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Jefferson County Marine Resources Committee
Minutes
Tuesday, July 23, 2002
Present:
Judy Damore, District 1
Anne Murphy, District 2
David Jenkins, District 2
Larry Lawson, Commercial Fishing
Judy Surber, City of Port Townsend
Richard Wojt, Jefferson County Commissioners
Absent:
Yarn Brooks, Marine Science Practitioner excused
Larry Crockett, ex-officio, Port of Port Townsend excused
Jeff Gallant, District 1
Spike Hall, District 3 (Vice Chair) excused
Bill Kalina, ex-officio, U.S. Navy, Indian Island excused
Andrew Palmer, District 3 (Chair) excused
Rex Rice, Environment
Dave Christensen, Jefferson County Natural Resources
Staff/Guests:
Pat Pearson, WSU Cooperative Extension
Barbara Nightingale
Joanna Sanders, MRC Meeting Secretary
OPENING BUSINESS
Acting Chair Anne Murphy called the meeting to order at 7:05 PM in the Madrona Room, at the WSU
Cooperative Extension, Port Hadlock, Washington. Minutes of the July 23, 2002 meeting were approved as
written.
INTRODUCTION
Pat Buller Pearson, WSU/Cooperative Extension: New MRC staff support Pat Pearson introduced herself
and provided a brief background on her past role as pollution director for the Puget Sound Keeper Alliance.
Since joining the MRC in late June, her highest priority has been getting the contracts finalized for the Habitat
Stewardship and Olympia Oyster projects. There was a question whether there is money in the budget for
website updates and whether WSU might be a more appropriate link for the MRC website than the County.
There was also interest in WSU's ability to assist the MRC with technical support, possibly even with a virtual
office. Pat Pearson and Larry Lawson agreed to schedule a meeting to discuss website possibilities.
OBSERVER COMMENT ~ None
OLD BUSINESS
Fair Booths - Jefferson County Fair & Low Tide Fest: Members discussed possible coordination with
NOSC on a booth. Suggestions for engaging the public were DNR flyover videos, Puget Sound Water Quality
Action Team near shore processes (Judy Surber), and colorful priority habitat maps. It was thought to be
premature to recruit volunteers for the Habitat Stewardship or Olympia Oyster projects. The Fair
subcommittee will meet at the Waterman Katz office on July 29th at 6:30 pm. Dave Jenkins agreed to
contact Paula Mackrow of NOSC about coordinating booth coverage. Joanna Sanders agreed to check
with Jeff Gallant about a fair sign-up sheet and logistics. Judy Surber agreed to help on the
subcommittee.
Geoduck Report: Larry Lawson reported that discussions about the DNR Geoduck program with bidders
revealed there is wastage from illegal sampling, and wastage and cheating through upgrading or high-grading.
Although the resource remains healthy, poaching appears to be a big problem. This may be in large part
because divers can only go to 70 feet and geoduck have to be close together to be commercially viable. He
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believes changes in the way DNR's manages the resource such as assessing the value of the tract, giving the
margin of profit for the harvester, and establishing a lottery system would eliminate wastage, allow monitoring
of geoduck, and make the system more sensible. He inquired ahout the level of MRC interest in pursuing this
topic. One suggestion was that this might be a good project for a thesis from which the MRC could choose to
make a recommendation to DNR. There was also some interest in hearing from Fish and Wildlife about the
total impact to the population, whether geoduck have a role in pumping water and filtering plankton, and in
DNR's procedures for putting tracts out to bid. A suggestion was to send out a list of questions and concerns to
the Point Whitney shellfish lab and other experts to see if they think it is a problem, before investigating what
would be involved in recommending DNR policy changes. Larry Lawson agreed to contact Alex Bradbury
of the Point Whitney shellfish lab to solicit his feedback on resource concerns.
