HomeMy WebLinkAboutPC Transcript 2023-03-0117:37:55 Yes, there we go. Something. So yeah, I think the sound should probably be on the speaker, not the so the cameras to meet.
17:38:15 You're not in charge.
17:38:23 There we go. That's what we want. Who wants that in there? So I just need to see participants as well.
17:38:36 It's covered by this.
17:38:49 I mean, you get started by 6 and 30 people believe in sick right?
17:39:03 So I think it's because I clicked on the link signing. And I think we're there as a participant. Okay, so I need to sign out and do this again.
17:39:06 Would you do that?
17:39:20 Yeah.
17:39:30 Oh, yeah.
17:39:39 I retracted from our statement.
17:39:44 Okay.
17:40:15 Yeah. Working on zoom, yes, yeah. Is it working?
17:40:26 Yeah.
17:40:32 Apologies. Everyone for the delay. This is blessing and encouraging technologies.
17:40:40 Back in the day we had a tape recorder, you know.
17:40:43 Cheryl used to do things in shorthand to take notes and show it to do things in shorthand, to take notes and transcribe.
17:40:55 So you know we have great capability of dealing with hyper meet, and you know our other, that you probably met Alex.
17:40:57 He's got a lot of technological savvy, but he's occurred higher needs to 7Â min hours and shared with the health plan these are my special occasions.
17:41:06 Essentially not that this isn't one, but can use them every time this is, is it showing this is Jefferson County, Dcd, so it does show that online in there.
17:41:21 Yeah, so instead of share screen, I'm just seeing if I have a ability to.
17:41:26 No, she's not sitting here. Oh, that was up. Yeah, that was.
17:41:39 You don't meeting our camera, anyway.
17:42:09 She still can't hear us cause it was working before, and it says here that our voice is registering here.
17:42:17 Select, a speaker.
17:42:22 Arlene, can you hear us at all? Uhhuh. Oh, yeah. Whether we still being able to see us, can you see us, Arlene?
17:42:37 Repeat. Can you see it?
17:42:38 I can see everything. It's perfect here.
17:42:41 Okay. So you're good. So it just seems like it's not showing us quite.
17:42:47 But while it's not showing us if Arlene can see us in the recording then we can go back, and then we'll troubleshoot that, hey?
17:43:06 I'll call to order the march first. 2,023!
17:43:09 Meeting of the Jumpington County Planning Commission, and I'll start with roll call directly.
17:43:15 I'm here.
17:43:15 Are you here? Are you? And throwing the Matt, I'm here, Matt.
17:43:23 Yeah. History. Here I'm here. Lorna, Richard is here.
17:43:28 Cynthia, come in here!
17:43:35 Everybody else who next here, and Chris is not here. Did you hear from Chris at all, Mike Jolie?
17:43:45 Next agenda item is approval of the agenda.
17:43:48 Any comments about the agenda, understand? And there's a couple of minutes. We have several sets of minutes to approve today, and of time.
17:44:06 That was definitely.
17:44:12 Like 2 cents, the first was November second, 1222, and then, yeah, I'll be at the end.
17:44:27 Oh, instead of having my halfway after the year. So it looks like.
17:44:33 Whether they are all here, yeah, I can't anybody to approve of.
17:44:38 November second, send me a move to approve November second, second.
17:44:42 Okay, okay, okay, any discussion.
17:44:54 All in favor of approving the minutes. Raise your hand, including Arlene, and building.
17:45:03 Okay, it's up. It's 8 0. I approved.
17:45:14 Next set is January fourth. It was also 23.
17:45:21 It's like.
17:45:23 Anyone can make a motion to approve the minutes.
17:45:27 Ld, thank you. A second, so I can find it. Oh, second one seconds and driver discussion.
17:45:39 And I'll hold up until everybody finds it.
17:45:44 The first one was, Oh, I know the phone number didn't. It's away. So we've already. Yeah, okay.
17:45:57 So January and I was there I'll send you a second.
17:46:05 Okay. So, second, second of the motion, any discussion? Literally, something. Okay.
17:46:15 Yes, see, you are.
17:46:19 Okay, we lost our lead.
17:46:25 Yeah, no. Idea.
17:46:35 We have a form with that? Yeah, okay, it's 7, 7 0.
17:46:52 Next minutes are from January 20, fifth, to join meeting with the kind of commissioners have a different system.
17:47:05 But whether we were here or not, every single one of these so I guess it's access to say you're here.
17:47:17 Okay, so looks like everyone that. And I can entertain any mode for anyone here to approve.
17:47:22 The next, that's all typo, and then send me a second in the typo we can correct, you know.
17:47:32 Here's looks like somebody. Paste my name in the wrong place.
17:47:37 My name is posted in La Laura's comment, or something.
17:47:43 Which section is this? Oh, AR leaves comment. This is, is it?
17:47:49 Beg your business. I don't see that man. This is.
17:47:54 It's going, Eileen's comment.
17:48:01 Oh, I'm trying to figure out which page it's on.
17:48:03 There's no page. Numbers there's a lot of pages.
17:48:08 It's like, yeah, it's right before my presentation.
17:48:12 And then add my presentation. My name is so like somebody want to post my paste my name in, but missed.
17:48:20 I wasted it in Arlene's comments, so I don't know what word was supposed to be. There.
17:48:25 Kevin's. This is, yeah. After Kevin's after.
17:48:30 Did you say it was actually during month. Did you say something that needed was during Arlene's cause. I really liked whoever summarized you know what I said.
17:48:42 It was really.
17:48:48 Are these presentations on? And it starts out. This subcommittee is formed due to rate concerns, and Greg Heidi is Lorna's horse.
17:49:00 Then Laura Peaks, though there's the section with Arlene, is about this long, and you're not there.
17:49:07 Well, no, it's Arlene's comment during Lorna, so she says. Arlene Allen.
17:49:12 Well, it's a mat, Circely, of how those owners have taken advantage. You can just search for it, says my name is.
17:49:29 And with the second the last page perfect. Thank you. So we moved to 70.
17:49:40 To approve the minutes as abandoned all in favor. Raise your hand.
17:49:49 Here 7 0. I don't suppose you have running back yet, do we?
17:49:52 I am back!
17:49:53 You can hear us. We just can't see we missed you on the last, and Sharing said, and as you approve this set of minutes, this is the thank you.
17:50:00 Yes, thank you.
17:50:02 Go ahead!
17:50:06 Let's see. So I've got that was February.
17:50:09 Oh, January 20, fifth. Now we're on the certain way first it's all 23, 7Â min.
17:50:16 And it looks like we have.
17:50:24 There's very few people. So I need a motion to approve the February first minute.
17:50:31 It will be useful if Ariel would make that motion. So I think.
17:50:36 Thank you. Were there.
17:50:38 I am here. You just can't see me.
17:50:46 Hello!
17:50:41 Hey? You were also at the meeting to join with the city, and they were not very many convinced that at that meeting, so I need you to make a motion to approve the February first
meeting minutes.
17:50:55 So moved.
17:50:56 Thank you. I'll second. That was also there.
17:51:04 So I've been moved to seconded to approve the February first minutes.
17:51:10 And we'll do it. We'll separate out the those who are there and who goes through work by those who are there.
17:51:21 Our main, Approves.
17:51:17 Please indicate your approval. The minutes 1, 2, 3!
17:51:27 And the rest. Then they'll have 1, 3, 4 extensions, so I don't think that they don't have to stay, and they can perfect.
17:51:39 Then, if you'll through, break your hand.
17:51:50 So you still have 3. Alright. So okay.
17:51:59 Need of a majority.
17:52:04 Next a bit. Jenny. I don't like it. We're planning commission updates. We have any plan.
17:52:12 Commissioner updates, I have a short update. Okay, I had.
17:52:16 I just finished a job. I got an assignment right article for the panic materials with you.
17:52:24 Institute Newsletter, it's a nonprofit.
17:52:25 It's like the gateway organic manufacturers of of the products in the industry.
17:52:30 And so they give me a list of people call, and I just kinda figure out, you know, I'm just trying to feel out what people think.
17:52:38 Is exciting and cool about the future, and what I think is pertinent for us.
17:52:44 Besides all of the talk about keeping soils together. How important that is for the future!
17:52:50 They're fixing carbon or keeping things in place, dealing with drought.
17:52:55 And you know resilience of soils, that's all pertains to.
17:53:01 You know what we think about and talk about and do. But the real news I think, is that there's a new I could read from the thing.
17:53:12 There's a lot of acronyms. But if you imagine all the 3 major California Pesticide Agency got together and they have this new roadmap to pesticide reduction state line, and
so, as a part of this and they're gonna eliminate it's kind of a
17:53:28 long time line of, you know, 25 years to eliminate the worst priority.
17:53:33 But I know that's something that we struggle with here, at least in terms of porting, or, you know, home owners with the or, you know, a lot of resources and golf courses and
stuff, and people try to be mindful.
17:53:47 But it's everybody struggles with it, and I wanna just let everyone know that.
17:53:52 That's something that's happened in California is really groundbreaking.
17:53:56 They're gonna be looking at all the different what they're doing is introducing a new term called sustainable past management, which is just like integrated.
17:54:11 It takes into account communities and equity, and, like the how the farm workers or people living in the community, it takes into account.
17:54:23 All these different facts that are maybe somewhat social, or you know.
17:54:29 So it's it's a really new thing.
17:54:30 And so it's a big deal for the organic industry, because they're gonna look at.
17:54:35 Organic, approved materials, and most likely those will end up being on procurement buses.
17:54:43 And they're gonna shift all of their urban and rural agricultural pest management.
17:54:49 For sustainable test management. So that's just a brand new announcement.
17:54:55 Just kind of just starting now. So I wouldn't be surprised if Washington put up.
17:55:03 Maybe we should, you know, it's something that we should think about, you know, there shouldn't be really behind on that stuff.
17:55:12 And it's interesting. You see, nervous has a good.
17:55:17 They're kind of the leaders and not just.
17:55:24 And so, if you have some for a certain of the strategies, for they were planning to that part of this.
17:55:35 Every community has set a plan for that, and also thecknowledges that under climate change, yeah, like tests can florish.
17:55:43 New tests can arrive, and they battle with that. A lot in California like, you know, to think like Citrus really?
17:55:50 But it's really something we should think back to, you know, as and Canada's heavy bark views, we can expect to have certain things you're gonna have. Yeah.
17:56:00 So one other quick announcement just for the public in general is that the due to the significance of housing and shelter on our agenda?
