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09:01:34 Okay, Good morning, everyone. I would like to call this May sixteenth, 2022 meeting of the Jefferson County Board of Commissioners to order.
09:01:47 I'm here in the chambers with carolyn and Commissioner Brotherton and Amanda and Gordon Amanda will be presenting later.
09:01:54 During the hearing. at 1030 keeps at home still and Mark is in his office.
09:02:04 So, but we're all here, and as we do every Monday morning we started off with public comments.
09:02:13 So there goes the courthouse spells if you are here to make a comment. Please raise your hand using the raise hand button at the bottom of the zoom screen, and if you're on
the phone you can press star 9 and we'll bring you
09:02:23 over for public comments that's right and we do have one member of the public here with us. i'm imagining you have a comment.
09:02:36 You'd like to make today. yeah okay let's start with Ed
09:02:47 Mr. Bone, when you get unmuted, you will have 3Â min for public comment.
09:02:56 But you're still muted. Okay, how about now
09:03:07 West Jefferson County. Actually, I have 2 things. I wanna start off with a question.
09:03:12 The afternoon agenda. has 2 work sessions but there doesn't appear to be any instructions in there about the citizens participating in that.
09:03:25 Whether it's just listen only or whether it's actively a public comment or discussion, or whatever.
09:03:32 So that's actually a question for you i'm not clear on your procedures.
09:03:36 Secondly, I actually want to speak to agenda.
09:03:40 Item Number 4. That is the energy agreement for the North Zoom Coast Marine Resource Committee, and you know I've been following this ever since the the the law was created
at the State legislature.
09:03:55 For this function, and I still continue to be kind of amazed at how we never have proceeded with the Resource Committee to address needs on the the outer coast of Jefferson
County.
09:04:09 So I want to bring to your attention today. i'm a little bit concerned about the breakout of the projects.
09:04:17 I fully support coastal cleanup. but it seemed like there's a minimal amount going towards that versus other things that don't really totally benefit the entire coast.
09:04:28 Maybe benefits certain select groups, but doesn't benefit the entire coast.
09:04:33 The other aspect that has never been addressed by this this group ever since.
09:04:38 This conception is the fact of public access to our outer coast.
09:04:42 It's very limited it's very extreme given the wilderness designation, majority of the coastline and
09:04:49 That issue has never really been addressed. so I just bring that back before you as a citizen.
09:04:56 It. The putting $75,000 towards a coordinator is, I hope, produces. So Thank you.
09:05:05 Thank you, Mr. Brown. Me appreciate your comments. We will respond to public comments after we receive receive all of them.
09:05:13 Is there anybody else online who would like to make public comment this morning?
09:05:19 Please raise. raise. raise your hand, using the raise hand. button at the bottom of the screen, or by pressing star 9.
09:05:25 If you're on the phone and while we wait for those hands to go up, Gordon, do you want to come up
09:05:36 Bell Street Port towns in i'm concerned about the process that the planning Commission used during the period review of the Shoreline Master program planning commission meetings
for difficult to access and at least one meeting was canceled without public
09:05:51 notification. minutes for planning commission meetings from the tenth of February through September first, were not provided until October 2021, and there are no minutes for
the July seventh, July 20 first, and
09:06:05 August eighteenth meetings. The minutes that are provided for the other meetings are sparse and to the point of useless.
09:06:13 Rcw. 42, 30, 35 requires 7Â min to promptly recorded and open to public and inspection.
09:06:20 This did not happen with the planning commission meetings during the periodic review of the Smp.
09:06:26 Understood that there was a limited period of in which to provide input to the planning commission, which ended June sixteenth, 2,021 Taylor shellfish provided R.
09:06:36 Written comments to the Planning Commission, and I attended the meeting online and very clearly heard the DCD.
09:06:42 Staff, and Michelle Mcconnell from ecology, say public comment would be closed.
09:06:47 June sixteenth i'm disturbed that after the June sixteenth meeting, considerable with additional public comment was heard by the planning Commission, and it clearly influenced
them because major parts of the agriculture section were
09:06:58 altered audio recordings for the June sixteenth meeting were provided online by June 20 first for all subsequent subsequent meetings.
09:07:07 The audio recordings were not made of available until at least December the 20 ninth, 2,021.
09:07:14 The September first audio was not uploaded until May, the 20, sixth, 2,022.
09:07:18 This meant that any member of the public that couldn't join the meeting as they were happening, had no way of finding out what happened at the meetings until after the significantly
old Smp.
09:07:29 Was sent to ecology for their review. This resulted in a very one sided and opaque process.
09:07:35 The draft smp as it was sent to ecology.
09:07:39 Has major changes compared to the currently Cp. This is outside the scope of the process, as explained to the S. and P.
09:07:45 Periodic Review Task force by DCD. Stuff David Johnson in also outside Rcw.
09:07:53 1,958 0 84. The changes to the aquaculture section are a major rewrite, which had only happened in an smp update, not a period review in summary.
09:08:04 I'm disturbed about how the planning commission part of the Smp Periodic Review took place, and from my reading.
09:08:10 The process does not comply with the revised Code of Washington.
09:08:14 I think it. Thank you for your comment. Do you guys wanna copy?
09:08:22 Yeah, that would be great. And then
09:08:38 I see. Another hand went up. Carolyn
09:08:49 Good morning, Patricia. Once you get unmuted you'll have 3Â min for public comment.
09:08:56 Good morning, Commissioner Eisenhower and Commissioners.
09:08:59 Thank you so much for the record Dr. Patricia Jones Olympia for Olympic Forest Coalition, and i'm grateful for the opportunity to comment this morning on the ongoing efforts
by
09:09:10 commissioners, especially Commissioners Eisenhower and Brotherton, work through the challenge of managing forests in Jefferson County.
09:09:18 One of Thank you so much for the incredible work and leadership and effort also by staff to outline the contours of the challenge before us, want to speak briefly on the financial
aspects of the issue from shared from information shared
09:09:33 during Boc meetings in the last several weeks I'm aware that Commissioner Eisenhower and Staff are working hard and other elections to define what the financial impacts may
be.
09:09:45 For Jefferson County, as it looks at options for saving legacy forests.
09:09:50 As you know, legacy forests are on the radar now.
09:09:53 Thankfully by the Federal Government, starting with an inventory to begin to estimate what our carbon reserves are in the country, wanted to speak for just a moment about widening
the aperture.
09:10:06 For the options, for filling in for the needed finances for local essential services.
09:10:13 Schools and junior taxing districts. I hope we can consider in amongst the options we're considering developing some sort of direct payment project where Washington foundations,
trusts financial institutions corporations, and the public may invest in
09:10:32 and support conservation of these important forests, directly, or at least provide some sort of bridging, financing mechanism.
09:10:41 So the financial services are not left without needed funding. We have land managers in the county staff and in local Ngos, and we have community forest model to draw from here
in Jefferson County.
09:10:55 We have such written richness in elected officials and community expertise that I'm sure we can find solutions. i'm so grateful for all the important work and look forward to
working on this financial aspect as well thank you thank
09:11:14 you, Patricia, we appreciate your input. Is there anybody else on mine who would like to make a public comment this morning?
09:11:24 If so, use the race hand button at the bottom of your screen or press star 9 on your phone and will bring you over.
09:11:32 I see a bunch of people out there, but no hands going up.
09:11:36 Oh,
09:11:45 Good morning, Mr. Tears. You have 3Â min for public comment when you get connected to audio,
09:11:58 And unmuted. There you go! Wonderful response. Time not hi! Good morning.
09:12:07 I wanted to comment on item 3 on your consent.
09:12:10 Agenda this morning. this is regarding, renewal or extension, or actual additional funding for a contract.
09:12:20 4. Your social media promotion person. I have some concerns, I guess, is the right way to put it about the fact that this contract is paying somebody about $50,000 a year to
to do work promoting tourism on
09:12:38 the Peninsula and in that contract should go down the list of all the things that are are required to be done under that contract.
09:12:48 There are several major social media sites that are listed, and this contract says that this promotion is supposed to happen on those sites.
09:12:57 So I looked at the list, and so, for example, on pinterest, the enjoy Olympics account.
09:13:05 Well, it has 151 followers not real impressive.
09:13:12 On Facebook, more impressive. Yup. 8,600 people follow that account, and there are lots of posts.
09:13:18 But let's go down the list twitter enjoy olympics. You'd enjoy olympics account on Twitter has posted again exactly 0 posts in the last 2 years, and in 2,020 there were a grand
total
09:13:33 of 5 tweets and in 2019 there were grand total of 7 tweets, not very not not very impressive.
09:13:41 I don't think we're getting our money's worth if that's what we're paying 50 grand for.
09:13:45 I mean it. It just seems like somebody ought to take a close look at the performance of this contract, saying, if the contractor is, in fact doing all the things that they're
supposed to do, which Obviously they are not and let's renegotiate this
09:14:00 thing, and get some value for our money. what's happening now is not anywhere near good enough for that amount of money.
09:14:09 So please take a look at it. if you have a chance or if you're just gonna rubber stamp it on the agenda.
09:14:15 I guess you will do that, too. your choice. Thanks. Thank you for your comments. Anybody else online wishing to make public comment this morning, you can use the raise hand
button at the bottom of your zoom screen.
09:14:31 Or you can press star 9 if you're on the phone seeing any more hands go up
09:14:46 Okay, So as we do, we'll leave public comment open until 9, 30, and we will respond to the comments that we've just received.
09:14:54 Kate, or Great, Do you wanna kick it off?
09:14:59 Oh, sure I can start let's see thank you everyone for your comments.
09:15:06 I'll go in order that do we receive them Mr.
09:15:10 Bowen I don't know I we don't have public comment listed for the afternoon workshop, and so we're not really anticipating having an opportunity for bullet comic this afternoon
09:15:25 Consume most of the time, and then they'll wanna have a a specific session for input from the public.
09:15:32 That sounds reasonable. I would encourage you where you always can receive public comment.
09:15:37 But with emails to Jeff Vocc at C. O.
09:15:42 That Jefferson dotw dot us. There will be another opportunity for public comment.
09:15:45 But based on this worksheets soon this afternoon would be eager to hear anyone.
09:15:49 Anyone's feedback on that in the decisions or progress that we make but appreciate your comments to the the Mrc. number 4, and the consent agenda.
09:16:02 It's great to have more funding I think We can I I kind of do regret that we don't have one of the the Commissioners on that coast that code, Mrc.
09:16:14 As well, you know, might be something that we take talk about just to get a little closer to work.
09:16:19 It's been a real asset to have a Commissioner I think, as an ex officio member of the other Mrc.
09:16:25 The the sound Mrc. over here and i'm a little disconnected from the work over there.
09:16:30 We have staff representation on it. But you know staff capacity is what can get that work done?
09:16:35 So i'm not i'm not in favor of turning down the money that will will facilitate that you know a fully realized staff.
09:16:43 There to Gordon it's concerning you know I appreciate his work, and I also was part of the task force that happened last year.
09:16:53 The before before the planning commission. got to it and i'll. i'll track down. We want to make sure that we have a transparent process and that we understand why changes are
made i'm not really a hit to the exact
09:17:06 changes that have been made to the smp in that process.
09:17:11 So I will familiarize with myself with that and of course there's another option.
09:17:15 It comes before the Commissioner still so there's nothing that's cast in stone at this point, and appreciate the the heads up to make sure that our process has been clean.
09:17:25 As we as we move through this you know we're on year 3.
09:17:28 Now I think so. it's a long long process
09:17:43 I I can look. I saw a calendar and a little bit, though, I've been asking about the shline management planning process for about 9 months.
09:17:52 I feel like. But what i've heard the last couple of times. I've asked, is, we have not gotten feedback from acology yet?
09:17:57 That remains the case waiting on feedback from ecology.
09:18:03 And I ask Brent last. Yeah, we had lunch last week, and I asked him then.
09:18:08 So. and when we get that it'll be a couple of weeks before we have a hearing again, right? So That's comments, ecology provides comments on the draft, that the planning Commission
put forward yeah and approval I
09:18:22 think, too, right, . from their perspective, and they have oversight over this, too.
09:18:29 It's not you know it's different than the critical area ordinance.
09:18:31 Yeah, Okay, thank you for the update let's see Mr.
09:18:39 Tish, you know I I sit on the Tcc. the tourist towards the coordinated council, where we hear a lot about the the different work.
09:18:49 I will admit I have not checked out the the Twitter page, or even the interest page.
09:18:53 I I think robust recording is something that we need to make sure we do.
09:18:59 I think how you can talk to the the windfall that we have in L Tech, and how we're we're trying to move that into promotion of tourism, which is, you know, a lot more than just
the social media
09:19:09 but this this contract amendment specifically, does look to that, and I I think I think, demanding, or you know, requesting more tracking of this.
09:19:22 It's really hard to i've found it really hard to translate marketing dollars that are generally often go through optic as well into heads and beds and everything.
09:19:40 And you know these these monies have been approved already, and what we're doing is kind of following up right now.
09:19:45 With that. the contract amendment to facilitate the decision that we're already made by the recommendations that were made by Ltac, and approved by us already.
09:19:54 So I'm you know well not wanting to rubber stamp as Mr.
09:19:57 Tier says, you know i'm and not prepared to to bulk on contracts already made, or decisions already made.
09:20:04 But I I do think that that tracking these a little closer Maybe i'll even I don't know I got a twitter account somewhere.
09:20:10 Maybe dig into that and then see what we're doing on on Twitter. and you know it's tourism is a Is a It's a big part of our economy and doing it creating a kind of a sustainable
tourism
09:20:22 model is something that I think this their marketing campaigns have really been successful at and appealing to the great outdoors and the assets that we we bring, and and I
think, bringing a great a great group of people
09:20:36 here, but always always good to to track it a little closer and get some some data data points behind the the contract.
09:20:45 So i'm not sure if I think we should I don't think we should amend the contract, and not not approve it now.
09:20:50 But I do think that more follow up with Mr. Shiveley, and then getting some data would be would be helpful.
09:20:58 And I think That's it kate do you have Any comments Yeah, see in terms of the the Mrc.
09:21:13 So the the West Jefferson is covered by the North Pacific.
09:21:18 Mrc. is that correct i'm getting the title right and so i'm i'm i'm sorry to hear that the resident out there doesn't feel that that that West Jefferson county is is represented
there
09:21:29 and I have not participated in that Mrc. and you know.
09:21:35 I think maybe a conversation offline with Mr. Bowen would be good to get a sense of, you know.
09:21:41 See engaged with that group and you know their possibilities to to be doing more.
09:21:46 Out there terms of access, you know, as a national wilderness.
09:21:51 Increasing access is unlikely i'll just say it's interesting.
09:21:56 A lot of these conversations tied together, you know that that would say that in terms of tourism promotion there's been a real existential question, especially during Covid,
when there was so much over visitation here and overuse
09:22:09 of particular sites, that how much would be should we? Should we be promoting tourism?
09:22:15 And So the idea of more excess, I think, is, is challenging when we know that the national park system is largely moving towards limiting access in in wilderness areas.
09:22:31 Also share concerns about the smp periodic review I don't see I i'm not saying I have confidence.
09:22:39 I i'm concerned that the process is accurate I know that the Planning Commission has struggled with staffing, as most of department of community development has the last couple
of years. and
09:22:49 It sounds like we are close to having a fully staffed DCD.
09:22:52 For the first time. and we also got some public comment via email about, you know, the office having to close because of a potential covid exposure. No, it's it's been challenging
They are dealing with record
09:23:06 numbers of permits coming in, and hard to keep up with out enough staff, and then throw in a pandemic and
09:23:15 So. certainly. I think we should follow up and make sure that the appropriate process was followed for the Smp.
09:23:22 I have also heard that there are a number of sets of minutes missing, which is really unfortunate. and so we'll we'll talk to the Department about that, and try and get those
concerns addressed I share Dr.
09:23:36 Jones interest in looking at alternative finance models for the incredible amount of ecosystem services that the Olympic Peninsula provides for the the planet.
09:23:48 Really again. these conversations all looping back to one another, you know I've often thought that you know we we provide this enormous playground to the I 5 corridor and that
has resulted in a
09:24:06 tourism based economy. but it doesn't necessarily translate to livable wages or mitigation of impacts.
09:24:12 From that level of visitation. So i'm all for finding a way that we can have the the amount of conservation that we do, that we actively pursue here on the peninsula, translate
into more economic viability and
09:24:26 so instead of it translating to you, know less, of a tax base or the kinds of impacts to our junior texting districts that we're really concerned about
09:24:36 And also the you know that we're not the clear cutting isn't the only option for those lands to produce revenues.
09:24:42 So really glad to be having a community conversation and a statewide conversation about this, and looking forward to this afternoon.
09:24:53 And yeah glad that Greg you'll follow up on Tcc.
09:25:00 You know I I do feel for anyone in the tourism industry.
09:25:04 The last couple of years, when the the community has really been saying, What is the right amount of tourism?
09:25:09 Do we want people here? How do we mitigate the impacts to housing
09:25:14 And and so you know, I think I think there is a real question of how much promotion, what kind of promotion is the right amount?
09:25:23 But but agree that metrics are important when we're dispersing public funds.
09:25:29 That's all. Thanks, Kate. Mark, Do you want to Add anything I know you've worked been working on that contract contract a lot Lately Tcc: Yeah.
09:25:41 I work with Bill Ronnie with the tcc I Guess he's a chair and and he's on board with the amended contract and supports it, and like greg said it's just executing
09:25:55 the budgetary decision that was made earlier hmm thank you i'll just respond to ed bowen
09:26:07 We we fully want. a broader set of voices engaged in this conversation about the older, older forest and all growth forests on the Peninsula. I just felt like this this afternoon
session is kind of a a
09:26:22 reporting out on a bunch of research that's been done in the last month.
09:26:26 So please send written comments in response. to what you hear today, and then look for our next session, which will be definitely where we seek public input and I'm I'm.
09:26:38 Imagining a number of additional questions are gonna come out of our conversation today, so there will be further research work to do.
09:26:46 But I think we've got a lot of information to share, and I will share at the beginning of that workshop the list of about that dozen people who've helped compile and been working
over the last month to pull together some
09:26:57 of this information. and then the other North Pacific.
09:27:05 Mrc. I asked that question on friday when mark and Then we're doing agenda review, and and was able to have a conversation with Tammy Pecorni the staff.
09:27:16 Who works on that project area, and she was actually out on the West End when I talked to her.
09:27:21 So. These grant amounts are these: grant projects that are in the agenda packet.
09:27:28 We're. all responsive to an rfp so they were proposals that were submitted for projects to be done on the West End. so we don't necessarily define which projects are going to
be done.
09:27:43 We just select from the projects that are submitted to it.
09:27:46 Us here at the county just wanted to clarify that point.
09:27:52 Gordon. I also, as a new commissioner coming in, and having been a former planning commission member, I thought, Well, this is an area I know.
09:28:01 Let me dig in, and the essential process started before I was seated as a commissioner, and I started, and I noticed a number of sets of minutes were not there, because I was
interested in reviewing them.
09:28:15 So i've i've asked and some things have been uploaded subsequently.
09:28:20 But I think we do need a more kind of systematic process for when minutes are posted, and I I also I know intimately in a tribute this to the capacity issues we've had at DCD.
09:28:34 Over the last couple of years, and and we'll be super grateful that we will be announcing our new planning manager soon, and then that will that will full out.
09:28:46 Fill out the cohort at dCD and we'll have for the first time in a long time.
09:28:50 I Don't want to say ever but a very long time a fully staffed department of community development, and I think that's something that our DCD.
09:28:59 Director Britain, Butler and county administrator, Mark Macaulay should be congratulated on because they've worked hard and focused on this.
09:29:08 I mean, this is a priority, and I appreciate their work.
09:29:12 To fill that out, because we get so many comments about a myriad of issues related to projects being reviewed by DCD.
09:29:21 Or the slowness of government. approvals and so I think we're just gonna see things get to a a little better pace here in the coming hopefully year.
09:29:34 Yeah. and and commissioners, I might remind you that that you actually plus up the staffing in that office by 2.
09:29:40 You know it was a temporary thing, and then you made it permanent.
09:29:44 So, thanks to you. for that, and with the addition of Josh Peters as our planning manager.
09:29:54 Yeah, we'll be fully staffed for the first time and probably a decade.
09:30:00 And I would just note that there would be. You did receive a Letter from Habitat for Humanity than us for funding DCD.
09:30:07 To make customer assistance meetings. not no free attached to those free.
09:30:15 And that was a piece of input we got a lot of comments about.
09:30:20 And i'm grateful that we were able to do that, and I've already heard some individual comments from people that they were also grateful, including that letter from habitat this
week.
09:30:34 Legacy for us i've also been calling them older for us, because I've been trying to understand the relationship between the the term legacy for us with dnr's term older forests,
and I don't necessarily understand
09:30:47 the differences intimately, but I think I have gotten to a place where we need to look at the 2 terms together and understand how they can be mutually supportive.
09:31:01 And you don't think they're synonymous. In some cases there are slight differences in the age at which legacy for us started starts versus maybe where older forests So and then
I think mark
09:31:21 addressed the contract with Tcc. and my colleagues.
09:31:27 So. Is there anybody? Oh, it's since 9 30 so I guess we'll close public comments and on our agenda at 9 30.
09:31:37 Is the consent. agenda thank you gordon anything that's other than things we've addressed already that you wanna call out on consent Cater.
09:31:52 Great great to have the the new manager of Cleveland Lodge officially added to Tcc.
09:32:01 Had a couple of meetings with her and and she's great replacement.
09:32:07 Joe moved on. And yeah,
09:32:14 You know. Good stuff. I think we've got some notes. to take away from public comment on a few of these things, just to make sure that we continue to track them.
09:32:25 One quick question for you, Mark. We have talked over the years about
09:32:27 The best place for risk management to live, and you know, with you, and a relatively new newly permanent role.
09:32:37 I see that you're you've agreed to take on the risk manager role?
09:32:43 And is that is Do you think that's in the right place, or when we look at hiring a Central Services director?
09:32:50 Is that something we want to consider shifting? I have no concerns about it, but I I have heard that the the role is that it might be.
09:32:59 It might be better somewhere else, just to have more more kind of oversight.
09:33:03 Do you have any thoughts on that? I I think once we complete the recruitment and the higher essential services.
09:33:10 Director. I think we can evaluate the skill set of that person.
09:33:15 And you know, maybe defer the discussion until then, okay but i'm what to do.
09:33:22 I you know i'm up to to performing that duty along with all the rest. Great.
09:33:27 Yeah, thank you, and I I don't have any concerns at all about you serving it.
09:33:29 But just that, I know in the past we've said should that be a a separate role.
09:33:34 So. no concerns don't want to lose sight of of that conversation.
09:33:45 Great. I see your hand up. Hmm! Do you have anything in response to consent?
09:33:51 But we haven't talked about already nope Okay, The only thing I was gonna say is just because when I see large amounts on here.
09:34:02 I always dig in a little bit more, and so the additional amount to the Department of Health.
09:34:08 Those The list of items were all largely Covid related adjustments to that amount.
09:34:16 So that makes sense to me. if there are no other comments on consent can have a motion.
09:34:24 I'll move that we approve and adopt the consent agenda as presented favorite Oh, sorry, all in favor. Hi!
09:34:35 Hi consentage in the passes unanimously.
09:34:41 Okay. 9, 34. We have about 10Â min until we're joined by Dr.
09:34:46 Barry and Director Willie vince do we want to start with a little bit of calendaring.
09:34:55 We don't have any proclamations today, although I did get something at home over the weekend that it was I forget which week it was, and I was like, we should have done a proclamation
on that Anyway, I wonder
09:35:11 too. I wonder if that would be a good time to talk about the letter?
09:35:16 The chamber. Oh, yeah, We have a couple of items to walk on.
09:35:23 One was a letter in support of a grant, application for electric vehicle, charging stations from the Chamber.
09:35:33 And then what was the other market? and the mark has the other. Well, what what did you want to walk on, Mark?
09:35:39 You had an agenda item
09:35:47 Is he not hearing me
09:35:53 Well, we can, we can. Mark, Did you have something that you wanted to walk on the agenda this morning?
09:36:08 What I need to do is share my screen
09:36:18 So can you see that Commissioners? Yeah. So what what we have here is the letter from the County Road Administration Board to county executives and to shares of county commissions,
and it has to do with the certificate of
09:36:36 good practice from the crab and that's a significant piece of paper, because, achieving that certification keeps us eligible for for state funding programs.
09:36:52 And it's a pretty rigorous pretty rigorous process, and what I just wanna show briefly is
09:37:03 That certificate of good practice and tails there.
09:37:09 I think if you count these, I think there might be 13 different areas where our Public Works Department is.
09:37:15 Is evaluated by the County Road Administration Board on how they manage the county road network.
09:37:22 How well they maintain our our roads, and how well they program out through 6 years as required, having a pavement management system that keeps track of how all of our roads
are doing from from a quality point of view So they can identify roads
09:37:43 that need a repair, or the chip seal, or that have to be re-engineered completely.
09:37:50 How to inspect all their bridges we're evaluated on how much work we perform with county employees in a variety of of other requirements.
09:38:05 And so it's it's a pretty intense program, and I just wanted to recognize our public works department.
09:38:15 Monty rinders, and and all the rest.
09:38:20 They do a really great job, and I just wanted the public to have some understanding of the level of professionalism that we have in our public Works department.
09:38:29 I think it's safe to say that within the county family that our roads department are are some of the rock stars of the family.
09:38:36 I Maybe it is because you got it but I've heard over and over again from from citizens and colleagues in the county alike, just tons of accolades.
09:38:53 Directed at the county Roads department, and you know there have been times when Monte cristo's updates or emails he sends about you know, the icing or some of the chip seal
projects and some
09:39:09 of the amount of work that chip seal crew is done, I think, just from from the bottom to the top.
09:39:15 So it's a really awesome department within the County Yeah, They they do a great job out on the West End repairing, You know.
09:39:24 The roads to get washed out by heavy heavy river flows when it rains hard.
09:39:31 And and they also do a fabulous job of leveraging their minimal tax resources here for Federal and State grants.
09:39:40 So they take a very small amount of money and they get grants so that they can take care of the roads that they're in charge of.
09:39:49 So, anyway. Thank you for letting me walk this on I think It's great that our Public Works Department achieves this every year.
09:39:55 Yeah, Thanks for lifting that up, Mark. Okay. So the the letter where we can share. does that do?
09:40:06 We need to take action on that, or some kind of ceremony?
09:40:19 Well, I think their their memo recommends that we present it in in a suitable fashion.
09:40:27 It is suggested that you present a certificate to your county engineer at an appropriate time.
09:40:33 You know I didn't think to have him present this morning, so that that's a lick on me.
09:40:38 But I think we we could arrange something suitable yeah Let's let's arrange to have him come, and we'll present it .
09:40:52 Monday next Monday, sounds good. Did I hear the word proclamation?
09:40:58 Well, I mean as long as we're honoring our our road road department for their for their work.
09:41:04 I don't know I mean adam and it wouldn't wouldn't be a lot of work.
09:41:08 I don't think i'd be happy to yeah, it'd be easy to say good things.
09:41:13 So Yeah, we'll do a proclamation and we'll invite money next Monday
09:41:21 Okay, I think I have this letter where I can it's not formed in our I Yeah, right.
09:41:38 You charging station, I know, but I was gonna show it, and I have it here to show.
09:41:47 Okay, So i'm gonna share my screen and show this letter that we're going to walk on
09:42:02 Here's the letter we do have it formed on counting letterhead, ready for our signatures today.
09:42:08 But, as I mentioned before, it's in support of a grant or proposal for electric vehicles.
09:42:16 So charging stations at Washington ferry terminals.
09:42:21 And I did ask the question, is this: include our fairy terminal for towns and fairy terminal, and it does not.
09:42:27 But it will put electric V. it more electric. Vehicle charging stations and a charge range of the Olympic Peninsula and Port Townsend.
09:42:38 So it's it helps get people here with a full tank of electricity
09:42:49 Has everyone had a chance to read this letter yes yes that I I'm.
09:42:55 I'm glad to know that there's a you know this is part of a work product of a work group that Uv Work group which includes the Climate Action committee and the beauty.
09:43:07 And others local, 2020. So I think it's been well vetted by the application has been well vetted by a group of folks committed to this, and I know that they're looking at 2
charging locations both in
09:43:19 Portland, and in quilting i'm so glad that there's some South County acknowledgment, too. So this is one of a couple of grants. I think that are being applied for, and you that
we will talk about more
09:43:32 on the nineteenth at the Icg. meeting as well.
09:43:37 So long, long winded way of saying I support it I'm.
09:43:40 Happy to make a motion that we signed the letter. I will second all in favor.
09:43:47 I Okay, we'll send it out today? Okay, it's 9 43.
09:43:57 Is this our I mean music we made a minute of music.
09:44:04 It's 9, 44 and our clocks are off again.
09:44:13 Our clocks are always off so we're 2Â min behind on the phone, So
09:44:23 I Don't know if I can do my I Don't think I can do my look back in in a minute.
09:44:29 Got a lot done last week. i'd love to hear just maybe about the brown great groundbreaking for jump.
09:44:37 I oh, great, yeah, I I can go into that.
09:44:41 That was last Thursday at 4, 30 good crowd of jump volunteers and and parents.
09:44:47 And you know Sarah Grossman and Sarah Melty were both there as well as you know.
09:44:52 Sheriff Noel, and and many, many members of the county team.
09:44:56 Chris from from Iraq as well as Matt, and and it was. It was lovely, you know.
09:45:02 I mean it's What a what a great project to that is really driven by a need in a community that was kind of beyond this the the scope of our the capacity of our our parks, and
red team and man it was
09:45:18 just. It was lovely dig digging dirt and breaking ground with with those kids that are going to be hate have a playground for the first time.
09:45:25 That is, that is accessible to all is very great. you know.
09:45:30 It was a a brief, a brief affair. The The the skies opened up a little bit, and we had.
09:45:37 The rain stopped, and and it was blustery, but clear
09:45:42 And, you know there were smiles all around. It was a great great event, and great to see this, probably in place by September.
09:45:51 And you know, props to Tim Thomas, who who is there?
09:45:55 And in the volunteered to do the the clearing and the prep work.
