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11:45:13 For consideration, I think, to we could also choose to take public comment before finalizing and and voting which could help inform some of the outstanding questions, too.
11:45:32 What's your preference colleagues I think we've we've had a lot of input both in public comment. and then conversations and background and and context, from from folks feel
like we're not gonna get new information to
11:45:46 make decision. So we have a planned public comment period.
11:45:55 At the end of this session I would still like to take comment.
11:45:59 But do we wanna do that before we talk about this letter, or after?
11:46:05 I I would say after. but Kate, where are you at on that, like we're going a slightly different direction than we anticipated originally, and that that might be good to get public
comments you know that that said that
11:46:22 we have we have I don't and just been hearing anything new, but I think it's always good to by the opportunity to, before taking action to here from the public.
11:46:33 Can we address my question? at least first, sure. Yeah, I mean.
11:46:36 And to specifically, if you look at our agenda for this special meeting, we talk about no action on penny ones, and we have taken no action on any wise Yeah, I think it would
be inappropriate to take action on any wise
11:46:49 sale today, could we? put this on the agenda for the Monday, June sixth, the meeting giving people the opportunity to comment.
11:47:07 I thought we were trying to get Dnr input before their June first meeting.
11:47:13 Jennifer, June seventh meeting. Oh, June seventh.
11:47:19 I think so. yeah, i'll look right now I mean I I would I would suggest that we're not actually taking action that we're we're writing a letter asking for something I don't know
that that would that's not really
11:47:33 action of the board on behalf of business of the county.
11:47:40 So I have less, and we do in the agenda request.
11:47:45 It does talk about penny wise very I mean we've that's that's a pretty significant action that we have not.
11:47:54 I mean we We don't have any of the junior taxing districts that are impacted by that sale here.
11:47:59 If you've not taken any action before. I think it's pretty substantial action to ask Dnr to defer which we had.
11:48:10 You know we talked around, but we've never proposed before, so I guess i'm , and I would Still, you know I got stangle that as a carrot that I would be willing to compromise
if we want
11:48:18 to see how to follow this through. As I say, all those 1,400 acres are are special.
11:48:25 Letting the penny wise sale go forward. That we have not blocked so far.
11:48:31 Were asked to defer, would still allow us to pursue this strategy with with Beaver Valley.
11:48:34 And yet I mean i've i've heard from both of the junior taxing districts, and and at the penny wise sale, and they both are very much in favor of the harvest and and the and
the
11:48:47 funds, and they thought they were critical so I Mean these are, We've heard a different story from at least some of the the taxing during your taxing districts in Beaver Valley.
11:48:59 It would way. it would be a way to parse it that I would be feel comfortable signing the letter And they did come to our last meeting and testify as such.
11:49:08 Yeah, there's the fire district wasn't Didn't Chief Manley was there. he's from Brennan.
11:49:15 Not oh, sign! But I did talk to Chief Mccarr, and he expressed the same thing, and I represented that.
11:49:20 But
11:49:39 Hmm,
11:49:40 Hmm,
11:49:45 It's I I'm i'm interested in in taking public comment, partly to to just give some time to for me to think about that question.
11:49:54 Greg So so i'm I think there's there's some benefit in compromising us coming to a decision collectively on this, too.
11:50:06 So let's maybe we'll I will say Hi did rather.
11:50:11 We take public comment. first. Okay, i'm happy to do that And so if you are still there with us on the attendee list, raise your hand if you're interested in making public comment.
Now, what's this shall I take stop
11:50:32 sharing my screen. folks want to be able to see it, if somebody wants me to share it again.
11:50:41 I they could request that I see a number of hands up now so let's bring over the first 3 which would be brown Froby at Bowen built Turner, and then there's another 3 coming
after that
11:51:11 There's so Bill Turner came over first bill you'll need to unmute and turn on your camera.
11:51:21 If you want, you have 3Â min for public comment. Okay, Thank you.
11:51:25 Appreciate the deliberation and listening to it.
