HomeMy WebLinkAboutclosed_caption09:00:39 Okay. Well, I'm not sure why I just know that the computer was very slow this morning.
09:00:44 So, we're recording on zoom with soon as I hit record, and that will be just the one I upload later then.
09:00:57 I technology, I'm getting a new computer in this month so
09:01:07 it looks like we're at nine o'clock. So I will call this Monday, February 2 meeting of 2022 meeting of the Jefferson County Board of Commissioners to order and good Monday morning,
everyone.
09:01:26 I'm glad to see some of my colleagues getting out skiing, I'm jealous.
09:01:29 I want to hear stories about that.
09:01:33 I'm quite gray I'm getting tired of the color of the sky The sun was welcome yesterday and I repotted a bunch of stuff in my greenhouse I'm feeling really like springs around
the corner.
09:01:45 Anyway, so anything. Before we get started this morning Greg or Kate on greenhouses I do feel like springs here, everything's starting to sprout up the chart and everything
our greenhouse too so yeah early but welcome.
09:02:00 It's supposed to be a nice week after today just to get some sunshine and warm attempts.
09:02:04 I'll take that.
09:02:07 So as we do with all of our Monday meetings, we're going to start off with public comment. As most of you know we give up to 30 minutes for public comment.
09:02:15 We invite everybody who wants to to raise their hand, using the raise hand button and zoom.
09:02:22 Or if you're calling in I see some people on the telephone. You push star six to speak when you're called on that right star six star nine to raise hand star six to unmute.
09:02:36 Thank you.
09:02:38 So, I see a couple of hands raise so we'll just get started.
09:02:44 All right, I'll bring over Stephen first and then Sue will be up next, and then just letting you know my ad capture looks like it's online again but my zoom screen is frozen
so bear with me.
09:03:02 Technology.
09:03:04 Mi my on your on okay well I'm gonna try another audio visual thing.
09:03:12 You're on. Okay, well I'm going to try another audio visual thing. I don't know if you know about this but these are.
09:03:15 This is a phenomena that sort of sweeping through Canada are neighbors to the north.
09:03:21 This is the auto tracker protest.
09:03:25 The focus of the protest is that these trackers are being required at loss of their jobs, be wearing to be the backs, I guess, even though they're loading their trucks trying
to transport stuff okay I'm gonna be quiet for a second.
09:03:40 all around the world, there's a lot of, you know, but right here in Canada. Even there's a lot of truckers obviously that can't make it all the way to Ottawa, and quite frankly
that city is not big enough for the no city is big enough for the amount of
09:03:53 people and vehicles showing up it's just amazing. So, a lot of organizations put together, local convoys in towns and cities across Canada it's happening right now as I speak
all across Canada, I can actually hear the horns I'm on an island.
09:04:10 I'm in between major cities and I can hear the horns outside coming from at least one of the city's, this is happening right now, across Canada.
09:04:22 The remainder of this for the remainder of my three minutes I'm going to try to lower the volume on this. This is just sort of showing how this is sweeping through Edmonton
and Vancouver and Toronto and Victoria, the spell out on this and this is a popular
09:04:38 movement basically at this point, you know the polls show the majority of Canadians support it.
09:04:45 People are, you know, riding food and and other things to try to help these trackers, and it's kind of amazing something that seems to be sort of a marginalized thing in Port
Townsend is actually the civil rights movement right now, you know, a lot of
09:04:59 it is targeted anger against the lockdowns that Canada has been suffering, the past couple of years.
09:05:07 And one thing that's really concerning me right now is is that at this point now government crackdown is occurring instance popular movement, this just happened over the weekend.
09:05:20 The mayor of Ottawa order the police raid to steal the gasoline, out of the vehicles. The government has force, go to story.
09:05:31 The funding services they basically misappropriated $10 million of funds that people have donated to these movements. And so at this point it's a very fluid situation.
09:05:41 And, you know, what can I say I mean, these are these are individuals small poor working men who are basically so outraged at what's going on in their country and people seeing
people's jobs being taken away that they're taking it to the streets and,
09:05:56 you know, I don't know yet. To connect this locally.
09:06:02 I know that there is a there was a settlement in Collin County about the mass mandates and restaurants and so apparently that's going to be ended at some point but it's very
big when.
09:06:14 And you know, what's the science about all this. I mean, you know, why are why in the mass mandates now as opposed to three weeks from now or whenever you know why try to make
truckers alone in their vehicles get vaccinated.
09:06:27 You know we have got this whole thing. So it's not hitting my three out of time.
09:06:32 Thanks very much. Okay.
09:06:37 Who is up next.
09:06:44 In regard to the trucker convoy. There was a port to port convoy starting in Port Angeles and Port Townsend on Saturday and I was part of that and it was very heartening to
see there was the least 50 cars going to and from Port Angeles and Port Townsend,
09:07:01 supporting our truckers in, not only in Canada but it's happening in the United States. So, this is very very important to us. And this is aside from what I wanted to say but
I'm going to go ahead and say what I had scripted here.
09:07:16 My name is Sue Kaufman I reside in Port Angeles. Are you aware of the there's vaccine adverse event reporting system, do you understand that it's reporting of adverse reactions
to vaccinations within the United States is under reported that less than
09:07:33 1% of actual bad outcomes is even reported. Why doesn't our health board include the fact that there are risks to these covert infection injections and stop touting how wonderful
and life saving they are coven is not the killer it was assumed to be, and
09:07:53 our government's response to helpful and life saving and safe treatments, was to ignore them in favor of experimental gene therapy injections that permanently alter your immune
system and not for the better.
09:08:09 These idolized and revered jobs are proving to be extremely unsafe for many, many people, especially our children.
09:08:19 The side effects of these shots, have not been addressed at all and will be borne by our children and adolescents for decades to come.
09:08:28 As of January, 28, there have been 747,759, United States reports of adverse reactions to all of the covert injections. These numbers are being mostly ignored or deemed coincidental.
09:08:47 This is abominable, we the people are your employers, you work for us. It is high time that our boards agencies and governmental departments, start listening to us, the people
of the states and stop spreading the fear of Coleman, and start spreading the
09:09:05 truth about the vaccines. Thank you.
09:09:11 Thank you, Sue.
09:09:14 Is there anybody else who's joined us who would like to make public comments, if so please raise your hand using the raise hand button on the bottom of the zoom screen or press
star nine to raise your hands.
09:09:28 And then when we call a new star six to unmute yourself Is there anybody else out there, interested in making public comment.
09:09:36 I see a couple bringing john Hamilton over
09:09:48 john you'll have to accept the promotion the panelists. There you go.
09:10:04 Okay.
09:10:04 Good morning john.
09:10:05 Good morning.
09:10:17 Just listening in, again, our first of all, haven't been on in a while but I want to thank the commissioners for the jobs they're doing and trying to keep things together these
troubled times.
09:10:20 And, you know, in comment to some of the last thing said you are doing what the public needs, and what the public wants you have been listening to us.
09:10:31 You know professionals who come up with what needs to be done with this pandemic.
09:10:37 And the appropriate people that do the science, have provided you information and direction and you follow that and I'm glad you did. So, I know a lot of people are disturbed
by having to get vaccinated and things of that nature.
09:10:53 But when I work for a large corporation, I always remember them letting me know that they make the rules in the workplace, and if they said you can't carry a gun in the workplace,
you want to step in that workplace, you don't have your constitutional
09:11:09 rights to do that you leave it at the door.
09:11:11 Same thing with these vaccinations they say you need to be vaccinated when you're at the workplace. Then, or it's going to cost your job, they do have by law in this country
the right to do that.
09:11:24 constitutional rights are left on the sidewalk when you go into the workplace, even if you're driving a truck. So I just want to point those couple things out.
09:11:34 I think some of these things have gone out of control. Anyway, I want to thank you again for all your hard work. Good to see everyone and talk soon again.
09:11:43 Bye.
09:11:46 Thanks john.
09:11:48 Is there anyone else on zoom or out there in the ether who would like to make public comment this morning.
09:11:55 If so, please raise hand at the bottom of the screen.
09:12:00 And I'm begging overcomes, and I'm queuing up Georgia.
09:12:15 Mr tears. Okay.
09:12:17 Good morning commissioners completely different and perhaps more local subject.
09:12:25 I wanted to, to address the consent item number one on your agenda which calls for you to
09:12:35 between now in February 28, which is the recommended date for the public hearing. It requires or recommends that you set a schedule for a workshop session to discuss the implications
of this change to the records policy.
09:12:51 So I'm hoping that you might want to pull that off the consent agenda discuss when you want to have that workshop. And, and, you know, pass that along.
09:13:01 That's, that's it. Nothing Earth shaking.
09:13:06 Thank you.
09:13:09 Looks like Deborah is raising her hand.
09:13:14 Oh, George young.
09:13:15 Yeah, and then I'll just have Deborah.
09:13:19 Can you hear me.
09:13:21 Yeah.
09:13:23 I want to
09:13:26 reinforce what district Hamilton said, and I want to also give a great shout out to Willie, who got us in 95 mass for our community and practically everyone in our community
where I live.
09:13:52 We have an emergency preparedness group all got the 95 mass, and we really appreciate that and thank you very much for your work to
09:14:01 unfortunately have to listen to some rather fanciful discussion about coven.
09:14:10 Take care.
09:14:14 Thank you, George.
09:14:17 Deborah.
09:14:29 Good morning, and meeting takes a moment.
09:14:32 I want to echo what john and George said in appreciation for your work, I find it fascinating to attend your meeting so I watch as much of it as I can.
09:14:46 Every Monday.
09:14:46 And I know that you can see the list of the people who are in the meeting, but it would be interesting if the rest of us who can't see who is in the meeting could get some tip
off about how many people are there, even if we can't see the names, it would
09:15:01 just make it more meaningful to be to be watching you. So thank you very much.
09:15:12 Thank you, Deborah I wonder that too so well right now on at capture you can see my behind the scenes so people are able to see if they're watching on TV.
09:15:25 I'm going to bring over k Claire, which I'm guessing is Kathleen Claire, not accept the promotion the panelists.
09:15:52 Good morning, Kathleen you're going to need to unmute. There we go. It takes a while for connections up here. Good morning and have to start off, thank you for your service.
09:16:03 I certainly understand the scope of what you are dealing with. And with pandemic I think it's added a couple of layers to interest into how you serve the county.
09:16:17 Because of the scope of interest, because of the scope of your responsibilities.
09:16:23 I know there is no way in your heaven that each of you can be a expert.
09:16:31 I would not expect Kate, to be the authority on building bridges across the rivers, nor would I expect, well I expect a lot more from Greg.
09:16:45 But seriously, when it comes to roads and public health, public safety, you're charged with the responsibility of delivering those services and counting on the experts who know
in scientific detail what it takes to keep our public safe.
09:17:06 So, even though we the people have elected you you as our representatives have the responsibility of listening to choosing the experts to guarantee that safety, and for that
I thank you.
09:17:29 Thank you, Kathleen anybody else.
09:17:33 I see we have now 37 attendees on zoom I don't know how many people are no baby captures working it's not on my screen but we never really know how many people are out there
but unless anyone else would like to make public comment, please use the raise
09:17:49 Raise your hand by pressing star nine to raise your hand and then star six to unmute when we bring you over.
09:18:04 Anybody else was going to make public comment this morning,
09:18:16 not seeing any more hands go up.
09:18:19 So, Kate or Greg, would you like to respond to public comment first.
09:18:26 Sure, I'll go.
09:18:28 Thank you very much. Thanks everyone for taking the time out of your Monday to spend it with us and to make comments we do appreciate it.
09:18:36 Let's see.
09:18:39 Going to Stephen's audio visual show first I am aware of the protests, I think.
09:18:45 Yeah, we're all tired of this, you know, I mean at every level, who we are tired and messaging has not always been perfect but these protests aren't about the science snores
Sue's comments which we've talked about all of those things many times I'm not
09:18:59 going to unpack them again but Welcome to your first comment to,
09:19:04 you know, I think Kathleen Claire hit it on the head, and I'll take that analogy a little bit further, you know, we often work with citizens who think the speed limit is too
high or too low, near their street, and that inputs important input, but ultimately
09:19:20 the subject matter experts that are staff at the county are the ones that are going to decide if that opinion is grounded in.
09:19:31 In, enough facts and you know the the highway handbook and the, the prescriptive engineering qualities that these roads need before we're going to raise or lower the speed limit,
and, you know, the same as same is true of public health, and I'm sure we'll
09:19:46 hear some of the, the vaccine mandate in restaurants and, I think, Dr. Barry might add more clear articulate articulate more criteria to end that vaccine mandate and we're all
looking for these to go back to relative norms, but I will say again about
09:20:09 the protests we locally have not created any vaccine mandate, so there's things, these protests are about really don't touch the policy that we're engaging in at the local level,
at all.
09:20:22 To thank you to to john and George, Deborah and Kathleen for being the often silent majority that is supportive of the path that we've taken in Jefferson County, but I think
that most people I've talked to including restaurant owners are appreciative
09:20:36 of the data driven and public health grounded path that we have taken through this, this horrible pandemic.
09:20:45 Great to hear that.
09:21:01 never been a better opportunity to to jump into a local neighborhood emergency prep group.
09:21:07 And Mr cherish. Yeah, you know, whether or not we pull it from consent let's get a date for that workshop in this process of consent agenda, and figure out when that's going
to happen so appreciate that, that note.
09:21:25 And I will stop there. Thank you.
09:21:28 Thanks, Greg.
09:21:32 A whole lot to add.
09:21:35 And I hope that folks will stick around and listen to Dr. Barry at 945 be, you know, we are are preparing for a pivot in our response to co bed, and that's being driven by the
science of course that we are, you know, seeing a drop off in cases of I'm
09:21:52 upon and, you know, we're going to have a higher level of natural immunity and vaccination and so we are very much preparing for the next stages.
09:22:02 And, you know, my hope is that as we do that as a community, we can also start to leave behind some of the divisiveness that has really defined, especially this last year of
the pandemic.
09:22:19 And, you know, I think, bringing up issues that are from another country and are largely politically and ideologically motivated is not especially helpful at this time and I
am frustrated with the ongoing chorus of voices saying that their personal liberties
09:22:37 are being violated when what we see in fact is that everything is open, people are out, people are traveling, people are recreating people are doing what they want to do.
09:22:48 There is not a massive violation of personal liberties people are living their lives and the economy is strong.
09:23:12 I just don't, I don't see the, the victims in this as those who are being asked to wear a mask.
09:23:06 So I'm frustrated that we continue to have this conversation and hope for that as we begin to pivot to the next phase of probate, which is going to have fewer restrictions and
unlikely less prevalence of virus that we can start to put away this this baggage
09:23:24 and move on into, into the future together and and stop have this being having this be so incredibly divisive.
09:23:35 Um, let's see.
09:23:36 I am hoping as your tears did see that we're talking about setting a date for an ordinance as well for the changes to the public records policy.
09:23:45 So, you know, certainly plan to have a robust public process around that.
09:23:51 So workshop as well as a public hearing.
09:23:56 And I think that's all I have for now.
09:24:01 I don't have a lot to add Although I will say over the course of the weekend I had a number of conversations and, you know, I, I'm hearing weariness in the community on all
fronts you know we're all tired.
09:24:15 I'm tired as I'll just speak for myself, I'm very tired of zoom.
09:24:19 When I decided to run for county commissioner, probably over a decade ago, when the sitting county commissioner decided he was going to retire. I never thought my entire campaign
would be on a screen.
09:24:34 And so for now it's been a whole year of that of campaigning on the screen.
09:24:39 And now a whole year of sitting as a commissioner on the screen and the reason I wanted to do this job was for my community and to have interactions with everybody, and to hear
people's concerns and ideas and that helped bring them, you know, policy that
09:24:56 would support what those ideas and concerns were and I, I just have heard so much I spent some time with the superintendents of both the gym I'm in Port Townsend schools this
weekend and I'm just hearing on all friends of the end especially leadership
09:25:10 in our community I mean just the kid the kids are struggling.
09:25:14 All of our kids are struggling.
09:25:17 This local elected official is struggling. It's just been a really hard couple of years and, um, you know there's a lot of things that I wouldn't personally want to see happen
that happened.
09:25:33 And I'm not going to go into specifics right now but I feel like it's been just been hard so um, before I tear up or something I'm going to.
09:25:44 I appreciate hearing from all of you every single person who made a comment today and we take what you bring to us to heart and we move forward with that and please don't hesitate
to reach out individually or come in a public comment.
09:25:58 It's really important for the for the citizens of our communities to speak to us as much as possible. And I would like to hear. As I've said before, more voices and more opinions
and about more issues and I know that this weekend going out to meet with
09:26:15 a number of constituents one on one in their driveways on their front porches to talk about issues that they're having individually and mean that's the work and it's all the
work that we don't see on these Monday mornings him screens that keep me here
09:26:31 at the table so appreciate it, everyone. Thank you for being here.
09:26:37 If there are no more hands that want to go up, we still have a few minutes if someone wanted to raise their hand and make another comment.
09:26:44 I'm not seeing any, maybe we will do consent agenda.
09:26:49 We have a big consent agenda today 17 items.
09:26:55 Is there anything that we want to discuss on the consent agenda.
09:27:01 Well, I guess, Mr tissues point, and I know Mark, can we talk about when this workshop might be and roughly schedule it for the public records policy change are we talking,
I mean there's only a couple of Mondays between now and the 28th, so right yeah
09:27:17 I would, I would likely schedule this for Monday the 14th.
09:27:25 Right.
09:27:26 So there's, there's no, there's no downside to having the hearing notice for a public hearing on the 20 Oh, no, no, because of the lengthy time required.
09:27:36 Yeah.
09:27:38 Great. and then yeah lots of great stuff in here, love, love seeing the the grant contract to the 750 from ARPA to facilitate that PD grants will be able to be a participant
in moving the needle on the broadband and great to see the collective bargaining
09:27:56 moving forward as well. so glad. Glad to see just progress. Yeah.
09:28:10 Then we're making progress on those so I just want to do a shout out to Tim Thomas, Ben Erickson for donating his, his effort and equipment to get started on site prep for the
jump playground at hga care all that is just above and beyond, it's really
09:28:28 really wonderful to see. Thank you.
09:28:32 And, you know, always pleased to see folks.
09:28:37 In this case, recommitting to their media assignments for the many, many boards that we have and rely on volunteers to help us with so thanks to the MRC folks and I will say,
Amy.
09:28:49 Amy has been great on the parks and rec board, I don't know how she's been able to stay active in that group as long as she has with her work at the hospital being so demanding
so thanks for her participation and understand that.
09:29:01 She, she needs to step away with a lot of other commitments.
09:29:08 I would just add that there are a number of vacancies still on Park, different boards, and they're all listed on the county website. If you go to the homepage and click on boards
and commissions, click on the first link there there, the top of that list
09:29:22 is the board and commission vacancies. So if you're interested in serving on any boards or committees, don't hesitate to reach out to your county commissioner and talk to us
about what you might be interested in some of them require more time than others
09:29:36 and we all each sit on about 20 boards and committees. And so we get to work with you in those committees to do things like work on parks or marine resources or solid waste
I mean all every issue in the community has, has a committee so don't think there's
09:29:55 something that you're not interested in on the list, and sure there. Heidi you might mention that the last Monday of every month, we're going to publicly review that they can
see list.
09:30:10 Yeah.
09:30:09 That, and that'll be a new item.
09:30:13 I think is a great change to our agenda standings and items so. Couple of things on this consent that I'm excited to see I've talked a little bit about campaign time for me
and during campaign time.
09:30:26 I heard a lot about body cams. And I'm glad to see our sheriff's office, moving in that direction and I'm glad we're going to be considering those. And I know that will change
our needs regarding public records storage and how we provide access to those
09:30:42 so I think that that's why we're having that workshop.
09:30:46 And then already budgeted right, we already budgeted body cams. They're coming. Yeah, just to get the public records our infrastructure to deal with.
09:30:55 So yeah, I think, I think the body cams are on order and you know we have a tentative arrival date and that's why the agenda request said in two months or so they'll have them.
09:31:07 And then, now the broadband match that's great that's a small investment to leverage I think it's over $9 million dollars in funding to the pod So, yes, that's 100 miles and
fiber optic cable and 650 homes, that will have access.
09:31:24 After the work is done that they currently don't have.
09:31:27 Awesome.
09:31:29 So, a lot of good things on the consent agenda and saying that I would entertain a motion to adopt
09:31:39 adopt the consent agenda as presented.
09:31:41 I will second.
09:31:44 All in favor.
09:31:47 Aye. Aye.
09:31:47 Opposed consent agenda is adopted.
09:31:53 We're moving right along 931, we have a few minutes before Dr. Barry and Willie I think we're getting really this week join us. So, anyone want to take a look at their calendars.
09:32:08 Sure. Just FYI Willie is not joining us today. Yeah.
09:32:19 I can go first. I had a fairly light week last week we're looking at last week at briefing course there was no fifth Monday meeting so as was alluded to, I took the opportunity
to travel through four states and go skiing and Utah and have a lovely time
09:32:36 while still attending some of the meetings, including attending a very caucus meeting, talking about the you know the ongoing struggles and their plans for the, it seems like
shifting plans for acquisition of the boats and staffing and everything we were
09:32:50 very informative.
09:32:52 Then I have on Wednesday the parks and rec advisory board meeting the first one, and unfortunately we did not get a forum so I think we're going to do a special meeting because
there's a lot of work to do for that in the next couple weeks.
09:33:06 I had a meeting with Cindy Brooks and Brian cue from the team Jefferson, etc In preparation for today's update on the, the Small Business grants and technical service grants.
09:33:22 I had an old three a meeting on Thursday and was starting our new, I don't know it's a bit of a bit of a process to elect officers but starting the officer election for this
year from the five counties that are formed that Council of Governments still
09:33:35 very excited to be working with some of the ARPA funds for home sharing for older Americans I think that's a really exciting cultural shift that we can, that we can pilot to
create more workforce housing, and also support folks wanting to age gracefully
09:33:54 in their in their homes.
09:33:56 When maybe they need some supplementary income or a little help around the house.
09:34:01 I made a presentation to the port Ludlow village council and everything was going great there, they're very invested right now and in the recycling there have been some, some
issues with dumping at the recycling facility out there at the partner level
09:34:20 center, and they've been very responsive as community and shout out to Robert Changhong who's leading the committee for the group to educate and has an article in the Portland
voice this this month about, about the delicate balance that are the free recycling
09:34:37 the cost the county over a million dollars a year is for these community pickup sites so i think i think the message is gotten through, and they've been very responsive.
09:34:46 And then I'll just say, speaking a little bit more to the fatigue traveling through, you know, Washington, Oregon, Idaho and Utah.
09:35:09 It's a lot of science and where man since I buildings and I would say about 50% participation in that through in all four states, you know the fatigue is very real. The risk
calculus is changing for people on a daily basis and Trust for Public Health,
09:35:19 and our government is at an all time low.
09:35:24 So you're my evaluation, my travel, so look forward to being back in the office busy week this week but it was, it was a nice, light week last week and love being out in the
blue sky and powder out in Utah.
09:35:37 Nice jealous.
09:35:47 Actually a trip, Greg.
09:35:44 last week.
09:35:53 See,
09:36:00 They are actively seeking out communities that have vulnerability to climate change that have populations at risk and in this case, probably economic distress as the populations
at risk, and have done climate change planning, and they.
09:36:19 So they kind of did three data analyses and then identified 10 communities that fit that bill in the state of Washington, they're reaching out to them with the Department of
Health State Department of Health to see if those communities need help in implementing
09:36:35 the climate change planning work that they've done. So they recognize that there's often not funding to do climate change work, and they see an enormous risk of climate change
to both to the the loans that they guarantee to the properties that back loans
09:36:52 that they have.
09:36:54 And also just to the economy in general, so it's great to see that they like the insurance industry you know there are people who crunch the numbers are seeing what a risk,
climate changes to our economic stability.
09:37:07 And so they've reached out to us, seeing if there are opportunities that they can help advance in the form of technical assistance or funding so that conversation is just starting,
but really interesting high level conversations and just really appreciate
09:37:22 having a climate action committee to be able to call on and say hey create we, you know, here we have an opportunity and. So Mark and I'll start working with some department
directors and seeing if we can identify some key projects that we might be able
09:37:35 to advance if we had a little bit of additional funding or lot, perhaps, we take a lot.
