HomeMy WebLinkAboutclosed_caption09:01:33 Well, it looks like it's just almost 9 o'clock so
09:01:40 Wait a few seconds here till i've seen that on my phone
09:01:47 When they're up on the manlift on the clock tower. Does the clock still Hello!
09:01:57 It ought to be sounding any time now. Okay, So welcome to the August eighth edition of the Jefferson County Board of Commissioners meeting.
09:02:12 I'll call this meeting to order and I just like to say if I had gotten it together and drafted a proclamation, I would be proclaiming that it's national farmers market week
let's but I was too, busy working in a farmer's
09:02:26 market 2 Sundays to think about proclamations anywhere, but I am super grateful for all of our farmers, and I know firsthand how hard they work even on Sundays.
09:02:36 So just wanna make a shout out to our farmers and our fabulous local farmers markets,
09:02:48 Can I share some some good news? good way to start off Monday morning?
09:02:52 You know, I think many of us were pleased that the the Senate passed a large piece of legislation yesterday, but 370 billion dollar largest piece of climate legislation ever
passed in this country and
09:03:04 little known fact. It was actually a a former Jefferson County resident that wrote much of that. When I was in Dc.
09:03:11 Last week I subrevant Cleave, the Chimicum, graduate to Mccumbala, Victoria, and she was the mastermind Behind that bill. she had a team she was working.
09:03:21 With. but just really exciting to see a a local is making that kind of impact on a global scale.
09:03:28 So go. Jefferson County is really proud. that, you know, we had just the smallest hand in.
09:03:35 That sounds like we had a big hand in it. Yeah, I gotta tell Scott mock.
09:03:40 Then the superintendent to come schools. they should be really proud.
09:03:45 Yeah, definitely. And I think that I heard as part of that they're gonna start doing the Maybe now i'm gonna buy my electric car because they're gonna start giving us the rebates
again.
09:04:01 So, anyway. So call meetings, called the Order, and as we do on Monday mornings, we love to hear from the members of our community who showed up with something to share.
09:04:12 So. if anyone has joined us this morning to make public comment, please use the raise hand button at the bottom of your zoom screen.
09:04:22 No one's on the phone so that's the option today.
09:04:26 Anyone out there. I see a number of people on the list, anyway, wishing to make a comment this morning.
09:04:34 So we'll leave public comment open until 9 30 in case anyone feels the urge to make a comment in the next 25Â min.
09:04:47 Anything else for the good of the order that either Gregor Kate, you want to share this morning, or mark?
09:04:57 Nope: Nope: Okay. Well, we can turn to consent.
09:05:02 Agenda. I was shorter than the last 2 weeks. It's still some meaty stuff in here anything that anyone wants to call out on the consent agenda
09:05:15 Good stuff, warned people that there are some you know detours coming on on highway, one over one, you know, south of Lake Leland.
09:05:25 3 different spots. they're gonna be closing the road. So it's a significant detail for South county residents.
09:05:31 But appreciate this work. There was some I don't know agreed to travelers last week about the the chip sealing delays on the way to swim on highway. 101 and this is the process
09:05:44 that they you know no one went through I don't think they had a viable detour, but great to see a detour route. on on the county roads.
09:05:54 Yeah, there was some back and forth with public works about that asking Why, we didn't use the old gardener road as a detour around that chip ceiling, and there wasn't a request
from State to use that as an alternate
09:06:07 route for getting around that road work. so I would just say I like how I, seeing fish, barrier removal projects every time I see them.
09:06:19 I just super grateful. that we invest in this way in the infrastructure that are that nature's infrastructure where we intersect with other species and our needs our need for
roads and their need for getting
09:06:34 back up the stream, so grateful to see both the trout unlimited cold water connection, campaign, and then the specific.
09:06:44 There was a specific Fish Barrier Removal project on Leland Creek.
09:06:49 So grateful for those yeah you know I think the the reality of the bipartisan infrastructure package is that there's going to be a lot of road construction.
09:06:59 The next few years. So I I think it's gonna be a a reality, which is, you know, it's a good time to be making these both environmental improvements and this preservation.
09:07:10 So I think it's gonna be with us for a little while, and it's it's probably a good problem to have versus the alternative.
09:07:18 Anyone interested in making a motion about consent i'd be happy to move to adopting a approve and adopt the consent agenda as presented i'll second all in favor hi bye Okay,
that passes
09:07:37 unanimously. So it is 9 o 7 now. Is anybody out there on the attendee list?
09:07:44 Wish you to make a public comment. You can use the raise hand button at the bottom of your zoom screen.
09:07:53 Yes, I see the names on the list it's not usually quiet people.
09:07:58 So okay, I'll let you be quiet over there Well, the next thing on our agenda is the 9 45, with with Dr.
09:08:10 Barry. Do we want to do some briefing from last week since we have time
09:08:19 I could start a I was out of town, but working little bit each day.
09:08:25 Of course, with you all on Monday. Tuesday I had a planning meeting for the Commissioner Gelder and I from Kitty are going to be going to Minnesota and October to speak
09:08:40 with their Public Health Association about the foundational public health transformation. and the some of the work that we have adopted with changes to Board of Health and Minnesota's
just starting that process and has asked
09:08:54 Washington to kind of be there. leave the way and talk about lessons learned.
09:09:01 So had a a planning meeting for that which is very helpful.
09:09:05 And Wednesday started the Board. excuse me, Public health was funded to do some diversity, equity and inclusion training with number of public health staff as well as other
county staff, and that started on
09:09:22 wednesday local consultants, doing network and nice to to get started on that work which you know all county departments did in summer and fall of 2020, and then we've kind
of haven't haven't picked up
09:09:35 the ball since then, so really glad that public health took the lead on getting that funding and securing a consultant.
09:09:42 Some look forward to to digging in on that work, looking at how institutions through the lens of public health.
09:09:48 Can can be addressing inequities, and and we certainly see if in public health
09:09:55 That in in health outcomes in general, how much we are still.
09:10:01 Providing different level of service and seeing different outcomes based on on race.
09:10:06 So look forward to that work. it's about 11 weeks that will be working together as a group.
09:10:13 Also had a leadership Council meeting for the future zone partnership that day, and not sure if I mentioned this last week, but it's interesting.
09:10:23 The Dr. Bush estuary project was a bit of a through a bit of a rent in the works.
09:10:30 It's just like Jefferson kevin it's often the problem, child.
09:10:34 So that it's not our project obviously but because it's such a big project.
09:10:39 There was some sense that it is, you know Cook could take up so much of the funding available when there are a number of other projects.
09:10:46 That have been also ranked, and you know deemed as worthy capital projects.
09:10:52 So there's a bit of a compromise made where the Dr.
09:10:55 Bush project was funded upon portion of it about 15 million dollars, and then there's 6 other projects on that large capital projects list for salmon recovery.
09:11:07 To design, recovery and restoration that will also be funded.
09:11:09 So you know as as we've said it's kind of extraordinary levels of funding.
09:11:13 Great opportunity to be moving a lot of these ahead and they should all get funded. So we did.
09:11:18 We approved a list, including 15 million dollars for the Becka Bush project, which should be enough.
09:11:24 The the real hang up i'd say is that the The Restoration Environmental community would really like to see department of transportation be at the table more so instead of you
know, using up so much of the limited
09:11:37 funds that we have for restoration we're saying, this is a largely a roads project, so why is the department of Transportation coming to the table with more funding?
09:11:46 So hopefully this 15 million that the partnership will be allocating was enough to kind of keep it moving and get d ot to the table to come up with the remainder of the funding,
which is of course the cost is
09:11:58 increasing probably by the day. but it still seemed seen as a very important project.
09:12:07 Let's see Thursday didn't work a lot I was flying home that day.
09:12:15 Got stuck in the massive thunderstorm that killed 3 people by the White House is tragic.
09:12:22 That's very dramatic storm landed me. although that did give me time to write the reproductive choice resolution which the Board of Health will be considering.
09:12:33 And so you'll get a draft of that with the support of health.
09:12:37 Packets Later this week, greg you'll see it sooner if you haven't already.
09:12:41 And certainly welcome feedback on that Friday back me up this little bit.
09:12:50 Had some meetings it's seen it with David timens get an update on the fort warden pda and some joint scheming that we're doing there for some Federal funding and the
09:13:07 call with Paul Jewel, so I don't know if you saw that the legislative director for association of counties, Melanie methylene.
09:13:15 She was no longer with Los Angeles and Paul. Jul will be taking her position for the time being.
09:13:21 So big shift there. Melanie has been our, you know.
09:13:25 My an American person there so big shift but puzzles great.
09:13:29 He understands rural issues really well. So he will now be main point of contact, legislative issues, and you know you both work with him on natural resources and growth management.
09:13:41 Things as well have to cancel a meeting with housing solutions network.
09:13:45 Unfortunately, it came back from Dc. with a cold and after daily testing I'm still testing negative.
09:13:50 So that would be masking, certainly masking around the office.
09:13:56 Saturday had a P. did sound partnership Leadership Council get together mostly honoring number of departing board members.
09:14:05 Representative Jim Wilcox, long standing number Jay Manning, the former Department of Ecology directors stepping down from the board.
09:14:14 So I had a a farewell for a few departing board members.
09:14:21 That was my week alright, I guess unless there's anyone that wants to make public comment.
09:14:38 I'll just shout out for heidi let's see, I had a fairly quiet week dog days this summer, and all that.
09:14:47 On Tuesday. I really just you know, Fred, it in a fetal ball, waiting for election returns to come in on Wednesday.
09:14:55 We had a special meeting of Jeff calm and we're gonna have another special meeting this week, responding to a request for an mou from the staff.
09:15:06 I think I mentioned it a little bit last week, modeled after clown counties, and looking looking for a way that we can satisfy the desire.
09:15:17 From our our are definitely strpped staff you know and when you have staff making requests, such as if there's more than 36Â h of overtime in a regular pay period.
09:15:28 We want to go to 2 to one you know that they've been doing a lot of overtime.
09:15:32 And they have. so working working on that had a meeting with the consultants for that's helping us do the hiring of the director for Jefferson Transit.
09:15:45 This is very helpful, and you know the executive landscape is still pretty bleak out there.
09:15:51 So We'll we'll see how that goes but helpful to have that conversation on on thursday had the Olympic area agency on aging Council governance meeting and that is going well
Maybe
09:16:06 the only board that i'm on that is fully staffed right now.
09:16:10 So it's it's good I think they might be the only area agency on aging that is actually reaching the new one to 75 case manager ratio that the the State is requiring had a meeting
you
09:16:25 know, helping the north of canal Chamber go through potential merger with the Jefferson County Chamber, and having mou that were negotiating now and and throwing back into forth,
and we'll have
09:16:38 another meeting kind of vote. finally with the northward Canal Chamber.
09:16:42 On on Monday the fifteenth, and so we're just working with some members of both chambers to to refine that mou.
09:16:52 Then I have, you know, one of those 3 meeting at a time things where I made a presentation to the port level of village Council. They also had a great presentation from Chief
Black about the the Merger Proposition with Portland Low and
09:17:04 East is Jefferson. fire? so that'll be on ballot course in November there's a good article about it in Pdm.
09:17:10 I think And then, with the Parks and Re Advisory Board, I was a little late, so I missed the presentation of the pros.
09:17:19 But that is going to come to us soon and We'll have a presentation, but it was lead and then went to pay my respects to to Laurie Fleming as at her free will.
09:17:33 Party. I think the fifth was your final day, but,
09:17:36 Great to be able to honor her. On the way out I did that walk and talk with A.
09:17:42 With a residence on on Friday morning at Matt Walker.
09:17:44 So that was very satisfying, and a good conversation as well.
09:17:48 I had to do a lot more listening on the way up, but I can speak on the way down.
09:17:52 And that was was really my week was that just because you're out of breath.
09:18:02 Yeah, Okay, they kept a fairly steep pace.
09:18:06 So yeah, let's see So tuesday I had a meeting that was hosted by the Northwest Straits Foundation Foundation Commission commission about some additional funding that's come
in for dealing with derelict vessels
09:18:25 which is awesome. so they'll be working with directly with County Mrcs.
09:18:32 To deploy this funding it's not going to be done well, Dnr Dnr.
09:18:39 Will actually remove the vessels, but the Mrcs.
09:18:43 Will actually prioritize additional vessels for remote so it's great to see some an extra capacity, because it's not a cheap proposition to remove a a moldering boat from the
marine
09:18:53 waters, and safely so thankful for that I attended.
09:19:01 And then that evening had the Jefferson M. Rc.
09:19:02 Meeting which is always a great round table of local issues.
09:19:10 They're and They're having their annual conference it's just a one day thing in Pedilla Bay on in middle of September and i'm gonna attend that never been to one of those
09:19:23 so Wednesday morning I had a an update meeting with Deb.
09:19:28 Murdoch, and heard about her top top stocks in the community, and always enjoy my time with her and appreciate the work she does.
09:19:41 Oh, Wednesday I took greg to lunch and we didn't talk about any business talked about our farm projects, and what we're growing in the gardens, and and just to celebrate his
excellent primary results.
09:19:56 So nice work. Greg. No I know It's a lot of work checked in with Willie on Wednesday in advance of our kptz session Interview session on Thursday had the jet Jefferson
09:20:11 Transit Finance Committee meeting Wednesday afternoon, and then I had it out to Marstone for a meeting with the Constituent.
09:20:21 Really nice to go somewhere where someone wanted to meet with me and just talk about issues, and sit on her porch and look at the water.
09:20:29 And it was I was like. It was the first for me.
09:20:34 So super great meeting lots of important issues to discuss, but just in a nice relaxed setting.
09:20:41 So Thursday morning I I met with the consultants who are doing the Transit director.
09:20:49 Search, had a great conversation with them, talked about how great our interim Director and Nicole Gotth is doing so, anyway.
09:20:57 That was a good meeting. The pilot project for the trust land transfer rework where we're do.
09:21:07 The the rankings were due on thursday so I got those in had a what's that ready his right.
09:21:16 It's not cats in my lap I always want to say cats in my lap. But Phil Anderson's other red radio show.
09:21:21 Attention, please. had an interview with dem Stenson and Willie Benson, Nora Petridge talking about emergency response in our county, and then also the all county picnic which
is coming up Unfortunately, it's on an
09:21:35 August Sunday, so I will be again at the farmers market, and Ballard with Bring Rain Farm.
09:21:40 But hope that some of us can go and get the information, and updates from folks at the All county picnic.
09:21:49 Thursday afternoon I had trust land transfer work group meeting, and then I had a check in with Monty about this week's agenda, because Mark was gone last week.
09:22:03 So it's always kind of fun. to see monty step into the county administrator role for 10Â min, and appreciate all of his input and he has lots of it.
09:22:13 So and then also attended the send off for Laurie Fleming.
09:22:19 Sad to see her go didn't get to work with her very much in my short 10 year as a commissioner, and it was great to hear everyone reflecting on or impact to public health in
Jefferson County and glad to hear
09:22:29 she's still gonna stay engaged as a consultant and well, we look forward to seeing where she shows up, and then Friday I kind of took took some time off spend some some time
with my mom, and had friends over for dinner also for the
09:22:47 first time in like, I think, a year on Friday evening. so that was awesome.
09:22:52 Did a little crabbing did all my chores on Saturday went to the Ballard farmers market again, and I'm not as tired as I was last week.
09:23:03 So getting my farmer legs and I I that's that's my last week, Mark.
09:23:13 What about you? did you? Oh, you want greg you have some ad oh, you're muted sorry.
09:23:19 Give me a report on my on my weekend, which is not really business work, but county work.
09:23:25 But I did go to the departure festival. a lot of Leeland, which is a great great group folks lots of great reggae music, and had a good time, and also harvested our our neat
bird so i'm a little tired
09:23:36 today, after a hard day dealing death for food.
09:23:41 So yeah, I I feel I feel the farmer appreciations.
09:23:46 Day. Yeah. good good to stop and recognize National Farmers market week.
09:23:51 I wish I had no, and it was coming up. I would have had a proclamation ready for us today.
09:23:57 I wish I had had my camera ready to to get video of the chicken that that ran.
09:24:02 Chase had me chasing it. probably 50 feet after it had no head, no great. It's a great segue to mark There's a There's a Pbs documentary about a chicken We lived for years with
that
09:24:14 ahead. What? yeah, I highly recommend it. Oh, no.
09:24:19 Stacy is watching this right now. i'm not she's like that that chicken doesn't look bad. i'm like it's got no head years this one looked for years, so I just wanna know which
did
09:24:33 you do the preacher seat? Did you do the cannonball?
09:24:36 How many ways did you jump in that lake, Mark last week?
09:24:41 All of the above can openers preachers tea cannonball my grandkids.
09:24:45 They're in a water and they say bombers grandpa. So lots of long walks, couple of good bike rides lot of grilling and smoking salmon ribs yeah just truly, a very relaxing way
and
09:25:01 i'm, i'm grateful that you allowed me to be gone for a week, and I think Moni this morning for standing in for me, and I asked them, I said, did you like it.
09:25:10 Do you want to be the full time county administrator?
09:25:12 And he said, no thanks. so yeah so i'm i'm rested and refreshed. and i've I've got a list here of about a dozen things to tackle starting tomorrow.
09:25:26 So yeah, I I love working here and as a board you're a pleasure to work with.
09:25:31 Well, we're glad to have you back mark it was a little bit quieter around here without you.
09:25:36 Yeah, Well, i'll fix that Okay, okay, it's 9 25.
09:25:44 Now is anybody. Now that you've heard everything that we did last week, all of us is doesn't anyone on the attendee list.
09:25:51 Have any comments really quiet this morning everyone's got the summer What's it?
09:25:58 The summer all drums or I don't know Okay, Well, i'll keep public comment open for a few more minutes.
09:26:07 Do we wanna look ahead. I'll go first how about that let's shake things up.
09:26:16 Let's see this evening i'm gonna go to fort warden and do a little walk around with North North Wind and the proton school of the arts and just see what's what they've got cooking
out there so
09:26:30 that'll be fun the next 2 days. and might be out quite a bit, because I'm gonna be in the headlock doing noxious week coordinator interviews.
09:26:43 So We've got 4 candidates We're gonna be interviewing and and then on Wednesday afternoon i'll come back into town.
09:26:52 Well, i'll be in here a lot on wednesday and meet with Chief Black.
09:26:58 Just got my leg. This is you have the high country news and it's all about community response to wildfire threat.
09:27:03 So i've got lots more to talk with him about this week, and then Wednesday evening it's the Olympic discovery trail board meeting Thursday morning.
09:27:19 We are wrapping up the trust land. transfer I keep saying we're wrapping up, but we are we are wrapping up a pilot.
09:27:28 The rankings. so we're gonna they're gonna compile all of our ranked lists and show us which projects rank the highest from the 10 members of the committee and it wasn't probably
won't be a surprise Well.
09:27:43 I'm immediately surprised to you Guys that devil's Lake.
09:27:46 Our project here in East Jefferson County came out pretty high on my list.
09:27:49 Just based on the criteria that they had us reflect on and ranking the project.
09:27:55 So was glad to see that Thursday afternoon.
09:28:01 Mark and I will get ready for next week's meeting and then Friday morning I have the encumbered My first meeting of the incumbent lands working group wax working group on that
encumbered lands to talk about the
09:28:17 funding. that was in the bill last year. They was to come to Clown, and Jefferson is Gomania, and I think we're kayakum counties as well.
09:28:26 There was 10 million dollars and I alright so I don't know what, how they're gonna decide how much who gets how much and what what that planning can be used for But that's I
think the work of this
09:28:36 working group. So and then this week is the County fair, and I will be going to the County Fair whenever I can, and hanging out with Greg and the Democrats, and just walking
around and snuggling pigs and getting
09:28:58 wrapping paper and seeing all the people so looking forward to that, and then it's back to the ballard from it.
09:29:06 Farmers market on Sunday for me. Hopefully, last this week we broke the all time.
09:29:11 Spring Rain Farm sales record yesterday, and so I I said to John John on the way home last night.
09:29:18 We're both very weary i'm like how are we going to break our record again.
09:29:21 So open for that. it's a challenge for next week Okay, I'm gonna do a last call for public comment.
09:29:28 Would anyone you wanna get a word and edgewise here okay i'm in a close public comment, and turn it over to my colleagues for their what's what they've got on their week ahead.
09:29:44 It'll be relatively quick. again. my my trip last week was not planned, and so ended up being coming into contact with this week's plan.
09:29:53 Vacation. but i'm sorry to be missing the fair but long, long scheduled multi-family camping trip in Leavenworth later this week. so i sorry to miss the the county Fair let's
09:30:06 see, we have Aossack meeting today at the lunch hour, and then I have a a time of action planning committee meeting after our public session today.
09:30:15 So do you need to wrap up right at 4, 30 tomorrow.
09:30:21 The Economic Development Council Finance committee meeting and we'll be trying to wrap up a number of things before leaving town.
09:30:28 So i'd be out of the office wednesday through Friday.
09:30:30 This week back. Monday. Yeah great let's see I have the tourism coordinating council tomorrow, and then I am doing my first pickle ball practice for our upcoming pickleball
tournament right you're
09:30:50 you're you got the medical clearance kate for the 30 first.
09:30:55 No, no, but well, well, there's a huge backlog for physical therapy.
09:31:00 So I haven't started yet, so Oh, no well it's good to have an excuse, I guess.
09:31:04 But we could always push the tournament. Okay, you are gonna You are gonna play.
09:31:10 Yes, I just might be a little compromised but or i'll definitely be compromised after I play and then i'm meeting the we're doing a summertime a little surprising to see but
the quilting
09:31:24 Brennan and Power teams. Coalition is meeting up on Tuesday on Wednesday, As I mentioned before, we have a second special meeting of Jeff Com.
09:31:34 At 9 Am. and then we have the Olympic area, clean Air agency, Olympic region, Clean Air Agency at 10
09:31:46 And then Pat and the development meeting for Seventh Haven is is after that.
09:31:51 And then agenda planning for the Board of Health Meeting as the chair.
09:31:55 I think our public health directors on a well deserved vacation this week, so we'll be limping along without her with Dr.
09:32:02 Barry and Glenn and myself that I have the only cat board meeting on Wednesday.
