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HomeMy WebLinkAboutZoom closed captioning file 012626WEBVTT 00:00:44.000 --> 00:00:48.000 Meeting: Tell them about saving them a seat. 00:00:55.000 --> 00:00:57.000 Meeting: Interesting. 00:00:57.000 --> 00:00:59.000 Meeting: Cassie! 00:27:13.000 --> 00:27:18.000 Meeting: Hey, on your Zoom settings, can you try? 00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:47.000 Meeting: Let's see if I can bring, uh, Cindy Jane over to… and then pass the report, maybe? Yeah, it'll let you… 00:27:47.000 --> 00:27:51.000 Meeting: And then I'll be 2, 1, according to… 00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:53.000 Meeting: Thank you. 00:28:13.000 --> 00:28:16.000 Meeting: All right. 00:28:23.000 --> 00:28:25.000 Meeting: Okay. 00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:28.000 Meeting: Okay. 00:28:28.000 --> 00:28:32.000 Meeting: Sorry, is it in our tech have done? Okay. Great. 00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:47.000 Meeting: Good evening, everyone. I'm Greg Brotherton, the Chair of the County, uh, Board of County Commissioners, and I will, uh, call this meeting of the, of the Board of County Commissioners to Porter, and could I see a show of hands how many task force members we have with us today? 00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:56.000 Meeting: Uh, we don't have a forum having 20 people on that… on that group, but it's, uh, it's not necessary to call that group to order, it's not… 00:28:57.000 --> 00:29:06.000 Meeting: Um, it's not bound by OPMA, and this is really a presentation to hear, kind of, the work of that group and the further staff work after that. 00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:12.000 Meeting: So, we will get going. I'll just review our agenda really quick, and then I'll turn it over to Al Cairns. 00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:29.000 Meeting: We're going to have a workshop for, uh, kind of showing the process up to here and where we are, uh, and then there will be time for questions and answers, which will be the opportunity for public comment, and Al will talk about the cadence of those questions. We've got. 00:29:29.000 --> 00:29:40.000 Meeting: way too many slides. He just told me 60 slides, so we want to let him move through the presentation, and take preset times to consider questions and comments. 00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:49.000 Meeting: And then at the end, we'll do a little bit of contemplation of next steps and closing remarks, and adjourn and get everyone out of here by 8pm time. 00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:56.000 Meeting: Um, with that, we'll pass it over to Alex. Thanks, everyone, for coming out tonight. Great show. 00:29:56.000 --> 00:30:03.000 Meeting: Um, so we're gonna cover tonight, uh, the task force itself. It's kind of a unique body that served us since. 00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:09.000 Meeting: Uh, the rate of 2022, so, uh, we take a… 00:30:09.000 --> 00:30:14.000 Meeting: Taking a, uh, a long process here to make sure we covered everything, and uh… 00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:20.000 Meeting: I'd like to express my appreciation for the task force members for coming along for such a long ride with us. 00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:28.000 Meeting: Uh, we'll cover also what we… what we need in a new facility, how we picked a new location, uh, what the new facility will have. 00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:31.000 Meeting: Um, and who's gonna pay for it? 00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:37.000 Meeting: And we'll also discuss when it would move, the next steps for that move. 00:30:38.000 --> 00:30:42.000 Meeting: Provide ample opportunity for public feedback and questions and answers. 00:30:43.000 --> 00:30:48.000 Meeting: So, uh, just a pop quiz since we've got y'all here. Um, can anybody tell us. 00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:53.000 Meeting: How much of your taxes goes towards paying for the salary services? 00:30:54.000 --> 00:31:01.000 Meeting: Someone say zero? That's it. That's exactly right. So, something to keep in mind as we move forward here. 00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:07.000 Meeting: Um, so the, uh, Solid Waste Facilities Task Force, this was a 20-member. 00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:17.000 Meeting: panel that was appointed by the Board of County Commissioners. Um, kind of unique, uh, not really an advisory board so much as working jointly with staff and a consultant. 00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:20.000 Meeting: Shoulder to shoulder through the entire process. 00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:31.000 Meeting: Um, this was a pretty good cross-section of subject matter expertise that staff really relied on through the entire process. As you can see, we. 00:31:31.000 --> 00:31:39.000 Meeting: Try to imagine every possible input and subject matter area that was going to be needed. 00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:43.000 Meeting: Helping us move along to this point. 00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:51.000 Meeting: So, the public meetings and surveys are here. You can see the VOCC formed, uh, well, first we met with the. 00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:54.000 Meeting: So… 00:31:54.000 --> 00:31:56.000 Meeting: So, yeah. 00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:05.000 Meeting: Are you still on my phone? 00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:09.000 Meeting: So there you go. 00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:11.000 Meeting: So, pretty cool. 00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:16.000 Meeting: You need to switch. 00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:39.000 Meeting: I am, but he's a panelist on my Zoom Meeting, I'm sharing the Zoom Meeting. 00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:42.000 Meeting: There we go. 00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:54.000 Meeting: Mrs. Bonnie, though. 00:32:56.000 --> 00:33:00.000 Meeting: I know, I don't know. 00:33:01.000 --> 00:33:03.000 Meeting: Well, let me try the camera. 00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:20.000 Meeting: Let's slow down the list of the desktop. 00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:25.000 Meeting: Are you on Zoom, or something? 00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:44.000 Meeting: Okay. 00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:47.000 Meeting: This is much better than… 00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:15.000 Meeting: the camera. 00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:18.000 Meeting: Taking a bandwidth presentation. 00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:27.000 Meeting: One moment, folks. There you have to go down. 00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:39.000 Meeting: I need you over here. We need to switch dogs. What if, uh, what if I simply give you… 00:34:39.000 --> 00:34:45.000 Meeting: You can try it. Not me. 00:34:52.000 --> 00:35:01.000 Meeting: Does anyone remember actual slides? The little square things that we put in the carousel? 00:35:03.000 --> 00:35:08.000 Meeting: Can I stop for you, please? 00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:12.000 Meeting: Yeah. 00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:42.000 Meeting: It's my friend. 00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:44.000 Meeting: Okay. 00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:49.000 Meeting: Bye. 00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:54.000 Meeting: Okay, real screen. 00:36:04.000 --> 00:36:08.000 Meeting: If he doesn't know it yet, Greg is our IT guy. 00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:10.000 Meeting: It's real. 00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:22.000 Meeting: Here's the replay. 00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:25.000 Meeting: Do you… 00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:29.000 Meeting: Now we need to apply for the Zoom setting. 00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:32.000 Meeting: No, we're not. I don't remember. 00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:46.000 Meeting: Thanks. 00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:49.000 Meeting: Okay. 00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:04.000 Meeting: Two screens. 00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:17.000 Meeting: Interesting news. 00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:21.000 Meeting: God, please. 00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:33.000 Meeting: important? 00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:48.000 Meeting: It's start recording again. 00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:53.000 Meeting: Custom requirements. 00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:57.000 Meeting: So… 00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:06.000 Meeting: Yep, that's it. We're going. So, here's… oh, geez. Okay, so here's the, um… 00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:09.000 Meeting: Process that we followed, um… 00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:15.000 Meeting: The Workshop at the BoCC on the need of a task force back in January 2, the task force was born. 00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:21.000 Meeting: Um, February of that year, um, we've had 7 10 Supporting meetings on the way. 00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:32.000 Meeting: stop to check in with the BOCC twice. Um, we've also done a months-long community survey that was hugely informative to our process. 00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:38.000 Meeting: And then again, a customer survey that we did at the transfer station to try to understand, uh, who are our customers. 00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:43.000 Meeting: were, um, better. That was also, um, really. 00:38:43.000 --> 00:38:47.000 Meeting: Helpful in our process, and that leads up to tonight. 00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:57.000 Meeting: Um, we've tried to do our best with public outreach. If you just received notice about this meeting or the process for the first time. 00:38:57.000 --> 00:39:05.000 Meeting: Please tell us how we can reach you better. We've really tried hard to make this public process be pretty robust. 00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:22.000 Meeting: And all of the meeting materials, the agendas, recordings can all be found at JeffersoncountySolidwaste.com. Just scroll down to the bottom of the homepage and click on Learn More there for a planning project. 00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:29.000 Meeting: You'll find all of the information on the website. We've posted it after each meeting and each workshop with POCC. 00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:33.000 Meeting: So, why do we need a new transportation? 00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:40.000 Meeting: He's 33 years old, um, and, um… 00:39:41.000 --> 00:39:50.000 Meeting: There in the photo, you can see the knuckle broom crane, um, with the cylinder head broken on that. We've become really good at replacing those cylinders. 00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:56.000 Meeting: Um, the machine's really not designed for the capacity that we're demanding of it. 00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:05.000 Meeting: Uh, in 2022, we completed the first major capital project at the facility. 00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:10.000 Meeting: Um, it's a $300,000 project. We replaced the pit scales, the scales that. 00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:15.000 Meeting: Um, that the trailers sit on when we load them, so we make sure that we're not overweight. 00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:20.000 Meeting: Um, the project was completed, uh, 2 weeks early and under budget. 00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:28.000 Meeting: But we've still got about a little more than $4 million worth of capital repairs to make to keep the facility going. 00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:37.000 Meeting: Um, this year we'll be looking at the customer scale replacement. Um, we're looking at about just over a million dollars for that. 00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:42.000 Meeting: Um, unlikely this year, but certainly next year we'll want to replace the Napa Broom. 00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:52.000 Meeting: Um, do some major modifications to the tipping for our building as well. So we've got substantial capital repairs and maintenance to do to get us to. 00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:55.000 Meeting: a new facility. 00:40:56.000 --> 00:41:01.000 Meeting: Um, and it's too small. Um, yeah, we definitely know that when we're… 00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:07.000 Meeting: You know, we've got 500 customer count days, that's more than a customer a minute. 00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:14.000 Meeting: Um, for the operation, so we really feel it. Uh, when we hit the… and of course that coincides with the warm season, so… 00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:19.000 Meeting: Not only are the scale computers melting, but so are our staff. 00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:33.000 Meeting: But just to make sure we really knew all the details of how underperforming the facility was, we used 16 performance criteria to develop a report card of the facility. 00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:40.000 Meeting: And we scored 43 out of a possible 80 points, or a D- at a community college or failing grade at Yale. 00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:47.000 Meeting: Um, so the question was, should we rebuild? There's a couple of things to consider. Next slide, please. 00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:54.000 Meeting: So, one is the replacement cost. In 22, we developed a replacement. 00:41:54.000 --> 00:42:00.000 Meeting: Cost estimate. This is exclusive of utilities, so just so… just for the, uh… 00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:05.000 Meeting: equipment and the buildings was a little more than $8 million. Obviously, we've gone through a. 00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:10.000 Meeting: The period of, you know, significant increase in cost for. 00:42:11.000 --> 00:42:18.000 Meeting: types of materials needed for that facility, so we're probably… probably closing in on $10 million just to replace what we have now. 00:42:19.000 --> 00:42:28.000 Meeting: Um, and we're designing for a 40-year service horizon. An investment of this scale, we want to make sure that we've got 4 decades of service ahead of us. 00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:42.000 Meeting: And in terms of what size of facility we need, um, we asked the task force and through the community service what other features people would want to see at a new transfer station. 00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:50.000 Meeting: Um, realistically, just for the ancillary features, not including managing solid waste, we're looking at 22 acres. 00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:55.000 Meeting: So we decided to, um, to set a minimum standard of 20 acres. 00:42:55.000 --> 00:43:07.000 Meeting: So, this is the current property. As you can see, there's a lot of it that's encumbered with other leased areas, closed landfill, animal shelter. 00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:13.000 Meeting: Um, I mean, at the upper right-hand corner is the entrance and exit off of Jacob Miller Road. 00:43:13.000 --> 00:43:21.000 Meeting: We're bounded on the north by a property line, private property to the north, and then a wetland that's not delineated to the south. 00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:27.000 Meeting: There's another, uh, undelineated wetland, um, in that wooded area as well. 00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:33.000 Meeting: Steep slope back there, too, so not… not ideal for putting a new transfer station. 00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:42.000 Meeting: Um, we've got the recycling center just came under an operating agreement for the next 10 years, and then moving past that, return to Earth. 00:43:43.000 --> 00:43:48.000 Meeting: Um, is in a 3-year lease agreement for that 2.5 acres. So. 00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:58.000 Meeting: And then, of course, the Port Townsend Biosolids facility is operating under a 20-year lease agreement on about 12 acres, so that really leaves us with 5 and a half. 00:43:58.000 --> 00:44:11.000 Meeting: So, between the current footprint for the transfer station, and then the unencumbered acreage there, we're way short of the acreage that we think we need to hit a full year service for that center. 