HomeMy WebLinkAboutclosed_caption09:01:22 Okay, ,
09:01:48 Here it comes, Mark. Okay, It looks like we are streaming now.
09:02:04 Good morning, everybody. I will call this September twelfth meeting of the Jefferson County Board of Commissioners to order
09:02:14 Hope everyone had a great weekend, smoky weekend, nonetheless, great hopefully.
09:02:22 Anyone have anything that they wanna address at the beginning of the meeting here?
09:02:28 I could just say what a what a nice weekend it was in in town in Port Townsend.
09:02:36 The wooden boat festival seems to have gone off really well, and it was just Town felt very alive and very friendly, and people just seem really happy to have some normalcy
and joy even with the poor air quality.
09:02:50 So I think we were all willing to risk a little bit of air quality to to be with with friends and community and good job to the maritime Center and
09:03:03 I everybody's probably as tired as I am in town today.
09:03:06 It was great lovely weekend, for sure. Had a nice moment yesterday morning at the base of the courthouse.
09:03:17 Recognition of September eleventh, with our uniformed
09:03:22 East Jefferson fire and rescue and our Sheriff's office.
09:03:27 So Mark and I attended that Mark and I intend to attended that.
09:03:36 And Smiley came as well in remembrance of serious.
09:03:37 The dog who died in the bomb singing dog that died in the tower.
09:03:42 So everybody, everybody flock Tower illuminated with red, white, and blue.
09:03:47 Oh, really starting Friday, I think, and through the weekend I was sorry to miss that.
09:03:55 I had tickets to see Hamilton, which I saw yesterday, which felt like also a patriotic thing to do.
09:04:01 But i'm really sorry to miss that and grateful to the folks who put that together.
09:04:04 Yeah, Is there anything? Should we just move on to consent? Oh, public comment, right.
09:04:17 How could I? How could I forget Melbourne comment, as we do Every Monday morning we start our day with public comments.
09:04:26 And I would invite anybody who's joined us on zoom this morning to raise their hand using the raise hand button at the bottom of their zoom screen, and then we'll bring you
over or if you're in the room and would like to
09:04:39 make a public comment. we'd love to hear from you as well, so I don't see anyone raising their hand on zoom yet.
09:04:49 Oh, Tom, tears, good morning, mister, We'll bring Mr.
09:04:52 Tears over first, and then call Patricia up
09:05:01 I am having a hard time with all the screens this morning.
09:05:12 Good morning, Tom. Good morning, Commissioners at all. quick comment on Item Number 6 on your consent.
09:05:22 Agenda which is paying $5,000 a year.
09:05:27 Oh, now proposed to do that to bring the Jefferson County Public Health website up to speed.
09:05:35 With respect to Ada. compliance. This brings to mind the fact that many years ago it was the intent of the county to useify all of its websites, and instead, they seem to actually
be proliferating You know
09:05:50 public health got its website, the County's got its own main website sheriff's got a web site solid waste. got a website, Yadda Yada.
09:05:58 It's that's horribly inefficient and it doesn't allow for an awful lot of cross training on on these sites, because yeah, they mostly use civic plots.
09:06:11 But still they all have a different looking feel and so as I said, it's It's not particularly efficient.
09:06:18 So the fact that now $5,000 to get ada compliance on just one of those many sites that's an issue.
09:06:26 They should all be Ada compliant, equally so.
09:06:30 And the easiest way to do that is to combine these sites and make them all one platform.
09:06:37 With very rare exceptions, I think the only serious deception that I can think of is the scheduling that the recreation folks use, you know, to schedule use of the campsites
and the parks and so forth other than
09:06:49 that. Why do we need so many sites this should have been done years ago? And I really think it should be done sooner rather than later, because it's just gonna cost more money
and you know at $5,000 per site that's
09:07:01 just unaffordable. I realize that this is just for the first site.
09:07:05 Yeah, but let let's let's not let it proliferate.
09:07:09 So, you know. Please do something about it. I know you you wanna approve this for consent, and i'm sure you will.
09:07:15 But there's bigger picture. Thanks, thank you Mr. Jars we appreciate your comment.
09:07:21 Is there anyone else with us on Zoom who would like to make a comment this morning?
09:07:31 Not see any hands go up. Any hands going up in the room with us this morning.
09:07:36 Good good morning, Patricia. You can Come on up and you'll have 3Â min for comment.
09:07:45 Thanks for coming in person. It's nice to see somebody Here you go.
09:07:54 Good morning. Commissioners. Dr. Patricia Jones Olympic Forest Coalition.
09:08:00 Col. seen Washington. I wanted to come in this morning, and it is very nice to be here in person.
09:08:06 Thank you for your diligence and hard work on the forestry issues greatly greatly appreciated.
09:08:12 You have a workshop this afternoon for contract consideration.
09:08:16 From what I listened to from the last conversation, and read in the contract documents.
09:08:22 This all seems to be headed in a very good solid direction, looking for options for management.
09:08:29 We're very glad to see that progress step forward I wanted to reiterate particularly given the misinformation in the mail recently on behalf of our organization.
09:08:42 Our organization for the past at least 7 years i've been involved, has advocated for both conservation and forestry issues, as well as no drop at all in revenue to our essential
services and junior taxing districts as well as
09:08:58 trying to produce volume for important timber economy of concern.
09:09:06 The appropriate role of public employees and private actors.
09:09:10 In this whole process conservation, organization and timber industry, lobbying, purchasing organization, are private actors.
09:09:20 We are talking about public resources, forestry for public purposes to support public services, private timber, purchasers and conservation organizations are both equally important
stakeholders, but they are no more important one than the other good
09:09:43 fact-based process help with these divisive tactics. The appropriate role through public comment and direct conversations with public serving elected officials is where Afrc.
09:09:56 And off Co. belong. We hope that, going forward, our comments and views are taken into consideration, as they have been appropriately in the past.
09:10:10 But timber industry, organizations should not misrepresent who we are as conservation.
09:10:16 We don't misrepresent who they are as timber, and I felt it important to common underscore that public employees, school, district, emergency services, county employees have
a very important stakeholder, voice, but they represent the
09:10:35 public, not private actors. Thank you. Thank you for your comments.
09:10:44 This is. Is there anybody else with us on Zoom Who would like to make a comment this morning?
09:10:51 Love to hear from. You see, a number of folks there. A lot of them are staff.
09:10:58 Okay, not seeing any other hands go up i'll close well, i'll leave Puppet Comment open till 9 30.
09:11:05 But Ford Mike's an opportunity to respond to the comments that have been made so far.
09:11:14 Hi i'm i'm happy to jump in I I i'd be curious actually to hear i'm not the most knowledgeable about kind of our county network and how our websites work so this might be a
good opportunity I don't know
09:11:27 if mark that's something that you can speak to but just I was just say, i'm not not super knowledgeable to be able to to weigh in on that issue.
09:11:37 What I would say about that is that Kate and I had a little communication last week about the communications officer for the county, and I indicated, Yeah, my hesitation and
moving forward on that and there were 2 reasons for that one is how to
09:11:53 pay for it, and 2 was organizationally where to place it.
09:11:59 And I I said to Kate. we ought to pay for it out of the general fund, and it should report to the board, and she agreed with both of those. And so I'm gonna move out on that
and this will be a task for
09:12:12 that person to undertake when they join us. and 3 to 6 months.
09:12:20 Okay, great, Thank you. And Dr. Jones, thank you for being here today.
09:12:25 Yeah, it's it's been interesting. the the couple of mailers that went out to some it's interesting, some some county residences. but I don't think all and thought about if and
how we should respond but so this I think
09:12:40 is as good a place as any to respond which and I won't speak for the the Board i'll just speak for myself, and saying that you know we again and again get confronted with constituents
concerns which I happen to
09:12:55 share. Which is, why are we funding these essential services through a pretty exclusively industrial model of forestry?
09:13:06 When we have we have more tools in the toolbox, and yet we we are not exploring them.
09:13:11 And so My interest has been in asking Dnr to to help explore developing a different toolbox for those essential services to fund those essential services and to keep forestry.
09:13:22 Viable here in Jefferson County. We are not suggesting that we stop all harvest.
09:13:27 And so I would agree that there's a misrepresentation in the mailings that have gone out, and that is, is frustrating.
09:13:36 We have said all along that we want to have the forest industry involved in this process.
09:13:41 They're not kept out of it really looking forward to trying to come up with a new model that's it
09:13:52 I don't have a lot to add but thank you both Mr. Chish and Dr.
09:13:56 Jones, for your your comments today to Tom I mean it sounds like there is a path.
09:14:03 I am curious, you know it. If this audio I I I don't know what the contracts like, but I think it raises a good point, and and yes, consolidating our our our websites makes
a lot of sense that it
09:14:17 has been something on our plan, so it's good to have a a you know an idea about how we can we can start working on that and I I might add that
09:14:30 It's common practice around the State. the counties have separate websites for the sheriff, and for organizations within the county, and whether or not that's the most efficient
model is a valid question but it's a
09:14:43 common practice right Well, and I I mentioned there's attention sorry Greg if I could just jump in.
09:14:49 I forgot to say I imagine there's a tension between having one site be so complex and include so many different services that it's harder to find what you're looking for versus
individual sites.
09:15:00 Even though i'm sure they could be hosted together even if you know ideally, a Google search will come up, you know we'll pull up the right page that you're looking for right
away.
09:15:10 And ideally, you have the right navigation on your homepage, but it's easy to find I have a hard time fighting stuff on our website.
09:15:16 So I I understand. Maybe why departments have said let's go off and do our own thing.
09:15:23 Because it's cumbersome okay. Yeah, No, it can be, I mean, I think, nesting dcds nested into the general website, and I think it works pretty well.
09:15:29 But it is often hard to find things. and if you have a few simple things to get out there like parks and rack or solid waste or something. It does make sense.
09:15:37 So yeah, we'll keep working on it I appreciate tom's comment
09:15:40 And and and Patricia as well, you know they were.
09:15:46 There was. It was I don't know I I have expected leaflets to be dropped from airplanes. It was.
09:15:53 It was like a world war 2 campaign, it seemed like, you know.
09:15:54 And I guess to Afrc. and everyone else. i'd say you can just come and talk to us.
09:15:59 Then we do that as we worked, and I think the workshop is at 1130 today, and there is public comment.
09:16:05 We do want all the all the voices and the stakeholders at the table.
09:16:08 So they're an important important voice, and I think there's they have a lot of support, too, so I think.
09:16:14 Just come and come to the table would be my my response to that to the the campaign.
09:16:20 But you know we've seen campaigns on both sides too, and that's what folks do to try to gather support for their for their position.
09:16:26 So it it made me smile a little bit the diane 8 and a half by 11. picture of smoke stacks showing what carbon offsets mean.
09:16:34 You know I mean you know there's an out of truth to that.
09:16:37 But not i'm not a whole a whole lot in in the direction that we're talking about.
09:16:41 So it's just gonna be a robust conversation as we move forward, and I look forward to it.
09:16:52 I would just add on the the being the relatively new commissioner sitting up here on the bench.
09:16:57 The website issue has been one where i've found it confusing sometimes on how to find information.
09:17:06 And at 1 point I think it was last year hearken to my experience.
09:17:09 Working at the Maritime Center when we had 7 different brands, and we were trying to figure out how to make all of our various race to Alaska and 1,748 and wooden boat festival
all that whole
09:17:19 website makes sense, and it does call for our architecture that has somebody thinking of it from the top, and how how the functions work below the home web page.
09:17:31 Right, and so I think putting it in that role of the public information officer is is the right place, and then they can convene other stakeholder departments in developing
a system that's more intuitive I
09:17:45 think maybe, and less costly as Tom tierce is pointing out on the forestry issue.
09:17:53 I guess i've been the one flying closest to the ground on this stuff, and trying to do my best to take all the comments I've been receiving.
09:17:59 But you know, I feel like we're making good progress on our current task, which is to do the study and then analysis of county owned and county, and may count lands managed
for the benefit of the county and you know the
09:18:18 postcard campaign. The corporate polluters that is is a Then we build reference to Dnr's Carbon Project, which we have been told a couple of times that the tracks of land in
East Jefferson County in Dnr management are
09:18:34 likely not eligible for inclusion. in that project and I think I've said it in public session a few times, but i'm gonna say it again that we're not really looking hard at the
carbon project at this
09:18:47 point because they're looking at larger tracks of land for inclusion in that project, so that corporate polluters postcard felt totally deaf on the conversations we've been
having to me and it made me feel like Why aren't
09:19:02 you coming and talking to us, and so maybe in the room we'll now get filled up with people coming to talk to us.
09:19:08 But I would welcome that because spending tens of thousands of dollars on a postcard campaign that doesn't listen to the conversations we've been having about this issue feels
ineffective at best to me
09:19:21 so that's my comment on on that one and we have somebody with their hand up. so let's bring Gene over, and we still have public comment open until 9 30 and Sorry about my clicking
glasses but i'm 50
09:19:39 one now. My, I need My reader has all a blurry if I don't have them on
09:19:45 Hmm! Good morning, Jean. Good morning. Can you hear me? Yes, Oh, sorry.
09:19:54 I keep losing my connection. so if I blip out don't be surprised.
09:19:58 My thank you for that. I don't take this the wrong way. i'm gonna give you a backhanded compliment. once again.
09:20:08 You have demonstrated your ability to see through the bullshit, and so thank you for that.
09:20:15 I think it, you know. maybe goes without saying but yeah to to point out the fact that the the misinformation maybe last year.
09:20:29 Oh, we we can't hear you jean come back
09:20:35 Oh, we lost you. I can text her how's that that Better you're back.
09:20:42 You're back. Okay, Well sorry, anyway. so thank you for being able to see through the lives of this information.
09:20:47 And you know I think the goal here is mutually beneficial relationship.
09:20:51 And so thank you for seeing it for what it is. and just since I have reception for a moment here, I I would agree with what Mr.
09:21:03 Tears, was saying about the issues with the websites and what you all have said as well.
09:21:12 With the difficulty with which it is to find information and navigate the county website.
09:21:17 It would be really nice if it was much more intuitive and easy to locate things.
09:21:24 So thank you for that. Have a good day. Thanks for your comments.
09:21:32 Kind of one more question about that. we move on. Yeah.
09:21:34 And I guess Mark, You started we started with how we're gonna pay for it, and it's gonna come from the general fund that we're trying.
09:21:41 We're going into a more conservative budgeting framework, and you think we still have capacity for a entirely general fund if this wouldn't be a full fte Okay, i'm not sure
there's enough
09:21:53 work to be a full fte we're thinking in point 7, 5, or maybe 25 gotcha. okay?
09:22:01 And so with that, well, I think it would be affordable did we not include it last year's budget.
09:22:09 We did not. Oh, okay, it was thinking we had. The timing was close. But yeah, there was
09:22:13 I know, the Board said. Let's do it and the delay is a 100% on me.
09:22:19 Simply because I had difficulty answering those 2 questions right it's, you know.
09:22:25 Enough. Time is a lab, and the time is right. We need to do this now.
09:22:31 And so coordination of these myriad other websites would be included in the duties.
09:22:37 Right developing branding for the county. Yeah. coherent consistent approach in policy around communications.
09:22:49 It's also inconsistent principles. and you know how to message during an emergency and working with
09:22:59 Willie and emergency management. and Yeah, it's it's it you know when done right.
09:23:02 It's a complex yeah I mean sounds like a full time job, right? And if it if it turns out to be more of a full-time job than we'll come to the board and ask for additional fte
and and
09:23:15 budget. Okay, I mean I I think we have agree and sometimes that works.
09:23:26 You know Roseanne hired a young lady with a masters, and accounting to be our halftime payroll specialists right?
09:23:35 So nature of work is changing so you never know Well, I think, too, it has that this position has the ability to benefit so many departments, too, that it's really value added
for many different departments here with something i'm excited
09:23:50 about is having support for writing press releases so it consists both consistent press releases, and that there's somebody assigned to it, and has the skill to Yeah, to put
that out so eliminate the sarah's throughout
09:24:03 the county, right? Yeah, and one thing we'll do is monitor, how much work has done on behalf of other departments, And then potentially, we could do a cost allocation.
09:24:16 That's where the cost. amongst the departments that benefit that makes sense
09:24:26 Anybody else who's I saw a few other people join us in the last few minutes.
09:24:30 So has anyone joined us recently who would like to make a public comment this morning, or anyone who's on the Zoom attendee list?
09:24:39 If so, use the raise hand, button at the bottom of your zoom screen.
09:24:44 I don't see Oh, or if you joined us by by a phone.
09:24:51 You can press Star 9, 11 in a while since I said that and we'll bring you over.
09:24:58 So if you join us on the phone, you star 9 or if you're on zoom with us, you can use the raise hand button at the bottom of the zoom screen.
09:25:08 Okay, not seeing other hands come up. Go up i'll leave public comment Open until 9 30 in case anyone feels moved in the next 5Â min.
09:25:16 But do we wanna look back to some calendar i'll consent. let's do consent agenda first, so that wouldn't my my head my head is a walk with one boat honestly dreams that
09:25:33 wouldn't vote yeah dreams of wooden boats I did get to go down and sit on a couple of wind boats this weekend.
09:25:38 Then the smell of the varnish erase some of my Commissioner Cliff notes some big stuff in in a shorter consent.
09:25:51 Agenda! i'm you know happy happy for number 4 the the contract with Jefferson County fairgrounds I and and i'm not.
09:25:59 I guess I want to make sure that just the extension of the duration, plus the escalator clause is all that they wanted that there, I mean, this was there asked to accelerated.
So they can talk to Jefferson Healthcare
09:26:08 right. Yes, exactly When I reached out to him, he said, The agreement looks fine, as is, except for the term and
09:26:19 They did come back and ask for an escalator of 7.7%.
09:26:24 And I had to say, no can can't afford that you know, we're struggling with the inflation rate also. and you know we gave our departments one and a half, And so when I said no
to the 7, 7 he
09:26:38 said, Okay, got it right? I'm glad that worked out and then with the the navalator.
09:26:45 I was a little unclear. This is for 2223.
09:26:51 They got this in July, so it's just kind of a continuation.
09:26:54 It seems like this waspic Grant, you know, really just reading through it.
09:26:58 Ask for that. it's being used and and do you want do you keep wanting this money right?
09:27:03 So I was, but I was unclear what the date of service through.
09:27:09 It was quite a long one that I just wasn't sure is this for July 22 to july 23.
09:27:15 That's what it says. Yeah, that's the state fiscal year rate, and and look forward to seeing the the parks and the open space and trails a comprehensive plan coming and Yeah,
just good stuff throughout my one question about
09:27:34 the audio I was, what would be the cost to expand it to other groups.
09:27:41 And can we just, you know, if we can share it? Could we just get that cheap first year amount with the county next year instead of public health?
09:27:49 You know I don't know I I balance the subscriptions around myself right now, so I just I mean going from $700 to $5,000, or I would assume a diminished amount of work right
like getting it
09:28:02 set up is the first thing. But is it a contract that require?
09:28:08 Is it a 2 year contract I think it's because when they begin work in 22 there's not much of a year left.
09:28:15 Oh, gotcha Okay, and then there's a I think a typo and title of Number 7 and's han and Farm.
09:28:23 But other than that looks great. Bye, someone I wanted to say anything about was Number 3.
09:28:31 In addition to your comments, Greg. I just confirming that we did hire an axis we coordinating.
09:28:38 Oh, really, definitely need a group, Sophie to group you know Sophie.
09:28:43 And so she is starting in October, I believe, but great.
09:28:50 So that check that one off the list. Great good news. Now we just need a Wsu extension director.
09:28:55 Yeah. no news lately on that hiring process haven't even kicked it off yet they had us do the training we needed to be on the search committee, and that was the last activity
and that was
09:29:10 in 2 months ago, well, i'm happy to move to a proven adopt the consent agenda i'll second all in favor aye anybody last call for public comments anybody with us this morning
you would
09:29:27 like to make a public comment. You can use the raise hand button the bottom of your zoom screen or for star 9.
09:29:33 If you're on the phone, and we'll bring you over.
09:29:40 Okay, not seeing any other hands go up, so I will close public comment, and we can now do briefing from last week.
09:29:50 Alright, he wants to kick us off with tales of what's in the rearview mirror.
09:29:59 I could jump in. wait a little bit of a short week because of the holiday on Monday.
09:30:04 Let's see so met here tuesday instead of Monday last week.
09:30:12 And then, of course didn't have our usual association of counties.
09:30:19 Meeting over the new hour, but instead met with the Attorney General at the one o'clock hour just a quick update.
09:30:28 I did check in with the city to see if they were eligible.
09:30:29 To join the suits, and they are not. They have to meet the 10,000 population mark at the 2,020 census.
09:30:35 So that's unfortunate and granted we offer a lot of our public health services together jointly with the city.
09:30:46 So it's a really interesting con with Wednesday morning with
09:30:55 No, if you remember last year the 3 and Loomis act was high priority of the governor's.
09:30:59 You know, really changing the way right period in areas are protected for habitat as part of salmon restoration the governor and the tribes were behind that and it's kind of
the the rollout
09:31:11 of that bill Was you universally seen as a a failure It was frustrating on everybody's part.
09:31:20 So a firm was brought in to kind of independently assess.
09:31:26 If there is some common grounds to to before moving forward.
09:31:29 And so I was one of the folks who was interviewed early on in that process. and it, it's it's interesting to you know, and I guess just being able to throw resources at an issue
like this to have really smart
09:31:43 people, you know, trying to interview the right folks and do the analysis of both the bill and the process.
09:31:51 So that process is going to be going on for the next year or so, and I imagine we might all get pulled into it at some point, and I would
09:32:00 I would recommend you weighing in if you have that option I don't know if the like for example timber counties caucus might be pulled into that conversation.
09:32:10 We'll be talking about it in the coast of caucus meeting at the Association Accounts legislative steering committee.
09:32:16 So but but nice to be kind of proactively working towards solutions where there is some consensus instead of yes, instead of you know somebody presenting a bill and people objecting.
09:32:31 And you know this this kind of binary good bad So they're saying, Hey, where?
09:32:36 Where is the common ground here? so encourage you to to stay tuned for that.
