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09:00:11 Sunday, maybe you go. Oh, but this morning testing with the audio sitting here somehow, Maybe capture is working so i'm going to run and get a surgical mask because of this
one that's plugged up too much
09:00:54 We've been mining everybody they're all clear.
09:00:59 They just threatening it on their mouth. We have our masses on today because our Covid rate meter is up to high involvement out during the weekend.
09:01:15 Anyway. Call this April 18 2,022 meeting of the Jefferson County Board of Commissioners to order anyone.
09:01:24 Tell you I can't hear you healthcare is that better.
09:01:45 No, no, It's red as it's muted testing testing having our normal Monday morning technical checks here.
09:02:00 Using food is okay. it's worth being fabulous Okay, good morning.
09:02:19 We have confirmed that we have audio, and I will again call this April the eighteenth, 2,020.
09:02:26 2 meeting of the Jefferson County Board of Commissioners to order.
09:02:28 Good morning, everybody. as I said when we were coming in this morning, I did not do as much homework.
09:02:35 I didn't spend all day sunday reading so because it was your birthday.
09:02:42 Yeah, i'm over the hill now and happy to be on this side of the hill.
09:02:46 I'm gonna be in a sprint now I guess so as we do every Monday morning we'll start with public comments.
09:02:56 If you are on zoom, and would like to make a comment this morning, please use the raise hand button at the bottom of the screen, as you should know by now.
09:03:07 We are back to hybrid meetings for the time being, and we have one member of the public here with us this morning.
09:03:12 Thank you for joining us. it's fun to have a live body in the room with us.
09:03:18 So if you would like to make public comment use the raise hand button at the bottom of the screen or press star 9 on your phone.
09:03:31 If you're on the phone and i'll just separate can you remind me how I sure all of my leave computer audio all together.
09:03:35 Right. Yeah, I hope. Thank you. I don't not seeing hands audio will make comments that I can wait to see.
09:03:48 Okay, great. I am not sure how to see the come through the pairs. And yeah, there's nobody with the answer.
09:04:01 Okay, Great? Well, Gordon has his hand raised in the audience here, Gordon, come on up to the Mic.
09:04:10 You'll have 3Â min for public comment. we'd love to hear what you have to share with us. This morning.
09:04:16 Okay. I was looking for the read, and great greener so Yes, I'm Gordon King, 4645 Bell Street, Townsend.
09:04:27 I just thought it'd take the opportunity today. to come to an actual in-person commission.
09:04:35 This meeting. i've done a lot of zoom meetings over the last 2 years, and they're good but they don't compare to being at a meeting in person with the various participants I
have worked with all 3
09:04:52 Commissioners on the Marine Resource Committee, Gibson County Marion Resource Committee, so I know that they are committed.
09:04:59 To water quality, and then the other part for me perspective is aquaculture, and I without high water quality.
09:05:12 We're not going to have a successful shellfish agriculture industry in Jefferson County.
09:05:18 That's very important, particularly for some parts of the county I think Greg's constituency more than perhaps the other Commissioners.
09:05:25 But I know all of them, too. bunch of jobs in Jefferson County come from agriculture and has done for over a 100 years.
09:05:34 And then, of course, shellfish has been an important part of this area for thousands of years, and and just gonna ask some of the tribal members what shellfish mean to them.
09:05:47 And though tell you that maybe it's not 7 but try it up there, and it's all year round, it's not just when the salmon are running, and so in kate I know, Commissioner Dean I
know that you understand farming,
09:06:03 and the importance of making regulations that protect the environment but don't shut down farming, so I just wanted to come here and bring that up and and see all 3 of you and
person.
09:06:19 So. thank you very much. Thanks, Barton. Nice to see you in person.
09:06:24 Anybody with their hands raised in the first one. Are there people in there?
09:06:32 Okay, Okay, great. good morning. Everyone who's not making a comment
09:06:39 Well, we have one comment, to respond to who would like to respond first i'll respond first, since it's great to see you, Gordon.
09:06:46 It's nice to Kate says have people here with us you know It's it's it's real, and it's nice. So thank you for being here and I am concerned of course, about a culture.
09:06:59 And that the healthy healthy waters make aquaculture possible, and actually going out this week with the reporter. Who's who's concerned about some dieoffs in and discovery
Bay and and I was gonna reach out
09:07:11 to the Mrc. I'll reach out to you in case You're free, and touch base with you.
09:07:14 But love to have someone with some subject matter expertise join us as we go out there and and and look at the evidence that is supposedly right, and for us that I haven't seen
yet so good to hear from you appreciate the support
09:07:27 And yeah, let me know if if you want to make time on with our for a field trip. appreciate it.
09:07:34 Thanks, great! you just let me know i'll shoot you know Let's see.
09:07:43 I've been spending some time thinking about this issue recently. and for a few reasons, one of which I just got back from Washington, Dc.
09:07:53 But headed there next month repeated sound day on the hill with tribal leaders and meeting with our congressional delegation.
09:08:01 And it's it's always very powerful to meet with members of Congress, with tribal leaders who they have a very different relationship with, and they have to uphold and respect
treaty rights.
09:08:13 So been giving that some thought also visited the museum of the American Indian in Dc.
09:08:19 Just a few days ago. and We have a great exhibit on the fish wars in the Seventys, and that was that was fascinating to read about.
09:08:27 So just been kind of you know, Reopening my my knowledge of the legal frameworks.
09:08:39 I certainly share the concerns about the economic frameworks and the importance on all levels.
09:08:44 Spiritual health, wise of water quality, but but also profound legal commitment that we have to
09:08:50 You a resource that is, for all to share, and that we actually only have right to about half of but and and then, of course, county has little oversight over state, much more
so so
09:09:04 That they can about this, and I would love to hear if you have specific concerns, Gordon, or particular policies that you're thinking about.
09:09:11 But and then, you know, I always have to admit that i'm allergic to shellfish, which is my greatest shortcoming.
09:09:18 So, but somehow, y'all put up with me anyway, no thank you I would just add that, as I think you all know, I am very motivated by commercial fishing, my I grew up in a commercial
fishing family and still have a
09:09:35 lot of peers who are some of the last commercial vision people that travel from year to Alaska to do the summer seasons up in southeast Alaska.
09:09:49 Big part of my identity and my community. I know the importance of clean water for our shellfish industry, but also for improving the regulations around the salmon runs in our
region, and have been actively working on removal of the
09:10:07 Lower Snake River dams spoken an event last week, posted by savor Wild salmon who's organizing around that you issue actively right now and care deeply about our marine resources
both from the
09:10:23 environmental side and from the economic side and from the dinner plate side.
09:10:29 So. thank you for being here. gordon I appreciate it, and i'd love to go out and field with you and Greg, but that would be a quorum, and that would be not allowed so any other
hands raised in the zoom
09:10:43 room, Carolyn, or is she now? Okay, Patricia Jones will be first in the middle.
09:10:51 Okay, we're gonna bring you over patricia you'll have 3Â min for public comment, and we look forward to hearing what you have to share with us today.
09:11:04 Good morning, Commissioners. Thank you so much. Want to share with you.
09:11:12 Really my great appreciation for being involved in several conversations.
09:11:16 One with Commissioner, Brother Tun, and with Commissioner Eisenhower.
09:11:20 This past 2 as we try together to chart this path forward, balancing the interests of our county services and junior taxing districts and our environmental landscape. The Olympic
force coalition is working from the
09:11:37 principle that we'd want to see no loss revenue or any late revenue to the junior taxing districts.
09:11:43 It seems, in our work together this past week we have some ideas and some promising opportunities before us in reconvancing, Considering land, Swaps Trust land transfer, we
met with Commissioner Brotherton and Peter Goldman an attorney for
09:12:02 the Washington Forest Law Center, and learned quite a bit more clarifying information about reconvenience which I hope to share with you in written form and with Commissioner
Eisenhower.
09:12:14 A really wonderful example, much smaller scale, but wonderful example. from kitsap where they're actually generating revenue as well as volume for a timber volume for local
mills.
09:12:24 So really nothing more of substance this morning other than i'm grateful for being able to walk this path with with you.
09:12:32 Thank you. thank you pinteresta that's the exceptionals. So i'm gonna do your carolyn you'll need to accept panelists to make comment.
09:12:47 Okay. Good morning, Mr. Tears. You have 3Â min for public comment.
09:13:01 Oh, good morning, Commissioners staff. I was just noticing on your agenda later this morning you're gonna be considering some petitions regarding no shooting areas.
09:13:13 In your agenda packet, though there was not a copy of the actual petitions, as hoping that when the time comes for you to deliberate on those petitions, you could maybe show
those on the screen.
09:13:27 So we could see what the petitioners are asking for, and their reasons for requesting the no shooting areas not opposed to him.
09:13:33 I just would like to to see what the actual petition language was.
09:13:38 Second thing, the recent audit report that came out against the county, or sorry regarding the county. Of course it's concerning all those discrepancies and the losing track
of a 1,000,000 or So dollars.
09:13:55 My question, and I hope we could get some explanation about this is county's been spending hundreds of thousands of dollars converting to a new software system to deal with
accounting and to you know track with bars more
09:14:10 closely, and all that stuff. Then I don't understand in detail.
09:14:13 But I would like to have an explanation as to why we spent all this money on new software, and yet the the finances are so completely untracked or inaccurately.
09:14:26 Tracked, I guess, is a better way of putting it.
09:14:29 So, if not necessarily today. But if at some point the county could report to the public as to what was going on there,
09:14:37 In more detail than just saying, Well, there was a lack of internal controls.
09:14:41 I think that would be helpful to understanding the situation. and avoiding perhaps, some undue criticism in any case. I'd appreciate hearing an explanation at some point.
09:14:54 Thanks very much. thank you, Mr. Chair. so I Think we'll be able to provide you with a response to much of that today.
09:15:01 Any other hands up in the zoom room, Carolyn.
09:15:04 Anyone else on zoom. wishing to make public comment, use the raise hand button at the bottom of the screen or press star 9.
09:15:10 If you're on the phone, anyone else out there Okay, we will respond to that additional 2 comments we received starting at the other end of the diets.
09:15:25 Here grade. Would you like to go first? Sure to Miss Jones? Thank you for the note.
09:15:30 Thank you for the conversation with Peter yesterday. you know it's were it's It's a balance right right Now we're looking for possible solutions.
09:15:39 I look forward to the conversation, and heidi's been doing some, some digging on that.
09:15:46 And yeah, you know I think it's just it it seems like the time to stand up and and and state our values, and I think that we've done that, and how, it will wash out is still
to be seen.
09:15:57 But I I think it's an important conversation and I appreciate Miss Jones and and Peter Goldman, and you know, Mallory Weinheimer, and all the other people that are contributing
to this conversation and if you have
09:16:07 a perspective in the public I encourage you to share, because this is a big conversation that impacts our entire county, especially on our rural denizens who are who are living
adjacent.
09:16:17 And around these these these properties to Mr. Tiers. the the petitions are pretty generic.
09:16:25 I don't have an issue necessarily with sharing them I think there we create the basic petition form.
09:16:30 I'm a little scupptical about putting everyone's name up there.
09:16:34 I guess public, but I don't know we could have a conversation about that, you know.
09:16:39 Usually when we have the hearing most of the people that sign the petition will come out.
09:16:43 If that's the choice we take which we have historically done in in my time here.
09:16:48 But yeah, happy to have a conversation about that, and see what the most transparent way to approach this would be while still protecting.
09:16:59 Folks privacy and then as to the audit and you know I think we're we're crafting a statement. I don't want to get too far into a guy.
09:17:12 We'll say that the the new software the transition was a huge capacity dream on the treasure and otters, auditors, departments, and others.
09:17:22 And give me the look. If you want me to stop talking, Mark.
09:17:25 Well, So the audit report was for calendar year, 2,020, and Munis.
09:17:31 Our new financial system went live this year or i'm sorry in 2,021 during the summertime.
09:17:37 I think June the first and so we haven't seen the benefits of that in an audit report yet. and so, when they come back and audit 2,021, we should see a much cleaner audit report
right I mean addressing this kind of
09:17:50 issue was was a big part of the Munis conversion.
09:17:53 In the first place, correct? Well, having 2 systems where we have to download and upload and their timing problems.
09:18:02 And that contributed to the issue. Okay, But yeah, I think that we are absolutely committed to solving this.
09:18:07 The actions work that we proposed. the corrective actions were accepted by the State auditors office.
09:18:13 So we're we're moving forward and we'll have more to communicate, to try to make the errors clear right, and the board added an fte in the treasurer's office to with this for
everything mark do we
09:18:24 anticipate a response from the Auditors office or Yeah, I'm working with Stacey and Rosanne to craft a more in-depth response to the press articles and to the comments made
today
09:18:38 thank you great that's man Okay, i'm glad to hear I would also love to see that response.
09:18:47 And I think the the public would have appreciated as Well, let's see in terms of the petitions that Mr.
09:18:56 Tearsh brought up. I think it they are public documents. and so, if there's a request to see them, I think we should honor that be it's pretty clear when those are signed hopefully,
whoever is proposing them that that this
09:19:14 is something that is public, and goes before the Commissioners. so I think we have something of a duty to present those when requested.
09:19:24 This is obviously a more public setting than a records request.
09:19:26 But and so I think it would be valuable to honor it.
09:19:35 To Miss Jones. i'm i'm glad that we have 2 great commissioners working on this issue.
09:19:40 It's a little tricky when multiple commissioners get involved with something, but I I think that we all share a desire to see a another way of doing things, and I have to say
we've been getting a lot of response from around the
09:19:54 state about how our position is referring and hasn't been kind of presented before in a formal way to Dnr. which seems kind of crazy to me.
09:20:05 Like we can't be the only one saying really is clear cutting The only option.
09:20:09 Are we really going to pick schools against, You know, forestry when living in a time of awareness of climate change?
09:20:17 And so just just interesting to get that feedback and You know, I think we have squarely put ourselves in a position of trying to figure this out as a rural timber county.
09:20:31 How how we might present that we do this better and differently so i'm excited by that.
09:20:36 I think that is the mandates that you know being in public office right now is asking of us.
09:20:44 So. just let me know how I can chip in and and help out, and i'm curious to work with Warsack, and at the State level to see if there's you know where there's opportunity you
know the risk is that we are the only county that is
09:20:59 interested in rethinking this system and so we're gonna have to build some support.
09:21:03 But i'm energized by it and appreciate the the public's involvement, and in nudging us in that direction.
09:21:13 That's all for me on on ms jones comments I would just say yes, i've been talking with we're pursuing talking with each county that is done reconvenience to understand how they've
09:21:30 enabled that in their county, and we did have a long, sess work session with Arno from kids at county use the Forester for Kidsab County to talk about their reconvenience of
Dnr Lands to get that
09:21:42 county. it's clear to me that each instance of using reconvenience solution will be as different as night and day.
09:21:52 But understanding the core underlying kind of considerations that have to be considered, is really key, and we got a lot of great information out of that with him.
09:22:05 Also i've been working with our assessor and our treasure on understanding the specific potential tax district implications of the Beaver Valley sorts sale just using that one
timber sale that we appear to have shown a bright
09:22:21 light on at a regional and state level, using that one timber sale as a as a study.
09:22:29 For how the impacts to taxing districts. what they would look like.
09:22:35 And then also, my next step is to follow up in conversation with some of the finance managers at each of those what at the school district and the fire districts, to understand
kind of how they budget for d in our timber sale
09:22:52 revenue in their budgets when it's so inconsistent.
09:22:56 So how do they consider that inconsistency in budgeting for a certain number of students showing up each year, or a certain number of you know, fire fire response stuff.
09:23:09 So lots of work going on there, and to Mr. Tears.
09:23:15 I think the no shooting zone the reason that the petitions weren't on the agenda this week is that we're just trying to understand kind of the the options we have in terms of
designating those shooting zones and
09:23:28 then we will bring the full agenda for each of those 3 shootings on proposals to future agendas.
09:23:37 That was my understanding. I have not been part of a no shooting zone petition.
09:23:41 As a commissioner. I have been part as a resident of the community when the no shooting zone went in around Chimnequin Creek, where I grew up.
09:23:51 So I look forward to those conversations, and I appreciate staff kind of slowing this down a little bit to get us all on the same page, and understanding what our options are
as commissioners and considering no shootings zones and on
09:24:05 the audit report. I was just gonna say, What Mark just said is that the audit report was for 2,020.
09:24:13 Our team has been in the midst of upgrading to Munis from 2 separate systems to 1 one combined system.
09:24:21 So I'm not as confident that the 21 books will have their own challenges, because that was our transition year.
09:24:28 But I know that it's because we're working in the right direction, and we're all pulling in the same direction.
09:24:35 Well, i've been using that long longboat metaphor a lot lately.
09:24:39 So I think that's that's it and my response to the public cons this morning.
09:24:46 Anything you want to add, mark other than what you added on the audit.
09:24:50 No. Okay. any. What time is it any more folks raising their hands?
09:24:56 Last call for public comments. See any hands go up okay i'm gonna close public comment for today. and it's 925.
09:25:11 Yep, we'll have Dr. Barry Genius at 9 45.
09:25:17 So Hi, Gordon, Thanks for showing up in person we appreciate it.
09:25:22 We're gonna consider the consent agenda for today?
09:25:24 Is there anything that anyone wants to call out on the consent agenda?
09:25:28 It's another not so long but meaty consent agenda, you know.
09:25:34 I couldn't get into number 4 on the consent agenda couldn't click on the link.
09:25:42 You mean there was like a dead link and if I look at the list under the related docs.
09:25:48 There's not a number 4 listed so do you want to hold that one, and well, I like to see it before unless is it time critical?
09:25:57 We could. Does anyone know it? The details? on the school-based mental health services, amendment contract amendment? I was able to open it last night.
09:26:09 But Yeah, but i'm not able to right now, although my computers acting up, he will be annoying it to, so you can review it.
09:26:19 Okay, so should we pull it for now, and maybe bring it on later this afternoon, or something.
09:26:26 That sounds good. When we make the motion we can do that.
09:26:29 I like like seeing the shoreline, the Shoreline Info guide getting getting funded for that.
09:26:35 I know that Director Butler has been talking about that quite a bit because we can, you know, get an smp updated, and it'll be, you know.
09:26:43 It's great to have it funded so we can create that informational item for the public.
09:26:48 It's only that's that's you know transparency, and i'm fully in favor. it's good to see if I could pull up click and set agenda I would probably have something to come into
but everything
09:27:02 is here stuck. yeah So always appreciate folks re-upping for advisory boards and stepping up.
09:27:13 So let's see a number of those otherwise fairly standard business i'll move that we pull number 4 item number 4.
09:27:25 The school-based mental health services, agreement amendment, until we can get a copy of it, and that we approve and adopt the rest of the consideration agenda as presented.
09:27:36 I will second all in favor. Hi aye, not opposed passes unanimously.
09:27:44 Okay, basically, all the nazis it's nice explanations.
09:27:54 Yeah, proclamations hope those links work nobody has to have in trouble with network. Now, did you have to log in again today?
09:28:08 I did. Yeah, I intentionally restarted and yeah that's key.
09:28:13 Yeah, So can you not see it's slowly. Okay, I got it?
09:28:19 Okay, so we'll start with the earth day proclamation perfect.
09:28:24 I would just add that it was 52 years ago, and I turned 51 yesterday.
09:28:28 I was like when I read this proclamation. i'm like I've never lived without earth day.
09:28:34 So would you like to start? Okay, I would love to. Whereas the first Earth day was enacted 52 years ago in 1,970, and engaged over 20,000,000 Americans to advocate for cleaner
for a cleaner environment and as an
09:28:46 international call to positive action for all citizens to join a global effort to protect the environment.
09:28:53 And whereas all people, regardless of race, gender income, religion, or geography, have a moral right to a healthy environment, and earth day is celebrated annually to recommit
to the goals of a healthy environment as foundational to
09:29:06 peaceful, just, and sustainable societies; and whereas Jefferson County, Washington is blessed with a wealth of wild and productive forests, fields, mountains, and shorelines,
stewarded by indigenous people since
09:29:19 time and memorial, and to this day provide residents and visitors alike with healthy food, irreplaceable habitat, and species, sustainable, natural resources, and many scenic
recreational opportunities, whereas
09:29:34 in 2,007, Jefferson County and the city of Port Townsend, committed to creating a baseline of greenhouse gas emissions, reducing grass, greenhouse gas emissions by 80% of 1,990
09:29:45 levels, jointly creating a Climate Action Committee to recommend actions for climate change, mitigation, adaptation, and raise awareness of how the changing a changing climate
affects our region, and whereas the mission of the climate action committee is in
09:29:59 alignment with the focus of international Earth Day, 2,022 observation and celebration around the world.
09:30:05 And whereas the Climate Action Committee recently updated the county white greenhouse gas inventory demonstrating a 40% reduction in a mission since 2,005.
09:30:17 And whereas local governments can be leaders in building a healthy society by addressing issues such as energy, resource, conservation, transportation, a sustainable land use,
planning, waste prevention and environmental justice and whereas we
09:30:30 acknowledge the importance of Earth Day as a reminder that in Jefferson County Earth day is every day.
09:30:39 Now, therefore, in recognition of our communities, deeply held care for and collective responsibility to preserve and protect our environment.
09:30:47 The Jefferson County Board of County Commissioners, hereby her claims.
09:30:49 April the twentieth, 2,022 as international Earth day, and encourage all residents to commit to lowering their carbon footprint and engaging in efforts to protect and heal.
the planet.
