HomeMy WebLinkAboutclosed_caption09:01:42 Oh, I hear the bells of the clock tow! Good morning, everybody!
09:01:50 Happy Monday morning. This is June thirteenth, 2022.
09:01:56 I will call this meeting of the Jefferson County Board of Commissioners to order at 9 Am.
09:02:03 And as we do every Monday morning we'll start with public comment.
09:02:08 So if you are joining us via the the zoom you can use the raise hand, Button and the bottom of your zoom screen to make public comment, and if you're on the phone, it looks
like we only have our
09:02:25 staff number on the phone. So i'm not gonna say that so we'll start with public comment.
09:02:30 We'll do public comment until 9 30 and looks like Carolyn's bringing people over.
09:02:37 Yeah, there's 3 people justin Noteson Brett Black and Joe, so that'll be Brett Joe.
09:02:46 And then i'm sorry he'll be justin brett and then, Joe, Okay, great
09:02:56 Oh, you're muted hi real quick this is Justin Mathes and I'm sure the Brandon Fire Commission, and our fire district is very concerned about a Jefferson County support for the
Dnr climate offset
09:03:14 program in our region, and, do the vast amounts of of our kind.
09:03:21 Our counties for us already protected. Our national parks good, healthy force management programs are essential to the existence of our small party departments.
09:03:30 Our rule. departments are already struggling with strap staffing shortages to provide appropriate Ems services and fire service.
09:03:40 One timber project could impact our budget to cover one to 2 firefighters in our district stopping for a year, and we've been running at the same staffing level since 2,016
and have had an
09:03:52 increase of 61 point, 5% in call volume again that's 60.
09:03:58 1.4%. So we had to brand new fire would urge you to oppose the Dnr program and resent resend your letter supporting the stopping of the Beaver Valley store and penny wise sale
which has a
09:04:12 negative impact to cooling fire, who we partner with on mutual aid at nearly a daily basis.
09:04:18 So under staff. Our services put lives at risk that's our statement thank you.
09:04:24 Thank you for your comments, Justin. And now, Chief Buck, good morning.
09:04:33 Commissioners and other county staff my Name's Bret Black I'm, the fire Chief of East Jefferson, and Portland, of our districts. together.
09:04:39 The exceptional men and women of fire districts, one and 3 protect approximately 27,000 residents within Jefferson County, with selfless dedication to our community, but routinely
doing more with less.
09:04:52 Our facilities are in equipment, are functional, but antiquated in some cases even obsolete.
09:04:56 We have mercy vehicles older than some of our firefighters.
09:05:01 A residential structure. Fire requires a minimum of 16 firefighters.
09:05:04 If there are no other incidents going on at the same time, we can feel the dozen responders. throughout Jefferson County.
09:05:13 Mercy services are under resource and underfunded in our collaboration.
09:05:17 Fire districts. One and 3 are doing everything possible to be efficient with our revenue.
09:05:22 We've maximized our service delivery to the extent possible while streamlining administrative costs.
09:05:27 Despite these efforts, we are still deficit spending, Although we can never be certain about the timber sales revenue, we rely on every dollar just to maintain our current service
level the anticipated district 3
09:05:39 revenue for the Beaver Valley timber sale is approximately 250,000.
09:05:44 That's the cost of 2 first responders for a year or a new ambulance.
09:05:47 Many of us have fought fire throughout the West, and places such as the Cascades, the giant Sequoia is even.
09:05:54 You see, we see the big picture impacts of climate change in real time.
09:05:58 As a result, firefighters understand the necessity preserving our natural resources with our first hand experience.
09:06:05 Fundamentally environmental impact of timber sales should be scrutinized and updated, but it needs to be balanced and inclusive.
09:06:11 And most importantly, a strategic process. It seems appropriate for the junior taxing districts to be partners of table for any and all discussions related to revenue for timber
sales.
09:06:21 The process should find and secure alternate funding sources.
09:06:26 Before we consider deferring or postponing timber sales and its vital revenue without an alternate revenue source.
09:06:32 I worry. doing more with less is going to degrade into doing less with less.
09:06:38 I look forward to collaborating with the county officials and a community fire realistic and reliable solutions.
09:06:42 Thank you. Thank you, Chief Black. We appreciate your comments
09:06:51 It looks like Oh, is that nextly here from Joe, and then looks like Tom has his hand raised in the in the attendee list.
09:06:59 Thank you, Heidi. good morning, commissioners jocons We're here.
09:07:03 Just fine swing by and check in I tried to find the appropriate background.
09:07:11 Hopefully. this one works but i'm just wondering what's going on with the healthcare hero saying I made a nomination, and I haven't heard back so just wanted to check in my
head 5Â min this morning for
09:07:21 some family responsibilities. I'd like to be there at least virtually, if if and when Dr.
09:07:28 Barry gets an award. Thank you, Mr. Kuzler.
09:07:37 Good morning, Mr. Tirish. good morning real quick.
09:07:44 I, apologizing in advance for going out of order here.
09:07:47 I had the last minute scheduling conflict. Come up with your public hearing this to take place at 1045. I submitted a couple of quick public or some quick testimony by email
this morning.
09:07:58 Wanna make sure it got into the public record The big point of the 2 is that the proposed ordinance regarding the The housing code revisions is that the applications are being
are to be pretty processed as a
09:08:14 type 2 application which is basically a decision that's just left up to the administrator.
09:08:20 And I have problem with that, because these are decisions that affect a lot of people. And I think it really should be promoted to be a type.
09:08:26 3 process with a full public hearing held by the hearing examiner.
09:08:31 Because if you leave it as a type, 2 the only time, the public gets a chance to weigh in on the issue is through an appeals process after the decision is already been made,
and that is a very expensive and time consuming process.
09:08:46 And doesn't really do justice to the issue so I would urge you to to consider changing the application type to be at type 3.
09:08:56 Thanks very much. Thank you for your comment, Mr. tears i'm gonna make another call for public comment.
09:09:04 If there's anybody who's joined us via the zoom zoom this morning and wants to make public comment, you can use the raise hand button at the bottom of the zoom screen, and I
don't see anybody on
09:09:17 the phone. we will leave public common open, and until 9 30.
09:09:24 If anyone decides they want to make another comment or make public comment and and we can call on you as we move through our agenda.
09:09:37 Okay, Anyone ready to respond to public comment. I see your hand. I can lead off just to get Joe, Joe was answered before, yet needs to leave, and did I appreciate it?
09:09:48 And I know Dr. Barry appreciated the nomination for public health hero and Dr.
09:09:53 Barry certainly is, she actually declined to be honored.
09:09:58 Usually these are these: These awards go to members of the company.
09:10:03 We do have some retiring public health. Employees that have, you know, serve long and hard, especially in the last couple of years, decades worth of work.
09:10:10 I think in 3 years that we'll be honored but Dr.
09:10:13 Barry really appreciated the nomination and and declined out of respect for the other community members.
09:10:19 That she did just recently get honored, as you know, professional of the year from our Chamber of Commerce, and I encourage you to to stick around Mr.
09:10:26 Kunzler, and and she'll be here soon at at 9, 45, or 9 35.
09:10:33 Sorry it it's been too long to justin and and Brett.
09:10:37 I I hear your concerns. I obviously I agree with you.
09:10:42 And I think that I will say that the the process we're going right now.
09:10:45 I hope it doesn't delay things too, long but it is really to get all the stakeholders at the table, and I'm, i'm confident well or reach a a solution that that addresses the
junior
09:10:57 taxing districts. They are important. I mean money could speak to county roads, and then the County General fund as well.
09:11:02 We are cognizant of the impact that this might cause and are working through a lot of issues.
09:11:07 Heidi and I were a timber school last year and brought a lot back, and i'm sure in our briefing our relative briefings.
09:11:15 Respective briefings will get into. You know some of the some of the data points that that we learned at this lesson that could inform that conversation.
09:11:22 So we are working hard on it. and and we hear you and I know that it's critical for these junior taxing districts, and you will be at the table.
09:11:30 To Mr. tears. I you know I haven't seen your your testimony yet.
09:11:34 We're gonna well, i'm sure we'll get that before we make our decision.
09:11:38 I do appreciate. your No, that's one of my notes as well, actually, because these are, you know, these are political decisions with with Tent and Cameron.
09:11:47 So I I tend to really favor maybe type 5 where it's less costly hearing in front of the commissioners.
09:11:53 But I think that's going to be a point of conversation at at the hearing today So appreciate the note, and I know that people do want to have their voice heard about these issues.
09:12:04 And those are my responses. Thank you. Okay, Do you wonder?
09:12:10 Respond. sure. I think greg covered it pretty well It will say in response to the the pause on timber sales. you know we're we're really asking for some time to look at options
and and and become
09:12:27 kind of better informed. and think about how how we want to have our trust lands better serve our constituents, and that includes the junior texting districts. and you know
I know part of my one. of my biggest goals in this is that is there.
09:12:42 A way that we can provide more predictable revenues for junior texting districts.
09:12:47 The inconsistency of revenues is really tough for for schools libraries.
09:12:54 I've not heard this directly from emergency services but might be for them to to plan around.
09:12:59 That when you get a huge infusion one year nothing the next 3 years
09:13:04 That that's tricky to work. with so and I would look really love to see if there's a way that we can make that a more predictable revenue source.
09:13:11 So that people can budget for it and rely on it.
09:13:14 And I also am committed to having all the stakeholders at the table, and
09:13:19 Look forward to working with with ems fire districts on that process.
09:13:28 Let's see yeah, I'm also very interested in digging into that topic that Mr.
09:13:33 Tier brought up and so look forward to a a hefty conversation.
09:13:39 Or leader this morning, on our hearing on the temporary homelessness, facilities, ordinance and maybe just point out that Monty renders is with us as acting county administrator
This week.
09:13:50 So thanks, Monte, for filling in for Mark
09:13:56 Thanks everyone. I don't. have a lot to add other than to say that Greg and I attended timber school last week, not last year, and and through that process I came out of It
was more questions than it then feeling like
09:14:12 I had answers to the questions I had, and also having a sense that this crafting of a a plan for co-management of some of our State forest lands is going to take longer than
we might like and so we
09:14:26 might have to have a multi-step process.
09:14:32 And I think that i've heard from a number of our junior taxing districts, and we may have to move forward with some timber sales.
09:14:38 Well in the while we're in the process of developing a co-management plan with Dnr for some of our State forest land.
09:14:47 So. But this is all part of the conversation that we're embarking on, and we definitely will be including all of the junior taxing districts in the conversation as well as our
county leaders who we know depend on these revenues.
09:14:59 So. I think that's my only additional comment other than what my colleagues provided is there anybody else on the zoom and attendee last. who would like to make a comment at
This time?
09:15:17 If so, you can use the raise hand. button at the bottom of the screen, and if not, we'll leave public comment open for another 15Â min.
09:15:26 If somebody decides to have something they'd like to add and they can raise their hand, and we'll call on you when we're done.
09:15:31 We have a pause in our deliberations. so
09:15:41 It looks like we could have time to deal with the consent agenda.
09:15:44 Were there any items on the consent agenda that Greg or Kate you wanted to call out
09:15:54 Good stuff. Yeah, you know I I I had. I had a question that I asked.
09:16:03 Sarah Melonson and Hr. today about not number 2, confident that that agreement is something that we really need to do for those 3 folks that are in that Union just to to write
size and and everything.
09:16:15 So. yeah, i'm i'm happy with all the work great to have people.
09:16:21 I don't know darryl and and pete from the from the Board of Equalization just just it sounds like the qualifications are great, so it's it's lovely when people reap for those
09:16:31 responsibilities and volunteer position so no i'm happy to move that we approve and adopt the consent agenda as presented.
09:16:41 Oh, second all in favor. Aye, makin agenda passes
09:16:52 I think we're gonna hold off on our proclamation until 9 30, because Kptz is gonna turn on the airwaves a little early for us today.
09:17:01 For reading that proclamation? so what's your pleasure, friends?
09:17:10 Do you wanna do some calendaring, maybe some briefing.
09:17:16 I'd love to hear about timber school.
09:17:21 Just 15Â min enough time, you think. I doubt it. but no, not to catch everything.
09:17:26 It was you know. Go go ahead, I think
09:17:33 So timber school was 2 days for county leaders. organized by the Washington State Association of Counties, and it really dove into all things.
09:17:47 County county, where counties and timber intercept and i'm just getting the agenda out.
09:17:53 So 2, 12Â h days last Thursday and Friday and
09:18:01 We started out we did a number of field trips, as part of it, one to a an active green diamond timber sale in Mason County, and then we went to the Sierra Pacific Timber mill,
and Shelton which
09:18:15 is the largest stadmill in the country, and that was a gobsmacking experience, just because it was such a huge set of machines operating
09:18:27 But it was really wonderful to be able to see it.
09:18:33 And then we came back and had classroom sessions talking about the history of the timber industry in Washington,
09:18:41 Forest land ownership in Washington. The forest products, industry, timber, timber, industry, economics.
09:18:49 So the first day was really focused on kind of the timber industry and the contacts sending the context.
09:18:55 And then In the evening we did a long panel discussion on specific intersections between counties and forest land management, and some experiences that some of our colleagues
have had in other parts of the State
09:19:12 And then on Friday we started with classroom work and talking about more.
09:19:18 The regulatory side of of the equation, and Forest ecosystems.
09:19:25 Boris carbon, and then and then we went out.
09:19:29 Oh! and then Commissioner Franz joined us for our brief address of the group, and then we went out in the field.
09:19:37 We toured a dnr timber sale that's been been auction, but not there was no activity on it yet.
09:19:48 In Mason County again, of course, because everything kept everything close.
09:19:52 And then At the end of the day we ended up a portly port, Blakely site off of Delphi Road, kind of out in East or West Jefferson or West Thurston County.
09:20:04 Sorry. but it was trying to think of my take homes where that all of these questions that we've been asking ourselves for the last 2 months are a lot more complicated than I
ever I've ever realized and There's a
09:20:21 lot more history to a lot of this stuff than I may be realized in the past, but I always had a sense that the the history was as deep as it was, but we got so some of it fleshed
out and what I think
09:20:34 I realized was that you know dnr timber sales, and the process is a very long process.
09:20:44 And so, as we move forward with planning for some co-management with Dnr, we might wanna consider kind of a a a step, a step process.
09:20:55 Where we let them move forward potentially with some of the timber sales that they've been planning for up to 3 years.
09:21:00 Some of these timber sales have been in the works, and lots of dnr staff time have gone into them.
09:21:07 When we went out to visit the crush timber sale, I was very impressed with their process and their team and their treatment of rightarian management areas and environmental
concerns.
09:21:19 But also I would say that they're very open to having this conversation with us, which is the other thing that was reinforced last year and Friday, and very interested in working
together collaboratively.
09:21:31 And so how do we best do that? I think it starts with our first conversation with Dnr.
09:21:36 Whenever we get that scheduled but just realizing that everything's probably gonna take a lot longer than we might want it to
09:21:46 So that's my recap free recap 6Â min recap great!
09:21:53 What do you want to add let's see lots of great panel presentations, you know.
09:22:00 We heard from a W. wide range of perspectives, you know, from the timber industry, the Dnr.
09:22:05 To environmentalists, and most of the data really died there wasn't a lot of disagreement over the kind of the statement of facts.
09:22:14 One interesting thing I learned was when we move from that 60 to 80 year rotation cycle to the 40 to 50 year rotation cycle.
09:22:24 That was really interesting, and it wasn't you know the loggers the most efficient harvesting of wood achieve.
09:22:34 It is happens around 60 70 years for most trees and it was really it wasn't until reef and investment companies got into the timber business that they move from that efficient
60 to 80 year harvest rotation down to a
09:22:50 40 to 50, just to get more regular revenue coming through.
09:22:55 So one of my big takeaways is that for carbon sequestration and storage?
09:23:02 What we need to really avoid is conversion of lands we'll we'll deal with that in our conversation with Jefferson Land Trust and the pumper wild by port or later today.
09:23:12 And that's really critical. and that there was I I would say broad agreement that you know, with that 60 to 80 year harvest cycle.
09:23:22 You're you're pretty efficiently sequestering carbon, and also harvesting wood, and I I just i'm wondering if that sweet spot is is I think that sweet spot will come out in
our in our
09:23:35 conversations more great to see the efficiencies in in the Cr Pacific mill, you know, 300 300 staff members, basically 270 or something.
09:23:47 And Yeah. just I don't know I overwhelmed with a lot of different information.
09:23:54 So I guess other other takeaways are an increasing respect for the
09:24:02 The planning process of dnr I think that they've got they've got a system worked out and from siliculturists to foresters to management are planning for the criteria.
09:24:17 They have, and I think the conversation that we want to have is let's look at those criteria more than do your planning differently, and I think that is, I think there is as
Heidi said.
09:24:28 I got the impression they're open to that conversation they want to maintain the trust, and you know that a three-legged stool that we talked about in our community forestry
is is is not anathema to
09:24:43 Dnr. it's just is not exactly the same as the fiduciary responsibility that they are are using as their prime motivation right now.
09:24:50 So. And And it could be that going through these programs that going, you know, staying at an 80 year road harvest rotation is what we want.
09:25:00 Dnr to do, and and slowing down on other sales and and doing things.
09:25:08 But Yeah, I guess I can I can dig into we're gonna We're trying to get some of the slide decks.
09:25:16 There was some great presentations in our g especially had all the data that I've been asking for.
09:25:23 Laid out in a really great way, including, you know, what does odd age harvesting schedule look like over a over a tableau of land that that how do you How do you manage differently
with longer?
09:25:40 Intervals and less disturbance on all of the all of the parcels and and just sort of the the different scheduling really impacts a lot of things.
09:25:51 I think when we get those Oh, yeah good nice to follow up on that I think that's something i'm really interested in in looking about Dnr's willingness to to think about and
consider different management.
09:26:03 Systems Did that come up? Is that? does that seem like a a viable alternative?
09:26:07 Or could you not say based on this trading you know I I mean I don't think I did at least didn't posit the question about counties driving their management too much into different
harvest styles but every conversation,
09:26:28 I had with any Dnr. staff, whether it was the the carbon offset folk, or Dwayne or Angus or anyone, was always about an openness to serving the the counties when they're dealing
with our trust
09:26:43 land. So I I think that they are response to that. I.
09:26:47 And another thing I learned about some of these longer natural regeneration sales that we're considering right now are the the reason they were here was.
09:26:56 I think they were kind of tied into the interim, habitat, conservation plan, you know.
09:27:02 And this idea about longer longer rotation kind of these 2 reasons that that cause these these to be here.
09:27:08 So I think we talked a lot about you know why these why, now?
09:27:13 And I think it's because largely because of the permanent habitat conservation plan, you know being in signed and everything.
09:27:24 But I don't know heidi do you have a a more granular answer for Kate. No. but I was gonna I was gonna also under underscore that presentation that was made by Northwest now
natural resource.
09:27:34 Group, and I think they illustrated a path forward potentially that we could explore with Dnr.
09:27:42 There were not explicit opportunities to talk with Dnr.
09:27:44 Land managers about their willingness to consider different timing explicitly, but I think they're very expressed generally being very open to working with us.
09:27:57 I just like I said earlier, he's got a sense that anything we do with them is gonna take longer than we might like, so that we might have to have a more more of a plan, and
terms of the timber sales that are on the
09:28:08 front burner and kind of the long term management plan, which some of our stakeholders are not going to like to hear.
09:28:16 But others will, and that was that was the thing I really took home with this sense that yeah, there's already been a ton of work done.
09:28:28 And It's been solid work that they've done a a new term that I learned that was really interesting to change the subject a little, unless Kate did you have follow up on that
No, Huh!
09:28:38 No, and I know this is a conversation we'll keep having , I mean, I think, that we can have you know weekly workshops just digesting the the slide decks that we're gonna get
to to go through and I
09:28:49 think it would be valuable, but assisted. Migration was as a new term to me that I thought was pretty fascinating, and we heard it from Dnr.
09:28:58 We heard it from Port Blakely and other temper companies as part of their process, and that's just the recognition of climate change.
09:29:05 And you know whether they're doing. you know like we're the the Dnr site that we were at had a lot of lemonade root rod.
09:29:12 So they were gonna do Red alder there. you know, the the silver cultural work of replanting they often will go, you know, 50 miles south to get like a Doug for type.
09:29:23 That is, little more warm weather, tolerant, and move that up.
09:29:28 So they are Already all companies are responding to climate change by changing their stock.
09:29:36 I don't know how far south they can go to get you know warmer weather tolerant doug fur and such.
09:29:41 But It was really interesting to hear about the the process of replanting as they were moving as climate change was make bringing warmer weather farther north, but including
including Dna, they're doing the same thing. Yeah, that was interesting I would like
09:29:59 us to decide on Okay, next steps and I know we haven't formally heard back from Dnr.
09:30:06 But you know, I see we might wanna create a a task force or work group.
09:30:14 That that helps inform, you know. I really. we we want to partner with Dr.
09:30:17 But Dnr. did encourage us when we first started talking about this, to to be clear about outlining what it is that we want.
09:30:24 What? What answers are we trying to get? What questions are we asking? and what answers do we, wanna you know, be seeking? And so
09:30:33 I think we should probably devote some time in the next couple of weeks to starting to do any kind of process.
09:30:40 Okay, I see it's 9 30 which means that Kpdc.
09:30:47 Is going to start airing in the broadcast and we are going to consider our proclamation I don't see.
09:30:58 Oh, and I will close public comment. Thank you for everyone who joined us this morning.
09:31:03 We appreciate your comments and look forward to hearing from more view.
09:31:09 Later and Yeah. so not seeing
09:31:21 So are we ready to do the proclamation, declaring June nineteenth to be juneeenth.
09:31:28 Yeah and i'm hoping grace love would be joining us, and don't see her in the attendees.
09:31:35 But I will keep an eye out for her and Carolyn, if you see Grace, love, join us.
09:31:41 If you could bring over 2 attendees great i'll keep my eye open, too.
09:31:50 Do you wanna t this one off kate sure yeah i'd be glad to
09:31:56 So Jefferson County was a fairly early adopter of proclaiming juneeenth every year.
09:32:03 And it it's interesting. Having come from Chicago junior team was a much bigger deal than I it ever was here in the Pacific Northwest in my experience.
09:32:12 But it is a an important holiday for many people, and and for good reason.
09:32:19 So juneteenth it was first declared.
09:32:22 Let me make sure I have my dates right here. We have the the proclamation here in at 1865, which was 2 and a half years, after the emancipation proclamation was signed, and
it was
09:32:35 declared When Union soldiers arrived in Galveston, Texas, and proclaimed the last remaining slaves to be freed in the United States and Texas is the last State to create slaves,
and of course that is
09:32:49 not the end of Americans history with with institutional racism and June teeth definitely acknowledges that, but also so provides opportunity for celebration. And so i'm sure
it has different meeting for a lot of different people.
09:33:02 But I know for me what it represents is the the annual reminder that Americans have a responsibility to continue to grapple with with our history, and part of our history is
is a really lovely striving to be the
09:33:18 first plural democracy in the world and part of our history is that we've done that imperfectly, and that we continue to strive to do a better job of it. So that's the spirit
that I bring this
09:33:29 forward in 2021 the legislature adopted. juneteenth as a state holiday, and that was actually not didn't go into effect until July of last. year.
09:33:41 So this is the first year that Juneteenth is recognized as a state holiday as well.
09:33:44 So. we honor it as a formal holiday here in Jefferson County, and something happy to to kick this off with reading any, either of you want to say anything before we jump in.
09:33:57 No, I just appreciate pretty appreciate us putting this stake in the ground and saying that this is important to us and important to our community.
09:34:07 Yeah, this is an active holiday i'm really really glad to be early adopters, and this is one of those holidays where it's.
09:34:16 You know you have work to do still to to earn it.
09:34:19 So, alright i'll kick this off the population; whereas on June nineteenth, 1865, 2, and a half years after the signing of the emancipation, proclamation, Union soldiers arrived
in
09:34:32 Galveston, Texas, and proclaimed the last remaining slaves to be freed in the United States.
09:34:39 And whereas this day marks the emancipation of all slaves, the institution of slavery was still legal, and existed in the Union border States until the ratification of the thirteenth
amendment to the
09:34:48 Constitution of the United States on December the sixth, 1,865, which abolished slavery entirely in all of the Us.
09:34:57 States and Territories; and whereas since 1866 juneenth has been widely celebrated with cultural festivities to mark the end of a defining and painful era in us history, and
whereas millions of
09:35:11 enslaved Africans were brought to North America, where they were tortured and endured unthinkable tragedies resulting in trauma that has endured through generations, and whereas
freed slaves and their kin face
09:35:24 discrimination in nearly every aspect of life after emancipation, including access to housing, equal pay, the ability to vote, freedom to attend public schools, access to banking
and land purchase to name only a few and whereas the
09:35:37 wealth and economy of the United States was built on the backs of enslaved people and on the land of indigenous peoples.
09:35:45 The economic legacy of American racism has resulted in intractable poverty, due to lack of access to higher education, low rates of home ownership, and lack of investment in
African African American and other
09:35:58 disadvantaged communities. To this day this systemic economic discrimination has prevented the attainment of prosperity and American ideal for generations, and whereas systemic
racism is evident in the criminal
09:36:12 justice system, where for hundreds of years African Americans have far too often been unfairly profiled as offenders denied access to due process, and justice, given longer
sentences than their white counterparts, and occupy a
09:36:25 disproportionate chair of death at the hands of law, enforcement, jails, prisons, and Death row.
09:36:32 And whereas Jefferson County has, like most county, a history of racism dating from its inception as a result of the United States of America, colonizing the land of the indigenous
people, who stewarded these lands and
09:36:42 waters from time in memorial this clown chimicum Tuan. ask a coach, Mccarthy.
09:36:49 Ooz, that Sukamas, Quinol, and others.
09:36:53 And whereas racism lives on to this day across the Olympic peninsula, from over at acts like the predatory stopping and detaining of immigrants to the more subtle judgments
and
09:37:03 biases felt by black, indigenous, and other people of color.
09:37:06 Every day, and whereas many residents of Jefferson County and the United States are calling for reforming of systems that perpetuate the ongoing injustice and economic disparity,
that have defined our country, for
09:37:18 far too long, largely based on the color of one skin, and whereas in April the twentieth 21, the Washington State Legislature passed a bill making June team an official State
holiday.
09:37:31 Now. They're therefore the Jefferson County board of commissioners joins 49 States and countless jurisdictions, and proclaiming June nineteenth, 2,022 to be juneeenth a holiday
09:37:42 celebrating African American liberation in Jefferson county and call for all residents to you guys wanna share these, or I'll go for everybody. Honor the culture and contributions
that African Americans make to the fabric of our
09:37:58 society and communities learn about and reckon, and learn about and acknowledge the history and legacy of racism in the United States.
09:38:07 Recognize that confronting racism is an American act in our country's foundational aspirations to form a pluralistic democracy and a port more perfect union, identify the ways
that racism presists and
09:38:20 perpetuating poverty and violence, take personal responsibility to call out privilege and bias in ourselves, our communities, and our institutions, and recommit ourselves to
achieving the American ideal of a quality for all and recognition that until black
09:38:35 lives matter, we have fallen short of that promise, approved this thirteenth day of June the twentieth 22 by Ass.
09:38:46 Jefferson County Board of Commissioners great and i'm so glad that Grace Love has joined us.
09:38:51 Please. Thank you for being here this morning, and thank you for your help.
09:38:56 The last couple of years, and in trying to make this proclamation a little bit better each time, and again it's all a work in in progress.
09:39:03 But would you like to to say a few words I don't have much to say?
09:39:09 But yeah, Jefferson County definitely has a lot of work to do. and it's time to just be actively aware that you might be called out, even if you are trying to do the job.
09:39:22 That you feel like you're doing so I think it's just time to set aside any kind of
09:39:30 You know personal attack and just embrace that you're gonna be learning and being taught by people that are actively going through these processes and trying to navigate this
county specifically.
09:39:45 And just to respect that. And yeah, we got some work to do i'm ready to dive into it.
09:39:52 Great. Thank you. I appreciate that me, too, and it is.
09:39:56 It is hard work and and i'm very mindful of not wanting to ask too much of our our bipot community.
09:40:03 And yet we want to partner with you, and so continually trying to find the the best way to do that, and really appreciate your willingness to
09:40:13 Your patience with me, Grace, as we navigate this and
09:40:17 Well, we'll we'll we'll Keep trying I know you will.
09:40:23 I appreciate your effort. Trying is better than just passively letting things slide.
09:40:26 So amazing job on trying that's that's that's what we can ask for right now.
09:40:35 We we get beyond just trying i'm happy to make a motion to approve the proclamation as red today.
09:40:42 Okay, all in favor. Hi passes unanimously. Thank you for being with us today, Grace.
09:40:51 We appreciate it, of course. Thank you, Hardy. All right.
09:40:55 You guys take care, bye, and for the record Grace, love is from what organization.
09:41:02 Not not necessarily. any organization. Okay, thank you. Fantastic chefs of the world. I know so many incredible among others.
09:41:16 . Yeah. Okay. So getting back to the agenda.
09:41:22 So we are 4Â min until Dr. barry joins us I don't know.
09:41:29 I don't see here on the list yet. so we're gonna have a little bit anything that anyone wants to talk about.
