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HomeMy WebLinkAboutM061890 11 ...................... ..................... ...................... ;jj¡¡;jttt~{~;;~~i)~j~j~~:::: .. ...... ... ...... ... ..... .. .... ........ .......... .... ............"....,...... ..............'.'.................. ........ ........ .................. .................. .................. .... .................. .................. .................. .., .... ....... ..... .- .. KJ:JfUTBS WEEK OF JUNE 18, 1990 The meeting was called to order at the appointed time by Chairman George C. Brown. Commissioner B.G. Brown and Commissioner Larry W. Dennison were both present. Joe Busey. President. Brinnon seniors of Brinnon re: Brinnon Senior Center Funding: Joe Busey, President of the Brinnon Seniors of Brinnon presented the Board with a list of questions regarding the funding of the Brinnon Senior Center. #1 Spread sheets from Treasurer indicate no income from motel. Anne Sears reported that the motel receipts go directly into a Motel Fund and a transfer is made from that fund to the Brinnon Seniors account as needed. Commissioner Dennison advised that the bottomline is that the Senior Center has enough funding to run their programs. #2 Is the 1989 contract with Community Action still valid? Commissioner B.G. Brown reported that the County doesn't have a contract with Community Action. The Board will check into the proper way to extended the contract with the Brinnon Seniors. The Senior Center has a budget for funding which they are given in quarterly payments by the county. #3 Now that the Public Works Department is in the Driver's seat, do we have a valid contract with them? Commissioner Dennison explained that any contract with the County is made through the Board of Commissioners. #4 What happened to the $30,000 left in the account when CAC turned the Center over to the County? commissioner B. G . Brown stated he is sure this money is still in the Brinnon Seniors account. #5 Can we get spread sheets to show motel operations? The Public Works Department now tracks the motel receipts and they can provide a spreadsheet wi th this information. Mr. Busey asked if the quarterly paYments can be sent out automati- cally. Anne Sears requested that the Brinnon Seniors submit a letter requesting the quarterly paYment. Ole Brekke submitted an information sheet on the funds that have been received by the ..VCil ~ (I. Or'r J..'U rA('~ ~) 4l::7 commissioner's Meeting Minutes: Week of June 18, 1990 Page: 2 Brinnon Senior Organization since its inception in 1988. Commis- sioner Dennison stated that the Senior Center is budgeted an amount every year from the County and they are given that amount whether the motel makes money or not. Ole Brekke added that the original grant proposal stated that in the first five years the profits from the motel would have to go into maintenance and repair of the building, but after that the profits were to go to the Senior Center. The Board asked that information on how much money the county has spent for repair and maintenance of the motel be provided to the Brinnon Senior Or- ganization. The Public Works Department can send an accounting of the motel income and expenses to the Brinnon Seniors. PUBLIC WORKS HEARING re: Aoolication for Franchise: Installation of Seotic System Service Connections on County Road Riahts-of-way: Gardiner Beach Road (400 feet): Gary BandY. ApQlicant: Seventeen interested citizens were present when Public Works Administrative Secretary, Eileen Simon, reported that this application for franchise is to place and maintain a two inch sewer line along Gardiner Beach Road for a distance of 400 feet. She then reviewed the comments received from the notified agencies. Planning and Building Department Director, David Goldsmith, stated that he recommended the three proposed conditions to bring this whole matter together. This started out with a building permit for a two bedroom structure and later evolved into more than two bedrooms. The sewage disposal permit was never upgraded with the changes to the plans. The applicant has created a situation which requires him to move the drainfield off site. The original permit was for a two bedroom home with a septic system on site. A marketing report received from a Realtor stated that this is a five bedroom home, David Goldsmith added, and the building plans show a two and four bedroom structure. The Planning and Building Department's concern is that all of the items needed for approval for this residence are reviewed using the same information. Health Department Environmental Health Director, Larry Fay, reported that the original permit for the site was for a two bedroom house. There was some discussion about modifying the permit to allow three bedrooms. Now there is concern because the house is being advertised as a four bedroom home plus a garage apartment. The Health Department has concern about whether the technical requirements of the permit are going to be met. The original permit was for an on site system on