09:31:01 We called home we call home, approved At the eighteenth day of April, the twentieth 22.
09:31:07 I will move to approve the proclamation as read.
09:31:10 Second, all in favor. aye yeah it's earth day in a few days.
09:31:17 All right, Then we have another proclamation not unrelated.
09:31:27 Declaring this week of as National Park Week. Okay, do you want to start this time?
09:31:35 Yeah, I wanted to look over your shoulder time loading, whereas National Park Week is a time to explore amazing places and discover stories of history and culture.
09:31:49 Parks across the county will host a variety of special programs, events and digital experiences.
09:31:54 And whereas, with over 400 national parks across the country, National Park Week is a great time to discover a new part, learn more about parks and enjoy their natural beauty;
and whereas National Park Week is a wonderful time to celebrate the work
09:32:09 done by National Park Foundation, and our partners to ensure parks thrive and spark wonder for generations to come.
09:32:15 And whereas the National Park Foundation is committed to connecting people of all identities to the adventures, lessons, and experiences that national parks offer, and whereas
the National Park Foundation employs through service court crews let's
09:32:31 do a considerable amount of work and tooth. 2,021 service corps crews built, restored, and maintained over 800 miles of trails, and planted more than 60,000 trees and other
plant species the since 2018
09:32:47 the National Park Foundation has supported more than 130 service corps crews, and whereas national parks belong to all of us, and it's important that we feel welcome.
09:32:55 And safe when we visit them. National park foundations, park ventures, program addresses, obstacles that hinder communities from having full and enduring connections parks.
09:33:06 Now, therefore, in recognition of our communities, deeply health care for and collective responsibility to preserve and protect our environment, The Jefferson County Board of
County Commissioners hereby proclaims April the Twentieth 6 excuse me
09:33:19 April the sixteenth to 20, fourth, 2,022 as National Park Week, and encourage all residents to enjoy their national parks.
09:33:27 Parks across the country will host a variety of special programs, events and digital experiences.
09:33:31 Entrance fees are waved on April the sixteenth to kick off National Park Week.
09:33:36 Approve this eighteenth day of april and I'd like to make a special call out to our very own national Park.
09:33:43 The Olympic National Park, a place I like to get to as often as I can.
09:33:50 Ok. do proclamation. I will move to approve the proclamation.
09:33:56 Second all in favor. aye take a look at that item number 4.
09:34:10 So we're just going to take a look at that item we pulled from consent.
09:34:14 Here we go. You want projected or that may be good since we didn't have it on that. I I didn't see it.
09:34:32 Minds that coming up. you can make me panelists.
09:34:37 No, not at all. just a language change. It looks like Well, the amount of sales tax was lower than anticipated.
09:35:28 Right had heard about this in a meeting, which is why I thought I had read it.
09:35:33 But when is it applicable when there's we're having to reduce service?
09:35:54 Is that right? So it's so e sd willing to fund the the gap from I was through 2023 June 30.
09:36:14 If the sales tax revenue decreases, the Osc will be contacted in contact like maybe renegotiated.
09:36:20 I think it was really renegotiated to offer less service.
09:36:24 Right. So not sure how this intersects with the decision made by the Behavioral Health Advisory Committee last week.
09:36:33 But we did I am chair of the Behavioral Health Advisory Committee, and we did boat to allocate, and additional tranche of funding due to increased sales, tax revenue for the
remainder of this
09:36:50 contract period. But that's not related to this agenda item. So if there's a reduction not doesn't say there's a reduction that says just as the word went applicable right yeah,
I think that's it
09:37:05 once is a deep, the decreased amount we're seeing we're seeing sales, taxes increase.
09:37:12 Yeah, So I just don't understand let's go to scope we could ask Veronica for clarification.
09:37:21 I'm getting dizzy. Sorry scope of work so it would be good to know what the original sales tax amount was in this agenda request.
09:37:34 I think, because the decrease amount is 1 99, 1, 38, not seeing a line and mine out by the going to.
09:38:06 So one flip business I didn't get it when you got it?
09:38:11 Oh, yeah. But I like to be able to scroll around myself right fourth mark.
09:38:17 Sure we don't try what does it do what's the decrease it.
09:38:34 Says it. Thank you. getting real-time updated information for anyone out there in the public who's watching.
09:38:50 We are just taking the time because we have it to try and understand more about this issue or the Zoom information.
09:39:14 Looking into It looks like a have the ability to like your Okay, it's gonna do that.
09:39:35 Yeah, the change has to do with the clinical supervisor being available to provide weekly clinical and supervisory oversight.
09:39:43 All other terms of conditions remain the same. so there's no reduction in funding, however, they are clarifying that if sales tax revenue decreases, then we might have to renegotiate
that's, at the
09:39:58 top, and just as a reminder Oesd was brought on as the oh, the managing or the administrative party to oversee all the school-based deployment of the school needs mental health
program support funds
09:40:15 that we allocate for those services. in the last year.
09:40:22 They were brought on this. the administrator in the last year item, 2 in the amendment makes it clear what the amendment is supposed to accomplish.
09:40:33 It just repeats what was in the agenda request.
09:40:40 Take this opportunity to restart my computer. So we might not have clinical supervision every week.
09:41:12 Is what this is right, and I don't know who determines when it's applicable.
09:41:21 Probably the Olympic educational district that's how I Read it. Stop sharing Key to moment again, and then you get a chance to go.
09:41:51 You're able to send it that way. I believe so yeah it sounds, and I think this is a wording change with the subcontracts to the school districts.
09:43:10 We can, Spinoza. So what? what remaining questions do you just confirming?
09:43:21 What the changes, but they, The original contract, is attached.
09:43:24 No change other than what's in the amendment right but it says a men's original sales tax revenue amount in the decreased amount of 199138 so one question was we were wondering
what
09:43:37 the decrease was about. we could ask for anyone to join us later, too.
09:43:49 Yeah. Well, the total amount of the contracts 199, 1, 38, as it say, the amounts been reduced and the agenda right, and the agenda consent.
09:44:05 Agenda. Item 4. It says if sales tax revenue decreases.
09:44:16 Someone else said that there's just a many return that we there's no, that's what I thought that's what I got in service.
09:44:33 Let's say the language in i'd say the language in the the description of item, 4 is misleading this. yeah, it should say in the amount of 199. not in the decreased amendment
so do we want
09:44:57 to that explanation. approve this item I have a motion. Sure i'll move to approve item number 4 on the consent agenda, which is previously pulled regarding school-based mental
health services contracted with
09:45:13 Oesd second, all in favor. Aye, thank you.
09:45:19 Good timing. Yep, hey? it looks like we're at 9, 45, and we should be joined shortly by Dr.
09:45:29 Barry and hopefully, Willie. Events too. Okay. Great. Hi! Everyone nice to see you.
09:45:46 Good morning. Dr. Barry and Willie call our colleagues.
09:45:52 The steam colleagues. Well, so, moving into the Covid 19 update, we are seeing that case rates are rising nationwide at this point, primarily driven by case rates in the northeast
and now also in
09:46:08 the midwest as Well, We're also starting to see case rates rides in the West coast, particularly in Washington and California.
09:46:16 At this point. one hopeful sign that we are seeing is, while we are seeing case rates rise throughout the country.
09:46:23 We have not yet seen a rise in hospitalizations or debts.
09:46:26 The and those actually continue to down trend. At this point we are seeing some of the lowest rates that we have seen in quite some time when it comes to hospitalizations and
deaths.
09:46:35 I do want to always remind folks we are still seeing quite a few debts due to Covid. 19.
09:46:40 We're seeing 500 deaths per day in the United States, and an average bad flu season.
09:46:45 We see between 30 and 80 deaths per day so it's still quite a bit more than we would generally see from other infectious diseases.
09:46:52 But it's down quite a bit from where we were in the past in Washington.
09:46:57 We are also seeing case rates. we're seeing case rates start to rise initially.
09:47:02 That started in the I 5 corridor but we're now seeing it in our area, and we're starting to see it trend into the east side of the mountains as well.
09:47:10 We are definitely at a point where our case, rates are being quite a bit affected by what's called case ascertainment, which is our ability to detect those cases as so many
of us have moved to home testing that's really
09:47:24 affecting the ability of different counties to detect those cases in the I.
09:47:29 5 quarter. They have very good case ascertainment, and so do we.
09:47:33 In Jefferson County we have an online forum where people can submit if they've had a positive home test
09:47:40 And really our community is doing that. so we're doing a really good job of detecting the cases that we have in our community.
09:47:46 But different parts of our State are doing better or worse at that.
09:47:49 In Column County. We are just this week debuting the ability to submit a positive home test online at our Covid 19 website.
09:48:00 And so We're hoping that that will help us pick up more of our cases in Clown County, and we think that is driving some of the difference, not just between our 2 counties, but
really across the State.
09:48:10 There are many parts of the state that use exclusively antigen tests, and that is, and those are rarely reported, especially on the east side of the State.
09:48:21 So it's starting to limit our ability to assess the number of cases.
09:48:23 But in Jefferson I do think we still have a good sense of how many cases we have in our community.
09:48:28 So in Jefferson County our case rates, our total cases are 3,295.
09:48:35 That puts our case rate at 270 cases per 100,000.
09:48:40 So we are in that high risk zone where we strongly recommend masking in indoor spaces, regardless of your vaccination status.
09:48:49 Our percent positivity is also up at 8.5%.
09:48:50 We fortunately have no one in the hospital for Covid. 19.
09:48:55 At this point for a total of 118 hospitalizations.
09:48:59 We have no new deaths for a total of 28 deaths. In Jefferson County, neighboring Clown County.
09:49:06 We have had 11,148 cases diagnosed for Covid 19.
09:49:11 That puts our case rate at 117 per 100,000, with a percept positivity of 5%.
09:49:18 We have 2 2 individuals currently in the hospital for Covid, 19 in Cllem County, for a total of 364, and no new desk.
09:49:27 Report at 111. So, as I discussed before, I think we are picking up fewer of our cases in Clleam County on any given day in Jefferson County, about 70% to 90% of the cases,
we are reporting are actually
09:49:40 home antigen tests. The people have reported to the Health Department, and then we've been able to interview them comparatively in Clown County. about 10% of our cases on any
given day our home Antigen tests and we
09:49:52 do believe that home engine tests are used similarly across the counties. And so we think we're missing a chunk of cases in cloud, and we're hopeful that by making it easier
to report by putting up a space on the website where
09:50:05 people can securely report their positive home tests we'll get a little bit better ascertainment of cases in Clam County as well.
09:50:14 I think a couple key details to look at with covid 19 At this point we're certainly seeing cases rise We think that's driven by the B A 2 variant that's now about 75% of the
of the positive
09:50:27 tests that we're seeing in jefferson and clown County.
09:50:30 So it is the dominant variant here We also Think that rise is driven by the reduction in mitigation measures that we're seeing less masking stop mandatory anymore.
09:50:40 And so taking away those mitigation measures, has certainly also contributed to the rise in cases that we're seeing one helpful point that we are seeing, though, is, we are
still not seeing a rise in hospitalization and death not just here, but
09:50:54 also not on the east coast that had a rise in cases earlier than we did.
09:51:00 And so this could be one of the first times that we don't see a case rate rise followed by a rise in hospitals.
09:51:07 We're gonna keep watching that very, very closely and certainly we saw that in other parts of the country that might change our mitigations here.
09:51:14 But so far we're not seeing that happen and that's really the trigger that would cause us to change some of our mitigations locally.
09:51:22 If we saw a rise in severe disease hospitalsization and death. We are hopeful, though, that we might not see that this time.
09:51:31 That's because so many of us are back vaccinated we've gotten our vaccines.
09:51:35 We've gotten our boosters and so many of us had a recent infection with Covid.
09:51:38 19. So between those 2 we are hopeless that we can prevent severe disease.
09:51:42 We'll keep monitoring for it, though and absolutely will update you if we start to see that kind of a trend.
09:51:47 We are also lucky because we are following behind other parts of our country, so we have a little bit of time to watch what happens.
09:51:55 There and adjust our measures if we need to. The only other big update.
09:52:00 I want to share today is that we are seeing rising rates of influenza locally, as well, particularly we're seeing this in Clown County, where there is less masking than we see
in Jefferson.
09:52:10 But we're starting to see it in jefferson as well and by column can we have had our first death due to influenza? this year?
09:52:18 Was a man in his fiftys who had underlying conditions, who was not vaccinated.
09:52:22 And so I think now is a really important time. If you have not gotten your vaccine for influenza.
09:52:28 Yet it's a really good time to get vaccinated It's important to remember that while Influenza is less dangerous than Kovat, 19, it Still, can be quite dangerous especially people,
for people who are very young for people who are
09:52:39 elderly, or for people who have underlying chronic conditions.
09:52:43 So even if you're not elderly or very young as this man was, if you have, underlying conditions diabetes, lung disease, any of those kind of underlying conditions, any heart
disease, though it's really really important
09:52:55 for you get vaccinated against the flu, not only to reduce your risk of getting the virus at all, but particularly to reduce your risk of severe disease due to the virus, so
also important to remember that masks work for both they work
09:53:07 for Covid, and they work for flu so it'll reduce your risk of pitting both.
09:53:12 If you wear a mask in indoor spaces.
09:53:15 And so with that, i'm happy to take any questions from our Commissioners.
09:53:24 Okay? Well, I was just like I have one, and it was kind of conversation around my house this weekend.
09:53:29 So can you clarify the recommendations for the second booster shot or the fourth shot, because we were almost arm wrestling over.
09:53:41 Whether I needed it. i'm 51 and who whether my husband needed it.
09:53:46 He's 63 and my mother so so yeah there's a lot of questions about the boosters, and I think that there have been breakdowns, and how the booster recommendations have been communicated
so at this
09:54:01 point there is an option for a second booster, which is a fourth dose for any 150.
09:54:10 And over in the United States. The data around that booster is that it is safe.
09:54:13 It's definitely safe to get it's not going to hurt you it's not clear yet that it's needed, though, because we are still seeing excellent protection from 3 doses So the most
important thing you need to do to
09:54:24 prevent your risk of severe disease is to get vaccinated and get that first booster.
09:54:29 So 3 doses for most of us. if you are immunosuppress.
09:54:34 That fourth dose is really critical. so If you're taking immunosuppressing medications.
09:54:37 If you have a genetic amino deficiency, if you're getting treated for cancer, or if you have had a cancer in the past, it's been successfully treated, all of those folks really
good idea to get that fourth
09:54:48 dose everyone else. it's not clear yet how necessary it is it's certainly a reasonable option, and we support folks in getting it.
09:54:57 The fourth doses are available locally at our healthcare system at the pharmacies and at the Public Health Department.
09:55:02 We're just not strongly recommending it yet because we're not yet seeing severe disease, even for people who are over 65.
09:55:09 If they've gotten that looser but adding that extra layoff protection is very reasonable.
09:55:16 It's important to layer your prevention strategies So, even if you get that forth, those we do so strongly recommend wearing a mask in indoor settings. and if you are truly
immunosuppressed in addition to getting
09:55:27 that fourth dose I would recommend talking to your doctor about Evie shelt, which is a monoclonal antibody that can provide you additional protection, as we see case rates for
us.
09:55:37 So it's an option it's not a strong recommendation at this point.
09:55:41 Thank you, no worries. I have a a follow-up to that.
09:55:48 And having just been in Dc. where there's you know quite a bit of covid prevalence.
09:55:55 Is interesting to see how many people who boost it with one booster we're getting covid, and so curious, if that is be a timing thing, that the first booster has worn off or
where there's just
09:56:08 more prevalence there's going to be more breakthrough cases like that.
09:56:13 And if that changes the the decision-making formula for the second, if you're going somewhere where there is more prevalence, would that be a reason to get the second booster?
09:56:23 If you're on the fence about It I heard somebody describe da 2 as the the cleanup crew.
09:56:28 Anybody who didn't get on a crown the first time around is, you know, like, be too good could be the the cleanup crew coming to coming for everyone else.
09:56:36 So just curious if you can help me understand that a little bit more it was.
09:56:40 It was mostly Congressional staffers who a number of meetings canceled last week because so many of them who were boosted had Covid sure.
09:56:48 So. Yes, we we will always see more breakthrough cases when we have more community prevalence, and particularly looking at Washington, Dc: We've seen a pretty broad unmasking
in indoor spaces, and I think that has driven a lot
09:57:04 of breakthrough, partly because Washington, Dc. is really sticking with the Cdc.
09:57:08 Masking recommendations, which is not to start masking again until your hospitals are overloaded, and I want to be clear.
09:57:15 I I disagree with those I Think we should mask long before we overload our hospitals, and so I think that is driving a lot of the breakthroughs.
09:57:21 You're seeing in Dc. is just a lot of people meeting indoors with low, large crowds of other people without mass on.
09:57:29 And so I think that's where we're seeing a lot of breakthrough.
09:57:32 Happen, think it is important to know when we speak about vaccine efficacy.
09:57:36 What we're talking about. and so our ability for the vaccines to prevent all in infections. they're not a 100% at that. far from it.
09:57:46 We do still see getting back vaccinated reduces your risk of getting infected at all.
09:57:50 But where are they? Do the biggest work is by preventing you from getting severe disease?
09:57:54 So it is still possible to get a breakthrough even if you're vaccinated.
09:57:58 It's less likely than if you're unvaccinated, but it can certainly still happen.
09:58:03 But you are very, very unlikely to get severe disease.
09:58:06 So we're seeing 99.9% efficacy against severe disease for those who are vaccinated and boosted.
09:58:13 So really good prevention against the worst outcomes of Covid.
09:58:16 19, but the longer it's been since you got your booster, the more likely you are to get a breakthrough at all.
09:58:24 The getting a fourth dose does decrease your risk of getting any breakthrough.
09:58:29 However, the protection from that is relatively short-lived unfortunately, we're seeing protection from all infections a boost beyond that booster, really only adding extra
protection for about a month after you get it so if for example,
09:58:42 You're going to be doing something high risk you're flying into Dc.
09:58:46 You're going to be meeting with tons of people in indoor spaces.
09:58:49 It might be reasonable to get a booster before you do that.
09:58:52 Get an additional booster before you do that but the added protection, that it provides on top of a third dose isn't very long lasting, so that's part of why we're not pushing
it so hard right
09:59:03 Now I think we have to shift our thinking about what the vaccines do for us.
09:59:09 And initially. when we were dealing with original virus.
09:59:13 When we were dealing with Delta, it was able to prevent us from getting Covid at all.
09:59:16 Now with the vaccines really do the best at is keeping us from getting Covid.
09:59:21 That hurts us in so serious ways, so it dramatically decreases your risk of getting hospitalized, dramatically.
09:59:27 Decrease your risks of dying due to Covid 19.
09:59:30 It also reduced your likelihood of giving Covid to someone else.
09:59:32 If you get it, which is really important. it reduces your risk of long covid, which is also really important.
09:59:38 So that's what the vaccines do for you they don't make you bulletproof.
09:59:43 They don't make it so that you can never get covid, and so, as a person who's vaccinated and boosted myself.
09:59:48 But when I go into indoor spaces I wear a mask, because that's really one of my best protections about against getting Covid at all, and against the unlikely chance of me getting
it and giving it to someone
09:59:59 else. So that's the way I personally choose to layer my mitigations is, I got backstand and boosted, and I wear a high quality mask in indoor spaces in that way I feel very
confident that i'm
10:00:11 not going to get covet and i'm not going to give it to someone else.
10:00:16 Great, thank you. and just one one quick question can you talk a little bit about the nature of the cases that we're seeing in Jefferson right now.
10:00:23 Is it tend to be fairly isolated to a particular families and localized outbreaks?
10:00:29 Or is it widespread in the community now that we're back in high risk?
10:00:34 Great questions. So we are seeing Covid pretty broadly across the community.
10:00:38 With these case numbers we are you able to investigate them pretty thoroughly, and we're not seeing one primary driver of the cases.
10:00:45 We're seeing cases across the county we're seeing it in all different parts of the county, and in a variety of venues.
10:00:53 One of the most common things we are seeing in our cases right now is that those who got Covid spent time unmasked in a variety of indoor venues.
10:01:01 And so it's harder to trace it to an individual venue.
10:01:05 They went to stores they went to restaurants they went to school on mast, and so there's a bunch of different places where it could potentially have come from
10:01:13 And so the the most common unifying factor we see in the those who are getting Covid right now is they're going indoors on mess somewhere. that's really how it's happening.
10:01:24 We certainly are seeing family gatherings, too, so kind of bigger groups meeting up indoors to celebrate in unrest settings.
10:01:30 So that's really the biggest driver but it's not one industry or one particular outbreak driving all of it.
10:01:37 It's kind of people all across the county who are getting it, and so biggest thing you can do besides being vaccinated and boosted wear a mask in an indoor setting make sure
it's a good quality
10:01:46 mask. So at least a surgical mask, A. K.
10:01:50 And 95 or Kf. 94 will provide you even better protection for yourself.
10:01:54 All of the mass protect you from giving Covid to other people.
10:01:58 But the higher quality mass. Reduce your risk of contract virus.
10:02:01 Great. Thank you, Thank you. I just have one question about I guess the the international stage.
10:02:10 I'm just wondering if you can give a little bit of context.
10:02:12 I see the struggles that china's having right now and I appreciate the national and the local.
10:02:17 But just how? How is the world doing right now in your analysis?
10:02:21 Variable depending. on what part of the world you're in a lot of what we're seeing driving different levels of covid 19 activity.