09:37:47 because we're about halfway through legislative session. Lot of work, last week on few different legislative issues. So our point oh nine sales tax rebate extension bill is
moving really well.
09:37:59 testified on that. On Tuesday morning and we're seeing very little resistance and way more support from a broad range of counties, which is great.
09:38:09 Something we will likely need to give some thought to is the reopening. There's a bill that's moving pretty quickly right now, reopening the voluntary stewardship program for
counties that did not opt in last time for them to consider opting in so they
09:38:26 expected that that bill will pass and we are one of a handful of counties that did not opt in that will then have to think about whether we want to do so.
09:38:34 So Ben Butler and I had a first meeting to discuss that and I think that will likely come before us.
09:38:43 See,
09:38:47 posing Management Group on Wednesday, and talking a lot about this this pivots that what's next, how do we start preparing for the next phase and kind of coming out of coven
for at least for some time and it's exciting to be able to be talking about that
09:39:06 and expecting a little more normal see moving forward, something we'll have to give some thought to as if and how we want to go back to the different format of the SEC meetings
so in person hybrid.
09:39:22 So, we also talked about that in the coordination meeting on Friday just starting to do that planning of.
09:39:29 If we're going to have, go back to kind of a new normal. What do we want that to look like and what do we need to be preparing right now in order to be ready to do that.
09:39:38 come spring or summer.
09:39:41 We have a monthly call Public Works and myself with our federal lobbyists, and this woman and crystal in the DC Office of strategies 360, and she provided some great information
that I will share with you guys through mark on a new guidebook for the use
09:40:06 of the infrastructure, dollar, the infrastructure act IAJA.
09:40:13 And it also has kind of a checklist of what local governments can be doing in order to prepare themselves to see funds from the infrastructure act, really helpful.
09:40:25 It's actually written in kind of plain English that's understandable and breaks down by every single program that that bill funded, who is eligible, you know what kind of matching
it's just really great so I would propose that we, we think about as a
09:40:42 Just really great so I would propose that we, we think about as a county really trying to identify what we plan to see from that. What do we need to do in order to position
ourselves well to do that and then also be checking with our other partners and
09:40:53 our fellow government agencies locally to strategize about kind of who's gone for what.
09:41:10 And, and sequencing those if need be. So, been talking with Mark about putting that on an ICT agenda a little bit later this year.
09:41:13 Um, I am watching the clock it just sorry bear with me, couple more things I have EDC board meeting on Thursday morning, we will be hearing from the EDC this afternoon.
09:41:25 At a meeting of the fellowship I did in Washington DC, we had our last meeting, virtually Thursday, and just going to miss having a sounding board of Commissioners from around
the country to talk about some of the challenges we face but maybe we'll be
09:41:44 able to keep that going. The maritime Washington National Heritage Area presented to the coastal caucus the 13 counties.
09:42:05 Heritage Area and that's the more likely to support that. But folks what a little more time to read that 400 page document.
09:42:13 I attended an equity committee meeting at the Port Townsend School District.
09:42:19 The district is really wanting to address racial equity issues and was really impressed to see the progress they're making that is hard work to do in big diverse institutions
and they seem to have really identified a core group of administrators staff,
09:42:35 parents coaches, people committed to doing this work and
09:42:41 was, it was great to see how much they have been able to commit to real culture change, and are open to a lot of community input on how that needs to be done and just really
applaud them especially when many school districts are across the country are
09:43:00 facing a ton of pushback to go the other direction. The school is saying we, we recognize our history we recognize the problems that still exists to this day and we're going
to face them head on and very heartening.
09:43:15 Then, see the said coordination, you know really trying to plant some seeds about thinking about the future the next phases.
09:43:27 And Dr. Barry will report on that with way more eloquently than I ever could. And then lastly the legislative steering committee meetings for the association of counties have
lots of, lots of bills to report on because last week was cut off week so we
09:43:42 now have a much better sense of which bills are going to be advancing any further or not.
09:43:48 So, sorry, Heidi I didn't leave you much time.
09:43:53 I have a list but the one thing I want to say when there's so many people on line is that I've been working with our auditor's office and our GIS job to do the next step in
redistricting which is redrawing the precinct boundaries for the county.
09:44:08 And we had a good meeting over a week ago but we haven't been together for two weeks with stakeholders from the Democratic and Republican parties to talk about the recent precinct
redrawing process.
09:44:21 And we're, we're really throwing the straws to the air and trying to get our precinct drawn right with with as much of a balanced population in each precinct as we can, because
right now we have precincts that range from 150 people to 1500 people, average
09:44:39 population and a precinct would be more around 700. So we're trying to get the number, more equity across our precincts, and the public will hear about that as we go forward
but I just wanted to share that one piece of information from the last two weeks
09:44:56 and I'll finish my, looking back when we come back to Commissioner briefing. This afternoon, I think.
09:45:04 And it is 945.
09:45:08 And we are going to invite Dr. Barry over.
09:45:15 I'm assuming.
09:45:17 What do you say Carolina, if I don't care yeah so she's there please raise your hand.
09:45:24 Don't care either.
09:45:30 Siri either. She happy to keep an eye on on the attendee list of it if you want to keep going with them.
09:45:35 Yeah, report I can let you know when she joins. Okay.
09:45:42 So I just talked about free repressing dang we have 39 precincts in our county and so when you average, the voters out, it's, it comes to about 700 folks per precinct where
we should be working towards.
09:45:56 There are some precincts that are smaller and need to stay smaller because they encompass one school district or a tribe, on the West End, but other than that we're really trying
to get parody in the then size of the voter base and each precinct dr Burgess
09:46:15 joined us. Yep.
09:46:17 Morning Allison
09:46:22 and morning full disclosure, I have a toddler home with me who's sick so we're going to see how well we can do this is small chance there will be a meltdown I'll have to cut
this short but I'm going to try real hard to make this work, because I know we
09:46:36 didn't do this last, last week so lovely to see you guys want to give you guys an update on the coven 19 situation. Nationwide cases are dropping rapidly, which is really hopeful,
we're actually seeing it all regions of the country at this point, hospitalizations
09:46:55 are just starting to decrease nationwide they're down about 27%, which is there a lagging indicator.
09:47:04 And the. Unfortunately, that's which are the latest lagging indicator, or not yet decreasing we're actually still seeing 2500 Americans dying every day do to cope with night
team so it's still a very serious situation, but case counts are dropping, then
09:47:21 subsequently after that we tend to see hospitalizations and that's follow so we're moving in the right direction nationwide, which is very helpful after the, the difficult couple
of months that we've had in Washington's cases are starting to drop as well
09:47:36 so cases statewide are down 37%, the areas that were hit first are dropping first so the largest cities, King County so how much County are seeing the most rapid drop off the
Olympic Peninsula is starting to plateau and seeing the beginning of a drop
09:47:50 but we haven't seen a significant drop yet, and then the east side of the mountains is still rising largely due to both their delayed Delta peak and also just the limited covered
19 precautions that you see on a side of the mountains in Jefferson County.
09:48:05 We are at 2753 cases as of today, our case rate is down slightly to 1069 per hundred thousand so we're nearly below 1000, but we have largely seen a plateau and the beginning
of a drop this weekend we only added 42 cases, which is about half of what we've
09:48:24 been adding in recent weekend so we're hopeful that that is the beginning of the decreasing cases that we anticipate.
09:48:31 We have three of our citizens currently hospitalized. And we have lost 23 of our citizens to to coordinate team in Collin County, our case rates are also starting to decrease
but not seeing a rapid decrease yet case right there is 1601 400,000, and we've
09:48:49 lost 95 of our citizens to cope at 19, kids up county is still relatively high they're starting to see their cases come down to their at 1700 cases per hundred thousand right
now.
09:49:01 So, full disclosure My daughter is climbing on the thing where this video is my arms holding it steady.
09:49:10 Barry, this is a very family friendly, not let it stop you. This is the reality we're all living in right now.
09:49:20 For better or worse, many of us have been working from home with toddlers in the last in the last couple of years so I know many, many folks know how this goes.
09:49:31 What we are seeing in our recent cases is really, we're seeing a market difference in hospitalization between folks who are vaccinated and not vaccinated.
09:49:40 The good news that we're seeing is for those who are fully vaccinated, we are seeing rates of hospitalization and death that are similar to the flu. So we have finally reached
that point that so many folks have talked about, since the very beginning,
09:49:52 there has been a contingent who has said Cobra 19 is about as dangerous as the flu. That has never been true before, but with vaccination it now, it's so we are at which is
not nothing you know the flu is still a very serious virus it's still hospitalized
09:50:07 as many Americans every year, and unfortunately killed many Americans every year.
09:50:11 But it is much much safer than cope at 19, and now with full vaccination. We're seeing rates of hospitalizations that are quite similar. Even in those over 65, so that's really
helpful.
09:50:23 Unfortunately for those who are not vaccinated, we do not see that similar reduction and severity, so it's still a very very serious disease for those who are not vaccinated.
09:50:33 So with that, I'm happy to start with questions from our commissioners and then I know we have quite a few questions from the public today, which I will do my very best to get
through.
09:50:45 Before we lose the patient's of our, our toddler friend.
09:50:49 I would defer anytime that I might consume with questions to that list I read that list of questions. It's a big one and there's lots of.
09:50:58 You want to get on my legs. Yeah.
09:51:03 There are great questions on the list I just was wondering before you get to it, Dr. Barry if you can go into a little bit the, the vaccine requirement for indoor dining in
restaurants, you know I know there's been lots of news and a lot of confusion
09:51:16 is, it looks like you've added a few more metrics for as criteria and I'm just wondering if you can go into where are we in Jefferson County, maybe compared to clown county
and for you know this March 11 or earlier or later date.
09:51:29 Sure, yes so we can talk a bit about that.
09:51:32 So one of the things we've talked about on this forum, before is kind of when is it safe to revoke the proof of vaccination requirement.
09:51:40 And we had settled on with the oma crowd wave likely a higher case threshold of 200 cases per hundred thousand, which is a little bit above what we were using before of 75.
09:51:52 The reason for that is that coven 19 with oma cron wave case per case is leading to less hospitalization death but still when you see a massive amount of cases, you see unfortunately
a massive surge in hospitalization and death.
09:52:05 So we set that threshold of 200 cases per hundred thousand. When I met with the restaurant owners who were suing me in column County.
09:52:14 We did have a good meeting to kind of talk about their concerns and their challenges, and one of the, one of the salient points that they brought up is that for many people,
a case threshold feels really opaque.
09:52:26 It's hard to believe that we're ever going to hit that case threshold. And so for some of them they felt like we're just never going to hit that. And that offered me the opportunity
to really walk them through the modeling that we have, which is that
09:52:38 we expect to be below that case they're controlled by mid March.
09:52:43 So looking at the modeling we're seeing out of University of Washington that's really when we expect to be below that case threshold as a region.
09:52:50 Now it's possible that Jefferson County will actually be there sooner, given that we tend to have much lower case rates than cloud county because of all the work we're doing.
09:52:59 And so if we get there sooner if we get below 200 cases per hundred thousand before that time period, then we can get.
09:53:11 Then we can see our, then we can see our order her book actually faster than the march 11 state that we anticipate will be there and cloud County.
09:53:20 Um, one thing that we did though was because we were really picking a date when we expect to really be below that threshold for column, We wanted to make sure there was a safeguard
in place, in case our, that didn't come to pass in case the modeling didn't
09:53:33 turn out to be true. And our hospital systems were still overwhelmed, we didn't want to do anything that was unsafe, and so we put kind of a safeguard in there but if the hospital
system if this was all entirely untrue the modeling was completely wrong.
09:53:46 And the hospitals were actively overwhelmed, we wouldn't revoke the order.
09:53:51 If but that's just kind of a safeguard since we were moving more towards a date threshold. Now, that, that agreement does not technically apply to Jefferson County.
09:54:03 But I do think that Jefferson County will be at that at that rate before March 11, or at least by March 11 so most likely.
09:54:11 We're going to plan on revoking the order for both counties around that same time.
09:54:16 I think it's helpful for our business owners to have some clarity around how long this order is going to last, so they can plan their business operations, they can plan their
hiring in their food ordering and all those kind of things.
09:54:28 And I do really think that by mid March, we're going to be in a safe place to do that, I wouldn't revoke the order, if I didn't think it was safe to do so.
09:54:35 But I do think we will be there. Thank you. That's really, That's very clarifying and just so make sure I understand So, on March 12 in flowering county if they're not below
200 cases per hundred thousand, but are below.
09:54:52 What is it 70% ICU beds 60% and 95 90% sorry, will you Will you do you anticipate revoking the order, or is that like a hard line. Yeah, it will, we will revoke the order, March
12.
09:55:08 If even if we're above 200 cases per hundred thousand, if, if the hospital system is functioning well. So say we're at 250.
09:55:17 Then we'll go ahead and read book it anyway.
09:55:20 And then in Jefferson County oh you're pretty much still you plan on using the metrics of 200 and, and in hospital capacity. So plan to stick with that now as we get closer
to that date.
09:55:31 If I'm if we see that really cases are moving down faster, of course, we could revoke it sooner. But I think it makes sense for our region to move together.
09:55:42 So roughly, I think we should plan on March 11 two, if not sooner, depending on our case rates. Great, thanks for diving into that little very, very reasonable and we had planned
on for, for the those who are listening we had planned on putting out some
09:55:55 messaging on this but the paper has been following it very closely so they put it out a little bit before our messaging come out I apologize about that but we will be doing
more communications with our restaurant owners in the next week to help them understand
09:56:09 kind of the nitty gritty of these details.
09:56:13 I just asked them a quick follow up some restaurants may choose to retain a policy for themselves of continuing to require proof of vaccination correct absolutely so restaurants
can always do a more stringent option.
09:56:28 And so when we revoke the order countywide, that just means that restaurants don't have to do it, but if there are restaurants that choose to for their own safety, the safety
of their staff for their clients.
09:56:38 That's totally reasonable. In fact, right now there are some restaurants in King County that are more stringent than the King County order. They have decided to say that you
can't come in and lift.
09:56:48 And that's an option, you can do that. And so if any of our local restaurants, want to have a more stringent order, that's totally within, within their rights to do even though.
09:56:58 Thank you, you.
09:57:01 All right. Any other questions from the commissioners before I move on to keep etc.
09:57:06 Okay.
09:57:08 So yeah, we had 20 questions today. And so I will, I'll move through them, my very best and I know, Lily Benson can't be with us today Why me speak a little bit about the mass
distribution as well so I'll make sure and save a little time for that.
09:57:21 One of the questions from a listener said I do not feel eating outside at a restaurant is safe, as it might be given the highly contagious rate of oma crumb and the high number
of cases locally.
09:57:41 My husband does not agree with me. We are older people with other health conditions. What is your opinion.
09:57:37 And I would say, you know, outdoor dining actually is, is pretty safe right now, outdoor activities generally is see, we've not seen on a cron spreading outdoors, so we do think
that it is safe to go ahead and do that.
09:57:49 The one caveat, I would say is you do want it to be truly outdoor dining, sometimes I've seen some restaurants build outdoor facilities that just look like indoor that has been
moved outside that have kind of four walls around them and have no no air
09:58:03 movement, that would be less, but if you're actually outside on a patio with some heat lamps over you, that kind of thing that's very, very reasonable to patronize our local
restaurants that way and I know many of our restaurants have gotten really creative
09:58:17 with making those spaces actually pretty warm.
09:58:28 So it is a it is a good option for folks who want to stay safe but still enjoy eating out, and of course you can still enjoy take out some of our restaurants or takeout only
right now. And that's a good way to support them as well.
09:58:32 Um, so this question was about reinfection rates, so they were wondering about statistics around rates of reinfection to help people understand the risk.
09:58:44 Even if you've had COPD 19 before.
09:58:48 And we, we don't have a breakdown by reinfection for Jefferson County it's a pretty difficult number to get a couple reasons for that. One is that most of our re infections
came in the midst of this massive surge so our ability to do that kind of nitty
09:59:02 gritty gritty data parsing has been a little bit limited because of just the surge of case demand.
09:59:09 But also we know that currently many of our cases are not getting counted.
09:59:12 So if you take a home antigen test and you don't call us about it. We don't know. So we know that our reinfection rates are going to be an under estimate in Washington State.
09:59:23 They did just put out a new reinfection report in the last couple of weeks so you can find the Washington State Department of Health website if you go to the state do ah dashboard.
09:59:34 There's a whole bunch of reports in the report section that you can click through, but one of them is about the infections.
09:59:40 So what we know with oma chronic infections are much much more likely than they were with Delta, in fact you're 16 times more likely to get reinfected with Obama cron than you
were when the Delta virus was predominant in our region.
09:59:53 The other thing that we know is in Washington state as a whole, we have had 27,000 documented reinfection just in the last just since January.
10:00:04 So, and that's just the ones we know about which is generally going to mean you got a PCR, because most antigen tests are not counted at the state level.
10:00:12 So we know that it's really high in our region. We've seen outbreaks among folks who got reinfected so our first wrestling outbreak with oma Kron involved quite a few reinventions.
10:00:23 You can dramatically reduce your risk of getting reinfected if you get vaccinated. After you survive your infection so we're always really grateful and those in our community
have gotten through their infection and recovered, but know that it does not
10:00:36 provide 100% immunity from subsequent infection in the UK where they've had some of the largest dataset about oma Chrome.
10:00:46 They found that prior infection from coven 19 alone without a subsequent vaccination only provides about 20% protection against subsequent infections, it's not very good.
10:00:56 So you do want to go ahead and get vaccinated that's going to dramatically reduce your risk of getting home at 19, it's very safe vaccine. It's a, there's been some common misconceptions
both around protection and also around concern that the vaccine
10:01:10 wouldn't be safe. If you have already had Coburn 19. That's not true. It's very very safe. Basically what you can consider your prior infection us is about consistent with one
dose of the vaccine.
10:01:21 So if you've had an infection, you go on to get a to do series of the MRI and a vaccine, you're going to be pretty well protected. You can of course also go ahead and get your
booster.
10:01:29 And then you'll be very well productive.
10:01:33 Alright couple other questions but yes besides getting vaccinated after your prior infection we do recommend masking distancing that layered prevention that we've been talking
about for a while to keep focusing.
10:01:49 I'm one person asked about this idea of combined delta and oma chronic infection.
10:01:51 So what you might have seen in some early news stories of what people call Delta chron which sounds very scary. I'm not a real thing. Um, there was a there about I think 20
cases that were diagnosed in one lab in the world, and it was actually just lab
10:02:06 contamination of the equipment, so you can't get delta and I'm a cron at the same time, you can imagine when you run samples on equipment if it gets a little dirty with the
prior samples, and then you run another set.
10:02:33 That's how you end up with both viruses showing up in the same sample.
10:02:33 But we are not seeing that as a possibility, right now, what you can get is a reinfection so you had Delta you recovered, and then you get.
10:02:33 Otherwise, we got a question about the format of the the daily department health updates.
10:02:39 They asked what's the population considered South County is.
10:02:44 So South County is let me get the exact zip codes that's covered in tough County, that's the zip codes 98376 and 98320, basically quilting and brand that's that South County.
10:02:58 Sounds like we have some unstable internet at the courthouse so we've lost the video on two of our commissioners but they're still here.
10:03:06 So that's how you can kind of assess those numbers that you're talking about.
10:03:10 Cool scene in Britain there.
10:03:14 Um, this next question I think was an interesting one to dive into this person said as we look to future variants, is the medical community, looking at how to handle these loads
in a way that would for example, limit for any hospital how many ICU beds
10:03:29 might be assigned to those who are unvaccinated by choice or personal belief.
10:03:33 Is there any consideration to limit medical access of some services for the unvaccinated with the strain and risk for medical staff many leaving the profession and delays in
denial of services for others.
10:03:44 It seems to be a discussion point worth having.
10:03:47 So I think this is a, an important question to talk about it's it's a question I've heard a little bit. And I would say that the idea of denial of services for people who have
chosen not to be vaccinated is one that has come up in ethics discussions about
10:04:03 hospital utilization, but it is one that we have kind of all decided as a medical community that we're not going to do. And there are a couple of reasons for that.
10:04:13 I think this question brings up a,
10:04:17 a very valid concern, which is that we are all connected it just highlights the fact that we are connected what feels like a personal choice is not really, it affects the people
around you.
10:04:29 So when our hospital system gets overwhelmed by people getting treated for Copa 19, who are predominantly unvaccinated, and that affects the people around you that affects their
access to care.
10:04:43 I know in in many families it's affected access to surgical care so you've got people who need surgeries who can't get it.
10:04:51 And that does affect the entire community.
10:04:54 What, what we generally do in the health system is when it comes to limit, limiting care when there's not enough care around and we have to decide who gets it.
10:05:03 We make those decisions based on who is most likely to survive.
10:05:08 So it's based on a tree our system we don't make decisions based on kind of a test of the morality of how you got.
10:05:15 So you can imagine. We don't want to do that with coven 19 vaccines, and you can imagine why we don't want to do it in other spaces to, we don't want doctors and they're saying
well.
10:05:25 You don't deserve to be here because you got here because you were drinking too much, you know, are you got here because you weren't wearing a seat belt that's just not something
you do.
10:05:32 As soon as you come through our doors and you need care we provide you care. We don't care how you got there, we care how sick you are, and we do everything we can to get you
better, that's a decision we've made as a health system.
10:05:43 And we continue to make that decision so I want folks are unvaccinated to know that too, but we really really want you to get vaccinated because we want you to survive.
10:05:53 We don't want you to have prolonged disability, and we want the system to function for everyone, but if you get sick enough that you need that care. We're happy to take care
of you.
10:06:01 That's why we're here, and we don't judge how you got here. we just want you to survive.
10:06:07 But I do want to acknowledge the frustration of many in our community who wants to move on with their lives and it's frustrating to still be here, knowing that we have that
we have good treatments available we have good prevention measures available.
10:06:23 But, and there's kind of a desire to decouple ourselves that we would like we want we know we've learned that we're not islands and we'd like to go be islands, but we can't.
10:06:33 We are a community, we share our resources we share a hospital we share our water. We are connected and our decisions affect each other, and there's no ethical way to split
that.
10:06:45 So we'll still take care of you. Come on in, but do get vaccinated, it will make all the difference to putting this behind us, and in your health and ability to survive this
virus, if you get infected.
10:06:58 I'm. Next question, someone said yesterday I spotted this post on social media.
10:07:05 Basically it was person who said some nasty things about the idea that our numbers are really high and I must be that are our measures aren't working.
10:07:15 and this person asked, how would you recommend responding to it. And I would say, first thing is, don't, don't feed the trolls, it's never a good idea.
10:07:27 Um, it. If you see someone posting something on social media that looks inflammatory that looks, you know, out of whack.
10:07:34 My best advice is don't engage in never leads anywhere good, and generally sometimes that's actually what they want you to do, but it is good to know the numbers for your own
awareness.
10:07:47 So, one of the best ways to understand that is around our cumulative death rates in the pandemic. So, in the United States.
10:08:01 We have lost 256 people per hundred thousands as a population based kind of per capita metric, that's that's the average in the United States, Washington State has one of the
lowest rates of death due to coordinate to get all of the United States.
10:08:14 You can't open it you want me to help you. Okay.
10:08:18 So in Washington State, our death rate is quite a bit lower. It's 133. So approximately half of the, the death rate in the United States in Jefferson County archives rate or
death rate is half of that 72, we have one of the lowest death rates in all of
10:08:35 of the United States, do to cope with 19, and that's because of the work we've done here is because of the mitigation measures that that we've put in place it's because of the
work of our citizenry to follow those mitigation measures so we have done dramatically
10:08:50 better than the rest of the country and that's because of all this work, because of our age, we are, we would have been on track to do quite a bit worse, because we are an older
County.
10:09:00 But we haven't done that because of all the work that all of the people listening have done to keep everybody safe so it's made a difference. What sometimes you'll see is people
will compare different parts of the country that are at different phases
10:09:13 in their wave.
