HomeMy WebLinkAboutclosed_caption16:30:10 Okay, it's 4 30, so we can get started with our meeting. Thanks.
16:30:14 Everyone for being here and I think I've been communicating with most of you via email and maybe you've got another email from someone else.
16:30:22 But we're all here, and it looks like we're still in a few chairs, which means we can proceed, which is great.
16:30:31 There's a features up here, Cindy.
16:30:36 So I am just gonna be kind of hosting the meeting and moderating a little bit.
16:30:44 Most of our presentation tonight will be done. By my colleague, Mallory.
16:30:47 Whyinimer, who's chickity, forestry?
16:30:50 And she has a presentation that covers general forestry issues and also some of the specific parcels that can county has that are forested, and then some of the Dnr Lands that
we've been talking about different management Options.
16:31:06 On. So we are. Gonna try and hold our presentation portion to an hour and leave the second hour for questions and discussion.
16:31:17 I can't hear them
16:31:23 I also need to make sure that that door is unlocked for public to come in it's up to you.
16:31:31 It has to be an awful yeah.
16:31:34 I think this should leave the door closed. If people are okay, with that, and then there's people want to come in.
16:31:44 They can come in okay. So anyway, we're gonna hold the presentation to an hour and then we'll have an hour for questions and discussion.
16:32:01 No? Yeah. And I'm gonna call this special meeting of the Jefferson County Boarding Commissioner.
16:32:01 So order. That's 4 32, and turn the microphone over to Mallory. Thank you.
16:32:09 So much. I am Mallory we have chickney forestry, and I am I've been contracting for the county for 3 years now, and okay.
16:32:55 Alright. Thank you. So I'm gonna first turn it over to you.
16:33:01 My public to talk about where you're gonna talk about the role of board.
16:33:06 This is the meeting agenda. So talking about role for Us overview of the work done in county forestry program, and then our relationship with Dnr Dnr lands and some of the products
that are going on with tanner and then I'll Be in
16:33:23 Okay.
16:33:28 Oh, Ron, I'm an ecologist!
16:33:33 Actually live in Los Angeles, but always had me into kind of providing ecological context.
16:33:37 Here about our Jefferson County for us just a a chance to kind of cool our our understanding.
16:33:46 So think about the ecosystem services that are Jefferson County force.
16:33:51 Provide this better. So the this graphic gives us a list of of the breakdown of ecosystem services that include for us which take in atmosphere carbon dioxide, which is important
in this day and age the understanding that increasing atmospheric carbon
16:34:12 Dioxide is leading to rapid climate change. Our course.
16:34:16 Wrigley our global air temperatures and voicemail importantly, they absorb rainfall and storms, soil which can which keeps us more stable, or is provide.
16:34:26 How does that for and endless list of species of all sizes for us provide our recreational spaces, and of course for us provide economic events through the wood products industry.
16:34:44 What is I mentioned? The role force providing habitat for species in this this traffic is up to to kind of illustrate 2 2 thoughts: one is that we look at for us in terms of
their structure and complexity and in this graphic sorry it's covered a little bit but we
16:35:00 Have idealized for us that has multiple canopy layers, and from the over story canopy all those way down to ground vegetation and another thing that's important to mention about
complex war structure is the whole is largely debris so bon sags and
16:35:19 Wood on the forest floor. So surface there, and of course, the soil we think about those layers because of their importance to the carbon cycle, and then on the other side this
graphic also happens to illustrate complex for us provide complex how does that for a wide variety disease
16:35:39 Just at the stage of going pretty far back. But prior to Euro America Settlement, East of Jefferson County was dominated by the forest I would have covered the majority of the
landscape.
16:35:51 Everything in green on this, and the and the browns as well are different forest types
16:36:01 And of course, in the recent period the landscape has experienced significant transformations with forests being transformed to other types of land cover from development to
agricultural land, but also transformations within the forest which represent typically a decrease in that structural complex
16:36:23 We think about challenges facing our global forests of land conversion forces, key one but also the pressures that are brought to our force from our current changing planet.
In our area.
16:36:36 We expect that gang cloud will bring about increased temperatures.
16:36:40 In fact, it already is but also harder to predict changes to the timing and the intensity of our rainfall, with the understanding that most likely rainfall would change in its
intensity with winter storms and floods but also increasing summer droughts the little yellow and red
16:36:59 Grab that's showing as the timeline of our current assessment of drought, and you can see in the more recent period we are experiencing more summer drones and these purchase
from climate change are being also are showing up with some changes are for cell in particular with big leaf.
16:37:17 Label and Western red Sears, which, on the small kind of intensity in color, is showing some modit dialogue.
16:37:25 Of western road, seated, and in fact the core service which does a very overplayed every year of our level for us.
16:37:33 That's the map on the right. They they works in magic, but they actually actually do forest health challenges that they see from the airplanes.
16:37:43 He and other pathogens are being detected as showing up in our local forests, and another characteristic about our our local course here in Eastern Jefferson County, is that
we already for being in the rain shadow but we have some extremely dry forests, that
16:38:04 Are very unique to the State, so we have a handful of different forest types that are found.
16:38:09 I'm only in the Reach shadow area
16:38:15 So I'm gonna hand the stage over. But just thank you of our conversation today is as zoom.
16:38:23 Look at balancing these elements of our interconnected ecosystems.
16:38:28 The ecosystem services, and also obviously the economics, so that we can make some choices that reflect our values and our desire feature.
16:38:36 Okay.
16:38:38 Thanks. Candy.
16:38:43 Great, so wanna take that contact here so that we're all on the same page recognizing the importance of this landscape and this is the first time I talked about this in person.
16:38:56 So I'm just gonna give a quick recap of what I've done for Jefferson County, so I was chicken E.
16:39:04 Forestry was hired in 2,019 to look at the forest management.
16:39:08 How we manage landscapes with the overall health of the landscape!
16:39:13 How can we be better steer? And we focus on ecological, social and economic benefits to the forest here so I did an assessment to look at all these lands, and then sorry, in
2020 2021 we took 3 properties.
16:39:33 That had really unique issues that demonstrated 3 different ages into 3 different problems on the landscape, and did some selective sending to address those and some forest
management to see how did this pencil out is this something we want to continue is this something we want to stand on I would not have been
16:39:50 Able to do this without the help of my village. Here Arnold is a forest or kits that county.
16:39:58 He started the Kit that County board steership program which is.
16:40:04 Analogous to what we're doing here, and we're only the third county in the State that I know of that actually manages our port at the county level.
16:40:14 Katherine, Pope, Dr. Katherine Covis? Do you use her phone, Mike Conan is here in the audience, he's a retired forester.
16:40:21 Will send an amazing mentor, and a long time, Dnrs.
16:40:26 That all in French use, not in county, I don't think anymore.
16:40:31 But he was helping with not just weeds and restoration issues and concerns over that with harvesting rascal, one who's in forest practices.
16:40:42 In Washington Dnr. Is now with department of revenue and Hannah is also in your room through his work for Northwest natural Resources group.
16:40:49 And we're a steership council and has personal history, and the what industry so great all around in with sustainability, I'll let them.
16:40:59 Who is the Jefferson County Conservation District Supervisor for 20 plus years.
16:41:03 I think you know the land of the people. Super. Well, amazing Guy, Tammy, who's natural resource and coordinator for Jefferson County, so she's I think one of our only natural
resources staff in County, has been a great partner and no south.
16:41:17 County. Really well, Dennis Prayer. She was the executive director of Northwest Natural Resources Group.
16:41:24 She is you know, carving backwards and for sustainability, Matt Tyler, who's the director and has been a an another partner in helping manage parks and doing, a lot of the projects
that we tend to so everything that i've done has been in massive support of
16:41:43 These people, Mallory and I also in Group and Mark Macaulay is our county administrator, and he's also been supportive of this project since before I was a commissioner.
16:41:57 So, yeah. And Mark, I think, is the first person to talk to me about this, but hired me on, and not the thing to him, and the county for investing in trying to do proactive
for Us.
16:42:09 Management this is still an infancy, and we're learning a lot.
16:42:13 And so I really appreciate the opportunity to talk to all of you and take this program ready.
16:42:17 So we have we developed a policy and statements and I'll be honest.
16:42:22 I basically copied this from Kita County, who did a much longer process than I don't believe in bringing inventing the wheel.
16:42:28 I think that's a really good policies. So the forestry program is here to restore and maintain for its health forgot the region.
16:42:37 Protecting intent, slow water, quality, and efficient wildlife has had we understand that for us or biologically, socially and economically, self-sustaining, and we want to
maintain that to enhance the recreational andesthetic value of course and to provide natural resources through sample
16:42:52 force management to the local community. One of the unique things management issues in Jefferson County is that we have 1,800 acres of land owned by the county spread across
300 parcels so most of those prices are pretty small it's.
16:43:10 A lot more difficult to manage such a and but we are dominated by.
16:43:17 So this is one of the challenges that is unique to East Jefferson, and something that we're still grabbing with and figuring out how we can best serve all of these properties
16:43:28 I do. Wanna I'm not sure if I know online I don't want to put them right.
16:43:34 I have very strong. I wanted to turn over to you a couple of the advisors here to speak.
16:43:45 If Brett is online. Red black. Yeah, and he's gonna be off camera.
16:43:51 But he's got audio
16:43:54 And just to talk about one of the main parts of the Jefferson County program, whereas your program is to have these partnerships.
16:44:05 And so having the expertise and other people's to help me better understand like enforcement, how can we also reduce fire?
16:44:13 How can we work with the Fire Department to be more collaborative and just keep communication open?
16:44:19 So Brett's been excellent in that
16:44:28 Matt Styler is another one from yeah Matt's online.
16:44:36 So I'm meeting them on the panelists side so can hear you.
16:44:45 The panelists are able to okay. Well, if you're not going to give it.
16:44:48 In Wilson and tennis they can raise their hand. There's about 80 people in a tenant, so they wanna call phone and you raise their hand and there's somebody who's on a phone
unless we might want to let them know if they want us if it's like Arnold, for
16:45:04 example, share. They'll need to raise their hand. Okay, yeah.
16:45:21 Yeah, mass: there. Well, while we're waiting, and the point is, I just wanted to have more voices in the room speaking about how this has been a collaboration, and I really
take the group effort one of the things we can do on the Jefferson county level is a much higher touch of management working with these people
16:45:39 Having these conversations, one on one has me things a lot more streamlines and operate a lot more opportunities.
