HomeMy WebLinkAboutclosed_caption09:01:06 just afraid it might head that direction, and I don't want any of you to be out like he was for 3 days
09:01:13 Okay, leave my example, actually if you can work remote.
09:01:17 Well, sorry, Sorry you're not with us, Kate, but I'm glad you're here on zoom.
09:01:24 it's 9 o'clock is av up and running.
09:01:28 I'll call this September nineteenth, 2,022 meeting of the Jefferson County Board of Commissioners to order, and as I won't forget public comment this week, like I did, last
week, as we do every Monday morning we start the day off with public comment if there's anybody
09:01:45 who's joined us via zoom, who would like to make a public comment this morning?
09:01:50 You can use the raise hand, button at the bottom of your zoom screen.
09:01:53 There's nobody on the phone. So I'm not gonna give those instructions.
09:01:59 Anybody with us this morning who has something they'd like to chat about what the Commissioners I see.
09:02:05 A hand went up and
09:02:16 Steve. He did
09:02:19 Good morning, Steven. You'll need to unmute, and then you'll have 3Â min.
09:02:27 A: second. Okay, Okay, thanks. Look, I wanted to ask about a few things.
09:02:33 One is that I'm moving big about this. But, my, I've remember seeing that the health Department that a new districting district King level is being added in the beginning of
next year, and there's various aspects of it.
09:02:46 Adding a You know, a native American representation, the the Current Health Board is being combined with other local health boards into a district, and so I just wondered if
any of you all knew about this and could clarify what the real world impact this is is this replacing.
09:03:06 Our existing health board, or is it adding a new layer And if it's adding a new layer, how would this new layer be interacting with the existing local health ports?
09:03:15 I just be curious about any information you can provide about these changes.
09:03:19 Second, the 4 times a free press had a story that appeared on Saturday regarding how, on May of this year, there was a $9,999 a consent Agenda contract with use Usaa.
09:03:40 I think, for anti racist literacy training, and the the the reason for this or a large reason for it, was to reduce vaccine hesitancy.
09:03:51 And then in August, there is an amendment to that to add another $5,000 to the contract and so I just was wondering if you could clarify.
09:03:58 I mean having the bid having the contract be for $9,999.
09:04:04 Seems like the intent was to skirt the spirit of the $10,000 open bidding requirement for anything up to that level.
09:04:14 And so, by having it $1 less, That sort of skirts that.
09:04:18 But then adding another $5,000 to an amendment I mean that almost seems like that is actually violating the law that But I I really don't I Really, don't know.
09:04:29 And I just wondered if Staff, or you know, if you all could just clarify your your take on all of that, and also in the main meeting.
09:04:38 There was an additional $45,000 contract given to not show again for you to increase vaccine uptake.
09:04:47 So look, you know, you probably can guess my opinions about the safety, and like efficacy of these vaccines and things, have been sort of, you know.
09:04:57 I mean the there's tests you know. The the various stuff. Has got 30, you know, 5 tens of thousands of deaths, hundreds of thousands of serious adverse.
09:05:08 Events it's very, very bizarre that these numbers are so much higher than for any previous vaccine.
09:05:16 In fact, it's like more than the total of all other vaccines over the past 3 years.
09:05:21 So this is definitely a concerning safety signal, you know.
09:05:24 One could say, that this is all just a coincidence, and that there's no causality.
09:02:26 3Â min for comment.
09:05:28 However, there was recently something came out of Israel that was a re challenge.
09:05:35 Oh, I have! Have! I hit the 3Â min, Mark? Okay, thank you very much.
09:05:33 Hey, Benjamin? 3Â min. That's fine. Sorry?
09:05:38 Yeah, Thank you. We'll respond to those questions at the end of public comment.
09:05:46 Here? Is there anybody else who's joined us this morning who wishes to make a public comment?
09:05:52 I've seen a few other people join us. Is there anything that any of you out there on the attendee list would like to chat with the county Commissioners about use the race hand.
09:06:03 Button at the bottom of your zoom screen, and nobody's on the phone. So anyone wishing to make a public comment
09:06:14 Okay, not seeing any other hands go up, I will leave public comment open.
09:06:27 I could respond to the question about the reorganization of the Board of Health.
09:06:30 Since I've and largely our representative on that issue.
09:06:35 so in the gosh, 2020 legislative session there is a Bill House bill, 1152, which called for really originally very comprehensive overhauls of our local boards of health.
09:06:49 that got quite a bit of pushback from a number of audiences, and Dr. Locke and I were both involved in a work group that helped to shape that bill into something that was much
more reasonable and what all ultimately passed in which we have been in the process of implementing at the local
09:07:05 level we were required to have it implemented by July first of this year.
09:07:09 So couple of changes to that. To change our the composition of our Board of Health a little bit.
09:07:15 We were one of the first boards of health to allow to expand our board, to include community members over 20 years ago, and so many boards of health in the state were still
at just 3 County commissioners or maybe a representative from a city so We had already done much to that expansion 11
09:07:35 52 did require us to change those roles a little bit, so instead of just at large community members, we instead were required to have a consum consumer of Public Health join
the Board a a stakeholder someone perhaps.
09:07:48 A business that is regulated by the Public Health Department and a tribal member.
09:07:57 So we we're able to fill those positions, and we have now had, I believe, 2 meetings with our new Board of Health Members Our tribal representative was just assigned to, us,
has not yet been approved or appointed by the American Indian Health Commission but we'll
09:08:14 be doing that soon. So Paul Cunningham will be joining us from the Jamestown tribe shortly.
09:08:21 The only other significant change that came up with 1152 was that a regional health officer was was added to the system, and there were 4 4 regions created throughout the State
and a additional health officer was added.
09:08:42 That position has not started yet. I was told that it was appointed.
09:08:45 the person has been hired, but region is pretty much all of Western Washington.
09:08:51 It's called the the western region, and it's it's funny.
09:08:55 I was at a a Board of Health training on this very topic couple of weeks ago in Spokane, and they pulled up the map Department of Health, pulled up the map of the new regions,
and anybody who Doesn't live basically in in King County just kind of burst out laughing like to think that We have one
09:09:11 new health officer to support the entire I 5 corridor and the entire Olympic peninsula.
09:09:19 Is it? It? Just kind of laughable? So I you know we hope that'll provide some added capacity and department of health is saying, Well, King County won't need the help as much
because they have a much larger.
09:09:31 And robust staff. But anyway, we're we're not sure hopefully that will provide, some added benefits, because Buddy, this stuff should come up.
09:09:40 But Dr. Barry is gonna need to to be scaling her hours back because of the end of the Governor State of emergency.
09:09:47 So we will have her for fewer hours, and could use, for example, some epidemiologic support locally.
09:09:56 So perhaps that regional officer can help provide some of that.
09:06:20 does anyone wish to respond to Stevens? Questions: first?
09:10:17 Okay, Thanks Kate Greg: or Mark, Do you have anything you would like to add?
09:10:21 I don't know. Mark wants to start. I don't have a lot of the contract with Thisia.
09:10:25 whether we, I I don't believe Staff would have been a contract I know our procurement ordinance says that if you have a contract exceeding 10,000, that under 10,000, you can
dispense with comparative bidding, and then above between 10 and 50 you can
09:10:46 use a consultant roster, but if you begin it an amount below 10, and then you subsequently amend a contract and go ahead.
09:10:59 Rcw. I believe, is silent on that, as is our local code, and so it it's a good question, and it's one that I'll have to research.
09:11:10 Okay, Yeah, thanks, Mark, We'd appreciate a response on that.
09:11:18 and I'm I'm wondering if I could just call out the I I'm started poking around.
09:11:15 When you find out in more information. Okay.
09:11:23 I didn't find that Nacho, which is a funny acronym for the National Association of Community Health Organizations.
09:11:31 I'm guessing I don't know if anyone's been able to pull that up.
09:11:34 I'm guessing that was funding from Nacho to us.
09:11:37 I think Mr. Schumacher thought that it was the other way around, but typically they would be funding But I'm I'm not positive about that.
09:11:31 Yup yup
09:11:47 Nope.
09:11:45 Has anyone been able to find that one yet? Bye.
09:11:51 I was on the same day, he said
09:12:01 We're gonna bring Bonnie over. She might have more information about these contracts.
09:12:09 good morning. Yes, The National Association of County and City Health Officials.
09:12:07 Good morning, Bonnie
09:12:21 awarded me a grant, and so that is money coming to to us
09:12:35 Any other questions about that
09:12:30 Great
09:12:42 so that is, to increase, vaccine up, take among marginalized populations in Jefferson County, marginalized, being defined, but not limited to parameters around race ethnicity,
ability, rural location etc and
09:13:06 So bonnie was that was that Grant did we obtain that Grant, after the the contract was awarded
09:13:15 No, the grant allowed me to hire a consultant, to conduct diversity, equity, and inclusion, training the thought being we need to know how to reach out to these marginalized
populations. In a skilled way before moving forward is deepening our relationships with those communities
09:13:42 So did did it explicitly pay for the the contract with Usala.
09:13:49 So? Is that no nothing out of the general fund for that contract, or anything.
09:13:47 Correct.
09:13:53 It was grant funded.
09:13:53 Sure, correct.
09:13:57 Great. Thank you. That's not surprising. Did not look at it, of course, this weekend, but but seeing that it's the the author's the same person that made the kind of species
complaint about mit conflict, of interest is not surprising
09:14:14 Thanks for the additional information. Bonnie, we appreciate having a clear picture of what the issue is.
09:14:14 Alright. Well, thank you.
09:14:20 So for me. Thanks for being here. Are there? Is there anyone else with us who's joined us on zoom this morning?
09:14:30 Who would like to make a public comment. You can use the raise hand, button at the bottom of your zoom screen.
09:14:36 Anyone else with us this morning. Wishing to make comment, If not, I'll leave public comment open for now until 9 30, and we can consider consent agenda that works for my colleagues.
09:14:56 We have a pretty short kind agenda this morning.
09:15:00 Are there any items that you guys would like additional information on
09:15:06 Ask me.
09:15:13 no, just looks like public works; has been busy as usual.
09:15:18 Yeah, indeed. I'm I'm happy to to move that we approve and adopt the consent agenda as presented
09:15:26 I will second
09:15:28 All in favor. Bye, bye.
09:15:32 okay, Well, we still have half an hour until we are joined by Dr.
09:15:40 Barry? So? Is there anything for the good of the order that you guys would like to talk about?
09:15:48 Now, or we could just do count briefing and then calendaring. If we can get to that
09:15:58 Anyone interested in starting off with briefing
09:16:02 Oh, I can start. Let's see. Looking back at last week, Of course we're all together on Monday.
09:16:14 have the tourism coordinating Council on Tuesday they wrote a letter.
09:16:20 I think we all got a copy of to the Wash dot about the bridge closures.
09:16:24 That are, going to happen this year and going now are going to happen next year.
09:16:28 Kind of reinforcing some of the festival days, and I would love to consider, maybe sending a similar similar letter, so maybe I'll I can bring that draft to us later.
09:16:39 I don't think it's a super timely thing.
09:16:42 It doesn't have to get rushed out or anything.
09:16:48 Hey, Greg, I think it would be good to also check in with Monty.
09:16:52 He has some some good specific talking points that might be good to incorporate, and I I know that largely because of our outreach to wash that they have been in touch on on
this issue.
09:17:06 but I I would suggest checking out the public works, and we, you know, we did send a letter at the beginning of this year to wash that regarding, but the cumulative impacts
especially on festival weekends with very and bridge so could be something of a follow up just as a reminder that
09:16:43 But Yeah, for next week that sounds great. I was Yeah, I have that sitting on my desk so great
09:17:28 Yes, I agree. Has a lot of insight into some of the impacts.
09:17:26 we we did send a similar one earlier this year.
09:17:32 And yeah, was critical. I'm getting some some more of the the public works of the the the Peninsula included in the process.
09:17:41 So no, no rush. But yeah, maybe send that one to Monty went down to the the ports Lovely Pavilion building, which has excellent acoustics to check out for future hybrid meetings
for the Board of health Seems like a little bit of a heavy
09:18:02 lift for the advantages it offered over our own chambers.
09:18:05 So I made a different recommendation at the Board of Health meeting on Thursday that I'll get to Fork on Wednesday.
09:18:14 The Olympic region. Clean air agency. A lot about the the smoke, and then the bolt fire that was really heavy.
09:18:21 The week before, and everything's going great with Orca.
09:18:27 I knew executive Director is going gangbusters.
09:18:29 A lot of strategic planning, going on updating, tech and we're paying off the the last.
09:18:36 The building itself, will be paid off, and and the organization will be debt free as of December.
09:18:42 And yeah, it's it's moving along. Well, morale is very high, as well so that's going great.
09:18:48 We had a call in period for the the Rfp.
09:18:51 For the 1 48 and 149 fund.
09:18:54 The housing funds and homeless funds for the housing Fund board add one written question and and a couple of couple of questions and call, but addressed all of those I think
people are already, and at the Rfp.
09:19:09 Is open until the end of the month, and then I think we split our efforts, and I went down to habitats Landis Street, groundbreaking.
09:19:16 it was great. They'd already broken ground. You can see the shape of the of the houses, but talk to a lot of the people that are actually getting some of the houses.
09:19:27 Whether these or other habitat houses I'm not sure but you know it's workforce housing, and it's a lot of workforce that that we work with is is getting housed, because of this.
09:19:38 Project so it was really exciting there. Andrew was there, Mayor Faber, and it was a lovely event Yeah, I don't only cap board meeting in the evening, and everything's moving
well there getting ready, to apply for the the letter the commerce for a permanent kind
09:20:00 of purpose, built emergency shelter at A. Coswell Brown and feeling optimistic about that.
09:20:08 Let's see. Thursday. I could not get into the causal brown meeting.
09:20:14 I had an old lake I don't know. Did you go to that meeting Thursday?
09:20:18 The cosmol Brown meeting on Thursday. Did I go?
09:20:22 Yeah, I did that. Okay, I'll make sure that I'm not sure.
09:20:24 Haven't been in the loop for a little bit, so I'll catch up on that.
09:20:26 We had the Board of Health meeting. Good meeting ended up recommending that we do hybrid meetings in the the chambers here with the existing av capture technology, so we can
had transparency we had a a couple of robust Conversations.
09:20:43 You know both about the harmonization with the lot, a lot of legal record work.
09:20:48 The DCD. Is doing, and I think environmental public health has been working hard on that this past couple of weeks as well as you know where how we should do our meetings.
09:21:00 And one thing you know talking about kind of the training that this assault contract was was is to help work.
09:21:08 It's it's great to have you know, someone that deals with chronic illness on the Board of Health to kind of point out.
09:21:13 Sometimes when we are eager to get back in person, and and putting out the equity issues to make sure that we don't mandates in person, presence, you know, that's that for some
folks the the endemic situation that we're in with Now i'll say with with
09:21:35 Covid is still a real threat and there are transportation issues and other things.
09:21:38 So we'll always maintain a virtual option.
09:21:42 But we're gonna try to have our next Board of Health meeting in the chambers here using our our existing technology and the Icg.
09:21:53 Meeting was canceled. Let's see, on Friday we have the salish behavioral Health Administrative Service Organization Grant.
09:22:04 I did ask about the the opioid settlement award, and how that was going to be used and there's still rulemaking that's happening.
09:22:13 So by December, they should know, kind of how they're distributing that that that money or what the Rfp process, will be at at at any rate, I think I told you about the unfortunate
situation with discovery behavioral health and the employee that.
09:22:29 Went to little Rogue, so we dealt with that, and there were some concern members of the public that made some public comments, but really satisfied, as is the leadership of
the Bhasso, and how Dbh's has managed this process had a community center, meeting, you know, only Cap manages
09:22:48 the Tri area, the quill scene and Brennan community centers.
09:22:52 There is some talk in the community about trying to compete for that contract which comes up at the end of the year, so I I participated with the with the managers of the meeting
with the executive Director of olycap and the managers of the community centers on Friday
09:23:12 I was busy busy weekend, too, with lots of events.
09:23:14 You know the great, the quill scene Fair was was great, and they had opened their new Cte outdoor learning area.
09:23:22 So it was kind of the unveiling of that which is just stunning, And it's amazing what the the volunteers, students, the you know, the contractors who were going to build the
building, if the bond had passed volunteered their time and came out, every weekend from seattle and it looks
09:23:39 fantastic, the the fair Board did a great job. Excellent new signage, The parade was a lot of fun representative, Staringer and chatmen were out there and and Yeah, yeah, a
great time, and then did a little bit of farm tour stuff.
09:23:54 Over the weekend as well. And and yeah, just a lovely weekend.
09:24:00 So revitalizing and ready for another big week this week, and that was my last week. Busy week.
09:24:12 I had a really busy week last week, too, and I'll say I feel like I spent the entire week talking about Federal funding and learned a lot, and we'll hope to have an opportunity
to interject a number.
09:24:26 Of things I learned throughout the week, you know, in our meeting today, or an upcoming weeks.
09:24:35 so is that the Puget Time Partnership Leadership Council meeting on Tuesday and Wednesday in Ocarber, and a lot of that meeting was dedicated to talking about Federal funding
in part because a lot of Federal and State agencies are attend those meetings Okay.
09:24:51 and you know there's I'd say there's just generally a a real concern that agencies have, that they're going to be able to get these dollars out.
09:25:02 And you know everybody wants this. The number of bills that kind of total package of trillions of dollars to be successful in, you know, both in in building infrastructure,
and then also making some pretty radical changes to our economy and our particularly around energy But the you know, they're there just
09:25:21 hasn't been enough lead time to get projects ready to go.
09:25:26 and so it's a little distressing, and hope I mean, it sounds like the the White House and agencies are hearing consistently that in order for this to be a success, but you know,
governments.
09:25:41 Like ours, need technical assistance. We need capacity, so we brainstormed some ideas for how we might be able to, you know, even make it possible to to for us to to seek these
funds We We don't have the staff.
09:25:55 To to take on additional projects. And it's really such a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, And you know many, many governments are feeling like we are like, It's just gonna be
very hard to be able to take advantage of it so I think this is something we should continue to to
09:26:10 dig into and look for opportunities to send this message that we we need more help.
09:26:17 We we want to be partners in making this a success.
09:26:20 But it's it's very challenging. Couple of things.
09:26:26 I learned, for example, the bipartisan infrastructure package, 5% of all of the funds included in that went to the Inspector general to increase oversight for increased accountability
on those funds which is of course, understandable but the we
09:26:45 can expect reporting requirements to be even higher. So right now the Epa has to report monthly to the Inspector General instead of Quarterly on the funds that they are putting
out and so that that same increased scrutiny is going to be passed on to project proponents, making it even
09:27:02 harder to for for us to have the capacity to be able to.
09:27:07 Yeah, and manage these grants. So just a lot of structural challenges that it sounds like there is a a a consistent voice going to the administration.
09:27:19 But you know, we have a limited number of years to do this.
09:24:07 Indeed, Kate, how was your week
09:27:31 Oh, you froze! Can you hear us, Kate? No, she said.
09:27:35 She hooked her in. That would be reliable this morning. I guess it's not okay
09:27:44 Which is a very footogenic frame to stop on, at least halfway in word, holding holding her glasses.
09:27:54 I'll text her that we lost her. Yeah.
09:27:57 How you doing that. I'll just follow up one other thing from the Board of Health.
09:28:00 Was it the director? Apple talked a lot about the significant impact that the Osawa training was having with with Staff that was really they.
09:28:12 Were It was challenging and and very rewarding for for staff as their developing new skills and new ways of looking at situation.
09:28:21 So reinforcing It is, it is work, but they're doing there, and I'm glad they're doing that work Yeah, definitely.
09:28:30 well, I can. I can start up with Briefing, and then, if Kick comes back, I did text her and let her know that we lost her.
09:28:39 let's see. So last week I was here on Monday, of course, Tuesday morning I joined the Jefferson County Human Services roundup that's organized by the Ymca Navigator Tania Burnett
and Jim Jim King Fisher, at the community foundation that
09:29:02 is always a huge group with a robust kind of a lot of input and a short period of time.
09:29:08 So it's a good place to get an update from folks.
09:29:15 later that morning I had a conversation regarding the I know which Kate was here to hear this, but the straight Ern local integrating organization, fiscal sponsorship.
09:29:30 there have been some issues with in Odc taking over fiscal sponsorship of that contract, but I think we figured out a pathway forward.
09:29:41 And I am in the process of interviewing and surveying the others during committee members of the straight Iran and getting their input on our coordinator, who has traditionally
been a contracted coordinator becoming a staff member of nodc so still working on that and it's just
09:30:01 inviting a lot of conversations and kind of logistics.
09:30:05 But in the afternoon we had our behavioral Health Advisory Board meeting mark.
09:30:12 Join me on that call, and we talked about the funding level for next year, and beyond and beyond Yep, and also the ability to use behavioral health funds to cover the therapeutic
court coordinator position that was added recently so we're moving forward with that and coming up
09:30:38 with like a long, long term strategy for covering that capacity that will make our courts much much more efficient and collaborative.
09:30:48 and that is also another large table with a lot of good input from from vendors in the community and behavioral health board members.
09:30:59 Wednesday morning I had the encumbered lands, working group meetings, second of I'm probably 5.
09:31:07 It's gonna be. It's an interesting set of commissioners from rural districts, and it's you know me still being in my you know, early years as a Commissioner learning a lot about
the challenges that other commissioners face.
09:31:23 In Pacific, and what Kayakam and Schemenia and clam counties.
09:31:29 So, you know, kind of aligned in terms of issues, and but also we're learning what our differences are, and it's been a really valuable conversation to be a part of.
09:31:44 had lunch with a planning commission member on Wednesday just to talk about her experience with the planning Commission and DCD.
09:31:54 And how she sees things going, and that was a really productive conversation.
09:32:01 and then went down, for I for for my first groundbreaking as a commissioner.
09:32:07 I've been my first gold shovel for the point.
09:32:10 Hudson, jetty groundbreaking, and I have been around Point Hudson most of my life, and was afraid I was gonna break out into tears.
09:32:18 But I didn't, and it was a great, just a great moment, because it's we've been anticipating it for so long that we would be able to rebuild the breakwater down there so.
09:32:30 Good time to sell, and golden shovels Yeah, we have 6 of them now.
09:32:33 Atlanta Street. So I was glad that my first go Golden shovel event was one that I have deep history and and care for, and it will be really fun to watch that project unfold.
09:32:47 And they were moving stuff over our heads with the crane.
09:32:50 As we were digging the dirt down there, so that was a great event.
09:32:58 Thursday morning. Met with mark to do agenda prep.
09:33:03 And then had a I'll put together the a survey and pull for straight.