09:32:09 They're still struggling with some hiring issues, thought we had a good finance director on the hook, and they ultimately balked.
09:32:17 So it was really sad to see that you know any good finance experts with nonprofit experience.
09:32:23 We're looking for him. on thursday have behavioral health consortium meeting It's gonna be chaos.
09:32:30 I predict and then on Friday the J. bat meeting, and I do have a who's the fair.
09:32:38 So, taking most of the day to set up the booth and and i'll be at the fair all we get long having fun, and and, you know, make making illicit music, perhaps who knows?
09:32:52 So come come and say, hi.
09:32:57 The only thing that I see on the horizon that I wanted to check in with you guys about is the Board of National Resources meeting next week.
09:33:06 Alright. are you guys planning on attending? I I would like to attend on the seventeenth.
09:33:13 I cannot attend on the sixteenth. Did we get any clarification about
09:33:20 I mean it is a notice public meeting already. so we wouldn't have to worry about kind of clerking it, and we could notice it as if we were going.
09:33:29 If more than one of us was going to be present, we would just have to notice it as one of our meetings trip, though.
09:33:36 Remember we got a field trip meeting. Well, but I I know ad I was working on trying to get a better idea of the exact agenda, because I do have a bunch of business that they
we'll be doing that on a field trip
09:33:48 So maybe we need to check in with Adl.
09:33:53 And just see I I have some availability in my calendar, and I would like to attend part of it.
09:33:56 But probably not if it's you know at the on the west end on a field trip.
09:34:02 Part i'd be more interested in the business part of it just because I only have, you know, a couple of hours here and there.
09:34:08 Yeah, I I think I sent you guys the agenda, as I have it, which was still pretty bare bones.
09:34:14 And then I signed up for that I think we all got the invitation to the Town Hall, and Tacoma on the seventeenth.
09:34:25 But then I don't know you guys don't all have a dinner with Commissioner Franz on the seventeenth to you.
09:34:33 I'm doing coffee with her Friday morning. Is that seventeenth?
09:34:40 Okay, the 19 I have copy with her on the nineteenth as well.
09:34:45 I have dinner on the seventeenth I got but that's I could I could go.
09:34:52 I could probably attend I We all have stuff in the middle of a day on Tuesday, Right?
09:34:57 I mean, we have Jefferson transit, and I have a couple other things.
09:35:01 Ben. i'm interested I think the seventeenth it seems like It's all going out to the experimental forest was kind of how I understood that agenda as a as it was presented
09:35:17 If you want to go on if i'm happy to not go on the seventeenth, and to kind of either go on the more on the morning of the sixteenth, or maybe both mornings potentially.
09:35:31 So I think so. we need to clarify the the public meeting piece, and I see 80 else on the so maybe she can look into that.
09:35:39 Yeah, i'm on the phone with her right now, she's on me looking into it Thank you.
09:35:44 But I I think we can also dance around it. and just make sure one of us is there at a time, I mean i'm happy to work on that, and not go to some of it.
09:35:52 If that if that would be easier I just think it's it seems like it's all over the place.
09:35:57 I think it would be challenging and it's we're gonna be talking about stuff.
09:36:00 So I I feel like it would be not something where we're just going in and in a class like when I went to timber school, and only taking information one way.
09:36:11 So do you? So you do get a sense that our request to dnr Isn't on the agenda.
09:36:19 Is it? No, no, no, I mean I guess I don't know why I say that particularly, except that it's a great Hmm!
09:36:33 I mean, all of this is really stuff that's not in the county. Specifically, I guess that takes the experimental for us. Right? Right? Right? right?
09:36:44 Yeah, yeah, yeah, i'm i'm happy to piece together.
09:36:52 Set different times to be there, if that's easier I I only have a couple of windows and hoping they line up with when the Board of Natural Resources will be red lion, and per
Angeles or something that they'll be
09:37:08 it in in business, mode.
09:37:17 That's a good first step yeah and discuss it today, and we've got a I mean pretty much figure it out.
09:37:22 Yeah. Okay, Anything else on the horizon? That Thanks. a question.
09:37:31 Great brought up the kilmer climate event on the seventeenth I'm. not planning on going.
09:37:40 I was planning on going, and I I I do not think there will be will be a 2 way.
09:37:45 Conversation about county business at all. I think it's a program
09:37:50 So yeah under 10. do you plan to go great you know i'll i'll i'll repeat in the positive.
09:37:55 But let's dance around the rest of the bnr stuff.
09:38:00 So I'm i'm happy if it makes sense if I can't go all day to seventeenth, and I need to do that instead.
09:38:06 That's a higher priority just thought I don't know I wanna do it all.
09:38:12 Yeah, and it's hard when we're actually in different places now.
09:38:16 Yes, yeah. I mean another thing that Carolyn and I started to talk about is the when do we start talking about going back to hybrid meetings?
09:38:27 The city is doing all in person meetings now, and I guess they probably have a calling option.
09:38:34 But so I but I think it's soon that we need to start talking about that.
09:38:43 I mean we use the the dial and their trigger, I thought, and we are still well in the high, so I mean, we know how to do it.
09:38:50 I thought when it was medium is when we went to hydrogen.
09:38:54 I guess. Yeah, but It's just saying Hi you know So that that was the question, for Allison is like, what what's the new normal? let's just Dr.
09:39:04 Barry today. Okay, mark what's your week Look like, mostly working with staff on on budget matters.
09:39:16 It. Policies and other things. meet with 18 tomorrow.
09:39:21 Yeah, Nothing stupendous. just the mechanics of government.
09:39:28 Another thing that's next week is that icg meeting under the tenth, a special meeting. I don't know if there's anything we need to talk about in terms of that I have one thing
that's related but not
09:39:40 directly. Gary Gamp, the Huds field office Director for Washington State is coming out to take a tour that we're putting together of, you know, Causal Brown, Peter's place and
Bay side and Seventh Haven and I
09:39:56 just lots of people are expressing an interest in this tour and If there's any of these facilities that you haven't really had Toura before we can dance.
09:40:07 If you have time, you know, before the board of health meeting starting at 9 30.
09:40:12 If there's any of this pieces that you'd like to join, for i'm sure we can make that work.
09:40:16 I guess maybe I prioritize kate since you're streaming on that on the how's it fun board. but I think we can just do it without having a quorum at any piece and you know i'm
09:40:27 happy to kind of go for different I have a bunch of overlap overlapping conflicts on the eighteenth I do till noon.
09:40:37 So. okay? Well, maybe some of the city stuff, that i've been to before Seventh Haven as well. Brown, we can and I haven't been to the dev house shelter, though, I would like
to see that that as Well, so i'll
09:40:49 i'll talk to Kate a little bit since it's housing, fun board meeting.
09:40:52 We can kind of do scheduling offline that's meeting also the Icg. It sounds like but we've talked to the housing fund board about how to present the work that the board is doing
and it
09:41:11 sounds like the city really wants us to just fold it into our jurisdictional reports, which a little confused how to do that, since it's both jurisdictions.
09:41:19 That we should maybe think about what we want to have Heidi report on
09:41:27 I was. I have a meeting schedule with the community conversations committee of the Housing Fund Board, and some communications aligning with what you said Kate, to stick it
into ours.
09:41:39 I'm glad to brought it up but I was hoping just to have 3Â min for a really focused presentation of housing fund board.
09:41:46 Efforts, if that in in our jurisdictional update.
09:41:51 Yeah, I know It's the city as well, but you know Okay,
09:41:57 That sounds fine, and I'll let you and hide you figure out how you wanna do that, since she would typically be reporting out for us, you know, and I'm happy to have one of you
guys do it cause you're on the
09:42:07 housing boards. I mean if I feel like let's not and just because, you know i'm the chair this year, you guys are on the housing boards, you know i'd be happy it's.
09:42:20 Like 5Â min for the whole report. right so i'll i'll frame it based on housing fun board, and and throw it through, Mark by both of you guys to see if there's anything to add
to it.
09:42:34 You know i'm i'm not in those conversations so I can provide no nuance to that report, and maybe next week we could brainstorm if there are other things we'd like to talk about
in our room. Maybe including the you know that
09:42:48 we're we're starting to look at short term rentals.
09:42:52 And yeah, I think that sounds really good in the stock plans workshop we have today.
09:42:56 Yeah, I do have to just skip out of the Icg for a few minutes to join the school board meeting.
09:43:04 They're taking an important vote on the child care facility.
09:43:08 And so I need to represent since we're involved in that and the fiscal sponsor of the 1.3, 7, 5 million from the Feds.
09:43:15 So i'll need to leave so it might be better if we just put on Greg doing that presentation because Murphy's law might have it.
09:43:22 But i'm in the school that sounds good yeah, anything else that we need to coordinate or come up with a plan for course
09:43:52 I'm gonna be out much of next Friday I have coffee with Commissioner Franz and Swim Friday morning.
09:43:58 I guess there's staying up on the peninsula longer than just to be that be in our meeting.
09:44:02 But I have a big event at my house on Saturday that I meantime do all the work for on Friday.
09:44:13 So Hmm: Okay. Well, it's 9 44 stress, stress, break, cool.
09:44:24 I need to stretch. Oh, God! I moved literally a ton of tomatoes Yesterday
09:44:34 We can go ahead and bring Dr. Barry over. I see her there, and Willie.
09:44:45 Well, he's there too, maybe my hand for kpgz
09:44:57 Good morning colleagues Everyone we're having our stretch, break our 9 44 stretch break.
09:45:07 I have tomato arms.
09:45:15 Okay. My class is 9, 45 my phone clock is 9, 43.
09:45:21 I don't know if kbds or kbds is rolling yet.
09:45:26 But let's kick this off so over to you Dr.
09:45:33 Barry. How? how's everything on the covid front?
09:45:37 So we have a little bit of good news on the Covid front, which is hopeful after so many weeks of bad news.
09:45:45 Nationwide cases are just starting to decrease.
09:45:47 We see an 8% decrease nationwide for COVID-19 cases.
09:45:52 Hospitalizations are flat, Deaths are still rising as we discussed before.
09:45:57 Those are lagging indicators, so we wouldn't expect those to turn around just yet.
09:46:01 They've gone up 11% in the last week So We're see losing just under 500 Americans a day to COVID-19 in Washington State.
09:46:11 We are seeing a cases start to down trend you've seen a slow down trend over the last couple weeks, and that has continued hospitalizations are also flattening at this point
at the State level as our debts so we're a little bit ahead
09:46:25 in Washington, State of the national trends in Jefferson County.
09:46:29 We are finally seeing our case rates. continue to down trend.
09:46:35 So our cases are 5,365. Our case rate this week is 547 per 100,000, with a 17% positivity.
09:46:43 That suggests approximately a 40% case S or team at rate.
09:46:49 So we still are only catching about less than half of the cases that we have.
09:46:53 But we are really seeing those numbers continue markedly down trends.
09:46:59 We're hoping that that will continue going forward We have one person currently in the hospital for Covid.
09:47:05 19. That person was hospitalized last week. it's been quite ill and remains ventilated at this point, and then we have had no new deaths due to Covid.
09:47:14 19. in our community. In Clleam County we have diagnosed 14,866 cases of Covid 19.
09:47:22 That puts the clown county rate at 500,000, 900,000, with a 14% positivity rate.
09:47:27 In Cloudland County. We expect that we have about a 30% case as entertainment rate, due to our lower reporting of home antigen tests in cloud.
09:47:37 We have 2 individuals currently hospitalized for COVID-19 for a total of 424 hospitalizations.
09:47:42 In this response, and 119 deaths. So the Covid 19 front is starting to improve.
09:47:50 That is very hopeful on our end it's unclear yet how much how long that trend will continue.
09:47:57 But we are hopeful that we're seeing numbers turn around in the right direction.
09:48:01 We are also closely monitoring the situation with monkey Pox.
09:48:06 At this point we have diagnosed 166 cases in Washington State.
09:48:11 No cases have been diagnosed yet in Cleveland or Jefferson Counties.
09:48:16 But we have started to see high risk contacts in our region, and so we do anticipate that we're going to start seeing positive cases in our in our region.
09:48:25 Shortly as a quick reminder. we talked a little bit about this on our last call. But Monkey Pox, or what's what's transitioning to be called Mpv.
09:48:35 Is a is that is a painful rash usually starts us bumps red bumps that then scab over it can happen on any part of your body, and it can be spread through any close skin to skin
contact.
09:48:49 It is most commonly being spread by sexual contact at this point, and at this point it is disproportionately affecting men in the gay community.
09:48:59 Men who identify as gay, bisexual, or men who have sex with men.
09:49:01 We are not seeing broad transmission in the community as a whole.
09:49:05 At this point we are looking forward to when we get some of the vaccine for monkey pox in our community.
09:49:14 The genius vaccine unfortunately, it's in very short supply and we've not received any allocations in Jefferson County at this point.
09:49:22 But when we do we will start doing some direct outreach to high-risk populations in our community to vaccinate them for the general public as a whole the risk.
09:49:31 Remains incredibly low. But we are seeing transmission in the United States primarily through close skin skin contact, and particularly sexual contact.
09:49:40 So in order to protect yourself at this point the most important thing to do is limit your little number of new sexual partners, and please be thoughtful when engaging in sexual
activities.
09:49:51 If you have a new rash, make sure you get that checked out first.
09:49:54 If you have new symptoms of an illness, fever, shells kind of flu-like symptoms.
09:50:02 Sometimes those can come before the mpv rash shows up until please don't engage in sexual activity until you've gotten those checked out, too.
09:50:08 If you are in a high risk group, and you are anxiously awaiting a vaccine. but we will let you know as soon as we get vaccine in our community.
09:50:15 But we don't have it yet. we do have it though we do have a way to access it, though, for those who have ben exposed, you can do post-exposure vaccination for those who have
been exposed to
09:50:26 Mpv. So if you know that You've been exposed through contact with a partner.
09:50:30 Please give us a call, Jefferson County Department of Public health, and will help you access the vaccine.
09:50:36 And so with that i'm happy to take any questions from our Commissioners, Greg.
09:50:43 First of all, thank you for including the case. ascertainment rates as part of a routine role.
09:50:50 I appreciate it. and it's yeah it's just one of those I don't know it's really helpful for me.
09:50:56 And the nationwide trend of fatalities going up was a little troubling to me.
09:51:01 I thought it was more like. Is that more than a 25% increase in the in a week or so.
09:51:06 I mean, it seems, I know it's a latin indicator, but it's still disturbing it's up 11% in the last week.
09:51:13 But it has been trending up. Oh, Alison, you froze It be a B, a 5 and B a 4 point.
09:51:31 6 are getting you? we missed quite a bit of the gap there.
09:51:47 You might love It's been hospitalizations and deaths rising at the national level at a slow rate for quite some time, even though we haven't been seeing case rates rise at the
same level.
09:51:52 What we think is going on. there is that Covid 19, with these highly contagious variants, is getting into pockets of society that are not adequately vaccinated, primarily not
adequately vaccinated, or
09:52:02 boosted. And so, when we see particularly elder individuals who are not vaccinated or boosted, or not having gotten their second booster, we are still seeing severe disease
in those cases thankfully, we have not seen that play out
09:52:15 here either in Cloud or Jefferson County, and we do think the primary driver of that is how well vaccinated we are now.
09:52:20 It still can reach folks. there are still some folks in our community who are not adequately vaccinated, and we have seen severe Dcs. there.
09:52:29 We the person who's currently hospitalized was unvaccinated and so it's a good reminder if you haven't gotten around and getting vaccinated.
09:52:36 Yet. there's still time it's still really important to do so, and to go ahead and get your booster, so get 3 doses for most folks 4 doses.
09:52:44 If you're over 65 or immuno suppressed great.
09:52:47 Thank you for the deep dial, Kate: Yeah, Dr. Wayne. We were just talking before you came on about
09:52:55 Whether we should be thinking about going back to in person hybrid meetings.
09:53:01 And you know we had tried to set our decision making to the the the thermometer of risk, and it just doesn't seem to be going back down to the the moderate level.
09:53:13 Can you help us think about if and when to go back to in person?
09:53:19 I think it is reasonable to have in person meetings with safety precautions in place.
09:53:25 So in clown, for example, we've been doing in-person meetings for some time, I would certainly in any kind of in-person meeting strongly recommend high quality masks for everyone
involved and a remote option for
09:53:37 those who are not, you know, not in a safe group to access those meetings. There are, of course, individuals in our community who are immunosuppressed who are gonna want to
access that meeting.
09:53:47 But who aren't gonna feel comfortable going into an indoor space, making sure we have the remote option available, and I would look at making sure we have good ventilation in
that space, and the ability to limit capacity
09:53:59 to some extent, so something like a 50% capacity.
09:54:04 I think we could do that well. that would allow for spacing, masking and good ventilation, and then we could feel confident that we're not causing significant transmission through
our meetings. great.
09:54:17 Thank you. it's been a little bit tricky that sound quality in hybrid with high quality masks.
09:54:23 Yes, this this is tricky. Has Has column found a way to around that problem.
09:54:30 The logistics are tricky. We so far have done.
09:54:35 Okay with hybrid but we do generally have mics at each person's space.
09:54:41 To make it possible to hear them through their mask.
09:54:44 And then we have some in individuals who just can't quite project through mask.
09:54:48 And so they'll take it off while they're speaking, and put it back on for many folks that can 95 will do the job a full and 95 is hard to hear through but a can 95 or
09:54:57 Kf: 94. Usually you can hear, Okay, through if you project.
09:55:01 Okay, Thank you. We have to, did we
09:55:10 Did we pass anything to do? We have to do? We have to do.
09:55:14 We update an ordinance when we said we were gonna tie our meetings to the risk. dial.
09:55:19 I don't. I? I kind of remember that we did update I think we put it in the the temporary or less temporary policy.
09:55:26 Yeah. Yeah. So we would have to update that well any desire to have any discussion about this great Kate.
09:55:38 I'm not sure if we have to do it on on Kptz, but i'm happy happy to open that up again next week, and and take a look at it.
09:55:46 I'd love to be in the same room, as you Guys. Okay, that sounds good, and that for next week, thank you, Dr.
09:55:54 Mary. no worries. I think it is a challenge we always have to adapt to this virus, and I think the newest thing we're having to adapt to is these persistently high levels of
transmission and how do we find a
09:56:05 way to move forward with meaningful business while we continue to see that level of transmission in the community. Yeah, I didn't.
09:56:14 That was the question. I had the same one. so I don't have any other questions, and I think we got a few from Kpdz. We do.
09:56:23 We have. We have several somewhat detailed questions, but I think very good ones.
09:56:28 So one person the first person asked, I have a friend who tested positive for Kovat 19 and attended an outdoor event.
09:56:35 But mass. He told everyone who approached him that he was positive, but his wife tested negative, so she did not mask at this outdoor event.
09:56:41 Is that a safe practice? Could she be a carrier without symptoms?
09:56:45 So I would say. the likelihood of transmitting in an outdoor space is already very low.
09:56:52 So that is one of the few places that it is acceptable to attend.
09:56:54 If you are positive. but if you're attending as a positive person, you should be masking in an outdoor setting.
09:57:00 If you're testing negative I think it is very reasonable to go to outdoor events, even if you've been in close contact with someone who has covid because the probability of
transmission is so well, in
09:57:10 those spaces. and remember, if you took an antigen test that day, you are very unlikely to transmit to others in that in that next 24Â h period.
09:57:20 So that's another good safety mechanism. It sounds like this couple took a lot of great steps to reduce the risk of transmitting to other people, and I I suspect that no one
contracted Covid from their presence at that
09:57:32 gathering. So thank you for taking all those good safety steps.
09:57:38 This next person asked about data of regarding risk of transmission of Covid 19.
09:57:44 As a result of train travel, specifically i'm an interested in longer trips with a small private bedroom or roommate masking in common spaces on the train seems essential.
09:57:54 But is there a risk of transmission even in closed private spaces?
09:57:57 Because of recirculated air. When traveling for 24Â h or more mass must be removed for eating and drinking, and and for sleeping.
09:58:05 Does that present a significant risk of exposure. So trains have historically been a very high risk.
09:58:12 Space for covid 19 transmission. particularly actually when we look at the the early terrible outbreak in New York. A lot of that was spread by the subway, and if you've spent
time in the subway you know that
09:58:24 That's a very closed air space. there's not a lot of good air circulation down there, so it's easy to see how that happened when it comes to trains.
09:58:32 They do carry a risk of transmitting Covid 19.
09:58:34 There have been some studies looking at when you're looking at an airborne virus.
09:58:40 How it spreads throughout the train. Your highest risk is, if you are unmassed, right next to someone who is positive.
09:58:46 But the virus does really circulate throughout the train. However, many trains have done a lot of work on improving their ventilation of putting in place good air circulation,
putting in place hepa filters to circle circulate
09:59:02 that air, and to filter it so that they're not spreading virus around the cabin.
09:59:06 So if that's a concern for you and you're looking at train travel, I would take a look at the the company that you're looking at traveling with, and see if they have made those
kind of upgrades if they
09:59:16 have. If you wear your mask in common spaces and take it off in a private space, make sure you're eating in a private space. That's a time with your mask. off.
09:59:26 I think you can do that well, but you do want to mask in the common areas, particularly just like with planes.
09:59:30 When the train is stopping, is usually when they turn those turn those fans off.
09:59:41 And then some really good questions about Paxlobin.
09:59:43 So this person asked, How strong is the evidence supporting the use of Paxlova in vaccinated individuals? In light of a frequent rebound.
09:59:51 Infections that are seen in this medication. Does it seem like that the dosage or dosing schedule will be changing in the near future?
09:59:56 So a little bit about COVID-19 rebound in people who have been treated with Paxlovan.
10:00:03 So, looking at the initial trials for Paxlovid, that move for its approval, they found that about one to 2% of those who received Paxlovitt experienced what was called a covid
19
10:00:14 rebound, ie. that they saw their viral load go significantly down, or potentially go away, and then come back.
10:00:23 After they finish their Paxlovid course, and they saw a return of symptoms.
10:00:27 Interestingly. that same percentage was also seen in the control group in those who don't, who didn't take packs a little bit at all.
10:00:34 We suggest that it's not actually the medication that's causing that, but rather a characteristic of the virus.
10:00:40 So for some people they actually experience this kind of bimodal viral experience when they get Covid 19.