09:41:36 Well, we have 4Â min I i'm assuming we're still in the air with Kptz
09:41:40 Hello, community out there. Thanks for being with us today. Is there anything that anyone wants to share for the larger community?
09:41:50 Now might be worth noting, that we will not be here next Monday.
09:41:55 Because of June tenth the holiday. and so our regular meeting will be on Tuesday, and we'll have to check with Dr.
09:42:01 Barry to see if she is available. to join us tuesday instead. That's Sometimes there's conflicts in the schedule.
09:42:07 But change like that, and I see she's here, now, Carolyn. if you want to bring her over, we can get going.
09:42:21 Okay.
09:42:21 Okay,
09:42:28 Good morning, Dr. Barry. We can get going a few minutes early this morning, because Kpd started rolling the tape early this morning, so .
09:42:38 I saw your long list of Kvd. Pvd listener questions, so we probably need the extra minutes this morning.
09:42:45 Well lovely to see you guys, and happy Happy to get rolling early.
09:42:49 So on the covid 19 front nationwide cases have largely plateaued that's led primarily by a decrease in cases that we're seeing in the northeast and the midwest that
09:43:00 we're hit by our way. our prior waves earlier in the West Coast.
09:43:06 We are actually continuing to see cases rise overall but that's driven primarily by California, where we're really seeing a rapid rise in cases that we hadn't seen it prior
there in Washington State as a whole we are
09:43:18 seeing cases, plateauing but similar to the national picture.
09:43:22 We are still seeing hospitalizations rise at the State wide level.
09:43:27 The good news is that in Jefferson County and Cleveland County we are not seeing that same picture.
09:43:32 So we are seeing a plateauing of our cases overall, but we have not seen that rise in hospitalizations that has been seen in other parts of the country, and that's consistent
with all 4 of the top 4
09:43:44 vaccinated counties in the state have seen this decoupling of hospitalization and cases, and so that's really hopeful that we're moving into a different phase in our region,
while we've seen incredibly high case
09:43:58 rates in our region. We have not seen. the the rise that we would have otherwise expected in hospitalizations, and which we're seeing in other parts of the country.
09:44:07 And so that's, very hopeful and we think Really, the primary driver of that is how vaccinated we? because, unfortunately, if you are not vaccinated, we are still seeing severe
disease. we're still seeing hospitalization,
09:44:20 we're unfortunately still seeing death. but because we're so well vaccinated, and so well boosted we're not seeing that same trend here.
09:44:26 It's very, very hopeful in Jefferson county as a whole.
09:44:30 Our case rates are up to 4,379 for our total cases diagnosed so far.
09:44:36 That puts our case rate at 800. and 73 per 100,000. That's a small rise from where we were at the end of last week, but not a very significant ones.
09:44:45 We are really starting to see a slowing of the rise in our region, and our percent positivity is 11% that is actually down from where it was before.
09:44:53 So we think we are moving in a more positive direction. We have no one currently hospitalized for COVID-19 in Jefferson County for a total of 132 hospitals.
09:45:03 In this response, and we have lost 30 of our citizens due to Covid 19.
09:45:07 That is up one from last week the last time I was speaking to you all, we did lose one of our citizens who was not boosted.
09:45:15 And so it's a critical reminder if you are over 65 in particular.
09:45:19 If you have not gotten your Booster it's really really important to get that, we are still seeing severe disease in our elders who are un boosted in Cleveland County, we haven't
gotten the numbers in yet
09:45:30 this morning from the team, so I apologize for that.
09:45:31 But as of Friday we were up to 13,160.
09:45:36 One cases that puts the cloud kind of case rate at 676 per 100,000 with a 12% positivity.
09:45:43 We do have 3 people currently hospitalized in Klam County for a total of 381, and we have last 113 of our citizens in Cloud County, due to Covid 19, and while we are the fourth
Mo
09:45:56 vaccinated county in cloud, and we are less vaccinated than Jefferson, and so we do tend to see slightly higher rates of hospitalization than we see in Jefferson, and those
are predominantly folks who are either
09:46:06 unvaccinated or un boosted and elderly.
09:46:10 So I think, while our case rates are very, very high.
09:46:13 There is some good news on the horizon for our region. I do think we are moving into a different phase of this response.
09:46:19 Where we will likely still see transmission in our community but we're less likely to see severe disease.
09:46:25 And we have the tools we need to prevent severe disease.
09:46:29 The Covid 19. So with that I am happy to take any questions from our commissioners, and then dive into our long list of Kptz questions too. Gregor.
09:46:40 Kate, do you have any questions for Dr. Barry? Hello!
09:46:43 Oh, go ahead. Okay. Thanks. Hey, Dr. Barry? Thanks for joining us.
09:46:48 Of an odd question, and this is as we move into a new phase of of the pandemic and this is a crane to me, as as you know, a lot of people around me, including in my family,
have had Covid
09:47:01 You know that the we would definitely promoted again and again the importance of isolation even at home, even from family members.
09:47:11 When testing positive. Is there any any talk about you I think about?
09:47:15 When I was a kid, and my mom was like I want all the kids done chicken box at the same time, and I'm finding now, like, even in my family, we have people on totally different
kind of immunity, schedules
09:47:24 because of vaccination and natural community due to infection?
09:47:29 Is there any talk about kind of like you know like less isolation, or allowing people to kind of have their family experience it together, and then be on the same schedule,
because it's really hard yeah, it is hard to
09:47:43 be on different schedules I know we've we've had breakthroughs in my family as we've talked about on this call, and so that has put us out of sync with each other and that is
that is
09:47:57 complex. I would say as far as whether or not we would decrease isolation.
09:48:02 There is already kind of some decreasing of isolation.
09:48:05 I think the level of isolation and quarantine we used to do before.
09:48:08 If you were anywhere near a covid case then you'd have to isolate for 14 days, we don't do that anymore.
09:48:15 If you're you know if you're up to date on your vaccinations, you don't have to quarantine at all, You just have to wear a mask, so I think we're already kind of scaling back
the degree
09:48:22 of isolation and quarantine. I have heard of some families who are well and vaccinated and boosted, who have decided to go ahead, and if one of them gets it, like say, a married
couple who are both well if one of them
09:48:34 gets it to not really isolate from each other So that they'll be somewhat in sync if they get a breakthrough infection. And I think that's not unreasonable.
09:48:44 I think the main thing to watch out for is anyone in your family, who is high risk of severe disease.
09:48:48 So if you have someone who's unvaccinated in your family really try to protect that person and anyone who is high risk because of their immune status or their age, really trying
to isolate away from them in particular I
09:49:01 think that can be kind of a risk mitigation option for your family.
09:49:06 And particularly from a public health standpoint, what we look at is making sure that you're not bringing Covid into those high risk settings.
09:49:14 So making sure you're not going to visit family and long-term care, you're going to visit folks at the jail places where Alpha can be very bad.
09:49:22 That's really one of our highest priorities we also really want to protect our schools.
09:49:27 We know that many of our kids are in school and unmasked at this point, and we want them to finish the school year.
09:49:32 They've had too many disruptions in their life and So while I, as a parent, I know how difficult it is to keep your kid out of school or daycare when they're sick it's really
important to do so because we
09:49:45 don't want to have a massive outbreak that's gonna keep kids from going to their graduation.
09:49:50 So really trying to be mindful of quarantine and isolation protocols in those spaces.
09:49:58 In particular. Great. Do you have? Question: Yeah, most of mine are addressed in the Kptz question.
09:50:04 So I might follow up on those But i'll different so yeah, a lot of these were about really this next phase in the pandemic.
09:50:10 I think a lot of us really knew what to do when things were terrible and dangerous.
09:50:14 And now, how do we navigate transitioning into this next phase, where we focus on?
09:50:22 My recommendation is to focus on. How do we make our community resilient to this virus?
09:50:25 Because it is endemic now. And so that was a question that came up.
09:50:29 What is endemic, even mean and you'll see it thrown around a lot in media and some there is a real definition.
09:50:38 So in epidemiology, endemic just means that it a virus or some other pathogen is persistent.
09:50:44 It means it's with us now it's not going away anytime soon.
09:50:49 And that's true of covid it's not going away anytime soon.
09:50:52 It's gonna be here, and so how do we figure out how to live with it in a way that protects the vulnerable in our society, and also helps our society continue to function.
09:51:04 Sometimes folks have used the term endemic to mean that It is mild now, and that's not true.
09:51:08 Endemic does not change to mild endemic just means persistent.
09:51:13 So things like malaria are endemic to certain parts of our world, and none of us want to get malaria.
09:51:20 That doesn't mean you never go to those places but it does mean you take precautions when you do
09:51:25 So you might take medication to prevent you from getting malaria.
09:51:28 You're gonna wear long sleeve clothes you're gonna plan for reducing your exposure to mosquitoes.
09:51:34 It's A very similar idea with covid covid can be incredibly severe, especially for the unvaccinated and the highly vulnerable.
09:51:40 Those who are very elderly, and who have underlying immunosuppressing conditions.
09:51:45 And so how do we take precautions as a people and a society to reduce its transmission where we can, without over suppressing the things that we need in our society?
09:51:55 And so that means things like getting vaccinated and getting boasted.
09:51:59 That's a major thing you can do to protect yourself and others things like wearing a mask and indoor settings.
09:52:03 That's a thing that we can do and but it we don't have to do the same things we did in the beginning before we had the vaccine in the vex before we had the vaccine we had to
shut
09:52:14 everything down, because this virus was so deadly, and we had no protection.
09:52:20 Now we have protection, and so we can start to look at our mitigation measures and figure out what what can persist?
09:52:28 What can we keep doing? and what can we not and so and it's become a bit more of an individual decision, too.
09:52:34 It used to be that we all had to mask nothing else.
09:52:39 We didn't have any other tools, but we have other tools, Now we have found that if you are vaccinated and boosted against COVID-19, if you have a functioning immune system,
you are very well protected against severe
09:52:49 disease. and that's that's fantastic that's the biggest thing that we have done as a society in quite some time.
09:52:56 But there are still vulnerable citizens in our society.
09:52:59 So how do we protect them? And so for me that that places out that I do wear a mask and indoor settings?
09:53:06 It's not really tricky for me it doesn't cause me any problems, and it's something I can do to protect others and protect myself.
09:53:12 I certainly have gotten vaccinated, and boosted that's something I can do, but I will still do things that matter to me. and so it depends on the person of what what those most
important things are So one person asks you is
09:53:26 it safe to go to church. church is a big group of people who are indoors. But there are ways to make it safer.
09:53:32 So hopefully You've gotten vaccinated and boosted that's the first big thing and then wear a high quality mask in church.
09:53:38 So if I was gonna be going into a worship space in which there were, say, 200 other people who are going to be close together, and the windows were closed, and it was not great
ventilation.
09:53:48 I'd wear a can any 5 or higher because that way i'm protected in that space.
09:53:53 So there are ways to continue the activities that bring meaning to our lives and to make them as safe as possible.
09:53:59 I would definitely keep masking in indoor settings.
09:54:02 When we have this much transmission going on but it won't always be this way.
09:54:07 We will see less transmission over time and then we won't have to mask as much in those kind of settings.
09:54:13 So the the first question was about church. the biggest thing, I would Say, is, we're a high quality wear high quality mask in there, and then you can go to church.
09:54:20 You can participate in those activities that matter to you.
09:54:26 Many churches have decided to unmask certain members of the congregation from perhaps the minister or the soloist, or even the choir.
09:54:35 And that is okay as long as you are in a high quality mask.
09:54:38 So. in truth, if you have a high enough quality mask it doesn't really matter what the people around you are doing it that will protect you.
09:54:46 And so if the choir is unmasked, but you are in a K.
09:54:49 95 or higher, it's still a safe activity for you to participate in. The only other thing to think through is your own personal risk profile.
09:54:57 So you know, if you're if you're otherwise relatively, well, even if your elderly, you wear that high-quality mask your vaccineager boosted, you can go forward if you are
09:55:07 immunosuppressed you're currently receiving chemotherapy.
09:55:09 Then I might take a little bit more precaution.
09:55:15 As far as your own protection, and try to keep your spaces, maybe a little more ventilated a little more outdoors, and maybe smaller crowds, just to make sure that we're protecting
you especially potentially try to go to
09:55:26 places where everybody else is masked. That will help kind of add that layer of protection for you.
09:55:33 This next question, I think, is a really important and interesting one.
09:55:37 So this person says I had heard that 40% of positive cases are in people who are truly asymptomatic.
09:55:43 Is that true? And so that data point started getting shared really early in the pandemic, and that came from back when we were all using Pcr Tests to test for Covid 19.
09:55:54 And it was interesting at a time, because in Column county we were heavily contact.
09:55:59 Tracing all of our cases. we were. We were up to over a 1,000 cases while we were still intensely contact tracing, and we were seeing, maybe less than 10 asymptomatic people.
09:56:08 So that was weird. and that wasn't squaring with the data that we were seeing at the national level.
09:56:15 And what we found is that much of that number of asymptomatic cases was Pcr.
09:56:21 Tests that were done on people who were currently asymptomatic.
09:56:24 But they either went on to develop symptoms. so they were pre symptomatic, or it was actually a past infection.
09:56:30 So we were catching the prolonged shedding of virus for someone who had an infection a month or 2 ago, because what we found in our contact, tracing and clam is all of these
asymptomatic
09:56:40 people. they never gave it to anyone. and that was because it was a past infection. they'd had covid a month or 2 ago, and we've missed it. and so it that really changed the
game for us, and how we
09:56:53 prevent this, so asymptomatic transmission is very, very uncommon.
09:56:57 Pre symptomatic transmission is so that's in the first 2 days before you develop symptoms.
09:57:05 You can give Covid to other people that's been the the kind of the truth of Covid.
09:57:09 This whole time. What then? Changed The game again? was vaccination.
09:57:14 So until vaccination. You were most contagious in the first 2 days before you developed your symptoms.
09:57:21 But now that we have the vaccine, what we've seen is those viral loads go up later in your course, and your symptoms start sooner, and so we don't see anywhere near the rate
of pre-ymptomatic
09:57:32 transmission in vaccinated people, and that we think is a big driver, and why we don't see so much transmission from vaccinated people.
09:57:39 Because you know you're sick previously you were sharing it with 1020 people before you even developed any symptoms.
09:57:46 But once you're. vaccinated we don't see that as much anymore. you know nothing's a 100%, but it's much much less common.
09:57:54 So the staying home when you're sick part works so much better as a vaccinated person.
09:57:58 If you're unablecated, you can still shed a ton of virus before you know you're sick.
09:58:03 But if you're fully vaccinated, really the key to preventing transmission to others is staying home when you're sick, stay home until you feel better.
09:58:10 Do test, figure out it's covid test again. if your symptoms are persisting more than a day.
09:58:17 But that's really a huge part of our infection prevention that became possible due to vaccination.
09:58:24 Just a couple. Well, quite a few more we'll see you how many we can get through.
09:58:29 This next person was talking a bit about endemic, and so pandemic means persistent.
09:58:34 It also has commonly taken on the terminology of that it doesn't lead to the level of societal breakdown that we expect from a pandemic ie it's maybe even hard to remember but
remember
09:58:47 last fall, when we had so much covid and so many hospitalizations that our hospital couldn't take care of the people coming to it, not just for Covid, but we couldn't take care
of people who were having
09:58:59 strokes we didn't have an any ambulance rigs left, so we didn't have the ability to drive you somewhere else, because all the rigs were full of people who were sick.
09:59:08 That's the level of societal shutdown we talk about with pandemics that was when we were seeing critical infrastructure shutdown.
09:59:15 The people who manage your lights had so much covid that we were having trouble maintaining basic services that's pandemic level disruption endemic doesn't mean that it has
no problems associated with it. and no effect.
09:59:28 On your life. This person talked about that they're not going to restaurants, and that that's a pretty significant effect on their life.
09:59:36 And that's true endemic by viruses can still affect you.
09:59:40 So for the malaria example, if you're traveling to a country where there's malaria, you that will affect how you interact with that landscape.
09:59:46 You might come in at night for example, you're gonna wear long sleeves.
09:59:50 You're gonna spray your clothes you take a lot of steps to protect yourself, and it does affect your life.
09:59:56 I can't say that covid is going to stop affecting our life anytime.
10:00:00 Soon. In fact, it would be unwise to act like it's not but it.
10:00:06 It is on track to affect us much less. it's on track to not break down our society. we're we're on track to have services functional for us.
10:00:17 But we do still recommend taking precautions to reduce that transmission rate.
10:00:22 This person says: if a person drives to a city to visit several vaccinated and boosted people staying overnight eating indoors kind of generally being around a lot of folks
how long should they isolate after they get
10:00:33 home so technically, if you're a vaccine there's no travel quarantine requirement anymore.
10:00:40 That's something that we've phased out as things have gotten better.
10:00:42 But if you're trying to be particularly cautious you know that you've had a significant exposure.
10:00:48 You've seen a ton of folks in a way that you don't normally the safest thing would be to limit your your exposure to others for about 5 days after you get home.
10:00:56 You don't need to isolate at home but limit your exposure to other high risk.
10:01:00 Folks for about 5 days, and then test before you start engaging with those folks again. If you do that, you're gonna be very, very safe.
10:01:07 There's no requirement to quarantine after travel but if you're.
10:01:11 It sounds like this person's very safe and wants to continue to be so.
10:01:14 So 5 days should come, and then a test and if you're asymptomatic you can move forward.
10:01:19 Did I see, Mr. Breton? Yeah, I I just, you know, with the infection rate that we have right now.
10:01:26 It seems like every day I get a notification that you know You've been.
10:01:31 You were in close contact with someone that was exposed and I I guess I don't know what should I do about that?
10:01:36 At this point. What did anyone do about that that warning is there?
10:01:38 What's the best practice? so I am also in a similar space? that I get notifications relatively frequently. but I've been around someone who had covid I think it should inform
your awareness of how much
10:01:50 Covid is out there. so one person later? down asked you know what's the probability that I pick up covid in a restaurant?
10:01:57 So right Now, say you're in a restaurant that has 25 people.
10:02:00 There's a 21% chance that someone in there has Covid which is quite high.
10:02:06 So you are likely coming across Covid in your day.
10:02:10 How that informs my practice is I wear a good mask when i'm around folks that's the biggest thing I do differently.
10:02:16 I don't quarantine after receiving those notices because i'm vaccinated and boosted and well protected.
10:02:23 But it does help me. know that there's still a lot of transmission in our community, and I think that's really really the trigger.
10:02:30 It's just to know that that happens and help inform our mask behavior.
10:02:38 All right. Moving forward, this next person asked if if the vaccines for children under 5 get approved in the next few weeks.
10:02:48 Where can we go to get them as soon as possible. So I was just done a call this morning with Jefferson healthcare, and we're making plans for how to make sure that those vaccines
are accessible.
10:02:57 These vaccines are a little different than the ones that came before.
10:03:01 Same same same vaccine structure, but different group of people that were vaccinating.
10:03:08 So vaccinating infants is just a very different story than vaccinating adults.
10:03:11 And so we aren't going to be doing the kind of mass vaccinations that we did before, just because it just doesn't work for very small people.
10:03:17 So the primary folks delivering vaccine, if this gets approved, will be Jefferson Healthcare and Jefferson County.
10:03:24 Public health. We do have the ability to vaccinate very small people in both of those spaces, but it's not going to be what you might have gotten used to when we vaccine adults
where we had hundreds of people in a
10:03:34 Gym. we don't do that with very small people as we get closer.
10:03:38 We're looking at potentially as early as the last week of June would be when the vaccine becomes available.
10:03:43 If it gets approved. So as we get closer that time we'll be posting on our website and on Jefferson County, Jefferson healthcare's website for more information about where to
access the vaccine and
10:03:54 what numbers to call all those kind of things. So those should be coming out in the next week or 2. as we get closer.
10:04:02 A couple other things. So this person asks how how safe is it to socialize in friends homes with, say, 5 to 6 people?
10:04:12 All are at least vaccinated. some aren't boosted, some kind of stay at home.
10:04:16 Some are really out there in the community, Right? and I would say the safety designation depends on 2 things.
10:04:22 One is your own personal health So if you're well you're vaccinated and boosted you don't have any significant underlying conditions. meeting up with folks who are out in the
community being around a lot of folks
10:04:34 there is some possibility you might pick up covid in that interaction.
10:04:40 But there's very low likelihood that something's really bad will happen to you.
10:04:44 And if everybody's vaccinated as we talked about we don't see as much pre symptomatic transmission, so they're likely to know if they get sick and they're less likely to bring
it to you so if you're meeting up with people
10:04:54 you trust, you know they're not gonna show up if they have the sniffles. it's a relatively safe thing to do.
10:05:01 The safest thing is, if you guys all have similar risk behaviors.
10:05:05 So if you have friends who are also, you have limiting their outside interactions.
10:05:08 That kind of hard setup that we had before so if you're high risk.
10:05:12 If you're 75 you've got multiple underlying Co.
10:05:17 Conditions. you really want to protect yourself, I would still try to keep that circle small, and with folks who have similar safe behaviors.
10:05:24 But if you're wanting to expand, that bubble a little bit, if you're vaccinated, especially vaccinated and boosted, the price that you're gonna see that level of pre symptomatic
transmission goes down quite a bit and so that makes it a lot
10:05:34 safer. couple other things, this person said. I heard that some older people who get Kovat end up with long term symptoms.
10:05:44 How often does that happen? So I this sounds like a question that's about Long Covid.
10:05:50 So long, Covid can happen regardless of your age, young old, anybody can get long covid
10:05:57 The severe forms of long covid where we're seeing really persistent disability happens.
10:06:02 What we see so far in about 5% of cases of covid, which is a lot that's a lot of us prolonged symptoms that are less severe, like a prolonged cough things like that persist
10:06:12 in about 20% of people who have covid, but those do generally resolve within about 2 to 3 months after their after their initial infection.
10:06:21 Long Covid is less common, much less common, in people who are vaccinated, because it does seem to correlate with severity of infection.
10:06:29 But it can still happen to fully vaccinated people, and is another thing to keep in mind when we think about protecting ourselves and others from Covid. more common in vaccinated
in unvaccinated folks to get long
10:06:41 covid because of that severe disease, and it can happen regardless of your name.
10:06:48 So if that's another good reason to make sure we've vaccinate even people who aren't high risk.
10:06:54 So our young folks who might not have otherwise gotten vaccinated part of what you're doing, that for is to protect them against long Covid.
10:07:02 This this couple had a somewhat discordant infection.
10:07:06 It looks like So there has been contracted Covid 19 before he was boosted.
10:07:10 Does it make sense to get boosted now? And I would say yes.
10:07:13 At this point we do really recommend completing the full series.
10:07:16 So all 3 shots the primary series and the booster. So if you've recovered if it's more than 10 days after your symptom onset you're feeling all the way well again you can go
ahead and get
10:07:27 boosted right away. The other partner in this couple contracted Covid after their booster.
10:07:34 So they've had 3 shots, and un infection and they want to know if they should get a second booster, and I would say it's not gonna hurt, but it's also not clear that it's gonna
help you very much if
10:07:44 you've completed your series and you've had covid you have pretty good immunity.
10:07:48 Especially for the first 90 days after your infection. You can really feel comfortable engaging with society, because the probability of picking up Kovat is quite well.
10:07:59 After that 90 days we still have a we're still gathering more data about what that would look like.
10:08:04 After that point, but full series and boosted anna and a infection that's very good coverage, and I don't think it's necessary to get another vaccine after that.
10:08:19 It sounds like this, this person said that on the Kpc website.
10:08:22 There's some confused, messaging we were talking about plateauing, and that we're not seeing the level of hospitalization here last week, but apparently on the website.
10:08:31 They were saying that the Kovat 19 death rates for people over 65 have risen under the omicron search, and that's true.
10:08:38 When you look nationwide at our data. but that is specifically for unbaccinated people.
10:08:46 We are not seeing a search in hospitalization and death in vaccinated folks, especially if you've if you're over 65, and you've gotten your booster, we're not seeing that severe
disease so most important thing to protect
10:08:55 yourself get vaccinated. get boosted but then you don't have to be as afraid I know, for our citizens over 65.
10:09:03 This has been a very scary couple of years, and so when you see headlines like that it can make you really nervous.
10:09:07 If you're vaccinated and boosted even if you're over 65, we're not seeing surges in severe.
10:09:14 And so you are well protected right let's see we talked a little bit about pres symptomatic transmission already.
10:09:24 This next person sounds like it's being very very cautious, they said, spreading the virus, is their main concern.
10:09:30 I'm fully vaccinated i've gotten 2 boosters and 2 boosters. I don't travel.
10:09:33 I don't eat inside in restaurants I have been in the movies, but with a mask on, and I've been a church with a mask on.
10:09:38 Does it sound like i'm taking enough precautions and I would say, Yes, it sounds like you're being incredibly safe.
10:09:45 I think you're doing all the right things it also sounds like it would be okay to gently expand your bubble.
10:09:52 I think it's important. if you want to it's important to remember that masks work really well high quality masks. Can 90 fives work really well.
10:10:02 So if you wanted to start going in more indoor things with your high quality mask given that you're vaccinated double boosted, that would be okay, So if you're interested in
expanding that bubble a bit you can't if you want
10:10:12 to travel and wear your high quality mask. you can getting vaccinated and boosted, wearing a mask.
10:10:20 Those things work really well to provide contracting and transmitting Covid in those settings you can start, expand that bubble if you feel comfortable doing so.
10:10:30 So this person asks about the probability of picking up Covid.
10:10:34 If they go to a restaurant. We touched on that briefly.
10:10:37 So yeah, standard restroom size about 21 to 25% chance that someone in there has Kovat.
10:10:43 That's how much covid we have in our community right now that doesn't mean you can't go and it doesn't mean it's a 100% likely that you're gonna get it this person asked about
Well, what if the
10:10:51 restaurant required that everyone be fully vaccinated so we do see that you're 50% less likely to get covid.
10:10:58 If you're fully vaccinated, and thereby 50% less likely to give it to others.
10:11:04 We also learned about pre-ymptomatic transmission today.
10:11:06 So you decreased likelihood that someone in that space has Covid.
10:11:11 If they're requiring vaccination most places around here aren't anymore.
10:11:14 But some are, and so that would be a safer restaurant to go to, and of course the safest option is to eat outdoors the weather is finally getting better. and so it's very safe
to go to outdoor
10:11:26 dining and and kind of participate in support our local restaurants.
10:11:32 Couple. So just last one we made it through the list of things.
10:11:36 The last one was a person who was talking about they have elderly parents, and they're likely to need to move into some more assisted living or long-term care in the next coming
years, and they wanted to figure out how to do that
10:11:46 as safely as possible. They were particularly talking about ventilation, so some of kind of our older buildings are drafty, and thereby actually have a little bit ventilation.
10:11:57 Better ventilation than some of our really high-tech eco-friendly buildings.
10:12:00 And so they wanted to know how much ventilation should play into their decision making.
10:12:06 And I would say it is good to check on ventilation.
10:12:10 Eco-friendly buildings can have good ventilation, too.
10:12:13 It just depends on their hvac system. so if they have a good Hvac system. They have good filtration on that Hvac system.
10:12:19 They should be able to provide excellent ventilation in that indoor space.
10:12:23 So it's reasonable to ask them about what their ventilation system looks like the other big thing I would look at if I had a family member who was going into long-term care
in the next year.
10:12:35 Or so is, I would ask them about their covid experience, what it was like for them there, what kind of outbreaks they had, what their covid protocols look like?
10:12:44 We have seen. Unfortunately, Covid has really laid bear how poorly supported so many of our long-term care.
10:12:52 Facilities are many are tragically understaffed underfunded, and we're not able to respond well to covid 19, and we lost people because of that some of our other long-term care.
10:13:05 Facilities have been better better able to weather this storm and usually it's been because they treat their staff really well, and so they're able to retain high quality staff.
and They pay them adequately, and that's been huge they
10:13:18 have good sick leave time, and that means that their staff are less likely to come to work sick, less likely to give covid to others.
10:13:24 So it's been a very variable experience in different spaces
10:13:27 I would check it with anywhere you're thinking about sending your your family members, based on how their experience has been how safe they've been.
10:13:36 And then also, how do they attend to the mental health and well-being of their residents?
10:13:41 Too many of our long-term care facilities have worked really hard to make sure that residents still have a meaningful life experience, but do so safely. so.
10:13:48 I'd have all those conversations before you commit to one place or another, and that is all the kptz questions any other questions from our Commissioners.
10:13:59 I don't have any gregor kate do you have any additional questions.
10:14:06 Oh, you're on mute you're muted stuff I guess a little one.
10:14:11 With the the proclivity for reinfection is the concept of herd and unity not apply to It's always.
10:14:22 It's always going to be temporary is that right is that where we are. Yeah.
10:14:24 So what we have unfortunately seen with covid is that it is a rapidly mutating virus, and so its ability to reinfect folks who have had prior infection, who have even been fully
vaccinated is likely to keep happening we're likely
10:14:38 to keep getting Covid And so this push that we heard from kind of a wide variety of the political spectrum.
10:14:47 That if we just all go get Covid, then this will stop.
10:14:50 Is not true because you can get reinfected and what we're really seeing in this most recent wave is that if you don't have immunity from vaccination.