09:46:00 So this is a project made by a community goodwill and community labor that that we were able to support, and our parks and Re. team is excited to add to the to the stable of
parks that we have in Jefferson county and
09:46:14 playground, so it'll be the the only publicly available accessible to all playgrounds.
09:46:20 You know, in in Jefferson County it's going to be fantastic.
09:46:25 I was so sorry to miss it. but it's really exciting I know there's going to be some unfortunate impacts to the basketball courts there during construction and during construction.
09:46:38 But they'll be open up. yeah and that's for safety, to ensure that folks are crossing through equipment and disturbed ground, and such great Well, we we looks like Dr. berries
joined us so
09:46:56 let's get on with our covid update for May sixteenth.
09:47:05 Hi there! I do have my camera off today, because I have a tiny guest who's right on camera?
09:47:09 So she's still with me at home for a couple more days.
09:47:13 So the covid 19 update We are continuing to see cases rise relatively, rapidly throughout the country.
09:47:20 Driven particularly by the northeast, and the midwest but really throughout the country we're seeing that case rate rise.
09:47:27 We are starting to see hospitalizations rise as well up 20% around the country.
09:47:33 That is less severe than we have seen in Prior Delta and Omicron surges.
09:47:38 But we are certainly starting to see that rise in Washington State.
09:47:41 We are also seeing case rates at rise. No, it very much affected by this case.
09:47:46 Ascertainment issue we've talked about before given that so many of us have moved to home antigen tests.
09:47:53 So when you look at the state numbers, you generally want to multiply them by about 6.
09:47:56 Do a case ascertainment you want some water Okay, we'll get some.
09:48:00 There's some right over there. you want to grab it. there is so the case. rate in Washington State is 394 per 100,000.
09:48:09 So you want to multiply about that by 6, and that puts it at 2,364 400,000 for the State in the last 2 weeks hospitalizations are rising in the State, particularly in the kind
09:48:20 of I. 5 corridor area and we're not seeing a dramatic rise in hospitalizations here.
09:48:27 Yet in Jefferson County we have 66 new cases that came in over the weekend for a total of 3,770, with a case rate of 646 per 100,000 with our case that's Our payment rate that
09:48:41 gives us a rough estimate of about 1,300 cases per 100,000. So, actually less than the State, we at this point 9% positivity.
09:48:49 We have no people currently in the hospital for Covid.
09:48:52 19 for a total of 127 hospitalizations.
09:48:56 So far in this response, and 29 deaths, we did announce one new death last week that was a person in his seventies.
09:49:04 He died out of state, but he did die due to Covid pneumonia.
09:49:08 When we got his death certificate, so we are counting it
09:49:11 He's a Jefferson county resident We don't have any evidence that he was vaccinated in State.
09:49:16 But we can't rule out that He got a vaccine out of State in neighboring Cloud county.
09:49:21 We're up to 12,119 cases 400, that sorry one, 12,119 cases that puts us at a case rate of 670 per 100,000 with an 8,% positivity Those Those are
09:49:36 the people on Mama's meeting yeah yeah We have 2 people currently hospitalized for COVID-19 in Cleveland County for a total of 369 hospitalizations and 112 Deaths so at this
09:49:50 point. we are starting to see hospitalizations rive, but more slowly than in Prior.
09:49:56 Variant waves the that is still predominantly those who are unvaccinated or are un boosted elders.
09:50:03 But we are starting to see a small rise in boosted hospitalizations for people over 65.
09:50:09 It's still relatively small, but given that we're trying to see that, with the amount of cases that we're seeing in our region, I do think it's appropriate at this time to recommend
an additional booster for those over
09:50:20 65. I Still, don't see any evidence for an additional booster for those over 50. certainly not harmful.
09:50:28 Very reasonable to get but we just don't have any evidence that it's needed.
09:50:30 I do think we're starting to see some evidence for benefit for the 65 plus crowd.
09:50:35 However, so I think it would be a good time in addition to wearing a high quality mask to move forward with getting that second booster for our 65 plus set the other big thing
that we're starting to see a lot of
09:50:46 is clusters of Covid 19 transmission in schools.
09:50:51 This is not entirely unsurprising with these kind of case rates, and how many of our students are currently unmasked in schools.
09:50:59 It's an indoor. area where you're sitting with 25 plus people and often especially in junior and senior high moving between multiple classes.
09:51:07 So there's a really high risk of getting exposed to Covid 19 in schools at this point, just due to the unmasking there because of those clusters we have mandated masks in certain
affected classrooms and
09:51:20 most recently in a couple schools as a whole, because we were seeing such significant levels of transmission.
09:51:24 There we are likely to see additional need for masking requirements in schools in the coming weeks, just due to the amount of transmission.
09:51:33 The primary goal there is that we want to see our schools open and our kids able to attend school, and if we get too much transmission at school, if we get too many teachers
infected in particular, we lose the ability to keep kids in
09:51:45 in-person school, so we don't make those decisions lightly. but we have move forward with mandating, masking for a short period of time in schools that are particularly affected
by covid 19 transmission at this point
09:51:58 so at this point we are well beyond the case rate, where we recommend masking in indoor settings.
09:52:05 I would strongly recommend that all of us wear a high quality mask when we're indoors around other people, especially if you're in a group of more than 10 people.
09:52:13 If you're in a store if you're in a business we're starting to see clusters of covid 19 cases in workplaces again, particularly around unmasking so really want to encourage
everyone especially our high risk
09:52:26 folks to put on a mask when you're in an indoor setting.
09:52:30 The other thing I want to touch, based on briefly, is Paxlova distribution.
09:52:35 We have adequate supplies of pexlobin, but we are seeing really high demand for this medication in Jefferson County, primarily due to our case rates and the age of our population
I was just at a call with Jefferson
09:52:49 healthcare this morning, and they wanted me to pass forward this message.
09:52:55 So Jefferson Healthcare is administering Covid 19 antiviral medications for the treatment of Covid 19.
09:53:00 If you have a positive Covid 19 test and seek antiviral medication, please call the nurse consult Hotline.
09:53:08 The consult line is 3, 6, 0, 3, 4, 4, 3, 0, 9, 4, and the nurses will assist you to figure out whether or not you are eligible for that medication, either through a primary
care provider, a primary care
09:53:23 provider evaluation, or potentially through the express clinic.
09:53:26 But please call ahead. If you have Covid 19, we really want to make sure and get you into the appropriate slot, and please try to avoid calling the emergency department.
09:53:36 We had a lot of folks seeking care at the emergency department over the weekend trying to get paxlovid.
09:53:41 That's understandable if you're sick with covid and you know your high risk.
09:53:44 We wanna make sure you get treated but it's better to call them Nurse Console Hotline, because of the demand.
09:53:49 Right now you will likely have to leave a message, but go ahead and leave that message.
09:53:53 They will call you back and we'll make sure you can access that medication.
09:53:58 Just know that there's a lot of demand for that service so if they don't pick up right away.
09:54:02 It's just because they're helping someone else and We'll make sure that we get everybody taken care of. And so with that I am oh, sorry, one last big detail I wanna touch base
on so in the United States as a
09:54:14 whole, we are likely to pass 1 million deaths due to Covid 19 in the next day.
09:54:21 One to 2 days from now we are likely to surpass that number based on the Johns.
09:54:24 Hopkins death estimates that's a sobering number that I don't think any of us ever thought we were going to pass and many of those deaths were unnecessary when it comes to
09:54:35 Covid 19. We know how to prevent transmission of Covid 19.
09:54:38 At this point we know how to prevent severe disease and death.
09:54:41 The best thing we can do to reduce severe disease to the Covid 19 is to get vaccinated.
09:54:46 The best thing we can do to reduce transmission of Covid 19 is to wear a high quality mask in indoor settings.
09:54:53 So if we do those 2 things alone, we can reduce future deaths from Covid.
09:54:57 19. I am glad to say that in Jefferson County we have not seen that level of death due to Covid 19, largely due to the work of our community to do those 2 important things.
09:55:07 But I really want to encourage all of us to keep masking in indoor settings.
09:55:12 If you haven't gotten your vaccine and your booster, please move forward with it, and if you're over 65, consider getting a second booster as well, so that you can be protected
in this most recent search so with that i'm happy
09:55:22 to take any questions, and I know we got a number of Kbtz questions, but I also know we have some right here in the zoom room.
09:55:33 So Gregor Kate I mean i'll i'll defer to Kate.
09:55:38 Start off. Yes, yes, i've had a crash course in Covid.
09:55:43 I I thought I knew a lot about Covid, and then actually having it for the last week has taught me a lot more.
09:55:51 So china to dominate with too many questions but I do have a couple and and and i'll just say I have no idea where I got it.
09:55:59 And i'm pretty darn careful so the level of community transmission is high and and I didn't I Technically, I had a mild case, but it did not feel miles.
09:56:09 It's been very hard so one question Dr. barry I did not consider seeking Pecks love it, even though people mentioned or asked if I was going to.
09:56:19 I just assumed, because i'm relatively young and healthy that I would not be eligible.
09:56:25 Can you speak to what makes one eligible for that?
09:56:28 And if there is any benefit, and not seeking, it if you are, or maybe borderline or what's the thinking there sure.
09:56:36 So Pexlovitt is the oral medication to treat Covid 19.
09:56:41 It works very well. It is only authorized for people who are high risk of severe disease due to covid 19. and so that means people over 65 or anyone 12, and up who has underlying
medical conditions that could be things
09:56:54 like asthma, copd heart disease, immunosuppression.
09:57:00 If you do have underlying conditions I do recommend moving forward with trying to access Pexlovid, it's a strain to try to get everybody treated.
09:57:09 But we don't want people to avoid. treatment at this point but I have heard from some folks who are you know young, healthy, and don't have, underlying conditions of hey?
09:57:16 Can I have some 2? I hear it works really well which is understandable because Covid 19 is really unpleasant, even if you have a mild case.
09:57:25 But right now it's only authorized for those who are likely to have severe disease.
09:57:29 So anyone 12 in up with underlying conditions, any one over 65 especially those who are immunosuppressed, or those who are getting treatment for cancer therapy.
09:57:40 Those are the folks who need that treatment. the very most because we know that they're not getting the full benefit of their vaccine to prevent severe disease.
09:57:48 So certainly. if you fall in either of those 2 categories categories, please get tested and call to access that treatment right away.
09:57:56 We want to get it to you sooner rather than later.
09:57:59 We do still have the monoclonal antibodies available as well.
09:58:03 Paxlovid can be given up to 5 days after your first symptoms.
09:58:08 The Monoclonal antibodies can be given up to 7 days after your first symptoms, and so we can get folks.
09:58:13 Those 2. if you're if you're past the 5 day cut off and I thought it might be good along those same lines, since a lot of us are getting a crash course in this we talked a bit
in detail about how to
09:58:24 manage household contacts. Last time we were together, and I thought it might be useful to touch base a little bit on isolation.
09:58:30 I'm getting a lot of calls from my friends who are testing positive because there is so much in the community of what really those isolation protocols mean.
09:58:39 So if you test positive for Covid, the most important thing is to isolate for those first 5 days after your symptoms start.
09:58:48 But then there comes a lot of question about what do you do after day?
09:58:50 5. So if you're asymptomatic if your symptoms have gone away by the end of day 5 it is okay to leave isolation, and where a high quality mask but do avoid hireless settings
you
09:59:03 don't go into a long-term care facility, or a jail, or any of those high risk settings.
09:59:08 And if you're gonna be going into a congregate setting, including a place like schools it is required to get negative test.
09:59:15 But before you leave isolation early, so we do have antigen tests available at our schools at our daycare.
09:59:20 So places where we know that people are going to be very close together, and we don't want to risk for transmission.
09:59:26 There some things that you can do successfully in isolation?
09:59:31 So you can do curbside pickup of groceries that is acceptable in isolation.
09:59:36 You can go outside so you can meet up with friends. and family outside. as long as you keep some distance between you, so you don't have to stay in time in your home.
09:59:47 We've been dealing with isolation of my daughter in this house, and so we still go on very distance types just to get outside.
09:59:55 We work in the garden. there are lots of things you can do to try to make it a little more manageable.
10:00:00 But outside meetups with some distance are very reasonable, and then wearing a mask around a small group of people.
10:00:07 After day. 5 is also very reasonable If you're symptoms have gone away, so can I can I follow up on that, because the the the Cdc guidance does include that you you might choose
to wait until you test negative to come out
10:00:23 of isolation, and I have been stuck in this limbo of I'm. still testing positive on day 8 which is unusual, I think, and I tend to be a rule follower.
10:00:38 And want to be really conscientious so i'm i'm still in my bedroom on day 8 and is there benefit to that. it's it's so confusing to have the cdc
10:00:48 guidance. Say yes, you can come out after day 5 and then, but if you, it actually says, if you want to test negative, and i'm like that is not helpful that's not helpful guidance
the rough rule of thumb I would say is
10:01:02 after day. 5. it's reasonable to start slowly kind of bringing back some contact, depending on how risk risky that contact is so.
10:01:11 For instance, you know, in family groupings. one of the hardest things can be having separate yourself from family and so, coming out in a well-fitted mask, having the other
people masked around you, and having some kind of short meetups with
10:01:26 your family, I think, is reasonable as long as you maintain masking.
10:01:30 I wouldn't on day 6 have an unmasked dinner for example, with your family, because 30% of people are still shedding viable virus between days, 6 and 10.
10:01:40 But if you're massed you have a small group and you have these kind of critical social interactions that you need for your mental health, I think that is very reasonable, we
just don't want you to go into kind of big group
10:01:50 crowded settings. or certainly visit high risk people during that time.
10:01:55 But yes, I think the Cdc guidance is confusing.
10:01:59 And so what I would say is the big takeaway is definitely stay home for 5 days beyond 5 days.
10:02:05 It's reasonable to start interacting with small groups of people in mass settings.
10:02:10 If you're asymptomatic if you're still coughing significantly.
10:02:14 Then please do stay home. because that's gonna really increase the probability that you're shedding viable virus.
10:02:19 You can take tests to leave isolation early, for instance, to go into a higher risk space like a school.
10:02:26 But if you if you're if you test positive up to date 10. if you're testing positive after day 10, you can go ahead and leave isolation.
10:02:36 But whether or not you test after day 5, you still have to wear a mask in those in those group indoor settings, and when you say leave, early, that is, after the 5 days right
no one should leave isolation, before day,
10:02:52 5 but day 6 through 10 it's reasonable to start start scaling back those interactions.
10:02:58 Where a good high quality mask, But before you go to any high risk space before you get on a plane before you go to a school or any high risk space like that, please do take
a test first to make sure you're testing negative because those
10:03:09 are spaces where you really could expose a lot of people.
10:03:12 If you were still positive. Yeah, well, and I guess just it I will also say for the public's benefit, that you know I I was getting on an airplane supposed to get on an airplane
a week ago to fly to
10:03:25 Dc. I felt totally fine, and took a test just kind of on a whim of like, hey?
10:03:30 Wouldn't it be a bummer to find out I was positive in Dc.
10:03:34 And sure enough it was positive, and so i'm so glad I didn't get in an airplane I didn't go to you know 10 meetings in Dc.
10:03:43 Before getting symptomatic. Yeah, I think thank you for sharing that story.
10:03:47 I think it is important to note that you know the folks who are testing positive right now are generally people who are being conscientious and testing, so is not to expose
other people.
10:03:58 And really all of this talk about isolation is to protect the people around you as to make sure that you know this really stops with you.
10:04:05 And I think one thing that it's not fun to have a kid in isolation, and to deal with quarantine
10:04:12 But the goal there is to try to make sure that this virus doesn't go beyond us, that we keep it here, and we don't have to deal with feeling like we gave other people covid
19 all right.
10:04:24 I have a question i've been I haven't contracted Covid yet, and and but I I feel like I'm increasingly nervous about it as the case case counts go up and the situation
10:04:38 around the cases, changes, and i'm just wondering Maybe this is more question for my colleagues here.
10:04:45 Should we go back to virtual meetings I mean We have maybe one or 2 people come into the chambers with us?
10:04:51 It's hard for me to wear my mask and be audible, or an understandable with these microphones, and so i'm just feeling like maybe it's time to Think about while we're at this
high hi
10:05:07 rate on the meter. but I have my question yours.
10:05:12 I have a very similar question. to hear from Dr.
10:05:14 Barrett. I believe that opma is going to require us to come up with some local emergency proclamation language to meet meetings virtual, and I think that in light of the I guess
i'm wondering if Dr.
10:05:26 Barry would would think that's the best practice right now. I mean, I feel like, yeah, a lot of the hybrid meetings are a little clunky scale as well as we work through it.
10:05:35 So some of the committees that i'm on are not i'm not gonna be able to manage hybrid meetings. if not everyone has a laptop in front of them.
10:05:43 Well and and do their work as effectively. So I guess.
10:05:46 What do you think about going back to? virtual meetings? Dr.
10:05:49 Barry. I certainly think that virtual meetings are the safest option.
10:05:54 They're gonna reduce the risk of transmission in those settings, because if we have a positive, we know that we're not exposing everybody else in that room, I do think it is
possible to do a hybrid meeting
10:06:05 safely if it's small you know so what you're describing a small group in an indoor setting, with maybe a few members of the public.
10:06:13 I think that can be done Well, but it's if we start seeing larger meetings. we're you know 2030 people packing the indoor spaces.
10:06:24 That's not something I would recommend at this point if if we do end up meeting a proclamation.
10:06:31 I don't know that we actually fully rescinded Dr.
10:06:36 Locke's prior one so I think it might still be on the books.
10:06:40 Because we didn't move to the full in person meetings. so we can take a look at that if we decide to move to all virtual for Jefferson County as a whole.
10:06:50 Certainly safest is virtual, a small indoor mass public meeting can be done well, but I wouldn't recommend any large indoor meetings at this point, and I think just for the
public's benefit one of the things that We are
10:07:03 seeing in our investigations is we're starting to see very large meetings, you know.
10:07:08 People are having big rotary club meetings with 100 people indoors, having meals together.
10:07:15 And we're seeing big outbreaks again related to that.
10:07:18 And so I think the challenge we're facing is this kind of general move.
10:07:21 To return to normalcy. those kind of big indoor, unmasked meetings.
10:07:26 Those are very risky and much more risky than kind of what you're describing of less than 10 people I would say, for my own risk mitigation.
10:07:34 I don't like to be in crowds of more than 10 people. if there's not good quality masking at this time, there's just too much covid going on Well, I think from my personal comfort.
10:07:49 I starting next week, I think i'll participate from my office.
10:07:56 Yeah, if yeah, it's unpleasant to get Covid, so it is worth trying to avoid
10:08:04 And particularly with us, trying to see some strain on our healthcare system, particularly to manage just outpatient prescription and medication.
10:08:10 I think anything we all can do to reduce transmission.
10:08:13 Our community would help having all of us do a little works a lot better than a few of us doing everything.
10:08:19 So if if more of us can wear mass and indoor settings, if more of us can move forward with getting our boosters.
10:08:26 So those 2 things in particular will make a big difference to reduce transmission here.
10:08:33 Did you want to say something? Yeah, Mark? Oh, yes, Dr.
10:08:39 Barry, could you remind people where they can get their booster shots?
10:08:45 Sure So they are booster shots available at many of our local pharmacies.
10:08:52 And if you go to Jefferson County public health we've got a list of who's currently offering what vaccines?
10:08:57 You can also get vaccinated through Jefferson County Public health.
10:09:01 We have been filling up our slots lately, especially for boosters.
10:09:06 We are one of the only places in town where you can get very small children vaccinated, so we keep.
10:09:11 We keep some slots available for kids. We can still get kids in really quickly.
10:09:15 So if you have a child who you want to get vaccinated or get boosted if they're eligible for that, if they're over 12, we can get them in pretty quickly, but for boosters
10:09:26 we're booking out kind of a couple of weeks generally. but the vast majority of pharmacies can do it.
10:09:33 You can also get back needed in your primary care appointments.
10:09:35 When you go see your healthcare provider generally our healthcare Providers are so busy right now that they can't just see you for a vaccine.
10:09:42 It's better to go to the pharmacies for that. but if you are seeing your primary care provider, check-in about getting that additional booster, if you're eligible, So my 2 shots
on my booster were
10:09:54 all pfizer, so am I constrained regarding what?
10:09:59 What booster I could get. Great question. you can get either of the Mrna Boosters so pfizer or moderna generally.
10:10:07 Your your best bank for your buck is actually to mix a little bit and get a moderna booster if you can get one and so you can go to vaccine.
10:10:13 Finder to figure out which pharmacy has which one
10:10:18 But if you can only find another pfizer that's a great second booster, but it's only the Mrna Vaccines that we do second Boston boosters for you can't get an additional g and
10:10:25 J: Okay, Thank you. Thank you. Any other questions in the zoom room here.
10:10:34 I know I saw at least a couple Kbtz questions this week.
10:10:40 Sure. So one question I got was about the Cdc community levels, and comparing that to how we talk about risk here.
10:10:49 So this person said that it looks like the Cdc.
10:10:53 Considers Jefferson County low risk But here? we consider it higher risk.
10:10:57 What's the difference What's going on there interestingly we have just crossed over into the medium risk category for this.
10:11:03 Even the Cdc's measures, just because of how much community transmission we have, so we're out of the lowest by Cdc's measures, the Cdc.
10:11:12 Introduced community levels as a way of understanding the risk in a given community.
10:11:17 Towards the end of March of this year, and it was a pretty dramatic change in how the Cdc measures risk.
10:11:24 So they used to have a risk dial that was very similar to arts.
10:11:26 That was basically exclusively on COVID-19 cases in your region.
10:11:31 Then, at the end of March they introduced these community levels that basically made the vast majority of the country go from high risk to low risk overnight.
10:11:39 And that was very confusing for many of us, I can tell you.
10:11:42 It was pretty roundly criticized by most epidemiologists, myself included, because of the thresholds that they set so in the Cdc community levels.
10:11:52 What they set was that basically in order to be in the move from low to medium risk, You have to have more than 400 cases per 1,000 in the last 2 weeks, which is a very high
number that's just to go from load to
10:12:06 medium, and then, in order to be good, to get into high, you have to have hospitals that are overwhelmed.
10:12:12 And I think there is definitely some benefit for considering hospital utilization in our risk.
10:12:20 Calculus. But the challenge is when you look at the community levels this. the Cdc.
10:12:24 Use those community levels to decide whether or not you should wear a mask at all, and so on.
10:12:28 The Cdc. community level risk estimator it doesn't even say all of us should wear masks until the hospitals are already overwhelmed, and that is far too late.
10:12:39 If we wait until our hospitals are in dire straits before we consider wearing a mask and indoor settings, we're going to be in a world apart, so we want to wear masks in their
settings before our
10:12:50 hospitals are overwhelmed we don't want to do that again.
10:12:54 And so that's why we pay so much attention to case rates here, so we can try to prevent hospital overload.
10:13:00 We also pay attention to case rates particularly because that's one actually determines your personal risk.
10:13:05 You know from a individual standpoint, it doesn't really matter whether or not the hospitals are full that doesn't tell you whether or not you're going to get covid 19 in this
room what does tell you whether or not
10:13:15 you're going to get Covid 19 in this room is our case rates. And so our current risk dial much more closely mirrors.
10:13:24 Actually the Cdc's original case rates that determined low to high risk as far as community transmission. So that's why you see the difference.
10:13:33 You'll find many, many epidemiologists many public health departments around the country have kind of held on the old risk dials, because we felt that the Cdc community levels
just swung way too, far in the opposite
10:13:45 direction, and I think those have unfortunately contributed to the community understanding that Covid 19 is over, because if you look at the Cdc.
10:13:54 Map looks like everybody's green but it turns out you're green until your hospitals are overwhelmed, and that that doesn't really fit that Well, with reality. So we're holding
on to ours we do think it's helpful, for
10:14:05 people to know how high Covid 19 rates are in.
10:14:09 They are very high right now. Wearing a mask is something all of us can do.
10:14:12 Simple thing that we can do in endor settings to protect ourselves and our neighbors.
10:14:18 Other questions. One person asked If I can repeat the total number of new cases that came in over the weekend.
10:14:24 So we got 66 new cases over the weekend.
10:14:27 Our case rate is up to 646 per 100,000
10:14:31 So certainly very much in the high transmission. room. I would strongly recommend masking in indoor settings, and would certainly avoid large crowded areas where people are
unmassed.
10:14:42 If you Aren't able to wear a mask in those spaces remember that high quality masks do do a fantastic job of protecting you.
10:14:50 So K. N. 95 or A. K. F. 94, or an N. 95.
10:14:55 If you tolerate it, can really protect you. Well, even if other people around you are unmasked.
10:15:00 This person was talking about kind of how we can spread the word better about the rate of transmission in our community.
10:15:08 We did send out some new signage for businesses where they could post assign with a Qr.
10:15:16 Code that links to our risk dial so it'll automatically update.
10:15:18 If you scan the Qr code we have found for the businesses, it's hard for them to update the dial and print off a new sign whenever the dial moves.
10:15:28 And so we haven't moved forward with giving them some that they have to update as the dial changes. we've just done the Qr.
10:15:33 Code. I think. this person sharing that it seems like a lot of people don't know how bad covid 19 transmission is in our region, and I think that's True, and I think part of
that really is that
10:15:45 we're finding a bit of an Uphill battle against the national discourse around Covid 19 because of things like the Cdc community levels. things like kind of a general political
move to want to move past.
10:15:56 It, and I think fatigue. You know our our communities are fatigued.
10:16:00 Many people want to be past covid the hard thing is we just aren't past it yet. I don't think we're at a point where we need to mandate masking universally really the trigger
for that would be
10:16:11 if we saw our hospitals be overwhelmed. but we are certainly at a place where we should mask indoor settings to protect ourselves and to protect others.
10:16:22 Couple other quick questions. more was about quarantine If you have a family member who is positive for covid 19. We talked, and I mentioned particularly after that person takes
a shower waiting an hour before you use the bathroom that's because you get
10:16:36 aristolized viral particles in a shower that hang in the air for up to 70Â min.
10:16:42 This person is asking, Do they have to wait even longer if they're gonna take a shower?
10:16:45 No, it's, said the 70Â min is how long it takes for those viral particles to settle out of the air and land on the surfaces.
10:16:53 They don't live long on surfaces so it's. Okay, if they're on the surfaces the main things, you don't want them up in the air wash your hands as you exit the
10:17:02 bathroom, as you normally would, anyway, and that should keep you plenty safe.
10:17:08 Last question was, how concerned should we be about being unmasked in large, close crowds outside, ie.
10:17:15 The Rody parade. Should we mask up, I would say, Generally outside transmission is incredibly rare.
10:17:21 The one exception to that that I when I would put a mask on would be if I was in a large large outdoor crowd close together.
10:17:29 That wasn't moving so for instance, if you're watching the Rody parade, and your shoulder to shoulder with a bunch of other people.
10:17:35 That is one of the few times outside that you could get covid And so if I were shoulders shoulder, we weren't moving, we're just gonna stand there next to a bunch of strangers.
10:17:44 That's a time where I would think about masking up If it was a really large crowd in an outdoor setting.
10:17:49 But if you're moving, if air is moving freely you generally don't have to mask when you're outside, and that is all I have
10:18:00 Thank you, Dr. Barry. text so multitasking right now.
10:18:07 Appreciate all the updates. have any other questions cropped up in the zoom room.
10:18:16 Here we look phone if I could just make a comment and it's something something i'm aware of, and curious.
10:18:23 If you want to respond to this, Dr. barry but you know when I got sicker than I expected to, which I don't know why I did. Why, I thought I would have such a mild case. but
I didn't I
10:18:34 was really surprised in looking for kind of help, help online, of how how to treat Covid.
10:18:43 There was so little available, I mean really just trying to find comfort at home.
10:18:49 There was so little information available. Everything online was about how to prevent transmission, and I just felt a little sad that, like a lot of people were suffering.
10:18:58 And it was really hard to find good information about just basic comfort care.
10:19:03 And the and you know I think that's a great opportunity for misinformation.
10:19:09 Then to fill that vacuum and i'm Curious is it like? because the medical community wants to be cautious about providing kind of blanket medical advice in a forum.
10:19:26 Like the Internet. But you know, I was just like what pain reliever should I take?
10:19:29 Is it okay to use cold medicine? like are the things I shouldn't do while I still have a fever, and that kind of information was almost impossible to find.
10:19:37 And I just felt sad for the amount of pain that people have been in with without access to good information.
10:19:44 No, I think it's a really good point being a doctor, that my friends know.
10:19:46 I get those questions a lot. And so that tells me that there is a gap in information online.
10:19:53 And I think I think that is something we can help fill.
10:19:57 Generally, I think part of that is that you know the medical community is weirdly risk, averse when it comes to this kind of thing, and also overwhelmed to give some benefit
of the doubt.
10:20:06 But I think it would help to just put some general messaging out there about what to do when you have Covid, How do you take care of yourself?
10:20:14 How do you just help yourself feel better? Just a little bit That I can give right now is generally the same things you would do for a cold or flu, or fine with Covid?
10:20:24 And are helpful. so one of the most common ways in particular our elders end up getting hospitalized is they get dehydrated
10:20:32 So to make sure you're. hydrating well really good way to hide beyond water is just to take some gatorade and diluted in half
10:20:41 And if you drink that that will really help you stay hydrated through the process, if you're noticing that you're getting a little bit dehydrated, Tylenol is fine if you normally
can take tylenol you can take
10:20:51 it with Covid, and it can help reduce your fever.
10:20:55 There is no danger to reduce your fever as long as You're taking your medications within the normal prescription ranges, so you can take Tylenol or ibprofen.
10:21:03 They both work fine to help kind of reduce symptoms.
10:21:07 Normal, cold medicine like daycall and like well, are also fine.
10:21:10 When you have covid humidity, can also be helpful to reduce coughing symptoms. so especially if you've got little ones at home, Humidity can be really helpful or just kind of
classic old
10:21:20 remedies like ginger team meant tea or like this vapor up. also really help with the littles to help kind of loosen things up, and just help those symptoms feel a little bit
better that's
10:21:31 most of what we lean on around here. and if you say hydrated, if you kind of manage those symptoms of pain and discomfort and fever that helps make it a little bit more tolerable,
and of course, eat
10:21:43 well as much as you feel comfortable. Some people do get pretty nauseous with Covid.