09:33:09 Ern staring committee members asking if they are supported.
09:33:14 Our approach of transitioning the coordinator roll at the straight to a staff person of an Odc.
09:33:23 And told folks if they wanted to have a follow up conversation to let me know via the poll.
09:33:29 So a few people have. So today, in the minutes between our conversations, I'll be having those conversations with some of the steering committee members.
09:33:37 So. But in general, so far, everyone's supportive of that approach for managing the Coordinator roll at the straight, and then, because Greg, was sharing the board of health
I went to the timber county's caucus.
09:33:56 Meeting, and can honestly say there are things that that meeting that I don't want to say in open session, and won't probably say at all.
09:34:07 But it was an extremely frustrating I I see, Kate grinning, meeting.
09:34:14 I felt like the timber and industry had kind of control of the meeting, and and anyway, so I've found that interesting and didn't find it to be a very valuable form for a conversation
amongst counties.
09:34:27 We're facing similar issues, but more of a grandstanding kind of event.
09:34:33 So then don't even know what this was. Oh, so then, on Friday I spent the whole day digging myself out of that depression by joining my colleagues on the Mrc.
09:34:49 At the straight, The Northwest Rates Commission Annual Conference for Marine Resource Committees, and it was really fun, cause it kind of was a full circle moment, for me because
during my entire campaign one of my best friends Caroline Gibson kept saying to me once you're
09:35:09 elected. She just figured it was a foregone conclusion We'll be able to go to these conferences together, and they'll be inspiring and fun.
09:35:18 And so it was inspiring, and fun for me to be there, but I Her face was with me all day, and and with everyone else's there.
09:35:26 There was a lot of remembering Caroline which was made of especially good that I was there and then Saturday.
09:35:34 There was a whole bunch of things I could have done as a commissioner, but I spent all day at Spring Rain Farm, helping them with farm tour because they didn't right wanted
help and it, was busy, there. Were like 200.
09:35:46 And 50 people that came to the farm on Friday or Saturday.
09:35:49 Sorry. And then Sunday I did things I haven't done for the last 6 weeks, so.
09:36:00 and Kate, do you? We're We're at 9, 35. I'm gonna close.
09:36:03 Public comment. See any more hands have gone up. Nope: closing public comments I'm gonna let Kate finish up her briefing cause.
09:36:14 yeah, sorry. And I My Internet is not reliable, even with lots of upgrades.
09:36:20 In the last 2 years. So if that happens again just now that I'll come back out as quickly as I can.
09:36:29 So, talking about being at the leadership council and getting some some good kind of insider knowledge in intel about infrastructure funding.
09:36:42 Maybe I m mentioned this already, but you know what one example the the Epa, which is usually an 8 billion dollar agency, has a 100 billion dollars to give out in the next few
years.
09:36:52 It's just massive, kind of change to how they have to operate.
09:36:59 so it's just unprecedented and I think we need to continue to position ourselves.
09:37:04 Well, Heidi, in relation to the Laos because the Laos, you know, kind of for the local fall under the the Pewdson partnership, model one of the solutions we did talk about was
that because the put it on partnership is building up some capacity to help
09:37:22 receive receive some of this federal funding Yeah, they're gonna be hiring staff to do that.
09:37:30 But and this is really at the request of the Epa, saying, You know so much of this funding is for fairly traditional infrastructure that counties and cities can be increasing
their their capacity by by participating pretty fully in the laos and in ensuring you know so if we have
09:37:52 probably that fit in, but we don't quite have the capacity for the L. I.
09:37:56 O, you know, could be kind of a a conduit to the partnership who is going to have that capacity so long as projects have co benefits, and so both infrastructure and some environmental
improvements which lot of the the program searches are explicitly asking for those kinds of co
09:36:14 She, we lost you for a minute
09:38:27 But that's not separate than our current approach of moving the coordination contract to a staff.
09:38:15 benefits. And so I think there is an opportunity just to continue to overlap more, maybe, with the Lao, to get some of that increase capacity support from the partnership, and
securing funds so more to come
09:38:34 Person it in Odc: right now. Okay, Okay.
09:38:37 Yup, no, not at all. And I did have an Nodec meeting last week, and we did talk about that also, and are supportive and moving forward as well.
09:38:51 Let's see how to couple couple of meetings on the child care project that is moving along.
09:39:00 Well, and so right now the the school district they'll be posting soon.
09:39:05 they, if they lease land, they need to do a 45 day notice to the public.
09:39:11 So the school Board still has to approve that final notice.
09:39:17 But that will be kind of going going more public by noticing that before the Board can vote on a final approval of that site being the designated site for un child care facility.
09:39:33 let's see like Thursday, said Nodc.
09:39:36 Meeting, talked a lot about Federal funding and infrastructure in that meeting as well.
09:39:42 There is some interest in the region putting together a that recompes grant application.
09:39:48 That's the 10 million dollars for 10 years. 100 million dollars for for 10 communities.
09:39:55 across the country, and representative Kilmer wrote that into the Chips Act, and very much with this region in mind, so Nodc is interested in moving ahead with that.
09:40:07 But till the rule writing is done, little little premature.
09:40:12 But starting to think about, what would the components of of that be probably be?
09:40:17 It's really about prime age, increasing prime age employment.
09:40:20 But could there be some connection with maritime blue? Perhaps you know there should be some some innovation, so certainly open to ideas and brainstorming.
09:40:31 could be a pretty massive investment in, and I our local economy.
09:38:45 Right.
09:40:38 And what do we want that to look like so more to come on that as well?
09:40:43 Kate, can I ask one question about that? Oh, oh, I lost her again to bring the other photo back up
09:40:55 Another photo. No. Last time when she crashed it was a better shot
09:41:00 Oh!
09:41:04 Hi: letter. Yeah.
09:41:14 Probably dial in for the audio. Allow her to not lose your connection.
09:41:19 Well, I'm maybe Well, we're waiting for Kate to come back.
09:41:22 I'll just finish up with saying that last week we all also not on the calendar, but threaded throughout the week some conversations about the Septage.
09:41:35 Bill we're working with Pinky and Jamie at Wasac to develop a policy proposal for a budget proviso.
09:41:45 For next legislative session to Friday.
09:41:52 Cap capacity study into the budget for the State to do a regional.
09:42:00 So Western Washington. Septage capacity study. And this is something that Pinky and I have been working on with.
09:42:06 I see Amanda's with us on at least on the attendee list, from good man sanitation, but she's been working with us on that as well.
09:42:16 Cause There's a a growing need to increase the capacity of our region to deal with solid septic solids, and the state mossack folks are hearing for more counties than just us,
and we've also been coordinating with more Counties than just us.
09:42:34 So there's Thurston and kids App and Pacific specifically right now, are needing to increase their separate capacity.
09:42:42 So we're moving forward with that, with the help of Wasack, which is great to have their help.
09:42:50 Kate, do you wanna Oh, good! You're on the phone now, too.
09:42:55 Wanna wrap up your your hmm briefing.
09:42:59 Sure. Can you hear me? All right.
09:43:03 Sorry about this. Yeah, so I will. I will stay joined by phone.
09:43:06 So even if I lose Internet, I can
09:43:11 Let me get back to me Calendar from last week.
09:43:15 Yeah. He heard you talking about some legislative work.
09:43:21 That is the other kind of primary theme of last week.
09:43:26 Number, of of legislative meetings, largely in preparation This week both Nola meets to talk about our legislative agenda.
09:43:41 pretty short list of items for consideration Compiled list of housing topics.
09:43:50 That's number of programs and and Jefferson, as well as a small committee of Lindsay, Shman Warwin, John Morrow and I came up with so we have that we have a number of but a
separate list of items that largely Colleen macular at the
09:44:12 Point Pa and I Cloudy, Dc. Compiled for kind of barriers for business.
09:44:17 on the Olympic Peninsula. All legislative ideas that the group will be taking a look at, and might be more like you know.
09:44:24 We'll just Nola. Lobbyists will support support those efforts as they come up more than kind of taking the lead on them, And then we have 2 issues carried over from last year.
09:44:37 That I think are more likely to be lead for Noah, which is the 2.0, 9 sales tax rebate from the state that deadlines, and then also the electrician apprentice So we're now at
a crunch point with the year.
09:44:56 apprentices and and rural like ours are.
09:45:02 They're not enrolled in a State apprenticeship program which are almost entirely union run, of which we have none.
09:45:09 Nothing like that here will no longer be able to work on any commercial and it will be almost impossible for them to get their hours when it really just cuts out an entire of
the the workforce career ladder for electricians so really problematic for not just for the people running those businesses but also for
09:43:00 Yup
09:45:32 all of us who need electricians on some people of a short notice which both businesses and homes do at some point.
09:45:40 So that doesn't They're likely to take up and then come up with some supporting.
09:45:47 I at least take support positions on number of other positions.
09:45:39 Hmm.
09:45:51 So or another number of other issues. If
09:45:52 Great pause there, because Dr. Barry has joined us, and it's 9 45, and then we can pick up where we left off.
09:45:57 Oh, great!
09:46:03 After okay.
09:46:05 Thanks. Thank you. Sorry I was not watching the clock
09:46:10 Good morning, Everyone nice to see you
09:46:06 Good morning. Dr: Barry. Yeah, Nice to see you, do you?
09:46:17 yes, yeah, I can go ahead and and go for it full disclosure.
09:46:22 I have a guest at home with me today, because daycare is close.
09:46:25 We may have a tiny guest join our feed at some point I'll turn off my camera if that happens But you might see her voice or hear her voice on the Covid front by and large the
news is good nationwide cases are down 29%.
09:46:41 Hospitalizations are down, 12% and deaths down However, we are still seeing over 400 deaths a day.
09:46:49 Do a covid 19 nationwide 464 as of yes, in the Stateall cases are down. 12% hospitalizations are down.
09:46:59 21%, and deaths are Jefferson County. Our case rates are actually slightly ticking up this week compared to last with diagnosed 5,785 cases rate of 364 400,000 with a 9.5% positivity
rate which puts that's that roughly a 50%
09:47:19 case ascertainment, rate We have no one currently hospitalized for a total of 150 hospitalizations.
09:47:26 One person was hospitalized last week, but there have been no new deaths.
09:47:33 COVID-19 It's a relatively small uptick, and we're not really seeing it anywhere else.
09:47:39 And our wastewater surveillance is continuing to downturn.
09:47:41 So our I'm not sure that we're really looking at a trend yet.
09:47:44 I'd really want to see that week over week, and I anticipate
09:47:49 In Clown County we have diagnosed 50,509 cases of COVID-19 and for a case rate of 186 per 100,000, with a 7 point, 5% positivity, We actually are looking at about a 50% case
ascertainment rate.
09:48:03 There, as well the lower percent positivity, but we also get lower home tests reported in Column County, but that actually does put column county in the moderate risk zone as
far as Covid 19.
09:48:15 Mission which does decrease some of the the masking recommendations.
09:48:20 Public, we do still recommend masking in kind, close, close proximity spaces where there are lots of people around that you don't know their vaccine status, but in smaller groups
where you know that everyone is vaccinated it's reasonable to go and nasty county at this time in Jefferson County We are
09:48:37 still in the high risk rate. Hopefully, we will see that Downturn in Column County.
09:48:45 We have 2 people currently in the hospital for COVID-19 for a total of 439 hospitalizations, and no new deaths a total of 124 deaths, in neighboring column county. At This point
the biggest news is What we talked about last week with the omicron-specific booster is available in our
09:49:01 community. We have 3 mass vaccinations scheduled for that booster.
09:49:07 They did fill up very quickly, and then we expect more slots, and those filled up as well The only one that's still available right now is South County and closing, and we really
are trying to keep that one for South County residents.
09:49:19 So if you live anywhere else in the county and you're looking for access to this booster, we do have it at many of our local pharmacies Safeway Tri area.
09:49:30 Pharmacy, and column. County pharmacies also received a relatively large distance You are able to travel to school.
09:49:37 It's perfectly acceptable to come to Squim to add vaccinations, because there's to demand in Jefferson.
09:49:46 we do, you are eligible for it. If you have completed your primary series, regardless of the number of boosters you as long as your last vaccine or infection, was at least 2
really you're gonna get your best.
09:49:58 Thing for Buck. If you have had your last vaccine or infection months ago. So unless you're in a very, very high-risk group like someone who's immunosuppressed, or someone who's
very elderly, and has multiple underlying chronic conditions waiting that 4 months.
09:50:10 since your last vaccine or in section going to get you the most benefit from on the Mtv front.
09:50:18 We still have no documented cases in Jefferson County, and only one confirmed case in Clown County with 2 suspect cases that have not completed tests at this time.
09:50:29 We have, 537 cases diagnosed in Washington States.
09:50:35 With over 23,000 diagnosed nationwide. We are really starting to see case rates slow down in Washington.
09:50:40 We are very hopeful about We think the primary driver of that really is increased access to vaccination as well as a lot of good messaging in the Lgbtq community to really reduce
transmission.
09:50:54 But if you are eligible for the genial effect scene, which is The; Pv. Vaccine, know that we do have it available in Jefferson and Clown County.
09:51:03 If you are a gear, bisexual man, or a transgender person who has sex you are eligible for genius, and you can call us at the health department. We will get it.
09:51:10 For you, if you have had an sei in the last year, you are also eligible for genius, or if you inject drugs that also makes you eligible any of those groups, please. Give us
a call, or if you have any questions in your interest, in the vaccine but you're not
09:51:25 sure if you're eligible, we have an active waitlist so definitely give us a call or sign up, online.
09:46:17 Wanna just kick off your great
09:51:30 And we can make sure and get you vaccinated as well. And so with that, I'm happy to take any questions from our commissioners
09:51:37 Greg: Yes, I have one question, you might notice, is coming, Dr.
09:51:42 Barry, but there was President Biden over the weekend it.
09:51:47 It seems like kind of declared the pandemic over.
09:51:41 Okay. Yes.
09:51:51 Yes.
09:52:01 Sure, so President Biden was asked the pandemic, and he said, The pandemic is over.
09:52:06 I think this is one of those moments where President Biden probably didn't pick his word quite as clearly as we would have loved.
09:51:51 And is that it? I mean, Are we in the endemic phase now, or can you, can you kind of talk about his comments and and your interpretation of them?
09:52:14 Hello, Bean. Are you joining the video? But I I think what what's probably a better way to characterize that is, we are truly transitioning to a different phase in the pandemic
moving to this endemic phase And What does that really mean that means the virus.
09:52:32 Is with us. We are still seeing a lot of transmission in our communities, and the fact that we're seeing over 400 deaths in the United States every day tells us that this is
still a very dangerous 5 But what really has made a huge difference how many of us have gotten vaccinated and are up to date on our
09:52:49 vaccines that's really decreasing the severity of the infection for the vast majority.
09:52:55 and we know that hybrid immunity, immunity from vaccination, as well as a breakthrough infection, does provide good potential as well.
09:53:03 And so between the number of us that have gotten Covid and the number of us that have been vaccinated for Covid, we really are seeing decreased decreased severity of illness,
And that's what Yeah, Yeah, right I apologize for the background noise.
09:53:20 You might be hearing. My daughter has a necklace which, having fun playing with Oh, across the
09:53:26 So that office. Oh, good! So that's all to say that I think it is appropriate for our response to transition.
09:53:38 we aren't in the space hospitals, overwhelmed critical infrastructure, overwhelming.
09:53:44 And that's really what we mean when we say we're transitioning to a different doesn't mean the virus is gone.
09:53:25 We can't hear it, so
09:53:50 Doesn't mean that it's not dangerous. It just means that we are because of all of the work that's been done
09:53:59 Thank you, and and just to follow up on that a little bit, you know, I continue to see folks that are especially you know, vulnerable for one reason or another, really being
very careful, and a lot of a lot of folks have a lot of fatigue over, you know, even even masking and I guess I'm
09:54:25 Yeah.
09:54:34 Sure. No, that's a really good point. So the
09:54:42 Among people who just never got vaccinated And so the the most important thing is to get vaccinated and to be up to That's the best thing we can do.
09:54:51 Lovely. That's the best thing that we can do to reduce our risk.
09:54:54 Okay, severe disease covid 19. But I think it is important for all of us to always remember there are individuals in our community who cannot be properly protected by vaccines
09:55:07 Either through medication or cancer therapy, or because of a genetic immunity, efficient, no matter how well vaccinated they are, they're still at risk and the biggest reason
why?
09:55:17 We feel mask and indoor space around those topics.
09:55:26 if you're in the grocery store you know, the best thing to do is to mask for the people around you.
09:55:30 But if you see someone who has a you know has it still has an N.
09:55:34 95 on. And you're saying, like, hey? We're in a different phase of the pandemic.
09:55:37 Know that that person might have a medical condition that you can't see or have someone in their home that has a the medical condition.
09:55:44 They can't see, and that's that's why
09:55:51 And that's why I really encourage all of us to still be thoughtful in public sleep. Where you don't know the status of the people around you.
09:55:58 We take these steps so that we can print And so those most important steps are getting back. To them, being up to date on your vaccines, getting the boosters as soon as you
are eligible, we are still recommending prioritizing all across specifically booster to those at highest risk for the next
09:54:17 wondering if you can talk about the really disturbing number of the 400 deaths per day in the United States still, And what are the Democrats that you know about that just to
inform our our response to this so we can protect their loved ones
09:56:28 Great thank you. And one last question, and I swear I'll be done.
09:56:33 as we move into more vaccine availability of the Macron specific vaccine, I I mean, I I'm thinking about travel in November and thinking, well, I should probably get it in you
know the middle of October to make Sure that i'm I'm
09:56:15 If you should be able to get it, regardless of your age, or risk factors status. And it's a good thing to do to protect and wearing a mask in indoor space Still, something we
recommend to protect your neighbors, as long as we're seeing this high risk of
09:56:48 reprotected by by the time that I'm getting on an air, and I'm wondering if there's any other.
09:56:52 Bs: Here
09:56:54 Or is that? What but
09:56:56 See the video
09:57:09 Yes, I would recommend we I would recommend you. Go ahead and get vaccinated.
09:57:13 once the most vulnerable are vaccinated.
09:57:16 If you if it's been, you know, 2 to 4 months since your last infection, as far as duration of protection it's still to know exactly how long we can expect Booster to last have
some good reason to believe that it will last longer than the things that came, the primary
09:57:35 reason for that is that it is omicron specific which is really the variant that we are seeing persist in our community.
09:57:44 And also based on the trials that we saw of the Pfizer and Moderna by Valentine.
09:57:48 Okay, the data we have on this vaccine actually comes from pfizer and modernist trials.
09:57:54 Looking at a bibleent vaccine with wild type, and B, a one which is isn't even circulating anymore.
09:58:00 And what they found was they saw neutralizing antibodies not just against Ba.
09:56:57 Hi! Any other good folks to get to the head of the line after our most vulnerable are vaccinated
09:58:03 One, but also against B, A, 4, and B, A. 5, which didn't even exist when that vaccine was created.
09:58:11 And so we're seeing greater neutralization from a bivalent vaccine for a longer period of time.
09:58:08 Hmm.
09:58:15 So that all gives us good reason to believe that this fact is gonna give us duration of protection against symptomatic disease much longer than anything
09:58:26 Great. Thank you. Okay, Do you have any questions?
09:58:32 Do not thank you.
09:58:37 So my only question was in response to an email we re we received last week about We're sending our emergency declaration and kind of how we move forward into that time where
October thirty-first It's recommended that we resend the emergency
09:58:38 Alright.
09:58:57 declaration, and it just makes me think about the logist logistics.
09:59:02 We can plan for between now and that time, including, I think we get a little bit less of your capacity.
09:59:00 Good.
09:59:19 to think about, away from orders makes a lot of sense.
09:59:25 As we transition to this new phase of the but it does affect things like slimming mechanisms.
09:59:31 The ability to rapidly access materials in in cases severe disease it would be harder to respond to without an emergency day And so that's just something we need to plan for
and certainly at the health department we're making a lot of plans around particularly the loss of funding a lot of the
09:59:49 work that we have done in the last year was funded by Federal funds that are exclusively related to Covid, and the emergency declaration and so we are having to shift our work
while still putting on mass vaccinations and so finding ways to take that to do the kind of
09:59:10 So maybe we need to do this offline, but I just want to put a pen in needing to have that conversation
10:00:10 Yeah, thank you. And I think that our committees who have been dealing with this emergency response will probably take up kind of the logistics of how we get there.
10:00:06 work that we need to do to
10:00:19 But just wanted to underscore the need to start doing that planning before the end of next month.
10:00:28 And I think as okay, I was just gonna say as a part of all of us, I think it's always important to remember that.
10:00:34 Hopefully. We've we've learned from the last couple years, and I think we all have agreed that the public health system phone with underfunded under staff before this. Happened.
10:00:27 I know there were. Oh, go ahead
10:00:45 And so as we move into this next phase, trying to think about what we want, our public health system to look like moving forward I don't think just going back the way things
were before is is the best move what can we do to make sure that our public health and this better able to to whatever comes and Yes, with
10:01:03 the I'm happy to move into some kptz questions.
10:01:08 We had a lot of very detailed questions today, kind of getting into the the nitty gritty, and I'm happy to to do dig into that for folks so one was from a listener who has has
autoimmune disorders and they were wondering about the vaccines in
10:01:23 the context of autoimmune disease. Yeah, little bit about vaccination and autoimmune.
10:01:29 Seated question. So those with autoimmune diseases are actually at higher risk of severe disease due to covid 20 of the biggest drivers of severe disease, hospitalization and
death due to covid 19 is actually this inappropriate activation of your immune system
10:01:52 in the early days. One of the biggest things that was actually killing most folks was their immune system over response.
10:01:57 And so, if your body already over responds to things, if you even more important to be, sit against, So that's why yeah, recommend that you get vaccinated and even if you have
autoimmune disease in particular, if you Because covid 19.
10:02:18 Is so now those with autoimmune diseases often experience.
10:02:23 Larry, of their underlying illness, because they like multiple sclerosis things like that when ever their immune system is activated.
10:02:31 And so that can be, or it actually can happen, due to vaccines.
10:02:38 However, we actually have been studying this since the Covid 19 vaccines came out thankfully.
10:02:42 So many people have gotten the Covid 19 vaccine.
10:02:45 So we have a pretty large data set that we can look at, and what we have seen is among individuals who have underlying autoimmune diseases.
10:02:51 About 40% of them were very concerned, they would have when they got vaccinated, but only about 5% of them did so.
10:02:59 The risk of a flair after vaccination is 0 but it is relatively rare, much rarer than most people.
10:03:06 But if you are, if you do have an underlying autoimmune disease, and you have questions about your vaccine definitely talk to your primary care provider, and they Can talk to
you.
