HomeMy WebLinkAboutclosed_caption09:03:56 Monday morning, August first, and I will call this meeting at the Jefferson County Board of Commissioners to order having a little bit of technical delay. not not technical
difficulty here, but delay.
09:04:11 This morning, so sorry if people are trying to get on. We are just now getting rolling.
09:04:16 A couple of minutes late. call us to order and as we always do.
09:04:25 We'll start with public comments if there's anybody who's joined us this morning with an interest in making public comment.
09:04:30 You can do so by using the raise hand button at the bottom of your zoom screen.
09:04:37 So i'd love to hear from I also wanted to know for the record.
09:04:42 On consent, we added, this morning. So someone looked at the consent agenda before the weekend, and you can talk about this again during consent.
09:04:52 But I thought i'd bring it up before your public comment period that the item regarding Number 7 right longevity payments.
09:05:00 Thank you. Yeah, that was added And Sarah, Mount sounds on the call, too, if you need.
09:05:07 If you have questions about that one. the time comes but for the public just wanted to be aware that the it's been added to our our Av.
09:05:15 Capture online as well, so they can view it there. anyway, just calling it out for the record.
09:05:21 Okay, so make another call. If anyone's interested in making public comment this morning.
09:05:28 You can use the raise hand button at the bottom of your zoom screen, and as we always do, we'll leave public comment open until 9 30 not seeing any hands go up.
09:05:46 Anyone that wanna comment on any of the written public comments you received
09:05:54 Right. I see your finger going up. Yeah, my last month.
09:05:57 Yeah, just that we're going through a new process of getting Jeff Voc notes in.
09:06:03 I saw one that was addressed to me about a camper across with causal Brown, and I will respond to that note, though I just kind of saw it this morning.
09:06:11 Takes a couple days for those 2 routes, and just that
09:06:15 There are no new campers allowed currently at the existing casual Brown because of it was just.
09:06:23 It was a deal they had in a room for the 21 from the fairgrounds.
09:06:26 When we expand into the second area which has now been fully funded, there will be spot for 27 more.
09:06:33 But much the same way as if someone put a camper up across the street from your house.
09:06:37 It's not because you live in the house that the camper is there, but there is.
09:06:40 There is association so i'm not sure what to do about it.
09:06:45 Looks like there's some garbage dumped on the ground as well.
09:06:46 But i'll take a look at it I think that's actually city on that side of the road is is city property.
09:06:52 So i'm not sure what the parking rules overnight are, in fact, but correlation, not causation.
09:06:59 And I will respond to that email. Thanks, Greg, I would just say in terms of written public comment.
09:07:04 We received a number, maybe 10 on further input on the timber sales.
09:07:12 We've been talking about and interest in us looking, taking another look at Penny Wise or considering unit 7, and I did speak with Mallory about, you know, taking a look at
unit.
09:07:26 7. She was gonna go out there with Mike Cronin.
09:07:29 So not sure if that's happened yet. but anyway, I have we here, we hear you and we are, or at least I am in conversations with some of our forestry experts.
09:07:41 And they are taking another look at that unit don't know where where that will lead.
09:07:46 But just just say, you know, and anything else anyone on the phone on Zoom interested in making a public comment at this time.
09:08:02 You can do so by using the rain. Raise hand button at the bottom of your zoom.
09:08:07 Screen. Okay. Well, there are no more comments on written public comments.
09:08:13 We could move on to consent. Agenda Did anyone have anything?
09:08:18 They wanted to call out on the consent agenda this morning. it's a beefy one, and we might note that we have our intro county administrator with us today marks off this week
but rather the
09:08:32 first one. the objectives and procedures for the the budget is a really important document.
09:08:39 I I thought it really encapsulated the work that has been done already by the departments and by the Commissioners, and you know, even by the collective bargaining agreements
which I think kind of prestage this this this dip you know
09:08:52 Larry Powell might say we're not in a recession, but you know if it quacks like a recession and walks that over session, I don't know I I appreciate the conservative approach
that we're
09:09:01 taking. and you know, I think we we have been making, hey? while the sun is shining, and want to just make sure that we continue to focus on those state of Federal dollars and
leveraging them.
09:09:10 You know our our our residence tax dollars back into Jefferson County infrastructure.
09:09:16 But really appreciate that document and as he a lot of other important work here, too.
09:09:22 I'm trying to I don't think I have anything Oh, I was curious about the Oh, no, that's the lodging tax change.
09:09:28 I guess we're actually talking about but I I don't know Want to understand that better.
09:09:33 But it's not so i'm glad to have new Board of Health members, though we'll work on some onboarding as as the chair of Board House.
09:09:44 I'll reach out to apple and Dr. Barry and and come up with a good onboarding as we goes through quite a dramatic change at the point, and we are talking about the changes to
the l tech
09:09:56 ordinance later this afternoon, and I can talk about that when we get there.
09:10:00 Are with this. but our Philip can yeah kate I saw that you're unmuted.
09:10:08 Do you have something to add. Yeah I I I didn't have a chance.
09:10:14 Like some. some travel last week. for work and didn't get a chance to get mark my comments on the budget objectives before he left town.
09:10:26 I felt like it missed. the mark a little bit and I I don't want to delay the process especially with him out of town, but I I I was I regretted that it didn't you know I heard
I wanted to
09:10:37 leave room for some really strategic initiatives that I think this Board is interested in carrying forward, and it didn't really mention those.
09:10:46 So I I worry a little bit that things like a hiring freeze.
09:10:50 That that could be construed. But, you know, should we be hiring consultants, you really want to be appreciated?
09:10:57 A few important projects that are probably going to include consultants.
09:11:00 So just want to just sort of put a pan in that.
09:11:03 I I wish I had been able to get the important feedback to Mark before he left, and fine with it.
09:11:12 Going forward today, but was lacking what I really wanted to say in it, which is that we expect revenues to soften and even potentially to flatten.
09:11:23 We know that our expenses are continuing to increase cost of doing business. Possible Living right now is going up for everybody.
09:11:31 But that we do have some extraordinary revenues, and that we want to put that towards moving the needle on some really intractable issues.
09:11:37 So. don't think the document necessarily contradicts that. but doesn't call out kind of the biggest priorities for me, and looking to the budget year ahead yeah there's space
left for it But it.
09:11:48 Definitely. you have to read between the lines. I I agree. I think that is no mission, and you know we can.
09:11:56 I mean this is a guideline. for all our departments to come up with your budget, so I mean if it's I don't know, Heidi.
09:12:03 Do you think that I I cut reading between the line?
09:12:09 The Row Mission is is important enough to make a change, because I I think we could make a modification if you, If if you think that it would be appropriate, or can we modify
this?
09:12:18 You know, next week without undo impact. There there was a There was an August first deadline for this budget guidance.
09:12:33 There are. There is item, 3 which is additions to general fund based budgets, including for me, general form ad request.
09:12:44 I mean, I think a process is there for making those requests.
09:12:51 And we did discuss that with with Mark last week in this budget item.
09:12:58 Maybe it's just the language isn't to your satisfaction Kate.
09:13:06 Yeah, we we always have the authority to make changes to the budget.
09:13:14 I guess I just wanna you know my my concern is that it's not clear the word communicating clearly to our our partners.
09:13:23 A fellow elected and department directors kind of what?
09:13:25 How we are approaching this budget cycle but again. I I don't.
09:13:31 I don't wanna hold up the process we budget or Excuse me.
09:13:34 We publish a bunch of calendar months in advance, so we need to stay on it.
09:13:41 That are adding a short paragraphs.
09:13:46 About the strategic initiatives of the Board
09:13:56 Do you wanna pull? Do you wanna pull this item? Are you proposing?
09:13:56 We pulled assignment from consent. Well, how do folks feel about that?
09:14:01 If I were to draft some language maybe over the lunch hour add it in, I think I mean, yeah, we don't wanna miss the deadline.
09:14:11 The calendar is important for us as well as it together. staff members. so I i'd be open to pulling that.
09:14:18 And and then, Kate, take a stab at it just to to reflect that because I I mean I saw it.
09:14:23 But I agree it's not explicit and is is a guy who's document.
09:14:28 Of course it should be explicit so yeah i'd be happy with that.
09:14:32 Okay, So we're gonna pull item one from consent Carolyn, and we'll consider it this afternoon. Okay, Yeah, and I'm on the phone with Judy Shepherd the finance manager i'm letting
her know So
09:14:47 if does she have any concerns about us revisiting this after lunch, to ship out have a timeline that must be aware of.
09:14:53 I think I'm sorry I think at lunchtime that should be fine if you're .
09:14:59 Okay, thank you. Well, i'll move that we pull item one from the consent agenda and approve and adopt the remainder's items to through 14, as presented.
09:15:18 I will second all in favor hi Okay, consent agenda is adopted.
09:15:25 So i'm gonna make another call for public comment here is there. Anybody with us on the phone today or on Zoom today?
09:15:33 You would like to make a public comment you can do so by using the raise hand button at the bottom of your zoom screen.
09:15:42 I'm seeing anybody in their hand so okay Let's see.
09:15:51 So we have until 9, 45. We have half an hour.
09:15:55 We could do a briefing. So you wanna kick that off
09:16:04 I can start. We have a calendar here right screen last week, let's see
09:16:17 We're all together on Monday of course nothing after Monday. on on Tuesday.
09:16:25 I took a fan tour with Kischer. Dean was there as well with Puget Sound express on their new to Jefferson County.
09:16:34 Well train vote and man. it's fast made it into Canadian waters in just a couple of hours.
09:16:39 It was great fun, and and you know the whole family operation over there.
09:16:44 The Hanky family are such good hosts and such an integrated group.
09:16:48 It was really excited for the expanded service in in 4,000.
09:16:53 On Wednesday. at the budget meeting. Okay. everything.
09:17:00 Anything additional there met with. so tons sucker about the the causal brown lease that we're gonna be considering and discussing.
09:17:11 This afternoon we had a 700 development meeting on Wednesday.
09:17:17 Everything is still moving a pace the I don't know if I ever shared with you guys about some of the scope issues and contingencies.
09:17:30 But Clark construction took responsibility for a big item that had been kind of a hanging chat on that for a while, and was really pushing the construction contingency.
09:17:41 Have all the caps down close to 0 which really the breathing room allowed for there is great and most all the materials are purchased now.
09:17:50 So I think we're to pass most of the cost increases which is good.
09:17:54 We had a a great housing fun board meeting a little, maybe a little all over the place, but really moving forwards, awarded causal brown.
09:18:07 The they were the only applicant for the the second franchise.
09:18:11 The other applicant that we thought was interested bayside I don't think they quite achieved signed on the property they were interested in.
09:18:19 So. They asked for that remaining gap to complete the infrastructure which only Cap has continued working on.
09:18:27 I think the septics going in this week and that's so the construction is fully funded now.
09:18:33 Operations are still an issue and still ongoing, ongoing plan. as well as you know, a a path path to permanence is is really exploring.
09:18:44 As we discussed here previously, we talked about a bunch of different stuff.
09:18:50 Actually I don't know i'll maybe kate as something else to add, but very, very productive meeting.
09:18:54 Add a new member in Bob Davis and getting going we have to do our update for the 5 year plan by November eighteenth.
09:19:02 So he's a little from the city is leading that 5 year plan conversation. And we added, Vicki Sonto, who was giving us very valuable information.
09:19:10 On Thursday. I did Jeff, calm, and that was a good meeting and a little bit of a cold all last week, so I did everything remotely.
09:19:21 And
09:19:26 You know the replacement for active cad, shield, force and crew force which allows for kind of cell phone accessibility to tickets and everything from Jeff com to fire and law
enforcement that conversions going very smoothly.
09:19:41 cost a lot more, Jeff commented, taking a lot of the initial per unit cost on its own shoulders for vote for different different.
09:19:51 Members of Jeff Con. the different fire departments and law enforcement agencies, and it seems like it's a substantial improvement.
09:19:59 There's you know areas that the comfortable old active cab It was really managed by database manager in the city's employee.
09:20:08 Seems like a substantial update. so moving on there, still a real hiring crunch.
09:20:12 But they do have 14 potential applicants right now. they're going through the process. but they are like all our other departments really starve for staff right now, and we
have to have 24Â h a day you know, 2 people on it creates
09:20:28 a real burden on vacation time, and and all of the staff are performing significant over time.
09:20:35 So something to to work on. there. they'll be at the fair looking for folks.
09:20:39 If you need a job, though. it's a great job you know.
09:20:42 Interesting thing we just you could be in national news with another outhouse story.
09:20:45 So Then the swack meeting was Thursday afternoon, and kind of getting back in the swing of things there.
09:20:56 Starting excited to start. Capital capital facility planning, and Matt vivrek the consultant that I I was moving over their scope of work last week, and they were at the meeting
as well to kind of kick
09:21:10 it off, so really excited about that process starting to unfold J.
09:21:16 That was cancelled and met with Gary Gant.
09:21:21 That field office director for Washington from Hud for our weekly or monthly check-in with House America in the program.
09:21:28 And he is going to be coming out on the day of our Icg.
09:21:31 Meeting August eighteenth thursday to tour Everything from Peter's place, and payside into the Shelter to Dub house shelter, and American American Legion in Seventh Haven.
09:21:42 There was talk about having him at the icg meeting but He probably will not be here that long, and that Icg meeting seems like it's pretty packed already, so he won't be at
the Icg.
09:21:52 Meeting, and that was my week. that's a question for you Greg.
09:21:59 How is How is the new recycling protocol going, or people getting it?
09:22:05 And no longer putting the white dairy plastics in, or what's the level of contamination? It's not perfect. Laura did report on that lower tucker and contamination is down There
are still lots
09:22:18 of questions coming in and there's you know as Tom tears point out there's always exceptions that kind of become complex.
09:22:25 But overall the the new rules simplicity, of it and the the flyer has been really appreciated, and has led to less contamination.
09:22:36 That's great to hear it's not evident from the the recycling Ben's in and where it had that time station.
09:22:45 Well, you guys are, you know, in every every competition you guys are kind of Yeah, I know I was doing my plastic recycling last week, and I saw, like a whole like one of the
whole quarters of the Ben full
09:23:01 of those Amazon air bubble pocket pockets.
09:23:05 Those are not recyclable people, those little Amazon.
09:23:09 Can you recycle them at the film place, I think you can yeah, it's a service like we'll go with anywhere. Plastic film is which the grocery stores.
09:23:19 Do collect the plastic bill right it's a great option 1 one thing Lord did point out is there's there's still a lot of clean styrofoam which means that the styrofoam
09:23:27 recycling options. which are developing and you know we've got a new group that's kind of doing them on a volunteer basis, or maybe they're making some money.
09:23:35 I hope. are we not? We might need to amplify them but a little little.
09:23:38 Wait behind them as we as we move forward. because that's a great option and and horrible to see them in the garbage when they don't have to be so okay, So I see a hand up and
we still are in our
09:23:48 public comment period. So let's take a public comment Tom tears you'll need to unmute and could be brought over.
09:23:55 I mean first, and then i'm here at connecting to audio.
09:24:00 Okay, Tommy, You Tommy had 3Â min for public comment.
09:24:09 Good morning, Thanks. since you were talking about the recycling center one of the things that's in the contract.
09:24:19 For the folks that are processing the recycling school folks is that they're supposed to have people observing the the You know what's being put into the various bins, and every
time that i've gone
09:24:30 there. I have never seen anybody doing that job. no, they do have cameras monitoring.
09:24:37 But those things are too far away to see in detail what people are actually dumping in.
09:24:41 So you know. if you're gonna put something in a contract that we're paying for you probably ought to enforce the terms of it.
09:24:48 So I would, would suggest, maybe a little chat with those folks would be in order.
09:24:55 Because I have seen a whole lot of, you know, inappropriate stuff.
09:24:58 So called contamination still being mixed in in in the various bins.
09:25:04 It's always amazing to me How people don't understand what is, and what is not cardboard.
09:25:10 And and so forth. I never did get an answer to the question about like aluminum pipelines, you know.
09:25:17 If you crumpl them up into a ball, they are just the same size as a tin can.
09:25:22 They shouldn't interfere with any of the conveyor equipment or anything else. and you know aluminum is like the most valuable recyclable metal that that goes through that place
so you know
09:25:35 some clarification on that would be helpful, anyway.
09:25:39 Thanks for bringing it up. Commissioner Brotherton. give me the opportunity to once again chime in.
09:25:47 Thanks. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, thanks for the comment i'll make sure to bring that to to Al.
09:25:52 I know that you know our education. specialist. Lord tucker is there on a you know often, but certainly not you ubiquitously assuming they don't have that enhanced button on
the cameras that all the movies
09:26:02 do you're you're probably right it is pretty useless and after the fact as well, and another thing that Nora had talked about is when someone sees some bad stuff in the recycling
that just gives card launch to throw anything else
09:26:14 after it in there. So you know, prevention is really important.
