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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPC Transcript 2023-04-0517:32:15 I'm starting to meet with a Matt. Richard Hull. 17:32:28 Yeah. 17:32:33 Ly. Richard Lby's here, and. 17:32:37 How are you, Alan? 17:32:41 And Lorna that you wouldn't be here, and Chris, if you haven't. 17:32:50 Is that right? I didn't know if there was a meeting, and she said to please send her the agenda. 17:32:56 There is a meeting, and I did, and I gave her also the link. 17:33:05 To the agenda minutes, or they are 5 place. So I'm missing. 17:33:12 Kevin, and then Mike they're still missing. 17:33:17 Chris, did Kevin and me contact you? No we don't even have a plan. 17:33:26 We do? Okay? So we'll head to the next agenda. 17:33:31 Item, are there any concerns about the agenda? 17:33:36 And we have some minutes to approve. There are some that copy. 17:33:44 The minutes you have are incorrect Cindy has made some changes which have been incorporated in your last minutes. 17:33:52 Also the benefits indicate are incorrect in that. 17:34:01 Alright! 17:34:06 There was only one few daps in. Okay, you you you that. 17:34:10 Yes, last night, right? Yes, and Chris was also. 17:34:19 Okay, okay, I will change those. And then next item is a plan commission updates. 17:34:43 I don't know if this is a place to talk about it, but I have. 17:34:53 I guess I don't know if it's a planning commissioner, or as the the president of the Home Building. 17:34:59 So Jeffrey is kind of home on the Association, have been working with Dcd. 17:35:06 And the county administer to try to come up with some solutions. 17:35:13 That, or to try to come up with some ideas. 17:35:16 If there's any any possible avenues that the DC. 17:35:22 Hasn't looked at for speeding up some of the process with with the legal lot of records in and the Development Review, and I think at this point I've sent through 5 different meetings over since. 17:35:37 Last December, and I'm getting I gotta be careful how I go about this. 17:35:45 But I'm getting really concerned with Dcd. Because and I'm not trying to harp on either. But you know Dcd's lost 20% of your workforce since the first year 47 now, reporting some more recent presentation. 17:36:04 You had so Dcd. Has had is having a Max. 17:36:08 Mass. Exodus of personnel, which, of course, then just puts more burden on the personnel that are still there, and you know we've been trying to look at. 17:36:19 Come up with ways that maybe Dcd. Could could look at some of the things that they're looking at and streamline some of that. 17:36:26 And to to get the especially the legal auto record in the Sdr. 17:36:32 Process going quicker, so that we don't have such a backlash. 17:36:36 We, the backlog is getting worse and not better by percentage, and as time goes on, that's not a good thing. 17:36:47 And so, and again, I'm you know I'm not here to complain directly. 17:36:54 Dcd, that's that's you know. 17:36:56 We've we, the Home Building Association and Means Planning commission have only tried to come up with with maybe some different avenues, somebody to look at or see why the process is doing what it's doing. 17:37:11 And so far. Oh, I don't think anything that's really come about. 17:37:18 I know that the last meeting we had with the county administrator. 17:37:25 He was actually going to look at the Sdr. And try to see if there was a way to if you've got a big block in area, let's say, Kate, George or Wooden Hills, or some of the bigger developments color point that it could streamline that the process could be 17:37:42 streamlined, some to know that, you know. Yeah, these things are gonna fly. 17:37:45 Let's not look at them under a microscope. 17:37:48 So one of the other possibilities. There was talk about bringing in some contract help. 17:37:54 But there may be some hurdles, according to the the Union agreement that the county, since, from what I'm told, they don't know the Union agreement. But so they're trying to look at some of those things to see if there's some way that the process can be. 17:38:11 Expedited. It's put it that way. So what we mainly as the Homebilling Association are looking at is the fact that as this process gets mired up worse and worse, the amount of time it's just gonna keep increasing the point where but you know we even get concerned, that people will 17:38:30 start to build with that permits, and which you know we are. 17:38:37 We're somewhat seasonal here, so you know, people have to be under the rely on if they've got a regular limit to be able to get in and get it out within reasonable amount, and I know there's movement at the State level to also try to speed up the process through building 17:38:51 departments. I think as a whole through the State, and which could really severely impact our our accounting building department because of the time that it's taking to get things sort of so so anyway, it'll it's gonna be an interesting thing. 17:39:06 But I just kinda wanted to bring you all up the speed on this and kind of let you know what was happening, because I get a lot of questions about, why is this taking so long? 17:39:18 What is happening with Dcd and I get a lot of that maintenance. 17:39:23 So, and then a lot of people know I'm here to but it's perceived as some kind of a better conduit to do. 17:39:34 But anyway, I just wanted to let you all know. 17:39:36 Thanks. Alding. Yeah. I just wanna add on to what I'd be said. 17:39:41 I didn't realize we'd lost another. Yeah. 47. 17:39:47 This is, I mean, this is a 5 alarm fire, and I think I think we make it clear every time we talk about this, that we're really talking to the Board of County Commissioners, because we know that you guys are all just surviving day-to-day and you know we've been saying to 17:40:02 the Board of County Commissioners for the entire 8 years that I've been on the. 17:40:08 This is a disaster, and it keeps the disaster just keeps getting worse, and they need to. 17:40:14 They need to solve this, and they, the counties department of community development, needs to stop being the training ground for all the jurisdictions that everybody both do and leave behind the people who either care. 17:40:28 Maybe too much, or you know what, for whatever the reasons are left you for saying. 17:40:35 But it really is. I mean, I know that new employees are training. 17:40:38 That's terrible. So I we appreciate you and what you're going through, and we try to speak every chance we can. 17:40:45 And we literally don't have that. So, anyway, I just wanted to clarify that. 17:40:51 I think you know it whenever we complain. It's not to you. 17:40:55 It's and maybe it's time to go visit the Commissioner. 17:41:01 I tried that a week ago, and so far I've got no answer whatsoever. 17:41:07 I think you want to probably go ahead and move a heavy agenda. 17:41:09 With this pretty clear problem I guess I could make a quick announcement. 17:41:16 Yes, please. I just tried to provide more support to Joe, answering questions about details, ideas, just, you know, looking up Federal codes and making long lists of how different agencies look at different terms. 17:41:34 And again, there's a document of the call plan and the Growth Management Act that selects out the potentially relevant text that might support that does support what we're doing. 17:41:48 It's a lot of text. So like it's highlighted according to different fields of interesting. 17:41:54 So just in case, you see that you know what I did, just trying to be helpful. 17:42:00 I didn't write any of this. The code and I mean our plan. 17:42:05 And from the wall that supports our efforts. 17:42:08 Thanks. Man. Alright. Pauline. 