the property which is not possible because of the changes made to the structure. All of the information needs to be tied together to deal with all of the issues. Commissioner Dennison asked if there is a valid septic permit right now? Larry Fay responded that it is his understanding that the permit has expired and has not been renewed. Celia Kadushin, Environmental Health Specialist for the Health Department, added that the two bedroom permit expired and there is a pending permit for a three bedroom home, which has not been approved yet. The original permit, in 1987, for a two bedroom home has expired. There were some changes. to the design requested as well as an upgrade of the septic system to add an additional bedroom. When the permit for the three bedroom home was made the septic system was proposed to be off site. The alternate site has been checked out and basically the design was all right, Celia Kadushin noted, lVGL 16 ~ Ar ~ 1"" ; o(f'~' 4lJ13 ~ ~\'~~~-> r.eai'$Æ:;-'of commissioner's Meeting Minutes: Week of June 18, 1990 Page: 3 but on Thursday the state Department of Fisheries determined that there is a creek that runs behind this site and a 100 foot setback is required for the placement of the system. She added that she is not sure if there is enough area, with this setback, for the septic system and the required reserve area. She has not yet been able to meet with the designer to go over this issue. Chairman George Brown then opened the hearing for comment for or against the requested franchise. William Movius: William Movius stated that his property adjoins Mr. Bandy's property where the drainfield is proposed. He stated that in the winter this property is very wet. A sheet of water comes across that field, across his property and down on to his sister's property. A curtain drain was installed on his property about fifteen years ago, which helps alleviate the problem a little. If a drainfield is installed on that site it is going to leach on to his property and into the creek. Another issue Mr. Movius noted is that the right-of-way has never been given to the County by his family. The permission was given to build a road after the second World War. A 25 foot strip to be used as a road was agreed upon, never a 50 foot strip. Mr. Movius added that neither he, his family, or Mr. White, the gentleman that owned the property prior to them (before 1928), ever gave this right-of-way to the County. John Gatchet: John Gatchet stated that he lived in Gardiner since 1946 and just moved away a year ago. He stated that he has looked into how wide the right-of-way is in this area. He has County maps that show 60 feet and he has had the title company research this and they say that it is mostly 50 feet. The Gunstone's were forced by the County to give a right-of-way on their property going down to the lagoon to make a sixty foot right-of-way. Mr. Gatchet continued that there are two drainage areas that go into the lagoon. The main drainage goes right behind all of the existing homes. William Movius: William Movius indicated he has a copy of the deed that deals with the right-of-way. Eileen Simon stated that the Public Works Department has researched the right-of-way in that area, particularly on that side of the road and with the Deeds and exceptions found, they feel that the County has 25 feet except across Mr. Movius' property. Wavne Kinq: 751 Gardiner Beach Road. Wayne King stated that the Deed for his property, Tax 47, doesn't show that right-of-way was given to the County. Their property was purchased from Mr. Farmer in 1938. There is no road right-of-way in front of Tax 47. Bob Bent: Bob Bent stated that he is the builder of the house, and that the permit was for a two bedroom house and that is exactly what that house is now. He proposed to the Building Department that he would like to make a third bedroom over the garage area. The Building Department said there would be no problem if he got permission from the Health Department to extend the drainfield on the premises. steve from Polaris Engineering, designed a septic system for a three bedroom home on that property. When that permit was being applied for, and approved by the Health Department verbally, the issue was brought up about the well which is next door being within 100 feet of the drainfield. All of the wells for the houses around there are within 100 feet of their drainfields. According to the Health Department this well has to be capped in order for the septic system to be placed on this site. The wells in that area are only used for washing cars, they are not used for human consumption. vo.t 16 .f ~ri~ on 4S':9 Commissioner's Meeting Minutes: Week of June 18, 1990 Page: 4 As of right now, Mr. Bent continued, we do have a legal permit for our two bedroom house, which we didn't use, but have not been issued a new permi t for a three bedroom home. We have a two bedroom home with a storage area and a bathroom above the garage. The issue of this home is a personal issue in the area. As far as the concern about the