16:45:50 Okay.
16:45:52 Good evening. Commissioners, county manager, Mark Mccullough, and Dnr.
16:45:58 Personnel in the room, and of course, Mallory, setting up this meeting and facilitating collaboration, which I think is the most important scheme out of this whole effort is
to make sure that we're including all of different perspectives, I just wanted to add a couple talking points.
16:46:18 Related to the Cwpp. The Community Wildfire Protection plan, that you know, would be anchoring all of our plan and activities on this topic, currently and in the future I know
we're just starting that process so we're kind of building the plane as we're flying through the air
16:46:37 Okay.
16:46:37 But I think it's. It's pretty exciting to be a part of this effort
16:46:44 Never want to hear that you guys can hear that. Okay? Sorry.
16:46:49 But I was managing a microphone. But thank you, this is happening then next year, right? The planning process for that.
16:46:59 Okay. So and the other community wildfire Protection program plan.
16:47:05 I think, and this is something that a big policy initiative in Jefferson County, which is really excellent to think about how we can, because we live in this dry area.
16:47:19 We have you need forest being in the range of to be more proactive about forest management.
16:47:23 Fire, risk, reaction, and so I will be working closely with him on the the 4.
16:47:30 Is your program going forward? I Arnold is not here.
16:47:34 It seems that he runs the for kick back course steership program.
16:47:37 He started that, and it's what I heavily have based the model here off of it's a great program also based on that social, economic, ecological 3 leg install Matt Tyler there's
a the photo here is picture from the Park after the thing that we had a
16:48:00 Comment that had Nichols did to illustrate.
16:48:03 Why, we're doing this for your program. So we provided more local jobs I've done an internship with it from high school students and did some outreach classes with Wsu we're
trying to do more local wood sales?
16:48:16 But how's happening now on the side of my business, and we're trying to figure out how to do more of that within Jefferson County, so really trying.
16:48:24 So you have high touch. How can we really maximize potential for this forestry program and keep growing in?
16:48:31 Oh, Matt, sorry you'll need to.
16:48:37 He'll need to unmute if you can tell him
16:48:41 Take that.
16:48:39 Yeah, absolutely. First. All, can everyone hear me? Okay, I know there's a lot of people involved
16:48:46 Sounds, good
16:48:47 Okay. Great. I'm Matt, Tyler Parks and recreation manager for the county.
16:48:53 I've been involved with the forestry project since the beginning, as you know, the pilot projects occurred in our parks.
16:49:00 I can't say that it was, in my opinion, extremely successful in promoting park values and I think I want to think I wanted to point out is that Parks are a way of making forests
accessible to people so people are welcome in our in our forest we make take great pains to make
16:49:21 Sure people feel safe and comfortable that they have good access, parking, good, safe trails, and our monitored and marked and provided with maps, and so forth.
16:49:34 So it's a great partnership to have safe and to have these kinds of improved forests and sustainable forest practices in our parks, essentially the silent alder addition to
transfer dnr property to gibbs late to a increase gives lake by over 300
16:49:53 acres was especially important, and then following that, the sustainable forest practices that occurred in the silent auto out alder parcel really were very successful in expanding
and meeting the need for accessible forests for people to access parks use has been increasing especially at a place
16:50:16 like Gibbs Lake there's a great need for places like that, and we estimate in the last 10 years that use of Gibbs Lake has increased threefold, and the last point I wanted to
make is that parks are proved end by study after study and especially forests, healthy
16:50:36 forests are proven to increase and benefit human health and well being. And I think that's especially important to keep in mind in in these times of stress and difficulties
and health challenges that providing these healthy forests for people to visit have great benefits to the humans in our community as well.
16:50:59 Thanks man.
16:51:05 So I will talk about the actual prescriptions that I did, and voice management.
16:51:10 This is the silver prescription that I use which is variable downstateening. So we were renewing about 30% of the volume from the forest from over stocks forests that has too
much wood where the too many trees where the trees are starting to suffer not enough resources
16:51:32 And so you can see prior to treatments. It's pretty overstopped, and then post-treatment hair gaps. It's more of a mosaic.
16:51:42 We really wanted to like all of this kind of silver cultural practices, to mimic natural forest disturbance patterns so trying to increase biological diversity, increase structural
diversity that slide that capture showed on more diverse biologically diverse forests it aligns with like the forest
16:52:01 Management, the ecological management that we're trying to do in an additional way here at accounting level, and you can see what it looks like when some of those trees are
stressed in this image these inner ring are are wider but as you get to the outer ring they have a lot smaller that's when the trees are
16:52:21 Stressed they're very typical pattern, like you will see in a lot of areas around here, and after aging settings you can actually see those rings expand most of the time. Again.
16:52:31 This is one of the hardest. We did a trailhead county, park and port towns, and 48 group.
16:52:37 Off of Kick, George Road. So this is the deep born, after pretty, massive by your danger in here.
16:52:45 This is a very young forest that was naturally your agenda really overstopped, and so we did a pre-commercial thing in here.
16:52:54 This is Chimneckon Park, where this is the oldest forest that we've been so this is before and after the canopy, so you can see it's still very much forested in there we're
just opening things up a bit and this is there.
16:53:09 Were large teams that we took out of this one because they were to be, and tree and you can see the top of an outhouse probably not super his watch to school.
16:53:28 So kinda so trying to make that space safer.
16:53:32 And so we will quite a bit of what that there, and it's actually going to be a showcase as one of the
16:53:41 And in the Portland airport they wanted to buy all this local wood and so coming in 2,024, you will see something about, and then this is gives like the other property that
we did this is that middle ages.
16:54:01 About 35 to 40 years old. This is a I can't remember there's a reading advance from Dnr Trieseland cancer so this is a gift like I think this was about 100 acres.
16:54:13 That we did, and this was, I think, about 6 months after the harvest, and you can see the conference.
16:54:20 You're already growing back. It's still healthy for us, and you can see different species saved them.
16:54:25 So that's that's what we've done.
16:54:27 Here's a quick breakdown of the volumes from those right the other one that I didn't show is the but what you can see is 3 of those apartments.
16:54:42 Need money. One of them, the trail, had one cost us a lot of money, so what I really tried to do is, oh, a big part of this was to figure out what economically.
16:54:52 For example, how can this program be so with the program that pays for it itself. Basically
16:55:02 So the work for 22 is to further this.
16:55:09 We get a borisman analysis and looking at the management for future Jefferson County plans.
16:55:18 Now that we have some financial data, we have some case studies to work off the coming up with a 5 and 10 year kind of program of how do we balance this out financially ecologically
what are the moves that we should be making to ensure that these county loans are cared for I
16:55:33 Also want to start looking at our relationship with you in our lands, which was prompted much more this year through a couple of things that we'll go into but one of the tools
that it is reconveyance and they've brought back they've they've got this great working relationship.
16:55:52 With dinner to bring back county lands or Dnr lens that weren't necessarily the most effective use of Dnr anymore.
16:55:59 Back into county into parks. So that's been something that I've been interested in.
16:56:03 Figure out. Is this the right fit? And we're exploring actually
16:56:11 This is another. So this is from that book that just came out last year on ecological silver culture.
16:56:19 So this is we're planning to use more harvest in the next couple of years, and I want to.
16:56:24 I showed you that variable in the beginning. I'd like to refine that further and create more mosaics.
16:56:30 And this is this is an overhead view of how you can do that rather than just an overall movie areas with higher and lower concentrations to really diversify and keep that mosaic
happening even more so I'd like to start implementing a bit more of that
16:56:51 Here, and so the Dnr. Part of all of this.
16:56:58 And you guys should chime in on this path. But but what happened this summer was in our was Dr.
16:57:08 Management plan for us and there was a sales proposed at Beaver Valley and Penny wide that it people became aware of.
16:57:17 There's a organization called Center for responsible responsible for is 3 Steven crop.
16:57:23 Identified that there were legacy for us in there, so legacy for us is a term that he came up with, for your forests that are over 100 years old.
16:57:31 There's not a lot of you left in the county, and so they were air marks, and there was a click reactions to figure out.
16:57:40 How can we protect these for us? Do we want to stop these service?
16:57:44 And it was, you know, not ideal to be reacting and finding that out so late, so Penny Wise is going forward.
16:57:51 Beaver Valley stops, and we one in the of the one meeting, and I don't know. Do you want to say anything else more about that?
16:58:03 I would just say that we learned about these timber sales from community kind of reaching out to us, and and I just said we need to slow things down here, we need time to have
a conversation and find out what the implications are we sent some letters to dnr about the idea of collaborative
16:58:20 Management. Of some stands and forest, and in the process of doing that I don't know if 2 wants to talk at all about that evolution.
16:58:29 They pulled one unit from the Beaver Valley Sale.
16:58:33 They had old forests in it, and then the rest of the sales going forward, and then the same with any wise that that that sales going forward as well.
16:58:42 Do you want to add anything? Drew cool? Thank you.
16:58:48 So yeah, that happens, and it kind of pivoted what we were looking at to figure out what's happening on Znr.
16:58:55 Land. Probably can we be better partners, and with the Nr.
16:58:59 So we're not being reacted. But we're being more proactive and looking at.
16:59:04 Are there place that we want to prioritize? What is it better ways to manage the plan collaboratively with Danner?
16:59:13 And so we've been going through. Katherine and I have been spending a lot of time on the and just going through personal personal thinking about what what's going on here?
16:59:25 Talking to the Nr. More about how we can work better together and talking about to our lovely Commissioner Heidi about so we'll talk about.
16:59:47 So I'm and we'll talk about the current program that has also that's another thing.
16:59:53 That's kind of that we do didn't by.
16:59:57 So we were looking at management strategies on each of these Cnr parcels and Jefferson County parcels to kind of figure out just to my goal is to give the county commissioners
information so that they can make the most informed decisions on what the implications of each management action
17:00:16 Is, so we were looking at carbon. We were looking at no action on the DNA land, that Dr.
17:00:22 With key, they would proceed with their sales, and we would not interfere, and
17:00:30 Oh, thank you.
17:00:35 Oh, thank you.
17:00:42 Okay, and then if what? So? What bringing that back into county land?
17:00:51 And then they do. They transition it mostly as park. So they've done selected Benny and forest Restaurant on these properties. So what would it look like?