17:42:11 Yeah, thank you. I just wanted to share that last week. 17:42:18 Many of us in the community. We're part of a strategic planning survey for the county, and from the voc and they asked a lot of questions, and I think one of the things that I said very clearly was that I was serving on planning Commission, that the biggest challenge 17:42:40 I have is with being short of staff and short of money constantly, since I've been here, that what we send people to them with great ideas and great plans, and we have been doing that it's they say, no, instead of how can we help you do this this is great for the 17:43:01 county, and that they need deskately need resources. And I think that what I heard was I was not the only one who made that comment. 17:43:09 So the bocc is and will be made aware of the challenge and how the community feels about. 17:43:20 Good thanks, Arlene, absolutely different nature, but I also included that comment on my response to that survey. 17:43:30 So I know that you weren't the only one. 17:43:34 There is a a a conference next to next Friday. Not this. 17:43:39 Friday, April fourteenth, at the American Legion, called one day Transportation Conference for decision makers, planners, engineers, and Academics from 9 to fourth American Legion. 17:43:49 I plan to attend at least half a day, but I'm curious who from Dcd. 17:43:56 Is going to be there, Joe, do you know? 17:44:00 No, that hasn't been discussed for coverage, and I had written down thought it was something. 17:44:11 If the American isn't planning, April starts to 14. 17:44:14 Thank you. Event, right? 17:44:18 Yeah. The the transportation planners would be coming from public works. 17:44:26 And then, as far as it incorporates into your comprehensive plan, I wouldn't even want to attend, but I didn't have it on my calendar. 17:44:37 Okay. Thanks. Thank. 17:44:45 We're good for that. Again, a topic I buy with Dcd staff and director updates. 17:44:52 Yes, I just make this note here to go ahead and emailing me the link. 17:44:59 So thank you. And and the desk, and Chris is still hoping to join. 17:45:03 I message, okay, okay. So I guess the news from Dcd is, we had some additional residations and. 17:45:16 We, as the planning part of the staff, are pretty bare bones, and. 17:45:24 For example, and I might not be the best spokesperson for this. 17:45:27 We have a couple of planners here in the room tonight that work on those site development reviews and the Monk and the current Planning project Reviews. 17:45:37 But I think we had a number that we were calculating today that. 17:45:44 We have 389 permits in our queue right now, with 4 people to cover them. 17:45:55 So that's becoming. Now 97 per person. And if we lose additional staff, and then, of course, there are just the cases. 17:46:06 The assistant planner for that, and that is for the for assistant planners. 17:46:10 Each have 97, 1, 2, 5 in cases, I think it was perfectly even. 17:46:16 So that doesn't even. 17:46:23 The jurisdiction next door pays so much better and they don't have such a problem. 17:46:27 Why stick it out here? Yeah. So that's that's the 100%. 17:46:33 Yeah, and so I've also been alright. Hope to consider that because of the workload that I may not be able to help the planning commission as much as I would, and I I am concerned about that, because this is since the project that the planning Commission has brought forward since 2019 17:47:00 and it's right to act on it because of. 17:47:08 What the legislature is trying to do for housing and the county is willing to do for housing and I think it's it's a good time to consider how this pickup forward, but it does take a lot of research and help. Matt's been. 17:47:23 Very helpful with research that we probably be looking at tonight. 17:47:29 Some of that, and. 17:47:32 Yeah, and of course, I've got to keep things moving forward for the for the process. 17:47:39 For example, the next meeting, April nineteenth will be a public hearing. 17:47:44 I am going to be out of town on April nineteenth, but Josh will be here, and Auburn will be here. 17:47:51 And we'll provide Richard with the text to the formal text form, but running a hearing, and that hearing will be on our suggested text amendments to coverrehensive plan and unified development code. 17:48:09 So those are the 2 that we're discussing. Udc. 17:48:14 Amendments and the housing amendments. The other 3 proposals that we got the site specific zoning, rezoning proposals from the public go through the process regardless so they hearing is going to be on the suggested text amendments and the the question we're asking the 17:48:33 public? Is are these worthy to be on our final docket, that the Board ultimately approves? 17:48:42 So just kind of foreshadowing the next meeting. 17:48:46 We'll be hearing testimony from the public about the value of the amendments that we're considering that we're suggesting. 17:48:55 And then Dcd. Writes this stat record again, which has those criteria that are in our code in chapter 1845, that ask, are these relevant and timely? 17:49:09 Are these? Do these support with the Growth Management Act? And is there? 17:49:14 Are there resources in community development to carry these through? 17:49:19 And that's like Cynthia was mentioning. 17:49:22 That's where the. 17:49:27 Compound keeps coming into my mind. But that's not it. 17:49:31 That's where the realization that the resources aren't available to carry a large project through the process comes to bear against the reality of what we can do. 17:49:42 But I think there, I think we've got by the pre planning that we've done these last couple of meetings in developing this housing concept of a housing overlay and cluster or dispersed housing or congregate housing trying to get more people 17:50:01 on a parson. Residential land at the same and less impact it is. We've got it pretty well fleshed out enough, anyway, for the board to consider it, and and that's for us to make a strong proposal that this should be on this year's agenda so 17:50:23 I'm kind of going across the board on my staff update. 17:50:28 But the so to recap the main message is, we've got some emergency staffing issues and the immediate ways we're addressing. It is trying to think of ways we might lower our workload by not doing some things also sending out. 17:50:51 Request for qualifications for a third party project. Readers and. 17:51:01 Help me if I'm forgetting something and creating positions in a reorganization of Dcd. 17:51:11 Looking at how to fill the vacancies, and maybe changing some of the duties in various positions. 17:51:19 So we're kind of taking a mix of what we can do now versus what needs board approval and kind of a longer term process, and that and how that affects the planning commission work. 17:51:34 We don't yet know. I'm going full steam ahead, though I feel I'm prepared for tonight because of all of the extra things going on. 17:51:44 But I hope to show you in our discussion the scheduling for this 2023 Amendment 2024 Amendment cycle, and what we need to do as a planning agency to prepare for the 2025 periodic review and how we really need to get 17:52:08 started now on that and so we don't have. We've got yeah, limited resources and limited staff, but we don't have a lot of time to waste on our state mandated responsibilities. 17:52:23 So I just kinda wanted to make that argument to to you and to my superiors as well. 17:52:31 That what we're doing here and planning commission is very important, and we've got to keep this train on the tracks because we've got 3 planning years coming along concurrently. 17:52:43 And so that's my an overall big picture. 17:52:50 Oh! Left the administrative position and no. On Friday, where they went to the city and that's not stays on Friday. No, no! 17:53:13 Where they went to the city but her last day was today. 17:53:15 He went to Bainbridge. 17:53:18 Would it be helpful to have more volunteer support of the year? 17:53:22 Yes, I mean, we could find more people. Why, smart people, I think through the subcommittees, you have the ability to to kinda task force on certain things. 17:53:36 But also the drawback of that is, not having DC. 17:53:41 In, the, the driver's seat, and directing what we need. 17:53:45 But we've done pretty good with communicating and keeping the alignment on what we did for our projects. 