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HomeMy WebLinkAboutM050189 t 'f>:.... t . ... MINUTES JIEEK 01' MAY 1, 1989 The meeting was called to order by Chairman George C. Brown in the presence of Commissioner B.G. Brown and Commissioner Larry W. Dennison. IlBARZlIa: PrO'DQsed Budaet: ADDrovriat:ions/Ext:ensions; Plannina and Buildina DeDart:ment:. Heal t:h DeDart:ment: Prosecut:ina At:t:ornev: Chairman George Brown opened the public hearing regarding the proposed budget appropriations and extensions requested by the Planning Department, Health Department and the Prosecuting Attorney's office. Marie Dressler asked about the use of the funds requested by the Health Department? Commissioner B. G . Brown explained that the funding was requested to cover portions of the AIDS program and the dental program whicH are both funded by grants. The total grant amount was not known at the time the 1989 budget was adopted. She then asked if any money that was allocated for a Nursing Director was being spent on these items? Commissioner B. G. Brown explained that if the money allocated for a Nursing Director is not spent during the year it would revert back to the Current Expense Fund. The department could, however, transfer some of those funds to another category in the Department's budget during the year. Hearing no further public comment Chairman George Brown closed the public hearing. Commissioner B. G. Brown moved to approve Resolut:ion 110. 36-89 ordering the budget extensions/appropriations as requested. Commissioner Dennison seconded the motion which carried by a unanimous vote. Linda Owen. MeJaber. Sout:h Jefferson Business Associat:ion re: Reauest: for Hot:el/Mot:el l'unds for Tourism Proaot:ion: Linda Owen was present to explain the South 3efferson Business Association request for Hotel Motel funds. She presented a sample brochure to promote the south 3efferson County area. It will cost about $2,500 to have 10,000 brochures printed and the Business Association is requesting $1,000 from Hotel Motel fund to pay a portion of this cost. The businesses in the south County area will be buying advertising in the brochure to fund the balance. Commissioner Dennison suggested that a phone number be put on the brochure for people to call for more information. The brochures would be distributed to the Seq\tim, Port Angeles and Port Townsend Visitor's Centers as well as on the ferries and to local businesses. The Association would need a check sent to Brian Hicks, Treasurer, of the Association, if this request is approved, Linda Owen added. Commissioner B. G. Brown moved to approved Resolut:ion Ko. 37-89 a hearing notice setting the public hearing for May 15, 1989 at 10:00 a.m. for the proposed budget extension/appropriations for the Hotel/Motel Tax Fund, as VOL 15 f,}rr i,"l.t;:_ ~m-. r 2014 u~._. ,.p .". .. Commissioners' Meeting Minutes: Week of May 1, 1989 Page: 2 well as various other departments. Commissioner Dennison seconded the motion. The motion carried by a unanimous vote. BUSINESS FROM COUNTY DEPARTMENTS: HEALTH DBPARTMEft COftRACT re: Professional Services; Dent:al HYGienist: Services; Jefferson COlJD:tv Heal t:h Devart:ment: and Clallaa-Jefferson Co..uni t:v Act:ion Council (SUDercedes Cont:ract: SiGned Februarv 27. 1989): Commissioner Dennison moved to approve the professional services contract for the services of a dental hygienist, between the Clallam 3efferson Community Action Council and the .Jefferson County Health Department. Commissioner B. G. Brown seconded the motion which carried by a unanimous vote. COftRACT re: Professional Services; Oral Healt:h Consult:ant:; Jeffer- son Count:v Healt:h DeDart:ment: and CVnt:hia S. 1Iewaan.. R.D.H.: This contract is for the professional services of an Oral Health Consultant in conjunction with the dental program for the Clallam 3efferson Community Action Council. Commissioner B. G. Brown moved to approve the contract as submi tted. Commissioner Dennison seconded the motion. The motion carried by a unanimous vote. COftRACT re: Professional Services; Enviromaent:al Heal t:h SDecialist: and Comaunit:v Healt:h lIurse Services for West: Jefferson Count:v; Clallaa Count:v Healt:h DeDart:ment:: Commissioner Dennison moved to approve the contract with Clallam County for the Clallam County Health Department to provide environ- mental health and nursing services to the west end residents. Commissioner B. G. Brown seconded the motion which carried by a unanimous vote. PUBLrC WORKS BrD OPDrRG: One (1) Self Provelled Vibrat:orv Roller: The bids for the self propelled vibratory roller were opened and read by County Engineer Bob Nesbitt after 10:30 a.m. as advertised. SPEC HOLDERS: BID'TOTALS: N. C. Machinery Co., Port Angeles Sahlberg Equipment (including tax) " " $60,698.15 $57,027.07 Commissioner Dennison moved to have the Public Works department check the bids for accuracy and make a recommendation for bid award that would be to the best advantage of the County. Commissioner B. G. Brown seconded the motion which carried by a unanimous vote. After 11: 00 a. m. : County Engineer Bob Nesbi tt reported that a bid was received at 11:05 from Fray Equipment. This was after the advertised bid submission deadline. The Board directed the Engineer to check with the Prosecuting Attorney for the proper procedure in handling this late bid. The Prosecuting Attorney advised, Bob Nesbitt reported, that the bid not be accepted because it was late. Est:ablishina a Privat:e Road lfaJRe; Tala Point: Drive: Eileen Simon, Administrative Secretary, reported that the name Tala Point Drive. was suggested by the Tala Point Partnership. There is already a Kala Point Drive and Tala Shore Drive which may cause some confusion for emergency response personnel. Commissioner Dennison moved to deny the request to establish Tala Point Drive as a name for a private road and ask that another name be suggested, due to possible confusion with other established names. VOL 15 I or: 2015 . . Commissioners' Meeting Minutes: Week of May 1, 1989 Page: 3 Commissioner B. G. Brown