HomeMy WebLinkAboutRR-18 Twana Way road repair and improvementsFrom: rrathvon@gmail.com <rrathvon@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2023 11:59 AM
To: chief@qfr2.org; 'Phil Cecere' <PCecere@co.jefferson.wa.us>
Subject: RE: Twana Way road repair and improvements
My apologies – attached is the referenced email.
R
From: rrathvon@gmail.com <rrathvon@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2023 12:48 PM
To: 'chief@qfr2.org' <chief@qfr2.org>; 'Phil Cecere' <PCecere@co.jefferson.wa.us>
Subject: RE: Twana Way road repair and improvements
Tim and Phil,
Tim, thank you for the heads up.
I wanted to provide some clarification for yours and Phil’s benefit relating to what now appears to
have become an elevated issue among the Twana Way neighbors.
The residents of Twana Way are involved in a discussion relating to the maintenance and
improvement of Twana Way. At issue is what level of repairs and maintenance should be done.
I invited all of Twana Way neighbors to a meeting on October 15 to discuss possible improvements
centered primarily around what should be done to allow for reasonable access for fire/emergency
vehicles, and service vehicles (such as propane and appliance delivery, etc.). While we got replies
from all 8 neighbors, only 4 owners were able to attend. Included in this discussion were various
levels of scope and cost based on 2 different road proposals by local road contractors, which served
as examples of the range of improvements to consider. I am happy to provide you a copy of these
materials if you wish.
An action item was to follow up with the Quilcene Fire District as to what is recommended so as to
provide reasonable level of emergency services.
One of the neighbors that attended this meeting contacted who they represented as a member of
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the “Quilcene Fire & Rescue”. They met with this individual, and provided to all Twana Way
neighbors an email summary including their rendition of the Quilcene Fire & Rescue’s comments.
To ensure transparent, open and accurate communication among all neighbors, I contacted the Fire
Chief to set a meeting with the Fire Chief to walk the road. I also informed and invited all neighbors
to attend this meeting if they wished to. This meeting was set for tomorrow, November 21.
Phil, now that you are involved, I am hoping we can still meet with you. If tomorrow does not work
for you, I understand, and I will need to let others know. Also, if tomorrow does not work, would
you able to meet next Monday, November 27?
I sincerely appreciate your Department’s concern and involvement.
Thank you.
Best regards,
Rich
From: chief@qfr2.org <chief@qfr2.org>
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2023 10:53 AM
To: rrathvon@gmail.com
Cc: Phil Cecere <PCecere@co.jefferson.wa.us>
Subject: RE: Twana Way road repair and improvements
Good Morning Sir,
Can you call me about this proposed . We have received some concerns about this proposal and feel
you need to contact the County Fire Marshal Phil Cecre who has better legal information about the
road standards . Phil is cc to this email.
Tim McKern
Fire Chief
Quilcene Fire Rescue
70 Herbert Street
Quilcene, WA 98376
Chief@qfr2.org
(O)360-765-3333
Cell 360-463-2767
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From: rrathvon@gmail.com <rrathvon@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2023 11:47 AM
To: 'Chief' <chief@qfr2.org>
Subject: RE: Twana Way road repair and improvements
Tim,
Thanks for the chat today.
Meeting on Tuesday, 11/21 at ~9:45 am would work, if that works for you.
Just let me know.
Thx.
Best regards,
Rich
From: Chief <chief@qfr2.org>
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 11:40 AM
To: Rrathvon <rrathvon@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Twana Way road repair and improvements
My number below and anytime after 7 am. I am at work at 7
Tim McKern
Fire Chief QFR
Chief@QFR2.org
(360) 463-2767
On Oct 27, 2023 at 7:55 AM, <Rrathvon> wrote:
Sure.
Just let me know what time works best for you, and the best number to reach you on.
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Thx.
R
From: Chief <chief@qfr2.org>
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 10:53 AM
To: Rrathvon <rrathvon@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Twana Way road repair and improvements
Off today how about Monday morning ?
Tim McKern
Fire Chief QFR
Chief@QFR2.org
(360) 463-2767
On Oct 27, 2023 at 7:51 AM, <Rrathvon> wrote:
Tim,
Would you be available for a quick call today early afternoon?
R
From: chief@qfr2.org <chief@qfr2.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 2:07 PM
To: rrathvon@gmail.com
Cc: Nick Singleton <nsingleton@qfr2.org>
Subject: RE: Twana Way road repair and improvements
Sounds Good
Tim McKern
Fire Chief
Quilcene Fire Rescue
70 Herbert Street
Quilcene, WA 98376
Chief@qfr2.org
(O)360-765-3333
Cell 360-463-2767
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From: rrathvon@gmail.com <rrathvon@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 11:07 AM
To: chief@qfr2.org
Cc: 'Nick Singleton' <nsingleton@qfr2.org>
Subject: RE: Twana Way road repair and improvements
How about 11:30 am?
R
From: chief@qfr2.org <chief@qfr2.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 2:02 PM
To: rrathvon@gmail.com
Cc: Nick Singleton <nsingleton@qfr2.org>
Subject: RE: Twana Way road repair and improvements
Yes it will .. In the morning or when?
Tim McKern
Fire Chief
Quilcene Fire Rescue
70 Herbert Street
Quilcene, WA 98376
Chief@qfr2.org
(O)360-765-3333
Cell 360-463-2767
From: rrathvon@gmail.com <rrathvon@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 11:01 AM
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To: chief@qfr2.org
Cc: DistrictSecretary@qfr2.org
Subject: RE: Twana Way road repair and improvements
Tim,
Would November 21 work for you?