11:51:29 Obviously I prefer a different result. but a couple of things to to put in there.
11:51:33 One. Since the information. you're looking at as for what is considered a legacy forest, or an older force came from not Dnr, but from an outside organization, I I think you
need to work I would recommend working with Dr in that along those
11:51:49 lines, instead of taking a a other groups intention also a caution, as you've moved forward.
11:51:58 Kate, as you mentioned you you know all you'd like to set aside all these quote legacy forests for at least a year, and you saw the the sales list for the next few years.
11:52:08 All of them are legacy for us in in the definition of setup for responsible for history.
11:52:14 The impacts to your junior taxing districts won't be felt for a couple of years, because when we purchase tempor sales it.
11:52:22 By the time we build rows and then the income comes coming off. so you may think when you're pausing for a year, you don't see any real impact, and what the heck let's go forward
but the impacts will
11:52:34 come, and and they are significant. So one thing, the other thing I might add or ask for you to put in the letter consider to put in the letter is when you say you a pause for
a year how about up to a year because if you
11:52:45 make a decision prior to that. It gives you the flexibility to move forward anyway.
11:52:51 Thank you, Thank you, Bill. Great comments. ed Bollen.
11:53:00 No, you have 3Â min for comment, so I cannot support. the firmware Penny Wise, both for the reason that the Third District Commissioner brings up in the for this particular
meeting.
11:53:15 But mostly because these deferments are just killing us.
11:53:20 I know before marble Mirelett ever reached a level of capture, and the plan for Dnr.
11:53:27 In their 2,019 stainless calculation.
11:53:31 In this region. We had 13 deferment layers currently on the book at that time, and it was preventing the productive use of our forest at that time.
11:53:44 And Now I can't even count I don't have enough toes and fingers to count the number of deferments, and this this request for penny wise is just another deferment whether it's
for week whether
11:53:55 it's for a year. whether it's indefinitely which a lot of these affirmative action turn into.
11:54:02 I just cannot support that I do i'm not quite sure I couldn't quite read all the text on the screen share, but I do think I hope you got in there the language regarding recommendation
or your your advice to the Board and national resource regarding
11:54:18 the reconvenience for the purpose of parks I do hope you address that in your this letter that you're now editing.
11:54:27 Thank you. Thanks for your comments. Ed. heath you have 3Â min for comment.
11:54:34 Hello, and i'll say good morning again. this is barely morning. again, Thanks for all the work that you're doing, and the opportunity to comment, I do mean that first I just
wanted to kind of remember when you're looking at this
11:54:45 you got to step back and look at the broader dnr landscape at the very least.
11:54:49 I've already talked about for a service and private just to be clear in Jefferson County.
11:54:53 The 1,400 of acres of legacy forests.
11:54:57 You really need to look at what the operable land base is It Hasn't already been set aside under the Hcp.
11:55:03 So actually, the 1,400 acres is 13% of the operable acres, not 8.
11:55:08 The 8% is actually of the entire State Forest Trust lands Same thing.
11:55:12 When you take a step out and you look at all of Dnr's Land ownership holdings nearly half of it is set aside under the Hcp.
11:55:22 So the you know, like friends from the center for responsible forestry, will say, Well, this is 80,000 acres of legacy for us.
11:55:29 And then, in the context of 1 point, 5 million acres.
11:55:32 This is not very much. but when you set aside when you look at only what's actually operable, it's a much bigger impact than you would think, the other comment, you guys I think
are we're struggling with is you look at
11:55:45 dnr's age classes right now. and over only 304,000 acres of their landscape is actually over 40 years old, which is actually commercial.
11:55:57 They've got a huge portion 62% that is below 40.
11:56:02 So, for example, taking 80,000 Acres if you were to do that of legacy for us out of that operable land base is nearly 30% of the Dnr's operable land base.
11:56:14 So that's why the impact is so large now you could wait some decades.
11:56:19 You'll get some more growth back into the system but we have a lot of younger for us right now, and it's because we've been deferring harvests.