10:00:47 So we don't actually think at least based on the data that we have right now that the pax little bit is actually causing that rebound.
10:00:54 It's just something that can happen when you have covid but particularly now that so many more people are taking packs a little bit, and we have such wide availability of antigen
tests.
10:01:03 We have a lot more people regularly testing and seeing their viral load go away and then come back.
10:01:07 So I wouldn't worry that the packs little bit is causing it.
10:01:11 We have also specifically looked to see if there's any resistance being developed in that population to the medication, and we're not seeing that either.
10:01:20 So there is as far as the evidence around it there's a 90% reduction in severe disease for those who are at risk of severe disease, ie.
10:01:29 Those who are over 65 of underlying conditions or who are immunosuppressed, particularly when you're looking at under vaccinated people.
10:01:37 So people who are not up to date in their vaccines.
10:01:40 When you look at people who are up to date in their vaccines, we see a 52% reduction in severe disease, but it loses its statistical significance.
10:01:50 So that means that that outcome is so rare that it's hard to get enough data to make it statistically significant.
10:01:57 Take away from that. is that if you are up to date in your vaccines, and you have a high-functioning immune system an immune system that's functioning normally the probability
of So low.
10:02:09 That it's not entirely clear that the pax's love is needed.
10:02:13 It's not hurting you though so it's very reasonable to get it. but if you're up to date in your vaccines, not as critical to get it.
10:02:21 But if you're not or if you're immunosuppressed, it's really really important to take that medication because we know that you can't mount an adequate response to COVID-19 on
your own and
10:02:31 we can see severe disease in under vaccinated folks are folks whose immune systems are not functioning properly, which includes people who have have a recent diagnosis of cancer,
or who are undergoing another good
10:02:44 question on treatment. oh! and as far as dosing schedule, so there are not any active studies that I am aware of looking at.
10:02:53 Extending the pax load of course the there's definitely been talk about it. to see if we could get rid of the Covid 19 rebound.
10:03:01 But the primary reason why that's not happening right now is that when we are seeing people rebound, we don't see severe disease.
10:03:08 So in all of those cases that we're tracking now, of people who have had rebound disease, we're not seeing them get hospitalized and die.
10:03:15 And that's really the primary goal of paxlova is to prevent severe disease.
10:03:19 It's not to eradicate the virus in your nose.
10:03:22 It's to to keep you from getting severely Ill and it is still doing that.
10:03:25 So right now we're not seeing a lot of push to change the dosing schedule there.
10:03:33 The next person asked about a pre-exposure prophylaxis with Monaco antibodies.
10:03:39 The brand name for that is Eve shell that we've talked about on this program before, for immune suppressed individuals.
10:03:44 So Evie Sheld is a monoclonal antibody that can be given to people who have immune suppression or her underlying cancer therapy.
10:03:53 And you actually take it. it's an iv infusion that you take every every 6 months.
10:03:59 It is a really good prophylaxis option for those high risk individuals.
10:04:05 There are rare side effects associated with it so it's definitely something you want to talk to your doctor about.
10:04:11 They would have to prescribe it, and they can talk you through your unique risk.
10:04:14 Profile. but for those who are immunosuppressed.
10:04:16 Covid 19 is a very serious disease. and Evie Shelves has shown to be very effective at protecting that population.
10:04:25 We see an 82% reduction in any kovat 19 infection at all.
10:04:29 Actually So it's one of the only things We have less that gets rid of any symptomatic disease.
10:04:33 It does have some risk factors associated with it though so we don't recommend it for the general population, but it is a good option for those who are immunospressed.
10:04:41 And so if you fall in that category definitely, talk to your doctor about it.
10:04:46 Oh, you do have to read those it every 6 months, though.
10:04:49 This next person asks about the ingredients in the nova vaccine, noting that they couldn't find them online, and they asked particularly about if there were things like aluminum
formaldehyde or anything
10:04:59 like that in the vaccines. So where to find this information online?
10:05:05 The Nova backs. All of the vaccine formulations actually can be found from the Cdc website.
10:05:10 So you go to Cdc. Go backslash Coronavirus.
10:05:13 There's a part where you can select the vaccines and then they actually publish the ingredients list for all of those vaccines.
10:05:18 But for no that's in particular because that was the the question here they have the spike protein.
10:05:24 So it's the protein of The Coronavirus, but not the virus itself.
10:05:27 So it can't give you covid 19 it has lipids or fats.
10:05:32 It has what's called an edge event which is designed to simulate your immune system.
10:05:36 It's actually made out of soap bark extract then there's some salts, some sugars and water, and that's the nova backs vaccine it doesn't have any cells it doesn't have
10:05:46 any metals it doesn't have any preservatives like formaldehyde or or any of those other ones.
10:05:53 That kind of get people stressed out about vaccines.
10:05:56 None of those are in there so sugar salt fat water, and this adjutant soap bar extract and a spec protein.
10:06:02 That's all that's in novex just since I know people are probably also paying attention for the other vaccines.
10:06:08 There's also not any metals. or or cells in the other vaccines, pipes there's also not any preservatives in the other vaccines.
10:06:16 The Mrna vaccines. But you can look at the detailed ingredient list online.
10:06:20 If you are interested and i'm sure we could link it from our our Facebook as well, A couple other quick questions.
10:06:27 One other one was about treatment. So how do you decide to use antivirals or monoclonal antibodies to treat Covid so?
10:06:34 The first thing you look at is the risk profile of the person.
10:06:37 Do you qualify for treatment? so you have to be at high risk of severe disease, and that means you're over 65, or you're under 65 and have underlying conditions, or your
10:06:48 immunosuppressed if you're immunosuppressed as we talked about you qualify for treatment July.
10:06:55 We will we'll go forward with getting that population treatment faster than just about anybody else, because it's so critical for them to get it.
10:07:01 If you're not immunosuppressed and you have a high functioning immediately, and you're up to date on your vaccines, you may or may not be able to access treatment based on how
much treatment and how many doctor, visits
10:07:13 we have available here. The primary reason for that is because you are so unlikely to have severe disease.
10:07:19 Now you do still technically meet eua qualification and so it's very reasonable to call.
10:07:24 But if you're finding you're, having trouble, getting through, please know that your vaccine is providing you good protection, but in order to fall in that category, you do
have to be boosted if you're under
10:07:32 65, and have had both both boosters.
10:07:36 So 4 doses. if you're over 65 otherwise we strongly recommend access and treatment for deciding between the treatments.
10:07:43 So Powerxilov is an oral medication which means that it's generally preferred by most folks compared to the monoclonal antibodies, which are generally an iv infusion.
10:07:55 But not everybody qualifies to get pack sloven.
10:07:57 You have to have had symptom onset in the last 5 days to get monoclonal antibodies that is extended to 7 days.
10:08:04 So if you're a little bit outside of the pack sloven window, you could potentially still get monoclonal antibodies.
10:08:10 And for some folks there are medication contraindications for Paxos.
10:08:14 And so in that group we might move to monoclonals.
10:08:17 There's also more data on monoclonal safety in pregnant people.
10:08:20 And so when we're treating pregnant folks we usually move to monoclones, so that's a little bit about how we decide.
10:08:26 And last, but not least, the last questioner asked since we've said that that ba 5 the Omaha crown variant subvariant with circulating right now can avoid antibodies why would
10:08:38 you bother to get a booster. So 2 good reasons.
10:08:41 One is that even though the a 5 is better at avoiding immunity from vaccination and prior infection than anything that's come before still being vaccinated, gives you a 50%
reduction in your chance of getting
10:08:56 covid. so you're still 50% less likely to get Covid if you're up to date in your vaccines, then if you haven't but it's not a 100%. it's.
10:09:03 Not the 95 98% reduction that we saw before and since that's a change. We talk about it, but it still does reduce your risk of getting covid.
10:09:14 But also importantly, getting a booster reduces your risk of severe disease.
10:09:17 So that and that in order to maintain that protection against severe disease, particularly for those over 65, we need all 4 doses.
10:09:25 So 2 boosters for that group. we Well, we thankfully rarely see severe disease in younger populations.
10:09:33 We do still see it. Unfortunately, we just lost someone in in clown county's community who was in his thirties, and didn't have underlying conditions.
10:09:41 And so it's still really important to get that protection against severe disease that comes from getting your booster.
10:09:47 So 3 doses for all of us for if you're over 65, or immunosuppressed with that I'm.
10:09:53 Happy to take any additional questions from our commissioners. Kate I have one more, if you don't mind, Dr.
10:09:59 Barry. I like many people I seem to know right now.
10:10:04 Have a cold and i'm testing every day and but it's It's it's lingering.
10:10:12 So you know, having used up 5 tests in the last 5 days, and masking when I am indoors with folks, it is like, how would you recommend people deal with with colds?
10:10:26 You know I I just I. My concern, of course, is that I could be getting negative results, but it eventually would turn positive.
10:10:31 So trying to be really cautious and staying home to some degree, too.
10:10:36 But what's your recommendation for folks who have calls right now? yeah.
10:10:39 So there's There are of course, lots of other viruses that circulate, but it's hard to know, especially given that you can test negative in the beginning.
10:10:47 What you're working with. so the most important thing to the extent that it's possible in your work is if you are sick, is to stay home and work from home.
10:10:57 If you can, or you know if you're sick enough take a sick day.
10:11:01 Now we we strongly encourage employers to make sure that 6 days are available, but we know that they're not available for everyone.
10:11:07 And so, if you do need to go into work, while you're still symptomatic we recommend testing before you go and wearing a mask because your symptomatic either even if you test
negative you still have something that
10:11:19 you'd rather your coworkers. not get and wearing a mask can reduce transmission of other things as far as how frequently to test.
10:11:28 Generally we recommend, if your symptoms are linking to tests again up to 3 times beyond 3 times, you probably really don't have covid and have something else you don't have
to keep using tests or kind of
10:11:41 swabbing your nose but do stay home while you're symptomatic, if you can, and mask by your symptomatic, if you can't, and if you do all that you're unlikely to spread that
10:11:50 to anyone else, so that'd be the first 3 days of a cold say, or spaced out generally first 3 days should do it.
10:12:00 If you want to keep testing beyond that that's perfectly reasonable. But for most folks you're gonna catch it in the first 3 days of symptoms.
10:12:06 If you test 24Â h apart, don't test back to back same day.
10:12:09 That won't get you the same bang for your Buck.
10:12:13 But if you test day over day and your 3 negatives in you're really unlikely to have covid after that Well, and I will put in a plug, I I ordered more tests from the say yes,
to the test site and
10:12:23 may rip the next day. So yeah, Any other questions for Dr.
10:12:39 Barry this morning, Mark Willie. Any questions? Anyone? Okay. Thanks.
10:12:47 Dr. Barry, Willie, do you have anything you wanna update us on, or just remind us about all county picnic again.
10:12:58 You read my mind. I have 2 quick things and the first is a reminder that the all county picnic is coming up in less than 2 weeks. Now we're very excited for that we've already.
10:13:06 Talked about what the picnic is and what it does we're gonna have a a series of presentations on that Saturday on the twentieth 8 arrow park.
10:13:15 Folks are encouraged to come and pick up port the world famous free corn from the All county picnic and pick up the 3 corn attendant presentation, and then have a picnic in
place i'm in your
10:13:27 neighborhood the following day on Sunday, the 20 first. So you are encouraged to go to the Production Alliance website.
10:13:34 They have all the information, including kind of sign up for a presentation or your free corn.
10:13:39 I'm getting contact with us here at de m if you have any questions that otherwise we're just really excited to to see some folks out there on Saturday, and to hear about how
your picnics go Sunday. the other quick thing We had a little bit of a warm
10:13:54 snap this past weekend we didn't push any sort of cooling facilities for this most recent warm weather.
10:14:04 I'm just as a reminder for folks who are interested in those kind of determinations we use them.
10:14:09 Metric called the National Weather Service. Heat risk and that's publicly available. And so i'd really encourage folks, and if you're interested in that, you can Google in ws
heat, risk, and there is a page that shows you the heat
10:14:22 risk for the entire continent. the us it's a new metric.
10:14:27 They've developed Help us better understand their risk during warm weather events.
10:14:32 I'm so go and check that out we didn't rise to the same level of heat.
10:14:35 Risk, as we did during the the past warm weather event, certainly nowhere near close to the heat dome.
10:14:42 From last year. but we keep an eye on that metric pretty closely, now that it's been developed, we've you know.
10:14:48 Look at that throughout the summer. with our partners in environmental public health and public health. just want to make folks aware of that resource, if they have any questions,
and as always feel free to reach out to us, and if you need more information other
10:15:01 than that. that's the end of my report and I can take questions.
10:15:06 If there are any. it looks like greg has one yeah a a comment that we, my my wife, did set up sign up for for an in prep corn corn delivery, so we're gonna we're gonna reach
out and make sure we
10:15:17 have a neighborhood plan out on the sticks where we live, and I just wanna reiterate.
10:15:23 I think you told me us this during the heat down but if it's really hot outside.
10:15:28 You close your windows right open them up when it's cold at night.
10:15:32 Yeah, yeah, absolutely you at night. Once it cools down. open up all your windows.
10:15:39 Let that cool air in then once it's warmer outside than it is inside.
10:15:44 Close your windows i'm close your blinds so you don't let the warm air in you don't let the sun in, and that in the insulation, your home will keep that cool error in and that
was one of the things
10:15:55 that made the heat dome so dangerous, though was that it wasn't really cooling down that much at night.
10:16:03 So there's a big difference between letting 60 degree air into your home, and not really working to cool it, and letting 75 degree air in your home.
10:16:11 Went still pretty darn warm. So there are some tips and tricks for maintaining a cooler home without air conditioning conditioning. that we put out a couple of times, or I believe
we have it up on our website.
10:16:20 If not, i'll make sure we get that up here you're surely before the next event.
10:16:25 But otherwise thank you for signing up Let me know how your neighborhood picnic goes.
10:16:29 Even you mentioned you're out in the sticks it still is possible.
10:16:32 And it's really important to even in rural communities go and meet your neighbors.
10:16:37 I know your not on top of each other like you might be in a in a more urban area, but still important nevertheless.
10:16:43 So I select on that. Alright, Thank you. Thanks, Willie.
10:16:49 So we have an executive session right at 1030.
10:16:53 Do you want to take a little break and then come back at 1030, and I'll come back and then you guys go on executive session, and i'll do that sign off for us We have to have
a quorum to go
10:17:09 into executive Right? Okay, is that what you were saying? Kate: Yeah.
10:31:30 Okay.
10:31:48 Okay, It looks like my phone now. says today and av capture is up and running so.
10:31:56 I'll call us back into order and we are going to immediately go into executive session with our county administrator, Chief civil deputy, prosecuting attorney, deputy, prosecuting
10:32:07 Attorney Department of Community Development, Director Department of Community development, planning manager and department of Community Development associate planning regarding
potential litigation.
10:32:18 Exemption is outlined in the open Public Meetings Act, Rcw.
10:32:23 42, dot 30 dot, 1 10 parentheses, one parentheses.
10:32:27 I we're going in at 1030 and we'll be coming out at 1115 alright free to hop off.
11:17:53 Will you be extending then? yep let me turn on the potential public comment on here, just in case it. I am coming out of executive session, and i'm going to extend for 20Â min
with the county
11:18:10 administrator, chief civil deputy, prosecuting attorney, Civil deputy, prosecuting Attorney Department of Community development, director, department of community development,
planning manager and department of community development, associate, planner, regarding
11:18:25 potentially litigation exactly is outlined in the open Public meetings. Act.
11:18:31 Rcw. 42 30, that 1 10 parentheses, one parentheses.
11:18:36 I. I am going back in at 1116, and will be coming out at 1136.
11:36:46 Hi Hiye! I got 80 roland we're starting to roll
11:37:03 Are we there? Okay? Yep. I'm extending so I am coming out of executive session and going back in for another 10Â min with So with the county administrator, Chief Civil Deputy
prosecuting
11:37:19 attorney, Civil Civil deputy, prosecuting Attorney Department of Community development, director, department of community development, planning manager and department of community
development associate planner regarding potential litigation exemption is
11:37:32 outlined in the open Public meetings. Act, Rcw.
11:37:40 42, 3,110 parentheses, one parentheses.
11:37:42 I I am looking at the computer clock. I am going back in at 1137, and we'll come back out at 1147.
12:01:26 I put on av capture. i'll change my name Okay, i'm coming out of executive session, and we will not be extending i'm sorry heidi i'm coming out of
12:01:46 executive session we're all coming out of executive session, and we are not extending or taking action.
12:01:53 So. we are going to recess for the noon hour, and we will be back at 1 30.
12:02:03 Alright. I just brought Kate over a little late, but she heard everything.
13:31:41 May bad. Okay, it's fun to have a surprise out yeah Okay, So it's 1 30 on at least all the clocks now.
13:31:51 So i'll call us back to order and we're starting off this afternoon with a workshop on Calendar Boris stewardship in Jefferson County.
13:32:08 And as many, though we've been talking about this issue a lot over the last few months, and are working now to come up with a kind of a plan.
13:32:17 Our own plan for what We'd like to see done with forest in East Jefferson County, primarily on county owned forest lands, and also on Some Dnr.
13:32:28 Managed state forest lands. Primarily the State Forest Board lands or State Force Transfer Trust Lands are called both things, and very circle.
13:32:41 So with this this afternoon is Mallory Weinheimer, who is our.
13:32:46 We call our forester. He's our Forester and she's done some forestry work with Jefferson County actively over the last few years, and so Mallory i'll let you kick it off thanks
Sidney
13:33:01 yeah. So i'm not sure what will be most helpful today.
13:33:05 I thought because there have been a lot. of questions I wanted to bring on the advisors that I recruited 3 years ago when I started working for the county, and so Mike Cronin
is here.
13:33:18 He's been amend he's been the biggest mentor to me in getting into this and I think he
13:33:25 He also worked on some of these projects a lot longer ross Didwin, who's been dnr for it practices, and now is dor for I don't know how long I won't I won't call
13:33:38 out times, and then i'll eat them who is conservation District manager.
13:33:44 And Denise Prayer, who works for an Nrg. as Northwest Natural Resources Group as the Executive director and help develop their carbon program, doing sustainable forestry.
13:33:57 And then kathryn Copis, who's a Researcher and ecologist that has worked for Olympic National Park.
13:34:03 Now in International Park and North Cascades, and is working on this contract with so collectively.
13:34:10 We are all looking at how we can best manage Jefferson County Forest and i'm happy to discuss more on how that goes.
13:34:19 But I really wanted, because we have such a short time. I really wanted to turn over time to my advisors.
13:34:25 To let them speak and invoice what they think is important, and just talk about their perspectives on this program as well.
13:34:35 And I Carolyn, I see, did Denise.
13:34:39 Prayer is in the attendee list as Well, and I see, Kate, you have your hand up. Yeah, I'm just hoping we can thrill down a little more on on the purpose. today.
13:34:49 You know I I have it's not very distinctly of the 2, you know, there's the county own lands which Mary was hired as working with advisors to manage those and then there's the
question of the
13:35:02 dnr so take trust lands and I just.
13:35:07 It would just be helpful for me to understand a little bit better.
13:35:10 So what? what you new advisors plan to present on mallory that is specific to the work you've been doing with the county, or you also tend to speak to kind of our the other
conversation we're having around dnr where they overlap and
13:35:22 i'm just could you use some context? Yes, excellent question. So for context for that.
13:35:30 What my goal is with this contract, especially with all of the questions coming up about Dnr lands.
13:35:34 Is to do an analysis on the 3 different 3 different scenarios, basically on
13:35:40 Jefferson County, continuing to manage just Jefferson County lands.
13:35:44 What that looks like in a 5 year projection and longer range.
13:35:47 Management Objectives to look at financials, harvest management, ecological management, all of that.
13:35:55 Take give you kind of a trajectory there a trajectory on a mixed
13:36:00 Jefferson County lands and acquiring some Dnr Lands, and to look at what it would really look like if we took back a lot of these, or all of these, The Nr Trust Lands, because
that it seems like has been
13:36:10 a big question. And so my goal here is to give you as accounting commissioners and staff as much information to make an influence decision, and what the implications are, and
what potential scenarios are to show you what your options
13:36:28 are basically And my advisors here. have been thinking a lot of this through with me, and and have, you know, been advising me along the way on like what the implications are.
13:36:42 I think that's my main goal and if you give you that information by the end of the year that's my main contract.
13:36:49 Does that help? Answer. It does. Yes, thank you. Hmm. And I see we have Denise with us now.
13:36:58 So. you know one thing I I I have a few specific questions and kind of comments to make over the course of this conversation, and I think one thing that we've probably all had
conversations with Mallory about or with each other
13:37:14 about is the idea of creating a document that summarizes a review of of the State and County own Forest and East Jefferson County.
13:37:26 And so that's the lens with which we want to look at these 3 scenarios scenarios that Mallory was just talking about to be strategic in terms of the lands that we decide that
we may want to take
13:37:39 on and manage ourselves, or may want to make management recommendations to Dnr.
13:37:45 About longer rotations on some of the the county granted lands that they manage for us now.
13:37:52 And we'll also want to identify tracks of forests that can be harvested. and be really clear about what what that means in terms of both county own lands, and state State managed
lands we
13:38:09 have some lands that will be coming over from the State to the county via partnership with the Jefferson Land Trust, and through the trust land transfer lease process that happened.
13:38:23 And I think in 2,009, and so those that I think, is about a 100 2,060 acres, 3 parcels, 2 in the quin for wildlife quarter one in this windows Peninsula.
13:38:36 But we'll want those tracks of land considered in this mix too, even though they're kind of in a a middle ground right now.
13:38:44 Anyway. So how do we wanna do this today? would do? Are there any other questions for Mallory out of the gate here?
13:38:55 Matt, do you wanna say anything to kick us off in terms of Parks role in all of this?
13:39:02 No, not unless people have questions. okay. So some of the lands that the county owns that mallory's managed in the last couple of years were parklands like Trailhead Park and
Jimmark so
13:39:18 that's why all 3 were actually all 3 were and that's great, that and Rcw.
13:39:30 It also states that if you are asking for reconciliation in the county, so
13:39:35 That would be a huge question required to be Rcws: Yeah.