17:56:11 There's a home show this weekend resource for people, not just for finding professionals and training craftsmen, etc.
17:56:21 But also the county is gonna be there and available cities is gonna be available. So help people with the full gamut.
17:56:29 You know, issues and they can get resources to understand better with code presentation.
17:56:35 To Sarah. So we're just trying to can you tell us where and when?
17:56:39 With an hour reschedule on website. But everything from solar energy to permanent navigation, to financing for construction to financing, for construction, that are dealing
with, you know, new bills are being proposed on accessory dwelling units and greater
17:57:12 density and Gma revision. And there's a lot of stuff out there this but I hope we'll get adopted so it's a good at.
17:57:27 It's every year, I think, several times, you know it's it is popular as far as the traffic goes, and people are generally interested in that fine.
17:57:39 Thank you. What time is your panel again? The one that you're on I think 30'clock.
17:57:45 I think that sounds right, too. I'm on it as well.
17:57:47 So I was asking you I'm appreciate it.
17:57:53 We have an administrative update, and this is the recurring problem.
17:57:59 It brought to our attention my attention again at the last meeting with a 6.
17:58:04 All the city commissioners were present we didn't have a quorum.
17:58:08 And if those were missing, 3 were excused. How so?
17:58:12 I want to talk about excuses, unexpused absence is one where the person does not notify either the planning commission desk or Joel they're not gonna be there ahead of time.
17:58:27 This is important because if there's not there be a forum need can be cancelled and save us all.
17:58:34 A lot of effort. So we, a few years ago, when Patty tries, was director, she gave us a certain lecture about this, and for a while it was pretty good, and now we've got back
slash sled again, and Commissioner and Brent, I noticed that.
17:58:56 Problem. And we talked about it after the meeting with the and Brent brought to my team that this is actually in our bylaws, and I'm gonna read the bylaws 6Â s 2.
17:59:12 I use absences in a row from regularly scheduled meetings which shall be grounds for the planning Commission to recommend the Board time Commissioner is at the individual, very
moving.
17:59:23 The Plan Commission, and I just mean that. So I'm gonna recommend that.
17:59:28 Then, that the sale keep track of I actually use offices and 2 in a row that they place that topic on the next on the agenda of the next meeting for discussion.
17:59:44 This doesn't mean that the person will be dumped off.
17:59:49 The committee. It does mean. That they block everybody's attention, and we could make that decision at that time. We can decide.
17:59:56 Yes, say, that person had with the dead, so they couldn't, or they can take another decision like that.
18:00:08 I guess we'll do. Now, Matt. 2 things.
18:00:12 The first is that Chris is trying to join the meeting right now is having trouble, and I've mentioned it twice already.
18:00:17 But maybe you could send her an invitation to join the student meeting.
18:00:24 The link isn't working for and invited her to call on my phone.
18:00:26 So that's for a second unexcused absence.
18:00:30 But she's actually right there trying to be here. She's trying to be here, and she felt like she's not getting notable.
18:00:35 This is not retroactive, but I wanna also mention that on the first I had.
18:00:42 You know the the dentist office thing broke down. They sent me a credentials on Wednesday.
18:00:47 So I emailed my equipment was changed. My email, Arlene and Brent.
18:00:52 But I didn't email you. But just email me is not important emailing.
18:00:59 The plan commission desk? Yeah. Well, yeah, I know that. Director.
18:01:02 I'm not sure if that counts. It published, but it doesn't matter.
18:01:06 I don't matter, with that, and it's a miss known when it says Unexpected.
18:01:11 That suggests that you need an excuse. You don't, Jeff.
18:01:15 Me! Tell us not gonna be there doesn't matter what I can forward you.
18:01:19 The email if you'd like to see what I and this is not retroactive.
18:01:28 Anyway, we're getting to be right. And this is not retroactive.
18:01:32 Anyway, we're getting new. We didn't got to be policy now.
18:01:32 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I, okay, thanks. India. One. I pretty sure that was my first one next to that. Since I apologize, I was not here.
18:01:42 But the real point of my comment is, we still don't have current bylaws on on the Commission website.
18:01:49 And I don't know why, cause we've passed those months ago, and we're gonna have searchers.
18:01:59 Sign them and get that listed on the website. And they're still the twenty-twenty August of 2020 bylaws on our planning commission website.
18:02:07 Did you sign those for? Sure? Yeah, I did. Okay. Several months ago.
18:02:12 And gain both work together to put them up there weeks ago.
18:02:23 I think we'll take a look at that there is a transition to getting people already to make changes on the website.
18:02:29 There's a little bit of the protocol there, folks.
18:02:31 The it folks still want too many stuff they're just a mandatory.
18:02:35 I thought I thought I thought that we've worked at that out.
18:02:38 Actually, I thought that auburn. I got my credentials by this time, so apologies for that.
18:02:43 I watched them. Nice, so congratulations! So, Joel, are, you are okay with you have a chance to refresh that screen right? Just to make sure.
18:02:53 I cause I it's where I as there's so that I know but your cash got it on this computer, I'd probably have a never been on that one thing.
18:03:04 So I'm not sure to explain that I we did talk about it a couple of weeks ago.
18:03:08 I thought it happened so. Apologies for that. I think by now they're inspired.
18:03:11 We have to start. Nobody has. No, nobody's asked us for it to see them.
18:03:18 But that said they're important to have.
18:03:20 We are the only ones that really need them, you know it will, Richard probably just read from old Bylaw, would be my job well, I thought, now I thought we sent out that I mean
we you received the bylaws that you were true right?
18:03:34 They just weren't signed here. You could create, add a copy and keep it in the back of your I know, but he's trying to make an argument.
18:03:43 We shouldn't have them. That's he says it says 8, 5, twenty-twenty.
18:03:51 It's the same so we'll check on the way you said.
18:03:54 This I wrote is the same, and the old and new bylaws again.
18:03:58 I know nobody's trying to make an argument that we shouldn't have the right bylaw.
18:04:02 So it's just we've been trying quite a while what she got here is yesterday I got a point, and Auburn had the point here. So if I can move forward and make sure that Joel, are
you okay, with the extra load, of it, of adding this agenda item yes, and this doesn't
18:04:20 count. That's right. That's that's your actively.
18:04:24 It's structure, I mean, haven't we? Yeah, if there's an accused apps and it says so on the agenda, yeah, and just one quick.
18:04:38 I like the idea of just contacting the planning commission desk in a conversation with Brad, he said, I should, you know, send it to you or the chair so the desk is a whole
lot easier, and then it's the information they will compare.
18:04:59 And they that but I do that to tell them yeah, it's a lot easier. And then it's the information they will compare, and that but I do that to tell them.
18:05:04 Yeah, I can't imagine times when you're out on the highway and you're in an accident, and you have Cincinnati when you're out on the highway and you're in an accident, and you
have Cincinnati.
18:05:34 I'm sure everyone recognizes that the full planning commission is ideal.
18:05:39 Everyone here we want to know what boards we heard in this important are going to be here.
18:05:42 But the practical thing that I think you brought up Richard is really the key to it, which is, if we have advanced warning that enough members are gonna miss.
18:05:50 The next meeting that we should, that we're not gonna have for them for the interest of everybody else will cancel the meeting officially.
18:05:55 So I think that's the main suggestion. Trying to get not notice. But that.
18:06:00 But if you have certainly, like an accident that day, that's unexpected.
18:06:04 Obviously, okay. So we're good. So we can do on the next agenda item, which is Dcd staff and director updates.
18:06:15 Yeah, I'll just start quickly. I know we lost a few minutes at the beginning, so I'll be just quick with some staff updates, and then we're going to to the agenda.
18:06:23 So Brent is back. He was up. He was away for the month most of the month of February, and he's back now.
18:06:29 So that's good news for the department. I was.
18:06:33 They only manage it in this last month. There's a lot of challenges there in terms of trying to run, run the the the part of the shop, and also deal with the all the permit
by permanent decision making open on the back end there, planning side, but that's it.
18:06:46 We're, you know. We're humming along. We've got some new staff.
18:06:48 My understanding is that you met George Terry at the last meeting, and there he is in the audience as well let's send it in. So George is one of our newer planners and expectations
for George and time, and we have we're still continuing to have some staff, turno I don't know if you
18:07:07 got the news yet, because everything happened in this last month, while represents away.
18:07:12 And there wasn't the meeting. They made very, very planning commission, but Ryan Benjamin found it another job.
18:07:17 So Brian Brian's last day was last week after his 2 weeks notice.
18:07:21 So he's working for Thurston County and for family reasons and other reasons.
18:07:26 I took another opportunity and moved from where he was. One of the things is that the only factor?
18:07:33 But he had a trouble finding a place to live. Yeah, by telework the whole time that he was here right?
18:07:39 I know. He was like, you know, an asset that we've lost because he was knowledgeable andpatient.
18:07:46 I would say to my limited timing, working with him in terms of answering a lot of questions from a lot of people so so we're missing Brian and S.
18:07:55 2, Ben and another announcement is that our own city of Port Towns and Tilford, one of our assets, as well.
18:08:02 So we have 2 permit tax at the front counter and the one who is the most veteran of the 2 and when I, when I say that I mean, like 18 months with us, but she was quite an asset,
has taken a position with this same job more money, and that's really the only
18:08:18 you know, cities are often able to out compete counties with respect to salaries couldn't explain all the dynamics of why that is.
18:08:26 But it is so, anyway. So we're losing amber at the front desk, and what that means for us is just another transition period that we gotta work through in terms of our ability
to service.
18:08:36 The public. So it is what it is, and I just wanted you to know that.
18:08:39 And I continually asking for your patients in terms of how quickly we can respond to anything.
18:08:46 Phone calls requests while we're just trying to work through a continual hiring process.
18:08:49 Really looking to replace amber that's not gonna be easy to do that.
18:08:54 Because you know that position demands a lot out of an employee.
18:08:59 And so that and the skills that are generally required to be able to do the technical aspects and interact with the public are the same skills that are valuable for other organizations
or other positions that pay better reality that we're dealing with right now now that said on the
18:09:16 county administrator is well aware of these issues that my department is going through other departments as well, but it seems like staffing do a revolving door situation a
little bit harder than other departments right now, or at least at least I'm aware of most closely of what we're going
18:09:32 through so we're having conversations about that. We are in negotiations with the various unions of that representative county departments.