11:56:29 And some of these older stands for so many years Now that it's it's frontloaded this way, So, anyway.
11:56:34 Thank you again for the common. I do like the direction the letter is heading.
11:56:39 And I also do think, yeah, I would be in contact with the queer folks and quill scene.
11:56:43 I don't live there. I don't live in Jefferson County.
11:56:44 I understand that. But I do think these are major impacts potentially. You're deliberating on as you know, 1 point: 6 million dollars sale that they might want to have you know
an opportunity to have public input on So I Thank
11:56:56 you thanks for your comments, He's we appreciate it see a few more hands up. I'll bring over Elizabeth done, and Mary Jean Jean Ball
11:57:20 I'll bring over Brill as well
11:57:27 Good morning again, elizabeth. you'll have 3 more minutes for public comment morning. Thank you. i'll tied.
11:57:35 To be brief, I echo everyone and thinking, you for your conversation, and really in-depth look at this issue. I just wanted to make a couple of points, And one. is that I think
what you are applying when you're asking to
11:57:47 defer. the sale is a precautionary principle, and that is a very well-established principle that is used all the time, and that is to say, that we need to air on the side of
caution and
11:57:57 not taking an action that is irreversible when we're gathering more data, and that is what you're doing.
11:58:02 I feel strongly that you should include penny wise it's, a very small amount of acreage and that unit 7.
11:58:09 It is clearly old forest and structurally complex forest again, if you haven't visited.
11:58:16 Go visit, and you'll see that and there's a red herring to say that this will have a significant impact on the budget, and also as far the opportunity to comment on it penny
wise was specifically mentioned as you
11:58:28 know in your May 20 third draft letter. so I think the public has had an opportunity to do that.
11:58:33 In fact, some of the prologging folks have sent out emails, speaking specifically to Penny.
11:58:39 Why so I do think that there has been an opportunity to comment on that.
11:58:43 And Senator responsible for history, has gather a petition with, I think, over 280 signatures, and just a matter of weeks 2 weeks asking you to defer to make this request.
11:58:56 So that Dnr. can defer action on Penny.
11:58:58 Wise. Thank you very much. Thank you. is done Next up on my screen is Gene Ball.
11:59:09 Jean, you'll need to unmute
11:59:20 Jean, are you having a hard time unmuting?
11:59:24 Hi Yes, Commissioner, I was unable to unmute.
11:59:28 Well seen. Thank you for your collaborative tone today.
11:59:33 Thank you for being fearless in discussions of very difficult issues.
11:59:40 I, You know I wish to state again how grateful I am to be living at a moment in time, and in a county where we have commissioners such as yourselves, who are willing to take
on these difficult issues.
12:00:00 And I I think that we are head and shoulders ahead of the rest of society in being willing to do so.
12:00:07 So thank you for your participation. I agree that most citizens have no idea what's going on.
12:00:18 When I talk to people about this issue that they are shocked and I'm.
12:00:20 Not exaggerated. They're shocked that we are considering cutting trees of this nature.
12:00:27 So it's not just us rabbit tree hunters.
12:00:31 It's regular people on the street. who have no connection to these issues that are concerned about this.
12:00:38 Yeah, I agree pushing benefits no one it's we need to, you know.
12:00:43 Understand this before we make decisions. we can't undo easily I again wish to state that almost nobody.
12:00:52 I you know, and I say almost because we heard somebody this morning who thinks we shouldn't harvest trees.
12:00:59 I don't agree. I I heat my house with lord my house is made out of wood.
12:01:03 I'm a wood worker, I agree we should harvest trees.
12:01:06 I know we live in a timber county. I fully support harvesting, but not these trees.
12:01:13 I disagree with something that is going on with the in particular penny Wise sale Where? Yes, I agree.
12:01:20 They have marked most of the very large trees to preserve as Quote Leave trueings. However, I did see some very small trees, and I mean like 4 to 6 inch diameter.
