HomeMy WebLinkAboutclosed_caption09:01:16 But it's not quite 9 o'clock yet
09:01:45 Okay, it's 9 o'clock 9 o'clock on my phones and my computer.
09:01:52 So I will call this July fifth, 2022 meeting of the Jefferson County Board of Commissioners to order.
09:02:01 Good morning, everyone. i'll just start off by saying I was super thankful for the rain on the third, and a little bit of rain yesterday morning, and
09:02:14 My phone was ringing off the hook most of yesterday with fireworks reports.
09:02:21 So my Fourth of July was not quiet in any way.
09:02:24 Anyway. So does anyone else have anything they want to say for the good of the order before we open public comment just that I'm having technical issues, and M.
09:02:36 Here, and maybe at a break i'll try restarting my computer to bring my camera back.
09:02:39 But I can see it here. Everybody great. Okay, So as we do every Monday morning that this week is a Tuesday, we start off our mornings with public comment, and we look forward
to hearing from folks in the community I see a few hands raised on the
09:02:56 attendee list, and so you can, as a few people already know right make public comment by using the raise hand button at the bottom of the zoom screen.
09:03:09 Or if you're on the phone by pressing star 9 and then when we bring you over Star 6 to unmute
09:03:18 So you would just mind clarifying about the no shooting zone, if if you'll take public comment during that that part of the meeting or not, I had a question about that from
a constituent, or if they should do public
09:03:29 comment during this section. Well, since this is an initial discussion about that, no shooting zone, it's not a hearing I think.
09:03:39 Excuse me, I think we won't take public comment during that agenda item today.
09:03:46 So yeah, Sorry if someone is here wishing to make public comment about the discussion and potential action regarding establishing a proposed greater, jolly way and silver very
place.
09:03:58 No shooting area. Please raise your hand now. and make your comments this morning.
09:04:07 Okay, there are quite a few people on the call there's a one call on the line ending in 9 5 3.
09:04:12 I'll allow that person to speak star 6 to unmute and you'll have 3Â min
09:04:23 There, there you go you're on muted good morning. my name is Rosa von Solace, and i'm here with also Chris black we leave in Silverbury 1 68 and the reason why we are
09:04:38 supporting these requests. it's basically security we we like to do outside activities.
09:04:45 We walk and we ride i our bikes to town and to different.
09:04:51 Yeah, Larry Scott, trail and it's really we feel unsecure, knowing that at any time or any day it can be just somebody that can just be some neighbors could be just shooting
and it's really
09:05:09 difficult to know where is the direction and or where the shoots are coming on.
09:05:15 Thank you for your comment. You There was another person, she said.
09:05:20 It was present on the line. Did that person wish to speak?
09:05:24 Yes, give me just 1Â s. Chris.
09:05:30 I'm here I have 3 yeah security is a big issue for us.
09:05:40 Yeah, the the shooting is is we don't know if the direction is okay.
09:05:46 We like to walk in in the area. Thank you for your comments.
09:05:55 So we'll start bringing other folks over and well, when you get unneeded, you'll have 3Â min for public comment.
09:06:06 I brought over Cass, Jean Ball. Good morning, Commissioners.
09:06:16 Can you hear me? Yeah, We can hear you jean good morning, Jean Bulk.
09:06:21 We'll see in I I can't help but to be deeply disappointed in the actions taken by the board last week with regards to the legacy Forests harvest, and I get it you.
09:06:39 Know I get it. but I had this sense that we are charging a credit card that is driving this into bankruptcy, and sooner or later you've got to pay that bill, and you can't just
keep buying new
09:06:56 shoes and a new car on your credit card and never pay the damn bill.
09:07:01 Sooner or later you're gonna lose your house we're all gonna lose our homes and to give in to the pressures to fund the the beneficiaries at the expense of the environment.
09:07:17 And the future seems to me incredibly shortsighted, and 2 to just cave in and not stand firm.
09:07:31 And to allow these pressures to dictate our actions instead of doing the right damn thing, is so deeply disappointing to me.
09:07:41 I don't even have kids and i'm fighting to preserve and protect an environment for future generations.
09:07:53 That my non-existent children will never enjoy or benefit from. I.
09:08:02 What I hear is you admitting to yourselves and to the entire world, and to future generations that you're unwilling to do the right thing, and that you're aware of the impacts
and that the the seduction of
09:08:16 doing business as usual outweighs your knowledge that we're essentially charging that credit card to satisfy to satisfy a demand for immediate gratification.
09:08:31 And I just i'm so deeply disappointed I'm very grateful for a very rainy Fourth of July.
09:08:44 Hallelujah for that at least. Thank you, Commissioners.
09:08:51 Thank you, Jane. I think We'll have Patricia next, and then it looks like linda's in queue.
09:08:58 After that. Good morning, Commissioners. Thank you for the opportunity to comment. And Dr.
09:09:06 Patricia Jones, speaking on behalf of the Olympic Forest Coalition.
09:09:11 This morning. The Olympic Forest coalition has submitted written comments for your review licenseer apologies for the length of the letter, and of course it's timing before
the 3 day weekend this
09:09:23 morning. our board president is speaking to the board of natural resources to request that they don't know on the penny wise sale for this morning.
09:09:31 I would like to emphasize the need for a cash flow analysis to help us understand the timeline before us. In the time we may or may not have to find solutions.
09:09:44 I look forward to the workshop. this afternoon i'm so very grateful for your continued commitment to grapple with this very difficult challenge.
09:09:52 Thank you. Thank you, Dr. Jones, linda you'll have 3Â min for public comment.
09:10:00 Thank you very much. commissioners, This is Linda Herzog.
09:10:05 I am from quil seen and this morning i'm representing count me, and for quill scene, which is a nonprofit corporation that's about 11 years old, now we applied for a grant from
the aarp back in March
09:10:18 and i'm very pleased to say that we have been awarded that grant it's only $29,000, so it's not going to stretch too far, but with that money we'll be able to create a number
of rest stops
09:10:32 along a path that we have not quite yet imagined. But the money is for us to build and design and build chaos that will hold artworks and articles about quill scenes, history,
and culture, 8 or 9 of those and
09:10:48 accompanying each one of them will be a bench, and both the kiosk and the benches will be built by community members who definitely down here know how to do things like that.
and we will have Qr Codes put on
09:11:01 those kios. So wherever they're placed people can find out more about what they see on the kiosk, and as walkers go through the town and look at these wonderful artworks and
historical placards, they will also be able to take
09:11:16 photographs some of the most wondrous things in quillsine, and be able to enjoy the town off the highway, going to the businesses and the services as well as the beach and the
the lovely things that we have
09:11:30 here, so I invite all of you if you'd like to and if you can, to come to a meeting on Monday night at 6, 30 at the community center, where we will roll out by way of a slideshow
the general idea and then
09:11:44 invite the community members to walk around the room and give us ideas about what should be on the kiosk.
09:11:51 So we're looking forward to a big turnout and a lot of enthusiasm, and followed by a lot of participation by anyone in the community who has ideas or skills or just plain enthusiasm.
09:12:05 So thank you for hearing me out, and if you need to know more about this project.
09:12:08 I'd be happy to send you more information I believe you did get a letter this morning that describes our win of the grant.
09:12:17 So thank you very much. Hope to see you on Monday at 6, 30, at the quilting community center.
09:12:21 Thanks, Linda. Congratulations on the grant that's great news.
09:12:31 It's like who are you gonna
09:12:32 It's like who are you gonna I have 3 people over dar.
09:12:36 It looks like dars queue up next thanks Commissioners for your time.
09:12:43 I'm here to comment on the Notion proposed no shooting area at the Greater jolly way.
09:12:49 Silverberry. Let me begin by stating i'm a gun owner, and a very adept at using it.
09:12:55 Another of our Siamese and supported this petition for no shooting zone Isn't Iraq war combat veteran with the Us.
09:13:01 Army. T. 2 is a gun owner, and very adapted using them.
09:13:04 Many of the other folks who sign on to support this petition are also gun owners as well as military veterans.
09:13:11 We are not anti gun ownership when they are used responsibly.
09:13:16 And with respect to the impact of potential ricochets and noise impacts on neighbors, I worked as a journalist covering the Iraq Board for 10 years, during which time, witnessing
firsthand a tremendous amount of
09:13:27 violence and death. Bombings and gunfire were part of everyday life.
09:13:32 Nobody who lives and works in a war zone, be they a journalist, combat, veteran or civilian, comes out of it without post.
09:13:39 Traumatic stress disorder. I move to port towns, and in part for the peace, quiet, and safety.
09:13:47 Here. Once you acquire Ptsd, you have it for life. Every time random gunfire breaks out here, my stress level goes through the roof, and my sleep is disturbed for several days,
This war.
09:13:57 Images fled back in the military veteran I mentioned has told me he also has the same experiences.
09:14:03 When we you hear the gunfire here, while it has been happening here for years, random gunfire from weapons of various calibers, including assault rifles, has become commonplace
in our neighborhood, despite the fact that most of
09:14:15 us walk the road to check our mail, walk our dogs, and that many young children live here and play in the woods.
09:14:23 This is an overtly dangerous situation that in time will likely end in tragedy.
09:14:27 I now feel unsafe in my own home, which should be my refuge.
09:14:32 What are we to do? If we are unable to feel safe in our own homes at any time of day, the situation feels untenable.
09:14:39 A deputy sheriff suggested we pursue having this area designated a No shooting area, so that they could then enforce it for us.
09:14:48 Hence i'm in support of the jolie what Joey way Silverberry place area outline in this petition being designated in no shooting area for the safety and well-being of everyone
who lives here, thank you for
09:15:00 your attention to this matter. Thank you, dar. We appreciate your being here this morning and your comments, Steven.
09:15:10 You can unmute and you'll have 3Â min for public comment.
09:15:18 Looks like you're still muted up there you go yeah there we go. Thanks a lot, hey?
09:15:24 I just wanted to ask the Commissioners, as represented as the Board of Health, about part Towns and Free Press story relating to Jefferson County. High schoolers are depressed,
hopeless, suicidal 2021 health Yuks
09:15:37 survey results released, which had concerning information about how I I guess about 25% of tenth graders.
09:15:47 And actually had a made a plan to commit suicide, and I guess 13% of them actually attempted it.
09:15:55 Also about 70% of high schoolers seem to be having compulsive, worrying anxiety unable to stop worrying man.
09:16:05 There's bullying is higher than the rest of the state and other issues.
09:16:08 So I mean checks. I mean, this is very concerned. I guess suicide is the second highest cause of death among young people.
09:16:17 And the story also. said that this new 2021 data that was presented to the Board of Health is not new.
09:16:26 The 2 years earlier in the April 2019 meeting The At that point the 2018 healthy survey showed concerning findings in the youth.
09:16:35 Mental health category also, and at that at that meeting there was they said that the at the follow up meeting there was supposed to be a a report.
09:16:46 Those provide more data more in depth. Look at the data, and then that the Board of Health would take the up again the next meeting.
09:16:54 So, anyway. this report says that the Board of Help did not in fact, return to the mental health crisis at the next meeting, and instead, focused on discussing nuclear December.
and then at the next meeting, and then also said that in the past 3 plus
09:17:06 years since then, the subject hasn't been on the agenda.
09:17:12 So. Anyway, I I Haven't looked into this myself but I I I guess I You know i'm i'm curious. If the Board of Health members, the Commissioners that were on the Board of Health
2 3 years ago recall that and
09:17:25 can cannot. I know I either verify or speak to that.
09:17:28 But in any case regardless. Oh, my gosh! this is horrible, I mean, and you know it was bad then.
09:17:36 Back 3 or 4 years ago, and and apparently it's much worse now.
09:17:41 And you know I at least one cause I would say would be the experience of the last couple of years of black downs and distancing, and the kids not being able to, you know, play
with their friends and have lots of uncertainties and
09:17:54 schools about whether they're going to be closed or allowed to have in in person, schooling whether they need to wear a masks, or if if some friend of theirs has a positive
case, so whether that means that they've got to stay
09:18:06 at home, and all that kind of stuff I could it would seem to me that these things would only add to the worry the uncertainty, the wholeness, and the disconnection that these
kids have.
09:18:16 So I don't know I mean I sort of feel like we don't know where things are going to go with the virus and and all that, and cases could be out their cases could be down.
09:18:25 But regardless of that, I mean the kids statistically are at barely any risk of the virus.
09:18:31 They're much more at risk of the flu or probably of getting hit by lightning, and they're totally at risk of suicide.
09:18:41 And and all these other things that they're that are happening so I I don't know.
09:18:45 I sort of feel like 2 3 years ago. we didn't know what was going to be like.
09:18:49 We didn't know what was happening that's 3Â min Steven 3Â min.
09:18:55 Thanks. So we're gonna bring Tom tears over but I just wanna make one more pitch or plug for if anyone who's on the attendee list would like to make a public comment who hasn't
already yet this
09:19:08 morning I see a number of additional people have joined us.
09:19:11 Please reuse the raise hand button at the bottom of your zoom.
09:19:17 Screen. and we can bring you over for public comment if anyone's here that would like to make public comment who hasn't already.
09:19:23 We'd love to hear from you and with that I will turn it over to Tom Tearsh. Good morning, Tom.
09:19:32 Good morning, Commissioners First, I want to thank Commissioner Dean for asking me for clarification about public comment on this.
09:19:40 No shooting zone item on the agenda.
09:19:44 I I would remind you respectfully that the open public meetings, act revisions this year makes a very strong statement about allowing and encouraging public comment on items
on which final action will be taken.
09:19:59 And this is one of those items you're going to be taking final action.
09:20:01 You're going to be selecting what to do next in other words. you're going to make a choice you're gonna vote. i'm doing something that's final action and you really should solicit
more public comment less and on that specific
09:20:14 item also in the new open public meeting zack there's a provision for written public comment which must be distributed to the members of the Commission.
09:20:23 So I hope you've seen the the public comment that I wrote this morning and sent to you but to to sort of repeat what I wrote.
09:20:31 I do live in the proposed area of the not shooting zone.
09:20:35 So. I have a personal interest in this thing, and I support it.
09:20:39 In fact, i'm recommending that you use one of the authorities that you have to actually expand upon the proposed area.
09:20:47 I sent you a map that outlines my recommendation, and some reasons for for doing that.
09:20:52 I think you'll find that if you look at what I wrote expanding, the area would make it simpler to enforce simpler to identify, which means that you could actually enforce it,
the boundaries that are proposed are kind of this zigzag
09:21:08 outline and don't really take into account the fact that There's some pretty dense housing areas right next door right across the Hastings from from the proposed area and I
hear shooting coming from there all the time and
09:21:20 I have for 20 plus years. so you know take take a look at what's proposed.
09:21:26 Take a look at my recommendation, please. and like I say use your authority to expand the zone to something that makes a little more sense is enforceable, and it's definitely
going to be safer for for everyone around this area
09:21:42 Thanks very much. Thanks for your comments, Mr. tears we'll leave public comment up until 9 30.
09:21:51 Just in case anyone feels moved to raise their hand. but for the time being, is there anybody else on the attendee list who would like to make a comment this morning?
09:22:00 If so, you can use the race hand. button at the bottom of the zoom screen.
09:22:02 I don't see anyone new on the phone there so just the button on the zoom screen.
09:22:08 And if we see a hand go up we'll call on you great!
09:22:13 We can't see you yet? but I know you're there I am here?
09:22:17 What's with? Who would like to respond to public comment first I can dump in appreciate it, appreciate everyone making public comments, and that's great news about the Arp grant
and i'll definitely be that the meeting at
09:22:33 6 30 next Monday at the community center. with other members of my community to to figure out this great art.
09:22:42 I'm Glad it's finally got a home and really looking forward to this progress program, developing regarding the shooting range petition.
09:22:51 Shammy. Sorry No shooting area petition I appreciate dar and and the other folks.
09:22:58 That you gave us information to Mr. tish's point I would I would argue that we're not making final action as we're just allowing a you know setting up a hearing where we are
soliciting public input and 10
09:23:12 testimony. But I I don't have a huge I think that last time, when we had the workshop before we actually disincentivize people from participating in the workshop, and I feel
like getting all of our
09:23:23 testimony in one time, and makes a lot of sense so i'm not really opposed to not having public comment today.
09:23:31 I did not. It takes a little while for notes to Jeff Bocc.
09:23:34 At Coot Jefferson Watt at us to come into filter through another staff member to our box.
09:23:40 So i've not seen your note yet. Mr. tears but i'll make sure that it is in test considered his testimony for the hearing.
09:23:47 If we do indeed to go, choose to go that way again.
09:23:51 I don't mind if we wanna allow more public comment but i'm not sure if it would add more to the workshop.
09:23:56 Since that's the very reason of the workshop i'd rather have it in has testimony a public hearing.
09:24:04 To Jean ball you know I feel like our goals are still the same.
09:24:12 And I don't think that we're funding finish fisheries at the expense of the future.
09:24:17 I guess I mean We're, gonna have a good workshop front that was really eye-opening at the timber school last week this afternoon from Nrg.
09:24:25 And I guess my goal, for these forests are to create more like it.
09:24:31 So I mean my my basic premise right now would be cut.
09:24:36 Penny wise cut be a valley, leaving the 30% that they they normally leave and look for a natural regeneration path and and extend the root rotation, you know, for another 80
years So we we can build these forests back they
09:24:51 are not unique in in that way they're unique in the conditions that created them. and I think we can we can use those creations as part of our that more natural method, as part
of our management scheme, and I think that's
09:25:04 where my mind is going since we did look at 2 Patricia's point, I mean cash analysis, and there's simply no other way to create this much revenue right?
09:25:18 Now, unless we wanna lobby our legislators to create a attack that can offset this. and I don't think people are interested in more taxes right now.
09:25:23 So I feel like the conversation. is still happening. as patricia says we're still working on this we're not saying just you know, cut baby cut.
09:25:33 We're we're really trying to dive into this and we'll continue to value all perspectives, as we as we sort through these really complicated and related issues that that are
the more you look at them the more far-reaching
09:25:48 and and connected to other aspects of our economy and ecology.
09:25:52 So I I look forward to you guys continuing to participate in that in that path, and any comments about the actual proposed shooting area.
09:26:01 I guess i'll save until we have our workshop in a little bit.
09:26:06 But I I really do appreciate folks weighing in on that I think that's it.
09:26:09 Thanks, Greg. Oh, i'm sorry 1 one for steve all too.
09:26:15 I forgot. and I I didn't see the article but yeah, mental health in our kids is a crisis right now.
09:26:23 They were well aware of, and you know i'll let Heini talk about how the county under her leadership really stepped in when some of the the school based mental health professionals
that we really supported and got into all the schools those
09:26:36 contractors balked, and we recognize the immediate urgency of this and whether it's the stigma work we've been doing through Oc charm reduction work, the behavioral health consortiums
convening
09:26:50 of this conversation. This is, and my own experience with a a daughter going through the pandemic.
09:26:58 And I would say, Yeah, a an unprecedented worldwide pandemic is pretty hard on on teenagers, for sure as everyone else.
09:27:06 But yeah, it's a real issue. one that I I live with every day, and we are.
09:27:11 We are working on it. but thank you okay, last time Tom Tears has his hand up again.
09:27:22 I'm i'm not I don't think we usually take a second round of comments from people so sorry Tom will defer differ hearing from you until later.
09:27:34 Hey? Yeah, let's see let's to respond to today.
09:27:39 Thanks everyone for joining us on a tuesday morning I'll pick up where Greg left off and just agree with you, Steven, that the pandemic has been really hard on teams.
09:27:51 I've had 2 in my house. through the course of the pandemic and seeing a a a lot of degradation at times of their mental health.
09:28:00 So it's both personal and then also we deal with it on many fronts here at the county.
09:28:07 Greg just listed a few, I will add another, which is that the Community Health Improvement program which is overseen by the Board of Health, one of their 3 missions, 3 different
age bands.
09:28:21 And I happen to sit on the Youth Age Band, whose number one task was to eliminate youth suicide in the next 5 years in Jefferson County.
09:28:33 And so we can be monthly with schools, mental health providers, healthcare providers public health.
09:28:41 All sorts of service providers to to to look at, how we continue to reduce that their number of models that are being used nationally, that we are looking at and implementing
and various places.
09:28:54 So I just please do know that it is a huge priority.
09:28:58 The the survey was delayed because of Covid.
09:29:01 And so data has been coming in late. but I definitely share your concern and see that we're working on a number of fronts to try to address it also.
09:29:11 Very excited to hear about the Klosine Grants, and
09:29:16 Count me and posting It's just a great example of community organizations that really help further the great work. you know, if the county can't do anything alone, we do it
in partnership with community organizations like kept me
09:29:29 in Christine, and just really excited. Sounds like a great place making project So look forward to hearing more about that.
09:29:39 In terms of the forestry issues. i'll just say you know I I speak for myself.
09:29:46 I am learning a ton. and you know we are the first county to stick our neck out like this at least in a little while. and and there's there's a lot to learn so looking forward
to the presentation today and we
09:29:59 will keep trying to pull in the right voices to inform a a tough decision and a new model that we're hoping to create with Dnr.
