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Home My WebLink AboutM112006 " District No. 1 Commissioner: Phil Johnson District No.2 Commissioner: David W. Sullivan District No.3 Commissioner: Patrick M. Rodgers County Administrator: John F. Fischbach Clerk of the Board: Lorna Delaney MINUTES Week of November 20, 2006 Chairman Phil Johnson called the meeting to order in the presence of Commissioner David W. Sullivan and Commissioner Patrick M. Rodgers. COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR BRIEFING: County Administrator John Fischbach reported that no damage was reported from the storm last week. However, repairs to the Upper Hoh Road from the November 3 storm are estimated at approximately $1 million. The road is currently closed to traffic. PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD: The following comments were made by citizens. Concerns were expressed about the process for the County's appointment of outside counsel for the Security Services Northwest lawsuit; a request was made for added road safety precautions on East Qui1cene Bay Road because it is very narrow with steep cliffs and limited visibility; a member of the Critical Areas Ordinance Sub-committee sent out an emai1 stating that Jefferson County voters want stricter regulations to protect the environment because 1-933 was defeated and the Commissioner candidate who favors environmental concerns was elected; environmentalists could use the No-Shooting Areas Ordinance to establish wildlife corridors throughout the County; it is not appropriate to change a draft ordinance and hand it out at a public hearing; the County should get emai1 addresses from attendees at the No-Shooting Zone Ordinance hearing and send them the revised ordinance; contact people for interested organizations should be on an emai11ist to be notified of proposed new legislation which would allow public input at the beginning of the process; the Board was asked to sign a letter of support for a conservation effort proposed at TarboolDabob Bay to increase the boundaries of the DNR nature preserves; the Board was given a reference book; the Commissioners were away from the Courthouse during the windstorm and several other Elected Officials felt that it should have been closed down because it wasn't safe for employees; the County should have replaced the Courthouse years ago; the reason so many people are attending the No-Shooting Zone Ordinance hearings is because they feel strongly about the issue and they want their opinion heard; comments were made about the changes to the No-Shooting Zone Ordinance; and the Board may need more staff to handle public records requests. Page 1 Commissioners Meeting Minutes: Week of November 20,2006 ;;'~.~'" ::\ ./""'- +-" .. "1S '::::.: .,\<:'" Ifr!lol' APPROVAL AND ADOPTION OF THE CONSENT AGENDA: Commissioner Rodgers moved to approve the Consent Agenda as presented. Commissioner Sullivan seconded the motion which carried by a unanimous vote. 1. INTERIM ORDINANCE NO. 11-1120-06 re: Rescinding Chapter 18.18 Within Title 18 of The Jefferson County Code and Formally Re-Estab1ishing the Previously Existing Rural Designations and Standards for the Planning Area for the Future Ironda1e and Hadlock Urban Growth Area 2. RESOLUTION NO, 72-06 re: Declaration of Emergency (Entire County) 3. RESOLUTION NO. 73-06 re: Temporary Restriction of Traffic on Upper Hoh Road No. 914207 and South Discovery Road No. 601508 4. HEARING NOTICE re: Proposed Ordinance Increasing the Department of Community Development Fee Schedule; Hearing Scheduled for Monday, December 4, 2006 at 10:35 a.m. in the Commissioners' Chamber (Replaces Notice approved on November 13, 2006) 5. AGREEMENT re: Emergency Dispatching, Communications and Other Services; JeffCom; City of Port Townsend, and Jefferson County Fire Districts #1, #2, #3, #4, #5 and #6 6. AGREEMENT re: WRIA 17 Watershed Implementation Phase 4 Quilcene-Snow; Jefferson County Public Health; Jefferson County Public Utility District (PUD) No.1 7. AGREEMENT NO. 0663-06498 re: Community Service Office (CSO) Based Family Planning; Jefferson County Public Health; Washington State Department of Social and Health Services (DSHS) 8. AGREEMENT #F07-76200-912 re: Commercial and Industrial Land Analysis; Jefferson County Administrator; Washington State Department of Community Trade and Economic Development AGREEMENT re: Reducing Underage Drinking Grant (RuaD), Health Youth Project: Commissioner Sullivan moved to approve a professional services agreement with Michelle Maike for services relating to the RuaD grant. Commissioner Rodgers seconded the motion which carried by a unanimous vote. Discussion re: Law and Actions Regarding Recall Petitions: Civil Deputy Prosecuting Attorney David Alvarez reviewed the mechanics of a recall petition. Charges were filed against Commissioner Johnson and Commissioner Sullivan in the Auditor's Office on November 13. There are several time lines that need to be met. The Prosecuting Attorney's Office prepares a ballot synopsis which is filed in Superior Court. The filing fee is the initial expenditure. Ifthe Superior Court Judge finds the ballot synopsises legal and factually sufficient, the sponsor of the recall petition has 180 days to obtain 6,249 signatures for the recall of Commissioner Johnson and 6,247 for the recall of Commissioner Sullivan. Page 2 Commissioners Meeting Minutes: Week of November 20,2006 '~'.~."'.'}....Ct.... ;.. .~\,: ~ ~_ilf';-"'(;'\"'.r Commissioner Johnson and Commissioner Sullivan may request that the local government pay "the necessary expenses of defending an elective officer." The request must be made in writing and it must be approved by the legislative authority of the local government entity, which is the Board of County Commissioners, and the Prosecuting Attorney. Commissioner Johnson and Commissioner Sullivan wrote the requests for indemnification and gave them to the County Administrator. Commissioner Rodgers moved to accept the requests to indemnify Commissioner Johnson and Commissioner Sullivan. Commissioner Sullivan seconded the motion which carried by a unanimous vote. Prosecuting Attorney Juelie Dalzell granted her approval of the indemnification requests from Commissioner Johnson and Commissioner Sullivan. David Alvarez explained that the Commissioners will have to hire their own attorneys because the Prosecuting Attorney cannot represent them as individuals. The Prosecuting Attorney stated that the attorneys retained by Commissioner Johnson and Commissioner Sullivan will be appointed as outside counsel. The meeting was recessed and reconvened for the continuation of the No-Shooting Zone Ordinance Hearing at 6 p.m. in the Company A Conference Room at the Fort Worden State Park Commons. All three Commissioners were present. HEARING re: Proposed Changes in Language to No Shooting Area Ordinance No. 03- 0227-95 (Continued from November 6, 2006): Chairman Johnson opened the continued public hearing on the proposed changes to the No Shooting Area Ordinance. There were approximately 200 interested citizens present. Director of Community Development Al Scalf gave a brief summary of the documents in the handout. The Chair read the public hearing procedures into the record and opened the hearing for public testimony. Scotty McComb, North Bay Way, Port Ludlow, stated that he is an expert on both pistols and rifles and is familiar with small arms and some very large arms from his naval career. He was repairing the roof on his house one day and bullets whizzed by his head. He yelled and the shooting stopped. Another time, two men with high powered rifles and big dogs walked into his front yard and he asked them what they were doing? They replied that they were bear hunting. He was driving into Port Hadlock at the beginning of hunting season. He heard a loud crack from a rifle and a deer ran across the road in front of him. He was going 40 mph and hit and killed the deer. A hunter shot and killed a deer on the front lawn of a residence near the ReMax office on Oak Bay Road. The woman who lived there had a baby. There should be some zoning, restrictions, or regulations to protect people. There are many responsible, trained hunters and there are a lot of hunters who don't know what they are doing. The deer herds need to be thinned according to the State Department of Wildlife, but deer shouldn't be shot in residential areas. Page 3 Commissioners Meeting Minutes: Week of November 20,2006 1:2.""'0 ....",~ .~ (, ~/. ,--::-$+-~ +- ,,-, -~"'! ~ltl 1'0' Steve Hurley, Port Townsend, stated that he doesn't think a Commissioner or Elected Official should be able to initiate the no-shooting area process because theoretically two Commissioners could declare the entire County as a no-shooting area. The people that live in the proposed no-shooting area should have something to say about it. There isn't a definition in the ordinance for the terms densely populated or high density population and ifthere is an official definition in some other regulation, that regulation should be referenced in the ordinance. Right now it seems like it is up to the Commissioners to decide the definition of densely populated, The perfect example is the boundary ofthe proposed Paradise Bay No-Shooting Area. Only about 10% of the proposed area could be considered densely populated and there are hundreds of acres that are not populated at all. Someone at the June 6 hearing suggested using zoning criteria. Ifthere is an area that is one residence per five acres, it shouldn't be considered as a proposed no-shooting area without a petition by the residents. Don Roberts, Port Angeles, stated that C1allam County has a checkerboard of no-shooting areas and it is confusing. Their ordinance is similar to Jefferson County's current ordinance. He was in the military during three wars and knows what small arms will do. He thinks that a petition from the residents should initiate a no-shooting zone and he doesn't like the idea that a Commissioner or an Elected Official can initiate the process. People want no-shooting areas because they don't like the noise from a rifle or a'pistol. They need to be educated. No-shooting areas should be limited. Ronald Flock, Chimacum, stated he just moved to Jefferson County from Kitsap County where the majority of the county is a no-shooting zone. He has some acreage on Beaver Valley Road and he is concerned about being able to protect his livestock from coyotes and wild dogs if a no-shooting area is designated. He knows of an incident in Kitsap County where a cougar killed some sheep and the people couldn't shoot the cougar because they lived in a no-shooting area. John Ebner, Port Townsend, explained that he spoke at the hearing on December 6 on this proposal. The proposal as presented has several grammatical errors. The language in 8.50.080 The designation of a no- shooting zone shall not exclude is a double negative and needs to be clarified because the County actually wants to protect the exemptions. The public process should not be removed. There is a lack of specifics throughout the proposed ordinance. The density issue needs to be clarified. A definition for significant enough needs to be added. How many people are involved in the term the general welfare? A memo from the Planning Commission's No-Shooting Zone Review Committee states, The County also recognizes that requests to limit shooting in some rural areas may be best resolved by solutions agreed to within the community affected without the need to establish a formal no-shooting zone. County Officials will endeavor to facilitate such solutions. He suggested that the Board go in the direction of this statement. The public process is important and a few people shouldn't be allowed to initiate and approve a no-shooting area. Page 4 Commissioners Meeting Minutes: Week of November 20, 2006 E"""" ',.,., ....'.i':i ;'. \,~: ~ ~1S~'t~o"\~"" Bruce Seton, Cape George Road, stated that one Commissioner or the Sheriff shouldn't be able to initiate a no-shooting zone. He thinks that this is an important issue to property owners because they want to know about regulations that could affect their property. That is why there has been such a big turnout at these hearings and it doesn't have anything to do with the NRA. Ralph Wilson, Port Townsend, read a statement as follows: "I have attended all the hearings on the changes to the No-Shooting Zone Ordinance. The great majority of the people at the hearings have expressed opposition to the proposed changes. There are presently laws in effect to protect people and communities from being endangered by careless or criminal behavior. We, as citizens, expect our legal system to apprehend and punish those who would endanger our safety. We, as citizens, do not expect the Commissioners, as our elected representatives, to punish the innocent by unilaterally prohibiting our accustomed use of firearms, on our lands, both public and private. We oppose the proposed changes which would make it easier for government agencies and their officials to impose their will on us, the citizens of Jefferson County. To quote the Declaration of Independence ofthe United States of America, We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. :..- That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. He hopes that the Commissioners, as our elected representatives, are as anxious as he is to uphold the spirit of our Declaration of Independence. As one governed, he does not consent to the proposed change in the law." Dave Ward, Qui1cene, stated that he thinks this is a very important topic because he feels that the County is trying to take people's property rights away. People should have the right to do what they want on their own property. If his neighbor doesn't like it, they can either buy the property or control their own property. He thinks that it is wrong for two Commissioners to be able to make a decision that governs other people's property. There are laws on the books already regarding dangerously or wrongfully discharged weapons. We don't need any more restrictions or a process like this. Brendon Hill, Olympia, stated that he works for the National Rifle Association. He has an earth science education and he is glad to hear that this is a safety or health issue. The discharge of a firearm is not considered a violation of the Environmental Protection Act because it is a normal use of the product. The soil in western Washington is very acidic which means that lead doesn't trans locate through the soil. It binds together with the soil and the rainfall leaches out the items that would carry the lead to the aquifer level. A professor at the University of Virginia did a study on this that is accepted as evidence when it has been brought up regarding shooting ranges across the country. The range guide from the NRA discusses noise issues and ballistics and trajectories. There are 4 million NRA members in the United States and over 90 million gun owners. Government processes that exclude or limit landowner majorities have nationally been found to be very expensive to local jurisdictions and to taxpayers because of the legal issues that result and have to be litigated. Page 5 Commissioners Meeting Minutes: Week of November 20,2006 ~... James Fritz, Port Townsend, stated that he has "no trespassing" signs on his seven acres. He doesn't care if people hunt on his property, but he wants to know who they are and why they are there. Any landowner can put up no trespassing or no hunting signs. The Planning Commission should be able to deal with no shooting areas where parcels are more than one acre by polling the residents. He is against this ordinance as written. Sheriffs Deputies need to deal with serious violations ofthe law instead of being called out to remote areas because someone is shooting in a no-shooting area. Richard Watson, Oak Bay Road, stated that he has done research since the last hearing and 62% of the land in Jefferson County is federally owned, 17% is owned by the State, none is owned by an Indian Tribe, and only 21 % of the County is owned by private citizens. A large number of landowners are being affected by no-shooting area designations. He lives near Port Ludlow and there is a proposed no-shooting area near the family homestead where his family has hunted for nine generations. His acreage is agricultural/residential and he has had coyotes chase his cattle through a legal fence and one cow was hit by a car. The Sheriffs Deputies told him to solve the problem with the coyotes and he has. A neighbor asked ifhis sons could shoot on his property and he doesn't have a problem with that. His other neighbors also shoot. He usually goes to the firing range, but he does shoot coyotes. He also owns champion horses and needs to protect them from coyotes. People that live in the cities pass laws about no hunting with dogs and no baiting for bears. His son was asked by the Game Department to use his dogs to track a cougar that was bothering kids on the Dungeness. His son's dogs treed the cougar and the Game Worden killed the animal. In the Washington Game Rules there is protocol to be a good hunter. Jeff Minish, Port Hadlock, stated that he is a lifetime resident of Jefferson County, and he can see where this proposal could take over the entire County. He hunts with one son and his other son shoots occasionally. It's getting harder to find places to hunt. He used to hunt in the Port Ludlow area but he realizes that there are density issues as more houses are built. There are local hunters who can't go to Eastern Washington or out ofthe State to hunt. He bought eight acres recently in Beaver Valley and part ofthe decision to buy the property was if it was an appropriate place for shooting and it is. If he wants to shoot his gun, he has a safe place to do it. He doesn't want to see this proposal taking over the County. Roger Short, Chimacum, stated that he is a lifetime resident and farmer in the Chimacum Valley. Jeff Minish brought his kids to the farm when they were very young and taught them to shoot and that is an important father-son experience. He thinks that the no-shooting area designation is a violation of property rights and a violation ofthe Constitution. People's rights are being eroded a little bit at a time. He isn't a hunter, but he has a gun to scare the starlings out of his feed bins and protect his cattle from coyotes or wild dogs. He thinks this ordinance is related to the buffers and wildlife corridors in the Critical Area Ordinance because the designation of a no-shooting area is another way for environmental groups to stifle activities on private property. His farm is probably one of the best migratory bird hunting areas in the County and in the past he has limited the hunters that can come on it. If this ordinance passes he will open up his entire farm to hunters. Page 6 Commissioners Meeting Minutes: Week of November 20,2006 Denver Shoop, Port Hadlock, stated that a few people should not be able to shut down shooting in the entire County. A property owner can post no hunting on their property. He is concerned about the property owner who had over 175 acres and was