09:26:18 So I I will address that with that you know, for different staff.
09:26:23 There, you know, both the Cascade community connections manage staff and the scoop and staff.
09:26:28 So worth looking at. and I thought you'd asked about toilet paper rules before, but aluminum type pie. I think it's a similar thing where the anticipation of contamination means
that you say no if you had a
09:26:42 clean aluminum pie plan pan that you were crumpled up and put in there, and that would absolutely be a 100% recyclable if you had.
09:26:50 You know pie debris on it it would create more more gump than was worth it for the aluminum.
09:26:56 So it's it's one of those subjectives things that they would say it's not on the list don't recycle it.
09:27:02 But if you're if you're going above and beyond the call of duty, I think that that it would be fun to recycle.
09:27:09 So i'm gonna do a last call for public comment here?
09:27:14 9, 27. Does anyone has joined us on in the Zoom Room?
09:27:19 Here have a desire to make a public comment this morning. if so used to raise hand button at the bottom of the zoom screen on.
09:27:27 How many times I've said that this year okay not seeing any hands go up, Kate.
09:27:34 Do you wanna do? briefing from last week? Sure. Can you hear me?
09:27:38 All right. Yeah. oops. Okay. Sorry i'm on a little phone and imperfect.
09:27:50 So Tuesday morning. I had the Economic Development Council Finance Committee meeting and something that we're gonna have to think about.
09:28:04 Is if we want the Edc. to be part of the intergovernmental collaborative group. So if that's going to the administrators.
09:28:10 But we also want the the boards to weigh in on kind of interaction.
09:28:15 We want to have with the Edc. on a regular basis, and they are responsible to report to us quarterly.
09:28:21 Which would would sync well with the Icg meetings.
09:28:28 So just stay tuned for that again. abc's just really working and trying to get there.
09:28:34 You know organization kind of in order. Let us what a cleanup to do.
09:28:39 Then had a meeting Tuesday afternoon with Mark and Butler Community director to talk about
09:28:49 The short term rental regulations and there is we outlined a few steps whereby we're gonna be getting some more information from Grannicus to present to you, too.
09:29:06 Heidi Greg to see if if we want to continue to pursue some of the services that they provide, and and get an idea of what scope and kind of questions you you are interested.
09:29:17 So stay tuned. But definitely identified a number of important questions and a a path forward potentially, Yeah.
09:29:27 I also get to spend the wheel watching boats with cute sound express, very generous, and they offer a day for their community partners and impressive new vote.
09:29:37 It did not permit me from getting quite seasick, but it managed to hold it together.
09:29:44 But so darn fast and it was a beautiful day.
09:29:49 So really really grateful that they they see the value in including community partners and
09:29:55 Not a good networking went on there as well. see.
09:30:00 Wednesday. we had our Budget Committee meeting.
09:30:05 You know equipment to our earlier. conversation it's really hard to read the tea leaves right now.
09:30:13 So the the economy, the State is still expecting revenues to say, really strong, and we tend to follow those trends.
09:30:22 So be Yeah, it's it's it'll be interesting to see what this year brings. see. had a couple of conversations about our forestry efforts will be .
09:30:38 Continue to talk about, and trying to talk to me I can't right now
09:30:46 And then went to Mainland station with the island, and was there much of Wednesday afternoon.
09:30:54 Used to be quarterly meeting now, kind of as as we're able to with Covid but wanted to hear about the the new commanding officers understanding of the that the first navy's
proposed budget, basically cut
09:31:14 the garlic program in in their budget, and that would have a massive impact on I would be but 5 squadrons.
09:31:24 Would be remove some of these program. and mothball.
09:31:30 So we did get some information on that it's interesting. the
09:31:37 But proposal. is was largely saying that the groundler program, was did not kind of meet the the the cost benefit analysis of the navy.
09:31:49 And it's interesting because we've just been hearing for so many years.
09:31:51 How essential the brother program is for the future.
09:32:00 Submission and national security So it's it's it's very bizarre. So suspect there's a lot more politics involved than we're hearing about.
09:32:07 But they were quite forthcoming and saying that that was why included so kind of a bizarre, I always feel like there's a lot of reading between the line. So we meet with the
military and of course, they consider a barcode on
09:32:19 there. but did get to meet when you commanding officer there.
09:32:26 Actually looks a lot like Tom Cruise.
09:32:30 Thank you. So it's a real top gun situation over there.
09:32:35 Then we have the housing phone board meeting, as rig mentioned. and please.
09:32:41 That really Cap got the funding they needed to find the next phase of Tesla Brown and the pretty robust
09:32:49 Conversation about short term rentals in the county also there's a lot of interest on the from the board, and it has a fun board in us pursuing right there
09:33:04 Around on this little screen. they're staying morning let's see!
09:33:12 Oh, great news! Probably heard. but Did they have a meeting with our our childcare team, which is Jefferson Healthcare Ymca.
09:33:22 School district was not able to join this time in Community foundation.
09:33:28 But we found out that we are in the Senate budget for 1.3, 7, 5 million dollars for the childcare center, very exciting, also applying for Grant from the States, which would
serve as let me partial match
09:33:42 for the Federal funds. But, unless something extraordinary happens, we will gets that funding from coming through.
09:33:53 Senator Murray through the Usda World Development Program.
09:33:59 There had a meeting with interim, General manager Jefferson transit Nicole that she's doing a great job.
09:34:08 Just talked about a number of things upcoming including extension of the Transit Board, which sounds like there is interested in moving ahead with that North Olympic Development
Council meeting was Thursday afternoon and Couldn't
09:34:21 update on the many planning proxies. is in the midst of, and is so just kicking off.
09:34:32 There will be an energy summit in in the fall.
09:34:35 The national laboratory piano is funding energy resilience summit to see if potential projects come out of that.
09:34:43 That's a space that they are interested in and very interested in working locally on, So that's exciting to 2 more information there.
09:34:49 And is it going to be a follow up to the bron band summit?
09:34:52 So great hopefully. you'll hear about that via J.
09:34:58 Bet, but largely focused on a couple of disaster resilience, planning efforts that are wrapping up.
09:35:03 And I did send a copy. So sorry one was climate change.
09:35:09 How it interfaces with disaster resilience. It published a report.
09:35:15 Community efforts that took place the last 6 months or so, which basically took the planning for climate change report.
09:35:23 That was completed many years ago and identified and prioritizing very specific projects to kind of implement incoming years.
09:35:33 Just so often brands become available and we say we really should do something.
09:35:36 But we we haven't done the work to figure out what is feasible.
09:35:40 What is most would be most impactful and so this process participated in identifying and ranking some priority project so happy to share that with anyone who's interested and
glad to have that work done Jefferson county didn't
09:35:57 participate as much as most of the jurisdictions were just pretty shorthanded.
09:36:01 Dcd. especially when that was going So good to have that done that one question about the Jefferson transit conversation with Nicole. Did you say expansion of the Board? You're
talking about Okay, great
09:36:15 so, being talked about, i'm i'm I'm excited about the possibility.
09:36:18 Yeah, it's gotta be a real cool school district now.
09:36:22 Yes, we did speak about that, and so that will be coming to the board in our August meeting.
09:36:29 That's great yeah, as usual it's a complicated conversation.
09:36:36 So you know it. The statute is poorly written it's been, and it's room for interpretation, which you will.
09:36:44 You will see when we talk about it in transit I don't want to go too far into it, because we are a form of the transit board, so i'll just say stay tuned, and anyone who's interested
should follow transit
09:36:52 for updates there. Friday morning we had a briefing upcoming Leadership Council meeting of the Pug Time partnership and that is to the solution is responsible for approving
the large capital projects that Get funded
09:37:16 via, both Federal and State dollars and we're anticipating, again, because of extraordinary revenues from the Feds as well as the State.
09:37:25 More projects than usual, and so there's a process where by a couple of groups, go through a ranking process, and because we never seem to do things easily here in Jefferson
County that the big kind of elephant in the room
09:37:39 is the deck of bush estuary, project 101 replacement. They're like making a large bridge causeway over the estuary.
09:37:51 That that is, you know, still has an enormous need right now.
09:37:57 15 million dollars in that large capital project list is the decoration of some desire to have that remains.
09:38:04 So as is so up in the case. like Go into the regional or statewide rooms. and it's a little tricky to know how to vote to, a you know.
09:38:15 Vote to bring in dollars to Jefferson county at any cost or do we say, what's this that we know most effectively spending dollars? that's not be a little bit complicated?
09:38:26 Did you see or 50? I thought it was 50 million dollars. Yeah.
09:38:30 But in this in this ask it is specifically for 15, maybe because they knew 50 million dollars should be almost the entire state.
09:38:38 Allocation. and these are salmon recovery dollars, a mix of of funds.
09:38:45 But including our Co research participation office. the Federal Asteroid Program.
09:38:53 50% acquisition. so the anticipate may be coming up to 75 million dollars.
09:39:00 So you know, Still, a 15 is a huge chunk of that.
09:39:03 Given that there are many projects on the list for years. So still a lot of funding to put towards kept up projects, which is a huge priority, I think, for everyone really to
use these dollars for larger projects.
09:39:17 That we know are just extraordinarily hard to get funded.
09:39:23 Let's see some other constituents calls on my my computer might reboot here, too.
09:39:32 So if I disappear that's okay yeah So I think that was largely my week.
09:39:41 And just because I'm: on little bit of a spunky connection today, too, if i'm in and out of camera, that's why here by phone, Thanks, Kate. well I have a couple of minutes.
09:39:55 So I will give you the high points of my week last week.
09:39:59 Started off with, of course, with you guys on Monday, but Tuesday morning Finance Committee.
09:40:07 And I think that thing to report out there is Stacy is considering, the changing potentially, how we manage some of our investments using the State a State pooled fund as opposed
to her managing or our our local
09:40:24 managers managing the different investments independently, and that would be something that she would bring to us.
09:40:33 For consideration, but I think she was talking about. We have a lot of money and investments, and using the using the State tool would save us a lot of capacity and a lot of
counties have successfully use that approach So that was
09:40:50 one thing on Tuesday. see what's this we're talking about how we're doing the contract for the straight Ern Lao and I would just wanna give a shout out to Nodc they're gonna
take over
09:41:07 administration of the straight ern from the James Tom tribe, so thankful for that.
09:41:16 And then we're working through the next 3 year contract for the lao I didn't go on that the pedestrian express tour, despite my allegiance to all things maritime.
09:41:29 But I I stayed here to have a browsing conversation about regional septage issues with our regional septage, our our regional department of ecology, manager and looks like we
may be working.
09:41:46 With Klam Kids app thursday and maybe other Western Washington counties to put together a study bill to move through the Legislature this year to discover issues related to
regional septage management turns out there's a
09:42:01 number of them. and it's something we all take for granted being able to flush our toilets.
09:42:06 But there's a lot that goes on behind the scenes and managing all that waste.
09:42:11 So we have some constraints in our region and they're gonna look into those feel like I had 4 conversations about things going on in Chicago last week.
09:42:23 From a lot of real estate transitions, including the short farm that maybe maybe put on the market, and so there's a lot of talk in showing them now about the future.
09:42:33 That these keystone properties, including the chimicum cafes for sale and the fine reach cafe, and apparently the keg. and I.
09:42:43 And anyway, so Chimica is in play right now.
09:42:47 Budget Committee meeting with you all on Wednesday, and had a meeting with the State Auditors office Wednesday afternoon.
09:42:59 Marchemica meetings. Wednesday afternoon had a community foundation.
09:43:07 I'm gonna be hosting a an event to benefit the Community foundation in August.
09:43:14 So did some planning of that Thursday morning did agenda planning with Mark Thursday afternoon, Friday.
09:43:24 I helped lead a tour of a forest. 700 Acre forest and kits up called the Eglon Forest, and it's one of the part parcels projects.
09:43:35 It's been on the trustland transfer list for about 5 by any hour more, and it is one of our trust.
09:43:42 Then transfer pilot projects. So it was great to get out there in person, and was joined by Commissioner Gelder from kids, App and also stay there.
09:43:52 State Representative Tara Simmons, who I really enjoy it, and see like a super effective partner on these forest issues.
09:44:00 And so we will be working to move Eglon through the Trustland transfer Pilot in the coming legislative session, and I came back from that tour and did.
09:44:15 Oh, my ranking of the 10 Trust Line transfer Pilot project!
09:44:20 So those are our rank. Our committee rankings are due this week.
09:44:24 So got that work done, and then took a day off on Saturday and Sunday.
09:44:32 I did the most work i've done in probably a decade yesterday, helping my friends at Spring Rain Farm and chimicum at the Ballard Farmers market.
09:44:40 So their most profitable day. yet so I was glad to be a part of that.
09:44:46 But my body is crying today as a result, and I will be for the next.
09:44:54 For some days I will be with them at the ballard farmers market. So i'm going to be missing some important events in the community.
09:45:01 But I friendship matters and our farms matter, and they ask for help.
09:45:09 So there we are. and it's 9 45 i'm sorry I didn't with my hand a minute early for Kptz, but we are gonna switch over and bring Dr.
09:45:21 Barry, and likely Willie Bence I haven't even looked at the attendee list.
09:45:26 But over to join us, and we'll turn the broadcast over to Dr.
09:45:32 Barry. Good morning, Alison. Good morning. Nice to see you.
09:45:38 So on the Covid front. things are relatively stable.
09:45:42 So nationally cases, hospitalizations, and deaths are all largely stable across the country, and we're seeing a very similar picture in Washington State in Jefferson County.
09:45:54 Our case rates are actually slightly down this week compared to last, So we've diagnosed 5,270.
09:46:01 One cases of Covid 19. that puts our case rate at 690 per 100,000.
09:46:07 We do have a relatively high percent positivity at 17%.
09:46:10 So. certainly that is not all of the Covid 19 cases in our community.
09:46:15 We do have one of our residents currently hospitalized for COVID-19 for a total of 140.
09:46:21 One hospitalization so far. In this response and 30 deaths due to the virus in neighboring Clown County, we've diagnosed 14,662 cases of covid 19 with a case rate of 500 and
09:46:34 62 for 100,000 and a slightly lower percent.
09:46:36 Positivity of 12%. Similarly, we have one clown resident resident currently hospitalized for a total of 420.
09:46:45 One hospitalizations. We do have one new death to report in Cleveland County, for a total of 119 deaths.
09:46:54 That was a gentleman in his nineties. He was vaccinated and received one booster, but had not received his second booster yet.
09:47:02 He also had multiple underlying comorbidities, and the he and his family decided to transition him to comfort.
09:47:11 So on the Covid front. Not a lot of new news.
09:47:15 Still the same recommendations we've talked about on this program before. so we're a high quality mask in indoor settings to reduce transmission and to get fully vaccinated
and boosted which is 3 doses for
09:47:25 everyone under 65 and 4 doses for everyone over 65, and everyone who's Immuno suppress.
09:47:32 I wanted to take a brief moment to update on the situation with monkey pox, because that one is certainly heating up in the national sphere as well as in state.
09:47:44 At this point in Washington State we've diagnosed 118 cases of monkey pox in the nation as a whole, diag diagnosed over 5,000.
09:47:53 So currently the Washington State outbreak is smaller than much of the rest of the country, but we do anticipate that it will grow.
09:48:02 Just towards the end of the week 2 cases, we're diagnosed in Kitsap County.
09:48:07 So we do think in the near future we are likely to see cases in Jefferson County as well.
09:48:12 Quick reminder. Monthly pox will present as a new painful ratch.
09:48:19 That is a typical for you It can be anywhere. on the body and generally it's quite painful raised red, and then eventually scabs over.
09:48:28 Can look a lot like chicken pox or shingles.
09:48:31 Can look a lot like herpes rashes as well.
09:48:35 So if you have a new atypical rash for you, that is painful.
09:48:38 Please do contact your healthcare provider so that we can get you evaluated.
09:48:44 And make sure that it's that monkey packs if you believe you've been exposed to monkey packs because someone in your close personal sphere primarily a partner has been diagnosed
with monkey pox let us
09:48:54 know, because we do have vaccine available for those who have been exposed.
09:48:58 Monkey packs is spread by contact it's not like covid, so you can't get it by casually passing by someone.
09:49:07 But you can get it by close skin to skin contact that is prolonged with another person.
09:49:10 Primarily. We are seeing that in the context of sex, But we've also seen it with other prolonged skin to skin contact. and we can tax some more about monkey pox. as we move
further into the program because they know we got some monkey
09:49:22 pox questions from the Kptz listeners as well.
09:49:26 So with that i'm happy to take any questions from our commissioners. I have one simple one. Thank you.
09:49:34 I'm sorry my my computer was rebooting so I might have missed at the beginning. But I I I see the test ascertainment rate is something that I want on a regular basis.
09:49:44 Did. Can you repeat that, or tell me what the test test entertainment that you have for Jefferson County is sure. So let me.
