HomeMy WebLinkAboutclosed_caption09:01:08 I wait till the cell phone say 9 too.
09:01:39 Okay, awesome, say 9 o'clock Now so I will call this meeting of the Jefferson County Board of Commissioners to order June 20 seventh, 2,022.
09:01:51 There goes the clock tower. I would be remiss if I hadn't mentioned the happenings of the past week in our country.
09:02:03 And saying how devastated I am for everybody in our country, but for the all the girls and women who will not have a choice in their own healthcare procedures.
09:02:13 And if you just devastating to me, I have very close young women in my life who are already afraid, even though we live in a in a state that's declared, it will be a safe harbor.
09:02:25 State it's just a devastating turn of events to have this attack at Roe versus wait and sorry to politicize the beginning of our meeting.
09:02:34 I don't usually do that, but it's not my style or my modo.
09:02:38 But this is my Mojo freedom of choice Oh, it's about people.
09:02:43 So good. good morning, Could I just add to that absolutely public health is looking for ways to be proactive?
09:02:52 And so we might be considering a proclamation, or something, and Board of health, too.
09:02:57 So just want folks to know that locally we take this area seriously and are doing what we can to to try to.
09:03:04 Preserve choice. Yeah, 100%. Yeah. stressing. We all have young women in our lives, too.
09:03:11 May have unfortunate choices to make in the future. so, and we know the cost of unwanted children in society.
09:03:18 Weeks. a lot of them they come through the courthouse.
09:03:21 Does state with broken families, and we simply can't afford more of them.
09:03:26 Yeah. and the places that are going to marginalize.
09:03:29 You know this choice are also the places that are not helping those folks that need a little bit of a hand up when they're you know, having kids.
09:03:36 Sorry it's you know it's yeah it's horrible!
09:03:41 Yeah. So on that not so cheering note as we do every Monday morning.
09:03:47 That was our little public comment session, fellow commissioners.
09:03:51 But as we do every Monday morning, we love to hear from the public.
09:03:56 And We will start our meeting with public comment, and we will keep public comment open until 9 30.
09:04:01 If there is anybody on the attendee list. who would like to share a comment this morning, please raise your hand using the raise hand button at the bottom of your zoom screen.
09:04:12 I don't see anybody on the phone so we have a few hands going up a number of hands going up so we'll start with. it.
09:04:23 Looks like Jessica's at the top of the list Jessica, and then on Queue Vicki and Jean
09:04:32 Yeah, and then Kate just reminded we've had a a few odd weeks in terms of our schedule, and next week will be another one, because July Fourth is a Monday, so we will not be
meeting until Tuesday
09:04:44 next week, which throws things off a little bit for everybody but just giving you a heads up.
09:04:50 That next week is going to be one of those weeks where our meeting will be on Tuesday.
09:04:53 Good morning, Jessica. You have 3Â min for comment.
09:04:58 Hi, and good morning, and I mean you know my usuals feel about conservation and things like that.
09:05:06 But I did participate in a meeting with dnr dwayne Emmons, who's sitting in for Ingus Brody, and there were 2 other fellas there. habitat conservation.
09:05:18 Was one of them, and I can't remember the other person ecosystems, I think.
09:05:24 But anyway, I wanted to they're using like a a new rubric or a measuring measurement tool for conservation.
09:05:35 To try to measure this called high conservation values and I think it's. I looked it up and it's high conservation values, or Hc. V.
09:05:44 Dot org and a lot of those things that they're looking at have to do with species diversity ecosystem health.
09:05:57 And What else? community needs cultural values? ecosystem services.
09:06:05 And those are really important things. I think i'd like to look at a little bit more, and maybe come up with something that is like that. or use that special force, ecosystem
and one of the things that
09:06:24 Dwayne said, was that we're probably not going to be able to apply the carbon offset to our smaller for a stands because they're under a 100 acres, and maybe that can be adjusted
09:06:43 on their end. Maybe they can start to Come up with a new standard that fit some of these smaller forests.
09:06:51 Stands like penny wise and beaver valley sorts So i'm I mean it's kind of a heads up that they're probably not gonna be able to fall under some of our stands are not going to
be able
09:07:02 to fall under the carbon offset program and
09:07:08 The other thing I wanted to say is that I heard that Pennyweis is back on the shopping block for July, so so they are encouraging.
09:07:20 I guess they're gonna be deciding in july's board meeting the bnr board meeting if they're gonna cut it.
09:07:29 And I think that I think that we have to keep in mind that a lot of the just because this year we're seeing a lot of the force we want to conserve happen to be the the ones
that are in
09:07:43 Jefferson County that, you know, contribute funding I think we have to look at the long term because remember, it's just 9.3 percent of the total acreage in public lands in
Jefferson county that are under
09:08:02 hopefully kind of going to be conserved as what we call legacy for us, and it's not the it's not even close to half the forest.
09:08:10 It just happens to be that it's concentrated in this time period, and I think that, instead of feeling like a financial stress, I think we should look at the longer picture.
09:08:22 Is it 3Â min, bye, picky up next and then Jean i'll bring over a gene, and then Joanne, good morning.
09:08:34 My name is Vicky Son Tag, and I live in Port Townson.
09:08:38 I need here today to request that the Board of Commissioners, in discussing the pathway to permanent supportive housing.
09:08:50 Consider how they are going to revisit the June thirteenth.
09:08:55 Temporary housing ordinance as past It has come to our attention, and our review of that ordinance that just one provision makes the shelters at Peter's place, no longer in
compliance with the
09:09:15 ordinance that is, ordinance Section 4 construction and life safety requirements which reads any tiny shelter or structure with more than one sleeping area, must be built to
international residential co- Appendix cute tiny
09:09:32 homes or be fixed with a label from Washington State Labor in industries.
09:09:38 This new permission, which was in discussed in the presentation to you as a new provision.
09:09:47 Means that all tiny structures and Peters place, as I said, no longer comply with the code as established through the ordinance.
09:09:57 Passing, and, in fact, tiny shelters by down the nation, and cannot meet this requirement.
09:10:03 Irc. Appendix. Q. which is now appendix.
09:10:08 A queue. Standards require permanent provisions for eating sanitation that is, bathrooms and kitchens.
09:10:17 As well as the permanent foundation. In addition to our knowledge, Washington state labor and industries does not inspect or permit tiny structures, So the requirement for tiny
structures got to Irc standards or with the label through me
09:10:37 Alan, I also contradict. the definition step forth in the ordinance for temporary, tiny shelter village, as follows: Temporary, tiny structures for on house people are typically
less than 200 square feet and
09:10:53 easily constructed, and moved various locations for the purposes of Jcc.
09:11:00 1,800 2,385 temporary, tiny structures are not dwelling units for purposes of the building code.
09:11:08 And I will just say that the planning commission in it during the planning commission presentations by staff.
09:11:15 It was established that Washington State law provides for housing and tiny shelters by exempting them from Irc standard.
09:11:25 So this is just one example of the many confusions that are now in this code.
09:11:30 I don't know how they got there. but I really would like to see the discussion today.
09:11:38 Include how we're going to revisit this ordinance that was passed.
09:11:45 That's my 3Â min thank you thank you vicki I am sending messages to all the folks who have raised their hand.
09:11:57 Everyone's gonna need to accept the Promotion to panelists.
09:12:02 So Joanne. Mary Jean. Okay, looks like It's happening now, is that me Commissioner Yup.
09:12:11 Good morning, Jean. You'll have 3Â min for public comment.
09:12:16 Good morning, Commissioners. Thank you for your comments about the national issues taking place.
09:12:21 I'm sure the finer points are not lost on you but just for the purpose of maybe airing a grievance here today.
09:12:29 I would like to express a thought, you know it's not in the Constitution that a black man and a white woman can be wed.
09:12:41 It's not in the Constitution that women can vote it's, not in the Constitution that anybody would but a white man can own property.
09:12:52 2 to be a what is it they call a sexualist, and not allow for evolution and the change of society?
09:13:07 And rights of citizens and people to be more inclusive to seek out a more perfect union as opposed to staying stuck in your old and backwards ways.
09:13:23 Seems detrimental to our future as a nation and as a people.
09:13:29 Clarence Thomas has stated that he intends to go after gay rights and marriage that he plans to go after birth control.
09:13:41 So much for the hatred of big government, So much for the separation of Church and State.
09:13:48 This is a rogue court. They have lost all credibility.
09:13:52 There has been an erosion of the rule of law at the highest levels of this country.
09:13:59 We are doomed with this type of trajectory.
09:14:04 The conversation nobody seems to be willing to have is that with over 8 billion people on the planet, and an increasingly difficult ability to provide for these human beings,
why are we not having the conversation that instead of eradicating birth control that we
09:14:28 should be expanding it to everyone interested and willing to accept it.
09:14:36 This is a great cognitive Dissonance we're going in the wrong direction.
09:14:42 Why are we not talking about access for everyone everywhere? Thank you, Commissioners.
09:14:52 Thank you, Jane. I think, Mary Jean, you have 3Â min for comment and Carolyn Mark is asking to be brought over again.
09:15:05 He got his computer restarted. Yeah, just start. but yeah, morning, Mary Jean: good morning.
09:15:17 Commissioners. my name's, Mary Jean Ryan I live on the Tuatus Peninsula.
09:15:24 I just wanted to say thanks for scheduling time later today to discuss the Dnr forest issues.
09:15:30 And thank you all again for all the work. that you've been putting into these issues and for sending the 2 letters over to the State in your May thirty-first letter you expressed
interest in developing a more collaborative
09:15:42 relationship with Dnr, as was suggested by the Commissioner of Public Lands, and you asked the State for the time that you need to do the necessary field and analytic work to
establish priorities.
09:15:58 I hope the session this afternoon will include a discussion of how best organized now to accomplish the next steps.
09:16:07 I want to bring a prior planning effort to your attention because I think it might be relevant back in 2,011, which was also a time when the county and various stakeholders
did not fully agree with Dnr's
09:16:20 plans. A group called the Public Lands Group was formed, and with a year work they looked at 45 separate parcels of Dnr.
09:16:29 Land in East Jefferson County, and they made recommendations for the future use of each of the parcels.
09:16:35 They looked at all the tools and each parcel, and then recommended which partial parcel should be for working for us, community for us, trustland transfer, natural area, and
so on.
09:16:48 This document is called The Forest for the Future It's still up on the Northwest Watershed Institute's website, and from reading it.
09:16:59 It seems like Dnr. was very collaborative in that process.
09:17:01 This plan could be updated, and possibly very useful for guiding future actions.
09:17:08 An updated version now could also include recommendations related to the carbon project given the county site and focus on climate protection, and it could also include recommendations
related to the type of harvest.
09:17:24 Cause. Obviously not all logging has to be clear cutting.
09:17:28 Many of the actual people who worked on that 2,011 project are still actively involved today.
09:17:35 And I I just recommend taking a look at this prior work, as it might help as a guide for how to organize the next steps.
09:17:43 Thank you, Thank you, Mary Jane. Joanne Heron.
09:17:50 Good morning, Joanne. You need to unmute
09:17:59 You're still muted Joanne
09:18:04 There actually It's not joanne it's fate across that I am a resident of Fort Townsend.
09:18:15 I wanted to thank the current Commissioners first of all for writing the letter to Dnr.
09:18:21 Or a letter requesting the moratorium on cutting in legacy forests in the county.
09:18:30 Okay, I request that it sounds like, Jessica has information that is pertinent to this, and I I request that the Re.
09:18:43 The County Commissioners resend the letter to ask that penny wise not be cut. During the January parting the July Board meeting of the Bnr.
09:18:59 And I urge the county to take advantage of the Cpu Francis offer for the county to
09:19:08 Set its own priorities. I very pleased with that, and I finally urge the county not to take reconvenience off the table without the complete of their analysis.
09:19:21 Thank you very much. Thank you. Fat Is there anybody else with us this morning in the Zoom room?
09:19:32 We would like to make a public comment at, this time you can use the raise hand button at the bottom of your zoom screen, and I don't see anyone on the phone, so that's the
option for this morning and I see a
09:19:45 hand
09:19:55 Good morning. Dr. Jones. Yeah, there you go camera and unmuted.
09:20:00 You're good to go you have 3Â min thank you so much.
09:20:04 Good morning, Commissioners, and thank you for the opportunity to comment and your continued work.
09:20:10 I'll add my appreciation to take steps to manage Jefferson County's.
09:20:14 Public natural resource in the interest of all the people. the Department of Natural Resources has offered an opportunity for Jefferson County to co-manage its forests.
09:20:27 In the immediate term Jefferson County should consider, and I hope we can here in the discussions this afternoon, and offer guidance to Dnr.
09:20:37 For harvest planned for the next few months in the immediate term in Jefferson County, including requesting Dnr.
09:20:44 To immediately change their rotation. schedule and prioritize stands for treatment that are plantation stands not general.
09:20:54 Not naturally regenerated, and for stands to defer the for up to a year, as requested in your letter request that Dnr.
09:21:03 Move up to rotation immediately. these plantation stands that they chose to set aside for these several years, while they cut controversial older forests that are required to
meet their older forest targets under the Hcp.
09:21:19 In the alternative request that they change the types of treatments.
09:21:25 To Jefferson County stands this summer eliminating any clear cuts or what they call variable retail retention.
09:21:30 Harvest from the type of treatments in older forest stance, and required Dnr to change these sales to ecological thinning.
09:21:38 Only with no application of herbicides in penny, wise at least defer immediately and permanently.
09:21:47 Unit 7 with no herbicides treatments. Thank you, and I look forward to hearing this afternoon your deliberations.
09:21:57 Thank you, Patricia. Is there anybody else on the attendee list this morning?
09:22:04 You would like to make public comment. you can use the raise hand button at the bottom of your zoom screen, and we'll bring you over for public comments.
09:22:18 Not seeing any other hands go up, we will leave public comment open until 9 30.
09:22:21 So if somebody joins us late or has a late minute movement to make a comment, we'll bring you over who wants to start off responding to public comment.
09:22:38 I could start off this morning patricia i'm wondering if you would be willing to send it comes up your reading from something, but I would look to see what you just discussed.
09:22:49 I wasn't able to jump down notes quickly enough and if you pulled out some important points that i'd love to to have written down.
09:22:56 So if you have that in a form that could be emailed, it would help be helpful for this afternoon to discussion.
09:23:01 Thank you I will thank you let's see obviously we're going to be talking about Dvr and our trust lands this afternoon, so we'll touch on that too much other than just say appreciate
the reminder
09:23:16 about the 2011 work that was done, and the reminder that these things seem to come in iterations.
09:23:22 And you know, do our best to strike the right balances time.
09:23:27 I am probably not the best one to speak to the idea of revisiting the ordinance.
09:23:33 So I will defer to my other commissioners. and we could talk about if there are some edits needed, and how we will go through that process.
09:23:43 And let's see to ms ball's point you know It's it's interesting.
09:23:52 I've really been struggling since friday speaking about how you know our our constitution has served us well in this country, and it's you know it's the first of its kind, and
a bit of an experiment, and but you know
09:24:05 we're We're Certainly seeing right now that it does not offer the types of potential sections that we need in the modern world.
09:24:11 And how? how do we move forward and thinking about how we we maintain what has what has been a largely successful experiment?
09:24:20 And and yet in this divided time also be able to move away from a rather antiquated document.
09:24:28 And and have a democracy that is more more responsive and more inclusive.
09:24:36 So. i'm grappling with some of those same ideas I think that's all for now, thank you, Mr.
09:24:46 Brotherson. Thank you Thank you chair yeah appreciate everyone's comments today, as Kate says, we're gonna you know, appreciate all the input as you know, jessica's information
and the carbon offset is for larger
09:24:58 properties is intuitively checked out with me is new information.
09:25:04 So we'll cover all of these issues later but appreciate people.
09:25:09 Giving their input I have checked out the force for the future document a little bit. but I think that's a good point.
09:25:15 You know you don't you have to refresh data but let's not waste work that's been done in the past, especially with with the same stakeholders here.
09:25:26 Yeah forests to Miss santaugs comments yeah.
09:25:34 I'm sorry we were gonna talk last week. and I was out in the West End without Internet for 3 days.
09:25:39 So my mind on my own research. but I think kind of a little edit trace on on the document.
09:25:43 The planning commission looked at compared to what we approved is is reasonable.
09:25:49 I at that point number 4 that you pointed out I mean Yes, I know these wooden shelters can't can't meet Ibc because they don't have bathroom.
09:25:58 So it's that seems like a good note but i'm a I've not done enough research myself, but we can make changes.
09:26:02 I think I don't know heidi is that why it's on our agenda later.
09:26:06 I assume that was kind of I mean there's a specific agenda.
09:26:11 Item about so discussion about ordinance 5, 6, 31, 22, a little.
09:26:27 So I think that's on our agenda specifically talk about, and I think the pathway to permanent is is, you know, an ancillary conversation, and very important.
09:26:35 But I think that is the appropriate place to talk about the day. and I think we it's i'm interested in this conversation, too, and you know we can make adjustments if we need
to There was a real
09:26:46 urgency in getting it done with our temporary temporary ordinance coming to an end.
09:26:51 So it's it's not written down so I don't think we write them in stone for a year or so after we pass our was a joke.
09:27:02 Sorry. Not a good one and I guess and to Miss Paul you know.
09:27:06 Yeah, it's it's, frustrating there's been, I mean there was another case today from the Supreme Court that was dispiriting for me, and I I do feel like there's some cultural
choices being
09:27:17 made in the fourteenth amendment seems I could pick my daughter a whole lot less than it did last week.
09:27:23 So i'm I'm concerned and other cases on the horizon, You know, West Virginia versus the Epa have post potentially transformative impacts on how we do business and and our you
know very very real climate
09:27:37 change goals as a nation, so it is concerning and I think we'll use.
09:27:43 I'll use certainly use what political capital I have on the local level to help.
09:27:47 To add to this conversation, and and you know preserve choice for for women and girls as much as we can.
09:27:53 I think it's yeah I just I I feel mike it's been a step, a step back for equality happened last week, and it it.
09:28:04 It touches me to the soul as it as I think about my daughter coming into the world.
09:28:10 And coming to adulthood so thank you for the comments.
09:28:13 I think that's all I had now we'll talk a lot more about trees and dnr later.
09:28:19 Yeah. and all I would add is, I was on my way for another conversation about Treason Dnr.
09:28:25 Last Thursday, when I stopped at the corner store to pick up some lettuce, and the center road was closed again.
09:28:32 There was a major fire at the short farm on thursday, and the historic home there was lost, and that's not lost on me.
09:28:41 The irony of the funding that we're talking about for these forests going going to the fire the fire districts and
09:28:51 Our fire districts sorely need any funding they can get, and Anyway, it was a it was a last for the short family, and the residents of the house, including Rosa Escalara and
her family, who I don't know how
09:29:04 many of hundreds of her tacos i've eaten over the decades, and I adore and appreciate Rosa immensely.
09:29:11 And there's a go fund me campaign going to help their family to offset the losses that they experienced in the short term.
09:29:21 So just wanted to make my own public comment about that tragedy that happened in our community, and I was able to talk to Roger on Friday.
09:29:27 And you know he's still grappling with all the bigger issues around drainage, and the chimicum Chimicum Creek, and you know the fire is not my biggest concern right now, but
it is a
09:29:38 It's a tragedy for our our community on the farm here.
09:29:42 So just wanted to put a pen in that and and remind the community that we talk about these bigger decisions and issues we have.
09:29:50 But there are some real short term things happening in our community that need our attention as well.
09:29:56 So and I don't need to start crying about Roe versus wait again and talk about my God daughters who are coming in age.
09:30:05 So So I think it's 9 30 and we do have Dr.
09:30:12 Barry with us this week at our normal time. 9, 45. We do not have any proclamations this morning, so we could consider consent agenda.
09:30:25 Now We had another meeting consent agenda, with a lot of great efforts by public health, and also for some flood control.
09:30:36 And then the the yeah, the not sexy sounding port hadlock, sewer, grinder, pump connection investigations.
09:30:43 But glad to see that work moving forward. and then some change orders to big projects.
09:30:51 The cedar app pedestrian bike improvements.
09:30:54 All good work and more advisory board appointments here, so I don't know if anyone else wants to talk about anything specifically that's on consent.
09:31:04 Really excited Bob Davis will be joining us on the housing fund boards.
09:31:08 So i'm glad glad of his continued interest and and I you know that grinder pump. I thought that was pretty sexy.
09:31:14 I love it when you local local expert pre-existing local expertise to to to to help the project, I thought it was great. so I maybe it's just cause i've been out and had locked
talking about grinder pumps
09:31:27 for about a year and a half, so it's not new to me. but I I was really excited by that too.
09:31:35 Yeah, lots of good, lots of good stuff on here, you know.
09:31:39 Great to finally to to find a a contractor for the the the flood control system program, I know that was that's been a long time coming.
09:31:47 So great to be able to use that and and make our our county safer and build that understanding.
09:31:55 So yeah, good stuff i'm happy to make a motion to Approve it.
09:31:59 Adopt the consent agenda second, all in favor.
09:32:04 Aye, not a post passes unanimously.
09:32:08 Thanks for all your good work. Staff, who are listening this morning represented well on the consent agenda again this week.
09:32:22 So this point. So thanks for acknowledging that appreciative of the work of all of our staff. Okay.
09:32:36 Well, we've got about 10Â min until Dr. barry joins us and Willie Vince happy to give us an update on our heat situation.
09:32:47 Do you guys wanna take a break or we will do we want to take one more public comment.
09:32:56 I saw a hand go up. let's take one more public comment, and then we'll close public comment. Kelan.
09:33:03 You want to bring up her great thanks good morning, Mr. Kunzler. You'll have 3Â min for public comment this morning, I hope.
09:33:13 I'm not keeping anyone from any necessary breaks before Dr.
09:33:16 Perry's briefing, but I just wanted to say hi this morning.
09:33:19 I'm sorry I missed last week's freeing I will catch the video just very busy with simple flying stuff.
09:33:25 But really appreciate your comments. Made this morning about ruby weight as well serve on difference.
09:33:32 As you could probably don't like background I do care about the environment, and I do sometimes dabble in atmospheric research.
09:33:39 So i'm really worried about how far is chevron difference The loss of it could go, and what exactly the implications are.
09:33:48 And you know, could we lose Ebbs reserve on such a Wigby?
09:33:54 Could we lose because a court case gets to his supremes?
09:33:59 Could we lose national polls on the little bit minutes, or I mean I mean the the possibilities are endless, and none of them are good for the climate or environment.
09:34:08 So. and one last thing cause Arctic berries is coming up, and there's no public comment during that time.
09:34:15 I really appreciate what she's done I gun violence I am so grateful.
09:34:18 She intervene to prevent a mass shooting. I heard that really appreciate it, so just wanted to say, thank you for this channel.
09:34:25 So. So i'll hand over the microphone. So Thanks guys, Thank you, Joe. And with that Joe got the last word today on public comment, i'll just the the Chevron deference is a reference
to the case that I mentioned you know about rule making ability of Federal
09:34:44 agencies. basically which is the precedent. And without that that chevro deference might go away with this.
09:34:49 With this Supreme Court upcoming. supreme court decision which would mean, you know, legislators make the rules basically for any federal agencies, as my understanding.
09:34:58 But it's a pretty pretty far reaching. and what immediately mean that the like the clean carbon. I forget what the Obama's clean power plant Bill was But that was the inciting
incidents and it would
09:35:12 instantly mean that we could not make meet the climate poles that Biden might have.
09:35:16 Yeah, and i'm also worried about for a different reason I write for simple flying about our friendly skies.
09:35:24 And there's a bill right now that got out of the house went to his Senate that directs the secretary of transportation to define sexual harassment and sexual assault.
09:35:34 And I don't see how that's gonna survive without some chevron deference to agencies.
09:35:43 If if if everything has to be spelled up by Congress yeah, i'm sure we did.
09:35:49 Everybody agrees with me that that body is Gillen.
09:35:53 Slave body is, is the absolute poor opposite of the State legislature.
09:35:56 We have an Olympia i'm sorry this is.
09:36:00 Caroline forgot to move to to an attendee. as you close public comment period
09:36:10 Okay, So do you guys wanna take a break and tell 9, 44 is and come back for Dr.
09:36:17 Barry or Kate. Did you have anything to ask?
09:36:26 I'm i'm fine push through that's fine with me.
09:36:33 You would have a preference. I, for one, still need a break.
09:36:36 Yeah, i'm fine let's just keep going what's going on.
09:36:42 I'm. the worst about remembering breaks I was trying to be good today.
09:36:48 So who wants to Look at the look at their calendar for the next couple of weeks, on a do pass first briefing sure I I could go man's very brief cause.
09:37:05 I was to be on vacation last week, end up being much available.
09:37:11 Let's see mostly whatever port out about the housing fun board meeting, which Greg can take team on a little bit, too.
09:37:19 But that that group is getting it's getting more attraction and I think the couple of things that this body needs to know is one is that we're identifying a lot of needs around
housing nothing new I mean we
09:37:35 we've known that there's enormous need and not enough capacity or staff to or even really anyone designated to be grappling with and trying to advance certain barriers to housing
and so
09:37:49 there's some consideration beginning discussions within the hazard gun board of should the scope of that board be expanded.
09:37:58 Notice right now fairly limited to distribution of 1, 49 49, 1590 funds
09:38:05 And so just know that as as that group continues to gel that we might be asking to revisit the ila and so as an fyi the other my other major takeaway from that meeting was if
09:38:23 there's a there is a real interest in jefferson counting taking a look at its short term rentals impacts and potential regulations.
09:38:32 So. I think that's something we should add to an upcoming agenda and work with DCD.
09:38:38 And perhaps others. So mark pinging you here but I I think. Well, I mean heidi i'm assuming you're interested in this, too.
09:38:48 It's something you've been working on as well so we I if we to the conclusion it is it is time to for us to get serious about looking at shorts from rentals in a conversation
with the one
09:39:01 of the service providers that we've been in in contact with about some regulation of those they mentioned that it in the last year 40 short term vacation rentals have been added
in Jefferson County.
09:39:15 So they're increasing those are you know potentially 40 rental units for our own residents being taken off the rental market.
09:39:25 And so I just want to put a pin on something you just said i'm assuming you're talking about housing solutions network when you say short term rental.
09:39:34 Okay. So just because we don't talk about things things outside and I'm, not on the housing fund board with you guys.
09:39:41 I have been working with housing solutions network, and we did have a couple of meetings with the Shalan County Commissioners about their their short term rental ordinance in
the last couple of months.
09:39:54 So. if you want a briefing on that or you know there's a lot of interest in the community about this issue, and i'm tangentially involved because I was at a conference and had
the conversation with the shilling county
09:40:06 Commissioner, but it's more in your guises wheelhouse has housing, fun board board members, and so i'm happy to hand over my information through mark and share with you what
i've learned about that issue
09:40:22 Solean County has done an awesome job with their short term rental ordinance, and they also had to update that ordinance because they you know they made it better over time.
09:40:31 They. They created a tiered system for people wanting to rent their homes based on the amount of time that the homeowner well lived in in the county, and whether it was just
like an ad you at their house versus they
09:40:42 were buying another house to make and do a short terminal.
09:40:45 So they they've done a lot of thinking and a lot of public engagement for their ordinance. and i'm happy to share what I've learned regarding that work.
09:40:53 Yeah, yeah, that's great there's a lot of good good models out there.
09:40:57 Many counties do have an ordinance and and what So what i'm proposing is that we pull this from the Housing Fund board and bring it to us because it I think we we need to create
ordinance
09:41:08 we'll be in our wheelhouse to do Yeah. and my understanding from Solan is that really involved their community development department.
09:41:17 And we need to make sure that we have the capacity to do that level of work.
09:41:23 Cause sounded like they hired consultants. And yeah, complex has the capacity to do that in community development.
09:41:32 Yes, we I think if we really want to do it, it will involve hiring consultants.
09:41:36 So I think that's that's the bulk of my last week.
09:41:45 Alright bye, yeah, Also with the Housing Funding Board meeting, agree with everything.
09:41:51 I think transient rental, short term rentals is absolutely work plan.
09:41:55 I think housing fun Board has an important piece because that's where we can align with the city and make sure that worked.
09:41:59 They've already done and work. that we do aligns and It's consistent because people don't really know when they leave 4 towns and get into Jefferson County and consistency across
our our municipalities is
09:42:10 important, but I think that's critical work i'll also say that we have a the R.
09:42:15 If we approve the rfp for the $1590 for that process, and that's gonna open that's open now with taking applications up till July eighteenth, and then we're gonna make a decision
in the late
09:42:26 July for award beginning in August, and then also the 148, and 1 49 rfp processes.
09:42:34 We kind of got rid of that committee and are taking that work on to the whole Housing Fund board, and we'll be opening the Rfp.
09:42:45 In on August first for the 149 49 funds for the coming year.
09:42:49 So that's exciting lots lots of work. was happening there for sure it does does feel like traction.
09:42:55 Let's see. last Tuesday we of course men in the morning. and then we had Jefferson transit still struggling with staffing like everywhere.
09:43:06 Jefferson transit and I it was pretty pretty close to not being able to provide full service, and then I don't know a bus didn't show up for my daughter the other day, and i'm
wondering if we actually
09:43:16 dipping into not being able to provide a 100% of the service that we that we want to, and that's so it's some some issues going on over there.
09:43:25 But I really have been impressed with our our interim directors leadership.
09:43:31 I think. nicole's doing a a great job and Randa stepping into the finance role as Well, I've been really impressed at how they've just hit the ground running it's Okay, i'll
be
09:43:42 quick. Jeff, Calm meeting on thursday. you know staffing is a big issue here, too.
09:43:52 It's. it's it's it's really it's getting the kind of critical staffing and I think missing those the 2 supervisors we have in there is is starting to have impacts on on
09:44:03 morale, too. So I mean this. this hiring challenges are really impacting many organizations.
09:44:13 Ability to provide services to the whole community. and that's something that we need to be really common sense of another reason to make more long term rentals right?
09:44:21 After that I drove out to the the West End.
09:44:25 I went, and toured the whole bucket house, and forks, which is a veteran's new veterans.
09:44:31 Shelter. That is almost done right next to Sarge's place across the way. am I am I getting the hook Okay, i'll be I'll be quick.