13:39:42 By State law, and that is a model that Kits app has used.
13:39:48 And you know. We've been discussing this in terms of the recreation value, and Jefferson County, and just looking at the the trade off.
13:39:58 So I think Mike and Ross can weigh in on this more as well about.
13:40:05 I don't know if you just wanna chime in and talk about your views on this
13:40:11 I could say that the Dnr lines that have been transferred are, oh, during process of trust land transfer.
13:40:19 Was that quite a challenge for Jefferson County to manage?
13:40:23 Dnr. has the remaining parcels of the day and our seem to me that can that they manage them quite adequately for Jefferson County's benefit.
13:40:32 I think it would be very difficult for the county to do that on their own without the infrastructure that Dnr.
13:40:39 Has, and you know, the the lost revenue from less efficient or more costly management, would affect particularly the junior taxing districts, and also the county in general
kind of consensus analysis.
13:41:00 I'm wondering if others in in your group mallory agree with Mike's assessment that that the county taking on 15,000 acres or so Dnr.
13:41:10 Land would be less efficient for the junior task and districts and management of the land. Is that a consensus across this group?
13:41:17 I would concur with that as well as just I mean it's, for one thing, a huge startup cost staff infrastructure equipment on board that you know.
13:41:29 And then you know, Dnr actually manages fairly efficiently from my, you know, from my experience, and I think just the the cost and general management costs would be up. and
the types of ecologically.
13:41:43 Ecological forestry, of course, are not the revenue generating harvest?
13:41:49 So all those things taken in consideration, it would be pretty tough row to take over all the lands. Al you.
13:42:03 Wanna you have any thoughts? Oh, I know I agree with that with both those guys It's a big big task to take on, and gonna be kind of expensive startup, and lots of implications.
13:42:17 So it needs to be with that real carefully. Yeah, Catherine, It sounds like Denise.
13:42:24 Denise appears to be having some trouble with our audio so she's trying to get back in via the phone.
13:42:30 It sounds like, and also I just wanna say here at the outset that you know this is on the as half an hour. But we can go longer than half an hour, we're not you know at a hard
stop there
13:42:43 i'll i'll just say taking in I mean I I chose these advisors from their different backgrounds from
13:42:51 Their backgrounds in ecology and forestry, and and Jefferson County, and with the community specifically.
13:42:57 And I agree that yeah, the the dnr there we're gonna lose revenue there are other offsets.
13:43:06 So I think it's just a question of looking at what those trade offs are. and if that is a move that you want to make
13:43:16 I mean one of the things we were talking about one of the things that Kitzap has done, and I don't know the the numbers on this.
13:43:22 This is part of the question and the analysis i'm doing is they've brought in since they've transferred
13:43:29 Some of these dnr lands. into parks they've also brought in concessioners that are bringing in money and recreation on top of that
13:43:36 So there's you know, you know more camping and Matt and I have talked a lot about this, and Matt, you probably way in as well.
13:43:44 Thank you for reading here, Matt to see like what what other trade off there would be in from his management perspective.
13:43:57 Because yeah, we've talked a lot and he was so involved in in the forest management of those 3 harvest that I did.
13:44:04 Yeah, I think I think spending a little bit of time on.
13:44:08 I mean it the reconvenience. There are 15,000 acres of State Forest transfer.
13:44:13 Trust for us in Jefferson County. but I think that the question is strategically, which which of those acres, or which timber stands, would make sense to be in more of a either
a longer longer rotation or a conservation status
13:44:30 or maybe in a status, that kind of straddles.
13:44:34 The 2 of maybe it's part recreation and part forestry but it's a mixed mixed management plan for those, and that's kind of by the i've heard Kate say in some of our public discussions
is we need
13:44:46 to be strategic if we're asking for reconciliation of any stands of forests.
13:44:51 They there needs to be Fs strategic reason right that there either has high super high quality plan community or has really high value for recreation, cause you know what we're
doing now.
13:45:06 Is gonna be for forever right I mean if we take the way we're managing for us, or we ask for certain timber stands to be reconciled.
13:45:16 We're laying the ground work for future opportunities in the county, but we don't want to do that wholesale.
13:45:22 We wanna be strategic about it. and that's kind of why one of the reasons why we've talked about updating this for us for the future report that was done 11 years ago to revisit
the the analysis that was
13:45:38 done of the kind of the critical components of the various timber stands, and some were targeted for harvest, and some were targeted for recreation.
13:45:49 At that time, and in some cases they've either been harvested, or they've been transferred, and so we kind of need to take a look back at that report.
13:46:00 And then then project forward and say strategically, which of these timber stands?
13:46:04 Make sense for long term recreation for Jefferson County.
13:46:11 Yeah, and I think that document is is important and it has It's one of the key documents to review and use in this analysis, and I think the the key. there is also understanding
what forest management is needed.
13:46:25 On some of those what what the recommendations are in recreation, and just trying to do some cost analysis as well.
13:46:32 And What are we doing like? What is the the next plan with the Nr.
13:46:38 And how does that also link into what county lands were projecting?
13:46:43 Need management. so it's it's a combined looking at financial looking at harvest management and looking at recreational and ecological.
13:46:53 So it's all of these paces put together. and taking both county and in our lands, and just figuring out what is the best combination, and trying to run those scenarios Kate
scattered her hand up again yeah a couple of
13:47:07 questions on things we've touched on There but i'm not sure how to tie them together.
13:47:12 First i'm curious it does the force for the future report need to be updated as much changed in the last 11 years.
13:47:22 That would need to be considered and included in a more thorough analysis kind of of current stands.
13:47:34 Anyone who's very familiar with that mike I know you're involved in the drafting of that just curious.
13:47:40 If anyone has an opinion. Yes, I think there's a great risk in trying to update that without adequate representation, and I think that probably this time, if it's done that
dnr be involved directly after all
13:47:55 it's it addresses the future of their management I'm.
13:48:01 Not sure how much attention it got from Dnr. in the first place, because it was done without their involvement.
13:48:09 So I I think there's a great risk to continuing with that, or to update that without adequate representation from all, because obviously the environmental community would would
be quite involved.
13:48:24 And to me it would be important that how the voices be heard, particularly that of Dnr.
13:48:32 And I okay, yeah. and quite frankly, the junior task tax tax taxing districts representatives from, you know the various groups.
13:48:44 And this is an and a question that maybe I imagine none of us can answer.
13:48:49 But i'm curious folks thoughts on this you know I I have generally been less interested in reconvenience.
13:48:59 Just less interested than more interested, not less interested than anyone else.
13:49:02 But for the same reasons that you mentioned you know the we just aren't at a scale.
13:49:11 Ca: I worry about the county's capacity to be able to take on management of a lot more for us land in the guys of parks.
13:49:20 And so I think That's less interesting to me but I am interested in being able to explore different management systems and just curious folks sense of kind of Dnr's willingness
to to consider and work with us on coming up
13:49:35 with different management, Styles
13:49:40 Well, I think that's a worthy goal to to approach Dnr.
13:49:45 About less intensive management on sensitive sites rather than necessarily reconnect for part purposes.
13:49:51 Many of these sites can serve multiple functions and providing recreation and and income.
13:50:00 With maybe a change in intensity management, even age management may not be appropriate for many of these parcels, as as preservation might not be some sort of a compromise
There in the past
13:50:12 Dnr has been unable to do that but i'm not really privy to what they're doing.
13:50:21 Now I think it's worth it with the first line to to go that direction.
13:50:26 That's going to be a lot easier to have them as allies and partners in this.
13:50:31 They do manage a lot more lands it's we don't have it, and our wheel has to be managing a lot of the lands.
13:50:40 In county. So, having a better partnership seems like a a very good way to go forward.
13:50:49 But again, analysis get more answers. get more information on what the implications are at this on all sides.
13:50:57 Yeah, I would say it's worth the question for sure but again.
13:51:02 As you all are, probably where the some creating course.
13:51:06 State Supreme Court upheld the trust mandate responsibility.
13:51:10 So there's that. to consider and you know i'm sure. locally, the local folks would be interested in those discussions. but at a state level I don't know how much again how much
capacity there is to do you
13:51:20 know separate prescriptions for different blocks, you know, and if that becomes a precedent setting, and you know that had ripple effect.
13:51:34 Really at the agency. It seems like in terms of that decision.
13:51:37 There are many interpretations of it. right so it's I've heard, Yeah, there's a lot of spin from the environmental community on that, for sure.
13:51:52 And you know basically. But my standards at the ford, traditional responsibility is still in place.
13:51:56 How that occurs might be up for debate. Thanks
13:52:14 I'm sorry to moderating the chat so continue on your discussion.
13:52:18 See Denise has her hand up. Denise is unmuted, so she should be able to talk. Hi!
13:52:25 Can you hear me? We can. Oh, wow, technology. The one thing I just I wanted to contribute before I am overwhelmed by technology again.
13:52:37 Is the that compa My role in this and kind of for the record is to do an analysis of
13:52:47 Our potential carbon programs that might augment
13:52:53 The existing force management plan for revenue and to see if that's an option.
13:52:58 It is a tricky business, having designed a carbon force offset program in my freebs life as energy, and our G's. Executive Director.
13:53:08 Yeah. Mallory thought it would be in our best interest as a county to do a careful analysis.
13:53:16 Before we kind of jumped in and thought this was an option.
13:53:22 Eligibility is a big deal first in in your case.
13:53:24 Small forest landowners. and so it's gonna be an enjoyable project.
13:53:29 See where we might be eligible. But in our mind this is an augmentation of the current current force management plan, and and I look through the presentation that Nrg: did for
you, Seth and Kirk and that
13:53:44 was a really good demonstration about how longer rotations are doing the job of carbon.
13:53:50 What we're not doing right now, is taking quote credit for it monetarily.
13:53:56 And so that's that's a different thing but our forest currently based on
13:54:03 Malories approach to forestry already are doing its bit for the environment we are.
13:54:06 We are on a longer rotation. scheme we are doing a good job, so it's not it's not that you're not doing your bit.
13:54:14 It's that. How do you get kind of credit for it in a in a monetary way, potentially.
13:54:20 But again, this is an augmentation and a project to see what you might be eligible for eligible for, and or maybe it's there's all lots of ways to approach getting quote credit
whether the monetary or just recognition
13:54:34 for the work. you're already doing there's a lot of ways to approach carbon sequestration in forestry.
13:54:40 So. and then we'll be malaria will be making a presentation to you, or providing you some information based on my analysis of current programs and historic programs that might
be in line with what you're what she's doing
13:54:53 already that's my speech. i'm on the record now, Mallory Can I follow up on that real quick?
13:55:02 I I I love the denise the way you're talking about.
13:55:05 I guess you know additionality in A different way and I guess the what i'm interested in, or where where my mind's going right now about working with Dnr is coming up.
13:55:19 I mean they've got this carbon offset project that they don't really seem to know what to do with. and i'm wondering if we can't structure our requests for a different management
scheme in Jefferson
13:55:29 county land. Some are all of them around you know a little bit of capture in their carbon offset program through longer rotation cycles, and just kind of a little bit of a couple
of different things going forward and i'm I guess
13:55:44 Mike. My hope out of out of mallory and everyone Else's analysis is that we we kind of have ammunition to be able to say, this is .
13:55:54 Program which is going to, you know, create resilience in our forest, create economic, and it recreational opportunities.
13:56:00 And still keep the junior taxing districts whole through this harvest, plus this carbon offset, plus filling the blank.
13:56:10 So I guess I just state my p and the sky aspiration for for this work.
13:56:18 I wouldn't call it pioneer in the sky. there are is you can search for carbon offset programs. voluntary carbon offset programs that small forest land owners have participated
in have received remuneration
13:56:33 for so it's. Not an it's not a piped dream it's just a small club and this and getting your program through this keyhole.
13:56:46 It without disrupting your the kind of structure that you already have, and the other demands that your force might have is the tricky bit right? because there is all these
benefits that quote for us, provide and it's hard not
13:57:01 to want to lose those benefits, to participate in a carbon program.
13:57:05 Right. So I hear you there is a there that's the fun part of figuring out where we fit what lands fit.
13:57:13 Not all lands that you guys operate in will fit inside a carbon program, so it might be proportional.
13:57:20 Or it maybe feature there may be you know things you haven't thought so long.
13:57:26 Rotations is one way of sequestering carbon longer rotations. other is replanting.
13:57:30 There's a there's a lot of different ways that carbon can potentially play a role to benefit your healthy for us going forward.
13:57:39 Does that help? totally? Yeah. So in terms of how we structure, you know, a project to together and the work that you're gonna do, Mallory.
13:57:54 I mean it seems like it would, are you? Are you envisioning?
13:58:00 That your group of advisors will be the the technical advisory group for this work.
13:58:06 Okay, Yes, and and they have been all along the project has gone on for 3 years because of their health and assistance and guidance. because it is a technical advisory group
and not formal.
13:58:23 You know Catherine and denise are now contractors on there, because they're actually doing work on this analysis with me.
13:58:31 And their skills that are so invaluable and like just come in.
13:58:35 Because this is now more important to have you your skills that within the county, right and more official, real.
13:58:41 Okay, Kate, I see your hand up. Yeah. just if we could be more clear about the this, like even the project you just asked about Heidi.
13:58:53 It would be helpful for me to understand are we still so in that case we're turning up specifically about the the county on land, so I don't feel like we've made any decisions
about the the other the Dnr kind of
13:59:04 our our process for that. so was Heidi, was your question intended.
13:59:10 As for the the assessment of county lands, and was that what you were answering, Mallory?
13:59:14 Are we talking about a broader scope, a review of those, and and recommending, if any of them strategically make sense to be in some kind of other status or a longer rotation
or other management? not the whole, swath but
13:59:35 you know, if there are any strategic tracks Yeah, that line. up with county Lands management as well just we're doing the analysis of both, and we've all done a lot of the county
land So it is looking at now feature management.
13:59:50 For them, but also what does this look like, and then starting to incorporate some Dnr lands that are appropriate for conservation for harvesting for and we're only doing selective
management you know
14:00:03 It's this is ecological so the culture so we are.
14:00:07 This is triple bottom line, all of that. But trying to find what is the okay?
14:00:12 I I was not aware that that the that we had decided that the that scope would be added to your contract, so I I would just love to to kind of I guess, hear a little bit more
about your vision for that and your your sense
14:00:28 of getting your capacity. to take that on and so just because it's it's not something that I have been pretty too, yet.
14:00:40 Oh, sure, yeah. and I guess that was I think there's been back and forth on communicating.
14:00:44 This is this: has been what i've been building towards so we've had this question kind of looming about how dnr interacts with county lands.
14:00:52 And so especially with all of the questions coming, this was what
14:00:58 If you look at the scope of work the forest analysis the first section is really what Catherine and I wanted to do is to create this comprehensive math that we've been talking
about.
14:01:08 For I don't know Catherine like 4 years 3 years. Oh, wow!
14:01:11 Now of like what is the most strategic move for the county to make, and forest land management. and I because of the work I've done so far with the county.
14:01:23 I have good data now, for like what it takes to manage county lands.
14:01:26 So it's this question: of moving forward how do we incorporate? And how much do we want to incorporate and work with Dnr?
14:01:34 Just what does that look like? So it is in the wheelhouse.
14:01:39 It has been built into this contract. And so this was what I had planned on
14:01:45 I don't know, Catherine, do you want to Weigh in on on your and and it aligns with Catherine's work.
14:01:51 So I think Catherine should lay in and answer part of this, too, if she's available, she's there.
14:02:01 Catherine. Okay, we'll do catherine Matt, And then Peter Yeah.
14:02:09 Think this kind of circles back to some of our original thoughts. When Ross and Mike were weighing in.
14:02:13 Initially, we have questions about You know. Where where are these properties are, and how to development out out of provide the Commissioners with information about making
choices among various trade-offs in terms of force management conservation and another values
14:02:31 that we talk with these dance provide, and I think we're quotes to to be able to build off of previous information through the force can feature port, but really kind of take
that get some significant new steps to be able to to
14:02:42 give you the information that you need, Matt. I was just gonna weighing, really quickly.
14:02:51 And a couple of things. one is it when the when the scope is made?
14:02:55 I think it would be worth thinking long term about park values and open space values, and if there is a recommendation in there in the future to act on that, it does create
great benefits for our citizens health, safety and the economy, a lot of people feel
14:03:13 that the recreation economy can be more sustainable.
14:03:16 I mean the extraction economy. recreation is also promotes the environment, as we have seen.
14:03:25 In all of our parks where these projects have already taken place.
14:03:30 One thing I also would point out is my final point is that kids like that was doubled in size using Dnr exchange and kind of a complicated and exchange.
14:03:38 And we did a sustainable for us project on a former Dnr parcel.
14:03:45 Both generated revenue and greatly increase the benefits for humans and for the environment.
14:03:54 So it's a good precedent their success story that's it.
14:03:59 Thanks for sharing that Matt Peter I see your hand up you're muted
14:04:08 So good gives Lake is a good example of a project that Nwi took to lead on with the county commissioners and work with them very closely on with Matt and other people to make
that happen and I think that the forest for
14:04:27 the future that I worked on with Mike Cronin and Matt, and and County commissioners and others.
14:04:31 10 years ago that served its purpose, which was to basically Dnr.
14:04:37 Had thrown the ball back to the county and said Well, if you don't want us to do this huge land exchange and get rid of all this land.
14:04:44 The Dnr Owens and East jefferson County come up with something else and show us what we want to do.
14:04:49 So it's basically a map that says these are high priorities for conservation.
14:04:53 These blocks of Dnr land or high priority for continued timber production and
14:05:01 Since then that forest report really needs to be updated with new some new data layers we have on, you know, the globally rare forest communities.
14:05:10 Some areas have been cut There's all sorts of changes but That's a good bare bones for what needs to happen.
14:05:17 For the Dnr lands in East Jefferson County, and great people on this committee.
14:05:24 Now i'm glad Mike is still willing to participate But I think that if this committee is gonna address Dnr Lands in East Jefferson both school Trust and Forest Board the other
trust the advisory
14:05:40 committee that's involved been involved with mallory more on the forest practices in the county land needs to be expanded.
14:05:50 And to include myself as a biologist a conservation biologist and someone who's been working out here on this kind of stuff for 20 years, and I've got to my own horn, and say
one of the things
14:06:00 I bring is a very detailed knowledge of how all these accomplished mechanisms and conservation mechanisms work like Tlt reconvenience.
14:06:12 You know the other tools that Dnr has available, and also a pretty good knowledge of the landscape.
14:06:21 And so I definitely would like to be involved. on the advisory committee if it expands to basically in update of the forest for the future plan for the county.
14:06:33 And so i'll just leave it at that thanks Peter I see you can't hand went back up
14:06:43 Catherine was that I saw your hand. go back up you're gonna need to unmute Okay, so do we want to talk about our next steps.
14:07:02 I know mallory's got she's on contract, and she's expanding and resiggering the work plan there a little bit.
14:07:09 Do you want to talk about that, Mallory and your timeline?
14:07:15 Yeah. Yeah. So I think doing this analysis. Our goal is to have the analysis done by the end of the year.
14:07:24 That would include You know the financial analysis of of what looking at the future Dna Partials and Peter is correct.
14:07:34 I mean I think as an advisor that's that's great because it is the they are dnr lands.
14:07:42 He, He did do this work along with my chronum, and Mike has been key advisor for a long time.
14:07:48 So to have those resources there. but it is I I want, you know, a well rounded group to be informing this that has experience across the board.
14:07:57 You know Matt al denise. Everyone here brings more information to the table, and so Catherine and I are moving forward with looking at both the Dnr lands and the Jefferson county
lands looking at the
14:08:12 projective howvest schedule, and what Dnr is planning to do on these lands?
14:08:18 Looking at the ecological value because that's what a lot of Catherine's and ecologists.
14:08:23 She has a PHD. in ecology. This, like looking at sensitive habitat, is her specialty, and she can tutor on
14:08:30 But she's going to help really look at the ecology side of these properties with me and look at help us look at strategically looking at the Jefferson County lands along with
the nrlands where those sensitive sites are and where we
14:08:44 can have the most impact, and looking at like the parks, what the recreation value is.
14:08:49 Is that something? And And this is this is a larger project.
14:08:54 But we want to pull in some samples of just like Let's give a few scenarios, so obviously we can't do like analysis of every single property.
14:09:04 But a lot of that work has been done so we're trying to
14:09:07 We've established a few different criteria to figure out like how to review properties against each other, and figure out what's the best fit, and look at the the overall landscape
and in a more regional
14:09:21 context, and then leaning on advisors to look at
14:09:27 The financial analysis, and weigh in like all of them.
14:09:34 Mike Ross al denise you guys matt you all have longer experience here in county seeing what's been happening on the ground.
14:09:44 And helping to grab, choose, us to see like are those calls that we're making right on what we what we're recommending county take back or or leave.
14:09:56 And then looking at I mean it's so it'll be the just the Jefferson county lands this mixed land, and this is more of what i'm talking about is this mixed land is like figuring
out which
14:10:04 those key lands. If we're gonna do this middle of the road approach?
14:10:09 What are those key lands that We're recommending seem like the best fit with given Jefferson County's goals?
14:10:15 And then looking at the full D. and I reconvance and just giving you some information about what the implications are of that.
14:10:24 Anyway, Mike, you wanna lay in on that. Yeah, I just I just wanted to weigh in on that the notion of a kind of a well rounded committee.
14:10:35 I think the advisory committee has been working together for a while, and that they're great, and we we have the power and tools and expertise and brilliance to achieve these
goals.
14:10:49 Public. These are public lands that doesn't ever that doesn't ever stop us from people participating and reviewing and have break providing opinion.
14:10:56 So there are there's. even a wider range of people I want to bring to the table when we talk about carbon and ecosystem services.
14:11:05 And so the the notion that it the current committee is a stopping point for advising is not true.
14:11:12 It's we will, I think all of us who serve on the advisory.
14:11:16 Can you can pull, pull, Peter, pull people like Peter that's a lot of peace.
14:11:21 To to advise and consult. So I think we are.
14:11:27 I think this group is really open to brain power coming broader and outside of this
14:11:33 I plan on using lots of great power from the days of Gnr.