10:15:00 If you're only immunity is from prior infection we're still seeing severe disease in that group, and so the prolonged protection against severe disease from prior infection,
doesn't seem to be holding up so you really
10:15:11 want to get all the immunity that's available to you right now, which is, get the vaccine get boosted.
10:15:17 We don't encourage you to go get covid there's a lot of other complexities related to that risk of long covid risk of giving it to other people.
10:15:23 So we don't want you to do that but get all the safe immunity.
10:15:26 You can, and then that should help you feel more confident navigating your world, knowing that if you do get infected, the likelihood of it being very severe as low and very
soon we hope we will have the vaccine available for
10:15:39 the rest of our young people, so that soon we hope there will be a day where all of our citizens have had a the vaccine, and that can really change the dynamic going forward.
10:15:49 Great, thank you, i'm curious in the reinfection that we are seeing.
10:15:55 Is it getting any less severe? folks who have had one infection?
10:15:59 And then followed by another, their trends there if it's just prior infection.
10:16:06 In this way we're not seeing as much reduction in severity.
10:16:12 In the most recent mutation. to the the b 2 subset we're not seeing as much reduction in severity, if it's just from priority.
10:16:19 But if you've had covid vaccines then you've been infected we aren't seeing re-infections very often we're a little too soon for that but we would anticipate
10:16:29 that we would see less of your disease. believe've talked about this a little bit on this call before, but good to reiterate for those who are listening when I say less severe
disease.
10:16:37 What I mean is you're not hospitalized you're not on a ventilator. I think often when we talk about less of your disease, people think that means going to be fine It's gonna
feel like a mild cold for many of
10:16:48 us who have had Covid recently. it can still be very unpleasant.
10:16:55 Many people describe really significant, flu-like symptoms in room really being knocked flat for a week or more.
10:17:01 So it's it's a it's a strong virus it's impressive what it can do even if you're fully vaccinated.
10:17:07 And so for me, looking at how that's affected you know my coworkers, and my family.
10:17:14 It really brings home how to be this could have been before we had the vaccine available, and i'm so glad that you know my my circle is well vaccinated, and so we haven't had
to experience some of that
10:17:26 but I know we've we've tracked very carefully.
10:17:31 Our residents who have ended up in the hospital once but months there, or even died. Covid is a really serious virus.
10:17:37 The less of your version feels like a bad case of the flu.
10:17:41 Go. I have one question kind of a about long, Covid.
10:17:45 How long does long Covid last? some of I, a friend of mine, who contracted Covid very early on like in March of 2020 seems to be doing great now.
10:18:07 Oh, is there a Is there a trend or a Have you heard other people reporting kind of coming out of Long Covid?
10:18:09 You know it's highly variable and it's something we're gonna need to study a lot more.
10:18:14 There's the folks who tend to have persistent but frustrating, but relatively mild symptoms that last for months afterwards, and those folks we've tend to see improve.
10:18:23 We have also seen folks who have really severe symptoms that have lasted for years.
10:18:29 And we're gonna continue to study it and I hope we get more and more data soon.
10:18:34 But some of what we're seeing there in that kind of persistent disability is really kind of damaged that the original virus did so.
10:18:42 We've seen people who had bad cases of myo karditis from the virus. they've damaged their heart, and some of those folks are likely never gonna fully recover from what happened.
10:18:53 But many folks do after a period of months, so we had a person in our county that was hospitalized for over 6 months.
10:19:02 They had a very bad course of covid 19 and they've been struggling.
10:19:05 They've been moving through rehab but they have been improving and they've been moving in a more positive direction.
10:19:11 So I would say, don't give up hope if you are one of the folks assisting you who has Long Covid definitely engaged with the health care system, so that we can make sure and
get you the best treatments that we have
10:19:20 available to support you, but we're learning more every day and many people do recover.
10:19:25 We just don't know what that proportion is going to be.
10:19:31 Thank you. I reiterate my my question just from last week.
10:19:33 I think it was maybe the week before, but you know as we get into the endemic stage.
10:19:39 I i'm really interested in understanding what we learn about the other, the social and emotional impacts.
10:19:45 You know it feels like every school age Kid has lost a year of academic progress at the very least.
10:19:51 But I would just love to be that to be on your on your radar, too, for keeping us updated on on the other.
10:20:00 Kind of the collateral impacts. so we can make sure that we do what we can to address those as well. Yeah, absolutely.
10:20:08 I think it is really important and we are in the phase where we're seeing a lot of that kind of the social emotional challenges the behavioral health challenges related to covid
and we're just getting to the point where
10:20:19 we have bandwidth and a staff to start kind of digging into that data more, too.
10:20:25 And so I think that is a point of interest. We interestingly saw a presentation from
10:20:32 Cowets County on our State health officer call last week.
10:20:34 Looking at that kind of comparing more mortality due to overdoses and mortality due to suicides, took mortality due to Covid.
10:20:43 Interesting thing they found, at least in Calyx County was their mortality due to Covid was 10 times that due to the behavioral health, losses
10:20:51 And so it's what we're seeing so far is that Covid was still bad enough on its own that it was worth the mitigation.
10:20:59 But that doesn't mean we we ignore these other severe issues that we can also support.
10:21:04 And I would say, if you have young people in your life who are dealing with the effects of Covid, as most of our young people are, the most positive thing for them is a stable
adult who is interested in how they feel and a
10:21:19 stable routine. And so, if you can be that stable adult who will hear them out and will share and kind of just give them space to tell you how they feel to the extent they do
doing so, that really helps and the more that you can
10:21:31 maintain a stable routine for them as much as possible, and the more you can be open and honest with them kids need to know that they have someone who will tell them what's
happening adjusted to their developmental stage But
10:21:46 if even hearing what you don't know hearing that kind of consistent message from the adults in their life who make them feel safe, and who make them feel heard, is the best
way to build resilience in kids that sounds great I guess I
10:21:57 would just also point out that it reading through the question from Kptz, the subtext and a lot of them is folks that are trying to be responsible and do the right things are
also really still hunkered down and I think those
10:22:09 impacts harder to identify than some of some of the ones with with our school age kids.
10:22:15 But there's they're important as well yeah and so I think my encouragement for those of us in our community is that if you're fully vaccinated and boosted, it it is okay to
start slowly expanding that
10:22:28 bubble go slow. you know. Test it out. See what makes you feel comfortable, but also think through what are the activities that bring you the most meaning and joy.
10:22:38 So for many people that is church and so if going to churches that space for you make sure you got a good quality mask and dip your toe back in if you know for me.
10:22:49 It's seeing my family so it's seeing my Mom at seeing my brother seeing the people that matter to me and having those in interactions.
10:22:55 And so i've made sure to bring that back into my life Look at what brings your life meaning and stability and comfort, and start expanding that back, and you can do so safely.
10:23:04 It is possible to do it
10:23:09 Yes, Commissioner Dean. Yeah, Just so, because we often forget to talk about this next Monday is the Junete holiday, .
10:23:20 And so we will not be here on monday and wondering if you'll be able to join us on Tuesday.
10:23:27 I have a commitment until 10 am if it's possible to scoot it back by about 15Â min.
10:23:31 Then I could just go through that. thank you for asking. juggling.
10:23:43 2 counties has its complexities. one county has its complexities.
10:23:53 Well, so it's 1023 and I will he's not with us.
10:23:56 This week. So I guess we are gonna end early, alright, and give give Kptz some radio time back.
10:24:06 Thank you, Dr. Barry. Have a good day
10:24:14 I'm: Okay, so I know our next item agenda item is at 1045.
10:24:19 We have a hearing but until then, do we wanna just continue with some briefing.
10:24:25 Or do you guys need a break i'm so bad about giving you guys breaks?
10:24:30 You know I will need a break before the hearing at some point.
10:24:32 Okay, would you rather take an hour and 20Â min or so or 15Â min?
10:31:32 So we are
10:31:40 Okay, It looks like We're live again on av capture and I will call us back to order, and we have about 15Â min until we have a our public hearing.
10:31:52 Do we wanna do some more briefing
10:32:01 Who wants to continue us alone i'm signing a big stack of papers here.
10:32:09 So if someone else wants to start, I could finish up I can start
10:32:19 Let's see as we said most of our our quite a bit of our week last week for Heidi and I was in Olympia and Mason County, Thursday, and Mason county at timber counties Timber
100 and
10:32:32 one train we can go into. that a little bit more I really do want to get some some of the slide decks to share to really dive in.
10:32:40 But let's see what else worked on the ourfp on Tuesday work with Peggy Webster from the Housing Fund board on the Rp.
10:32:49 For 15 9, as well as a good presentation that she's prepared that will will share the housing fund board about kind of the housing continuum, and which agencies which agencies
work on kind of which which section of the of the
10:33:04 housing continuum you know from 0 to 60 that's largely kind of the government's responsibility and social service agencies at 80 to 120% that's so tricky so we'll talk more
about
10:33:15 that, and we flesh that out a little bit, went out and and met the new manager of the fairgrounds on Tuesday as well, and that was great.
10:33:24 Seems like lots of creative engagement with the community right now, and accept that We're gonna have a fair and it looks like
10:33:33 His intention, at least, is to really open up economy with the community as to how else the the fairgrounds can be used throughout the year.
10:33:41 So glad to see that moving forward. I actually missed the quill.
10:33:48 Seen how our teams coalition had some personal stuff going on on Wednesday we had our Orca meeting the Olympic region.
10:33:57 Clean air agency, and that was great come on in guys we're we're we're open session and no huge plan.
10:34:09 We did pass the budget and it's an aggressive budget taking care of some deferred maintenance and working on technology at Orca.
10:34:15 But it's well covered by the we're We're gonna do a 5% increase on fees and a 4% increase in salaries met to work on the board of health agenda for this week, and we actually
10:34:33 have Orca coming out to make the presentation kind of Orca, 101 for the Board of Health this Thursday, and then met with some constituents in on Wednesday afternoon.
10:34:45 And then, as I said, Yeah, Thursday and Friday was all all timber all day, timber, timber, and carbon.
10:34:50 And I I had to miss the behavioral Health Consortium meeting because I was at the timber meeting.
10:34:55 So that was my last week. Great Kate, do you want to go?
10:35:04 Sure. Yeah, let's See tuesday we're on a number of issues so far, and the diversity of things will work out in a given day.
10:35:14 Looking at my calendar. it's like okay work for stability meeting.
10:35:19 Interesting that West sound stem network science, technology, e engineering, math.
10:35:28 They are opening a satellite office on the Olympic Peninsula to serve Jackson and Columb counties better.
10:35:35 So That's great. We wanna as usual try to ensure that we get some real local priorities there.
10:35:45 And that is based in kitzap So you know you're hiring an assistant director for that, and really hope we get some good local interest and Yeah, so that we can share that that
local perspective on workforce development
10:36:00 here we are quite different than Kit Staff in our in our workforce.
10:36:04 So it'll be working working on worked on the your advisory committee trying to get that to advertisement out for the vacancy on that session really helping to get somebody representing
commerce.
10:36:17 Or you know, businesses that are affected and dependent on the ferry system.
10:36:23 So that posting is now live we're with a little bit with the kerry height city of Port Townsend.
10:36:30 There's there's as we talked about in the Icg.
10:36:33 Meeting just by number of jurisdictions in seeking, looking into the feasibility of community wellness and aquatic facility, so trying to just get some initial ideas and feelers
out of who who should be engaged in
10:36:50 that conversation, including community members, of course, and then spent the afternoon in a strategic planning retreat for the North Olympic Development Council.
10:36:59 Which was very good came to some agreement on kind of the the value proposition of that organization, and it's it's always tricky, because that organization's serves as both
a kind of a gap filler
10:37:13 opportunistic doing projects that there's not another obvious person who should be advancing efforts, and yet that makes it hard to be strategic.
10:37:25 And so trying to to find the right balance there.
10:37:30 But pretty good consensus among the Executive Board participated event strategic planning.
10:37:38 Wednesday and Thursday I was in Everett with the pew to some partnership Leadership Council very long, and couple of days of meetings.
10:37:47 One of the primary themes are kind of 2, that Egypt being related.
10:37:52 But the funding mechanisms and the permitting processes for restoration projects.
10:38:01 Often end up being that's detrimental to projects.
10:38:06 It takes so long to get all the different pieces of funding you have to manage so many different funders and priorities, and reporting and that the match and sequence of those
is often really challenging.
10:38:19 And then, even if you can get to that point, then getting the through permitting from all the different local state and Federal agencies, ends up being a real barrier to doing
good work.
10:38:31 And So you had some local jurisdictions talking about the challenges and work that they're trying to do.
10:38:36 Hit the colonel, from the army core of engineer there, talking about how they are trying to streamline their processes to make permitting easier.
10:38:47 But you know the Monty can probably speak to some of those challenges, too.
10:38:51 So it was great to hear commitment from the State and the Feds to be partners in in really looking at how those systems interact with one another and being responsive to the
the good work that everyone's trying
10:39:08 to get done. let's see we did pass a new action agenda.
10:39:14 If I have your action agenda, the the to some partnership as a State agency, and we are required by statute to create the recovery plan for Puget sounds every 5 years, and so
that has been in process for the last couple
10:39:25 of years. and we approved it last Wednesday, and that from that will flow, you know, literally tens of millions of dollars.
10:39:37 Projects. to complete that plan. So the competitive process for that will be released in mid July.
10:39:48 So we should definitely be keeping our eyes out and seeing what priorities Jefferson County could help advance.
10:39:57 Trying to see anything else should report on there. those are the highlights from those couple of days, and then Riot had a good meeting with
10:40:13 Our lobbyists in Olympia and Dc.
10:40:16 Monty was on that call with me. We did get the good news today that Senator can well included the put headlock sewer, and her appropriations are directly commercially directed,
spending requests, which is great so another 3
10:40:29 1 million dollars hopefully coming down the pike through that, your mark process. And I think that was largely my week. Great update.
10:40:42 Glad to hear that about Senator. Can Well, your mark let's see couple of minutes left.
10:40:51 I'll just do my highlights from last week on Tuesday.
10:40:57 I had an interesting conversation regarding the straight ern lio.
10:41:01 There is potential. need need for us another entity to take on the fiscal administration of the Lao.
10:41:09 The Jamestown tribe has been doing it for the last 10 years, and so I talked with
10:41:14 Mark Macaulay about that, and he is running some numbers and seeing if it's something that Jefferson County might take on.
10:41:23 This conversation has been going on, I think my entire time on the board of the straight year in and anyway, anyway, looking they're looking for someone to step in and kind
of hold the administrative the contract piece for the coordinator
10:41:42 Tuesday afternoon had a trustland transfer Conservation Group meeting just in preparation for the Wednesday provides a work group meeting just to kind of go over what was talked
about at the previous meeting and plan for
10:41:57 this the Wednesday meeting, and then Tuesday evening, Jefferson County and Ourc.
10:42:05 Meeting The The theme of last week was very long.
10:42:08 Day is. It was like 12 to 14Â h days, I think, every day for me.
10:42:12 Lots of meetings and conversations Feels like for any meeting there is there's 3 to 5 conversations that need to happen before to get to make sure your decks are in a row.
10:42:23 So On Wednesday we we had a planning meeting for our field tour of the day by a natural area.
10:42:32 And the Devil's link trust land transfer site which is happening this Friday with our legislative delegation and Commissioner Hillary friends.
10:42:42 And the number of other folks are joining that tour.
10:42:46 I also went to the Faregrounds last week and had a great conversation with Danny Mcnty, the new fairgrounds coordinator, and also he told me about how many weeks they'd been
discovering small
10:42:59 leaks. they'd been discovering around the property and He he seemed kind of overwhelmed by the scope of the role, and I said, Danny, just just focus on the leaks for right now,
because he said they have a
10:43:13 $2,000 water bill every month, which seems really high, especially when the facilities are not in use.
10:43:21 And then Wednesday I have lunch with Chief Black Wednesday afternoon.
10:43:28 I had my training transfer proviso work group, and this is our second to last meeting of the work.
10:43:34 Group. So we're we're coming up to the finish line of that work together.
10:43:39 And I feel like now we're getting to the sticky wicked questions that people have so just working through those
10:43:48 And then Olympic discovery trail board meeting on Wednesday evening.
10:43:55 And they're in this is i'm saying this mostly out loud for monty sake.
10:44:00 They're interested in doing a kind of level set on where we're at with Jefferson County with public works at some point.
10:44:06 Soon the Jefferson County contingent of the Peninsula trails coalition around Odt just kind of all getting on the same page and then got up early Thursday morning and jumped
in the car with
10:44:23 Greg, and we drove to Olympia for 2 days of timber school and 2 long days of great information and great just a lot of great contacts made.
10:44:36 And Yeah. still still digesting all of that was a pretty amazing couple of days, and kudos to paddle for organizing it all and hurting all of us cats through those 2 days effectively.
10:44:52 So oh! And then in the midst of that, I jumped into a David Bay natural area call with the Olympic region.
10:44:59 So it was very all things dnr last week I think that's it for me, and it's 1045, which is perfect timing.
10:45:12 I don't know who we need to bring over for this hearing
10:45:17 I I'm assuming josh peters and I don't know if Joel just joining us today.
10:45:29 Great brand butler, Brendan Butler. not sure if Joel is there.
10:45:38 But anyway. so I just wanna introduce this item we're gonna have a hearing on repealing and replacing interim. Ordinance 0 8, 1, 2, 1 3 dash 21 and adopting zoning regulations
10:45:55 for siding establishment and operation of temporary, homeless facilities and unincorporated Jefferson County.
10:46:01 We welcome everyone to this hearing, and we look forward to hearing is mint from as many of you as possible.
10:46:08 I will open the hearing now, and remind folks that if they are in the zoom room, and they would like to comment on this interim ordinance, replacing of the interim ordinance.
10:46:23 You can raise your hand in the zoom. room. using the raise hand button at the bottom of the screen.
10:46:29 I don't see anybody joining us via phone and wow!
10:46:36 People are raising their hands. Right people, are reminding me we'll do a presentation on this ordinance, but I just wanted to let people know to t app that this will be the
opportunity to give comments on this so French are you gonna
10:46:52 tie this up. Josh Peters is gonna kick us off. Josh Peters is in the house.
10:46:59 Welcome, Josh. Thank you so much. Chair, Eisenhower, and and good morning to everybody.
10:47:07 Since Brent is on the other side of the country i'm going to just facilitate the meeting in terms of our presentation, and just pull up my screen right now.
10:47:16 Actually. but could you also add Joel Peterson Barbara to to the presentation?
10:47:27 If you would. i'm gonna try to share my screen right now, and hopefully, that'll work.
10:47:30 I don't see Joel, but if joel's in the attendance.
10:47:33 Please raise your hand
10:47:40 I'm wondering if I saw somebody else with their hand raised. I think they're just trying to make , Okay, Okay, So just to check to see if if you can see my screen, we can fabulous.
10:47:55 Okay So again, i'm just kicking off the staff presentation part of the hearing this morning, and so Brent is going to give the background.
10:48:07 He is able to join us from the other side of the country and so he'll he'll give up the background a couple of slides, and and Joel is going to talk a little bit about the planning
commission process and Then
10:48:20 Barbara is going to go over differences between a previous version of the ordinance, and then the proposal version of the audience today.
10:48:29 At that juncture we're gonna stop the staff presentation we'd be available for questions either before or after the public testimony. it's at your discretion of course, and
and so we'll just get moving i'm
10:48:40 gonna move to the next slide and have Brent come in to deliver the information. Thank you.
10:48:48 Thank you, Josh. I really appreciate the
10:48:53 The opportunity to provide an overview of some of the discussion that occurred during a May 20 third publicly noticed workshop with the Board of County Commissioners, and and
i'll share that in our background regarding the interim
10:49:08 control that enacted this emergency ordinance.
10:49:14 And then I will pass the bacon to Joel Peterson to talk about the planning Commission recommendation as a Josh Peters mentioned, and then It'll forward to a Barbara Ehrlichman
10:49:30 of the Civil Deputy prosecuting attorney to discuss the changes in the ordinance, and then we'll open it up for questions Next slide
10:49:42 So one of the critical questions that we've heard from the community is, why
10:49:49 Why is there crisis, and and I felt that it's important to understand that.
10:49:55 From a standpoint of supply and demand.
10:50:02 You see that first quarter inventory?
10:50:07 That shows since 2,015 up until the first quarter of this year.
10:50:12 This is a quarter by first quarter comparison.
10:50:18 Going back 7 years. We have now in Jefferson County the lowest inventory of record.
10:50:28 And I have researched this information from the Washington State for real estate, which is designated by the State Legislature as the the repository of of research for housing
affordability.
10:50:43 And inventory and other metrics related to housing.
10:50:48 We've also recognized that there has been a doubling of the Median value between 2,016 and 2022. and this is making it increasingly unaffordable for community members and
10:51:07 then to give some background of for many years. we the community.
10:51:16 Churches in Jefferson County has provided shelter at the Marvin shields.
10:51:25 American legion and downtown port towns, and when the shelter closed in March of 2020, it coincided with the recognition of the a new transmissible
10:51:47 Coronavirus, and at that time. we as as in the past, limited the duration of of time.
10:52:02 Persons could stay at the accounting fair grounds come this Coronavirus crisis, and a declaration by Governor Inslee I'll.
10:52:14 Followed by Senate Bill, 51, 60, and evictions were no longer permissible, and we recognize that there was an increasing number of individuals who were unhoused and staying
the fair grounds in response to this
10:52:37 and the recognition that our annual point in time counts documented a need within our community.
10:52:47 And I, just to make sure everyone understands a point in time.
10:52:50 Count, is the annual account that occurs generally in the middle of the winter, that talks about what are the numbers of individuals that are unhoused?
10:53:00 And we have some very amazing contributions by our community members that have helped us. And and during the workshop I shared, all of the point in Count point in time counts,
and we learned that one of the outliers really was
10:53:16 attributable attributed to a more role cost, counting that year.
10:53:21 And so as always, if you have more persons involved you're gonna get better.
10:53:27 Numbers. And so what we're seeing is that the background for this emergency has been sort of a perfect storm, a low inventory, high values.
10:53:42 Continued populations within the county that are unhoused.
10:53:46 And then finally, restrictions related to evictions, and so next slide.
10:53:57 And so what does this mean? From the standpoint of of legally what we as a county, can do if someone is in a public right of way, and if that public right away is in front of
your house W we as a
10:54:12 Minnesota government would not be allowed to have those persons removed.
10:54:18 There's clear case law, Merton martin versus the city of Boise found that you cannot remove people from public places.
10:54:28 If you have no place for them, to go, and it's also important to note that having capacity is important, the religious land use and institutionalized persons act limits, what
governments can regulate with regards to religious institutions
10:54:48 and is is best expressed locally by the case Woodenville versus North Shore, and that it demonstrates that a county cannot substantially burden a church in exercising their
religious beliefs.
10:55:02 This is sort of a version of the Washington State religious land use and institutionalized persons act.
10:55:11 And so this background, in addition to the realization that the Homestead Act would provide protections for those that are sheltering in their home, because, in their car, which
is their home, and recognizing these has given
10:55:31 us a need to identify how we locate populations within Jefferson County that are unhoused, and I've put on this screen some of the Rcws.
10:55:48 And wax that we've addressed and and really looked at.
10:55:55 How do we ensure that, hosting can occur?
10:56:00 By religious organizations and a way that meets the community's expectations. And then how can we do it in a way that is not overly costly for those that are trying to create
housing And so we looked at
10:56:15 the exceptions. for the State Building code. Next slide
10:56:26 So i'm gonna pass the baton here. to Joe Peterson to discuss the planning commission process and recommendations.
10:56:35 Thank you, Brett, thank you commissioners. the planning Commission has been working with this issue for a final ordinance since September.
10:56:46 2,021 and We've met many times since then before our hearing.
10:56:51 That was on May fourth. Some of the issues that we were addressing is Brent mentioned as well.
10:56:59 Site, planning conditions, conditions of approval, duration of how temporary the facilities will be, and the number of people on site.
10:57:08 So we after the hearing we were looking at our comprehensive plan.
10:57:13 Chapter 3, our housing ordinance and implementing the goals and policies.
10:57:17 They're in in that housing element and deliberated on May eighteenth, looking at the record, developing a record and put bringing it to the play.
10:57:29 The Board of County Commissioners as recommendations. we had a total of 11 comments during the hearing.
10:57:37 2 of them were from public agencies. and then the recommendations were brought to the board.
10:57:43 On May 20 third. If anyone wants to look into more detail about that process of look at our presentation to the Board on May 20 third.
10:57:53 The recommendations of the planning commission. are reflected in this current prop closed ordinance, and if there's any questions I can answer them now or at this point, turn
it back to Brett.
10:58:07 Thank you, Joshua. Our next really significant discussion surrounds the substantive issues.
10:58:17 This is a temporary facility, and we have some latitude as to whether or not the type of review is one that can occur by the Udc administrator, the super responsible issue as
a type 2
10:58:34 permit, or it should go to the hearing examiner
10:58:39 And so we have sort of a hybrid approach here that we have designated this a type.
10:58:47 2 process, meaning that it would be administratively approved unless there is a degree of complexity or concerns that are expressed by community members.
10:58:59 We do have the provision in the code that allows the Udc.
10:59:07 Administrator to require a more rigorous public hearing process known and embraced by the type 3.
10:59:16 So I just wanted to point that out. I did see that there was a comment that came in specific to that.
10:59:21 From Mr. Tish, and I just wanted to make sure that if there is a community concern that is one of the areas that we are going to be able to address.
10:59:31 We did that most recently with Maristone in we had a type 2 process and we did because of the complexity of that project.
10:59:40 Have the hearing Examiner. review it additionally.
10:59:45 Fire protections are, are addressed by the spacing between the tents.
10:59:51 And so we were really concerned about one tent catching fire, and then and flaming, or causing others to catch fire.
11:00:00 And then, additionally, how would that occur? open burning?
11:00:05 We really wanted to specifically note that there would be no flames inside, no smoking inside.
11:00:13 That's specifically called out, the only provision that we do allow. and this comes from our accountation with the housing solution.
11:00:24 Networks and others in the community is microwaves.
11:00:27 They will be permissible in terms of within the temps.
11:00:32 Another component is that Some of the unhouse do have a substance, abuse, or mental health issues.
11:00:42 Which we are dressing through collaborations with the other providers.
11:00:47 But at the same time you recognize that there's a higher rate of cigarette smoking in in certain population.
11:00:55 So and it's well, documented that a best practice is to ensure that there be a place for smoking that does not impact surrounding property over.
11:01:08 So that's also been incorporated within this draft ordinance, and then maximum occupancy, critical to note that the maximum occupancy is going to be set by the site.
11:01:19 What do the site conditions allow? And again, because we do have this discretionary process where we could have it.
11:01:31 Reviewed under type 3, and allow for a public hearing.
11:01:35 If there is concern in the community. We could also reduce the occupancy to below what the site could hold just by the physical sighting of the tents the parking, and all of
the recording requirements for fire
11:01:52 access, including, of course, the camera head turnaround for our fire department.
11:02:00 And so The third substantive issue related to the Pc.
11:02:03 Recommended review. they have recommended that after 2 years that the the ordinance be reviewed, How is it working?
11:02:13 Are there issues? Should there be a need for modification and we historically and it's not I should say we.
11:02:20 But this is a problem with planning departments across the country, resources are limited, and so the ability to review is critically important to see if an audience is working.
11:02:32 And so we have included that and some options. to that that are responsive to staff resources.
11:02:40 And then I am going to pass the baton further, so that our chief civil deputy prosecuting attorney can talk about specific changes.
11:02:50 Other changes. one we you talked about Type 3 is a possible permit pathway.
11:03:03 It seems like objections to any potential encampment would be not so much against the code or the use, since that's really something worked out with the Udc.
11:03:16 Administrator in the department, but really a values an impact issue. and i'm wondering, is the type 5 permit that would put a hearing in front of the voc instead of the hearing
examiner.
11:03:26 Would that be a path that we could contemplate pursuing with this?
11:03:32 Oh, a type 5 process. is something that
11:03:39 We were looking at for permanent facilities as opposed to temporary.
11:03:50 And the reason being is a type 5 would likely lengthen the process.
11:03:57 It also is used quite regularly for more
11:04:05 A higher level amendments to our zoning code or our comprehensive plan.
11:04:11 So we we thought, for the temporary use that is limited and transitory meaning.
11:04:20 We have 3, or excuse me 2 renewals envisioned after the original.
11:04:26 Permit that the lower scale. The less rigorous approach was warranted.
11:04:32 But we do have on other tools of june a workshop, where we're looking at.
11:04:46 How can we, consider, permanence? How can we consider this to be or sites like this to become permanent?
11:04:51 And and we are gonna come back with you with several options on that. That's good to hear. That was my other question.
11:04:58 I guess I still think, even for the temporary encampment that there's a lot of interest in public outreach and communication before moving forward.
11:05:10 I mean, could could we? making a type 2 permit but with with a hearing, you know, automatically with the voc? I I guess i'm reluctant to the cost of a type?
11:05:21 3 permit into what are often very difficult operations to make pencil and any event but going through it, as we have with Peter's place, and and the city with past place and
causal brown village.