09:30:12 See We will be talking more about the No shooting area.
09:30:18 At 1030, I believe. I have a different memory.
09:30:23 The new question of Brother Tim i the workshop for the previous.
09:30:27 No shooting applications. I I believe we did take public comment at that workshop.
09:30:33 So I I would be interested in allowing public comment to.
09:30:37 I would like to be a little better informed about that area.
09:30:39 I know the the neighborhood that submitted this, but I think it would be helpful to get a little more information to inform our next decision, so I would advocate for including
public comments again at that point in the meeting we will
09:30:53 still take into consideration everything we heard this morning. Certainly. thanks, Mr.
09:31:00 Tears for continuous opma at edification. Appreciate that.
09:31:07 I did want to say one more thing about the youth, mental health, which is that you know, from very early on, even before I was really comfortable with it, Dr.
09:31:16 Locke, and then, when he left Dr. barry both advocated for and were successful in keeping our schools open longer than most schools were statewide, and I'm really proud of that.
and the you know their emphasis was on we
09:31:31 as a community need to stay save need to keep our case rates down so that school can be open to youth like the the the impacts to use being out of school in particular, was
so highly recognized by our health officers, early on and
09:31:48 I'm. i'm really proud of that I think we did do a good job.
09:31:52 We know case rates at the end of the school year were exceedingly high.
09:31:55 It didn't shut anything down we know that kids are not experiencing severe disease at the high rates right now. And And so, therefore we make choices again and again to to keep
kids doing the the activities.
09:32:07 That they're doing knowing that there's a risk and this is, you know, Both of my kids have had Covid.
09:32:13 They pulled through and so just just wanna didn't want to leave that part out.
09:32:21 That's all for now. thank you great did you have something you wanted to add. Yeah, I just wanted to echo Kate's good point about how we have been working hard throughout the
pandemic.
09:32:37 To keep schools as open open as as much as possible and right recognizing that from the beginning, under the leadership of our health officers, and also just to I wasn't saying
that we didn't have testimony during the
09:32:46 workshop last time about the No shooting area, but that the prodigious amount of we had more comments for the workshop, setting up the hearing than we did at the hearing itself,
was my recollection and that I thought Maybe
09:32:58 we lost some of that public record of hearing comments because of the amount that we focused on the workshop.
09:33:07 But I I'd be fine supporting if if any of us wants to have a public comment for that agenda item on absolutely fine supporting them.
09:33:16 Thanks. Greg: Yeah, I think we we will add exactly accepting public comment at the
09:33:23 No shooting area for Joeyway and Silver Very place at 1030.
09:33:28 So we will add public comment to that, and see how many, how much we can. more more.
09:33:34 We can learn about that area. good points made by all.
09:33:37 Thank you, everyone. I I I don't need to reiterate what my colleagues have said but on the forest issue, I mean there's almost nothing I care more.
09:33:51 About, and it's been an incredibly challenging thick set of issues to tackle
09:33:58 We are still focused on continuing to learn and to continuing to find a path forward and a work plan with Dnr.
09:34:06 To collaboratively address How we manage, particularly the County Forest Board lands in Jefferson County.
09:34:14 The timing of all this starting on april the fourth has been it's been a marathon literally for for me, I know, and for my commissioner colleagues.
09:34:24 As well as we've been learning and having to stay on top of all of our additional duties.
09:34:29 20 committees each. meetings, you know these meetings every week.
09:34:33 Take a full day. Yeah. Usually the day before is largely spent preparing for the Monday or Tuesday meetings.
09:34:41 And then, on days like yesterday, our phones are ringing off the hook.
09:34:44 So you know it's a lot to juggle but in my heart of hearts there's nothing I care more about than our forests.
09:34:53 And There's a lot of great work going on while we're having this kind of existential conversation about the future of our forests in Jefferson County.
09:35:03 We are moving forward with some transactions with Dnr.
09:35:06 To protect almost 200 acres of important forests in the Quimper wildlife corridor, and the and on the Tondos peninsula, we're moving forward with partnering to protect an expanded
day by a
09:35:19 natural area preserve we're you know we're moving more forward on multiple friends to project hundreds of acres And then we're also trying to have this larger conversation about
the way that our forests are managed so we're not
09:35:33 leaving the conversation. We are digging deeper into it and if you can't recognize that, and you wanna have a individual conversation with anyone I I offer myself.
09:35:43 I'm willing to let you know more particularly what i've been working on.
09:35:49 But we've all been having a lot of conversations on the school based mental health.
09:35:56 Yeah, the behavioral health advisory committee which i'm the chair of currently has been giving extra funding for school based mental health.
09:36:04 But you know It's not enough and we're hearing more from our school district leaders that more needs to be done, so.
09:36:12 We will be digging into that as we move forward with our behavioral health advisory committee meetings, and we have one coming up in a couple of weeks.
09:36:23 So that issue took much in my summer last summer, and I anticipated Maybe so again this summer.
09:36:29 And then I mean I I think I don't Think I have anything else to add, although Stevens comments resonated for me, cause I've had some of the similar thoughts of like, what Do
we not know about the
09:36:44 impact of the pandemic, not only on the kids in our community, but on the adults in terms of our mental health.
09:36:52 I mean, I think that there's a lot there's more that we don't know than what we what we do know right now, and I think we need to be open to learning and
09:37:05 Finding new ways to support our fellow community members as we come out of this pandemic.
09:37:10 I. I say that with optimism, but I believe we will come out of it at some point.
09:37:14 So it's 9 37 we could consider consent agenda.
09:37:22 Now I appreciate everyone being here this morning, and the folks who from public comments just wanted to say that.
09:37:32 And does anyone have anything on the consent agenda that they wanted to call out Lot of good work.
09:37:42 Great to see that the bit scale come through, and I really want to be there.
09:37:47 I want to be a fly on the wall for the underwater.
09:37:48 Eel grass survey, reading through that scope of work sound fascinating.
09:37:54 And, you know, love to see Intergo moving forward, and there was one.
09:37:58 Oh, in the quilting community center roof replacement.
09:38:02 So yeah, yeah, really exciting stuff. I I went through the entire 45 pages of the Cdbg Grant agreement looking for a reminder of what that Grant is being used for.
09:38:15 And it was I was kind of amazed. It was just 45 pages of your credit card contract jargon.
09:38:23 And so I was wishing I knew specifically which which of the covid funds that was being used for
09:38:31 And Mark. I don't know if that's something you you can speak to.
09:38:34 I don't wanna put you on the spot if you don't I I know these are fairly performer, and we it's great that we're getting more funding from commerce.
09:38:42 Just would love to know which which programs these are funding and that's just an additional amount, right? Yeah.
09:38:52 And it sounds like the activities are in the original appointment for the grant.
09:38:57 The the scope of work just references that I don't think they were very explicit even in the initial grant of memory service.
09:39:07 I think this was a question. we've talked about before and we can always get holy cap back, you know.
09:39:12 I mean, we really kind of outstores a lot of our human services.
09:39:15 Functions to Polycap, so we can, we can easily.
09:39:20 We can have a workshop to drill into that.
09:39:22 More. yeah, just it'd be good if a refresher I know what programs are available.
09:39:26 So so you know we we have gotten a lot of covid relief funding and through various streams and I think I would be better informed, knowing what is what programs are still current
what's available, that's when and that
09:39:41 the public would benefit from hearing that as well. I think I would probably benefit from here hearing from those 2, because some of those things were put in place before I
was even a commissioner. Right?
09:39:52 So it'd be a great workshop for us in the coming weeks or months.
09:40:02 An additional 3,000 is that list the activities though the Grant it just mentions the look at the see the original application.
09:40:14 Yeah, it's it's a confusing piece of work I i'd be happy to get with cherish and schedule the workshop on this if you'd like yeah maybe just an an update on on various
09:40:26 covid programs, you know. So, for example, rental is, you know.
09:40:32 Is there still mental assistance available? or is that different different expiration dates?
09:40:38 And so by being helpful for us to get an update.
09:40:41 Yeah, I I could rattle off only cat programs. but I'm not sure how they align directly with the Cdb.
09:40:47 Grant. So, having having staff here, I think, from all the cap, would be really helpful.
09:40:51 So great. Thank you. Yeah. And I agree in terms of framing what we want.
09:40:56 We would be most interested in hearing. Mark is, what what sources of assistance are there still available for the community, and which ones have been completely expended?
09:41:08 It would be good, good good for us to know and good for the community to know.
09:41:13 Yeah. and that's a task that Michael mark has been assigned is identify opportunities that have heretofore gone.
09:41:20 Unnoticed. they're unexploited by the county. but only Cap can help with that as well.
09:41:26 So. yeah, i'll get that schedule on consent.
09:41:34 I was just you know a lot of good work there but i'm seeing the roof and closing, and reminded me that we're going to do the roof and port towns in as well and I remember just
being
09:41:42 so excited because i've been hearing about that roof and the port towns and rec center for decades.
09:41:47 I feel like, man. it's only been a decade but i'm glad that we're finally investing in taking care of what we have so happy to see those contracts moving forward, and I think
we're gonna see the port towns and community.
09:42:00 Center quite in the near future. If I'm. remembering correctly you are Matt courts working on a solicitation of qualifications through Mrc.
09:42:14 And once we have that, then we can select a contractor and put together a contract.
09:42:24 Thanks, Mark, and i'm always happy to see work moving forward on the Olympic discovery trail, I mean inch by ants.
09:42:30 We're gonna get there. So does someone want to make a motion to approve the consent.
09:42:36 Agenda, to approve and adopt consent.
09:42:39 Agenda. I'll second all in favor hi none of those passes unanimously.
09:42:48 Okay shared. And I did a couple of minutes to try to power cycle. and see if I can fix my camera.
09:43:01 Yeah, let's recess until 9 45 when we will be joined by Dr. Barry and Willie Bens for our weekly covid.
09:43:02 Update
09:46:25 Good morning, Dr. Barry. Hi, i'll call us back to order.
09:46:37 Yeah, we can see Greg now calling us back into order, and we will.
09:46:42 We have Dr. Barry and Willie bent with us, and we will have our weekly Covid update and reports on public health in our beautiful county.
09:46:56 Sure so not too big of an update today. looking at the state of Covid.
09:47:02 19 nationally case rates are largely flat though there's some variability across the country.
09:47:06 There, and the northeast case rates are down trending, and in the South case rates are actually up trending at the moment on the west coast, primarily stable in Washington State.
09:47:19 We are also seeing case rates very similar what we're seeing at the national level primarily flat, but in a quite high range.
09:47:24 We're not seeing a significant rise in hospitalizations or death in our State as a whole, or in our region thing.
09:47:33 For in Jefferson County we have diagnosed 4,770 cases of Covid 19.
09:47:40 That puts our case rate at 715 per 100,000, which is a small decrease from where we were before moving in the right direction, but still quite high.
09:47:47 Our percent positivity is 15%. We have no one currently hospitalized, but we did have.
09:47:53 One of our residents hospitalized over the weekend for a total of 135 hospitalizations. Thankfully, that person has gotten better and gone home.
09:48:01 We have had no additional deaths due to covid 19 in Jefferson County. so we've had 30 deaths so far in this pandemic response.
09:48:09 In Columb County. We are my staff. we have. We have 5 people currently hospitalized for COVID-19 for a total of 405 hospitalizations.
09:48:23 We unfortunately have had one additional death up to 117 deaths in Clown County.
09:48:30 This person was vaccinated and boosted. he had not had his second and he was in his eighties and have multiple underlying conditions.
09:48:38 And and so, unfortunately, I think that does highlight the critical nature of the second booster for those over 65.
09:48:45 The most important thing you can do to reduce your risk of severe disease is to get vaccinated and boosted.
09:48:51 So that's 3 shots for everyone 5 and up 4 shots. If you're over 65 is kind of the easy numbers to keep track of where you are on on the vaccine status.
09:49:00 But we do think if you're over 65 at this point we are starting to see a rise in severe disease, but especially in those over 65 who have underlying conditions, so if you are
in that group really important to move forward
09:49:11 with getting that second booster. Everyone else we're not really seeing any evidence for the need for an additional booster.
09:49:18 You certainly can get it if you're over 50 there's just not a lot of evidence that it's necessary right now.
09:49:23 So in our region, we're still seeing case rates quite high, but starting to see a down trend which is very hopeful.
09:49:31 We still are not seeing that overwhelming surge of severe disease.
09:49:33 But if you are a high risk yourself, if you have underlying conditions and are over 65, really important to do all you can to protect yourself from COVID-19, and of course,
the best way to protect yourself besides getting
09:49:45 vaccinated is to wear a mask when you're in indoor spaces, particularly a high quality mask.
09:49:51 We're still not seeing significant outdoor transmission related to these variants.
09:49:55 It's still very safe to go out have a barbecue. All the things that many of us did over the weekend.
09:49:59 You just want to make sure and put that mask on when you move into an indoor space.
09:50:03 I wanna take just a brief moment to talk about something that's not covid 19, and then we can get into questions which is that we have had our first flock of boards in our in
Jefferson County diagnosed with
09:50:15 Avian influenza. So there will be a press release about that going out shortly in Jefferson County.
09:50:21 We've had 2 flocks already, in cleveland county diagnosed with Avian influenza.
09:50:26 We are seeing a lot of it in our kind of fly region where the birds travel through our region.
09:50:31 Thankfully. avian influenza this stream that we're seeing right now is very unlikely to transmit to humans.
09:50:39 We've been monitoring thousands of people who add close contact with their birds
09:50:45 Over recent months in our state and around. the country and we've only had one case of a person who contracted avian influenza from a flock of birds.
09:50:54 So I don't think that it is a significant human health concern in our region right now.
09:50:59 But it can be very serious for birds and for poultry.
09:51:01 Farmers in particular. So the best thing to do to protect your birds from contracting Avian influenza is to reduce their mixing with other birds, particularly wild birds.
09:51:13 The thing that we're seeing a lot right now is birds that interact with wild birds wild water fowl, basically.
09:51:21 So if you have a pond on your property and your birds are interacting with ducks or other migratory species, that's where we're seeing a lot of that that infection happen and
So reducing interactions
09:51:31 between your birds and other birds, both commercial farming birds, or just wild wild birds traveling through your catchment area, is the most important thing.
09:51:41 Our staff are working very closely with the family whose birds were affected, and monitoring them very closely to make sure that they don't contract avian influenza but so far
we have not seen much transmission
09:51:54 between birds and people. And so when that I am happy to take any questions, can I ask a bird? Yeah.
09:52:06 So I don't know anything about how how severe the birds can be impacted.
09:52:17 I mean. how how bad are the symptoms! What! what, what are the signs?
09:52:22 I have a small flock, I mean. what What am I looking for?
09:52:23 Is as a keeper of a small flock of birds.
09:52:27 So many of us do we're we're in a rural area, and so a lot of us have have birds and forth.
09:52:34 Unfortunately, the primary sign of Avian influenza in your flock is a sudden die off of many birds, so it's very, very severe.
09:52:42 Anyone who keeps chickens knows that sometimes they just die, and we don't know why.
09:52:46 But if an individual die you know losing a chicken or 2, not wouldn't really raise a lot of red flags.
09:52:53 But if you had a sudden die off of multiple birds more more than 2 that would that would raise alarm bells for avian influenza, and you wanted would want to actually report
it to you wsda, and they'll come and
09:53:08 perform testing on your burns that's the primary way that we see this happen. Certainly the other thing that you'd watch out for is kind of respiratory illness in your birds
So if suddenly your birds are kind of
09:53:17 sneezing, coughing that's atypical among birds, and that would raise suspicion as well.
09:53:22 Thank you. I just never seen it. so yeah and thankfully most of us hopefully Won't The The best protection is really to reduce their interaction with other birds.
09:53:56 Most the doors for many people who are who are practicing free range practices with their chickens.
09:54:07 That's not really acceptable for them but if you can make sure that they are not interacting with wildbirds to the extent possible.
09:54:11 So making sure that you know ponds and things they're separated from those that's really where we're seeing this cross pollination happen and reducing kind of other bird feeders
in your yard so primarily focusing on your your birds feeding your chickens or your ducks or anything like that and not having birth feeders
09:54:18 that I saw Greg yeah no yeah very I've never, I've never seen it either. I'm.
09:54:23 I'm, i'm glad that we don't have to go home and try to mask our turkey, so that would not work well.
09:54:30 I am a a couple it's sad about the avian flu.
09:54:35 But Covid is unfortunately reared. its head in our house again, for presumably a second time, you know, the first time we didn't have enough tests, and to really keep keep at
it.
09:54:46 And so I guess I wanted to, after action our response is a household with you really quickly.
09:54:53 If that's okay, you know we luckily have you know 10 free tests a month.
09:54:59 So lots of testing before anybody goes out, and and her isolation regiment is fairly fairly clear, and we've talked a lot about it.
09:55:08 We had some, I guess. internal conversations that we're not at all clear about how we should proceed over the holiday weekend.
09:55:15 It seems like our family gets this over holiday weekends. last time, this time is Fourth of July.
09:55:22 And yeah, i'm always looking for an excuse not to go to Fireworks show.
09:55:26 So that was. but we did have quite a few gatherings and the what we operated under was basically don't go to any congregate gatherings inside .
09:55:36 And I I tried to make a square masks the whole time even while outside, and and that's you know what the Cdc. recommends.
09:55:44 I didn't find a lot of local recommendations for how to handle kind of the quarantine side instead of isolation side I was wondering if you could just go into what is the best
practices.
09:55:55 For a family that's dealing because this is what We're lots of people are dealing with is you know, someone sick again.
09:56:02 What should we do while hopefully not shutting down life for 15 days?
09:56:07 So can you tell us what we should do, and what we absolutely should not do?
09:56:12 Absolutely so. just for the benefit of everyone. we'll start with isolation.
09:56:18 So Isolation is the person in your family who has covid
09:56:21 That person should as much as possible within the household try to isolate from other family members. So if there's a separate bedroom that they can sleep in.
09:56:29 That's the most important. And then, when they have to be in common areas.
09:56:33 If they do most most of the time we do then where then everyone wear a mask when they're in those common areas.
09:56:41 That's kind of one of the biggest things you can do. opening windows, adding filtration to your house can reduce transmission to your other family members as a person who is
positive you can still go outside You can go for
09:56:50 a run and a walk. that is all fine. you can, even, you know, go to places where other people are, but just keep your distance away from other people.
09:57:00 So I wouldn't want to see someone who was positive going into a crowded parade and being right next to other people that would make me a little nervous.
09:57:08 But if you wanted to go, stand a little bit back and observe fireworks.
09:57:12 Displays. For example, that would be okay as long as you keep your distance from others.
09:57:16 And I think also good practice, if you have covid 19 to wear a mask whenever you might come within a close proximity of other people, even if you're outside.
09:57:25 So for instantly if you're if you're just walking around you don't need to wear a mask.
09:57:30 But if you were going to be going someplace where you're likely to get much closer to other people trying to go to a firework system, or something like that, i'd wear a math
just as good practice, but mostly keep your
09:57:39 distance. If you've got good airflow you're not going to give Covid to anybody for family members.
09:57:46 If the family members are up to date on their vaccinations so they're vaccinated and boosted you actually don't have to quarantine anymore.
09:57:54 You can go out and about in your day. but we are seeing a lot of breakthrough infection.
09:57:59 So if you have a family member who's positive I would really strongly recommend wearing masks when you are anywhere.
09:58:05 When you're anywhere close to other folks if you've got a family member at home, because you could contract it, and then go on to pass it on to other people really primarily
talking about indoor spaces there.
09:58:16 Really still not seeing a lot of need for masking in outdoor spaces.
09:58:19 But you can still go to work even if you have a family member who's positive if you're up to date on your vaccinations.
09:58:26 You can still go to the store and in fact that's really helpful, because then you can get the things that your family member needs so isolation doesn't have to be quite as isolating
as it was before But certainly if
09:58:36 you develop symptoms we want you to get tested right away, and if you're backstage and boosted as we've talked about on this show before, you may develop symptoms before you
turn positive So keep testing If you
09:58:46 keep having symptoms, and even if you don't develop symptoms at all.
09:58:50 We want you to test again at t 5. Remember that we do hope that people kind of have a little stash of tests at home.
09:58:57 But we also have tests at Jefferson County public health, and still at our libraries.
09:59:00 You can pick them up at the window, if you've been exposed so, or if you have a family member who's positive, or if you have symptoms, just call ahead, don't go into the library,
if you have symptoms, to
09:59:11 test for Covid 19, and we can support you with those here.
09:59:15 Any other particular questions that came up in your family? No, I I think that addresses them.
09:59:22 And I will say it was much different experience, having a a multitude of tests.
09:59:26 So you know I took another test this morning. to be to feel comfortable about coming into work, and we're in a mask whenever I'm not, you know, alone in my office.
09:59:34 So no that that that that answer my question.
09:59:39 Thank you. Yeah, question any any update on reinfection timing with with different variants.
09:59:47 I'm hearing the the 3 months get kind of scaled back to 6 weeks, 30 days!