10:21:48 Some people don't Some people do still experience changes in their sense of taste.
10:21:52 So just eat what feels the most comfortable for you but even more important than food.
10:21:57 It's important to stay hydrated. good broths things like that go a long way to help you.
10:22:03 Just feel a little more human as you get through it.
10:22:06 And I do think Your point about mile disease is important.
10:22:09 When we talk about mild versus severe disease in the medical community.
10:22:14 What we what we mean when we say mild is you don't need an icu bed. but that doesn't mean it feels great to have it.
10:22:21 That's much different than I think how most of the public thinks about miles for some people people really do feel like they have a mild cold, and that's great for a lot of
people They feel like I have a solid case.
10:22:31 Of the flow. and i've heard from a lot of friends that it's worse than they thought it was gonna be
10:22:39 It varies a lot based on the person. The other thing that we do see still is kind of
10:22:43 It is a vascular disease, so some people will describe that they have kind of poor circulation.
10:22:50 Things like that, saying, well hydrated helps with that, and keeping your extremities.
10:22:54 Worm helps as well. Thank you, Dr. Barry. The The practical, tangible tips really help, cause I mean I.
10:23:05 The 1 one thing I would add is i've gotten a few people asking me when i'm asking why i'm asking, and i'm like well, i'm mostly i'm asking because there are older folks in my
life.
10:23:17 Who I care about fiercely you know some of my my closest family that I don't wanna get sick and
10:23:28 I think I worry about them more than I worry about myself.
10:23:30 But it's the answer I give people cause i'm gonna be because I want to be in contact with my mom and my mom's friends, and a lot of my aunt my auntie's my adopted aunties and
10:23:43 uncles in the community, and I don't want to make anybody sick, and that's a core motivation for me and
10:23:51 One of the big reasons I don't wanna get sick so that's really important money.
10:24:02 We want to take care of and that's the other reason Why, you test quickly If you get sick we were really lucky we caught my daughter's infection, on mother's day right before
we met with my Mom, who's in
10:24:11 her seventies. so thankfully we were able to keep from exposing her and so testing quickly wearing a mask makes a huge difference to reduce transmission to others.
10:24:24 And I think it's also remind us of the website where you get free tests.
10:24:28 Say Yes, say yes, Covid test. You can get free tests from the State, and you can get up to 10 up to every month if you need so definitely.
10:24:35 You utilize that service, you can also get them from the Federal Government site as well.
10:24:40 Those tend to take just a little bit longer than the state site you can order from both. You could still get them at libraries and at Jefferson County.
10:24:48 Public health as well for Jefferson County public health supply because we actually purchase those we keep those for.
10:24:53 If you're symptomatic, or exposed but everywhere, else particularly through, say as covid test, you can order them before you're sick, and I recommend you do thank you so much,
Dr.
10:25:04 Barry and little Barry. I hear hear the little Barry in the background.
10:25:11 Yeah, she likes the meetings. Well, thanks for your time. again this morning, and we'll talk to you next week.
10:25:18 Hopefully, our case rates will moderate a little bit. Yeah. Thanks so much.
10:25:25 So we have a hearing at 1030. Do we want to take a a quick little break stretch, break, Okay, this is Willie.
10:25:42 You got a question today, too? Did you have something to add, Mark?
10:25:47 I was gonna say I got an email from willie apparently he had a migraine all night, and his recovering.
10:25:54 So that's why it's nice we'll get this question to him.
10:31:05 Oh, this Tickle: Okay.
10:31:22 Okay, welcome back. everybody. 1030, And on our agenda this morning we have a hearing.
10:31:29 1030 Hearing regarding a resolution for Jefferson County Public Health department's, application to funds and eligible uses of the State Community Development Block Grant is
that application this Cdbg is for the 2,000 and
10:31:44 2223 general purpose, Grant program, and is for $483,570 to be used for housing and rehabilitation, but more specifically for working with homeowners to repair those septic
10:32:00 systems, and we have Amanda Christofferson here today with public health.
10:32:05 Who's going to introduce this proposal for us Do we need to bring her over?
10:32:16 We're bringing Amanda over
10:32:30 Hmm. So you don't need , thank you Oh, yeah, you'll need to speak right into that microphone.
10:32:44 Okay, i'll share my screen
10:32:59 Amanda. Can you unmute yourself she's with us she's on the owl.
10:33:06 Can you hear me? You need to swallow that and I've shared my screen.
10:33:16 But i'm not Oh, yeah great so this morning i'll be presenting information about Jefferson County's and discuss the things that can be used for the general purpose grant and
hopefully receive public comment
10:33:52 on things that those citizens of Jefferson County see as specific needs.
10:33:59 And then present my application for using it as housing rehabilitation funds specifically for septic systems.
10:34:15 Expanding the program outside of the shoreline. So the Community Development Block grant run by the State Department of Commerce, is a specifically for counties that are less
than 50,000 people.
10:34:30 Yes, an applicant based program there's 12 million dollars in the general purpose.
10:34:39 Grant fund for the State Department of Commerce to spread over the different county and applicants. the
10:34:49 Opportunities are for development, infrastructure, planning, housing, and housing, rehabilitation and micro enterprise, investment, and all those are really great opportunities
that I hope our county takes advantage of in the next few years
10:35:12 it from my review of past applications. to the community development block Grant for general purpose funds. We haven't used very much of it, and I think that there's just so
much great opportunity in our county specifically.
10:35:27 This can be used for sewer water streets and sidewalks and other infrastructure.
10:35:32 Community facilities like pools. community centers.
10:35:38 Senior centers. like I said the micro enterprise assistance which could be great, and in the case that I'm, looking at specifically housing rehabilitation and infrastructure
and supportive about affordable
10:35:52 housing, so things like the casual brown village supporting some development.
10:35:55 There and then planning so sort of you can get up to $30,000 to look and investigate.
10:36:06 Some of these larger infrastructure projects, and the I wish I could go back.
10:36:13 But the national goal of These funds is to principally benefit.
10:36:24 And what i'm looking at this section right here at the bottom the national objectives, and that's principally benefit low and moderate income.
10:36:30 Folks hi aids in the prevention or elimination of slums or blight, and addressing imminent threat to public health or safety.
10:36:42 So. those are the national objectives but i'm sure that there are lots of uses in that, and I want to bring this to the attention of our citizenry and the board of county commissioners
in Washington state's past
10:37:01 in 2021 something called the Heel Act. And this is a healthy environment for all act.
10:37:10 That really is an environmental justice piece of legislation that points and mandates that different departments of the States, including the Department of Commerce and the
Department of Health as well as the Department of Ecology, really look to
10:37:29 Address: disproportionate environmental health impacts on low income communities and and my specific case of wastewater treatment.
10:37:41 This is comes into play. i believe that that's an important area, where harm can be reduced by providing better access to funds for people who can't otherwise afford to repair
or place or install a wastewater
10:37:56 treatment. So yeah, And really I would like to open this up to I i'm gonna put this question here.
10:38:05 I know that it might not be the time during which we can receive comment.
10:38:10 But the intention of this hearing is to inform the systemary of the funds that are available, and to really find out what they feel they want, and they need.
10:38:21 And I apologize for not having held the hearing in a more timely manner.
10:38:28 This grant applications are due june first and But they are due to first every year, and this year there's 11.5 million dollars available statewide, and next year I don't imagine
that will go down head is
10:38:42 really funding is doing a good job finding consistent fighting for this.
10:38:48 So even if we don't fulfill all of the needs of the sisters in this year, I hope that this is an opportunity for them to think on it and provide ideas for next year, and the
application that I currently have
10:39:06 prepared is based on my work in the Environment Health Department as a in water quality and also in the onset type enforcement program.
10:39:17 And in addition I manage a current grant that was written by our former environmental health.
10:39:27 Director Stewart Whitford that comes from it's funding from the national estuary program to support homeowners on the shoreline, or with freshwater that flows to the shoreline
and those homeowners
10:39:41 specifically to help them with septic, prepare and replacement, and we have distributed nearly $200,000 in the last 8 months.
10:39:56 And helped 6 homeowners get full replacements and it's been, I think, really overwhelming to me to see how much demand there has been from property owners who do not live near
the shoreline.
10:40:07 And we have tried to advertise that very clearly that the point of the main qualifications was that you needed to live in within proximity.
10:40:14 But still people need support. and I was so thankful and grateful that they did reach out and say, But what if you know, is there any chance?
10:40:25 And and and it motivated me to say, Okay, Well, we need a pot of money, and if a Grant program for folks who are not bound by the shoreline and I looked around and found this.
10:40:42 So currently Our grant program is limited to the shoreline, but this would open it up to the entirety of the county, including West, the West.
10:40:49 End. and you again would have to be income qualified and we would use our craft 3 partner, to look at those finances and income qualify because we believe that that's best done
in a wheelhouse that is specific
10:41:05 to finances, and i'm prepareding currently that properties who do not current I'm.
10:41:12 Proposing that properties do not currently have septic systems would also qualify our current system.
10:41:16 Sort of looks at only people who have septic systems or pre-perment systems.
10:41:21 But I believe that in in alignment with the environmental justice initiative, that folks who don't currently have permitted systems to also qualify, and the budget currently
looks at excuse me.
10:41:34 I have to call it's not comfortable i've tested 3 times so approximately with our budget approximately 20 homeowners could receive up to 20,000 great
10:42:04 Okay. Amanda will get water
10:42:10 Well, I have. yeah, I have no i'm excited about this I have no hesitation.
10:42:17 What I have a clarifying question before you open for testimony.
10:42:19 But yeah, super excited previous Grant 315 and she said. They've expended 200.
10:42:29 I think there's some that are ongoing right now. oh, I can ask that question when she comes back.
10:42:37 We'll wait for Amanda to come back to open the hearing
10:42:48 In preparation for opening the hearing I would say If People want to get ready with raising their hands in the zoom room by pressing the race hand button at the bottom of the
screen.
10:42:58 Or if you're on the phone by pressing star 9 that'll help us get you over for testifying more quickly.
10:43:08 And then I had one question. Is there funding remaining from the previous grant?
10:43:13 Nope, Kate, or Greg, did you have any questions you wanted to ask before
10:43:24 I maybe i'll wait for until after the testimony sorry. No, no, . I.
10:43:31 I get costs like that. too. don't don't don't, It's fine i'll i'll i'll i'll stay until we wait.
10:43:38 Okay, so I will open the hearing. We welcome everyone to this public hearing regarding environment, Environmental public health application for a community development block
grant for a septic cost share projects in the amount of 483,500 and
10:44:00 $70. if there are folks interested in making a comment, I see a hands going up as your elected officials.
10:44:10 You want to hear your public testimony on this issue It will help inform our deliberations and decisions.
10:44:16 I'll now open the hearing to listen to public testimony as I said, If you've joined via zoom use the race hand button at the bottom of the zoom screen.
10:44:25 If you're on the phone I want to make a comment please hit 9 Star 9 to raise your hand.
10:44:32 Then we'll bring you over, and each person. must state their name and place a residence, and we'll have up to 3Â min for co-op for comments.
10:44:43 So the hearing is open
10:44:56 Good morning again, Mr. Bowen. You have 3Â min for public comments.
10:45:06 Okay. first little satire. It was pointed out that this was available for Western Jefferson.
10:45:14 The sake of the media. I hope they get it right.
10:45:15 This time that Gardner is Western Eastern Jeffrey, and not Western Jefferson County.
10:45:24 So I hope, what the true Western Jefferson County the ho Valley the Queen's Corridor is is considered in this program.
10:45:31 But I wish, she said, your screen share, because I think the bullet captured it best.
10:45:36 There those without a I I need a I have a clarifying question.
10:45:41 Those without septic systems are eligible. And what are some of the details behind that?
10:45:48 What does that mean? Does that mean, like a side assessment?
10:45:51 The soils analysis just some basics. Just so. we, the public, have an understanding of what those without septic really means would be helpful.
10:46:00 Thank you very much
10:46:05 And could you state your your where you live? please?
10:46:10 Well, i'm a taxpayer landowner of Western Jefferson County.
10:46:14 Thank you.
10:46:20 Can you respond to that question? Oh, okay, Is there anybody else on Zoom?
10:46:29 Wishing to make a comment on this topic, you can use the raise hand button at the bottom of the screen or press star 9.
10:46:36 If you're on the phone, Okay,
10:46:52 Okay, Tanya, you can unmute yourself, and you have 3Â min for public comment.
10:46:56 Thank you very much, and thank you for this opportunity to to learn more about this opportunity.
10:47:05 My name is Tanya Barnett, and I am the family resource navigator for Jefferson County.
10:47:10 I work through the Ymca. and I live in Irondale and but I work all throughout Jefferson County, and I just and i'm really excited amanda and everyone here about this opportunity.
10:47:29 I I work with families throughout our county who who who are just stretched to the point of breaking financially.
10:47:38 And working with a particular family, and I don't I want to keep them anonymous.
10:47:44 But they have been residing on their land for for many years.
10:47:50 This is a family who's income is just a little over a $1,000 a month.
10:47:57 We're looking at a household of 3 with a minor in the household, and the the the primary provider has serious medical issues.
10:48:09 It's so many different financial constraints obviously when you're when your income is that is that minimal and they don't have a septic system and this is something it's been
sort of a
10:48:22 pipe dream for for the family for a while and it's something that that it's very very hard and painful to disclose in order to get help.
10:48:38 And so I I just want to share this this family's case
10:48:45 As an example of, I have a potential family that would greatly benefit.
10:48:51 And my my question is somewhat similar to the previous in you know how.
10:48:55 How would this family qualify? Do they have to reside on the land for a certain number of years?
10:49:02 So that it isn't just you know something that is speculative.
10:49:09 Obviously income would be would be a determining factor. but
10:49:15 The question that I think I have, in addition to how do you qualify?
10:49:20 Would be. How do we destigmatize?
10:49:25 Folks who who desperately need these, this service in particular, let alone everything else bulleted in that potential list.
10:49:34 But talking about septic how do we de stigmatize the process and make it so that people can come forward and really make their needs known without fearing recourse that would
be, that's my question and that's
10:49:50 my sort of story from the field, if you will thank you for hearing me.
10:49:59 Thanks, Tanya, I think. lara's up next yeah they'll bring over Carol there's 2. Gerald the prairie, so i'll bring over the Hi good morning. my name is Laura barnum.
10:50:14 And I am a housing coordinator at Olycap as well as a case worker for the foundational community support program, and I just got off the phone with people at Jefferson.
10:50:23 Healthcare navigation, and we were speaking so highly of Tony Barnet.
10:50:29 And I had yes, you And when I had I had to get off the call quickly, because I said, this is a huge priority.
10:50:35 I know that this is This is something that impacts
10:50:40 The people who come to their system, and this absolutely impacts so many of the people that come to us.
10:50:48 Needing help with with their either their mortgage if it's with their rent.
10:50:55 And they are. and and these details percolate up that that they are living in housing, that they're embarrassed about where they have to spend a significant amount of resources
navigating their day like how am
10:51:08 I gonna get a shower. How do I use the bathroom?
10:51:12 All of these things, and it's it's an incredible community we live in.
10:51:15 But that is a pretty, glaring, gaping hole.
10:51:19 There. in terms of what the daily existence is like and how they can show up as human.
10:51:28 So I I cannot wait to to support this program I cannot wait to start to share information about this program, both with clients as well as with other organizations that are
just.
10:51:40 I'm so excited that this is happening and I think you for all the work that's going into it.
10:51:50 Can you state your address for the record, please? Oh, Yes, i'm sorry. Can any of us get this?
10:51:55 I live in Port towns and thank you carol We see you and I know you're on the housing solution that works sanitation hat.
10:52:04 So are you group Are you wearing that have today. Oh, that's fine.
10:52:08 Yeah, my name is Carol Mccreary. I live at 6, 5.
10:52:12 Oh, Hudson, Place in Port townsend and it is A is a pleasure of my life to be a volunteer with both flush and the housing solutions network, where we where many of the groups
are looking at sanitation.
10:52:28 So we've a separate hat, but flush over the years has become very concerned about the issue of sanitation.
10:52:36 Justice. very nicely described by previous speakers has been the humiliation of not having a basic sanitation system at your home.
10:52:50 That works the human side of our wonderful ecology that produces shellfish also, so needs to be looked at as we strive to keep our oceans clean.
10:53:03 So I just want to encourage you to support this grant which I have read in.
10:53:12 I want to commend Amanda for having taken the initiative, to write it and get the figures about very private information that, as I understand from stud studying for the public
records, that that permitting permitting information
10:53:32 is private and remains private, so not only is this humiliating for people affected. but we we we don't talk about it for many reasons.
10:53:44 Thank you very much for giving it serious attention. Thank you, Carol.
10:53:49 We appreciate your comments , he's he's over.
10:54:01 Now, George, you're just gonna need to unmute no you there you go!
10:54:03 You have 3Â min for comment, George. Nice to not yeah not really a comment.
10:54:10 I'm wondering you out iron dale headlock and along the shorelines has there ever been a study of how many septic systems are failing?
10:54:27 , Yeah. Georgia low in port towns. And right, do you want to state your address for the record
10:54:37 No problem,
10:54:42 Any other folks on zoom wishing to make a public comment you can do so by using the race hand. button at the bottom of your zoom screen and that one phone number that's always
there, Oh, that's staff.
10:54:58 So i'm always talking to staff. Okay, so I don't need to ask them to come over unless they have a comment on septic, which would be fine.
10:55:07 Anybody else. Wishing to make a public comment this morning.
10:55:19 At this hearing
10:55:20 I i'm not seeing any more hands go up so I will close this public hearing, and we have a chance to deliver and ask questions of amendment.
10:55:33 I think so. I have one. Why, 483,000! Why not more?
10:55:41 I mean, it seems like this is probably a an endless well of need in our community.
10:55:47 How did you? How did you land on that amount? The Max is 500,000, 1,000 rehabilitation?
10:55:52 Okay. and So i've looked at 20 houses 20,000 $20,000 each for 20 properties, and then the $83,000 is actually administrative.
10:56:04 Yeah. in a budget that is created and was submitted and then and any money that Isn't used administratively can be allocated over to great granting perfect answer, can You confirm
friends from the some of the
10:56:16 testimony that we got that all of Jefferson county is eligible for this on the west end, as well as on the east side of the county, that is great to hear.
10:56:25 And there's yeah a need all over you know and you know.
10:56:31 I want to really complement you, Amanda, for bringing that environmental justice perspective to the work. and really, being proactive about this, I mean, it was great work to
to move the the Shoreline Grant through.
10:56:42 And I I think you deserve a lot of credit for actually engaging with folks and getting interest in a program.
10:56:48 That kind of language for a little, bit. So I really appreciate your your efforts here, and I guess my one question is, you know, 314,004 6 is a very different cost per unit
than $20,000 for 400,000 can
10:57:06 you talk about the difference in services that are going to be offered, or
10:57:11 To be honest, We haven't Analyzed all of the budgetary expenses for the Np.
10:57:17 Grant So I think that that does need to be done.
10:57:21 But the that grant is closing in the next few months.
10:57:28 So all that analysis will be done. I think it's a little different because we stood up.
10:57:31 That program. So now that we have a functioning cost share program, the some of the administrative expenses will be repeated.
10:57:40 But and I I can remember here. Maybe it was at a clean water district Board meeting, or a story of some large projects, but I mean they bigger problems that were addressed with
that first round of funding and that would account for
10:57:58 some of those per project costs being higher than 20,000.
10:58:06 Yeah to be honest. We only granted everybody $20,000 at Max.
10:58:11 Okay, This grant Actually, you can max out. The Cdbg allows up to $35,000 per individual.
10:58:18 And some of these details. these qualification details are yet to be defined.
10:58:23 I think, as tanya barnett spoke to we do need to make sure that there's a way to assist people without entangling them in enforcement.
10:58:36 So, for folks who you know are living in a space that they know does not have a permit.
10:58:43 But they're not yet in enforcement proceedings we do need to make sure that there's a way to protect them.
10:58:49 Their personal privacy. and yet make this an opportunity for them that they can access.
10:58:57 So those details are yet to be worked out but I think that they're, you know, acknowledged as concerned. Another thing that Mr.
10:59:05 Bauer brought up was the concern of sort of how to qualify or better protect.
10:59:12 And one thing that Cdbg has recommended is deeds of trust.
10:59:15 So so folks to to sort of make sure that folks are actually like remaining on the property and investing in this place as a place of their long-term home that they assign a
deed of trust and in the case that they sell the
10:59:28 property within a certain number of years that could to be determined. 10 years, 5 years. Then, in the case of their profits from the sale, they reimburse the county for the
grant.
10:59:39 So that's a way that sort of you could secure that this is being used for housing, stabilization and permanency in their home instead of just sort of investment property or
something like that and then another thing
10:59:54 that was brought up was whether or not you can trace the status of septic systems, and and in fact, we do have some record of the status of septic systems here in Jefferson
County not complete but you know
11:00:11 for folks who have gotten permits. We know the age of their system since 1970 when the county started requiring permits.
11:00:19 So we know the age of your system, and then we have been required.
11:00:22 The State past a law requiring operations and monitoring inspections, and for folks who have gotten those operations and monitoring inspections, those sort of have professional
eyes on your septic system telling you what's going
11:00:36 on, and some of those statuses are in violation that folks have yet to repair them, or are struggling to repair them.
11:00:49 Some self monitor, cause my mom did that, and I I do it with her.
11:00:54 So I think that's a great service and and that brings that equity piece more into play, where people can take care of their own systems once they're making sure that they're
they're maintained and that that
11:01:07 funding issue that I mentioned about the the larger project must have been another source of funding that was being used, and it was 30.
11:01:18 The total cost of their septic system ended up being in the neighborhood of like almost $40,000, and they come.
11:01:26 They complemented the graph the grant with a craft 3 loan.
11:01:34 And I will say that craft 3 it's all right.
11:01:46 Any other questions, Kate, did you have any questions? questions and comment to maybe And then just struggling, which I do have, Covid.
11:01:57 So I totally get it. Amanda just that.
11:02:03 I also want to call out in in response to I think it was question about specifically, iron, male chimicom area that our pollution, identification and control program runs through
water quality does do quite a bit
11:02:17 of water quality testing that is able to identify septic systems that aren't failing, and we it is not linked to enforcement.
11:02:27 But it does. The The data over time does point to a number of of leaking subject systems in that watershed round the mouth of Jimicum Creek and
11:02:38 But those numbers are actually decreasing so it's headed in the right direction, which we think is largely due to the
11:02:46 The monitoring on M program that public health did put into place.
11:02:52 So just little fyi couple of things I I guess I I had the same questions actually that couple of folks mentioned. i'm hoping you can speak to please Amanda.
11:03:01 What is you said that eligibility is not that still being worked on. but just any any parameters you can give us kind of what you're thinking in terms of income levels that
kind of thing.
11:03:10 And then also the if you could describe a little bit more, though.
11:03:16 What does it mean that it could fund un un permitted systems or where systems don't currently exist?
11:03:22 I'd love to understand that a little better let's see thank you for acknowledging that our water quality department and their very important work.
11:03:32 I should have done that. but thank you. how you the So The The State Department of Commerce in these Cvg. Grants gives Max feasible deference to no hud gives Max feasible deference
to the
11:03:46 State in terms of utilizing the funds, and because the State Department of Commerce is required to follow the heel act and turn of reducing environmental harm to folks of low
income and the language.
11:04:10 They use there. I don't want to miss represent miss quote but it says environmental justice, addressing disproportionate, disproportionate environmental health impacts and all
laws, rules and policies with environmental impacts
11:04:26 prioritizing, vulnerable populations and overburdened communities.
11:04:30 So. that's really the the combination. of the max Feasible deference going to the State and our State having a mandate in the heel act to serve vulnerable populations is where
it makes that makes
11:04:54 sense that folks who aren't currently living with the benefit of safe was water treatment should be served, and I think that you'll see in the next I would say probably the
next year that craft 3 also funds
11:05:09 new septic systems for homeowners who don't currently have them.
11:05:13 Currently you can't get alone from craft 3 who is that recipient of a lot of department of ecology and clean water funds in our State to and and runs an amazing loan program
for folks who
11:05:27 need a loan for a septic system repair or replacement, but not currently an installation of a new system.
11:05:34 So I think that you'll see that flows sort of naturally in my mind.
11:05:41 And like Tanya said and and Laura said so so clearly, you know, for folks who don't have access to safe wastewater treatment or well-functioning wastewater.
11:05:56 Treatment it. You make a choice multiple times a day, with whether or not you can run a load of laundry with whether or not you can take shower, or you can flush your toilet,
and you very well may make a
11:06:06 mistake, and then you have a huge mess on your hands.
11:06:08 That is also a threat to your health and the health of your family members here in Washington State.
11:06:14 I think we have the benefit of relatively good soils and relatively cold winters, and so we don't have a lot of diseases associated with sanitation.
11:06:25 But there is a reason why sanitation is important in it and it's housed in public health, because there are diseases that come from the lack of sanitation.
11:06:34 So hope that answers your questions kate amanda can I follow up on one thing I you said it was going to be structured the same as the existing shoreline program. right?
11:06:44 So when you're talking about income requirements just kind of a sliding scale, can you address that sliding scale?
11:06:52 Yeah. So my my current proposal and this is, I think, that I would like to convene a group who are interested to help sort of formulate some of these policies and qualifications.
11:07:02 But our current load water income scale would be that folks who are who haven't annual income of 80% or no 200% of the Federal poverty level, which I can bring up a number so
that that may 4 cents but it's
11:07:23 about $25,000 a year for an individual and so that person would qualify for 100% the full $200,000.
11:07:34 And that's like so 60% of am I is why, I think that , correlates pretty closely.
11:07:39 Yeah, and then for folks who make you know for but if you had a 2 person household
11:07:52 So then for folks who made more if you're if you were in a tier.
11:08:02 You could be in a tier where we would grant you up to 90% of the $20,000, Max, or 90% of the cost of the project.
11:08:12 And at Max. does that make sense? So the more you made, the less we would share in your cost burden.
11:08:21 But you could still, you know, receive sometimes. Does that make sense?
11:08:29 Does. Thank you, and I just have a follow up comment
11:08:32 Which is that I am a a really supportive of this program, and i'm quite involved with the puted sounds partnership State agency, you know, actually originally funded the
11:08:48 The first program customer septic program we did and i'm just having to constantly remind folks in the environmental community that you know they're always saying counties don't
do enough they should be regulating more
11:09:01 regulating more regulating more and i'm constantly having to say that transates to higher costs, and that impacts low income disadvantage people the most and we have to mitigate
for that we can't
11:09:15 constantly be putting more and more demands on on folks, especially when it comes to Howing.
11:09:22 So I really appreciate that this is solution oriented and brings benefit both to to humans and the the environment.
11:09:32 That we all share so big supporter. Yeah, I think that it's interesting to balance environmentalists for so so long sort of just looked at the environment. and more and more.
11:09:45 I think we have to sort of take humans into consideration because our humans are suffering.
11:09:49 And I feel really motivated to to
11:10:00 Yeah. hoping this way, can I ask about operations and maintenance?
11:10:07 Because septic systems do cost something, and you know I can inspect my own because I have just a a pumped conventional system.
11:10:12 But a lot of these, especially the shoreline ones that went in, or probably blended pods or something that you can't do self inspections on. and i'm wondering if this fund can
also help help you know
11:10:24 disadvantaged homeowners maintain pro and Keep their septic systems in the working order with the you know. buy annual, or whatever the inspection. rate is, it's possible that's
awesome.
11:10:37 I know that right now we have a lot of rebate money for homeowners who need to do operations, monitoring inspections.
11:10:45 So I hope that people are taking advantage of it. In fact, I know people are not taking good enough advantage of it.
11:10:51 We have like $9,000 right now to give to homeowners who are need to do an operations and monitoring inspection for the first time.
11:10:58 And how do they qualify? How do they tie into that?
11:11:04 It's available on the Jefferson county environmental health website under homeowner resources in the septic section, and if there's a place where I could post it, someplace
that would be easiest for you or the
11:11:17 public fine. I can help you. Great Yeah. could help amplify that great any more questions for Amanda.
11:11:30 I really hope we find other ways to use these funds in the future.
11:11:34 Yeah exciting. So I think there's a resolution with this agenda.
11:11:41 Item In the matter of certification of compliance for Cbt.
11:11:46 General purpose, Grant, for as we've just been talking about $483,570 to find a housing, rehabilitation activity specific to septic system repairs.
11:11:58 Do I have i'll move to approve the resolution in the matter of certification of compliance for Cdb. General purpose.
11:12:06 Grant second, all in favor hi and opposed, passes unanimously with appreciation.
11:12:17 Don't Wanna slow this train down, Thank You Amanda. Thank you.
11:12:25 Thank you for suffering through that's fine yeah I can contemplate to do it from home.
11:12:37 So I can talk the mute. Yeah.
11:12:42 Thank you so much, you, too. Thank you for all of your hard work.
11:12:51 Okay, well do we wanna do some calendaring looking back.
11:13:01 Kate. We know what Kate was doing last week was able to add me, obviously missed the I was supposed to be in Dc.
11:13:12 Monday through Thursday, but really Monday through Wednesday I missed all of that.
11:13:18 But I was able to participate in in the Legislative Steering Committee Association of County's Legislative Steering Committee.
11:13:28 Retreat, and I was supposed to be sharing it, which was totally impossible, because I had no voice and was virtual, and almost everybody else was in the room.
11:13:37 So I ended up just being more of a passive participant which was really unfortunate.
11:13:46 Actually because the The The direction that a lot of our fellow counties want to go is pretty diametrically opposed to the direction. I feel like we are headed as a county,
and I think it's
11:13:59 going to be challenging. Partly, I think that is fueled.
11:14:04 A feeling that the Legislature might switch to a Republican majority, and 1 one cited at the House of the Senate.
11:14:14 And so the Republicans are feeling motivated to put forward an agenda that they might be able to advance and haven't been able to for the last number of years.