11:05:35 I think always an opportunity to hear the public would be appreciate.
11:05:39 I I understand, and and I I would point out that that even with type 2 process we do have outreach envisioned in that.
11:05:47 It's really critical, important that to note that for example with the Marathon in although it was a type 2, we did move it up to a type 3, and so that allowed all members of
the community to weigh in on the
11:06:02 process. And so that that point is well noted. there would be other changes necessary to the ordinance.
11:06:08 So if we were to consider changing the temporary use to a type 5 that would recommend us to would necessary necessitate us to recommend us to consider postponing action today
until and potentially continuing this to the next
11:06:30 Monday session of the Board. Okay, Thank you.
11:06:35 And then my my final question on this and that's really touches on what you were talking about the future presentation on 20 seventh, you know, looking at a place like like
Peter's place.
11:06:46 That is approaching that 18 months. Now, can you just kind of give us a preview of what it might look like.
11:06:51 If there's a a facility that is working well and improving outcomes and not impacting the neighborhood negatively, how you see that road to permanent looking and broad strokes.
11:07:05 Oh, that I would see is for example if you have a a use that's been approved temporarily.
11:07:13 Then you can start the administrative or not really administrative.
11:07:17 The Executive level review n necessary for it to be transitioned to permanent housing.
11:07:28 So I know we haven't developed that pathway yet as I indicated. but that pathway that we looked at was either time 5 process which requires a amendments require actually excuse
me type 5 which
11:07:47 the Board would make the final decision regarding, or a type 3.
11:07:52 And in in order not to confuse. the point too, too much, there's some other underlying issues about the zoning districts that it would be included.
11:08:03 But I I know that we're looking right now at the temporary side of of the equation, and and to to sort of move into the permanent side.
11:08:12 Too much. might confuse the public. but but there would be a pathway that if a site is temporary, we would be able to if the Board so chooses to adopt new legislation consider
it
11:08:27 to be permanent, great, and of course there's just to confuse it more.
11:08:31 There's a permanent facility in the primitive housing and they're not always the same thing, and so we can have a permanent facility with temporary housing or a permanent facility
with permanent
11:08:40 housing, so I know it gets complicated. but I appreciate the the additional nuance.
11:08:45 Thank you you're welcome
11:08:49 And i'm gonna pass the baton to a Barbara Ehrlichman our chief civil our our civil deputy prosecuting attorney.
11:08:59 Thanks, Brett, and thanks for the promotion I don't know Philip Pretty would agree with you or not.
11:09:06 But i'm civil deputy prosecuting and 23, not chief civil So josh i'm here to talk about, basically about changes that we have made in the language of the draft and their fairly
technical
11:09:24 so i'll try to run through them pretty quickly but if you have any questions.
11:09:31 Just sing out, and i'll be happy to try to answer them.
11:09:34 Okay, next slide. Yep: like I said, most of them are bureaucratic.
11:09:39 Basically, on May 20 third, we had a draft of the ordinance that was not yet codified.
11:09:46 So there were substantive provisions that were in the notice document, but they weren't put into the code.
11:09:57 So The process of putting it with the framework of the code requires us to put it in various charts, and make sure that we're connecting all of the little parts of the code
that go together.
11:10:15 So that the thing works seamlessly within the code. So that's most of what I did.
11:10:22 So this next one shows you exactly that. In the old version section 3 talked about it being a temporary housing facility in the Co.
11:10:34 In the use matrix and here's the use matrix example and the tiny tiny writing down there says, basically that it's considered a conditional use with discretionary ability to
decide to hold a public hearing within the rural residential
11:10:55 zones, and it's. prohibited in all other zones, and that's consistent with what the draft was intended to provide throughout next slide.
11:11:08 So the next section was the definitions. We had definitions of the terms over here on the left side of the screen, and we added a couple because there seemed to be instances
in the ordinance where we would continually have
11:11:26 to refer to, say different kinds of structures. the tiny shelters, the tents, the Rvs etc.
11:11:38 So this catch all phrase temporary structures was put in here to allow us to have one term that could cover everything similar with operating entity.
11:11:51 We had before sponsor and or managing agency throughout, and that was a fairly clumsy phrase.
11:12:01 So we boiled it down to operating into d
11:12:05 Then i'm going backwards here. Sorry about that but we did also in the beginning of the the ordinance.
11:12:18 We talked about the purpose which was in the original ordinance, and we also specified in writing that it is a rural residential use.
11:12:26 So there is that. okay? next slide. So in Section 5 that was the previous version.
11:12:36 On the May 20 third ordinance. It had a number of site requirements listed in a long laundry list, and so what we tried to do was to
11:12:50 Put put things in grouping, So that it was easier to find different parts of the one big section of the code that will be dealing specifically with this use.
11:13:03 That's the way our code is set up you have a specific use.
11:13:10 You put everything in one code section which is a little clumsy sometimes, but at least you know you're in the right place when when you're looking for something.
11:13:21 So the the sections that we put together were a qualifications.
11:13:26 Section The frequency and duration of temporary housing facilities, location and site plan requirements, some middle requirements, operational requirements.
11:13:36 Next slide, please. emergency. Locator: Address: Chapter 15. point.
11:13:42 Oh, 5 compliance And then conditions giving the director authority to condition and modification requirements. And almost all of these requirements were previously in the section
5.
11:13:59 They were just sort of in a in a more less organized fashion, so that this was an effort to put those in one.
11:14:07 You know, in groupings, so that's that and then now we're just gonna move on to a couple of substantive changes that were made, and that is in the frequency and duration of
housing temporary
11:14:25 housing facilities. Previously there were 2 different options for extensions so temporary.
11:14:35 Tenth shelters and or facilities. Excuse me, had one extension process, and then tiny shelter.
11:14:47 Village facilities had a second and a different a different extension process.
11:14:55 So, and I know Brent was responsible for this change.
11:14:58 So, Brent, would you mind chiming in here about this a little bit?
11:15:03 Yes, One of the concerns that was noted is that if you have a site
11:15:11 They're usually established with with the mixed types of of housing.
11:15:20 It may include tiny shelters as well as tenants.
11:15:27 And so we wanted to make sure that we're we have for all of the types.
11:15:32 A similar duration, and also we really wanted to be certain that, we didn't have a side open and we have a different provisions based upon the structure itself.
11:15:49 It's really should be that site permitting and so the temporary tent and or tiny shelter village facilities have been combined to reflect that
11:16:04 Any questions on that. Okay, next slide so here's another there's some submittal requirements that
11:16:19 We're slightly beefed up and one is the safety and security plan.
11:16:24 I think we've borrowed some of this language from the city of Bellevue, which has got a long history of dealing with these issues, and providing these kinds of facilities in
their city
11:16:40 So this safety and security plan would basically incorporate feedback from local law enforcement about
11:16:49 The site. And, you know, one of the things that law enforcement can really help with is looking at things like site, you know, site, capability to be able to see through the
site. 3 different parts of the site, what what parts of the
11:17:09 site are not well lit or well seen from other places.
11:17:17 Those sorts of things, so that can be very helpful to to look at that information and try to incorporate that into a safety plan.
11:17:26 There's also as you can see here criteria for rejection or ejection from the site
11:17:35 And then a a plan for deployment of security patrols, a plan to address disruptive behavior, plan for managing, loitering or pan handling and un permitted camping
11:17:52 And then identification of site, specific magnet areas areas that may become a problem.
11:18:00 In terms of managing the site and protecting the safety of not only the residents, but also the employees and the surrounding neighborhood residents.
11:18:15 And then you know already we had in our ordinance.
11:18:20 Was a implementation of registered sex offender back checks and compliance with applicable registration.
11:18:29 And a plan for managing individuals who are included or removed from the temporary housing facility.
11:18:39 I mean, Do you just say no, and then let them out on the street?
11:18:42 Or is there a plan? ? we're doing something different So next slide another piece that was borrowed from the city of Bellevue is a proposed kind of conduct that is developed
and adopted by the the residents
11:19:01 of the facility themselves, and looks at sort of a agreement for behavior amongst the occupants.
11:19:12 The employees and others at the site. and so
11:19:19 This just has a few items that could be in the code.
11:19:25 And it it. The language of the section right now is a shell, so it would require the total conduct to cover these issues which have to do with respecting the rights and property
owner using operated operators suggested Miss travel on
11:19:45 the site, maintaining sites, aesthetics, and smoking a limiting smoking to designated areas, and respecting the rules that are set up by the operating entity as a condition
of entry and then
11:20:05 complying with the terms of any good neighbor agreement, provision, and
11:20:12 A good neighbor agreement is another device far from the city of Bellevue, which is Basically, they put together citizen committees that people that live in the neighborhood.
11:20:25 Interested stakeholders and residents to get together and talk about ongoing issues.
11:20:35 And you know, if there are any with the facility and surround the surrounding neighborhood, and it has apparently really helped with
11:20:51 Having these facilities run smoothly and integrate into neighborhoods.
11:20:56 Well, because there's a ongoing place to address issues. So next we're back to some more technical changes.
11:21:08 This is a change to 24, I mean.
11:21:12 Excuse me. 1840, I believe. table 8 one just putting this use in the in the matrix there, and you can see it circle down at the bottom.
11:21:24 Next slide. Okay. So now we're down to on Thursday I provided a copy of the ordinance to Julie, and then, unfortunately, notice a couple of blaring things that we're missing
and I believe
11:21:43 Julie posted a second version of the ordinance.
11:21:46 I just wanna quickly tell you what was changed. The first change is, you can see here on the on the slide is that I had forgotten to put a section title on the thing.
11:22:00 So there it is in red temporary housing facilities.
11:22:05 So that was one change, and then the second change is here.
11:22:09 Next slide. it's 2 d and This is 15 and this has to do with the safety and security plan.
11:22:18 The numbering of this was messed up. It was
11:22:21 These are supposed to be items that fall underneath 15, and instead they were number.
11:22:29 It is things beyond 1516, 17, etc.
11:22:33 So the the numbers were just changed there to to make it accurate and more readable.
11:22:41 So, and those are the changes made. So if you have any questions about any technical issues like that.
11:22:48 I'm happy to answer them
11:22:57 Oops I was muted looking for hands up I don't see any hands being raised.
11:23:04 Other in the panelists currently, and I just say to the public, I, we do see your hands going up.
11:23:10 Please leave them up will be calling on you when we get to the public hearing portion.
11:23:15 So I'm gonna just jump right back in real quick just to say that the staff is available to answer any questions before you invite an input from the public.
11:23:24 But if you're ready to do that then that would be the next step, I'm gonna i'm gonna stop sharing my screen did want to point out one specific thing that was was suggested earlier,
and that would be the timing so
11:23:34 My understanding is that the interim ordinance is valid until next Monday.
11:23:39 The twentieth. and so your options are, of course, to deliberate today and take action, or to set up a special meeting between now and that expiration to deliberate and take
action or to or to do both, or to schedule
11:23:52 a special meeting for for deliberation, and then schedule the action for Monday.
11:23:57 But the action for Monday would be important in order to Tube, adhere to the timing of the interim.
11:24:03 Ordinance. Great thanks, Josh. and I just through the chair.
11:24:10 I just realized that we do have a problem because the twentieth is going to be a holiday. It's juneeenth.
11:24:17 The official recognition of that. So, in fact, would not be able to actually have a hearing in a timely fashion, because it does sunset on the twentieth.
11:24:32 We do not realize that until just now. So the the next board meeting would occur on the 20 first
11:24:43 We need to schedule a special meeting? Yeah.
11:24:48 Okay, I have a couple of questions. that are generated from public comment.
11:24:57 And and I just wanted some clarifying questions, not not jumping into celebration, but a couple of things that folks mentioned in their written testimony.
11:25:05 Submitted One was asking about the setbacks from nearby right residences.
11:25:16 When somebody could address that, and then also the
11:25:22 Ask for inclusion of chamber pots as an allowable sanitation use. And so that that is allowed by the Board of Health, and just wondering if anyone has information on either
of those they can share.
11:25:36 Yeah, I could address the the first question.
11:25:41 That we do have discretion to increase the distance of the improvements, like tents or tiny structures from the property line.
11:26:01 It is currently 5 feet, and so under the type 2 process it is envisioned that it's administrative with notice, meaning that the adjacent property owners are provided.
11:26:14 Notice. and and it's typically in that notice that we expect to hear from the community and to determine if what are the concerns?
11:26:26 And typically, what we do is, we fashion our conditions based on the concerns heard by the community.
11:26:33 We're very responsive to the concerns and so this type process.
11:26:41 Also does allow us the discretion to require it to go to the hearing examiner, as where that would have a notice, and it would be an open record.
11:26:54 Public hearing, and then the final decision would be by the hearing examiner.
11:27:00 It would be a to the superior court. I want to point out this distinct difference between these processes and a type 5 that was mentioned earlier is usually envisioned for higher
level.
11:27:18 It includes a notice and a public hearing before the planning commission with commission.
11:27:25 The planning commission, making a recommendation to the Board of County Commissioners, and I I wanted to point that out that that additional level of review by the
11:27:41 The planning commission is really in the because of the permanency of the site.
11:27:47 And so with the the board. typically gets I better understanding of of more controversial issues.
11:27:57 So when the there are hearings even before like hearing occurs at the board level.
11:28:04 As we did with this new legislation that would enable individual 501 c.
11:28:12 3 is to establish temporary facilities. So I just wanted to to address that.
11:28:18 Now the second part of your question had to do with
11:28:22 Chamber pots is is the term
11:28:25 I did not, and I know I can't speak that that has been raised before.
11:28:31 So we have not actually engaged public health with any questions on this topic.
11:28:37 So i'm gonna see if joel Peterson is here?
11:28:42 Has there been a discussion about this question because I know that I Haven't had any opportunity to discuss this with our peers and and and environmental public health?
11:28:52 No, this has not been raised in the past and I don't know that we need to codeify it in title 18.
11:29:00 The health standards come from title 8, and this these regulations would comply with the health standards of title.
11:29:06 8. so not knowing exactly how chamber pots would be considered. It's just kind of a a temporary place to go into it.
11:29:18 You can get to the to the facility, to the common facilities.
11:29:23 And whether they're allowed or not would probably would be already in codified entirely.
11:29:36 That makes sense, Greg thank you care I don't have a question.
11:29:41 But I also want to respond to some testimony that We've already got in in written form, and also to say that I hope that we can, you know, make it through our deliberation today.
11:29:51 I think, with the number of written comments we might want to defer final deliberation till later in the afternoon, just to make sure that we can really process all the all
the written comments as well as the the oral testimony we're about to hear But one pernicious rumor that keeps coming up is is
11:30:08 that a tool being used for a specific purpose and I just wanna be really clear that this ordinance, like all ordinances, is a tool, and we've seen the interim ordinance used
on specific problems where we had an
11:30:21 unsanctioned, homeless encampment to the fair grounds with really negative health and safety impacts for both the residents and the surrounding area, and moving it to a manage
situation addressed those impacts you know where we
11:30:34 had hundreds of anti harassment orders. Now we have the community volunteering to clean up the trail. And so that's the kind of pathway that this ordinance is designed to facilitate
one thing that is
11:30:47 explicitly prohibited in, I think Section 6 to C.
11:30:52 One would be exporting homeless from one community to the other, which is unethical, and not the way that any organization will.
11:31:00 When walk to proceed, we we looked at all all possible facilities for causal round initially, and proximity to services is critical and and moving people to an area where there
aren't services is unethical and does not lead
11:31:14 to good outcome. So I just want to make sure that this is not perceived as a a tool that is used to pawn off a problem.
11:31:25 This is a tool that is, addresses. a problem where it is, you know, and we have homeless in every community that we have, and it looks different in different areas.
11:31:37 And if this tool was going to be used in, say South County, it would be used for South County residents by a church dealing with a huge squatting problem.
11:31:46 Or you know, as I drive around Brennan, there are probably, I saw in the last couple of weeks 5 different facilities that would be qualified as a is a tent encampment that are
unmanaged unregulated, and if this
11:31:59 was ever going to rear its head in a different community would be for the homeless population of that community.
11:32:07 And I just want to make that clear before we go into more customers.
11:32:13 Thanks, Greg. Any other comments from staff or commissions this time.
11:32:21 If not, I will proceed to open the hearing.
11:32:29 We welcome everyone to this public hearing regarding an ordinance, repealing and replacing interim.
11:32:34 Ordinance 0 8, 1, 2, 1, 3, dash, 2, one!
11:32:39 And adopting zoning regulations for the citing establishment and operation of temporary, homeless facilities in the unincorporated areas of Jefferson County.
11:32:50 Just public hearing is now open. If you've joined this meeting.
11:32:53 I see nobody on the phone yet if you've joined this meeting via Zoom, and with wish to make a comment. Please use the raise hand button at the bottom of the zoom. screen, and
we'll call on you in
11:33:04 the order. the hands are raised here. We also have up to 3 people in the chambers that might want to make test
11:33:16 So I already stated that purpose of this hearing, and I just like to say that as elected officials, we wanna hear as much public testimony on this issue as possible, and your
your testimony will greatly inform our
11:33:31 deliberations and decisions, and so at this time I would love to call on the people who've joined in person in the Chambers to come forward to the podium.
11:33:44 And make a comment Caroline here, just letting you know that this is a hybrid portion of the meeting, because when we did the hearing notice, we had listed it as hybrid, and
so there, are a few people
11:33:54 in the attendance. Please state your name and address from giving your testimony.
11:33:58 Thank you. Would anyone like here like to give testimony today?
11:34:10 But please come up to the to the microphone and because it is here.
11:34:11 You'll have to an after name and your place to rest Yeah, I've Scott, Henry, and nice to see you again.
11:34:17 I just have a question there's there's a lot of this stuff.
11:34:22 It sounds like proposals. But are these proposals actually written down?
11:34:26 Are they? There are 0 proposals. i'll just answer 0 proposals to make any homeless encampments in Brendan.
11:34:31 There has never been one, there never will be one for the reasons I cite.
11:34:34 So you're hearing rumors I would say I'm just you're motivated to what I've reading on the screen.
11:34:41 It's proposed, or plan when it says plan is there actually a plan?
11:34:47 Or is it just? Are we in the plan making process, or this is setting up the tools?
11:34:53 4 people if they had a plan to go through well alright that's all I have.
11:34:58 Thanks, although, can we be sure that that he's not referring to the the proposed ordinance that we are considering for adoption today?
11:35:08 There is an an ordinance that is under consideration and some of that land which is then presented I mean that's what It's the document that you can get off the agenda are you
asking about
11:35:23 the ordinance that we're considering or a site specific Oh, well, yes, that is that is something we're considering.
11:35:30 We have an an interim ordinance that we're operating under, and this would replace it.
11:35:35 That interim ordinance needs to be it's it's sunset it as of june twentieth.
11:35:42 Well I looked for the plan and I couldn't couldn't find it so. I didn't know how for anybody.
11:35:46 If you go to the Jefferson county website and click on videos of meetings at the top left of the then you can go into any agendas and the agenda for today's meeting has the
ordinance as as
11:36:01 presented and that's a video or that's That's a Pdf link on on the agenda.
11:36:07 You just go to videos of meetings is an easy way to get into our our zoom video.
11:36:11 I wouldn't have clicked it so yeah that's probably. Why, I couldn't sign it since you're in the building you can stop by the commissioner's office and look at what we have .
11:36:19 And it's also currently listed on the jefferson county homepage, because we're having a hearing today.
11:36:27 So it's it's just there on the CEO dot Jefferson dot dot us if you scroll down the page. it's public hearing adopting zoni regulations for establishing a temporary homeless
11:36:39 facilities. Okay, Anyone else in the room there with you that would like to comment at this time.
11:36:46 Second one more. So each person making public comments must state their name and place a residence, and we'll have up to 3Â min for comments.
11:37:00 Edna a free Brenda Washington and I just had some questions.
11:37:06 Regarding the location of these these sites number one you have an idea or define critical areas.
11:37:15 You're saying you wanted in rural residential areas which seems to me to be placing it in a very critical area.
11:37:23 Families and children, and regarding that you're talking about a 5 foot boundary, which I understand is the the current one.
11:37:32 But then asking homeowners property owners they have they have the right to restrict property.
11:37:40 That's a huge burden on families they have the wholeless shelter right next to them, with as you indicated, many mental health issues or health issues.
11:37:50 Drugs, and they have to provide the restriction 5 feet away from the this kind of an encampment.
11:38:00 And I just wonder how you have provided for those concerns.
11:38:03 I know you said they could bring the concerns. but what is your way of solving it?
11:38:09 Is it still on the homeowner? Thank you for your comments and question
11:38:17 We will respond to comments and questions after we hear from everybody in this hearing.
11:38:23 So. Is there anybody else in the room who would like to make a comment this morning?
11:38:29 Great to see anyone. No, , Okay, so for those folks with us in the Zoom room. You can raise your hand using the race hand button at the bottom of the screen, and we'll bring
you over and you'll need to state your name
11:38:42 and place a residence, and you will have up to 3 amendment 3Â min for public comments.
11:38:49 I'm bringing over barbara maury and vicki So Barbara first, and then vicky they'll have to accept promotion to panelists
11:39:16 Vicky Vicky's gonna Go first it looks like good morning.
11:39:21 My name is Vicky Sontag, and I live at 4 50 30 Fifth Street, in Port Townsend District, one of Jefferson County, and I came this morning to support the passage of the temporary
housing
11:39:40 facilities ordinance. I am concerned that with the presentation this morning there has what I regard as some substantial changes in the language that were not previously available
to us; and notwithstanding our ability to look at the
11:40:01 agenda and access the vinyl language there this is the first time this morning that I've been able to see the actual final language.
11:40:12 So I But to begin i'd like to say that the ordinance puts into place a new framework for ensuring public health and safety in relationship to housing in Jefferson County.
11:40:25 It reflects a new understanding of the solution to homelessness is not a policy that seeks to exclude or control those most impacted by the housing prices.
11:40:39 Instead, this ordinance puts community at the heart how we respond to people in direct.
11:40:45 Now i'm going to speak a little bit of off the cap. I understand that there has been a combination of what would be considered tempting camas and tiny shelter villages, and
the duration of them in it has
11:41:00 been effectively this new language reduces the length of a permitted tiny shelter village to a year and a half.
11:41:11 That's happy of what was in the draft or admit and it's certainly not long enough so we're coming up against a very specific, very successful tiny shelter village of past place
to a year and a half as
11:41:27 Greg Brotherton noted earlier. I consider this to be a very substantial change. and I I I really think it needs to be looked at very closely, and or whether there's some possibility
of external or
11:41:44 renewing through a new permit process. But
11:41:49 I do not consider that long enough for tiny shelter villages in the substantial investment that goes into those. The second concern is all of the detailed plans that are now
recall, called to out in
11:42:07 paragraphs. this would be Section 6 fair drop to D.
11:42:11 Roman numeral 15 d of the ordinance and it refers to such things as loitering loiter room was never language that was in the draft ordinance, and i'm not even sure that you
know that's
11:42:26 been 3Â min. You know what the implications of that kind of language are, so I think that needs to be review.
11:42:34 So i'm just going to say end up say I really am proud of how this community came together to make this ordinance possible, and that involved people who built the shelters people
who made comments from whatever their perspective, and I really want
11:42:50 to thank Greg for the work he did. leading community discussions for months on end.
11:42:58 3Â min changes. right. Thank you. We appreciate you coming and making comments this morning.
11:43:09 Barbara, You'll have 3Â min once you get unmuted for comments.
11:43:17 Hello! This is Barbara Mori, Port Townsend, 9 o 9 and a half, Fourteenth Street, and 80 u unit.
11:43:25 And I am I am concerned I first of all I think rank and everybody who's been working on this. We've been working on this ordinance for 2 full years.
11:43:35 And some some of us a little bit longer so thank you for everybody who's been working on this I also concerns that we're shared just now by Vicki about the changes that have
been made without public import and without regard
11:43:48 for the public, input apparently without regard for the public input into the language of the the or new ordinance.
11:43:58 We worked really hard to make sure that things like loitering, or the reference to sexual offenders, or a number of things like that were addressed, you know, and equitable
and compassionate.
11:44:11 And effective manner in the in the work that we did in the previous, that several members of the community, and from a variety of positions work to do that.
11:44:23 So I I also have some problems with the language that's being proposed.
11:44:27 Now as being not having been reviewed, and not being adequate to serve the needs of the community.
11:44:34 I also have a problem with the provision for the tenth and the villages combined.
11:44:40 The shorter, short, and length of the time. Tants are not the same thing as tiny house villages.
11:44:46 Tiny house villages are being established all across Washington.
11:44:49 They are not hybrid with tents, they are not encampments; they are transitional. housing.
11:44:57 Transitional housing means that they are. People can stay in there legally.
11:45:02 For up to 2 years by the definition of transitional housing while they are seeking permanent housing, tants are not durable.
11:45:10 They're not functional they're as functional they are not secured.
11:45:14 You can't have a microwave in a tenth and function very well safely.
11:45:19 So, putting these 2 together, loving these 2 together as kind of the old encampments, and I say that with quotation marks, is is again detracting from the efforts that the community
has put into the development of this
11:45:34 ordinance to date the these. The other thing is I am.
11:45:43 I am concerned that we are at this stage modifying things that have not gone through review by the public.
11:45:55 Previously I was not able to see any of these. this current discussion that was presented.
11:46:02 I appreciate the effort that went into that, and referring to Belgium and Bellevue, and so on.
11:46:06 We already did that in the in the past the community has already done that.
11:46:10 We modified that to make it work for Jefferson Comey.
11:46:13 So I seriously request that you whole seed. But go back to what we have already done.
11:46:22 Do not try to reinvent the wheel at this stage with the language that we're using. Okay, thank you. And once again, thank you to everybody who's been working so hard on this
it really is a team effort.
11:46:34 It takes the whole village. Thank you for your comments, Ms.
11:46:38 Maurie. Is there anybody else who would like to make public comment this morning?
11:46:45 If so, you can use the raise hand. Button at the bottom of your zoom screen.
11:46:50 I'm not seeing any additional hands go up yet. Okay, So, seeing nobody raising their hand to make additional testimony, I will now close this public hearing and open for Commissioner
deliberation.
11:47:16 Kate Greg, that's do you talk a little bit about process Given that time.
11:47:24 We have you know. Do we want to start deliberation now, or do we want to to delay?
11:47:32 Just be helpful to know. Yeah. So the only thing we have this afternoon is one agenda item at 1 30.
11:47:41 You could. That will probably go up to an hour, but not over an hour, so we could continue this until like 2 30 this afternoon.
11:47:54 Yeah, 2, 30, . for that. Joel Brands Josh: Are you guys?
11:48:04 . available at 2 30. Yes, cause I Don't think we're gonna get through everything we have to discuss in 10Â min.
11:48:15 We can accept written testimony up until what time Oh, that's been closed at the close of the hearing.
11:48:24 Okay, We haven't closed, the hearing yet now but I I've not had an opportunity to really process all the some some granular suggestions earlier, you know.
11:48:37 I'd love to be able to go back and and see what were the changes I don't know.
11:48:42 Just first engineer a little bit back to the planning Commission recommendations, and to where we got here, so I guess I i'd be in favor of
11:48:50 I guess really beginning deliberations at 2, 30. Okay?
11:48:55 And then we have to because the existing interface runs out on Monday.
11:49:02 We have to also come up with a plan for having a another, potentially another session.
11:49:08 Later this week. correct. We talked about that earlier. If we decide that we need that time.
11:49:18 , Yeah. I hope we can wrap it up today.
11:49:20 But and we can. We could come up with a special hearing even later, you know, if at 4 30 we're not okay.
11:49:33 Okay, so do we want a quick question, Barbara, Are you able to join us at 2 30?
11:49:35 Also. Yes, yes, I can so. is there anything we want to do now?
11:49:46 We have 10Â min before We adjourned until or recess until 2 third or 1 30
11:49:57 I was working. We had one more question i'm sorry that I kind of departed from the norm in responding to the first question, but I know that Edna had a question that maybe Staff
can answer about buffers and everything and I
11:50:09 don't know Barbara, or grant if anyone can go into
11:50:13 I think edit might have been referring to the space between shelters.
11:50:18 But I periphery of the of the property.
11:50:22 What are the The buffer Requirements seem like? They are pretty flexible.
11:50:26 Can someone I mean . I could speak to that And And one of the things that I would point out is that we do have a flexibility of the administrators given that flexibility in
determining compatibility with the adjacent
11:50:42 uses. for example, with all recreational marijuana structures and activities and agriculture and rural commercial zones.
11:50:51 There's a minimum 25 foot setback from all property lines.
11:50:57 So we could institute something like that and and you know There's also realization that if the property line includes a steep slope, or that you know there may be some natural
to geographical buffers that we're
11:51:13 unaware of that's that's why it's really good for there to be some flexibility for the Udc.
11:51:20 Administrator, and I I think and I mentioned critical areas as well.
11:51:23 And while people are very critical, we we usually are talking about steep, unstable slopes, wetlands, and and some of the other, you know, in important aquifers.
11:51:33 So both are both are critical. but you know, of course, any development would.
11:51:37 And I i'm asking I guess rent or Joel would have to be would have to acknowledge and be worked around actual critical areas on the ground.
11:51:47 Is that right? all site conditions would need to be considered and that's included in the draft under Yeah.