09:44:42 And then, really interesting to see that how it was built, and and the you know the so significant housing services that that started his place.
09:44:51 And how about that house provide? And then, on Friday morning I I floated the ho with guide and columnist for the pdn kind of talking a little bit about the whole resiliency.
09:45:05 Project. Then I went down to the quinol Indian Nation, and a great meeting with their their chief planner, and kind of established communications, both mostly and supportive.
I think it's house bill 1717 that that
09:45:21 kind of requires that we that we develop more cooperation with our travel partners, and, you know, talked about interest in maybe having a tribal element in our Comp: plan,
and just sort of establish.
09:45:34 It was a really good conversation. And then Saturday had the whole resiliency picnic.
09:45:40 And I met Maryland lives right adjacent.
09:45:44 Old homesteader lives adjacent to the National Park, and couple.
09:45:50 Lady really liked her, and some other people and and got a little bit more people interested in that first and then the cut reach project that we approve the wicked application
for last week, and i'm still convinced that that is
09:46:03 a really worthwhile project to really fully design. so feeling optimistic about the that application, and that was my week.
09:46:17 Sorry i'm late
09:46:19 Thanks for your reports. Guys mark's computer restarted again.
09:46:22 So he'll be back with us I see Dr.
09:46:27 Barry and Willie Bent are here with us.
09:46:31 Good morning, Allison. Hope you're staying cool this morning, Good morning.
09:46:38 Yes, hey, rack in the short sleeves today, because it is quite warm out there.
09:46:45 So little update on the Covid front. We are continuing to see very high rates of Covid.
09:46:52 19 transmission in our region, but we also continue to see no spike and severe disease.
09:46:56 In our region, as well nationally case rates are largely plateauing on the northeast.
09:47:01 We're seeing case rates. down trending but the rest of the country. Were really seeing a plateau at those quite high rates in Washington State.
09:47:10 We are seeing early signs of a down trend in cases but it's relatively slow.
09:47:15 So very similar to what We're seeing out here we're hoping that we'll see a down trend in this region to really be as well in Jefferson County.
09:47:25 Our total case rates at this point. Our total number of cases we diagnosed with Covid 19 is 4,657.
09:47:31 That puts our case rate at 976 per 100,000 with a 14% positivity rate.
09:47:39 We have no one currently in the hospital. with a total of 134 hospitalizations and 30 deaths, due to COVID-19 in neighboring Cloudam County.
09:47:49 As a Friday we were up to 13,000 544 cases that puts us at a case rate of 625, with a 16% positivity rate.
09:47:58 We did have a small search in hospitalizations in palm up to 6 people hospitalized, though that's half of our highest peak in hospitalizations.
09:48:07 And we are hopeful that we'll see that number go down soon our total number of people hospitalized in cloud is 394.
09:48:14 We have lost 116 of our citizens to Covid 19.
09:48:19 At this point in both of our regions we're going to be transitioning to weekly updates in our covid 19 numbers.
09:48:26 We are. it's a part of an overall transition in our response to kind of a more sustainable version of the Kovat 19 response.
09:48:34 We do think, with weekly updates we'll still be able to get the public enough data to make informed decisions about how they navigate their day.
09:48:42 But at least reduce the workload on the staff just a little bit the other big news.
09:48:48 Of course, is that pediatric vaccines for for kids 6 months and up have have been approved.
09:48:57 There was unfortunately a delay in those vaccines being shipped to our region.
09:49:02 So Jefferson County will begin vaccinating the 6 month and up crowd the first week of July. We've just started getting those vaccines into our area, so we'll be starting those
vaccines early in
09:49:16 July the 2 primary places where You'll be getting vaccinations available for that age group in Jefferson County. Our Jefferson health care and Jefferson Public health at Jefferson
healthcare
09:49:27 They're also going to be starting first week of July Jefferson.
09:49:30 Public health. You can call our main number at 3, 6, 0, 3, 8, 5, 9, 4, 0 0 to get on the schedule, for when we start vaccinating and we are accepting appointments at this point.
the sheridan.
09:49:42 Clinic is gonna be doing the the primary vaccinations, or that age group in Clown County.
09:49:49 We did receive our vaccine. So we are vaccinating at the Com County Public Health Department.
09:49:54 Now you can call our main number we vaccinate on Wednesdays in Port Angeles later in the week in forks our primary care providers are just starting to receive their vaccine.
09:50:04 As well. So if you have a primary care provider, in Cloud County, I would give them a call, and you could go ahead and start receiving vaccine for that age group as well.
09:50:14 So with that I'm happy to take any questions I have I have one question, Dr.
09:50:20 Barrier and that's you know last week at during the week before Board of Health. talked a little bit about both you and and Mr.
09:50:30 Cole talked about the impact on on jefferson healthcare and and providing help even when they're not hospitalized.
09:50:37 And I think it's just not something we've talked about here.
09:50:38 So i'm wondering if you can address kind of the ongoing Covid impacts to our healthcare system that Aren't, quite as obvious from the statistics that we normally report out
on sure so
09:50:48 we're not at the level of kind. of hospital overwhelmingly experience before we're really all the hospital beds are full, and all the ambulances are full, and so we're still
in a much better place than we were
09:50:57 then, but it is still a significant strain on the entire healthcare system.
09:51:02 Your healthcare system is bigger than just the hospital, so the primary care clinics are very, very busy taking care of positive patients.
09:51:12 Particularly at helping people access packs a little bit there's a huge demand for backslvid in our region, and so just managing all those calls, managing all those appointments.
09:51:20 And Pax love. It is a great drug, but it does have a lot of interactions with other medications.
09:51:25 And so you do need someone to review your medication list and make sure that there's no problematic interactions there, and that takes time.
09:51:31 The other main thing that's affecting our Healthcare system that I heard about on our call with Jefferson healthcare this morning.
09:51:39 Is that there's just so much covid that they're getting infected, too, in the community primarily, often because they have children. So one of the places where we're seeing
a lot of transmission is among young people but
09:51:49 then bring it home and can get their family members sick even if they're vaccinated and boosted, and luckily we're not seeing severe disease, and those who are vaccinated and
boosted but you can't work in
09:51:58 a healthcare setting, if you're positive for covid and so they're experiencing a lot of shortages in workforce related to that.
09:52:07 Thank you. Thank you. I had one question just curious. how things are looking.
09:52:15 The the mutations and variations front. So that was actually one of the listeners had the same question.
09:52:23 So on the variant fret we're still seeing pretty much exclusively omicron in in the in the world.
09:52:31 Actually at this point omicron just has such a transmission advantage that that's really what we're seeing.
09:52:36 But there's some variants of democrats so looking at what's circulating in Washington State at this point.
09:52:42 We're seeing ba 2 a variant of ba 2 point, 1, 2.
09:52:47 The names are getting exceedingly complicated, and then Ba 4 Nba.
09:52:50 5. Those are all kind of splitting about 2025% each of them.
09:52:55 They're kind of we're not seeing one that's surging over the others.
09:52:57 This same way we saw before. all of those are still looking very similar to overcrown, which is why they're kind of all still lumped into omicron.
09:53:08 We're not seeing any search in severity in any of those variants which is hopeful, but each subsequent variant is a little more transmissible than the one that came before.
09:53:15 So b a 4 nba 5 are actually even more transmissible than the omega that we're used to out here.
09:53:22 We're starting to see those circulate in Washington state What does that mean?
09:53:26 From a practical standpoint, is the vaccines are still holding up great for preventing severe disease. And that's really one of the biggest things good masks still hold up really
well.
09:53:36 Too. So a K. and 95 Kf. 94 still hold up really well.
09:53:41 But anytime that you see people gathered indoors, unmasked or not in high quality masks.
09:53:46 You can contract Covid 19, because these viruses are just so transmissible.
09:53:51 Particularly Ba. 4 and 5 are really showing significant aerialization.
09:53:56 And so what that means is that kind of distancing that used to protect us before doesn't really anymore?
09:54:03 That it just kind of floats in the air, and can travel quite long distances in an indoor space. So the the guidance is still really the same for for our community. is, you know,
get vaccinated.
09:54:15 Get the boosted if you're gonna be in an indoor space.
09:54:19 Wear a mask. we do see good protection for those who are vaccinated and boosted, and have unfortunately had a recent breakthrough.
09:54:25 And so if you're looking for a time to take a mask break after you've had a recent infection, is is probably a good time.
09:54:31 We're not seeing significant reinfection within about 90 days, and so I wanna acknowledge that many people are are looking for a time where they can kind of let down their guard.
09:54:41 And if you're vaccinated and boosted and had a recent infection, that 90 days is a good time to kind of get out there and start gathering with folks a little bit more you are
very unlikely to get
09:54:50 reinfected in that time period, and also want to acknowledge that many of us have had are in various stages of having had recent infections, because of just how much has gone
through the community.
09:55:04 And so sometimes, if you see someone unmassed in an indoor setting, that might be why so just know that there's lots of lots of reasons that people might or might not be massed
in indoor settings and just trying to
09:55:15 be understanding of each other around that, and I wanna apologize for those you know.
09:55:20 Some of my hand. I slice my finger right before this call that's why you see a little bandage, and why i'm a little more
09:55:33 Any other questions from our commissioner? I would just say i've been giving that question, you know.
09:55:38 Why are you worrying? Why are you wearing a mask and i'm like?
09:55:40 Because the I talk to keep talking about the dial you know I said, We're still in the in the High.
09:55:46 We're still in the red red zone and people are like but it's, you know it's not as much of a problem anymore.
09:55:52 We're kind of it's an endemic thing and i'm like well, i'm still i've never contracted covid yet, and and I don't want to and I have elderly people in my
09:56:03 life. Who you know they've been maximized but I don't know if they have a breakthrough case, you know. So it's. but it it does feel like there's more questions in the community
about this endemic phase.
09:56:15 you know this kind of normal. the new normal and you know just probably we'll be asking questions about that for the rest of my time.
09:56:24 Well, and I think it's we're moving into a phase where the decisions about how you manage your risk are becoming more personal.
09:56:32 And so, because we know that the vaccines prevent severe disease.
09:56:37 We know that wearing a high quality mask. really protect you Well, it's becoming a bit more an individual decision about how you navigate risk, because only you know your full
health History only you know all the people at home that might or
09:56:49 might not have health histories. and so I think, just acknowledging, as we navigate these public spaces, that many of us are in different places.
09:56:58 Some of us have very high risk relative tips at home.
09:57:01 Some of us there are still there's some people who are actually allergic to the vaccine who can't get it
09:57:06 And so who are not protected so everyone's going to be making slightly different decisions, and just know that there's likely a good reason for that, and the more that we can
be kind and understanding in our public spaces the better well
09:57:21 I know I saw a whole long list of kvdz questions again this week, so we shouldn't defer time to those one person asked about moving to weekly updates.
09:57:37 And when those are gonna be updated. so our new numbers are gonna come every Monday.
09:57:41 So the numbers you hear on this call are our most updated numbers. They're going to be updated every Monday, at least by a noon.
09:57:48 But usually before this call. So if you go to Jefferson County Public health by noon on Monday, those are going to be our newest numbers. and then we'll be numb updating every
Monday after that on rare occasions we might have a
09:58:00 holiday on a Monday, and then you'll see an update on it.
09:58:06 This next person was asking about. this. last week we did see a very high spike in cases, and what was thriving that that was primarily graduation related Events that drove
that spike in infections.
09:58:18 Thankfully. As we move out of graduation season, we expect those numbers to come back down.
09:58:24 This person in particular asked if, we had seen any super spreader events in outdoor, that and we have not outdoor transmission of Covid.
09:58:35 19 is still incredibly rare, even with people very close together.
09:58:39 On the rare occasions that we have seen that in other parts of the country.
09:58:42 It's been related to very, very large events thousands of people crowded very close together, usually in concerts.
09:58:52 But most of the time. In truth, it was related to some indoor component of those outdoor events.
09:58:56 So I would not be concerned about outdoor events in our community very unlikely to see super spreader events related to that.
09:59:03 We have not seen that happen. we can see rare, you know, very close person to person outdoor transmission.
09:59:11 The only time that we have seen that in our community have been actually really related to sports.
09:59:15 So you guys might remember we had that related to football along the scrimmage line.
09:59:19 You can imagine it's very intense breathing on each other in that space, and we had one likely transmission that related to crew actually.
09:59:27 Because they're all lined up on the boat so even though there's a lot of good flow you're moving into each other's air as you row and so that's the one space that we've seen
09:59:39 outdoor events outdoor transmission we've not seen any other outdoor activity.
09:59:43 So it's very safe to go to the farmers market. let your kid play on a playground without a mask on them.
09:59:49 Those are all very safe things to do This next person was asking about the second booster.
09:59:57 So talking about you, whether or not it's advisable to get a second booster at this point.
10:00:02 So you guys might remember back when the second booster first came out.
10:00:05 We weren't seeing really any evidence about the need for protection against severe disease in in older folks. so we didn't have a lot of evidence for the second booster at that
point.
10:00:16 We are starting to see a very small rise in severe disease in those over 65 who have not gotten the second booster very, very slight.
10:00:25 Still the vast majority of severe disease is those who are truly unvaccinated at all, or who have not received their first booster.
10:00:33 So people have only had 2 shots, and who are over 65.
10:00:36 But we have seen a couple of cases of severe disease in people over 65 who had not gotten their second booster.
10:00:42 So for that reason I actually do recommend going forward with that second blister. If you're over 65 if if you're under 65, we still aren't seeing severe disease in that group,
there's not a lot
10:00:52 of evidence for need. but if you are over 50 you are eligible for it, and you can get it.
10:00:57 If you want that additional protection, we just don't have a lot of evidence for the need for it in that population.
10:01:03 If you're over 65 I would go ahead and get that second looser at this point. This next person was asking about singing in church.
10:01:15 It sounds like they really want to go back to singing in church.
10:01:16 It's really important to them and they're wondering if that's a reasonable thing to do. and I think this kind of moves into the discussion.
10:01:23 We were having in the beginning about personal risk assessment.
10:01:27 If for you singing insurance is really important, and it really feeds your soul, I think it's reasonable to try to find a way to do that.
10:01:34 Well, how you do That depends a lot on your personal risk.
10:01:39 So if you can tolerate singing in a mask that can be a good option.
10:01:45 A lot of people, can they can tolerate a can 95 or a singing mask.
10:01:49 And so if you're primary can concern if you don't want to spread Covid to other people continuing to wear a mask up, some kind will reduce that risk Another thing that will
reduce that risk of course, is
10:01:59 getting vaccinated and boosted. So, as we talked about on a prior program, you are much less likely to spread Kovat in a pre symptomatic fashion.
10:02:10 If you are vaccinated, and boosted so if you stay home if you're sick, you're vaccinated, and you're boosted, it is it is likely safe to go forward with singing in church even
if you can't
10:02:17 tolerate sending it. if you wanted to add another layer of protection on board for that, say you sing in church once a week.
10:02:25 You could always take an antigen test before you go and then, if you're negative, sing without a mask in church, so there are ways to make it as safe as possible.
10:02:35 This person also mentioned that usually doors are closed in their church.
10:02:39 It would be worthwhile now that things are getting warm.
10:02:42 Talking to your church leaders about if there are ways to make that church a little bit more, a little bit better ventilated, either adding more filters, opening doors and windows,
if that's possible.
10:02:52 But I think at this point it's important to find ways. to do those activities that are meaningful to you, and depending on your personal risk, adjust how many safety measures
you add there, certainly if you're on Chemo
10:03:07 you're over 70 or very high risk person I would really try to make sure you're wearing a high quality mask.
10:03:13 If you're going to church and singing but if you're in your thirtys vaccinated and boosted, don't have any other significant medical comorbidities. If your primary concern is
protecting
10:03:23 others Do take an action first before you go. Then I think you could go forward with Zoom.
10:03:30 Other questions. this person is about to go on a long plane right? They're vaccinated, and they've gotten both their boosters, but they're concerned about the new variants ba
4 and 5 and they wanted
10:03:41 some advice for how to do that. Well, luckily there are ways to do that.
10:03:46 Well. So I recently traveled on a plane with my family and the way that we did that to make sure that we were safe was we did wear high quality masks in the airport and in the
in the takeoff and landing part of
10:03:59 the plane flight. But once you're fully in the air the planes have really good filters, so it is reasonable to take off your mask once you're once you're flying and kind of
cruising.
10:04:11 Altitude. Once they say you can take your seat belts off that usually correlates with.
10:04:13 When those filters are on so it's reasonable to take up your mask in those spaces. drink We don't want you to take a transcontinental flight and never take a drink of water
We Do want
10:04:25 you to hydrate on those flights and then it's Okay, to eat once you're fully in the air.
10:04:29 Similarly in the airport. If you want to step away from other people, briefly take a drink and have a snack that can still be done quite well.
10:04:38 I just would love to connect your your comments about the planes and the effectiveness of the filters back to the conversation about church, and just make sure that people are
really thinking about you.
10:04:46 Know, Throwing a heap of filter in that church and making sure some doors are open, makes a huge difference, and you know the safety of of planes when they're going is really
well documented.
10:04:56 And you can create that kind of ventilation landscape, you know, in a in a congregate facility, too.
10:05:01 So it's really yeah ventilation can play a big role in helping us get back to these activities that are important to us.
10:05:09 And so to the extent that those kind of modifications can be done in any inner space, including churches. It can really help a lot, so that people can start reengaging in these
important activities, and some follow up to that too, i'm
10:05:21 sorry maybe Willie plans to to cover this little bit too.
10:05:27 I don't need the segue but the you know with the heat switch, of course short lives now.
10:05:34 But you know just I could see people starting to close doors more right like, because if you have air, conditioning, or heat pumps, or is there any kind of a predictable correlation
with air filtration with air
10:05:48 conditioners are heat pumps that people should be aware of in that risk analysis.
10:05:52 Yeah. So if you have if you have an hfx system, with good filtration, that's quite good.
10:06:00 So if you make sure you've got good filters on your Hvac system, that's gonna be actually pretty similar to if you have doors and windows open if you have a heat pump, you're
often not getting quite the level
10:06:11 of filtration that you would get with with a full Hvc.
10:06:16 System and that's what if you're lucky enough to have air conditioning.
10:06:18 That is what most of us have because most of us don't have hx systems.
10:06:22 I would say it's important to remember that the most important thing is managing heat actually.
10:06:28 So if we're in a critical high temperature time managing, that temperature is the most important thing to keeping yourself healthy, it is far better to let the filtration go
to keep yourself at the right temperature.
10:06:41 So it goes. heat, and then air filtration after that I don't want anyone a visking heat stroke in order to kind of prevent transmission of covid 19.
10:06:53 The only other thing there is just to since we're talking about it. talk a bit about the signs of heat stroke, and the importance of hydration so staying well hydrated when
it's hot really does
10:07:03 play a huge role in reducing heat stroke in our community.
10:07:06 But if you find that you're, getting dizzy feeling clammy or feeling feeling just kind of excessively worn, noticing that your face is getting red, do something to reduce that
heat if you don't have
10:07:21 ac keeping blinds, clothes, keeping curtains close during the day. To prevent sun getting in is really good.
10:07:26 If you can access a box fan that's really good and then the the most old-fashioned getting clocks wet putting them on your body actually really helps especially when you're
dealing with pets than children But
10:07:37 it also works for adults as well. alright couple other covid questions will swing back, and then I'm sure Willie will want to talk some more about the heat.
10:07:47 This next person asked about the likelihood of a fifth shot.
10:07:51 Booster. right Now we're not seeing any we're not seeing any move towards that we're still seeing as we've talked about excellent protection from just 3 doses for the vast majority
of us 4 doses, if you're over
10:08:05 65 or immunosuppressed.
10:08:06 What we may see. and certainly there is study ongoing in that is looking at potentially.
10:08:16 A can fall booster that's a little bit broader that would cover Covid 19.
10:08:20 There's actually some studies looking at a combined flu covid shot that we would take annually in the fall.
10:08:27 Not clear yet whether or not that will move forward, or exactly what that will look like.
10:08:30 But I would say, for now we're looking at just 3 for the vast majority of us.
10:08:36 For if you're over 65 this next person was asking about if there is local support for those who have Covid 19 and have to isolate and there is still. so we will still support
you if you need
10:08:48 help isolating if you need help. accessing food it is smaller than it used to be, and it is mostly Jefferson County public health.
10:08:57 So it's our team that will support you if you need help staying home.
10:09:03 With help from our community partners we work with Olycap we work with our local fire stations in South County to get folks help if we need
10:09:09 I think it is important to know that it is safe to do curbside pickup of just about anything.
10:09:14 If you have Covid and many of our stores and pharmacies offer that, and that is okay.
10:09:19 So if you have Covid 19, you can call for Curbside.
10:09:22 Pip up, but I know not all parts of our community have access to that, and we will still help you isolate at home.
10:09:27 If there's no one who can help you also remember that if you have family who are asymptomatic, vaccinated and boosted and not yet positive, they can go into stores with the
mascot to support you, which is different than
10:09:38 the beginning of the pandemic and I just add the library to curbside pickup for rapid tests, too, about the testing.
10:09:50 We've got a lot of options. and our libraries have really stepped up to support our community this time, and I want to acknowledge that
10:09:59 Then that we talked a little bit about outdoor transmission, very, very rare.
10:10:04 We talked a little bit about cases, and then this last question actually was talking about how to access the online voc meetings.
10:10:14 If there's ever any issues with the radio transmission of our reports. so you can go to the Jefferson County Board of County Commissioners website. And there's an easy link
to get into the zoom there So that you
10:10:26 can watch this online, if you like seeing It by video or if there's any issues with the radio generally.
10:10:33 We're gonna be every Monday at 9 45. If there's a County State or national holiday on that that Monday, then we're we often replay it on Tuesday. Sometimes the time.
10:10:42 Will shift a little bit for me then, because I have a competing clown county meeting at that time.
10:10:48 But we'll try to make sure that we share that information a little more advanced. people can find us if that happens.
10:10:55 And then I did have see a question on here about where to access a high quality masks.
10:11:02 So we've got a couple sites posted on our website and they do shift sometimes, depending on availability.
10:11:08 So my best recommendation is to go to the Jefferson County Public Health website to look at where we have high quality masks available, but we also always have them at Jefferson
County.
10:11:18 Public. so if you if you don't have access to high quality masks aren't able to get those on your own.
10:11:24 We do have them at the public health office as Well, and with that i'm happy to take any additional questions from our commissioners, or pass it over to Lily Pence if he's here
I don't have any to cater greg do you
10:11:38 have any additional no Willie, what's what do you have for us on the heat front.
10:11:50 Nothing. Nothing on the kovat front. from de unfortunately I will say on the the Free mask program. very briefly that has been all but dis continued At this point we've stopped
receiving high quality masks from the state and
10:12:01 we've stopped checking in with a lot of our regular distributors.
10:12:06 But now many of them do still have high quality masks available.
10:12:11 Is that very said public health. as a consistent source don't know where to go.
10:12:16 We do still have some in stock here at deem so give us a call.
10:12:21 We're not open regularly to the public but if all else fails, and we do have a backstock here at deem, and can help you.
10:12:28 And we have a couple of different options as well can help you pick the right one that's going to be most comfortable.
10:12:34 And provide you the best protector so don't hesitate to give us a call if need be, but for the most part demand had slowed to a trickle.
10:12:42 Folks have been able to find, and secure masks and found one they like, and so they weren't flying off the shelves like they were in the early days. pandemic on the heat front
we got our first
10:12:53 little bit of taste little taste of summer this weekend.
10:12:57 Unfortunately unlike the heat dome last June, and we did experience some significant pooling overnight.
10:13:05 One of the the main dangers of the heat dome was that it stayed so warm.
10:13:11 During the night. we weren't able to adequately cool those spaces that were air conditioned that were heating up during the day, and that you know didn't allow our bodies a
chance but we'll often kind of
10:13:22 would build on the risk of the heat over the days, as it remains so hot, so we're seeing some relief overnight.
10:13:30 Sunday. Look to be the hottest day so we we do look cool off.
10:13:34 I'm here over the next couple of days we're actually going to get some rain.
10:13:37 Either Tuesday night or into wednesday so That's nice for the most part.
10:13:41 Some of the risk. From this last event most of us are acclimated to this heat.
10:13:45 We had such a cold, wet spring on. This was a little bit of a system shock, and there is also some concern for
10:13:54 Those recreating on the water. Our rivers are so high and so cold from all the snow runoff, and that can create some additional danger as well.
10:14:02 So i'm gonna hope everyone was able to stay safe as they sought the water.
10:14:08 This weekend. we didn't look to our partners to look to open and operate cooling centers for this particular event as heat risk. It was noticeable but heat risk overall remained
relatively
10:14:21 low, and one thing the National Weather Service did. coming out of the heat events last year. was put together.
10:14:27 A heat risk index to allow us better understand risks, as it relates to our vulnerable populations from heat events, and for the majority of the county we remained in a relatively
low portion of the index some folks
10:14:43 in the the southeast part of the county did experience some moderate heat.
10:14:47 Risk yesterday, but for the most part i'm nothing compared to what we saw last year.
10:14:53 Next week we do have our workshop to finalize Our severe weather sheltering plan is what we're calling it, which will address pooling, heating, i'm as well as clean air and
air quality issues
10:15:06 and shelters to to help folks get out of the smoky i'm really degraded air quality like we saw 2 years ago, and so we will be holding that workshop with partners and finalizing
that plan and we'll be
10:15:17 happy to talk here with the Commissioners about the outcomes of that planning process, but also I do know that there are several concern citizens who have listened to the Bocc.
10:15:28 Regularly and have written in i'm gonna encourage those folks please do reach out to me or my office directly. that workshop isn't going to be open to the public.
10:15:37 But i'd be happy to solicit feedback from you directly, as we look finalize this plan because we want to make sure we're we're properly supporting our citizens supporting those
in need and
10:15:50 so we want to make this as a collaborative process both with all of our response partners and the public. They don't hesitate to give me a ring.
10:15:55 Shoot me email as we look finalize that plan. otherwise
10:16:00 Aside from the heat itself. Another reminder that we're entering summer, we're entering wildfire season.
10:16:07 Unfortunately this spring was so it was wet which all that rain i'm in all that snow.
10:16:14 That we got in the winter. Good thing overall for fire season, but things will be starting to hang out.
10:16:19 Risks will be starting to increase as Chief Black, with each chef, fire, and rescue, had noted all the the rain during spring.
10:16:26 Did foster a lot of growth and a lot of green.
10:16:31 But as that dries out over summer i'm not just means increased risk due to the increased fuel load so definitely recommend folks go to their local fire department website or
the deem website, learn more about building a
10:16:46 defensible space around your home. Learn more about on helping reduce fire risk.
10:16:52 I'm since Thursday every year there are numerous fires paused by human activity.
10:16:58 Whether it's intentional or not folks who you know don't properly really hook up their trailers.
10:17:03 We see chains dragging on the ground, throwing spark on folks.
10:17:06 Bring cigarette butt up their car windows. so please make sure you're using ashtray.
10:17:11 And I know that the commissioners I believe will be discussing the the burn band. i'm hearing just a little bit as well.
10:17:17 So now's the time as we shift away from a wet and cold spring to start thinking about heat and wildfire.
10:17:24 So Certainly his never stops. but definitely, start doing some research on my office.
10:17:29 If you have questions or need help doing any personal planning.
10:17:31 But I think this weekend really kind of kicked off a a new season for us i'm here at deem, and for their community.
10:17:40 Alright. No, that's seen in my report thanks Willie yeah.
10:17:47 The We will be discussing about burn band later this afternoon and
10:17:52 We'll be joined by our our fire Chief and our Administrator Mccaul and Mr. Macaulay. he's here with us now, but we'll take that up this afternoon.
10:18:01 But it is something to keep a close eye on going forward and take precautions when you're personally out deciding you want to have a campfire, or you know, before before you
are we under the regulations of a burn band
10:18:16 you know. Just be cautious, so can't say that enough Napoleon just reminded me.
10:18:26 The burn man is at 1130 so it's the next one. The next items this morning can I just thank you, Willie, for I guess, being responsive, and having this workshop on severe weather
sheltering and and all this I think
10:18:39 it's it's appropriate and I appreciate appreciate the responsiveness of deem and addressing that.
10:18:45 So thank you, no, absolutely. And I think you know there are things that we're talking about in this workshop that our community partners have been doing for a long time specifically
on the the warming center front whenever it would
10:18:57 get Junior would get too cold i'm in winter for our vulnerable populations.
10:19:03 Specifically our our homeless population. but you know these heat events are new as well.
10:19:06 So this is i'm kind of a combination of these ongoing responses.
10:19:12 Some things that are new to us. due to climate change.
10:19:16 That you know, they're kind of a emergent trend so you want to thank all of our community partners for having supported these causes for so long.
10:19:24 I'm being flexible to to meet new needs and new challenges as we're all navigating kind of a new era where we're the the weather is so unpredictable and so extreme,
10:19:36 we're needing to be flexible as a group here, hey?
10:19:40 Yeah, i'm curious with the the anticipation of an ongoing lamenia year, and potentially another winter is that scale back the the perceived threats of wildfire or extreme temperatures
this year or
10:19:58 what's kind of the best prediction right now on what we can expect this summer.
10:20:04 Yes, so we are expecting Warmer summer later.
10:20:10 So we're looking august september and once those fuels dry out or to see a little bit of an increased wildfire risk during those later summer months.
10:20:20 But specifically, you know one thing that we're kind of quickly learning about climate change is that there are climate predictions out there.
10:20:28 On the whole, so we can kind of have a bead on.
10:20:32 You know what the aggregate weather will look like but as we've seen these extreme weather, events, whether it was the the the heavy rain on in early June versus this recent
heat.
10:20:43 Event. are more unpredictable so in aggregate. We are expecting warmer later in the summer, and then those increased fuels drying out.
10:20:53 We'll we'll see a little bit of a heightened wildfire risk, but in terms of these extreme weather events. we the only thing we can't expect is the unexpected with continued
logging again
10:21:05 that additional rain is good in mitigating wildfire risk.
10:21:07 Earlier in the season. but if we're experiencing ongoing warmer temperatures in the summer later in the season like where it works, and that may end up kind of biting us in
the end so as I said I think
10:21:21 wildfire risk isn't particularly high right now, we're looking to be relatively okay through July.
