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Home My WebLink AboutLog089 (Beckett Pt. situation Page 1 of 4 Zoe Ann Lamp From: Zoe Ann Lamp Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 12:47 PM To: Stacie Hoskins; AI Scalf Subject: FW: Beckett Pt. situation Jim Parker had requested discussing the location of the grinder pumps at Friday's meeting. I had originally agreed because I didn't realize there were any issues. I thought it was a simple plan revision. This is the e-mail Randy Marx forwarded to me this morning. Since we're meeting with Beckett Point and Jim Parker on Friday I wanted you to be aware of what has transpired. ~A'4A#~ Associate Planner. DRD Jefferson County Department of Community Development 621 Sheridan Street Port Townsend. WA 98368 Phone: 360-385-9406 Fax: 360-379-4473 e-mail: zlamp@co.jefferson.wa.us -----Original Message----- From: Randy Marx Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 11 :28 AM To: Zoe Ann Lamp Subject: FW: Beckett pt. situation Sorry I was not keeping you up dated. I am in negotiations with the state about who will be permitting what. Need a few more days Ra-J-flllaruc Always working for a safer and healthier Jefferson County 360 385 9444 From: Mike McNickle Sent: Thursday, March 23, 20068:15 AM To: 'wayward farm'; wayne king; david sullivan Cc: mkhays8@msn.com; Jim Parker; John Fischbach; Randy Marx Subject: RE: Beckett Pt. situation From my viewpoint, anything we can put into the ground is BETTER than what already exists at this site. Although I have to admit I need to catch up with the current situation with Randy today, I do want to let you know that JCPH will gladly do waivers for repairs if the situation, from a public health standpoint, can be improved without hesitation. I will look into it asap and give everyone on this email chain an update. Thanks! Ai ,..0-;: From: wayward farm [mailto:waywardfarm@olympus.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 5:37 PM 3/28/2006 .'f':ftf(J_9~t , Beckett Pt. situation To: wayne king; david sullivan Cc: mkhays8@msn.com; Jim Parker; Mike McNickle; John Fischbach Subject: Beckett Pt. situation Page 2 of 4 All: Thanks for all the notes on this. My response to Jim is next in this string, although sent before yours arrived. My impression is that we just might be able to use the procedurally nightmarish & so-costly outcome Mr. Marx describes to enlist the big guns of all the relevant State & US entities/agencies & local tribes to consolidate the entire project into one action & do the well-established Consolidated Permit process. IfI'm informed correctly, that sort of'all-in-one' Hearing results in issuance of all necessary permits from all the involved regulators. -- Dana Ya, Jim: Whatta crock ofBP Septic effluent... (thanx 4 yr. rpt.) Agree we should move to get the project as a whole--in toto--made the subject of said hearing. In line with the notion of dealing with all levels of permits in one combined proceedure, We need to get with the State Health & Ecology + Federal folks --(& the Tribes???)-- to make clear to them, that--IN ESSENCE--IT'S THIS PROJECT OR LIVE WITH THE XISTING DISASTERS. WE TOOK ON THIS PROJECT TO HELP OUR CITIZENS, & TO HELP DISCO BAY. THE STATE & TRIBAL/FEDERAL ENTITIES NEED, NAY: MUST! HELP SEE THIS THROUGH FOR & WITH US. A "DEATH OF A THOUSAND SLICES" APPROACH FOR 125+/- SEPARATE PERMITS IS SO STUPID I WON'T DESCRIBE IT FURTHER!! THIS PROJECT IS A BENEFIT TO EVERY CITIZEN OF WASHINGTON STATE, & BEYOND. -- Dana Subject: RE: Becket Point Date: Wed, 22 Mar 200616:33:33 -0800 From: "David Sullivan" <dsullivan@co.jefferson.wa.us> To: "Kings E-Mail..<kinghyd@olypen.com>. "James parker" <jparker@jeffpud.org>, "wayward farm" <waywardfarm@olympus.net>, <mkhays8@msn.com> Cc: "Mike McNickle" <mmcnickle@co.jefferson.wa.us>, "John Fischbach" <j fischbach@co.jefferson.wa.us> Wayne, Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I've asked Mike to look into this and expect to hear from him tomorrow. David Sullivan From: "Kings E-Mail..<kinghyd@olypen.com> 3/28/2006 j()~~~ '",.'. fk;%'. ( V. ',' .'> 1<,., ..,( , .Beckett Pt. situation To: "James parker" <jparker@jeffpud.org>, "wayward farm" <waywardfarm@olympus.net>, <mkhays8@msn.com> Cc: "Mike McNickle" <mmcnickle@co.jefferson.wa.us>, "David Sullivan" <dsullivan@co.jefferson.wa.us> Subject: Re: Becket Point Date: Wed, 22 Mar 200616:11:59 -0800 Envelope-to: waywardfarm@olympus.net Page 3 of 4 Jim: To me this is a Parametric and Jefferson County Environmental Health problem. This project has went on for how many years??? This had better be a new law. Maybe we should just pull the pin on this one. Let DOH and the County figure it out. They can just continue to gravity flow the Raw Sewage into Discovery Bay. At least the Crabbing will still good. Randal must be a new guy. Is he an Engineer??? He should not be giving out recommendations. Has he ever been to Beckett Point?? At High Tide?? I am sure he has never been out there. He would of not made that (50 Ft from the Water) statement. Mitigation??? If the County has to look at each one on a case by case basis....Our grand Children will not live long enough to finish or should I say start on this project. "Always working for a safer and healthier Jefferson County" Wayne King Jefferson County PUD Commissioner District #3 Home 797-7491 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ----- Original Message ----- FYI. A lot of the tanks may not be 50 feet from water. Can not see how it is possible. Wonder if they have a defined high water mark. We may want to go back to the club and say it is just to hard. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Randy Marx [mailto:rmarx@co.jefferson.wa.us] Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 11: 13 AM To: James parker Cc: Mike McNickle; mamdouh.el-aarag@doh.wa.gov Subject: RE: Becket Point Hey Jim It is state code (WAC 246-272-095010) that septic tanks, holding tanks, pump tanks, etc. need to be 50 feet from the water.. Besides it makes no sense to upgrade the septic system for the Becket point community then have a bunch of brand new non-compliant tanks put into the ground. Some owners will need to have there plumbing stub outs moved. :z,.~~ 3/28/2006 1 .3 Y , Beckett Pt. situation Page 4 of 4 Ifit is physically impossibly to be 50 feet (<50' road to water for example) then an application for a waiver from state standards is required and we would look at them on a case by case basis. We would only approve the waiver if there is no other way . We also would require some form of mitigation. Hope this helps Randal Marx Always working for a safer and healthier Jefferson County 3603859444 From: James parker [mailto:jparker@jeffpud.org] Sent: Wednesday, March 22,2006 10:03 AM To: Randy Marx Subject: Becket Point Randy: I talked to parametrix yesterday. They asked if I could find out what your concerns were with the location of the grinder pumps, and how we can work around it. In general the pumps were to positioned where ever we could get them to fit. In most cases this would be on the street side, but in some cases it would not. I am not too sure what the concern was. If the concern is that grinder pumps should not be located on a sand bar, we need to know this - as far as I can see the whole area is a sand bar. As to the side of the house, it appears there is water on both sides, see attached picture. I am not sure if this is holding up the shoreline hearing, perhaps we should just have it as an issue for the hearing to address. Jim f-ilffiv 3/28/2006