10:03:13 About any changes they might need to make to your regimen, or what to prepare for around your vaccine is recommended because Covid 19 is so dangerous have an underlying autoimmune
it Also, there is no data to support the idea, that Covid 19 vaccines actually autoimmune disorders we haven't
10:03:33 seen happen. What we have seen is that we think of what drives long Covid is actually autoimmune disorders.
10:03:42 In response to the vex, not to the virus, not to the vaccine.
10:03:47 So we we think some of long Covid is actually new Auto abuse disorders in response to the have not seen that from that question in the context of autoimmunity, was that they've
been having relatively prolonged reactions, to their backs generally most people's, reactions.
10:04:05 to the vaccine license. A day or 2 is very atypical for them to last longer than a week.
10:04:11 But it sounds like this person has had that happen. And so in your individual case, had more severe reactions to the vaccine than average.
10:04:18 That's really something I would want you to talk to your primary doctor about who knows all of the details of your life on all the details, of your medical condition, because
it may adjust what they recommend around your vaccine but Yeah, So it's more about your own personal history, and how you've responded to
10:04:34 prior Yeah, recommendation. Not really the underlying autoimmune disease. And we don't generally recommend taking immunosuppression drugs around your vaccines unless that's
the recommended by your doctor because that's going to make you respond less
10:04:56 This next question was about the Ba. 1Â s: Do you want to come?
10:04:59 Be here. Oh, thank you. That's very beautiful. This next question was about the B. A.
10:05:05 4 point, 6 sub variant of omegapr. There's a lot of news coverage about B, A, 4.6 and concern that that might be the next large variants.
10:05:14 That we would see eliminates thankfully, even though there's a lot of concern about that.
10:05:21 We're not really seeing that play out. V. A 4.6.
10:05:26 Diagnosed in Washington, State of in May of this year, and it's consistently done less than 5%.
10:05:30 Okay, we've never really seen it overtake our dominant variant right?
10:05:38 So even though it sounds scary, it has some scary possibilities, and we've seen it take of it become a larger proportion of in other countries.
10:05:47 We just really haven't seen that shake out in the United States, and we definitely haven't seen that shake out in Washington.
10:05:51 So I would say, not a strong concern for me. At this, and we just haven't seen it overtake.
10:05:57 nothing's been able to do At this point B.
10:06:01 A 5 is 90%. The subvariance diagnosed in Washington State we have not yet had any diagnosed in Jefferson County, but of course we only see twin system.
10:06:12 so there may be some we don't know about, but it's not the dominant variant by any means.
10:06:16 Hum, That's the the main questions they had there. Oh, the other questions that they had was about.
10:06:24 have you shown so shell for a reminder is an injection for people who are immunosuppressed to reduce their risk of severe disease from It's a really good option if you're in
that group who can't fully respond to the backs this person was wondering about whether or not
10:06:41 we've seen decreased efficacy from ever-child to b a 4.6. We haven't really had large-scale trials looking at that but looking. At the monoclonal antibodies for treatments that
make up as
10:06:56 Yeah, kind of theoretical possibility that we see decreased efficacy.
10:07:02 There, but again still not the dominant variant by a long shot.
10:07:07 And so if you'reeligible for Avenue Shell, I would still recommend that you get it.
10:07:11 And right now we recommended every 6 here in that group They did also ask if the monoclinant antibodies that we currently use right them to lobbyab is still maintaining efficacy
be against Ba, for and it is it's the only thing that has shown strong
10:07:28 episodes.
10:07:33 So for those of you who don't dig this much in the variance that we a lot of numbers, and probably doesn't matter too much to you.
10:07:39 The world, The story is B, A. 5 is the code experience.
10:07:43 That is what is in that. That is what our current all crown.
10:07:46 Specific things are against. And so that's probably why we really
10:07:52 This next person asked
10:07:59 How likely was it omacron? If it was omicron?
10:08:02 Do we still need the Oma crown to? Okay, So if you had Covid in April, yes, it was almost certainly omicrons It was also almost certainly B a 2 which is not the current circulating
that was really the dominant subvariant at the time
10:08:17 currently 5 is the current dominating sub variant, and we are not seeing as much good protection from Ba.
10:08:24 2 against B, a 5, So if you got Covid in April you can count that up.
10:08:28 April, May, June, July, August. Through over 4 months since your vaccine.
10:08:33 So go ahead and get the own specific booster. If you're in a high risk, you get it right now. If you're not in a high risk group, get it in a couple weeks
10:08:42 Next question. The first person asked if we could talk a bit about super immunity.
10:08:49 this idea that when vaccinated people have a breakthrough infection, they have no stronger immune response.
10:08:53 Is that a real thing? How long will it last, and do these people need the omicron vaccine, So super immunity are commonly in and our world referred to as is an idea that really
came out in the winter of last year, based on a paper out of ohs what they found was that individuals who
10:09:14 were, fully who got Covid 19, and then got fully vaccinated, had a much stronger, immune response, and people who either just got Covid and didn't get vaccine or only got vaccinated
and hadn't had they actually tested it both ways they saw and they saw a very strong immune response
10:09:31 for Covid, and then got vaccinated, for who had vaccinated, who Where?
10:09:37 We're vaccinated, and then got a breakthrough.
10:09:39 In both cases they saw that those individuals developed more antibodies
10:09:46 So they found that they had better protection about again. Subsequent variance, even if that wasn't what they got in their infection.
10:09:53 Or in their vaccine. The downside of that data is that it was all on Delta.
10:09:59 So we don't have any of that data on omicron some variant on the back.
10:10:03 So we don't know how well it applies. The current circulation Good reason to believe that it does.
10:10:10 But I don't think we can rely on immunity from an infection to okay.
10:10:16 We're just such a different variant of the virus that if that's when you last got infected, we can't really count on that hybrid immunity.
10:10:24 Getting us through. It definitely helps, but the extent to which it helps for Omicron is much less.
10:10:33 We have good reason to believe that if you are fully vaccinated and got omicron, you likely have better hybrid immunity.
10:10:37 Yeah. And omicron, very sub variance. But we don't really have the data for it.
10:10:42 Yeah, it's just so. Yes, you have hybrid immunity from study of the variance.
10:10:49 Do go ahead and get vaccinated because you don't.
10:10:52 It's hard to know specifically what sub variant you've got depending on when you've got your infections.
10:10:57 So it's then 4 months or more. Go ahead and get the
10:11:06 And last, but not links also a question about the vaccine.
10:11:07 What benefits can we expect from the new, bivalent, omicron? Same?
10:11:10 How long will the benefits the primary benefit we express from this decides to prolonged protection against severe disease, is that we do expect better protection against symptomatic
disease.
10:11:21 At all from the overran specific because it is updated to Omerkron.
10:11:29 now, and that very it's this is the first time we have a vaccine that's really targeted against the
10:11:38 first time in a long time, and so we expect to see more prolonged Protection against any systematic is from that booster and that's based on that.
10:11:50 Yeah, So I do recommend it. I think it's a really good vaccine, and I think it can really help us move it successfully and safe to the next thing transfer and get many more
individuals goes through our own protection and our reduced risk transmitting covid to other people I
10:12:08 see that markup vaccinated. Thank you. Good thing to do for yourself and others, and certainly I'm not in a very high risk group, so I'm waiting a couple of weeks.
10:12:18 But then, once we get past the phone, fine
10:12:06 Bye.
10:12:26 Yeah, I'll put a plugin for safeway there.
10:12:25 Other questions from our commissioners and
10:12:40 I can say my mom got hers the same day. The drive through was really good and well received by the community.
10:12:29 Drive through on Sunday. There was no way. In the afternoon I got my flu shot, and the omicron booster at the same time took 10Â min
10:12:54 I'll just put my standard plugin for the Tri area pharmacy.
10:12:45 A good option for for locals. If you live in the port towns, an area go ahead and head through some, or if you live in Clown County, our safe way meeting as well
10:12:59 I, My mom went there last week and got her booster with friends, and they got there early, and by the time they left the line was long, so there's a little local intel about
the tri area Pharmacy get there early, or a little before they open or start doing their vaccinations if you
10:13:15 don't wanna wait the line, but the line does move quickly, So any other questions for Dr.
10:13:21 Barry this morning do we Do we not have Willie today?
10:13:12 Yes.
10:13:23 I don't use on vacation again. Oh, okay, well, he's on vacation.
10:13:28 I'm saying that out loud, alright. Well, I mean if we've got time to kill, I guess Dr.
10:13:28 okay.
10:13:33 Barry, I'm wondering if you can. Just I asked you about this, the Board of Health meeting.
10:13:37 Good.
10:13:51 Yeah, So initially, we open the vaccines up to everybody without kind of a zip code cover to figure out.
10:13:56 Where are you? Are living? And what we found was all 3 filled up immediately, and most of the folks who filled up the same county That scene actually lived in North County in
the port towns, and area because there's so much demand in that area, but South county really has very few resources they don't have
10:14:14 pharmacies that are doing vaccinations, and many people struggle with Trans.
10:14:18 And so what we did was we opened up more slots in the North County vaccinations, and move folks up, and so we are.
10:14:28 We do still have slots in the closing clinics.
10:14:30 So if you want to sign up, But we're really trying to hold that for South County residents.
10:14:34 The other thing that we are doing is we do home visit vaccines.
10:14:37 So you don't have access to trail. Yeah, or if somebody in your family wouldn't tolerate a mass So particularly people, with developmental disability often don't tolerate the
big gymnasium vaccinations, that we do we can bring that thing to
10:14:52 you so you can sign up online, or you can give us a call, and we'll make sure and bring vaccines here home We're happy to do that the other big thing is South county is we're
vaccinating the whole family regard of age so if you have if you have kids who
10:15:07 haven't yet been vaccinated or not gotten their boosters.
10:15:10 We'll have all the formulations at the South County vaccine that's vaccination site so that we can catch folks if you're living in North County and wondering why we don't, do
that there it's just because the North end of the county has more resources to do that and in
10:15:24 South Kenny. There really aren't those And so we want to make sure.
10:13:38 But just talk about, You know, mass vaccination modifications. We're We're doing to try that to make sure that you know folks that live remotely can access those more remote
back mass vaccination clinics
10:15:35 Thanks so much. Any other questions, Kate.
10:15:30 that we can catch them up to, so we'll vaccinate your whole family
10:15:43 No, I am. I'll just say I'm I'm working from home today with a cold and you know, really appreciating that we have this option, and it you know, the world really has changed
I wouldn't have thought twice about coming in with a new cold to work you know, 2 and a half years ago
10:15:58 and now it's like oh, right, it's I will just where you all getting this virus.
10:15:42 I was just
10:16:04 And yeah, appreciating that can still take part comfort of home without resonavirus round
10:16:13 Well we appreciate that, Kate. Indeed.
10:16:26 So I spent much of Friday and driving with a former dialeride driver for the for Jefferson transit, and I was just wondering if we've used dialer ride at all to get people to
vaccination clinics, or vaccination sites I don't I don't
10:16:18 Thank you for doing that. Public health appreciates. And Chris, everybody who has that option to work from home and stay home
10:16:42 know, transit would do that, but it just seemed like an a way to get somebody was having a really hard, time getting to a vaccination clinic or a vaccination like a the trier
pharmacy or some other site how do we How do we deal with those the you know extremely difficult situations for
10:16:44 Yeah.
10:17:07 No, I'm not sure we have used to, all right, but we are happy to bring vaccine to anyone, regardless of where you are.
10:17:13 In the case Me if you can't if you don't have transfer.
10:17:02 people have logistics in their way.
10:17:16 We've been doing home visits. Gosh! Over a year, and so we'll do.
10:17:22 We'll do home visits for anyone in the county who doesn't have access to but Dalerides one other option to bring folks to to our sites.
10:17:30 So if that's an option one other way to get back there.
10:17:35 But don't let transportation be a barrier to you.
10:17:17 Great
10:17:40 That's great. I don't have any other questions, thank you.
10:17:47 It's 1017. We can let Dr. Barry get on with her day.
10:17:50 Her She saved a few minutes for herself here and maybe we'll take a sure.
10:17:57 Do we wanna do calendaring, or do we wanna take a recess before we have our 1030 closed session?
10:18:02 I'm fine either way. It sounds like, I mean, that's I'm fine either way, too.
10:18:07 So maybe we can hear from Mark about his past week, and I wasn't sure that Kate was done, because I kind of nipped her in the bud there.
10:17:38 We will. They'll bring a vaccine
10:18:18 So, Kate. Any last briefing items from last week
10:18:27 Okay, 3Â min or less. So the twelfth all day, with the board on the thirteenth public sector cabinet, and 18, both of those were canceled because Erin and Kevin couldn't make
either one.
10:18:44 Of those meetings at the last minute we did have a behavioral health advisory and a committee meeting that I thought went quite well.
10:18:52 we secured agreement with them, board for fun, therapeutic courts on an ongoing basis, which is those are the wings.
10:19:02 That's good. Then on the fourteenth, the big thing that day was, we check void from the Risk pool, since I was officially appointed as the First, manager.
10:19:15 I had to take training from the pool. So I've got that out of the way.
10:19:19 One more training requirement to to complete, and then I'll be fully qualified.
10:19:27 Thursday was an open day, so I got to deal with number per personnel and budget issues, and then Friday we have the Jefferson County coordination meeting the Covid One and that
was a pretty good meeting and I I've got a couple of things to share.
10:19:48 About that meeting, and we did talk about the end of the the governor's emergency proclamation, and we had a general discussion.
10:19:57 But Sarah Melonson and Kate and Philip Hun sucker.
10:20:02 We're not present at that meeting, and so we didn't a lot about the temporary covid policy.
10:20:08 I think we're on Number 12 but we're gonna have to issue another, or maybe rescind Number 12.
10:20:16 But we'll talk about that at the next meeting. There there was some sentiment that even after the emergency decorations are lifted, that there's some demand for an ongoing monthly
meeting.
10:20:32 Okay, we would invite all 3 board members to just sort of like the Quarterly that we have with the electives and department directors.
10:20:41 But this would be open to anybody who would want to attend, and then there we would put an agenda together, but we'd have a round table, and anyone attending the meeting could
bring up any subject and they just feel that that would miss us together, more completely than we are now having an opportunity to to speak
10:21:02 with you 3 on a Monday. Typically Mondays or orchestrated.
10:21:06 There's not that much opportunity for free ranging conversation.
10:21:10 And so I'd like to board to take that under advisement, and when we have our next coordination meeting we can talk about that further.
10:21:18 But certainly in this or if you want to give me feedback right now on that idea, I'd certainly be receptive to receiving it.
10:21:30 and then regarding Covid Updates, you know, with we talked to very scaling back down to 8Â h a week after the declaration is lifted.
10:21:41 Then maybe we can, rather than a weekly, maybe a monthly, with Dr.
10:21:45 Barry, or every 2 weeks, or maybe it's not always a health update.
10:21:51 I feel like it could be a different kind of update, too, if we have other work that we're working on, or something down with that right? So this whole pandemic and and you know
the meetings we put together, that to manage the pandemic certainly can continue to be a value obviously morph
10:22:08 and serve a different purpose. Yeah, And I'm absolutely in favor of of more facetime with with staff and and learning about their how it is on the ground.
10:22:20 So I'm all in favor of a open public meeting.
10:22:22 Stakeholder, community. Okay, And you know, Staff right there, she'd have to notice it every week, or whatever, or we could notice the phone years worth of meetings.
10:22:35 If it's once a month, yeah much like State does with her finance committee meetings and the Budget committee we say, here's when they are, and so that covers a notice requirement
for the full year provides people the opportunity to be aware of them if they know, what all those dates
10:22:54 are ahead of time, and it also is a great community. Outreach and education.
10:22:59 Opportunity for us, and it'll further the public understanding of what we do here, how we work together, meet the user.
10:23:08 So okay. So we'll we'll talk about that some more.
10:18:24 why don't we let Mark go? And then, if there's time I'll jump back in
10:23:20 I think it's a great idea would appreciate more time Directors and fellow electives, and I think that finding a time that works for everyone is going to be difficult so. You
know we we were able to do that for the covid coordination meeting and you know the reason.
10:23:38 I didn't attend last week is because as a result of that meeting I'd been neglecting 2 other boards, probably 3 other boards that I've just haven't been going to those meetings
thinking that the Covid emergency, would end, and so but you know eventually We'd stop having those on
10:23:54 Fridays: So yeah, anticipate it's going to be a challenge to find a time that works in for most folks certainly open to.
10:23:13 But thank you. And you know, Kate, do you have input? On that? I'm sure you do
10:24:11 Anything else from last week, Mark lost my way just a little bit.
10:24:06 It. And so the concept
10:24:21 No, that. Was it great? Just reading Last thing.
10:24:28 Have a couple. I have a couple more things I wouldn't mind mentioning from last week
10:24:39 Great. Yeah, So mentioned that just like everybody is trying to to come up with their legislative agendas these days.
10:24:50 so be meeting this week with Nola and legislative steering committee.
10:24:54 Washack, and you know it's interesting. We we this board hasn't actually done a legislative, agenda in the past, and I don't know if that's something We We want to.
10:25:02 Think about seems like with our voices being used in other places.
10:25:12 the work that we do through a number of organizations and other boards that has critical to me.
10:25:18 But but it is probably a discussion we should have. Whether we want to take that on In fact, maybe maybe we should put a placeholder in an agenda soon to to look at various
the outcomes of some of these.
10:25:31 Legislative, that we're doing with partners both at counties and peninsula.
10:24:32 Great. We've got time
10:25:37 Here, and then we could further that discussion If we want to take on other issues
10:25:45 Yeah, yeah, cause I I know there are, you know, probably forestry things you're working on.
10:25:49 Heidi. That it would be good for me to know about it too.
10:25:43 That sounds like a really good
10:25:52 That might not come up to the you know, washac level, or I don't know
10:26:00 Okay, yeah, yeah.
10:25:57 No, so mostly septage issues for me.
10:26:05 Okay. So Mark, maybe if we could add that at a legislative update to an upcoming Monday sessions
10:26:16 other quick things. I attended an events, some evening last week in Seattle with my husband's that ends up being much of a much greater benefit to me than to him.
10:26:30 housing provider there that works nationally and works in a number of rural communities, and there are a number of of folks who who manage kind of complex housing deals.
10:26:44 It was really really great to just Everybody took a lot of interest in little Jefferson County, and and was there nonprofits that to handle, You know, New market text and low
income housing tax credits, and Yeah, I know, only has has just gone through this with seventh, payment.
10:27:02 Project and I know that it's a ton of work, and that they have learned a lot.
10:27:06 But you know often there is a consultants or an organization that helps do some of that work, and it was great, and, like 4 different, people sat down with me and talked to
me about the challenges of rural but the opportunity is there and I get a lot.
10:27:21 Of numbers, of to do this work. And so it was.
10:27:26 I learned a lot, And I think, if feel like I have a lot more resources.
10:27:29 If if we are to, you know, I identify any any other potential housing projects, and so super useful, and look forward to bringing some of that to the Housing Fund board, and
already connected with John Morok Evansist is probably the you know kind of the Pipeline already to benefit from
10:27:52 something like that. So we're gonna follow up with some of those contexts had a municipal Research Service Center Board meeting on Friday, and just really pleased to hear that
the electronic bidding system is gonna be online.
10:28:10 Soon, so we as members will be able to use that if we so wish we'd be talking to Monty about it later this week.
10:28:16 But you know this is a system whereby we could, we could put out bids, and they could be received electronically.
10:28:24 You know we had that situation recently where a a regional bitter got held up at the Hood Canal bridge and didn't get their bid here on time, you know, just by a few minutes,
and this you know we we have a pretty old fashioned bidding system and ms c
10:28:40 was hired basically by the Legislature to figure out how to do this electronically.
10:28:46 So that will be unrolled soon, which I think is, gonna be a great asset, should we choose to use it.
10:28:55 And then yesterday I was asked to to speak kind of from a rural county perspective at the Washington.
10:29:02 Wildlife and recreation program annual events, and it was
10:29:12 Nonprofits in the conservation world, and just good good conversation about the kind of challenges you know, for rural countries like ours that want to do a lot of conservation.
10:29:22 But but our system is set up to disincentivize that, and some of the challenges associated with it.
10:29:28 So good conversation, and hopefully. Some follow-up will come from that.
10:26:10 Sure.
10:29:37 Perfect timing. It's 1029 and a half, so we have a 1030 closed session.
10:29:50 When the clock turns to 1030, I will do my preamble to that, and we will move to our closed session. So we're checking to make sure David 14.
10:30:00 Was here. Okay, you might be already in the other zoom room post session.
10:30:07 I thought he was going to be in the room, disagree Kate hasn't instructions of how to get in there.
10:30:14 David's already in the room. Okay, great. Was he joining us remotely?
10:30:17 Yeah. Oh, yeah. We're using the other. Yeah, you guys can leave And I will.
10:30:24 It's 1030. So I am going to announce that we are going into a closed session with our county administrator, human resources, Director Shit, our sheriff, our under Sheriff and
our jail superintendent to discuss collective bargaining professional negotiations, or
10:30:42 grievance or mediation proceedings, or to review the proposals made in negotiations or proceedings while in progress.
10:30:49 Not. This is not subject to the Open Public Meetings Act.
10:30:54 As outline in Rcw. 42, dot 30, that 1 40 parentheses, 4 parentheses; B.
10:31:00 We're going in now at 1030, and we we will be back with you at 11.
11:00:14 Okay, we're all back here together, and I will just say we are coming out of closed session, and we are not taking action.
11:00:26 So back to the irregular business of the county, where we, were.
11:00:34 We all done with briefing, or did anything else come up that folks wanted to share from last week
11:00:42 Okay, anything else from you, Kate: Nope: Okay, So do we wanna do calendaring now?
11:00:49 Oh, yeah, my proclamation I Will start.
11:00:53 My this this agenda. Item Off with an apology.
11:00:58 This proclamation is way overdue. It was intended to be for the last week of August, and it's the local local local month, and I just feel like it's important to recognize it
while we're still in the month, and coming off of a a successful farm tour weekend for
11:01:18 our farmers just this last weekend, and a busy summer for our farmers, markets, and I can say firsthand, I know how hard our farmers have been working this summer.
11:01:31 The season's been odd at best. Started out cold, and is extending longer than anyone expected, so everyone's was nervous at at the first, and now is working longer than they
probably expected, so I am I have to find it I'm happy to.
11:01:52 Start or someone else can start reading. There, Get there? Well, I've got it up.
11:01:58 I can. Are you ready, though I don't want you?
11:02:01 Well, I can't. I'm not there yet. See, here we go.