11:52:03 See c. 3, Yes, it's our critical is over, and it's 1822 specifies that any development needs to comply with 1822, and then also refers to this above
11:52:19 and and Section C 2. It refers to the setback requirements in the code 18, not 30.
11:52:33 And I guess I would ask finally sorry before we break for for lunch for me at least, if Staff wants to address it all any of the the changes made after the planning commission
recommendations and just kind of drill into the rationale behind
11:52:45 that. Yes, and one of the things that. and if you could put up slide 13 josh!
11:52:55 You can see that the Board could have the really clear decision.
11:53:03 Include item number 4 Do you have slack 13 up, and then you'll see specifically the question, and I I do appreciate the
11:53:16 The amount of of input and effort, some of which I was unaware.
11:53:22 That went that I was expressed earlier, that in order to to keep that the language is either.
11:53:34 I saw 2 different approaches. I was looking at it from the standpoint of having within one site.
11:53:39 2 different types of uses having different dates by which they are they end.
11:53:45 I was there saw the attempt there was to to have a site that has everything closing at one time, or or the renewal process.
11:53:56 At one time as opposed to varying manual processes.
11:54:00 On one site. And so we were looking at that from an administrative standpoint.
11:54:05 To make it easier. But as always, we are willing to, you know.
11:54:13 Make us, you know, use the staff resources as the community sees necessary by in incorporating
11:54:23 That removed section number 4, and providing for a lengthy a period of time for the temporary tiny shelter villages
11:54:36 I'm sorry that this this slide raises one more question, and that is, can we put in code a type 2 review with a hearing and say that it will have a hearing automatically, though
it is a type 2 just when I mean make sure that so
11:54:55 of the 5 different processes. that we one being without notice, 2 being with notice and 3 being noticed, and and a public hearing before the hearing examiner.
11:55:14 So and I just wanna make sure I I understood your question, Commissioner Brother Tim.
11:55:19 So. Right now the there is latitude given to the Udc.
11:55:23 Administrator to require a type 3 process which would require a public hearing that's noticed before the hearing examiner.
11:55:32 The type 2 does still require notice. So and I just wanted to to point that out that that the both of those do have that requirement.
11:55:46 Gotcha. Thank you. Can I just add something there? and that is Commissioner Brotherton.
11:55:52 If you wanted to have a public caring in every instance, then we could make it a type 3 rather than a type of 2, and that was a suggestion that we received earlier.
11:56:05 Hello! that goes to the hearing examiner i'm not necessarily to the Commissioners, and I I think I hear Commissioner Brotherton saying, and I tend to agree is that the because
I I won't put words in your mouth
11:56:22 Greg, but I will say that I think the the knowing how contentious and political these are, I think, putting the decision points in the in the right hands is really important.
and I worry a little bit about the process laid out in type 2
11:56:39 putting a lot of authority in the Udc.
11:56:44 The administrator not move my doubt at all, but that it feels removed from from the constituency, from from the public.
11:56:51 So I I I would be interested after lunch, and digging into what are our options there?
11:56:58 And you know I mean I don't relish the idea of us being this decision makers on this either, and politicizing this issue has some real negative impacts all around. but I don't
take lightly but I I
11:57:10 think it is important that the public feel that they have a say in that they have a direct line to do that which is a different just different when it's going through.
11:57:21 The administrator. I mean the the hearing examiner would make sure that any application met the conditions of this code that we're going through, and I I feel like this hearing
might more be as as Kate says, up political conversation.
11:57:39 That should be that. Yeah. And in the the I think here is a lot of subjectivity involved here.
11:57:46 And I agree that the hearing seminar would be saying, you know, does this meet code?
11:57:51 And instead of us saying, Is this the right location scope scale impacts.
11:57:58 And so the one concern I heard about the type 5 was was that taking longer?
11:58:05 Because it probably because it involves a planning commission you know couple of sets of meetings and calendars.
11:58:11 So I don't know if there's any way of I met amending one of the processes, or doing like a type 3, but amending it to be the board of commissioners.
11:58:28 I don't know Yeah, one of those through the chair I would discuss that with the the the Pio's office. but I believe that because it's a development right? that we would need
to look at that I'm not sure if it's
11:58:46 permissible to exclude the planning commission from a type.
11:58:51 5 process. I would need to review that. Okay, Hmm. If I could jump in just for a moment, and and we will look at this between now and 2 30.
11:59:01 But when I put the link there in the chat to the table that talks about all the permit types closest thing that just appears to me would be the citing of an essential public
facility, it's a special use permit
11:59:15 and it is a type. 5 process, so that's the first place I would go is to start to look at that and see.
11:59:21 Is that something akin to this process but you know I i'd have to dive into the details cause everything else under Type 5 is a purely like a legislative process.
11:59:31 That's really about amending the compliment or the code itself.
11:59:35 Hmm! that's a good point hmm okay, is there anything else we want.
11:59:43 We have 1Â min any last last words before we re recess until 1 31 one quick thing.
11:59:52 If we could address just because we had some testimony on it was the the change of the duration for the 10 i'm. not gonna get the language quite right.
12:00:10 The basically the 6 months to be renewed twice, and met looking shorter than the previous language, which was up to one year.
12:00:16 It could be renewed 2 times up to 3 years.
12:00:20 Total So just curious, is that partly going to be addressed by the consideration of the permanent ordinance in a couple of weeks?
12:00:35 Is that is that partly why this was changed because there's a recognition that will be considering a temporary Excuse me a permanent ordinance for for some of those sites there
was that was part of
12:00:48 the consideration, and I I wanna point out that what what we would have essentially is 2 pathways.
12:00:54 One what was originally envisioned. That would be a fairly quick pathway to establish temporary services.
12:01:01 So if there's an immediate need there's a A.
12:01:05 Our ability to move swiftly, and then the permanent one was envisioned.
12:01:09 For deciding something that might be there for 30 40 years.
12:01:16 Or longer and so in in that in that vein.
12:01:23 The the question. I mean we were looking at well if it's a temporary use.
12:01:29 And as opposed to permanent if it's a temporary use.
12:01:33 The addition of one additional 180 day period.
12:01:40 Is it almost different? And so I mean the question I would almost pose is that if if we were to extend the number of renewal from 2 to 3, would that accomplish name by giving
both equal treatment in a
12:02:01 temporary ordinance. And so in in that case, right now, we have that is, that there is a maximum period extent for to 2 years in the part in the section of the ordinance that
was removed section
12:02:18 4, so we could bring them into conformity so that it's the same that would lens them
12:02:27 Not the tiny villages but the tents, so I just wanted to throw that out.
12:02:31 There as an alternative resolution
12:02:38 But does that answer case question of this this ordinance that we're working on today versus the temporary ordinance versus the permanent ordinance.
12:02:48 That you guys are working on right and and It it doesn't insofar as
12:02:54 We were looking at them as separate pathways, so that that there is a clear pathway.
12:03:01 So if someone a church facility, one or 2 establish something because they Steve, is an immediate emergency.
12:03:08 That there's a quicker pathway to to to development of that we didn't see that as feasible under the permanent ordinance, because it does require the planning commission.
12:03:24 The Review a publicly noticing it there and then.
12:03:28 The forwarding of their recommendations to the board, and then the board holding of their own hearing.
12:03:35 And so we saw that one the temporary one is more consistent with some of our other practices within the code for something that's not going to be there for the for a long term.
12:03:49 But I I believe, just given where we are now. time wise.
12:03:51 We can look at this and have a a sort of a more deliberative discussion.
12:03:58 After the lunch period. so could we anticipate if a good and get a trip on these again and again, to change the language, The tiny Shelter village Is that correct?
12:04:17 If if that were established temporarily, but were successful.
12:04:24 That that could potentially be moved into a permanent status.
12:04:30 Oh, yes, I I I think that that once that happens you'll for example, you have a temporary list.
12:04:38 Give it. This is an example. You have a temporary site, and then, very much time of that temporary period.
12:04:45 An application could be filed to convert that site to a permanent site, and and that application would involve the Planning Commission Review, and then coming to the board so
so that yes, a permanent a temporary site could later be
12:05:00 converted to a permanent site with my much more rigorous analysis and review, with recommendations. Okay? Great.
12:05:08 Thank you.
12:05:13 Josh can be able to join us at 2 30. Yes, he will.
12:05:17 Okay, great, alright, and carolyn did just point us point out that we didn't have anything on our agenda for noon, so we could keep talking.
12:05:26 If you guys wanted to , engagement today, unfortunately Okay, okay, so I will recess us until 1 30, and we reconvene with, we have an agenda item at 1 30, and then we'll reconvene
12:05:42 this discussion at 2 30. Okay, Thank you. Thanks. everyone.
13:31:12 I think your sharing would be great. So we're on the same page.
13:31:19 Okay. Oh, Still on Twitter
13:31:29 On the C. Some of you that I haven't seen for a while
13:31:34 My computer. Okay, So it's 1 30 and i'll call us back into order for the afternoon session, and we are starting out our afternoon with
13:31:49 The presentation and potential action regarding 3 Jefferson Land Trust Grant applications to the recreation and Conservation office, and with us today, or Sarah Space and oh,
and Fairbank from Jefferson Land trust and I'm
13:32:02 assuming Sarah is gonna tee this up. Yeah, thank you for having us here today.
13:32:10 We are applying for several grants, as you know, for the to the Recreation and Conservation office for funding for 3 projects.
13:32:24 One is the Salmon Creek Rock property located down at the head of Discovery Bay and up the Salmon Creek watershed.
13:32:33 We also have the close seen farmland project area down at the head of closing bay; and thirdly, we have the clover wildlife quarter.
13:32:45 Rco requires that we confer with local government agencies to see if there are any questions or concerns about our application, and that we provide them any sort of feedback
that we might get from our government agencies So
13:33:01 with that. We wanted to share a little bit of background on these projects and get any feedback from you, and I can start with our right period.
13:33:14 Project for the rock property on Salmon Creek, and I have a lot of different maps up on my screen so that I can share them with you.
13:33:22 I just want to get to the right one before I zoom in to, and then we'll pause after each project and see if anyone has questions.
13:33:32 That sounds great alright, so
13:33:42 Pull this up Here,
13:33:52 Can you see this slide here of the Salmon Creek area?
13:34:04 Okay, I'm, i'm not gonna go through the whole slide show.
13:34:07 But I wanted to orient you to where this property is, and you can see the head of Discovery Bay here with a lot of protective property on by department efficient wildlife.
13:34:21 And then these areas, These properties, outlined in blue are Land trust, East properties and our preserves outline agree, and this 156 acre property further up Sam Creek is
a parcel that
13:34:39 we had the opportunity to protect a number of years ago. but the landowners weren't happy with the appraised value at the time, and
13:34:48 One of them has recently passed away, and the sun is back again, hoping that we're able to secure the funding to actually buy the 156 secure property which contains about a
mile of salmon
13:35:03 creek, and i'm going to stop sharing this map and share another one with you that gets a little bit more detailed. and the acquisition.
13:35:20 Includes this kind of narrow property which has the mile of Sam and Creek.
13:35:25 Can you see this map here in my mouse? Great! So some are trump actually spawned in the lower reaches of the creek below the Montevale power line?
13:35:37 That that crosses the creek, and unfortunately sherry scalp, who, as you know, has been monitoring the spawning in the creek for a long time, has not been able to access the
property for monitoring
13:35:52 purposes, because the current landowner isn't really interested in having them on site.
13:35:57 So one of the advantages of land trust ownership is that we would be able to regain access, for the spawner surveys that they do the other advantage of the land trust ownership
is that We want to conduct
13:36:10 restoration activities. among these tributaries the property was logged in the 19 nineties.
13:36:18 You can see that they left a buffer along right perry and a ripe pairing buffer along Sam Creek, but they didn't leave very healthy buffers along these 6 tributaries that run
down into
13:36:29 the creek, and for some reason the con conifer regrowth has been really stymied by heavy samanberry and alder regrowth.
13:36:43 And so the idea is to try and get in and do some thinning of the alder in these buffers and replant conifers with a much broader
13:36:55 With the Viperian buffer along those tributaries.
13:36:58 So we have applied for Samuel Kirby Funding board, and we ranked really well, and, as you probably know, this year there is more funding for salmon recovery than the applications
that the Hood canal porting
13:37:14 Council have received for funding, so we feel quite confident that we will receive the support grant.
13:37:21 We've also applied for conservation features funding and the committee at some point will be recommending that request to the voc.
13:37:33 And then thirdly, is this riparium habitat conservation, Grant, with our Co.
13:37:39 For the final piece of funding which is estimated to be over $700,000, and you know of course, most of the time we don't get the appraisals done until after we have some indication
that we've got
13:37:52 funding, because the appraisals have a shelf life. we don't want to have out of pocket costs, unless we feel confident that we can be reimbursed for those.
13:38:02 So in this case we're, we've got all 3 of those grands out there, and if we rank well with this right-hand habitat, Grant, we'll probably go ahead and get an appraisal try and
get into
13:38:16 a purchase and sale agreement because funding decisions aren't made until next summer, and we kind of want to walk block that that acquisition in place.
13:38:29 So that is that rock project. and do you guys have any questions about that, Sarah.
13:38:37 What's the zoning on that is it forest so many more zoning, which is one in 80, as you know, and when we had the original personality done back in 2,009 I think it was there
was some thought that
13:38:51 it's it's quite close to the 160 acre limit.
13:38:57 It may, with a survey potentially be eligible for 2 residential rights, though, would probably be challenging for that.
13:39:07 But you know we're we will go through that appraisal process again, and have confirmation about how many of residential rights would be extinguished as part of the fee fe simple
acquisition.
13:39:21 Oh, and I see your hand up. Yeah, thanks, Heidi.
13:39:24 I just wanted to add that a certain sense provides spawning habitat for endangered summer cham, and then Co-ho all the way out, and the salmon access to that upper low part
of Sam and
13:39:37 Creek is greatly improved when since the Candy replaced the culprit under Westoncus Road, which, thank you, Monty and everyone.
13:39:45 It's a long time coming that's really made a difference to the number of fish to be getting up as far as this property.
13:39:51 So this should add to that benefits of that thanks and sherry does measure down like where the bridge was right.
13:39:58 I mean. So we have some indication of of the population population just not up up in the upper reaches.
13:40:05 Yeah. And I also forgot to mention that the alternate route for the Pacific Northwest trail actually goes through the neighboring property downstream and then up continues on
to the rock property and that
13:40:23 trail would be continue to be usable by the public.
13:40:28 As an alternate route, we would not. would not be opening up further trails, but that one essentially goes into that lower stretch where the power line reaches and then crosses
over into Jason privately held temperament.
13:40:46 I suppose you could create any parking for that alternate round to the Pacific Northwest trail.
13:40:52 There's no real no no parking there at all it's gonna be sorry I've got I don't know if you can hear that ring on my phone.
13:41:00 Sorry very clearly I can't really turn it off for a moment. So, parking Actually, the rock landowners are like the neighbors downstream.
13:41:14 The Restics are willing to have people park on their property and access up onto the rock property.
13:41:21 They've been very generous with people's use of walking through.
13:41:26 In fact, they they converted an old shack that's right next to the historic how creek flow into a little spot that you could.
13:41:38 You could rest and sleep in if you were hyking on the trail and i'm.
13:41:44 The weather was bad. Smells a little mousey but it's It's it's been made very welcoming by the neighbors. Very cool.
13:41:53 Yeah, is there any development on the property currently? No,
13:42:02 How do you anticipate integrating with that trail other than what Greg just mentioned in that kind of informal use that people are allowed?
13:42:15 Yeah, I think that is probably the extent of what we would just continue with.
13:42:21 Is that informal use? Because when you look at the Pacific Northwest trail maps, they actually show the main route going up like off road.
13:42:30 Oh, interesting. Okay, pioneer and honestly I don't know with with Ryan ears.
13:42:37 Higher control of public access. I don't know what sort of official arrangement.
13:42:44 Pacific Northwest trails has, with Rainier for access through their properties for that trail.
13:42:51 So I think we would just continue with kind of the end.
13:42:57 The informal understanding that people could use and block onto the rapid property
13:43:03 And would there be any management on the timberlands that are growing up other than you know, building more buffers around the other tributaries?
13:43:12 Ultimately, as I was saying, that the alder has really come in heavily, and is actually preventing some regrowth of the fur.
13:43:23 So species and cedar species and so in the long run we'd like to do some small patch cuts to open it up and allow that kind of for regeneration, and try and get a more diverse
agent species,
13:43:36 composition to help with climate resiliency so that's the longer plan.
13:43:42 But for the purposes of this proposal we're actually applying for funding that would help with that initial restoration within the buffers.
13:44:00 Great. Well, oh, montes onto your screen sharing Oh, You're muted that's the brand oh!
13:44:09 And was talking about from 2018 that replaced the fish barrier.
13:44:13 Culbert there on salmon creek wow that's amazing.
13:44:16 Yeah, really amazing job was a team effort, fishing, wildlife and conservation district.
13:44:27 And my interest in everyone's great other eric Kuzma success story there.
13:44:34 Yeah, really great, and it saved sherry and her volunteers.
13:44:43 Live hoisting multiple sandbags every year.
13:44:45 Oh, yeah, for to deal with the covert so yeah let's look at quilting farmland.
13:44:54 Okay, let me just close down some of those here. So
13:45:01 The other application that We're applying or one of the other applications that we're applying for is for 2 farms located down at the head of Pelosi Bay, and as you may know,
this is a project
13:45:13 area that the Land Trust is been working on for a long time and I'm. hoping that you can see my map now.
13:45:22 We actually have been involved down there at the head of the bay since the mid nineties, when we accepted an easement on the quilting heights conservation area, and then subsequent
to that we actually
13:45:39 acquired this 22 acre property from the Schmidt family.
13:45:44 Who this farm here but this green area that included Donovan Creek and a bit of Jake Way Creek was experiencing a lot of wetland conversion from pasture land.
13:45:57 And they agree to sell it to us, and we also acquired a 6 plus acre area from George Hansbury and did some restoration work in both of those areas in partnership with the hood
canal Sam an enhancement
13:46:13 group, and with a lot of volunteer effort that still is ongoing.
13:46:19 We had at that time also hoped to be able to work with the the landowner that all of this farm, with a beautiful historic barn right on Mcinnis road, and we were able to work
in some small capacity
13:46:39 with hood, can I? Salmon enhancements?
13:46:42 Groups help to just do a little bit of work along the stretch of Donovan Crete that comes through that property.
13:46:48 But the landowners were not interested in anything more than that, or any sort of permanent protection.
13:46:55 So we were. we put that on hold, hoping that, someday in the the future, we would have an opportunity to work with the landowners to preserve not only that stretch of the creek,
and maybe do some additional restoration
13:47:08 with partners, but also protect the rest of it as a working farm.
13:47:14 Meanwhile we worked with the Mayhem family to preserve a 80 acre property that includes the headwaters of Jakeway Creek, some agricultural land working forest and forest, preserve
on this 80 acres
13:47:32 in this kind of for us to be integrated fish farm forest project, and that closed in december of 2020, I think, or 2021.
13:47:47 I'm not quite sure the date's all run together anyway.
13:47:54 The the at the time. The schmidt's also we're interested in moving forward with an easement on their remaining 67 acres.
13:48:03 Their intention is to sell the property hopefully to the May hands.
13:48:08 But ideally before they sell to see the property protected for farmland and for the Jakequake Creek habitat that runs through.
13:48:21 So, knowing that that was in the works, we started to look for funding for the Schmid farm, and didn't make a lot of headway on that until we learned that the this property
had changed hands and now we have a family
13:48:38 that bought this 57 acre property, or 53 acre something like that.
13:48:45 Adjacent to the Schmidt so this application that we've submitted to the State Firmland preservation program is for both the Humbleberry farm property which is now called, and
the Schmid Farm for
13:49:00 purchase of conservation easements on these 2 farms that will preserve them as working farmland. Reduce the development potential on both of them.
13:49:11 Allow for hopefully some restoration on Donovan Creek.
13:49:15 The landowners are very interested in working with the Hood Canal coordinating Council, or or who can I see an enhancement group and or the Conservation district on Donovan
Creek and Maybe the the
13:49:27 Schmidt or feature landowners may be open to some further restoration.
13:49:31 On January. So the funding sources for these 2 farmland preservation efforts would include the State farmland preservation. Grant program as well as Rappy funding, which, as
you know, has been a pretty amazing source
13:49:49 of match funding for farmland, forest land, and fish habitat projects.
13:49:55 So repi repi funding has it's on their list for funding.
13:50:00 When we have a line, the other sources of funding, we may also apply for conservation features.
13:50:07 Next year for this effort, which in the long run would protect about 105 acres of farmland there, and build on the previous successes that we've had to protect fish habitat,
and wetland habitat working
13:50:25 forest forest, preserves, and and agricultural land.
13:50:31 So like that's the summary of that project and I'm happy for any questions you might have on those there.
13:50:41 I'm. Curious what your vision is to the the the firm land so you could do some restoration right pairing restoration.
13:50:49 And then what do you have for the remaining Firmland?
13:50:52 So the Hubbleberry farm landowners are already bringing that farm back to life.
13:50:59 They are Both farms are currently paid and have some cattle grazing on this humbleberry farm.
13:51:07 Cattle are grazing down in this area the soils in in this upper area, and the topography lend themselves to treaties.
13:51:18 So they're planting they're planning on planting numerous nut and fruit trees up in this area, and continuing with animal production and fruit production down in this area.
13:51:29 The one of the landowners there is the equipment manager at Sunfield Farm, and he and his wife are really excited about bringing that farm back online.
13:51:44 Should farm has been pasture land and cattle grazing for a long time, and it's anticipated that that will probably be the continued use on that farm when it passes to the next
landowners but there the
13:51:58 the land has been leased for grain production as well in the past, so there are some multi-use possibilities.
13:52:05 There the there is an irrigation right for stockwatering from Jake White Creek, and not so much irrigation for the remainder of the property for row crops, unless they want
to do dry land farming which of course, has
13:52:20 been working for grain production
13:52:27 The other questions on this project area for Sarah. yeah.
13:52:35 The who can I say? an enhancement group in the county work together to replace the covert with a bridge for Donna Creek under East Quill Road?
13:52:44 Right there , and we'd be really interested in any partnerships we could develop to replace the covert just to the west, under the R.
13:52:54 Or to the east coast seen road right there it's a 3 foot metal callvert to trust it out and
13:53:03 So far we haven't been able to gain a lot of excitement around partnering with the county on that.
13:53:10 But with all this activity, upstream, restoration and and conservation easements would be great if we could work with others to generate some interest in that culver.
13:53:25 So. yeah, Well, I think it it's looking like the the canal same and Enhancement group is likely going to be taking the lead on any sort of restoration on Donovan Creek, which
of course will need
13:53:40 to be aligned with what the landowners are thinking they're talking about.
13:53:46 They? they're willing and open for a little bit of remander and broader buffer on that stretch right now.
13:53:54 It's just like a 15 foot buffer along either side of the creek, but perhaps a conversation with a C.
13:54:00 Seg about other activities down here. that could be included in whatever funding they'll be seeking for the work.
13:54:10 Further upstream might might be a good way. to no I'll talk to Mandy about that
13:54:18 Any other questions. Sounds good this exciting sarah new landowners and and help with the transition of you know folks that have had the the Smith farm for a long time into
whatever's next for them.
13:54:42 So yeah, really exciting. Let me stop that share close down a little bit, and then A project that is near and dear too many of us.
13:54:54 And has been ongoing ever since I started with Land Trust years ago since the dawn of the ages is the quote for Wildlife quarter project, and, as you know, we have been not
only working on this project since the
13:55:15 early nineties. but The county has been really supportive of it in the past.
13:55:20 With the numerous conservation teachers applications that we've submitted over the years for individual parcel acquisitions, and several years ago,
13:55:33 We decided that we were going to attempt another really big push in the late ninetys.
13:55:38 We did a capital campaign, and we're able to secure a number of key puzzle pieces that help connect these series of wetlands and the city's largest brandage basin with habitat
with a big core
13:55:57 habitataries. And so, as you know, the the project stretches across the Northwest Peninsula includes privately protective lands with easements.
13:56:07 It includes the properties that are in the Trustland transfer program with the 50 releases It includes the privately held Table's Lake Reserve that is, protected with covenants.
13:56:23 And then it transitions and it's got some some connector pieces that were.
13:56:29 We've been trying to build better out on the county but it also, once it moves into the city.
13:56:36 Connects a lot of city own properties with purchase of privately all properties that follow the 100 year during each quarter that you can see here in blue.
13:56:47 I'm going to zoom in a little bit more and show you a little more detailed map here, so you can see this map now.
13:57:04 So With this big push we reached out to over a 120 land owners in 2,020, and we had 40.
13:57:13 5 of them respond to say we're potential interested in working with you and I don't.
13:57:19 They included some of the lands in between the Dnr.
13:57:22 Quimper West and Tibos Lake here in the county, and then a lot of them in the
13:57:31 Cappies trails, portion of the clipper live quarter as well.
13:57:33 So we applied for the wildlife habitat funding with our Co.
13:57:39 And 2020, and we came to you back then because we needed to do this same government conferral process.
13:57:48 We were not successful at getting that grant. Then, since then we launched a very significant campaign with the community to raise close to 2 million dollars.
13:58:01 And We've had some amazing response and we've received some incredible land donations and picked up a lot of parcels in this area.
13:58:12 That we have been working on for years, but we do not have enough money to complete and work with all of those willing sellers.
13:58:22 And, secondly, as you know, the real estate boom has created a really dramatic jump in values so properties that we may have been able to pick up for the assessed value, or
sometimes less than the assessed value in the
13:58:37 corridor are now double the assessed value.
13:58:41 So our original estimate for freeing for these. for this project has gone up considerably, and so we are reapplying in 2022, Hopefully, with a better chance, because we can
demonstrate the incredible community support for
13:58:58 this and pick up some of those parcels that we haven't been able to pick up, and we also can show the match that we have secured in land donation, and and got a waiver.
13:59:15 We've we've applied for a waiver of retroactivity for all those parcels that we've required already, so that we can show that as match or be reimbursed, and apply that to other
13:59:25 acquisitions. so I think that's that's the general summary.
13:59:33 These these properties that are outlined and red are still those that we're hoping to acquire from those willing sellers.
13:59:40 We continue to have new landowners or landowners that didn't reply to that letter initially contact us again and say, Hey, you know we're now finally ready to consider selling.
13:59:55 So when you apply for a multi parcel project like this, Areco gives us some flexibility to shift the funding.
14:00:04 If we have another landowner that comes along and says you know we're gonna trust it. and someone else says No, we're not at this point.
14:00:12 So. we're we're applying again and we hope that this time around we'll have better luck securing the funding from Rco.
14:00:21 Any questions on that
14:00:27 Oh, what are the I mean? What are the big gaps that are remaining that aren't marked in blue or red, here or green?
14:00:38 Well, this this area here between Tibbles and Dnr.
14:00:44 Is one that we really hope to pick up and there's there's another possibility in here.
14:00:48 Maybe So we wanna tie dnr west through with Quimper that's an important stretch One of the things that that changed over the years.
14:01:02 Is that our focus in the quipper wildlife border wasn't just about following this 100 year drainage corridor.
14:01:11 But it was also protecting really important trail buffers.
14:01:15 And this is the 39 Street trail. This is the Sapphart, or Garnet Trail.
14:01:25 This is Howard Street, here, or Hendrik Street here.
14:01:29 This is Thomas Street. So protecting those trail quarters is a really critical component of this project.
14:01:38 And in fact, we had a trail cam up. then documented 14,000 users.
14:01:48 Wow! on this trail, last year, so it's it's a really key recreational area, as well as being important for carbon sequestration.
14:02:00 And while life movement So picking up buffer properties along these trail corridors is really important.
14:02:11 We're still missing a few pieces in this area within the city, and some along these segments of trail.
14:02:18 Here any other questions for Sarah. you guys on this project area, Monty.
14:02:32 Not for me. we've been hearing about this for a long time.
14:02:39 Yeah. Well, thanks, Sarah. 3 great projects. Yeah. correct. Did you?
14:02:45 Were you leaning in with a question? I I was, you know, more of a comment just, you know.
14:02:49 Thanks for for diving a little deeper with us and and letting us know.
14:02:53 I think we're all really supportive of all of these projects, and i'll, you know, as you said, you know, contract, you know, conservation to this kind of area is is really critical
climate adaptation.
14:03:05 Technique, as well as all of the other conservation benefits it.
14:03:09 It conveys i'm wondering other than just not standing in the way. What can we do to support these efforts?
14:03:17 Thank you. I appreciate that. You have the ability to reach out and submit a letter of support of these 2.
14:03:26 Rco. so that would be greatly appreciated if you were willing to do that.
14:03:32 We I think it's july thirteenth is the final date that they're accepting.
14:03:38 But they're accepting additional Materials in our grant applications County.
14:03:45 You know Cc. is willing to support all 3 of them a little better.
14:03:48 That would be great. You think it would be sorry it's stronger to have 3 letters or one letter, or that's good question.
14:03:57 Probably I don't know. 3 letters might be a better thing just so that they can see each each one, because there are different applications in different categories, too.