00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:22.000 Meeting: Um, I'm sorry, Karen. The new road feature there, the only way to really make the transfer station get close to 30 years would be to create a loop. 00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:27.000 Meeting: through the facility, so either still entering on Jacob Road up to the north. 00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:35.000 Meeting: We're to the south off of Gun Club Road. It's a little more than a mile of road improvements and new road that would need to be put in. 00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:43.000 Meeting: And then, of course, it would bicep the least area, uh, with the Port Townsend Bile Solves facility. So, still not in… 00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:51.000 Meeting: And the real question is, where should it be? Should it be up north? 00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:57.000 Meeting: Um, you know, it's closer to Canada than it is to Brennan right now. 00:44:57.000 --> 00:45:02.000 Meeting: Um, or should we think about the population centrally? Um, which is, you know, if. 00:45:03.000 --> 00:45:10.000 Meeting: If everybody in East Jefferson County had an equal weight, we put them on a map, and you found the balance point there. 00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:13.000 Meeting: It would be basically this facility. 00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:18.000 Meeting: We're almost exactly at the eccentric population here. 00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:28.000 Meeting: So, the conclusion was, it's not a good investment. It's not going to get us 40 years, it's a lot of money to replace what's there, and it's really not what it should be. 00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:32.000 Meeting: Any questions? 00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:46.000 Meeting: Uh, Return to Earth is a startup business that's going to be doing… I'm sorry, um… 00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:53.000 Meeting: Since he's further away from the microphone, could you repeat the question so the people online can hear? Certainly. So the question was, what is return to Earth? 00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:58.000 Meeting: Um, it's a new business that's going to be doing curbside collection of food waste. 00:45:59.000 --> 00:46:02.000 Meeting: So it's kind of a micro-composting facility there. 00:46:03.000 --> 00:46:10.000 Meeting: You also asked about the biosopids operation. Well, that's the city's operation, that's ancillary to the water treatment. 00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:20.000 Meeting: So dewater biosolids are mixed with random debris, and that's what creates the complex. Since we're on the map, I've got a question for that lower left corner. It's gonna come up. 00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:23.000 Meeting: What is all that vacant space? 00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:26.000 Meeting: vacant space. Yeah, that sort of triangle. 00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:30.000 Meeting: There's… there's some slope there that's not… 00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:34.000 Meeting: You're conducive to show them here? 00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:39.000 Meeting: Thanks for the other questions. 00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:46.000 Meeting: Can the pit scale be repurposed to the new site? Yes. In fact, for… 00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:50.000 Meeting: The majority of the capital, um, replacement. 00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:55.000 Meeting: Um, projects, they'll… they'll mobilize with us through the new facility. 00:46:56.000 --> 00:47:03.000 Meeting: Um, the first one being the replacement customer scales. Um, they won't be, um… 00:47:03.000 --> 00:47:10.000 Meeting: They'll be above ground, so it makes mobilizing them with a new facility easier. Likewise, with the second project. 00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:16.000 Meeting: Um, that will require another excavator, a second excavator, both of them come with a studio. 00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:22.000 Meeting: I just have one other question. The trucks that leave the transfer station. 00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:28.000 Meeting: There are precious garbage. Look at that down 350 miles away. 00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:34.000 Meeting: They get on a train, though. That's right, they're translating Chehalis. 00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:43.000 Meeting: to train, and then… and then to click Attack to the regional landfill there, operated by, um, Republic. And then, once there. 00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:56.000 Meeting: pulled off the trains and put onto trucks for the last mile up the hill. And just point of order, for those folks joining us online, you can hit the raise hand button or star 9 if you'd like to ask a question now, or… 00:47:56.000 --> 00:48:01.000 Meeting: Or they can write it in the chat. I've opened up the chat box for them. 00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:11.000 Meeting: Yeah, I was just looking at the map, the county map out there, and it shows there's 152 acres out in that area. 00:48:11.000 --> 00:48:17.000 Meeting: Going clear over to George Road Park, that's what it goes to me. 00:48:18.000 --> 00:48:25.000 Meeting: The gentleman asked about, uh, additional county property that's the basis of this, so maybe you can speak to the equestrian park, and it's… 00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:30.000 Meeting: Original designation, too. Are you talking about not going to… Yeah, so it's… 00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:36.000 Meeting: That 80-acre parcel has, that's adjacent to this one, has a very unique zoning overload. 00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:43.000 Meeting: It's a central public facility, solid waste. The only other such, um, tight zone and overlay is the airport. 00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:52.000 Meeting: Um, and so that zoning would have to change if we decided that the new facility wouldn't be booked. 00:48:52.000 --> 00:49:01.000 Meeting: So it was in anticipation, it was a requirement of the Growth Management Act to designate future sites for hard-to-situate industrial parts. 00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:11.000 Meeting: Of that nature. So… and that… that had come under a 10-year lease with the Jefferson Equestrian Association, which dissolved 10 years later. 00:49:11.000 --> 00:49:14.000 Meeting: So that agreement is all real. 00:49:14.000 --> 00:49:16.000 Meeting: So it's unencumbered by any kind of repeat. 00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:25.000 Meeting: Get the hand raised. Alright, well, we will bring the folks over online who have a question, and you can. 00:49:25.000 --> 00:49:28.000 Meeting: Unmute yourself and ask a question. 00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:32.000 Meeting: Yep. 00:49:33.000 --> 00:49:36.000 Meeting: Can you speak? We should be able to hear you, Lisa. 00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:40.000 Lisa C: Oh, hi there, um, can you hear me okay? 00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:44.000 Lisa C: Hello? 00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:47.000 Lisa C: Yeah, can you hear me? 00:49:49.000 --> 00:49:53.000 Lisa C: I I'm speaking but I don't know if you can hear me. 00:49:54.000 --> 00:49:56.000 Meeting: Question? 00:49:57.000 --> 00:50:00.000 Lisa C: I. 00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:04.000 Lisa C: Yeah, I'm trying to talk, but I can't tell if you can hear me. 00:50:04.000 --> 00:50:11.000 Meeting: Yeah, no, we can… we can hear you, Lisa. We just texted you that we can hear you as well. Go ahead. 00:50:10.000 --> 00:50:18.000 Lisa C: Oh, good, sorry, yeah, just waiting to hear you back. Um, yeah, uh, you know, I haven't been following this recently so much, but in the past, being on the. 00:50:18.000 --> 00:50:32.000 Lisa C: Solid Waste Advisory Committee, and then for a while in the task force, I did have a question about the unmapped wetlands, just because my sense is that if there was an extra lane in the current road. 00:50:32.000 --> 00:50:44.000 Lisa C: that would have solved… that would solve a lot of the congestion problems, and since the wetland is unmapped, I'm wondering what level of certainty we have that there couldn't be another lane installed. 00:50:47.000 --> 00:50:51.000 Meeting: Uh, because there's water there 6 months a year? 00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:58.000 Lisa C: So literally, when you walk to the side of the road, you're, you're wearing boots and, and in water. 00:50:58.000 --> 00:51:01.000 Meeting: About 10 feet off of the edge of the river. 00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:03.000 Lisa C: Okay, on both sides. 00:51:03.000 --> 00:51:07.000 Meeting: Uh, no, to the north is private property. 00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:11.000 Lisa C: Of, of the current road, okay. 00:51:11.000 --> 00:51:17.000 Lisa C: So, okay, so you feel quite confident there's no way to put in an extra lane. 00:51:11.000 --> 00:51:13.000 Meeting: Correct. 00:51:17.000 --> 00:51:23.000 Meeting: We're certain of it. You couldn't put a new… another name in until you get to… 00:51:23.000 --> 00:51:29.000 Meeting: Right in front of the scale, so that's something that we're considering when we do the scale replacement project. 00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:31.000 Lisa C: Okay. 00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:34.000 Meeting: But it wouldn't… it wouldn't help a great deal with the wait times. 00:51:34.000 --> 00:51:39.000 Lisa C: Yeah, you mean if it was just a partial road, okay, thanks for answering my question. 00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:37.000 Meeting: Okay. 00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:53.000 Meeting: Certainly. Um, yeah, and there's another question. I'll read it out loud. Will some sort of recycling center continue to be available in the greater Port Townsend area of particular concern are toxic, hazardous disposable items? 00:51:53.000 --> 00:51:58.000 Meeting: Such as antifreeze, used motor oil, fluorescent tubes, and the like. Yes. 00:51:59.000 --> 00:52:15.000 Meeting: Yeah, you're gonna get to those details a little bit more, or… No, no plans. Okay, and that's… so the recycling center, maybe explain the new lease. You talked about the 10-year contract that was signed recently. That's right. So, as part of our recycling modernization efforts. 00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:21.000 Meeting: Um, the second step, after the level of service ordinance was adopted. 00:52:21.000 --> 00:52:29.000 Meeting: was to come under an operating agreement, Waste Connections, um, 10-year operating agreement for that facility. 00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:35.000 Meeting: So, and that… that obligates waste connections to all capital repairs and maintenance. 00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:41.000 Meeting: I'm sorry, for the existing facility, or the facility? For the existing facility, right. 00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:48.000 Meeting: Another question online, can you repeat what excludes the southwest corner of the map? 00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:50.000 Meeting: Uh, Steve Slope. 00:52:53.000 --> 00:52:55.000 Meeting: And I would say access. 00:52:58.000 --> 00:53:02.000 Meeting: Is that fluorescent bulbs gonna continue? 00:53:02.000 --> 00:53:08.000 Meeting: We don't know yet. We're waiting for the Department of Ecology to fix it. 00:53:08.000 --> 00:53:10.000 Meeting: Really big mess. 00:53:11.000 --> 00:53:18.000 Meeting: Shelly, and then back to you. Um, in the late 80s, I worked at a transfer station in front of the jam. 00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:24.000 Meeting: And at that point in time, there was some talk about doing incineration. 00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:33.000 Meeting: Um, there were places that were actually buying trash, and it was making its own energy, and they were actually paying people in the town. 00:53:33.000 --> 00:53:46.000 Meeting: to bring them their trash. They were buying trash from other towns. Um, I've done a little bit of research, and there still are very safe, very, um, ecological-friendly. 00:53:46.000 --> 00:53:51.000 Meeting: uh, incineration systems. Is there a reason we haven't considered an alternative solution? 00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:57.000 Meeting: Yes, because we talked to colleagues at Spokane County, which has the state's only. 00:53:57.000 --> 00:54:01.000 Meeting: Waste to energy plant. They begged us not to think about it. 00:54:01.000 --> 00:54:08.000 Meeting: For what reasons? Um, well, it creates toxic ash, which still needs to be landfilled at a special landfill. 00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:13.000 Meeting: Uh, at an exorbitant rate. Um, and their fees aren't… 00:54:13.000 --> 00:54:18.000 Meeting: Um, they expected much lower fees than they have the cheat available. 00:54:18.000 --> 00:54:27.000 Meeting: But is that by design, or is that… I mean, it seems there are lots of other places that are doing it, and one person telling you not to do it. 00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:34.000 Meeting: doesn't seem like adequate information to not at least consider it. And then, in the 80s. 00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:37.000 Meeting: It was, oh, we can't have… 00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:43.000 Meeting: all of those emissions going into our air, even though, uh, that was proven not to be a problem. 00:54:43.000 --> 00:54:51.000 Meeting: Um, and in what has been 30 years since, it's gotten much better on top of what it was already. 00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:58.000 Meeting: Well, the reason that we… that we only asked one facility was because it's the only one in the state. 00:55:01.000 --> 00:55:04.000 Meeting: So, I mean, that's not a lot of resource to draw upon. 00:55:05.000 --> 00:55:12.000 Meeting: There's none in the Pacific Northwest, there's not in the… The range of this study. 00:55:12.000 --> 00:55:14.000 Meeting: Stand outside, I just want to see. 00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:21.000 Meeting: Yeah, sign in the back, and we have another online question. Yeah, so it sounds like some… 00:55:21.000 --> 00:55:27.000 Meeting: Services, but can you explain? 00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:33.000 Meeting: What will still be available at this specific month? Do you receive a question? 00:55:34.000 --> 00:55:46.000 Meeting: Sure. Likely only yard debris. Sorry, repeat the question first. Oh, I'm sorry. The question was what services will stay here, and which will move to the new facility? Likely only. 00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:52.000 Meeting: Um, yard debris. There's no recycle won't be there? 00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:58.000 Meeting: Well, recycling is going behind the scales now, so now we're probably over. 00:55:58.000 --> 00:56:08.000 Meeting: No. The reason for that is that for a population as small as ours to have these multiple facilities and access points, we can't afford them. 00:56:08.000 --> 00:56:16.000 Meeting: I thought you just said you had a 10-year contract from that facility. That's for the operation of that, for the materials that are delivered there. 00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:19.000 Meeting: From curbside service. 00:56:19.000 --> 00:56:21.000 Meeting: So, not as a drop buffer. 00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:24.000 Meeting: There will be a drop-off area. 00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:27.000 Meeting: At the future site, but… 00:56:27.000 --> 00:56:31.000 Meeting: Uh, no, no, no, it's not, not in the plan, so… 00:56:31.000 --> 00:56:36.000 Meeting: No, this is the push for curbside service. 00:56:37.000 --> 00:56:42.000 Meeting: We have a question online, and we'll come back. 00:56:42.000 --> 00:56:47.000 Meeting: Can you keep the existing transfer place for small time dumpers? 00:56:47.000 --> 00:56:55.000 Meeting: Think about how much gasoline will we burn to drive 20 miles with the 10,000 folks who live in Fort Townsend. Highway 19 is already very busy. 00:56:56.000 --> 00:57:02.000 Meeting: That… so, this is part of the cognitive dissonance that we discovered in the customer survey there. 00:57:02.000 --> 00:57:08.000 Meeting: Um, 4,000 residents were the largest user group of the transfer station, as. 00:57:08.000 --> 00:57:14.000 Meeting: Minimum weight customer, so under 220 pounds, which we found remarkable because. 