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HomeMy WebLinkAboutM040389 ~~ ., ~;, MINUTES WEEX OF APRIL 3, 1989 The meeting was called to order by Chairman George C. Brown in the presence of Commissioner Larry W. Dennison. Commissioner B. G. Brown was out of town at a conference. BUSINESS FROM COUNTY DEPARTMENTS AUDITOR Auditor Sa re: Presentation f the 1988 Annual Re rt: Auditor Mary Gaboury came before the Board to pres nt the 1988 Annual Report. This report and a cover letter was sent to the Stae Auditor on Friday, after being completed in record time and within the time frame established by the State Auditor. PUBLIC WORKS Purchase Rea:uisition: Vehicle' for Pe~it Technician: Washinaton State: 'DeDar'taent of General Adainistration, Sta1=e Purchasina Division: A vehicle is needed for the recently hired Permit Technician, County Engineer Bob Nesbitt reported. A Chevrolet S10 pickup can.be purchased off the State contract for $10,349.50. Commissioner Dennison mo~ed to approve the purchase requisition for the State Department of General Administration for a Chevrolet $10 pickup as requested. Chairman George Brown seconded the motion which carried by a unanimous vote. Recommendation for Bid Award: SUDDlvin, Liauid AsDhalt for 1989: Commissioner Dennison moved to award the bid fo~ supplying liquid asphalt during 1989 to Chevron U.S.A. as recommended by 'the Public Works Department. Chairman George Brown seconded the motion which c$rried by a unanimous vote. Reccmaendation for Bid Award: Farnishinq one ( 1) Railroad Flatcar: Commissioner Dennison moved to award the bid for furnishing a rai lroad flatcar to Skip Gibbs as recommended by the !Public Works Department. Chairman George Brown seconded the motion. The motion carried by a unanimous vote. 'Jot 15 i ~r,~ 00 1.394 '~ .. . ". Commissioners' Meeting Agenda: Week of April 3, 1989 Page: 2 Recommendation for Bid Award: Furnishing Two (2) Compact Utilitv Tractors: Commissioner Dennison moved to award the bid for furnishing two compact utility tractors to Auburn Lawn and Garden as recommended by the Public Works Department. One tractor will have special equipment for picking up grass clippings. Chairman George Brown seconded the motion which carried by a unanimous vote. Application to Open Right-of-Nav: 10th Avenue in Plat of Irondale #7: Glen D. Baker: Bob Nesbitt reported that Mr. Baker is requesting to open a portion of right-of-way on 10th Avenue in the Plat of Irondale #7, 20 feet in width from West Eugene Street to Moore Street, as a private access road so that a power line can be installed to his residence. Commissioner Dennison moved to approve opening the right-of-way as requested subject to the conditions as recommended by the Public Works Department. Chairman George Brown seconded the motion. The motion carried by a unanimous vote. CONTRACT re: Supplying Liauid Asphalt: Chevron U.S.A.: Commission':'" er Dennison moved to approve the contract wi th Chevron U. S. A. to supply liquid asphalt to the County in 1989. Chairman George Brown seconded the motion. The motion carried by a unanimous vote. AGREEMElft' re: Reimbursable Work; Road Grading aDd Graveling: Undie Road; Clallam county:' Commissioner Dennison moved to approve the reimbur- sable wor~ agreement with Clallam County to provide grader work and graveling on the Undie Road as necessary. Chairman George Brown seconded the motion which carried by a unanimous vote. CLAIM FOR DAMAGES #0030389-1 re: Repair of Vehicle Sprayed with Sand bv Road Sander: Commissioner Dennison moved to approve the claim for damages to the vehicle owned by Virgil See in the amount of $584.15. Chairman George Brown seconded the motion which carried by a unanimous vote. BUMAW SERVICES CONTRACT re : Alcohol Counselor Services Provided by Jefferson County Human Services: Jefferson General Hospital: Commissioner Dennison moved to approve the contract between Jefferson General Hospital and the Human Services Alcohol program to provide alcohol counseling .services as requested. Chairman George Brown seconded the motion. The motion carried by a unanimous vote. CONTRACT #1440-62179 re: Amendment 5: l"unding Reduction: ADATSA Assessment Services to Jefferson County Human Services: Nashington State Department of Social and Health Services: Commissioner Dennison moved to approve the contract amendment with the state Department of Social and Health Services for reduced ADATSA Assessment Service funding as submitted. Chairman George Brown seconded the motion Which carried by a unanimous vote. FACILITIES MAliAGEMERT Discussion of Design Development: Port Townsend Communi tv Center: Property Manager Carter Breskin reported that a design development meeting for the Port Townsend Community Center will be held tomorrow at 1:00 p.m. in the Commissioners' Chambers. This meeting will be to review the final drawings for the project. The schematic design is essentially complete now, and the next phase will be to call for bids on the construction work. The discussion turned to the architects fee and the new architects agreement form that is re~Aired by the Farmers Home Administration for this project. : '.'iDL 15 . ~ r ; ! '->'C_ oc 13Jl5 Commissioners' Meeting Agenda: Week of Apr.il 3,1989 Page: 3 Carter Breskin reported that there will be some increased costs for this proJect. In May of 1988 the project was estimated to cost $885,134. Now that the design phase is essentially complete the costs are estimated to be $1,057,000. The reasons the costs have increased are as follows: \ . . , * 10% inflation factor for building in past year. * Increases in components of the scope of work - 16% increase over all areas of project (metal work, electrical, etc). $71,000 in civil engineering costs required because there is not time to do this work in house. Structural modifications such as removal of columns in bui lding and increase in number of windows from those in original bid. Costs to upgrade all the utilities to the building. o:C >): * This building renovation will cost approximately $64 to $65 per square foot, Carter Breskin added~ Commissioner Dennison stressed that it is necessary that the Architect review this project to make sure as few errors as possible are made before it is put out for bid, and that the County hold the line on this project as much as possible. PLADIBG AKD BUILDIBG Comments on Mitiaated Determina.tion of Non-Sianificance: Tamanamus Rock Recreational Vehicle Park: Anderson Lake Road: Ra.lvh Theriault: Rachel Nathanson reported that on March 13, 1989 the Board issued a Mitigative Determination of Non-significance for this proposed project. A packet of the responses received during the comment period were presented to the Board and reviewed by Ms. Nathanson as follows: The State Department of Ecology stated that they had no problem with the MDNS but that the wastewater management system may require a permit if it handles more than 14,500 gallons per day. They also expressed concern about the wetlands. The placement offill in the wetlands will require a permit from the Army Corps of En- gineers. The project itself does not include wetlands, Rachel Nathanson added. The Port Gamble Klallam Tribe stated concerns about development of the area around Tamanamus Rock which is a site of special sig- nificance to the tribe. The State Department of Community Development reserved the right to comment until the culture resource survey is completed. Rachel Nathanson added that no comments have been received that would require that the Mitigated Determination of Non-significance be removed. Mr. Theriault has expressed concern about mitigative measure #7 which states "The project proponents shall pay a proportionate share of the necessary traffic impact analysis and improvements costs for Anderson Lake Road and Rhody Drive/Anderson Lake Road intersection as determined by the ..Tefferson COlmty Public Works Department." Ralph Theriault: Regarding the wastewater comment from the Department of Ecology, Mr. Theriault stated that the drainage is designed for a 10,000 gallon per day maximum. This is 4,500 gallons under what the State Depart- ment of Ecology is requiring. Regarding the Port Gamble Klallam tribe letter, Mr. Theriault continued, the tribal manager made an inspection of the site and the area they are concerned with will not be disturbed because it is off the site completely. A road was built across the wetland for maintenance of the waterline. Mr. Theriault asked that mitigative measure #7 be stricken from this project. This is a contract and if he signs the binding site plan then it is binding on him. He stated that one development in this area is not being required to share in these costs. .VDL 15 . or 1396 Commissioners' Meeting Agenda: Week of April 3, 1989 Page: 4 Rachel Nathanson reported that a letter has been sent to the Evergreen Coho Escapee Retreat Camper Club asking that they voluntarily participate in the cost of the traffic impact analysis. They have agreed to pay their pro- portionate share of the cost of that analysis. Commissioner Dennison asked if Mr. Theriault is asking to be relieved of a proportionate share of all of the costs? Mr. Theriault stated that he feels that all of this work. regarding traffic impacts should have been done up front. This is a burden that is being added to. the recipients of these permits. Chairman George Brown added that Mr. Theriault IS project will.add to the traffic impact in the area. Mr. Theriault stated that it has come to the point where the County is pricing the project right off the market. He added that the County is pricing people out of the use of their land. ' Commissioner Dennison stated that taxes are paid for roads, and inquired that if a project puts an extraordinary burden on a road, shouldn't it have to pay for it? Mr. Theriault stated that he feels the County should have been planning for this over the years and the traffic impact should have been taken care of through the cou.nty taxes on roads. Commissioner Dennison moved to uphold the Mitigated Determination of Non- significance as approved on March 13, 1989. Chairman George Brown seconded the motion for the purpose of discussion. Mr. Theriault added that he feels this mitigative measure will be a detriment to the project. Commissioner Dennison added that Mr. Theriault is not being asked to build a new road or do something that is not related to the project at all. He is being aSKed to pay for improvements needed as a direct result of the project. David Goldsmith added that the proportionate share of the traffic and thus the costs of needed improvements will be determined by the traffic impact analysis. The Chairman called for a vote on the motion. Commissioner Dennison and Chairman Brown voted for the motion and the Mitigated Determination of Non significance was upheld with no change to mitigative measure #7. State Environmental Poliey Act Review: Sawmill Proposal: Center Road and Eaglemount Road. Gerard West, Inc.. Paul Hendv. Applicant: On October 10, 1988, Senior Planner Rachel Nathanson reported, the Board initiated the environmental review of this project which is to build a three sided structure on the site at the Center Road, McMillen Road intersection to operate a lumber manu~acturing business. This would include a sawmill, re-saw and ancillary wood working machinery. During the initial environ- mental review the Board expressed concern regarding the possible noise levels created by this project. The applicant was asked to give additional on the noise levels expected. Rachel Nathanson then reviewed several comments received by the Board and the Planning Department on this project. Mr. Hendy presented a packet of information for the Board to review which included a letter of intent with signatures of local residents in support of the project. A letter was included from Mark H. Grimm, Code Enforcement for the Kitsap County Department Community Development which provided readings of the noise levels of the mill currently operated by Mr. Hendy in Joyce. The sawmill operation cannot exceed 60 db, Rachel Nathanson added. Mr. Grimm does noise readings for Kitsap County but is not certified to operate this equip~ent. Rachel Nathanson stated that it is her opinion that no verifiable information has been received that proves that this mill will meet the noise requirements. Mr. Hendy stated that ,the people who have written letters to the County about this project are not "adjacent" property owners to the proposed sawmill site. They all live further down the road. Mr. Hendy then reviewed the information he presented which identifies the adjacent property owners. He reported that he has discussed this project with the adjacent property owners and they all support the project. ~ VOL '~ la r C{ 1.397 Commissioners' Meeting Agenda: Week of April 3, 1989 Page: 5 Philip Smith: Mr. Smith stated that he lives approximately two tenths of a mile from