included in a no-shooting zone without his knowledge because his neighbors signed a petition. Is the issue noise from firearms or safety? He lives in the County and doesn't hear that much shooting. There hasn't been a hunting accident for 100 years. He doesn't want anyone to put a no-shooting zone on his 20 acres. There should be no-shooting zones in Port Townsend and Port Hadlock where there are houses, but there shouldn't be no-shooting zones out in the County where people own acreage. Jim Lee, Chimacum, stated that he lives on I )Iz acres and doesn't shoot on his property because the neighbors live a little too close. The residents of an area have a right and a process to establish no-shooting zones in their neighborhood. The Planning Commission or the Health Department shouldn't have anything to do with it. If there is a public safety issue, it could be handled through the Sheriff s Office. He understands that people can still shoot wild animals that are bothering their livestock. His main concern is that the prerogative of County residents couldbe taken away from them and someone in Port Townsend could petition for a no-shooting zone designation in the County. Mary McOuillan, Port Townsend, stated that she learned about guns from her grandfather, her dad, and her husband. She doesn't own a gun or a rifle. There are areas in the County where people should be allowed to shoot guns. When she and her husband moved to the County they hunted in areas where there were very few houses. They didn't want to do anything to change the community, they just wanted to help. People move to the County and bring their ideas with them. In the winter, they leave and go south. It would be a drastic mistake if two people were allowed to make decisions for 17,000 people. She noted that when she was taught to hunt, she was taught safety and the appropriate areas to hunt. Instead of putting another law on the books, the Board needs to think ofland issues. Responsible gun owners are teaching their children how to shoot responsibly. We have the right to have rifles and ammunition and protect animals and livestock. Henry Werch, Port Townsend, explained that he is a Planning Commission member and was the Chair of the No-Shooting Zone Review Committee that reviewed the no-shooting area ordinance. He is commenting as a participant in that process because he thinks several of the recommendations were worthwhile. The Review Committee addressed the issue of no-shooting zones by looking at the reality of enforcement issues and solving problems. The County doesn't have funding to hire more Deputies to patrol no-shooting zones and it would not be an effective way to deal with what could be a real public safety problem. The Review Committee suggested that one or more Commissioners could propose a no-shooting zone if it appeared to be justified, but before the no-shooting zone was created the Commissioners would appoint a citizen's group consisting of representatives from the community and representatives from public safety, if necessary. This committee would identify whether there was a need for a no-shooting zone and the problem, such as random shooting by irresponsible hunters, someone improperly constructing a shooting range, or institutional discharge of firearms that violated some other regulation. The hope was that the issue could be addressed Page 7 Commissioners Meeting Minutes: Week of November 20,2006 f'Ij"''';'\ +- .. ~ '(I' '<~, 1I,,,u without having to go through the ordinance process and enacting a no-shooting zone. He asked the Board to look at this recommendation to appoint a group from the community to address the issue first. Peter Krough, Nordland, stated that he agrees with the testimony that has been presented. The Commissioners need to make sure that there is citizen involvement at every level, and that the process always includes citizen review, not only whether there should be a no-shooting zone but also whether there is a problem that might warrant the establishment of a no-shooting zone. Keep the citizen involvement and don't provide language in any ordinance that would provide a small group of individuals to take what should be the responsibilities of an active citizenry. George DeVries, Coyle, stated that he thinks the Coyle No-Shooting Zone is laughable. A portion of it is in a densely populated area, but it also includes the whole south end of the Coyle Peninsula. Two people were causing a lot of noise shooting and they weren't in the high density area. A couple of residents in the area decided they wanted a no-shooting zone there and it was approved by the Commissioners. It is important to look at the density of an area before a few people just map out a proposed no-shooting zone. He bought ten acres on the Coyle Peninsula in 1986 so he could have an area to shoot and now he is included in the no- shooting zone. If you call the Sheriff, the Deputies don't show up. Ruth Short, Port Townsend, stated that guns and cannons were shot at Fort Worden in the 1920s and 1930s. During Wodd War II, she took part in community activities to be ready for an invasion. It was important for people to own guns and it still is. Goss Bradford, Port Townsend, stated that he recently moved to Jefferson County. The proposed amendments to the no-shooting ordinance allow people with concealed carry permits to defend themselves, but if shooting ranges are closed down, they won't learn the proper way to shoot and be able to practice. People move to the County and aren't aware of traditional hunting areas. They should do their research before they buy property and build their house. The entire Country is losing the basic rights established in the Constitution. Rules for the sake of rules are ineffective for the rulemakers and those that are supposed to enforce them. He asked the Board to drop this ordinance from any form of consideration. It is a violation of state and federal constitutional rights and it violates the right of any property owner that has land and the capability of being able to protect their own property and shoot for recreation. Rich Gastfie1d, Port Townsend, stated that he grew up in Jefferson County and hunted out of Qui1cene his whole life. It appears that this ordinance is to appease the "moral minority." He doesn't see those people here tonight and the people who are commenting are the people the Board should listen to. These are the people that voted for you. Tim Wilson, Port Townsend, stated that there are a lot of people that were raised in the country and butchered animals to feed their families or had to dispatch animals humanely. A person should be able to continue to do those things in a no-shooting zone and not become a criminal. He doesn't think that is the Page 8 Commissioners Meeting Minutes: Week of November 20,2006 ",I'''r intention of the ordinance, but the regulations could be interpreted differently in the future. John Odam, Port Townsend, stated that he agrees with the majority ofthe speakers. He has only heard one person who was in favor ofthe ordinance and he can appreciate his concerns. The Commissioners were voted into office by a majority. The majority should rule in this Country because that is what it was founded on. There are enough laws already to take care of citizens. He and his wife moved to Washington because it is a right to carry state. He respects individual rights and the Constitution. He has never heard of anyone being hurt or killed from a shooting incident in the County. He doesn't see how the Board, in good conscious, can vote for this no-shooting zone ordinance. Carol Hurley, Cape George, stated that she agrees with the people who have spoken. She thinks that people's rights are being infringed little by little and it needs to stop. As a mom and a grandma, and a person who has a.carry permit, but doesn't carry, she would hate to have that right taken away. The current laws on the books probably aren't being enforced and should be enforced. She asked the Board to consider scraping the proposal. Kiia Flock, Beaver Valley, stated that she is new to the County. The citizens present do not want this ordinance to pass. Their concern is their right to bear arms and discharge firearms in a safe, reasonable, and rational manner for hunting, recreation and protection. She asked the Board to listen to the people of the County and surrounding counties and to take an intelligent look at the ordinance. People need to have a say in what happens on their property. Generations of families have grown up hunting safely in Jefferson County. There are great hunting opportunities in Washington State. The individuals that live here know how to hunt safely and ensure the safety of other hunters and the citizens in the community. The Sheriffs Deputies have more important enforcement issues to deal with. She asked the Board to listen to what the people here have said. Jeny Lindsay, Port Townsend, stated that this ordinance may be done with good intent, but hunting is already being restricted in many areas. If a kid is allowed to go out and hunt, they will become a much more well-rounded person. The infringement of people's rights is his big issue. Brett Austin, Port Townsend, stated that he is in the reserves and has been to Iraq. He has been around people who shot guns and hunted his whole life. He asked the Board to consider the density of an area and modify the zone boundaries if a no-shooting zone is going to be designated. In this State, most people have the common sense not to shoot toward homes or people. Norm McLeod, Port Townsend, thanked everyone for coming to this hearing, especially the people who brought their children, because this is a good experience for them. He stated that reckless endangerment laws are already in place to deal with people who are shooting where they shouldn't. On the whole, Jefferson County is a sparsely populated county, but there are populated areas where people have common sense enough not to shoot. Growing up in a rural area, he knew where to shoot and what he could shoot. Page 9 Commissioners Meeting Minutes: Week of November 20,2006 ,.~~ ~ ,Slf/fOe>' This room is filled with people who have that same common sense. Ifthere are people shooting recklessly or dangerously, and the Sheriff s Office is called, there are only a few Deputies patrolling the entire County and by the time they get there, the shooters are gone. There are already laws on the books and they should be enforced. There is not a lot of need for a No-Shooting Zone Ordinance right now. David Jenkins, Port Townsend, stated that he lives in the rural populated area from Ade1ma Beach south to Woodlands. There are a few shooters in the area who disregard the neighbors. He has been warned about walking on the old railroad bed because one of the shooters shoots in that direction even though it isn't his property. He supposes that the reckless endangerment rules would apply to the shooter. He would like to see a no-shooting zone on the east side of Discovery Bay where he lives. He is the second person who has spoken in favor ofthe ordinance. Terry Bowman, Chimacum, stated that he is concerned about this issue because his driveway is over a mile long and he doesn't have any immediate neighbors. Ifthere is a problem when he would need to use a firearm, it is probably because he wouldn't have time to wait for the Sheriffs Deputies to show up. They are good people and they do a good job. He has six acres and he wants to be able to protect his land and his animals. He wants to be able to pass the land and these rights on to his grandson or granddaughter. This is a constitutional right. James Davis, Port Townsend, stated that he spoke against this ordinance at the first hearing. If someone has bullets flying past their head, they have the responsibility to find out who is shooting and they should be prosecuted. There is a limited amount of hunting area in Jefferson County and it is getting less and less. DNR and Pope and Talbot allow hunting on their property. There are probably more deer in Port Townsend than in Jefferson County. The deer lay under his apple trees and jump a seven foot fence to eradicate his beans. Laws banning hunting cougar and hunting bear with dogs were passed by people who didn't understand wildlife or hunting. A lot of people move from cities to a rural community like Jefferson County and when they hear shots fired, they get excited. If it is endangering them or their property, the Sheriff will tell them that there are ample laws to take care of the shooters. The hunters play an important part in game management. There is also a lot of revenue that comes into the County from hunters. Aubrey Palmer, Chimacum, stated that he was taught to hunt and fish by his father, grandfather, and uncles. A lot of the reason for this proposal is to deal with criminal offences acted out by very few public. Those are the issues that the County needs to deal with. He will continue to teach his children and his children's children the way oflife he grew up with in rural Jefferson County. James Brooks, Port Townsend, stated that he lives in the middle oftown and has deer in his yard everyday. He had to put a fence up to protect his flowers. He could see proposed no-shooting zones expanding and taking over a whole County. Designating no-shooting zones in some areas could bring a lot of hardship on a lot of people like the fellow that had livestock he needed to protect. Sometimes hunters can only see the buck standing there but they are responsible for where they shoot. Page 10 Commissioners Meeting Minutes: Week of November 20,2006 David Drewery, Cape George Road, stated that he and his family live on 20 acres. Spencer Drewery, stated that he target practices where he lives and he wouldn't be able to do it if there was a no-shooting zone. Hearing no further comments, Chairman Johnson closed the oral testimony portion ofthe hearing. The Board agreed to accept written comments until December 1. Commissioner Rodgers explained why the Board asked the Planning Commission to review the current ordinance. The Sheriffhad made a request that a portion of Port Hadlock be designated as a no-shooting zone but the current ordinance requires a petition signed by residents in the area, and a proposed no-shooting zone in Paradise Bay had included a large non-residential sparsely populated area. He thanked everyone for attending the hearing and said that the Board understands their concerns. Commissioner Sullivan thanked everyone for showing interest in this issue. He noted that there are several sections in the proposed changes that will be clarified. Public hearings and public input will still be required on any proposed no-shooting area designation. Chairman Johnson stated that a date will be set for the Board to deliberate on the revisions to the proposed No-Shooting Zone Ordinance at a regular meeting. It will be advertised so that interested citizens can attend. He thanked everyone for coming. NOTICE OF ADJOURNMENT: At the close ofthe hearing, the meeting was adjourned. The next meeting is scheduled for Monday, November 27,2006 at 8 a.m. r-'(a~)Cml Julie Matthes, CMC Deputy Clerk of the Board JEFFERSON COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS ~hIDr Patrick M. Rodgers, -Member J Page 11 TO: Port Townsend & Jefferson County Leader LEGAL NOTICE Please publish one (1) time: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 in 7-pointfont BILL: Jefferson County Department of Community Development 621 Sheridan St Port Townsend W A 98368 Attn: Rachel McHugh Tel: 360-379-4450 Account# 02105510 DATE: Monday, November 13,2006 NOTICE OF CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE JEFFERSON COUNTY nOARD OF COMMISSIONERS ON NO SHOOTING AREA CRITERIA A PUBLIC HEARING CONTINUED FROM NOVEMBER 6, 2006 NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that the Jefferson COlUlty Board of COlUlty Commissioners will continue the public hearing on the proposed changes to Jefferson COlUlty Code 8.50 'No Shooting Areas' on Monday, November 20, 2006 at 6 PM in the Superior Courtroom on the 2nd floor of the Jefferson COlUlty Courthouse, l820 Jefferson St., Port Townsend. The public comment period on the proposed changes has also been extended and written public comments can be submitted to the BOCC at P.o. Box 1220, Port Townsend, W A 98368 or bye-mail atieffbocc@co.iefferson.wa.us. Availability of Information: Draft language, Planning Commission reports, DCD recommendations and meeting minutes are available at DCD, 621 Sheridan Street, Port Townsend W A 98368 and on the DCD web pages: www.co.jefferson.wa.us/commdevelopmentJdefault.htrn. Contact Rachel McHugh for more infonnation: (360) 379-4482 or planning@co.iefferson.wa.us. Approved this l8~y of '"Il~~ , 2006. -~._-. On )1Lon~~n~ ~ k~r~ "~J)v..L ()J~ ba.l,~ _ &lr '\h(~ f@h cW.t 117 ' ~ ~ t ~J~e:s Co\Jr}~o h~ 3e..cAi11\.~ (hfCl~ ('. . Q [;~-\- Ll1 rdt: V\ r- JEFFERSON COUNTY GUEST LIST HEARING: Pro osed Amendments to No Shootin Zone Ordinance DATE: Monda. November 20,2006 at 6:00 p.m. PLACE: Com pan A at Fort Worden Commons NAME (Please Print) STREETADDRESS CITY Testimony? YES NO MAYBE ~ 0 ~O 0 ~O ;;tf ~t.-y :? 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YES NO MAYBE D~D D0D DDF DDD DDD D0D ~D,r DDki DD~ O~O D~O DDD D~D DO ODD DDD JEFFERSON COUNTY GUEST LIST HEARING: Proposed Amendments to No ShootinQ Zone Ordinance DATE: Monday, November 20,2006 at 6:00 D.m. PLACE: Company A at Fort Worden Commons NAME (Please Print) STREET ADDRESS CITY Testimony? YES NO MAYBE R, C-bI Co f)JrF-IILL4 2il JLJIh #14 lfe[1 I h DDE1~ - ODD DDD ODD ODD 0 DO ODD ODD ODD DDD ODD DDD ODD .. ..- DDD DDD ODD nnn JEFFERSON COUNTY GUEST LIST HEARING: Proposed Amendments to No Shootina Zone Ordinance DATE: Monday. November 20,2006 at 6:00 p.m. PLACE: Company A at Fort Worden Commons NAME {Please Print} STREETADDRESS CITY Testimony? /I YES NO MAYSe (~~cVkS~ ~.J~~U /(;(.;2. (dec) fA) , , ~/JVNON D 0'D DDD DDD DDD DDD DDD DDD DDD DDD DDD DDD DDD DDD . -. DDD DDD DDD nnn ,:-., PUBLIC HEARING PROCEDURE Monday, November 20, 2006 at 6 p.m. Company A at Fort Worden Commons CHAIRMAN - This hearing is a continuation of the public hearing that began on November 6, 2006. Tonight's hearing is to take public testimony on the proposed changes in language to No Shooting Area Ordinance No. 03- 0227 -95. The public hearing is now open. Everyone will be given an opportunity to be heard. Extraneous or irrelevant testimony adds nothing to the hearing and makes the decision making process more complicated and difficult. This is a legal process in which facts and opinions are presented to decision makers. Emotional displays such as clapping or cheering, or undignified presentations add nothing to the hearing, The Clerk will be recording what is said, therefore when you speak, begin by stating your name and address. Spell your last name for the record. ~.