12:01:32 I'm inch, not foot inch diameter and I don't understand why that is because there were very large trees near them, but in my opinion, and I could be wrong.
12:01:42 But it seems like we would be It would be advent pages to predict the larger trees and those little 4 to 6 inch trees I mean, I could stick them with my hand burners.
12:01:53 Practically. so I don't understand that but anyway, thank you very much.
12:01:58 I I truly appreciate you Thanks, Jane, next We'll bring Mary Jane Ryan.
12:02:06 Up for comments, Mary Jean. hi I I just want to express my thanks to I'm.
12:02:14 Really excited about this new approach. I think it offers really great potential.
12:02:20 I think it really is a new model. it will have great potential in many communities around our State.
12:02:27 So I thank you for your leadership. I like bill turner's editorial suggestion that maybe you know
12:02:37 You talk about up to a year. I think some of the decisions the component just that you will have to make. don't know necessarily have to take a whole year.
12:02:45 But Commissioner dean has said many times maybe you don't have enough information to go forward with clear cutting these 2 older forests.
12:02:58 I mean we don't get them back penny wise is a 98 year old average age forest.
12:03:04 So if it does take a few more months to figure out the best course of action.
12:03:10 I just would urge you to to to defer both, and to take the time you need to get to a good set of decisions.
12:03:18 But I really i'm really excited by the overall approach, and I thank you.
12:03:25 Thank you, Mary Jean. Karen, will you bring over Patricia and Jessica, and then we'll web brow, Froby.
12:03:33 Comment again. Is there anybody else who hasn't made comment yet today in the attendees list who would like to comment If so, please raise your hand using the raise hand button
at the bottom of the zoom?
12:03:49 Screen. we'd love to hear from anyone who would like to comment.
12:03:53 Okay, Dr. Jones, I want to voice my support for the county to develop a strategy, for its dnr managed lands, and I'm incredibly grateful to the you all in the Commission of
public Lands for being willing to
12:04:07 consider this. it's an incredibly important opportunity and exciting for us all.
12:04:12 I also want to say how grateful I am for the language being used by the commissioners and stakeholders.
12:04:18 You have not allowed this issue to devolve into the old rhetoric of conservation versus timber of ecological science versus business.
12:04:28 We're much more advanced and we're going to Put all the tools to use at our hands as an environmentalist to human rights, advocate within environmental justice uppermost in
my heart my challenges to ensure that
12:04:41 my town. The school cooling school district has funds for its capital improvements; that the fire district, the people we asked to put their very lives on the line are well
paid, and have the best equipment possible it's also my challenge
12:04:55 to ensure some volume of timber resolves in our economy.
12:05:00 I would hope and believe it is their challenge also to ensure we are leaving our children a better place in the future.
12:05:08 I am raising my hand to work with the community to find sources of funds to backfill.
12:05:14 For these important. please include Penny wise and the deferral evaluate.
12:05:19 If there are other stands that can be brought up into the rotation as a part of the tools to ensure that the essential services in cocaine are met.
12:05:28 Thank you for everything you're doing, thank you Patricia see, we have 3 more folks, so we'll start with Brel Froby.
12:05:39 You have 3Â min bro there again. want to echo all of the things that's been expressed about the direction that y'all are taking really briefly, when I just respond about the
piece of whether or not to include penny
12:05:54 wise. It seems like the the spirit of the letter is really about creating this partnership with Dnr.
12:06:00 About older for us, and with penny wise if it's not included in the letter.
12:06:05 It will be cut. The minor will assuredly approve that timber sale.
12:06:11 So if figuring out an older for us policy or partnership or pathway forward is important to you all, and I really appreciate that.
12:06:19 That's the language being used in the letter then including penny wise.
12:06:24 Seems to me like it. It needs to be in there that's my opinion.
12:06:29 Of course. just want to use the the remainder of my time to just respond to a couple of talking points that the timber industry lobbyists were presenting earlier in the public
comment period.
12:06:40 So so There was Co. talk about leakage and this conceptability.
