HomeMy WebLinkAboutclosed_caption09:01:31 Yeah, I'm gonna turn on 80 capture
09:01:42 I'm gonna wait till my cell phone. says Oh, there we go Okay.
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09:02:04 Okay, Oh, there we go. So i'm gonna call this July 1122 meeting of the Jefferson County Board of Commissioners to order.
09:02:18 Good morning, everybody. I hope everyone enjoyed some sunshine this weekend.
09:02:25 As we do every Monday we start our meetings with public comments.
09:02:31 If there are folks in the attendee list who would wish to make public comment this morning, Please raise your hand using the raise hand button at the bottom of the zoom screen.
09:02:45 I don't see anyone joining us via phone today.
09:02:48 So Oh, I see! One hand went up
09:02:55 And there goes another hand. I'll bring them over his panelists, and then you can call upon them
09:03:09 Andy you're gonna need to accept the promotion the panelists up there.
09:03:14 We go let's start with patricia since she came over first.
09:03:20 Good morning, Dr. Jones. Good morning, Commissioners. Thank you so much for the opportunity to comment.
09:03:29 I appreciate again all the work being done on the forestry issue.
09:03:34 Our organization sent a very lengthy apologies again for the length of the letter.
09:03:40 About a week ago, and i'm hoping to hear what would be the best opportunity and format to discuss, either individually or collectively, with you.
09:03:52 The points that we raised. Thank you so much again. Thank you.
09:04:01 Andy, you will need to unmute and in you have 3Â min for public comment.
09:04:07 You'll need to unmute andy
09:04:16 There you go I just wanted to do myself. President of the I sorry you're breaking up.
09:04:31 You're breaking up. We can't hear you maybe i'll call him on the phone.
09:04:38 You can try just turning off your camera, perhaps just if you cut that off.
09:04:45 Try that. Yeah. Just wanted to introduce myself. is President
09:04:58 Andy you're breaking up. Still, maybe you just need to get closer to your microphone because we could.
09:05:05 I think you said how's this any better Okay, I just wanna introduce myself as the president of the Border Directors Society.
09:05:20 And forward. you will see folks and you see my email address there.
09:05:28 If you have any questions or terms. I understand. Kate Dean is the Humane Society person.
09:05:37 Is that tree? does that fall under your venue, or are very under your responsibilities?
09:05:43 Smoking with basketball. I look forward to
09:05:51 Continuing relationship
09:05:57 Thank you, Andy. Okay. You were still breaking up, Andy, but that was the Humane Society of Jefferson County, Washington.
09:06:06 Right good to hear from you. We look forward to working with you, too.
09:06:10 Thank you. and I hope you have a better connection next time. I work on that about to do in person.
09:06:19 That'd be even better. thank you is there anybody else on the attendee list this morning.
09:06:26 Who would like to make public comments. Please use the raise hand button at the bottom of your zoom screen.
09:06:32 I don't see anyone on the phone so that's that's our option this morning, and I see time Tier.
09:06:39 She's joined us Good morning, Tom you'll have 3Â min for public comment.
09:06:42 When you unmute
09:06:48 And I did thank you. good morning. I got a couple of things I noticed.
09:06:54 Item 8 on your consent agenda I was reading through the the proposed parks and recreation advisory board bylaws update. and I noticed that there's a a really strange typo if
you
09:07:07 go to page 8 of the handout or the attachment or page 6 of the by laws you'll see the there's at the bottom of the page.
09:07:15 There's a strange sentence that doesn't relate to anything it says.
09:07:18 The chair shall place to the item on an upcoming agenda, which I don't say which item not discussed before that, or after that.
09:07:25 It's just sort of a I don't know it's just a weird leftover sentence that either should be expanded and explained or removed.
09:07:33 But in any case it makes no sense. second subject. Wanted to comment on public comments couple of months ago, back in April.
09:07:44 Actually, I sent Mark Macaulay a an email outlining the fact that there were changes, you know, to the open Public Meetings act that required public comment at at all meetings,
and recommended to him that they that
09:08:00 you know, establish sort of a group email address for each of the many or a couple of dozen committees that the county has.
09:08:09 So that a person can just send their public comment to that group address, and it will be automatically distributed to all the members of that committee.
09:08:18 That requirement to distribute to the members is part of the opma and you shouldn't ignore it.
09:08:24 Unfortunately, I'm looking at the committees on your website and I don't see any changes like that available, and some of them like the Ltac, for example, not only don't have
any email address to which to send public.
09:08:37 comments they don't even have a public comment period listed on the agenda, and that's another thing that is basically required by the opma.
09:08:45 So I my request is that you take another look at that that email that I sent to Mr. Mcaulay.
09:08:53 Take a look at it from a requirements standpoint, and see what you can do to move that along.
09:08:59 I think it would be in the in the best interest of everybody, and and especially in the of the public, who want to make public comments on all these committee meetings.
09:09:07 Thanks very much. Appreciate your comments, Mr. Cheers.
09:09:12 Is there anybody else on the attendee list this morning who would like to make a public comment?
09:09:18 Please use the raise hand button at the bottom of the zoom screen or Nope.
09:09:23 No one's on the phone so that's your option raise hand button at the bottom of the zoom screen app, bringing over Larry
09:09:39 Good morning, Larry. you're gonna need to unmute and you'll have 3Â min for comment
09:09:50 Week I can't hear you larry
09:09:59 Let's go to George yant and Then maybe Larry can figure out what's going on with his audio, because he appears to be unmuted on our screens.
09:10:09 But we're not hearing you larry so maybe it's a setting on your computer. good morning, good morning, George.
09:10:15 Good morning. I have just kind of a I don't know what kind of a question it is.
09:10:22 But on my zoom there's no symbol that would indicate how many people are observing the meeting.
09:10:29 Is that possible? Z: Do you not see the attendee list?
09:10:36 There Okay, okay. Well, I could say they're 18 right now.
09:10:48 Okay, Thank you very much. Good morning, Larry. Can you hear me now? Yes, we can.
09:10:56 We have 3Â min for comment. Great, Thank you. This will be quick.
09:10:58 I just wanted to update the the Commission on the State parks and military training status the parks were taken to court, and the judge determined that, the military training
and State parks is not consistent with their
09:11:16 mission and still reverse the Commission decision the appeal period for that Judge ruling has expired which makes this a final ruling.
09:11:25 So I wanted to just let be sure the Commission all the Commissioners knew that, and to thank you for your support.
09:11:32 The various communities and people who supported this effort we're instrumental in influencing that the people involved in the decision.
09:11:41 So I just wanted to thank thank all the people in the on the Commission and let you know that our parks are now free of military training.
09:11:48 So thank you very much. Thank you, Larry. I saw that in the news, and that was great news based on the public input we got last year when we were working on that issue.
09:12:01 So. Is there anyone else on the attendee list this morning who would like to make public comment?
09:12:08 You can use the raise hand button at the bottom of zoom screen.
09:12:12 I see there are about 20 people with us this morning. Some of them are staff but
09:12:18 Anyone else wishing to make public comment at this time not seeing any other hands go up.
09:12:23 We'll leave public comment open until 9 30 so if somebody is feels moved later, and it's this public comment period.
09:12:30 Please don't hesitate to raise your hand and we'll bring you over for comments.
09:12:36 What's your pleasure colleagues do we wanna turn to consent?
09:12:41 Agenda. Can we respond to public comments first would you like to Greg Kick us off?
09:12:55 Sure I can kick us off appreciate as always everyone's comments.
09:12:56 And Andy I I hope we do meet in person, because it was difficult to hear you. but it sounds like you're the new chair of the Board president of the board of the humane society,
and that's great I
09:13:05 don't think that we haven't assigned the Commissioner to that relationship. so you can always reach out to anyone.
09:13:09 We're all ready interested in these issues and the exporters of the Humane Society. and Patricia.
09:13:18 I I will confess I have not really done into the the letter it's it's a meeting one.
09:13:21 But I will. I will look into it and personally get back to you. It's probably best for us to engage in domain to start, so I will schedule a meeting with you guys, and happy
to sit down as always Mr.
09:13:33 Tish you know I agree. I mean we've been I always appreciate your pushing us to be compliant and opma We we strive for transparency, and you know it's a constant
09:13:46 iterative battle, and you know I think we've done pretty good about making up most of the meetings contain public comment, and and we'll follow up on the requirement for a group
address is a staff issue too, it's a
09:13:58 capacity. it's you know just our jeff voc takes one of our staff members a considerable part of the day. So I think it's really can we leverage technology to automatically filter
that and then it might be a little
09:14:08 bit more logical. So we're manageable but we'll we'll look into that and get back to you to Larry.
09:14:16 I appreciate the update. I have not seen the news that the appeal period had passed, So that is great news and military has a an awful lot of land.
09:14:25 They can practice training, on so I'm i'm glad that it's not going to be happening you know next to my pigment and to Mr.
09:14:32 Yance. you know, as we say, the the Zoom meeting.
09:14:36 We can see and the panelists can see how many attendees there are. I don't think there's an easy way to make that open for everyone else, and then we also have a number of people
that are watching on av capture which is not
09:14:48 a 2 way medium, of course. but I think there can be sometimes up to, you know.
09:14:53 I don't know caroline can you see account of the people that are watching on av captioning for that
09:14:59 They used to provide analytics on that and they don't anymore. But we were averaging about 20 to 100, sometimes especially more during the covid update but like I said they
don't do those reports anymore.
09:15:10 Gotcha so lost that data pointer ourselves. But yeah, somewhere between 20 and a 100, usually.
09:15:17 And it definitely peters off. towards the end of the day we get our most involvement in the morning.
09:15:24 I think that's everyone thank you all for your phones 8?
09:15:31 Do you want to respond to anything. sure I I don't have a lot to add.
09:15:37 You know it is a you know. I hate to to create more committee work, cause we already sit on a lot of committees.
09:15:49 But you know I I do think it's it's interesting to think about.
09:15:52 If there should be a commissioner assignment to some of our kind of partner organizations like the human society.
09:16:01 So maybe that's something we'll want to give thought to if there's a if there's a need you know.
09:16:04 So Andy happy to meet with you and and discuss that i'm trying to remember there was another one.
09:16:12 This came up for recently someone that we work with a lot, and saying, Yes, it's funny that we don't have a any sort of representation from the county on so try to remember
what that was but you know there's
09:16:27 just no ends to the places that we could in search ourselves and and hopefully be useful.
09:16:33 That's to be decided Patricia thank you I do have your letter.
09:16:38 I saved it, you know. just really interested in having as many options as possible, and really appreciate you outlined a number of very clear steps that the Board could take.
and
09:16:51 We're all learning and digesting a lot right now, and frankly kind of waiting for Dnr to to respond, and let us know what their engagement will be with us on this process.
09:17:02 That said we're also moving forward so it's it's really helpful to have in one place a number of suggestions from you, and It will be a long term process that we're just embarking
09:17:14 on. So stay tuned. We will, you know, good input from a number of stakeholders. Mr.
09:17:24 Tirish. I I agree that it would be great if if various committees did have an email. and
09:17:35 I believe the planning commission instituted that a couple of years ago.
09:17:37 Right. We don't have a planning commission email and so I think it's just you know, kind of getting that like Commissioner Brotherton said, getting the staff in different departments
kind of equipped to to be able to
09:17:49 use technology accordingly, and be interesting to hear how much work that is for staff to manage.
09:17:53 The planning commission, or if they can be directed automatically to specific email addresses.
09:18:02 We can certainly do that with a standard email account forward to another address.
09:18:06 So might be work trying to get some some expertise, maybe from it, and see if we can figure out a way to do that.
09:18:17 My understanding of the the change to opma is that public comment was required when final action was to be taken.
09:18:25 So i'm i'm not necessarily but every, every agenda has to require it, unless there's final action being taken.
09:18:35 So that will continue to adapt to the new opma requirements, and always appreciate you bringing them to our attention. Mr.
09:18:42 Chair. and Larry. thank you for the good news.
09:18:47 I also have not heard of that, but it's you know it's in agreement with Commissioner Brotherton.
09:18:56 The military has a lot of space for training. and that is that that seems perfectly adequate, and parks are are intended for a very different purpose.
09:19:07 So let's keep them that way. so I think that's all today.
09:19:11 Thanks, Kate to, Andy I would say I feel like I should be the Humane Society Commissioner, because my dog got fixed by the Humane Society last week, and i'm very grateful for
that service that you provide to
09:19:25 the community having the availability of like lower cost, spay, and neuter clinics for puppies and kitties.
09:19:37 So a really great service, super grateful for the Humane Society Great customer service out there, and I look forward to as we open reopen after the pandemic.
09:19:49 I keep saying this after whenever that comes. that the Humane Society can be more open to, and and not have to be by appointment only.
09:20:00 But, anyway, appreciate you being here this morning I know i'm the opm a question that we're I think, scheduling a workshop for next week in response to a number of the changes
and the open public meetings
09:20:13 act, and there's a draft Greg and Kate that you will receive sometime this week from Philip regarding the work activities of boards and commissions, and their Opma requirements
so staff has been
09:20:29 doing a bunch of work on updating the requirements and creating a a manual for boards and commissions.
09:20:39 And we should check to make sure that that includes the suggestion of the bundling of emails and then distributing, bundling, and distributing of emails to appropriate people.
09:20:52 Patricia, I appreciate you being here this morning, and I would love to meet with you one on one That's that's our option right now.
09:20:59 I spent most of Saturday out in the forest with Northwest Natural Resources Group.
09:21:04 Seeing a family for us that they are working on in quilting.
09:21:11 It was quite inspiring, and i've been saying since April that we need to figure out a way to make more sustainable revenue from these forests that Dnr manages on behalf of the
09:21:23 county as part of the State Forest transfer trust and you know I'm.
09:21:27 Starting to feel more hopeful that that might be a possibility with more sustainable longer, longer planning horizons on these forests.
09:21:39 So I would look forward to having a more detailed discussion with you.
09:21:43 So it sounds like you're dance. card's gonna get filled up with the 3 of us.
09:21:49 But I think it would be worthwhile to have those conversations.
09:21:54 I think that's that's it from me in terms of responses.
09:21:59 I am also grateful that the State parks military training.
09:22:04 Decision. is unfolding the way it is. and it took a while to get here.
09:22:09 But here we are. So the families I heard from during that public comment phase back a year ago, who were kind of living in fear of being on being in places where black black
clad people with the emerging from the shorelines into their
09:22:27 family picnics, which may have been a little overly dramatic, because the military did say they would take efforts to not disrupt people.
09:22:36 But still there was a lot of fear going around about kind of having those activities going on where people are relaxing and recreating.
09:22:46 So I appreciate the way this is unfolded.
09:22:53 We? Oh, greg Yeah. I just I forgot to address Mr.
09:23:01 Tier's comment about the parks and rack handbook that's on our consent agenda, and it does does exchange section 18.
09:23:05 It looks like that sentence might be the last sentence.
09:23:07 After the paragraph on the next page but I guess I'm, wondering if we can just get this past Matt Tyler's eyes again.
09:23:13 Who's the principal drafter of this just to verified.
09:23:18 I don't think we it has urgency to get passed on the consent agenda today, does it, Mark?
09:23:22 I mean before you get a right if if you could approve it's subject to I mean I that's a script, or there a big one.
09:23:30 But but we can, We can clarify. that in the final minutes. I don't know if you needed to come back to the Board to review the repair.
09:23:41 But I think, gal. Oh, no, this is yeah, Tyler.
09:23:46 Yeah, I think we can rely on that to do the right thing.
09:23:50 And comparing this defect i'm comfortable with that looks like either exciting the first sentence or moving it behind the other 2 sentences.
09:24:00 We also make it work work. So I I just either one as the essentially the same meeting.
09:24:04 So I'm okay with considering this okay? so it's 9, 24 is there anybody who's. I said.
09:24:13 A few people joined us in the last number of minutes, and i'm, wondering if there's anyone who's joined us recently who would like to make public comment this morning.
09:24:22 If so, use the raise hand button at the bottom of your zoom screen.
09:24:28 That's all just zoom at this point so Anybody wishing to make public comment on anything really.
09:24:40 Can use the raise hand button at the bottom of the zoom screen.
09:24:46 Okay, believe, public comment open for another few minutes. Do we want to turn to consent?
09:24:50 Agenda.
09:24:56 So it sounds like. Is there anything that anyone else, any other items in a in addition to the parks and recognizery board bylaws update that anyone would like to call out the
consent agenda this morning You know
09:25:11 we have 3 hearings come up coming up. you know on the greater, jolly way. and so we're very no shooting area proposal.
09:25:19 On July 20 fifth, on the conservation, few futures hearing for 22.
09:25:24 On August the first, and also to amend some conservation features conclusions also on August first.
09:25:32 Just so, just to put that in people's if they want to attend.
09:25:35 Those are all in the morning, starting around 1030, Anything else that anyone wants to call out on the consent agenda.
09:25:45 Well, you know, aside from those 2 scriptures areas. there's thanks to Matt Tyler for really doing the work on the on the part and and recognizery board handbook it's I think
it looks great so
09:25:57 I love excuse me I didn't have anything to call out, Would anyone like to make a motion to a I'll move to approve and adopt the consent? agenda with the scriptures as discussed
i'll
09:26:15 second, all in favor. Aye, okay, consent. Agenda passes in honestly. Okay.
09:26:26 9, 26 gonna do last call for public comment can fit another one in here.
09:26:33 Anybody have anything they would like to add to the conversation this morning, or bring to our attention.
09:26:42 Hey? I'm gonna close public comment. Then and we have about 20Â min until we're joined by Dr.
09:26:53 Barry and Willie Bince. do we wanna do?
09:27:01 A little look briefing might be able to get that out of the way i'm happy to start back to last week.
09:27:09 Kind of a short week, cause we had the holiday on Monday, and then public session all day.
09:27:13 Tuesday, Wednesday. All 3 of us attended ribbon cutting for the State route. 1 16, and Cedar Avenue.
09:27:21 Put a Strand bike improvement project which is just really gratifying to see and encourage folks to to.
09:27:28 If you ever pop into the county library, take a look at the couple of blocks, and behind the library a new pathway going to the school, and then a bike lane sidewalk and great
led lights going
09:27:42 up Cedar Avenue. So really great Project Public works, as usual, just did a a great job getting that difficult project completed.
09:27:51 And so great great work all around. I have mentioned that the Association of Counties Legislative Steering committee is working hard on their legislative agenda.
09:28:04 So we have a number of probably 60, some ideas that we are considering, and have to narrow it down to probably about 5 or 6 priorities for the upcoming legislative session,
and so that work is underway had
09:28:17 a meeting last week with the infrastructure work group.
09:28:23 So broken, basically into like 5 different work groups that are each focused on maybe 10 or 12 either, that we're trying to prioritize and narrow down.
09:28:33 And lot of that infrastructure work. is pretty agreeable, you know.
09:28:38 We don't always agree on all things but luckily things like transportation planning.
09:28:42 We can agree to one of the significant asks will be that we come up with something we've been working on Ptpo for a while, too.
09:28:51 Have a swap program within the State, so that would Federal dollars come in.
09:28:56 They can basically be swapped for state dollars, because the the working requirements for using those are much less.
09:29:01 I think that's gonna be one of the the primary priorities.
09:29:06 About 13 States have a swap program like that so it's nothing unusual.
09:29:10 Interesting to hear about that, and we'll say too, one of the ideas.
09:29:15 We spent a lot of time on last week was number of Eastern Washington Kind of commissioners really don't wanna see renewable energy projects.
09:29:25 And, you know resist the States move to move away from carbon-based fuel sources, and it's It's It's a challenge to to hang in there for 2Â h and really discuss
09:29:41 Oh, you know, efforts to block what? but the very kinds of things that we are trying to advance.
09:29:47 So middle ground can be hard to find and it's hard to know when to.
09:29:51 You know, just really put a a a stick in the ground and say, i'm not gonna budge from this but good good good process.
09:30:03 And and hopefully we, you know Well, my hope is that we we just dropped that part, and it doesn't become part of our legislative agenda.
09:30:12 Obviously Unfortunately, we did not have a quorum at the Jefferson Transit Advisory Group meeting.
09:30:18 And that's been a a challenge to get folks to engage so they've moved to a hybrid format, hoping that that would encourage a little more participation.
09:30:27 But it's little frustrating so let me know if you need to recruit members who are more more interested.
09:30:36 You know we had a lot of push from the advocates to restart the advisory group, and when I don't get participation, it's a little frustrating so hope that that group can can
get
09:30:50 reinvigorated we really value their input Let's see Thursday have an economic development Council Board meeting, and that Ebc is is really operating like something of a startup.
right now.
09:31:06 So it's a lot of time on bylaws and policies, and, you know, trying to get get that organization rebooted with more public agency participation and a new director.
09:31:17 So quite a bit of time. just working on nuts and goals.
09:31:19 There. Hi! Do you know how Heidi and I are both on the Board of Health?
09:31:23 Expansion subcommittee and really please Just say we had 8 candidates for 8 applicants for the 2 positions on the Board of Health, and we'll be interviewing them at the Board
of Health meeting on the
09:31:37 20 first, I believe. and diverse set of lived experience and just really really pleased that we have a big enough group to choose from.
09:31:52 Let's see Friday took a number of calls and meetings
09:31:59 Oh, one with the Hook cannot coordinating council, as Heidi has talked about the Epa and the pages and partnership.
09:32:07 Took $500,000 in funding promised away from the local integrating organization.
09:32:14 Since that's caused lot of consternation and and because i'm on the leadership Council if you just on partnership, it's a funny position I really agonized over how how involved
to get on that
09:32:27 issue it's funny I was thinking I probably could easily represent kind of I could wear 4 different hats and thinking about that issue, and depending on which of those 4 hats
I was wearing I would come to a different answer for every
09:32:42 single one. it's It's a you know not not an issue. That's That's super clear and obvious The partnership in the Epa are trying to be more strategic and get larger projects funded
which
09:32:53 they people are more likely to result in a large scale restoration and preservation of pizza sound.
09:33:02 And so that is why they pull those funds back, and but of course, you know, that takes it away from the local level, where you know people know best. there.
09:33:13 You know what their priorities are, and what projects are going to be most impactful in their communities.
09:33:17 So little top head a couple of hard phone calls on Friday about that.
09:33:23 I'm not convinced there's a right answer which the longer i'm in this job that often seems to be the incl inclusion I come to kinda another meeting with Ebc again just really
trying to camera out a number of things actually that
09:33:39 that meeting was specifically about the North Olympic legislative Alliance.
09:33:42 Which I recorded on last week fairly extensively.
09:33:46 Nothing has changed since then but the Edc. actually pays for our participation in Nola.
09:33:55 The 2 Edcs cover that and and yet their capacity is a little bit limited, and being able to participate in Allah.
09:34:07 So stay tuned for more on that. So those are the highlights of my week.
09:34:14 Thanks, Kate, over to you, Greg. Great. Thank you. of course, was with you guys on the fifth of July, and I think I told you last week the after action for the the gardener
area at least, was pretty positive for The Fourth
09:34:29 July. really enjoyed the cedar avenue ribbon, cutting great great new project.
09:34:35 And yeah, love that people are are using it so vibrantly already.
09:34:40 Also on Wednesday, participated with the Quilcy empowered Teams coalition, and that review of the healthy youth survey the the recent survey from the lens of you know substance
use from teens which
09:34:53 is really that the that groups mandate?
09:35:01 And you know there was a gap year where they they didn't collect data at all because of covid, and it's it looks like a real anomaly.
09:35:07 I mean the trends are still there. But I I think that ultimately this this data is going to be not that valuable except as an outlier. just because there are so many different
things.
09:35:17 But of course I mean we heard last week and we'll see the you're really concerning mental health issues, but from substance abuse in in quilting at least to the respondents
kids don't smoke anymore.
09:35:30 That's good But there's an awful lot of vaping, and that's that's the real critical one that we need to focus on.
09:35:37 And and acceptance of marijuana as an as a non harmful substance for for youth, which is really unfortunate with the developing brains, the team still have so those are the
2 issues that we've kind
09:35:53 of drilled down, I think, to to focus on in the empowered teams based on the healthy survey information that we processed I met with the housing solutions network to review
the that you know, they the
09:36:06 frustrations with the path that are are temporary housing ordinance.
09:36:09 Chuck from the planning commission to and action. and I.
09:36:15 There are some some issues that raise a few flags for me to what color they are.
09:36:18 I'm still learning i'm meeting with brid butler to kind of review this stuff tomorrow. but I I think the biggest thing process wise is just you know that when the Planning Commission
looked at it was still kind of an
09:36:29 ordinance form. and then, when it came to us after all the public input in its creation, then it was codified, and I think it should probably should have been codified if possible,
when the planning Commission was looking at it so it didn't
09:36:41 look like apples to oranges because everything was re-ordered, and it was really hard to process So that's my first takeaway. we'll i'll dig into a few more of that the details
that some of the housing
09:36:52 Solution network folks are concerned about. After I talk to Director Butler about that started planning commission interviews for District 3. we have.
09:37:01 We had 3 applicants completed 2 of them last week, and have one more this week.
09:37:08 And you know, talking about different perspectives that you know I think it's more challenging than just reappointing the existence of the sitting Commissioner, which is like
our our de facto practice in the past I think this
09:37:19 is, it's good to to get out of our comfort zone I felt out of my comfort zone, and and really drilling down and looking objectively at all the applicant.
09:37:27 So I I think the decision that we made to broaden our are
09:37:32 I guess our action is is is a good one, though, though it makes it more difficult.
09:37:37 Right triple. A Olympic area agency on aging on Thursday was was good.
09:37:45 The one applicant for that program that I have touted a couple times the home share program for Seniors silver and asked had problems with the contract, since it was Federal
money and backed out of the contract and would not sign the
09:37:58 contract. The good news is, they really see the need, and have decided just to do it, saving like $20,000 and and O. 3 A.
09:38:08 Is still going to kind of go through the process with silver and ask they're just not going to sign a contract, and they're kind of using it as a a bit of a pilot in the area.
09:38:17 So still moving forward, probably a little delayed and and just kind of working out without a contract.
09:38:22 How does How does this exactly work the Lions Club?
09:38:27 And quill soon started new first Thursdays conversational meeting, and I joined that 6, 30 on the seventh, and that was really engaging to meet with some of the new folks that
have moved to quil saying some
09:38:38 of that, you know, fourth generation folks who live in Wilson and and robust conversation there was, it was positive that was some folks down in Britain on Friday, and also
had a debrief with our departing Chip
09:38:54 director that I really, I really regret. Laurie Laurie leaving us at the beginning of August, but wanted to understand her.
09:39:01 Her rationale, and how we move chip forward as effectively without her cause. She's been a big part of the success of that program, and that was my week love to hear what you
learned from that interview, because I was kind of devastated when
09:39:15 I got her note last weekend, and I think maybe we need to have a work session on Chip or figure out next steps on chip my week.
09:39:31 You know I finally wrote up the the day Bob Tour notes that when we did the natural natural area tour with the legislators and Dnr a few weeks ago, and it underscored for me
in the process of writing
09:39:48 up those noses. How How many issues we're tracking right now, relative to Dnr.
09:39:55 You know the the completing the 3 dressing transfers, the 2 and the cool, a quiver, wildlife corridor, and one on the Tuandos peninsula.
09:40:06 This whole larger forest discussion, and just feels like there's a lot of and potential activity and activity in partnership with Dnr: So we should at some point after we have
our individual conversations with Patricia and others
09:40:28 maybe circle the wagons on all of these, all these issues I I, as I said, I spent half the day at out at out and quote scene with Northwest Natural Resource group on Saturday,
and I think they have a lot
09:40:42 of great experience and insight that they could provide into these questions.
09:40:48 But I still feel like there are more questions that answers and So that's just a reflection on my trying to compile notes from the day, Bob, tour that we're meaningful for the
debrief of that that
09:41:05 experience. really enjoy the ribbon. Cutting my first ribbon.
09:41:11 Cutting as a commissioner still makes me feel like a new Commissioner.
09:41:14 People remind me you still are a new commissioner. And it was, it was just great, and I I love hearing from the library director and the schools folks who are there?
09:41:26 How many people are actually already using that trail? that when we were there on a weekday morning, but almost every afternoon families are using the trail.