seconded the motion which carried by a unanimous vote. _ .. Call for Bids; OWl Creek Bridae ReDlaceaent: Project: CR8719: This project is to replace the bridge over Owl Creek, Bob Nesbitt reported. Commissioner Dennison moved to approve the call for bids and set the bid opening for May 22, 1989 at 10:30 a.m. Commissioner B. G. Brown seconded the motion which carried by a unanimous vote. Call for Bids: Point: Whit:nev Road - Bee Mill Road ravroveaent: Project: CR8528: Commissioner B. G. Brown moved to approve the call for bids and set the bid opening for May 22, 1989 at 10:30 a.m. for the Point Whitney Road improvement project. Commissioner Dennison seconded the motion which carried by a unanimous vote. I'ACrLrTrES MAlfAGEMEft BrD OPUrKa: Asbestos Reaoval and, Re-insulat:ion of 'the Port: TONDsend C~QDit:v Cent:er: Carter Breskin reported that no bids have been received on this project. She suggested that this contract could be broken down into several units, which may be more costly. Carter Breskin will confer with the project engineer and bring back a proposal on how to proceed with this project. PLADDla AIm BDrLDrRG DBPARTMEft Shoreline Set:back Variance Reauest:; Enclosure of an Exist:ina Deck t:o Convert: t:o a Sun Porch; 221 lladrona Road. 1I0rdland; GeorGe Janders. ADDlicant:: Mr. 3anders was present when Associate Planner 3im Pearson reviewed this request for a 15 foot shoreline setback variance. Mr. 3anders wants to enclose an existing deck to make ita sun porch. The deck is approximately 15 feet from the top of the bank. Decks are not normally included in the measurement for setback of a home because the measurement is taken from the foundation, but this request to enclose a portion of the porch which wi1l require that the setback measurement be taken from the porch foundation. Mr. J'anders noted that he is going to enclose 15 feet of his 55 foot long deck. The sun porch will not include heat or plumbing, but will have to meet the building code, 3im Pearson noted. Mr. J'anders stated that there is wiring next to the sliding glass door in this area already. The request must meet the criteria for granting a variance, Commissioner Dennison commented. Commissioner B. G. Brown stated that he doesn't see that this re~~est meets hardship criteria. Mr. J'anders responded that his house faces the southwest (located on Killisut Harbor) and the wind in the afternoon is a problem. The wind does not allow use of the deck even on nice days. Other considerations are that the sliding glass door needs protection from the wind, and the lawn furniture could then be left on the porch. 3im Pearson noted that there is a substantial deck and stairway on the neighboring property. Mr. J'anders stated that anything he builds will be no closer to the water than what is already there. He added that what he is doing, he feels, is in compliance with the intent of the Shoreline program. He further noted that he is here because he is trying to follow all the rules and he is not trying to extend his house. Commissioner Dennison asked if he feels that this is the minimum amount of space needed to accomplish what he wants, given the restrictions? Mr. J'anders responded that it is. The discussion continued regarding the variance criteria and the possible hardship caused. Commissioner B. G. Brown moved to grant the variance as YOL 15 I oc 201.6 . . Commissioners' Meeting Minutes: Week of May 1, 1989 Page: 4 requested. Chairman George Brown seconded the motion and called for a vote. Commissioner B. G. Brown and Commissioner George Brown voted in favor of the motion and Commissioner Dennison voted against the motion. The motion carried by a majority vote. Residential Set:back Variance; Side Yard; 511'inch Lane Port: Ludlow; ail Bera. ADDlicant:: Mr. & Mrs. Gil Berg and several neighboring property owners were present with Planning and Building Department Director, David Goldsmith, explained this request for a residential setback variance. The Berg's own Lot 8 in Division 6 at Bridgehaven. They are requesting a zero side yard setback for a carport, which has already been constructed. The Berg's have recently applied for a building permit. The neighbors on one side have noted that the carport overhangs the property line. ' The fire code states that there must be three feet between structures, with no variance allowed. Mr. Berg stated that his property boundary is very poorly marked. He was shown the boundary line when he purchased the property, and when he was going to build a carport he measured what he thought was the property line. Since that time he has cut the carport back to his property line. There are no structures on the neighboring property. David Goldsmith noted that Mr. Berg is asking for a three foot setback (from the overhang and five feet from the foundation) . Commissioner B. G. Brown moved to approve the variance as requested. Commissioner Dennison seconded the motion which carried by a unanimous vote. Union Wharf Pro:lect: UDdat:e: David Goldsmith reported that the State Department of Fisheries has stated some concern about the amount of shading that the Union Wharf project will make over the water. The State Department of Ecology feels that this is not a significant problem. The County's ownership in the wharf needs to be transferred to the City of Port Townsend so that this project can proceed. ' St:ate EnviroDaent:al Policy Act: Review: Shoreline Subst:ant:ial DeveloDJRen't Pend t: rntert:idal Shellfish CUI t:iva'tion Usina Racks and Jacks; Thorndvke Bav; Jonat:han Davis: Associate Planner Jim Pearson explained that this is an intertidal shellfish cultivation project located on Thorndyke Bay which uses rack culture and "vexar" cages containing oysters. Jim Pearson then reviewed the environmental checklist on the project. He explained that in the last week has received State Department of Fisheries interim guidelines on oyster rack aquaculture projects. The Fisheries Department want to have the proponents note where vegetation is growing on the beach and to site the racks so that they are