11:14:23 But pretty i'm just pretty surprising to hear my our colleagues talk about you know just vehemently opposing any climate change legislation vehemently opposing anything to do
with electrification
11:14:38 electric vehicles. it is I I was surprised, and maybe in part because I couldn't say anything I was even more like agitated
11:14:53 But it's just just so you know so you have some situation awareness that the there's a a strong desire for backlash and and so i'm i'm little concerned about what that's gonna
11:15:06 look like, and you know, in terms of how how we get our voices.
11:15:09 Heard also at the the county level. I i'd say the staff and lobbyists who report to the members of Wasack and the legislative steering committee are are pretty balanced in their
approach and they're also very
11:15:26 realistic about what is feasible and what can be done.
11:15:30 But the it just it was my first you know We've heard a lot about put potentially a lot of change coming with the midterm elections and both, the State and Federal Level, and
it was my first Well, I guess other
11:15:44 than the Supreme Court documents being linked about Roby Wade.
11:15:47 My first sense of oh, right? Okay, this is. This is what that would look like.
11:15:52 And so just beware and you know when we're talking about things like wanting to do forestry and stay on lands differently Here, you know this that's the kind of place we're
gonna see that play
11:16:04 out and I think we can just anticipate some some reaction from some of our our fellow counties.
11:16:12 That, said we're also getting support from some of our fellow counties, who are also interested in heading the direction that that we are.
11:16:19 But it's I think things things are just incredibly divisive right now, and pull polarized. and
11:16:27 I felt that stronger than ever in that group which is saying something. it's always been a polarized group.
11:16:32 Still appreciate the process of trying to come to agreement.
11:16:36 But and for the most part the things that we adopted for consideration for the legislative agenda next year were not the real hot button issues on one side or the other.
11:16:47 But I think we need to be kind of be prepared and be sharpening our our policy pencils.
11:16:53 For how we how we approach potential lobbying in the future.
11:17:00 So that was 2 days of me, largely being horizontal and listening in, and luckily they had a virtual of voting.
11:17:08 Be a survey monkey that I could still vote in even though I couldn't say anything.
11:17:15 Well, thanks for participating in bringing it back more to come.
11:17:18 So i've just fy The There will be work groups assigned to 5 major categories that wasack the buckets that they consider policy in
11:17:31 Those work groups will refine about 32 recommendations that we did advance in this meeting and narrow that down to probably 10 or so key initiatives.
11:17:42 That Los Angeles will take on in the next legislative session.
11:17:46 Starting in January I'll be in give us summary of those at some point.
11:17:58 Whenever Greg do you wanna share your I would be happy to. So let's see.
11:18:04 Starting last month after the meeting here. I was joined by Sheriff Noel and Aaronberg and Eric Caves from the portable towns, and at the Gardener community Center at 6 Pm.
11:18:16 For a community meeting that I helped convey, based on a lot of different conversations about a couple different impacts, you know, mostly centered around the the boat launched
down at Gardener, and just as a little bit of some of the the deep
11:18:34 ambiguity down there. The boat launch is really the only thing that is port owned.
11:18:39 Fish and wildlife owners kind of the parking lot.
11:18:41 And then the port has an easement through some privately owned tidelines.
11:18:47 So i'm at the tie lens it's round about ramp, or are public, though they're often used by the public.
11:18:51 So there were 3 large issues that were talked about one was the no shooting zone that we're going to talk about in the workshop tomorrow, and the sheriff largely, and and i'll
i'll talk sorry got ahead, of myself.
11:19:04 And then also there's a perception of increased crime, usually crimes of opportunity or burglaries attended houses, you know.
11:19:11 Kind of second houses that are are are purgled, and also large impacts around the the
11:19:17 The boat lines during the Fourth of July and the hunting season.
11:19:23 Frustrations about some commercial commercial vehicles which were commercial votes which were being launched from the gardener.
11:19:29 Both ramp and and all of the ports. Ramps are for pleasure craft, and the evements with the private parties for gardener specifically talks about pleasure craft.
11:19:40 I think it. it seems like the consensus was that most of the commercial vehicles that were there were tribal, which is kind of a a carve out that you know they pretty much have
usual and custom.
11:19:55 Right? So that is not something. The port would get into lots of questions for the port.
11:20:01 Lots of questions for the the sheriff. Most of the questions that I feel in were really about roads.
11:20:09 I kind of should have had some public public work support behind me. But there's you know, just frustration that some of the roads get unsafe, you know, a lot of the the standard
calming techniques were mentioned speed
11:20:22 tables and and speed bumps and and and some other issues, and and I offered to come back and talk more about road issues and bring engineering staff to have those conversations.
11:20:34 Talked a lot about the I feel the the best I could.
11:20:38 Talked a lot about how engineering seems to be about 50% psychology when it comes to road building and maintenance as well.
11:20:45 I will say it was a gigantic meeting, very well attended.
11:20:51 Probably 75 people at the Gardener community Center primarily amassed.
11:20:56 Probably 10%. I came in with my mask and took it off my introduction where my mask broke.
11:21:01 So I was also a master that meeting so hopefully wasn't a big spreading event.
11:21:05 But windows were open, and things but it's you know it.
11:21:10 It was an awful big meeting. but great interaction with the gardener community, and feel like, I understand some of the situations better.
11:21:20 Heard a little bit of sort of the the other side of some of the the shooting the shooting concerns, and I think we got some comment about that, and we'll probably get a little
bit more and our workshop
11:21:31 tomorrow, but all on all really positive meeting, you know. listen to concerns and and ideas.
11:21:38 And yeah, it was, I would say, productive, and maybe probably not.
11:21:43 The last last conversation down there on tuesday let's see we've got our public health hero awards that are coming at the next Board of Health meeting this week, so we were
going through process with that with our public health
11:22:00 director, and Kate was there from the Board of Health as well as the clerk support of health, and then we have tourism Coordinating council on Tuesday.
11:22:10 Not a lot to report there more to take back and and really talk about those metrics as we expand that program because it is a really kind of historic expansion that we're we're
looking at for the advertising
11:22:21 budget this year that things are moving along it's that it's hopping already.
11:22:27 Tourism. let's see met with the Edc. invited me to be part of the
11:22:40 The area sector performance conversation. It was the first one of those meetings that I was able to attend learned a lot how a slide that I can bring up later.
11:22:45 If we have extra time to kind of go over some of the the interesting economic trends that we talked about.
11:22:51 A pretty big group giving feedback to the consultants that are pretty in the report there. And I think, added a lot of local context to that work at the meeting.
11:23:03 Then I swung over concurrently. I have the quilting of brand in power teams coalition, and and swung over for that.
11:23:10 And work proceeds there. work was on Wednesday.
11:23:18 The finance meeting biggest change to the Orca Budget in quite a few years, adding a records kind of a records officer.
11:23:25 So one staff member and updating the a lot of it, equipment and everything to build resilience in that organization.
11:23:38 So some some big changes, and and resoundingly without, in support from all 6 counties for the
11:23:46 The the developments that the new director, Jeff Johnston, is is spearheading.
11:23:52 Yeah, strategic planning is underway right now as well, and he will be at a Board of Health meeting in June to to give a a presentation about workers work to the the whole Board
of Health.
11:24:03 I was at the Wassack Timber Counties meeting.
11:24:05 I did ask, and they they had a virtual option which made it possible for me to.
11:24:11 You know. hit all these meetings on a very busy 10Â h zoom day.
11:24:17 But interesting conversations. They, the dnr presented on their carbon offset program.
11:24:24 The first. i'd really gotten some details about that so not a lot of numbers there.
11:24:28 But some some interesting conversations, and and I I signed up for the timber 101 that the timber counties caucus is putting on in on June ninth, and tenth.
11:24:39 So look forward to being in the field, and kind of digging into these systems a little deeper.
11:24:46 But on all a fine 4Â h zoom meeting and he was there as well.
11:24:55 I think we noticed that she might have more to report on that wouldn't have the old account board meeting the evening of the eleventh, and things are moving along.
11:25:05 There. Seventh Haven, you know, is being hit by the
11:25:10 Inflationary prices, like everything, is but still on Budget Clark construction.
11:25:14 The general general contractors doing great. We have lots of eyes on the project.
11:25:18 Everyone from, you know, staff to Richard Berg. we did some of the local architecture to other people. So moving along probably gonna lose a lot of the the developer fee.
11:25:31 That's kind of unfortunately, the you know the buffer that gets sacrificed for these for these scope creep issues.
11:25:37 Let's see, Walked around on thursday. as you know are one of the comp plan amendments that we're the planning Commission is considering right now is the mile sand and gravel
mining overlay
11:25:54 they want to move to cause they've almost done with the existing overlays area of resources.
11:26:01 They want to move over. so went down and got a tour of the area, learned a lot about kind of modern mo mining techniques, including the you know they do 40.
11:26:12 I forget what it's called 40 segmented mining and reclamation.
11:26:17 So they'll do 40 acres of mining and then build it back natural with the with the dirt they've saved. and and are they usually their landlord right near will require them to
replant it as Well, so it's you know
11:26:32 they're moving through areas and and putting them back you really couldn't tell if this area had been mind or not, and some of the reclamation areas, and you see some of the
old practices which are are very apparent where
11:26:44 the were they stopped the mining, but didn't reclaim them. So learned a lot about the process, as I told them.
11:26:51 You know we delegate that quasi jurisdictional authority to a hearing examiner, and a hearing will come up soon.
11:26:57 But it was great to learn a little bit more about the process.
11:27:00 And then the Company Miles Standard gravel we have the clean water district meeting that that afternoon, and as as Commissioner Dean was talking about earlier the the pollution
identification and control group is got grants to work all
11:27:20 over the the shorelines of jefferson county and it's good meeting.
11:27:27 Just the the strategic plan is was presented as a draft, and I think that'll get formalized in the next by the next meeting.
11:27:34 And then, as I said earlier, I was out at hj Carroll for the groundbreaking for the new job playground. and it was, you know, the dignitary part of this job is really satisfying
when you've got everyone is
11:27:49 just happy to be there, and happy to move forward on a project with with tremendous community benefit and increasing accessibility.
11:27:59 It was just lovely on Friday I went to the opera, which is a small kind of ad hoc group.
11:28:09 That's cloud and jefferson county the olympic peninsula. entrepreneurial Resource Association.
11:28:15 I think it's called and kind of doing some strategic planning on what is the role?
11:28:22 Is there a way that it can, you know, not try to duplicate what Innoc or the Center for inclusive entrepreneurship is doing, but trying to find a niche where it can help
11:28:32 amplify projects, and, and, you know, improve the the network and the landscape for for small entrepreneurs.
11:28:41 And in Jefferson County and the Olympic Peninsula north on differential as a whole.
11:28:46 After that I went back to the penny wise site and trapped around the woods again with with our dnr Forster Brian Turner, as well as drew Rosenbaum from
11:28:57 Dnr. and really educational. Same worlds different perspective. I think we'll talk a lot more about that this afternoon and our 2 workshops there, and that was Friday, the thirteenth
for me Then on saturday as as
11:29:15 we mentioned, I saw Heidi down at the the ribbon cutting of the clean bay.
11:29:22 The the wooden boats. when both schools new 0 emission, pump out both that will operate for free for folks in the port level.
11:29:30 Obey by the Portlando Marina I guess is who's going to operate it, and it's a charming little book, and, you know it costs more than pop out votes.
11:29:39 Could. But you know it's rides line on the environment so really great to to see that project come to fruition, you know, with with local ingenuity and and engineering, and
and construction.
11:29:54 So really, really glad to be there. I took stuck around for the opening of the of the season that the Portland level Marina.
11:30:04 They didn't have a trade because when but you know anytime There's a bad pipe i'm i'm happy to to stay and stay for the ceremony so that was great to see the first time i'd
been
11:30:14 there and then a a matriarch, and the quilting society passed away.
11:30:18 Recently Lauren Ward, who was who had been on the school board and worked at the school for years, and was at every school board meeting that I was at as a school board commissioner,
and she will be missed she was a great
11:30:34 contributor to to the quill seen area and advocate for children always.
11:30:38 So. it was great to go out and and honor her memory, and hear some of the stories, and and learned a lot about her life away from the school.
11:30:46 She was a well, a well rounded woman in the community.
11:30:51 So that was my last week action back so it's funny this acronym, c.
11:31:02 In so I as as a member of the jefferson Community Foundation Board, I'm.
11:31:09 On a subcommittee working on a creative entrepreneur network it's not no center, for in yours was the center for inclusive entrepreneurship.
11:31:24 Yeah. So We did some work on that last last Tuesday. Monday.
11:31:29 Of course I was here with you, Greg missing Kate.
11:31:33 So yeah, we we had a meeting. with an applicant for running that project a project for the community foundation on the entrepreneurship network, and that it seems like it's
gonna be a great project it's just
11:31:50 Jefferson County, mostly East Jefferson counting focus, but also there's some interest in finding some entrepreneurs in West Jefferson County.
11:31:58 So if you know of any i'd love to chat about that, we find it a couple with our last business, Grant right
11:32:09 And then doing some of my homework for our workshop.
11:32:12 This afternoon I met with Monty, on implications for these State Forest Revenue, for primarily we talked about roads, but talked about just county county dependency on timber
revenues, and and then on
11:32:33 Wednesday. I also attended the timber county's caucus meeting with with Greg virtually and feel like I I think I've said this a 1 million times in the last couple of months,
but I've
11:32:47 i've double. I dove into the deep end on these issues. So i'm trying to hear as much as I can wherever I can in that vein. I also participated in the trustland transfer proviso
work group in
11:33:03 the morning on Wednesday with all of my colleagues who are have been participating in that for the last year, and we were specifically talking about some of the prioritization
criteria that will be used to consider proposed projects that
11:33:19 to receive funding via the Legislature.
11:33:23 Through the trust line transfer program in the in the future.
11:33:27 I Wednesday evening I attended a growers gathering at Finn River, and it was it was fun because I felt I felt like I've been in this conversation before, but it's a whole different
group of young
11:33:41 farmers this time, and you know. I was thinking back to Kate when we were in doing the landworks collaborative and getting that started, and some of the some of the initial
conversations we had and I just I had serious
11:33:55 flashback. but around the room there was not a duplicated face, except for maybe Christie Kissler, who was kind of holding holding the space for that circle.
11:34:06 So I look forward to seeing what those guys do collaboratively in the future, and they've got some great ideas.
11:34:15 And they were talking about all kinds of apps and platforms, and that i'd never heard of you know, cause it's I feel like I'm.
11:34:25 I need to go to school on what's what's current with the young people.
11:34:30 And then on Thursday I had lunch with Director Butler on a list of issues, but mostly to debrief him on the conversation.
11:34:41 That we had a week before on the short term rental ordinance.
11:34:45 That's Alan County passed and housing solutions network has been very interested in us continuing to explore that as an option for Jefferson County.
11:34:58 And i'm glad, we're coming at this after Shalan has done their work because they've now done a refinement of their ordinance, and what they've done to improve it makes makes
a lot of sense
11:35:08 so but I did Confirm with brent that There's probably no time to work on this on the on the foreseeable future just based on what DCD has on its plate.
11:35:21 Right now. so stay tuned for the future on that one.
11:35:24 Another trustland transfer work group meeting Thursday afternoon agenda prep.
11:35:33 With mark for today's meeting and then a lot of preparation for the workshop.
11:35:42 This afternoon with some of the folks who've been helping put together some numbers around the carbon implication.
11:35:50 And what the older forests look like in East Jefferson County, and where they are, and anyway, a lot of good collaborative work going on to bring the information together to
bring you this afternoon.
11:36:06 Friday I met with Director Meredith at the library to talk about the implications of timber tax revenue for the Library district.
11:36:13 And then, middle of the day I met with a Thurston County Commissioner, who is been doing his who's on a parallel path with us on this whole issue.
11:36:25 So an apparently a number of account. Other counties are exploring the implications of changing the way they deal with their State forest transfer lands and
11:36:37 That revenue that comes from that those lands
11:36:42 Friday afternoon I worked on the slide deck for this afternoon.
11:36:46 Some more, and then I ended the week with a very lively meeting of the Beha Special Behavioral Health Advisory Committee meeting coming out of our meeting the week before.
11:36:58 I believe. We called the number meeting to talk about the whole coordination of therapeutic courts.
11:37:09 There's 3 therapy to court programs and in the past.
11:37:13 That coordination has happened by a contract with Ford Kessler, and he retired, and the courts have been kind of scrapping it together, but have asked for some capacity to actually
do, meaningful coordination of those
11:37:30 therapy to court programs, and they presented that at the previous meeting, and there was a lot of discussion on the Behavior Health Advisory Committee.
11:37:40 Mark did a ton of work in the intervening week to put together some numbers and to look at just basically do analysis.
11:37:47 On the fund, and the there was a reserve, a cast reserve in that fund of over $600,000 and some different funding proposals and scenarios to fund this function.
11:38:01 This therapeutic court coordination and differing opinions on the committee.
11:38:08 And we got We got to a solution. We We decided to fund the 2022, the remainder of 2,022 out of the the cash reserve of that fund, and it was just about $30,000 that they
11:38:24 needed, in addition to what is already allocated for that function.
11:38:29 And then had discussion about whether that was 1 one topic on that agenda. And it was funny people kept getting the topics, Miss Step, and I was like, No, Let's just deal with
this one.
11:38:40 Topic. Okay, now, we're gonna move on to the next now, we're gonna talk about 2023 in the years thereafter, and that they're out is where we got really high centered because
nobody wanted to make a
11:38:50 decision. Well, I wouldn't say nobody but there was voices on the committee that did not want to make a decision about forever with the fund, and so I propose an amendment to
that language and said let's just
11:39:04 commit to funding for this function through 23 so that we're not just hiring somebody for a few months of work, and then they don't know if they have a job in the next year,
and so I mean that felt like
11:39:16 the critical issue that really would have made searching for someone to fill this position ineffective.
11:39:25 There were lots of other good arguments for funding this role, and some concerns that I definitely heard.
11:39:34 But we decided to fund it for the remainder of 22 and 23 and loop back in and upcoming behavioral advisory committees to talk about the long the long haul for this the issue
is that
11:39:48 Ford Kessler was always under contract, and his his amount was less than what a full time position would be.
11:39:57 And so we're the there is a I I was it as a majority of the committee that feels like we need to commit to this function in the county for the long term.
11:40:10 But we're just not completely there as a behavioral Advisory Committee. Yeah. So you don't have a recommendation for 23. Yet we do 23.
11:40:26 We we reck we recommended finding it out of the reserve as well some out of the revenues that will come in, and then some out of reserve.
11:40:29 And will that position be housed in the prosecuting attorney's office?
11:40:32 No, that I think they need to resolve the location of and it's actually a coordinator and an assistant, not not just one fte, but 2
11:40:50 And their discussions underway about where those people are going to reside.
11:40:55 Most likely I think it'll barbara said she would take it on if she had to.
11:40:57 But maybe it'll be in district. court. Okay, thanks and Then I as Greg mentioned, with the both schools.
11:41:08 Dedication of their the pop-out boat designed by Tim Nolan, and I felt like it was a little bit of a celebration of living treasures in our community.
11:41:17 With Tim Nolan there, and Brandon Davis, who are both amazing shipwrights in their own rights, and Betsy Davis, who is, in my, in my opinion, a luminary in our community, the
executive director of the boat, school who pulled
11:41:31 this all together. it's a beautiful little boat and I was honored to be part of the ribbon cutting for that and then I rushed back to town.
11:41:46 And participated in the pro row abortion rights march, and it was awesome to see the number of folks in our community who showed up in support of women in their right to choose
all it is people It's just a right to
11:41:58 choose to make a choice. you can choose yes, or you can choose.
11:42:03 No, just just feels like such a basic right that i've had my entire life, cause i'm 51 and was born right around the right around the time.
11:42:11 The whole road versus wade conversation happened initially and so here we are again, and a lot of the women in the parade were carrying signs, saying, we're not doing this again.
11:42:21 Are we i'm marching again. you know so super grateful for folks in our community who support women women's rights to choose.
11:42:31 And that's this is where I stand on it so end of the day week on an uplifting note.
11:42:42 Do you think we can do some looking forward? We got got about 1520Â min left.
11:42:49 Who wants? Who wants to mark? Do you want us to talk about what you did last week before we do that?
11:42:56 I know a lot of it was with me I feel like you're muted
11:43:01 Right a lot of administrative work. Last week on Tuesday I met with
11:43:08 Barbara Car and the Hi Frank Leson and James Kennedy to talk about the behavioral health.
11:43:15 The advisory committee meeting that was gonna take place on Friday.
11:43:19 Later in the day. here in berg John morrow and I hooked up for truncated 18 meeting, cause Kevin Street was wasn't available. and then I I checked in with the Washington County
11:43:34 Administrators Association. Eric, johnson wasn't there, and it was axis, Watson, and I like brought up the revenue sharing question, and nobody nobody had any news on that.
11:43:49 I think. Hi, do you have this the latest news from?
11:43:52 I think it was a Nico call that you were on, and the news that you shared, I think, was encouraging Hope Hopefully, we'll hear from Treasury before long.
11:44:05 About that. Yeah, Wednesday. Yeah. with Brent Butler Butler to talk about
11:44:16 Josh Peters and I I shared the news with you that he's accepted our offer of employment, and I think he's coming to work on sometime in June.
11:44:26 So that's great news and then I participated in the North Olympic Peninsula city and county manager, Powell, that we have once a month.
11:44:41 And then another meeting about behavioral health that one was with Veronica, Dana, Mckenry, and Apple Martine to talk about fun, balance, and budget, and all of that again,
and prep.
11:44:51 For the Friday Behavioral health meeting. and Thursday I listened in on the Port City pudd coordination meeting for their Sims Gateway project.
11:45:04 You're still struggling with the public outreach aspect of that but it's I think they're they're moving in in a good direction.
11:45:12 Now, and hopefully, maybe we're going to be halfway through the year here.
11:45:18 And you know we thought the poplars were going to come down in January, February, and there's you know.
11:45:24 They They've got full of John them now and so I I don't know when we're actually going to see that project advance.
11:45:30 Then agenda prep. with heidi my weekly meeting with with Brent Butler.
11:45:36 And then, of course, to jump groundbreaking ceremony, which was very hardwarming.
11:45:41 Watching the young kids with those golden shovels.
11:45:45 Now there was one young fellow that was he was, like, you know, 12 ounces of dirt over his shoulder repeatedly really enjoying playing playing with that shovel.
11:45:57 And then the highlight of the week was that meeting that Heidi went into great depth on
11:46:01 The the second part of that meeting had to do with the supplemental, or if he had $131,000 in additional funding available.
11:46:13 And then there was a question about whether do you, divide that by the number of vendors, and give everybody an equal share?
11:46:21 Or do you award the additional money in proportion to the original awards?
11:46:25 And that's what I recommended to the to the committee and they they voted to accept that recommendation.
11:46:32 So that meeting actually turned out pretty well. I I might add that to make this work.
11:46:40 We're gonna have to ask the board to devote some general fund resources to funding the but the court coordinator function to the tune of about a 100 of about 40,000 a year.
11:46:56 And so when we put together the budget for 2,023, you'll you'll see an ad request for that.
11:47:06 That that covers my week, thanks Got something. did good question the the June meeting, June ninth meeting.
11:47:16 I was going to go to regarding Wash Dots effort or need to close the bridge potentially up to 44 weekends through this summer has been pushed until next year with them, with
a communications with the local road departments and
11:47:32 emergency services scheduled for March. 20 third right now, so there will be no work this summer or fall to that effect of closing the bridges like I've been shared with us
at a very late date
11:47:43 so Monte and I both reached out to them to say, maybe March is is a little late to be doing this planning work, because, you know, people are playing for festivals much earlier
than that.
11:47:54 So that that is not not on the imminent horizon which was great to hear.
11:48:00 Yeah. So we got Got about 10Â min. anyone want to look forward I mean I'm i'm happy to start i'll be.
11:48:13 I'll go quick i'm just gonna pick a few things that neither of you will be mentioning, because some of the things are boards that we all said.
11:48:20 On. but i'm looking forward to the wassack meeting today, because it's on the historic courthouse Grants.
11:48:26 Chris, I think Chris Moore will be there.
11:48:29 And looking forward to hearing what they have to say I'm.
11:48:35 Attending a planning meeting regarding the W. Wsu.
11:48:38 Extension director hiring, which is a exciting progress Forward tomorrow.
11:48:45 That shemak of empowered teens coalition is this week, and I don't know if everyone saw this story in the the leader written by, or reporting on a report made by Eugenia, Frank
the student member on
11:48:58 the team of the school board some troubling reports from the student body and chimicum, and I think it's gonna be a a topic of conversation at our empower teams coalition meeting.
11:49:14 This week. can't imagine it not being i'm gonna attend the housing solutions network celebration of transition of leadership.
11:49:24 I've enjoyed working with Justine and and I look forward to working with Liz in the future have a Jay Jefferson Community Foundation Board meeting and just reporting that my
schedule I'm going to
11:49:39 be here less, and the next couple of weeks i've got a show opening a solo show opening in this Gadget Valley in a couple of weeks, and i'll be in support of that over the next
6 weeks.
11:49:54 But i'll be here after commissioner meetings and all my other meetings, just less less always here than I am usually usually, and that's my particulars.
11:50:07 All right. I can go I will say we've got a couple of big meetings.
11:50:11 This the evenings this week that we're all gonna be at together.
11:50:14 So just call out, I know shoot area workshop tomorrow at 5 o'clock virtually. Well, we'll talk about all 3 of the petitions that we have, and then we have the Icg meeting on
the nineteenth I don't know maybe
11:50:28 Kate wants to go into more details on what we're going to be talking about, but kind of infrastructure goals for all of our agencies and board of health on Thursday we'll all
be at and I did
11:50:39 the agenda, and I can't remember what's on it. I don't think we are dealing with portable water quite yet.
11:50:46 I think they still are are refining that i'm also giving a presentation on Friday with about air quality and indoor ventilation with the the group that's been doing the study
out at finn river and is looking for
11:51:00 more opportunities. so I encourage it's free to register at 10 Am.
11:51:04 On Friday i'm going to that my work backwards How's American meeting again this this Friday, and then Friday evening.
11:51:12 There's show us your community kind of open house at the quilting school that i'll be going to got a couple of meetings regarding the causal brown village and the seventh haven
development coming this week.
11:51:26 As well as that. we don't have a transit meeting.
11:51:34 We haven't qu seen the regular meeting of the quel seen brand and power team.
11:51:37 Oh, no, i'm sorry the closest food bank has a has a meeting this week.
11:51:41 I've been going as I can to just understand that that project that are building a new food bank down in quilting and breaking ground.
11:51:48 I think imminently. they've got all all the contractors lined up.
11:51:53 I'll be going to the harm reduction meeting in South County with with virtually at tuesday as well.
11:52:01 This afternoon I will be We're finalizing the public art applicants for the Seventh Haven Building.
11:52:10 We have a bit of a budget and 2 spaces where we're going to put some public art. we did a request for qualifications and got 45 applicants 36 qualified applicants, which means
they basically
11:52:22 reside in Washington State and we've been working with Kathleen, the the new director of North Winds, to go through a a jury process with a a committee of 3 folks, and we'll
have our kind of
11:52:38 refining meeting at 4 30 this afternoon to choose artists and then we'll work on the I think we're with it down to a couple that will build more complete proposals for us to
finalize what part is going
11:52:52 kind of by the child care. and down in the in the parking lots, or are the 2 locations?
11:52:58 So that's really fun work and that's my week neither of you mentioned Rody.
11:53:05 Oh, gosh, yeah, I Didn't have it on this calendar. But i'll be at Rody of course, and the showauqua the big show on Saturday night, too. and the top of Congress on Sunday,
11:53:15 yeah So I am hoping to feel well enough to jump fully in this week.
11:53:26 I'm not sure yet of my endurance today.
11:53:28 Will be a good test of that. I have a planning meeting for the Leadership Council of the Puget Sound partnership. in preparation for a 2 day meeting.
11:53:40 We have been Everett in a couple of weeks.
11:53:43 Let's see a briefing for the Hood Canal coordinating council upcoming meeting and then we have our no shooting area workshop tomorrow evening, as Greg mentioned Wednesday The
policy.
11:53:59 Management group will meet. We have not met for a while, so the emergency Operations policy group
11:54:05 So so we're gonna jump back in and start thinking about the after action.
11:54:13 Analysis, and see if if in light of the higher case rates if we need to be considering any any mitigations.
11:54:21 I I don't think any are planned but i'm really curious to hear. if there have been many cases in in county offices and buildings. I've not heard that there have been many i'm
hoping I
11:54:33 didn't get infect any of you unwittingly a week before last, but I haven't heard of any, so that's good.
11:54:43 See couple of kind of administrative things in North Olympic Development Council meeting on Wednesday morning, followed by Board of Health.
11:54:52 Then the Inter governmental collaborative group meeting on Thursday evening Transit and Jefferson healthcare will be there.
11:55:00 The school districts are thinking about preparing kind of a a statement, or either collectively or separately, might pull together just a memo, perhaps, to let us know kind
of what their capital planning entails and the
11:55:14 foreseeable. I also mentioned that to
11:55:18 Chief black, so I don't I don't know if anyone has reached out to him other than me.
11:55:26 You have not. No, and we should discuss whether that would be useful.
11:55:34 I know they have capital planning going on in capital needs.
11:55:41 Yeah, they have. They have an impressive funding stream in the form of property taxes.
11:55:47 It's interesting when you know when you look at your property tech statements.
11:55:50 It's like you know schools huge and Then the next biggest by far is yeahms services.
11:55:55 So yeah, I mean we should discuss if if that would be of interest that I I got a sense that folks were wanting to rain in a little bit, that How How much participation?
11:56:09 So but certainly open to the discussion let's see Friday.
11:56:22 Per Perhaps I can make the olympic coast next to National Marine sanctuary meeting.
11:56:27 It's sometimes a tough one to make but we also have a Jefferson County coordination covid coordination meeting that conflicts with that.
11:56:38 And oh, and then Brent and I have a meeting with potential intern
11:56:44 And one of the projects we've talked about working with that intern on is the short term housing.
11:56:49 So you might be able to advance a little bit of research and analysis.
11:56:55 On different county policies drawing from other counties how they have done short term rental ordinances.