creek, most of the properties on the opposite side of the road are draining into that creek already. Ruth Henshaw: Ruth Henshaw stated she lives next door to the property in question. The people at this meeting from Frontier Realty in Sequim are not local people. They're here primarily for the commission they can get if they sold this house which is being advertised to all of the real estate agents as a four bedroom home plus an apartment above the garage. This makes a minimum of five bedrooms. It has been advertised in a major real estate magazine for $980,000.00. Mrs. Henshaw continued that the neighbors have wells (the Henshaw's and the warner's) . The Henshawsuse their well for all of their water needs instead of being on the community water system. They are very concerned about the water si tuation as well as the drainage. Mr. Gatchet is wrong, there is only a 25 foot easement for a road. The original road was cut off and many of the property owners in that area did not give right-of-way because they didn't want the road to go to the water. Mr. Thornburg, who owned the property next to them, did not give the right-of-way because he wanted the road to end so his property would go right down to the waterfront. Mrs. Henshaw reported that Mr. Bandy called them personally on Friday and stated that he took the home off the market and will live in it himself. The very next day all of the real estate people were over there and they had an Open House. We're here to protect our rights and protect our area. Beecher Snipes: 890 Gardiner Beach Road. Beecher snipes stated that he has been invol ved wi th these discussions and arguments through the years and that he is discouraged and disappointed with the current back biting in the neighborhood. The long series of events leading up to this hearing have left him thoroughly disgusted with the neighborhood. He added that he worked hard to get a community development plan going and it was objected to by these same people that object to this. Mr. Snipes added that he fully supports Mr. Bandy's plans and he still supports it. He has placed his house on the market and he is going to sell it and move out of Jefferson County. Mr. Snipes highly recommended that the Commissioners approve this franchise. Craia Ritchie. Attorney Representina Mr. Bandy: Mr. Ritchie stated that the discussion is far flung but the issue is a road franchise, not the approval of the drainfield, the building permit, or the septic system. The other things will come later and they are designed to relatively strict State standards. Obviously if the County doesn't have the authority because they don't have the appropriate easements there is a problem, but there are two sides of the road and there may be other ways to get the franchise. All we're asking, at this point, is that the county approve a franchise so that we can then proceed to see that the other things work. If they don't then the franchise will be meaningless because it won't work. The issue that came up that Mr. Bandy applied for a two bedroom permit needs to be addressed. There is apparently a problem there because the Planning Department is well aware that the fact that there may have been a change to a three bedroom, asked for appropriately through the Health Department and others, has nothing to do with the problem. The problem was a two bedroom approval which allowed for a drainfield which turns out to be within 100 feet of a neighbors well. It isn't appropriate for the planning VOL 16 f.~ r: :- on A .~..t") ~,,,",,.,,,,..J i"'.~" ~'it! "'",. .'/" '--. ~ ·-i'~ Commissioner's Meeting Minutes: Week of June 18, 1990 Page: 5 Department to say that the change to three bedrooms had something to do with it. It doesn't have anything to do with it other than different specifications. What needs to be done now, Mr. Ritchie continued, is simply the road franchise and we're still going to be looking at all the other issues. He added that he is asking that the County approve the franchise subject to all the requirements of the law. When the franchise is approved all that's going to happen is that the Public Works Department and Heal th;-Department and Mr. Bandy will be working together to find the best solution for the drainfield. We have to get through step A before we can get to step B. Ross Bovlan. Attorney Representing Mr. Bandv: Mr. Boylan stated that he would like to address a couple of the things that have come up here. We are trying to get into compliance with the technical requirements mandated by the Health Department. We're trying to get this drainfield up and away from these wells. The drainfield itself will be in compliance with the technical requirements. The Health Department has checked out the site, the percolation tests have been done and it shouldn't exacerbate any kind of a runoff problem. We need to have this road franchise to get this drain- field up away from these wells. There are other usages on the right-of-way as Mr. Ritchie pointed out. William Movius: Mr. Movius added that there are other