09:49:49 I have not calculated the formal case as entertainment rates for this week, but I can make that a regular part of what we do.
09:49:57 But with our percent positivity up a little bit in the 17% range, I do think that pretty much we had been saying probably about a 50% case ascertainment rate, probably drifting
down closer to a 4 30
09:50:09 to 40% case ascertainment rate. at this point.
09:50:13 I think one of the primary drivers of that is school.
09:50:15 So with school being out. we're just not catching as many pediatric cases, and so sometimes when we see that dip in cases it's not truly a dip, but just a dip in ascertaining
those
09:50:26 cases overall, I would say that our covid case rate in Jefferson is likely stable from last week.
09:50:33 Great, and then, I guess, can just public public service. Can you reiterate where people can get free tests?
09:50:38 We had a call go through my household last week. That was not Covid, as we could continue to test and prove
09:50:46 But it's a great resource I just want to make sure people have those those free tests. Yeah, so you can get Covid 19 tests if you're in a position to purchase them.
09:50:58 They're sold over the counter at really all of our major pharmacies.
09:51:00 But if you if not we have a free test available at the Public Health Department.
09:51:05 We also have them available at the libraries and at some of our South County Fire departments as well.
09:51:14 So there's a lot of places where you can go ahead and access free tests.
09:51:18 There's also the book mobile so if you don't have a library branch in your community.
09:51:23 If the book will be out, comes to you the test. Come on that as well, and they come fast.
09:51:28 If you order them in the mail that's true yes, that's a good option, as well I would recommend.
09:51:42 If you if you're out of tests in your house and you don't currently have a cold go ahead and order some tests so that you can have them there when you need them you don't want
to be trying to find them when
09:51:51 someone's sick. you can also order them from the Federal Government as well.
09:51:55 That takes a little more time tends to be more about 5 to 7 days, but they're still readily available test from. say, yes, Covid, test that you can have at your home.
09:52:04 And actually this is a good opportunity. One of our Kptz listeners asked a little bit about expiration dates of Antigen tests generally. At this point.
09:52:12 We say they expire about 18 months after they were after they were manufactured.
09:52:19 So on any test that you see, there should be a manufacturer date and an expiration date.
09:52:24 Many of them still have the old time stamps on them That said they expired after 3 months or 6 months, but we now know they last at least 18 months.
09:52:32 So if you look at your manufacturer date, add 18 months to that.
09:52:35 You could definitely be in the clear and in truth they likely last much longer than that. As long as they've been maintained at reasonable temperatures, ie.
09:52:44 Room temperature not frozen, not in a hot car so if You've been maintaining your tests in reasonable temperatures even beyond that 18 month threshold.
09:52:53 If the control line goes off when you test it they're likely.
09:52:59 Still good tests kind of follow up on that because in my flurry of tests last week I had one box that the control lines kept coming in super faint. So I I just wasn't sure So
I we had enough from say Yeah, say yes, covid
09:53:11 test dot org, which I really recommend to do them again.
09:53:15 But if we, if you have a faint control line, does that, what is that?
09:53:17 If you if you've certainly if you have no control line at all, it would not count on that test.
09:53:23 But if it's very faint if you've done tests before, and it's looking atypical to you that I think is a good indication to try a different test because if it's the control should
show
09:53:33 up bright and solid, and so if it's barely getting a control.
09:53:36 You might let miss a lower viral load case. Thanks, Dr.
09:53:43 Barry. Kate, do you have any questions I too. yeah and It's It's interesting.
09:53:49 I've been in Washington, Dc. right now, having my son move, and then he had to go to urgent care this morning, and it was a little shocking.
09:53:57 Everybody came into urgent care, was saying they thought they had come in and needed to get who made me really grateful for where we live.
09:54:06 But that has not been the case. partly smaller population. but you know it just made me think like how much of a risk are healthcare settings when you know we know that 6 people
come in and people with Covid need to get
09:54:19 treated sometimes. I i've always heard you say that health care settings are are pretty tightly regulated, required masking, and such.
09:54:28 But is that much of a risk when you know, when folks are needing care and going in to help your settings?
09:54:36 Should, should it make other people question their decision to see account care sure.
09:54:40 So can't speak to the situation in the Washington Dc.
09:54:45 Healthcare settings. But here we thankfully have had very good communication between our healthcare settings and our Public Health Department, and so places like Jefferson,
healthcare have very stringent requirements.
09:54:57 On how they manage kind of airflow in the treatment settings, how they manage patient populations.
09:55:03 And they do a good job of identifying. if you have Covid like symptoms, and moving you quickly into a room and out of spaces where other people might be.
09:55:11 And so I think the biggest risk in a healthcare setting is not the staff, but the other patients.
09:55:17 And so it when facilities manage that patient flow Well, it doesn't need to oppose a risk to other people seeking healthcare.
09:55:25 And I think you can feel very confident that It's safe to seek healthcare in Jefferson County.
09:55:30 They've worked really hard on making that happen but yes, people come in sick
09:55:37 And so if you are if you're high risk and you're accessing healthcare.
09:55:40 For either Covid symptoms or not. Covid Symptoms.
09:55:44 The most important thing from a patient perspective to keep herself safe is to wear a mask when you go in.
09:55:50 So if you're having a hangout in a waiting room, because there are healthcare shortages making sure that you're wearing a high quality mask during that time is really important,
Thanks, Dr.
09:56:00 Barry I don't have any follow up questions although i'm glad that my family is to this point still escaped contracting Covid and and did cancel my week my you normal summer
weekend of
09:56:15 crabbing because someone in my crab team was exposed to Covid.
09:56:21 So we just canceled it, and i'm like Oh, Covid Kills Crab Camp should be the headline, anyway.
09:56:28 So. but I saw that there were a number of kptz questions. I'd like to leave sure so the first one asked, How long are n 90?
09:56:41 5 mess good for, and can I leave it in my car when not in use?
09:56:44 Is Covid transmissible by touching the mask.
09:56:46 What after wearing it and so as far as how long K.
09:56:50 N. 95 or K. and 95 any of those mask.
09:56:53 How long they last. They do have technical expertiration dates.
09:56:57 But during the early days of the pandemic when we had a mask shortage, we really did some testing on how long they can last, and if they're if unused, the only thing that makes
them fail to work is if
09:57:09 the elastic no longer holds them tied against your face, so the mask itself doesn't really degrade over time, so there's no real formal expiration date on those when it comes
to using them for continuous use
09:57:24 We did study this in a healthcare setting so for give icu nurses that they could wear them for 5, 12 to 16Â h shifts before they started to lose their ability to filter primarily
because they lost the ability
09:57:37 to hold tightly to that person's face after 5 days of continuous strenuous use that's different than what we see in the general population when we're just wearing ours to go
to the store or to go to
09:57:50 work, so I would say, for your own use, for your N*.
09:57:55 You can wear it as long as it fits your face.
09:57:57 Well, if you start to if you start to see that it's not fully adhering to your face, or certainly if it's getting if it's getting soiled in any way, then it's time to go ahead
and trade it
09:58:07 out. The other thing you might feel is the fibers get get torn a bit to the longer you wear it, and so if you're starting to feel it, it weirdly, tickles the inside of your
face that's a lot
09:58:18 likely that the fibers are starting to fail. and it'd be good to go ahead and switch out your N-*. but you can use it for quite some time if you're only using it intermittently
as far as
09:58:27 transmission from the outside of your mask. That is a technical risk.
09:58:31 So when we were looking at this in the healthcare setting back in the early dark days of Covid, we really were worried about that.
09:58:38 Where the taking on an off-poster risk of getting covid on your hands?
09:58:44 It's an unlikely risk if your mask has been sitting out for a while.
09:58:48 It's more we were looking at, it in the context of going in and out of positive icu rooms for Covid, but when in doubt wash your hands, and then you can't transmit covid through
touching
09:58:59 other things so low risk from touching your mask.
09:59:05 This person. the next person asked: I have a friend who contracted Covid 19 and started showing symptoms, even though the Covid test came up negative.
09:59:13 For the first 3 days. Was she contagious? During those first 3 days, I would say generally not so. likely.
09:59:22 Statistically. Your friend was probably vaccinated based on our community, and so you're fully backinated.
09:59:29 Folks tend to mount symptoms even before they become contagious. and those symptoms are actually their immune system responding to fight the virus.
09:59:38 They're not seeing a significant spike in viral load the thing that can transmit to other people as early in their infection, that those first symptoms that they were feeling
are really their own immune system then once they turn positive on that
09:59:51 test that's when they became contagious there's a little bit of a window on either side of that.
09:59:56 So it's not impossible that they were contagious before they turned positive. but generally in those days before they turn positive on their test. They are not contagious, so
hopefully that helps any kind of contact tracing plans.
10:00:09 You guys are doing at home. we talk a little bit about expiration dates for your tests.
10:00:18 So if you have expired tests at home, I would say, go ahead and use them. If they If you're seeing the control line is either weak or non-existent, then go ahead and get some
more.
10:00:28 If you have, if You're all of your tests are after that 18 month, post manufacturer date, go ahead and order some more from, say, Yes, Covid, test or from the from the health
department.
10:00:39 If you're sick or exposed and we'll go ahead and take care of you, so that you can make sure you have good tests available.
10:00:46 This networks person asks a a very valid question.
10:00:50 That which is the scientific literature about other coronaviruses and past pandemics.
10:00:57 Give us any clues about how long covid nineteen's. Endemic phase could last could we be social distancing and avoiding indoor credit spaces for the rest of our lives.
10:01:06 So I don't think that we will be social distancing for the rest of our lives on average pandemics.
10:01:13 The pandemics that have come before have lasted about 2 to 3 years before.
10:01:18 They've settled into a phase where we no longer see these significant surges a virus that really affect our community as a whole.
10:01:29 And that is about where we are with covid so we do think that we're likely to settle stably into the endemic phase over the course of this year.
10:01:39 And then move to a new move to kind of this this new normal.
10:01:43 We don't think that covid is going away it will be with us, but it doesn't have to affect our society the same way.
10:01:50 So what I would say, as far as how it affects our lives.
10:01:54 It depends a lot on your baseline risk factors.
10:01:58 And the risk factors of the other people in your home.
10:02:00 I recommend for all people that we wear masks when we're in indoor areas.
10:02:04 If you are very high risk, So you're undergoing chemotherapy.
10:02:09 You are significantly immunosuppressed. There are some higher level things you need to do.
10:02:13 Make sure you're really wearing a high-quality mask.
10:02:16 So Canada 5 or higher in indoor settings where other people are around, and I certainly would avoid crowded indoor unmasked settings.
10:02:24 If you have those kind of high risk conditions but otherwise I think it is reasonable to start to bring back into our lives as much as possible of the things that make our lives
feel livable and meaningful, We've been doing this
10:02:37 for so long. that we need to find a way to live with this virus.
10:02:45 We should take reasonable precautions to minimize the impact on the vulnerable people in our communities and on our own families.
10:02:54 But it's also similarly important to take part in those activities that give life meaning.
10:03:02 So think about what those things are for you, and how to make them as safe as possible.
10:03:05 At this point. I don't recommend avoiding public spaces or or staying in your home.
10:03:11 It's too long to do that but there are ways that We can make that public engagement safer and primarily. that's being up to date on your vaccines and wearing a high quality
mask Now that the weather is better when
10:03:23 It's not too hot moving activities outside can always make them safer.
10:03:27 There's a lot of meaningful things you can do within that context.
10:03:31 This last person asked a couple questions one about Monkey Pox, and then they just asked some general personal questions, too.
10:03:40 I'll save the personal questions for last and we can wait in a monkey box a little bit. so as far as monkey pox goes, this person shared that they have a friend who's gay and
who's very worried about
10:03:50 monkey pox, and it's saying basically they're gonna abstain from in person sexual activity.
10:03:57 For the foreseeable future to try to prevent getting monkey pox.
10:04:00 And so that brought about a good question, which is, how can we protect ourselves and our community from monkey pox within reason?
10:04:09 So Monkey Pox is currently disproportionately affecting the gay community, but not exclusively, and it will not stay that way.
10:04:17 Right now it is. but being gay itself is not a risk factor for monkey pox.
10:04:23 Anyone can get monkey box, we are seeing that it can be spread through any close skin skin contacts, and it can be spread through any sexual activity, regardless of your identification.
10:04:35 And so, while we want to make sure and get good messaging out to the gay community, because there is that disproportionate impact right now, I want to be sure that everyone
understands that anyone can get monkey Pox and just being gay does not put
10:04:47 you at risk of monkey pox ways to reduce your risk.
10:04:53 Include avoiding high contact, close interaction. So there was an outbreak in Europe at a large scale.
10:05:01 Indoor dance party, because as you can imagine if you're really close shoulder shoulder and tank tops. you can spread monkey box, but so I don't recommend large-scale indoor
dance parties
10:05:14 for a variety of reasons, Monkey, Pox, and Covid.
10:05:16 But primarily the biggest way to prevent transmission of monkey pox in your day to day.
10:05:22 Life right now is around limiting sexual exposures. So you are very unlikely to contract monkey pox in a stable, monogamous relationship, primary goal.
10:05:33 There would be, minimize the total number of sexual partners.
10:05:37 If you are not in a stable, monogamous relationship.
10:05:40 A key. important part of starting sexual encounters with a new person is having open and direct conversations with that person.
10:05:49 So talk about their risk. Factors talk about any stis they might have talk about.
10:05:53 If they have any new rashes or if they're feeling ill if you're partner, has a new rash or a few, Ill definitely don't engage in sexual activity until they've been evaluated
If you have a new
10:06:04 stranger rash any of us. Please do contact your medical provider to get that checked out because we can test.
10:06:10 We can treat for monkey pox. Now we can treat for other rashes that might might take place.
10:06:16 So the same things that make sex safer generally also applied to monkey packs, limit your total number of partners.
10:06:24 Talk to your partners about their health status prior to having sex.
10:06:28 If and when you do have sex, make sure you use protection.
10:06:30 So condoms are very important. in in preventing all kinds of Sti transmission and preventing some types of monkey pox transmission as well.
10:06:43 And the last question I had from Kptz was a person who said they wanted to get to know me better outside of just as a person.
10:06:53 So they ask some simple personal questions. One was what is my favorite color.
10:06:58 It's yellow the other one what what is my favorite season autumn and the other one was what is my favorite animal, and it's the Olympic moment.
10:07:08 So So with that i'm happy to take any other questions from our Commissioners I mean sky's the limit now, right?
10:07:16 Oh, you broke this damn i'm not sure but i'll i'll refrain for now, and really consider my my personal question for you.
10:07:25 Yes, yes, very personal questions are still off the table. but simple things, like favorite color are okay.
10:07:33 Do you like a bright yellow or a melodram I like phenomena and yellow they're very calling me right. It's It's also very common in hospitals.
10:07:43 Yeah, it's a good color, hey? i'm not sure if you covered Dr. Barry.
10:07:48 If the vaccine for monkey pox is available in Washington State. Sure, let's talk a little bit about vaccine.
10:07:55 So the vaccine for monkey pox is called the genius vaccine.
10:08:00 There is limited availability of genius it's available right now only for people who have known exposures. to monkey pox.
10:08:09 So if you believe that you've been exposed so your partner tested positive, or you were at a gathering where multiple people have tested positive, go ahead and give us a call,
and we can talk to you about your risk and figure out
10:08:21 whether or not you were truly exposed. We would like to get you vaccine, and we can access that at Jefferson and public health, but only for people who have been exposed.
10:08:31 We don't currently have enough vaccine to vaccinate people who are at at risk in the community.
10:08:38 But we likely will by around the end of August, and let me talk about at risk.
10:08:43 I mean people at highest risk. And so right now, that is primarily kind of some subsets of the population.
10:08:50 People who would otherwise be eligible for prep treatment, but really are not quite at that level of vaccination.
10:08:56 Yet. we are likely to get to that point around end of August, and that will be primarily through the public health department when we can do that for the general population.
10:09:05 We don't have monkey pox vaccine available I would say, for the general population.
10:09:10 Your risk of monkey pox is low, and if you practice all of those safe practices, we just talked about limiting sexual partners talking to sexual credit, for, you have them using
protection.
10:09:21 And then of wedding very crowded, close in-person indoor activities.
10:09:26 If we do all that as a general population, the risk of monkey pox is relatively low, and so that's why we're not vaccinating the general population.
10:09:35 Yet and also because we don't have enough vaccine to do so.
10:09:38 We're also not vaccinating healthcare workers at this point, because this is primarily a contact infection.
10:09:44 And so with proper ppe there's no reason for a healthcare provider to contract monkey box And so we're mostly working on the the ppe and with the healthcare community, One other
quick thing on monkey
10:09:57 pox. So there is a treatment for monkey pox.
10:10:00 That is an investigational treatment, but has been quite effective for the cases found so far called teapox.