11:02:05 Maybe I'll open this way
11:02:09 Okay, I've got it now. Okay.
11:02:16 so apology to our farmers for being late with this, but we we appreciate you, and want to proclaim this month September, as eat local month, and I will start off whereas the
Salish sea region.
11:02:33 Has provided a rich bounty of local foods from both the water and the land, which is Stewart, which has been steward by the Scalam people and other visiting tribes since time
and Memorial, and Whereas Jefferson County, Washington is home to clean streams Shellfish
11:02:50 beds and marine waters, as well as fertile valleys, and lush forests.
11:02:54 In a temperate climate, all of which contribute to the diverse and abundant wild and cultivated foods available here and
11:03:14 Whereas Jefferson County, Washington, residents seek locally grown, produced and harvested food products.
11:03:21 For many reasons, including good nutrition, to live in a more sustainable way for our environment, and to support support our local economy and communities.
11:03:31 And whereas myriad local organizations have worked together for 16 years under the umbrella of the Jefferson land works collaborative to preserve hundreds of acres of prime
farmland that support environmental restoration assist in sustainable business, planning and encourage local investment.
11:03:01 whereas since the nineteenth century this region has been home to many farms, pretty a wide range of crops for local consumption, as well as for sale throughout the Puget Sound
region and beyond
11:03:47 and
11:04:01 Whereas local food production leads to greater resilience and food security and reduction of the carbon footprint of our food, supply and whereas eating more, Jefferson County
grown food helps preserve Jefferson County's rural working landscape and the way, of life we Cherish
11:03:53 Whereas Jefferson County, Washington has seen ongoing economic growth in the food and farm sector more more dollars recirculating in the local economy and
11:04:18 and
11:04:28 Whereas supporting farmers, markets, groceries, restaurants, and institutional buyers who support Jefferson County is local farmers, producers, and fisheries also helps contribute
to all of the above and whereas Jefferson County's Twentieth annual farm Tour is
11:04:20 Whereas Jefferson County, Washington, strives to ensure all of our residents, have access to healthy local food, regardless of income, and
11:04:53 Now, therefore, the Jefferson County Board of County Commissioners proclaims number 2222 as each, local month be it further proclaimed that the Board of Commissioners urge all
citizens to join them in encouraging residents and visitors alike to join and celebrating eat first eat local
11:04:45 September sixteenth, through eighteenth, 2,022 and
11:05:08 first eat local month campaign, and hereby proclaim September the twentieth, 22 to county eats. Local month claimed this nineteenth day of September, 2,022
11:05:19 Thanks, Everyone.
11:05:27 I'll second all in favor. Hi again! I apologize to our farmers and local food producers that we're tardy with us, but no started of heartfelt support.
11:05:25 I'll move to approve the proclamation as Red
11:05:44 For your work absolutely. Can I make one? Yeah, Yeah, I think so. We should.
11:05:51 Maybe next year. Also address those who grow their own food.
11:05:55 I think that's not quite addressed in here, but a big part of eating local and and part of the splendor of our area is that many people can and do have, you know, doesn't take
a very large garden plot to to grow up significant part of your own own calories and they're
11:06:09 all always healthy calories, so really encourage everyone to get into it, get their hands dirty, including your 3 commissioners.
11:05:47 We might be too busy to notice
11:06:17 We all grow our own, some of our own, and they yeah.
11:06:22 And I I thought in the middle of the night last night, when I wake up with these thoughts, I was like, Maybe we can and if videos listening, or Carolyn can pass along that,
maybe we put these in our Agenda Planner for next, year, okay, okay, right okay, so we
11:06:43 are here with time, It's it's just after 11, and our next timed item on our agenda is not until 1 30 this afternoon, so we do have time for ca calendaring, and we may break
for lunch early and so anyone ready to start off.
11:07:04 With their week or big items, on their dinner in the weeks ahead.
11:07:09 I can. I can start. Let's see today. Have the the Northwood Canal Chamber of Commerce Board meeting after this I'm gonna have to rush out asap down in Brennan today.
11:07:23 Everyone is welcome at the Britain Community Center, and then campaign forum also in Brennan.
11:07:31 tomorrow. Talking to new organization down and in quill seeing about kind of the advantages and challenges of nonprofit status looking forward to that then I'm doing a meeting
with Thurston, county joining their new homelessness task force group to kind of share how how We've been managing it and
11:07:53 how we set ours up so love it when Jefferson County is a model for the larger counties around.
11:08:02 then I will. Let's see meeting with the Quilting Food Bank that with that Jefferson County Food Bank, about the quilting project that I think is underway now building their
own and bespoke food pantry down in quilting then have the harm reduction in south county
11:08:20 meeting Tuesday afternoon as well, and then, Oops, I want to alright.
11:08:29 I lost my then on Wednesday, have the developers meeting for Seventh Haven and have an exit.
11:08:39 They audit exit conference for Olympic agency on aging, and then we have our Housing fund board one of the committees.
11:08:49 That we have is the Community Conversation committee and we're looking to kind of duplicate some of the meetings and robust conversations with lots of stakeholders that our
our old task force had and was and we actually heard from a lot of the housing vendors that
11:09:06 they're ready for a talk as well. Some some, so we'll including them in that conversation to see how we can't and amplify their their missions.
11:09:16 And then on Thursday, twenty-second, we have a Jeff Com meeting.
11:09:22 It's I think maybe gonna be all zoom, though it's listed at the Portland Low fire and rescue.
11:09:27 I think we're gonna move those meetings in the future.
11:09:28 The hybrid meetings today the chimic on fire station.
11:09:32 We have a a solid waste advisory committee.
11:09:34 Thursday afternoon, and then Friday is pretty open, so nothing on it there.
11:09:45 But you know busy times, and then, of course, this weekend I'll be going to the accordion festival at Fen River as well as the film festival in Port Townsend So love.
11:09:53 This time of year and in in Jefferson County, and that's my week
11:06:18 Exactly. Yeah.
11:10:08 I also have a busy week, Yeah, the meeting this evening with a group of community folks are interested in helping out with the pump tract projects at the fair grounds, really
grateful that community members are stepping up net project tomorrow.
11:10:26 I have Economic Development Council Finance Committee meeting, followed by a I'm trying to think of the acronym.
11:10:37 Try climate and health. The state of Health Odds, Department of health, public health and climate, initiative.
11:10:53 A 3Â h meeting in the middle of the day tomorrow, followed by the North Olympic Legislative Alliance Steering Committee, where we will
11:11:04 A high school. Girls, soccer game tomorrow evening at Memorial Field.
11:11:11 If anyone's interested in coming to cheer along the rivals for sounds an instrument come combined.
11:11:17 Team. Wednesday. I have a Washington Sea Grant during committee retreats, although I just got a an email that's that might be rescheduled, which would be a way easier for me.
11:11:31 Actually, timing isn't great, but sounds like they also have a nasty cold going around Washington secret that might be kept.
11:09:59 Dinner to levy this time of year. Kate, what's your week look like
11:11:42 that does beg the of Id you had. We're thinking about attending the who's not coordinating Council annual meetings.
11:11:53 Yeah, yes, which would be would be great if you were able to be there in my place, because it conflicts with the the sea Grants Annual meeting.
11:12:05 But I haven't been able to get clarification if if we are alternate for each other, there's always, you know.
11:12:10 Every board is different of you know, Could you be there in in my place as my alternate, which I think you could, I think that's how we do.
11:11:52 On Wednesday after yeah.
11:12:27 I am, I am available to attend. I'll miss the shimmick of empowered Dean's coalition meeting by attending that.
11:12:36 But then immediately after that, too, I have a Mrc.
11:12:18 The the coordinating council. But I haven't been able to get clarification yet. So you're planning, hoping, or planning to attend
11:12:55 Okay? Well, I I'm sorry that I don't.
11:12:57 I have some uncertainty about that, but I will let you know as soon as I get the answer on both of those, whether my C.
11:12:43 Subcommittee meeting, but I can, if I can do, it virtually. I can't attend the entirety of the hook now coordinating council meeting, and I'll just let Andrew know that missing
empowered teams tomorrow
11:13:03 Grant needs is canceled, and if you can be an alternate which I make sure you can just want to verify.
11:13:12 If not, then I will leave the See Grants meeting early to vote on the budget.
11:13:21 It's the annual meeting of the correct So it's pretty important to at least lay eyes on the agenda.
11:13:27 Hum, so Thursday, I should say that the seat, my, the C.
11:13:35 Grant event, goes well into the evening. On Wednesday, Thursday I have a legislative steering committee.
11:13:41 Richard, in Ellensburg, so be out of the office that day.
11:13:50 Friday have Olympic Consortium board the Workforce Oversight Board on Friday morning.
11:13:57 Then Friday afternoon for a medical appointment, then back.
11:14:03 Later in the afternoon, for more like legislative work to talk about the Point 0 9 Bill, with our crew.
11:14:11 let's try. To be done in time for the Caroline Gibson Memorial Scholarship awards, and then, looking forward to the film festival.
11:13:09 Okay, great.
11:14:24 Great, so tomorrow, well, actually, today, I probably will not attend to Wasack.
11:14:32 I don't know if we noticed it. I don't.
11:14:34 Even if we did that. But I need to do some phone calling for a stranger in question.
11:14:39 So I'm not a planning to attend Wasack today.
11:14:46 I tomorrow. I'm participating in interviews for our Central services.
11:14:49 Director, candidates with Mark and Sarah and others, and that will be much of the day.
11:14:57 From 9 30 to 2 thirtyish. I have blocked out, and then in the afternoon, I'm gonna do some work preparing for a meeting with Mallory on Wednesday on Wednesday.
11:15:10 We have a straight er n legislative agenda setting, mostly confirming the priorities.
11:15:16 We've already set Wednesday morning, first thing and then a meeting with Mark and Mallory to talk about the updated chicken scope of work.
11:15:26 I'm getting to go out in the early afternoon or the very middle of the day, to the sheriff's office and do some virtual reality training.
11:15:37 Got it with Brandon. Just cause I'm curious what what it is, and haven't spent enough time out there.
11:15:44 I don't feel like so I'm looking forward to doing that.
11:15:47 And then, as we just discussed, we'll attend the hooking out and you can now coordinating cancel annual meeting and board of directors meeting Per Kate.
11:15:55 If she gives me the high sign for that, and then, if not, I will attend the beginning of the chimenoman power teens.
11:16:03 Coalition meeting, and then leave that for joining the Marine Resource Committee.
11:16:10 Derelict vessel, committee that I'm part of on Thursday.
11:16:18 I have a meeting with my trust line transfer conservation advocates and I have agenda prep with Mark.
11:16:28 I had the Nodec monthly meeting on there, just in case it I needed to go for around the straight year and stuff.
11:16:36 But I think, Kate, you'll probably be there right at the Nrdc on Thursday.
11:16:43 No.
11:14:21 This weekend
11:16:47 Oh, maybe that's why it's so. That's why it's on my calendar.
11:16:53 Okay? So I'll attend the beginning and the end of that meeting.
11:16:56 But not most of it, cause I'll be doing agenda prep with Mark, unless we can shift that later.
11:17:00 Bill. Talk with Mark about that Thursday evening finishing my tamali prep for the in-person straight.
11:17:08 Ern. Meeting on Friday, which will be my first in person, straight, Ern meeting, and I This time I'm going whether it's just me and care there or not, which last time it was
I think, Karen maybe one other person there and I didn't go but this time i'm gonna join
11:17:22 her, and and then come back in the afternoon for the Caroline Gibson Memorial scholarship, recipient presentations, at the maritime center, and then on Saturday I fully had
attend intended to attend the recording festival, but We got our invitation, to the
11:17:46 spencer forest products, open house and forks where they're gonna show the the new mill sites that just came this morning.
11:17:54 So that was one thing I was like Do you want to go to this?
11:17:57 Being closer to your district in mine, or anyway, they are doing a open house at the Allen Mills site for Spencer Forest products which and it's an exciting development with
people taking out taking up ownership of mills that have Long been closed or mothballed in our community and this
11:18:17 is the first invitation, or opportunity I've seen to go out and see what Spencer Forest Products is planning to do.
11:18:24 There! So Greg or I will be arm wrestling for accordion, festival.
11:18:33 Slash, mill tour. They only had an accordion player.
11:18:36 There yeah, both. But then Sunday, the accordion festival does continue.
11:18:41 Okay. Yeah, So that's my this week. And I won't go into that.
11:18:50 Next week, although I feel like next week. There's a lot quite a few really chunky meetings, like big long meetings, and just put it a pin in the fact that I will be out of
office.
11:16:48 no.
11:19:15 Hum. For the reminder. Heidi. I should, say I will also be gone.
11:19:20 Maybe this I'll be in Minnesota was, I think, also the
11:19:01 October the sixth and seventh and celebration of my anniversary, not 22 years, young lady, and counting
11:19:31 And seventh, maybe fifth, 6, 7, We will not have a quorum in county if we needed it.
11:19:42 Hmm.
11:19:48 Do we Is that a problem? Okay, at the end of the week it's October.
11:19:42 That's why I
11:19:56 No sixth and seventh. We won't have a Thursday and Friday I can zoom in
11:20:08 No, we can zoom in. Yeah, we could assemble the virtual pretty quickly.
11:20:13 Yeah, Hi: this is in Jefferson County. It is Yeah, it's in Jefferson County, but it's in your Yeah, district.
11:20:22 That's why I'm not a good was bringing it to our attention and trying to decide who wanted to go.
11:20:28 Fine like, over lunch. Okay, we can talk after lunch.
11:20:34 So yeah, that's I think that's it.
11:20:36 For calendaring. Anyone have any other big, chunky things on the horizon where they're gonna be gone
11:20:49 Now we out of town that work in the
11:20:58 Nineteenth through the twenty-first of October in ocean shores, but still able to work
11:21:06 Okay.
11:21:09 Well, it's 1120, Any other items for the good of the order that people wanna cover. What about you? Mark?
11:21:18 What is your schedule look like the next week or so?
11:21:24 I know you're in central services. Interviews with me tomorrow.
11:21:26 right and sure, should we wrap that up early enough I'll I'll attend the at meeting with Aaron, Governor John, and then there's the Washington County Administrators, Association
Monthly check in that's a want wasack of filling it.
11:21:45 I haven't done that some time, so I will definitely join that one Wednesdays pretty open except for the meeting with Mallory in the morning.
11:21:57 And then on Thursday, my periodic meeting with with Friends Butler, and then Jumpcom admin board, and then publish sector cabinet check in, with Send me Brooks with you, and
so great you're gonna take casual Brown Thursday.
11:22:16 Okay, an agenda prep with tie in the afternoon, and then Friday I've got some company coming in from out of town I gotta pick them up in port Angeles in the afternoon so I'll
be taking or 4Â h of pto on Friday also just for the Good of the order note that
11:22:38 our our team of Caroline Adel and Julie will all be out of office on Friday at the clerk's conference, which I wanna go with.
11:22:49 I'm sure, just maintaining your credentials. Right?
11:22:55 Yeah, we definitely need keep up point sales going for certified municipal clerk.
11:23:00 So and I'm going for my mastermind, and this year we know great awesome.
11:23:07 Okay, Any other calendar items for the good of the order from anyone.
11:23:15 Greg: Okay, Mark Carolyn. No. Should we? One thing with that Maryland this Thursday?
11:23:26 Are you in the office? Okay, right trying to do agenda planning for housing fund board?
11:23:34 bye, 8, 30, or 4, 30 for 1520Â min, virtually, and shares travel.
11:23:48 yeah, yeah, Thank you. So if there's nothing else, we can.
11:20:01 Generally not a problem, although when you attempt state, then, you know, that's when the road washes out or be a problem
11:24:00 Okay, this year. You you have. Oh, you're muted. I can't hear you
11:24:06 Sorry about that. I just noticed just Fyi, the owl name is still set to executive session.
11:24:14 Thank you.
11:24:25 Yeah, that's what I was. Gonna Suggest that we recess now, and we will reconvene at 1 30, and which we will have a staff A DCD.
11:24:36 Staff presentation on the legal lot of record issues. So you have a couple of hours to do your homework for that one.
11:24:14 she might want to fix that, and I can't remember what else I was gonna say, except maybe I'm a little brain dead from this cold, and wouldn't mind spraying early
13:31:08 Okay, Okay, I bet you it's up and running. I'll call us back to order.
13:31:13 Oh, there we go! 131. It's av's back, up and running, so I'll call us back to order.
13:31:21 It's 1 30, and we have our workshop this afternoon with our colleagues from DCD.
13:31:26 In the planning commission This is a workshop on legal lots of records.
13:31:30 We're gonna review the Planning Commission and staff recommendations, And that will include any revisions made to the initial proposed ordinance.
13:31:40 So I don't know who's leading this off.
13:31:43 But yeah, and this is a follow on from last week, and it's preparatory to a here public hearing next Monday, right?
13:31:50 And so I'll turn it over to DCD. Team.
13:31:53 Thank you. My name is Brent Baltimore.
13:32:04 we had a an extensive amount of community outreach. Some 1,700.
13:32:19 1,700 inquiries into our story maps, we created just wanted to make sure that the community is aware of the extensive nature of the outreach that we conducted in addition to
our a story map which is essentially an online
13:32:36 presentation of the development regulations and the concerns. We did a mailing to all of the affected community members, a parcel owners, so that they were aware that this was
going before the Board for consideration.
13:32:53 we do have an assigned planner, and his name is Brian Benjamin.
13:32:58 and and I'm going to pass the baton first to our planning commission.
13:33:04 Our planning manager, Mr. Josh Peters, and then he'll introduce the planner of the day.
13:35:21 developing the policy and determining exactly how to implement it.
13:35:25 On day one, and developed a recommendation which Brian is going to present to you, essentially to cut to the chase.
13:35:34 It was a unanimous recommendation from participating commissioners.
13:35:36 That evening to to support the proposal with a couple of additions and a statement about process So he'll show you that exact statement.
13:35:45 And again the vice chair of the Planning Commission is here to talk about that proposal, as well as a sitting planning commissioner.
13:35:52 and so at that point, and we have a just to summarize.
13:35:56 We have a works. We have this workshop. Answer any questions.
13:35:59 Stay as long as you wish. The hearing next Monday, and then scheduled time right now.
13:36:06 On the first Monday of October for the Board to continue discussion, and to perhaps take action in conjunction with the scheduled expiration of the moratorium, which would be
that Tuesday October fourth, so That's in a nutshell the summary
13:36:20 you know, unless there's any questions right after that I'll turn it over to Brian with a set of slides, just to run you through.
13:36:25 Where we're at right now. And some lingering questions and subjects right? We?
13:36:31 We have a question. We have A member of the public has raised their hand.
13:36:36 It might be Commissioner Coker, or it might be Lisco or who, I know is given testimony.
13:36:41 I don't know. I guess my might be question for the chair. We don't.
13:36:46 We don't have public comment listed on this, but we don't have any other items.
13:36:50 after this 3 add a comments. After this: if there are people that want to get from it.
13:36:58 I was just noticing another comment in the And it's there that it may be kevin Poker was on the planning commission.
13:37:07 Right? Okay, yeah, public comment would be after the presentation by staff.
13:37:17 I could only admit that, you know, because then you have a quarantine.
13:37:22 we have 5. Oh, okay, no, I guess to to lose Coker.
13:37:27 Do you mind, if we have public comment that we want to done after the staff presentation?
13:37:34 no, yeah, okay. So I guess if if it's Kevin Coker from the planning Commission wanting to be in on this, keep your hand raised.
13:37:42 Otherwise we're gonna try to add public comment after the workshop at the end of the workshop.
13:37:48 Alright. It's like it wasn't Kevin
13:37:59 no problem at all. Just kinda upload the Powerpoint and share my screen.
13:37:55 Sorry, Brian
13:38:42 alright. Thank you. Give me 1Â s here. Just wanna test my slides.
13:38:41 there you go, Brian
13:38:48 Make sure you can see them move back and forth. Great! Hey?
13:38:53 Good afternoon, chair, Eisenhower, and members of the Board Board for the Record.
13:38:57 I'm Brian Benjamin, Assistant planner with the Department of Community Development, and today's presentation will provide a summary of The proposed lead, a lot of record regulations,
and communicate public outreach results
13:39:12 First I will provide some background information for some context to the proposed regulations, and then we'll we will review public outreach results to communicate Feedback
DCD has received from the public but also Review, the staff, recommendation and planning, Commission.
13:39:30 Recommendation, and after that we can break into discussion. Excuse me.
13:39:39 This presentation is information heavy. So while I'm happy to answer clarifying questions about content along the way, I would recommend holding discussion based questions until
the end of the slides
13:39:54 On the background information. So before addressing the specific changes proposed in the ordinance, it's important to take our 1,000 foot view of the changes and answer basic
question, Why is the county changing its approach to leave a lot of record determination processes what is the purpose of these new regulations?
13:40:16 First this ordinance responds to an emergency moratorium that restricts development in historic subdivisions throughout the county Moratorium responded to 3 development permit
applications proposing and mass development within historic plots without a public process moreatorium created restrictions on
13:40:36 development within historic subdivisions to prevent high density development from occurring in the counties for all the areas.
13:40:44 The proposed regulations will replace the emergency moratorium and implement permanent regulations
13:40:53 Is it part of these regulatory changes? The proposed coordinates, implements, the standards of State law, primarily the growth, Management Act, and Rcw.
13:41:02 58, 17 governing plants and subdivisions.
13:41:06 The ordinance proposes standards to preserve real, character, protect environmentally critical areas and control impacts to natural resource lands as expected by dma as well
as ensuring that development within historic subdivisions meets the health welfare and safety standard outlined by a state provision
13:41:30 Additionally, the regulations ensure that development throughout the county meets watershed resource, inventory areas or Wyra provisions and considers potential water quality
impacts that generated but development of substandard lots.
13:41:49 The emerging goal of the ordinance is to allow development of substandard lots where environmental water quality, and natural resource impacts can be avoided or mitigated, and
where existing higher densities are already located the ordinance proposes 2 processes by which lots I either be
13:42:09 accepted from conforming to zoning standards.
13:42:13 And be granted reasonable economic use of the property. We'll address how the we'll address those processes later. And for now we'll discuss other important background information
information
13:42:28 The amendments proposed in the ordinance include a new chapter of the Unified Development code.
13:42:34 Chapter, 1812. Okay, and identifies corresponding changes to 2 existing chapters. Chapters, 1835, and 1810, which resp., amend boundary line adjustment provisions and the Udc's
definitions based on the new processes and protocols of 1812 in
13:42:55 addition, the site. The proposal also introduces a Site Development Review process to Chapter 1840, that accompanies the legal out of record determination
13:43:10 DCD. Issued a determination of down significance or Dns for the proposed amendments.