00:57:14.000 --> 00:57:23.000 Meeting: They have mandatory curbside service. So, some of those customers that we surveyed were bringing their mandatory curbside carts to the transfer station. 00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:28.000 Meeting: Um, and then being frustrated about the long wait times. 00:57:29.000 --> 00:57:32.000 Meeting: So we don't know quite what to do with that. 00:57:33.000 --> 00:57:43.000 Meeting: Um, it just doesn't seem to make any sense. So that that customer would then be paying twice for that service. First, it would be utility billing, or… 00:57:43.000 --> 00:57:52.000 Meeting: Actually, now to Waste Connections as part of the mandatory service in Fort Townsend, and then again at the transfer station. 00:57:52.000 --> 00:57:54.000 Meeting: As the minimum fee. 00:57:54.000 --> 00:57:59.000 Meeting: Um, so, and it was particularly concerning to us that minimum wage customers. 00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:04.000 Meeting: from Port Townsend, where our largest user group transfers structure. 00:58:05.000 --> 00:58:09.000 Meeting: So, and that informed a lot of our thinking about where to cycle. 00:58:09.000 --> 00:58:11.000 Meeting: Meeting away from cold cancer. 00:58:11.000 --> 00:58:20.000 Meeting: Let's go back to people that haven't asked questions. Oh, sorry. So, I haven't been involved in any of this, so this is all new. So, you're saying that in the new facility, there… 00:58:20.000 --> 00:58:30.000 Meeting: after this happens, there will be no voluntary drop-off recycle available in the county. So, what do I do with my recycle? No, I'm sorry, there will be recycling there. 00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:32.000 Meeting: We won't… we won't… 00:58:34.000 --> 00:58:37.000 Meeting: I'm not sure. I said that there won't be. 00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:39.000 Meeting: It's all gonna be curbside. 00:58:39.000 --> 00:58:44.000 Meeting: At the new facility, you will have, at the new facility. 00:58:44.000 --> 00:58:49.000 Meeting: You will have a suite of landfill diversion activities. 00:58:49.000 --> 00:59:01.000 Meeting: What does that mean? Does that mean, like, recycle, like, paper? Recycling, uh, refrigerators, uh, white goods, metal, a whole suite of services we provide now. 00:59:01.000 --> 00:59:07.000 Meeting: Correct. Yes, over the scam. Does that mean we'll pay for it. 00:59:08.000 --> 00:59:15.000 Meeting: Yes. Oh, well, that's a point you should… I mean, you should actually, like, that should be the first thing you said. Yes, we have recycle, and you will pay for it. 00:59:15.000 --> 00:59:27.000 Meeting: We haven't gotten to that slide. I know, that's… but we're asking these questions. You need to say that, because that's… that's, like, huge. That's huge. You're paying for it now, also, through your tipping fees. That's always cycle. 00:59:28.000 --> 00:59:34.000 Meeting: Is that not right? Let's not get back into back and forth. I mean, we want to get your comments, but let's just… 00:59:34.000 --> 00:59:43.000 Meeting: directly talk to Alan. So, to be clear, all the suites of services that we deliver, whether it's recycling for any of the types of materials. 00:59:44.000 --> 00:59:51.000 Meeting: Use motor oil, fluorescent tubes, household hazardous waste collection events. 00:59:51.000 --> 00:59:56.000 Meeting: Everything. It's all paid for from the tipping. Okay. Except for about… 00:59:56.000 --> 00:59:58.000 Meeting: 0.4%. 00:59:59.000 --> 01:00:03.000 Meeting: of our operating costs comes from a grant. 70% go down. 01:00:04.000 --> 01:00:15.000 Meeting: I'm sorry, how would the tipping fees go down? Well, because we're already paying for… we're paying for all the stuff that we now drop off for free through our tipping fees, if we're going to be having part of the tipping fees, the tipping fees will go down, right? 01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:19.000 Meeting: They'll be adjusted, for sure. Yeah. 01:00:21.000 --> 01:00:25.000 Meeting: Okay, let's, uh, take a few questions, Jim, and come back here. 01:00:25.000 --> 01:00:35.000 Meeting: Part of the conversation has been on limitations of the time facility. Uh, that could be in two ways, both through the line that was going to be, but also through. 01:00:35.000 --> 01:00:48.000 Meeting: the capacity to process the list at the facility. Um, it was my understanding that there was still room for processing more waste, and that, like, issues were presented as the line showing the limitation, so… 01:00:49.000 --> 01:00:54.000 Meeting: Is there a limit on processing waste at the current facility, or is it really just the one? 01:00:54.000 --> 01:00:59.000 Meeting: Dealing with how much longer do you have before you hit? 01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:06.000 Meeting: Um, well, it's an interesting question. So the question was about, uh, capacity to manage. 01:01:06.000 --> 01:01:16.000 Meeting: both the, um, customer count and the material type. So, but the facility was designed to do… we're running about 54%. 01:01:16.000 --> 01:01:22.000 Meeting: over the engineer's design capacity for the facility. We've gotten there a number of different ways. 01:01:22.000 --> 01:01:29.000 Meeting: One is that we've got excellent staff that can manage it really efficiently. The other is that a temporary wall that was built. 01:01:29.000 --> 01:01:38.000 Meeting: Um, when the facility was built to manage for downtime on the… on the tipping floor, we're now using that every day, and we… 01:01:39.000 --> 01:01:46.000 Meeting: divert most of our construction and demolition debris there. Then we purchased an excavator to manage that waste. 01:01:46.000 --> 01:01:49.000 Meeting: Um, it's really hard to make weight. 01:01:49.000 --> 01:01:56.000 Meeting: As we call it, so by contract, we have to… our monthly average has to be 26 tons. 01:01:56.000 --> 01:02:03.000 Meeting: per container shipping out. Um, some months we just went by, last month was 26.1 tons. 01:02:03.000 --> 01:02:13.000 Meeting: Um, we run under that for too long, then the long-haul contractor may insist on opening the contract. We don't want that, because we've got a really good contract. 01:02:13.000 --> 01:02:19.000 Meeting: relative to other counties. So, it takes a lot of effort to get to that 26 times. 01:02:19.000 --> 01:02:25.000 Meeting: Um, where capacity would be felt would be in rate times. 01:02:26.000 --> 01:02:34.000 Meeting: And us just needing more time between pushes on the floor, um, and movement of the construction and demolition degree. 01:02:35.000 --> 01:02:39.000 Meeting: So, because, I mean, we've way exceeded what the engineer said we could do it. 01:02:40.000 --> 01:02:44.000 Meeting: So now… now we're up against just the cumulative. 01:02:44.000 --> 01:02:51.000 Meeting: in order for us to keep processing the material, making room for it. We have a just-in-time kind of arrangement with the trailers. 01:02:51.000 --> 01:03:01.000 Meeting: Where 4 of them might be on the road at any time, and we bumped up against that a little bit, too, where we're waiting for something to come into the facilities. 01:03:01.000 --> 01:03:04.000 Meeting: Before we can start happening. That's where. 01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:08.000 Meeting: Alita in the back? 01:03:08.000 --> 01:03:10.000 Meeting: Okay. 01:03:12.000 --> 01:03:23.000 Meeting: So, when I think about, like, the whole county, right, um, and it might help if there's a map, I got it late, but I don't know… 01:03:23.000 --> 01:03:31.000 Meeting: when I think about the most populous… most populated areas of the County of Beacon, or Townsend, and… 01:03:31.000 --> 01:03:34.000 Meeting: have booked. And, um… 01:03:35.000 --> 01:03:40.000 Meeting: And that… and then I think of the proximity of the current transfer station. 01:03:40.000 --> 01:03:45.000 Meeting: Um, to the most populated areas of the county. 01:03:45.000 --> 01:03:50.000 Meeting: And so, in my mind, it still is computing that. 01:03:50.000 --> 01:03:55.000 Meeting: The location that we have, which makes the most sense for that population. 01:03:55.000 --> 01:03:59.000 Meeting: But if I were to see a map, um… 01:03:59.000 --> 01:04:02.000 Meeting: I guess I would really like to hear or see. 01:04:03.000 --> 01:04:12.000 Meeting: Or hear from folks in greater county, like in Brennan and, for example, Brennan's only how far were their driving times. 01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:20.000 Meeting: Um, that's what I'm hearing is they're trying to consider… 01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:28.000 Meeting: Um, and so then my second comment is just that thinking about, um. 01:04:28.000 --> 01:04:34.000 Meeting: The driving times to the same facility. 01:04:34.000 --> 01:04:41.000 Meeting: Um, especially for the garbage trucks, that just seems like the big wear and tear on those trucks. 01:04:41.000 --> 01:04:46.000 Meeting: In the dangerous truck for a very full trunk of garbage. 01:04:46.000 --> 01:04:54.000 Meeting: So, nice. You want to restate that in there, maybe that you want to get back into the slides, because I think some of these people are getting into stuff conference. 01:04:54.000 --> 01:05:01.000 Meeting: Exactly. Yep. Um, so the question was twofold. It was about proximity to population densities. 01:05:01.000 --> 01:05:07.000 Meeting: Um, and servicing those communities. And then the other was a stated concern about. 01:05:07.000 --> 01:05:13.000 Meeting: Um, additional trips with the garbage trucks, and we absolutely will address that. 01:05:13.000 --> 01:05:28.000 Meeting: Uh, there's one follow-up question online, and then we'll move on. Audio is occasionally difficult to follow, sorry. Um, the lease recycling area has just received a new 10-year lease. Will the public be able to drop the items already mentioned in the. 01:05:28.000 --> 01:05:37.000 Meeting: a prior text. So, you know, reiterate where people will be able to drop off recycling in the short and longer term. The same facility. 01:05:37.000 --> 01:05:41.000 Meeting: Um, but on the other side of the scale. 01:05:41.000 --> 01:05:51.000 Meeting: So what we've done is we have made recycling instead of a heavily subsidized at about $326,000 a year subsidy out of the tipping fleet. 01:05:51.000 --> 01:05:56.000 Meeting: Now it's pay as you go. You want to recycle, then it's… it's for payment. 01:05:56.000 --> 01:06:02.000 Meeting: And then, in the future, it will be at the future transfer station in the same region. 01:06:02.000 --> 01:06:07.000 Meeting: Always that you can. 01:06:07.000 --> 01:06:18.000 Meeting: Um, to that point, I have to say, the dynamism about this industry is… is, um, challenging sometimes. I've got. 01:06:18.000 --> 01:06:27.000 Meeting: 5… 4 House bills and one Senate bill in Olympia right now that I'm tracking. I'll just get a briefing on them today. 01:06:27.000 --> 01:06:32.000 Meeting: Two of them, if passed, would affect the design of the new transfer station. 01:06:32.000 --> 01:06:39.000 Meeting: And this is a short session. So, what that new facility will look like will… 01:06:39.000 --> 01:06:43.000 Meeting: In large part being determined by our legislature. 01:06:43.000 --> 01:06:48.000 Meeting: And so, we're planning for maximum flexibility in design. 01:06:48.000 --> 01:06:55.000 Meeting: Waiting to figure out what the regulatory landscape actually looks like on the day that we open the facility. 01:06:55.000 --> 01:06:59.000 Meeting: It's a… it's a real challenging way to design. 01:06:59.000 --> 01:07:02.000 Meeting: A facility that needs to operate for 40 years. 01:07:04.000 --> 01:07:13.000 Meeting: One more question, and then let's move on to the more slides, and we might answer some questions there. Go ahead. I might have missed it. Is there a plan and a timeline for the Hadlock Recycling Center? 01:07:14.000 --> 01:07:16.000 Meeting: Yes, April 1, it will go away. 01:07:18.000 --> 01:07:26.000 Meeting: To reiterate, that was seen today, so the two… the two areas for drop-off. 01:07:26.000 --> 01:07:33.000 Meeting: After April 1 will be the pulsing facility and the transfer station. We will pay for recycling at both of those sites. 01:07:35.000 --> 01:07:40.000 Meeting: Do you have a few scheduled for that already? Uh… 01:07:40.000 --> 01:07:42.000 Meeting: Yes, both, and they're both published. 01:07:42.000 --> 01:07:45.000 Meeting: at Jeffersoncounty SolidWaste.com. 01:07:47.000 --> 01:07:53.000 Meeting: Okay, let's move on. We're gonna make lots of time. We want to make time for all the, uh, questions and comments as well. 01:07:54.000 --> 01:08:02.000 Meeting: So, uh… here we go. Uh, so there's the study area, hope everyone can see that. It's, um… 01:08:02.000 --> 01:08:08.000 Meeting: East of the current facilities, north-south access, right? Um… 01:08:09.000 --> 01:08:14.000 Meeting: Um, because all the… all the material movement is going east of an outbound legs. 01:08:14.000 --> 01:08:23.000 Meeting: And then it's north of State Route 104, or really close to it. That was the study area. Thank you. 01:08:23.000 --> 01:08:26.000 Meeting: Um, so that's the study area. 01:08:26.000 --> 01:08:28.000 Meeting: Next slide. 01:08:29.000 --> 01:08:33.000 Meeting: Were 9,605 properties considered. 01:08:33.000 --> 01:08:38.000 Meeting: Um, so in our first look, we used each screening criteria. 01:08:39.000 --> 01:08:46.000 Meeting: These were 4 county-owned properties that were within that study area. Residential properties came out. 01:08:46.000 --> 01:08:53.000 Meeting: Um, anything under 20 acres came out. Anything not on a, uh, on an arterial road came out. 01:08:53.000 --> 01:08:59.000 Meeting: Anything largely encumbered by critical areas was out. Anything on steep slopes, seismic… 01:08:59.000 --> 01:09:05.000 Meeting: Hazard came out. Uh, zoning compatibility wanted to make sure it fit the neighborhood. 01:09:05.000 --> 01:09:10.000 Meeting: Um, and then anything on the state's Cultural Resources map that likely would. 01:09:10.000 --> 01:09:15.000 Meeting: Come up with, um, uh, Cultural Resources came out as well. 01:09:15.000 --> 01:09:20.000 Meeting: So, it was a handy screening. We went from 9,600 properties to 11. 01:09:21.000 --> 01:09:36.000 Meeting: Then staff, um, wanted to apply some local knowledge to, um, consultants' work. Um, we revised the area of study just slightly, expanded the study area a little bit, made sure there wasn't anything real close that we missed. 01:09:36.000 --> 01:09:46.000 Meeting: Then we included residential properties. On the offhand chance, there was a really large one that didn't have neighbors that would be impacted by it. That didn't prove true. 01:09:48.000 --> 01:09:54.000 Meeting: So, we took… we used 19 different site elements and a comparative study of those. 01:09:54.000 --> 01:10:01.000 Meeting: Uh, properties, and then we applied fatal flaw screening, much of it, like, the consultant had done. 01:10:01.000 --> 01:10:05.000 Meeting: And 26 sites now came down to a very manageable 4. 01:10:07.000 --> 01:10:19.000 Meeting: Then, still not happy with that work. We took a second look at our second look, um, and we imagine, what if we just used the guiding principles that were part of the charter that the task force created. 01:10:19.000 --> 01:10:27.000 Meeting: and we applied them, uh, those that were related to siting. What if we apply them to just a north, central, and south? 01:10:27.000 --> 01:10:30.000 Meeting: Uh, ideology there? 01:10:30.000 --> 01:10:32.000 Meeting: Send it, please. 01:10:33.000 --> 01:10:44.000 Meeting: And so, we came up with this, uh, general location scorecard. We used flexibility, service equity, environmental excellence, land development, public-private partnership, potential. 01:10:44.000 --> 01:10:53.000 Meeting: and other operations co-location potential. And then staff put in an additional one that the task force hadn't considered, which is cost-benefit. 01:10:54.000 --> 01:10:59.000 Meeting: Um, and then we scored them, um, just, you know, 3-tier ranking on it. 01:11:00.000 --> 01:11:04.000 Meeting: Um, we thought this was a really clever idea. 01:11:04.000 --> 01:11:06.000 Meeting: Next slide, please. 01:11:06.000 --> 01:11:08.000 Meeting: The task force didn't agree. 01:11:08.000 --> 01:11:14.000 Meeting: Um, they said that we wanted more site-specific analysis. Now. 01:11:14.000 --> 01:11:21.000 Meeting: Test force did complete that exercise, that screening exercise. The results favored a south location. 01:11:21.000 --> 01:11:26.000 Meeting: Um, but there were wide variations in the feedback that we got. 01:11:26.000 --> 01:11:35.000 Meeting: And just general dissatisfaction from a majority of the task force members, so we said, okay, was it that clever? Let's go back to. 01:11:35.000 --> 01:11:37.000 Meeting: Site-specific analysis. 01:11:38.000 --> 01:11:43.000 Meeting: So, we took a third look at the 4 sites, we used 8 performance criteria. 01:11:44.000 --> 01:11:46.000 Meeting: Um… 01:11:46.000 --> 01:11:55.000 Meeting: And I should say, so these 4 sites were the Cape George property that this gentleman mentioned, 30 acres adjacent to the current facility. 01:11:55.000 --> 01:12:03.000 Meeting: approximate 80-acre private property that's on Rhodey Drive and right across from the Irondale Road intersection. 