17:00:58 If we did, that the types of Dnr lens or treadmill tr or options, or traveling transfer reconvenience, the carbon project, and then looking at Co.
17:01:07 -managements and it's all an exploratory process.
17:01:13 And this is just an information session. So hey, George, the parcel that we're talking about for this little case study is mainly this: one and 245 acres.
17:01:30 I think over in Kate Jordan, for Johnson, and it's any property because it's in the drives.
17:01:38 Part of the county, and it has it's been some attention in the laptop of years, because you might have heard something called the plumber last wilderness.
17:01:48 There's a variable sign of trees in there that has been identified and protected, and then you can see also this gray area.
17:01:55 It is now under the proposed Dnr Carving project.
17:02:00 That portion of it is so. Those are a couple of things that are going on with this otherwise
17:02:16 It goes. Yeah goes around it
17:02:18 Do you wanna see? Done that good? Okay?
17:02:36 So all of this stuff, and I'll show bigger pictures, but all of this is younger for us that's currently being managed on the other person.
17:02:42 I want to point out obviously circle. But at the North Korea Miller, why we're looking at these 2 as an off good options to transfer back to County and it's the furthest out
there this is since we're on the range Shadow this is dry land
17:02:58 not the best ground for growing timber, and because of all the people around there there's a lot more recreational value there's a lot more ecological value that we can put
focus on an area and it's just harder to operate so these aren't really, the best camber properties and harder to operate
17:03:15 in in in the first place, so they make more sense for the binary touch.
17:03:20 Community course.
17:03:25 What way? Not taking comments right now.
17:03:34 So I will, I will happily answer questions during the comment great at the other parcel. I want to point out if Anderson Link, it's not a larger one that we're thinking about.
17:03:48 We're exploring. It is something that would be better coming back to the county.
17:03:52 This is just south of Anderson Lake State Park the Olympic Discovery Trail is supposed to be going through there, so there are recreational benefits.
17:04:03 It's another one that's further north, not in as good of operational area, pretty in our and potentially better for our community.
17:04:12 So here's a better picture of the so I don't know what's the road.
17:04:19 So the the remember last wilderness is this yeah, section of rubber looking for us just south of King George Road?
17:04:28 Yup, and then that stands, and you can kind of see it delaying it a little bit about 35 years old, and I think this one was 2010, yeah, so about 10 and 15 years old, so really
young, forest out.
17:04:43 There currently in management, and then we've got this holder for us, really beautiful and quite a bit of passive recreation across the whole parcel.
17:04:55 Yeah, and you can see on the top how many houses are right up against this in the dryest part of county. So this is one that I would say is going to have hired virus and one
that we definitely want to be extra careful with managing this is a closer detail on carbon
17:05:15 And so I outlined the ages of stands, and Dana.
17:05:28 Thank you. For
17:05:32 Can you hear me? Okay.
17:05:33 Yeah.
17:05:35 Yeah, I know that, Mallory, you and Commissioner Eisenhower myself.
17:05:40 We've we've talked, you know, privately about the importance of what the Cw.
17:05:45 PP means and I thought, this is a great example of that prescription.
17:05:51 Once it's built would basically have a shel ready project for this type of environment where we have a community directly at risk of wildfire and you're putting together a project
with the right mindset of trying to reduce that threat for the adjacent structures and I just wanted to point that out for
17:06:12 The public. They're not aware the rule of the Cdp.
17:06:18 This is probably a really good case study of how we would apply it if we had it in place.
17:06:24 Now and then. I also just wanted to point out again Mallory and commissionerize them.
17:06:28 You know any time that we're talking about, you know, bringing lands back into the county we need to be mindful about our ability as a fire department to fight fire in areas
that are now going to be under our responsibility area and our equipment is hopefully updated and I just wanted to point
17:06:50 That out. So thank you.
17:06:52 Thank you, Brett. Yes, little very important. I think what I've learned through this process of that both our department and the Parks department because of this advance do
come back and parks having that puts a further strain on parks, department as well so one of the things that brett and
17:07:09 I talked about on this and we, if we went into thinning in here, then we would work directly with Brett to make sure that the the access rows were also road that aligned with
his efforts on the fire department for ease of access in case of fire did start in there and just those little
17:07:27 things, those little conversations that we have on the ground, and don't cost any extra money.
17:07:31 But in these smaller parcels, on a global level we can do that a lot more effectively and I would just add that we did that a little bit with like he can't drill.
17:07:43 In park, you were able to go back in, and I went out there with a sentin to shake Tracer, who, I think, is on the phone with us tonight, and also with cheap black at 1 point
and just said what what would you guys need to get in here and some of the neighbors took it upon
17:07:56 Themselves to actually wideen the access rose to, so that the fire department can get their equipment and then fight fire there.
17:08:04 They need to cause their residential home surrounding that very very popular access point for the Larry Scott Trail, which is a beloved recreational resource in our community.
17:08:19 Thank you. So these are the different standards. And then Dnr: when when this was this property was brought to you, Gnar's attention, Well, I think they did an all group assessment
on on this and so this is the stratification of the 3 ages.
17:08:39 From tree chorus so this is. This is just a sample, but you can see there are some from dating back to 1710.
17:08:45 There are a lot in the 18, forties, 1851 60, so really pretty cool for us that you can find right.
17:08:54 So this is a quick scenario just to show the 3 different option management options potential.
17:09:01 So, if with if there's no action and Dnr keeps this DNA: where is Yeah, Yeah, centers 27, which we produce about 5,004 feet per acre which I will say is because I also put the
same.
17:09:20 Information in it. 5,004 feet break, or for about the same time.
17:09:26 If it went back to Jefferson County if it was with the carbon sale.
17:09:30 There's 50 acres plans, and then I would also if it came back into your Jefferson County, is selected harvesting.
17:09:39 I also start with the pre commercial thing. Pcc. Is pre commercial planning.
17:09:44 It's a early prescription that you don't understand, so you reduce fire and improve, bigger, and then for itself, and and some of those like 22 stamps the cost would be this
is my yes, you know, well, mind if I have other things.
17:10:05 To say about this, but I I see him narrowing his eyes
17:10:11 And this is and I I did these populations off of the harvest numbers and results that we did from from the case studies so pre commercial, sending at $500 per acre for 58 and
then I think I said this is getting into the leaves and honestly my brain is
17:10:32 Not like ready for dealing. With what number but 175,000 board fees?
17:10:38 At a $113,000, total or we saw a lot for a quarter 40,000.
17:10:50 So estimated revenue. So basically the outcome of this would be net game of about $5,000 in on there, a lot of assumptions being made.
17:11:00 But thanks off of the data that we have on this and who knows what timber prices are going to be doing?
17:11:07 And I don't have exact stand data on this.
17:11:10 But it's just getting a rough idea basically I'm trying to say that this would pencil out probably some cancel a harvest I am harvest with cancel out doing a free commercial
pinning which is a forest health improvement activity but on top of that we're also
17:11:24 Doing, diversified force management. We're creating trails for using virus and working with community partners and improving these forests for future health and future harvest.
17:11:39 So we'll be doing more analysis on each of these in our parcels. And then having a plan for Jefferson County, and that report will be finished in January 23 and I think that's.
17:11:54 The end of my portion. Here. I'm gonna turn it over to Peter veils.
17:11:57 Who is then working on that? So this is the map of and see in ours.
17:12:09 Phase, 2 carbon project that was just released. I I mean can't talk about it, but, I I'm not sure exactly what to say there's not a whole lot to say and so so new, and so unique.
17:12:26 And young, and in the process. And then this is as far as I'm the you know, the parcels that are up there as far as I've gotten, and as far as the department scouts so this
is they were projecting lease contracts out within here I don't I don't
17:12:47 Have any clue whether or not this is so new and so unique, and it's going to be a a pretty long drawn out process
17:13:00 Yeah, so this is what we just got this information once, 4 weeks ago, pretty recently.
17:13:06 So that's a you're on a little bit of a wrench.
17:13:09 It's not a problem it's just this was not something that we've had a ton of time to think about.
17:13:14 It's very new, and we're still trying to do it.
17:13:17 What all this means in the context of our our relationship with the Nr.
17:13:23 And how we move forward, and there's a big pause on this at the moment.
17:13:28 So this here.
17:13:35 Can you hear me? Great? Okay.
17:13:36 Yeah, there we go and screen sharing. If you want to tell me when to move slides
17:13:42 Okay, yeah, I'm Peter Bails, Director of Northwest Watershed Institute, and not really prepared to talk about Dnrs pilot carbon program, Chenka from Dnr gave an hour Or So workshop
a couple of weeks ago, and I kind of
17:14:04 Want just to focus on a few things for this is kind of the tip of the iceberg, or maybe just the movie trailer version on 2 issues, which is how day.
17:14:15 Bob Bay fits into this and also how the carbon program, the economics of the of Dnr's carbon program.
17:14:23 And
17:14:23 So here's day Bob Day, and this is one of the least developed base in in Puget Sound.
17:14:31 Really it's been a high priority for conservation for over 50 years, and there's a state natural area now around the bay, about 7,000 acres and northwest watershed is student
about gosh 40 other groups in Jefferson county and all sorts of
17:14:52 Organizations have been working on this for many years, and about 7 years ago Dnr.
17:14:59 Discovered a globally rare type of forest on the Tolando's peninsula.
17:15:04 And under their voluntary sfi certification program that sustainable Forestry Institute is kind of like a certification program for for good forestry practices they're obligated
to protect these globally imperiled forest plant associations.
17:15:25 And this toandos area has the largest roadododendron forest of its type left in the world.
17:15:32 So it's really kind of a really amazing area in 2,020 coalition of shellfish growers, tribes, and state and local conservation organizations ask dnr to expand the natural area
again to include this globally rare forest associations and it's been kind
17:15:54 Of sitting there since then and then Dnr.
17:15:59 Just proposed this carbon pilot project, and if you should go to the next slide
17:16:08 Here you can kind of see a complicated map, but on the left is some of our elected out on a tour of one of these re older forests along Day Bob Bay.
17:16:22 On the right is the map that shows the existing day.
17:16:25 Bob very natural area, boundary and green, a great outline.
17:16:30 And you can see these bright green areas. These are the proposed carbon parcels, and the dark green is protected.
17:16:42 Lands. Dnr has either purchased those from Willie landowners, or they've been converted from trust land to natural area.
17:16:51 Through this process called Trust land transfer that compensates the the taxing districts.