18:09:39 Ours is Upcw and the collected bargaining agreement that's in place right now expires at the end of the year, and so negotiations the county has asked to start those negotiations
early.
18:09:48 Maybe there'll be some some ways that we can try to incentivize employment, just like there's an article in paper today, I think in the Pennsylvania News about what cloud counties
are specific positions so you know, it's just a challenge that we have
18:10:03 sometimes out here in Pennsylvania. Wonderful place to live, but not easy with the cost of living.
18:10:07 You know, housing, having whatever double in the past 3 years, or whatever the status.
18:10:12 So wages have increased a little bit, but they're not catching up. It's just a challenge.
18:10:19 How's the Sdr process coming in as far as the background?
18:10:23 Yeah, that's well, we're working through it. But also having challenges there as well.
18:10:28 So we we're at 33, as you know, because you met with us on January first.
18:10:35 And now we're at 66, and working through that awards on that team, we have sort of a core Sdr team, and we've expanded, and George has joined that team as well.
18:10:44 So we have a plan to work through that backlog.
18:10:47 By June thirtieth, which is the end of our transition period, unless things, you know don't know. But we have a plan to do it, and we'll working on it.
18:10:55 So we have transition policies in place right now they're talking about concurrent review where people can't apply for a billing permit or something permanent as long as you've
applied for the Sdr. So you don't have to wait for that process to be complete in
18:11:06 our plan is to catch up and deal with that initial latent demand, Flurry, that we're still working through I mean, one news is that the number of applications, the pace of applications,
has receded as we expected to be closer to I think normal and so we do believe we're you know.
18:11:22 We're making headway despite the currents, and when we get through, that backlog we'll be sort of at a at a better position to be able to produce those products one quickly.
18:11:33 Do you have an idea of how many, and come in? The application is actually coming out of this?
18:11:37 I think it's I don't have the exact number of this over 200.
18:11:42 Since January one.
18:11:46 And most of those, like most of those, did you, for my notification on the public? Can you tell me what an Sdr.
18:12:00 Is, and it's a package that was passed in early October by debris.
18:12:11 That was essentially the principle vehicle to both.
18:12:14 Look to do the land use review on any given parcel upfront before other development permits are applied for our other activities occur on the parcel land is serving activities.
18:12:24 It's also the vehicle for the legal lot of record determination, which is really what instigated the whole moratorium that started in October 2020.
18:12:34 Thank you. Gotcha. I had a international. And I wanna say, thank you because she was prompting it back to me.
18:12:46 We missed each other first time she called back later in the afternoon, and she gave the information I was looking for, and very thorough about it, and she was not certain about
certain situations.
18:12:57 She went, asked. I don't know who came back with her information, so I anchored and appreciated.
18:13:03 I will do that. Thank you for bringing that up, so injury is our other perfect, you know. She just went.
18:13:10 She just passed 6 months for I think maybe 9 months at this point, but less than a year.
18:13:15 I think so so a lot is gonna be dependent on her to help us in this transition period and other staff are pitching in terms of building permit intake point is that we're already
in books and things like that.
18:13:25 But I will mention that, and that is often what happens, especially with the newer staff. George.
18:13:29 And Berlila upfront. She's also new with us.
18:13:32 Is that you know, we'll be able to interact with customers and understand what the questions are.
18:13:38 But sometimes it's gonna be a little bit longer to get back.
18:13:41 You know, they're fairly new. So I have to kinda check with folks that have been around longer like Joel or David Lynch Johnson and others to to get, answered.
18:13:48 I wanna get back to those folks. So that's kinda how it's gonna work for sure until they catch up group Josh, with quick question.
18:13:55 In past years. Acd the city sometimes, and other outfits, but New Co.
18:14:01 Sciences, coming in and getting sometimes the little short course kind of, you know, to professionals and builders, designers, even code officials, come in just kind of a short
course on hey?
18:14:14 These would be most impactful. Be sure these are on your next set of plans this July one.
18:14:18 It changes that kind of thing, any that possibility of doing that just again.
18:14:23 Good to know and get it out to the public early, so that, you know they can prepare.
18:14:30 Yeah, that's a great, great question. Integrate idea. Kevin.
18:14:33 I know that. Yeah, we've been talking to the city, and I mean, you're part of some of those conversations where you have the builders Round Table setup by the Home Leaders Association.
18:14:43 I know this weekend is probably good opportunity to get into that conversation, and maybe make a plan for that kind of thing.
18:14:49 We are the person who's been following most policy for us as a plans.
18:14:53 Examiner. The city has a building official, you know, with that kind of extra piece in our in the county.
18:14:59 It's been traditional for the building official position to sit with the director.
18:15:02 So Branton's actually objective, the person with the most certifications in the bill code is still, I think, Dave and the city.
18:15:11 The building official is probably the best position to be a leader for that particular effort.
18:15:16 So we'll have that conversation and see what we can do.
18:15:18 I know that the publication just came out in today's leader against that's the like.
18:15:25 Spring, home and garden answered, and it's probably got some information.
18:15:29 Maybe some rudimentary interest information from your perspective. But there's that.
18:15:34 And they did actually reprint the entire frequently ask questions that we have on our website for the Sdr programs. That's interesting because I don't have any pages. I didn't.
18:15:43 I haven't opened it up yet. I know that was their plan.
18:15:46 They thought that was the easiest thing to do to try to talk about the Sdr program but I'll take that idea back to you.
18:15:53 Talk more about it.
18:15:58 Discussion of yeah comments. One quick thing is, we've been trying to get new name tags for those who don't have them in, or we're our staff.
18:16:08 Do that? Come in? We've kind of languished on that, because we have no idea where we've got these are made.
18:16:17 There been enough people gone, but as I passed them out tonight I noticed it on back of one of them.
18:16:22 There's a business label with the phone number. So we're gonna call that number and see it.
18:16:31 Yeah, there, you go. That's what we're trying to get to.
18:16:40 Call that number and see it. Are you inspired like we did?
18:16:46 That. Okay, Joel, Albert, is there any public online?
18:16:53 We have our public comment period. The next agenda we do not have any public and let's see here.
18:17:00 So I will close the public comment period next item, is the consent agenda.
18:17:07 We have no consent. Agenda today that I know of.
18:17:11 If we had any. I would entertain a motion to move to receiving the items or we can send you the we'll try to remember that when I represent agenda, hey?
18:17:24 I'm 8 on our agenda is planning commission training.
18:17:28 Joe. Yes, I'm keeping kind of picking up old records from the past.
18:17:35 People do have ladies on with the planning commission, and I need to update on what about training number 2 we need to provide for the short course. And most of you have.
18:17:47 There were a couple of people who didn't. Okay. Make the last December short course training opportunity and so I wanted to be sure that we got you that opportunity.
18:17:57 Was it? It's Cynthia. And was there another yesterday? Oh, you did. Okay.
18:18:07 I'll just need to get the okay. So instead of saying, here, right on the 3 or down to 4 people, I've taken it so I'll get you my certificate.
18:18:16 And then who were the 3 that?
18:18:22 At least twice by there's something that may be presented to it.
18:18:35 I liked it. I it was my business a lot of times, but it was different.
18:18:40 Yeah, and it had a lot of interesting discussion about the role planning commission to interact with Plan commission with the rest of government.
18:18:49 Okay. I thought it was quite instructive. I included one of those ideas in my like word about the housing stuff you know the idea about services, not, you know, something adding
services came from that workshop.
18:19:03 Try hard to get that, see and check it off your list.
18:19:08 Yeah, so wanna take the initiative, just Google Department of Commerce.
18:19:15 And you'll get to the training opportunities. Otherwise I can look it up for you.
18:19:22 There's a reference to it also from Nrc, okay, wonderful.
18:19:29 So that's our base training. We have had other training that the planning Commission has taken.
18:19:37 But we wanna be sure we have at least that under the bill.
18:19:42 And then, as we go forward, maybe there will be another training on some other specific topic that will try to get everybody up to speed.
18:19:50 We wanna meet that benchmark anyway? Thank you. Move to Item 10 on the agenda topic in the State legislature, or expiration of terms.
18:20:02 What I skipped over 9. Yeah. So again, I have some out of date information on the planning commissions terms and the latest planning commissioners that we had.
18:20:20 Re-up, for another term was Chris and Lorna.
18:20:27 And you had to reapply for your position and go through the interview process.
18:20:35 And we have that coming up now for Kevin and Ld.
18:20:40 And so I just wanted to let people know kind of what the process is, and then I'm gonna ask, fill in some information here that we have out of date.
18:20:48 But basically, we're gonna be putting a and add in the paper, certainly that there are 2 vacancies for planning commission.
18:20:58 We're going to put a consent. Agenda.
18:21:01 Item to the board to extend your terms until we go through the higher end process.
18:21:09 Your terms, specifically, and on March seventeenth. So we're a little behind the curve or advertising and interviewing but we'll send you through the golflet with that interview
process and be in touch with times that you can meet with the energy team online and and if you have any
18:21:32 questions along the way. Give me a call, can answer those.
18:21:37 Hey? John, yes, they first need to express interest in what form that they want, filling out the application form for volunteer application.
18:21:51 I'll send that to you.
18:21:53 So it's changed. We don't do the just to say I'm interested in keeping my position.
18:21:58 It's not just a letter you want us to re-apply.
18:22:00 Yeah, okay, yeah.
18:22:07 Indication that you bring those lambs to swat. Yeah, okay, also, I'm gonna go through the appointments that I have so far.
18:22:18 And the first one is Arlene. I have your second of appointment as March of 2020, and it's a 4 year.
18:22:30 Term, so probably march 2024 within your next.
18:22:39 Appointment. Does that sound right to you?
18:22:45 Yeah.
18:22:48 Yeah, it's about right?
18:22:50 And then next Cynthia, I have you as your third appointment was March 2021, and so your next budget will be 22.5 I would have to double check that.
18:23:07 My first appointment was in January of 2015, and that was a partial okay.
18:23:16 When I have your second and third here. Okay? So then, Kevin, I had your fourth appointment as 2019.
18:23:22 And so you're 23. You got here now.
18:23:27 I have your third appointment as March of 2021, and so your re-entry 2024, which I mean.
18:23:44 And then your first appointment was September 2020.
18:23:50 So you're yeah. You're up for this year.
18:23:52 Okay, we have. It's a 4 year appointment.
18:23:56 Isn't that well, then, it would be 25 gotcha.
18:24:05 Yeah, right? And I think I'll save you that. Thank you.