09:59:54 What's what's the window that we're seeing currently and you were still unlikely to get reinfected in the first 90 days.
10:00:08 But we have started to see some reinfections happen particular, particularly with Ba.
10:00:13 4 and 5. Those seem to be the ones that are giving us the shorter window of reinfection, and primarily, when we're seeing those shorter window reinfections where you're getting
reinfected just you know 35
10:00:23 days after the last time you had covid which I wanna just acknowledge this very frustrating.
10:00:29 If you've already been through isolation very recently that's primarily something we're seeing in people who are not vaccinated. so who's only protection is their recent infection.
10:00:38 We're not seeing that shortened window as much in people who are fully vaccinated, and then have gone on to be, in fact.
10:00:44 But I think the so I think as a community as people we can feel really confident that we're not going to get Covid again within 30 days.
10:00:52 It's possible to start getting it again within that 30 to 90 day window.
10:00:57 And so when you're outside of that 30 day window really important to just wear a mask when you're in the indoor spaces to reduce your likelihood of getting covid and giving
it to others now
10:01:06 thankfully, you're, very unlikely get severely ill, and by severely ill I mean hospitalized or die due to covid 19.
10:01:13 But we still don't want to give it to anybody else, and so that's why it's really important to wear mass and indoor spaces to reduce the probability of transmitting it to someone
who could get severely
10:01:22 Ill I have one other question, I guess a follow up and that's, you know. we it was really convenient to report my daughter's case at the office online portal at public health
that that work great i'm just wondering do you think people are
10:01:35 still recording them as much. I am just wondering. I forget the word that you used for how case as entertainment, What would you do?
10:01:47 You do. You have updated information that allows you to to modify what you what you think that our local case ascertainment rate is we're still getting pretty good reporting
in Jefferson County.
10:01:57 Part of how we determine that is our percent positivity.
10:02:00 And then also the percent of our cases that are coming in through the online form.
10:02:05 So initially about 50 to 60% of our cases we're coming in through self report.
10:02:11 Now we're seeing that drop a little bit to closer to 40%.
10:02:15 And so we think our case ascertainment is a little bit lower.
10:02:18 But not by a lot. jefferson county residents are still doing a really good job of letting us know that they have Covid, and we think it's also helpful.
10:02:24 That it's a it's an easy to access online form to do that.
10:02:30 Any other questions from the Commissioners. All right. We only have a few questions from the public, and I just want to update. Clown County did send in their case rate today,
and it is 737 for 100,000.
10:02:43 So very similar to what We're seeing in Jefferson County
10:02:48 So, looking at the kptz questions, one question asks if we will be reporting the water sampling. So we are moving forward with sampling.
10:02:57 Basically our our sewer for covid 19 particularly the port towns and swear most of the rest of us are on septic, and unfortunately we can't monitor those It has taken a while
to get that going that's a
10:03:08 state-sponsored program and We are just now, receiving our test kits into Jefferson County to do this sampling, so we've not been able to report it yet, because we haven't been
able to do the
10:03:17 sampling. But as soon as we get the sampling started and submitted to the State that we will be reporting that probably on Kptz and also on our website, so we'll let you know,
once we get that data up
10:03:27 and running The other question we had was kind of just some concern about our move to Weekly K.
10:03:35 Case reporting, and whether or not it's kind of up to date enough to make decisions, and so to answer that I want to share that we have actually always had a small delay baked
into our case rates, even though we report
10:03:45 them daily. They're actually not today's numbers there's a there's a delay of over the course of the pandemic.
10:03:52 It's ranged from from one day to up to 5 days, depending on how fast we're getting our Pcr.
10:04:00 Test results back So they're never actually just today's cases. it's based on the the delays that are baked into lab testing because it takes a while to get test results back.
10:04:12 And I can definitely see how, since we've gotten used to following daily cases, that it would be concerning to see that delay Start to get baked in, and to only get cases once
a week
10:04:23 I would say that as a person who studies these numbers and lives in these numbers, I feel very comfortable analyzing them week over week, and not daily.
10:04:32 As an epidemiologist I actually don't pay that much attention to how our cases change day to day, because so many other variables can affect that.
10:04:41 So, living in these numbers, I can tell you that our our cases always range over the week, and the primary driver of that is when test sites are open.
10:04:50 And when school is open, because school is one of our big drivers of testing it's also just human behavior.
10:04:56 So people don't like to go get tested on Friday
10:05:00 And then they all come in and get tested on Monday.
10:05:00 So we tend to see stages related to that as well.
10:05:03 So when I look at these numbers, I really only look at weekly trends because day over day just has a lot far too much noise in it.
10:05:13 So I do think, with the weekly reporting. that we have we have enough information there to make good decisions.
10:05:18 We've also seen our case, rates largely stabilized over several weeks. so we're not seeing really rapid shifts in cases.
10:05:26 Of course, if we did start to see that we could report on that more quickly.
10:05:30 The only other thing I want to let folks know is that hospitalizations and deaths are updated as they happen.
10:05:35 So those kind of more severe findings those are updated over the week.
10:05:38 It's only the pure case numbers that are updated once a week, and I also want you to know that we still receive them.
10:05:46 So we still receive daily updates. So that we can do the things that are very time sensitive, like emergent outbreak investigation.
10:05:52 So we'll still get the cases we still analyze them. see where they are, and if we see anything concerning, we jump on it right.
10:06:00 But for the weekly reporting it comes. it comes weekly.
10:06:03 And we do add them up on Friday, and then report them on Monday.
10:06:08 The primary reason for that is there are often Delays in cases coming from the State, so particularly on Monday, even when we were trying to calculate them on Mondays.
10:06:17 Often the State numbers, aren't even here. yet and so it really affects the quality of our numbers when we're calculating them on Mondays.
10:06:23 So that's how we picked Friday and we aren't trying to not have all the staff work through the weekend anymore.
10:06:30 We do still have myself, and at least one other member on call for the weekend.
10:06:32 But we try not to have everybody work 7 days a week anymore.
10:06:37 It's just not sustainable for our company one last question this person says they are they and their partner are in the their seventies.
10:06:46 They're vaccinated. and boosted we wear masks in public, and only get together with a few close friends without masks. So sounds like they're being very safe the middle of august
We are planning to get on an
10:06:55 airplane for the first time since the pandemic and visit grandchildren.
10:07:00 Congratulations. we have been waiting to get our second booster, so that it will be most effective during the time that we travel.
10:07:07 When do you recommend getting it for maximum effectiveness?
10:07:09 And so your best is to get it. 2 weeks prior to your travel So if you're traveling mid august you can get it end of July.
10:07:17 You're gonna get very well covered for that trip very unlikely that you'll contract covid 19 on that journey when you're in that window.
10:07:25 You get the you're most bang for your buck from your your booster wait 2 weeks after you got it. and then for the next 4 weeks that's when you're getting your most protection
from that second
10:07:36 booster. so I would wait just a little longer towards the end of July.
10:07:39 Keep doing the safe things. you're doing so you don't get covid between now and then, and you should be able to enjoy your vacation.
10:07:45 So with that any other questions that that inspired in our team. I will pass it over.
10:07:53 And thank you, Dr. Barry, I don't have anything for you all today.
10:08:00 Fortunately. I think it's a good a good thing when uses this slow.
10:08:04 So i'm happy to take questions If you have any for emergency management, but otherwise never work for me. hey?
10:08:15 Wow! 1010, and we're i'll i'll Ask one just to can't let Willie get off without any.
10:08:27 Throw me a bone. Thank you. you know this is just to continue on ongoing conversation.
10:08:28 We're having about fema grants for capacity building, you know, Dan and Brennan specifically, and just wondering how is.
10:08:35 It is a time to have those conversations. Yeah. So the there are female hazard mitigation grants on a regular basis, coming out during the the covid 19 pandemic, though that
funding has been a little bit
10:08:52 smaller than usual, since there's been so much Federal money flowing to local municipalities.
10:08:57 Via cares arpa, and some other grants.
10:09:01 So we're. continuing we're always continuing to keep an eye out here at deem for grant opportunities for both ourselves and for our partners.
10:09:11 So we haven't, seen anything particularly fitting this project. Come down the pipeline as of yet. but we're keeping our eye out, and we'll be sure to check in with our our partners
and when we do have
10:09:21 that One big thing I I will update. the board on is we are interviewing candidates or vacant position here in deem who will be helping with our Grant and finance management.
10:09:32 So we connected our first round of interviews over the course of the past 2 weeks, and hope to have that person on.
10:09:39 We hope to have them on by yesterday. but sometime within the next month, or do it.
10:09:44 That'll be a real force multiplier for us to be able to support our partners with some subject matter expertise around that federal funding.
10:09:50 So. nothing, major yet. we're hoping for some based on the the winter storm declarations here in a little bit.
10:09:58 But the the funding has been decreased fairly significantly.
10:10:02 But we continue to keep our eyes out. Thank you, Lily.
10:10:07 Okay, yeah. one good question, Willie. It was a lot of last night, but didn't hear a lot of sirens.
10:10:17 Can you record anything some like really fairly safe weekend But imagine you're grateful for the rain on Sunday, too?
10:10:22 Yeah, Yeah, the rain on Sunday was a a massive help. I know that it, you know, literally rained on some people's plans, and I I do feel bad about that.
10:10:30 From a public safety standpoint it was very welcome. yeah.
10:10:35 We did hear you know I I from my place i've heard a variety of small firework shows.
10:10:42 But I we at deem didn't get called out and for there were a number of responses.
10:10:47 But fortunately it was fairly quiet overall.
10:10:51 I do think that is a good opportunity to bring up the fact that I am assuming a lot of folks who had big plans over the course of the weekend.
10:10:58 They might have delayed them due to sunday's rain with fourth falling on a monday.
10:11:03 Might not have had their celebrations like they would have over the course of the weekend. I'm so i'm assuming a lot of folks have fireworks that they they'll be holding on
to for use at a later
10:11:14 date, and when the weather is a little better, it is a good reminder that we do have a burn band, but that is for debris clearing and yard waste.
10:11:23 I'm only at this point. in time so when you are getting ready to set off your fireworks and have your belated fourth celebration on one.
10:11:33 Do check your local ordinances first and foremost so you know where you're setting them off.
10:11:37 If they're allowed or not do pay attention to our local burn band.
10:11:42 You know right now again, it's just just yard waste.
10:11:46 But as summer goes on there is a good chance more restricted.
10:11:50 And then no matter when or where you are using fireworks, just make sure you're following smart common sense practices.
10:11:59 You know, every year we do see folks you know, celebrating one way or another with fireworks, both of the legal and illegal variety and the the consequences from careless use
of those Can be pretty
10:12:11 devastating. So you can check your local ordinances.
10:12:14 Check in with the burn band, and then make sure you're celebrating responsibly.
10:12:17 After that otherwise a fairly, and we always hate to jinx things by using the keyword, but otherwise a fairly I we can all thing for safe fireworks
10:12:29 usage. So key things to save fireworks. usage is, be mindful of what is near you.
10:12:35 Nothing that can catch easily on fire may make sure you're away from structures and large a lot of people have piles of dry grass right now, staying far away from those But
the most important from an individual health standpoint is
10:12:45 being thoughtful about where small children are and not drinking and setting off fireworks.
10:12:52 At the same time. that combination is an unfortunate mix and never, ever set off a firework in your hand. I trained at a trauma center, and I've seen far too many people have
that go wrong.
10:13:01 If you follow those basic principles you're much more likely to have a fun celebration with your fireworks, although we're, I believe, as a as a 19 this evening is the end of
the discharge period.
10:13:15 For this year. so time is running out to safely and set up any fireworks in in Washington State.
10:13:22 You can do them again around New year's eve right right Yeah, yeah.
10:13:29 I I was out on the water last night around 9 30 checking the crab pots, getting some crabs.
10:13:36 Yay. but I saw a number of dispersed firework displays, including some at our some of our county parks, which was a disappointment.
10:13:47 Because we were specifically trying to quell those uses of our parks.
10:13:53 But anyway, so some concern about that And then also I have a blade breaking covid.
10:13:59 Update that some of our public works team has contracted covid, and it's affecting the transfer station potentially.
10:14:08 So I know our transfer station leader or solid waste Leadership is working on covering it. But I just offered myself up tomorrow because I have a light schedule, and I I love
customer service.
10:14:18 So anyway. just saying it. Well, there's a lot of people online. if you're planning on going to the transfer station tomorrow, maybe check check the county website.
10:14:29 Beforehand, or call ahead. yeah, heidi can you operate heavy equipment. No, I can operate a catch register and a credit card.
10:14:41 But if they haven't already certainly make sure they contact our department, there are some critical worker exemptions that we can bring into play.
10:14:48 If a key pole functions won't won't exist if we do a kind of formal isolation in quarantine, and then I say, I misspoke it, that fireworks are allowed to be discharged to 11
10:15:00 Pm. this evening. Okay. I Don't Think so I just looked at the web or the Rcw.
10:15:11 You've got you're like 70 77 3 95 Yep, Yep, and between the hours of 9 o'clock Am.
10:15:14 And 11 o'clock Pm. on july fifth Oh, yeah, I yeah, totally. so.
10:15:21 I'm just wanting to add that we're gonna have an executive session after our work workshop on the No shooting area.
10:15:32 Oh, there will we've added an executive session, We have scheduled for 1045.
10:15:35 Assuming we can get that workshop taking care of quickly.
10:15:40 So just wanted to add that for the benefit of the public.
10:15:45 And can I have one more thing about as long as we're talking about fireworks?
10:15:48 I know I I work with with public works, and the port and fish and wildlife about the gardener boat.
10:15:55 Launch that as kind of part of the No shooting at this area application.
10:15:59 We hear a lot about the overuse of of that from out of town folks, and you put up temporary signs down there.
10:16:07 No camping, and and such pretty prominently and I I did drive by yesterday.
10:16:11 I'm sure it was aided by the rain and and hard to really tell causation.
10:16:17 But the the impact there. weren't you know rvs all weekend long kind of clogging up this this very close residential road.
10:16:25 So it seems as if it was again, perhaps weather assisted a success in sort of mitigating that that overuse that that neighbors have complained about previously in garden feels
like a small man that's a good report anything else for the
10:16:41 good of the order. Well, we've got more of the community with us.
10:16:46 Okay, Well, Dr. Barry, and will you got some time back this morning?
10:16:50 Thank you for being here and let's hope that covid continues, it's down trend or stabilizing. I keep saying after the pandemic and i'm i'm still optimistic that
10:17:02 we'll get to that point But we'll see you next week, or are we still on a pandemic? Are we in officially endemic mode?
10:17:12 You know It's it's always hard to tell for sure especially with variants that can come out.
10:17:17 But we are moving into a more endemic mode.
10:17:20 So. Yes, I think the pandemic phase of where this really shuts down functions will pass fully.
10:17:27 At some point the virus will be with us, but I think the the pandemic will pass.
10:17:32 Have you ever been to talk, Dr. Barry? But the the governors, or who or other emergency orders being lifted?
10:17:43 I have heard talk, but i've not heard a formal date. So that's something we're watching as well. it has a lot of implications for our response and and funding mechanisms as
Well, thank you
10:17:58 thank you have a good day, guys, and there's some air time back for Kptz. hopefully.
10:18:05 They'll place in Bob Marley which is what I always say I think we can groove our way out of the Covid update just wanting to remind folks who are online that we have added an
executive
10:18:18 session. to this meeting and it's set to be held from 1045 to 1115 regarding potential litigation.
10:18:26 So just a reminder. so it's 1018 and we have 12Â min until our workshop.
10:18:34 We've gotten through a we have a lighter agenda today.
10:18:39 That was Mark. Send it. it's okay to have a letter agenda after a holiday.
10:18:44 But does anyone want to do a little bit of maybe looking back?
10:18:50 Or or do you want to take a longer break what's what's your pleasure, colleagues
10:18:58 Pleasure of the chair, happy, happy to go back and and and look at my last week start sharing what we did last week.
10:19:09 I wonder if if we should since we did receive our Jeff Voc emails, and we are required to
10:19:18 Bye, bye, take an opportunity to read written comments.
10:19:22 As Mr. Tears reminded us today. I wonder if we should perhaps do that There was a pretty good number of them, so that that might be a good thing.
10:19:33 Okay, Great. input We will recess until 1030 when We'll come back for our workshop on the proposed Olyway.
10:19:43 No shooting area and have a broader conversation with some public input at that point.
10:19:49 So if you're online right now, and are interested in making public comments at that 1030 workshop you could get your hand raise now, or raise your hand right when we come back
at 1030 thanks everyone and we're
10:31:12 Sounds like somebody's making dinner in the background anyone else hearing that what's for dinner
10:31:29 Okay, just before 1030 on my cell phone so we'll Wait a couple seconds here
10:31:59 Okay, So i'm gonna call us back into order it's 1030, and
10:32:05 We are going to discuss and take potential action regarding a proposed greater, jolly way and Silverberry Place.
10:32:13 No shooting area under Chapter 8, that 50 of the Jefferson County code.
10:32:17 We are going to take a public comment on this item as discussed earlier this morning.
10:32:25 There was a lot of interest in that and i'm a big proponent of of getting more input on things.
10:32:31 So we are adding public comment, and I think we should take public comment before we do discuss and deliberate.
10:32:37 So if anybody is here who would like to make public comment on this proposed no shooting area, please, and you're in.
10:32:46 If you're in the zoom, room please raise your hand right Yeah, i'm just wondering. could we do it get public comment after the present in the staff presentation just so there
isn't thank you I was just trying to make
10:32:59 sure we did it before we deliberated okay so first, we'll hear from esteem our steam colleague, Philip Panzer on the proposed no shooting area, and then we will take public
comment and then we will
10:33:13 deliberate. So thank you for shers.
10:33:20 Can you all hear me. Okay, so we've been through this recently.
10:33:26 So I I didn't want to do the whole slideshow.
10:33:31 We did a couple of times in the past. So this is a truncated version.
10:33:34 I do have the other slides in case you want to bring them up to talk about them.
10:33:37 So Let's see how we do and what they need more detail. these are sort of the principals that you're operating under.
10:33:46 You have the final say under Jcc. 8.5 0 point 0, 5, 0, 6 State law limits to scope with any new shooting area.
10:33:56 There are requirements in Jcc: 8.5, 0 point 0, 5 0 that have to be met.
10:34:04 You have to decide 2 things Does the petition want consideration, and then you have to pick an option.
10:34:15 You also should provide for participation of tribes in the in the discussion.
10:34:23 So these are 3 choices: after deciding. If the petition warrants consideration. Well, the webinaring to locate an amicable solution within the proposed area, or send a petition
to a review committee and
10:34:46 Here's the here's the 8 point 5 0 point 0 5 0 the first requirement is there must be signatures that have been verified by the Jefferson County auditor.
10:35:00 And those are a resident in any precinct that is affected by the
10:35:10 Then I was shooting. Eric. Yeah, that have to have a 20 signatures, and that has been verified by the by the auditor.
10:35:19 And then, if you look at this, so these are. the 3 have contains the 3 requirements that I talked about
10:35:33 So these are the excuse me sorry about that.
10:35:43 So these are the 3 requirements that are for the 3 kind of pieces of law that you have to comply with.
10:35:54 There's a a preemption of local firearms regulations and State law that's been R.
10:36:00 C. W. 9, point 4, 1 point 2 9 0 but there's an exception in Rcw.
10:36:07 9.4, 1 point, 303 and that's carried forward into just C 8, point, 5, 0 0, 5 0 1.
10:36:20 And the except the exception is when there is a reasonable likelihood of Jeffrey to humans, domestic animals, or property.
10:36:28 And then in 8.5, 0 point, 0, 5, 0, 2 and 3.
10:36:34 There has to be a definable threat to the public health safety or general will.
10:36:41 So those are the standards. you're trying to meet So a little bit about the proposed greater jelly way, and silver play no shooting area proposal.
10:36:54 This is a rendering that was done by our by our Gis department, and shows you the area in contacts.
10:37:05 There's also a similar but less beautiful map that was attached to the petition.
10:37:11 So you can see what it says. And then the petition was attached to the agenda request today, and it has some key language in it that that relates to the standards that your
going to be considering when
10:37:32 you this ultimately decide whether to adopt the no shooting.
10:37:38 There we go and so i'll just leave it up there for a minute for people to look at, and when you're when you looked at it long enough.
10:37:48 Just let me know, and i'll go to the next slide
10:37:56 Very good. Yeah. Okay. And then more of the same
10:38:06 Let me know when you're ready and they actually attach to chart a bubble chart to the to the proposed.
10:38:17 No shooting area with occupied structures which I think is hopeful for the standards that you're looking at
10:38:34 Yeah. Okay, So back to the to the 3 choices that are into here.
10:38:47 And that is pretty much yet, unless you have questions
10:38:56 Any questions, Gregor. Kate. just to to verify that the the county has done the work, and auditors office and gis and feel that the petition met the requirements and ready for
consideration.
10:39:14 It does meet the requirements, it has to have a map that has to have a legal description, and it has to have the the 20 verified signatures.
10:39:25 It needs all those, and it looks like from the agenda request that the boundaries of this proposed no shooting area align with precinct precinct, 12 o one.