17:16:57 The bright red areas are legacy for us, mapped by center first module forestry and the black hatchy polygons that you see scattered around are the globally imperiled forests
that dnr identified in this area so the pink lines that you see are the
17:17:18 Proposed boundary expansion that would protect all of the this globally imperiled for us that Dnr really can't log, anyway, and with a proposed boundary expansion it provides
an avenue to not only permanently protect those areas but compensate the junior taxing
17:17:34 Desks through either a trust land transfer process, or possibly through this carbon program.
17:17:44 It's good to see that in in day Bob, the carbon includes most of the proposed expansion.
17:17:55 So you can see up the north end the bright green up there.
17:17:59 There's one little brown area that would stay in trust status I guess it's young forest you do plantation or something.
17:18:08 And then the middle area in the middle of the map, or the pink line is that's another area where all the Dnr land in there is proposed for the carbon program, and then the south
and most of the land.
17:18:21 Most of the of the trust land is proposed for the carbon project, so I just want point that out.
17:18:29 You can see. On the left another one Walker, mount Mount Walker area.
17:18:34 There is a big carbon, proposed carbon project, and they're scattered throughout the county.
17:18:42 About 14% of East Jefferson County State Trust lands, and about one or 2% of the trust lands in Jeffrey County as a whole.
17:18:50 So next slide
17:18:55 I'm not gonna talk about this one. This is a spreadsheet.
17:18:59 I saved the Jefferson County commissioners a couple of weeks ago.
17:19:01 It's way too decent. But if you go to the next slide, it's a summary.
17:19:05 This the nutshell version of this
17:19:10 So there's a lot of numbers floating around about.
17:19:17 Yeah.
17:19:15 Hey! There! Can I just add something we've been trying to get some financial analysis from Dnr.
17:19:21 On the carbon project, since so much in Jefferson County was almost 4,000 acres of the 10,000 acres that are being proposed for the carbon project.
17:19:31 Run, Jefferson County, and no knowing that Peter is very detailed oriented.
17:19:38 I asked him if he could work what she got to come up with some kind of an essential of what the quantity of funding that would come back to the county as a result of the carbon
present was so Peter I just wanna thank you for doing this we're kind of putting you in the hot seed
17:19:53 Here, but it's our first look at even estimating what kind of return we might get on the carbon program, and I'm super grateful for Peter for doing this so just want to say
that
17:20:03 Yeah. Thanks. And and once again this is like that the very shorthand version.
17:20:08 And really this could deserve its own Commissioner's workshop to really delve into this.
17:20:14 But basically when I first was skeptical that they're there was talk about tens on the dollar for the carbon program things like that but it actually turns out the way Chinka
said to do that she said the way to estimate how much money Jefferson County would get out of
17:20:32 This is to consider that the carbon project as a whole is 10,000 acres, and they've done Dnr.
17:20:43 Has done enough analysis to know that in the first 10 years they're gonna make they're gonna have 917,000 carbon credits, and off of for in the first 10 years off of that 10,000
acres and that money is going to be destroyed proportion to the acreage
17:21:00 In each county. It's not like they look at our specific parcels and say, Oh, you've got some really nice old growth here.
17:21:06 We're going to give you more money, whatever it's proportional, based on the acreage.
17:21:10 So if we have about 40% of the total, we would get about 40% of the total pay.
17:21:18 The total total payment in that 10 years, so you can, you can put whatever assumptions you want in there for carbon credit.
17:21:26 We just talked to carbon broker in Portland Day before yesterday, and carbon is going for 12 to 18 a credit right now, and this program would be super high quality and and popular
so to probably be a big demand from corporations to buy so I'm just assuming I've
17:21:48 Done, estimates at 10 and 20 for here I'm doing the 20 so.
17:21:55 18 million in the first 10 years Jefferson County share would be, you know, 40% of that 7 million so it's a 40 year lease, and at the end of 40 years the least goes away and
you can put the land in a permanent protection you?
17:22:10 Can go ahead and log it same as you would have. Anyway, you can do trust line, transfer whatever. But just a 40 year.
17:22:16 Lease, and so Dnr. Is kind of assuming there'll be an escalation in the contract.
17:22:24 2 bucks every 10 years, or maybe not 2 bucks, maybe more, maybe less.
17:22:28 But I've just assuming 2 bucks. So if you run that over 40 years Jefferson County share would be 33 million if if carbon is 20 bucks a ton that is equivalent to 82% of the original
the standing timber value right now
17:22:48 And if you consider that Dnr really is not not planning to log these globally imperiled forest types that they're obligated to protect.
17:23:01 So you take those out of the standing timber but it still can be used for carbon.
17:23:07 It just can't be log. It comes out to about 101% of the original standing timber value right now.
17:23:19 That that would be paid and regular in increments over the 40 years every year.
17:23:24 Keep in mind at the end of the at the end of the 40 years the timber is still there, and most of it has probably doubled in volume, especially stands.
17:23:34 They're like 20 years old, or or something so, and it's available for harvest.
17:23:39 It's available for conservation, whatever. So in a sense this is paying Jefferson County to do longer rotations on its timberland.
17:23:51 It's kind of like putting your money into an Ira, but also getting paid every year just to keep it in the ira.
17:23:57 In addition to the interest of the trees growing every year. So the more I think about this it seems like an amazing deal.
17:24:06 It'll probably get shot down with a legislature right now, Kevin Vandaway, I is trying to kill this program and with the Legislature legislature, and so I don't know what's
going to happen with it but it's a pretty cool program
17:24:21 And it might be something to really think hard about for revenue for Jefferson County, as well as getting us into longer rotations and protecting areas like Dave Bob. Bang
17:24:33 Thanks
17:24:33 So that's all I have to say. Thank you.
17:24:38 Doing? Yeah? Look look at that 5 25.
17:24:45 Does anyone need distraction? Should we just keep rolling
17:24:50 So are you ready for comments so the what I what I need to do is get a sense from folks in the room, and folks.
17:25:02 Online? How many people wanna comment. And then I'll assess how many minutes each person is gonna get so if you're on line, can they hear me?
17:25:17 If you're online and you want to make a public comment, please use the right hand.
17:25:22 But at the bottom of your zoom screen, and we're right now.
17:25:25 We're just getting a sense of people online who want to comment.
17:25:28 And then we'll do the same thing in the room here.
17:25:30 So you're online. And you know you wanna make a public comment.
17:25:34 We use zoom for 10 button at the bottom of zoom screen.
17:25:38 That's nice to manually he's an analyst.
17:25:45 Okay. So I'm saying Yeah, 10 to 10 okay.
17:25:55 So how about in the room? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, about 10 and 10.
17:26:04 We're a 12. Now. Okay. So say we get up to 30.
17:26:11 I have an hour. I'm gonna give people a 2Â min.
17:26:15 I'm gonna be bold and try the 2Â min.
17:26:18 Yeah. Yeah. So to the folks on like we're gonna start with people in the room for public comment.
17:26:31 And then we'll come to that the zoom room, but just because there's a panelist put their hand up.
17:26:39 Let's start. Wait. Who is that yes, if you fundamentally agree with something, that, someone said, you don't have to use your whole 2Â min.
17:26:52 But say, you know I also support protecting the printer, blockchainness, you can say, that and much less than 2Â min.
17:26:57 Yeah, I know that your commissioners evolve it out to Thevember last wilderness recently and they can always email their public conference right.
17:27:06 So do you? Do you want to start us off with public comment
17:27:19 We see there your hand is up, and it looks like you're unmuted.
17:27:30 Okay.
17:27:35 So he's got a fuller voice on sounds like. Did you put a funny filter on your voice
17:27:43 Where are you
17:27:45 You can try following it, you can go on. Do you have a phone number? Yeah?
17:27:56 Okay. So you can try calling in team family, 2, 5, 3, 2, 1, 5, 2, 1, 5, 8, 7, 8, 2, 8, 7, 8, 2, I need the meeting.
17:28:03 I do with that in the chat okay, Kelly will put the call in number and the meeting id.
17:28:11 And then chat cause you're audio is compromise.
17:28:16 Okay. Let's start in the room. Who would like to make a comment.
17:28:22 You're hanging up first, sir, thank you. Well, I'm gonna pass the mic around so the recording how project basically affects our local area here.
17:28:38 I know there is the
17:29:02 And go answer questions at the end, right yeah. Will answer all the questions at the end of public.
17:29:17 Okay. Thank you: what? Well, I'm just gonna let people pass the microphone.
17:29:26 Looking at the economics of your carbon program. I wonder if you take it into consideration.
17:29:34 The economic impact to industry. Yes, you have, you know.
17:29:42 Grease tipper mass at the end of that. But in the meantime what happened with the industry that you started out with 40 years?
17:29:49 Did they? Did you use assault? No. What was the impact to your account when that happened?
17:29:57 In Jefferson County, so that has to be getting into consideration.
17:30:02 I heard the word collaborate a lot today. I've been involved in forestry collaboration before they typically include industry stakeholders. And I didn't hear about any of that
today, and I'm wondering if you add industry stakeholders in this process and if not so I have
17:30:25 So just for the record, so I'm one of those stakeholders.
17:30:35 Few things that I wanted to bring up that were in your presentation.
17:30:39 There. I didn't see anything on the economic side of that, or it says anything about future harvest lost.
17:30:45 This is 40 years, mostly stands in the carbon project are: understand that we'll never be touched again.
17:30:53 So you're not only using one harmless. You're using every harvest.
17:30:57 So the economics, and that needs to be taken place in this as well.
17:31:02 And like you said, we need every acre operable for us, because we already are importing wood from other countries.
17:31:11 Other States, and we really need the water here
17:31:32 I've been trying to drill down on this and the figure that I've been hearing for a long time.
17:31:32 Jim revenues that we badly need you know our fewer taxi district schools and fire districts, for instance, library districts as well we don't.
17:31:42 Want to see about 10% of that from there that was not accurate.
17:31:49 I participated a couple of weeks ago in the beneficial meeting with VR.
17:31:54 Where this Isinka. I'm sorry I would have I asked you that specific question and her fast while she acknowledged their were many many variables that couldn't even tell.
17:32:05 Yet is that we would be seeing 20% on the dollar.
17:32:09 So when I hear tonight 18% 101 that is so different than what Beingr is saying that it just makes me wonder you know what's reliable here, and I think that everybody would probably
agree that we all need to are sharing to impact for the warning and putting land into
17:32:30 Preservation or or not. 100 and 40 years is a way to do that.