10:21:26 But continued continued warm summer i'm later, in the season that's when we're we're gonna be most concerned about the risk I ask a follow question on that I I mean with the
heat dome that happened right around this time last
10:21:39 year. I remember one of the precipitating causes was the lack of Wildfires right?
10:21:43 Because you have clear skies, and no diffusion up there and i'm just wondering, alright, like our heatdoms being predicted as part of I mean is that something that we can predict
at all.
10:21:54 At this point It seems like it was new to me that's a really good question, and i'll have to to follow up with our partners at the national weather service.
10:22:03 I haven't heard anything from them on that quite yet.
10:22:08 But I can't speak confidently as to their thoughts at this point in time, so let me let me touch base with them and see if they're on track with with that line of thinking.
10:22:22 Thank you. Any other questions for Dr. Bell that that Dr. Barry, or will events this morning, sometimes.
10:22:30 I wanna call you Dr. Bins the the doctors the good doctors.
10:22:34 I think it's happened once 3 years so yeah Well, thank you guys for being here with us this morning, and answering so many questions from the community.
10:22:45 Looks like Kate has her hand up. Yeah, just 3 wanna confirm.
10:22:48 Next week, Tuesday, because it's the Fourth of July, being on Monday, we will be meeting on Tuesday.
10:22:54 The fifth. Does that do? We need to move a little bit later Again, on Tuesday, the fifth, Dr.
10:23:01 Barry, I think actually, we can do 9 45 this next Tuesday that should be just fine.
10:23:07 Okay, Great So for those of you listening who are wondering how to catch catch up with us next week, 9, 45 next Tuesday instead of next Monday and happy Fourth of July.
10:23:17 Oh, and Dr. Br. could we also put in a plug for Board of Health?
10:23:21 Oh, yeah, sure for the for the border cost meeting, or for joining the Board of Health. I think I can't remember which of us was supposed to promote that today.
10:23:30 But so yes, we still have. we are expanding our Board of Health, and we are hoping to, get an additional member from the community, particularly a community member who has experienced
experienced utilizing public health services which can
10:23:46 be a really broad category. We would really love to have more more input from the community on the board.
10:23:54 So if you're someone who you know religiously tunes in the Kptz because you really care about the health of your community, I would strongly consider applying for the board.
10:24:06 We meet once a month and you can have a major role in the decisions being made in your community around the health of that community, and in raising issues that may or may not
otherwise come up before the board.
10:24:21 And then there's some specific criteria for the 2 roles.
10:24:23 We're trying to fill it. encourage folks to look at the Jefferson County Public Health website.
10:24:27 It's right on the front page, you can find more information and John, and that Psa.
10:24:35 And you guys. Okay. Well, we'll Look forward to seeing you next Tuesday, July fifth, at 9 45, and stay cool.
10:24:45 Stay safe for the next week, and what's up for those fireworks.
10:24:52 Do we want to take a 5Â min break before our 1030 workshop?
10:31:49 Okay, Hmm. I'll go ahead and start av capture hiding great
10:31:58 So calling us back and telling us back into order. we are going to be joined by our esteemed colleagues from the department of Community Development as well as cap to talk about
a pathway to permanent support of
10:32:19 housing for the casual brown village. and there will be an opportunity for public comment in this period.
10:32:26 So as we're going along if you feel moved to make a public comment, or have a question raise your hand, and we'll get to you when we're done with our discussion.
10:32:36 Who's gonna t this one up is It You brent reserve that conversation until our later agenda item.
10:32:51 And just talk about this at this time. Okay, so we will be sure to have public comment on that item as well.
10:33:00 Brent. Are you tain this one up, or dol
10:33:09 Go ahead and share my Powerpoint. Yeah, I think you have share screen ability great.
10:33:16 Thank you.
10:33:22 You got the av capture going. Brett
10:33:32 You got the av capture going, Brett: Okay, there you go. Good.
10:33:46 I wanted to thank everyone For someone. someone still has av capture running.
10:33:52 Think it's you brent because you're the only one
10:34:07 We lost Brent he'll come back
10:34:20 Joey, we're sharing your screen and now we went off, hey?
10:34:23 He probably had an untimely restart like I did twice this morning, cause he he was out for 2 weeks, and I probably didn't have his computer on the whole time
10:34:40 Brent come back. Yeah, The restart takes a few minutes.
10:34:46 Okay.
10:34:51 Well, I guess we are in a holding pattern until Brent returns.
10:34:55 Okay, I have the Powerpoint up on my screen if you wanna with me, and then we could switch back to Brett. That sounds good, Joel.
10:35:03 Thank you.
10:35:20 Okay, I'll just lead off with the cover We can't see it yet.
10:35:27 Green button at the bottom zoom window.
10:35:39 I have to get back to zoom here. Here We Go Oh, there's .
10:35:49 Thank you. Commissioners and board account commissioners and chair.
10:35:56 Am I coming in a lot of clear? Yup: Yeah. Can you?
10:36:00 Can you on a slide show? Nope.
10:36:11 Brent, Can you show your screen?
10:36:21 Do it right now
10:36:30 Just as it Okay, got it? Okay.
10:36:42 Sure.
10:36:46 Okay, thank you. Chair. Members of the Board of County Commissioners and the general public. I believe the slide shows available for everyone to see.
10:37:00 Is that correct? our presentation presentation today? Well, I just first wanted to thank only cap.
10:37:11 For being here. we do have an opportunity for them to share their plans in some of the slides, and I also wanted to acknowledge our planning manager, Josh Peters and our lead
Joe
10:37:26 Peterson, who will accompany the discussion and that's substantive.
10:37:36 Elements. Our presentation today is really broken up into 4, 4, 4 parts.
10:37:39 First the background and and as always we wanna make sure that we understand we're sure that the community understands why we're here.
10:37:51 What brought us to this juncture, and then we also wanna make sure that the community is aware.
10:37:56 The previous discussions that have occurred with the border.
10:37:59 This topic, and then we're going to discuss the pathways
10:38:06 Some of these pathways have been formed by the project proponent, and then others have been informed by the Board of County Commissioners as well. well.
10:38:16 It's common, but and then questions and finally next step.
10:38:24 So at our discussion that we last had on a parallel topic which was the temporary housing facilities.
10:38:37 We share with the community. So i'm pretty astonishing facts
10:38:44 The most significant fact that I saw that was new was that the one Washington center for real estate research which is, really identified by the State Legislature as the resource
for documenting statistics related to affordability They
10:39:04 identify that we had the lowest inventory in the first quarter 2022 that we've ever, at at least since they've published the record.
10:39:15 So what does that mean for us as a department? that means that And for you, as a community member, it means that if you're trying to buy a home, you're finding that there are
fewer homes available for you to
10:39:29 purchase. And so what that means is that you're gonna be looking at other alternatives.
10:39:37 Typically other alternatives is one you see what's for sale where our land that's partly why we have such unprecedented a demand for our services.
10:39:51 Right now because of this really shortage and inventory.
10:39:53 And then, secondarily, because the prices are higher, your mobile user hire, and consequently the ranch star.
10:40:02 And this really goes into some of the critical crisis. If we have higher rent. branch that are not affordable to local community members. It leads to more precious for those
service.
10:40:18 Providers that we're lucky to have like a with Cap to provide her support services to cover the rent that community members needs, and so forth.
10:40:26 We might recognize that there's been a doubling of our meeting and value home from 2016 to 2022, cool, critically relevant when looking at housing before Bill, and then what
really precipitated
10:40:43 the immediate crisis was the Covid 19 addictions and a moratorium on the Covid 19 pandemic.
10:40:54 Excuse me; and then, as a consequence of that, the more Tory Monte nations.
10:41:00 And so we saw that we had a crisis situation at the fair grounds.
10:41:06 There's a picture here that shows the fair amounts and that many of the community members were concerned that we we had this on the house population.
10:41:16 That had established without meeting rules or regulations in place in the short.
10:41:22 And so we have seen, and I wanted to thank the
10:41:26 Some of the clarification that came in. I think Barbara Mori clear up.
10:41:32 Why the point in time count for a specific year was off the charts, that it was really a impact of the community being actively involved in ensuring that we that an accurate
count that one year.
10:41:45 And so what that means is that those other years are are not outlines or back here was not an outlier that what we're seeing is is like most likely, and under count of those
that are on house in our community in our
10:42:00 previous discussions. we first went to the the the had a discussion about site control for a casual brown village, and so we're gonna ask the the proponent to just talk about
the phasing and we'll
10:42:16 defer that to them. But that was the the first really discussion.
10:42:20 That the board has April eleventh, with Dcp.
10:42:25 Was invited and participated, and Then we had that was continued to April eighteenth, and
10:42:32 That was a continuation of that discussion, and we were looking at What are the vehicles?
10:42:37 What is the pathways there? Should we have a sale of of the land? And I have to say that the the county administrator made a really amazing, and the board in acquiring those
30 acres for that for this purpose.
10:42:53 and so as well as other purposes. likely. and so
10:42:58 There was a really limited discussion about what are the benefits of leasing the site versus sale of the site.
10:43:09 And so those were our our initial discussions, and we had really, when they look at the pros and cons of those different approaches.
10:43:22 And then on may 20 third we had a draft of the temporary housing facilities ordinance of workshop, and that workshop.
10:43:31 Really we were looking at. What are the pathways to?
10:43:36 Move the temporary housing facilities on forward.
10:43:42 But we also identify some pathways. for accommodating a permanent site.
10:43:47 And so So these are sort of the the public discussions.
10:43:52 That have occurred before the Board of County Commission. So
10:43:58 I was hopeful that maybe one of the Project proponents would be wanted to discuss the plan that we have here on the on the site.
10:44:09 If not, Joel would be willing to step up to the play
10:44:17 Kathy, I don't know if you if you wanna step in, or or what me to mention a couple of different things.
10:44:22 So I I I'm Cherish Cran miller, the executive Director of Olympic Committee action programs, and with me as Kathy Morgan, our director of housing and community Development and
So this
10:44:34 is the site location off of Mill Road, and it is a county owned property.
10:44:42 The county purchase the 5 parcels and You'll see there where the initial phase is located is is the north to the northwest site a little bit darker there on your screen, so
that's where we
10:44:57 initially moved folks really within a less than 30 day time line.
10:45:03 From the time that the county you know took purchase of the property to us, getting those for the fairgrounds a majority of whom yeah, we're willing to transfer over and adhere
to the the rules and regulations set
10:45:20 forth being part of this open shelter concept. So that is what we refer to, you know, as the phase one initial staging area, and that has had to adhere to all the rules And
regulations put forth by the temporary
10:45:36 ordinance. that was initially put forth by the county.
10:45:41 So below that south of that the larger square that you see, there is is the actual permanent site, and we're calling that phase 2, and phase 2 a of that is really about bringing
all the infrastructure and
10:46:00 utilities necessary to be able to move everyone from currently phase one down to phase 2, and being able to open up more space.
10:46:11 So right now we have about, you know, 25 people representing, you know, roughly, 1817 spaces.
10:46:21 Campers are these tents, and so moving those folks down to that phase.
10:46:30 2 site means the phase. 2 site will have water running water that's from the city has septic installed has electric
10:46:40 We will be able to have our shower trailer up and running so that these folks will finally have access to showers.
10:46:50 That's you know. Probably one of the biggest things and and we continue at this time to use port Portapolis for toilet facilities.
10:46:59 So phase can I interrupt the showers are coming soon. right?
10:47:04 What's what's the what's the timeline on the showers.
10:47:09 Well, we're still hoping I think for for August. if if if July August may be depending on you know trenching and money, so so we're Still, you know 400,000 short
10:47:22 roughly to make our phase to a plan feasible.
10:47:30 So it it could be could be July. I mean, things are going pretty well.
10:47:35 So, Kathy, I don't know if you have a feeling of that.
10:47:38 But think by the end of July we'll have the share of trailer up and running down on phase 2 I know and so that'll get us to be able to move folks down there and allow
10:47:56 us to open up to potentially 40 slots. for for individuals.
10:48:03 Which is good because we have people you know wanting to come onto the site.
10:48:09 They feel it's a safe place to say that a place that has services available.
10:48:13 And so for folks that are out in rvs or cars out in the community currently we know that they're waiting potentially to come onto this site phase to be of that village plan
entails building the
10:48:29 congregate facilities necessary for the ongoing usage of that site, so that's a congregate facility that has laundry bathrooms, shower facilities, and like a living meeting
room area
10:48:45 right. So instead of using like large hunting tents like we've been doing, it allows for s space for people who are using this open air shelter, whether they're in tech or what
intense Rvs or campers it
10:49:00 allows them to have access to again. shower minor kitchen stuff
10:49:09 And so you can see there sort of the face to be what that Commons building would look like.
10:49:15 That would include Those various services available phase twob also would allow us to potentially have, instead of just tense, because tents are just.
10:49:27 Did not hold up well through the winter. looking at the sort of wood, intense or wooden shelters that some of our community members of community build have been putting together
right.
10:49:41 So those are places where people can sleep store their personal effects.
10:49:45 But they don't have any kitchen or bath facilities in them.
10:49:47 So that's why we call them shelters or what intense. And those would allow those folks who don't have campers or Rvs a space of their own and would in the long run actually
for operational cost be
10:50:02 cheaper than us current currently replacing tents all of the time.
10:50:07 So just you know something more substantial for for this population.
10:50:15 So that would finish out. phase 2 B so then that leaves phase, one empty right?
10:50:21 So that's where phase one then becomes phase 3 of potentially building our congregate sheltering facilities that would replace our current emergency slash, permanent supportive
shelter that we currently have
10:50:46 you know. Again I remind folks when I say like permanent supportive, you know, sheltering or housing what's permanent is the services and utilities that are in place.
10:50:54 Not the people necessarily themselves. So the congregate facility that we're looking at putting an application in for would include individual bedrooms.
10:51:04 In space, but in a congregate setup for the kitchen back, showering facilities. This reduces overall operational costs, and our ongoing monitoring costs potentially one side
of that would be
10:51:18 emergency right for folks that are utilizing emergency sheltering for less than 30 day period, or for extreme weather, and the other side would be supportive housing.
10:51:30 So for our folks that have been saying potentially for years in our shelter, they would continue to live there and have on site services, knowing that you know them moving on.
10:51:44 You know, may not happen, or if it does, it might be like a nursing facility, or some other type of facility.
10:51:51 But that they have you know, permanent supports in place there at the facility and overall we're allowed to then be able to serve more people, and do that at a lower cost overall
for our county, and and
10:52:06 city to have those services on site and to be able to utilize.
10:52:11 You know the best use overall this land there is some slope in this land.
10:52:16 It's very sandy so you know but we're staying, you know.
10:52:20 Set back from the trail and keeping natural vegetation barriers in place, which I just think is is fantastic, not only for the residents and the staff, but also for the larger
community still utilizing these spaces that's
10:52:36 a quick rundown of that Anything I Miss Kathy, you wanted to add in just a couple of things.
10:52:43 So in our face. 2 there'll be 40 slots but we'll be able to accommodate up to 50 folks.
10:52:51 I know there's a lot of families that want to get into this space that have children and get out of their cars and places not meant for human habitation. so so we'll be able
to accommodate
10:53:04 that, and when phase 2 b comes in and we have the permanent central services, we'll also have not just the kitchen and the restrooms and showers, but we'll also have laundry
facilities for folks which
10:53:20 will be very it'll alleviate a lot of folks trying to get into the other places.
10:53:29 So. that! And I just wanted to mention that as cherish is talking about you know, combining all these different spaces for all these different populations, the populations themselves
are their own little community, and so they would rather all be together.
10:53:47 On one site because it's their own they trust each other.
10:53:54 They know each other. it's a small community and so it just makes sense versus doing a scattered site.
10:53:59 And dispersing them throughout the community. So those are the only things I just wanted to add.
10:54:05 Everything else. Chairs did a really good job. Thank you. Kathy, Thank you, Chair.
10:54:10 Thank you so much, so I'm gonna pass the baton up to Joe Peterson on July.
10:54:16 You There, I am here. Thank you. Rent this slide.
10:54:23 Is going to describe a couple of areas, of discussion that we'll have first, the support of housing that's in only caps phase, 2 B and 3, and then we'll talk a little bit about
planning issues
10:54:37 that are occurring around the casual brown village and include casual brown village.
10:54:43 We would call a suburbia plan next slide so the primary question that we're bringing to the board today is, what type of permit path would we use for permitting the facilities
that only cap has just described been working
10:55:04 with oly cap and we've met a couple of times talking about their project and comparing our planning process and permit process, and we're trying to dovetail the 2, and so that
we can be in step with the
10:55:19 planning of only capsule also and we've come to the point where we need to decide how the permit process would work.
10:55:31 We do have 2 different choices that we've discussed with the board.
10:55:35 Briefly in the past session. may 20 third and that is the The first would be an essential public facility, which is legislatively adopted by the board.
10:55:47 It's a type 5 permit process, that includes the planning commission, and has public hearings at the planning Commission and possibly at the Board of Commissioners level as well.
10:56:01 And then the other would be the public purpose Facilities, which is a conditional use.
10:56:07 Permit that it is brought to the hearing examiner for the hearing Examiner decision.
10:56:14 We call that a type 3. Comparing these 2 paths, we see the essential public facilities.
10:56:22 Could take a little bit longer than the for me to get as a public purpose.
10:56:26 Facility. When we look at the difference in time frames it is, it might be about a 3 month difference.
10:56:35 We also, in the last week's meeting when we were adopting the ordinance for temporary housing facilities discuss this, and we thought, Well, is there a new process that can
be defined that would be somewhat of
10:56:51 a conditional use. But the decision made by the board of county commissioners we call this defining as new process.
10:57:00 We don't know what we would call the type and the timeframe for doing that would be much longer.
10:57:06 It could take a year to do that in order to amend the unified Development code, and then apply that new permit type to the project in question.
10:57:17 So it doesn't present itself as a an attractive option. So for our purposes today, we recommend focusing on the 2 options.
10:57:28 Essential public facilities or public purpose. Facility in looking at the definitions of the 2.
10:57:35 They're a lot of overlap and there's really no right answer.
10:57:40 An essential public facility is typically thought of as a difficult to site.
10:57:45 Examples we have would be correction center or an airport.
10:57:52 But it's not limited to that it could be smaller developments, but the the needs, or that it has to be essential public facility, and that in its pathway that provides for those
areas those kinds of
10:58:09 facilities that are difficult to site a public purpose. Facility, an example locally might be the Jefferson transit at 4 corners. that was permitted through a type 3 hearing
examiner process.
10:58:26 It also is on rural residential land, and was permitted through a conditional use.
10:58:30 Permit public purpose facilities that we identify with around the county would be like the public works, gassing areas or equipment areas.
10:58:43 It may be a number of public facilities that are used for public purposes.
10:58:51 So there's There's a lot of overlap but i'm just wanted to help with the definitions that there's no right answer.
10:58:58 Oh, next slide! if you would
10:59:04 Yeah, Oh, okay, that's that's good let me back up a little bit here.
10:59:09 And cover the sub area, planning process we were looking at the timing of a sub area plan with a length of time that it takes to do a sub area plan.
10:59:25 And we were thinking about what type of items would need to be incorporated to address this area.
10:59:30 There's about 10 of them on my list so i'm gonna go through them briefly, and not spend a lot of time with them.
10:59:36 But there is a proposed round about by washdot at the corner of Mail Street and highway or stay around 20
10:59:44 There's also some limited entry issues to iron out on highway.
10:59:52 20 business development there would slow down traffic flow. If
11:00:01 If we had individual highway connections we might want to talk about frontages for access on State route.
11:00:06 20. Of course there's the casual bring on village plan to incorporate.
11:00:11 We're also looking at Evans vista which is the city property near the health and human services building, where they're planning.
11:00:20 On developing some market rate housing and some affordable housing and talking also about city port towns, and possibly annex in nearby areas.
11:00:35 And even the Glen cove discussion that's been in our history between the county and port town of City.
11:00:45 Looking also at contingency plans. What if the meal had closed?
11:00:47 What would happen with that property, And how does that fit in to the development of this sub area?
11:00:53 We were looking at social justice and equity considerations for the neighborhoods that would be developed in this area.
11:01:00 Are there environmental issues? Is there a food access issue?
11:01:06 Medical services and other services, are they available and or proximal to this area or transportation available?
11:01:15 We were looking at a possible future mixed use development or the income development, walkability and connectivity, or creating a affordable housing overlays zone.
11:01:28 So there's a lot of different planning topics to discuss that involve this area.
11:01:34 So gonna ask you talking about the that one aspect of
11:01:40 Some we call it you said mixed income but one of the terms of our is the missing middle and we're hearing that a lot that we, having this missing middle and that there's been
some pretty powerful presentations
11:01:56 graphically of how you can create housing. Oh, okay.
11:02:04 Up to 30 dwelling units per dwelling acre that really looks like almost looks like a single or a family zone.
11:02:12 It doesn't look out of character and so and we have a visualizations of that the bubbles different types of fourplexes that could be incorporated to create up to 30 I see even
as
11:02:33 high as 33 dwelling units per acre.
11:02:36 So I just wanted to make sure you're aware of that that and
11:02:42 And if the Board of County Commissioners has an interest, I would almost recommend that they take a look at this wonderful presentation.
11:02:50 That's available on planet planet planet called the missing middle.
11:02:57 And it really talks about all of that aspect of of housing that is been not created by the market. But that addresses some of the issues that I've heard presented. and It might
be something that you would like to look at as
11:03:16 Well, this is a lot of information and a lot of examples, and it also has applicability to the urban growth area the proposed one, for Port Headlock gives you some background.
11:03:30 What could it look like these different types of densities?
11:03:34 So I just wanted to to share that with you. Thank you, Brent, for including that at this point.
11:03:41 So that's a good point about How we would look at the land in casual brown village, or the the county properties, and what their potential could be.
11:03:52 So again the subway planning would take quite a long time. But we're thinking that we could do something of somewhat of a first phase plan.
11:04:02 Looking at casual brown village and first phase of a sub area plan and just do some site planning, and just to ensure we're not precluding future planning items that might come
forward and that would allow
11:04:19 us to be sure that we're incorporating some of these other related ideas of this area, and how they would fit into the development of this site.
11:04:29 I I I also wanted to thank the Holy Cap because they I enjoyed that. they had shared this concept of how to mix some housing types in there.
11:04:39 So just really wanted to thank, oly Cap, for putting that the idea forward. So just to recap, quickly the essential public facilities that type 5 we would have planning commission
involves, and then they bring their recommendation to the board
11:04:56 and type. 3 staff brings a recommendation to a hearing examiner for a hearing examiner decision, and that's where we are with wanting some feedback from the board.
11:05:08 On what permitting direction we might need to use. Thanks, Joe.
11:05:18 I see Commissioner Dean has her hand up yeah sure i'm, wondering if you can or brent go back.
11:05:28 One slide the pathways slide and help me Understand? Sorry.
11:05:34 The the one that was supportive housing yeah it's a very planning
11:05:39 So. W. What What kind of pathways are those? I understand that previous pathways were talking explicitly about zoning and land?
11:05:49 Use. but what is, and I know it's so very planning but what? what is the pathway related to supportive housing?
11:05:56 Yes, I i'll guess that so that's as we know the American Legion Hall is not going to be available in the future for a shelter, and all the camp is picking up that part and incorporating
it into their
11:06:07 site plans for a temporary housing facilities. shelter services, and then permanent support services.
11:06:15 So we've gone through the ordinance for temporary housing facilities.
11:06:21 How we might site and plan, and incorporate those those conditions of approval for one thing is, there was a some areas of concern that I heard from holy Cap and really wasn't
really concerned.
11:06:41 but really really helped frame my understanding of it about they are serving different populations. and and it was really a powerfully stated, and I think and so I just wanted
to point that out for those in the community that are watching I didn't know if it
11:07:01 was a already a decided fact that it's going to close and so.
11:07:05 But I I do recognize that it does serve a different population.
11:07:10 So. if you wanted to digress just for a minute to allow only Cap to discuss that or share that. it it would be good opportunity.
11:07:23 I certainly, Kathy or Jared, do you? 1, 2 to that, thought Kathy.
11:07:33 Do you want to talk about that population you've been serving them the longest.
11:07:37 Well, there are a lot of different populations within this group of folks that you know.
11:07:43 They're not all the same. they're all different the ones that we have currently down at the shelter that are there.
11:07:52 Mostly are elderly they're over 60 they're they're retired. Some of them business professionals retired, but just for some reason just need extra support can't get into a housing
facility
11:08:07 that they're comfortable with that they could afford so they choose this as their retirement.
11:08:14 Sad to say, who would want to choose a emergency shelter for retirement?
11:08:21 But nonetheless, we have the majority of the folks that are down.
11:08:23 There have been there for several years, and they are elderly.
11:08:28 And they're very very vulnerable so that's the one population the population that we're serving currently at the open air shelter.
11:08:37 These are folks that are in phase one these are folks that have been in the community for years, and years, and they've been out on the fringes. they've been living off the
trails they're the ones who have those
11:08:55 rb's or or campers around town that you know have lots of step around them. they don't want to go into the shelter because they cannot be within 4 walls.
11:09:03 I mean it's just too confining for them and their mental health and or drug addiction.
11:09:08 Is just it. They can't be in those spaces So, having the face one they realize this is perfect for them.
11:09:19 It gives them their own space. It gives them their own place Yet it's still community, and it still has a lot of support for them.
11:09:26 For face 2 b and face to a once. we open that up to all populations.
11:09:35 We have a lot of families in town that just literally cannot afford housing, and these are working families with school age.
11:09:42 Children. they're also living on the fringes right now, and you will never see them.
11:09:47 You will not capture them in the point in town count because they don't want anybody to know but they want to be able to come in because they realize this is a safe environment
that they can be in until they're able to find
11:09:58 housing. So really, those are all the different populations. that you have that right now.
11:10:08 They kind of hang together. when they're together outside of where they're living, and so having them all together, and one spot gives them a sense of community and safety.
11:10:22 So those are the different populations. church. Did I miss anything?
11:10:27 No, I you know I I think you know, recognizing that.
11:10:31 Yeah, I mean a lot of these folks have co-orbid conditions, right?
11:10:34 They, we take a trauma andinformed approach towards those that have suffered from trauma.
11:10:43 Abuse substance abuse that maybe now has long term mental health effects.
11:10:48 Those with you know, mental health issues, and so that onsite support and monitoring.
11:10:59 Is is critical to keeping these folks housed in a way that's viable for them, right? And so you know when when people say, Well, yeah, we're gonna transition them to something
else.
11:11:10 Well for some of these folks. they they are not going to.
11:11:14 Transition like this is This is the the the best that at this stage, you know, they can manage in life, and that might mean something different, as maybe they age or become
sober.
11:11:27 Or you know all those things. but being able to provide all those services is is really necessary.
11:11:34 And Yeah. recognizing that, Yeah, we serve more than just an emergency shelter.
11:11:41 It really is. Folks that you know, have been there some time and and do need help almost daily.
11:11:46 So, thank you, and I know we're still answering Commissioner Dean's question, but I just felt that the context that that this is a pathway that may not meet or address every
all of the unhouse
11:12:00 populations needs. So I just wanted to make that point. Joe, please go ahead and continue on that response.
11:12:08 Oh, just a close that this is part of the continuum of care We're moving beyond transitional housing into more supportive housing.
11:12:16 So we need a permit process that addresses that when we're doing developments that have a number of permits that are required.
11:12:28 We take the highest level permit first, and in this situation a essential public facility would be permitted through a especially use.
11:12:39 Permit, and that special use permit can include all of the.
11:12:43 There are conditions in the special special use permit that are taylor towards conditional use, criteria that we find in our code.
11:12:54 But we also can pull in all of the temporary housing facilities, ordinance conditions, and permit it all under a special use.
11:13:00 Permit. So we are looking at more than 10 temporary housing or cover housing facilities that of our ordinance that we pass.
11:13:11 We're looking into more permanent structures and and doing additional permitting for that.
11:13:17 I hope that answers your question could I ask for some clarification.
11:13:21 So it's the the the supported housing pathway that is a a planning effort.
11:13:27 We need to do to ensure that we have a permitting Catholic for all of the different housing types along the continuum of care Is that accurate?
11:13:38 Well, we might find that the specific housing type doesn't fit expressly with them, or code use table.
11:13:49 But we're finding areas where either a public purpose facility or a central public facility that's accommodate that type of use.
11:13:58 There are there's another way of approaching the question as well is to start out with a discretionary use procedure where we ask ourselves what is the most appropriate rubric
to permit this use within and then
11:14:17 we document. whether it's a type 3 or a type 5 or type 2.
11:14:23 We get to the same places we are today. of. these are 2 areas in our code that allow this use in this area, and these are 2 ways: they can be permitted.
11:14:34 The first the type 5, if allows the board to be the decision maker and the type 3 is the hearing examiner as the decision maker.
11:14:43 So that might be a part of your consideration of what you would see as the appropriate permit path, and just one more.
11:14:51 Follow up unlike the previous slide, that type fiber type 3 is is the the
11:15:03 Sorry you can go back to the other slide. Is it supportive housing and sub area planning?
11:15:10 It is mutually exclusive. Or might we decide that both are needed?
11:15:16 They are. There are 2 issues that are separate issues in a sense.
11:15:23 We're talking about we're bringing the question to the Board today, about how to permit support of housing.
11:15:29 And then there's this side issue of we've been discussing with the Board of Suburbia plan.
11:15:37 But we're experiencing today how big of a project that is, and what we can do now, initially within the context of permitting casual brown village.
11:15:47 Okay, and I almost say just to sort of to target that question and leave it a little more in depth, because it sounds like the continuum of care.
11:15:57 So we might be through this, addressing some of the population of the unhouse.
11:16:03 But but there may need to be a more expansive look to incorporate different areas of that continuum.
11:16:11 And so a sub area planning process could look at that more comprehensively.
11:16:18 How do we get all of these different components in here?
11:16:22 There's a really amazing example. of the rapid heat rehousing success of of the city of Houston.
11:16:32 They've been able to to to, rehouse and not put them in temporary. they're able to get them into really permanent housing. and and so there are some models out there that that
I think could help us so if
11:16:49 we have a suburb of planning, we might be able to incorporate different types of of of housing topologies that help along that continuum
11:17:06 I see Greg has his hand up as well, and we are closing in on our time for our next agenda item.