10:10:08 That is also in short supply. But we can help people access that if they test positive in our community as well, So if you have a new rash, it's really important to go get get
evaluated and tested right away because that one similar to
10:10:19 packs little bit. has a short window of efficacy and we want to try to get it to you as soon as possible, and it's a process to get it right now, because there's not enough
in the country.
10:10:28 But we will get it for you all that to say. If you have a rash, go get seen. If you think you might have been exposed, give us a call. we can help.
10:10:37 You. We have some tools to help you, but we can only do it when people self-identify to us because we don't have enough right now for the community.
10:10:48 Thanks, Dr. Barry. Any other questions. Gregor, Kate.
10:10:57 Well, I like bright yellow. Okay, Well, thank you so much.
10:11:06 Well, yeah, I don't know if you're you're off camera.
10:11:08 But I don't know if you have any updates for us. how how we fare with the the heat over the last few days.
10:11:14 Yeah, no major updates for me ever than Were we look to be out of the heat. We're in a little bit more of a cooling pattern.
10:11:22 We might actually get some rain midweek, which is very welcome.
10:11:24 This time year, and when you look to warm up a little bit, come this weekend but nothing like the the last heat.
10:11:32 With that we saw otherwise I just hope everyone stayed safe during the the heat in it a little bit longer than we initially thought during the the forecasts.
10:11:41 But fortunately the worst of it was right up front. I'm cooled a little bit from there, and then just hung around for a couple of days, so i'm out of the woods.
10:11:51 The last heat wave again, more more typical of a summer heat wave than the heat dome last year. i'm very thankful for that.
10:11:58 I've otherwise. no updates for me other than a plug for the All county picnic on the twentieth looking forward to that.
10:12:04 So that's all for me thanks willie i'll be interested in the corn.
10:12:09 The corn report. How much corn are we going to order for the picnic?
10:12:13 I will let you know. come next week, maybe the week after, as we are still taking sign-ups from our organized neighborhood.
10:12:20 So I do encourage folks. If you want to get your neighborhood involved in a picnic in place, or if you don't know if you live in an organized in prep neighborhood, now is the
time to reach out we'll
10:12:32 get you hooked up, and we can get you some free corn with that famous chimney sauce.
10:12:36 So I do it. Thanks, Willie. Okay. So Okay, here we go.
10:12:45 Hey? Willie i'm wondering just how the if you can give us a little update on if anything's happening yet on on the volunteer core, I actually met a local in prep.
10:12:54 Neighborhood leader the other other day who gosh just seems like great for kind of for this this volunteer core that we've been talking about.
10:13:05 And i'm wondering if you can give us an update on where that is or what's the timeline.
10:13:10 Yeah. volunteer core, which aspect specifically we're always recruiting for volunteers here at deem And we have a few different volunteer programs in different kind of states.
10:13:22 So anything specifically. Well, I guess maybe i'm just not remembering with very much specificity.
10:13:27 I thought that there was even staffing that we had supported to kind of build a deeper bench for for the next emergency.
10:13:38 This is just a and i'm wondering if there are opportunities. If we or other people meet folks that have you know, system skills, or you know, nursing skills or whatever that
we can put them in contact just to make sure that
10:13:51 they're on the list, and and you know ready to deploy, I guess what? What's the process right now? Yeah.
10:13:58 So the the process would be to get in contact with us at deem.
10:14:03 We have to. We background, check all of our volunteers and register them as emergency workers.
10:14:08 I'm under the State emergency management division and We have a couple of different programs that we can always use help in one.
10:14:17 Our incident management team here at Deem, is other than our professional partner, liaison's an entirely run by volunteers.
10:14:26 Those are the volunteers who work on out of the Eoc in our planning or logistic sections.
10:14:31 And so if they have good planning skills of organizational skills, and we can always use help. actually running and operating the Eoc If you're looking more for kind of field
level response, work we have a program, called search for
10:14:47 the community emergency response. team. that is a female educational program that teaches you some basic skills like first aid on search and rescue on a few other things like
that.
10:14:59 We've more or less paused that program. during covid as it requires some in-person training.
10:15:06 But we're getting that spun Back Up from fall and we also have a program called Our Medical Reserve Course.
10:15:12 So you mentioned someone with a nursing background or a medical background on the medical reserve core was something we didn't have prior to Covid but we built it up on the
fly to help meet the need with our back
10:15:24 to nation clinics, and so whether you're retired doctor, nurse on other medical skill, and we're building up that program to be able to potentially run future vaccination clinics
and respond to future emergencies
10:15:38 with a core of trained medical volunteer professionals to assist there. I'm.
10:15:45 In terms of the stopping you supported we are I'm hiring for a volunteer coordinator with Dean.
10:15:50 We actually made an offer to a candidate this past week and are currently going back and forth with them.
10:15:56 So we hope to have them up and running here. relatively zoom to support all of these different volunteer programs.
10:16:03 In the meantime i'm still the main point of contact for anyone interested in volunteering, and it is somewhat of a choose your own adventure program.
10:16:11 So depending on their interests, their skills and we can find a home for you, I mean, even if that's within imp who they aren't formal deem volunteers but getting organized
within your neighborhood meeting your neighbors talking
10:16:23 about your skills, and how you're going to help each other post is that that's freeze an option as well
10:16:29 But no matter what your skills, what your interests are if you want to help the community become more prepared, we definitely have a spot with you.
10:16:36 So I'm. not for you i'm so put them in tech me great thank you for the resumation, and I've got, I think Q would be great in the incident management.
10:16:44 Team. so I'll i'll reach out to you offline and of course, you know, sign you up for whatever corn duty is is needed.
10:16:50 I I always enjoy it. Nothing like give it away delicious corn and to engender goodwill exactly.
10:16:58 That's always the most popular part of the picnic is the is free corn so hard to be that. And that's great news about the volunteer coordinator. Willie.
10:17:06 Thanks for that update. Okay. it's 1017. So I think we can end our covid update for the week a little early and send kvdsil kptz listers back to Bob Marley
10:17:21 and Maybe we'll take a Recess until our hearing at 1030.
10:17:25 Does that work for you? Kate and Greg sounds good.
10:17:29 Okay, So you hear back here at 1030 I gotta check out Kpd Z. to see if they actually do put on Bar Marley.
10:17:35 Now i'm Curious that's my crab my crab Can I crap camp.
10:31:35 But as soon as you hear recording started it means i've turned on zoom, recording
10:31:50 Okay? So we are here for a hearing. 2022 conservation futures applications, and we are joined by a number of folks who are gonna share information with us as we reconvene here
for a hearing
10:32:10 conservation futures So tammy i'm assuming. so what we do with the hearing is we have a staff briefing, and here, from other stakeholders, and then allow time for commissioner
questions and and deliberation
10:32:24 and then open for any public comment that we might have so tammy I'm. Assuming you're gonna kick us off.
10:32:32 Sure i'll kick this off. and then make sure that David Sebrook has an opportunity to speak to these projects as well by way of introduction. But
10:32:43 2 projects were submitted by the Jefferson Land Trust for funding this year.
10:32:46 They are the Trust Lantern transfer Project and the Rock Salmon creep. Project the Quimper Trust.
10:32:54 Then transfer request $199,500 towards the p simple acquisition of 107 acres to protect for State owned parcels like in the quimper wildlife Fordor and currently
10:33:09 have 2 windows open on. Sorry.
10:33:15 Sorry about that and the purposes to maintain the existing uses.
10:33:23 So they're enjoyed by the community for as wildlife habitat, open space, and and for that creation piece The properties are currently list least to Jefferson County.
10:33:35 And so this would allow for permanent ownership.
10:33:39 The project. also request $5,500 for the reimbursement operations and maintenance costs.
10:33:45 Sorry about my throat I'm not sick and So the second project is the Rock Salmon Creek Project, which request 126,000 people dollars towards the fee simple acquisition of a 100
and
10:34:02 55, 23 acres in one parcel to protect about one mile of mainstream of the Salmon Peak, as well as Ford slopes uplands and portions of 6 3 terms they're
10:34:15 requesting an additional $8,625 towards operation.
10:34:20 Maintenance costs and both pro projects offer match above the minimum.
10:34:27 50% required. The total request is $340,000.
10:34:33 We have kind of high total available due to the Camp Discovery Creek project.
10:34:39 Having found funding elsewhere. So those funds were turned back.
10:34:44 So the request does not exceed the available funds.
10:34:48 And then maybe I can turn it over to you dave to talk about the miss.
10:34:53 The committee's process with respect to project yeah
10:35:01 Okay, We we've met before I forget when that was we had our our initial presentation to you on these 2 projects.
10:35:11 But the committee does receive the applications and reviews them, comes up with questions, refers questions back to the applicants, and upon which we get further information,
and then we deliberate and utilize a a
10:35:30 scoring sheet, a scoring tool, and we come up with scores for both properties, or in past years, all the properties that are applying for funds.
10:35:44 And then we also rank them. we deem, whether the proper or whether the proposals, the applications are worthy of funding, and in this case both were considered worthy of funding.
10:35:57 I had the scores for these 2 projects, but they both scored a relatively high on our scoring list.
10:36:06 So we deemed them both worthy of funding
10:36:09 The rock. Salmon proposal is especially oriented towards preserving habitat for the Wanda Fuka summer chum salmon, as well as the Riparian habitat and on either side of
10:36:24 the stream and the it it's in this pretty steeply sloped area.
10:36:30 A part of the project. processes that we also take on site tours which is a required component of the process for your advisory committee members to vote on projects, and those
are especially informative.
10:36:48 They're nothing like getting out on the land with your your feet on the ground.
10:36:53 To really understand what's going on so blaze was part of getting us.
10:36:59 That great tour, the rock salmon property. And if we have time, would you care to give a brief overview of that, or just add anything the tammy might have the included.
10:37:15 If that would be all right yeah, Hi, Blake, Hi: Thanks.
10:37:21 Tammy and Dave Dave. That was a great overview of the Salmon Creek Rock project, and I think another core bit of information that I would add that the Commissioners may want
to know about is just a Reminder
10:37:31 of how important of a watershed this has been for many partners focused on summer chum.
10:37:40 Enhancement there's, been over 300 acres of protection in the salmon and Snow Creek watershed over the last 20 years, including by Jefferson Land trust in the department of
fish and
10:37:52 wildlife as long as collaborate as well as collaboration by the North Olympic sample coalition for restoration efforts.
10:37:59 So this one mile of salmon. creek is a huge opportunity for us to be able to permanently protect this habitat in with just one project.
10:38:08 So We're really excited, for the committee's high ranking of this project, and then, seeing the importance of it, if I remember correctly, Snow Creek is where we got the chum
fried to Reestablish the
10:38:22 Chimicum run when the road washed out.
10:38:25 Is that I remember Yeah. immediately downstream of this property adjacent to it.
10:38:34 So yeah, a great historical tidbit in the watershed as well.
10:38:38 Yeah, interesting. I I I was not aware that until just this morning I was looking to find out more about Chum salmon came across that restoration project for the Chimicum Creek,
which I've just
10:38:52 recently walked well, the entire length of the shore short property from north to south, and then back again along the creek.
10:39:03 So it's pretty amazing, to read about that restoration back in whenever that Major Storm was that washed out the Culberts 89 or it was I was I was a kid.
10:39:18 I remember my parents were someone involved It's commercial salmon fishermen, and they knew Tom Jay, who was making daily trips out to Snow salmon to check on that some fry
that they
10:39:32 were starting for the timid and restoration. Yeah, and day before yesterday, when I was walking, I saw some fingerlings in the area where Nailer Creek.
10:39:44 Has its confluence with chimicum Creek. There's a little culvert underneath the short son road across the valley, and they were in there.
10:39:54 Yeah, that was pretty cool. as far as the Quipper Trust.
10:39:59 This is a the wildlife corridor.
10:40:02 This is something I have not fully appreciated over the years.
10:40:05 So getting out there this past year to do a tour of these parcels, and to walk through the mature forests and see the affiliated woodpecker.
10:40:18 Habitat and etc. It was.
10:40:22 It was really informative and I think that it's such a worthy project to patch that together like as we're we're quoting a quiver quilt out of these wildlife card or parcels
10:40:33 there's 4 parcels total accounting for about 107 acres Again, if it's all right with the chair of blaze.
10:40:42 Do you have anything to add that tammy and I haven't covered
10:40:47 Yeah, thank you, Dave. just for a little bit of background there's about a 137 acres throughout the clinquer wildlife corridor that we've identified as spanning from forward
and
10:41:00 State Park all the way over to a Discovery bay and with Jefferson Land Trust, Jefferson County, in the city of Port Town, and there's about a 137 acres already protected, and
with the addition of this 100
10:41:12 and 7 acres that would make nearly 245, which would be an amazing achievement.
10:41:21 And, as dave was saying, there's great mature forest land throughout these parcels, and it's currently in department of natural Resources ownership, and I think that all of
the Commissioners are familiar with that this is a trustland
10:41:33 transfer process. And so, while Jefferson land trust is serving as the sponsor for this application is actually the county who is the applicant, and we've been in close contact
with Heidi and department of natural resources, about that
10:41:48 full process, and happy to answer any questions about those details and I'll just add, these were a couple of parcels that were, I think, there was one or 2 biennia where the
where Dnr proposed projects to be least projects as
10:42:07 opposed to acquisition projects and they haven't continued, that strategy.
10:42:13 So this feels like the appropriate thing. to do because it's inconsistent with dnr's use of the trustline transfer tool for leases and hasn't proven to be a a a
10:42:27 great path forward, so we're looking forward to getting the fee remainder of these parcels taken care of, and they'll be in permanent ownership and it will add, I think is it
a 120 acres isn't it 80
10:42:41 and 40, the 2 parcels
10:42:47 So we would like to bring to the commissioner's attention on the 2 resolutions you have with respect to the to the rug project in the wildlife corridor.
10:42:59 Project There's an error on the fifth whereas there was a missed cut and paste, and for each it lists they had in farm when it should site the project of which it pertains to
tell me anything
10:43:15 Oh, that that's all i'm aware of I think everything else is any questions from our commissioners. Greg.
10:43:26 I see your hand going up. Yes, thank you. More more comments than questions. Thank you.
10:43:29 We did have a great update about this and march or whenever so great to see it come back, and the equipment wildlife is, it's so easy to support, and I just wanted to really
hail one of the features that I
10:43:42 really appreciate which is the recreational accessibility.
10:43:46 I, too, have seen pilliated woodpeckers on the trails and walked with all sorts of folks, and it's accessible, and I I love that.
10:43:54 And with the ruck property i've also walked the you know the Pnt.
10:43:58 And I just want to, you know. I Guess reinforce that, you know, keeping accessible reasonable recreation in it is something that I think often we don't do enough of in our conservation
project.
10:44:09 So I guess i'd love to I guess maybe see some app action on this, and also the really exciting analysis of the forestry the sustainable forestry that you guys are doing in there
as we endeavor
10:44:22 on our our own county lands, and interface with Dnr.
10:44:26 I would love to walk with you. I guess the the Land Trust is as you go through this process to understand how it works.
10:44:34 And for for you guys, and your decision making process. So no real questions really supportive of both these projects and love being in both of these areas and protecting the
wildlife and the wiperian zones is is really critical so just
10:44:46 I guess. Wanted to put a beacon on. What I see is really strong elements of these these projects.
10:44:52 Thank you. Thanks. Greg, Kate. Do you have any questions or comments?
10:44:58 Okay, Well, we will open a public hearing and an Oscar phones raising his hand to be brought over as a panelist, or to make a comment,
10:45:09 That we welcome everyone to this public hearing that public hearing is now opened if you've joined this meeting by a phone.
10:45:16 And actually I don't see anyone other than that staff so You're here on zoom with us.
10:45:21 If you have a comment, you can use the raise hand button at the bottom of your zoom screen, and we'll bring you over.
10:45:28 This is a hearing. I have to get back to my script.
10:45:34 Sorry. This is the hearing on the conservation features. 2022 application cycle projects for the Rock Salmon Creek Project and the Pember Tress Land Transfer project funding
for the land trust to complete these 2 important
10:45:51 problems. Yeah, is there anyone who would like to make a comment on these projects?
10:45:59 So raise your hand, and I see Owens there with his, and raised
10:46:07 Good morning. owen you're gonna need to unmute yeah, there you are!
10:46:13 Did you have wanted to add to the discussion this morning?
10:46:20 I just had a couple of comments, probably the historical perspective.
10:46:23 I really appreciate both the Conservation Futures program and the support of all of the Commissioners and the committee.
10:46:31 I think it's interesting that rock was approved for funding by the State, and 12 years ago, and then the landowners couldn't family couldn't come to agreement about selling
it and so it's great to see
10:46:45 it come back, and since that time the county has done that wonderful job of replacing the restrictive culprit under West Sunkus Road.
10:46:53 So now a lot more salmon can get up the creek.
10:46:55 And so, having this extra habitat protected, will be all the more important.