17:32:34 That's great, but it's not fair to ask, many of which are the worst balance in the community to bear 80% of the cost of that.
17:32:45 So we really need to drill down that as well as what happens when it comes out of the program, because I think I could be impression that once things of age in their 4 years
there's gonna be a lot of pressure not to come in and
17:33:05 Thank you. Marsha, who who in the room would like to speak next I've got a hand up here.
17:33:11 I can come, get them
17:33:25 That's an extra neighbor they tried to cut it all, and so that's written a long time ago.
17:33:30 So I want to really thank you for what you're doing to try to save our for us, because I think for me it's absolutely everything about living here, because it is my culture,
this my hero too, and the other thing i'd like to say to malaria.
17:33:45 Is a couple of things. I encourage you to link the parcel when possible.
17:33:50 Species per, and also the older dentries are very important that really caught my attention, because the first ecological slide was about with peckers, etc.
17:34:02 And different midges, and it's really important to off look at full trees as only a problem.
17:34:10 And the other thing is, How are you monitoring the treatment?
17:34:12 I think that's the biggest thing. Yeah, when you do these treatment.
17:34:19 And I want to thank you, hiding as well for I know hard work, and everybody else is like to me.
17:34:23 This is really exciting, and I'd like to know if you could email the room possibly a little bit more about the carving credits is that to me is is where we should all be at
this point.
17:34:33 Thank you so much
17:34:38 I just want to thank you all for considering you know different alternatives.
17:34:42 I am a phone phone owner like getting home owners and portion room.
17:34:47 I live in land set right next to manage Lance firmly.
17:34:55 And so, you know, we're all very concerned, we're thinking, hey, what's gonna happen?
17:35:02 So please keep us informed. Thank you.
17:35:08 Okay.
17:35:15 I'm gonna go with a slightly different approach.
17:35:17 My name's Donald. So volunteer, and to me this issue boils down to 2 very focal points.
17:35:28 Gonna start with point. One people. There's anything people in this world and grow there's 350 million people on this nation and it's Roman.
17:35:39 There's 9 main people in state 36,000 people in Jefferson County, and I'll be it in slow growth.
17:35:50 It's still grown. Okay. So the fire department or people oriented organizations.
17:35:57 We provide services to people emergency services, and when we have the opportunity to use timber revenues to offset the cost, we will and we have Jefferson County has lived
off $10 since it's beencepted in the 19 fifties so that leads me to the other point this our
17:36:30 Subject. Our other point is money.
17:36:34 One: if we don't get timber, revenue, we're asking you for more past money, a lot more tax money to actually operate a fire department.
17:36:49 I pulled zoom. That is a business practices level. It's gonna cost 6 million dollars a year
17:36:56 Okay, right now we operate at bare bones. We have 3 a department.
17:37:04 Online and we have one paid fire, chief and a paid administrative assistant.
17:37:12 Best business practices for us would be 12 people on the line.
17:37:16 Jupiter, is that your 2Â min warning?
17:37:21 Okay. Okay. So I'm trying to to to keep this short and end to the point.
17:37:26 The the basis of it is, if you take these and I, I don't care one way or the other, as far as what you do with it.
17:37:35 With the junior Tax Junior taxing, agencies.
17:37:38 Of the forties need to be made whole, as that is true.
17:37:53 Taking part in some of helping this whole process along over the last few years.
17:37:59 I just wanted to hide. I I think it's important that we rain this discussion as an exercise and community economic development.
17:38:08 We are just starting the process of doing their Eastern Jefferson County Forestry, what we've already done for agriculture over the last couple of decades, and that is to create
a diverse small scale valuad industry to complement the larger steel industries we already have done that very
17:38:27 Well and bag, and when we do that, that adds to economic diversity which d risks our dependence on just an industrial model, that economic diversity is the key to both economic
resilience and continued economic growth just like diversity works in a forest it works in our
17:38:48 Economy, I'm a firm believer that if any of this transferring takes place there needs to continue to be a some capacity of of a working lands approach to these lands, because
what we're really doing here is evolving our relationship with the landscape and straight up preservation
17:39:06 Disables that evolution. If they're folded into a community forestry model that creates a resource base for local entrepreneurs to dependently build opportunities around some
of that is already started, mallory is done a great job kind of catalyzing that
17:39:26 And plus all that any excess, industrial well, any excess volume that does not flow into those higher value, sort of low efficiency, high value.
17:39:39 Marcus flows back into the to the industrial markets.
17:39:42 Anyway. So with that approach I think we can combine the economic benefits.
17:39:48 Of recreation with the economic benefits of production, and come out much farther ahead with more benefits for more seriously.
17:40:01 Maybe anyone else. Hi again just said, Thank you so much for your work, and for keeping the carbon sequestration.
17:40:13 That's Brandon Center. I'm also a co-author we have a few cool, but report of portion tree being test gas and mentoring from China, and then it shows that the impacts of the
Co.
17:40:30 2 sequestration from our forest is quite significant, and really the biggest.
17:40:36 Impact we can have accounting in terms of greenhouse gas emissions and our our role will change instead.
17:40:42 Look seriously at how we mentioned
17:40:50 , Hi! My name's Bill
17:40:59 Carbon trees are very common. Sync. Also we have to remember the built environment as a carbon so fantastic see some numbers from Dr as far as the dollars that they think because
we've been trying to get those from them and they haven't come up with. Them yet.
17:41:22 Some of the things we're remember the dollars, even at the $20 per time they get with Shaman, apparently from out to mention is why not Carbon, who's a partner is going to take
a 1020%, share in our will still get 30% proximity 25 to 31%
17:41:55 It's probably one to 20% or September timber value.
17:42:01 That that they're talking about is just the
17:42:07 And much more harvesting contractors are hired, road building contractors, truck drivers, the bill operations.
17:42:16 All that is another you know I always like to think stockbage is a third of the economic activity harvesting in the woods is a third and then it goes and sold in wood products
again.
17:42:27 Where I want to generation. So there's a lot that goes on with the economic generation beyond.
17:42:32 Just some of us.
17:42:39 Bill Herman, I study hold on carbon sequestration, and such, and you're correct trees are great carbon sync.
17:42:52 But it's the there's an equation. And the equation is the tree takes in 1.4 £7. Co.
17:43:01 2 and produces one, and it's £1 of oxygen
17:43:07 If you go back and study volumes of old trees.
17:43:20 Second growth trees up to 75 80 years old, about between 801,000.
17:43:30 So with that being said, every pound of wood.
17:43:34 It is produced in a board, and the young vigorously growing for us.
17:43:41 More times, faster, then
17:43:45 With that being part of this 6 registration issue.
17:43:51 That means that we are sequestering 4 times more board.
17:43:58 Then, if we just like the trees, so we can't forget that part of it. It's a it's a real part of that issue, and for every boundary with it is produced
17:44:13 You really look at it, at our park, so you just stay they sit there and recycle themselves, and and that's when that tree dies.
17:44:31 Now we that equation 3 versus will absorb the bond of oxygen to become
17:44:43 Well, time, if well, thanks, Commissioner, C. Tigla, American Course Resource Council.
17:44:51 I appreciate comments. Bill and others have made thanks for convening this group for everyone here.
17:44:56 I hope you really will consider and read the recommendations of the international scientific community when it comes to forests and climate change, and the reality is our our
population and our demand for natural resources will be double between now and 26 okay, people are wanting to live in houses as opposed to not having houses
17:45:17 And the question is, What are we gonna build those structures out of?
17:45:22 Will we build it out of carbon dioxide, wood products, or we build it out of concrete steel, which takes far more energy and carbon to produce.
17:45:29 That is exactly why the international scientific consensus recommends managing for us in a sustainable way to produce wood products to meet our needs for these building materials
for energy and to hopefully replace a non renewable resource which is oil and gas that is the primary contributor to most of those
17:45:50 other build materials. So I love Jefferson County. I love coming up here.
17:45:55 You guys love a local wood food campaign, you know, grow local food, local restaurants.
17:46:02 I really encourage you to think about how do we produce local wood here to meet our need here?
17:46:09 And not only this community, our state, and our our our nation, we import 30% of our number to this country, which is crazy when you think about it with the forest tax that
we have.
17:46:19 So thank you for the opportunity to be there. Anyone else in the room. Thank you.
17:46:24 Good. Thank you for facilitating logistics. Collaboratively in the room.
17:46:30 I appreciate that
17:46:40 The 2 Chicken Port Street and the Advisory group.
17:46:43 Thank you so much for this incredibly exciting start. It just was great promise. I have to agree with chief one of the people who spoke about the importance of collaboration
we do work. On the Olympic first collaborative with thanks calling Mac
17:47:13 The question to ask of Dnr that we've asked and haven't been considered as a conservation thing over.
17:47:19 Also not at the table. What is the standing inventory by taxing district of the plantation stands the working stands that we have in Jefferson count we're being crushed into
a box Canada and a legacy course or nothing cut these old forests or Virginia taxing districts
17:47:42 lose. That's a 0 sum game. That's not actually true.
17:47:47 So I would recommend if it's not by January, it seems like a lot to do the second phase of actually adding for inventory data.
17:47:57 We want to hold the attention service and hardness I have to be helpful.
17:48:02 We have working forests for volume for the needs for housing, for other wood product needs.
17:48:12 We have enough to conserve some of these very questions. Overgrown forests.
17:48:17 Thank you. Thanks Patricia. Anyone else in the room. We have a bunch of people online with their hands up.
17:48:25 So I'll be
17:48:34 Good schedule out on Cape toward hearing them.
17:48:39 And I have to say anywhere around. You will not find that quality
17:48:51 And just the sense of being in that space is, it's wonderful.
17:49:00 And you know the temporary
17:49:09 All. But I want people to also think about what
17:49:18 Some of these forces and need to all in this vicinity, and as well as people in the country, this area, and I would like to propose that if we do save these places especially
you know the ones that you had indicated to make a little bit more accessible very few
17:49:45 people actually make it out there, and there's no work.
17:49:49 Park. There's no signage, you know. I mean I'm not saying we should.
17:49:54 You know. Hold on the place, but please make it
17:49:58 Available to everybody that happens make it. I don't.
17:50:04 I just gotta say
17:50:08 Or my children for my grandchildren, a lot of timber around.