09:32:41 We had a pretty major Internet outage. for an afternoon here at the courthouse, which was frustrating, and I kept thinking it Surely it's gonna come back.
09:32:51 Surely it's gonna come back and ended up missing a the Jefferson Transit authority audit exit.
09:32:58 But sounds like there were no findings just great was able to go home and attend the Jefferson transit advisory group meeting, which won't go into too much.
09:33:09 There because we this is not a transit Board meeting. Be a little careful there.
09:33:15 Thursday morning attended a meeting of the Puget on partnership.
09:33:21 They have a land use. Subcommittee. that is made up of pretty diverse stakeholders.
09:33:27 Looking at some of the same issues as talking about with Lorraine Loomis.
09:33:32 You know, really trying to narrow and it's interesting that Pete.
09:33:37 Some partnership has done a Oh, I should remember the name of it.
09:33:42 Basically, they have really advanced technology that allows them to forecast many different scenarios.
09:33:50 Future scenarios. Project for where population goes in the Puget Sound regions, they they can take some assumptions, plug it into this model, and then it comes up with different
land use patterns.
09:34:03 So you know this many people enter the region, and they only go into urban growth areas.
09:34:06 This is what you know a population would look like in Puget Sound, and that helps drive them.
09:34:12 You know. Where does transit need to go? where you know versus a, and then you could overlap too.
09:34:19 Kind of key habitat areas, So if that population or high population goes into non urban growth areas. how much encroachment is there, then really critical habitat, And it's
pretty pretty fascinating to see and
09:34:34 that will be used to help inform, you know, decisions in the future around regional planning.
09:34:41 So it's called the future scenarios project and I don't know what the software is.
09:34:49 I believe it's been developed in the universities locally
09:34:56 It's a very localized tool. and again. I Think this is something the counties will be on, You know. they will be presenting to the counties because it's it's a really important
land.
09:35:04 Use decision tool to inform land, use decision, so can we plug our plan into it and the development pattern for the last couple of years sewer, and then extrapolate at least
a model of What our population patterns?
09:35:20 Look like, Yeah, it doesn't do a parcel by parcel, but it does do urban growth areas and and different habitat.
09:35:30 What's that called in gis the cool not quadrants the polygons.
09:35:36 Yeah, but they they specifically don't go to the the parcel level.
09:35:41 So. i'm not sure county by county how specific it would be.
09:35:46 They did apply it to the H. now region so you know that's a 3 county region.
09:35:51 We'll see i'll i'm gonna get another briefing on it tomorrow, and a leadership council meeting, and can ask that question.
09:35:57 The kind of a if it's something that could be available at the county level.
09:36:02 For? Yeah. Well, that same kind of analysis Yeah, so keep an eye out if you have an opportunity to see it it's it's pretty interesting.
09:36:09 Presented to the Bar Association on Thursday.
09:36:15 About kind of state of the County Bar Association, and just started meeting, and actually had a really good conversation just about how they as important stakeholders, both
in the criminal justice system.
09:36:24 As well as you know, land use civil side that they're very interested in the the discussion of future buildings for the county, for example, that they they have some very specific
like you know It's We are very unusual
09:36:38 courthouse, and that we don't have a a place where a defense attorney can sit with their client, you know, often have very sensitive conversations in the middle of the hallway,
or sometimes to get privacy they'll go
09:36:49 into the public bathroom, you know. So so constraints of this location really good conversation.
09:36:55 See how a good call with congressman Kilmer's staff on just she was asking for updates on a number of regional projects leadership council briefing, getting ready for leadership
Council meeting the next couple of days
09:37:14 in Island County. i'll be away the next 2 days a good college on morale Friday morning again, just touching on a number of number of issues, are both dealing with childcare
primarily like legislative
09:37:26 Steering Committee co-chair call with Paul jul we're getting ready for the legislative retreats next week in Ellensburg.
09:37:38 So again, just further refining that long list of potential legislative priorities, and will be voting on those next week.
09:37:46 So be bringing those forward. I went to see Congressman Kilmer Friday afternoon.
09:37:52 Yep with the chamber was unfortunately not a great turnout for the Congressman the competing with wouldn't vote, and it beautiful warm Friday evening.
09:38:02 People didn't want to go sit inside but he you know just i'm always so impressed with his the breadth of his knowledge.
09:38:14 And You know, ability to can understand this community and try to bring resources.
09:38:17 Talked a lot about kind of economic impacts and what what it looks like for businesses trying to survive in this inflationary and labor market challenging period.
09:38:27 So something he did mentioned, which I had not heard about was a bill.
09:38:31 He presented in the house which is called Themb Bill, and it will tie receipt of the Community Development Block Grant funds to removing zoning barriers to density.
09:38:47 So I know some folks will squawk local control about that.
09:38:52 But they're saying that they you know he believes that jurisdictions really need some some political backing.
09:38:58 If they can take the heat and say, Hey, you know in order to get funding. you know local governments have to be eliminating barriers, and so makes a little easier for some governments
to to be able to do that when
09:39:08 otherwise their constituents might not want to see that increase in density.
09:39:13 So slight variation on the missing middle bill from the Legislature last year, and so grateful as usual for his leadership on issues like that.
09:39:24 And then oh, Saturday had a great meeting with chuck deret
09:39:33 He is kind of the the nation's leading expert on the Co.
09:39:37 Housing model, and also you applies that to homeless housing variation on it for homeless housing. and he's completed 55 co- housing communities across the country.
09:39:53 And in Canada. really smart guy, if he comes back to town, highly recommends you get together with him.
09:39:57 You know we talked a lot about the challenges of in growth management states in rural areas.
09:40:02 We don't really have a model that allows for that much density. A.
09:40:05 Co housing density in outside of ribbon growth areas.
09:40:11 And yet he has some great models of ones who's been able to do other places where you know it's for farm workers.
09:40:16 Say, look at any farm in Jefferson County, he
09:40:25 Yeah, he he has a lot of tools he's because he's worked in so many different jurisdictions.
09:40:28 He just has a lot of tools around housing, and I think we could benefit from picking his brain.
09:40:34 More so. just a beginning conversation, i'm not sure if he made it out to casual Brown.
09:40:39 He really wanted to go see it and I connected he and cherish.
09:40:42 But I'm not sure if anything came of It but he lives in
09:40:45 Nevada County, California, and so it's not too far, but really interesting conversation where anybody was anyone involved with the timing of comments and part of that conversation.
09:40:59 No, no, we just we we just met at aldrich's, and was just we there's a nascent co housing project happening in the county that joined us with just 3 of us but yeah, that would
be they might want
09:41:14 to consider pulling in some technical assistance from him.
09:41:17 Once. They think they're at the lunch trust is in the process of picking a project proponent right? right?
09:41:24 Yeah, it's charles or orchestra sorry if I took too long, I don't know it was great stuff.
09:41:37 I can finish before i'll be fast by really just day and a half off.
09:41:43 Yes, last week. So we have we're all together on Tuesday on Wednesday met with a couple of constituents in the morning, and then I was interviewed by the some folks at the Washington
Institute of public policy about
09:41:57 wilderness therapy which they are doing an investigation, I think, to kind of build legislation modeled.
09:42:04 It sounds like after Utah's prescriptions for wilderness therapy.
09:42:09 So it was for both youth and and adults, and the quilts and empowered teens.
09:42:15 Coalition has got a few wilderness Therapy classes that are coming up in late September and October.
09:42:20 And right now it's really challenging to get those paid for by the grants, because we've essentially had to make them into training. So there, there's a training component in
each one of them instead of just kind of going out there and
09:42:32 being in the wilderness as the main thing they're looking to build some kind of some evidence you know it's maybe a promising practice now, and they're looking for some evidence
to to back it up and and to
09:42:45 I think, develop legislation much like the Lorraine Loomis.
09:42:48 Just kind of getting out ahead of it. so that was a good conversation. and I.
09:42:55 We had agenda planning for this week's board of health meeting water is coming back up, and some some other good things.
09:43:02 We'll hear from that board of Health train. the first ever Board of Health Training Local Board of Health Training.
09:43:07 Then I was able to rejoin on Thursday the still going behavioral health consortium, you know, kind of still regrouping after the Laurie Fleming left in in August.
09:43:20 So both the community community, Health director, Denise, banker, and and the Public Health Director Apple are are kind of splitting duties on that, and kind of redefining what
it is.
09:43:33 And there was, you know, heard a lot about the unfortunate fire out at at Safe Harbor.
09:43:39 But they continue to operate and never lost services or stop stopped offering services, so they were able to. since they've been merged with discovery, behavioral health, they
were able to to weather that pretty pretty gracefully.
09:43:54 I was sorry to miss the the Sunday 9, 9, 11 remembrance and celebration.
09:44:02 But honoring. but I Yeah. Friday worked on my roof, and then Saturday we had guests and wooden boat festival, and had a had a great weekend, so it was a pretty light week.
09:44:13 For me last week. kay. Well, it's 9 44 and a half, so I I will refrain from briefing until we come back together.
09:44:24 After are much anticipated date with dr barry this week, because we haven't seen each other for a couple of weeks and we'll be and i'm sure we're, gonna get an
09:44:36 update on fire and smoke. So I wonder if we could mention Chief Blacks email to us.
09:44:43 Talking about Matt Stewart road Supervisor Matt Stewart, who I didn't realize working across the Western States, providing support for emergency management and fire response
very cool I I did not know I knew that he
09:44:58 was incredibly skilled and talented that I didn't know he was applying those skills across the States.
09:45:05 Yeah. So always glad to have Matt Stewart around.
09:45:09 Thank you Matt. I don't think he's listening But hopefully, i'll get back to him we're talking about him this morning.
09:45:22 Good morning, Dr. Barry. Good morning, Willie.
09:45:25 Much anticipated visit of you 2 this morning so I'm gonna turn the mic right over to you Dr.
09:45:30 Barry. it's nice to see you all again it has been a while.
09:45:35 So i'm Glad to catch everyone up and a lot's been going on so on the covid front.
09:45:41 Nationally. there is some good news case. Rates are down trending 28%. In the last 2 weeks.
09:45:48 Hospitalizations are down 9%, and deaths are down.
09:45:49 20%. so all really moving in the right direction. we are unfortunately still losing 385 Americans a day, which is, of course, much more than an average bad flu season.
09:46:00 So we're still still in The thick of it but it's, at least in a better direction.
09:46:05 In Washington State case rates are also down, trending down 20% in the last 2 weeks.
09:46:10 Hospitalizations are down. 19% and depths are down.
09:46:14 24%. so all moving in a positive direction, still in high transmission zone.
09:46:18 But at least moving towards better day. In Jefferson county case rates are relatively flat at present.
09:46:27 Our total number of cases we have diagnosed is 5,699. That puts our case rate at 324.
09:46:36 But our percent positivity is down trending to 8 point.
09:46:40 5% puts us at a case ascertainment rate of about 50%. while the case rate is staying flat, we actually think we're catching more cases in our community.
09:46:49 So overall we are seeing a down trend which is consistent with what we're seeing in our wastewater surveillance, while we had had a dramatic drop-off in wastewater positive
09:46:58 cases. down about 75% in July it is still down trending, but more at around a rate of 15 to 20%.
09:47:07 We have no one currently hospitalized for COVID-19 for a total of 149 hospitalizations.
09:47:15 We have had 31 deaths. One was new since the last time we all met together.
09:47:20 We announced that death last week. that was a woman in her eighties.
09:47:24 She had multiple chronic conditions. She was vaccinated, but not boosted.
09:47:29 In Columb County we have diagnosed 15,449 cases of Let's call them at a case rate of 241 with a perspective positivity, of 7.5% we're estimating
09:47:42 a case as entertainment rate for calm county of about 50% as well, even though that percent possible activity is lower.
09:47:49 We get less home tests reported in calm county for that factor.
09:47:55 We have one person currently hospitalized in Crom County for a total of 438 hospital so far.
09:48:00 In this response we have had 124 deaths due to Covid 19, so that is 2 more over the weekend.
09:48:08 The most recent deaths were a woman in her nineties.
09:48:12 She had multiple chronic conditions and was vaccinated, and had had one booster, but not the same
09:48:19 Another individual was a man in his eighties, also multiple chronic conditions, and had had that had the primary series and one booster, but not the second.
09:48:30 So all of our most recent deaths underlying chronic conditions, and they do all highlight.
09:48:35 The critical nature of the up-to-date on your vaccines, which means, if you were over 65, we really need you to have had both boosters, and we'll talk a bit about coming up
next the
09:48:47 omicron specific booster. so the omicron specific booster is the newest, the newest vaccine available to us.
09:48:55 It's. this underlying vaccine that we've been using this whole time.
09:48:59 The sizes are in the Dna vaccines but it is the target has been changed to be against the omicron subvariant of the virus.
09:49:08 Previously we've been vaccinating against the wild type strain, the one that was circulating back in March of 2,020.
09:49:13 So every time you got a subsequent book it was against the old version of Covid 19, and really, when Covid 19 changed from wild type.
09:49:25 It's a variety of variants but when it changed to Omicron.
09:49:27 That was such a dramatic shift in the virus that the vaccines have not been able to protect us against symptomatic fat infection.
09:49:35 The way that they used to, they do still help. You are still 3 times more likely to get Covid 19.
09:49:41 If you are unvaccinated, then if you're vaccinated.
09:49:44 But as many of us have experienced in the in our community in the last few months, they're not enough to prevent all infection. but they do a really good job at preventing severe.
09:49:55 What what is going on with this newest vaccine is that it's the same base formulation for the vaccine.
09:49:59 But the target is different. So it's actually specifically targeted to Ba 4 and 5 which are the current circulating variants, unlike the other boosters that have come before
this one really promises that to prevent
09:50:13 symptomatic disease as a whole, not just prevent severe disease hospitalization.
09:50:18 And we're really very hopeful about that particularly because we've seen such persistent permanence of ba 4 and ba 5.
09:50:26 We haven't seen a dramatic shift in the virus. So we're hopeful that that combined with vaccination should be able to really help us reduce the amount of transmission in our
community and really move to the next phase in this response
09:50:40 in a in a safer way than than prior transfer.
09:50:44 We did get our first shipment of the Omaharon specific into our community.
09:50:50 At the end of last week we do have a bit of a supply and demand mismatch.
09:50:53 At this moment. It takes a while to ramp up a new a new formulation of a vaccine, and so we don't have enough for everyone who wants it right now.
09:51:03 But we should get enough within the next month. Anyone who has completed their primary series more than 2 months ago is eligible for this vaccine.
09:51:13 If they are 12 or over it doesn't matter how many boosters you had before.
09:51:18 If it's more than 2 months ago you are eligible for this boost we are recommending, while we have this the shortage of vaccine that we prioritize those in our community who
are at highest risk so If you are over 60
09:51:31 5. If you are immuno suppressed primarily because we take care of those folks at high risk, we recommend you get vaccinated in this first round. everyone else in our community.
09:51:49 We strongly recommend. You get vaccinated too but we'd really encourage you to hold on for about a month, so that we can get these highest risk.
09:51:52 Folks vaccinated first. we have announced some booster clinics and mass vaccination.
09:51:59 We have a bit of a good problem. to have which is that there are so many people who want this booster that we've actually already filled those clinics.
09:52:07 So we are going to be expanding hours and expanding slots of those.
09:52:10 So you can look forward to that soon. it's important to know that there are other places to get vaccinated to
09:52:17 Once Jefferson healthcare receives their vaccine they will be vaccinating in appointments.
09:52:22 They're not able to muster the mass vaccinations they did in the beginning.
09:52:25 We're really trying to hold that at public health and deem
09:52:30 There are also multiple pharmacies who have received vaccines so safely in Port Townsend has vaccine, and I checked this morning, and they do have appointments available in
the next week.
09:52:39 So that's one option for folks if You we're looking to get on our mass vaccination schedule and ran into it, spilling quickly try area pharmacy also has
09:52:54 Of course, whenever we whenever we have a new a new positive step in the pandemic there's also some misinformation to accompany it, so the most common misinformation i'm seeing
about the
09:53:05 omaha Cran's at this time is there's submission circulating, seeing that there weren't safety trials for the Omocron specific because this vaccine is the same one that we have
09:53:20 been using this whole time. So all of the safety trials related to the Pfizer and the Dna vaccines also apply to the omicron specific.
09:53:28 The only change is the time. So the most similar analogy I could share is that when we vaccinate for the flu every year
09:53:38 We change the target every year to a whatever variance is circulating in the world.
09:53:44 But we don't do a whole new round of safety to trials every fall prior to rolling out the flu vaccine, because the So that's why you're not seeing a new round of safety trials
is That that is
09:53:54 not not normal to do when the base vaccine is and the target is just so.
09:54:01 It's just targeting the omicron
09:54:06 So that the only other major update there on COVID-19 is the state of emergency is is ending October 3 first
09:54:18 So, and I do think I do think that is appropriate.
09:54:20 I think we are moving into a different phase in our response.
09:54:25 Many of the orders related to really to Covid 19 have already expired, or have been revoked.
09:54:33 There are a few remaining that will expire on the 30 First, A lot of those are around kind of emergency credentialing.
09:54:40 So during the pandemic we made it so that you could perform healthcare without the level of credentials, you normally do in order to meet the meet the emergency demands that
we're facing that's phasing
09:54:52 out so that everyone has to be criticized.
09:54:57 One of the biggest things that we'll be phasing out on the 30. first is the vaccine requirement for educational settings and healthcare.
09:55:06 I do have a little bit of concern about the phasing out of the healthcare, setting vaccination requirement just because in healthcare settings I do think we have a reasonable
expectation that Those who are taking care of us have
09:55:17 taken option to not give us infectious. However, individual organizations and credentialing agencies can still require that a provider be up to date on their vaccination; that
actually is, the current state of affairs when it relates
09:55:34 to other infections. I work in a clinic and I have to prove that I don't have to tuberculosis in order to be eligible to work there.
09:55:42 There are no State mandates saying that, but that is a baseline expectation employer. so we anticipate. Many healthcare employers will still require that workers be up to date.
09:55:56 The one the one order that is not expiring is the requirement for masks in healthcare settings. So, in long-term care, facilities, certain correctional settings, and all health
care facilities, You can expect your providers will still
09:56:10 be math in those settings, and you will be expected to wear a mask as well that one is actually out of the State Department of Health, and is likely to persist until we're in
a much much better I do want to give a brief update
09:56:25 on Mpv. and then move to questions from the Commissioners.
09:56:29 I know we have a more extensive update today than usual.
09:56:32 Mtv. Front
09:56:40 In Washington State we have diagnosed 497 cases nationwide, over 21,000.
09:56:46 We are trying to see new cases low. when it comes to diagnosis of Mpv. we think that is primarily driven by the vaccine rollout as well as work within the affected communities
to spread the word change behavior and
09:56:59 really encourage safe practice the gay community. has unfortunately, face before, and so they're very good at spreading information, and making sure that really need to get
a lot of credit. for How Well, we've done in kind of
09:57:13 Tampa down Mpv. in their own community think It's important to always acknowledge that anyone can get Mpv.
09:57:20 It is not exclusively within the gay community, and certainly in the the few cases that we've seen the one case that we've seen in Calam County. it this was in a heterosexual
individual
09:57:31 so anyone can get it. It was per long skin skin contact, but it has been just proportional.
09:57:39 We do have the genius vaccine in house in Jefferson County, and we are vaccinating right now.
09:57:45 We are seeing increased supply so we're starting to be able to loosen the restrictions on vaccination for genius.
09:57:51 So now expanding alexibility to anyone who's had an spi in the last year, regardless of gender identity or sexual orientation.
09:58:00 In addition to the baseline folks who were eligible, and also anyone who has injected drugs.
09:58:04 In the last few months we are seeing some more transmission within that community, so we'll be working on making sure that we are distributing vaccines to that community, and
as well, we also have a very active weightlist that we do move through so that we
09:58:19 don't waste vaccine so if you are interested in vaccination, and you don't quite meet the current.
09:58:23 But criteria definitely sign up. we very likely will be, and with that I am happy to take questions from our Commissioner
09:58:36 I have one question part for Willie, and I know we have a lot of Kpd listener questions this morning, so I am going to defer my time to the list.
09:58:44 I have I have a couple of quick questions doctor it's good to see you again.
09:58:49 I'm i'm curious with the on the booster previously.
09:59:00 So is that recommended fifth shot? Yes, so we do.
09:59:09 I have heard that question from Some of the elders in our community who are like I've gotten so many vaccines. Do I really need this other one? And the answer is, yes, the Omnacron
specific booster is
09:59:23 First one in a long time prevent any infection, so I would recommend you.
09:59:29 Get it regardless of how many doses you got before as long as you completed your primary series.
09:59:33 Now there are some elders in our community who did get their second booster a month ago, and so in that case you need to wait until at least 2 months. that's your last vaccine.
09:59:45 We have seen that the omicron specific booster is even more effective if it's been 4 or more months since your last last dose or prior infection.
09:59:55 So you are likely to get longer persistence of immunity.
09:59:58 If you can wait 4 months to get your your now if you're in a high risk group, you know if you're on chemotherapy. if you're on immunosuppressants you should just get this one
as soon as you
10:00:08 can But for those of us who are otherwise and not super high risk.
10:00:15 From Kovat 19. I would recommend waiting 4 months from your from your most recent vaccine or infection. you're likely to get better immunity from it.
10:00:25 You can get it as soon as 2 months. 4 months is probably gonna do better for you. Thank you.
10:00:29 And then, as a kind of corollary to that those folks that aren't immuno suppressed, or you know, under 65.
10:00:40 Should should we wait to get the second booster and tell There's enough of the omnicon specific booster.
10:00:47 That that we can get it for everyone Yes, I would if you're, you know. if you're young healthy not a healthcare worker.
10:00:56 I would recommend waiting. Give it about a month before you go.
10:00:59 Get your booster so that we can get our highest risk.
10:01:01 Folks in the community. Our mass vaccination events are limited to those highest risk of groups.
10:01:07 But some of our other private providers in the community aren't following those limitations not passed down from the state and so we're we're asking you guys to hang types.
so that we can get get our highest we're
10:01:20 still back to the first. As many folks know, Jefferson County is an older community, so we have many, many people in that over 65 group.