away from eel grass beds and to also do some monitoring. Two suggested conditions of approval for this project were also reviewed. Commissioner Dennison moved to issue a mitigated determination of non- significance on the intertidal shellfish cultivation project submitted by Jonathan Davis. Commissioner B. G. Brown seconded the motion which carried by a unanimous vote. ~uvBBlLE $BKYLCES GRAft APPLrCATro. re: Juvenile Det:ent:ion Alt:ernat:ive Proaraa; Juvenile Justice Sect:ion; St:ate DeDart:ment: of Social and Healt:h Services: Lois Smith, Juvenile and Family Court Services Director, reported that this grant application, if approved, would provide funding for an alternative juvenile detention for youths that meet specific criteria. The total grant application is for $45,307. Commissioner Dennison moved to approve the grant application for the.Juvenile Detention Alternative program for submission to the 3uvenile 3ustice Section of the State Department of Social and Health VOL 15 fAGE OL 201.7 Commissioners' Meeting Minutes: Week of May 1, 1989 Page: 5 Services. Commissioner B. G. Brown seconded the motion which carried by a unanimous vote. * * * Washinaton St:at:e Liauor Control Board re: Transfer of 'Liauor License from. aleDD R. West:ern t:o David L. Pearaa. Hoh River Resort:: Commissioner B. G. Brown moved that the County has no objection to the liquor license transfer as requested for the Hoh River Resort. Commissioner Dennison seconded the motion which carried by a unanimous vote. Jefferson Count:v Historical Societ:v re: Reauest: for Pavaent of Second Ouart:er Allocation froJa t:he Hot:el/Mot:el Tax I'und: Commissioner Dennison 'moved to approve paYment of the second quarter allocation of Hotel/Motel funds in the amount of $4,750.00 as requested by the Jefferson County Historical Society. Commissioner B. G. Brown seconded the motion. The motion carried by a unanimous vote. ADDlicat:ions for Assist:anC8 from. t:he Soldiers' and Sailors' Relief Fund: Commissioner B. G. Brown moved to approve the applications for assistance from the Soldiers' and Sailors' Relief Fund as submitted for: Archibald Tweedie $220.00 and Bill Wetwiska $310.00. Commissioner Dennison seconded the motion which carried by a unanimous vote. Charlie SJait:h re: Schooner Anchored in M9st:erv Bav and Lett:ers Regardina Pollut:ion of Harbor: Charlie Smith came before the Board to discuss letters that he has heard various agencies have received about the schooner he is Master of, polluting Mystery Bay. The boat is owned by an entertainer who is not here much of the time. He stated that his boat does not pollute the bay. He came to defend himself and the owner of the boat. The allegations are that fuel and paint thinner has been dumped in the. Bay, as well as rags, plastic, paint dust, etc. are totally untrue. Mr. Smith added that he attended a meeting of the Marrowstone Island Community Club and discussed these allegations with the residents. There is a very small group making these accusations and they do not represent the maj.ority of property owners on the island. Mr. Smith added that he would never do the things that these people are accusing him of doing because he makes his living off the sea. Mr. Smith understands ,that he needs to apply for a Shoreline exemption to moor his boat in Mystery Bay which he reported he has done. He came here because he'knows several boat builders in the area that work on wooden boats. The boat is moored there on a temporary basis. Mr. Smith invited the Board to visit the schooner and see what is being done. Commander Russell of the Coast Guard visited the boat because he had received numerous complaints, Mr. Smith reported. The Coast Guard found that the schooner was not polluting the Bay. Commander Russell has offered to talk with the County about this if the Board would like. Commissioner B. G. Brown suggested that Mr. Smith submit his comments denying these claims in writing to the Board. AGREEMEft re: Labor: January 1. 1989 'throuah Deceaber 31. 1991; Jefferson Count:v Public Works DeDart:ment:; Teaast:ers union Local #589: Commissioner B. G. Brown moved to approve the contract with the Teamsters Union #589 for the Public Works Department for the period 1989 through 1991 as presented. Commissioner Dennison seconded the motion. The motion carried by a unanimous vote. AGREEMEft re: Labor; Januarv 1, 1989 t:hrouab Deceaber 31. 1991: Jefferson Count:v Sheriff' s Deoar'taent; Teaast:ersUnion Local #589: Commis- sioner B. G. Brown moved to approve the contract with the Teamsters Union VOt 15 OC 2018 Commissioners' Meeting Minutes: Week of May 1, 1989 Page: 6 #589 for the Sheriff's Department for the period 1989 through 1991 as presented. Commissioner Dennison seconded the motion. The motion carried by a unanimous vote. The meeting was recessed at 5:00 p.m. and reconvened at 7:30 p.m. at the Tri Area Community Center for the following public hearing. Rhodv Indust:rlal Park: Jefferson Count:v CmlDrehensive Plan Land Use Consistency Review: 44 interested area residents were present when Chairman George Brown called the public hearing to order at the appointed time. Planning and Building Department Director, David Goldsmith, made a presenta- tion on the purpose of the hearing, the process that this project has gone through to date, and the Tri Area Community Plan. This project, David Goldsmith noted, started five to six month ago when the proponents submitted a proposal for a planned industrial park at the corner of Rhody Drive and Anderson Lake Road. The Planning Commission reviewed the project for its' consistency with the County Comprehensive Plan and the Tri Area community plan. The Planning Commission found that the proposal was substantially consistent with the Comprehensive Plan and the Tri Area Community Plan' except for Policy 19. The Planning Commission reported to the Board in March and the Board issued a mitigated determination of non- significance on the project with 15 mitigative measures. During the review period for the MONS, (See minutes of 3/20/89) a petition