10:02:30 And so we're just seeing very different responses to the virus, and we're seeing the outcome of those different responses over time.
10:02:37 So, for instance, China, Hong Kong had very stringent 0.
10:02:43 Covid policies in many cases still do, and so they really handled Covid by lockdowns primarily but in many cases did not have a commensurate vaccination effort to back that
up and so they were able
10:02:57 to stop Covid 19 from transmitting, when it was Omicron, sorry when it was delta, when it was a original Covid.
10:03:04 But once omicron hit once be a one and b a 2 hit.
10:03:08 It got around those levels of lockdown And so once it got into those communities.
10:03:16 If there were large pockets particularly of elders who were not well vaccinated, we're seeing severe disease in those spaces, and so that's really what's driving a lot of the
the spikes in cases and in
10:03:26 some places hospitalization and death. Other parts of southeast Asia we've seen, and in some parts of China different provinces handled it differently.
10:03:35 In in some parts of southeast asia, we're seeing that they did have really high quality vaccination efforts where large numbers of elders were well vaccinated, and so they're
still seeing spikes, in cases but they're not
10:03:48 saying hospitalizations and deaths and so that's really where we're seeing things shake out if you see a spike in hospitalizations and deaths.
10:03:55 Usually that appears to be driven by under vaccination, particularly of elder members of the population. I think with omicron and Delta.
10:04:04 It's not possible to have a covid strategy It's not possible to make sure we don't have code.
10:04:09 What we can do is reduce the rates of covid so that we don't overwhelm our hospitals, and we can make sure people are well vaccinated.
10:04:17 So they're very unlikely to need a hospitalization that's kind of the the big breakdown we're seeing there in some parts of Africa that had a very large omicron waves they're
behaving
10:04:28 a little bit more similarly to what we're seeing in the United States.
10:04:31 We're seeing some rises in cases but we're not seeing commensurate rises in hospitalization and death.
10:04:36 That's been the South African experience were There any countries you were wondering about that that's very helpful, and I guess I mean you touched on it a little bit.
10:04:48 We haven't heard it about her immunity for a long time is, you know people are getting reinfected.
10:04:55 So, I but it does sound like that is a factor that's pretty important, you know.
10:04:59 You know. Look the lockdowns Okay, it sounds like You're saying that a downside of the lockdowns is that when you know something like Ba one and ba 2 come in.
10:05:08 They can get around the defenses of the lockdown there aren't any other defenses.
10:05:12 So the layered mitigations I guess yeah the layered mitigation is really critical. Those kind of spaces, and I should say that we haven't had a full lockdown in the United States
in a very long time and we never
10:05:24 had a lockdown the way they did in China.
10:05:28 That was a whole different level than what we did we really transitioned to vaccination and masking.
10:05:33 And I would say if we're considering any future mitigations which we are always keeping on the table.
10:05:39 If if we need it, we're looking at masking that's really the primary mitigation, so making men masking mandatory if we started to see significant rises in severe disease, Luckily,
we're not seeing that
10:05:50 yet, and so we're hoping to be able to manage this by just giving people good advice, helping them understand how much covid's in the community, and what to do to protect themselves.
10:06:00 And so that's why we have the dial up that's why we're trying to really get a good handle on how many cases we have, and so you can have all the best information to protect
yourself.
10:06:09 And your face. I think the one other mitigation that's really important for folks to know about is treatment.
10:06:16 And so if you do get covid and you are high risk, particularly if you're elderly, or if you have underlying conditions, if you get a breakthrough regardless of your vaccination,
status, we want to treat
10:06:25 you and we have, we have good treatments of available. so it's important to get tested right away.
10:06:30 And then, if you live in Jefferson County, call the code hotline.
10:06:33 If you live in Cllem County call your medical provider and we have treatments available to protect you, so that you don't get that severe disease.
10:06:41 I think if we layer factsination, masking, and treatment, we can prevent severe disease from Covid.
10:06:47 19. We just all need to be on board with using those mitigations. Great.
10:06:53 Thank you, thank you and I think it important whenever we talk about what's happening in other parts of the world to acknowledge that not all of us have had access to all of
those things.
10:07:02 So it's not that you you said somehow some countries have chosen different policies, but a lot of countries just don't have access to those things.
10:07:10 Much of the world does not have access to the kind of treatments we do in the United States.
10:07:14 And so that is certainly affecting the proportion of severe disease.
10:07:17 We're seeing another part. Okay, so any other questions from the Commissioners, before I dig into the Kptz question.
10:07:27 I I think it's on to the kptz list. thank you. very. We have a few today.
10:07:33 One. The first question asked basically if it's possible to get long, Covid, even if you didn't know you had Covid and get kind of persistent fatigue and shortness of breath
even if you are never diagnosed
10:07:46 with Covid, and I would say, it is we do.
10:07:52 Have people who got long covid, especially in the early parts of the pandemic.
10:07:54 When testing wasn't widely available. and so in those cases often we find out that they did have covid. they just didn't know and so they you know they had what they thought
was the flu and they just didn't get tested and then
10:08:07 later we can find out from antibody testing that they did have Covid, and they've had persistent symptoms thereafter would say, long.
10:08:16 Covid is more common with people who had severe disease due to Covid. so you were more likely to have known that you had, Covid.
10:08:23 But if you Didn't get diagnosed if you didn't get tested, it is possible to develop long code. but whether you knew you had Covid or not, It's also important to know that the
symptoms of long
10:08:33 Covid can be caused by other things, including other things that are important to diagnose and treat properly.
10:08:39 So if you're, having symptoms of law covid persistent shortness of breath, persistent fatigue, brain fog, things like that, it's important to go get properly evaluated by a
10:08:50 physician, because there are other things that can cause that that are treated differently.
10:08:55 And so you want to get properly worked up so we can make sure that we do treat that things like thyroid disorders things like other more serious medical problems.
10:09:04 We want to make sure we properly diagnose which one you have, so that you can get the treatment that will will help you the best.
10:09:14 This person asked, What do you think of the commercial aviation mask mandate going forward?
10:09:19 So the the mask mandate for public transportation including planes, strains on automobiles, buses, things like that has been extended.
10:09:30 And I do think that's a good idea public transit is one of the highest risk areas for transmitting Covid 19 in.
10:09:38 You can imagine why there's a lot of us we're in doors, often in a space where there's no windows that open, and we are sharing the same airspace for an extended period of time,
and so I
10:09:47 think, having a higher layer of mitigation in those spaces is appropriate when it comes to planes.
10:09:54 Planes have excellent air filtration systems but airports don't.
10:09:58 And so when you're in an airport that's a really high risk area, and often those filtration systems are turned off during taxi takeoff and landing, and so it's important to
wear a mask on planes because it's mandatory But it's
10:10:13 really really important to keep your mask on in the airport.
10:10:16 And then, basically, until the seatbelt sign turns off that's going to be the most important time to protect you.
10:10:21 So even if you're gonna take a break to have a stack, take a drink.
10:10:24 I try to save that until you're at cruising altitude when those fans are on what are your thoughts on traveling across country on an airplane.
10:10:36 So this person had a very similar question kind, of about the the risk of that kind of travel, and this person in particular is immunocompromised, and so was wondering whether
or not it's a reasonable risk to take to
10:10:48 fly, I would say, I think flying can be done well the most important thing.
10:10:55 If you're going to fly let's get vaccinated and boosted, this person is they got their fourth booster as well, because their immune compromise and then they wear a high quality
mess so at least a can 90
10:11:04 5 or sorry. a Kf. 94 Rk. N. 95 or an entity 5.
10:11:12 If you could keep it on your face, really really important to wear it throughout the airport terminal, take off and landing, and then, if you need to take it off to take it,
drink have a snack.
10:11:20 If it's a crass country flight that's Okay, but really try to keep it on the rest of that plight, and then pay attention to what you're doing when you arrive.
10:11:29 So a lot of folks will be very very careful on their flight, and then they go indoors for a 30 person indoor gathering.
10:11:36 That's a risky move. So if you are immunocompromised.
10:11:39 You really want to wear a high quality mask in all your indoor settings?
10:11:43 If you're gonna be meeting up with a small group of folks adding antigen testing on board.
10:11:49 So if you guys all take an antigen task before you meet up for dinner, that can make it safe to remove your mask in those kind of spaces.
10:11:56 So I would think about layering all of those mitigations.
10:11:58 And then I think traveling can be done safely you just have to be very intentional about it, and the one place where you are most likely to get surface transmission of Covid
or other viruses is actually Tsa So it's when
10:12:10 you touch those bins that all of us have touched throughout many, many days.
10:12:16 You want to wash your hands after Tsa. If you do all of that, I think you can do it quite well.
10:12:20 But everyone has to make their own risk assessment. And so, if all of those mitigations, if thinking about Covid, that much on your trip is gonna make it not very fun right
Now then it might be reasonable to delay it But if you have
10:12:33 a really meaningful thing you want to do. if you really want to see family that you haven't seen in a couple years.
10:12:40 I think you can do it Well, you just need a high quality mask, and you need to keep it on
10:12:46 Otherwise we just have a couple more. One person asks about the second booster for the 50 and overcrowded.
10:12:53 So we kind of talked about that if you are you 51 and healthy.
10:12:58 I don't know that there's a lot of indication for it right now.
10:13:04 I think it's a very reasonable additional measure to take especially if you're about to do something more risky. But I don't know that it's entirely necessary at least not based
on the data that we have in front of us at
10:13:14 this time, if you are high risk and if you're 75 have multiple underlying comorbidities, and you want that added layer of protection just against the very rare possibility of
severe disease, I think that's
10:13:28 a particularly reasonable time to consider going forward with a fourth booster.
10:13:32 But again we're still seeing great protection from the first 3 shots, and so most important is just to get your get vaccinated and get that booster, which is for most of us
3 shots.
10:13:45 This person? asked Will. pediatric vaccines for the 5 to 12 age group be available in Jefferson County by early July.
10:13:53 And so I just want to clarify. We have pediatric Covid 19 vaccines available right now for everyone, 5, and up, so you can get those at Jefferson County public health.
10:14:02 You can get them at pharmacies, you can get them at at your local health care providers potentially.
10:14:08 What this person meant to ask was for the under 5 set that many of us are waiting for, and i'd say I don't know.
10:14:15 I haven't seen the data that that is being submitted for the under 5 crew.
10:14:20 I have heard the possibility of June for when we might see that that vaccination become available, but we haven't seen the data.
10:14:27 The Fda hasn't finished reviewing it and so we don't know you for the under 5 set.
10:14:32 But if you have a kid 5, and up they have vaccines available to them. right now.
10:14:36 We would encourage you to get them vaccinated if they haven't been already pharmacies health care or Jefferson County.
10:14:44 Public health, or all happy to take care of you. Dr. Berry. does that include a booster for 5 to 12 for boosters?
10:14:53 Those are currently only approved for 12, and up. Fda is looking at the possibility of gloosters for 5 to 12 right now.
10:15:00 And so, as soon as we see final decision on that we would make those available as well. but we've not yet seen boosters for 5 to 12.
10:15:08 Good clarification. One person asked our bars and restaurants generating the new spike.
10:15:16 If not, where is the new spike coming from? and So we touched on this a little bit with Commissioner Dean's question.
10:15:22 We certainly are seeing, visiting, bars and restaurants in our case investigations, but often we're seeing that that person also visited a variety of other places unmasked and
indoors.
10:15:32 And so it's harder to pinpoint but that's exactly where it's coming from.
10:15:36 There's just a lot of options for where people might have gotten Covid, because so many people are unmasked in indoor settings.
10:15:42 We do know that bars and restaurants are a place where Kovat transmits because we're unmasked and indoors, but anywhere else that we're unmasked and indoors right now can also
transmit
10:15:53 Covid 19 if you spend a prolonged period of time there.
10:15:56 So the best protection, besides getting vaccinated and getting boosted is to wear a mask in all of your indoor settings that reduce your risk of getting cold.
10:16:08 Then the last one. This person says I had Covid in early April.
10:16:13 I have tested negative twice Now, how much longer do I need to test at home before going into a small group in nor situation. I feel like i'm wasting Antigen tests.
10:16:22 So this is a good time to review what to do if you have Covid.
10:16:27 So if you test positive for covid 19 the most important thing is to isolate as soon as you find out that you're positive, and we recommend that you isolate for 10 days from
when you're symptom started so I
10:16:38 don't know when this person symptoms started but say their symptoms started on April.
10:16:43 The first we recommend you isolate for 10 days beyond that.
10:16:47 So until April the eleventh. What you can do is if after day 5.
10:16:51 So on April the sixth, 5 days after your symptoms started.
10:16:56 If on day 5, you have no symptoms at all, it is reasonable to take an antigen test, and if you are negative, to go ahead and leave iolation. so to actually go in the indoor
environments, we do we do
10:17:08 recommend that you continue to wear a well-feding mask in indoor environments.
10:17:12 After that 5 days, even if you're testing negative on the off chance that you have a low enough viral load that you're not testing positive anymore.
10:17:19 But you could still infect others. So that's the way to leave isolation early is, if you test negative.
10:17:24 If you've test negative after day 5 you can go ahead and leave isolation, you don't have to continue to test at home. but you do need to wear a mask until 10 days after your
symptoms.
10:17:37 Started. That's all the questions we have from Kptz thank you, Dr.
10:17:42 Barry. Thank you. I wonder if Willie is there if he has anything he wants to add this week?
10:17:49 How do you get? Good morning, Everyone. just 2 quick things from me. One is, it relates to masking.
10:17:56 We have seen a pretty sharp drop-off in demand in our free and 95 and K.
10:18:05 And 95 program. However, considering current case rates, we are going to make another big push.
10:18:08 Make sure everyone is stocked up there, so those will be can continue to be available at grocery stores, local libraries, etc.
10:18:16 You can find those locations on the Jefferson County Public Health website.
10:18:20 Now a reminder to folks that in 90 five's in K.
10:18:23 95 do provide really good protection to both yourself and those around you. So those given our current case rates are recommended. whenever you're going into an indoor public
setting.
10:18:35 However, if you know, you find those uncomfortable or you're not particularly concerned about yourself.
10:18:41 We still really do recommend You wear even a cloth or a surgical mask for 2.
10:18:45 Those around you so, and given our current case rates. not mandated.
10:18:51 But we really are encouraging that folks do mask up in those public spaces.
10:18:57 So we'll be making in 95 and 1095 available, and we're gonna be getting rid of some of our stock of surgical masks as well.
10:19:05 So really recommended. If you know, be concerned for those around you.
10:19:10 There are a lot of folks who might live with someone who might be too young to get vaccinated, or can't for other reasons, or they might be immunocompromised themselves, etc.
10:19:19 So pretty. Please do take advantage of that program. and also do work to help protect those around you.
10:19:25 I'm masking up in those public no we're making a push on this week.
10:19:30 Restocking some folks and continuing to eye, how fast?
10:19:35 Those are going out, and even though it has slowed down pretty significantly, The other thing I wanted to touch on very briefly is that we are underway with our after-action
review process of the covid 19 response it's
10:19:50 a little bit. it's a little bit of a weird situation because we are still monitoring current surge.
10:19:57 We're certainly not done with our response. pandemic yet.
10:20:00 However, for the most part in our operations here within the emergency Operations Center has slowed pretty substantially. So we're taking this opportunity to look back and review
what went right and what went wrong.
10:20:12 Right now. we're. in the process of soliciting written feedback from our partners and key stakeholders, and things are moving pretty slowly on that front. so i'd like to make
a call to all of our partners who are
10:20:25 listening to this, the other stakeholders who've received that request for feedback. that you you know.
10:20:32 Reach out and take the time to provide us some written feedback really important.
10:20:38 To us to receive that to help guide our after action.
10:20:41 Report. So that then we can utilize that information make an action and improvement plan, and actually better prepare for the next pandemic from major event.
10:20:51 So we're currently soliciting that written feedback for the the next 2 weeks.
10:20:56 But you do have a little bit of time there on the the survey format we're using.
10:21:00 It can be as long or as short as you like Then after that we'll be moving on to a series of small focus groups, and we're directed conversation around key functional areas.
10:21:11 After that will be kind of merging all the feedback together in the one one report, and then i'll be back to present findings on to the public and the Bocc. sometime around
July depending on how
10:21:25 long our focus conversation. Stay so i'm a call to our partners. if you haven't already, please do submit written feedback.
10:21:32 The response has been i'm fairly fairly low thus far so we'd really love to hear from you and again. help help prepare for whatever Kovat 19 has in store for us remaining and
then help us prepare for the next big
10:21:45 pandemic or Major Zack so all of our partners today I'm.
10:21:49 Running. that's all for me. hey? Willie just to Shake the cobwebs loose a little bit, and maybe inspire some of that feedback coming your way.
10:21:59 Can you give people example? Just remind us of the key functions of the Dm.
10:22:05 And what specific activities you're looking for feedback on maybe the top 3 to 5, just to inspire people that.
10:22:14 So. Oh, I have a thought on that yep so some of our some of our key areas that we're looking at I'm. obviously communications.
10:22:23 So whether it be our public briefings alongside public health.
10:22:27 Here, at the Boc we had a series of internal stakeholder briefing calls that have morphed throughout the pandemic.
10:22:35 Our situation reports both internally to partners as well as our community situation reports out to the public.
10:22:42 Then everything from our ppe distribution, both to the public as well as 2 partners.
10:22:48 Some of our planning work around other key issues, like medical surge capacity, etc.
10:22:55 Our vaccine operations. Probably the the biggest one within deem in partnership with public health, and that also included spontaneous volunteer coordination.
10:23:05 So we had hundreds and hundreds of folks who step forward from the community to help us deliver vaccine to the Jefferson healthcare vaccine operations, i'm. etc.
10:23:16 So i'm the emergency operation center kind of serves as the central coordinating point among everyone involved in the response.
10:23:24 So for this particular incident that was combination of Dm.
10:23:29 Public health as well as Jefferson health care. And so, any way that emergency operation center function, any of the coordination we did through information, personal protective
equipment, or, again, vaccine and another protective operations whatever in
10:23:45 any of those might be so if you're a stick holder and you've received that that survey and that request for a response.
10:23:51 And you're just not sure either where you fit in or if you need a refresher.
10:23:57 And that's one thing we've really been finding is that you know. 2 year long. incident response is much longer than anyone has ever served on.
10:24:06 Most folks will deploy to an incident, maybe for a couple of weeks.
10:24:11 Most many folks have been involved, maybe for a few months, at the very most.
10:24:16 In some sort of emergency response. So this is unprecedented.
10:24:22 Some folks have needed some help jogging their memory a little bit, so do feel free to reach out, and we can chat again about what your role was about, what we did, etc.
10:24:32 Perfect. Just one of the the sparks to fly a little bit there.
10:24:37 So I'm sure that some people are feeling inspired Now, anything else from the Commissioners for Dr.
10:24:46 Barrier, Willie this morning. No, nothing for me. Thanks, you guys.
10:24:52 We really appreciate you being here. and as we have for the entire 2 years, your leadership and steady handling of the teller as we navigate through this.
10:25:04 So. we'll see you next week, thank you great thank you thanks.
10:25:12 So our next item on the agenda is at 1030.
10:25:15 This gives us a perfect time for a 5Â min. break So Good we're gonna recess for 5Â min back at 1030.
10:25:25 Thanks everyone, it's not muted is it no that's not where the sounds coming in, anyway.
10:39:32 Just everyone can hear a sound. Are we good 2 years? Okay.
10:39:36 So what was it? I don't know it's working now like a momentary hiccup?
10:39:42 So we'll have to unfortunately, because it is a public hearing you're gonna have to start from the top and start.
10:39:49 But the sound would be, Take up all computer. How do you?
10:39:54 Oh, I have it on a lot of you so i'm. Sorry we're going to go back and have mark do this again, or ,
10:40:21 Okay, Mark, I think you can go more quickly on the ones where there's It's all related to the Union negotiation.
10:40:30 Just right. Yeah, the bulk of yeah, I mean, I but I can.
10:40:36 I can talk through it again. Sorry. Okay, commissioners all rightful through this.
10:40:46 So because the audio was not working for the last about 9Â min. I would just like to remind people that we are having a hearing regarding first quarter, 2,022 budget appropriations
and extensions and mark
10:41:04 Mccauley is briefing us on the various budget extensions, and largely most of these, I think 61% are due to
10:41:15 The adjustments to first quarter, based on union negotiations and retroactive pay.
10:41:22 Yeah, that's for the general fund and 51% and other phones.
10:41:26 Right. So thank you, Commissioner Eisenhower. I will start again.
10:41:31 So this is a summary of the general fund. appropriations, revenues and expenses.
10:41:38 As I mentioned the first time I ran through this, we need to make an adjustment to this.
10:41:43 We need to add 45,300, to the clerks expenditure item, which will bring it to $101,188, and that's because on the appropriation sheet
10:41:57 revenue was was added, but offsetting expenditures were not, and that'll change the total from 1, 6, 8, 5, 284 to 1,000,700, and 30,584, so when the board makes
10:42:13 a motion. it should be subject to that change so here's a summary of other funds larger number here only 50.
10:42:25 1% of this number is driven by collective bargaining agreements.
10:42:31 We do have one item that is rather large and that's affordable housing, and i'll explain that number when we get to it.
10:42:37 Rotate screen. All right. So i'm going to sort of go through these rapidly.
10:42:49 Those that are related to collective bargaining agreements.