this site and Mr. << Mrs. Osmer live closer to the site than he does. Susan Herman lives even closer than the Osmers. Warren Osmer: Warren Osmer stated that the noise fac~or will be a big impact to this area. Chairman George Brown asked if this mill running during the day would bother him? Mrs. Osmer asked what happens if the mill runs later than the operating hours during the day? Chairman George Brown added that the hours the mill will operate will be regulated. Michael Brady: Mr. Brady stated that he has a saw that is identical to the one that this mill will use and his neighbors have not complained about the noise. Philip Smith: Mr. Smith stated that he has heard Mr. Brady's saw and the noise was considerable. The saw was outside and not in a building. The discussion continued regarding the noise made by various types of saws and sawmills. Philip Smith: Mr. Smith stated that the Whispering Cedars mill has had numerous complaints about the noise it creates. Commissioner Dennison stated that the bottom line is the noise at the property line. The County doesn't have a noise meter that is acceptable to make a determination of compliance. Mrs. Hendy: Mr. Hendy stated that the Board asked for this information last October and now he has the information. Jerry McMillen: Mr. McMillen stated that his mother owns property adjacent to this site and they were not notified of this meeting, and they have not objected. Rachel Nathanson stated that this is not a public hearing it is simply a public meeting which does not require notification of adjacent property owners. The Osmers and Mr. Smi th have made inquiries and asked to be notified when this project came before the Board. The issue, Planning and Building Department Director David Goldsmith advised, is not the land use, because the property can be used for industrial purposes. The issue is the noise created by the project. He further reported that the Evergreen Fibre chipping operation at Chimacum Creek was required to have a certified noise analysis done for their project. Discussion then ensued about the hours of operation for the sawmill. Mr. Hendy noted that operating hours of 9 a.m. to 5:30 p.m. would be agreeable to him. Rachel Nathanson then reviewed the nine proposed mitigative measures for the project. She also proposed that mitigative measure number 7 be amended to limit traffic access off of Center Road. Commissioner Dennison moved to issue a mitigated determination of non-significance with the conditions as proposed. Chairman George Brown seconded the motion which carried by a unanimous vote. Tom Beavers" ERA Real Estate re: Request for TeDlDOrarv Real Estate Office at Paradise Bav Road and Highwav 104 Intersection: (See also Minutes of March 27, 1989) Mr. Beavers updated the Board on the need for a temporary real estate office to sell property in the 560 acre development along Paradise Bay Road owned by Pope Resource. 410 acres of this project is still available. The temporary sales office is only visible from Paradise Bay Road, and up to this point has only been manned for approximately two days per week. Commissioner Dennison stated that his main concern is that the request was for a temporary office, which was not intended as approval for an indefinite JDL 15: it' 1.398 Commissioners' Meeting Agenda: Week of April 3, 1989 Page: 6 period of time. He added he would be willing to consider this request if there is a definite time period on it. Mr. Beavers stated that this temporary site is on property owned by the developer and cannot be made into a permanent office. His original request was for a one year period of' time, but it was only approved for 120 days. David Goldsmith reported that the temporary structure regulations allow 120 day approval. One of the benef i ts of this temporary use, Mr. Beavers responded, is the advertising signs, but having the trailer in place allows a place for surveyors, consultants and prospective buyers to meet. This is a common practice in selling large real estate developments. Mr. Beavers asked that the Board consider granting two 120 day extensions of this temporary use and they would definitely be off the property by November of this year. Commissioner Dennison moved to void the motion made on March 27 and to approve a 120 day extension for this temporary real estate office. Chairman George Brown seconded the motion which carried by a unanimous vote. >Ie * >Ie 1989 Jefferson Count:v Dance License: Hadlock House Restaurant: Commissioner Dennison moved to approve the dance license for the Hadlock House Restaurant for 1989 as submitted. Chairman George Brown seconded the motion which carried by a unanimous vote. Public Notice for Change in Health Board Meetin~ Date: Commis- sioner Dennison moved to approve changing the regular monthly meeting of the Heal~h Board in April to the 25th at 10:00 a.m. Chairman George Brown seconded the motion which carried by a unanimous vote. A change in meeting date notice will be published in the Port Townsend Leader. Applications for Assistance from the Soldiers' and Sailors' Relief Fund: The following applications for assistance' from the Soldiers' and Sailors' Relief Fund were approved, by motion of Commissioner Dennison, seconded by Chairman George Brown: Kenneth W. Roy $225.00 and Robert E. Miller $300.00. The motion carried by a unanimous vote. The meeting was recessed at the end of the business day on Monday an~ reconvened at 7:30 p.m. Wednesday evening at the Quilcene Community Center for the following public hearing. Commissioner George C. Brown and Commissioner Larry W. Dennison were both present. Commissioner B. G. Brown was not in attendance. BEARING re: Quilcene/Dabob Bav watershed Action Plan: Board of Commissioners and the Watershed Manaaement Committee: 28 area residents were present when Chairman George Brown opened the public hearing regarding the Quilcene Dabob Bay Watershed Action Plan. Jefferson County Water Quality Specialist John Heal explained the draft plan for those present. History and Context Implementation: John Heal reviewed the two page executive summary of the plan briefly. The puget Sound Water Quality Authority was authorized by the State Legislature and part of their mandate was to develop a management plan for all of puget Sound in 1987, 1989 and 1991. Their management plan call of a number of programs to address water pollution in puget Sound. One part of the program is watershed planning. Each puget Sound watershed is to have a plan developed to protect water quality in that watershed as well as all of the issues related to water quality such as, wetlands, wildlife, fish habitat, recreations use, aesthetics, etc. A watershed is the whole land area that flows to one point. In this area that is defined as all of the land area that flows into Quilcene and Dabob Bays. These two bays are very important for commercial shellfish operations, recreational and commercial fishing and many other uses that are important I..VOL 15 ~"'.