was presented to the Board by a number of area residents asking that they look closer at possible impacts. The Board withdrew the MDNS'on the project on March 27, 1989. On April 10 the Board reviewed the Planning Commission recommendation, decided they went too far, so Board set this hearing. The purpose of this hearing tonight is to review the consistency of the project with the Tri Area Community Plan, as well as impacts on the neighborhood, adjacent uses, and traffic impacts. David then made a presentation on the Tri Area Community Plan and the goals of the plan. In the Tri Area Community Plan commercial areas are located in Hadlock, from Ness's Corner to Communi ty She 11 and at the Chimacum intersect i on, the balance of the area is residential. David Goldsmith concluded his be made by the Board tonight. received tonight. Chairman questions. presentation by noting that no decision will The Board will have to evaluate the comments George Brown then asked if anyone had any Q. (Unidentifed Man) Why was that area designated not commercial to begin with? A. David Goldsmith responded that he believes it was not designated as commercial because at the time there wasn't any commercial involvement in that area, and a fairly large area had been set aside for commercial involvement. Q. (Same Unidentified Man)Are the R.V. parks considered commercial development? A. David Goldsmi th - No they are considered under the plan as a recreational resort type facility, although they are commercial in nature, which can be placed anywhere. Q. Dorothy Olson: If it said that it shouldn't be used, why are we here? A. David Goldsmith - It wasn't clear. It didn't say that this cannot be use for any kind of commercial development. It said that it couldn't be used for this neighborhood business center, and because of that and the fact that we had this other thing that can float allover the place, is where the conflict arose. Mrs. Olson then asked what the difference is between a commercial development and VOL 15 (:~\l~ OC 201.9 . . Commissioners' Meeting Minutes: Week of May 1, 1989 Page: 7 a neighborhood commercial development? The scale of the project is the major difference, basically, David Goldsmith reported. It didn't say that no commercial development could ever occur at that intersection. At those minor arterial intersections neighborhood businesses could occur except as set in this one particular policy, at that intersection. It didn't: appear $S black and white. Q. i Nelson:Isn't there quite difference between commercial development and indl~stri+l? ' A. David Goldsmith - Yes there is. And this industrIal park includes , I both the commercial aspect , it's morel iike a business park. It's what we call heavy commerci~l. SomebOdy that might be doing a cabinet shop and selling cabinets out the front goor as well as building them within the structure itself. Plumbing shope, etc. Those kinds of things that have a retail portion to it as well as a wholesale portion to it. It allows industrial as well as commercial. ! Mary Louise Chairman Brown noted that in response to the question of why are we here tonight, that the Planning ,Commission recommended! by a vote of 5 to o that the project be approved. There were five Planning Commission members present that night which made a quorum. That was one of. the things that influenced us to make a determination of non-significance at! that time. That's one of the reasons we're here. We've had the staff presentation, now we'll have the applicant presentation. ! TOM GRAVES, APPLICANT: Mr. Graves stated that the! main thing that he wanted to do here was 1 isten to the people and' maybe ~xplain ,what ,was going to happen there. The biggest problem from what I c<\m understand, is traffic. And we've agreed to take care of the traffic pro1:hem, even donate property for a lane. So other than that, the noise on the p~oject, all the businesses have to be self contained in a building. They'reinot going to have outside work. And, also,' you've got a buf fer around t:ije place that's more than adequate. 25 feet on one side, 45 on another. i 60 feet on Anderson Lake that's going to be all woods, so it's not someth!ing that's going to stick out. Other than that all we can do is answer qp'estions and explain what we're going to do. ! ! The Chairman asked if anyone had a question for Mt. Graves. I RITA DAVIS: What happens to this pathway here (albng Rhody Drive) that goes through Chimacttm Park? What happens to all this? I Mr. Graves answered that if the path is in the Park it will still all be t~ere,but if its' on their property, which is private property then people ha~e to understand. They are letting people do that now. Mr. Graves asked if! they shouldn't l.lSe fheir property because someone wants to walk on it? Hei continued by noting that everyone wants piece and quiet. You got to have! growth and it's going to come whether you like it or not. There's a lotofipeople here with kids and they would like to grow up here and stay here and to do that they need jobs. 3ACK WADE: 3ack Wade stated that no one has been able to tell him what's going to go in there. You say all of the businesses are going to be inside buildings? Can I rent one of those buildings fro~ you and put a dance hall in it and make all the noise in the country? t-1r. Graves responded, no. The rules say you have to meet 57 db as the most] noise we can make in the place. And that's less than commercial. There'~ not going to be a dance hall there. DAVE CLEVENGER: Dave Clevenger stated that he agr~es, he would like his kids to be able to stay here and not have to leave like he did. I also think we need to take into consideration what's best for the whole area, when we do have growth. We need to take a hard look at how ~e want it to grow. , NORMA CLIQUE: How will you dispense the water td assure that everyone has ade~.late water in all of those buildings, when m~ny of the residents don't have adequate water in the summer many times? Mr~ Graves stated that there is a water system on Anderson Lake Road that was !just installed a year ago VOL 1,5' '1';: nf' 2020 r"u. u.. . . Commissioners' Mee ing Minutes: Week of May 1, 1989 Page: 8 and they have agre d to pay for a portion of that for their water. It's City water. PAM BOTNEN: a question about traffic. Will there be a turn lane or something? Mr. G aves responded that there will be a turn lane on Rhody Drive and they hav already agreed to donate property on Anderson Lake Road for another turn 1 ne or to put a third lane in the middle for turning on and off so you wouldn' slow down the traffic. Mrs. Botnen asked if there would be a traffic repor? Yes, Mr. Graves responded, that is one of the things they want to go t rough. Would this project being passed hinge on the traffic report? I just wondered there are so many kids on the road, Mrs. Botnen added. I j st wondered for their safety. The County will study that Mr. Graves added. 