- < Speak slowly and clearly. In order to give as many people as possible time to speak, we will limit each speaker to 3 ~ minutes. We will be closing the hearing at 9:45 p.m. to meet the Fort's requirement to close the building at 10 p.m. We ask that all speakers address the Board from the microphone at the front of the room. The Clerk will start a timer when the speaker is at the microphone and ready to begin speaking. The timer has 3 lights - GREEN means you can continue. YELLOW means the speaker has 1 minute left, and RED means the speaker's time is over, and a buzzer will sound. Those persons who speak should be prepared to give the Clerk any written document that they want entered into the record, The names of people who have signed up to speak will be called at random. I will call three names at a time. Please come to the front of the room when your name is called and wait for the speaker ahead of you to finish their comments. : We will start with the staff report. (Public gives testimony) Hearing no further comments on the proposed changes to the No Shooting Areas Ordinance, the oral public testimony portion of this hearing is closed. Written testimony will be accepted until ??? The final item on the Board's agenda for the week of November 20, 2006 is the Notice of Adjournment. CC";k~\=~ II/K/1Yo Page 1 of 1 Leslie Locke From: Phil Johnson Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11 :37 AM To: Leslie Locke Subject: FW: 2nd Public Hearing for "No Shooting Ordinance" ~~II'" j" fl"\rll"" 0."""'0 ~ ~';;t;t l,-~I tJ ~ rr~-, _~ !fOIl , "J- f' ~ ~/ _ . &~ '.?"':?i'>~ ~~ /)I~"ii!/! ?1."'1W"'...... ~ n,"D' __.0 "n,u '/i',!! .J'~ ~ ~,,,, 'ir. 'l>Ii> .",b .",," Pil,g" From: John Fischbach Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11 :36:57 AM To: Phil Johnson; Pat Rodgers; David Sullivan Cc: David Alvarez; AI Scalf; Allen Sartin Subject: 2nd Public Hearing for "No Shooting Ordinance" Auto forwarded by a Rule We are looking at the second public hearing on the "No Shooting Ordinance" being held at 5:30 or 6:00 p.m. on Monday, November 20th. We had originally said 5, but some staff questioned that time since work might not be over until 5. It's my thought that, without setting a closing time, we can be present to hear public comments for at least an hour, or two, or longer, if there are more people there. What do you think? Please confirm the 20th. John 11/812006 Page 1 of 1 Leslie Locke From: David Sullivan Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 1 :31 PM To: Leslie Locke Subject: FW: 2nd Public Hearing for "No Shooting Ordinance" ~ . ~. .~ F~ I i ~. .f'. .,f'\ ".D ;~ 4 .~ .f},,;;tA . 1\3:;' ~ffi.~ "~,, ~ 11 '~,~~ From: John Fischbach Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 1 :31 :07 PM To: David Sullivan Subject: RE: 2nd Public Hearing for "No Shooting Ordinance" Auto forwarded by a Rule Thanks, David. John From: David Sullivan Sent: Wednesday, November 08,2006 11:56 AM To: John Fischbach Subject: RE: 2nd Public Hearing for "No Shooting Ordinance" I'm available. Thanks, David From: John Fischbach Sent: Wed 11/8/2006 11:36 AM To: Phil Johnson; Pat Rodgers; David Sullivan Cc: David Alvarez; AI Scalf; Allen Sartin Subject: 2nd Public Hearing for "No Shooting Ordinance" We are looking at the second public hearing on the "No Shooting Ordinance" being held at 5:30 or 6:00 p.m. on Monday, November 20th. We had originally said 5, but some staff questioned that time since work might not be over until 5. It's my thought that, without setting a closing time, we can be present to hear public comments for at least an hour, or two, or longer, if there are more people there. What do you think? Please confirm the 20th. John 11/8/2006 Message Page 1 of 1 Leslie Locke From: John Fischbach Sent: Thursday, November 09,200610:26 AM To: Mike Brasfield; Leslie Locke; Rachel McHugh Subject: RE: 2nd Public Hearing for "No Shooting Ordinance" ~\ Thanks, Mike. John From: Mike Brasfield Sent: Thursday, November 09,2006 10:19 AM To: Leslie Locke; Rachel McHugh Cc: John Fischbach Subject: RE: 2nd Public Hearing for "No Shooting Ordinance" Although my attendance is certainly not necessary, I just wanted to let you know that I will be out of town. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Leslie Locke Sent: Wednesday, November 08,200611:50 AM To: Rachel McHugh; Mike Brasfield Subject: FW: 2nd Public Hearing for "No Shooting Ordinance" From: John Fischbach Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11 :36:57 AM To: Phil Johnson; Pat Rodgers; David Sullivan Cc: David Alvarez; AI Scalf; Allen Sartin Subject: 2nd Public Hearing for "No Shooting Ordinance" Auto forwarded by a Rule We are looking at the second public hearing on the "No Shooting Ordinance" being held at 5:30 or 6:00 p.m. on Monday, November 20th. We had originally said 5, but some staff questioned that time since work might not be over until 5. It's my thought that, without setting a closing time, we can be present to hear public comments for at least an hour, or two, or longer, if there are more people there. What do you think? Please confirm the 20th. John 11/9/2006 Message Page 1 of 1 Leslie Locke From: Mike Brasfield Sent: Thursday, November 09,200610:19 AM To: Leslie Locke; Rachel McHugh Cc: John Fischbach Subject: RE: 2nd Public Hearing for "No Shooting Ordinance" Although my attendance is certainly not necessary, I just wanted to let you know that I will be out of town. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Leslie Locke Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:50 AM To: Rachel McHugh; Mike Brasfield Subject: FW: 2nd Public Hearing for "No Shooting Ordinance" From: John Fischbach Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11 :36:57 AM To: Phil Johnson; Pat Rodgers; David Sullivan Cc: David Alvarez; AI Scalf; Allen Sartin Subject: 2nd Public Hearing for "No Shooting Ordinance" Auto forwarded by a Rule We are looking at the second public hearing on the "No Shooting Ordinance" being held at 5:30 or 6:00 p.m. on Monday, November 20th. We had originally said 5, but some staff questioned that time since work might not be over until 5. It's my thought that, without setting a closing time, we can be present to hear public comments for at least an hour, or two, or longer, if there are more people there. What do you think? Please confirm the 20th. John 11/912006 Gomments on the Draft No-Shooting Zone Ordinance Page 1 of2 'f'" Leslie Locke From: Phil Johnson Sent: Wednesday, November 08,20062:34 PM To: Leslie Locke Subject: FW: Comments on the Draft No-Shooting Zone Ordinance l.J r ~ From: Mike Brasfield Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 20062:31 :45 PM To: Mark Clark Cc: John Fischbach; AI Scalf; David Sullivan; Pat Rodgers; Phil Johnson Subject: RE: Comments on the Draft No-Shooting Zone Ordinance Auto forwarded by a Rule Mr. Clark- Thank you for writing and sharing your thoughts. I have copied your email to the public officials involved in either drafting, or legislating this matter. Sheriff Mike Brasfield (360) 385-3831 mbrasfield@co.iefferson.wa.us From: Mark Clark [mailto:sonomarko@yahoo.com] Sent: Wed 11/8/2006 1:55 PM To: Mike Brasfield Subject: Comments on the Draft No-Shooting Zone Ordinance Dear Sheriff Brasfield: I would like to express my opinion regarding the proposed ordinance addressing ONo-Shooting Zones. 0 Having read the draft language, I wish to make three points. First, the ordinance or its legislative history should make it clear that the basis for a request may include nuisance noise within the definition of 6public health, safety and general welfareO. Second, a petition should be fileable by registered voters outside the area under consideration as a no-shooting zone, when those registered voters are affected by the noise of the shooting. I speak particularly, as an example, where the sound of shooting will propagate across water, such as Discovery Bay, to affect registered voters across the water, perhaps more than residents within the area under consideration. Third, I strongly support the draft language that says that existing gun club facilities or commerical shooting ranges shall not be exempted from the limitations of no-shooting zones. It is proper planning and management of the County to curb or eliminate land uses which may have been considered appropriate in the past but are not consistent with the current overall County population and land use. Thank you for your consideration. And thank you for supporting this ordinance. 11/8/2006 , -.. .. ;. ~omments on the Draft No-Shooting Zone Ordinance ,;. Sincerely, Mark Clark Discovery Bay Mark Clark 553 Lane de Chantal Port Townsend, W A 98368 Tel: 360-379-4845 Cell: 360-30l-6748 Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.comlr- index 11/812006 Page 2 of2 tc: Del) 1l/~loCe Page 1 of 1 Leslie Locke From: Phil Johnson Sent: Thursday, November 02,20068:18 PM To: Leslie Locke Subject: FW: no on no-shooting zones ~.. ..".n., .- ___ ~~, if ""-~P!oD "."'C:""'i.IU' .n ;~\fi ~..- -~ .,. ~ ~,~.;, " .. n. ~j:;J' r't .1. From: Eric Taylor[SMTP:ETAYLOR@OLYPEN.COM] Sent: Thursday, November 02,20068:15:47 PM To: Phil Johnson Subject: no on no-shooting zones Auto forwarded by a Rule Mr. Johnson: I am against Jefferson County adopting any "no-shooting zone" regulations. Existing laws already cover any problems of this nature. As your constituent, I urge you to vote NO on any such proposals. Thank you, Eric Taylor 172 Wycoff Road Port Townsend, WA 98368 360-765-4397 11/312006 ---- ~. d,. D. C- . D, 11. ~ 0(" '), [R1[E~[~v~[)) NOV () G Zd06 . i JEFFERSON COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS ~I:,A OJ~JG "'fACQ RD ' ~ j~p'''~f~ r~~ I(t ""ICY' . . ... Richard Broders . 4503 Old Gardiner Road Port Townsend, W A 98368 COMMENTS ON PROPOSED NO SHOOT ZONE ENABUNG LAW There are areas that should be no shooting zones for safety reasons. Noise is a significant i$sue with mtlny people but state law appears NOT to allow counties to establish no shooting zones for other than safety reasons. See attached page hightighting how Thurston County handles no shooting zones, Possibly this method would work here for strictly noise related issues. language should confonn to state law, specifically fireanns law preemption. See R,C.W.'s attached, Petitions are petitions and requests are requests, See (1 ) (a) & (b) of suggested language for section 8,50,040, 25% signing a petition should guarantee that almost everyone in the proposed area is aware of what is possibly about to happen, I don't think we want to do all this in secret, do we? One publication in the legal notices section of the "Leader" is certainly not adequate for such a controversial topid Adding some area in after someone has looked at the proposed zone is a "bait and switch" tactic. Therefore be careful about expanding boundaries of a request or petition. See suggested language for 8,50.040 (4). In 8.50.080, I think "shall not include" was meant. In part (e) of that same section, JCC 18,20,350(8) is referenced in relationship to indoor/underground ranges yet that JCC number specifically talks about only" outdoor" ranges ??? What about existing personal! private shooting ranges that are safe, such as the one testified to at the Paradise Bay No shoot Zone hearing ? Proposed changes to section 8.50.040 for clarity, adding conformity with state preemption law of local firearms laws, allowingfor changes to existing boundaries, giving adequate notification to residents and property owners, adding enforceability as a criteria, not allowing expansion of the proposed area without a new public hearing, requiring all petitions and requests to have an attached written statement of explanation and requiring mandatory posting of any established no shooting zones. 8.50.040 Creation, Dissolution and Changes to no shooting areas (1) Creation, dissolution and boundary changes to no shooting areas shall be by one of the following methods: (a) Petitions filed by residents requesting the Jefferson County BOCC create, dissolve or change the boundaries of no shooting areas, Such petitions shall be filed with the clerk of the BOCC" shall conform to the State firearms preemption law, R.C.W. 9.41,290 and its exceptions, specifically R,C,W, 9,41,300 (2) (a), which states that such zones restricting the discharge of firearms shall only be established "where there is a reasonable likelihood that humans, domestic animals, or property will be jeopardized," and shall contain the signatures of 25% of registered voters in the area under consideration. In the case of amendments to the boundaries of existing no shooting areas, the area proposed for change shall be considered the area under consideration. (b) A request filed with the BOCC by Jefferson County Departments of Public Works, DCD or Sheriff, or by the BOCC. Such requests shall be formally accepted or rejected by the BOCC. (2) The petition or request must include a legal description of the proposed boundaries with a map showing the proposed area, a written statement explaining the reasons for the petition and how it complies with R.C.W. 9.41.290 and R.C.W. 9.41.300 (2) (a), and a statement, where applicable, of reported incidents involving firearms in the petition area, (3) After petition signatures have been verified by the Auditor, the BOCC shall set a date of hearing. After a request under (1 )(b) above, notices of the proposed request shall be mailed to property owners of record and/or registered voters in the proposed area and/or the ~\ I , proposed area shall be notoriously posted regarding the proposed action at least 30 days prior to a public hearing date, legal notices shall be published one time in the official newspaper of the County at least 10 days prior to the hearing. (.4) If the BOCC finds the formation, dissolution or change of the proposed area is consistent with state law and maintaining or enhancing the public health, safety and general welfare they may establish, dissolve or amend the proposed no shooting area. The BOCC shall consider, but is not limited to consideration of the location, terrain, population density, enforceability and surrounding land use of the proposed area. 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Currently, there are 42 no-shooting zone ordinances in existence and until now, examining the firearms issue has been a process that in many cases has served to divide rather than unite neighborhoods. Instead of focusing on a single solution, such as the creation of a no-shooting zone, individuals concerned about the discharge of firearms will first be required to meet with area residents to discuss issues and examine ways of coming to agreement about existing differences. . What happens .when you request a no-shooting zone? When a phone call, petition or letter requesting the creation of a no-shooting zone is received in the Commissioners' Office, a meeting with the contacting person is set County staff and the contacting person then discuss the problems being experienced, approaches that have been taken and avenues that could be taken. Also examined is a realistic look at enforcement in areas designated as no- shooting zones. The next step is to contact all residents in the area and, with the help of Thurston County Staff, meet to identify problems and explore solutions. In most situations, a united effort by community members is the fastest route to resolving a problem. If these initial steps are unsuccessful, the parties have the option of requesting adoption of an ordinance designating a specific area as a no-shooting zone. Creation of such an ordinance requires a public hearing and subsequent posting of the site to be designated a no-shooting zone. It should be noted that not all requests for the creation of a no-shooting zone are granted. . Statement of Intent: Thurston County officials and staff realize that the challenge in successful negotiation is conveying how important it is for all parties to at least consider a cooperative approach to solving the problem. This involves educating the parties about the process and then assessing if there is enough motivation and good faith to use it. This course of action provides an excellent place where all parties to a dispute feel the playing field has been leveled, that all pertinent information is being shared, and that offers and options are being made in good faith. Thurston County supports and offers assistance in the effort to resolve neighborhood disputes regarding the use of firearms using cooperation and problem solving techniques. . ThlH!iton County's Discharge of Firearms Code:. Chapter 10.04 of the Thurston County Code pertains to the definition of terms and area description of established no shooting zone ordinances in unincorporated Thurston County. . State of Washinaton's Authorizina Code: RCW 9.41.300, section (2)(a) states that....."(2) Notwithstanding RCW 9.41.290, cities, towns, counties and other municipalities may enact laws and ordinances: (a) Restricting the discharge of firearms in any portion of their respective jurisdictions where there is a reasonable likelihood that humans, domestic animals, or property will be jeopardized. Such laws and ordinances shall not abridge the right of the individual guaranteed by Article 1, section 24 of the state Constitution to bear arms in defense of self or others;.._". . Staff Con~J: Development Services Main number: (360) 786-5490 TOO: (360) 754-2933 httn:llwww ('.0 thllr~ton WH l1~or.r./Mmnhlp.t/nrnthoot htm A/1 'v')oo,:. .1.~~~. ~c.~711 j&/a" LXDJ Page 1 of 1 Leslie Locke From: Joe D'Amico Uoe@ssnwhq.com] Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 10:42 AM To: AI Scalf Cc: John Fischbach; David Alvarez; Leslie Locke; Erin Lundgren Subject: Congratulations! Importance: High H"C ~,D'"I~ 'I' O'f'CO. ~D .' I' , ,~\~. ". ~ \1 ~ ,;::,~., '.:'. 'I"".... ~ K . h".~ l. \ ~ 'if",,; Ii \. L /f . Ii, ~ -od:.-\"~ I 'ft,!ln Congratulations Jefferson County! You've made it on the front page of the National Rifle Association web site. You're going to need a bigger room for your meeting on Monday. www.nra.org/ Respectfully, Joseph N. D'Amico, President SECURITY SERVICES NW INC, FORT DISCOVERY, WA 1.800.859.3463 M~r.- "THE UNITY OF EFFORT''t,m, 11/612006 t .. '..... ~ <)-.lRA-ILA :: Legislation Page 1 of2 ,Ii STATE LEGISLATION Send to Print .. em.1I to .. a Friend Write Your Reps Jefferson County, Washington Taking Up Proposal on Prohibition of Shooting and Hunting! Friday, November 03, 2006 Attendance is crucial! Jefferson County commissioners will be considering a proposal on Monday, November 6, to make it easier to prohibit shooting and hunting in the county. Existing county law requires affected residents to sign a petition requesting a no-shooting zone before Commissioners can consider its creation. The proposal would allow government officials to initiate the process of prohibiting shooting in the county and allow county employees to request restrictions on shooting based solely on the undefined standard of "significant enough" population density. To date, there is no indication that there have been safety-related problems in the county or that there has been a problem in creating no-shooting zones where there is a justifiable need. There have been reports of discussions in the last year, however, regarding the creation of very expansive no-shooting zones which would include large chunks of the county encompassing rural areas, private farmland and WDFW and DNR land currently open to shooting and hunting. The November 6 proposal would seem to pave the way to implement such restrictive ordinances. Your attendance and participation at the upcoming November 6 public meeting to discuss the future of shooting and hunting in Jefferson County is crucial. The meeting will be held at 10 a.m. in the Commission chambers on the ground floor of the County Courthouse located at 1820 Jefferson Street in Port Townsend. This attempt to make it easier to impose restrictions on law-abiding shooters and hunters is similar to efforts http://www .nraila.org/Legis1ation/Read.aspx?ID=24 77 11/6/2006 · . ..