18:24:07 Only came in to. Yeah. When did I come in? What I found down is September 2120, 20.
18:24:19 Okay, that makes sense. The board sent us an email saying that you were up.
18:24:27 And we'll check that I mean, could it be in a partial term, I think? Yeah, I think I should.
18:24:36 Somebody's place that moved. Oh, that's right. Yeah. What's his name?
18:24:40 Went to Texas. Yeah. So he took. Can I go to Texas?
18:24:46 Okay.
18:24:51 Okay, okay? And then Florida, just re-upped in 2022.
18:24:57 Michael, your march 20, fourth, 2024 expired.
18:25:04 And it was 2021 March of 2021 25, and Chris was just 3 22.
18:25:20 So. So that's it. Everybody so kind of the next coming up would be Arlene and.
18:25:33 All right. Sounds good. Thank you for your service.
18:25:38 We can conclude that oh, real quick to just for some other note.
18:25:46 Taking our recording for October nineteenth.
18:25:53 Didn't capture the attendance record. October nineteenth.
18:25:59 You remember, was the first joint Planning commission meeting we had with the city of Port Townsend, and they had the Zoom Meeting that didn't record, and it was kind of a that
awkward AV situation.
18:26:13 But we were talking about the definitions for temporary housing facilities to update them in the ordinance that was just past.
18:26:24 What was the October nineteenth? Saturday, with everything?
18:26:27 Probably mean like that it should be Wednesday. Yeah, it would be been on Wednesday. Yeah, it was. It's strictly online.
18:26:36 So there there wasn't a tens in versus, but I don't have that record.
18:26:42 He wanted to ask you yes or no. Were you in attendance at that?
18:26:48 I don't know was that one that I wasn't in attendance with the joint meeting with the city of Port Townsend.
18:26:58 Yeah, is that the one that we had? There was some like audio or Internet trouble, or something that kind of faded out partially through it, because I was there. And then I couldn't
get back into it.
18:27:15 Yeah, it was yeah, cause I was there and then I couldn't get back into it.
18:27:20 Yeah, it was yeah, cause I was there and then I couldn't get back.
18:27:21 Thank you.
18:27:27 Laura, is there, Matt? Yeah, that was there was there.
18:27:29 Probably, sir.
18:27:31 And Laura and Chris, are you still here?
18:27:36 Oh, did we lose Chris?
18:27:41 He asked her. She was there. I think she.
18:27:43 Chris, can you hear us?
18:27:54 But we could find out.
18:27:54 Yeah, I can hear you. Yes, I can hear you.
18:28:00 Yes, yeah. I was.
18:27:56 Okay, Hi, were you at the October? We're good, great!
18:28:05 We had a who has business. So now I can log to item 10.
18:28:08 Yes. Okay. About the State legislature. And believe Joe's going to meet us on this.
18:28:15 Yeah, or our agenda today. If I ran out of time.
18:28:24 This is where I wasn't going to put a lot of effort and so I don't have a lot data back.
18:28:33 Resources or assumptions to make but what we're talking about with this, this is getting into my Powerpoint.
18:28:43 Probably have to bring it up from the general. Yeah, I have it on my desktop.
18:28:56 We'll see.
18:29:04 Okay.
18:29:10 I'm gonna share the screen right? It shows it there.
18:29:36 Alright!
18:30:01 Just do it again. We'll try this again.
18:30:11 Exactly.
18:30:29 It won't advance. The slides is what we're dealing with right now. Okay, short talking. Hold it. Yeah. Let's try this.
18:30:41 Yeah, I can just bring it up from. Thank you.
18:30:57 Today again? I asked. Alright, fix my computer. And they did reloaded different.
18:31:09 Here we go sharing this meeting.
18:31:43 Okay, and I'll send it that. So.
18:31:47 If you have your packet, or are following the Powerpoint attached to your agenda, we're at the future direction of Growth Management Act insights from State reports and legislative
actions.
18:32:00 So that State legislature charge the Department of Commerce to do a review after the Gma.
18:32:10 Had been in that for 30 years how was it operating in Washington State to the Legislature?
18:32:18 At the University of Washington's, Russell House Center to work on this project, and they call it the Roadmap, and there have been a couple of phases proceeding.
18:32:31 This current thing, this phase 3 is the of the collaborative roadmap recommendations leveraging past efforts for future success and Department of Commerce sent a report to the
Legislature to comply with the Legislature Directive that we review Gmail I haven't had
18:32:55 time to really analyze and digest the record, to come up with a conclusions.
18:33:02 But another source of information that was provided in your packet was the Us.
18:33:06 List of current current House Bills, housing Senate bills, legislative bills in Olympia, that with my!
18:33:17 And so you could look at those and see a number of items that are topic items in gmaid, and that is, with housing and infield development.
18:33:27 And looking at the community's ability, provide additional housing and services.
18:33:35 And there we go.
18:33:39 So this is a operating from my desktop, or with your arrows.
18:33:48 Yeah, this is a time history that I took off of the website and Department of Commerce.
18:33:54 Explaining their involvement in the yeah. Flagrated roadmap.
18:34:00 You know, Joe, I'll admit that I just skimmed this stuff.
18:34:03 Didn't analyze it in depth either, but roadmap to I am a what are they gonna call it? They're calling it a roadmap to gmail framework right?
18:34:17 That's kind of confusing, you know. Roadmap to framework.
18:34:21 Yeah, they want to use attractive language. That's ripping.
18:34:28 And but generally I think they realize that Gma is applied differently in different parts of the State.
18:34:37 That it may not work the same for everyone.
18:34:42 And my focus is on how it works or doesn't work in rural counties.
18:34:47 And so one thing that that had been modified in the Legislature last year was looking at and allowing a lot of leadway, and how you info your land.
18:35:02 Of course, in a rural county, or our situation in Gilston we do allow things like multi-family developments.
18:35:11 However, we don't have fireflow, and so you're not gonna get a loan or insurance for a multi family structure in Brandon, because you don't have enough infrastructure.
18:35:24 There to put out a fire. We'll see, is developing some fireflow.
18:35:30 So those are some issues of where your basic background for infrastructure needs to be in place.
18:35:37 And so we're looking at a lot of legislative proposals this year, too.
18:35:45 That seemed to go in the right direction, to be able to.
18:35:48 I'm thinking encourage uga development and things like that.
18:35:54 But then, oftentimes you're talking about Incorporated New Ga's.
18:35:57 So that leads out our. So what we're keeping our eyes on is things that can help us overcome.
18:36:06 Some of our infrastructure challenges or density requirements to allow density in our Landers.
18:36:14 And one thing that Gma has not historically allowed.
18:36:18 But there are groups to loosen up a little bit.
18:36:21 There's adding density on large onsite septic systems.
18:36:25 We considered large complex systems as not being an urban servant.
18:36:28 So you their GM. Says you gotta have the urban services before you have urban development.
18:36:34 So that's an area that might be softening there a little bit with Gma.
18:36:39 And that could help us in places like or areas that they don't panic.
18:36:46 And you transit that you transit hubs increased density, that because with transit center and some of that or property there, you know, I think it just applies to Stairs.
18:37:06 So that's one of the issues. Yeah, no, there is some good stuff.
18:37:08 So, even though traditional role character as a way of being more open to, you know, traditional character changes.
18:37:19 We're not trying to hold ourselves in the 19 eighties, you know, we need to adapt.
18:37:22 So there! There's some good stuff in there it'd be interesting to see somebody gets through, you know.
18:37:27 Start pulling that thing we're doing. Not right now.
18:37:31 Yeah, a lot of relaxation on landmark would look like, yeah.
18:37:37 Certain nicky thing. Yeah, watch in those bills whether it applies to us.
18:37:46 We are 30,000 or 32,000.
18:37:53 Sometimes it is just incorporated areas to deny out for those.
18:37:57 Yeah.
18:38:00 It, says Uga. It doesn't always say where they're not gonna be incorporated in our.
18:38:08 Yeah, they will. If it is part of the criteria.
18:38:16 Sepa has gone through some changes, too. There have been some.
18:38:22 Different right thresholds that we could adopt for minor new construction.
18:38:27 That's a basic exemption we often use in our offices when 97, 11 paid.
18:38:35 He's minor new construction. So right now our thresholds are you?
18:38:40 Don't do Cbook. You have less than 40 parking spaces in commercial order.
18:38:45 20,000 square feet, or 500 qvr. Interverse.
18:38:50 Moving to certain things like that. This would has some a broader exemptions that in like Joe, question on the master Plan resorts, they have kind of their own.
18:39:03 Our development will some of these new concepts. Back the Master Plan resort and developments in those such as that's the family, Alexis, or to that nature.
18:39:22 Not likely the Nest plan resort is driven through the development Agreement.
18:39:27 So that's already been spelled out. What will be.
18:39:35 The development, bringing to do some additional things. Well, I know the black point.
18:39:41 It's gonna be more just a port logo. With this development that there's a lot of, was it?
18:39:50 I said some day that there's a lot of vacant property for all building import. I'm just wondering complexities or.
18:40:06 Just a question. So it's it's really title 17 of the code that governs the regulations in Portland or the Development Agreement.
18:40:18 It simply talks about what ordinances are gonna be used procedurally.
18:40:25 And substantively for Portlando associates developments, but the entire area is governed under title 17.
18:40:33 That development agreement is set to expire 25.
18:40:38 I guess we have actually a meeting with a portable this week to talk about what their ideas are and what our ideas are so I guess I would say that the development view is not
like applicable.
18:40:49 It's more of what the Code says. The code could always be reevaluated but code is already in urban.
18:40:54 So the Npr. Under Gma is already in urban area regarding it has permanent services.
18:40:59 There are sewer service there. So really no restrictions in that regard.
18:41:02 It was simply the zoning that was put in place years ago.
18:41:04 And I'm not sure if Portlando associates wants to pursue increased density, or whether they're just working on their build out right now.
18:41:12 I mean they we just this past Monday to eliminate approval of a plait alteration for Olympic Terrace 2.
18:41:21 Phase 2 which is one of the subdivisions that they're concentrating on. There.
18:41:24 So I know that they'll wanna talk to us about what their plan is for full build out of that area, and we'll see if they have any ideas about changing the zoning.
18:41:32 Essentially, we have. I, I would say we have some leeway.
18:41:37 We're not really restricted. I would say the same with the URL and rural area for because it isn't, if you already already has open service, so we could, we collectively could
decide to do what we want to do in the Fpr.
18:41:45 And that would be part of the in 25.