3ESS COVINGTON: responded that he Covington asked th Mr. Graves if he w o's going to monitor the noise level? Chairman Brown ould imagine it would be the Planning Department. Mr. County when they are going to buy a machine and he asked s going to help pay for the machine? SHARON TYNER: We have development area already designated for commercial that isn't being u ed, why isn't' it being developed there? Chairman Brown stated that he doe nit think the proponent owns property in that area. Mrs. TYner suggested th t they buy it because that's part of the cost of business. MIKE GRAVES: Tha 's the same for any business. I understand you have a business right in our yard. Mrs. Tyner indicated that they do not. When a family business ~stablishes in the County there are really no restrictions to noise or anythi g. And anyone can establish one. This is going to be a well organized pro ect, and its' going to be done right. It's going to be like a bunch of backyard businesses all consolidated into one area, which will actually be b$tter for the community. MARGOT FOXFIRE: T ere will be 25 or so units here - what's going to fill them? What busine ses in particular do you have lined up? How much will they go for? Will they be prefab metal units? TOM GRAVES: We don't have any businesses lined up. This will be built in stages. As the de and comes, we'll build more buildings. It's our,risk if no one locates the e and we're willing to take that risk. I don't know what the rental rate w 11 be right off the bat. The buildings will be pole construction metal buildings. LLOYD OLSON: How far does the County own property toward the proposed project? Commissi ner B. G. Brown stated that the County owns property from the Chimacum Park lear to the Anderson Lake Road intersection. Mr. Olson asked that if thi project is permitted would a similar type project be possible? Could hatever land is available then develop into a larger industrial situati n or commercial? Commissioner Dennison stated that this is a good question that should be addressed. Commissioner B. G. Brown noted that this could ha pen. Mr. Graves added that they do not own the project on Rhody Drive, th County does. HOWARD ZIMMERMAN: having some small will you screen ou What, if any, thinking have you given to the idea of llegal entrepreneurs moving into these buildings? How that kind of skullduggery? TOM GRAVES: aves stated that they will check on their people every once in a while an see what's going on. I think we'd do that. We would have to turn this ype of situation over to the police. DAVID CLEVENGER: as there been any kind of impact study done on this kind of development bei g done in a residential area as far as increased crime, vandalism, robbery, depending on what types of businesses in the area. What do they bring with them, besides just the act of bringing jobs. What else will this project bring with it? Mr. Graves responded that no one knows that, but the more jobs you bring to the area, the less chance you have of crime because peop e are working instead of out stealing and running around the streets. Put neople to work, they don't have time for trouble. ,'10;" 15 r' ",' : MI.,'_ fie 2021 Commissioners' Mee ing Minutes: Week f May 1, 1989 Page: 9 JESS .COVINGTON: I'd like to suggest t you and the County Commissioners that in the future you ring a map to put n the wall and show the people what is going on, the area we're talking abou . The Chairman then pened the public h aring for comments for or against the proposed project. Commissioner Denn son stated that the County is unclear as to the exacteaning of the po icy limiting this intersection from neighborhood comme cial development. This was community plan was done in 1982 and we need t get a sense from the community as to whether or not this plan is still appr priate now. JIM OLSON uilcen: Jim Olson stated that he has been in this area for quite a number of ears. He is suppor iveof the project. He is also a real estate broker and e noted that this roperty would not be considered prime residential proper y. The traffic is already there. This site development would not bring a ot of new traffic. People, if they were choosing a site to build a home, w uld not build on t is site. The highest and best use of the site would be ore in the non-re idential which brings it into commer- cial, possibly ind strial type of de elopment. We have to look at ways of supporting theeco omy of eastern 3e ferson County. There are some rather big impacts that re taking place, ince this happened in 1982. He then referred to the 10 year plan of the Q ilcene Ranger District which shows in 1987 that 35 milli n board feet a yea of timber. By 1995 they are showing that cut reduced down to 5 millio board feet. With that change, the Olympic National F rest which is prese tly contributing $4.4 million per year in timber tax reve ue to the County, he County will lose a million dollars in timber tax rev nues. You and I w 11 have to make up that revenue, our taxes are going to have, to go up. I addition to the million dollar loss, there will be a l1sS of 200 jobs in he next five years. We need to have controlled industrial growth and job rowth. The