10:39:40 I think that may that's fine i'm just looking for it again.
10:39:44 Yup i'm just not was wondering if it exactly aligns with that precinct, but i'm sure it does.
10:39:51 If that's in the agenda request Okay, so any more any more presentation on this item before we open it up for public comment.
10:40:07 That's all I had. Okay, so if anyone is here on zoom with us today.
10:40:15 I would like to make a public comment on this item or if you're on the phone. if you're on the phone, you can press Star 9, and your hand will be raised.
10:40:24 If you're on zoom you use the race hand button at the bottom of the zoom screen.
10:40:29 And this is to comment before we start deliberating on the greater, jolly way and silver very place.
10:40:39 No shooting area, and the map that's great having that up the map of the proposed.
10:40:44 No shooting area, is there it aligns with voting precinct?
10:40:52 12 o one, which for those of you who don't know we just redid our precincts this this year, and the boundaries have been changed a little bit.
10:41:02 In some cases it looks just looking at it right now on Gis that it it hugs the borders of 12 o one, but does not encapsulate all of 13 from one goes all the way up
10:41:16 to past all the way up to the coast on the north side and Peninsula.
10:41:23 Okay, so that would be something to consider either making it all inclusive of the whole precinct or just not referring to that precinct in creation of the potential.
10:41:39 No shooting area. Well, you do have the you do have the ability to change the area as far as the product.
10:41:47 So i'm interested. in hearing seeing if anyone who's with us on the attendee list is interested in making comment on this proposed no shooting area.
10:41:58 I made a couple of calls for public comment. Please raise your hand using the race hand button at the bottom of the zoom screen or by pressing star 9 on the phone.
10:42:07 I see Tom Tier has his hand up
10:42:18 Good morning again, Tom. You'll have 3Â min for public comment when you unmute.
10:42:25 Oh, good morning again. don't think i'll need 3Â min this time.
10:42:30 I I didn't do the overlay looking at the precinct boundaries, but it's my understanding that the Commissioners have some sort of have sort of councilmematic authority in terms
of setting the boundaries for in
10:42:45 a photo shooting area it's Mr.
10:42:49 Han Sucker should verify that but that's my recollection, and if that's the case, then you know, as a I said, sent you a recommendation to expand the proposed area to cover
adjacent areas
10:43:04 specifically west of Hastings, which in fact, if you look at the the bubble chart that applied with the petition.
10:43:11 That's some some properties, just west on off side of Hastings, just to join the way that are overlapped by those bubbles.
10:43:21 And just you know, keep on extending that out toward the water, which is only not a 1,000.
10:43:27 And you You're covering. a whole bunch of other properties that are actually higher density residual than either Julie Way or Silverberry Place.
10:43:37 So that's you know the basis for for my recommendation is you know what's good for the goose good for the gander, and if there's a safety issue on Julie way, then there really
is also one West
10:43:46 of Hastings, because, as I noted blob of gunfire coming from that area over the years, so it just seems reasonable and sensible to just make an easily identifiable shape of
properties where the no shooting area can
10:44:05 be noticed, posted and enforced so that's about it thank you
10:44:15 I see another hand up and the on the phone you're gonna need to press Star 6 to unmute yourself.
10:44:23 The phone number ending in 9 5 3 and you'll have 3Â min for public comment.
10:44:32 Hello!
10:44:36 We can't hear you so
10:44:44 They were unmuted in the and they eat it themselves looks like they're unmuted.
10:44:52 Oh, Hand went down Okay, Do we wanna start discussion?
10:45:05 We have another we we're we're scheduled to go into executive session at 1045.
10:45:12 But I feel like one comment I wanted to make is in our consideration of the Cape.
10:45:19 The larger keep, George Boundary. There was some comments from some of our tribal colleagues that
10:45:23 Public lands that are considered in the nose shooting area.
10:45:27 Should be considered differently, because they're actually relied on by some some tribes for hunting and and gathering, So they're traditional tribal activities.
10:45:40 So that would be something that in terms of Mr. tush's common.
10:45:44 I would want a to look very closely at and get tribal input if we were to expand the snow shooting area beyond what the proposed boundary is for the Julie way current proposed
only way Silverberry place
10:46:02 Greg. Thank you. I was really impressed with this petition.
10:46:06 Actually, you know the the bubble chart that Philip pointed out.
10:46:11 I thought, really really instructive, as as well as the mere unanimous consensus of the of the residents within the area.
10:46:19 So I also saw that 120 acre Dnr parcel, and and that we would have the same objection from the the tribes if we included that in this in this proposal.
10:46:33 And I I think that the proposal as presented to me has demonstrated it needs the standard we need to reach, so i'd be. i'd be happy to to have a hearing on the proposal petition
as
10:46:47 we received it. Kate: Yeah. a few things. Yeah. just to to call out that
10:47:00 The petition did state that of the land landowners who were, Excuse me, residents, which is the threshold for these petitions.
10:47:09 Who were able to be reached 91.7% of them were in support of the No shooting area.
10:47:15 And for me I think it's really important to garner that kind of buy-in from a community to consider this so I think i'll say i'm I am in favor of moving this forward to a hearing
in terms of
10:47:29 expanding it across the road. I would really want the residents there to be driving that and and kind of you know, making a case for why that area should be included.
10:47:43 It's a it. The I find the statute really interesting on this because it's, you know it's largely driven by residents of the area, which makes sense you know we we generally
do not try not to
10:47:55 curtail rights unless there is a need to do so.
10:47:57 And but you know in this case it's like we don't wait until there's an injury, or or you know, got for bed at death in order to take action when there is a risk to public health,
and safety so but I would
10:48:13 still want to get a lot of input from other regions before expanding out.
10:48:19 And so just say that if if folks are interested in some of those more densely populated areas nearby we haven't had hunt sucker respond yet.
10:48:28 But I We've been through this before we do have the ability to expand, and change the the boundary of the new shooting area under consideration.
10:48:36 So I would encourage those folks to kind of organize themselves and be prepared to speak for or against expansion.
10:48:46 Definitely need to consult with the tribes on.
10:48:49 I think either way current proposal or an expanded proposal.
10:48:56 But yeah, generally also an agreement that this warrants a a hearing, and I agree on the hearing approach as well.
10:49:06 So I don't know what more we need to discuss here.
10:49:12 I mean, I look look to the South a little bit of the existing boundary, and I know there's quite a few houses down on jade proper way.
10:49:19 For example. so I mean it would be interesting. I feel like you know.
10:49:24 It would benefit us to hear from folks who live adjacent to this proposal.
10:49:29 Shooting area as part of this process as opposed to amending, and you know, having a bunch more no shooting area proposals potentially.
10:49:42 So we would just let's just schedule this for a hearing.
10:49:45 Is there anything else anyone wants to add i'll i'll move that we that we schedule a hearing to for to consider establishing a proposed greener joy way, and so we're very place
no shooting area under chapter 8 point
10:49:57 5 yeah a second, but with some further discussion. okay just let's discuss just
10:50:10 It'd be helpful to get some clarification from a Mr.
10:50:14 Hampshire on expansion and you know I guess i'm curious kind of that the authority We have the authority to do it.
10:50:24 Do we have the authority to do it without any input from from neighboring, from from other neighborhoods and residents?
10:50:31 Yes, cause I think the the more clearly we can define the scope for the hearing.
10:50:43 I think we'll get more meaningful input so I Guess I'm kind of curious like is this something we would take to residents and say, would you like to see it expanded or Take a
very passive approach and consider
10:50:57 expanded boundary, knowing that that this business of the Bcc.
10:51:03 Is not, you know, always widely understood. or known well you could set it for here, and it would have another workshop on it where you, you know, put it out there.
10:51:14 You're gonna have a discussion about this the size of it.
10:51:17 That's Another way to do it. if you wanna Give people another chance for to weigh in on the scope of it.
10:51:26 You can have way in at the hearing you can deliberate on it.
10:51:30 There's lots of ways you can go at it it Seems like If we got a up updated boundary put our hearing call out with the ample time for public input and promoted the hearing that
that would afford us the ability to
10:51:45 get a lot of input. at the hearing about the proposed area, and I would like to see any because because they precinct boundaries are mentioned in that.
10:51:57 You know, i'm all sensitized to the precinct boundaries. from all that work I did that would be interesting to see an overlay of the precinct boundaries on this map, although
I don't know
10:52:09 that that would necessarily go into the ordinance. the precincts are aren't I don't think we matter in terms of the the ordinance, it's just a proposal era
10:52:22 considering it was just a proposal era, considering it was just kind of an agenda request, so I was to share my screen and show you the the boundary.
10:52:28 Sure, but I think the the question i'm getting at is what we want to expand the boundary for the hearing notice, and i'm a little sheepish to do that without having any input
we did in our last hearing regarding the because there
10:52:44 were the 2 different drastically different sized proposals you know. invite some of the more dense neighborhoods around the keep George Colony to to submit or be considered
and and we didn't receive any and I
10:53:00 don't think we received any comment asking for expansion of it so it's it.
10:53:02 It. Isn't like this is the first opportunity either so you could put Mr.
10:53:07 Tirish's comments in the in the us in the in the agenda request for the hearing.
10:53:18 You have that larger scope in there. Maybe that would generate more more comments, and it's tricky to do that in the hearing.
10:53:25 Notice you have to pick what the ordinance is going to say, and then and then, you know, pick the size of it, or the scope of it for the notice.
10:53:34 But but you could do that that's gonna yeah i'm sure the Pdn.
10:53:43 And the later report on this. So in the agenda request, we could say, It has been suggested that this no shooting area could be and describe a broader boundary.
10:53:57 Hearing notice y the precincts matter what precincts. it. It hit matters for purposes of figuring out what the signature requirement has been met.
10:54:12 But it. but it doesn't matter for you decision on how broad to make this.
10:54:19 So once you once you've gotten a petition that satisfies the 20 signature of the requirement, you can expand it.
10:54:27 Just have to meet those standards in the ordinance and the Rcw.
10:54:32 And it would add 2 more, at least 2 more dnr parcels, another 80 acres.
10:54:36 We're talking 200 acres of public land that is used not just by tries, but also by residential visitors for hunting.
10:54:44 That, you know I don't think is would meet the standard of of you know, including, and I know no shooting area.
10:54:50 So i'm more inclined to let the petition define the area that we talk about in in the hearing, and then not including Mr.
10:55:01 Tier's recommendation in the hearing notice necessarily but where the agenda notice, but including, as part of the the record is is certainly
10:55:14 Yeah, I have the same concerns about the Dnr land in particular county on land to some degree.
10:55:22 And just trying to pick it. Is there a way we could word the hearing notice, so that you know it includes that we may choose to expand the boundary into other more densely populated
areas.
10:55:37 Yes, I think so, and I guess i'm I know We i've mentioned that we have that that about is is absolutely reasonable. but I think one of the strengths of this of this petition
is that it's got you know over 90% of the
10:55:51 residents, and you know maybe they carved out a few pieces of property to to get that that near consensus
10:55:59 But I guess I I don't I don't feel that we have enough of a reason to start talking about other boundaries, and the agenda item for the hearing. Yeah, that makes sense to me
I mean if someone has a proposal
10:56:15 in response to this hearing notice, they can make it right yup and we can. i'm happy to make that clear.
10:56:22 And then I notice now, yeah, okay, sounds like we're in agreement about that.
10:56:27 Thank you. So there was a motion and a second on the floor I'll i'll are we ready for a vote, although all those in favor of scheduling a hearing on this proposed no shooting
area for the greater
10:56:41 jolly way and silver very place i'll say aye hi!
10:56:49 Okay, Thank you guys. Thank you, Philip. Hello. Okay. So we are.
10:56:58 Oh, we are running late We're running late for our executive session, so we'll just I think, expand the time out.
10:57:06 I, 10Â min or so. so are we ready to go into executive session now?
10:57:15 I have my. So we are gonna go into executive session with county administer Chief Civil deputy, prosecuting attorney, Deputy prosecuting attorney 3 and DCD Director regarding
potential
10:57:31 litigation and exemption. Exemption is outlined in the Opm. A.
10:57:36 Rc. to open public meetings. Act, Rcw. 42, 3,100, and 10 Parentheses, one parentheses. I.
10:57:46 We are going in at 1057 and we'll come out at 1127.
11:29:14 Caroline. Hello, Yes, i'm extending
11:29:28 Wait for it to start running on my screen
11:29:36 There we go. Okay. So I am coming. out of executive session, and we are going to be extending our executive session for 15Â min.
11:29:48 So I'm. extending our executive, session with County administrator, Chief civil deputy, prosecuting attorney, deputy, prosecuting killing attorney 3 and DCD Director
11:29:58 regarding potential litigation and exemptions as outlined in the open Public Meetings Act, Rcw.
11:30:09 It's 1130 now. I'm extending for 15Â min until 1145.
11:46:37 Turn on any capture
11:46:50 Right ready when you are
11:46:55 Bring over Kate. I see her
11:47:04 I can't hear you and I was muted we are coming out of executive session with County administrator, Chief Civil deputy, prosecuting Attorney deputy, prosecuting prosecuting *
and dCD Director
11:47:20 regarding potential litigation and exemption is outlined in the open public meetings.
11:47:27 Act. Rcw. 42, 30 dot, 110 parentheses, one parentheses I and we are not Taking action.
11:47:34 Philip, did I see your hand up? I was just gonna ask to be devoted?
11:47:38 That's all okay? So is so do we want to do some briefing and calendaring, and then take a lunch break.
11:47:52 There's no washack meeting today. the next thing on our agenda is our 130 session with Northwest Central resource group on forest rotations and carbon storage and seth zuckerman
let
11:48:08 me know that Kirk Hansen will be joining from his team as well today.
11:48:14 So what do you guys think? Do you need a little break?
11:48:16 Do you wanna jump right into briefing back and everything? Did we start briefing?
11:48:24 I think we did we were going to i'm not sure if I ever had the chance.
11:48:31 I think we ended up I don't think anybody calendar to anything.
11:48:37 Okay, yeah. So Greg, do you wanna that's how we did last week.
11:48:47 Yes, it was, you know not a lot of big meetings lots of small meetings with folks Now we're all at the Budget meeting when it's Los Angeles on Wednesday for the Olympic community
of health
11:48:59 everyone housed action collaborative. So our our 3 area accountable animal center of health, but community of health.
11:49:08 You know, has taken kind of an unusual step to include housing in there in their in their action plan this week.
11:49:16 So it was really here this year. good good meeting. lots of you know.
11:49:22 3 county housing providers were there, and and it was kind of the theme of the week, because we also have the under the tent meeting with the housing solutions network at San
Juan on Thursday.
11:49:35 I presented Brent Butler joined me a little bit, and there was rocket supplies.
11:49:40 When Brent went over the we only had 2Â min so he briefly Bullet pointed some of the items that they are going to present to us at the July eleventh meeting for figuring out
the work plan I mean
11:49:52 we've had an ambitious work plan at dCD for a while that they did not have capacity to complete, and they still don't.
11:49:59 But there's a lot of important things I think they're gonna look for priorities from us, for so that was really good good conversations afterwards as well.
11:50:10 My talk was mostly about how one of the David Sullivan's lines that I use a lot is people come to us with with outside the box solutions all the time.
11:50:20 And we really have to work inside the box, and I feel like in the housing matrix right now.
11:50:28 We are actually working out of the box, too, and more of a ceremonial facility.
11:50:33 Just, you know, going to these meetings and and having these talks across agencies, and with faith based and nonprofit organizations.
11:50:38 And I I think it's been really effective so far so i'm glad to be working both in and out of the box at Jefferson County.
11:50:45 So that was kind of my presentation there. lots of great conversation.
11:50:53 And I think, yeah, we'll wait until the the presentation on the eleventh to I will identify, which which items got the most applause.
11:51:02 When when Grant project presents them next week did a lot of work with the gardener.
11:51:09 Fireworks, you know, trying to prevent camping and when I drove drove by on Monday on the Fourth of July. There was no one overnight parked in camping at the the fish and wildlife
parking
11:51:22 lot and the field that's adjacent to that so that felt like a real success, and, thanks to public works for for working so quickly on that there were a few folks over on a private
piece of property with some you know, pop ups out on the
11:51:33 beach on the Fourth of July that I you know it's it's not about eliminating entirely.
11:51:39 It's kind of about mitigating the impacts at least that was my approach.
11:51:43 For the for the surrounding neighborhood, and I I think that we did that, probably helped by the rain.
11:51:50 Other big things. Let's see yeah a lot on fireworks worked on the fireworks stand and port leadlows and good communication.
11:52:03 Some not so good communication, but was was happy with the outcome, and that they were able to go.
11:52:06 The the fireworks standard part lead low. There are a lot of complaints about it.
11:52:13 And the yeah, I I think the resolution was good you know it wasn't appropriate inside the Npr.
11:52:18 But they had another location Down in quilting that they went and continued selling fireworks at
11:52:24 There was an open house Friday after afternoon that was unfortunately sort of poorly attended to go through the public art for the Seventh Haven Building.
11:52:37 If you guys want when we have a little more time, I can actually share them with you.
11:52:41 If you would like to give input because this afternoon after we're done, We're making our final decisions from the 6 artists that we have selected to be finalists for 2 locations
of art on the seventh haven building one in the
11:52:53 parking lot kind of the concrete wall that just extends past DCD wrapping on 2 sides of that wall in the southeast corner, and the other on the opposite side at the residential
entrance and
11:53:07 child care facility. they're up on on Hendrix there.
11:53:12 So some great options. and if you guys wanna see him happy to show him and get your input before we make the decision tonight, but did get votes and appreciate the the public
coming out for those. and those are my seem we don't have a lot.
11:53:25 Of time. I will I will stop there from my report on last week.
11:53:31 Don't necessarily have to end right at 12 unless someone has a conflict, cause there is no lossack meeting, so we can go a little over okay last week.
11:53:43 Let's see. Had a meeting with a new economic Development Council Finance committee meeting, and we're, you know, continuing to try to re-vamp the Edc in the purview of the 5
way agreement
11:53:58 but also as a separate standalone, * and there's or excuse me, c. 4 but then there's some kind of inherent tensions, and how much do we let you know are they a free standing
11:54:09 nonprofit. How much do the public sector supporters?
11:54:14 Can I get to call the shots there so what to like to figure out there?
11:54:19 But Abc's doing a great job getting back on its speech, and as I board you before the the numbers don't look great in terms of operations sustainable operations throughout the
for the foreseeable
11:54:33 future. So stay tuned on that one getting ready for a legislative steering committee with the Association of Counties.
11:54:45 We have a retreat coming up in September, and as co-chair, that starting to do some planning for that.
11:54:51 So narrowing down there's some small groups working on specific categories of legislation priority areas for mosa to consider
11:55:00 So fair amount of work and thinking going into how we organize that and prepare for that September Retreat Budget Committee also.
11:55:10 Wednesday morning. you know I I do something I take away from. That is just that, you know.
11:55:18 I think it market it. You know I would like to find some way that we that the the Commissioners take part in kind of the budget assumptions that we set forth at the beginning
of the process, So just in in that
11:55:34 process. If we can be thinking about where that where that fits in
11:55:37 Just since the budget is our number one deliverable that we're responsible for want to be sure that we, or on this, you know, thinking along the same lines for the assumptions
that go into that budget process
11:55:53 let's see So a great meeting the nodc is dragging into some energy resilience work and with the the national lab, the cell, and swim, and
11:56:09 There will be hosting a energy resilience forum, or summit for the Peninsula next year sometime.
11:56:19 And so number of stakeholders came together that talked about it.
11:56:21 It was fascinating to see probably 8 different organizations represented, and every one of us had kind of a different interest like in a topic that I thought would be like.
11:56:32 I just assume that everyone is interested in the same aspect of energy, resilience, and it wasn't it was, you know it makes sense.
11:56:37 The pudies are interested in, and grid resilience.
11:56:43 And you know, i'm i'm very interested in in energy production to reduce carbon footprints and like it was just really wide range of their training.
11:56:56 So that'll be I think it'll be a great summit.
11:57:01 The National Laboratory has a ton of expertise and and so that, you know, is that is getting closer.
11:57:09 I think we all met with the sidewalk Labs folks.
11:57:14 I heard that that project is is not moving forward, which is disappointed to hear that.
11:57:22 You know, Always happy to have innovation, especially in forest products.
11:57:25 The considered here, and hope that something like it might pop up in the future.
11:57:33 Had a meeting with Department of Commerce Wednesday afternoon to go over the new climate change.
11:57:41 Jeffrey has a plan chapter that counties that many of the plan in 2,023 will be implementing for the first time.
11:57:48 So providing input on what what that chapter might look like in in Gma.
11:57:58 Let's see Wednesday quite a bit of work on child care it last week.
11:58:04 So the hospital school district, Ymca. putting together a proposal for their funding grant application for health care facility.
11:58:13 Here's the tensor that's moving forward nicely just don't have formal agreement from all the partners yet.
11:58:22 But hopefully, we'll be able to talk about that a little more in coming weeks.