18:41:49 On this expires, and be part of that process. With them it all expires.
18:41:54 Right? Yeah, see the develop again, the development agreement is simply an agreement with the developer about what ordinances apply to their proposals.
18:42:03 So the reason why we did this flat alteration from a 1992 subur subdivision ordinance is because of development.
18:42:11 That agreement is set to expire in 25, unless it's extended, or change.
18:42:16 So the the development regulations that apply to the Npr.
18:42:20 As a whole and port level are entitled 17 of our code, and we would bring those regulations to imagine we bring it to the planning commission just like you say, you have to
convince Jack Evans.
18:42:32 We were gonna change the zoning like the land use map for any of the dominant, because you have each other on our association there that have their own bylaws of that which
allows certain things to be built in their areas as well as the development integration.
18:42:49 Okay? Right? Well, that's make sense. But you can change the code.
18:42:56 County legislation, okay?
18:43:03 Yeah, I guess I wouldn't say, it doesn't have anything to do with them.
18:43:07 But they I mean, cause they'd be a player and a stakeholder.
18:43:11 But it, we as they're counting regulations for the county. Yeah.
18:43:16 Okay, thank you. Okay, so next is getting into what we're gonna work on today.
18:43:21 We're gonna talk about our 2023 suggested, and they're all site specific amendments comprehensive plan for meeting.
18:43:32 Submit, okay. 2024. And how that might interact with what we're doing in 2023.
18:43:41 And then ultimately the 2025 Periodic Review.
18:43:44 And so I'm gonna go through the amendments that we received in our office today's march first.
18:43:51 Okay. This was the deadline, for any reason, proposes to our office, and we received 3 proposals, or this amendment cycle.
18:44:01 And these 3 because they didn't pay for and requested by these applicants, are gonna go through the whole process through adoption.
18:44:11 And December. They are put on this preliminary docket, and they'll also follow along to the final docker they won't be dropped off like some of our work plan items get dropped
off for various reasons.
18:44:26 We don't have those applications so we don't have those applications in this that we don't have those applications.
18:44:34 And that's what we've got is so the first one is from the dory farms.
18:44:35 The proposal is to rezone about 14 and a half acres from rural residential one and 5 to egg lands.
18:44:43 Yeah, I'm not likely. Hey? Glance, either.
18:44:46 A. L. 20 or ap. 20 and it's adjacent to existing agricultural land and the advantage to them would be a tax benefit.
18:45:04 I'm assuming and being used as agricultural land.
18:45:08 And so the egg land designation would give them some agricultural exemptions that we have in our code.
18:45:17 In 1831 30, and we also have things like farm market housing that is available to agricultural areas that as well as Naga tourism, ed lance.
18:45:30 This is a map showing where it's located. We'll see and.
18:45:38 This is the zoning, and I measured out 500 foot analysis zone.
18:45:46 The application, asks for what is zoning and conditions within 500 feet of the proposal.
18:45:59 Yes, I'm their next door. Neighbor.
18:45:52 You see, we have some egg lands existing here, and yes.
18:46:07 Yeah.
18:46:03 Right there. So this is Chris's land here, Nana, this I.
18:46:16 Was, this is the 500 foot analysis zone.
18:46:21 And so this is Chris's property here and up here, and this is composed of 2 parcels that's owned by Mmj.
18:46:32 Investments like Joyce Murphy, and she leases to Madori farms.
18:46:37 At this point, and his thing applicant, pass the landowner for the proposed a Resell.
18:46:46 Now you, one item about this is that it is 14 and a half acres, and our minimum Al 20 is a 20 acre zone designation.
18:46:58 However, since it's a budding and adjoining existing agricultural lands, and through the history of how we have designated egg lens, we have a lot of smaller parcels.
18:47:13 If we refer to our comprehensive plan, goals and policies, there are a lot of strong statements about preserving agricultural lands and Dori Barn says this is some of the best
farmland, and so zoning in lands would be
18:47:33 worth!
18:47:35 Having a larger continuous area of that zone. No, it doesn't meet the 20 acre designation for that zone.
18:47:46 But and mine is.
18:47:51 Does it matter so much because it is designated more agricultural land?
18:47:58 I'm sorry.
18:47:56 Sound, like Chris dog. That's okay. Someone was giggling.
18:48:04 It? Okay? So quickly. There's there's you can see the dividing line of the 2 parsons here, one here.
18:48:15 Any questions about this proposal. Family? Yeah, I don't know that. Would you say, would you have like, oh, Chris might know that.
18:48:31 Cause. It's been a pretty ongoing concern for quite a while, so.
18:48:34 It's been farmed for many, many years.
18:48:38 Yeah.
18:48:39 My farm is one of the oldest homesteads in Quilcine, and my almost 50 acres is all that's left of a section of land, and Madori farms has been farmed before them.
18:48:58 It was cattle, so it's been farmed.
18:49:02 The whole. This whole area has been farmed for many, many years.
18:49:07 Thank you, Chris. We'll have more information on these.
18:49:13 The next one is based on housing, and this one is located in the port handlock.
18:49:20 Urban growth area. You can see, this is the this.
18:49:25 Red marks are the outlining, the parsons.
18:49:27 There are 3 parcels clustered together. This is the.
18:49:34 And this is the crossroads which State Route 1 16 or Qfc.
18:49:39 The crossroads and headlock so it's just down.
18:49:44 This is our urban zoning.
18:49:48 Commercial, what, based on housing is doing is to convert Headloc Hotel to permanent support of how it great, and so their request is to take these 3 parcels from the Commercials
zone and rezone identity residential like we have here across the room so so it's
18:50:14 commercial right. Now, at the moment we have a transitional zone which is.
18:50:26 Might be one, of the time, or something that's before Super's. There.
18:50:29 As the rule.
18:50:33 We don't have this in our packet. They're all doing.
18:50:38 It's sorry. It's a Rdc. That's it.
18:50:44 So this just to ride today. So just a preview sneak preview.
18:50:53 Cool. So you're dealing with Gary on this, basically, I mean, I don't recall there was an underboard that's changed.
18:51:03 I think it is, Gary, I think so, too. I think it just kinda came in as an application, so I think he's been talking with rent a bit.
18:51:11 But where I was personally actually surprised by I had heard anything about it, but in terms of a reasonable for you know, permanent urban growth area designation that hasn't
even practically come into effect.
18:51:22 I mean, it's an existence, but it has a because see where it's not there yet.
18:51:27 But really it has to do with. And Joel, explain why.
18:51:31 I mean, I think really, they bought their intention is to do housing and it's in a commercial zone that was originally designated back when the urban standards were put into
place.
18:51:39 Strictly for commercial, so that was even back in a day when I think people either didn't have an appetite to talk about mixed use selling, or simply just wanted to make sure
there was enough commercial land available so that land was designated commercials right on one I know the main route there in
18:51:55 terms of Central or Hamilton, so I think that they would, since that commercial designation doesn't contemplate residential use.
18:52:02 The new owners of this property want to do residential use of?
18:52:09 It, and they don't work in their mouth. But that's my speculation about why they do, requested significant demand that we yeah, exactly.
18:52:16 Yeah. I'm sorry. No, I was just gonna say, you know, they side does really responsible planning in mind experience.
18:52:25 And they know what they're doing. So and these commercial zones could be three-worked to previously to be mixed.
18:52:37 Use might be able to get it, both in the way if we wanted to look at that as a possibility.
18:52:45 I know that the way that had like hotel is set up now wouldn't really be shops in the bottom and housing, not the facility.
18:52:54 But yeah, yeah, that might be a future redevelopment idea is to have a mixed use.
18:53:01 Resolve that we, and with the conversations and done, we, are bringing in some other practical aspects of it, in the last number of attempts that I've seen in the city, that
it killed several commercial projects or residential projects due to forcing me.
18:53:17 And I get it really high denser scenarios.
18:53:22 It's a great networks in the same place, but you are in the same place.
18:53:28 But in our instance, what I've found is a project for poultry, that commercial. It's a very urban concept it's a very pervent concept. It works like right in certain. There
is a critical mass required to you know, they don't have enough commercial that
18:53:41 those spaces don't remain vacant, and that's what the first thing they tell you I'll be sitting on 10 months of begging space down there in my.
18:53:53 So the next one is a of the call. The Gifford property.
18:53:58 There's a family that owns this 17 acres, and I'll already be here.
18:54:04 This is Anderson Lake Road, and we've got high highway.
18:54:12 Route 19. This is HD. Care. Next to the if you lean your head out to store, you have an owl's eyesight, you might be able to see it.
18:54:25 So it's their proposal is to take this real residential 20 and resume into real residential 5, which is 17 acres.
18:54:35 You get 3 lots, or 3 parcels out of that so they're the next step would be a 3 lots subdivision.
18:54:41 What are the zones of the area around that? I think I have that kind of next slide surrounded by our 20 and our our one.
18:54:54 Yeah, we'll prepare all this is, yes, yeah. So what is the actual zoning of that?
18:55:01 Skr is that it's actually our one to 20 only because again, I think you know, sometimes zone just kind of applied to a whole area and an individual partnership really picked
up. Don't know the history behind why, that decision was named but really to the to the West is the Rr one to 20
18:55:17 and then across across the highway, and then little to the south is the R.
18:55:21 1 5 borders, one to 5, chord is both 25.
18:55:27 Okay, so, here's where we're gonna go with this next is we'll be looking at this spreadsheet.
18:55:39 That shows 2023. Test 2024 and 2022.
18:55:46 And then we also have some resources here.
18:55:51 These are.
18:56:02 Proposals from the Atlantic Commission 2019 2020, 2021, and then the very back.
18:56:10 Yes, community development applications, or in science, or for a suggested text amendment so I included this one here because it shows what exhibits.
18:56:23 That are part of a complete application of what gets considered. And you're recognizing.
18:56:30 And Addison. They are similar to our standard findings that we make.
18:56:39 But it's too late for the plan, Commissioner like we did something tonight, right?
18:56:43 Well, this is what we're gonna do. Okay, since March first is today.
18:56:50 And we've got a couple of placeholders, and one of them is a placeholder for housing in the broad sense of those things that we need to work on in following the planning commissions
priorities, and then the other placeholder are udc amendments that we've been talking
18:57:13 about, which are on.
18:57:16 On this spreadsheet. These are the we have mostly quick and easy ones that we so we're trying to clear the decks and complete the new DC items that we've been bringing to the
planning commission.