09:41:38 And So happy to see that I also participated in all of the planning Commission candidate interviews for District 2 last week with Joe Peterson and Yep.
09:41:49 Completely can occur with what Commissioner Brother Chin said we had.
09:41:54 We have 3 great applicants for one seat. and you know It's gonna be an interesting process making a decision, and I i'm also appreciative of staff and and Commissioner Dean
sitting down with director butler and coming
09:42:12 up with a process standard kind of standardizing that the selection process for planning commission numbers. And I think we know we should apply the same strategy to other boards
and committees, especially where they have more maybe a more financial
09:42:32 oversight role like Ltac or the pith board and making sure we get the best candidates into those boards and committees.
09:42:42 Already thinking about some of the folks who I interviewed as potential candidates for other boards and committees, because we can only pick one this time. And in the afternoon
on Wednesday the Jefferson transit finance committee that was
09:42:56 a fairly quick meeting this time, as well as Kate mentioned.
09:43:00 We are. we are on a subcommittee to implement the legislative changes around board of health membership, and we do have a very diverse and great applicants for 2 seats. on the
board of health.
09:43:18 So we'll be interviewing all those folks as Canada said on the 20 first, as our regular as part of our regular board of health agenda still working with my trustland transfer
conservation partners group and i'm
09:43:33 actually gonna help lead a tour in Kitzap of the Eglon Forest, which is one of the proposed long proposed dress land transfer projects.
09:43:44 That has like broad, wide, deep support, and kids up for protection using the trustland transfer mechanism in the next legislative session.
09:43:55 And it is it, in addition to our devils, like property in Jefferson County, is also on the the Tt.
09:44:03 Pilot list, and I see that we are screaming up on 9 45.
09:44:07 I'm going to finish up by saying that I am presenting to the Chamber this week, so I worked on my chamber presentation met with a couple of constituents went to a straight Ern
Lio steering steering group
09:44:21 meeting, and we started working on our legislative package and came up with a timeline for the priorities.
09:44:32 We wanna set, and then attended the Land Trust event last week.
09:44:37 That was their biggest. 270 people. $240,000 were was raised for the land trust at an event a fin river last Thursday evening. that was super and inspiring event to be at and
It was great to see over a 100 people who
09:44:51 haven't seen, and almost 3 years so that was a wonderful event.
09:44:59 And then I mentioned a couple of times that I did that tour on Saturday with Nrg.
09:45:02 So it's 9 45 and it is time for our weekly update with our beloved Dr.
09:45:10 Barry and willie bent if he's with us this week Haven't checked the attendee list, and I always kind of hold my breath a little bit, wondering what Dr.
09:45:21 Barry's gonna tell us I feel like i've been hearing
09:45:25 Covid is still hitting hitting pockets of our county family, and we actually had to close the solid waste transfer station in the last week because of Covid. And so it's affecting
everyone in the community at this
09:45:40 point and so good morning, Dr. Barry we are glad you're with us today.
09:45:48 Again. Nice to be with you. I would say that by and large my Covid news is good this week, so so no need to hold your breath too tightly.
09:45:59 Nationally case rates are largely stable though we are seeing a slow increase in hospital as a national level.
09:46:06 We're not seeing an increase in death. we think most likely that is because Kovat is starting to get into some pockets of the population that have previously been better protected.
09:46:16 So, even though case rates aren't significantly surging nationwide, when we, when we see high risk, people get exposed hospitalizations, can happen, especially in pockets of
the country where vaccination is less common in Washington, State we're seeing
09:46:30 a very similar picture. We're seeing, that case rates by and large are stable, or even slightly down trending at the State level.
09:46:37 But hospitalizations are still slowly creeping up, particularly as COVID-19 starts to spread more on the east side of the mountains.
09:46:46 In Jefferson County we actually have a little bit of good news.
09:46:48 Our case rates are actually going down at the point.
09:46:53 We have diagnosed 4,897 cases of Covid 19, and that puts us at a case rate of 539 per 100,000, with or sorry 562 per 100,000
09:47:03 with a 16% positivity. We have one person currently hospitalized for COVID-19 for a total of 136 hospitalizations and no deaths, no new deaths to report So we've had unfortunately
last 30 of our
09:47:17 citizens to Covid 19, but no new Deaths from Covid 19 in the last week in Cleveland County.
09:47:23 We're actually seeing a very similar picture so we've done 13,984 cases of covid 19.
09:47:30 Our case rates are now at 539 per 100,000 in Cloudlem County, so very close to the Jefferson County rates, with a 17% positivity.
09:47:40 We have no one currently hospitalized in Cleveland County for a total of 409 hospitalizations.
09:47:45 So far, I miss response, and 117 deaths.
09:47:49 So by, and large looking at covid 19 you'll see these kind of variable reports on where we are in this process, and I've certainly seen a lot of kind of kind of breathless reports
about covid
09:48:02 19, and particularly around B A. 4, n 5 but right Now we're not seeing data that really supports a significant concern about Ba 4 and 5.
09:48:12 So Ba. 5 has become the dominant variant nationally in Washington State.
09:48:18 It's not quite yet. It's 40% of our islets are coming back.
09:48:22 Ba. 5, a 5 is a subvariant ofomicron.
09:48:27 It is more transmissible. increased rates of reinfection and breakthrough infection compared to even original omicron.
09:48:34 So it is very possible to get ba 5 even if you've had a recent infection with covid 19 still seeing pretty good protection for about 90 days after a prior infection.
09:48:45 But we do have some reinfections within the after 30 days that we're starting to see now as well.
09:48:53 So the big takeaway there with Ba. 4 and 5 is that prior infection alone?
09:48:58 Not enough to protect you from subsequent infection the best protection comes from being that's needed and boosted and many of us, unfortunately, had breakthrough infections
in recent months, and so you still have very good
09:49:09 protection from that combination of immunity but we're not seeing very good protection from one infection along.
09:49:17 So if you haven't gotten vaccinated yet haven't gotten your booster yet really important to go forward and do so.
09:49:22 One thing that we are not seeing is a significant rise in severity related to Ba.
09:49:27 4 and 5. I have seen some reports. about individual cases where one person might have had more severe symptoms, and then it ends up in the media. and People say, Oh, no, we
have a new variant that's significantly more
09:49:40 severe looking at the data nationwide and worldwide we're not seeing a significant rise in severity related to Ba.
09:49:47 4 and 5 at this point will of course, continue to evaluate that and keep monitoring the variance as they move forward.
09:49:53 But the basic takeaway for Ba. 4 and 5 is, they are more transmissible.
09:49:57 You can definitely get reinfected with them. and in relatively short order, but they're not significantly more severe than any of the subvariance of Omicron.
09:50:07 That we have seen before. So the same things that worked before work now getting back vaccinated and boosted, reduces your risk of severe disease, wearing a high quality mask,
reduces your risk of getting and giving covid 19 and when you do that
09:50:19 in indoor spaces. so the same stuff we've been talking about here for a long time.
09:50:23 Still works. Well, but you can't count on just an infection to keep you immune.
09:50:28 We've been talking about that for a while and you can't count on vaccine alone to keep you from getting Covid.
09:50:36 We're not seeing very good protection against mild disease at this point the the main thing that protects you from contracting and giving.
09:50:44 Covid is wearing a high quality mask. What your vaccine does is dramatically. you reduce.
09:50:50 Reduce your risk of getting severely ill from covid which is really important.
09:50:53 We don't want our citizens getting severely ill we don't want it overwhelm of our hospital system. and thankfully, what we've seen in this most recent wave is that the high
levels of vaccination in
09:51:03 our community really protected us from that kind of search that we've seen in other places.
09:51:07 So it does still matter does still make a big difference but it doesn't make you permanently immune to getting mad disease.
09:51:14 So if you're sick, get tested so that we can find out whether or not it's covid 19, and wear a mask when you're in indoor spaces with other people so with that i'm happy
09:51:23 to take any questions from our Commissioners. I have a couple glad to see good news.
09:51:33 I guess something i'm gonna ask you every week and I got a question about it, too. is that is our tech test ascertainment still high.
09:51:40 Can you kind of do you think are decreasing?
09:51:43 Numbers are because we have to create numbers, or because people are getting fatigued about reporting their tests, their positive tests
09:52:41 So we don't know every case that's out there. But I do think we have better case entertainment rate than most other places, and I guess my other question is just Is it time
to reconsider our our
09:52:47 responses I don't know it seems like a different disease that we're dealing with, and as as Commissioner Eisenhower talked about earlier.
09:52:55 The transfer station is down today because of, you know, too many.
09:52:58 Staff and Covid out, and we missed our first Jefferson transit route on Saturday as well.
09:53:02 I mean we have service impacts right now. and I know the hospital is as tax as they've ever been.
09:53:09 I think so. I feel like staffing is is kind of the most acute place right now, where Covid is hitting us and and wondering.
09:53:17 Is there a for us you know I this is as people are so fatigued by wearing masks that it's it's hard to get people to wear masks for 10 days after their positive test you know
so I guess I
09:53:29 don't wanna put sick people infectious people back in the workforce. But we're really having impacts that we like we haven't had before.
09:53:38 Yeah, I think we are definitely still having significant workforce impacts.
09:53:42 It's varied who's getting hit by it so, I would say, it's not necessarily new workforce impacts from our end, but different different groups get hit at different times.
09:53:51 I do think it is appropriate to adjust our response, and I think we are adjusting from where we were at used to be.
09:53:58 You know, if you were exposed, everyone that was anywhere near that person was out for 14 days.
09:54:03 We're not in that place anymore. if you're vaccinated and boosted.
09:54:06 You can come back to work right away. We do we do ask you to wear a mask after an exposure in particular.
09:54:12 I think that's an important thing we'll talk some more about masks later in this call, cause we got it Kptz question about them. but I think the one of the biggest shifts that
I think is appropriate is
09:54:23 transitioning away from quarantine for people who are up to date on their vaccinations.
09:54:29 And then, when we see critical workforce shortages to even letting other folks come back, but to have them have to mask.
09:54:38 Because I do think that we have enough evidence that the masks really do reduce transmission to other people.
09:54:42 So it's okay to let someone come back who's been exposed doesn't have covid while wearing a mask.
09:54:49 I also think it's reasonable to let someone come back after day 5, while wearing a mask, if they're well enough to work Some folks are still getting severe enough disease, that
they're not well enough after day 5 and so I
09:55:01 always want to remind employers about that. because we get those calls sometimes that that we that he can come back at day 5. but he says he still can't breathe. Well, Then
he can't come back and take time he's too, sick to work the
09:55:13 job that a little bit doctor, I mean so after day 6 i'm.
09:55:19 Feeling fine I have no symptoms. but i'm still testing positive can I come back to work So in a you know, ideally, if there's enough workforce, we prefer people stay up till
day 10 after day 5 but in critical
09:55:33 workforce shortages. We have let people come back at day 6 and so for something like, if we can't have the transfer station functioning, we'll let people come back later in
their infection, but they do have to have
09:55:43 stringent masking, and we can work with them on other ways to make sure that they aren't spreading the virus to other people. So can we put them in less people facing positions
click with them in outside positions We work
09:55:55 a lot with companies on making sure that dining facilities are separate for those who are positive, so they don't then give it to the rest of the workforce.
09:56:02 We just keep the transfer station shut down so there's a lot that we can do to help get people back.
09:56:06 But I think the biggest is that we don't quarantine as much, if you're positive it's okay to come back after day 5.
09:56:13 But wear a mask that's them that's the ideal. you know we've talked about public sector companies, but I'm sure there's private sector companies too, that are going through
this and if they they are
09:56:27 struggling with workforce issues. Is it okay? to reach out to the nurse, I mean, How How do they help get get kind of the technical assistance to make sure they're doing the
safest thing for their for their staff while still keeping
09:56:38 their business going society functioning. We want people able to access services and So that's that's a place where we definitely can still offer support.
09:57:28 Please give us a call. You have that happen? Great. Thank you. and I wanna do one quick acknowledgement that I think Jefferson counties.
09:57:37 Jefferson Hospital is being affected a lot by positive staff.
09:57:43 But also by what's going on in neighboring Clown County with Olympic medical center, and that's that's adding a lot of stress on their system right now.
09:57:52 Yes, Commissioner, do you yeah i'm curious can you give us an update on an anticipated amicron.
09:57:58 Directed the vaccination that they printed out for this small potentially.
09:58:03 So there is the Fda is looking at an updated vaccine kind of basically booster.
09:58:11 That would come for this fall with omicron sub variants in it.
09:58:16 At least parts of the spike protein related to the omocratic sovariant.
09:58:20 They would not have actual omicron in It and It does look likely that that's gonna come forward this fall.
09:58:26 Probably not until around September or October.
09:58:29 So just around the time that most of us would get vaccinated for the flu.
09:58:33 I think that is likely that we'll see kind of a fall vaccination recommendation.
09:58:39 But not entirely clear yet. still a lot of data to come out on those on both.
09:58:43 Whether or not we need them, and just some more details on the process there.
09:58:47 But I i'd say you know we we all now plan on getting our flu vaccine in the fall, and I suspect that we'll move towards getting a covid vaccine in the fall too.
09:58:56 But still remains to be seen. I just always look at the meter.
09:59:04 The little meter on the County Web third counting public health website So we're still a high and we said not long ago that as long as we were in the high category, we weren't
going to go back to in person
09:59:17 commissioner meetings and i'm just wondering when, when that directive changes, or when we might want to rethink that directive based on everything that we know now about what's
happening now with the virus, I mean do we
09:59:32 still want to hold that directive and say we're you know if we go down into moderate.
09:59:38 Then we think about having in person meetings again i'm still the as the Commissioner, who is only been a commissioner during Covid.
09:59:46 I only campaigned during Covid i've only served as a commissioner through the pandemic, and this weekend I I spent some time with a lot of my former colleagues at the maritime
09:59:56 center. I was helping with the wedding there, and they were like, How are you?
10:00:02 I mean you know they're they're God smacked they've only been a commissioner during covid how bizarre and I don't I don't think of it as bizarre because it's normal for me
10:00:10 But I'm starting to kind of Push back on myself? and say when do we get to be together again?
10:00:16 I wanna be. I wanna sit next to Kate and Greg.
10:00:19 I wanna see people coming into the chambers i'm i'm fine with hybrid.
10:00:23 But how do we? How do we think or rethink or shake that Just sketch on where we're at now?
10:00:30 I think there are ways to do it. Well, so if there's interest in having in person meetings.
10:00:36 I think the most important is that for staff to wear high quality mask in those meetings.
10:00:43 Because especially if we have large numbers of the public coming in there, there's a significant risk of exposure to Covid 19.
10:00:50 But if there's interest in moving back to in-person meetings, I think that can be done well.
10:00:55 And there are the the biggest the biggest stuff there is mask wearing increase in ventilation.
10:01:00 If we want to get creative and we can move outside i'm sure there's some it challenges related to that but anything that we can do to increase ventilation in those spaces can
certainly reduce any risk as Well, so that we
10:01:12 can come back together in In-person Meetings I think that's important.
10:01:17 And I know, Jefferson County in person meetings have been particularly affected by just the type of meeting space that we normally meet in.
10:01:24 That's very very cramped so if there's and I know there's work being done right now to look at kind of more open spaces where we could get more people in with still some spacing
and masks
10:01:34 recommended in those spaces as well I Love the idea of outside, and that's a good idea, Dr.
10:01:39 Barry. it's nice weather it's a good time if if it's possible I would love an outdoor meeting. Thank you.
10:01:46 I just have been feeling a little. hi zennered on it So I'm gonna bring it up every week until someone says, let's just do it.
10:01:56 This is how we have to do it, and I know this group is very well vaccinated. so we, you know the likelihood that any of us is going to get severe disease is low. in in county
meetings.
10:02:05 The only other thing you want to think about is that you don't want an outbreak that would take out the group at once. And so that's why masking is so critical in those spaces.
10:02:15 So that we don't have multiple people contract covid simultaneously.
10:02:17 Who we need to be able to work. Umhm. Thank you.
10:02:24 Well, i'm happy to take into the kptz questions if if it sounds good. So one person asked, they said, for someone who has tested negative, but has a positive household number
what are best practices and so we talked
10:02:40 about a little bit before. If you are vaccinated and boosted. If you're all up to date on your vaccines, you don't have to quarantine at home, anymore.
10:02:48 Even if you have a positive powerhold number, you can go to work.
10:02:51 You can go to stores. Best practice is to wear a mask during all those interactions, because it's not.
10:02:57 It is very possible to get a breakthrough or a reinfection from a household member.
10:03:01 That's your highest risk contact and so do wear a mask when you're going into those settings, and I would also add to re a recommendation to avoid high risk settings.
10:03:11 So if you know your if your husband or wife has Covid, I would not recommend.
10:03:16 Then walking into a long-term care facility to visit family members until you know, for sure that you're negative.
10:03:22 So until you're at least 5 days out you're testing negative, adding a negative test.
10:03:27 So doing a swab before you go into any high risk space. If you're gonna need to go into one of those spaces.
10:03:32 Is a good safety mechanism, so say you work in a high-risk space. You work in a long-term care, facility.
10:03:38 You work in a jail and a household member of yours is positive, I think, adding an antigen test on your way into those spaces is a good way to just make sure that you're not
bringing Covid in in addition to
10:03:48 wearing a mask. Oh, that's really the the biggest thing that you need to do as a household member, and then, as soon, if you develop symptoms as soon as you do a test, if your
symptoms persist for more than 20
10:03:59 4Â h test again, because we know that you can test negative in the beginning of your infection.
10:04:05 This person also asked that if they're if their household member is not separating from them.
10:04:11 If they're not masking they're gonna be sharing in the same space.
10:04:14 Does that change anything? And I would say, that does increase your risk of contracting Covid 19.
10:04:19 And so all the more reason to mask test if you're going into any high risk spaces. But that's really all we would ask as a household member in those spaces.
10:04:29 If you are not up to date on your vaccinations, there is still a recommendation to quarantine.
10:04:32 But as we talked about, there can be critical work for our shortages.
10:04:36 And so the most important thing really is to mask when you're leaving the house to test if you have any symptoms at all, and test before you enter any high risk spaces and that's
one way that we can kind of
10:04:46 keep society moving while protecting the people around us Well, the next question is from a person who had an adverse reaction to their moderna vaccine. so they had a sore arm
at a rash and they're wondering whether or
10:05:01 not Nova backs is likely to be approved and be an option for them.
10:05:07 And so Nova backs, is an upcoming vaccine for Covid 19 that uses kind of older technology.
10:05:13 So a lot of the other vaccines that came forward faster.
10:05:16 Were using kind of newer technology things like Mrna.
10:05:20 No webex uses the old school, which is a little bit of protein from the virus that they inject directly into you, and an edge event which is something to kind of stimulate your
immune system.
10:05:30 It does appear to be working quite well. it hasn't gotten full ea approval yet, but it is likely to
10:05:37 So when that does happen, if that does happen, we are likely to carry it here.
10:05:42 And it could be a good option for people who either were reticent to get an Mrna Vaccine, or who had a reaction to an Mrna Vaccine.
10:05:50 If you did have a severe reaction to an Mrna Vaccine, something more akin to anaphylaxis.
10:05:55 Definitely talk to your doctor before you move forward with any Covid 19 vaccines, because we want to make sure that this one is different enough to not cause problems.
10:06:03 But I know that there are folks who have had some reaction that wasn't quite a truly severe anaphylactic level reaction.
10:06:12 But who are reticent to get an Mrna again, and I do think no of X.
10:06:17 Could be a good match for those folks. always, if you have any questions about your specific medical needs, talk to your own doctor, but I do think this could be a good match.
10:06:25 I know we have a nurse in cleveland county who's been desperately wanting to complete her series, and she's just been waiting for Nova X.
10:06:31 To get authorized to do so. so I think it it could be a good option, and if it does get approved we'll make sure we have some here.
10:06:40 This next person said, asked if we were seeing V. A.
10:06:43 4 and 5 or Ba. 5 in our local cases, and is that responsible for local searches?
10:06:48 And so I would say right now we don't technically have a local surge going on.
10:06:53 But in much of the rest of the country we do.
10:06:56 We have seen Ba. 4, and ba 5 in our region it's the Ba.
10:07:01 5 is becoming the dominant variant in Washington State, and it will become the dominant variant here, I do think, actually looking at our sequencing out of Clown County in particular
we got Ba.
10:07:13 5 a little earlier than much of the rest of the State, and that likely did drive some of our recent surge that is now thankfully starting to come down in our region.
10:07:24 This next question is asking about proof of vaccination requirements or vaccination requirements for workers, particularly transit workers, and whether or not those mandates
make sense, or whether or not they need to be maintained I would say those decisions
10:07:40 are always up to our our up to individual employers at this point and there's pros and cons to proof of vaccination requirements for vaccine mandates for workers. I think in
the healthcare setting a
10:07:52 vaccine requirement is very appropriate. is.
10:07:58 It is normal for all of us when we see a healthcare provider to assume that that healthcare provider has done everything they can to make sure that we don't leave that room
sicker and so it's very normal i'm a
10:08:07 healthcare worker i'm required to be backinated against a whole pile of things.
10:08:12 I'm required to prove that I don't have tb There's a lot of things I have to do to in order to be considered safe to take care of vulnerable people in a medical setting and
so I do support
10:08:22 vaccination requirements in the healthcare setting. I think at this point vaccination requirements for other industries are a little bit more of a mixed bag.
10:08:33 Certainly the Covid 19 vaccine does a great job of preventing severe disease, and it does reduce your likelihood of transmitting Covid 19 to others, but not as much as it did
before. back when we
10:08:44 were in Delta, and if you were vaccinated you couldn't get Covid and you couldn't give it to other people.
10:08:49 I think a vaccination requirement made a lot. more sense but now we're in a different phase where the vaccines reduce your risk of getting covid. but they certainly don't 100%.
10:08:59 Prevent it. And so your vaccination is much more doing work for you. it's preventing you from getting severe disease, and so I think some of the some of the data to support
mandating it for workers is starting to fall away.
10:09:15 Because of the way the variants have changed and because of the amount of breakthrough infection.
10:09:18 We're seeing it's Still, a really good idea but it's mostly the the biggest thing it's doing is preventing you from getting spear disease at this point.
10:09:31 Couple other questions. this person asked Which of the Omocrone sub variants are here in Jefferson County right now.
10:09:41 We are seeing, be primarily b a 5 and be a 2.1, 2.
10:09:46 So we still have kind of one of the older variants circulating out here.
10:09:48 Eventually it will be vast majority ba 5 it's more transmissible, more reinfections.
10:09:55 But not so far more so severe. This person, as as the sub variants keep coming.
10:10:01 Is it less likely that a rapid test will pick up ba 4 and 5, and it's not the antigen test.
10:10:08 Keep working really well to detect viruses, they can be negative early infection, especially for folks who are vaccinated, because, as we talked about in detail on a prior call,
you're in the first symptoms, you're feeling are actually your
10:10:22 immune system. So you don't have a very high viral load to spread the other people.
10:10:26 So if you're testing negative on an action test early in infection, you are unlikely to infect other people, so I don't want folks to worry, but it does mean that we want you
to keep testing So If you are if you're
10:10:39 sick and you test it negative. you're still sick again tomorrow test again, because what you might be feeling is your body kicking into action to fight that virus, and then
you could still turn positive later, and then become able to infect others so do Keep
10:10:51 testing. But the engine tests are still working well against these current variants.
10:10:56 This next person was asking kind of a little bit of a throwback for data around Mask wearing
10:11:04 So happy to dig into that. There have been literally hundreds of high quality studies looking at the efficacy of mask wearing.
10:11:12 But this person actually asked for 3 to to list off 3 studies that they could look up, and we'll make sure that we share this in social media.
10:11:20 So people can actually see the links on the mask wearing data.
10:11:25 There's a couple of different things that masks do so one is source control preventing you from transmitting covid to other people.
10:11:32 So there was an early paper by Young at all L.
10:11:38 E. N. G. in April of 2,020 that was looking at actually just surgical masks for source control.
10:11:43 And they looked at people who had Coronavirus infections. and then, whether or not you were able to culture virus after they coughed or sneeze on on a surface that they coughed
on, and what we found was that
10:11:55 there was actually 100% reduction in transmitting Covid or in transmitting coronaviruses.
10:12:02 In this case for those who were surgical mass so That's one that you can look up and kind of dig into that.
10:12:07 That's just kind of breaking down viral transfer There's another one by Nelson at all that was in September of 2,021 that looked at what's called secondary attack rates for
folks
10:12:18 who were masked or unmasked. and so secondary attack rates means the likelihood that someone else in your close proximity got covid when you were positive.
10:12:28 And so they saw for people who were masked the secondary attack.
10:12:33 Rape in that particular round went from 11% down to 1%.
10:12:37 So significant reduction in secondary attack rates not 0, but quite a bit lower for folks who were masked.
10:12:43 Another. really good one was Andreaco at all, and that one actually came out in February of 2022 that looked at likelihood of contracting Kovat 19, so protecting yourself based
on mask
10:12:53 wearing behaviors, and they found that for those, and this is for the general public, not for medical folks, but for those in the general public who consistently wore can 95
or higher.
10:13:04 There was an 85% reduction in contracting Kovat 19 When they did that in any indoor public spaces there was a a 66% reduction for those who were surgical masks, regularly and
still a
10:13:17 56% reduction for those who were cloth masks, which is not something we really thought.
10:13:22 Talk about that much anymore, because we have better masks available, But they actually do still provide a lot of protection.
10:13:27 There's a really good data brief from the cdc that kind of lists.
10:13:33 A bunch of these studies in a row, and we can link that to our social media.
10:13:36 So you kind of click through and dig into the studies. long story short masks work really. Well, we have an overwhelming amount of data that they prevent transmission of Covid
19 to others, and they protect you from covid 19 So this is
10:13:50 really established scientific fact at this point but if you're wondering, wanting to dig into the research to make sure we'll link a science brief to our our website.
10:14:00 And our Facebook, So you can dig around and read those studies yourself.
10:14:05 This last one was an interesting one, I had to dig into some data on this, but apparently it is a a study that's making some of the misinformation rounds, so I wanted to dig
into it a little bit this person asks for me to comment
10:14:19 on a particular paper. that's being shared a lot particularly in kind of anti vaccine circles.
10:14:26 That what showed that Covid 19 vaccination in this paper temporarily impaired seaman concentration in people who were were donating sperm and sperm donors.
10:14:38 So I down a little bit into this one. So this was a paper by an Israeli doctor, a relatively small paper. looking at about 30 sperm donors, and what they found was that in the
first weeks after vaccination they saw a 2020%
10:14:53 reduction in sperm count in these donors they also saw and demonstrated in the paper that that completely rebounded to a normal sperm count afterward, and that this is consistent
with actually what a little known fact which
10:15:07 is that after any february illness, you see a small reduction in sperm, count, it's a very normal thing that happens to anyone who has a fever, that's just not something most
of us have probably spent a lot
10:15:17 of time talking about. but we do see normally about a 20% reduction in sperm count after any February illness.
10:15:25 So after having a cold after having the flu, or if you had a fever from a vaccine, this is a normal human process.
10:15:31 After we have fevers. and then it does rebound entirely.
10:15:36 Of course this is now getting shared, and kind of vaccine misinformation circles as proof that the covid vaccine causes infertility, and it's very interesting to read this port
is really doctor.
10:15:46 Is trying very hard to actually let people know that that's not what he study said, And so it it's a it's a challenge when you put data out in the world people use it for what
they want But I know the key
10:15:56 data to know there is that so small sperm count reductions are normal.
10:16:02 After febral illnesses, and then they resolve, and in the case they also demonstrated that it resolved.
10:16:08 Now this was a small study. It was only 30 people, and so, if this is something, folks are wanted to study more.
10:16:14 They could certainly look at larger numbers for a study. like this but I also think it's important to acknowledge as a family doc with an interest in family planning. a 20%
reduction in sperm count Still, means that you have
10:16:26 about 80 million highly functional sperm so plus don't think that after you've had a cold or a fever or a covid vaccine that you can't get someone pregnant because you can't
so
10:16:36 please do still use protection if you're not interesting in stimulating and pregnancy. So with that I'm happy to answer any other questions always interesting to see the questions
we get on kptz and thank you for the
10:16:51 encouragement to dig into some interesting research. Can I just make one comment?