10:09:15 Sometimes they do that because they don't understand the data, sometimes they do that intentionally and try to mislead people about the data, but the numbers don't lie, we have
lost quite a few less people in our community.
10:09:40 Yeah.
10:09:43 So, it has worked.
10:09:46 It makes a difference. Many of our fellow citizens are alive now because of that work. And if you are doing that hard work, and you're getting frustrated because other people
aren't know that it's making a difference for yourself and for your community,
10:09:57 and so you can just quietly know that they are healthy and alive because of the good work that you're doing, and then don't engage on social media.
10:10:05 Right.
10:10:07 One person asked the grocery store at the shop that does not require employees to be vaccinated. And we have learned that one of the people who works in the produce department
is not vaccinated is his handling produce putting us as a shopper at any risk.
10:10:19 No, actually, I'm so the, there is a risk. You have folks who are unvaccinated indoors, because there is the possibility that they are, they have covered.
10:10:36 There's possibility that those who are vaccinated have Koba to it's just that that risk is much higher if you're unvaccinated.
10:10:39 Um, but we are not seeing spread due to contact. So back in the early days of covert we were doing a lot of cleaning of surfaces if you remember, that was before we learned
how cold it was spread, that's really spread in the air.
10:10:51 And so having someone touch your produce is not a risk for you. We still recommend printing off your produce when you come home for a variety of health and safety reasons.
10:10:59 And of course wearing a good mask when you go to the grocery store, so it can 95 KF 94 or 95 if it's on you, or if none of those feel good, or fit you well, a surgical mask
but o'clock mask over it, that fits it well your face.
10:11:13 All will provide you good protection. And of course, getting vaccinated and boosted yourself.
10:11:19 And along that line someone asked, How do you want me to start that one. Okay.
10:11:27 Well, why didn't predict.
10:11:31 We're feeling Kranz
10:11:35 Um, that this person asked how do you pick a good match. Can you know if you have an authentic mask, and that is a challenge, there's a lot of fakes out there.
10:11:44 So, couple couple things you can do.
10:11:47 Where's the top for, I don't know, buddy. Moms on her meeting Be quiet. Okay.
10:11:54 So if it's an N 95, those are actually NIOSH approved, so you can look and see if it's got a notch approval on it.
10:12:01 Another option is to get a KFKF 94. So KF 94 is the Korean model, which is roughly equivalent to a K and 95. They're made in South Korea, and there are very few fakes of KF
94.
10:12:17 So that's a good option. Many people find they're a little more comfortable than okay in 95.
10:12:22 And they, you can look to see if they're made in South Korea, and there are regulated by the Korean government.
10:12:30 I think you'll get your cheese but
10:12:35 we'll get you some more as soon as we're done with the meeting, I promise.
10:12:39 So if it's made in South Korea, it's likely to be reputable if it's made anywhere else it's likely not, and then a K and 95. There are a couple numbers you can look for to see
if they're stamped on the package or on the map.
10:12:53 We can do a post about this on Facebook to tell you a lot more details about it.
10:12:58 But it's the GB 262-620-0642 019.
10:13:05 Or you can get it from a reputable source. So long. So, project and 95, or bonafide mass or well before are all very reasonable places to find your Kanye five be really cautious
with Amazon, there's a lot of fakes on Amazon.
10:13:18 So that's a couple of basics of how to find a good match but remember the most important thing is that fits you well.
10:13:25 And that you'll keep it on.
10:13:26 So try a couple see what works for you. Some people find a can any five feels better. Some people find a KF 94 feels better. Some people can hold and then 95 on.
10:13:37 Try it on. And make sure you've got one that fits you well that you won't take off before you before you go out into a place where you need it.
10:13:46 And we are rapidly losing our toddler friend, Dr. Barry, I just want you to know I do have a written report from Willie from Friday, which I could share everything.
10:14:10 then I'll then I'll tag and Keaton to speak for Willie's presentation. Um, alright couple of things so someone asked about the data around coordinating hospitalizations.
10:14:17 If a patient was the recipient of to Mr. Na vaccines but not boosted compared to a patient who has unvaccinated, and if there's any data we could share there.
10:14:25 So yes, actually the Washington State Department of Health, post data every week about the risk of hospitalization and death and the risk of contracting coven dependent on your
vaccine status and they actually don't include boosters there, it's only if
10:14:37 you've received either to Mr. Na doses or a jnJ, or if you are unvaccinated that's the only people they compare there were there was some common misconception that that includes
boosters, it actually does not.
10:14:49 So we actually post that on our Facebook updates every week. And depending on your age, you are five to nine times more likely to get hospitalized. If you are unvaccinated compared
to if you are fully vaccinated, even if you haven't had a booster.
10:15:04 You've had your booster that dramatically drops actually 60 times less likely to get hospitalized compared to someone who's been vaccinated really really unlikely.
10:15:13 If you get your booster part of why so important to get that booster to reduce your risk of being hospitalized and your risk of spreading that infection to others.
10:15:23 You trying to pull the blanket over. You can do it. There you go. Okay.
10:15:30 Couple other things.
10:15:31 I'm one person asked about kind of the restaurant order lifting and actually asked if I could wait a little longer to lift it and so that's a little bit along the lines of what
we were talking about, um, I think it will be, you know, it's, it's such a
10:15:54 as a community because there are some folks who want us to have never written that order. And then there are other folks who really don't want that order to go away. And we
all have to figure out how to navigate this together as a community because we can't decouple our
10:15:59 can't decouple our community.
10:16:08 I do think that if we get our case rates down below 200 cases per hundred thousand, it will be safe to revoke that order. The reason is a matter of probability. So when your
case rates are low, the probability that anyone in that space has coded is also low, even if there are
10:16:17 low, even if they're unvaccinated it so if you have a very low risk, even if your neighbor who's unvaccinated is five times as likely to be infected as you their risk is still
up.
10:16:40 If we have low community prevalence and so your probability of picking up coven 19 in those spaces is lower. But again, some of our restaurants may choose to keep that order
in place, and that could be a good option for folks who want to go to a place
10:16:40 that has that order in place.
10:16:41 Or if you don't feel safe yet going out to a restaurant. That's okay. You can eat outside, you can get to take out, you have to, we all have to manage our own personal risk
and adjust based on what makes us most comfortable.
10:16:54 This person did ask about the masking requirements, so that we are planning on maintaining the masking requirements, the threshold for removing masking is lower than the threshold
for removing proof of vaccination primary reason is masking is something
10:17:08 we all can do. It has no economic economic negative. And we want to be cautious that we don't bring about a significant unnecessary wave by revoking masking too soon.
10:17:21 If you actually follow the history of the flu pandemic of 1918, it actually wasn't just 1918 it was a three year pandemic. And so when we're looking at the coven 19 pandemic
and thinking about the fact that we're getting into the third year.
10:17:35 That is actually anticipated that is how the flu pandemic went to, and in cities that removed their masking orders too soon. They had significant and devastating waves, so we
don't want to do that, we do, we don't want to be masking forever, but we do
10:17:49 want to wait until it's safe trip up the mess mortar, so that'll be a little later and we're working on defining the metrics for that right now.
10:17:59 Um, all right.
10:18:00 One person asked about the statistics on the total population vaccinated and if that includes small children who are not yet eligible to be vaccinated, and it does.
10:18:10 So when we talk about total population, we mean everybody because kids can spread Cobra too. And so knowing our overall population that's vaccinated matters.
10:18:19 So in Jefferson County 75% of our population, including little kids are fully vaccinated. If we make that just the population five and up who are eligible for vaccination, 78%
of us are fully vaccinated.
10:18:34 Interestingly only 51% of us have received a booster. So we do still have a little ways to go to get the rest of our population boosted, we do really want to encourage folks
to get that booster.
10:18:44 The folks we're missing mostly is our young folks who are not getting boosted, which I understand your probability of getting hospitalized and dying from coven is pretty low.
10:18:52 So you might think why get a booster. And the biggest reason that get a booster is so you don't get covered to somebody else who could get hospitalized so do they'll get that
booster.
10:19:01 It's very safe. I've had mine. Um, it's a really important thing to protect the rest of your community.
10:19:07 All right.
10:19:09 This next one was a little bit of a research project but I think was, was an interesting, Interesting evaluation of the data to do.
10:19:19 So this person asked, could you please contrast Alma cron to the seasonal flu, with respect to likelihood of hospitalization especially for those over 65 and likelihood of death,
especially for those over 65, as well as the length of recuperation, so
10:19:33 we we kind of did a quick intro to this at the beginning of the meeting today but I do think it's important to wade into because it has become a common talking point but that
we shouldn't worry about it because it's basically the flu.
10:19:47 And that's not true. And the mortality numbers really speak for themselves.
10:19:52 Every year about 20 to 50,000 Americans died to this little before the coven 19 pandemic.
10:19:58 In the last year alone, we lost 460,000 Americans to cope with it. So it's just dramatically worse, the mortality.
10:20:08 The case fatality due to influence it is roughly about point one on any given year, varies year to year depending on the severity of the strains, the mortality due to the oma
cranberry in the unvaccinated is 1.2%, which doesn't sound like much, it sounds
10:20:22 like if you roll the dice on that, you know, you'll probably be fine.
10:20:27 But the, the challenges if you do that on a population level, if you just look at 1.2% of Jefferson County. That's a whole lot of people that would die do to cope at 19 if we
let it just run rampant.
10:20:40 So, the mortality rate, due to coven 19 in the unvaccinated, even with Alma Kron is 12 times that of the flu, and that's in the general population in people over 65, it's eight
times that, so if you not covered 19, you're unvaccinated and you're over
10:20:57 65. Your mortality rate is roughly 10%, one in 10 people over 65 who contract cope with 19, if they're not vaccinated will die of it. That's how severe this viruses and so when
you look at the fact that so many of our population in Jefferson County is
10:21:13 over 65, that would be crushing if that happened.
10:21:17 The good news is that if you are vaccinated, your risk of death due to covert 19, not even boosted just regular old vaccinated is one ninth of that. And so if you divide 10%
by nine, you can realize you get really close to around 1%.
10:21:34 So you can get this back towards the risk that you would see with with influence.
10:21:42 We see similar patterns when it comes to hospitalization though the difference is not as star, because we actually have really high in hospital mortality, due to.
10:21:52 And that's something that if you talk to any doctors or nurses who have been working in the hospital is one of the things that is so painful about Kobe 19 in the American hospital
system we are not used to losing our patients.
10:22:04 Generally when they get hospitalized. We can fix them, and they go home. That is not true with coven 19 if you get hospitalized with coven 19 16% of those who get hospitalized
will die.
10:22:17 Um, we, we are not used to losing that percentage of our patients every time they come in.
10:22:23 And that rate is even higher if you're over 65. So long story short, you can think of coven 19, in general, even the oma cranberries, as about 12 times worse than the flu for
general population.
10:22:36 But if you get vaccinated. It's one ninth of that, so it's still worse than the flu, but it's close. And that's the biggest thing that you can do to make coven 19 feel more
and more like the flu, both for yourself and for the community.
10:22:48 If we want to move on and move forward with our lives and not have to worry about it anymore. I certainly do.
10:22:56 The way that we do that is we get vaccinated.
10:23:00 Okay, just a couple more and then I'll pass it to Kate do will events as updates I can attend to my tiny friend.
10:23:08 Regarding booster shots. Will a second booster of either Pfizer Madonna, be advised are available in the future.
10:23:16 I would say at this point, we aren't yet recommending a second booster. The reason for that is the boosters are still holding up incredibly well, a preventive hospitalization
and death, and they're still holding up pretty well at preventing any infection
10:23:29 at all. We also expect our case rates as we've discussed the beginning of this call to drop dramatically in the coming, coming months, coming month. And so it's not clear that
we will need a booster.
10:23:42 Time will tell on whether or not we will need a booster. If we do it will likely be more like a seasonal booster where every fall for example will recommend a booster of the
team that team, kind of like we do with the flow.
10:23:54 But we don't know yet. Many of our vaccines that we use right now are three those vaccines, and then you're done. And you don't need any more, and we don't know which one it'll
be, It could be a 3ds vaccine and then out, or it could be something that
10:24:06 we repeat annually.
10:24:08 The only exception to that is if you are immunosuppressed. So there is a subset of the population about 8600 people on the Olympic Peninsula, who got an early third dose because
they are immunosuppressed folks with transplant patients right immunosuppressive
10:24:23 medications, who have genetic amino deficiencies, those folks do need for doses, and you can imagine why their immune system is not as capable of responding to the vaccine.
10:24:32 So those folks do need a fourth those five months after their last vaccine.
10:24:37 Many of those folks just became eligible to do so, if you're in that that group, go ahead and get your fourth those as soon as you can, you can talk to your provider, but whether
or not you're in that group.
10:24:46 But if you, if you're not immunosuppressed three doses is what we are sticking with right now.
10:24:53 Any other questions from the team before I love.
10:24:58 Thank you guys.
10:25:00 Appreciate your understanding, and I'll see you next week.
10:25:05 Thanks Dr. Barry and tiny friends.
10:25:08 Dr. Barry and tiny friend. Very, very well.
10:25:12 Obama, good, bad,
10:25:17 um, if you don't mind it I will just do a reading from Willie that he prepared for Friday. So, um, he says that
10:25:28 regarding the availability of masks. So they are able to get and distribute masks, have a higher protective quality. They have pushed out about 15,000 already but they're moving
quickly, we will continue to get 5000 a week or so, and have them available
10:25:45 at grocery stores including QFC Port Townsend and headlock, as well as Safeway.
10:25:49 The libraries had like currently has some and we'll get some to PT this week. Public Health at the four food banks and the prep disaster preparedness team is distributing about
5000 which Mr john mentioned this morning and public comment.
10:26:07 And in the next shipment we're going to stock some in the county administrator's office for those coming into the courthouse would like to get one and also staff can get them
for personal use, at the, at our office in the courthouse.
10:26:21 Regarding vaccination and boosters. Emergency Management has two more clinics, on the books and says the 12.
10:26:32 So, guessing that is February. February 12 in Britain and the 19th in Port Townsend at Blue Heron appointments at pharmacies are easier to come by. So these might be the last
clinics that emergency management does the call center remains open for people
10:26:50 to call about booking an appointment at the two clinics mentioned, leave a voicemail and get a call back within 24 hours. I used to know that number by heart but I can't remember
it offhand.
10:27:03 So that's report from really great, thanks Kate. Sure, anything else to add on proven Greg you have something.
10:27:12 I'm, I just want to see we have a lot of staff on today and I just want to, I guess, I talked about co2 monitors, at the last meeting, two weeks ago, and I did get one with
non departmental funds, and it is fascinating to us and gives a lot of data.
10:27:27 And so I just wanted. This is for all the county, this is one, I imagine I hope we'll get more but it.
10:27:35 It's very handy, you know it's like I started today with my door closed in my office and it was at 1300, parts per million co CEO to distill on the safe range, kind of indicates
it's a phrase here.
10:27:46 And by opening my door, I went down to about 1000. And so you can just see really dramatically what the impacts are what the air exchanges in a particular space when we took
it over to the other side that we could find dead zones where Eric kind of was
10:28:01 and where it was working, and it gives you a real good benchmark to say that maybe I should open my door open a window. So, any any departments that have want to kind of place
it around their office for for a couple days and see what they can do to increase
10:28:18 air exchange, just send me a note and I will I will bring it by and I would love to have more objective data on the air exchange throughout the county facilities as a start.
10:28:37 Thank you.
10:28:32 Right.
10:28:35 And let's go plexiglass down.
10:28:37 I said let's take all the plexiglass down I count my little trip this last week I cannot tell you how many times I saw you know three gas station workers unmasked and a little
plexiglass box, ensuring that if any of them were sick they were all exposed.
10:28:53 Yeah.
10:28:55 Great. Anything else Kate or Mark Do you want to add before we have a, we have a hearing notice we have a hearings scheduled for 1030, or it's a brief briefing.
10:29:09 So we don't want to start that until 1030 but we are quickly creeping up to that. So, anything you want to add mark. Before we get going.
10:29:19 No, I have nothing this morning. Thanks.
10:29:24 Okay well Carolyn suggested that we recess until 1030 but it's such like one minute.
10:29:30 Right, yeah we're right there you can start introductions. Yeah, we'll just go ahead and move on into 1030 items.
10:29:36 Okay, so we have an agenda item scheduled for 1030.
10:29:41 Regarding fireworks on sky lanterns and the Jefferson County code.
10:29:46 We need to bring over.
10:29:49 Mr.
10:29:59 Philip Hunsaker James Kennedy if he's on the line, red, black and Sheriff know if he's there as well, they're listed on the agenda but I'm not sure they're all coming.
10:30:04 I'm not seeing the sheriff, or James Kennedy it, man I'm looking.
10:30:17 Well we get started and bring them over when they join us and I'm not sure. James is planning on joining us maybe Philip knows.
10:30:26 I don't think he is. Okay.
10:30:31 So, um, this item on the agenda is a briefing and potential action regarding a hearing notice regarding a draft ordinance, and repealing and replacing order eight dot seven
five fireworks and sky landers of the Jefferson County code.
10:30:50 The hearing is scheduled for Monday February 28 at 11:45am and this is our briefing on it today. So I'll turn it over to you, gentlemen.
10:30:59 Okay, I think.
10:31:03 Mr. Han soccer's the lead on this so Philip floors yours.
10:31:08 Thank you. Hopefully everyone can see my screen.
10:31:11 Yeah, I can, yeah.
10:31:14 And I'm going to I'm going to do this, not in presentation mode for a little while for a reason, which you'll see in a minute, but.
10:31:26 So
10:31:26 a little bit on the background why we're here.
10:31:31 And just, you know, remember last year.
10:31:35 Last year was a really bad year for fire danger. And so I'm going to try to. I'm going to try to play a video for you and if it doesn't work. I'll just fake it.
10:31:49 But.
10:31:49 Can everybody hear this.
10:31:52 Begging people to come up a little bit.
10:32:06 Lay off the fireworks. Okay, I think you have to reshare Philip, and one of the options is to share sound as well you have to like go into the share options. So you probably
have to uncheck them and reshare.
10:32:08 Okay, so I wasn't sure if it was going to work. But anyway, this was a news story from from Channel five about, about a firework season last year. And it had Hillary France
on it talking about how bad it is, and the burn ban had been issued by that time
10:32:29 this was in July.
10:32:31 But if you may, you might remember that it was pretty bad before that, and there was concern leading up to the Fourth of July that, you know, fireworks could cause some serious
problems.
10:32:44 So it caused the board to look into the current code.
10:32:51 And now go to presentation mode maybe it'll be a little easier to see this. And so the current code has the definition of extreme fire danger means the period of hot dry weather
accompanied by low fuel moisture so it is during this period that wildland
10:33:08 fires can be expected and fire growth will be accelerated.
10:33:14 So, then you have to go to our fireworks code which which is chapter, 8.75 of our of the Jackson County code.
10:33:25 And this is the key language, we required a declaration by an authorized state official or the county fire code official that conditions had reached an extreme fire danger.
10:33:44 Before the before the county commission could buy resolution.
10:33:48 Find a state of extreme fire danger.
10:33:51 And so
10:33:54 the next part of the chapter which is 8.7 5.040 talks about the resolution and it ties back to the extreme fire danger.
10:34:08 So, who is the authorized state official by that's none other than Hillary France, the Commissioner of Public Lands and.
10:34:20 So,
10:34:24 what we what we were looking into is what could we do our own band.
10:34:33 Before the Fourth of July last week, and we ran into this provision in the state fireworks law the one year limit imposed by RCW seven 0.7 7.2504.
10:34:48 And it's blown up there and then read any ordinance adopted by a county or city that are more restrictive than state law shall have an effective date of no sooner than one year
after their adoption.
10:35:01 So this is, I, I believe this is probably a fireworks industry insertion, because that's when the concern gets hot, I right before the Fourth of July as we experienced, last
year and I think in some other previous years as well.
10:35:19 So we couldn't do much.
10:35:22 Last year because because of this prohibition.
10:35:27 But a good thing about this prohibition is it makes clear that you do have the authority to is to do a firework your own fireworks law that's more restricted.
10:35:36 It just has can't go into effect for a year. So,
10:35:40 what we, what we have started on is a cooperative development of a new fireworks ordinance. And this started. In the summer of, 2017 when this board asked county staff to work
with local fire chiefs, to develop a new ordinance.
10:35:58 There was a focus of the board on a more flexibility on burn bands down to the district level and that's what we're presenting today.
10:36:10 So this slide shows the, how we all work together to get what we have.
10:36:16 We have the fire chiefs, working with the county and principally.
10:36:23 That was Mark and then a little bit me. And, and sort of the lead for the fire chiefs was chief black who's here today, and to support what we're doing.
10:36:37 And also we got a lot of help from Assistant Chief Brian tracer from East Jefferson.
10:36:43 Fire Department, Mark and I worked on the ordinance.
10:36:48 And, and then we well I guess I should say I coordinated with the sheriff, and the prosecuting attorney who had some concerns about the draft ordinance and we can talk a little
bit about what those were but they principle he had to do with making sure
10:37:04 that they had the right level of enforcement discretion in the ordinance questions so far.
10:37:14 Okay, this is the easy part. Now comes the hard part.
10:37:18 The revised ordinance.
10:37:21 I'm going to try to take you through the key provisions of it.
10:37:26 And, you know, this is for the public's benefit as well so they understand what we're what we're proposing.
10:37:33 Can I ask you I, I had a forming question.
10:37:37 So based on that overview you just said of the timing I remember when we initiated this work together. Last summer, we were still within the one year so this will not be effective
until 2023 for for for Fourth of July, 2023, is that correct, am I.
10:38:11 Yes. Okay. That is correct and it would have been true, last year as well. Okay. When we.
10:38:08 So this is to beat that that that that date. Right. I see Kate has her hand up. Yeah, yeah, I'm, I'm curious. There's a bill moving.
10:38:16 Well through the legislature right now which will give counties, more authority to limit the use of fireworks and shorten that window from year to 90 days.
10:38:30 Were you was this written to get of potentially incorporate some of that change to statute or would we need to go ahead and do that after.
10:38:40 That bill passes which is likely.
10:38:43 I don't think it's going to change your authority to do this. And since we've done the work up. You know, you might as well do it, whether it's a year or 90 days, you know,
by the time we get this done, we're going to be pushing up on 90 days of the fourth
10:38:57 of July.
10:38:59 So, this makes sense to keep moving with this and try to get it done.
10:39:04 Okay, that makes sense.
10:39:05 Yeah, yep and, and we should maybe stay in touch on that on that bill and you know just see along the way, if there's an opportunity to incorporate any language that we anticipate
coming down the pipe from the state.
10:39:19 Kate you know when that when that's expected i'm not i'm not keeping up on when the legislature's in and out and all the bills, but yeah short session so we would we will probably
know and three or four weeks, whether that's bill passed both the Senate.
10:39:39 This both sides legislature. Okay.
10:39:43 Well, I'm, I'm knocking on wood, you probably can't hear it. But, but, but I'm I am that will be done before that.
10:39:51 Okay.
10:39:53 Yeah, public hearing is scheduled for the 28th
10:39:59 third one, yeah that's assuming you know you're okay with what we're doing. And even if you're not we can probably make some tweaks to still make make that timeframe I think
so, but I'm hoping will be that that you know that schedule.
10:40:16 Okay.
10:40:18 Now the hard part.
10:40:20 I did go back and look at this carefully over the weekend and caught a couple of minor flaws.
10:40:28 So if you see red lining in my, in the slideshow.
10:40:32 That's because I caught the flaws.
10:40:35 I think I don't live there are only two or three small flaws.
10:40:39 But if you look at the adopting ordinance section, what should be section five is the effective date and that just reflects the one the current one year requirement.
10:40:52 It's not going to be effective until one year after adoption that's the requirement in the state fireworks law.
10:41:02 And based on on this legislation that's going through. Should we make it more a point of reference rather than a one year.
10:41:11 Number one, if it's, you know, by the time this is done, that one year number isn't in our CW but it's 90 days.
10:41:18 Well, we could do that. Sure we could make it, you know, as, as, require as you know the lowest limit required by state law or something like that. Sure.