18:57:31 We started in April last year. Spreadsheet to you, and looking at what we might.
18:57:42 Take off and work on, and so we're bringing it back again as, Hey, you work, plan.
18:57:49 Item. So the idea is to.
18:57:53 Have a discussion that would help refine and perfect an application in this format.
18:58:01 Of those items that the Climate Commission is going to talk to me about with housing and I'm gonna advance a little bit in these slides just to orient us a little more, and
then it's down to flip chart and I sharing and looking at that.
18:58:21 This, we'll go through the calendar, and so we all have a sense of how the annual cycle works, and the tasks that need to be done.
18:58:30 Then also I gave you a highlighter. But I want these back.
18:58:36 At the end of the meeting. Oh, this is our, this is our code table.
18:58:47 Of the allowed use table, and we'll I like some areas here that address thousands, and you'll see some gaps as well.
18:58:57 So that gives us the gap analysis to put up some ideas to help perfect.
18:59:04 And shape this housing proposal. We're gonna do this again.
18:59:09 Next meeting to.
18:59:13 To come up with the scope of housing items.
18:59:17 You want to work on. And so that's the reason that I brought up the old.
18:59:23 Docket items. We maintain this list of ideas.
18:59:29 They don't just go in the trash if we don't work on, and I know we've had a number of of proposals from the planning commission that have not been worked on for various reasons
that are outlined here, so this kind of comes back onto the table we're looking at our
18:59:48 hyperparity items that we went through our prioritization workshops and look at the annual control.
18:59:57 Yes, you might ask a question. We we had some very good presentations on housing the Docc recently, and wouldn't be be a good foundation for developing our our suggestions here.
19:00:15 No, no, we want to extend from the point we are now right.
19:00:22 So that's a great point in how we're thinking about this.
19:00:27 We don't wanna we don't wanna backtrack.
19:00:28 Let me go forward in this. And so when we did the annual report, and had a joint meeting with the board, we had our plan commission priorities for the comprehensive plan.
19:00:42 I'm gonna go for the Udc. Items.
19:00:49 And then how is it? This is the the statement that planning commission may that we wish to emphasize the importance of working on the following housing issues, combining, combining
priority items one through 4 on the ranking exercise list, so number one was a man existing regulations boarding house
19:01:11 ordinance, we don't have boarding counts in our code.
19:01:15 That was. It's part of it. The evaluation in our used to where there's no boarding house in here to evaluated regularly.
19:01:26 There is an amendment to come. Housing and Table 3, one Jccc.
19:01:31 Is what I'm waiting here. There's a work on it, and then flandering residential development, trying to increase the incentive or make that code a little easier to work with.
And then, last, the housing facilities ordinance.
19:01:51 Is, amendment code, housing. I'm blanking on the meaning of this right now, and somebody help me out.
19:02:02 This is one of our priorities we were talking about looking at housing in general, and not just doing temporary housing facilities like we need completed or as well, brown,
but looking at housing in in a broader sense, I think that's the housing slowly these orders are referring to in this priority which is that
19:02:24 where? Hmm. About making available housing for groups of people. But there would be a Central Kitchener or something. And then what you're talking about or not?
19:02:42 I have no idea I mean David Wayne's. I mean.
19:02:45 I don't know. I have a co- housing or not. Co.
19:02:48 Hunting buddy, but a housing concept where you have different family groups in our large house and sharing.
19:03:00 There's a sliding scale of what you might call it.
19:03:05 So there's various things, maybe, in between these. So that's where this is our starting point.
19:03:11 But that gets that. That's the issue I was talking about before.
19:03:14 Have you talked about in 3, if I remember yeah. But it sounds to me it's been.
19:03:25 Matt doesn't think that that any of these related to what he presented to the Oc.
19:03:25 Well, we had the I'm not sure where it would fit into.
19:03:28 Those, you know, kind of broad brush, but I mean I think it summarized really well on minutes and a lot of those are overarching ideas. So I guess Beckett jumped in. Chris.
19:03:47 They're also in the old I mean, that makes their own ego. It's going back like it's several years recognizing that tackling housing is a multi year effort, right?
19:04:01 And multi-pronged effort, you can only do so much in the year 2023, and then we've got 2024 ahead of us.
19:04:09 This is really gonna be a lot of the laywork for the 2025.
19:04:14 You got a great update which is due in the middle of 2025.
19:04:18 So, so recognizing that, and recognizing that the planning Commission has prioritized housing issues in general and also identifying some.
19:04:27 And if yours is not specifically referenced, that's not, it's not on purpose, or I think these are the things that you're talking about.
19:04:39 In addition, it doesn't. I guess I'm saying, oh, this is your opportunity.
19:04:39 Our opportunity to take this placeholder sort of amorphous amendment idea that we put in The hopper, together with our own.
19:04:46 We're going to concentrate on the Udc.
19:04:49 And they're also gonna help you on the other piece.
19:04:53 But really I look at it like this. If you look at the schedule, we basically have a month to decide.
19:04:59 What exactly do you want to see this year from a compliment, amendment, perspective or code amendment?
19:05:05 What specifically and then it's, do you want to see?
19:05:08 Considered, in this year's docket. And you have basically this month to decide that because by the time we actually decide what's going to be on the docket when we go from the
board and they make that decision, then we need to have specific plan in line out proposals for the code, so this is your
19:05:23 chance to start thinking about it. The next meeting we're going to continue to think about.
19:05:26 You can have subcommittees to think about it, and put some sort of, I guess, when I heard you talk, man, at the last meeting like to be.
19:05:32 Maybe I missed some of the backgrounds. I wasn't part of conversations over the last couple of years, but eventually we need to get what it is that you're talking about, or
anybody else's interest about.
19:05:42 Prv. You mentioned that Kevin and others. We need to get like a actual code amendment proposal.
19:05:48 That's gonna be part of this docket, or we decide we're gonna continue to work on that on the side.
19:05:52 And then put it into next year's cycle so you would say, if these topics here, they're more focused, is it was basically, I would say that this is a menu and then you have topics
under under the umbrella of having that you could consider to
19:06:11 put onto this year's docket with some specificity that we need to really work on and focus on on this one.
19:06:18 I wanted to point out on this document one of the documents that you handed out.
19:06:22 This was the 2021 Francis plan, and you did see text message for limited docket. So it was in our practice of papers in the middle of that page are 2 that were proposal.
19:06:37 The Mla. 19 dash 0 0 0 2 0.
19:06:42 That was the.
19:06:50 I think 2019 was the first time we did it, and then 1011, 1933.
19:06:59 At the end of that paragraph it says, one might consider that A.
19:07:05 The ecosystem.
19:07:14 0 2, 3. That was suggesting an amendment to a plan to add a priority work item for the housing element.
19:07:21 Action plan could mean a panelist it's in the last sentences one might consider that an Ec.
19:07:28 Edu and housing Element plan, those 2 that I just mentioned being coordinated with and inserted into the Jefferson County for towns and 1,000 Action Plan Network.
19:07:39 So that's the reference to those specific proposals that we have.
19:07:43 The planning Commission has put forward before. I don't know exactly what that means in terms of this process, but this is sort of this hidden sentence there didn't stand out,
and then calling it out.
19:07:58 So that I think, yeah, I think if I were to explain the background, I think our surprise, maybe, is because we've been really told not to make anything, you know.
19:08:11 In fact, when we made something we're told, no numbers say, in prices of analysis at 100 bucks an hour.
19:08:22 A little bit. I mean, it's written in there just to it's like an insurmountable amount of time will take per view, like the idea that we cannot.
19:08:32 And so is that it was kind of humiliation in a way to like sacrifice.
19:08:40 And then really shut down, and then to be welcomed back.
19:08:46 I'm like, okay, let's put these ideas together.
19:08:48 Let's work proactively. And so like, we've been trying to like, not make anything to define, because.
19:09:00 We're very quickly got 0 support, like, out of principle.
19:09:05 And it was humiliating and.
19:09:11 We don't have time for that anymore. So we need to like keep moving forward.
19:09:16 So that's why we tried. I mean, you know, in our subcommittee we tried to come up more general ideas, hoping that somebody will have the ability to put the pieces together,
and hoping that the Commissioners will and the Director will begin to see kind of what we're bring in from Queen's planning perspective and I think it works in the
19:09:38 joint we've got there, where they're good ideas, original ideas coming out of Commissioner's director.
19:09:45 But I still feel like it's not our role to.
19:09:48 I mean, you know, we could totally like write anything and pushing, but we want to be efficient, proactive, and collaborative, and we only wanna make smart ones. So that's why.
19:10:03 And don't. So yes, we can come up with something.
19:10:07 We have ideas. This is that opportunity. All that stuff previously.
19:10:14 Now, because, for instance, even define works in in a better way, or in a way at all I think it's gonna help, and that's what there's things that we got a month we could do.
We can come up with a few things that we could say, hey, this is something we will propose and there's a
19:10:30 planning commission. We can agree on then we're able to push more into this.
19:10:35 Cycle. It's like I got 40Â h to put towards it this month, you know, right. But who's but who?
19:10:42 I'm staffed anybody on the staff at any time to like.
19:10:48 Well, we're not trying to write the code for you so much as we're trying to direct you towards.
19:10:50 You know something that's a little easier to define like boarding house.
19:10:54 You know that we can probably nail or get nailed down pretty good, but and of course, conceptually, even co- housing with European, Northern, European, Southern, European, they're
all different, you know, so trying to lock those in a little bit so that we can see how it might protect or encourage additional hours you
19:11:14 know even the idea of the Eco housing, you know, or you know, in additional density, for for you know, non impact, there's a 0 impact on the environment. That kind of thing.
19:11:30 And the interesting thing is in this current. Bill Cycle.
19:11:32 There are housing bills specifically saying, we want to allow a third or fourth potential residence in a rural area all of this could come together. I met 30 days is tight.
19:11:46 But let's throw some ideas out there and make that happen.
19:11:47 Well, then, 30 days, although which ones that direction. And we we can work on that and on the other thing is that then hopefully state, might, you know, come right back behind
us, and we're working on ours and facilitating some of this.
19:12:02 So we're right in line with we're working on ours and facilitate some of this.
19:12:12 So we're right in line with, Yeah, I mean, that's right, I think, actually moving in a very big direction already.
19:12:14 If I have tear on things that the planning commission has brought forward, and this reflects all the work we've done over the last couple of years yes, it's brazen.
19:12:24 I think it seems like good building point to get something done yeah, it's time to stop talking and put something in the voc you can approve.