10:16:57 I see a few people raise their hand and we don't know like, take questions during this period, but you can submit questions to Kptz by emailing them to.
10:17:05 I forget the email address. But yes, please do I think this is a really important forum to kind of dig into those things, especially if you're hearing about studies that are
getting circulated.
10:17:16 That make you nervous, and we can day into the quality of those studies and exactly what the breakdown looks like for that data
10:17:27 I'm looking for that email i'm not not finding it readily.
10:17:32 Thank you, Dr. Barry. Always a interesting mix of questions that you get, and you do a great job jumping from focus to focus.
10:17:42 So we really appreciate your amber dexteria nature on this stuff.
10:17:49 So I saw that Willie joined us and I don't know if he said he didn't have any specific updates for us today.
10:17:57 But Does anyone have any questions they wanna ask Willie this morning?
10:18:04 The only thing I I will jump in and say is that next week, at one Pm.
10:18:11 I will be having a workshop with the board on some of the preliminary findings of our after action.
10:18:16 Review of the Eoc's covid response so no Major Update from me this week.
10:18:21 But you're looking forward to that next week i'm running you through through some of the conversations with our partner, some conversations internally, internally, some of the
things we found to improve for the next major pandemic and major
10:18:34 disaster response. So but otherwise nothing from me.
10:18:38 I have a question for willie. we're the beard go I was half expecting that it's summertime got a light in the load a little bit.
10:18:48 So what was that? is that 2 years of growth?
10:18:53 Just about just about. I have a challenge for you, Willie, in that line.
10:18:58 I would love to see you in a holy heat into the mutton chops.
10:19:07 Okay, I think it's the perfect opportunity and I I think you're you're the man I know that could pull it off.
10:19:12 Okay, we'll see what I can do just for you I did have one announcement that I forgot to make during mine, too, which is that we have a national blunt, shortage. That's still
going on right now and in
10:19:23 Jefferson County. we usually actually fill. all of our blood drives but we have one going on right now at the port towns and elps that is not filling.
10:19:31 And so if you're an eligible blood donor you would really encourage you to come out, it's actually today and tomorrow, and on the eighteenth and nineteenth you can go ahead
and sign up and will put some links
10:19:43 on our Facebook or how to sign up for an appointment. we really encourage blood donation.
10:19:48 We do need a continuous supply. and unfortunately, summer well it's a really beautiful time is actually what we think of in my business as trauma season.
10:19:57 And so it's really important that we have a stable blood supply.
10:20:00 So if you're an eligible donor please do go out and donate.
10:20:04 You can donate after Kovat 19 infection as long as you are fully recovered.
10:20:09 Before you come for donation. And I did find the email to send Dr.
10:20:15 Barry a questions. it's contact us all one more at Kptz dot org.
10:20:23 So if you have a question for Dr. Barry send an email to contact us at Kptz Dot Org and next Monday she will answer your question.
10:20:35 You'll have a moment in the in the limelight but we won't name you for Willie.
10:20:46 You're also welcome there. Thank you anything else this morning.
10:20:55 Otherwise we are gonna give it's funny at this this Bob Marley thing I've been saying for the last few months.
10:21:03 Here. has flown or it's it's overflown into my crab camp, and they got a Bluetooth speaker on on our little skiff.
10:21:16 And now we listen to Bob Marley while we're pulling crab pots, so I can stop talking about Bob Marley here.
10:21:20 But we'll give 10Â min back to the airwaves of Kptz for music in the community.
10:21:27 And thank you guys for being here this week. and we'll see you next week.
10:21:31 Thank you you guys
10:21:38 So we have 9Â min until we're joined by our Dnr.
10:21:43 Colleagues for the quarterly update we've all looked back in our calendar.
10:21:50 So we want to do some looking forward no I didn't need a quick bio break at some point. Just okay Well, we could take a breakdown.
10:22:02 Come back at 1029 for our dnr update, and do calendaring later.
10:30:29 I'm bringing them over i've started av capture
10:30:43 It's not it's not quite 1030 so we will wait a few seconds, and then get started with our quarterly report with our colleagues at Dnr.
10:30:59 Good morning, drew
10:31:07 Morning Mona
10:31:13 Still 1029
10:31:33 Is it sunny where you guys are, too? Looks like it.
10:31:36 Yup Sunshine is finally out y yeah okay so it's 1030, and we will reconvene the meeting of the Jefferson County Board of Commissioners and start off with a first quarter update
from our colleagues at
10:31:55 Dnr through. and Mona. thanks for being here, you guys!
10:32:02 Oh, you're welcome, and I just had a couple of comments to start off with.
10:32:07 I was able to get a copy of the latter that Commissioner Eisenhower wrote to the Board of Natural Resources, and I just wanted to say thank you for being supportive of moving
the Beaver Valley and Penny wise
10:32:23 timber sales forward. We appreciate that, and also wanted to let you know that unit one was removed based on comments by the region. That was a region decision.
10:32:38 So anyway, we support that. Okay, Okay, thank you. All up.
10:32:45 Drew carry on with the financials. Okay, end of first quarter.
10:32:54 We're 2 thirds of the way through second quarter now, but end of first quarter.
10:33:00 We were at 306,008, 36, which is the final payments on penny, alderwood, and skitter access.
10:33:10 So those sales are now complete and closed out. active.
10:33:15 We still have Mount Jupiter Center, 21, thinning Taylor downhill sorts, and we just sold Bolton Rehab.
10:33:25 So. I see in second quarter that Mount Jupiter got a payment.
10:33:29 Do you have a Oh, you're 2.4 4% of that sales here in.
10:33:34 Come on. that will be pretty small, But I did see a $1,500 payment come through. so that sale a lot of hard road work on that one. they had.
10:33:44 That's what they spent last year. and and in the fall and or late part of spring doing a is getting the roads built, and it's finally starting to go active center 21 thinning
They're building roads Now
10:33:59 if you recall the the last thing we did once they get active.
10:34:05 They they're they don't contribute a lot but they're steady.
10:34:08 This one has a 3 year contract on it, and so once we get hauling and delivering wood.
10:34:15 You'll see probably 20 to 30,000 a month. coming in pretty steady over the next couple of years.
10:34:23 Taylor downhill sorts if you recall You'll you get the payment once the sales been through final audit.
10:34:32 And then we'll we'll sometimes they'll this is a pretty big contract.
10:34:39 Just short at 2 million so they'll probably do a partial disimbursement sometime this fall or winter no guarantees on when that'll happen.
10:34:49 But it should, and that's sale is more than half failed, and they're moving through units pretty fast right now back of our logging is doing that one of their very motivated
companies so moving a lot of wood
10:35:08 Bolton Rehab just sold and that was in our June sale packet.
10:35:14 It's a small sale, but it's a 100% county
10:35:18 It does have a year contract on it, but I depending on the market I'm.
10:35:24 Guessing they'll get going pretty fast on that one so hopefully I predicted. It'll go into next year for delivery of money, but hopefully they'll get started.
10:35:35 Maybe we'll get a little extract. of that one So my prediction was still to end the and calendar 22 at the 306,000.
10:35:50 And then you'll have which you still have 3.2 million under contract.
10:35:54 So hopefully. some of that will come in and and be a little bit of a boost.
10:36:00 But no guarantees of them now and then.
10:36:07 Future sales. and I is penny and beaver.
10:36:13 And again I well, but I don't see a lot of action coming for those this summer.
10:36:20 It's hard to tell. you know markets change and and purchasers change their minds, but I I went ahead and put all that under 23.
10:36:32 I think you'll see most of that come in and 23, so actually under contract.
10:36:35 Once they're sold you'll have about 5 million dollars So that's where we stand, and then the other say, well center 21 will just It's just going to be slow and steady the other
sales Jupiter
10:36:52 Taylor and Bolton You'll see all that come in in 23, and hopefully you see a little bit of Beaver Valley and Penny Wise come in and twice 3 was probably a few 1 million spilling
over
10:37:04 into into. So calendar, 24 markets are starting to budge a little bit.
10:37:13 They're starting to slip which isn't abnormal for this time of year. but it's a little distressing. given you know that we're starting to see interest rates go up and that that
sort of
10:37:24 thing. so it is starting to slip. I had a lot of competition, a lot of really good prices in May and our June sales.
10:37:35 We had one nobid they on a sale in the one of the type. 3 study sales in the clear water.
10:37:41 Didn't sell and feedback suggested that was because we had an appraise too high, and then not a lot of competition on the other sales.
10:37:53 Bolton. I expected to get 2 or 3 bids on and see some competition, just because where it's located in the in the region, and I got one bid, and it was just slightly over.
10:38:08 Minimum. So kind of disappointing returns for June, so anxious to see what happens in July and August.
10:38:18 If we start to come back Interfour got quite a bit of wood.
10:38:22 We knew that they were hungry and needed some volume but they picked up most of our sales in June, so they're in in good shape again.
10:38:32 But there's others out there so hopefully we'll we'll end up seeing a little bit more competition drive prices a little bit.
10:38:41 Questions. I was staffing, going in the region, I I the last B.
10:38:47 In our meeting I attended, which was, I think, May June.
10:38:52 There was a report that a lot of their regions Were having trouble with capacity.
10:38:58 How's it going in olympic it's picked up a little bit.
10:39:03 We We managed to fill our 2 equipment operator positions, so my heavy equipment crew is now fully staffed.
10:39:12 Silver culture has been down one position for over a year, and some of that was budget.
10:39:20 But but the over the last year it was pretty much just getting somebody to come in interviewed once.
10:39:28 Didn't get any candidates. they were interested in just interviewed again, and made a higher.
10:39:32 So we got somebody on the road I mean here in main that's gonna start next Monday.
10:39:40 So silver cultures full. engineering is full. We struggled for almost a year to find an engineer.
10:39:54 8, 3, and we found somebody 2, interviews to fill that one so that one's full.
10:39:57 So my struggle is still product Sales we we were fully staffed in straits for a little while, and one of the natural resource specialist who's in in port towns, and resigned
and moved to Oregon so
10:40:15 we got that one to fill. and then we got word last week that one of the engineers in Los Angeles is really designing and moving back to Tennessee.
10:40:26 So. they just had a baby girl about 4 months ago, and I think they is their first child, and think they felt the need to have a little more family support.
10:40:37 So they're heading back. to tennessee so so that leaves me 2 vacancies that we're working on and then in coast.
10:40:45 I've still got 4 or 5 depending on how you look at it.
10:40:51 We're really struggling to find specialist. threes and That's a supervisory position, and we've been trying for over 6 months, and still have nothing, you know we have one or
2 people that apply and none of them
10:41:05 qualify. We did have one qualify and when we asked him to interview they backed out and didn't come in.
10:41:12 So what's happened in the meantime you have to have 3 years experience, and one of my ands twos I have a real low experience level in that district.
10:41:25 Lot of turnover, but one of them crossed that 3 year marks.
10:41:29 So we've got him doing. an interim role just to let him get some experience, hoping that he's gonna like what he's doing and be successful.
10:41:39 And then by he's, doing that from august first till November hopefully, after November, we'll be able to make him permanent, and that gives me at least one of my leadership
positions filled
10:41:50 and then they're interviewing I think tomorrow for ns twos again.
10:41:55 They have I think 5 candidates to interview so hopefully out of that will get one or 2 positions, but it's still a struggle.
10:42:06 Really tough to find qualified people and especially at those leadership levels.
10:42:11 It's you know there's usually we pull from internal candidates to fill the supervisory roles, and we're just not getting that.
10:42:19 And I I was kind of the first one to raise my hand and say, man, we're struggling we're we're really in a bad way.
10:42:29 And Now it's every time all of the people at my level. meet everybody, even the divisions are struggling everybody's vacancies, and turn over.
10:42:41 And then we're hiring a lot of people in in the on the Rpns side.
10:42:47 The resource protection side for the 1168 bill and I'm.
10:42:51 Not losing people to that program, but other other regions are.
10:42:56 And so people are kind of switching roles a little bit and that's that's been a struggle, too.
10:43:02 So hopefully. i'm asking i'm seeing that I got some really experienced guys that that promoted from coast district in the streets, and they're very motivated young guys and
and got 1 one new
10:43:20 Nrs 2, but she's learning really quickly doing a great job, and they're moving through timber sales and an unbelievable rate.
10:43:28 And so They're gonna go over to coast and help out with some clown county would catch me up over there. and then the other regions.
10:43:36 I've got I've reached out for help just saying, you know I I really need some help here, and Northwest region has helped in East Jefferson County.
10:43:45 They help get Jupiter up and roll with it, and Bolton for me.
10:43:51 So they did almost 10 million feet. But now cell pages sound and northwest are in the same boat.
10:43:58 I am they're struggling bad you know and with a lot of issues and pacific cascade reached out and said, Maybe in the spring he's he's had what do you tell me 29 positions roll
over
10:44:13 in product sales or in state lands. Yeah, with multiple fills on those 2,090 cities made over 80 hires.
10:44:22 The last year, so but he did say he thought he would be able to spend some help in the fall if they they get their work wrapped up.
10:44:31 So i'm hopeful that at least I can get some of my catch up done Still going to be behind in the Clearwater block.
10:44:40 That's you know we're struggling to get well, i'm not really struggling.
10:44:45 We we struggle to get going on the t 3 study would but The district's moving through it Now we've got 10 sales, and I think 6 of those are complete.
10:44:55 So they're moving through. that wood really quick and that's that's kind of our big push for coast district right now is to get that most of that's common school, but it does
bring in excise tax to the county.
10:45:10 So we're we're moving through those get those down and then we can focus back on Clown County wooden bit it's.
10:45:19 I'm i'm more positive than I was 2 or 3 weeks ago.
10:45:22 So good day. good to hear. well I only have I have one more question.
10:45:27 I've been getting a ton of questions and comments about units.
10:45:33 7 of penny wise can you talk at all about that I mean I've from from fairly reputably as reputable sources.
10:45:39 They feel like that's an old older unit and i'm just curious what you're taking on that is Drew.
10:45:46 So it meets all of our policy and procedures.
10:45:50 It is without looking it up I couldn't tell you the age class.
10:45:54 But it's right out by I think early 19 hundreds we did in the layout.
10:46:03 We did find a 1212, and a half acre old growth patch, and our biologists went out and looked at that.
10:46:11 She's our old girl specialist for the region. another loss we had this year was great.
10:46:18 Wolf who was our was our old growth designate but so she's picked up where he left off and found it to be old growth.
10:46:24 We tagged that out she's looked at the rest of it said it's it's maturation one, and and that's where we were at it's it's post 1,900 any any larger bigger trees were
10:46:42 marked out or being left behind. my unit forcester down there, and his staff are really good at ferretting out those bigger, you know.
10:46:51 Older wolfier trees and getting paint on them so those will be left behind, and i'd have to go back and look at.
10:46:59 See we leave e at trees per acre but but if they're finding a lot of bigger trees.
10:47:07 They they can leave whatever they want. You know. if they need to exceed the a trees.
10:47:12 They can do it. So mark's really good at that he's pretty thorough fact. i'd say extremely thorough, and they're getting those left behind for our standing trees could you remind
me what maturation one is
10:47:26 it just i'm not real. up on it that it just it has to do with the crown canopy, you know whether it's up or down, and then how they tie together you know whether it's a close
10:47:39 canopy and open canopy and then looking at what's left underneath.
10:47:44 For you know, in growth into that canopy. Okay, Thanks, Kater.
10:47:50 Greg. Sorry I had the question time. but do you have any questions?
10:47:56 I do and sorry if this is something you guys had explained to me before.
10:48:01 But i'm the the first page of your quarterly income report
10:48:07 Can you just describe the difference between all revenue distributed and all revenue accrued?
10:48:14 I'm guessing that's because the revenue distributed this year was from previous years work is that right?
10:48:20 And then a crude is from this year's work I'm.
10:48:23 Curious why the discrepancy yeah that's that pretty much sums it up.
10:48:28 And then also, all revenue means revenue from all sources, not just timber.
10:48:36 So that can be rights of way. special force products, communication sites.
10:48:42 Stacy. it reached out. We got payment. I think it was last week.
10:48:47 It was when the payment came in for for Mount Jupiter.
10:48:53 There was another payment for Oh, I think another $1,500, and that was a code 50, which is, I think, a road use.
10:49:02 Permit. So when we issue easements, a road use permits, or anything like that road use permits are usually fairly low value depending.
10:49:13 You know they somebody wants to use just a small portion of a road, and and the payment on that's based on how much timber and rock volume they're hauling on it.
10:49:23 And that. But you guys will get if it's common or come school if it's county land, then you guys get a piece of that, and you don't.
10:49:33 Your your other income is. pretty low it's usually around between 10 and 15,000 for the year. so she she wasn't quite sure what a 50 code was.
10:49:45 So it reached out, and we got her that information. So now all revenue includes everything timber and and the other sources.
10:49:55 So okay, and then on the final page, the revenue projections for 2022 the Beaver Valley and penny wise at the bottom.
10:50:11 There the projections. So those projections from first quarter are delayed.
10:50:19 Did you say you would, you would push those all the way out to 23?
10:50:23 Yeah given when they're selling I don't see them Well, they gotta build roads first, so if anything probably all we'd see is road building this summer and and then see the harvest.
10:50:40 Thinking about beaver. It could it could possibly harvest in the winter.
10:50:45 I don't remember the restrictions on it but it's in a good place.
10:50:50 So they might start earlier. but my guess is they'll hit it hard next summer, late spring early summer, and it just it, you know it's it's hard. That would be my best prediction.
10:51:03 But given markets and everything it's hard to hard to tell Okay, so that those projections just haven't been updated yet. they still show her first quarter this year.
10:51:14 Yeah, there's not there's not gonna be anything this year from those 2, cause they won't even sell till third quarter.
10:51:22 Okay, so might be good to move that out of the first quarter, and especially the wire to county.
10:51:27 I think that's a little confusing yeah okay, thanks any questions Great?
10:51:35 Oh, sure, thank you, Drew. Thank you Mona for for being here, and for your your patience with us, as we as we work through some value issues on our side, and I guess i'll I
would love in in our next or second or third
10:51:49 quarter update to talk I don't know if you could bring your silver cultures with you, and to talk about kind of management plans as well.
10:51:56 I think we're interested on both sides I don't know if it's an appropriate in this kind of context to talk about that.
10:52:01 But love to understand a little deeper dnr's plans, you know, specifically about maybe some of these ones that we've had pushback like, you know, penny wise and and beaver Valley
and what sort of plan are
10:52:14 you guys looking for going forward to so just a deeper understanding of Dnr's management, and I really understand appreciate what I've learned about the policies and prescriptions
that Dnr Puts on it and and
10:52:27 the way that you move through it, and I guess my one question for today, an issue.
10:52:32 We hear a lot about, and I I've talked to Drew when we were walking unit 7 at penny wise about this a little bit, but just for the the public he talked a little bit about how
some of these older.
10:52:43 Forests are coming up in front of us. Now you know, Penny, wise and be, were validating the examples that were kind of the canaries in the coal mine.
10:52:50 But I know that you guys plan on a on a on a broader scale, and i'm wondering if you could just give a little context to to why we're looking at some of these at at cutting
some of these older
10:53:00 forests. currently for us. it's just where we can go at this point it's you know you by the time you sit down and plan out where you're going, and and you you kind of build
yourself what I call a
10:53:19 blackout map, and just say, here's all the layers you go into Gis, and you put in all the layers of mirror.
10:53:26 Let now in age, class and unstable slopes and right pairing zones.
10:53:35 And you just lay all that in there and it it you look at what's left underneath all that.
10:53:43 And then you go to those areas and so you're you know all those other things are layers of policy and procedure.
10:53:52 And by the time you take those out this is what you're left with, and so you go to those areas and you know we get.
10:53:59 We had. there are sustainable harvest number.
10:54:04 So the unit forest or gets a target. This is what I want per year from you on Marvca lands, which is your common school, and that those lands. well in East Jefferson, it's mostly
common school, and then County so I
10:54:19 give them a target for each and say here's what I need and he'll build his blackout map and say here's where I can go and here's what I can Do per year.
10:54:32 For you and then spread that out over hopefully. a fairly even flow of 10 years, and I've had you know one thing I've stressed in my position is, you know, you guys need to
understand that the county.
10:54:46 You know, they don't need 5 million dollars this year. and a 1 million dollars next year, because that's pretty tough to manage so let's try and get that volume balanced the
best you can but not always easy.
10:55:03 To do but that's basically how we look at it and And if the stands are, you know meeting policy and procedure once you go through all those lists of what you can't touch, and
how you can go out it then that's
10:55:17 what's left behind, and you you start scheduling those. Thank you. That's very helpful, and I guess my my one recollection from our conversation, and maybe I I misunderstood
this is a lot of some of those
10:55:29 older forests were encumbered by the interim plan the mar marble habitat, conservation plan and kind of unencumbered in the in the the final plan.
10:55:39 And is that correct? Yeah, it was. It was kind of a balance.
10:55:44 Straits was actually supposed to be pretty well unencumbered, and by the final plan, and that didn't happen, we ended up with some special habitat units.
10:55:57 Most of those are in Clown County. So we did.
10:56:02 We were unencumbered to a point but not I mean it's not like everything disappeared.
10:56:07 And then, along with that our our actually just before that happened, that plant finalized the spotted out plan changed.
10:56:21 Yeah. cause Straits District doesn't tend to have a lot of high quality northern spot at all habitat.
10:56:27 So that did free up some ground, and those were shifting targets over the last 8 years.
10:56:35 So that that became at least something we could count on. And then and it did.
10:56:40 She makes some changes, and as well as mirrorle that kind of balanced it was that up and down.
10:56:48 Thank you for that additional context. And you know thanks for coming out with us, too, and walking of that sale, I think that was, you know, time very well spent for Brian,
and I am, and for you too.
10:57:02 And that was a good exchange. I we both learned, you know, Brian and I did, and and thought it was time well spent.
10:57:10 So I appreciate you guys are bona acknowledging the letter.
10:57:14 The last letter I sent there's now been 3 letters feels like one.
10:57:18 Everything few weeks, and you know and in all the learning we've been doing over the since april Fourth, when this adventure started.
10:57:31 What I feel like is we've learned a lot of potential solutions or potential pathways forward, and we're very interested in coming up with kind of a shared approach to the State
forest transfer trust lands you know
10:57:48 aware of your targets and your your your needs but also aware that over time we wanna work towards more consistent revenue.
10:57:57 We've been hearing that from the junior taxing districts
10:58:00 We also wanna work towards conservation targets, and my, the last letter I sent was pretty clear that we would love to have participation of Dnr.
10:58:11 And developing that plan as we go forward I don't know how that's gonna play out that's kind of why I asked the capacity question at the beginning of the this session.
10:58:21 But we've been talking with the commissioner in public lands, and some of the people at the State level about coming up with a plan, and that's what they're asking us for is
you know what what does the county want to
10:58:33 see happen. So in the in the interim weeks, and months, we are meeting with our stakeholders and Dnr folks and some forestry experts in our community, we've been working with
and just trying to understand what a path.
10:58:51 Forward might be for those state P. Forest transfer lands.
10:58:55 I mean the on April fifth I think it was said that our only option was reconvenience.
10:58:59 But we're pushing back on that we but you know it may may still need to be something that we need to consider for some lands near more or more urban areas, or something.
10:59:09 But stay tuned, and I hope that we can, you know, rely on you guys to be resources for this process.
10:59:17 As we move forward because we're very committed to coming up with kind of a community vision for these forests that were we're originally ours in the twenties and thirties,
and and you know some of the features, on them.
10:59:32 are beloved to our community, and unique natural heritage for us.
10:59:38 So appreciate you guys, we're happy to help out at the region level.
10:59:44 So just contact us. let us know. thanks thanks mona I don't have any more questions.
10:59:52 Do any of Greg or Kate any further questions, Mark, do you have any questions for Jeremiah?
10:59:59 It was. It was time well spent with me for me as well, Jared walking with you and Brian.
11:00:02 So yeah, my favorite kind of meetings happen in the woods.
11:00:05 I have to say, Yeah, well, thank you Guys we'll see you next time, or we'll see you in the intervening months, too, as we develop our questions and thoughts and plan for the
future.
11:00:22 So great. Look forward to working with you. Yeah, thank you. You care bye.
11:00:34 Okay, it's 11 o'clock we don't have anything on our agenda now, until 1 30, except for I know that voluntary stewardship program is the focus of the wassat call today.
11:00:48 And That's always been a program i've been a little high centered on and and want to learn more about.
11:00:53 So i'm i'm interested in participating in that call from 12 to one.
11:00:56 Today. I know it's been noticed if anyone else is interested Do we wanna look forward a little bit, and then maybe break a little early?
11:01:06 Maybe we can actually have lunch today. Does anyone? wanna does that sound good?
11:01:15 As for a plan, Sure. Okay, do we want to hear about marks last week?
11:01:21 Yeah, Yeah, I don't have much to report that was mostly behind the scenes.
11:01:26 Administrative work, drafting documents and working with staff on various issues nothing, or shattering
11:01:36 That was quick. Yes, it was I could go very a pretty short week, Part i'm going to be out on the West End Wednesday and Thursday.
11:01:53 But this week let's see meeting with chief black tomorrow morning.
11:02:00 Then meeting with grannicus Company, who, as they do a number of things but have been continually wanting to talk with us about the short term rentals and the services that
they they provide there
11:02:18 and in regulation of short term rentals. an Edc.
11:02:24 Finance Committee. I cannot tell the Council Finance Committee meeting get working on lots of policies, and then tomorrow afternoon giving blood. Has Dr.
11:02:34 Barry mentioned. So Then Wednesday, Thursday staying at with the whole tribe and the West End, and hoping to meet with some tribal leaders, both the Ho and and not still getting
those
11:02:47 scheduled. Friday we have the covid coordination meeting and then taking, oh!
11:02:54 In the I do have 1 one short meeting also with our lo lobbyists, and Dc.
11:03:00 And then be taking much of Friday afternoon off that's my week.
11:03:07 Be very excited to report back from the lobbyist piece because I that's kind of a black box for me. i'm kind of curious.
11:03:14 I get the emails from them, and i'm like what should I do with this, you know.
11:03:18 So yeah, i'll be interested. in the report back on that one I I should say, too, we did finally hear from the Epa on our last earmark.
11:03:28 So that's one of the one of the things that our lobbyists helps with, and we so we're starting, contracting with epa for that 2 and a half. 1 million This sure sure Yeah, that
was for the 2022
11:03:43 appropriation we haven't it'll be a little less before we hear back from the 2023.
11:03:49 But we're expected to be in we're both the the House and Senate side for another afraid of getting the numbers wrong, so they won't specify how much but similar similar appropriation
for 23 alright I
11:04:07 can do. let's see tonight. i'm gonna go down to the closing community center at 6 30 to go to kind of a planning meeting for that full scene trail.
11:04:19 I think we get a presentation here, or was it just parks and rack?
11:04:23 But that will seem conversations got a 29,000, and change Grant to do that interpretive trail, using the old I forget his name.
11:04:34 The artist James Cough. I forget his name who created the art for the aquarium that was taken down with the remodel 20 years ago.
11:04:41 So they've got 7 pieces of art plus another carving of an eagle.
11:04:48 They're gonna make some I think 9 kiosks down from if we'll see village store down to the or back Marina.
11:04:57 So go see what how I can help them out tomorrow. We have the tourism coordinating council, and then I've got a lunch meeting with Director Butler from DCD.
11:05:05 To talk about a couple of issues, including the the housing facilities, ordinance and
11:05:10 Perhaps we've we've got a lot coming up this afternoon with the DCD.
11:05:15 Too. So i'm sure that will engender a few more topics to discuss.
11:05:21 On Wednesday we have the orca board meeting and then there's another opportunity for the data review that I will skip.
11:05:29 We have that development meeting for Seventh Haven. Oh, I not sure if I reported on my last week.
11:05:36 But we have, chosen the artists for Seventh Haven.
11:05:40 We have a $50,000 art budget and i've chosen to artists for the kind of opposite corners of the building.
11:05:47 One of them is really interactive kind of mosaic tile.
11:05:52 Artists gonna do tiles with the kids from the child care and residents for some of that kind of a C theme.