10:01:29 We want to search for great thank you and Then Finally I'm. just wondering how how schools are going with the everyone back and session.
10:01:36 If you have any update on on on schools at all.
10:01:41 So far, so good. we have no documented transmission in our school settings at this point, so that's very hopeful.
10:01:47 I think there is a lot of a lot of hope being to be back and and moving towards a more normal state of affairs.
10:01:55 I think we will be dealing with the impacts of this pandemic for quite some time.
10:02:00 And so I know our teachers and our students are are navigating the recovery.
10:02:06 And there's a lot of pressure on on them to management.
10:02:10 The mental health implications of the pandemic Great.
10:02:17 Thank you very much. and maybe alaska follow up to Greg's questions.
10:02:23 You know. I certainly understand that increased risk for older folks of serious disease.
10:02:29 But i've also heard some frustration, from service workers say, who feel at higher risk of transmission, and end up missing a lot of work.
10:02:39 If they get exposed, or you know, do indeed have Covid
10:02:43 What advice would you have for those folks who were not eligible for the second booster before this booster came along? sure understandable.
10:02:51 And you know I think I am so glad that so many people want to get vaccinated.
10:02:55 I think that is that's a good position to be in and It's very understandable to just want to prevent getting infected.
10:03:02 I would say that for most you know workplace related exposures high Quality they're still really good at reducing your risk of transmission. So if you're working in a grocery
store you know server in a restaurant
10:03:15 wearing a K. in 95 or higher really will do a lot to reduce your risk of training.
10:03:23 And I would say it's just just the challenge of of shortage
10:03:28 And so, whenever we have not enough of something, we have to prioritize it.
10:03:32 That, too, reducing death. and that's really really what we're doing with these groups right?
10:03:38 Now, but within the next month we should
10:03:46 And I I don't think other counties are necessarily as limited as we are.
10:03:51 In in that availability. But would you recommend folks not go across county lines, too, in in order to try to like, keep the vaccine available to the most vulnerable?
10:04:00 Still, I do think a lot. I mean a lot of counties are do have limited supply, you know.
10:04:07 None of us have as much as we need but some aren't prioritizing vaccine.
10:04:12 I would recommend you know staying within the county unless you're in a really high risk group, because it it comes down to an equity issue.
10:04:20 You know we're We don't want you know young Savvy 20 something to go take a vaccine in King County that could go to an elder there that meets it more.
10:04:30 And that's really part of why we want to do prioritization.
10:04:32 Yeah, we don't. want vaccine to just go to whoever's the most Internet Savvy, we want it to go to the people who That's why We're and is it still anticipated to be a fairly
10:04:44 short window of protection. you know and I i'm thinking for, like i'm i'm not in a rush to get mine. but I do have a big trip this winter, and I think should I delay until you
know time that
10:04:58 with with travel. we actually think this one is likely. to have a longer window of protection against symptomatic disease, because it's against the Omaha crown beer.
10:05:08 So that's a really dramatic change in the level of protection.
10:05:14 Yeah, So and also because we're not seeing this rapid change in the virus.
10:05:21 Now the one variable that we can never control for is, if the virus dramatically shifted and that that could change the game.
10:05:28 But if it continues to do what it's doing, which is, even if it mutates, stay within the omicron sub lineage, this should provide more persistent than any boosters like thank
you and we would
10:05:44 consider you up to date on your vaccines as soon as it's been 2 weeks your booster dose.
10:05:49 So if, for instance, you're planning on traveling for the holidays in December, if you get backinated in October, you'll be very
10:05:58 Hey on, well, I will move on to the kpu Z. question.
10:06:06 Yeah. And so these are everything that's come in in the last few weeks.
10:06:11 One question was from a gentleman who was basically sharing that.
10:06:16 He has been very, very, I believe this was, gentlemen, An individual who has been very, very careful on their indoor activities, masking throughout indoor activities, thinks
they most likely got Omicron in an outdoor
10:06:29 event. one of the more crowded outdoor events in which they were were unmassed.
10:06:33 The trend and so kind of just giving a psa, reminding folks that these variants are incredibly contained.
10:06:43 Interestingly, this person did note that the test that they used was one of the at home tests, the the queue tests that has been known to have a little bit more of a higher
false positivity.
10:06:55 Rate and so they they noted that they were going to do a retest, and I would recommend that.
10:06:59 So if you are very unlikely to have had Kovat 19.
10:07:04 If you get a positive that's the one case where it might be reasonable to do it.
10:07:08 Retest that's the key. they have a slightly higher. false cause but otherwise positive is a positive But they do come in 2 packs.
10:07:18 So if you're ever wondering you can take it we do see cases of outdoor.
10:07:22 Trans. It is much lower than indoor, but it can happen, especially when you see large groups of people.
10:07:30 If you are high risk, and it would be really devastating if you got Covid 19.
10:07:35 We would recommend masking even outdoors if you're in a in a large group.
10:07:41 But it's kind of all depends on your personal risk profile and your personal company.
10:07:47 This next question was from an individual who had had the primary series and one booster, but they had immune reactions to, and so decided not to get additional booster.
10:08:03 They were wondering if they could get the nova vaccine booster because it's different, had a reaction to the price.
10:08:09 Unfortunately, the Nova vaccine has not been approved as a booster.
10:08:15 We don't have enough data on its efficiency the Noba Ax group is doing.
10:08:22 They are studying whether or not it can be an affected booster.
10:08:25 But we just don't have enough data yet. to move forward with that as a boosters not yet available for those rare individuals who have had reactions to the Mrna Vaccines hang
tight I know There's a lot of
10:08:36 frustration. but in the meantime, if you truly have had allergic reaction to the rna that seems you can't go on to get additional backs.
10:08:46 And you just have to lean on the people around you.
10:08:49 To get vaccinated and on things like masks and ventilation through
10:08:57 This next person said they, harvest a lot of produce to donate to the food bank.
10:09:02 Do I need to wear a mask to prevent the spread of Covid and Mpv.
10:09:06 To fruit and vegetables that I handle. and the answer is, No.
10:09:11 Neither of those have been shown to transmit with food You don't have to worry that your fruit and vegetables in the in the grocery store or the food bank are contaminated with
either of those 5 We do recommend rinsing
10:09:24 your produce to cleans it of the other things that can potentially be contaminated with and watching your hands.
10:09:29 But no you don't have to mask when you're preparing for for those viruses.
10:09:34 This next person is getting coronary bypass in September.
10:09:40 Sending you good thoughts for your surgery.
10:09:43 I had a a close family member who got heart surgery in the delta wave, so I I know a little bit of the stress related to
10:09:53 They are asking how they can reduce their risk of being infected with Covid while they're in hospital.
10:10:01 You have significant cardiac disease and are going to have to have an operation in the next month or so.
10:10:08 So I would strongly recommend accessing one of those at one of our pharmacies appointments available and getting vaccinated.
10:10:19 That's really the biggest thing that you could do make sure you're up to date on your vaccines.
10:10:23 Know that our hospitals follow very intensive protocols to reduce the risk of transmitting covid 19 in their spaces.
10:10:31 Generally there's testing requirements of patients there's a course masking requirements.
10:10:36 So, while it can feel scary to go into a hospital where people are sick during the Covid 19 pandemic, it is because it's the only place left where everyone's mandated to wear
a mask and so
10:10:49 from a covid standpoint you should do a question and we will.
10:10:54 I'll be thinking about you in september This next question was from a person who said that they had a coworker who was terminated from a Federal contract work because they were
not vaccinated and they were
10:11:10 wondering if they found a way to rehire this person, whether or not they would pose a risk or at.
10:11:15 Oh, you want a imminent hazard to others, I would say.
10:11:20 When it comes to being vaccinated, it does decrease your risk.
10:11:26 Does that mean that if you are unvaccinated you are a hazard to the people.
10:11:30 I don't think so. It does mean that you are more likely to bring Covid 19 in the workplace, but those that can be mitigated by other things be mitigated by good masking in the
workplace for
10:11:42 examples. so that that would be one option. in order to make things safe.
10:11:50 And covid 19 for the primary series not the Oak Crown specific is not as good a preventing independent infection and transmission as it used to when when we had different variants
circulating and so it's
10:12:06 really primarily protecting against severe disease. Now, I think that's going to change with the omicron specific booster.
10:12:14 So being up to date on your vaccines is, is going to really make you less likely to spread Kovat 19 in the workplace.
10:12:20 But there are other things you can masks work really well at reducing transmission, both reducing transmissions from a person as there are other things you can do, improving
ventilation in your
10:12:33 workplace. Vaccination is not the only thing.
10:12:39 This next person says, after I get the new covid vaccination as soon as it's available, should I consider continue masking in indoor crowded spaces.
10:12:48 Now, if this vaccine shakes out to be as good as we think it will be at preventing transmission.
10:12:55 That is one of the few things that I think actually could make it safe to go and mass in indoor spaces.
10:13:00 If you're not going to get or give covid 19
10:13:02 That could make it a lot safer. go i'm asked indoors.
10:13:06 I'd like to see that shake out see how that plays out in in the months after the vaccine comes.
10:13:13 Vaccines. depending on your risk. profile, you know, for those in our community who are very, very high risk, who are undergoing active chemotherapy things like that.
10:13:23 I recommend you mask for a little while longer, until we make sure things are in a much, much better space.
10:13:29 But I I do think many of us could start unmasking indoors after we get up to date.
10:13:34 On this most recent which would be a hopeful step to more normal time.
10:13:42 This next person is visiting their 2 sons in Portland, who are in their mid forties.
10:13:48 They've had they've got the primary series and one booster?
10:13:52 And are they up to date on their vaccines and the answer is, Yeah, at least as of now. they're up to date on their vaccines.
10:13:59 You're just getting the omega crown specific booster out.
10:14:03 And so once we have enough of that if it's been more than 2 months since their booster. they'll need that to be given that there's not enough of that right now I would consider
them up to date.
10:14:14 This next person is one of those folks is in the very highest risk group out. So they are an older person who is currently undercoin chemotherapy. I've been vaccinated, and
boosted so that but that
10:14:28 is a person who we we really worry about if they get Covid, even though they've done everything they can to put themselves
10:14:35 So they're asking about a couple couple ways to interact with others, and whether or not that would be safe.
10:14:45 So having someone having someone visit who is not up to date on our vaccine.
10:14:50 Say they're? vaccinated and not boosted but everybody's massed the whole time, and they're getting separately.
10:14:56 Is that safe, and I would say Yes, so that's a that's a great option.
10:15:00 If you keep everybody masked indoors, and you eat separately, or eat outdoors.
10:15:05 That's a very safe to meet up on a friend's porch or patio is very safe regardless of to be discussed at the very top.
10:15:16 If you're going to get really really close to people given your high risk status, that is one space where we would actually recommend outdoor masking which it sounds like they
were considering. anyway.
10:15:27 But outdoor gatherings are generally pretty safe, and then they ask whether or not see if you go to grocery stores with a high quality mask.
10:15:34 It is in your case I would definitely recommend high quality it's okay, 24, or Km.
10:15:40 Any 5 or higher to make sure that you very safe
10:15:44 And meeting up outside in in a mass space so everything that you're planning to do sounds great, and safe.
10:15:54 Enjoy your life and be around the people that love you.
10:15:57 Just a couple more. This next person talks about how basically a lot of their friends are meeting up indoors without mass sun, and and they're kind of envious and confused as
to you know what this means you know has kind
10:16:13 of the risk, and I would say, We definitely have seen a lot of folks in our community get Covid in the last couple of months, and I think a lot of that is that people are you
know, just kind of moving on and meeting up
10:16:27 indoors without masks, even though there's still a lot of transmission, and and that's how that happens.
10:16:33 I would say that it depends on your risk, profile how much you can.
10:16:39 And that we all are at different phases in our immunity.
10:16:42 So many of us have had Covid in the last 2 months, and have had the A.
10:16:45 4 or B A. 5, and so the risk of picking up Covid again in the next couple of months is relatively low.
10:16:50 Some of your friends may be in that position. and feel a little more comfortable going on math in indoor settings.
10:16:57 But once you get the I think that would be one time after it's been 2 weeks. but it would be reasonable to start engaging in a little bit more indirect unmassed, and then this
last question
10:17:13 said, with with Governor Inslee dropping the emergency powers.
10:17:17 It was the right thing to have capacity limits in the flood.
10:17:22 I'm not entirely sure that I understand the question but I think it's basically asking like was all that stuff.
10:17:28 A good idea. all those intensive restrictions that we Did we need those now that they're going away?
10:17:35 And the answer is really unequivocally Yes, So the fact that they can go away now doesn't affect whether or not they were meaningful.
10:17:44 Then Over the last couple of years we had really intensive transition, and we had much less safeguards available and much less community level immunity to protect
10:17:55 And so all of those interventions made difference at reducing death in Washington State.
10:18:00 So in Washington State, the rate is 184 per 100,000. In Jefferson our county.
10:18:06 Our rate is actually halfway The Washington State death rate is roughly half of the United States death rate, which is 319, per 100,000, and significantly less than the highest
death rates in state that had no such interventions
10:18:20 Soissippi has the highest death rate, 430 per 100,000. Arizona, which I think many of us noticed had very few really no requirements on Kovat 19 as a death rate of 427 per 100
10:18:34 1,000. If the United States as a whole, had the death rate of Washington State over 433,000 more people would be alive today.
10:18:44 And so the things that we did in Washington state that we did kept our our neighbors alive.
10:18:50 And so it was absolutely worth it. It was very hard for everything.
10:18:54 But it was necessary to keep our community members alive. I think it is not as necessary now, and so I do think it is appropriate to start to phase some of those emergency orders.
10:19:06 Out. and with that i'm happy to pass back to you are commissioners, or really thank you, Thank you, Dr.
10:19:13 Barry. we sure appreciate you and we're anticipating your arrival this morning with bated breath, because it's been so long it felt so long.
10:19:23 So any follow-up questions for Dr. Barry? No just good job getting through that long list of questions.
10:19:32 Yeah, that was amazing. And leaving time for Willie, cause I do have a question for him
10:19:41 Right then I will go ahead and jump in. Dr. Barry.
10:19:45 Pretty much already covered. the Covid related update for me.
10:19:49 That is, we have in partnership with public health a couple of Linux coming up.
10:19:52 I'm starting the end of september as Dr.
10:19:55 Barry mentioned those filled up rather quickly. However, as she mentioned We'll be looking at expanding those maybe adding additional offerings.
10:20:03 You can sign up for the waitlist on via the Public health website.
10:20:07 If you want to get added to that. So what are those clinics?
10:20:11 Are expanded or we typically have a couple of cancellations.
10:20:14 The day of the clinic so hop on the waitlist, if you're willing to be a little bit flexible, and sneak into one of those if the opportunity arises. Otherwise, Also, as Dr.
10:20:25 Barry mentioned, there are opportunities available. through the local pharmacy.
10:20:28 So do Do check in with for regular pharmacy to see if you can get an appointment.
10:20:35 Otherwise we look forward to being in chimney, come starting the twenty-fourth will be in work towns at Blue heron Middle School on October first, and then down in will.
10:20:43 Scene. on the eighth and that's all we have scheduled for now. but again, as always keep an eye on the public health website.
10:20:50 For update there. The other 2 things I did want to mention.
10:20:54 We had a couple of different occurrences over the past few days I'm.
10:20:57 From first We all saw some degraded air quality here locally that is being pushed east.
10:21:03 So good news for us. Our air quality will return to normal by later this evening.
10:21:09 It is improving rather rapidly. The bad news for those folks on the east side of the State is they are getting the smoke on.
10:21:16 That note was from a combination of a couple of different things, primarily being the Bulk Creek buyer down near Stevens.
10:21:22 Ask this dumpty on of smoke over the western portion of the State.
10:21:26 The past couple of days. We also saw a smaller rush fire here locally the 100 104 on energy.
10:21:32 There excellent work from our local fire jurisdictions as well as Dnr.
10:21:37 To help get that but a lot of smoke here locally.
10:21:41 We did see some degraded air quality i'm not That's what made for the pretty sunset.
10:21:46 We saw over the past couple of days, and again, all that smoke is being pushed east, and we should return to a normal air quality by later this evening, if not sooner.
10:21:58 The other thing is, we had a small earthquake here, locally along the David Bay fault, which is down in the southeast portion of the county, appropriately near a bay.
10:22:08 I know a lot of folks. were jostled awake by that very early in the morning, and there is a really interesting tool that i'd encourage folks who did feel that earthquake to
go and help fill out if they did
10:22:20 use it, and it's from the us gs that actually crowd sources.
10:22:27 Information about earthquake. basically power level so you're going in an input about roughly. You know how how you know jostling the earthquake was, how harsh the shaking.
10:22:37 Was, and then it proved some researchers, some insight as to what the general public was able to discern from the from the so go in and fill that out really fascinating I mean
a lot of folks might have slept
10:22:50 through it. But I know a lot of other folks were i'm kind of taking a week right now, really up for debate whether or not that was a a for shock and a you know, some foreshadowing
of a potentially more powerful
10:23:02 earthquake later. or if it was a good thing by actually releasing energy, there's no way of knowing for sure which those 2 it might be, but regardless of that fact, it is an
excellent reminder that i'm on
10:23:13 top of the wildfires, the heat the smoke that we're currently experiencing the summer, and we always have that kind of looming threat of a potential catastrophe.
10:23:23 So yet another reminder on you've heard me been i've been saying this for the past 2 and a half years at these meetings.
10:23:28 I'm get prepared, you know. Talk with your friends and family build a kit etc., etc.
10:23:34 So another little short, thankfully, relatively minor friendly reminder, but a reminder nevertheless.
10:23:39 So that's the end of my report but i'll take that Commissioner eisenhower's question. Well, I have a question.
10:23:44 I got a couple of times over the last few days about the Nixel alert that went out about fire, you know.
10:23:53 Fire restrictions, and there was a mention of barbecues in that, and someone said, Does that include like a trigger grill?
10:24:04 Does that include smokers? or is that just limited to charcoal?
10:24:10 I mean the the common sense is probably in the it includes everything, all the above.
10:24:15 But something like a smoker like a trigger grill is more contained.
10:24:21 And so, anyway, I would be interested in any insight you can provide on that questions.
10:24:27 So the general rule of thumb is when we have a total burn band restriction like this.
10:24:32 The only thing that's allowed is something like a propane powered stover grow something that actually has a switch that you can turn on and off.
10:24:42 If it's powered by charcoal would something that doesn't have a convenient switch where you can immediately extinguish the flame.
10:24:51 That is not allowed. so if it's propane powered has that switch that you can start on and off to quickly.
10:24:56 Take control and extinguish that's allowed on anything other than that would not be allowed under those good clarification.
10:25:04 Thank you, Ellie, and then I would just say
10:25:09 I did feel the the small 3.7 earthquake, and at 107 in the morning, and as I heard from years, the the lore around dogs being early detection systems, my dog did wake up at
shortly before or
10:25:28 at the beginning of the shaking and woke us up but it's just, you know, interesting that it was confirmed.
10:25:36 That canines do have a kind of a sixth sense when it comes to earthquakes.
10:25:41 And then the shaking was a little. You know, Joshua and I did go to the website and and and answer the quite long survey that they asked.
10:25:50 And one of the things they ask is, how did you feel?
10:25:53 And you know there's a long list of of questions or descriptions of how you felt, and there was a lot of variations of scared.
10:26:03 But then there was excited and i'm like Oh, that's me totally excited. and
10:26:09 Maybe that's why I have started down the path of organizing my neighborhood, being in prepar for my neighborhood by getting in touch with the local 2020 in prep.
10:26:17 Group, and starting to come up with a plan but yeah it's a good reminder.
10:26:24 These little shake rattle and roles that we feel of what could come.
10:26:29 And hark me, but hearken me back to the nisquality earthquake.
10:26:33 And that being a little bit more rally back then.
10:26:36 But if we get a big one here it'll be a lot different than these small but relatively small shakes that we've been feeling so. I appreciate the insight in that any other questions
for Willie Hi have a question was thinking
10:26:54 of you Willie last week i'm busy week teach you to never go on vacation again.
10:26:58 I bet with the the brush fire that happened off of 104.
10:27:04 I think there are a number of folks Were contacting me saying where's the best place to get information on the status of a local fire, especially when that maybe isn't very
big and you know compared to the other fires the
10:27:16 Dnr deals with might not really be on the radar.
10:27:19 What advice would you have for folks, especially locally affected, who are are seeking the most up to date?
10:27:24 Information on a small local fire like that yeah that's something I need to As you mentioned, I was on vacation during that, so I kind of got a lot of information secondhand
myself.
10:27:35 Obviously the the first primary best place for up to date direct to you.
10:27:41 Emergency information is nixel, and we did send out a number of Nixon alerts during that event.
10:27:46 Avoid the area forming folks of the burn band and that's where you get information.
10:27:50 Related to any necessary, direct action like a real closure I'm.
10:27:55 The other best opportunity. depending on. you know where the fire is.
10:28:00 Our local fire jurisdictions. manage social media pages we'll see east jeff we're posting updates to their pages on the fire.
10:28:11 But I do want to talk to our local fire chiefs association on coordinating that seeing how we and deem can help
10:28:19 We the em don't have a social media presence right now, but that's something we're we're working on.
10:28:24 I mean we wanna be able to support the fire service who are so busy actually in putting out the fire, and we want to be able to help spread information in a little bit more
directive a manner.
10:28:33 I'm taking some of the burden off of them in that regard.
10:28:36 So i'm definitely looked to the individual jurisdictions Facebook pages for now that was the the best information
10:28:43 During that previous event. they're posting information on their pages. but I think it's something that we need to talk a little bit about as an emergency management community,
since there is no one stop shop which was a big issue early
10:28:54 on in the Covid response as well. So we need to do a little bit of fine tuning there.
10:29:00 In the meantime their Facebook pages are excellent sources of information.
10:29:03 Great. Thank you. One follow up question to that. that Carolyn and I were actually talking about over text when that fire was burning.
10:29:14 Is what level of emergency kind of triggers us declaring a state of emergency?