17:50:15 And I want you guys and the families that work in timber, too, to continue to make a living from it.
17:50:24 But please look in other spots and thank you.
17:50:38 Okay. So I think I'm going to turn to the folks in the zoom room.
17:50:43 Now there's one person on the call. You want to be that person first, and then we'll start running people over in 5 groups of 5 at a time.
17:50:51 Okay, so we're gonna bring over the person on the phone and the phone number.
17:50:54 And 8, 1 one first, and then we're gonna bring people on the attendee list over in the order that you are listed there.
17:51:03 So caller, ending, and 8 1 one you're gonna have to accept the promotion to panelists.
17:51:11 They have to. It's
17:51:23 Yeah. Hello, this is Arnold Bergstrom. It's up County
17:51:31 I I had trouble getting on to zoom. So I yeah.
17:51:38 Anyhow. Oh, a lot of great things! I really enjoyed the presentation.
17:51:41 I agree with the last comment about meeting inventory or data, and of course the Dnr does have, that and it's not.
17:51:47 It's public information I'm always reminded of that, because we get all kinds of public information requests or some of the things that I do.
17:51:56 And you're right. One of the the kind of the best available science on carbon sequestration, is suggesting, especially with Douglas, fur that 150 years and cause there was some
discussions earlier with some other comments that old growth that doesn't produce as maybe
17:52:16 As much carbon as younger trees. And that's true, and the and that that that that age is around 150 beyond that, then they're not producing what the younger trees could produce.
17:52:30 And I think that was the comment I heard earlier one of the things that came to mind when it at some point was it you know, and it gets back to the inventory data.
17:52:40 Hum, you know if if it, if if you have no young stands, it's a suggestion that they'll double in size in 40 years.
17:52:48 That has to be evaluated, based on their current size and how they're growing really looking at the gross rings, because if if they need to be thin to to achieve that, then
you have to thin it before we can realistically expect the trees are double in sizing in 40 years I like the whole idea of using a
17:53:12 community, worse models, especially for any lands that might come into ownership by the county, or be reconveyed to the county that way.
17:53:21 It is still commute one. The attributes of the community.
17:53:28 Force is, is, it is a working forest we don't have any of our parks in Kitchen county branded that way, but my intention is to do that there's some new land that's being transferred
to gets up calendar this next year on a trust line.
17:53:43 Transfer, but
17:53:41 I know that's that's I know. I know.
17:53:49 Okay, that's good. That's good. But
17:53:46 That's 2Â min. So we're gonna let other people make their public but then we might be the rest of the time because we really wanted you here. Okay.
17:53:55 Yeah. Right? Yeah, all right. Perfect. Thank you.
17:53:58 I did that I thought it required a few people. Okay, when they're called upon, to become a panelist. They have to accept the promotion.
17:54:05 But you have people to pick in the queue there and then I'll go ahead and bring him back over once again.
17:54:13 Did you mute, mute.
17:54:13 Alright. You can just stay in that. You want.
17:54:18 Yeah, K: Yeah, you're in that. You're gonna be next to have 2Â min for public comment.
17:54:23 Hi! Thank you very much. My name is Katya Kirsch.
17:54:26 I'm a resident of Port Townsend. I want to thank you.
17:54:29 County Commissioner for holding this meeting, support protecting forests, old growth forests, forests that are have trees that are 100 plus year old.
17:54:40 They're very rare at this point, and I think that what but could be logged at this point would be the younger trees for thinning forest health.
17:54:51 But I think it's very important. Check the old growth habitat, both for habitat purposes for for climate change purposes.
17:54:59 I particularly support, protecting forests around Deaf Bay, within the coalition proposed expansion of boundaries and I also support protection of the quimper lost wilderness
old growth trees and that's about all I have to say, thank you very much.
17:55:17 I think it's a very important topic, particularly with the urgency of climate change right now
17:55:25 Thanks for your comment, Gotcha. You ask people to speak up.
17:55:29 Yeah, so when you are call them to speak, get close to the mic on your computer.
17:55:34 So we can hear you more loudly, and I also see a note from your chief male that he is resolved, as Mike, in any issue.
17:55:46 No no problem. How do I sound excellent? I just reset everything.
17:55:42 So chief mainly. Why don't you go next? Sorry? It's taken you sound good
17:55:51 Hey? I actually just had a question for Peter, is that an okay, thing to do?
17:55:58 Can you address at the end? Yeah, like we take your question, and then we can have them address it at the end
17:56:03 No problem. I just wanted to ask Peter. Does he have any historical knowledge of his estimates, and so on.
17:56:10 Where is he getting those estimates? I know that they're giving him those numbers, but is there any historical knowledge that can come from that?
17:56:17 Or is this all just estimates, and what the entire carbon project is expected or thought it might do?
17:56:26 Okay. Thanks to your family and Peter, you have a few minutes about 20Â min to corrected answer to that next.
17:56:36 I see Mary void. You have 2Â min
17:56:42 Oh, sorry!
17:56:40 Great thanks. It's Mary Bond. Yeah. Thanks. Commissioners and team.
17:56:45 I really appreciate your attention to this issue as a on tape towards row pretty load down in the county.
17:56:53 I'm a retired Wetland biologist.
17:56:54 I've worked for Dnr. Out in the experimental stake forest on the Clearwater and the Hokka so worked around these kind of forests quite a bit.
17:57:02 I just wanna encourage the county to permanently preserve the corporate last wilderness parcel and any appropriate buffer.
17:57:09 Thank you.
17:57:12 Thank you, Mary Bond. The next person up on my screen is Daniel voter
17:57:20 And there you go!
17:57:21 Hi! My name is Danielle Fedor, and I'm calling in from Port Headlock Irondale Area.
17:57:28 I wanted to thank the Commissioners and staff various people who held this meeting.
17:57:32 I really support the work that's being done to find different funding sources apart from credit trees.
17:57:41 I feel that it's really important to think about the fact that our current funding structures for fire in schools and county services were tied and created at a time at which
we thought clean air and limitless salmon and giant trees were going to be with us forever and we're limitless.
17:57:59 Source and we are now seeing unprecedented, limited limits to all of these things, and we need to look at ways to find other funding sources.
17:58:11 For these critical services that are incredibly important. I also wanted to just point out that we've heard a lot from the timber industry and the woodworking industries about
how important.
17:58:24 Logging is. But I just want to point out that these working forests force work in many ways, and one of the ways they work is that we have friends who harvest and make herbal
medicines that they sell and employ people with those businesses in our working forests i know people who
17:58:48 Let's see.
17:58:51 That's 2Â min, and you know. Thank you, Daniel. Thank you.
17:58:41 harvest, mushrooms and sell them markets locally and beyond our local area, and that there are many economic benefits and jobs that are supported by force that are not locked,
and yeah, I guess that's it I just really it's really important to me because we're often given these
17:59:00 False dichotomies that we have to fund our service
17:59:04 Oh, okay. Send you up 2Â min. Oh, you'll need to unmute
17:59:13 I have to find my unnecessary. Hi! I'm
17:59:21 I'm Cindy Brazil I'm a retired environmental engineer from Port Townsend. Can you hear me?
17:59:27 Okay.
17:59:28 Yeah, you have a little bit of an echo. Do you have AV running in the background
17:59:39 We can hear you. Okay, just a little bit of an echo
17:59:39 Okay. I'll keep going. I'm coming as a private citizen to meet today.
17:59:46 I wanted to thank the Commissioners, Chicagoistry and admire 3 group I'm excited about the carbon project, and I want to point out
18:00:04 and oh! Carbon stored in old forest, is released on harvest regarding the carbon project.
18:00:15 It makes sense to implement smaller plantations for us, since it could provide income, but I'd like to encourage the county to prioritize preservation of older biodivers legacy
for us even after the porting year period of the carpet project yeah, this comes in by some time to
18:00:38 Establish other avenues for creating webinar needed for rural essential services that don't require large urban releases from cutting many states use the timber revenue to fund
roles central services and there are otherwise to do it including tourism, recreation that goes along with
18:01:00 enjoying these old forests. Possible change in the text structure in the spaces.
18:01:07 So those are just. Thank you for your time on having this event.
18:01:12 Thank you, Cindy. The next up will be Kate, Lillian Chadwick.
18:01:17 You'll need to unmute, and then you'll have 2Â min
18:01:21 Yup!
18:01:19 Okay. Great. Can you hear me? Okay. So my name is Kate Tedwick, and I'm a citizen of the county.
18:01:28 It's wonderful to see the pipe these pilot projects, and the thinking that's happening in the county.
18:01:35 I'm really really very interested in the prospect of the county.
18:01:38 Moving forward with the DNA on a carbon project.
18:01:43 The science says: the pathway to net 0 in the immediate and near term does not happen without more sustainable landscape management.
18:01:51 And increased increase sequestration. I personally actually work on larger scale emissions, reduction, projects in Asia, and a lot of the world is moving in this direction.
18:02:02 We're seeing huge successes in parts of Africa, Latin, America, and Indonesia, etc.
18:02:07 And so, when the when we talk about these carbon projects as new and innovative, it is, but not for many for us to countries across the world.
18:02:17 So I just want to share one thing from those, and it's really that the key to those programs is partnership and the benefit sharing arrangements.
18:02:27 And so that is that delivering those either back to those contributing emission reductions through better management.
18:02:36 Those that are important for the sustainability of the program over time, but none of them really succeed with that direct benefits to the community.
18:02:44 So there's the forest management piece that that Mallory and other is talked, you know.
18:02:49 It's obviously very, very important, but equally is the design of the flow of the funds and the community, seeing where there is go helps.
18:02:57 Raise support and awareness and ultimately the revenue does need to go back to communities.
18:03:05 There are good practices for equitable benefits sharing out there also on quantifying those benefits.
18:03:12 So we talked a lot about about the the question of timber harvesting, but it's not.
18:03:15 It's not a question of Javas versus carbon price.
18:03:20 There are all the non carbon benefits in the ecosystem services from mosaic landscapes.
18:03:28 So okay, so it can be done. There's there's examples out there about day linking the forest economies and moving towards more sustainable pathways.
18:03:38 Thank you very much for the county for doing this
18:03:39 Thank you for being here next up will be Raoul Sierra, and I'm sorry about getting people things from them.
18:03:47 All good.
18:03:47 Apologize for that
18:03:51 I am a high schooler in Ironvale, and I one voice my concerns on cutting down our legacy force cause those are things that you can't. It?