11:58:27 Had a meeting of the North Olympic Legislative Alliance.
11:58:30 Also trying to narrow down the legislative agenda for next session, and see if we again kind of like legislative steering committee, narrowing down a very broad list trying
to get to what what is most
11:58:46 impactful. What the most people can agree on those are not always the same things.
11:58:50 Of course and I will be leading the housing subcommittee.
11:58:56 To be coming up with a couple of housing, legislative or or budgetary items that we will take forward to the whole like legislative alliance to vote on.
11:59:10 So continue to seek input from housing solutions network.
11:59:14 I talked to a lot of our providers last week to narrow down the list, and welcome further input from any of you on that.
11:59:24 Let's see, we have an odc meeting on Friday.
11:59:29 Specifically on strategic planning not much to report there.
11:59:33 Getting the narrowing down on strategic plan. kind of chat with Brent on Friday afternoon midday.
11:59:42 Rather about the planning commission appointment process and that's something that we should find time to discuss this afternoon.
11:59:49 So let's drop down a note on the Agenda for that, and let's see.
11:59:59 Just shout out Saturday. The field day at Fort Warden at the Production Alliance hosted i'm sure, in partnership with port.
12:00:07 One also is a great event really nice to see oops out and about great job with the laser show, but i'll turn into fireworks, and then I love the rest of the weekend. but for
flag.
12:00:20 There, so that's it good report let's see my last week.
12:00:34 Little bit of planning for it as to care rats to schools ribbon cutting tomorrow at the cedar Ab project, and and by the library, and hadlock and I have a bunch of stuff here
let's see
12:00:51 last week I had a little bit of non scheduled time, so I could dig into some projects which was felt like luxurious.
12:01:01 It feels like it's been a while since there had been breathing space.
12:01:03 In my calendar. had Budget committee with all of you guys.
12:01:10 Attended a piece of sound partnership funding team listing session about Laos and any p funding for potential additional funding for Laos to implement projects and communities
and it's a charge moment within within that
12:01:31 community and feels like there's, kind of a a loss of confidence in in the various levels between the lios and the cells, and the to sound partnership proper, and you know i'm
i'm confident we can get
12:01:47 through it all, but it just feels like there have been last opportunities for communication.
12:01:56 I attended the launch of the Western flyer. It was a boat that was in the yard.
12:02:05 For 7 years since over 3 million dollar, project in our community, and a number of my good friends worked on the project the whole time, so I wanted to go down and support my
community, and it was very inspiring. it's probably one of the most inspiring
12:02:18 things. i've done and a long time and super proud of the ship rights in our community, and the level of the project.
12:02:29 It's a a very large you know complete Rebuild Have a wooden fishing vessel, and so was beautiful to see it go back in the water, and it's now in Seattle getting Its systems
installed
12:02:43 engines and all that systems, and also had the meeting that Kate mentioned with sidewalk labs about the project.
12:02:53 You know I know Rainier is interested in thinking about sites they have in the county, and how we can be innovative, and I look forward to those conversations as the as they
come in the future.
12:03:07 Sad to see this one walk away. had a Jefferson Community Foundation celebration on Thursday evening with all the my fellow board members, and was great to just be in person
with them.
12:03:24 First of all, I haven't, been in person with them much at all over the last couple of years, as long as I've really been engaged with the community Foundation, and it just felt
nice to like set around a bonfire with people that
12:03:35 you work very actively with, and meet some of them face to face.
12:03:42 Friday I had a late day getting the crab pots in the water Crab Crab camp is a huge priority for me in the summer, with my goddaughters.
12:03:55 It's the best time we have together, so it was a wonderful weekend of crabbing for our little team and hi!
12:04:05 Friday evening drove out to like Sutherland and hat broke bread, and had a meeting with Senator Vandeg about forest policy, and where he's coming from and trying to understand
and trying to make him understand where
12:04:21 i'm coming from and talking about, plant communities and so it was a great conversation, and I feel like you know we heard each other, and that was good and made some crab,
cause we cut some that day.
12:04:37 So that was last week, but you know, last week was also about kind of updating my most important tasks list and thinking about
12:04:45 Julie and I worked on boards and commissions and kind of thinking about.
12:04:50 There's been a number of applicants for the planning commission seats, as Kate just talked about.
12:04:54 We need to talk about this later. and also, you know, for me, being the newest Commissioner, what are the standard operating procedures for various committee appointments, and
I feel like we should develop more of a plan for those as
12:05:13 opposed to having them. Just be kind of out with ad hoc, and on a kind of a one off basis, or at least so the community knows what to expect.
12:05:22 When they raise their hand for these boards and committees.
12:05:28 And number of calls from constituents last week there's a there's a informal rv parks and Irondale road that are creating a curve fluffle in my community and and hadlock and
12:05:43 i've been hearing from a number of neighboring residents that they're concerned, and I see additional rvs coming in and additional clearing happening.
12:05:52 And so i've been working with dCD and we're talking to Dev about it.
12:05:56 But it's feels like it's going on a long time this one issue.
12:06:00 That one, David Sullivan tells me when I came into my role as some of the issues he dealt with, he dealt with for multiple terms, so not taking it personally, But I am trying
to see if we can come to resolution
12:06:13 on. Some of these had a great conversation with Vicki Sontag, who has been coming to our meetings about housing, but she just called me more about process, and she had a couple
of great ideas like renaming the
12:06:29 laser feature link on the website to document documents so people know, and they're looking for a document.
12:06:35 What's what's laser fees right So in you know, just making the website more accessible for the public.
12:06:41 And so i've talked with Mark and carolyn and Julie about this, and we're moving forward with renaming some of the links and making things more accessible some work with odt
trying
12:06:57 to trying to get a workshop planned on the Olympic Discovery Trail.
12:07:01 Jefferson County section so that we're all kind of up up to speed on what's going on what's been going on in District 2 and district 3.
12:07:12 I think when we get out on the west side of discovery Bay we're We're in your district.
12:07:16 Greg and then still still ticking away at Trailhead Park with some of the neighbors. Pete, Lakeley and Norma Cloud and Jeff tap Jeff Chapman. we're talking about convening a
meeting group
12:07:35 of the neighbors out there have been involved working to get an update with Denise banker on school based mental health funding and what what we project the need might be.
12:07:49 So when we go into the behavioral Health advisory committee meeting, I kinda know you know what our side bars are.
12:07:55 There. one issue that I wanted to get input maybe from Well, both of you is
12:08:04 There's been a Request to consider renaming anderson Lake Road, the Timicum trail used to be referred to, or or known as the the Timicum Trail.
12:08:17 And I feel like that that it's a it's a great idea, and actually what they're interested in is just having a chimicum trail sign added to Anderson like Road. So i've done some
analysis with gis how many
12:08:28 residents are on Anderson Lake Road. How many addresses would change if we change the name.
12:08:34 We're not really interested in changing the name anyway, but it feels like they're tribal issues that maybe I can get guidance from those of you who've dealt with bringing issues
to the tribes who
12:08:50 do I start with you know that's basically my question who do I start with
12:08:55 I've got contacts with the chimicum tribe locally.
12:08:57 But who else do I need to talk? to I I would assume James down scalin because monous rock, and it's on Anderson Lake Road?
12:09:07 So I don't know that's half i'm halfway down my list.
12:09:10 So I I have a lot of things in motion but I guess that's that's that's serves as an update for what was going on last week.
12:09:26 Any feedback on any of my questions. Initially, I mean certainly Chemical and Jamestown.
12:09:36 I think the there's there's 7 tribes right that that have usual custom around there.
12:09:42 I mean if you're i'm not sure I don't I don't know the answer.
12:09:45 I guess if you're talking about taking a an indigenous name, it's good to have the communications.
12:09:52 I'm not sure the best way to proceed I think Kate has more experience.
12:09:55 9. yeah, maybe basically here public works you know like There's also our internal process.
12:10:07 : have them working with Monty on this. Okay?
12:10:09 Great and then I think, dapp department of archaeologic insert preservation might be helpful on the tribal front.
12:10:16 We do have a a few different lists for consultation.
12:10:21 Government Government consultation, varying numbers of tribes on that quite no point.
12:10:27 Treaty councils. Another, you know good clearing house that only represents 2 tribes right now.
12:10:31 But So yeah, if if if we get serious about it I I would suggest talking to the dap and getting some guidance from them on best way to proceed.
12:10:47 Do you have a contact there? I do. Yep: Yeah, I can share that with you.
12:10:52 That'd be great. Oh, great that was my one real help!
12:10:59 Where do I start? And it was? Is public work supportive of a name?
12:11:07 Change not a name change per se though you're not no one's address changes it's just kind of adding, .
12:11:20 Just wonder, would that be confusing since it's not a trail?
12:11:24 I don't think so. I mean there are lots of examples Monty shared a number with me of secondary signs, you know.
12:11:33 Yeah, make it brown, you know, exactly protocol for They're all brown.
12:11:40 The signs that i've seen but no I mean i'm i'm i'm energized by the conversation, and I feel like
12:11:47 It's a it's a good one to have and to follow all the all the leads, and try and get to an answer
12:11:59 And and I I'm assuming you Guys are interested in an update on Odt.
12:12:02 Jefferson County Efforts. Okay.
12:12:11 Anything else. No? Okay, well do we wanna look forward to calendaring, or do we wanna take a lunch break?
12:12:19 Come back at 1 30. what's what's your pleasure folks Yeah, I love a lunch break coming in back in 1 30 sounds great.
12:12:29 And then maybe we can do calendaring this afternoon. Look, look ahead this afternoon.
12:12:34 Yeah, after the 1 30 event is is concluded that's when I get to planning commission that's important.
12:12:43 I wrote that on the agenda. I got it, Kate.
12:12:45 Thank you. Okay. Well, then, I will recess us until 1 30 and get outside.
13:31:47 And it's Kate in the building just hurts the door.
13:31:52 Yes, there she is in here I see kirk i'll bring him over
13:32:15 Ready when you are
13:32:21 Afternoon. Okay, it's it's 1 32 so I will call us back into order.
13:32:29 Surface County Commissioners, July fifth 2022, and we are join for our first item on this afternoon agenda by our colleagues at Northwest.
13:32:41 Natural resource group. Seth Suckerman and Kirk Hansen and
13:32:45 Greg and I had the good fortune of sitting in a presentation of sets at a recent wasac convening timber timber school, and we're where really impressed and left feeling like
we had more questions
13:33:03 and that the presentation that you made Seth really started to unlock some both answers and questions.
13:33:11 And we thought, okay, would love. Kate needs to see this, too.
13:33:13 So we're grateful that You're here I think you're pretty up to speed on what Jefferson County has been going through for the last couple of months around legacy for us or older
forests in Jefferson
13:33:28 county. we all share a concern about the natural heritage.
13:33:33 These forests represent in our community and then also understand that there's kind of demands on them from our junior taxing districts beneficiaries to Dnr trusts, and so we've
just been trying to
13:33:48 grapple with what our options are going forward there's a set of the lands that dnr manages in Jefferson County that are called State Forest transfer lands.
13:33:57 And those are the forest board lands, they're also known as in those are We're originally county lands that were given to the State to manage for the county, and there's about
15,000 Acres of those in
13:34:10 Jefferson County, and by our estimation and estimation of other colleagues in the community about 1,500 acres or 10% of those are these older, or what are referred to as legacy
for us, and it's
13:34:26 been a deep dive the last couple of months. but I feel like we're just starting to learn so and you're part of that. so welcome.
13:34:35 I just want to give a little bit of background for people who are joining us. and tell us i'm guessing gonna Hand it over to you, Seth, unless anyone else has an initial question
13:34:53 Alright. Well, thanks so much for inviting me i'm going to share my screen I have a few slides to sort of go into a little bit more in depth on on this topic.
13:35:05 I had to come up with some new ones, of course, because Greg reprised my presentation so well last week.
13:35:13 I was like. Oh, I i'm gonna have to do a whole bunch more more work for this to to be new.
13:35:19 So there is. There is some new stuff, and then also some material that that that Greg breathed through pretty quickly.
13:35:27 So you hopefully please see my screen. And now the question is, do you see my notes, or do you actually just see the slideshow?
13:35:39 Now we see the slideshow perfect alright so just a quick overview of what i'm gonna talk about today.
13:35:50 I'm gonna i'm gonna go back and contrast those 2 approaches of what does it mean to What do you get by cutting forests when they're young?
13:35:58 Versus when you cutting them when they're older and then that's those are both in the realm of what's called even age management.
13:36:06 And then I want to talk about what what what you would get if you were to cut older forests at once versus thinning them over a period of time.
13:36:14 And then, if you do propose a new strategy, how would you make that transition?
13:36:19 And The results I'm going to present are based on modeling that was done using the forest services.
13:36:26 Fvs program, Forest Vegetation simulator, not based on actual county lands from Jefferson County, but a sort of generic West Side forest from Lewis County.
13:36:38 If the county you know it's obviously you know data, you could collect data and use the correct site index for Jefferson County and come up with more customized modeling based
on actual forests, that are part of the trust transfer
13:36:56 lands as well as the actual growing conditions in these Jefferson County.
13:37:02 The other thing I really wanna emphasize here is that didn't we just go back here for a second.
13:37:13 Is that our role is is to inform and not to advocate.
13:37:17 In this presentation. we really, you know, we work with landowners who have multiple objectives, income, ecological integrity and restoration, carbon storage, recreation.
13:37:28 And so what we try to do is to help them come up with and craft a plan and then implement it to meet their needs, and how they see their needs.
13:37:40 And that, of course, defining those needs is the job of the Board of Commissioners representing the Jefferson County public.
13:37:44 So we're not here to say what those needs ought to be but we would.
13:37:50 Our hope is to give you some tools, some if then tools so that you know if you pursue X course of action, you'll get outcomes Y and Z.
13:38:02 And then it's up to you to decide if y and Z.
13:38:04 Or what you want. So just a couple of word of background about Northwest Natural Resource group.
13:38:10 I know that some people may not be familiar with that familiar with us because we've been away from Jefferson County for a while our organization was actually founded in 4 towns
in 30 years ago, as the Olympic
13:38:23 Peninsula Foundation as part of the response to the jobs in the woods program and the the Northwest Forest Plan in 1,990.
13:38:34 7. our focus shifted to forestry and forest certification, and we changed our name to Nn.
13:38:40 Rg. 11 years ago moved to Seattle, as when a new, my predecessor, Dan Stonington, was hired as a as the executive director. but we've recently renewed our presence in Jefferson
13:38:53 county, and, in fact, this Saturday in full scene we're hosting a workshop on ecological forest management at a site where we recently oversaw a thinning one of our demonstration
forests and If you go
13:39:08 to Nrg org slash events. You can find out more information about that.
13:39:14 What we do and I'd like to introduce here. you see. Yeah, I mentioned we mentioned that Kirk is on is on the line will be participating in the Q. A.
13:39:25 After this there's kirk right there in his natural habitat, looking up at a forest with some people at a recent workshop.
13:39:35 And so part of what we do. We have a whole set of forest benefit programs that provide forest education for an industrial forest.
13:39:41 Owners of all kinds, be they family forests, land trusts, community groups, such as church camps and youth camps and municipalities. we work on climate.
13:39:54 Addictation. We have a few demonstration forests, and we conduct some research as well.
13:40:01 On the private benefit side we provide on the ground forestry services and management, planning, consulting timber, appraisal to harvest administration, and that sort of thing.
13:40:15 So let me talk about how forests grow over time.
13:40:22 When a forest starts is this graph depicts, And one of this is this is great to see, Google great Passover.
13:40:30 The previous slide that was in this deck. It was a little bit complicated.
13:40:34 It showed several different kinds of forks. This one just shows one, and it looks at how the growth that a forced puts on per year changes over time, and it starts out negligible
as the forest starts to grow and the the canopy starts
13:40:51 cover the land, and then it eventually peaks, and then it tends to drop off.
13:40:58 The net productivity drops off. You can average this out and This is from a researcher named Curtis, published about nearly 30 years ago, based on work that's been going on
for really decades in the northwest that graph that peaks the one that
13:41:14 was in the purple and the previous one that's how much the growth is per year in cubic feet of wood per acre per year, and then that second graph, the one the one that sort
of rises and and peaks at just
13:41:30 over a 100 that's the mean so if you were to average out.
13:41:36 How much was, how much group per year over the entire lifetime of the forest?
13:41:43 That second. the lower graph is is the one that you can that eventually peaks around 80, and it peaks because that the annual growth reaches a maximum, and then as it descends
and crosses that's
13:41:59 the the highest productivity that you can get from the forest.
13:42:06 And this was the classic approach to forest management until forests were financialized as an asset, and the goal shifted from producing the most.
13:42:16 Would you can, to getting the highest rate of return on investment that you could.
13:42:22 So why does that? Why is now one thing to notice is at the for those first 20 years there's almost no growth.
13:42:30 And why is that it's because the the sunlight is not landing on anything that can photosynthesize?
13:42:39 And if you look real close here, you can see in the background, there's a couple of tiny little seedlings, but most of the sunlight. and there you is, and there for all the
photons that could produce
13:42:51 photosynthesis fall just on in between the trees and that's cause you know the trees are little you know.
13:42:57 This is. Look! look at the Hope embodied in that tiny little seedling there, but it's gonna take a while before it can spread its branches to capture that sunlight from the
standpoint of carbon which is one
13:43:12 of the elements of concern here. Why is why does this matter?
13:43:17 Because forests function as carbon pumps. And this is the sort of the basic, most basic depiction of that where the carbon goes from the atmosphere by photosynthesis synthesis
to
13:43:32 the forest, and then through milling and construction, winds up in buildings, and then some of it winds up in the landfill after the buildings are are gone. and are, you know,
are dismantled we can Look at this
13:43:46 in a more nuanced way. and see that that some carbon has lost it every step along the way.
13:43:52 When you log not all of the carbon from the forest winds up.
13:43:58 Going to the meal. Some of the the tops, the branches
13:44:03 All of that is left behind in the forest. it will will decay pretty quickly, and then that carbon goes back to the atmosphere.
13:44:09 Similarly at the mill, the bark, for example, that and and some of the sawdust in the the chips.
13:44:18 A lot of those get burned for fuel at the mill, and those 2 that carbon 2 returns to the atmosphere.
13:44:27 But then the rest goes on into to to be used in construction, or, you know, short-lived paper products, and then onto the landfill.
13:44:37 So from the standpoint of of what it does for carbon in the carbon cycle.
13:44:45 Let's just look at everything inside that box that's carbon that we've taken out of circulation, and that is no longer making mischief in the atmosphere, and just to make sure
we get clear on the
13:44:59 term the process of taking carbon out of the air we're, calling sick frustration, and those both boxes forest buildings, and landfill.
13:45:11 Those are all places where carbon is stored so think of sequestration as the process and store and carbon storage as the sink or the the bucket where where the carbon is lodged
i'm sorry to
13:45:27 interrupt set i'm not sure if you want questions we're at the end.
13:45:33 It's interesting I I actually haven't thought of landfill as storage.
13:45:37 So much before, because there must be a fair amount of of off guessing that happens in land filling as well.
13:45:45 Is. Is there any sort of kind of general and you know of course sometimes it's captured, sometimes it's not any sort of general rule about the st storage ability of landfilling,
you know as if I just go
13:45:58 back to the previous one. I really there should be another arrow that goes from the landfill to the atmosphere, because it, you know, doesn't stay there permanently, although
in modern landfills which are capped
13:46:12 and where they capture the methane. from. you know anaerobic decomposition.
13:46:18 They decompose a lot slower than they used to in in.
13:46:24 You know less high tech landfills than we used to have
13:46:30 And there are equations, I mean, if you go through a carbon offset program or register a carbon offset project.
13:46:37 There are equations that predict what's the rate of decay for you from each of these carbon Pools: Okay, thank you.
13:46:50 So that's so let's look at what happens in the industrial model the 40 year rotation, high production, or, I should say, high production.
13:47:02 Because we'll see in the second that the production is not as high as you might like.
13:47:05 But this is how, in most industrial lands, on the West side are managed on a 40 year rotation, and as carbon accumulates in the forest in this green bit, and then it's harvested
at about
13:47:19 age 40. Then there's more carbon goes into the blue bit, which is products. and then, as it decays and comes out of circulation, it winds up in in the red section which is landfill,
and so this project out 4 rotations
13:47:34 of of a have a short rotation forest, forest, and that again we see that that trough last for about 10 or 10 to 20 years after a harvest, before the the 4 starts accumulating
carbon again in a significant
13:47:54 way. Can I ask you one question that you might have through later?
13:47:59 I'm curious that that initial trough for a like a plantation model versus natural regeneration. Do you?
13:48:07 Do you have any info at granite more? make make a more granular difference between those 2 approaches? Hmm!
13:48:15 I would say it probably depends a lot on the site. but maybe, Kirk, would you like to to weigh in here?
13:48:22 Look great if you can clarify the question. That I mean, planting trees versus just you know, leaving as some trees and letting what grow grow.