Tri Area Commu ity Plan was done hen there was not as much activity in this area. This area is located i a key role to help all of eastern Jefferson County 0 help provide jo s and help support the economy. We should allow this roject to become a Commissioner Denni on asked how this roject would provide jobs if we don't know what's going in there and we'v got 400 acres down the road already designated as comm rcial/industrial t at's not being used? Mr. Olson noted that he serves on t e executive commit ee of the Economic Development Council of .Jefferson Coun y where they see businesses that wish to come to the County. We've ha to turn away sev ral businesses in the last year that wanted to have 5,0 0 to 10,000 squar feet of space already available. No one, at that time as willing to buil a building ahead of the demand. This was restrictive. r. Graves noted th t they intend to build one building to start and then whel that's leased the they'll build another one and so on. TOM JAY: Tom .Jay 18 year resident of Jefferson County who has owned and operated his own usiness here during that time. Has concern because t e proposal basica ly conflicts with the land use plan general policies n maintaining the rural character of the community and encouraging a clos knit and coopera_ive climate. One of the things that we hear from devel pers is that they're going to bring money and jobs into the cotUlty, but th re are also hidde social costs with every development. I think of fire a d police protectio , the impact on the schools, and the impact of industry in an area that m kes an attractive kinds of nuisance. There's a possibil ty of vandalism an theft. One concern is gra hically illustrate by the land use map. Again this goes against the genera nature of the pIa , if you break out of the commercial zone and start sp eading that you ar basically eroding the plan. You've started an erosion of what the people wanted. Traffic on Rhody Drive is already co gested. In the last ten years Rhody Drive has become very clogged art rial going into Port Townsend. This development, if it goes to its' full otential, could have traffic backed up past the school an even into Port To send. The cumulative impact of this project will be qu te large. VOL 15 t ;(: (~2022 Commissioners' Mee ing Minutes: Week of May 1, 1989 Page: 10 Depending on the ind of industry that come in there are going to be some special requiremen s put on the Fire District. Different kinds of industry require different kinds of fire protection. He suggested that, if the project is approv d, a condition of approval for the project be that the developers be requ red to submit a fire plan and work very closely with the Fire Department to provide a total kind of fire protection. Industrial develop ent - Jefferson County's aquifer re-charge areas haven't been adequately su veyed yet. One of the major limiting factors for growth and public health n 3efferson County is the groundwater resource. If this development goes n and there is discharge of different industrial waste products are into he sewer system, I would like to see a very clear idea of how they are going to be treated. It is incumbent on the developers to do a detailed soil su vey of that area. We need to know what kind of sub soils situation we have n this area. Jefferson County is in a period of very rapid growth. There is a lot of money coming into the County. Money can act one of two ~ays. It can act like blood. If yo have ernest business people coming into a community, who have basic communi y values and are committing themselves to being around for the long haul. Th t resource is a nurturing resource. There is another kind of money which is asoline money. This money is hot volatile and is to be used to make more money. This money erodes local communi ties. Mr. .Jay stated that he is ot against development but wants to see people bring their blood into this co nty not their gasoline. MARY LOUISE NELSON Mrs. Nelson stated that she and her husband have lived here for many year and have seen many changes. Some of them have been good and some of them h venIt been so great. Since we went to the trouble seven years ago of makin a plan for this community, it still applies, as far as the residential ar a is concerned around here. That area could be profitably used for residence. We live about 300 feet off of Rhody Drive, and have a good buffer of tre s. We hear the traffic, but it doesn't keep us awake at night. I even lik to walk along Anderson Lake Road, but if this development goes in that's goi g to be out. It's already unpleasant to walk along Rhody Drive. I think th t the statistics about taxes might be misleading. A lot of the timber tax s go back to the State. An industrial development like this should go i to the designated area. I think the plan should be respected. NORMA CLIQUE: N rma Clique stated that the thing that she finds most devastating is the idea that we all came here for fresh air, a good place to live, beautiful ti ber to look at, as well as little jobs that can keep rural communities going, such as milking cows, forging the steel horse shoes and things like that. The traffic impact could be devastating to the whole area here, for the simp e reason that living on Anderson Lake Road, for many years that traffic is ab ut fifty fold to what it was when I was first here. You can't even walk on Anderson Lake Road all the time. It's a narrow road to start with. With his business coming in they're going to have to redo the entire road, for he simple reason that you won't have a place for the children to walk 0 take their bikes or anything else. This is a recreation- al and community rea with the Community Center and the County Park being here. We need to consider what is the most important thing in our lives. Is it the almighty dollar or is it the fresh air the good water and the clean living that we can have. JOHN TYNER: John yner stated that he doesn't see anything wrong with the community plan as it is now. There haven't been a lot of people trying to change it