(r" 1399 .. Commissioners' Meeting Agenda: Week of April 3, 1989 Page: 7 to the lifestyle of the area. This is a comprehensive plan for protection of water quality and aquatic resources in this watershed. The State has set the rules for watershed planning which are outlined in WAC Chapter 400-12.. There are 13 counties on puget Sound and they are all working on watershed planning. The Quilcene Dabob Bay watershed has been priori tized as an early action watershed because of the value of the resources in the area and is one of the first in the State to develop an action plan. A committee was established with representatives of all the effected agencies including; local residents; representatives of agriculture, the timber industry; the Forest Service; State Departments of Natural Resources, Fisheries, Wildlife; the Indian tribes; the shellfish industry; the Conserva- tion District and local government. This committee, was to look at the problems in the watershed and to develop ways to correct problems and to prevent future problems. A big part of this plan is preventative. The Watershed Management Committee was convened by the .Jefferson County Commissioners in February of 1988 and had a -total of 13 planning meetings that year. During the course of those meetings the Committee discussed the goals for the watershed, how the Committee would reach agreement. The Committee decided to reach agreement by consensus. This committee had to deal with compromise to plan for every possible impact to water quality and aquatic resource in the watershed. This included the seals, septic systems, timber harvest, agriculture, and recreational activities, etc. The committee review the problems, the information on water quality and developed source control programs. The plan includes a characterization of the watershed, including a map, where it is located, the land use in the watershed, the water quality data, etc. The committee deserves credit for reaches some compromises and sticking with this project. Many volunteer hours were invested in this plan. The Plan was sent out to effected agencies in draft form last fall for comments. The Committee met three times this year to revise plan based on those comments and based the most recent data collected on the seals in Quilcene Bay. John Heal further reported that there is a 30 days comment period for anyone to submit a written comment on the plan. Executive Summary of the Plan: John Heal then read from the Executive Summary highlighting the following points: * North end of Quilcene Bay has failed to meet the standards for Class AAmarine waters because of fecal coliform contamination. This plan was developed to prevent and correct non- point pollution from a wide variety of sources: septic systems, agricultural practices, forestry and erosion, seals, marinas and boats, and hazardous wastes. Source control programs are planned to correct and prevent problems with septic systems, agricultural wastes, forest practices, stream enhancement, and seals. Actions plans for various County and State agencies were outlined. * ){I: * Since there has been controversy about the seals in Quilcene Bay, John Heal read from the portion of the plan that deals with the seals as follows: " Harbor seals are a source of fecal coliform bacteria in Quilcene Bay... Some Watershed Management Committee members felt that shooting the seals or amending the Marine Mammals Protection Act was not politically tenable. Removing the log dump entirely did not appear to be economically or politi- cally feasible. Moving the log dump or changing the operation to discourage the seals from hauling out are possibilities... The DOE now says that rather than seeking recertification of the north end of Quilcene Bay; the goal of the Action Plan should be to take all reasonable actions to correct and prevent water qf.lality degradation in the watershed. .. In essence; the federal law protects the seals and conflicts with the State law requiring ~ VGl 15 rtn u.' 1.400 Commissioners' Meeting Agenda: Week of April 3, 1989 Page: 8 Class AA standards for water quality to be met at the north end of Quilcene Bay. .. The policy options for seals that the Committee agreed tlpOn are: >It The Planning Department shall develop a monitoring plan with the advise of experts to determine the relative success of the source controls over a period of time.... * The Planning Department shall seek to change the policy for natural resource management in the north end of the Bay. One approach would be to designa te major seal hatd out areas as "uncertifiable" for commercial shellfish, as is presently done with point sources and marinas. * The other approach would be to seek amendment of the Marine Mammal Protection Act to allow for management the seals in Quilcene Bay and elsewhere." The seal issue was the only issue that the Committee could not reach consen- sus on, John Heal added. He then opened the floor to questions. Q. How much has seal population increased in last 10 years or has it increased at all in the last ten years? How long has this been a problem? A. John Heal responded that the seal population has increased quite a bit. There were very few seals here 25 years ago. Right now there are bout 1,500 harbor seals in Hood Canal. Their population seems to be growing about 10% per year. 403 seals were counted in Quilcene Bay last year during a squid run. Q. Jerrv Getz: I don't know where you get your 'count of seals. I've heard there were 18,000 seals in puget Sound. You make it sound so nice. There area over 1,000 sea lions in puget Sound. A. John Heal reported that the numbers of seals given is based on research done by Cascadia Research Collective. They count the seals from aerial photographs. There are no sea lions in Hood Canal yet. Q. Glen Huntinaford: Are any of the people with shellfish harvesting operations in Quilcene Bay are concerned about changing the classification of the north