usages on this right-of-way already. There are no utilities on that supposed right-of-way. There is nothing on the north side of the street where the water main runs. Chairman Brown closed the public hearing. DeDuty Prosecuting Attorney Mark Huth: Mark Huth advised that the Board is required to find that granting the franchise is in the public interest. Part of the public interest is the motivation of the person applying for the franchise. The facts that underlie the application should go into the Board's decision on whether or not to grant the franchise. These issues would include the original building permit the original septic system and the reasons why it can, or possibly can't be put on site as originally planned. Also, the Board's decision should probably not be made without a clear idea of what the County owns in that area. He then recommend that the Board not make a decision today and table the decision until the Public Works Department can supply them with the exact information as to ownership of right-of-way along that road. We might be putting the cart before the horse by granting a franchise prior to knowing whether or not the other site will accept or prohibit a reserve drainfield or a drainfield. It might be best for the Board to also hear from the Health Department as to the ability to put the septic system and drainfield on this other lot. commissioner B.G. Brown moved to table any action on this franchise application until the findings of fact are developed to give direction in the determination that this franchise would be in the best interest of the public. Commissioner Dennison seconded the motion which carried by a unanimous vote. AGREEMENT. Suoolemental #2 re: Beaver valley Road: Oak Bay Road: Beaver vallev/swansonville Road Intersection (CR0579. 811. 812 and 813): Enaineering: parametrix. Inc.: Bruce Laurie, Public Works Construction Engineer, reported that this supplement agreement is for preliminary engineering and design on several road projects. This supplement covers an extension of time for these projects and changes the amounts in some of the budgeted categories, but it does not change the bottom line. After considerable discussion of the need to estimate the amount of time more accurately and how these time extensions impact the . VGL 1"6 f~~~ ofi= 451 , j L¡':";¡i't,~,,:~ '$MIÞ.iX'&;;~.i:_ ....'" c!J!!ll ~~'._, commissioner's Meeting Minutes: Week of June 18, 1990 Page: 6 County's plans for road construction, Commissioner B.G. Brown moved to approve Supplement #2 of the Agreement with parametrix, Inc. Commissioner Dennison seconded the motion which carried by a unanimous vote. Uodatinq the Official county Road Loa: W. Hayden street: Public Works Director, Gary Rowe, reported that this resolution would add West Hayden street to the county Road Log. Commissioner B.G. Brown moved to approve Resolution No. 64-90 updating the Official county Road Log to include West Hayden Street. Commis- sioner Dennison seconded the motion which carried by a unanimous vote. Hearina Notice re: six Year Transportation Improvement Plan: commissioner Dennison moved to approve the hearing notice setting the public hearing for the six Year Transportation Improvement Plan for July 2, 1990 at 10:30 a.m. Commissioner B. G. Brown seconded the motion. The motion carried by a unanimous vote. Plan ApQroval: Rhody Drive CR'883: Public Works Chief Inspector, Tom Morello, reviewed the plans for the Rhody Drive Overlay project which includes the Anderson Lake intersection. A right turn lane is planned at this intersection. The total project covers .86 miles of Rhody Drive. Commissioner Dennison moved to approve the intersection plans as presented. Commissioner B. G. Brown seconded the motion which carried by a unanimous vote. Call for Bids: RhodY Drive overlay project CR0883: commissioner B. G. Brown moved to approve the call for bids for the Rhody Drive overlay project setting the bid opening for July 2, 1990 at 10: 15 a.m. Commissioner Dennison seconded the motion which carried by a unanimous vote. FACILITIES KANAGEMENT Discussion of Removal of Trees on Courthouse Grounds: Architectural Coordinator, Frank Gifford, reported that one bid was received last week for the removal of the trees on the Courthouse grounds and he recommends that the bid be rejected. Commissioner B.G. Brown moved to reject the bid received for the tree removal at the Courthouse. Commissioner Dennison seconded the motion which carried by a unanimous vote. Request from Ouilcene Parents for Work on East Quilcene Park: Carter Breskin, Public Works Planning and Programming Manager, reported that the Parks Board has received a request from parents in Quilcene to allow a group of children to work on opening East Quilcene Park. Over the last twenty or so years this park has not been used and it is now overgrown. There is 175 feet of waterfront at this park. There are now houses on either side of the park and the Parks Board feels that these people should be contacted before anything is done. There may also be some need