14:11:37 And carbon so bigger the better. But They don't all have to serve on the advisory committee kind of thing.
14:11:42 Just kind of brought up that notion for me when Peter was talking.
14:11:46 So ends up, and I also think we need to outline kind of a an architecture of like quarterly reports to the Commissioners.
14:11:58 And do we want? Do we want one of us commissioners to be with you, embedded with you guys?
14:12:05 Or do we want to rotate through as commissioners?
14:12:12 And you know it just it feels like we have to keep the public public process going It can be a less regular, not, you know, not a monthly check in, but like we could, if one
Commissioner was participating with
14:12:25 the with the advisors group. Then, quarterly, Maybe we could have updates to the group, to the entire board of County Commissioners, and I just think we need to think a little
artfully about how we keep this above above the phrase
14:12:42 too, Kate, to see your hand back up yeah i'm just i'm feeling a little behind the ball like something got rolling that I wasn't aware was rolling and so i'm trying to catch
up here because I feel like we haven't
14:12:54 really as a voc decided on a process and a scope and even the the questions that we're trying to get answered and maybe i'm singular in that and and feeling like, i'm i'm catching
up here
14:13:08 and not realizing that stuff was in the works that I didn't know was in the works.
14:13:12 But I think there's I know I would like the opportunity to provide more inputs, too.
14:13:19 And you know part of that's mallory and i've been trying to get together, and you know just schedules and all that.
14:13:23 But I think I would like us to take a couple of steps back and be as a commission, thinking about what is, what is the work we see that needs to be done here?
14:13:33 What are the questions ask? and then, and then run it through Mallory and a great group of advisors to see where there's a match for for getting network done at the table.
14:13:44 And all of you know, some of these questions that I don't think we have had a chance to discuss as a commission.
14:13:48 Yet what we want the process to look like. I think we need to be
14:13:53 You know what we're something we're not talking about here, but that is very true that this is a very political discussion, and you know many of you will be protected from that
in your roles as as professionals and natural resource
14:14:06 managers such, but for the for thecc it's very political and so you know, and we will we will take the hits accordingly.
14:14:15 Maybe maybe hopefully, a few kudos in there, too.
14:14:18 But you know. so what we need to have a say in in the process, the the questions that are being asked but information we're seeking, etc., Absolutely. and i'll just say in there
that like my I see
14:14:32 my role in this contract, and the scope of work it is flexible.
14:14:35 It's. but what I was putting for It is this information gathering and analysis to help you guys as a you all as a county commissioner is make the most informed decisions.
14:14:46 So it's not necessarily making recommendations it's information providing just so.
14:14:53 You have the information moving forward because I know I i'm getting the backlash of this, as well of like all of these questions that are coming at you, and we have the data.
14:15:02 We have all of this data, so it's really coalescing it and making it in a presentable way.
14:15:06 That is accessible to you. that is accessible to greg's got his hand up. Yeah, thanks.
14:15:14 I guess I just wanted to support what Kate was saying.
14:15:16 Just really get our arms around what we're trying to do and and I'm wondering if it would be helpful.
14:15:22 I know I I do recall this from the expanded the expanded contractor, the updated contract with Mallory, and I'm, wondering if it would be helpful to take a moment and look through
that scope of work and
14:15:32 really our baseline for what we expect from this analysis to make sure we're on the same page about that first as a starting point.
14:15:40 Yeah, and I I thought we had all had conversations about mallory's expanded contract because we can't talk to each other.
14:15:47 I I thought the Kate and malaria had the chance to tie, you know.
14:15:51 So this is a little bit of catching each other up.
14:15:55 But also I would like to figure out what the next step is to Mike.
14:16:00 I see your hand up. Yes, so it strikes me that one of the things missing in any kind of long term planning for fourth land is a prioritization of recreational value, and not
is probably the one to address this I am
14:16:17 never sure how valuable any given partial is in terms of recreation.
14:16:22 And some sort of an analysis of areas or regions that are short of recreational force would certainly help to identify the those that maybe should not be managed intensibly
and and be managed either less intensely or not at
14:16:40 all that. Would that would certainly help absolutely and i's why matt's and advisory that's why you're an advisory that's why catherine's an advisor so we have those so
14:16:55 you can help pull those out. but I think actually coming up with a prioritization is is a great, a good idea on this.
14:17:06 So is it good? Next thing for us to do for a couple more minutes is look at Mallory.
14:17:11 Scope of what their contract sure yeah i've got it I've got it available.
14:17:19 You want me to share my screen? Yeah.
14:17:27 That is that visible? Yes, yeah, big enough. Yeah. So in conversations I figured.
14:17:41 So I presented This idea of where I was going with the scope of work back in February to the County Commissioners, and that was where this scope of work came from.
14:17:53 That was what based on advisors and the work that we had done So far.
14:17:57 This was where I thought the next steps were, and why I made this proposal.
14:18:01 Within more information that has come out. I figured after this conversation, I would edit this again, because I think there's I think, focusing more on just this analysis and
having all hands on deck i'm just giving you an analysis
14:18:15 and projections for management. to help you guys make informed decisions is really the priority.
14:18:22 It feels like, So that for us lands, analysis, the deliverables analysis of properties to focus focus on premier term, long term conservation, restoration, management, cost
analysis and includes prioritization of high value ecological and at
14:18:36 risk sites and the Dnr management cost benefit analysis of county lands management.
14:18:42 So what are we looking at? If we acquire some of those lands?
14:18:46 And what are we looking at Like giving up financially i'm taking on
14:18:52 So that does that make sense in the Forest lance analysis I'm mostly trying to look at Kate because I don't know.
14:18:59 She's looked at this document. I I approved it so.
14:19:04 Yes. Well, so I mean, for example, do do we want to consider full reconvenience.
14:19:11 Yeah, that's that's a okay pretty massive you know I think I think giving you the information on what that would cost what the implications of that I I know i'm not necessarily
going.
14:19:29 Supposed to be making recommendations on this form, but that is a very big move to do full re commands, and take back all the county lands.
14:19:36 I think if you're considering that approach I think a phase approach of at least taking on a little bit of Dnr lands and looking at the financials and doing a phase approaches
like what are the pros and cons of this
14:19:48 is that much wiser move? I mean taking on all the dnr lands. Dnr.
14:19:54 Has all of their own staff. You have me part time and and I I know parks.
14:20:01 If if reconvenience is gonna be coming back to park, so Matt can also speak to
14:20:06 You know the management needs that we don't have in county to do that at this point. so I think it's worth looking at.
14:20:15 What it would actually cost and then what that would look like.
14:20:19 But I seriously download. that is the route that I would think the county would go.
14:20:24 Yeah. and I think I mean, I think we talked about this Mallory when I sat with you and Denise that it might just be good to analyze the timber stands.
14:20:33 So we'd have the information but not you know not towards the end of a full reconciliation.
14:20:43 But so the in looking at every single timber stand, which is kind of what happened with the force for the feature record that we can ask those questions of Is this a recreational
you know.
14:20:53 Is it? Is it important for wildlife connectivity, is it?
14:20:56 Next is an adjacent to another state or county recreation.
14:21:01 Land. So I think, looking taking a glance at every tract is important. but I don't think we're doing that with the end goal being full reconvenience.
14:21:12 But as in terms of the analysis I think it's important right personally, I don't know if you what you guys think about that Cater Greg I'm. I'm also pretty skeptical. the cool
reconvenience.
14:21:23 Of the viable option. so I just feel like it's a gigantic lift to prove a negative we're all sure of already.
14:21:29 So i'm i'm skeptical of the value I know there's 1,400 acres that a lot of folks are very interested in some of the older ones.
14:21:37 I guess I would probably prioritize the older forest and East Jefferson County.
14:21:41 If we're going to do analysis, I love deeper understanding of the the costs of you know recreational management, too. you still need some place to park.
14:21:51 You still need roads, you know, and some of these sees software costs that, you know the service of the Dnr.
14:21:57 Is providing with their management team are are really an interest to me as well as things like.
14:22:04 Oh, I just prove blank. Sorry I forgot what I was gonna say.
14:22:08 Lost in the middle of the city. But I I think this is the the right track is to to analyze this stuff and figure out.
14:22:15 I guess i'd love to have as part of this analysis, you know kind of truth in these these a recommendation for Dnr 2, a data data driven, hey?
14:22:26 If you do this you can still make your 25% administration fee, and you know everyone could drive, You know I would love to be able to them with the package. and I feel like
that's what Dnr
14:22:39 has been asking for is will tell us how you want us to do it.
14:22:43 And if we can present something that is a viable strategy that I I mean they're listening at least, so I I guess that's my my whole
14:22:55 And cater. Greg, have you guys have that chance to look at that course for the future report, because it has a a set of management, options and personal characteristics that
were reviewed for each tract of
14:23:10 dnr land and he's jackson county so that's pretty clearly outlined in that report, and so we just don't know what's changed in the last 11 years.
14:23:20 And what's being forecasted and so I think, looking at the forecast for Dnr, and then looking at what is cost us, to manage some of these lands, and looking at the management
needs of some of those specific
14:23:35 parcels and giving you the side by side analysis of what if Jefferson takes this person on, and what if we use it for partial recreation?
14:23:43 What are the costs of that? One Is the revenue of that?
14:23:45 Is there forest management management that needs to be done? What would be the cost and potential revenue from that?
14:23:51 And what the flip side if it goes forward with just Vnr.
14:23:55 So just to give you a few key parcels that, like, between Matt and Mike and Ross and Catherine and I.
14:24:05 And you know, Alan you know advisors that we I we earmarks some properties, and if we're working with one of the county Commissioners, which we didn't answer this question yet.
14:24:16 But I think it it would be great to have one county Commissioner, because this has been a struggle with the contract for the last 3 years is like, I know you all have a ton
on your plate, and that this is one project.
14:24:26 But it would be great to have consistency in who i'm talking to, and who, you know who we have to work with, so that I'm relaying information from my advisors as well, and there's
just consistency coming back
14:24:37 and and how he move the project forward. maybe it's the champion, the pickleball champion that joins it.
14:24:43 Advisory group. Can I ask one specific question mallory with link in our in some of our forestry that we did last year? that was on the area that was part of the trust land
transfer I think
14:24:59 we're all big big supporters of the trust land transfer program.
14:25:04 One of my concerns is that after we transfer it it in the the conservation management is no management at all, and we ended up having to come in after the facts.
14:25:14 And do this. So you know, we need to not only plan What is our plan, But we actually have to continue to execute it year after year, and we've not really been regular about
doing that.
14:25:25 I guess. I wonder if you can talk about long term, Stewart?
14:25:31 Absolutely, and that's. part of what the forest through feature it identifies those ecological values and some and has the stand types and that kind of thing.
14:25:40 But it doesn't some of those are young stands that you know, if we are taking them back from Dnr.
14:25:47 They were commercially planted, and if we're if our values are changing like that.
14:25:51 Dna Gibbs lake. It was a perfect. It was right in that window 35 years old, about where a commercial, thinning made sense, and how those trees will grow a lot better.
14:26:01 And we did this variable density, thinning with some gaps in it, so that we can see how it's going to respond.
14:26:07 So it was. so. taking these properties back at definitely needs to feed us.
14:26:12 Analysis of like what management needs would also be appropriate over the next 50 years. Yeah.
14:26:18 And I'm going to do? A closer analysis of this like next 5 years.
14:26:22 What? what are we meeting immediately, and to budget for, but giving a broad range?
14:26:29 Do you want a few key parcels? of like look this is what I'm projecting that you're gonna need to plan for them in the next 50 years?
14:26:35 Just so you have that in mind of like How we're if we're going to do forest stewardship.
14:26:39 You actually have to do for a stewardship conservation is one thing, but climate change adaptation.
14:26:44 We don't know what's going on with these for us And so, taking an active management role in like, how do we help these forests be healthy, thriving and neat multiple goals for
the county is really the big question, and that's
14:26:56 why I have all these advisors. So back to that kind of scope of the recombination.
14:27:07 Could we come at it in a like kind of setting some some criteria for looking at parcels that we think for identifying parcels that we think might be suitable for reconvenience,
and doing an analysis on that and those
14:27:23 personally, so that we're not doing it on all Dnr. which you know.
14:27:27 But instead really identifying which ones might lend them themselves to reconvenience.
14:27:32 Just cause I Don't I don't think there's a there is a an interest in in full recombination, sure. So that's great.
14:27:39 I mean this is that's helpful to know because I wasn't sure if that was a really serious objective for the Commissioners.
14:27:48 But no we won't go that road and we'll just look at The key parcel so in my mind, and for these advisors time in it would be looking at recreational value parks like are there
other
14:27:59 parts in that area, and and that I would turn to that, too, of course.
14:28:02 And like, what did he see? the ecological value?
14:28:06 So, turning to Katherine, and what are the ecological values of it?
14:28:14 Are there pieces that have a high ecological conservation looking to myself and Mike.
14:28:21 For forest management needs. What is the state of the forest if it's a young like 25 year old forest probably gonna need a little bit of management.
14:28:30 If it was commercially planned as a doug first and because it's gonna keep getting denser and oh, yeah, force management that list, I mean, I would say, like, is there a high
potential for participation
14:28:48 and a a carbon program absolutely, and another one would be contiguous with other county own lands Absolutely.
14:28:58 And yes, and I think that's part of what Katherine and I have been really interested in in this larger math is like looking at.
14:29:06 I think you were involved in that ag lands map from landworks a while ago that has stuck in my head as like showing the broader trends across county or State lines.
14:29:21 But like, where are they? Richer more ecological forests that we're looking at?
14:29:24 And where is there more public land? and how do we want to connect that
14:29:31 And so yes, that is another aspect. Thank you for Con. Another thing that I I think that sometimes we give short shift to.
14:29:39 Is that the different lens the different organizations, are using in their management practices.
14:29:45 I mean. I know Dnr is looking at you know the whole Olympic region.
14:29:47 They're not looking at Jefferson county so often decisions. alright cool, clear, based on looking at county borders, and they're they're more clear. Looking at the larger map.
and I guess I just wanna make sure this lens of
14:30:02 perception is considered as you go through. this yeah yeah, I think so.
14:30:09 I I think that's why we have I think that just comes back to the advisors again to be making sure that any thing that i'm pushing forward is is reviewed in that way.
14:30:22 Mike Grass, you wanna here Yeah. Maybe you could expand on that great cause for my my experience.
14:30:29 I know that when they do sale planning they try to balance it between the county. So they're you know you're not one year 0 revenue.
14:30:40 And yeah, so I I know they do look at it somewhat specifically.
14:30:43 But I I yes, I understand that You have to look at it as a whole, too.
14:30:46 I guess I mean in even that these different ways that Dnr.
14:30:50 Is looking at it to give regular revenue to the junior taxing districts.
14:30:55 It's just a bunch of different ways. of looking at it I Guess i'm just i'm just counseling a breath of of yeah. yeah. So I guess I would reiterate with Mike said earlier is
that in in these
14:31:08 discussions as they occur as to at least invite Dnr to the table, and maybe at the local level.
14:31:13 Like the region level, or even more locally at the district level, and and maybe they don't participate in all the meetings.
14:31:23 But they do have a lot of the information you're looking for already at hand.
14:31:28 So like in the inventory ages, all that stuff.
14:31:31 Yeah, So I saw Katherine's hand go up and Denise his hand and go up, and then Peter's hand go up, and we should probably allocate ourselves and other 20Â min.
14:31:43 Max trying to be ring later here. on on ross's comments.
14:31:52 I mean. the good news is that for the values data transparency, and we have access to quite a bit of the data that they're using sometimes a little bit out of sync with them
or leaders planning But
14:32:02 but you know, as others pointed out, the more we incorporate Dnr.
14:32:08 Staff into this exercise the most latest data says we'll have access to
14:32:13 And then you know, in terms of your your thought about the way that that sales are allocated among.
14:32:20 You know East versus West Jefferson County, I think you know, I certainly saw that positive and negative aspects in terms of the distribution of the trust lands and the ability
of of Dnr to satisfy county county scale
14:32:35 requirements to meet junior taxing district funding But that that could result in really different distributions of conservation value and forest characteristics across accounting.
so that kind of that we can include in our analysis Yeah, that's
14:32:53 it, Denise did. you have something you wanna add yeah I was thinking about that criteria of lenses that people were talking about, and I would add, people's concerns about fire.
danger whether they're real they are particularly But it
14:33:11 is a concern. people, have but I think it needs to be addressed in our analysis, because, and especially when it goes to kind of public review.
14:33:19 So that's one I would add the other one is There are not to add sprinkles to the top of the cupcake.
14:33:27 But one of the fun analysis components of doing for particular lands is, you can do a deep dive, especially around kind of Catherine's work about potential other kinds of ecosystem
services and Yeah, climate adaptation
14:33:42 components. There are ways of communicating with funders that speak to, hey?
14:33:49 You know. Not only do we have to have a healthy for us. We have a have the healthy forest that fits in a kind of climate, adaptive.
14:33:58 Extreme weather pattern changes and so those are kind of more lenses that i'm really interested in and have been for a lot of years, especially when I was working at Nrd.
14:34:11 So those are 2 other lenses, Kate. I would add to your list.
14:34:14 Yeah, and the only ones that i've heard that weren't on the original for us, for the future list of considerations where climate's not there, and fire is not there, but all
these other things like adjacent ownership
14:34:28 and fish and wildlife habitat and recreational they're all on that list.
14:34:32 So reviewing that list is a starting point would be a good thing, Peter.
14:34:37 I see your hand up. Yeah, Is it possible to share screen I'll try and do that?
14:34:43 I wanted to share a map. Yeah, so who's ever in share screen.
14:34:50 Okay, you just hit it at the bottom of your screen.
14:34:56 Okay, try it again.
14:35:04 Okay, can you guys see that great? So this is kind of the nuts and volts, the of the forest for the future report and real?
14:35:15 So simply. what we did was look at every block of Dnr land with a lot of help from Mike Corona, because he knows every block really well. And look at the timber production Protocol.
14:35:28 The conservation potential recreation and and make recommendations on which ones really high priority for there's a couple of different categories in here.
14:35:40 The dark green is just continued timber production by Dnr.
14:35:45 The blue, I think, was existing or in process tlts.
14:35:51 You can see Gibbs Lake up there with Zoom process.
14:35:53 At that time, and then the stripey ones with the hash marks like near Port Laudlow.
14:36:01 Those were dnr hold or community forest, and the yellow was dnr hold, or community Forest or T.
14:36:10 Lt. and notice that's the beaver valley track that was pulled from the Reso. No. some of the stuff was identified 10 years ago as being a priority for conservation, or otherwise
another one is the thorndyke which was
14:36:24 proposed for tt and That's now is now that's part of the day.
14:36:29 Bob Bay boundary. now, and it's part going through Tl.
14:36:34 So the very basic level, I think you know, as part of the scope of work.
14:36:38 You need to have a map that comes out with and maybe There's another category for reconvance.
14:36:46 Some of these parcels, like Rudlow, might be a perfect one for community forest reconvenience or something the basic level.
14:36:53 This is what's I think needed and then within that go into those reconvenience pieces, and say, Well, you know what are the economics?
14:37:00 If the county takes this over for management, or not or if you know.
14:37:07 So that's that I just wanted to share that so people got an idea for each of these parcels.
14:37:12 They're all names. you can go to a name like This is Thorndyke, and you can go to the back of the the report, and you get a whole right up on that particular parcel, and some
of these have changed
14:37:25 over some of them in clear cut. Some of them have stayed the same.
14:37:29 If you look just one more thing I wanted to bring up
14:37:35 If you look at the bottom. This was the daca Bush River proposed for Tt.
14:37:40 Because It's Elk wintering range really important for the Elk.
14:37:45 This is one that Dnr proposed to sell this piece at an auction as part of their land bank option a couple of years ago, and because we have this report, we were able to go back
and say wait a minute that's not a good
14:37:56 piece to sell really, and and the tribes the State Ww.
14:38:02 The county commissioners. Everybody convince dnr not to sell that piece.
14:38:07 It's still kind of in Limbo that was a tl So that's about it, Thank you, Hopefully, Oh, hopefully, this can be obviously brought up to date.
14:38:22 But also now we've got the globally. rare forest the element occurrences from Dnr heritage that can go on this and that that legacy forest layer.
14:38:33 So we got 2 really important shaped files that can be overlaid right on this to get a better idea of some of the priority areas.
14:38:43 Thanks. Peter, ,
14:38:50 So. Just so, Kate and Greg and I cause this is our only opportunity to have a conversation about this.
14:38:57 Are Are you good? with Mallory moving forward with their contract?
14:39:03 As as described today. Peter, do you want to stop sharing your screen
14:39:13 Looks like he's working on it. Okay, cool Peter you need to stop sharing
14:39:24 So I Still, I still feel like the we need a little more inputs in the process.
14:39:32 And so I I would. I have a an idea of how we might do that.
14:39:36 Which is to maybe make sure that we have a a diverse and representative group, and I I totally appreciate that you have that to some degree, Mallory.
14:39:50 But you know, as a Pr. a public entity, we need to really be sure that we are representing all of the the interested parties.
14:39:58 So I do think we should consider if there is representation in kind of helping shape the scope of this
14:40:07 If we have the right. all the right. folks at the table which you know might be different for our purposes than for your purposes, Mallory, and that's That's hard and you know
partly and I i'm wanting to protect
14:40:16 you a little bit from a political and contentious potentially issue
14:40:23 And so like. I think we need to be honest about is is this very political thing we're doing something that you want to take on.
14:40:28 And I get you saying, you know it's about the information and totally respect that
14:40:34 But information is weaponized these days. we know i'm a little bit.
14:40:39 So I think I think we have a responsibility to make sure that we feel like all the right.
14:40:46 Interests are at the table for a very public process and something that we're asking, So can I ask a question on that key point, because I just want us to have next steps. So
if Mallory sends us a list of her advisors and we've
14:40:58 added Peter today to the 3 of us, we could send back suggestions to her specifically, is that would that be a process that would work for you, Kate.
14:41:09 Or yeah, and maybe work with, you know with this group who might They might have a good idea of you know should there be
14:41:15 I I i'll just throughout should there be representation from the timber industry, and they're very interested.
14:41:21 They're very concerned about lack of consistent supply to mills we know that that's a very real concern.
