HomeMy WebLinkAboutchat09:51:17 From Mark McCauley to BoCC(Direct Message) : You are viewing the speaker. Shouldn't the document be on the screen?
09:00:17 But yeah, how about you?
09:00:22 Thank you.
09:00:20 What happened? Mother? It was, yeah, excellent, beautiful swimming in a lake.
09:00:27 It's lake season is upon us.
09:00:28 Yay, how hard did they get out there yesterday?
09:00:31 It was 85.
09:00:33 Nice.
09:00:34 It was warm.
09:00:43 Heidi! Can you hear us now?
09:00:44 Hey, Harris? I think that's probably not us, because we can hear each other.
09:00:51 Right? Yeah, neither of them are registering anything. It looks like, what are they just ignoring us?
09:01:03 Hmm!
09:01:08 Yeah. Let's see, I think.
09:01:18 Maybe the owl audio isn't hooked up.
09:01:21 Huh! Can you hear us now? Heidi? Now? Nothing.
09:01:29 No!
09:01:29 Try starting AV capture. Call heidi.
09:01:37 Yeah, without you or Carolyn. There, I'm a little worried.
09:01:55 Hey? Sorry calling around phone. So we, Kate and I can hear each other. But you guys can't hear us at all.
09:02:07 Right.
09:02:11 We can hear them.
09:02:14 That's good, is the owl button? Well, it's it's not supposed to say owl on the audio right no, it's supposed to be.
09:02:24 What are the other options?
09:02:28 Cause. Remember, we don't go through the hour camera.
09:02:35 You're talking.
09:02:39 Yeah. Try that one.
09:02:43 And then what's the output, the output? You want to be?
09:02:46 How the Speaker.
09:02:51 Can you hear us now? Testing?
09:02:55 Still not hearing us through the owl.
09:03:08 Oh, you you have Carolyn on the other phone.
09:03:12 Okay. I'll let Carolyn go.
09:03:17 They've got Carolyn on the phone, too, so.
09:03:42 Yeah.
09:03:45 Boarding, and comrades.
09:03:50 Yes.
09:03:53 Can you hear us? Okay?
09:03:49 Can you hear us now? Okay, we can hear you. Okay, yeah.
09:03:58 Join with computer audio. We live and we learn.
09:04:02 Alright fabulous! Let's get AV's ev capture started recording.
09:04:10 Hey! Where are we already? Did that?
09:04:12 Okay. Great. Sorry. My phone keeps calling you Heidi, but I'm just gonna turn it off.
09:04:20 Okay.
09:04:19 I'm ignoring you. Looks like maybe captures live.
09:04:23 Livestream has not yet started. Okay?
09:04:29 Okay, we're not we're not doing Ab capture yet.
09:04:33 That zoom is going, but Zoom's going, but Ab, capture isn't going yet.
09:04:38 Okay, well, let's get aviation started unless there's problems with that.
09:04:43 There's problems. Apparently. There's some error message coming up on Avcapor.
09:04:49 Okay.
09:04:49 Okay. Then we will. We'll begin just on Zoom, I guess.
09:04:52 So we are recording so we can come back.
09:05:24 Okay.
09:05:28 We're restarting, maybe capture.
09:05:32 Okay for the public with us on zoom. Please indulge us for a moment as we work through a tech issue, or we'll get started as soon as we can.
09:05:46 It says it says obs studio must be running, and it's we don't know what that means.
09:05:56 I don't either.
09:06:01 We're calling Julie cause she does clicking as well.
09:06:06 Okay, well, let's begin while we wait for that.
09:06:09 Okay.
09:06:10 So I get we'll let 80. I'll keep Freding in the background, but we are functional on Zoom.
09:06:18 So apologies if people are trying to capture us on AV caption now, but it will be posted up there after we are done with the day, so I will call this 5 15 meeting of the Board
of County Commissioners to order good morning bad 2 remote Commissioners today.
09:06:33 So truly hybrid. For the first time in a little while, and we will start, as we always do, by opening for public comment.
09:06:42 So we'll keep public comment open till 9 30. I don't know if you have anyone in the room there, but anyone that would like to make public comment can hit the raise hand button
or star 9 if you are on the phone and we would love to hear from you.
09:06:55 And there is nobody in the room with that other than a representative from the Peninsula.
09:07:00 Daily News today.
09:07:02 Oh, lovely! Well, I'm sorry to miss them. So anyone that has public comment.
09:07:07 Please click, raise hand and we'll bring you over.
09:07:15 Okay. Well, I I don't see anyone. But if anyone is moved to comment.
09:07:18 We, we, we have a hand, raise.
09:07:21 Oh, let's bring them over.
09:07:25 Mr. Tesh.
09:07:22 She's working on bringing him over.
09:07:31 Alrighty!
09:07:41 We make me a co-host. I can also bring folks over.
09:07:45 Thank you.
09:07:59 One moment, Mr. Tears!
09:08:02 Here we go. Alright, Tom, when you get yourself unmuted, you have 3Â min to talk about anything.
09:08:19 Success, excellent!
09:08:21 Alright! We can hear you.
09:08:25 Couple of things I'd like to mention this morning.
09:08:29 First thing on one item on your agenda is a is item number 7, which is a $21,000 contract to study the possibility of making a small roundabout at Discovery Road and South Jacob
Noah road.
09:08:46 What caught my attention about that is that the city of Port Townsend has also got another $20,000, that they are going to spend on a roundabout about a few 100 yards away at
at No.
09:08:59 Road, and and 19. So my question is, could these things be combined?
09:09:07 Because the idea of 2 very small roundabouts in such proximity, when there's a much better solution, which is to create a very large oval round about in that area, something
that I've been promoting for many years.
09:09:21 It just seems like a lost opportunity to explore a bigger concept combined those funds and and and do something that that would make the entire area, that whole set of odd intersections,
a lot safer than what's being proposed with 2 small roundabouts.
09:09:40 So yeah, I'm hoping that the sound that the county in the city can get together and cooperate on this, and not just do 2 siloed separate projects.
09:09:51 Second thing in the way of a public service announcement.