for the County to provide some funding or materials for this type of project. The Board concurred that the Parks Board can look into this project further. PLANNING AND BUILDING Plannina Director. David Goldsmith and Water Quality Technician. Teresa Barron re: washington state Water Quality \/01* 16 - t'~-' f~V 0[1- 4~C"") . "'-"'ww Commissioner's Meeting Minutes: Week of June 18, 1990 Page: 7 Pollution Control Loan Aareement: Commissioner B. G. Brown moved to have the Chairman sign the contract with the state Department of Ecology for the loan to the county to provide a septic system repair loan program for County residents. Commissioner Dennison seconded the motion which carried by a unanimous vote. Preliminary Plat Approval: Greenview Villacre at Port Ludlow. 16 Lot Residential Subdivision: Near Hicrhland Drive and Cameron Drive (Port Ludlow Golf Course): pooe Resources: This project referred to as Greenview Village is part of the Port Ludlow development, Associate Planner Jerry Smith reported. He then reviewed the plat plans and Planning commission recommendation, which is for preliminary plat approval subject to 14 conditions. The Department of Ecology has suggested in their comment on the mitigated determination of non-significance issued by the County, that a condi tion regarding delineation and mi tigation for the wetland be included in the approval of this project. Jerry smith reported that the area that contains the wetland will be set aside as an open space area. This development is completely surrounded by the golf course. David Cunningham reported that there is a small wetland on this si te. The State Department of Ecology and the county have no regulations regarding wetlands but the federal government does have some regulations. On July 25 a wetland biologist from Seattle will be delineating and developing a report on this wetland for Pope Resources. He added that after the wetland is mapped, a permit for the planned placement of fill in that wetland will be made to the Army Corps of Engineers. However, there will be less than .99 acres of fill on this site, which exempts it from the requirement for a Corps of Engineers permit. David Goldsmith asked what would happen to lots 8 and 9 if a fifty foot setback is required from this wetland? David cunningham stated that he would rather have the wetland biologist determine the necessary setback. He suggested that another condi tion be added to the preliminary plat approval that requires that the wetland be delineated and deal t wi th in accordance wi th the regulations of the Army Corps of Engineers and as recommended in the report of the wetland biologist. David Cunningham then asked about Condi tions N regarding Port Ludlow bringing their sign program in line with the County's Development Code sign regulations. This plat needs to be in compliance with the County's Subdivision Ordinance and Development Code, but asking that the whole Port Ludlow sign program be brought into compliance with the County Development Code as a condition on this plat is not appropriate. He is willing work with the Planning Department on bringing the Port Ludlow sign program in compliance with the Development Code in the near future. The Board concurred that Condition N be deleted. David Goldsmith suggested that the following be substituted for Condition N: The wetlands shown on tract B shall be evaluated by a wetland speciali- st to determine the extent of the wetland and the degree of setback or similar mi tigation to ensure its integri ty . This mi tigation would be a suitable response to the DOE comment on the previously issued Mitigated Determination of Non-significance. Commissioner B. G. Brown moved to delete the original Condition N and substitute the language recommended by the Planning Director. Commissioner Dennison seconded the motion which carried by a unanimous vote. commissioner Dennison then moved to approve the preliminary plat of Greenview Village with the conditions of approval as amended. Commissioner B. G. Brown seconded the motion. The motion carried by a unanimous vote. vat 16 r ~r:~ oå-: , . 453 commissioner's Meeting Minutes: Week of June 18, 1990 Page: 8 Commissioner B. G. Brown moved to amend the Mitigated Determination of Non-significance issued on this plat to include the condition addressing the wetlands. Commissioner Dennison seconded the motion which carried by a unanimous vote. Final Bayview village Division #3 Plat: Paradise Bay Road: 18 Lot Residential Subdivision - Third of Four Phases: pooe Resources: Jerry Smith reported that all of the conditions of the preliminary plat have been met on Bayview village Division #3. Commissioner B.G. Brown moved for final approval of the Bayview Village Division #3 Plat. Commissioner Dennison seconded the motion. The motion carried by a unanimous vote. Final House Short Plat SP16-89 and Final Roose Short Plat SP17-89: Old Shine Road: Bill House and Donald Roose: These two short plats are off of the Old Shine Road, Jerry Smith reported. There will be a community drainfield