12:06:50 Here, however, the Dnr themselves. in response to this concern of leakage with the new carbon project has said that they've created this new keep evergreen initiative that is
focused on reforestations that's
12:07:01 adding more working for us than to the forest acres that Dnr managed.
12:07:07 So they themselves, in responsibilities, Concerns about leakage are saying that
12:07:12 They are able to add in acreages, as they take some acres offline for the carbon Company.
12:07:17 So I think I think there in partnership with other programs, is really important to think about in regards to thinking holistically about
12:07:26 That concern about net import, and making sure that we have enough for us to meet our our timber needs.
12:07:32 And I think that that is possible with with adding forest aids with this keep ever bring green initiative.
12:07:39 And lastly, to dna's point about this being sort of a catch 22, 2 of you know, for first people say that we don't want to log legacy for us.
12:07:47 But then, if we increase the the rotation, then they become like a c forest, and then they say, don't cut them.
12:07:54 I feel like that's a little bit of a red herring because a key difference about the forest that many of us are advocating for are that the are naturally regenerating, and that
they're prior to 1,900 and
12:08:03 45. So if if you increase rotation for for us that are older than 1945, and you know they're they're 80 years old.
12:08:13 The key difference is that they're still plantation for us they're not these biodiverse structurally complex for us that we are advocating for so So it's not true that we're
gonna you know then start saying Oh,
12:08:22 Well, then, don't cut cut those 80 year. old for us like it's really about the significance of these forests that you've heard many people speak to lastly.
12:08:33 Nowhere in the Ipcc. report does it say that it's beneficial to clear cut mature older for us, and then turn them into forest plantation.
12:08:42 So I think it's a little disenuous to invoke the Ipc.
12:08:46 Is justification for cutting these for us thank you bro that's 3Â min.
12:08:49 I saw Georgia outs hand up scandals here, too.
12:08:57 Okay, Jessica. you can unmute and you'll have 3Â min for comment, and George, if you're still there.
12:09:03 So I think he went away, but maybe he'll come back Jessica.
12:09:08 Hi! thanks again. I just wanted to say that one of the things that's kind of being overlooked.
12:09:15 I feel is that even though, in the in these next 5 years, you have a certain percentage of the trees the forest fans that we're trying to save our legacy for us or older native
growth, we're actually those
12:09:30 rotations are very long. and so we need to have a bigger wider lens, and it's really still only 9.3 of the total total for us in general county, even though that percentage
is larger for this next 5 years it's still in
12:09:47 the long term. still only 9.3 which is really little, and also Mallory Weinheimer, who's a forester that has been working with you.
12:09:59 Is, is looking at these older forests and how to create a roomric or a measuring tool to try to see what should be conserved and not.
12:10:07 And I know she's been kind of busy and overseas and different things.
12:10:11 But that might be not to put this in the letter per se but just to kind of keep in the back in your minds that that there is somebody who's who's on your team?
12:10:21 Who's working with these same questions and that might be good to
12:10:25 Look at what she says. She's really like the expert regarding Jefferson's for us, as far as I I know, so thank you that's all.
12:10:33 Thank you, Jessica. So Is there anybody else on the attendee list who would like to make a public comment?
12:10:40 Otherwise we're gonna close public comment I don't see any hands going up.
12:10:47 So we will close public comments and continued deliberations.
12:10:55 And then I saw was Philip. I saw you it'd be good to see if Mr.
12:11:08 Hunsucker is available to come over and answer the question about he was on the attend.
12:11:13 Oh, there is okay. Great Philip Hunsacker.
12:11:20 Welcome to the Zoom room. We had left I i've You've been listening along today.
12:11:27 I have most most of the time so we're interested in sending a letter to Dnr, and taking potentially taking action on something that wasn't explicitly listed on our agenda previously
although it
12:11:42 was included in the conversations especially last week But We wanted guidance from you on whether we could take action on deferring a timber sale that wasn't discussed.
12:11:58 The question, Is Is it taking action if it's approving a letter that asks for an action, not but for great great feel free to word it?