09:09:55 Just a reminder or notice to let folks know that the Washington State ferries will behold a community meeting online hybrid, not even hybrid.
09:10:07 Just online meeting on May 20, third, at 6 Pm. This one is kind of important for folks to pay attention to, because there will be a basically pseudo hearing regarding the proposed
increases in ferry fares for the next 2 years, and this time.
09:10:24 Around the increases are going to be substantial, probably on the order of 4% per year for the next couple of years.
09:10:31 So folks are encouraged to to tune in, participate, ask questions.
09:10:37 These meetings, this time around will also be smaller than before, because they'll be localized to the individual.
09:10:44 Ferri routes. So again that's that'll be May 20 third at 6 P.
09:10:50 M, and you can find the the Zoom information online on the ferries website. So thanks.
09:10:58 Thank you very much, Mr. As always. It will respond to public comments on mass after we receive them.
09:11:07 What did anyone else like to make a public comment this morning and click, raise hand or star? 9.
09:11:13 If you're on the phone.
09:11:17 Alright, see no one else, and adlu! Will wanna.
09:11:26 Move Mr. Cheers back over to an attendee as well, and I guess I'll ask Heidi first.
09:11:32 Any response to Mr. Tier's coming.
09:11:36 I saw Mark shaking his head on the roundabout suggestions, so I would like to hear Mark's feedback on that, because I haven't been comparing those 2 projects.
09:11:49 So the roundabout that's being proposed by public works is on South Discovery Road, and Jacob Miller, where we have an intersection that has a couple of area acute angles to
it that make it a dangerous intersection, and I'm looking at Google
09:12:09 maps but and I don't have a a mileage indicator on here, but it looks like it might be a quarter mile away from the proposed roundabout at Highway.
09:12:21 Highway 20 and Mill Road so they're not connected in any way, shape or form, and no single roundabout could possibly connect those 2 intersections.
09:12:32 So that's my comment. Thanks, Mark, and I would just say I appreciate Mr.
09:12:40 Tears, reminding us about the ferry workshop, because I saw that posted and plan on attending that so.
09:12:48 That's it from me.
09:12:50 That's great, and I'll I'll jump. Oh, go ahead, Kate!
09:12:57 I had a similar response to Mr. Tears when I saw the roundabout contract in the consent agenda and I I what triggered for me was more a question of the what we're hoping will
be a larger roundabout so
09:13:21 originally Washd, had aved a compact roundabout at Mail Road in Highway 19, but I think we talked about this couple of weeks ago.
09:13:31 There's interest on behalf of the city and in public works.
09:13:32 Of tying in stop discovery into that project, as well.
09:13:36 So I think that you know I'm not sure if the status of that, but hopefully, that will be a much larger project and larger roundabout, which also solves the Mill Road South discovery.
09:13:47 Problem. So I don't think compact, roundabout.
09:13:55 Specifically Jacob Miller and South.
09:14:01 To separate is necessarily in conflict with that. But it did trigger for me, wondering where we're at with the larger project, which I think will probably require additional
funding from the State, and we're not in a good time frame with State Legislature, since I just appeared with a large 2 year
09:14:15 team, capital budget, but something I think we do.
09:14:20 Wanna track, and I will not be able to attend or workshop up the 20 third.
09:14:24 I'm sorry to say, very much like to be there.
09:14:29 Great. Well, I did talk to Monty this morning about a couple of other issues.
09:14:35 Monty is gonna be joining me on the radio this Friday at 1230, to talk about projects.
09:14:39 And sooing as Mr. Cheers brought up and also working together, and I know that Monty and Steve King, from the city have been talking a lot about these, and I think 2 consultants
working on this.
09:14:50 They might even be the same, consultants. I'm not.
09:14:53 I'm not sure. I think. Like as Kate said, the compact roundabout, I think the city's got another year to do a study on on expanding the scope and maybe scoping it appropriately
rather than just tossing a compact roundabout in there and I think this
09:15:09 work, at least in my conversation with Monty. It sounds like it.
09:15:11 These 2 projects will complement each other as they go through the analysis, and this is a result of this city and the county.
09:15:19 Talking about these issues, that that engendered this contract.
09:15:24 In the first place. So I think it's, you know.
09:15:28 What's the George Washington, or the is it George Washington?
09:15:33 Hey, blinken, hey? Lincoln, quote, give me a give me an hour to cut down a tree, and I'll spend the first 40Â min sharpening my axe.
09:15:41 I think this is sharpening our acts as we get going on on these 2 intersections.
09:15:46 The Jacob Miller, South Discovery road, of course, is county road, county road outside the city, so Mark says it is quite a distance from the other.
09:15:55 Kind of the entry to the city roundabout, but I know that this does not represent siloing, but represent the city and the county working together, and on demanding shared vision.
09:16:07 So I'm pretty comfortable with it, and I appreciate the notification about the ferry workshop on the 20 third, I will try to be there.
09:16:15 Looks like I have freedom, in my schedule to do it, and the hybrid meetings are always easy to drive to.
09:16:21 So with that I will ask again if we have any more public comments.
09:16:26 Anyone can raise their hand by hitting, raise hand or star. 9.
09:16:30 If you're on the phone.
09:16:33 Okay, well, we will keep it open for another 15Â min or so, and I guess we can take a look at Number 7 and the rest of the consent agenda.
09:16:43 Any other comments or questions about the consent. Agenda.
09:16:50 I mean, I had a number of small comments as I went through it.
09:16:55 The noxious weed number one, the noxious we contract with county the normal, you know, capacity for noxious. We control.
09:17:07 It's been through Washington Conservation Corps cruise, are the largest capacity, and we're only able to get a couple of days out of them this year.
09:17:15 So we're looking for capacity anywhere else, basically to where else, basically to fulfill some of these noxious weed projects. So this is just our noxious lead coordinator
being resourceful.
09:17:32 And I'm grateful that she's engaging with Colum County to get some more of that.
09:17:33 We control work done. As we know, there's more we control work than we could ever harness in this county with all the Scotch broom blazing bright yellow.
09:17:42 Right now we're all aware of it, and number 2, glad to see the extension of the Cares program through our Public Health Department with East Jefferson.