->-o:.~'~MRA-ILA :: Legislation Page 2 of2 NRA has been monitoring in many counties throughout the State of Washington. It appears that people are becoming fed up with the negative aspects associated with an urban lifestyle and are causing population shifts to historically rural counties. But then when they get there, these newcomers find there are characteristics of rural life they aren't accustomed to or don't like (firearms and shooting, for instance) and they work to impose their urban mind set on the rural traditions of their new area. It is absolutely critical that firearm owners, shooters and hunters turnout for this meeting. Although it is scheduled to start at 10 a.m., NRA recommends you arrive at 9:30 as there will likely be many anti- shooting advocates there trying to fill the seats. For updates, please continue to check your emai1 or visit www.nrliilC:l.~org/. Copyright 2006, National Rifle Association of America, Institute for Legislative Action. This may be reproduced. It may not be reproduced for commercial purposes. ContactUs I Privag & Security PoUe)' http://www .nraila.org/Legis1ationlRead.aspx?ID=24 77 11/6/2006 ((~. loTP*ill l{qlao -. ~~ . Leslie' ocke From: Sent: To: Subject: Phil Johnson Saturday, November 04, 2006 10:35 AM Leslie Locke FW: no-shooting zones l~J:,A,R. ..I~J" DrCOPt.D r q ""\!-~ "\i1ii''''. ..~. !.""-. . tj, · '''''''~ ,b '" i .., '" '. "L. />' iI'fi" I, . ~.:.u...,:;/I . I'~ ~( >------------------------------------------- >From: madronahouse@olympus.net[SMTP:MADRONAHOUSE@OLYMPUS.NET] >Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 10:35:01 AM >To: Phil Johnson; David Sullivan; Pat Rodgers >Subject: no-shooting zones >Auto forwarded by a Rule > Gentlemen, I won't be able to attend your meeting in person Monday morning due to my work schedule. I do want to provide some input concerning increased areas of designation as no-shooting zones in our county. I'm not sure about the proposal you are to consider about establishing no-shooting zones. I haven't seen the full text of the proposal. However,I don't think I'm in favor of it. I'm a competitive target shooter. I'm setting up my retirement business as a manufacturer of specialty competition pistols and rifles. I own a property parcel near Cape George Colony, well suited to installtion of a 50 yard target range for siting and testing the accuracy of the firearms I manufacture. It is large enough, has a well oriented ridge geography to offer a natural projectile backstop and natural noise blocking shape that would allow safe development into a private testing range for my products. Any action by the county that might limit the ability for me to develop in this way would work against my plans. I may already have to seek special permission to use my property in this way. I wouldn't want to see an additional restriction on my existing rights to work toward a viable retirement business. I shoot twice a month in the action pistol match at the local Jefferson Co. Sportsman's Club range off of Jacob Miller Rd. I wouldn't want any county actions to limit my ability to engage in this recreational activity. The matches and firearms educational sessions at the range continue to increase in attendance and popularity and could develop into enough of a draw for out of town shooters to contribute some small amount to business opportunities and some financial income to local constituents. I have been a hunter, although I find little need to follow that activity today (except for some pest control in my garden). I feel that well managed hunting programs serve to improve wildlife population health and should not be overly restricted. An undefined standard of "significant enough" population density seems like an inappropriate and potentially indefensible yardstick to define no-shooting zone designation. I prefer the existing law that allows affected residents to petition the county to establish a no-shooting zone. To date, there is no indication that there have been safety-related problems in the county or that there has been a problem in creating no-shooting zones where there is a justifiable need. Any proposal regarding the creation of expansive no-shooting zones which would include large chunks of the county encompassing rural areas, private farmland, and Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) and Department of Natural Resources (DNR) land currently open to shooting 1 .... >c ... .-anc1j~~nting, I am not in favor of. Warm regards, Levi Ross madronahouse@olympus.net 360-385-3478 ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. 2 cc ~ 1JX:C::: iS~) II Me;(. Leslie Locke Page 1 of 1 From: Lorna Delaney Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 8:34 AM To: Leslie Locke Subject: FW: NSA Ordinance H~tAR' ,I~~I' r\[i!CO' R- D ~ ~ i!-'~ * I ~ \'1 '> '" ..t",. ~"'. .). I . !!aii' .I!" i "~ 'iI 4J ~j m"~ I. ~.. Lorna Delaney, Human Resource Manager Jefferson County PO Box 1220 Port Townsend, WA 98368 Ph: 360-385-9133 An e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Jefferson County e-mail system and may be subject to Public Disclosure under Chapter 42.56 RCW. From: PT Sails [mailto:ptsails@olympus.net] sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 5:05 PM To: Lorna Delaney Subject: NSA Ordinance Dear Jefferson County Commissioners: I have lived in Port Townsend for thirty years and have owned and lived at my property on Discovery Bay for fifteen years. I want to thank you for considering the current comprehensive the No Shooting Area (NSA ) Ordinance. Passing a comprehensive and far reaching NSA Ordinance is a step in the direction of protecting and maintaining the rights and quality of life of the citizens of our community. I support the current expanded version of an NSA ordinance for the greater good of our community. Sincerely, Carol Hasse 6644 Cape George Rd. Port Townsend, W A 98368 11/6/2006 QC: tDCC~ } ) :621)) /I /g I~ Leslie Locke From: Sent: To: Subject: Lorna Delaney Monday, November 06, 20068:06 AM Leslie Locke FW: Amendments to JCC 8.50 No Shooting Criteria H=C/J n'~J~ O(f~CO. RD Ii ~ r~~. t.... ~ ':,;j ~..."'.".li1l..._.""'. i"", . Ii.. '.. - · ""'"tc \'t, ~ B 'ti~.~1I .a\ il . n ~ S. . , ".. - 'lnS" .I '. ~,._ Lorna Delaney, Human Resource Manager Jefferson County PO Box 1220 Port Townsend, WA 98368 Ph: 360-385-9133 All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Jefferson County e-mail system and may be subject to Public Disclosure under Chapter 42.56 RCW. -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Gorsline [mailto:jgors@cablespeed.com] Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 11:12 AM To: Lorna Delaney Subject: RE: Amendments to JCC 8.50 No Shooting Criteria Commissioners, I write to express my approval for the proposed amendments to JCC 8.50. I believe these revision improve the code by expanding options for requesting a no shooting area and also defining exemptions for such areas. Jerry Gorsline 5282 Cape George Road Port Townsend WA 98368 Email: jgors@cablespeed.com ph 360.385.6132 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.27/517 - Release Date: 11/3/06 1 cc: D(~b Il/gJo~ Leslie Locke From: Sent: To: Subject: Lorna Delaney Tuesday, November 07,20063:14 PM Leslie Locke FW: No Shooting Area Ordinance ~~.W"'.. AD" I~'~ ~f"r^ Ii'!Il.\D ~~;@, ',' ~~,' j ~ 1\:.1, ~.' ~ 1 ._:! I. .._" _"_'" :>i.,} " '-C.'H' ,h ,'.' .~., -if, " , ~ . · Iii 'i'~" ~\l: j ~ .;,j ~'''1iI ~'i~' ~''-'' ~U ",;f~ 5. I !Jl!!~ U 'II: i!l ".''''-.If ,'j 1; ~ .< .' Q~t'J, ~ '. '" - ,;!:,,~"~.... ~ 'to, A>~( Lorna Delaney, Human Resource Manager Jefferson County PO Box 1220 Port Townsend, WA 98368 Ph: 360-385-9133 All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Jefferson County e-mail system and may be subject to Public Disclosure under Chapter 42.56 RCW. -----Original Message----- From: Gabe Ornelas [mailto:nulife@mail.olympus.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 12:34 PM To: Lorna Delaney Subject: No Shooting Area Ordinance Gentlemen: My wife and I want to thank you for your courageous stance in caring for the silent majority of this County by looking to the future of the health and welfare of our communities through the enactment of this expanded No Shooting Area (NSA) Ordinance. We thank you for those efforts and rest assured we intend to join that effort in a fair and well balance dialogue on this most important issue. As one politician recently stated, " .. . stay the course and full speed ahead. .". Gabe Ornelas DBA 1 CC '. '?f'C~ / 411> II J 10 a, Leslie Loc From: Sent: To: Subject: Lorna Delaney Monday, November 06,20068:06 AM Leslie Locke FW: No Shooting Area Ordinance l.J~4Rl~J~ Rr~"ORD r 11.1'11 , \~\:I Ii" .Ctfif t.., Lorna Delaney, Human Resource Manager Jefferson County PO Box 1220 Port Townsend, WA 98368 Ph: 360-385-9133 All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Jefferson County e-mail system and may be subject to Public Disclosure under Chapter 42.56 RCW. -----Original Message----- From: Gabe Ornelas [mailto:nulife@mail.olympus.net] Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 11:26 AM To: Lorna Delaney Subject: No Shooting Area Ordinance Dear Commissioners: As a resident and a property owner, I want to express my pleasure and support in the consideration before you of a fair and far reaching No Shooting Area (NSA ) Ordinance. This proposed ordinance is a major positive departure of past procedures of a community raising the issue of a NSA for their respective community. The passing of this innovative and responsible ordinance will maintain the rights of all citizens and will guide our elected officials towards the health and safety of a targeted community with aNSA. I support this expanded version of a NSA ordinance for the greater good of our communities. Sincerely, Gabe Ornelas 7174 Cape George Road Port Townsend, WA 98368 1 _~CCi.:~C ~ IJ(P/()(P ))cD)' Page 1 of2 Leslie Locke From: Lorna Delaney Sent: Monday, November 06,20068:06 AM To: Leslie Locke Subject: FW: No shooting zone/area UJ:A; nl~J~ Dr.'"CO- rlLr-,,~'P~tj r i'~ RD .,\L,? > Lorna Delaney, Human Resource Manager Jefferson County PO Box 1220 Port Townsend, WA 98368 Ph: 360-385-9133 All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Jefferson County e-mail system and may be subject to Public Disclosure under Chapter 42.56 RCW. From: David Jenkins [mailto:distaem@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 3:25 PM To: Lorna Delaney Cc: distaem@hotmail.com Subject: No shooting zone/area Dear Jefferson County commissioners: I have lived and worked in this county since 1975. Discovery Bay has been an integral part of my life and the "growing up" of my children. In my 31 years on Discovery Bay we have resisted a number of threats to its pristine and serene environment on and around the water Le., a nuclear power plant on the Blynn Peninsula, the Northern Tier Pipeline, a liquified hydrogen ship anchorage, fish farm pens, a major Japanese resort, extensive real estate development, and over-harvesting of marine resources (poor success there). My experience with Joe D'Amico began in 1988 or '89 along the old railroad bed near my home. I was biking on the RRbed. Joey in his NW Security uniform, unarmed and with his large black Belgian Shepherd stopped me and politely informed me that I was not to trespass on the Gunstone/Broders properties through which the RR bed traversed. At that time the extensive shooting range and facilities now located on the Gunstone properties were non- extistent. There was no more shooting from that area than from a few of my neighbors who practiced skeet shooting on their properties toward the bay. Currently I have one neighbor who target practices occasionally (less than once a month). Please know that D'Amico's claim to "grand-fathered pre-existing practice" of extensive shooting and explosives ranges is not true. I support the revised ordinance or rule as to how a no-shooting zone or area can be initiated in Jefferson County. I support it because I believe in continuing to protect the Discovery Bay region above the water, on the water. under the water and around the water on the shoreline and surrounding uplands. All are critical to the bay. We need neither the noise nor the disturbance of the peace and tranquility for which we have worked and sacrificed over many years that comes with shooting ranges. We have not always been successful in our efforts to protect the bay. The sea birds are almost all gone, certainly the salmon and bottom fish are few and recovering slowly. My story is not unique to Discovery Bay. It applies to many areas in Jefferson County and I leave it to those residents elsewhere to express their personal experiences and view points on protecting their areas. 11/612006 --" "- (: ~ ," .-,-,~:. .-'- -- Page 2 of2 .. 11/6/2006 CC'. ~JCi'}{P/O~ CA Leslie Loc e From: Sent: To: Subject: Lorna Delaney Monday, November 06,20068:05 AM Leslie Locke FW: NSA HEARlt;~JG RECORD Lorna Delaney, Human Resource Manager Jefferson County PO Box 1220 Port Townsend, WA 98368 Ph: 360-385-9133 All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Jefferson County e-mail system and may be subject to Public Disclosure under Chapter 42.56 RCW. -----Original Message----- From: Annette Huenke [mailto:amh@olympus.net] Sent: Sunday, November OS, 2006 1:24 PM To: Lorna Delaney Subject: NSA Dear Commissioners: Thank you for being proactive regarding the issue of expanding NSA ordinances. I will be following this issue as you move forward, and thank you for keeping in mind the health, safety and well-being of our community. Annette Huenke P.O. Box 454 Port Townsend, WA 98368 385-5911 1 ec-,j)Cu Illlt/Ol~ Page 1 of 1 Leslie Locke From: Lorna Delaney Sent: Monday, November 06,20062:16 PM To: Leslie Locke Subject: FW: Thoughts On This Morning's Meeting Importance: High H Rl~),Ir:; DFrIO. RD -. '"' If! ''?>l:'~ {f'ti, ~~r~ ~:.;(_:li' - _ - --1;. _ Lorna Delaney, Human Resource Manager Jefferson County PO Box 1220 Port Townsend, WA 98368 Ph: 360-385-9133 All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Jefferson County e-mail system and may be subject to Public Disclosure under Chapter 42.56 RCW. From: edlewis@att,net [mailto:edlewis@att.net] Sent: Monday, November 06,2006 12:16 PM To: Lorna Delaney Subject: Thoughts On This Morning's Meeting Dear Sirs, I was one of the many unable to enter this morning's meeting due to the large number of interested persons gathered for public comment. I will be unable to attend the afternoon's rescheduled meeting. Many of us have to go to work instead. Several points were made clear to an outsider. I have personal knowledge that the board had been notified in advance of the large turnout. Therefore, it was obvious that this sham meeting was designed to fail. Consequently, whatever subsequent time or venue was "discovered", a portion of the momentum present at the appoiunted time would be blunted. The wide-eyed, uncomprehending look on the Board chairman's face was laughable.... and transperent. His urgent hallway search, last minute visit to the prosecutor for an opinion and subsequent announcement to the masses was excellent Kabuki theater. As you know, nothing in Kabuki is true. All of this does not advance the actual issues forward at all. The issues, however, no matter their Constitutional gravitois, are mere illusions. The political and philosophical temprement of the Board are the end-all and be-all of this case. These delaying, deflecting and deceptive tactics are used as mere waypoints along the path already chosen by the Board. Welcome to the Monkey House. Ed Lewis 11/612006 (C~ '\:X-D 11}~/oCo Leslie Locke From: Sent: To: Subject: Lorna Delaney Monday, November 06, 2006 11 :49 AM Leslie Locke FW: Support for No Shooting Area Ordinance Lorna Delaney, Human Resource Manager Jefferson County PO Box 1220 Port Townsend, WA 98368 Ph: 360-385-9133 HEARING RECORD All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Jefferson County e-mail system and may be subject to Public Disclosure under Chapter 42.56 RCW. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Kenna [mailto:mkenna@printery.com] Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 9:53 AM To: Lorna Delaney Subject: Support for No Shooting Area Ordinance > >Dear Commissioners: > >As a resident and a property owner, I want to express my pleasure >and support in the consideration before you of a fair and far >reaching No Shooting Area Ordinance. > >This proposed ordinance is a major positive departure of past >procedures of a community raising the issue of a NSA for their >respective community. The passing of this innovative and responsible >ordinance will maintain the rights of all citizens and will guide >our elected officials towards the health and safety of a targeted >community with aNSA. > >I support this expanded version of a NSA ordinance for the greater >good of our communities. Sincerely, Mike Kenna 1 ~ '''ft ,. tc ',Det) 1\/1 loCo ~ :" Leslie Locke From: Sent: To: Subject: Lorna Delaney Tuesday, November 07, 2006 11 :39 AM Leslie Locke FW: updates to the No Shoot Area Ordinance ~iEj~RI~JG RECORD Lorna Delaney, Human Resource Manager Jefferson County PO Box 1220 Port Townsend, WA 98368 Ph: 360-385-9133 All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Jefferson County e-mail system and may be subject to Public Disclosure under Chapter 42.56 RCW. -----Original Message----- From: The Petersons [mailto:jclzpeterson@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 11:36 AM To: Lorna Delaney Subject: updates to the No Shoot Area Ordinance Dear Commissioners, We wanted to let you know of our support of the updates to the no shooting area ordinance. As our community grows this will become an increasingly important safety issue. Although the citizens that attended to voice the NRA position were louder and more numerous in stating their views at the microphone, we are sure that you realize there were many less vocal citizens in the audience at the hearing that support changes in the ordinance. We saw many of our neighbors at the meeting who we know support and agree with the proposed changes. I think we were all a little itimidated by having the NRA turn out in such force. Thank you for your efforts to improve the safety of our community. Chris and John Peterson 85 Aldrich Road Port Townsend Wa. 1 .... "'-~ ';. ~ 'QC~ ])::1) /I h loft; Leslie Locke From: Sent: To: Subject: Phil Johnson Tuesday, November 07, 2006 12:27 PM Leslie Locke FW: update to the No shoot area ordinance t. J.J: fu.. ,~ '" nrco" RD . i'~~::J ~'\ L"" ' I , >------------------------------------------- >From: Mike Brasfield >Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 12:27:11 PM >To: John Fischbach >Cc: Phil Johnson; David Sullivan; Pat Rodgers >Subject: FW: update to the No shoot area ordinance >Auto forwarded by a Rule > > > -----Original Message----- From: The Petersons [mailto:jclzpeterson@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 11:28 AM To: Mike Brasfield Subject: update to the No shoot area ordinance Dear Sheriff Brasfield, We wanted to let you know of our support of the updates to the no shooting area ordinance. As our community grows this will become an increasingly important safety issue. Although the citizens that attended to voice the NRA position were louder and more numerous in stating their views at the microphone, we are sure that you realize there were many less vocal citizens in the audience at the hearing that support changes in the ordinance. We saw many of our neighbors at the meeting who we know support and agree with the proposed changes. I think we were all a little itimidated by having the NRA turn out in such force. Thank you for your efforts to improve the safety of our community. Chris and John Peterson 85 Aldrich Road Port Townsend Wa. 1 <:c:~b il)O)DCo Page 1 of 1 Leslie Locke From: Lorna Delaney Sent: Wednesday, November OB, 2006 B:40 AM To: Leslie Locke Subject: FW: Public Hearing Importance: High H,(: AiR. I~J U.