10:41:30 That wouldn't be a difficult change, we could get that done today probably as early as do it as early as state law allows her. Yeah, what the language would be but,
10:41:45 um, and the, the other change called out in hospital 1638 is that a county, city or county. May, after consultation with a local fire marshal or other fire official immediately
prohibit the use of summer all consumer fireworks.
10:42:02 When the environmental conditions make, you know, that precedes the same language.
10:42:07 Yeah, and I'm not sure we need to put that language in the, in our ordinance I think that just gives you the authority doesn't require your own ordinance for that.
10:42:18 So, okay, so make that change.
10:42:25 Okay.
10:42:29 So this is really the key provision in the ordinance 8.75040 prohibited acts and.
10:42:40 And I've highlighted some things, those are defined terms all those things that I've highlighted.
10:42:48 And once there's a declaration of high fire hazard declared in a region of responsibility, which you'll see in a minute, is, is for local fire officials it's their district.
10:43:05 And for the county the county fire marshal, which we don't have one. Currently, I don't believe.
10:43:14 And if there's a declaration of higher high fire hazard ban.
10:43:20 The man, the manufacturers sale transportation discharge storage or use of fireworks is prohibited. During that declaration.
10:43:28 So that's the key provision.
10:43:32 Sure.
10:43:34 I'm curious to know, I guess I, I thought that we did have a fire marshal I was just going through this and researching learning that we actually designate the fire marshal
I would like to get into that when we're done with this conversation and I see
10:43:46 Brad has some information about that, my specific question here though is. I mean we're trying to make this more scalable, you know, I think we heard in our conversations last
year that, you know, maybe one fire chief thanks to the, the conditions are,
10:44:00 there's a high risk of fire. And, you know, say discovery Bay but not one in Britain.
10:44:08 And I'm curious. So with the fire marshal if they triggered it's a high fire hazard they could.
10:44:15 I guess prescriptive Lee banned fireworks throughout the county is my understanding, and this also gives a caveat to local fire choose to restrict fireworks but what if there's
a disagreement between the fire marshal and a local fire district, about,
10:44:31 you know, the fire marshal says there's high, high risk, high has high fire hazard throughout the county. And you know, I don't know, say on the west end, you know, Dan and
Amanda Park, they're like, Nope, it's not a high fire risk here.
10:44:44 We don't want that fireworks fan, how do you reconcile that disagreement.
10:44:48 Well, when we look at region of responsibility I think that answer. The definition of regional responsibility might, might give you the answer but I believe the answer will
be the local, local fire official can has the authority to issue a declaration
10:45:06 of fire hazard within their jurisdiction.
10:45:10 And, and, and, and the county fire marshal has the, the, the, the ability to do that on a county wide basis, so there's not going to be a conflict, if a local fire official
wants to issue a declaration of pie fire hazard that will control.
10:45:30 It could arrive on the other way if the fire marshal says the whole county has had a high fire risk. And we've created. Oh, sorry, go ahead Brent might be able to get to the
yeah I'll just get to the punch line, sorry Commissioner, so that that second
10:45:45 either or decision tree exists today. That's the part we're not modifying where the collective Fire Chiefs get together with the designated fire code official, which is a whole
can of worms, but we'll talk about that, Mr Hunsaker kind of alluded to, later,
10:46:02 and make a recommendation to adopt this ban countywide that process exists today and that's the process we use every fire season.
10:46:11 So, up till now, so that just for the nuance there, we're adding another capability for a local district, you know, for example if East Jefferson decided, we had a higher threat
than Britain, which is pretty much the pattern for a longer period of time,
10:46:29 we could be more, You know, explicit and restrictive than written by by choice and then later on we could still do the county wide band as well.
10:46:40 Does that make sense that makes great sense thanks for that explanation. Yep. Sorry Mr Hunsaker to jump on it. No, no, no, I appreciate it I would have given the same answer.
10:46:49 So, and better to have more than one talking head for sure.
10:46:53 Can I Can I ask a follow up to that specific, the new legislation, simply says a county may with consultation of a fire marshal or don't have it open right now.
10:47:07 So, does that kind of broad authority, we are able to limit that further and our own ordinance to specify that exact process, even if the statute calls for what I'm guessing
is executive or legislative action to do that ban.
10:47:25 So what you'd be doing by this ordinance is delegating that authority to the fire marshals for the local fire officials, or the fire marshal, so I think it would be
10:47:37 a, a legal delegation of authority by the county to to those officials.
10:47:46 Thank you. that make sense.
10:47:48 Okay.
10:47:50 Okay. Um, so there are some exceptions and I don't want to spend a lot of time on this but to the, to the band and or to the, you know, to this to this band that's all in sections.
10:48:08 875 040.
10:48:16 And
10:48:16 essentially what these are things we have no control over it somebody else is responsible for for these things for regulating these things.
10:48:28 And so that's why they're there.
10:48:30 So we're not running against up against preemption issues, right, we're some other law controls the state law or federal law controls this.
10:48:40 That make sense.
10:48:42 Yeah, that's the primary reason for the exemptions.
10:48:48 Okay. So, these are the definitions and
10:48:55 primarily what we went with was something that fire officials are used to the national fire danger rating system.
10:49:04 So this definition of higher fire high fire danger, really comes from that there's also a definition of extreme fire danger we'll look at what you know what that means that
a minute.
10:49:16 But the key thing is we've already really talked about is it adds that capability to the local, local fire official to declare a band.
10:49:28 That makes sense.
10:49:30 Okay.
10:49:32 Ah, so here are the definitions local fire official and region of responsibility. That is one of the things that definition where I noticed needed some cleaning up.
10:49:45 So, this is the other proposed change, and we hadn't looked at this in a while. This definition so that's, that's why we were really we found it this weekend, just gone back
through it.
10:49:59 So, we probably need to make that change to
10:50:04 to 8.75020 10
10:50:11 and fill you would not include the county fire marshal in the local fire official.
10:50:19 So, so for the local fire it's, it has two parts.
10:50:26 It's the whole county for the, for the county fire marshal but it's, but it's the, the district within Jefferson County for the local fire official so it may be the red lining
is making it a little bit hard to read that.
10:50:43 But it's, but that's what it does.
10:50:48 And just to to add on to Mr. Han suckers comment there. The term fire marshal is actually glaringly absent from the LA.
10:51:05 We only talked about it in the recitals in that, I think one of the bits of homework that we've identified and this collaboration collaboration with Mr Hunsaker Mr McCauley
is the need to probably update the I LA to be more definitive and it in first.
10:51:17 The fire marshal title and job duties, but it doesn't actually use that word, which is interesting because it doesn't you know it's a little, it's a it's a subtle but important
nuance, they refer to the designated fire code official, but not all of those
10:51:32 duties are delegated from the county to our designated fire code code official here at East Jefferson so there's still some things that county retains that are fire marshal
type duties, but some of them go down line to us as well.
10:51:46 So, and maybe that's the way it was engineered this is I think a 10 year old document but I think there's some more clarity. That doesn't need to be a part of this discussion
I just want to kind of call that out for a future project, but I think this
10:51:57 issue also came up recently to some extent with the fire at the mill right cheap. Yes, sir.
10:52:05 So yeah, we probably need to do something about that as well.
10:52:10 Okay, so here's the new definition of County Fire Marshal.
10:52:15 And it just requires a designation by the Board of County Commissioners. And that's the RCW that allows the designation. And that's pretty much a
10:52:28 language they're pretty much comes from the RTW.
10:52:32 So you're just delegating some of your police power to a county fire marshal and police power in this context is not mean law enforcement authority, it's the broader peaceful
police Power Authority that you have over, lots of things, but health and safety
10:52:51 basically. That makes sense. Yeah.
10:52:53 Okay. and we already talked about the footnote.
10:52:56 That's on here.
10:52:58 Okay, so, mentioned the national fire danger rating system.
10:53:04 And I have it up there, you can't see all of it, because of the limitations of the, of the medium and namely PowerPoint.
10:53:13 But I did blow up the high and the extreme definitions and what we've tried to go with is more of the on the high level, rather than extremes and.
10:53:28 And that's because the Chiefs wanted more flexibility.
10:53:32 And so, so that makes sense to kind of do it that way.
10:53:37 Good I add a comment to that and astronomy. Absolutely. Yeah. And one of the reasons for that. For the commissioners awareness is the National Fire rating system is geography
base so there's a layer that goes over our region.
10:53:50 But it as you zoom in, it doesn't get more definitive it is kind of a blanket over a whole region so some parts of Jefferson County in the region may never, ever get to extreme
but are rarely get too extreme, but certainly could get too high on this National
10:54:07 system, but when we zoom in, you know, ourselves to the local conditions, you know say here in, you know, Port padlock or, you know, by the airport, they would maybe escalate
to the extreme definition they're just not declared on the national federated
10:54:23 rating system because it doesn't have that finite of a, of you. So we wanted to, you know, flexibility by calling up the high criteria to allow us to, you know, take a look
around and see what's happening here once we hit that high benchmark, he's black.
10:54:40 Yes. How big is the region.
10:54:44 Geography geographically, I'm not that fluent on the National Fire rating system here in Washington yet I apologize but I believe it's County, why county level or at least maybe
a couple of counties.
10:54:55 Okay, so I could get back to you on that. If you have be great. I'm just curious.
10:55:01 Oh, put that down for homework.
10:55:06 Okay.
10:55:10 At the end of our packet we had this national fire danger rating system with, you know, the no don't show to the commissioners but I really, I really appreciate it, seeing what
the context is very helpful for me and I'm just wondering, is there a reason
10:55:23 that this is a reference was not included in the coordinates.
10:55:27 Well, yes because there's a definition.
10:55:35 In the ordinance and you don't want to confuse people this isn't you know precisely the same as the definition. It just means. So that's why wouldn't be included, and we and
we looked at that we did some drafting trying to, you know, drafted into the
10:55:47 system. And it was very difficult and so we we just decided it, it would be to make it to come, complicated and unhelpful and the actual legislation.
10:55:57 Okay, I guess, I, I think the context is helpful for me reading through it so I wonder if we might want to consider adding a few more definitions with some of the other danger
ratings, but I'm not Adam and drill.
10:56:16 So there are some other definitions that we're that we didn't highlight, if you read the whole thing.
10:56:21 And so we could definitely talk about what other possible definitions you want in this happy to do that I mean we'll have time to do that, between now and then pay the hearing
and we can talk about it at the at the hearing, or if you want to have another
10:56:37 session on this in between now the data hearing happy to do that too.
10:56:47 Or, if any, if any of the commissioners want to reach out to me as well with your ideas, that'd be great but just for your awareness. I think Mr Hunsaker was being very kind,
when he said we had a little discussion on this.
10:56:54 This is one of the main sticking boys you'll never get five Fire Chiefs to agree on anything. So, adopting the National Fire rating danger rating system as kind of a framework
was really the the unified direction, and gave all of us that discretion we
10:57:09 wanted to, you know, frankly, address the local risk.
10:57:14 I know messaging wise community that that is important, but that effort is is different than when we're doing code, design, or we're doing, you know, an ordinance or the code
sometime you know sometimes we have just point in reference to where we're getting
10:57:31 our, you know, criteria and then later on when it actually gets adopted is when we do the marketing for you know how this is applied in the community, so that that effort is
definitely something we already do on a regular basis but will refine it more
10:57:45 as this gets applied.
10:57:48 I think your point Brad I guess I also think about you know the state fireworks law which we reference you know but we look at our cw 7070 7777 77 dot 395, it talks about the
few days a year.
10:58:03 That is actually legal to use consumer fireworks anywhere. Right, it's never an explicit reference to that so if you look at our code, you would not come away knowing.
10:58:11 Oh, it's March 21, I can't shoot a firework off as far as our code indicates on a cursory reading, you can, so I just sometimes making code readable for the, for the, for the
residents, is something I think we give short shrift to as we make it functional.
10:58:29 Certainly.
10:58:34 Yeah, is that the focus of the definition question that you are issue you were raising earlier commissioners try to make it clear what state law says on that we could, we could
definitely put something in there to address that.
10:58:48 Yeah, I think we actually do talk a little bit about the consumer fireworks definition or statutes, on page for Mr Hunsaker, but maybe we could add that in maybe a couple other
explicit elements just, I think, I think that Mr brotherhood commission restaurants
10:59:05 right we could, we could have some subtle highlights that the community, makes them more aware of what the lane lines are without impacting the, the desires of various parties,
I agree.
10:59:21 I think we could definitely do that. So, if you want us to do that happy to take a shot at it. I don't think it would be that difficult, actually.
10:59:36 Okay, so this.
10:59:35 Here's. Here is the main issue of controversy, perhaps, or solvable in the future, I think is probably the way to do it is that is.
10:59:50 Who's going to do what and what is the funding for this for permits, okay, for display fireworks, so you can have a local permit for public display fireworks that's not talking
about the consumer stuff that's talking about somebody comes in and puts on
11:00:08 a show.
11:00:10 And there's a state. Bit of a state infrastructure for that. In terms of requiring a licensed, or a pyrotechnic operator, to be able to do a public display show.
11:00:24 But we, we don't really have a permit requirement in our county for that, and I'll show you in a minute. what we do have.
11:00:37 And, And it's.
11:00:39 We did a lot of drafting on this provision actually.
11:00:44 And you'll notice it starts with after obtaining any other permit required under Chapter 8.20 jc JC see 8.2 0.380 or JTC eight point 18 point 20.3 90.
11:01:00 Okay.
11:01:02 We do have permits for those things I'll show you in a minute what they what they are.
11:01:07 But they're not really directed at fireworks, specifically.
11:01:15 And so there has to be some relationship of this permit for display fireworks to those other provisions and code. And I realize I'm talking cryptically but it'll, it'll come
clear when I pop up what those are.
11:01:35 Okay.
11:01:34 So, it's a resource issue for the, for the fire department spreadsheet.
11:01:45 Yeah, just to highlight the acute issue again I'm going to refer to the delay in Section B, the Department of Community Development shall issue applicable permits quote required
under the IOC and adopted fire codes.
11:01:53 That's the way that we have in place today, the district's, we provide review and inspections only we don't have any permitting process that exists today in the entire county
we routinely review permits and sign off on them, as, as requested.
11:02:12 So, creating a process where the district or the, you know, the fire marshal or designated you know whatever we're calling have to create something like a fireworks permit for
us it would be a big burden and not burden, as if we don't want it but we don't
11:02:29 have that now.
11:02:31 So that would need to be, you know, to Mr. Han suckers point, you know, determined decided and probably negotiated at some level in Iowa because it's not in there now.
11:02:43 In our, our east Jefferson district one board is going to want to you know be a part of that discussion as well.
11:02:51 And the training, obviously, the training for fireworks inspections is different from some of the other things we do are fireworks permitting
11:03:02 public fireworks displays now.
11:03:05 We reviewed the permit application, whether it's a city or a county one after it is, you know, passed to us.
11:03:15 So, the things that we're looking for. Are you know exiting fire extinguishers you know adjacent ignitable services, that kind of stuff but as far as the state requirements
for inspecting the you know the ordinances themselves you know some of that is
11:03:32 very
11:03:35 high level of knowledge for how we are aware of what type of devices are being, you know, displayed and safety precautions and all that kind of stuff needs has a special lane,
that we're not prepared yet to go into.
11:03:56 So to two ways to do this, we don't have a recurrent requirement in the code for for display permits are sort of relying on the, on the fire level on someone having the right
license for display permits.
11:04:15 And there's some other we'll talk about what they are in a minute but some other permits that you might have to get for the kind of event. That would include a firework show,
but they're not specific to fireworks as I said a minute ago so the question
11:04:30 is you know you can.
11:04:32 you could pass this as it is, and.
11:04:36 And then we work toward creating the infrastructure to have this as we go forward or you can just not pass a permit requirement for public display fireworks permits and a county,
those are those are at least two of the options.
11:04:58 Talking about, you know, there's one down and we'll see where we're talking about three events a year or something like that.
11:05:03 It's not a lot I don't believe cheap, you know, I don't, I think I'd be countywide I would say, fair to estimate under six a year county wide, but it does produce a little bit
of a conundrum for the closing issue, because we don't talk about you know
11:05:21 we allude to the local fire district authority but we also talked about the fire marshal functions. So who would be that the local fire authority to actually do the physical
inspection, you know, and who would have that expertise is again one of the other
11:05:36 nuances, we need to clarify.
11:05:40 Right. And so, I guess that's a third option is you could you could change this to say from the county fire marshal as opposed to the local fire marshal.
11:05:50 And we might anticipate an increase in organized shows, if the likelihood of a firework ban is in place.
11:06:03 Yes, well,
11:06:08 that's possible. I would just say this only because I used to represent a fireworks display company for about, I don't know 12 years so I know more about this than I really
probably should.
11:06:22 But the planning that's required for that is probably as is a longer period than you're thinking.
11:06:30 It's probably months to get that squared away. And that's that includes letting the contracts getting the insurance unnecessary insurance for that all that stuff.
11:06:40 So, it might make sense to do something about it but it's probably not likely to happen you know where you're going to get somebody to do a display show within days.
11:06:52 It's more complicated than that and there's competition for those shows right there's a limited number of people who have a license in the state to do those shows and they're
going to be doing bigger shows if at all possible and our shows are going to
11:07:05 be, you know, tiny compared to the shows that they'd be doing with this caveat be required to be a year down the line as well as the legislature change it.
11:07:21 So, so what the what the fireworks law says if it's more restrictive Penn State law, and I you know I think that's.
11:07:31 I'm not sure what the answer to that is, but I would say you should assume that it is that the one year requirement is here, you don't want somebody challenging it on the basis
that it wasn't past timely.
11:07:44 So just take take the issue way by.
11:07:47 And what's the threshold for making a public public display their kind of explicitly public you know if you got people around the lake should not fire with it, it's usually
the size of the ordinance Commissioner, there's a specific definition.
11:08:05 In the one of the sub notes there I think it's on page five defines it it's it wouldn't be something that the public would understand necessarily it just talks about the grains
of how expensive.
11:08:20 77 160 So, thank you. Yes, sir.
11:08:25 Okay, more discussion on this issue.
11:08:31 You guys, the, the board have a sense of how they want to go with this change it to say County Fire Marshal from local fire official I think that would make the Chiefs happier.
11:08:43 My right chief black.
11:08:46 Yes and no. happier is subjective.
11:08:52 I think that fire marshal word or phrase is unclear. The fire marshal is nebulous it is a little ethereal because we don't have a designated fire marshal a designated fire code
official in the county maintain some of the fire marshal functions and, including
11:09:10 permitting.
11:09:12 We do not have that ability or authority. According to LA so I would say, if you want to, if there's a way we could, you know phrase, where the flow path or permit happens without
a title that might be better.
11:09:30 Yeah, I think it has to come from somebody for the code to work, it could be, it could be, or it could be, you know, could be local fire official or the county fire marshal
we're going to have to do something about the County Fire Marshal.
11:09:57 And, anyway. Yep. But if you're doesn't, I'm just gonna name names if you're if you're hoping it's going to be East Jefferson, you know, because we are the designated fire,
we have the designated fire code official that we need to be approved by my board
11:10:00 as well, because that's not within his current job description. Yeah. Hey, Philip, I reached out to Brent Butler and he talked to Barbara, Eric men and she suggested that the
DCD director be appointed by the board is the fire marshal.
11:10:17 Well that's a discussion we can continue after today's briefing.
11:10:23 Yeah, and we could. Well, I mean, that doesn't have, we have to wait for this that for that to happen. Do I just want there to be clarity from everyone's perspective of the,
I mean, the unique paradigm that matter of fact that could be done today.
11:10:38 If you, if you're determined to do something quickly you could do that separately. Today, well they could make a motion and pass it, and that we can follow up with a formal
agenda item on the 14th.
11:10:50 Yep, that's what I was thinking, well, so in the context of the language in this oh five oh section, then that would change it to shall be obtained from the fire marshal with
consultation with the local fire official which we defined clearly to be the
11:11:07 local fire chief write a short sure that could, you could you could have that language. Yeah.
11:11:15 But what do you think cheap.
11:11:18 I think that could work.
11:11:21 I think just speaking for each Jeff important although.
11:11:25 What we're trying to avoid is be to be the exclusive.
11:11:29 You know, determine have permits because we don't have the expertise sort of the workflow.
11:11:33 So I think in console with the local fire authority works universally throughout the county throughout all five districts.
11:11:42 I think that makes a lot of sense. And I think also switch there's an another benefit of switching it to the county fire marshal namely, it'll be easier to get a permit fee
structure, we did that.
11:11:58 So
11:12:01 that makes a lot of sense.
11:12:05 So commissioners that did you want to entertain or make a motion and consider it to the DCD director as the fire marshal
11:12:19 is already in some code or statute isn't it.
11:12:30 What who the fire marshal ought to be.
11:12:34 Yeah.
11:12:37 Brand Butler and I've been discussing this for some time he was under the impression that he held that that position, based on some code or statutes.
11:12:50 And in a conversation was trying to clarify that. So I think that that does exist somewhere I'm just want to be clear that we're aware of where that might already exist and
not be violating anything or duplicating, it need to be clean, we can just address
11:13:07 the fire marshal issue. Next week or on the 21st or something, we still have ample time before this hearing to reconcile that and if we need to make modifications to this copy
here we can.
11:13:19 Okay.
11:13:20 And it seems like is there a capacity concern. I mean I'm hearing a, you know, the questions coming from the, from East Jefferson I mean, have we done an assessment of how much
this adds to the DCD directors play.
11:13:36 I.
11:13:38 That's just a question I have, yeah, my understanding and I may not have all my facts straight, but there is a permit process that goes through DCD for public display, as, as
of today.
11:13:52 Okay. Is that correct mark.
11:13:55 I'm not aware of that know there was some sort of conditional use permit or special about permit.
11:14:01 So we can talk about that and we're going to get to that, once you get past this issue but. All right. There are some, there are some possible permits that would apply that's
what this, the lead into this section is referring to.
11:14:15 And, Okay. And I added them at the end.
11:14:18 Just because that made it made the most sense in terms of drafting, but my suggestion would be that we have a discussion, next week with Brett with, you know, help figure this
out.
11:14:33 Yeah.
11:14:47 He made on the fire marshal designation. Correct. Right, well we can do the research and if if they're in fact is has been no formal designation by the board or there's not
an RCW that specifies the DCD director is the fire marshal then we can bring connection
11:15:00 That sounds.
11:15:01 That sounds like the right pathway to me.
11:15:03 And I think regardless just for clarity we ought to let people know where we are, we're, you know, has there been a designation what is the local. What does the GCC say on that
and get it clear.
11:15:18 Okay, so I'm.
11:15:26 So these are these are what the permits would would include and.
11:15:34 And then if you look at, Gee, that's really a matter of federal law.
11:15:41 So, so we're not going to the exception there that we're not going to be issuing permits, or someone that's required to transport, on, on a public carrier on interstate or State
Road routes, we just don't have the authority to do that.
11:16:00 That's know, are these, you have a title key provisions not exceptions.
11:16:07 So these are the these are not exceptions if I said exceptions I know I guess I was alluding to that when you mentioned the deity requirements.
11:16:16 Sorry.
11:16:19 So, shall be obtained from the what is what is shall be obtained, I get it was that just carrying over from the other language, where it says shall be a pain.
11:16:29 I just you. Sorry.
11:16:34 Yeah, we've already. We've already talked about that it's just carried over here so you could go you'd have context. Thank you.
11:16:41 No worries.
11:16:42 Okay, this applies to any size, any quantity of fireworks display. This is all regarding this public displays only. Okay, okay. Yeah.
11:17:07 Yes, it doesn't apply a consumer, this provision doesn't apply to consumer fireworks. God thinks, you know, I think, I think we can talk offline Mr. Han on soccer, but I think
we did talk about changing that shell to May.
11:17:13 For smaller jurisdictions that don't have the expertise.
11:17:20 That was one of the concerns that the county chiefs has the very or we could change it to, you know, fire marshal altogether.
11:17:29 Yeah, I think we were talking about changing that language to County Fire Marshal and consultation with the local fire official. Okay, thank you.
11:17:38 No worries.
11:17:41 Okay.
11:17:46 So these are the, these are the other permits that I've that this is what it's referring to in that, in that language. After obtaining so that's just to carry over the language
so you would understand the context.