11:57:01 So we'll report back on that the sense of an email last week inviting typically, we the sheriff allows other county elected officials to join at the front of the Rody parade.
11:57:17 So only got one response, but hopefully we'll have a showing there.
11:57:22 They're already prayed and find our banner in advance this time.
11:57:30 And yeah, weekend of s activities and do what a call out just for the public's benefit.
11:57:40 If anyone's listening that monday the thirtieth is a fifth Monday this month, and we typically don't meet.
11:57:47 But I don't know if we have any business that we anticipate needing to cover that that week. But it's something we should give some thought to it's also a mortal.
11:58:02 Thing. Yeah. Oh, right, Okay, : Yeah, we could. We could beat on the thirty-first Right?
11:58:08 If we have a need. Okay, I also noticed and i'm, I made the mistake of not catching this sooner, but we don't have the juneeenth holiday on our calendars yet and I
11:58:26 am not going to be here on tuesday. the 20 first so I I didn't have mark That was going to be a meeting date instead, and made travel plans months ago.
11:58:37 So I have a conflict on Tuesday, the 20 first fyi June 20 first, so we gotta get.
11:58:46 Be sure and get that that plugged into our calendars.
11:58:49 The new, the new holiday. Typically, we, you know, meet the the day after when there is a a holiday.
11:58:57 So yeah, I put it on mine. So how do we get that when you say plugged into our calendars?
11:59:01 Is there. There's a our our staff has a kind of a general calendar plugin our mondays when the courthouse is closed, and that kind of thing so , yeah, my bad that I didn't catch
that
11:59:17 sooner, but I should just you know, add it to the annual list of holidays and such.
11:59:25 Think that's all I do want to call out that Daryl Thomas, who worked for juvenile services.
11:59:33 He got hired as a director of community. wellness at the Court Town School district there, so happy for him and look forward to working with him there.
11:59:46 I think that's I don't know well it's 1159 look at that.
11:59:55 So. I will. I guess unless there's anything else recess us until 1 30, when we'll be back for 2 workshops starting at 1, 30.
13:31:26 Get that started. Okay,
13:31:37 Okay, Well, we have a quorum of the board here, and I fully expect Kate to jump on any minute.
13:31:48 Oh, okay, is that me? or someone else that's okay, Sorry I had ab running
13:32:04 So the first item, agenda. item for this afternoon is a workshop with the Climate Action Committee regarding forests and trees, greenhouse gas inventory for 2,001 to 2,016 and
next steps
13:32:17 and Commissioner Dean was the lead for this she's on this committee.
13:32:23 Oh, sorry I have to call after reconvene this meeting of the Board of County Commissioners May Sixteenth, 2022, anyway.
13:32:33 Kate was the lead. because she sits on this committee with you guys.
13:32:37 But as we all know, she's been out for the last week, and I think she's joining us again this afternoon.
13:32:42 But i've been pinch hitting a little bit for her, and I did draft the agenda request for this and
13:32:52 I think we're starting with the presentation by you right Cindy correct?
13:32:58 So I would say, Carolyn, just keep your eyes open for Kate, and we will get going with There she is.
13:33:11 Okay, So I went ahead and start sharing. Can you see the Okay, So ready to go?
13:33:20 Great. Well, thank you all for the opportunity to update You and behalf of the city county.
13:33:28 Join climate Action committee my name cindy jane chair of the committee, and I'll be speaking today along with Cindy brats from part of the forest modeling team.
13:33:38 Let's see, as you may recall the climate action committee is approved 3 reports in the past 4 years, starting with an updated greenhouse gas inventory fall by report modeling
the top opportunities to reduce our
13:33:52 emissions. And then, most recently, this forest and tree greenhouse gas inventory.
13:33:59 Today. we'd like to summarize the recent report and then discuss possible next steps as well as talk about some upcoming activities.
13:34:05 With the cac and some requested input to them. But first I want to offer my sincere appreciation for our modeling volunteers.
13:34:14 Katherine Copis, the do brought to myself, perform the modeling, and come. The Hitchcock of the county give great the Gis support, Patricia Jones providing policy and guidance.
13:34:25 And then Mallory Weinheimer. who, you all know, provide a great technical advice.
13:34:29 Review, and we also got great review comments from a variety of organizations across the area, and also many thanks to Itley, who led us through a 6 month training and develop
the tools that we use for this modeling So now
13:34:46 I will turn it over to Cindy brats to discuss that modeling approach.
13:34:52 Well let's talk about how forest work foresty ecosystems, including trees and soils remove or sequester Co.
13:35:00 2 from the atmosphere and store it long term in soils, and both above and below ground.
13:35:06 Biomass. This figure shows the natural forest carbon cycle, not including harvests or changes in land use.
13:35:15 Next slide. let's talk about some definitions just to set the stage.
13:35:22 We modeled removals and emissions, removals expressed in negative metric tons per year.
13:35:30 Our end the annual amount of Co. 2 removed from the atmosphere by the forest ecosystem, mostly through photosynthesis.
13:35:38 Emissions are the total amount of co 2 released to the atmosphere by the forest ecosystem.
13:35:43 As a result of a specific activities, such as harvest, fire, wind, etc., expressed as metric tons storage.
13:35:52 The amount of carbon stored in a forest ecosystem.
13:35:55 At 1 point in time metric tens and the Us.
13:36:00 Forest definition of sequestration is the process by which atmospheric Co.
13:36:06 2 is removed by trees, grasses, and other plants, through photosynthesis, and stored as carbon in biomass and soils.
13:36:14 Next. This map of the Us. shows the average annual change in carbon stocks for undisturbed forests, and you'll see the legend in the lower left shows carbon removals as negative
numbers as I mentioned their metric tons per hector
13:36:32 per year the forest in Jefferson County you'll see Our high carbon priority, and have high carbon sequestration potential.
13:36:41 This figure, like most of them, were showing in this presentation is, or some shown in this presentation, is from the Ickley, 2,020 forestry cohort training.
13:36:52 Next Hi Co. 2 removal and storage ability can be reduced
13:37:05 Hello! I'll be freezing up cindy
13:37:13 And you may wanna turn off your camera or yeah so let's see if she comes back here.
13:37:22 I'll jump in here briefly, until we see you can hear me still, right?
13:37:28 , So right So basically, you can see the the 3 things that impact the co 2 removal land use force disturbance and changes in tree canopy area.
13:37:39 And we have evidence of all of those in this report. So the modeling approach we use is using a relatively new, equally learn tool.
13:37:51 Learn is land emissions and removals navigator and
13:37:58 It leverages the national land current database. We choose 3 periods, time, periods, all 5 years long.
13:38:06 The most recent data is for 2011 to 2016
13:38:11 And then the results are categories in 3 different categories, forest and non forests, and land that stays the same.
13:38:19 And if we have cindy bread back let me let me know.
13:38:24 But let's hear and the learn tool also includes a harvest and products calculator that estimates the carbon and the C 2 that's stored in wood products over a 100 year timeframe.
13:38:36 So we pull data from Washington dnr harvest data and use that didn't put into that tool to make those calculations.
13:38:44 So we we modeled the entire county, but then also broke it down by sub areas based on ownership.
13:38:52 So you can see here the different colors corresponding to the different ownership categories of here in our manage lands and city lands, the commercial, industrial, etc., National
Park and Forest the County
13:39:11 is 76% forested overall, which is fairly impressive.
13:39:17 So now i'll jump into the results so This program shows the results for the entire county, minus the National park and wilderness area.
13:39:27 We We ran analyses both ways the entire county but but also in some cases took out the county minus the national park, since it's a bit of a different beast, and we looked at
for this diagram for 2011 to 2016 the
13:39:42 green or Co. 2 removals, and the reds are emissions, so you can see that the undisturbed this first category is undisturbed forest, and they remove 2 million metric tons of
co 2
13:39:57 per year so pretty impressive. removals from our on displayed force.
13:40:02 The forest disturbances this first one I got a little cut off here, but it's natural disturbances, and this was primarily insects in our area.
13:40:14 Across this time frame, even though it's still removing co 2.
13:40:18 But because of the insect damage it's removing out a reduced rate compared to the understood force.
13:40:25 The next 3 categories you see here. non force to forest, harvested wood, product, and forest harvest are all related to harvesting.
13:40:34 The harvest wood product. We talked about estimates how much it carbon is stored in wood for over 100 years.
13:40:44 The non forest of forests. We found in this report that areas that were not forested and then turned before us primarily areas that had been harvested and then regrown.
13:40:54 And so that sort of also related to the harvest cycle.
13:40:56 But when you combine those screen together, the emissions from harvest were the largest emissions.
13:41:03 For all 3 of the periods that we looked at they'll also see that these last 2 categories force being converted to other lands or force settlement, were relatively small in this
area, and impressively where we end up with this is
13:41:16 about 1.6 million metric tons of Co. 2 per year removed in the county, minus the national park and wilderness areas.
13:41:28 So this figure shows C* removal per acre for each ownership.
13:41:34 Category. Negative numbers indicate co 2 removal, while positive numbers indicate emissions the commercial industrial area was the only emitter.
13:41:45 During this period, and also during the 2,006 to 2,011 period, but not for the first period of 2,001 to 2,006.
13:41:53 And actually the handout had that incorrect. So just an update to that.
13:41:57 You can see by looking at these numbers, the Us. course, service land minus 5.0 had the highest per acre Co.
13:42:05 2 removal of all the different areas. and also not surprisingly, has a very high 93% amount of forested land.
13:42:16 The National Park. we were a little surprised initially that the National Park was not the highest, but then we realized
13:42:23 It's 78% Forested so not not as high as the forests in Dnr Land.
13:42:29 And of course we've got lovely forests within the National Park, but it also includes glaciers and lakes and beaches and other areas that don't have trees. Cindy can I ask one
question, about this graph So the this is like
13:42:43 reflects. all of Dnr. is land forest management in this
13:42:59 And note that the county owned for is here 67% forested and minus 4 point.
13:43:03 2 is actually the second highest rate of Co. 2 removal.
13:43:07 So good job for that, and then it's good to see but of course the amount accounting land is relatively small.
13:43:13 So then we took the total Co. 2 removal across the entire county in the 2011 to 2,016, and looked at Percentage Wise, who was removing that Co.
13:43:26 2, and you can see the national Park in wilderness areas has the highest amount of acreage, for one thing, but also because the management techniques approach used.
13:43:41 There had the highest percent removal of the Co.
13:43:43 2 across the entire county. Yep. and then you can see the other ones, and then the smaller ones.
13:43:50 The smaller land areas, including like the county own just doesn't show up on this chart.
13:43:59 So then we've looked at dnr land just to show this kind of what waterfall does diagram of how that is faring.
13:44:07 This is for the again the 2,011, the 26 time period which we were using for this.
13:44:12 You can see all the all the time periods in the report, but we're just highlighting that for this, you know.
13:44:18 Nice removal again from the undisturbed force.
13:44:22 Again. the insect disease reduce that a little bit.
13:44:25 There was some insect aspect in that time period, and then the harvest was the largest source of emissions which reduced the co 2 removal for that time period, and note that
the harvest area the
13:44:41 harvest impact. for stake in our land was the smallest in this period was actually larger. In the other 2 periods that we analyzed.
13:44:49 Ask me a question about that? point, too. So is is harvest.
13:44:54 Does that mean? Just harvest? Does that mean through the will to to end in the wood status? I mean?
13:45:01 Where Where is the Where does that go? Get to? Yep. Good Question. So we call it net harvest here, and that combined those 3 pieces.
13:45:10 So we talked about in the very beginning. The harvested wood product is sort of a credit against those harvest emissions.
13:45:17 And also, since we saw this reforestation happening any area that went from forest to from non force to forest, we viewed as related to the harvesting, so we gave it credit
for that area as well so it's the sum
13:45:32 of those 3 different aspects. Thank you. So then we looked at the trends over time.
13:45:40 You, starting from the first time period of 2,006, and then comparing to the 2011 to 2,016, and overall, you can see across the whole county.
13:45:49 There is a 5% decrease in co 2 removal. So that's a reduction in the annual rate of Co.
13:45:57 2 removal or bad right now. the way we don't want to go. We want to improve Co.
13:46:01 2 removal so overall the decrease. Yeah. And that was driven primarily by actually the total amount of force seen in the most recent period was a bit less than in that first
period.
13:46:15 So that was caused by a reduction in the total forest.
13:46:19 There was actually in the National Park also had a an interesting decrease, and that was, we believe, look like it was primarily due to the Paradise Fire in 2015, and the emissions
related from Matt as well as some wind
13:46:33 damage reduce the cause of reduction in its sequestration in the National Park.
13:46:40 But you'll see that the county own land actually increased quite a bit.
13:46:42 There was very little harvesting in the most recent time period. So website, So there's a nice increase in sequestration or in co 2 removal in the most recent period compared
to the first time.
13:46:59 Period. So that's another question about those numbers I saw that go back one slide, I thought Dnr and Jefferson County managed you know, and I guess that probably includes
State Board.
13:47:11 I thought the State Forest Trust was about 15,000 acres plus another 15,000 acres that were in that have the spotted owl, maybe 30, and then I don't know how much State schools
is but i'm having a hard time
13:47:24 adding up to to 200,000 acres and i'm wondering if you can break that number down a little bit.
13:47:30 Yeah, I know, I don't have the details that we could go back to the earlier slide.
13:47:36 That shows where those properties are. but hi in our next slide show for the next session, where we have that number, and the total is 212,818 acres alright yeah, th this is
13:47:53 based on Kevin hitchcock's analysis of the areas.
13:47:57 So good. Thank you for that. Okay. So now a step back and talk about the relationship between these 2 different inventories.
13:48:08 So the 2,018 greenhouse gas inventory sector based one, was emissions.
13:48:13 How much do we emit? And you can see here we emitted roughly 275,000 Metric tons of Co.
13:48:22 2 in that year, and then for the whole county in this force.
13:48:28 Inventory it. there was about 3 point. 7 million metric tons were removed, or about 13 times.
13:48:37 The sector based emissions using that 2011 to 2,016.
13:48:41 The most recent time period we have, and that is a per year, You know.
13:48:45 This is the per year removal. So overall it shows a net removal of Co.
13:48:52 2 across the county, and that's great news but not surprising right.
13:48:55 We have a huge amount of force in their county we're a relatively small population, you know, limited industrial facilities.
13:49:03 And really we expect that the sequestration ability of our account of our county forests like you saw in the beginning some of the best really in the country.
13:49:13 So really the State and and the Us. as a whole is probably gonna be looking our force and and similar forests across the country to help them meet their overall goals.
13:49:24 And, in fact, when we did the equally training they discussed that it's not unusual for rural areas to be a net sequester of that of of carbon, so we should we should be happy
with results we shouldn't pat
13:49:36 ourselves on the back too much right, so summary, or forest, or something the best in the Us.
13:49:45 For moving Co. 2 from the atmosphere.
13:49:49 We do see a large variation in the per acre rate of carbon removal depending on ownership, harvest levels, and the amount of forested land Undisturbed forests also provide the
highest level of carbon removals
13:50:00 and the older force provide the larger that will lower the force the larger the volume of carbon storage, and of course the county has opportunity to impact future carbon removal
through policy and actions.
13:50:14 So we'll talk a little bit next about some potential.
13:50:21 Next steps. that the modeling team came up with first.
13:50:24 The you know, the full report is online on the climate action.
13:50:26 Pretty documents, Web page. so encourage you to download that it has a more full list of potential.
13:50:31 Next steps, and then the handout also has a a bit of a longer list.
13:50:36 I'll just talk highlight if a few of them here. but first, just note that I saw the letter that you all sent to Washington.
13:50:45 Dnr. on April fourth, though talking about exploring alternative force practices, and that's certainly very consistent with the next steps.
13:50:53 So thank you for that letter. Some other ideas are as as you're, well aware, working with Dnr to do trustline transfers or reconvenience to county ownership for a significant
force of tracks looking at expanding the
13:51:07 County Forestry program to include carbon management on county lands, and also ways to support force management of private lands through education and policy that can maximize
carbon storage.
13:51:21 Other ideas are, as I know you will do, but advocate for carbon policies at the State and Federal levels.
13:51:29 Consider goals for carbon removal on lands in the county.
13:51:33 You reforesting lands is key so opportunity to encourage and incentivize reforestation.
13:51:40 And again see the handout and the report for a broader full list.
13:51:48 So now, just wrap up with talking about some upcoming activities and some specific areas where we'd love your input with the Climate Action committee.
13:51:57 So, as we did with freeze reports. The cac will now use these slides as a base for a presentation to the public, and tailor it to that audience, and also, as we did with the
greenhouse gas
13:52:10 reduction opportunities. report We've established a forest working group to help move forward.
13:52:16 Some of the ideas in this report, and we're fortunate to have most of the force inventory team, as well as a few others.
13:52:24 Join that group, and we'd love to get your feedback on the priorities for that group, and then separately.
13:52:34 Now that we have these 3 new inventories,
13:52:38 And given the latest information from the intergovernmental panel on climate change.
13:52:43 I'm sure you're all well aware of of the data showing the need to reduce emissions across the world. We think the timing might be right to consider to reconsider our community
wide goals and think about.
13:52:56 If we want to update those based on the latest data.
13:53:01 So we'd like to get your input on that so I think with that we're on to any questions, and then the discussion of some of those specific areas.
13:53:11 We talked about questions. Sure, I have a couple of questions thank you very much for all the work.
13:53:18 Obviously, there's a lot that went into this appreciate it I thought digging through your slides. so I didn't see it today that, according to the I guess, the learn tool harvested
would is basically 20% of the
13:53:31 carbon is stored. Is that accurate and i'm just wondering if you can drill into that analysis a little bit more?
13:53:37 Or is that just kind of is that the baseline that You're pretty comfortable with yeah, that yeah, that's based on you know the learn tool has a has a or did wood product?
13:53:51 Calculator. and that, you know, 21% is the the number that we came up with, on average for the for the announcement as a percentage of harvest emissions.
13:54:00 Yeah, i've i've heard from others that that's kind of in the ballpark of of you know some other estimates.
13:54:08 So yeah, that's about all I could say and it was something happy to send you the report the calculator itself has all the references as to where it came from.
13:54:18 But that's kind of piece of this developed with through the Italy learn tool.
13:54:24 The team of experts like put together. for that tool development and that's great.
13:54:27 And I I was also wondering if this this tool, the learn tool
13:54:32 Is it possible to put like? Take a stand, you know, more granular, a stand of trees, or a 1,000 acres?
13:54:40 Or what have whatever unit you want to talk about and then put it through different management models to see what the different carbon sequestration levels are carbon sequestration
and carbon storage are because that's information.
13:54:54 I don't still feel like I have comparing those different models of management.
13:54:58 For to establish you know how much carbon is sequestered, and what How do they stack up next to each other? Right? Yeah.
13:55:10 Great question of the penny wise and the beaver Valley areas to look at that the way it's not perfect.
13:55:18 But the way we do it is you can see you can see what the you know, what's being sequestered currently or the Co.
13:55:28 2 removal currently and then we It had an emissions factor for harvested land.
13:55:34 So you could say, Okay? Well, if all the land was harvested, then you would, you know, take that emissions factor and apply it towards the amount harvested, and that would be
you know. So we looked at it modeled it that
13:55:46 way. so there's some ways it doesn't sort of directly do that.
13:55:49 But you can kind of pull out some of the pieces of data.
13:55:53 And say, yes, Well, you know, basically using those emissions factors same thing.
13:55:57 There's emissions, factors, associated with undisturbed forest.
13:56:01 So you know if all the force was understood that would be the will be if you got if there's no conversion to any other type, so it'd be kind of by sort of manually taking some
of those removal and emissions
13:56:13 factors and applying it to the different strategies great thank you i'll look forward to the more the actual on the ground analysis of Penny Wise and Beaver Valley in the next
presentation.
13:56:23 Thank you very much. Can Can we dig into that a little further?
13:56:28 That question. and hi, cindy Sorry I was I haven't yeah.
13:56:32 Again. So so in that, you know if if say we're interested in selective harvest.
13:56:44 And I know there's a a more skillful name for that that i'm forgetting.
13:56:48 But the variable is that variable variable retention assuming that you're taking out half as many trees or like, would we come up with some of assumption on the the because
it's based on forest cover removal
13:57:12 right? So you just kind of lessen that total amount of removal?
13:57:19 Right? Yeah. Yeah, you would have to. What we did crudely was set for those properties.
13:57:24 What if all of it were harvested right? So this that would be the removal.
13:57:28 But yeah, you could certainly model percentage. So use those same emissions, factors, and say how much?
13:57:35 How much of acreage would be harvested.
13:57:38 And then calculate it based on that, and how much would be undisturbed.
13:57:42 Of course, things like insect damage you know you don't know what that's going to be in the future. so you you know.
13:57:48 But you can sort of either. Look at history and Say, Okay, if we have the similar amount of insect damages we had previously and you lose some granularity in terms of you know
in in selective harvest where
13:58:01 you'd be taking out trees that were not ideally positioned to grow as big, you know, because of where they're located, or you know you take take it some of the weaker trees
to allow the stronger ones, to drive and so you lose a little bit of
13:58:14 that sensitivity right smart enough to be able to tell friends there.
13:58:22 And then I was curious is the the work group that you mentioned and I know you are so many hats.
13:58:30 It's hard for me to know which one you have on at any given time, but the the work you've been doing with Heidi.
13:58:37 Is that that work group that is, has been looking at things like the Dnr sales.
13:58:41 And or are you doing that with a different hat on yeah right good good question. It's sort of been Yeah, we've given especially the short timeline here.
13:58:57 Cindy Broth is leading the forest work group. But captain, provide some data to you.
13:59:04 All that might be useful for this next workshop. Thank you.
13:59:12 Other other questions. it's not i'd like it wouldn't mind a few minutes.
13:59:20 Let's see to see. Yeah, Well, actually exactly that you know priorities for the Forest working group.
13:59:25 So you've got the full list of next steps if there's particular next steps you would like us to dig into.
13:59:34 That's that's we love your input on that obviously here, or you know, or other opportunities that you have.
13:59:41 But that's what that that's what we're looking at is what makes sense.
13:59:47 How can we most be of use to you all in helping move forward these next steps
13:59:55 And and then I guess i'll move on if there's no questions or comments on that at this time.
14:00:01 Thoughts on updating. Oh, yeah, go ahead. Yeah. just a couple of things.
14:00:05 I mean. I think we are embarking on a probably fairly long term analysis, I mean I I don't.
14:00:11 I have not seen the work that it's gonna be presented today, but I've i'm guessing it'll be a fairly long term Conversation with Dnr about our forests and about stayed on forests
here in
14:00:27 Jefferson County. So I I think, having input from that group would be really helpful.
14:00:34 And you know, not gonna step out any toes here, Heidi.
14:00:36 So you know it sounds like you guys are connected and that's great. Yeah, we have.
14:00:46 We have Mary Jean and and catherine both joining us and they've been doing a lot of the league work on the carbon analysis for the Beaver Valley sorts and then they kept going
and did penny wise too, so we've got all
14:00:50 that detail for the next workshop that's great then another opportunity. I see which you did call out Cindy.
14:00:57 But is the helping to advise on the county forestry program, which is also very much in in the making right now.
14:01:05 So it's good timing to have input and They just have kind of an agreed upon analysis.
14:01:13 You know It's interesting. We We went through this with this very report you presented today, you know, and talking to Dnr about like all the different ways you could calculate
this.
14:01:20 But it'd be nice if like if the force working group could be on the same page as wellory.
14:01:27 You know, and in the kind of the assumptions we make, and how we set ourselves up to track our progress with that program long term, including carbon calculations.
14:01:37 So I think that would be a really useful task that that committee could consider.
14:01:43 And then, yeah, i'm i'm definitely interested in where I think you were going, which is the idea of should we be revisiting our our goal in the cac for reduction of greenhouse
guesses?
14:01:57 And yeah, very interested in that you know i'm curious kind of what what you're thinking is, and what the the thinking is in the climate change community around the
14:02:12 You know, we know that. What is it that 100 companies are responsible for 80% of emissions in the globally or something?
14:02:18 And like, you know, How do we assess where we put our energy when we know that individual choices are so minor and yet like, we have to be creating a new reality and creating
demand for new systems?
14:02:35 And infrastructure and So I I would love for that to be a part of the conversation too great.
14:02:42 Yeah. and and I think with the Goals we've got I think the discussion of the Cc.
14:02:50 So far has been. We very much want to keep separate the emissions and the forestry side right, and treat them separately, and have separate goals for each.
14:02:59 And then also, yeah, the consumption side is another one that that is a little bit harder in a way to to track over time.
14:03:10 But is another aspect that that we'd like to think about so sounds like in general. If the Coc.
14:03:15 Goes forward and and starts developing those pit possible new goals and bringing them back to you all, or having discussion with you.
14:03:21 It sounds like you're open to that absolutely i'd say I guess i'm i'm i'm waiting for our short term conversation.
14:03:29 I think we'll inform a lot of the goals that We're looking for to for the from the county's perspective for the Ca.
14:03:35 To move forward on. But I think it's it's really exciting work.
14:03:39 So I really appreciate the the committee doing this and and you know. Yeah, data is what we need right now, and it's it's really it's hard to get your arms around it.
14:03:48 So appreciate it great. Well, I think we're bad outside. But thank you very much for the opportunity to present to you today, and many thanks again to all the team did this
work, and the the group willing to continue going forward .
14:04:05 Presentation, I believe that was half an hour that just flew by.
14:04:09 I I could ask lots more questions, but we'll do that at Ca: City.
14:04:14 Okay, Okay, am I not sharing anymore? Did that go with?
14:04:19 Yeah, Okay, not sharing. Thanks, Cindy and Zoomy.
14:04:22 Thank you. Thanks. so, Carolyn, we need to bring over Dave!
14:04:29 And drew. Dave Gordon drew Rosenbaum, Mary, Jean Ryan Scott, and Stacey.
14:04:45 Breeda awesome. I
14:04:53 I have an email list of those so yeah i'm just starting this off by saying that since april fourth and fifth when we sent our letter to dnr I've had hundreds of conversations
and a number of
14:05:09 those folks are with us today. and have helped kind of frame the presentation.
14:05:16 I'm. i'm gonna share with you guys and I I wanna we're not having a public hearing or public comment portion of this.
14:05:24 This is more of us having a conversation and a and a workshop for us, because I felt like we came out of right in that letter.
14:05:31 And then it was like this flurry of questions, and so I started to try and answer a few questions like what are the impacts to the tenure taxing districts from the beaver value
source timber sale and that open
14:05:42 up a whole doorway. Of other questions which led to another doorway.
14:05:47 I feel like I was in our what's the not the Narnia.
14:05:52 I was in Narnia, I went into the wardrobe on on these this issue, so
14:05:59 A number of folks have helped and half of them are on the screen with us, and I just wanna i'm gonna share the slide deck, and I won't be able to see very many of you then,
But just gonna start and then share
14:06:15 my screen,
14:06:22 Share screen
14:06:31 Oh, good! I can still see you so start in the forest.
14:06:36 I just wanna start out by thanking a bunch of people.
14:06:41 At the top of the list are our Stacy pry to our treasurer, and Jeff Chapman, our assessor and monte Rinders are public works director for having multiple conversations with
me over The course of the last
14:06:53 month, and then Chemical School, Superintendent Scott, Mock, Chimicum, School finance, and operations are Clark, Jefferson County Library, Director, Tamra, Meredith, East Jefferson
Fire and Rescue, Fire Chief
14:07:06 Bret, Black, Jefferson County Forest release Mallory Weinheimer from chickade forestry, ecologist, Catherine Copis, who wears so many hats.
14:07:17 I learned So center for responsible Forestry Board Member and Jefferson County resident, Mary Jean Ryan, Jim Simpkins, who was Mary Jean secret weapon on crunching Osbi data
to look at
14:07:31 the contribution of timber to overall school construction budgets or school budgets.
14:07:39 Mark Boyer. who's on our our trustland advocates group who did a lot of the carbon offset research and worked with, you know, a number of other people.
14:07:53 But i'm gonna credit my mark here and then our Dnr colleagues were with us in the with us today drew a Rosenbaum from the Olympic region.
14:08:02 I think I saw Mona there as well and then Dave Gordon, who's the conservation?
14:08:11 Recreation and transaction transactions division manager for Dnr: So it's been an adventure that I've been on for the last month, and i'm just gonna start sharing slides and
goes
14:08:23 going through this. but if let's if if someone has a question just raise your hand and someone speak up as hands Come us.
14:08:33 How yours Greg you're not in a presentation mode. I don't know if you want to go into presentation, See how it's in your next line yeah at the bottom Maybe Maybe let's see
14:08:55 from beginning is that it has to be in previous presentation mode.
14:09:00 When you select the the screen to share you might want to talk, to share and and do a little more time if stop share.
14:09:11 Okay. Takes a village.
14:09:27 It's not letting me do both of those things share screen screen one Sharon, and from beginning how's that got it? now?
14:09:45 Okay, So thank you. Thanks, Greg for being our it in the house.
14:09:52 Okay. So starting out with kind of an overall this is this is the context of Jefferson County and the different Dnr Trust, and that I already say if someone has something to
add, or or a comment to make just please speak up because I
14:10:12 can't see everybody. So the thing that I felt like this image our team articulated well for us is the the State Forest transfer lands are the ones that include Beaver Valley
sorts.
14:10:29 And so those are all that the yellow polygons in East Jefferson County.
14:10:34 There's a very small bit out here in west Jefferson, but it's all these yellow polygons in East Jefferson County.
14:10:42 So this wasn't a high moment for me and I guess this is mostly me sharing all my my moments with you.
14:10:47 But it's so much of the dnr land in East Jefferson County is the State Boris transfer land, and those are the lands that were granted to the State from the counties at in the
14:11:02 twenties and thirties after they were given to the T, or acquired by the counties for non payment of property taxes, and during the depression.
14:11:12 So those lands are all over here in East Jefferson County.
14:11:16 So what I wanted to say here is You know the Board of National Resources has has been talking about old Old Growth Forest and older forests, and also the Beaver Valley sort.
14:11:29 Sale has been in the works for us a number of years.
14:11:33 But it came on to the April B. in our agenda kind of like.