10:29:21 I know that since i've been a commissioner and in my seat, there's been one instance where we declared a state of emergency for a road wash out on the West End for the Oil City
road, and you know it just it
10:29:32 was, I thought it was a great question from carolyn and it made me wonder what what point or what's the trigger for declaring a state of emergency.
10:29:42 When it comes to things like fire or road issues.
10:29:47 Do you have any insight into that willie yeah so there's no one.
10:29:51 Specific hard trigger. and we kind of talked about this during our our policy management group training.
10:29:58 A couple of weeks, maybe a couple of months ago, by now and that's really we. We want to declare a state of emergency When local resources are overwhelmed.
10:30:08 We need, and it requires on State level resources. to be able to respond to the emergency.
10:30:13 That will be very different. A road wash out versus a major fire.
10:30:19 Different types of resources require different contracting required setting etc.
10:30:25 So. it'll be really be a case by case emergency by emergency basis.
10:30:30 But the the simplest way I can put it is when local resources are overwhelmed, and we can no longer just I'm.
10:30:37 Within Jefferson County. given our local resources respond to the incident.
10:30:42 That'll change emergency by emergency under given this fire as an example where Dnr.
10:30:46 Was able to step in and help out fire service has done a really phenomenal job over the years building mutual aid agreements to be able to support one another at different levels.
I'm: So gonna fire will be
10:30:58 a lot different than a a winter storm causing a road wash out where the like. So on, the best thing we can do is kick an emergency by emergency. review our internal response
and our internal resources.
10:31:09 And then, once things start to expand at a rate where it makes it looks like we may not be able to hand it internally.
10:31:17 Have a conversation between our accounting commissioners between me and deem I'm, the responding agencies for the fire public works, law, enforcement, etcetera, as to what they
need to handle the emergency and then make a decision
10:31:28 up. i'm so kind of a vague non concrete answer, and I apologize.
10:31:33 But it's very much a case of Well, we'll know it when we see it as long as we're having this conversation early on.
10:31:39 Yeah. Okay, Thank you. Any other questions for Dr. Barrier, Willie.
10:31:44 That is west to on the shore this morning. Nope.
10:31:47 No good to see you guys. Thanks for being here. We appreciate both of you immensely.
10:31:54 Okay, I think we are gonna move right into our 1030 workshop.
10:32:00 With this whole discussion. discussion. with DCD. and our deputy prosecuting attorney, Barbara. Yeah.
10:32:09 Ericman. I need to run down the hall for just 1Â s.
10:32:13 I don't know that we need to recess but if you can just excuse me for a second.
10:32:16 I'll be right back Well, they're getting set up
10:32:23 Let's see, Brian Brian benjamin should come over.
10:32:27 Yeah, Josh Peters should be brought over Barbara Harrickman and Brian Benjamin
10:32:41 You guys are gonna need to accept your promotion. The panelists to be brought over into the zoom room.
10:32:51 Josh Peters is not Jp.
10:32:56 Good morning, Barbara and Brian and Josh.
10:33:01 Good morning, everyone, So we're just gonna take a brief pause.
10:33:10 Well, Mr. Dean come when she comes back. She just had to run run down the hall
10:33:22 How was that? everyone's wooden boat? weekend Did everyone get down and see some boats?
10:33:26 I hope little bit gifts little bugs not as much as in years past for me, anyway.
10:33:38 But still comforting, knowing it's there yeah
10:34:03 Commissioner Dean is back so we can get going.
10:34:09 What do you guys have for us this morning? Seems like a big topic.
10:34:13 Yes, it is, and and good morning. I will start out. Josh Peters planning manager, community development also.
10:34:23 Here. This is Brian Benjamin System planner with DCD. and
10:34:29 Barbara Ellichman with the prosecuting Attorney's office to support.
10:34:34 So The main reason that we asked for time this morning is to have the Board approve a hearing notice that would be published this coming one Wednesday in the leader of the paper
of record to provide notification of a public hearing before The board on
10:34:51 Monday, September 20 sixth and it's for a prospective ordinance that relates to the moratorium.
10:34:59 That's been in place since late last year. and so I know we've spoken with you on occasion about the legal lot of record ordinance in the works, and so the purpose here also.
10:35:10 Besides asking for your approval for that notice is to give you a briefing on where we stand in the process, and then lay out the schedule from here, so that you have a clear
idea about exactly where we're going and so brian
10:35:22 has a slide that, as specific dates listed I made list off a couple of dates right here in the opening remarks.
10:35:27 But he's got it all spelled out right you could even start firing up that presentation, too.
10:35:36 We have about 10Â min, probably 1050Â min worth of slides.
10:35:38 Just to to let you know where we're at and then we'll open up to any questions or concerns or issues.
10:35:45 Main. Now thing we wanna talk about is that we have a compressed process.
10:35:50 You may recall that we came to the board a month ago, or so ago, month and a half, and asked whether we wanted to even consider extending the moratorium, or just work on resolving
this issue, and providing a post organs
10:36:03 for the board's consideration that would be adopted in conjunction with lifting the moratorium, and that was the selection that was made as we we go for it, and so we have done
that we've put a lot
10:36:13 of work in since then. But what it does mean, though, is that things are impress both in terms of our interaction with the planning commission and the consideration of the proposal
in that process, and also in regard to getting ready to implement
10:36:30 something that hasn't been adopted yet. and i'll talk a little bit more about that after Brian this is slide presentation.
10:36:38 But we have essentially been working not only on the policy that we want the Board to consider to put into place in early October, but also working on, trying to implement that
policy, getting completely ready for it, understanding that it actually could look a little different
10:36:52 from what we're talking about now because of those processes that haven't been completed planning commission process and then process, because, of course, you want a change,
or to go in a different direction, preparing for contingencies, if you will
10:37:07 at the same time that we're working on the policy and it has been a challenge in that regard.
10:37:12 But we're you're feeling pretty good about where we're at.
10:37:16 We have collaborated with other departments, including most specifically environmental health, other public works as well, because they have permits as part of the development
process just like we.
10:37:26 Do, but they have specific ones like Of course the septic permit application and a road approach from public work.
10:37:32 So. So how Brian? get together with that that slide show right now.
10:37:36 I just wanted to give sort of the opening statement about where we're at
10:37:40 The point. Planning commission process is underway. There was a duly noticed hearing that occurred last week, Wednesday evening, and then the hearing itself was continued to
this coming Thursday evening, and then, after the hearing is closed.
10:37:58 There will be the deliberation for the planning commission and we're all hoping that that I think plan commissioners included, hoping that that's concluded by this Thursday
evening meeting which would then allow us
10:38:10 to gather that that recommendation, and then provide it jointly with the planning commission on Monday next week.
10:38:20 So in a week from now we want to have a workshop with the board to go into more detail where we're at in the process.
10:38:25 So this is kind of an introduction and then we're certainly can answer any questions today.
10:38:30 At this morning's agenda session here. but we'll also have a workshop next Monday, and then following that public hearing before the board another week for the board to consider
the proposal and to make it decision on the first Monday of october so that's essentially how it
10:38:49 lays out. And then, Brian, you want to pull up that slide show so that we can see the see how it looks on spelled out.
10:38:56 Yes, just wanted to check my mic. Can everybody hear me
10:39:04 Hey? i'm sharing my screen and I have one more test to make sure that i'm shared the correct screen.
10:39:11 I'm just toggling the Slides back and forth here Okay.
10:39:19 Good morning Chair Eisenhower and members of the Board Record.
10:39:23 I am Brian Benjamin, assistant Planner with Department of community development, and today's presentation will provide a summary of the proposed legal lot of record regulations
and request approval of a notice of public hearing for
10:39:36 September 20, sixth, hearing before the board on the same regulations. Okay.
10:39:45 So the proposed amendments include a new chapter to the Unified Development Code, chapter 1812, and identifies corresponding changes to 2 existing chapters, chapters, 1835,
and 1810 and Jefferson County code, which resp.
10:40:00 amend boundary line adjustment provisions and udc's, definitions based on the new processes and protocols of 1812.
10:40:09 The addition. The proposal also introduces a site development review process to chapter 1840 Jccc.
10:40:18 That accompanies the legal out of record. Determination is the issued determination of non significance. With Dns for the proposed amendments.
10:40:29 The Dns found the proposed changes to the Udc.
10:40:33 Were unlikely to have adverse environmental impacts and relied on.
10:40:36 See the documents adopted by reference to make this determination has noticed in the public notice before.
10:40:44 For the public hearing, for the planning commission
10:40:52 Review of the 2018 Jefferson Accounting Conference Plan, DCD.
10:40:54 Found that the proposed user Udc amendments were in confformance with a variety of comprehensive plan goals and policies.
10:41:01 3 goals and 5 policies were identified showing that the amendments meet the plan's vision for environmental protection housing and land use in rural areas.
10:41:11 Most prominently the proposed Udc. Amendments meet expectations for DCD.
10:41:17 To complete a research task identified by land use, policy value. P.
10:41:25 20.3 which defines that the Department should analyze historical subdivisions in Jefferson County to define processes for legal lots of record certifications and define valid
plats in rural and urban
10:41:37 areas
10:41:41 Okay moving on to our proposal before we get into that. There's a couple of items of background information pertaining to our proposed changes, and one is a fundamental change
from the moratorium to the ordinance
10:41:59 that the pre 1971 date will no longer be the bright line in determining legal out of record status. ECD.
10:42:08 Determined that post august eleventh, 1,969 subdivision regulations at the State level.
10:42:15 We're not substantively different from september seventh, 1971 regulations that were implemented at the local level.
10:42:24 Thus: post August eleventh, 1969 plants are presumed to substantially meet all requirements outlined by the 1971 regulations.
10:42:34 So this 2 reduces the total number of plots affected by the permanent regulations, by total hate
10:42:46 They're also 2 key terms that should be clarified for further, first, the term a lot of record, and then the term legal lot of record.
10:42:57 These terms derive from State law, and appear similar, but mean 2 different things.
10:43:03 A lack of record refers to any lot created in compliance with subdivision regulations at the time of its creation, which would, which has been recorded, approved, or recognized
by local government.
10:43:17 Essentially it's legal creation is verified the purpose of establishing whether a lot of record excuse me whether a lot is a lot of record is to ensure that property is both
legal and conveyable.
10:43:35 Illegal out of record, refers to a property that has been deemed eligible for development, meaning that the local government has evaluated a variety of factors affecting the
property, and has determined whether it can be legally
10:43:48 built on local governments, have the ability to define criteria by which lots can be considered legally eligible for development.
10:44:00 Editor, and a determination of legal lot status allows the property owner to submit development, permit applications for the property
10:44:12 So Jcc: 1812 outlines. When a lot of record can be considered illegal out of record.
10:44:24 First the lot can be considered eligible for development if the lock meets the zoning standards.
10:44:28 So a lot within the rural residential one to 5 zoning designation that is, at least 5 acres in size would meet criteria for legal audit record standards would meet the criteria,
leave a lot of record a
10:44:42 substandard vot, meaning any lot that is smaller, then the lot size indicated by its zoning may still be considered eligible for development.
10:44:52 If it meets the exceptions identified in 1,812, 7 0 sub, 4, or the criteria of the reasonable economic use process process is identified in 1,812 8 0 So let's
10:45:10 get a little bit more into these exceptions. these are kind of a broad stroke overview of what the exceptions entail.
10:45:21 The actual language provides a little bit more minutia and detail on how these standards apply.
10:45:29 But essentially any lot of record properly platted on or after august eleventh, 1969 will be accepted and considered illegal on the record. any of that has already been approved
for residential use by
10:45:43 the county any lot that's part of the lammard or in Rvc.
10:45:50 Zoning. they're essentially one of the same provided the live meets environmental health standards, meaning that it can provide sewage, disposal and portable water.
10:46:00 Similarly loss located within the Iron Dale and Port headlock.
10:46:05 Ega boundaries will be considered legal lots of record provided that the lot can meet sewage and probable watered standards, and then owners of contiguous substandard lots can
aggregate they're combined
10:46:20 lots to meet zoning standards to the greatest extent possible.
10:46:25 And so in those situations a lot owner can aggregate their lots through lot.
10:46:30 Consolidation make several adjacent lots, one single lot, to the maximum extent press, practicable, based on what they own
10:46:44 If a lot cannot meet those exceptions, we've created Another process. reasonable economic use processes to pursue development, right and legal out of record determination, 1812,
8, 0 defines 2 reasonable economic use processes available to applicants the
10:47:05 first is for the individual properties, and a second process of it is available for determination of a whole plot or part of the plant.
10:47:16 All of months. The 2 processes share similar approval standards which again generally include confirmation from the Department of Environmental Health.
10:47:26 The proposed suicide disposal and water supply are adequate to won't cause degradation.
10:47:32 The property is served with adequate ingress egress.
10:47:36 The property has adequate drainage facilities.
10:47:39 The lot is directly adjacent to existing to an existing lock tractor parcel with residential development.
10:47:49 Proposed development will not adversely affect public safety and welfare.
10:47:55 Proposed development will not increase risk of flooding degradation to critical areas or species.
10:48:05 Where natural resources the development is the minimum necessary to allow for reasonable economic use of the property.
10:48:11 This meets minimization standards of the shoreline master program and critical areas.
10:48:15 Ordinance. if the project were adjacent to, or overlapping with the critical terrier or its buffer, and then recognition of lots.
10:48:26 Would not that impact forestry resources? This is an application of existing forcery resource, setbacks, and Jccc.
10:48:34 1,815
10:48:39 So in order to effectively implement the legal out of record determination process, DCD.
10:48:45 Staff recommends requiring a determination prior to all development perm applications in the county, meaning that we would be checking for legal lot of record status as the
first step for any new development permit application received by DCD.
10:49:00 And that we add a site development review process, to provide some assurance that development, eligibility, and build a ability coincide.
10:49:09 That's explain that a little bit further, so under the currently drafted.
10:49:18 Excuse me under the language that we initially proposed to the planning commission.
10:49:24 A. The parcel that was legally created and conformed to zoning standards would absolutely be considered a legal out of record that's eligible for development under the exceptions
of 1,812
10:49:39 7 0 sub 4. However that parcel may or may not access be developable based on site conditions, it may be within a high risk Channel migration zone entirely.
10:49:54 Or there may be seismic conditions for wetland conditions that would prevent development of the site.
10:49:59 So we result in a situation where we're certifying a lot as legally eligible for development.
10:50:07 The potentially confusing applicants upon Development Review with illegal out of determination that confirmed eligibility.
10:50:15 But site conditions that prevent development from actually occurring, or may prevent development from actually occurring.
10:50:23 So we recommend a site development review process that would review site conditions for all lots as a part of the legal out of record determination process and match.
10:50:35 This legal? the eligibility question with an assessment of actual buildability on site.
10:50:42 Hey, Brian, i'm i'm wondering if you want Do you want us to hold questions until the end of the presentation?
10:50:50 We're about near the end but I don't mind answering questions.
10:50:53 We go along. Hi, there! it's okay you go ahead.
10:50:57 I just I will need you to go back to slides to reference, so that I get your language correct.
10:51:03 And this is a graphic representation of the process that we're proposing we're starting with legal out of record determination as a part of review for all lots prior to development
permit applications being accepted once
10:51:20 very receive the legal out of record Determination application we may filter out some lots that we're not legally created.
10:51:29 And so this is our lot of record, the term determination establishing whether a lot was legally created.
10:51:36 We expect some lots to be illegally created and filtered out and not given legal a lot of record status at this point.
10:51:47 For all lots of record. There are 2 groups there's conforming lots, and so standard lots.
10:51:54 Conforming lots again refers to zoning that currently it refers to zoning.
10:52:00 In the future we may have a minimum lot size requirements, maybe even particularly as a part of urban growth area planning that kind of thing.
10:52:09 But right now the Udc. does not identify a land use base minimum wage requirement.
10:52:17 So we would have conforming lots. according to zoning, they would be granted legal out of record status, then substandard fox.
10:52:26 Either those that meet the exceptions of 1,812, 7, 0 sub 4, where those needing to go through the reasonable economic use processes in 1812 8, 0, and then for those going through
the reasonable economic use
10:52:42 processes, there will be those that meet the provisions and those that do not.
10:52:47 Does that meet the prison provisions will be granted legal out of record status, and as a part of the kind of former 2 processes for conforming lots and accepted lots.
10:53:00 There'll be this site Development review process that we're proposing, and the result is that all lots that are seeking development permits will be reviewed for league, a lot
of record status and then have a
10:53:17 corresponding side assetment, identifying any land use.
10:53:23 Constraints and environmental health concerns iterations ahead of the development permit application
10:53:34 Okay again. our timeline of course we have Today's meeting, and then our next meeting is a September fifteenth special meeting with the planning Commission at 5 30 Pm This continuation
of the September
10:53:48 seventh public hearing. If the september nineteenth Board of County Commissioner's workshop at 1 30, as a preparation meeting for the September 26 public hearing, we have the
public hearing that's a
10:54:00 typical hearing on September. 20 Sixth and then potential to extend that hearing to October third at the board's discretion, and that's the end of this introduction.
10:54:18 Happy to take questions. Okay, everybody's looking at me Okay,
10:54:23 Thanks for I mean, obviously been working really hard on this.
10:54:30 And I I love this stuff, and spent a lot of time with it last night, and said no, that we might see some changes to it.
10:54:37 Next time it comes back. But few questions rangeman going back to the the kind of flow charts.
10:54:45 Yes, Okay, thank you. So if if a parcel goes through the reasonable economic use option there, does that mean that it would not go through the site development review process
at all?
10:55:06 The reasonable economic use process. It includes all of the Site Development Review processes So they're separate in the sense that there will be a different set of criteria.
10:55:18 For, you know, health, welfare, safety, a different verification process.
10:55:21 Well, the Site Development Review is more of the true just land use review with some input from environmental health.
10:55:29 There's some additional criteria for reasonable economic use that Aren't included inside development Review.
10:55:36 But everything. it's a part of site, development review is a part of the reasonable economic use process.
10:55:42 Okay, Gotcha, and I really like the site development review process that you've outlined.
10:55:46 So I think it's going to be very helpful for property owners or project proponents to get a better sense, you know, up front of what is possible on their land. I'm!
10:56:00 I'm do you if you don't mind going back a couple of slides.
10:56:03 I'll tell you when to stop and the may this one Yeah, may or sorry one forward may or may not actually be developable based on sites.
10:56:14 Conditions. i'm Curious kind of what you can help me understand at what point in a property owners planning efforts would they be coming to coming to you?
10:56:33 So i'm Curious, for example, I mean I assume that this process will be taking into consideration the allowable uses under the underlying land.
10:56:46 Use correct and so i'm just curious you know something we hear a lot from our constituencies.
10:56:54 You know, if they come in wanting to know what is possible.
10:56:58 Not like here you have to, have all of your plans and we will give you a yes or no that it's it's very that's very limiting, because then if you say no then it's like okay back
to the
10:57:06 drawing boards like? what level of specificity would a property owner or project proponent have to have before going through
10:57:18 The Site Development Review. And how do we make it so that that is a useful tool and not a like. Bring me another rock.
10:57:24 Bring me another rock exercise. Yeah, I think I think our goal is to essentially have the Site Development Review conducted with just the requirements for the legal lot of record
determination.
10:57:42 And so, as a part of that process, the applicants are required to submit some paperwork, deed, and tax history, a fans of corresponding recorded documents like Platts, or unrecorded
plants, with approval
10:57:56 county, that sort of documentation of legal creation of the lot. And then, whether they're going through the reasonable economic use process, the supplemental application for
that process, it really depends on site conditions.
10:58:09 But essentially we're doing this ahead of any specific site planning Ideally, people are coming to us first, and we're conducting the Review without any particular proposal
in mind.
10:58:24 They may indicate land use. So if they're wanting to especially a residence with the cottage industry.
10:58:30 That's something we might want to know up front because different standards may apply to that.
10:58:36 So they could indicate at at any point other intended uses of the property.
10:58:41 If residential wasn't the still use but I think for this process, where reviewing it for residential use, legal appeal to develop residents, and if they have other aspirations
for the property, they can identify them
10:58:55 as a part of this determination, but they wouldn't be bringing things like site plans to us.
10:59:02 Necessarily they could. So if I could jump in there just to supplement Brian for you, Commissioner Dean.
10:59:09 So in some ways it's a water I see it as a watershed moment for the county, and how we've done, how we process land, use application.
10:59:18 So some folks choose to come to DCD first and then go through a process to make sure that a parcel is developable, and that may include getting a shoreline permit or or even
a shoreline conditional user variance
10:59:32 for example, which is less easy to predict because the ultimate decision rests with another agency department of ecology, where there could be another case where there's wetland
in the corner of the property and people choose to delineate that
10:59:46 Wetland, in order to then make other plans, such as where to put a septic system, or where to put a house.
10:59:52 However, it's been my experience that many folks do it a different way, like they come in and get some basic information about a pro part.
11:00:02 But really the first door they go into with any kind of application is over.
11:00:07 In environmental health. They apply for a septic permit or they apply for a road approach over a public works, and then it gets routed to DCD.
11:00:15 To do a land use review, but oftentimes already. someone's invested a money into a septic design, hired someone to do design work for them, gone pretty far down that road.
11:00:27 Maybe even Doug test pits and sometimes those test bits are in places where perhaps they shouldn't have been dug, because it turns out to be wetland or punched in a road in
order to do that site clearing and so
11:00:38 forth. and it's created problems on the back end just both in terms of actually what happens on the ground, but also scheduling because we get a lot of phone calls, if you Will
and pressure from folks saying where's my permit
11:00:49 because because they've already arranged for the septic to be installed, or they've already arranged for the architect worked on the house, or they've already even have builders
lined up to do actual
11:01:00 building, even though some of these principle and you could say prerequisite type questions haven't been answered.
11:01:09 Yet. So, with a legal lot of record ordinance essentially putting people coming through community development, the first door we're thinking that the moment is right.
11:01:19 Together with the start of Enter Go, for example, and in consultation with our partners and environmental public Health and public works, to institute this more full on site,
Development review, or land use. Review or could have learners review consistency review goes by Many
11:01:34 names, perhaps, but really site development review process first, so that people can actually answer that question once.