17:53:54 Following instructions. 17:53:58 Just really, quickly, I I think it's really important that we finish this. 17:54:04 What we're doing tonight and send it on with the voc. 17:54:09 Because I think if we attempt to keep ourselves small, when we don't have any power to fix the situation there, I think they need to see the full scope of what we're trying to do, and let them look at what that means. 17:54:26 And make that decision. So, rather than us try to curve ourselves. 17:54:32 I'd like to ask Arlene, whether you're committed to impacted by this. 17:54:38 This problem. Yeah, you're so familiar. 17:54:42 So yes, sure we we've been sort of sidetracked a lot, and I think the projects that we were helping to market and push forward are just on hold stock plans is going nowhere, and and it needs to. 17:55:07 So yeah, I think everything's been impacted by this. 17:55:10 And and it's a very public facing challenge right now. 17:55:20 Hey! One! 17:55:16 People know that there's a challenge. It's discussed in history. 17:55:24 One final thought is that we look at updating the comp plan. 17:55:32 It's really important to also implement the prior, because this, that's what we're doing is we're like trying to implement something from 2016 common cycle. 17:55:46 And so, if anybody thinks that it should be low priority, it's helpful to mention that it's part of the complimenting process to implement it too. 17:56:00 And then again, but it's a perfect it without implementing. 17:56:07 It seems like a lot of priority, even though State mandate. 17:56:16 You should be easier this time. Well, it's staff update is complete. 17:56:25 Yes, so move on public comment, and we do have. It's a public who may wish to comment. And I see one is that Alan, show up. 17:56:39 Yeah. Yes. Yeah. And much time for me to talk. 17:56:46 Yes. 17:56:47 Yup, okay, yes, I'm Marilyn show Walter and I live at 1, 5, 9, 6, Shine road, and I am here to urge the commission to take up and move on with the shoreline master program. 17:57:06 It's been almost 2 years since there was a public hearing with this commission on its draft. 17:57:15 Smp, and most of that time since since that public hearing and substantial good work. 17:57:24 By this commission most of that time the draft has spent at the Department of Ecology almost a year. 17:57:30 There which was way longer than the the the rule making suggests of 45 days, but it the Smp. 17:57:42 Has now been back from a the department of Ecology to the Commission for 6 months, and it's just time the I'm listening with a lot of sensitivity to your to the the workload issues. 17:58:02 But the Department of Ecology requires that in their comments required a dozen doesn't require changes. 17:58:14 That's not that much, for to pass on. Meanwhile, the as they sat on this for a long time, there's 35, or 40 recommended changes. 17:58:26 Those changes are not required, and I think to go through them all is, gonna take you time. 17:58:34 But it would be possible to speed this along by focusing on the required changes, meaning what the department of college will accept. 17:58:45 If this commission forwards, it's on on to the board of County Commissioners, and they approve it so it can be done. 17:58:52 I think, relatively efficiently. If you take a look at it. 17:58:57 The last smp was adopted by the Board of County Commissioners in 2,014. 17:59:03 So we're coming up on a decade, which again is way longer than the anticipated review. 17:59:10 In the meantime, of course, the weaknesses and loopholes that were identified in the current smp have continued, and they are being used and exploited. 17:59:23 So really there is no good coming of just not taking this up and adopting what the Department of Technology requires, and moving it along. 17:59:39 And I. I sympathize with the workload that you have in the county has. 17:59:45 But I really do hope that you can take. Take a look at it and see how you might move it along. Thank you. 17:59:53 And we're here alright! The housing solutions network. 18:00:12 Oh, Liz Kelsey or Eric, from House's exclusions network, you can go and make a comment. 18:00:28 Thanks. 18:00:25 No, thank you. Hi, yeah. Just listening in in preparation for the nineteenth to know if there's any comments that we can make them. 18:00:35 Okay, thanks. Thank you. So we're looks like we are done with our kind of messages. 18:00:45 We have no percent agenda today pass that item to. 18:00:56 To agenda. Item number 8. Regular business. The workshop, I said. 18:01:02 Jim have a text amendments for 2,023. 18:01:09 Internet. 18:01:32 There's Chris! 18:01:51 Okay, brought up the application for housing overlay and find my way around this, you know. 18:02:10 Yeah, and I just wanted to review with you what the application looks like. 18:02:16 And some of the materials that Nat and the Housing Subcommittee have developed, and then I think we could at the chairs approval. 18:02:30 Go into some of the homework. If anyone had specifically goals and policies that you wanted to pull out, Matt sent me a number of them that we could go through as a kind of a starting point, and our objective would be to pull out some of the findings. 18:02:57 Supportive materials that support this application, and. 18:03:04 We also have a checklist completed, so we could go through that. 18:03:10 But I think that's probably so. 18:03:15 Then we have something else on Udc. Lining in line out. 18:03:22 I've been working, starting to work on that it might be helpful to go through that list with the planning commission. 18:03:28 As tedious as that might become with the script or errors and things that we want to correct. 18:03:35 But there are some items that just want to let you know what we've got on that docket, and what we you would be involved in working on for the Udc. 18:03:46 List, so I think at this point I'm kind of asking, too, for feedback from how you'd like to go through looking at where we are with the application and going into the Udc. 18:04:02 Part of of our amendment. 18:04:06 Nice good procedural question. So I see something up in the on there that says final. 18:04:17 The tech. The file name is spinal. Yeah, this. 18:04:21 I had a number of revisions that I wanted, the provision not done. 18:04:29 Okay. But we I didn't see that come through to us. 18:04:34 This is maybe a laser fish packet of material for that amendment documents. 18:04:43 I didn't see that, and I don't see it in the document. 18:04:48 Any other documents. I'm not able to get into laserfish. 18:04:54 If we don't have it, we don't have it so there's nothing about that now. 18:05:00 It sounds like I didn't miss it, and it's still in progress. 18:05:08 And that's what we're doing. So I, the Joel, right there, broadly. 18:05:15 2 choices, this meeting to continue one first is considering the specific items for our attendance, and Matt, perhaps could lead that, since he has some ideas on that second was about the Udc. 18:05:30 Changes, and we've been down that road a couple of years years ago. 18:05:34 The planning commission had been through that Lancashire is cold, and I thought the bottom line was that we like them all, ended a couple of that maybe I'll just talk about. 18:05:47 So if there's only differences, we would look at them otherwise straight. 18:05:50 You're on your own on it. We don't say we liked it. 18:05:53 Okay. Alright. Well, sounds good. 18:06:03 So so he wouldn't introduce that again. So this is new. 18:06:07 This. This is, this is, let's take a look at our application for housing amendment, and. 18:06:17 Exhibit A is a description of the proposed text for the comprehensive plan, or Udc. 18:06:23 Amendment, and I put in some text, the specific text is not developed at this point is yet to be determined. 18:06:34 But that's part of this process is to go through the research for that. 18:06:39 So, Joe, yeah, if you look at the screen we're missing a little piece of it. 18:06:46 And I could see out of that corner. 