13:48:36 Oh, I got you okay. Well, one of the reasons that we replant is is to, you know, quickly recapture that site and back to Seth's description of you know, optimizing photosynthesis
on a site natural
13:48:50 regeneration takes a lot longer to colonize the site, and oftentimes the national regeneration is very spotty.
13:48:57 You get a lot in one place, nothing somewhere else a little bit, you know.
13:49:01 And so by going back and replanting right away, you get an even distribution. and you, you know much more quickly capture the growth potential of that site.
13:49:10 So you know i'd say under a replanting a standard replanting approach, which which this model reflects you know you're you're gonna optimize the recovery time.
13:49:21 That's if you're sticking with this this clear cut model.
13:49:25 There is a role for natural regeneration in selective thinning, and i'm not sure if we'll talk about that.
13:49:33 We certainly i'd be i'd love to when we get to that point.
13:49:38 We certainly will, and just to also point out there's a lot of different ways.
13:49:39 You can replant right, you can replant with a single species.
13:49:42 You can replant with a mixture of species lots of different ways.
13:49:47 It can be done right. So let's see what this 40 year rotation does when we go back to this to this graph that I showed before of the mean annual increment right?
13:50:02 The site's potential. If you were raising trees to the to the mean annual increment, age of about 80 would be something like a 130 cubic feet per acre per year, but if you cut
the if you cut
13:50:17 the trees sooner, because you're only riding that mean annual incurrent graph up a lot a lot shorter of the way.
13:50:24 Then you wind up with maybe 80 cubic feet break or per year.
13:50:28 So you're sacrificing the productive potential of the site by cutting the trees so young.
13:50:35 What you're doing is finite is maximizing you know the you can't maximize everything right.
13:50:41 So if you want to maximize the financial return on an investment, as many industrial forest owners, do you give up some of the potential for timber yield and carbon storage,
so let's look at another
13:50:54 option that's still in the realm of even age management instead of the 40 year rotation.
13:51:01 What if you What if you every of say 15 years or so after the the trees reach maturity? What if you were thinning?
13:51:10 And that's what's represented on the right hand side of this slide, where at age is 30 45, and 60, you can see those little dips where there's an increment of product being
added to the to the product stream
13:51:26 and the amount of green which is the carbon stored in the in the forest declines slightly.
13:51:32 And then in this scenario, after 80 years the forward is cut and replanted.
13:51:38 And so what the benefit from the standpoint of carbon storage or timber production is that instead of that 10 to 20 year gap of regenerating the forest happening every 40 years,
it's only happening half as frequently and
13:51:54 so it's instead of taking the solar collectors, down off your roof and cleaning them off, and you know,
13:52:03 And waiting 10 years before you put them back. Instead of doing that every 40 years.
13:52:07 You only do that every 80 years, and so you're capturing more of the photosynthetic potential of the site.
13:52:14 When I talk about. thinning I think it's worth thinking about, we've tried to depict and help people understand what thinning looks like.
13:52:26 So we've done some repeat photography Here's one site that we're working in in a 55 year old forest in the nasqually community forest near Ashford.
13:52:36 This is a before photo. you can see some of the blue painted trees that are marked for removal.
13:52:41 And then this is what that same site looked from after sending you can see that there's still a really you know thick canopy.
13:52:51 But some trees have been removed. You can see all those little, those little orange bits in the distance.
13:52:58 Those are all stumps, and that is, that is, you know, provide a lot of product and harvest, but also maintain the site and product productivity, and moved along towards late
serial habitat, and towards some of the other
13:53:14 qualities of, say, better water yields and improved carbon storage that the owners in this case will. looking for Seth.
13:53:22 Can I ask a question here, please, and mostly just cause we're in this forest right now, and i've been thinking about this lately.
13:53:31 So these kinds of for forest health dennings are thinnings.
13:53:37 In terms of that contractors who perform these thinnings, is there far fewer?
13:53:44 Is it? Do all? Do all forest operators respond to the demands of the forest land owner?
13:53:56 Or is it a specialized set of foresters who do these kinds of forest health thinnings?
13:54:04 Is it hard to find contractors that will work with land owners to
13:54:12 Answer this kind of call of doing more. i I would say, Oh, sorry!
13:54:18 Did you have more questions I would say every thinner is a logger, but not every logger is a thinner and there's certain different kinds of equipment that you might might want
to use in a
13:54:34 thinning. then in a clear cut so someone's equivalent might be optimized for one approach or another.
13:54:45 Kirk, would you? What would you add to that?
13:54:49 It definitely is a specialized skill Set clerk at logging, you know, is is dramatically simpler than fitting, you know, just logistically simpler.
13:55:00 And you know I I like seth's comment there But, you know, every thinner is a large red, and every loggers and thinner there definitely is is especially skill set and being able
to you know lay out of fitting so you're
13:55:14 reducing, minimizing residual damage to trees.
13:55:18 And minimizing soil disturbance and some of the other impacts that that can happen during setting
13:55:25 So it definitely is a smaller subset of the the contractor pool out there.
13:55:31 You know we have a small group of thinning contractors that we work with on on most of our projects.
13:55:38 It can be a little more challenging to find contractors like that. but what I've often found that when we started working with a new contractor.
13:55:45 This is just anecdotal is that they really enjoy thinning because it's it's more challenging.
13:55:51 You know it's it's more fun it really requires them to to operate at the top of their game.
13:55:56 And you know but that's that's also really, where in a in a project like this, you wanna have a fourrester who can act as that intermediary between the landon or in the Logger
and can lay
13:56:12 out a Thinning project like this because this isn't all about logging It's really about how the stand is marked, you know.
13:56:20 Seth mentioned the blue paint in there, you know, coming in and very carefully laying out a thinning coat, you achieve a very specific silver cultural outcome.
13:56:29 One of the advantages to to marking a stand like that from a larger standpoint is then they can just focus on doing what they do best, and that's getting the the timber out
of the woods as
13:56:41 efficiently as possible. and you gotta relieve them of both.
13:56:45 The obligation and the risk of making tree selection decisions. So there's there's a real dance to be performed here between the the forester and and the logger.
13:56:56 Can you guys go into details? a little bit on this particular picture because this, you know, there's lots of different types of thinning as well, and this certainly looks like
the kind of you know kind of variable retention where you're
13:57:05 looking for the more marketable wood and And can you just speak to what happened at this forest a little bit, Kirk?
13:57:14 You wrote the management plan for this. So I think you should take this one. sure.
13:57:17 Yeah, I think this fits the the classic definition of variable density.
13:57:23 Thinning I mean first of all, even though this is a little bit older.
13:57:26 Stand 50, 55 years or so. This was the the first entry commercial thinning in it. I believe this stand was pretty commercially thin, which is what allowed it to to grow out
a little bit longer, and be commercially
13:57:40 thin that at an older age, but with variable density thinning
13:57:47 You are selecting trees across the different canopy classes. so you're not strictly thinning from below, where you're removing just the suppressed trees out of the undersory.
13:57:58 Neither are you hiding where you're taking you know the the dominant best quality canopy trees.
13:58:04 You're really thinning across you know all of those different canopy classes, and this is intended to achieve a much more structurally complex forest composition with the disquali
community.
13:58:17 Forest. You know we're managing for a broad range of outcomes, both economic and ecological.
13:58:24 And this from my standpoint, kind of strikes that that sweet spot right in the middle.
13:58:30 You know, by selecting some of the dominant overstory trees. we're getting more volume more value out of the stand.
13:58:37 But in doing that we're also releasing under story trees that are, you know, vigorous and and coming up so establishing or promoting.
13:58:44 That's that secondary. cohort that both increases structural complexity in the stand, and represents a future cohort for harvesting.
13:58:55 So it's i'd say it's you know in in a mid age stand like this it's our most common approach to to thinning on his name variable density it's hard to pick out
13:59:08 from from the this kind of picture, but you know the residual density is gonna vary from as low as 140 trees per acre to maybe as high as 250 you know it's we'll leave some
13:59:19 areas a little denser, some areas will fit a little more heavily. But again, that's that's mostly for a habitat.
13:59:28 Response. Thank you. Does anyone know if if Dnr has ever used this this kind of force management?
13:59:37 Any of their lands actually down in the there's Self-p Did some planning unit and all across the capital forest which is in my backyard.
13:59:52 They have quantify it. but I mean for decades they've been thinning like this, so they within the institution.
13:59:59 They have a lot of expertise it's not necessarily you know, applied in all of their planning units.
14:00:04 But they're very they're self-culturalists are very familiar with this approach.
14:00:12 I think, just to distill some of what Kirk was saying in ecological forestry, which is the approach that that we practice.
14:00:20 The most important thing isn't what you take out it's what you what you leave behind, and so that's the attention that Kirk, you know the management plans, and our foresters,
and when they're out there
14:00:33 marking the trees. that's what they're thinking about is you know what's the stand gonna look like when we're done.
14:00:40 Yeah. and to that point Given the productivity. of this site it's kind of moderate productivity given the elevation, you know. we should be able to come into this unit.
14:00:51 Oh, every 15 to 20 years and thin so I think Seth is going to get to that in a little bit.
14:01:00 But this you know we're setting this up for repeated entry thinning.
14:01:04 It's not a one, and done kind of thing you know that you can. You can perpetually thin these stands, and maybe that's a segue we're getting there in about 3 or 4 more
14:01:17 slides alright. So let's see so just to to sort of sum up over the course of a century what you could expect from the short rotation versus the extended rotation.
14:01:33 And here i've flipped the colors so you can see the product.
14:01:39 So we can, you know, more easily focus on the the products as opposed to the carbon in the forest.
14:01:45 But 82,000 board feet of timber from that one acre over the course of a 100 years versus 54,000.
14:01:53 In the other case, where you do 2 short rotations and about more than 50% more carbon stored, and you'll see these numbers don't match up with the ones on the vertical axis.
14:02:06 The vertical axis. Numbers are elemental carbon and i've converted it here in the caption to what's more commonly used in talking about carbon offsets, which is tons of carbon
14:02:16 dioxide equivalent, which is almost 4 times as much. So that gives you an idea.
14:02:22 If you started to think about. You know how a carbon offset sale could play a role in making up some of the deficit from not selling for for junior taxing districts, of not
selling as much timber you know
14:02:36 how much could you potentially make up the by selling the carbon from from from some stands of particular interest?
14:02:47 Over time the cumulative timber harvest Takes a little while to catch up, because obviously, if you cut all the trees down, you've now put all that on log truck and send it
to the mill But
14:03:01 over time. these thinnings will catch up with that and Then, if you're pursuing even inch management in that final harvest, you've greatly overtake what had been possible in
that 80 year
14:03:16 harvest. so a even age management, though isn't the only option There's what kirk was just alluding to the idea of repeated thinnings, and that would fall more in the category
14:03:34 of uneven, aged management. So within a given stand you could then have older trees and younger trees coexisting, and as you open up, say a small patch, a small gap within the
the forest, or even just in the you know for some species.
14:03:51 like Western hemlock that can regenerate in the shade of an overstory.
14:04:00 Have new cohorts coming up even right underneath existing trees, mature trees.
14:04:03 So in that scenario you could just harvest selectively every 15 years or so, and that's what each of on the right hand side.
14:04:15 Each of these little sawtooths represent, is a thinning overall.
14:04:20 You can see that carbon storage eventually gets much higher. but you haven't harvested quite quite as much timber right? because you've left more of it standing.
14:04:32 So your inventory is not all shipped to the mill.
14:04:37 More of it is is in the forest. so just to to paraphrase, Mick Jagger, you can't get everything you want.
14:04:43 But if you try sometimes you just might find you get what you need.
14:04:47 And of course you you all need to decide what it is that you exactly need when we go back to the cumulative timber harvest graph from before this blue line represents the harvest
from a from these repeated thinnings but
14:05:04 to put it in context. The remaining inventory at a 100 years is basically 0.
14:05:10 Merchandable trees for the 40 year scenario, also 0 merchandable trees.
14:05:15 But in the case of the repeated thinnings you still have 57,000 board feet to the acre.
14:05:21 That's like you know 12 or 13 truckloads of logs per acre that are out there on the hoof in that represents even more than this difference between where you are here at the
blue the
14:05:41 blue line and the green line. so the last few slides I wanted to show.
14:05:50 So pause here. if there's any questions the last few slides, i'm gonna talk about the transition how you would make a transition from younger to older a rotation forests alright
So this is the this
14:06:09 is a slide. I think that that Greg also showed last week.
14:06:13 On the left you can see a landscape, each of the numbers here representing a compartment or unit force management of a certain age.
14:06:22 So a couple of 5 years, couple of 10 year olds, and so on, up to age 40 and age, 40 ones are on the chopping block to be cut and clear cut this year in the 40 year rotation
scenario.
14:06:33 If you were transitioning to an eighty-year scenario and your whole landscape like let's say you were an industrial forest owner.
14:06:40 Your whole landscape was was in 0 to 40 year old trees.
14:06:44 You might still clear cut half of it, because you want to be able to cut 80 year old trees 80 years from now.
14:06:51 And so you really have to think ahead and but this other one the one that's that's ha that's in green shading.
14:06:58 Here would be one that you thin, and you keep doing this with entries for thinning every 15 years or so.
14:07:06 So in 20 years as you keep doing this now you're thinning a second block, and your forest landscape is starting to look a little older.
14:07:21 And then finally, 40 years from now you're clear cutting an 80 year old stand you're thinning 2 or 3 other blocks, and your forest now has a wider diversity of ages, and this
is good
14:07:33 thing for all kinds of reasons. it's a good thing for carbon storage.
14:07:37 It's a good thing for climate resilience. because older trees are more resilient than young than young plantations, and it's also a good thing for water yields.
14:07:46 If you're worried about the water yields out of your municipal drinking water sheds those older trees are less thirsty per acre than young trees, and that's something that's
been modeled Well, by
14:07:57 folks that Velma sorry at eta with a model called Velma
14:08:03 So just to contrast them side by side the industrial landscape on the left and the longer rotation landscape on the right.
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14:08:41 So i'll stop the share unless there's any slides that people want us to come back to, and we can just all see each other
14:08:53 So that I think my aha moment when I first saw some of these slides was, you know, one thing in in our initial my initial conversations about the Beaver Valley source timer
sale back in april with some of the junior
14:09:08 taxing districts, they said ideally, What we get is more consistent revenue over time.
14:09:15 So the whole idea of there being smaller codes more consistently over time. I mean a couple of the junior taxing districts, said I'd rather have that than un forecastable big
chunks of money you know to know
14:09:32 that i'm gonna get a small amount every year or every 2 years is much preferable to these big you know, when falls.
14:09:45 So that was one thing that really I mean I it'd be interesting to look at the economic like, run your model with the economy overlaying on it, you know, if we're talking about
you know an average, Doug for you
14:10:02 know, stand, and and then different harvest amounts based on this 2022. You know timber Harvest sales, dollars. you know.
14:10:11 What? what would be looking at you applied to your model?
14:10:19 That would be an interesting exercise that's something that we're absolutely able to do, particularly if we had some input data to put in.
14:10:30 That was, you know, particular to yours or some units in the Dnr Lands that you're looking at.
14:10:37 We all have some county stan timber stands that We've been working with chicken de forestry mallory Wenheimer on some selective harvest and you know but those stands are so
14:10:53 They're all over the map right there's some toothpicks.
14:10:58 I'm thinking of trailhead park i've been out there a lot lately picking up toothpicks that were cut down.
14:11:04 But you know we're also gonna be taking some more lands into our management.
14:11:12 These trust land transfer projects that were seeing through with Dnr. and the Land Trust.
14:11:18 Here. it's about a 120 acres in the quimper wildlife corridor, and I think it's 52 down off the Tuandos Peninsula.
14:11:26 But it'd be interesting to model have you ever worked with Mallory at all.
14:11:35 Or yeah, yeah, we're familiar with mallory Yeah.
14:11:41 Each we've done several workshops up in the chimicum and quill scene and and Port Angeles areas, and and she's always partnering with us or we partnered with her on those Yeah.
14:11:54 great great resource. What were the questions that I came up with when Seth first mentioned his in conversation with Jefferson County?
14:12:02 About these, you know 15,000 acres is what kind of forest inventory data do you have, or do you know that the Dnr has?
14:12:13 For this is with even cool course, inventory data.
14:12:18 We could run some, albeit comparably coarse models.
14:12:24 But you know nothing that we're presenting is you know is inaccessible in it to Jefferson County.
14:12:34 It's it's all knowable there's there's no!
14:12:37 There should with you with your 15,000 acres there shouldn't be any spoken mirrors about what's possible. With that, you know It's You take a fairly you know rudimentary forest
inventory approach take that data
14:12:48 run some modeling, and you mentioned an evening out income you know, with with that kind of data and the ability to model, you know, as predictable as managing natural ecosystems.
14:13:04 Because there isn't you know we could at least model a you know a perceived reliability, you know, into this, and and you know, look at sustained timber harvests, and look at
different you know income.
14:13:20 scenarios, and you know things like that so it's it's knowable to the extent that we can trust in.
14:13:27 You know, in long term models of complex ecosystems.
14:13:32 Right, hey? Yeah. Thanks so much that it is a really great presentation, and nice to see you.
14:13:39 Kirk, who worked together many years ago, and the land works days and long history and energy.
14:13:45 In fact, I think when you guys are getting this presentation, I was in a meeting with Dan Stonington across the sound.
14:13:53 So. i'm curious. yeah i'm not 80 year extended rotation with spinning Is there also a role for or carbon sales like.
14:14:06 Is there enough carbon captured in that management system? that that could be an additional revenue source, modifiable additionality. Right?
14:14:17 Thank you. Well, I think you'd have it certainly that would work well in the scenario where you're doing?
14:14:26 Repeated thinnings, and you're maintaining robust stock of carbon on the land.
14:14:32 But you couldn't I don't think if you if you engage in the carbon offset.
14:14:37 Sale, you would probably, for the next 100 years minimum, have to maintain that on site.
14:14:44 So you would be in the repeated thinning realm.
14:14:48 You could even probably create some small openings where you could start some more shade and tolerant species like like Douglas fur.
14:14:59 But you would be unable to completely clear cut that stand.
14:15:05 On the other hand, you would have that revenue which you could get in the short term.
14:15:09 So. In fact, since you bring this up, I was as I was preparing for this, I wrote to a couple of contacts of mine at Dnr.
14:15:18 To ask them about the penny wise sale, and I was curious.
14:15:24 You know what their opinion was of penny Wise Unit 7, and whether they felt like it, you know.
14:15:30 So one of them is is dandonado who's responsible for deciding whether units meet the qualifications to be considered old growth, and therefore off the table.
14:15:41 What he mentioned is that in the aftermath of the first carbon sale that Dnr.
14:15:48 Did, that several counties have asked Dnr to go back and consider at least some units within existing.
14:15:57 Tim, you know, proposed timber sales to include them in phase, 2 of the carbon offset project, and maybe this is all old news to you and your.
14:16:09 But but he said that if County were to ask for that they would certainly not be alone, and there would be no
14:16:16 There's no guarantees that you know that would fit within the realm of the 5,000 acres, but it would certainly not.
14:16:24 It would not be out of the question, and it would not be an unusual request for Dnr.
14:16:29 To receive.
14:16:51 It's you know most of the the remnants we have of these older forests are are truly remnants out here in East Jefferson County, and there's there's standing remnants You you
know I've been out to
14:17:05 a few of them now, and you know yeah but but they're targeting stands over a 100 acres is what we've heard from Dnr.
14:17:18 56, 62 50 to 60 acres and there's not enough older forest nearby that you could reach out to get to that threshold.
14:17:39 Yeah, and it was I was out with my crone and another piece of ground. and he was saying that that unit unit 7 is really cool, because it's It's on a it's a higher elevation.
14:17:53 Unit and it's you don't walk into it thinking this is an old growth for us.
14:17:58 But what it has is all these lumpy lot of blow down that forest built grew up around And so it's really interesting older forest, because it has all that unique characteristics
on the on the ground.
14:18:18 It made me think well that sounds like it'd be hard to operate in trying trying to find any angle.
14:18:23 Right is my crafty middle of the night wake ups well, it's one thing.
14:18:32 All of that dead, would also represents a carbon sync I mean it's both a a carbon source.
14:18:37 It's solely decays but it's a very long term carbon release.
14:18:42 So when we model carbon dynamics within forests, you know, we look at live tree, we look at dead.
14:18:49 What we look at below ground so you know once. you expose all of that downwood. Also, you dramatically increase the decay rates and lose that carbon a lot faster.
14:19:01 So there's there's a lot of value to that. and then on top of that is just the the habitat value of that decaying would just as a side anecdote i'm doing a
14:19:10 research project on enhancing habitat for the pilliated woodpecker, and we find her finding that they forage a lot on down logs, because that's where the carpenter rams
14:19:24 fine habitat that's the primary food source so you know incredible habitat value to that standing in down Deadwood. And yeah, you don't find that a lot in or hardly at all.
14:19:38 In second growth. third growth forests long gone it's rarer than some of the rare ones
14:19:53 Well, i'm i'm inspired because like there's you've given me some hope that but both the there is some technical assistance available.
14:20:06 If you know as we start to work clearly define a vision for what we're hoping to to have dnr do with these lands.