11:01:42 A problem, you know, Are you eligible? then to apply for the next development Permit whether that's a septic system or a building permit, and the initial questions will already
be answered.
11:01:51 So. Yes, it'll be a different way of doing things and there'll be a little bit more time upfront.
11:01:56 But then, when it gets time to actually get that septic permit processed or building permit process, the land use component will already be handled.
11:02:03 And so those processes will have time saved in within those structures. So you won't have to the builders, for example, will be waiting around with their hammers ready to start
work, because the land use questions will have already been answered.
11:02:15 So it will be a big change for folks that is true and We're aware of that which is one of the reasons why we decided to to work with the planning commission to delay that process.
11:02:27 Another week and change so that they could continue the hearing and have more input there and then.
11:02:31 We have these dates set up in front of the board including another public hearing, to make sure we hear from folks, but I just wanted to put some extra emphasis on the fact
that this is a change.
11:02:42 But we feel like it's at the right time especially because if you think of all the lots that are left a bit to to build and unincorporated Johnson County many of those are some
of the harder cases and so the process in terms
11:02:54 of. I think your question of how long will that take so for an easy case it won't take very long at all. but for a case where you have a fairly small lot, and you really do
need to figure out where that Wetland is or really do
11:03:05 need to put in that Geotech report before you can decide where the appropriate places are to put a septic system in their house, then it will be delayed, but the delay will
be upfront before you invest
11:03:15 those other resources. Not later, when you're in the middle of your building from it process, I hope that clarifies and answers your question. Yeah.
11:03:23 You said earlier that you'd coordinated with public works in an environmental public health on this.
11:03:31 So if someone, if all this is put in place if someone would go to environmental public health or public works, they would have to prove that they've got a site development review
process completed, and that they have a legal lot that can be
11:03:46 developed before public works or environmental public health. what would accept their road approach, permit, or septic?
11:03:55 Is that right? That is right, Mark We especially with environmental public health, public health.
11:04:02 With respect to the septic application, we have discussed the public works about road approaches as well. but you know terms of the septic permit application, which is what
many folks have used as a as a way to vest really in Jefferson
11:04:14 county to to build a property. and as you know you can't really you can't invest a building permit without actually filing a building permit application.
11:04:22 So there's a sort of a I don't know misunderstanding is the right word.
11:04:27 But a way of using that tool that wasn't necessarily the right tool for the job.
11:04:29 And so we think this is the right tool of the job.
11:04:31 Now. so you wouldn't actually be able to submit a septic permit application yet.
11:04:37 But environmental public health will have a role in the Site Development review process.
11:04:43 But that role would be more akin to basic soils.
11:04:47 Testing, and not as much into the actual design of the septic system and all the details in in terms of actual placing. It'd be more like a building envelope process where first
we cut out any setbacks from neighboring
11:05:02 properties, such as forest practices, for example, forest lands, and other zoning considerations.
11:05:07 Then we go to clinical areas and establish all the appropriate buffers, and then you get into the soils analysis similar to what column county does when they call it a site.
registration.
11:05:18 Process. So environmental public health is looking at Comma County and other examples to figure out exactly what level of information they would require.
11:05:24 Exactly how many hours they think that would take and what the cost of that review would be.
11:05:28 Those are some details that we're working on right now as we're actually developing the policy and proposing the policy which again I hinted that before is one of the challenges
of this whole process, we want to roll this information
11:05:37 out to the public, but also with the understanding that It could change between now and the date of effectiveness, being in being early October.
11:05:47 And so it's been a little bit of a challenge in that regard.
11:05:49 But we have since we're working with our public information officer here at the county.
11:05:54 We've sent information to both of the papers the leader and the Pdn.
11:05:57 To see if they'll take us up on publishing some of this information.
11:06:01 We have other things that we're discussing in terms of getting the word out.
11:06:05 But that exactly would be the process that you just outline.
11:06:07 Mark that we would do this site the Site Development Review first, and then when that is it basically pictures like a almost like the the site plan and approval.
11:06:16 Advanced information used to be here in Jefferson County spans similar to that, but different not as much detail as those.
11:06:21 But you can actually, you basically have this approval. This is a site development review. Result that you then take and go to the next window, and you apply for your supplement
application.
11:06:31 And then it would be a lot smoother, because that work already will have already been done.
11:06:34 Can I ask a follow up question on that i'm just wondering.
11:06:39 So going through the site development process. if essentially invest a a property as developable, is that is that correct?
11:06:47 And that transfers with the sale, transfer the property sale the property to someone else.
11:06:53 So you can get the property ready. Yes, you can for the Septica.
11:06:57 Well, and it'll all fit and now you can buy this developable piece of land, and that as a lifetime of how long?
11:07:07 That investing great question there, Commissioner, brotherton and I would actually i'll i'll answer the question, and then ask Barbara to either just confirm exactly how I described
it, or to weigh in from a legal perspective so
11:07:20 the word vesting in Washington State is only applicable to actual applications, such as a building permit.
11:07:28 Application, a subdivision application. You vest to the rules that are in place on the day that you file that application and steam to be complete.
11:07:36 So we need to be careful with that particular term. But the legal lot of record determination we do think of as a permanent decision.
11:07:44 So. in other words, you only have to do that once you only have to make sure that you're law is a lot of record.
11:07:49 And then it's a legal lot of record meaning it's eligible for development.
11:07:54 So so that lasts forever. However, there is a county out there which is that if the rules change and you wait 2 years, 5 years, however long you wait to apply for a building.
11:08:06 Permit. Then you are taking a chance because some things could have changed.
11:08:09 An example would be The State health code right now is under review and scheduled for change is my understanding, and that could affect how much land area you need for a septic,
for a typical septic system.
11:08:23 So that is something that a property owner will take as a risk.
11:08:25 Now, if a property owner is ready to make that to develop, then the smartest move at that point.
11:08:31 So as soon as you finish the Site Development Review would be to file for the building permit.
11:08:35 But not everyone is in that position like you described. Some people might want to be doing due diligence on a property in order to sell it, So I guess it would be the closest
thing you could come to investing without actually
11:08:46 vesting you would, you would have the the answer basically, like a 90 95% answer right.
11:08:53 But with this specific caveat that you know, geez, the rules could change.
11:08:55 So be aware of those. But there are 2 processes there right and my I mean, and I'm a huge fan of the work that's been done, too.
11:09:03 So just to add to kate's comment I love the idea of separating that Development Review.
11:09:07 But so first you have to like i've got an old you know a 19 what a 1972 piece of property.
11:09:18 So first I need to apply to make it considered a lot illegal lot of record, or is everything after 19 September seventh, 1971.
11:09:29 With this draft automatically, that it's conforming a legal lot of record?
11:09:32 Or is that an application that i'm gonna have to do as a property honor?
11:09:39 So i'm gonna actually i'll defer back to Brian if he's got it Yeah, he's finding the slide right now.
11:09:44 So a person could come to the Department and say, All I want to do is make sure that my lock is a legal lot of record. So that is possible, and that would be a fairly simple
exercise. Especially for the condition that you just described most people we think are going
11:10:00 to want to take that next step as well. so it's really and parcel, if you will like most of the time, will be set up just to move right to the site development Review, which
is this prerequisite review a land
11:10:11 use review in order to get you ready to apply for the next permit.
11:10:14 Be that a septic permit or building permit, or a road approach permit.
11:10:18 But some people might not be in that category. so yes, you could do just the simple stand alone.
11:10:24 I just wanna make sure my lot is legal I mean that's good to hear.
11:10:27 So if I come in and say i'm ready to I wanna start designing my house.
11:10:32 So I want to do this development review, the first part of that would be establishment of a lead a lot of record. If that hadn't already been established right and then i've
get I go through my my development site development
11:10:45 review. and then what I just understood from you josh and Tell me if I misconstrued it is until state or local rules change, It's not vested because it's not a building application.
11:10:56 But it's kind of a review. process. that that has said you're ready to start your business application, and that will transfer ownership until the rules change.
11:11:10 Basically, but it's not invested. Yeah, that that result will be associated with the parcel just like we have other permit results associated with parcels.
11:11:21 The actual legal lot part will be recorded as well so that'll also run with the land.
11:11:29 So? Yes, the answer is, yes. would that just caveat?
11:11:34 That that was one of the things is my understanding. and you know there are others that have the more specific history on this question.
11:11:39 But one of the reasons why Jefferson County abandoned the Spad process or Site plan.
11:11:45 Approval. Advanced determination is issues around how long those lasted like they're originally meant to last a certain amount of time, and then people would file building permits
and then those would be extended and the property would change hands and
11:12:01 people's building plans would change and and this and that and and there was some some issues with with respect to consistency, with State law investing.
11:12:12 And again Barbara might have some more background on that particular question. But the bottom line is in Washington State.
11:12:16 If you want to fast, you have to apply for the permanent itself.
11:12:19 So this is a review, but it's not one of those standard permits that carries vesting with it like in Washington State law.
11:12:26 So so you get you get really far in the process and you'd be able to stay with a fair degree of confidence like this.
11:12:31 Parcel's been looked at and this is and and this is what you need to do in order to develop.
11:12:37 So sometimes the question will be easy. Oh, it's 5 acres and there's a wetland on the corner, but as long as your x number of feet away, you don't even have to really delineate
that you're
11:12:43 fine, and and the soils are great for septic, so that would be the easy example.
11:12:48 The hardware example would be, Oh, the plot you know you have 3 quarters of an acre, and even though it meets a lot of record.
11:12:54 You're gonna have to get this this other permit to make sure it's developable.
11:12:58 So here's where here's where you stand and this is what you need to do in order to figure figure out your next step in terms of exactly where to put that house and so forth.
11:13:06 So every parcel is going to have its own story.
11:13:07 In that case I think it's really exciting I don't know I've got i've got a bunch more questions, but I don't wanna I have a different line of question have you guys done an
analysis or back of the
11:13:20 napkin assessment of how much time this Site Development review process is going to add to the process?
11:13:26 Or is it actually gonna expediate the process? know. the most of the phone calls I get are from people saying, Why is this taking so long?
11:13:36 Is this: Yeah, Yeah, that's a great question commissioner eisenhower?
11:13:42 I don't we haven't with we don't have an analysis, I think that is able to to be a predictive model on this precisely which your first part of your question How long do you
think it will take that is
11:13:55 something. we're working right now in conjunction with our fee, our fee ordinance proposal, which is going to come to you shortly, so that that we think is fairly easy to predict
in terms of what the base
11:14:05 fee will be, and it will be pretty darn similar to what someone would pay right now for a critical areas review or a consistency review which incorporates many of the same elements.
11:14:16 So the base fee, we think, is going to be a reasonable fee that people actually would end up paying anyway, in the current process.
11:14:23 It's just a matter of when you do that and so I guess we'll I would argue that once all the wrinkles are ironed out, and then we're fully set up and we're go and this
11:14:36 includes a transition with energyv admittedly because in an ideal world. that transition would be very smooth, but it's fairly safe to assume that we're gonna run into some
issues along the way that
11:14:48 we're gonna have to resolve and it's hard to predict exactly how smooth that transition is going to be.
11:14:53 But let's just say after a period of time in which we we make a transition, save you know, starting next year, when the when everything's working smoothly, and the public and
access, that permitting information that's another advantage, as
11:15:05 well. So, instead of having to do, perhaps like a records request or what have you to try to find out what's been done on a parcel, someone's gonna be able to you know have
an account through the the public facing aspect of at
11:15:16 the Inner Gov platform and be able to find out a lot more information than they already can, even though I would say that there's a fair degree of information that someone can
find out about a personal right now.
11:15:26 But it'll be you know in in that regard a time server as well.
11:15:30 So I guess what i'm saying, is in an ideal world This time spent upfront will be well spent, and it will be the right time to do it, because then, later in the process you wouldn't
have to be either waiting for land
11:15:42 use review, and you're building permit application on your septic application, because it will have already been done.
11:15:47 So you don't have this sort of 2 different divisions on 2 different timelines, with different staffing needs interfering with that.
11:15:53 And that is the question the type of question that I get as well.
11:15:56 By the way, I get calls saying in particular my my builder is ready to move next week, what's the problem?
11:16:02 And so we really hoping to avoid that problem. and and and we believe strongly that this is part of, or in the spirit of, the regulatory reform policy that the Board adopted
several years ago.
11:16:13 I mean, we think this is the right time to do it.
11:16:15 Now will everyone agree with that perspective. I don't know some people might say, No, we don't like this because of X Y.
11:16:20 And Z. But we do believe that ultimately it'll be a time, saver.
11:16:25 But there. it is possible, too, though, that you know some parcels are just hard to build on, and whether you find that out later, or you find it out up front. It's still going
to be disappointing news to whoever is invested
11:16:34 in that parcel, or owns that parcel.
11:16:37 So. so I know we have a couple of administrative we have.
11:16:44 We have to make sure the hearing notice gets approved and sent to the leader.
11:16:48 Asap So we need to make sure that after we're done with this conversation, that that that gets done as soon as possible.
11:16:56 But we also have public comment is part of this agenda.
11:17:00 Item: colleagues, Do you have any other questions?
11:17:04 Before we move to public comment. I know Mr.
11:17:11 Breton, Are your questions gonna take up the remaining 13Â min i'll try to make them brief.
11:17:17 Okay, One is kind of a a comment. I I appreciate seeing more tracks changes in these.
11:17:24 Of course, 1812 is new, but as we come to a workshop and a hearing, I would appreciate you in kind of more tracking of the changes you know.
11:17:32 Maybe printing new, you know, like all of 1,812, and blue, and any other new definitions in blue.
11:17:38 Sometimes it's really hard to parse out what's additional, or or just already there.
11:17:44 So if that would be possible, that would be great. As I read it, I think there was an extra comma in 18.8 one F.
11:17:53 Where it said public, and then comma safety. But I think public safety is a compound now.
11:17:58 There and then my fundamental other questions and I can take these more up next week.
11:18:05 But i'm just wanna make sure that i'm understanding him correctly.
11:18:07 When I was reading it, it looked like platts before 1,937.
11:18:11 We're not up we're not able to have exceptions on them, and I was wondering if that was a correct understanding.
11:18:21 And why plast before 1937? weren't allowed and then is any platform after 1998 assumed to be a lot of legal record.
11:18:32 That's how I read it, and I was wondering if I was correct there and then.
11:18:36 My last comment is that some of the wax are hyperlinked, and some of them aren't, and I think consistency is important.
11:18:45 I'll stop there bye those are questions about the dates okay.
11:18:55 So this is Josh i'm gonna defer to Brian on the question.
11:19:00 About 1937, and perhaps Barbara, if necessary, for the legal background.
11:19:03 On that decision. So the 1937 date was identified because plants created prior to, I think it was June Ninth, 1937.
11:19:17 Did not go through any land Use Review at all prior to creation.
11:19:23 The 1937 subdivision regulations were the first land Use review regulations that applied to subdivision in the State of Washington.
11:19:34 So those pre 1,937 subdivisions were identified as being particularly difficult for land use conditions, and our her geospatial analysis is a part of the story map kind of affirms
that that these 19
11:19:51 37 plats are the most challenging in terms of critical areas that we had in accounting. and they have the smallest lot sizes typically associated with them.
11:20:03 And and those that were not substantially developed were Yeah.
11:20:11 Also exist in areas that are adjacent to forced land There's just a slew of difficulties with them.
11:20:17 I believe, though, that this most recent draft that we proposed actually included an alteration to just say that, and if any land area in common ownership that is greater than
5 acres or base density needed to be re
11:20:37 subdivided prior to 1,937.
11:20:40 Barbara, you. can kind of jump in here and I have the ordinance in front of me. So I think we're actually changing our approach to that 1937 date a little bit just to be more
simple and i'm more
11:20:52 elegant solution, but that was the justification for identifying the *.
11:21:00 Yeah, I. This question has come up repeatedly with the Attorney General's office over the years he's he or she have written a number of opinions that relate to the requirements
by the state
11:21:15 subdivision statute to have land subdivided in importance with the statute, and how that applies to lands that were basically divided before that time, either before 1937, or
after 1,937 but
11:21:31 before 1,937. And the Ag has basically said that local jurisdictions have a duty to regulate
11:21:42 These areas that are prior to 1937, because there was no land use, regulation whatsoever, and that more discretion can be applied between 1937, and 1969, because there was some
form of subdivision requirements even
11:22:01 though they were fairly rudimentary So this has to do with some provisions in the State Subdivision Act, that say that it's illegal to convey property that is not divided in
accordance with State law
11:22:17 so it's a thorny question as you Well, know that you know, because these areas have developed over time.
11:22:26 And what the Attorney General recommended was you know you you really have to look at these areas and determine you know what's the best way to deal with this landy situation
as it is today.
11:22:41 And to regulate what you can and also recognize people's personal property rights, or real property rights at the same time.
11:22:51 And so I think you know that's kind of where where these dates come from a lot.
11:22:57 We have a lot of pre- 1937 plots in Jefferson County.
11:23:01 They're sometimes known as paper plots. because basically somebody in Chicago drew a bunch of lines on a you know map and said, Here you go, you know, sell these lots. and So
you know We're living with those
11:23:16 the aftermath of that those actions way back then and we're just at this point, you know this ordinance is an attempt to provide a fair and even handed way of looking at the
these things and to help everybody move
11:23:32 on. Thank you very much. I can stop. we'll have lots more time with this I I have a lot of detail questions, too, but and it might change so I think we should take public comment
if there is any there's
11:23:50 anybody who's joined us in the zoom room this morning, and would like to make public comment on this topic.
11:23:59 The lots of record discussion. we've been having at this juncture. Please use the raise hand button at the bottom of your zoom screen, and I will open this session for public
comment.
11:24:12 Now if there's anyone interested doesn't look like there's likely going to be a surge of hands going up.
11:24:21 But a lot of people,
11:24:35 I'll leave public comment open for a few minutes. but are there other questions that either of you have.
11:24:40 Do you want to ask? i'm not sure if anyone answered my other question about?
11:24:44 I also read it look like app that's. the been established after 1998 are kind of assumed to be lots of legal record.
11:24:52 Was that an accurate reading? Okay, yes, it meets this exception that I have pulled up here a lot of record properly platted on, or after August eleventh, 1969 meets the exception
and
11:25:04 I I mean, I know that this this all this work started because we were trying to close this very loophole that we're talking about, and I guess, as I as we cope with the housing
crisis, i'm just wondering is
11:25:15 this a loophole that has some advantages and that's really. I'll just you know put it out There is do a lot some of these paper plats would they help us with the missing middle
that's a real crisis right
11:25:28 now in in Jefferson County. so there's no real question there just yeah, we have some initial analysis that we did on on real estate market activity in these historic plants
that we'll present next week at the
11:25:42 workshop. Great thank you so i'm not seeing any hands go up with questions on this agenda item.
11:25:55 So I will close public comment on this topic. and I think we can.
11:26:01 Let you guys go to get you a cochlear, We can ask one more question, though, and that is, is is the timeline really realistic? It seems like we're really tight, is september
26, The actual date that you guys
11:26:12 want. so the September 20 sixth State for a public hearing before the Board is intended to.
11:26:22 Then, have you consider the proposals for potential action? On the first Monday of October?
11:26:28 I think October third, and that would be right in line with when the moratorium expires. So it's all set up essentially action to happen in conjunction with the moratorium expiration.
11:26:41 Just like we. We talked about a month and a half ago. or so just again, sort of in an idealized world. If we didn't have that moratorium to to deal with.
11:26:50 Then we we could talk about having action taken and then the regulations taking effect in 30 or 60 days. but that's not the world.
11:27:00 We're living in right now, so we're doing the best we can with getting ready to implement the the the new regs as soon as they're adopted, and also explains a little bit of
this overlap and just for just to make
11:27:14 sure we're clear on that. so on August twenty-fourth.
11:27:18 Actually in early in August we provided the planning commission with an initial draft, so they've had time to look at it.
11:27:23 August 20 fourth we noticed a hearing before the planning commission.
11:27:29 To the public, and that commit that hearing would take place 2 weeks from then.
11:27:33 So that proposal was out on the table, and then, when it came time last week, 2 do the hearing.
11:27:39 We introduced additional changes. Another version essentially I mean we've been working on the interim, and really was less about what 1812 holds that new chapter and more about
how it fits into the rest of the unified development.
11:27:52 Code, we realize we had to change a few other things, and we also were working at that point, collaborating with environmental public the public works about how to actually
implement this.
11:28:00 So admittedly, you know, there were some additions made, but from a policy standpoint not so much of a substantive change in the direction we were heading, or like the details
on how it What the language is gonna look like.
11:28:11 So we realized that that was a factor but since then it's you know.
11:28:18 Been available to both the planning commission and all the public engage in that planning commission process.
11:28:22 Been on the way up available. and now it's certainly part of your packet, who is interested?
11:28:27 You have a copy of that it's gonna be this Thursday after a notice in the paper on Wednesday about the planning commission special meeting There'll be a here.
11:28:35 The hearing will be continued this thursday with the planning commission. they'll then deliberate on it, and hopefully we'll get that recommendation to you along with the staff
recommendation.
11:28:44 Maybe it'll be one of the same maybe it'll vary we'll see next Monday at the workshop, and that'll give you another week to just have that stuff have a conversation come up
with more questions i'm
11:28:52 sure you have more questions, and we'd be happy to spend as much time with you answering those.
11:28:57 And then you're hearing on the following Monday the last Monday in the month, and then another week to decide so hopefully, even with a compressed schedule that's gonna be time
to to resolve some issues to answer some questions
11:29:08 to go in a different direction. if that's where we're going to go, and so forth.
11:29:11 Well, I really appreciate your ability to yeah to stick to it.
11:29:15 And I I do think, as you said, josh that this is from all of you really good work in the regulatory reform proclamation that we've been making.
11:29:22 So I really I really appreciate the the direction that you guys have chosen.
11:29:27 So don't worry I wasn't gonna excuse them before we took action.
11:29:29 That was just my preamble to action so I was about to ask one of you if you would be willing to make a motion, i'd be happy to make a motion to set the public hearing for September
2620 22 for consideration of
11:29:44 2 ordinances amending the Udc. to adopt a new chapter.