18:04:06 Takes years to get them back. It's not possible to get them that quickly takes time, and on some talk with the wildfire protection and the older legacy forests and old growth
force are much more able to adopts 2 fires and they can compared to plantation they are very safe for
18:04:40 A fire travel through is not going to go up into the trees.
18:04:45 It's not gonna become quite as hard of a fire, and it's just much safer.
18:04:52 Lower W. Wind speeds, and it's gonna protect from.
18:04:58 Of course, and the force are beautiful, and it's great to I enjoy going out in these forests that can be logged in our being logged and
18:05:12 Camping and going out doing just for us, camping in those forests.
18:05:18 You can get alone versus, instead of going to more populated area where they're gonna be bothered by other people.
18:05:27 If you're just in something like many of those legacy force, there's nothing in there.
18:05:33 There's no trails. Go there. There's no one there and see
18:05:44 Hmm.
18:05:53 That's 2Â min.
18:05:48 And also that we can't. Hmm: okay, good.
18:05:56 Thank you for being here. Next up we have Eric Nagel.
18:06:03 You'll need to unmute, and you'll have 2Â min
18:06:05 Okay. I won't need 2Â min. I've already sent in a letter to all the Commissioners with details.
18:06:12 I just wanna raise my hand in favor of somehow protecting the Quimper lost wilderness, whether through the carbon program which, by the way, seems like a great deal for the
taxpayers or through some other mechanism but equipment or lost wilderness is a rare and special place so I hope
18:06:29 you can work with Dnr to preserve. That's all
18:06:33 Thanks! Eric, we appreciate your comment. Next up is Hannah Jones. Hannah.
18:06:39 You'll need to unmute me on 2Â min
18:06:43 Yeah.
18:06:41 Everyone. Can you hear me? Okay, great. My name's Hannah Jones.
18:06:47 I live in Port Angeles, and I work in Jefferson and Columb Counties in Grace Harbor County.
18:06:54 I work in the woods, and also for a a nonprofit, and I'll but a lot of our membership also works in the woods, and we're really interested in well first want to express appropriate
for all the work you all have done figuring.
18:07:08 Out all these options, and we're really interested in moving past the false dichotomy of either.
18:07:16 We completely preserve and conserve, and all jobs go away, or we continue exactly as we've been doing.
18:07:24 And the fact of the matter is jobs in the woods have been going away regardless.
18:07:28 And so we're excited about the idea of all the work that can be done.
18:07:33 Actually changing, how we how we do work in the woods, and there's so so much work to be done in restoration and selective harvesting, etc.
18:07:48 Okay.
18:07:44 So I know I'm personally excited about a vision for our county and our region, where we can carry on the legacy of work in the woods, because that is such a part of our history.
18:07:54 And who we are, and the times are changing. The climate is changing.
18:07:58 We have to change how we do things. And so also, seeing workers have a seat at the table and be able to help shape.
18:08:07 How this moves, I think, will also be really important.
18:08:11 Thanks for being here. Next up is case calls, and maybe Kate and Helen are gonna split their 2Â min time.
18:08:20 I don't know. You have 2Â min
18:08:20 Okay. Thank you so much for the great work I wanna thank Raoul.
18:08:27 The young man who spoke just recently because we need to think of next generations when we consider how we manage these forests.
18:08:36 I also want to thank Peter Bales for the outstanding work that he has done for decades to preserve salmon streams, and for all of his work down on Debop Bay, and particularly
the analysis that he did you know we need a diversity of forests.
18:08:55 We need some that are working for it, that produce timber products.
18:08:59 We need some that are preserved for a variety of reasons that have been mentioned during this workshop.
18:09:06 What we do in the next 10 years with regards to reducing our global greenhouse gas.
18:09:13 Emissions is very critical, as is the work we do to increase the amount of sequestration of carbon, and for those reasons and many reasons that people have mentioned already
i support the county continuing to work with dnr and support the carbon project so thank you very much for all the work you're doing
18:09:39 Thank you. Case next up will be Noreen Parks. Don't need to unmute you off 2Â min
18:09:47 Hi! I'm so grateful to have the opportunity to speak here.
18:09:53 I'm I'm amazed at the amount of work that's been done by Mallory and the Commissioners and everyone else who has participated in considering these issues.
18:10:05 Very thorny issues out there. My own background is, I am a science writer.
18:10:12 I've been a science writer for 30 years. I've written a lot about forests and climate change, and so I've seen the scores upon scores and ponds, hundreds of papers that talk
about how important trees are not only to carbon sequestration but to creating clients as in the
18:10:31 Amazon, and other parts of the world, and pre creating a biodiverse.
18:10:35 Happy attack. So there are many many different aspects to the value of forests.
18:10:41 I see this project, the carbon project, and the aspects of conserving different forests.
18:10:47 Here, as very much in a compromise and collaborative kind of vein.
18:10:56 And so it. You know it's I think we should encourage this.
18:11:00 I think we should applaud it, and I also happen to live close to the the the quit, so call quipper.
18:11:08 Wilderness, and I appreciate being able to go there for us are very important to everyone's health, as has been mentioned earlier.
18:11:19 You know the carbon project is supposedly treating the fate of what 10,000 acres, 40% of which, as I understand it, are in Jefferson County.
18:11:28 That's 4,000 acres that is not a lot of acreage.
18:11:33 When you hear these statistics about someone mentioned that the Us.
18:11:37 Imports 30% of its wood. Now I cannot. I I don't have the statistics at hand to account for that, but that sounds really high to me.
18:11:56 2Â min.
18:12:03 That's 2Â min.
18:11:48 Number one number 2. I'd like to know what the what? What the framework of this kind of comment is, because what about all the private forests? They're cutting down every time
we drive to Silverdale or anywhere. Okay, so sorry okay, thanks for the opportunity to speak bye
18:12:10 Thank you for being here. There's 3 more people in the on the list waiting, and I saw Alicia first.
18:12:18 So, Alicia! 2Â min.
18:12:21 Hi! I would also like to encourage everyone to think about preserving old growth forests because and an older force, because they support a diversity.
18:12:35 Of animals that cannot survive in these younger forests that are simply being grown for logging purposes.
18:12:46 A diverse forest support, to diverse the diversity of animals.
18:12:51 I have worked with nest down in Oregon, doing Red Treval conservation work for also preserving, spotted all habitat, and I think it's really important to look at the endangered
species in the area and to think about what we are taking away from them
18:13:13 Just speaking for the creatures of the forest. Thank you so much
18:13:15 Thanks for being here I'm next. I'm gonna go to Brooklyn and then Janet.
18:13:21 Well, she'll be up
18:13:23 Yes, Hi! Good evening. My name's Brett Frobie, and with the center for where street and it's really inspiring to see all the great work around forestry that's being done.
18:13:36 In Jefferson County really learned a lot from the presentation, and it's just wonderful to see how how engaged the county is in managing for us.
18:13:47 And yeah, I really I really loved something that's the gentleman from the Arc said about local timber.
18:13:52 I think that's such a great idea, and I would just love to encourage.
18:13:58 The Frc. And you know, see our Pacific industries to make a commitment to you know any any timber that is logged within Jefferson Calendar to to make a commitment to sell it
at you know the lumber there that would be a really really wonderful movement to see private
18:14:17 timber, take take a stand towards local economies. When looking at the acreage of the carbon project, so much of it is up to these younger plantation for us, which you know
are already, working for us.
18:14:32 They've been planned to, you know, to be working for us.
18:14:35 I I really strongly believe that they're could be an effort on the counties part to advocate, for rather than some of the really young plantations that are included to ask for
these legacy for us that that aren't included in the carbon project because by using teams own criteria which is
18:14:55 This high conservation value, framework, these legacy for us have such a high, higher conservation value than a forest that's been logged 15 or 20 years ago.
18:15:04 And they're also going to be sequestering and storing.
18:15:06 So much more carbon, so they're going to be generating higher, higher revenue when it comes to evaluating their value for carbon credits.
18:15:16 There, there's this kind of I'd say kind of a misrepresentation about rate versus volume.
18:15:22 When it comes to carbon sequestration where younger trees yes, sequester carbon at a higher rate.
18:15:29 But this year volume with these 80 plus year old trees.
18:15:32 They're, you know. They're increasing their mass every year at added at a larger amount.
18:15:39 That's 2Â min.
18:15:39 And so, yeah. Just just want to have that thing considered speaking.
18:15:45 Thank you. So I see Janet Welch. It's it's pointing for me to get Janet the last word, unless someone else raises their hand
18:15:59 Yeah, there's there's quite a few of us in here
18:16:01 Okay. Alright. Oh, well, not the last word yet.
18:16:06 Okay.
18:16:04 Thank thank you. Idea. I never did. The last word I want to say how much I appreciate being able to trust the people who are making these decisions because I've I've recognized
that our forests need a different kind of management especially for fire reduction and I appreciate that that I can trust that that
18:16:27 That fire, reduction activities are not gonna be used as a guise for cutting down old growth valuable for us because of the people here who are who, are keeping their eyes on
it.
18:16:38 So I want to say, thank you for those of you who are doing this, and it feels really good to be able to trust you.
18:16:45 I think that I I I want go on record as saying we need to to save every last piece of our old forests. They are.
18:16:54 They are rare, they are never going to be seen again. So we need to preserve those.
18:17:00 However, we also do need to manage those because, unlike what somebody said, they do burn and there may be excess debris that causes them to be, at risk.
18:17:11 So so I favor the approach of blending Mallory's management and preservation.
18:17:19 You know not cutting the the old growth and the the beautiful trees, and also making sure that the younger trees are properly managed, and and one of my concerns is what if
the Dnr.
18:17:36 Is better turning over 20 year old for us. And then the responsibility for managing those falls on us and, as you know, it's really expensive to do those pre-commercial things
so I have a little bit of caution there but all in all I say kudos to you keep the old
18:17:53 Trees up and manage for fire, and thank you very much.
18:17:58 Thanks, Janet, and then I see Nate Root, and then Jessica Randall.
18:18:05 There you go! 2Â min
18:18:07 Yes, thank you. My name is Nate Root. I'm the log procurement manager for Murphy Company.
18:18:12 We're in a veneer mill down in Alma Washington.
18:18:16 We peel specifically high grade Douglas for logs, for for veneer.
18:18:21 Our Vanir is used to make many of engineered many engineered wood products like laminated near lumber and and plywood, all of which we all use and you.