over the past seven years. There is commercial land available two miles down the road for sale. The area is designated residential right now, if this park goes n and doesn't change the underlying designation, how will that effect the t xes on the rest of the property in this area that is residential? (Dav d Goldsmith noted that the underlying land use designation would remain resid ntial, if this project is approved). DAVE CLEVENGER: D ve Clevenger stated that he is a lifetime resident of the area. I'm not a ainst development I bu tit's 1 ike taking an area ( 1 ike putting a speck in a diamond) that is rural and if this business is allowed and it expands tha opens the door for unseen development, and you, the body VOL 15 i f~(l~ fiC 2023 Commissioners' Mee ing Minutes: Week of May 1, 1989 Page: 11 of Commissioners, can't guarantee us that won't happen. We choose to live here because of w at the area has to offer us. Somewhere along the line everybody has to s op compromising. Why should it always be the residents of an area that salrifice for a developer. To much of people's concern are being ignored by County officials and State officials, because they're worried about the ollar. And, I think, that we have to protect ourselves. If the area does ex and like that I'll choose to leave, and that's a real sad thing to state. JESS COVINGTON: ess Covington stated that he was one of the original members of the Tri Area Planning Board that went through about two and one half years of sett ng up the Tri Area Community Plan. We gave the Commis- sioners a clear pi ture of what we wanted in the area. That picture is what I still hope for. That's what I still want to see done with the area. We worked hard on it nd I think we gave you a good plan for the whole area here and let's try to 1 ve by it. LLOYD OLSON: Lloy Olson stated that he is speaking as ,a 13 year property owner, taxpayer. run the loop around here so I know what the road is like. I do know the ar a in a number of different ways. He added that he appreciates the op ortunity to be heard. No one depends on money more than the business I wo k in. As a school district, I could hardly turn down growth because it oes inevitably affect the operation of the schools. For someone to say the are bringing in new industry which will improve our tax base, perhaps empl y some of our graduates, I commend that. On the horns of a dilemma, I go to the other side and say, all that what these people have said and what they ant and what they hope will happen in this community will different than the communities that we all have lived in at one time or another. T~at is imply that we maintain this relatively rural area. It's quickly changing. We have a growing school district on a 50 acre site which will grow one way r another. We are next to a very busy highway and thQse two thing do not ix. The bottom line is that the more you add to the complexity of the ituation, the more problem you are going to add to that corner over here a d soon its' going to be perhaps a youngsters problem or some driver or wha ever. We can have it as we wish. I would opt in favor of not approving t e project. Maintain this rural area as best we can. HOWARD ZIMMERMAN: Howard Zimmerman stated that he's been paying on a piece of land here for 33 years. I've come home again to this place, permanently, this year. I've b en building a place on Anderson Lake Road for 8 years, now. I'm ambivale t about he decision these gentlemen are going to make. I haven't seen a ommuni ty as fragmented as this supposed communi ty is. You've got Irondal , Ness's Corner, Chimacum, Hadlock and God knows what else, each of whi h is claiming to be a community. And all of them are trying to strive t supposedly become the center of things. Cottage industry i not a solution for the growth problem of this County. Essentially what i proposed here, and I think I'm for this, under your reasoning perhaps eaning money, even though it is supposedly against the pristine nature of the area. Everyday I listen to the trucks, and the cars and buses and God now what else, including bicyclists by the drove, going over Anderson Lake Road, over the ridge, because I'm at the top of the ridge and within 200 fee of the road. Anderson Lake Road isn't pristine. There is a problem of ottage industry as a solution for finance from the standpoint of litt e dabbles of business here and little dabbles of there. A lot of what we're paying in this County out here is not designated for the County and its' pre ervation or development, but rather for the State and for the boat harbor in Port Townsend, etc. I resent that personally. In addition to that, take this matter of the rural, quiet, pastoral character of this area. Ha e you listened to the children from this area running through the woods n their off road vehicles? I don't think this business that'~ proposed ov r here, will have a thing like that. This business will make less noise th n these kids on their vehicles. Also, I'm intereste in the question of people focus versus money and things focus. I'll guaran ee that the people focus starts with people and not with the presence of business, particularly if its' a cottage industry. Essentially that's what's being proposed. One cottage after another to be VOL 15 '~. r tr'!.