11:29:47 18 point, 12 legal, a lot of record determination. new article, 8 to chapter, 1818 point, 40, and changes to 1835, 60, 70, and 80, and any other changes that are
11:30:02 The come between now and then i'll second all in favor hi!
11:30:08 Okay. passes unanimously and karen's reminding me you have to send it to the paper asap.
11:30:18 Yeah, Brian will take care of that thank you so much We're on that.
11:30:21 We're on that train with you on that deadline train Thanks.
11:30:30 So much.
11:30:30 Okay, we're rolling right into our next timed agenda.
11:30:37 Item at 1130 regarding discussion and possible potential action. regarding an agreement amendment, 3 with chickade forestry for Jefferson County sustainable forestry program.
11:30:47 And so we'll need to bring mallory over Nope
11:30:59 Good morning, Good morning. So i'm assuming that you guys had a chance to review the agenda items.
11:31:11 For this I did make a number of changes to the scope of work with Mallory.
11:31:14 She had a chance to look at those, and gave a 2 thumbs up, marked it.
11:31:18 A final review for consistency and typos so i'm, wondering if there are any questions regarding we've had a lot of conversations about this scope of work, wondering if you guys
have any further conversation or
11:31:36 questions final timeline? I ended up being confused are we Still, we're still talking november 14, and then we're Are we talking about completing this?
11:31:49 And now external analysis by January still is that properties with management objective outlines. Yes, by the end of January 2023 love it.
11:32:05 Yeah. And at that point, then we might consider meeting a task force.
11:32:09 Right? Yeah. Okay. After the analysis is reported, Commissioners will look to Con meeting a task force in collaboration with chicken d forestry and their team of advisors to
develop a proposal for Dnr and that was
11:32:20 added, Yup, Yup, Mallory, do you have anything you wanna add?
11:32:29 Nope. I think that all makes sense to me it's great. So just have more clarity around this process, moving forward because it is a big project.
11:32:35 So thank you for that. Yeah. And thank you all for your work on it.
11:32:42 Yeah, we have, if there aren't any other questions we have public comment listed for this agenda item as well.
11:32:53 I am going to open public comment unless anyone gives me any reason to stop doing that. I'm opening public comments.
11:33:02 So if anybody would like to comment on our work to develop and update Jefferson County sustainable forestry program, you can raise your hand using the raise hand button at the
bottom of the zoom.
11:33:17 Screen. see the staff phone number there. So anybody wishing to make public comment on our update to the county sustainable forestry program, not seeing any hands go up
11:33:38 So I appreciate all the work that an input it's challenging I'm.
11:33:45 I'm learning my way through it, but of having our opportunities to have conversations about this be so kind of spuratic, and and then also opportunities to talk with Mallory
and with Mark about it.
11:33:55 But I feel like we're have a much clearer double work, and a much clear sense of what to expect going forward.
11:34:05 And guess what. entertain a motion to approve.
11:34:12 This amended agreement of tickete forestry. Are you ready to move forward?
11:34:16 Greg: Yup satisfied. yeah, no, thank you for responding to the the concerns.
11:34:21 I think it's a much improved need to I'm happy to make a motion to approve the amendment Number 3 as presented the professional services agreement with chickadee Forestry llc
all in favor
11:34:37 Aye, okay, that passes unanimously. Thank you. Mallory.
11:34:42 Leslie Leslie we're taking public comments,
11:34:57 Thanks, Maria to working with you and that's that.
11:35:03 Let's get a couple on the calendar so we can talk about next steps sounds great alright.
11:35:09 I'll be in bye. bye bye So do we want to continue with briefing.
11:35:18 Yeah, I can look at. Last week it was a short week. People that never go to the bathroom
11:40:46 Yeah.
11:40:52 Okay, our recess is over. Hope everyone had fun on the jungle gem.
11:40:59 Okay, We were gonna pick up where we left off with briefing, which was me and I was.
11:41:02 I just said it was a short week, which it was so I on was with the you on Tuesday.
11:41:13 We all have said that. and then on Tuesday evening I had the Mrc.
11:41:17 Meeting, and was able to confirm with them that we do not have a Charlotte an updated to land master program, and DCD.
11:41:27 Is still not heard from ecology, so it's in the States wheelhouse, and there's no real update there which is, I feels problematic to me.
11:41:39 But I guess it is part for the course. the other thing that DCD.
11:41:43 Updated me on is that they we're able to get the consultants under contract to do the 2 Grants that they're they received on the shoreline user guide and the sea level rise
to civil rights projects at DCD:
11:41:58 was undertaking. So, Josh, let me know that they I have consultants working on those 2 projects.
11:42:05 Now, which is great. And then Rci asked for more details about those 2 projects.
11:42:11 So I'm going to get them those before the next meeting and then
11:42:20 Wednesday was our day without Internet in the courthouse.
11:42:21 I did a lot of administrative tasks in the morning, and met with some staff
11:42:29 And then went to the State Artist Audit Conference for the county, and then
11:42:37 Entrance conference, and then whisks to the Jefferson transit authority for the exit Conference for their State audit.
11:42:45 So. It was a very oddity afternoon, and had They had a very clean audit, and the gentleman who did the audit because just kept saying, it can be better than this.
11:42:55 And so congratulated them profusely, and spend some time hung out with them afterwards.
11:43:00 It was one. Most of them was like the first time i'd ever seen one person so still still makes me still feel like the new girl, for sure, when it's like i've never seen you
in person before.
11:43:13 The pandemic rolls on Thursday.
11:43:17 Did a agenda prep. with Mark, and then Thursday afternoon went out and join the Legislature.
11:43:27 Legislative outdoor recreation caucus with rewriting.
11:43:34 Ruea View, were you and Bacchus? and then thereanger was also there.
11:43:38 We toured a few sites, including each day Carol and looked at the jump playground, which, as we all will remember, was number 2 on the Rco.
11:43:46 Wwrp local parks list in the last biennial round, and it's looking great coming right along.
11:43:55 It's quite exciting, and I was thrilled to find out there's actually going to be a functional. Mary.
11:44:00 Go round. As I mentioned,
11:44:09 Yeah, and there is There used to be a metal one at Chats and Moca.
11:44:14 That was one of my favorite things in in Port town, said So we started there and then we went and did kind of a odt overview tour at Anderson like State Park, and they talked
about how they're gonna turn
11:44:30 Anderson Lake Park into more of a trail head for bike users and try and take energy and intention away from the lake, which we we know is all toxic.
11:44:42 And so that's state parks is intention and plan, and seems like there's a lot of excitement about that.
11:44:50 And I'm was glad to see representative thereins are there, and cause I worked with Hamilton 2 sessions ago to get that chunk of money in there for the parks to do the planning
within stay Anderson like
11:45:03 State Park. so it was fun to hear what they've been planning And then we headed out to Discovery Bay to the Yeah. was it State Park saying, that that is their plan to have moved
towards the trail head
11:45:18 not a trail head, but more of a trail focused park. Okay.
11:45:22 So it was coming from State Park and then we headed out to a Discovery Bay and parked at the south end of the little section of paved ott down there, and had a presentation
that talked a lot about
11:45:44 the restoration of Discovery Bay and Rebecca, Benjamin and Jerry scal for their
11:45:52 And it was interesting because they didn't have Rebecca slotted to be a pre presenter as part of that presentation, and I was like, I try.
11:46:00 I leaned over, and I said to the dfw person, I said, really should have her do the presentation, cause she did all the work, you know.
11:46:08 So she did a great presentation, and Ww. was able to thread in really nicely, and it was a a nice visit to that site.
11:46:17 Everyone was commenting on this in your store Yeah, that's one more fish and wildlife question.
11:46:27 Yeah, were you at Anderson like parked and fishing wildlife? Talking about the lake is fishing. A lot of wet, right?
11:46:32 Same part is let's take parks late Oh, okay, but it's probably over what's regulatory.
11:46:44 Thing with you that said years ago it was fishing wildlife and things with the algae in there should be pretty.
11:46:50 Yeah, it's considered a natural species well and they did report that they had done some coreing and and testing for the algae, and they found that the algae was there before
people were here like it went over a 100
11:47:05 years back, yeah, So native toxic algae that somehow somehow got stirred back up.
11:47:17 Oh, so yeah, good. The blooms weren't as prevalence and and 50 years ago.
11:47:23 But the Allergy is always good it's always been there at least it's been there track back to a 100 more than 100 years ago.
11:47:32 Okay, But even in 25 years i've lived here, it's become so much more frequent.
11:47:43 The yeah, yeah yeah I don't know if that's even in the last 20 or temperature.
11:47:47 Yeah. right. sounds something. Something caused it to release fun. And then on Friday morning I joined back up with the the Cockass at Fort Warden, and we had a big round table
discussion about the upcoming Session, and it
11:48:08 was productive and interesting. There was a there was a presentation by someone from the Forest Service on planning process.
11:48:16 They've been doing what it was sorry it was.
11:48:26 Yeah, like kind of are they doing a strategic plan for the thing we talked about?
11:48:32 Greg, you were gonna maybe engage with the planning process.
11:48:37 Oh, yeah, the rack yeah I mean I I applied and never heard back, and didn't didn't never follow up.
11:48:44 Well, yeah, and they didn't have leadership yeah for some time so hopefully, that's changing, thanks Bye.
11:48:58 So then, I there's been a lot of we had a straight ern legislative task force meeting middle of Friday, and you know there's been a lot of conversation as I've mentioned before,
about the administrative the fiscal sponsorship
11:49:15 of the straight ern and in Odc. raise their hand to take that on, and it's become a lot more complicated to transfer that administrative oversight.
11:49:27 So I'm meeting with Kara tomorrow and in our Dc.
11:49:32 Tomorrow to talk about, and Karen tomorrow to talk about the transfer of of that admirative oversight.
11:49:39 But it seems like it's gonna be really challenging so I hadn't heard that.
11:49:43 Yeah, they're considering whether it would be more efficient to make care of an employee of Nodc.
11:49:50 So that's part of the conversation versus the contractor so there's there's solutions in the works, but it's It's the Federal contracting requirements kick in for this contract
and karen and I think
11:50:05 Karen and neither of them realize that working on that tomorrow. and then in the loop or karen can just share the Dc. So it'd be good to know it's yeah, And then behavioral
health
11:50:18 advisory committee kind of coordination, for we have a meeting tomorrow, so we are planning.
11:50:24 Mark and I had a planning meeting with anna about the funding levels for this year, and then kind of we're gonna have a kind of a future discussion about membership terms.
11:50:39 Were very real So I think we're recommending around 750,000, and funding for behavioral health this year.
11:50:50 Yeah, you guys extended all last year. you did I seriously understand?
11:51:03 Oh, okay, yeah, there's a there's a significant balance. Oh, gosh, it cause I mean it's 1 10 to 1% there, too. So like 6 50 is the revenue here.
11:51:06 It's still one tenth of 1% sales tax right?
11:51:09 I mean it should be the same amount if it's 1 10 to 1%.
11:51:16 That's just You know they're bringing shorthand that I use to bring it in about 750.
11:51:22 Yeah, I think we budget conservative, budget and it has been It's come in over 700,000 for the last couple of years, I believe.
11:51:29 Hmm! And then I mentioned that we've attended with Mark the 9, 11 memorial, and I I just I love our clock tower, and it was a great way to use it in to they did they
11:51:45 they struck the numbers of strikes for the people who would passed away. The 2 applause.
11:51:59 9 was 7 and then last night along with Commissioner Brotherson.
11:52:08 But we were at separate tables, not talking about county business.
11:52:10 We attended the farmers market dinner. adds white lotus farm, and it was fun to see that farm.
11:52:16 A couple of years down the road, last time and fun to hear from those farmers out there, and kind of the progress of our our little farmers market, which is now 30 years old,
and I hear it's gonna go through Christmas this
11:52:31 year. Yep. I think they have the last couple of years
11:52:41 Way that's great wow hmm! so that takes us up to when I got out of bed this morning about
11:52:53 I. and then I mean, not on the calendar, but started having conversations.
11:52:57 We. we all get these emails from Wassack, asking us to be on committees or consider committees.
11:53:02 And started talking to Kate about potentially putting my hat in the ring for the Federal Issues Committee, or sub subgroup whatever they call that it's not really a committee.
that it's a work group and I think
11:53:14 i'm going to pursue that if I don't know what you learned about your tenure as chair of I still haven't heard back
11:53:24 So that's my plan on that and then what else happened last week.
11:53:29 I felt like a lot happened, even though it was a short week.
11:53:38 One
11:53:39 Why don't you wanna look yeah the number of things that I did have already been covered?
11:53:50 The inference conference for the auditor it's interesting that they've done a lot of audit work already.
11:53:57 And then we have the entrance I think you saw the news that our implementation of the unus got very high marks from the auditor, and and that's a rare thing.
11:54:07 And so that's something that we need to celebrate that they've been continuing to ask questions about our arpa implementation.
11:54:16 You know what we spent the money on, how we determine various things being eligible, and so on, and then let's see.
11:54:27 On Wednesday it was a short week i'm glad we're back to Hybrid meetings by the way.
11:54:31 On Tuesday I went out and visited with
11:54:33 Danny Mac and Ernie, but a new fair manager and got to learn about their plans.
11:54:41 I'm pretty impressed that the hospital is gonna invest hundreds of thousands, and and to the to the commercial kitchen there
11:54:53 And he is so excited hands were in the air about that yeah, he stopped me on the side of the road.
11:54:58 Just say the same. the hospital can vacate. that facility.
11:55:06 Then all that equipment and all the improvements, to the fair grounds, which is great, and and Danny and the the fair board have plans for that facility.
11:55:18 Once the hospital leaves the ground. So a lot of innovative thinking going on out there, and I I was asked a question about that.
11:55:25 East Jefferson, Little League, and the little piece that they they have.
11:55:32 I inquired with, Matt tyler and he found an agreement that he gave me this morning.
11:55:37 I haven't yet read it. but i'll share it with you Kate.
11:55:40 I think you're the one that had the question about that and I learned that they had a 1,000 campers there for the thing festival 1,000 campers at the bare ground.
11:55:51 That's what danny said wow
11:55:55 And I think they were paid 20,000 for that What else here?
11:56:04 So i'm continuing a conversation with one of the Central services candidates that pulled his application I'm still trying to get him to throw his hat back in the ring.
11:56:18 And then we had a meeting to to plan out the interview schedule on September twentieth for the 2 candidates that we have.
11:56:24 So We're We're ready for that and then I spent a little bit of time with Josh Peters and Jodi Adams over the DCD.
11:56:35 Just doing you know it. Temperature check on the department. very, very valuable conversations I had there and then, I mean meaning the brand to do for the download for him.
11:56:49 And I I plan on attending the retreat that they have.
11:56:52 At the end of the month, and then Friday was kind of a an open day, had some meetings with staff, did some budget work, and then, of course, I don't know who schedules meetings
at 4 15 on a Friday
11:57:04 afternoon, and to talk about behavioral health funding for next year.
11:57:12 The next 2 years. Actually, I did that on friday afternoon meeting 2, 4, 4 o'clock, talking to someone about the sewer out in Mexico, and they were on vacation time.
11:57:24 That was
11:57:28 That it mark well that's 1157, and I know that Are you going to wasteack today?
11:57:39 Yeah, it's broadband is the topic yes, Oh, I can probably go
11:57:58 Cool. Thank you for the heads up. sure. I and I tended mostly.
11:58:01 Just listen in for additional awareness but it's a break is important.
11:58:09 We're just about to return
11:58:17 I was at 1130, but it was very brief. We really.
11:58:20 We just approved the contract as as it was presented today with the small changes.
11:58:27 So sorry about that. Good to see, though. yeah so i'll i'll recess us until 1 30.
13:29:49 Okay, that running yet I always Say that and Then I realize It's not quite running yet.
13:30:18 Okay. Looks like it looks like av capture is running, so I will call us back to order, and we have one item on our agenda this afternoon, which is a workshop on courthouse.
13:30:33 Security. There will be a public comment period after our discussion, and like to welcome Jen More, Andy Pernsteiner and our dear Sarah.
13:30:45 Hi!
13:30:49 Who's kicking this one off alright commissioners.
13:30:56 I'll share my screen, and this is going to be a powerpoint, and once I share it.
13:31:02 I don't know if I can yeah I can't go to presentation mode, and if I go to presentation mode, then I can't share it because it anyway, I you need multiple monitors and that
to be able to
13:31:16 do that. but hopefully the public can see the slides.
13:31:20 In this mode. So today, commissioners were having a second workshop on courthouse security, i'll remind the Board that in May Staff requested permission to issue an Rfp a request
for proposals
13:31:35 because the contract with Ppc. solutions expires at the end of the year, and our procurement policy, and encourages us to engage in a competitive process.
13:31:46 At the end of a contract to provide services, and at that time at least one commissioner expressed concerns with moving ahead, and and I had suggested that the Rfp.
13:32:01 Invites the county sheriff to submit a proposal as well, and
13:32:07 The board expressed some concerns with that issuing an Rfp.
13:32:11 And so suggested that we had a work, have a workshop to discuss courthouse security, and we did so on 6 June and the 2 topics really that we discussed at that workshop.
13:32:24 One was the Rfp process and as I recall that workshop. staff was encouraged to further investigate the sheriff's option, and we also discussed the way we're conducting security
which is in the
13:32:39 basement as opposed to the second floor. which is how we began the security mission prior to the pandemic when the pandemic hit.
13:32:50 We had to close entrances to ensure that we were screening people coming in for Covid and Coincidentally we could screen them for security at the same time.
13:32:59 There's some in the courthouse would like to see the front doors opened again.
13:33:03 But we we did discuss whether or not we could provide security with those front doors opening and closing, and and I think the conclusion we came to was no we couldn't, and
so
13:33:17 So in in response to the guidance, the request by the board, that we do additional work on the sheriff's alternative.
13:33:24 We have done that, and I had a number of meetings with under Sheriff Andy Prinstein and our chief civil deputy, Jen Moore, and we involved Sarah Melonson, our Hr.
13:33:35 Director because of the marketing unit implications. for that course of action.
13:33:42 And so with that i'll move into the purpose of the workshop, and and that's the further discuss courthouse security.
13:33:50 We? We have the 2 options, that we'll talk about briefly, and we're recommend a course of action, and we'll receive guidance from the Board, or maybe a decision on how to move
forward So our current situation we went out with an Rp.
13:34:06 In the fall of 2,017. Shortly after I arrived here, in response to what I would call serious concerns about courthouse security, especially from Judge Harper, because of general
rule.
13:34:20 36, which is pretty specific about courthouse security and we had none.
13:34:29 And so, as a result of the Rp. we issued
13:34:31 We hired Ppc. solutions. We called 2 firms in to interview
13:34:39 We had a third firm that wanted twice as much money as the 2 firms.
13:34:44 We interviewed, and so we just carted that proposal and interviewed the 2 decided on Ppc.
13:34:51 Solutions entered into a 2 year contract with 3 one year extensions, and we're in the third of those one year extensions.
13:35:00 And, as I said before, that 30 year extension expires in December of this year, and we've had a 135,000 budgeted every year for those 5 years, and the actual cost has typically
been less.
13:35:14 I know Ppc. has had a vacancy or 2 and as a result we've had 2 security personnel on on staff, which is yielded.
13:35:23 Some savings, and so we're typically in the 125 range options going forward once again.
13:35:34 Should we issue an Rfp. inviting the sheriff to participate?
13:35:38 Or should we bring the mission in house using sheriff department resources?
13:35:43 So option number one private security firms. I think, based on our experience, We could say that that option would be less expensive than in house option.
13:35:55 However. a private firm brings up with a greater liability.
13:36:01 No firearms are authorized, and and so on, on the continuum of secure facilities.
13:36:08 Security personnel that are not armed are less secure than the facilities that are manned by security staff that are armed.
13:36:17 And so So that's something to consider command and control issues
13:36:24 We have a private security firm. We have our chief civil deputy on the third floor, and we have had some difficulty with coordinating activities and having our or contract staff.
13:36:36 Keep Jen more informed and occasionally they would go their own way on issues and much to the chagrin, our chief civil deputy here, and their training is less rigorous.
13:36:51 Train share of staff or they're much better train they're
13:36:57 They have such well situational awareness. much more so than
13:37:01 Then the private security people that or hired by these private security firms.
13:37:08 So then we look at the sheriff's office and his more expensive I Andy sent me something this morning that estimates the cost, and we're looking at 30 to 40,000 more not to bring
the security mission in
13:37:23 house. but we are liability and exposure is reduced and you know, given the continuing polarization in the country. and I don't want to say the likelihood.
13:37:40 But the possibility of having some sort of a major event in the courthouse.
13:37:47 Having trained share of staff here. who are going to respond to whatever threat might.
13:37:53 We might be exposed to they're gonna respond in a better manner, and I think in a in a court, and we would be able to defend ourselves quite a bit more effectively with in-house
staff.
13:38:06 They would be authorized to carry firearms and They'd be well trained in the use of those firearms, and and so I know Commissioners carolyn me Sarah, and can you all we're on
the
13:38:19 other side of security right by the entrance i'm Sure you've thought more than once about what would happen if somebody came in with a ar 15.
13:38:32 Having 2 well trained shares deputies in in that hallway.
13:38:35 I think, would dramatically improve our sense of security not just proceed, but actual.
13:38:43 Now we'd also have more flexibility because we have additional staff upstairs, and should jen more need to deploy somebody from the third floor, and we would, we would have
we have that flexibility Now But given that all of these
13:38:57 folks are under the supervision, or would be of of Gen. More.
13:39:02 We would just have more flexibility and manage managing staff. We don't have to contact somebody in auburn to make arrangements.
13:39:12 Third floor is much easier, and we would also eliminate the communication.
13:39:18 Difficulties, and and these staff would have undergone much more rigorous training, not only just de-escalation, but they would know how to physically subdue somebody.
13:39:33 So that you might not have to resort to deadly force, and I think they would have the physical ability to back up that training.