11:06:03 And then still kind of We've chosen the artist for the the parking lot area. Those concrete walls that are kind of right next to DCD.
11:06:11 And i'll come soon. that that final design and Then we have agenda planning for the board of health that afternoon, as well as the developer meeting for Seventh Haven.
11:06:21 I have my third planning commission meeting, and I have to skip the old account board meeting for a legal women voters, a forum for my candidacy.
11:06:31 On third day we have the behavioral health consortium meeting, and and then we have the on Friday.
11:06:41 The Sales behavioral health administrative service organization that I chair is meeting on Friday, and then it's a pretty light Friday afternoon.
11:06:51 So far, so that is my coming week. sounds good i'll just confess that this morning I was kind of in, so I was so tired.
11:07:04 I'm like, what do you do when you feel like you've might not be on your best behavior best game for commissioners meeting, but actually sitting down feels good for once.
11:07:19 And so So today, with you guys of course and then this evening, I'm. doing a review of a proposal for the community foundation's creative entrepreneurship network, which is
an exciting new endeavor of
11:07:33 the Community foundation, and we have a great potential set of folks who were gonna work with on doing some engagement around the that.
11:07:45 See, we're calling see and creative entrepreneurship network.
11:07:51 Tomorrow I will get a lot done because there's not a lot of my calendar.
11:07:56 So I I love those days because I just click through so much important work.
11:07:59 So i'll be in here but working away Wednesday.
11:08:05 I have a couple of meetings on forestry issues, one with the stakeholder and the other with
11:08:14 Mark and Mallory to talk about her work this year, and potentially looking at the an update of the forest for the future report that was done in concert with Dnr.
11:08:27 In the county 10 or 11 years ago, so that's something that maybe in accessible set of data that we could update in terms of our our assessment of what potential work we want
to do going forward around Dnr forest
11:08:45 lands in Jefferson County. Tomorrow is the final meeting of the Trust land transfer, proviso, legislative proviso phase.
11:08:57 2 work group, and then next week starts the trust land transfer, proviso pilot program and review of projects.
11:09:08 So that work continues trying to come up with the legislative proposal for 20 to 23 session, and the next capital budget
11:09:24 And then I am starting pickle ball practice because we have a pickle ball tournament that has been added to our calendars.
11:09:31 It was added to our calendars without letting us know.
11:09:33 But then I said, what's this so 27 July: Yeah.
11:09:40 I have started to schedule practice session.
11:09:47 Hello, Buddy, I've decided my number one goal this year is to have the most fun I can possibly have.
11:09:54 So I have not played pick a ball since last year so i'm unlikely to detrone anyone.
11:10:00 But i'm also worried about a conflict because i'm supposed to be on with the island with the navy until late that afternoon, so I I have to check the fairy schedule and see
if it's realistic for
11:10:09 me to get back. We can move it later. It stays lightly.
11:10:15 Yeah checking in with Mark. Got I see pickle ball all over my calendar, anyway, checking in with Mark to my our Thursday afternoon, and then on Friday morning I am the guest
presenter at the chamber
11:10:31 cafe to give do a mid mid-year review of the what the county's been doing for the first half of the year?
11:10:37 I started working on that last week and Then friday evening i'll be going to the maritime Center as navigator night out to support my friends and colleagues there and there
fundraising efforts and that's my
11:10:53 week. It's i'm thank Oh, wait and I have an Olympic discovery trail board meeting on Wednesday.
11:10:59 I forgot to look in the evenings. Yeah, every evening this week I have something county related.
11:11:04 So. yeah I have overlapping things on wednesday. There's also a chimicum grange meeting on Wednesday evening, so somehow i'll try and be in 2 places at once.
11:11:16 Again. the grains. But no, I will put a psa in for next Sunday.
11:11:22 The seventeenth the pancake breakfast at the Chimicum Grange.
11:11:27 I will be at the stove flipping pancakes, and I encourage everybody to attend.
11:11:33 Doyle is egg and I pork doyle's donating all the sausage, and Keith and Christie at Finn River, have donated the grain for the pancakes, and the corner stars donated all the
rest in the
11:11:46 ingredients. So community event again and i'm hoping that we fill up the grains.
11:11:51 Multiple times of pancake eaters and I don't know if anyone has tried any of keats mixes for pancakes, but they make I don't even like pancakes, and I love these pancakes. so
here.
11:12:03 I am doing a psa for finn river grain but happy to do it, and i'm happy pancake eater now.
11:12:11 So that's that's my week yeah I love pancakes what? whatever the grain, so I I know I think I you know, and and vetting his wife candidates probably regrets that he didn't have
11:12:24 a questionnaire that included the pancake question, because he loves pancakes, too, and Ben River has fixed fixed our marriage multiple times and on the pancake front as well.
11:12:36 So anything else. Ground mark what's your week look like Well, i'll do to date with the board tomorrow.
11:12:48 18 meeting with Aaron Kevin and John.
11:12:52 And i'm i'm gonna try I have to get the Revenue committee together.
11:12:58 I know the Board wants to have a workshop on budget assumptions, and we need to get cracking on that.
11:13:04 Need to issue that guidance to directors and elected officials before the end of the month.
11:13:11 On Wednesday, checking in with the North Olympic Peninsula City Manager County Administrator Group.
11:13:20 And then in the afternoon, meeting with Mallory and Heidi on the forestry, and then on Thursday, a number of things casual.
11:13:29 Brown, CEO Breakfast with Edc. Team Jefferson and Ceos in the community.
11:13:36 Meeting with Heidi to go over Agenda for the eighteenth, and then there's a new Washsac Arpa Administrative Staff Quarterly check in, and the first of of those will be on
11:13:50 Thursday afternoon. So i'm i'm hoping that that we can get some clarity on the revenue sharing Archimonies.
11:14:00 You know we're halfway through july almost and we have 2 and a half months before the end of the fiscal year.
11:14:06 We have plans for those those funds. So, anyway, And then, of course, on Friday back to Maple Valley, the lake Lake Lake life.
11:14:19 Yeah, finally, like we'll be going I I had a question for you Howidi, based on your upcoming week.
11:14:28 The community foundations, Cn: what is the creative entrepreneur network? Yeah. i'm also in kind of an ad hoc group that introduced an Nvc.
11:14:39 Grant is kind of staffing right now the opera, the Olympic Peninsula, Entrepreneurial Resource Association.
11:14:45 And I just want to make sure that we don't create 5 5 groups doing the same thing.
11:14:50 So you know we should probably connect whoever is the administrator there with. Take a crabby who's who's that?
11:14:55 Feeling that role for the opera group and and make sure they touch base with the Edc.
11:15:00 As well. So I just
11:15:09 I'm i'm assuming she would know about opera, but that's an assumption yeah don't wanna make assumptions. they're kind of tied in with lion and and it's a 2 county
11:15:20 group that that you know, Dc. was able to staff cool anything else for the good of the order on calendaring.
11:15:31 Well, we can break early and add, get lunch today. I won't have to eat one of my emergency lental packets again.
11:15:43 So while we will then recess until 1 30 when we'll come back, and we have a series of exciting workshops this afternoon.
11:15:54 A number of topics, so it'll be a heady full afternoon.
11:15:59 So get a good lunch, fortify yourself. get some sunshine and i'll see you all at 1 30.
13:31:14 Yeah.
13:31:53 Hey? it's 1 30 someone's got a be running.
13:32:03 Okay, it's 1 30 a call. this July eleventh, 2022 meeting of the Jefferson County Board of Commisters back to order.
13:32:12 Welcome back. Hope everyone had a great lunch. afternoon.
13:32:20 We have a series of oops, someone at the Ab running, is it you?
13:32:27 Brent some Yes, that was you. I really. Anyway, we have a series of workshops with our esteemed colleagues, including the first one being on long range planning project.
13:32:47 So the focus on housing programs, policies and plans.
13:32:51 We do have a public comment period listed as a part of this session, so we will get through the staff presentation and then open up for public comment, and then have commissioner
discussion.
13:33:06 So. who's gonna lead us in this agenda item.
13:33:14 Oh, I can kick this off Madam chair, and if you would I I will.
13:33:19 I can put up our powerpoint I can share that right now.
13:33:27 Hmm and brent, and josh I don't Know if you heard me say I have to jump off for a quick call at 1 45, but it won't be gone along.
13:33:35 So don't take it personally if that scholarship back, Kate
13:33:49 Share.
13:33:56 Share your screen. You see it. it's at the bottom of the screen there.
13:34:02 And is everything. this fall Yup Yup, we can see it looks great.
13:34:13 And the general public for giving us an opportunity to present on what's probably a pretty significant range of of programs policies.
13:34:25 And really plans that implement a lot of the vision that is housed in our comprehensive plan.
13:34:36 Joining me today is our planning manager. Josh Peters, certified by the American Institute of Certified Planes, is I as part of our agenda, you know, look at an update
13:34:56 long range plan, work, plan and it's been a while since we provided a a summary of our permit activity, so we thought it would be a good opportunity to do that today as well.
13:35:13 And then a summary of our housing programs, projects and plants, and then
13:35:19 In closing. We wanted to really look at it alternative option to implement the work plan, and in embedded in that is we really do need some assistance from the board in prioritization,
because at least you probably are aware there's
13:35:35 more work than you do. have staffing that's available
13:35:49 And these are the areas outlined in our May.
13:35:54 2021 work, Plan and this predates.
13:36:01 Both my tenure and josh peter's tenure and in that we had a list of a fourable housing and community development activities.
13:36:12 Yeah. also an objective for regulatory reform.
13:36:16 And then, thirdly, we have really a focus on some of the State mandated updates, and as many members of the community are aware of the critical play areas, ordinance was recently
completed as well as a
13:36:32 comprehensive plan update so what we're looking at really is
13:36:37 I'll show my master program, and then the existed comprehensive plan docket
13:36:46 So i'm just gonna start with the summary of the permit activity, and I wanted just to identify what is occurring across the country across the State, and then look at our local
permitting activity.
13:37:03 And then, if you look across the country, you'll see that permits and housing starts are have just started to
13:37:13 So yeah, And we also see that completions have start to peak.
13:37:22 And so when I say that what we're looking at is June sixteenth 2022 release from the Us.
13:37:31 Census and the department of housing urban development.
13:37:35 So the next release state is going to be july nineteenth, and it'll be able to help us gauge what's occurring nationally.
13:37:45 But these are the most current stat statistics that we have available share.
13:37:52 Then if you look at of the Washington Center for Real estate research which has been designated by the State Legislature, and as the the resource for local Academy counties
to understand some of the housing supply and demand
13:38:09 issues pricing. Yeah, we do see that.
13:38:17 The Median home prices. and not only leveled off they started to come down across the State, and then we also have seen that across the state that has been a change in existing
home sales, and so those are starting to
13:38:33 come down as well. So what we're seeing nationally is also join up a local, not locally.
13:38:43 But within the state of Washington. However, if you look at our current building permits, we did comparison. and we have the last 5 years.
13:38:58 Here we are still seeing that we have not
13:39:06 The significant numbers that we've had in the past but if you look at the overall, this is annualized, obviously 2022.
13:39:17 We have yet 6 months to to go. And so this was really looking at the first 6 months and annualizing it.
13:39:24 So if those first 6 months continue, we are on a a course to be another record.
13:39:30 And But if you look at some of the individual areas you'll see that for pre applications conferences almost on track with the record, you and 2019, if you look at subdivisions,
we are currently on
13:39:49 track to surpass pass records. If you look at shoreline permits again, we are on track to surpass past records.
13:40:01 If you look at zoning permits of that is not a record number, but building permits again is now, if you drill down a little deeper, I wanted to compare single family homes,
accessory dwelling
13:40:16 units, mobile homes, and then a total, and then you will see that there has been a slight decline.
13:40:26 Overall of those parents. and this is only looking at the first 6 months.
13:40:33 Okay, of the last 5 years. Are there any questions on the data?
13:40:41 Okay.
13:40:46 Oh, other than that number on building permits the previous slide that was that's a significant increase, Right? it's we're almost 78, 80 85 permits ahead of last year, .
13:41:01 And that's assuming that the second half of the year continues on paces.
13:41:05 The first half, and historically, the first 3 months, you know the winter season is slower, and then it picks up so it should have balanced it out.
13:41:17 I ask one question as long as you're on the slide, too.
13:41:21 Brent I mean, you can. You can see the trend lines on the customer assistance meetings right clearly where we started charging for them in 2,000 late 2,019.
13:41:31 I think. So they went way down, and then we really directed you guys to turn them around and make them free.
13:41:36 Recognize that we even supplemented the budget for $30,000 or something, and i'm just wondering what your thoughts are on.
13:41:43 How that is working. Do you think that the cam meetings that most of them end up in permit?
13:41:52 I guess i'm just wondering about this experiment going the other way on cams, and how you know I mean like we talked about every cam that ends up in a permit process is not
really a giveaway a financial giveaway
13:42:04 right, because it's defrayed. from the cost and it would normally be defrayed.
13:42:08 So I guess i'm just wondering what you or I don't know if Josh is straight straight into it.
13:42:15 But what you guys thoughts are well there's one thing and I could pass it to josh if he has any comments.
13:42:21 So the one thing that I just wanted to echo should you hit it accurately?
13:42:25 That we have in this 5 year period. 2 times that
13:42:33 There was a a free offering of community assistance Meeting the first one was 2018, and then it.
13:42:42 It ended up at 2019, if my understanding is correct, and that was, we were fortunate to receive a grant, and that provided that support.
13:42:52 And then and now we see it 2022, the 606 customer assistance meetings.
13:42:59 That's the annualized rate. if it continues at the current pace, and I don't anticipate that will change that.
13:43:07 We have at this uptake in its lifely related to the same reason.
13:43:11 We had such large numbers in 2,018 you know it because we're now offering it for But your other question I I I would hesitate to to be able to answer that without having checked
in with the the
13:43:25 planning team specifically. the question being whether or not these customer assistance meetings have translated into permits. I don't have any information, and I'll pass the
baton to Josh He may or or we may have to
13:43:43 come back and provide you that information. Yeah, thanks, Brentan. Thanks for the question, Commissioner Brotherton.
13:43:50 So I am just coming up to speak with exactly how the problem process works.
13:43:56 We do have a a software system that goes along with the cams that reports out the findings.
13:44:02 And so I need to invest further about what other information that software system called a Q and A.
13:44:07 Tracks. I did ask. we had a couple cancellations since i've been here a month, and so I I wanted to ask how often cams are canceled, and whether the cancellation rate was the
same when it was a paid service
13:44:19 versus a free service. So that is perhaps one potential downside.
13:44:21 But really is just a theory that when people don't have to pay for something, they they don't value it in the same census, they may they may not show up you know what I mean
it's kind of like you cancel your
13:44:31 ferry reservations or something. having a penalty So that's just perhaps one minor downside. but I do wanna a better job of tracking it, including the question you're asking
which is have we tracked
13:44:44 cams in terms of the the percentage of can be cams that turn into permit applications.
13:44:50 I know that there are. so I just anecdotally.
13:44:52 I know that perfect. but I just don't know what percentage it is.
13:44:55 I imagine it's fairly high, though, if someone investigates that much to actually set up an appointment and be there.
13:45:02 Then imagine that is generally followed by an application One thing we do is say, there's a piece of property for sale, and somebody sets up a can to talk about the build ability
for example, of that parcel or what are some things to keep
13:45:16 in mind. Then we keep those notes, and then, when someone else asks about that parcel, we distribute the notes from the first meeting rather than asking those folks to do a
separate an individual can which would result in just about the same information So
13:45:28 we do that service. that's another thing that's kind of hard to track, I suppose, although we could try to figure out how many times we reuse the cam meeting notes and there's
some scheduling challenges that
13:45:39 i'm recognizing now just on and and getting planners lined up for those.
13:45:43 But we're meeting those challenges and great thank you guys i'm gonna move on to go back to where we were
13:45:57 And so no item 3 really agenda. Item: 3 really talks about the summary of of programs, projects and plans.
13:46:07 And so and I wanted to make sure that, the Board is aware we provided really good detail summary in the staff report, and I I can for the general public or Josh and I can go
through that just to
13:46:23 provide some clarity for those that may not have read the staff report.
13:46:29 And so in our affordable housing and community development.
13:46:34 And I just wanted to point out that a lot of these are housing programs.
13:46:38 So if you look for example, i'm gonna fast forward everything here that's in green, it's really related to housing.
13:46:48 Okay, And so in some capacity. And so for us to do a really good job, it would require us to sort of delve into the specific projects, and we can do that because I believe that
we do have a lot
13:47:04 of members of from the community that are very interested. So
13:47:12 Our first real project is the port hadlock eye, now urban growth and area sub area plan.
13:47:21 And so one of the things that we would like to to change or potentially change is the nomenclature.
13:47:30 Some of the ideas that have been coming our way.
13:47:36 Would. ness would not necessitate a sub area plan.
13:47:41 Maybe an overly zoom that would meet the the community's expectation. and when I say an overlay, and I I just wanted to make sure that the community is aware what overlay could
accomplish one
13:47:58 is is that the overlay could be could call missing middle overlay, or or but it could create within the commercial zone where it is initially being rolled out.
13:48:15 The sewer sneeze here in a second
13:48:22 Yeah, it's in that overlay we could allow multi family or missing middle housing to be permitted right now on the commercial zone.
13:48:36 This has been the problem that has been noticed. notified is that, it does not allow new residential construction, and that's the first area for or the sub area plant.
13:48:46 To roll out, and so what that could look like.
13:48:52 Is that that housing overlay could include some new tax exemptions.
13:49:01 And so and and I wanted just to really specifically talk about the the tax exemption.
13:49:06 So one of them, I think it really is important for kate Dean to hear, because we've been looking at this with regards to what we as a community, are capable of doing, meaning.
we have you have the legislative
13:49:20 power in authority. and then there is some where the Board of County Commissioners does not have the legislative authority, but that, the member of the Board who sits on the
legislative steering committee, might be
13:49:35 able to impress their peers that they're should be some legislative change.
13:49:41 Okay, So I wanted to clearly point that out. for example.
13:49:47 The tax exemptions that are available for multi-family housing specifically exclude rural communities like ours.
13:49:58 Okay, So that is the area that we would need the Legislature to change.
13:50:05 So, Brent, just just to find the case jumped off for a few minutes, so she's not with us right now.
13:50:15 So that that over I can look at that in terms of the port headlock.
13:50:22 Find out urban growth area and overlay and so
13:50:27 We put this in our staff report so that you can see some of the ideas that are being considered, and as we know that sewer is likely to be available 2,324, or or actually 2425
Excuse
13:50:41 me, so we would have time shoot the board to side, for, for example, that maybe we should have a consultant.
13:50:49 So this would be one of those areas that we would see that is potential a link for the key.
13:50:57 I could ask a framing question. about the that that kind of the port handlock. I the the Suburbia plan versus the Overlay plan, and that's I guess it seems like the overlay
plan would be something that
13:51:09 goes into the zoning and ends up as part of the Comp plan as a comp plan amendment.
13:51:14 Is that correct? And then a sub area plan i'm actually dealing with some of the folks out in gardener right now.
13:51:21 Who are, you know, looking and kind of finding discrepancies from their old side area plan that came out around the same time as Gma.
13:51:29 And what ended up in the comprehensive plan. and I guess I wanted to make sure that my understanding was correct, that a sub area plan ultimately is going to get integrated
into the comp plan and get its teeth from its integration and the comp plan
13:51:42 and not as a standard loan document and i'm wondering If you've been, I guess, talk about the path of these 2 paths.
13:51:49 You know both the overlay an overlay plan versus a sub area plan, and how to both inform the comp plan or stand separate from the cost.
13:52:00 That's a very good question so the context that we're talking, and overly.
13:52:05 We're looking at it as sort of a sub area plan light, and I use that term like, because a sub area plan would be more extensive.
13:52:16 Analysis, a much greater level of of of community outreach and participation.
13:52:26 And that we might end up making significant changes to multiple types of designations in this in and looking at an overlay, we're going to focus specifically on.
13:52:44 If. and now this is really the most abbreviated type of planning study.
13:52:48 What can we do? one to incentivize housing construction?
13:52:53 Within the area boundaries of the sewer and So it's really limited and focused whereas a sub area plan.
13:53:03 Can look at a whole range of issues that would include adequate parking.
13:53:11 It might even establish different levels of service. for different types of modes of travel.
13:53:18 And so suburban plan can include the whole house and the kitchen, whereas the the overlay we're looking, maybe just at the the frying Pan Gotcha.
13:53:31 Okay, but can you? Is my understanding correct of? Did they both get their power?
13:53:36 I mean like the sub area plan, if we went that path doesn't just stand alone from the comp plan does it it ends up being integrated into the comp plan, and that's where it becomes
that which where it moves the
13:53:48 county rules. Yes, and in my understanding is that when we did our first comprehensive plan
13:53:55 There were many sub area plans throughout the county
13:53:59 And these were all combined together to create our our overall comprehensive plan.
13:54:05 And so, apparently we do have a a sub area plan for Brennan, and that was a pretty large scale.
13:54:14 Multi-year effort to develop that sub area. Plan
13:54:18 And when I say multi year I believe that we're talking 4 years to develop that and I I would have to to just look back at the records to To To Askcame, But I know that when
the proposal.
13:54:34 originally from the statesman group was received here.
13:54:39 Part of what was necessary was a subway planning process.
13:54:43 And that so very planning process lay the framework offer what would come next?
13:54:47 So that brings some area plan coming after gma sorry I'm just I'm just stalling for time until Kate we joins the a sub area plan for Britain, and it was made later has not been
integrated into
13:54:59 our comprehensive plan is that correct it's a separate document.
13:55:05 Still. Well, there are 2 different approaches one is that and I've seen subway plans that are standalone chapters of comprehensive plans, and also there are several plans that
are fully
13:55:19 integrated. So really, I I think there's quite a wide range of latitude as to what a community can do.
13:55:26 I mean. I know the gardener plan as a for instance the inconsistencies.
13:55:30 They're seen between. in comparing it to the comp plan is that I think.
13:55:32 But many of the narrative elements have been taken over from their Siberia plan into the Comp plan.
13:55:40 But most of the you know, zoning, I think, in an effort to be consistent throughout the county, was not taken over from the side area plan as as closely as important to the
analysis.
13:55:53 I for as closely as the narrative elements of that Siberia plan.
13:55:58 I guess i'm just trying to understand how the Brennan one I mean.
13:56:01 I understand it was necessary for the Pleasant Harbor, Npr.
13:56:05 Application, but it doesn't have separate a separate use table then our our Udc.
13:56:13 Or anything. right? so it's I guess what's the primacy of these documents is that sub area plan can't trump a comp plan if they're inconsistent with each other, Can they well,
typically the
13:56:24 sub area plan is incorporated in the comprehensive plan.
13:56:29 And so what we've typically seen is that a sub area plan would be in, for example, for Port Butler.
13:56:38 We do have different zoning within that area. and so
13:56:44 So a suburb of plan may be the first step in developing new zoning regulations that apply specifically within an area.
13:56:56 But if you remember I believe the number of planning areas is almost, it's more than 10, but less than 20.
13:57:04 I can't remember the exact number but early on the decision was made that there wouldn't be resources to do subarion plans for every area in the county.
13:57:15 Just the given the amount of resources it takes just do you want?
13:57:20 And so I I mentioned that that because typically a sub area plan would be driven by some significant need.
13:57:29 To address, for example, in the the Britain it was a master planning zoom. for example, in what I see the port hadlock einsteinail urban growth. area.
13:57:44 It was also be I mean, it is a lot option, a suburban plant, because the nature and scope of that project 30 million dollars is is one that that could you know, foresee that
13:57:58 So that is still an option, and it has been included here for that reason. but just given the resources and the time we thought that an overlay would be a a less intensive up
way to achieve the same goal.
13:58:16 Okay, Brian, I have a question about. Are you great?
13:58:20 Are you done with your line of questioning? Okay.
13:58:22 So I have a question about this item: The port Hadlock iron, dale, urban growth area.
13:58:28 There's been quite a bit of interest from residents of that area or adjacent to the proposed boundary for like a community outreach effort, and my understanding is people.
13:58:45 People. Many people have moved to the community since and i'll in the last, say 10 or 15 years.
13:58:50 They weren't here when we did the comp plan and 1998.
13:58:55 They don't know about the history of this project and I you know I've talked with you a little bit about that just a need to update the community on how we got to here would
that kind of community outreach be something
13:59:07 that could be accomplished both in the overlay process and the sub area planning process.
13:59:17 Because we would. I I just feel a really strong need for fairly robust community engagement, irregardless of which path we choose to take.
13:59:27 And by robust I don't mean you know at nauseum. But I mean, you know, making a point of concerted effort to make sure that people have the opportunity to hear how we got here.
13:59:41 Here what what we're thinking here are the questions we have and and give their input. Thank you.
13:59:49 To me, and that is absolutely correct. the type of outreach types of questions.
14:00:00 And the extensive man of our review of the existing regulations.
14:00:08 Would occur in both an overlay as well as in a suburban plan.
14:00:15 The difference that we're seeing now that I would propose is that for the suburb for excuse me for the overlay?
14:00:24 We're looking to resolve a specific issue related to housing, availability and constraints placed on that In that process community members may identify other areas that we
could raise and elevate to the board's
14:00:41 attention. but we can discreetly separate those and tackle them later, so that the question of the principal concern about housing is addressed first.
14:00:54 So if in fact, there are areas that haven't been anticipated.
14:01:00 I say I say that so? So the short answer is, yes, that the area the subway plan and the overlay would both require a community outreach.
14:01:15 And I could see if we're focusing on housing.
14:01:18 I mean we're gonna have to consider things like sidewalk ability, you know, and quality of life.
14:01:25 It issues as part of an overlay zone.
14:01:29 Because you know housing it goes hand in hand with housing planning for housing. so I I could see how it could happen, But I just wanted to confirm with you the 2 of you that
or let you know that that's
14:01:43 a huge priority of the community to kind of get an update and have a say in
14:01:52 You know what? what? What hadlocks gonna look like after the source for them?
14:01:58 And Josh, Is there anything you might want to ask
14:02:03 Yeah, sure. just rewinding slightly on commissioner Brotherton's question. all of the community plans that you mentioned earlier that were done prior to the adoption of the
first dna Comp.
14:02:15 Plan we're integrated into the confidence and they're no longer standalone documents that have any any effect, if you will, in in terms of what our goals policies and regulations
are, however, they're still informative of
14:02:28 course, for historical antecedent, if you will. but in terms of that particular plan that was mentioned being at a date, it's a question up that, being relevant at the time,
and then it was incorporated to the
14:02:41 compliment in plan which I was assigned to
14:02:44 Back in the early 2,000 actually started before there was even a concept about the Black Point Master planners, or just for example.
14:02:51 It wasn't because of that, although it didn't end up talking about that a lot, because it was a concurrent application.
14:03:00 3 statesman was actually a different person who first brought up that idea, and there was a lot of interest in that idea.
14:03:06 So the plan was finished in 2,004, and then the elements that actually affected change, such as changes to designations and of Lamards.
14:03:17 And there was that small scale. Reckon tourist zone that was created right after you got come down from not Walker.
14:03:24 So there were some elements that were corporated at the conflict.
14:03:26 But the bottom line is that those plans only take actual effect, as they are incorporating to the component become a Gma action.
14:03:33 So, but they also could be read as a standalone plan.
14:03:36 Just again for education, and there's a lot of extra information there that's more descriptive than it is effectual.
14:03:42 That makes sense. Okay. So now, we're talking about the uga what's not on this slide a lot of these these things come straight from the May.
14:03:51 2,021 agenda. item that Brent dug off the shelf for the 2 of us to look at and see what was discussed last year.
14:03:59 Essentially before I Either one of us joined DCD.
14:04:02 Or rejoin DCD and so we thought we'd start there and see what progress had been made on on certain activities which ones are still there which ones have morphed into something
else, and then add new stuff
14:04:12 that's happening that's happened since then or even they're just in the idea stage.
14:04:17 So if you look at, for example, number 4 or I think the green Burial text amendment issue has been handled.
14:04:24 We're still waiting for a formal withdrawal of that amendment proposal.
14:04:27 But What's not there is a potential don't plan docket to put in some elements for the urban zoning, and Fort Hadlock Irondale.