14:11:40 All of a sudden it was there, cause it it got it got sped up, and I it.
14:11:44 Dave Gordon drew correct me if I if I mischaracterize anything.
14:11:49 So we got a look. We got some input from some residents asking us to take action to send a letter to the Board of Mental Resources, asking them to hold off slow.
14:11:58 This down and so we sent a letter, we on our at our April fourth meeting. we approved.
14:12:07 We said, we got this letter. We want to send a Dnr.
14:12:12 We got it to Dnr. they were meeting on April fifth.
14:12:14 They considered our letter. they delayed the timber sale until They're the July auction they said we'll give.
14:12:22 We'll give this some time so they're they slowed it down a bit, and then the next day Dnr did this historic carbon pilot announcement.
14:12:32 So. It was a very busy first week of April on all these issues, and I think from our action of writing the letter to the response we got from that to this big carbon announcement.
14:12:44 It was like, Whoa! We have a lot to learn really fast.
14:12:53 So the first thing that I wanted to ground us in is, I ask Angus for these, I said.
14:13:01 What are I been listening to? the bnr meetings for a while, like what are what specifically send me the language.
14:13:06 That's the existing older forest policy which is the top paragraph there, and the existing old growth policy.
14:13:16 And this is this: This is from their publication, called Policy for sustainable for us, that was published in 2,006.
14:13:26 So, as the Board of these national Resources has been saying for a while, we need to update our older forest policy.
14:13:30 This is the policy they're talking about It currently States that they target 10 to 15% of each Western Washington habitat conservation plan planning unit.
14:13:43 And and i'll show those later for older forests based on characteristics over time.
14:13:51 So that 10 to 15% number was one of my first questions.
14:13:56 Well, how can our way to that? And then? in terms of old growth? They defer harvest of old growth stands 5 acres and larger, that originated naturally before 4, 1850 that's
a current practice so those are the
14:14:17 existing older forest and old growth forest policies that Dnr has any questions here.
14:14:28 So this was super helpful for me, because I started to hear about legacy for us that i'm like how do legacy forests interact with these 2 policies, and over the course of the
last month I've come to understand their closest
14:14:44 to the older forests legacy for us are not necessarily old growth forests, but older forest, naturally regenerated older forests, and we'll take a closer look at those There's
19 slides around.
14:15:00 3. Okay. So So then I said, Well, what are those Hcp planning units?
14:15:04 And where are they at next to their targets and I can't even remember who found this table for me?
14:15:11 I kept asking these questions: Help So Hcb Targets are measured by these planning units, and Jefferson County falls in the Straits planning unit here.
14:15:25 Any what's Hcp: Sorry have a tat sorry habitat, conservation plan, and see that and it's the mirrorlet policy.
14:15:32 Yeah, thanks. And I need to look back. I have all my notes.
14:15:38 But So under under their policy for sustainable forests.
14:15:47 Dnr manages. works towards maintaining around restoring fully functional forces for us on 10 to 15% of lands covered by the Hcp.
14:15:59 And it's my understanding that they had like a a window to do that, and maybe it was when they started.
14:16:05 Maybe it wasn't 90 years somebody could dave drew they're not timing up hi!
14:16:15 This is David. I I think it was 70 years that the habitat conservation plan was across.
14:16:22 Okay, So I think it's that 2090 number though which is where? that?
14:16:30 That. Well, if it it would have been more like 2080, anyway.
14:16:38 So okay? So then, I said, Stacy, what has been the contribution of the State Forest transfer lands?
14:16:49 So those county lands, those 15% of are those 15,000 acres of Dnr lands.
14:16:58 Most of the yellow ones in East Jefferson County to the junior taxing districts.
14:17:03 And how far back can we look? And she said, I can give you solid information back to 2,017.
14:17:07 So this is the verbatim contributions to junior taxing district.
14:17:16 Hi taxing districts since 2,017 and if you Notice the bottom line.
14:17:22 You'll see that it's it's pretty up and down
14:17:32 With the high and 2020 and a low and 2021
14:17:39 And I don't know if stacy wants to say anything about this slide or
14:17:46 Only if you have questions, , okay, and we could go back if anyone ever wants to go back.
14:17:52 So So then, i'm like Okay, so let's so we that's that's kind of the some of the contacts within which these questions were being posed. and then, let's look at that Beaver Valley
sorts Well,
14:18:05 Greg actually went out and looked at. beaver valley sorts so I don't know Greg. if you want to give some of your first hand impressions.
14:18:16 Sure you know. we walked through you see some of the previously harvested area, and I would say it's been replanted appropriately, and there's there's already you know the 3
species of trees are are visible as well
14:18:30 as under story, coming back in already and in unit 3. I think we were in.
14:18:36 I mean there big trees you know I mean big straight trees I'm. i'm not an expert.
14:18:42 I was there with you know, foresters and ecologists, and I would say it.
14:18:47 You know it. It looked like a forest, not like a tree farm, you know.
14:18:50 So, and I I guess I would. I think almost, you know, legacy for us and older for us.
14:18:56 The distinction that you that you made was that legacy, forest, or natural regrowth.
14:19:03 And I think all forests of that danger probably natural rebroad.
14:19:05 So they would all be like a sea. forest. I still see those as it's pretty synonymous definitions from all the data I've gotten, because I don't think they were planting back
Then after they harvested
14:19:15 But yeah, it's you know the proximity to Teal Lake.
14:19:21 You see the commercial forestry. blank spots in there as well, and there's dnr land I guess that's mostly dnr land.
14:19:27 No, I guess a lot of run to you like, I think, a lot of commercial private forestry.
14:19:31 But it's it's proximity to neighborhoods is is significant.
14:19:40 But it is it. Grows back fast and I don't know i'm not i'm not sure I guess that's what I have to share.
14:19:47 Now, unless there's some specific questions now that's so So this sale was originally issued for a dns or a determination of non-significance was in was issued for the sale
and april of 2,021 and at
14:20:07 the time. It was a 4 unit sale, but subsequently, in the intervening year, one unit was removed, and that was unit.
14:20:15 One, because it had such a quality of forest that Angus Brodie, from Dnr.
14:20:22 Recommended removing well, came back kind, of I think I kind of a little bit stuck, and I think it was actually the region that recommended removal.
14:20:31 We're moving unit one from the sale and just bringing the sale forward as a 3 unit sale and mona orrew correct me if i'm wrong with that.
14:20:46 So that's what happened. Okay, great and then just an important side note to this a little bit.
14:20:55 I think a little bit of our let's send a letter was that over the course of the winter?
14:21:04 I was forwarded a letter that was sent to the Board of Natural Resources by ironically our own State legislators, Kevin, Dander, Wagon, Mike Chapman, and 2 other legislators
from other parts of
14:21:14 the States, questioning Dnrs timing and schedule on some of these harvests and asking them to, you know.
14:21:25 Hurry up and get some of these done, and it just felt like I felt a little bit like a pressure cooker of pressure coming from multiple directions.
14:21:33 So So coming out of us? sending that letter I don't remember first, Gregor Kate, someone said, Well, what are the what are the actual fiscal implications?
14:21:45 To the junior task taxing districts from this one sale.
14:21:52 So the Stacy helped me with this, and this is
14:22:01 So the tax code area on the left there. is 2 3 one and that means it's in Chimp. it's Chimicum school district for Leo Fire district, and then the third digit defines the mix
of other junior
14:22:15 taxing districts that get revenue from a sale So there's different codes for different sales based on where they sit in the county, And so the percentages and this line are
the percentages of the total that of revenue from that timber sale that the junior taxing districts
14:22:39 receive. And what happened is if the the harvest planning document that I had I got at 1 point said that this was being offered at 2.7 million at auction.
14:22:52 So Dnr takes a quarter of that for management.
14:22:57 Everything from harvesting to replanting, and you know everything in between.
14:23:02 So they they do all of their work using that administrative fee, and in conversations.
14:23:08 I've had with other states and other forest land managers that seems like a fairly efficient 25% seems fairly efficient.
14:23:18 From what i've heard from other forest land managers, you regard this, we would have ended up with 2,025,000 to distribute to the various junior taxing districts.
14:23:32 So you'll see that the largest. amounts would have gone to Well, the State School Levy, Anyway, you can see you can see I don't need to tell You you can read I ask one question
about this the
14:23:51 the 2. and oh! just over 2 million dollars higher than I recall. and I'm wondering, is this with unit one still included.
14:23:58 Or is this and actually at the board of natural resources meeting on April fifth, based on the current market, It was estimated that it would come in a lot higher than that
actually But you know there's no you know
14:24:17 we just took the the the data I had on a pay piece of paper, and that said 2.7 million and applied that number.
14:24:26 Are there any other questions about these numbers I think it's it might be interesting to go back and look at the over 5 years, because you'll notice that these numbers in a
lot of cases are bigger than any other year's numbers for
14:24:45 various districts. So this this is a lot of money.
14:24:52 Okay, okay. And then, taking a little bit of a closer look though it's, I talked to the chimicum school district, and and then Mary Jean had gem work work with all of the State.
14:25:11 Ospi budget data, and this state forest transfer funds is a tiny fraction of the Timingham School district budget.
14:25:24 It's point 1 4 over the years There so the total is from 2017 to 2020.
14:25:36 One I didn't do 22 because we didn't have a number
14:25:41 So the total State forest funds were 83,000.
14:25:43 The budgeted revenue. The budget, for 4 years for Timicum schools was 56 million, so it it represents a tiny portion of the school budget, and this year would be a very different
slice, though wouldn't
14:25:59 it from this? Yeah. Yes.
14:26:09 So over time. let's see here's the fluctuation over time of revenues to timber, and it's always less than 1%.
14:26:24 And this you know it's just in the past it's always been a fraction very small fraction.
14:26:32 Okay, any questions. There, Scott, do you want to say anything I don't really have anything to add.
14:26:43 I I as somebody who has to budget year to year I don't count on the sale money to do anything. so it's not in my forecasting or thinking because see that there it's not and
it's not really
14:26:55 a whole lot of an impact. Okay. Okay.
14:27:10 And this was more of the work that Jim had done. But this was over.
14:27:14 Time again. just I said, What is the What is the universe of K.
14:27:18 12. Oh, and this you're probably seeing the are you saying that you're not seeing everything there.
14:27:28 It's just conveying that it's a very small percentage of school funding comes from common school trust revenue and other timber revenue.
14:27:47 Okay, So this is where this is. when when april sixth happened, the carbons conversation started happening, and then I'm like, Okay, Wait a second older for us.
14:28:03 Storm our carbon. How many acres of these legacy for us do we have in Jefferson County, at the at the Board of National Resources meeting yesterday?
14:28:11 They said that our only option was reconciled you can see what well, how I've been living through this.
14:28:18 But I was like, okay. So if we were to do reconciliation, you know how many acres of older forests are there.
14:28:25 And so I asked Mary Jean and catherine did this work to and i'm super grateful for you, Catherine, and if you want to speak to this, at all, please pipe up.
14:28:40 But I just wanna say that this the legacy forests as the center for responsible for free defines them.
14:28:52 Are They looked at for this table, at trees over a 120 feet tall, 3, 73 years or older, filter to a 10 acre patch size, and they excluded riparian areas.
14:29:05 So the image on the left shows a number of upcoming timber sales that are on the horizon.
14:29:16 But it wasn't clear to me How much it what the most most of those timber sales were they common school sales, or were they?
14:29:25 This was before I knew how many yellow polygons there were in East Jefferson County, how much of the land was actually this State forest transfer land.
14:29:33 So this is what Catherine came back with in terms of the distribution of legacy for us by trust.
14:29:44 So there's about almost 1,400 acres of state forest transfer.
14:29:49 So those county managed lands in the legacy forest or older Forest category.
14:30:00 Anyone wanna say here, I just always wanna give people a chance.
14:30:03 Can you? Can you describe what you mean by county managed lands, lands managed for the county by Dnr.
14:30:12 So those that that trust type that are those lands that were conveyed from the from the counties to the State for management.
14:30:22 As a result of back tax people's inability to pay their back back taxes during the depression.
14:30:31 Okay, great. thank you, So that's just a type of that's one of the trust that Dnr manages.
14:30:37 So if you remember, back to the first slides from the presentation that that articulated what those 2 have 200,000 plus acres were in Jefferson County, and of those this is
one of the trusts Those were the yellow
14:30:55 polygons. Okay, so I thought well let's so cause I knew I was bringing this back to Kate and Greg and I'm like, let's make this make sense for us who let's go to a place.
14:31:11 That we're familiar with talking about so we've also been familiar with the conversation around Deba Bay for the last, you know, 20 years. and
14:31:24 So this is that data from this slide this is down here around David Bay.
14:31:31 Here's the existing protected area this bright green and then this is the coil sort sale up here that we're gonna look at.
14:31:41 So this is the coil sort sale up here, and this is from center for responsible forestries.
14:31:52 Looking at what of the coil sort? Well left over sale.
14:31:57 Sorry. What is that made up of? How much legacy for us?
14:32:03 How much rare forest element Occurrence that's Dnr is Washington natural heritage program that catalogs all the rare plants and plant communities in Washington State.
14:32:16 And then what's the timber sale and Then these This is just the the proposed expansion boundary of the natural area, the green.
14:32:26 So you can see that this data provides us with an interesting look at
14:32:32 Here's here's part of the coil left over sale.
14:32:36 This is this is one of the stands they've been proposed to cut It's legacy for us and it's adjacent to the heritage.
14:32:47 Rare forest element occurrence. they're not proposing to cut that.
14:32:50 But it's adjacent to and I just thought this might be helpful because it's a geography that we've looked at the 3 of us have looked at a lot over the years
14:33:08 See. Okay, So the next slide is penny wise So now we're starting to get them put about penny wise, which people are like.
14:33:16 It's even more beautiful than mever valley sorts and I you know I'm jumping up and down and I'm I'm like, Okay, Well, let's let's take a look at that right let's at least talk
about it during
14:33:24 this workshop. So Greg also went out and looked at that with 2 different parties.
14:33:31 You want to talk about those? what you saw out there? Great cause.
14:33:34 That was pretty recent. Sure, I have not been to units you know 1 one through 6.
14:33:40 I've gone to unit 7 twice once with Catherine and Hillary and Mary Jean and Cindy rats who was with us earlier, and then once with Drews with us now and and Brian Turner and
you
14:33:53 know it. It It looked a lot like Beer Valley to my untrained eye, you know.
14:33:58 Again going through. manage land, and getting to this area. there was It's It's a it's a rich forest that that looks like the area, you know.
14:34:10 It wasn't there were older trees I guess legacy trees and there absolutely.
14:34:15 I appreciated that getting the amount of work that's gone into it. That's far right, you know.
14:34:23 Some kind costs are pretty significant, you know. I got a little bit of an idea when I was walking with our the advocates.
14:34:31 Seeing all the the leave trees identified, and kind of going through the process a little bit with Dnr on how they manage that, and and what they're managing for, and I think
intention of management is something we should come back
14:34:42 to as well, because there's man managing for all sorts of things managing for the trust that managing for ecology and the environment and habitats.
14:34:52 And and you know different groups are going to manage differently and I'm.
14:34:57 I'm not it's it's an interesting value question but it's another beautiful forest this one's up near a lot of us forest Service land that's you know I love I love going hiking
in it
14:35:09 and everything. So it's I I appreciate you kind of unspoiledness.
14:35:14 But when I was there, you know both times there was also a big pilot garbage that Dnr.
14:35:18 Would go pick up and and seeing the impacts on the land gave 2 lessons, one that people are slobs, and someone has to manage it, and also that the roads that facilitate this
management are used for recreational
14:35:34 opportunities, both that over intense with leaving garbage and other uses.
14:35:40 So 2 very different walks through the same stand of trees is what I had.
14:35:47 Is this some is this near penny creek it's right off of me.
14:35:53 Yeah. Okay, thanks. Any other questions. Okay. 13 of 19. So
14:36:05 Katherine pulled this together again. This is this is the proportion of legacy for us within current plan sales and and the trust beneficiaries of plan.
14:36:15 Legacy for us sales. So this this tells us kind of the schedule of upcoming sales that would impact legacy for us in East Jefferson County, and some of them are all State forest
transfer trust and some are a
14:36:34 mixture of you'll see here mostly you know any wise is mostly State force transfer.
14:36:40 Some common school. of the 2,600 acres Plan for harvest. During Drs fiscal 22 to 27, planning period.
14:36:54 Almost 1,200 acres are max's legacy for us, So that is a big chunk of the legacy forests that we have for the older forests that we have in East Jefferson County and 64% of
those
14:37:14 acres are of the total acres proposed for harvest are on state for us.
14:37:21 Transfer trust lands. thank you catherine so what are our options.
14:37:35 Well, there's there's a lot of options you know and I don't.
14:37:39 And I think this is the the beginning of this conversation. I want to say that loud and clear, because you know we've been scrambling for a month to pull a lot of this together.
14:37:49 But there are other counties Well, they'll just start so the option first option, but there is proceed with timber sales as planned.
14:37:58 That's you know you know that's as if we hadn't said anything.
14:38:05 This came to me from someone else? asked Dnr.
14:38:09 To develop a harvest plan for the straits planning unit that focus the with focuses away from older trees.
14:38:16 I can see. Maybe Drew and Dave, laughing at that, cause they have to put so much work in the planning.
14:38:21 All these sales. first sue reconvance and as I said earlier.
14:38:26 That's what I heard at the april fifth board of natural resource meeting that that was our option.
14:38:31 But i've had a lot of conversations over the last month with other counties that have pursued reconciliation.
14:38:41 Are considering reconvenience, or are on a similar path as us, or asking a lot of these questions.
14:38:48 Jefferson County itself did a reconvenience in the past. Up by Gibbs Lake Asylum Alder Timber sale.
14:38:56 I talked to Monty about that, and he said he they you know they manage that process, and public works has managed a couple timber sales, but he doesn't want to be in the that
business necessarily right?
14:39:09 But with with good effect, though they've done a couple of timber sales.
14:39:15 So Kitzap County has a forestry program nested within its parks district that does some settings for forest health, and that's who Mallory are no their forester is who Mallory
has worked with a
14:39:29 lot to understand how she should approach doing some of the projects she's doing with us out here.
14:39:38 Watkham County. This was an interesting one. they had 88, 8,800 acres reconciled, and the late Guacam watershed around like welcome, cause. it's the drinking water source for
the city of
14:39:50 Bellingham. So they added that to their parks, So the Rcw.
14:39:57 For you can advance. It says that the lands have to be reincarnated for a park's purpose, and then and further questions with Arno from Kids app county. he said, that you know
That's true.
14:40:10 And they can do thinnings for forest health so over the course of
14:40:20 The last week I have encountered a number of I Well, we could ask for all 15,000 makers of State Forest transfer lands.
14:40:28 The Dr. manages for Jefferson County beneficiaries back, or we could just ask for the about 1,400 acres that are characterized as legacy forest.
14:40:38 And Dnr. would continue managing the remaining 13,500, about 13,500 acres of State forest transfer lands for Jefferson County, or we could.
14:40:56 How do we know how feasible that is no I mean I That's why I wanna once once we get through this slide show.
14:41:02 I wanna have a conversation, and I would love it. dave Andrew, if you put a pin in that question, because that's seeming like a an interesting path forward in terms of us creating
some kind of carbon people have been calling it a
14:41:17 Carbon Park, a carbon reserve in Jefferson County.
14:41:23 And then, you know, in my conversations with these other counties, and with with Arno and Kids app, you know, they they pursue alternative management approaches on reconveyed
land.
14:41:34 So they do. selective harvest or variable density. thinning. The sale of carbon offsets is something that when when Dnr made its announcement on April sixth, I was like
14:41:47 Well, maybe we can do that, and then i've been asked a number of times.
14:41:53 Can. Dnr: just focus on stands made up of younger age classes and hold the older for us.
14:42:02 And then a few people have said, Well, how do you been involved with this trustland transfer work group for the last year.
14:42:06 Can't We do is just trust them transfer of our older forests.
14:42:10 I think that that's probably not a logical path forward, but it was a It was a fine question.
14:42:23 So just a little background on the Dnr carbon project.
14:42:27 I know that some of you have seen a presentation in the last couple of weeks about this, but Dnr's project, which is announced on April sixth.
14:42:36 Is this 10,000 acre project? The first phase is 2,500 ish acres and walk Watcom, Thurston King and Grace Harper counties, and those were largely timber sales that had a lot
14:42:48 of community support behind them. So place forests that had support behind them that were being marked up as timber sales that people didn't want to see harvested.
14:42:58 So the next 7,500 acres is yet to be determined.
14:43:03 And so that was one question I had. Can we be? Can we be face part of face?
14:43:08 2 with our 1,400 acres of older forests.
14:43:14 Briefly. what I heard Hillary say was, These will be, or maybe it was Chinka.
14:43:19 These will be carbon leases that provide consistent ongoing revenue, and I don't know the exact mechanism for how that would work.
14:43:28 But that would seem like if we were to do our own try, and if if we could be included in Dnr's phase, 2 that would be great.
14:43:38 But if not, if we have to ask for our forest to be reconciled and wanna come up with a plan, how do we that would be workshop number 2 or 3, the the least protocol?
14:43:53 Dnr's partner partnering with finite carbon
14:43:59 Their baseline was grounded in what they call realistic harvest variable.
14:44:04 So you know, not cutting everything down, but just kind of business, you know.
14:44:09 A regular business model for dnr and i've had a few conversation with conversations in the carbon market over the last month.
14:44:19 I have a few other and as as has Mary jean ryan who's been doing a ton of work alongside me on this with Carbon Trust out of Portland and other people, this this market is growing
so rapidly
14:44:33 that the time i've been doing this research the cost per metric time has gone up.
14:44:39 So things are changing, and it's becoming an increasingly biable solution.
14:44:48 Okay. So the carbon potential of Beaver Valley sorts.
14:44:53 And this was thanks to Mark Boyer who spent I don't know how many hours, hundreds of hours over the last 6 weeks.
14:45:04 Largely relying on the Tncs resilient land mapping tool.
14:45:11 The Beaver Valley timber sale without unit one is 68 acres.
14:45:18 The carbon level is easy. Metric tens. The carbon to intensity of beerbelley sorts is 271 tons per acre.
14:45:30 Compared to the average, which is 130 metric tens per acre.
14:45:34 So it's very rich and the carbon and if left to grow that you know over time is the trees grow the the level of carbon growth.
14:45:46 So that's where you get your a little bit of value over time.
14:45:49 You can get a big chunk of funding initially.
14:45:54 So if we were to pursue carbon offset funding now at $15 per metric 10
14:46:02 Beaver Valley would yield about $275,000, and then every 20 years, or so it would, it would yield an increment more based on the additional additionality.
14:46:15 The additional carbon contained. Can I ask about? These are complicated numbers?
14:46:25 , I know. So can I just make kind of follow up with what you said? to make sure i'm understanding correctly.
14:46:29 So 68 acres. The total carbon lay level, is 18,245 metric tons.
14:46:36 And remember when we were looking at the carbon offset project of Dnr.
14:46:40 Now they have to remove. There was like that total. It was, you know, 30% of the Lent.
14:46:45 The carbon is going to be left, and the ritarian setbacks and and the leaf trees and everything right.
14:46:50 So did you take 30% off the top when we start calculating this? how many metric tons we can remove.
14:46:58 Mary Jane, do you know, if Mark did that, I see you there?
14:47:03 We can go back to Mark and ask if he he kept any off. I don't think he had that love love information so.
14:47:13 But and yeah, I think these are. All of these, I think, Mark would say, are just.
14:47:18 We were trying to provide you just some Thank you, right.
14:47:24 And then we have 20% of the according to the calculations that we just learned from Cindy and Cindy that would stand in and carbon right, you know, would stay in wood the in
wood product is stored for.
14:47:37 You know a while as well, so i'm just trying to understand is that no you you want with any of this I mean.
14:47:45 I think heidi's. point. about another do another workshop on on the carbon calculations and the carbon market and the structures that are See, You know that people are using
right.
14:48:02 Now I I think that would. that would make the most sense.
14:48:06 The pricing as Heidi mentioned.
14:48:11 Like some. The range was huge. we saw metric ton pricing from $8 under certain circumstances to 30.
14:48:23 So it's just and like heidi said it. The market is really rapidly changing. So I think they're really the really strong project developer organizations that what the way they
like to begin is to do a
14:48:38 feasibility analysis. So they would do that with you, and they analyze really carefully
14:48:45 And they ground truth. And so you know that whole concept, greg of additionality is taken very seriously.
14:48:53 So all those things would be netted out.
14:48:57 But the thing that really struck me was just taken like the broad brush, was like How carbon intensive these forests are.
14:49:08 These older forests are really among the highest carbon sinks in the in the world, and they're really.
14:49:17 And so you should just you should fully. I think you should fully evaluate it.
14:49:22 And you know very carefully, Gotcha. Thank you, Mary Jean.
14:49:27 And and so just make sure I understand how you, the 276,000 here as a rough benchmark, is what with net.
14:49:37 The first year is the concept with maybe cut that in half, and then it would be the same sort of idea.
14:49:44 Subsequent years. Not that that that amount it. It would take a while to get additional carbon stored right.
14:49:54 , as the trees grow, so it would be, I mean largely like.
14:50:00 When you cut down a forest it takes a long time for it to grow back.
14:50:03 It's you know it's the overtime amount is not is not very much compared to there's some offset programs that do an offset every year, because you know if you lose it to fire
or what are the insurance if you
14:50:17 accidentally lose the carbon anyways. right right and that's like Dnr with their carbon program is looking at the lease model which is different.
14:50:26 So I mean, I think that's why I said there needs to be a a lot.
14:50:30 Deeper study of this, but what we wanted to get to was like a
14:50:38 The numbers the bullet numbers up there have been ground truths and ground truths and ground truths.
14:50:43 We I wanted to bring like a for that number of acres.
14:50:47 This is an app. This is a real estimate, Great. Thank you.
14:51:12 If we were to do this kind of a transaction with that entire acreage.
14:51:19 Okay, Okay, really close 17. Oh, this is just a repeat of that.
14:51:28 I think we're almost I think we're think we're there.
14:51:33 Yeah, that was it. What do you wanna look at the forest I don't know you wanna look at each other I'm gonna stop sharing
14:51:45 Okay, everyone turn on your cameras or whoever's purpose is willing to do that.
14:51:53 So I'd love to hear what questions people have i'd love to hear from Dnr.
14:52:01 Because they've been in the room on some of these conversations over the last month.
14:52:06 It within dnr about the carbon project and How's that moving forward.
14:52:14 It feels like all this stuff is happening all at once.
14:52:27 Well, heidi this is Dave. I I guess i'll start for Dnr by first planning human. You may know more about the carbon project than I do.
14:52:37 It happened so fast, internally that and it was it was fairly tight lip.
14:52:46 We're all we're all reeling and learning from it. To be honest with you, our ourselves, and and some of the estimation in the in the math that you had on your previous slide
just now is exactly what's going on
14:52:57 at Dnr and and I don't know if you heard the last board meeting, but there was there's a lot of questions and challenges.
14:53:07 People want to understand this this opportunity. A lot like what this meaning is all about is you're trying to understand what does it mean?
14:53:14 What are the potential, what's the option so it's a long-winning answer is the fact that I don't really have much to add or no insight to knowledge about the potential for those
markets and and and what the future
14:53:28 looks like as as this moves forward. What I do know is that there is incredible amount of energy and passion behind this, and we are only just a tip of the iceberg.
14:53:40 A a as this move forward and i'll i'll yield to Drew, and see if he has any more insight than I do.
14:53:50 I can't add a whole lot to that I know it's a huge learning curve.
14:53:55 And dave's right there's a lot of passion behind it a lot of scrambling to learn and figure this thing out from the region standpoint.
14:54:05 They've asked us to look and start identifying potential areas and So I'm working on that right now with a due date around the end of the month.
14:54:17 So i'm just scanning our gis and looking for those areas.
14:54:22 And they gave us a list of criteria like the legacy forest.
14:54:27 The old forest that's operable that sort of thing to look at and identify.
14:54:33 And then I'm gonna plug it into a shape file that goes into Olympia and they'll take it from there.
14:54:38 So I we're meeting every couple of weeks to talk about it.
14:54:46 And there's just a lot of learning curve to it it's It's a very new thing, and here it is, and we're jumping on it. so that's all I know so far that follow up the question I
14:54:57 I guess this is probably for drew but or dave if it's appropriate, you know I I think that we've expressed interest in this kind of model here you know before with the letter,
and and i'll read
14:55:08 reiterate my interest for this month. This model does local.
14:55:13 I guess the political temperature in different counties is that one of the criteria that you're considering in in these calculations.
14:55:22 For me, for right now i'm just picking out available lands that would fit the market.
14:55:30 Gotcha. Thank you. I I would speculate that the political environment, the local flavor, if you will.
14:55:43 The the intent would, I think, have to bear some consequence on the selection of the next 7,500 acres.
14:55:53 For sure as as it did for the first 2,500 acres
14:56:03 For dnr if we could go back unless we wanna stick with the the new carbon initiative.
14:56:09 No, no, I mean this is this: is an open for for questions cause there's so so much learning happening right now.
14:56:17 Great. Okay, i'm i'm curious the about like I said before, kind of the the feasibility of reconciliation.
14:56:26 The oldest forest. I mean I assume that that changes the value proposition for Dnr right.
14:56:34 I mean it's kind of cherry picking the most valuable timber.
14:56:37 And so just any. Do you guys have any sense of how feasible that is, or how it would.
14:56:46 What! What do you think the agency would be open to it and to Would it change the way, then, that you would need to do business here?
14:56:54 So I will take that question. That is right down main street for me. how you didn't introduce me as such, but I am.
14:57:03 Actually she gave me a promotion in my in interaction.
14:57:05 She said I was division manager i'm only the assistant division manager. but but I am the my my area of expertise is the land transactions team, which includes would include
any reconvance
14:57:19 request. So So the question is, I understood it was, how how practical is it to to kind of cherry pick the the higher value, or or the older the The legacy for us, or the or
the structure a unique forest or whatever your nomenclature is
14:57:37 for for it depends on who the audience is. They all have the term for it.