13:39:42 So that's how we evaluated the 2 options, and clearly our recommendation is that we bring security in house with the sheriff's office, and this recommendation has been vetted
with pretty much everybody we could bet
13:39:58 it with. I think the people here and support this recommendation.
13:40:02 I know. sure if Noel does, the Courthouse Security team
13:40:07 Jen convened that group we're in this idea by them, and the meeting wasn't attended by everybody.
13:40:12 But I followed up that meeting with personal conversations with Judge Harper.
13:40:17 Alright, Gleason, James Kennedy, Roseanne, Stacy, Jeff Chapman, and Barbara Carr. and so virtually every leader in this building believes this is the way to go.
13:40:27 And so with that we'll entertain any questions you might have and we'll proceed your guidance and hopefully approval to proceed with implementing the recommendation.
13:40:41 The contract ends at the end of the year. the girl one, I think. Technically it ends on the twelfth of December. But I think we can informally let it go through the thirty-first
Okay.
13:40:52 let's and they're not they're not gonna challenge that, and and I guess staffing it up, would you know i'll let Andy you address that I think they have a couple of candidates
I think I might
13:41:06 have mentioned at least one name to all 3 of you. right?
13:41:09 We actually have 2 retired 4 towns and Pd.
13:41:12 Officers. We're actually interested in we're working here and actually both really do with people .
13:41:25 I'm i'm thrilled we're having this conversation, and for some of the benefits you you discussed Mark.
13:41:36 And let's see I guess i'm curious that like could there potentially be some efficiencies gained, too. I mean you talked about some of the flexibility, but just having having
folks in house to be able to move them
13:41:48 around as needed and like. I know I would feel much more kind of connected even to your office if if we had somebody.
13:41:56 You know we we probably spend more time with security folks than anyone right outside our door.
13:42:02 But I could see enhancing communication between departments I just think there's a lot of lot of potential benefit there.
13:42:09 One thing i'm wondering and this has been a you know bit of a challenge having kind of the the face of county government the first interaction that a lot of people have with
county government is an outside security group that you know
13:42:23 we've we've had some issues with message board with kind of messages that did not necessarily represent the county, and you know just the what happens when you have an independent
body. and and I I have especially since we've stopped using the front
13:42:40 door like it. just seems like we've kind of degraded the experience of dealing with county government.
13:42:47 In the current system that we have for good reason and I don't think there's a lot of answers easy answers to how to change that.
13:42:56 But one you know. Certainly a number of people have responded, not responded well to the first thing they walk into is being security, and I wondered, Is there any any way you
could do more of a civilian type uniform
13:43:14 where the public would be going through. security. being screened would have some security, but not have it seem quite so like you know, these people coming in to get their
tabs or Maybe they're going through something really traumatic.
13:43:28 You know they, these are people coming through the courts and just, just, I think. Is there a way to like give a little softer touch to to people's interaction with county government
when it it could be either something really menial that
13:43:41 they're coming in for, or something that is is difficult and I just how do we make that kind of walk into the county courthouse?
13:43:50 B. as civil as possible in every term right I I think we'd be open to something like that.
13:43:59 But if we do that, and let's say they're like student tie, but then we kind of lose the in ability to be able to whatever whatever you want, we're able to yeah, I mean certainly
want want them
13:44:17 to be protected, and armed and you know i'm not not suggesting that we want less security out of it, but just that that maybe it's it feels less like law enforcement presence,
and more I but I don't maybe the
13:44:32 benefit that what's that called the deterrent of of the law enforcement presence is really valuable, and I I don't pretend to know a lot about psychology. and security but I
know you do and I so I trust your
13:44:45 input on that you have potentially there's options for different types of uniforms that would be something that maybe I'm wearing.
13:44:55 It could be something more closer to what and somebody who isn't just like in your face like, Why are you doing a friendly person who interacts with people and gives them that?
13:45:08 Because I think that might be lacking too nice having a conversation with somebody as they're walking through.
13:45:15 And you know not. Are you here? That would be something that we need interaction with the public.
13:45:26 Friendly way, which can also be de-escalating for folks who are maybe traumatized or going through something really difficult upstairs.
13:45:38 I think that could have some value
13:45:40 I think it's a great idea i'm i'm I'm.
13:45:44 Fully in favor of it. I I guess it seems like we're hardening and softening at the same time. it's a little counterintuitive to me.
13:45:50 But So i'm not i'm not sure continuing conversations will happen. I think it's really the flexibility this brings to be able to have those conversations and to talk you know
the department department about what what is the
13:46:02 script as as folks come in. And how do you get them through?
13:46:05 I think really just a script might be enough to give people a kind of a professional, consistent experience.
13:46:13 As they walk into the into the courthouse I don't know what well presented.
13:46:16 I'm glad glad this research has been done but the sheriff's office and civil civil office is is interested in this opportunity.
13:46:25 So it seems like a win-win to me. Yeah, when Mark and I talked about it, I had a real sense that this we create a lot more of a collegial situation or a community.
13:46:36 Like community situation, because I feel like in a way our current security team is is kept separate. but these people would be part of the county family, and at least the folks
that you mentioned I mean some of them one of them I've known a long
13:46:50 time, I mean they've been in the community actively working as a leader in the community.
13:46:56 I mean that, and very warmly for decades so I think that that would go a long way to putting them at ease instantly, so that would that would exude to the public, coming in
either whether they're getting their marriage license
13:47:12 whether it's the happiest day of their life or they're losing their child where it's whether it's a sad to say of their life.
13:47:17 But it's a lot of people say the courthouse is like the either the best or the scariest time of your life, and whatever we can do to put people at ease coming in is good, whether
you know aside from any kind
13:47:29 of high risk, situation, normal day to day. business here can be joyfuler.
13:47:38 And that's a especially folks with a lot of law enforcement experience.
13:47:42 I think that it's a regular part of your work right is trying to make make people comfortable and not reactive.
13:47:53 So commissioners. if you authorize us to move ahead with this recommendation.
13:48:00 You can expect to see a couple of items in the budget presentation later in the year. we'll have some one time expenses for the firearms and for uniforms, and and and that sort
of thing I don't I don't know about
13:48:11 an automobile probably not and then of course, salaries and benefits, and then we'll delete the line for courthouse security that's in there, currently and it will be a bit
higher and and 2
13:48:30 is the the right number yeah. it's felt a little, having 3 phone out there largely un engaged.
13:48:40 Much of the day is felt like a lot of right one person that's always there, and the other one can be walking around walking around the the you know the part and live office
spaces upstairs, you know, people and answer any
13:48:54 questions consistency in screening people my biggest concern in making sure that we're screaming.
13:49:06 People that are need to be screened and allowing people in the building right now.
13:49:10 It's if you have your county badge or county employee card. You work for the county. You don't have to be screened.
13:49:16 But we're seeing inconsistencies with people coming into the building that don't work for the county that are getting bypassed, and I want to be able to handle that in-house
if we do have
13:49:29 like Mark was saying, having to talk to Auburn to get
13:49:35 Something happening here in the courthouse. is it's frustrating and dealing with.
13:49:38 And want the screening process to be done having people who know how to do that. Any any hope of getting the machinery upstairs down here, is it?
13:49:50 It's still just a space issue. Yes, and that is consultant with the fire marshal.
13:49:56 Jen believes she may be right that and I I did a quick search, and I found an X-ray machine that looks like it might fit.
13:50:05 I don't know a little more research is required but you know we we could sell the one upstairs by another.
13:50:14 Anyway. as we move ahead with this you can you can be sure that we're gonna dig into every aspect of security, and the people who are doing it can be researching how to make
the situation better while they're working right there's 2 of them sitting there one
13:50:31 can be great. Well, I don't I don't think we need a motion, do we?
13:50:39 Just thumbs up? I mean I don't know Sarah, do you have anything to add before we I mean, is there anything from collective bargaining?
13:50:46 Where? what kind of staff would they be well that'll be part of what we?
13:50:55 If you guys give them, go ahead, will be I might with and spoke with Jen, and about this, and we'd be talking to we developing the job description. and this would have to go
before the civil Service Commission for approval and then
13:51:09 also be part of the zoom. that conversation we would move forward with that once. We know we're on the right now, and I think, too, I mean something that I thought of when you
all was talking to was like the messaging to the
13:51:25 community before they get to the front home, because I think I think that most everyone understands that, or would would want to know that the facility and the people who are
in here and come here are protected, and and I think like in most places where people
13:51:43 go to a courthouse. they would anticipate they'd be a machine, or there'd be deputies or some kind of training. and you know Hereport towns and it's been lovely to not have
that be part of our culture
13:51:59 but I think it's very real and So you know, How do we talk to people before, then?
13:52:06 Hey, this, is this is how it is with the our house and Here's Why, any more discussion you might have before you make a call for public comment
13:52:26 Okay, if there's anyone who's joined us this afternoon,
13:52:30 Who wants to make a public comment on courthouse security.
13:52:33 Now is the time to raise your hand using the raise hand button at the bottom of your zoom screen.
13:52:39 I don't see anyone on the phone so anyone there Okay.
13:52:53 Good afternoon, Jeff. you'll need to unmute and then we'd love to hear what you have to say.
13:52:59 Thank you, Commissioner. we've talked about this among our staff and we do fully support this.
13:53:05 We think it's a good idea for all the reasons mark covered and and also doesn't lend itself to good security, because we don't have a lobby so you've got a hallway and we're
13:53:22 putting protection in a hallway, and it's and we're all trying to do the best we can again.
13:53:28 It would be nice to be to to have a lobby but you know, because of certain restrictions it's It's different to do that, I will say in the time we've had security they've been
a pleasure for me to work
13:53:40 with the the the contract security they've always been friendly i've never had.
13:53:46 Personally, i've never had any issue with it but one of the questions we always have is, well, how do they coordinate with a third floor, and it will be a lot easier for my
Staff to feel that the security is all being provided by the
13:54:01 same provider, which is the sheriff's office and of course we all love the sheriff's office, I mean I mean, that's quite seriously.
13:54:08 So so i'm good with this and i'm and I'm. grateful that Mark brought this forward thanks for weighing in Jeff.
13:54:16 We appreciate it. Anybody else with us? on Zoom this afternoon on the attendee list who would like to make a comment regarding courthouse security.
13:54:26 We would love to hear from you anyone else there that would like to chime in on.
13:54:33 I see stacy's raised her hand as well
13:54:54 Afternoon, Stacy. We love to hear what you have to add on this topic. thank you.
13:55:01 I appreciate Jeff's comments and appreciate The the Board being willing to look at this idea and pursue it in the sheriff's office, being willing to provide it.
13:55:14 The one thing I was gonna say on the uniforms.
13:55:17 I understand the difference between jen's you know you know uniform and something a little less combative.
13:55:27 But I also, in working with the share of deputies I have always found them to be approachable friendly, and you know, really anticipating and working with people's fears when
they're seriously just there to do something they
13:55:43 need to do so. I have no doubt that whatever the uniform that they will behave in a way that puts people at ease, but also provides a presence of strength that would counteract
any potential.
13:56:01 You know, issues. So thank you. Thank you, Stacey. We appreciate your input.
13:56:08 Anyone else out there on the attendee list who would like to comment on this conversation.
13:56:13 We're having about courthouse security today, use the raise hand button at the bottom of your zoom screen
13:56:24 Not seeing any other hands go up so i'm gonna close public comment on this item.
13:56:35 Anything else you guys need from us other than a thumbs up.
13:56:39 I think it's fairly unanimous you know here in the courthouse.
13:56:42 No, we'd be able to ask you know the deputy is to like get animals out of trees and help us with our broken down cars outside, possibly fixing the cars.
13:56:56 I'm not sure Matt Court can help with that got the man Lunch run.
13:56:59 They, they just they have so many skills So thank you. Commissioners, I think we have what we need. Right?
13:57:07 Good work. great, thank you. Good to see again
13:57:16 So where did we leave off? Oh, no, no! where we calendar?
13:57:23 But where else is there any other in the items, you know?
13:57:28 Oh, wow! I can give you a little update on Los Angeles.
13:57:33 Is that the only one there Well, one of the big takeaways Is that there's a you know.
13:57:42 The broadband office was really over, subscribed with money they had last year.
13:57:45 They got to be oversubscribed again this year and there's probably going to be a criteria that things that any monies that go out are built out by 26, which is very achievable
I think by
13:57:59 our pd so that's good another big takeaway. Was that communities?
13:58:06 There's a questionnaire that's coming out about priorities like open access, which we, I think, are very in favor of.
13:58:12 But one of the things they said you should make sure you do is get an active broadband action team going.
13:58:19 And so having a broadband action team we're definitely ahead, of the game, you know, since our Pd. is I think the only pud that's engaged in in setting up retail service right
now, or we're Well, ahead of the game and it looks
13:58:29 like. we'll be well suited for more of these I mean via the Pv.
13:58:37 The arpa being broadband dollars that are going to come out.
13:58:43 So money is gonna keep coming in and we're in the right place for it.
13:58:47 Famous meeting. No, but in terms of the local situation and I certainly don't expect you to speak to the pud.
13:58:55 But they and to speak getting state dollars because they've gotten Federal up until now.
13:59:01 Is that right? I mean they're trying they're looking for some more, some matching to, I think another 15 million dollars from the State.
13:59:08 So they are getting ready to get to apply for these dollars.
13:59:12 Yes, as my understanding, I will I will getting more up to day it's been a couple of weeks since we had a broadband action team, so i'll bring a good update back.
13:59:19 And it might be about time, as we go into this funding cycle, just to get the Pd.
13:59:25 To come out and talk about what where they are what they've done so
13:59:30 Maybe i'll see if I can gauge their interest and and work with with Mark and or Heidi to to get a little workshop on on the broadband.
13:59:40 Landscape. currently Yeah, especially if we would normally get that at the Icg.
13:59:44 But it's we're not having it this month so that sounds good.
13:59:48 Yeah, just situational awareness, because it's such a big funding. ask Federal or State delegation.
13:59:55 So it's they'll be able to support that yeah I mean yeah, it's another 15 million dollars.
14:00:06 Oh, it was interesting to hear them say that supply chain issues are such a barrier? to projects being able to move forward. And so it might have to extend the deadlines because
of the yeah, yeah, everywhere like imagine the whole country is trying to build this out right
14:00:24 now we're in an advantageous position though because we're forwarding down that road a little bit storing up the fiber and and materials.
14:00:35 I mean, I know that they still running into those issues. but yeah Yeah, we're on the right side of the line.
14:00:40 I think I did hear that the the broadband summit did happen a couple of weeks ago. So I heard about it from the role development director. Oh, really she said.
14:01:06 It was great. Yeah. So sorry. that you know i'm saying we we maybe in a Dc. drop the ball, and I had it on my calendar.
14:01:14 But yeah, I don't think I ever got an invitation except for 1 one meeting. Yeah, I apologize in the summer.
14:01:15 It's yeah fences to build we look at this week sure no.
14:01:22 First here. See, we've got the tourism coordinating Council tomorrow, and then i'm visiting the port to look at their offered up a conference room for the Board of health.
14:01:37 To do hybrid meetings the both Apple and the clerk.
14:01:40 Glenn think that is appropriate. So I am going to visit that, and see if we can't set up their owl camera, possibly to have the conversation on Thursday at the Board of Health
about hybrid meetings
14:01:52 and I might even do the board of health from that that conference room.
14:01:58 It's already reserved out for. us. so no no I think it's in the big building the port building down in boat. hit the one that they renovated.
14:02:09 Yeah, Yeah, have you been there by hudson Oh, Oh, it's point Hudson.
14:02:13 Let's see 4 to 4,000 pavilion that point had some.
14:02:22 I've not heard aaron call it. the pavilion. but that's where they're gonna have their port commission meetings where I hooked Veronica up with aaron Okay, talk.
14:02:32 About having board of help. meetings there. Well, that's probably that That's the point that's yeah .
14:02:42 Yeah, I'm sure that's a space that's a very nice piece of work.
14:02:43 I've never been so I look forward to it Well, that's good.
14:02:47 I don't need another one now, but but you could play yes, I mentioned that.
14:03:00 I can be reluctant to leave that, I have to admit.
14:03:04 If we did it here we would keep it for you could run the Zoom meeting and upload the Yeah.
14:03:14 Okay. yeah. that's a lot more work it's nice to have it just set up. so on wednesday I have the Orca Board meeting, and as vice chair the finance committee meeting before that
and then we have
14:03:29 the calling question time for any potential applicants for the housing fund board, 148, and 149 funds rfps for affordable housing and homeless housing at 2 3 3 3 3
14:03:44 o'clock, and then I think we decided I will be going to the land of street groundbreaking with habitat for humanity.
14:03:53 And then I That evening I have an olycat meeting, and then i'll go to the causal brown meeting this week.
14:04:02 Yeah. And then I have something Oh, nothing there. I have a little more training to do, because I I bit on one of the fishing lures in our.
14:04:14 Email. So I got some training that I had to do.
14:04:16 I did, too, vigilance vigilance Instagram.
14:04:20 I don't even use instagram there was even a typo in it.
14:04:22 I'm always I always catch those I feel I feel. Yeah, gotta gotta pay attention when you're looking at email don't just do it.
14:04:32 Don't second screen it. don't have Icg and then Board of Health on thursday and then Friday got the salish behavioral health administrative service organization meeting Everything's
going along there though.
14:04:49 We're going to get a public comment we got a public comment that i'll maybe share with you guys just so you're hip to the situation if you aren't But you know we have through
the healthcare authority.
14:05:02 We got money for the real navigators. The pre law enforcement diversion program.
14:05:06 One of the staff members. discovery. Behavioral health holds that contract.
14:05:12 One of the staff members there was essentially supplying one of their clients with Fentanyl.
14:05:20 Oh, jeeze So they've been let go and there's different people that are, you know, talking to Jim de Valley.
14:05:28 The parents are very satisfied with the resolution. It was scary, but they is another person representing as a parent of the of this individual.
14:05:39 It was facilitated to continue use of Fentanyl and they are kind of out there beaten, sitting in lots of public comments, different places.
14:05:48 So, according to Stephanie, the director, of the salish Phao, you know, discovery, behavioral health as soon as they discovered it. we're very proactive and and letting salish
no and you know doing
14:06:04 an independent investigation into whether this was a systemic issue, or you know, a bad apple, and let the individual go, and they're pretty content with the where we are.
14:06:14 But an unfortunate happens. Yeah, So we'll deal with that a little bit, and then another drug that had some feminine in it gave them money and facilitated them going by and
illegal I mean it was just been
14:06:35 all I mean that nothing's just annoying you've been dead. it's like a couple of grain, and that's something else that I you know, being at the meetings to know is that any powder
that you shoot
14:06:48 or store could kill you like 1 1, one use of it?
14:06:52 Could the the days of recreational user are over it's just too dangerous. Right? I quoted.
14:06:58 You on that many times I appreciate it but It's I mean it's been found in Marijuana.
14:07:03 It's it's not just powder drugs right overdose from a marijuana
14:07:29 And doing the farm tour on saturday Oh, farm tour on Sunday, quilting fair and parade on Saturday, and last a great person over at bay side.
14:07:44 Then I'm going to there service on on saturday too.
14:07:52 Yes, that's my week me to go Heidi.
14:07:57 Or do you want to go for it, Kate? Okay.
14:08:03 See the next 2 days I am over in Oakarber with the pewed some partnership Leadership Council.
14:08:12 Trying to think what to note for this group. I told you a little bit about the future scenarios work.
14:08:19 I have the agenda open right here. I can do you what we're gonna be working on see?
14:08:27 We're gonna be talking quite a bit about the bipartisan infrastructure law funding and the inflation reduction funding.
14:08:37 And how those dollars W. where they will be targeted for restoration and recovery efforts, and how to kind of get a double whammy benefit of, you know, infrastructure funding.
14:08:48 That also has environmental benefits, so be paying very close attention.
14:08:52 The Pudson partnership does have some technical assistance available to Lis, who might be applying for that funding.
14:09:00 So just something we should be aware of and i'll report back
14:09:05 So we have the Epa will be reporting on their funding specifically.
14:09:11 Legislative update Oh, i'm beginning a report from the State on the the heel app see Environmental Justice act So really incorporating environmental justice into all state activities.
14:09:28 We started talking about that in our straight ear and legislative agenda meeting last week.
14:09:36 Great. Okay, Good. Well, I will i'll let you know What's the interest in what you learn.
14:09:42 Yup and then we Each of the leadership council meetings.
14:09:46 We spent half a day with the local lio, so we will be with the Islands.
14:09:53 L. I. O. local integrating organization, just testing barriers to recovery and solutions.
14:09:59 The Leadership Council can support report back next week on how that goes.
14:10:07 Come back from that on Wednesday afternoon. Childcare meeting Thursday
14:10:14 North Olympic Development Council executive board meeting conversation with the Bonaville environmental Foundation about they've been doing some work in this kind of regional
planning potential transfer development rights on a regional
14:10:30 scale project, which has been a bit of a head project of mine no more.
14:10:38 Trying to as a region yeah so we we do concrete the planning county by county, and decide where density should go, and you know it's as part of growth management and undergrowth
management, You are allowed to
14:10:52 do that scale of planning like you, you can transfer development rights across county lines, and it is it is legal to do that.
14:10:59 You don't have to do all of that planning only within your jurisdiction.
14:11:05 But it's almost never done because it's very hard to get agreement with them.
14:11:08 A county, much less across county lines. but as the fugit sound region, you know, and it's this. The future scenarios group could really help or work could really help inform
this.
14:11:19 You know, if we were not doing it, county by county. But in sensing, where should density go?
14:11:24 Where should no touch landscape scale, restoration be happening? and you know that's some of that happens here in Jefferson County.
14:11:33 And how? how do we balance out the benefits there, too?
14:11:37 Because, you know we are counties are absolutely incentivized to grow grow, grow, grow, grow. that's we grow tax base.
14:11:42 That's the sustainable model, economically but not environmentally internal growth.
14:11:48 Maybe not sustainable, yeah yeah That's: Ul: Yeah. And that's the mindset of cancer, right?
14:11:58 For the sake of growth. So so there is I mean, I think for many years it's been talk about.
14:12:03 Should the period sound region be doing that planning like kind of like the Pucson Regional Council does for the 4 County region.