10:42:51 This is the one for the auditors office a total of just about 53,000, and this is for the
10:43:02 No, i'm sorry that was the assessor This is the auditor, a total of 29, almost 30,001 time, and a 100,000 ongoing.
10:43:15 This is for elections 11,000, and about 18. This is for the clerk's office 26,000, and about 30,000, and this is the one I mentioned when I discussed the summary for general
fund.
10:43:34 This is where we need 45,299 and 57 cents an offsetting expenditure authority.
10:43:42 Then i'll ask the board to approve when you approve the motion later.
10:43:48 So this is county Administrators office salary and benefit adjustments, and this is for the Commissioner's office, and this has to do with Commissioner Office staff.
10:44:01 That would be the clerk, executive assistant, and then and then Julie, Julie Sheannon.
10:44:12 This is salaries and benefits for emergency management. Once again, because of a collective bargaining agreement.
10:44:22 Now this is expenditure, authority. Edc. team.
10:44:28 Jefferson was supposed to invoice us for a couple of different things.
10:44:32 Piff money, and then money that comes out. of community services and they were laid in submitting those we couldn't get them into the 2,021 expense cycle.
10:44:45 And so we need budget authority to pay those invoices in 2,022. and i'll talk to Cindy Berks about timeliness of invoicing.
10:44:53 Yeah. All right. District Court again. Collective bargaining agreement.
10:45:03 This is a bit of cleanup it's to align dollar amounts.
10:45:08 What was put in the budget, and what the numbers ought to be, should be an even 50,000.
10:45:14 And then the even 4,500 so that's a little bit of housekeeping there, and
10:45:24 This is juvenile salaries and benefits Then once again this is to recognized agreements that were approved in 2,022 that couldn't get into the budget, because they were approved
after the the budget was
10:45:44 adopted salaries and benefits for the prosecuting attorney.
10:45:53 We have several pages for the sheriff, because they have so many different divisions.
10:45:57 So salaries and benefits and there's one here's a second one, a third.
10:46:08 The fourth and the fifth, and so 5 sheets for salaries and benefits for the sheriff.
10:46:20 And this one here recognizes revenues and expenses related to 2 grants.
10:46:27 Never go to Grant and the Rsat Grant Revenue neutral for the general fund, their budget neutral.
10:46:37 This is salaries and benefits for superior court salaries and benefits for the treasurer, and this is the inflationary adjustment and the contract for indigent defense be used
as Seattle to Coma
10:46:58 Bellevue cpi for that. this is for a whole $2.
10:47:11 We had a grant from the State, and we earned a little bit of interest on the Grant money before we spent it.
10:47:18 And so I know that you're probably wondering can't we absorb that with existing budget, but auditors on M. Doesn't have a lot of budget and so to pay the 2 bucks they really
it really ought to have
10:47:29 this. Okay? So there was a project to digitize real estate transaction records.
10:47:41 We got invoked once again, too late to pay out of 2021 budget, and so we need a budget authority to pay that that bill in 2,022 this is wsu cooperative
10:47:58 extension salaries and benefits due to the click that bargaining agreement.
10:48:05 And this is an adjustment for increased expenses, and then some revenue for the Master Gardener Foundation.
10:48:16 So almost budget neutral there's a the net effect of that is a $700 increase in their budget.
10:48:24 Using fund balance, and then noxious weeds.
10:48:34 Collect a bargaining agreement again. Then this recognizes Mos, executed in 2,022 for notxious weeds.
10:48:41 That revenue and appropriate expenditure authority to execute those those mous and then public health. once again, they've got a lot of sporting units, so they've got a number
of salaries and
10:48:58 benefit changes, and then and then transfers in from the general fund to offset those.
10:49:13 This is to help compensate public health for the extraordinary expenses related to energy of implementation.
10:49:21 Had had energy, had the pandemic not hit, and had we not had some difficulties having to repeat training and what not, these expenses would have been lower.
10:49:33 But public health has stepped up to implement that program, and this this just makes them whole water, water, quality, salaries and benefits.
10:49:44 And then I think Commissioner Eisenhower might be able to talk about this.
10:49:48 But I think these are mental health. expenditures that were approved in 2,022, and for which we couldn't we couldn't budget for them in 2021 for this biennium because we
10:50:03 didn't know what the amounts would be and who would receive the funds.
10:50:08 Yeah, and that that was the item that I mentioned earlier that Oh, oh, yeah, Osd became the administrator of school-based mental health part way through the 2 year biennial
contract.
10:50:21 So that's what required this change. Okay, so fun 143.
10:50:31 This is community development. This is retroactive pay and another community development.
10:50:40 Different divisions again. All right, So the 1,000,000 in affordable housing here here's a detail.
10:50:55 So we committed 600,000 to the seventh Hendricks project.
10:50:59 So the additional 400,000 will enable us to liquidate that obligation, and then anticipating another 600,000 or so in revenue this year we're asking for you to recognize that
revenue
10:51:14 budget. And then then there were 2 Items the habitat for humanity and Jefferson County fairgrounds that we're not in in the budget, and so we need to add those and those were
old invoices military to
10:51:36 me right. the 600Â ms from the fairground i'm sorry.
10:51:43 Yes, that's from 21 I thought the 27 was like in a war big habitat build this way.
10:51:51 Yeah, that we it was like a I know they're nice to me right every year, and I submitted so for people who are viewing the meeting. They are running this item a little bit long
because we had to restart the briefing
10:52:05 on this item. so we will pick up with the the no shooting area discussion when we're done with this briefing.
10:52:14 Yeah, we're 6Â min over I mark and once like this and then also the
10:52:23 The behavioral health. when the budget is made, we still project a certain amount of revenue, because those both come from sales, tax right, and expenses associated with them.
10:52:35 Is that correct? Yes. Okay, yeah. And so this should have been in the budget when we adopted it.
10:52:40 The 600 the 400,000, however, we we were hoping to pay only cap last year. but there were prevailing wage issues, and we didn't get the answer to the prevailing wage question
until it yeah, it was too
10:52:54 late. So But but going forward, the 50 minus 90 revenue will be in the budget when it's adopted in December.
10:53:03 Okay, and so like for the be of your health, but 1, 10 to 1%.
10:53:07 We estimated a certain amount of sales, tax, revenue, and expenditure.
10:53:12 And so this is just kind of verifying those amounts what's adjusting what we could do is we could try to guess who's gonna get the money. and then what amounts but then we'll
have to do a supplemental
10:53:23 to yeah, clean that up. So better not to appropriate anything and then appropriate it based on known facts.
10:53:33 Yeah, still estimate that we're going to spend that total amount correct, right, and expenditure in some cases like with with Arpa we put 3 point, 1, 2, 9 of generic budget
in that we can then journal
10:53:50 voucher to other budget lines. once projects are funded We don't do that in in the Pitfund.
10:54:00 We don't do that with ltag we don't do that with affordable housing.
10:54:02 We wait until we know who's getting what and and then we can do the budget items.
10:54:09 Okay, Thank you. And with the behavioral health school-based mental health, it was really that we changed who was administering that program.
10:54:16 Mid-grant cycle. but this process would only affect the total amount.
10:54:21 Right, right? Thank you. Okay. One of these items was entered as a revenue.
10:54:35 And so we're eliminating the revenue and putting expense budget in like it should have been in the first place.
10:54:42 And then the Pfeiffer house that 13,000 is a carryover from last year.
10:54:49 Then we just need to budget authority to finish out what what they were granted last year.
10:54:59 All right. This is Perks part, some recreation. This is salaries and benefits based on the retroactive agreements.
10:55:10 Why did that decrease? wait? Can you go back to that one for just a second?
10:55:15 Looks like. Oh, they put them in, and then took them out one-time appropriation.
10:55:33 Column line was a decrease kind of budget.
10:55:34 So the budget went down for the first quarter of 2,022 for salaries.
10:55:50 Does that just mean that they that there was budgeted positions that weren't operating at that time?
10:56:01 Mark. hmm! I think that's related to vacancies yeah, that's that makes sense.
10:56:13 I mean, because parks is historically underfunded so it's just was surprising for me to see a negative number, and then appropriation to them.
10:56:21 So that makes sense, though, if it's vacancies yeah and i'll remind the Board that you increase their rep to E by one in 2,022.
10:56:34 Okay, this is once again. this is a little bit of clean up.
10:56:40 Where they asked for the and I don't know how this happened, but the amounts appropriated didn't match what they what they had submitted, and so I need to figure out why that
is we go back to the the parks and rack one
10:56:57 74, because there's also transfer from the general fund Yeah, yeah, they're They've got a lean fund balance.
10:57:06 And so we have to help help them cover them. just
10:57:17 Okay, so that I I explain this one we're just that this is housekeeping.
10:57:21 And then this is parks of parks and improvement.
10:57:27 When they do projects, they charge some of their time to Parks improvement.
10:57:30 And so this is a collective bargaining adjustment, and then this is a road fund.
10:57:41 This is the retro additional retro. Then I think our treasurer, Stacy, prayed to mention that the previously treasurer fees were taken out monies before they got to the department.
10:58:01 Now with Munis they get the full amount but then the treasurer. Then they pay the treasurer, and so they they want to reflect that in their budget, in the interest of a full
transparency.
10:58:13 Well, then, it doesn't look like they're charging enough $25.
10:58:19 I think it's statutory what they can charge I see Okay.
10:58:27 304 this is the jump playground because there's project management time associated with that.
10:58:36 And here I mentioned previously late billing by Edc.
10:58:41 Team, Jefferson, and we'll get that sorted out well, Cindy was new to her position at that right?
10:58:48 So yeah, and they're also getting up to speed thing salaries and benefits for solid waste additional solid waste, salary and benefits.
10:59:06 Another here here's $50 another for 200 so there you go.
10:59:14 I need. Okay, if you're getting your you're getting your larger amounts, salaries, and benefits tri area sewer fund, or get to the end.
10:59:25 And this is salaries and benefits for equipment.
10:59:29 The revolving fund for equipment and then that's the last of them.
10:59:37 And so we have 2 more collective bargaining agreements to settle.
10:59:42 They'll Involve Retro also and so my hope going forward is that we negotiate these agreements well in advance.
10:59:50 Start on January the second of the last year of the agreement, so we can ink a deal and have all the changes in the budget for the subject.
10:59:58 Budget period great aspiration. So this is a hearing.
11:00:06 So we can open this hearing. to public comment if there's anybody on Zoom who would like to make a public comment about first quarter budget adjustments.
11:00:17 Please raise your hand using the right hand, Button at the bottom of the screen, or by pressing Star 9 on your phone, and we'll bring you over.
11:00:25 See anybody raise monsters. Ok. Mr. Tiers she'll have 3Â min.
11:00:37 When you accept to be panelists, hear you. Okay, there we go.
11:00:52 So this is a hearing up for the record chopped tier resident of Jefferson County.
11:00:57 I wanted to comment. and about the 2 items that mention the Edc appropriations were.
11:01:08 Apparently there are some inability for the Edc. to submit invoices. timely.
11:01:14 Total amount $41,000. Questions about that is what happened to the amount that was budgeted in 2,021.
11:01:24 Well, it wasn't simply carried over I don't understand how that happens.
11:01:28 So maybe an explanation for for that process would help me understand a little better.
11:01:33 Why this happened. the fact that edc can't keep its bookkeeping straight is a concern, and the biggest concern, I think.
11:01:42 Is, it just illustrates the the lack of transparency on the part of Edc.
11:01:48 For some reason Edc doesn't consider itself to be a public agency, even though it's fully funded by public dollars.
11:01:55 Really bothers me, as you might be able to tell. We need to see what Edc is up to.
11:02:02 We need to see what the board meetings do we need to see how that vast pool of public money is being spent.
11:02:09 And right Now we don't all we see is variance in the budget at the county level, and who knows what happens to it.
11:02:19 After that it's It's it's very disturbing, and i'd like to see some changes made i'd like to see the board members at the Evc.
11:02:26 Those positions that are currently filled by docc members advocate for more openness, for more transparency, and feeling that I don't know. I I think some further action needs
to be taken on this So that's
11:02:43 that's my comment. Complaint testimony whatever you want to call it.
11:02:46 Thank you. Thank you for your comment, Mr. Teres. Are there any more folks who raise their hands on the zoom room?
11:02:56 Stand more at the moment. Clerk gordon you're not here to make a comment on this i'm here as a resource.
11:03:02 If you have any questions. Okay, thank you, so humanity growth Okay, i'm gonna close public comments, and it's like testimony closing testimony. And Carolyn did you say you
wanted to i'm not sure if you can hear me from
11:03:18 over here. but I was going to speak to the fact that I spoke with previous Director Brian Q.
11:03:25 Regarding the invoices last year, and at that time he believed that he didn't have to build for third and fourth quarter of the the Edc. Invoices, because he thought that those
amounts were included in the new 5 way agreement so that was
11:03:39 a misunderstanding on his part of things. when I reviewed the contracting items with Mark Macaulay in 2,022 in the beginning of the season, it was apparent that he should have
build for third and fourth
11:03:50 quarter, 2,021 and therefore that's why we need the budget appropriation.
11:03:55 So I have them bill out for third fourth quarter of those 2 funds. and that's why we had a negative.
11:04:02 That's why we need the appropriation that is that right and and the board typically not typically, but ever since I arrived here.
11:04:10 The second Monday of december's when you approve the budget, and so information invoices and whatnot we can, we can, we'll we'll have 2 invoice approval cycles in january that
can
11:04:25 be pushed back into the previous year. but if we receive them after that second invoice run, and then they have to be in the current year.
11:04:36 And so that's what happened then in the cases that we discussed, and we reviewed, and we explained that to the new easy director.
11:04:46 So in answer to the question of why was that not carried over
11:04:52 So instead, that was that just remained as part of our or surplus last year, right?
11:04:57 It remained in fund balance. Yeah. And so that financial impact will be felt this year.
11:05:04 Okay, And I think there is a shared feeling among the public agencies.
11:05:09 That fund, the Abc. that we wanted to see more accountability for funding.
11:05:14 And so the both the public sector cabinet which marks its on.
11:05:18 And then I said on the board representing the Bocc.
11:05:22 Certainly seeking more of that. I made a note to, you know.
11:05:26 Follow up and make sure that they are invoicing the county as as scheduled.
11:05:31 So I will. I will be tracking that more closely.
11:05:33 The question about whether it should be a public entity or not is very existential, and occupies about 80% of all of the Abc.
11:05:42 Board meetings currently So, trying to figure out the right balance of how do we protect proprietary information of businesses that the Edc.
11:05:50 Works with, but also provide the right level of transparency.
11:05:54 Given the public funding nature of the Abc. so very much.
11:05:58 Still a work in progress. Any other comments? that. Okay.
11:06:08 Do we have a motion to approve? I will move to approve the and we get back to the document here.
11:06:21 A resolution for the first quarter, 2,022 budget appropriations and extensions for various departments, with the exception of offset, offsetting expenditure, authority for the
clerk's office and the
11:06:37 amount of $45,299 and 57 cents.
11:06:41 I'll i'll second that was there another amendment that we needed to do regarding the Blake Lfos. No, this was that.
11:06:51 No, that Okay. Okay. all in favor. . Okay. passes unanimously.
11:07:00 Thank you Commissioners for your patience. Thanks, Ruth. Thank you all.
11:07:10 Okay. So delayed start. Oh, delayed. Start to our 1045 item, which is discussion and potential action regarding establishing a smaller Cape George.
11:07:26 No shooting area under Chapter 8, that 5 Oh, of the Jefferson County code, and we will be joined by deputies. So civil prosecuting attorney, Philip Hunsucker for this one and
we also have 2
11:07:43 additional no shooting area discussion, so i'm imagining what's just bundle in that smaller cape.
11:07:50 George. No shooting area, the larger Cape George, no shooting area, and the Gardener beach, no shooting area.
11:07:57 In this discussion. Good morning. And you guys hear me. Okay. Yeah.
11:08:06 Yeah. and we can , screen. also. Excellent. Okay. So let me see if I can tie this up for you guys.
11:08:26 So Adl asked me to present this to you guys. Just so.
11:08:30 You understand the options that are out there? the the the ordinance?
11:08:40 Yeah, the operative ordinance is really it's Jefferson County code, 8.5 point 0 5 0.
11:08:48 And it's a little convoluted the way it's written.
11:08:52 So let me see if I can just kind of walk you through it, and and we'll see how we do 4 things to talk about one.
11:09:04 I just want to talk about principles it'll be requirements and options.
11:09:11 There will be 2 parts to that, and then we'll talk a little bit about each of the proposed no shooting areas.
11:09:26 Okay, So the principals really are so things this is my list, and then we'll kind of go through them hopefully, fairly quickly.
11:09:37 First and most important, you have the final say on whether to adopt a no shooting area, and what the scope of that, no shooting area is.
11:09:50 And so starting with the end in mind that's the most important thing you need to know.
11:10:00 Then you have certain limitations on no shooting areas that are imposed by State law.
11:10:11 There are requirements in our code, and Jccc: 8.5, point 0, 5 that have to be met.
11:10:21 And then the first decision that you have to be made, and it does not have to be today.
11:10:27 Does each petition warrant consideration and then if you're.
11:10:35 If you're going, if it does then you ought to be thinking about participation of tribes, they're required.
11:10:43 If you pick one of the 3 options that we're going to talk about.
11:10:48 But I think you ought to be thinking about it now and then.
11:10:54 The final thing is, you got 3 options that you can pick after you decide.
11:11:00 If the petition warrants consideration, you can hold a public hearing on the petition, you can facilitate an amicable solution within the proposed area, or you can send the
petition to a reviews committee review
11:11:16 committee. Okay, so let's just quickly look at the requirements of state law.
11:11:28 First we've been this been through this a little bit before in the past, but State law preempts the entire field of firearms regulation within the boundaries of the State, with
some exceptions, and one of those exceptions is that
11:11:45 cities, towns, and counties, and other municipality, can enact laws relating to firearms that are specifically authorized by State law, as in Rcw.
11:11:58 9, point 4, 1, 300, and you're limited to the to those, and only those.
11:12:06 So the key provision in maybe I skip past it.
11:12:12 Error, the the key provision in Rcw. 9, point 4, 1 point, 300 is in subsection.
11:12:22 3. Okay, and this is the key language in red. There has to be a reasonable likelihood that humans, domestic animals or property will be jeopardized for you to limit the use
of firearms in an area in the county
11:12:41 Code carries through an 8.5 point 0 5 one. that Rcw.
11:12:49 Language in subsection one you see it's right there and and there's 2 ways that a a no shooting area can be adopted or or modified or eliminated and that's either by a petition
so or by
11:13:10 a majority vote of the board of County commissioners. the the petition has to have at least 20 electoral residents of each voting precinct, and for each of these 3 no shooting
area petitions.
11:13:26 We're talking. if they all met that requirement and addition to the State law requirement.
11:13:40 Our code in subsection 2 of 8 point, 5, point 0, 5 requires that the petition must be based on a definable threat to to the public health safety or general welfare.
11:13:53 Then it has to include the subjectsection 3, a legal description, a map, written statement explaining the reasons for the petition, and any reported incidents involving firearms
in the petition.
11:14:10 Area. I I believe that all 3 petitions meet all but the last requirement.
11:14:16 And then what are your options? We so!
11:14:27 The options are already already laid out. but this is the that I laid out in one of the other slides.
11:14:32 But this is the actual options, and How it's discussed in so basis c.
11:14:40 Of 5.0, 5 subsection 4.
11:14:44 So you have the requirement here of the petitions being verified.
11:14:51 All 3 petitions satisfy that and then there's that question of the Board finding the petition warrants consideration, and then here starts your options, your 3 options. a public
hearing option the facilitate and
11:15:04 avocal resolution, solution option, the Review committee option, and you can have the review committee.
11:15:17 Consider the petition before having a hearing and treaty tribe must be contacted by the county to identify any concerns and invite their participation.
11:15:28 So I think the way the ordinance is written that's really referring to the review committee.
11:15:34 But I think it's wise to involve tribes, in this, because they have expressed interested in the past and when we've been when we've done some of these no shooting areas. So
Philip, Yes, hey?
11:15:46 This is mark, so do 2 of the options require a public hearing, but one involves a review committee before the public hearing.
11:15:55 So you could. The The Board can have a can send this to a hearing.
11:16:01 Now decide to send it to a hearing if they're inclined to do that.
11:16:06 Then we should have a, you know. prepare hearing notice, and have the board of approve.
11:16:10 It or they can choose to facilitate an amicable solution, not sure whether it requires a hearing after they do that.
11:16:25 But they may want to do that. it's assigned to a review committee. Then a hearing is required after the rebuild committee makes a recommendation.
11:16:35 Okay, Well, that's another provision of the code which we'll which we'll see in a minute.
11:16:39 All right. Thanks. Okay. So This is subsection.
11:16:50 4, a of 8 point, 5 point, 0, 5 And for a talks about what?
11:16:56 Who has to be on the review committee you can see it up there.
11:16:59 I'm not gonna read it it's requirement it does clearly require participation of tribes, and and it and it says what the review committee shall consider it has to consider location,
terrain and surrounding land use of the
11:17:19 petition area, and then any other thing the that the commissioners want to assign for consideration.
11:17:28 And here's that provision requiring that the that If there's a recommendation from the Review kit committee.
11:17:36 It has to go to a public hearing. Okay, and these are technical requirements for the public hearing.
11:17:47 Legal notice has to be published one time in the official newspaper at least 10 days prior to the hearing that's subsection 5.