11:17:10 So wanna make room for public comment. as well so I guess i'll just ask question and save deliberation, maybe, for after we get public comment, i'm not sure how you want to
proceed.
11:17:21 But I guess I I was also confused I think like Kate a little bit about the the kind of the 2 paths that we're really being asked to choose on this this slide, and the other
one.
11:17:31 About the specific project and and this one about supportive housing and over sub area planning.
11:17:38 I think these are important things. I just want to make it clear my understanding is correct that we don't have to make this choice.
11:17:45 This choice is independent of the choice about whether we are interested in pursuing a type. 5 or type.
11:17:50 3 permit process for a specific project, and I think, am I?
11:17:54 I guess my question is, I think some area planning and the Glen Cove area is is would be a great idea, as in the Port Handlock area.
11:18:04 And you know these. but these these timelines are much longer than timelines for the other.
11:18:09 So we're I just wanna make sure we're talking systemically here, and project based on the other ones Is that correct?
11:18:22 Yes, and so we. So we sort of mix the project based being the supportive housing.
11:18:24 How do we get to the a solution for permitting this?
11:18:26 But also nestle, and that's the back within the broader planning questions.
11:18:33 And we have to be cautious that some of the border planning questions are being triggered by the proposal that we may need to look at some of these so i'd almost would recommend
that we come back
11:18:45 to the board with after we've had more time to to really deliberate and discuss with only cap, which are those planning questions that we really need to flush out first i'm
hearing from the board as a real
11:18:59 desire to look at the continuum issue. that could be one of them.
11:19:04 I I I do know that past discussions there were questions about you know.
11:19:11 So i'm always looking at the fiscal side of of the equation as well to ensure that this whatever is permitted.
11:19:19 Is something that sustains, the cycles the recession and so forth. And I wasn't I mean Greg Greg seated my question, which was, you know, we've had interest from the port headlock
community, basically
11:19:35 folks near or within the phase, one sewer boundary of doing a a sub area planning process because the planning that was done for that sewer area was done so long ago that a
lot of the people who lived there Then are not
11:19:51 there anymore. and there's a lot of new people in the community saying, what's the plan?
11:19:54 And so I know we've talked about this briefly in the past, Brent.
11:19:58 But I mean, I think that yeah, some very planning is a bigger, bigger bite to chew.
11:20:06 And there are other communities within our county that would like to see this done for projects that are underway right now.
11:20:15 So. we did have public comment listed as a part of this agenda item.
11:20:25 Are we good to move to that now? to see if there's anybody on the attendee list who would like to comment at this time?
11:20:32 And are we going to come back and I think we're looking for a potential action on on the the pathway specifically for Costwell Brown?
11:20:41 Right. so we we have a decision point but I agree that i'd love to hear from the public before we have that deliberation.
11:20:49 Yes. Can we get codification from DCD.
11:20:51 That that is what we are, you're hoping for A decision on the is such a public facility or a public purpose today.
11:21:00 Well. Oh, I I I would say that this was built more as a workshop to discuss the possible pathways, so we I didn't have the intention that we would have a a decision.
11:21:13 But but really a discussion and that we would come back.
11:21:18 Thank you. Okay, and Josh I see your hand up and I i'm just gonna oh, nope there it went down.
11:21:24 I i'm just gonna ask if there's anybody with us from the public.
11:21:29 Who would like to make a comment on this I this conversation we're having about the permanent support of housing approach that the county might take.
11:21:36 Is there anybody on the attendee list today? who'd like to make a comment at this time?
11:21:41 Please raise your hand. If so, and in the meantime let's hear from Josh Peters.
11:21:46 He's got his hand up, thank you thank you commissioner so I just wanna jump on that last point.
11:21:54 I realize that there's a lot of things to talk about and in terms of the schedule, and this particular site.
11:21:59 As Joel mentioned. We met with the proponents last week, and they showed us a schedule that included securing funding from the Housing Trust Fund and other sources, and they
have to apply by September and so
11:22:10 forth, and so on. And so, when I looked at that schedule we discussed, you know what what approval process could we work within to accommodate that schedule?
11:22:20 And so we talked about having a pre- application you know in July or early August, and we looked at the use table, and as Joe was explaining, there's the Epf. as a special use
permit type, 5 it would be
11:22:32 a capital D or a discretionary permit process for a public purpose.
11:22:37 Facility in that zone, and so we'd have to make a decision, anyway, at that point.
11:22:41 So really, I think that was just just wanted to inform you about.
11:22:44 If we just start down the permanent pathway that would be.
11:22:47 We would be choosing one of those options and moving forward.
11:22:50 So that was really schedule based, I think. and the other message was that there there have been discussion, and maybe I confuse the issue by bringing up what about this separate
plan I keep hearing about.
11:23:00 And we just wanna make it clear that, according to the schedule that was presented to us by the proponents of that particular site, it would be almost impossible to do a suburb
of plan within that time, frame so we were trying to
11:23:10 separate the issues out, and just simply say that we could start a separate blank process.
11:23:15 But it would really be like a preliminary phase just to make sure that whatever site plan was approved through the special use permit process or other process, that it wouldn't
preclude some of the larger issues under the supper.
11:23:25 your plan. I think that was pretty much intended to be the simple part of the That's just there.
11:23:30 Thanks. Thank you, Josh, for the clarity we appreciate.
11:23:32 It any i'm not seeing any hands up on the attendee list for public comment.
11:23:42 So I guess we're gonna close who's that opportunity unless somebody's fingers on the button Nope, I don't see any any cans going up on this agenda.
11:23:56 Item. Is there any more discussion that we want to do?
11:23:59 We want to figure out what the the short term pathway is for this project.
11:24:04 Great. I see your hand, you know. I I think never more than now has has has housing been an essential public facility and the support of housing.
11:24:21 I really do. I think it fits. that criteria I think I've I've certainly already staked my political capital on this project's success, and I you know I Guess I I would be willing
to I would
11:24:33 prefer the the type. 5 pathway, even though it might take a little bit longer.
11:24:36 But I don't have if the project seems more like a public facility. That's okay.
11:24:41 I guess just from my understanding of the of the definitions.
11:24:45 I think the type 5 pathway looks like the more reasonable.
11:24:52 Approach. hey? Yeah, Similarly and it's you know the stuff tails with our conversation.
11:24:58 Is it 2 weeks ago about the the temporary facilities or events?
11:25:05 That I I do believe that this this kind of decision is is political in nature.
11:25:12 The sight of of this type of facility is political in nature, and that it is the type of decision we are elected to make.
11:25:19 So I would like to keep it in the type. 5 essential public facilities round.
11:25:24 Just I mean other topic in terms of the planning.
11:25:29 I I would actually like to to let this project ripen a little bit before doing some area planning.
11:25:36 I think there's a number of larger issues that for example, annexation, for example, the the future of the mill.
11:25:45 That I think you know a couple of years we will be in a better position to be able to start thinking longer term.
11:25:52 So i'm fine with holding off on the sub area. planning and put in a plug that I would love to see that work being done in headlock as well.
11:26:02 But you know, certainly willing to engage in the housing, continuum, conversation and support want to support Really, cap in.
11:26:10 And you know, figuring out how to best address that
11:26:13 But I am a little concerned about the subway plan at this time.
11:26:18 Is the housing continuum continue on conversation something that might start at the housing fund board?
11:26:25 Or is it Could it be a workshop with the housing fund board?
11:26:29 I'm I'm just trying to figure out the best way to launch that discussion. I mean, we're already having those conversations with the housing fund board.
11:26:36 We had a presentation about the different agencies that work on on the different housing continuum.
11:26:40 I think this is a conversation that happens in a lot of different areas simultaneously.
11:26:46 Right now. you know, keep having those I don't i'm not sure if we need to start a new path at this point.
11:26:53 But I agree with all kate's comments to about you know which the area plan should come first, and the timeline of a planning here.
11:27:01 So i'm i'm in complete agree agreement on that and I feel like we've been jumping up and down for a port.
11:27:06 Had lots of very planned for a while so maybe and maybe I'm seeing Josh taken note or something.
11:27:15 But I know the community, cause I live in downtown Port Headlock has been.
11:27:20 Some of my neighbors have been asking me who we're gonna do. They don't call it a sub area plan, but you know visioning and community engagement.
11:27:28 So, and I know Brent and I have started that conversation when he came on so.
11:27:34 Is there anything else for the good of the order? We have 3Â min left to our next agenda?
11:27:40 Item, I appreciate our colleagues from Olycap.
11:27:43 Being here today I I sometimes think they must be getting tired of us but we're not tired of you guys, and we're in this together.
11:27:49 We're rolling the boat it's it's my long boat metaphor comes out again that
11:27:55 We all have to be rolling together in the same direction, and have conversations to figure out which direction we're rolling in and look at the charts.
11:28:04 So, Mr. Dean. Yeah, just I don't know if I think Brett was listening earlier in the meeting.
11:28:09 I'm. not sure who else was but you know just in the in the scared of.
11:28:13 I know that we're asking a lot of dCD right now. we are also talking about the need to really take on the short term and transient rentals issue in the county.
11:28:24 And you know that is also high priority, and I will say part of the interest in in doing that.
11:28:32 For me, anyway. Is that I think there's some potential for you know if indeed, we were permitting term rentals that they're could be some potential revenue source to help support
some of the capacity needs that we have around
11:28:46 strategic thinking with housing. so just to keep one more related issue.
11:28:53 To this already very full plates that's that should be part of the conversation as well
11:29:03 Thanks, you guys, it's screaming up to 1130 and I see some of our fire colleagues are joining us.
11:29:12 So we are. We gonna make a decision about. We need to make a motion about the type.
11:29:23 5 pathway. No? Okay. Oh, did you get the direction? you need friends? Yes, very helpful. Thank you.
11:29:33 Thank you, Commissioners. Thank you, Chair truly appreciate it, and also thank you all.
11:29:38 The cap for supporting all the needs to come
11:29:45 Okay, Thanks, you guys. So, Carolyn, we can start bringing over our fire team.
11:29:51 I see Assistant Chief tracer there, Steve Mccain.
11:29:58 Not sure anyone else is joining us to be part of this panel.
11:30:03 Raise your hand
11:30:19 Still waiting on Chief mccurn there he is and mark You're gonna see this one right right right.
11:30:33 Commissioners like I think you're aware that in 2020 and 2021.
11:30:35 There was a declared burn band by the board accounting commissioners due to increased fire risk due to dry conditions and high temperatures, and late last week Chief Black from
East Jefferson fire and rescue
11:30:52 inquired, inquired of the county where we were on a burn band for this year, which triggered
11:31:00 An impressive response by Mr. huntsucker and and and board staff to get this burn band resolution on today's agenda.
11:31:12 The fire chiefs have conferred and believed at the fire Risk justifies imposing a burn band from one July to 30 September and
11:31:23 There is a resolution for the board to consider imposing that band, and with that i'll invite Chief Mccain.
11:31:32 Assistant Chief Tracer to address the board and the general public.
11:31:37 We're regarding this proposed resolution Well, good work Commissioners Tim recurrent also the chair of the Chiefs Association.
11:31:46 Thank you for your time today, and thanks for the effortness.
11:31:50 The 2 subject met. Experts, of course, are are the the the 2 deputy down there, and i'm gonna ask Chief Savage to share your screen with you folks indulgently for a few minutes
while we show you some weather
11:32:01 I know I was shocked. A few seconds ago I felt that stories.
11:32:06 My video is not coming up, and I apologize but i'm here for you.
11:32:10 But I will Certainly, if we can share don't screen he's gonna share with you folks some weather, and I think it will surprise all of you, including you, chief tracer. on what
we saw this morning just a second ago.
11:32:22 We were looking, and there's actually a 50 acre fire in Great Harbor County from social and so would you not know it?
11:32:29 It it's time. So, with that cheese to manage i'll turn over to you to kind of show welcome to the board and chief, so that you should have screen share abilities in the Green
Button at the bottom of the screen and
11:32:42 you're still muted no you're muted thank you Commissioner, and thank you.
11:32:51 Chair. give me a couple of seconds here, and I will bring up my Come on my information.
11:33:01 Are you seeing any of this at this time? not yet.
11:33:05 Hmm! Alright, come on. You have to realize on the technologically and challenged one.
11:33:14 Nothing yet. Nope, Have you? Did you click the share screen, But not at the bottom of the screen.
11:33:20 The green button. I hit it twice now and then. You have to select the screen you want to share .
11:33:31 To click. Start sharing. There we go. So this is off of what is known as the wildfire analysis system.
11:33:41 Severe danger mapping system and right now this is East Jefferson County, and kits up Peninsula.
11:33:50 What We're looking at is the dictated weather data that used for determining fire danger ratings for our particular area, which is close to Lowland Central.
11:34:03 So what I want to say is this is interview, release component.
11:34:09 In other words, the modern energy released by a fire and a static environment, one foot square of fuel.
11:34:16 The red indicates a severe oranges, very high and and yellow, is high.
11:34:25 So if you look at this map, and this is a very dynamic situation.
11:34:30 These change daily with whether the Rh. the relative community the temperature wind speeds.
11:34:38 This all changes. It tends to trend seasonally upward, and then we hit a certain peak that will start training back down.
11:34:45 So we're on the early part of that trend However, if you look, some of the fuel conditions in our area are available for burning, and that's one of those scenarios where, with
the severity indicated here you know
11:35:03 the grass is the logging slash that we have around our area.
11:35:08 They're all gonna be quite available right now for the next several days for burning and for carrying the fire. So that's why we're talking about a progressive fire restrictions.
11:35:23 As you were we wanna stop the biggest indicator of problems. Let's see here no problem in my .
11:35:38 Here we go, share another one. This is the the Dnr dashboard, and if you look at can you see the pie chart on the left side?
11:35:52 So if you notice 56 of the 115 fires that the Dnr responded to so far this year have been debris burning in other words backyard and and logging slash burning so that's
11:36:06 why we're talking about a potential fireband. right now? is we want to look at this particular chart and say, where are our problems?
11:36:16 And that's where they are typically for us is debris burning.
11:36:21 So what we're gonna have in this particular weather pattern we got right now is hold over fires In other words, they burned 3 days ago 4 days ago, and all of a sudden they're
not even home.
11:36:32 And it pops up and burns down the hill on so That's why we want to talk about first of July.
11:36:39 That gives us that cushion as we go into late July, August, where we get into the peak of our fire season.
11:36:45 Typically mid mid-august for us, we don't have a a debris.
11:36:51 Burn that was started in the middle of july coming back to Hannes with a an east wind event or offshore flow like we've had the last few days.
11:37:02 That takes the temperatures way up and the relative to humidity's way down, and it also influences our fuel moistures, which is what this is showing us right here.
11:37:13 This is a graph chart that shows a history of several years back to 2,009, and it shows you the highs and lowest for the energy release. and the checkered.
11:37:31 So did speak line right here that's where we're at right now, and if you'll notice it went from a fairly low point here to all the way up in here and just a few days now, granted
that's gonna drop off some but
11:37:46 not a lot, and from here on out as you can see that upward trend, even as it peaks and valleys it's trending upward, so that's where we're gonna and you'll notice it goes from
11:37:56 July to Mid-off yeah september That's another reason why we're looking at implementing the the first to July the end of september burn bad because of that right?
11:38:10 There that's where we're trending and the last one.
11:38:12 This is our weather typically it's a 5 3 to 4 day, real, intense, very accurate weather. and then it gets down to that 8 to 14 day.
11:38:24 I look at that, and that doesn't tell us why we slightly cooler. But normal prescription for July is nothing. basically.
11:38:34 So when i'm looking at this forecast i'm looking at things like high tamp.
11:38:39 78, 88 relative humidities that are are low.
11:38:45 44 to 59% and then There's this baby right here.
11:38:51 Pains mid-level of a 6 high. That means a very unstable air mass.
11:38:56 If we had a fire on today with that pains index, the potential for that fire to become a very active fire is built into the atmosphere because of the hands index.
11:39:08 So that builds that potential for fire to grow rapidly so again.
11:39:14 You know we're in a kind of a transitional period because our weather really isn't that is it that dry?
11:39:24 Yeah, we're getting that. but it's not quite there so this is the desktop which carry our fire.
11:39:31 You'll notice that it's trending hard downward that's gonna continue from here on out same thing with the live moistures.
11:39:39 That's the savor right now, that's the saving grace.
11:39:43 If we have a fire and logging slash it hits the green wet moist live fuel moistures the trees and the brush, and it's gonna my apologies.
11:39:59 So again. But as as a fire, chief I'm advocating for the implementation of of right first of July, the end of September burn band.
11:40:12 Are there any questions this makes completes sense to me it's not a question.
11:40:21 Thanks for your detailed presentation. Thank you. Do you have any follow ups?
11:40:27 I do, sir, thank you it's it's weird to see the similarity of the first slide that chiefs of edit. but up there compared to the drought that we had here last summer the similarities
right now kind of
11:40:41 mirror. What we saw last year so with that the burn band is nothing new.
11:40:47 We've been doing it for quite a few years. and coming to the board, asking for assistance in this and providing you some education on what the fire season is, and how it works.
11:40:57 What weather does and whatnot. The nice thing about this proposal to you all tying into our workshop.
11:41:05 We had a couple of weeks ago working towards more better orders more better, That's good English.
11:41:10 A better audience with regard to the the burn resolutions.
11:41:15 Looking at those those color codes that we looked at a few weeks ago.
11:41:19 We can have to start educating our commute on how to use that risk.
11:41:24 Assessment from green to red, which ties into the fireworks span of of last year.
11:41:30 So we were a big proponent of it and we're looking forward to working together for that ordinance down the road.
11:41:37 Thank you. Assistant Chief Tracer. Greg, I see your hand up. and then, Kate, Thank you.
11:41:46 Thanks for the presentation. I I have no issues with the proposal about Burnman.
11:41:50 Just a couple questions. One is, i'll ask both of them and you can answer them as you will.
11:41:57 One is, does this our desired burn ban affect Fpa applications?
11:42:03 Slash burns. Basically, I mean I guess I was under the impression that we didn't have that that they were already getting and burn permit.
11:42:09 So that's question Number one and question number 2 is just what is that big salated map?
11:42:14 Look like seeing Quipper Peninsula and a lot of West Jefferson going to severe when we were just in, you know, is raining last week.
11:42:21 I guess i'm wondering what that that map looked like last week, just to see how quickly we moved from where to the severe areas of that pixel.
11:42:29 Thank you. if I could i'll take the first one and i'll leave the map issued it to chief sabotage.
11:42:35 So over the last Oh, 10 years for sure the the burn portages that we've had in place limits that land debris clearing so.
11:42:44 Yes, those slash burns and whatnot that Don talked about today would definitely hold fire and move it.
11:42:52 So yeah, preventing that from July the first September thirtieth ever take a couple of weeks depending on our weather data.
11:42:57 As for burn permits and whatnot there's only 2 fire districts in the county that issue burn permits Everything else runs through the workout
11:43:08 For Bern mentioned orca they're gonna if the county goes with a burn restriction for debris burning.
11:43:17 They're going to go with what we issue the Dnr.
11:43:22 I have not had an opportunity to discuss this with them today. I attempted to get a hold of their fire manager, but they typically buy the first of July.
11:43:32 They're not going to let anybody burn even if the fire danger is rated at a low.
11:43:39 So they're gonna go ahead with our our our band for those lands that are joint jurisdiction between fire Service and Dnr.
11:43:50 So now the pixel and map commissioner brutally a very dynamic map 3 or 4 days ago.
11:44:00 It wasn't nearly this let's see I left on Thursday. So Wednesday night most of these Jefferson County was green and yellow, so it it changed rather rapidly because of the weather,
as it's fight, so
11:44:17 the East, or the west side of the county that's mostly in red over there.
11:44:23 That's due to the offshore flow and they're very influenced by offshore flow and humidity drops over there, and they have a huge availability of dead fuel so that's the I
11:44:40 can't bring up a map from several days ago yet I'm, still learning some of this stuff.
11:44:45 This is all new from what i'm used to say 5 or 6 years ago.
11:44:51 Even so, this was just implemented in the last 2 years. Okay, Great. Thank you. That's helpful. And yeah, hearing about the collaboration cooperation with Dnr and others.
11:45:02 Great Kate, I see your hand up yeah well now i'm confused, because this one we're looking at is different than the one we are looking at.
11:45:08 A few minutes ago isn't it yeah there's someone there we go?
11:45:15 Do you know done? why it's keeps changing I got back into the map, and I didn't click on the Ercs if you get into this map on your own you have the buttons over here that will
11:45:32 change each layer. This one is fire behavior based off wins.
11:45:37 Okay, energy. As you can see, it changes the dynamics for East Jefferson.
11:45:44 The the the clumper, and and what would be port level of fire district needs Jefferson fire rescue down below for quill sea fire, Rescue and Brennan.
11:45:57 We have a very much a dynamic environment due to the winds in the slopes, and then it this one's a combination of both.
11:46:05 So. And what am I making with the Ec super, the first tab area?
11:46:12 And this is energy release component that's that one I presented to you earlier.
11:46:16 This is the one that we typically is while at firefighters we look at because of the energy that is potentially could be released out of dead for fuels, you know, logging slash
in particular that's my number one focus
11:46:30 right now is all the logging slash within the peninsula. that's where we're gonna have a fire.
11:46:37 If we're gonna have a fire over the fourth of July, Okay, .
11:46:43 Did have another question: which is which assistance you chase, or alluded to the you know.
11:46:52 Where are we with the new rating system? Would we be implementing that with this burn bad?
11:47:00 And most importantly, can you still have campfires? So with the new Burn band
11:47:12 And the rating system we have you'll have to forgive me as I hunt around in my very confusing inbox
11:47:27 I forgot where I filed it. it it would be the closed season.
11:47:34 Green campfires would be allowed in developed firepits.
11:47:41 In other words, the those ones that folks have green concrete barriers, that kind of thing as long as they meet the minimums of the national fire code, which is no overhead
combustibles, no combustibles within
11:47:56 X amount of feet of the the fire ring. typically not bigger than 3 feet diameter.
11:48:06 In other words, so your fire is kept to a small size.
11:48:09 The ability to contain the fire to that fire ring so that's not making movement underground.
11:48:17 It to where it will burn up into something that's potentially. could cause a larger fire.
11:48:23 So that would right now that's where we'd be at is that no debris burning in other words, land clearing, burning would be barred.
11:48:29 But all the other stuff that we typically would have this time of year would be still be available.
11:48:36 Under people could barbecue on the Fourth of July weekend, exactly.
11:48:43 Nothing is gonna change in that aspect now. if this all became super heavy due to red, and stayed that way for several days in a row, and it's been in the the eighties for days
of days days and rrhs during the the peak
11:49:00 of the day have dropped. the relative humidity is down to 2025%.
11:49:06 Then you would have to have a major concern and then we'd have to talk about that.
11:49:10 Then a lot of that would also play off. What the Lands Commissioner will do with State lands.
11:49:17 If he starts closing down state lands, at you know for campfires and state campgrounds, then we wouldn't need to really seriously consider what we're doing.
11:49:26 Does that make sense? Yeah, yup So this is the first step in that additional steps could be taken if conditions degrade exactly.
11:49:34 And and if you'll give me a second i'll try and find that without.
11:49:36 And then the proposed resolution it's it's the footnote to the outlines.
11:49:44 The definition of recreational fire and talks about what's allowed.
11:49:49 Okay, where is it. i'll i'll have to defer maybe chief tracers got it made a spot That's a little easier to find.
11:50:00 I don't remember what I did with it except he's driving, so we Won't ask him to pull that out operations.
11:50:12 I'm totally happy to support this you guys are the the experts here and defer to your your expertise and
11:50:20 So happy to move forward. I do have a noon meeting or hey? do you and I to talk about the new meeting actually You're fine to go the new meeting.
11:50:31 I'm i'm swamp today. cool thank you we support the plan there.
11:50:39 Pressures. Yeah, so do. I have an Someone who wants to make a motion to adopt this resolution.
11:50:47 You Wanna: take public comment first. Oh, is there a yeah? Okay.
11:50:55 So folks on our attendees list if You're here to make a public comment on the proposed burn Van.
11:51:02 Please raise your hand, using the raise hand, button at the bottom of your zoom screen.
11:51:07 I don't see anybody other than our staff line on the phone.
11:51:12 And I see a hand going up so If you're here to make comment on the proposed burn band.
11:51:17 Please use the race hand button at the bottom of the zoom screen, and we'll bring you over over in the order.
11:51:22 The hands go up, and it looks like we have Georgetown with us.
11:51:29 My testimony is short. Gilson. the band thanks.
11:51:36 George that was the shortest testimony we've ever had
11:51:44 Mark, Did you have something to add? No, I I missed what George said.
11:51:49 Go for the ban That was quick. wouldn't it Yeah, Any other folks on the attendee list wishing to make public comment on the proposed burn band resolution.
11:52:02 Please use the race hand, but at the bottom of the screen your zoom screen, not seeing any other hands go up.
11:52:13 So noting our one comment and support of the ban i'll close public comment and entertain a motion on this resolution.
11:52:24 Oh, bye carolyn alright it's an orange, and it was listed on the agenda as a resolution.
11:52:29 But it's an ordinance it says resolution on the actual document document solution.
11:52:38 Oh, you're right, thank you i'll move to approve the resolution and the matter of declaring a Jefferson County outdoor, burn band and establishment of the fire risk burn level
restriction
11:52:47 guidelines to the 2022 fire season.
11:52:51 Okay, all in favor. Alright, Hi, that is unanimously.
11:52:58 Thank you. fire leaders of our fair county. let's keep our county fair and not scorched this season.
11:53:06 We appreciate all the work you've been doing most recently on Center Valley Road at the short farm and keeping our community safe.
11:53:16 Thanks, Mujo
11:53:22 Anything anyone else wants to add for the good order on this
11:53:31 Okay, Do we wanna do a little bit of briefing or yeah, breaking before noon calendaring briefing.
11:53:38 How can about what we've been doing and what we're going to be doing?
11:53:43 Or should we break now and come back at 1 30 sounds like Kate's interested in participating in the wassack call today?
11:53:50 I am fine with that, I have a bunch of reading to do So let's see, there's something in the chat.
11:54:02 Yeah. Okay, I wouldn't mind breaking a little early yeah.
11:54:09 Just we have a minute before my noon so let's recess until 1 30 sounds good.
13:30:12 Can't hear i'll try and maybe capture
13:31:04 Bring it over, Tammy, I don't see anyone else for the next segment.
13:31:06 So raise your hand if you're here to speak about the conservation, futures recommendation.
13:31:14 Oh, there you are, David!
13:31:20 Okay, It's 1 30 i'll call us back to order for the afternoon.
13:31:25 June, 20 Seventh, 22 Jefferson County Board of Commissioners, Afternoon Session Rocking and rolling with Conservation Future Citizen Oversight Committee Funding recommendations.
13:31:41 Hi I'm Tabby Porti natural resources program coordinator for the county, and i'm here with David Sebrook, who is the chair of the Contribution Features committee and given the
short timeframe that we
13:31:52 have I'm just gonna pass it right over to him That's okay. but please let me know if you have questions.
13:31:58 Thanks. Kami
13:32:03 Okay. So I'm on can you hear me Okay, yeah we can hear you great perfect
13:32:09 Yeah, I think I hope you were able to get the letter from our packet.
13:32:15 So I won't read that in its entirety but essentially we had 2 projects.
13:32:22 That were submitted to conservation futures for this cycle.
13:32:28 Project Number one is the Rock Salmon Creek acquisition.
13:32:33 That would be it that has requested a $135,000.
13:32:37 It has excellent potential for maintaining, restoring, improving salmon habitat.
13:32:44 The second is the Quimper Trust land transfer.
13:32:49 That would transferred land from the least program that the county's currently involved with into an ownership.
13:32:57 And the the easement conditions would follow along with that, and they had requested $205,000, and because of the return of money to the conservation futures fun from Northwest
watershed
13:33:13 Institute. there seems to be adequate funding to to fully satisfied.
13:33:20 Both requests. So that is the recommendation from the Conservation Futures Committee to fund the Ruck Salmon Creek.
13:33:29 Acquisition at a $135,000, and the Quipper Trust land transfer at $205,000 either Tammy or myself, or available for any questions you might have on that recommendation
13:33:50 Kate. Thanks, Dave. Nice to see you at tammy i'm just curious.
13:33:55 Any idea why there were so few applications this year that's a great question.
13:34:02 I don't know that that has been asked tammy Do you have any insight on that?
13:34:10 Typically, the Land Trust is our main sponsor, and they often have multiple projects on the table.
13:34:18 But this year they were asked, I think it's because they were asking for sizeable amounts of funding for these.
13:34:24 Both of these, a lot of oftentimes they the requests are more, and the order of 25 to $80,000, That's my best friend.
13:34:37 Hmm! I feel pretty up to speed on both of these projects.
13:34:42 So excited to see him, both being proposed to be funded at the full app, and I mean the clever, wildlife corridor has been a project that the Land Trust has been working on
for decades in our community
13:34:57 and it's so close to the urban growth area port towns, and it's a good area to focus conservation efforts.
13:35:06 And so it's exciting I don't have any questions about either project.
13:35:11 I was gonna ask the same question. kate did I were there so few applicants applicants from last the last cycle that didn't get fully funded, or you know, didn't get funded at
all so it was surprising to
13:35:23 me, too. My other question is I mean i'm i'm pretty familiar with the the the proper wildlife one we've been talking, I think, even had a presentation from the Land trust last
year.
13:35:34 About it. but I only saw the application for the proper land trust in the packet.
13:35:39 I I just like to look through them both. I don't know if I was just missing it.
13:35:41 But the rock the salmon, creek one? Did I Did I miss it, or was it not in the packet?
13:35:47 I mean it's not critical I don't think they're always attached.
13:35:50 But i'd love to review it we'll pull that my approval.
13:35:55 I'll make sure you get a hard copy hopefully it was in generally.