11:18:01 And it's four or five and six.
11:18:07 one is an assemblies permit.
11:18:11 And, and the other is a temporary out door use permit.
11:18:18 And the third is a festival conditional use permit the last two are DCD permits. The first one is Board of County Commissioners.
11:18:32 And if you were to look at our code on assemblies, it requires a pretty huge number. Before you get a permit or certain repetitive events is my recollection and I didn't look
at it for this but I've looked at it you know a few times in the past.
11:18:48 So they, they don't happen very often, they happen very rarely and Matter of fact, I think all of these happen very rarely in general.
11:18:58 So you'd be talking about a pretty rare occurrence, or just a fireworks display show, but I think it makes sense as the chief suggested that we account for all of this in this
in this ordinance, so that we're not missing something right if it also requires
11:19:17 one of these other permits, we should make sure that's happening.
11:19:23 So that was the thinking behind this. Okay.
11:19:28 Questions about this part.
11:19:32 Okay.
11:19:35 So, so this is the permit fee and rules and regulations section.
11:19:47 And, you know, you may want to tweak might have our other discussion may want to tweak this as well,
11:19:59 to say, you know, to change it from local fire officials, or, you know, I don't know I guess you need both of them if.
11:20:08 Well, I think you ought to invite of our discussion I think one ought to be changed to the county fire marshal, actually.
11:20:18 Who's issuing the CD. Yeah. Yeah.
11:20:20 But, but this is, this is the you're delegating the authority to adopt rules for how to do this. That's what this really is about and what to charge for it, and state law limits
limits what can be charged for display permit I think $200 that's why there's
11:20:39 $100 in there.
11:20:43 But, but that's what this section is doing and it, and it.
11:20:47 And it requires insurance. Right, as well.
11:20:52 And that's consistent with state law on doing displays.
11:20:56 So, I just heard you suggest maybe taking the first four words out of item one, and just making the fire marshal. Yes, yes. Okay.
11:21:17 Questions about that.
11:21:20 Okay.
11:21:21 Those insurance limit seemed seems low, is that out of statute.
11:21:29 You could require more if you, I believe you could require more but I'd have to check state law that, well, I think it could require more to sell at a farmers market you have
to have a million dollar policy.
11:21:43 Well, let's say for them.
11:21:47 You know, I honestly I, I, Well, I'll tell you this.
11:21:52 There's. There are companies that issue policies for this specific way.
11:21:59 And so my guest is, this is one of the choices like the lowest choice you can get by the insurance industry that that Taylor, Taylor policies to the fireworks industry.
11:22:15 But I don't know for sure that's a guest, just having some experience with what a display fireworks company has the one I represented was.
11:22:26 Well, it was a big fireworks display company.
11:22:29 That said, there's no really big fireworks display companies are all, you know, usually it's family owned businesses they just have a, you know, they have a bigger focus.
11:22:39 So, and I know they had more robust insurance than this. So you could require more.
11:22:48 And I think you're right Kate, I think, you know, most, you know, it's going to be pretty hard to get a policy.
11:23:06 But ridiculous than a million dollars is required to sell produce and a farmers market and this is the amounts for fireworks I mean, and I'm sure there's other disparities.
11:23:17 So I think our event, or events require a million dollar writer, so I mean I think that even our own internal policies that are going to have to go through our more restrictive
than this.
11:23:28 Okay. This could this be data language also from, you know, 20 years ago that's just carried forward and can be like an increasing these.
11:23:40 It could be dated language, um, I believe it comes from, from the fireworks lot somewhere in the fireworks law.
11:23:50 And so it could be dated language just hasn't been updated. But I think you can require more so if you want to say,
11:24:00 you know, a million.
11:24:04 Let's see.
11:24:06 A million a million.
11:24:09 I don't know a million, whatever you wanted to put in there you could million a million a million you could do that.
11:24:17 But, you know, you might be pricing people out of the market.
11:24:22 If you do that,
11:24:27 but I agree the risk is much greater than a farmers market. There's no doubt about that.
11:24:34 Many times greater.
11:24:39 I'm seeing people raise their hands, we're not taking public comment at this time.
11:24:46 So can we look at that those amounts.
11:24:50 Before the before the hearing, or increase those I mean, if there's some construction point in terms of the amount so we can write a one. One thing you could do is increase
that and have people comment on it said should be lower.
11:25:05 That's another way of doing it, you know, when we set out the notice, or when we put it up on our website. So, just, you know, your choice how you want to do it seems like it
should be at least as much as our event language, whatever we have in our event
11:25:18 contracts, at least.
11:25:24 Okay, so we can make that change for sure that that the sense of the board way to propose it.
11:25:32 Okay, very good.
11:25:37 Okay, violations and penalties.
11:25:42 It authorizes both misdemeanors and civil infractions, the current ordinance.
11:25:48 We added a civil infraction provision in there at the, at the request of the prosecuting attorney, the prosecuting attorney.
11:25:57 James Kennedy and that's just to have a lesser way to do it. We probably it's be pretty unlikely to prosecute any of these as as criminal misdemeanors.
11:26:11 But it's important as we have in our, for example, in our title 19 code you want to have that provision in there because it allows you to get a warrant.
11:26:17 If you need one.
11:26:18 There's no other way to get a warrant, there's no such thing as an administrative warrant so you get it under the authority of the coordinates, allows for prosecution of a misdemeanor,
and you go to court and you get it that way and then you could use
11:26:35 the information developed to do a civil infraction or, as we have proposed code enforcement as well so that's really important that it be in there for that reason, in case we
need to to work for some reason.
11:26:50 And this is still only applying to public displays correct. No, this, this applies to everything. Okay, not just public, it applies to violations of the organs.
11:27:01 Okay. So theoretically, someone was shooting. It was a burn ban and someone was shooting off fireworks during the burn ban, then this would apply to that as well.
11:27:10 Okay.
11:27:13 Great.
11:27:13 Okay.
11:27:15 And then enforcement there's a provision on enforcement. This is the provision I alluded to at the outset, about, about which the sheriff primarily but also the prosecuting
attorney had concerns, and they want to make it clear that we're just not going
11:27:32 to go out and prosecute everybody who has a violation of consumer fireworks violation during the burn ban.
11:27:41 Share points out that you know most of the time when the when the sheriff roll up on somebody you know who's doing this illegally there, they're gone.
11:27:49 By that time anyway what you want. And so, they just want to make sure that it's clear to everyone the public included, that you know, or for the penalties included, it's going
to be something serious.
11:28:04 Probably and they're not going to go after every person. This is going to be a concern without this language I think that a lot of people that shoot off consumer fireworks have
as well.
11:28:14 So I think it's wise to have this have this language in there and wanting to have 8.70090, is to set expectations.
11:28:29 So, There are places in the county where fireworks are lead off for multiple hours 12 hours on the Fourth of July, where the people are not gone.
11:28:46 I know the phone calls are made before the people are gone, I don't I just don't know how we, the comments we get from our constituents are that they called, you know, so I
don't how do we how do we close the the the sieve.
11:29:06 So, um, so I'll just say this.
11:29:09 The sheriff in the prosecuting attorney story, or the attorney themselves are elected officials and they have prosecutorial discretion already.
11:29:18 So even if you didn't have this language in here, they would already have it.
11:29:24 It's just letting people know what what they have and this is a concern they have is that you know people call up complaining and there's not much they can do about it or, or
a situation you probably what they'll do is they'll roll up and tell people
11:29:38 to knock it off, that you know, and this. This language is a preference for voluntary compliance versus, you know, actual enforcement.
11:29:49 So, that's it that's what that's kind of what one is for is just, you know, hey, we're going to try to educate people. And we'll try to get them to comply and will prosecute
or bring in, you know, infractions or code enforcement as a last resort.
11:30:11 And I think as a practical matter, what this means, as most of the time if they're called and they go out, they're gonna they're gonna say hey knock it off.
11:30:21 And, you know, and then, and then they, you know, same people if they, they don't knock it off, they'll go back and they'll, you know, tell them to knock it off and at some
point, you know they'll get cited, or they'll get code enforcement will ensue
11:30:36 or whatever.
11:30:38 One particular place. So, go ahead Chief.
11:30:42 The other thing is does. If we have a fire as a result of consumer fireworks. This gives us and we're able to determine how and who. This gives us another thing that we can
add to the charges.
11:30:55 In addition to starting to fire is Hey you, you're also violating the fire expand or the burn ban. So, that that element is also important to note, and probably part of the
public messaging.
11:31:07 When that officer goes around the first time, you know, not only are you going to get a fine. If this goes poorly for you but you're also liable for any damage, you know, Daddy,
daddy.
11:31:17 Yes. And that's, that's the main reason you want this enforcement language in there, something serious happens there's a fire started. God forbid somebody gets killed as a result
of the fire.
11:31:29 You want to be able to take it to a different level.
11:31:33 and otherwise you're mostly going to be, you know, trying to get people to voluntary voluntarily comply and this is a resource issue just like all all the other, you know, like
the noise ordinance, for example.
11:31:49 Same, same kind of thinking only this is much more scary than the noise ordinance which is why you want to have these provisions in them.
11:31:58 Fill up on that, you know, as Heidi said a lot of the comments that we get are are really about kind of the nuisance impacts, you know, I mean, calling out the gardener boat
ramp, in particular, you know, there's certainly a neighborhood perception that
11:32:12 you know for three days around the Fourth of July folks from out of town come in, take over a week garbage everywhere and create a new sense and. And I think it's a reason why
explicitly listing the hours that are allowed to run fireworks would not emboldened
11:32:27 by empower the deputies the sheriff's office if they did comment, you know, 1130 at a on a third of July, you know, half an hour after the state requires you to stop shooting
out fireworks, then they could point to that, that coordinate saying oh it's
11:32:45 past 11 you really need to stop now. So, I guess.
11:32:49 I think there's a few few just clarifying changes we can make to to empower her law enforcement and fire district officials.
11:32:57 Yeah, that makes sense to me, Michelle.
11:32:59 And so we can, you know, we can add that provision we talked about earlier that will help with that I think.
11:33:08 Okay.
11:33:10 Um, so this provision also makes clear that you can use. You can use code code compliance for feet procedures and title 19 as well if you want. So just more flexibility.
11:33:22 Okay.
11:33:24 We made it all the way through the fun part.
11:33:29 Uh, additional questions comments concerns.
11:33:34 Thank you for the good over you guys I mean I'm I remain healthy.
11:33:49 concern concerning behavior for decades. So, but, I look forward to
11:33:58 putting the putting the know fireworks signs up, helping you know, helping get the word out to the community.
11:34:05 Could you have something else you want to add.
11:34:08 Yeah, I just wanted to highlight to the commissioners how, excuse me how much I appreciate the collaboration for Mr Hunsaker Mr McCauley on this topic.
11:34:17 I don't think I'm exaggerating I was just skimming through my emails I think we have dozens maybe close to 100 emails going back and forth on this topic, and their spirit of
collaboration has really been appreciated and patients as well.
11:34:30 You know, trying to get the will of the other four or five or three fire chiefs.
11:34:37 And, you know, all of us to get someone on the same page is a interesting challenge but just having them both be approachable and adaptable has really been, appreciate it and
you know it's, to your point, Miss Eisenhower.
11:34:51 In the enforcement part was the biggest sticking point.
11:34:55 You know because firefighters, you know don't have the bandwidth to add anything to our workload especially on high hazard days like the Fourth of July.
11:35:04 So, the impractical element or expectation that I've heard you know throughout my career as well firemen can just go out there and tell them to knock it off but we're playing
whack a mole with multiple calls and rain fire here there.
11:35:18 And I know law enforcement is it has the same challenges so the enforcement frustration you're expressing is something that we all feel, whatever we decide to implement we know
it's not gonna be perfect but this is the first big step to addressing the
11:35:32 issue we set the set the line in the sand now.
11:35:36 And then it's up to us to look forward as community leaders to see what enforcement and messaging we can try to make this less of a hazard.
11:35:46 So thank you again to mark and Philip and chief that goes both directions. We could say the same thing about you and the other chiefs.
11:35:56 And I want to add that the Chiefs that a lot of work away from us to try to come in and provide coherent comments that made it much, much easier for us so really appreciate
that and appreciate cheap black and a Brian chick tracers efforts to get us really
11:36:14 good, really good cohesive comments that was really helpful.
11:36:19 it I would just say this to you we
11:36:23 you know what a part of what we're doing is we're trying to, we're trying to tell people what the normative behavior is, you know, and we've done that with other ordinances
if you remember the animal code when we realized that, you know, it's like, well,
11:36:39 you know, what should be the norm, we're not going to go out, chasing everybody whose dog is not on a leash. Obviously this Well, let's say, for the most part this is more serious
if you get somebody, a dog biting someone you know it's pretty serious
11:36:51 but.
11:36:53 Um, so, so it's partly normative, you know, to tell people what, you know what, what to expect and we should publicize this is some extent to particularly when we're rolling
up to the Fourth of July.
11:37:07 And I think once we tweak the ordinance to add the provision that Commissioner Brotherton was saying we'll have a good package for people.
11:37:14 And the last thing I would say don't forget you know we're part of this was to give us the ability to do something when we weren't happy with the authorized state officials.
11:37:27 They declared something Yeah.
11:37:29 So my only my only hanging Chad is can we add something about an expectation that people clean up their garbage, because I can't tell you how many dozens of hours I've spent
on the fifth of July, cleaning up the beach over the last 40 years of Irondale
11:37:48 Beach Park I don't know if we can add if there's language from another ordinance we can grab have an expectation that people clean up after themselves because it's bad.
11:37:59 It's bad environment it's bad for you know our parks, our park staff, end up having to do a lot of it. So, is there littering littering statute we can include or exciting or
public messaging even.
11:38:15 I don't.
11:38:16 Yeah, we could take a look at that. I mean, I think, as far as display fireworks are concerned. Yeah, you know there's been there I know this from my prior works, work with
a fireworks display company that you know for big shows.
11:38:43 There were some environmental concerns expressed and best practices, had been adopted, you know a number of places for those for those kind of shows where, especially when they're
near water, but you know we could look at adding something to deal with,
11:38:47 you gotta clean up the trash but i think you know the practical matter is, by the time you're on, on the beach cleaning up stuff those people are long gone.
11:38:57 Oh I know but if we're if this is about setting the expectations then let's set the expectation.
11:39:04 People clean up after themselves as well I mean not just what they do on the Fourth of July, but how it impacts the community for the week after. Yeah, we could also include
some messaging when we start our, you know safety campaign in the spring, to
11:39:16 that and make sure we include that as well for them, you know, for the keeping our waterways clean i think is the biggest, I mean not it's unsightly yeah but I mean contaminating
the water is probably the biggest obvious, no brainer.
11:39:28 Well that can be on the posters that weren't stapling up at all the trial heads. There you go.
11:39:38 So here's my suggestion for how to deal with that, um, what I'd suggest is that you asked me to develop some language for that to present at the hearing so we can be considered.
11:39:48 And that way we can tweak the ordinance the way we've discussed today, I take some thinking more thinking and then then with the other stuff. And then, you know, we can present
it at the hearing for consideration and
11:40:02 see what you like about it and what do you want to men, the one that gets noticed does that make sense. Sorry to make more work for you but that sounds exactly like what we
would like to see, you know, this is not a matter of more work this is a matter
11:40:16 of trying to get it right.
11:40:18 Appreciate that. And all the effort.
11:40:21 No problem. It's.
11:40:24 We're happy to do it.
11:40:35 Is there anything, Any other questions that we have, or can I have a motion to adapt to hearing ordinance.
11:40:42 So moved.
11:40:48 Second.
11:40:50 All in favor.
11:40:53 I want to clarify it at all. Yeah, have a hearing so we're gonna have a hearing on the draft ordinance as discussed today with the additions that Philip will make your hands
soccer will make repealing and replacing chapter eight dot seven fireworks in
11:41:11 the sky lanterns of the Jefferson County code. The hearing is scheduled for Monday February, 28 at 11:45am and the Commissioner's chambers at the Jefferson courthouse or on
your favorite zoom screen somewhere closer.
11:41:25 Can I have it. Can I have a motion for that. Sorry, I didn't want make sure I heard you that 8.75 right is the chapter it. Yeah, yeah.
11:41:35 I was getting I was getting down to second on paper.
11:41:46 They will revise revise this for posting on the county's website as discussed.
11:41:51 Thank you all for your work say thanks for calling. Thank you, Chief black.
11:41:57 You said.
11:42:05 So may I be demoted please.
11:42:05 Does that mean we're not going to do the workshop.
11:42:08 We workshop today and we'll be doing the hearing them.
11:42:18 Now the workshop, we talked about was for the public records. Oh, right. Sorry. Yep. No.
11:42:21 Okay.
11:42:25 As well as, half an hour for that hearing right.
11:42:39 The public records hearings at 1115 and then 1145 is our fireworks coordinates. You think that's really
11:42:42 well if one goes long, you know, we'll just delay the second.
11:42:47 And we have the workshop opportunity with public records one. So, I think, usually I think a half an hour is reasonable budgeting.
11:42:54 Yes.
11:42:56 We have a few minutes until noon and I know that I'm going to the last tech meeting today and it was noticed as a public meeting and I'm not sure if anyone else's but, um, they
are talking about the final guidance on funding, the use of coven funding.
11:43:15 So, I could do my looking back now I think I talked about was replacing.
11:43:23 Um, and then we if we have time we can look forward together.
11:43:29 Um, so in addition to the meeting that I talked about earlier with the two parties about the read redrawing the precincts for Jefferson County.
11:43:40 Less Yeah, there was a special meeting of the Transit Authority and we reorganized the board David Faber is now the chair takes takes over Kate's role as chair of the Transit
Authority Board for 2022 and I raised my hand to be vice chair so I am serving
11:43:56 in that capacity for 2022, which also puts me and David on the finance committee.
11:44:07 So, Let's see, I've been doing a lot of work on with DNR, and with local community stakeholders on the trust Clinton transfer program because I signed up for that provides a
work group round two.
11:44:23 And we've been working on getting that provisos through the legislature with Senator bandwagon representative Derringer because it needed a little more funding.
11:44:33 In addition to that we're working on the final approval of the day Bob a natural area expansion which also needs a little bit more funding to complete the appraisals for those
parcels.
11:44:48 So, those those projects are all seem to be moving forward nicely and it's just a lot of coordination and communication.
11:44:58 I'm starting program review with behavioral health vendors the looking at looking at what happened in 2021 we meet with all vendors, Anna McHenry and myself and Aislinn has
stepped on as Vice Chair of behavioral health.
11:45:16 So she's attending some of those meetings as well, is Lindy mid city from the city of counsel Port Townsend city council
11:45:27 I'm tend to the county finance meeting last week for the first time, so that's a chair of the BCC duty.
11:45:35 I've been making time to kind of take a walk and talk with other electives and other community leaders just checking in, I had a nice visit with Aaron Berger walked around the
board and talked, talked about the moderate what risk waste facility and our
11:45:51 desire to keep it in spot for a few more years while we do some Capital Planning around solid waste. So that was a good conversation we talked about the poplars and what they're
learning they're creating a fact sheet to get out to the community about
11:46:07 some of the issues around the poplars and the popular lions is also working on getting their information out so the popular communication continues.
11:46:22 Um, and then just, I mean, we all know I love the boatyard, I love walking around the boatyard and seeing everyone at work and, I mean, so the boatyard is so full right now.
11:46:35 I mean that was surprising I mean spring is usually a really busy time because all the commercial fleet is in there, doing their preseason maintenance work and then everyone's
in there doing their pre summer sailboat maintenance so super busy in the boatyard
11:46:53 right now.
11:46:54 Still drilling in on straight, environmental restoration network local integrating organization and getting care up to speed and she's doing a great job as our new coordinator
for the Lio and john Campbell like is, is kind of staying on as as our climate
11:47:25 for that entity and going to stay on some of the climate work committees that happened as part of that straight era and then the Marine Resources Committee met again last week
and Brenda Johnson's doing a great job is the new chair of the MRC.
11:47:36 I'm, I'm still working on characterizing the constraints and opportunity around septic management both in Jefferson County and also in the region, working with pinky and Linda
Atkins and Amanda narrow and Goodman sanitation.
11:47:52 We've also started communicating with with cell phone, Jamie Bodden and Senator Vandeweghe helping me think through kind of what what a pathway might be for a separate edge
capacity study for Western Washington or the Olympic Peninsula, to kind of figure
11:48:10 out when we're actually going to meet you know the end of our capacity as a county or as a three county region, and what we can do to plan for that.
11:48:22 In terms of where we dispose of our waste so critical work very critical work everybody takes advantage of flushing their toilets and its peers that we're coming to a juncture
of needing more capacity.
11:48:40 I also started looking at the build the build the infrastructure website, mostly around I was curious if there was funding a funding partner on on that site for wild fire protection
planning, because it's something that chief black and we were talking
11:49:00 about last year, not as part of the fireworks issues.
11:49:06 Specifically, but more as, as, you know, community, whether trends change and, do we have a community wildfire protection plan, seems like it would be a good thing for us to
move forward with developing and so he is interested in looking at that so that's
11:49:22 one place, there are specific pots of money in there for wildlife protection planning, but I have this as far as I got.
11:49:33 Okay.
11:49:33 Yeah, just so you know that we are getting funded through no DC to do a community wildfire protection plan, and the details aren't ironed out on that yet but William chief black
are involved in that.
11:49:49 So, that is that is really somewhat covered.
11:49:53 Great, that's because it seems like that scope of the plans can be really intensive like it can be quite a lengthy or Mayra expensive process.
11:50:06 Yeah, and I don't know the scope that will be covered by the NRDC grabs but I'll get more details and share them with you. Great, great.
11:50:15 The beauty of not being able to talk to each other.
11:50:20 Um, Mark and I have been refining our list of workshops and if we find time this afternoon would like to just kind of share with you the big list that we all worked on developing
last year, we've kind of looked at it and said well number of these topics
11:50:34 we've actually covered over the course of our Monday meetings and workshops in the last year, but we've identified I think about 15 that we would still like to move forward
with scheduling and want to get, you know, all of our input on that so if we have
11:50:49 time this afternoon will show you where we're at with that list.
11:50:54 And then Mark mentioned the boards and committees, we're going to add that as a standing agenda item to our Monday meetings, once a month so that we review where the gaps are
in terms of committees in our communities that need volunteers, and that'll
11:51:16 make that a more public process and, and kind of keep it front of mine for all of us. Um, so yeah, that was my last week.
11:51:20 And don't know if you got any questions but we have about 10 more minutes we can look forward Greg could start with looking at the next week.
11:51:29 It'd be mark two. Oh yeah, Mark.
11:51:35 For me, so my last week.
11:51:38 Since we didn't have a fifth Monday board meeting, I took my first PTO day, and I can't even remember how long on Monday.
11:51:49 That was very nice.
11:51:51 Then on Tuesday.
11:51:53 I tested the finance committee meeting with Stacey.
11:51:59 She always does a very good job of explaining our debt and investments, and it helps to understand the sheer magnitude of the task that she's entrusted with because of the number
of junior taxing districts and the various accounts that she has to keep
11:52:14 track of. So, the hat to to Stacey. And then we had a risk management, management meeting where we went over potential and actual litigation and discussed a number of claims
against the county.
11:52:29 And then the courthouse security group met to talk about courthouse security, and in that meeting, we talked about a budget item for courthouse security, that is
11:52:46 currently being considered and we've asked, Commissioner Dean, to take up the mantle there to see if they could get that funding approved, because we have some equipment we'd
like to buy for our courthouse, and we would certainly apply for some of those
11:53:01 funds.
11:53:04 Policy Management Group on Wednesday, Caswell brown village meeting on Thursday munis project meeting at noon, and then at a meeting with Bob Braun and Sarah Melanson to discuss
one of our collective bargaining agreements, where we had some definitions
11:53:25 that were not clear and Bob is amazing, explaining things so a simple guy like me can understand them.
11:53:33 And then on Friday corporate coordination and a couple of meetings with my department directors, so that was last week for me.
11:53:43 Is he, busy, busy, busy.
11:53:47 Well, Greg. Do you want to look forward.