Regards,
R
From: rrathvon@gmail.com <rrathvon@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2023 4:58 PM
To: 'chief@qfr2.org' <chief@qfr2.org>
Cc: 'DistrictSecretary@qfr2.org' <DistrictSecretary@qfr2.org>
Subject: RE: Twana Way road repair and improvements
Tim,
Working through logistics and scheduling issues – it may be early next week when I get back
to you.
Thx
Regards,
R
From: rrathvon@gmail.com <rrathvon@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2023 11:58 AM
To: 'chief@qfr2.org' <chief@qfr2.org>
Cc: 'DistrictSecretary@qfr2.org' <DistrictSecretary@qfr2.org>
Subject: RE: Twana Way road repair and improvements
Thanks for your quick response. Let me check schedules and I’ll get back to you.
Regards,
R
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From: chief@qfr2.org <chief@qfr2.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2023 11:55 AM
To: rrathvon@gmail.com
Cc: DistrictSecretary@qfr2.org
Subject: RE: Twana Way road repair and improvements
Sounds good . When is a good time .. I work Monday – Thursday and I am about two weeks our
on appointments. When were you thinking?
Tim McKern
Fire Chief
Quilcene Fire Rescue
70 Herbert Street
Quilcene, WA 98376
Chief@qfr2.org
(O)360-765-3333
Cell 360-463-2767
From: rrathvon@gmail.com <rrathvon@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2023 8:44 AM
To: chief@QFR2.org
Cc: karlvonbargen@yahoo.com; 'Marilyn Walker' <ptatermwwalker@gmail.com>
Subject: Twana Way road repair and improvements
Chief,
I talked with Bob in your office and he suggested that I email you.
I, and the others on this email, are three of the property owners on Twana Way, which is a
private road off of Toandoes Road.
All of the owners along Twana Way are becoming engaged in discussions concerning
improvements/repairs of the road. One of the key areas of concern is emergency vehicle
access and response time.
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While we are generally familiar with the Fire District’s recommended standards (e.g., 20 foot
width with a 12-foot wide surface, etc.), we wanted to see if you’re willing to walk the road
with us at some point in the near future so that we can get your specific input / suggestions.
We believe that this would be good information to include in our neighborhood discussions.
Thank you.
Regards,
Rich
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From: John DiMaggio <dimaggiojohn17@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 10:38 PM
To: shawnbennett@yahoo.com; Nils Glomset <bglomset@comcast.net>; deedeehawley@yahoo.com;
adleorocks@yahoo.com; shawley11@gemail.com; Paul Kooiman <paul@kooimanphoto.com>;
starphanie@gmail.com; mogul33@msn.com; karlvonbargen@yahoo.com; ptatermwwalker@gmail.com;
Richard Rathvon <rrathvon@gmail.com>
Subject: Twana Way Emergency Vehicle Access
Hi neighbors,
This email is to share the information we received with regard to emergency vehicle access on Twana
Way. As you are aware, there has been a big push to widen and “improve” Twana Way primarily for this
reason. In order to fully understand the challenges, we contacted Quilcene Fire & Rescue and asked
them to evaluate the road. This occurred yesterday afternoon.
In summary, the road as it stands is accessible for emergency vehicles including their larger fire
truck. Because our situation is not rare, Quilcene Fire & Rescue purchases vehicles that can navigate
rural roads.
According to Quilcene Fire & Rescue, the way to shave minutes for emergency response is to create a
helicopter landing pad at the bottom of the hill. This is the only solution for improved medical response
and would allow residents to get the best care. There are a number of neighborhoods in Quilcene that
have landing pads. Fortunately, Rich, who has been the biggest proponent of improving emergency
access, has the necessary land near the water for the landing pad. It would be great if Rich would be
willing to help the neighborhood obtain this solution.
Here is the list of Quilcene Fire & Rescue comments:
1. The only way to improve medical response would be via helicopter.
2. The road currently supports trucks up to 30,000 pounds.
3. The limitations of access result from the steep and winding nature of the road, two factors that
cannot be remediated.
4. Response time is most dependent upon the weather conditions and experience of the
driver. Quilcene Fire & Rescue has drivers very experienced with navigating rural roads.
5. The problem is not getting vehicles down the road, it is getting the vehicles back up.
6. It would be good to address the 3 or 4 larger ruts, such as the one on our easement across from
the rock barrier. He suggested we use 4 inch “clean” rock, 2-inch rock and ¾ minus for repairs.
He also suggested culverts could help.
7. It would be good to get a GeoTek analysis of the road stability. In his estimation the road
appears stable but we would need an expert opinion. As a note, we did have a GeoTek analysis
done for our property and the analysis noted that there is significant instability in this area that
varies plot by plot.
8. Regardless of the weather conditions, emergency response will always occur, even during a
heavy snow. If necessary, they will send people on foot with stretchers and for fire response
they can use brush trucks or extended hoses.
9. The rocks placed by our slope are very helpful in providing a line of demarcation, helping drivers
clearly see the side of the road. He suggested reflectors be placed every 20 feet on the rocks as
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that would also increase visibility. (We should consider adding additional rocks with reflectors
on other precarious parts of Twana Way.)
10. He has often encountered neighborhoods that have no Road Maintenance Agreement and this
makes road issues very complicated as 100% of landowners have to agree with any changes.
If these discussions continue, Michelle and I would appreciate an environmental impact report. A high
priority needs to be given to the fact that we live in a designated wilderness area. Supporting the many
years of effort and the significant resources invested to protect the Dabob area is of great importance as
this is a fragile and important environment.
For transparency we are forwarding communications regarding the road improvement proposals.
Thanks for your time and we hope this helps inform the conversation.
John and Michelle
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