13:36:00 But okay, can explain it, if wasn't but and anyway. did did Heidi, did you so? No, I didn't see it in the yeah, and the attachment do you have the the map handy
13:36:16 either day or Tammy. Just so we could just take a look at it and go over really quickly, and we have a pretty I I read through the you know, 20 page application on the other
one, and I think this I mean we were briefed
13:36:26 on both of these from the land just 2 weeks ago. Right?
13:36:29 Yeah, yeah, and I I think Yeah, they're both great.
13:36:34 I remember it's still the map I guess I wasn't positive it was this same one that we got briefed on.
13:36:38 So That's great did right and disobey like 200 acres almost that's the same right, and it's essentially about a one mile segment of salmon
13:36:56 creek there. have some Land Trust hopes to restore that to a much bigger and more effective barrier.
13:37:06 Buffer zone I should say and and therefore you know, maximizing and enhance the salmon habitat, and especially for the summer chum salmon, as I understand it's sort of
13:37:18 the go to area for or that species. Yeah, the new bridge opens it up, too.
13:37:25 So I I yeah, full and fully supportive, maybe just for the benefit of the public.
13:37:28 If we can supplement the packet with with that application too, and we'll have a hearing So that would be an opportunity for the public to take a look at that too,
13:37:45 Any other questions. I wonder, in terms of questions about just surprise to not see more applicants.
13:37:53 I i'm curious tammy, you know my work with the coordinating Council, and the pages on partnership there has been more funding available, you know.
13:38:05 For example, the lead entity projects will largely all be fundable this year.
13:38:08 To ask is actually less than the amount allocated for the identity project.
13:38:13 So I wonder if that's part of It that There are other funding sources that are currently available.
13:38:20 With the increase in in Federal funding right now. that could be a part of it typically.
13:38:26 But if the landfast and even the health Department will go to other sources of funding for the bulk of the funding, and then, once they have the 85% or whatever is available
from the outside source that comes to
13:38:38 account. Yeah, I think I saw some overlap. I saw the lead entity funded or project list.
13:38:46 We approved it last week week before last. and put you know coordinating Council, and I saw you know the Moon i'm not gonna get the name right?
13:39:02 Yes, thank you. That one on there, you know some that we have seen before.
13:39:07 So the and the projects are phase so you there's the acquisition piece.
13:39:11 But then there you multiple design basis, of course, oftentimes.
13:39:17 And then construction and conservation features only come in for acquisition typically, and then some modest operations that's been the pattern. and it looked like from your
staff report that there might be some upcoming vacancies on the
13:39:30 Committee on filling those in all of our districts.
13:39:36 You guys 1, 2, and 3. So if you know of any good conservation practitioners or people who you think might be good for this committee, you saw that that was in your staff report
13:39:57 Well, I don't think we're proposing to take action today, and what it sounds like, we're all super supportive of these 2 projects.
13:40:02 So maybe is there any? What else do we need to talk about?
13:40:09 Do you have the hearing? sure i'll do my best to schedule that in July. i'm away a fair amount in August. So but neither project is on a type timeline that i'm aware of Okay.
13:40:24 great great same time. Thanks very much for your time today. Thanks for yours.
13:40:33 That application to you
13:40:40 Okay. So the next thing on our agenda is Mark Macaulay with courthouse security.
13:40:45 Hmm. Thank you, Commissioners. we had an extensive discussion on courthouse security a number of weeks ago. and I think there there was a general consensus that how we're conducting
the screening in the courthouse
13:41:03 is, is about the best we can do, given how the courthouse is configured.
13:41:09 I wanted to be sure that the that the board agrees that there was that consensus and that's the purpose of of this follow-on workshop, and hopefully it'll be brief but so i'm
looking
13:41:24 for confirmation from the board that what we're doing is what we should continue to do.
13:41:31 I i'm also requesting permission to issue a request for proposals.
13:41:39 And a new twist would be to include the county sheriff's office in that rfp. I have had a number of discussions with Sheriff Noel, and and when we went out for courthouse
13:41:58 security. Previously Sheriff's tanko was not interested in performing that function.
13:42:04 Sheriff Noel is intrigued by the opportunity, and
13:42:08 When I was in when I was in the the military. the Federal Government had a an outsourcing program where they would take a government activity, and then they would put it out
forbid to see if they were civilian
13:42:24 enterprises that could do the work more efficiently than the government itself.
13:42:27 But the Government activity was always allowed to to bid on the work, and
13:42:38 What we found is that, when when that occurred that the work could get done with fewer resources, then
13:42:46 Then it took originally to perform those functions. And so it.
13:42:52 It may be that the sheriff can put together a proposal that would would make sense, and that would be cost competitive.
13:43:01 And you know there's a intangible there If the sheriff bids we need to consider the fact that the deputies that would perform the screening in the courthouse would have side
arms and with ammunition.
13:43:17 And that would afford a higher level of protection for the courthouse.
13:43:21 And so cost would not be the only consideration we would have to factor in the increased security.
13:43:27 That armed deputies would bring to the courthouse, and then the operations of the screening would be integrated with
13:43:36 Our chief civil deputy, Jen Warren, the courthouse, and so it it could be a combination of the 3 that work out of the third floor, plus what could be here?
13:43:47 And the staffing could fluctuate during the day, based on demand or during the week based on demand.
13:43:54 And so So that was the purpose of this workshop number one to confirm that what we're doing we should keep doing number 2 permission to issue an Rfp.
13:44:06 That would include the county sheriff's office great I see your hand up as an attendee.
13:44:16 I don't know if he's supposed to be brought over elected. and you know the department directors in the courthouse.
13:44:28 So yeah, I would invite sheriff noel to come over, and then I guess my my point is is if if the shares department was interested in doing this, should we figure that out or
the cost before an Rfp as
13:44:43 you say it's going to be hard it's going to be a little bit of apples and oranges with a different level of protective service from private versus the law enforcement. so i'm
just wondering if
13:44:52 the Rfp. is a question we address after assessing whether the sheriff's office has capacity.
13:45:00 Well, that would be an alternate approach that that would be workable.
13:45:03 Let me. The sheriff could tell us how many debuts he would need, and what that might cost, and then we could evaluate that bring it to the board for a another.
13:45:15 You know a follow on well, normally, so you can compare proposals.
13:45:19 You put out a request for proposals with the variables that you want addressed in the proposal, and then come, you can compare.
13:45:30 You know the differing proposals. yeah but we don't put out a proposal for you know floodplain mapping until all DCD.
13:45:38 Says we don't. have the capacity to do that right so it's I just i'm i'm fine with either way.
13:45:43 I guess Well, if if the sheriff submitted a proposal it would likely require additional ft. That would have a general fund budget impact.
13:45:56 But the general fund is covering courthouse security currently with the budget of a 135,000, and I would expect, if if we issue an Rfp.
13:46:09 That the cost of any future contract will increase. I see your hand up, Kate. Yeah.
13:46:17 So. Thanks for bringing this back mark i'm glad to circle back.
13:46:21 But you know I appreciate it. number of folks being involved in the couple of conversations about this our fellow elected and department directors.
13:46:32 And you know I I you have a number of thoughts so generally agree that that people felt that the system we have is working well.
13:46:39 I think there a couple of outstanding issues, and I was grateful that the sheriff and Willie Vince were willing to follow up on.
13:46:46 You know how how safe are we, how much protection is being offered?
13:46:54 Currently the folks who don't carry firearms and you know this interesting timing that we started having these conversations when you've already happened, and you know I think
a new set vulnerability was was
13:47:08 prevalent. So yeah, I think there's still that question In some ways I would like to at least start exploring that that topic. Are we? Are we?
13:47:17 Well protected before making a decision on how we want to proceed, because I think that that would inform the question of whether we go internally first to our own department
would, who very well could provide that service.
13:47:33 I think, without an rfp. but you know, if if we can make make it work.
13:47:38 And then I still think there was an outstanding feeling of the optics of of 3 people sitting at the entrance, often without a lot to do is not great, and I don't occasionally
a third person is put into service.
13:47:51 But mostly covering breaks, and I wonder if There's some added efficiencies with keeping within our our own sheriff's department, whereby there could be other work being done.
13:48:04 You know that they could be more integrated into the network, or you know, just some other work that could be accomplished while security was happening.
13:48:13 Which we don't get any of that benefit from an outside contractor.
13:48:16 It's It's often 3 people sitting around on their phone, and you know the public doesn't like to see that It's It's It's a little discouraging to see Yeah, public dollars being
spent That way so I
13:48:27 guess i'm i'm i'm thrilled to hear Joe, that you're willing to look at that.
13:48:35 And So I I think there's still some area to explore.
13:48:38 Those are the questions I would have before we move forward. so how would we?
13:48:45 Study. whether how safe, how safe are we how do we get to answers to that question! I actually haven't looked at the report that was done in 1214.
13:48:59 I started looking at it, but I Haven't done haven't got very far into it.
13:49:03 Okay, So maybe Mark Marks looked at it more closely.
13:49:05 Absolutely. Yeah, there was. There was a study done in the nineties, and then there was a follow up study.
13:49:14 I've got both of them right here follow up was done in October.
13:49:20 24, and it it found that a number of recommendations regarding security that were made in in the nineties.
13:49:27 Were we actually implemented? although not all of them.
13:49:32 I know one of the recommendations was to construct a pavilion, or something on the East end of the building.
13:49:41 That efforts i've never never been undertaken I think the principal thing is that if an armed person with an assault rifle comes through the front door.
13:49:50 There's no way. we stop that person well I mean we we dial 9, 1 one. and then how long does it take the police department to respond
13:50:03 And by that time where? where has the person gone in the building, and what?
13:50:08 What havoc? has that person reaped you can have 2 deputies in the hallway, each packing a 9 or the Joe.
13:50:17 I don't know what caliber your your deputies carry, but that would, and and then probably with ballistic vasks on
13:50:26 I think that that would seriously improve our posture security.
13:50:30 Wise in this building. Well, if I if I could just add 2, and you know one that.
13:50:39 And first of all, I want to say that I don't have this compelling desire to take over security at the courthouse.
13:50:45 But I think it should be the best that it could be, and if there's some way we could help out and contribute to that i'm all for it.
13:50:53 And and what that would look like I don't know would take all of us working together to figure out what that needs to be.
13:50:58 But I I would also say that if if you know a suspect if you want to say knowing that there's armed security at the door might think twice before doing something, whether that's
true or not I don't know but
13:51:13 but but this this isn't something that I have all planned out, you know, Mark, I've mentioned it to him before, you know.
13:51:21 If they were, it never could work out that I would like to do that.
13:51:23 I'd like to see more things in the in the county you know medical in the jail that's provided by Jj.
13:51:32 Or just keeping things to where we're all good communication on what's going on.
13:51:40 So hopefully, that helps little i'm i'm here at the service of everyone, hey?
13:51:47 I see your hand up. Yeah, Couple of things I forgot to mention, but mostly that that you know the idea of the vestibule to perform security which a number of counties have done
that at the historic courthouses and
13:52:01 you know I that. that seems like so we're really just starting to think about long term capital needs, and this building is such a big unknown And so I I have been less excited
about the idea of making a huge investment here.
13:52:20 When we, you know, could potentially be looking at a law justice center somewhere else in the future.
13:52:25 And so that that is that has not been appealing, and i'm i'm i'm fine with our configuration downstairs.
13:52:31 But I I might suggest that that maybe we have a a bit of a work group or a task force come together.
13:52:38 Someone from court, someone from sheriff's department Willie you know a group that that takes a look at Are there improvements that we could be making in the near term.
13:52:48 And then from that maybe that would help determine whether it was the you know, working with the sheriff's department to see if there was a good match there versus doing Rfp.
13:52:58 Just a a suggestion for how we might advance this because it would be good to get some input.
13:53:04 I mean I I am just certainly not an expert on this, but I I do
13:53:11 I I do wonder the level of security we're actually providing in the face of you know, the worst case scenario.
13:53:18 And do we plan for that? all the time I don't know but we certainly have a sense of vulnerability.
13:53:25 And you know, not just because our offices are the most unprotected, but because it's a huge liability to for us to have any any threat, much less lost to life
13:53:43 Great. Yeah, I don't I I think and pretty neutralized process. But I didn't want to answer Mark's question that Yes, I think we you know we're ready to move forward.
13:53:55 You know. but how? how we move forward? I guess it still seems like a bit of an open question. and and on that note What's the urgency?
13:54:04 How, how much longer does the existing contract go? If we were going to add more work December this year Oh, so we right.
13:54:11 We still have plenty of time to put a little task force together.
13:54:14 Assess kind of how hard of a target this would be.
13:54:19 And and whether it could be addressed in house I I think I mean I'm okay with kate proposals as a path to eliminating for vetting, letting internal operations.
13:54:33 First, and and really kind of having a strategy for it before we get you.
13:54:37 An Rfp. got it a strong thing I don't think it would need to be a formal staff work group, you know, which even just a couple of meetings to get with the the folks who have
been most involved.
13:54:52 You know, Matt Court super knowledgeable We've just number number of folks who are really would be really helpful to have around the table in a We We do have a courthouse Security
committee that our chief
13:55:04 civil deputy den moore she's scared those puts the agendas together, and and you know we could convene that group, and and Joe I would invite you to attend or maybe
13:55:17 andy or Prince steiner so we we can take that approach.
13:55:25 I don't I don't think there's a lot of variability in how we approach security in this building.
13:55:30 We're sort of constrained by the architecture, and and you know just simply the the physical layout of the building.
13:55:42 But certainly putting a group together and having a discussion about it.
13:55:46 I know there are some people and you know Stacy Parade is
13:55:54 I consulted her about inviting the sheriff and she thought that was a great idea, and she's on the call.
13:55:59 I don't know if she wants to raise her hand and come over as a as a panelist.
13:56:05 But i'm i'm open to that I one thing I don't want to do is have a contract expire and not have the security research in place to replace it
13:56:17 So I figure we have like 2 or 3 months at the most, to sort this out.
13:56:23 So the only the only thought i've had independently in the past cause I'm. still the relatively new one in the courthouse is how much collaboration or coordination or communication
there is between the sheriff's
13:56:37 office and our security detail out here. You know how how much collaboration there is there, and it deals.
13:56:45 It just feels naturally to me like it would be better if it was all all handled by our sheriff's office, because, you know, they're one.
13:56:54 They're one family, one unit one team and it would just be a more kind of natural communication. So I mean that's the only thought I've had independently before this conversation
like in the middle of the night
13:57:08 probably some night like how they communicate with each other so I don't know if Joe, if you have any practices with communicating with our security team, currently or if if
I I know that and maybe you already, know this But
13:57:24 Jen actually Jen Moore the chief civil deputy actually supervisors, that might want to say Yeah.
13:57:34 So when there, if there's like a personnel problem she deals, she's the go between with the company.
13:57:41 So there's yeah and if they're not you know, if they're deviating from approved procedure. she also intervenes when that happens, and I would also say that if there was a way
that I
13:57:51 could just send a couple of deputies up there to work.
13:57:55 We could do that. but we just don't have enough people to to do that.
13:57:59 So I like the idea keeping it all. Someone said one family or whatever?
13:58:06 Yeah. in the middle, in the military that's called unity of command, and it minimizes opportunities for miscommunication.
13:58:15 And you know other other occurrences that can go dysfunction, and I know some other agencies.
13:58:22 I know kids have for sure. You know their their security is in.
13:58:28 The courthouse is seen by the sheriff's office and and other places, too.
13:58:33 So I mean just seems a natural way that it should be but you know i'm not to out to put a private business out of business.
13:58:41 But you know we need to do as best. for us and when I say us, I mean all of us that's what I was trying to get at is just it feels like that makes more sense.
13:58:54 Well, I I would say, too, at some point in that work group discussion.
13:59:02 I think it might be be interesting to maybe pull the pretends and police into like.
13:59:11 You know we are one of those multi jurisdiction buildings where you know I mean it's it's part of what happened in you all day. right?
13:59:19 You know. there's the school officers there's the the local police. And then there was border patrol right? and you know like that, that, you know, I think we we are a bit of
a probably a bit of a target
13:59:31 regardless just because of the function that we serve in government.
13:59:33 And then throw in that there's a number of responders potentially with the city, and maybe Joe, you feel like that's totally covered in all the but protocols are are clear and
so everybody understands that but
13:59:51 It might be worth visiting. That conversation just in terms of lessons learned.
13:59:55 What have we learned? You have 400, some mass shootings in the country this year.
14:00:00 Are there. Are there lessons learned? Well, then, I yeah you're exactly right.
14:00:04 The We, the city would need to be. The police department would need to be involved, as would, you know.
14:00:10 I mean we would be there representing the sheriff sauce.
14:00:13 But our deputies would need to know too I mean and it's, you know, not really getting off subject, but you know, like with having forbid a school shooting.
14:00:22 We've trained with the police department and and and and would respond in port towns, and is just as well as they would respond out here if someone on So that would be no different
than if it was the courthouse.
14:00:33 Or safe way or whatever. But but yeah being ahead of a game it's definitely the way to go.
14:00:42 So sounds like the next step is to organize a larger larger conversation. this workshop we're talking about, Mark, Can you
14:00:58 The elected officials in in the building to see who would like to.
14:01:02 It'd be added to that group for to complete this review, and to bring recommendations back to the board, and just just to go on record, I guess you know I don't have this big
plan on my head now as well work so
14:01:19 to be relying on everyone if we do go this route to help help. We need all work together to figure it out, and I just want to report that 5 of our 6 trees, our baby trees that
we move down the road.
14:01:32 They're making it I can't look for those when I drive down Beaver Valley. But I think i'm gonna go off the road.
14:01:40 I can never find them. Yeah, anyway, they're making it 5 of them are making it.
14:01:45 That's good. Yeah, I wanna have an apple next year off each one of them
14:02:03 Great thanks, everyone. Okay. So we are gonna move on we're gonna bring a bunch of people over.
14:02:11 I think. Now, and we're gonna we're gonna move on to our discussion of ordinance number 0 5 dash 0, 0, 6, 31 deaf, 22 establishment and operation of temporary homeless
14:02:26 facilities and unincorporated jefferson county and we're going to add public comment to this item.
14:02:30 We didn't have that listed on our Agenda but we will have a public comment period as part of this agenda item. and I think it's fill up brent Josh.
14:02:41 And Joel. Yeah, Yeah, I think I think barbara's on on Pto this week, and and commissioner is this
14:02:53 The purpose of this, I think, is It it's sort of an after action review of the process that occurred I know.
14:02:59 A week ago we heard concerns from a couple of folks about the process, and how the the ordinance it was considered, and I wasn't here.
14:03:08 But during the hearing different from what was advertised, and so on.
14:03:13 And then if if their provisions in the ordinance that need to be revisited that we can identify today, that would be helpful for staff
14:03:25 So 1 one thing that wasn't clear, to me between those 2 meetings was which Commissioner is sitting closest to this ordinance like, cause I I had questions, but I didn't really
know who to address them to because it felt
14:03:44 like the first meeting that we had the there were There were some significant changes made between that and the next meeting, and I didn't really understand how that happened.
14:03:55 Was there another committee meeting of the task force or I just didn't know how those changes got incorporated into the revised draft.
14:04:10 So. and I that's kind of the it was I don't think there it was Commissioner input Yeah.
14:04:16 Free searching, please. Hmm: Okay, So who's gonna lead this one off.
14:04:26 Oh, you're muted brent
14:04:32 Oh, i'm i'm first on the list so I'll say something, even though I don't know why I'm first on the list.
14:04:39 I Just I wanna commissioners to recall and the public to recall that we were running against a deadline here.
14:04:50 For the for the temporary ordinance to expire, and that's one thing, and the second thing is when you're doing legislation in a hurry This sort of thing always happens there's
always something the third thing
14:05:05 is, I I wasn't now I had some participation in this for my office.
14:05:11 It was mostly barbara but I did, listen to the to the presentation and the discussion and I don't know how many hours you all spent editing the thing, in front of the public
So and and
14:05:32 that's what happens when you do things on the fly you edit things on the fly.
14:05:35 So. I just wanna say those 3 things to start off because I think they're all important.
14:05:41 That the last thing I I want to say unless somebody has specific questions for me is, we can always fix whatever's in there, and I just don't think there should be so much fretting
about it.
14:05:52 When we had that kind of pressure
14:06:01 Hey, Brent, we can't are you yeah you're not muted, but we can't hear you
14:06:10 Maybe well brings getting that figure that I could ask the follow up question to you, Philip, which is when, like you said doing this in in a short time frame Sometimes there
are, you know, things that are missed or
14:06:25 inconsistencies, or something that need to be corrected.
14:06:29 And I I I will say i've not had a lot of concern about this.
14:06:34 But if there are things that need to be corrected what is the process right?
14:06:38 So i'll say this I i'm not here to say that anything should be fixed at this point.
14:06:43 I'm just i'm here to support that discussion but we can just talk about what what you think needs to be fixed, or what we can talk about it, and come to a conclusion on what
needs to be texted and then it's
14:06:55 just the process of amending an ordinance it's just you know you're gonna have a hearing notice, and you can have a hearing on it, and you'll have a discussion about the changes
to fix it that's
14:07:08 simple. Am I coming in now? Okay. Good. So I I also have to say that one of the biggest sort of oversight that I realized was that I always urge just as you catch the ferry
before the last fur you need for a
14:07:31 plane, you know, if you go online the other side, I always try to ensure that we have an extra meeting in advance of the final opportunity before an ordinance.
14:07:45 You know, sunsets, and we did not calculate the June team and so that put us under a little bit of of a greater level of of Really, pressure.
14:08:01 I guess that wasn't really anticipated we had up until the meeting. We thought, Oh, we have an additional day, so that you can take public comment, and then and then deliberate,
or and then come back to the next meeting and
14:08:15 that does a couple of things that make sure that the the concerns from the public are are aired.
14:08:22 And that if there's any additional research that needs to be done, we can do that.
14:08:28 And so I think that is a good best practice.
14:08:32 Some communities have 3 meetings in an ordinance. you know.
14:08:35 Introduction. the adoption is the third final and so I I know that that in in that enactment which was really new the juneeenth, and I I recommend the Board for doing that But
that was not something
14:08:54 that we had, you know, piped into our our timeline.
14:09:00 So I So there were a couple of of things on that that were or you know, created a less time than we thought.
14:09:10 We had to to make some modifications. great. Yeah.
14:09:18 I I appreciate this opportunity to to keep working on it, and I I take your point, Philip, and I I think I tried to amplify those points too. We did have some urgency to get
this thing done.
14:09:28 And it is not written in stone, so we can keep working on it.
14:09:31 I guess, from a process perspective. what I think we could do better next time is I really especially from the planning commission to what we saw.
14:09:41 I still haven't done the analysis myself. But seeing a red line version of what's changed from the last kind of public input time is really helpful for me at least to see.
14:09:53 Okay, Well, you know, based based on the the deliberations of the planning commission, and that hearing we made these changes, or based after that staff encounter this and made
this change.
14:10:03 So, being able to see the changes is really critical, and I would have had, you know, a different.
14:10:08 The previous version would have been another way to do that but that's just I felt like I wasn't prepared enough, and that's you know I could have gone back and looked as well,
but I guess that's the root of my
14:10:19 my, I guess agreement with some of the the public comics that we've had that the process got a little less transparent than acquaintances at the end.
14:10:29 So I Still, don't know I mean like today you know Miss Santa.
14:10:34 I've talked about section 4 where shelters have to comply with Ibc.
14:10:41 And I can't find that through here even look at looking through it.
14:10:45 I don't I see that under the definitions which is section 4 at least.
14:10:49 Where it explicitly says it doesn't task to do that.
14:10:52 So i'm not sure exactly what we're talking about, or if there is even anything to fix at this point.
14:10:58 So I guess that's that's where I am right now still in an analysis, to see if we did miss anything.
14:11:04 So Kate had her hand up first. and then I see yours Josh.
14:11:10 Yeah, i'm I thought joel's presentation Did I I remember, like a slide that said these are the 2 things we changed since the planning commission like in that felt clear to me.
14:11:23 And I like a red line, is helpful but I I I don't know.
14:11:27 Am I remembering that correctly? I I thought there was like a really explicit.
14:11:31 This is what we changed, and why is that correctual?
14:11:36 Yes, there, that was on May 20 third. I think that was the previous meeting, though, Right?
14:11:45 Yeah, but that was head that was that was what had come out of the planning commission.
14:11:50 And it was presented to us with with those changes and next motion of why they were changed.
14:11:56 So I I didn't I didn't have that same sense that we were not in the loop, but that, said I.
14:12:02 And i'm i'm open to if there are substantive errors, mistakes, inconsistencies to opening them up.
14:12:12 But I actually haven't definitively seen any and I think I think the comments we got were not about that that presentation or version.
14:12:23 But it was about what happened between that presentation and the and the final session.
14:12:30 Hmm, Josh
14:12:35 Thank you, Commissioner, resin her so i'm only gonna be able to say this for so long here that I don't know what happened before that, because i'm so new.
14:12:44 But So i'll i'll play that card probably one last time the my first week of work here there was there was a flurry of action to get that 4Â min ready for the board. review on
June thirteenth and there was
14:12:55 collaboration between TCD. and the prosecuting Attorney's office to do that when I spoke to Barbara about as she mentioned, you know, having to put it into a certain Ordinance
format and so forth.
14:13:03 and so on. So I Can't really speak to all the substantive issues of of why that why I think certain things change, But I can't say that Barbara did prepare the slide that that
talked about the differences between the
14:13:16 planning commission version and the board version. So that is what Commissioner Dean is remembering is was a slide during the the presentation.
14:13:24 No, there was a lot of action going on. as as has been mentioned so enough on process that's already happened. in terms of what Phillips said about making a correction.
14:13:33 I think we could certainly do that. terms of the i've listened to the comments from last Tuesday during your meeting, and this morning and
14:13:42 There may be some more comments right here to coming up, so I think, dining into some of the specifics.
14:13:46 Certainly we could. We could listen. We had a list of things to look at.
14:13:49 That would help us work on it, and then we could come back and just do it again or so.
14:13:54 There's no I don't know if there's any fail flaw in there right now in terms of someone else using this process to apply for the permit under the ordinance.
14:14:02 There was a mention on Section 4, according to what Commissioner Brotherton brought up and I believe it's.
14:14:07 Item number 20, and it talks about a reference to the International residential code.
14:14:11 I talked to the Plans Examiner today, and where there may be some confusion here is that number 20 under Section 4.
14:14:20 References, a tiny structure or structure with more than one sleeping area, and what was intended, there was anything beyond a so-called tiny shelter which was specifically
used, selected as terminology.
14:14:33 Because it didn't have a corresponding definition or limitation in the building code.
14:14:36 We were basically accommodating what those tiny shelters are by saying, by pulling out life safety measures, but not specifying that they needed to meet the tiny home or tiny
house provisions in the code which is Appendix
14:14:51 queue. So I know that's complicated the point was here anything beyond that.
14:14:56 We're talking about common areas, multiple bedrooms family unit that involves kitchen facilities and other things that like plumbing.
14:15:01 Then we would be triggering the building code provisions for tiny homes.
14:15:09 Would that trigger it no that's one bedroom.
14:15:17 So when we get into multiple bedrooms, then it triggers appendix queue.
14:15:20 I might have to that section 4 is in the body of the ordinance after the warehouses, and it prosecuting attorney's office broke out.
14:15:33 The title 15 material, and added all of the title 18 material as an appendix.
14:15:39 So the title 15 section 4 is within the body of the ordinance.
14:15:45 Then the other section 4 is within the attachment A.
14:15:48 So that gets confusing on which section 4 we're talking about.
14:15:53 But that's the intention is to not have to meet all the building code requirements.
14:15:59 If you have a single room structure, that's fine with that answer, that's good.
14:16:05 Thank you.
14:16:12 Yeah, there's one thing that i'm hearing is that. so the slide usually is.
14:16:18 If the layman's terms of changes and then the red line that you've said is really the the the more legal East side of it.
14:16:28 So in the future I i'm sensing that we should bring both have one in the packet, and just want to make sure it's going forward.
14:16:33 Flight for the lot of record. So we'll have one in the pack and then a lot of people don't look at the the specifics of an ordinance. and then so that's why we summarize it.
14:16:44 On the slides for for those that aren't really interested in that, and make a little distinction from what you said.
14:16:51 I think right. I mean, I think the slides are great.
14:16:54 A clean version of the ordinance, you know, presented for kind of final approval or modification, and then a red line showing the changes from the last iteration.
14:17:04 Gotcha just wanna make sure cause we're gonna have this coming forward again.
14:17:09 And so it's good a lot of times when we do strategic planning retreats which did with the planning commission.
14:17:16 It's really that I identify ways to improve the process to better understand what works best for for for the the viewers.
14:17:28 So we'll make sure that we do that we'll have quite a few of these come forward, and I I couldn't agree more that a red line version is super helpful because the number of documents
that at least the 3 of us
14:17:41 see every day is sometimes this downloading, so it helps ground us in the last version that we saw and know what happened since then.
14:17:53 Kind of instantly. So I think that's super helpful suggestion. And I think just for the for the public letting people know that you know, reinforcing that we can keep working
on this until we get it right that If there are some
14:18:08 substantive issues that come up it's not too late and I and that we're and we're still looking so you know, I guess i'd encourage the public to point out issues like Vicki did
today.
14:18:17 Which i'm satisfied going through it now that it's not it's i'm not concerned by that.
14:18:23 But you know the more eyes we have on something the stronger it is, as far as i'm concerned.
14:18:32 Any more discussion before we open it for public comment so you will have this discussion, and we'll have some public comment, and we'll have some more discussion.
14:18:45 So if there are folks on the attendee list who would like to make a comment on this ordinance on temporary, homeless facilities?
14:18:54 Please raise your hand using the raise hand button at the bottom of the zoom screen, and the only phone number I see on there is staff phone.
14:19:03 So the raise hand button is the option for now.
14:19:08 And I see hands going up right. How long how many minutes do they get 3?
14:19:14 Okay, I'm bringing over Vicki and Barbara Maureen next
14:19:24 Vicki. you'll have to unmute and you'll have 3Â min for public comment.
14:19:29 Okay, hi. I am encouraged very much, but your willingness to take up the discussion of how the process occurred, and have to see how you can improve it.
14:19:42 And I concur with red line. I also think that you know next time it would be good to have in an additional meeting or time space between the discussion and the deliberation,
such as the occurred in the planning meeting I also
14:20:00 think that it would help the public a lot. To do 2 things is to make clear how to access documents that are coming up for discussion in a very clear way.