14:41:28 You know. so I don't know and I I I am not pretending like I have answers here, but I could see, making sure that we have a right committee that includes identifying a commissioner
to be involved in that
14:41:38 process working that committee working with Mallory to refine a scope of work, and then that scope of work coming back to the Commissioners for feedback and approval.
14:41:52 Before moving on. that would be my recommendation that might be a different group than Mallory's existing advisory group, and I I don't know.
14:41:58 I mean
14:42:04 Yeah, I I mean, I get your point, and it is I mean, I I have talked a lot about this.
14:42:11 I am aware that going into forestry is not that's a contentious field, and I think there are I think there are a lot of benefits here, and trying to look at it from all sides.
and I tried to get the most
14:42:25 balanced group that I could but you're right I don't have timber industry on there.
14:42:29 I have Dmr: and yeah, so there is.
14:42:34 There is a missing piece there. if that's something that we want to be seeing
14:42:39 I will say, you know, as chickadee, because I am a contractor.
14:42:42 I do work with private industry. quite a bit and I I do have other contracts.
14:42:49 And so it's not something that is outside of my own field
14:42:53 But however, you want to do this as the county as a contractor here
14:42:57 I'm trying to make your lives easier. as Well, and I think all of the people, all of the advisors here.
14:43:04 Have been committed here for to me and for to this project for 3 years, because they care deeply about lands and the community.
14:43:15 And you know the balance of doing this right and setting setting ourselves up for success in the enforcement land management.
14:43:24 I hope it doesn't sound like i'm questioning that at all.
14:43:26 In fact, I've worked with most of you for many many years.
14:43:31 Totally trust the expertise is far surpasses mine. I just wanna be sure that we're setting up the process to get to the right.
14:43:39 Yeah to provide the right information that we need and so having having you do a bunch of work, and then say, Oh, wait, We didn't get the questions we really needed.
14:43:48 Answered that's what i'm afraid of yeah yeah no and I I I didn't feel like that
14:43:53 I'm just gonna call out and try and support my advisors all the time, and did these.
14:43:58 Did you just put your hand up again? Yeah, I have a recommendation for you, Heidi.
14:44:03 As far as this process goes, and to kate's point about not being sure what the next steps are. what the you know what is the public input and and what role does it have I love
the idea of potentially having a very particular
14:44:20 board or or vice or work group or whatever you want to call it, that addresses Kate's point with regards to input and a place where contentious issues come to play.
14:44:35 The current advisory Board is a working group is a kind of roll up your sleeves. Answer questions.
14:44:41 Get things done. I think that tenor of that would change one.
14:44:44 What dramatically, in order to meet case objective as being a transparent public entity.
14:44:52 Kind of space and so I I really I don't think you can resolve that here.
14:44:56 I think, asking for input for people about how that is addressed is a really good idea, Kate, and that you that be a step, and then have a timeline about how how those things
get reported to the public.
14:45:09 And how it maintains its transparency I think I think you you're asking for some a proposal that you could pick at as far as timeline and advisor, and process in public comment
right which is something I don't think you can
14:45:24 do at this meeting, but you can ask the advisory group that currently supports Mallory to you know recommend recommendations about how that timeline and public transparency
issue gets resolved and I and I think
14:45:36 that's a perfect place for an a county commissioner to be on.
14:45:42 You know the a group that the county commissioner is on or rotates through, or how that ever works.
14:45:46 So I think that's a really I think that's a step that has to be put on paper, and then proposed again to y'all for picking up and I did put it on some paper.
14:45:55 Started putting it on some paper so I think it's a it's a nested set of folks it's it's a project manager which I see Mallory in that role.
14:46:04 It's a core technical team and then it's an then there's an advisory group it's a bit broader, which I think is what kate's talking about is building that so the technical advisory
group
14:46:16 is the gets in the weeds and looks at the data.
14:46:19 And you know, Cr. does the crunchy Nerdy data analysis.
14:46:24 But the advisory group is a broader stakeholder group that has, you know, different interests.
14:46:30 And then there needs to be an outlined calendar of public engagement opportunities.
14:46:36 Whether like I said earlier that's quarterly So I you know I've started to kind of map that out.
14:46:42 But I you know I didn't this is the first time i've had the chance to sit with you all and talk about it so, and i'll just chime in since we're trying to see Oh, sorry no no
other hands are
14:46:57 up. Okay. okay, since we're trying to do that a we did talk briefly about it, and not put you on the spot, Heidi.
14:47:07 But do you want to be that point person at least to start so that it can be?
14:47:11 I will be project manager, and I will be working with you to define the scope of work.
14:47:19 Clarify that and determine a timeline, so that we can have the public engagement because we we did talk about this to have
14:47:27 You know one or 2 public meetings in addition to voc.
14:47:31 These kinds of meetings to just share the work and see what public also has the same.
14:47:38 Yeah, I know I mean i'm happy to serve that role. and I I was thinking that there were you were gonna have similar conversations with Greg and Kate since we met. so i'm not
sure if that happened but I would have to share
14:47:54 my little nested outline of of folks in public outreach and engagement, and work on that with Mallory, and then get it back to the Bcc.
14:48:04 For review. if that works for everyone, make sure, I understand.
14:48:14 Just So we have the technical advisory group already.
14:48:18 Right mallory's advisory group is really our Technical Advisory Group.
14:48:22 We're talking about making a kind of a a broader group.
14:48:28 To have these policy questions is what it seems to me is that because that's I mean to me. the advisory group has worked to do that's been outlined and is appropriate.
14:48:37 I think, Kate, maybe not quite signed off on that path.
14:48:43 But I feel like that. information needs to come before we convene this wider group that is, and i've come up with our strategy right?
14:48:51 We're still getting the data and I feel like we have the group together to collect right? right next step would be putting that one Commissioner and Advisor group with Peter
and timber interests, and and and you know milled or whatever
14:49:03 and ecological stakeholders and you know neighbors to forest land whatever, and there we come up with a policy direction based on the data that's being gathered.
14:49:17 Now does that Jive, with what you're saying heidi I think so.
14:49:21 I think it's just different terms. then. yeah and I will say real quickly, the I haven't had a chance.
14:49:31 I've talked a little bit to greg but we did meet with Heidi and my goal was to have a one-on-one with each of the county commissioners just to go over this individually with
each of you because I know we can't
14:49:40 have these conversations as a group, but just to have clarification on my role with you, and making sure that I'm capturing what each of your goals can concerns are. as we move
forward.
14:49:53 So Greg and heidi sorry it'd be great to meet with you and I can send invites and still coordinate that Yeah, and I mean ultimately we all we still have the 3.
14:50:06 Of us have to decide, you know. Just got send aside the the direction we want to go.
14:50:12 So this you know, there's No, avoiding the awkward public public meeting, where we make sausage in real time in view of the public.
14:50:22 Yeah, but it gives a little bit more time one on one to just find out a little bit more information and just to address more of your questions. so we don't have to necessarily
do it in a forum h time.
14:50:35 Yeah, my my my desire I mean I I don't really care what we call it, or what we but steps what I would really like is is for us to get a draft scope of work with more specificity
14:50:54 and and agree to that as a board that's really my my desired Next step.
14:51:00 And whether that's an advisory committee or I I don't know, or heidi taking a stab at it.
14:51:08 And then us responding to it. but I I would like to see a framework.
14:51:13 To be sure that we're getting to the out not even outcomes just the well, yeah, I think really outcomes of it.
14:51:21 See that It's: gonna give me the information I feel like I need to to be considering good policy recommendations or asks of Dnr: Absolutely.
14:51:32 So are we good with me? working with Mallory on her update scope of work.
14:51:40 Okay, thanks. Heidi: Yeah, okay, I think that that's a good next step.
14:51:51 I So look at us. Go team. Okay, Well, thank you to Mike and Ross and Al and everyone with their cameras off.
14:52:04 Peter and Catherine and Denise for being here today and for your input Mallory and I will work on that updated scope of work and get it on Yes,
14:52:16 So we had it on the agenda that we're gonna take public comment as part of this agenda item.
14:52:21 So if anyone is with us on the attendee list who would like to make a public comment about anything, we just discussed over the last 52Â min, please raise your hand, using the
raise hand button.
14:52:34 At the bottom of the zoom screen, and we will bring you over for comments.
14:52:41 Okay, let's start with al cause he's in the room with me here. Yeah.
14:52:47 I'm just concerned that the it might end up being a very cumbersome person.
14:52:52 No, it's loving more process than and interfere with Mallory actually being able to get anything done
14:53:03 Well, we got our first step, so planned. thanks al
14:53:10 I saw another hand up, so I think it was Cindy.
14:53:13 Oh, Yeah, send me brought. Send you over send you you can unmute and you'll have 3Â min for public comment on mute Hello, Commissioners, and everyone.
14:53:26 Thanks for the great meeting. I think it's a great idea to update that for us, for the future.
14:53:32 Document. It seems to provide a good outline now. good starting point, or the criteria.
14:53:41 That, I think, is very important to add is climate change mitigation up the potential for each parcel to optimize forest carpent sequestration.
14:53:51 That's different from edit you know. climate adaptation potential and fire resistance and all that stuff.
14:53:58 But that's really my comment. Add Forest Carbon sequestration potential.
14:54:06 Thank you, Cindy. Do we respond to them? or if you want to respond, go ahead?
14:54:12 Yeah, thank you, Cindy, and I think the way that i've practiced forest management and ecological silver cultures.
14:54:21 That is very much incorporated in to to the model is forest carbon sequestration.
14:54:29 I've, added Denise, on to address that in a much more targeted way, and really focus on carbon.
14:54:40 So
14:54:41 I know. Oh, yeah, that that exactly. Now we already covered it That's part of my job.
14:54:51 And in looking at this, and I think it's I think it's a part of one of the things cindy indirectly addresses is measuring it making it known and and understanding what car how
much carbon is being
14:55:03 sequestered in in a lands we identify I think it's taken credit for what we're doing.
14:55:10 Basically. So I think it's a really good point that it gets get let's get what gets measured.
14:55:16 Gets noticed. Take it thanks, Denise. Anybody else on the attendee list who would like to make a public comment
14:55:29 Not seeing any other hands. Go up, Kate or Greg.
14:55:30 Do you want to respond to that? The carbon line of thinking?
14:55:37 No, i'd be more interested in responding to al and just like I I hear you and I agree and it's I think part of the idea of signing up on the scope of work.
14:55:48 Is that we then let Mallory and their team run with it.
14:55:51 And then what we do with that information you know that that they're gonna get back down again in the public process.
14:55:59 But if we agree to it upfront, then let the the technical people do their thing, then we will.
14:56:04 We will digest it after the back so appreciate you're at yeah.
14:56:09 But here you say that for 25 years out I agree with you.
14:56:14 Awesome any other public comment on this item otherwise we're gonna close this workshop up and super huge gratitude for everyone who joined us today.
14:56:28 And don't go far away yeah i'd i'd just like to thank you all. and and if there's anything else from any of my advisors I really appreciate you all showing up and to talk about
this I know
14:56:41 this has been a hot topic. so if you have any closing notes. i'd love to hear from you.
14:56:48 I just like to give a quick shout out to Mallory who dealing with the county own land.
14:56:54 She's in her day job, she's been creating relationships and markets for small wood like within the county, and so that will be going forward that'll be hugely successful for
the county own lands especially the small 5 and 10
14:57:08 acre ones that right now seem un not economically manageable, but creating these.
14:57:13 You know Mills right in the county right locally we'll we'll be going forward to be great so Thanks, Miller.
14:57:21 Thanks for us. Yeah, This isn't something we even touched on.
14:57:26 But I will comment real quick, and just say that This has been a big project in mine, especially in working with Mike.
14:57:34 A lot. that small forest line on those are a huge part of our land base and for the county.
14:57:39 We have so many less than 10 acre kind of properties, And if there are forest health issues, how do we manage those and keep the wood in county and keep jobs in county?
14:57:48 And I have been piloting that and just a first 2 harvest with Woodsong Tree Company.
14:57:54 They're doing stuff smaller selective thinning for me and selling would back in county and have a local log buyer. and we're negotiating for log storage in county.
14:58:04 So we are doing local sales, and I would. My plan is to expand that within county so very exciting
14:58:14 Anything else from any anyone else on in the zoom room or Al No.
14:58:20 Okay, Well, thanks everyone, we're gonna move on to our next agenda item, which is another workshop.
14:58:27 Thanks, Alory. Let's make a date soon sounds great Okay, alright, Thank you guys.
14:58:38 So now we're moving on to stock housing plans and we'll bring Brent and Jodi and fell over.
14:58:50 Thank you. Al appreciate you.
14:59:00 And and Jodi Carolyn yeah, she has to accept right. Jody.
14:59:09 If you're listening, you have to accept the promotion of panelists.
14:59:14 Okay, So I'm assuming brands running this started kicking this off remark: I'm not sure taking the lead on this workshop.
14:59:27 I think Brent can lead it off. I know this is a priority of the Board.
14:59:30 To simplify the development of affordable housing through the use of stock plans, and I think call them Count County served as the model, and I think maybe Commissioner Brotherton
brought this up some months ago.
14:59:45 And so with that Brent tick, the floor, please.
14:59:56 I believe Bill Sissyer needs to be brought over as well, he's here.
14:59:58 Okay, I didn't see him
15:00:05 Well, Brand is. Do you know Jodi yourself did? Did you guys have a game?
15:00:12 Go check. He should be there 1Â s. Okay, Thanks.
15:00:16 Can you hear me? no camera, though? Oh, okay. Can you see the Powerpoint?
15:00:25 Okay, So I'm: thank you a mark for the opening lines that I did hear you, and our discussion today is on a workshop.
15:00:38 Really stop plans. The housing policy we program and plan and i'm joined today.
15:00:46 By Jodi Adams, the and administrative manager, and Phil Susie.
15:00:51 Our planning examiner, too, and I think Phil you've got 15. Icc.
15:00:58 Certifications. Is that correct? yes, sir, correct yeah so we're really thankful to have you as part of the team.
15:01:08 Our agenda we're gonna look at a the stock plans of definitions of liability the 4 pathways.
15:01:19 Some of the designs and it's up to the board, but we do have a planning commission subcommittee, and I believe the subcommittee members are here.
15:01:31 2 of the subcommittee, members have degrees in architecture. and I think they'd be more than willing to participate by just explaining the plans.
15:01:40 If if the so chooses we're also gonna look at the the cost and procedures, and then i'll move on to next steps.
15:01:52 So you can use. that really important first question we've designed this initially.
15:02:01 It was really focused on residential plans.
15:02:03 And when I say residential plans we're looking at the plans that would serve the purposes not only of assessory dwelling units, but also critically important of what some communities
call up basic
15:02:21 housing unit, and we're gonna a touch base on that a little bit more.
15:02:28 And actually, there was a a typo or a misstatement in this, in the gender request where we mentioned Pleasant Harbor.
15:02:36 Actually the county. recommended that they use the stop plans, and then and pleasant.
15:02:44 Harvard did like the idea and and these stop plans would help ensure that we're only charging what is a reasonable, a reasonable fee for services.
15:02:56 So it does also meet some other needs, and and Jody will cover the fee schedule.
15:03:02 And how that is laid out. A later on in the presentation.
15:03:08 Now, what is it? So a stock plan is a design that is repeated for more than one site.
15:03:16 Okay, So some of you might remember that old song about Daily City taking time ticking time.
15:03:23 But but it's it's really was intended to have multiple designs that can be repeated throughout the community and save costs.
15:03:33 Now who prepares it. Well, typically we have a a license design professional, such as an architect.
15:03:41 But that's not necessarily a requirement the benefits of that, and I talked about this in our staff. report.
15:03:48 Or agenda request is that there's a unity provided by statute for a licenseed professionals like surveys.
15:03:58 Architects landscape architects and but often designers carried their own insurance.
15:04:10 And so that might be a way to encourage designers that don't have a practicing license to also participate.
15:04:17 And I just wanted to highlight that so i'm gonna move on to the next slide, and so what are the 4 pathways.
15:04:27 So we as a planning agency have been working with together.
15:04:37 When I say the planning agency i'm referring to the planning division and of the planning commission.
15:04:46 And so July 11. I shared the Planning Commission created a subcommittee of 3 individuals.
15:04:55 Commissioner Arlene Allen, Commissioner Matt, sister and Commissioner of Kevin Kocher,
15:05:06 Both Commissioners, Coker and Allen, have degrees in architecture, and are they been very helpful in looking at other plans?
15:05:15 And so we have 4 of different approaches that we investigated
15:05:20 The first approach listed. here is the city of Seattle.
15:05:24 They have 10 plans selected for more than a 160 received.
15:05:31 That was a call for projects. Well, we have a partnership with housing solution networks which is really trying to get some local projects, local plans and then we've looked
and met with Cloud and county and they had a
15:05:48 basic unit. And then the fourth one is the pre-approved plans and processes, and only today, hot off the press.
15:05:57 I've got a response for that so we're gonna go one by one, and then I i'll come back to the State of Washington.
15:06:05 I'm gonna pass the baton to a fill alright.
15:06:11 Thank you, Director Butler. So basically, what this was is that Cloud County had a program setup for, I should say specifically the the director of Calm County had a system
setup that was a 392 square for what They
15:06:27 call a basic living unit. It was designed to be built simply with locally available products.
15:06:37 Everything would be through. typical hardware. Nothing would be proprietary stuff of view available off the shelf and local hardware stores and that kind of thing smelly there.
15:06:47 So the way that their system had worked was that there was a
15:06:53 They had a reduced fee schedule. With that it was $392 for 392 square feet, and that included the basic inspections and everything you needed to do it was to be
15:07:05 able to be built by somebody with minimal construction, knowledge and background.
15:07:11 But would be what they were calling. A basic moving meeting is a very good basis.
15:07:17 I think something that we could probably base a similar program off of.
15:07:21 Unfortunately, this particular plan set does not meet the 28 Washington State Energy code, or the 28 team Irc that we have adopted apparently columns a little bit.
15:07:33 Has is adopted a different code cycle. There are a different code cycle than we are.
15:07:37 And then, additionally, it is my understanding that the director is left con County sometime the summer, and that those plans were her intellectual property.
15:07:51 So the county doesn't currently own them or have the right to teach to sell them to us. So i'm not sure how feasible it is to actually still try to use this program.
15:08:05 But there's a lot of basics there's a lot of groundwork there that I think that we can build upon to get our own pre-approof center plans
15:08:17 So i'm gonna switch to the the what I call the near term approach was the city of Seattle Pathway, and as I indicated, they had a 160 plans submitted.
15:08:31 They identified 10 of those plans, and of those 10 plans.
15:08:38 On. We have 3. The planning commission subcommittee identified 4
15:08:45 That we would recommend and so we're gonna i'm gonna defer to them to discuss that.
15:08:51 But before we do that I just wanted to talk about the other pathways.
15:08:55 As well. Another pathway is the housing solutions network.
15:09:00 And what we're doing tomorrow is we'll be meeting with Hsn.
15:09:08 As a collaborative with the city of port towns, and the real goal of that meeting is to identify
15:09:14 What types of plans the community would benefit from. And some of this could, would benefit from your input.
15:09:21 Of the plan sets that We've. looked at for the city of Seattle, City of Seattle.
15:09:28 You'll notice that none of them approach 1,249 square feet.
15:09:34 They have oh requirement that for size, just like most municipalities, such as the city of Port Town, and which has a 800 square foot limitation.
15:09:51 And so one of the things that is a concern is that we don't have many large designs, and and that partnership might be able to fill that gap,
15:10:05 And then another approach is the Washington State department of commerce issued housing action plan implementation grants, and although we did not qualify for that, we're not
a city, one of the cities on the
15:10:22 Olympic peninsula the city of Port Angeles.
15:10:26 Is developing stock plans. that would be duplexes.
15:10:33 The abus, and I believe they have one other model and so What we're hopeful is that there's a potential that we might be able to utilize those plans and at least provide some
input to that process and So that
15:10:50 is a grant that that right now they've submitted a they're about to go out with an rfp to retain a consultant to develop that and so I consider those 2 more long term.
15:11:05 But I wanted to. apprise you of that. Any questions at this junction.
15:11:11 Okay. So I believe we do have our planning commissioners.
15:11:18 In attendance. and I believe they might wish to present.
15:11:22 Do we have a Commissioner Allen and Commissioners Cochlear.
15:11:27 Okay, Commissioner Sicily available. Bring them over early now on and not seriously okay.
15:11:38 Yes, I don't see kevin with us guys Well, they're coming over.
15:11:46 Are these Seattle plans up to date? 20, you know, up to date energy code, 2018 irc and all that.
15:11:55 So. All of these plans are done in accordance with the 2,018 Icc.
15:12:03 And and I do want to point out that just before we go into that.
15:12:08 Is that We have a cycle, that is coming up and i'm gonna discuss that, and i'll circle back to that.
15:12:17 If that's okay, Commissioner brownerton and i'll let Arlena commissioner allen and and Commissioner seriously discuss the plans.
15:12:27 Commissioners. welcome As I indicated the these 2 commissioners are 2 of the 3 that form the subcommittee, and so are you able to see
15:12:39 The presentation. Okay, So I have the first plan set up that was recommended.
15:12:48 And i'm gonna let our lean or armat share What they family liked about this
15:12:58 Good afternoon. So I would I would say that first of all I'm not prepared to do this.
15:13:04 Someone else should be doing this today, so forgive me I didn't do that in such detail.
15:13:09 I think, though I can speak to how we chose these plans, and of the group of 4, all of them would fit within the cities range, and some of them were scalable.
15:13:25 And this is one that was scalable. And so some of them look at one bedroom, but have modules to be 2 and 3, and what we did when we looked at all of the 10 plans that were online
we we looked at them from
15:13:40 the perspective of livability. Some of them were not. and you know, could a family live in?
15:13:46 This is the flow work. Is this a reasonable plan? Is this something that is adaptable to our plots here, which are somewhat different than Seattle?
15:14:00 And so we chose these 4, and I know that Brent can go through them.
15:14:05 But we chose these 4 with a livability. We chose one of them for its market ability as well of its livability, and and that one is with so few garages floating through our area.
15:14:18 This is our model that you can have a garage at rent what's upstairs now?