12:12:08 How you want to also. Okay, i'm gonna look at the notice now real quick. Yeah, I think looking at the agenda is the critical thing.
12:12:16 And and seeing, I mean, cause we we call it action in the in the letter to send the letter.
12:12:23 But it's recommendations not action and county business I I'm.
12:12:30 I'm totally open to the whatever on sucker determines that I I think so.
12:12:32 The question is whether It's action whether asking for a deferment from Dnr.
12:12:38 In this letter that we're talking about would constitute an action not listed in the special meeting agenda should I share that we'll fill this looking at that Can I share that
draft again?
12:12:56 Yeah. So i'm i'm looking at it and it it it only mentions the beaver beverly.
12:12:58 In the agenda, request it briefly mentioned but not in the draft letter, and not on the agenda
12:13:19 Okay, let me look at the agenda request.
12:13:55 Getting there,
12:14:03 Sorry av captures turned on someone to make that not make, not kick in
12:14:09 Okay.
12:14:21 In the meantime, folks, I did confirm that the next be in our meeting is June seventh,
12:14:30 Yeah. the letter doesn't mention anyways specifically the agenda request does right The general request
12:14:52 So
12:15:18 So I i'm not saying
12:15:24 Anything other but the beaver fever valleys sorts,
12:15:37 If you look at the the gender request, the bottom of the second paragraph, including penny wise timber sale.
12:15:52 The last sentence: There,
12:16:09 Do you see that, Philip? Okay.
12:16:30 Yeah, it's all in the it's also in the second paragraph of analysis
12:16:51 Okay, Well, I I think You've given enough notice to the public, if you want to include penny wise in the letter for opma purposes.
12:17:01 Okay, Thank you, mainly because it's mainly because of what's listing in the analysis section of the of the gender request.
12:17:10 Okay,
12:17:29 . we good Yep, thank you you're welcome
12:17:36 Okay. So where we were at before Public comment was working on this letter, and we got the discussion of whether to include the sentence 2 sentences marked in yellow, specifically
the penny wise timber sale as part of our
12:18:01 request for deferring action on these sales for up to a year to undertake collaborative work with the Department of National Resources. Is that your recollection of where we
were at folks?
12:18:15 Okay,
12:18:24 Can I point out a couple easier things? 1 one is
12:18:28 I thought about adding strategy development to the ask with Dnr Just
12:18:35 That's something that Patricia called out and I realized we didn't really talk about strategy, which is ultimately what we're trying to get at here.
12:18:43 Strategic, not strategy. Oh, strategies.
12:18:51 Well, I guess that's okay. So it seems a little awkward strategy development compound.
12:18:57 Now I don't know or whatever it is is it possible through developing a strategy
12:19:11 How about devouting a strategy for collaborative co-management?
12:19:18 Even so, you have the extra strategy at the beginning. still. Hmm!
12:19:27 And then I did add in the up to a year.
12:19:34 Okay, do we agree with that? Yeah, that seems like a good note.
12:19:40 Hmm,
12:19:47 And I guess i'll just you know I don't agree with the to deferring either these sales, but I can.
12:19:51 I can sign on to the note if we just include Beer Valley as A is a pilot project.
12:19:55 But I mean, as both of my junior taxing districts have have indicated, strong opposition to the deferring that sale.
12:20:04 I just that any wise sale i'm not in favor of deferring idle.
12:20:10 We want a consensus, I think I I I can do it with Beaver Valley and and compromise what I think we should do in the short term.
12:20:16 But
12:20:26 I would say that I still see them as both as strong candidates for a co-management program going forward.
12:20:36 So I I hear your concerns. but I also also have gotten a lot of input about the specific attributes of that timber sale, and especially Unit 7.