11:17:55 And then the key provision from Subsection 6, which was Number one on my list.
11:18:00 Summary list the Board of Commissioners shall determine the final boundaries for the creation of the no shooting area.
11:18:06 So it's it's up to you whether to consider it, and also what the scope of any no shooting area
11:18:17 Is questions so far. Hey, Phil, do we need a survey done for that?
11:18:26 For a legal description. you don't you don't need a survey, and you'll see that their maps that I think are are gis based.
11:18:36 Those are sufficient for purposes of the no shooting area That's how we've done it for all all the other ones.
11:18:45 And I think that would be enough. So of early early in your presentation I heard you say something about these 3 petitions.
11:18:55 Have not had the final element that that was considered in your slide presentation, which is complaints about no shooting, right complaints about firearms.
11:19:10 Use right that's that's something that that ought to be considered if it's if it's applicable, I think I think the ordinance says if applicable then use of firearms in the petition
area or something like
11:19:26 that that's close to a quote so I don't know that that that's been fully explored yet.
11:19:35 Okay, But i'm assuming that would come up in the whatever scenario we move forward with these hearing or facilitated solution or review committee, I mean, I'm sure that that
would be an element of the come up yes, I
11:19:51 would think so. , Okay, yeah, I have a question.
11:19:59 So we have not seen these petitions, which makes it a little bit hard for me to gauge the next steps.
11:20:06 So i see that there's just let's see we did get you got maps, and then we okay, we just get sent to the verbiage.
11:20:19 They're they're pretty pretty basics we don't have any more information other than a one or 2 sentence associated with each of the requests.
11:20:27 Is that right? that's right, and I think what Commissioner Eisenhower was describing the purpose of the meeting.
11:20:38 Was, or this discussion was just kind of lay it all out, so you can know what what what needs to be done.
11:20:45 Commissioner Brother 10 is, I think, also right that there's typically not a lot of information about you know the wise of this.
11:20:54 There is a form that we ask people to use it's it's pretty standard, and they just go around collecting signatures.
11:21:04 But certainly you could. We could have another session where you look where we put all this stuff up, and you can decide what you want to do.
11:21:15 But these have been, you know you need a way to approach this and and that's kind of what the purpose of of this presentation is.
11:21:24 Yeah, I guess I like I would like to see the petitions because, for example, if we were to decide to do a review committee, that's a pretty substantial commitment of county
staff time, and I but I don't have
11:21:37 any sense of how how much interest there is in within these precincts or areas to proceed.
11:21:47 So I think that's that's a kind of information that would be helpful for me to get and you know again without even seeing who has who has signed it.
11:21:54 It's hard to know who to talk to about it so I'm.
11:21:59 I'm certainly wanting more information Yeah, and 20 signatures is a pretty low bar, right?
11:22:03 Yeah, it's a pretty low bar and you may also want to have more information about this before you decide whether you're the first question right?
11:22:14 And and it could be, hey? We want to see the petitions but we have some other things we want to know about this these areas as well.
11:22:24 When we're looking at the differences in the 2 Cape George petitions, then you have some obvious questions.
11:22:33 Come up, and you may want to see, for example, how much of this area is is forced.
11:22:45 You know, for some of these, some of these petitions or how much of this area is truly an urban type area kind of area.
11:22:54 And so those are things you may want to consider when you're deciding whether the the petitions have merits, I think my suggestion would be that you that we have another session
where deciding you know making that first initial
11:23:09 decision? and do they have merits? And then what do you want to do?
11:23:16 And since i've been here I Think We've done 3 of these one was an adjustment to the Chimacum Creek.
11:23:24 No shooting area, and I don't think we we had a review committee on any of those we just we had hearings, and we had testimony and a decision by the board.
11:23:39 So. and Philip, if we had a hearing, and then decided we did want more information.
11:23:44 Is there anything stopping us from going from a hearing and then saying, Oh, we need more information.
11:23:48 We'd like our review committee Well, the the the ordinance that's set out a process.
11:24:01 You you know that you know your 3 options, right and you're supposed to make those decisions as your as you're making the for answering the first question.
11:24:16 The second option is, you know. Try to facilitate some agreed area, and you could use that as to to create a process where you're getting people to come in and talk about this
to essentially get to where you are
11:24:36 suggesting. Maybe you want to go where we have some. Just have you have some more discussion about this before making a final decision.
11:24:43 What to do. Does that make sense? So you know you could.
11:24:48 You could teach one up with public comments. and some more information.
11:24:55 For example, and you, and rely on that provision to do that?
11:25:05 That answer your question. Yes. Okay, Okay, So this is ?
11:25:12 This is the proposed area for the smaller Cape George.
11:25:19 No shooting area, and you can see that it clearly i'm sorry she turned your screen sharing off.
11:25:35 You'll have to turn it back. on Oh, I don't know how I did that. that's Pizza Caroline Carolyn did it to you. Sorry?
11:25:43 Oh, okay, there. Now we see your screen again. Okay, larger, right?
11:25:59 Okay, So we put it in presentation. Mode how's that yeah, we can see it perfectly.
11:26:08 Ok. so this is the proposed smaller Cape George. No shooting error.
11:26:14 It just gives you a sense of what was being proposed.
11:26:17 There are 2 separate petitions on this one earlier one later, and then, if we go to the one that's larger, i'll come back to this in a minute.
11:26:30 Sorry this is this should say larger cape George no shooting area, but you see it's quite a bit bigger.
11:26:40 I'm Not so it's those 2 precincts 104 and one Oh, 5 that looks right. And are those the recently redrawn precincts?
11:26:54 Or the No. they're they're the old precincts.
11:26:56 Okay, So so remember it has. These have to satisfy the statutory requirement.
11:27:09 And you know of a threat to humans, domestic animals or property, and and and the youth and health and safety.
11:27:20 Excuse me requirements of the ordinance itself so the bigger they get drawn, though you know this is logic, the less likely they're going to satisfy those requirements.
11:27:32 So want to be careful how you draw these to make sure someone doesn't file a lawsuit against us for make them too big.
11:27:45 Okay, So let's go back to the small to this smaller one.
11:27:50 So, and this is going to be repetitive. But these are your decision points for each of these.
11:27:58 First you have to decide whether the petition warrants consideration, and then you have these options that you pick from, and that's going to be true for all of these, and you
know we'll make the slideshow available So
11:28:18 so. So we can have it. Yeah, let me mention that in the Pet and the 3 that you've been involved in, they all involved the public hearing option and not the review. committee.
11:28:32 Are you aware of any that have relied on the amicable solution?
11:28:35 Option. No, I think they were all hearings of the 3 that I've been involved in. Okay, but we didn't have a situation where you have 2 2 proposed non shooting areas in one area
that might be
11:28:57 tailor made for this facilitate dynamical solution.
11:29:00 Option. So because I haven't seen them that supporting dramation for those 2 Cape George shooting areas.
11:29:09 Are they the same group of people that decided that they then wanted a larger solution?
11:29:13 Do we know that's a good question and I don't know the answer.
11:29:18 Okay, I would guess there's some overlap and some not without looking and particularly, I would guess that because it involves 2 precincts.
11:29:33 You know I don't know for sure okay so that's large one.
11:29:42 We just talked about same decision points and then here's here's the the map for Gardner Beach Greg.
11:29:58 Is that a big pond that's a lagoon where there's a lot of high intensity waterfowl hunting right now?
11:30:04 I think I think it was inciting incident for this.
11:30:08 Yeah to see that. And so we had. We had sort of that issue with Chimacum Creek and the the difficulty with Chimacum Creek.
11:30:23 No shooting area was you when I got involved with it was you couldn't tell where are the boundary of the note shooting area.
11:30:34 The old new shooting area was and they're people thought for sure that it was that there's a little island sort of looking thing in the creek that comes up when it's at high
tide and a duck hunters would like to
11:30:53 come in and park next to that little island and shoot ducks.
11:30:57 Well, it turned out that that was within the No shooting area when we when we surveyed it so and we got a lot of resistance from duck hunters to to changing the boundary.
11:31:12 So this this will be a concern of of that country's for sure.
11:31:29 So So a question on this sure given the proposed zone here in the Gardener beach one, you know.
11:31:44 This brings up those same concerns about difficulty of enforcement.
11:31:48 When you know that it doesn't follow natural contours it's clearly a rectangle imposed on a shifting landscape, you know just tides alone.
11:32:01 Make it very hard to either to for someone to realize if they were in the no shooting zone or not versus much less enforcement.
11:32:08 So would we, if the option of changing the scope of the No shooting area?
11:32:17 Or do we have to take this or nothing completely up to the Commissioners?
11:32:24 What the scope would be. Okay, thank you yeah so if you Look at this one, for example, you can see that it's that there's some sort of up, you know, toward the upper part of
the proposed area on the left There's some houses
11:32:41 in there, and not much in the way. And once you get south of Gardner Beach Road, not many houses, and that area at least by looking at the map.
11:32:57 So one of the things that we did with the Chimneyslum Creek.
11:33:03 No shooting area was we make. we made it clear that you couldn't shoot into a no shooting area from a from an area that was in a shooting area.
11:33:16 So you know, those principles might apply if you were to shape something here.
11:33:21 For example. But I think your points are really good one Commissioner it's supposed to follow natural contenturers and so forth.
11:33:31 So, you know, and and and that's why just having a discussion about this sort of at the beginning makes sense.
11:33:41 So you can kind of go. Oh, okay, I can see some issues with this. Let's figure out how to approach it, and I think you know, spanning a little time on each one of these about
how to approach it.
11:33:54 Makes a lot of sense, so we don't waste a lot of unnecessary time, and Phil jeopardy to say domestic animals.
11:34:10 Is that define any clear I mean we can't regulate the sound of guns fire right?
11:34:15 So, how do you qualify jeopardy to domestic animals?
11:34:23 Is it only a yeah? So if if my cow or dog is traumatized by the sound of gunfire, does that qualify?
11:34:39 I don't think so so it's really I mean in previous ones of these hearings that i've been to like.
11:34:45 Oh, they you know a stray bullet in a barn or something. and that's really that's what it's talking about.
11:34:51 I believe that's what it's talking about Okay, I just wanted to confirm that.
11:34:54 Thank you. Yep. So it seems like a and a logical next step is to workshop.
11:35:03 These, each separate proposal with the supporting information, and potentially the proponent or proponents of the various.
11:35:17 No shooting areas. Am I off there no that's definitely a way to do it.
11:35:22 I mean I i'm fairly in favor of the process that we've had before, which is a hearing that gives both proponents and opponents.
11:35:31 You know, equal opportunity to demonstrate, You know, reasonable likelihood or not, that humans, domestic animals and or property, or in jeopardy, and that hearing includes
the background information.
11:35:44 The documentation was the petition and Okay, that's that's all I want one more deep.
11:35:50 Yeah, I would expect to. If you had a hearing. I would expect a staff report or resentate presentation that has a lot more detail.
11:35:57 Then what are not? that does makes sense to me, Greg.
11:36:01 I was just getting at the more details. Yeah, yeah. And I mean typically, a hearing would be the public having an opportunity to respond to a very specific proposal. So I guess
they would be responding to the ones We see here.
11:36:16 You, which leads me to believe we might end up going a different.
11:36:20 You know we just looking at these already. I have concerns about the scope of each of them, so you know, then I think it would.
11:36:28 Would we then need to hold another hearing if we were to change the scope significantly?
11:36:33 Fill up. And really what i'm trying to get at here is how much staff effort do you think that this might absorb?
11:36:43 And what is your capacity to work on these it's it's hard to say for sure how much it would take, and the capacity of our office to work on.
11:37:01 It is very small right now that has to do with some ordinances that we're working on in a recent fire, that you may be aware of.
11:37:17 Yeah, So in in my mind, narrowing the scope before considering a hearing, I think might be valuable.
11:37:27 And so maybe that's doing more. kind of footwork on our own to and workshopping to figure out if and how we might want to narrow that scope.
11:37:37 You know. I think we we might expect another one of these from Port Ludlow also soon.
11:37:44 So there's another you know I just want to be mindful of the amount of work that are capable staff puts into each of these right?
11:37:52 Well, the first decision is whether or not you want to give the the petition serious consideration, and if you say no, then the process comes to an end.
11:38:06 But it sounds like you want to move forward on all 3.
11:38:09 Have a workshop more information unless What we've been sent today? while we've been talking answers any?
11:38:19 I mean, What are the complaints? What are the you know?
11:38:20 Instances of shooting that people are responding to you know I mean there's just so many questions that have come up in this generic presentation that how do we get those question
answered and in a way?
11:38:32 That where we can all be involved, it has to be in an open public meeting.
11:38:37 So So I think you could have a workshop on on the question of whether they merit further consideration.
11:38:45 I don't think you have to decide today, and you could try to get some more information.
11:38:51 You could have, you know public comments on on it you could look at the petitions.
11:38:57 That's one option if you don't want to you know, decide today if you're or you don't even have to decide today, you can wait till next week. or whatever you know But Kate is
saying I think makes some sense
11:39:15 and try to workshop this a little bit. I mean just looking at the the 2 obvious issues from the petitions of one that was raised by Kate about you know the shape of the no proposed
no shooting facility on gardner
11:39:39 beach. Then why the difference between the small and the large?
11:39:47 Proposed no shooting areas, you know, for Cape George.
11:39:55 You know I i'd be interested in having some information on those those questions
11:40:04 And it could be a, you know, a commissioner-led outreach, or something like that.
11:40:09 If you wanted to go that way. Well, I do have a meeting scheduled at the Gardener Community Center.
11:40:17 Sheriff Noel will attend as well to talk about a myriad of subjects, and and the port will have representation to to talk about.
11:40:24 The boat ramped there. they've got rco money for and the fireworks issues the kind of overuse of that boat ramp area.
11:40:32 That's really almost I think directly. adjacent to this lagoon, and also the shooting, which I had heard a lot of complaints about, and I I don't know but I I I got the I heard
that you know many times
11:40:44 the sheriff's have been called is what the sheriff's office has been called with actual issues, and I believe some of the believe there's demonstration. of some of the health
and safety risks that were that are the criteria that we need
11:40:57 to hit. but i'm happy to workshop it and especially here in about staff capacity right now.
11:41:03 You know, a little bit more diligence from us before we put a heavy load on our legal staff.
11:41:10 Seems worthwhile I've heard about the cape George at least one of the Cape George
11:41:17 Inciting incidents i'm familiar with 2 you know just some really intense shooting within the colony.
11:41:22 I think that i'm not sure I don't know one way or the other, whether it raises to me to this reasonable likelihood of a property or human or animal jeopardy, but yeah i'm i'm
happy with
11:41:35 the workshop solution as a first step I think we should Take all 3 of them and I mean I just want to make sure that we have that we're not just hearing one perspective at that,
too.
11:41:46 You know, even though we're going to have a hearing afterwards. if I feel like, yeah, how to how to structure the workshop is is new, and if we feel like a port level one is
imminent, do we I mean do do we
11:42:01 know I don't think there's any reason to delay these because we expect another one, agreed.
11:42:10 Yeah, that that all sounds fine to me i'd like to get get a lot more input. I mean another option we could consider is with Cape George do a hearing on the smaller of the 2,
proposals.
11:42:28 And then, but invite proponents of the larger to to tell us
11:42:34 Why they think that's a necessary and we still have the ability to change the scope of it, but limit it to one hearing, for that, for those 2 be another way to simplify.
11:42:44 But but I like the workshop idea, you know. we might expect a lot of passionate input from multiple sides.
11:42:55 He felt. you know if there are and I this might be a a legal issue. but our our hoas or in like i'm a little surprised to hear that is shooting currently allowed in Cape George
colony.
11:43:13 I don't know the hiv was I either through covenants or i'm, and I know there's some preemption of you know who's allowed to regulate that But do we know if there's any limitation
11:43:22 on shooting. currently in those dense areas I Don't know Okay, I mean, it's not like something in Ccrs or something like that.
11:43:32 Yeah,
11:43:40 We just not live in the home. Oh, okay. So it looks like maybe they have a coming in against going.
11:43:48 Use Okay. Yeah. Well, 8 o'clock fines are intended to disway fire and discharge egregious Soviet Union be subject to legal adjudication.
11:44:00 Hmm. I would I would suggest that if you're going to workshop any of these that you might want to involve tribes in that process.
11:44:16 Yeah, although we might want to do that separately to just no I wasn't necessarily suggesting that they come to the workshops that you just yeah, you you know that you commute
you know that you'll be some communications with
11:44:31 tribes about this. Yeah, Yeah, because there is that larger proposed zone that there's quite a bit of land there that is used for hunting a lot of people I know.
11:44:46 People , me, too. Yeah, that's I think especially with all of them coming up kind of at the same time.
11:44:58 It makes even more sense to communicate with tribes about this.
11:45:07 So workshop is the next step. Is that 3 separate workshops?
11:45:14 No, I mean at 2 at the most, I would say. but but could we just do it as one, and say, you know, or they could be getting a consecutive because you could have a different audience
for the gardener Theer than we
11:45:27 will for Cape George. So yeah, So it looks like the the petition for the cave, George.
11:45:35 One came. Both came from the colony i'm the same people, and they expanded their requests.
11:45:42 So we need to ask them if the larger one supersedes the smaller one.
11:45:45 Yeah, which was the march, the twentieth 22, one, the large line larger. one.
11:45:52 Okay, yeah. Well, they haven't you know there's not really a process for withdrawing the petitions.
11:46:02 So, even if it's the same people I think you have to consider them both.
11:46:09 I don't think that's terribly complex because what Kate was saying.
11:46:15 As a process you could use for the workshop or for a hearing.
11:46:18 You can sequence them any way you want in terms of the hearings, you know there's there's not a timeline on on when the hearings are required.
11:46:29 So doing this in a way that you know, saved as much resources as possible, and is a good idea.
11:46:39 It feels like the Cape George. Distinct proposals could be considered in one session.
11:46:47 Well, even one workshop where we air some of the issues, and then maybe have public comment on the separate on each separate proposal.
11:46:55 Yeah, knowing full well that we'll have to do it again in a so hearing.
11:47:03 But , Okay, We've been better informed so next up to workshops.
11:47:07 Mark, and I will i'm not suggesting an outcome at all by saying this.
11:47:11 But you, you know you could decide that the smaller one merits consideration, and the larger one does not, or vice versa.
11:47:21 In this process. What about just doing it as one workshop since it's really information gathering for all 3 Yep, and then have separate public comment on each of the 3 or something
But because we have to
11:47:33 outline that That was my initial suggestion at the beginning of this discussion.
11:47:39 So I would agree with that suggestion. Yeah, My only thinking would be that if we had 20 people plus signing petitions, and we have a meeting where all 3 are going to be discussed
at the same time.
11:47:48 We got a limitation of 19 in this room A lot would come by a zoom, though, for a lot would come by it.
11:47:57 Would we come remotely? People are passionate about how invested they are in it.
11:48:04 The more invested they are, the more likely they are to show up in person.
11:48:09 I think that's a good point we've we've had petitions, or we've had situations involving gun rights issues before, where there was a get out sort of a get out the people the
common comment where we had so
11:48:29 many people. we had to bus the meeting, so it's it's not crazy to think that people who are upset about this will get a bunch of people to show up, and there was speculation
about one of those situations where the purpose was
11:48:47 to bus meeting. So if so, just just trying to get my crystal ball out.
11:48:54 But if Covid came, cases are right i'm considerations right will we continue to do hybrid meetings?
11:49:04 If Covid cases continue to rise, might we go back to virtual format meetings? or can we elect to have a virtual hearing on this issue?
11:49:13 So more people can attend a special meeting yep because it's you know, like gardener is farther away.
11:49:22 So, and at least. keep George is characterized by retired folks who are older and probably more concerned about you know, being in a room full of people.
11:49:39 I'm just trying to think about what other variables might be in the the recipe here, so we could just have a virtual special meeting workshop on this issue, for these 3 sites.
11:49:56 3 proposals. 2 sites right and the governor Hasn't resented the state of emergency.
11:50:05 Correct fill not to my knowledge but it's to be honest.
11:50:14 It's been a couple of weeks since I looked for sure but I haven't heard anything.
11:50:18 I think we would heard something yeah i've been i've been tracking the ones he's he's rescinded, and they've they've been you know university online courses for foreigners.
11:50:29 And yes, I am I also haven't heard anything I think we would Hmm.
11:50:33 So it sounds like our next step. Our desired next step is still a workshop.
11:50:39 On all 3 proposals, 2 sites, and potentially having it being a special virtual workshop.
11:50:47 Yep, and maybe we could do it in the evening, so working people could attend.
11:50:52 Yep: Yep: And maybe a few weeks out. So we have some yeah time to not put too much pressure on staff, and we can do a little footwork or ourselves.
11:51:04 Yeah. So just make Monday an extra one day or have it on a day other than Monday, i'm fine with an extra long Monday.
11:51:17 Okay, 6 o'clock I don't know we're pretty exhausted at the end of a Monday. I think we'd set ourselves up for a little more success doing it another day.
11:51:25 Another day. Okay, okay, we got it right, Mark. We do. Thanks. Thank you.
11:51:40 So no action on the no shooting area items for today.
11:51:49 Just discussion and a plan to have a workshop within the next month.
11:51:56 These 3 proposals to areas. So anything else on no shooting.
11:52:04 Before we close this discussion. Nope: Okay, Okay. it's 10 to 12.
11:52:13 Do we want to break early? and coming back at 1 30 Good afternoon.