13:43:17 The Dns found the proposed changes to the Udc.
13:43:20 We're unlikely to have adversary environmental impacts and relied on Cpa documents adopted by reference to make this determination
13:43:37 that the proposed Udc. Amendments were in conformance with a variety of comprehensive plan.
13:43:42 Goals and pop. I'll see 3 goals and 5 policies were identified, sharing that the amendments meet the plans vision for environmental protection, housing and land use in rural
areas most prominently the proposed needc amendments meet expectations for dCD to complete a
13:44:00 research task identified excuse me. Land use policy, L. U.
13:44:09 Dash 20.3 which defines that the Department should analyze historical subdivisions in Jefferson County to define processes for legal loss of record certifications and define
valid plots in rural and Urban areas
13:44:28 There's also a fundamental change to the ordinance from the moratorium.
13:44:32 The pre 1971 date will no longer be the bright line in determining legal a lot of record status for historic plans.
13:44:42 DCD. Determined that post August eleventh, 1,969 subdivision regulations at the State level.
13:44:48 We're not substantively different from the September seventh, 1971 regulations that were implemented at the local level and was implemented in the more as a part of the moratorium.
13:45:00 Excuse me, identified as a part of the mortality. Us.
13:45:05 Post August eleventh, 1969 plots are presumed to substantially meet.
13:45:10 Call requirements outlined by the 1971 regulations.
13:45:15 This reduces the total number of plants affected by the permanent regulations by a total of 8
13:45:25 Alright on to public average, overview. So, as a part of our public engagement process for this project, we had a number of communication items that we had identified in our
communication plan the first was to develop educational resources that took the form of a story map which was published online toward the
13:45:52 end of July. We also conducted outreach to 13 homeowners, associations associated with historic plants.
13:46:05 We conducted focus groups sent a postcard mailer to run 1,960 property owners that we identify as being particularly okay impacted by this ordinance or potentially impacted
by this ordinance. These were homeowners.
13:46:26 In historic subdivisions that owned vacant or not residentially developed parcels or lots.
13:46:34 We did a number of press releases issued a community survey, attended community events.
13:46:42 We attended both the Port Townsend and Jim would come fine markets and provided a series of updates to Dcds web pages
13:46:56 So we've got approximately 1,850 views of the story map that's updated from Brent.
13:47:03 1,700 views which we developed last week, So we've seen really continuous access to the story map throughout the process since it was published on July 20 ninth.
13:47:18 We're engaging, continuing to engage with homeowners, associations with time, productive communication with one H.
13:47:23 Away the Olympic canal tracks and discussing.
13:47:26 Why assessment process that's been proposed as well Part of this ordinance we hosted 2 focus groups.
13:47:35 We actually offered 12 focus group opportunities, but didn't get enough respondents to sign up.
13:47:40 So we were only able to host 2, And we have a 108 responses to the community survey as of Yeah. Pm: Today, community survey will remain open, through the end of the week.
13:48:01 the Community survey, identified emergent community priorities.
13:48:06 This list is in order of priority, as indicated by the survey, the first priority for legal out of record regulation was to protect water quality; the second was to avoid impacts
to environmentally, critically, a environmentally critical areas the third was to allow continued development in historic subdivisions.
13:48:29 The force to achieve health, welfare, and safety standards in historic plants.
13:48:36 The fifth, to conserve natural resource areas, and the sixth to prevent residential problem.
13:48:43 The purpose of this. Question. It was a ranking exercise to help DCD.
13:48:47 From understand where the community's priorities are, and to guide our development
13:48:57 And this is a screenshot of the survey results from the analysis tool and our survey instrument.
13:49:05 You can see the margin by which these results were prioritized.
13:49:11 So text, water. Quality has a really substantial lead ahead of the other priorities, where avoiding impacts to critical areas and allowing continued development, are roughly
neck and neck.
13:49:24 And we're considered as being balanced to that.
13:49:31 Just a visualization of that prioritization data
13:49:39 The community Survey also provided respondents with an opportunity to represent and record any additional considerations that the ordinance should make, or our analysis should
consider 2 trends were evident in these open ended responses.
13:49:58 First respondents were concerned for the fairness of restrictions.
13:50:01 Okay, blanket restrictions. We're largely considered to be unfair in the community affirms that a regulatory framework adapted should consider the situation of each lot on a
case by case. Basis.
13:50:17 Again. These responses were submitted, probably to to the ordinance being available for community, to the community to review, and these responses help guide our regulatory
approach.
13:50:29 So the ordinance is structured in a way to review each lot on a case by case basis, and offers property owners an opportunity to show that their parcel can meet, expected health
welfare and safety outcomes as a part of the determination.
13:50:46 Process for legal lot of record status
13:50:52 The other common question, Were you, we received, Excuse me. This is how the proposed regulations affect affordability in the county, Yeah, especially considering existing on
affordability issues within the community survey respect that removal of development eligibility was a kyle's for concern
13:51:15 So. I think I'll at this point ask for some assistance from Josh and or Brent, but essentially a response to this is that development of small lots will continue where it is
practicable and safe to do so.
13:51:33 And we don't anticipate that are regulatory changes will result in a substantial reduction in the number of lots available to develop in the community the Again, the proposed
policy recognizes substandard's lots so long as development possible and moving into the future.
13:51:55 We have ongoing work Policy hasn't policy and actions that can coordinate with this ordinance, and we can continue to revisit how this determination process can fit into those
affordability frame works in the future.
13:52:12 So Josh and Brandt will be an opportunity to speak here.
13:52:17 hmm.
13:52:18 Oh, I I I think you've covered it sufficiently I don't think I need to add anything.
13:52:24 Point
13:52:16 If you'd like
13:52:29 Great. Thank you.
13:52:33 Alright. Let's move into the staff proposal for 1812 before we really jump into the regulatory approach.
13:52:44 There are 2 key terms that should be clarified a little bit further.
13:52:50 The first term lot of record, and then another term, a lot of record.
13:52:56 These terms derive from state law, and appear similar, but mean 2 different things.
13:53:02 A lot of record refers to any lot created in compliance the subdivision regulations at the time of its creation, and which has been recorded, approved, or recognized by local
government essentially It's creation.
13:53:17 Is verifiable. The purpose of establishing whether a lot is a lot of records is to ensure that property is both legal and conveyable.
13:53:30 Conveyance of property that was created in violation, a subdivision line is illegal, You leave a lot of record in the proposed ordinance, refers to a property that has been
deemed eligible for development meaning that the local government Has evaluated a variety of
13:53:48 factors affecting the property, and has determined whether it can legally be built on local governments, have the ability to define criteria by which lots can be considered
legally eligible for development, and to determination of legal lot status allows the property owner to submit development permit applications for the
13:54:10 process pretty in these terms are defined by the ordinance to not explicitly required by State law.
13:54:20 different jurisdictions handle these implementation protocols differently, And this is our solution to distinguish between.
13:54:30 probably property that was created legally, and is conveyable and loss that are legal.
13:54:35 Lots of record that can be developed, so that distinguishment is really originating out of the proposed language of this ordinance.
13:52:29 Hmm.
13:54:44 And we're using state terms to distinguish between
13:54:49 Can I ask a clarifying question, Brian? I guess your your definition of legal lot a record here requires the site, The Site Development Review is that is is that right?
13:54:52 Yeah.
13:55:13 So there, there's a little bit of a nuance there.
13:55:04 I guess. What's that? Looks like the definition of of a of a parcel that's gone through Development Review Site Development Review.
13:55:18 Site Development Review is an on-the-ground buildability analysis, and our legal lot of record process sometimes requires the build ability, analysis as a part of the determination
of eligibility that's for the reasonable economic use process.
13:55:38 Right.
13:55:59 Yeah.
13:55:39 Of 1812, 8 0, A Site Development Review is required and embedded in that analysis, and only for those parcels requiring reasonable economic use is the Site Development review
determining eligibility for conforming lots, to zoning or for a lot that meet the exception standards of 1812
13:56:07 0, 7 0 sub 4 or This site development review process the companies.
13:56:17 This answer to the to legal eligibility, so exceptions say it is a legal out of record It's eligible to be applied for development, and we're including a build ability analysis
as a service to the applicant to show where build ability.
13:56:37 Yes, I think best practiced, or where further regulatory requirements, shoreline permitting conditional use, permitting would be requirement would be required based on site
conditions.
13:56:51 So sometimes the leave a lot of record determination includes Site Development Review prior to the determination being made, as for loss, going through the reasonable economic
use process, and sometimes those determinations.
13:56:03 One
13:57:07 Are uncoupled meaning. You don't need Site Development Review to determine eligibility, but it's a service that a companies that eligibility determine
13:57:24 That's true. And that's why we're offering service of Site Development Review to make sure that we're giving a clear picture of build ability prior to the applicant contracting
with there.
13:57:17 So a legal lot of record is eligible for development, but not necessarily buildable.
13:57:40 Architect or septic designer to create and spend money for design on the setting.
13:57:48 Thank you for the clarification. Cynthia has a question I know
13:58:00 Yeah.
13:58:06 I know you asked to hold questions, but I wanted to point out in this moment that your question is pointed at an issue, that the planning Commission had, which is that this:
terminology there's actually 2 more terms the build ability.
13:58:23 What does that mean? And then vesting? Which would mean, you really can build.
13:58:28 So when Brian was describing this, he said that illegal lot of record is a lot that's been termed that that has been determined, or or a lot that can be built on, which is not
necessarily true.
13:58:40 and the planning Commission asks the board accounting Commissioners in our recommendations that you have received or are receiving today, that you re-examine that terminology
because our fear is while those the regulations, that we did agree to put forward which we think are substantially good are in danger.
13:59:05 Of confusing the public where somebody might walk away and say, My lot is buildable which doesn't mean they can build on it.
13:59:13 And and that's that's pretty big point of confusion.
13:59:17 When you're talking about ken a lot be built on or not.
13:59:21 So I wanted to point that out while you were asking questions.
14:00:06 the lot can be considered eligible for development. If the lot meets zoning standards.
14:00:14 So a lot within the rural residential one to find zoning designation.
14:00:20 That is, at least 5 acres in size with meet criteria for legal out of record standards. Nonsense!
14:00:27 It would be granted, leave a lot of record status, a substandard lot, meaning any lot that is smaller than the size lot size indicated by its zoning designation.
14:00:39 May still be considered eligible for development, if it meets the exceptions identified in 1812, 7 0, 7 4 or the criteria of the reasonable economic use.
14:00:53 Processes identified in 1812, 8 0,
14:01:01 Let's take a closer look at both of those subsections.
14:01:05 1812, 7, 0 sub 4 offers exceptions from the reasonable economic use process on a variety of criteria.
14:01:16 If the parcel meets a minimum land area, requirements for septic.
14:01:23 So at this stage, as we were determining whether a lot meets the exception criteria, the Department of Environmental Public Health will Review the site along with DCD.
14:01:35 To ensure that minimum land area requirements from septic can be met.
14:01:39 If the minimum land area for septic can be met, a lot of record can be legal. A lot of record status can be granted according to the following criteria.
14:01:52 So a lot of record that was properly planted on or after August eleventh, 1969 will be considered a legal out of record.
14:02:04 Any law that has already been approved by the county so it's configuration, or it's received development.
14:02:11 Permit approvals for the process
14:02:17 Hey? Lot, That is part of a Lambert will be considered if they have a lot of record, provided that it can meet both sewage disposal and water quality standards according to
perfect environmental Public health.
14:02:32 Similarly lots located within the Ireland port Headlock, Uga will be given Leave a lot of record status and under these exceptions, if the lots can meet environmental health
Yeah, requirements for sue's disposal and water quality, and then an owner of contiguous substandard
14:02:52 lots, and aggregate or combine lots to meet zoning standards to the greatest extent possible.
14:03:00 So, for instance, yeah, go ahead. No, no problem at all. So, for example, if a property owner phones so 6 lots that total 5 acres, and they're in a rural residential one to
5 zoom, they'll need to aggregate those lots to reach the 5 acre status
14:03:00 Can I ask it? Oh, no, I finished. I didn't mean to interrupt you when you're done.
14:03:41 Brian, I have a question about the Iron del Port Hadlock Uga!
14:03:22 similarly property owner, owning 6 contiguous lots equating one acre, would be required to aggregate those lots to reach one acre to depending on where they are, and how much
property they own they'll be required to aggregate
14:03:53 Right, So we're granting legal a lot of record status to the entire Uga.
14:04:02 So within the entire Uj boundary. Now the rural residential standards will apply according to phasing for the super project.
14:04:12 So in some parts of the Uga urban standards will apply, and others rural standards will apply, and will be considered as a part of site Development Review.
14:03:48 that's the entire uga, not the phase. One sewer boundary
14:04:25 Okay.
14:04:33 Thank you. I did receive that question since last week. Sorry my my question on this 2, just to make sure I'm understanding it clearly.
14:04:42 The second bullet point. Any lot that has already been approved by the county.
14:04:45 That means any lot that has had an approved building permit, or septic permit on.
14:04:24 So the finding. Right but the lots will be granted legal out of record status, regardless of their phase.
14:04:50 Yeah, the the ordinance defines it a little more clear, but it's any residential permit that's been approved.
14:04:59 So residential septic system that was approved, and the approval is still good.
14:04:50 Is that what that means?
14:05:04 So it hasn't expired, or was approved and constructed, and then any building permit application for a residence, and and then there's sort of a an additional nuance here where
other situations where the county may have approved a lot for residential use like a good example of this
14:05:31 is the pro approval of large onsite septic system, hookup availability.
14:05:14 Gotcha, and then oh, sorry! Go ahead.
14:06:00 Thank you, And then my My second question is on the first bullet point.
14:06:05 A lot of record properly platted on, or after August eleventh, 1,969.
14:06:09 So does that allow nonconforming lots that might have been platted somehow.
14:06:15 A 2 acre rural residential, one to 5 land as a lot of legal record.
14:05:38 So if a lot has has access, and then it can demonstrate legally established access to a large onset septic system, they have that community facility available to them, to connect
to that is a type of consideration different type of county approval for the lot for residential purpose
14:06:19 If it was plotted after 1969
14:06:34 But that doesn't necessarily mean that it's buildable.
14:06:22 Yup. So if it was legally created and meets the minimum land area for septic, then it will be accepted as a part of this subsection.
14:06:38 No, Yep, it's a legal lot of record, and can receive development.
14:06:45 Permit applications on it. And again, we've created the Site Development Review process to address any potential conflict.
14:06:37 It just means lot of legal record
14:07:12 But the Site Development Review isn't going to take into account things like non-conforming status of the size relative to the zoning right?
14:07:21 So if I've established a lot of legal record it's too small.
14:06:55 So where the legal eligibility question ends, the legal lot of record determination, the site development build ability, analysis begins where we actually demonstrate the site
conditions affecting that property today
14:07:37 Okay, right? The side Development Review is based on site conditions, And these exceptions accept the lot from needing to meet conforming conformity with the zoning designation.
14:07:26 But my site review isn't going to say, Oh, it's too small because it's not 5 acres, it'll say, Oh, you have enough room for your septic. But there's No, room anywhere. For a
drain field so it's not buildable or or something something like that
14:07:51 So this is recognition that you know, legally recorded Plat a lot within that platform at 2 acres or half an acre in size can be developed.
14:07:51 Bye.
14:08:03 If it meets minimum land area for septic and we would then demonstrate side conditions affecting them off
14:08:10 Thank you.
14:08:20 Any other clarifying questions before and on.
14:08:28 Thank you.
14:08:31 So 1812 8 0 defines 2 other processes defining reasonable economic use, provisions available to applicants.
14:08:43 So if your lot doesn't meet the exceptions here, let's say you have quarter acre lot that was plaited prior to August eleventh, 1969 and doesn't meet any of the other exceptions.
14:08:59 Then you can move forward through a reasonable economic use process, or alternatively, you don't automatically meet minimum land area for septic as a part of that first step,
the first test is that minimum land area per septic then you can go through the reasonable economic use process or a property
14:09:23 owner through the reasonable economic use process I think it's important to note here that the reasonable economic use process is both a site condition, analysis and a project
specific analysis.
14:09:37 So as a part of this, the project proponent would be bringing either preliminary design or an entire design forward for the the department to review.
14:09:50 But in essence the reasonable economic use processes are available to individual property owners for review of a single lot or for the determination of an entire plaque or part
of a plan all at once the 2 processes share similar approval standard which in include department of environmental public health
14:10:18 confirmation that proposed sewage disposal, and water supply are adequate, not cost degradation, water quality.
14:10:27 The property is served with adequate ingress, ingress, ingress, Egress!
14:10:32 Excuse me, the property has adequate drainage facilities.
14:10:36 A lot is directly adjacent to existing development
14:10:43 The proposed development does not adversely effect public safety and welfare.
14:10:49 The proposed development will not increase. Risk of flooding degradation of critical areas of species or degradation to natural resources.
14:10:59 The proposed development is the minimum necessary to allow for reason.
14:11:02 But economic use of the property that's in reference to the minimization standards of the shoreline master program and critical areas.
14:11:10 Ordinance, and the procedure for reducing and avoiding packs to critical areas and their buffers, and the recognition of lots would not impact resources, and that applies prescriptive
buffers from forestry parcels, to residential our social system, 1815 chapter 1,815
14:11:40 Gcc.
14:11:41 So The staff recommendation is to require the determination I'll leave a lot of record determination prior to all development.
14:11:50 Permit applications and county that would include, I'll processes for expansion of residences is essentially so, not just new development, but redevelopment entailing expansion.
14:12:09 And then to add a site development review process to provide some assurance that the development, eligibility and build the ability are coinciding, and that is kind of in direct
response to the concerns we've heard from the planning Commission and the public to make sure that our process doesn't leave a situation
14:12:32 where eligibility is granted. The answers that legal question, Is it eligible to be built or not?
14:08:27 Doesn't look like anyone has any
14:12:40 And then site conditions affecting build ability are not different. Or if they are that we're identifying it through a service that we're providing
14:12:53 Sure.
14:12:52 I have a question here, too, Ryan, as as I say, huge, or we can go back 1 one slide.
14:12:59 Sorry huge fan of the Site Development Review process, as I said, but requiring a determination prior to all development, permit applications in the county, So if I've already
got a House on my property, and I want to build an atu that would be a development, permit application. But don't.
14:13:14 I have de facto lot of legal record status already by having built a house already.
14:12:56 Yeah.
14:13:31 Sure I understand your question, and the the first answer that I have is that we do need to review each development proposal.
14:13:46 So we still need to review it. You may meet an exception, but we still need to review each development proposal first to identify whether the lot was left legally created permitting
development on illegally created lots is not permissible by the state subdivision provisions so we need to at least have
14:14:07 that level of review. We expect that by and large the answer to that question is going to be, Yes, the vast majority of lots of accounts more legally created and we're ensuring
just for future for improvement to the process and for future purposes.
14:14:26 They were not permitting development on illegally created. So that's one aspect that we will need to review, even if a lot has development on it, it's possible possible that
the county permitted development on a lot that was not legally created in the past So first we're reviewing that and then to meet
14:14:45 the exception, 4, 0, 7 0, 7, 4. That includes previously approved parcels or residences, or residential development.
14:15:02 We still need to determine whether the property meets minimum land area requirements for septic.
14:15:09 According to today's endards. So in order to meet that exception, we still have to review with environmental health department, environmental, public health input to make sure
that the septic expansion that would be required for that adu is a comed can be accommodated based on the lock size so there are a
14:15:31 couple of things that we need to review. But again, we expect that most situations like that most situations where some kind of expansion is being proposed, or redevelopment
addition to the garage addition of the navy you that kind of proposal is going to move through the process relatively but it
14:15:50 does need to move through the process to at least check off those first 2 boxes.
14:13:20 So do I have to go through another, you know, set of fees to to prove that my obvious. A lot of legal record is a lot of legal records
14:16:05 I have a Yep. Thank you.
14:16:14 So I would say that right now development goes through land Use review, except what happens sometimes is that people start with septic permanent applications, and then they're
eventually routed to DCD for that review And that has caused some issues in the past both with the process And the result.
14:16:36 Really because people may have done work, clearing land or digging test pits in places where they shouldn't have.
14:16:41 According to our critical areas, ordinance. And so we're really just moving that process to the front.
14:16:47 But our goal is to have it be faster eventually for everyone, and to have it be at least cost neutral, if not cheaper, both in terms of permit expenses and hopefully actually
cheaper in terms, of people's actually all the expenses they go through when they hire.
14:17:04 People, design things for them right? So what we're thinking in a case like that, where it would be relatively simple process, assuming you have enough land area for this or
the septic already accommodates the adu it'd be relatively simple we'd be charging a a modest charge
14:17:23 upfront for that service and then you'd move quickly through the next step of the process which would be to apply for the building permit, whereas now we still charge for that
service.
14:17:34 We just charge the later when it happens when it comes to us, and we're always, we always charge more for those complex cases that require more work, whether it's a site, visit
or reviewing a special report like a Wetland, delineation, or what have you So in this case.
14:17:48 In a simple case, just like today, it's simpler to develop simple parcels that don't have a lot of trouble.
14:17:55 The problem is right now. Sort of procedurally. Sometimes those simple permits are getting caught up on the stack of permits that are on each planner's desk.
14:18:03 And we're working on that triage right now to identify those simpler ones, to move them through the process.
14:18:08 This is going to help us? We think with that process, so you'd be paying again a modest charge that you'd be paying anyway.
14:18:14 Later upfront, and then the charge later would be would be less or be fewer hours to do any additional checks, and early depends on on if they're storm under management, concerns,
or if a number of years have passed since you went through the site, development process, and what have you the other thing I would
14:18:28 say, is the reason why one of the reasons why we keep talking about these 2 separate processes that are connected is that we wanted to offer a service to customers just to do
the legal lot of record determination Maybe someone wants to buy property sell property what have you and they don't want to do the site development review
14:18:46 yet we are making it, or we're proposing to make it a prerequisite to apply for a building permit or a septic permit, but they may want to do that later.
14:18:55 So we just offer the you know, a one hours what we're thinking for that charge a one-hour service to do the legal lot of record determination, and if it turns out that it's
gonna be more complicated than that while it's gonna take more processing challenging parcels today are going to
14:19:07 be challenging in the future It's just a matter of when you ask those questions and try to resolve those issues for a simple one.
14:19:13 Then really, it's like most customers would do both the legal lot of record determination and the Site Development Review at the same time.
14:19:22 What application form they come in, they do it, they We charge.
14:19:24 We're we're trying to decide whether it's gonna be 2Â h plus an additional, maybe hour from public health.