10:47:00 Yeah, I think about the the Quimper Wildlife Quarter Trust line transfer is the regional application by the county to trustline transfer was for ownership.
10:47:10 And it was the State legislature to decide need to change and said, No, no, it's going to be at least.
10:47:16 So this is sort of taking it back to where we started so I appreciate your support in that, and that's all I had to say.
10:47:22 Thank you.
10:47:34 Thank you. Is there anybody else on the attendee list this morning?
10:47:38 He would like to make a public comment I see I hand up i'll bring over Jean Ball
10:47:52 Good morning. Can you hear me? Yes, we can. Good morning, everybody.
10:47:57 Jean Valcoln. I just wish to express my gratitude for the county to pursue this and all the various moving parts and participants who bring these conservation projects to fruition,
and I am very proud to live
10:48:18 in a county where we place value on conservation. So thank you for endeavoring to conserve these lions and to protect habitat.
10:48:29 It fills me with great joy. Thank you, Jane. Can you also state your location for us?
10:48:37 Quilting. Is that sufficient thank you Is there anyone else with us this morning? he'd like to make a public comment on these conservation futures project to rack sammon craig
project or snow
10:48:53 Greek sorry, or the Quimper or Wildlife Corridor Trust and Transfer project.
10:49:01 Not seeing any other hands go up, See now their hands. I would thank the folks who did show up and testify, and I will now close the public hearing and colleagues.
10:49:15 We can deliberate. I think you know where I am. On these.
10:49:20 Both of these proposals I support the proposals as presented.
10:49:25 And Kate. Yeah, thanks. Thanks to everyone working on these projects.
10:49:32 And really appreciated Oh, it's in start perspective and just worth quitting out that these projects are often many, many years in the making, because they get to this point.
10:49:43 Couple of things I just want to point out to. that might not be obvious to the public
10:49:49 And just become more obvious to me as a got involved in more and more efforts.
10:49:54 Both of these projects i'm happy to support them because they are part of a larger planning effort, and i'm really interested in us, continuing to be strategic in the conservation
that we find and you know both of these
10:50:09 projects. are they're not one off standalone projects they're part of a larger strategic effort, and we're really seeing that those pay off in the summer chum that Dave mentioned
you know successful recovery in part because we've done
10:50:23 watershed scale conservation. Cooper.
10:50:26 Wildlife is a little bit different, but it is strategic is about, you know, connecting having a corridor across the peninsula.
10:50:35 Contiguous parcels are really important for protection, and so just want to put it a plug.
10:50:42 But this is exactly the kind of project that we need to be focusing on and prioritizing that's happening at the State level. and I think that's really valuable and i'm happy
to support these great So working to need 2 separate
10:50:59 motions for each of these resolutions that's anyone care to make a rest.
10:51:07 A first resolution for the rep proper pretty since i'm just on my phone.
10:51:11 I would be very grateful if someone else could make the motion, so not flipping between 3 different states
10:51:23 Another test to the agenda packet you'll have 2 proposed resolutions in there.
10:51:28 It's not numbers or anything right now, the pages aren't numbered.
10:51:32 Okay. Well, I'm. happy to Move that we are true the resolution and dedication of conservation futures funds to the Ruck Salmon Creek Project as authorized by and in accordance
with Jefferson
10:51:43 county code. Section 3.8, 8, 300. 387.
10:51:48 To provide a system of public open spaces, I will second all in favor.
10:51:55 Alright, I Tammy has a question. I just wondered if you could add in that direction that David mentioned.
10:52:03 Yeah, I'll consider. yeah I mean I Guess I can make an em. I can make an amendment right as long as you. You second Kate.
10:52:11 Thank you for that, Tammy, that we correct the discriminator.
10:52:14 Referring to the the Ruck. salmon Santa Cruz project instead of Hammond and Penn and fun is I'm not accepted?
10:52:22 Yeah, and all those in favor bye bye okay now i'm digging up the other one.
10:52:30 Let's okay. I will i'm happy to move that we approve dedication of conservation futures funds to the Clipper Trust land transfer project as authorized by and in accordance with
the
10:52:42 Jefferson County Code Section 3.0 8 3 0 point 7 to provide the system of public open spaces with the same Scriptures error corrected, as indicated through where in the whereas
I'll second all in favor
10:53:01 I. So both of those pass unanimously. keep up the good work team.
10:53:09 Thank you all very much thanks for your support yeah I think You're sticking around some of you for the next agenda item, which is some amendments to the Hand and Farm. project.
and the big we'll see Moon Valley
10:53:27 project, so as we did before. This is also a hearing on these amendments, and we'll have staff presentation, and then commissioner questions discussion and then public testimony.
10:53:44 And then consideration for final action. So Sta Tammy.
10:53:51 Yes, so me and I, you have 2 resolutions before you.
10:53:57 The first one having tested you with the ham and farm it's sponsored by the Duchesson Land Trust, and was, proved in 2022 the amendment is being requested
10:54:12 because the value of real state has gone up remarkably. and so the total project cost has changed since the original resolution was signed, and so nothing else really is changing.
10:54:23 The percent mass. Even so, at 4%. But just to be completely consistent with the process, we needed to request this hearing and an amendment to change the total project cost
and And then the second resolution has to do with the
10:54:42 Big Closing River, Moon Valley Acquisitions Project, which is also approved originally in 2022, and in this situation, and and got some place. Please correct me.
10:54:52 We'll get to that point but the 15 o'clock this amendment, because at the time there was a understanding that the full match would need to be evidence at the time of invoicing
or the the actual
10:55:12 acquisition, and a portion of that match included.
10:55:17 Operations, maintenance activities, and activities that just could not occur at the time of invoicing.
10:55:23 And so the new budget that is outlined in the resolution just to removes the need to include that match. Yeah.
10:55:32 Next invoice is that is that to your view, Guys: Yeah, absolutely.
10:55:41 Yeah, just kind of elaborate on that basically when I was filling out the grant application back in would have been spring of 2021. Yeah, it just wasn't apparent that, like
Kenny mentioned you know, the the entire
10:55:54 match that we're contributing to the the program was do it at the time of the first invoicing.
10:56:00 So this this amendment just allows us to to reduce the match amount to an amount that you know that we can definitely submit before invoicing.
10:56:11 That's still you know completes all of the the Nash requirements for the for the probe
10:56:24 Go ahead. Oh, sorry. I was just gonna say .
10:56:28 Reiterate that in the deliverable stay, the same in the conservation features award remains the same for both
10:56:37 Kater Greg, do you either of you have any questions for any of our lustrous team here?
10:56:42 Clearly described and reasonable setting. Hi, Korean. Okay.
10:56:50 So I am going to open the public hearing Then is there anybody who's joined us.
10:56:59 Anyway. Welcome everyone to this public hearing regarding amendments to
10:57:05 The big quill scene. I have to get back to my big Quilsy Moon Valley project, and the hand and farm project.
10:57:14 Is any. The public hearing is now open if you've joined us. you haven't joined us by a phone.
10:57:18 You're with us on zoom If you would like to make a comment on these amendments.
10:57:23 Please use the raise hand button at the bottom of the zoom screen, and we'll bring you over or comments on the amendments to these 2 projects.
10:57:32 Is there anybody wishing to comment on these amendments this morning?
10:57:39 Pregnant pass. Anybody anyone anyone anyone remember? Ferris Bueller's staff.
10:57:50 Anyone. Okay, I'm not seeing any hands go up Oh, I see?
10:57:53 Oh, and has his hand up let's bring that one over
10:57:59 Thank you. Coming over
10:58:04 Oh, and you'll need to unmute and Then please state your name and where you live, and sorry it takes a minute for me to get everything said here. nothing significant.
10:58:14 Just once you again appreciate re record appreciation. for yeah, include your support of these amendments to adapt to project as they change over time from the initial application.
10:58:26 And so see no reason not to do it. So, thank you.
10:58:29 Can you state your name, and where you're
10:58:38 Well, it might have the whole 6Â min or something, anyway.
10:58:43 Anybody else online with us this morning? Who would like to comment on these 2 amendments?
10:58:50 To these conservation futures projects. not seeing any hands hands go up.
10:58:58 Would one of my colleagues care to make?
10:59:02 Would any any discussion or deliberation beyond? Nope.
10:59:08 Okay, so I will close this hearing, seeing no other hands up and ask for a motion.
10:59:16 Kate, to see your hand up. Oh, I I will rely on Greg to make a motion.
10:59:21 But i'll i'll just say so you know appreciate all the work that goes into this it's you know, one of the one of the asks we're making at the state level is to not make
10:59:33 getting funding for these projects so difficult. So you know we have to do a hearing to make minor amendments to the contract.
10:59:42 And just appreciate that step. puts a lot of effort into making sure that we're following all the rules and keeping ourselves.
10:59:50 I'm straight in there on here. yeah agreed and i'm happy to move that we am in resolution number 51 dedication and the conservation of futures funds to the big quilcine
11:00:00 River Moon Valley Acquisitions project has authorized by and in accordance with Jefferson County Code session 3 dot o 8.
11:00:10 That's 0, 3 0 parentheses 7 to provide a system of public open spaces as presented today.
11:00:17 Second, all in favor. Hi: Okay. And this other motion, Okay, I I would be happy to move that.
11:00:27 We amend Resolution 53, 21 Dedication of Conservation Future Futures funds to the Hannon Farm Project as authorized by and in the cordage with Jefferson County code section
11:00:37 3.0, 8 0, 3 0, 4, c 7 to provide a system of public open spaces.
11:00:45 I'll second that one all in favor, Hi, hey? those those 2 pass as well.
11:00:55 So thank you. Tammy and the rest of the team, David and Blaise and Gas.
11:01:00 We appreciate you being here with us, to shine a light on these projects and amendments for us, and keep up the good work.
11:01:06 Thanks. hiding Thanks so much, everyone appreciate it. Thank you.
11:01:12 Bye. Okay, So now we're gonna bring Philip over, and we are going to talk about an update to the Ltac Ordinance Code Chapter County code.
11:01:28 Chapter 3 dot 25, good morning, philip this is a hearing as well.
11:01:35 So we'll have a staff presentation questions from the commissioners, and then hear from the public, and then consider final action.
11:01:44 Good morning, fella. you're muted or that helps.
11:01:52 Okay, So double whammy sometimes for me. so ever can everybody see my screen?
11:01:59 Yeah, Okay, great. So let me put it in presentation mode.
11:02:04 I like your tie today. I like that color. Oh, thanks I I wore it just for you today, Can I point out a new picture of the courthouse that's lovely.
11:02:18 With the dogwood and gloom Thanks. I appreciate it.
11:02:26 When I leave the courthouse every day look at the sky and it the sky is interesting.
11:02:28 I'll go take a picture so that Alright so what are we gonna talk about today?
11:02:38 So we're going to talk about some affable principles of Federalism and statutory construction that apply to why we're doing this.
11:02:48 We're gonna talk a little bit about state law limits on the use of lodging tax revenues.
11:02:54 Then we're going to talk about the current limits on the use of logical tax revenues in our code, and then we're going to talk about the proposed changes to our code, which
is on in chapter 3.2 5
11:03:06 we've added some definitions to comply with our Cw. 6, 7 point, 2, 8 point, 1 8 1 6, and we added provisions to comply with the acquisition limits in that Rcw. That's.
11:03:21 The main issue that We're really dealing with and then finally we add we're adding some additions to comply with recording requirements in that Rcw.
11:03:32 That aren't currently in our code and I would just add that this all came up, because, as as chair of the tech committee, and as we were reallying the applications last year,
there was some questions that we couldn't answer when we
11:03:47 tied up the State Rcw. and the county code, and so I asked and Mark to help me wade through a process to make our internal code more consistent with the State.
11:04:01 Rcw so I appreciate all the work on this I know it's been a bit of a lift it's
11:04:08 It's more complicated than you would think and I'll just also say that it it doesn't come up very often.
11:04:16 I think this is the only time, it's come up since i've been here. So I've actually spent a lot of time trying to figure out how this works, and hopefully we will have a good
code I think it's been a while
11:04:28 since it's been remote revised, or looked at but let's talk about the the principles of federalism and statutory construction, not real complicated, but really important for
when you're thinking about
11:04:44 legislation first, conflicting State laws and local ordinances have to yield to Federal law.
11:04:55 Second conflicting local ordinances have to yield to state law.
11:04:57 So if there's, an actual conflict it. has to yield our ordinances have to yield And then the third principle is really important.
11:05:06 With face the potential conflict between 2 laws courts will try to read the 2 laws.
11:05:14 So they are in harmony, and that's kind of what happened here with our old code.
11:05:19 You have to read both State law and our code together to really understand the limits of what we could of what we could do with with the funding source.
11:05:33 Okay, So what are the state law limits this is a really complicated slide? And I just put it up there so you could look at it and see where everything is. It'll be part of the
part of the process.
11:05:48 But if you look, if you focus on the red part on the under subsection, 3, one, c.
11:05:56 That's really what we've what caused us to take a look at this.
11:06:04 So if you're talking about capital expenditures there's a limit to facilities that are owned or operated by a municipality or a public facilities district created under chapters
3.5 7 and 3
11:06:21 point 3, 6 point, 1 0 of the or rise code of Washington.
11:06:26 So that's the main difference if you look just immediately below that where if you're using lodging tax revenues to support operations of a tourist related facility, it's not
doesn't have that limitation so
11:06:44 that's sort of a dichotomy if you're if you're spending money on capital.
11:06:50 It has that ownership requirement that's that doesn't exist for money on operations.
11:06:59 There's. also definition in the in the in the in the in the Rcw.
11:07:04 Of acquisition, and it's a pretty broad definition It includes basically expanding refurbishing, and so forth.
11:07:16 So. And then there's a limit on what you what is a tourist, a tourism related facility in the Rcw.
11:07:26 That really is not in our code. Okay, here's here's, our code and the This is the limit in our code.
11:07:40 It's currently 3 point, 2, 5.0 3 0 and then it I put some definitions be the definition of tourists development strategies and or acquisition and development of tourist related
facilities that's a pretty big
11:07:57 mouthful for one definition: and if you look in that day the word acquisition appears.
11:08:09 If you look in 3 point, 2, 5, 0, 3 0. The word acquires appears.
11:08:14 I have that dichotomy between acquire and operate and same colors as in State law.
11:08:20 What's missing Well, there's not a definition of acquire acquisition in our code, and there's no relationship in our code to the limits and Rcw.
11:08:31 6, 7 point, 2, 8 point, 1 8 1 6 also There's. The reporting requirements in that section of the Rcw.
11:08:40 Or not in our code. Okay, So what are we proposing to change?
11:08:49 So the ordinance you have before you this is just sort of a starter slide that was in the packet is what we're gonna be talking about.
11:09:01 And we change the definitions, partly because the current definitions are pretty complicated.
11:09:11 But also to make sure we're complying with that Rcw.
11:09:19 And the definitions that we added are all from Rcw.
11:09:26 6, 7 point, 3, 8, point 0 8 0. and that's the chapter on lodging taxes.
11:09:33 So we added a definition of acquisition. we added a definition of operation.
11:09:40 We added a definition of tourism, really facility. those are the same definitions in the Rcw.
11:09:49 We could have related them to the Rcw. instead. but here we just kind of repeated them.
11:09:57 Okay. So the most important change probably is, and our seat up, or in a second a new section.
11:10:05 3 point, 2, 5, point 0, 4 0 and These These revisions were made to comply with our Civ, 6 7 point, 2, 8 point, 1, 8, 1, 6, and really it's the dichotomy between operations and
11:10:22 acquisition or ownership that we that we took out.
11:10:26 So we got rid of the word maintenance, which, if you remember, from the definition of acquisition and includes, repair and and we put the limitation on ownership, or operated
by municipality or public
11:10:44 facilities district in our code, so that we don't get caught again, missing that
11:10:53 Okay questions. So far it's probably a good time for questions if you if you haven't had any asked any yet.
11:10:59 I don't have any cause i've been following i've been fly low on this one.
11:11:05 So I This is seems like exactly what I was asking about, and me captured it.
11:11:10 Well, that looks like Greg unmuted where capital purchases for a tourism facility would fall in here.
11:11:22 Maybe i'm just missing it you know adding I will just talk about my own personal history and Ltack adding, like a speaker system to Wheeler Theater, which is certainly a tourism
facility would that be covered
11:11:35 under this adding a what i'm sorry I didn't hear it like a speaker system.
11:11:40 A sound system, capital purchase for a tourism facility which is not acquisition of a tourism facility. Yeah.
11:11:45 So. so it's a capital purchase it it really has to be.
11:11:54 It has to meet this requirement by a municipality or public facilities.
11:11:59 District, and it can be only up to 25% of the L Tech funds.
11:12:06 Gotcha. so it couldn't be a nonprofit Thank you.
11:12:13 Okay, so this section 3.1 i'm sorry sure no, no worries
11:12:23 I feel like our Lcap funds. A lot more than 50% go to operations.