11:52:20 There's Carolyn. Hi! Oh, thank you for my yes, I did.
11:52:26 I forgot. Okay, we have a one more. We have a locked on.
11:52:30 Item to consider, hoping to get it by the lunch and I just totally forgot.
11:52:38 Let's see this is from the chamber they Let's see they're changing is a client for a grant.
11:52:52 Sure letter on screen. Yeah, I have it i've been this Coronavirus panelists. Oh, no it's it's fine. Don't worry.
11:53:00 I'll just I can lean in please scounded your microphone.
11:53:07 No happy to share. Thank you, purchase there thank you I Couldn't figure that out like not even the afternoon.
11:53:21 Yet all right. so i'm going to here my screen can I see it.
11:53:39 This? Was it based on a template rural tourism support program?
11:53:53 First. I think you gotta get along more head-on. And who are they applying to?
11:54:00 They are fine to. I have to check my email Rts program tourism support program.
11:54:17 Have some information on that program you see about applying for it.
11:54:24 I appreciate if you can't make go ahead it took me a minute to find it.
11:54:30 No, I just i they're really I I like the the approach that the Chamber is taking, and really kind of getting into spreading our tourism off those shoulders seasons which has
been the priority and even into the you know winter months.
11:54:50 And everything. We have no problem getting people here in the summertime.
11:54:55 But our local businesses would really benefit from more more tourism in the off-season definitely remind me of the port of provincialists. Executive director's name to the emails
from is it colleen no board I
11:55:13 can, and I agreed to be on their stakeholder group as well able to find it easily.
11:56:20 I know, included things like advertising to see Tag.
11:56:32 The Washington State project there's. only one or 2 awards this year, remaining organizations that are approved will automatically be submitted for the 23 grants.
11:56:39 Yeah. State Washington tourism. keep that state of Washington tourism seeking applicants for rural tourism support.
11:57:08 Do we have a tourism office again, but the state that get offended again.
11:57:15 It's still limping along Wta. Okay, that was a trade organization.
11:57:27 Tourism Association was a trade so used to be the the office of I was under commerce. Commerce Was that a slide show?
11:57:38 I can go through real quick. Okay. my screen again. let's take silly t state of Washington tourism sites washing to tourism alliance.
11:58:10 So what are we trying to do right now? If we want to know, See whether we can.
11:58:15 They need to let her buy lunchtime today if we want to know.
11:58:19 Yeah, $30,000 in potential Grant funds. So do we have any objections to sending the center.
11:58:33 I do not can imagine. Okay, did you have a question or i'm?
11:58:42 Not just gonna see the purpose of the phones were and chasing solutions like right across the bay project.
11:58:50 And and yeah, you know, getting more people on on multimodal transport into Oh, great
11:59:00 Back to my microphone, hey? Sorry. Let me flash greg Yeah, no.
11:59:04 It sounds like It's sensitive to the concerns of over tourism that you mentioned.
11:59:09 You know, seasons, and so just want to be sure that it's they were sending a consistent message.
11:59:15 So if I like that, it's including alternative forms of transportation and getting people out of their cars, So Yep,
11:59:27 Is there a motion to support sending this letter i'll move that we send the letter that I shared to support this grant application by the Chamber of Congress.
11:59:38 I'll second all in favor. Hi, okay, letter to email route or how do you find if we can get it on letterhead and sent Arlene Allen.
11:59:53 Okay, So that so it sounds like Washington tourism. Alliance is now state of Washington tourism, but it is still a corporation, not a State agency.
12:00:04 It is, serves as the official destination marketing organization for the State of Washington, though, just to complicate things.
12:00:10 Yeah, they did a couple of funds. Yes, maybe a combination of both.
12:00:16 Thank you for remembering that nice work team, hey? Well, then it's noon.
12:00:25 I will recess us until 1 30. We do go right into 2 executive sessions right, and we will be going into 2 executive sessions, so we will not be with you on the interwebs at 1
30 to at
12:00:39 least 2 10. Yeah, we may be back at 210.
12:00:43 So if you want to monitor the meeting, I would suggest checking back in around 2 with a cup of coffee and 10Â min of whirl.
13:32:08 Now some details here. the Okay, i'm ready we haven't That was the first of those bacteria.
13:32:26 Are we ready? Ready Questions: Okay. It is 132 sorry we're a couple of minutes late.
13:32:33 We had. we'll change a plan for afternoon session but we are here, and i'm calling us back into order.
13:32:40 The April the eighteenth meeting of the Jefferson County Board of Commissioners.
13:32:46 We will immediately going into executive session, with our county administrator, chief, civil deputy, prosecuting attorney.
13:32:56 That's the deputy pressing prosecuting Attorney 3 and department of community Development director regarding potential litigation exemption is outlined in the open public meetings.
13:33:09 Act. Rcw. 42, dot 30, that 1 10 parentheses, one parentheses.
14:05:49 Then I guess I think it's go into the zoom itself.
14:06:11 Okay, holding on everybody. Technology canortions today, dear. Okay, i'm coming out of executive session.
14:06:33 With our Well, we're going back into executive session with our County administrator, Chief civil W.
14:06:44 Prosecuting Attorney Deputy, prosecuting attorney, 3 and Department of Community Development director. Regarding potential litigation.
14:06:52 Exemption is outlined in the open Public Meetings Act, Rcw.
14:06:56 42, dot, 30, dot, 1 10 parentheses, one parentheses.
14:07:02 I going to extend this executive session for 20Â min from 207 to 2, 27, just mark sparks and the matrices on the computer?
14:30:07 Now can you hear me now? yeah, no don't 'cause she's unmuted?
14:30:15 Can you hear me? Okay, So we are coming out of executive session, and i'm going to extend for another 10Â min from 2, 30 to 240, we're going back into executive session with
14:30:29 our County administrator, chief, civil deputy, prosecuting Attorney Deputy crossing, keep prosecuting Attorney 3 and department of Community Development director regarding potential
litigation exemption is
14:30:43 outlined, and the open Public Meetings Act, Rcw.
14:30:48 42, dot, 3110 parentheses, one parentheses.
14:31:04 I think that was me. I think I I got Abc. We missed the vote on that executive session.
14:41:44 Okay, We have to wait for A B to come on. right.
14:41:49 Sorry, Caroline. One: Okay. you're fun still the exact session.
14:42:07 Okay, So we are coming out of executive session, and we will not be extending.
14:42:12 But in fact, we will be going into another executive session immediately with our county administrator and chief civil deputy, prosecuting attorney regarding actual litigation.
14:42:25 Exemption is outlined in the open Public Meetings Act.
14:42:28 Our Cw. 4230, point, 1 10, the parentheses, one parentheses eye.
14:42:35 We will be going in at 2, 42, and coming out at 250.
14:55:30 2. Yeah, I already changing the other one here, tough one.
14:55:34 But okay, so are we good now. So we are coming out of executive session with our chief county administrator and chief civil deputy prosecutor, attorney, and we will be taking
no action and so we will return
14:55:50 to the regular agenda, which the next item on the regular agenda is continued.
14:55:57 Discussion and potential action regarding site control of Caswell Brown, Village phase 2 A.
14:56:02 We are join Vibrant Butler, our director of the Department of Community Development, and, I believe, cherish and Cape will be playing as as well.
14:56:12 You have to accept the approach of the panelists. Did you hear that?
14:56:15 You need to accept your promotional panelists. So it really warm in here, Not especially right now.
14:56:28 Okay, remember? Oh, and i'll put the finger gallery view on the David capture.
14:57:03 We capture this gallery View Zoom gallery free stuff on this one. Gotcha.
14:57:09 Okay. are parish, Are you here in this panel?
14:57:22 I can't see them The pan strategy and Then caffeine's there as your videos are.
14:57:33 Okay, Are we ready to go, Brent? Are you in? Oh,
14:57:40 Does he need to get in? No, I guess okay speaker for my presentation and I This is one of the where present present present presentation from presentation.
14:57:59 Or so we've been doing this a little way before?
14:58:03 Okay, Okay, So who is going to lead off this discussion? I can lead out the presentation, Craig.
14:58:09 I wanted to thank the Commissioners and Brannie you need to speak to the microphone.
14:58:14 At least that's what they tell me I wanted to thank The commissioners of this is our third session on a consecutive Monday to discuss the site control issues surrounding a casual
gram I have a prepared beef
14:58:32 gender request out mining some of the pros and cons, and that were discussed.
14:58:42 And I thought I would start off just by going those pros and cons.
14:58:48 As always, there will be things that have been on men. So I really appreciate your input.
14:58:54 And to keep that off I thought that the best approach would be to identify it.
14:59:00 Through our discussion we've seen 3 different options for the establishing of site control. option.
14:59:08 One is leasing option. 2 is a leasing of the purchase option, and then option.
14:59:15 3 is a purchase and sell outbreak so i'm going to start with at least outlined some of the proof times, and but as always, please interrupt me if you see something that's been
so one of
14:59:34 the first pros and i'm looking at a table on pathways, forward side control.
14:59:42 Do you want to share your screen? You make me Okay, Well, , , , , , , , , , , Thank you.
15:00:08 So the first one leasing looking at is the pros.
15:00:17 And so in the first box i've identified that Lisa does provide side control necessary for financing.
15:00:25 Now I wanted to add how we? because that would necessitate that we understand what the conditions are that the funding agency may apply.
15:00:39 So they would need to some discussions with finding the project to make sure that release as well.
15:00:47 That could be drafted in such ways not to include future financing.
15:00:55 And do we quit it? right we're talking about a finance?
15:00:59 How do we trust fund or look? How did that kind of external funding that that's correct.
15:01:04 We're talking external fund. that what are some of the other pros leasing?
15:01:16 Does mean that the ownership of the county will not conclude us from more comprehensive planning, and I identify what is comprehensive planning being one of them requires a
coordination with the city
15:01:39 of Port Townsend and a marathon this is here is that typically world counties do not create blocks, but walk over the blocks.
15:01:53 There's questions about burning design characteristics if in fact, what is Jason?
15:02:02 That Buddy, the city limit, is to eventually become part of the city.
15:02:08 Typically coordination with city importancement would help inform that type of of a new plant that would resolve the one below that fiscal plan, as is always a concern with
cities and counties that city.
15:02:37 Let it. The members of the city are frequently unlike the city of port.
15:02:47 Thousands in that. Our city limit is Co-terminus.
15:02:52 With our urban growth. factory limit in many other communities the urban growth boundary is more expensive than the city limits, and in that type of situation the city will
identify where additional hairs will be added and when if it's done
15:03:17 equitably that consideration would result in a profit share, or where the equity in terms of the income that a new annexation generates is share.
15:03:38 And so one of the benefits of the song is that there's a potential for more.
15:03:45 Collaboration, how we look at the fiscal change that would occur!
15:03:53 And when I say that some of the worst pieces that i've seen are really helped, inform what a government might consider to be a concern, and then I should always point out what
is the worst case. scenario is that municipality spends tens of millions
15:04:09 of dollars on the project that is acquired through annexation by another party.
15:04:17 Yeah, an example of that in Park County was with City. Vancouver did a very odd shape.
15:04:21 Then it'sition to take a costume and a home depot at a number of restaurants and spirit malls depriving the county to 2,000,000 in sales tax revenue every year.
15:04:34 And they were not inclined to cooperate for share so that's worst case.
15:04:40 So through fiscal planning back to me.
15:04:45 Avoid it can be an agreement range events another area is strategic planning. And when I wrote strategic planning here it's someone has started, and that's looking at what what
are the overall long-term
15:05:03 objectives of the needs of all of the different edges within the cabinet.
15:05:10 Are any of the lands that we want potentially a site for one of the departments.
15:05:19 For for example, I move auditors office is now housed in the building in the porch, or part of the partisan part of the fire zone.
15:05:30 So So that is a part of what we do. Capital planning identify.
15:05:35 Well, what are the growth needs? What are the spaces? and are they adequate?
15:05:42 And what I see now, he said, if the daughter's office for example, had to outsource for additional space.
15:05:49 This is shorter for space. I have heard this about 3 or 4 apartments, and so the cannibal planning informs that process.
15:05:58 You see. Well, some of the land that we know couldn't meet some of the the needs we have for a government county
15:06:08 And then the next item I have is middle closure, planning
15:06:12 And I want to make sure that I am not forecast.
15:06:16 A male closure that's I wanted to make sure that that.
15:06:20 But we have to recognize that sometimes things that we don't wish for occur.
15:06:27 Don't have no clothes for the 20 year process to to rejuvenate that site, and so it's good to have an understanding of what the community would like to see in the event of closure,
and that could be identified
15:06:43 in in our zoning upon closure the men, so that there can be no permits that are vested before the communities had a same as to what they like to see.
15:06:58 And then the next one is some area master planning. And so when I sneeze that and I put them together, subarium plant is small, is just the master plan.
15:07:08 You identify what like to see where It could be as complicated, or I should say, as comprehensive as to look at what many communities do is what they call fiscal zoning.
15:07:28 He has a need for certain types of income generation in this area and in the city of East Palo Alto, for example, that city recognize the need to pay the police force to pay
for certain very costly poems that we had averted area
15:07:50 of land which generate them. and so we would love to see what could be the best in terms of tax generation.
15:08:01 To offset to offset the needs of the team.
15:08:07 And so Fiscal Zone would look at that.
15:08:09 Typically we would present to you types of performance standards.
15:08:13 What we would like to see to generate income, and that would that live in the udc that could live and zoning to the Uga page shape it could live in the Udc.
15:08:32 As well, Yes, didn't answer your question so that there's a couple of places.
15:08:38 I can see that and the sub area of planning, and I was trying to highlight that it covers a wide variety.
15:08:52 And then I wanted to highlight one comment that did a care up here, and that is really by leasing the land.
15:09:02 The county has continued ownership. there are issues that arise out of continued ownership.
15:09:08 I remember almost unfortunately, how Jefferson County lost all stands with naep harvested by a legal harnessing
15:09:25 And is those types of issues that we may not wish to see occur.
15:09:30 We would have to extend resources to ensure that that doesn't occur.
15:09:36 If someone is hurt accessing the site. albeit and be unauthorized there's a question of what it is.
15:09:46 The county's liability if we don't own this site those questions are not much. have to worry about now.
15:09:54 I'm going to move to the next one lease purchase option.
15:09:59 This is the the first at the top provides side control That's the same component that, and we would need to find out what are the traders for the housing trust fund for cash
credits to to end the in that
15:10:20 shorter period that would be the least term. and depending upon the length of the lease it may still enable many of the areas of planning that I outlined.
15:10:35 And so that's a question that you would need to put to gather the time for the planning.
15:10:43 And what is planning? The Board considered the most important, and then
15:10:50 It would lead to that liability only during the least phase so once it's so.
15:11:02 And then the last issue. The last option is purchasing them right out, and that provides for immediate site.
15:11:10 Control. It also immediately decreases the Chinese liability because anything can happen on the site.
15:11:17 That we don't know we have no concerns about it Brandon.
15:11:20 There's a a big pro for that one I didn't get on the list, and that's the yeah provides that short-term funding. It feels the short-term funding gap we have for phase 2 and
15:11:32 that's a pretty great one to kind of con both the others Well, on the first one, but I mean we're sure that short term, you know we first purchase option I don't think we fast
enough to yeah
15:11:42 that's thank you So the proceeds from the sale would be reinvested in the great and then the only per. The only car I saw in that was that it may preclude.
15:11:59 Comprehensive planning identify Now there are other issues that I did not cover here, and I just wanted to.
15:12:10 And this terms: This means that what of the vehicles by which the site could be used?
15:12:21 And it really depends on whether or not the site is confined with the base song in death.
15:12:30 And so, if it is in conformance with the base sony density purchase and sale agreement, could go forward.
15:12:42 If it is not in conformance, it would need to be provided to conform for purchasing sales when you can do a purchase and say a great contingent on zoning competitively.
15:12:59 Right. Psa: Yes, you could I think I mean There's lots of different conditions. You can put in a Psa.
15:13:08 Yes, yeah, like we did with 7 pages with regards to release purchase option.
15:13:18 It might give us an additional amount of time to investigate the Okay.
15:13:27 Thank you. and so option 2 and I must point out that there was a strike type of, so I should have the options in the first part.
15:13:35 They're not aligned actually so i'm gonna call them out by whether or not it is a purchase and sale a lease purchase option or a lease.
15:13:45 So it's clear and so looking at solely of lease
15:13:54 There are some options. One of them is a binding site plan.
15:14:00 But then again, we still need to ensure that we're had in form the zoning conformance with Yes, the base density, and that also is concern when you're looking at the purchase
and
15:14:22 sale the only area that we would see that not really it's you can make the lease boundaries alternatives with the base density.
15:14:36 Yeah. and then we have a little more flexible. And so at that championship I am going to pass the baton back to the board, as I showed.
15:14:48 There are some questions, and I should also say you know would you have i'll only cap available.
15:14:59 Also wish to win. Please come out. Come out of this with a decision correct of action.
15:15:06 Yeah. Is there a chairs? Do you want to Do you want to talk to?
15:15:17 Only cats preferred path forward. Can you go on him?
15:15:24 Yeah, you know, I mean, you know, Kathy, if you feel the sorry you guys getting feedback.
15:15:34 Okay, that's fine I know there's still some people, Kathy, if you feel that there's something that you do. you want to talk about it from I end, you know. filling filling the
gap obviously I mean is nice
15:15:52 but take a liability is also to be a So you know, I I think the thanks that stop the feedback.
15:16:12 So it's it's difficult to say and I really you know you all are the ones that you know have invested in this and entrusted us to go forward with your goals and aspirations and
mind and so I think
15:16:30 just thinking about. you know what what gets us to that point what's, you know, in the best interest of the county and the and the people that we're trying to serve the work.
15:16:44 We're trying to do and the However, you you all feel that is best intentions and done, you know we're here to serve essentially so.
15:16:51 I don't, don't necessarily want to have a strong agenda per se.
15:16:57 Kathy, did you want to weigh in so either?
15:16:59 3 of the options would work for us, trying to go for the housing.
15:17:05 Trust fund. We just have to have set control in the path forward.
15:17:10 As Cherish said, it would not help with the funding gap.
15:17:16 If we just went with the lease, and not with the purchase.
15:17:21 But all 3 options would get us to where we need to be.
15:17:30 I am, in case if we can go back to a more detailed scenario and see where it might fit in some water, and guessing potentially 2 of these, but not the third
15:17:42 So if you know, we talked about the idea of saving that highway frontage.
15:17:49 Began thinking about. You know you know the that would potentially be very valuable land. We kind of like you want to see commercial been on in the future.
15:18:02 So if we wanted to do that, that would require either releasing or at least purchase options, that we could do pretty significant, confident amendments that would allow for
that right.
15:18:14 We have changed it so many taking general time, you can specify the length of the lease period before the purchase option.
15:18:25 We can come to data home, be a negative 5 years out, which would give us time to do those things correct.
15:18:33 And I would point out that, and one of the things I didn't mention presentation.
15:18:40 But it may have found an earlier one is the the buffer requirements on highway time. Right?
15:18:47 I was gonna I was gonna remind us of that so one of the areas of concern has been that, we do have compliant policies.
15:18:55 They're talking about a forested buffer 5050 feet, and and I believe that goes to 2 reasons.
15:19:03 Why is that? The access to a lot of the businesses often come off with a major road like sea come in?
15:19:13 Or are there other rules like that? and one of the concerns that I've been stayed quite appointedly?
15:19:21 Is how over years the the time from here to like the dangerous island ferry, and these having lots of should activity on highway, may 20 that if you could control that it's
really I want you here to discuss that But there are some questions
15:19:41 about, you know, increasing the length of time I Do Recall that you're a predecessor of Kate.
15:19:49 Phil Johnson was strongly concerned about how the fire had increased the level of time to get to the named ferries.
15:20:01 And so that's just a consideration that there are others for medicine buffer that I would have to do that or discuss someone in the policy. And let's say that eventually the
buffer is consistent with trail use
15:20:16 also, and you know others will talk about moving the trail to different part of the property.
15:20:21 But if we it could be compatible with that, and I just kind of out of you know, Have a picture for use, anyway.
15:20:29 Why not keep a trailer in a forested buffer?
15:20:33 That seems very consistent. I heard so greg because you're the one closer to this.
15:20:39 Yeah, What what's your take on the 3 options it seems like the most expeditious is the well, the Psa.
15:20:47 Gets it gets at filling the the gap. as you said, I mean, I am committed on the project.
15:20:55 Why I think that we need to find funding I think that I guess i'm afraid that a the purchase which I came in pretty in favor of because of the non-informing if it doesn't need
the underlying
15:21:09 zoning requirements would not be a quick and please. Cathy, or cherish. Correct me if i'm wrong, I don't think it would necessarily be a quick land acquisition.
15:21:19 So with still so much in the air, you know, brents presentation rate more questions than for my advance. Of course there's lots of opportunities here, and so I guess right now
I would probably say we should just release the areas that
15:21:34 are under that are in phase 2 and phase and phase one and phase 3 with the same 2 areas, plus the road.
15:21:44 And, you know, commit to helping them fund the the rest of the project.
15:21:48 That, as I said, we asked for and we're supporting it is a different thing.
15:21:54 You know, and whether that's you know we can take it to the House of Fun Board, or we look for other funding.
15:22:00 But I guess I would right now, with the amount of variables, favor a least of the areas in question, the price will still preserving our options.
15:22:10 But also committing to finding funding for that Now, the entire yeah face to face. June may not shoot me. Yeah, through 2 A.