14:19:30 We're working those details out here as we as we get ready to implementation.
14:19:34 But that is where we're leaning. It's a three-hour charge for consistency review, which happens during a building permit application.
14:19:40 So we have an essential those 3Â h to play with. We're thinking 2Â h upfront, and then 1Â h, when the building permit comes in of a charge just for the stormwater aspects, and
just to make sure that it's still consistent so it's just a matter of moving
14:19:51 those charges in the process, and that's how we're that's how we're talking about doing it.
14:19:55 So in your case it would just be one application, form, We're leaning towards the 2Â h charge if there's no additional review needed, you know.
14:20:03 Step excuse me. Public health may have an hour charge, but they charge anyway, for portable Water Review and Septic Review.
14:20:08 So we're just kind of meshing those and trying to provide that service all up front.
14:20:13 So it's a one-stop shop. You come in our door first.
14:20:15 You you get this form, you do this we coordinate with environmental health for this review and then you're on your way.
14:20:21 As soon as you get that legal out of return determination, slash the results of your site Development Review.
14:20:27 Then you can apply for the building to permit when you're ready to, just to do so.
14:20:30 That makes a lot of sense. Thank you. 1 one follow up.
14:20:33 I guess I think in our previous talk you had talked about the Site Development Review being good for 2 years.
14:20:39 Or some, you know, period of time and legal, lot of record is that good?
14:20:44 I mean, can. I I'm not sure if you answered this already. But how?
14:20:47 How long is a legal lot of record designation good for it right?
14:20:53 And this kid's come up before, because the site specifics may change with time.
14:21:02 So one reason for change is we may get new fema maps, so the flood zone may change another reason for a change is that your adjacent property owner may put in a well, and there
has to be a certain amount of different distance.
14:21:19 I believe a 100 feet, and if you submitted plans that envisions your septic to be near that well, and that well has already gone in your septic planning is no longer valid.
14:21:31 But that's Site Development Review. I'm talking about legal. Lot of record.
14:21:34 How long has I mean whether or not it's buildable illegal.
14:21:37 A lot of record should. How long does that last? Yeah, thanks.
14:21:40 This is Josh again. Legal lot of record determination is a one time thing great.
14:21:47 You won't have to do that again. Assuming, of course, that you have legal lot of record status when you leave that process, the Site Development Review will not have a time
specification It will be a snapshot in time Okay, Now, you may have noticed that there was a section in our unified development.
14:22:06 Cold Code called Site Plan approval, advanced determination, or Spad right? And we're actually replacing that section with this new Site Development Review, section.
14:22:14 One of the reasons why this bad we know, is no longer.
14:22:17 There is a lot of confusion around vesting. How how how long was that good for a series of of occurrences and issues resulted from trying that process, and there was some good
out of it I think I think some some folks in the realtor community for example, appreciated that process And we're trying in
14:22:34 a sense to recreate it, but in a different way, and so it's not so.
14:22:38 It's less specific. It won't be a site plan with a exact specifications of where you're building footprint is, but more like a building envelope type of idea where we're saying
all these are all the spaces that you're essentially free and clear to propose development and for most parcels, or
14:22:53 many parcels that'll be simple, for others be more complicated.
14:22:56 So, but it won't have Don't have the ability to vest, and I think that's to to what Cynthia said earlier about the confusion on the different.
14:23:04 Definitions. Our response to the planning commission when this came up was that some of these terms are strictly legal terms.
14:23:11 You know. They come from the Subdivision Act. Others have a certain legal component to them, and we have to be precise, and the way we describe them and it's difficult, under
it's understood that it's difficult in in some ways.
14:23:23 To translate it into regular language. If you will, but that's the same for the code altogether, and we do want to talk about tools and materials and guidance and instructions
for people and we even offered to come back to the plan commission for advice on how best to describe these things but one of those
14:23:38 things is, if you look at the definition of lot comma buildable as we propose to define it, it's it's it's clear that
14:23:53 Once the once the Site Development Review is done, and it's determined to be quote unquote buildable.
14:23:59 The only guarantee to build is to apply for the permit invest according to Washington State law, We can't offer vesting.
14:24:09 Or I guarantee to do something unless someone applies for that permit.
14:24:13 So if people are ready to apply next the next day, the next week, they're coming in with the permit.
14:24:17 If they wanna wait 2, 3, 4 years. There's a certain risk involved in that, because State health codes could change, and other aspects.
14:15:55 Make sure it was legally created that the the lot was legally created. And to make sure that the lot meets minimum land area for septic by today's standards.
14:24:23 So. In fact, the planning Commission added the word guaranteed in front of a right to develop. It's guaranteed right to develop that was one of the things that Brian will get
to in a moment thank you
14:24:39 Oh, Cynthia has a question, or something to add
14:24:52 Since he has to remember her comment now that she longer I may have to sit down.
14:25:00 Oh! The one additional note to what Josh said.
14:25:06 I don't disagree with anything he said was that there would be a note to title if the determination was that your lot is a lot of record and legal lot of record.
14:25:20 If the determination is positive, in other words, it is, you would be asked to record that to your title, if the determination is that it is not, the department would make that
note to Staff can let me.
14:24:37 Go back to the slide that we were
14:25:41 Know if I have that right
14:25:46 That is correct.
14:25:47 We're gonna wait. We're gonna wait for staff and planning commission comments, and then we'll take public comments. You're You're on the fine line, but Yeah.
14:26:02 Okay, Okay, Any other clarifying questions before I move on on here, I'm just gonna describe a little bit I we've got an example prepared for when the legal lot of record determination
could conflict with the site conditions.
14:26:23 So and a currently drafted language, a legally created parcel that confirmed to zoning standards would automatically be considered a legal lot of record and certified as eligible
for development Again, it's a legal question and eligibility to receive permit applications on the
14:26:45 property, but that Lot may or may not actually be developable, or rather buildable, based on site conditions.
14:26:56 There may be a very large wetland, or tsunami inundation zone, or a variety of plot or channel migration conditions on site that would provide event development from it occurring,
and the result of the default like a lot of record determination.
14:27:18 Would be an applicant for determination, walking away, saying, Great!
14:27:23 My site is eligible for development. I'm gonna get my permanent applications in order.
14:27:29 I'm gonna have my septic pits, Doug and we're gonna do some land clearing and the return with applications to find that based on shoreline conditions and china migration, conditions
that development, the site is actually prohibited under the smp or something like that So we're
14:27:48 recommending the Site Development Review process to account for situations where the legal eligibility for development that permit application based.
14:27:59 Question, is paired with a buildability analysis through Site Development Review, so that the applicant is walking away in hand with both.
14:28:10 A legal question answered and site conditions today identified, and in the future, let's say there.
14:28:17 Wait 5 10 years before they're ready to develop. They purchased the property and would like to develop a their retirement home themselves, or to build a vacation, whatever the
situation, might be they can come back for another site development review to account, for any regulatory changes so there's no limitation on whether
14:28:36 you can revisit the Site Development Review. You can have it done times over the course of years to get an accurate picture today as you prepare your permit application process
but it would be required at least once with the Leave a lot of record determination to count for that potential discrepancy for site conditions and the answer to the
14:26:03 I think you can continue, Brian
14:28:58 legal question.
14:29:04 We've also prepared a visualization of the process It's kind of our sinky diagram chart, the nice thing about this sanky diagram format.
14:29:16 Is that we have a a coded ability. We I developed the code to produce this chart, and as we keep track and monitor our applications, we can actually show numerically the proportion
of applications that go through this process so we can say we had this many applications, one year, this many were conforming went
14:29:38 through site, development, Review process, etc. So this can be updated as a monitoring tool as well as a process identification, tool.
14:29:48 But we start with development. Excuse me, link a lot of record applications required for all lots, and we make our lot of record determination here in light boot area which
determines whether it's a lot of record or any illegally created lot as we get to the lot of record determination we're assessing
14:30:11 whether the lot conforms to zoning standards in terms of size, and whether and if it doesn't, it's determined to be a substandard lot does not meet zoning standards we'll go
through the site.
14:30:27 Development process Yeah, to identify building envelopes available on that conformity parcel and substandard lots.
14:30:34 Well be assessed, according to the exception, Provisions 1812, 7 0, sub 4, where during this area, to see whether it lot is accepted, we will review the history of the lot and
conditions of the lot to assess whether it meets those criteria I think most importantly we're going to be
14:30:58 reviewing whether the the lot with environmental health hello, whether the lot meet minimum land area requirements for septic, and then the rest of the provisions and 1812,
7 0.
14:31:11 So 4. If it doesn't meet those standards it'll go through the reasonable economic use process.
14:31:20 And if it does it will again be granted, Leave a lot of record status and go through site development.
14:31:27 You as we review against 1812, 8 0 here, to see whether the proposal, not just the site, but whether the proposed residential structure or or the proposed use of the property
meets the reasonable economic use standards we'll come to conclusion and either grant legal out of record status
14:31:53 to that site, or identify whether the parcel or lot cannot meet those standards.
14:32:02 So they're really primarily health, welfare and safety standards according to the subdivision.
14:32:06 For of the State and then it won't be granted.
14:32:10 Leave a lot of record status again. It will have by this point lot of record status, so that lot will retain the ability to be conveyed.
14:32:19 So it can be purchased and aggregated, and so forth.
14:32:23 But it may not be independently develop. That's our process. Is.
14:32:29 It's identified in the coordinates. There's any questions about how that works or what's happening in these different phases of the room.
14:29:02 Thank you, Brian.
14:32:42 Nope, it makes sense. And you shared that last week as well.
14:32:36 You happy to answer clarifying questions.
14:32:45 Yeah, Great. Yep.
14:32:45 So Hey, Brian! Hey, this is Mark. I've got questions about the reasonable economic use to to me that that conjures up visions of somebody having them property, and they want
to run a business.
14:32:53 Yeah.
14:33:07 No, it's reasonable economic use. Yeah, specifically to review for residential development
14:33:02 Out of that property. Is that what is that? What that means?
14:33:23 Okay, with that, the label for me doesn't fit, It seems incongruous.
14:33:30 Yeah, I'm not sure if we have our council with us today who might weigh on on this subject, but the concept really comes from taking's law as derived nationwide like from us
supreme court decisions and what's a reasonable economic use expectation of any given parcel sometimes that
14:33:49 expectation results in the ability to do residential development by the way.
14:33:52 Another part that's hard to say about build, ability, and it goes to that.
14:33:56 Minimization term is to build a castle, or to build a shack.
14:34:00 You know what I mean. But anyway, so some parcels, for example, that are alongside a river like in a Channel migration zone do not have enough space for a septic and a Well,
next to that high risk channel migration zone the the reasonable economic use result.
14:34:18 Would be really some other use besides building a house. It would be, for example, a recreational use, or something like that.
14:34:24 So all of that, all of those concepts are woven into that term rafts.
14:34:28 It's not the best term of art, which is why the maybe these materials come along that we can help to see that in other language?
14:34:35 But I do believe that the term itself comes from taking looks like Barbara.
14:34:39 I'm here. Yeah, I'm happy to chime in if you want, I I'm gonna have to contradict Josh just a little bit and sorry.
14:34:49 Josh. Reasonable use is the actual legal standard under the undertakings, law, State law, and and federal law.
14:35:04 And that's denotes, you know, any sort of use available to the property, whether it be, you know, a camping site, growing strawberries is another one that often comes up those
sorts of things so just sort of a minimal amount of use that could be made of the property to avoid taking some property and that's not really
14:35:28 what we're talking about here this term. Reasonable economic use is derived, you know.
14:35:37 It's a term that's come into usage by other counties in Washington to denote the ability to put a single family home on on a substandard lot, and that's really what it was it's
designed to mean you know the the terminology, may not be you know.
14:36:02 it probably could be better. It's just something that has developed over the years in various counties as sort of translating into You can put a house on this lot, and so you
know, it's not anything that is required by law the the real constitutional issue is reasonable use.
14:34:39 Turn off the camera, too. Okay.
14:36:26 Of property under the Fourteenth Amendment. That sort of thing.
14:36:32 So
14:36:36 so using the term reasonable economic use in our updated code is that gonna cause confusion down the road?
14:36:34 so does that make sense
14:36:46 I don't think so. I I I've There's a lot of jurisdictions that use it.
14:36:54 It's fairly one thing that's good about it is that developers who develop here, but also in other places would easily recognize the term.
14:36:45 In your opinion.
14:37:05 Great. Thank you. Can you live with that mark? Yeah, we have a definition section where that stuff is.
14:37:17 I don't. I don't believe it is defined.
14:37:14 It defined. Did you hear that question
14:33:18 and that sort of investment fact expectation to develop the residents on the Yeah.
14:37:28 It's also worth noting that we have a similar reasonable economic use provision in the critical areas ordinance.
14:37:22 That would help me. Yeah, I think it would help a lot of people probably
14:37:48 Great: thanks. For that. Okay, Okay, What next? What's next, Brian?
14:37:35 So not only is it something that other jurisdictions do, but we have the same as the similar provision as a part of residential development for lots impacted by the Cia
14:37:59 Yep.
14:38:03 So we've now arrived at the Planning Commission recommendation.
14:38:08 I know we have at least 2 planning commissioners here, so and we may elaborate, but the planning Commission adopted a recommendation at the special meeting on September fifteenth,
2022 panic mission approved the draft ordinance. With modifications.
14:38:31 Okay? Planning Commission recommended that we change language in the lot.
14:38:39 Buildable definition of Jcc. 1810 to include a guaranteed right versus language that exist now.
14:38:48 Hey? That's excuse me, just says a right to develop that is that's at the end of the definition.
14:38:55 Less sentence, definition, so adding a word for clarification, Planning Commission also recommended that we change mistaken reference to Spads in Jcc.
14:39:11 1844, 60, That's just a carry over from reviving Article 7 of that process in 18.
14:39:22 40, So we're reinstating Article 7 that was formerly to describe this bad process.
14:39:29 We had some carryover language from when we made those edits, and created that language.
14:39:35 and so we've removed file the planning commission recommendation and change that language to instead refer to Site Development Review instead of site, plan and proof for advanced
determination.
14:39:48 And then our last planning Commission recommendation was to continue public engagement for this ordinance, that there is a potentially some concern that not everybody, who's
going to be affected by these regulations is aware that the regulations are being rolled out and currently being developed and that we should
14:37:56 You have for their presentation. Okay.
14:40:13 continue public engagement as a part of adoption
14:40:39 I can say something. I think the the Commission speaks for itself through its recommendations.
14:40:49 we thought about every word that we recommended changing, and and we also, and every word that we included in the letter.
14:41:01 I believe the language we used was concern that to make sure everybody fully understands the proposal.
14:41:11 I mean, I think we can all relate to how there are barriers to understanding the proposal.
14:41:18 It's complex. I think that the entire Commission agrees.
14:41:23 Speaking for myself, I think this is a fair estimate that the entire Commission agrees that this is very conclusive with the overall streamlining of making it, easier to get
permits making it easier for people understand what's going on consistent with all of that and that's why we voted
14:41:44 to approve it with a couple of modifications which are quite specific, and I wanna especially thanks the staff for what I think is a remarkable achievement.
14:41:56 I'm not just in creating this, but in and presenting it, and despite any concerns we have about the outreach, it's difficult, and it's important to note that the outreach was
extremely significant and hopefully precedent setting in in terms, of directly reaching people, through the mail
14:42:21 and I know that a lot of people from doubt about it that way.
14:42:27 There are also stakeholders in the broader community that don't know about this, and so well, it's consistent with our comprehensive plan, which the public does support.
14:42:35 Do feel that it's important for everybody to understand what's going on, and it's a It's going to be a a constant endeavor to make that happen. It's not a reflection on on what
the staff has done so far, because it's been valiant in my
14:40:22 Thank you, Brian.
14:42:54 Thanks, Matt. I see that Kevin has his hand raised and attendee list.
14:42:59 So let's bring him over for comment Kevin Cokers, also a member of the Planning Commission.
14:43:04 Great
14:43:07 And then we'll go to Brent
14:43:13 are you able to hear me now? Okay, it's I wanted to be sure that everyone understands.
14:43:22 I've got several problems with portions of this, and I'll go into more in a in a written format.
14:43:28 But understand that lot buildable. What we did on the planning commission was, say that it is a not get. It's not guaranteed to be buildable.
14:43:36 So the there's several things in the terminology that I think is going to confuse the public and create a lot.
14:43:46 Of Oh, in effect, I think that what the DCD.
14:43:52 Is proposing is trying to capture those few lots that were Pre, 1969.
14:43:58 Now we've got all of the lots in Jefferson County included in this, that I appreciate Josh's comment that you know this additional step and application is true to mitigate Costs
there'll also be time involved we have a dCD department that's under
14:44:19 staff to email deal with a lot of the load that's going on, and we're adding another an application step in all of this that currently any of my clients who have a a lot that
we want to determine if we can build on it or expand we go through a cam process where we'll
14:44:38 review all of those elements. So in my mind, some of this is adding a lot more work and cost and time to all individuals who are developing in the county.
14:44:55 And so I just I I'll put again this in a a written format. That's a little more clear.
14:45:01 But do understand that lock buildable does not mean you can build That's a confusing element that I think we ought to work on.
14:43:15 We are.
14:45:11 Thank you, Kevin, correct. And I just wanted to go back to the statement that the vice chair made prior to the Planning Commission's action.
14:45:22 we did go ahead and also provide an article for the Peninsula Daily News.
14:45:30 really we were really trying to ensure that, in addition to the mailers, that just the general public was aware that the planning Commission was going to be deliberating on
the recommendations last Thursday.
14:45:41 So I just wanted to make sure that wasn't captured in of a slide that talks about public outreach slide 14.
14:45:50 I just wanted to add that to the record
14:45:57 Anymore, questions or comments from commissioners staff. This is DCD.
14:46:05 Staff mark anyone. Gosh! They can
14:46:12 And not quite certain whether Brian has another slide. If you do, Brian, you can move it to the next one, But I just wanted to be clear about the planning Commission recommendation,
and when you're going to see the details.
14:46:24 that we have an agenda request that's due to tomorrow for next Monday's public hearing, and in that agenda request you'll have the full planning commission recommendation, including
all the findings that are made relative to the comprehensive plan and it will include the exact language of
14:46:41 the motion that was made to talk about this public engagement piece.
14:46:46 So we've just summarized it here. You'll see the exactly.
14:46:49 Recording. I also wanted to clarify what is meant by approved draft ordinance with modifications, because the initial ordinance that we advertise that we made available to the
public on August 20 Fourth staff came to the planning Commission with some additions that had been derived
14:47:07 from conversations with public health, principally about the implementation side of the ordinance, and we presented what we had on Thursday to the Planning Commission, which
absorb those recommendations into their proposal.
14:47:22 So essentially the Planning Commission recommendation is the latest, greatest part draft of the ordinance as of Thursday evening.
14:47:33 Lo and behold, we're still working on that implementation piece again.
14:47:38 Back to that sort of challenge because of the moreatorium timing of developing all the tools that we need to be ready on day, one If this were to be adopted on October third,
and So we've looked in some additional things I mean even mark brought up an idea about Well, what about if someone was just
14:47:55 doing inside that something inside the house, one of those over the counter permits that deal with plumbing or a water heater Replacement, I think, is the example you gave us
mark to think, it to wrestle with.
14:48:05 And So when we went back with our environmental public health colleagues and our building staff, we went in and took another look, and this was on Friday, and it lasted all
day, and so we came up with some other ideas and and we're hoping that those ideas wouldn't mean that we
14:48:21 necessitate language, change in the ordinance itself. But again, alas!
14:48:26 so when we provide our recommendation tomorrow to you, the staff recommend it will include some additional features really about the implementation piece, and I would say that
it's not that the planning Commission disagrees.
14:48:40 With those, because they never saw them. So, to be fair to the planning commission, there's no a disagreement at this point, but they were unable to see these changes that we
will submit to tomorrow so you'll have the ordinance has approved as recommended by the plan Commission the full staff
14:48:53 recommendation, and any other accessory information in your packet that will provide.
14:49:00 Tomorrow we'll put in the the the Laser Fish directory that's available to the public Then we'll have the public hearing On Monday.
14:49:06 you could choose to close that hearing, or you could choose to continue that hearing to the next week.
14:49:09 That would be your choice, and Joshua Brian the Planning Commission recommendations here, I guess specifically the definition of buildable lot the staff, support, the the adjustment
to the definition that the planning Commission recommended so all the recommendations are supported by staff but there've been a
14:49:29 few more changes in for with environmental health on actual implementation.
14:49:34 thank you. I would even add that we might look at the input of the county administrator regarding reasonable use, should it?
14:49:43 That definition be included? Is it consistent with the other definition of reasonable use?
14:49:48 So we'll take a quick look at that, too. Okay, And does anyone actually permit changing a water heater?
14:49:52 Really, Are you supposed to permit changing a water Yes, there's a requirement for water heaters to be earthquake strapped. We have to verify that this strapping is in. Place.
14:40:30 I'm gonna leave an opportunity here for members of the planning Commission to elaborate, or I can move on
14:50:07 Okay, wow, yeah, Okay, learn something? Oh, yeah, yeah, sure.
14:50:19 I guess another example. Sorry, but a better example. Maybe would just be an interior remodel.
14:50:24 That doesn't change the footprint of the structure In other words, it doesn't have an expansion, and it doesn't have land disturbing activity associated with it.
14:50:31 And thus in thus wouldn't require Site Development Review, right copy
14:50:39 is it just that the so difficult, in some instances, because even if you are doing internal renovations and they're significant in scope and your properties in the flood zone
could trigger the substantial issue improvement provision that says other regulations, apply
14:50:58 such as ensuring that the bottom of the lowest floor is one foot above the flood waters.
14:51:04 In that 100 year flood So so these are types of things When we make one change, we have to look throughout the code to see if there are other areas that of change that would
be necessary.
14:50:18 Yeah.
14:51:21 Yeah, Thank you, Josh: And Brent for some boarding me and presenting those changes, had some notes on them as a problem.
14:51:30 This slide, and really the last slide is just to restate the timeline for adoption.
14:51:39 Make sure that any members of the public here understand what our timeline has looked like.
14:51:43 We had the September fifteenth, planning Commission Special meeting. Which was a continuation of the September seventh. Public.
14:51:51 Hearing we've got today's workshop. Okay, next week's public hearing.
14:51:59 And then for the potential to extend the hearing. To October through.
14:52:03 So now we've said that already. Maybe a number of times, but here it is in writing for for anybody to okay.