end of the Bay and if they are worried about encroachment from the pollution further south? A. Murlan Winjum, Olympia Oyster Company: Mr. Winjum stated that he is concerned about the perimeter of the decertified area. Olympia Oyster Company is on the east side of the bay. They don't harvest oysters off that ground but they do harvest Manilla clams. It would be up to DSHS to determine how widespread an area would be decertified. A. John Heal added that there is nothing that can be done to keep the seals out of an area. The specific situation must be looked at to see how much tidal flushing there is in the area, how many seals there are, etc. This is not going to be easy because the conditions are so variable. We want to protect the commercial beds that are in Quilcene Bay as much as possible. A. Don Ward: In 1952 there were about 6 to 10 seals in Quilcene Bay and that was in the fall when the salmon come in. A bounty was put on seals shortly after that and in 1972 when the Marine Protection Act was signed there were probably 40 to 50 seals. After that they really increased to what we have today. ~ VOl 15 rA\,~ (ri 1.4C'1 Commissioners' Meeting Agenda: Week of April 3, 1989 Page: 9 Q. Barbara Fisk: Mrs. Fisk asked regarding the section of the plan dealing with hazardous waste monitoring in the watershed - would it include monitoring of the old landfill at Donovan Creek? Is this part of monitoring hazardous waste? A. John Heal: program. Yes, there is a hazardous waste source control Q. Barbara Fisk: Will that also include monitoring the Olympic Testing Lab site at the head of Donovan Creek? A. John Heal: The Plan will includes a program that will have the County Public Works department investigate the potential for ground water contamination in the Donovan Creek drainage. Q. Murlan Winjum: What is the intention of the watershed action plan for an action on the seal issue? Will it go the decertification route? A. Commissioner Dennison: One of the things that this position allows us to do is address the dichotomy between the State law and the federal law. Its a way of forcing the issue at the State level and getting them to address it and acknowledge that it is a part of the problem. The County cannot say that they can manage the seals, or meet the State guideline so that forces the ball into the regulators court. A. John Heal: The Committee will continue to meet on a qu.arterly basis this year and they and Planning Department will provide some oversight on plan implementation. This plan was develop- ed so that it would be implemented by all of these agencies. Q. Glen Huntingford: As far as changing the water quality standard because there is a conflict, on Chimacum Creek because there are three or four dairy farms there, will the same thing be done in that area? Would the County Commissioner approve changing the water quality standard on Chimactm Creek also? A. A. A. Jerry Getz: John Heal: The water quality classification are set by State law. In marine waters Class AA this means that no more than 14 fecal coliform organisms per 100 milliliters. The waters belong to the State, it is a public resource, so we're all responsible for keeping that water up to that classification. The situation in Quilcene Bay is that it is very difficult because of the seals and a federal law protects the seals which contribute to the water quality problem. That is not the ca~e in Chimacum Creek. There is no federal law protect- ing diary farms that would be in conflict. Commissioner Dennison: There are conflicting laws in the Quilcene Dabob Bay watershed which are not present in other areas. John Heal: If you are in a watershed that has problems in the upper portion, then we need to spend more energy to find out what is contributing to the problem. In some cases there is very limited data, and monitoring programs are designed to get the most mileage out of them. We can argtte all night about the seals and until the legisla- ture changes the law, we're dead in the water. This has been monitored for three years now. Discussion continued regarding the seals and ways to take care of them. Q. Lorna Ward: In reference to changing the water ~Aality standard in the north end of the Quilcene Bay - She has a copy of a Centen- nial Clean Water Fund grant application signed by the Board for ~ VOL 15 fAGE or, 1.4f~2 Commissioners' Meeting Agenda: Week of April 3, 1~89 Page: 10 $160,000. The number one reason for applying for this grant was for implementing a two year corrective program designed to re-open the decertified portion of Quilcene Bay and to improve water quality in the Bay. How can we ask DOE for this funding with this as the number one priority and now say were going to decertify the north end of the Bay? A. John Heal: The goals have changed since that grant applica- tion was signed. Just two months ago the State Department of Ecology said that re-certifying the north end of the Bay is no longer a goal of the plan. The plan should say that we will do everything reasonable to prevent and correct problems. Chairman George Brown explained that the Port Ludlow Bay watershed will be going through this planning process next. John Heal added that the seals are a fact and the problem they cause needs to be addressed. A stormwater plan is also on element of that grant. Q. Lorna Ward: State Senate Bill 5533 to eliminate the seal and the sea lions was introduced" in March that would have helped this problem and due to lack of support it died. I preSUMe that everyone heard about it and supported this bill. A. John Heal: I thought it passed. Hollv Coccal!, Point No Point Treatv Council: The Committee (she is a member) had varying opinions on the significance of the Harbor seal problem in Quilcene Bay. There was a lot of focus on other issues as well, septic tanks, etc. Not all of the discussion was on Harbor seals. The only thing we did have consensus on was that it would be good to analyze the sediments under the seal haul-outs to see what level of contribution, in terms of fecal coliform, that the seals were producing and then to try to look into the problem to present the conflict between DSHS and the federal law. Commissioner Dennison The problems are not simple and we need to look at all of the problems. The standard to measure water quality is fecal coliform and the seals contribute to that. We need attention to be focused on the fact thati ts' not just as simple as we though before. It's not just