14:57:43 Initially, I I would say it's it's really gonna be site dependent and sort of the circumstances around the shape and form and access, and and it's it's going to be really hard
to draw a cookie
14:57:59 cutter boundary around those stands that meet that criteria and have it.
14:58:05 Have it be meaningful and manageable to people on the ground, knowing in one footstep, they're in in on one side of the line, and then another step there on the other side of
the line, where where this
14:58:21 this different management regime would would take over so when when the county, when a county requests for a reconvenience it's usually for a specific use like it.
14:58:36 It is, it required, it has to be a park use, and and the Dnr.
14:58:40 Would, would probably approach any request towards a practical boundary line probably just squared off in a way that could be surveyed and be identified on the ground.
14:58:51 So it's a long answer to the your question is I'm.
14:58:54 A little bit skeptical that it would be very practical to take a a map similar to what Heidi should earlier, not with with those red polygons that represented the stands that
that met the criteria and could we cut
14:59:08 those out and reconvey them to the county ownership.
14:59:11 I would, I would think that we would really push to try to square that off into in a nice parcel of 40 acres or 80 acres, so that so that, it could they could be defined legally
and they could be
14:59:26 defined visually on the ground. I just just wanna let folks know that time ends are from Thursday counties.
14:59:36 The Commissioner down there just joined us, because he's he's been walking alongside on the same path, so I just thought he could benefit from being part of the conversation.
14:59:45 Thank you for let me sit in So did I answer your question.
14:59:53 Yes, you did, and I I I you know have we have seen we've run into similar challenges.
15:00:02 When you know things like no shooting areas where if you just need to be really clear when there's a different tenure, stewardship and that's that can be hard to do especially
in the middle of
15:00:13 the forest. Yeah, for dnrs for right across that boundary would be I'm assuming forest land that would be eligible for for more intensive management, and so where would of which
tree would our forest or hang the
15:00:29 boundary tag on and boy, that gets to be really sticky without that sort of certainty.
15:00:38 But if we were to be able to identify some key priority areas that maybe lent themselves to that kind of delineation, would dnr engage with us then on negotiation.
15:00:53 For Yes, yes, absolutely. and so so well i'll share next is just kind of a little bit of idea on on the way.
15:01:01 I understand the reconvenience request process to work I don't really know that Dnr has a real strong option to decline one it as as my interpretation of the law when I read
it is
15:01:19 that a county will make a request dnr will consider that request.
15:01:27 But there really isn't an option for the dnr to say no.
15:01:30 Yeah, what's what I think dnr would then engage in is is sort of a discussion like what I just opened up was, we would try to make it and do so in a way that it made sense for
both parties
15:01:44 operationally. Dnr. still needs to to be able to have road access if if it orphan some some other property as tributary to that site.
15:01:54 So. So we'd have to work through some of those practical land management notions to come to to agreed upon kind of target area, and then, once once the the Dnr.
15:02:10 Is satisfied that operationally it could, it could be dealt with in the county, was satisfied that that met the the what what it was they were concerned about looking to do.
15:02:21 Then it it needs, Then go to the board Natural resources with sort of the background information for them to to approve and and and and and and make it happen
15:02:36 Mary Jane, did I see your hand up? Do you have a question
15:02:43 It was answered. Thank you. Okay, okay. Any other questions around the room?
15:02:53 I I just wanted to I don't the notes for one of my slides.
15:02:58 I just wanted to let folks know that I and talking with Monty i'm just gonna characterize 4 of my conversations I had with affected counties, because I didn't do this earlier.
15:03:11 But alright affected Ted districts.
15:03:16 So in terms of monte and county roads they budget a consistent amount, but it's never consistent right, because the revenue fluctuates.
15:03:27 But he says he budgets about a 125,000 a year in revenue and
15:03:33 It really fluctuates. But that $125,000 does represent 2% of the public works budget.
15:03:41 And he said, You know that's 2 county roads guys or 2 pieces of equipment.
15:03:44 So it's important to me and conversations with Chimicum school district.
15:03:53 Both Scott and art as Scott said they don't really plan for it, because they never know how much is coming.
15:04:00 And our art basically confirmed that when I reached out to him, because he's been there for so many years. Haven't never really had like a consistent mindset about putting it
in their budget same same response from East Jefferson fire
15:04:18 and rescue they don't budget for it but any but any amount of important. the revenue coming is important, but they don't plan for it, or don't put it in their budget, because
they don't
15:04:29 know they count on it. and then I talked with Tam R.
15:04:35 Meredith of the library, and she said it is a larger portion of their budget.
15:04:39 It's 4% of their budget but it's still inconsistent. and she would much prefer a smaller, consistent amount of revenue that she could actually budget for because she just can't
budget for this
15:04:55 So those were the take home messages from the 4 longer conversations I had with each of those district managers.
15:05:06 So it's one device mostly on the lower end of that and in in consistent. and so they're not budgeting for it.
15:05:19 I did see on your first slide, though the the quilting school district in that same period got a 1,000,007, and I know their budget is somewhere between 6 and 7 million.
15:05:29 So, while i'm sure it's still inconsistent and I struggle to budget for it represents a larger percentage of by a quite a margin, and I just I for the sake of
15:05:42 what the time, I add, I just looked at Beaver Valley starts and the impacted districts
15:05:50 The time to deliberate now. By the way, Heidi, thank you so much, and all all the people here for all the work.
15:05:57 This is, I think, represents a tremendous amount of work, and it is more actual numbers that I have seen.
15:06:06 And you know, multiple carbon offset webinars and a bunch of other things.
15:06:10 So just really appreciate everyone's willingness to engage in this topic.
15:06:15 Oh, we don't wanna waste anyone's time Kate.
15:06:19 Yeah, Second second, the the thanks for the hard work here.
15:06:26 Do we know of any other counties that are attempting to manage for for carbon or other ecosystem service?
15:06:38 Payments the financial site. I did not find that I don't know Thai.
15:06:47 Are you thinking about that in Thurston County? the The revenue side of these?
15:06:53 I was, you know, a couple of steps back from where you were just trying to just trying to figure out the the financial puzzle and haven't quite gotten to that point of figuring
out.
15:07:05 Well, then, how would we manage the mitigating impacts or backfilling impacts, or just trying to figure out how big is the I mean kind of convinced of that of the importance.
15:07:16 And then trying to figure out how big of a question is this.
15:07:21 You know how big of a of an impact would these decisions have?
15:07:29 So
15:07:30 Not afraid to consider being the first to to do that.
15:07:35 I think we would need to do it in kind of a manageable scope.
15:07:38 But you know, if we could find a a few of the kind of prime lands and again draw draw clear boundaries around those and you know those that we think have the highest potential
for some marketable carbon that's you know i'm if we
15:07:56 could be the pilot project that that helps kind of establish those markets.
15:08:00 I could see working with someone like Ecot Trust, or you know, a nonprofit who has worked in that space before.
15:08:07 Mary Jane, we might ask Mary G. she had Congress lots of conversations with Climate Trust over the last month, and they're in Portland.
15:08:15 Yeah, that was that was all I was gonna say was just that.
15:08:20 I think if you are interested at all, I think they would be great to follow up with they.
15:08:27 The gentleman I talked to said that they had done some carbon offset transactions with counties, and that could be sort of interesting to look at.
15:08:36 I think. Yeah, Patricia, I see your hand up. Thanks.
15:08:45 I just wanted to underscore a little bit Commissioner dean's comment about ecosystem services.
15:08:55 So widening the aperture for the opportunities for filling in the financial gaps for ecosystem services as well as carbon as well as sort.
15:09:06 Of social cost of carbon environmental justice goals and strategies that major entities in the country are trying to figure out just now.
15:09:17 So i'm really happy, and understand that has to be maybe workshop for and 5.
15:09:23 But there are other other places to go with that and
15:09:28 One question that I have is the timing of and I guess it's answered by that the these the institutions junior taxing districts in schools don't budget for it.
15:09:41 So whenever it gets there, it's fine my concern living in cool scene, whose family, home and parents have both been saved by quilting fire and rescue is as a resident the timing
of being sure that we get the
15:09:55 money to the people or the institutions when they need it.
15:10:00 So for me That's a part of the puzzle How do you think it's answered in they don't budget for it whenever they get it?
15:10:08 They're happy for it. and need it well we should ask those districts. That question right, cause we we didn't I did not ask cocaine's.
15:10:19 Fire was in school. This question I only focused on the districts impacted by this timber sale.
15:10:26 Cause That's where this all started. Okay, real quick, yeah Oh, just to clarify Heidi when you talk about the
15:10:39 The numbers from the different junior taxing district that's a total amount they get from timber revenue, right.
15:10:44 That's not that's not the portion that would be affected by, you know, setting aside the structurally complex, I mean, it'd be a small fraction of those numbers that you gave
right that we're talking about are
15:10:59 you talking about the spread, the spreadsheet with the the lots of numbers, all the junior taxing districts that was that was representing the revenue from State Forest Transfer
Trust lands over the last 5 years.
15:11:14 Those. I think it was like 20 junior taxing districts, and then the the closer look at Beaver Valley source was just the specific junior taxing districts that follow within
the 2, 3 one tax code that would be affected by that one
15:11:29 timber sale, and the revenue that each of those districts would get from that one timber sale if it came in at 2.7 million dollars, which was the amount that was on the Was
it the harvest planning i'm looking
15:11:44 at Dave and drew on the zoom screen. The harvest plan, the document that I had that had all of the board feed and the amounts that were projected that was probably the minimum
bid for fraction public oxygen was probably 2.7
15:12:02 1 million yep that's right that's where it came from
15:12:11 Any other questions, Stacey, I see your hand up so I know you've been focused on chimicum, and just because you said you you had an asked other districts.
15:12:25 I do need to give you a little bit more history on the Dnr Timber tax distribution.
15:12:30 So just to make clear that prior to 2016 they were not being distributed, and that was a treasurer.
15:12:41 Morris and Assessor Westerman decision for a period of time, and when I came in and Assessor Chapman became assessor.
15:12:53 It was one of his highest priorities was to distribute those funds again.
15:12:58 And so I can tell you that fire district 2 quill scene and the schools, and quite a large group from quilting.
15:13:08 We're very concerned that this revenue come in there were certain things revenue has been really light for quite a few years, and there was quite the agitation and concern that
we had stopped distributing it so I
15:13:25 would say that if you're going to do anything to affect the districts that you definitely work with them as stakeholders, Yeah, definitely.
15:13:36 So you see, yeah, you said that couple of weeks ago about them, not distributing those rabbits prior to 2,016.
15:13:46 You know how long that was for i'm sorry I don't. I'm not quite sure when it changed. I know. Assessor Chapman probably knows the numbers off the top of his head better than
I do okay.
15:14:02 We can ask Jeff, It was the timber, not of sale, was the document I was referring to, and my question was So how that list of timber sales being planned, How far in advance
do you get to the level of
15:14:19 deep detail that goes in a timber. notice of sale for those September sales that are on that list drew to you. Okay, Okay, So we're we're putting up our fiscal 23
15:14:38 sales now, and and would be how they'd be probably may or June of next year.
15:14:49 Timber sales is why they would actually go up for auction.
15:14:53 Okay, and that notice would go out so pretty much a year in advance.
15:15:00 Great and heidi not not to. I know this is gonna complicate things even more.
15:15:08 It you You need to be aware that when it's a a source sale there's a fundamental difference in the value at bidding.
15:15:19 Then, then, the value that that actually gets distributed to the beneficiary.
15:15:27 The difference between a sort sale and what Dnr calls a stumpage sale is that in a sort sale what their bidders are bidding on is the log delivered right to their mill and then
15:15:41 Dnr. has to pay for the harvesting.
15:15:44 The removal of the tree and delivering it to the to the to the mill.
15:15:48 So in those sales. The The dollar amount that you receive it did is a little kind of misleading.
15:15:59 It overestimates what the what the return to the beneficiary is.
15:16:03 So a higher percentage comes off more than 25% is that No, it's it's it's Well, I don't have to answer that question.
15:16:15 I want to say no, but but it sort of it sort of inflates the amount of value that will come to the trust beneficiary, because, let's just say you built you bid $100 per log
that we delivered
15:16:28 to you that $100 Dnr. is gonna detach gonna deduct the cost of delivering it to the the mill.
15:16:40 That might have cost $25 to deliver the harvest it, and deliver it to the mill That will leave $75 if you're tracking with me.
15:16:52 That is then distributed to between Dnr and the beneficiaries
15:17:10 Any other timber sale. it doesn't have that sort name in it.
15:17:13 The value. You see, is the value that the purchase has to pay for the for the tree standing in the forest, and that includes the costs.
15:17:26 Then he's already backed off the cost when he bids that his amount So if i'm a buyer of a timber sale, that's not a sort sale and I did $100, we'll take that
15:17:41 $100 and 25 will go to Dnr and 75 We'll go to the dress beneficiary.
15:17:49 Got it. Okay, So sort sales are a little bit you'll see some really astounding high numbers honest on on the bid.
15:17:59 Values for sort sales, sometimes 700 800 $900 per 1,000 board fee.
15:18:08 I see a typical stumpage value for that sale might be 400 or 300.
15:18:14 Okay, okay. So just just to follow. follow up on that real quick.
15:18:22 So is it for the Is it possible the county could get
15:18:27 Just some updated cost estimates for the Beaver Valley sorts.
15:18:36 That would help the county and its planning, and in terms of the impacts of you know what the likely revenue impact would be.
15:18:44 Yes, yes, first I would I would back away and determine if if we're looking at delivered value or a stumpage value, and and i'm i'm far enough removed from our timer sale program
and
15:18:58 and I don't i'm not looking at the notices sales that heidi's look at referring to.
15:19:04 I just just wanted to illustrate that. to be well educated you need need to know the difference between a sort sale and a stomach sale.
15:19:15 Your hand up. No, Part of the issue with this sale.
15:19:24 Is that we've started and stopped at multiple times which every time we do that.
15:19:31 We have to put out a notice what's it called Dave, or what we the notice for the contractor.
15:19:39 We have to hire a contractor and that's done a month ahead of time, and we've started and stopped out and pulled it several times, and each time we do that my staff has to go
in and completely rewrite
15:19:51 the contracts, and it has the it goes through appraisal again, and I'm not investing the money anymore.
15:19:58 So I just told it, pull it as a sort make it a long song, so that things are simplified and we can move forward that way.
15:20:10 So it's no longer a sort we haven't reappraised.
15:20:14 Yet, either, because we just don't know you know we're waiting for a decision.
15:20:19 So it it It was appraised and then it has to be reappraised because it's no longer a sort.
15:20:25 And then it goes back to the board as a record a decision on the appraisal.
15:20:32 And so that's they haven't they haven't done the appraisal yet, so as soon as I get a new appraisal, if we're moving forward i'll get that to the county, thank you so that 2.7
million dollars heidi is that
15:20:50 number is is likely going to change, and but the the good news is the number that you get from Drew will be much more straightforward to you, and that whole explanation.
15:21:02 I just spend 10Â min or 5Â min giving you doesn't apply. Okay.
15:21:09 I for one, though we'll still thank you for that explanation, Dave, for the other items.
15:21:13 Yeah, no, I appreciate knowing that. I mean it makes sense.
15:21:20 That man, Mary Jean, I see your hand up. yeah.
15:21:23 Great do you? Drew, or or Dave?
15:21:28 Do you have a sense of the timing of the phase 2 dnr's face to carbon reserve and I I guess i'm just asking just because when you look at the counties options right now you
15:21:42 know, you've got a new tt, or However, you guys think about it.
15:21:46 A revitalized trustline transfer program hopefully we'll be available.
15:21:52 Starting in 2023. We had hoped to use that extensively for the next
15:21:59 Debbie natural area expansion which is you know is kind of tied up in what you're now calling the co coil leftovers.
15:22:08 But then there's the reconciliation that the county might want to consider for the Lexie Forest.
15:22:18 But there's also your second phase of the carbon reserve.
15:22:22 So these things all have some interplay, you know.
15:22:26 If the goal, if the county's goal is to try and you know, try to preserve as much of the legacy forest as it can with is least you know negative impact to junior taxing districts,
they've got several
15:22:43 options here, so a sense of timing and and and the ability to work closely with you to figure I mean I i'll shut up, I anyway.
15:22:54 But i'm , I just to make i'm the more I've learned, the more excited I am about the viability of these options.
15:23:01 They need more work, but it seems like there could be some real wind winds here.
15:23:08 If people, if we can really work, keep going and work together.
15:23:13 Yeah, I know my part of phase. 2 is do. at the end of the month.
15:23:19 I have to have it in before memorial day we can I know there's a lot of energy behind it, but I I don't know beyond that.
15:23:27 And so my part of phase 2 is just to identify it.
15:23:32 Lands, and then it goes into It'll go into a R.
15:23:40 Few shape file at the state level or the Olympia level, and then where they take it from their atmosphere.
15:23:44 But I know that they are working quickly on it. So I think things are gonna happen fast.
15:23:49 But I don't know the timeline Drew.
15:23:55 Do you have criteria that you're using to identify those lands like like trees over ex feet tall trees over X years old?
15:24:03 How are you defining the shapes on your shape?
15:24:07 File. Oh, hike, lodge, or high conservation value special ecological features.
15:24:16 Stands with like the old forest the well I wouldn't be old growth, because those are set aside.
15:24:24 But anything unique. So i'm looking at not just old forests. but things like plans that that have plant community and of lands that are adjacent to natural areas that that sort
of thing the pre 1,900
15:24:43 stands that are operable areas that, could be harvesting on or near potentially unstable slopes.
15:24:53 So We've got a whole list of stuff to go through and and I've gone through and kind of doing a gross net type thing.
15:25:02 I've identified several 1,000 acres and now i'm going back in, and fine tuning it, and the other part of that is, since since our models elise it would have to meet the statute
of frauds
15:25:17 so we have to have identifiable boundaries property lines, roads, rights of way, they said.
15:25:24 We can go down to using streams it's not preferred but that that would be another way. So i'm kind of going back through right now and trying to identify Okay, this this whole
block looks like a good one or this half of it
15:25:38 looks good. But how am I gonna identify this whole block?
15:25:44 You know, in a way that it could could be put on release So I'm working on that part Now i'm hoping while I have to have it done the end of the week my photographers leaving
me in a week so to go on vacation I have to have it
15:25:58 to him for So he can go on vacation but that's the kind that's what we're looking at, though, is anything that's unique.
15:26:05 Anything that has a a different higher value we'll we'll put those in thanks for sharing that, and can I ask one other question to Drew and Dave about reconciliation. I think
the standard practices too, that we if
15:26:22 we ask for lands to be reconciled, we would have to compensate you for your sum costs.
15:26:29 Which so, for the Beaver Valley sorts is, I I believe you said, conservatively estimated at at $70,000, so that would to compensate Dnr for work or any time.
15:26:40 Right. So when we did silent alder both site link, we, we, we took one unit out of the sale to make that happen, and we we did ask for $30,000 back to cover our costs.
15:27:00 And at that time Jefferson paid us for that cost.
15:27:03 The The fortunate thing about a sort sale is all of them have a project code associated with them.
15:27:12 So we track costs a lot more carefully on those
15:27:16 So my conservative estimate was 70 grand things like my time. I don't charge to the project code generally.
15:27:27 My management forister doesn't necessarily use that I didn't talk to my survey crew, because they had to run lines in there.
15:27:34 So 70. I I think I If I dug deep I could push it to a 100,000.
15:27:39 But a good solid estimate is about 70,000. Into that sale
15:27:54 Okay, any other questions. Greg wants to. Greg wants to deliberate.
15:28:03 But I would like to get everyone's questions cause I don't want it.
15:28:07 I don't wanna have to call. dave and drew any more than we absolutely have to, cause I know that Dnr is strapped for time and people right now.
15:28:17 So I appreciate you guys spending the time with us today.
15:28:19 I know that our I think our quarterly review got postponed with you, Drew, cause I don't.
15:28:26 I don't know maybe you got some time back there but I don't wanna gobble up big chunks of everyone's time here.
15:28:34 So, Heidi, I just wanna remind you that I I sent Heidi a a presentation that was given to the Board, and that's resources.
15:28:42 Some years ago about the reconciled process it's a good 3,000 foot level overview of the process, and perhaps she can forward that on to those of you that are curious about
the process.
15:28:59 Any other
15:29:00 Any other questions for the good of the order in the room I'm.
15:29:06 I'm just curious. What when you say deliberate like, do we actually think that we're gonna make a decision today?
15:29:14 And is that just based on the the ordinary resources deferring a decision?
15:29:23 No, I think I mean a couple of things have so over the some some weeks ago was brought to my attention that they would hope to have an answer back from Jefferson County by the
first of June as to whether we wanted to
15:29:38 seek reconvance but I think we've just learned a lot more information about knowing exactly what it is.
15:29:45 We would, needing to have a broader conversation about what we would want to seek reinvance for.
15:29:51 But in in the Board of National Resources, April fifth.
15:29:56 Discussion, reconvenience was you know that's that's our option.
15:30:03 And so in doing all this analysis I was just trying to look at.
15:30:05 Are there? Are there options within reconvenience?
15:30:09 So I think I I feel like that. June first. timeline is would be hard 2 weeks out with a holiday in there.
15:30:22 So I I I mean I just think I wanna have a little conversation about next steps and the path forward at least with Kate and Greg.
15:30:30 This is we can't really talk other than here and you know What further questions do we have?
15:30:39 And then who wants to pick up which balls and carry him down the the football field?
15:30:46 Okay, , but I wanna make sure everyone's got their questions answered, or cause this was the first conversation we got to have about this together.
15:30:57 I mean I think we're also you know at least unintentionally holding Dnr up on the the Penny Creek sale, as well, you know.
15:31:05 So they've got you got balls moving there too, and I think that we need to.
15:31:09 If if we can. you know, identify a course that we wanna take pretty quickly.
15:31:15 So I I I feel like I I see a path that that is is the best compromise that I see right now.
15:31:25 So I mean i'd Love to have a high level conversation with the with the board, and and see where we are right now, so we can let everyone else go right.
15:31:38 Move everyone else out of the out of the zoom room and just bring it back to the 4 of us with Mark, 3 of us with Mark.
15:31:46 Thank you guys so much. I mean Mary. Jean has been working full time on this for a month, and Catherine halftime probably, and I mean so much work has gone into pulling this
all together.
15:31:56 But I I really marry you, and I both felt I mean Mary.
15:32:00 Jean has been my best buddy for the last 2 months.
15:32:03 Like Mary Jane help, just like I know who we can call.
15:32:06 And so I just wanted to get some real numbers to you guys, so that you know we were looking at at real stuff.
15:32:13 Not just you know pie in the sky. So anyway, appreciate all of the effort.
15:32:21 Stacy in the beginnings, spent a long time putting together all that junior taxing district data for us.
15:32:28 And and just this week, tie, and I started talking and that put wind in my sales, cause made me understand that a lot of people are asking these same questions right now, and
you know i'm sensitive to my dnr
15:32:41 colleagues, because i've been working with them for over a year.
15:32:43 On this whole trustland transfer proviso work group, and I mean, people are really showing up with their what their best head on, with all the questions that we have, and I
appreciate that hugely.
15:32:55 And we look forward to working with you guys forever. So drew Dave.
15:32:59 Thanks for being here today. Thank you all. Alright, bye bye, bye,
15:33:23 Carol. Oh, yeah, Thanks. Do it as quick as you can.
15:33:28 , Okay, we're back so that was a lot of information really fast.
15:33:37 It was really numbers in in. I think ideas that I i've had for a long time.
15:33:43 So I I mean it was really really constructive and helpful for me.
15:33:47 I don't wanna go first up by that I wanna hear what you guys think I I I will go for sure I just I'm.
15:33:53 I feel like we should make a decision soon. on Certainly if We're going to ask for deferment on Penny Creek, which we haven't done see for periods I'm Yeah, penny creek i'm
15:34:03 sorry penny wise. we have not asked them to defer the sale. and so, if we want to do that, we should do that and then what's our path to having an answer for dnr about fever
valley
15:34:22 as well. And I guess, yeah, I have. I have my ideas.
15:34:27 But i'm i'd love to you were where people are leaning right now.
15:34:33 Well, I just I, when I wrote the bullet of requesting the legacy forests reconciled, and still having dnr manage the other 13,000 plus acres that just sat right with me.
15:34:46 But I know that logistically, all those polygons of forest that would be complicated.
15:34:52 So I you know we're not gonna get one of their folks working half time on this project with us.
15:35:00 To figure out what error is. So I you know that that feels the best to me, because I feel like it protects the heritage that is at the core of the letter we wrote.
15:35:15 And and I also appreciate you know that most counties in the State are not on this path that we're on, and you know, need to depend on that revenue, and I don't know it feels
like we have an option
15:35:33 here in an opening, and it also feels like we have the collective energy for this.
15:35:38 Although kate's been sick for a week but she's coming back strong.
15:35:43 That you know I would like us to see us do something soon, and
15:35:53 Figure out the path forward. But I when Mary jean and I last talked last night, it was like this is just the start of this conversation, but there's also a need for us to make
a decision fairly quick.
15:36:05 So I could jump in so I well I guess i'm curious.
15:36:20 Your sense of urgency on it, Greg, is when you say you really want us to make the decision soon.
15:36:26 I'm Curious what drives that well i'm i'm just i'm conscious that every delay is is costing resources.
15:36:47 I mean. Drew talked a little bit about how constantly re-listing the sale is kind of hampers their process, and they do have a, you know, a 40 year kind of very complex planning
process that we have just kind
15:37:01 of up into the cart, and and it feels it. It feels like we should at least set the cart back up on its wheels, and I and so I I guess I feel an urgency to think about a direction.
15:37:15 And I I am really excited about the offset market doesn't look like It's ripe enough to compensate the trust.
15:37:23 I don't think it we have any way to compensate for that revenue right now.
15:37:27 I'm also really excited about dnr's carbon offset project.
15:37:31 So it's exciting to think that with that existing mosaic of of management.
15:37:38 As probably the most politically receptive county you know. that's a big timber county to that kind of a direction.
15:37:47 There is a way to you know, kind of maybe not identify all the 1,400 acres of older forest.
15:37:56 But at least say, hey, you know we're really interested in this model, and you're gonna get I am confident a larger the best return that we could get in that market is you know,
to put our 500 or 700,000
15:38:10 acres in with the 10,000 acres to really to to be a big player in the market.
15:38:17 So I guess I don't feel like we have the capacity to as a county.
15:38:23 I mean it's our one forrester can't do it our you know we've got lots of time to demonstrate the values we want to explore in forestry with our local lands, and I i'm really
15:38:37 in, encouraged by what we've done so far But the the revenues, you know, especially looking down at Penny Wise, and and you know those are these are the rural districts, as
Stacy said, do your taxing districts
15:38:52 I do rely more on that revenue, even if it is not as regular as any budgeting agency would want.
15:38:58 So I guess my inclination would be this to to really to let them Let them stop asking them to defer and let them, and let them proceed with both sales.
15:39:12 But say that these are to continue our conversation about options and exploring the the You know other ways to offset this revenue, you know, with ecological systems.
15:39:26 And and other things you know i'm afraid that if we reconvey.
15:39:35 It also reduces recreational opportunities in those plans because they're gonna stop maintaining the roads.
15:39:40 And and you know It's not just just not just cutting the trees down, you know, and we saw even in the earlier presentation from the Climate Action committee that dnr's management
is not the same as industrial
15:39:54 agriculture, forest management, right they're not they're not planting, mono crop tree farms.
15:40:01 They are really making an effort to replant forest and manage these forests with a very prescriptive model that we see changing in front of us.
15:40:10 So I guess i'm i'm i'm I Don't think we have a better course to locally manage 14,000 acres right? 1,404 to 12 4,000 14,000 I mean Yeah, both of those are on the table you know
the total
15:40:27 Stuff Forest Trust plans are our fifth but you know yeah I don't think we have the capacity to manage either
15:40:41 So I I do. I I agree that we don't have the capacity to manage large tracks of land, and for a lot of the same reasons that Greg just mentioned.
15:40:53 I think we we could deal with a lot of attractive nuisance issues. and knowing, you know, people know that it's cutting on land and dumping liability. also.
15:41:15 Yeah, Yeah. So I I do have some concerns about doing that on a large scale. I do think we have an interesting opportunity right now.
15:41:17 And with having the political will both at the local level. and at the state level to create and try something new.
15:41:23 But I don't think we know yet what that is or even questions are that we need to answer before we can decide on that.
15:41:31 You know what kind of staffing would we need to to take on a project?
15:41:37 What I mean there's just so many you know we're really newbies to all of this even even with the you know, pretty extensive history.
15:41:46 Some of us have been working in this space it's there's a lot of unknowns.
15:41:51 I am certainly willing to dip our toe in it.
15:41:55 The the timing in terms of these 2 sales, I think, is is the pressing question right now?
15:42:02 And you know I I I guess i'd be interested in digging a little deeper into the analysis that was done on the legacy forests. you know.
15:42:15 Could we identify a couple of of large plots of legacy forest, and and propose a reconciliation and a pilot project?
15:42:25 Of managing that for carbon sales I don't know that the best parcels for that are in this sale, or if it's in some of the other forests, I I think that should I would say right
15:42:40 now, and what I know that that should drive that decision, finding some large chunks of land that could you know whether it's through the size of them, or the location of them,
or the quality of the forest, or you know something find some
15:42:58 criteria, or it makes sense to identify, you know, 200 acres, 400 acres, something to to kind of get us in the the game a little bit, and and try working with couple of pieces
of land and start you know talking
15:43:16 with the folks who who do carbon sales and you know getting some sense of what's the i'm sure there's a threshold of scale that is really important.
15:43:26 There. I mean i'm i'm i'm interested in in pursuing that I think we're gonna it's a good time to do it.
15:43:35 We're not in a fiscal crunch right now.
15:43:39 We have a little bit of wiggle room. I think our constituents would want us to be and so I guess that's my My question.
15:43:51 Is, Do we have some some chunks of land that would lend themselves to doing a pilot project and get more information?
15:43:59 I'm sure we do and I think that we could you know. task the coalition that I just built to do all this prep.