01:12:03.000 --> 01:12:15.000 Meeting: Um, and then the 37-acre county-owned property at SR190104, just north of the new traffic circle, and then there was a Rainier-owned property on center. 01:12:15.000 --> 01:12:17.000 Meeting: A couple miles south of General Field. 01:12:17.000 --> 01:12:24.000 Meeting: These were the ones that made the short list. So, we looked at adaptability as far as future population growth. 01:12:24.000 --> 01:12:32.000 Meeting: Legislative changes to waste management, in terms of service equity drive times for population centroid. 01:12:32.000 --> 01:12:41.000 Meeting: Both of those, the SR18 and, uh, Center Road, uh, sites are about 13 minutes from where we are right now. 01:12:43.000 --> 01:12:48.000 Meeting: Um, and then we looked at, uh, environmental excellence. Uh, this is where. 01:12:48.000 --> 01:12:56.000 Meeting: having, um, someone on the Climate Action Committee on the task force is hugely beneficial to staff who took a deep dive into. 01:12:56.000 --> 01:13:03.000 Meeting: Comparative analysis of the four properties in terms of the potential for greenhouse gas reductions. 01:13:07.000 --> 01:13:15.000 Meeting: Then we looked at the least impact neighbors, uh, the potential for new partnerships, uh, possible public-private partnerships. 01:13:15.000 --> 01:13:23.000 Meeting: The potential for other operations co-location, like roads and fleet, um, or consolidated operations. 01:13:23.000 --> 01:13:30.000 Meeting: And then, of course, cost containment. What's the most economical place to operate a transfer station over the next 4 decades? 01:13:32.000 --> 01:13:37.000 Meeting: And then we scored, uh, on a scale of 1 to 5, um… 01:13:37.000 --> 01:13:43.000 Meeting: 1 being very poorly meets the criteria, and 5 being meets the criteria very well. 01:13:46.000 --> 01:13:49.000 Meeting: Nope. No. 01:13:49.000 --> 01:13:53.000 Meeting: And there was our scores. 01:13:53.000 --> 01:14:03.000 Meeting: Um, so, far and above Cape George property, Lordy Drive was SR19 and 104. Um… 01:14:03.000 --> 01:14:08.000 Meeting: Staff also did the same scoring exercise separate from the task force. 01:14:08.000 --> 01:14:13.000 Meeting: Um, not to influence, and we came to the same rank. 01:14:13.000 --> 01:14:18.000 Meeting: So we're pretty satisfied that we've hit on the ideal side. 01:14:18.000 --> 01:14:22.000 Meeting: By ideal, I mean the one with the least amount of compromises. 01:14:26.000 --> 01:14:36.000 Meeting: So, confident that we found the best two sites, we did some limited field studies, we took a noise survey that we had done at the transfer station and applied that. 01:14:36.000 --> 01:14:48.000 Meeting: to those two sites to see whether there were noise impacts to neighbors. Um, traffic improvements, we did a traffic study. Both sites would require the same type of traffic improvement, a turning lane. 01:14:48.000 --> 01:14:53.000 Meeting: Um, so that was kind of equal. Uh, the geology… 01:14:53.000 --> 01:14:58.000 Meeting: really favored the SR19104 site at the Center Road site. 01:14:58.000 --> 01:15:05.000 Meeting: Uh, we would have hit bedrock at about 6 inches, um, which would have been really hard to try to get. 01:15:05.000 --> 01:15:16.000 Meeting: you know, 10 acres of flat through that bad rock. Um, and then the center road site was also encumbered by far more critical areas than the SR19 site. 01:15:20.000 --> 01:15:23.000 Meeting: Oh, I guess I just said that. 01:15:24.000 --> 01:15:27.000 Meeting: Any questions? Yeah. 01:15:29.000 --> 01:15:39.000 Meeting: Where's the visitor center on that site? That's just to the left? The little gray box there. So the property you're looking at is just across Beaver Valley Road. Right. 01:15:41.000 --> 01:15:50.000 Meeting: We can leave this up for questions, comments here online, too. You can hit the raise hand button, try to restate the questions or comments. 01:15:52.000 --> 01:15:58.000 Meeting: Is there any questions that I have if this gentleman brought it up in the answering this, uh, the lines… 01:15:58.000 --> 01:16:04.000 Meeting: facility we have now, and they're usually the first day of the year. 01:16:05.000 --> 01:16:10.000 Meeting: Yeah, well, that used to be wonderful. Is there any chance they ever get that tonight? 01:16:10.000 --> 01:16:19.000 Meeting: Meeting but not anytime soon. You've got 5 days a week. I used to have 6 days, that's correct. 01:16:19.000 --> 01:16:26.000 Meeting: Yep, and the reason for that is back to one of the first slides, we have a 33-year-old facility. 01:16:26.000 --> 01:16:31.000 Meeting: That needs maintenance, like, nobody's business, and we needed to carve out a day. 01:16:31.000 --> 01:16:33.000 Meeting: Where we could get that done. 01:16:33.000 --> 01:16:35.000 Meeting: Now, we have added hours back. 01:16:35.000 --> 01:16:41.000 Meeting: So, we're… I think we're 3 hours a week less than what we had before. 01:16:41.000 --> 01:16:48.000 Meeting: Now that we've added additional time. So we start at 8.30 now instead of 9, and then on Saturdays, we need to… 01:16:49.000 --> 01:16:54.000 Meeting: That game… that game is bad. Now, and Mondays are exceptionally busy. 01:16:54.000 --> 01:17:02.000 Meeting: Because we're, we're, we're managing all the… all the hauls from the contractor, or the UTC, uh, routes. 01:17:02.000 --> 01:17:08.000 Meeting: That have tried to consolidate as much of those routes to get them out of the mix the other families. 01:17:08.000 --> 01:17:13.000 Meeting: So, I've got to say that the facility you have right now. 01:17:14.000 --> 01:17:16.000 Meeting: Really, no. 01:17:16.000 --> 01:17:19.000 Meeting: It's, uh, waiting and me. 01:17:20.000 --> 01:17:23.000 Meeting: Go in, get ready for something. 01:17:23.000 --> 01:17:30.000 Meeting: People only aren't hearing you, so if we want to mistake… I mean, I'm just… 01:17:30.000 --> 01:17:36.000 Meeting: That's… that's a fact that you've heard of beautiful silica the way it is now, but I'm just interested in why it needs to change. 01:17:37.000 --> 01:17:45.000 Meeting: restate this? Sure, so the question was, if we have what appears to be an economical operation there. 01:17:45.000 --> 01:17:50.000 Meeting: What's the need to change it, or move it? 01:17:50.000 --> 01:17:56.000 Meeting: Um, well, because we don't have room at the facility to replace it. 01:17:56.000 --> 01:18:01.000 Meeting: Um, the prompt for insurance operation. 01:18:01.000 --> 01:18:10.000 Meeting: are climbing really high, um, and it fails to deliver service equity in terms of cost-effective wins across the county. 01:18:12.000 --> 01:18:17.000 Meeting: So, two-thirds of the population live outside of Wood Townsend. 01:18:17.000 --> 01:18:23.000 Meeting: And so they need to be considered in a planning process. Well, I understand what you're talking about. That's probably. 01:18:23.000 --> 01:18:25.000 Meeting: The best choice. 01:18:26.000 --> 01:18:38.000 Meeting: Dan, I don't know if you've ever tried to rebuild an engine while it's running? It's hard. I've unmuted Dan already. Okay, I'll come back to Shelly. Go ahead, Jan. 01:18:39.000 --> 01:18:41.000 Jan Wold: Uh, can you hear me okay? 01:18:41.000 --> 01:18:43.000 Meeting: We can, yes. Go ahead. 01:18:42.000 --> 01:18:51.000 Jan Wold: All right, uh, my question is the drainages in that area. There are two different salmon streams, Thorndyke Creek and Shine Creek. 01:18:52.000 --> 01:18:59.000 Jan Wold: Where does this area drain to? Because there are at least 3 threatened and endangered species in those drainages. 01:19:01.000 --> 01:19:06.000 Meeting: That's a great question. Can you wait until we get to a couple slides more? 01:19:06.000 --> 01:19:08.000 Jan Wold: Sure. 01:19:06.000 --> 01:19:11.000 Meeting: And I can… because we'll show the DNR streams on those maps. 01:19:11.000 --> 01:19:13.000 Jan Wold: Perfect, thank you. 01:19:13.000 --> 01:19:19.000 Meeting: Sure. Thanks, Jen. Anyone else online, go ahead and hit the raise hand button. We have one more? 01:19:19.000 --> 01:19:29.000 Meeting: Okay, Shelly? Um, I just would like to answer the lady's question about who live in Brennan, what you do. We've already had that discussion. We'll go to Mason County. 01:19:29.000 --> 01:19:32.000 Meeting: And it's less expensive and easy to get in with. 01:19:34.000 --> 01:19:42.000 Meeting: Right. And it's funny, when we… we struggled for a while to continue to deliver recycling services. 01:19:42.000 --> 01:19:52.000 Meeting: Uh, in Brennan after the State Park asked us to move, and uh, the Elvick family stepped up and posted the facility, or the bins there. 01:19:52.000 --> 01:19:58.000 Meeting: But only for about 6 weeks, because the amount of garbage that was being dumped there was just untenable. 01:19:58.000 --> 01:20:04.000 Meeting: Um, when we… when we finally had to pull the bins, and we had no other site to place it there. 01:20:04.000 --> 01:20:10.000 Meeting: We got a really dramatic increase in customers at the Wilson facility. 01:20:10.000 --> 01:20:15.000 Meeting: And so our attendant was asking where… where they were coming from, because. 01:20:15.000 --> 01:20:17.000 Meeting: you know, I've never seen it. 01:20:17.000 --> 01:20:22.000 Meeting: Turned out that once we… once we had stopped recycling services. 01:20:22.000 --> 01:20:29.000 Meeting: bringing customers that usually went to Mason County decided to come to the Quilson facility. 01:20:29.000 --> 01:20:35.000 Meeting: Um, which was kind of remarkable, because what that meant was, for many years, the recycling service. 01:20:35.000 --> 01:20:37.000 Meeting: was being subsidized by… 01:20:37.000 --> 01:20:44.000 Meeting: Both the close-in and the transfer station customers, while the revenue streams going down to Mason County. 01:20:45.000 --> 01:20:55.000 Meeting: We have a comment online I'll read, and then we'll go back to you, sir. Uh, I was on the task force, and the primary problem with the Cape George site was the proposal to change the entrance to Cape George Road. 01:20:55.000 --> 01:21:06.000 Meeting: If the entrance was via the gun club area, like the proposed loop, or somewhere near the animal shelter, which is not in a wetland, and the critical area maps don't show wetland there, it would appear to be an ideal site. 01:21:07.000 --> 01:21:09.000 Meeting: We would disagree, strongly. 01:21:10.000 --> 01:21:12.000 Meeting: Cool. Um, sure. 01:21:13.000 --> 01:21:15.000 Meeting: Um, but already… 01:21:15.000 --> 01:21:17.000 Meeting: concentration is finished. 01:21:17.000 --> 01:21:26.000 Meeting: Actually, my question is all about this, which is just, you know, all this is one thing, so that's what I put up there about. Um, after April 1st, 2026. 01:21:26.000 --> 01:21:34.000 Meeting: What does it look like? Well, there's… there's no movement to close the Wellsine facility anytime soon. 01:21:34.000 --> 01:21:37.000 Meeting: We're looking at a minimum. 01:21:37.000 --> 01:21:50.000 Meeting: you know, if we really fast-tracked this process, we wouldn't open the new facility for 5 years. And then, to that question is, um, you talked about after April 1st with a certain location, that was a time period. 01:21:50.000 --> 01:21:56.000 Meeting: cardboard table. 01:21:59.000 --> 01:22:04.000 Meeting: Uh, right now, it's being charged, and we're saying that maybe after paying for them. That's correct. 01:22:05.000 --> 01:22:10.000 Meeting: No, it won't. No, we had to… 01:22:10.000 --> 01:22:20.000 Meeting: No, it's okay, I can answer that really quickly. So the question was about, uh, services and closing and fees. 01:22:20.000 --> 01:22:27.000 Meeting: Uh, after the April 1st, uh, recycling program revisions. Um… 01:22:27.000 --> 01:22:34.000 Meeting: So we will see if you bring a single can. We're bringing back the single can charge we heard loud and clear, but that was really… 01:22:34.000 --> 01:22:38.000 Meeting: Uh, um, wanted that. So… 01:22:38.000 --> 01:22:43.000 Meeting: The single cam will go from 10 to 15, and include all recycling. 01:22:44.000 --> 01:22:49.000 Meeting: Um, and then likewise, it'll be $20 for two 32-gallon cans. 01:22:49.000 --> 01:22:57.000 Meeting: and recycling, right? Because it's volume-based. At the scales at the transfer station, there'll be a $20 minimum fee. 01:22:57.000 --> 01:23:02.000 Meeting: That's 220 pounds, garbage, recycling, any mix you want to bring. 01:23:02.000 --> 01:23:07.000 Meeting: Right, the low-income discount still applies. 01:23:09.000 --> 01:23:14.000 Meeting: Yeah. Uh, since we're talking full scene, I'll continue on that, right? 01:23:14.000 --> 01:23:23.000 Meeting: Uh, previously, I think it was at Glass Task Force meeting that said that the Wilson facilities were being closed with completion of this facility. 01:23:23.000 --> 01:23:31.000 Meeting: uh, the new facility. Uh, expectation, 5, 6 years down the road that we close it. At the Wilson Community Conversations. 01:23:31.000 --> 01:23:40.000 Meeting: It was said that there was no plan to close the Wilson facility. Uh, since then, talking with the county employee, it came up in conversation that there was a. 01:23:40.000 --> 01:23:50.000 Meeting: close to 5 years when this is finished, and the wording that you just used now is there's no plan closing anytime soon, that this is a time indefinitable plan. 01:23:50.000 --> 01:23:59.000 Meeting: So, is there or is there not a plan to consolidate the postman facility into this facility when it's complete? 01:23:59.000 --> 01:24:10.000 Meeting: And are people in southbound aware of it if it is planned to be closed, so they can be part of those conversations? Because it's a 50-mile drive round trip from Brennan, it's a 30-mile round trip drive. 01:24:10.000 --> 01:24:18.000 Meeting: Uh, it will greatly affect that while there's a local facility that they can use currently for residential. 01:24:19.000 --> 01:24:21.000 Meeting: Right. So… 01:24:21.000 --> 01:24:28.000 Meeting: There's always a discussion for all of our facilities about how not to lose as much money as we can. 01:24:29.000 --> 01:24:34.000 Meeting: That's an open-ended conversation. We have a responsibility to have. 01:24:34.000 --> 01:24:40.000 Meeting: So what's been suggested at SWAC meetings is we definitely need to look at those numbers. How much are we losing? 01:24:40.000 --> 01:24:42.000 Meeting: Just did a little… 01:24:42.000 --> 01:24:55.000 Meeting: The profit loss statement that I shared with you last week shows $53,000 loss that we'll see last year, about $52,000 the year before. This was $5,000 3 years ago, 4 years ago. 01:24:55.000 --> 01:24:58.000 Meeting: So, that's an interesting way. 01:24:58.000 --> 01:25:04.000 Meeting: There is, and what I want to be clear on is that in the last 6 years, that facility has lost a bunch of people. 01:25:04.000 --> 01:25:12.000 Meeting: So, we have a fiduciary responsibility to consider whether or not consolidation of those services or those facilities. 01:25:12.000 --> 01:25:14.000 Meeting: Can cut our losses. 01:25:14.000 --> 01:25:20.000 Meeting: Certainly a facility that's going to be a 16-mile drive time from the current facility. 01:25:20.000 --> 01:25:24.000 Meeting: We have… staff has a responsibility to consider whether or not. 01:25:24.000 --> 01:25:27.000 Meeting: We closed that facility and stuff. 01:25:27.000 --> 01:25:36.000 Meeting: With those losses, right? So it's a $53,000 subsidy that transfer station, um, customers are now paying. 01:25:36.000 --> 01:25:39.000 Meeting: To listen… well, to listen users, right? 01:25:39.000 --> 01:25:45.000 Meeting: So, staff has a responsibility to ask these questions out loud, and we don't continue to. 01:25:45.000 --> 01:25:50.000 Meeting: So, let's not get back into… we're not back and forth. The question was… 01:25:51.000 --> 01:26:02.000 Meeting: is the facility planning on being closed as part of the consolidation, and are people in South County can participate in these conversations? There is no formal plan, no matter what you read on Facebook. 01:26:02.000 --> 01:26:05.000 Meeting: It's county employees. 01:26:05.000 --> 01:26:13.000 Meeting: Okay, we're gonna stop there, we have Simon back, then we have Tom, and this gentleman, and then we have comments, and then we should probably… 01:26:13.000 --> 01:26:19.000 Meeting: Move on to the next slide, please. 01:26:19.000 --> 01:26:21.000 Meeting: Are they out here soon. 01:26:21.000 --> 01:26:27.000 Meeting: I don't know if it's a good fit for anybody else. 01:26:27.000 --> 01:26:30.000 Meeting: Yeah, that's right, that's fine. 01:26:31.000 --> 01:26:38.000 Meeting: So, the question is, has there been consideration to raise the fee in quilting. 01:26:38.000 --> 01:26:44.000 Meeting: Um, to cover the subsidy that transfer station customers are not paying. 01:26:44.000 --> 01:26:52.000 Meeting: Uh, no, there are no plans, but the profit and loss statement that, um, that we just put together just last week. 01:26:52.000 --> 01:26:56.000 Meeting: Shows that the per-trip fee would need to be… 01:26:56.000 --> 01:27:01.000 Meeting: A couple of pennies short of $30 per trip to be costly. 01:27:04.000 --> 01:27:08.000 Meeting: Yeah, let's go with Mr. Chair, and then Sergeant. 