septic tanks, or animal keeping practices along streams, it's other things .and we need to look at all of it. This is the first time seals have been looked at in this way, and we finally got some attention. Q. Glenn Huntinaford, Conservation District: The Conservation District needs another technician and if the grant funding is denied, will the county fund this position? A. Commissioner Dennison: The state Department of Ecology requires the plan to say that the County will do certain things, and this plan says that the County will do certain things but the County can only do these things if there is the right combination of resources and support. A. Roaer Short: I disagree with you there Larry, because the DOE got in over their heads and have found that it is costing more money than it was ever expected. DOE is' having trouble getting the things done that they are required by law to do and they are asking the local people to do these things. Just the planning process is costing more than was expected. DOE doesn't have the money so they are coming back locally and asking the local government to do it. Commissioner Dennison: If the State can't do these things because they don't have the money, then if the County doesn't have the money then they can't do them either. There's nothing wrong with saying that this is what we want to do. John Heal: The plan has to make a positive statement. The effected agencies can say they agree with the plan, but they don't have the money to do everything that is outlined. VDL 15 ': 0" 1.403 Commissioners' Meeting Agenda: Week of April 3, 1989 Page: 11 Because the plan is an Early Action Watershed Plan, it is being watched by State because they have a vested interest in it. Because the plan requires the Soil Conservation District, which has no taxing authority, to hire a technician, that will make the application for funding that much stronger. Lorna Ward: John, I hope your not living in a dream world. I have worked for State government for 21 years and many time we were mandated to do things there was no money to do. Barbara Fisk: I served on the Citizens Advisory Committee and then on the Watershed Management Committee and we didn't know there were grants proposed, so we didn't have input into the problems to be addressed by the grant funding. .We found out by accident about the grants. The Committee was told it had no authority, but, it should have been working with the County on these grants. If any future grants are applied for the Committee should be working with the County on it to help coordinate the effort. A new .Jefferson County Watershed Council is being organized with a whole new group of people. John Heal: The Watershed Management Committee is not being dissolved. The Planning Department, as lead agency, will reconvene the Committee this year on a quarterly basis. It is important that the Committee continue to oversee implemen- tation the Plan. The Jefferson County Watershed Council is a consortium of the local environmental groups like the Salmon Club, Trout Unlimited, Wild Olympic Salmon Club and the Conservation District. Several groups were doing the same things and the Council is a grass roots effort to work together to take a basin wide approach. It is not funded by tax dollars. Barb Fisk: Would it be feasible to have some of the members come to some of the Committee meetings and work with the Committee. John Heal: I've been trying to represent the Quilcene Watershed on that qouncil. Murlan Winjum: Mr. Winjum stated that he is not a designated spokesman for the shellfish industry, but he wanted to make the point that people should not be frustrated with the seal issue. It's a tough problem and it will be a long time before it is resolved. Let's pursue vigorously that which we can do something about. Tom Jay, Wild Olympic Salmon Group: Mr. Jay shared his view of how the plan might be looked at in the long term. Watersheds are self managing systems. The systems that are in place in the watershed can tell us what we are doing wrong. Two places that attention should be focused directly are the es- tuaries of all the different stream systems in the County because you have a natural indicator. Streams that, are being heavily eroded will dry up in the estuary, any contaminant and pollution will be concentrated in the estuary. By sampling estuary sediments you'll be able to tell what's happening in the whole watershed. Estuaries are fertile environments and are nurseries for herring and salmon, and all kinds of animals because they concentrate nutrients as well as pollution. If you can focus on an indicator species that lives in the estuary you might have a biological mechanism to be able to calibrate watershed heal tho Focus your attention on estuaries you will have a very good working tool to look at the whole watershed. You could develop baseline data from county aerial maps on the estuary to document changes in the estuary. The other key indicator that could be focused on is the salmon resource in all of the watersheds. If you can get baseline data or even historical data about the salmon resources in the county, the ideal would be to bring the runs back to historic levels. Then you would know you have a functioning heal thy watershed. That would be a simple manifestation of watershed health. You addressed that in your plan and I congratulate you on that. , VDL 15 iAC~ 001.404 . Commissioners' Meeting Agenda: Week of April 3, 1989 Page: 12 The last issue, which is the coming issue in Jefferson County is the issue of conversion 0 forest land to another use. We've got three basic fun- damental resour.es in Jefferson County which are good farmland, good forest land, and fish. These are the economic basis of the county. Tourism is a flash in the p n, is basically not a long term economically viable thing. We need to con entrate on soil health and the ability to have the land resources to gr w timber and to have clean watersheds. I want to see good logging practic s so the loggers can keep working and to see healthier streams so the ish people can keep catching fish and I want to see erosion control so the armers can keep working in the farms. Don Ward: In tlking about fecal coliform there is human, animal (cattle) and seal. My u derstanding is that the seal feces produce 10 to 30 times as much fecal coli orm as humans or diary animals, cattle? John Heal: No, you have to look at the concentration of bacteria in the fecal material. How