18:06:52 That should be that now it is so. The participants are still here. 18:07:04 We cannot see that. I'll try and keep an eye out in 21 races. 18:07:07 Their hand. Thank you, is growth and development envisioned in the comprehensive plan occurring faster or slower I think it's occurring about the same rate that 1% annually that we have considered. 18:07:25 And the the question is about the capacity of the county to provide adequate services diminished or increased, and I think the capacity, of the county to provide services is considered in how we're going to set up this overlay the overlay would not be 18:07:41 applicable to those areas that are devoid of services, or I can't otherwise do this. 18:07:48 And so what we been thinking about this last a week or 2 is how the comprehensive plan supports this. 18:07:58 I've written the comprehensive plan considers the need for innovative solutions to housing availability in a portability. 18:08:05 They're also good, attempts by State Legislature to address housing issues within proposed amendments to Gma, and so this demonstrates the climate, it's more amenable to putting accommodate more people in on rural parsons, and so these are just the kinds of 18:08:24 findings that we would start to develop and build where vital ordinance as well. 18:08:31 So we don't have changes in our vision statement or county wide attitudes. 18:08:38 I think we're agreeing and let me know if there's some other opinions that you hear from your communities and changes in circumstances dictated them in need for amendment. 18:08:51 Well, yes, housing needs have been an issue for some time that this is, I didn't know what to say. 18:08:56 Crescendo. What these circumstances? And so this is also how we're building the project I sold out that finding, saying and it occurred to me that one of the circumstances that become very cute, since the the compound is it hiring it been very difficult 18:09:16 the companies can't get employees. Because boys can't afford them. 18:09:20 Live here, I guess it's important to finding it's new has changed. 18:09:27 Yeah, I think you're right. I think it was happening then. 18:09:29 But I think it's much worse now. 18:09:34 So, and ironically, the the pandemic, I think, allowed a lot of people who can afford to live here. 18:09:46 Choose work somewhere else and live here because it's more accepted to work remotely, which is put even more pressure on. 18:09:54 I thought that was beautifully put in the outside magazine piece sent out by Liz from the housing Solutions network. 18:10:02 That outside magazine piece set amazing description of how that happened. 18:10:10 And just like us, you know, like under threat. In 2017, and then and then so web! 18:10:21 It is possible that this proposed contemplates policies that aren't addressed in Gma. 18:10:28 So we're acknowledging that. 18:10:30 We want to redefine or help Gma. Consider this. 18:10:36 That is using performance standards versus the straight dwelling in us per acre at determining what the housing capacity running unit yield or holding capacity is of a parson, and the text in blue is that which was provided last time. 18:10:55 So I won't go through all that. But these are also the required findings that come from the application form that come from our 1845. 18:11:08 Well, 50 in a way, though, that require gma findings, and then the overall explanation of why they amendment being proposed, you saw that last time, as well. 18:11:22 So then we are. That is the application and then, as an attachment exhibit A is the project description. 18:11:33 And we developed this last time. Try to recall. This was part of a document that was handed out last time about some of the items we're trying to address. 18:11:47 And in our proposals. 18:11:52 So we're trying to incentivize cluster developments or look at the way we can measure and regulate multiple families on a single family residential type of parcel. 18:12:12 Sounds good alright for the ability. Tools considered performance standards, are they included in that? 18:12:18 Or does that need to be mentioned separately? I mean as a concept? 18:12:24 Okay, let's take a look at this. 18:12:34 And we add another one that was in our original project. Description is 11 here. 18:12:41 This was satellite bedrooms. 18:12:51 So we could also. 18:12:56 Put in here. This design, so alternative would be. 18:13:02 Portability, metrics or Majors. Patrick, it seems okay to keep it, general, it's like a policy decision that might but change or could be many ways. 18:13:17 To achieve it could be. 18:13:20 Could be different for a different project. 18:13:26 Okay, great. That's good. Encourage. Thank you. 18:13:32 Or you can get track of our meeting. If you want. 18:13:39 So I'm going to just leave this, and then let's open up same of Matt's work. 18:14:00 That document with a color coded comprehensive plan goals and policies that apply to this proposal. 18:14:10 This document is like everything in order, I mean, it's going through the 350 page plans grown out. 18:14:18 Once you have a plan. Okay, just let me back up as a step here, too. 18:14:23 We. 18:14:25 Matt had gone through the Federal definitions from different agencies and programs for the definition of the family, and as we look through definitions of family so I had a diagram. 18:14:42 But it's probably not here, but we can see how there is a comment in here that I wanted to highlight, but that the Federal programs have rested on a very basic definition of family. 18:15:00 Very simple definition of by blood or affinity. 18:15:03 People who are related by blood or affinity, and anytime that an agency tried to define it by example. 18:15:14 Well, we want to also include the family members of someone who is there as a worker at in that household, or we want to include domestic partners. 18:15:31 So whatever program it was, it was as if the bet, the more more you define it, the more you exclude. 18:15:37 So finally, the Federal level was saying, let's just define it by related by blood or affinity, and that affinity can be a number of things. 18:15:49 And so these familial relationships and female bonds are really between the bonded people and the more we try to define it, the more excluding. 18:16:01 In our code. Our definition is up to 5 unrealated individuals is kind of the maximum number of assemblage you can have under a family but in following these guidelines we can see that a lot of federal agencies have struggled with this and there's 18:16:26 I think acknowledgement of a different society. 18:16:30 Yeah, in the United States. Then there was even 20 years ago, and some documentation of the 19 eighties, the changes that were made to include something brand new, like domestic partners of the like. The man was like dominant, like the man was like dominant like a yeah, and so it was a really deliberate. Choice. 18:16:56 I think in 1983. So that's kind of one of the first things the other big changes kind of in every decade. 18:17:03 And now we're in another decade. So so this is part of the solution that that we're looking at. 18:17:09 Is well, let's redefine family in single family, residential. 18:17:14 Let's think of it more, as you know, looking at a group house. 18:17:18 What is what's the affinity of this group? 18:17:24 And today a number of things. Already we have a lot for Co houses where it might be more of an institutionalized group that shares resources. 18:17:33 But it can be. It seems to be that the way we're going culturally is that these familial groups are more loosely defined or more are maybe my grassroots are different. 18:17:49 Type of situation. That's responding to our current societal needs. 18:17:58 We can't afford a house. So we're gonna we're gonna chip together each other. 