01:27:08.000 --> 01:27:14.000 Meeting: The plan for having, uh. 01:27:14.000 --> 01:27:21.000 Meeting: Commercial service. Traffic all the stuff is in one bin. 01:27:22.000 --> 01:27:27.000 Meeting: Whereas right now, we're nicely separating our cans and our plastic, but… 01:27:27.000 --> 01:27:35.000 Meeting: So, the new scheme, starting April 1st, is there any reason to not just throw it all into one boon and take it to the transfer station? 01:27:35.000 --> 01:27:37.000 Meeting: If we're so swollen. 01:27:37.000 --> 01:27:42.000 Meeting: No, there would not be. Uh, I'm sorry, the question was, with the… 01:27:42.000 --> 01:27:47.000 Meeting: Changes to the recycling program, uh, starting April 1st on a single street. 01:27:47.000 --> 01:27:52.000 Meeting: Is there any reason for a self-haul customer to source separate it. 01:27:52.000 --> 01:27:57.000 Meeting: before they come to the transfer station? No, there's not. Uh, what about cardboard? 01:27:58.000 --> 01:28:00.000 Meeting: Uh… 01:28:01.000 --> 01:28:08.000 Meeting: You probably want to hold that separate. If they're cell phone, yeah, there will be a separate VIN for that. That's the… that's the only commodity. 01:28:08.000 --> 01:28:13.000 Meeting: That sometimes, depending on the market, is cost neutral. 01:28:13.000 --> 01:28:29.000 Meeting: Thank you for that. Sure. I just want to go back to this slide. What are the access points to this property, and what does the state research? Um, if you could hold that question for the next slide. Yeah, we'll address that. All right, we've got a, uh, comment online. 01:28:29.000 --> 01:28:42.000 Meeting: Robert, my compliments to those who have worked to find a good site. They still request a small transfer station at the existing site for small dumpers and recycling. A few folks from Port Townsend will drive 36 miles round trip to recycle would be a waste of fuel. 01:28:45.000 --> 01:28:47.000 Meeting: Alright, um… 01:28:47.000 --> 01:28:49.000 Meeting: Why don't we… 01:28:49.000 --> 01:28:54.000 Meeting: absence of a new, uh, yeah, we'll move on, and there'll be another opportunity for questions or comments. 01:28:56.000 --> 01:29:06.000 Meeting: All right, so a lot about the conceptual design that's been informed with, uh, site visits that staff has made to a number of other facilities. 01:29:07.000 --> 01:29:17.000 Meeting: Uh, Forks at West Waste, privately owned company, uh, Port Angeles, which, um, operates the transfer station served in Clam County. 01:29:17.000 --> 01:29:30.000 Meeting: Uh, Snohomish County's largest transfer station. Um, we were just down in Bremerton a couple of weeks ago at their transfer station, uh, check out their second compactor that they just brought online. 01:29:30.000 --> 01:29:36.000 Meeting: Uh, we made a visit to Grace Harbor as well, it's a relatively new transfer station. We were really curious how they could. 01:29:36.000 --> 01:29:42.000 Meeting: Manage, um, almost 3 times as much solid waste with 3 fewer staff. 01:29:42.000 --> 01:29:51.000 Meeting: So, it was worth the trip there to figure that out. Uh, we've got site visits planned for both the Seattle North and South facilities. 01:29:51.000 --> 01:30:01.000 Meeting: And a relatively newer, uh, Bowlake facility, serving, uh, South King County as well. We've also looked at the site plans for two relatively new facilities. 01:30:01.000 --> 01:30:07.000 Meeting: Um, one being built in Kittitas County, and the other in Whitman County as well, so we're… 01:30:07.000 --> 01:30:14.000 Meeting: Trying to collect the best, uh, and the worst, hearing from, uh, plant managers on what the… 01:30:15.000 --> 01:30:18.000 Meeting: To inform our conceptual design. 01:30:18.000 --> 01:30:20.000 Meeting: So… 01:30:21.000 --> 01:30:34.000 Meeting: So, there it is. Um, this is… we'll get into more detail, obviously, but I just wanted to show where it is in relationship to, um, SR104, Beef Valley Road, and the Visitor Center. 01:30:34.000 --> 01:30:36.000 Meeting: She's just to the north there. 01:30:36.000 --> 01:30:38.000 Meeting: On the next slide. 01:30:40.000 --> 01:30:48.000 Meeting: And I guess I should start by answering the question someone had about the DNR stream. 01:30:48.000 --> 01:30:53.000 Meeting: I don't think… I'm almost certain that the DNR mapping is incorrect. 01:30:53.000 --> 01:30:59.000 Meeting: I was at the facility at lunch today, looking at it with a consultant. 01:30:59.000 --> 01:31:04.000 Meeting: Uh, who agreed that, um, we had walked in on the path that, uh. 01:31:04.000 --> 01:31:10.000 Meeting: The proposed road to the north would take, um, and we didn't notice a stream. 01:31:11.000 --> 01:31:17.000 Meeting: So, something's wrong with the DNR mapping. Um, even the… 01:31:17.000 --> 01:31:24.000 Meeting: Topography that we haven't shown on there for clarity is wrong to have a stream flowing in that direction. 01:31:24.000 --> 01:31:35.000 Meeting: So, we're gonna have to engage DNR, lock the site, and probably remap it. That'll… that'll fall on us as part of our wetland delineation, which is one of the next steps. 01:31:35.000 --> 01:31:40.000 Meeting: Um, should the OCC agree with staff's recommendation? Um… 01:31:40.000 --> 01:31:46.000 Meeting: This is showing two entrances. Um, the first one on the… that's… 01:31:46.000 --> 01:31:56.000 Meeting: you know, straight off of Beaver Valley Road. Um, that's not the preferred option. The preferred option is the one further away from the traffic circle at an angle. 01:31:56.000 --> 01:32:05.000 Meeting: This would require an easement granted from Rainier, which is the adjacent property owner. They have signaled favorably that they would. 01:32:05.000 --> 01:32:07.000 Meeting: Uh, allow us… firstly. 01:32:07.000 --> 01:32:13.000 Meeting: Suggested that we might purchase a little wedge there, and they said, um, that's their access point for. 01:32:14.000 --> 01:32:22.000 Meeting: you know, a future harvest. They prefer to, uh, to not sell it, but they would grant us a permanent easement on it, so… 01:32:22.000 --> 01:32:33.000 Meeting: It's more ideal, it's further away from the traffic circle, it buys you a little bit more queuing space as well ahead of the scales. So, and again, we'll have to figure out that issue in the DNR stream. 01:32:35.000 --> 01:32:37.000 Meeting: Sorry? 01:32:38.000 --> 01:32:40.000 Meeting: So… 01:32:40.000 --> 01:32:46.000 Meeting: What we've seen in a couple of facilities, the Ballet, the Snohomish County one, is… 01:32:46.000 --> 01:32:55.000 Meeting: that profile that you see there on the floor, for traffic separation, we're looking at not just traffic separation of the scales between. 01:32:55.000 --> 01:33:00.000 Meeting: Self-haulers in the commercial halls, um, but also on the tipping floor. 01:33:01.000 --> 01:33:05.000 Meeting: So, they have… this is called a ZWAL configuration, so the upper level. 01:33:06.000 --> 01:33:17.000 Meeting: is for your self-hall customers. They, uh, move their materials over, uh, about a 4-foot knee wall, separate them, keep them from going on the lower floor. 01:33:17.000 --> 01:33:23.000 Meeting: Um, and then the commercial hall is coming in on the lower bay, and depositing there. 01:33:23.000 --> 01:33:31.000 Meeting: We're planning for a compactor facility, but what we learned and seen in Snohomish County, Kitsap County. 01:33:32.000 --> 01:33:39.000 Meeting: Um, leaving the Bolay facility, um, suffering from some pretty long closures over the last couple of years. 01:33:39.000 --> 01:33:44.000 Meeting: servicing their compactors. Um, it's the reason why Bremerton brought a second one online. 01:33:44.000 --> 01:33:59.000 Meeting: They're about $1.5 million each. Um, what we're going to do is have the ability to top load outside of the building, or from on the floor to outside of the building as well. 01:33:59.000 --> 01:34:05.000 Meeting: Which is the model that we saw in Grays Park. So there won't be any delays like we're seeing at facilities that are compact or older. 01:34:06.000 --> 01:34:13.000 Meeting: gives us a lot more adaptability. Okay, clarifying question. Yeah, so you're saying that where we see the little. 01:34:13.000 --> 01:34:20.000 Meeting: Uh, dozer there, that's both the tipping floor and the commercial hall would unload on that level? That's right. Okay. Yep. 01:34:20.000 --> 01:34:27.000 Meeting: There still is a cell phone? There is still a cell phone, yep. And the next slide will show some photos. 01:34:28.000 --> 01:34:38.000 Meeting: So, these are from the Snohomish County Knee Transfer Station. You can see in the left-hand photo there, uh, looking down, you can see on the upper level are your cell phone customers. 01:34:38.000 --> 01:34:46.000 Meeting: That come in and angle in, back in, dump over the tip and over the knee wall, then on the lower bay. 01:34:46.000 --> 01:34:51.000 Meeting: You can see that all the equipment, um, can… can move, um. 01:34:51.000 --> 01:34:57.000 Meeting: All day long, without any traffic conflict, which is really challenging for us at the current facility. 01:34:58.000 --> 01:35:05.000 Meeting: Um, all the material in the upper right hand, um, where it's being pushed into. 01:35:05.000 --> 01:35:12.000 Meeting: A compactor chute, and then the lower right hand is the outside of the building, the lower level. 01:35:12.000 --> 01:35:17.000 Meeting: Uh, showing the trailers hooked up to, um, compactors. 01:35:17.000 --> 01:35:22.000 Meeting: Um, or I'm sorry, the chairs the compactor is feeding into. 01:35:22.000 --> 01:35:27.000 Meeting: We got a bit of demonstration of this at the Bremerton facility a couple weeks ago. It's pretty impressive. 01:35:28.000 --> 01:35:32.000 Meeting: How high is he? Well, about 4 feet. 01:35:34.000 --> 01:35:36.000 Meeting: That'll be challenging. 01:35:36.000 --> 01:35:42.000 Meeting: So, this is… this is the valet transfer station just before it opened for business. 01:35:42.000 --> 01:35:48.000 Meeting: From the self-haul customer, um, uh, view, looking down, um… 01:35:48.000 --> 01:35:53.000 Meeting: So that's the knee wall there. That's probably closer to 3 feet, and then they put, um… 01:35:53.000 --> 01:35:58.000 Meeting: Uh, chain link above it to keep people from falling off of it. 01:35:59.000 --> 01:36:07.000 Meeting: This is very similar to the… it's been 25 years since I've been at the Wallenford facility in Seattle, but it's very similar. 01:36:07.000 --> 01:36:16.000 Meeting: Um, they had kind of a slope, and I remember that the number of people had to be retrieved from, um, from that, so they… 01:36:16.000 --> 01:36:18.000 Meeting: They built up the knee long there. 01:36:19.000 --> 01:36:26.000 Meeting: So you throw your garbage over the needle. That's right, and then there's little cutouts in the wall, too, for heavy materials to slide down through. 01:36:28.000 --> 01:36:30.000 Meeting: So… 01:36:30.000 --> 01:36:34.000 Meeting: releases to make sure your garbage gets on the new one. 01:36:35.000 --> 01:36:41.000 Meeting: Well, so that's the beauty. So right now, we dedicate about 3 FTEs a day, 3 full-time. 01:36:42.000 --> 01:36:49.000 Meeting: Equivalent employees, just to assisting customers with backing in and making sure they put the garbage in the right spot. 01:36:49.000 --> 01:36:56.000 Meeting: Um, it's really labor… I mean, the labor costs through the roof, whereas at Grays Harbor, the idea is that. 01:36:56.000 --> 01:37:07.000 Meeting: Um, if you were able to get there, you should figure out how to back in. Um, and there's sometimes conflict with customers that disagree on who goes first and everything. 01:37:07.000 --> 01:37:14.000 Meeting: But the staff there doesn't deal with that. They say, this is… this is where the garbage goes. If you can get it there, that's great. 01:37:18.000 --> 01:37:26.000 Meeting: Uh, there's a… it's actually drone footage. Uh, Justin Misco, our operations manager, brought his drone with him. 01:37:26.000 --> 01:37:31.000 Meeting: to, uh, to the Grace Harbor visit, and uh… actually flew the drone through the facility. 01:37:31.000 --> 01:37:37.000 Meeting: some great footage. Um, so again, that transfer station separates. 01:37:37.000 --> 01:37:43.000 Meeting: Commercial and cell phone traffic. Uh, the commercial scale is all the way over to the right. 01:37:43.000 --> 01:37:50.000 Meeting: Um, and then these are the customer scales there. 77,000 tons a year with 5 staff. 01:37:50.000 --> 01:37:52.000 Meeting: Uh, two of them in the scale house. 01:37:52.000 --> 01:37:58.000 Meeting: Um, and to our 25,000, it was, you know. 01:37:58.000 --> 01:38:01.000 Meeting: We typically can't operate with less than 5. 01:38:01.000 --> 01:38:04.000 Meeting: Um, we're all doing over 5,000. 01:38:06.000 --> 01:38:14.000 Meeting: So, one of the features, really the first feature that you would see coming into the new facility. 01:38:14.000 --> 01:38:23.000 Meeting: Um, it's a drop and pick facility. This scored really high, both with the task force and in the, uh, community survey. 01:38:23.000 --> 01:38:31.000 Meeting: that we ran, um, as a feature that people really wanted to see. This would be, um, not operated by the county, this will be. 01:38:32.000 --> 01:38:43.000 Meeting: you know, the Repair Cafe or another NGO, um, which could be a permanent home for the repair cafe. So this would be ahead of the scales, and actually know. 01:38:43.000 --> 01:38:52.000 Meeting: No scale, uh, uh, conflict at all. Uh, the entrance would be separate for this facility. 01:38:52.000 --> 01:38:59.000 Meeting: Sure, drop and pick facilities. There's a number of them that have been popping up all over the place, but oh yeah. 01:38:59.000 --> 01:39:08.000 Meeting: Seattle, Portland, um, and these are… these are places where you can come in with materials that other people might want to use. 01:39:08.000 --> 01:39:18.000 Meeting: Uh, staff there discerns whether or not there's space for them, or whether other people would want to use them, and then if accepted, it gets placed. 01:39:18.000 --> 01:39:24.000 Meeting: On shelves, in areas, and then you can come in and either at a nominal fee or for no fee. 01:39:24.000 --> 01:39:27.000 Meeting: uh, take the material away. This is… 01:39:27.000 --> 01:39:34.000 Meeting: This is a high ideal for us. It's in the Solid Waste Management Plan. It's the first tier in waste diversion. 01:39:34.000 --> 01:39:41.000 Meeting: Um, it works exceptionally well for us, because unlike recycling, um, we don't… 01:39:41.000 --> 01:39:44.000 Meeting: Pay money to lose revenue. 01:39:50.000 --> 01:39:55.000 Meeting: Um, landfill diversion activities. Pretty amorphous description. Um… 01:39:55.000 --> 01:40:03.000 Meeting: That's because I'm looking at two house bills right now that, if passed, will change the design of this transfer station. I have no idea. 01:40:03.000 --> 01:40:08.000 Meeting: what we'll need to put there in that space when we open the facility. 01:40:08.000 --> 01:40:18.000 Meeting: So, hopefully I'll have enough time. I'll have to… I guess I'll have to plan the opening around the legislative session. The short session. Right, right. 01:40:19.000 --> 01:40:25.000 Meeting: So, we're needing a really nimble, adaptable site design. 01:40:25.000 --> 01:40:30.000 Meeting: If you need particulars, we're gonna fail, because we just don't know what it… 01:40:31.000 --> 01:40:36.000 Meeting: it's gonna need to do a little bit. One of the things I liked about the Grace Harbor. 01:40:36.000 --> 01:40:49.000 Meeting: facility, how flexible it was, right? Instead of putting concrete curbs going everywhere, broke cone. This is where you're going today, and maybe we need to direct it in a different way. That's right. Flexibility is, uh, can often be value-engineered as well. 01:40:49.000 --> 01:40:52.000 Meeting: It's really plan, for example. 01:40:53.000 --> 01:41:02.000 Meeting: And then, areas for future growth, we've got almost 2 acres that can accommodate either facility expansion, future storage. 01:41:02.000 --> 01:41:10.000 Meeting: Co-located facilities. Um, we have, uh, Commissioner Eisenhower suggestion, we've discussed. 01:41:10.000 --> 01:41:17.000 Meeting: with WSU Extension, um, both Clown and Jefferson, the potential for… 01:41:18.000 --> 01:41:25.000 Meeting: a long sought-after, uh, thing on the North Olympic Peninsula. This would be a place for. 01:41:25.000 --> 01:41:37.000 Meeting: food steps to be stored before distribution, the wheels programs, uh, for ag producers in Jefferson County and plow them to pullover stuff, tie markets better. 01:41:37.000 --> 01:41:45.000 Meeting: Um, Public Works would not be designing or building that facility. We have signaled that we've got additional space. 01:41:45.000 --> 01:41:50.000 Meeting: For their consideration, if they want to run a capital campaign to build that facility. 01:41:51.000 --> 01:41:56.000 Meeting: We stand by as eager hosts, but it wouldn't be something that the tipping food would. 01:41:56.000 --> 01:41:58.000 Meeting: Good substance. 01:42:01.000 --> 01:42:03.000 Meeting: And… 01:42:03.000 --> 01:42:09.000 Meeting: Speaking of adaptability, we definitely need more storage capacity. Like I mentioned, we have about. 01:42:09.000 --> 01:42:13.000 Meeting: Um, anywhere from 8 to 16 hours. 01:42:13.000 --> 01:42:16.000 Meeting: Of capacity at our transfer station. 01:42:16.000 --> 01:42:22.000 Meeting: Um, so the margins are pretty tight there in getting that material flow. Um… 01:42:22.000 --> 01:42:26.000 Meeting: Moving. Um, here we would have a couple of days where. 