09:17:54 I think at least Greg and I have done ride along with cares and have seen them navigating these multiple surfaces in our community, super grateful for the resource for our cares,
team.
09:18:10 It was interesting reading. The the agenda item for the Crab contract increase of almost 1.5 million dollars, which is just more money available for that project.
09:18:24 But those stretches of center road are 25, and 30 years out from their last resurface.
09:18:29 So this is public works doing a good job of trying to stay ahead of the game in terms of taking care of our roads.
09:18:40 And yeah, I mean, I could. I have little comments about all these.
09:18:43 Keep going. That's great.
09:18:44 But oh, well! The closed landfill groundwater monitoring.
09:18:50 It looks like they're trying to kind of complete that monitoring that they've been doing forever.
09:18:56 So grateful that they're increasing the frequency just to get a better reading of what's going on there, and if they can't actually close it, but with the goal of closing that
project which has been in the works almost as long as I think I've been here
09:19:12 so that's yeah.
09:19:13 And it was exciting to see that it closes up in 2024 is when they, if everything goes right, and I know that the readings I mean it's been very inert.
09:19:21 So I think that that I've I took a lot of pleasure in that, too. That's great.
09:19:26 Yeah. And then the solid waste advisory committee.
09:19:30 I know that Al did a great job of getting all our industry and industry reps to re-up their membership, but I know that I think all 3 of us have a citizen vacancy on the swack
as well as a number of other vacancies on committees, but I think swack is one that
09:19:46 needs a 1, 2 and 3 says in rep right now, so just a reminder to us, and I'll keep my eyes open for District 2, I mean, I'll keep our eyes open for all the districts.
09:20:00 Great. Thank you, Kate, any questions or comments on the consent agenda. I know the Kate's headed to a fairy, too. I don't know if you're still with us.
09:20:10 I am. Yes, no, I don't think I have anything to add.
09:20:14 Thanks, Heidi. He captured a lot there.
09:20:17 Yeah, I will see on the the center road overlay I think it was 2 years ago.
09:20:23 It's some of the residents that live in a little road just off of this section was saying, hey, the roads getting a little little peak it out here, and it's it's often, you
know.
09:20:34 Planning is like 5 steps ahead, but one step behind the you know.
09:20:37 Actual, noticing of an issue, but really appreciate the long term planning that goes on in our roads department.
09:20:45 To make sure these that we that we keep all the Jefferson County roads and tip top shape.
09:20:51 So, yeah, I really gratified to see that. And I think you captured that other stuff.
09:20:59 Great good to have a new credit card transactions that so I'm not gonna be able to use venmo.
09:21:05 I wonder, to pay for my garbage when I go.
09:21:08 Well, that's definitely a line you don't want.
09:21:10 Slowed down, due to poor credit card transactions, you know.
09:21:13 If there's any line in the county you don't want to slow down, it's the transfer station, so I totally get this one I mean, they've had some poor service considerations with
their current vendor.
09:21:23 So that makes a lot of sense to give the job to someone else.
09:21:27 Anyone who's gone to the transfer station has probably experienced it the last time I was there they were like, Oh, credit card!
09:21:34 Hmm, yeah.
09:21:33 Stop working for like 3Â min. Okay. Great. Well, I'll before we do this, I'll make another call.
09:21:43 Anyone that has public comment, raise hand.
09:21:48 Alright, seeing no one, I would welcome a motion about the consent agenda.
09:21:52 If you're so moved.
09:21:53 I'm happy to move that we adopt the consent. Agenda for May fifteenth, 2023.
09:21:59 I will second.
09:22:00 Okay. It's been moved and seconded to adopt approve, and adopt the consent.
09:22:12 Hi!
09:22:05 Agenda, as presented for May fifteenth, 2023, all in favor, indicate by saying, Hi!
09:22:11 Hi!
09:22:12 Any opposed. Okay, that is unanimous. Alright!
09:22:18 Well, we will keep the public comment open for another few minutes, and we have a light break, and then a pretty couple workshops this afternoon at 1 30.
09:22:29 So might be able to break out a little early. I think we're going to lose Commissioner Dean to the cellular purgatory of the ferry here in a little bit, but I guess we we can
start with a briefings.
09:22:44 Do you? Do you want to start, Kate? Are you in a position to do that?
09:22:46 Sure. Yeah, I got decent reception at the moment, and I'm sorry that I can't be there personally, I have a important medical appointment.
09:22:54 I need to join my husband at today. So last week was it was in Washington, DC.
09:23:01 All week for the Puget Sunday on the hill. That is this year's a delegation of about 60 people from Puerto Rico region, heads of state agencies, tribal leaders, few county commissioners,
and advocating for continued ongoing Federal funding and
09:23:21 policy support, for protection and restoration of Puget Sound.
09:23:25 It was very effective. We were able to meet with the entire Washington Congressional delegation as well as the leadership of the Federal agencies.
09:23:38 Noah, us fish and wildlife EPA, and think we've, you know, made a good case, that the the Puget Sound has ramifications for the entire country.
09:23:54 That things like shipping. And keeping a healthy workforce here, and transportation all tied to feed.
09:24:02 It sounds. What was, I think? My key takeaway, was not to expect a lot from Congress the next.
09:24:08 Year and a half, the gridlock in the house, especially is gonna make it really challenging to pass a budget course.
09:24:19 We have the debt ceiling, and I was surprised to see, especially our Congressman Kilmer, as discouraged as he was.
09:24:31 So the yeah. The big question is whether the Democrats will agree to a greatly reduced budget and you know there's a lot of resistance to that.
09:24:44 For obvious reasons, they're looking at about a 21% cut across the board.
09:24:48 They're federal programs which would be pretty catastrophic for number of different populations.
09:24:54 So that was discouraging, but in general I think we made a good taste for rural counties like ours, and interesting to meet with Congressional members from Alaska and Oregon
as well.
09:25:11 Things like the closing of the fishery in Alaska for trollers this year, and we are issues that very much affect our our little hamlet.