-f'~, t.. ~ \1. 1!llIlS~ U . _, ~ ';I , O.,fV.f>I'OD ",;! f""" ~.. f ~,O., ]d",~",;l' ~\ : ~ Lorna Delaney, Human Resource Manager Jefferson County PO Box 1220 Port Townsend, WA 98368 Ph: 360-385-9133 All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Jefferson County e-mail system and may be subject to Public Disclosure under Chapter 42.56 RCW. From: Don Roberts (mailto:donr@olypen,com] Sent: Wednesday, November OB, 2006 8:19 AM To: Lorna Delaney Subject: Public Hearing To: Jefferson County SOCC Subject: SOCC Public Meeting, 1005 hours, 6 November 2006 From: Don Roberts, 151 Silly Smith Rd., Port Angeles, WA 98362 FAX: 360-452-8605, Email:gQJlJ@QJyp~n,.CQm I attended the Subject Meeting and was very disappointed in its organization and conduct. The meeting room accommodated about 30 persons and about 60 had to stand out in the hallway. The sound system was completely inadequate. No one was able to understand what was being said or to be orderly called to testify pro or con. A suggestion was made that the meeting be tabled until a room large enough could be scheduled at a latter date. The SOCC chose to set the the time back to 2 pm which failed to satisfy 90% of the attendees as most of them had taken the morning off from work to be at the meeting. There were others such as myself who had to attend a funeral at 1 PM or were unable, for many reasons, to meet the changed time schedule. This meeting in no way met the standards of a Public Hearing. The SOCC should take responsibility for this fiasco and schedule another meeting. The Director of Community Development and the Country Administrator should be reprimanded and/or fire for failing to do their staff work and placing the county in this situation. I attended a public hearing in Clallam County 9-10 years ago where the Chair of the SOCC completely lost control of a public meeting. I am sure this contributed to her being replaced at the next election. Even this was not as bad as your 6 November 2006 meeting. 11/8/2006 (( '. IX:D l\)'l}O& Page 1 of 1 Leslie Locke From: Lorna Delaney Sent: Tuesday, November 07,200611 :18 AM To: Leslie Locke Subject: FW: Jefferson County Noise Ordinance f1 R. ! ~d ^ i"E C.O R~ D ~; 'I'~\j r( .,' Lorna Delaney, Human Resource Manager Jefferson County PO Box 1220 Port Townsend, WA 98368 Ph: 360-385-9133 All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Jefferson County e-mail system and may be subject to Public Disclosure under Chapter 42.56 RCW. From: CSherred [mailto:CSherred@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 07,2006 10:15 AM To: Lorna Delaney Cc: 'Gabe Ornelas' Subject: Jefferson County Noise Ordinance Dear Jefferson County Board of Commissioners, Please be informed that my wife and I strongly support the implementation of an effective noise ordinance in this county. Just like so many other Jefferson County residents we chose this region to be our home because of its pristine beauty and tranquility. Why would anyone oppose a fair and effective sound control ordinance? This is no place for loud sustained noises that disturb our residents and the local wild life. We also cannot understand how a sound ordinance has any thing to do with the NRA or a citizen's right to bear arms. Charles and Wanda Sherred 732-7034 165 Country Ridge Drive Chimacum, WA 11/7/2006 Ilf~Jc~ Leslie Locke From: Sent: To: Subject: Lorna Delaney Wednesday, November 08, 20062:01 PM Leslie Locke FW: Comments on The Draft No-Shooting Zone Ordinance Lorna Delaney, Human Resource Manager Jefferson County PO Box 1220 Port Townsend, WA 98368 Ph: 360-385-9133 ~" ..~... ,~ , . ~~D ~ik'.'..'..~ . ~'~ ~~ . All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Jefferson County e-mail system and may be subject to Public Disclosure under Chapter 42.56 RCW. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Clark [mailto:sonomarko@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 2:01 PM To: Lorna Delaney Subject: Comments on The Draft No-Shooting Zone Ordinance To The Commissioners for Jefferson County: I would like to express my opinion regarding the proposed ordinance addressing ONo- Shooting zones.O Having read the draft language, I wish to make three points. First, the ordinance or its legislative history should make it clear that the basis for a request may include nuisance noise within the definition of Opublic health, safety and general welfareO. Second, a petition should be fileable by registered voters outside the area under consideration as a no-shooting zone, when those registered voters are affected by the noise of the shooting. I speak particularly, as an example, where the sound of shooting will propagate across water, such as Discovery Bay, to affect registered voters across the water, perhaps more than residents within the area under consideration. Third, I strongly support the draft language that says that existing gun club facilities or commerical shooting ranges shall not be exempted from the limitations of no-shooting zones. It is proper planning and management of the County to curb or eliminate land uses which may have been considered appropriate in the past but are not consistent with the current overall County population and land use. Thank you for your consideration. I urge you to support this ordinance. Sincerely, Mark Clark 553 Lane de Chantal Port Townsend, WA 98368 Tel: 360-379-4845 Cell: 360-301-6748 1 ... I Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. http://new.mail.yahoo.com 2 - C:C: 1):'1) III q Ie Co Page 1 of 1 Leslie Locke From: Lorna Delaney Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:07 AM To: Leslie Locke Subject: FW: SSNW/Noise Pollution 1',f\r\D ~, ~.I U,,-" . ",(? V ~ .~ ~", Lorna Delaney, Human Resource Manager Jefferson County PO Box 1220 Port Townsend, WA 98368 Ph: 360-385-9133 All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Jefferson County e-mail system and may be subject to Public Disclosure under Chapter 42.56 RCW. From: Ken Urquhart [mailto:kurq@olympus.net] sent: Wednesday, November 08,20065:14 PM To: Commissioners.... .jeffbocc@co,jefferson,wa.us; Brasfield.... .mbrasfield@co,jefferson.wa.us Subject: SSNW /Noise Pollution Gentlemen, First and foremost, I thank you for your steadfast attempts to bring order and sanity to the incessant gunfire and explosions/noise from "Fort Discovery." That Mr. D'Amico has now enlisted the support of the NRA to lobby for him to allow his firing high caliber weapons from dawn and well into the night, is truly a travesty. Nobody is questioning the man's right to own/fire/hunt with his high caliber toys. He needs to keep in mind, though, that there is a perfectly acceptable firing range off Jacob Miller Road, when he just feels the urge to fire off a round or two. The NRA, though, I thought, reflected the rugged individualist - not what we're going through here. In my mind, the NRA can't possibly be relevant here. Please, please, bring it to an end. With best regards. Ken 204 Bellevue Drive Port Townsend 360-379-5230 11/9/2006 ce : 'uc'D 1\ \ ct/c<.o Leslie Locke From: Sent: To: Subject: Phil Johnson Wednesday, November 08, 20064:53 PM Leslie Locke FW: Support Expanded No Shoot Ordinance >------------------------------------------- >From: Frederick C. Herzog[SMTP:FRED@INIUS.COM] >Sent: wednesday, November 08, 2006 4:45:52 PM >To: Phil Johnson; David Sullivan; Mike Brasfield; John Austin >Subject: Support Expanded No Shoot Ordinance >Auto forwarded by a Rule > Dear Commissioners Johnson and Sullivan, Commissioner-Elect Austin and Sheriff Brasfield: I'm taking the time to write to you in order to let you know that both my wife and I strongly support the current effort to make it possible to expand the No Shoot ordinance's area of application. I have been a supporter of lawful gun usage and ownership for as long as I can recall. When I was young I engaged in hunting, and I still enjoy skeet and trap shooting. However, we believe that it beyond reasonable argument that all of us would be far, far better off if we were to regulate both ownership and use of firearms. The Discovery Bay Alliance, of which we are members, has long sought to enforce reasonable noise abatement from the nuisance of excessive and invasive noise from across the Bay. We'll continue that effort. Beyond that, despite my ownership of a gun, I fully support any effort that can be made to require that all guns be registered, and that has the effect of making it more difficult to purchase a gun. We are keenly aware of the statistical evidence that shows just how many deaths occur due to accidents or flare-ups of temper among otherwise law abiding citizens. We think that all those deaths, year after year, are too high a price for society to pay. Finally, we do not agree with those who claim that ownership and use of firearms is protected by the Second Amendment to the Constitution. The Supreme Court's decision in Miller says no such thing concerning private individuals. Very truly yours, Judge and Mrs. Frederick C. Herzog 41 Olympic Blvd. Port Townsend, WA 98368 (360) 385-2879 1 . _,0........ . . C-c:lrD,rr0.' II/qJO/" -s~e (r\--;- L Roland E. West Jr. PO Box 580 Carlsborg, WA 98324 November 8, 2006 ~. Jefferson Co. Board of Commissioners Jefferson Co. Courthouse Port Townsend, WA 98368 10) rp (fV p r \\,'7 p fl~\ lff\ ~ l~J 11:;.1 ~J I i~ LLJ) . NOV 0 9 2006 Subject - No Shooting Areas JEFFERSON COUN ry BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS Dear Jefferson Co. Commissioners, On November 6th, 2006 I attended your meeting regarding No Shooting Areas in your County. As a resident ofClallam Co. I assumed I would not be allowed to speak, even though I'm a member of the Jefferson Co. Sportsmen's Association.' I want to thank Jefferson Co. for providing the Sportsmen's range for the training & practice that the wife, myself & 4 children received at this facility. I can't begin to describe the confidence & high self esteem that shooting sports instills into children & adults alike. At the range or hunting the countryside shooting sports make people better & more responsible citizens. It needs to be encouraged whenever possible. Where we live in Clallam Co. we have 2 private ranges on both sides of us. One is about 500 yards away & the other about a ~ mile. 2 miles away is the Port Angeles Speedway & Highway 101. 3 miles away in different directions is a shotgun club & a motor cross track. Plus we live in the flight path for the Port Angeles Airport. All of the above are easily heard at our house. We also shoot at our house & hunt the area. At the closest private range lives a young man with his parents who was accepted to Annapolis & hopes to become a Navy Seal. His father is an emergency room doctor & his mother runs the rehab facility for heart attack patients. .-- -..-- k^'_~ - # At the Speedway we have friends from church who race. Father, mother & both sons. They tell me the youngest son is good enough that he will be their retirement. At the shotgun club young people hoping to join the Olympic team have trained. And at the motor cross track our oldest son & his friends would ride when they were younger. Thanks to his training at the Jefferson Co. Sportsmen's range & at home he went on to become a Marine Scout - Sniper & participated in the attack of Iraq & then went back for the attack on Fallujah. His picture is in the November 22,2004 Newsweek. He's the one with his fingers in his ears. He's been back to Iraq 2 or 3 more times as a Security Contractor working for the Department of Defense. I've listed 7 different things that make noise around our house. Each one is a positive activity & should be protected both in Clallam Co. & Jefferson Co. alike. As County Commissioners you need to preserve & protect the good things in your county. In my humble opinion you should leave the old No Shooting Regulations in place. Don't cave to people who don't know or understand the positive aspects of life. To them the glass will always be half empty. The only thing that is silent in this world is death. Best Regards, 1 H!d~.k! ; Page 1 of 1 Leslie Locke From: Phil Johnson Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 5:02 PM To: Leslie Locke Subject: FW: Fort Worden for No Shooting Hrg HEARING RECORD From: Julie Matthes Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 5:01 :53 PM To: Rachel McHugh Cc: John Fischbach; AI Scalf; Phil Johnson; David Sullivan; David Alvarez Subject: Fort Worden for No Shooting Hrg Auto forwarded by a Rule Rachel, the ad needs to read: Company A at the Fort Worden Commons It seats 240. She is faxing me the paperwork tomorrow. J~M~ Veptay CleY1v ofthe/BOCM"dt Jefferson County Commissioners P.O. Box 1220 Port 'fO'\Vl1send, \VA 98368 Phone: (360) 385-9122 Fax: (360) 385-9382 11/14/2006 , c c: ~.\X.r"D 1\) '7 JoCc Leslie Locke From: Sent: To: Subject: Phil Johnson Tuesday, November 07, 2006 11 :21 AM Leslie Locke FW: NSA Ordinance LJr,~.DI~JI' rH~I'~O' "0 r .t' ll~ fl ; a ':,1 ~'. ~'~.~~J ~(. ~,,~ ~...... ~. .~. ....... ;., ~x \. D \11\" i!'i b ~ ./'f ; ~ '. .~," ~ ~< .~ >------------------------------------------- >From: Mike Brasfield >Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 11:21:18 AM >To: John Fischbach >Cc: Phil Johnson; David Sullivan; Pat Rodgers >Subject: FW: NSA Ordinance >Auto forwarded by a Rule > > FYI -----original Message----- From: Gabe Ornelas [mailto:nulife@mail.olympus.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 11:16 AM To: Mike Brasfield Subject: NSA Ordinance Dear Sheriff, Robin and I want to thank you for your concern of our communities health and welfare by standing strongly for the proposed new No Shooting Area ( NSA ) Ordinance. We, too, look for a well balanced and fair ordinance for all our citizens and we believe this ordinance has that intent. TO you and to the County Commissioners we say as one person recently said, " ...stay the course and full speed ahead ...". Gabe DBA 1 Page 1 of 1 Leslie Locke From: Lorna Delaney Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 8:57 AM To: Leslie Locke Subject: FW: No Fire Zone ~. ij J '.~ Lorna Delaney, Human Resource Manager Jefferson County PO Box 1220 Port Townsend, WA 98368 Ph: 360-385-9133 All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Jefferson County e-mail system and may be subject to Public Disclosure under Chapter 42.56 RCW. From: kathrynthomas [mailto: kathrynthomas@olypen.com] Sent: Sunday, November 12, 20068:28 AM To: Lorna Delaney Subject: No Fire Zone Dear Commissioners, I strongly support a no fire zone in and around Port Ludlow. Jlive near Wolfe Properties State Park and it is very frightening to be walking the beach with hunters able to fire weapons while I am in near proximity. Wrong. I also find it irresponsible the State Parks were not notified to speak at the recent hearing. Remember you are elected officials and a subject as controversial as shooting zones should be handled with your utmost care with a special effort in notifying affected parties including, but not limited to residents. A notice in the Leader or other publication does not suffice as notification. Mailers, for one, would be appropriate. Kathryn Thomas 194 Seven Sisters Road Port Ludlow, WA 98365 kathrynthomas@olypen.com 11/13/2006 - "\ :) ;:.. '!W .L!~ ~ . J2' . / /\ :'~ (' 3Cj , :..'.,' 'r '~~"'."'..1..".,..~Q,., 7L .' . ;Jp+J~" -ct.., / ,;' ..:i;(~ ~ .ff. i) J /J ,. " ') ,,,,,' 'lS,.-i!';01-Z. (l\_V_eJ)U(}~r- I Le/ Q i m' : ';i-4-0'r\.., ~.'}~.. n. 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From: karl Jacobsen [mailto:mebachiefengineer@gmail.com] sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 10:03 AM To: Lorna Delaney Subject: No Shoot Zones After reading the draft,ofthe proposed changes to the existing no shoot ordinance I would like to offer these suggestions for the final ordinance: a. require a minimum of 51 % of the registered voters and land owners in the proposed no shoot zone sign the petition to the Commissioners. b. In the "definitions" section of the ordinance more clearly define exactly what is considered a firearm. c. The final ordinance must require timely notification, by U.S. mail or email, of all registered voters and land owners in the no shoot zone being considered. D. The final no shoot zone must be clearly defined by signage and maps so that everyone will know the exact boundaries of the no shoot zone. e. The final approval of the no shoot zone must be an affirmative vote of 60% of the registered voters and land owners in the no shoot zone. Thank you for your consideration of these suggestions. Sincerely Karl Jacobsen 4250 South Discovery Road Port Townsend, W A. 98368 360-385-2758 karlj@cablespeed.com 111712006 .. Page 1 of2 .. .1i' ....(.'. - 'i' ... Leslie Locke From: Lorna Delaney Sent: Friday, November 17, 20069:44 AM To: Leslie Locke Subject: FW: Security November 20tt) NSA Meeting Importance: High IU Lorna Delaney, Human Resource Manager Jefferson County PO Box 1220 Port Townsend, WA 98368 Ph: 360-385-9133 All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Jefferson County e-mail system and may be subject to Public Disclosure under Chapter 42.56 RCW. From: Joe D'Amico [mailto:joe@ssnwhq.com] Sent: Friday, November 17,20069:12 AM To: Lorna Delaney Cc: Erin Lundgren; John Fischbach; Leslie Locke; AI Scalf Subject: Security November 20th NSA Meeting Importance: High Dear Commissioners, Please confirm that Jefferson County has requested addition security for the No Shooting Area (NSA) debate, which will held Nov. 20th, 2006, 1800hrs at Ft. Worden. This is a contentious land use issue and we need to ensure the safety of the citizens who will be attending. Has Jefferson County considered addition security measures, to include proper security staffing, parking attendants, and screening for weapons? Respectfully, Joseph N. D'Amico, President SECURITY SERVICES NW INC. FORT DISCOVERY, WA 1-800-859-3463 .