14:04:08 It seems like that would make sense i'd be happy to work with you, Sarah, to kind of get come up with a draft that we can.
14:04:16 We can throw in front of the board here for consideration.
14:04:19 Great. Yeah, I'm i'm wondering if we got letters from you, and that first go.
14:04:25 Maybe we can look into the files that we have earlier for some templates.
14:04:30 Sounds good, excellent, thank you. I appreciate that. Well, thanks for coming today and I'm.
14:04:40 Dating us on all these projects. awesome work and We'll be back when we have results from the trust land transfer appraisal.
14:04:47 So sure appreciate all of your help and support in this as we work through together.
14:04:54 Thank you. Yeah, very worthwhile projects. Thank you. Thanks. You guys, take care, bye, bye,
14:05:11 I almost left the meeting. Where are you going? Well, we have a few minutes until 2 30.
14:05:20 We could do our look forward. Calendaring sounds good
14:05:32 Who wants to start and i'm happy to start if don't look for it.
14:05:41 So this week tomorrow I have that Ymca.
14:05:51 Youth and family group meeting and then kate and I have the Board of Health Expansion subcommittee, and then I'm meeting with a farmer and chimney come in the afternoon Wednesday
i'm not
14:06:03 working. I have a couple of calls in the morning. but
14:06:08 I have some important summer activities to take care of on Wednesday trying to be mysterious.
14:06:18 Thursday morning I have a coffee meeting, in the morning, and then Community Foundation Board meeting and then I guess Monty and I will check in about next week's agenda, and
then we have Board of health set after afternoon
14:06:34 and Friday is an all day tour of Davea Bay Trustland transferred tour with legislators.
14:06:43 And Commissioner France and I think what what we figured out is I'm gonna attend the beginning of that from contact setting and historical perspective, because i'm I guess i'm
old and I've been around a long time no just
14:06:58 to help provide the context. and then i'm gonna tap out and Greg's gonna tap in for the afternoon walk on the proposed Dave Bob at Bay National area.
14:07:11 Experience. Mary Jean ryan's home in the afternoon.
14:07:15 So that's all day. Friday and then looking to next week we all have Monday off.
14:07:25 We have a short meeting next Tuesday, the Scc.
14:07:28 Meeting, and then we have a transit meeting in the afternoon because the transit meeting was already there. and then the juneteenth holiday got put on top, and we didn't really
have the foresight to make that adjustment a
14:07:41 year ago. I guess. And then yeah, I mean just some other meetings things next week.
14:07:51 So I don't have any conflicts that I need any help with, and just letting you guys know that i'm out most of the day.
14:07:58 I'm Wednesday this week
14:08:08 I I know. Next, let's see relatively light week for me actually, which is good since some technical issues with my phone and Internet.
14:08:19 So I'm a little behind on on email communications the technical issues where I left my phone here for going to Olympia.
14:08:27 So I didn't have them all Weekend but tomorrow have the tourism coordinating council, and I was invited to the the human services with Ymca.
14:08:40 But I will not be there, So could no core issues there have a seventh Haven development meeting on Wednesday, and I think we're actually going to the cost of brown village meeting
on Thursday this week.
14:08:54 Had a olycap meeting wednesday. but I a few critical cases of critical staff that have and and board members that have Covid unfortunately, have pushed nap, so we'll try to
do push that to the next
14:09:10 week. meeting with some folks. Thursday. Of course we have the Board of Health Meeting on Thursday.
14:09:21 Jay bat on Friday and then I need details about when when and ex room reminder of exactly where Mary Jeans place is to meet on Friday.
14:09:35 But I have the afternoon that I can dedicate to that.
14:09:37 So look forward to another walk in the woods and that's that's my week coming up
14:09:46 Add one thing on casual brown the Olympic Discovery Trail meeting the other night.
14:09:51 I just wanted to share that they expressed some concern about us.
14:09:55 Contemplating turning over ownership of castle Brown. I don't know if I shared that with you.
14:10:02 Yeah, I don't think so. but anyway. they're just they've they would like the county to retain site control or ownership just because of their trail interests there.
14:10:14 So just wanted to pass that along it sounds I heard the last week I don't think that'll be a problem I mean it doesn't sound like we're contemplating the transference of ownership
14:10:26 realistically, and course that he's meant that the trails on is independent of that in any of event.
14:10:32 So even if we did, we would still maintain control of the trail itself.
14:10:35 Yeah, they were just they had heard something and were concerned and I said I don't think that's the case, but i'll pass along the concern
14:10:45 Right i've got a busy week. this week cause i'm out almost all of next week.
14:10:50 So packing it in before I leave town let's See if that a call to my work with screw up the hook now coordinated council in preparation for our meeting later this week.
14:11:02 Just gonna imagine we'll be discussing that the action agenda and the new funding model where the have the national estuary funds get distributed statewide.
14:11:13 So you know, trying to prepare ourselves to be in a good position to to get some of those funds.
14:11:21 Let's see I didn't have the same ymca meeting on my calendar Heidi.
14:11:31 So you're putting to attend that's great I will not then.
14:11:36 Well, I I let's talk about that I mean I have been It was called in something else, but I confirm with Tanya that this is taking the place of the meeting that I have been attending
in the past so I don't know if
14:11:46 they combined 2 meetings into this meeting or i've just rerouting it to this one.
14:11:53 But if you've been attending this meeting I mean it's, it's for us to decide who wants to attend going forward.
14:12:02 Yeah, do you know the i've been attending the youth age, band, chip work group, and i'm wondering is that what was combined with this?
14:12:31 Well, either way i'm happy to attend or if or defer to you.
14:12:37 So i'm happy to just keep going I mean perfect.
14:12:41 Okay, the Economic Development Council is created a new finance committee that i'll be serving on which meets for the first time this week, and I think that's good because there's
been some lack of
14:12:54 clarity around funding, and different contracts with the counties.
14:12:59 So. Also Edc is like a mature last week having some anticipating some funding gaps that in the work that they're trying to do to meet the contractual obligations that we have
set forth in various
14:13:13 agreements. they're concerned about their ability to to deliver that with the funding that they currently have.
14:13:20 So be thinking, strategically about that that's great because in my meeting with Cindy.
14:13:26 And this is why I brought this back to and i'm so glad you're focused on it.
14:13:29 I mean. she just said that 3 contracts and then we've now learned that there are 4 different contracts with the county.
14:13:36 Seems like there may be some way to make that more efficient so i'm glad you're you're digging in on that friend where awesome I think you mentioned the board of health expansion
14:13:51 subcommittee. in that meeting as well tomorrow, and then a climate action committee meeting afternoon admittedly.
14:13:59 I've not looked at the agenda for that let's see. Then policy management group needs on Wednesday.
14:14:08 Somebody one has any particular Covid items they want.
14:14:13 Address. Let me know and be sure to bring that up. Then Hook, Connector Meeting Council meeting Wednesday afternoon Thursday morning meeting with John Morrow.
14:14:22 Just discussing the number of city, County overlapping projects and interests, followed by the Monthly Development Council Board meeting.
14:14:33 Then Our youth Advisory Board, I think, is the use H band.
14:14:39 See that that one this one is changing games too so that's probably.
14:14:42 Why meets Thursday midday
14:14:46 And then Board of Health Thursday afternoon with both of you Friday.
14:14:52 Oh, hey, Monty, are you you still there? you with us I've been meeting to reach out Monty to ask about the Prtpo Executive board meeting?
14:15:03 Because we also have Jefferson County coordination meeting overlapping. I'm here.
14:15:10 So what what would you like to discuss there's not really I mean I really I really value going to pr tpo.
14:15:23 But i'm kind of responsible for the covid coordination meeting.
14:15:26 So I'm wondering, are you planning to attend one or the other.
14:15:33 I can certainly go to the prtpo meeting i'm.
14:15:40 Then the backup. good. and I could be there the first half hour, but then would have to step out, which it's that conference is unfortunate.
14:15:47 I guess It's. only quarterly but you know we we kind of doubled down on the coordination meeting being the third Fridays. and so that's gonna conflict every time with Pr Tpo.
14:16:02 So what do work on that longer term but so maybe for this week, if you don't mind sticking staying at Pr Tpo the whole time, and i'll jump off after half hours, and go to covid
14:16:13 coordination. Okay, thank you. and I that pretty much reps up my week.
14:16:21 So then if I can just jump to the next week that's okay.
14:16:24 So monday's the holiday and then tuesday i'll be joining the meeting by phone as long as I can.
14:16:30 But headed out of town mostly vacation, Although I will be joining some meetings.
14:16:36 I like the housing fund board meeting greg i'll join and i'll be joining at our Dc.
14:16:46 So doing, doing some important meetings while i'm away but set the week of the twentieth you're talking about right now.
14:16:52 Okay, So how do you in agenda planning for next month? Tuesday?
14:17:00 If you don't mind just if there's anything that we really need a a full 3 person board vote out If we could push that early in the meeting, that'd be great.
14:17:09 Okay, Okay, And then on policy management. I just was wondering about kind of the the evolution of Covid.
14:17:21 And you know the like. Our current thing of because we have a high case count.
14:17:24 We're doing virtual meetings when do we start talking about the the move towards it being more of an endemic situation, and that we just aren't in in-person meetings again i'm
just throwing it out
14:17:38 there, and not because we just changed our policy recently. I know with that the dial Yeah.
14:17:48 Yeah, and study, though, because so many things are like so many other places are dropping all restrictions.
14:17:56 And that's funny that we're doubling down on virt virtual. I mean the the rates are higher, but you know I mean it might be endemic, but it's it's very endemic
14:18:12 Yeah, but certainly can ask if there's any any kind of you know change in in how we interpret those numbers for for use in the general population.
14:18:22 Ask Dr. barry. that and you know frankly it's sort of easier to have those conversations offline, and we're not in a public meeting.
14:18:30 There's a lot of value in in that meeting for that reason. So she might be hearing other stuff from other communities.
14:18:38 Yeah, cause she's more in that round about than we are yeah, yeah.
14:18:41 But we've had you know quite a few cases within Well, yeah, we all get those alerts almost every day. Yeah, yeah, within the courthouse itself.
14:18:51 So we know that there's transmission re good reason to believe some of that's happening at work.
14:18:53 So. yeah, I think we're we're still wise to be cautious, but we'll bring that
14:19:05 Anything else on the Calendar topic i'll say next week. I'm out of town a little bit as well Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
14:19:14 I'll be on the West end going to the whole resiliency picnic and floating down the hoe as well to get a different perspective on it, and visit the Hoboken House Hobbies house
and Then some of
14:19:24 the other people that I don't get to see too often.
14:19:33 I don't understand nice and i'm gonna be going out there in mid July.
14:19:38 And staying at the on the tribal land with the Chatauqua.
14:19:42 So I'm, looking forward to having a few days of more intensive time with the tribe. and probably will pick your brain, Greg and Monty about.
14:19:51 Is there any contacts or places are people I shouldn't visit while i'm out there?
14:19:56 Great Monty. any anything any interim or acting. What's your acting county administrator the support you need from us?
14:20:13 No thanks for asking in the first 6Â h.
14:20:19 So far nothing no crisis has emerged that i'm aware of so .
14:20:26 I'll check in with Julie and Carolyn and Eddie L.
14:20:32 So, Monty, Mark and I usually check in with Each other on Thursday afternoon to go over the next week's agenda that'd be happy to do That I can just share the meeting with you
it's
14:20:45 i'll tell you Now what it is and then I can share the calendar.
14:20:50 It's usually 1 30 to 2. 30 that's fine although that this Thursday I have a meeting from one to 2, so can I make it at 2.
14:21:04 Okay, Okay, great. Anything else that we Wanna share for good to the order.
14:21:18 Maybe we will take a break until 2, 30 that'd be great recess until 2 30 come back at 2 30 to talk in terms of housing ordinance.
14:32:00 John . prove my the motion of the panelists Okay, So i'm gonna call us back to order to 30 and I think we're bringing barbara over as well and Brent
14:32:23 Anyone else that we need to bring it over. Brent used to. Oh, there he goes, Barbara.
14:32:33 You need to approve the panelist promotion I think that's the gangs all here. So we're called back to order, and we are continuing our discussion of deliberation and discussion,
room and following our hearing on an
14:32:54 ordinance, repealing or replacing interimordinates 0 8, 1, 2, 1321, and adopting zoning regulations for the siding establishment and operation of temporary, homeless facilities
and
14:33:08 unincorporated areas of Jefferson County.
14:33:14 Deliveries and discussion so sorry i'm turning off all my versions of Av.
14:33:22 That are running everywhere. So I think we left with some outstanding questions.
14:33:28 So we just wanna recap those It seemed like one area of concern was changes that had been made between the planning Commission meeting version of this ordinance and the one
that we reviewed today.
14:33:43 Do we want to start with that? Where? where do we want to start?
14:33:46 I I think that through the chair Am I coming in loud and clear?
14:33:54 You are, Brend. Very good, Thank you. I think it would be good to identify some of the pathways moving forward, and and then to go into detail on some of the specific changes.
14:34:11 That may not meet the community's expectation so that we can make sure that it's more in line with what the community expects.
14:34:23 And so I have a brief slide. talking about considerations based on deliberations, and one of the pathways that I wanted to share with you That, I think would enable us to move
forward with later changes is to adopt
14:34:40 a temporary housing facilities. ordinance now is amended by the comments that we've heard today, and can consider new changes to the temporary housing facilities during the
view of the permanent housing
14:34:55 ordinance. that will give us a time to to fully vet some of the permanent housing ordinance issues.
14:35:05 And then we would adopt and modify the ordinance presented today with those comments.
14:35:13 That we've received to keep of the difference in permitting timelines for tents and tiny homes and villages, as we've heard of the community has a desire to see and in the process
of looking at
14:35:28 permitted housing, make additional amendments to the temporary regulations as N.
14:35:36 And so, instead of going to some of those areas about the ordinance, let's move to the next slide because, like I just wanted to highlight The reason Some of the concerns that
we've had regarding a type
14:35:53 5 process is that it creates a quasi-judicial role for both the Planning Commission and the county Commissioners were none currently exists.
14:36:03 They would need to be training for the planning commission and the Commissioners.
14:36:10 Because this would involve a parents of fairness. X.
14:36:14 Partake contacts would not be allowed, You would be sitting as the judge as well as the planning commission.
14:36:22 In such cases. And then there's legal liability that attaches, an improper process, and then there would be additional amendments to the code that we would need time to review
the structural changes that were recorded are also ones that
14:36:39 would need additional time to review Eps stands for essential public facilities.
14:36:46 That process follows the comp plan amendment process so lengthy a process.
14:36:56 More balances and checks. We would also need to look at Well, bypassing.
14:37:01 The planning commission would need to be written into the code, and so we would need to look at that.
14:37:05 And also the other option of having the hearing examiner recommendation.
14:37:13 As one that would go to the board is an alternative that we could also look at.
14:37:18 But if we go back to the previous slide I was thinking that if we were today to adopt temporary housing facilities, ordinance that specifically addresses the comments that we've
heard and then we can come
14:37:35 back and make more lasting changes when we're looking at the permanent and at that juncture.
14:37:44 I believe. Josh and Joel can look at those specific amendments, and I know that
14:37:54 The ordinance. is available to be pulled up, Josh. Is that correct?
14:38:00 And maybe yeah commissioners, through these changes and the first one being that we've recognized that the community so strong preference.
14:38:14 And I apologize for having that change in there.
14:38:14 That that change specific to Trying to have a similar process was really one that sought to reduce the administrative burden.
14:38:28 Having separate least terms for uses that may fall within the same housing site. So i'm gonna and so Joel is pulling up the ordinance currently as amendments that would be responsive
to what we've
14:38:48 heard today,
14:38:55 Okay, I can speak to this josh's operating the folder under 3.
14:39:04 They concern is that we have 2 different time periods allowed for tents versus tiny structures, and in those sites that may have a mixed use of both of them.
14:39:17 We've created a alright difficult situation of of which ones can go forward in which can state so this change moves them both to one duration as had been done in the past.
14:39:32 But it moves it to the longer duration. So we have stricken the 180 day with 2 extensions to include both as the 6 months to a year, with 2 extensions of a year, which could
be a
14:39:48 total of 3. So it simply chose the longer duration between tents and tiny structures versus the shorter duration.
14:39:59 And that's what was in the previous draft that was the planning Commission had received the previous strata reviewed by the planning commission included the differential tense
facilities being shorter duration than tiny structure
14:40:16 villages. This change would make tense the same duration as tiny village or tiny structure.
14:40:23 Villages. Okay, Thank you.
14:40:35 I'm happy to support that change I think we're asking a lot of the sponsors set up being a lot of work into
14:40:44 These applications, and a a year is a good amount of time to to, you know.
14:40:49 Try it out. I appreciate that they are renewable so that we have an opportunity after each year to assess how it's going, and the appropriateness of it.
14:40:59 So. I support this change. I agree. I do as well.
14:41:06 Now. The second edit that we did in response to the public comments was in the Site Security plan.
14:41:14 Looking at the area that had language about lawyering, etc.
14:41:21 Oh, I see, we're at a a different change here regarding the sex offender and warrant checked language.
14:41:29 We do have this in various and in another place in the ordinance, where it says what to do, Who to call when you do have a hit on the a warrant or sex offender?
14:41:43 This is the submitted requirements. So we took this out of the submittal requirements, and change this the language, so that it is a statement of actions that the applicant
will take to obtain verifiable information from
14:41:55 all facility residents through the appropriate agencies, rather than seeing how what they should be checking for.
14:42:06 Just that they're checking for background information through the appropriate agencies, and then for the loitering, etc., changing the language to a plan for managing un permitted
occupation in the perimeter
14:42:25 area of the facility. This changes removes the language from managing, loitering, pan, handling and un permitted camping in the area of homeless services.
14:42:40 So. This gives us the same plan, the same discretion for developing a plan regarding un permitted occupation like it.
14:42:55 Yeah. good. So we just wanted to point out as Well, that there still is the language about registered sex offenders there.
14:43:08 But we thought that in this context it it just made sense to keep it.
14:43:11 But we just wanted to point it out that's Why, I highlighted it because it was mentioned earlier today in the comments along with loitering.
14:43:19 Thank you. Dr. Can you explain this a little bit? This sorry this is under See?
14:43:26 So this means that under the safety and security plan so this doesn't isn't a de facto ban on any sex offenders in any encampment. but just that you need to any background checks
that turn it up needs to
14:43:40 be worked into the safety plan? or when can you dive into it a little more?
14:43:47 What the actual permutations are. i'm gonna defer to Joel and to Barbara on this on this point.
14:43:56 But I think exactly how you just said that Commissioner Brotherton, is is how it is it?
14:44:01 Basically, this is a plan, and every site is going to be different. Right?
14:44:03 So if there were to be identified, individuals who who meet this criterion, that it would be just part of the plan, and I think the neighborhood would appreciate that attention,
and then
14:44:17 It's similar to the instead of calling out specific activities like loitering or panhandling, or un permitted camping.
14:44:24 We just said occupation outside of the perimeter area of the facilities.
14:44:29 In other words, it it could very well be something that's more of an urban style issue right where you have sort of spillover effects that are outside of the permitted area.
14:44:39 But nonetheless just having language in there for managing that in case it were to happen, then we'd want to have that as part of it, I again I defer to my colleagues who spent
more time discussing this in front of
14:44:46 the planning commission. item F. with just saying implementation of background checks and compliance with applicable registration.
14:44:58 Notification requirements would encompass registered sex offender.
14:45:01 Notification requirements, so we could here again remove that language.
14:45:07 And a lab the discretion of our law enforcement to determine what the results are going to be.
14:45:18 This does kind of bait us into that question of we're pulling out situation and highlighting it.
14:45:31 And so here again I I would also agree that we can take it out.
14:45:37 Without losing the intent of what these background checks are for for compliance with applicable registration and and notification requirements so just removing the words registered
sex off into the highlighted words and the meaning
14:45:55 would essentially be the same, and you know if if i'm running, you know, a tiny tiny shelter that has families.
14:46:03 Then I probably am not going to. I definitely am not going to allow registered sex offenders.
14:46:07 But there are some other opportunities situations where they might right.
14:46:11 So this this preserves that flexibility to make sure that we're not automatically disqualifying entire population.
14:46:18 That also need to be housed. Yes, and and the the goal is to prevent or to avoid unnecessarily highlighting them as an issue.
14:46:33 At the expensive of what it is already being done into it's kind of a touch point or flash point issue something.
14:46:47 I just I just highlighted the the introduction of that safety and security plan, so that you see what the context is.
14:46:52 Yeah, i'm Okay, with removing those words but like Barbara has something to add.
14:46:56 Yeah, the only caution I would have is that there is a registration requirement for sex offenders.
14:47:03 When they reside somewhere. Whether this applies to that or not is not something I can tell you off hand, but
14:47:13 That's the only concern I would have about that Barbara.
14:47:19 Is that what you're saying Well, it's just you know I think it's incumbent upon the individual to register.
14:47:30 But i'm not sure how it works in the context of you know some sort of a group living facility of some sort.
14:47:40 If there is some responsibility upon the operator of that facility to ensure that those things are done, I I just don't know offhand how the law reads so i'd have to look at
that Yeah, I
14:47:57 think that I would to keep in mind that one of the very important purposes of this ordinance is that may bring communities understand the protections that are being put in place.
14:48:10 And so I think continuing to call this out has some value. in in in representing that there in in circumstances where there is a requirement that that sponsors are are responsible
for ensuring that that those steps have been put into
14:48:29 place, and I know that the responsibility doesn't necessarily fall on the sponsor.
14:48:34 It falls on the be in this case registered sex offender. but you know I I do think that sponsors should be responsible for checking that information.
14:48:42 And you know. we're trying to put in layers of protection for for neighbors as well as our vulnerable and on house population.
14:48:52 Yeah, that that's a good argument I guess i'm with Kate.
14:48:55 I think we should leave it as it is I think is what you're arguing.
14:48:58 Yeah, if there were some fine tune language. But I I think that this this actually is finances
14:49:10 Background checks that we'd want included Well, where Where did we end up on the warrants active warrants.
14:49:19 That was the other issue, right?
14:49:37 There's a a warrant statement early on in the coordinates, I believe.
14:49:44 Yeah, i'll try a word search and that was what
14:49:50 The sheriff weighed in on correct, and read some clarification on language.
14:49:56 Yes,
14:50:03 Yeah, it's it's a delicate balance of you know, providing as much dignity as possible to our unhouse population, and also recognizing that that there is is, fear and discomfort
and some potential impacts to
14:50:17 neighbors. And so I think if you know, we would want to strike a balance of trying to anticipate and and mitigate for some of those impacts.
14:50:30 So some responsibility does fall, I believe, on on the county end, on the sponsors.
14:50:34 To do that. I think the operating agency as well.
14:50:37 I mean, I know that we had a real crime problem in the the shelter in the Legion for a while, until they, I believe, started, you know, checking for active warrants.
14:50:44 And if you know, someone has an active warrant there's often an action plan needs to happen that might involve showing in the door, and you know it's not exactly housing first,
but preserving the health and and safety of the
14:50:59 residents, and the surrounding area is kind of paramount.
14:51:03 In this The other area is 2 E.
14:51:15 Here, little 4, iv v they're 5 a
14:51:25 I'm sorry. can you set 2 what now 2 sorry e as an echo.
14:51:29 Okay, V:
14:51:41 You might have a different version of the ordinance than I do.
14:51:42 Okay here's an e v just up a little bit letter A.
14:51:51 So. these are instructions for making contact with the sheriff's office.
14:51:54 Active warrant match on sex offender check or opinion of the Security staff that there's a threat
14:52:05 So does there need to be a checking on the words before I mean
14:52:14 Earlier in the ordinances. there need to be
14:52:20 Under any fine. I guess here that would that would trigger the check there, I mean, if you don't check, then you're not gonna know if there's an active warrant, So I think I
think your point is a good one
14:52:31 hiding right where's the causal
14:52:50 So I just i'm just scrolling back up to where, and essentially what.
14:52:56 I was just peeking through the ordinance when we were working on it this afternoon, and notice that there was a specific reference to both sex offenders and warrant checks here.
in this sub 4 and so the only reason we even
14:53:08 crossed that out was in the context of the comments that were made earlier today.
14:53:14 But if it doesn't make sense for what you just the the overall context, then certainly we could go back to the language as proposed.
14:53:25 Checks that we then have the information we need to do.
14:53:30 The actions below. Then we need this here right
14:53:39 And it means the same thing either way it's just not explicit.
14:53:41 But I think there is probably some comfort for some and also creating a barrier for others with that, and I I think that's the balance that Kate was talking about.
14:53:51 That is awfully tough.
14:54:06 So that's what it looked like before the changes made
14:54:14 And do you have any sense? If this is common practice elsewhere?
14:54:23 I just tell you it is in Bellevue because I did a case there recently within the last year.
14:54:33 Hmm. And currently at Cisco Brown. Is there anything similar?
14:54:37 Do you know, great yeah they they do I I know they yes, I mean, they're getting families in so they're doing the text of vendor background check, and at you know they've got
active warrant checks I
14:54:55 know I I don't know that they did it when they move folks over here we can.
14:54:59 We could find out pretty easily. but, as I say, I know they started doing that at the Legion.
14:55:04 It. It rooted out some kind of some folks that were were really counterproductive to have it shelter.
14:55:15 Yeah, Yeah, I I guess i'm i'm again, feeling that you know if we are our allowing extraordinary land uses we we do.
14:55:28 Oh, may bring communities some checks. of those impacts.
14:55:35 So I can believe believe it is me, too. But I got this.
14:55:40 I do have a still housing. first question, mark, and circled my notes.
14:55:45 So that is not housing first, but I you know I think it's.
14:55:52 Probably neighbors would appreciate it, and you know it can lead to better health and safety conditions inside.
14:56:00 The encampment, or tent city, or whatever it is as well, and can also help direct folks to more services as well.
14:56:09 And also we'll push some people back out into the world
14:56:26 And I do want to remind the the Commission that we can revisit the some of these issues.
14:56:34 So when we look at the permanent signing, and so we do have an opportunity to further.
14:56:58 Is there anything
14:56:58 Is there anything else we need to discuss on this subtopic within this issue?
14:57:06 This is Josh. I just wanna make sure I understood.
14:57:08 If if a decision was made about this letter d here, in terms of changing some of that language, I think we all not at our heads to that, and said we thought it was good right
and then didn't change our minds 5Â min later,
14:57:23 Okay, So then, I understand that there are 2 changes.
14:57:28 We discussed this change, and we discussed, the 2 change down below. Those are the only 2 changes i'm aware of that we've discussed so far, and then I know you know Brent laid
out some choices to make in
14:57:38 terms of actions, and a couple of other small questions I know it was pointed out that maybe we don't have Udc. Administrator defined. and would that be 1,840?
14:57:54 Or where would where 1810 is udc administrator defined somewhere?
14:58:05 I'll check that for you
14:58:11 And then we look into the chamber pad, issue, cause it in the other part of the codes.
14:58:19 Section 8, as Joel thought it was
14:58:25 And no, we didn't look into that it would be entitled 8 that wouldn't be something that we're updating right now, and I don't know that seems like a holy mess waiting to happen
so udc
14:58:40 administrator isn't under the you definitions I know that it's probably actually define somewhere in the body of the code.
14:58:50 But it might be difficult to find this point of time, I mean, I think we also have.
14:58:57 The Udc administrator is. But we might need an explicit definition in in 1,810.
14:59:01 Well, we do have the term administrators is is prevalent throughout the code.
14:59:08 It doesn't have the qualifier udc and so i'm just looking at the term for administer the administrators decision.
14:59:17 Administrators interpretation, and so let's just maybe just assign it to administrator
14:59:21 8 o 5, authority, purpose and scope and department of community development duties and responsibilities.
14:59:31 I believe is where we're looking
14:59:38 It establishes a Udc administrator that can be delegated by the department director
14:59:55 1810 0, 0, 5, 18, o 5 I haven't found it yet.
15:00:00 But i'm searching so
15:00:17 Extensively in 1,840 in our permit.
15:00:18 Review procedures. is it defined there? Joel I think That's what we're looking for. is a definition of it. right?
15:00:31 Thank you, shows up and cut interpretation. cause It There's a section 1,843 70 administrators. decision.
15:00:41 It says the DCD. administrator's decision under 1810 Oh, one O.
15:00:48 Under the A's and definitions we do have administrator means the Jefferson County Department of Community Development director or designated representatives.
15:00:55 So maybe if we say administrator or Udc administrator in that place, Yeah, that would be the best place.
15:01:04 Yeah, Okay, So add a definition of administrator. There is a definition of administrator under a but maybe we just, we need to amended to say, Udc administrator, or administrator.
15:01:20 Okay, and maybe capitalize department of Community Development
15:01:55 So are there other changes that were made subsequent to the planning commission, finalizing their work that we need to discuss today
15:02:22 So I just wanna clarify the question that's what Barbara presented a few slides, probably like 6 or 7 slides this morning that talked about all the differences between the previous
version and the version that was published on
15:02:34 the website last week. Did you want to pull those slides back up to go over those, or did you?
15:02:40 Did you have something specific in mind, or are you just polling, I guess?
15:02:43 Just pulling because we we talked about earlier today. when we were gonna reconvene.