01:42:28.000 --> 01:42:36.000 Meeting: So, it seems excessive, um, but we have to, you know, if the rail service goes down, which it has before. 01:42:36.000 --> 01:42:49.000 Meeting: Uh, 5.5 goes down, which it has before. Um, we've had some pretty scary moments at the transfer station, where we've piled garbage higher than we've ever piled it before, waiting for it. 01:42:49.000 --> 01:42:53.000 Meeting: either Burlington Northern to get moving again, or I find it. 01:42:56.000 --> 01:42:59.000 Meeting: Any questions? 01:42:59.000 --> 01:43:02.000 Meeting: Comments online, you can hit the raise hand button. 01:43:04.000 --> 01:43:07.000 Meeting: Here's the chat box. Let me grab another one back. 01:43:07.000 --> 01:43:12.000 Meeting: So, at the beginning, you said, uh, you know. 01:43:12.000 --> 01:43:18.000 Meeting: How many points would we be? 01:43:18.000 --> 01:43:27.000 Meeting: If we scored this facility based on the report card that we did. 01:43:27.000 --> 01:43:30.000 Meeting: Um, for the current facility, how would it score? 01:43:31.000 --> 01:43:33.000 Meeting: At least an hour. 01:43:33.000 --> 01:43:35.000 Meeting: Yeah, really high. 01:43:36.000 --> 01:43:38.000 Meeting: Yeah, but we should. 01:43:39.000 --> 01:43:41.000 Meeting: We'll do that. 01:43:42.000 --> 01:43:47.000 Meeting: Murray Disposal, or any other disposable companies to service. 01:43:47.000 --> 01:43:54.000 Meeting: Well, we could see their costs go up because they had to travel further to get to sleep. 01:43:55.000 --> 01:43:57.000 Meeting: Transportation? 01:43:57.000 --> 01:44:04.000 Meeting: Uh, no. I'm sorry, will there be additional cost to, um… 01:44:04.000 --> 01:44:13.000 Meeting: For the recycling program, the customers would have to pay, obviously, because of additional hauls to the other facility. 01:44:13.000 --> 01:44:25.000 Meeting: No, I meant for garbage. I'll just say garbage. Oh, for garbage, because now the garbage is going to go into the new facility, right? That's right. If I remember right, um, I believe we were told it's an extra 2 trips a day. 01:44:26.000 --> 01:44:28.000 Meeting: Yeah, for each vehicle. 01:44:28.000 --> 01:44:34.000 Meeting: Uh, right, for those routes, right? Because there's a couple of different routes. They're looking at two additional trips. 01:44:34.000 --> 01:44:39.000 Meeting: Per day, either by each route or total day. 01:44:39.000 --> 01:44:44.000 Meeting: So… and actually, if you can scroll past that, there's some templates. 01:44:44.000 --> 01:44:52.000 Meeting: Oh, I'm sorry, nope, nope, we'll get to that in a minute. I wanted to show you an infographic. 01:44:52.000 --> 01:45:02.000 Meeting: Others shows one compactor truck and a thousand cars, because that's… that's how many trips one modern compact truck can displace. 01:45:02.000 --> 01:45:07.000 Meeting: And that featured largely in our greenhouse gas emissions calculations. 01:45:07.000 --> 01:45:15.000 Meeting: Mr. Church, and then we come over to Steve. Alright, back to recycling. The new facility… 01:45:15.000 --> 01:45:20.000 Meeting: as opposed to the garbage at the… 01:45:20.000 --> 01:45:22.000 Meeting: Moving on to the new one. 01:45:22.000 --> 01:45:28.000 Meeting: Uh, yes, the recycling would feature ahead of. 01:45:28.000 --> 01:45:30.000 Meeting: The building itself. 01:45:30.000 --> 01:45:34.000 Meeting: So that's in the, um… actually, if you might scroll down… 01:45:36.000 --> 01:45:43.000 Meeting: Yeah, no, that's perfect. So, landfill diversion activities, that includes recycling. 01:45:44.000 --> 01:45:46.000 Meeting: Can't say exactly what it's gonna be yet. 01:45:47.000 --> 01:45:49.000 Meeting: Yes, ma'am. 01:45:49.000 --> 01:45:59.000 Meeting: Steve, with just a little bit of clarity on question about impact, just make sure I get this right. I'll actually ask that same question today. 01:46:00.000 --> 01:46:12.000 Meeting: Right now, when the truck fills up with garbage, it goes home to swim, or goes to transfer station, and goes home to swim via Highway 20. Only difference with this cycle at 104. 01:46:12.000 --> 01:46:19.000 Meeting: And 19 will… it will go to that point, and then hold the square. So, it's only a few extra miles. 01:46:19.000 --> 01:46:24.000 Meeting: That it has to travel. Yeah, yeah, so I'll speak on a little bit, too. So… 01:46:23.000 --> 01:46:25.000 Jan Wold: No. 01:46:24.000 --> 01:46:32.000 Meeting: Hey, Joey, can you come a little closer? Yeah. Just so we can get you on the record, people online to hear? Yeah, yeah. 01:46:32.000 --> 01:46:37.000 Meeting: The microphone is that white thing over here. Yeah, that's great. Alright, I'll see her here. So, um… 01:46:37.000 --> 01:46:42.000 Meeting: Yeah, we service… the majority of our area in the county is in the Port Ludlow, Coliseum. 01:46:43.000 --> 01:46:50.000 Meeting: We're in an area, so, you know, traveling-wise, it's not going to be any different going to the new facility than when you're going to the current facility. 01:46:50.000 --> 01:46:56.000 Meeting: So, travel-wise, it wouldn't affect the rates for how many customers or city customers. 01:46:56.000 --> 01:47:02.000 Meeting: But does it affect the rates for the long-haul trucks that are going. 01:47:02.000 --> 01:47:08.000 Meeting: Yes. 20 miles less on every outbound journey? I think we figured… 01:47:08.000 --> 01:47:10.000 Meeting: $3… 01:47:10.000 --> 01:47:15.000 Meeting: Uh, trip difference? No, what was the number? That's it. Thank you. 01:47:15.000 --> 01:47:19.000 Meeting: 3 hours a time difference. Yeah. 01:47:21.000 --> 01:47:31.000 Meeting: We have two questions, uh, online, and come back to the in-person. They have their hand raised. Oh, yeah. So Jan first, and then Lisa next. All right, go ahead, Jan. 01:47:32.000 --> 01:47:34.000 Jan Wold: And I hope you can hear me again. 01:47:34.000 --> 01:47:36.000 Meeting: We can. 01:47:35.000 --> 01:47:42.000 Jan Wold: Alright, um, I'm assuming you will be doing an environmental impact statement, but I haven't heard anything one way or the other. 01:47:43.000 --> 01:47:47.000 Meeting: Again, a few slides more. 01:47:46.000 --> 01:47:48.000 Jan Wold: Thank you. 01:47:48.000 --> 01:47:50.000 Meeting: Step ahead of us, Jasmine. 01:47:48.000 --> 01:47:50.000 Jan Wold: Great, great answer. 01:47:50.000 --> 01:47:53.000 Meeting: All right, Lisa. 01:47:53.000 --> 01:47:57.000 Lisa C: Hi, I'm looking at the picture of the proposed. 01:47:57.000 --> 01:48:03.000 Lisa C: New landfill or transfer station, I mean and if, if one was gonna. 01:48:00.000 --> 01:48:02.000 Meeting: Mm-hmm. 01:48:03.000 --> 01:48:12.000 Lisa C: take that picture and put it on our current site. It's still… I'm having a hard time wrapping my mind around the fact there's not enough room. 01:48:12.000 --> 01:48:16.000 Lisa C: On our current site, would it actually not fit on our current site? 01:48:17.000 --> 01:48:19.000 Meeting: They would not. 01:48:19.000 --> 01:48:22.000 Meeting: Not even close. Did you get about… 01:48:19.000 --> 01:48:22.000 Lisa C: But I guess… 01:48:25.000 --> 01:48:30.000 Lisa C: What am I looking at though when I'm looking at the map, you know, there's all the area where you drive. 01:48:30.000 --> 01:48:37.000 Lisa C: down to bring the biosolids and stuff, is it because it's on a grade that it couldn't fit? Is that why? 01:48:39.000 --> 01:48:42.000 Meeting: Uh, I think we have to go way back then. 01:48:43.000 --> 01:48:45.000 Meeting: Um… 01:48:46.000 --> 01:48:53.000 Meeting: So this is… so this is 17 acres, Lisa, this plant here that's on… that we're showing? 01:48:50.000 --> 01:48:52.000 Lisa C: Uh-huh. 01:48:53.000 --> 01:48:57.000 Meeting: That's 17 acre footprint. 01:48:57.000 --> 01:49:03.000 Meeting: And then, we only have, combined with the current footprint at the transfer station. 01:49:03.000 --> 01:49:06.000 Meeting: Plus the additional 5 and a half acres. 01:49:06.000 --> 01:49:13.000 Meeting: We're at 12.5 to 13 acres there, so no, this would not fit. 01:49:13.000 --> 01:49:15.000 Lisa C: Okay. 01:49:14.000 --> 01:49:16.000 Meeting: Hmm. 01:49:16.000 --> 01:49:18.000 Lisa C: Thanks. 01:49:17.000 --> 01:49:31.000 Meeting: Thanks, Lisa. Yes, in the back. Okay, but it sounded like, um, sorry. Sounded like, um, you mentioned that the cost for customers… 01:49:31.000 --> 01:49:33.000 Meeting: are pointing. 01:49:33.000 --> 01:49:39.000 Meeting: Somewhere in there, I feel like I did hear you say there's a… 01:49:39.000 --> 01:49:48.000 Meeting: More trips per day to 2 more trips per day from Portal. Did I hear you say that? 01:49:48.000 --> 01:49:50.000 Meeting: Yeah, the question was… 01:49:50.000 --> 01:49:55.000 Meeting: Did I say there were gonna be 2 more trips from Port Townsend to… 01:49:55.000 --> 01:50:01.000 Meeting: the, uh, proposed site of the new facility. Yes, that was discussed. 01:50:01.000 --> 01:50:12.000 Meeting: early in this process, thinking about that, but if that's changed, Joey? So, our trucks are designed to do… they fill up the truck one time, so they start scrubbing. 01:50:12.000 --> 01:50:14.000 Meeting: 600 to 1,000 customers. 01:50:15.000 --> 01:50:20.000 Meeting: So, all the routes we run right now will be the same amount of trypsin. 01:50:20.000 --> 01:50:25.000 Meeting: Okay, but then it's gonna be, uh… 01:50:27.000 --> 01:50:36.000 Meeting: No, so we end our location in Swinn. So instead of coming up Highway 20, we just go out 19 down there. 01:50:37.000 --> 01:50:45.000 Meeting: So we only do one trip a day. Oh, only one per day. So we can service anywhere from 700 to 1,000 customers. 01:50:46.000 --> 01:50:51.000 Meeting: Okay. Can you restate that for me? Sure. 01:50:51.000 --> 01:51:04.000 Meeting: Um, essentially, I misspoke. I was… I was wrong. I was drawing on early discussions with waste conventions, saying, no, it would not increase the number of trips to the transfer station. 01:51:04.000 --> 01:51:06.000 Meeting: Being excited as our nature. 01:51:06.000 --> 01:51:11.000 Meeting: And one truck can service 700 to 1,000 people a day. 01:51:12.000 --> 01:51:14.000 Meeting: That's what Joey just said. 01:51:16.000 --> 01:51:22.000 Meeting: Okay. Anyone else, like, do we have a few more slides to get through? How many more do you think? 01:51:22.000 --> 01:51:30.000 Meeting: Not too many. Okay, we're doing good. We'll have… looks like, why don't we power on, and we'll have an opportunity for more comments and questions at the end. 01:51:31.000 --> 01:51:39.000 Meeting: All right, this is an easy question to answer. Um, all the transfer station customers are gonna pay for. 01:51:39.000 --> 01:51:41.000 Meeting: However much money we borrow. 01:51:42.000 --> 01:51:50.000 Meeting: Get granted loan. However, we put together a financing package for this, ultimately, over 40 years. 01:51:51.000 --> 01:51:56.000 Meeting: All the customers who will pay down those loans, grants, whatever other. 01:51:56.000 --> 01:51:58.000 Meeting: Mechanism we use to finance it. 01:51:58.000 --> 01:52:04.000 Meeting: Because it's an enterprise, it's a business, and so the costs are borne by our customers. 01:52:06.000 --> 01:52:09.000 Meeting: We'll be looking at putting the package together. 01:52:09.000 --> 01:52:15.000 Meeting: Uh, eventually, that includes, you know, um, loans and grants. 01:52:15.000 --> 01:52:22.000 Meeting: Public Trust Board, a whole host of… maybe the Department of Ecology will be… 01:52:22.000 --> 01:52:30.000 Meeting: We're begging and borrowing wherever we can try to reduce the cost to the customer is going to be burning the ticket fee eventually. 01:52:31.000 --> 01:52:33.000 Meeting: Uh, when would it move? 01:52:33.000 --> 01:52:37.000 Meeting: Fast track, 20… 32? 01:52:37.000 --> 01:52:40.000 Meeting: Probably further up from there. 01:52:40.000 --> 01:52:46.000 Meeting: We've got a lot of work to do, and some of the agencies that we'll be working with keep a very different pace than we do. 01:52:46.000 --> 01:52:53.000 Meeting: Um, next steps, uh, based on feedback. 01:52:53.000 --> 01:52:59.000 Meeting: Uh, we'll fine-tune the design. Um, we're also gonna do a peer review on the cheat. 01:52:59.000 --> 01:53:05.000 Meeting: We're simply gonna ask colleagues from across the state, particularly those with a lot of subject matter expertise. 01:53:05.000 --> 01:53:10.000 Meeting: Uh, and recent, uh, expertise in building a new facility. 01:53:11.000 --> 01:53:21.000 Meeting: to review our conceptual design and give us some feedback. Um, we'll be doing cost estimating now that we've got to about 10% design, give or take. 01:53:21.000 --> 01:53:29.000 Meeting: We've got enough to start doing cost estimating, um, and then from that cost estimating, we can start putting together a financing agreement. 01:53:30.000 --> 01:53:32.000 Meeting: Um… go ahead. 01:53:32.000 --> 01:53:37.000 Meeting: So, we're on the groundwork. This is actually… that's the wellhead. Um… 01:53:38.000 --> 01:53:45.000 Meeting: Justin Miskel and I found this, and we also did some wetland delineation studies and trying to find it. 01:53:45.000 --> 01:53:57.000 Meeting: Um, and found all the soils that couldn't support our weight up to our knees. Um, and we finally found it. It was nowhere close to where anybody last remembered it to be. 01:53:57.000 --> 01:54:02.000 Meeting: Um, but now we've kind of pinpointed GPS, um… 01:54:02.000 --> 01:54:07.000 Meeting: So we'll have to do a formal wetland delineation and two, um, one… 01:54:07.000 --> 01:54:14.000 Meeting: online comment, um, that will include consultation with DNR on the question of whether that stream. 01:54:15.000 --> 01:54:21.000 Meeting: Was there, or never was. It's a mapping error, but we'll definitely figure that out. We've got a secure water rate. 01:54:21.000 --> 01:54:28.000 Meeting: Um, fast track, that's 5 years to get the yes from the Department of Ecology, more likely 10. 01:54:28.000 --> 01:54:32.000 Meeting: Um, you can pay extra to get it in 5. 01:54:32.000 --> 01:54:44.000 Meeting: Um, which is quite a racket. And then we've got to secure an easement with Rainier, we've got to do a rezone, we're in discussions with DCD staff on how we do that. 01:54:44.000 --> 01:54:46.000 Meeting: And then, you gotta find the money. 01:54:46.000 --> 01:54:52.000 Meeting: So, just a couple of steps to go before we answer… start a new facility. 01:54:52.000 --> 01:54:57.000 Meeting: Um, where there's gonna be opportunity for public feedback after this meeting. 01:54:57.000 --> 01:54:59.000 Meeting: Next slide. 01:54:59.000 --> 01:55:11.000 Meeting: Um, first we gotta go to the Board of County Commissioners and ask them if they agree with our recommendation, but this should be the future site of a transfer station. Um, that would be done through a resolution, more than likely. 01:55:12.000 --> 01:55:17.000 Meeting: Um, so there'll be a public comment opportunity there. 01:55:17.000 --> 01:55:22.000 Meeting: Then we've got a number of workshops with the Canon Commissioners on. 01:55:22.000 --> 01:55:29.000 Meeting: design, costing, and finance and plan. And then, of course, the public hearing on SEPA. 01:55:30.000 --> 01:55:34.000 Meeting: To the one commenter's question, then. 01:55:36.000 --> 01:55:46.000 Meeting: Any questions? Uh, given the rate of population growth for Jefferson County, have you anticipated how this facility will hold up over time? 01:55:46.000 --> 01:55:53.000 Meeting: Yes. And through the life cycle of the client, the facility, can you expand and accommodate that growth? 01:55:53.000 --> 01:56:09.000 Meeting: And to what end? It's a 37-acre parcel, but part of it has slopes and whatever, uh, other encumbrances, so I assume there's only a certain amount of that area that can be used for growth. That's right. There are substantial setbacks for. 01:56:09.000 --> 01:56:16.000 Meeting: Critical areas on this site, so it's 37 acres, but we've got, with the buffers, only 17 to work with. 01:56:16.000 --> 01:56:29.000 Meeting: Um, we're confident, um, that we can reach a 40-year surface horizon, anticipating that population growth, and the tonnages that would follow, so… 01:56:29.000 --> 01:56:40.000 Meeting: At 40? Somebody else is probably dead. That's my point. Bye. Thank you. 01:56:41.000 --> 01:56:49.000 Meeting: And you see the traffic impacts after you've thought about those quickly. So, people in the safe or towns and have to use directions. 01:56:49.000 --> 01:57:00.000 Meeting: That's great. And, um, we've had a fire that used to plan for, but we won't worry about that today. So, uh, right now, the county, so people not in the city. 01:57:01.000 --> 01:57:05.000 Meeting: budget procurement? 01:57:06.000 --> 01:57:10.000 Meeting: Um, so we service roughly… 01:57:10.000 --> 01:57:18.000 Meeting: 8,000 customers. 8,000 households in the county out of 24,000? 01:57:18.000 --> 01:57:23.000 Meeting: It was previously presented 92.6%. 01:57:23.000 --> 01:57:31.000 Meeting: I'm talking about other worlds. 01:57:32.000 --> 01:57:40.000 Meeting: I think the greater part of the 92.6%, she's an alternative. So Nick, there are… 01:57:40.000 --> 01:57:46.000 Meeting: So, metrics are important, as we discovered through this process. We used to… we talked about population a lot. 01:57:47.000 --> 01:57:53.000 Meeting: But where it comes to service impacts and percentages of customers that are using certain services, households. 