15:22:21 And then that's just allowing. them access to this gets them we'll give it them site control so giving them sufficient size site control with the lease.
15:22:32 So maybe that needs a, you know, 40 year lease for those 2 bits of the parcel, but it still preserves our options down the line as we go through compound elements of the years
long process that the strategic planning would
15:22:42 take that it doesn't react the line deposition program funding well, I've been on Chathy, and if my am I right in that?
15:22:52 The lack of gruity with zoning is going to make the land acquisition more challenging than than you guys have thought.
15:22:59 Yes, and so we have a year from the time we make application to the housing trust to be able to figure out.
15:23:13 We only need to know that for late average banana, whether you were talking specifically about 9% correct.
15:23:25 So when we were in our meeting, we did talk about that and as long as we have a path forward, it's not going to slow us down.
15:23:35 It's either way. the only thing I can say about if we do the least purchase is, if we do the least purchase like 7 pavement. that's great.
15:23:46 But if we do a lease now and a purchase 5 years down the road, well, we've just lost our funding slot, because that would be included in the funding. That we would be asking
for my medical system.
15:24:04 Did that answer your question? Yes, it didn't clarify things. But well, we did talk that it was gonna take a while to come up with the correct funding. but Corby and Charlie,
our developers were confident that as long
15:24:19 as we have that path forward, knowing what we were going to be doing, it would not slow us down.
15:24:27 Yeah, as far as hiring into the farm work right? What kind of timing would you anticipate to to if we had a vision of where we hope to get to with this parcel in terms of getting
resounding
15:24:46 appropriate for the taxi uses that we're interested in how long did you have to escape that taking
15:24:54 That's a really good question because the the problem that which is only that you know this is zoom one to 20.
15:25:06 Do I? When do I need for 20 ages and for the tiger abuse that's proposed we'd have to be created to identify What would need to occur?
15:25:18 And so this is typically a type of comprehensive plan mentioned over a unified park and unified development.
15:25:26 To accomplish it. can that be done in an annual drop?
15:25:30 It. We are going to the board. excuse me the Commission this Wednesday, and we could identify this as well as the other item as items that the boy has chosen that should move
forward for consideration and if you
15:25:48 call the sport didn't make the decision that projects that advance affordable housing, so it could be in this annual cycle.
15:26:01 Yes, that's promising. so I know these guys have to leave in 4Â min.
15:26:08 They have an interview with a candidate it's exciting so Do we?
15:26:13 Are you prepared to make a motion, Greg Well, I don't know.
15:26:18 Yeah, I mean, What do you? What do you think? Have you ever heard of your your tape on it?
15:26:23 I was leaning towards the lease. option but I I needed to hear this continued discussion today.
15:26:30 I still think that that's a good path forward I mean we so not not least the whole large parcel, but only that portion of which is required to facilitate to a and 3, which is
1 1 one to 3 to facilitate the whole project for in terms of the
15:26:49 lease. But yeah, we've not built the exact footprint of that. we have that drawn out.
15:26:59 But I don't know I mean what do you guys think about the finding.
15:27:01 Yeah, you can't move forward with you getting the subject you don't have enough to finish to a here there isn't another short-term funding solution.
15:27:14 So are we going to stop and and we're at you know serious risk of losing 45% of our our revenue sharing by act of Congress.
15:27:26 So our you know, whatever slush money we've had is quickly disappearing.
15:27:34 So do we have any idea about that gap is? Yeah, It was 874,000.
15:27:41 I mean but 500 that covered a little bit of the other too.
15:27:47 I mean I think it's you know 500,000 that we need to pick.
15:27:53 Then, I think, would be an ideal application of the $1590.
15:27:58 But that's not hours to I mean all of those our signature, but it's a collaborative process to get there, but I think it would be a excellent use.
15:28:08 I think there would be some perception community that were.
15:28:12 Oh, he gets that project sure. Go to them too, and you know I think that's, you know, optically, not going for it.
15:28:19 But what I hear them saying is they need site control They need the path forward to even think about their funding options and what they're planning for, and and they need site
control to go for money for phase 3 But they don't have
15:28:31 enough or phase twob, but they don't have enough money to finish phase 2 A. They don't have enough money to best the septic and the installation of the shower trailers that
they already have on
15:28:42 hand. So so we have those details now, because they were gonna get more information about.
15:28:46 After the 500,000. What was left so it was needed I don't know I haven't gotten any more.
15:28:55 I don't know Cathy, or or chairs you have any more.
15:29:01 The the portion that would be left after all of the excavation the septic installed.
15:29:09 We can bring the electric in the water down to the services area but we would not be able to have enough funds to put any of the utility connections to any of the sites which
means we can't bring the people down, so how much is
15:29:26 that piece of work that's all right it's gonna be the remainder of the 800.
15:29:32 If you put 500 Now, then it's gonna be roughly, 300,000, and you know Boom Okay, so we're not.
15:29:44 I am sensitive to the fact that you guys have to.
15:29:47 Are we going to get to a decision place today? On this?
15:29:52 I feel like, Thank you, good director, county administrator, to find the 300,000, and he would probably succeed in doing that.
15:30:02 Okay, Is it possible, Cathy, to operate as you have been at the Unish or the current site where where site isn't?
15:30:13 Excuse me that i've brought to every site that are essentially, you know, spread, and but still you have to shower.
15:30:25 Yeah, we could and we talked about that scenario. We could do that.
15:30:34 It's kind of a start and stop it's gonna be an increased cost once we get everybody in there to then go back and start trenching to get everything into that was the problem
that we would face with that But we
15:30:49 certainly could do that, and I wouldn't say that with our sun cost right now. this actually $300,000 opens up This held an option to another 26 week.
15:31:05 So can we make a decision today about the lease lease purchase option versus purchase option and talk about the funding, because we haven't seen the detailed additional funding
needed always I don't think it's
15:31:19 changed. I mean the numbers were pretty hard, but when we have the present the numbers are hard, they have not changed. We went back.
15:31:29 The numbers have not changed. Okay, so we can choose a pathway and say an additional 300,000, and we're good.
15:31:35 I don't want to commit ourselves to that entirely and it's part of a bigger discussion about other housing needs, but I do think we could contact the house and fun for that
1,290 process coming out We need to get an idea
15:31:51 of the Federal revenue sharing where our phone, if we need to have.
15:31:56 I want to know what you know. I want to make the decision based on what?
15:32:00 What are we sacrificed what's the opportunity cost to do this?
15:32:04 Do we have an have to fund the other projects that we have already committed to?
15:32:10 Should we continue this discussion until next week? Because now these guys are late, I think we should continue on nothing. that is better on the I think we have the information,
and I appreciate Mark saying that you know we could direct the guide administrator
15:32:24 to to kind of wrestle us with his dollars somewhere.
15:32:27 Well, in the least. I mean We've we've been working us to get the lease moving.
15:32:31 We can do that and we're committed and have a number of options, but we still have a lot of variables. I mean at minimum.
15:32:38 Can the county administrator be given the power to start to negotiate the potential lease agreement? Yeah.
15:32:48 And if a purchase option is to be added later, we can modify the least agreement that to incorporate a purchase option.
15:32:56 Okay, So maybe that that option 2 is what we should pursue we' with possible purchase.
15:33:01 Yeah. doesn't mean you have to sell it i'll move that we authorize the county administrator to to negotiate a lease with possible purchase options fully cap for the the cable
brown village
15:33:16 property. if I know i'll second all in favor hi and the right direction to look at potential i'll make that motion.
15:33:27 I wanted to make it separate, so we make sure to get that first one.
15:33:32 Thank you. It doesn't need emotional I mean it sounds like we're gonna all work on.
15:33:38 Yeah, I'm looking for yeah anthony bushes.
15:33:41 Okay, Thank you. everybody. Thank you. Thank you. Serious point. Yeah. I got surprised by it this morning. Thanks.
15:33:52 You guys this time. is the first I can't see who's in the legacy that they're wanting grinders.
15:34:12 Yes, and yes, , , , , , , , , , , See right now.
15:34:21 That. Yeah, those are the only today, and this cherish came with out Sorry that was rushed a little bit.
15:34:32 That's all I knew that they were really need to go to that yeah got where we needed to be.
15:34:38 I mean, I I still think we would cost the opportunity cost of not doing it would be pretty significant as well.
15:34:45 Yeah, yeah, I think does everybody have Oh, yeah, spreadsheet.
15:34:53 And recalling this year and our mind being a gesture.
15:34:58 Sure. thank you. Not sure if mine is accepting the panel.
15:35:03 So if he just wants to remain, and the tinemati do you want?
15:35:07 Do not want to be credited to panelists you can jump in and press that hands.
15:35:12 I'll know not that to us. and many of these projects on the capital and instruction needs list are homework related projects may have not, like again breaks.
15:35:37 Yeah. So that makes sense to have your leadership in subject matter knowledge with us, as we have share their success.
15:35:42 One, and then I would love Kate and he us the tens of way.
15:35:50 You know about funding at this point, and your conversation that you had about the revenue sharing money in.
15:35:59 I heard a little bit about everyone is i'm going to the document, too sorry.
15:36:19 Thank you. No, it's not popping up there it is I have it open definitely.
15:36:43 All right. Is anyone joining us? Caroline gathered.
15:36:50 Monty, New York online. Okay, great so I actually was not prepared to direct this discussion.
15:37:00 So i'm sorry i'm a little bit disjointed here.
15:37:02 But the reason I asked for this workshop is because I want us to start planning for the May 19 by 2 key meeting to be prepared.
15:37:14 Speak to our priorities for infrastructure funding.
15:37:18 There is a surprising lack of solid information available to us about various infrastructure founding pots.
15:37:28 That is, and heard a lot about this in Dc. last week.
15:37:34 So a few things we alluded to the our Federal revenue sharing funds the Senate.
15:37:41 U.s.a. voted to cut those by 45%. The House has so far refused to consider that.
15:37:50 But it is being used as a bargaining chip for 2 things on the Democrat side.
15:37:57 They want funding for Covid response to be returned.
15:38:00 So, for example, Medicaid coverage of code testing and some of treatment were eliminated test kits for the public masks for the public.
15:38:13 All of those were not passed in the omnibus.
15:38:14 So Democrats are wanting that's to be put back into the budget, And And so the the Republicans said, Well, then, you have to give up the Federal revenue of sharing funds even
though that's already been signed into law,
15:38:28 so it would be a claw back and the Republicans are saying they are willing to disregarded callback if the Democrats are willing to come to the table more on immigration.
15:38:43 So it's totally unrelated. topics that are holding hostage to You know what is probably to over $2,000,000 of the funds that we thought were coming and snow already outocated
to some degree as a
15:39:00 spreadsheet here shows another frustration and complication is that the infrastructure of package has been very, very slow in having role writing done and released.
15:39:14 So only us department of transportation funds have have been released so far.
15:39:23 And there's just a high level, of frustration that treasury is taking so long or in individual agencies are taking so on to do role writing.
15:39:33 And so it's it's, largely unknown how a lot of these pro funny programs are going to work in some cases that is less burdensome to us.
15:39:46 For example, if we were to seek funding for the sewer, we know that those are actually going to be passed through through existing programs.
15:39:54 But some of these projects that we might choose to prioritize would be oriented just said that we don't know how and where those funds are going to flow through.
15:40:07 So that's kind of an update on where we are and what we know.
15:40:12 Happy to answer any questions, or maybe others know more this well That's great.
15:40:19 Okay. So my My hope is that we go into the Icg meeting and may nineteenth, with a prioritized list of funding list of projects.
15:40:38 Some sense of amount needed funding sources many that's that's been planning work for us to be doing, anyway, and we certainly plan to do a longer-term infrastructure chemical
assets plan in the near
15:40:55 future, but also I think it's really important that we identify where it's overlap with other jurisdictions.
15:41:03 And so that we can start working together i'm planning for those.
15:41:07 And then also that work we're prepared when these agencies. do come out with their funding streams that it's it's going to be competitive. we're losing time. right now.
15:41:17 So it's probably going to be a quicker turnaround on them.
15:41:21 And so I think, giving some thought to what we would like to see coming for is going to be time well spent now that we're better prepared moving forward
15:41:36 So i'm American i've met on this topic a couple of times.
15:41:42 That's where the spreadsheet came from he took it to the department director's, who further populated it with the details.
15:41:48 Here. and it is, I would say, currently not in any order or any right other than that level of urgency.
15:41:58 You see listed there. it's one of the criteria. we're open to adding things to this, you know. this could be the first of a number of conversations that just think it's important
that Mark is part of
15:42:09 this conversation ultimately, and probably some other department directors as well.
15:42:16 So this is a first attempt at trying to organize our needs and plans.
15:42:23 That list after trails there. is i'll just i'll keep falling into doing here.
15:42:33 So what is our goal today? One thing i'm writing to our columns or categories of information that should be added to this list to greater. You have a multi cured amount needed
and overlap with other
15:42:47 jurisdictions, not just partners, but specific overlapping priorities.
15:42:51 If we can identify those things like that very useful, estimated, possible, might be it right.
15:42:58 Here we have that well, it's decimated cross minus the amount Security is the amount needed.
15:43:07 So with the from how that sewer we've got 5,000,000 secure.
15:43:12 So there's 9,000,000 needed, estimated when these are all pretty rough estimates of this. but in some cases we know exactly how much we have secured, and with all of these projects
most well yeah, I would say, all you know
15:43:37 construction costs are very unpredictable war in that.
15:43:39 So they're estimating past high in deference to resin construction costs and supply chain issues. labor issues.
15:43:52 So but I would say things like also categories of priority, like, What do these projects get at like?
15:44:02 For example, the port. How about swearing housing and That's a priority to all of our government partners who are challenged with housing?
15:44:13 I mean. would that be like complimental alignment is that we're?
15:44:18 Yeah, Yeah, I guess conference of planning alignment.
15:44:20 That would be maybe not a good. Yeah. Yeah, many. It may be good to be some explicit about our our priorities.
15:44:33 Preserving what we have. we set a building that needs tens of millions of dollars.
15:44:41 Fair work that we currently don't have a plan for planning for climate change will be another.
15:44:48 The , layer lens basic surrogate services to the residents of the county, like solid based and sewer management sewage.
15:45:00 I'm trying to increase my concerning that there's accept acceptance of the waste issues that we all take for granted.
15:45:11 But I think we will quickly come to see that all of these are priority run through one of these filters or another, for maybe today we should focus on going through this work.
15:45:24 Should I need one little bit. yeah and so far as we're able, or that not community with us from facilities. so those will not be well represented.
15:45:37 And i'm going to do Uncle monty and eric and here?
15:45:41 Who's you know we can we can prioritize any number of these projects.
15:45:47 But the truth is, you guys are pretty darn maxed out and busy with the but the first few for the first 4 or 5 projects on this list here.
15:46:01 So we'll be sure you open it up to to you Monty and Eric, and talk a little bit about priorities and public works, and what you'd like to see. you know.
15:46:13 I guess, too kind of what? What kind of support do you want from the board?
15:46:18 In thinking about projects moving ahead. What are your priorities? Well, this is Monty.
15:46:27 And why is that echo coming through, or you some kind to ask Maggie you?
15:46:40 Oh, is that okay? There we go. You hear me. Yeah, Well, you know the port, hadlog sewer.
15:46:50 We've talked about we'll be briefing the board on this assume, anyway.
15:46:56 But as high as you mentioned, we have about 25,000,000 already, and we have, you know, we're pursuing additional congratulate directed funding through cantwell and kilmer's
offices well
15:47:14 as targeting an ecology grant this fall that will Well, the combination of those 2 would hopefully get us close at 34,000,000 The county's already committed 1.9 in arpa, money
which is needed on This
15:47:33 obviously additional county funds could always help. We have plenty of money at $25,000,000 to get this project underway.
15:47:45 Really the additional funds would go towards extending the collection system to all of the neighborhoods within the initial sewer services.
15:47:57 Area. You know the cost cost Construction costs are dynamic right now, and you know we're narrowing it down.
15:48:06 But until you bid a project you don't know exactly what it will cost.
15:48:13 As she saw in the jump project recently. So but we are going to put that contract out in multiple phases. So like, I said, we'll be able to start construction on the sewer treatment
plant and definitely get that completed and some of the
15:48:31 collection systems. So again, it's just about how fast and how far we can get everyone connected.
15:48:39 So, you know I think we have pretty good plan there.
15:48:43 I mean grants aren't a certainty until you get them. But, you know, and I would keep you're options are thinking open to whether the county could commit any additional funds
on that project.
15:49:00 But you know we do have and I didn't even mention usda.
15:49:05 We've got to have some discussions with them as well about whether they could find part of this project.
15:49:13 Anyway. that's probably enough on the sewer it's this kind of awkward because I can't hear you guys.
15:49:22 I'm just talking into a void here so I don't know.
15:49:27 Maybe if you want to turn your mic back on or something or next, they can't hear.
15:49:34 Can you hear us now that I can hear you now? Yeah, I can hear you now, So do the ceiling.
15:49:44 Mates not pick up
15:49:49 Okay, I don't think I mean I think we all all agree that this we're not up here as a huge clarity at this point, so that's nor we're all focused on that together it's just when
15:50:02 you get to a list of 25 items on it.
15:50:04 How do you prioritize the brother down the list? And we just talked to a long conversation about casual Brown, which is down here at the bottom?
15:50:16 This was just important, and priority ranking, which is very best.
15:50:22 I can knock off, you know, the next one, as it says, over in that far right column 274,000 would be adequate again.
15:50:32 This is not the cost of the I mean there's if we just want to talk about the current project.
15:50:40 It's not 7.9,000,000 error to the costs here a little bit better.
15:50:46 But you know we're not looking for millions of dollars to support that project, Eric.
15:50:51 Do you want to chime in on that? And the existing logical?
15:50:57 . I hit that echo, too. The existing budget is about $5.
15:51:03 Thanks, Kate. 5.3,000,000. We have that Rco.
15:51:09 Grant for about 2 point, 2,000,000. Then we accepted that additional 1 point: $4,000,000 Grant from Portangelist and Rco.
15:51:17 Funds to match that we needed 473 I don't need to get into all these details.
15:51:24 We have roughly 3.8,000,000 in ourco funds for a 5 point, $3,000,000 project.
15:51:32 So we had talked about, you know, potential revenue sharing funds in.
15:51:37 I think the $1.4,000,000 range or something but since we can't count on that.
15:51:42 We had a backup plan of using Stbg funds about 1.2,000,000.
15:51:48 So the the shortfall on that existing project to match the grants that we do have is that 274,000, you see, in red to the right there.
15:52:00 And, as Monty said it's not the total project again. this was kind of looking at our tip, and on our current tip, we have 2 odt projects, so that 7.9 is the composite.
15:52:12 Of those 2 projects. So being grant-funded project is 5 point, 3,000,000, roughly, and we have 3.8 in our Co.
15:52:22 And then another 1 point, 2 potentially in Stbg.
15:52:27 So the the shortfall is the 274 audio with No, you're not in the meeting audio.
15:52:43 No I don't know why we didn't echo something i'm sorry, Umeric.
15:52:48 My question is is that $5.8,000,000 in Grant funds?
15:52:55 Is that Where's that beyond the Anderson right the 3.8 gets us to Anderson Lake State party, and the other dying is border.
15:53:08 I'm sorry, I said that wrong 5.3 is The total to get to Anderson Lake, of which we have 3.8 in our CEO potentially.
15:53:25 1 point, 2 in Stp: Okay, okay, and the amount you need correct.
15:53:35 Okay, of course, we'll always accept , revenue to replace the to replace the Stp money if they are available, because then we wouldn't have a Federal project to deal with.
15:53:53 And furthermore, we talked about revenue sharing on the discovery trail because that St.
15:53:59 Stp. Stpg. but dedicated to the project that you see further down the list.
15:54:08 So we're kind of double head Mr. dean if you remember, when we did our Stpg. here, and we had a project list and a contingency.
15:54:17 We had the center road overlay on the contingency list, in case you know, Dt was flooded with revenue sharing, but as of right Now, if we take revenue sharing outwards kind
of double dipping on
15:54:28 the Std: Yeah. Yeah. So that made you need more for the center road project.
15:54:36 Then i'm sorry. can you say that again does that make you need more funding from somewhere else.
15:54:42 When the Center road project correct. That's where you see the whole O in red, you know a short fall of about we just received another grant. So that's great, but we're if we
use all of our Stbg.
15:54:56 Fun at least 3 years allegation on the Odt, or a short $300,000 on another existing grant.
15:55:04 Okay, Okay, great. Now I would point out that the road fund could absorb some of that 300,000 and some of that 274,000.
15:55:21 But that's nearly 600 different dollars that's a little bit much for the road fund to absorb all on its own on.
15:55:34 You know anything that come out of revenue sharing the project would help the road fun.
15:55:46 I think this kind of detail is really important. for the conversation that we're having now, and are preparing to have at the Icg meeting, because the now, if we can say that
this $274,000 can leverage you
15:56:00 know Grant funding right and the same thing with the 300,000. I mean that's just important.
15:56:08 By line to the whole story in terms of what we're gonna allocate whatever revenue sharing money we do get.
15:56:17 I think the average is a really important part of that
15:56:21 And so when we look at the estimated cost, it gets a little daunting.
15:56:26 But when we realize, okay, that If wait there's grants secured, you know we need to breathe. Take a deep breath and go.