14:20:13 And that if this is not totally greek to dnr either and we've not been able to informally get them to the table for these conversations yet.
14:20:24 But they were very clear with us that the more we could our vision the more they would be able to kind of respond.
14:20:31 So you know what what is doable within their their framework.
14:20:34 So this is makes me feel inspired, motivated to keep heading down this path.
14:20:43 Well, I think you know Seth call it out Well, at the very beginning. that you know what he and I are only hoping to do is is show you that There's options you know forestry
is not binary.
14:20:53 It's not you know you you only can clear a cut or you can only preserve.
14:20:58 You know there are a lot of different. So the cultural pathways and we find I find, is is in the consulting work that I do is once I lay out.
14:21:08 You know these different options, you know people realize boy you know There's a lot of different ways.
14:21:13 We can approach managing our forests, and it kind of gets them out of.
14:21:17 You know, a very conventional approach, which certainly has its place on the landscape.
14:21:21 But you know when you're looking at balancing a lot of different objectives, as most public landeders are.
14:21:28 You know it's good, to know that there's options and those options can be played out, you know, across different blocks of the forest land.
14:21:37 So, for instance, if you wanted to, r reserve, more of the older forest, maybe.
14:21:43 In the meantime, you have an accelerated thinning schedule on some of the younger plantations that are less you know that don't yet have such great wildlife and habitat values
yet at this point and that
14:21:59 points been made a number of times, and conversations we've had, as you know, these 10% that are identified as older forests in East Jefferson County.
14:22:11 What about the other 90%? Why, can't we focus on those. And I, you know I don't no the silver cultural reasons why Dnr is, you know, in terms of their schedule of timber sales.
14:22:22 Has a lot of these legacy for it for us, queued up in the next 5 years 5, 6 years.
14:22:28 But you know it's Yeah, I guess that's that's the question we need to ask. but I thought we asked that question, and and they were potentially uncovered by the interim habitat
conservation plan and then when
14:22:42 the final one came out. They weren't in comfort that's my understanding about a lot of these older
14:22:54 But but why? why are they not looking at the other 90% of acres they have that they can manage and emphasizing those, or are they just already clear cut?
14:23:05 And you know I don't know what the answer is and I think that points to why it's worth looking at the full 15,000 acres.
14:23:15 And even you know from this, because, besides the concern for the trust beneficiaries, you also don't.
14:23:22 You know you want to have a flow of product to local meals, right?
14:23:25 And so think about where other if There's a decrease in harvest from Dnr Lands?
14:23:33 How could you make that up, then, from say, Are there 50 year old plantations on the Olympic National Forests that have gone unmanaged for various reasons?
14:23:42 Or are there non-industrial private forest owners who haven't seen a good model of forests, thinning and harvest that that's compatible with their other values?
14:23:53 Who would consider harvest if they saw that model revealed to them.
14:23:59 And That's part of our you know our theory of change in wanting to host workshops like the ones we're doing on Saturdays.
14:24:05 Because, as Kirk saying, it's not a binary thing and the logging that you don't like, is it that has turned you off to light?
14:24:13 And is it the only way to do it yeah I just wanna say I'm.
14:24:18 I'm glad that kate's inspired because I think both Heidi and I were quite inspired by your presentation at the timber one on one. set.
14:24:24 So i'm really glad you guys have the opportunity to come out i'll try to come out on saturday as well.
14:24:30 And I just i'm i'm really excited about the options, and and I guess my one question is just kind of a definition.
14:24:39 What's the difference between variable density thinning and shelter?
14:24:44 Wood harvesting, or they just different eras or I know it's kind of parsing.
14:24:50 Oh, they're they're they're they're quite different a shelter would is a very, very heavy thin, and you're just leaving enough trees to provide shade in a seed source to be
able to
14:25:04 regenerate the the understory so typically it's more of an even-age thinning so you're just looking a sparse overstory of dominant trees very structurally very very simple and
14:25:19 and the the main intent is is to provide a kind of shade shelter, shade habitat for that supports underestory regeneration.
14:25:32 Gotcha, and and the premise with shelterwood.
14:25:34 Is that Then once the new generation, of trees is established that you come back in and you take out the shelter sheltering over story, which, you of course, don't have to do
But that's that's how
14:25:46 It's traditionally done in something that you call a shelter with
14:25:51 Gotcha, and I guess one more question we talked a little bit about the you know the the mill industry on the other side of of logging, and I'm wondering if you could speak a
little bit.
14:26:01 To. I guess the few remaining mills that can take larger diameter trees.
14:26:07 And what happens if we don't Take any larger trees to the system, I guess, is is my question for you.
14:26:13 If we have any thoughts about that, Well, there there's a lot of ways to to deal with with oversized trees, I mean one of them, honestly, is just you you high stump.
14:26:26 You cut you cut a little higher you buck off the the bottom parts. you Still, you know, trees swell a lot of the base, and that's usually where they get to to that that oversize
limit. so you know you're
14:26:35 you're not entirely wondering what's a tree reaches you know 32 inches dvh Should it's not kicked out you know of of the the option for cutting you can
14:26:49 manufacture it differently. but and this is more of a longer term.
14:26:54 Argument is that you know as more and more forest downers grow older.
14:26:57 Timber. you know I think we'll see the in the 1 million manufacturing sector respond to that, and it's somebody has to do it.
14:27:07 Somebody has to draw it. that that older Coord were we I'm not sure.
14:27:12 Did we miss the thrust of your question There, Greg, that are you saying?
14:27:17 There are just a few mills that still have big enough head rigs to process a larger tree.
14:27:22 We've got to keep cutting some larger trees to keep them in business. I've heard that argument.
14:27:28 I guess I was wondering you're take on that .
14:27:31 Boy. Yeah, very, very, few mills i'm not even sure if if you get who they were now in Aberdeen is still around.
14:27:38 I don't know any on the on the west coast or the north coast.
14:27:44 Other than really small mills. but the only oversized meals I know of are in Everett.
14:27:52 I think I think it was smith brothers and Aberdeen.
14:27:56 I don't even know if they're still around anymore.
14:28:01 You see kind of falls in that kit again. Everett. I don't. But I yeah, I don't know of any other coast
14:28:12 So I think our our next step. I I know that my talk I talked to Mark about getting together with Mallory, and I got an email from Mallory saying that she was out much of this
week.
14:28:26 But with back oh, actually tomorrow, I think so I Don't know where you're at Mark with setting up time with Mallory.
14:28:30 But just kind of coming up with a game plan for how we move this conversation forward, and who needs to be a part of it?
14:28:39 And We hope we can consider you guys resources for the team as we move forward and developing our recipe and then figure out how we engage with you in the future.
14:28:51 Cause I feel like your knowledge that is super valuable to all the questions we've been asking, and and I appreciate you guys making the time to be here big Big time appreciate
it.
14:29:05 And I look forward to seeing you on saturday great i'll be there.
14:29:12 Alright, thank you so much. thanks for having me. So was there going to be public comment on this one.
14:29:33 Heidi. I don't think we were gonna do public comment Great!
14:29:38 I think this is just informational for us. Okay, do you have something you wanted to say?
14:29:45 When I mentioned the idea of getting together with Mallory.
14:29:48 I I have an email to her asking when I can set up a meeting this week.
14:29:53 Okay, and hopefully, i'll hear from her soon. great So any any conversation we want to have about that presentation?
14:30:09 Or do we just wanna build up a little agenda for our afternoon conversation?
14:30:14 I know that we want to talk about planning commission appointment process.
14:30:19 I don't know if there are other agenda items for this afternoon that anyone has parked Mark.
14:30:25 Do you have any? No, i'm just happy to as heck the the second tranche of Arca showed up.
14:30:31 Yeah, yeah, that'll that allows us to provide cash for the sewer project, and that we can do the interfund reimbursement that you authorized
14:30:43 So that yeah, that was June was a very good month for revenue, Great news indeed.
14:30:52 Do we want to talk about the planning commission appointment?
14:30:59 Process one more before we move on from forestry I'm just wondering with the arpa and the the pilt money in
14:31:04 It seems like one of the next steps too, is assessing whether we have a budget that we can that we can aim at this project that we're talking about.
14:31:13 That's still pretty amorphous in front of us so I just kind of put in a pin in it that I think that's part of the the near term conversation, too.
14:31:20 When we have Mallory in front of us. Yeah.
14:31:24 And I guess, just for for kind of planning sake I I would also propose, and just planting a seed with you, mark that I think.
14:31:36 If, indeed, that pilt money gives us a little wiggle room.
14:31:41 I could see, wanting to use some of that for some technical assistance around housing.
14:31:46 Also either to get some better data or to inform the short terminal discussion.
14:31:53 So just Well, let me remind the Board that it was when I arrived here in 2,017.
14:31:59 We only budgeted 550,000 or so for pill, so that we would have a windfall that we could then devote to various things.
14:32:07 When we put together the budget for 2223 pill was fully budgeted, and that allowed us to add a number of positions.
14:32:17 And so there's not just let me dispel the thought that there might be a pile of pilt that hasn't been committed already.
14:32:26 Well, it's a couple of 100,000 more than we budgeted right? right? which I I i'm the the kind of technical assistance I'm, interested in getting I think is not outside of that
that realm.
14:32:41 Okay, alright, I mean, we were just very aggressive, and putting together the budget. So
14:32:46 As we work together to put guidance together. for the mid by any, and review in modification.
14:32:55 We just need to be mindful of the the mounting storm clouds that we're seeing on the horizon, and I I think I saw a report this morning that we have our second consecutive quarter
of negative growth
14:33:06 which technically qualifies as a recession
14:33:13 Yes, yeah. party's over
14:33:22 Planning commission Kate, do you wanna brieffest on the conversation you had with Brent?
14:33:31 Sure so. as we discussed last week there's been some confusion, and no kind of written process anywhere that anyone any of us are aware of of how planning commission vacancies
are filled.
14:33:46 So I did some research, and Brent did some research in terms of talking to Staff with historic knowledge within DCD.
14:33:53 And we came together and pulled together what we what we knew and understood, and came up with a process
14:34:01 So would it be helpful if I shared the screen my screen, and we could take a look at the what we came and Brent did confirm that this was his understanding.
14:34:14 As well. Yeah. So couple of kind of assumptions to start with.
14:34:23 So there's you know there's kind of 2 2 reasons why there's a vacancy, what if somebody steps down midterm, and the other is, if a a position a a term ends and basically and
couple of things one is in
14:34:38 statute that the a vacancy for an unexpired term needs to be filled only till the end of that term, but it's not very clear in statute, and how that happens?
14:34:51 And then it's sounds like there's pretty clear agreement I think we talked about this last week, and also Brent was at least an agreement that that we could start treating any
expired term basically as
14:35:06 a new term. So, instead of assuming that the sitting commissioner would stay on, but instead we would open up the application process again every 4 years.
14:35:17 For those terms. little added work for the sitting commissioner but you know the the default.
14:35:23 If you don't do that, is that folks stay on without an opportunity to to bring in new folks, and it you keep a lot of the same voices, which at times is very helpful but but
that we want to be open
14:35:39 to the ability to have some new voices enter as Well, so we're suggesting that all all vacancies are noticed in the newspaper and and then the following protocol.
14:35:55 So. It is an hour code that March eighteenth is the beginning date of all terms planning question terms.
14:36:03 So sometime in January, DCD. should be notifying our office.
14:36:08 Dcd staff does the advertising of the position but it's.
14:36:13 But we actually receive the application. So it's a funny you know it's funny dance between DCD at our office.
14:36:18 So applications come in here. they get sent on to dCD and again, any seated planning commissioner who wants to be reappointed must submit an application.
14:36:31 As well. There's: 2 only 2 eligibility requirements that it must be 18 and live in the district where they are applying for so. Dc Do you guys the check to see that the the
applicants meet those
14:36:45 2 requirements, and then this is the new part. DCD.
14:36:47 Is proposing that the planning staff and the the county commissioner representing the district where there's a vacancy.
14:36:54 Interview all of the eligible, candidates and that is, you know, this is an appointment. We We get to do this, but we very much want staff, you know, input on that process,
and we don't want them making a political
14:37:10 decision, and and it is instituted as our responsibility to appoint these
14:37:17 So do. The DCD. staff would then consult with the Commissioner from that district, and the Net Commissioner is responsible for bringing forward a recommendation to the full
Bocc.
14:37:27 For appointment. This differs a little bit from statute in that it is.
14:37:35 It is basically the the it. She says nothing about the interview or Dcds involvement.
14:37:42 It just says that the commissioner in the district shall bring forth a name or names to the Bcc.
14:37:47 For consideration, but I I think it still meets that requirement.
14:37:52 I did put in an email to hunt sector he was out working away from the office at the end of last week. so I haven't heard back from him.
14:37:59 But I I believe it still meets the intent of the statutes where the Commissioner in the district, with this vacancy, brings forward a name or multiple names.
14:38:08 For consideration, and then approval by the full Bocc.
14:38:14 Right. And did you guys talk about the current? The current vacancies?
14:38:19 Treating those because we're out of we're out of the time, the timeline we extended the period.
14:38:28 And it ended last week. Yeah, Yep: So
14:38:33 Brent is hoping to go through this process, break quickly before the any commission meeting on the twentieth, to have to fill those vacancies by the twentieth.
14:38:43 And this is the If we can all agree on this process, then we would move forward in short order.
14:38:48 In the next 2 weeks, cause we we could approve on the eighteenth, before the pledic mission meeting on the twentieth.
14:38:55 That's a quick timeline for sure
14:39:01 You know, a couple hour hour, 2 of interviews depending on the district so hopefully, not too intensive.
14:39:09 Yeah, yeah, I like the fact that only one commissioner is in the interview process so that we don't have to schedule public meetings to accomplish those things.
14:39:19 Yeah, yeah, I think it looks really, really good good work sprint.
14:39:25 And and Kate I mean, we having no process or just kind of an informal process, is certainly not the best practice.
14:39:31 So I think this aligns with what we want, and makes that kind of strong improvement not to just assume planning commission.
14:39:40 Members are seated, for, as you know, so I I support this as presented.
14:39:46 I do as well. One consider consideration came up in this conversation, and come up many times before.
14:39:57 Is you know. how. How do we codify things like this?
14:40:01 You know, we don't have a lot of standard operating procedure kind of manuals and dcds in the process of of trying to kind of reinvigorate their sops and so maybe that's
14:40:20 where something like this could live. but you know I think you referred to it earlier, too, Heidi.
14:40:27 Just like, How do we not go through that separate 5 years?
14:40:34 When you know institutional knowledge leaves So you know, we have a a notebook for all of the boards and commissions.
14:40:42 If this could certainly go in as a reminder every couple of years when these come up.
14:40:47 But you know when I work for the State it's like we would get our Cw.
14:40:52 From the legislature, and then we would write our wax our administrative code.
14:40:58 And you know if that's do rulemaking and like you know we don't have that process except putting things in in official policy via resolution.
14:41:07 Or So it's I think it's worth thinking about. where stuff like this should live.
14:41:11 Yeah, Kate. Yeah. i'm in the county code and We have an unreserved tile title .
14:41:18 We if the Board would want to. we could look into making that boards and commissions, and then for each of our boards and commissions.
14:41:27 We could put into code the processes by which those boards and commissions operate.
14:41:33 Just a thought, and it feels like there are some other ones, some other, you know, potentially powerful seats open right now, like Public Piff piff bar, I mean, they give away
potentially a lot of money payroll to advisory committee
14:41:49 l tech I mean these entities give away quite a bit of money. I wouldn't say that this represents for all of those committees, if fundamental shift in the way that we've done
it.
14:42:01 I think we should recognize recognize that I think usually in almost any any board of committee.
14:42:06 If a member, is there, that's that's enough we we, I think, at least in my history past practices to to re to reappoint the person.
14:42:17 Usually there's a recommendation that comes from the board itself too. right?
14:42:20 So we There is a different procedure for a lot of other boards and committees, I mean, it seems seems like a a high standard to put it into our code for a procedure.
14:42:30 But you know if that's the best place to put it I guess I don't have an objection.
14:42:35 It seems like some of these things publishing a procedure is what we need to do not necessarily enshrining a new policy that i'm I'm.
14:42:44 Pretty flexible, and this is an improvement over nothing for sure or just institutional knowledge.
14:42:51 And these are, you know, probably some of the most impactful.
14:42:57 Yeah impactful, and also you know, I mean we actually vest some powers in the planning mission, and you know it is a more, a little more statutorily guarded committee for commission.
14:43:16 Than most so I don't I don't know that this would apply to many others, and that's the thing like each board is so different that you kind of want them to have the flexibility
and so I
14:43:27 I've been on the fence about it too, but maybe as we keep digging in.
14:43:32 To this idea we can get a better idea of where it should where it should live. I mean, where else would it live other than code that it wouldn't get last.
14:43:46 We do have a resolution that 54 97 that's referenced here.
14:43:52 Which was required that's interesting actually it's in statute. It talks about needing a an ordinance, and i'm not sure if we ever did the ordinance.
14:44:02 But yeah, but anyway, so we could also open up the resolution.
14:44:10 You know. We also decided on the *fifty stipend for planning commission members Again, you know, recognizing the difference of this board than many others.
14:44:20 It's a ton of work. Yeah, they have a lot of powers.
14:44:24 So that is somewhere we could We could put this also is in a solution, because it's so particular to the planning commission
14:44:34 Yeah. Our code does have a couple of code sections.
14:44:39 The public. The Pift Board, for example, in L. tech a membership on on those are in are by ordinance, and so it's not in common to put for the more significant boards of committees
putting it in ordinance.
14:44:53 Form.
14:44:57 So maybe we go through the list of committees and determine which are impactful enough to be in code, and which are not, and those could be by board procedure
14:45:13 Yep, with that
14:45:19 Okay, but we could let at least for now let Brent know.
14:45:23 We can proceed with this. Yeah, Okay, great. And so they will organize these interviews.
14:45:30 Okay, for your 2 districts and I don't know maybe since both of you might have been looking at these more closely in your districts.
14:45:44 Did the well. It only applies to one district. Did the seated Commissioner submit an application for District 2: Yeah.
14:45:56 Okay, cause there isn't one seeking reappointment in 3?
14:46:01 Is that correct? Well, she was going to. but we then saw an application come in.
14:46:07 Okay, Great Greg reached out to her a couple of times so as long as we yeah are clear, you know that that would be one of the steps to.
14:46:18 I suppose that DCD verifies or I mean you know i'll take some time for the planning commissioners get used to the fact that they might have to do the full application again.
14:46:30 Okay, Thank you Okay, great feels like great progress and I don't think we need to vote on that or anything right?
14:46:41 I mean it's no I think we all indicated our support So yeah, and we we're not putting it anywhere official.
14:46:47 So for now. but we said we should review the list of boards and committees at some point, and do got check on which ones need a Process I don't know when one wanna do that now,
or do we wanna get that.
14:47:08 On the agenda for an upcoming session.
14:47:12 Oh, we got 1313Â min left. i'm not sure we could complete that task.
14:47:16 If we started it
14:47:20 Bye.
14:47:27 Oh, we don't have any hard stop the behavioral advisory committee meeting is not today they moved it.
14:47:39 Anna moved it to the nineteenth, so we don't have a hard stop at 3 and we don't have a time on our agenda saying we're stopping at 3.
14:47:51 Okay, so we could just take a look at the list I mean it would probably take us wouldn't take that long still processing Marks crestfall and face
14:48:05 I I know I was I was like wow we get out of 3 that's great.
14:48:09 That's because it was originally a behavioral health advisory committee meeting today.
14:48:15 Thanks, Anna opted out. Do we wanna just look at the list?
14:48:29 Sure, although I would love a a quick break because that's Okay, okay.
14:56:20 Nothing's turned on yet. Okay, not sure if av is running, but it's on There it goes.
14:56:33 Okay. We found the list of boards and committees and by assignment, and I added a column, so I can share my screen.
14:56:48 Some of these might need some more research, too. Like it was.
14:56:52 You know I had to do a pretty deep dive to find all the statute pertaining to planning commissions.
14:56:57 If there's anything that informs the process, you know it's interesting a lot of counties.
14:57:04 There's 2 forms you can have a planning commission that hires a planning director like with I either the planning Commission comes first or the department comes first, but there
are some counties that have a planning commission and note department
14:57:23 have a department, and then bring on the planning commission.
14:57:26 But and then I just realized that the planning commission isn't even on this
14:57:35 List. Yeah, from our boards and committees isn't it? That's not necessarily the volunteer boards and committees list.
14:57:44 I know I just thought, was there anything other than the planning Commission that wouldn't be on this list that you can think of where we assign?
14:57:59 Yeah.
14:58:00 Yeah.
14:58:05 Cool, I mean so must need another until the housing authority is not on there
14:58:19 Would you call that like? Not auxiliary, but independent ports?
14:58:31 For other boards with commissioner appointments Maybe I don't know I mean, not just weed as an Enforcement Board, and most of them are advisory boards.
14:58:45 Right. Those only 3 that come to mind empower teams is on there.