18:18:04 Yes, so there's there's a lot going on here, and I just wanted to raise that up because Matt had provided a lot of good information, and it got the juices flowing within our office and I've shared this with our planning group about the importance of updating or thinking 18:18:21 perhaps on bandwidth. Thank you. Question about 5 unrelated. 18:18:30 People in our code. So that's unrelated people. 18:18:33 But what about related people? Is there a maximum related? 18:18:38 People, so so if I've got 10 kids and 5 unrelated additional people, I'm 11 and 5 that 16 people. 18:18:51 That's fine! Joel. You have a direct answer that because you're kind of getting more detailed okay, I was just trying to understand how good it gets to. It's complicated. 18:19:02 And also there's, yeah, there's there's ways to figure it out for, like the census, whether it's the households like a study of the document I didn't want to see how everybody it's all different for every agency. 18:19:16 We discussed now, family, okay? So then, I'm going to bring up the color coded. 18:19:22 Comprehensive plan. Goals and policies and. 18:19:27 And this is not just for the application. This is our part of our research developing the proposal. 18:19:39 And this is my computer. 18:19:50 I was impressed a little affordable housing in the Land use section. 18:19:54 Hmm. Very sparse. Yeah, yeah, it's pretty. 18:20:00 We're more focused on the role field. In what in use? 18:20:06 And the general concept in affordable housing. Is that they're urban, explicit. There it was. 18:20:14 So this is a expansion. We can do that too. 18:20:18 But. 18:20:22 Okay. 18:20:26 Trying to do something better. 18:20:42 Hmm, yeah. 18:20:51 Here we go! 18:20:55 Well, and there's the one which I think. 18:21:03 And you know it's a fair point now that that's the it's good to see my code coding. Yeah, I could also meet the glass. 18:21:15 Thank you in a way that is outside of. 18:21:24 Here we go. So the show up differently on my screen. 18:21:30 So these are polling from different areas of the comprehensive plan, and to support, hey, different kind of housing, overlay. 18:21:46 And this is provided by Matt. 18:21:51 So we're going. Starting at the vision statement and if there's an area that you wanna highlight, let me know I'll kind of scroll through a bit. 18:22:01 That's all good to. I mean, we could start goals and policies. 18:22:06 If that's just your after cause, it it's 30 pages. 18:22:08 So we can kinda the skip around or go to the what's our bottom line here? What are? 18:22:14 What do we want to take off from this? We could we have a limited time. 18:22:21 Hey, group, I believe supports are the proposal. Okay? 18:22:28 Or if what we're looking through, just take the whole set and create an index. 18:22:36 That the reader can see these are pulling from there, and I thought I've done this with other projects, with the company, something that has to do with native people. 18:22:50 So I've created an index. Anything I want to find tribal issues. 18:22:55 I refer to my index. We could do the same with this portable housing and housing need to create an index as a resource for the board, and then pull out some highlights so that I guess that's what we can do. 18:23:08 What would be some key messages for the board, and then they'll have the index of all of the housing parts of the company maintaining our character will allow communities to develop and drive it's not indexing is that what you've already done that essentially or oh, it's indexing an idea that you 18:23:35 know, identifying each other. And we're to find them. 18:23:41 And that's essentially what I've done. Okay, I mean, maybe there's some things that shouldn't be in there or I don't know if it's going to happen. 18:23:51 Okay, I mean, maybe there's some things that shouldn't be in there or yeah, and is this something you could do? 18:23:55 Matt a metric instead of, instead of highlighting numbers, absolutely. 18:24:04 And we could kind of find out what Joel's talking about and get together. 18:24:08 And that way we'd get it done. Yes, sir, absolutely okay. 18:24:12 Is that okay you drove? Yes, that's great. Let's do that. 18:24:16 And so as we go down, we'll be highlighted. 18:24:18 We'll be pulling out these whips. I probably went fantastic goals and policies let's keep that in a ways that we can save your time, you know. 18:24:26 If you ever an idea for me, I might not volunteer it, but I'm willing to do that. 18:24:33 So now are we asking the Commissioners here to, as you scroll to say? 18:24:37 Yes, that's when your index, I think, mighty life doesn't get the best ones we could just like that. Preserve. See? 18:24:47 I already check my favorite ones by bold highlighting and raising font size, so that preserve robates, economies and traditional roles, so that's like the money stuff. 18:24:57 This you could tell. What I think is more important. I just made it bigger. 18:25:00 So I won't make any comments. 18:25:02 I'll let you guys go through. So, Joe, what were you about to say if I distributed this that work product to everyone I think it's been in the Housing subcommittee, or I sent it out. 18:25:15 I don't know if everybody read through it. Yeah. So. 18:25:20 Let's distribute this instead of going through it right now. 18:25:27 I find this difficult to look at right and then what we would do is, is Mark, the one we want to see it indexed, or mark the ones that you would like to pull out. 18:25:36 My index is idea was just to have a list of those and policies that are not very well, not very thoroughly annotated, but just kind of table of content. 18:25:50 Style of goals and policies that are in the order of the comprehensive plan. 18:25:54 Okay, which could just be a distillation of this list. 18:26:00 Yeah, we're getting to those. I think they're all labeled well, so we might be able to pull out. 18:26:05 Yeah, and highlighted text. Here are those that really kind of hit the hard matter. 18:26:13 And we could go and look at all of old and highlighted text tonight and see if that is okay. 18:26:19 Listen to something here. Yeah. 18:26:29 Okay, do you wanna speak to this? Where's that one that Matt had huge, huge type. 18:26:37 It he also important. You go ahead. It's above a double bit. 18:26:41 I think this is that I think that's quoting the legislature's findings. 18:26:49 Who is next page? Yeah, there it is. That's not from our top plan. 18:26:54 And that is from the vision statement. Right? Is that right? Yes, let's go to the actual compliance. 18:27:01 Okay, yeah, except we have some great language. 18:27:10 Yeah. The hard stuff wanted to make this. So we can always go to that if there's something there's a question. 18:27:18 But it's good. So this is referring to real character. 18:27:21 And this is kind of the preamble part of the comprehensive plan before the land use splits between rural urban and master plan resort. 18:27:32 And so one of the long-standing goals of Jefferson County and allies. 18:27:40 This preserve real character, that directly impact how things. So let's skip that one well, it's the selling point is that we're doing something that supports real life stops. 18:27:49 That's like, instead of playing against it. 18:27:55 So it's it's criterion that will help us with Gma. 18:28:01 To say that this overlay will help preserve real character. 18:28:10 So I'm good to move into. Was it just before that another thing about it was like a Crr type reference. 18:28:18 Encourage innovation and creativity and on site to sign and reach, planning existing land buildings, add flexibility, design, and create the multimodal transportation meeting underline. 18:28:29 That's the same requirements. That's it. Yeah, we spelled out what we wanted to do on the content. 18:28:34 28. Yeah, we left these breadcrumbs for that kind of idea. 18:28:48 What was that? I thought that was also important. The impacts relates exactly what we're doing encourage President to land use and development intensities protect the character of rural areas, resource. 18:29:01 Land uses minimize. Okay? Well, I guess that's a little bit general it's very specific here, right? 