many bacteria per gram. Then you have to look at the amount of fecal material produced which in the case of cattle is considerably more than seals. Then you have to consider that in the case of seals there is a high amoun of variability in the concentration of bacteria. It can be as much as 100 times as much bacteria in seal feces at Dosewallip as there is in Quilcene aYe No one knows why that is. Don Ward: Per ram, seals have more than cattle or humans, right? cow or seal it is hard to say. John Heal: Don Ward: Thi is information put out by Cascadia Research. I get the finger pointed ~t me quite a bit. During the year about 2/3 of the drainage goes through my Pla.ce is dry. The other third com.es out of the ground. In February during the cold spell it dries up. Where does the water come from? It comes from he west, its' surface water. It comes from school grounds possibly, busin sses, street and all the houses, yet I get blamed for the fecal coliform rom my cattle in that stream and I don't like it. Ken Stone Water The State strongly supports the concept of watershed planning to prevent non-point source polluti n. We feel that there is significant non-point source pollution probl ms in the Quilcene watershed and we feel that the best way to address tho e problems and come up with 'solutions is through a local committee made p of people who live and work in the watershed. As such I'd like to commend the Committee and the staff for the considerable time and effort they've ut into development this watershed management plan. Roaer Short: have a dairy farm in Chimacum. One of the concepts I've looked at all a ong is that we all contribute to non-point source pollution. It needs to be emphasized that we are all contributors. If we want the cooperation of he landowners, the guys with septic tanks, or dairies, or the guy with one or two cows, we have to look at everything that contributes to the problem to et their cooperation. We all contribute and we all have got to be involved nit. Commissioner De tare you going to do when big outfits like Pope and Talbot spray allover and now they have big signs up that say ur health" "Keep Out". They're spraying sludge from Winslow lse. Don't tell me that don't wash down into the streams. Jerrv Getz: Wh come along and "Hazardous to y and everywhere Barbara Fisk: have to have permission from the County? Yes, the Health Department monitors it. Barbara Fisk: he paragraph that stat,es "the public's rights to clean water must be weighe against individual freedoms and private property rights." She asked that this be changed and it wasn't. The public has a right to clean water and this should be re-worded. This can be accomplished through cooperation fr m individual property owners, to industry and public education. That statement should be taken out and anyone that doesn't agree wi th me is just oing to relinquish some of their rights to do what they want : Val 15 r;\{')~ ar; 1405 Commissioners' eeting Agenda: Week of April 3, 1989 Page: 13 to and have., th their land. I that are going County and everyone else interfering with what they do on you're going to say that we must look at some of the things n in the County. Commissione~ De nison: Are you saying we should have re~tlations of what people do or we shouldn't? Barbara Fisk: say what I can his statement means that the County and State can come in and o on my own land. Commissioner De nison: What about the situation above you on the hill? Are you saying we s ouldn't be regulating what is done? Barbara Fisk: If you're going to say this I then it should be applied to everyone. If you're going to say this, it will have repercussions on everyone in the county. Chairman Geor comment. The Brown: That is what this public hearing is for and you can scussion continued regarding public rights. ...John Heal: earlier. I had that flagged also. It should say the individual cannot ttention at the expense of the rest of the public. Also on will" develop wetlands and stormwater management program? Jer~y Philips: be given every page 7 under wh t is being worked on now as part of the grant discussed Jerry Phillips: Silting measurements should include the Little Quilcene as well as the Big Quilcene River. Ron Sikes: Mr. Sikes is in favor of implementation the Quilcene Dabob Watershed Actio Plan. It gives the public an opportunity to act responsibly in minimizing t eir individual impacts on water quality. It is a means of maintaining and improving the public resource in the watershed. The adoption of the plan is ignificant in setting the stage for future implementation of watersheds plan for the rest of the county. Critical to this plan is public education, but also important is SEPA review for timberland conversions. They have treme dous impacts. Septic system monitoring. If we can control that we can gr atly reduce the problems in the Quilcene Dabob w~tershed. Best Management practices for agriculture. I think that's been proven a real positive progr m for stream enhancement. Buffering streams from logging activi ties. P otecting wetlands. Thanked the citizens and staff from various agencie who put the work and effort into this plan. Barbara Fisk: One more concern. She understands that the County reviews logging operati ns for Class 4 streams. What is the law there? Do they have to come through the County if they want to log? Chairman Geor Brown: No. Through the State Department of Natural Resources any 1 "ging that takes place within 200 feet of any stream or bay, must have a buf er zone left along the stream. Tom Jay: The J fferson County Watershed Council has requested that DNR send them all of the forest practice applications for eastern County with the view of having input into these applications. The Council is a cooperator in the Fish and Wildl fe Act, now. You can have input into those applications through the Cou cil. John Heal: The shoreline desi that. does review forest practice applications within the The Planning Department could tell you more about ...Jerrv Getz: log. have to get a cutters permit from the State before you can Bernice Philli I support this concept of leaving a buffer along streams, because we have logging on both sides of our property. l VOL 15 iAG~ Of-? 