09:25:21 Even with our fishing fleet going up there. So I did speak to the National estuary caucus, which went well, kind of talking about the local government perspective on.
09:25:37 Why estuaries are important, and why protecting them?
09:25:41 Funding them is critical. Use the Dr. Bush, as an example.
09:25:47 He lists. I see for the first time, and so that was well accepted and appreciated, and just tried to make the case that so often Federal funding and policy packages come through
without any consultation with local government and how crazy that is I have 2 examples
09:26:10 of major programs that I have not heard about in Jefferson County.
09:26:13 But had to travel across the country to learn about so it's a successful trip, and just fingers crossed that.
09:26:23 Keep operating, which?
09:26:26 Yeah, it's pretty scary. They yeah. The fight over.
09:26:33 I don't know the performative fight that's going to have.
09:26:36 I mean, we're gonna lose our credit rating as a country I mean, I don't know.
09:26:41 It's pretty, it's discouraging. It's a good word.
09:26:44 Well, thank you, Kate, for representing in DC.
09:26:49 Sounds like a busy week, and you know lots of good engagements. And to go along with the discouragement. Heidi, how was your week?
09:27:00 I was. It was packed, and this week's shaping up that way, too.
09:27:05 Let's see. So on Monday I was here with you, Greg, and the team on Tuesday I had breakfast with Cindy from the Edc.
09:27:19 Just to talk about a number of issues and programs that are going at the on at the Edc.
09:27:26 We try and meet about quarterly so, and then I had a meeting with Ray near timber to get updates from them.
09:27:35 They had a specific district. 3 stuck, Greg. I think they probably talked to you about it.
09:27:46 Yeah.
09:27:43 When they were meeting with you last week as well. The miles, the timing on the miles. Yeah. Okay.
09:27:51 Yeah, I did talk to them. And basically, we're all in the next week or so we we should see that come through.
09:27:59 So I know that working on that.
09:27:59 Okay. I told them. I said they were just with us on an agenda about that item.
09:28:05 So I bet they said they were. Gonna talk to you about it.
09:28:10 So anyway, but then we went to lunch to celebrate the completion of all the paperwork on our derelict.
09:28:17 Our first county's first derelict vessel. Removal.
09:28:21 Mark took Julie and I out to lunch because she and I led the team on that, and I told Dnr they reached out a couple of times, asking if we take on another one.
09:28:29 I said, not till our first one's put to bed, so I guess now we're open to helping with another derelict vessel.
09:28:35 If one hits our shore, that no one else can deal with.
09:28:38 Then I went straight down to the tourism, coordinating council meeting in port, and we had a little bit of a going away celebration for Bill.
09:28:54 Our gateway Visitor Center, you know he's he's been the lead guy there forever, right?
09:29:01 So we'll be looking for someone else to Tcc will be looking for someone else to be our eyes on the ground down there at the gateway.
09:29:09 Visitor Center in the near future.
09:29:15 Wednesday meeting with a couple of constituents regarding, planning, and Dcd.
09:29:21 Ids, you know, and I think folks were unaware that we'd been made a change in our team and the structure of our team at Dcd.
09:29:31 And I'm encouraging people to give that a little grace and time, as people settle into their new roles.
09:29:39 Starting June first, but feel like I'm hearing about that more than anything else lately.
09:29:45 And then specific development proposals. Of course, that end up being the stucks that people have.
09:29:55 And then the afternoon I had the Jefferson transit Authority Finance Committee, and that evening I went to the Chemical Granges Spring Spring, which was awesome.
09:30:16 Nice.
09:30:10 It was the first Timicum Grange meeting I've been to in a long time that there was like 40 folks there, and we had it outside, and Doyle roasted a pig, and it was just a celebration
of all things.
09:30:23 Grange and local farming, and a lot of the crews from the local farms came for dinner, which was great just to see so much energy.
09:30:34 And out in district, too, on Thursday I have a meeting with the community Foundation, and then came back for a meeting with one of our constituents.
09:30:44 Down in the day Bob Area to kind of debrief the legislative session debub, in addition to the Devil's Lake Project, coming through on the Trust Land Transfer program, we were
able to get, I think, 2.3 million dollars to finish the last day.
09:31:01 Bob Bay Trust land, transfer transaction, and so Peter Bales and I have talked he's working with Dnr.
09:31:08 On that last, that last, but not last, most recent transactions, and then there, I think, will be another expansion proposal that we'll be seeing in the near future, not to
distant future.
09:31:30 And then we started our one tenth of 1% school based mental health vendor interviews.
09:31:35 And we had 3 of them on Thursday. I would just say in general about school-based mental health.
09:31:44 There is more demand for funding. Then there has been in the I guess, the last couple of years, because the fed Federal Federal funding was available over the last couple of
years related to covid and community response to mental health issues, and that funding is drying up at the end of 2023 there
09:32:05 is, there are efforts to get it authorized, but I don't think the vendors are feeling, or are.
09:32:13 Staff are feeling all that hopeful about that. So the vendors are really looking to are, you know, one tenth of 1% behavioral health funds to cover the gap.
09:32:24 But we don't have that, you know, level of funding available through our 1 10 to 1%.
09:32:30 So we did discuss. And we are going to propose using a little bit of the emergency reserve.
09:32:38 The money that we saved for a rainy day. Well, it's a rainy day right now.
09:32:43 The demand for school-based mental health services are off the charts and the school districts are, you know, bringing their hands with us, how they're gonna provide the counseling
services for our kiddos.
09:32:54 So the one tenth of 1% committee is rising to the occasion.
09:33:01 And we're kind of stretching as much as we can, but also not stretching so far that we put ourselves in the red.
09:33:07 Obviously cause we can't do that, but we do see sales, sales, taxes.
09:33:12 We're projecting a 5% increase over the budget that we had proposed.
09:33:18 So we're authorizing a 5% increase in behavioral health grants.
09:33:22 And then we're using a little bit of the reserve, but not all of the reserve to cover some of these proposals.