14:04:38 So in a sense it's kind of like 1 8 except over in the 4 column.
14:04:41 So we do anticipate beings there's there's there's been some interest in having a certain limited revisitation of some of the apps of the urban zoning that's been put in
14:04:52 a balance until such time as sooner is available. but now that sewer is is coming, and there's a plan and a schedule.
14:05:01 Then there's more sort of immediate interest and there's interest from particular landowners about particular properties, and as Brent mentioned, the sea zone was originally
designated to be strictly commercial and that there are some
14:05:17 interest in those areas to have other opportunities, be they residential or mixed use.
14:05:22 And so, in order to revisit, that we'd have to open up the urban zoning again, and there would be a public process associated with that, so that would at least take care of
that aspect of it so that would we could
14:05:34 envision that that and any other changes from the anticipated sewer ordinance to go into title 18, which is the unified Development Code.
14:05:42 Just to make sure that those are completely consistent, and my understanding is that the sewer ordinance is being worked on right now by public works.
14:05:50 So. So there's that. and then in terms of public outreach. I know that Commissioner eisenhower has expressed interest in this idea that there are folks that didn't participate
in that process for the original
14:06:02 designation of the uga quite a while ago. now and then have expressed interest as well as just wanting to know what it's what it would look like.
14:06:13 For example, once the urban zoning takes effect because again we went back to the role zoning up until such time as sewer is available.
14:06:20 So now that we're on the precipice of that we have all these urban regulations, and they're going to take effect as soon as sewers available. so it's it's pending and
14:06:29 I I mentioned that Commissioner is a Howard to our public works colleagues.
14:06:34 Last week, when we had a meeting with them so they're aware of that interest in having some additional materials prepared or public process or educational events.
14:06:42 Perhaps out of the library, for example, just where we can talk about what would take place.
14:06:48 And of course, as the initial projects happen, an example would be the project at the old airfield near the library and the school.
14:06:55 There. That will also be an opportunity for people to kind of see on the ground what the urban zoning actually means.
14:07:02 Once Super is available. So there also be some kind of real life examples that come to bear. thanks.
14:07:08 Jas. so moving on, I I thought we were talking about one B and then one B.
14:07:19 Had as envisioned the whole listing study to analyze a potential strategies and implementation actions.
14:07:28 And that the goal of that study was really regulatory.
14:07:34 Revisions, policy changes, incentives, and invent a an innovative pilot program.
14:07:40 So. and so i'm gonna go through the list one through 6, and that talks about
14:07:48 Some of these typically, and I have to point out that many governments that I've been in have started initially with the study.
14:07:58 And then the study delineates effort it delineates
14:08:04 The length of time and the complexity We don't have that so we have been doing this ourselves, based upon what we're seeing other communities.
14:08:14 Experiences have been, and also looking at what we see, or some of the regulatory hurdles that we would have to step through.
14:08:23 So we do not have that study. but it does frequently inform what a government does.
14:08:36 Number One was a policy changes, and so what we were looking at was identifying
14:08:43 Some of the areas that greater clarity could benefit the community members.
14:08:49 One of them that we've seen is clearly identifying what we consider gross floor area 4, and especially dwelling.
14:08:57 We do have a cap of 1,250 square feet. That's the maximum.
14:09:06 Your accessory drilling can be in the city of port towns, and I believe it's 800 square feet.
14:09:11 But what that includes is something that would be helpful for the key.
14:09:18 Another area in policy changes is the international residential code now does include Appendix Queue for tiny homes.
14:09:28 And so we have not adopted that. And so that is another area.
14:09:33 For policy changes and interpretation that might be an area, and I've been taking the sort of the the first stab at looking at some of these issues just because we do not have
staff staffing available for that incentive
14:09:52 programs. Now, common incentives include the bonus densities, and we do have a bonus density provision in our code expedited, permitted
14:10:05 That is, one of the most common types of incentives and when I'm. saying expedited permitting when I was the community Development Director for Thurston County, we would put
to the top of the Pile of projects anything related
14:10:22 to affordable housing. So if, in fact, there is 15 or 20 week delay projects to be reviewed.
14:10:33 That housing project would go in front of any other permit that comes in currently We do receive calls from people in the community asking for expedited to services.
14:10:50 And that is not a a policy in the department. The policy has been then.
14:10:56 First come first, sir, unless there's an emergency and we have had several interim controls that are indicative of an emergency.
14:11:07 And then another area that we have seen other communities for center programs is feed wavers.
14:11:15 And so how that typically is done. is that there's a fun that's set up and in this for example, the city of Baybridge Island.
14:11:23 They have community members that just determine whether or not app applications for funds should be displayed, and they make a recommendation to the city Council.
14:11:35 And so then the city council would say Yes, we've received these applications for fee waivers, and we recommend that they go forward because they are advancing community's interest
in preserving affordable houses or providing
14:11:50 them affordable housing. Another area. that is, is often looked at is well.
14:12:01 Are we violating the State constitutional provision of gifting public funds as a specific constitution?
14:12:11 Article 8 section 7 that talks about we cannot gift or provide funds to an individual unless they are poor or or infirm, and that's been interpreted to me 80% or less of the
area of income
14:12:27 is the designation by the state that's what constitutes poor and will not constitute a if the public funds.
14:12:36 So, and i'm just going through a meeting senate programs B.
14:12:40 One B 3, and I just wanted to make sure anyone in the community that's following along.
14:12:49 Yeah, I wanted to move on to what I call the innovative programs and under innovative programs.
14:12:59 A one b 4 high among them is stock plans and so we have a 3 pronged approach for addressing the community's needs for stock plans.
14:13:14 When I say 3 prompt one problem is the planning commission Commissioners Kevin Coker, Matt, Sicily, and Arlen and Arlene Allen have agreed to form a committee to help review
stop plans
14:13:30 the one of the objectives there is that, there are some 10 accessory plans that that can be used by the city of Seattle, and so
14:13:43 They are off the shelf, a community member, can go to the architect by the plans and the city agrees to a certain number of inspections and a cap on the feet.
14:13:54 And so that's one approach that I was going to introduce to the planning commissioners.
14:14:00 Another approach is hit. 3 prompt has been partnering with cloud-carry.
14:14:08 I've had 2 meetings with the clown county community development director, and the goal was to use the plans that they've created for what they call the basic unit, which is
about 400 square feet a nominal
14:14:23 fee is charged, and what they found is though it was originally anticipated that it would be used for accessory dwelling units.
14:14:33 They're finding that people are using that for the primary unit. And then the third problem is been a partnership.
14:14:42 With the city and housing Solution Network housing Solutions network is desired to reach out to our local architects.
14:14:51 And i'll happy that many of our architects here are very busy just judging from the permanent activity that I've shared with you earlier. we're finding that they may not be
the capacity available for
14:15:08 them to develop plans. But Hsn Housing Solutions network is working with us.
14:15:14 Collectively the city to identify if there's a that is a viable pathway.
14:15:21 I ask a question, Brett. Yes, I don't know I'm not sure how much direction you were looking for from us today.
14:15:30 But with these 3 proms I mean I've been i'm glad you're meeting with with Mary Allen.
14:15:35 And I I think that the clown county one seems like the least amount of work of these 3 options by a considerable margin.
14:15:43 I'm just wondering where I mean when are we gonna choose a path.
14:15:49 Oh, thank you, I I I was under the belief that all 3 might continue simultaneously.
14:15:56 And so one of the the obstacles that we had to address with the the Clown County plans is that the snow loads in the accounting area, and so we couldn't roll out plans which
would not be we free might remember mason county had to declare a
14:16:11 state of an emergency because of slow loads of about a year ago.
14:16:16 And so we're trying to identify Well, maybe we could limit those plans to areas where we know the slow slow look.
14:16:22 The snow vote is not that great? So we had a list of questions that were provided to a clown county, and we receive their answers.
14:16:33 And so we're in that process so you may be it's my assumption that you probably are accurate that this will be the first one to be to be rolled out.
14:16:42 But we had to to check on those technical questions.
14:16:45 Okay, I mean that's I guess. that's fine as far as it goes, but I feel like a big part of this workshop is a very limited capacity of DCD.
14:16:56 And I, you know, I guess I would prioritize one of these courses very high on the list.
14:17:00 But more than one very high on the list. seems like a misallocation of resources.
14:17:05 Unless i'm unless i'm not understanding something another area of concern with the Cloud and county plans. Is that the
14:17:16 The architect is the community development Director there is a question as to whether or not she's going to serve another term, and if those plants will be available after November
and so he's not going to serve another term.
14:17:29 so I whether or not they're going to be available I don't know that's that's Why, i'd say get them now right? but they need to be a plans that have an architect stamp so
14:17:43 if she leaves, and there is no there have been new complications.
14:17:49 So we've addressed one of the complications was the hold harmless.
14:17:55 Because typically the architect is responsible for really typically errors and emissions.
14:18:02 And and if there's no architect that we have to address well, who holds the the liability and so those are the types of questions that we're looking at now, how can per could
we do it after her tenure
14:18:20 ends and and then what are the issues that that presents And so that's the junction that we are right at this current moment.
14:18:30 Great 10Â min. Not good. The last thing of commissioner brotherson is that these plants are are really for only 400 square feet, and so that may not meet all of the community's
interests, as well, and so
14:18:47 That's one of the other reasons that We were looking other plans that might have larger envelopes.
14:18:56 Okay, thank you. I mean I I think something's better than nothing.
14:19:01 And having one out there, I think, really makes a path of of lowered barriers.
14:19:05 So i'm i'm really excited about any of the options which everyone happens first.
14:19:12 Then i'm gonna move on to transient or vacation housing and as I did right in the staff reporter really wanted to thank the both Commissioners eisenhower and or Dean for for
14:19:27 helping staff on this issue. it's been recognized Commissioner Dean.
14:19:36 Has I identified a technical Resource Graniteus and Commissioner Eisenhower is also identified a technical resource, and that in Javelin County Commissioner Bob Boogard who
Who's
14:19:49 work with the community identified that a tier approach.
14:19:58 Might serve the community best, and and I at that juncture I just wanted to give the Commissioners an opportunity to share
14:20:07 Sure i'll i'll jump in and rent. I'm not sure if you were listening last week, but the the the board did decide. I can't remember we actually took action or if it was just an
agreement that we did want to move forward
14:20:25 with some sort of regulation around transient or short term or vacation rental properties.
14:20:33 And so, of course. How how we do that with dCD is is part of what we're here to talk about today.
14:20:39 But yeah. So you know, we continue to get great data from Granitechus.
14:20:45 They, in my last meeting with them, informed me that since the last time we had met less than a year before, about 8 months before, that the 40 new vacation rentals had popped
up on various websites in the county and that did
14:21:01 not distinguish between within city limits or not.
14:21:06 But you know we we it's it's just surprising to me still how many are being added which we can assume? you know at least a chance of those are being taken out of the long term
rental market for our own
14:21:17 residents and workers and stuff. So yeah, really hope that we can find a way to do this work with
14:21:25 Dcd: and certainly the this working board would like to be an asset and helping share shape.
14:21:34 What that looks like. and I I would just add that yeah I've had multiple conversations with Commissioner Boogart from Shalan County.
14:21:43 And then the last one I had was with 2 staff members from the Housing solutions network.
14:21:49 Myself and Commissioner Bogart, and through those conversations i've learned that it was a pretty intensive effort for them.
14:21:56 They did have to get some consulting capacity, and assign a staff person to developing that policy for their county, and then over the course of at the just over 2 years, I
think the policy has been in place they amended it
14:22:16 to to create the tiered program that you mentioned brent which recognize that there were different kinds of transient housing opportunities in the county, and different kinds
of ownerships of those and that what they didn't want
14:22:36 to do was disincentivize residents of the community from sharing like an ad on their property, or an extra room in their house.
14:22:46 If they were, if they were living there. But what they wanted to do was disincentivize or create a create a greater threshold for entry for folks who might just build a second.
14:23:03 A first or second property in Shalan County, just for the purpose of transient rentals.
14:23:08 With the I I maybe in the future of retiring there.
14:23:12 So that they did create a tiered program. and are finding that to be much more kind of compatible with their needs. So
14:23:23 I think i've shared commissioner Boogard's contact information, and the notes from that meeting with you.
14:23:27 Brent and i'm happy to talk to you more about that relationship.
14:23:33 But I found it super enlightening to talk with him.
14:23:39 Thank you, Commissioner, and for the board. I want the Board to be aware that of the project discussed.
14:23:48 So far the affordable housing study and implementation strategies has not been assigned to any member of the team.
14:23:57 Nor has the incentive programs and nor has the transient housing code revision.
14:24:06 So. Those 3 items have no owner just yet.
14:24:11 Okay, And so we're gonna keep going development regulations for temporary housing facilities.
14:24:20 That is assigned a planner planner
14:24:23 Joel Peterson and the Bocc. adopted on June thirteenth.
14:24:29 An ordinance with development regulations. And that was really the last opportunity.
14:24:35 As you interim control would expire before any other meeting.
14:24:43 And so the adopted ordinance is going through additional review. spareheaded by Commissioner Brotherton was been meeting with community partners to identify additional edits
that are responsive to local needs.
14:24:58 So. Commissioner Brotherton, is there anything who would like to share?
14:25:01 Sure you know. I think we're gonna meet tomorrow and i'll go over specific notes with you, but i'll just share the one.
14:25:07 Take away kind of process wise that I shared at our our briefing this morning, and that's that, you know we had a kind of written like an ordinance. I think, when when it got
to the planning Commission and through that whole
14:25:19 public process, and then after that it was codified. And so it was really hard to compare the the version.
14:25:28 That was the last publicly contributed to in planning commission version to the one that we deliberated on and ultimately passed.
14:25:40 I think there might be a few things we'll see if everyone agrees that that would be worthwhile for opening it up.
14:25:45 But I think just going forward. The biggest biggest takeaway. from me is just to increase the transparency on these processes, having as fundamentally at the position, you know,
at plan. if there's going to be a significant
14:26:00 format revision. do that before it leaves the planning commission.
14:26:04 I think I don't know if that makes if there's a a systemic reason not to do that.
14:26:10 But that's my big takeaway so far and then i'm gonna move on to regulatory reform and just the something that has come up in the housing funds board is recognition that we need
to
14:26:30 update our 5 year plan for homelessness, and then we have really insufficient data to be informing that.
14:26:40 And so as much as I don't want to add additional things to this list, and I I think it it makes sense to probably include in this in this list a a need for gathering data, and
you know I know
14:26:58 we're going to be talking about kind of who's going to do what and what can be what could be potentially hired out?
14:27:04 But I I I think it would make sense since we have such a long list of things we're doing to identify the what kind of data we need to inform all of these processes.
14:27:15 Thank you. Let me add one thing on top of that. Just that.
14:27:18 We also asked Hud as part of how America if they might be able to get us some of that data.
14:27:24 So we're you know there's multiple approaches going on so just let's make sure we keep them for me.
14:27:32 Thank you and we'll add that up to the work plan and it's so close to item one B.
14:27:42 I I wanna look to see if it could be incorporated there.
14:27:48 Then i'm moving on the next item is number 2 regulatory reform. and so I want the hardened on this too long, because we do have a presentation.
14:28:04 Coming and another agenda item schedule today.
14:28:06 It's just as you know we do have a 3 groups and it's moving.
14:28:12 So i'm gonna just breeze past this one just because that's a for today.
14:28:18 And then any other areas. josh, Maybe you wanna share.
14:28:26 Can I just make one for the for the benefit of the public?
14:28:31 The the attack. Report goes into a lot of the details that you've shared with us today just the the attachment on the agenda, and really digs into each of these items that people
want to understand more and I find
14:28:41 it very helpful. So thank you and and so the the next one after regulatory form sort of is
14:28:53 The state mandated shoreline master program and and it might have some relationship. So i'll let the josh share.
14:29:02 It's the Colonel here is that we are in the middle of an smp update process.
14:29:10 Smp being Charlie Master program, and We did have a meeting with the Department of Ecology last week, and we've been waiting.
14:29:18 We had been waiting for their comments for quite a while and they're about to give us their informal comments, but they wanted to discuss them first and ask some clarifying
questions.
14:29:28 So essentially we have it on our task list to go back to the planning commission first of all, to analyze the comments as they come in from ecology.
14:29:35 See what changes may be required, or what changes we'd like to make. Go back to the planning commission, and So eventually the Board will have the smp in front of you for a
final adoption process in the coming months and there
14:29:51 are some in terms of Brent mentioned number 2 regulatory form.
14:29:54 There are some aspects of the S. and P. update that are part of implementation of the resolution that the Board passed a few years back about regulatory reform.
14:30:06 So just like makes a quick example, or the most obvious example of that would be changing the way that we look at existing structures and expanding those structures along the
shoreline.
14:30:21 So so far as the expansion doesn't go water word the expansion is lateral or landward.
14:30:26 Then we had been treating those as a type of conditional use when which has a very specific meeting in Shoreline Management Act.
14:30:34 And so one of the changes would be to to acknowledge that that would be just a substantial development permit, and not a not a condition.
14:30:43 Use.
14:30:48 And then another area. that we've identified is is the existing comprehensive plan Docket, And so, without really going into detail on A.
14:31:00 And B Josh did mention another area. And you might wanna just repeat that.
14:31:07 Yeah, this would just be where, instead of be actually, we would have a package that relates specifically to the Uga.
14:31:20 And that would be to make sure that, anything adopted in the pending sewer ordinance is reflected in the unified development code as well as taking another look at the primary
service area for the sewer treatment
14:31:37 system, and to look at the commercial zone in particular, a few different terms were thrown around earlier in the discussion, such as Overlay district or or some other, but
some other way.
14:31:48 But really I just I see that as more just what tool you're using. So it could be that simply the types of uses that were allowed in the commercial zone are adjusted.
14:31:56 That does require some analysis, because every time you you look at that urban zoning, it was done under a specific set of assumptions.
14:32:04 And so those need to be revisited, I would say at this time,
14:32:06 Just to make sure that they're all internally consistent But we're looking at that package and of course that would be a public process just mentioned.
14:32:15 Before, So we'll get the ideas of the community including those property owners.
14:32:17 That would be most directly affected by any changes to that urban zoning
14:32:26 One item was mentioned earlier. and Commissioner Dean, you had to step away for a moment, and I just wanted to before I move on to the next slide.
14:32:35 The The area that we were looking at was one B 3 incentive programs
14:32:43 And so, under incentive programs, the State authorizes tax examines.
14:32:49 For certainly missing middle housing. It could be larger.
14:32:52 It could be multi-family. but they used to turn missing middle of taxabit and 8 12 and 20 years, but evidently because our county is considered rural.
14:33:04 We're not able to benefit from that so that's one of the areas that when I talked with the the prosecuting attorney's office that we all agree that that's an area that might
be right for the
14:33:16 legislative staring community to look at. Why is it only available for a community like Seattle or city like Seattle or King County?
14:33:25 We have similar issues. and so that might be a a a quick one.
14:33:31 And and we did include, I think I did include in the staff report the Rcw.
14:33:37 That are the road plots, and if I haven't i'm just pulling that up right now.
14:33:43 I I would be more than willing to circle back and provide those to you.
14:33:50 Thank you.
14:33:55 And then i'm gonna move on some of the new projects that we've talked about is the fee ordinance, so we've recognized the need to ensure that our fees are up to date we have
a lot
14:34:06 of unrecoverable costs. Mitigation monitoring is not envisioned in the plan large projects.
14:34:16 When I worked another county I realized that they had always a large project fee, and that originated because they had a project applicant come in and propose a 1,000 homes,
and they spent $200,000 and Then the applicant
14:34:35 disappeared. And so so some of these are best practices. that other governments implement zoom. we're trying to update our feet orders to make sure that it is addresses those
best practices.
14:34:47 Another one is come to the Board has been a commercial property.
14:34:53 Assess clean energy and resilience, and we do recognize that as a way for property owners in the community, residential or commercial, to access, financing, for qualifying energy
efficiency, renewable energy water
14:35:13 conservation and resiliency improvements of their buildings.
14:35:19 The financing stage with the property rather than with the building and so we're talking often larger amorization periods the program does require an administrative manager,
and so we do have a group of the model documents but
14:35:40 there has been a recommendation. that So certain of the documents receive legal review specifically in the municipal research of service center identifies 9 areas that our legal
team would need to provide a analysis and
14:36:00 that's in addition to our doing some of the analysis on staff resources.
14:36:07 Really Any questions about that item are those 2 items that fee ordinance, and, what I call the commercial commercial property assess clean energy and see Pacer.
14:36:22 And then the the third one is our there's been recognition of the need for us to look at permanent housing facilities for those that are unhoused.
14:36:33 So temporary housing facilities which just adopted as mentioned the thirteenth, and so we're looking at what's the next phase for providing a permanent supportive housing.
14:36:45 And so this is one of the areas that we've been looking at, and it's been going to be facilitating existing development such as our casual brown site.
14:36:57 Any questions about that. I mean, I have. I have a comment on it.
14:37:02 I think we went into that in some detail and last couple of weeks, just to offer my suggestion on simplifying again.
14:37:09 I think there was a mostly consensus that This decision is not really a land use decision that we'd want in front of the hearing exam, or more of a political decision. the of
the primary calculation and that that type 5
14:37:25 way with doing a central public facility. is more in in line with the decision points that we see. I I think I don't know if i'm speaking out of turn.
14:37:37 So I guess I think that's what we hiding do you agree with that, too.
14:37:40 I know Kate, and I said it. I think so.
14:37:49 2 and a half people are, are fully in favor of the type.
14:37:53 5 pathway, I guess. just to inform your thought processes as you go for, and that'll be coming back to the board.
14:38:06 So there's no reason for a decision. Now then i'm gonna move on to the next slide, and this is a prioritization.
14:38:15 This is the hardest task that the Board may have.
14:38:21 We have assume that the number one priority of the board is our current planning applications.
14:38:31 Those persons in the community that are paying for services.
14:38:36 Should we see the first level of attention? in February? The wait for a new permit was 6 to 8 weeks, but we started to see increased demand.
14:38:51 And it has moved to 8 to 10 weeks for permit.
14:38:57 And so is that an acceptable level of service for board? that's a question that's where we are now
14:39:06 And so The next step would be that and this is an option of the Board that, if there's more work provided to the department, it they have the potential of increasing the weight
times.
14:39:25 If it's not supplemented by additional staffing also started to this year.
14:39:35 Have customer assistance meetings. that was mentioned earlier.
14:39:37 We we did see that show up in our statistics and we're gonna report back with some additional So this is an assumption of staff that the Board considers the fee paying customers
in and I just was look forward
14:39:54 to hear a little discussion. if that is accurate.
14:40:04 Ideally There, wouldn't be a conflict between the 2 but
14:40:13 I mean Obviously it's it's like the front burner right? It's what's burning on the front burner.
14:40:17 People walking through the door every day, and it feels like being responsive is absolutely the right priority.
14:40:25 It's just unfortunate that it's in conflict with so many other priorities. Right?
14:40:33 So I think that's true rent I just like to remind everyone that the Board did approve 2 additional fte for community community to development last year.
14:40:48 And even with the addition of those staff members their short staff, and there's a limit to how much support the general fund can provide.
14:40:56 So some compromise on service level standards.
14:41:02 But unfortunately might might be unavoidable I I guess my i'm not sure where we were 2 years ago. I at more like 6 to 8 weeks, I mean at the I would assume the red means that
it's worse now or longer
14:41:19 wait to get permits processed, and that's correct.
14:41:26 They want to sit 8 to 10 in February of this year, Yeah.
14:41:29 And I I mean I think that's unfortunate I would love to get it back to you know 4 to 6, really.
14:41:36 But I my My fundamental question here is, as we get DCD.
14:41:40 Fully staffed up. do you see more. I mean there's planning work, and there's permit work, and they they they cross over each other, but I will, I mean, I think we are getting
to the point It seems like in some of the presentations that we really
14:41:53 do have dedicated planners that are really working on long term planning, and I I guess my ideal would be, you know, a shorter level of service on this and dedicated planners
that are focused on the those
14:42:08 long term planning priorities that we talked about already.
14:42:12 And I is that what those are those Well, one of the things that the Board needs to be able of is that typically in recessions a long range planning is usually the first thing
that goes.
14:42:25 And so, what that typically means is that and and i've seen this happen.
14:42:30 Some other governments is that, for example, Baybridge Island essentially eliminated long Range planet.
14:42:38 During the last recession. we did 2 and I think that was a mistake, I guess. What i'm saying is. it's maybe not at least for me.
14:42:44 An absolute priority. it's something that you have to manage both streams simultaneously, and we want to keep.
14:42:49 I mean there's a lot of important stuff happening on the planning, so you can maintain, I guess, 8 to 10 weeks, and still be, you know, prioritizing some planners efforts onto
some of these more aspirational
14:43:04 projects that you know we and others have put in front of DCD.
14:43:08 I think a balanced approach is probably my preference, and I just wanted to add one other component there.
14:43:16 And this is sort of a new austin approach that I wanted to make sure that you understand that the long range planning is often a theoretical, and that it's often helpful for
the long rates planets to understand and also
14:43:30 implement current planning, so that they understand the implications of the plans that are morally theoretical in an actual application.
14:43:41 So I I i've always I struggle with this but I I i'm learning.
14:43:46 I've learned over the years that that it really is good to have an understanding of both sides of the house. Well, it comes up against, you know, when we say long range planning.
14:43:57 We have a short term problem, you know, so long range the terminologies in conflict, right of long range planning.
14:44:04 But we have a short term housing problem, so you know, maybe maybe we should call it.
14:44:10 Short term housing planning instead of long range planning I don't know. but all those all the you know topics that we just talked about, and the categories of no work that
needs to be done is really getting at the housing
14:44:27 shortage. absolutely true. So i'll move, on to but we identified as priority Number 2 seems like this consensus that priority number one really should be the current planning.
14:44:43 And then, what we typically do is whenever there's a an interim control or an emergency ordinance.
14:44:49 That places it at a higher level of priority. And so, we have, a or eliminated that in our control for the temporary housing facilities.
14:45:03 But we still have one left, and that is the log record.
14:45:07 So we've identified that as priority number 2 and I just wanted to have a discussion to ensure that.
14:45:16 This is correct, I agree. Yeah, okay, good so i'm glad for that.
14:45:27 And so then, we're getting now turn to look at the next priorities, and some of the considerations in selection of that we've shared with you
14:45:40 The impact potentially on current planning by having planners assigned.
14:45:44 But I wanted to talk about the other option is the one that we've been using, and it has been obtaining trans consultants, and I just want to talk about our our efforts to obtain
consultants in the 9
14:45:59 months, or actually 11 months, that i've been here in every single first attempt.
14:46:05 Let me see 0 proposals. Okay, i'm starting first with the hearing Examiner.
14:46:14 We receive. Excuse me, we receive one proposal and to deem that that wasn't sufficient. we need to have more proposals are just one for the flood control assistance.
14:46:28 Account, Grant, we receive 0 proposal. We ended up finding a way to soul source to one of the persons who had written to us.
14:46:37 The same issue occurred with the measurement equivalent residential unit.
14:46:42 And now we've reached out to all the persons that have responded, and
14:46:48 One of them. does still seem interesting so we're trying to see if we can get a proposal from that one.
14:46:56 But I wanted to give you this as a backdrop because typically when you don't have resources, you go to consultants.
14:47:03 And so what we're finding is that that option that has been the standard bearer of every government I've been in is not as as viable as it has been in the past.
14:47:19 Do you have any analysis as to why is it just the same staff?
14:47:21 Shortage that we have everywhere. I think there are multiple reasons.
14:47:27 One is that, and I and I I would assume that you know how we talked about what happened in the last recession.
14:47:34 We lost a lot of the general contractors in our region.
14:47:38 They want belly up. But we never really talked about what happened to the planning organizations in the last reception from talking with community members, that many of the
local planning organizations Cascade majona that
14:47:55 will service in our community no longer exist and so if that's a consequence of something that happened in the last recession.
14:48:04 I can't. say but but we are finding that We're looking at the same resources as large ministries like the department of Ecology.
14:48:17 But we're now not finding we're finding organizations that are more taxed because they're handling the project for many different municipalities at the same time and I don't
know
14:48:34 Josh, is there anything that you might add?