01:57:54.000 --> 01:57:58.000 Meeting: There's a better metric to use. So, there's about, um… 01:57:58.000 --> 01:58:03.000 Meeting: County assessor gave me these numbers. No, I think it's closer to 16,000. 01:58:04.000 --> 01:58:10.000 Meeting: 60,000 residences that would be serviced by curbside service. 01:58:11.000 --> 01:58:19.000 Meeting: Roughly. But that is my last question. Do you anticipate in 2032, when this goes open? 01:58:19.000 --> 01:58:24.000 Meeting: That there will be an increased use of county residents in our city. 01:58:24.000 --> 01:58:31.000 Meeting: Using it with services like yours. Will that reduce the traffic of the site that people are going to inspect it? Absolutely. 01:58:32.000 --> 01:58:39.000 Meeting: And that, that factors largely into calculations on greenhouse gas emission reduction. 01:58:39.000 --> 01:58:45.000 Meeting: Sorry, just one, because you've got… right, so you've got one truck substituting for 1,000 vehicles. 01:58:45.000 --> 01:58:54.000 Meeting: So, and as we saw at Grace Harbor, the way that Grace Harbor was able to really contain costs there and reduce their staff, uh. 01:58:54.000 --> 01:59:01.000 Meeting: obligations there was that they… they actually… they had 6 dropbox facilities throughout Grace Harbor. 01:59:01.000 --> 01:59:08.000 Meeting: Mostly remote. Um, the same day that they opened the transfer station, they closed all of those drop offices. 01:59:09.000 --> 01:59:14.000 Meeting: Um, it was a pretty abrupt change in service delivery there, but… 01:59:14.000 --> 01:59:20.000 Meeting: They, you know, it certainly encouraged people to go to curbside service, and they intentionally said that. 01:59:21.000 --> 01:59:26.000 Meeting: Um, at a distance from urban centers. They intentionally made it incoming. 01:59:27.000 --> 01:59:33.000 Meeting: And so, that's how they're able… so the overwhelming majority of the tonnages they receive. 01:59:33.000 --> 01:59:36.000 Meeting: Recompacted in these trucks. 01:59:36.000 --> 01:59:42.000 Meeting: And so they… they do it our peak season, we're doing 450 to 500 customer count days. 01:59:42.000 --> 01:59:45.000 Meeting: At their peak season, they're doing 100. 01:59:46.000 --> 01:59:55.000 Meeting: Just co-mingling, so when they pick up their… go to that counter, they just co-mingle everything with your trash, your bargain, sugar, blow them under your cans, all doing the same thing. 01:59:55.000 --> 02:00:02.000 Meeting: For… for recycling? No, separate business. Oh, that's right. 02:00:03.000 --> 02:00:12.000 Meeting: All right, shall we? Um, has there been any discussion about education, charity enforcement? Because you've got. 02:00:12.000 --> 02:00:22.000 Meeting: people that are gonna not know, that aren't informed. You've got people who, right now, are working really hard to reduce their garbage because they. 02:00:22.000 --> 02:00:29.000 Meeting: recycle, and that's what we've been taught we're supposed to do. Now it's all gonna cost us, so there's going to be people who can't afford that. 02:00:29.000 --> 02:00:38.000 Meeting: And then enforcement. Who's gonna enforce all of the, um, duck trash, and cow, and… I mean, that adds to cost as well. 02:00:40.000 --> 02:00:46.000 Meeting: Uh, I'm a little confused about the last part, in terms of enforcement. 02:00:46.000 --> 02:00:53.000 Meeting: I'm really glad you mentioned that. Um… 02:00:53.000 --> 02:01:00.000 Meeting: But just last week or two weeks ago, we, um, we realized that, uh, public health, which is the. 02:01:00.000 --> 02:01:05.000 Meeting: Which is the government agency that deals with abatement, or responses to illegal dunking. 02:01:06.000 --> 02:01:09.000 Meeting: They've kept a log for very long. 02:01:09.000 --> 02:01:14.000 Meeting: Um, of complaints about agreeable dumping. So, um… 02:01:14.000 --> 02:01:20.000 Meeting: We used to… we didn't know that we had any data to draw from, right? 02:01:20.000 --> 02:01:22.000 Meeting: Probably. 02:01:22.000 --> 02:01:25.000 Meeting: information usage. So, we mapped out the. 02:01:25.000 --> 02:01:30.000 Meeting: the number of complaints about illegal jumping was for, I think it was a 10-year period. 02:01:31.000 --> 02:01:36.000 Meeting: Um, maybe longer. Um, and then we also… 02:01:36.000 --> 02:01:38.000 Meeting: Increased tickets. 02:01:39.000 --> 02:01:49.000 Meeting: Because there should be some correlation, because we've heard in every meeting where we make a revision to service, or change the tipping fee, that we're gonna, you know, be overwhelmed with building a document. 02:01:49.000 --> 02:01:54.000 Meeting: And what the chart shows is no correlation, no causation. 02:01:54.000 --> 02:02:05.000 Meeting: no relationship whatsoever between tipping fee, service revisions, or building block. And there are… and there are huge anomalies in the rate of building the dumping. 02:02:05.000 --> 02:02:13.000 Meeting: complaints over the years. Big spikes when our fee stayed flat for 10 years, when there was a huge spike in illegal dumping. 02:02:14.000 --> 02:02:19.000 Meeting: And then you change the fee upward, and the rate of illegal dumping falls. 02:02:20.000 --> 02:02:28.000 Meeting: So there is no… nothing we could measure that shows a relationship at all to the legal dumping in our piece. Well, I think… 02:02:29.000 --> 02:02:33.000 Meeting: I have a… I don't have a hard time believing that's the daddy. 02:02:33.000 --> 02:02:43.000 Meeting: But I have a hard time believing that that's the solution to the problem, because we do have to leave the government. They're going out every weekend to pick stuff up. There is. 02:02:44.000 --> 02:02:46.000 Meeting: Um, a correlation. 02:02:46.000 --> 02:02:51.000 Meeting: With income and availability to the England. 02:02:51.000 --> 02:02:57.000 Meeting: Um, like me, I have, um, a home-based business. I have a lot of hard work. 02:02:57.000 --> 02:03:04.000 Meeting: I will burn my hardware in my backyard, or I'll pay something. It's, you know, and… 02:03:04.000 --> 02:03:11.000 Meeting: I probably could put 2 on it, like, I could find all kinds of things. 02:03:11.000 --> 02:03:19.000 Meeting: You know, but they're… I'm… I'm a typical printed person. They're not gonna take their part and pay for the donor. 02:03:19.000 --> 02:03:25.000 Meeting: It'll… it'll end up somewhere, whether it's in a, you know, file, or paper, or… 02:03:26.000 --> 02:03:33.000 Meeting: So, Laura, do you want to respond to that? 02:03:33.000 --> 02:03:38.000 Meeting: Um, sure, one thing that, um… Oh, come a little closer, Lawrence, sorry, sorry. 02:03:39.000 --> 02:03:46.000 Meeting: And maybe identify yourself as well. Part of the task force? Actually, not the… not the, not the… 02:03:46.000 --> 02:03:54.000 Meeting: But, um, I do education and outreach for the county. So, to the point about how do people know, we are just sending out, um. 02:03:54.000 --> 02:04:12.000 Meeting: flyers that are going out in everyone's PUD bill, um, that'll be in February, informing about this change. Um, and some… and there's tons of information on the webpage, too, so we're trying to drive people there so that we don't drive you crazy with that flyer. But some good news is, last year, there was a producer responsibility bill passed by the state. 02:04:12.000 --> 02:04:27.000 Meeting: And that is going to put the onus on the folks making the stuff that we're supposed to be recycling and feeling bad if we don't, to pay for that. And there's also… there's a producer responsibility bill in Oregon, California, and British Columbia has one, so we're surrounded by those. 02:04:27.000 --> 02:04:47.000 Meeting: Um, so in 2027, it will drop what we pay for recycling by 25%, and so on, until we're down to paying about 10% of whatever the rate is. And, um, I just live a mile from transfer station. It's a piece of cake for me to take recycling, you know, whenever we want to. But we're gonna get curbside. 02:04:47.000 --> 02:04:58.000 Meeting: because I've seen the data, and how many cars and transportation bits and being on the Climate Action Committee, I want to reduce everybody's carbon footprint as much as possible, so if they can go down our road. 02:04:59.000 --> 02:05:04.000 Meeting: One vehicle versus everybody driving it, um, it's gonna cost me $12.30 a month. 02:05:04.000 --> 02:05:12.000 Meeting: for recycling, but that's going to drop over the next 4 years down to, I don't know, something, um, because of that responsibility bill. 02:05:13.000 --> 02:05:25.000 Meeting: Where does the cardboard go that we recycle currently? Oh, uh, it goes to the ATP. 02:05:25.000 --> 02:05:41.000 Meeting: And don't quote me on this, because I don't want to get into trouble, but I hear there is a drop box at the, um, mill for cardboard, because it might be a little tricky putting it in your recycled bin, and like you said, if you've got a whole lot of cardboard that you create at your business. 02:05:41.000 --> 02:05:49.000 Meeting: Um, I know a couple people that… they said there's a VIN there that you can put your hardware in for free, because it goes straight to the… 02:05:49.000 --> 02:05:59.000 Meeting: to check on that. I don't know that perk. I mean, actually. We've got a question online, we'll go back to Simon. 02:05:59.000 --> 02:06:12.000 Meeting: Which energy-efficient technologies and modern system upgrades are under consideration for the new transfer station? What USDA or other rural energy infrastructure funding opportunities. 02:06:12.000 --> 02:06:19.000 Meeting: might be leveraged, including solar. Are there compatible facilities that demonstrate best practices we can learn from? 02:06:19.000 --> 02:06:23.000 Meeting: And especially if there's from Dignitasite. Oh, especially if they can host it. 02:06:23.000 --> 02:06:27.000 Meeting: Yes, to all of those. 02:06:27.000 --> 02:06:29.000 Meeting: Yep. 02:06:29.000 --> 02:06:35.000 Meeting: Great, that's questions online. Anyone else online that has a question? Raise hand button or comment, and Simon, I think we're next. 02:06:37.000 --> 02:06:44.000 Meeting: There's going to be large capital outlayers. 02:06:45.000 --> 02:06:50.000 Meeting: Or… anyway, that's the large issue, it's… 02:06:50.000 --> 02:07:00.000 Meeting: Can you, from an operator standpoint, give a brief summary of complications of upgrading the current site to be sustained health service? 02:07:00.000 --> 02:07:02.000 Meeting: The operating. 02:07:03.000 --> 02:07:05.000 Meeting: Yeah, uh… 02:07:05.000 --> 02:07:11.000 Meeting: Question is, what are the… what are the challenges to upgrading the new facility. 02:07:11.000 --> 02:07:13.000 Meeting: To meet the… 02:07:13.000 --> 02:07:18.000 Meeting: facility standards at the proposed new site. Um… 02:07:19.000 --> 02:07:21.000 Meeting: Well, we couldn't, because it's not big enough. 02:07:23.000 --> 02:07:32.000 Meeting: Right, but just for the people who… I mean, that's part of it, but in terms of if we try to expand while it's an offerings, made a comment that. 02:07:32.000 --> 02:07:36.000 Meeting: Oh, right, right. 02:07:36.000 --> 02:07:41.000 Meeting: Well, yeah, you can't rebuild an engine mileage room. It would be, um… 02:07:41.000 --> 02:07:43.000 Meeting: Organized chaos. 02:07:43.000 --> 02:07:48.000 Meeting: At best, to try to build a new facility while we're operating that one. 02:07:48.000 --> 02:07:50.000 Meeting: Um… 02:07:51.000 --> 02:07:53.000 Meeting: I wouldn't do it. 02:07:53.000 --> 02:07:58.000 Meeting: I mean, I quit. There's no way. 02:07:58.000 --> 02:08:04.000 Meeting: It'd be really challenging, and if people are upset about the proposal. 02:08:04.000 --> 02:08:09.000 Meeting: Put one at SR19. Where do you hear the comments when we try to… 02:08:09.000 --> 02:08:14.000 Meeting: Build a new facility next to one that's operating. With the wait times, and… 02:08:14.000 --> 02:08:17.000 Meeting: Yeah, it'd be an absolute nightmare. 02:08:17.000 --> 02:08:24.000 Meeting: If the current site was decommissioned, would you have any thoughts of what that would be? 02:08:30.000 --> 02:08:48.000 Meeting: The Unicorn Rescue center. What are… I mean, there's… yeah, what are the other possible uses if… once the new transfer station is completed? Oh, that's… yeah, I mean, obviously, biosolids facility is going to stay there, the recycling center's gonna be there. 02:08:49.000 --> 02:08:51.000 Meeting: Um, there's a number of… 02:08:52.000 --> 02:08:54.000 Meeting: Yeah, there's… there's it. 02:08:54.000 --> 02:08:57.000 Meeting: I mean, it's a lot of infrastructure to build. 02:08:58.000 --> 02:09:05.000 Meeting: Um, to be… be fair, uh, to staff, our focus is on what needs to be. 02:09:06.000 --> 02:09:14.000 Meeting: built to replace that facility. I leave it up to the community and the Lord County Commissioners to determine best and highest use of. 02:09:14.000 --> 02:09:17.000 Meeting: You know, a partially abandoned facility. 02:09:18.000 --> 02:09:25.000 Meeting: Goats. We've got about 100 goats out there. 02:09:25.000 --> 02:09:27.000 Meeting: Got enough notes. That's true. 02:09:28.000 --> 02:09:32.000 Meeting: Is that what I'm lined here? 02:09:32.000 --> 02:09:42.000 Meeting: Alright, what will become… oh, that's the same question we just answered. What will become in the current facility? Anyone else online? Hit the raise hand button. Any other questions or comments in the room? Sure. 02:09:42.000 --> 02:09:48.000 Meeting: Back to the existing Port Townsend biomass facility, we currently pay. 02:09:48.000 --> 02:09:55.000 Meeting: to the county scale down yard waste, correct? That's correct. If… and you told me you're going to repurpose those. 02:09:55.000 --> 02:10:00.000 Meeting: 2022 scales… are those scales going to the new facility, or are they going to be… 02:10:00.000 --> 02:10:16.000 Meeting: No, they're going… oh, the ones that are there? Yeah. No, they're going to a scrap yard. Oh. They were… they were 6 years old when we started the facility in 93, or 93. Sorry, the new scales we put on the… Oh, no, I'm sorry, that's right. No, the new scales will come with us. 02:10:16.000 --> 02:10:24.000 Meeting: So, a week… when you came might be time to drop off yard waste? How's that gonna work for the cloud now? You can ask that guy right there. 02:10:25.000 --> 02:10:40.000 Meeting: Let's restate the question. What happens to the… if the facility moves, and there's no scale for the biosolids facility and to drop off yard waste to go with it? That's a great question. List and I, listen, the operator of Waste Water System, talked about probably the. 02:10:41.000 --> 02:10:45.000 Meeting: A bombing basis, instead of trying to operate a scale. 02:10:45.000 --> 02:10:55.000 Meeting: So, just for the answer from Steve King is probably they would move to a volume-based, uh, basis of intake. Alright, we have a question online? 02:10:55.000 --> 02:11:05.000 Meeting: Um, side, smaller scale food compost business, are there plans to scale up municipal composting operations, including food waste? 02:11:06.000 --> 02:11:11.000 Meeting: Uh… yes, I mean, we're doing the pilot project. 02:11:11.000 --> 02:11:13.000 Meeting: with, uh, Return to Earth. 02:11:14.000 --> 02:11:16.000 Meeting: Uh… and… 02:11:17.000 --> 02:11:21.000 Meeting: You know, based on that operations. 02:11:21.000 --> 02:11:25.000 Meeting: We'll figure out if we can scale it up. 02:11:25.000 --> 02:11:27.000 Meeting: For sure. Um… 02:11:27.000 --> 02:11:34.000 Meeting: We mentioned at the last SWAC meeting, we're being our decentralized food waste. 02:11:34.000 --> 02:11:41.000 Meeting: Um, diversion programs being featured in the Department of Ecology and looked at counties on. 02:11:42.000 --> 02:11:50.000 Meeting: how to cost-effectively, um, address climate change. So, that was a program we started back in 2009. 02:11:50.000 --> 02:11:59.000 Meeting: Um, just encouraging people to, uh, manage their own food waste in their own backyard, or neighborhood scale community gardens. Um… 02:11:59.000 --> 02:12:06.000 Meeting: Really cost effective, because you're not building a capital-intensive and energy-intensive facility. 02:12:06.000 --> 02:12:11.000 Meeting: And you're not creating one-house gasoline's transportation. 02:12:11.000 --> 02:12:16.000 Meeting: We did greenhouse gas emission calculations on, like, uh. 02:12:16.000 --> 02:12:24.000 Meeting: A fixed facility, centralized composting facility, and if the new transportation legs deliver the materials merely offset. 02:12:24.000 --> 02:12:30.000 Meeting: The greenhouse gas emission reduction of building the facility, but with a huge cost. 02:12:32.000 --> 02:12:40.000 Meeting: I'm like. 02:12:40.000 --> 02:12:45.000 Meeting: Unlikely it would be co-located a transfer station. 02:12:45.000 --> 02:12:49.000 Meeting: So, you'll still take it to the table. Correct, yes. 02:12:50.000 --> 02:12:57.000 Meeting: Um, if we wouldn't have put all these other things on a piece of property, would it have been big enough for the… 02:12:58.000 --> 02:13:00.000 Meeting: in the world. 02:13:00.000 --> 02:13:06.000 Meeting: I'm sorry, what do you mean? Transfer station, could we redo this transfer station if we didn't have the biosolids facility? 