15:02:48 That's what we were gonna address where where the changes that have been made between the planning commission meeting and this version we were reviewing today.
15:02:55 So I just wondered if we touch them now. Right?
15:03:00 I I think that the slide deck does cover that. One of the oversights that we recognized was that it did not identify in the zoning of code where specifically temporary of facilities
that had always been
15:03:19 intended to be in the as it is at currently at the casual brown site in rural residential.
15:03:25 But we hadn't codified that so we call that in rural residential, as it was assumed by the planning commission. that was just an oversight.
15:03:34 And so we included that as well, so that oversight would make it all the way through.
15:03:40 So if that is a a use envisioned in the rural residential.
15:03:46 So that now has been correct, and that was probably the most significant of of the changes that we saw necessary.
15:03:54 That had been over overlooked the frequency and duration that was a big one.
15:04:00 How long they could last right. That was a change since the planning commission.
15:04:06 Yes, yes, and we we I think we've addressed that now we're.
15:04:09 We've gone to the lengthier period my era for choosing the the less lengthy venue.
15:04:16 But I I think we've addressed that now and we've addressed where it is allow in our our use table.
15:04:24 And i'm just gonna go back to those the comparison that Barbara shared.
15:04:30 See if there's anything else there of importance Oh, and I I had a request from the
15:04:40 Press for a copy of this slide deck. Could you guys send it to me so I can.
15:04:42 I can share it. The original side deck. Yes,
15:04:56 Yeah, that slide deck was already shared with Julie who said she printed it out?
15:05:09 Put it as part of the record
15:05:10 Okay, So i'm just just pulling up the slides again, real quickly.
15:05:15 So this was just to the table. And really, Barbara, you can jump in anytime.
15:05:19 You want? if you have anything specific, anything to add here.
15:05:23 But there were the definitions part we there's the site requirements part
15:05:44 This is the part we already discussed
15:05:55 Is that the safety plan which we discussed at least part of the safety plan, known every aspect of it.
15:06:01 But
15:06:05 Oh, I think there was a comment about definitions of, you know.
15:06:07 Tiny shelter versus training structure versus tents
15:06:15 So we did include a new definition. If you look at the slide 14 sorry slide.
15:06:24 10 that is, has the definitions operating, entities included, as well as as well as temporary structures. Right?
15:06:34 And we do have a definition for a temporary tenth facility.
15:06:38 It says Tiny shelter village, but I don't remember that let's see
15:06:53 Oh, yeah, it's in there. so tiny shelter village is in there it doesn't define actual tiny shelters or tiny structures.
15:07:07 I think barbara's point in testimony. was the temporary structures which glue includes tents and Rvs and tiny shelters is quite a wide.
15:07:19 Net. and then there might be a different definition I mean if they're the same thing.
15:07:23 Then what's the difference between a temporary tent facility and a temporary tiny shelter facility. so I don't know if I don't have a strong opinion about this, but I think
that was that was what
15:07:33 was raised, and and I would almost suggest commissioner brother can then that's something we could clarify when we come to the permanent permanent.
15:07:43 Housing ordinance. we can do a more thorough analysis and come with you with the suggestion. I'm okay.
15:07:53 With that timeline if I may interject it could also be out the context like if there's a a need during the in the language itself, to reference something more universally than
perhaps that's when it was used if I remember
15:08:06 correctly. Joel mentioned that the planning commission and I actually Joel can jump in if if he's got the story straight.
15:08:16 But the planning commission extended the hearing, and then closed it, and then some comments were received.
15:08:21 After that time, and those comments were then forwarded to the board, and that might have been a while ago.
15:08:26 So, if those are some of the earlier written comments it could have been, they could have been made prior to the Ordinance, as proposed, was published on the website last week.
15:08:34 If that makes sense so. that's correct we do have these definitions in Section 4 on page 6 of the ordinance for temporary housing facility, temporary structures, temporary tent
facility, and
15:08:47 temporary tiny shelter village. So I think there was that delay, and the in that comment that we had already addressed it
15:09:06 With usage of these definitions, we may come up with a better way to describe them.
15:09:13 When we adjust the permanent facility coordinates
15:09:27 Yes, I'm just moving on here to the next slide which was the code of conduct slide
15:09:36 And that was just a table. Oh, maybe we can go to the type 2.
15:09:40 That's the big the big question, is what's the pathway to this, I think, at least, Kate and I expressed an interest in some sort of public process, for before you know any any
of these temporary facilities
15:09:55 went up that's just feedback we could have done better at at every step along the way, and in dealing with surrounding neighborhoods.
15:10:04 When we're putting these in, so i'm not sure if I want to get into you know a quasi judicial role for for the Bocc.
15:10:12 You know, laid out like that. It does look a little daunting and counterproductive.
15:10:17 I guess my in tent and bring it up in the first place is that the issues that folks will raise are usually not that the facility doesn't match the code, but that the facility
doesn't match some I don't know
15:10:37 it it it doesn't belong and I I think it's it's if in's, if it's not an issue with the code, I'm not sure if it's a type, 2 or a type 3 or a type
15:10:46 5, or if it's just a public hearing to talk through the issues of potential citing of a facility that has a you know, a negative sheen to it, and a lot of neighbors minds at
least initially, I I
15:10:59 don't know the best way to manage that but i'm Okay with with rent suggestion that we delay on that a little bit, I I think, is what the situation was but sorry.
15:11:13 How do you do? you have something that say it was Table 8 who was the one that defined all the different steps you have to go go through.
15:11:26 Yeah, it was. and in the code table a dash, too.
15:11:30 But it just. it just describes the pro, the procedures, and that type of is a legislative procedure.
15:11:42 But I get that. I I also agree with you greg that I I think it's the the different every single scenario is gonna have its unique communities and differences and considerations.
15:11:56 And seems like before we, and potentially each facility is gonna have a different scope or scale, right?
15:12:03 And so, you know, we would want the flexibility to be able to have a community hearing or public input about citing a facility , somewhere , outside.
15:12:20 Just one thing, 1 one issue on this is: You have to remember that a quasi-judicial decision or process is much different than a legislative process. Legislative process.
15:12:34 You let everything in the door you can just, you know. Look at all of these things and apply them as you want.
15:12:39 Why was that judicial you are constrained to follow the code, even if it's a popular, or even if it's not really what you want to do?
15:12:52 And if you don't and there's a way to pick a hole in it, you know the somebody can come back and sue us over it, and you know potentially win because we haven't followed the
code.
15:13:01 So you know, the Board, sitting in a quasi judicial capacity, is much like a hearing examiner.
15:13:10 You have to follow all the same rules that he has to follow.
15:13:13 Just keep that in mind as part of this process and and I don't want us to sit in a quasi-judicial hearing role.
15:13:22 I guess that's that's and I I don't know if there is a appropriate place for us to go, because, as I said, I don't think it's going to be an issue with a particular facility
not
15:13:34 not aligning or harmonizing with the code. but it's going to be a conversation about how these sort of new facility harmonizes with the neighborhood and regardless of what code
we have those fears are still there and
15:13:52 I just I feel like we should have an opportunity. to give an opportunity to the neighbors to express that, and I I don't know the best mechanisms for doing that is type 5 is
legislative.
15:14:06 Is that right? Well, it is legislative, but they, The epf process, is thrown in there.
15:14:12 So that's probably something we ought to examine is whether that is appropriate the way it's what is in there right now.
15:14:19 I think most jurisdictions, if they wanted to have their legislative body pass judgment on a quasi judicial permit.
15:14:30 They would have the hearing examiner do the underlying decision and make a recommendation to the Board about how to do it.
15:14:39 So you would have a pre formulated decision already written out that you could fly, spec and determine, You know, hey?
15:14:45 We don't like that conclusion and here's why, which is a whole lot different than having to sort of make it up out of whole cloth yourself, you know.
15:14:56 So so we do that same process with an a type 2 administrative and just, you know, if we had a administrative review, and then just say, and you know, there's also gonna be a
public hearing with the Udc administrator
15:15:10 and and the Bocc. to review. Yeah, we could invent a new process
15:15:17 That's possible. you know again. I think to brent's point you know. that's something we could do as we're looking at this the permanent facility ordinance we could make that
a moment and and
15:15:31 there's also a pathway that we haven't mentioned is you know we do have standard operating procedures.
15:15:37 But We could, in that area of discretion, identify what those standard operating procedures should be in the siding.
15:15:46 For example, in California. They look at the the density of Luther establishments in the census tract before approving a new liquor establishment in that site. So the board
can weigh in on
15:16:04 the various types of of considerations that should go into into play.
15:16:11 When authorizing a new site, so there's there's a an alternative pathway may work as well, and so what we could do in the process of looking at the permanent housing facilities
we could bring these alternative
15:16:28 pathways to the board i'm very supportive of of a robust standard operating procedure for those areas in the code where the director or the userc administrator is given discretion.
15:16:46 One other process you might consider is a lot of jurisdictions.
15:16:51 Have public meeting requirements that the applicant has to go out and hold one or more public meetings in the community to gather input before they go through the permit process
in order to keep the concerns of the community.
15:17:10 First thing , alternative to I think it's just providing the the public and opportunity to comment and and notifying them of when that opportunity is so that you know there's
as much transparency as possible and we can
15:17:27 get as much input as we can from the community so that are impacted.
15:17:32 Let's see, I think what matters actually is is who is making that decision.
15:17:37 Who's authorized to make that decision and I would argue that the hearing examiner is not the right person. for the reasons we talked about earlier.
15:17:46 You know that they're really supposed to be basing you know?
15:17:50 Does does this performance Those will meet code or not you know I I happen to trust Brent a great deal, but that doesn't mean that I will always feel that way about a a Udc.
15:18:01 Administrator who very well might not live in this community. You know we had that that situation just a few months ago.
15:18:08 And so I think we need to be realistic about what what our our constituents think.
15:18:14 Our job is, and and and be careful about where where we're giving authority based on I mean this is, you know, this fairly unique situation, and this is a a very charged issue
right now.
15:18:28 But I I just I would really like there to be another contact point where those of us who are elected to to bring the voice of our constituents in our districts to the process,
have that opportunity and I don't know that it has to
15:18:46 be the as part of the permitting process but and I appreciate you.
15:18:57 You're trying to come up with with ways we might do that.
15:19:00 But you know I would really like there to be a You know that that the Commissioners
15:19:08 So I think how how the the Udc administrator, the Commissioners could work together.
15:19:13 You could all be looking at a proposal together, and have there be a multi-pronged approach where commissioners have to approve, or we recommend to the Udc.
15:19:21 Administer who then approves it, just trying to think , at the box.
15:19:28 Here we do have buzzard judicial powers.
15:19:31 We we use them on land use and things like development. agreements. so it's not it's not like It's an authority we don't have but I don't I I understand that the it opens up
a lot
15:19:42 of legal complications, and that we we don't want every every site to be challenged legally, and and that is a very real possibility.
15:19:53 I recognize that
15:20:00 So I just wanted to explain why I pulled up this particular. Rcw.
15:20:04 Just defines central public facilities, and then goes into the Gma parameters around those.
15:20:10 So the way in which we've set it up in the county is to have a legislative process for the citing of the central public facilities. That's why it's in that table in the column
under type 5
15:20:20 and when you look at the specifics, in the udc it talks about how that process is akin to a compliment amendment. so it's you know it's a planning Commission makes a recommendation
to the
15:20:32 board for the citing of an essential public facility, such as a source system.
15:20:36 But as you can see here, it's pretty broad the definition of Epf.
15:20:40 And so this kind of facility certainly a permanent location would be.
15:20:46 It seems like it makes sense in terms of the other things that are listed here for that kind of decision.
15:20:50 And so it is a legislative process that has some elements.
15:20:54 As barbara mission of a quasi judicial process. But but really it's a it's a legislative decision to cite something, whereas the process that i'm just commenting now you know
almost this person who's just
15:21:04 kind of joined the team and catching up to speed on what's gone on so far.
15:21:08 But having the conditional discretionary process. for a temporary sighting is akin to a permit like That's that's That's where the Board and its legislative powers has made
all the
15:21:18 rules around that, and then the administrator follows those rules.
15:21:22 So if an application meets all the rules, then the application goes forward in the same way as any other permit applications.
15:21:28 So those are very 2 different things. and so I guess another question would be for you.
15:21:32 To think about would be, Is there a difference between temporary and permanent?
15:21:36 And that's, I think brent was suggesting that there is a We have a something scheduled already.
15:21:40 We have a workshop. just in a couple of weeks here, a few weeks to continue the conversation. So we could revisit this question then, but in terms of creating entirely, essentially
what would be for us a new permit process maybe even a
15:21:50 type 4 and a half, or 5 b or whatever type 6 because having a you know something that doesn't it's like the essential public facility setting.
15:22:00 But it. doesn't include the planning commission instead. as a hearing Examiner, but then goes to the board that's a that's completely new thing for us in terms of the way things
have been since the Udc.
15:22:09 Was established 2,003. so that would take a lot of time, I think, to really suck out.
15:22:14 I think it's more than just making a asterisk in the table.
15:22:17 But Anyway, those are my thoughts. I think there is a bit of a difference between.
15:22:23 Does this meet, permit requirements. it's very subjective details that are not personalized here.
15:22:29 Things like number of residents and that that's a massive impact.
15:22:36 And I think it. it just worries me that putting this entirely in one person's court is is misguided.
15:22:47 I think it is. It is something that requires more. more deliberation.
15:22:53 And I you know i'm curious is there a way that we can carve out just within this ordinance for this very specific land use type a process that doesn't have to require changing
all of our permitting processes what treating it
15:23:07 like an essential public facility. I mean I think that's the way every temporary facility is that a central public facility.
15:23:15 I mean that's a pretty I mean just that it's a time intensive resource, intensive process for temporary facilities, and there's not very many of them.
15:23:28 But these people are, you know it's still cost $500,000 to set one of these up.
15:23:31 You know they aren't it's not like repurposing a restaurant in to you know a cafe or something like that.
15:23:39 These are significant projects, and I I I would say, for a permanent support of housing, and absolutely, I think, would be an essential public facility.
15:23:49 And I think that you know for a permanent transitional housing facility at this point in our housing emergency would also be in a central public facility.
15:24:00 So i'm not sure why a finite duration would make it non essential.
15:24:09 I think just the amount of work to go into something that could that we're only guaranteeing a year.
15:24:18 Of operation is team successive,
15:24:35 You know, as you say, it's a it's a hot button issue for a lot of folks. so just the legislative question is the thing I think that we want to make sure we have public feedback
on more than does
15:24:51 this comply with the code
15:24:59 I think that's you scrolling right I just noticed it said Conditional use processes, hearing hearings done a few articles down
15:25:17 This is the conditional use process. correct? yeah I am I realize i'm scrolling for everybody's enjoyment here.
15:25:23 I was. I I wanted to make. I wanted to find the part that talked about exciting and essential public facilities.
15:25:28 Just so you can. We can talk about that but again it's a conversation.
15:25:33 I think that we we gonna need more time to really dive into.
15:25:37 But I totally understand all the concerns that are being brought up.
15:25:39 I mean, I understand the context of them, and and and the blurring essentially between the temporary and the permanent
15:25:50 And I wasn't I was I guess I wasn't implying that all the decisions that are made that are that our permutations don't require discretion or require judgment calls it was more
like the pro I was really talking about
15:26:01 the process like when you set up the code and then there's the the permit conditions. And then there's certain appeals to those right, whereas in a legislative activity, it's
much different I did want to make a
15:26:11 point about just the the public comment, part in the CD.
15:26:17 The conditional discretionary. It is conditional use criteria that needs to be met.
15:26:21 So it's it's upon only upon meeting all those conditions can that permit be granted?
15:26:24 And there is a public process There is public notice and comment and and almost undoubtedly a sepa correlated super review correlate with that.
15:26:34 The difference. Of course, wouldn't be. it wouldn't be a public hearing announcement that was sort of advertised in the way that both the kings are. we more and the way that
those type 2 land use decisions are are
15:26:43 advertised, but certainly there would be an opportunity for those comments to be submitted.
15:26:48 And like, Brent was saying. We, you know a procedure could be settled that would have a board inclusion, and that just the question is, when when you plug it in.
15:26:55 So I I would add, One of the things that we've noted is, this issue has been debated in the State of California.
15:27:03 What the State of California settled upon is that they removed discretion from local government because local governments would not cite emergency shelters.
15:27:15 And so the way they did that was that they said that it's. in fact, the shelter meets these 12 conditions. many of which I've been looking at in terms of our ordinance to make
sure that we have that
15:27:29 for example, this concept of smoking it's prevalent in these other emergency shelters in California that, it shall be approved as of right meaning that there is no way to stop
that so long as it meets
15:27:48 these critical points that protect the surrounding communities that's the direction that the State of California are taking in the citing of of of person shelters.
15:28:00 We canre so hard to site. That was the removal of local discretion.
15:28:08 In this case what we've done is we've borrowed as much as we could.
15:28:15 2 reduce any spillover impacts on the surrounding community.
15:28:20 And and some of that we've learned from the example of the fairgrounds.
15:28:25 How important it is to engage the neighbors, how important it is to have a rules of conduct.
15:28:31 And so if there are other components that we have missed.
15:28:38 That is one of the benefits of having such a a deliberative process where the community can weigh in It's really the goal is to capture anything that does not identify those
ways for spillover
15:28:51 impacts to grieve adjacent to the community.
15:28:56 I really like Barbara is off off the cuff suggestion.
15:29:01 I think of making a standard operating procedure. I guess requirement that there is outreach by the applicant.
15:29:08 The operating agency or the sponsoring agency to make sure that engagement happens.
15:29:14 Because I mean, I do understand why California made that rule. because I can tell you from experience.
15:29:21 No one actually wants any sort of shelter, facility or transitional housing.
15:29:24 Next door to the nobody does there's very few so I kind of understand the the tenor of the public comment that we're going to get while still thinking that it's really valuable
to have that conversation so maybe if
15:29:37 we put it as part of the process that that prescribe a certain level of of neighborhood or community engagement as part of the application process that would address
15:29:52 The need for communication. I I and I just wanted to comment on that, because that is a a approach that I've seen so so well used more frequently, and very wealthy communities
avatin for example, where robin williams committed suicide
15:30:12 Bellevue in marin county where the project proponent to speak to all of the abutters, and find out what all of the butter's concerns are before they come to the planning department
with their
15:30:26 proposal. So it's moving in that vein and and that's something that we could incorporate gladly.
15:30:39 I I think we are a little bit unique in that.
15:30:45 I think we are commissioners who are willing to advocate for this type of development.
15:30:53 But I you know that we don't base policy on the personalities in the room at any one time.
15:30:58 Of course. but i'm i'm curious brent in that California example where is is scope defined?
15:31:09 So the the you know number of residents say so you know we say things like it's you know.
15:31:16 If they meet the requirements, then they can get a permit.
15:31:19 But, you know, do they have a how? How do they determine?
15:31:22 Scope and scale to be able to appropriately judge that and that's a good question.
15:31:29 I I don't recall that specific component of it in terms of space being so short that you we were typically looking at, you know, 40 to 60 bed shelters, and that was usually
because so the the cost of space there that
15:31:46 they were always, they were often very smaller sites. So that is a though.
15:31:55 Your comment about a trigger being the number of of persons.
15:32:01 In a site. or I mean it's harder to to identify the the number of persons with significant health issues specifically recognizing that mental health issues are often one of
the more difficult community issues
15:32:20 to address. So so that being also a potential trigger for additional review, that's a harder one to to understand, because if you have a fluid a whole housing site, you don't
know what percentage of the population has
15:32:35 greater needs. And so it's always going to be in flux. but you could use it as an objective standard.
15:32:41 Just the numbers of persons, and that's how we did start with 50 being the cap that really sort of address that Yeah.
15:32:50 So I I think that those are the types of things we could look at much more in deaf when we come back with a permanent ordinance.
15:32:58 How do we assure that Triggers for a higher Level Review are addressed Okay, That's great suggestion rent, but it doesn't help in Today's been the deadline We have in the next
7 days
15:33:21 Yeah, I just I I can't quite get comfortable with the idea of they're not being a a public process associated with this and I I understand that sponsors could could host something,
but it does not have the same level
15:33:37 of transparency that it does when we do it.
15:33:40 And you know I mean ultimately we could have projects moving forward that we Commissioners have no say in which you know I i'm not saying we should have say and everything.
15:33:53 But I think our voters expect that we do you know for us to say sorry.
15:33:56 That's just that's somebody else's decision we we actually just wouldn't even have I mean like we could show up at the sponsors meeting and voice our opinion and that would
be It that would be where we would be
15:34:09 providing inputs in theory like a A, it feels that really, really detached from our normal way of doing business.
15:34:19 And what I think our constituents expect
15:34:28 Can I just say something? just for my experience, and working in local government?
15:34:35 You know, historically, there has been historically legislative bodies, had all of the quasi judicial decisions.
15:34:42 That's why the provisions requiring or allowing for the hearing examiner system in 36, 79, 9, 70, and in 36, 78 came into effect.
15:34:59 Was that? You know, a lot of boards felt like they really wanted to be involved in these decisions.
15:35:07 But the truth of the matter is is that you know maybe it's only one type of decision.
15:35:13 But if you have 2 or 3 different types of decisions, you can end up spending a whole lot of time doing these land.
15:35:20 Use appeals or land use decisions. and you know you have to sort of balance that with your broader responsibilities as commissioners to, you know, look out for the future of
the of the entire community.
15:35:35 And I think a lot of jurisdictions have really gone to the hearing.
15:35:39 Examiner system and you know it's all about trusting the individual that you put in that slot as hearing examiner to know that that person reflects the values of the community.
15:35:56 You know as do you So he's your appointee or she's your appointee, and you know if there are those decisions where you really feel like the board needs to have it's imprimeter
on it I mean typically what
15:36:11 would happen is, you'd allow for the hearing examiner to do a recommendation to you, and then allow you to make the final decision sort of the whole framework of the decision
before, you And then you could just change it issue software
15:36:31 and I I think that makes a lot of sense and I don't. I don't want to get into deciding.
15:36:37 If this application is you know has merits that that qualify it beyond the code, or I mean that's that's we want to make code that is objective, and I think that's you know
the dilemma we're
15:36:50 facing here, but I guess i'd repeat the suggestion that we we mandate some level of outreach for the operating agency or for sponsor.
15:37:03 And then that would you know, there's an opportunity for public feedback, and then and then, if there is a preponderance of public input may, you know, put in the standard operating
procedure, you know some threshold at which
15:37:15 the Udc admirator would say Oh, it looks like we need to go to the hearing exam. and I I think that's I mean, I know that it's in there kind of obliquely or not explicitly
15:37:28 but making that that process explicit and mandating some transparency of the project to the community whether it's just a budding properties or 3 properties deep. I don't I
don't know what the
15:37:42 right. The right level is what community i've you know encountered neighborhoods that feel like it's 10 square miles before, too, you know that feel like they they need input
into a a project so I don't know exactly where
15:37:54 it ends. but I do think that process is critical and I'm not, as I guess.
15:37:59 Adamant. Is Kate right now about needing to be part of that process?
15:38:03 I just wanna make sure that we have it when we leave today.
15:38:11 , one of the options
15:38:13 One of the options, one of the options I'm.
15:38:15 Wondering is if we could incorporate the outreach in the development of the code of conduct that the code of conduct in requires there to be a hearing conducted by the Board
of County commissions on the
15:38:35 sufficiency of of the regulations. I I i'm trying to think of of a way to phrase it that we could me took an easy amendment to what we've established already it's not the
15:38:52 citing. That would be the what the hearing would be about.
15:38:54 But kind of the operational plan is what the hearing would be about right, because where I think most of the problems originate, I think you clearly identified it on the Marvin
shield.
15:39:04 Shelter had proper management, they eliminated the issue.
15:39:07 I saw this occurrence also in the city of East Palo Alto.
15:39:12 We had a design award winner but once, the management. was in proper or not properly addressing the issues, we had significant problems calls by the sheriff and the local police.
15:39:25 And so once we change management we've we've resolved the issue.
15:39:26 So. I I thought that might be a an a way to tackle that I appreciate your creative thinking on this, Brent.
15:39:36 It's funny that we're arguing over Who's gonna get all this grief
15:39:49 So that creates a nice nexus where there's an opportunity for public input there's an opportunity for commissioners to you know, impress upon the Udc.
15:39:59 Administrator that the perceived impacts and how to help mitigate those
15:40:05 So I appreciate that those hand is up toll.
15:40:09 Through the chair. Thank you. I just wanted relay that our public process spoke at length about this about how the sites would be managed, and that the code of conduct it was
very clearly expressed.
15:40:28 Works because it's developed by the residents of the facility. and if we have a public process involved in shaping that code of conduct, we lose that point, and I think there
would be a lot of pushback regarding that point
15:40:42 we could alternatively add to the submittal requirements about communications with abutting neighbors, or if we wanted to put something in the operational requirements that
they begin their plans with a public hearing, or public
15:41:03 outreach. We could do that. But I wanted to protect that idea that the public clearly brought to us that the code of conduct is really needing to be from the residents themselves
in order to work.
15:41:17 I completely respect that and i'm glad you reminded us of that.
15:41:21 Yeah, that would put the sequencing out of order wouldn't it, trying to think what like what it can we draw from the development agreement?
15:41:33 You know process that we use you know that I I don't think that is the i'm not suggesting that we apply that here because that is difficult and has some legal ramifications.
15:41:47 But Is there some portion like the code of conduct that could go through a public process that the Commissioners could advance to the Udc Administrator something along those
lines?
15:42:01 Well, I if I could under 20. what is it now?
15:42:10 Where are we? d 2 D is a 2 d 20 come compendium of policies which will be incorporated into the conditions of approval.
15:42:24 And under that the now D. under 20, says any other policies necessary for the health, safety, and welfare of temporary facility.
15:42:31 Residents, neighbors in the broader community. Could there maybe be a prescription in there for outreach as a condition of approval?
15:42:40 Instead of just any other policies, you know. some sort of outreach language there to a budding, abutting properties, or you know, whatever that makes sense on page 10 of 13
trying to get there
15:43:06 Josh. Maybe you could put that up on the on the screen for everyone to see.
15:43:12 Sure. Could you remind me exactly what what you're looking for page 10, and number 20 Roman enroll 20 on page 10 pindium of policies of the agenda item from today, 19
15:43:36 I'm. i'm looking at the av capture version, although there are 2 versions even in the agenda right there.
15:43:42 Yeah, on the agenda, the newer one was good to look at, the one with correct numbering.
15:43:53 I guess 2 d 20,
15:44:04 Yeah, this different number, right before the proposed code of conduct.
15:44:10 Really what pages and on well, on the age 10 is 13; on the second
15:44:24 So we would go next to the proposed code of conduct that we want to make sure residents have some agency over, but either C or D.
15:44:33 You know, maybe just a process for outreach and addressing grievances.
15:44:44 Or you know, something like that
15:44:45 Yeah, either. Crd: There
15:44:57 For in the community
15:45:04 Yeah, it could be. Yeah. Another another letter the plant fruits engaging this rounding community and addressing concerns, and I don't know
15:45:25 Right, and I I I would like to add that that concept of a good neighbor agreement.
15:45:33 Was taken from the Bellevue code. but they do have a whole code section on on what that is, and it's actually a committee of citizens that are put together.
15:45:48 Along with residents, who who then, you know, work out these issues in a collaborative fashion, and it works really well.
15:45:57 I was a hearing examiner over a large facility that was transitional housing, permanent housing in temporary shelter, all in one. and
15:46:11 It was a conditional use permit process I had 0 people testify against it.
15:46:17 You know that's kind of the level of engagement They have gotten to their?
15:46:24 Is there development of that good neighbor policy somewhere higher in this document it's in, not in our document.
15:46:32 It's sort of it's put in there and my thought was rather than put it in the code.
15:46:39 We could always have dCD do a an administrative policy.
15:46:45 If you'd like to put in the code we could we just were out of time.
15:46:52 Basically. Hmm gonna comply with something we need to refer to what we're complying with right right exactly. and I So i'd be happy to draft that up.
15:47:05 But and that's maybe something we could look at in the the permanent process.
15:47:11 To add into this one if that gets at the missing pieces.
15:47:18 We're trying to noodle about right Now, you know that might be some place for community engagement and review to be embedded.
15:47:26 I mean, the best practice would be for the whatever facility, to be communicating with its neighbors.
15:47:33 So you know a good neighbor policy is exactly what we're getting after, I think, and that that's that involves communication before and during right right?
15:47:46 So, just thinking outside the box here, and looking at the construction of the ordinance.
15:47:51 This is all part of the submittal requirements piece.
15:47:56 So if there were like a county policy, not even necessarily residing within the unified development code.
15:48:02 But the county policy about a good note, good neighbor agreement provision.
15:48:07 I could picture some process that would involve a proponent coming to the board and discussing such an agreement, and that would be part of the submittal.
15:48:18 So in a sense it's almost like a precursor to an actual application.
15:48:25 Just just an idea, and then just in that thing.
15:48:28 If We're amended, to read as complying with terms of a good neighbor agreement provision that requires a public hearing before the Board of County Commissioners, I I don't know
if that weighs in too much and it moves the
15:48:46 board into into the quasi judicial role. And, Barbara, you might want to weigh in on that.