14:48:43 Yeah, I guess the only thing I would add is that if we were to look at seeking consultant services for some of the programs that we have on tap, or that we'd like to accomplish
that would possibly free up some of our
14:48:59 own staff's time work on permits. however, we could also take another attack which would be to seek consultant services to help process permits, or to allow some of our staff
who have long range planning experience to focus more of their
14:49:14 time on those planning projects that we want to accomplish as well.
14:49:19 So a couple of different ways to approach that. and as Brendan, I think, was suggesting, or as account administrators mentioned, we we have added staff.
14:49:29 Some of our staff, or most of our staffers permanent status.
14:49:32 But we have staff that are actually temporary status, and so we would need to be thoughtful in terms of our own staff resources.
14:49:39 As we approach a different state of affairs and I use and so that's one of the ideas behind talking about consultant services.
14:49:51 If there's budget for it and then just select selecting what type of consultant services we can
14:49:59 Okay.
14:50:00 So so with that John here. I wanted to point out that I believe we are a little overtime.
14:50:08 We had scheduled for 1Â h. and I believe we're an hour and 20Â min is that correct?
14:50:13 Okay, So I just wanna be cognizant of the time, and that I believe that there are people here that wish to provide comment.
14:50:20 And so I I would suggest board would such to one we've identified the first and second priorities.
14:50:29 And Really, the second part is a housing priority that I did have.
14:50:37 I do have another presentation coming to you where we're gonna look at 5 areas really housing infrastructure intergovernmental fiscal, And then other.
14:50:50 And then we could prioritize a later session, and to enable the community members to speak and to provide their their concerns.
14:50:59 And and and and aspirations. going forward, Brent, did.
14:51:07 We also have a legal out of record workshop today?
14:51:10 Okay, So we have a lot of the lot of around the cover.
14:51:17 Yes, we do so. should we ask if there's anybody on the attendee list Who would like to come in now?
14:51:22 Just based on what we've heard so far I mean if if we get too much information, then we might lose
14:51:30 You know the opportunity for comment to be German to what we've just talked about so I could put up our project list
14:51:41 So is there anybody on the line now on the attendee list Who or on the phone?
14:51:49 Who would like to make public comment if you're interested in making a comment.
14:51:52 You can use the raise hand button at the bottom of the zoom screen, or if you're on the phone, you can press Star 9 to be brought over, and then Star 6 to unmute is there anybody
interested in making a comment at this
14:52:04 time see one hand going up, and so you will be brought over, and then you will need to use Star 6 to unmute.
14:52:17 Wait till I see you brought over caller ending, and 6, 6, 7 needs to be brought over.
14:52:24 Carolyn. Yeah, i've asked them to unmute .
14:52:28 We'll have to hit star 6 there you go Okay, great caller ending, and 6 6 7.
14:52:35 You have 3Â min for comment. Yeah, I would just like to comment i'm wondering.
14:52:44 Have have you guys even covered the moreatorium no that's the legal record agenda item that's still coming up. So that's that's the area that I would like to comment on I just
I've been on the call for a while
14:53:00 and wasn't sure how it was going, to get incorporated into this or at what point? So it'll be somewhere between now and 4 o'clock, or something.
14:53:09 Yeah, Brent, When do you imagine okay, so that's the next item up.
14:53:16 So just hanging and hang on for a bit. Yeah.
14:53:20 Yeah, So it's I'll just hit star 9 again? Where do I hit?
14:53:27 Start 6, 6, I believe. Start 9 to raise your hand when that time comes.
14:53:39 Right. Thank you. Everyone
14:53:39 Right. Thank you. everyone. i'm sorry to jump in there okay i'll wait.
14:53:43 Okay, Anybody else would need to comment on the conversation We've been having for the last hour and 20Â min on the DCD work work program prioritization.
14:53:57 Raise your hand using the raise hand. Button is that a bottom of the zoom screen. or if you're a caller machine to comment on this subject, Press Star 9.
14:54:08 Okay, I'm not seeing any other hands. Go up so let's move on to the next item.
14:54:14 Brent. Okay, i'm gonna remove my powerpoint? oh, okay, Can I come into my last slide?
14:54:21 Your head up. Yes, friends. so, my I think my my preference would be that, you know, while we are still in a a time of both high revenues coming into your department.
14:54:36 But also hi general fundraising, and some potentially some one time. monies.
14:54:43 From other sources my interest would be in using that to to try to get through some of this backlog of of planning work, and I guess i'd say i'd leave it up to the department
to figure out what you think
14:54:57 you could more easily get consultants to do, and what would serve your department best.
14:55:02 But I i'm I think that we're in a position right now to to try to push some of these through with consultants, and would really consider that our our most viable option right
now. you know we we just do not want
14:55:19 to be the the backlog on housing issues. right now we need to be doing everything we can to insure, you know, some semblance of livability in this community, and if we can help
move that along while we have some
14:55:31 revenues right now. it's a real priority for me, I concur, and I would say to Josh's point about what's what kind of consultant is easiest to get you know maybe you should
14:55:42 try them all and see which one you know what sticks to the wall and i'm not a half on that one i'm falling on that agree with that priority.
14:55:52 So then other question that would post for the board i'm just gonna go back here real briefly is that you know, if you see the port Habd Iondale urban growth area the affordable
14:56:13 housing the study and then the short term rentals that cool
14:56:30 The 2 of them has no, no one is assigned.
14:56:35 The third one. The person assigned is really right now focused exclusively on the current planning side, meaning addressing the application that we have for the super system.
14:56:46 So forming a current planning function, not the planning, not not a long range plan with which would look at the overlay and josh the way in any time that you was on this.
14:56:59 But I would think that based upon what i've heard today about the need for the 5 year plan to be updated that back to be combined with the affordable housing study and implementation
strategies and then the second component
14:57:20 of that is that we do have this really urgent need to make sure that the sewer project that that it addresses the housing need.
14:57:29 Yeah, that's at the top of my list nothing you asked.
14:57:34 So so i'm almost feeling, and then the third being the transient housing that I've heard of the board discussed last week.
14:57:44 So those sound like, the top 3 but there's actually another one which is the permanent housing, because that's that's imminent. But it's a it's project driven so we could consider
that current planning
14:57:56 again
14:58:01 Do. we have multiple number ones. I forgot how this works so what what we have Number one right now, current planning number 2 lot of record.
14:58:13 So. And now we're trying to figure out what will be and i'm just gonna go back.
14:58:18 So this was yeah number one so current planning. And so I guess we can consider the the permanent housing facilities under current planning.
14:58:29 And then number 2 is a lot of record and so Then number 3 I'm sorry we don't have number 3 listed here, but number 3 would be what i'm hearing is the affordable housing study
along
14:58:43 with the that 5 year implementation, because that reports out is is no longer due.
14:58:49 The transient rentals and then what was the and then the I mean, I would put port headlock pretty high, and I I i'm not still sure the best path to the 5 year plan on how affordable
housing and
14:59:07 homelessness i'm not sure if dCD should be a lead on that with with limited capacity. I mean it's now we brought it up in this context.
14:59:14 I just I'm just not sure I Guess I I feel like the other issues are absolutely DCD.
14:59:19 And are probably well, more timely, though, and then i'm gonna the 5 Year Plan, which we need. you know lots of data for.
14:59:26 But it's not necessarily data from dCD
14:59:31 Although it is something that could pretty easily be rolled into an Rfp.
14:59:36 For any of these other projects that's true yeah
14:59:45 Yeah, I think I think if you can get any any idea of kind of who is available, and what kind of work they're available for that might drive this more than exactly what we want,
I would I would just throw in the Commissioner Burger.
15:00:02 Did work with a great consultant on their transient housing.
15:00:03 Policy. so I think starting with him would be a good
15:00:13 So I I think We've got direction and enough to to make the next step, and and and come back to you with more information.
15:00:21 As soon as we have available. we have those 3 items identified as moving to the top of the pack.
15:00:27 Can I make one more comment just on the transient rental?
15:00:31 You know, kind of which path we go down. It sounds like the the path of Shalan County is needs a consultant and staff time and the Grannicus path is one that we have essentially
a consultant on the hook
15:00:46 already it's it just seems like if we're trying to make choices right now.
15:00:52 I'm not sure the granite is going to be the right one, but it's a consultant on the hook essentially, that might be able to take the capacity needed, even down the line.
15:01:03 If we you know that path is a you know just a permit pathway that grannicus manages, I mean, that's kind of like a a staff free i'm sure not entirely but a largely staff free
one so
15:01:14 i'm i'm wondering if we want what choose a path now and see how it at least walk a couple of miles on one path instead of the 2 that were traveling currently and through the
chair.
15:01:26 I just wanted to make The point of clarification on my end.
15:01:31 Understanding is that granite is just really there are data analytics firm, and so they'll help us identify what what we have that's not being regulated.
15:01:40 I didn't think that they drafted legislation at the community outreach, and so they do have they have a service provider, I think, was actually on contract to them.
15:01:52 Who does help with ordinance and they're pretty full service, and and Brenton, i'm including you on an invitation sending an invitation to you right now to see if you're able
to join in a call tomorrow with
15:02:04 Grannicus. they yeah, they they have quite a oh, a wide suite available.
15:02:12 I did not know that. thank you Yeah, and I I wasn't offering up the shilling.
15:02:18 We should follow Shannon County's path I just thought we could learn from where they miss misstepped in a few places potentially, and for what they did right because they did
quite a bit right in terms of community
15:02:33 outreach and engagement. Thank you. Commission Eisenhower.
15:02:39 I love hearing how someone did something wrong as Well, as right when often when you don't want to repeat the same mistake
15:02:49 So at that juncture, I guess we are ready to move on to the next agenda.
15:02:54 Item through the chair. Is that your yeah very good so as is listed on the agenda? Then we we Brian joins us right?
15:03:05 That's correct. So Caroline if you see brian and the I don't.
15:03:11 Oh, yeah, there he is. Bring Brian Benjamin over there.
15:03:18 He is great. So who's our are is brian gonna to this one up, or Brent, or who's gonna t this one up. I'll let Josh and Brian t this up i'm just gonna
15:03:33 fill my water a couple of we keep going here. Okay, yeah.
15:03:39 Commissioner eisenhower. So Brian Benjamin is the assistant planner with department He's been taking the lead on the legal lot of record project.
15:03:47 He started out, just as everyone has the the longer view on this, as person assigned to do some research tasks with it.
15:03:55 But over time assumed lead responsibility for this project and has been working with the planning commission and other groups, and they'll go into a little bit of detail on
that in a brief slide.
15:04:05 Presentation. I think there's a half a dozen Slides that probably can go over.
15:04:09 So go ahead. Go ahead, Brian. Great. Thank you, Josh.
15:04:11 Just wanna make sure that my microphone is working before I get started.
15:04:14 Great thank you. i'm gonna share my screen here and just make sure that everything's working.
15:04:22 I've got split screen. So okay before I get started i'm gonna move the slides back and forth.
15:04:32 Are you seeing slide change? Yeah. Okay. Great: Thank you. Okay. Good afternoon.
15:04:39 Excuse me. Good afternoon, Commissioner Dean, and members of the Board for the Record.
15:04:44 I am Brian Benjamin, assistant planner with the Department of Community Development, and today's presentation will detail the schedule and process for establishing legal out
of record policy free pre 1,971
15:04:56 Platts affected by the current Development Moratorium.
15:05:02 This presentation will detail the process of developing outreach and educational goals for the legal out of our project.
15:05:09 The recent planning Commission recommendation to extend the Appreach process and Moreatorium to develop effective regulations and Dcds recommended actions to the port
15:05:24 Okay on to project development. This is bracken background information for us all to consider before we start our discussion.
15:05:35 So since December of 2021 CCD.
15:05:38 Has worked with 3 advisory groups and internal county technical advisory team.
15:05:43 Stay stakeholder group, consisting of real estate brokers and agents from the community, and the Planning commission to develop educational materials and outreach processes
to prepare for public engagement process that will help the department
15:05:59 establish legal out of record policies that meet the public's expectations DCD.
15:06:07 Is held a total of 18 meetings with these advisory groups.
15:06:12 Most recently on June fifteenth, where Dc. met with the Planning Commission to discuss final drafts of the project's, communications plan and Arc Gis storyman, which is an educational
online document functions as a website throughout
15:06:29 the Project Development process. The Planning Commission outlined 3 points of emphasis.
15:06:35 The Dcds. Communications on the legal out of record issue should meet first, that outreach should be specifically targeted to reach all property owners within pre- 1971 plants.
15:06:48 Disease property owners will be most directly impacted. A new legal lot of record policy.
15:06:54 Then the Planning Commission advised that there should be ample and advanced notice of public participation, opportunities to ensure that public input is maximized.
15:07:08 And thirdly, that the planning commission indicated that it wish to work with VCD.
15:07:11 Is a body of the whole organizing and facilitating public meetings for the legal out of record issue.
15:07:21 2 teams, those broad outreach principles. VCD.
15:07:26 Created the communication plan for the legal aud of record project which defines specific outreach actions.
15:07:32 This plan includes 13 communications at the advisory teams identified as necessary for completing an effective outreach cycle.
15:07:42 These include 3 communications: that target property owners within pre 1971 plots and 10 communications available to the general public.
15:07:52 These actions were scheduled to be completed over the month of July, dedicating 4 weeks to the outreach component of the project, is important to note that not all of these
communication actions have been assigned
15:08:05 to DCD. staff due to workload constraints throughout the project development process.
15:08:13 The public and the county's. advisory teams indicated that roomust community outreach excuse me. Community engagement would benefit this project effectively completing all communication
actions recommended by these advisory teams may
15:08:29 benefit from an extension of the public outreach process onto the planning commission's, recommendations.
15:08:39 So the June fifteenth, planning Commission meeting members of the Planning Commission advocated the DCD.
15:08:45 Consider extending the outreach process in order to facilitate a meaningful public outreach process
15:08:54 The Planning Commission provided 2 reasons for the recommendation: First, that planning commissioners who have conducted that reaching the community before, feel that the public
in Jefferson County is less available for participating in public engagement processes than in other times of the
15:09:14 year. In essence. that summer is a difficult time to reach.
15:09:17 People. Then the Commissioners expressed that, due to the complexity of this issue, the public would benefit from more time to be educated in order to reach and affected effective
and community vetted regulatory solution.
15:09:38 So the planning commission's recommended process for extension is to repeat the July public Outreach cycle.
15:09:45 The 13 communication meaning the 13 communication actions defined in communication plan.
15:09:50 Again in the fall, repeating the communication cycle As DCD.
15:09:56 To receive initial public input on the issue without delay and prepare to engage with key ideas.
15:10:03 Again in the fall.
15:10:07 Okay onto our recommendation which is really a request for guidance and how to proceed.
15:10:16 According to 2 options, we have our first option, which would be to not extend the moratorium and keep the community current communication schedule.
15:10:26 Dcd. has identified initial pros and cons. for this option not extending the Moratorium has 2 clear benefits: first, that the project is completed by the October deadline originally
set by the
15:10:40 moratorium, and second, the completion of the project.
15:10:44 According to the original project, Timeline allows DCD.
15:10:47 To allocate staff or resources to other planning projects.
15:10:52 In future, however, keeping the current schedule may limit public participation.
15:10:57 Oper opportunity, and creates a short timeline for completing the communication actions that were identified as appropriate.
15:11:05 This type of regulatory change, our second option would be to extend the moratorium to provide a more robust communication, schedule and extending the moratorium, provides more
time to execute a community guided
15:11:21 outreach process and provide staff with more time to develop regulations based on community input.
15:11:30 However, extending the moratorium means extending the work on this project beyond the original schedule, and may leave property, owners and applicants in waiting.
15:11:40 Further extending the moreatorium ties up staff capacity in the legal out of record project for a longer period of time.
15:11:50 That's really the overview of the situation and what we'd like guidance on
15:11:59 We can proceed, if it pleases the Board with opening things up to public comment or to discussion, and then decide on direction.
15:12:11 Thank you. It seems like it might be good to do our public comment.
15:12:14 Period now, so that, deliberation that the Board has a includes consideration of public comment.
15:12:22 We receive and then we'll move on to discussion does that work for everybody.
15:12:29 Okay, So community members who are on the attendee list.
15:12:37 If you are here to comment on this agenda item regarding legal lots of record, please raise your hand using the raise hand button at the bottom of your zoom screen or bypressing
star 9.
15:12:54 If you're on the phone I see that our caller ending and 6 6 7.
15:12:59 Remember the instructions so. he'll be brought over first you'll need to accept the promotion to panelists or no.
15:13:04 They can just unmute from there right? carolyn by Okay, So caller ending in 6, 6, 7 You'll have 3Â min for comment.
15:13:17 And then anyone else who's interested in commenting on this item the legal lot of record Item: subdivision moratorium.
15:13:24 Please raise your hand using the raise hand button at the bottom of the zoom screen or prior pressing Star 9 on the phone. So Caller ending, and 6 6 7.
15:13:33 The floor is yours. Thank you. My name is John Litke, and I purchased Lot 38 of tales.
15:13:43 Shore in December, and we closed on the property on January tenth of 2022
15:13:55 I understood there was a moratorium when I purchased the property in October.
15:13:56 I knew we'd come soon enough and I called the county I talked to people in the building department.
15:14:03 They got me in touch with David Wayne Johnson.
15:14:09 I had the conversation with him, and I tried to do my due diligence.
15:14:11 I hired a septic contractor, who said he could definitely do a septic on that property.
15:14:16 I had a Geo. study done to make sure I could build on it, and they said it's definitely buildable in this particular footprint.
15:14:23 I got pretty excited. we. My wife grew up in Washington.
15:14:28 We live in Chicago, and we're relocating back to Washington to retire.
15:14:33 So we went ahead David Wayne, Johnson said he didn't see any reason why, over the the a year's time that you could do your new diligence and and have the moratorium lifted by
15:14:42 October twelfth but he couldn't guarantee it.
15:14:45 I understand that. however. with this is done i'm trying to sell a home move across country, build a home, rent a home, and my wife got diagnosed January twentieth with breast
cancer So my my whole my whole
15:15:02 intensity of this project has got accelerated.
15:15:07 My doctors on would be island we've been flying back and forth. seeing him, and this whole thing being up in the air, I I I called a week or so ago, and Brian benjamin gave
me all the links to this he's been very
15:15:22 communicative with me back and forth, telling me I can get on these forums, and we can also, you know, give our input, and my input is simply that I was thinking, okay.
15:15:35 Between. Now, in October I could get my approach done.
15:15:38 I could. I did my land plan, already already paid. An architect acting flew an architect out.
15:15:44 He helped me lay out the site. plan already i've identified every single tree that we can save.
15:15:50 I paid somebody to identify every tree on the lot, every other lot around me.
15:15:55 There is completely clear cut. My My house is going to be tucked in a little too bedroom house on the top of the hill, and now it just feels like maybe I made a big mistake
buying the property.
15:16:05 And I should have probably not bought it with the moratorium.
15:16:10 It should have been a warning flag for me that's my feeling so.
15:16:14 I'm thinking if you are going to extend the Moratorium, does that mean since you you picked December twentieth, as the magic date, anybody that had their property before December
twentieth is not
15:16:26 affected everybody. After December twentieth which I was January tenth, i'm affected so I can't do anything.
15:16:37 If I had been lucky enough to close on December twentieth.
15:16:38 The only reason I didn't close on december fifteenth is because the owners of the property didn't want the tank to put next year.
15:16:46 So they pushed my clothes, and can just January tenth.
15:16:49 So by 16 days I missed my whole life plan here and if you're going to extend the moratorium.
15:16:56 I think. Then you need to. You know you should consider extending, and give me a little bit of light at the end of the tunnel.
15:17:02 Extend my date that I can build, you know. Maybe that gets pushed out.
15:17:07 Then to February, and then you know the people that are, you know I to keep me sitting and waiting?
15:17:15 A year and a half and I can't do an approach I can't even do you know what I understand from the moratorium.
15:17:21 I can't even put my approach in and cut my driveway I can't even access my property.
15:17:26 Okay, that's that's 3Â min it's pretty frustrating.
15:17:32 Alright, so that that's I think you get to just Yeah, We appreciate you coming, and we we do understand your concerns.
15:17:40 If is there anybody else who's joined us on the attendee list today?
15:17:46 Who would like to make comment on the subdivision, moratorium, legal lot of record.
15:17:52 Item. please use the raise hand button at the bottom of the zoom screen or press star 9.
15:17:58 If your on the phone, and would like to make a comment on this item
15:18:09 Seeing any other hands go up just now. Okay, we will close public comment for now and move on to discussion.
15:18:29 Like to jump in to say thank you to the caller, and it sounds sounds like like he and his wife got caught in a perfect storm of timing here, and really regret that.
15:18:43 Brian, Thank you for laying out the the pros and cons.
15:18:46 You know, I I think this is a tough decision. because we know that it's basically written policy is often not the best written policy.
15:18:56 But we also know that this is holding up people's plans for their life and property.
15:19:01 As we heard from the caller, and have heard since the moratorium was enacted.
15:19:06 So you know, I guess my my preference would be that we go ahead and wrap it up.
15:19:12 I I think public participation is super important but it's also never guaranteed.
15:19:22 You know it is. this is complicated stuff it's hard for people to wrap their head around it.
15:19:27 And so, you know, I think we could. We could extend it for a good long time in hopes of getting a lot more meaningful, input and we might not.
15:19:37 I would just hate to continue to hold things up without that. So I guess i'm gonna really rely on dCD staff to to tell us if they think they can do a really good quality job
within the the shorter
15:19:49 timeframe. of not extending it and if there's you know, real concerns about the ability to do that.
15:19:55 Then, you know, don't want to rush it but the and I do.
15:20:03 I take seriously the planning missions recommendation, so I I I don't like disagreeing with that.
15:20:11 But i'm i'm just concerned that that this could drag on for a long time.
15:20:19 Yeah. and and maybe maybe one question Brian would be.
15:20:24 You know. How do a sense of how many of the affected landowners have been reached?
15:20:33 And you know are Are they aware what's the the nature of the contact that you've been able to have with with property Owners are affected by this.
15:20:43 Do we have any sense of? Are we kidding half of them a quarter?
15:20:49 Just you know what level of outreach and have you been able to successfully have with folks, I think, to this point outreach has really been involved with the rollout of the
moratorium and responding to public comment and coming here into the second
15:21:10 week of July we're going to be really ramping up how we're approaching the public and giving them an opportunity to access a variety touch points to communicate with our department
on this issue and express their opinions about how we
15:21:25 should move forward and conduct outreach So the again the bulk of outreach that we are conformalizing is scheduled for this month.
15:21:36 And it's ongoing to this point I would say that public feedback is still in the realm of trying to understand whether their property is affected by the moratorium.
15:21:53 We're not, and what changes on the horizon mean and then calls for wanting to have really a strong voice and making those decisions, or contributing to those decisions.
15:22:08 So I think this whole project development process was conducted under an understanding from our initial public feedback that we should be raising our public participation, opportunities
to be robust and to not make a decision that's not a
15:22:32 community vetted. that we we should be making decisions, that the the community has had to say in especially those property owners.
15:22:41 That will be affected directly. so now that we've developed the communications Plan
15:22:49 And are ready to move forward. we're we're getting another round of feedback that you know the complexity of this issue is high, and that we may not have enough time to effectively
roll out the communication actions and get meaningful
15:23:04 feedback in a way that that meets the publics expectations.
15:23:12 In essence, they've had an opportunity to tell us what meaningful feedback looks like, and our timing and our our month of July may not be enough opportunity to actually record
and make sense of of the issue from their perspective so
15:23:33 that's essentially the the question that we've been asked just to follow up, and I I appreciate your your concern there, and I I do share it.
15:23:43 So i'm not gonna push for anything that is that seems that it's not providing apple opportunity for public.
15:23:52 Input but just we have the ability to to generate like a mailing list of all the property owners like How how easily can we contact folks who are affected by this?
15:24:05 I've had a couple of people say I wish I just got a postcard that said I was affected, and I didn't.
15:24:10 I didn't realize I was like where are we at terms of that being able to reach the the folks who are effective.
15:24:18 Yeah, I I had experience in in clark county. using our gis system to develop mailing lists, and then you can do a mail merge with a piece of correspondence.
15:24:28 And so that's something and that's a good idea Kate.
15:24:32 That way we could more or less ensure that every single property owner that owns a parcel.
15:24:35 That's affected by this moratorium has effective notice of of the effort.
15:24:42 The counties undertaking, because if you still wanna give people a couple of weeks to comment right or I mean it's we're already halfway through July effectively.
15:24:52 So for saying, July is our month for public comment we're already halfway through almost.
15:25:00 Yeah, a lot of our items are ready to launch.
15:25:06 We. We have a postcard mailer ready, and I believe we have our
15:25:14 Our mailing address is identified. so those will be ready to go out shortly.
15:25:19 There's some other items that the public that can be married.
15:25:25 Our advisory teams identified like radio interviews and meeting specifically targeted public meetings specifically targeted to I'm.
15:25:37 Property owners within pre 1971 plats. those things are still in development.
15:25:42 So we're at over various stages and rolling out the communication items that are identified.
15:25:49 You pull them up here
15:25:58 So these are our communication items
15:26:13 So all of these are proposed to happen in July.
15:26:18 Okay, yeah. if I could just jump in for a sec here.
15:26:21 So so that last third bullet onto the left that Brian mentioned that all the actions have been assigned.
15:26:27 Just want to go into that a little bit so so Brian designed a communications plan based on a lot of input and he mentioned 18 meetings.
15:26:38 So I'm assuming it's something on the order of 17 of those helped him with ideas to develop this communications plan, and really the July push was about outreach.
15:26:48 Not all that won't be the last time people get to comment on it, because, of course, we come back with a proposal.
15:26:54 Then there'll be a hearing, not only in front of the plan commission, but most likely put on the board.
15:26:58 So. So there's that but one of the first things Brian asked me, as his new supervisor was, so I can't do all these things by myself in the month of July.
15:27:06 Who can we aside? Who can we pull from our colleagues to help me out? So I said, Oh, that's a great question.
15:27:12 And so I started, of course, looking at everyone else's workload, and the only problem with that idea is that pulls people off of the things that they're currently working on
including a permit backlog.
15:27:22 That we have. So Brent mentioned, moving from 6 to 8 weeks expectations to 8 to 10, so there will be implications.
15:27:27 If we were to pull other people in an ideal world we'd have a consultant already who specializes in public outreach, who'd be doing a lot of the leg work here for us we don't
have that but
15:27:35 we are doing the best we can with what we have so I just want to be clear that even this list right here is aspirational, that we'll do the best we if the decision and Christianity
in your absolute is is a
15:27:46 wise remark that it's a tough choice you know That's why we're just bringing it to you, not without a firm recommendation, but more like here are the pros and cons and let's
have a discussion about
15:27:55 it, because when we go back to our next planning commission meeting we want to be able to let them know where we're at, and and before we even do those mailers we want to be
clear with the public, yeah, this is what's
15:28:05 happening. We're fixing this problem the best that we can before October twelfth.
15:28:10 I think it was mentioned or or we're already planning and I I think, the prosecuting Attorney's office has asked us if we're going to make a decision to extend that we actually
start working on that now so
15:28:21 we could do that process not in a hurried way itself, just having that hearing in front of the Board to extend the moratorium and to be thoughtful about that.
15:28:29 Maybe there would be opportunities to change the more term yet again. my understanding is, it's been changed more than one season since it was first enacted, anyway.
15:28:35 So those are the tough choices before us. Just do the best we can with the information that we have and the staff that we have, and just solve this problem.
15:28:42 The best we can in the time frame that we have Now that there's always a chance to fix it later.
15:28:47 But really will be making some important policy decisions within the timeframe.
15:28:50 The pros as Brian laid out include that we'll have an answer.
15:28:55 So people who are waiting will have an answer. whether they're completely satisfied with that answer is another question of course, and then, as as with almost any planning
project, the more time you have and the more resources, you have and the better probably
15:29:06 you're gonna have to make a decision ultimately but course. even under the best of circumstances, you won't be unwise, probably just to spend years on this issue, because that
would apply that to be a moratorium for years So we
15:29:19 don't want that, either. So that's the tough choice, and I just wanted to make sure we were even clear about, even if we this, even if we just stick to the schedule, every single
thing on this table, might not happen, because we just don't have
15:29:29 the resources for that, and I would I would beg to question the Beg the question of Do we need to do all these things on this list which have the most bang for the buck?