14:52:10 Reference. That's also in our communication plan on the website, you can find the link to that at the end of the story map
14:51:15 Thank you. Perfect
14:52:26 I had one question relative to Kevin's comment I'm wondering if his comment about the definition of Lot buildable is related to the definition that is included here today, which
includes the statement that a right to development of a lot can only be established once a development permit
14:52:50 application or building. Perm an application. Best pursuing to Jcc.
14:52:57 Kevin, do you? Are you still listening You're yeah, I'm just wondering, clarify that your comments is relative to the current version included in our packet.
14:53:18 yes, just to comment it. It's what we did at the planning commission in order to try and make that definition work.
14:53:27 Was that we added the purse. This is not a guarantee which, in my opinion, is an oxymoron, works it a lot, buildable not guaranteed.
14:53:13 That's not. There's still concerns about
14:53:47 Okay, Well, maybe you can qualify it by saying under existing conditions, because I've heard Staff say that changes in.
14:53:37 To be built or built on it. Just. There's something not working there, in my opinion, that is, gonna confuse the public that ought to be rectified
14:54:08 Right. There's no guarantee until, as as was mentioned by Staff, you come in with a permit, naturally apply that can guarantee that at that time that you've applied all of the
rules have been met you can, build so It's it's a difficult position there
14:54:26 and I certainly think that as we discussed, for instance, economic use we might, it.
14:54:35 It may be defined in critical areas, but we ought to be having somewhere out front, so that people understand what reasonable economic use intails because a lot of people who
have these types of lots are going to be searching for lifelines that allow them some kind of use of their property, that was at the time it was
14:54:54 created was under the the current State rules. So in my mind it was a legal aud at the time that it was created, However, we've got this determination between lot of record
and legal a lot of record that starts to and whether or not it was an illegal lot you know all of those terms are getting very
14:54:01 What have you, Mike? Your nurse? The decision on whether it's billable, but
14:55:30 So you're I'm I'm I'm really attached to your comments.
14:55:36 So a rights to development of a lot could only be established once a development permit application and building permanent application vests.
14:55:44 Isn't that what happens now when a builder is hired to build a house that you you have to go and get a permit, apply for a permit, and that has to be granted.
14:55:15 confusing in my mind, and I come from the building industry and running permits through all. The time. A A general layman is going to just throw their hands up and get frustrated.
I think, We ought to Try and get out ahead of some of that
14:56:03 In my opinion, it's not different than what's happening now.
14:56:06 Where, when I have a client, approach me, they want to build a house on a lot.
14:55:58 So how is this different than what's happening now? Or is this just part of the definition
14:56:12 The first things I'll do is go, have a cam with the county to determine land, use environmental health public works because road approach sometimes can be an issue.
14:56:24 All of those things can be determined through can meetings with the county.
14:56:29 what this process that involved lots that were created. And then, after that fact, zoning was created.
14:56:23 yeah.
14:56:39 That then them into being too small, even if they did not meet environmental health.
14:56:45 And all the in critical areas. They don't meet the zoning, So the whole reason we got into this is, I understand it is that because there wasn't a public hearing on the fact
that this zones were change back within created one to 5 and yet I only had a one acre lot is why
14:57:04 we're doing. This is why this whole exercise has been going on.
14:57:07 However, in the process we've now captured every other lot in the county, and said Everybody's involved in this and in my opinion I think, we are adding time and costs in a
environment Where we've been discussing the fact, that you know building is affordable, we're we're losing the workforce housing we're
14:57:27 losing the so I just I'm still concerned, and I know DCD.
14:57:35 Has that in mind, in the staff has tried to, you know.
14:57:38 Come up with a way that this additional step in permitting, which requires, you know, professionals getting involved in applications being involved in the rest of it.
14:57:47 Yeah, the DCD side. It may be, but I think we already have the steps enabling us to determine through the can process where there I can design something for a client that can
then be built now we're recreating an application process for this that I think it's gonna add time and money to every
14:58:08 I I think I'd like to hear from Staff regarding how many people apply for a septic permit prior to determining whether or not the Lot's buildable.
14:58:18 So so when people retain a professional, to help guide them through the process of building a home, I think I might agree with you that you would have a cam, but there are a
lot of folks that.
14:58:53 that would probably require research. Right? Yeah, we couldn't answer that right now, but that is a problem that we've identified, And I want to say that I'm glad that our planning
manager identified that we had some past processes in place to address specifically initial like that and over the the the years it was
14:59:12 removed, and so we're trying to solve all those issues and will look with a fine tooth code at a Commissioner Coker's comments.
14:59:24 If there's anything that we can do of that final version will incorporate that
14:59:37 yeah, build a little bit on what Kevin was saying.
14:59:41 which is that, And and I'll say I'm also.
14:59:46 I also like the idea of the Site Development Review process is that the correct name hum I I like that.
14:59:56 But I do wonder if projects need to go through that, or if there is a some sort of process improvement where that is, you know a part of the existing permitting process where
you know you protect a couple of boxes you know, like there's a a bit of a sensitivity, test in the
15:00:18 permit. And Yes.
15:00:25 Meets the need for Site Development Review. Then it goes in that pipeline, but not that all projects go in that pipeline because it sounds like most Don't need to hum so This
is more.
15:00:37 Process, maybe, than ordinance. But I do. I think it's a valid point that if indeed, we're talking about a limited number of parcels, that this applies to do we need to put
all properties or could we have some process, whereby those are identified early in the permitting process, and then get
14:59:30 Are there any other comments or questions from staff? Or can I see Kate has her hand up, Kate
15:01:04 Staff. Thank you, Commissioner Dean What I'll do is our team will look at this to see if there's any revisions that we could make.
15:01:12 That'll address specifically that that comment and Josh, I'll let him with
15:01:19 Yeah, thanks for queue and then up. So again back to Mark.
15:01:25 Asked about numbers, and, as Brand said, You know I don't.
15:01:28 I don't have the numbers with us. If we had perhaps environmental health with us today, maybe we'd have numbers.
15:01:34 But, as Brand said, we can prepare more, either as part of their agenda request tomorrow more realistically.
15:01:42 Portion of the conversation whenever you want it. During the public hearing.
15:01:44 Next Monday, so I would say this, though, about the anecdotally what I've experienced, even just in my short time back.
15:01:53 So with the county. That is, which is, since June. So I can think of a maybe a dozen cases already, where either information that someone received at a customer assistance meeting
or by virtue.
15:02:08 Of the fact that a septic application was applied for without land use.
15:02:12 Review We've encountered problems sometimes, people say.
15:02:17 Well, I heard I was told at this meeting. I could do Xyz, and then I go to the staff and say you didn't tell them that, did you?
15:02:24 And they said, No, Of course not. We said. The caveats that you know they weren't able.
15:02:27 They show up to a half hour meeting. They provided some. They basically walk.
15:02:31 People walk people through information, you mostly can get on the Internet by looking at maps and such.
15:02:37 Maybe a few extra notes, hustle to provide those notes, and then that improves the process.
15:02:43 Like Commissioner Coker, said the. But it's not flawless, and if anything, if we abandon this idea and go in a different direction definitely, will still have to revisit the
cam process to see what improvements.
15:02:54 We could possibly do to that to provide a different kind of service upfront.
15:02:59 Now I realize that lots of things have happened like Cams used to cost money, and then they were offered It's a free service with some kind of budget transfer to DCD and don't
know all about the details there but I will Say, that it is a challenge for the development review planners
15:03:13 to both do the cams and process permits which is one of the reasons, I would say, why permits are lagging right now is because and they still have to do the cam process which
doesn't bring in revenue at least, not directly so and results in a process where you get a set of notes from
15:03:33 that Customer Assistance meeting. But that's it. And what we're talking about here is solving a variety of problems.
15:03:41 Another problem that public health and they can speak more to this encounters is that they're used to working with a fairly discrete number of septic designers in our community,
and those folks are well trained for the most part, except they're well trained in designing septics
15:03:55 mostly, and not so much on some of the other aspects, like the land, disturbing activity or wetland identification, or some of the other things; and also when they they're supposed
to provide a site plan to public health it's part of their application.
15:04:10 It's supposed to identify all these environmental sensitive areas which you're supposed to be able to get off this publicly available information on the web.
15:04:15 Sometimes that works great most of the time. There's a back and forth, or it gets routed over to us and then, we have to send it back to the applicant because their flight plan
wasn't right what we're talking about now is this again asking the right questions at the right time an upfront service
15:04:29 where the planner basically does that work. Okay, Planner is the person arguably with the most experience in recognizing those features and so forth, provides that analysis
provides a map and some notes here's your blueprint for development.
15:04:44 In your case you even if that were the best wetland in the world.
15:04:48 In that corner you can be 305 feet away, and you're all set on with that regard.
15:04:53 Here's some other things to keep in mind. Go for it, and apply for your septic development.
15:04:57 Permit, or your or your building permit. By the way, that lot buildable, the definition would be a lot That's a legal lot of record that's gone through the site development
process to vest Then you have to for that guaranteed right you'd have to apply for the permit
15:05:09 so So in that case, no problem in other cases. Well, you're on the shoreline.
15:05:14 If you really want to build that close that's what you want to do.
15:05:18 You're gonna have to apply for a different process, like a shoreline variance, or whatever the case may be, you're gonna have.
15:05:24 To But you're gonna have to actually delineate that wetland if you want to get closer to it.
15:05:30 Because your site is so constrained that if we were to assume that's a class one like the best wetland in the world, you're not gonna be able to build you need to be closer.
15:05:39 So you need to actually delineate where the line is, and assess what type of wetland?
15:05:44 Because then we can find out what the exact buffer is.
15:05:46 According to the code, And then there's a 25 of that administrative variance process that the administrator can do otherwise You're now into process.
15:05:55 Where you're seeking a critical area of variance to get as close as possible, or maybe, for example, if you found out that that wetland is a class 4, and it only has a has a
much smaller buffer, Then the biggest buffer, we have.
15:06:06 Then oh, great! So now you found that out. Now you can dig test pits these other areas. Right now.
15:06:13 What we have are people sometimes, you know I and again I know I can't say what percentage of times it happens.
15:06:18 I just mean that it's pretty typical that people dig test pits.
15:06:22 They punch in a driveway. Sometimes they install curtain grain on a property to try to drive out a portion of it, to see whether there could be a septic system which actually
that might be in what's actually factually a wetland, and so forth, and what we're saying here is
15:06:34 that That's kind of how we've done things.
15:06:36 And now that we're taking care of this legal lot of record, question, let's also focus on this question of asking the right questions.
15:06:43 First, and so DCD. Is the first door you come in.
15:06:46 Provide the service. We set you up for success. We also remind you know it could also involve forest practices, That's be the next step in my book is that we go to Dnr and we
talk about taking over class 4 general force practices.
15:06:57 Which, are, when you convert from a force reuse to a non forestry like residential development.
15:07:02 That's another thing we could take on. It's another actually way to speed up that process.
15:07:07 Someone wouldn't have to go to Dnr to do a class for general forest practices. Application.
15:07:12 So that's just the next step and in order to do that, this site to Development Review is part and parcel of that whole program, that whole direction.
15:07:19 And by the way, I I think I could speak for environmental public health by saying that they completely support this process because we've been trying to work with them.
15:07:26 And I think for how many years now Hmm. I want to say 20 on just some of the issues with the 2 departments doing different things, routing stuff back, And forth who's charging?
15:07:37 What who's dealing with a customer first? And all of those questions.
15:07:40 And now we're we're both of the same mind that this process can in one door first will rectify many of those issues Sure, is there going to be a transition process?
15:07:50 Yes, there will be the wrinkles along the way that will have to iron out.
15:07:53 Indeed, but we're all working on a fairly large team right now.
15:07:58 on this issue and and moving forward so again, it's a proposal, and you can do it, or what you will.
15:08:04 I I'm really excited about. I I think that this you know, while dealing with the that's lots of legal record issue.
15:08:11 This really puts the horse in front of the cart, maybe for the first time, and a lot of our land use, So I you know I know that there are some problems, and we should process
all through.
15:08:21 This I guess I had a question for Matt. I was wondering just what the tenor I was unable to attend.
15:08:25 The hearing at the planning commission. And how how can I?
15:08:39 we received some testimony, not a lot, and some of it was from
15:08:48 Impacted landowners say, for example, there was one on the West End who are concerned about thoroughly understanding what was involved.
15:09:00 They wanted to, they felt, never surprised to get a card in the mail that seemed about such an important issue.
15:09:10 They found out about it they had difficulty figuring out exactly what was going on, which is not a surprise.
15:09:17 I mean, it's complex, and they were just hoping to be able to understand it better.
15:09:28 And generally.
15:09:28 In those cases grateful for people, explaining things, and but at the same time it's you know there are people that own really small lots and environmental, least sensitive
areas who are who are concerned about it.
15:09:47 Or curious about what what it means for them, or and it's different in every case.
15:09:53 So there's not really like an answer for these comments.
15:09:57 It's just kind of points more back towards.
15:10:00 How do we let everybody know what's going on, and and make sure that the input is received as best as possible.
15:10:08 And how do we keep figuring out other ways to outreach?
15:10:11 How do we figure out ways to explain it better? Even in the actual code?
15:10:17 And yes, and then there were other comments, and you know comments from commissioners such as what you've heard here.
15:08:29 Can you just give us a narrative about how many, how much testimony you received, and what was the general tenor of the testimony
15:10:27 It does. And I guess I was also wondering. I guess, Brian, what was the criteria for sending folks card, and how many cards?
15:10:40 yeah, about 1,960. If memory service is 1,966.
15:10:45 But the criteria for developing that list of property owners was to look with central services support at permitting history and develop a list of vacant lots and not residentially
developed plots, and to send and and then to reduce the number so we took we identified all of those lots doubled for lots
15:11:15 that were owned by the same property owner and just isolated the property owner as the fact, and got their mailing address, and and sent it out to all of those property owners
So we followed initially there was a proposal for a county wide mailer for everybody in the county and I think.
15:11:33 we then reduced to say, Who needs to receive this? The most?
15:11:37 And it's the people who don't make the moratorium exceptions, and the people who own lots that were perceived to be more most to keep the affected by the proposal.
15:10:35 I'm not sure if you already said this I I missed it
15:11:59 Yeah, I kind of want to go back to what Josh was saying, because I I appreciate that illuminates the
15:12:10 I don't know. I don't want to say problems might be too strong, or the issues with the cam process you know, I think the hard is that we have one process or every type of application
that you know some are going to be very simple and that development review process might be too.
15:12:32 Complex, some are really complex, and a cam is not at thorough enough to address them.
15:12:40 and so I just wanna say that I I recognize that the cam process which we might not have made any easier by making free to the is, you know, if this is an opportunity to think
about how we do that currently I port that too, I realize we're at a time a tight.
15:13:01 Time, and so that that might not be possible to do right now.
15:13:05 But seems to me that that's the problem Is that treating a oh interior remodel through the same process that we treat application for a septic install for new developments.
15:13:20 Those are very different things, and they need different levels of review.
15:13:24 So how you know how we do that that is, in your Ballywick. Obviously not mine.
15:13:30 but I I I just want to say, appreciate that complexity and this is an opportunity to help fix that great.
15:13:38 But I also know that this might not be the time given.
15:11:52 Thank you, Kate. I see your hand up
15:13:42 I also got a little snagged when you started talking about cams and realizing that there may be a schism and public understanding between what a cam achieves and site development
review achieves.
15:13:57 And I was wondering if there was an opportunity to place Cams on that.
15:14:01 Hello! I forget what Brian called it, but it looks like a flow chart to me.
15:11:51 Ordinance.
15:14:20 If I might take a first stab at? And answering that question, maybe adding a layer of nuance to understand you know where cam fits in generally and what it accomplishes versus
the depth of information that can be provided during the site development review process I think a a good example
15:14:40 is that a cam comes, can come before everything. So before you're submitting leave a lot of record determination applications to the county, you can start with A, camp.
15:14:50 You can get your picture off the fly in a 30Â min, meeting what critical areas might be on site, what are the prescriptive regulations that apply to them?
15:15:00 And how can I start to develop a conceptual design for this property based on the cam information, for instance, especially for shoreline?
15:15:09 This is an area that we have at least excuse me anecdotally.
15:15:13 This is an area that I have reviewed a number of times.
15:15:15 Yeah, is during a cam will state your interline jurisdiction, and there's a 150 foot critical area buffer from Bord, near a hot watermark is a 10 foot development, set back
from that 150 foot mark and then there's a 200 foot
15:15:34 jurisdiction mark for shoreline, and we can convey that those different lines will be set back from ordinary high watermark inside of that half hour cam meeting But we can't
necessarily provide an accurate ordinary high watermark representation and so when we get the permit application in after the
15:15:56 cam ordinary high watermark that's determined by the architect or septic designer, or whoever has contributed to this to The site plan may not be accurate, so the site development
and then we engage in a back and forth and we have to involve department, of ecology and
15:16:13 say is this ordinary high watermark determination, accurate by the septic designer?
15:16:20 4, 7, so, and so we can provide a depth of information during Site Development Review and go through the process for a shoreline properties to identify an accurate ordinary
high watermark.
15:16:32 And We can cooperate that with department of ecology if we need to.
15:16:36 So the depth of information that we can provide as a part of site that don't review for a more complex complex cases is better than what we can offer during a 3Â min, cam and
That means the the resultant back and forth in adjusting site plans doesn't happen as often
15:14:06 with the different rivers coming together at the end, but is is a cam at the very beginning of that process, or you know, where where do cams fit into the process that you're
clarifying right now?
15:16:59 Yeah, I think it gets at it, but I still think we need to be clear and letting the public giving some public guidance on what comes when or if you have any question schedule
a cam or you know just having that on a website, web page, printed.
15:17:17 You know, so I'm glad that we didn't have anything else scheduled this afternoon wondering if there's any more comments or questions from Staff, and then I see we still have
a member of the public here to make a comment So i'm not gonna forget that and there.
15:17:36 May be others on who are on with us on the attendee list, who wanna make a comment today.
15:17:42 go ahead. Brand and staff can come back and schedule a workshop just to provide an overview.
15:17:46 Now we've had cams for 9 months. That were from okay, and so we could come back to the board and provide an overview of how the process has been going and also, provide information
about what we're providing the public on the web pages about cams.
15:18:06 And you could look at the materials, and and so we can schedule that I could work with the county administrator to get a a workshop in this quarter, in the in the coming quarter.
15:18:16 I think I'm what I'm more interested in seeing is just how cams and interrelate with this process that we're outlining.
15:18:23 Now other than knowing how many people have done. Cams in the last 3 months.
15:18:27 I'm more interested in. You know How are we gonna thread cams into this process so that it's clear I see, Josh hasn't seen up.
15:18:36 Yeah, I know, I realize we've been talking about this for a long time.
15:18:38 So I appreciate your patience, and so I'll be brief.
15:18:41 That is absolutely something we're considering commissioner Eisenhower how to morph the Cams into something else.
15:18:48 Or just think about how to integrate them more into this new process.
15:18:51 So I would say that in my mind the Cams would be still an opportunity.
15:18:58 Still an option. We may move to a format where we have more of a planner of the day, which is what it used to be versus scheduling appointments.
15:19:05 We'll have to think about that a bit. But really the questions would be more about assistance with understanding applications how to apply.
15:19:15 If you have questions before you apply those kinds of things, it could be parcel specific to a certain degree?
15:19:21 But as Brian was suggesting, perhaps less specific about each individual parcel, because we have this other process, which is how you get those questions answered together,
with a result you know, rather than just sort of a set of notes, or a conversation that one planner has with you and then you come in later that's another
15:19:36 thing that we get, and we're working on this when we have a lot of new staff lot of training potential there.
15:19:44 but one. Thing We hear what we heard clearly, and I'll actually bring up something specific that we heard from lean consultant about the housing solutions network survey about
community development, and there was a expression that
15:20:00 Well, there's an expression that is frustrating when you hear one thing from one department another from another.
15:20:06 So there's that, and we're working on that with environmental health, but also that you know, we came to DCD.
15:20:10 We got directions, we thought we followed them, but then, when we went back, we were told to do something we had to do something else, something different.
15:20:18 And again, I think that's part of that sort of discomfort related communication loop that happens sometimes, and that where focusing on developing a process, that you're getting
those questions answered upfront in a way, that you can then rely on that information.
15:20:32 Again, if you act swiftly after you get the information, you have a better chance of being able to get that vested right to get to develop when you have a complete permit, application,
and so if you wait 10 years, then outbits are off, sort of But I guess the the issues.
15:20:49 That we're we're that's part of what we're thinking about.
15:20:54 What is the balance between the services that we offer through the Psychedeline Review versus what we do in normal customer assistance meetings or other types of guidance like
Brent Just mentioned, our Permit instructions or web presence and the like thanks Josh and I'd love to see
15:21:07 you guys do come, you know, just kind of going through the process with inter gov in mind, too, because I see that as a real opportunity to streamline the process, and you know
that the complaint that you talked about is probably the most common one that I get to that you know I went and they told me one thing, and someone else
15:21:24 told me something different, and then I had this problem with this contractor, and then the landscape changed again.
15:21:28 So. You know I'd love to learn if and how integrv can help streamline that.
15:21:34 And you know, as I say, I think this is this: This ordinance is specifically the Site Development Review is really a step in the right direction, and making that process more
logical, and step by step in a way that 200 progresses each project rather than having some you know uncomfortable all the ways
15:21:56 Any more comments or questions from commissioners planning commissioners, staff
15:22:03 Really, appreciate your time and all the work I know As As Matt said, this has been quite a lift, and thank you, for you know, queuing to a pretty pretty strict deadline.
15:22:11 I know it's a big lift. Okay, We did not have a public comment period as part of this agenda item, but, as you know I have my pinchant is for more public dialogue and hearing
more from our constituents, so we haven't been privy.
15:22:30 To all of the conversations that you guys have about this issue, and there are people here who would like to make comments, and I would very much like to hear from them.
15:22:37 So if you are online with us and in the zoom room, and would like to make a comment on the conversation we've been having this afternoon, please use the raise hand button at
the bottom of your zoom screen I think I don't see anyone just on the phone So and then I know is
15:22:58 there you are here as a member of the public, and interested in making a comment.
15:23:04 Yeah, coming up, got grabbed the mic, and you can slide it into that little covey back, and it'll Say, okay.
15:23:23 okay. So hi, Liz: coker lot of hats.
15:23:27 We won't go into them today. But let's start with a couple issues that I have, and I do want to point out that I have been running a building forum every month.
15:23:35 With the building officials from the county for the last year and a half, to which the city and county have been sending people all the time in Brett's.
15:23:43 In quite often So this has come up many, many times, So I was a little surprised when I saw the direction that this took.
15:23:50 And I'm gonna go over this with you off a legal lot of record versus a lot of record.