~ "THE UNITY OF EFFORT"t.m, 11/17/2006 - ~ "'" ~> Page 2 of2 *' .' ...' 11/1712006 ~: ~~\~Si)~(+c- Page 1 of 1 Leslie Locke From: Lorna Delaney Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 2:15 PM To: Leslie Locke Subject: FW: Proposed Review Criteria for No Shooting Zones Lorna Delaney, Human Resource Manager Jefferson County PO Box 1220 Port Townsend, WA 98368 Ph: 360-385-9133 All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Jefferson County e-mail system and may be subject to Public Disclosure under Chapter 42.56 RCW. From: Bob Gatz [mailto:bgatz@Suquamish.nsn.us] Sent: Monday, November 20,20062:10 PM To: Lorna Delaney Subject: Proposed Review Criteria for No Shooting Zones Commissioners, I urge you to vote no on the adoption of the proposed criteria for no shooting zones. I believe it will negatively impact hunting opportunities within Jefferson County, particularly duck hunting along the water front and deer hunting in the lowland & foothills where checkerboard development has occurred. Hunting is a long time family tradition. Our children need the opportunity to learn about nature, responsibility with firearms and respect for the land. I would hate to see this tradition lost. In addition, hunters have been the primary stewards of the land donating both time and money to conservation efforts. I frequently hunt in Jefferson County and I hope to continue to do so. Please vote NO, Bob Gatz 11/20/2006 <::. c: 12.::'Q n" 7/11;:2.0 0xj, 4Kl\\fj I I t Page 1 of 1 Leslie Locke From: Lorna Delaney Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 2:01 PM To: Leslie Locke Subject: FW: NO SHOOTING ZONES FOR JEFFERSON COUNTY Lorna Delaney, Human Resource Manager Jefferson County PO Box 1220 Port Townsend, WA 98368 Ph: 360-385-9133 All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Jefferson County e-mail system and may be subject to Public Disclosure under Chapter 42.56 RCW. From: Elda Armstrong (mailto:adallc@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, November 20,2006 12:10 PM To: Lorna Delaney Subject: NO SHOOTING ZONES FOR JEFFERSON COUNTY THE FOLLOWING E-MAIL COMMENT ON NO SHOOTING AREAS FROM HERBERT A. ARMSTRONG, POULSBO, WA. IS ENCLOSED. PLEASE RECONSIDER THIS ORDINANCE FOR THE NO SHOOTING ZONES!! 1. WHY? Not needed - it is covered adequately by existing ordinance. 2. Just another example of to many superfluous government regulations! 3. A method to control lawful hunting, a part of our heritage and reason for living in the Northwest. 4, The % of residence within an area determining for NO SHOOTING zone should be increased to at least a simple majority 51 %+. 5. Set back zones must consider the type of fire arm not just an arbitrary 500 feet etc., shotguns require much less set back than a rifle. Thank you for considering my comments and I request that you discontinue consideration of this proposed changes to Jefferson County Code 850 NO SHOOTING AREAS. Signed, Herbert A. Armstrong 21061 Indianola Rd. NE Poulsbo, WA 98370 1112012006 cC'. ~\tJ4)'DI[;(" November 16, 2006 Mr. Phil Johnson, District 1 Mr. David W. Sullivan, District 2 Mr. Patrick M. Rogers, District 3 Jefferson County Board of Commissioners P. O. Box 1220 Port Townsend, WA 98368 n'Dll I r::i'\ u Ll :.:';"1 n u NOV 2 0 2006 Dear Commissioners, In reference to the upcoming county commissioners' hearing on November 20th that will consider changing the no-shooting-zone ordinance, we strongly support the proposal to make it possible for the county sheriff, the BOCC, or members of other county departments to file a petition requesting a no-shooting area for the following reason: Our officials are elected, in part, to maintain the safety of residents as well as to protect our rights. We can appreciate a gun-owner's need to protect his property and livestock, and have no argument with the fact that the ordinance does allow use of firearms for that purpose. Our rights also include having a quiet and safe neighborhood. We may not always know about incidents involving firearms, but our county sheriff, who is in a much better position to note trends about increases in residences in an area, along with firearms incidents in these same areas, should be allowed to submit a recommendation to make a particular area a no-shooting zone. A possible alternative to the current petition process, whether as it stands or by recommendation of the county sheriff, the BOCC, or members of other county departments, would be to automatically declare an area a no-shooting zone based on population density. Thank. you very much for your attention to our letter. Sincerely, ;111. Ii.. t2h0/~, ~~ Mickey Sinclair Lois Kohashi-Sinclair 441 Seven Sisters Road Port Ludlow, WA 98365 '\ C' '"lV>T"-.") , l . J-,"-./ LJ ..., . / I She6t+) II/dJ/OG, ,,./ Page I of I Leslie Locke From: Phil Johnson Sent: Monday, November 20,20069:23 AM To: Leslie Locke Subject: FW: No Shoot zones ~~J , . II I~~- ',', 'f,t."d,')~' i, ; ~'1t,' ,~ ~ ~ .:'~t From: David McCulloch[SMTP:JDMCC@OLYMPUS.NET] Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 9:22:16 AM To: David Sullivan Cc: Phil Johnson; Pat Rodgers Subject: No Shoot zones Auto forwarded by a Rule Dear County Commissioners, Please amend County policies so that neighborhoods can choose to have no shoot zones around their homes. Chimacum, lrondale and Port Hadlock are all densely populated neighborhoods where the safety and well being of the citizens should be of utmost priority. This is not a gun ownership issue but is a public safety issue and what gun use is appropriate in a densely populated area. Target shooting and other recreational shooting should occur at gun ranges and other sanctioned areas and times. Thank: you for your consideration, David and Julie McCulloch David & Julie McCulloch 360-385-3912 Port Townsend, WA 1112012006 CC; J!d)'T? II};}O b~ s\-erlTJ II Page 1 of 1 fH Leslie Locke Sent: To: From: NErreca@aol.com Monday, November 20,20069:05 AM Lorna Delaney; John Fischbach; Phil Johnson; Leslie Locke; Erin Lundgren; Julie Matthes; Pat Rodgers; David Sullivan Subject: Shooting zone Please accept my comments by email as I am unable to attend the meeting this evening. The sheriff or a commissioner should be able to file a petition because they are responsible for the general welfare of community. I think the current process of having 10 neighbors get together to petition is difficult because it causes bad feelings in the neighborhood. Now that the area is getting more populated we need additional rules. Proximity should be the deciding factor. If you are within a certain distance from a neighbor's property you should not be able to discharge a firearm. No shooting should be done in the city limits. All properties should be no-fire zones from shots coming from another property. For instance if a neighbor's bullet comes across your property that should be a crime. On the other hand if you have a large enough property that you can shoot without being in the defined close proximity range to your neighbor you should be allowed to shoot. If, however, this shooting becomes a threat to public safety then a petition from neighbors, sheriff or commissioner should be considered. Thank you for your consideration. Nancy Erreca 30-2 Harborview Drive Port Townsend 11/2012006 cc: '1X'D,rr~7/1IJo jo(P S~l"\TJ Page 1 of 1 Leslie Locke From: Phil Johnson Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 1 :48 PM To: Leslie Locke Subject: FW: Proposed changes to the county ordinance describing the process for establishing no shoot zones within Jefferson county. From: Beth Mackey[SMTP:BMACKEY@WAYPT.COM] Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 1 :48:30 !PM To: Phil Johnson Subject: Proposed changes to the county ordinance describing the process for establishing no shoot zones within Jefferson county. Auto forwarded by a Rule Dear Commissioner Johnson, Please prevail with your draft wording for 8.50.04 section 1 band c that would allow the sheriff, county commissioners, and county departments to request a hearing based on population density and public safety. Thank you for you attention to this matter. Cordially, Beth Mackey Stan Goddard 11120/2006 cc ~ \?CD. cC-?i{lic}o~ 'S~\en r~) T Page 1 of 1 Leslie Locke From: Phil Johnson Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 11 :38 AM To: Leslie Locke Subject: FW: no shooting areas ~ From: idawin@aim.com[SMTP:IDAWIN@AIM.COM] Sent: Sunday, November 19,200611 :38:12 AM To: Phil Johnson Subject: no shooting areas Auto forwarded by a Rule Jefferson County Board of Commissioners P.O. Box 1220 Port Townsend, WA 98368 Dear Commissioner Johnson, With reference to changes in the method of establishing "no shooting areas" in Jefferson County: It appears to us that the currently proposed revisions to the law are modest, and reflect the changing character of the county as our population density increases. It seems logical that county officials should able to suggest no shoot areas to the commissioners. As with our current law, these changes will not infringe on anyone's right to the ownership and use of firearms, as long as they follow the rules and do not interfere with the rights and privacy of other citizens. Sincerely &f~ cuw1 "aa. lO~ 231 Quinault Loop Port Townsend,WA 98368 Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail-- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. 11/2012006 :~cC~]~CSr;.7.. i I &clew > 3k~ II') t- Leslie Locke From: Sent: To: Subject: The Sinclairs [mclonick@msn.com] Saturday, November 18, 2006 8:23 AM Lorna Delaney No-Shooting Zone change ~ "' ~ ~ jeffco.doc Hefferson County Board of Commissioners: Attached, please find a copy of our letter in support of the proposed change in the No-Shooting Zone petition requirement. A copy is also being sent by US mail. Thank you. Lois Kohashi-Sinclair h-206-283-7727 / 360-437-2938 1 ~....-- I ;'... ~. ..... ," November 16, 2006 Mr. Phil Johnson, District 1 Mr. David W. Sullivan, District 2 Mr. Patrick M. Rogers, District 3 Jefferson County Board of Commissioners P. O. Box 1220 Port Townsend, W A 98368 ieffbocc@co.iefferson.wa.us Dear Commissioners, In reference to the upcoming county commissioners' hearing on November 20th that will consider changing the no-shooting-zone ordinance, we strongly support the proposal to make it possible for the county sheriff, the BOCC, or members of other county departments to file a petition requesting a no-shooting area for the following reason: Our officials are elected, in part, to maintain the safety of residents as well as to protect our rights. We can appreciate a gun-owner's need to protect his property and livestock, and have no argument with the fact that the ordinance does allow use of firearms for that purpose. Our rights also include having a quiet and safe neighborhood. We may not always know about incidents involving firearms, but our county sheriff, who is in a much better position to note trends about increases in residences in an area, along with firearms incidents in these same areas, should be allowed to submit a recommendation to make a particular area a no-shooting zone. A possible alternative to the current petition process, whether as it stands or by recommendation of the county sheriff, the BOCC, or members of other county departments, would be to automatically declare an area a no-shooting zone based on population density. Thank you very much for your attention to our letter. Sincerely, Mickey Sinclair Lois Kohashi-Sinclair 441 Seven Sisters Road Port Ludlow, WA 98365 CC:U,.L CT?r+)~/ /")'1"'/'0 I <:\ P . . _.<'G to A\\,.fl . .. , v Leslie Locke From: Sent: To: Subject: john w considine Uclivefree@cablespeed.com] Sunday, November 19, 2006 10:08 AM Lorna Delaney the anti shooting ordinance ~ a To Whom it may concern: As a longtime resident of Port Townsend (overlooking Discovery Bay) and a victim, along with my wife, of these months of ungodly warfare noises across the bay, I both congratulate you for your courage and perseverance in bringing forth an anti shooting ordinance, and wish you to know that we stand behind you one hundred percent. We, unfortunately, are unable to attend this hearing, which, I understand, will be filled with NRA members ready to shout down the proposal. May you have and keep the courage of your convictions, and know you have the undying gratitude of those of us who have had the quality of our life so negatively impacted by these months of 'anti terrorist training' or whatever they call it from across the bay. Warmest regards, John & Astrid Considine 1 cC. p.." Cl?c'Cj!i!/2olc/" ) he.~ \,1 l.t Leslie Locke From: Sent: To: Subject: Karen Hackenberg and Michael Felber [wetdog@cablespeed.com] Sunday, November 19, 2006 6:03 PM Lorna Delaney No shooting zone proposal Dear Commissioners, I just wanted you to know that I support the proposed changes to the no shooting zone petition ordinance. I have had the experience of having young men shooting rifles over my head from the top of the bank at seagulls, in Discovery Bay, as I walked on the beach. I think that shooting should not be allowed in populated areas, like Discovery Bay. I will be coming to the hearing on November 20th. Thank you. Sincerely, Michael Felber 1 } ct i~ D.\ C (',j 11/2C/C(P 'jhen1 i Leslie Locke From: Sent: To: Subject: Karen Hackenberg [klhackenberg@cablespeed.com] Sunday, November 19,20066:11 PM Lorna Delaney no shooting zone petition ~!U ~: 'i D i<i Dear Commissioners, I am in favor of the proposed changes to the no shooting zone petition ordinance. I live on Adelma Beach Road in a neighborhood where the houses are congregated close together. A few years ago, a renter across the street would get drunk and shoot off his revolver in a drugged stupor, which did not make me feel very safe, especially when my husband was away. I think that shooting should not be allowed in populated areas, like Discovery Bay. I will be coming to the hearing on November 20th. Thank you. Sincerely, Karen Hackenberg 1 oc: ~:XJ111;)o/c(" J Leslie Locke Page 1 of3 From: Sent: To: Phil Johnson Friday, November 17, 20069:04 PM Leslie Locke n,p" 'j' ~~ Subject: FW: Please read--regarding proposed changes to no shoot ordinance process From: Alan and Sandy Rawson[SMTP:RAWSON@WAYPOINT.COM] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 9:03:56 PM To: David Sullivan; Phil Johnson; Pat Rodgers Cc: Alan and Sandy Rawson; Mike Brasfield; John Fischbach Subject: Please read-regarding proposed changes to no shoot ordinance process Auto forwarded by a Rule Dear Commissioners, et ai, Please read and consider the following letter in regard to draft changes to the no-shoot zone establishment process. A hard copy is also attched. Alan and Sandy Rawson 10318 Rhody Drive Chimacum, W A 98325 360379-34491 rawson@waypoint.com 11/17/06 Jefferson County Board of Commissioners P.O. Box 1220 Port Townsend, W A 98368 Dear Commissioners Sullivan, Johnson, and Rogers, This letter is written regarding the proposed changes to the county ordinance describing the process for establishing no shoot zones within Jefferson County. First, let us recap our personal experience with this issue affecting our interest in the process. We moved to Chimacum in the summer of 2004. Our new house is situated on 7.5 acres that is fairly narrow, north to south. Including a half acre shared driveway easement, the lot extends lengthwise from SR 19 to Chimacum Creek, and the principal section is located behind Peninsula Insurance. In the purchase process, we carefully examined aspects that would affect our life and comfort here, and hunting and shooting in the 5 acre wetland area bordering to the south was of major concern. The house was built to take full advantage of its southern exposure, with full view. In our environmental study period, before closing on the house purchase, we asked repeatedly and were assured by the former owners that nearby shooting and hunting would not be a problem. The parallel 7.5 11/20/2006 , r J i' Page 2 of3 acre lot to the south including the wetland area was owned by their daughter. In the unlikely event that anyone showed up to shoot, we could simply ask them to leave. Shooting and hunting was a rare occurrence, we were told. The first year was completely free of shooting on the wetland property. In the surrounding area, gun fire could be heard occasionally, but would never last longer than 15 minutes at a property on the other side of the valley and wouldn't involve more than a half dozen shots in the distant, unseen wetland areas during duck season. That completely changed when the grandson and wife of the former owners of our property neared completion of their house on the adjoining property with the wetland. Their house is on the embankment alongside SR 19, and at the bottom of the embankment they have an old lean-to shed that they've started using for launching clay pigeons. They seem to view this as the head of an ideal shooting range, a narrow corridor to contain their shot, 1200 ft deep and just a few hundred feet wide. They initiated their practice range with just under 3 hours of continuous shooting on January 1 st this year. 5 pickup trucks were parked on their hillside with a sizable gathering of cheering onlookers, and up to 3 shooters firing in volleys. There must have been almost 400 rounds fired that afternoon. The new neighbors knew of our feelings about shooting, and we felt their event was as much a response to an earlier phone conversation with us on the subject as it was a celebration of their new home. -This is LOUD shooting and we are well within range and not far off of their aim. Since that day, there have been at least 5 subsequent shooting sessions, 1.5 to 3 hours each before summer. There was also active duck hunting. Two birds were shot and necks wrung 300 feet in front of our living room window on a Sunday afternoon in February. Most recently (last week), 2 young men showed up at our neighbor's property, discharged three large bore rounds and took off with haste. They don't live there and I don't believe were accompanied by our neighbor. I do suspect they were friends (I think I recognized the car) and their discharge would probably be approved. But the whole incident struck us as being daring and testing; the current law gIves us no recourse. In response we have been in contact with Commissioner Sullivan, Sheriff Brasfield, and surrounding neighbors since the new year. Neighbor reaction was mixed as to personal feelings and degree of action needed. Old time residents recognize that the area has changed from what it was 25 years ago; it is no longer felt to be a wide open rural space, issues of peace and safety are more obvious. A feeling of hypocrisy would prevent them from petition signing since they had the freedom to shoot earlier but now didn't feel like listening to it anymore. However, they would not actively oppose the establishment of a no shoot zone in this area, preferring not to get involved in public debate. There is also the feeling from other people we talked to, just as close