02:13:06.000 --> 02:13:13.000 Meeting: No, we'd still be short, Rich, and, and you can't… 02:13:14.000 --> 02:13:21.000 Meeting: You'd still have to build the new road coming down Gun Club Road. The circulation would need to be improved, so you'd have to have. 02:13:21.000 --> 02:13:23.000 Meeting: Uh, you know… 02:13:24.000 --> 02:13:29.000 Meeting: These are asking from an opposite direction from where you went in. 02:13:30.000 --> 02:13:34.000 Meeting: Um, so it would be a mile and a half of… 02:13:34.000 --> 02:13:40.000 Meeting: Uh, improve Gun Club Road plus new road to get into the facility, and then… 02:13:40.000 --> 02:13:49.000 Meeting: It would be really tricky to figure out how it would impact the biosolids facility operation. You'd have to do a really convoluted loop. 02:13:49.000 --> 02:13:52.000 Meeting: To make it work. Um… 02:13:52.000 --> 02:13:58.000 Meeting: Lily, you've spent hours looking at that site and trying to figure out how to make it work. 02:13:59.000 --> 02:14:05.000 Meeting: And we just couldn't go there. Um, and again, all the meeting materials, all that back and forth. 02:14:06.000 --> 02:14:09.000 Meeting: The consultant staff and the task force is all on one. 02:14:09.000 --> 02:14:12.000 Meeting: So, now, what… 02:14:12.000 --> 02:14:14.000 Meeting: What is the do nothing alternative? 02:14:15.000 --> 02:14:18.000 Meeting: Um… hour wait times. 02:14:19.000 --> 02:14:22.000 Meeting: And… periodic closures? 02:14:22.000 --> 02:14:28.000 Meeting: Unannounced on the anticipated closures as… as the, um… 02:14:28.000 --> 02:14:32.000 Meeting: Facility falls down around us, and what's going on on us. 02:14:32.000 --> 02:14:35.000 Meeting: It's 33 years, it's a contact sport. 02:14:35.000 --> 02:14:42.000 Meeting: Um, you know, uh, this is a garden. Um, so if the facility. 02:14:42.000 --> 02:14:45.000 Meeting: is worn out. 02:14:45.000 --> 02:14:52.000 Meeting: Every… everywhere we look. You can stand on the queuing space where you make the turn, the… 02:14:52.000 --> 02:14:58.000 Meeting: Back in, um, you can do a 360, and you can see. 02:14:58.000 --> 02:15:02.000 Meeting: $4 million worth of repairs that need to be made. 02:15:03.000 --> 02:15:06.000 Meeting: So, we rolled ahead. 02:15:06.000 --> 02:15:14.000 Meeting: And we have an investigator, right? We focused on the level of service that we've measured as the same as Seattle, in Canada. 02:15:14.000 --> 02:15:16.000 Meeting: That's where we put our money. 02:15:17.000 --> 02:15:22.000 Meeting: Right, so we basically paid for an exceptional, an urban level. 02:15:22.000 --> 02:15:27.000 Meeting: Of service against the capital needs of that facility. 02:15:27.000 --> 02:15:29.000 Meeting: And perhaps, yes, we won't. 02:15:30.000 --> 02:15:35.000 Meeting: Another comment about how many slides? We're over 60 seconds. We're done. No, there's more slides. Oh, there's more slides? 02:15:36.000 --> 02:15:38.000 Meeting: Oh, it's just… 02:15:38.000 --> 02:15:47.000 Meeting: All right, uh, let's look at the question online, and we'll go to Jim, and then we'll kind of get the next steps. 02:15:47.000 --> 02:16:00.000 Meeting: Uh, the question is, will the yard and food waste projects be combined with solid waste for a finished product? Will the compost be tested on a regular basis for heavy metals, hazardous chemicals, and forever plastics before being sold to the public? 02:16:01.000 --> 02:16:07.000 Meeting: I think we're talking about the biosolids, the yard waste, it sounds like. 02:16:07.000 --> 02:16:15.000 Meeting: I missed that. And food waste lab. Will the yard and food waste projects be combined? So, are we… 02:16:15.000 --> 02:16:20.000 Meeting: So, the answer is no, the yard and food waste will not be combined separately. 02:16:20.000 --> 02:16:23.000 Meeting: Right. The feed socks are totally different, the… 02:16:23.000 --> 02:16:29.000 Meeting: I mean, there's a lot of similarities in the thermophilic process, but the City of Port Townsend has. 02:16:29.000 --> 02:16:39.000 Meeting: Really dialed in how to do biosolids, and we don't want to interfere with that or introduce a new feedstock that can, you know, really trip up that operation. 02:16:39.000 --> 02:16:45.000 Meeting: So, and it serves a different purpose by the wastewater treatment facility, whereas this is… 02:16:45.000 --> 02:16:51.000 Meeting: You know, a pilot project that's gonna service curbside customers for fleet racing. 02:16:52.000 --> 02:16:58.000 Meeting: Yes, sir. What is the advantage of going to single screen. 02:16:58.000 --> 02:17:05.000 Meeting: Selection for recyclables, rather than have customers separate cycling. 02:17:05.000 --> 02:17:13.000 Meeting: The question was, um, what's the advantage of going to a single stream versus source separation? 02:17:13.000 --> 02:17:18.000 Meeting: So we are, um… after April 1st, there will only be… 02:17:18.000 --> 02:17:23.000 Meeting: One-third of one county that does source separation. 02:17:23.000 --> 02:17:30.000 Meeting: Um, every other county that does recycling, they move to single stream or dual stream, or glass out, there's a number. 02:17:30.000 --> 02:17:34.000 Meeting: descriptors for the program. Basically, most of the material goes in there. 02:17:34.000 --> 02:17:39.000 Meeting: The reason for that is there's big gains in operational efficiency. 02:17:39.000 --> 02:17:46.000 Meeting: Um, we held onto a source-separated program long after almost everybody else in the state. 02:17:46.000 --> 02:17:51.000 Meeting: moved away from that. We were under the impression that they had a higher quantity value, which was. 02:17:52.000 --> 02:17:57.000 Meeting: Normally got a higher commodity value for it, but even that's starting to slip. 02:17:57.000 --> 02:18:06.000 Meeting: When we… when staff visited the material recovery facility in Perala, what we saw was our store separator, a beautiful. 02:18:06.000 --> 02:18:20.000 Meeting: relatively low contamination rate materials be dumped on the floor, and then, um, King County's bumped on top of single screens, and then run through the process. 02:18:21.000 --> 02:18:27.000 Meeting: So, there was no advantage to us continuing to ask our customers to separate it. 02:18:27.000 --> 02:18:34.000 Meeting: since it was mingled with every other municipality's single-stream materials. So it's eventually separated. 02:18:34.000 --> 02:18:39.000 Meeting: Uh, mechanically downstream. Correct. Okay. Thank you. 02:18:39.000 --> 02:18:41.000 Meeting: You bathroom's my cage. 02:18:42.000 --> 02:18:44.000 Meeting: The banker in the back? 02:18:46.000 --> 02:18:57.000 Meeting: I know the current… and that's, like, part of the problems with the weights over the years. Um, it's just hard to get people in and out. 02:18:57.000 --> 02:18:59.000 Meeting: This is such a short term. 02:18:59.000 --> 02:19:05.000 Meeting: Is the new facility gonna help alleviate that if? So now we're talking about tonnage increase. 02:19:05.000 --> 02:19:17.000 Meeting: there's a track that we place our dispatch can't attack the cell wall. So, are we still gonna… 02:19:17.000 --> 02:19:23.000 Meeting: is this facility still to help alleviate the same time we have now, it saves the transit. 02:19:24.000 --> 02:19:28.000 Meeting: Yes, it could… it could handle that increase in traffic. 02:19:29.000 --> 02:19:36.000 Meeting: Um, by design. We're at 10%, but we've done all those calculations. Um… 02:19:36.000 --> 02:19:47.000 Meeting: and then we're forecasting a certain percentage drop in the cell phone customers that do apply now, so it's kind of… we start at that point, right? Like, how many… 02:19:47.000 --> 02:19:50.000 Meeting: How many habitual self-off customers? 02:19:50.000 --> 02:19:55.000 Meeting: Two bags, since we fetched to the problem, and if we see leakage, how many will… 02:19:56.000 --> 02:20:02.000 Meeting: Subscribe to curbside service, and then you start at that number and work your way up in terms of population health. 02:20:03.000 --> 02:20:08.000 Meeting: Right? And we're there. We saved for the users. 02:20:09.000 --> 02:20:12.000 Meeting: I've got a longer chat, and then we'll go back to you. 02:20:12.000 --> 02:20:18.000 Meeting: Um, so this is a bit of a repeat of my first question, I'm not sure if you have answers, I apologize. 02:20:18.000 --> 02:20:24.000 Meeting: Um, if you were to solve the lot at the portal transfer facility. 02:20:24.000 --> 02:20:32.000 Meeting: How long could that facility long for, as it is today, if he could solve the… if he could defer the wrong way. 02:20:32.000 --> 02:20:35.000 Meeting: Self residential question out of Bohem. 02:20:35.000 --> 02:20:37.000 Meeting: How long could that facility work? 02:20:38.000 --> 02:20:45.000 Meeting: I couldn't predict that. I could… I could tell you that it'd be less than $4 million. 02:20:45.000 --> 02:20:54.000 Meeting: it's $3 million, because I believe 700-something of that was kind of obligated to sign something contract. Right. So, it's $3 million-something, but… 02:20:54.000 --> 02:21:03.000 Meeting: From, like, just the volume load and place, how long did that facility hamper the walk with us? I couldn't really predict that. 02:21:04.000 --> 02:21:06.000 Meeting: But… 02:21:06.000 --> 02:21:10.000 Meeting: It's important that we're asking ourselves the right questions. 02:21:10.000 --> 02:21:14.000 Meeting: And I don't think that's the right question. I think the right question is… 02:21:14.000 --> 02:21:20.000 Meeting: Where can a facility get us for 40 years? And that's the question with the task force. 02:21:20.000 --> 02:21:27.000 Meeting: Ask, and that's what staff is delivering, is that conceptual design. 02:21:27.000 --> 02:21:31.000 Meeting: That site is a good investment. 02:21:31.000 --> 02:21:38.000 Meeting: Whereas, continually investing in capital outlays to maintain a 33-wheeler facility. 02:21:38.000 --> 02:21:48.000 Meeting: is a foreign investment. We have a responsibility to invest in our customers when we want to serve. How do you know it can't get to 4 years if you don't know how far it can sit? 02:21:49.000 --> 02:21:52.000 Meeting: You're right, it might be almost 4 years. 02:21:52.000 --> 02:22:03.000 Meeting: I don't know that it can't last another 4 years. Let me just take a pause here real quick, just to talk about next steps a little bit, you know, as we are almost out of time today. 02:22:03.000 --> 02:22:19.000 Meeting: Yeah, I'll come right back to you. I just want to take a pause. We don't need to, uh… we'd love to hear your comments. This is not the last opportunity to give input on the decisions that are going to come in front of us, whether it's the final site location, which we have a recommendation from staff. 02:22:19.000 --> 02:22:31.000 Meeting: this is the sharing of that. This is the first time I've seen the proposed layout of the facility, so we have not built this facility. We're starting to… we're starting to, um, to plant, and this plan has got a… 02:22:31.000 --> 02:22:42.000 Meeting: you know, a 5-year if everything falls into place as perfectly as it can. So, um, I guess, I think with the last remaining time, I'd like to focus on. 02:22:42.000 --> 02:22:54.000 Meeting: clarified questions, trying to understand what the proposal is, and we would love to hear at the POCC your comments, your thoughts about this idea as we move forward. And then we'll go over to you. 02:22:55.000 --> 02:23:05.000 Meeting: Uh, just clarification, as, uh, turn lanes and merged lanes incorporate, because there's going to be a lot of traffic coming and going there, are they in that state? 02:23:05.000 --> 02:23:15.000 Meeting: responsibility? Oh, uh, I'm sorry, you… are you talking about at the proposed new set? Yes. Yes, sir. Yes, the question was, would turn lanes. 02:23:15.000 --> 02:23:21.000 Meeting: Um, be incorporating that? Yes, definitely, and that will be in collaboration with. 02:23:21.000 --> 02:23:25.000 Meeting: uh, DOT washed out will tell us what we need to build. 02:23:25.000 --> 02:23:31.000 Meeting: Roundabouts, probably. 02:23:31.000 --> 02:23:39.000 Meeting: All right. That was my question is. They won't come back after you present a plan and say, great place for a roundabout. 02:23:39.000 --> 02:23:53.000 Meeting: I mean, luckily, this one, there's one, like, a quarter mile away, so we're like, who we got it? But who knows? They won't pay for whatever improvements, uh, they say are needed. A turn lane, likely, that's gonna… 02:23:53.000 --> 02:23:56.000 Meeting: On the shoulders of the project, yes. 02:23:56.000 --> 02:24:03.000 Meeting: I'd just like to make a statement after listening to all of this. Um, I used to work at a transit station about 4 years ago. 02:24:03.000 --> 02:24:11.000 Meeting: And I can say that this new facility is written. Um, I have no vested interest in, you know, idolinker anymore. 02:24:12.000 --> 02:24:14.000 Meeting: Um, the… 02:24:15.000 --> 02:24:20.000 Meeting: Trying to keep the current facility going on the inside of them. 02:24:20.000 --> 02:24:28.000 Meeting: And what's going wrong. And some things are going right. Um, there's some things that have been improved, but it's like trying to change the customer. 02:24:28.000 --> 02:24:34.000 Meeting: It's a very rusty car. We don't know how long that car is going to put together, and if something fails. 02:24:34.000 --> 02:24:41.000 Meeting: We have a really big problem if we don't have such a reserves. If that facility really needs to be replaced. 02:24:41.000 --> 02:24:45.000 Meeting: Yeah, it's not crazy. 02:24:55.000 --> 02:25:04.000 Meeting: Alright, uh, just to restate, former employee at the transfer station, uh, thanks a much-needed project, it's like painting a rusty car. 02:25:04.000 --> 02:25:10.000 Meeting: One last question online, and then, uh, we maybe will turn it back to Al for wrap-up. 02:25:10.000 --> 02:25:15.000 Meeting: Oh, what might be the cost of the new facility at the proposed sites? Ballpark figures? 02:25:15.000 --> 02:25:31.000 Meeting: Sure, between 8.1 and 20 million, somewhere in there. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. We will know… 02:25:31.000 --> 02:25:39.000 Meeting: Soon, what a reasonable estimate would be, and projecting out to where we break ground, you know. 02:25:39.000 --> 02:25:44.000 Meeting: Um, with a cost escalator in there, right? Um… 02:25:45.000 --> 02:25:51.000 Meeting: So, yeah, we have some, uh, some real talent with the consultant that we selected. 02:25:51.000 --> 02:25:57.000 Meeting: Um, and so I have… I have a lot of faith that they'll get us a good number to start working from. 02:25:58.000 --> 02:26:02.000 Meeting: But I won't… I won't… I'm almost guessed, I just don't believe it. 02:26:03.000 --> 02:26:10.000 Meeting: Alright, it's about time to wrap up. Al, you mentioned the bills that you're tracking, and that there were two that… 02:26:10.000 --> 02:26:20.000 Meeting: potentially directly affected the design. Can you just give us the building for something? House Bill 1420, it's a textile. 02:26:20.000 --> 02:26:25.000 Meeting: DPR bill, apparently, it might come with some, uh… 02:26:25.000 --> 02:26:28.000 Meeting: OP plan amendment requirements? Yeah. 02:26:28.000 --> 02:26:30.000 Meeting: Okay. 02:26:30.000 --> 02:26:37.000 Meeting: Um, and then there's a container deposit bill, the bottle bill. 02:26:38.000 --> 02:26:42.000 Meeting: The missing model bill over the last 20 years, and that's House Bill 1607. 02:26:43.000 --> 02:26:48.000 Meeting: Uh, that might require us to, uh, build kiosks. 02:26:49.000 --> 02:26:54.000 Meeting: Uh, around the county, but we want them more particular at the transfer station. 02:26:54.000 --> 02:26:58.000 Meeting: that feature, uh, uh, deposit back? 02:26:58.000 --> 02:27:04.000 Meeting: Um, so you can imagine warm-up areas on how well that's gonna work. 02:27:04.000 --> 02:27:17.000 Meeting: Yeah, and then derelict vessels, too, that might obligate us to, uh, something there in terms of design that's House Bill 21. 02:27:17.000 --> 02:27:19.000 Meeting: 100%. 02:27:20.000 --> 02:27:35.000 Meeting: All right, so I'll kind of reiterate next steps? What's the cadence the public and the DOCC can expect to get to the next steps, the talks about design and timeline? Yeah, I think probably next step would be a workshop with the DOCC. 02:27:36.000 --> 02:27:41.000 Meeting: in a week or two, just to discuss what was discussed here, and uh… 02:27:41.000 --> 02:27:48.000 Meeting: Gauge your enthusiasm for, um, you know, formally adopting the site as feature owners? 02:27:48.000 --> 02:27:54.000 Meeting: my resolution or some other, um, some other means. So, you'll want to, um… 02:27:54.000 --> 02:27:57.000 Meeting: Just get some feedback. 02:27:58.000 --> 02:28:03.000 Meeting: That would probably be the next opportunity for public comment. 02:28:03.000 --> 02:28:10.000 Meeting: And then… and then should the, uh, Commission agree with staff's recommendation, then we'll bring forward that, uh. 02:28:10.000 --> 02:28:14.000 Meeting: Resolution. And then we're off and running. 02:28:14.000 --> 02:28:16.000 Meeting: Right? So, uh… 02:28:16.000 --> 02:28:27.000 Meeting: Comments to the Commissioners can be sent to jeffBOCC at co.jefferson.squa.us, and we'll be publishing, uh. 02:28:27.000 --> 02:28:38.000 Meeting: This slide deck on the website, as well as publishing, you know, when we're going to have that workshop in open session, it'll be recorded and viewable in real time or after time. 02:28:40.000 --> 02:28:43.000 Meeting: Any last thoughts? 02:28:44.000 --> 02:28:49.000 Meeting: All right, well, I'll take it out. 02:28:51.000 --> 02:28:56.000 Meeting: You know, we do want to communicate with people.