18:29:09 The best we can. You've integrated a weekly things that aren't directly in that. 18:29:19 There was something about appropriately scaled just right above 21 5.1. 18:29:27 Yeah. Rural village centers. Yeah, we need to have that. 18:29:31 And this repeats for the different rural land use areas that put fire in Pennsylvania. 18:29:38 So, there's a bunch of those. This is, yeah, let's review. I just gotta we're gonna miss some things we'll just kind of get down to the housing. 18:29:57 Policies. And then I wanna jump over to the Udc. 18:30:01 Talk about some of the new things that we've added into that this. 18:30:07 Actually, you're going through. I also did this. 18:30:10 Look at the and this particular section. And you say, if aside and see Lambert develop your blamers and other centers, yeah, for affordable housing where we can kind of take that as a block. Yeah. 18:30:27 And if the complain also wants us to, you know, have more renewable energy, more transit. 18:30:33 More lessons, intensive services, not just everything but that. 18:30:43 Now we're into resource lands and then urban growth area. 18:30:50 That we have some zoning categories for residential. There's a lot of stuff in there, and Cga, specific and purple. 18:31:00 Hmm! 18:31:09 And that's kind of for later, right? So we can kind of follow through that right now. 18:31:18 What is a lot. And it's really similar. What we think. 18:31:24 Not sure what would be part of this project with it. If that's atmosphere, it would be for next year. 18:31:32 So natural resources policies. 18:31:41 Fire, wise planning, order, force, management. 18:31:49 Yeah. So the idea is that we're doing so that's. 18:31:55 What's that? With preservation of family on farms by? 18:32:05 Just about here. 18:32:07 Yeah, there's another one collaborate with partner in school. 18:32:14 Yeah, like, protect farms. Keep the arms arms highlighted. 18:32:20 Technical assistance. I mean, I think this is like getting in the the realm of having the conservation district and having different organizations that are supportive of being able to help implement a performance standard thing just like CIO and this is where we were talking about getting into comparing with farmwork housing and seeing if we can have a 18:32:43 different style of farm worker, or style of housing that addresses farm worker needs, as well as other workforce housing it will not, it might be helpful, and maybe Matt and Christine could help characterize the type of housing needed by the the agricultural areas. 18:33:07 By the farms. But is there someone that you could use for a resource to understand? 18:33:15 Spring Rain Farms, road crop, housing worker needs do. 18:33:21 Are they coming from town? Are they living on site? 18:33:24 Do they need? Are they living in their partisan so I hope this I would say, it's all of the above, and I would say it's not that descriptive from other. 18:33:38 What are we trying to show here? We're trying to show why. 18:33:42 Why work workplace housing is important. 18:33:45 I kind of going off on a on a on this aspect of our work, and thinking about a task that we will need to do at some point that if we're going to talk about a housing option, congregate housing, or say jimicum commons having a bunk house or congregate housing 18:34:07 to address workforce housing needs. And we're we want to change the definition of farm worker housing, awesome. 18:34:22 Where, instead of saying that you have to live on the farm, you're working on, we have people who are doing transient work across several farms. 18:34:33 Where are they going to live? It doesn't shift the definition. 18:34:38 Is there someone who could characterize what the housing needs are in our Jefferson County farms? 18:34:47 What kind of worker housing is it? Farm worker? 18:34:48 Is it congregate housing that addresses work on number of farms as well as as the local coffee shop, or Joel it's important stuff. But right now we're losing focus. 18:35:08 We really wanna move ahead with, how does it comp plan support our recommendation? 18:35:13 Gotcha. Okay. Now, what we're trying to do today and actually, the things are highlighted on farms don't really support it directly. 18:35:22 We want something. The Commissioners are gonna look at. We give them. 18:35:26 If you give this up, this high, they're gonna take a look at it and say, Well, that's nice. 18:35:29 We give something this high. They're gonna read it. Yeah, we wanna have a happy, focused document. 18:35:36 And it should really be very obvious how it fits our suggestion. 18:35:42 Yeah, we need that piece of information though innovative zoning techniques. 18:35:48 So, yeah, and we're subdividing agriculture. So explore innovative zoning techniques. 18:35:54 Yeah, Christina. Willan did have her hand up. I don't know if she still wants to speak on that. 18:36:01 But okay, she had her hand up. Then she hey, to see you. 18:36:07 Yeah. Oh, I'm sorry, Christine. Chris. 18:36:15 No, thank you. 18:36:20 It seems like somebody like Christie Kisler would have an answer. 18:36:27 You know, would have a perspective that is broader than just farm worker housing, because you've got workers. 18:36:33 In at the corner, you know. She's got, you know, the service workers, and because I think you know, we different a certain percentage can be allocated towards those accessory uses. 18:36:52 The concept is taking care of people the chickens got together people, too, you know, and so I would imagine that attention, the accessory use to make sure we're putting in with the agricultural so, Bill, are you asking somebody possibly Matt to talk to somebody possibly Christie? 18:37:17 About getting there answer to that question. Do we need it now? 18:37:21 We need to PIN it down sometime. Do we need. 18:37:26 We don't need this document. Right? Okay? So time in 2 weeks the goals and policies kind of highlight, the need to add data gap that we wanna address. So we're going through some of the housing material here haven't might reach the goals and policies that discussing. 18:37:51 I'm gonna have to housing and relationship to land use. 18:37:55 And I'm just gonna keep scrolling here. 18:38:23 Providing opportunities for workforce housing developments that are affordable to workers are in low and meeting incomes. 18:38:28 It is a Jefferson County drill with it. So this is straight from the copy inserts plan, and we're implementing that with this proposal. 18:38:37 And it's highlighted so it might be referring to the headlock. 18:38:59 That's the end of the chapter. And they're again like tiny phones. 18:39:05 They use the thing. There we go. That's only right. 18:39:09 Yeah, this is one of our breadcrumbs. 18:39:13 Alternative gma, compliant development and performance standards at define bonus residential bid cities measuring reduced levels of resources, reduced adverse ecological impacts. 18:39:25 So this is precisely it's precisely what we're doing here. Amazing. 18:39:31 Yeah, we were thinking ahead. 18:39:40 We gotta keep our Steve going up the hill and and. 18:39:45 Get a lot. 18:39:49 Bring it. Hey? So we've got a zoning incentives. 18:39:59 Strategy. 18:40:02 I guess the crux is that we've got no lack of support in the cognitive plan, right? 18:40:10 That's the House Session. Yeah. 18:40:21 It was. Yeah, more housing through the county throughout the camp. 18:40:26 That was interesting up a little bit. 18:40:34 Yeah, to. 18:40:37 Yeah, other projects. Well, it's a little different. But that portable section is spot on. Yeah. 18:40:56 Oops. Okay. 18:41:01 Bolded, section. So now we're into the action plan, and these are the kind of things that we need to. 18:41:09 Encourage the missionaries to review and see what, how we've done this each year. 18:41:16 I'm always up to an annual state of the complain report that could say, How are we making progress on these action plans? 