18:18:31 Know we've purchased many Dnr sales in East Jefferson County, along the Coil Road, Ducka Bush.
18:18:41 Now Walker, we've been an active, bitter there for the last 12 to 13 years.
18:18:47 This is a very important resource area for us. Our mill has.
18:18:52 We have 76 jobs here in Alma that are directly impacted.
18:18:57 What's interesting about our program is that since we only peel a specific doug for a lot, what we don't use we sell to other local mills.
18:19:06 We sell to Sierra Pacific. We sell the Port Angel's hardwood for towns and paper, and for and all those facilities employ hundreds of people, and so I would just like for everybody
to think about all the jobs that are impacted here and we want to keep as much acres
18:19:25 Operational as possible, so I appreciate your time and thank you once again.
18:19:31 Yeah. Thanks for being here. We appreciate you sticking out till the end.
18:19:36 Here, Jessica, you're gonna be nice so 2Â min
18:19:40 Well, good evening, and and thanks for letting us have a a comment, and I wanna thank also the people who stood up for their junior taxing districts, and also the conservation
is and I think we're all here, and our leaders of course and we're all here, because we' about our
18:20:00 community and our families. And that's what brings us the energy to do this kind of thing.
18:20:08 But I know that the the the trees have been the harvest and timber, the timber, harvest, and revenues have been decreasing for a long time.
18:20:15 Okay.
18:20:16 More than 50 years, probably, and that might be due to the fact that there aren't that many trees left the short rotation cycles there's diseases throughout climate stress and
things like that and that puts a lot of anxiety on the everybody because the population is increasing and the revenue, or the resources
18:20:36 Are decreasing, and I think we're feeling the stream, and also, of course, conservation are older for us or species.
18:20:46 We really need to conserve those so how are we going to do this while there's this resource deficiency, you know, from money that.
18:20:57 Normally people would make with the timber industry plus also just the junior taxing districts.
18:21:03 And I think really our focus should be on how to finance those those county infrastructure units like the fire departments and the schools, and things without having to sacrifice
some of our very precious older forests.
18:21:20 We should really be conserving those, and in Jefferson County doesn't really have that much of that left, and it's maybe 9.3% is our last.
18:21:32 So little, although some of them have been cut down since then, so probably less.
18:21:33 But I would just appreciate consideration in solving the problem differently rather than over harvesting.
18:21:42 Thank you.
18:21:44 Thank thank you, Jessica. I'm not seeing any other hands up.
18:21:50 Is there anyone else on the attendee list who hasn't made a comment?
18:21:53 Who would like to make a comment awesome. Yeah, I'm just making the call for the the zoom room, and then is there anyone else in the room who hasn't made a comment who would
like to make a comment.
18:22:09 Or not or no. Is there anything else you would like to say this evening?
18:22:17 He's still there
18:22:22 I don't think he's with us anymore. Okay.
18:22:27 A I had to unmute myself
18:22:29 Oh, oh, great! Yeah.
18:22:32 You hear me? Yeah. Oh, just a couple of things, you know.
18:22:37 I I spent 40 years teaching people about forests and forest ecosystems so I you know I can't help myself sometimes not trying to correct anybody but an 80 year old tree a 100
year old tree is a young tree really is based on forced ecologist Jerry Franklin.
18:22:59 Hmm.
18:23:00 You can read. It's it's out there you don't really even get to a tree that's considered old he doesn't even use the word all growth unless it is actually trees have never been
cut since you know ever been cut anyhow, by at least the Europeans, Europeans, but
18:23:25 You know, 200 years is kind of where you're starting to really look at it as a as an overall tree, and everybody wants big trees.
18:23:33 They want to see big trees, and I like to see big trees.
18:23:37 You talk about habitat and 7 recovery, and I don't know what it's like in Jefferson.
18:23:42 But you know our logging practices for for 100 years was to grab every big log we could.
18:23:49 Not saying us but and our streams need large woody debris.
18:23:56 Aristotle is large with a debris, and it's it's gonna and it's to get large with a debris.
18:24:01 You have to have large trees. And so one of the things I guess I want to suggest is that we we have to think beyond our lifetimes.
18:24:09 I'm I'm 71 years old, so I'm really talking about you know. I'm thinking more than 40 years from now.
18:24:15 I'm talking now, talking to 100 200 years from now.
18:24:19 We have to do things that make a difference. Kind of getting back to a couple of comments.
18:24:27 I already talked about getting the inventory there. I think an assessment needs to be made of of of the the quality of the habitat kind of in all these areas. All these projects.
18:24:38 But where they're talking about doing the the carbon project.
18:24:47 Because if if the habitats aren't very good, then they probably need to be thin before, but to have a chance.
18:24:53 A lot of laymen think. Well, we'll wait a 100 years, and then the half Ted will be there. Well, we've screwed it up.
18:24:59 We've screwed it up, and 100 years is too long.
18:25:02 We can plan it like like Mallory's, demonstrated and and then and then maybe talk about carbon projects.
18:25:11 And that gets back to another area that one of the one of the comments from the audience was about biodiversity. You know.
18:25:18 We need to look at, and that's part of what I'm talking about in terms of habitat assessment.
18:25:24 What is the biodiversity? I don't know.
18:25:29 The biggest threat in in Ketchup County is conversion to Non Forest I don't know how big a threat that is, and Jefferson County probably isn't the problem with the National
park or most of the Foresters Land if not all.
18:25:46 Of it. And so I want to leave you. Guess at 1 one more thought, and that is, and it's not mean that that partnerships aren't good.
18:25:57 But I'm saying, if you you need to own it to control it.
18:26:03 If you really want to
18:26:09 Know make something, happen, if the county really wants to eat something, then, especially with the reconvance potential of some of those parcels you can.
18:26:22 You can own it, and then you get to control it, and you get to make the decisions. And I don't.
18:26:26 I based on my experience of almost a decade or in kitchen county.
18:26:32 I don't think that's I think that's a good.
18:26:34 It's something to consider. I think it's a great option for you.
18:26:39 And if there's other lands that the Dnr.
18:26:40 Doesn't want any more and they all do a trust land transfer.
18:26:45 Go for it I don't think it's a mistake, because a 100 years from now it's going to make a big difference or 200 years from now.
18:26:52 It's going to be and take a big difference as trees.
18:26:56 You know the trees? Will, the trees will get bigger. They'll get older those 20 year old trees, those 40 old trees, could be 200 300 years old.
18:27:03 Someday, and it's hard for us to imagine that.
18:27:06 But that's everybody. The possibility. That's all.
18:27:11 I've got
18:27:13 Thank you. I don't know. While we're at 6 28 and so somehow we screamed up with the finish line.
18:27:20 We do not have time to respond broadly to all the questions, but I've taken notes of whether there's specific questions, and I've already trying to hook up Peter and Timothy
responses question Greg do you want to respond to anything.
18:27:37 Is there a last question you might be just using last part like my 2Â min.
18:27:45 So kind of trying to wrestle them. How our revenue estimate went 4 to 5 times between Pnr.
18:27:51 And Peter males, and why we are saying $2 per year increase in parting price.
18:28:01 Yeah, okay. So that was a specific question from ours.
18:28:15 And it might be best if we just look you guys up to have a conversation about that.
18:28:21 Okay. And the question was, how you got to a $2 $2 a year.
18:28:30 Increase in carbon price versus the timber value, staying the same over time.
18:28:37 So, Peter, hopefully. You heard that, and recorded that and maybe he can craft a response to that message because we are running out of time rapidly.
18:28:46 And I know your answer will be more than 45Â s.
18:28:58 $2 every 10Â min the $2 every 10 years.
18:29:08 Peter, are you unmuted? Do you have something quick?
18:29:10 You want to say as you
18:29:12 I just wanna say that it's pretty simple.
18:29:15 Math based on assumptions, and Cenka reviewed it and said: It all looks reasonable. So I think it would be behoove the county commissioners to have a a workshop in the afternoon
and go over the math and see what it looks like and be happy to sit in on that
18:29:38 Yeah.
18:29:34 Thanks. Peter: yeah, I think we need to dig into those numbers for sure, Denise, I have recommendation instead of doing that, I think you the world the difficulty is these are
assumptions made on pieces of property that aren't necessarily going to be a part of the carbon program so you'd be making assumptions
18:29:54 on you'd be digging into kind of air in a way so you need some more concrete analysis or actual property that you get down to the nitty, gritty and deal with leakage and all
the kinds of things that are associated with the card program.
18:30:13 It's not as it's. These are right.
18:30:16 Estimates, trying to get people up and but a field doesn't, isn't going to give people to kind of certainty.
18:30:23 And so waste your time on uncertainty at this point.
18:30:28 My personal recommendation. Okay, well, I really appreciate everyone.
18:30:33 I, especially those of you who drove quite a hall to get here, appreciate you being here being part of the conversation, the purpose of this meeting was to hear from our voices,
and I think we achieve that also to bring my seatmates into the conversation because i've been sitting on a Lot of dnr
18:30:52 Subcommittees and of course, committees for the last year and a half, and absorbing a lot and having a lot of conversations individually with some of you and I.
18:31:01 Just it where it's time to that. The conversation grow a little bit, but we are working with Dnr to come up with some collaborative ideas of how we can address the multiple
needs of our community, and we had a great conversation yesterday and I'm excited about the future conversations we're gonna have and mallory you
18:31:20 know, digging into this and and doing great work. And appreciate it from her and Katherine, and all the preparation they did for this workshop tonight and then, to our county
administrator for supporting us on this path, because we know this is really important conversation on our community we've heard from hundreds of
18:31:40 people on this issue and we're gonna keep the conversation going, and I get the last word alright.
18:31:59 I'm gonna wrap it up and make it all make sense but for everyone here. No, I I think all all we can. It's really I really appreciate everyone being here and you know the the
forest industry is as important as stakeholder, as as the other alright
18:32:11 Informed and I think the next step is just for us to let this read a little.
18:32:15 You know I've taken a lot of notes about the comments here, and I look forward to.
18:32:19 I guess the workshop soon, and where we get to this kind of digest.
18:32:22 This maybe dig into the numbers a little more as to be says, you know, very speculative, that maybe we choose a parcel and say we want to dive into this.
18:32:30 One find out what are the indirect costs that you know.
18:32:34 Dnr. And any any third party going to need to take, so we can really understand it.