11:53:51 I can look for it. Absolutely.
11:53:53 But see nothing going on after we're done here today.
11:54:00 Tomorrow I'm meeting with Chief manly from Brennan as well as superintendent bettered and really begins to talk about emergency prep in Brennan, really coming from a couple
concerned conversations I had with residents down there during that extreme weather
11:54:17 event that we're so your fire departments looking at maybe getting a backup generator and we're just looking at finding a place and communication strategy for, for just community
wide emergency response in that, you know, very removed neighborhood area,
11:54:36 and also talking about the me Are you out of the, the NPR the Portland low masterplan resorts. There is a requirement from the old ordinance that that the county has not been
quite up to speed on reporting how many equivalent residential units, essentially,
11:54:56 are being used for their septic system so trying to get that going.
11:55:03 We have the cuisine empowered teens coalition tomorrow as well.
11:55:08 And then on Wednesday we have our, our first Orca clean air agency meeting with our new executive director Jeff Johnson looking forward to that.
11:55:18 We have our normal Wednesday development meeting with 17 Hendricks seven Pavan excuse me, you know, we're still waiting to hear back the big issue on that right now it's not
a big issue but just some of the dollars that are involved.
11:55:33 and we were already keyed off residential prevailing wage, but there's still a few prevailing wage questions that we just want to make sure everything is on the up and up so
have a letter and to Elena to establish what how they would interpret some of
11:55:47 these questions about different grant monies kicking off commercial prevailing wage which would add, millions to the budget, a meeting with DCD and some concerned, applicants
on Wednesday and then Wednesday afternoon, evening we have the only cap board
11:56:11 meeting.
11:56:08 I was elected chair again so I'll go to the finance meeting at 430 and board meeting at 530.
11:56:17 Big news with Well yeah, I'll have some updates for all the cap that can share with more details next week but there's a few changes coming in the programs that are pretty substantial
from only cap right now.
11:56:30 Cosmo ground meeting I will be at this week, the the weekly meeting, I think we have our septic permit and I don't know if Mark has anything else to report from last week but
it's moving forward and we should be close to a budget I don't know Mark did
11:56:42 they talk about a budget last week and yeah they're good. They're inching closer, but the septic permit I think was approved.
11:56:50 Great, great. And so we're still just trying to get, you know, electrical bids and septic installations and things like that so that's the delay in that budget.
11:56:58 Thursday afternoon I have three meetings at the same time, the, the first housing fun board meeting at two o'clock from two to four. And my first clean water advisory meeting
with Michael Dawson starts at three so I might be a little late for that meeting.
11:57:16 And then, as a board of health member I'm sitting on the Behavioral Health Consortium, and that meeting is also at three o'clock so that will probably get since I usually listen
a lot more than talking that one so if anyone would like to participate in
11:57:31 my stead from three to four it's usually a pretty good digest of some of the updates of behavioral health organizations, whether it be law enforcement or medical or social service.
11:57:43 So if anyone's interested in attending that it's wide open.
11:57:49 A JJ bats, on Friday morning. And then, and then having lunch with friends, and then we have to redo last, or the week before we get our blue is recycling, read his verbiage
video indicating, you know, reflecting the new contract was spoken that'll be
11:58:08 coming up in April or so, and we forgot a couple cards so we're going to have to redo that hopefully we get as much action behind we had trucks dumping off recycling bins and
forklifts coming around so go do that again Friday afternoon.
11:58:26 And that's my coming week.
11:58:29 I have, I can't cover on Thursday afternoon, because I'm actually going to be out of, out of town for a day. And I'm going to call in for a meeting at three 330 to 430 so I
think I'm conflicted during that time frame.
11:58:47 And I'm in housing funds board meeting with you, Greg. at that time so cover meeting. I'll let Laurie know yeah Thursday afternoon, you know, it's still some of these my first
clean water advisory meeting so you know just was unaware that the conflict
11:59:02 was looming until until it populated in my account.
11:59:05 It worked out. Thanks.
11:59:08 Looks like we're right at 1159 so do we want to adjourn for now until 130, and then recess recess until 130 and then come back at 130 and continue that work for everybody.
11:59:22 Yes, we are recessed.
13:30:09 Yeah, it was by quickly out say, yeah.
13:30:15 Okay, it's 130.
13:30:20 Not sure if we have a core but know Kate.
13:30:29 Wait.
13:30:27 Wait. Maybe you know to me I don't think I've ever seen you not smiling. No, it's the other people have brought to my attention.
13:30:38 I call us back into order and we'll hope that Commissioner Dean joins us maybe she's
13:30:48 scheme
13:30:51 columns in the slopes. I don't think that's nice.
13:30:58 Do you are Wait just a minute to see if she joins us before we hand it over to Tammy yeah that's what I was thinking just maybe another minute.
13:31:17 Oh babies working.
13:31:12 Yeah.
13:31:15 that's great.
13:31:19 Frozen with a big smile of Tami's on.
13:31:29 We can get going. I mean, she joins that'll be great. Um, so I think the first item on our agenda this afternoon is discussion and potential action amending a resolution 28
dash 16 dedicating conservation futures funds to the big quill seen river for
13:31:51 the moon Valley reach project.
13:31:54 And with us as Tammy Pokorny to tell us what we're looking at.
13:31:59 Thank you. Yes, the amended resolution would do two things. Hopefully, extend the project.
13:32:08 potential deadline, it's not a hard and fast deadline, but the original resolution indicated that the project sponsor, which in this case is the county would have three years
to complete the project, and that would have wrapped up then in 2019.
13:32:28 Since this was approved originally in 2016.
13:32:32 Our project partner though the canal Semin enhancement group has been making great progress progress, it's just taken longer.
13:32:40 The project originally included two properties. The first one would occur property was already acquired and the second one that Lawsky has taken longer.
13:32:51 The application didn't wasn't clear and that's the second part of the amended resolution is to clarify whether or not, parcel if acquisition of two of the three parcels involved
in the back Lawsky acquisition is acceptable.
13:33:10 The application left it open that there might be conservation easement or it might be the simple in its entirety and what it actually is an ending up being is complete, the
simple acquisition of one parcel and partial acquisition of have another two.
13:33:26 So the total project award for both properties would occur and back blocky was was $5,000 a minor amount, with the idea being that the contribution features award to the capital
acquisition would then make the project eligible to apply for operations
13:33:46 and maintenance into the future.
13:33:49 And so
13:33:55 the submitted resolution then would would just agree to the time extension to close on the back Lawsky property. Most likely, this month later this month.
13:34:05 And then, acknowledged that it would be partial fee, simple, and the entirety of the third person.
13:34:15 Okay.
13:34:18 So it sounds like the real substantive change here is the time extension.
13:34:25 And that this was approved, originally in 2016 maybe inside Well, well before my time here.
13:34:36 But I'm familiar with acquisition projects and I'm also familiar that they take off and take more time than you originally thought.
13:34:46 So, I don't see any concerns with this I don't know Greg, do you have any this being in your district.
13:34:53 No, I've been down to the moon Valley reach yeah no this is just, I mean, it's the kind of change you have to make these projects so you know, 2016 was quite a bit for my time
or Commissioner Dean's as well but supporters of the project and I love that
13:35:06 the house found a new place to.
13:35:12 So, is there.
13:35:25 chime in here. Yeah, yeah. Sorry I was, I've been listening in, but it was having a hard time connecting, so I'm a great like this is fairly standard for these complicated projects
to get delayed and so I don't have concerns.
13:35:31 Okay so Does somebody want to make a motion.
13:35:35 I'll make a motion that we approve the amendment resolution 28 dash 16 dedicated conservation future funds to the big Wilson River Valley reach project as presented today.
13:35:50 Second.
13:35:52 All in favor.
13:35:54 Aye.
13:36:05 passes unanimously.
13:35:59 Thank you so much.
13:36:14 Go forward and protect land, land with Tammy forward to visiting this area, some time with you all. Yeah,
13:36:14 sounds
13:36:14 good to see you too.
13:36:16 Thanks again.
13:36:23 expected. So, 24 minutes. We have a workshop at two on our grants, but
13:36:35 we got through looking forward, Greg did has looked forward.
13:36:41 Kate and I had haven't done ours Mark hasn't done his so Kate, do you want to do you're looking forward.
13:36:47 Sure. Yep.
13:36:53 I have a surprisingly light sweet.
13:36:57 See, got Climate Action Committee tomorrow afternoon.
13:37:03 Policy Management Group on Wednesday, housing, fund board on Thursday and legislative steering committee for Association of Counties on Friday, but yeah surprisingly light week
leave some time for bunch of legislative projects working I'm working on with
13:37:22 with various stakeholders so yeah it's it's nice occasionally to have one of these people.
13:37:33 And I also have a fairly light week I, I
13:37:39 have a number of view. Tomorrow I'm gonna go out and meet with some constituents they're all kind of in a geographic cluster so I have three meetings back to back in the morning.
13:37:50 I have a couple of behavioral health vendors vendor data meetings this week.
13:37:56 Olympic Discovery Trail meeting
13:38:13 been training scoping with Department of Community Development Britain is doing interested in getting some of his staff lean training they actually a staff are interested in
and express that to him so I'm gonna have a meeting with he and URL and Jay,
13:38:16 the local our local lean team.
13:38:20 local or local lean team. I'm having lunch with a potential county administrator candidate.
13:38:25 And it's a short work week for me I'm going to be out of county, two days at the end of the week on business has been business Walla Walla,
13:38:39 and then but one thing that I wanted to bring to your attention is I'm having a meeting with KPTZ tomorrow about an idea to have some new segments related to count county business,
nonprofit county business.
13:38:55 And, you know, I, it's just egg that hasn't happened yet, obviously, but that one idea is that potentially we could rotate with topics like choose a topic or committee we're
working on, and have a segment.
13:39:10 Maybe it's a every two weeks or once a month segment on KPDZ, they're very interested.
13:39:18 And I've been talking with them for a couple weeks about this so I'm going to meet with them tomorrow and I'll report back next week.
13:39:24 But I just thought it might be nice to start getting some news out there about all the good work we're doing.
13:39:31 I mean, I feel like I'm digging in on some fairly meaty topics and I have to think the public would be interested in some of them, so
13:39:42 I will fill you in next week.
13:39:46 And the other thing that I had to talk about today is the updated workshop list but I don't know Mark Do you want to go over your week and then we can, we still have time Look
at that, updated workshop list.
13:40:00 Sure, I can get through my week pretty quickly.
13:40:04 Of course, today's spoken for, and then tomorrow I have a meeting with the other chief executives.
13:40:11 And then following that we're going to the public sector cabinets going to meet to prepare for the ICG meeting on the 17th that on Wednesday. Policy Management Group and then
Heidi you send an invitation about water and sewer infrastructure.
13:40:29 So I need to consider whether to attend that and skip Policy Management Group.
13:40:37 Then Heidi You and I are meeting on Wednesday to check in and review the agenda for the 14th because you're out of town on Thursday.
13:40:47 And then, Thursday the 10th of SEO breakfast, that etc hosts than a Caswell brown update. And I think Greg will be in on this one.
13:40:59 Hopefully they'll have a budget for us Greg Muniz project meeting at noon, and then housing fun bored.
13:41:06 In the afternoon, and then nothing on Friday.
13:41:14 Hey, I'm happy Can I just jump in with a quick question.
13:41:20 I think mostly for Greg, this is just a little bit calendar related that's been posted out on my computer for a while I'm good you plan to continue to service the, and that
resource Advisory Council for the, for a service, the Olympic Peninsula resource
13:41:36 NET resource Advisory Council for the, for a service, the Olympic Peninsula resource Advisory Committee.
13:41:41 The Olympic brats there it's called the rack.
13:41:46 Research Committee. The Forest Service came to us a couple years ago, or maybe year and a half ago talking about the planning work that they were doing and they were bringing
in this advisory committee and believe you offered to participate and I'm not
13:41:59 sure if it got delayed due to coded, but I'm happy to participate I just racking my brain because I haven't done anything. So, I would assume that it has not come together but
still happy to serve on sending out they're sending out notices right now.
13:42:14 Okay, well I will respond to one.
13:42:17 Okay, I'll forward it to you in case you didn't get it. Cool. um, but the other asking for participation, so be great if, if you want to serve in that role, happy to do it.
13:42:31 Thank you.
13:42:33 Anything else and briefing, looking back looking forward, any thoughts come up, since we shared what we're doing. last week, the week before and this week.
13:42:44 Okay.
13:42:47 Okay, so you don't have to send it.
13:42:59 Oh, I will share my screen and the workshop updated workshop list.
13:42:59 See, while you're doing that Heidi I'll just ask because it sounds like you've got the, the guidebook the infrastructure guide book.
13:43:16 Greg is that something that you have, have gotten a link to it wasn't well promoted that I've seen. Okay, send it to you.
13:43:21 See.
13:43:26 Dang, your kid I had shared that with Heidi and she and I talked this morning about whether to get something scheduled with department directors and whatnot and she gave me
the thumbs up, thumbs up, and so I was going to share it with Greg, this afternoon,
13:43:38 I can do that. Unless Unless you want to.
13:43:42 do that. Unless Unless you want to. I can, I can send it off and then I'd also like to potentially add it as a workshop topic that's what triggered me about it.
13:43:49 Okay.
13:43:52 Is it. Are you guys still seeing that screen. Yep. Okay.
13:43:57 It's kind of fun my laptop so it's a little small so you'll remember that together last year at one point, I think when Philip was still here morally, we came up with this list
of like 50 potential workshops and Mark and I went through the list and all
13:44:18 of the ones that are on the screen currently.
13:44:22 If they started American rescue plan and go down to transportation. Those are ones we feel like those categories of we've talked about him in the last year.
13:44:32 And we don't know if if we need to bring them back up onto the schedule workshop list or.
13:44:41 This is kind of the parking lot of the entire list, these ones. So maybe right now if you see any that you think should be brought back up before I get up to the list of ones
we think we should schedule.
13:44:54 Make a note scribble a note or take a note in your head.
13:45:00 I mean there's obviously work to be done on a lot of these topic areas, but they were never receiver fleshed out or specific in the initial compiling of the list.
13:45:12 I'm sorry, Heidi, I think I missed a step you're saying the first the first 15 of them there are the ones that you think that we've already addressed.
13:45:22 No, well, so why you should see on the screen right now if you're seeing the same thing I'm seeing is 25 through 47. Is that what you're seeing. I see down at the bottom under
four of you I see 2424 four through 39 not all of them.
13:45:37 Okay.
13:45:38 This is why this might be a little hard to do this way.
13:45:42 I mean that's a big and sit in a room with paper together.
13:45:46 So, the one, the projects 25 through 47 or ones that we felt like had been addressed
13:46:01 at the top it says for review 2021 brainstorm list that some part of them had been addressed over the course of the last six to nine months and work that we've done together.
13:46:14 And we didn't know if we should carry them forward and put them back on the active workshop list. I'll say that number 26 the behavioral health one. You know we have a new navigator
program locally the real program that came from the BHA so and those
13:46:29 programs are so active I know we just kind of went over our sheriff's navigator but I think maybe I would be happy to put together a workshop that's kind of the continuum of
care for behavioral health, substance abuse and mental health issues, just so
13:46:44 we can.
13:46:45 I know it's a really complicated framework and I think it's getting more clarified. And there's money coming into it so i think i think that would still be aware the workshop.
13:46:55 So we do have a behavioral health topics, one up here 16.
13:47:00 Yeah, and then I reached out to Anna and asked her to think about what you know what topics might be good for us to cover and workshops, so maybe you want to work together with
her.
13:47:13 I'd be happy to.
13:47:19 So how do you gonna change the key department to Greg there since he sounds like he's taking that one.
13:47:25 Well I just added his name.
13:47:27 Yeah. Okay.
13:47:29 Okay, so I'm looking back down so the activity right now is to see if there are any that are on the bottom that we need to pull up.
13:47:41 Can you scroll down a little bit.
13:47:42 Yeah.
13:47:50 We're not seeing your scroll hiding.
13:47:54 So do you you don't see 25 to 46 there now.
13:48:00 It gets cut off at 30 screenshots, pause, it says screen sharing is paused them share okay maybe now.
13:48:10 There you go.
13:48:11 I've never seen that before.
13:48:13 Okay, so I'm
13:48:18 gonna land for affordable housing they're still movement on this and you know just diving into the land trust model or other models where we can help I think it's an ongoing.
13:48:29 Yeah, there's a topic of interest. There's an item up above in the top section I think that was a larger housing umbrella discussion.
13:48:40 Okay.
13:48:43 So, you know anything housing related could be rolled into that one in a more general sense.
13:48:49 And then if a follow on workshop, would be necessary for any of the items discussed at that workshop we can schedule another.
13:49:01 Yeah. And I'd say, you know, some housing to come out of the housing fund board would probably they'll be something that comes out of there. I think this year, so maybe just
as a placeholder.
13:49:11 You know I think coming from DCD is one perspective and I think coming from the, the brain trust that it has been the housing task force for four years, is worthwhile.
13:49:35 Some of these do fall under regulatory reform, which I don't want to lose track of that it might be a little duplicative.
13:49:45 So do you think that they should be under a regular regulatory reform header or no, not necessarily just I don't know that we don't know that we need to move that up from the
bottom.
13:49:55 And yet, I don't want to lose track of it so just keep that that framing for some of these conversations like at us Lammers, you know, I.
13:50:04 Ok.
13:50:07 Ok, I'm back down to the.
13:50:12 Hi, Heidi, we're going to have a workshop on the housing fun board
13:50:17 idea, we're gonna have a workshop on the housing fund board know they're the kind of.
13:50:29 It's instead of it being in DCD workshop it's a housing fund board the work of the housing fund board, And the, what Greg just said that.
13:50:32 So does that relate to that replace number 13
13:50:37 asked to add one because 13 is really from the perspective of DCD and I was just asking for, you know, keeping a placeholder for a workshop from the perspective of the convening
that has been housing Task Force today, I think, interesting conversations
13:50:50 come out of there.
13:50:52 Definitely a foot I was thinking about land for affordable housing as, you know, from the.
13:50:58 Well one thing that's going to come out of the housing fund board Greg is going to be a policy on use of 1590 funds. Yeah.
13:51:14 And I would like to add, so sorry I'm not sure if you're interested in ADS. Also, or if you just want to look at the bottom list for now. That's fine and we can be.
13:51:24 We can be creative, we have 10 minutes we have nine minutes to be green and.
13:51:28 Okay, um, I think maybe some climate change priority setting
13:51:39 relation to the Fed.
13:51:41 Yeah, yeah, yeah, potentially, and also some NRDC funding and there's just a few, few different efforts going on, it'd be good to have us all briefed on and identifying kind
of the direction we want to go.
13:51:58 Okay, Heidi Did you add the public records workshop, we're going to have on the 14th.
13:52:03 Yeah, right there. Yeah, thank you.
13:52:09 So do you have time. Do you just said and short or in in the near term is is getting this is March or April or how check climate change priority setting.
13:52:22 It could be that soon.
13:52:24 I did not have not taken a look here at the, you know how many dates you have kind of spoken for but it would be would be nice and I think it is a little more time sensitive
than the amount of Megan's putting up here.
13:52:36 Or we can wait another decade to deal with that problem.
13:52:42 Okay.
13:52:46 Okay. Um, okay.
13:52:48 Do you want to scroll down and scroll up. Scroll down to your list.
13:52:54 Yeah.
13:52:58 Have the substance capacity when it seems like you're working on that but do you think
13:53:11 that's that should be one, I added it but I had it down there.
13:53:09 You know, it's maybe not information to us but I feel like we're some pretty big changes going on and Jefferson transit the excitement over the new Kingston route is palpable.
13:53:21 And I just wonder if we, I mean, we might not get a lot out of it since we all sit on the Jefferson transit board as well but I guess there's quorum issues as well.
13:53:32 But it is I would, I would love to shine a little bit of light on some of the efforts that are going on there and maybe when we're completed with our strategic plan and, you
know, in February and March.
13:53:45 Yeah, agree that it's, you know, we do, having a hard time filling with transportation planner position. Public Works and I would love to see some more strategy focused on transportation
it's it gets tricky because of the two different boards.
13:54:03 But staff changes happening there.
13:54:08 I'd say under Jeff calm while the future is pretty established, there are substantive changes that are going to be enacted within with the new the new systems you know by March
I think so, maybe I don't think you guys have met our new director Stacy rubrics
13:54:25 but maybe having Stacy out for a short workshop about the, the changes and the new kind of level of partnership with with Penn calm would be helpful. At a certain point I
13:54:38 often think that many of the committee's that we sit on are a lot of interesting work that we sometimes give pretty short shrift to in our, in our callbacks, you know, our weekly
call back so I mean, As developments happening in committees, you know,
13:54:54 whether it's, you know, straight bi n or anything i think you know taking an opportunity to say hey, you know, can you bring that PowerPoint deck to do an afternoon workshop
and they could they don't have to be two hours rarely are they, but I just, there's
13:55:09 lots, lots of, lots to cast light on I guess is what I'm saying.
13:55:18 down the list.
13:55:22 So any of these that you originally proposed that you're still excited to see on the list.
13:55:34 I think Capital Planning around solid waste is in the future but I'm not sure it's how, when it would be a best place workshop in terms of time to work out a little bit on that
I mean it's not going to be until the end of the year before we have.
13:55:49 I mean it's going to be just building a task force I think the task force was supposed to start at work and December, so I think it's really an early 23 workshop probably.
13:56:01 We just approved the hiring of consultants to lead that work so that's in process.
13:56:20 Lot of these should wait until we have a new county administrator, so that she or he could have a handle on things like working on, institutional bias and strategic planning.
13:56:37 Yeah.
13:56:43 Not a good year for community outreach meetings, it's an election year. Hmm. Yep.
13:56:53 Yep. Next year that would be next 2023 would be a good year for that.
13:56:57 Yeah.
13:57:00 Yeah, and I had Julie put that on the agenda planner that we we plan for those outreach meetings in August and we conduct them in October I think Kate, like we did a couple
years ago.
13:57:11 Mm hmm. Yeah.
13:57:16 What about childcare. That was one that I think you put on in this list Originally, I think, healthcare still I'm kind of holding that right now, and that could change but I
think letting them know there have a grant application and for the next round
13:57:33 of funding for planning and implementation so i think i think letting them carry that for now is fine, it's in good hands.
13:57:41 Yeah.
13:57:43 Broadband what certain talk about there and now that you've committed 750 plus 152 broadband for the pod. Do we need to talk about broadband anymore.
13:57:54 I mean, you know, I think having a presentation from the pod after we hear about the NTIA potential reconnect and they've got one other one out there that I forget who it's
from but you know the state broadband granted we assisted with is important but
13:58:11 you know I think there's more than that. Yeah, but you know maybe that's really an ice GCC. Yeah, I agree.
13:58:24 And you know homeless housing.
13:58:28 It's not quite right yet but it's very likely that we're going to have to do some strategic planning for the congregation emergency shelter, at which point.
13:58:37 It's kind of it.
13:58:54 Hey it's 158.
13:58:57 I just had a good one and I forgot. Oh, we gotta talk about something else it'll come back to me.
13:59:08 Is this something you could share with us it so it can, I can move over the good one I once we once we're done here I'll email it to all three of you.
13:59:18 Thank you.
13:59:27 Okay.
13:59:47 What two o'clock we're going to be joined by the EDC and the Community Foundation to talk about our pub business grants
13:59:40 in one minute. So, I will close this save it stop sharing.
13:59:47 It's like a bunch of folks are in the waiting room we can start bringing them over.
13:59:54 Getting brought over they have to approve the upgrade.
14:00:13 Hello, Everyone I
14:00:21 Wish we could be in person.
14:00:26 missing you.
14:00:28 I guess this is everyone that we expect Yes.
14:00:32 Yeah, I think this is it.
14:00:41 Great. I'll, I'll tee up and then pass it over to the folks that know much more than I about this you know this is this brief workshop and just kind of to keep track along the
way as Tim Jefferson etc develops the word, the process for the $500,000 of
14:00:53 small business grants that we have.