15:29:40 You know events are I mean. i've done community quite a bit of community outreach to my past no events are the biggest, usually time zinc right?
15:29:51 And then so could we prioritize 5 of these activities and say, These are the ones that really get at the communications that we, you know, really need to have as part of this
process, instead of being overwhelmed by a massive list
15:30:05 of activities that we don't have the capacity to undertake.
15:30:11 I'm sure you've had this thought too but I you know. Don't know you, haven't No, we have absolutely had that talk So we wanted to have this discussion.
15:30:22 And if the board's comfortable giving us direction today, then we would act on that direction, and then revise the plan accordingly.
15:30:27 Whether it's the sticking to the schedule plan or the extending the schedule plan, and as I mentioned, if it's sticking to the plan we we will have to re prioritize these items
which were
15:30:39 aspirational and in nature and then we'll pick the ones that we're able to do in the month of July.
15:30:45 Both with staff resources, and funding because that mailer we did it estimate on that, and it was gonna cost, you know, cost a fair amount of money.
15:30:53 So so that's exactly what we're gonna do with that and and also in terms of the idea of reaching out the summer. That is true.
15:30:57 It's not ideal for some people because some people are in their regular schedule.
15:31:01 They're doing summers things or what have you but of course, you can make an argument that in the middle of winter a lot of our communities off enjoying some more replace that
doesn't rain as much so so I guess
15:31:12 there's never completely ideal time to do this work, and we do feel like, I guess I feel like since the more term has been in place for quite a while.
15:31:19 Now a lot of people have been notified or aware of it.
15:31:21 I mean maybe we'll miss someone but we're always adopting. So you know you're always adopting resolutions, adrences all the time, and it affects everybody.
15:31:29 So either people are or not that's not to say we wouldn't do our best to make sure everybody knows I'm just saying there's it's never ideal particular time of year, and I guess
on that.
15:31:42 Friend, I would tend to agree with Kate that I would probably prioritize sticking to a shorter timeframe instead of letting it get extended.
15:31:50 But that's just my gut, based on all the input we got at the very beginning of this process, and you know where where we're at, Was it?
15:32:04 I think a lot of work has gone into it, and I think it would be ideal if we could stick to our timeframe.
15:32:13 I ask a couple of questions. one. I really appreciate all the outreach to the the real estate brokers.
15:32:22 I think, more than the general populace they probably understand the permutations, the impacts of the of the changes that we're talking about, and I'm wondering Brian key.
15:32:31 Or Josh, or Grant, or anyone, if you can characterize what their perspective is, I am Yeah, I think
15:32:45 If I might jump in, is the first respond. I think the way that I would characterize the response from the real state.
15:32:55 Brokers and agents would be to say that the their point is that whatever regulations we roll out, try and comprehend the difference between plots that are currently held in
common ownership, and that are divided between lots of
15:33:17 different property owners. and then those plats that are already mostly developed, and plots that are less developed.
15:33:29 We haven't reached any decision on threshold and what those terms might actually mean in terms of implementing some kind of analysis.
15:33:39 And that's what we hope to gather from the public is to say, Hey, what's an appropriate threshold?
15:33:45 How developed is reasonably developed that we would allow these plots continue to grow, or whatever
15:33:53 So that that would be how I would characterize the real estate brokers kind of 2 things: First, that there's the difference between, and the development capacity of plants that
are held in common ownership and then those that are
15:34:09 mostly split up between other property owners and second that There's a clear difference, and plots that are mostly developed from those that are less developed.
15:34:21 Gotcha, and great Even that little dive shows that the real deep complexity you get to right away.
15:34:28 And then the challenge, I think in communication, I guess my other question.
15:34:32 Initial question is, I mean we don't have something for people to consider at this point.
15:34:38 So what are we really trying to communicate
15:34:45 We're trying to communicate that these complexities are there lay out the potential decisions that we could make as a regulatory body.
15:34:56 We could regulate this issue in this way or this way we're this way compared to what other jurisdictions have done, which is leg work that we've already done, and present those
options to the public and understand
15:35:09 what they feel is more appropriate. for our community as a whole and their communities in terms of where they live, and where they own property, and who their neighbors was.
15:35:22 So that's that's the goal of this outreach is to identify those app options and give us really a a body of data that we can analyze to help justify a decision that we make and
an approach to
15:35:34 regulation Gotcha, I guess, based on what we have in the really compelling testimony of John and other people who I've spoken with that have been really impacted by this I think
and the staff capacity issues that
15:35:46 we've just heard. I really I do think this is the an expansive communication plan, and I I think I I agree that we should be moving forward with with all haste, and just do
it once
15:36:03 So I agree with Kate, and idea about that.
15:36:13 Good. So reality is that, like, we will never reach consensus.
15:36:19 You know I miss, is hard. This is hard work. There are literally you know, new lines being drawn, and that's it is.
15:36:26 It is tough. So I think, prioritizing that communications to the most meaningful and impactful and helpful formats will be really important, and staying with it to the end.
15:36:39 I guess I would rather have a long tail than a long lead up, you know, because there's going to be lots of card conversations and decisions, you know, and permutations of those
decisions that are discussed and and to me
15:36:51 That's where the value comes in. you know extending deliberations and and taking more feedback.
15:36:57 And once we started talking about this, and people understand that these really impacting people's ability to utilize their property, we're kind of get public feedback
15:37:12 And so Team DCD team is that the level of input you wanted for up the 3 of us.
15:37:21 You're bored. yeah I think we wanted to be able to respond to the planning commission's. recommendation and act quickly on the recommendation, and see how we should proceed.
15:37:33 Yes, I can go So thank you very much. It would have been more difficult like what if one and a half of you said something in one and a half of the other.
15:37:41 But with all 3 giving up and clear indication that We're gonna stick to the schedule.
15:37:46 Brian and I will, and others will, kind of revisit the overall path forward, and make sure that we're setting things for, so that the decision comes to the board prior to the
our to the expiration of the current more
15:37:57 thorium, and so we appreciate your feedback and we will have as Brian mentioned, we'll we'll tell the planning commission about this discussion.
15:38:04 And if there's decisions or some feedback that we could still solicit from commissioners about about these communication items, then we'll have a discussion with the planning
Commission.
15:38:14 We may have to make just have to make some tough decisions in that process.
15:38:17 But as Commissioner Brother did just mention, I mean, really, the outreach is now.
15:38:22 But then, when the options are put forward for solutions then there's another whole opportunity for soliciting input there, too, and i'll just say for myself, i'd be happy to
help you might have to pair some of this
15:38:34 communication strategy down. But you know any excuse to hear myself top.
15:38:40 I'm happy to go help you know have a community meeting or or pick up one of the radio interviews or whatever.
15:38:46 So if I can be an assistant please don't hesitate likewise.
15:38:51 And Brian. I really appreciate the clear presentation today.
15:38:54 Super clear
15:39:04 Okay, are we moving on to our next agenda item, are we?
15:39:13 Yep, i'm seeing a couple of thumbs up heads nodding.
15:39:19 So we the next item on the agenda, and I feel like we started to talk about this a little bit, but prioritizing and ranking department.
15:39:29 Dcd project plans and programs brett you're muted.
15:39:38 Let's do this fast and I wanna hear about intergov too.
15:39:40 I'm really excited Okay, and I have a powerpoint presentation, and i'll i'll share that right now.
15:39:49 So while Brent is pulling that up, maybe just a couple of words of introduction here, so we have, as you noted, already, started a conversation about priorities.
15:39:57 We talked about some of the top things we focused on housing issues. And what's on our plate right Now, this is more about just an introduction to the issue of the bigger picture.
15:40:09 And talking about next year's work plan never mind the rest of this year.
15:40:12 So we we wanted to let you know that we intend to have go through a process both internally and we and go back to the board in the fall.
15:40:21 Just to continue this conversation. There's no way we can bust you to prioritize all 30 things on this list.
15:40:25 Never mind the extra things that are aren't even on the list. So that's just some intro there, and in it.
15:40:32 We just want to tip it off and we realize that there's another agenda item right after this one.
15:40:34 So go ahead, Brand. Sorry, Thank you for the And what I really wanted to highlight was, what is time sensitive?
15:40:44 So I think that often drives a lot of what we work on is are those projects that are time sensor?
15:40:52 And then what are the dialogue of of our projects?
15:40:56 And and then looking at all of the projects. so it made sense to divide them into 5 areas, housing fiscal, intergovernmental infrastructure, and other.
15:41:05 And then a summary of the programs, projects and plans, and then next steps.
15:41:11 So time, sensitivity. what is it? And why so?
15:41:16 One of those is approvals necessary for grants and loans, and i'll explain what I mean by that second state mandated updates and then Departmental evaluations that affect everyone
in the community
15:41:32 approvals necessary for grants or models. some approvals.
15:41:38 Like our current planning would you underway right now for the first phase of the sewer project, and you can see I've highlighted that that is the sewer on the lower left that
is the
15:41:55 phase one area that is, a failure for us to
15:42:04 We view that in a timely fashion could have significant repercussions. So we've seen what is it?
15:42:12 22 million dollars grants. So we consider that to be a time sensitive Project that should receive the highest priority.
15:42:23 Another one that is on a slightly lesser scale is the Caswell Brown.
15:42:31 Oh, Fortunately for casual brown many of the funding sources are reoccurring every year.
15:42:40 So if the project isn't ready in a specific year often funding will be available.
15:42:47 In a subsequent year, but that being said, we have to recognize that Sometimes the State of Washington does not allocate funding.
15:42:58 If you remember, the most significant example of that occurred in the department of college, where there was no funding available for 7 years.
15:43:09 And so we've applied for grants for the first time in 7 years.
15:43:14 So I have to make sure that you're aware of that but there are certain Federal and State programs that will always have availability.
15:43:24 We weren't successful I know they'd be happy with successful for casual brown and day what they call tax credits, but that's always available as far as over there.
15:43:37 Another area. is this state mandated updates that we have to complete the or we are out of line with the State.
15:43:46 I consider this a little more leeway. the state doesn't typically fine and municipality, unless they're doing something egregious.
15:43:59 So so I would just point out that although this is a a driver.
15:44:04 It's not one that has a fiscal or you know the carrier and stick I I don't think this is having a big stick the earlier one into grants and loans, those have a big stick to
use a
15:44:18 lot of money if you aren't successful and then the third area.
15:44:24 Is and I This should be departmental evaluation.
15:44:29 So and and these are one of them is done by fema and that really is community assistance physics.
15:44:41 So fema does that every 5 years they look at how we're managing our flood damage prevention ordinance.
15:44:48 We are, from what I understand, more than 8 years overdue.
15:44:52 Another area. that is quite common is the Washington State Ratings Bureau, and what they do is they look at 2 different areas.
15:45:05 The protection class. So how are we implementing fire, safety?
15:45:11 And and that goes into the property and casualty rates that all members of our community okay. and I know that component of that is the building code effectiveness, grading
schedule and that talks about how Well.
15:45:24 we are managing the icc codes, and and enforcing the provisions.
15:45:34 Now, where are we in terms of our projects we've identified 30 projects?
15:45:38 What i've tried to do when I say projects programs or plans. I've tried to break them down into areas that they fall on.
15:45:47 So, for under housing we have the affordable housing study.
15:45:51 The cpacer inclusionary housing. stop plans.
15:45:57 Smp the fema cab a lot of record. Labrad updates on to Sb.
15:46:05 52, 75, and permanent support of housing.
15:46:08 So those are the items that we have under under 1,000. under fiscal.
15:46:13 We have tax exemptions, and this is the one that one of those that I'm. hopeful that the counties like a small rural accountants, will be able to avail themselves of the 3.
15:46:27 And there's the farm worker housing tax exemption there's the multi family tax exemption, and then there is the you start preservation tax intention we're not implementing any
of them within the account the
15:46:39 city is implementing the historic preservation tax exception.
15:46:46 And then the fee ordinance, which is also an important for fiscal.
15:46:52 Solvency. And then we also have from the fiscal the pleasant harbor working on the contract to hire services contract services. and then we have, under Fiscal Grants that this
board has
15:47:09 approved, and then then, the other thing is under fiscal is what I call protection class.
15:47:21 That's our fire reading. that is really how will we implementing the provisions of spacing a fire hydrants.
15:47:31 The requirements of fireflow so that's it's an evaluation that has been triggered by the fire district, reaching out to the Washington State trading Bureau and it's trivial
for September of This
15:47:46 year and then go back. I meant to go back intergovernmental we have the Kinol Nation West End zoning.
15:47:59 We don't have a consistency there so that's an area that's an intergovernmental collaboration.
15:48:06 The fire Marshal I and in the delegation of of the authority in the fire Marshal, I am planning to set up an office of the Fire Marshal within DCD which would include the
15:48:22 3 top officers the planning manager the building and a permit manager would be anointed deputy phone marshals and that the 3 would constitute the office of the final option
and that
15:48:41 provides for there to always be someone available for the 5 districts to reach out to especially given the fact that there is an need for consistency, and for them to know who
that person is.
15:48:57 It's not a person it's it's the office and then I as always, I could current planning crosses all areas.
15:49:07 It's so important. And then again. we do have the protection class.
15:49:14 The other area that we've added and excuse me there's a double entry here. the county I'm.
15:49:20 Sure you know it's not We have the county wide planning policy needs to be updated, and then we also have the county of Wildfire Protection plan.
15:49:33 Which is becoming more and more important as a consequence of of what we see as climate change, and then in infrastructure. Obviously we have the port hypothesis intergo that's
a huge project we're gonna hear about
15:49:47 that later, and then we also have an internal a movement to for data management.
15:49:54 We've now got quite a bit of data in our department, and we need to manage it in the most effective efficient way.
15:50:02 We have all water planning and and then critically, we have some exposure.
15:50:10 If that means that we are allowing people to provide us plans that are not digitalized.
15:50:16 And so if we don't have a plans examiner we do not have the capacity right now to send them out because those plants have to be digitalized. we do this for commercial plans,
but we have some
15:50:31 exposure in residential plans, and then again the Washington State.
15:50:36 We in each bureau they're looking at our infrastructure, fire hydrates, fireflow.
15:50:42 So these are all of the infrastructure areas. And then I put a group of other areas under other.
15:50:50 What I recommend is that first we've identified that It is correct.
15:50:57 That current planning is number one. You verified that and that that.
15:51:05 And I consider current planning, spanning across so many different areas.
15:51:10 You might identify that a lot of records priority number 2 and that the approach that we're taking should stay at the pace.
15:51:20 That we have originally outlined, and I believe that that requires us to have an adoptive ordinance to you, that ordinance for adoption by October 20 first of this year and
then at
15:51:34 our earlier meeting. we looked at. what are those 3 areas?
15:51:39 So the port hadlock sewer infrastructure project short term rentals, and then the affordable housing study.
15:51:46 So that's where I see is is our our third area that will be
15:51:53 So what I would recommend is to accept any questions that you have about the items on our work.
15:52:00 Plan. What I would like to do is work with Josh!
15:52:04 And also that some of these projects and come back with you.
15:52:10 So that this is an interactive, iterative process of of our change.
15:52:16 As we have more flexible, more staff available. we can take on more resources.
15:52:20 So what that means specifically is when we have a lot of record finished.
15:52:26 Then that planner Brian Benjamin would be able to work on another project.
15:52:29 The same is true for our the permanent or I should say, the temporary housing facilities.
15:52:39 Joel is working now on some of the implementation of the sewer, but he'll be available to work on one of the other projects that you've identified as important other any questions.
15:52:54 Well, I would just say that we did have another public comment period listed on the agenda under this item as well.
15:53:01 And so I would just want to make a call if there's anybody who would like to comment on the dCD prioritization of their work.
15:53:12 Plan on the attendee list. Please raise your hand using the raise hand button at the bottom of the zoom screen.
15:53:17 Nobody's on the phone anymore, not seeing any hands go up but just wanted to provide the opportunity
15:53:30 Okay, no public comments or questions, so Let's move on to Commissioner comments or questions.
15:53:40 Kater Greg, do you have anything and what? you might go back to your matrix, please?
15:53:48 Thank you. Cool it's a lot yeah yeah Well, and I Maybe you you hit some of this in the other category, but I I think, too, like like the kind of in it's building internal capacity
for your department is
15:54:08 really important, too, like you know, with i'm glad to see you standard operating procedures on here.
15:54:14 But things like professional development, and you know, like I I I just I really.
15:54:21 You know this is such an important department and I hope that somehow in this mix of things.
15:54:25 There's also the ability to be strengthening from within as well.
15:54:33 And I mean it is this all this all seems really important.
15:54:38 I i'm not sure how much guidance I can give you on how to prioritize it other than the the few that we've talked about already.
15:54:44 Today and appreciate you seeking that clarity from us.
15:54:47 But I have a lot of faith. that the Department is doing a good job of retaining staff right now, which is no small thing.
15:54:57 And you know, fully staffed, which is great. Those are really healthy signs of a healthy department.
15:55:02 So. I support support you doing this work and appreciate the level of organization and communication
15:55:13 Yeah, I I don't have a lot to add I think that you guys are on the right track.
15:55:20 I I really appreciate the opportunity just to kind of help help guide a little bit.
15:55:24 I don't have a lot more to Add on this if you wanted to send the spreadsheet out.
15:55:28 I could try to add some nuance. but I feel like you guys understand the priorities that we've laid out.
15:55:32 We've been pretty clear and pretty. think consensus based in the direction we want to go, and also amplify a little bit of what case just said that, you know, team building
and morale is so critical.
15:55:43 Right now, and and that you know continuing education and on the job training.
15:55:48 All these things are really important to develop our staff. So they, you know, build careers with Dcb.
15:55:54 Which is what we wanna we want to engender so yeah that's the only addition that I have you guys are looking for more stuff for this last.
15:56:02 But it all I agree. I can't parse this and say that's not important.
15:56:04 Everything on this list is, and I would just add i'm glad to see the implementation of Senate Bill.
15:56:12 52, 75 on the matrix. The matrix was in our agenda today, Greg.
15:56:18 So it is there for us. and remind you guys that we are working board, but we don't wanna muck up the work cogs.
15:56:28 So if there are assess you need or you know someone to make 47 phone calls one day for something.
15:56:36 Don't, hesitate to reach out if you need extra hand, and we can figure out you know how to be helpful and not get in the way which is my primary goal is to not get in the way
Yeah, appreciate
15:56:55 appreciate all of this detailed thinking email, just a real quick comment in in and perhaps closing this section.
15:57:06 So thank you very much for the offer, and for listening. and yes, we are deep into a retention strategy really to try to get some of the folks.
15:57:18 So to continue along a professional development path just like you mentioned Commissioner Dean, and we're, i've taken a look at all the staff that I've inherited here.
15:57:25 And asked each individual for list of interests, for example, so sure you have to do.
15:57:30 You have to do stuff anyway. It's a job right but also you can learn and investigate areas of of interest.
15:57:37 And so we have done that, and so we're doing really succession planning because we have some planners who are getting closer to retirement, and others who are just starting
their career.
15:57:46 So it's a good opportunity to Look at that as well and not hopefully, not like the Tv show.
15:57:51 More like something a little more more normal and Then finally This is just an introduction, as I mentioned before, we're going to do some some internal discussion, and we have
a retreat coming up in September Ph our own staff We're
15:58:04 also gonna work with the Plan Commission to make sure We get their ideas, and then essentially come back to the board sometime in the fall when we start talking about the 2,023
workpline. just to make sure we're all on the same.
15:58:13 Page about that as well. so you'll see different formats of our overall project list both of the language planning side, and then just sort of the process side the internal
side as well.
15:58:22 So thank you for your touching. Yes, thank you. Appreciate you guys big time.
15:58:27 Thanks for rocking it. it's a lot to keep track of
15:58:33 So I think we're moving on to the last item on our agenda today, which is an exciting one, cause I've been here.
15:58:41 I've been hearing about innergo i've been to I was talking about intergovas on the campaign trail.
15:58:46 But this is one of the first focus presentations that I've well will have had on it.
15:58:53 So I think. Linda Linda Atkins.
15:58:58 She was there. she is yep it's only linda on the attendee list, so so i'd like to publicly commend linda for her efforts over the past couple of years on enter gov it's proven
15:59:16 to be a remarkably difficult implementation. yeah and she's just been a trooper.
15:59:25 The pandemic interrupted our efforts, and in complicated matters.
15:59:32 But you know she wasn't daunted she just kept at it so i'll turn it over to Linda
15:59:41 Great Commissioner Eisenhower and the rest of the Board.
15:59:43 Thank you very much for having me here it's it is very nice to know that we are nearing the end, or really the beginning.
15:59:53 I you know it's one where we're ending one phase, and going into the rest of our life right? So as per normal, I do have a powerpoint. so I will pull that up.
16:00:18 And let's see
16:00:19 Okay, Do you see some blue there? Can you? Can you put that in slideshow?
16:00:23 Oh, yeah, I just wanted to make sure. you can see the screen.
16:00:27 And we just need to slide, enlarged.
16:00:33 Great. There you go, all right. So this is the closest.
16:00:38 I could come to something that looked at the kind of electronicy for a slide.
16:00:43 So that's what you got I just wanna say that it does feel like we're kind of nearing the finish line.
16:00:49 One tiny advantage of the fact that implementation was delayed is that Inner Gov.
16:00:55 Is now fully converted to their html format from a format that is no longer supported by Microsoft.
16:01:03 So we we began this process in silver light. It was called, and we knew at the time that they were going to be going to a new format.
16:01:13 And so we were exposed to that a little bit, and now they are as of 2021.
16:01:20 They are fully converted to the html format.
16:01:24 So those of us that have been configuring and working on it have actually learned both.
16:01:29 So it's been it quite an exercise but we are moving on, So that's great.
16:01:37 I just wanted to start out, really that this has taken a team.
16:01:42 It's the staff has changed over time because during Covid and through Covid.
16:01:47 We. We have gone through quite a lot of staff, changes, particularly in the Department of Community Development, but also in environmental health and And it so It's taken environmental
health staff from our department community Development Public works.
16:02:06 Dave Olson, at J. at information services, was phenomenal.
16:02:11 Kevin has been terrific with the Gis.
16:02:12 The is a Gis based program. And so his input and cooperation and and feedback has been essential.
16:02:22 Our project managers that we've had at and undergo have been terrific as well as our professional staff there doing configuration and conversion of our type.
16:02:33 Mark data, Tom Schindler. you know we should bow down to the man.
16:02:38 He has been our interpreter. He is the person that we've been contracting with for many years on type.
16:02:46 Mark configuration and up upgrades and updates, and he has also been on our team through this configuration process within our Gov cities.
16:02:59 Digital You know, one of the real powerful things about databases is that they can share information with other databases.
16:03:08 And so we utilize laser fee for our document management, and rather than having to do double the work by, you know, scanning information into our our or tied mark database or
into a word document or pdf we will now
16:03:26 be able to scan it directly into Enter Gov.
16:03:31 And that will then be stored permanently in laser fish.
16:03:35 It will make responding to public records easier as well as just providing a consistent location for all of our scan documents and cities.
16:03:46 Digital was instrumental in in completing that integration within her gut for us.
16:03:52 Oh, yes, certainly, or would you rather we we say It's questions till the end
16:04:05 Look at permits that have been pulled and everything. on on the Gis system, too, and i'm wondering if that's if that will be integrated as well no problem.
16:04:21 And then they've also helped us in integrating the septic system operations and monitoring databases that we use, so that we will have access directly to that information in
inner Gov like we do currently in type.
16:04:36 Mark. So so They've worked with this on both of those, and of course, Mark Macaulay and all the members of the Board of County Commissioners and the Board of Health have been
tremendously supportive, and you know
16:04:48 instrumental in making this work, and and I just can't say enough about how much we appreciate that you know we had tied Mark for 30 years, and that's extraordinarily long to
be able to you know leverage
16:05:00 a database, and we've used it for across 3 departments very successfully, and and you know moving that to a new database was quite a task, and so it's definitely taken a team.
16:05:16 So I would say we've had conquered a lot of challenges.
16:05:21 Our configuration specially worked with key department staff both early on in the project and then at a couple of key points as we've gone through this configuration process,
to both test what we can configured and
16:05:37 to see if what we thought we wanted really worked for us.
16:05:42 And then also we have worked with a conversion specialist and he's making sure that we retain all of the information that we currently have in Tied Mark that because it's a
huge historical record that we utilize
16:05:57 truly on a daily basis over the long haul for reporting for making judgments and assessing future work that we need to do.
16:06:07 It's an integral to much of what the planning department does, as well as environmental health, and so he's making sure that all that information gets converted into undergov
and as I said, Tom shindler is our database
16:06:20 support specialist since 2,007 and he's also played an important role in cleaning up time.
16:06:29 Mark data, you know, when you have a database you you start with.
16:06:32 We need these fields, and this is where we think we're going to put data. and then, as you move down, you know, through the years, you add additional fields for data that you've
turned out you needed.
16:06:43 And then there are other fields that get used differently or they don't get used very much, and so in order to not transfer a lot of trash.
16:06:56 Essentially, you know, either unused fields or fields that were used veryly over the years.
16:07:04 Tom. Tom did a tremendous job in working with our staff to clean that data up so that we are moving clean data over to Intergov.
16:07:15 And that's really you know was a high recommendation from other people who had converted from one database to another.
16:07:23 Is that the clean of the data can be even addressing that's a really simple thing.
16:07:30 But you know, some roads were in tied Mark literally 6 different ways, and so do you want to have to look up East Marlestone in 6 different ways?
16:07:40 Not really. so, Tom, work to clean all of that data up.
16:07:44 And now we have a 100% solid pick list, or you know, a mechanism so that the addresses that come over are clean.
16:07:54 Dave wilson and It's it's pretty remarkable Dave Olson and Kevin Hitchcock assured that our servers and our Gis are set up and ready to go you know everything has to
16:08:05 be essentially configured and and set up so that they can talk to each other, and they have just been terrific.
16:08:13 And Dj. is of course stepped in and is working right straight through.
16:08:20 To make sure we we stay on track. Ask you another question, Linda.
16:08:26 I like that. I i'm wondering what kind of steps are there to prevent data from getting dirty again to make sure that people enter.
16:08:35 You know East Maristone, and just one way going forward.
16:08:39 Well in in those areas as far as anywhere where we've learned this over the last 30 years.
16:08:48 So we We have almost no fields that can, except for a common field.
16:08:52 We have almost no fields that you can just randomly enter information in.
16:08:55 We we have really leverage the use of pick lists and so you just have to choose the one you you can't just type something in learn that, of course, the hard way.
16:09:09 Oh, in the first 10 years of tied mark and we've spent the last 20 cleaning that up.
16:09:16 So Anyway, we we've made great strides in that area.
16:09:20 Okay, thank you. So I would. I just wanted to touch on a couple of the really key features.
16:09:28 That attracted us to intergov and as they've moved to kind of their new products.
16:09:35 We've benefited from from that change and so one of the big ones really is the ease of communication between staff within our department, You know, we use email a lot
16:09:46 We use paper, You know we use laser fish, but can fall off track, you know they can.
16:09:54 They can fall into the ever-present email whole of doom and enter.
16:10:01 Gov. uses essentially a what They call the hub It's also used in Munice.
16:10:08 It's used for other tyler products, and so it's, an opening or a landing page for both inner governments.
16:10:16 The colorful rectangles that you see on the screen are called cards.
16:10:20 It is essentially pulling information it's it's it's really kind of another database. it's pulling information from the database that is specific to each user.
16:10:35 Okay, So the cases that I am assigned to will show up directly in my dashboard.
16:10:43 My screen, my hub under my permits or my plans.
16:10:50 My inspections or my code cases. so if I am an assigned person person on one of these elements of the program, then they will show up on like the card.
16:11:04 This is my code cases. If i'm an assigned person on that case, along with potentially deb Murdoch or someone else in the planning department that would show up that I have something
to do I am involved in a particular
16:11:15 code case. If i'm an ass if I am an assigned person on an inspection, a septic system, inspection, or what have you then that will show up in my inspections?