09:33:28 So those proposals came from Jumping Mouse and they're gonna work in not only the Brennan and Quelciing school districts, but also Tim Mechan, and the next couple of years,
and then the Benji project and most of us are familiar with the Benji
09:33:47 project working more kind of out of the schools, but they've over the last couple of years been working most more directly with the school districts, so the Benjy project had
a 1 10 to 1% proposal to expand their services to also include the Jimicum school district and more time in the other
09:34:09 3 school districts. So and then the third vendor is the Olympic Educational Services district.
09:34:17 They provide kind of oversight of all the counseling contracts for all 4 school districts, and we were not able to cover the total number of days that they wanted.
09:34:28 For all the districts, but we've proposed providing one day and quilting Brennan and Port Townsend in 2 days, and just based on finding availability.
09:34:41 So that's where we're at with 1 10 to 1% for school based mental health.
09:34:46 Right now, and it's kind of a bleak time on that front, and it's it's really depressing.
09:34:53 Actually to hear about the need, and not be able to help meet that need.
09:34:58 So we're doing what we can. And it's not enough.
09:35:03 In the middle of the day I went and spoke at the Jefferson County Bar Association, and I updated my little cheat sheet of all of the boards and committees that we each sit on.
09:35:13 And it's always surprising to me how few people in the community know that each of us sits on 25 boards and committees, and I actually confirmed that it's actually Greg and
Greg and I each have 25 either roles or Boards.
09:35:26 And committees this this year, and Kate has 23, but she's got some huge ones like the fairgrounds wrangling the fairgrounds.
09:35:35 And anyway, so and doing, all of the Federal and State legislative leadership.
09:35:40 So that's a lot more travel on her. So it was good.
09:35:43 They all. They were all like, How the heck do you guys do this?
09:35:47 And we're like, we're really good jugglers.
09:35:50 So. It was a good conversation with them, and there was about I don't know.
09:35:54 8 attorneys there. Then I went to the clean Water District Advisory Council meeting Thursday afternoon.
09:36:04 Thursday evening I made some of the best ice cream I've ever made, but we'll talk about that offline later.
09:36:11 Friday morning I had a phone call with Northwest Watershed Institute, Peter Bail's to talk about the legislative outcomes Bob Wheeler and I did our Kptz show and we need to
talk about the next 6 shows because this
09:36:30 week's show is the last of the last 6 that we planned together.
09:36:34 So we need to tee up our next 6 topics.
09:36:38 But the sewer show was great, and I also get updates about the and boards and committee vacancies.
09:36:49 I gave a couple more. General updates at the beginning of our radio time, and then we launched into sewer and talked to sewer for a solid 23Â min.
09:36:58 So I think people got enough of that for a while. Probably, and then I headed out to with Mark, and we supported our team at the job Fair and Timicum and it was interesting
to get their kind of midday.
09:37:16 So in the morning they had, how all the school districts at the Job fair so they said that was super active, you know, tons of kids with lots of great questions, and that I
really like how the job fair was set up and I was kind of impressed with how many of our employees showed up and put on a good
09:37:34 good, show individually, and it together. It looked really good.
09:37:39 I think there was about 20 adults who walked through the door in the afternoon, and we probably talked to half of them at least.
09:37:48 So that was more than last year I think they said last year there was only about 3 adults that came through the door for the job fair, so they're doing good on increasing participation.
09:37:57 And maybe next year we'll get 50 or 60. So then Friday night I froze that really good ice cream and checked out for the weekend.
09:38:14 Yeah.
09:38:11 Great. It does sound like a very busy week. Heidi.
09:38:16 Yeah, it's challenging the school based mental health clinics.
09:38:21 But you know we are looking and other funding sources right?
09:38:25 We have those opioids coming at Opioid settlement dollars coming in that, you know.
09:38:30 At least a healthy trunk of them should go through.
09:38:33 Bhac, and we're dealing with this in the Housing Fund Board, too, where maybe there's some work that needs to be just on these competitive funds that should be set aside.
09:38:43 And you know we're going to put this much in.
09:38:45 I think that Bhac has that, or had that before they had some set aside for the school basement, mental health clinics right?
09:38:52 Yeah, we talked about last week. We talked about just doing all of the instead of having 2 Rfps for mental health, having the big one, and then this smaller school based mental
health doing them altogether.
09:39:06 So the whole universe of needs could be considered kind of as one pool of needs.
09:39:12 Yeah.
09:39:13 But yeah, no, it just it seems like good thinking is being done on all fronts on it.
09:39:19 But it was. It's just, you know, super depressing to hear from the vendors about the increased demand from kiddos. You know.
09:39:26 But you know, if you think about it, kids who went into kindergarten in 2020 have never been to school with other kids really.
09:39:36 Or they've had really strange, fragmented first 3 years of school experiences.
09:39:41 So there's just a lot of kind of this comesombobulation on the public school front.
09:39:49 Oh, yeah.
09:39:49 Especially in those those lower grades. Right now.
09:39:52 I mean, every grade level. This is going to be an impact that these kids feel through their whole lives.
09:39:57 Yeah.
09:39:59 Hey, Heidi, can I ask you a question? I received some feedback that the application process for the behavioral health dollars was kind of cumbersome, and we will see that feedback
in the Housing Fund board, and so we are doing a kind of process improvement is that something that that board regularly considers.
09:40:17 Well, and we've talked about that in our debrief of the proposals.
09:40:24 But you know it's.
09:40:26 Yeah, and if we need to look at it more systematically, I think, than just anecdotal feedback, we need to see if it is really that cumbersome I mean, it's a grant application
process.
09:40:40 And you know, I think that it's got a results.
09:40:46 It's got a few parts of it that may be more cumbersome that we we could probably make more.
09:40:52 Make some. I think that's true.
09:40:55 Yeah, just thinking about the stressors for the system. And you know, having that be an added one that's something we'll eliminate.
09:41:03 And all of our boards and funding opportunities.
09:41:05 Yeah, we still wanna make sure we get the right? Data, though, so that we're comparing apples to apples with all the vendors.
09:41:13 Right.
09:41:16 Yeah, absolutely.
09:41:19 Alright. Well, thank you, Heidi, I will make a last call for public comments.