NEW BUSINESS & REPORTS
Northwest Straits Commission Report: The Orca Pass vote information went to the MRC via email. Terry
Williams is to present at the next meeting on the tribal perspective. The Derelict Gear project was initiated by
pulling out the purse seine net, photos of which are on the Commission's website. The Commission has
appropriated another $20K to do education and outreach on derelict gear. Larry Lawson requested there be
biological information collected about the nets and documentation of the damage. Tim Smith is still providing
good updates from Fish and Wildlife. Doug Dobyns is going to be presenting to MRCs on U&As. He has also
finished his scope of work for the first year and would like tribal involvement in the next scope to be project
specific. The Northwest Straits Commission newsletter was distrihuted. Remaining copies are for the fair
booth and other uses. Anne Murphy will provide some to WSU. She noted a typographical error regarding
oyster seeding, which actually should have listed Skagit instead of Jefferson County. While this issue targeted
citizens, the next edition will be aimed at legislators. She polled the entire MRC about training topics for the
fall conference, returning the following suggestions: (1) protection is not a dirty word/impediments to
protection (politics, lifestyles, ignorance about impacts, fear of unknown, fear some other interest group will
benefit at their expense, status quo - fear of change, economic hardship); (2) sessions on little successes; (3)
show success stories of MP As.
Hiriug Committee Report - Habitat Stewardship & Olympia Oyster Projects: Barbara Nightingale was
hired as the contractor for these projects. The subcommittee will work up final contract, which needs to be
revised to include the Olympia Oyster Project.
Habitat Stewardship Project: Judy Damore reported that there was a subcommittee meeting today to slightly
modify and finalize the scope of work. She noted that Barbara Nightingale has assembled a lot of good data
from her work on the limiting factors analysis with priority habitats and species. Beginning in September, they
will look at areas identified in the MP A focus groups (Killisut Harbor, Thorndyke, Quilcene, Dabob,
Chimacum Creek, Discovery Bay). After eliminating some sites based on whether there is potential for them to
be positively impacted, scientific advisors would address the remaining sites as well as provide input about
other areas they feel were omitted. The expected outcome is a map with identification of the problems and
risks. From that information with the help of the MRC, one or two priority sites would be identified. As site
recommendations come forward, the MRC would receive a presentation and have the opportunity to provide
input on potential problems and risks. Anne Murphy agreed to ask the Straits Commission whether an
grant extension might be possible. There was some concern about whether an extension would also delay
submitting a letter of intent on the next grant.
Olympia Oyster Restoration Projects: Anne Murphy will set up meetings with contractor Barbara
Nightingale and Betsy Peabody. A possible seeding date is August 9, which might involve Betsy and one
other MRC member. Property owners expressed concern about the tribes doing the monitoring. Judy Surber
offered to provide a report on a 1992 survey about public perceptions on aquaculture.
Discussion of Speaker/Presenter for September: Ideas submitted to date are 1) a NOSe map review, 2)
dialogue about the Fred Hill Shine project, 3) zone management system on MP As. There was an expanded
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discussion regarding a meeting format for hearing more ahout the Fred Hill project presentation, with
education about marine risks and clarification of issues among the desired outcomes, It was noted that the
application received hy the County is to change the designation on 6,000 acres from forest to mineral land.
Because the Comprehensive Plan indicates that the proposed area is accessible for mining, it is likely the
County will change the designation. There was interest in letting Fred Hill know of the MRC existence and
concerns, such as the long~term risk to marine habitat recoverable and nonrecoverable and affects to
groundwater. The desire was to approach the parties about their interest in presenting to the MRC (Fred Hill
and Hood Canal Coalition), but prior to that inviting Randy Kline to explain the permitting process, There was
also interest in getting an update/input on Fred Hill's participation in beach restoration efforts. Pat Pearson
agreed to contact Randy Kline about coming to the September MRC meeting to discuss the Fred Hill
Shine project.
OTHERlADMINISTRA TIVE
Judy Damore invited the MRC to go on a trip on the Mendes, which is used for scientific research and
education. She will try to coordinate a good date over the list serve.
PREPARE AGENDA / ADJOURN
The next meeting is tentatively scheduled on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 at 7:00 PM in the Madrona Room,
Port Hadlock, Washington. The meeting adjourned at 9:20 PM.
MARINE RESOURCES COMMITTEE
Anne Murphy, Acting Chair