15:14:24 That's a pretty common usage in many places but not necessarily here, and for people who have the heart to invest in the community who want to help the challenge.
15:14:37 This is one way for them to be able to build something that they can benefit from immediately have that increased use of their bot paid for by the tenant. And so all of that
makes this entire plan at this moment in time very
15:14:58 marketable to our community. Thank you. I I did Commissioner Alan. I did put up the garage plan, and I'm going to move through the next one for those that are on the phone.
15:15:13 The first planet we shared was Artisans group, which has a good universal access, and they do have costs for hourly.
15:15:26 A consultation. and what i'm showing is an accessible one bedroom detached accessory dwelling unit, which also in our community, could be used as a primary dwelling unit.
15:15:41 And it has a vaulted ceiling. So then there is a gable room option good question. when you say they have an option for hourly consultation.
15:15:51 Does that mean that as architects they could, we could hire them for a few hours to adapt these plans, change them?
15:15:59 Or is it is that what you're talking about Oh, Well, Actually, there's 2 components here. So for all of the plans. the way it's arranged with the city of Seattle is that the
the community member goes to the architecture firm and Buys the plan
15:16:15 set, the plan set would already have been reviewed by
15:16:19 The municipality, and then they do have an option of apply of buying the plan set on.
15:16:27 I call plan set light without all of the engineering or the can buy the plan set and also buy all of the site engineering.
15:16:39 Okay. and So there's an additional cost for that I think it was 1,000 for the plan set, and another 1,500 for its engineering.
15:16:49 And so and then they have that architecture firm is their partner.
15:16:55 So. so if they want to make changes or modification it would be billed on an hourly rate, and that and I looked at the hourly rates, and there about 100 $1,820 per hour.
15:17:08 So So they they have a partner to help them through the process.
15:17:13 Thank you. And so the second plans are the shape architecture plans which has, as
15:17:25 Commissioner Allen identified. The base is the garage, and above that is the living unit. and this would be something that would be really good.
15:17:33 For areas of tight sites, and other areas in in the county.
15:17:39 That we do have a lot of substandard blocks, and then
15:17:47 Another unit, or design, is called the urban cottage, which is a modular, flexible design.
15:17:54 With what we call sip construction, which are structural.
15:18:00 What is that term? Phil and So and and they have 6 different designs that are possible through this process.
15:18:24 And we're showing the one bedroom units and the 2 bedroom units.
15:18:30 So 1Â min room unit is about 432 square feet and the 2 bedroom units.
15:18:36 Is about 576 square feet, and so they also have it available and gable and or butterfly route.
15:18:47 So for those all that are not able to see the visuals.
15:18:53 They are also available on the counties website. Then the last design that we looked at the out of the 10 was Yes, architecture, which is a multi split level design on a small
footprint.
15:19:08 I wanted to circle back to commissioner brother team's question and so
15:19:13 One of these plants are reviewed their review with a certain set of Icc.
15:19:19 Codes. and so these were all reviewed with the 2,018.
15:19:23 Icc. historically international. When I say Itc. i'm referring to the International Covid Council, which has about 15 different types of codes plumbing mechanical, electrical
residential building, So all of these
15:19:41 codes are are propagated once every 3 years and so frequently that that adoption we do by reference.
15:19:51 We're often not aware of it, because we adopted new coats by reference.
15:19:56 So typically July First of 2023, we would have a new code site.
15:20:03 And Jody, you want to share anything about that.
15:20:09 So yes, actually this. the State adopts the code upcoming code cycle.
15:20:13 Icc. publishes every 3 years. and then this Washington State typically adopts those code cycles the following July.
15:20:21 So the 2,021 cycle would have been adopted.
15:20:24 July of 2,022 with covid they adopted the 2,018 codes 2 plus years late.
15:20:32 And so we're kind of following that same schedule which means we expect that the 2021 codes will be adopted in July of 2,023.
15:20:43 So. Now, why this is important. is that It means that if we were to adopt these plans utilizing the 2021 code cycle, it would mean that community members would have less than
11 months to utilize that
15:21:05 as opposed to the whole 3 year cycle, and I want to make sure any questions on that.
15:21:11 Does everyone understand that I mean that's a that's a bit of a bombshell?
15:21:17 There. If If there are changes, they the plan would be invalidated right?
15:21:22 But if there weren't any changes from the 2,018 to the 2,021 pertaining to a particular design, they'd still be out right.
15:21:31 Yes, but there's usually energy code changes and that's usually one of the hardest areas for people to comply Gotcha.
15:21:42 And so so Jody had a really great idea that I I I only heard of this morning.
15:21:48 Why don't you share that tony build your or design your plans to be more restrictive?
15:21:56 So, even though we have not yet adopted the 2021 codes a person can design their building plans to the 21 to 2,021 code site, and submit those now to be used for a longer period
of
15:22:10 time we can, we can choose to be more restrictive on our plans.
15:22:13 We just can't be less restrictive so once the 2121 codes are adopted.
15:22:17 We can't go backwards and use the 2,018 codes, but we can always go forward.
15:22:27 So I mentioned that because these plants are all being used by the city of Seattle with the 2021.
15:22:33 And so the question is, Could we, impress upon the architects to make the changes necessary for them to accommodate the next code cycle?
15:22:44 And so those are some of the the areas that we would look at
15:22:50 And the reason we are saying that really comes to funds.
15:22:53 It costs resources to have these plans reviewed, and we would rely upon the board.
15:23:03 For those resources to review those plants. And so if, in fact, we can utilize the 2,021, Icc.
15:23:14 Codes, we would get 3 years, or the community would benefit from 3 years versus 11 months or so.
15:23:22 For which those plans could be used. Any questions on that?
15:23:28 Okay, I have a question from your staff report about the costs.
15:23:32 Are you guys gonna get into that zoom and that's the next slide.
15:23:39 So i'm gonna pass it to jody to talk about costs.
15:23:44 So the The cost of this stock plan adoption is
15:23:51 So currently we have our building code or building fees are based on the building codes that are adopted.
15:23:57 So they change with the code cycles we currently charge whatever the base fee is for our inspection costs based on typically square footage or estimated cost of the project.
15:24:08 So those are our actual staff time. to go out there and do the inspections, so that won't the I will say that will be based on the size of the structure.
15:24:18 So when it's a really small structure, 400 500 square feet, the building based V is actually relatively small, because there's not as many inspections to do.
15:24:27 Currently, we charge 65% of that base fee as our plan check fee.
15:24:31 That is the fee It would take fulfill or plans Examiner to review the building plans every time they come in through the front door with the stock plan.
15:24:40 Program. Those plans would already be reviewed so the program would be set up that when you've come in the first time, and you'd like to submit your plan set to be a stock.
15:24:51 Plan. So, instead of like the ones we were previously talking about, where we have some in-house that customers can use, they can bring their own in and say, I would like to
build this particular house, You know, 3 5 times in the community
15:25:03 so a developer could do that, they would submit that as a stock plan in our office with the building application, we would charge a 100% plan check fee instead of the 65% plan
check fee so that would establish them as
15:25:18 stock plans. It would pay for the extra time it took fill to go through the plans and make sure that they were able to be used.
15:25:25 Multiple times. Certain pages of the plan sets cannot be used repetitively.
15:25:31 So site-specific conditions might change, such as the foundation.
15:25:35 So once that stock plan was set, any subsequent submittals or future submittals would only be charged.
15:25:43 A 20% base fee instead of the standard, 65% base fee.
15:25:48 So they would have a cost savings on the future submittals for that particular plan set, and then that 20% would be used really to look at the changes that are different for
the New site. conditions, such as foundation potentially egress there are options to move the
15:26:04 floor plan around some, maybe the mechanical systems around. So there may be new energy code reviews.
15:26:09 So they would save plan check fees with each subsequent submit.
15:26:17 Sorry any questions about that portion of it. This is this is only if we open it up.
15:26:25 So someone brings in a plan, says I wanted to I.
15:26:28 This is gonna be a stock plan now. i'll play 100% versus 65%. And I can use it.
15:26:33 Can anyone then use it? Does that mean that I could come in up?
15:26:36 I that Guy had submitted a start plan i'd like to use their stock plan.
15:26:40 No, it would be customer specific So each customer would need to submit his own stock plans, and some of that does have to do with professional design copyrights.
15:26:52 And there's a whole approval process that needs to happen with that plan.
15:26:57 Set that specific to that customer. So if we had a say, it does design professional who wanted to submit theirs to be used by anybody?
15:27:05 That would be a different review process, and potentially a different fee.
15:27:10 Base although it would be it could be based similarly on the these fees as well.
15:27:14 I mean that's seems like a good incentive you know I mean anything, you know.
15:27:18 If it was we incentivize it, we could have a lot of stock plans right?
15:27:24 I I support this i'm not opposed to it.
15:27:26 I guess I just. I love the kind of idea of Creative Commons plans.
15:27:30 I think we would have to get approval from the architect or engineer who drew up the plans if they were willing to allow them to be used with all customers.
15:27:41 Then there wouldn't be a problem, with that right it it really originates with the the person or the entity that has the intellectual property right? and so they can go ahead
with those intellectual property rights and say
15:27:55 Yes, I want things available for the community. And this was this was a popular option where we called the a basics plan and kids up county.
15:28:07 And when I did plan review there, and this is a very popular option among developers that we're doing large housing traction that have 2 or 3 designs, they typically do right
and left of the same structure and potentially do
15:28:20 a couple 100 homes in the end of development we don't have that type of building here, but it does open up a an opportunity for that style of building.
15:28:29 Here. It wouldn't necessarily be in one development per se we're talking about, you know, growing these more across the county and individual wants was the thought process.
15:28:41 Currently, we would love to have local design professionals submit plans that we can use with all of the customers.
15:28:48 It's really that's sort of the housing solutions network piece component of this, where they're actually reaching out to the community and trying to get local architects engineers
designers to submit their plans to
15:28:58 use as stock plans in those situations we wouldn't charge all of the other building permit fees, because they weren't necessarily being submitted for a specific site.
15:29:08 It would really be the plan. check fees to establish them as a stock plan, and then the rest of the permit fees would be used at the time. An application was submitted to use
those plans, and I I want to point out that
15:29:20 There's one other component when I mentioned it intellectual property.
15:29:24 So, assuming that I were the architect, and I designed it, or the design professional
15:29:30 And I was commissioned to develop those plans for one specific client.
15:29:36 I believe that the client also has to approve
15:29:39 The use of those plans, so it's not only the person that has the intellectual property, but with the person who's paid for that right to to to retain that so so I I just wanted
to add that looks like
15:29:52 nuance, and I did wanna welcome. we do have a Commissioner Coker has joined us, and and he might be interested in sharing some of the highlights.
15:30:04 He sort of the plans A Commissioner Cochlear, would you like to do that?
15:30:07 I can back up. If you would like to talk about some of the things that you saw on the plants.
15:30:14 The scout plans right sure. Just a call. update the how we spoke with a couple of the designers architects to discuss how they actually manage their plans through the city of
Seattle and primarily it all
15:30:30 runs back through the architect or designer and the reason being is that then they're able to maintain the intellectual property right?
15:30:39 But also it generates some additional work for them. But what they did was they were allowing, for the sites specific engineering that needed to take place, you know, want slopes.
15:30:53 One is flat, and you got very different approaches to that foundation.
15:30:57 It can not only reduce the architecture fees, but the engineering fees, because then the architect can, with the client, go back to the original engineer, who has most of the
engineering calculations prepared already.
15:31:10 They're able to reduce the engineering fees, from what might be a 6 or $7,000 fee to a $1,000 fee just for review, and a few detailed changes.
15:31:19 So that was an additional benefit. I will say that unless a client specifically says they want to maintain ownership of the design.
15:31:31 Typically all of that. intellectual property belongs to the designer.
15:31:35 So it is only on in my case in 25 years, only on 2 occasions, as a client said, Hey, I don't want you to repeat my design.
15:31:42 So it is often very easy to get once you've got a designer who's interested in an architect.
15:31:50 A can be brought to the table. and they are very different animals.
15:31:55 Phil was mentioning how developers building hundreds of houses or in Seattle, where they're only building the 800 square feet for us.
15:32:01 It's that anything under 1250 and there are many designers in our area that have already designed to local Jefferson County code.
15:32:12 Seattle was saying that for them to bring one of their designs to Jefferson County would have to go through another level of scrutiny for themselves. To be sure, that it complied
with all Egyptian counties regulations.
15:32:23 That may be different in certain aspects to seattle so with. They've got several very good projects.
15:32:34 The modular was very good, and One specific item that we were also looking at was making as many of these accessory dwelling, or in the case of the initial construction.
15:32:48 It's considered the primary residence but all of them universally accessible.
15:32:51 We know that in our community that's a very common requirement for most people who want to be able to agent place.
15:33:01 So when we go through the vetting process and the call for designs we can, you know, push the various elements that we want, which is anything under 150 square feet, you know
as much of it universally designed as possible.
15:33:19 And other aspects that can help to reduce costs overall, one of which, being providing most of the mechanicals in one or 2 walls within the structure helps to eliminate mechanical
runs, whether it's plumbing
15:33:34 or venting to both sides of the house and and other things.
15:33:39 So it overall the process. looks like if we provide the designers information that this is a particular design that's been through the county already.
15:33:53 It can become a stock plan, and in most cases it just takes a a site plan, the foundation plan, and perhaps you know a few other elements within it that a client may want to
change
15:34:05 We can make it a fairly seamless process. At that moment
15:34:13 So at this juncture. we do have a a room for questions and about our approach.
15:34:21 I did want to point out that it doesn't seem as though the Cloud Account county plants is an option.
15:34:28 I I think I highlighted on July eleventh.
15:34:32 The concern I had about the DCD director leaving and on us not being able to use the plans after she left, I did not anticipate that she would leave before that day.
15:34:46 Thanks it easier. I have a kind of an out of the box question.
15:34:52 I think one of the most common type of tiny houses that is being built in Jefferson County right now is outside of Dcds per view, and that is, you know, if you build it on wheels
of course, it's
15:35:05 I right? That would permit it and they really only permit, I think, kind of manufacturers and part models and everything.
15:35:16 But i'm wondering if there's an opportunity for a stock plan for a you know.
15:35:23 Tiny house on wheels, a park model essentially that is l and I approve.
15:35:28 So maybe There's a stock plan, submitted through dCD that goes to Leni's process that when you guys get one of the I'm sure daily calls, hey?
15:35:36 I wanna permit my tiny house on wheels Maybe there's a path to that through hey?
15:35:42 If you build this one, it's you can get an ly stamp.
15:35:48 I love that idea. I mean, actually, that was one of the things I think.
15:35:52 Commissioner Coca identified in one of the submitals that our staff should check with the city of Seattle to see how they are addressing that aspect, because one of the planets,
or or had some
15:36:08 reference to that and in the past. What I found is that if ever and I approve it, look building departments are not even involved in the process other than when you get into
environmental health and other issues.
15:36:20 But as far as the structures concerned, it's fully license, and you can drive it onto the property once it's constructed.
15:36:28 And yes, those plans once approved are good for a cycle through L.
15:36:33 And I similar to what we're proposing through dCD and also if you can't get them approved by Alan, I there's no way to permit right I mean you can't dCD can't
15:36:42 permit something on wheels is my understanding correct it's not a structure right?
15:36:49 The the only time i've seen that change is often we have mobile homes that move into the flood zone.
15:36:56 And so there is a a way to attach it to the land that removes the
15:37:03 The the ven or the the numbers that L.
15:37:08 And I add, So I have seen that for certain processes
15:37:22 And my one other question is the 21 I, Irc or Icc includes a section on tiny homes.
15:37:29 Right so and and it has since 2,012. Oh, it has since 2,012, there was new new, tiny house rules coming out that haven't been enacted yet.
15:37:42 So the state or so. You kind of have 2 different things going on here, too.
15:37:45 So you have the 2,018 code cycle, or any code cycle for the Icc.
15:37:50 Which in this trick location talked about Irc international residential code that also gets amended by the State.
15:37:56 So the State also has certain things that they tweak volumes per say, call space volumes attic volumes.
15:38:06 Things like that that they tweak for our local environment for Washington state
15:38:11 And then that can be further be clarified, you know, by county.
15:38:14 If we decide to go more stringent than that.
15:38:17 Now that being said, the Washington State amendments just recently did quite a bit with the appendix queue.
15:38:27 So Irc has recognized it for a while now at least, the last 3 code cycles.
15:38:33 But the State adopted certain portions of tweaks. certain things in the appendix queue for timing homes which are eligible for anything under 400 square.
15:38:42 Foot. that's a threshold, for a tiny home is 400 square feet, and not including loft area. so like the standards, are lower for some of those right so what it does the standards
are necessarily lower what it does do
15:38:56 is, it does certain things like, say you know you have a tiny home and a standard staircase in a standard home is going to be 36 inches wide. Well, you simply can't do that
in a tiny home that's half the time you
15:39:06 know, so you know You're allowed to reduce certain things reduce certain head heights in order to get along.
15:39:12 You know you're lost you don't have to you can't have you don't have to stand up in your law.
15:39:17 There's certain things. and there's certain emergency apps address requirements. you know is sleeping off and things like that, and that's some of the things that this state
has tackled at that level.
15:39:28 Do They found things that likes done things they didn't like fire code, wise things like that.
15:39:33 But yeah, the the Appendix queue is here to stay. it's been here for a little while the State recently, especially on the last code cycle and the 28 team code is called the
current one really kind
15:39:44 of, spoke up and decided that there were certain things they wanted to see? and and you know It's when the tiny homes came out is kind of a took a little bit of community involvement
in order to find out exactly where the weak spots were and so that's
15:39:57 kind of what this last code cycle is kind of clarified, as far as tiny homes are concerned.
15:40:04 And I I should point out. So those tiny homes are site built on a foundation everything else, you know.
15:40:12 Wind loads snow load seismic zone everything is included.
15:40:16 So things that aren't included in a either a tiny home on wheels which can either be an rv like a park model, or they can also be built to the head standards So they can be
approved basically as a small
15:40:27 manufactured home. So there's kind of 3 different ways to go in at the tiny home 2 different that's how they're going to be through the ancest standard a Hud standard or the
regular Irc thank
15:40:41 you good question. Do we know of other of real jurisdictions, I mean, I guess we could look right next to our column county. But are there others where we get a sense of the
uptake of availability of
15:40:56 suck fence like this. Yes, and I did speak with Mary Allen went going before she had left, and she said that they had anticipated the use of the plans for accessory dwelling
units.
15:41:15 And at the time that I spoke with her she said that no one had used it for that purpose.
15:41:19 They were all being used for primary basic use, not accessories.
15:41:25 I recall she had said that there were only 4 then applied for that, and if I recall correctly one of the reasons she thought there was so little was that it wasn't large enough
to meet some of the communities
15:41:40 Yeah, I spoke with the building official earlier today at Columb County, and she said that she thought this.
15:41:47 If it were slightly larger, or if they had the option to modify it more than what was already existing, that it may have been used more, but at the present size it hadn't been
used very frequently and that that particular, design
15:42:01 look like it was gonna be a little bit difficult to try to expand on the future.
15:42:06 That's one of the nice things about some of the options that we have here that looks like they're flexible, and that you have the ability to to modify and expand them down the
road that 392
15:42:17 square foot. One that cloud I had was There was really only one way that you could expand it.
15:42:21 That was out through a during the existing doorway is what it looked like to me.
15:42:25 You could do a lot more evolve but it wasn't gonna be easy to add on to.
15:42:28 I should interesting, too, to see us especially if we're working with housing solutions network.
15:42:37 If we could maybe get some Some financing pathways created 2 for these through local financial institutions.
15:42:45 I could see that that could be a a barrier for some of for rural folks.
15:42:51 And I obviously know who I could ask this question of but because my husband runs that department in Seattle.
15:43:00 But just curious. the has the uptake been in in Seattle has been widely used there.
15:43:06 Do you know that I can't answer yet. because the way It's been arranged is that the you would go to the architect, so i'm not getting an overview of all of the plans and
15:43:20 so in my last conversation, which is about a year ago, a little over a year ago.
15:43:26 14 months they had indicated that the plans that were used the most.
15:43:33 We're the ones where the architect was a promoter sharing and the reason I reached out to them was we were trying to get the point promoted.
15:43:43 The most that had accessible features. this in my prior world.
15:43:48 For all I was advancing Hfly Seattle to make Seattle not only a great place to grow up, but also to grow old.
15:43:57 So so, so I had It is that that was one of my missions at that point.
15:44:00 So so I I would be great if we could reach out to
15:44:05 Your husband. if if that is okay to find out more information, Sure.
15:44:11 Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say, I spoke with them last fall. The city of Renton also has a similar program as well as Olympia and Lacy.
15:44:22 And of course cities are slightly different. it's much easier to connect to sewer and water than it is here. But they had indicated they have a lot lower response than they
expected to have with their plans renton even actually does all the
15:44:35 site work design for you. So the the Community Development Office designs your site plan and tells you the location on your property.
15:44:42 It would be best suited, so they even do a little bit more and they hadn't.
15:44:46 I will say these programs are generally new. Most of them have only been out for a year or 2, and so there is a lot of data that the cities have.
15:44:54 But overall it seems like they're maybe being utilized a little bit less than expected.
15:45:00 But still being utilized, and I would also highlight that I was really excited; that as especially for our port headlock Uga area, the missing middle type of plan that the Port
city of Los Angeles is creating might
15:45:16 have real opportunities for use, and our new ga.
15:45:23 So of these 4 approaches that you just outlined, is there one that you guys are?
15:45:30 I mean I see a number of questions under the housing solutions network approach. I'm just wondering if there's one that you're more excited about.
15:45:41 Not house plans, but programmatic approaches that you guys are are hearing about.
15:45:47 And then I see that you're wanting us to provide guidance on
15:45:58 Oh, kind of which plan that which which approach to take and then you need the funding to review the plans. that's correct.
15:46:09 And so our recommendation would be to allow there to be 3 or 4 plans sets.
15:46:15 The recommendation of the of the subcommittee was to allow all 4 to be available to the community.
15:46:24 The city of Seattle lapse is the course that you're suggesting Oh, really, colin counties off the table. we haven't had anyone submit them locally yet.