18:41:31 So this has a lot of. 18:41:40 So tiny homes is in consideration in our action plan. 18:41:48 Okay. So then we go onto the other element in the plan. 18:41:53 Our open space. Part historically, cultural preservation and the ecological aspect or performance standards of this. 18:42:08 Like cluster development. 18:42:18 I'm gonna development stuff is pretty critical for adapting of climate change. 18:42:23 I mean, it's that's like one of the biggest things you know. 18:42:27 Water. 18:42:29 So the lead step is pretty much about that release. 18:42:37 The water keeping more water in the soil, more vice-chair in the trees. 18:42:43 That's l e e d. Well, that's the that's the I can send another document and I don't know if I ever sent it from like the partnership efforts. 18:42:56 It's a long list of things to do to help the sound, and it's kind of like the stuff that we're talking about. 18:43:03 It's different for every site. It's very basic the lead is an organization that can't remember. 18:43:16 Environmental design is the last and so that could be a performance standard or an incentive in the can't remember. 18:43:27 Environmental design is. The last. Standards, too, is a lot of standards. 18:43:33 The work has been done. Okay? 18:43:37 So this is quite a lot of information. But we still down into a staff report or a what was that up there? 18:43:49 I think we just scrolled by an important. 18:43:54 Like mentioning more impacts encourage you to low impact development techniques and other innovations that benefit. 18:44:04 Here's the word affordable housing there it is right in there, right? 18:44:09 So that's another one section. 18:44:15 Right on the month. 18:44:27 I mentioned all the transit stuff, because we need to. Mindful of that. 18:44:40 Thanks that fits into. Maybe some of the criteria for citing this or using this overlay. 18:44:50 We don't want to. I create affordable housing in the middle of nowhere. 18:44:56 It needs to be in proximity to services. 18:45:10 I just looked through the later date and can't find your document, so I don't know where it is. 18:45:16 I don't have this one in laser fee. 18:45:19 I'm sorry. Oh, I thought that's what he said. 18:45:22 I've got the application and some earlier supporting hearing I didn't find that either. 18:45:35 What was that that was highlighted in bigger letters? 18:45:37 Okay, this is Matt. What we're asking about is highlighted, large, and underlined and bolded. 18:45:46 There we go! That's it! 18:45:56 That's pretty much. Yeah. 18:46:19 Yeah, we took care to link housing economic development and. 18:46:26 Some other things together. 18:46:48 Well, there's our description. What's going on? 18:46:51 The lack of affordable housing costs from housing costs outpacing average household income. 18:46:55 Yeah, I think I passed that. 18:47:07 And right above. That is another thing, that a breakfast is pretty serious. 18:47:13 That's specifically referring what we're doing. Now, yeah, this is cell phone. 18:47:26 We go too far in changing, planning assumptions in our environmental impact statement, we might end up needing to update our Eis. 18:47:41 Okay, so next, I'd like to look at the Udc. 18:47:46 Amendment, additions. 18:47:50 At the end. Here I think the real estate sales own. 18:48:00 Then it's a big part of it. Cause it's you know, people orange real character landed. 18:48:07 That's very much. 18:48:46 Okay. Some things that came up recently from our planning work. 18:48:58 I was to consider a temporary use permits for living in an Rv while you're constructing a phone, we have some other temporary use permits in our code. 18:49:07 But they're they don't have relationship to housing. 18:49:11 They're more of a food stand or a firework stand, or other kinds of temporary uses that are done on on a traditional basis. 18:49:23 We were wanting to add one to specify conditions for living in an Rb. 18:49:30 And addressing Blackwater, and things like that. 18:49:38 Also we added to oh, this is to move to 2024 to amend title 17, which is our development regulation for portfolio to preclude timber harvesting in the open space zone. 18:49:53 This was a carrier, old from a few years back, when there was some harvesting that port that was thought to be open space and perpetuity, and left alone wasn't codified. 18:50:08 It's Nick. 18:50:19 As we bring this one back again, this will sound familiar. 18:50:24 Recent article 6, end, Jcc. 1815, 5, 71. 18:50:27 This is the forest transition, overlay it is in our comprehensive plan to consider resetting the forest transition over thing, and we received an application in our office for a subdivision forest land for residential as a force transition overlay and I think we may have decided to do something different but this 18:50:56 is still on the books, and it does represented a loss of resource lands to subdivision for residential. 18:51:07 So it's something that good back on there, and I think, was supported by the planning commission oh, absolutely. I wrote up an application for the planning commission, and it was approved by the planning commission. 18:51:27 There was agreement that it was important. We end up. We end up, back, filling, even when we know we need to change it. 18:51:36 We don't have luxury to say we don't have time to do these things because we're just gonna spend their time subdivided. 18:51:46 So and it wasn't very much time this next one. 18:51:50 I don't know if it's been brought forward yet or not, but this is a policy from 1998, when we established our first comprehensive planning under Gma as a State round 20 vegetated buffer that as you enter into Port townsend and 18:52:11 it was negotiated with port towns, and they were concerned that Glen Code and a one rentals and some other areas were going to be industrialized. 18:52:22 And so from the point of old Fort Towns and road into Port Townsend, a distance of about 3 miles. 18:52:30 There's an extra 50 foot setback that is only in policy. 18:52:35 It's not codified, and some planners have missed it in in permitting developments, and 50 foot. 18:52:46 Isn't that great? But but it is added a visual cordon. 18:52:54 That's one that we have in policy, but not in code. 18:52:57 So we'd already have the the red line text done. 18:53:03 We did it in 2019, and it just hasn't been adopted. 18:53:08 We also are going to add updated definitions from the city county work that we did on the temporary emergency house. 18:53:18 That we had discussed in a joint planning commission meetings with Port Townsend. 18:53:25 So we have all these new definitions. We can take this opportunity to put them into the work and update the Jeffery housing organs as well as our. 18:53:38 And then last one we added recently, the March 20 third was, we have something that is somewhat incorrect in our code about. 18:53:55 We had in their tideline acreage may not be included or given other consideration than any land, division, plan, alteration, or boundary line adjustment. 18:54:04 The authority to altered planet Tidelands lies with the Department of Natural Resources. 18:54:09 That is true, but it just needs to say tight line, tidelands, high land boundaries that are coincident with state, owned robotic lands may not be altered. 18:54:20 We do have some patented tidelands that are private deal. 18:54:26 And so that statement wasn't true. Exactly. So we need it to correct that. 18:54:31 So there are some new things we put in there, and I don't think they'll take a lot from what we've already been looking at. 18:54:42 You know, but there are many, many different things in this list, and it's time to so wrap it up and get them done. 18:54:55 So last I wanted to, if it pleases the chair, to look a little bit at how these 3 amendment cycles or 2 amendment cycles in one periodic review are sitting together, and there's a co-provision in chapter 1845 that says that the planning Commission needs 18:55:16 to wrap up your recommendations for amendments. Bye. 18:55:22 Vember first of the year preceding that amendment near. 18:55:27 So that's I've got a schedule that shows that. 18:55:32 Have you ever done that? I'm not sure we had extension last time from, say, yeah, we we look our way through it with resolutions and extensions. 