16:11:28 If i've got some that are overdue if I clicked on that card, it would show me 5 are due this week.
16:11:36 5 are overdue, and 10 are in the future sometime.
16:11:40 So it kind of even gives you a more specific breakdown of kind of where you are at in your schedule.
16:11:48 My reviews. If i'm listed as a person who is reviewing a particular plan that I am due to respond to. that will show up in my reviews.
16:12:02 I can actually identify tasks now. Tasks is kind of an interesting one. oh, whoops!
16:12:08 Sorry. Sorry i'm i'm on 3 screens here folks just a sec.
16:12:14 I wanna make sure to cover some of these items so I'm gonna go to my notes.
16:12:19 Okay, great, so we can send tasks to ourselves, or we can send a task to someone else.
16:12:29 Deb. Burdock had a great example. She said, Well, you can send a task to yourself, or you can send a task.
16:12:36 Say, for instance, she's working on a code case with Nikola in our office, and she's she knows he's gonna be going out in the field, and she wants him to drive by and check
on the status of this particular
16:12:46 case she can send him a task and it'll show up on his dashboard here, so that he will know to go do that.
16:12:54 It saves a lot of that that email whole of doom.
16:13:00 Each staff can set up. Oh, the other one is the notifications that last little card! and we can send notifications to each other as well, and it shows this little alarm.
16:13:11 Bell. we're all to be honest you know I we're all learning about all of these particular tools.
16:13:17 So I am i'm definitely no expert in every level of detail on these, but we we know they'll be useful.
16:13:25 We can set up links if you look in. that apps the favorite apps or my links.
16:13:29 We can set up links to various locations. this intergov will not link directly the map.
16:13:37 It is looking at is a subset of our current Gis mapping service.
16:13:44 It does not contain every single map that we can currently look at that's that's more overhead than this program is designed to handle.
16:13:52 But we can put a link to our internal gis so that we can go directly to it from our landing page.
16:14:00 Here in Undergov: Okay, that intergov menu is really intended to be for each individual user.
16:14:08 If I was a review coordinator, then I would have a menu item there called Review Coordinator.
16:14:14 Right Now I am a project lead. And so this is really, essentially back office.
16:14:20 These are all the things that I have access to to actually set up and configure the system. So most users will not have a big menu like this.
16:14:29 They'll have a limited access as you can see the cases on the right are essentially the most recent cases I have been in.
16:14:37 They're not necessarily all the cases that I am assigned to, but they're all the cases that I was in for one reason or another, maybe doing research on a call that someone may
Yeah, someone called me asked about and a food. service permit and So I looked up that
16:14:54 case. The other thing that is powerful about this is that staff, that interface with Munis, for instance, the cashiering staff up front.
16:15:05 They can add a card to this screen to access the information that they have permission to view on Munis managers can add cards to see an overview of case status staff workload
or a graph of case timelines
16:15:25 and actions. Really, these cards are you know they look like they're a particular size.
16:15:33 But if I had 20 cards on my screen here, they would just be smaller.
16:15:37 So you're not limited to 5 cards you know that's not all you get
16:15:44 I know that a really important piece of this program to to use county commissioners and to our public is the customer self-service or the public access site.
16:15:57 And this will operate a little differently than our current system does in that.
16:16:04 When someone comes to this site. if they're a client or a contractor, they can register on the site similar to the way people register on our county website to look at calendar
items but this one will actually
16:16:20 allow that, client or representative or contractor to see the progress of their cases, receive information requests from us.
16:16:32 For instance, if we're doing an inspection and we have a question for the contractor, we can send an email to that contractor directly on that case and essentially ping him
or her to respond to a specific question and they can pay
16:16:48 invoices, we will be using the same invoicing.
16:16:54 Or excuse me the same online pay service that we currently use.
16:16:56 And so there will be a link to that. People can pay their invoices online.
16:17:02 The general public can see limited elements of permit progress you know we we don't necessarily want to invade people's privacy, and so the things around like Oh, finances and
detailed plans, comments, and things will probably not be
16:17:20 available to the general public only to the client. themselves their contractor and their representatives, and that's it. just in order to maintain a level of privacy for our
clients.
16:17:33 You can see that there's you know I I don't know how well you can see the screen.
16:17:37 But there is the ability to up Have people apply for permits online.
16:17:44 But one of the things that they recommend strongly is that you you don't immediately make applications available on line. You need to get really familiar with the program and
make some determinations about how you want that to work and so they
16:17:59 suggest, you know, 8, 10 months a year, so that will not be going.
16:18:05 Live in August, but we do certainly intend, and they to do move forward with that, and probably with the simpleer applications, like a mechanical permit potentially a temporary
food service permit the more simplistic applications
16:18:19 will be the first I ask another question on that slides Linda I I love seeing this it's it's great.
16:18:28 I i'm just wondering is the information like if my neighbors doing something.
16:18:32 I'm wondering you know what's the project they're working on? Is Is it gonna be what's publicly available instantly available on that map?
16:18:40 Icon that i'd be able to go and see what the project is?
16:18:45 Or was there a delay, I guess, between the data input into intergov.
16:18:51 And when it is available on it. it kind of yeah that's a really good question.
16:18:52 It depends on how we set up the it's a surface They're called windows services, and you can set a windows service to to run every 2Â min, or you can set it to run twice a day.
16:19:03 You can set it to run at night a lot of the a lot of the services we set to run over, And just because it does require load on the servers and on our you know, on our system.
16:19:17 And so a lot of things we do set to run, but we can.
16:19:23 We can set them at our will, and we may answer them.
16:19:26 We may decide, You know this really doesn't need to run every 2Â min.
16:19:31 But documents that we are loading that go into laser feature that we want to be available to the contractor.
16:19:36 Those run every 2 to 10Â min so we really have you know what Here's the thing.
16:19:46 The configuration is all powerful and all problematic because it's tremendous configurable, and you have to know how to do it, and you have to be willing to do it and be responsive
to it so.
16:20:00 You know it's it's terrific and it's really challenging.
16:20:05 But this is what, if you were a This is your neighbor.
16:20:08 This is your neighbor's property, and I have No idea this is a This is a totally fake case, You know this is one of our test cases.
16:20:16 So the public. Well, Julie, be able to see that from the middle of the screen to your left, so they will be able to see recent workflow activity.
16:20:27 They'll be able to see the basic you know the permit number the location when they applied.
16:20:34 What this application is for. This is a commercial alternative system and that the permit was submitted, and then they'll be able to see the work flow, activity. and then they're
big on this circle. graph.
16:20:46 So people can kind of see a general idea of where the project is.
16:20:50 They will not be able to see the person's name phone number the fees that they paid, and that kind of thing that is information that we will be keeping private from the general
public.
16:21:04 That only the like, I, said the contractor, the client and their representatives on the case will the their contacts on the case will be able to see that information?
16:21:15 And that can ask another question. So is that yellow?
16:21:18 Are you green? Critical Error Review on the recent workflow activity reflected in the 30% green on the workflow completion.
16:21:24 So as more things check off they'll be different colors on that workflow completion somewhere.
16:21:32 So if we had started the septic review and it was in a blue status, there would be some space on that circle that would be blue, because it indicates it's in progress.
16:21:43 So they're big on colors which is really helpful I mean if it was red.
16:21:47 If the septic review was red, that would mean it needed a redesign, or it failed its review.
16:21:54 So. so they're definitely big on on you know kind of coordinating with colors, making it easy for the client or or the person like to see kind of where things are at
16:22:09 Okay, very exciting linda isn't it yeah it really is and you know it's it's like It's it's not real.
16:22:16 It's. not real it's not and now it's real. Not that it hasn't felt real long to be, I can assure you.
16:22:22 Yeah, right, it's been really real. Okay, so as I said one of the big things is access to information contractors.
16:22:32 This is the screen that a contractor would see if this is from another jurisdiction.
16:22:37 So, because we don't have a bunch of cases in there yet.
16:22:40 But this is something similar to what a contractor would see.
16:22:43 So one of the bigger contractors or a small one. If they have 5 jobs they might have 2 that need a 10, and they would list, you know, 2 commercial buildings and one residential.
16:22:55 They have some pending applications they have some active applications. They've submitted some engagement, and then there are recent cases that they have looked at similar to
what we saw before, and each of these, If you If they clicked on this full
16:23:09 view. the full list down here in the lower left, then would be able to click on that and see the details on the cases.
16:23:17 They would be able to click on a specific case and go to that case, and if they needed to pay an invoice, they could go, you know, to the invoice and pay that invoice.
16:23:28 They will be able to submit. Certain information probably one of the first things that we will roll out is the ability to, you know, make an inspection request online. It won't
be day one but that will be one of the first things that, we would
16:23:42 like to be able to do so. The people have a record when an inspection has been done, and then where we are at on it.
16:23:53 So, Caroline, just let me know that she brought over Pinky and Apple, too, on this item.
16:23:58 If I don't know if they're gonna on the intergov items, so I don't know if they're imagining to join, you if they're just here in support of you
16:24:09 Linda. they're supporting me but they may have a word. They may have a word or 2 to say. so some of the other elements, as I've said, you know, configuration is fabulous, and
it's also
16:24:21 challenging. but this will, and in fact, we have done a tremendous amount of configuration in our existing program tied mark.
16:24:30 We started with literally 12 case types in tied mark, and we now have over 30.
16:24:35 So that is the power of a configurable program is that when you identify the need for a new case type, you have changing codes that you need to reference in your documents or
your forms, You need to add additional
16:24:52 items fields to a to address changing codes, or the reporting that you have to do for a grant or a Federal.
16:25:01 You know program. you can do that, and configuration is critical.
16:25:06 Of course we do not need to be calling tyler every time or interrupt staff every time we want to add or change a field, the code changes the Ibc.
16:25:15 We've got a new version. Well, Yeah You've got to be able to act on that quickly.
16:25:20 Fees are a huge one, where you have to be able to respond quickly.
16:25:24 When fees change or get updated. as I said, adding fields for reporting is has been very important for us over the years.
16:25:33 As far as reporting for grants and being able to be responsive.
16:25:36 This is a Gis based program. And so, we can import mapped information from our current Gis system, and that Kevin has been fabulous at getting all of the layers that we have
felt a need for into our system and
16:25:55 it actually brings information into Enter Gov: So that instead of having to go to the map, we actually that data is brought in and dropped into a case.
16:26:06 We can go Look at it on the map, of course, but it does bring it right into the case, and I I can show that to you in a little bit.
16:26:13 The other thing is that we can add a program or a process specific maps for a certain, you know, limited number of users.
16:26:23 The one that I think is more obvious to me is the water quality program.
16:26:27 They do a lot of sampling it would be very nice for them to be able to look at their water quality sampling map directly in Inner Gov.
16:26:35 When they're out in the field and so that you know they can do a certain amount of that.
16:26:40 Now, but they may be able to even expand that in you know using it with intercourse with existing cases, because right now the map is just their sampling locations.
16:26:52 It doesn't interface with the existing permits and activities that are going on on a property the last 2 that are, I mean that i'm showing you here, although there are many
many more in in our future our ig inspect and
16:27:06 Ig enforce. These are field applications that go on an ipad.
16:27:12 They enable the entry of inspection, findings, and observations to in the field.
16:27:20 And this is pretty darn powerful, because one of the things that we all have to do is, you know, you go. do an inspection in order to enter it into tied Mark. You have to open
the program up.
16:27:31 When you come back from the field, get your paper out, enter your results, make any notes, and then close everything.
16:27:37 Up, file the file things away with Ig inspect, and Ig enforce.
16:27:43 You can see the inspections in the field, you can go to them, fill out your checklist, sign them off, make any observations, take a picture, attach it to the case, or to the
inspection, and you are done you have finished
16:27:57 your work in the field. You do not have to come back to the office and remember to do it, or, you know, make those phone calls.
16:28:04 When you get back you can do all of that directly in the field. and and I think this is going to be a real efficiency element.
16:28:13 For our field staff. You can open scanned plans.
16:28:16 You can record the results and take photos that get attached directly to an inspection or a case to document your observations.
16:28:25 Then if a contractor so you're on a job site and the contractor is there, and he says, Wow, you know I've got one on your way back to Port Townsend I got another inspection
i'm ready to
16:28:36 do. I didn't get it on the list but could you stop by.
16:28:41 Well, they can go directly into intergov Pull that case up.
16:28:43 Schedule. the inspection do the inspection, if it works in their schedule and be done with it, so they can do these inspections on the fly.
16:28:53 In a much more effective way with the proper information you know they're not.
16:28:58 They're not just doing it from memory
16:29:04 So I just wanted to look okay. I know you guys have had a long day, so I don't want to extend this too long.
16:29:11 So how are we preparing? We had a 2 day class with Tom Schindler report and form creation, so that we can effectively create these moving forward, amend them as necessary.
16:29:27 Enter. Gov. offers a 4 day class to learn how to update, modify, and create elements of the program that's configuration.
16:29:35 Again on an ongoing basis, and we helped this class for key staff for the Department of Community Development and Environmental Health.
16:29:44 We call them our super users, and they essentially got a fair amount of training, and we will be meeting ongoing with our user group to support this ongoing learning effort
and sharing the information.
16:30:00 And to your point earlier, Greg. This also helps maintain consistency.
16:30:06 It's easy to get off track you know one person has a good idea, but they don't realize that that could conflict with you know the way the rest of the program works.
16:30:16 And so, having this consistency, working together is is pretty darn important.
16:30:22 Thursday mornings ever since since September of 2,021, we have offered a time to test and modify the configuration check.
16:30:30 Our converted data, and then ask and answer questions to each other.
16:30:35 As we are learning, rob our configuration, specialist joins us for a portion of these most weeks, and he's been terrific.
16:30:44 He's been our configuration specialist throughout this whole experience, and he's he's really been terrific.
16:30:52 We we sometimes need Tom as an interpreter because rob talks database, and and sometimes I don't we don't speak that language very well.
16:31:01 We're still learning debt murdoch in DCD.
16:31:05 Has taken a very active and vital role in the last 6 months.
16:31:09 She used in her Gov. in her previous job. So she came with a valuable perspective and knowledge of the program for DCD. Deb.
16:31:17 Organized the testing of the configuration in January and checking information that was converted from Tide mark at DCD.
16:31:26 So she's really organized them and provided a ton of support for that. for that group, Dev and I alternate every other week we offer a 1.5Â h class to all internal system users.
16:31:39 We're wanting our staff to be familiar with navigation adding cases, binding information and using some of the program tools before we do the end user training.
16:31:51 We felt like that was a very valuable use of our time, so that we're just not confronted with an entirely new program, you know, for a week, and then expected to go live and
use it all our contract our project manager
16:32:06 has he says we are very far ahead of the ball so I'm.
16:32:13 I'm feeling pretty darn good about about moving forward so what do we need?
16:32:19 You know we we're we're trying to do our part?
16:32:23 What do we need? t shindler? as I said, is our database support specialist that we've contracted with for tied bar since 2,007, and he, his work has enabled us to get the most
out of
16:32:33 the Tiedmark database reporting from the system creating forms, letters, new cases at as needed, and we recognized early on in our work within our Gov.
16:32:44 Just how vital a role he plays in making this an effective program and leveraging the tools of the program to the county's best advantage.
16:32:57 Every department in the county is dependent on the use of databases. I'm.
16:33:01 I'm sure that you know that you as the county commissioners are reliant on the work that various departments do in providing data to you and and supporting their activities.
16:33:14 So it's critical to maximize the ability to use the data that they store as well as facilitate communication of the data between them.
16:33:23 It. Staff has done some amazing work to pull data from different sources, and you can go on to our website now and click on the map and pull up permits.
16:33:34 Pull up data about various cases, and we do not want to lose that in any way.
16:33:38 Shape or form, and to that end Tom Schindler is right now working on a script to pull data from inter Dov.
16:33:47 2 provided to Kevin at Gis so that he can maintain the current link in the Gis as well as people being able to go to the customer self-service portal.
16:34:02 So we don't want to lose the functionality that we currently have
16:34:06 I ask you a question on that window? yeah absolutely does that mean there's 2 maps, or is there is the map that you on the portal just a portal to the Gis map.
16:34:21 I. I think I mentioned that the Entergov map does not have all of the mapping data.
16:34:27 I really think that a lot of the a lot of the people in the community that utilize the maps are gonna continue to use the maps, which is, you know, the county's public records
map or the public access map I
16:34:42 I think that for contractors that want to look at information about their cases.
16:34:49 They're going to go to the customer self service because they're going to be doing other business there, but for the folks that are really just looking at property and all of
the variety of elements they're going to continue to go
16:35:02 to the public mapping service, and so which is why we've really wanted to make sure that they could get a link back to the Enter Gov.
16:35:12 Permit information. And so Tom is going to be providing a a script essentially a job that will provide that information to Kevin.
16:35:21 And then kevin will have to manually. input it into no, it'll be it'll be a spreadsheet. Essentially, you won't have to manually it'll be it'll go automatically in there
16:35:33 There is so much more that could be done in this area, you know.
16:35:37 Sometimes these linkages get lost staff leaves. they retire. program programs change.
16:35:44 You know, the servers get updated, and suddenly a script that is run for 10 years breaks, you know, so we need expertise in making sure that people know where those scripts
are when we went to packs.
16:35:56 From from the old has 400. the all the scripting that we did between P.
16:36:03 With the as 400 times mark to bring owner information and and property information into time.
16:36:09 Mark broke, because you know what it Didn't exist anymore.
16:36:13 You know. the script was broken, and the person who had written that script no longer worked for the county.
16:36:19 So Dave Olson had to go back and kind of start at the beginning of the drawing board, and did it beautifully.
16:36:25 But nevertheless, you know those those things are are critical.
16:36:31 In order to make best use of these of these programs
16:36:38 I don't wanna rush through this I I i'm kind of getting to the end, so I I don't want to rush through.
16:36:45 If you guys have any questions, anything so far
16:36:52 No, it's it's overwhelming end of the day when I know I know it is like it's really the end of the day.
16:37:00 Okay, So what's next? We are going to solidify our user group to funnel issues and experiences to these super users, so that we, as I say, we can continue learning and and configuring
the program tweaking.
16:37:13 Things. they say, you know one to 3 years you will be constantly tweaking to to clean things up.
16:37:21 Fully utilized, Ig inspect and enforce, and then the other piece that we decided not to try and take on on day.
16:37:29 One. was electronic plan with you, but we definitely want to move to that.
16:37:35 That requires some additional hardware and software as well.
16:37:40 Bigger screens in order to really effectively review things on a screen.
16:37:46 And also there's a software piece of that that is integrated with interc that we we would have to have.
16:37:52 We want to further develop the Citizen Self service portal to, facilitate some middle of requested information and revisions, enable inspection requests online.
16:38:05 And then, of course, as I say, create tools to provide information from Enter Gov.
16:38:09 To our public Gis mapping tools. Well, what's coming up, coming up is end user training and user training.
16:38:20 We opted to do over a 2 week period with half of the group doing the first week in half of the group, doing the second week, so that we can maintain our services.
16:38:31 Now there will likely be some delays, because you know the person who's in training the first week will not be responding to requests for information on their specific cases.
So there could be some delays in that But we opted to do that
16:38:45 so that, you know building inspections can still get done.
16:38:47 Phones can still get answered, and and things can essentially, you know, move on at a at a regular pace.
16:38:56 We will be doing it in your world we're gonna Be up at the courthouse in the first floor conference room.
16:39:02 You're welcome, to pop in and see what's going on the first day is kind of hub and navigation of the program.
16:39:12 So. so. we will be starting on Monday, the eighteenth, and Monday.
16:39:18 The 20 fifth, I think, is the first day of the second week.
16:39:21 So if you want to pop in and and take a look at the program, feel free.
16:39:26 We're in the first floor conference room and other than that, you know I have a bunch of detail, but i'm I I did that just because if you were just itching to get into the weeds
and if anybody wants to get
16:39:42 into any weeds. i'm happy to show you but it is 4, 34, 35.
16:39:49 I think so. Can you describe who and the end users are in this case every person in enter in that is, in DCD.
16:40:00 And every person in environmental health, and several people at the Public Works Department.
16:40:05 Terry Duff, Eric Kuzma, John Fleming.
16:40:09 There. There they have a smaller number of cases, and so they will be.
16:40:14 They have access for the cases that they will regularly be working on Gotcha.
16:40:19 Okay? And are there training modules available for contractors or property owners to to learn how to use this, as well, you know, they're definitely are some for contractors.
16:40:34 I think they assume that the citizen self-service portal is kind of self-explanatory.
16:40:41 I don't know that that's really the case as we approach applying online.
16:40:48 There are some jurisdictions that have put together some really nice brief videos on how to apply online.
16:40:55 And so we, you know it would be appropriate for us to make use of those basically that with your contractors that you choose, you know 2 or 3 contractors or designers that submit
regularly to you and use them as your test
16:41:10 subjects, so you know, so that you can work through some bugs and make sure that they understand and tweak anything that you need to in order to, you know, facilitate smooth
smooth applications.
16:41:23 That's that is one of the areas that is the most challenging with online applications is, if somebody submits an incorrect application.
16:41:32 You can't you know you can't reverse it you just have to void that application.
16:41:39 Start over. So there's some there's some there's some sticky things about applying online, which is why the simplistic applications will be the first.
16:41:50 We will attempt. Okay, thank you it's very exciting and ha how do you think that?
16:42:00 We as commissioners can be helpful I don't know I just I love software.
16:42:08 I went in. i'll share my screen just to to join you for a minute here.
16:42:15 So. you know I I I would encourage you to stop in at the training just just to kind of take a look at things as we move forward with customer self-service, you know we're always
open to ideas, and and if
16:42:30 you see something that you think we should add, If you have a program or something that you think, Gosh!
16:42:36 You know, if we had that data that would really be helpful when we apply for a particular permit, or for something, or a particular grant or a particular proposal, needs this
data.
16:42:48 Do we have this data? Can we? Can we report on this data?
16:42:52 I see, probably in a lot of cases that's a place that you all could play a helpful role is is helping DCD.
16:43:01 Staff and and and help department staff understand where you need data, and where an aggregation or summary of data would be useful to you.
16:43:14 We do them on a regular basis for grants and projects that we're working on that.
16:43:20 We know we need. but you may have some that we aren't aware of, and I just like to add that the commissioners the Bucc can help in extending the longevity of this her proic
effort that
16:43:36 linda's put together i've loved this presentation, and of course you're motivational tone to it is always helpful, despite having been so deeply invested in the serious mechanics
of this, for So long when
16:43:49 do we love you deeply? and I can see that the clusters are excited about it, so that's great.
16:43:54 You've been affected, I think the data specialist role is really necessary for this innovation to have life, and it's it is so very exciting, not only internally, and between
the departments, but for a customer on
16:44:10 the other end, making it as a successful engagement as possible for them with us in terms of serving them.
16:44:17 So So we're really strong advocates for this data specialist role in the county that we do not have yet, and we just wanna promote that, and say how much we could benefit from
that in collaboration with other
16:44:31 departments who need that data specialist, expertise to together these various components to get the work done right and to say everybody time.
16:44:44 This is a true example of, like the highest order, lean person process.
16:44:47 In my opinion, Linda, and we just want that to keep working and to in the long run.
16:44:55 Really have someone at the stead of keeping that going well, especially as it integrates with other things like munice and other software slash databases that we all are relying
on.
16:45:08 Yeah, I just wanna say thank a big thank you to mark because we would not have gotten as far as we are on this, you know, Mark advocated heavily for it.
16:45:18 And so we've worked to put together a job description and work with Sarah to finalize that, And so we're just.
16:45:24 We're just moving forward one step at a time but I do think that we would all probably have more effective use of the databases if we had a staff person who really understood
the language, and could could most effectively utilize the tools that
16:45:43 are available. Yeah, i'd say the language and the capabilities of the various databases that are out there.
16:45:53 And I also just want to, you know. add Mark kind of you know.
16:45:55 Set it in the very beginning. What an effort it was for Linda to do this!
16:46:00 And I just want to echo that. And it was not just effort.
16:46:05 It was a Hercules effort. and Linda just doggedly moved us all forward, even the ones that were maybe a little more resistant. and or had more challenges.
16:46:21 And she just deserves an amazing round of applause.
16:46:25 For this, the sticking with it component of this project, which is was no easy task.
16:46:33 Nice thank you thank you thank you well that's the thing, you know, we all have a job to do, and I have to admit that I think we didn't really we didn't we didn't actively
16:46:48 anticipate the amount of work that would be involved.
16:46:51 They felt very common that we can take this on our database.
16:46:55 We can make this happen, and and we have but it. it has been extra. you know.
16:47:01 Everybody has participated, taken time out of their day to day job, and everybody has a ton of work to do.
16:47:09 So I I totally get that. this is this has been a big effort on the part of every single staff person in environmental health.
16:47:17 And DCD. and this is no this is no small task.
16:47:22 So it a really team effort for sure. Nice work, everyone, hey?
16:47:27 Thanks, Linda. So we'll see a proposal about this data specialist or it'll be in somebody's budget or mark's gonna Okay, thank you I get the point about efficiency.
16:47:45 Though, and not wasting people's time and how one person really understands It can keep a lot of people moving forward with something instead of sitting in a little puddle of
tears and frustration which is probably where the number of folks
16:48:00 would be, I imagine, along the way. Yeah, I think I think one of the one of the places where things get lost is.
16:48:09 And and this certainly happened with tied mark when we didn't have when we didn't have Tom because we didn't have anybody for a number of years, and people just start to migrate
to doing it the best way they
16:48:20 can they? Yeah, they kind of twist it. They do a little bit here.
16:48:23 They did not really in any kind of organized concerted way and that's a weakness, because you know you start getting off track, and then you start to get dirty data
16:48:36 Hey? Well, thank you, Linda, you're welcome giving us into a new century.
16:48:46 Here, indeed! Thank you for coming. Is there anything?
16:48:53 Oh, did we have public comment listed on this agenda item?
16:49:00 We did. Okay, we have a hand up. So we are going to have a public comment period about the implementation of aircraft.
16:49:11 And if anyone wishes to make public comment, they can use the raise hand button at the bottom of the zoom screen or press star 9.
16:49:19 If you're on the phone and I sat Tom tears had his hand up, and he's now with this in the zoom room.
16:49:24 So, Mr. Tears, you have 3Â min sorry to keep you longer it's been a long day.
16:49:34 I listening to the presentation i've i've gone through a lot of database conversions in my career, and I've never seen one go cleanly, and it if this one goes cleanly.
16:49:44 That'll be great. But there will be problems there always are you know there's the issue of trash stuff that accumulates in the old database.
16:49:55 It has convert, ask for 100. Conversion was just an example.
16:50:00 Lots of stuff got lost in the process and so the question here is what are we doing to make sure that there are public records that are of archival value that aren't going to
be discarded in this process you know who's gonna
16:50:11 offer this to make sure that stuff that should be kept isn't being discarded accidentally some serious tension needs to be paid to that.
16:50:23 The other question I have are actually a real concern I have.
16:50:28 Is this business about? supposed privacy of data? DCD.
16:50:31 Appears to be making a decision here about what data should and should not be visible online.
16:50:38 And I think the the better approach to this is if the information would be disclosable by public records request it should be online.
16:50:46 The county shouldn't try to create its own set of exemptions. Because if you do that, then you're gonna be forced.
16:50:53 Do you have the you're gonna force the public to submit records request which takes even more staff time, and so forth.
16:50:59 So if it's not exempt from this disclosure it should be available online.
16:51:05 That makes the decision much much easier. and you shouldn't be making up any any homegrown rules about privacy.
16:51:12 Let let the State log over, and what you do there so that's it.
16:51:16 I won't keep any longer. Thanks very much thank you Tom, we appreciate your comment and your attention to detail and you're still with us.
16:51:26 So. Anyone wanna respond to that or any anybody else on the line Wishing to make a public comment, I should ask for that first.
16:51:44 Yes, yeah. what wasn't converted will Continue to reside in tied mark, and will be available There's numbers of records, not all of which are available.
16:51:59 Online. we don't have the resources to do that
16:52:10 Any other questions or thoughts on this agenda item I just think it's super exciting, and like I said I've been talking about it since before I was a commissioner.
16:52:19 So glad to see We've made so much progress look for it to I agree with Mr.