15:46:31 So you're talking about the 4 plants from Seattle that the planning Commission committee is recommend that that's the only one that we have available right now.
15:46:40 Correct. Okay, One of the things would I be asking for the review fees?
15:46:49 For those plans in in addition. we would.
15:46:54 We need some latitude, because I feel that it would really benefit us to try to get them to comply with the 2,021.
15:47:03 Icc codes and so that they would be available for the community for 3 plus years.
15:47:10 Do you have a sense of how much the re the review fees would be for those that plan, those set of plans.
15:47:18 So I can say, for our In-house Review I would estimate approximately 3,000 on the high end.
15:47:25 Further each of the reviews. I don't know if there'll be an additional cost for purchasing them, or utilizing them from the architecture firms.
15:47:33 Okay, yes. so I would say, just based upon if we use the metric of to be safe.
15:47:41 5,000 for review. and then another 3,000 to buy the plans.
15:47:50 That would be 8,000 and then 8 times 4 would be, roughly 30,000 or 2024 be exact, where you said 8 times 4, 32,000
15:48:05 And so What I would recommend is that the board?
15:48:09 We can come back with a specific request after we've gotten firmer numbers, or you can give the county administrator authority up until a certain limit.
15:48:26 And i'm curious Matt hasn't said well single peep.
15:48:29 I want to hear hi Hello, everybody i'm i'm here, and i'm on the subcommittee, and and I really support everyone impressive.
15:48:39 How the other members of the Subcommittee Aren't just experienced with on the trade of building or design, but also
15:48:47 Both Kevin and Arlene have experience with small spaces in their They're choices in terms of livingability are really guided by experience and and compassion and and knowledge.
15:49:02 And so I just really support all the decisions They made and I support everything that Brents doing.
15:49:07 It's just pretty much. Why, i'm here and don't really have too much to add I do think it's really good to have a diverse suite of options.
15:49:17 If I was gonna add one thing, it would be that the overall general intention is that this is just a beginning.
15:49:24 It's just an initial phases of starting something new, and and it's something that I think all of us would like to see grow.
15:49:32 Thank you. Thanks, Matt. Great Greg. I saw your hand go up first, and then Kate.
15:49:41 Sure. i'm i'm very supportive of these 4 Seattle plans.
15:49:45 I think it would be worthwhile. I do think the uptake of this kind of program is going to be kind of directly in relation to how cheap they are, you know.
15:49:56 I mean, I think a lot of people that are building a house wanted to spoke House, you know.
15:50:01 I want my house, which I window and just the right place so it's the the customer base is different one that i'll just one more out of the box idea I would love to have a stock
plan for a year because I know a lot of
15:50:14 people live in yards in Jefferson County, too, which is unbelievable.
15:50:17 But if we did the plan review, and engineering to find out which Europe is gonna have the hurricane kydowns, and to be engineering, too, find the equivalency of the reflective
insulation to the our values.
15:50:29 So we could say you want a year here's a year that would be, I think, the kind of plan that a lot of people would take, you know, and the same with the you know if we could
come up with a plan that gets approved
15:50:41 by L. and I for a wheeled tiny house. I think the uptake would be great.
15:50:45 I think you would have 4 people manufacturing those within a week in Jefferson County if we come up with a plan.
15:50:53 So I think. you know arlene made a good point about you know garages with a a studio over the top.
15:50:59 That's that that seems like right on the flexibility of these others look good.
15:51:04 So i'm excited about it I know it's a slow uphill.
15:51:08 Process. but I I like Matt. I think this is just the first step. Hmm!
15:51:13 Hmm. hey? your hand was up yeah i'm i'm just curious.
15:51:21 If we have done any any kind of polling formally or informally, to understand what the the need is to therefore help point to what the solution is.
15:51:37 And yeah, just just curious, do we? do we have a sense of of what our our constituents are interested in, and what the barriers are.
15:51:50 And I just I i'm a little concerned with the lack of uptake and other jurisdictions.
15:51:54 That you know, unless we can kind of hone in on what it is that people would be most helpful to folks.
15:52:01 I have a feeling it is also financially driven
15:52:06 And so you know, if that's the the biggest barrier then we wanna go out of direction.
15:52:11 That's most affordable so
15:52:17 And I know you all have a lot of anecdotal experience.
15:52:20 So so it's not a discount. that Yes, I I I see Kevin for very different.
15:52:35 You know, Urban setting than what we're talking about in Jefferson County.
15:52:39 There are, you know, for instance, my views that over the past few years I've created.
15:52:44 Were 2 bedroom, 2 2 car garages, which is more of a single family residence in scope.
15:52:52 I think that it would be good for us to ask locally of designers in architects.
15:52:56 Recent adus, you know, if it would be acceptable to review them for this process as well, because
15:53:05 Many of the things that the designers are throwing in.
15:53:08 There are universal access. so getting one can get in and become comfortable energy, efficiency, durability, and materials.
15:53:16 All of those things are 0 again on designs that have been done for Jefferson County, which would be a a quicker step towards understanding what it is that the public wants.
15:53:28 I think it's a very good comment that although these are fairly new in the various jurisdictions across the State, and with covid and supply chain issues, it's hard to really
get a grasp of how
15:53:40 valuable this tool is, but it could be based on Jefferson County designs and
15:53:50 The process is getting a little bit quicker, cleaner with supply and materials that this could over the course of our going through this process of finding them and and evaluating
them, and then, having them as stock plans could
15:54:05 coincide nicely with the rest of the construction industry, getting geared up and and doing their part to try and get these units out there.
15:54:16 Arlene. Thank you. I think one of those programs are new and the other is when you look at where they're being implemented, and how that the Seattle has a really good website
and user interface.
15:54:33 That's right easy to understand where most of the jurisdictions have fallen down is in the marketing aspect of it, and the education aspect with the public. and I think that
that's something that you really have to plan
15:54:46 for, and budget for it, and think ahead about is making sure people know it and understand it, and want to get engaged.
15:54:55 And that's not difficult to do. but you have to plan for that from the beginning.
15:55:04 That was that fed into the question. I was gonna ask
15:55:07 It seems like it would be useful to have some scenarios like if we, if we adopt for sets of stock plans, and then said, because building prices have gone up so much in the last
couple of years, having different cost
15:55:22 scenarios right? If you build this with the low you know the most basic materials, it's gonna cost x amount of dollars maximum of 2022 or 20 to However, many years it takes
us to do this just
15:55:37 So people have a sense of you know, what really so they can really think about what's affordable for them, and that would help with marketing the program.
15:55:47 It seems like Matt, One thought is that we have a new Federal law as of this week.
15:55:55 And there might be a lot of incentives in there which might apply to you know.
15:55:58 It might be worth looking a couple of months from now, just file away the notion that we might want to look at what types of incentives are available. and and if we want to
include options like, Add-ons like for solar power
15:56:12 for a charging station, or something like yeah that's great and just the comments that kevin made, I think really would be good when we work with housing solutions network to
sort of
15:56:33 that's where we're we're looking at local plans I wanted to also identify what arlene said that Commissioner Allen indicated that marketing, was really critical.
15:56:48 And that was exactly what I found in Seattle that the architect who marketed their plans were the plans that were selling.
15:56:55 And so this really sort of harkens back to that
15:57:01 And so I almost feel that some of the update of the plans is really going to be dependent upon how much information you provide to the community about them being available
15:57:14 Yep, Kate, I wonder if we could? cfhsn would be willing, or or maybe a a chamber cafe, or lean, or something where we have a conversation with folks like you know.
15:57:31 I mean, we know housing is a economic development issue, or one of our largest barriers right now.
15:57:38 But you know, saying you know how do you is interested in in potentially making it easier to build an ad you.
15:57:46 If you've ever been interested in building an edu are you considering it, we'd love some feedback on how to make this a more possible.
15:57:54 Doable, you know they could have questions answered. We could seek some input from folks about what their perceived barriers are.
15:58:01 Just just an idea to to. I would love to get a little more feedback from our community on what kind of what they would be looking for.
15:58:13 What would be helpful. I mean i'm i'm a homeowner that would fall into that in the city.
15:58:18 It's a little more complicated. there, I I think it's. I mean it's not complicated just outside of the purview of the county.
15:58:25 I I would love to get a little more information from the community on what would be useful.
15:58:30 And but you know, most helpful to move forward. I wonder if we could do a raise of hands or something at the Icg meeting, or some kind of like install in the tent under the
tent, anyway?
15:58:46 Brent. I think I saw your hand go up next.
15:58:49 Yes, I I just wanted to to highlight that who's gonna we're meeting with hsn in the morning tomorrow.
15:58:57 And one of the things that Oh, I can reach out to them for their ideas as to how we could one, and I just wanna make sure that i'm understanding correctly that the utility of
the plans either for
15:59:14 accessory or for primary use and so I I I know that there are a lot of people that are own land that don't have the wherewithal to build on the land that they own.
15:59:28 And so this would be a vehicle to help those do it.
15:59:33 We will also reach out and I could I won't have time for tomorrow.
15:59:37 But at a later date to reach out to the 4 architects for them to get an updated costs schedule if they have that available, so that that could be included in any of the outreach
that's that's
15:59:53 conducted, because I think that if you have the plans and the cost and we have a partner that could help us like Hsn we might be able to answer the questions that i've heard
today
16:00:08 Any more questions or comments we do have a public comment period on this workshop. so I wanna make sure we do that before we any more questions for the experts in the room.
Gregor.
16:00:25 Kate don't feel like an expert. but I do think We we do need to think about how we miss this conversation with the short term rentals conversation, too.
16:00:36 You know we know that in many communities 80 use. So then you know, are often short term rentals.
16:00:47 And you know that that has a role in our economy, too.
16:00:49 Perhaps but it, just you have to be kind of promoting that at the same time that we're talking about regulating short term rentals to be good to be mindful of how we communicate
those those 2
16:01:02 pieces of work. I know that lion is funded some adus for long term rentals, and i'm wondering if we can't find some incentive to to encourage you know whether it be connecting
to financing
16:01:16 or you know fee reduction if you're I don't know you put it into a rental for 10 years, or what have you but there's other policy decisions that we might be able to control
a little bit
16:01:29 to to address the problem that we are all concerned about and not have.
16:01:35 Yeah, you know to add that mark sent me an invitation to attend.
16:01:45 Round table among a City Assistant City Managers and and DCD.
16:01:53 Directors on the North Olympic Peninsula focused on short term housing and one of the areas of discussion was specific to what you just indicated that a lot of the short term
housing is
16:02:12 being rented to meet the mortgage needs of those that are are building it.
16:02:19 And so there might be a nexus. This was one of the concerns identified.
16:02:24 Is that the housing prices have escalated to such an extent that it's almost beyond the workforce to build our own, and that this might be a venue a avenue there Well, that
that
16:02:43 gets a wise Shalan County created a tiered structure in their short term rental ordinance, where tier one or landowners who rent out a portion of the home that they live in
and that helps.
16:02:54 Them cover their costs, and tier 3 are people who buy houses and don't live in the county and just do it speculatively.
16:03:02 So I think there are good innovations that other counties in Washington have used to get around issues like that.
16:03:11 In developing their policy around short term rentals. Kevin.
16:03:15 I see your hand up. I only wanted to throw one other caveat in there, and we discussed it for a brief period in our So committee, and that's the idea of boarding houses as another
avenue it might be
16:03:30 that we create a boarding house typology that helps with agricultural farms, having workers, but also for rentals and for other such things.
16:03:41 So that's another typology that we yeah or at least aware of that.
16:03:46 We're concentrating on with This as Well, you mean by that, like a 6 bedroom house stock plan that could be used as a boarding house, eventually 6, 8, 10. again.
16:03:55 We'd be able to draw the line the city draws it at 7
16:04:02 Currently draws it at 6. Right? you can have 6 non-related, 6, one, and then one related.
16:04:07 Yes.
16:04:14 Okay, Any other questions or comments for the planning team in the room.
16:04:22 Any other questions or comments from from the planning team in the room.
16:04:26 Phil Brent Matt Kevin arlene I think I mean i'm I heard it said a couple of times. we're supportive of of moving forward with your proposed solution, but it sounds like there's
desire to have
16:04:43 I see that carolyn it sounds like there's desire to have more more conversation, or input as to figure out what's what's actually needed in the community, either by a poll or
you know maybe every where we
16:05:01 go Flyer and the leader, or something. I mean, we could do any number of outreach strategies.
16:05:08 But I am going to make a call for public comments Now, if there's anybody who's with us this afternoon on the attendee list who would like to ask the question or make a comment
around stop plans or this housing conversation
16:05:26 we've been having. please raise your hand using the raise hand button at the bottom of your zoom screen
16:05:34 Our public attendees today have been quiet i'm not saying any hands go up
16:05:46 So no public comments on this item. There goes a hand.
16:05:55 Carolyn wanna bring Gene Ball over i'm bringing her over
16:06:08 Afternoon, Jane, you're gonna need to unmute good afternoon.
16:06:13 Can you hear me? We can, hey? When you take this broadband issue I could maybe make more comments.
16:06:21 Maybe you don't want to fix it because of that the Yeah, I think that housing is you know everybody knows it's a crisis, and density should be something we focus on.
16:06:34 We know that the impacts are better when we foster dense housing situations to allow people to have adus or convert their garages or live in low impact housing such as yurts
or tiny homes I
16:06:53 think is a terrific avenue for the county and for the citizens.
16:06:58 We start talking about restricting short term rentals.
16:07:03 This is a county which benefits greatly, and has a tremendous amount to give to short term visitors, so I would like to be careful about that.
16:07:14 And when we're talking about a homeowner being able to make their mortgage payments by use of short term rentals or long term rentals, whatever the case may be I think we have
to be very careful about that as
16:07:28 well, so thank you for your deliberations. Commissioners have a lovely afternoon.
16:07:34 Thank you, Jean, Anybody want to respond to jan's comments
16:07:47 I think we've talked about them appreciate the comments as always. Yeah, Yeah, just to reminder, we're really limited in the amount of density we can have outside of urban growth.
16:07:57 Areas. And so that's one of the challenges of of Dma that and one of the reasons why the for headlocks are is so important so that we do have a area where we can drive density
we
16:08:10 are, I believe, we're still the only county in the state that allows for an ad you in every residential zone type as an affirmative.
16:08:21 Right. Yeah. Well, thanks for joining us this afternoon. we will move on.
16:08:30 We do have a hanging, Chad from this morning.
16:08:34 A jen item for the mark head for us so we'll let our planning friends go and sierra around the water coolers any chance we could do a quick break Heidi.
16:08:50 Sure. How about cell? 4, 15? Yeah. I could make do with this yeah This item Won't take that long.
16:16:34 Yeah, I like apple time
16:16:49 Okay, it's 4 15 so I'll call us back to order. Here comes A.
16:16:54 B. You can see I got out on my kabuki.
16:16:59 Yeah. 4, 15, calling us back to order, Welcome back!
16:17:06 So we have one one agenda item left for today, and that is Mark's update on the Washington county's.
16:17:14 Rick Risk Pool Okay, thank you Commissioners i'm gonna share my screen. Mr.
16:17:23 Hunzucker and I attended the summer risk.
16:17:27 Pool. conference in vancouver a couple of weeks ago, and it's become a habit that the roof Pools got bad news for us every year on the insurance premium front and
16:17:42 so Here's a here's a chart that summarizes almost all the information. I did this while I was in Maple Valley on vacation, so I it's not my best work because I left out a line
on
16:17:53 terrorism. You see here that I I said I had no data, but you'll see the last one of the last charts does have terrorism information on it.
16:18:02 But you know, in in the Budget Guide this is the board approved on August First we reduced the increase in non personnel budgets to 1 point.
16:18:13 5%, and we are holding transfers to other funds out of the general fund to 0%.
16:18:18 And then you see numbers like this liability and these these are not exact.
16:18:25 These are very accurate estimates the risk pool is in the process of getting quotes from providers and so we'll know the exact numbers when we get invoice I think in october
but based on the on the pretty accurate
16:18:41 estimates we see a 40% increase in liability which is about a $222,000 increase for the county.
16:18:51 This is in general fun. None of these are general fund. and These are the total amounts for the coverage, and then we'll pay all of these out of non departmental, and then the
auditors subsequently distributes them according to the
16:19:06 formula that they use for distributing the premiums to Public Health, DCD.
16:19:14 Public works, and so on. but but you can see a $260,000 increase, probably a 170 of that 160 of that will end up being borne by the general fund.
16:19:30 So another bad year for insurance premiums.
16:19:33 So now I gotta rotate this screen and then go through these slides quickly.
16:19:44 Yeah, So a number of reasons for liability the verdicts by by juries.
16:19:52 And and you know, during trials for various transgressions committed by counties have increased substantially, and you can see that the slope of the line and between 17 and
18, the increase was dramatic.
16:20:08 And so we're we're seeing aggressive attorneys.
16:20:14 We're we're seeing nuclear verdicts very sympathetic juries punitive damages, and all of that.
16:20:22 And in addition to that you have insurance providers that are declining to provide insurance.
16:20:31 So there are fewer providers, and whenever you have fewer providers they can command higher prices, because you you have a fewer choices, and who you can ensure with
16:20:45 And so this is a a chart that shows various types of allegations.
16:20:55 And and you know, these are policy years. But then, when when the clay, the the the the claims, were incurred, and down here you can see that 28 claims over a 1 million compared
to 20 and Then 10 claims
16:21:12 over 2 million versus 7, and then total incurred 84,000 against 65, or 83 million versus 65 million.
16:21:25 And so the trends are unfavorable across the board.
16:21:30 And so this is a chart that shows the the risk Pools effort and trying to obtain quotes.
16:21:36 You can see here declined, declined and then quotes that are are so high they can't compete, and so I will say, though, that the risk will does a fine job in sorting all this
out and getting the best
16:21:53 deal poly possible for its member counties property.
16:22:02 You can see the risks are are increasing, and a lot of this is due to climate change and more severe events.
16:22:08 You know things are are drying out. We have a greater wildfire risk.
16:22:15 And then violent storms, floods, and other things, and then
16:22:20 Everyone. Every month we talk about Re, and we talk about
16:22:23 The cost of housing. Well, it's not just residential housing. that's more expensive.
16:22:29 It's also commercial properties, and and so the value of the properties have increased, and the cost of repairs and replacement have increased as well.
16:22:42 And we know that because we hear from Monty riders about the cost of building the steward, and we hear that from the pud. the cost of fiber and conduit just keeps going through
the roof.
16:22:54 And so that those are the cost pressures driving up the cost of property insurance.
16:22:59 And then last year we reported that previously there were 10 providers for cyber liability.
16:23:07 I think now, they're we're down to 2 and cyber breaches are becoming more common, and they're becoming more expensive.
16:23:20 And so those are some of the cost drivers on on cyber driving up the cost of insurance for that and they don't.
16:23:29 They don't have quotes yet. but based on what they're hearing I think in the chart it was, I think, a 17% increase for cyber and then on the First chart.
16:23:45 I said, we didn't have data for terrorism but I was wrong here.
16:23:48 It is right here. So for for property damage that was caused by terrorism. that's a 12 and a half percent increase.
16:24:04 And then liability caused by terrorism that's a 9% increase.
16:24:07 And so these costs are increasing much more rapidly than the rate of inflation, and much more rapidly than our budget.
16:24:16 At the county. Another reason for the increased cost of insurance is that the risk Pool has has continued to raise their self-insured retention, and and that's a protective
measure for the risk pool because once we go above our
16:24:33 deductible of 25,000 and other counties go above their deductibles of 250 or half a 1 million.
16:24:41 The wristful covers a layer before they they go to their reinsurance and the excess layers, and so they're they're trying to build their self and sure retention.
16:24:51 And you can see it went to 1 million and it's gonna continue, and they're now looking at a 3 million self-insured retention.
16:24:59 And so, in order for them to cover those at that level they've got to build their reserves, and so in the red.
16:25:08 You see the statutory minimum that's to avoid violating State law, and then you have layers above that, and so they would really like to be in the green.
16:25:17 But as long as they get close to that then they're reasonably comfortable with the risk, they're assuming with that selfature retention, and so we can expect in 2023 and beyond
to see additional very large
16:25:33 increases in our insurance premiums for pretty much every coverage we have with the pool.
16:25:39 So what can I ask? Can I add one thing here? Yes, sir.
16:25:42 So when you look at the sars that's driven a lot by what the carriers will bit they they like it really like to be above a certain level.
16:25:54 Well when they when they when they come in, they they think that you know.
16:25:58 If you have risk, then you're gonna do more in terms of risk management to make it so.
16:26:05 Claims don't get above the sire and so that's Why, in a large part, you're seeing an increase in the sire, it's driven by you know who will bid on the program at a certain level,
of
16:26:17 sire, and that chart that mark, should you?
16:26:24 Earlier people were carriers refused to quote we couldn't get anybody to quote on any 2 million s hir this year was, only they'd only quote on a 3 million sire.
16:26:36 Yeah, it's it's all about the transferring risk and a good point, Philip.
16:26:42 The more risk the riskful ticks on itself the more likely it is that they'll have people bit on the on the on the insurance policies.
16:26:53 It. It looks like we need to plan on it going up and again in in the future, too, Right?
16:26:57 Yes, I fully expect rate increases. maybe maybe not 40% for liability.
16:27:03 But certainly double digits as far as the I can see, and it looks like the trend is going toward a 5 million, sire.
16:27:13 So So the the Risk Pool have to build that you know.
16:27:18 Build their build up their fund, be able to deal with possibly higher claims. Yeah.
16:27:34 And one thing one thing the county needs to do is we need to look at our 25,000 deductible with the county cause.
16:27:37 The lower, the deductible. we have the the higher the premium, and and so we need to evaluate our past experience and probability of of claims going forward, and what kind of
reduction in our premiums we
16:27:46 could achieve by racing our deductible. to 50, 75 or a 100,000. and so that's That's something that the before the next policy, you know, 2023 we need to have a study like
16:28:02 that completed, so that we can adjust our our our deductible and and try to thread that needle.
16:28:11 So that's a quick update on risk Premiums will probably need a supplemental appropriation. third quarter to cover the the additional cost.
16:28:22 Thanks for the update mark that's not fun news no, nobody had to hear it.
16:28:30 I know that Kate has somewhere to go right at 4 30.