14:00:55 I talked with with Brian and send me a little bit last week, asked them to really talk about an exciting new partnership, which is why Jen is here so really really gratified
to hear more about that and a little bit, and then also want to make sure that
14:01:09 we talked about some of the additional services that that EDC has suggested in that we've approved, like the technical services grants, and then kind of timeline, so really
is just a heat check and temperature check where we are.
14:01:26 When do we expect to get to the point that we're actually getting this money out the door to those small businesses that need it. So with that I'll pass it off to you soon Oh,
go ahead, Mark.
14:01:35 Yeah, the two things that are in the contract that this workshop was intended to address is criteria for selecting who gets the grants, and then metrics to evaluate the success
of the program.
14:01:50 After the grants have been distributed and used by the businesses that received them so hopefully we can achieve those objectives, this afternoon.
14:02:02 Well thank you for the invitation. Then, I'm kind of eager to present this Brian has been doing most of the heavy lifting and Jen has joined our team pistol as of last week
so we're pretty excited to work together with Jefferson community Foundation's
14:02:17 good move.
14:02:20 Absolutely.
14:02:23 Complete the context, Brian and I have spent some time with our guidance, and we've designed a criteria based on what we discovered by interviewing other counties that are ahead
of us in this process.
14:02:38 In addition to the ARPA final rules, so we can. Oh, and we did a business survey of our community so we have like these three sources of information and, you know, a framework
to work with.
14:02:53 So Brian will walk through the current criteria that we've developed and the process what I'd like to start with is the timeline which we shared last time.
14:03:01 If you don't mind I'll share my screen ahead.
14:03:07 Yeah.
14:03:13 Yeah. All right, I think you can see the timeline here.
14:03:16 This is the same document we shared last time but just to illustrate where we are right now.
14:03:21 We're at the beginning of the second week of February.
14:03:25 And what we have is a criteria that Greg's helped us shape.
14:03:32 And the business grant that's pretty darn close ready to go, we probably could launch it this week we want to work a little bit more with Jen and kick the tires, but we think
we can launch it this week.
14:03:42 And at the same time the grant launches then we'll be building a team of reviewers. So by the time we've left the grant run for a month we should be ready to evaluate it rapidly,
and get the money out quickly.
14:03:54 So I think we're right on schedule we're actually early in terms of getting the contract signed.
14:04:00 And we're right on schedule I think for our launch.
14:04:05 So I'll get rid of this.
14:04:09 And we'll talk about the two, the two items that we've created.
14:04:15 Stop share.
14:04:17 So the first the primary one the larger of the two grants is designed to meet the needs of small businesses in our community. And as, as the guidance has laid out we're really
focused on need primarily some counties have focused on industry and we decided
14:04:32 not to do that here but to really kind of double down on the need and the people that haven't gotten help as much as they could have in the past.
14:04:44 And Brian will explain that in terms of our criteria.
14:04:47 The other product that we've developed carved out $50,000 for a technical service grant which is highlighted in the ARPA guidance. And what I like about that is that really
what we want to do long term is build an ecosystem of support.
14:05:04 That's right now.
14:05:06 The way that we've thought about small business technical assistance is quite fragmented.
14:05:12 And some of the common complaints that businesses have is that they don't know where to go for help.
14:05:17 Often if they do find help, they've gone to a bunch of sources before they find the right one. So we're not like helping small businesses find small business resources necessarily
they might get turned down by a bunch of big lenders for instance and get
14:05:31 kind of traumatized that by that before they find lion, for instance, so we can do a better job of linking technical service providers together to provide a seamless network,
and a continuity of service throughout industries and throughout stage of growth.
14:05:47 So by helping you know by using this kind of small carve out to start this relationship building I think that we're going to be better as kind of positioned to refine that network
so it actually works how it's intended to work, rather than be so patchy.
14:06:05 So with that brief description I'll just pass the ball to Brian and Jan and they can talk about the criteria and the use of the platform.
14:06:15 Great, thanks Cindy, just quick sound check you hear me okay.
14:06:19 All right. Well, good to see you all to, and Commissioner Dean I think we're getting closer to being able to see each other in person I'm optimistic that way.
14:06:31 But, so we have on the screen in front of you right now, probably looks a little bit familiar.
14:06:36 Because I think we had a rendition of this presented to you all about a month ago but just wanted to go over this again.
14:06:44 Per marks comment there as far as what the criteria is really are as Cindy said our, our goal is to right size or common size the economic impact to businesses, and hopefully
right size the calculated grants, award amount, as well.
14:07:17 And really, Commissioner Eisenhower, this is something we spoke about earlier is trying to take as much subjectivity out of this process as possible.
14:07:13 So really it's it's based on some kind of hard and fast numbers provided by the applicants. So start with the top obviously the ARPA guidance calls out historically marginalized
communities which include women minority veteran and travel owned businesses.
14:07:31 And obviously includes by Park in there.
14:07:34 So we give an allocation for that. And here's at the expense of overhead score that's where we really try and common size that the example I'll use is $20,000 reduction in revenues
to $100,000 business is a bit more impactful, to say the least than a
14:07:54 $20,000 hit to a million dollar business. And so that's where we're trying to capture that relative economic impact or in this case, the loss of the net operating income at
the business, and that's defined over here for folks to reference just essentially
14:08:08 the bottom line income, with no on her salary draws taken out.
14:08:15 There's also a specific carve out and this is very unique. And I believe it aligns with the intent that you all had shared with us before is giving scoring criteria to businesses
that started during the pandemic and haven't been able to access any of
14:08:34 the previous rounds of funding including PPP or idol.
14:08:38 So, this will give recognition to those businesses, and some financial relief.
14:08:45 Again employees is another one we have scoring applied to up to nine employees for folks and give a rising scale allocation based on that. And then finally, whether or not the
business is a home based business or micro enterprise.
14:09:03 That was something also called out in the ARPA guidance.
14:09:07 The other green line there is captured as other impacts from coded and that's the only real subjective part of the application. And that's an opportunity for the business to
articulate how their business may have may or may not have been specially impacted
14:09:23 from code coded in the mandates associated with it but also some uses specifically called out in Arbor guidance and those include commercial property rehabilitation facade improvements
expansion of the business, and I think it's just those three that
14:09:45 are called out, but actually I take that back. And also, I think, childcare expenses for entrepreneurs is something that's also included in impacts to businesses.
14:09:58 So we really want to capture that in
14:10:02 a little bit of a free forum type response. So that'll be the main work of the review committee, other than double checking numbers and facts and figures and previous grant
awards.
14:10:15 And that's one thing. You don't see in this particular sheet but in the scoring calculation sheet is there is an opportunity for businesses to articulate what they've been able
to receive in previous coven related support funding from there so we don't
14:10:34 penalize them for it per se but we again recognize that relative impact. And what resources they were able to receive historically, in contrast with that.
14:10:45 So any questions on the criteria specifically for this one.
14:10:50 I have one question, Brian.
14:11:04 I'm just curious with some of these we've talked about making this a really low barrier application especially for those micro enterprise companies that maybe don't have a p
amp L and might find it difficult to demonstrate what is the impact to the net
14:11:11 operating income, so I just wondering, What kind of how we're going to help businesses, make sure that we're not eliminating them from applying by the, the burden of wine.
14:11:16 Yeah, absolutely. I'm going to cover that in the next spot that I'm going to show I can be patient. Sorry. All right. Don't Don't let me off the hook if I skip over though.
14:11:24 All right.
14:11:26 Can you all see, make sure my sharing is correct, can you see a web page now and etc web page. Okay. Perfect, thanks.
14:11:34 So what we've done is created this landing page, this isn't really, I can send you the link but it's otherwise not listed on the website so it's not quote unquote live.
14:11:42 But this is where we're going to be directing folks to.
14:11:46 And I may be getting ahead of myself here but obviously once we go live with this. We're going to do a real heavy push the, you know, our email list social media.
14:11:57 Obviously notify each of you all in the county. And so, you know, each of you have your respective networks.
14:12:05 I'm confident you'll be pushing it out to will do a press release as well. Local media too so really want to get the word out but it'll all direct to this page.
14:12:17 And Greg here's some of the where we get into, you know really trying to encourage folks to apply mean entrepreneurs business owners and nonprofits are all encouraged to apply
and we really want to make sure people do.
14:12:32 We also described here how special consideration will go towards those who haven't been able to access as many resources in the past. I don't get into the specifics about the
calculation of common sizing the impact because we really want to keep, kind
14:12:48 of a nice a low bar for accessibility in terms of getting into that. So, we're going to have support here both from the Center for inclusive entrepreneurship, they're excited
to help us out with grant applications or applicants and then also internally
14:13:09 to with our own staffing capacity.
14:13:13 A couple things here I put together a cheat sheet for businesses so they'll know, going into it, what they'll need to apply, then thinking here I can put a link to what I'm
going to show you in a second but essentially hair.
14:13:28 Here's how to create your own profit and loss statement.
14:13:31 And this is one example.
14:13:34 Commissioner Brotherton I'll be honest with you before the meeting just now is looking at other ones that may be a little even more accessible for businesses really just breaking
down what a p amp L is and how to put that statement together to show your
14:13:50 net operating income so. But that's the intent there.
14:13:52 Now once businesses are ready to apply, they'll click here and then we'll go to this great resource that we recently made aware of machine learning company engine kingfishers
here to talk about that and what that application portal looks like and I do
14:14:11 have to say, partnering with jCf has been fantastic. It's, like, why didn't we do this sooner.
14:14:19 But Jen thanks for being here and, by all means please jump in.
14:14:29 I'm so pleased to partner with you all at the EDC and pleased to partner with you all at the county jCf with love to share our expertise and tools in grant making, and that's
a little bit about what we get to do we get to share some expertise and we get
14:14:45 to share.
14:14:47 Slick tool that we have called grants Lifecycle Manager, and I'm going to kind of lean in on the name a little bit it's called lifecycle managers, I heard one of you mentioned
what happens after the money goes out and indeed.
14:15:01 The program is designed for the full life cycle of the grant from from sending out an RFP, collecting those responses, evaluating those responses and applications and then following
up with organizations at any given time.
14:15:17 So it's pretty exciting use of jCf tools and expertise for great impact in our community. If you want I could just give you a quick little tour around the software.
14:15:29 You're, you're all interested okay so hopefully I have it set up so that I'm not gonna show anybody's details on the public meeting.
14:15:40 Okay, so this is my dashboard to the grant Lifecycle Manager if you were to look at it as an applicant, you would find something along the lines here this I have a hotspot so
my pictures don't come through as well, but you would see this introduction
14:15:56 to to the Jefferson business grant, you can hit the Apply button, and not when I'm in the public meeting.
14:16:13 I'll go back and see if I can apply again.
14:16:19 There you go. Yeah.
14:16:25 I can show you the application in detail, a lot of these. A lot of these boxes are designed to go exactly into the spreadsheet or a version of the spreadsheet that Brian showed
you, so we have questions that go specifically into that spreadsheet to figure
14:16:41 that calculations. This program is slick but it won't do the calculations on its own. So you can kind of look at the apply section here.
14:16:49 You can look at all the questions that that see the proposals asking of different businesses, you can see these things will go right into on the answers that go into the spreadsheet
for that for that calculation.
14:17:04 I can show you more of the applications you'd like. I also kind of want to show you the end as a, as a reviewer, different grant evaluators can go in here as a fake proposal
that as we were kicking the tires with the EDC we had submitted from Cathy, so
14:17:21 you can see all of that here.
14:17:24 All of those you can evaluate them side by side, you can check out the p&l Cathy uploaded this As for p&l, so you can see all of the different documents that come through within
the system, and we can sign up.
14:17:39 Anybody with an email address to be to securely view these, these applications.
14:17:46 Once you scroll down and show. Greg, to answer his question. Some of the things that we've put in there the links to make it easier for people to find the content that when
you're looking at your W.
14:18:01 You're watching set up I it has a link to the, to the Department of Revenue search again there and all sorts of different links for helps to finding different, different here's
the Ellen I verify.
14:18:17 Whoops, y'all, we need to catch that that one's not live.
14:18:22 And then different here's a for example, learning more about what I'm what a revenue is so we have links and all of these different places to help the applicants on figure out
what these things are again in this slick program, an applicant can stop there
14:18:39 and say, I don't have to figure out my, my revenue, they can save their application and then come back to the application.
14:18:46 So there's that. What I will be doing as administrator is I'm going to be able to go in once everything closes, and I'm create going to be able to create a report of all of
the different, the different answers that come in and.
14:19:05 And I'm going to be able to look at the report from the Jefferson business grant have it exactly in the order that Brian has it set up to make those calculations.
14:19:17 So all of those.
14:19:19 Those objective criteria to will will just work right into, into the spreadsheet. One other cool feature that we have here and I have to move it around so that I can see it.
14:19:31 Once we have.
14:19:35 Once these proposals are accepted in this system, each, each organization, nonprofit or for profit or you know whatever style of organization they are we can we get a, they're
assigned different follow up organizations are.
14:19:53 Excuse me, man, fumbling must be because I'm being recorded. Um, we are, we assigned follow up forms for these organizations so within the time that you know between the time
that check is issue.
14:20:10 And you all need follow up, we have these forms sent out to the businesses so they can report on on the use of the funds in whatever way and whatever timeframe.
14:20:18 You need them to be sent out in. So it's a pretty slick program designed for exactly this purpose, it's exciting to have a program that works in this way.
14:20:33 And again, we at jCf are excited to share our expertise and tools with you all at the county and with you all at EDC and I'd love to show you different things about the program.
14:20:43 If you're interested in seeing slick new things I know a couple of you have seen this before.
14:21:05 I can testify, it has, it is, it's a breeze to do reviews on how we did it and I hope at least this year, review some grants and it was a pleasure to work with.
14:20:59 So, Yeah, yeah.
14:21:01 Well, we haven't, we haven't designed the follow up survey yet.
14:21:05 We've been, you know, really focused on getting the application for to live. But Mark I would love to find out from you what the county would consider meaningful in terms of
feedback from these businesses.
14:21:23 Well, so when they apply they're going to make the case that they're eligible based on the criteria.
14:21:32 You know, net income loss, loss of employees.
14:21:37 So how did these grant funds help them recover How did these grant funds help them survive.
14:21:43 And were they able to keep employees were they able to retire did they increase their sales, their net income, things along along those lines, something that demonstrates that
the money they were given made a difference.
14:22:00 I just want to make sure that I understand correctly, these are pretty unrestricted funds when we get these monies out it's not like they're going to have deliberate deliverables
for this grant, we just would like a narrative to show how effective they
14:22:12 were.
14:22:13 That's what I believe we should have in case. At some point the future they, you know, the Treasury sends a team out here to look at what we did and how well we manage the funds
and what kind of results we achieve.
14:22:26 Okay.
14:22:34 Okay. And we can have some basic economic indicators certainly. But I think the point is to help people survive this and there may not, you know, they may not be increasing
their revenue but they may be able to make it into 2023.
14:22:45 Sure, well if they were on a trajectory that looked like failure was imminent and now it's not, I think that's a result we could all applaud.
14:22:56 Yeah, I think the trick is how we asked that question.
14:23:00 Right. Yeah, we've got some time to noodle on that sense, we I'm imagining will ask for some kind of a survey maybe in September and then end of year report.
14:23:12 Well, the most important thing today is the criteria for awarding the grants, the metrics the follow up the post grant survey.
14:23:22 You know that's not urgent, but our grant agreement does require that those be developed in conjunction with our board. Mm hmm. If not today at some future point.
14:23:32 Yeah, I'm really interested in trying to develop a criteria that's actually reflective of encouraging resilience.
14:23:41 As I think just by asking for revenue and number boys are not getting at that.
14:23:49 This is where I gotta give a shout out with her tool because this will be allows time to develop this these criteria, but also, it'll be automatically updating these applicants
down the road so this is my first blush at this resource but I'm really excited
14:24:06 about eliminating some of the, the administrative burden and overhead, that we enjoyed from previous grant round. Oh, enjoy. Yeah.
14:24:16 That's my marketing speak choice of words. It was funny for me because I was a tester for the tool when Jen first got it being on the board of the Community Foundation and I
recently got a reminder to submit my, my grant report.
14:24:34 I was like, what, what grant and it was I wrote a grant about dog poop bags for all the trail heads in the county and I was like, what, this sounds like something I would do
it I couldn't remember it and then I was like, Oh is my test grant so we know
14:24:51 works I mean it comes right back at you. That's fantastic. And thank you for your efforts they're fictional or no, my dog appreciates it. Um, So I want to be respectful of your
time but also touch on what we're proposing here today and Commissioner brothers
14:25:03 thank you again for your preparatory work on this. So we are recommending a car bout of $50,000 from the allocation, this commission made for technical service providers as
allowed and as described in the ARPA final guidance.
14:25:22 So this document wasn't quite ready to go in your packets. When those were being put together last week but can certainly send this to you, as it's closer to its final form
but really want to get down to the, the eligibility of who can apply.
14:25:38 So technical service provider.
14:25:41 There's actually really not a concise and broadly use definite definition of that but that gives us a little more breath as we're evaluating these, but this is where we're talking
about our friends like center for inclusive entrepreneurship jCf with their
14:25:56 creative creative entrepreneurs initiative and things like that that are providing direct technical assistance to businesses, and specifically those who are planning recovering
pivoting everything Mark just mentioned.
14:26:13 As a result of Cove ID. And so these are typically nonprofits, but could be for profits, we are recommending that they not have a location requirement for Jefferson County,
but instead that they serve Jefferson County businesses.
14:26:32 And that's, frankly, because of organizations like CIE which don't, other than the EDC office they don't have a, you know, an office address in Jefferson County, even though
they absolutely support Jefferson County in mass.
14:26:49 And, again, calling out those traditionally underserved businesses and communities. And so businesses that are, are these technical service providers that are working with them.
14:27:00 We're there, we don't have as many hard and fast requirements and the application, which Cindy and I'll be working on again very soon.
14:27:10 In instead an opportunity to describe the program and what's being offered or done.
14:27:17 We really wanted to keep this one a little more freeform. So we weren't trying to jam a you know a square peg in a round hole, but really just, you know, we have a sense of
the types of organizations that we're looking at, and asking them for detail about
14:27:32 what initiatives or programs, they're doing, and then with this as well a strong.
14:27:41 Follow up component to reporting back to us and ultimately to the commission of how the dollars were spent, how many businesses were impacted.
14:27:50 How many jobs may have been impacted you know revenue growth retention and things like that. So really try and tell that story that we're looking forward to hearing.
14:28:03 We're proposing that grants, amounts, be considered up to $20,000.
14:28:10 So, we're cognizant that, you know, there's not a lot of awardees potentially but we also want to leave room for, let's say, Earl and Jay, you know, want to do a specific program
for lean thinking for a specific type of business.
14:28:27 We want to leave room on the lower end for, you know, an allotment that would have a meaningful impact for that type of application, but also something larger with for an organization,
you know, traditional level of overhead and resources available to
14:28:41 help businesses.
14:28:44 So that's something we're working concurrently with. I would say in terms of launching this is probably up to a week later than when we launched the other application portal.
14:28:56 But barring any concerns or anything, any broad scale changes y'all would like to see.
14:29:04 That's what we intend to do and also will have Spanish language resources available. That's what the green highlight is there's to find the translation of that.
14:29:15 So anyway, we'll have this available for you to take a look at further but I did want to touch base on that and answer any questions you may have about that specific component
of the proposal.
14:29:26 You know, no, no question Brian but when this is you know this documents about done I love to dig into it and just kind of being in the room as you guys process through the
so would love to continue.
14:29:40 And make sure I can help in any way. Great, thank you.
14:29:44 I'm just excited by the team are building. To do this, I mean it feels like a limited pot of funding this time but I feel like we're really tooling up so we can do bigger stuff
together in the future and love that the EDC and JC app for partnering and
14:30:01 I think we'll know more about the resources we have in the community after going through this process so it's exciting.
14:30:10 This was we have a lot more money to give away.
14:30:14 Yeah, and I'll just echo those sentiments I'm not sure if Brian or Cindy, you mentioned that the this round and perhaps last time as well, that nonprofits are eligible for this
funding as well.
14:30:28 And so there, that's an extra Nexus with jCf, among others. So also really glad to see that relationship forming.
14:30:36 I've been able to see this another iteration of this conversation, and the EDC board, so just appreciate all of the good eyes and minds that have been put to this, and I think
it has improved a lot since we last saw it.
14:30:55 So, thank you for continuing to to refine.
14:31:11 We'll say goodbye express my appreciation for this carve out just to, you know, to begin to think and nested systems, you know, rather than funneling money towards small business
and expecting you know them on their own to, you know, mira Mira Mira grossly
14:31:17 recover,
14:31:19 to really start to think about economic impacts, in terms of systems is pretty exciting to me and this is a small step in that direction and I appreciate the opportunity.
14:31:32 Any. Anything else anyone wants to bring up. I think it's exciting, or their next steps that we need to consider what.
14:31:42 So in the next 24 to 48 hours, Jen and I are going to connect tomorrow and finalize the online application, there will be a period of time.
14:31:52 Very shortly thereafter, and I do mean very shortly.
14:31:56 We're going to push through some fictitious businesses, applicants and tests all the numbers. I'm really excited as a spreadsheet geek for Jin's customized extract of that which
will go right into a calculation spreadsheet and do nine tenths of the work
14:32:15 for us and doing that so we're going to we're going to test run that a few times before we go live but I'm anticipating within 48 hours we should be able to go live and so you'll
see a pretty hefty push.
14:32:28 If there's any component of what I just described that you would directly like to have a hand in, please don't hesitate to let me know, and we'll, we'll certainly include you
but otherwise.
14:32:40 This is well on its way to being live and gathering applications for the next 30 days.
14:32:47 I think I did already volunteer or was volunteered to be part of the review panel, but I'll just reaffirm my, my interest in participating in that. Perfect.
14:32:55 Thank you.
14:32:57 Yeah. Um, yeah so can we go live in two days if we don't find any glitches and our overlay between the spreadsheet and the program
14:33:08 is, why not.
14:33:10 Why not. Okay, isn't any reasons the answer would be no that anyone can think of.
14:33:18 Gone.
14:33:20 Yeah.
14:33:21 Okay.
14:33:22 Well good and what you'll be the first to know and it's live.
14:33:27 Yeah.
14:33:41 EDC is looking mighty nimble these days. So, thanks, appreciate the work.
14:33:36 Oh, thanks for being so nimble yourself getting the contract to us so quickly that was helpful.
14:33:43 Yeah, yeah, we just need an invoice and you're off to the races.
14:33:49 Great. Hey. Well, back to it guys back to the work
14:33:58 so much. Thanks so much.
14:34:03 So, commissioners Is there anything else that you want, we want to go through our standing agenda items.
14:34:13 Weekly coven 19 discussion is there anything further we need to discuss today, coming on this morning. Did we wrap up the workshop discussion already.
14:34:35 I sent the list out to you guys. Okay. All right, I think.
14:34:29 I think the next step is for you all to take a, take a look at the list and spend a little time with it and then we'll move back around.
14:34:40 on the 14th we can take another word.
14:34:43 Yeah.
14:34:46 Anything on Kogut we want to go.
14:34:50 Yeah.
14:34:51 If we could start thinking about, you know, this is there's a bit of a chicken and egg thing here we are not at a place where we can have open public meetings we're operating
under both the governor's orders as well as our local emergency order to not
14:35:08 be meeting in person, but I'm trying to seed the conversation early so that if we want to head in a certain direction in terms of types of meetings or technology that we use
in meetings in the future that we're prepared to do that when the time comes.
14:35:25 So, I'm just want to tell you a little bit about the conversation we had in Friday's coordination meeting, and then have us talk briefly about the where we see our meetings
headed and what how we would like to conduct them in the future.
14:35:38 So we didn't get a lot of feedback from departments, folks didn't seem to concerns about needing to make major changes, that's in part because they, many of them don't hold
open public meetings.
14:35:52 And so they you know a lot of the challenges that we have are particular to having, you know the space for anybody in the public to come at any time during one of our meetings.
14:36:03 So the courts obviously are there are regulated differently and they will make their own decisions they plan to stay
14:36:12 a hybrid kind of virtual and hybrid.