19:12:35 Yeah. Well, so if I may, let's let's go with these items to where I want to go with this is to find out which ones are one year sized items which one are 2 year size items.
19:12:53 And so, which are good to be so when I first joined, like the first week that I joined during last June, there was this temporary sighting of housing facilities.
19:13:08 That was like the third version of an emergency control and that was being finalized, and it only applies.
19:13:18 It only is relevant to proposals to for the temporary signing of those facilities right?
19:13:25 And did it. Consequently permanent sighting for reasons I don't know, I'm sure there were reasons why then, all of a sudden, casual Brown comes along, and that is clearly a
permanent facility.
19:13:38 It's a county owned property that has a long-term lease now to a particular housing service provider.
19:13:44 There's all kinds of plans. And then all the sudden applications that we're being asked, well, how do you then approve this?
19:13:50 And I looked at it as the Cody administrator.
19:13:52 I said, Well, we have all this great language that was worked on I have my commission on board, and other partners but it doesn't apply because it's only for temporary settings,
so I just scratch my head and says why can't we make why can't we consider just housing
19:14:05 facilities. And then we could talk about temporal aspects of that and so I think that's what that is like.
19:14:11 How do we turn that temporary signing into something because there are permanent cause? We had to look at the table and say, it's either gonna be in central public facility
which will be a map change which is supported County Commissioner's decision.
19:14:25 But there's a lot of top priority to do that it's like for like, and or some schools in some cases, or we needed an unnamed residential use which is awkward, you know, and that's
what we're going to right now, actually with that which Joel is gonna have
19:14:40 to pure before hearing. Zammer say, Yeah, we don't have it in our area.
19:14:43 We have this unnamed resident. At least we had the flexibility in our code for that. But he's gonna have to go from the areas that were splitting that it's a unnamed residential
use that we're considering.
19:14:55 I think we need to get a little more secure. What do you need from us to have a little more secure?
19:15:07 What do you need from us to lead you through what I want from you today?
19:15:09 And we're running out of time, so we'll go quickly and we'll go through the material.
19:15:13 You'll have it in front of you as you go home and contemplate it, and know why I put it together.
19:15:21 So. This you recognize. As our annual cycle. And there's certain benchmarkks that we hit so.
19:15:30 And then this is the benchmarks, or a number of time spans 2023, 2024, and then the periodic Review.
19:15:40 There's a lot to fill in here, but this is basically gets us there.
19:15:45 What I would like to do is to get a sense for how we put together these different items.
19:15:57 I've got Circle Square triangle on the board here, and which ones fit together.
19:16:05 Which ones are unique. What opportunities do we have to pull things together what opportunities do we have?
19:16:14 Talk. Let's just outline which ones we wanna work 2 years.
19:16:22 On which ones do we wanna buy off and complete? I think boarding house, in my opinion, in my humble opinion.
19:16:28 Boarding House is an important issue. It may not end up being call boarding House.
19:16:35 It might be something else, and with it is an exo housing we can't really separate 2, because they're so similar, yet different among the different types of cohousing you can
do.
19:16:51 Let's call that a a blob, if you will, of ideas and directions, and make that an item to work on this year.
19:17:03 Let's think of the 2024 items we may be this housing facilities, ordinance is going to be a 2 year item where we're looking at overall.
19:17:13 How do we shape down this? Use table let's take a look at this real quick and then we'll go back to the what I just had in my hand.
19:17:21 We've got time. So on the first page of our usable we have residential us at the very top.
19:17:29 We have single family housing and multifamily housing anyways so single family.
19:17:35 We have 80 80 use caretaker residences, co-hoing, intentional communities subject to plan.
19:17:42 Where residential developments, which I think is hey rubric for putting in ecoat use. I didn't hear.
19:17:51 I think they're similar enough where we ought to start shaving that.
19:17:56 And I'm going to be with you on how that might trendslate to.
19:18:00 Code language or the perspective that we have in a in a planned development with particular standards that would apply to that.
19:18:13 We have manufactured mobile phone parks.
19:18:17 When we had the ability to do a manufactured mobile Home Park.
19:18:20 They're pretty much grandfathered in unless they're in the urban growth area.
19:18:26 You can't be putting that kind of density out.
19:18:28 The counting. So that's something that's kind of interesting.
19:18:33 Maybe there's active boarding. How are we gonna get multiple people?
19:18:38 Housed in an area that or other crossroads, or smaller kind of landmarks that need housing.
19:18:51 So then we've got firework for housing.
19:18:54 It says c. 1820, 3, 0. That's our farm worker housing in the Ag section of our code.
19:19:00 That's where the farms could benefit from the reason, you know, it's kind of no, all the way across the table other than see 1820 on trail.
19:19:09 Yeah, for? Multifamily, you'll notice that we're kind of limited on where that's gonna be allowed 3 plus units.
19:19:18 We've got our real village centers, which would be brilliant.
19:19:24 Our urban growth area and neighborhood visitor crossrooms.
19:19:30 Oh, also general crossroads. So an example of general crossroads.
19:19:35 Thank you. Any shine.
19:19:39 Shine. Yes, courtesy for you all, general crossroom, residential care facilities, nursing.
19:19:55 We don't have anything through temporary emergency shelter, housing, homeless housing things like that.
19:20:02 So this is where we want to kinda shake out what we've got.
19:20:06 Now, and you'll see what we don't have in the use table.
19:20:12 So take a look at this. Used to. It's gonna give me some ideas under small scale, recreation and tourism.
19:20:19 People are coming into our office trying to set up small scale recreation and tour experiences and using them for housing.
19:20:26 The campgrounds, the cabins, things like that, and saying we wanna you know we wanna rent them out or use it for, or housing people.
19:20:36 That's not quite really what that's about.
19:20:38 This is for recreation and tourism. So kinda go through that and take it.
19:20:43 Pay attention to kind of the patterns that you've seen of, where they're allowed, where they're not allowed.
19:20:49 You'll see the more intensive uses, or more numerous cabins, or something, are our pointed towards our larger commercial euro.
19:21:02 Commercial zones. So back to this spreadsheet our 2023 amendment cycle begins today.
19:21:14 March, and so I made a calendar of March through December for 2023, and for 2024 and 2025.
19:21:23 I just did it by quarter. So kind of shorten the the paper here, so we receive our applications.
19:21:31 That was today. By March fifteenth we'll have a planning commission meeting the next March fifteenth.
19:21:40 Our next planning commission, and I think it's so.
19:21:48 We'll provide these applications put them into a format that fits with the public's sites.
19:21:57 And so you'll see this. Oh, application formed!
19:22:07 This is going to have the submittal requirements, you know.
19:22:11 Show what the line in line out would look like, what kind of what would it look like in the use table that we installed?
19:22:17 Boarding asks, and so we'll complete that next meeting.
19:22:23 How we're going on to like April or March 17.
19:22:27 We need to have through parent preliminary docket, so we'll take the site.
19:22:32 Specific ones will take our blobs here. Boarding houses, and then we might also take a look at our Udc list.
19:22:44 We wanna do all of these in one day. Omnibus that we might see some lid.
19:22:49 Thanks that Evan was talking about that could fit into 8, 20 or performance standards have to be confused with the local improvement district.
19:23:05 But so here you've got resources to see.
19:23:11 Where would these ideas fit in? What would the line in line out look like it's the specific text you?
19:23:16 So that'll happen our next meeting, March seventeenth, which is a Friday, we put together our preliminary docket, and it gets sent to the Board down Commissioners.
19:23:29 They see kind of what's come into our office.
19:23:33 What are we looking at for 2023, and then we can have an optional workshop with the board at this preliminary docket stage and have a joint meeting again.
19:23:43 April fifth. That's our first April meeting, planning to do.
19:23:50 Will have a staff report on the Premier docket.
19:23:54 That's where we're. Kinda we'll do that before we send it to the board.
19:23:58 April nineteenth is the next planning Commission meeting.
19:24:01 We will have a hearing on the preliminary document.
19:24:07 So this public input just started the see what the public says.
19:24:12 And shaking these out, but should go forward what should not go forward, or what are what are we missing?
19:24:19 Good news is the docker proposals from the public are fairly straightforward.
19:24:25 Maybe the base sided on is a little more tricky.
19:24:28 But yeah, yeah, and there've been years to see 10 different public proposals it's nice to have a manageable number.
19:24:36 It will happen. Those documents in our next packet, and it feels like we should AIM high because we can always drop something later right?
19:24:50 Yeah, yeah. So it's okay to fight off more than maybe you like, we can always put something off.
19:24:57 Yeah, and easily.
19:25:03 Time and whatnot. But yeah, that's put it all over housing.
19:25:11 Houses like, Co, housing. Yeah, it is mixed in that same genre of discussion and that David Wayne Johnson's The community was at least called the community.
19:25:22 Yeah, so another way of looking at it. This I'm not sure.
19:25:26 I agree with the notion of biting off as much as we can when sometimes, when you overshoot, it makes the whole topic foggy.
19:25:38 By, buying off the price of stink topic we can present it very thoroughly and make progress I I it's very discouraging to me to make suggestions.
19:25:51 That are behind the sky and Dealtc says, build a pie in this guy.
19:25:56 I didn't mean then. It never gets done. I just mean a little bit, you know, like, like in business.
19:26:05 Yeah, these are rather, this is really ambitious. Yeah, this is something, you know, 1820 or this is 1820 3 year for.
19:26:15 So they're kind of in the same area.
19:26:18 The code. Some of it is in there like Co. Housing in the code.
19:26:25 This is just limited to egg lands. Maybe it needs to be boarding house or and call it.
19:26:33 Workforce housing. Yeah, that kind of approach. And maybe it by best from the farm worker and becomes more of a stronger. You know, workforce housing.
19:26:46 So this is kind of how we're gonna maybe be pulled out of a culture right?
19:26:51 Yeah, right? So those are the specifics that we've been trying nailed down a little bit run by you guys for clarification.
19:26:59 That's the kind of nuts and bolts, and I like to see it so anyway, as we're going through this year, we've got our Bocc. Considers the preliminary docket in May May eighth.
19:27:21 We have possibly a hearing at the board. Then the final docket isn't shaped until June or July, and then once that final docket, that's what's gonna adjourn. What we're working
on.
19:27:36 That's where we shave it down to the specific project.
19:27:41 And at that point planning commission can take site visits to the site.
19:27:47 Specific proposals. I put our planning commission retreat in there, too.