14:20:13 I think you guys are all familiar with it. most of the public is not.
14:20:20 And so to give up fairly well experience people could not access the documents and did not have view to them.
14:20:29 I will say that the other thing is so I think that you should have a clear procedure for public hearings be available to the public so that they know where they're at in the
process, and they don't confuse and
14:20:45 don't feel shut down because I knew there were many instances of that during this process.
14:20:53 Finally I would like to say I am concerned about how the comments were collected, and how they were referred to.
14:21:01 So that's another grasshouse point so there's 3 process points, in addition to what's been discussed already the housing action team.
14:21:15 Tiny home communities is preparing a list to all of our concerns.
14:21:18 And have our documenting what those concerns are, and referencing both G.
14:21:24 Drafts. we're already at you know 10 pages and county.
14:21:30 So it's been a halt, to do figure out what it is. I still think there's a lot of confusion between the terms tiny structure tiny shelter, temporary structures, and it resulted
in such what we read
14:21:48 as requirements for carbon monoxide detectors and fire extinguishers in tats.
14:21:58 And with regard to the item I was speaking today, it says,
14:22:08 A tiny structure which is nowhere to find so so it's easy to confuse that with tiny shelter.
14:22:13 So it looks like that. that is re going to be an Irc requirement.
14:22:20 And that was actually in the ordinance properties. Section 4, not in the Appendix.
14:22:26 So and it's item 21 not 20 so we're, ready to provide a whole list.
14:22:34 But I am think that the the focus here today is properly on process, and I I am encouraged by a day on All right. well just say one more thing.
14:22:47 People did not feel her, and that is a consequence that You're gonna you're gonna live with I mean people were very, very upset and did not feel it.
14:22:59 Heard. Thank you
14:23:05 Sorry I was muted. Thank you for your comments. We appreciate hearing, and it will help us improve things in the future for sure.
14:23:13 Barbara Maury, You will need to unmute yourself, and you'll have 3Â min for public comment, and you're still muted, Barbara
14:23:33 And prompting her. the other sheels I don't know, or was on meeting. I will say there there is a definition for time.
14:23:41 Tiny structures, temporary structures, and I see that, Barbara, I think you're unmuted.
14:23:48 Now you have 3Â min for comment, Hello!
14:23:55 This is Barbara. Can you hear me? Yes, we can hear you.
14:23:58 Okay, Good. thank you. The The comments I have are largely reinforcing what Vicki has already said.
14:24:07 So i'm not going to repeat the exactly but I want to by the and those actions happen because how the impact of the the ordinance itself, but primarily, the people who are being
served by the ordinance from
14:24:25 the agencies who barbara you're cutting out
14:24:34 We Barbara your connection is really bad You're cutting it.
14:24:40 You're cutting out a lot okay i'll i'll just try.
14:24:45 I'll send you some comments in writing that sounds great thanks so much. Julia.
14:24:50 We see we see you here Julia you'll have if i'm clearer, i'm gonna let Barber speak.
14:24:57 I am at physically with Her this in a year
14:25:09 Hello! can you hear me now with Julia's phone Much better.
14:25:14 Okay, thank you. So my comments are essentially the the the changes in the ordinance that happened outside of the standard process really had an impact on the content of the
ordinance.
14:25:30 That Impacts the individuals and the agencies that are trying to work there with work with the within the ordinance.
14:25:37 Specifically you're working with religious orphanizations and nonprofits which have particular responsibilities and also privileges under the laws.
14:25:47 My My biggest concern was the Appendixes.
14:25:51 The information in the Appendixes, because, in Appendix V.
14:25:56 For example, a whole list, 2 pages of things that had not been adopted by either the planning commission or the community development.
14:26:09 We're added in without public access in the main reason I could'm concerned, is because if you look at correspondence to the Commissioners on September the thirteenth you will
see that we already commented we had referred
14:26:20 to. We had reviewed this ordinance, we the community during the planning process, had reviewed this ordinance among with others, and adapted things we wanted from it, and eliminated
things that we didn't want from it and
14:26:35 by inserting that wholesale without a additional public comment into the ordinance.
14:26:43 It violated what had happened already in the proper process, as being followed by various committees.
14:26:50 People, community members, and so on. and the impact of that is is quite serious, because it apply it to getting induces kinds of regulations and limitations and requirements
that we, as a community debating it, discussing it arguing about
14:27:11 it organizing things agreed that we're not appropriate for our county.
14:27:17 Therefore we rewrote those and they were adapted and adopted into the red line the red line writing and then commented on, and so on.
14:27:27 So that's that's the big concern it's that kind of thing that whole paid 2 whole pages on unwarranted material were added into the appendix, which becomes part of the ordinance
the second thing
14:27:41 is, if this is not a criticism, this is just the reality of things.
14:27:46 Yeah, one of the very important planning the DCD.
14:27:50 Meetings. The agenda says: public comment on non-related items, not agenda items is at this point, and if you have an agenda item, you can approach it later on in the meeting
at that agenda point
14:28:01 but when it came time to work with that agenda item related to the ordinance.
14:28:08 We were informed that the how economic timeline's already passed, and I just you know just want to present.
14:28:17 That is one of them snap foods it wasn't a delivered, or a malicious thing, or incompetent, or anything else.
14:28:22 It just happened. was under the pressure of time and all the things that we're doing here.
14:28:28 So there are some ways that's the screen process could be adjusted, and I think time is a big part of it.
14:28:34 Okay, I muted her. does julia want to speak I wasn't sure raise your hand if you do, can you?
14:28:41 If you can still hear it, says Julia. wanna speak now.
14:28:47 Yes, I will be incredibly brief. I basically was part of the process with the keyboard throughout of it.
14:28:56 And and it was we we worked on this for for years and to have you know, to think that we were making privacy.
14:29:04 It's like Oh, good they're really listening to us we're getting what we're asking for this makes sense.
14:29:08 It's respectful of the community that we represent and then for it to all be sort of thrown out is what it felt like, and it still feels like until we can meet with you in a
conversational way and really talk about this stuff that's
14:29:20 what I'm asking for so that's my public comment Okay, thank you, Julia.
14:29:29 Is there anyone else who's on the attendee list today who would like to make a public comment about the temporary, homeless facilities?
14:29:38 Ordinance. If so, raise your hand, using the raise hand button at the bottom of the zoom screen.
14:29:44 I appreciate. Everyone has commented so far today, and would really appreciate written your written comments.
14:29:54 As well I know a couple of you mentioned you'd be sending those.
14:29:59 But Greg, I saw your hands I I I incorrectly, corrected Vicki.
14:30:06 When I said that tiny structures was defined, temporary structures is defined. But I think that 21 clause is kind of problematic.
14:30:13 I mean, if you read it, you should be able to drop the middle clause so you could read any tiny structure which is not explicitly defined.
14:30:21 Any tiny structure must be built to the international residential code, and that that is, I mean, that would encompass
14:30:31 I would assume that the wouldn't show any any of the other definitions we have of temporary shelter. So I think there is something a little problematic with that 21 and earlier
that was said that that would require a
14:30:45 bathroom, which that was the the previous 1 20 so if you build a bathroom.
14:30:50 Oh, yeah, I don't know anyway.
14:30:58 Any other comments from our panelists today. Okay, Kate: Yeah.
14:31:06 I i'm i'm sorry that that that advocates whose work I really appreciate. feel that all of their work has been thrown out because I feel like we actually went to to pretty through
a pretty
14:31:19 deliberative process to try to incorporate a lot of those comments.
14:31:23 And as happens in the making of sausage of public policy, some of it got cut and and some was softened, and some compromises were were made.
14:31:35 So I I I hope that I hope that they so entirely feel unheard because I felt that we were going to great lengths to incorporate feedback.
14:31:45 And I I I might I wonder if perhaps commissioner Brotherston, because you've been closest to this. If you'd be willing to sit down with advocates and see if there are some some
substantive points that need to
14:31:57 be revisited. in the process that Mr. huns up here described.
14:32:03 Earlier. and again it's. it. that isn't a promise that we that we don't listen to any one group and make policy based on what one group recommends.
14:32:11 We are always balancing a lot of different interests. and I stand stand by that.
14:32:16 But but if there are indeed some oversights, I think we open to visiting them. but it might take a smaller group, not in public session to try to identify them.
14:32:27 I'd be happy to do that 100% just reach out to me. we'll make it happen Philip, I see your hand up.
14:32:35 I was gonna say something similar to what Kate said, only she said it much better than I could have said it.
14:32:40 I I just wanna add one thing. This is the normal process.
14:32:47 You know the planning commission makes recommendations this body passes the legislation, and it happens all the time that changes get made between the 2 processes.
14:32:59 That's normal, Joel. I see your hand. up yes, I wanted to make a comment about the process as well at the planning commission when we hold a public hearing on a particular topic.
14:33:15 Temporary housing ordinance for example we do not want to.
14:33:20 It's a very formal process so we don't want to allow public comment about that topic in the in the first part of the meeting.
14:33:28 Public comment. We we say, if you're not if you if you we're gonna comment about the hearing.
14:33:36 Wait until we open the record, and we have a particular thing that the chair reads, saying, This is a formal process.
14:33:43 We are now opening the record And now you may comment, and that occurred with the planning commission at the end.
14:33:51 The Yeah, so that that's the reason we don't want you to comment on that at the beginning of the meeting at the end we click the hearing, you know it's formally closed.
14:34:04 So that public record is now contained, and the Planning commission began.
14:34:09 Deliberations at that point There were some people who were on the line who wanted to comment, and we said, No, you can't, because the hearing had formally been closed, and
14:34:22 We also received letters from that meeting, too, because we had some bad connections.
14:34:28 So. so those people were heard, and their comments were made part of the the formal record.
14:34:34 But we have limitations on When people can speak and that's what occurred with the planning commission, I do want to mention 2.
14:34:43 I printed a copy directly of the ordinance directly off of Laser Fish.
14:34:47 It's the the signed copy and there isn't a 21.
14:34:51 It's it ends at 20 and so also someone mentioned an Appendix B.
14:34:57 And there isn't an appendix b in this ordinance. So i'm concerned that we should begin from the ordinance that's on laser fish the boards past ordinance as we begin talking
about
14:35:11 revisions, so we're all starting with the same copy add some a keenly good point.
14:35:19 Do, And do we have definitions to sound? A couple of mentions of a need for definition?
14:35:28 Section is that part of that. There are some definitions in the ordinance and some definitions in the comprehensive plan.
14:35:35 But we'll need to look at that we we could probably do a better job of pulling it all together into the ordinance.
14:35:44 Okay, pull number 21 cause I mean i'm looking at the June thirteenth.
14:35:53 Meet packet, and it has 21 on there so is that a I guess I just don't have a call.
14:35:57 If that was a revision we made at one day we made several revisions in.
14:36:04 It looks like we cut a number out that's Why, there's only 19 and 20 is now what some people were referencing as 20 and 21.
14:36:12 So any tiny structure, so that's 21 is 20 but it's still the same.
14:36:18 Now right? a comment worth considering about that. Yes, it was
14:36:26 It was bad structure sentence structure it's supposed to be any tiny structure that has more than one sleeping area.
14:36:34 But also there's going to be other structures on the facility such as the group quarters.
14:36:41 So it was any tiny structure with more than one sleeping area or any group quarters with more than one sleeping area, but with a column of the where where it is. it reads that
any tiny structure needs to be under the code it's
14:36:53 not the intent, So it was just bad sentence structure.
14:36:56 There.
14:37:03 Any more conversation or commentary from our panelists today.
14:37:07 Sounds like We have couple of steps that are gonna happen right Greg's gonna meet with interested stakeholders. and then we probably wanna can, you know, have a process for
getting input our final comments.
14:37:28 Yeah. And then I guess one other thing that I just wanna really amplify is that if anyone in the public has trouble with the process, I encourage them to reach out to our office
because we want to facilitate clear communication and
14:37:39 transparency. and you know, sometimes these systems are not the most navigable.
14:37:45 But it doesn't mean that there aren't people that will help you, you know, find the document that you're having trouble accessing, and I I encourage people to use the full that
to leverage the resources.
14:37:55 That we have and staff to to make sure that and and if we know about that ahead of time that people have any trouble getting to a document or something.
14:38:02 It's a lot easier to address than after the fact, when you know it doesn't really help. so love to hear those things before I'm, I i'm I feel like a broken record.
14:38:13 But I want as much public input as we can get from as many diverse voices as we can hear from.
14:38:19 And you know that's Why, i've been committed to the public public comment process in the mornings on Monday, and trying to build public comment into our agenda items throughout
the day, and but i'm
14:38:33 I'm always shocked at how little we actually you know constructive feedback comes like, hey?
14:38:40 Did you notice this or and I feel like that's what I would appreciate more than anything from folks is is treating us like humans that we are, and that we're in conversation
together.
14:38:52 And then community together. Remember when I was running, for commissioner I kept saying community over and over and again that's Why, I ran to be a more productive member of
my community, and you, know I hear from people who I know but there's a lot
14:39:03 of folks who I haven't even gotten a chance to meet. yet because my entire campaign in my entire tenure as a commissioner thus far has been on zoom, which is ridiculously frustrating
for our people person, like me.
14:39:15 but i'm just gonna say it out loud here, again, please reach out if you have a comment.
14:39:22 A question. Our staff are incredibly responsive in the Commissioner's office, and in all of our departments, and if you don't know who to call call us, I want to call your Commissioner,
and will we'll figure out who you need to
14:39:33 talk to. So I just want to say that as many times as possible, and I appreciate all the time that Vicki and Barbara and Julia I mean, I have hardly even met you guys I've been
on protests with you
14:39:48 Julia down the street corners but you know it's
14:39:53 I appreciate all of your engagement and involvement and participation.
14:39:59 And you know your your valued partners in this process that we're in, and I hope that you've you know that even though it's frustrating sometimes, and know that it's frustrating
for us
14:40:09 sometimes, too, and but we'll get through this together. cause we're here, and we're i'm not moving anywhere, and I don't think any of you are so we're in community together,
and let's get it right and even if it
14:40:20 takes us knocking on each other's doors sometimes. sorry I just got on my soapbox for a minute.
14:40:26 There. Joel, you still have your hand up. Did you have something you wanted to add?
14:40:34 No, I apologize. I don't know how to lower okay, there it is.
14:40:39 So is there any more comments? on this It sounds like greg's gonna get together with a group of folks because he can have a conversation not on zoom with people.
14:40:51 And and then we're gonna come up with a process for amending the ordinance updating the ordinance.
14:40:58 What's the right term
14:41:04 Sounds good, feels good, feels right. thank you everybody really appreciate everyone's time today.
14:41:12 Appreciate you all immensely. Okay, So moving on to our next agenda item.
14:41:21 It's continued deliberation. this is establishing a Cape George.
14:41:27 No shooting area under Chapter 8 dot 50 of the Jefferson County code, and we had our entire kind of hearing and session on this last week.
14:41:36 But Kate was traveling, and felt like we should have one final wrap up conversation before we adop adopt this.
14:41:46 No shooting area, but, as I remember, we were all generally very supportive of the smaller.
14:41:52 No, no, Cape George, no shooting area that was proposed and shared last week, and I don't know if anyone has other things.
14:42:00 They wanna say today, if I I would love to continue deliberations on that.
14:42:09 And then also, especially since we have Mr. Hunsecker here.
14:42:12 If we could talk about the other petition we received for jolly way.
14:42:17 Right? Yeah. if if how, we wanna proceed with that getting it towards it.
14:42:22 But I let's see i'm I have not had any any change in my thinking since our hearing last week.
14:42:33 I'm so prepared to move forward with the smaller no shooting area within.
14:42:38 Keep George it feels like more dense residential neighborhood, where shooting would not be safe to form.
14:42:48 So i'm Happy to proceed when others are and we Oh, i'm just reminding folks we overwhelmingly got some port for the cave, George.
14:43:00 No shooting area. even after we were done with the hearing last week we got more input.
14:43:04 It was like 9 to one, I I mean it was hugely skewed towards people feeling that it would be much safer in their community, and really asking us to adopt this in shooting area,
and I think in terms of the jolly
14:43:19 way, no shooting area. I think we felt like it was significantly, geographically distinct that we would need to consider it as a separate, No shooting area.
14:43:29 And that that the Cape George No shooting area also I think primarily aligns with the Homeowners Association boundaries for Cape George.
14:43:41 So it made sense to have that be its own. No shooting area, Philip.
14:43:45 I saw you. Do you have something? you wanna add? Oh, I was just trying to put up the
14:43:52 The map and and failed miserably at share screen today.
14:43:55 I don't know what's going on but We saw the map briefly, Oh, is it up.
14:44:01 Okay, it didn't show that it didn't show that it was and how about now?
14:44:08 Okay, right? So that's what you're gonna vote on here momentarily.
14:44:16 I mean, you can just see the development pattern and and yeah, the threat of health and safety is is real.
14:44:22 When you're talking about these posted stamp lots why was they not?
14:44:26 You know why there's no shootings there in 4,000. So I I think this makes a lot of sense, and we talked about why the larger one didn't make sense you know from the tribal illustration
of usual and a custom
14:44:40 rights to the regular hunting and other activities that happen in in Dnr Lands.
14:44:45 It wasn't really practical. So I I i'm still fully supportive of honoring the request to create a no shooting area in the proposed smaller Cape George area here
14:44:59 With someone like to make a motion i'm happy to make a motion to approve the No shooting area proposal for this smaller keep, George.
14:45:11 No shooting area as presented last week and shown on the screen right here.
14:45:18 I will second, but ask for discussion days. Okay, just wanna make sure that we don't have to reference a particular resolution.
14:45:28 We get the the materials in our packet this week.
14:45:32 So? Phil. is Is that a? Is that motion sufficient?
14:45:36 Or do we need to reference the specific resolution or ordinance?
14:45:41 I think it's sufficient
14:45:45 As it was as it was listed on our agenda establishing and Cape George no shooting area under Chapter 8, that 50 of the Jefferson County code, and that was what was listed on
our agenda last week as
14:45:56 Well, Well, so i'll all in favor I would of adopting this, no shooting area bye bye none opposed.
14:46:09 Okay, thank you. Team: Okay, we're moving on we'll just wanna get that on the agenda right for a separate hearing.
14:46:25 I mean, is it a to verify a validated petition right now?
14:46:28 Yeah, I think that's been done. yeah I staff's preparing hearing note yeah, an agenda item the Board has to review it and decide which method they want to use amicable solution
public hearing or
14:46:47 a review committee, I think for the 3 my right though you're right?
14:46:53 Okay, so that's in process. Okay, great thank you go ahead and gotten that update before we move on.
14:47:01 Would you like a A review about how the amicable solution at the gardener?
14:47:07 Proposed no shooting areas going I would love that maybe I don't.
14:47:14 We probably don't need to see the map anymore. Phil No, I I mean, we can sure she has seen it briefly.
14:47:23 Probably would be helpful just to make sure everyone knows what we're talking about.
14:47:32 Okay, over here by my calculations, use using our our mapping system.
14:47:40 Okay, let me see if I can get it for you.
14:47:59 Here we go
14:47:59 Here we go. I had to remember where it was in my computer.
14:48:03 Yeah where you're looking it It really So our petition was, you know, like 3 properties, maybe 2.
14:48:14 And then they got it. suggested that maybe you just go down to one after some of the property owners were like, hey?
14:48:19 We like target shooting on our property. Why, why are you infringing on our rights?
14:48:24 So we could, of course, consider either of those maps, and we had the ability to adjust the map as we as we wanted
14:48:34 So we were considering really the one that was just the the lagoon mostly, which was 1 one property.
14:48:42 One piece of property essentially is what we're considering ultimately we said, I would look for an amicable solution.
14:48:48 I guess that also goes on to that wildlife parking lot as well.
14:48:52 But it's really just a fish and wildlife parking lot, and one private owner's property.
14:48:58 I think that's the the first map right cause they tried to shrink it a little bit.
14:49:04 I think that's the first one yeah you guys are seeing this. Yeah, there's this: I think that's the second version right? So we did hear the day after the hearing from the property
owner that the lagoon.
14:49:16 Is on very opposed to a no shooting zone put just on their property, and pointing out there are many other properties that are much smaller and and riskier to have shooting
happen that would not be included in the
14:49:26 notion. So they were, as we predicted, not not in favor of.
14:49:33 A no shooting zone there. and recall that the the type of shooting that was happening was mostly waterfowl hunting during season.
14:49:43 And so we are in im, and slow. a slow conversation and email conversation back and forth, talking about what the property owner wants and seeing if there is some alignment,
or at least level of communication with the surrounding community to I guess, la fear
14:50:01 is that there isn't more use you know trespassing use of the property for hunting than is allowed by the property owner.
14:50:10 So we're talking about signage. right Now i'm in conversation, 2 with works and fish and wildlife, and the port about the development of that parcel, you know.
14:50:21 O*. there was a fish and wildlife parking with the gardener boat ramps that has an Rco.
14:50:26 Grant to replace it. and that might even include, you know, moving the ramp is is a potential if the easement is adjustable.
14:50:36 That would create a lot more safe. a much safer environment if you didn't have like on the very left hand side of that yellow shading is where the the boat ramp is just as you're
coming down through a dense kind
14:50:48 of blind curve from the the left hand side kind of the north side there.
14:50:54 So looking at signage for the Fourth of July weekend, which is coming up, and I think there were a cumulative impacts with really triggered the communities.
14:51:03 Petition for a no shooting area as a response to a lot of impacts that they were experiencing there.
14:51:10 So I guess a long way of saying I don't think the property owner is gonna get into no shooting on that property.
14:51:16 They they might they might resign. they might communicate with other property owners.
14:51:24 The sheriff's department about You know how many people have permission to hunt on that property.
14:51:29 They might not. And we're also looking to mitigate other other, you know, overnight and and sort of out of the scale of development impacts that the community is suffering through.
right now.
14:51:45 Thank you, Greg Yep, that's where we are sounds like a really good conversation.
14:51:54 It's it's been yeah it's been engaging so far.
14:52:05 Thanks for taking that approach with this area. Yeah. Happy to do it.
14:52:10 Any other questions or thoughts on no shooting areas at this point.
14:52:17 Okay, Okay. So I think we'll move on to further discussion of Dnr timber sales and additional public comments.
14:52:33 And this came up because i've heard in the hallway that we've all been doing our homework for the last, you know, few weeks, and I thought it would be good for us to have an
opportunity to share what we've learned as
14:52:46 we've gone along since our I think it was may thirty-first.
14:52:50 Our last conversation about this which is almost a month ago.
14:52:55 Now, and I know that you know I have a number of specific updates to share.
14:53:03 And then Greg and I went to timber school and learned a lot more there, and I just feel like a lot has happened in the last month.
14:53:12 And So I I One thing I proposed is just creating, like a group like of things we want to report on, and I have my little list of 6 items that I wanted to share with you guys,
and I don't know I I
14:53:24 could share my screen, and you could tell me what updates you have.
14:53:29 I think, Kate, you've gotten some additional information from Dnr on prioritizing.
14:53:36 No, I wish I had. Okay, I that's my big mushroom.
14:53:40 Have we heard anything back from Dnr? Okay, so do you have anything that you wanna share today on this front?
14:53:50 No, no, I mean I have I have thoughts but I yeah, I I wouldn't say anything anything to report i'm interested in thinking about a process
14:54:03 Of. I think I said this last week or the week before.
14:54:07 But So, regardless of how Dnr decides from us, I would like us to be starting to kind of create our own.
14:54:19 Vision or or plan, and you know I don't think we need to wait for Dnis permission to do that The more we can kind of present to them our
14:54:31 You know what what we would like to see how we would like to see our trust lands be used.
14:54:34 I think that's going to be welcome and and that would also represent our interests best.
14:54:42 So interested in process kind of how we start delineating the issues that we want and perhaps a work group to explore and finding some some key values and priorities.
14:54:55 For our future vision. And then, I don't know if we have we shared with you much about our field trip, little bit, but just pretty briefly and in in in briefing, it was pretty
easy thing last week yeah, yeah, taking in
14:55:15 that, and you had to walk with microphoneon i'd love to hear about that as well. I mean am I correct in remembering that his letter really suggested especially unit one the
Dnr had pulled on their own accord.
14:55:28 Was the critical thing not to not do it, not to log.
14:55:32 Yeah, so great, just before we get going, do you have any specific agenda items?
14:55:38 Do you want to cover today
14:55:59 Okay, And then, yeah, you know what what's what's the next step, I mean, you know, coming up with the strategy, you know.
14:56:07 I'm not I don't think we're of one mind of what to do in the short term.
14:56:09 But I think we're in one mind that we should think long term.
14:56:14 These are not decisions that you you know these are 50 year decision so let's really think about it.
14:56:19 Yeah. Okay. So where do we wanna start? Maybe I should start, And then we can add to the list of questions.
14:56:31 I'm just trying to capture things or do we want to start with a little debrief Well, we already did that in in open session the up to our timber school, but so i'll just share
that I
14:56:44 had a one on one conversation with Tinka Faberini from Dnr about the carbon project, because that felt like a big question that we had initially when we went into this whole
kind of discovery learning because they announced their
14:57:02 carbon project. 2 days after we sent our first letter? and we're like, Well, what's this?
14:57:08 And and in my conversation with her. You know the thing.
14:57:10 I came out of it was, she confirmed, that currently carbon sales yield 10 to 20% of timber sales, which is not great news, but to confirm that.
14:57:21 So that was good information for me to hear but that they're also working towards getting that to a much higher percentage of the timber sales, and but that won't be quick work,
and so she also said that the regions right now
14:57:39 are identifying candidate pools of parcels for face 2.
14:57:43 And as we heard this morning, they likely won't be looking at small parcels under 100 acres, so you know, some of the timber sales that we've been talking about a lot are not
likely candidates for the carbon
14:57:56 project phase 2 and then she said that they would probably be doing stakeholder outreach in the summer or fall.
14:58:07 So we're looking at months before they even start really reaching out about phase.
14:58:11 2 of the carbon project. she did say that pre 1,900 stands will not be considered for harvest at all until this process is done, which is, we've heard that before, and other
conversations but you just kind of said that point blank
14:58:28 to me, and that they they're working to have an update out to everyone in a month or 2 on the carbon project and and thinking about the phase 2 parcels.
14:58:43 They're trying to balance the impact of the carbon project across counties.
14:58:46 So that you know they kind of level they level out the the decreased revenue from the carbon project across, you know.
14:58:57 Not so it's not all in jefferson county right so that the revenue wouldn't be you know the the percentage when I wouldn't i'll hit our junior taxing districts so that was my
take
14:59:10 home from my conversation with with her she's super open to having you know more conversations with us other if there's questions that you guys have for encouraged need to let
you know directly out to her.
14:59:23 She's you know knowledgeable and kind of learning and building this.
14:59:29 It's like flying the plane Well, while you're building the plane while you're flying it kind of but also seems really knowledgeable on carbon issues at a level that none of
us are can I ask you one question I don't know if
14:59:42 you talked about this with her, but the carbon project to me seems to be at least so far kind of a a binary proposition, you know.
14:59:51 Either we log. we manage these these woods. or we don't do anything, and we lock it up, and I guess I just keep hoping that, you know, like in our response to covid that you
layer a couple of different tech tools
15:00:05 together to, you know, find them additional additionality. maybe you know to double the buffer length, you know.
15:00:13 So you're not necessarily making the whole trust up with that which we know we're just not going to be able to do, and if we're sincere about not wanting to you know sacrifice
our during your taxing
15:00:23 district, and indeed our own general fund and road fund, that you know these layered things.
15:00:29 But is your your impression still that it's kind of either in the carbon project or it's managed I think they're still trying to figure that out, and then and she's and then
asking the regions to
15:00:39 prioritize parcels. There will probably be a set of follow-up questions after they get a prioritized list right?
15:00:46 I mean I think it's really an emerging project so there, aren't a lot of answers right now.
15:00:52 There are more questions.
15:00:58 When you said they are not considering pre- 1,900 stands that's for the carbon program.
15:01:06 No for harvest. Okay, Gotcha thank you pot pause. they both.
15:01:12 They've always kind of said that though so I don't I didn't understand how that was different.
15:01:15 But she just said it as a definitively so I thought I should pass it along
15:01:26 Yeah. So then another thing that happened is drew sent me a updated appraisal for Beaver Valley sorts, because it was mentioned.
15:01:38 I I don't know if it was the maybe an army that Beaver Valley sorts was no longer a sort sale.
15:01:44 It's now a lump sale and that changed the I did a updated I can share my screen and I did an updated calculation, but they didn't have a new appraisal until just so
15:02:07 let's see share screen to your screen
15:02:16 You see that? Yeah. So you guys are in front of mine So it's revised.
15:02:28 Yep. So originally so originally on at the April fifteenth board of natural resources meeting when they got her letter Bill Peach said, Well, they're turning down 4 million
dollars for their beneficiaries, and and
15:02:46 but what it was was. It was a 2 point. 7 million dollar sale predicted projected sale and based on what the money had been for logs.
15:02:58 They then said, Well, it's becoming in this much above estimates, so it's probably more like a 4 million dollar sale and
15:03:07 So when I ran the calculations previously, I ran it for 2.7 and 4 million dollars, it's another tab here.
15:03:18 I'm trying to move you guys. Okay, wait So here was my my calculations at 2.7 and 4, and then the revised appraisal came back.
15:03:32 Just now last week or so and it's now, about 2 million dollars as a lump sale. So you know the difference between a lump sale and a sort sale.
15:03:43 Right. Okay, So as a Lump sale it's it's estimated around 2 million dollars, and then that you take off the 25% for Dnr. So it takes it down to one a little over one and a
15:03:56 half. and then this is how it breaks out by junior Junior high or beneficiaries.
15:04:05 I've been corrected they're not caught all in your taxing districts because the county is not a junior taxing district, and this State school levy, which gets a lot of a third
of the money is not you know it's a
15:04:15 beneficiary. So about the numbers that we were considering, though I thought when we looked at it before, were we looking at 4 million.
15:04:26 I I don't know Remember the impact of the school district team.