11:12:28 Currently Is that true? Maybe this is a question for Heidi.
11:12:34 It depends on what you call operations like is purchasing advertising operations.
11:12:42 No, I would say no. So so operations of tourist related facilities.
11:12:50 Right. Is that what You're talking about Yes, so staff in the Visitor Center and Quil seeing Brennan Semi staffing the gateway?
11:12:58 Jefferson Historical Museum staffing. All of these things are, you know, staffing would be operations right?
11:13:04 Yes. Okay, Thank you.
11:13:11 But it also depends on what percentage of that staffing is focused on operations versus programming.
11:13:18 Right. There is the you know, the tourism promotion, I guess, is that defined term which is, which is different from operations. and as it exists in the Rcw: Okay, So 3.2 5.0
5, 0
11:13:36 is a new section that we added to comply with the reporting requirements in the Rcw.
11:13:42 So it's. This is pretty much a straight copy from it except for I believe the last sentence we just tailored it to our own committee.
11:13:57 And there's another This is just more of it so I mean we had.
11:14:01 We're supposed to do this so and and maybe we are doing it.
11:14:06 I don't know heidi i'm not involved with the committee.
11:14:09 So we are. We are doing reporting and adios in the process of updating our reporting, form, creating a form for people to fill out the collection.
11:14:19 Appropriate pieces of information. So I like this for her to make sure that she's tracking these pieces of information standard part of the reporting, though all of these criteria
you have been hitting these I
11:14:34 think.
11:14:39 That's it any any questions I mean just a question for Heidi.
11:14:49 How would this these new kind of the proportions that we didn't seems like the big change to me?
11:14:53 How would that have impacted awards past that would be a I haven't done that analysis?
11:15:05 But I did, and and initially, when this kind of discrepancy was discovered, I did notice those proportions and scanned last year's applications, and could discern between operations
and program programmatic expenses.
11:15:22 so I felt like we met this threshold but it'll be something that we want to consider as part of our process going forward
11:15:35 Kate did you have any questions I didn't but Now i'm confused by this programmatic part?
11:15:44 So is that defined when you refer to that money I'm Just curious what what you mean. it's like if an organization is using their L tech funds to buy advertising either like
printing banners to put up
11:15:57 or that's more of a programmatic fee it's like in a nonprofit organization.
11:16:04 The most readily available example to me is the Land Trust.
11:16:07 So the work that the staff do to acquire and protect lands and steward lands is not administration and operation of the organization.
11:16:18 And so there are. If you look at the past round of L Tech proposals.
11:16:24 There were a number of proposals that were about promoting events that's not considered.
11:16:30 Operations of the organization that's considered programmatic programming of the tourism.
11:16:37 Trying to attract more people here. Okay, So that's the tourism promotion part of this differentiated from operations.
11:16:46 Okay, thank you. to make sure it was understanding what you meant by Yep.
11:16:50 Yep: any other questions. No make sense. Okay. So this is a hearing, and we will consider questions from the public about these updates to the Ltac ordinance code language in
our code.
11:17:18 Is there anybody with us today who no one's on the phone?
11:17:23 So anyone with this today on Zoom who would like to ask questions about the updates to the L tech code, See one hand up, provide public testimony.
11:17:34 Thank you. it's like Tom tier is our first guest who would like to make public testimony today
11:17:49 Good morning, Tom. you'll need to unmute you have 3Â min for testimony, and please state your where you live.
11:17:56 Morning again. Yup for the record. Tom Tears Unincorporated.
11:17:59 Jefferson County. I had some questions. Well, first of all, with respect to one of the things that Mr.
11:18:10 Hunsucker mentioned in his presentation I in the definitions section repeating the verbatim the language of the Rcw.
11:18:18 I I'm. always troubled by that because of course I any time the Rcw. changes.
11:18:22 Then you've got a reopen the county code and change the county code to match.
11:18:26 So you know I always prefer doing it by reference.
11:18:31 But you know he he's he's the prosecuting attorney.
11:18:35 So i'll leave that final judgment his good hands but again that's my opinion.
11:18:43 The thing that that concerns me about the the the ordinance, either before or after, is it doesn't seem to adequately restrict the use of funds in terms of thing this: is you
know if you read the
11:18:59 intent of the ordinance. So right, it says, the the intent for the use of this taxes to generate or support the generation of a additional overnight visitor stays and bolster
the tourism.
11:19:09 Economy in Jefferson County. Well, what I mean by the the use of funds not being adequately restricted, is it? doesn't really say that everything has to be done within Jefferson
County?
11:19:23 There's so in fact there's only one mention of that in the entire ordinance that line that I just read out of section 3, point, 2, 5, point 0, 3.
11:19:33 Oh, so Here's an example. I have seen Brochures that that advertise. Visit the entire Olympic peninsula, not just Jefferson County, but visit the Olympics.
11:19:43 Well, if our ltac funds are being spent on that kind of promotion, I don't think that's appropriate because we're advertising for you know by default we're advertising
11:19:53 for clown, you know, and and other, you know Peninsula counties.
11:19:59 So I would like to see some tighter language there in the use of funds to make sure that all of this stuff stays is spent within Jefferson County, and for the youth and benefit
of Jefferson County.
11:20:11 So so that's that's the summary of of my testimony.
11:20:15 So. thank you. Thank you for your comments, Mr. Tears.
11:20:23 Is there anybody else who's joined us? who would like to make public testimony on our updates to the Ltac lodging tax code in the Jefferson County code?
11:20:34 If so, use the raise hand button at the bottom of your zoom screen
11:20:42 I'm not saying any other Hands go up so I will close public and testimony on this item, and I I could take a crack at responding to Mr.
11:20:56 Tish's comments? it's a good one I mean How do you?
11:21:02 How do you just trying to think through I don't have the list of all that the applications from last year?
11:21:11 But how would we get at the the generation of additional overnight stays?
11:21:19 So if someone comes to support towns in and stays here and then goes to Hurricane Ridge, as as their you know, tourist activity on the Peninsula, it'd be a really hard thing
to regulate or
11:21:38 monitor based on where they picked up their printed grocer saying, Visit Hurricane Ridge. but they say no teleport towns, and so it seems like it would be a challenge both that
way in terms of log logic and Jefferson
11:21:56 county and maybe a tourist activity and Cloud County, or conversely lodging in Palm County, and maybe they're attending the Wind Moat Festival, and we all know that, like every
hotel room for the wooden boat
11:22:10 festival in Jefferson County is booked up usually well in advance of the event, and so someone may have to stay in Cloud and County.
11:22:19 But they're actually coming to jefferson county to an attendant an event here so that would be a really hard thing to
11:22:31 Just thinking about my my experience of working at the Maritime Center and trying to to do that.
11:22:35 How would we do that if we were applying for the the funds?
11:22:41 Greg: Yeah, it's an interesting thought provoking question and I've asked myself.
11:22:47 You know, serving on the tourism coordinating Council, and I know that a lot of the you know.
11:22:52 If if a the Worthington mansions trying to promote an event, or the quilting historical museum, Dana quiltsine, they're going to they have to advertise out of the county if
they're trying to
11:23:01 get out of telling people here, so I think fundamentally it's not a not an achievable goal.
11:23:08 I think there's a more nuanced question talking about whether, like Ccc's memory and optic the Olympic Peninsula Tourism committee or council whatever is value added, you know
when we contribute what
11:23:22 $20,000 to optic, and it ends up with, you know, assign on on Metro buses, saying, Enjoy the Olympic peninsula.
11:23:30 I think that does contribute to Jefferson county tourism, even if it doesn't only contribute to Jefferson County tourism, as as you say, Heidi people come to the Peninsula a
lot more than they come to Oh, I'm gonna go to Jefferson.
11:23:42 County. I guess I can go up to the gardener community center. Then I better stop since I'm i'm visiting in Jefferson County, so I don't think the way that the way that people
touristically experience.
11:23:55 The Peninsula is limited by our county border so I do think it would be shortsided to cut funding off at the borders as well as impossible for me trying to advertise for out
of county folks so I
11:24:08 guess it's. it's something I think about a lot because it was frustrating to me for saying in Tcc.
11:24:15 Membership in these Peninsula wide things that often end up, you know, focusing on, you know, a fan tour in Clown County or something.
11:24:24 But ultimately, I think it's it's the Olympic peninsula that we really need to generate heads and beds for and I guess I support it as it is i'm fine with that as is to I think
11:24:42 the the we actually are more impactful by thinking regionally.
11:24:47 And in part i'm interested in that because i'm i'm really interested in seeing our transportation options improve, and that has to be thought of regionally so you know I would
love to see promotion that
11:25:02 really talked about how to use public transportation on the Olympic Peninsula, and that relies on, or any not motorized, and all of those rely on the connectivity between other
resources.
11:25:16 So I know that it's not been used in that way but I think we more and more need to be thinking about connectivity, whether it's trails transit other ways of getting around versus
individual cars so
11:25:28 Yeah. and appreciate the efforts to get this in alignment with State statute.
11:25:33 So a lot of counties have struggled with with with these funds, for various reasons.
11:25:39 It's funny it's actually one of the committee's not served on most at this point, and never on L.
11:25:46 Tech so I am the least knowledgeable here.
11:25:48 But have heard through the association of counties how problematic L.
11:25:54 Tech can be, and I think that is the less the case here which i'm grateful of
11:25:57 But of course, need to be in compliance with State law, and then Sanders score that, and and modeling through this for months. last year.
11:26:06 We were reminded multiple times that State law would supersed or have precedent over our local code on this item.
11:26:17 So. that was the the fundamental reality that moved us into action and got Philip and Mark and I working on this update to the code.
11:26:29 So I appreciate. I really appreciate all the staff efforts on this cause.
11:26:33 I know it was a confusing one to wade through
11:26:39 Would anyone care to make a a motion to update this section around here?
11:26:46 I did close the hearing before we had deliberation. Okay. sorry. I'd be happy to make a motion in a matter of meeting Jefferson County to chapter 3.2 5 regarding lodging tax
better
11:27:02 synchronize the code with State statute and improve clarity.
11:27:07 How second all in favor. Alright, hi! thanks Everyone that felt like a weedy little piece of work.
11:27:21 But I appreciate making the time to get it done.
11:27:26 This item was the last time the item on our agenda this morning.
11:27:35 I think we covered briefing. Is there any additional briefing that anyone wants to do what we have?
11:27:41 Some time. I think we should make Monty brief for the next 30Â min.
11:27:46 Is he really there? Or we could do calendar, Of course, our beloved acting county administrator.
11:27:55 Yeah, if we want to do calendaring, we might as well is the time we have.
11:27:59 Who wants to take a crack of their calendar for next week this week, next week.
11:28:13 Insert, See? Oh, rare nothing in the schedule for tomorrow for me, so it'll probably get instantly filled up with things.
11:28:22 And then we have a special meeting of Jeff Com.
11:28:26 To address an mou presented by staff, which was essentially hazard pay for staff.
11:28:34 Kind of reflecting an ou that column county past for Pincom.
11:28:39 I think we're going to instead talk about opening up the bargaining earlier, because we'd have to open it up at the end of the year, anyway.
11:28:48 So have a meeting meeting meeting that will be mostly executive session on Wednesday, and the parks and wreck meeting was reschedule from Wednesday, and then I am meeting with
our consultants from Jefferson
11:29:02 transit Wednesday afternoon to talk about the executive What?
11:29:08 What's the title I always get wrong, General Manager the general manager? will permanent manager at Jefferson Transit. So, as you kind of alluded to Kate i've been pretty impressed
with the work that
11:29:20 pulls down so far. she's been blocks all I Hope you put your name in for that, too.
11:29:25 On Thursday we have the olympic area agency on aging Council Parents meeting say vice chair. I think we'll be sharing that meeting.
11:29:35 I have 3 meetings at the same time. Thursday afternoon.
11:29:40 With the both. The My monthly presentation to the port line will be Village Council as well as the parks and re rescheduled meeting, and then going to pour one out for Lori,
Fleming who is I think
11:29:52 her last day is Thursday and we'll go to her for a while party. Friday.
11:29:57 We have house American meeting, and that is it's fairly light week, dog days or summer Often that end up with a lot of lot of the meetings.
11:30:06 Kind of take a break for your office. Thanks, Greg. How about you, Kate? Yeah.
11:30:14 So I think out of town, but working some this week.
11:30:20 See tomorrow I have a meeting to discuss a trip that I will be doing to Minnesota in October, where a handful of us have been invited to come talk to minnesota about they're
starting
11:30:38 to do similar transformation with their boards of health.
11:30:41 As Washington State just went through some time. What kind of lessons learned with Commissioner Gelder from Kit up County forward to that with planning meeting for that tomorrow.
11:30:52 Some point tomorrow I would be meeting with our lobbyists here in Dc.
11:30:59 To talk about. yes, the infrastructure package funding, you know.
11:31:04 I I mean, I can't believe that you know not a lot of more pounding pavement to do for the sewer.
11:31:13 We've you know, been largely successful I should have announced also that you know we we kind of heard this previously, but last we also learned that the 3 million dollar earmark
for the sewer was also in
11:31:25 the senate's package especially directed spending so specifically for to help with hookups for housing and affordable housing in particular.
11:31:36 So. Anyway, it's always always great to meet with the lobbyist here.
11:31:40 Find out progress on the Arba funding, that is, to the revenue sharing counties.
11:31:50 We get a little bit of an update on that last week.
11:31:53 But the real writing still is not done. There so anyway.
11:31:56 I'll report back. She always has a lot of insight to share the big question right now is whether we will have a budget at the end of the the Federal fiscal year.
11:32:08 Just September thirtieth there's some talk of you know they'll largely do at continuing resolutions until after the election.
11:32:19 But we'll see I'm hearing mixed things on that siege Wednesday I have a to the first of an equity literacy training that public health received funding for and so a number of
us from
11:32:39 the county, and also other community organizations that touch public health in some way.
11:32:44 Looking at equity and services provided by public health. So, looking forward to that process, that will be, I think, a many month process we go through as a cohort, and the
first one is Excuse me.
11:32:59 Wednesday morning. also have a leadership Council meeting computers on partnership.
11:33:09 Thursday I will be flying home and not available all day, and then Freddie have a meeting with housing solutions network.
11:33:18 To talk about their perspective on short term rentals and the meet with David Timbins.
11:33:24 Give update what's happened to it forwarding that's my week.
11:33:29 Great. never done moment. Yeah, we're not very good at vacationing, apparently
11:33:40 No. and then sundays i've signed up for every Sunday in August, helping spring rain farm move tons of produce in and out of the farm stand.
11:33:47 So yeah, i'm like sundays should be the quiet day. So my week tomorrow, having another conversation about Derek vessel recycling, I I worked at the maritime Center started that
conversation with leaders at dnr
11:34:06 and other State kind of leaders in waste management and it's actually moving ahead.
11:34:13 And there's some derelict vessel recycling kind of pilots happening so tracking those, and excited to see that process moving forward.
11:34:24 There's way more derelict fiberglass and wooden vessels than any county in our State can deal with, and the marine resource committees are starting to take up the mantle and
help support solutions
11:34:36 for those problem vessels. And then fittingly, that evening I have the Marine Resources Committee meeting on Wednesday.
11:34:51 Deb. Burdock and I are gonna get together for a code compliance update, and I am very i'm keenly interested in your solution.
11:34:58 To short-term rentals, because out in district 2 i'm getting calls every almost every day now about people having hip camps next door, and vacation rentals and parties going
on in vacation rental so it's a big hop bed
11:35:15 of discussion out in District 2 So look forward to your update on that, Kate.
11:35:22 And then a number of other code compliance. issues related to recent kind of community disasters that happened a few months ago, and Chimica and with the fire at Glendale Farm.
11:35:37 So just a lot of things in the works right now in district 2 on code compliance.
11:35:44 Then in the afternoon i'll attend the Jta. Jefferson transit authority Finance Committee meeting.
11:35:50 And then that next morning the general manager discussion. and then i'm gonna be on kpdz talking about the All county picnic and emergency management planning we're trying to
convince can confirm
11:36:07 Willie events for that as well. But Bill Anderson is putting together a panel for his program.
11:36:15 The trustland transfer related meeting there's the afternoon Then my agenda check in this week will be with Monty Thursday afternoon.
11:36:29 And Then it looks like there's a od meeting there's a evening Friday morning.
11:36:37 Oh! and then all of our scores for the trust land transfer pilot projects are due thursday afternoon.
11:36:45 So I've completed that work and we'll be sending my results well in advance of that Thursday deadline to Dnr right i'm going to try and work out of the courthouse as much
11:36:59 as possible, and participate in my neighbor's garage sale, because cleaning my kitchen over the month of July has resulted in a pile of stuff that needs to go and I will look
forward to re-gifting that to
11:37:13 the community. and then Saturday is the had that block party.