19:27:51 August is probably a better month than September, because in September, December first, we need a our staff report and see Butter dandem completed on the final docket we send
out our Department of Commerce 60 day.
19:28:05 Notice that we're intending to amend our comprehensive plan, and then we have September sixth is a planning commission meeting.
19:28:14 We'll go through our staff report in our final docket analysis, and then September 20, we have another public hearing, and that's all of the our stuff goes to that.
19:28:30 Yeah, so the public weighs in on what our work is with specific comments on each item.
19:28:37 That's where we would invite the people to come and present there various proposals to the planning commissioner.
19:28:45 And then we go on through the year course and additional details here, but drop down to 2,000 for them.
19:28:53 March of 2023. In this work consistency, 2 year amendments to prepare for the 2024 cycles.
19:29:04 So we're kind of we don't wanna lose momentum on something that would that needs to be done.
19:29:12 But we can chart out sure. Yeah, longer. Process for some of these things. They're just too big to address completely and adequately.
19:29:23 They'll get dropped off or maybe something gets dropped off and Sears preliminary docket.
19:29:29 We could say, well, next year we'll work on that.
19:29:32 So it will probably happen around July when the board is setting the final docket.
19:29:41 That will know what drops off. We'll have an idea.
19:29:45 Here. I put it in July, bocc, input, on the 2024 work plan.
19:29:50 It's kind of a point where we'll see the reality of those things that really are gonna take longer to address.
19:30:01 And so the first quarter 2024. We go through this again.
19:30:04 March first deadline hits, and we'll be back here talking about.
19:30:08 What have we prepared? Over 2023 to address in this year's annual amendment?
19:30:15 And we go through the whole process here. Now in the periodic review Chart.
19:30:22 Here we've got a point where I see. Maybe it's no. It's in the 2024 we would have a resolution to defer the 2025 amendments like.
19:30:37 And so we wouldn't have to address any annual amendments while we're trying to finish up the paragraph review.
19:30:43 So that's kind of the thinking here is is as we're going through what fits together.
19:30:49 What are our housing issues? That is high priority housing issues?
19:30:54 What is in the code and the Udc.
19:30:58 That really you see, start seeing some gaps in here or ways we can take what exists like in the plan role, residential development.
19:31:06 Remember this, this is an overlay district. It's in 1850.
19:31:10 And you're not gonna find it 1920. So that's it. Kind of is hidden.
19:31:15 In 1850, what do we need to do to make that incentive better so that people wanna do these?
19:31:22 We've only done a couple of, and it allows for cluster development.
19:31:27 It allows for bonus density, and it allows you to modify the Udc.
19:31:33 If you have a better idea than what we've said in the code.
19:31:37 So that's where there's some creativity.
19:31:41 In that, so but those things you just end up, aren't they true right now?
19:31:50 Yeah, that's the way it is now. But the incentives, the 20% density.
19:31:55 Only gives you an extra unit. It doesn't really cancel out that it's that big of a buns for the.
19:32:05 So that would be part of the discussion we make that more attractive, or perhaps how?
19:32:11 How can we make it more? Very. I mean, I think we just need more options more widely applicable to different things.
19:32:21 And yeah, different things, more options to that for different it comes from different lifestyle choice, you know, like small units, people like big buildings, people like apartments,
people like every you know, people like all different sorts of things.
19:32:38 And.
19:32:41 I. What I think is attractive about having an ec component is, it makes things stronger against the challenges.
19:32:50 But it's also a choice, you know. It's a consumer choice where it's a personal choice, or you know, you consider a health choice, whatever.
19:33:00 So maybe regulatory. It's not needed.
19:33:04 And for it happens.
19:33:08 But the same time, shouldn't people have that choice I mean, isn't that a little bit insulting to say you don't need to have that sure.
19:33:14 Let me. Can't we develop something there and then that would be my instinct would be to have a 2 year program where to go something for the uga and then try to apply it elsewhere?
19:33:30 Got it getting on to the seduction they should occur.
19:33:32 Our next meeting today capture. That is, is Uga, the starting point you're saying, as a good place to start for, like Samantha for, like some innovations cause there's more
freedom and less stress.
19:33:51 But you're also going to work for like some innovations cause there's more freedom and less stress.
19:33:56 But we're also going to focus on what we're going to talk about here.
19:33:56 What are we going to do? And so here we are.
19:34:01 I I knew I was gonna have a little bit bring it together.
19:34:05 But what I want you to understand is that we've got we've got these 3 things advancing together, and so what we don't do this year of these is, let's think through it.
19:34:19 And in 2 years, and not, and kind of remember, when we did, the prioritiesization exercise, and we had those 4 quadrants of urgent and not important, that urgent, important,
but not urgent with 7 things, we wanna be developing information and data and ideas so that we're not just starting our
19:34:37 engines are, March first, 2024. So think of it as a 2 year plan, and our sub communities can keep those kinds of things going and developing.
19:34:48 So see that as an option, 2024 of what we can't by the.
19:34:55 And then I would encourage you to be familiar with the comprehensive plan.
19:35:02 Of course, as I always say, and look at some of the land use and housing action plan on items specifically.
19:35:09 But then the goals and policies you probably find a pathway there and that's what we hang our head on when we're bringing proposals forward is the comprehensive plan.
19:35:21 So don't forget that. And then and then I'll be packaging up Udc.
19:35:27 On this into its own package. So generally, what we've got, our 2 areas of information development, the housing ideas, it break into 2 different housing packages.
19:35:40 Or decide we're gonna lump one similar set of ideas together in one, and then pick the other one in 2024, and keep working on it as so that's for next week again, any questions
about the process, or what I can do to support you.
19:36:00 Good afternoon. How can I get like how how's sacrificed to be respectful of your time?
19:36:08 But I think maybe we should, weeping through reactions here as a Prv.
19:36:14 And I think there's overlapping with your I agree. I mean, I really see what you're saying.
19:36:19 There, I always have that. I think that. Yeah, we're at the end of our meeting right now. It's not like to me that we have a lot to do.
19:36:30 Our next meeting, and I suggest that we see what the conventions think about this.
19:36:35 In the past we've had our meetings and they've been quite successful.
19:36:38 It seems like a long time, but it needs to be open for time.
19:36:43 So what do you think about that? Because we're on meeting next time?
19:36:53 Either. I'm not I mean, that's one. Yes, by the flash!
19:36:55 Yeah. , about the same gives it might be hard for me to get here after by night.
19:37:09 Sure, when you come to have an hour late we'll go through the announcements first of all, 3Â h concert.
19:37:09 There'll be.
19:37:10 Yeah, absolutely.
19:37:12 Yes! What do you think?
19:37:18 I set the agenda and I'll be there.
19:37:22 Okay, so you don't feel so fine. So Joel, about 3Â h meeting during the drive they'll run the line with that. Yeah, they'll see it starting at a different time.
19:37:33 Gives us a little bit of trouble. With announcements of names.
19:37:36 Now we gotta worry about getting the proper pollination. Shouldn't be an issue.
19:37:46 Just say no, I mean we published once the beginning of year to announce the schedule like going late.
19:37:52 It's I'm just saying we're going to announce the schedule like going late.
19:37:59 It's I'm just saying we're going to announce the schedule like going late.
19:38:03 It's I'm just saying we're just going to use it. We're going to do it.
19:38:12 But you can have an early oh, oh, I mean I can.
19:38:12 I just think you do a special 24Â h notice for special meeting.
19:38:18 So we could. That's another option is to meet an additional time.
19:38:21 We might need that also. We've got more time to the next meeting, and then we'll see.
19:38:32 Yeah, I got it, is it? Only we can't do it.
19:38:33 I'm just suggesting that this changes. It just changes our routine and our obligations for this is it just changes our routine and our obligations. For this is changes.
19:38:47 It just changes our routine and our obligations for this would start at 5 30 planning to go till 8 that' I mean, we know a lot more about what we need to do already than we
did when we walked in the door we had no schedule at 30'clock.
19:38:56 And we'll endure. We can't. We'll try to end early the other thing, I would say is homework before then, you know.
19:39:04 So yeah, so we will help you as best we can on fleshing out or really specifying any ideas you have.
19:39:12 But I'll also suggest that to the extent that you ask yourself you go over the use table like Bill Scott, pointing out some things, dive into the code a day.
19:39:21 Try to think about what ideas you have that you'd like to see.
19:39:24 And then identify those specific code sections that are preventing us from getting there and to the extent that you can actually identify those things and come up with ideas
about how you would change them.
19:39:34 That's a good indication that that's something we should consider for this cycle.
19:39:37 If you're having trouble thinking about. Well, I'm not really sure, or I have to think about this more, or it involves a competent idea that you know it's gonna be larger than
that.
19:39:45 And that's an indication that name that's something considered for do to work on this year or next year cycle.
19:39:52 So, in other words, eventually in perpetuity, we need to get some flush on the bone, some real specific language that you'd like to see.
19:39:58 Change this use table crosses. Yes, I'll make a note, whatever it is, of the other way around.
19:40:03 I cause eventually we're gonna have to get to that specific thing now that said, we still have the rest of the year to work on it.
19:40:07 So even if we come up with an idea. Now, doesn't need it.
19:40:09 Send it. Stone just means that. That's the idea that we're telling the board we want to have on the docket and there's a hearing process and so forth.
19:40:16 And then, once you get into the process, we analyze, we work on it together, and then we can perfect that language over the course of the cycle.
19:40:25 Serious, you know, if I had to define. Yeah. Well, that would be.
19:40:30 That would help us anyway, because then that's what we have to analyze.
19:40:32 Actually as it goes, like actual, perfect code. Yeah, that and it also applies to something that's kind of so broad or so undefined that it's just going to require a lot of
to developments rather than analog analysis of a specific idea for more specificity we have in the better board account
19:40:52 committee. You all can respond to yeah, that could work or no no way. And it goes into you. So yeah, that could work or no no way. Is that.
19:41:01 And it goes into to you. So I was guessing for the next meeting, and that maybe that would mean we don't, you know, a 3Â h meeting? Sure.
19:41:04 But I think some homework would allow that meeting to be much more productive in that regard.
19:41:07 It sounds good. I think there's some worksheets, or something that that either in advance or that with an agenda packet or while we're here to to the facilitate.
19:41:20 Yeah. And also that takes us back to that empty application at the back of our packet is, if you look at what it is, it literally lays out what you would like.
19:41:35 Yeah, that's okay. Okay, I think.