15:56:32 Okay, let's figure this out what's gonna match what so the next one on the list is solid waste, and that's a huge number.
15:56:43 Yeah, so solid waste is just embarking on a long range planning project, and so the costs are not.
15:56:52 No, on that. I mean you you could spend $21,000,000 on a new transfer. state. It's also possible that we could spend 5 to $10,000,000 over 10 years expanding and upgrading our
existing site.
15:57:11 So you know, that is a project that's in the manking, and there's only a couple places, though that revenues can come from from on the solid waste facility. I mean county.
15:57:32 Is put its own in it, obviously, but typically it goes, are paid off through either which which is how the existing facilities, hey?
15:57:45 You can form solid waste districts impacts for some of that money.
15:57:55 But there are typically grants to build solid waste facilities.
15:57:59 So you know but that's few years out as well the board for back when we had these initial discussions talked about giving solid waste $250,000 towards the , projects.
15:58:18 So hopefully that's still on the table. Yeah I would guess that might come out of the capital fonts.
15:58:31 Not out of arbor . sure we've been asked to go back up the list and look closer at something.
15:58:37 Well, I just don't want to lose sight of the fact that we're also trying to identify projects that we should be pinging for seeking funds in the infrastructure package and and
you know so that
15:58:53 that gets to the capacity issue of public works. But also, you know, just not wanting to to let a an opportunity pass us by with unprecedented funding.
15:59:09 And so I guess i'm i'm various things like the Olympic discovery trail, which I think we you know.
15:59:18 You even put high urgency here, and that's up a priority for us, and many people in the community.
15:59:25 You know. Is it realistic to be thinking about seeking additional funding for that?
15:59:32 Given the the number of projects that public works has going on, I guess I want to identify. Where should we be looking?
15:59:39 200 to potentially seek more Federal funds.
15:59:44 And what is, is not usable not doable yeah so I don't know exactly which part of the infrastructure program we might be targeting, or what What programs.
16:00:00 That I'm Eric and I are certainly welcome to discuss that further with any of you or all of you on you know the Olympic Discovery trail.
16:00:11 We've got significant amount of money right now. to do a pretty significant project that's going to take us you know more years, and there's no right away secure beyond that
all right.
16:00:27 Well, there is the high old highway 9 right away. out towards Gardner that could be upgraded to the trail, but as far as going south from Anderson Lake Road.
16:00:38 I mean that's that's going to be a major undertaking the secure right away, and might involve working with the city on wherever they're planning on replacing umating the water
line down to city lake Oh,
16:00:55 that's a good project to work with staying on and think about it, and they've expressed willingness to kind of have a joint project there, a waterline and trail project because
they need a service for their water
16:01:18 But right now there's no right away so it's really typically pretty hard, , You're , production funding for projects where you don't have the you know the right way secured
yeah, And if there were I mean
16:01:36 again There's so many programs identified in that infrastructure package. I'm.
16:01:42 Certainly not well versed. but you know, even if there were planning funds available, and there's you know, just put a bit in there for multimodal.
16:01:53 And why I do want to take a closer look. now that we have this list to start, identify what might be appropriate, you know.
16:01:59 Is it even possible to start that planning process or our job?
16:02:03 And Eric gonna be, you know, kind of slam the next couple of years, anyway, and not able to like start thinking south of
16:02:12 The park, Eric, Do you have any input there I mean I think that the biggest issue is we like to think about. Okay, we'll apply for these funds. If we're successful, we'll get
them.
16:02:27 And then we can, you know, get on with the next phase.
16:02:29 But the reality is is okay when and if the funds become available, we'll apply for them, and then they'll show up the following year, and then maybe we can start 6 months later,
and then we'll you know so there's
16:02:41 already a 2 to 3 year old, and i'll say that We're fully booked up for the next 2 to 3 years.
16:02:47 You know what it'd be better to wait a year or so I think so.
16:02:50 But, on the other hand, if there's an opportunity one-time transportation funds, I think we have to seriously look at that too.
16:02:58 But we also have don't want to over program ourselves and and that's a real issue.
16:03:04 I mean we haven't we're talking about starting construction sewer.
16:03:10 Next year, and we don't have anyone responding to any of our ads for building there, so we may have to have existing staff helping us on when we start to mass earth work.
16:03:25 Do. and, you know, by putting out smaller contracts multiple contracts rather than one big giant contract on the sewer.
16:03:38 I mean that's possible that it's hard to identify the person who I have time in their schedule right now to do that.
16:03:47 Well sure. So I mean, we have saturday instruction projects program between the server and the Odt year.
16:04:02 We're gonna make it challenge that we are bringing on another employee on the right away, and of things and planning And how about the transportation planner position?
16:04:17 Any interest there? No, none but the new employee we're bringing on for right away it fills some of those needs for us.
16:04:29 There Europe experienced engineer that might be able to do I mean right away is not a full time, You know, Job right here. so the you know we are bringing on some more capacity.
16:04:45 But we're definitely still short. sure you had a lot going on It seems like 2 to get kids.
16:04:53 Earlier segmenting of priorities you know taking care of what we have is really important, and we've already identified a strong need and commitment to put new roofs on the
community centers and poor towns and in
16:05:10 brennan and I don't want to see that priority get swept under the rug, even though it's a smaller.
16:05:15 The smaller amount. I think that we need to take care of the assets that we have as a the top priority while we're developing the sewer and the trail.
16:05:30 And I don't know what other other than the community centers i'm not sure which other existing facility priorities as we should put at the top of the list. a couple of these
projects just to scroll back up a little bit
16:05:50 there. I mean I can't remember how a little bit higher and Okay, I'm sorry down you're at the top.
16:06:01 Yeah, so like that road safety project that's already funded correct, Eric.
16:06:09 So we could probably not, can make this list simpler by moving that i'm not sure why that was on there.
16:06:16 Can you remind me? that was the format that was set up?
16:06:20 But you know the vast majority of those projects the are a composite so like trail sidewalk, bike Lane that doesn't include any.
16:06:28 It's a composite number We either have grants or we intend to go for grants, and the road front would make up the batch, so there's no mask on line.
16:06:41 Number 7 Road safety project is through a grant and is funded.
16:06:44 We have a match requirement it's already programmed out of the road funds.
16:06:48 We've got that fish passage barrier same thing replacement, that one we don't have quite enough money.
16:06:56 That was the only one we could get was sort of the famous hazard mitigation, Grant.
16:07:00 But I think we've you know, budgeted that through the bridge upgrade that 5.7 is actually a 100% funded through the.
16:07:12 So yeah like Ronnie said a lot of those there's no ask there.
16:07:16 It was just it was on the list, so we populated it.
16:07:19 The ones the ones in the red or the wall should have a need.
16:07:26 What about the center road project now? those 10.3, 4. Yeah.
16:07:31 That one needs 300 grand right here. Correct, Commissioner Eisenhower. you you mentioned earlier.
16:07:37 If you wanted the number that 300,000 will leverage a $1.7,000,000.
16:07:41 Grant. Okay, The 2 point or the 274 up above will leverage 1 point, $4,000,000.
16:07:50 Grant, and these are existing brands. So those are priority funding.
16:07:58 Yeah decisions. Okay, can you speak a little bit to some more aspirational stuff that's on the list like public New Consolidated Bundle works facility?
16:08:11 I'm sure I mean that hasn't received a lot of you know, in depth planning.
16:08:23 But our understanding is that health and dCD are pretty face constrained, and I I really don't want to wander into facility.
16:08:32 Central this territory to here too much here. but So mark correctly if I speak here.
16:08:38 But the thinking was that you know we've we've long felt in public works.
16:08:47 You would be much better if they were all co-located in the same same location and in more Cadlock.
16:08:56 So engineering and maintenance are all in one building. We know that the facilities of Port Hadlock are quite old.
16:09:02 2, and also includes some of the err, our fleet facilities, which are managed under central services, of course; but having that all in one location, a lot of advantages to
operations, and how communicate and it also brings
16:09:22 efficiencies. like you have bookkeeping occurring at both locations right now.
16:09:31 It's better for the citizen potentially that we're all right there.
16:09:35 So, you know, if health is already outgrowing their facility, it could really accomplish
16:09:43 All of the goals by, say, a health expanding into the DCD.
16:09:53 Moving into the Current Company building in public works moving out to more. hadlock, I mean the whole road crew, which is a crew of what 25 plus people are in a portable right
now.
16:10:05 That's not great. we're out growing our sign shop you know Yeah, R.
16:10:12 And r and sleeve is that all their their facility and it's aging.
16:10:17 So it's something to think about certainly I Don't think it would be a $25,000,000 Project Mason County built an entirely new public service facility, including State for maybe
15.
16:10:32 1,000,000. Of course that was 10 years ago. modeled their space for 5,000,000.
16:10:41 The transit facility, I understand, was maybe a 5,000,000 so there's a fast, I mean again, if if it's something the county facilities and public work degrees we go and explore,
then we could really t tighten down
16:10:58 you know those numbers, I think 25 is like a really outside, and I estimate there are, particularly if we're talking about using the property we already.
16:11:13 But that's the concept behind that idea pay more attention to the concepts into the number.
16:11:18 There. So anyway, that's that's I would say about their project, I mean.
16:11:28 And then parks. Of course, Parks always has needs but most of those projects are are, you know, Wayne Taylor has.
16:11:41 But , and and mark have been great about funding some projects every years, and we've been making good progress there.
16:11:49 But there's going to be ongoing needs there for those those types of of projects.
16:11:57 Moving forward. So, monty one question I have is on this list you'll see right above the bigger picture centralized public works facility which you were just talking about.
16:12:09 There's a county roads of this sign shop replacement relocation.
16:12:14 How do those 2 projects inter interplay with each other? right?
16:12:21 So if assuming that the larger project is quite a ways out, there are in the immediate replacing the portable that the road crew is, in looking at an idea to expand metal building
off of the existing metal building out
16:12:45 there have some office space and a bigger sign shop.
16:12:51 Something we were going to look at and that could be a nice interim solution. just if if we're talking about just dealing with the road through and not yarn our needs or you
know office and engineering facilities out there
16:13:13 That's that's what we would look at in the near term Thanks.
16:13:18 It might be good to see all of these I wish mark was here, because he's good. But see all of these on like again charter, you know a schedule a time schedule of you know the
next 3 years we could
16:13:31 do these things in the next 10 years. we'd like to set these, as our 3 highest priorities.
16:13:37 You know, because some of us like they won't be here in 10 years, and it would just be good to have kind of the vision of this.
16:13:48 I think we have a really solid group right now, thinking about infrastructure and capital league, even though we Haven't had very many times to talk about it.
16:13:55 But I think getting getting what we know documented in a time to show over time what what the smaller projects lead to the bigger projects.
16:14:09 I think it would be an important educational piece, and then also for future generations of county administrator is in public works, directors and county commissioners, and
you know, as we cycle through.
16:14:23 So as we make progress on these things, people understand what the eventual vision was, for, you know, an interim step leading to a larger step.
16:14:35 I think you guys are gonna be looking for central services. director, since you know, Mark stepped into the county administrator role, and obviously there's a lot of planning
needed on facilities.
16:14:50 I mean that's not just public works facilities but further down the list.
16:14:53 I think Mark populated most of that about courthouse jail expansion.
16:15:00 All those kinds of things courts. I already said Courthouse.
16:15:04 So. you know most of what you're talking about guys, and how would would be probably coordinated under that position and the facilitator?
16:15:18 No, and Caroline just reminded me We have 15 more minutes of this left. so we have 15 more minutes together.
16:15:27 Let's make them good Montana well we have you
16:15:35 I know that this might give you a heartburn to hear me say this, but I can't I can't live with myself if I don't at least bring up the conversation. of you know while we're
doing all of this
16:15:49 work in Port Headlock with the sewer project.
16:15:52 Should we be thinking about other other infrastructure there, particularly around, she said.
16:16:00 Walks and bite trails. and I I have heard from you, Monty, how exceedingly difficult and expensive it is to do that work.
16:16:11 And yes, it seems like, is there. Will there be a better time to do it?
16:16:14 Both give them the effect. That will be, you know, doing construction there.
16:16:19 The fact that there might be funding for that in infrastructure package.
16:16:24 Is that a conversation you would entertain? Well, I definitely entered entertainment.
16:16:28 I mean, we have a trail network planned already in Port Hadlock, and not not for every street, or something like that.
16:16:41 But you've heard us talk about the idea of connecting the library school.
16:16:46 Do the Rectollson trail via the sewer line alignment through the property we own.
16:16:53 So if there were infrastructure money available, to do that work on top at the same time as this sewer great, I think the sewer will be well ahead of that.
16:17:04 But we're gonna set it up with the understanding that you know there would be a trail on top of that sewer line.
16:17:10 We've already made decisions based on that assumption and how we put the sewer line through there, and and everything.
16:17:21 So that's part of it you know most of in a lot of the places.
16:17:25 This like Cedar avenue, we, the seed, the sewer lines running up.
16:17:29 See the middle of cedar avenue because we knew we were putting a sidewalk in it, and we didn't want to have that conflict, you know.
16:17:37 So I mean the the answer to your question commissioner Dean is, yes, we we would certainly entertaining that.
16:17:45 We're also working on a you know connecting the Rick Talliffson trail over to
16:17:51 You know, to the area, the Bates ball Fields and Elkins Road there as well.
16:17:57 So we have some work underway, but we can always we believe in and non motorized projects in Port hadlock in the urban growth area for sure, and 250, and want to continue working
on those feedback from the public that
16:18:16 it's you know i'm sorry the sound quality is for the you know I just.
16:18:23 I probably told you this before, mountain, but I it like It brings my heart that the transit center was built.
16:18:29 Where is without connection to urban growth areas and that's the kind of thing I want to be thinking about.
16:18:37 As we, you know, and it really environment a new future for or headlock.
16:18:42 And so thank you for your willingness to entertain that Well, I don't think we needed to get to any answers.
16:18:55 We should think about the nineteenth, and how, you know they should probably be working with the chair.
16:19:01 Talk about. You know what kind of agenda we want to present to our Icg partners.
16:19:07 Be nice to have similar formats for discussing projects, but we have some time.
16:19:12 I think this is a good start to the conversation potentially for that conversation prioritizing and areas where we can collaborate.
16:19:22 Yeah, So I think we don't know if we want to just take a scan right now.
16:19:28 But it seems like a lot of these basic services. So sewer solid waste, I mean, these are all serving all staff and users of public facilities.
16:19:42 In our communities. yeah, and there's this not on here that I think the county is invested in like affordable workforce housing.
16:19:52 Ev do charging countywide not just with our buildings, but being a part of that kind of planning a network, homeless shelter, potentially broadband, largely underway.
16:20:08 But yes, i'll be some cross pollination for sure too.
16:20:15 Well, I think, do you guys have anything else you want to add words of wisdom from public works?
16:20:24 Oh, wise ones! Well, those numbers in red are the ones we you know absolutely need there. It's not huge and any additional funding that could be made available on the sewer.
16:20:42 But we understand there's a lot of needs here.
16:20:48 You heard the announcement about the revenue and sharing money being decreased by about half right?
16:20:52 Yeah, actually, yeah. So that's kind of heartbreaking news.
16:20:58 But hopefully, they can keep biting that off yeah and I'm.
16:21:03 Sorry I didn't follow up with you on Friday Monty but did have a good meeting with Kilmer's new legislative director and
16:21:08 She she said. I made the sewer sound really exciting that's about all we can.
16:21:16 The best we can hope for until they decide on their funding earmarks for fiscal year.
16:21:23 23. But so very well. Good. Yeah. Okay. Well, I guess you guys King can go back to your important work, and we can wrap up our day with doing a tiny bit of thanks.
16:21:39 From the last week and the next week. Sure. Thanks, you guys, Thank you.
16:21:47 There we continue getting public input. that I So I have a Ohio.
16:21:54 So different, was it? I know I think it's something to do with that yeah looking at.
16:22:01 Well, it's a selective microphone and echo canceling to your home those on digital audio interface.
16:22:07 Oh, that's problem and I Can't get it to go back there and talk to back up.
16:22:13 Oh, we accept that echo canceling the microphone but it that's all.
16:22:19 We'll put it back to I don't know If that was , right. You're right.
16:22:23 I don't yeah put it back to the cause that's that's these systems, because we went off these Yeah, sorry they're still on in the room. I'm still on the dt this takes it into
that my my bad
16:22:36 so we should have someone else call in to make sure okay I can't get the owl to do the mute.
16:22:45 Now for some reason, because it's no longer a microphone Okay, great
16:22:52 So I would just say, my i'm just gonna jump right in because last week I've been reporting each week, or maybe they can't hear.
16:23:03 Us not hear us. The volume went way down, but she just turns her up to Okay.
16:23:11 Well, if I talk right in the microphone, could you hear better?
16:23:16 Okay, Okay, So I just want to give you a little bit of update on the Beaver Valley sorts.
16:23:21 Dnr: We are myself and some of our partners are moving forward, including the assessor and the treasurer, with doing some background work on both specifically Beaver Valley
sorts, and also options like reconciliation So
16:23:39 i'm gonna i'm working with mark to get a workshop for us scheduled on this but it probably won't be for 2 or 3 weeks, and i'm building a side deck like less than 10 slides,
16:23:50 but that addresses each of the big issues around. that timber sale which will shine a light on other.
16:23:58 So I just wanted to give you an update. that that could give you my big re conveyance question. Yeah, I think reconvance usually can only be used for apart Yeah, And So is our
is very well, thinning.
16:24:12 You know, is what we've been doing with that community for us your project, except we did get an answer to that from the kids at Forester.
16:24:19 Oh, yeah, when they did their reconvenience that's what they're doing with it.
16:24:22 Oh, great. Okay. So we are learning getting some of the right answers to that Answer: Yeah.
16:24:29 Would it be worth inviting the Environmental Council to that discussion, since they have been so involved in Washington Environmental Council?
16:24:39 Yeah, if you saw that email from them but well now, that we've become every's favorite conservation people I'm just trying to make sure that we get what we need out of our session,
together, I think we need to
16:24:55 invite our Alex Assessor and our treasurer and talk about kind of want to focus on Beaver Valley sorts as the kind of pilot the prism into these issues.
16:25:08 So I don't If they're interested in that conversation Yes, but I don't really want to have the larger overarching Dnr Forest management conversation.
16:25:17 I don't want this to become that if we need to have a subsequent larger conversation.
16:25:21 I think that that would be appropriate. but I think we need to answer the question To get at the action.
16:25:27 We made of requesting a delay in that sale so we know what we're gonna propose or ask for as the next step.
16:25:36 So i'm just a little protective of making sure our agenda is focused enough.
16:25:40 Yeah, My, the reason I ask is that I I think they have been in the space of like trying to create alternatives with the Legislature for many years, and with Dnr.
16:25:50 And just like thinking about our range of options. I guess that Yeah.
16:25:57 They? They have been thinking about alternatives for a long time.
16:26:00 Well, and they could come with like 3 to 4Â min of something focused reflecting on Beaver Valley sorts and the options that they've I mean thinking about a way to make their
part of the participation in that conversation i'm not
16:26:13 saying, We don't need to have more conversations. but I just want to have you coming out of that. action.
16:26:19 We took kind of a useful conversation for this board. So if it can contribute to that, then yes, absolutely okay.
16:26:27 I will. i'll follow up with danielle and I also got a I think we all got the same email from her.
16:26:34 Yeah. but you know, like, is there, should we be looking at like in response to the parks question, like, is community forest?
16:26:41 Another option that could, which you specifically mentioned, or ecosystem services, or you know, like what are the potentially the other options that you both might be better
versed in than I am.
16:26:55 But I'm, also sensitive to the time frame we have on the table right now is before July.
16:27:03 So this this conversation is more of a short term one, whereas I think I hope it contributes to the larger conversation in the future.
16:27:12 Yeah, because we have Dnrs here right now. Yeah, So I'm not going to report on anything else that I did.
16:27:22 But I was very busy, and I turned 51, and I had 2728 eggs 3 times because my little girls wanted multiple Easter eggs.
16:27:35 Oh, let me say that Everyone gets a minute and half a minute and a half.
16:27:45 I usually take 10Â min and we'll just say I want to follow up, because I know Mark checked it with both of you about this last week.
16:27:51 But The county did end up submitting the earmark request for to continue the work of the child care partnership.
16:27:58 Oh, that was not another obvious entity to partner so if we were to get funded for that, and it did rank very high in race ranking last year, and didn't get funded in committee
but she advanced it to committee so it
16:28:10 has some chance of being see this valuable again that we would then subcontract you know, with the hospital or one of the entities in the partnership Ymca.
16:28:20 To to do that work so cool committing to it.
16:28:24 But we are we were the kind of fiscal sponsor for the purpose of this earmark.
16:28:30 So thank you for your green light on that. Got that? submitted with some help from Jefferson.
16:28:34 Healthcare and fingers crossed, and also that you probably heard buff sewer server.
16:28:41 Request was submitted both to camp. Well, and cameras yeah so we weren't competing.
16:28:46 That was the other benefit of going to marines would not the child. Care would not compete with the sewer totally great.
16:28:54 I'll just let's see what lots it was a busy week.
16:28:58 Last week I was going to share one thing what would I share so I'm taking.
16:29:04 Oh, I participated in the with the Edc. about the the Grants, the 500,000 that we dedicated from Arpa, you know, 400,000 for small business loans.
16:29:14 They will get the advent, I think, checks are already out for those to 139 different businesses, and we had 5 technical service applicants, and we recommended funding all of
them.