15:04:28 Well, maybe are you talking about penny wise no but I you know i'm talking about a lot of things at the same time. so i'm just probably misunderstanding so penny wise is coming
at about a 1 point
15:04:41 2 million dollar estimate, which would be $900,000 to beneficiaries.
15:04:45 And this is how that splits out so in the letter We just got from the fire districts. they're they're not taking off to Dnr's 25% in their calculations.
15:04:58 But so this is you know it's still it's you know Anyway, you cut it.
15:05:02 It's a lot of money and what's become clear over the course of the last over 2 months.
15:05:07 Now is that Some junior taxing districts rely on this revenue a lot more than others.
15:05:15 Some need the revenue but they can't budget for it, because it's so inconsistent and others.
15:05:23 It's been more consistent for them so they do really rely on it, and I think that's probably the case with the Brennan in closing fire districts which we've heard from in the
last week, ,
15:05:34 so i'm not gonna i'm gonna stop sharing screen unless okay, so
15:05:44 And then one thing that came out of timber school, and Greg and I looked each at.
15:05:48 We looked at each other. In this moment there was a really great presentation. I set Zuckerman from Northwest. Natural resource group about the carbon storage and different
rotations.
15:05:59 So lengthening rotations, and he had a just a really clear presentation, and Greg and I looked to him, and we're like we need this.
15:06:08 So we've invited him to come he's gonna come next week and give us his presentation.
15:06:17 Targeted from Taylor more to our particular questions and timber sales and
15:06:24 So that should be helpful information cause it'll help us understand what the real potential is for you know extending rotations.
15:06:33 If that's a viable option or what the what the carbon potential is there because the carbon project is feeling less and less to me like an option for Jefferson County I did
visit beaver
15:06:49 valley source with Mike Cronin and for the benefit of the public who's joined us, although they probably most of the people on this call know this is Mike was the Dnr Forster,
for the Olympic region
15:06:59 for 30 years 20 at least 25 years very long time he's wonderful.
15:07:07 He knows all of these stands intimately. super great resource for us going forward.
15:07:18 And he said, I want to take you to be rebellious towards unit one, and it is when people ask me, how are these forests different?
15:07:26 I can now put myself there and go this is how they're different big trees, more open spacing more species diversity.
15:07:36 Just it's a very different for us i've watched a lot of 80 year old.
15:07:41 Douglas for timber stands it is not one of those, and nobody knows that better than my cronin because he's walked all of these timber stands that we're talking about so was
super beneficial just to
15:07:54 go there and be there with him, and hear his kind of reflection.
15:08:01 And you know I ask questions like you know. Why why is this so Inordinately more special than other timber stands?
15:08:07 And he says this the age of the trees some of the trees and the species, but primarily the species diversity in that forest a lot of cedar. Anyway, it's a very diverse stand
and my last 2 things were penny
15:08:26 wise. I haven't as you know been as focused on Penny wise, but I feel like I had had to understand it a little bit more.
15:08:32 So I just shared the the allocations and the calculations. and then
15:08:38 The thing I heard from from my cronin about Penny.
15:08:43 Wise is, he said. I think if you want to look at anything in penny wise.
15:08:48 I'd look at unit 7 he said that's a naturally regenerated like old growth that where trees fell down, and he said, It's very interesting toography and that's cause there was
a lot of blow down up on that
15:09:00 ridge, and then the it naturally regenerated amongst all that blow down, and it makes it a incredibly unique timber.
15:09:08 Stand so I didn't know about the for us for the future effort.
15:09:18 That happened 11 years ago here I I remember it now remember hearing about it, but I i'm really interested to dig into that.
15:09:25 I still I I haven't and if there's any i'm sorry if there's any junior taxing districts on the line right now.
15:09:32 Hearing me say this, I don't feel bad that we're taking the time to ask these questions, and look at these timber sales.
15:09:39 The way we are, but i'm starting to feel like and i've been saying this out loud, that we might need to let some of these go and let let the harvest happen, so that the junior
taxing this took their revenue
15:09:54 and we have the time. we need to really understand how to build a path forward for the county.
15:10:01 The County Forest Board lands in Jefferson County instead of feeling like
15:10:05 You know our feed are held to the fire because you know gotta hurry up, and I don't want to do anything too fast.
15:10:13 So I guess that's my report and I don't know.
15:10:22 Yeah, no. I like where your analysis is going. I think the argument I made, and I guess you know my take one of my big takeaways going through this and trying to educate myself
about it.
15:10:35 Is, I mean, if I was going to steer Dnr, I would steer them to create more places like Penny, Wise and Beaver Valley sorts, you know.
15:10:46 I mean is national regeneration Impossible to consider now, you know, is
15:10:51 Can we look at that 80 year rotation cycle instead of a 40, 50 year rotation cycle?
15:10:55 So when people talk about, you know, take take the the plantation stands down right now, i'm like well let's maybe we should.
15:11:02 Thin the plantation stands and let them go for another 30 years, you know, and and create more.
15:11:07 Another. I think i'd almost call it a Canard that we've heard is that you know I mean the reason that we have these these older forests like Beer Valley and penny wise to consider
right now and they're being
15:11:19 put forward is because they weren't sure I think They were kind of perhaps encumbered by the interim.
15:11:24 Habitat, conservation plan, and Dnr is looking at, you know, the whole landscape.
15:11:30 Not just Jefferson County right? so They're not looking at preserving older forests in Jefferson County, but across the whole planning district.
15:11:40 And we do, of course, have a lot of older older forests.
15:11:45 I guess I want to come up with that a way to steer the ship towards creating more places like that.
15:11:50 But I think you know even a shelter would kind of approach where you take down the biggest trees and and and support successional growth underneath that, and let it naturally
generate under that I think there's a lot of
15:12:02 interesting management styles i'm really intrigued with Dnrs voiced willingness to kind of consider some of these working with our values as they plan their management.
15:12:18 And so i'm with you howidi that I think they've done the appropriate thing, and taking that unit one of Beaver Valley out. I've walked you know not not unit one but 3 I think
and
15:12:29 unity 7 at penny wise and they're similar and that they're older trees, and mike's absolutely right.
15:12:35 There's a lot of fallen trees and everything which you know when they log it's unsafe to leave them on the ground, so they usually leave you know, standing dead in and in lieu
of the dead one on the ground which is so good for
15:12:45 habitat but I I I feel we don't have any solutions to make up that the the revenue.
15:12:58 There's none right I mean I heard one walking with legislators last week that I didn't really report on, and that is
15:13:06 They didn't think it would happen, but if legislature gave us or maybe a vot of the people a chance to create a you know, 2 tenths of 1% tax, and that would give regular regular
funding
15:13:19 to the junior taxing districts and beneficiaries and then allow for conservation or carbon project.
15:13:27 So I I think that's in the future the old so far. the only thing that I've heard that would actually make up the shortfall we're talking about walking walking into the financial
shortfall.
15:13:39 And I still I mean I don't know maybe can I come, we fly through a little bit of seth's presentation just to kind of give context.
15:13:50 He'll he'll dive in into a little more.
15:13:51 But can I just share a couple of my favorite slides?
15:13:54 Share my screen
15:13:59 So you know the history better than I do Heidi and Probably you too, Kate, about in Nrg's history and Jefferson County right?
15:14:09 I don't think they're here anymore but let's see, I'm just gonna skip ahead.
15:14:16 Maximizing productivity has been kind of the forestry plan since since the beginning.
15:14:21 And this one's not very helpful this is a magic chart, though the the mean annual increment.
15:14:27 You know how much, how much timber is growing, and where is that sweet spot of annual growth?
15:14:32 And and age, and eighth grade and it's really 80 80 years, or or thereabouts is where And I think you can.
15:14:42 You can make this argument that's the maximum carbon sequestration period, too. that's the kind of the sweet spot for a lot of these different and then he had talked a lot and
I haven't heard a counter argument
15:14:56 to this, but that real estate investment when investment trusts and and corporations got into the forestry business in the Eightys.
15:15:03 That's when the eight-year rotation went out of style. and we got into these 40 50 year rotations that are just about maximizing revenue at all times.
15:15:12 And that's I think what we're looking to say hey?
15:15:14 That's not the only criteria, and Then I wanted to talk to a lot about you know the having construction debris in in landfills is something too.
15:15:30 We've seen some analysis of this. I think the comparison. Hold on to do This is the comparison of the 80 rotation to the €40, and you know, they are you a lot more goes into
landfill
15:15:47 then, and is, you know, store and carbon being stored in a landfill compared to the analysis we saw in our May workshop, so this would be a 40 year on the left 4 year rotation
an 80 year.
15:16:02 Rotation with, you know, products and houses and such and landfill, plus the amount of carbon that you're sequestering in the trees, and continue to sequester and store in the
trees.
15:16:12 So so to me i'm still this is this I don't know this really spoke to me as as an 80 year rotation being
15:16:20 Oh, here we go, kinds of carbon yeah you know I again.
15:16:31 We've seen these charts from a couple of different people, and they're not too different. I haven't seen a lot of variation, whether you're coming from ecological forestry modelers
such as Nrg or you
15:16:42 know forest tree lobbyists. longer rotations mean more timber eventually, right?
15:16:50 So this and then this is imagining a bunch of dev you're managing a bunch of forests right?
15:16:59 So you know, a 5 year old stands 10 year old stands you're gonna harvest the 40 year old stands.
15:17:06 Does that make sense what this is? So these are different parcels, and the age of the stands of timber as a as a planning model.
15:17:14 So like if we were, if Jefferson County was going to go through all our forestry parcels and say, When should we thin or harvest?
15:17:20 This is based on the kind of the standard harvest model.
15:17:24 So you know, all the 48 40 year old ones would be cut, feel free to interject with any questions, or if i'm not being clear, and if you transition to an 80 year rotation, you'd
thin this
15:17:37 you know this one, and maybe start by click getting one of your 4 year old, The other thing, I think, was not not as I mean.
15:17:47 This drives at home is that you know in it 80 at 80 years.
15:17:51 We're still gonna cut the trees down right potentially a clear cut, and you have to make make that messaging work.
15:18:00 Yeah, hey? But I wanted to let's see? Oh, yeah So if you start these numbers referring to great, these are the the age of different timber stands.
15:18:17 So if you start going to an eighty-year rotation, how how would you do that? And you know the thinning is the kind of the green heck hash mark, and the red hash mark is is kind
of a clear cut basically So
15:18:25 This is just how you would a potential planning model for moving from a 40 year rotation to an eighty-year rotation.
15:18:32 How you have you know some thinning income if 40 and 55.
15:18:37 But you're not actually harvesting until 40 and you get end up.
15:18:43 Maybe Seth can talk about this one better. So this is the the base.
15:18:47 This is the clear slot the slide just how you would manage on the left with kind of the industrial versus. this longer rotation that to me speaks to me as a methodology.
15:18:59 That's the best of both worlds I guess Well, it's what an Rg. does right I mean they're they're you know they do temporal for operations.
15:19:11 Right that's that's pretty much it I I don't wanna go into that seth will be here, and you can kind of answer questions about those slides a lot better than I but I guess that's
that's
15:19:24 why I am I'm still of the mind that you know keep communicating with Dnr.
15:19:31 But do let these sales go forward and keep talking about what's the best practice, and and you know why not some natural regeneration slow that stand down by 5 years.
15:19:43 But pre more diversity. it doesn't have to be just plantations and clear cuts, and with you know, what are some of these other options?
15:19:54 You can get away from herbicides as Well, which I know we're really concerning for a lot of folks.
15:20:01 Yeah, I guess that's where I am I would just share One more thing that Mike said to me on our walk, and that was that you know what makes these for us different.
15:20:13 Then a lot of force is that they're lower elevation more near shore.
15:20:18 So they they have a a diversity in them that a lot of higher elevation for us might not, and and also tree growth.
15:20:27 I mean there more productive So couple of things come to my expert for sharing all that.
15:20:43 Both of you. One is the hmm just that like I I would like to start talking about kind of the the process. How we want to tackle this issue and whether that's you know seeing
if Mallory is
15:21:00 available to to help more. With that, you know, I do want to point out we had higher than anticipated pill revenues.
15:21:07 We could essentially think about some one time expenditure for
15:21:12 Some technical assistance to help us purse through.
15:21:19 You know some the number of various management systems, or can help us come to some.
15:21:26 You know what I keep thinking is it's again just all the interests that we're trying to manage for revenue carbon.
15:21:33 You know people are really it's this legacy forest idea but we're also hearing what that's like.
15:21:38 Maybe the the best time to harvest. So they become like a secret for us, you know, so tender management, conservation values, and ecological functions.
15:21:47 And like, I think we're pretty quickly going to need some some technical assistance to to try to put that into any sort of you know, coherent and scientifically based formula
or set of set of values of principles
15:22:07 that we wanna bring to dnr i I ran into an old colleague.
15:22:14 I used to work with an N. Rg. and I ran into an old colleague at a
15:22:19 Pupils on partnership meeting and and he said, I heard what you guys are up to in Jefferson County, and you know we always say that 89 a year cycle is the the maximum.
15:22:30 You know covenancy frustration and so i'm i'm hearing the same thing. you know it's it's complex, and so it's yeah again just kind of interested in how we how we proceed how
do
15:22:42 we wanna set ourselves up for success here. Well, we did expand the contract for Mallory already didn't.
15:22:50 We I thought that was kind of the intention I don't know you know what that What that gets exactly I I think we certainly don't, you know, with Mallory, and what one staff that
she has don't have the
15:23:02 capacity to start planning. You know, a man for all the reconciled forests of Dnr. in Jefferson County, or even East Jefferson County.
15:23:13 So we've even talked about reconvenience though I mean that's is that I don't I don't get the sense that's on the table that we what Oh, manage all of our forest lands but even
just to give us
15:23:21 the resources to be able to better will create a coherent strategy, for how we would like to see our trust lands be managed.
15:23:31 I don't think we wanna take any tool off the table now, cause we don't really have a plan for how we go forward in in terms of you know the best set of tools, and I don't think
we say
15:23:43 reconciliation is not an option. We we need to leave that tool in the toolbox. cause there may be stands that reconvenience makes a heck of a lot of sense for
15:23:55 Yeah, I just met across the board, though, all of them.
15:23:58 Yeah. Well, we do have a public comment period on the agenda for today.
15:24:08 So. i'm gonna look to you guys for when you want to, you know.
15:24:12 Hear from our our friends who have their hands going up. Well, I I I guess I want to set expectations to.
15:24:22 This is just yeah, i'm i'm stating what I believe it is just to make sure that we're all on the same page.
15:24:26 We just want to keep the conversation going and and be able to continue to talk about it as we work through this, so we're not looking for any action after public comment, either.
15:24:35 We're just kind of talking through this very complex issue a little bit more on a regular basis. Is that right?
15:24:41 I think so on it, but I think we need to give Dnr pretty clear sense of how we feel about them proceeding with Fever Valley source and Penny wise.
15:24:52 I know they have penny wise in their packet for the children.
15:24:55 Be in our meeting. I haven't seen fever valley sorts in there, but I haven't clicked on every link on their agenda page.
15:25:04 Yet and their meetings like early July. so July so next week.
15:25:13 So I mean, I guess are you feeling heidi like We should Well, I don't wanna get I don't wanna get to July Fourth.
15:25:23 And say, are we sending them another letter, or we we I mean our, or we give giving them
15:25:29 You know what I just don't want to be sending mixed messages.
15:25:33 So there is some action that we might at least direction that we might want to agree on today.
15:25:39 Okay, and I mean, I think we want to agree that This is gonna take time, right, I mean, and I've been saying it in every forum. I've been in for the last at least 6 weeks.
15:25:49 Is. This is not an overnight, you know. I mean, I felt a lot more optimistic effort to after timber school, and particularly after Nrds presentation, like we might be able to
develop something interesting.
15:26:00 You know, and Mallory was really involved. mallory and Catherine Copis, we're really involved in advance of our M.
15:26:10 Sixteenth workshop and had a lot of great input but we Haven't sat down with them again.
15:26:15 Yet to further think out what kind of. And at lunch we on our on our tour of Debbie last week Hillary was like, We want.
15:26:25 We want a proposal from. you she looked across the table to me and said, We wanna know what the county wants to do, and so I and I think I heard that was also said after I left
the tour that day. and so.
15:26:38 I think that it's in common upon us to figure out what we want to do to send clear messages about.
15:26:44 You know these early timber sales so I don't I don't think we just keep talking about it.
15:26:50 I think we should, you know, be clear any other thoughts before we open for public comment.
15:27:04 No, okay. I see a couple of hands up, Carolyn.
15:27:09 Go ahead and bring over Cindy and Patricia
15:27:19 And then, Mary Jean, good afternoon, cindy we're gonna let you go first, cause you had you came over first.
15:27:27 So. you can unmute and you'll have 3Â min for public comment.
15:27:35 Okay, Thank you. And I did want to make a clarification before I have a comment as a private citizen.
15:27:44 But my clarification first is about One of the presentations in May or the presentation in May.
15:27:51 I think from the for Us working group, and that is regarding the Dnr timber harvest data that we showed our source for what was stored in harvested wood products was straight
from T Dnr Timber Harvest
15:28:08 data specific to Jefferson County for harvested wood products.
15:28:14 So I don't know for other sources get their data. but ours is straight from the State that and they do record everything.
15:28:23 Then i'm cindy brought some speaking as a private citizen offering public comment, and I want to thank the county for your work.
15:28:30 Recently on tourist issues for letters that you sent to Dnr.
15:28:35 And for your consideration in protecting forests, for carpent sequestration and other benefits.
15:28:42 It sounds as though Commissioner friends understands that Jefferson County needs time to develop forest priorities.
15:28:51 I want to mention the document while you guys have already mentioned it.
15:28:54 Heidi mentioned it for us for the future it's an asset management strategy for a State forest lands in East Jefferson County, and it was drafted in 2011. So 11 years ago I've
walked through it and I
15:29:06 think it has a great outline, and could perhaps be updated to prioritize a forest plan.
15:29:16 It could be updated to include revised parcel evaluation criteria, such as carbon sequestration, potential, recreational potential potential for timber timber production and
whatever the group including the county of course would
15:29:35 like to include, and those criteria would correlate to parcel management options.
15:29:42 So then parcels could be evaluated using new tools which weren't available.
15:29:48 11 years ago, and when it's complete it could provide an updated list of parcels and forest management options for each parcel, and I think you're already thinking like I am
about the resources, that you could call on to
15:30:03 develop This update I might send you more suggestions later on.
15:30:09 But another item that came up during this special workshop meeting is funding of essential services and economic growth.
15:30:23 Those are important issues, too, that we don't want to we want to see the area.
15:30:28 Stay vibrant. So in that in on that topic, I want to mention an amicus brief of Ernest Miami called our benefits for more people.
15:30:39 It's from september 2021 i'm quote just one line from page 16 of that document that says: Research reaching back over several several decades indicates that a change in management
emphasis from timber
15:30:55 production to conservation and restoration likely would yield a much brighter future for jobs, incomes and overall economic activity.
15:31:04 Just 3Â min. Okay, Thank you. Thanks, Cindy. Patricia.
15:31:13 You feel like you're spending the whole day with us now, Patricia, it's amazing how much work you all do. Thank you.
15:31:20 I'm. Dr. Patricia Jones Quilts in Washington, on behalf of the Olympic Forest Coalition.
15:31:26 Speaking again this afternoon. Sorry for taking more of your time but I feel it's important.
15:31:30 I'm. speaking in support of jefferson county's process to take Dnr.
15:31:35 Up, and they're kind of offered to incorporate into their management activities.
15:31:39 Jefferson Counties priorities for our own State Boardlands, as you understand it, from comments at one of our workshops, and again this afternoon the Commission is directed.
15:31:49 Our contract for for the county, our great Valerie and Chickadee forestry, to conduct a landscape analysis.
15:31:56 By the end of the year. stay! stakeholders mentioned this morning. again.
15:32:01 This afternoon a forest report and recommendations from 2,011.
15:32:04 My organization helped to participate in that. I can offer the support of our organization again for an update.
15:32:13 Another important part of the puzzle. Well, we have. The county certainly have limited capacity.
15:32:18 We can build over time capacity by taking moderate, reasonable steps, laying the stepping stones.
15:32:25 Now I would like to respectfully request the Board of County Commissioners consider holding the workshop in 2 to 3 weeks time to receive input from stakeholders about what next
steps the county may want to consider to taking to prepare for
15:32:37 this opportunity From Dnr. there are other elected officials at the county level departments to consult, of course, in the longer term view the Treasurer Parks Department road
to others likely a bit intimidating for
15:32:51 chickade to rangle, or they might be the perfect people to get us all to focus in a no nonsense, practical way.
15:32:58 I also request Voc review the options for stand treatments from Dnr.
15:33:04 For the older forest that they plan to clear, cut this summer and receive comments, to consider how giving Dnr direction on immediate cuts this summer, including deferring permanently
unit 7, and Penny wise while the hope is not to
15:33:19 burden Dnr. with someone looking over their shoulder.
15:33:22 At the same time they're partially responsible for putting us in the situation of having to deal with this slew of controversial.
15:33:29 They knew in advance older forests rather than the other thousands of acres in their inventory.
15:33:36 Thank you, Thank you, Patricia. Mary jane and if there's. If, just before you start, if there's anybody else on the line this afternoon who would like to comment on this topic,
which is collaborative in our county force management and the
15:33:57 current timber sales. we're grappling with please raise your hand, using the raise hand Button at the bottom of the zoom screen.
15:34:04 I see Jeans coming over but if there's anyone else on the attendee list.
15:34:10 You would like to comment, Please don't hesitate to raise your hand, and with that Mary Jane, you'll have 3Â min great.
15:34:17 Thank you. just in my opinion. having followed this I I don't think you really need to do another letter today.
15:34:28 I feel like you spent so much time on your May thirty-first letter, and it just seems that you need an answer.
15:34:38 That letter said a lot to the State, and I feel like the state.
15:34:44 You You know they should be answering you. You called out
15:34:49 The need for more time your interest in a collaborative relationship.
15:34:53 You called out Beaver Valley and pennywise, and so I am not sure what is going on.
15:34:58 But I I really feel like the State should dialogue with you and give you an answer.
15:35:03 I personally heard also Commissioner Franz say that she wants them from the county with priorities, and that they will honor your plan.
15:35:12 So. I am really interested in the discussion about how to get a process together.
15:35:20 How to get the capacity assembled. Clearly the capacity exists.
15:35:24 It existed in 2,011. it's you're in. There's more capacity today, it's a matter of getting organized to take the next steps, so that you have the information that you need and
it's the
15:35:35 right geography, the right side of forest, the right value to framework.
15:35:41 And and then the right, and looking at all the different tools.
15:35:46 I hope. How do you give a plug for the trustee and transfer public comment?
15:35:52 Opportunity that's coming up on July seventh a strong tt program is very important to Jefferson County.
15:36:00 I like patricia's comments about another workshop, soon to work on scope of work.
15:36:06 Would be happy to work on that with with others.
15:36:11 To look at forest tools, treatments all the things I think Greg's comment about the there are so many things that are not binary that we have to break out of.
15:36:22 That Lastly, I just wanna say that everything i've been reading suggests there's a lot of wisdom and moving to the longer rotations.
15:36:30 However, that is not a substitute for fully functional.
15:36:34 Older forests. we wanna have old growth again. We wanna have the diverse habitat in all areas of Western Washington
15:36:47 And and we need to have some of those again for our subsequent generations.
15:36:52 So it's again. it's not it's not binary but anyway, thank you very much.
15:36:58 Thank you, Mary Jane. Good afternoon, Jean Paul. You have 3Â min.
15:37:08 Good afternoon, Commissioners. Thank you for your ongoing deep.
15:37:14 Dive into this issue. I think that his history will smile upon you for your efforts, and I know it is not an easy task.
15:37:25 If Dnr gets 20% of any given timber harvest and the timber companies get roughly free, and the county gets roughly 25%, and we are estimated to be able to do generate 10 to
15:37:49 per cent of timber sales. that sounds to me like we are really not all that far off.
15:37:59 If if all we really need to come up with if isn't getting there 25%.
15:38:05 If the timber companies are not getting their 50%, if we're trying to offset the impact to the beneficiaries of the 25% of the estimated value of the timber sale and the carbon
harvest or the
15:38:19 carbon sequestration value, credit whatever is worth 10 to 20%.
15:38:25 That that gives us a much more less intimidating burden to bear.
15:38:32 I also was very intrigued with issue that came up during that tour last week, whereby it was brought to our attention that the legislative option of allowing sales, tax increase
revenue of 2 tenths of one
15:38:49 percent could really help us with this issue, And although I love to talk some smack about raising taxes, 2 tents of 1% of sales tax, I find very compelling, and I am more than
willing to shower that
15:39:10 burden myself with my own you know purchasing power let's see.
15:39:17 I took a couple of other notes here, you know, leaders. So Commissioner Franz is looking for solutions, you, you, as leaders in the community When there are issues on your plate.
15:39:32 It is often much more constructive, for members of the community to, instead of just having an extra grind and making complaints for them to bring forth solutions.
15:39:43 And I think that's exactly what commissioner franz is looking for.
15:39:46 He's looking for us to bring her solutions so very excited about that.
15:39:50 I'm looking forward to coming up with some of these solutions, together with with you and with the community probably running low on time.
15:40:01 I you know I think this, you know they always say, is to follow the money, and if we take a considerable look, was that my 3Â min, even is your sentence?
15:40:13 Well, I you to follow the money I think it's important to understand how the the revenues flow, how the tax work with timber harvests. what the county actually receives from
that, and I probably don't have any more time
15:40:28 So thank you very much, I'll take another look at this Thanks for your comments, Jane.
15:40:35 Okay, is there anybody else who's joined us this afternoon who would like to comment on this issue?
15:40:40 Please use the raise hand button at the bottom of the zoom screen or no, only one phone number.
15:40:48 It's our old staff phone number so i'm not seeing any other hands go up.
15:40:54 I'll close public comment on this topic and see if there's any more conversation.
15:41:01 I'm I'm not sure the last jane's comments about 25%, 50%. 25%.
15:41:10 I think Dnr is administrative. Overhead fee covers the timber harvest and all of the operations.
15:41:18 So what what comes to the beneficiaries? is 75%? And then that's the calculation that our treasure and assessor have used 4 decades. So I think that's pretty accurate in terms
15:41:30 of what happens with dnr i'm not sure with other industrial timber operators.
15:41:37 You know how they the funding pie splits up Exactly.
15:41:41 But and the the 10% of revenue we're talking about is pretty analogous to 10% of what the county and the beneficiaries would get.
15:41:50 And all the analysis i've seen it's not necessarily the wholesale.
15:41:53 10% of the wholesale were really compared to the revenue through the timber.
15:42:01 Trying to think of anything else came up for me
15:42:08 Yeah, I don't feel like I don't feel like we need to send another letter.
15:42:14 I heard that and you have a time scheduled with the Nrt.
15:42:22 No, we were gonna do that after today i'm communicating with stuff.
15:42:26 But I, I said in the afternoon around 1 30 so cause that's the only real timestamp we have in the afternoon and he was going to watch this segment of our meeting today to make
his comments as appeal
15:42:41 to the questions and issues that we're grappling with so yup, cause I did.
15:42:49 I'll just reiterate what I said which I think I heard in public comment, too, which is, I think we need to to start thinking about how we want to create a strategy to take to
Dnr:
15:42:59 Yeah, and so that's my my interest is starting to map that out, and I agree with that strategy.
15:43:06 I think that strategy is after penny wise and beaver.
15:43:11 0 Valley sorts. I mean I I just think that we should let those sales minus, you know, one of Beer Valley sorts.
15:43:17 That those sales containers use
15:43:24 Do we know for certain the status of the Bnr.
15:43:31 Agenda on the fifth. Good 8. Do we know?
15:43:32 Do we know what is it penny wise is back yeah. it's on there. I mean it's it's on their website I can share?
15:43:44 But it appears as though they are not causing that
15:43:50 They start request, just looking for the
15:44:12 Okay.
15:44:13 Okay, let's see screen again.
15:44:19 Screen, 2
15:44:26 So are you seeing the summary of proposed board sales? Yeah. Okay.
15:44:32 So very small, though. Okay, Let's see zoom zoom Zoom Zoom.
15:44:41 Anyways, Jefferson
15:44:53 And that's the acreage that's been in the timber sale documents huh?
15:45:05 Average age 98 years old. Yeah.
15:45:12 I mean the only, you know, after my walk with Mike.
15:45:15 The only thing. I would even propose we ask is about for a look at unit 7, but I think I mean 7 is like half of it.
15:45:25 I think it's it's a the largest unit by far I don't know what that does to scale
15:45:34 And unit. One was like half of Beaver Valley starts as well.
15:45:41 Oh, was it? I thought it was a smaller, just older, smaller section.
15:45:44 No, it was a bigger, bigger unit in the sale. It was interesting.
15:45:50 Mike mike's when we looked at the b revised towards I had the timber sale documents with us, and you see this you said to see this little round unit that's an osbournes circle
I put up 25 years ago.
15:46:02 you know and that's Why, it's a little circular Oh, you can't see me right now, it's a little circular unit.
15:46:09 Oh, hmm! I wondered what happened, though. is there a lot of Osbourne around Turbul Lake, and that's been yeah clear cut.
15:46:18 You love our aspirin like Weland.
15:46:21 Nice beautiful what's interesting that bever valley is not on here, and Penny wise is leads me to believe there kind of Vnr is considering half of our request to pause on fever
Valley but not on any
15:46:42 wise So maybe that the suggestion of it writing another letter is, you know, that we would.
15:46:51 It looks as though we would need to up our our support for pausing or canceling that sale.
15:47:01 Because it's still under consideration and I think i'm a nice to see what i've been saying.
15:47:11 I think i'm supportive of us letting these go and doubling down on coming up with the plan the plan that there's they're asking us to come up with doing a workshop with Mallory
and other you
15:47:25 know interested stakeholders, men and rg potentially. and Dnr.
15:47:32 Let me. It would be great to get some Dnr.
15:47:35 And maybe Mike cronin you know if he's app for up to it, you know, he was part of the voice for the future effort.
15:47:42 I read through the part of that at lunch. but really getting the best minds around the table and coming up with a plan.
15:47:50 I feel like it's gonna take more time than I ever imagined.