and equally upset as we are, that signing a petition would have a detrimental backlash on their business since a number of their customers are assumed to be avid no-shoot opponents. It should be mentioned that we also have a business, giving music lessons. And students sometime walk the full length of our driveway from Rhody Drive, passing within 60 feet of where the shooting takes place. Weare very concerned that our students may be exposed to this while on foot. There is fear and risk involved and this is sure to have a negative impact on our business with serious potential liability. There has already been one occasion when shooting was going on during a class session with 10 students. This brings me to specific points of draft changes to your process. A petition is a sensitive issue, and it is 11/20/2006 Page 3 of3 j i' not easy for many people to simply sign on. The bullying efforts of those who confuse issues of process with their right to gun ownership, and who circle their wagons and show up to meetings in large numbers, have an intimidating effect. This is no longer the wild west where the loudest voice in a crowd should sway and prevail. Sheriff Brasfield is very sensitive to our concerns and is to be commended for his careful consideration and willingness to take a stance. His professional opinion, as well as those of others included in the current proposed wording, should hold an important place in initiating the public hearing process as well as in making a final determination. At the same time, the new petition wording calling for 25% of registered voters from within the proposed zoning area, opposed to the original required 10 signatures, puts serious limitations on how citizens can bring their issue before the commissioners and request a hearing. We urge you not to make this drastic a change in that part of the process (8.50.040, section I-a). But PLEASE go ahead with your draft wording for 8.50.040, section I-b & c that would allow the sheriff, county commissioners, and county departments to request a hearing based on population density and public safety. When the time comes, we will stand and give our arguments for a tri area no shoot ban. But public speaking of our own experience would be very intimidating and secondary to what you are considering at the moment. Having lived most of our lives in North Dakota, we are no strangers to rural ways. People there are also known for their love of the outdoors and enthusiasm for firearms, but never did we hear of the blatant insensitivities to nearby residents as we've been subjected to here. We look forward to hearing of your process determination and moving forward toward a more peaceful community. Thank you for your consideration, Alan and Sandy Rawson cc: Mike Brasfield, John Fischbach 11/2012006 l ~ " Alan and Sandy Rawson 10318 Rhody Drive Chimacum, W A 98325 360379-34491 rawson@waypoint.com 11/17/06 Jefferson County Board of Commissioners P.O. Box 1220 Port Townsend, W A 98368 Dear Commissioners Sullivan, Johnson, and Rogers, This letter is written regarding the proposed changes to the county ordinance describing the process for establishing no shoot zones within Jefferson County. First, let us recap our personal experience with this issue affecting our interest in the process. We moved to Chimacum in the summer of 2004. Our new house is situated on 7.5 acres that is fairly narrow, north to south. Including a half acre shared driveway easement, the lot extends lengthwise from SR 19 to Chimacum Creek, and the principal section is 10cated behind Peninsula Insurance. In the purchase process, we carefully examined aspects that would affect our life and comfort here, and hunting and shooting in the 5 acre wetland area bordering to the south was of major concern. The house was built to take full advantage of its southern exposure, with full view. In our environmental study period, before closing on the house purchase, we asked repeatedly and were assured by the former owners that nearby shooting and hunting would not be a problem. The parallel 7.5 acre lot to the south including the wetland area was owned by their daughter. In the unlikely event that anyone showed up to shoot, we could simply ask them to leave. Shooting and hunting was a rare occurrence, we were told. The first year was completely free of shooting on the wetland property. In the surrounding area, gun fire could be heard occasionally, but would never last longer than 15 minutes at a property on the other side of the valley and wouldn't involve more than a half dozen shots in the distant, unseen wetland areas during duck season. That completely changed when the grandson and wife of the former owners of our property neared completion of their house on the adjoining property with the wetland. Their house is on the embankment alongside SR 19, and at the bottom of the embankment they have an old lean-to shed that they've started using for launching clay pigeons. They seem to view this as the head of an ideal shooting range, a narrow corridor to contain their shot, 1200 ft deep and just a few hundred feet wide. It" '" They initiated their practice range with just under 3 hours of continuous shooting on January 1 st this year. 5 pickup trucks were parked on their hillside with a sizable gathering of cheering onlookers, and up to 3 shooters firing in volleys. There must have been almost 400 rounds fired that afternoon. The new neighbors knew of our feelings about shooting, and we felt their event was as much a response to an earlier phone conversation with us on the subject as it was a celebration of their new home. -This is LOUD shooting and we are well within range and not far off oftheir aim. Since that day, there have been at least 5 subsequent shooting sessions, 1.5 to 3 hours each before summer. There was also active duck hunting. Two birds were shot and necks wrung 300 feet in front of our living room window on a Sunday afternoon in February. Most recently (last week), 2 young men showed up at our neighbor's property, discharged three large bore rounds and took off with haste. They don't live there and I don't believe were accompanied by our neighbor. I do suspect they were friends (I think I recognized the car) and their discharge would probably be approved. But the whole incident struck us as being daring and testing; the current law gives us no recourse. In response we have been in contact with Commissioner Sullivan, Sheriff Brasfield, and surrounding neighbors since the new year. Neighbor reaction was mixed as to personal feelings and degree of action needed. Old time residents recognize that the area has changed from what it was 25 years ago; it is no longer felt to be a wide open rural space, issues of peace and safety are more obvious. A feeling of hypocrisy would prevent them from petition signing since they had the freedom to shoot earlier but now didn't feel like listening to it anymore. However, they would not actively oppose the establishment of a no shoot zone in this area, preferring not to get involved in public debate. There is also the feeling from other people we talked to, just as close and equally upset as we are, that signing a petition would have a detrimental backlash on their business since a number of their customers are assumed to be avid no-shoot opponents. It should be mentioned that we also have a business, giving music lessons. And students sometime walk the full length of our driveway from Rhody Drive, passing within 60 feet of where the shooting takes place. We are very concerned that our students may be exposed to this while on foot. There is fear and risk involved and this is sure to have a negative impact on our business with serious potential liability. There has already been one occasion when shooting was going on during a class session with 10 students. This brings me to specific points of draft changes to your process. A petition is a sensitive issue, and it is not easy for many people to simply sign on. The bullying efforts of those who confuse issues of process with their right to gun ownership, and who circle their wagons and show up to meetings in large numbers, have an intimidating effect. This is no longer the wild west where the loudest voice in a crowd should sway and prevail. Sheriff Brasfield is very sensitive to our concerns and is to be commended for his careful consideration and willingness to take a stance. His professional opinion, as well as those of others included in the current proposed wording, should hold an important place in initiating the public hearing process as well as in making a final determination. At the same time, the new petition wording calling for 25% of registered voters from within the proposed zoning area, opposed to the original required 10 signatures, puts serious limitations on how citizens can bring their issue before the commissioners and request a hearing. We urge you not to make this drastic a change in that part of the process (8.50.040, section I-a). But PLEASE go ahead with your draft wording for 8.50.040, section I-b & c that would allow the sheriff, county commissioners, and county departments to request a hearing based on population density and public safety. When the time comes, we will stand and give our arguments for a tri area no shoot ban. But public speaking of our own experience would be very intimidating and secondary to what you are considering at the moment. Having lived most of our lives in North Dakota, we are no strangers to rural ways. People there are also known for their love of the outdoors and enthusiasm for firearms, but never did we hear of the blatant insensitivities to nearby residents as we've been subjected to here. We look forward to hearing of your process determination and moving forward toward a more peaceful community. Thank you for your consideration, Alan and Sandy Rawson cc: Mike Brasfield, John Fischbach CC: '.L>.} , C'D.\.. tf.l.;.,Ii-.(1',I.',....' i~"1:1":,4 ~. :5heflt!),.1 ,.~ , ~'~ .'. <.. t3C v :.~ 0 ...."'.'~ ..,...~... ?O,nr; ,--. '.;."; No-Shooting-Zone Ordinance Change 11/20/2006 To: Board of County Commissioners Statement of Ralph Wilson. I have attended all of your hearings on the No-Shoot-Zone ordinance change and the great majority of the people have expressed opposition to the proposed change. There are presently in effect, laws to protect people and communities from being endangered by careless or criminal behavior. We, as citizens, expect our legal system to apprehend and punish those who would endanger our safety. We, as citizens, do not expect you, as our elected representatives, to punish the innocent by unilaterally prohibiting our accustomed use of firearms on our lands, both public and private. We oppose the proposed changes which would make it easier for government agencies and their officials to impose their will on us, the Citizens of Jefferson County. To quote the Declaration ofIndependence of The United States of America:" We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness - That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed,". I hope that you, as our elected representatives, are as anxious as I am to uphold the Spirit of our Declaration of Independence. As one governed, I do not consent to your proposed change in the law. Sincerely, Ralph Wilson cc: Ucl\r711 ~dc<o S~e(l-tT ) '. ~_.." :'.. ';-~ .-" r--'", November 20~2006 IJOV 2 0 2006 1'0: JetIerson .County ~Board of(:ountyCommissioners From: David and {-:ail.Jen~jRr~:r:~!- 2S"Madrona Beacb D'l1Vt,1J ,.i ~ Pori Townsend, W A 98368 Thc Constitution guarantccs thc""r. ht to bcar arms". it docs not guarantee the right to shoot wherever and whenever we please. Constitutional law allows the establishment of no shootin2 areas. Cities, towns, villages and populated rural areas bave a right to safety and freedom floom flying bullets. There are even al'eas where guns aloe nr-o,b;h:f-e~IQn.t>h aQ Q:="I nortQ hOQnif-QIQ Q.t>h........!;;;;t no,';er-nmDonf- hnildingQ 1'. v ...,a.. -.... !.:J"". 13 M& p"- ..lo.7, ..."op..........:J, ~"'..Vv ~, -e"'" .. .... '" ... ..,...... ... t..7 and many public areas. The right to bear arms under the Constitu.tion is not affected by toe right to safe neighborhoods. A neighbor whose property is about 1 kilometer from me with nve intervening properties between us warned me and others that he would be target shooting in our direction and that we should be careful UToUrin" on th. P nath nnp~ InV nPBahbnr hQVP 0 riaht tn rnntrnl what .... a...........b "... ... ...... I'R....... ...., ...,....,., --.] ..........iio.. V -- T..,. fi .. -0 .. ...,.....v v .. ..... ...4-I._~ d.a ...- ...,.a.. ...b.t .........n......4-:,.....~., rl.... _I., J...a d.......~ Ot.t ULU~. '" U uu u~a."'3 I'. UI'~I L.~"'. '-- ~a. "3 U~ u~", 1 ,. Pope Resourccs iimberiands near my home where I waik aimosi daiiy. Pope allows hunting during hunting season with permits. I'm not a hunter so I sometimes for2et that hunters are in the area until I am reminded bv rifle shots. It is a dear dan2er si2nal to me and I head for ... '-. ...... home. In the passion of the hunt, folks sometimes mistake bicycles, do~s, ..nil paanla f:a,,' .. 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Thi~ f3(),tl1ti~faf)0Qt::Mii81is being considered to Ordinance No. 03-0227-95 and possible new No Shooting Areas being considered... is that correct? And am I correct that no revisions have been made to the original ordinance as it stands now. .. it is only in draft process at this time? I am against the ordinance revision that would change the 10 signatures needed to begin a petition to only 25% of the registered voters being needed in the effected area. I think deciding an issue based on only 25% of the voters is ludicrous. Why should the desires of 25% of the people have governance over the other 75%? You yourselves were not elected into your current positions by only 25% of the registered voters. You had to be elected by the majority of the voters of atleast 51 %. Why would you expect us, your constituents, to be governed any differently than you have been? Why would you expect us to accept any less than the laws that you live with? 2. Are you considering designating the entire Jefferson County area to be a No Shoot Area? The minutes of the April 19t1i Planning Commission meeting state that there are two proposed No Shooting Areas... where are these two areas located? Are they the Paradise Bay Area and the Tri. Area? These maps and the legal descriptions should be printed in the newspaper along with the hearing notice and also included in the literature that was handed out at the hearing on Nov. 6th. 3. On June 5th the Planning Commission recommended that the Board establish a citizen review committee with representation from stakeholders in the effected areas, the Sheriff's Office, DCD staff, and three residents at large. This committee would consider no shooting areas and potential criteria revision and make a recommendation to the Board. Can you please tell me who all of the members of the Planning Commissions Citizen Review Committee are? And what areas they are representing? Are there stakeholder representatives for each side of these issues? Are there any stakeholders such as hunters or target shooters on this committee? Who are the 3 at-large residents? I think it was a good idea to create the citizen review committee, but all I see is the BoCC members, the Planning Commission members, the County Administrator, and the DCD. I would like to know who all of the members of the citizen review committee are? 4. In 8,50.040(1), it states that the request must be based on a definable threat to the public health, safety, or general welfare. Where is the data that provides the statistics to show that there is a defmable threat to the public safety or general welfare of Jefferson County residents? What are you basing the threat to public safety and general welfare on? What factual evidence do you have that there is a threat to public safety? I am requesting a copy of those reports and their referencing data. I would also like to now if any of the committee's have looked into the possibility that an EIS may be needed to address these changes. 5. The 8.50.080(e) Exemptions, is written in a very confusing way. In paragraph E, it states <<The continued operation of legally established private or public gun club facilities or commercial shooting ranges which were established and operating prior to the enactment of the No Shooting Area or the development ofindoorlunderground ranges constructed in compliance with JCC 18.20.350(8)". Does that mean that legally established facilities can continue operating or will you shut them down? 6. People who shoot seriously as a hobby do so carefully and legally. Creating No Shoot Areas only penalizes the good shooters and does nothing to address the real issue of the problem, which is outlaw shooters that shoot anywhere and have no regard for public safety. The property owners that have a safe and well constructed range should not be penalized by the reckless shooters and hunters. Unsafe . ...~. \ and reckless shooters and hunters are an enfor<fCDlent problem and an issue that needs to be addressed. Our law officers can not adequately patrol all of the No Shoot Areas that we have in effect now... adding more areas will only compound that problem and resolve nothing, The enforcement issue needs to be seriously addressed before any new areas are designated. It is not fair that the majority is penalized because of the actions of only a few. 7. Clallam County ordinance states a 50% plus one% of property owners must agree and Kitsap County ordinance states that 60% of property owners must agree, why have you taken the liberty to change our ordinance and decide for us that Jefferson County only needs 25% of property owners must agree. Who came up with the figure of25%? 8. I do agree with the density issue and I would like to recommend that the BoCC use density as part of the rationale for setting control areas, with shooting being allowed in areas of 1 in 5acre density and greater. 9. If this is going to be a county-wide ordinance then it will effect all those who live in this county and it should be put on the ballot for a vote by all county registered voters. 