14:12:09 But should we be doing that on the 11 county region scale, trying to see consensus on where development goes?
14:12:18 Therefore, you know where where investment in transit goes like it could really be more efficient to be doing it on a regional scale.
14:12:28 That so long, difficult process to to dive into.
14:12:35 Anyway. Then the energy futures conference that Nodc is hosting with Battel, the National Lab.
14:12:46 We have a planning meeting for that conference Thursday afternoon, and then Board of Health Friday.
14:12:53 I have a municipal Research Service Center meeting in the morning, and Mark is going to cover the covid coordination meeting for me, since I I keep missing all my other meetings
on Fridays to attend to
14:13:08 that one. So i'm gonna skip one of those and Then i'm gonna take the afternoon off one thing mark i'm not gonna be able to attend the call on tuesday with graniteus you think
you and
14:13:22 Brent can take that one. I was hoping it might.
14:13:27 I might be able to just skip out of leadership council but it's right at an important agenda item.
14:13:32 So Brent had to make an emergency trip to New York.
14:13:40 Oh, shit some his mother and brother both got sick of Covid, and so he'll be back, I think on the nineteenth.
14:13:47 Okay, So I'll i'll most likely be so low Okay, tomorrow?
14:13:52 Yeah, what time is that? meaning? 10? It is The short term rental pro service provider helping is the meeting 10 tomorrow?
14:14:07 No? Yeah. Oh, and then just sunday i'm gonna be at a wildlife recreation.
14:14:24 What is Wwf. So for heidi it's washing them wildlife recreation program?
14:14:28 Thank you. event. speaking about kind of how rural areas are managing.
14:14:35 But the influx of of tourism and second home buying, and the role of conservation in rural communities while maintaining viable economies.
14:14:47 So we get to nerd out big time it's like an hour long.
14:14:51 Panel discussion, and some urban, some rural
14:14:56 So yeah, I need to spend some serious time given thought to that because it's their annual fundraiser.
14:15:01 So be smart, right, Thank you. well, my week looks kind of jammed up.
14:15:14 But tomorrow. I have the quarterly meeting of the Human service collaborators that Lymca organizers, Tanya.
14:15:26 And and now Community Foundation is partnering in that organization of that.
14:15:31 So that Round Table is tomorrow from 10 to 1110 to 1130 having a conversation at one about the straight Ern fiscal oversight, and the issue I mentioned about the Federal kind
of requirements for Nbc.
14:15:47 To have a process for who to the straight ern's Coordinator is even though we have somebody coordinating those, anyway.
14:16:00 So. not a meeting conversation in the afternoon there's a behavioral health advisory board meeting, and we'll be talking about our calendar for our Peters here and funding levels
and potentially some term limits
14:16:17 but we're postponing that one lenses terms. How long it turns Karen is, I think there's a there's no term hmm hmm feels feels like it was set up about putting those kind of
14:16:37 sidebars or a place then wednesday morning I have the Encumbered Lands working group meeting in the afternoon.
14:16:48 I'm going to the point husband jetty groundbreaking in the evening.
14:16:51 I have the Olympic discovery trail Board meeting Thursday agenda planning with Mark, and then i'm not gonna attend the Community Foundation Board meeting or the Board of Health
meeting.
14:17:05 I'm gonna attend the Timber county's focus this this month, and Greg's place, cause Greg is sharing the Board of Health meeting, and then Friday I will be out of awesome office
all day and going to
14:17:19 Pedilla Bay for the Northwest Straits.
14:17:25 Annual conservation collaboration Round Table. Their conference is just a one day conferences here.
14:17:29 So that's not the Mr. c one it is Oh, yeah and it's taken.
14:17:37 The little blue car fella marine conservationists yep and then Saturday. I will be helping a farm with farm tour.
14:17:47 Give you one guess which environment is my favorite farm, not allowed to have favorites. but I do And then I'm gonna take a break from that potentially and attend this center
for sustainable economy presentation on forests in the middle of
14:18:03 the day. curious about that. and I think sunday i'm I don't think i'm going to ballard this week, but i'm always the last minute made a mover need be next week.
14:18:19 We have central services interviews on Tuesday, Yeah.
14:18:26 And how could you remind me the timeframes for those like, When do we start an end?
14:18:36 No, I think first interviews at 10. so we have 2 candidates, one at 11 at 11.
14:18:42 Okay, So it's not all day because I said I have all day set aside
14:18:48 I'm just collaborations after lunch Okay, I'm just gonna start in that starting that up a little bit.
14:18:59 So like the Pio for to us yeah.
14:19:10 Okay, I don't know or maybe it's a mark I mean we'll have to figure that out.
14:19:15 But not be under central services anymore. However, Yes, it should be.
14:19:21 The legislative body and then Wednesday straight ern second and legislative agenda setting meeting, and in the evening we are having our second conversation about a Derek vessel
14:19:43 recycling in Jefferson County because the Mrcs.
14:19:46 Through the North. Olympics great commission has some additional funding, or Darel look us for spice recycling.
14:19:53 So if anyone knows the new boats that need to be scraps that aren't check with me, and see if they're on the list.
14:20:01 But they're actively doing outreach about that right now. trustland transfer team meeting on thursday, and then we have our straight ern quarterly all all straight ern meeting
at red cedar hall on
14:20:22 Friday morning, and I will be missing my Hmm.
14:20:29 Third Encumbered Lands Work Group Meeting and then the afternoon is the presentation of the Caroline Gibson scholarship scholarships at the Maritime Center at 4 o'clock.
14:20:42 If anyone wants to join for that? Yeah. Okay, can you repeat that date?
14:20:49 Sorry that's on Friday the 20 third at 4 o'clock. I might be able to do that i'm just announcing things that just the high points
14:21:00 So the following: and then it's the accordion festival.
14:21:08 Okay, do you play the accordion i'm learning.
14:21:17 Yeah bagpipes next, you know I I I went to the Irish festival, and got like one bagpipe lesson, and they are too, complex, and they're they're out of 2 with everything else
too
14:21:30 they're tuned like to a unique thing you have to do and everything else to them.
14:21:34 Basically. So now, the final thing, i'll tell you is I signed up to make potato salad for the casual brown picnic.
14:21:51 The scholarship presentation is at the maritime center. Yeah.
14:21:56 Okay, thank you. 4 o'clock. Okay. right in the 20 third I think I can make it
14:22:05 I wonder if we should talk a little bit about the proposal we got from Rob Gelder and on the potential raise grants for the 3 county trail projects which so mark I don't know
if you received
14:22:24 this, but Commissioner Gelder forwarded to the 3 of us.
14:22:28 A proposal that some trail proponents, including some of our our trail proponents.
14:22:36 Would like to apply for a large raise. Grant usdot 25 to 45 million dollars for progress on the
14:22:48 A great American rail trail and public works, of course, has a lot of concern, because they don't have capacity to be participating in planning and or provide match for the
grants.
14:23:03 So what's the match person 20% yeah.
14:23:09 How many 1,000,025, to 45 so we don't know I don't heidy unless you have contact with Rob about this.
14:23:17 We don't know if clalam or kitzap public works or roads and trails folks are on board with this or not.
14:23:25 It looks like it's the trail advocates given that you have a 6 year transportation improvement program. Most counties have their monies program pretty well in advance, so no
and I've talked with mondi
14:23:40 I I got back to Robin told them I would be the point person for the county, and I've talked to Monte, and now we just have no capacity or funding to contribute.
14:23:48 I mean we can write letters. I can write letters and support and bring them to the voc, and we can be generally supportive, of course, but in terms of a deep dive in terms of
effort.
14:23:59 I it won't be coming from public works Yeah, and I think the you know, I think we want to be mindful that we don't want to make this project less competitive if there is support
for it from the other 2
14:24:14 counties, because we're right in the middle so it would look you know.
14:24:17 Look bad if we were like. Oh, sorry we're not ready
14:24:21 So it's keep that in mind, and then. you know See if if indeed, there were a lot of resources that come to the table, if they could do some of that work like Monte Cristo. Yeah,
if they want to build trail here
14:24:32 great we're years out from it we don't have right away.
14:24:36 But you know, Say, if we decided a section of that was going to be along highway 104, like you know, we don't want to impede progress.
14:24:44 So. right. Rob was really asking for somebody to be participating and planning efforts which Heidi agreed to do.
14:24:54 Which is great, monty said maybe we just bring it up so we all know what's what's going on and know that they're concerned about lack of capacity, which I totally hear and anything
i'm forgetting
14:25:05 Heidi Nope. I reached out to Rob after we talked, and having her back then other than Roger. .
14:25:14 Yeah, I mean it is it's a you know such a hi profile potentially high priority projects.
14:25:26 You know. inslee is very pro trail and you know if there is really an effort to try to get a big chunk of the trail built while all this Federal money is flowing.
14:25:37 I just think we we don't wanna shoot ourselves in the foot nonprofits. can also do a lot of fundraising to match extraction.
14:25:50 Right work that they're gonna hire a consultant to do, and would require little of of our public works like, you know.
14:26:00 I just think we wanna stay open to how to keep it moving along.
14:26:05 Sounds good, and that's those that ears all take to those meetings great.
14:26:15 Thank you.
14:26:16 You're taking a lot more stuff on your shoulders. and you gonna gonna gonna sign up for more wassack committee Federal issues.
14:26:23 Yeah, yeah, I don't have my trust line transfer provider work group anymore.
14:26:28 Oh, okay, that round that wrapped up looking ahead, I am.
14:26:38 I have 2 days out of town next week. see Grant, Washington C.
14:26:46 Grants as a retreat. Wednesday. no, Tuesday.
14:26:50 That'll be attending and then no that is Wednesday, and then Thursday i'll be in Ellenberg with legislative steering committee.
14:26:59 So yes, not this week, but well, 20 first 20Â s, the next.
14:27:07 Yeah.
14:27:17 Busy week next week, but then in town Hmm
14:27:27 How about you mark how's your calendar look no let's have a look here.
14:27:35 Well tonight see Howox Broncos Russell Wilson fling against So that should be interesting.
14:27:49 Sometimes lightning strikes and you got it. you gotta find a way So tomorrow, I guess i'm flying solo on the grannicus meeting, and I I guess the focus of that is a regulation
focused
14:28:04 so hopefully. I can scarf up some materials to share with you. Kate.
14:28:09 Afterwards public sector cabinet meeting at one o'clock, followed by 18, and then Id I have behavioral health advisory committee.
14:28:17 Yeah, tomorrow afternoon you have that also alright, just confirming.
14:28:24 Wednesday. finally long awaited risk management, risk, manager training.
14:28:28 The previous session was on a Monday. so I was not able to participate so presumably after that i'll be a certified qualified risk manager
14:28:43 Thursday good agenda check in with Heidi, and then pretty much clear.
14:28:48 So you get some work off my desk and and then coordination meeting.
14:28:53 Kate, if you have any any topics or issues you want me to talk about on Friday, let me know
14:28:59 I did hear from Apple that that the declaration of emergency was presented.
14:29:05 And so I guess one question is, Do we want to continue with these coordination meetings?
14:29:10 Given that. And what about the state of our local declaration?
14:29:14 Oh, right so when is hum sucker back Oh, maybe Monday, I think we'll want to work with them.
14:29:23 We have until October 30 First, that emergency order is not rescinded.
14:29:28 Now it is, it will. It will be October 30 first, so we have some time, but I think we will want to look at our orders and see what is Still, you know.
14:29:37 What do we want to keep in place? Well, that limits your powers.
14:29:43 So yeah, we gotta think And then did you go the following week?
14:29:48 We did just one weekend. Yeah, I was just looking for potential. mostly.
14:29:52 I was. Yeah, okay. on the twentieth interview day for central services.
14:30:03 Not a open day on Wednesday, and then on Thursday, the 20Â s chefcom admin board meeting agenda prep.
14:30:12 With Hi and i'm out on the 20 third along with ado Carolyn, and so you're going to the clerks conference.
14:30:22 No, i've got something else i'm doing it's a personal day off, so that's it for week after next.
14:30:31 And then you're gone much of october 2 right
14:30:44 What's it called alderbrook nice It's tough somebody's gonna do it.
14:30:49 Yeah, Are you coming along?
14:30:59 Okay? Well, I don't have anything else on the agenda for this afternoon.
14:31:05 Does anyone have anything they want to walk on? Maybe just take a look at email here and see if it prompts anything
14:31:23 Potential graduate students interested in a housing internship long as they don't need 1,000.
14:31:36 Maybe they could do short term rental work. Yeah, French and I follow up.
14:31:41 It was the same one who applied last year, and ended up doing an internship with Awc.
14:31:47 And and and came back to us interested. So yeah.
14:31:58 Did that either of you sign up for plus that conference.
14:32:02 I did. Yes, I i've forgotten but I have a planned trip that week to New York City, so I will not be into that on vacation
14:32:18 Hmm.
14:32:31 On the boards and committees. I found someone else in looking for letters.
14:32:38 In support of my attempt to be a noxious weed Board member who lives in my district, who was very interested in doing it.
14:32:43 So my support behind him. great also named greg so it should be easy.
14:32:47 I'll just scratch out the last I got and put in his business.
14:32:53 That's great though
14:32:57 And how is it going with in prepping your neighborhood slowly?
14:33:04 Big neighborhood. We can coin together about it
14:33:18 It's gonna be posted I don't know I I mean I'm.
14:33:18 I'm i'm opposed to that but i'm kind of making risota with noodles and and lots of cheese, and and zucchini, Obviously they'll obscure all the
14:33:27 zucchini flavor I've had all this on you made out of Zucchini. Then I that's not i'm not i'm not in favor of replacing the
14:33:37 noodles as you can that would zoom I guess. Well, it's actually device that makes noodles out of Zucchini not in favor of that.
14:33:45 No, not what i'm doing, well yeah I mean yeah i'm a pasta ferry. Yeah, Yeah, i'm a bit of a repository and rosa kitty in with the possible you can't replace.
14:33:57 It. But there you go and call it you ever had spaghetti squash.
14:34:03 Yeah, that's a good replacement for noodles If you're gonna replace a new ,
14:34:18 So let's just say zucchini and long strips like with pesto on it is lovely.
14:34:21 I don't know itself even if it's regardless if it's replacing pasta or not it's just a good summer dish.
14:34:28 It's better in your bread. Okay, Yeah, yeah, totally.
14:34:33 I am a convert to beyond beef no you're on me so good it's so good it's got the right mouth field. it's I mean i'm and 2 induction stoves can I just say I
14:34:47 am now. Did you replace your range? We replaced our gas range.
14:34:50 That broke again after I fixed it again. Oh, that's the one you can touch, and you can touch it.
14:34:55 We have silicone map just to protect it that we cook through. so you don't scratch them so you don't scratch it.
14:35:02 It's amazing. It cooks it boils water more than twice as fast as our gas range, everything is better half air quality is much better, you know.
14:35:12 You need special pots or pans well I can't Use a walk because it just heats the on the bottom of contact. Yeah.
14:35:18 And then I We have a cup like my egg pan.
14:35:19 I lost the ability to fry eggs for a couple days, because our egg pan apparently is walk crooked, so it's like just in the middle.
14:35:26 You can use cast iron can't use aluminum if a magnet sticks to it.
14:35:29 Then it will work. You have to take the straight edge test where you like.
14:35:34 Put a straight edge and see what you're surface is a huge difference.
14:35:39 But like if I boil a huge thing, of water, we made corn and like the handles on the side, I didn't need hot pad to pick it up, or anything it doesn't waste any energy right
you could touch the side of
14:35:48 the pot most. it just it's like it's like an electric car.
14:35:52 It's a game change right i've gotta say induction stows? I'm on i'm a convert What about the other? I mean?
14:35:57 It's an electric oven, but it's got an air fryer now, too.
14:36:01 So i'm i'm getting into airframe which is I haven't I haven't really broached that yet I can't I can't I can't give it a whole hard to
14:36:07 endorse on that. But yeah, well, we have a countertop here.
14:36:10 Fryer. Okay, you like it that's good That's great for reheating. pizza better than the microwave microwave turns it into shoe letter air fryer will crispy it up
14:36:20 Okay, yeah. dive into the air fryer Soon i'm still marveling at my stove.
14:36:26 That I can put my hand on after i've used it to cook i'm still trying to give away my 130 year old gasping stove we did keep our propane stone, though it's out in the making
an outdoor
14:36:40 kitchen outside. so it's because sometimes you want to cook with a walk right?
14:36:45 I mean it is air quality it's too it's huge it's a huge difference, and it's inside yeah, 5 gallon, you know.
14:36:52 Beer award. yep outside. the Oh, yeah making yeah chicken stock all day long, you know. everything on your account, your emails there. I don't think so.
14:37:02 No, I think we've gotten through everything caroline for me that this is closing remarks. We can talk about whatever we want food stuff.
14:37:11 The regular meeting, we can. Yeah, Well, we ended early today, So anything else before we adjourn go on about inductions goes.
14:37:24 But Okay, well ,
14:37:40 I I don't remember I don't know I mean they're they're there now, right they're they're everywhere lucid as a car that goes I think it's called lucid air it's got 5
14:37:49 100 mile plus range. I have to push back against this desire for 500 miles.
14:37:55 My dad just got. Oh, that that thing only gets 300 miles and how many days a year do you drive more than 300 miles or a 150 miles round trip?
14:38:04 I can go to the airport and back and that's about as far as I go on a day.
14:38:07 Well, but people have range of anxiety, and if you have 500 mile range and ideal conditions, and in the winter time you might have 350.
14:38:17 Yeah, I mean I have experienced range anxiety I have a car that runs out of batteries on the regular but you don't drive that when your wife does right i'll try to i'll drive
14:38:28 it, too, If i'm driving a shorter distance but I you know.
14:38:31 Got a got a plan a little bit, but but 200 miles is plenty, so I think, but they will continue to make batteries smarter right?
14:38:40 Anything software that updates your i'm just thinking that you're probably more up today on the technology than I am.
14:38:45 Well, the the Ford f 1 50 lightning is we're still on on!
14:38:50 Hold for that. that's that's gonna be a game changer work, truck, electric truck generator $100,000.
14:38:56 Oh, well, he save it. I mean 45,000 is the entry level electric?
14:39:03 Yeah, it'll go. how many miles 300 5,400 really.
14:39:08 But we just got those aren't going to be available for a while.
14:39:11 We could buy one right now for 80. I think. good time.
14:39:14 A lot of the right track. Yeah, it's a lot of gas.
14:39:22 You gotta say make that. I can never think about spending that much on a conveyance. I mean if you're saving 4,000 a year and fuel it adds up Okay, 80,000 divided by 4 2020
years if you're buying a new
14:39:36 car and you know a 5 year old used car pays off the battery carbon debt at the battery. So i'd say, look for a good use. electric car.
14:39:51 Yeah. yeah. there was a honda, really weird looking thing to door with covers over the wheel wells in the back.
14:39:58 Was it. That was an old one. Yeah, don't get that 21 years old, and he still drives it.
14:40:06 We're looking, but yeah really cost effective you see the Vita Van Converted at the wooden boat show all tricked out and camper and size.
14:40:16 So beautiful like converted to an electric they've got They're coming out with electric mini buses soon California, the forecasting is out to see a lot of those around Yeah,
it's
14:40:29 taller, and it kind of looks like the awesome Tesla shape.
14:40:34 Yeah is something we should probably take a look at as our climate action goals and see how we're doing.
14:40:40 And i'm. Are we still not recycling they still not have recycling bins? and are we?
14:40:46 Do we still not order recycled paper? Does anyone know?
14:40:53 Are we Almost out? paper you have is the There is a sale on paper, I guess, cyber phone recycling event tomorrow.
14:41:12 Down Port level. you got Styrofoam you need to get rid of.
14:41:15 Oh, yeah, so do we need to get recycling bins.
14:41:19 Is that the for the court for all of our offices?
14:41:26 We just do paper, and we don't have pay for service right well,
14:41:37 That's what I do, just take that to their own recycling.
14:41:40 Where does that? recycling is free. We pay for garbage, and in the city.
14:41:45 Yes, yeah, really shouldn't be yeah collection.
14:42:00 Yeah, the city's collection is close to the same facility, and then goes out with the rest of ours.
14:42:09 Gotcha. Okay, but you don't pay extra.
14:42:13 You can recycle as much as you want. Gotcha.
14:42:15 Where is carbage? You pay more for more volume?
14:42:20 Oh, yeah, So we pay for recycling already.
14:42:25 Part of government. Yeah, we have a zumpster a couple of dumpsters out back, I think, once for recycle ones for garbage.
14:42:33 But I don't know I mean do we know that we're actually recycling because I don't.
14:42:37 Where does walk across the central services into it and okay there's a recycle bin and it's full of plastic bottles and cans and whatnot out in the garage.
14:42:48 No, it's just great across the hall and here. but where does it go from there? So I know we have our our cardboard.
14:42:55 Recycling, dumpster out there and paper yeah I don't know if they just walk out and dump it in that that dumpster, or whether they bag it up I mean i'll i'll check because we
don't
14:43:06 have combined stream for only for plastic to an aluminum plastic.
14:43:13 Yeah, in the breaker? and there's large cansters that have wheels I don't know if they bring them out to the curve. that's a good question. but I assume that's what they do
when you score
14:43:23 them so much diapers and Oh, that's that's right up to the curve, so maybe we should do a announcement I I didn't I've been here.
14:43:44 6 years, and I didn't know we had that I knew it was up in the great room, but I could somehow bought something.
14:43:49 Okay, Hmm. I used to do that from our office.
14:43:54 I would pull stuff out of the garbage and take it home.
14:44:00 But you know I do. I know that we might have to take the lead on a lot of our climate goals.
14:44:09 And so if we want to think about policy, complete replacement, that kind of thing
14:44:21 Do I put them the agenda for next week?
14:44:26 I wonder if we should go a couple of weeks out just because it could take some time to gather some information and think about what we want to cover, Mark?
14:44:34 Can you add that to the agenda planner for 2 weeks, review climate action goals 2 weeks out?
14:44:40 Yeah. And so that means, mark you, and I should see what information we need to gather.
14:44:51 Alright.