14:58:54 I can add those. I can add those 3, as you know, board of Equalization.
14:59:01 We have point
14:59:13 Do we appoint the fairy Advisory Board? Yep.
14:59:30 Random things.
14:59:34 So, as the question is, the quick exercise here do we just wanna go through and identify the boards that we appoint other than the ones we just mentioned, which I will add is
other boards.
14:59:46 I'll add a category to this list but as that the main activity, Yeah, I think it's do we?
14:59:57 A point, and then is there a process? in, you know, a a written process somewhere or not? and should there be?
15:00:11 And if so, where should it live?
15:00:18 This might not be the best i'm gonna do save us and Yeah, Sorry it's messy.
15:00:25 Yeah, I think for most of those Kate we're not gonna know the answer Given the deep dive you had to do on the planning commission.
15:00:34 Yeah. Okay, So this is just for brains making notes. Hmm: Just go down the list.
15:00:47 Yeah, bye, it feels like we're on the wrong list Still, I mean, this is all things that we are members of.
15:00:57 But I mean we have a different list don't we have the the I thought we had there was a spreadsheet. That was the basis for the web page, too.
15:01:12 Where is that list? Where's that list lay in a few I think it would be A.
15:01:19 G. but or I mean Julie could put her hands on it quickly.
15:01:23 Right. She deals with it all the time. Hey, boards, Bsec.
15:01:29 Boards and committees.
15:01:35 Boardless.
15:01:45 Okay, Here's I got julie's i've got the list.
15:01:49 I'm sharing a new list is it administrative list to keep track of boards and committees she'll see the oldest file, save as just a Sec.
15:02:04 Oh, so when I open that one it it looks ancient
15:02:17 I see a spreadsheet that's vacancies boards, communities, councils, and commissions.
15:02:21 Yeah, this is Julie's list that's not enough.
15:02:25 Oh, yeah, okay, Yep. Yeah, that's the one so we can create
15:02:39 Appointment, process notes.
15:02:49 Okay.
15:03:01 So behavioral
15:03:02 So behavioral Health Advisory Committee
15:03:10 What? What What questions do we Wanna answer? Is there a process for appointing the Mayoral Advisory committee members?
15:03:16 Is it codified. Do we know does anyone know i'm looking
15:03:31 I mean most of these we get recommendations from the Board itself.
15:03:34 They receive applications, and rarely do we have multiple people.
15:03:40 So I think we have a fairly lean vetting process, right? I mean.
15:03:45 It was rare with the noxious we board when they had 2 qualified candidates that it came for us for any conversation.
15:03:50 Usually we get a recommendation from, certainly from the library district from Marine Resources committee from the Gardener Community Board of directors.
15:04:02 How's it going forward? Concert p climate action committee I assume, is the same.
15:04:11 I work with the the chair to yeah you have to do some memory jogging here, and you know Peninsula housing authority.
15:04:29 We'll get a recommendation only for the Jefferson county members the same for the O.
15:04:33 3 a advisory board. We'll get a recommendation we have this applicant for the Jefferson County seat.
15:04:48 Where of equalization is that's in statute
15:04:55 Does it do to Some I don't know any of those metrics so which other boards and commissions are in Statute Civil Service Commission?
15:05:17 Statute and code. I think
15:05:30 But Judy Julie might have a better grasp on that one.
15:05:34 Hmm.
15:05:40 That'd be nice to at some point even link to the statutes.
15:05:43 Yeah, we have a old 2,011 list that Leslie has started, and it does have statues in there, and how they were created.
15:05:53 So maybe we should merge it too. Nice? Well, good climate action. Oh, sorry.
15:05:59 No clean water advisory I don't you like we just get most of these.
15:06:07 Get a recommendation. I feel like if we've had one of those recently, and that it cause the applications come into our office, and they go to the the staff member that's helping
facilitate usually right and then then the the
15:06:21 board, I think. usually, if makes a recommendation, whatever or committee it is, makes a recommendation to us
15:06:35 Some
15:06:46 So we can add the links
15:06:52 I mean 1 one question. We were having. The conversation about what we were talking about.
15:06:57 Planning commission was what you know level of authority to these boards and committees have like, for example, behavioral health, piff, l tech.
15:07:11 They'll give out funding I make recommendations to the Board, and then the Board decides.
15:07:22 Hmm.
15:07:28 So maybe one would be like staff and board recommendation. That would be a category where the Board comes up with the recommendation.
15:07:38 Either staff or board come up with a recommendation for okay, I think, yeah, that would be a good field, that, or sell a call to add right now, because we could.
15:07:47 We could populate that on a lot of. And what was that Board recommendation to fill vacancies
15:08:02 Okay, and I I would say that would be true of of Climate Action Committee, even though it goes through some different iterations.
15:08:14 So where does the recommendation come from? It goes through a few stages before it, but eventually it comes to us from the board
15:08:30 Is that true for behavioral health. Think so I mean there's some I think there's reserve position for city and county right? I mean.
15:08:42 So There's caveat to this But I think in General.
15:08:48 Yes, so can we just can I? Can I be the typewriter?
15:08:50 And we just go through and go okay. Where'd It be coolization.
15:08:58 Is that the board to the Voc no that's in statute it's It's a very specific process.
15:09:04 Okay.
15:09:09 Or of health is kind of an active process right now.
15:09:15 Is that in statute yes, I lost the bylaws cap strength. So I think as long as it's, if it's somewhere else, we don't have to outline it here but state and so i'm
15:09:28 guessing. Civil Service Commission as well, is in code also, but by Rcw.
15:09:33 So statues. Okay, Okay, is it in code as well? Carolyn?
15:09:39 Do you know. Okay, and then clean water advisory council don't know.
15:09:54 Yeah, yeah, I feel like it's a board recommendation but I'm.
15:09:57 Not positive.
15:10:05 Carolyn do you have leslie's list there.
15:10:08 Yeah, good. If you want to look at the it's under voc boards and committees under advisory Board.
15:10:16 Info to like, I said, i'll have it should be merged Well do I mean, do we want to do that work before we have this conversation, cause it seems like we're I thought we could
do it all at once but it seems a
15:10:30 little chaotic to me
15:10:40 I don't care. So if there are processes outline in the statute, we should, you know, just link to those chapters and statue.
15:10:52 Right and conservation futures is probably like that.
15:11:00 An Ordinance Are you on the same list? Kate?
15:11:05 Hold up. Okay, Thanks. I mean, maybe as a suggestion for a path is, we give this up.
15:11:13 This 2 documents merged, and then each of us to start with, can take the board today.
15:11:20 We're on and just reach out to the I guess the staff. usually that is, or external actor.
15:11:27 Who is you we're usually getting from and just say Well, hey?
15:11:29 What's the process and and get each process listed with our assignments as a beginning way.
15:11:37 Okay, i'm just gonna leave these notes in here and in italics, and we'll just do it that way.
15:11:42 Well, if you want to take a look at the Leslie one like, because I think it could be a really good starting Where is that one?
15:11:51 I can share my screen if you want. Okay, you want it later, it's under Vocc bores and committees and main group holder call advisory and advisory board info.
15:12:08 Okay. Okay. Good.
15:12:13 Stop sharing stuff share, so you can share right, please.
15:12:23 So this is really helpful
15:12:38 So that this might just need updating. that looks great. And then putting the links to the you know this source code or the statute, or Hmm Hmm.
15:12:54 Yeah, that's great I Didn't know that existed yeah There's also a Pdf that's an index that has all that all the Rcw.
15:13:03 Information, too. and that's located where in that same place. I think, or maybe that's under there's nothing called index, and that seems advisory board forums for web under
boards and committees but
15:13:22 like definitely. we've updated our piff ordinance the Board of Health.
15:13:28 Statute, and by laws of change, so it would be good to do a refresh
15:13:47 So does. How do we wanna get this work done, do you? Do you want me to cross-reference?
15:13:54 Which I could add a column that says, Who which Commissioner is the lead for these sports and committees currently and staff.
15:14:04 I can do commissioner and staff, and then send it up.
15:14:09 Send you your list for updating. Hmm, Hmm. As Greg was suggesting, Yeah.
15:14:18 And to save as like I could see we We probably don't wanna mess with one cleaning copy.
15:14:25 So we don't lose this master
15:14:32 Yeah, there, there's already a column for department Overseas you could add a column, and next to everyone that says Boc, you could put the Commissioner.
15:14:44 That is gonna work, that one
15:14:50 Yeah, So are you saving as Kate or doing it?
15:15:03 Yeah, I got it, and I could see it's nice to have one that doesn't have like the annual assignments on it.
15:15:14 You know that this is separate from the our Our boards and committee assignment list
15:15:23 Okay, I've got it at it. thank you okay Hmm.
15:15:35 Okay, So then, I can do that. I'll get as much done as I can before Thursday, and put in.
15:15:44 Get it in the packet for next Monday although it's the eleventh is pretty full isn't it. Mark.
15:15:52 Yeah, yeah, Monday, the eleventh is heavy schedule. so we'll look for the next lighter schedule.
15:16:03 But do you want to help with these hiding where you're gonna break break it up, and we can yeah i'm gonna put the Commissioners, and then we're gonna i'm gonna farm them out
i'll i'll email
15:16:13 you, Kate, you your list great Gray you your list, and then i'll copy Mark and Julie cause Julie's been bird dogging boards and committees. Yeah, and it looks like we might
need to
15:16:26 reconcile this with the this. we were working on just before this one, to make sure that all the boards and commissions are on here, cause it looks like there's someone here
that like the fire code advisory board I i've never seen that one before
15:16:42 meaning them. Hmm: Yeah, it might be an old.
15:16:49 And outdated list. Right? Yeah, I look. I will cross reference with our existing list
15:17:00 List was last updated in 2,011 Yeah. Oh, in July 2011, did I hear?
15:17:15 I don't know what month but you sure yeah 11 year old List.
15:17:16 Yeah. So Flood Control District advisory boards
15:17:25 But when we were I was gonna create one similar to this.
15:17:28 When I found this one and said, Oh, this is great! It has all the information we kind of need is a good template
15:17:42 Okay.
15:17:47 Okay, what else for today feels like work that needs to be done not when we're on screen together?
15:17:57 Anything else that anyone wanna do wanna look ahead we haven't done for a while.
15:18:10 Who wants to start mark's link we're supposed to be done right now.
15:18:15 Mark wants to start. Okay, Well, how about start by looking back? because I I didn't get to look back .
15:18:22 Let me just bring up my calendar here quickly.
15:18:28 Alright go back alright. So Monday, the 20 seventh was with the board, and then on Tuesday I met with Michael, Mark, and Roseanne to talk about
15:18:42 His progress in general. learning the role of grand administrator and and to specifically talk about an offer from car cardinal from the straight ecosystem recovery network.
15:18:57 Because they've worked with the the jamestown to administer a contract, and that they've been administering for about 10 years, and I guess the the tried wants to give up administering
that contract and so
15:19:11 they've approached the county to see if we would like to take that over.
15:19:17 And So I connected Michael with Kara and with Hansie from the tribe.
15:19:24 And he's doing research into what that might entail but if we were to take that over, we'd heard about 18,000 in administrative fees that would help offset the cost of Michael,
and that was part of the plan when
15:19:37 the Board approved, bringing him on as a staff member was to work to have a grand administration.
15:19:43 Charges cover his salary, and benefits so hopefully We'll have a an assessment on this It It has to happen relatively quickly, because a new contract will be entered into on
October first.
15:19:58 Or they're about. So and then I also spent some time working gary keyster from Bayside, sent a an email to Heidi inquiring about the Consolidated homeless grant that comes out
of
15:20:14 commerce every 2 years that the county has never applied for.
15:20:18 Only Cap applies for it every 2 years and they they're the only ones that ever have.
15:20:26 And so I also discussed this with with Michael and Roseanne and
15:20:31 Put Michael in into contact with the the poc of commerce so he could learn about the grant, So we'll be poised to apply the next time there's an opportunity which will be in
2,000, and 23 and they do pass through a lot
15:20:42 of those dollars to the other agencies it's not the pay cap is the only one that utilizes the funds.
15:20:48 But there are, you know, our coordinated entry organization right?
15:20:53 Right. so there are others that can that could use some of that funding.
15:20:57 If it were past through the county, and potentially we could get a larger sum of money.
15:21:03 If we were to apply what i'm saying is right now they are that 8.
15:21:06 That money doesn't just go to only cap services it also goes to but based side services in that house, because I I believe, and if only Cap passes it to them.
15:21:17 That might be the case, but according to the contact of commerce only caps the only applicant for this particular grant only Cap administers at all, and I I could be incorrect
in my understanding of it.
15:21:30 But I I thought that a lot of that Consolidated shelter Grant did get pass through Holycot cap, and you ended up with different organizations
15:21:43 Heidi and I talked about the chimicum Drainage district, and and how there might be some interest in re-energizing that district.
15:21:53 And more research and discussions to occur there. Tuesday afternoon met with the 18 and
15:22:01 Chief Black from East Jefferson. Fire and rescue was there.
15:22:05 He briefed us up on the merger potential merger between the Port Ludlow Fire District and and East Jefferson Fire district, and he talked about tax implications. how
15:22:16 They're gonna try to get a let levy lift on the ballot for February.
15:22:22 And we also talked about the hospital and the fact that it. Looks like they're going to try to get a debt a debt issue on the November ballot for their hospital expansion.
15:22:34 And they might be asking for as much as 55 million in in that in that vote cause, their project has experienced substantial inflation.
15:22:43 So the the new the new rage. of potential cost is between 90 and 110, which is I don't know if it's double with the previous estimate.
15:22:53 But if it's not double it's it's very close so.
15:23:00 This is not the greatest environment to ask for increase tax revenue from the voters given the inflation rate, and then the looming recession.
15:23:07 So. I don't think the timing is very good on those things.
15:23:12 And are they working with the Assessor? to see how how close we're getting to the cap?
15:23:17 I mean. I know a lot of motor approved ones are outside of that.
15:23:19 But you know, if if they've been involved with the Assessor.
15:23:28 Okay, then, Wednesday Budget Committee that was a question.
15:23:32 Do you know, do you know i'm working with the Assessor to figure out if how close we are to the cap on some of those levy lids?
15:23:42 I'm not no I we did talk about the 5 90 cap, and but I don't know whether he's been in contact with Jeff.
15:23:51 But I can. I can give Jeff a heads up, and maybe he can reach out to to Chief black, and also Hmm. Yeah, in the hospital.
15:24:02 Yeah, I don't know how close we are to the cap And then Wednesday afternoon all the financial types I met to go over additional annual report documents. for about an hour and
a half Then on Thursday I Sat in
15:24:20 on the casual brown a project meeting met with Heidi to go over the agenda for to for today, and then met with Brent in the afternoon, and then Friday I was on Pto So that
15:24:37 That was last week, and I I can continue into this week if you want.
15:24:42 Sure. Okay. Short week holiday on Monday. off again on Friday.
15:24:47 Today has been with the board all day
15:24:54 Tomorrow. I I just have county administrator duties meeting with staff about various things.
15:25:00 I'm working with Dj in it to develop a series of comprehensive policies for for it.
15:25:10 The State Auditor has given counties a heads up that in in maybe 2 or 3 years.
15:25:16 They're gonna start auditing information technology as part of their annual audits.
15:25:24 And and we have a long list of items for which we need to have developed policies, and so we'll be working on that over the course of the next year and a half.
15:25:32 Or so, and then I met with judy shepherd and we're going to bring a series of financial policies to the Board to help professionalize
15:25:46 Our our budgeting process more so than it is already.
15:25:49 One of those policies will will involve looking at the fund balances of funds that receive transfers from the general fund will be evaluating fund balances.
15:26:00 Against what's required by board resolution and it may be that transfers budgeted transfers may be reduced based on our assessment of need, and as approved by the board so anyway.
15:26:17 but a lot of behind the scenes administration work going on so that's it.
15:26:25 Cool sounds busy, Mark, and i'm glad you got a long weekend.
15:26:33 Then. Kate, you want to go Sure, Couple of things with you tomorrow.
15:26:40 Heidi be at the ribbon cutting for the about 1 16 and cedar avenue bike pedestrian improvement project. and i'll just be there is that a spectator Then we have
15:26:56 a Board of Health reorganization meeting and to select Hopefully, we've gotten some good applicants that were to go positions, and that for Thursday.
15:27:12 Do you have that tomorrow one that didn't work out for other folks.
15:27:16 So maybe that's I just haven't I just have it on Thursday.
15:27:24 Then the meeting with the Wasac infrastructure work group.
15:27:30 That is the group that's turned the narrow down a few legislative priorities around infrastructure and transportation for next session, and then Jefferson transit advisory group
meeting tomorrow great afternoon
15:27:44 Thursday have a Economic Development Council meeting, and then a Board of Health Subcommittee.
15:27:53 Expansion. candidates will be reviewing the applications we got from where to help, and Friday I have nothing on my calendar, so that will either fill up or I will take part
of the day off
15:28:11 Although, should no we're doing third fridays for a coordination meeting.
15:28:15 Is that right? mark every third, the fifteenth looks ?
15:28:25 Right. Yeah, I did. It is so it it's on the fifteenth this month,
15:28:34 Oh, I'll go next I guess idea you ready let's see tomorrow.
15:28:41 I think because our family plans are changed. I might be able to join you guys at 10 Am.
15:28:46 At the the ribbon cutting so i'll certainly be there as a spectator, too, if I can
15:28:53 Following that we have a data view review work group with the quill seen empowered the teams to go over some of the surveys that we have queline and Brennan in power Teams coalition
15:29:02 I should say, And then in the afternoon tomorrow, meeting with the Vicki Santa T.
15:29:09 Julia Cochran and Barbara Mori from the housing solutions network to kind of review the changes to the temporary housing ordinance that we passed.
15:29:19 And some of the changes they see as being problematic.
15:29:22 For between the Planning Commission hearing and that and we'll bring back that information to you guys next week on Thursday I have the Olympic area agency on aging meeting
at 10 and then we have the
15:29:34 povc and then I am meeting some with some residents in Brennan on Friday, and it's pretty pretty light Friday other than that.
15:29:46 So That's my week, hey? I have the cedar as urban cutting ceremony with you guys tomorrow.
15:30:03 And then a Jta Finance meeting at 2 tomorrow afternoon.
15:30:07 On Thursday, the border of health setup committee that Kate mentioned about the Board of Health Expansion and Trustland Transfer Conservation Group meeting in the afternoon,
and then Mark and I will do agenda planning for
15:30:23 next week, and then Thursday evening i'm going to Landfest, which is the Land Trust's annual event at Fen River and Friday.
15:30:35 I have a straight ern steering committee meeting and I think also tomorrow I'm going to be attending.
15:30:45 Maybe it was next week, tomorrow, if you just sound partnership.
15:30:50 Another listing session related to the sales and this whole funding the funding stack, and then Saturday.
15:31:01 I am participating in the Nrg Forest tour and cool scene.
15:31:08 So some gaps for projects this week which is nice i'll be able to dig in on some things, and preparing for doing a chamber presentation next week about the work of the county
in 20
15:31:26 22, and when Kate did hers she did a look back at 2021 primarily, and i'm i'm on deck to do year to date with the chamber next week yeah
15:31:47 That's it for me. this week, no conflicts No, we look at the following week, cause i'm gonna be out with some going out to the West End.
15:31:58 And it trip was cut short a little bit I think i'll mostly just be gone.
15:32:05 The thirteenth and fourteenth I actually don't have any conflicts.
15:32:13 So maybe that's not a big deal but just fyi Oh, i'll also be out the fifteenth actually so.
15:32:23 And last few days of that weekend out. make it a note of it in my calendar, at least
15:32:36 Any other things. Farther out on the horizon
15:32:46 I think I already let you guys know that I did sign up for the next next tranche of work on the trustland transfer program.
15:32:56 11 for punishment. So that's coming well hopefully, we'll test our new recipe, and it will be a success.
15:33:07 I hear that people are supposed to take vacations in order to be more productive workers.
15:33:13 So anyone planning to do that? Gosh! a vacation got a fence I need to build.
15:33:20 Maybe i'll take a couple of days and there for that I tend to do long weekends to not miss too much work.
15:33:27 But then I just get more and more tired cause you know then you don't really have a weekend and to like do anything at home.
15:33:36 So yeah, I've got one I I hope to schedule in October.
15:33:40 My nephew is getting married in greece Oh, yeah, we're hoping to be there, for that was nice.
15:33:51 He invited all of us. we'll be there i'll just rent a bigger place.
15:34:00 Yeah, I don't have any many here on the horizon.
15:34:05 Unless you consider the Sunday, Ballard Ballard farmers markets in August every Sunday as vacation.
15:34:12 Oh, Geez, you got a pet working it.
15:34:15 That does not sound like a vacation. now. sounds fun to me.
15:34:27 Huh? Yeah, I've been called in i've been called into into service, which i'm excited.
15:34:35 I've been asking to be called into service for that particular task for a while, so I'm.
15:34:44 When you asked about vacations, I looked forward on the counter I'm like No.
15:34:51 Oh, i'll probably have to get we have a fifth Monday in August.