11:37:22 But I don't. No, it many details about that and I was cancelled. Yeah, I think it was.
11:37:29 But there's some little events happening I think so trying to find out what those are.
11:37:36 Sunday I will be at the ballard farmers market again.
11:37:40 What's in a spring rain farm booth hoping to exceed our record setting sales of this Sunday with next Sunday sales, and that brings us next Monday.
11:37:53 So I think that's my week ahead. and I don't have any conflicts?
11:38:01 Or any honey dos for you guys help. Can you cover this with that?
11:38:04 So anything else we want to discuss this morning while we're together? or do we wanna recess early and come back at 1 30 for afternoon session?
11:38:18 I forgot if Kate, staying with us all afternoon, did.
11:38:25 Okay. Sorry. mute. Yes, Yep. So we have
11:38:31 We have a executive session when we come back after lunch, right?
11:38:34 And then a casual brown and I will certainly be around for those, and wouldn't mind kind of after the kissle Brown.
11:38:47 But yeah. if some important comes up I can okay and i'd be happy that yeah, that's that's good at once.
11:39:01 After lunch. work on that. right right now. Okay. Great thanks.
11:39:08 Real real quick before you guys Judy was wanting a reference or like a an estimated time for that.
11:39:14 Topic, and I was saying around 3 30 I think do we want to just say 3, 30, so I can give her that exact time.
11:39:21 I don't know how long the casual brown does discussion workshop will take.
11:39:26 Do you, either of you have a sense of that What if we did it right when we came back from lunch?
11:39:34 And we it's okay to go into executive session a little bit late. sounds good, so we don't slow down
11:39:42 The budget teams work any more than necessary sounds good Okay, great.
11:39:47 I'll let her know. Thank you thanks everyone will recess till 1 30 see you back here.
13:31:54 It's it's like a special section just for that
13:32:01 And then I ate a few bytes of paganas out of the freezer, just to have the full college kid experience
13:32:11 And it's 90 degrees here, hey? it's 1 30 so I will call us back to order.
13:32:26 Hope everyone had refresh your lunch break we know Kate's been collecting furniture off the streets of Dc.
13:32:35 So we are gonna start up our afternoon session with dealing with the the item that was left over from this morning, which is item one from our consent agenda.
13:32:46 The resolution establishing objectives and procedures for the 2,02223 mid biennium review and modification, and Kate Judy, who's gonna lead us off on this
13:32:58 one I i'm happy to discuss what I sent hopefully
13:33:09 I sent it to staff, and the treasurer, who had requested to be included, and then asked it to be sent to Heidi Greg.
13:33:14 So has everybody seen what I proposed and if if somebody's willing to pull that up?
13:33:21 That would be great actually. So proposed 2 edits. one just that we maybe include the word budget in the resolution title, so that when we go to find it in the future it's a
little more you know when I
13:33:34 search things that works like budget are important. And then, secondly, just that we add the budget priorities online.
13:33:45 Another bullet point about the strategic initiatives that the Board is interested in pursuing
13:33:54 But I only get some feedback from stacy so I haven't heard from anybody else.
13:33:58 If there's concerns from staff about these additions or Yeah.
13:34:04 Certainly open to edit and discussion. So one this is Judy.
13:34:09 One of my questions was, Did this pertain to extraordinary revenue throughout the county? or is it specific to the general fund?
13:34:20 Is that what you're trying to target? I mean General fund is where we tend to have the kind of latitude to to do projects like the ones I included.
13:34:33 And so Oh, good, Thank you. Haiti put it up on the screen.
13:34:38 Huh! So i'm Well, no cause I could see well, are these any of these specific to capital?
13:34:53 So in the under Number 5. I don't know maybe should I try to kill him.
13:35:02 Can you pull up the resolution, and can we look at the agreement here?
13:35:07 And then we can just thank you greg yeah Greg's got it shared.
13:35:12 So ,
13:35:28 Slowly coming up. Where do you wanna go right that's what I was, Thank you for that.
13:35:37 And so in the middle of the paragraph on number 5, where it starts.
13:35:44 Let's see the excess underworld his 2022 23 budget. The excess will be dedicated to recover short calls, and other general revenue.
13:35:56 General pun revenues first, and then at least 3 areas that could be impacted with extraordinary general fund revenues.
13:36:04 So if it's not specific to general fund and we're talking about
13:36:15 I'm thinking pill comes into a different is it either pill or pipe, that comes into a different bond.
13:36:20 Then that would then have to. I would say have to be down under the budget priorities.
13:36:28 If we're also talking about that I think there's a question, too, about extraordinary revenues.
13:36:39 So we listed extraordinary revenues There but I would say, we've we have been a
13:36:43 We've had extraordinary revenues from things like sales tax as well.
13:36:48 The last your year and a half or so and we didn't include. we didn't talk about that here, because I think that's there's a big unknown as to what sales tax will do and we haven't
actually talked about how
13:37:03 we're going to budget for sales tax what assumption is going to go into it.
13:37:07 But I think that also be an extraordinary revenue site in in some ways.
13:37:12 I wanted to pull it out of the not exactly it in the extraordinary general, for revenues, and number 5 or 6, because I I think it could also end up being sales tax potentially.
13:37:25 And we have We have a surplus this year a fun balance hype on balance in the general funded part, because sales tax has been so high, and it could be those funds which then
could end up bring in
13:37:38 the capital and there's just a lot of I think there's a lot of at play that I don't think we have the level of specificity to i'd rather just include it as a general priority
but if there's a
13:37:49 reason not to that's. Okay, also, can I can I ask one question. I mean, maybe, would it be just talking about extraordinary revenues in a couple of different contexts?
13:38:00 Is is confusing I see judy's point Yeah.
13:38:06 Does your addition need the word extraordinary added onto it?
13:38:09 Or can it just be as revenues allow? The vocc will probably will advance priority strategic initiatives?
13:38:16 Yeah, my concern is just that that people would would worry, that that would come at the expense of existing programs.
13:38:23 And that's not what i'm proposing it's a little, you know, we don't acknowledge Sales tech situation in this document for good reason I think it's it's unclear kind of
13:38:34 what direction it's going to go so maybe it needs a different qualifier. it's just it's a lot of extraordinaries and a budget document.
13:38:45 But I do agree that it it belongs under number 8 as a general budget priority, just because it's as revenue exceeds budget.
13:38:55 I mean I I don't know I mean is that too clear a line.
13:38:59 I don't know as as general revenues allow the voc, you know.
13:39:07 If we could, just, or as additional revenues allow, or something along those lines, instead of calling it extraordinary.
13:39:19 See, Stacey has her hand up Stacey.
13:39:22 Well, I mean that had been kind of my first thought on extraordinary and defining it.
13:39:29 And really when I look at extraordinary it's just really anything that's above what we budget so I think it's kind of in there.
13:39:38 Personally,
13:39:44 So i'm sorry states, Do you think the additional the addition that K.
13:39:48 Is proposing is is a redundant no I think that if if it goes in 8 as just a priority as it's above our budget, I mean it sounded like we don't really have anything right now
that we
13:40:05 feel I mean, we're budgeting everything we've got property taxes, aren't stretching as far as they have in the past, and so we are already using sales tax I think to help address.
13:40:20 The increased expenditures. So just seeing what Kate did put together.
13:40:27 It seemed like it. wasn't something that is in I mean this is a mid biennium review, granted where adopting a brand new budget.
13:40:36 But it has already got the bones so it's really feels more like an appropriation, and so for this year's budget.
13:40:43 We know what we've got really that we don't have a lot of those annual things coming in later this year.
13:40:51 The sales tax definitely there. that will be there but that is general fund
13:40:56 It doesn't go to a separate fund so I think I mean well, but then it builds up.
13:41:02 You know you've got piff and all the agreements with that, and you know re and the the capital fund.
13:41:10 So I i'll just as you've already said there's a lot of different pieces and parts. It seems to me that the the item that she wanted to address is probably going to be leveraging
some funds to use grants
13:41:29 and other things along the way. it's not going to just likely be one fund to accomplish those items that you've identified, or or I understand, to be a priority at the board,
and that those support the other items
13:41:44 in 8 in trying to support the workforce and everything, and, you know, stay completely staffed.
13:41:53 But living within our means, so I felt like it was sufficient just to add it.
13:42:00 In 8 as another priority that we look through that lens when we're looking at modifications, and I feel like it should just say as revenue allows I mean it doesn't because when
we get to the point of
13:42:14 discussing whatever the item is then that's when that discussion really happens Right? right?
13:42:21 You can use the word additional revenue allows instead of extraordinary It's not like we have a definition of what extraordinary revenue is like.
13:42:34 It's just out of the ordinary revenue right I guess I thought it was anything above what we budgeted from 5 and 6.
13:42:44 Hmm.
13:42:50 You are like arpa. We have budgeted but it's it is out of the ordinary right.
13:43:02 I I don't have a strong preference I don't have a strong preference to i'm comfortable that the definition of extraordinary being above ordinary that is budgeted is can can
live
13:43:16 both in 5 and 6, and in 8 as as you've crafted.
13:43:20 It, Kate. but if Judy has a strong objection, I we could use the word additional instead of extraordinary. and I guess I just to me it is the most specific word.
13:43:31 So ,
13:43:36 So can we I don't have an objection I mean it's I think putting it down in 8 with itself, maybe more of a general.
13:43:47 You know it's it's nothing in the play right now, So I I think that's reasonable.
13:43:52 So does anyone have any other opposition or conversation about adding the the language as drafted to item, Number 8.
13:44:01 Carl, I share it One more time. it was suggested that we might want to have a public comment.
13:44:07 I think we should but as part of this so once we get done with. once we have a proposal on the table, we'll have a public comment about this item.
13:44:16 If I could add one more comment. but my intent here, in in in.
13:44:23 And I did explain this in an email to some of you but not to the Commissioners that you know I think the why I think it's important to include this is that we are suggesting
to departments in the rest of the statement
13:44:36 that they can anticipate. you know, conservative budgeting.
13:44:42 No more ftes like i what I don't wanna do is tell departments like there's there's nothing extra, you know, and then us be like seemingly taking on random projects that are
priorities, and instead these are
13:44:56 strategic things that we've been working on for years so that we happen to have funding to be able to work on right now, and that might include things like bringing on consultants
or even having staff work on them So that's that's
13:45:09 my intent just to to not surprise departments as we're asking about to be conservative thanks, Kate. if I could, Just for context, I appreciate you letting me be part of the
conversation, and my intent was really
13:45:27 just you know, supporting the board and judy and money given marks out, and he had had us review it first, and i'm the one who works with Judy and Mark to prepare the general
fund revenues and then
13:45:44 you know each department and the the entities that oversee the other funds are the ones who
13:45:53 You know, prepare those, but I felt like, as opposed to the other department heads.
13:46:01 There was another added layer of preparing the budget for me.
13:46:04 So please just know I totally defer to your judgment.
13:46:08 I was just appreciative to be involved. Always appreciate your input Stacy
13:46:18 Hey any more conversation. We have a we have a proposal on the table to add this language to item number 8
13:46:27 We hadn't talked about it was item number one I think I'm a consent agenda. but we hadn't talked about adding a word budget to the resolution maybe before after 2022 23 5 or
I Guess after
13:46:43 the word mid byanium, budget, review, and modification.
13:46:47 I agree that Budget should be a part of that and that just what you said, Greg with
13:46:55 Was it regular right spot for it? So yeah, And then the the which number with the additional budget priority B.
13:47:09 That Kate has provided text for so agreement on 8 under 8.
13:47:18 So under 8 it would be M. as a Mary, which would be the last one.
13:47:24 Are you Okay, with that or Okay, great all right well i'm I'm happy to move that we approve the ordinance ordinance.
13:47:40 Right. Is there anybody who has joined us on the attendee list who would like to comment on this?
13:47:52 Budget mid by any budget budget change.
13:47:56 If so, use the raise hand, then at the bottom of your zoom screen
13:48:03 Anybody out there. Okay, not taking a hands go up. So, Greg, we would love a motion. Now I am happy to move that we approve the resolution in the matter of establishing objectives
and procedures for the 2,022 2,000 and
13:48:20 23 mid by an Em. budget review and modification as amended here this afternoon.
13:48:29 Second I'll second all in favor hi hi!
13:48:38 Okay. great So the next item on our Thank you, Stacy. Thank you, Judy.
13:48:42 The next item on our agenda is an executive session, and, it was just reported that that Josh Peters was having difficulty getting into that executive session.
13:48:52 I haven't seen any other emails other than that but Let's try and go into that executive session.
13:48:58 And I will say we are going into executive session with Chief Civil deputy, prosecuting attorney, deputy, prosecuting attorney, 3 public works, director, county engineer, public
works, sewer, project
13:49:13 manager, department of community development, director and department of community development, planning manager regarding potential litigation.
13:49:22 Exemption is outline in the open Public Meetings Act, Rcw.
13:49:28 42, 3,110 parentheses, one parentheses.
13:49:30 I we're going in at 149, and we are coming out at 2 19. alright.
14:22:55 Hi! are you extending? Yes, sorry I got wrapped up in the conversation
14:23:16 Alright, Okay, i'm coming out of executive session.
14:23:21 And we will be extending. so let me find my language here for you.
14:23:30 I'll be extending the executive session with the Civil chief, Civil deputy, prosecuting the attorney, deputy, prosecuting attorney, 3 public works, director, county engineer,
public works, sewer.
14:23:42 project manager, department of community development, director and department of community development, planning manager, manager regarding potential litigation.
14:23:54 Exemption is outlined in the open Public Meetings Act, Rcw.
14:24:03 And I will be extending to 2 45.
14:47:24 Yeah. Sorry i've been sitting here for a bit so
14:47:32 Okay, waiting for a to come up
14:47:43 Are we live, Caroline? Do you know? Okay, We are going to be extending again the exact sorry executive session with civil deputy, prosecuting attorney, deputy, prosecuting
14:47:58 Attorney, 3 Public Works, director, county engineer, Public Works, through a project manager, department of community development, director and department of community development
planning manager regarding potential litigation.
14:48:11 Exemption is outlined in the open Public Meetings Act, Rcw.
14:48:15 42 30 that 100. and 10 parentheses, one parentheses. I we're going to be extending to 3.
14:48:21 Pm: Okay, Thank you.
15:04:21 We'd be extending Yeah, the last 5Â min was a discussion of whether to extend. So I will be extending the executive session until 3 10 and this executive session is with the
chief civil
15:04:37 deputy, prosecuting attorney, deputy, prosecuting attorney, 3 Public works, director, county engineer, Public Works, through a project manager, department of Community development,
director and department of Community development, planning manager, regarding
15:04:51 potential litigation. Exemption is outlined in the open public meetings.
15:04:54 Act. Rcw. 42, 3,110 parentheses.
15:04:58 One parentheses. I and I will be extending to 3 10.
15:05:02 Alright. Thank you.
15:13:27 Okay, we are coming. You see, Ab running is Cape joining us on this one. Oh, good thanks.
15:13:35 Like a founder. We are coming out of executive session with civil deputy, chief civil deputy, prosecuting, attorney, deputy, prosecuting, and 33 public works, director, County
engineer.
15:13:50 Public Works Sewer project, manager, department of community development, director and department of community development planning manager regarding potential litigation exemption
as outlined in the open public meetings. act rcw 42 dot 30
15:14:08 dot 1 10 parentheses, one parentheses.
15:14:09 I had a great conversation, and we will not be extending
15:14:19 So we are moving right up. Oh, long to Our workshop!
15:14:27 Regarding the proposed casual brown lease and additional public comment.
15:14:33 So who's gonna lead this Workshop is it you Greg, or is it Philip?
15:14:39 Well, since Phillips not here yet. I can start us off but he's got the he did all the work, so I'm just i'll just there.
15:14:46 It comes. Why, we're here unless hi bill you're still muted.
15:14:55 But, Charlotte, can I introduce you? There We go.
15:15:02 Okay, so I we I think we both we ought all talked about the only caps need.
15:15:10 If they're to apply for some of the housing funds out there.
15:15:16 They needed access site, control the causal brown facility.
15:15:20 For a long period of time we talked about purchases, releases before
15:15:25 Phillips done a lot of work modifying some of haven least, I think, might have been the origin document.
15:15:29 I'm not sure into a document that he and I was you know there in the wings he worked through with holy cap and their consultants last week, and I guess we're to look at it today
and i'll let Philip take take us
15:15:45 through, but I appreciate the timeliness and and the work that that Philip put into it.
15:15:53 So there are 3 things that I thought we should talk about today.
15:15:58 And they're all related to the least they come down to the leaves.
15:16:03 The lease has a lot of detail and I think what's really.
15:16:09 There's one really one big picture policy question for the board that we probably ought to spend our time talking about, and that is lease or lease purchase.
15:16:20 So hopefully, some of this stuff will not all this stuff will be repetitive, based on what Greg said.