15:47:56 But I don't think it's gonna take an inordinate amount of time.
15:48:08 Yeah, I like kate's idea of of you know, perhaps using some of the kind of the extraordinary pill revenue that we that we received. It seems like I can't think of a better use
for it than
15:48:13 to to bankroll that strategic planning. And I I agree with you. how you that we should let these 2 sales go.
15:48:21 Does that mean that we should communicate something with Dnr?
15:48:24 I mean we that cause I mean the last thing we said was, Hey, hold off on these.
15:48:31 They're apparently holding off on one of them but if you know we as a board are setting our our eyes farther on the horizon.
15:48:40 I think we should look them up. Well, and i've said that individually in my walk around with Wayne Emmons, who's now? the State acting State? land manager and angus's absence.
15:48:52 I just said it. I feel like we need more time than then.
15:48:55 We likely have with this pause, that we have going right now.
15:49:02 But if we wanna formalize that, but I mean I feel like I want
15:49:11 I I like Kate want them to come to the table and participate with us.
15:49:16 But i've in every I mean i've been going to so many Dnr meetings lately like the morning late early in the morning late at night. I mean it's like i've been spending a lot of
my time
15:49:23 with them, and They're having similar capacity issues that we're having, I don't know which be in our meeting I was at. but there the Olympic region is way under staffed right
now because they cause people can't find housing
15:49:37 out there. you know it's the same issue that we're confronting here.
15:49:42 So it's you know I wow we feel like there's this pressure right now.
15:49:49 It actually may take them longer to operate these sales I don't know.
15:49:56 So I would just like more like practice. Tactical information.
15:50:01 But I here are junior taxing districts, and, like, I said earlier, some of our junior taxing districts really rely on this revenue.
15:50:11 Others don't budget for it. others budget like 10% of what they might expect.
15:50:19 That's what Monty is done in the past for the county So there's different practices for how people handle planning for
15:50:30 This revenue, but I feel like I said it earlier, that the irony is not lost on me, that we are fighting.
15:50:41 Fires with our timber, but coming into the season we're coming into and seeing what happened in Chimicum last week, and you know It's just like, oh, not the time to be reducing
any funding our fire
15:51:00 districts are getting well. Then I mean, would you be receptive to a motion allowing the chair to maybe write another letter to Dnr.
15:51:11 You know, to to that effect. I mean we got a lot I mean We, as you say, they've got any wise coming up.
15:51:20 They're either gonna be? You don't have beaver Val? We were Mallie swords, so I mean, what what do we communicate to them?
15:51:28 We don't wanna communication is a 2 way street. so we we should let them know where we are asking me to proceed with any wise same saying that we understand that they need to
proceed with these timber sales.
15:51:47 They have plan in the near term, while we figure out what our plan is for the long haul, and then we want them to sit down.
15:51:56 We want to sit down at the table with them as we develop our strategy.
15:52:00 I don't want to be in this adversarial kind of We want to collaborate with you and then suit by, you know.
15:52:08 Shoot boats across the bow. I don't wanna have to keep saying, you know, jumping up and down and stop stop! Stop!
15:52:16 Stop! stop! stop! stop! stop! stop! stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop! stop! stop! stop! stop, stop, stop, stop!
15:52:20 Stop, stop, stop! stop! stop when What we really want is a is a really good long term strategy, and I feel like
15:52:26 We have the collaborative will right now, and I want to build that into something real.
15:52:34 I would I would be less inclined to write another letter just because I think that there's some whip lab and unclear, I worry that it It complicates it further.
15:52:49 I feel we we made a statement, and but we are not pushing it.
15:52:53 We're not continuing to say stop the sale we see it's on the agenda.
15:52:57 It very well might go through. I know the Dnr.
15:53:00 Is managing much more than we can understand their complexities to this on their end, that we don't understand.
15:53:05 So if that sale goes through that is because there are things at play and in motion, that I don't pretend to understand
15:53:13 But I I think that we we potentially lose some face as a a a a partner in yeah flopping.
15:53:22 I don't think that that puts us in a strong position to advocate for our strategy in the future. Yeah, I don't, and I don't feel like we're flipping. I feel like we're we're
collecting. information.
15:53:37 We end. We have a greater understanding. Now of the amount of work they've put into those timber sales.
15:53:42 I mean that was one thing that greg and I got very clearly at Timber School was that there's already been years worth of work put into these 2 timber sales?
15:53:50 And I don't necessarily feel like we need to send another letter, but I feel like we need to start engaging with them as the collaborative partners that we imagine being together
I mean i'm happy to reach out to
15:54:06 Duane again, I call him and say, we understand that you need.
15:54:11 We see we see penny wise on the agenda for the Bnr. meeting.
15:54:18 We don't you know I can say I don't like the thought of losing some old growth in Jefferson East Jefferson County, and especially Unit 7, and I could say say exactly what I
feel cause that's what I feel but I
15:54:29 also understand that you need to go forward with the work you've been planning and I mean i'm happy to have that conversation, and say that we're really wanting to double down
and come up with a plan in
15:54:44 partnership with Dnr. for the future of our State force, transfer trust lands and build on the work that was done 10 to 11 years ago.
15:54:54 With this report for us for the future and then the next thing we should do is pull together a so steering group or a focus no steering group to lead this effort, and it should
be made up of you know hopefully current
15:55:11 Dnr staff. but Mike Cronin too, cause he's with historical knowledge for this county on all of these timber stands, and Mallory and Catherine Copis, and scientists who've been
providing us
15:55:25 with, you know. some people think we're getting this crazy greenwashed information.
15:55:31 Now we're just getting like stand-age information and maps, and you know, representation in the force industry as well.
15:55:39 Well, I I think that he'd be a great sort of leader in our communication there, and I I think that I don't think that it's flip-flopping.
15:55:54 Saying we're, you know, you know you understand our concerns.
15:55:57 You can, you know, Do what you need to do. We appreciate you, honoring your fuuciary duty to the beneficiaries, and we would love to you know.
15:56:08 Sit in a table with you and other Stakeholders and really understand? understand the plan together and work on a plan a little with with our values for how you manage lands
and Jefferson County I think that's that's
15:56:20 fantastic. But, I guess I encourage you to say, or maybe we should take.
15:56:28 Take it. Make a motion to say you know we understand these there's a lot of some costs already into these 2 projects.
15:56:36 I appreciate you taking unit one off and and you know, sharing your independent happy to say all that stuff again.
15:56:44 I've already said that to doing then as representing right?
15:56:50 Yeah, I just I think that taking, you know, if if anybody is speaking for the board that would need to be, we would need to take action on it, and that the you know, having
a phone call with one person is different than changing our position and a letter that
15:57:13 was written to leadership at Dr as well as the board of Natural Resources.
15:57:17 I just think it's a little I I would say we need to do one or the other either.
15:57:24 Write a letter to everyone that we already wrote a letter to cause they're the ones who are going to be making decisions, and that i'm not willing to support right now.
15:57:32 But yeah, I I think kind of put somebody in awkward position to say, Oh, well, you know it'd be nr to say, Oh, well, that they change their minds. but we didn't you know both
go so far as
15:57:46 to to send them all that information I I again I just it's
15:57:53 I think it's not, I think, we either need to go out the way and write a letter to all the same people.
15:57:57 We already rolled it to changing our position or we need to do nothing.
15:58:03 I've been fine with a personal phone call but if it's position of the entire.
15:58:07 If our entire board, then we need to take action. and then it's weird to not communicate that to all of the decision makers.
15:58:14 What I guess I don't see it I mean I I take your point, Kate.
15:58:16 I don't disagree I just I think the board has changed its mind about the short term action. so I guess And if you 2 have that's I that's fine yeah, well, I think we've learned
a
15:58:33 ton that have helped inform an adjustment. and I don't even feel like is really an adjustment, or course, I didn't realize that the at the very beginning of this adventure,
on april fourth how much
15:58:47 work went into each of those timber sales I mean that's just one piece of information that I didn't realize And then I I didn't also realize that they'd already pulled unit
one because because of
15:59:00 input they'd gotten before until april fifth when I went to the Bnr meeting and hurting is say that you know, and it's it's like been a lot of learning as we go but I also am
glad that
15:59:14 We've done this learning and I don't feel like a flip Flopper.
15:59:19 I feel like i'm respectful of what i've learned and heard from, and i'm i'm also hopeful, and I feel I would feel really disappointed if they weren't gonna partner with us on
whatever plan
15:59:35 we, we we come up with going forward, and I would like to develop a really good plan for our forests, and I think we still probably need them.
15:59:48 You know. I mean we we're starting with seth next week. but we need to learn a lot more about different schools of thought of timber management right now.
15:59:57 Yeah, I agree. I I just think it's in terms of good faith, negotiation to to change our position at the last minute and not communicate that really clearly about decision makers
is in poor form, and that that is not a good way
16:00:12 to enter into collaborative decision, making I think we need to understand by what we do, or or go all the way the other way.
16:00:18 And i'm not sure I can support that but that's okay. We are a board of 3 that's Why, there are 3 of us. I don't think we're going all the way up all the way.
16:00:27 The other way. I mean I think most of the paragraph so that that me*st letter or still stand it's just.
16:00:35 It's really about horizon as far as i'm concerned.
16:00:40 So I guess i'll move that we we draft another letter that we the chair sends to Dnr reinforcing our our our desire for partnership and and planning a strategic management plan
for
16:00:58 Jefferson County Trust lands, but releasing our removing our request to defer the Beaver Valley sports and any wise timber sales.
16:01:09 I'm i'll second that i'm happy to write that letter I mean based on everything every conversation I've had the conversations I've had over the last 2 and a half months.
16:01:26 I think I think the work ahead is the work I agree and you know i'll all the advocates that we've been working with on on both sides of the issue.
16:01:37 I agree with everything, you know it's like there's It's not A. it's not a it's not a black and white issue, as I said earlier. there's not this is not a binary decision process
this is what are we where do we want
16:01:48 to be in 50 years. Yeah, I agree, like I said, by my concern, is more process oriented that that we, I I fear that we lose some face.
16:02:01 In, and as collaborative partners in this, just you know, in my conversations with leadership at Dnr.
16:02:10 It was like, you know, they wanna know what We want and it's like little tolerance for indecision like if you, we we need to come to the table with with a strong strategy. and
this I just feel like this is
16:02:24 starting off that process. I feel that yeah and I'll, i'll just say I feel the opposite, because based on the conversations I've had.
16:02:34 Yeah, they want us to come up with a plan and they've also conveyed how much time they've already put into these timber sales, and how they've already taken Some of the older
stands out and you know taken
16:02:45 into consideration. you know, habitat considerations and ad nauseam.
16:02:51 I've heard you know the work that dnr's done but I also have said in almost every form I've been in with them.
16:03:00 I am a tree hugger. I do not want to see old trees cut down.
16:03:03 I wanna come up with a really productive path forward, and I said it today, I mean I i'm interested in unit 7 of of penny wise. them taking a look at that.
16:03:13 But I don't you know it's like us telling like we start tinkering in other people's business.
16:03:21 Just feels that feels unfair to me too my I mean I agree with Heidi that in my conversations with Dnr.
16:03:29 I don't think he would be seen as a bad faith part of negotiating.
16:03:32 I think we'd appreciate the the nuance and I guess one other thing is that you know thinking about Mills and the whole ecosystem that it goes through.
16:03:43 You know, Commissioner Franz was talking about yeah there's very few mills left that can take larger Diameter Wood, and because of some of the decisions they're making like
this there's been one of the last ones is going to close down and Walk from
16:03:55 county right and then you know maybe some people would say that's good that we can't process the larger wood.
16:04:02 But there's there's still a market for it people certainly like, you know, not free plywood, and and you know I mean we don't want to start importing old growth wood from from
Canada is kind of just
16:04:15 lengthen that carbon footprint. I think so, I guess.
16:04:19 But we have a We have a motion on the floor don't we sorry any more discussion on this motion.
16:04:29 I guess process would be. I mean, do you want? Do you want to try to get it?
16:04:34 A draft done today, so we can look at it. I mean, if we do vote this way.
16:04:39 I imagine I think I suggest you just the chair sign it so it doesn't doesn't look like a unanimous vote as we do.
16:04:52 We're gonna draft letter I mean i'm really gonna rely on our May 30 first letter.
16:04:57 Yeah. and it stands, I think, except different. These 2 upfront sales.
16:05:03 Right,
16:05:12 Any more discussion on this motion, all in favor. Hi! hi! all opposed.
16:05:21 They? Okay, motion passes with this one majority. yeah okay, I never like it.
16:05:41 When we can't come to an agreement me neither I know sort of a healthy democracy.
16:05:50 Probably good that we don't always agree so the last. The then the next item under additional discussion items is review of board and committee vacancies, and I felt like I
just wanted to pull out that and I I chatted with
16:06:09 Julie about this this morning, but we have our 2 planning commission vacancies, one for district, 2 and one for district 3.
16:06:16 We've actually gotten a number of applicants for each position and I didn't understand the the process, and I I came into Greg with the new girl question earlier today. i'm
just like what's the process for appointing
16:06:29 planning commissioners, so I thought it would be good to talk a little bit this afternoon about that.
16:06:35 And then there isn't there isn't a district one vacancy right now.
16:06:39 But, Kate, you had the longest historical knowledge of our our practices around here.
16:06:45 So what my understanding is is that we forward all of those applications to the planning commission, and they return a prop post appointee to the Commissioners.
16:07:00 Is that what you've seen done in the past well I think the the tricky thing is that what's been done in the past is, if someone wishes to continue their term, they have largely
just been allowed to you know put
16:07:16 that forward on to our consent agenda. So I think, yeah, I think the question is, Do we wish to revisit that process and have there be a competitive process?
16:07:29 In that. In that situation and I think there's a lot of value in that. it's funny.
16:07:34 I actually applied for the planning commission many years ago, and got a call from the Dcb.
16:07:40 Director and said Well, you know there's the person who's who's in that position.
16:07:43 If plans to continue So it's we're you know it's kind of the posting is kind of disingenuous.
16:07:52 And yeah. they weren't actually gonna consider my application and I think I had already put a fair amount of work into it.
16:07:58 It's a flawed process. and yeah it can be very hard not to appoint someone who has served for a long time and have a lot of expertise.
16:08:07 And yet we also know the value of bringing in new perspective.
16:08:10 So you know, I think we we should really consider that historic practice.
16:08:16 If that's if we wanna stick with that or not and be more clear with the public when we're advertising.
16:08:21 Okay, Well, that's and that's good we just I didn't know what the practice, and then so So in one case we do have a sitting planning commissioner who's expressed interest in
being seated again in the and
16:08:33 the other seat. We don't necessarily we we have an indication she may be interested in Greg's gonna follow up.
16:08:39 But I just wanna make sure that we're sending clear messages and sticking to whatever practice or process we've done in the past. I don't know if we want to be more explicit
about it.
16:08:50 Going forward. and I think it's right that we should be more explicit about it.
16:08:55 That's certainly the past practice that i've i've experienced here, and I I don't see a reason to change that practice.
16:09:01 But I understand that you know being being an applicant that that isn't in that seat.
16:09:07 It certainly doesn't seem like an equal process right Yeah, So that said, we also have a couple of seats on the Piss board right now.
16:09:21 Do we stick with planning commission, though, because I think it's okay. i'm a little confused Greg, You said you don't see a need to change your process.
16:09:29 I mean I it's I think it's a little disingenuous to change the process, you know, without notifying people, too.
16:09:34 I mean cause that's the way if I was on the planning commission.
16:09:37 I would expect that I could in most seats, I think, almost in any seat.
16:09:42 If there is someone who is already in it they get deference unless there's a reason not to.
16:09:49 So I I I I don't know I Guess I don't necessarily see a reason to change it.
16:09:54 But I also see how it it looks different from you know the other side of the land. so I don't have a a strong feeling.
16:10:02 It just. you know. sometimes tradition is, is what guides your current process.
16:10:09 But I think being explicit about that would be a better, a better process.
16:10:12 As we go forward. But in that case, I mean, if we were explicit, and the policy were, if you were seated, see the kind of Commissioner in this case, and wanted to stay, on that
you would that looks like a lifetime
16:10:25 appointment. So you decide to step off. Yeah, it would be chilling the other applicants, too.
16:10:31 Right.
16:10:34 So I mean we could just yeah I don't know we we didn't post it as if there was deference given to setting members.
16:10:44 It's just I don't know it's tough Well, I think it's good that we have this conversation, and you know, decide what we want our process to be So that we're in yeah, and should
probably work with
16:11:00 DCD. also on this since I don't have a a position up this year.
16:11:09 Do you want me to work with rent? and probably Joel, as the staff Person, DCD.
16:11:13 And or task mark, too, either way, just to to try to come to some agreement on a policy that would be great.
16:11:21 Just know that the extended planning commission spots were extended till June thirtieth.
16:11:28 So 3 days from now. and I guess usually DCD.
16:11:35 Makes a recommendation to us right I don't I don't feel like we've been sorting through these in the past.
16:11:41 No So in the past which is, you know, under Pbs director.
16:11:47 When there was they can see in my district the director would come to me and say, Hey, there's this term is expiring.
16:11:55 This person would like to continue. Do you want them to continue?
16:12:02 And the, and generally because it always had been continued, because that has been the past practice.
16:12:09 It it was you know. it would be very hard to say.
16:12:13 No, I think we should re consider that like you know that's really a vote of no confidence in that you know it's a very personal process versus opening it up and having an actual
kind of fair and competitive process So that's a lot, of
16:12:28 work for folks, and you know I mean in that process you could give value to past experience.
16:12:36 That that is a you know I don't know that we need to go through a scoring and ranking like It seems to be a lot of work, but you know that we do recognize that
16:12:48 Pass participation is valuable and bring expertise likely, and even in that informal process it was still DCD.
16:12:55 That made the nomination right? Nope: who was just on the consent agenda. Yeah.
16:13:04 So. so you know people can apply. And are you through our usual application and
16:13:11 But again, in my experience, the director would come and talk to me and say, you know, get these other applicants that this person's been doing it.
16:13:18 Do you want, you know, wish to consider unseating that person, or what I mean?
16:13:24 What would have been the past practice Do you think if the current seat wasn't interested, and there were 3 other applicants who would who would make the recommendation in the
past.
16:13:35 Let's see, I think the I think the director has spoken with the commissioners about the applicants, and maybe given difference to the the Commissioner from that district.
16:13:50 So none of this has happened thus far right so we just have these 5 applicants and you know.
16:14:00 No one there's been no process out laid out to us Yeah.
16:14:05 And I think You know. maybe with a new director it's a good time to to think about how how we wanna do this most fairly absolutely.
16:14:16 So There's also the the director comic maybe makes me think of things like Maybe there's there's a parks and racket. They they there's 2 parks and back rack vacancies one in
district one and
16:14:28 one in District 3. Is it as do we want a similar process with Matt?
16:14:34 Where we say, you know, do we? do We want to outline kind of a general standing operator, standard operating procedure for filling board and commission vacancies?
16:14:47 It's a planning Commission is very different they actually have powers way more than advisory, so I think it's worth considering.
16:14:54 A more yeah stringent or careful process with planning question.
16:15:03 Then for other boards. Carolyn just pointed out of a resolution that depicts filling in vacant positions.
16:15:11 So I mean, even in the the title of that.
16:15:16 That resolution without even looking at it. implies that if There's a seated member that wants to maintain it.
16:15:21 Deference is given right because it wouldn't be a vacant planning commission.
16:15:28 Yeah. just a a section of that resolution that pulled out.
16:15:32 Okay, good Commissioners, I might remind you that some time ago
16:15:38 We had a couple of applicants for a position, and and they actually came to an in person board meeting and who spoke to the board, and then the board decided of those 2, which
to a point, and I think that's the first time i've seen
16:15:54 that done, And so coming up with a consistent process, I think, makes makes good sense
16:16:10 And we do it for board of equalization. but I don't think we've ever done that for planning commission.
16:16:14 I think it would be great to have some standard operating procedures.
16:16:19 Just a one page like, you know, this is the process.
16:16:25 I think this is a great conversation that we should be having, and because these are super valuable members of our team, and I think it would be so more respectful for them
and and potential members of boards and committees if we had a
16:16:41 process that they could follow. I mean, I think term limits might be a good idea, too.
16:16:52 Yeah, and I mean planning commissions can be and i'm not saying this about ours at all, but they can be a source of a lot of chronism and you know it's good to to refresh occasionally,
and
16:17:05 that dynamic they will say, too, I think I think we should give different boards.
16:17:13 The ability to operate differently to just given the difference.
16:17:19 Powers. technical resolution that carolyn said it was already repealed and replaced.
16:17:24 Yeah, i'm i'm so gotcha okay do you find it laserfish or in our searchable list of resolution.
16:17:34 So I was just looking at planning commission. Yeah, 54 97 repealed and replaced it bye.
16:17:40 Don't see a newer one of that but i'm still looking into it.
16:17:43 And then I can review it with you guys, and later, Thank you.
16:17:47 And can you remind me, Carolyn, where you keep that search of a list?
16:17:51 Is that in and the Bcc. Groupfuler under resolutions, and then searchable list of all resolutions.
16:17:58 So I just I just type in the plan commission thank you yeah that's all I find.
16:18:03 So the the newest one, would be 54, 97.
16:18:06 But that portion of that resolution doesn't seem like It appears that it changed so. Kate.
16:18:14 What I heard you say before, though, is you are willing to work with Brent on the process for these current planning commission vacancies and get I don't want to keep Mark out
of that process if he should be involved. in it.
16:18:27 Too, and this is it does end up being the commissioners.
16:18:31 Votes but appointments. but so up to you Mark, if you want to be hi, you're working board.
16:18:41 I have no objections to you working with Brent. Okay, on a on a board.
16:18:47 Yeah, thank you. So I would just say julie's doing a really great job of keeping the list of vacancies updated on our county website.
16:18:59 So if you ever have a question of which vacancies there are in your district, it's pretty darn current, and you can take a look.
16:19:07 We each have a number of season that need to be felled.
16:19:14 But we will stand by Kate for for guidance from you, from your conversation with Brent on these planning commission vacancies, did. you guys see the the Chamber email that went
out.
16:19:29 I was really glad they pushed that out. So you know, we could keep in mind, too, If there are, you know, groups that we could be, they could be helping us amplify, because a
good one Yeah.
16:19:48 Okay, Anything else on board and committee vacancies
16:19:56 Okay, any any additional discussion items. This is the additional discussion items portion of the agenda.
16:20:05 I don't think you ever gave us your briefing and we didn't do calendaring.
16:20:07 I don't know if we want to spend 10Â min doing that, and we didn't hear from Mark either by this past week.
16:20:12 Okay, I can do my briefing pretty
16:20:21 Last Tuesday we had the transit meeting, and it was.
16:20:25 It was a skeleton crew, with Greg and
16:20:29 Ben and I but felt like a good meeting met with Gary Keyster at the old apple alcohol plan about some questions he had about Grant.
16:20:42 How grants get distributed to Jefferson county and then to housing organizations in the community, and mark's mark's done some follow-up work on that, so i'm hoping to reply
to Gary this
16:20:53 week. trustline transfer working group. the working group was extended. Now i'm in a third working group to run the pilot of the Trust Plan transfer.
16:21:10 Program, and we, I think, are hoping to have that pilot wrapped up so that we have a list for the Legislature by September, and it looks like Devil's Lake in district 3 will
be on
16:21:26 the list. So good news. Yeah. And I noticed in looking at this forest for the future report today that trust land transfer was mentioned a lot in that report.
16:21:38 So I as as I mentioned earlier, toward Beaver Valley sorts, with Mike Cronin, which was probably the best. 2Â h I spent last week dealing with some issues around the straight
ern lao and there was this pot
16:21:57 of funding that the we had heard that the straight the lis.
16:22:03 We're gonna get an extra $500,000 over the next 4 years to do projects.
16:22:09 And now that money has been scooped back by the sound partnership, hire Grant writers to reg Grant right for the L.
16:22:18 Ios are up in arms right now, so saying that out loud for Kate's benefit, mostly because she might be hearing about this, too.
16:22:25 But felt like a hot button. last week yeah I think there's some lack of clarity. how much that was Epa's direction. you know It's their money that goes to the partnership, and
They have always
16:22:36 wanted the implementation to be more strategic, not disperse, you know.
16:22:43 Smaller, like a 1,000 small projects. You know the the same thing.
16:22:48 We go through with the the you know better spread than versus like more strategic.
16:22:53 And using that money specifically to leverage more the Federal funds.
16:22:57 From the ija. So that was the chunk of the intense, and I know that Lios are not happy with that.
16:23:07 But I it does there's a reason at least and even a good reason.
16:23:14 But it's it it definitely is the slap in the face, and having another call about that this week the day after tomorrow.
16:23:27 So trust line transfer Conservation Round Table meeting.
16:23:37 And then I made a presentation of the Democrats meeting.
16:23:40 Regarding all of these recent actions around Forestry and I was part of that with Patricia Jones Mom, she that included myself and Peter Goldman
16:23:53 From Seattle. he's an Attorney that's worked on the All the people case against Dnr right now, and Stephen Crop and Peter Bales.
16:24:04 So we were the panel, and it was about forestry issues in general, but included conversations about, or an item about our conversations around these timber sales and kind of
long term management of our State force.
16:24:19 Transfer lands in Jefferson County, so that felt like productive outreach.
16:24:23 And then, as you know, I was out on friday getting rear ended, and came back from Schedule Valley yesterday to heat and willty plants.
16:24:38 So that's my my last week. mark do you want to tell us what you did last week.
16:24:45 Yeah, yeah. my week was short. We had the juneteenth holiday on the twentieth, and then most of the day spent with the board on
16:24:56 On Tuesday then on Wednesday heidi!
16:25:06 And I met with Steve Worthington from Brothman to talk about the Central Services director, recruitment, and we agreed on
16:25:17 The important things to put in the announcement to the world, which will go out, I believe, on July fifth.
16:25:26 And then I attended the the Housing Fund Board meeting and then on Thursday we had Jeff com 9, 1 one Heidi and I did agenda prep.
16:25:38 For today. And then I had a meeting with Josh Peters to talk, and and Sarah Melonson to talk about the planning supervisor position in in DCD.
16:25:50 And how to go about filling that internally. and then I was off on Friday so short week.
16:25:59 Great we have 5Â min left. Do you want to look at the week ahead?
16:26:04 Everybody gets a minute and a quarter who wants to go first?
16:26:10 Okay, maybe just let's see if there's anything that's might be conflicting
16:26:15 We all got invited to the ribbon cutting for the opening of the new safer to school, and I think so long as we're not all they're talking business.
16:26:25 We can all be there just time, and just be there and not be saying anything.
16:26:31 Maybe he, if there was an official role, you could take that yeah i've already taken the Mc.
16:26:35 Role also great. So I just maybe announce that I plan to be there too, but will be just a happy participant.
16:26:43 That's not this week, but next week, right I do have a conflict on a sixth.
16:26:47 Unfortunately So i'm just looking for conflicts or things that will I mean, I've got a a the full week of meetings, but I don't think anything I need to go over in such a short
16:27:07 time. If anyone else has anything they wanna call out, Go for it!
16:27:10 You know I have mostly just small meetings not too crazy of a week.
16:27:15 Couple of things to call out you know we're co-sponsoring with housing solutions, network and community build, and others the under the tent conversation that's open to the
public on on Thursday from 4 to 6 and before that at
16:27:29 the same location there's a tool sale to benefit the community build project.
16:27:34 So if you got old tools that, you don't need bring them by, if you need some old tools, come by, I've got no tools, I cherish more than my you know, grandpa's old tools that
seem to be just
16:27:43 last forever. So I think there'll be a lot of good deals, and it goes to a great to a great cause.
16:27:52 And then also in the on the housing thing going to an in person.
16:27:57 Everyone housed action collaborative with olympic community of health, which who are?
16:28:04 Because, as they you know look around that's the issue that that really comes to the for. so it's a health issue as we've talked about as well.
16:28:12 So There'll be a open to the public at one o'clock on Wednesday via zoom or or in person at Los Angeles at the I don't know where it is 2 40 West Front Street I don't know
16:28:24 what building that is. How are you digging i'm sorry Armory?
16:28:31 Maybe. Oh, yeah, I think it is the Armory building there.
16:28:32 And then yeah, those are. Those are the high points for me.
16:28:38 My 1Â min update. Mark, do you have any conflicts or anything you need coverage for or me?
16:28:48 No. Okay. Did you want me to run through my way week?
16:28:54 Sure. Okay, quickly. So hi Commission commissioners, Heidi handed me a letter or an email from Kara Cardinal from the straight ecosystem recovery network.
16:29:09 Asking if we would be interested in replacing the Jamestowns.
16:29:14 Klan as the the contract administrator for a contract of about 500,000 over the next 4 years.
16:29:23 I'm meeting with roseanne carol and Michael Mark are new.
16:29:31 A grand administrator to discuss taking over management of that. if we were to do that, and if we were to charge our county head rate of 15
16:29:42 That would cover a quarter of the cost of michael's position, and that that was one of the things we hope to accomplish when we hired him was to have the administrative portion
of the grants that he would help
16:29:51 us secure, cover his entire salary and benefits cost.
16:29:56 So step one on that front tomorrow and Then 18 meeting at 2 o'clock, and we're we're having Chief Black attend that to talk about a number of topics of interest to the 4 4 governments
done
16:30:13 on a Wednesday we have a bunch of Committee meeting and then i'm meeting with Rosanna and Judy Shepherd and Stacey parade, and and others to do a review of schedule 6
16:30:26 which is part of our annual financial report that the State Auditor will ultimately audit
16:30:34 Then on Thursday, agenda prep. with heidi.
16:30:38 In the afternoon casual brown project team meeting in the morning at 1030, and then, of course, off again on Friday, hey?
16:30:50 Yeah. and I i'll be doing substantial work this this week, getting the least with an option to purchase the the for oly cap regarding the mill road properties.
16:31:06 Any last questions. comments. bots for the good of the order it's 4, 31 carolyn's gonna cut us off soon, for tool.
16:31:16 Now. Nope, I don't think so market just so You know The I asked for clarification or input from other counties at the Wassac meeting today.
16:31:30 About edc contracts. That How much we need to do close for State auditing for Federal for the our phone that went to small business.