09:41:24 And then we'll close public comment. So if anyone has moved to comment on what you've heard or what we're discussing later in the day, click, raise hand or star 9, if you're
on the phone.
09:41:36 Saying, No one, I will close public comment for the morning, and I guess I will go into my past week.
09:41:44 See, and you'll have to interrupt me if do you wanna say something?
09:41:51 Cause I can only see my calendar now, so, of course, was with everyone.
09:41:55 There on Monday, had a couple calls with Tammy, who'll be with us later, and some residents who are concerned about impacts of the Ducka Bush Restoration Project Tuesday morning
and met with Wendy Davis talk about communication strategy a little bit then
09:42:16 I had a conversation Tuesday with the Shall we come, superintendent?
09:42:22 About the electrified school bus grant programs that are out there and just we're gonna keep kind of working on that to make sure that our local school districts are ready to.
09:42:36 You know, can apply for these grants, if they can, might be a bit of a stretch.
09:42:42 This particular Nofo round my calendar, and then had the quilting and powered teams meeting.
09:42:54 I had to leave a little early for a meeting with Judy Shepard, who quickly pivoted to be able to be responsive to a request from the Olympic Housing Trust about potentially
applying for one of those Cdbg Block Grants.
09:43:08 They've continued going through it. It looks like house housing.
09:43:12 Construction is a challenge, so I'm not sure if they're actually going to qualify.
09:43:16 This is the same grant. I believe the county can apply for 4 of these per year.
09:43:20 It's an 11 million dollars total to the State, and of course, housing is a big focus.
09:43:27 I think this is the same Grant program we're doing for the for the childcare that we've already.
09:43:32 Do we already receive that? Or we're applying for it, I think, for the childcare program up at the High School.
09:43:39 Yeah, we're having a hearing on it next week.
09:43:41 Right, and then I. So we're yeah kind of last me to see if there's one more, because I's unlikely.
09:43:52 But we're checking it out. I did not make it to the reception, for the new Peninsula College director, though my daughter, who did go to the job fair on Friday, as I think most
other High school students did really enjoyed the Presentation from Peninsula college and the table there and
09:44:08 she's all all site to jump into the the welding program. There.
09:44:13 So happy birthday, sage, and then on Wednesday we had the Olympic Clean Air Agency meeting.
09:44:24 Everything is going well, doing kind of salary survey right there right now, and fees that we're going to talk about here, too.
09:44:32 You know the constant dance of of keeping fees proactive enough to cover costs while on not not making sure that the return on return, the value for the the applicants is worth
the what their what they're paying.
09:44:50 So that went, well, we're gonna meet in June in person to celebrate the last mortgage payment of our building.
09:44:57 So Orca is kind of debt free right now, and has a full renters, in their building that they occupy and have a couple of other spaces as well down in Olympia.
09:45:09 And then I met with some port local residents who are interested in another park potentially around to Lake and talked about possible pathways for that and other options, including
our, you know, ongoing community forestry work and the the 2 Dnr partials that we've talked
09:45:28 about over there. So started that conversation. Then have the only cap meeting in the evening on Thursday I went to helped a little bit with their public health video that we've
approved.
09:45:44 So it was great to see Whale Heart working through it, and I just kind of work with the the communications team over there on editing their own videos and everything.
09:45:54 I think public health is gonna get their own Youtube channel then I met with some rest frustrated with the delays.
09:46:03 At Dcd. As we're well aware of, but they were very graceful, and I think folks are are doing a good job about giving Grace to Dcd.
09:46:15 As we, you know, kind of reorient.
09:46:18 Our strategy and try to start working through the backlog.
09:46:22 Did agenda plan with Mark via phone for today, and then had a very momentous Vhc. Meeting.
09:46:33 One of the things the sheriff indicated that the sheriff's navigator is going to be.
09:46:43 Covered. The funding will be covered, going forward by the sheriff's office and dbh, so, moving on with that program and kind of ensconcing it in a permanent budget I think
some of that funding came from was before.
09:46:57 And I think some of it came from Vhac. So maybe that'll be a a relieving of some pressure on that funding source, but really excited to see that Navigator Cis program move into
business as usual at the sheriff's department.
09:47:12 There was also a lot of most of the meeting was a good conversation about the waspics.
09:47:23 The sheriff's and law enforcement.
09:47:26 You know Washington agencies response to the Blake legislation and I don't know if you guys seen the letter from waspic, hey?
09:47:36 No!
09:47:37 With. It was quite, quite a letter, basically kind of not Jacobs was there.
09:47:46 Was talking about recriminalizing a lot of things, and that's sure how it feels to me, too.
09:47:53 If you guys want to look at it, I I can share it on the screen.
09:47:56 King County made a response as well. But you know, as you know, what is the bill send it, Bill 55, 36.
09:48:07 I think there is that the one they're bringing back?
09:48:07 Yeah. Yes.
09:48:10 So the sheriff's and Joe, to his credit, was like pretty much he supports harm. Reduction.
09:48:20 But basically there was a lot of evidence-free pushback against harm reduction policies as well as yeah.
09:48:29 You know, criminalizing paraphernalia like really getting onto issues about no one. I just shared.
09:48:38 I feel like I would characterize it wrong. We're not in a in a hurry, so share my screen real quick.
09:48:45 I think I'm not sure if we wanna respond. King County made a response to this letter.
09:48:55 Greg, when you have a free minute today, would you mind emailing that to me?
09:48:51 It was pretty good at.
09:49:00 I will, I will! Then I put it up on the screen.
09:48:59 Too. I'd love to see it.
09:49:03 Now, too. So this was a letter they sent out, and I guess I raise this just wondering.
09:49:11 Is this something that we want to weigh in on? I don't know.
09:49:16 I feel like it's a good conversation maybe the place to start is the community or the kind of coordination that we're having this Friday.
09:49:24 But even in when we were talking about empty agents a couple of weeks ago, I'm not sure if all the different departments inside Jefferson County are really aligned in their
perception of this, and I guess I mean asking you guys heidi and Kate should we continue
09:49:44 this conversation about drugs in general and about the legislation that's going through.
09:49:54 The letter.