15:16:31 But but if so, you'll be you'll forgive me because i'm a relative newcomer to all of this.
15:16:37 So okay, so this is all important for the least purchase document for understanding how the least purchase documents gonna work, and why it's necessary.
15:16:54 They're Oh, yeah, cap is trying to get together funding for for capital, for phase 3 that's the permanent structure. and, as I understand it, that's where just hope that what
you know will be a substitute
15:17:12 for what is now the American legion homeless facility. and, what's important about that is oly cap can apply for a grant from the department of commerce, because it's a nonprofit.
15:17:31 But we can't and so there's and in order for them to be able to apply.
15:17:39 They have to have control of the facility with either release or leach purchase agreement, and so that's so.
15:17:45 Mark asked me will you help me draft this thing and that's you know I've been thankfully aware of what's going on with all the other stuff.
15:17:51 But that's my you know how I currently got involved and so I asked, a simple question for cherish last week.
15:18:02 You know what's your plan for future funding and you know.
15:18:07 Sure, went into some detail which I don't think is important for discussion.
15:18:10 But once they once, they assuming they get a lease, or at least purchase agreement.
15:18:18 Then they're then they're looking at grants to fund all their future operations.
15:18:24 And essentially they're looking to roll summer all of the current grant funding for homelessness.
15:18:32 Into this into this project as a way to pay for the operations of the facility.
15:18:40 Okay, Now, this is really important for figuring out how we're going to do things end of August.
15:18:47 They have to have all of their documents required for grant submission, complete.
15:18:56 The deadline for submission is September twelfth.
15:18:58 At midnight, and that's when they have to have a plan for zoning, so that's a part of their submission.
15:19:05 So that's important so that's why I gave it a star
15:19:13 They expect the grant awards to be on december 20Â s and then, when they go to close on that grant, thanks. expect that to be in late spring of 2023.
15:19:31 And that's when they say the zoning has to be resolved.
15:19:37 So we've been working on how to come at changes for zoning, and so that's the 3 stars on there.
15:19:47 But we have to come up with a plan for for zoning that'll work.
15:19:53 Then we have to resolve it in other words we have to make it happen by late spring, and i'll just say that's ch it's going to be challenging.
15:20:02 But possible Barbara, and I talked about ways to get it done, and we're in in the middle of talking to Mark and DCD.
15:20:12 About that So these are the deadlines we're working on.
15:20:19 I don't see any problem or difficulty with getting the least purchased document signed by the end of August, going through all the processes.
15:20:27 We're very far along in terms of you know what it what it should say.
15:20:32 Obviously you've only seen the draft one draft of it but it's not that different from what we did in, you know, at at Seventh Haven.
15:20:45 There's you know there's a few differences but conceptually it's the same it has you know what you'd expect in a lease document, and we spent Oh, I don't know if you were there
the whole
15:20:57 time, but but I was there for 3 and a half hours going through it, word by word with holy gap!
15:21:03 So And they had their consultant onto, and Corby Jorgensen, I think, is his name
15:21:13 And we went through it. Okay? Well, section by section last week. So I think we're close to something that we could you know, present with final review from olycap, you know.
15:21:29 And so that's kind of where it is and that's the document that I think we posted with the agenda request I didn't intend to go through it in detail, because I really think there's
only one
15:21:40 policy question and that is, you want a You want it to be a lease or lease, purchase agreement.
15:21:49 If they tell what they said was that we don't need
15:21:55 It to be a lease purchase agreement for purposes of the commerce.
15:21:59 Grant. But if it were a leaves purchase agreement, it might open up some other avenues of funding that just a lease would not.
15:22:09 So might create some more flexibility for them to get some other Grant money or other funding.
15:22:18 But I I i'm not sure exactly how that would work and i'm not sure they are either.
15:22:25 Maybe Greg can elaborate alright. see one more time with the preferences. So what's the value of the purchase agreement part to olycap Originally, when they had presented it
to us there was
15:22:40 a chance that we There was a rapid, rapid, rehousing land acquisition.
15:22:48 Grant that they were thinking about going for, and they would have been able, you know, with our agreement, to potentially turn that right around into operations.
15:22:55 But at this point the purchase would come out of the total grant that they would be getting for capital.
15:23:02 So there's no actual advantage to purchase so I think that the with the $10 per year they are very happy with the long term lease, and if we took the purchase option out of
it it it would not negatively
15:23:15 impact the receptivity towards Mark was saying something about.
15:23:21 There might be a possibility that they could pay us forward.
15:23:25 And then, somehow, we plow the money back in for operations.
15:23:34 It would it would have come out of the other money I forget exactly how, but it it didn't it wasn't as an advantage right now for them to purchase so probably you know there's
a good that's a
15:23:49 good place to have a discussion about that among the commissioners, and and then there's one more thing to think about.
15:23:58 We can talk about after that
15:24:03 Well, I would just say my when I saw saw this question we're back background noise.
15:24:14 When I saw this question initially. it made me wonder if there was some kind of advantage like of of this looking like a stronger proposal.
15:24:24 If they had a purchase, option no and i've you know I've heard some push back against us selling this land to Olycal, because perhaps the larry scott trail which is an easement
separate from it
15:24:42 in any event would get corrupted or they wouldn't have they would have impacts on on the surrounding neighborhoods.
15:24:50 We're not, of course, including the 4 parcels that that are adjacent to this, that are really important properties.
15:24:56 With this lease and purchase lease or purchase, I mean, I guess, and at $1010 a year I can't imagine they would do a fair market purchase and less funding did change but it
could be that
15:25:07 there is another opportunity rapid land acquisition program that came up, you know, 5 years down the line that allowed us to pay the county fair market value, and perhaps distribute
some of the hey? Did I see?
15:25:23 Your hand up I think if that's not a compelling reason to do at least purchase right now that we don't need to.
15:25:34 But i'm very open to if there is a a good reason to in the future to strongly considering it.
15:25:42 But if this could help I don't know I can see that there's some risk associated with owning this property, if we can help absorb some of that risk that's helpful I know that
means we take it
15:25:52 on. but I think that's an acceptable role for us and
15:25:59 But I would still rather kind of have more information in the future, you know, like do we get anywhere with the annexing conversation?
15:26:12 The cities project just up the hill. you know either considerations I I think, keeping our options open, and I realize the least is a pretty water tight agreement.
15:26:25 I'm not saying about changing use. or anything but the I Just think we would have more information in the future to make that decision if it's not pressing right now.
15:26:32 There's not a big benefit to only cap. I I I would prefer to keep it as a lease.
15:26:38 You know i'm i'm fine with that I don't have a strong opinion on it.
15:26:43 You know. i'm Sure, Philip, was a good you know good at representing the landlord, and kind of putting the counties perspective into the conversation the other day, and I don't
I didn't hear anyone talking and Phil, please tell me if
15:26:55 you heard something different that either the developers, consultants, or only cap, needed that purchase option at all.
15:27:03 So I I would be fine with just at least no that no, I didn't hear anything about that, either, and we did Have you prompted that discussion a little bit during the meeting.
15:27:15 And I I think the answer was, no we don't need a a purchase element for this.
15:27:20 For this Grant money you change it to 42 years.
15:27:23 Sorry I didn't I didn't like I did it has to Yeah, 42 it has to be.
15:27:31 The this is the thing that wasn't sad yet but probably is important for the people that are listening, that are members of the public.
15:27:38 It has to be a 40 year lease to get this to tap this Grant money, so that's a long time they'll have control of the of the property as long as they stay you know as long as
they're using
15:27:49 the property property for the use. That it's intended which is for homeless shelter, or shelter for unhouse persons, I think, is that's the way the the document says so currently
I don't
15:28:05 see any reason why we could just just make it a lease.
15:28:13 Kate, you just still have your hand up from before well I I would just add that I i'm a we all know i'm the land girl, so I like the idea of us retaining ownership for as long
as possible so i'm fine
15:28:28 with adjustly support. So the second thing up there is a develop plan, and that's the plan to get the leasing done, or to get the
15:28:41 Sorry to get the zoning done on time that's a very I will just tell you it's a very tight timeline TCD's been looking at you know possibilities talking about possibilities they
15:28:53 have kind of a game plan the unusual part of this project is we're really the proponent The project proponent DCD.
15:29:04 Is the regulator. So you you know oly cap doesn't doesn't Well, if it's just at least they're not gonna own it, and we want them to do this.
15:29:18 Right. So So we we may need to be thinking about having someone who can help us put together as a consultant.
15:29:24 As the a consultant for the possible litigation, growth, management, litigation for the you know, for the for the type of change we're making.
15:29:40 So i'll i'll probably be making that pitch to mark for something, and will probably be coming back to you to talk about that.
15:29:49 That's what that's there for and you know DCD.
15:29:56 Has to sort of maintain its regulatory hat for this.
15:30:01 So and and we've you know I I guess i'm the first guy to step in and go i'm the proponents lawyer, you know so and I was I was emailing back and forth with
15:30:17 with Josh on Friday and basically DCD: agrees that it's basically our project, and they're the regulator Sc: Kate has our hand up.
15:30:34 Go ahead, Kate. One question I appreciate you, called out these 2 important decision points.
15:30:40 But I would like to be able to learn more, or potentially, and or potentially weigh in on aspects of the lease.
15:30:52 And just curious kind of when i'll just say I hope we have an opportunity for that as well sure and does not have to be today.
15:31:02 But just although it is I I was curious about the the language around the trail mostly.
15:31:08 I was wondering if that had gone through public works.
15:31:12 So. Yeah, So I can talk about that today. and and if there's other stuff you want to talk about.
15:31:19 That's that's, fine so there's there's an oly cap position on the trail, and there is a county position on the trail, and they really they line up for for different reasons
holy cap doesn't want to be
15:31:40 responsible for the trail. Then they don't want to have the liability for the trail and and the county wants control of the trail.
15:31:50 So we need that sort of the the point that is left for development is there's some discussion about Okay, Well, isn't there going to be parking in the future there or something.
15:32:05 So some discussion about, you know, are we Do We need to define the trail to include a place for future parking, and we are going to have to talk to public works about about
that.
15:32:18 But it will be very important to satisfy both sides needs that we define. What is the trail?
15:32:24 If you look at the lease what is now the least purchase agreement.
15:32:30 It it. It leaves definition of the trail to a drawing.
15:32:37 And so we're gonna have to have a a drawing that delineates that, and some discussion with public works about you know about what that looks like that can go over.
15:32:48 Go on in parallel with the for you know the discussions that get us to the place where we can agree on language, and we probably should start talking about about that.
15:32:58 There's a there's a similar issue with respect to county right away, and we need to make sure that we define that
15:33:05 That issue. Well, also, because we don't want to you know andadvertently to giving up control over the county right away.
15:33:14 That's there that makes sense and if you have like big picture questions like that.
15:33:19 I'm I can answer them I just you know I didn't I didn't.
15:33:23 I thought today was more for the big picture like I don't wanna Answer. Wasn't thinking about answering stuff like what's the covenant of quiet enjoyment.
15:33:35 You know great thank you that makes sense yeah yeah That's great I didn't I didn't want the green light on those other issues.
15:33:47 We just talked about to mean green light for the whole document, as is like to be able to understand them better.
15:33:52 Oh, no, I think we're gonna have to go through the document.
15:33:57 You know. maybe not line by line, but have one where we're talk about Okay.
15:34:03 When we get to okay, we we staff agrees that this is it.
15:34:07 Oly Cap agrees that this is it it has a contingency in it for your approval.
15:34:13 So that's and that which has to happen Anyway, you have to you have to approve it before you assign it.
15:34:19 So that means i'm sort of a motion followed by public comment.
15:34:24 And then it decision. That makes sense, it does, although I would hate for those 2 parties to come to agreement.
15:34:33 And then the commissioners say, Oh, wait! But what about you know?
15:34:37 So airing some of those. Now, is is helpful like the trail which is going to be important. I think to to us to make sure we get that right.
15:34:49 It's important to you also. i'm not suggesting that you would overlook it.
15:34:51 But figure it's better to not have surprises yes, what's that trust but verify thing?
15:35:01 Yeah, yeah. So anyway, you should Take a look at the current document. i'm gonna see if you have questions about it.
15:35:14 And i'm happy to go through it you know paragraph by car paragraph.
15:35:17 That's That's what we did with olycap for 3Â h.
15:35:21 On Wednesday But But if we could focus on what you're if for some way to focus on the concerns that you have that you want to spend time on.
15:35:32 Happy to do that in another open session
15:35:40 My favorite last slide. other questions. This is one where I feel like I should have a list of 10 questions, but I don't right now, because things are coming at me from the
behind the scene.
15:35:56 So I think we can all say It's been a long afternoon.
15:36:02 Yeah. decision. The fatigue, Maybe It's question fatigue yes, I agree.
15:36:13 Hmm! and it's almost 7 pm for me what happens at the end of 40 years they have an option to renew.
15:36:25 Well, that's not currently in the in the document there's no option to renew, and in the in the document.
15:36:33 But you could certainly deal with that. At the end of 40 years you would user, you you could
15:36:43 You could have a new lease. you could amend the the term.
15:36:48 But there's nothing specifically in There Now to talk about what happens at the end of 40 years.
15:36:52 It it, except that it comes back to us at the end of 40 years.
15:36:55 There is a month, month, tenancy a holdover tendency provision in there that's pretty standard at most leases.
15:37:04 So they could hold over and and they could keep paying the 10 bucks a month, Grant, while they're holding over It's just come up around these trust land transfer releases a
little bit.
15:37:16 You know, transitioning them to feed ownership and you know the whole question of these 50 40 50 or leases, and how we you know our crystal balling the future or not you know
it's a little so just a
15:37:32 question. Yeah, I think it's really hard here to crystal bar the future. be able to use that that we're envisioning for 40 years, right?
15:37:41 I mean what what might happen in the next 40 years to address these issues?
15:37:48 I mean, it feels like annexation is a real conversation that needs to be had right as the city of port towns, and likely will grow in the next 40 years.
15:38:00 You know So those bigger bigger 10,000 foot up questions yeah just a placeholder on that we're gonna have to do a comp plan amendment that on where we're gonna have to do about
that land use planning if that's what
15:38:19 we're interested in make that happen that's gonna require probably a comp plan amendment and a lot of work. Okay, does that Is that your hand up again?
15:38:32 Well, I do a follow up to that, Phil. Are you talking about?
15:38:36 If we were to talk annexation? or do you need specifically for this project?
15:38:42 Proposal cause this. this needs a rezoning as well.
15:38:46 Right. yes, I was talking about talk about annexation more generally.
15:38:53 Assuming this parcel were part of that, it would, you know, somehow fall within that?
15:38:58 But I think the current thinking is ha at DCD.
15:39:03 Has A has a possible pathway for this project that involves essential public facilities or declaration of essential public facilities.
15:39:12 So what I was talking about earlier in terms of meeting.
15:39:18 Or a tight timeline was related to that.
15:39:23 Okay, that possibility
15:39:31 No, this makes sense, and the least is the right approach; and I would suspect that, given the the timeline and the location of this project, that this could very well be renegotiated
a number of times in the next 40
15:39:49 years. but the the 40 years for this Grant could guess what some certainty is related to the fact that the a lot of people using this funding might be trying to get low income
housing tax credits which require a year that is a 40 year
15:40:06 commitment to those text credits. So something like that could come into play where we would that have to read, renegotiate this as well.
15:40:16 Yes, my understanding that the the commerce grant will be won't involve that aspect, that's what the initially, what the first least purchase agreement was for Seventh Haven.
15:40:31 But it will have, as those projects had, a covenant.
15:40:35 That will That will require that it be used for these purposes for 40 years more generally.
15:40:42 The Grant program is oriented towards people seeking live tech
15:40:49 I think that's where the 40 years comes into the grant requirement not this project of the team.
15:40:51 Hello! Well, you're more informed than I am for sure I just wanted to point out on page 30 of 38, which is the notary page.
15:41:03 There's an r missing at the end of sheriff's crown Miller, and I think it's probably important.
15:41:07 There. But then, being in the notary page, Okay.
15:41:19 Thanks. Got that
15:41:24 Okay other questions for me. Thanks for all of your work on this Philip.
15:41:33 It sounds like it's been a lot thank you it's been mushed into a short period of time, too.
15:41:39 So that's been true like the last 4 items we've talked about i'm not sure how you do it.
15:41:50 Yeah, Well, thank you. I I i'll take that as a compliment. Thank you.
15:41:53 All right. Alright, Well, thanks for having me 3 times today.
15:42:05 And thanks for your good work today. Really Good job.
15:42:09 Thanks. Okay. Well, that was our last listed agenda item for today.
15:42:20 And we took care of briefing and calendaring earlier.
15:42:24 Is there anything else, you guys wanna cover for the good of the order today?
15:42:31 But can't go get some dinner how's the apartment Kate.
15:42:37 It is. it's a cute historic yeah I It's the perfect first first department .