for all seven of the lots in these two short plats. Commissioner B.G. Brown moved to approve the House and Roose Short Plats as proposed. Commissioner Dennison seconded the motion which carried by a unanimous vote. State Environmental policy Act Review: #SDP90-0006 upqrade the Karrowstone Island Research Facility: Karrowstone Point: U.S. Fish and wildlife service. Deoartment of the Interior: This environmental review, David Goldsmith reported, is for the upgrade of the research facility owned by the U.S. Fish and wildlife Service located at Fort Flagler. A new dry laboratory for research is planned. The lighthouse keepers house is going to be restored for public use and a second tank farm will be constructed. This laboratory is located on a bluff above the beach and the salt water is pumped up to it. The pump houses and facilities on the beach will be totally replaced. David Goldsmith reported that in reviewing the project, no adverse impact was found. A shoreline permit is required for this project. Commissioner Dennison moved to issue a determination of non- significance and lead agency status for the U.S. Fish and wildlife Service project to upgrade their research facility on Marrowstone Island. Commissioner B. G. Brown seconded the motion which carried by a unanimous vote. AGREEMENT #G0091015 re: CZK Grant: Update Aerial Shoreline Photoaraphs and Stereoscooe Purchase: State Deoartment of Ecoloqv: David Goldsmith reported that this grant is for upgrading the County's aerial photographs. The total grant amount is $7,100.00. This work will be budgeted for in the 1991 budget. Commissioner B. G. Brown moved to approve the agreement with the State Department of Ecology for the CZM Grant. Commissioner Dennison seconded the motion which carried by a unanimous vote. Jefferson County Jurisdiction within the Boundaries of the Quinault Indian Nation: The Memorandum of Understanding between the Quinault Indian Nation and the County expired June 10, 1990, David Goldsmith reported. The Quinault Tribe has not responded to a letter advising them that this MOU is no longer in effect. David Goldsmith then submitted a resolution he and the Prosecuting Attorney drafted to handled the land use issues on non- Indian lands on the reservation until such time as this issue can be addressed further by amending the County's Comprehensive Plan. Commissioner B. G. Brown moved to adopt Resolution No. 65-90 to deal with the County's jurisdiction within the boundaries of the Quinault Indian Nation. Commissioner Dennison seconded the motion which carried by a unanimous vote. . V01. 16 'Ar~ r " Oh: A <t:?l ~<jJ~~ .. Commissioner's Meeting Minutes: Week of June 18, 1990 Page: 9 CONSENT AGENDA: Commissioner B. G. Brown moved to add the contract with Kitsap County for the Regional Support Network and to take the appointment of a member of the Olympic Area on Aging Advisory Board off the Consent Agenda. Commissioner Dennison seconded the motion which carried by a unanimous vote. commissioner B. G. Brown then moved to adopt the following items on the consent agenda: 1. Nomination of Orabelle Connally as a new Jefferson county member of the Regional support Network Advisory' Board. 2. Applications for Assistance from the Soldiers' anq Sailors' Relief Fundi Gregory Mowers approved for $457.00 and Clinton Rogers approved for $500.00. 3. Contract Amendment KC-042-90 (#2) re: Regional Support Network County Community Counselling Center with Kitsap county Commissioner Dennison seconded the motion. The motion carried by a unanimous vote. Warren Steurer. Director. Recrea tion Department re: Recreation proaram Uodate: Recreation Director Warren Steurer came before the Board to update them on the Department's programs. There has been good participation in the recreation programs over the past year. The swimming pool has just been re-opened for the summer session. A citizens group has recommended to the Port Townsend School Board that the Swimming Pool be sold to the county. The County would have to make sure that any such arrangement would be in the best interest of the citizens of the County as a whole before such a proposal would be considered. Warren Steurer further reported that there are more recreation activities planned for the Quilcene area than ever before. A teen center is planned for three nights a week in the school~. This type of center is also being planned for the Chimacum area. These centers will be staffed with volunteers and if they are successful they may be expanded. '" I \ MEET~-mTJRNF.f) /". .~ f" ;rJ-~'- " . ';j ~ t·, " # '... ".- ''''JI -'\, ,.. ,¿,.'" .' 'II. ., ". I" . <:) ." ,...,-':.... ,. b. \. .. , ,,-. "7" <If' .' . .. \~ f.', \ .'. t"l" '" _) ~! .' ~. ': ··n ',,/\ r .) ,,> . .. h."" ~ ~, - .~" \:,,"!¡; ,.. "'ft ,/I '. . ". ~ . . . ~ .~, ....,..·L~ '~.:.. J<" .,/¿ ~ -- .... ~ . "S 0 f,¡~ } .,/ ~~~ ATTEST: r:I oJl/)(A.J! f1ß~ Lorna L. Delaney, Clerk of the Board JEFFERSON COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS Æð~ B. G. Brown, Member \,',1'. , VOl 16 fN~ O(r~ 4~~ 'L.é-,,~~