09:49:52 Well, I spent a fair amount of time talking about this in DC.
09:49:57 This? Is there a number of the legislator and some others involved, and oh, ale! And I forgot to mention I just happen to be seated next to the governor on my flight home.
09:50:09 No!
09:50:08 So lots of time to talk, and it's sounds, and from what I'm hearing, the the so it's the 4 corners of the legislature are trying to come to agreement before, the special session
starts, what is that Friday?
09:50:28 Okay.
09:50:26 Not a week from week and Friday, and that they are like it's not like there's a fair amount of agreement on a mostly date criminalized platform.
09:50:40 So I, I just I know that we could put a lot of effort into it, but that most of this work was being done behind closed doors, and it's only going to come to the special session
for about so I just want to limit our input too much the amount of work. We
09:51:00 put into that, because it's I think we won't have a lot of anything.
09:51:05 Do you think that this letter from Waspic is gonna have a lot of influence?
09:51:11 I think. Yes, as a statewide agency, they have some influence, but this is, it's very much politicized from being driven by part of politics at this point, and very much East
West.
09:51:26 When, I were on the radio a week ago Friday, he said it was a Space Naval Democrats that you know, we're able to change the course of where we both the break off. They have
the support for 55 36.
09:51:39 Hmm!
09:51:40 So it's I am just not sure how much this way you will have, and it sounds like it's better than a direct term that we would generally agree with, and that's really the main
company table.
09:51:55 And so they we would come to some degree notes. So I totally support the conversation. I just don't want us to get to that. I'm not sure that it's worth kind of jeopardizing
any relationships because we're really big.
09:52:08 No!
09:52:08 I mean, it seems like if we're generally in support of the content of the letter, it's gonna have.
09:52:17 I mean, okay. I thought I heard you say that.
09:52:15 We are not generally in support of the no, the waspic letter is pretty pretty much, and Dr.
09:52:25 Barry was at at the Bhc. Meeting and made a an impassioned and compelling response to it, talking about harm, reduction.
09:52:32 And you know I mean like they one of the thing the waspic letter really goes into is, you know, drug paraphernalia and criminalization of drug pairing.
09:52:42 Now so kind of the harm reduction just to take one small bit of it.
09:52:48 Perspective would be, you know, folks that are I have a substance, use disorder are not thinking about syphilis or other diseases.
09:52:56 They can get through sharing intravenous needles so harm reduction would be, you know, the first step.
09:53:03 People aren't going from shooting up in their neck straight to a treatment program.
09:53:07 So if you can, you know. Get a glide down path for someone suffering from Sud with safe smoking supplies, and they can move from, you know, shooting up in their neck to smoking
it.
09:53:18 Then it's the a step to recovery, that is very evidence-based.
09:53:31 I see.
09:53:23 And so you know, the waspic letter without any reference to any evidence, talks about, you know, recryringizing paraphernalia, or supporting local efforts to criminalize paraphernalia
and and decried it a harm reduction method, any facilitation of drug
09:53:41 use is a crime, basically. So it's.
09:53:43 I couldn't really see the letter, because I was a tiny screen on my screen.
09:53:49 Oh, sorry. Okay.
09:53:47 I don't know why, but I could see you were scrolling so, but maybe it's more a more general.
09:53:56 I mean, it seems like it would be good to go on that the record with kind of the spirit with which we would like to see with harm reduction as a priority.
09:54:09 I don't know.
09:54:10 Yeah, I mean, I I take Kate's point too. There's I don't think we necessarily have a line with all the different departments inside the county, so maybe it's just stirring up
a hornet's nest no purpose.
09:54:19 Yeah. Yup. Yup.
09:54:23 If we're gonna have legislation from on high, come down that we're gonna just have to enforce.
09:54:27 Right.
09:54:28 So I will. I'll forward that to Mark, though a link to this letter to King County's response, as well as the the very short Bhc. With Links.
09:54:38 So you can go look straight, you know, to Sheriff Knowles.
09:54:42 Explanation of the letter, and also Dr.
09:54:47 Barry's response to the letter, which are both pretty illuminating.
09:54:49 That'd be great.
09:54:51 And if I could add to you know, I think, as the special session proceeds, it should be quite brief, but you know that might be a better time to weigh in, and are actually looking
at what the range of options are that they're considering.
09:55:06 But I think we don't really know that right now, and so risk based on relationships within our own.
09:55:15 Yup!
09:55:15 No, not worth it.
09:55:14 Any family. I'm not sure it's worth it.
09:55:17 Okay, great. Well, thanks for going a little deeper with that with me on that.
09:55:23 Let's see. So that was. And today, Thursday.
09:55:30 And then Friday I was, what do you have Burnetting?
09:55:35 So I I was off work on Friday.
09:55:36 You are! What?
09:55:38 I was putting up bird netting after the ravens took all of our little chicks, so.
09:55:43 Okay. Well, I'm one thing that happened last week that I think, Greg you know about is that Chris Goy did a great job of ringling some car, charging, funding.
09:55:54 Yup!
09:55:54 He was coordinating with a bunch of folks, and and I advocated for Jefferson County Library, getting on the list of locations, so he was able to make a switch there with the
Triary community center.
09:56:10 I think just because the number of cars at the Jefferson County Library far exceeds.
09:56:15 And you know the number of cars ever at the Triary community center on a regular basis.
09:56:20 Next Grace.
09:56:20 So Tamra was really excited. So it was a yeah, right?
09:56:24 Oh, that's great! It's just for an application right they're applying for funds.
09:56:28 Yeah.
09:56:29 Not securing them.
09:56:32 Hello!
09:56:36 Okay.
09:56:28 Yeah, but yeah, but it's I think, the odds of the application converting to funding are pretty good.
09:56:39 That's great!
09:56:39 No, it was exciting, exciting development.
09:56:45 Yeah, that's great. And I'm working with Chris on some letters of support from some of the different you know, far-flung areas where these charges might go.
09:56:54 So everything we can do with a buttress. Those efforts are great.
09:56:57 Hey? Could I play the best? For one thing, I forgot to report on from DC.
09:57:01 Of course.