12:20:50 So I still support it, including both in the we might as well put all the future harvest that are on the schedule on the deferment list as well, because we're going to hear
the same thing from the
12:21:03 same people about every single one of them Well, that's what we're trying to get out with a collaborative co-management program with Dnr is identifying the most important older
Forests on State Forest transfer Trust
12:21:23 lands and a path forward for preserving those and allowing for harvest on the vast majority of acreages made up by that trust, and we don't have any information about how ready
those other properties are for
12:21:43 harvest. I mean that's part of the analysis that we have to do.
12:21:48 Yeah, I still think we're micromanaging dnr by by bulking at the at the early sales, I mean, I can't can't support it
12:22:00 And I respect that. but we should be honest with dnr if we don't want them to do those other sales on that list.
12:22:07 We should probably talk about that, Maybe not today. But I mean, why let them go through all this?
12:22:11 You know tens of thousands of dollars of work if we're gonna Say, don't cut any trees, you know older than 70 years
12:22:22 I am i'm inclined to leave penny who is in I think if we're we're expressing a a an an actual concern about the loss of ecological function of these forests until we have more
12:22:41 information. it would be disingenuous to move ahead with one and not the other.
12:22:46 And I think we, you know, need to hold ourselves to to this timeline that we're setting out to develop this strategy.
12:22:58 And you know, really be prepared in year's time, to be saying, you know we we have determined these lands are not appropriate for harvest or for an alternative management, style,
and that that these are green light go
12:23:12 ahead, and have that clarity for the public cause.
12:23:16 I agree that. and and we know this is happening all over the country just about any project that will impact anyone is being held up with with environmental concerns and largely
by people who have the resources to be able to understand and wield those and I you
12:23:33 know, and often to be her all of public benefits and I so i'm very conscientious of that and but I think what we're talking about is a longer term strategy.
12:23:46 That will help us get past that and then a year delay is a relatively small time.
12:23:54 We have, You know Dnr has delayed harvests by much more than a year.
12:24:00 At times given their processes, too. This is long range work.
12:24:04 And I appreciate the work they do and have done up until this point.
12:24:09 But it is, it is not you know, we know that that Dnr's work is inconsistent and timing and and then in supply of revenue, and that is that is nothing new.
12:24:21 So So I I think the the benefit of of the pause and the work that we're trying to do outweighs the short term delay of revenue, which again is is not consistent to begin with
and you know in
12:24:38 the last, just to add to what you're saying kated the last couple be in our meetings There's been pretty extensive discussion about their capacity constraints, and that, slowing
all their on the ground activities down so
12:24:52 I you know i'm a little bit on con unsure that we would even get to these harvest in a year.
12:25:06 So I think, in terms of for the benefit of us developing a robust program that really addresses the qualities that we're getting at and understanding what qualities we're trying
to address my reasoning for not starting to say Well,
12:25:23 this this One's Okay, or and I understand the fiscal implications to the junior taxing districts, both in the Beaver Valley towards Timber sale and the penny wise timber sale
If those
12:25:38 harvest were to move forward on the timeframe that is being proposed, and i'm just not convinced that the that timeframe will even work
12:25:55 I will go ahead and make a motion that We approve the letter as presented here to be signed by the chair.
12:26:03 I'll second
12:26:10 All in favor. Maybe i'm sure you just say if There's any more discussion?
12:26:22 , all in favor. Hi, hi! all opposed. Nay, okay, okay, joke.
12:26:37 I will send this letter
12:26:41 And have lots more discussions, you know i'll still participate in the process.
12:26:47 You know the strategy is important. I don't disagree with that. and thank you about it.
12:26:52 Yeah, they showed that start thinking about how we want to initiate that process.
12:27:01 Yeah,
12:27:07 Anything else today. there can't be maybe just one question on this letter where it does not specify who we are sending it to the Board of Natural Resources.
12:27:18 Okay, which includes the Commissioner public land she's the chair, and perhaps our State legislative delegation as well.
12:27:26 I can do a Cc. to them any more adjustments relative to the letter or edits of structural sense
12:27:40 Do you want to send this to me? So I can finalize it and get it out? Sure. Yeah, i'll send it to you and Carolyn.
12:27:52 Thank you.