15:44:11 Work with us I mean everywhere, i'll fired up now you know half time on this for the last 6 weeks, and so a lot of knowledge is then gained, and I I think with Dnr with Dave
and and Drew
15:44:26 and and Mary, Jean and Katherine I mean those are the ones who have been most ear to the ground.
15:44:33 Tracks of land and timber sales. I think that we could definitely put together.
15:44:43 Oh, Wendy? description of what we're looking for you know or or ask for folks to come back with like what's the sweet spot?
15:44:53 And then initial reconvenience I mean i'm the eternal optimist in the room.
15:44:59 But Dnr. saying, you know they Can't follow all the squiggly lines of the Polygons. I get that
15:45:06 But what could we do? That would make sense that we get as close to maybe a 1,000 acres, because that would be enough value in the carbon market to attract Myers, and maybe
maybe a first step is to have climate trust once we
15:45:21 identify some lands have climate trust, Do a feasibility on those just to see what they come back with.
15:45:28 Because that's what they do for a living you know and and I know that was that was the next step that Mary Jean was hoping that we would consider is identifying some some of
these State force transfer lands to have climate
15:45:42 trust to a feasibility. assessment. of I don't know how long that would take.
15:45:48 But i'm happy to continue. burdoging these follow up tasks. I'm working with Mary Jean on it. And, Catherine, I guess the question is, you know, we do that with these sales
that are already planned
15:46:04 to have, you know, I mean came abruptly for sure, but also, you know, are in process, or do we look, you know, 5 years ahead, in the in the harvest, in the harvest schedule,
and say hey?
15:46:19 Hold off on doing anything on these properties so we're not we're not, you know, throwing a work way working with the already been done.
15:46:28 Have the paying for it. Oh, that's a good question well, that's .
15:46:34 I think that that analysis and of of what parcels lend themselves to this best.
15:46:43 I think that I see that as as a next step.
15:46:48 And you know I mean, if we have a couple of weeks that are doing that at a high level, sure, why not throw those 2 in?
15:46:55 If you know, if it, if those have the most value carbon value and are fairly easy to square off and identify a polygons, maybe, you know.
15:47:10 But but just getting more information to make that decision. We Haven't asked them to defer anyways.
15:47:17 We have asked them to do anything. the sale would just go forward if we don't take a proactive stance on something.
15:47:23 I'm sharing this list again. do you see it you zoom in a little bit?
15:47:29 Yeah,
15:47:41 Getting bigger. Maybe you have to hit. Okay, is that better? Yup. I mean like looking at Senator Center thinning that has, you know what? 1,100 1,200 acres in it in 2,027 but
only 83 of those acres are
15:48:03 legacy, forest or older forests, Gotcha and legacy in the sale.
15:48:14 Any wise is the biggest. Oh, no, like Cracker sports, Skitter Lane as well
15:48:28 Oh, yeah,
15:48:31 Well, and there might be legacy for us to in those
15:48:38 What do they call them? the areas that aren't included in the sale, too, that could potentially be wrapped in to a carbon.
15:48:52 So one thing with one thing to reflect on here is that this list is about 1,200 acres of the Legacy Forest and Jefferson County on this timber sale list and the total acreage.
15:49:05 Any difference in county was 1,400 acres on State Forest Transfer Trust plans.
15:49:12 So this is most of it right here. These yellow sales, our scheduled for harvest in the next 5 years. Yeah.
15:49:21 So the years are right. 2020, you know. 3 years are there?
15:49:25 Yeah, this is not Dnr: analysis of course this is Steve crops analysis, right?
15:49:34 But it's dns, timber sales timber sales plan
15:49:42 Hmm! So there's not big chunks that would be easily carved off.
15:49:52 No 100 acres at a time to man going back to the map of these defer.
15:50:04 Let's see hmm
15:50:11 Last side show this one that's not the legacy for us though, is it?
15:50:16 Do we Do we have a Yeah, we do let's see, let me let me start from slide.
15:50:24 Okay, let's see
15:50:29 There you zoom in
15:50:43 That's most of it
15:50:49 And that what is you see? do you mind scrolling down to the
15:50:59 What's that called? I think my brain is not quite working quite right, legend.
15:51:05 That's the word So protect it because i'm i'm interested in the protected legacy for us 2, because that could help us get to a viable academy of scale.
15:51:18 So a lot of those are the around Dave Ab. the green and darker brown around day Bob.
15:51:24 Okay, and there's a little bit out here, that's, and not necessarily near the red there's some brown and red touching there in the upper left corner here us I I scrolled in
additionally yeah, up to
15:51:46 the west of the Miller Peninsula is that little protected right?
15:51:54 ? How do you a teeny? chunk Hmm.
15:52:02 Yeah, I mean so so like that's the disco sort so that that wasn't was that on the so like i'm thinking, Are there?
15:52:10 Are there units that are like disco sorts there that have a lot of red in them.
15:52:18 This go sorts
15:52:25 It's all legacy. the sales 100% legacy for us.
15:52:33 Yeah, so that could be a good one. cause there's a lot of red, and that disco sorts polygon or unit
15:52:51 And you know I there's also all all the the forests that aren't legacy for us that will be in a period of time. right?
15:52:58 I mean I don't know kind of where they drew the line, so you know.
15:53:06 Can you go back to the Well, you're not doing total map of East Jeff.
15:53:12 Yeah.
15:53:23 Yeah, and can you zoom in on that that's probably it's not very high resolution.
15:53:44 But no,
15:53:45 Yeah, it's really striking how much of the state forest transfer trust is in.
15:53:53 He's Jefferson, I mean what maybe the the the the lands that I mean.
15:54:00 These are all kind of They were all sold to big temper companies, and on the on the East side.
15:54:08 They were all repossessed for tax nonpayment right cause they're probably not as speculating Yeah,
15:54:21 But like in terms of reconciliation, like I, I could see wanting to like it.
15:54:28 So these I think I think those are units no what's the light white, Brown, all State trust lands in our trust lands.
15:54:41 Like, so let's look at that disco sorts in the upper left there like I mean, I would think we would want to take on a you like say something like all that brown shading.
15:54:52 So look part of that in cleveland county no yeah I don't.
15:54:57 I don't think you're not gonna wanna dance with us on this one, and I I don't know that we command is necessarily the right path.
15:55:06 I mean. maybe it's you know look at these sales 5 years away, and really consider us for the carbon offset project.
15:55:11 I mean. Do you think we can manage carbon sales better than Dr.
15:55:21 Unlikely. Well, they're they're just figuring it out too, with the staff of how many?
15:55:30 Oh, yes, I mean that I sent a question to change. Their main person is doing this, for your name is Chinka.
15:55:36 Mary, Jean is met her, but i'd like to have a conversation with her.
15:55:42 Wait in terms of revenue. You know we we could potentially stand to gain more revenue except Wood Staffing ate that up right if we did it ourselves.
15:56:00 Yeah, and we'd also regardless of how it was going I mean we've talked about the need to still manage the line the land right?
15:56:07 It's not just about locking. it up forever because then you're not creating a resilient forest, I mean, you know, natural ecosystems are great. but there's going to be a fire
we you know
15:56:17 every 100 years or 50 years here, so I mean we're not exactly completely.
15:56:22 Hands off. So I guess I just feel like that would be a lot to take on, and we can still get our toes wet with our own communities, community forestry projects, and and you know,
maybe look at the quicker lost wilderness and and or
15:56:38 some other county own property that we can start exploring the markets by components.
15:56:45 Our community forestry project with carbon offense so that's. I I think, where it starts to make sense is where you're you're layering different revenue sources on top of each
other.
15:56:55 So you still, you know, maybe we've got the clt market that cross line of timber market gets developed. So there's a better pulp market, essentially, and we combine that with
building the resilience and selling carbon credits so
15:57:08 we're getting a little bit of of revenue from a couple of places, and just kind of building a model, instead of taking the management of these public lands from Dnr.
15:57:18 That, you know, has been managing them, you know, like the staff that we have, has been managing these lands for 40 years.
15:57:26 I just i'm skeptical. that we can improve the management, and I think we can still drive the conversation about values with the carbon offset project.
15:57:41 I'm curious Greg. Why, what what your understanding is that they that Dnr manages better than in the industrial model, and I'm, I I say, this having occurred from foresters
that some of the worst practices they
15:57:58 see, are dnr that it's their industrial and you know spray a time, and the even in that the greenhouse guest and forestry greenhouse gases at inventory Angus Broo even admitted
15:58:15 that the the reason their numbers look better is because they have so much in the natural reserve, that it's it's all about having be a bunch of land that's off limits, but
they can't touch makes
15:58:26 their numbers look a lot better. But the so i'm curious if you know about their you know reforestation or management that is different than I mean I I guess I may have taken
bad information away from the earlier presentation.
15:58:43 When I asked Cindy about that. That might be just, you know, encumbered land from habitat, you know.
15:58:50 Hcp. and and all that regardless that's still half of their land is in conservation on automatically right?
15:58:56 So that is, regardless of the reason behind it it's very different than the way private land is managed.
15:59:03 So I would say that is actually a positive and then i've I've walked, I mean I live near you know some commercial forestry land, and I walked through it I don't walk through
it when they're
15:59:16 spraying i'm not a big fan of spraying either.
15:59:19 They don't you know dnr doesn't aerial spray on our land.
15:59:22 They do so. But walking through the replanted areas near Beaver Valley, I saw, and I asked about this with when I was walking with Drew and Brian. the the the different types
of trees.
15:59:40 They plant. So they plant cedar, which no commercial forest or will plant, and they plant fine, and they planned 3 to create.
15:59:47 You know. resilience in case one fails, you know.
15:59:49 Fine might get rust, and you know not gonna plant for where there's laminated root rot.
15:59:57 So they're managing with the prescriptions of Dnr's policies rather than with the prescriptions of the Forest Practice act or forest practice whatever that is so I feel like
there's a fund different
16:00:13 fundamental management philosophy with Dnr. though they are still managing for revenue right. We can also manage for carbon retention.
16:00:23 I'm not convinced that and I I still haven't seen today that you know what the 100 years where you where you clear cut, and then plant again what that you sequester more carbon
with younger forests you store more carbon with
16:00:39 older forests, where the sweet spot is I think is something that we're still discovering.
16:00:52 You know one of the comments one of the guys I was walking with last week said, you know, when they were coming out of school, you know they spent their summers working with
foresters cleaned out all the creeks from all the
16:01:03 fallen trees around logging operations, and you know, soon as they got into the the Dnr.
16:01:14 They they were doing just the opposite, so I think they they see kind of and another 2 polite professional to talk about it public session.
16:01:25 But they probably see this as kind of slab which I can't remember the the same.
16:01:36 But you know, applying our values to systems and maybe a little bit of hubris in thinking that we can kind of predict the way that we're going to store the most carbon, and
I I i'm skept or
16:01:51 i'm just I I haven't seen any data that gives me certainty that managing this in a different way will give us substantially better.
16:02:07 Outcomes, you know. I talked a lot with withdrew.
16:02:10 When I was walking with them, too, about the substantial money they spend on on keeping the roads up, you know, and and that's that's a real cost, and we know with the forest
service right now where they've pretty much had
16:02:21 a hands off. I mean they're going to state rco for road management funds and and applying for free competitive grants.
16:02:31 To just keep the roads clear and that's a you know it builds fire breaks, you know.
16:02:38 I mean there's lots of reasons that we want roads in these kind of more managed areas.
16:02:44 So if it goes all the wilderness it means you can't get fire trucks in, so it's you know it's it's just such a complicated question.
16:02:52 I i'm skeptical that our values give us the right answers automatically.
16:03:04 Hi I don't think that that's What I mean that's, not what we're saying that we have the right answers.
16:03:12 We're saying we need to get to the right answers we're saying that maybe the best answer is for Dnr to include us, and pays 2 of their carbon pilot because we have all these
gold.
16:03:23 Trees that are like gold. and in jefferson county I mean, I don't think we're we're assuming we know what's better, but I think we what we're responding to was that these trees
16:03:39 were going to be cut. They were going to be option and cut down the summer, and i'm in the industrial model, I mean.
16:03:47 Yeah, we could. If we were doing something, it would be managing very differently than a clear cut, which is at least based on this timber.
16:03:56 Notice the timber sale you know so that's what we were responding to when we sent that letter is that we, we wanna think differently about our forests, and I think we've that
the shot across the bow that
16:04:11 that letter was was heard, and i'm not changing my values in in, and saying we should let them proceed with these sales.
16:04:20 I'm saying, I don't think that we have the knowledge yet to bulk on these these plans that there are still 1,200 acres of legacy force that we can look to and that we should
be more
16:04:37 proactive rather than reactive to things that are already moving on the ground.
16:04:43 I guess so. you're proposing that we let them go ahead with Beaver Valley sorts, and penny wise and request.
16:04:52 Consider reconvenience of everything, maybe from 2024 on.
16:04:58 Is that what i'm hearing you no that's not i'm. just trying to align what you're saying with what we're actually talking about in terms of the actions we need to take so we
can
16:05:08 come to the end of this conversation with next steps and I Don't I don't need to come to a decision today.
16:05:14 I think, about these 2 sales which come to a decision soon.
16:05:17 But if I was gonna say what I think we should do as simply as possible, as we should not ask them to defer any wise because we haven't yet.
16:05:26 But they are kind of waiting for us. We should let them proceed with
16:05:30 Beaver Valley. We should pursue this line of analysis that we've been doing with our own lands as we've we've already funded expanding our community forestry project.
16:05:42 So we should explore that the you know answer ancillary markets for apartment sequestration and storage and ecosystems, and anything else with the plans that we already manage
or should be managing we haven't been
16:05:59 managing right, and that we say, Hey, we are really interested in this carbon offset project. We would love for some of our older forests to be considered for the carbon offset
project.
16:06:14 And so we can have our own path to finding carbon offsets, and also leverage the resources of Dnr.
16:06:23 To explore this new market at the same time
16:06:35 Okay, I'm. i'm still interested in in trying to get a better handle on How?
16:06:42 How did these, compared to the other legacy forests?
16:06:47 If if somebody were to say, You know this is this is the these are the prime units.
16:06:54 And you know this, this is a real opportunity. I I might I I could be.
16:07:03 I could be convinced with your your route there greg I think there's you know this is gonna be a very slow process.
16:07:11 It's gonna take us years to set anything up so if you know, if there are other units that are just as valuable, and we wouldn't have to pay for work twice.
16:07:24 I think there's a lot to be said for that but I I don't know how these compared to some of the other legacy for us units that have been identified, and so I I guess i'd be interested.
16:07:35 To hear if if the work group is willing to devote some more time to digging a little deeper and identifying the really primo units, and and that I think that would be based
on criteria like size, you know
16:07:54 the, I think, looking for a again, if we were to be to consider some reconvenience looking for sites that are adjacent to county on land, say, or to parks
16:08:11 And do we Do We know the limitations on on we conveyance.
16:08:17 I heard them say it has to go to parks but we'd be allowed to do carbon sales. like, Can you?
16:08:22 Can you manage for multiple benefits still Can you do some harvest for me, for forest health?
16:08:30 ? yeah, they do. They're doing them kits up Okay.
16:08:34 So I I think just getting getting more more data and trying to identify what the what the prime areas might be for for reconvenience.
16:08:43 And if if be really sorts and penny wiser among them, then that changes our direction.
16:08:49 But I don't know howidi do you think that's a realistic ask in the next couple of weeks from the work group of I think it's already been done largely I mean that this one page
where we looked
16:09:04 at the acres of like a legacy forest in each sale, and the total 1 million board feet and each sale, I mean, that works been done so.
16:09:15 Is it just prioritizing like saying, of these? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 1011, 12 timber sales, which ones are the highest priority in terms of carbon?
16:09:28 Yeah wouldn't that be by board feet a 1 million board feet I don't know nothing.
16:09:35 Seems simple with carbon. Well, we kind of have to. We have to.
16:09:41 We have to get there with it. you know and I maybe it's, cause I've been in this conversation for a month, but we need to look at the information we have and be able to use
use this information to make decisions based on what
16:09:54 we know now, because this is really a lot, of work has gone into it, and we've got the best information largely that we're going to be able to get right.
16:10:03 So maybe we need to sort it differently or I don't know
16:10:10 Yeah, I will yeah, yeah, it'd be interesting to to see you know.
16:10:16 I mean again, there's nobody can come to agreement on how how to measure carbon in a forest.
16:10:22 It seems there's 12 different you know models that are each little bit different.
16:10:29 But you know age class diversity I you know I i'm not saying It's gonna be a easy analysis to do.
16:10:39 But I think if we kind of identified what some of those priorities are location kind of ease of of county's ability to manage. Sit in the middle of nowhere hard to access
16:10:51 I don't know I just like the I haven't seen enough detail yet to even be able to really weigh in on.
16:10:57 But are any of them adjoining other county properties?
16:10:59 Yeah stuff like that. But that's the one new that's the one new metric that we haven't looked at.
16:11:08 I mean, I I know that age class. and size of trees and size of the acreage. I mean all those things were looked at in the mapping project. Okay, how about this is that as a
compromise kind of compromise I
16:11:27 don't know I mean We have not asked them to defer the anyway sale, and they're only differing that be rebellious source until the July auction and it's now a completely different
timber sales what
16:11:40 we just heard from Drew. I I guess I would propose that we you know we're doing the work on be recreate.
16:11:51 We've done that a lot of it already and
16:12:01 You know we have and tell june first they said they'd like, you know, an answer by so it gives us, you know, 2 2 meetings and 3 weeks to to get to plan and it's only going to
be made you
16:12:19 know twice as complicated if we're doing that with penny wise, too, and that is not something we have asked them to defer you.
16:12:26 So maybe just work on. be revally sorts and let Penny wise proceed as it is scheduled to.
16:12:33 I mean There's another couple of pieces of work happening right now is is Drews work to identify high value forests right in the Olympic region.
16:12:48 Yeah. to ask that we be considered that that work will be a lot more information, cause then we'll know more of where they're looking in the Olympic region potentially.
16:13:02 I think sending a letter saying we're interested in being part of considered to being part of the phase.
16:13:09 2 of the carbon project would be good from all of 3 of us, and that we would like to know
16:13:15 The details of the redesigned beaver valley source sale, because all of the calculations we did were based on that 2.7 million you know, and and it sounds like it's gonna be
a lot less Now, price and wood keeps going up to them so i'm not sure if
16:13:31 it's
16:13:36 But, you know, do we want to do that on? and Penny wise, too?
16:13:39 If we start bulking there that's going to revise the estimate, you know, every time they redo it so new, Sam. right?
16:13:48 Yeah, it just has that big polygon of yeah hold your phone question gives me a headache.
16:14:00 I just can't we can't come up with anything that that supports are doing your taxing districts in the way, and I I just I mean I know if we can ask we'll seen school.
16:14:11 District and Quilsy and Fire district, but it represents a much larger percentage of their budget than both a smaller fire district and a follower.
16:14:20 Smaller school in in logging country. and I I just hi I mean that's We've we've struggled with this since I've been here.
16:14:29 I know Kate struggle with it before you know I mean I I I don't support clear cutting as as as the best way extraction, but I do live in a wood house, you know, and we have
massive construction, going on
16:14:41 throughout our county. so it's you know I don't want I don't know.
16:14:48 I don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
16:14:49 I just I just feel like we don't have enough information to stop 2 sales, you know. we we've got one stopped already, and I think doing our research on that to come up with
our best app forward is will be very
16:15:03 instructive, and you've already delayed it so they can just not do that one, but let that the other go forward
16:15:14 Well, I know I I feel like this is your district, greg and I really defer to your grounding, and but it's it's also, as long as we're committed to the larger conversation going
forward because I feel like we have such
16:15:28 an opportunity and no, I agree with the larger conversation I think we're of one of one mind in the direction that we need to go, and we need to be responsive to a changing
climate and and build resiliency.
16:15:42 But these are complicated systems that you know we don't we don't really have clear data yet, as far as I can see the unintended consequences over a 100 years and that's where
we're talking 100 years not 5 years
16:15:56 right, I would still pretty to get a a sense of the the quality, qualities, and and values of the Is it 10 or 12?
16:16:12 And sales. Yeah, yeah, and and before making a decision before foregoing.
16:16:23 The, or allowing to proceed those 2 sales i'd just like to get a little more information.
16:16:30 Wonder if we could ask the the work group to to present to us?
16:16:36 Maybe next week, on some ways of thinking about the the value of the the different units of legacy.
16:16:45 Forest. Yeah, I mean, I can ask. I cannot talk to Catherine.
16:16:53 And still still get to the June first to timeline Greg.
16:16:58 I I also I mean I I do know, wanna alienate or jeopardize our relationship with Dnr in this process.
16:17:06 I know they, you know they have. They hear from us.
16:17:09 We want more revenue, and hey, we want to protect.
16:17:13 You know this force in this course and this forest. I know they have felt a whiplash and working with us for the last many years.
16:17:20 But you know it's it's the system that is, that is broken, not not our our demands.
16:17:27 It's. it's pitting things against each other that shouldn't be so, penny wise is a farther out timber sales.
16:17:33 It's 23 timber sale on the list , They may be oxygening it sooner, but it's it's scheduled for 2020, 23, and the information I have so we need to
16:17:47 confirm that we may have more time with penny wise it's being Valley Source that was the june first.
16:17:56 Hmm. I don't. know . time I know I got a note from Drew, you know, after the Sepa was finished saying, Okay, so can we proceed.
16:18:04 So I think there is i'm not sure if it's the sale itself.
16:18:07 But something that would happen, probably before that june first deadline so I don't think that. but the June first was there was That was nothing to do with any wise.
16:18:18 When I said June first, that was a 100% about Beaver Valley sorts.
16:18:22 Well, in our last packet our quarterly report there was a timeline for upcoming sales.
16:18:31 What day was that? I think mark's just enjoying watching us?
16:18:39 Works awfully quiet today
16:18:49 Yeah, Mark, if you unmute it, you have something you wanna add to the conversation.
16:18:53 No I I mean this is all policy and you're the policy maker.
16:18:57 So I mean I have thoughts on the matter but i'm gonna hold on to them for a little bit
16:19:10 Trying to find our last quarterly report
16:19:18 It would be in a i'm looking for it too.
16:19:23 Yeah, maybe capture. but I can't remember when that was
16:19:34 Let's see i'll look on the calendar it wasn't long ago
16:19:51 No, I don't have it press
16:20:01 What is that voice again? Yeah, it was March 20 first
16:20:38 Trying to get there.
16:21:02 6, 1522 is the penny y sale
16:21:17 You guys hear that? Yeah, what 6 15 is the penny y sale is when it's going to auction sale date?
16:21:36 Yeah, as well as Bolton Rehab, which is also on that legacy for us list.
16:21:40 I believe
16:21:52 Okay, so it sounds like We're on a june June first timeline I mean, we we still Haven't told Dnr not to proceed.
16:22:02 I don't know what they're doing to get ready for the sale.
16:22:05 I I mean it's not like throw up table at flea market.
16:22:09 I don't think no
16:22:24 Which sale Is it sorry Penny's sort there's a bunch of pennies That's right?
16:22:33 How could I forget
16:22:38 It's. Funny it's not actually in our in that report it's on the revenue projections for 22.
16:22:47 I'll share my screen age. 6 alderwood down the next little 3 What's that?
16:22:57 That would be great. There you go. can you see?
16:23:00 That is that big enough? Yeah, this sales date says May.
16:23:07 20, fifth, another , 6, 6, 6, 15 yup.
16:23:17 Hmm: Okay. Hmm:
16:23:30 Okay, So did we decide that we wanted to try and do a quick assessment of the 12 sales and bring it back for next week?
16:23:40 Did I hear that that would be my preference. That is the information.
16:23:46 I am wanting people are making it just I i'd be happy with that.
16:23:54 But i'm also not really willing to make a proactive another letter to defer the sales they're planning on 6, 15 right now, unless we have different information than we have
now
16:24:09 Yeah, I I hear that. Hmm:
16:24:28 And we probably won't get all 12 sales because they're ones that are scheduled out farther down there won't be data about yet.
16:24:37 So. hmm! unless we can get it. Well, they got it.
16:24:42 They've got the map so
16:24:49 Yeah, and then what else? And it looks even on the 20 first Beaver Valley sorts had already been turned into a lump sale that wasn't done, and and response to our action.
16:25:01 I think, cause they pulled it and did it again Already
16:25:23 What about the idea of sending a letter to Dnr about being considered for phase?
16:25:28 2 of their carbon project i'm in favor of that I mean if we're coming back to this topic next week.
16:25:34 Maybe someone wants to take responsibility of getting a draft that we can all look at.
16:25:39 Yeah, I can do that
16:25:43 It's so funny when when we wrote this letter about April fourth was it?
16:25:48 Do you remember I came back to the session and said no I just said i'm like 10Â min it was such a I didn't.
16:25:56 I I would have probably spend a lot more time on it had I known the ripple effects it would have.
16:26:02 And yet maybe maybe it would have been less effective it would have been I I I do wanna reiterate, even though I'm kind of not agreeing with you guys on everything here that
I still the fundamental like the the tenor of the idea
16:26:19 I am on behind a 100%. I just were dealing with multiple needs, and I especially looking at the anyway.
16:26:27 Why I just you know then that will go. Junior passing districts especially really depend on that rhythm.
16:26:35 Yeah, and you know, Jeff Chapman brought up it.
16:26:39 Budget meeting. How districts in the westerns really rely on this, too, which is interesting, and looking at the different trust lands, I couldn't totally see how that's the
case.
16:26:50 But maybe we should try to get some more information from Jeff, too.
16:26:57 Was he invited today. Heidi yeah he said he didn't feel like he had anything to add which I disagreed with.
16:27:02 But
16:27:08 Oh, yeah, i'm getting the 5Â min warning anything so let's let's we're gonna i'm gonna talk to to Center for responsible for history about doing it.
16:27:27 Assessment of the 12 sales I will prepare a letter for next week about the carbon project to dnr
16:27:34 Anything else specific that we Wanna: do in the next week. Hmm: Nope: Okay.
16:27:48 Anything else for the good of the order that we need to share with each other.
16:27:50 This is the other agenda items portion of the agenda.
16:27:56 I have one thing I want to bring. There was a request from the Community Bill Project for us to participate.
16:28:10 I think I would i'd be happy to do it or you know Kate would be relevant to for a to having, so we don't miss characterized
16:28:28 Let's see. So they're coordinating a community outreach events for Thursday june thirtieth from 4 to 6.
16:28:38 They asked me to attend, and, if possible, for the county to be named as a co-sponsor.
16:28:44 The city is going to be involved. they've heard other co-sponsors are holy Cap Community bill housing solutions network like the Calendars people.
16:28:56 Preservation, alliance, habitat for humanity and Community boat project.
16:28:58 If asked Bayside and and Coast and interface to be connected.
16:29:03 And corresponding me means being willing to promote the under the tent talk.
16:29:09 If you have a list of people you want to reach out to showing up you know, and be part of the panel.
16:29:15 Basically you could table if you want to and then being able to stick around after the meeting, to just kind of address questions.
16:29:24 And that's that's pretty much it and consider hosting one of these events.
16:29:29 So I don't know if you guys are hesitant about us. co-sponsoring event that we're not driving.
16:29:36 That's really why I wanted to bring to you and see if there were any, any hesitations or questions you wanted answered before I I signed.
16:29:42 Is that? and You're planning on being there what was the date again.
16:29:46 Sorry June thirtieth from 4 to 6. I guess I should look at my account
16:29:56 I'm fine with if if you want to carry the ball on this. but that's sponsoring it. Okay, Not sure yet.
16:30:07 If i'm available to be there, but you are that's great, I can be there.
16:30:12 My calendar is free. will you? You have an idea to, I mean, I understand, ability to see the agenda, and just, you know.
16:30:23 Make sure that there's nothing to wacky and out of line with No, for sure i'll bring it back and and and and prove it with you guys before it gets finalized.
16:30:33 I think that's reasonable reasonable chat sounds good cool that's all I have anything from you Kate.
16:30:42 I don't think so. No, I gotta get my head back. in the game this week. one more one more thing I just I keep bringing up that. I feel like maybe it's taken care of.
16:30:56 But I feel like we do want to preserve people's the organization's abilities to do virtual meetings. So I don't know which emergency proclamation that came from but I feel like
that's
16:31:07 something that we should good think about it. In the next week or 2 we could talk about it in policy management group.
16:31:13 I I think our our local emergency. It still stands, I mean, cause we we refer to it continually, and our our ongoing updates.
16:31:24 So but mark, maybe you and I could Shepherd that , I do.
16:31:34 Think you're right, kate I think it's still in effect.
16:31:36 Okay, But is it dependent on the proclamation that's gonna end on June first?
16:31:43 I guess that's what I was concerned about so the one ending on June first is only the opm a one.
16:31:51 It's not the state of emergency the state emergency so but we should.
16:31:57 We should reference I don't yeah I can't remember, if there might be awareness that sites the States.
16:32:07 Oh, pm order, but I don't think it is adopted by reference or anything official.
16:32:16 But maybe we could have Hunt sucker. Take a look at it, Huh!
16:32:19 Mark. Yeah, yeah, I see he's a participant here I don't know if he's listening.
16:32:31 Well,
16:32:32 Well, faintest , He's raising his hand Phillips raising his hand.
16:32:41 They'll bring over are you gonna say kate Well, he's coming over.
16:32:47 I I did another covid test at lunch, and it was the faintest, faintest, positive line.
16:32:53 So it's gotten dimmer every day so hopefully i'll be back in the office tomorrow.
16:32:58 Awesome, hey? you might wanna wish Philip, a belated happy birthday.
16:33:03 He just reached the age of seniority. was your birthday.
16:33:08 Philippines I got one on my Birthday Nope, Never!
16:33:20 No, no, no, i'm current plan is 5 more years excellent!
16:33:29 So the answer is, yes, we're covered We can have virtual meetings with our existing emergency. Oh, well, yes, to that, too.
16:33:41 But the I i'm fairly certain that the the board's Resolution declaring a state of emergency has not been rescinded because we keep citing it in all these policies.
16:33:50 We're doing, and so I can get you that I was starting to look for it when when you go when I heard you say, Hey, maybe you should ask on Sucker.
16:34:00 So So i'll look for that but i'm close to a 100%.