18:55:44 And so, just as I was you know, kind of thinking, how do these 3 years get together? 18:55:51 I would maintain that most people here on the Commission voted for the one we have not. 18:55:59 A whole lot has changed because urgency and we haven't done the things we promised we would. 18:56:06 So it's I think the next 2 years are important as a way to set the scene for the update. 18:56:20 We just looked at a bunch of it today, right? And it feels like it's written today. 18:56:28 So public outreach is real important, for I think it'd be great. 18:56:32 Idea to integrate public outreach with other new ideas and other. 18:56:38 You know, as we get our public comments in equal multiple ways to express what's important to them and their current account. 18:56:49 Yeah, yeah, I was thinking it. This is my office as well. 18:56:56 What we have here is a 2023, as you can see, my cursor looting across the top calendar. 18:57:03 We have 2024, and then 2025 added picks up at the end. 18:57:10 Here, but what I'm doing here is I'm also doing 2024, 2025, concurrent with 2023. 18:57:19 So, I'm gonna zoom into this section. And I'm gonna zoom into this section. 18:57:24 This is the November first deadline for wrapping up recommendations for the periodic Review in 2025. 18:57:33 But let's take a look at that. We're more closely so. 18:57:37 184505. Those sub forces that the planning Commission's Periodic Review deadline is November first. 18:57:46 That is so that the board can get involved in it can be wrapped up in 2025. 18:57:54 The deadline by commerce, where a periodic agreement was. 18:57:59 June thirtieth, 2025. 18:58:03 So! 18:58:06 I thought, that's interesting. That means now we back up again to here is, yeah. 18:58:17 So here's where 2024 starts, and this is 2023 at the end. 18:58:22 Oh, we're coming along here in July of this year. 18:58:29 Final docket will be established by the Board of County Commissions. 18:58:33 We'll be working on the housing stuff that we've bitten off and develop, developing it through August. 18:58:42 September is gonna be pretty busy with. Then it gets forwarded to the Board of County Commissioners. 18:58:47 We'll have our PC. Planning commission. Retreat. 18:58:50 Sometime late. I think that the last week of August, I think, was like a better time in the way I saw the schedule, and then we kind of look at around the corner. 18:59:08 Planning Commission periodic Review. We start looking at what does 2025 gonna require of us? 18:59:15 Also have the Growth Management Act. The new Housing data development that we have to do for our periodic review. 18:59:23 We're required to do more housing analyses and track. 18:59:30 Not just that housing is can be done, but how much is available? 18:59:34 And at what income levels is it available? So we have to do a lot of work here and then. 18:59:44 So we're going to be having kind of a busy end of the year. 18:59:49 We're looking at the 2024 docket proposals in the budget, and we'll be looking at a resolution in December to defer any suggested amendments in 2025. 19:00:08 So we can fix or finish our periodic review and suggested meaning from the public. 19:00:15 Yes, so this is my indicator. We are here. We will have a Stanford. 19:00:25 In preparation of the hearing. On the nineteenth. 19:00:28 So kind of a report on what we've done here, and hearing for public testimony on the final docket, and then it gets forwarded to the Board of County Commissioners for Monday, May eighth. 19:00:40 We'll be sending them a packet of for their regular agenda. 19:00:45 What we want to have on our preliminary docket, and then we'll have some agendas with the board. 19:00:53 Through May for informing them with what's going to happen. 19:01:00 Yes, so do you have tonight. Do you have what you need to get? 19:01:06 The Stafford ready for the user. Yeah? And and then we're gonna have the here public hearing on the nineteenth. 19:01:19 And then are you imagining that we would start pulling together the findings, the fact and conclusions on that night? 19:01:31 Right? That's possibility. So we can. We've got the the same has been completed with the application we looked at him a little bit at the first card when he needed, and so what I'd like to do is to kind of front load that letter again. 19:01:50 And have the planning commission, review it and add to it, and that then would go into the board packet. 19:02:01 Either them. It's due on Tuesdays, which is always odd, and then the Planning Commission's Wednesday, so I'll either try to slip it in to a day late or 2 days late to the board, or if that is gonna work, then We'll have a week, on. 19:02:23 And so, anyway, there's another document here that you're familiar with. 19:02:30 That I'll update with more of this detail. So you've seen this plan on the backside is the is the year annual flow chart so I've got some more things to add in so our 2025 things, we're starting to in May starting to reach 19:02:51 out to the board and say, Hey, we've got a periodic planning. Commission's going to be front loading 2024 and finishing up the end of the year to give you set of information for the video active view and we're gonna be reaching out to the city. 19:03:08 We're county white planning policies we call that the joint growth management Steering Committee, which you might be familiar with that's the committee that we do deemed to talk about population projections. 19:03:22 Those will have to be adopted by resolution, by city and county, in May and June. 19:03:29 So it's it's uncanny how 2025 is so close information settled so you can start doing the planning and the work that really need for the housing anyway, that's the story. 19:03:49 And I think that story to close the whole circle with the staffing concerns at Dcd. 19:03:56 It carries forward the planning Commission's message that we have important long range planning to do. 19:04:07 And we've got. We don't have a tight schedule. 19:04:10 We have a schedule. It hasn't gotten real tight yet, but it's nice to stay on the schedule, and and we're on the tracks, and let's stay the course. 19:04:21 It might mean asking for additional help from the subcommittees and the planning commission may be reaching out to your local experts, but that's kind of this. 19:04:34 The big. The full story of now this year fits into 34, and the Periodic Review in 2025. 19:04:43 I wanna, repeat, Joe, I really appreciate your effort in this, because I know we had a lot going on. 19:04:49 I really I hear your hearts in it, and I appreciate thanks. 19:04:54 Any questions about next week let's get Chris Arlene back in the screen, and what I meant just remind you about the desktop exitc. 19:05:05 So. Yes, I was and I sent you a couple of things when I send you just a draft, my dear. 19:05:37 Didn't see a thorough explanation of how the proposed amendments. 19:05:43 Needs complex with, or relates to. 19:05:54 And so with that the rest of the stuff that I wrote there. 19:05:57 Yeah, okay, yeah, you've got a lot of this already done. 19:06:05 We'll need to review it after our you are meeting next meeting. 19:06:10 Yeah. So this will go into that. So if we could get a version of this so that we could review it before the Aaron, that'd be great also, really, quickly. 19:06:27 I'll send out that. 19:06:31 For the hearing on the nineteenth. I'm gonna be fine. 19:06:37 And I might even land like I might have to like phone phone or something. Okay. 19:06:49 So why you turn onto your device before they could, the plane will be delayed. 19:06:54 Over the Rockies, we'll just watch you so it will mark you down as possible, not attending next meeting on as possible, not attending next meeting. 19:07:10 I'm gonna plan to be here. But I wanted to know whatever I can do. 19:07:12 You know, and I'll be engaged. 19:07:23 And thank you.