15:48:52 But I was just trying to see level of interest, of of of having some say and incorporating that into that so that we we, we embrace that concern
15:49:15 Hello! where this conversation is going. it's gonna be hard to to wrap it up today.
15:49:20 I feel like, yeah, I mean, it sounds like we might need to think about some options and come back in a special meeting later in the week.
15:49:29 And and try and mail it down I mean i'm i'm willing to.
15:49:32 Yeah, the irony is this is this isn't gonna happen in my district, Regardless anything in in district one is gonna be other cities for view.
15:49:40 So it's you know my but but my concern.
15:49:47 I mean, we know that no have no fury like a Nimby and
15:49:52 We've seen that directed at us and seeing that directed at the Udc.
15:49:57 Administrator, and then the the kind of chain of command that then the county administrator gets that like it's just it.
15:50:03 It seems misplaced to me. and so I I will i'm totally willing to to defer if everybody else feels satisfied with with the process.
15:50:17 But I I think it's present some some other risks that that worry me
15:50:29 Public thing temporarily anywhere in our community we're gonna hear about it.
15:50:40 Right, because we've experienced that in the last in my time as a commissioner and 2.
15:50:45 If we're going down the pathway of developing some kind of permanent or ordinance.
15:50:53 Maybe that's the place where we take it to a deeper dive on this stuff.
15:50:58 Yeah. cause I mean, imagine so like we can anticipate that there will be unhappy people if there is a proposal.
15:51:08 They come to us, and we say yeah we we don't have any role.
15:51:12 This is not it are preview, and we do that in private property situations all the time, because we don't want to politicize the process, and that's a real value of the hearing
Commissioner is or hearing examiners barbara
15:51:25 suggested but that's because there is vesting and a a very clear process for those projects where we shouldn't get involved.
15:51:34 But this is I. I think this is quite different personally.
15:51:37 And so that's that's where my kind of fundamental concern lives.
15:51:43 But i've said that 12 times in 12 different ways, so I should just stop now
15:51:50 I don't I don't wanna hold up the process Let's let's can we ask if if we want to hold up the process.
15:51:57 If we want to get this just right, and maybe come up with some good neighbor provisions that maybe include the commissioners, or maybe don't include the Commissioners at all,
and are just about prompting dialogue between those
15:52:11 stakeholders on the ground where a potential facility is, I mean is that can we?
15:52:19 We have a temporary ordinance it's going to expire on Monday.
15:52:27 We can, and we'd have to have a hearing to extend it, anyway, so we don't have time to notice the hearing right.
15:52:33 So we're kind of we gotta do something before Monday is that right?
15:52:37 Right, or else lose it, and we have several facilities that would then be out of compliance with our code if we lost it.
15:52:47 That's correct, and and the easiest pathway would be to adopt as aended
15:52:55 And then, when we look at we can come back in in that workshop, that on the 20 seventh we can have solutions proposed, and you could adopt one of those. So one of them would
be addressing the temporary
15:53:07 housing. and then, although we or focused on the permanent, we could address that issue at that point.
15:53:17 What if we added one number under 20 there where we were looking?
15:53:22 That said developing a good neighbor agreement for the surrounding area. and if that isn't quite established how that happens, yet we need to work on that quickly.
15:53:39 Would that be defensible with that impact the existing to?
15:53:46 You know villages, that we have any other right above e D.
15:53:55 Any other policies necessary neighbors in the broader community.
15:53:59 And then I would say, d 2 develop a good neighbor agreement with the surrounding area right?
15:54:10 It's referred to in little stuff 6 of e complying with terms of any quote good neighbor in book agreement provisions that applied occupants of the temporary housing
15:54:29 The the the residents would have to to buy into that as part of it.
15:54:34 So developing that good neighbor agreement they might not all be the same. but that explicitly mandates the kind of outreach that we're we're looking for.
15:54:47 So instead of putting a a provision about engaging the community we could just refer to a good neighbor agreement, because that would by definition, do that.
15:55:00 Yeah, that's what i'm suggesting developing a good neighbor Agreement for the every project.
15:55:05 But there's no I mean that that does not yeah a sponsor, an applicant could develop an agreement.
15:55:12 It doesn't actually mean that anybody has agreed to it or bought into it.
15:55:17 Well, we haven't defined good neighbor agreement yet we would have to do that, too.
15:55:26 This section
15:55:26 This section is where this piece would sit, though because it's about conditions of approval.
15:55:38 Yeah and process are addressing gravis and gravvances of concern.
15:55:42 Neighbors and citizens of the broader community I mean that's kind of what we're talking about, and it's right there and see and d broader community.
15:55:55 I would argue, it anticipates, and hopefully prevents, that
15:56:05 I almost wonder
15:56:06 I almost wonder, through the chair, if, instead of a process, a standard operating procedure
15:56:15 So that is publicly available to a public hearing for addressing grievances
15:56:28 I I just think that you eliminate a lot of grievances.
15:56:31 If if you keep the lines of communication open from the beginning I guess I don't want to just be reactive with the ordinance.
15:56:38 But but to develop those good relationships I mean you know every in each of the instances that I've had interface with the more dialogue that a a project has with this surrounding
neighbors the more you disabuse
15:56:54 people of of fears that aren't accurate or address fears that are accurate.
15:57:01 You know It's just you know it's hard to mandate communication, but the good neighbor agreement seems to be a way to do that.
15:57:13 If defined as such. Oh, we get the right to definition.
15:57:22 But, you know, does that require any sort of actual agreement with the neighbors?
15:57:30 Well, I mean if if the neighbors can detail a project then it's not gonna probably too many of those are gonna get through.
15:57:37 So I think you know, Yeah, you have to put guard. Well, grail rails on the process to protect.
15:57:45 You know all all the the moving party and and the impacted parties.
15:57:52 Right. Yeah, that is it. Is it an agreement if it's just a a proposal by the proponent, not with neighbors
15:58:06 I might jump in here if through the chair. hi!
15:58:12 There. item, c. a process for existing green grievances.
15:58:16 We could begin that sentence with a good neighbor agreement, providing a process for addressing grievances.
15:58:24 What we want is the results of that agreement as part of their submittal requirements, and we're in the submittal requirements.
15:58:32 Section So we're asking for that agreement or results of the outreach and communication.
15:58:42 It seems to it can fit in in either C or D.
15:58:47 I like that putting it just in front of of a process so we're talking about a good neighbor agreement, which is a process, or if and that can.
15:58:56 Yeah, I like that suggestion a lot. Yeah, I do, too.
15:59:14 And what about I don't want to lose sight of the outreach?
15:59:18 Also that you know this. This is the again, you know, responding to problems.
15:59:21 But as well for that outreach in advance to anticipate and mitigate potential conflict.
15:59:31 Right? Yeah. So yeah, developing a good neighbor agreement process to for outreach and creating a process for addressing grievances. I don't know.
15:59:45 It just seems like half a sentence in front of that line, and see what would take it
15:59:53 Oh, Gotcha's right here I go look at my own copy
16:00:17 So how about if we said C. says a good neighbor. agreement process for outreach, which sets out a plan for continuous engagement with the community, and a process for addressing
grievances I like that.
16:00:33 Do you see? josh's copy on on the screen?
16:00:36 Barbara also talks about which was presented to the County Board of County Commissioners in a public session which I think addresses some of our our stated concerns about You
know these are big community-wide issues that that
16:00:49 the public expects us to at least be a part of the conversation.
16:00:54 Okay,
16:01:03 Can you type your Can you paste Barbara, your your copy into the chat?
16:01:08 So Josh can use. Figure out how to make josh is a little bit bigger.
16:01:16 It's really hard for me to read should be able to drag your bar over there.
16:01:23 We go alright, so we can adjust the size josh I've got it.
16:01:31 It's fine
16:01:35 Yeah, and clearly, i'm just witch-hitting here in the moment.
16:01:38 But trying to since this is about the submittal, then it would go back to that.
16:01:45 This idea of the 2 things that were mentioned before. one is an outreach process by the proponent essentially responsible for some kind of public meeting, or something, or or
some kind of outreach to neighbors, and then a chance for the
16:01:59 board to participate in the conversation at least prior to the middle that's good.
16:02:10 At least those 2 ideas. but so is everyone the good with this proposal.
16:02:18 Yeah, I I really like barbara's text that She read, I think might be able to be incorporated into this
16:02:31 Just trying to figure out we need to lead with grievances I wonder if we could call out that there'd be an opportunity for public comment, and then public session session, right
but we
16:02:46 don't necessarily. we don't have to provide public comment so be good to hold ourselves to that.
16:02:54 So if we use the I just stuck my version in the chat, and we can put Josh is 2 pieces in about
16:03:06 The referring to the board. coming to the board for a meeting.
16:03:15 I don't see yours yet. to whom maybe it was just to Josh.
16:03:22 I guess I guess it should have been to everybody well that's fine, I mean. Josh can do the scribbling and and share his screen again.
16:03:28 I don't need to see that okay, I i've got I got your
16:03:35 Your comment, Barbara, where do you want me to put that exactly in the draft that we were looking at?
16:03:40 Well, if you just throw it up on the screen, and then we can use your 2 items that you put underneath.
16:03:49 Yeah, kind of is the framing, framing sentence.
16:03:51 The first sentence is what I think that I was seeing Okay, So I've got up on the screen and you want me to put it just Okay, we get rid of that word both in there
16:04:15 Okay, So I simply pasted it at this point so what's the What's the continuous engagement?
16:04:23 This committee would be in It would be active the entire time.
16:04:29 The the site was up and running. so it would be Okay, You know that people would have the opportunity to plug into when they needed to.
16:04:42 Okay, the same way that we have provisions in here that you know, law enforcement needs a number of the on duty.
16:04:47 Respondents. So this just creates an interface between the community and and the project as well
16:05:10 And I I think we would eliminate. We would replace what Josh had before.
16:05:14 The 1, 2, and 3 was just what you just paste it in from Barbara.
16:05:17 So I would eliminate everything after between the 2 semi phones
16:05:38 Environment. Do you spell continuous correctly when you were typing it?
16:05:42 Or did you have to spell check that? I can never get it right?
16:05:45 I think that that one comes naturally to me but there's a lot of words that don't let me tell you
16:06:06 Okay, that's in the the opening sentence the process for addressing grievances
16:06:16 On the last one
16:06:25 So if you could do be a favorite josh and get rid of the word, both in the second sentence.
16:06:34 If there's actually 3 constituents we're looking at Alright, i'm sorry the second line there you go
16:06:49 Yup,
16:06:57 You don't need a witch at the beginning of 2 you got your which were all 3 clauses
16:07:06 Yeah, I don't think you need numeral 3 either because it's it's already set out in the preamble
16:07:20 Can't hear you if you're talking to us Josh
16:07:31 You can eliminate the witch at the beginning of 2, Oh, oh!
16:07:40 You took out the first one, Gotcha. So maybe yeah, never mind.
16:07:43 Sorry,
16:08:11 How's everyone feeling about this kate yeah like, does that get get at what you were looking for?
16:08:26 Enough. Yes, thank you, Josh, for putting up with all of our group editing.
16:08:36 You get the same to word for today can we do this Now it's easier for me to think on the fly.
16:08:45 I I do. I do have one question so before. So this is in the submittal requirements.
16:08:52 And then the idea that this agreement was going to be part of the part of the requirements.
16:08:59 And then down here. The aspects of the agreement that are applicable here would be part of the code of conduct.
16:09:07 . proposed code of conduct. so I guess when I That's why I was just starting it out like the submittal includes this good neighbor agreement.
16:09:15 But here it says a good name agreement process so it sounds to me more like it would be in Flux, or i'm not sure if I quite captured what Barbara was saying, or Maybe I missed
a part of the conversation it's always
16:09:27 worth my thing over here, so you might not. sorry.
16:09:29 Go ahead. Hi! couldn't it just be can you just take out process for outreach, because it's a good neighbor agreement that sets out a plan for continuous engagement.
16:09:39 That's a process for outreach I I reach plan for continuous engagement.
16:09:44 I mean, those are we want to involve the community, which is, you know, the residents which are building their their code of conduct right.
16:09:54 And and Joel, as Joel said, creates much better outcomes.
16:09:59 According to data. So the good neighbor agreement won't be done until the until the it's a it's a fully occupied and everyone signed off right I mean If you have a you start
a good neighbor agreement with
16:10:16 the neighbors as you're. developing a process projects and obviously we're saying, come and and make presentation to the voc before as part of your submittal.
16:10:27 But then will it really be done until everyone is signed off.
16:10:30 On which one happened till after the project is complete, and into the operational phase
16:10:38 Yeah, I agree with you. Commissioner brother den. I think there's gotta be a process in the submittal requirements that will then be implemented, you know, as part of the operational
requirements.
16:10:51 Maybe we need to add something down there about that but at the outset.
16:10:59 They're not going to be able to provide a an agreement. assigned agreement because they're right at the inception of the project. So put the word process back in there.
16:11:14 I Think
16:11:19 I don't know Josh. talking to us or talking to someone else.
16:11:23 The wall front of me, offering just a slightly different take on that part of the conversation.
16:11:29 So this is part of the seminar requirements it's a compendium of policies. and so these are things.
16:11:36 These are things that the proponent is committing to or saying they're going to happen.
16:11:40 The requirements for entry policies of denial and Let's just say for a moment there was a a good neighbor policy.
16:11:48 Perhaps maybe agreement is confusing, because if you wonder who's agreeing to what?
16:11:54 But then down here it says complying with the terms of any good neighbor agreement provisions that apply.
16:12:01 So this is the part where it's going to be a proposal.
16:12:04 But these are what the residents are going to commit to, and it could be only a subset of moral, like a good neighbor policy.
16:12:13 And so in some ways you and it says here any other policies necessary for so many things? right?
16:12:18 So this could be a policy essentially or a set of commitments from the proponent about what the proponent is going to do in order to be a good neighbor, so it's not I mean maybe
it's
16:12:30 unrealistic, really too, and and to get all the neighbors to assign something.
16:12:35 I mean I don't think that that's what was envisioned by this, but I defer to my colleagues who talked about where this good neighbor policy language comes from where agreement
language comes from another places.
16:12:44 But I guess i'm thinking, more in terms of a good neighbor, commitment or policy, and in that development of that policy that policy comes before in the way that we're envisioning
here.
16:12:57 It comes to the community in a public meeting. and Then it also comes to the board, and a not in a board meeting, because it's it's gonna be discussed like.
16:13:06 In other words, the proponent comes and says these are the things that we're gonna do to commit to be a good neighbor, and that gives them the neighbors a chance to comment
on it, and it gives the board a chance to communicate
16:13:15 with the neighbors about that as well as the proponent so that's what I was thinking.
16:13:19 But could be something else. So how would that language of this look different, based on that?
16:13:28 Your thoughts, Josh, because I feel like
16:13:48 I think just policy was the right edition, a good neighbor policy that sets out a plan for continuous engagement
16:14:08 And you could take provisions out down there. Oh, policy provisions is appropriate.
16:14:16 Okay,
16:14:21 Okay. So that was just one way of looking at it. So obviously open, Barbara.
16:14:27 Is that that meet what you are proposing earlier, or anybody else in any comments about that idea where we would implement those policies through in agreement?
16:14:38 Perhaps number statement under operational requirements. The second statement that we change to policy.
16:14:48 Could let's see i'm sorry it was an under 6 on a little bit.
16:14:56 There. Could this, in fact, be a an agreement? Maybe Barbara can explain Is is the good neighbor agreement between the neighbor and the facility kind of a two-way agreement?
16:15:14 So in this, Joel, correct me if i'm wrong because you worked on this, I believe, with the Commission.
16:15:19 But here it's a proposed code of conduct and that's defined as an agreement so the residents would commit to the code of contact or greed to the provisions in the code of contact
including those provisions
16:15:35 that come from the good neighbor policy that was proposed by the operator as part of the cemental requirements.
16:15:44 Yes, it could be formulated that way. Where the code of conduct is how that facility residents are going to conduct themselves and rules for conduct.
16:15:57 The neighbor agreement would be interacting with the adjacent or budding properties, saying that
16:16:10 These are our our active times. when there may be additional noise, or we will have lights out by 10 Pm.
16:16:17 Things like that with involving the neighbors good neighbor agreement is being held by the neighbors, or in order to ensure compliance, or the neighbors would have a phone number
to call that wouldn't be able to complain about those things
16:16:36 that they didn't that they agreed we're going to be okay the good neighbor agreement.
16:16:42 I assume, would outline things that if things if if things proceed not as to this agreement, then you have a right to call this number, and and having to have some change made
so I I don't know if that's how it
16:16:57 works in Billingham, or or The agreement is it kind of held by the neighbors.
16:17:06 It's by a group called the good neighbor agreement with the advisory Committee, and so they're formed, you know, under as a part of the proposal by the applicant you know the
applicant sets out who
16:17:26 should you know what types of positions are on this advisory committee?
16:17:33 And they are really the ones who drive you know exactly what the the contents of the agreement are it's A.
16:17:45 It's a way of sharing expectations. However, it is formulated bye advisory committee or expectations with the neighbors right? Feel like we're not gonna be able to set that
up this week Yeah, might be a bridge too
16:18:01 far. yeah, and That's kind of how I felt too that's why I sort of just referred to it, but didn't actually define it at all.
16:18:12 I think we're trying to put the attention here though and and make sure that it includes you.
16:18:18 Know outreach to affected neighbors and review by the Bcc.
16:18:28 And I think we've got those key pieces that We talk have been talking about for quite a big part of today.
16:18:35 Now included in this, so one thought would be, you know we could either develop it as a part of our ongoing legislative process.
16:18:49 On permanent facilities or We could put something here that allows the administrator to develop administrative guidelines to to guide this process either way.
16:19:07 We're both
16:19:12 So would it be 3, and include administrative guidelines for
16:19:19 What, specifically, are you suggesting? You just specifically authorize the DCD.
16:19:26 Director or the administrator. to provide a I Don't know, Brett. What do you call it a standard operating procedure, or would you call it a an administrative rule?
16:19:40 I I like the idea standard operating procedure because we're trying to develop that across the board.
16:19:46 We have a lot of uncodified practices that we're trying to make sure that they're transparent.
16:19:53 Okay, So you know, I think you would say i'm not , administrator, we'll define the standard operating procedure for good neighbor.
16:20:07 Right. The The administer is authorized you know because you're authorizing him as a part of your code provision.
16:20:18 To develop the good neighbor specifics of the good neighbor policy.
16:20:28 These other sub items, one and 2. or is it? could we make a 3?
16:20:31 That is or shouldn't that go in definitions 1810 I think I think you could do it either way I think it'd be probably cleaner.
16:20:44 Do it as a 3. It doesn't quite fit in there but I think it's fine.
16:20:48 You can put a a Roman numeral free the director or the the administrators authorized to develop standard office, close standard operating procedures developed by the administrator
cause I'm following on from the witch above
16:21:10 And which yeah, you're right includes , I want to type
16:21:24 Couple other things to think about. And again, this is maybe part of a larger conversation, but one could be.
16:21:30 It could be a discretionary number 3 that says something to the effect of includes participation from an advisory committee something something so you could.
16:21:42 You could actually put it in there, but it could be something that may or may not be applicable to every situation.
16:21:47 There could be, for example, housing site that doesn't have any neighbors where they're pretty far away.
16:21:53 So you could also. I mean, you could set up the Board could take an action to have a policy about what a good neighbor agreement or policy is all about, or could set up an advisory
committee that is more general in nature that would
16:22:06 participate in any given application in this part in this step of the process.
16:22:12 It wouldn't be just the neighbors around a particular site would be okay.
16:22:15 Could be people who are who are interested and have perspectives, and could be an advisory body in such a process.
16:22:23 Every time it happens as as it is, but partially undefined for the time being, that we're suggesting Josh.
16:22:32 So we could finish this today sort of but just also, just, you know, giving options to think about.
16:22:40 Yeah, I have a simpler idea, and that would be at the very end of this section.
16:22:44 We have we go down to Number 6 and at number we make a new number 7.
16:22:50 That's provides the administrator with a authority to develop standard operating procedures to implement the requirements of this section and that way.
16:23:09 It wouldn't be 7 that's under the code of contact.
16:23:13 But yeah, great. So yeah, after 6. Josh: right there, yeah. after that, just a new number 7, I mean, with so much of this being really subjective and subject to the approval
of the ugly
16:23:30 administrator. I mean is isn't wouldn't that good neighbor, do we live in policy?
16:23:36 Just require that that has passes muster with the administrator like.
16:23:43 It seems like one other thing that that but in this case he has to check a box and say, Yeah, good enough.
16:23:49 Yeah, it's it's just that if you know the less arbitrary it is, and I I know Brett is a devotee of this is that we standardize these procedures.
16:24:02 So that you know we're not doing it one way in one case and another way.
16:24:07 In another case, depending on who the planner is
16:24:14 Certainly support that. Yeah, I can get buying that
16:24:26 Okay, here's where I might have gotten lost a little bit What What do you want?
16:24:30 The procedure to say again, The Udc.
16:24:35 Is authorized. administrator is authorized to establish a standard operating, not operation procedure to implement for good neighbor policies.
16:24:49 Well, it could be just for good neighbor say to implement the requirements of this section and that way, if other things came up that weren't well defined.
16:25:00 He would have that authority
16:25:23 I think we got it, except if it could be several things maybe it shouldn't be a standard operating procedure, But standard operating procedures.
16:25:32 Yeah, I agree.
16:25:39 So also in the text there Josh Standard
16:26:03 And remember the Udc. we're not saying udc administrator anymore.
16:26:09 We're just saying the administrator
16:26:16 Is it? Oh, sorry! I must have missed that. We We made that choice right?
16:26:23 Because administrator is defined in 1810, whereas Udc administrator is not defined. Understand?
16:26:33 Okay,
16:26:44 Great progress people. What else do people want to see in here?
16:26:51 Can I, with your permission, I just asked question about that last thing, because i'm just scrolling through. and i'm seeing things like Udc administrator references.
16:27:01 So are we scrubbing this for any reference to the Uc.
16:27:14 Administrator: Yeah, if you just do a find for Udc, it will come up. I already did that in my version.
16:27:15 So just use the find function and type in Udc.
16:27:16 Okay, I think. Well, you, you and I will reconcile our versions.
16:27:19 After this, based on the the match our definitions. Page: we're going to just use administrator. Is that what we're saying?
16:27:29 Okay, that seems like a scribiners update that you guys can do
16:27:32 Are there any? I feel like Barbara mori had a a few other we're smithing issues.
16:27:40 We should maybe just consider at least really quickly, unless do we have a.
16:27:43 We have a hard out at at 4, 30 Here, Carol one, Do we have to stop right at 4, 30?
16:27:50 Oh, we do not okay. there's there's nobody in the chambers.
16:27:56 Currently let's get this thing. exhibit fee let's see I can find it here. 10 cause I have to go put my dog down ouch let's see under r on page I guess 7 or 6 I
16:28:21 think,
16:28:26 Yeah, she's still a number of small make sure we at least consider them here.
16:28:35 It's, you know, using judgment and instead of the word opinion under are sorry I got too many screens myself,
16:28:54 Yeah, I have it. Do you want? Yeah, what can I do?
16:28:59 Let me just share share, or I could just say I think sharing so we can see it.
16:29:07 Okay, let me close that share screen. Here we go share. Can you guys see that?
16:29:21 Are you gonna share the actual I shared her email.
16:29:27 Okay, So i'm made that change in the draft I remember specifically , But i'm looking for it now, just to be sure page 7 of 12 are if somebody's cross-referencing Josh: are you
16:29:46 still
16:29:53 No it's under operation yeah it's under 5 Her Vc.
16:29:58 It's back in there again. under e operational requirements
16:30:13 You see this? Oh, yeah. So you maybe we wanna change it to judgment instead of opinion.
16:30:23 In the opinion of the auditing point
16:30:28 Yeah,
16:30:37 I think, better than opinion I don't Have A strong opinion about is a potential threat to the community versus presents the risk of an immediate and significant threat to the
safety of the community.
16:30:48 I can think of some instances where the crisis passes, but the the individual is still considered a potential threat
16:31:11 I think it's stronger language right risk presents the risk of an immediate and significant threat.
16:31:17 I mean, potential. It leaves more, you know, subjective reasoning ability.
16:31:28 Yeah, I think she's presenting a higher standard there for that threat to a threshold higher threshold to pass
16:31:45 What do we feel about that? you know I think changing the word opinion to judgment, and leaving the rest of the text would be where I fall?
16:31:54 But i'm I don't have a strong How about pres presents a threat to the community.
16:32:01 Don't need to qualify it. it was a potential threat to the community could just say is a threat to the community.
16:32:09 Just take out the word potential there in the original language. I think Barbara can speak to the fact.
16:32:15 That's a significantly different standard. it is cause you have to show that there was a threat.
16:32:26 You know that that this person had basically presented a threat at threshold.
16:32:32 There, whereas a potential threat gives the on duty security staff more discretion.
16:32:42 And it, you know, actually probably release them of some liability that way.
16:32:47 So if someone were having a mental health crisis that perhaps they would be removed before there was right before yeah, before we reach that threshold, Yeah,
16:33:08 What's the proposal here perceived threat I mean I can see the potential feels a little squishy, you know.
16:33:16 If you're I mean I can't imagine a lot of people working with this population that are not trained familiar, you, you know I would leave everything except replace the word opinion
with judgment.
16:33:30 Everyone. Okay, with that. Yeah, Okay, we're just gonna okay, John Josh, Are you still editing?
16:33:41 Yes, I am, and so I have. I have, in the judgment of the on duty, point of contact, or on duty, security staff.
16:33:49 The person rejected or ejected is a potential threat to the community
16:33:59 Okay, then, let's see what , present presents a potential threat.
16:34:10 I I I see that. try to separate the person from the behavior right so it's not that they are a threat that they present a threat.
16:34:19 I don't know yeah presents is probably a better word.
16:34:26 I'm: Okay, maybe that change
16:34:32 Okay, I've made that change presents a potential threat to the community
16:34:41 Her section. she's proposing an additional amendment to exhibit B.
16:34:48 Page 8 of 12. it's about the cooking yeah so in this ordinance we have to go up to the main body of the ordinance, which is way back up See?
16:35:00 It's section 13 on page no that's all right i've got the sections all wrong.
16:35:11 Oh dear, Page page numbers here it's probably page 2 construction license safety requirements
16:35:44 You see that Josh I can't see anyone anymore
16:35:58 Okay, So this is just to clarify Barbara.
16:36:02 This is the actual body of the ordinance, not the not a appendix, Okay.
16:36:12 And in which section again, Okay. Section 4 construction of life safety requirements.
16:36:16 I see that one is temporary housing to structure.
16:36:21 And so, and which one again are we talking we'd be going down to.
16:36:30 We've we've worked this one over a couple of times at Number 11, no hot plates, electric stoves, and so forth.
16:36:32 Okay, and the smoking we separated into a separate section.
16:36:37 Brent felt like it needed to be emphasized.
16:36:41 Number 10 and Number 7 also talks about that right exactly it's a little repetitive.
16:36:54 We? We did move the smoking from 7 to 10, and we kept 7 only for open flames, and things related to that fire risk.
16:37:06 I. I think that the current version has that in the comments cause that seems to be repetitive.
16:37:20 So she's crossing out cooking and cooking dining shelter in this that's already been addressed.
16:37:27 I think. Okay. great. Finally, on page 3, section 2 for Clarity and us expedite feature.
16:37:39 Temporary housing develops. The new ordinance should also reference.
16:37:42 Rcw. 36 dot o one dot 2, 9.
16:37:48 O, about religious organizations. Do we have any page? 3 section 2.
16:37:52 That was aware, ads already I just can't see it this and that.
16:37:59 So
16:38:10 Yeah, we we are well aware of that. I think it was put in the whereas is right.
16:38:16 I mean there's aware, as on the second page whereas the proposed development regulations will also allow qualifying religious organizations and registered not for profit.
16:38:25 *, *. The opportunity to establish and operate temporary housing facilities.
16:38:31 I don't know we need more do we need to have I I don't understand the advantage of having reference to Rcw.
16:38:39 I guess Josh says check just chatted. There is a where?
16:38:45 Asked. the refers to this Rcw. right josh is that what you're saying?
16:38:52 That there is awareness that says that yeah I pasted that from from the draft I'm working from alright great.
16:39:03 Let's see. Yeah, I think we got all of her points in this email
16:39:17 I'm gonna stop sharing
16:39:22 Anything else anyone remembers from public comment or earlier discussions.
16:39:29 I appreciate staff's on the fly work. as well as all the background that went into this So i'm i'm pretty happy with where we are right now, you too.
16:39:38 I'm a afraid Josh is gonna quit already, though, I can do this all night, so do we.
16:39:59 Does somebody want to make a motion to adopt this ordinance as amended?
16:40:06 I would be happy to to move that we approve the ordinance for feeling, replacing in our ordinance.
16:40:13 Oh, 8, 1213 to 21, and adopting the zoning regulations for the citing establishment, an operation of a temporary, homeless facilities and unincorporated areas of Jeff Ke county
I
16:40:22 don't think we have a number yet as as amended today, and I will second in favor.
16:40:32 I great thank you and for those that I don't know who's doing the final version of the ordinance.