(r 2024 r,"k U\.. v Commissioners' Mee.ing Minutes: Week of May 1, 1989 Page: 12 built and put in I agree that they should be aesthetic. They should have landsc ping around them to make them attractive. I on the other hand don't agree hat you chop out the business that, is going to give you bread, butter and school'money, because you are deluded into thinking you have a pristine ar .a, when in reality you don't. If you re~llymean to keep the place pristine you'll follow the rules that were established originally, and I'm speaking t you gentlemen as .Commissioners. Rather than permitting a lot of variance , which have been permitted in the past. I don't know whether you, people who made the rules originally were really making sense or just exerqising yo rprivate biases, which, in fact, is a real possibility, it seems, to mym nd. I'd follow the rules if the majority of the people present were here t the time they were made and they said tha,t' s the long range plan we want you to follow. I'm amazed the plan has not already been put into law as fa as the base rules of the County go. DENISE LOPEMAN: nise Lopeman stated that she has lived here for 10 years. Her husband has Ii ed here for 16 years. Ten months ago they has a new home put on their prope ty. Concerned about what kind of people this development will bring in. Co cerned about noise level because they live exactly 1/8 of a mile from Ander. on Lake Road. Once a year the County brings in a rock crushing machine i_to their pit. We lay awake at night listening to this. Another concern is the traffic on the road. To get across the street to pick up her mail, takes 10 minutes ea.ch day, sometimes it's 10 minutes both ways. .JACK WADE: .Jack W de stated that he's lived here since before Brownie (B.G. Brown). I had my own private well for years, now on I'm city water. The main stream of wat r that the City gets their water out of for the well here goes right within 100 feet of this complex that they're putting in. The range of the well epth is from 80 feet to 180 feet. The range of your sand and gravel is down to as high as 80 feet. There you have very little distance for a sep ic system from a big complex, is going to go into the City water. I will agre~ that we do need a complex around here someplace, bU.t not necessarily here. MARGOT FOXFIRE: rgot Foxfire stated that she has been a resident here for over 10 years. en they have no environmental impact. They say no significance envir nmental impact and they waste acres. This is not jU.st this project, but 11 over the County. All the wildlife that that acreage supports. That is np environmental impact to loose that habitat? What is more significant. That's meaningless. Someone should clarify or work on what that means. ow, one tree doesn't mean anything. An acres ,of trees doesn't meananyth ng, but if you're aware of the atmosphere of the world, every ,tree now is becoming important because it's recycling this carbon dioxide which has the greatest buildup in the history of life on earth. Trees are life to us. I wonder what it means in the future of , mankind, that our trees are going to count as well as the great tropical forests, down in the jungle. Trees are important to me and to the birds and animals that aren't here tonight to s y anything. We need jobs and I'd really like to see a complex like this 0 in. If this goes against this comprehensive plan then it means that the omprehensive plan is meaningless. A lot of the children really don't want 0 stay here. They will be disappointed to see when they come back what we' e done to their backyard. DAVID CLEVENGER: avid Clevenger stated that he listened to Mr.. Zimmerman speak and he was aying that this area isn't a pristine area. Well, my corner is. My ki s don't own dirt bikes. I don't allow them on private property. I contro my children. If someone comes through my property on a dirt bike, they on y do it once. We still have to preserve some, we don't have to compromise it. 3ust because someone feels that it isn't that way, 'go ahead and let i happen. Our little area is pristine. PAM BOTNEN: Pam Botnen asked Tom Graves what will happen to you (Mr. Graves) and everybody if his doesn't go through? Tom Graves stated, we'll die. We'll perish from t e earth, just like the trees. Someone else asked if they could trade proper y for some that is commercially zones? Tom Graves said that he doesn't kn w about trading the anybody. The whole idea here is that. it's a perfect loc tion because of where it's at. I don't know of anybody who would want to uild and live there. If they would and if they're here the property would be for sale for them then. VOL 15 r: GC 2025 .. ~. . ~ # Commissioners' Meeling Minutes: Week of May 1, 1989 Page: 13 PAT SMITH: Pat Sm th. said TO Tom Graves that when he came to him on Friday, he asked Mr. Grave point blank, what he was going to do with the property and was told you ere going to build a house on it. (Mr. Graves responded that happened fiv years ago). The developers and Mr. Olson, Mr. Smith continued, when th s property is all developed, won't live anywhere near it. You won't see it. We'll see it every day. When you do bui Id on this property, what gu rantee do we have that you won't sell it off as an investment and th next people won't take care of it. We don't have the guarantee. Mr. Gr ves stated that that would be a condition that WOllld go onto the next pers MARY L . NELSON: Nelson stated that that are.a is as well adapted to residences as any rea where a house sits right now. There is good drainage for septic tanks ar..d you have to have a septic system. A very good use for this property woul? be, a well planned mobile home park. Lots ofbllsinesses go into business a d then go out again. BUD GRAVES: Bud Graves said that they've done the same thing with the Safeway and those of places. They've condemned them, didn't want them in there. They've f ught it for years and it's actually looked 100% better after it's gone in~ The land, everything around it, and that would be the same deal on that orner. It would look better than it does. Hearing no furthe comment for or against the proposed project, Chairman Brown closed the p blic hearing. 30hn Tyner asked w en a decision will be made on this project? Commissioner B.G. Brown stated hat a notice could be put in the paper. John Tyner then as ed if the traffic study will be part of the input on this project? Commissi_nerDennison stated that the Board doesn't make a decision whether this project' happens or doesn't happen. They make a decision on whether an enviro ental impact statement will be required for the project or not. JEFFERSON COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS ~V~ -George c' Brown, Chairman &A4A~~ B. G. Brown, Member Lorna L. Delaney, Clerk of the Board VOL 15 n~ 2026 " i~l)~ U!'