14:36:15 They don't anticipate that changing, and sounds like WSU has. They before covered actually purchased an owl, which is actually kind of shape and size of an owl and hangs in
the middle of a room and can do directional voice microphones and cameras, they
14:36:35 have not really used it yet, it sounds like but it was the old system.
14:36:41 wsu extension. Oh, cool.
14:36:44 Yeah, so, has to income school has one too.
14:36:49 Yeah, that's what Port Townsend school district also uses so that might be a good thing for us to look into and see if people are happy with the performance of that.
14:37:00 So, sounds like, you know, didn't get a lot of feedback. I think one of the questions is, if we are going to invest in the technology to do hybrid in person and virtual meetings,
is the Chamber's sufficient or would we also want to connect to the first
14:37:17 floor conference room to have another room that has that capability.
14:37:24 Board of Health is going to be a tricky one because that room that we've previously met in is so small I really can't justify packing a lot of people in there, anytime soon
so that's another meeting that might need to move to a larger space, which again
14:37:38 could be the courthouse and I think there probably is some benefit to having two rooms set up for this just, you know, that when they're when it's needed more space and then
technology, and we're all if indeed we are you know in more disease prevalence
14:37:54 in the future. A lot of meetings at once you're going to want to have that capability. So Mike from the just the infection control we've had more public participation in our
voc meetings because it's online so I think preserving.
14:38:10 I'm really interested in a hybrid in solution for our meetings at least that that allows us to be in the same room and look at a piece of paper together, but also for someone
from, you know, Brandon or the West End participate with an internet connection
14:38:26 as easily as someone in Port Townsend.
14:38:31 Yeah.
14:38:33 Great, and that's that's probably going to take some investment in both equipment, and maybe some consulting as well there's Carolyn has done a great job of plumbing the depths
of kind of the knowledge of everybody in the county and other counties to
14:38:49 and it's, it's tricky to do well, there's a lot of really poorly held hybrid meetings.
14:38:57 The, for example the Association of Counties tried to do a couple meetings hybrid and there was just no point in attending virtually, it was, you know, they tend to either favor
virtual or in person.
14:39:23 people are working on that right now and we just we might need to be prepared to divert some funds to those upgrades.
14:39:24 That's all I had. But any other any other you Carolyn any, any input from your end.
14:39:34 No, you said a lot there that was good. Yeah, I'm still work we're going to have a new computer upgrade for my main recording computer, and which might have an integration with
zoom, at some point, but I know when we've had tried the hybrid a couple times
14:39:47 times, the audio was an issue so hope to be working with someone on that, you know, prior to us, starting with the hybrids.
14:39:57 Right. And that reminds me to that.
14:40:12 You know the BOC see we're actually, it's almost an easier type of meeting because it's, you know, a few of us at a day yes so it's easier to have cameras on us and microphones
on us we do most of the talking. But, you know, things like some of our advisory boards, where there's going to be much
14:40:17 where there's going to be much more participation from a larger group of people around you know a table say that's a whole lot trickier to have appropriate audio and visual
pointed you know to many different folks.
14:40:32 That's the advantage of all right it's voice activated and moves to the person that speaking so you can have one primary screen that has whoever's talking on it in real life.
14:40:42 So yeah, it's I think it's a, it would be a sound investment. I mean, I don't know how much they cost $10,000 then, I don't know, I'm guessing.
14:40:50 Well, and are they have a quality that's good enough for official business you know like the bar is pretty high for us we have to have, you know, very clear.
14:41:04 Audio at least.
14:41:06 So, want to be aware to have that but it has to meet up pretty high standard, which is my standard but yes you should we should be audible.
14:41:17 Sorry.
14:41:18 I would like.
14:41:20 I would, I don't know if there is such a thing. But I would like there to be some sort of like a liaison some kind of computer tech wizard that can see what we have that we're
operating with, and we tell them what we're looking for and have them integrate
14:41:33 this process and work with it but at this point I know who that might be but if you have any ideas, I'd love to hear him.
14:41:44 Well I've just been a Greg.
14:41:47 I just did a Google search for hybrid meetings and there's a company called the Hong Kong and they've got a platform called time live in it.
14:41:58 It's uniquely positioned to deliver end to end solutions for any virtual event and hybrid meeting options. so there are people out there that know that this is an issue and
that are you know they have a business model to address the need so right there
14:42:17 when I was
14:42:17 when I was talking to Avi capture stuff, they said that, you know, we recently had an upgrade so all of our audio equipment is pretty good. It just somehow we need like some
other integration for it to really come across through the recording.
14:42:31 And so he said if we were to go out to another company made most likely want us to buy their equipment, so there might be that we might have to end up buying new equipment.
14:42:46 the one I'm looking at is the one that German school district has so yeah that's just that's a speaker system right.
14:42:59 It's a camera, and speaker and microphone and microphone Yes,
14:43:07 sir question to have if we still need a be capture if we're doing zoom and in person, probably, I would say so only because at capture allows me to timestamp and take notes
and add that to the agenda which I think people find helpful.
14:43:23 They can skip the different parts of the video and just they want to see you can't do that with zoom right now. Now some days zoom has that that would be great.
14:43:30 But right now, in today's meeting on a be capture it. I think I might have to upload the zoom mp4 and replace at capture recording because I think it maybe we didn't work.
14:43:42 In that case, when I do that all the time stamps are gone.
14:43:46 And so the public will just have to you know take the bar and drag it across to the portion of video they want to see, it's not as convenient but it works for now.
14:43:56 Yeah, maybe.
14:43:59 And maybe, maybe captures a great research tool. If you try to remember what happened 14 months ago, you can go to AV capture and it's right there, you relive it
14:44:08 like Carolyn said those timestamps are very important because you don't spend time hunting for what you're looking for, you just hit the timestamp. And there we are.
14:44:18 I'd be happy to go with Carolyn to look for solutions that that might allow hybrid meetings but I feel like the legal question is one that we never got established really first
and shouldn't.
14:44:29 Before we start, you know, stalking, equipment up against each other I feel like knowing what we can do.
14:44:36 And what we're comfortable doing would be the first step.
14:44:42 What is your concern whether we will be allowed to do hybrid meetings in the future as part of.
14:44:58 In the past we've we've had, I don't know, I mean, when yeah I guess I, I remember several sort of confusing legal conversations when we talked about going to hybrid meetings
and I just want to have a clear understanding of what is our end goal of meeting
14:45:05 look like, so we can make sure to buy the hardware that informs the end goal rather than just buying hardware.
14:45:13 There are two bills in the legislature right now that are fast tracked to ensure that OPM a allows for hybrid virtual meetings, just closing some loopholes in.
14:45:24 Hope you have a language for this very purpose so I think that they are trying to address that at the state level.
14:45:31 Great.
14:45:35 Great. Okay, thank you. That was not my only my only coded.
14:45:39 Well that's that's a perfect segue segue to that legislative update. Next item OPM a bills, what other bills you know about Kate.
14:45:50 Yeah, let's see.
14:45:52 So just do kind of a quick laundry list and feel free to interrupt and ask for more information if you want I might not have a lot again I just jumped on the ones that I think
are of interest to us.
14:46:04 The, the bill which would allow for the kind of post fatality reviews of overdose and suicide is seems to be moving through.
14:46:15 It is timely having just lost a dear young person to overdose and says the kind of example of why why that exists to try to better understand why why we have that kind of death
in the community and what happened.
14:46:31 There's been a bill for a few years and legislature runs micro enterprise home kitchens and our friends at what self code, the public health organization, or against that, which
I think might be at odds with our position, but I'm not sure that it is going
14:46:50 to get much traction anyway but it's, it is an example of where our county wants some flexibility to do things a little bit differently.
14:47:00 Um, this is interesting, there's a bill in the House, which would require jurisdictions, not yes we would be included over 5000 people to to do a, an analysis of the cost of
fluoridation of drinking water.
14:47:20 And I'm not sure how many people the pod serve certainly would apply to city of Port Townsend, but this is a public health efforts to remove barriers to fluoridation of public
drinking water.
14:47:36 Um, let's see, there's been quite a bit of controversy you might have heard around the bill which has to do with nursing ratios and that's kind of heated up and unfortunate
hitting, nurses, the nurses union bill.
14:47:50 But our hospital providers here on the peninsula really don't like it, it requires certain staffing ratios for number of patients and they say we just don't we need a lot more
flexibility so really too bad it's been it's been kind of divisive in the community.
14:48:05 I'm not taking a position I just simply don't know enough about it but it's unfortunate to see nurses, and healthcare duking it out right now the time when we need all the help
we can get.
14:48:17 And 1845 is the bill which would provide grants for body cams, and the would be helpful if any of us have conversations with any of our legislative delegation to indicate that
we would really love to see that be retroactive for governments that have purchased
14:48:36 that last year to some timeline is we will be just missing the eligibility, as it's currently written that seems like a fairly easy amendments.
14:48:50 There's a very controversial bill I'm compassionate shelters, I don't know if you've heard about this, Greg but it requires counties to set up an operator emergency shelters,
with a lot of supportive services and included, so it becomes a requirement
14:49:16 it's only for jurisdictions over 50,000, but it is some concern that it is an unfunded mandate, it could require the Housing Trust Fund to one of the compromises is to require
the Housing Trust Fund to help support that but then people feel are worried
14:49:26 that it's going to be at odds with or you know take away from the pot for capital costs for permanent housing case does that mean that those supportive services have to be co
located with the shelter or, yes.
14:49:41 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's pricey and.
14:49:44 And it's not clear the way the bill is written now if those needs to be county owned and operated shelters, or that can be contracted out or in the faith based community.
14:49:55 And you, it has to be sufficient for the number of people identified as homeless and the point in time counts.
14:50:01 So, pretty high.
14:50:05 So if your accounts 250 you need to be able to house 250. Yeah. Yep.
14:50:11 won't work. I mean, that's crazy.
14:50:14 Yeah, well, good.
14:50:16 Good thing we're only 32,500 strong.
14:50:20 Yep. Yep, but it's going to be a real struggle for counties just a little bit bigger than us.
14:50:29 And you know, some counties might have it already, you know, they might, if you added up all of the shelters, you know, saying Collin County maybe they would have enough but
it's going to be a challenge.
14:50:39 I'm sorry.
14:50:39 I didn't mean interrupt I just wondering you know the number on that 158 6767. Okay, all in caps perspective this week.
14:50:49 Okay,
14:50:52 check mark Did you have another question on that one.
14:50:54 Mark Did you have another question on that one. Well if you do those co located services have to be located at every place you shelter that population. Right, that's another,
another question.
14:51:06 So, yeah, there's, it sounds like.
14:51:10 This is one of the bills that that they're trying to move through really quickly without it being well formulated, kind of like long term care you know where they had to suspend
it because he didn't think it through to begin with.
14:51:24 Yeah, yeah.
14:51:30 I'm Bill 1965 is the vets levy bill that is removing the veterans levy from, from the rest of the county levy it is moving through an amended.
14:51:39 It has not passed the last couple of sessions so there's not a ton of political support for it but counties generally are seem to be in support of it and I think we would as
well.
14:51:52 1799 that's the removing organic waste from the waste stream. One third of waste going into the landfills is is organic waste.
14:52:05 This would require weekly pickup of organics in dense census tracts.
14:52:13 So there are parts of our county I think that would would apply to we would be required to provide weekly input pickup curbside pickup of organics, which should be, you know,
pretty difficult for a jurisdiction, like ours.
14:52:33 It would that would that primarily be like Port Townsend, or Ludlow, you know, dense census tract what's the definition of, you know, I think it's 75.
14:52:41 people per square mile. I believe, and that's a number that's being used more and more. Although it's different in different bills.
14:52:49 But going for density. So, like for example unincorporated urban growth areas on their own are not required to provide this service but if they hit that density, then they would
be required.
14:53:04 And why SEC is opposed to this al Karen's feels like it's a very urban solution, whereas we could be doing things like encouraging home composting diverting waste food to the
needy, like he's identified many other ways that we could more cost effectively
14:53:24 be diverting organics from the waste stream so he's been helpful and some messaging there.
14:53:32 But it has a fair amount of support.
14:53:36 I'll just say I pick up food waste from cooker village every week. It's fantastic. You know, the farm loves it and they, you know, can get rid of their organic food waste in
a way that is, you know, sustainable and resilient instead of adding to the.
14:53:52 No, I guess I'm without that it's it feels like creating incentives, you know more carrots would be better than more sticks on this.
14:54:00 Yeah, and there's a lot of concern about if you took away you know if successful, you take away a third of what's going across our tipping scales, then we would lose a lot of
revenue, probably have to increase the cost for waste disposal, and then encourage
14:54:20 more dumping in the woods and roadside and. So, could be a number of unintended consequences from that also so glad that else engaged on that and that's one that, you know,
is a progressive county sometimes people assume that we would be in favor ovens,
14:54:38 but I'd be good if we were fairly consistent into saying we would like to incentivize other types of diversion because this is a really costly kind of impossible thing for us
to implement.
14:54:53 And there are a number of GMA bills that are moving through together there is a bit of a compromise to push together a few bills so that includes adding climate change, climate
change goal to growth management, as well as adding seminar recovery as a
14:55:08 goal and growth management, and with that comes the Lambert flexibility bill so it's bit of a compromise. But future wise is now in favor and supporting this package.
14:55:31 So, yeah. All three are moving together. We'll see if that coalition is able to stick together in US coalition there. Yeah. Yeah, it is.
14:55:36 And the ability bill is not as good as I would have hoped it's gotten watered down some so it's really mostly about utility service and lemons but that would, you know, potentially
help us and bring in but for example it wouldn't you know i mean i would
14:55:52 love to be able to see more density of housing and Chima come for you know workforce in the county and that's not on the table. Same with Kelsey and it's, you know, but step
in the right direction.
14:56:04 I'm sorry Kate would it still allow Lammers to be modified after their original inception, because that was that's a big limitation of them currently especially in quilting
where you know the glamour lines don't really make sense with the the natural
14:56:18 development.
14:56:20 Yeah, you know, I'm not sure there was a bill with the same sponsor that did allow that that you allowed you to look at patterns and and move the lines, and I'm not, I'm not
sure if that got folded into this one or not because it has been amended.
14:56:36 So I can't say for sure. Although I think actually that was a GM or a UGA then Lammers so we'll have to take a look at it I just know that it has it has changed.
14:56:48 I'm 5697 was that package recycling having manufacturers take responsibility, and that was killed kind of suddenly that's dead.
14:56:59 They must not have gotten some critical support and that got bold Friday while we were in LSC actually.
14:57:08 Um, there's a 1643 is exempting affordable housing from repeat.
14:57:15 And this has been controversial with assessors and treasurer's.
14:57:19 There's, there would be a covenant associated with that. So, some way of providing certainty of affordability and some question as to how long that should be.
14:57:31 So, I need to learn more from Stacy and Jeff on that they've kept me in the loop but it's complicated stuff so I'm hoping at some point they'll just say, thumbs up or thumbs
down that one.
14:57:44 hard to follow all the detail that they track.
14:57:49 Um, the 5868 is the point 209 point two nine to be used for affordable workforce housing.
14:57:57 That seems to be moving out a little bit surprising. I think people just think oh, how more housing great, but I think there is, you know, some of our partners have expressed
concern that, you know, spreading that money more thinly is is problematic we'd
14:58:13 rather have other dedicated sources for housing. And, you know, we have maximize that more than most counties have.
14:58:20 So, but if people have strong feelings about that I'm happy to, you know, consider whether we should have a stronger voice on that one. We are the voice of 1333 and I really
don't want to kill 1333 of the extension.
14:58:32 So I are so far the strategy has been to kind of keep quiet on it so that it doesn't blow back on 1333 at all.
14:58:41 Even the point oh nine is the most important so I support that strategy.
14:58:44 Yeah, and the fact that you can use it for affordable workforce housing doesn't mean you have to right.
14:58:51 Yeah, I can see we get pressure to though.
14:58:58 Yeah, sounds like we're in agreement to not not take a position on that, and deal with it if it comes fast.
14:59:06 Yeah.
14:59:11 Okay, I think that's right.
14:59:09 Okay.
14:59:11 Gotta stay strong where we are.
14:59:14 Stay strong and quiet sometimes.
14:59:18 Looks like there will be a transportation package. Not big, but you know it's been years and years since we've had one.
14:59:25 So this is just supplemental but a really good. You know, I think it's a, an effort to say, See we can actually get something done.
14:59:36 And Trouble is, it doesn't include anything for local funding.
14:59:41 So local government won't get anything out of it, it'll all be at the state level, so it doesn't do anything for crab, or SS tip I think I'm kind of surprisingly the bill to
phase out on year elections seems to be moving, and they see it as a you know
14:59:59 a way to save money if you are elections, but especially things like school districts are concerned about, you know, lumping so many issues on fewer ballots half as many ballots,
potentially, and that then kind of asks especially bonds and levies get
15:00:18 accumulated, and completed and so definitely concerns about that from last sack and support in the legislature so far.
15:00:36 5514 would allow boards of county commissions to meet outside of the county seats up to once a month, the more flexibility there would be kind of interesting to be able to do
more meetings elsewhere.
15:00:43 The Lorraine lemon spill the riparian bill was dead I think I mentioned that a couple weeks ago it was also surprisingly pulled due to lack of stakeholder support and hadn't
done the homework to get on board, and that the VSP bill that is moving is somewhat
15:01:04 a reaction to that so folks were upset that VSP was not more widely considered to be an alternative to the type of riparian management that the Loomis bill proposed
15:01:19 voluntary stewardship program.
15:01:21 We opted out of.
15:01:24 And of course the tribes and many, many folks feel that BSP is not working, it's not been sufficient and riparian protection. So, some controversy about, you know, whether that
is really inappropriate pathway or not, but Loomis is dead BSP likely to keep
15:01:43 moving.
15:01:44 So, we will have that likely have that before us to consider.
15:01:52 And I think that is all that I wanted to call out today.
15:01:58 That's a lot. Thanks for the recap.
15:02:02 Yes, thank you.
15:02:08 Now we have the miscellaneous items.
15:02:13 Anyone have miscellaneous items.
15:02:17 I have one that probably should just be talking to with staff first but I'll just throw it out there.
15:02:23 streetlights.
15:02:25 We do we pay for the power for some street lights in quilting right yeah we we paid for street lights throughout the county, particularly at intersections and whatnot.
15:02:38 And I've engaged with Kevin street reached out to me that there's a group in closing the name of which escapes me that approach, Kevin. I heard it.
15:02:51 Yeah, yeah.
15:02:54 And Kevin reached out to me and then I got with Monte, and we've agreed in principle to cover the cost of reigniting some of those lights. And so I think Kevin and Monte are
talking to each other about that.
15:03:08 Great.
15:03:09 So, Yeah, I think we may not
15:03:14 relate them all.
15:03:17 But certainly, we can study the light patterns, down there and determine which ones are more necessary and then than others, and then energize them and then the PD can send
us the bill, or we can split the bill with the pod, we're still sorting out the
15:03:31 details. That's great. And these particular lights are were community driven, like, you know, the community which man and some of them are, I think, at junctions that don't
have houses anymore so not all of them certainly need to be lit.
15:03:43 Yeah, yeah, exactly right and if it's at the end of a dead end street, you know. Yeah, we don't need, we don't need a light it. Great. Okay, well happy that's moving forward.
15:03:51 Thank you.
15:03:53 Is it, is it possible to convert any of those to led well that'll be part of the process. What we'll see what kind they are there the heat generating energy wasting lights then
certainly we can upgrade will get will recoup that investment fairly quickly.
15:04:11 Yeah. Okay, thank you. Thanks.
15:04:16 Yeah. That was a good one and the other miscellaneous items.
15:04:20 Maybe you have anything else I'm bringing it up because it'll already have been worked on.
15:04:26 That's perfect. No, I don't have anything else.
15:04:34 Yeah, you thought that was a curveball Huh, I did yeah why didn't I get a double. That was a double for sure.
15:04:38 Anything on calendar coordination, you met, we have mentioned a few things earlier but is there any
15:04:47 anything that anyone feels really stuck on this week.
15:04:57 Okay.
15:04:59 No, I will let Kate know that we don't quite have a forum yet for our housing fund board meeting so still trying to establish, you know, we need to offer electives to be there
so reaching out to again update from Amy Howard, just send me meeting here.
15:05:16 update from Amy Howard, just sent me a meeting here. She thinks she's yeah she thinks she can make it but she might be a little late, so she's late we've supposed to be starting
late.
15:05:26 Yeah.
15:05:27 Yeah, she said, Oh, I got it too but please just a few moments later, so perfect that oneself to enroll.
15:05:37 Yeah, we'll start talking about my personal problems here maybe they can all get addressed as well.
15:05:42 future agenda items, we've done a little bit of that today we're talking about workshops and I know that we've been putting things on the agenda planner I've been working with
Julie on that so i i don't know Does anyone have any topics that they'd like
15:05:58 to see on the agenda in the next four weeks that we didn't talk about in the workshop phase are, you know, having partners in you know I had spoken with Conservation District
and when Lorraine Loomis act was still alive and kicking I was more motivated
15:06:14 to get them to come in and share the ag perspective on that but, um, I would love to have Conservation District, you know, as well as he goes through their director search and
everything I mean just getting our partners into to share what's up I think
15:06:28 we're usually end up having, you know, 30 minutes 40 minutes at the end of most meetings that we could fit in a little bit more.
15:06:37 Just kind of touching base with our partners without necessarily needing to get to a place, and I think I appreciate that. I mean not fallen out of the park because I've already
talked to Joel Trump he is working on finalizing his five year strategic
15:06:49 plan and he's going to come as soon as his board approves it, or you know as soon as we get it scheduled so cool already. It's good I crypt some of their verbiage on on climate
change to suggest to the Jefferson transit has a strategic plan, I thought
15:07:04 it was good too so I asked him and becoming presented to us.
15:07:09 For sugars I got an email from Cliff more last week. He's enjoying retirement, and he's making me salivate.
15:07:19 But he mentioned that the recruitment process for WC extension director is going to pick up speed that all the approvals, you know, through from the bureaucracy, are in hand.
15:07:30 And so I just sent him an email, promoting Heidi is a member of the search committee and also mentioned that she has a local farmer that is interested in participating as well
I got an out of the office reply from him.
15:07:44 Apparently he's on a tour of the state, and is going to have intermittent access to email.
15:07:51 Okay. Well, he'll be back on the 15th and I hope to have a email from him shortly afterwards. Great.
15:08:11 Ever for each coordinator.
15:08:03 And I already told you that so
15:08:09 hope they stick and stay for a while.
15:08:11 Yeah, can really add some drag to progress.
15:08:20 Go ahead, Mark.
15:08:22 Yeah, the WC director position has been a high turnover position I, I hope we get somebody that'll stick with us for a decade or more.
15:08:35 Just looking through my notes but I don't see anything else to share.
15:08:42 I've got another one that I should probably talk about staff first ball run about three here. I haven't had several conversations with another community that probably is going
to make a suggestion, make a petition as to add a no shooting zone, and they're
15:08:56 also really concerned about some of the impacts of out of town folks over holiday weekends where you know their community park is just taking over and trashed.
15:09:07 Do we have like block party ordinance, like they have in Seattle, at least when I live there were a community could for a party shut down a county road for a day.
15:09:20 Typically you need a road closure permit. Okay.
15:09:24 You know I'm familiar with that down south park County, but I I would imagine we have a similar process here but I would have to confirm that with staff.
15:09:36 And in my time here. Yeah, the city and jurisdictions will have a streamlined process for community events like a block party I've never heard of one or seen a special events,
special that permits often come through our office and not seen that.
15:09:59 I'm not sure if they've ever had to close the intersection and had luck for had luck days.
15:10:00 Yeah, it's part of an event thing you can get road clothes I guess I've done that for the quilting fair before we did a road closure on, on the highway So, but it's it's pretty
limited time you have to have law enforcement support there the whole time
15:10:14 so it's it's a little different than a neighborhood you know shutting down their material road for an afternoon for a party with no government officials and representatives
Oh, yeah, there's their side, side streets it's easier than if it's a, you know,
15:10:29 a main road or a collector. Yeah.
15:10:32 Okay, well, that answers my question. Bad and thousand today that's I mean maybe not the answer I wanted.
15:10:39 Okay, sorry games over