10. It's obvious that this is not just an issue about public safety. It's an issue about a few people that are annoyed by the sound of gunfire and some people that are biased and prejudiced against guns and people owning guns in general. In decibel ratings most noise from gunfire is no different than the noise of a chainsaw, a weed eater, a dirt bike, a heavy equipment business, or an industrial business. They all produce noise... that is part of living in the County and living in the countryside. The countryside is not just a serene peaceful quiet euphoric place, it's also an active working environment with many different businesses. Many of these businesses have been here long before the people that are complaining about the noise arrived. If those people do not like the noise that has always been there, then perhaps they should have chosen a different place to live. The criteria that is being considered for the No Shooting Areas Ordinance could be used just as easily on any business in the County.,. especially those that make noise. Will these same principals be applied to noise producing county businesses in the future? All it would take is someone filing a petition. I live on Hastings Ave. W. and it is a busy country road. There are a lot of heavy equipment businesses that use this road. I knew that when I decided to move into this area. I hear heavy equipment start up every weekday in the morning and return home again every evening. I hear their employees arrive and hear them leave in the evening. This all creates noise, but I am not complaining. I know that this is part of what makes living in the countryside unique... this means jobs and prosperity... this is the backbone of our country and what makes our country great. I also live about a y.. mile from the Gun Club range on Jacob Miller Road. Again, the gun club was here when I moved here almost 28 years ago and the noise of the gun club shooting has never been annoying or loud in this area. Everyone that lives in my neighborhood hears the gun club and to my knowledge no one has complained or tried to set up a petition against it... as of yet. The sound of my gunfire from my own range is no louder than these other sounds. My gun range has been checked out by several law enforcement officers and is deemed safe and legal, Most of the people that are complaining about the noise of gunfire are people that do not like guns in general. They often have preconceived ideas and are uneducated in safe gun handling. The biased prejudices of a few people who do not like guns should not be enforceable upon innocent and law-abiding residents of the County. I should have the same right to practice my :freedoms as any other person that lives in this county. The great ml\iority attending this hearing are against the No Shooting Areas ordinance revisions. How can the desires of only a few that create a petition over-rule the desires of the other hundreds that live in this county? . . ,. ....( \ .. 11. I ask the Commissioners to really put a lot of deep consideration into this issue and to represent ALL of the people of this C01Ulty equally and fairly. That is the job that you were elected to perform, as you well know. You have all done some really good work in your tenns and I ask you to please do not make a mistake now. Don't make a mistake because of pressure of only a few. Please put deep consideration into what the majority wants. The majority should rule, not the 25%. And clearly the majority is present in this room tonight. Please listen to us and don't let us down. Thank you very much for you time and consideration, Lee Ann Hightower ~.z60 Hf\SI1~"-S Av~. kJ. f 0 tt 1"' T o~IJS'C ,.;70, LJ~ 'i ~ 361> cc : 1t~~ ~s iild:J.lcro Leslie Locke Page 1 of 1 From: RODNEY BLOWER [rodneyblower@verizon.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 5:55 PM To: Lorna Delaney Subject: Shooting bans Dear Mr. Commissioner Johnson: I have recently have read that Jefferson County is possibly considering banning shooting in certain areas of the county. I realize that this is possibly being driven by those who are non-hunters, and it is being pushed in the name of safety. However, to my knowledge there as never been a safety problem or issue in your county. Hunting, and shooting sports have a very valuable history in our country. It is one of the rights that our founding fathers worked very hard in make sure was protected. I am myself a bowhunter and understand how some areas close to high populations should be limited to Archery and or Black powder usage. There are many cities back east in very populated areas that have kept shooting limited to archery only because deer are such a problem and wildlife management heavily relies on hunting. These areas are much more populated than your county but hunting and shooting sports are paramount to our history and our rights. I want to make it very clear that I do not support any banning of any type of shooting in the proposed areas. I have hunted in Jefferson County several times. I also spend several days in Jefferson County as a tourist. I make 2-3 trips into Port Townsend every year and also shop at some of my favorite nurseries in your county. However if these new regulations are enacted, I will not come back to your county for shopping or travel. I hope that all sportsman and people who love the outdoors as much as I do feel the same way. So I hope that you are not taking these possible bans seriously, as I do enjoy your area. But, I feel that I can not financially support a County by spending money there, when such decisions might be made. Thank-you very much Rodney Blower Duvall Wa. 11/22/2006 c: e -. :) ,^ec ~ ~f 1\ 1;):2 Jde Page 1 of 1 Leslie Locke From: Sent: To: AI Scalf Wednesday, November 22, 2006 11 :22 AM Leslie Locke '~~ID ~ ft, ~;.i4 Subject: FW: no shooting areas Leslie For the BOCC public record, AI -----Original Message----- From: Scott Chitwood [mailto:schitwood@jamestowntribe.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 22,200611:19 AM To: AI Scalf Cc: 'Jeremy Sage' Subject: no shooting areas AI - I wanted to write and let you know our concerns regarding efforts in Jefferson County to review "no shoot area" regulations. First, to my knowledge, Tribes with hunting rights in Jefferson County have not been contacted about existing or planned "no shoot areas." Public meetings are often used to communicate the plans of County government but the Tribes are not "the public." The Tribes need to understand the County's intentions through government to government communications and discussions. Second, we are concerned about any "no shoot area" that may include public lands. In Jefferson County, like many other Counties, hunting areas for Tribal citizens are becoming increasingly limited. Constraining public lands further with "no shoot areas" serves to diminish treaty rights and we do not want to see this happen. If you would like to set up a meeting with the Klallam Tribes to discuss what Jefferson County is planning with regard to "no shoot areas" I would be happy to assist in this effort. Thank you. Scott Chitwood Natural Resources Director Jamestown S'Klallam Tribe 1033 Old Blyn Highway Sequim, WA 98382 360-681-4616 This email may contain the confidential and/or proprietary infonnation of the Jamestown S'KlalIam Tribe and Point No Point Treaty Council. If you receive this message in error, or are not the intended recipient, please erase it and notify the sender immediately. 11/2212006 ~c '1X:-q (' '.] I \1J..~Ic(" Sk(\'Y\j Page 1 of 1 Leslie Locke From: Lorna Delaney Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 11 :54 AM To: Leslie Locke Subject: FW; No shooting zone for Tri Area Lorna Delaney, Human Resource Manager Jefferson County PO Box 1220 Port Townsend, WA 98368 Ph: 360-385-9133 All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Jefferson County e-mail system and may be subject to Public Disclosure under Chapter 42.56 RCW. From: Vicki Young [mailto:vickar@cablespeed.com] sent: Wednesday, November 22,200610:11 AM To: Lorna Delaney Subject: Re: No shooting zone for Tri Area Dear Sirs, To avoid any possible bullying by the NRA at a public meeting on "no shooting zones" I am resorting to an email. I am not anti-gun but feel a victim of a ridiculous exception of the Tri Area from the list of no shooting zones in the county. Since moving to the Port Hadlock Heights subdivision in 2000 we have been subjected to very loud large caliber semiautomatic gunfire on Elkins Rd until fairly recently. In addition I have been playing golf at the Discovery Bay Golf Course when the staff had to pursue poachers on the property while we were playing on the course. Maybe my next worry will be Mr. D'Amico lobbing rockets across the bay near the course for practice. Keeping in mind that staying in power puts you in a delicate position on this, please don't do too much dodging on the issue. The Sheriff should be able to recommend no shooting areas in the County based on public safety and the number of complaints registered with the Department when shooting is getting too close to inhabited areas. How the County determines how to declare or rescind these no shooting zones should not be determined by the NRA advocates as their paranoia seems excessive. Where did common sense go in all this???? Thank you for considering my opinion. Vicki Young 342 Port Hadlock Hts. Rd, Port Hadloc, WA 98339 360-379-4977 11/22/2006 .. <:.c :1?\~~;ff] II/.J.J.)OG Page 1 of 1 Leslie Locke From: David Sullivan Sent: Wednesday, November 22,20063:51 PM To: Leslie Locke Subject: FW: no shoot zones From: Harvey Putterman[SMTP:HARK@OLVPEN.COM] Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 3:50:34 PM To: David Sullivan Subject: no shoot zones Auto forwarded by a Rule Dear David, The time is ripe for the commissioner's to investigate other options for adopting no shoot zones. This ongoing controversy has been at an impasse far too long and has caused undue hardships for those whose rights of privacy as well as safety have been invaded. Sincerely, Harvey Putterman 11/22/2006 ?'~ ~'. Page 1 of 1 '. Leslie Locke From: David Sullivan Sent: Wednesday, November 22,20069:31 PM To: Leslie Locke Subject: FW: Did you receive our letter? From: Alan and Sandy Rawson[SMTP:RAWSON@WAYPOINT.COM] Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 9:31 :00 PM To: David Sullivan Cc: Mike Brasfield Subject: Did you receive our letter? Auto forwarded by a Rule Dear David, Did you receive our letter to the commissioners regarding no-shoot zoning process? (do we need to send in a hard copy?) And are we as vastly out numbered in opinion as the press on the recent meetings suggests? (maybe we weren't the only ones who didn't feel like being pressed into a room full of the NRA mob) Did we miss the opportunity to bring our concern to the commissioners by not standing at the meeting? Is there any hope that process revamping will move forward and we can consider the tri-area for no shoot zoning with our public input, if needed? Please give us a call, if you get a chance. 379-3449 -or send a note back. Thanks, Alan and Sandy Rawson A copy of our is letter attached. 11/2712006 ..I . 1., ' \. Alan and Sandy Rawson 10318 Rhody Drive Chimacum, W A 98325 360379-34491 rawson@waypoint.com 11/17/06 Jefferson County Board of Commissioners P.O. Box 1220 Port Townsend, W A 98368 Dear Commissioners Sullivan, Johnson, and Rogers, This letter is written regarding the proposed changes to the county ordinance describing the process for establishing no shoot zones within Jefferson County. First, let us recap our personal experience with this issue affecting our interest in the process. We moved to Chimacum in the summer of 2004. Our new house is situated on 7.5 acres that is fairly narrow, north to south. Including a half acre shared driveway easement, the lot extends lengthwise from SR 19 to Chimacum Creek, and the principal section is located behind Peninsula Insurance. In the purchase process, we carefully examined aspects that would affect our life and comfort here, and hunting and shooting in the 5 acre wetland area bordering to the south was of major concern. The house was built to take full advantage of its southern exposure, with full view. In our environmental study period, before closing on the house purchase, we asked repeatedly and were assured by the former owners that nearby shooting and hunting would not be a problem. The parallel 7.5 acre lot to the south including the wetland area was owned by their daughter. In the unlikely event that anyone showed up to shoot, we could simply ask them to leave. Shooting and hunting was a rare occurrence, we were told. The first year was completely free of shooting on the wetland property. In the surrounding area, gun fire could be heard occasionally, but would never last longer than 15 minutes at a property on the other side of the valley and wouldn't involve more than a half dozen shots in the distant, unseen wetland areas during duck season. That completely changed when the grandson and wife of the former owners of our property neared completion of their house on the adjoining property with the wetland. Their house is on the embankment alongside SR 19, and at the bottom of the embankment they have an old lean-to shed that they've started using for launching clay pigeons. They seem to view this as the head of an ideal shooting range, a narrow corridor to contain their shot, 1200 ft deep and just a few hundred feet wide. (" " .. c. They initiated their practice range with just under 3 hours of continuous shooting on January 1st this year. 5 pickup trucks were parked on their hillside with a sizable gathering of cheering onlookers, and up to 3 shooters firing in volleys. There must have been almost 400 rounds fired that afternoon. The new neighbors knew of our feelings about shooting, and we felt their event was as much a response to an earlier phone conversation with us on the subject as it was a celebration of their new home. -This is LOUD shooting and we are well within range and not far off of their aim. Since that day, there have been at least 5 subsequent shooting sessions, 1.5 to 3 hours each before summer. There was also active duck hunting. Two birds were shot and necks wrung 300 feet in front of our living room window on a Sunday afternoon in February. Most recently (last week), 2 young men showed up at our neighbor's property, discharged three large bore rounds and took off with haste. They don't live there and I don't believe were accompanied by our neighbor. I do suspect they were friends (I think: I recognized the car) and their discharge would probably be approved. But the whole incident struck us as being daring and testing; the current law gives us no recourse. In response we have been in contact with Commissioner Sullivan, Sheriff Brasfield, and surrounding neighbors since the new year. Neighbor reaction was mixed as to personal feelings and degree of action needed. Old time residents recognize that the area has changed from what it was 25 years ago; it is no longer felt to be a wide open rural space, issues of peace and safety are more obvious. A feeling of hypocrisy would prevent them from petition signing since they had the freedom to shoot earlier but now didn't feel like listening to it anymore. However, they would not actively oppose the establishment of a no shoot zone in this area, preferring not to get involved in public debate. There is also the feeling from other people we talked to, just as close and equally upset as we are, that signing a petition would have a detrimental backlash on their business since a number of their customers are assumed to be avid no-shoot opponents. It should be mentioned that we also have a business, giving music lessons. And students sometime walk the full length of our driveway from Rhody Drive, passing within 60 feet of where the shooting takes place. Weare very concerned that our students may be exposed to this while on foot. There is fear and risk involved and this is sure to have a negative impact on our business with serious potential liability. There has already been one occasion when shooting was going on during a class session with 10 students. This brings me to specific points of draft changes to your process. A petition is a sensitive issue, and it is not easy for many people to simply sign on. The bullying efforts of those who confuse issues of process with their right to gun ownership, and who circle their wagons and show up to meetings in large numbers, have an intimidating effect. This is no longer the wild west where the loudest voice in a crowd should sway and prevail. t- ~. ',~. ~, ."f Sheriff Brasfield is very sensitive to our concerns and is to be commended for his careful consideration and willingness to take a stance. His professional opinion, as well as those of others included in the current proposed wording, should hold an important place in initiating the public hearing process as well as in making a final determination. At the same time, the new petition wording calling for 25% of registered voters from within the proposed zoning area, opposed to the original required 10 signatures, puts serious limitations on how citizens can bring their issue before the commissioners and request a hearing. We urge you not to make this drastic a change in that part of the process (8.50.040, section I-a). But PLEASE go ahead with your draft wording for 8.50.040, section l-b & c that would allow the sheriff, county commissioners, and county departments to request a hearing based on population density and public safety. When the time comes, we will stand and give our arguments for a tri area no shoot ban. But public speaking of our own experience would be very intimidating and secondary to what you are considering at the moment. Having lived most of our lives in North Dakota, we are no strangers to rural ways. People there are also known for their love of the outdoors and enthusiasm for firearms, but never did we hear of the blatant insensitivities to nearby residents as we've been subjected to here. We look forward to hearing of your process determination and moving forward toward a more peaceful community. Thank you for your consideration, Alan and Sandy Rawson cc: Mike Brasfield, John Fischbach Leslie Locke From: Sent: To: Subject: Roger Pick [pick@olympus.net] Thursday, November 30, 2006 11 :05 PM Lorna Delaney No Shooting Proposal... ~~, I support your proposal to make changes in the ordinance governing no shooting zones in the county. I would hope a final version would placate and make clear to the opposition that the entire county will not become a no shooting area as a result of your changes-- that is, unless people who would like to remove constraints limiting uncontrolled growth are so successful that the county's population increases unchecked and without regard to principles of growth management and we find ourselves living in a county that no longer has vast areas of public and private land suitable for hunting that are safely away from population centers and residential development. Roger Pick pick@olympus.net 1 Leslie Locke From: Sent: To: Subject: Carol Hardy [chardy@olympus.net] Thursday, November 30,200611 :35 PM Lorna Delaney No Shooting Ordinance ~!'! Consider this email an indication of my support for your proposed changes to the no shooting zone ordinance. Carol Hardy chardy@olympus.net 1 ct: ~'D . ~(' --; 'll~' \Olq 3 'ne,(' \ T't" ) November 18, 2006 Jefferson County Commissioners PO Box 1220 Port Townsend, WA 98368 ~ " Gentlemen: We support the counties' proposal on establishing a no shooting zone in our neighborhood in Port Ludlow. This is an area where sportsmen may think they're deep in the woods when, in fact, they are in a residential neighborhood. And it's a neighborhood with many homes plus a protected habitat for herons and eagles. My wife and I own a home on 440 Seven Sisters Road and we agree that our neighborhood should be a no shooting zone. Si~~t~ Stephen Elliott 440 Seven Sisters Rd Port Ludlow, WA 98365 Temporary CA address: 2932 Biddleford Dr San Ramon, CA 94583