15:23:55 Do you know why a lot of record is a legal lot of record, Because it's conveyed?
15:23:59 I believe you said it. It's sold, it's transferred.
15:24:01 So it has to be recognized by the Rcw.
15:24:05 In Washington as a legal lot. Now there are lots registered with Jefferson County that are not legal lots, and they occur when Hi!
15:24:14 Do you want to leave a little piece of your land to an nephew or niece?
15:24:18 You can go in and just tell them to do that, and they'll split it.
15:24:19 It's not a buildable lot. It's not a regular side, may not even be record.
15:24:25 It may be 300 square feet doesn't matter You're allowed to do that in the State of Washington, and they will split that, and that will be a tax parcel, and that will be taxed
that is never going to be a legal lot if you think of those 25 hundred-foot. Iron dial lots which i'm very familiar.
15:24:41 With, however, however, those I believe, were plaid and made so if a lot was split before 1,969, I believe it's August seventh is the date you gave us.
15:24:51 It is recognized in the State of Washington as a legal lot of record.
15:24:56 Not a lot of record. So we're getting into a really dancing area where we say, here's a legal lot, And now we're here's a lot.
15:25:05 And now we're gonna decide if it's legal, I admit, reviewing it to see that it wasn't one of those lots I just described, as you know, an inheritance or something that's the
illegal lot get it And again, Now, we're into another area altogether So
15:25:19 I sent you all. I believe you got it. The Clark County legal lot of determination, and I want you to know all I did was go in and do Washington State of Washington legal a lot
of record This is at the top of the list it is not What you all received in the planning Commission earlier I don't know why
15:25:34 this is was done in 2,016. It was reviewed by the attorney generals.
15:25:38 It was reviewed by many attorneys in Clark County, and actually across the State.
15:25:42 To be honest, and this was found to be a really solid piece of work.
15:25:47 I want to point out to you that what they say is this: A legal lot of record is a parcel of land that is consistent with the zoning and planning laws that were in place when
it was a originally created well, if there's laws were 1940 it's whatever there weren't
15:25:59 a lot of them where they there there probably weren't a lot of planning rules in 1,940, or 1,880.
15:26:03 But whatever they were, they are so I I have serious concern in this new document that you have to go through and be approved to be a legal lot of record and the references
for after 1,969 it'll be approved as a legal lot of record no i'm sorry
15:26:20 everything prior to 1,969 is a legal lot of record, and that has to be the checkbox.
15:26:25 One. So I realize this is a lot of information. I did send it to you before.
15:26:30 I do want to say. This came up in our conversations.
15:26:33 This isn't new to the county, so I was really a little surprised that there was this big split, and I really think that we need to address this before you go further.
15:26:43 As far as the buildable versus the non-builtable. I see the red light.
15:26:47 I'm sorry if I can beg Just another moment.
15:26:50 I think that there's an understanding of. Can you build it on a lot?
15:26:55 Yes, there's a whole. Oh, there's a whole bunch of rules that tell you whether you can build on a lot and you use that to find out whether you're basically in the zone or whether
your lot is even possibly buildable.
15:27:06 Going in and getting vested means you put in an application, and the time is not a complete but a substantially complete application is how Rcw.
15:27:14 Reads, I believe, which means that you miss checking a box on page 42, right, I mean no one's trying to dog you because you missed one box or one teeny sheet of paper.
15:27:23 Our DCD. Is very nice, they call you, and they go, Hey, come on, send it in.
15:27:25 That's not what's going on here. We want to make sure that people are vesting.
15:27:28 We are investing laws to protect it, understanding that you can build on a lot that is already illegal.
15:27:34 A lot of records, such as several of these very small lots. Their legal lots of record are They buildable?
15:27:40 No Heidi, they're not unless they environmental health says you've got.
15:27:45 I believe it's 15,000 square feet Now for a subject.
15:27:48 So if you've got a 16,000 square foot lot, because you put 2 lots together and there's no damage to his water and environmental and all that other stuff, then our county needs
to allow that to be built on and saying well, it was before 1,969 i'm not gonna allow
15:28:01 that? Whoa! You know that that's not helping with affordable housing.
15:28:05 Nor is it helping that emotion of these lots belong to old people who want to have family living next to them, and that's what they're using this for.
15:28:13 So I didn't see that exception which Brent gave us in the moratorium.
15:28:16 That families would not be affected by doing this, and I, and the very exception that he went back, and gave us immediately, and thank you for that way back.
15:28:23 A year ago. I'm afraid that got lost cause I'm not hearing that at all about when a family wants to break off and sell to an immediate close family member because a lot of people
can't go to a nursing home anymore.
15:28:33 They can't. Who wants to go to one after Covid? Let's be honest.
15:28:36 You want a family member to move in to the lot next to you and build on it.
15:28:39 That was your plan plan 40 years ago, and now you're 80.
15:28:43 We should not ever attempt to take that away from the people in this county.
15:28:47 And again, I don't have to tell you. We have the third oldest county in the nation, the oldest county in Washington, so we need to protect all those Yeah, prayer people I Can
say that I've got it because we've got other people raising.
15:29:01 Their hand now, So thank you Yeah, Thank: you, Lizanne.
15:29:04 okay. So somebody did figure out the star 9 thing without me saying it, which is great.
15:13:40 The timeframe we're on
15:29:17 Heidi It's Alisa Hasbrook, from Jefferson County.
15:29:22 Public health, environmental public health, and I have Linda Atkins just wanted to let you know we do have staff from environmental health here, but our link doesn't allow us
to to raise to do anything in the Zoom.
15:29:10 so the caller ending in 4, 8, 9. Let's bring them over, and you'll have 3Â min for public comment.
15:29:34 But we're here, if Yeah, thank you. And I guess like to make the comment that we really appreciate working closely with the planning department and staff on the ordinance, really
figuring out these finessing the details in the actual process specifically regarding those kinds of remodels that might be minor
15:30:01 or in the case of septic system repairs. We're all very conscious of water quality, and we want to make sure that we're not limiting ability for folks to repair existing septic
systems with a process that inhibits that and so we've been working closely with them on
15:29:35 Okay, thanks, So much. Okay.
15:30:21 Thank you, Linda. So just letting folks know that these comments are not part of the hearing record, the hearing is next week.
15:30:31 These are just early comments, and if you want your comments to be part of the record, you need to come and speak at the hearing or provide written testimony, which I know some
of you have is there anyone else who's joined Us.
15:30:43 This afternoon online who would like to make a public comment. You can re use the raise hand button at the bottom of the zoom screen or press star 9.
15:30:54 If you're on the phone, anybody else. Wanna make a comment this afternoon.
15:31:05 Okay. I'm not seeing any other hands. Co up. So I'm gonna close.
15:31:09 Public comment. Thank you for your comments and I don't know if we wanna respond, Okay, Kate's got your hand up.
15:30:19 getting those details worked out
15:31:23 That's okay. I don't know if it would be Barbara or Brent, or maybe Josh.
15:31:31 Well address the the kind of legal rationale for why we are interpreting but question of legal lots differently, and I am looking at the Call Louisiana sent out and I'm assuming
we are interpreting something differently and we'll just love
15:31:20 Sorry I had too many screens open. Kate.
15:31:54 Yeah, I think I think Barbara's a logical person.
15:32:01 yeah, I mean, we've looked at that, And I think Brian also has has researched this quite a bit lot of record is intended to encompass all those lots out there that were created
through legal processes such as test testamentary provision where you know someone divides up their property and
15:32:29 gives it to other devices, in order to allow them, you know, with the hopes that they could build, etc.
15:32:37 But you know a lot of times those things happen, and they're not lots that conform with zoning and the courts have made clear that even though testamentary provision is exempted
from the subdivision act it's not buildable be not necessarily buildable, I should
15:33:02 say, because you know, if the lots don't conform with the zoning, If, for example, there's a lot that's created, that is all critical areas, those sorts of things cities, and
county still have the obligation to enforce their their zoning laws, on these lots So they are
15:33:24 conveyable, though, and that's the difference. It, you know.
15:33:28 You could have a completely illegal lot that was illegally created.
15:33:32 That's not conveyable. That's a violation of the Subdivision Act.
15:33:36 But there is a category of lots that are that can be conveyed, but may not necessarily be buildable, and so the idea with the ordinance was to create a term that would capture
that set subset of lots and identify them and that being you know whether or not it was
15:34:00 legally created is a first step, and determining whether it is eligible for development.
15:34:08 So the second step is going through the legal lot of record process, which is 1812, essentially oh, 7.
15:34:17 Oh, no! 8! Oh, to determine whether the lot is eligible for development!
15:34:23 We have coupled on to that the the Site Development Review process, because we realize that it's really hard to make a sort of essentially paper determination of when a lot
is Eligible for for development, without looking at some of the site.
15:34:44 Characteristics, thanks So legal lot of record is a term that comes directly out of the Washington Administrative code, and that is actually the code having to do with onsite
septic And it there's a exception within those rules that's, allows any lot that's a legal lot of
15:35:07 record to be to get a septic system placed upon it.
15:35:15 If it's been determined by the county to be a legal lot of record, and this was one of the original reasons, you know, When I first came to work here in July of 2021, Phil told
me this is my first assignment was to work on this legal a lot of record determination because you
15:35:33 know, environmental help needed clarification on what a leave a lot of record was.
15:35:41 So that's why we use that terminology.
15:35:45 And you know, I think there there isn't a requirement that you use those terms in the ordinance.
15:31:55 That address those comments, Barbara, do you have a response to Kate's question
15:31:51 to to hear more about that
15:36:19 Yeah, I mean I I I
15:36:23 I'd like to dig a little further and better understand, You know, just I I do think that that thing to see how differently Clark County.
15:36:34 In but the what I'm guessing is that same whack just mentioned says: planning standards specify the type of county review process required to legally create new I'm wondering
is that where we're saying like you know, that that was never fleeted on some of these and So therefore those
15:36:57 are not lots, anyway. It just it's it's very, very different.
15:35:52 You could change them if you wanted to, but we thought it was important to identify the subset of lots that are conveyable, but not necessarily build a ball, and then also have
a a determination for those that are eligible for development hope that answers your questions
15:37:08 Hmm: Well, there are policy choices to be made on this stuff, you know, Like I said last week, you know the Ag is looked at these issues.
15:37:18 They're difficult issues to determine how to to to treat these old plots.
15:37:23 No and I'm I'm not really all that familiar with county system, but it looks like they have a less rigorous test.
15:37:33 For how what lot can be developed? And that's okay.
15:37:37 You can do it that way. We look at a lot of factors, including, you know, the issues of water quality, and then the the way our own environmental health currently administers
the onsite septic, code.
15:37:02 It's it's interesting to see so starkly at black and white how interpret this
15:36:15 Kate, does that answer your question?
15:38:02 Philip, did you? Wanna I saw your camera Come on, Welcome, welcome back!
15:38:06 I hope you had a restful break Oh, you're muted.
15:38:12 You got your microphone up, up, around, pull it down. Nope, that's not it.
15:37:54 And we tried to create an ordinance that was confirmed with that
15:38:16 No, I know a week, week, 2 weeks gone. He's lost all all of zoom skills.
15:38:25 Volume 3 weeks. Okay, fair. I I lose it, too. Is it volume?
15:38:30 No.
15:38:33 Can hear you
15:38:38 Yeah, no, go. Okay, We still can't hear you, Philip.
15:38:18 You're out of practice, Philip.
15:38:48 Okay, So can you hear me now? Okay, I just put on.
15:38:52 I just put on a different microphone. So if you, the the harder the problem is, Barbara was talking about is in this definition of log record.
15:39:04 That's in the ordinance that we what we're changing. Okay?
15:39:07 So if you look at the definition of a lot of record, what stricken out is what Barbara was talking about, it's the reference to that It's not a legal lot of record in the old
code and doesn't comply with requirements, of chapter 58 17
15:39:27 of the Rcw. And that's where that administrative term that Barbara was talking about comes from is from the whack that implements chapter.
15:39:36 58, 17, Rcw. So when we set propose something like the kits app ordinance forwarded for legal lot of record determination, which is much more like a Clark County ordinance environmental
public health.
15:39:51 Said Well, wait a minute. You call these little bitty loss up in the duck of bush, and the and the Dosey Wallops River, where, if those become legal on record without any thought
about environmental quality then you're gonna have a water, quality, problem up there that's gonna be made works by doing
15:40:13 that, and so that's why we got on this discussion that we're that we're in now.
15:40:19 That also balances environmental quality with these issues. And if you remember, from the print, from the presentation that that Brian did the number one concern is water quality
about What we're doing with this ordinance, so I think that's why it's important.
15:40:38 That it'd be individualized, and that this process be adopted because we have water quality issues that are also being addressed.
15:40:49 And when you look at that definition that I was just talking about the old definition of leave a lot of record.
15:40:54 I call that the stupidest definition, our code repeatedly as just to be blot about it, because it's specifically was not addressing the question of of lot size and lot build
ability build ability for purposes of the alternative way that you can figure out what a lot size.
15:41:18 is, and so th. This approach considers that that's the big difference.
15:38:43 Not a word. No, maybe just unplug the headset and go with Oh, oh, I can hear you
15:41:39 Thank you for
15:41:58 No, it's helpful, and it may be it's I think it's good to be explicit about that.
15:42:01 And you know, we are making policy choices.
15:41:45 Any other questions. Comments? That's Grant. No, Kate, any follow-on questions to that
15:42:13 I guess I thought I have one question about this kind of phone, and up on on this last week forget it's in the exception that the 1,937 date to the 1,969 and there was some
I was under the impression we were that we had to
15:42:33 do this? And obviously Clarke County is, you know, would allow these 1890 flat maps to be good, and you know, if there's water quality issue, this is the only way to to skin
that cat to to address any water quality issues and you know Liz is right that we are in a housing crisis. Right?
15:42:51 Now. So I guess I just want to understand the decisions that are in front of us that are are defendable in these ordinances that
15:43:03 I don't know what what I guess. Hey, what is the decision point, and what?
15:43:08 Where, where can we make this choice? I mean, it's 1,969.
15:43:14 The subdivision, The subdivision rules from August the eleventh, 1,969, I mean Clark County is doing something very different, and if it's defendable, I guess has it been considered
or it was until Environmental public health said we've got some I Don't
15:43:29 know. I guess they. I've got more questions. I when I started what I'm saying
15:43:37 And there wasn't a question there. I know it's just a I'm just expressing on week
15:43:48 yeah, so. So so we do. We did consider something like the Clerk County ordinance in the process.
15:43:56 we. We started looking at. I mean this I've been looking at this for for about 2 years, when when Pinky came to me and said, We need a legal lot of record ordinance and I didn't
and she said it really fast that I Didn't I wasn't it sounded like we a lot of record and I'm
15:44:12 like, What did you say? You all know that I did not?
15:44:16 You know the the have the greatest hearing in the world, world.
15:44:21 But and so I just I did the same same thing that Roseanne did.
15:44:26 I, my Google. It, only I got the kits that born now it's not the Clark County Ordinance, and said, Well, here you go.
15:44:33 Here's the answer. And so we've been talking about this fix with environmental public health, at least since I think, almost 2 years.
15:44:47 And and then, and you know, and and Barbara's right that is, I put that as her number one priority.
15:44:54 When she went went to work for the county, because we weren't moving forward on it, and we had to consider a bunch of different policy choices when we were going through the
process.
15:45:06 I think that's the difference between an approach like like Clark County or Kitsap, and the one that was ultimately chosen in this process where you're making choices, How that's
going to affect affordable hazards you can't know that I suspect that it's going to
15:45:25 make make it possible to have lots that aren't available, will now that will be developable because of this 4 nets, because now you don't, have, you know, the ability to do
the kind of analysis that you could do, and and and and approve lots, that, you wouldn't.
15:45:44 Have if he had a a a Clark County type, or a kiss.
15:45:49 That county ordinance. So to me, this makes good policy, because it considers a bunch of choices and balances all of them
15:46:01 And it sounds like I I didn't. But the planning commission meetings, but it sounds like that's a a main reason why the planning Commission like this.
15:10:25 I hope that helps Good question.
15:46:17 Yeah, I would, I would say yes. I mean, I would say that.
15:46:21 you know there's there's a lot of concerns about the policy decisions that we're talking about, and and I guess I mentioned that in my earlier comments in terms of congruence
with the comprehensive plan is one way of looking at those environmental considerations that's
15:46:38 kind of the benchmark that we use on the planning Commission to look at something like this.
15:46:42 And you know, besides, our yeah, what what we hear from our constituents and our in our own hearts.
15:43:45 Hey, Keith, fix that for me, Phil. I saw Philip
15:46:55 So I I I have one. I wrote a question down a long time ago, but I heard you guys in your presentation talk about a priority of continued public Outreach and I wonder what that
looks like is that just like forever.
15:47:10 We do a better job of promoting the code changes that we're making?
15:47:17 Or is there a specific public outreach that we want to do between now and say next week or October third?
15:47:27 and I noticed in Brian's presentation The outreach to homeowners, associations, and focus groups, I'm just kind of wondering if someone could characterize those efforts to me
those outreach efforts like what did that did we send the letter to the homeowners associations or did
15:47:45 we sit down with them or in the focus groups. Who were, Who are we?
15:47:53 yeah, So, the we we identified 13 homeowners associations.
15:48:00 some of them had email contact available. Most of them were telephone numbers, and so we left voice mails and communicated with the Homeowners Association.
15:48:11 Especially, we could through phone numbers. Frankly, we didn't get a lot of response again.
15:48:17 I noticed we only have one continuing conversation happening with Homeowners Association out of Olympic now tracks no actually interested in using the platform, need a lot of
record determination that we've identified in the code they're interested in that process as a part of their utility
15:48:33 planning and potential for creating a local utility district, coordinating that effort, that determination with Pd: So we we've had some success.
15:48:44 But low, response rates. And we heard back from one that we reached out to and then focus group sign ups.
15:48:53 There were 12 focus group sessions that were made available since July.
15:49:00 At the end of July. We did not have enough responses from the key community except to fill 2.
15:47:49 Who were the focus groups. Ryan: Okay.
15:49:22 Thank you.
15:49:26 And I I would point out that, as I indicated earlier, we did have public notification of the Planning Commission's deliberations, and it was not only in the Peninsula Daily
News I just verified that it was also the in the port towns of leader and so we did
15:49:44 that was supplemental to what was just stated, and I think one other component that I think it's important to note is that leading up to this we did have fairly regular meetings
with a group of brokers in the county and that helped us see some of the
15:50:05 concerns, and helped us in informing that outreach strategy.
15:50:11 Thank you, Josh.
15:50:18 No specific heidi to your question, Genie Mccracken or County make back end.
15:50:22 Nick Macken. Why did I say that I was looked at it too?
15:50:25 Can you? I can Yeah, or or our community information person attended the last planning commission meeting because she had helped write those pieces that we sent to the Pdn.
15:50:36 And the leader and some people showed up actually because they read those articles.
15:50:42 They specifically said that at least a couple, anyway.
15:50:43 Yeah, And so we could work with Genie on another piece.
15:50:47 So just sort of an immediate thing is work on another piece both in conjunction with the board, hearing next Monday, which is coming right up, but also the decision on in early
October so that's the first obvious step then the second step again would be things.
15:50:59 That we're already working on, which would be to prepare the new application materials. To guidance.
15:51:04 The web, presence, the statements, and all of that that goes with the transition process.
15:51:07 If this were to be adopted, all of that work, then your broader question, I think.
15:51:12 But there's always room for information and outreach.
15:51:13 But that's what's mentioned. I I don't.
15:51:16 I don't personally remember time when we sent out 1,700 postcards, but you know there's an expense associated with that, but it it worked for this particular, meeting and to
a certain degree but a lot of things are just county wide things so we just have to come up.
15:51:28 With innovative ways to reach the public. I know my mom got one She's like.
15:51:30 That's the first time I've ever received a postcard from the county.
15:51:34 That was great. So I post it was appreciated, at least in my very near family, and I do notice that Deani is with us. She's been with us most.
15:51:42 Of this afternoon. As part of this discussion, and I also see the leaders, been auditing the discussion as well.
15:51:50 So maybe we can consider the get them hooked up with the conversation.
15:52:00 Okay, anything else, Anything else. Anyone online wants to make a public comment.
15:52:08 Oh, I already close public comment. I'm so bad about that, Carolyn should be texting me any second.
15:52:14 So so yeah, okay. Well, if there's nothing else this afternoon, I appreciate all the time, And I'm and like, I said earlier, I'm glad we did not have anything else on the agenda.
15:52:24 I looked at the agenda last week, and I said, Mark, this looks lame.
15:52:28 We, we, look lame. But, he said, I think we're gonna have a long discussion.
15:52:32 On the afternoon. So: yeah. Yeah. So I appreciate everyone's time and know how valuable it is and welcome back.
15:52:40 Philip It's nice to see you. And yeah, yeah, I want to.
15:52:51 Have some of that rub off on me. And Brian.
15:52:53 We really appreciate your clear presentation. I just really appreciate the way that you present.
15:52:56 Very clearly and completely, and come back to kind of wrapping things up at the end of a slide and saying, where we're at and where we're going next.
15:53:05 So appreciate your extra work on this and Josh and Brent solid work.
15:53:12 Thank you. Guys, And now we have the hard work ahead. But we'll see you next Monday for the public.
15:53:17 Hearing, so I will. We We can call this agenda item done, and is there anything else, Kate or Greg, that you'd like to discuss this afternoon, Mark?
15:53:32 I'm exhausted after that
15:53:35 You know, look exhausted, I find it energizing.
15:53:46 I'm trying to think if I had anything else to cover today
15:53:41 Let's talk about some more code, Kate. Anything from you
15:53:56 There was one thing that I touched base with Mark on earlier being still being the new girl Commissioner is just just confirming.
15:54:05 Is it? Is it a standard practice for the county to close between Christmas and New Year's?
15:54:11 We did that last year and I've had some requests for my time.
15:54:17 So, but I don't want to make a plan of anything unless we're all in agreement.
15:54:22 That that's the plan, cause it looks like the December twenty-sixth to the end of that week.
15:53:53 Yeah, not seeing anything.
15:54:26 I mean it. Kind of those 2 weekends are holidays
15:54:35 Well, no, no, I mean but well, in terms of Commissioner business.
15:54:39 Business. That's a that's acquiring me pretty quiet ways.
15:54:43 I might plan on not being here that week, just saying, you guys can go ahead without me, though.
15:54:49 Hmm: Okay, Well, if there's nothing else I'll adjourn our meeting for today, and we'll see around the courthouse, and then next Monday.
15:54:31 Yeah, the county definitely doesn't close. Just to be clear with the public