1406 Commissioners' eeting Agenda: Week of April 3, 1989 Page: 14 Jerrv Gilbert, ort Townsend: After ten years in Port Townsend, our water comes out of t e Quilcene Ranger District and we depend on that forest keeping the wat r clean. Have to get the communi ties involved and the people involved and we have to communicate with each other. Would like to see this Plan implemente as soon as possible. I think we're over emphasizing a few things and unde emphasizing other things. Basically we want to cooperate and clean our w ter up. The State will not do it for us. We have to start right here with our neighbors cleaning our water and not wait for the State to do it. We'v got to start policing this stuff ourselves. Committees like this are a good thing and we've got to start working ori this. Bernice Philli s: Three years ago an announce was in the paper that no aerial spraying would occur during high winds. We have complained to DNR and they did nothin about it. They assured me it was perfectly safe. Barbara Fisk: nything our County or the Committee can do about the televi- sion commercial that show cars zipping through streams over and over again. I've called the T.V. stations to complain but they don't do anything. These commercials enc urage people to drive through our streams and they do damage to the stream beds. Is there anything that our Committee could do to discourage play ng these commercials? John Heal: The Committee could make a recommendation that puget Sound Water Quality Authori_y pursue that issue because they have a statewide perspec- tive. Tom Jav: plan? Ques ioned the conversion plan element of the watershed action John Heal: Joh Heal read the element and explained it further. Tom Jav: Coul the plan mandate buffers on stream in these forest land conversions? John Heal: The County does not have much input into forest practices, only on these conversions. Holl Coccoli oint No Point Treat Council: Type 1, 2 or 3, streams are fish bearing st eams. A buffer is required to be left along these streams. Logging can be one within the buffer strip, of selected trees. Conversions are an importan issue in Jefferson County and throughout puget Sound. The County can try to work out a buffer strip along streams and wetlands to protect them in the conversion of forest lands. Herb Beck: Mr. Beck stated that he has lived by a stream most of his life. His main conce n is the fishery in our streams. Its almost like history being repeated gain. In the 1930's they closed the Canal to gill netting because the streams were over fished. I know the salmon come up in a storm. That's the best time to make money. In the last few years the Canal has been open to netting. The salmon coming back to the creeks are smaller. These salmon have to et back to the stream or the fisheries will be hurting. Jerrv Getz: hasn't been a fish up Dabob Creek for eight years now. Barbara Fisk: his came up before the Committee and were told that the Bolt Decision cannot be changed. We need to get the cooperation of everyone that fishes to build up the runs. John Heal: T e Jefferson County Watershed Council will work with the Committee to su port a cooperative effort for watershed management. Lorna Ward: My answer is 1) dredge the Big Quilcene River out to where the water table is lower than the septic tanks, 2) close all inland waters to commercial fish ry, and 3) put a bounty back on the seals. Ken Stone Stat There's been a couple of comments tonight relativ to the State dumping their water quality problems on the locals. I thi k comments like that are counter productive and not very accurate either I'm not sure how serious are that made those, but, the fact . VOL 15 r~.~~~ Uf";' 1407 . , Commissioners' eeting Agenda: Week of April 3, 1989 Page: 15 is that it woul be relatively easy for the federal government or State to come up with regulations to control non-point source pollution. Much the same as they did with point source pollution. We honestly do not believe that that is th way to go. We don't think that's an effective way to do it. We do believe t at the solutions to non-point source pollution are from the locals. What w do is provide funding, we provide technical assistance and we provide the uidelines within which that can happen. I should not that all the water: q ality grants that come out of Olympia require a 25% match from the local ponsor which in most cases is the County. So the County is also committing a lot of their resources to making this happen. We at the Department of E 'ology as well as the puget Sound Water Quality Authority have a very special nterest in making this work, because we don't want to have to go the re~AI tory route. There's a lot of people out there just waiting for this to fa~l because they don't think it can work. They don't think people can regl, late themselves. We're not dumping our problems on the locals, we just think its' a b tter way to do it. Mike Denker: I'd like to repr .sent the recreation sector. Preserving the aesthetic quali y of this area is real important and real valuable. I see a large growth n recreation in this area. I think implementing this action plan is very cr cial, so peopl are educated on how they can recreate, so they are not i pacting the environment as much. Since this is one of the earliest action plans, this is eally important that its implemented because this will set an example for other counties to follow. I acknowledge everyone whose ut energy into it. Its really a good idea. Go for it. Barbara FisK: John Heal should be complimented on all the hours he spent and all the tim s that he kept verybody together and kept everybody cool and no arguments, 0 shouting. H did an excellent job of coordinating this. He did and exce lent job in su plying our information and helping everybody find the inform tion they want d and needed. Chairman Geor e in the way he hearing and adv comments. Brown: I was t several meetings and John was very tactful pproached some of the problems. The Chairman closed the sed those pres nt they would have 30 days to submit written Commissioner De The so ution to our problems lies with us and John and this Commit ee have proven that we can work together to find solutions and that's prObrblY the only wa we're going to be able to do it. I commend not only member of this Commi tee but also the members of this community. We all have an mpact. The sol tions to our problems depend on everyone one of us. John Heal: Tha ked everyone f r coming out. SEA JEFFERSON COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS 4~~(V~ George C. rown, Chairman -- MEETING ATTEST B. G. Brown, Member ~-<<~~ Lar . Dennison, Member , . ~OL 15 (f';14:()8