09:57:03 Thank you. And I still have reception on the Pharaoh.
09:57:06 So I think it's trust me. I did meet with our DC.
09:57:14 Lobbyist, so you know, same company that we haven't Olympia, and we talked a little bit last week about the, you know, but are existing contact being put out of date with them
because it was focused on the roads and the West, End they're currently funded and
09:57:30 the so, but with her about the idea of getting a little bit of time on a product center.
09:57:39 Essentially and and perhaps trail trail as fleet possible priorities for us to start thinking about.
09:57:53 But I do want to be sure that we schedule A to kind of decide on how much we want to engage them moving forward.
09:58:03 And what I play.
09:58:06 I think that sounds great, Kate, and talking about the you know, the aquatic center and the Odt.
09:58:12 These are seem like logical places to to start.
09:58:15 I mean our our existing contract goes through the fall of 23.
09:58:20 Is that right?
09:58:20 December 31.
09:58:22 December 31. Okay, so you're talking about.
09:58:26 Maybe having an afternoon workshop with the lobbyists to kind of.
09:58:31 To go over it, or do you? Are you talking about first?
09:58:34 Us talking about priorities, and then having a workshop to with the laptop.
09:58:38 I think I think we.
09:58:43 Priorities. I was in my conversation with pistol. There was like, Hey!
09:58:48 How broad issues do you work on? We could come up with priorities.
09:58:51 That might not be in fit for this company. But it sounds like that's not the case.
09:58:55 They do really wide range of issues. So I do think it's worth a while, just because of the amount of funding available right now.
09:59:05 And you know we do talk about the Federal budget being the kind of list.
09:59:10 But you know we've still do have the I find the main construction package and the Ira and chips, and all that that are solid.
09:59:16 So you know, do this really want to be smart about taking advantage of everything that comes with us and having somebody on the lookout?
09:59:24 Sorry if it's
09:59:26 No, that's okay. You broke up a little bit to reiterate.
09:59:30 You're saying it would be good to have them at the conversation, because they can help us scope that request appropriately.
09:59:37 Yeah, it's funny. I don't think we've ever had them involved in our conversation.
09:59:44 Need to get some questions for months, if that would be useful.
09:59:55 Hmm!
09:59:51 We do have a couple of Monty, too, because right now the that the contract lives at Public works and is paid for some public work, fun.
09:59:58 So it was like a budget impact, too. So I think we have a lot of work to do before we consider pulling them into the conversation.
10:00:06 Okay, so we'll invite Monty over for a conversation first.
10:00:10 Yes, yeah. And schedule that. It's, you know.
10:00:14 Yeah.
10:00:16 Alright. Well, I think we have time, as we move into the summer, to have that conversation.
10:00:22 Great thanks for bringing that back up, Kate.
10:00:26 Okay, Mark, how was your you wanna report out on last week?
10:00:32 Sure, I'll report on a couple of things that weren't capable related.
10:00:39 I made some progress on revising County Code to incorporate comments made by the State auditor in their 2021 audit.
10:00:47 Also, put together a draft contract with Tcc.
10:00:51 For management of the gateway Visitor Center and got some feedback from Mr.
10:00:57 Shyly that I'll incorporate into a revised revised draft a fair amount of time working with Dcd.
10:01:06 On, trying to hire a new senior management team and I've got some very good news.
10:01:16 It looks like our code development manager position has been filled.
10:01:24 Our building official at Fire Marshall position, I believe, will be filled today, and our administrative services manager.
10:01:33 We have a selected candidate that Josh Peters is going to call today and negotiate an offer, and so I believe shortly we'll be issuing a press release to announce our new senior
management team at Dcd. Which I believe you know, last week.
10:01:54 I reported the reorganization and talked about the 8 vacancies that we suffered the first 3 or 4 months of the year.
10:02:03 Repairs are occurring. Very, very rapidly. I think we have 3 incredible talents coming on the team, and I think we'll schedule an open house or something to welcome that new
management team in the next week or 2 so I'm thrilled to report that that we've we got a new senior management.
10:02:22 Team in DC. Coming on board in the next few weeks.
10:02:26 That's great to hear Mark.
10:02:26 So right now, no, to the calendar. Monday, the eighth was with with the board on Tuesday, as Heidi mentioned, we had a celebration lunch for the derelict vessel.
10:02:39 Removal quite an accomplishment, 0 experience, 0 knowledge and an expertly conducted mission by Commissioner Eisenhower and Julie Shannon hopefully, we'll never have to do another
one of those.
10:02:59 And then a 20'clock, a team meeting with my fellow chief executives, and then on Wednesday met with the North Olympic Peninsula City Manager County Administrator Group.
10:03:14 And then the childcare capacity, family support with the Y.M.C.A.
10:03:20 And Jefferson healthcare. I carried that meeting.
10:03:24 Kate was in DC. And Michael Mark was on vacation, and then Judy Shepard joined us.
10:03:28 Towards the end done on Thursday, CEO. Breakfast with Cindy Brooks, our Edc.
10:03:37 Team, Jefferson director and a number of local executives, and then met with Sheriff Noel.
10:03:44 And Carrie Bens and Sarah Melonson to discuss upcoming negotiation with the sheriff's Admin group.
10:03:53 And then I was gonna sit on the one tenth, 1% rp.
10:03:57 Panel, but was waived off. I'll be talking to Anna about that today or tomorrow.
10:04:04 And then my weekly check in with Chris Coy, and then on Friday a weekly one on one with Brent Butler, met with Bridget to do a performance, review, and then in the afternoon
the and I was impressed with that to have a 700% increase in the
10:04:23 number of adults. If we can do that year over year soon that'll be a bang up event.
10:04:30 So that was my week.
10:04:32 Great. Thank you very much. Okay, well, let's do a little bit of just kind of agenda setting.
10:04:40 We've still got calendaring for this week. But not a lot else. This morning.
10:04:44 Are there other things that we wanna talk about this morning?
10:04:49 It was one thing that came up in briefing what I thought we should return to.
10:04:54 I forgot what now?
10:04:59 The letter? No!
10:05:03 Oh, no, not the letter, because we're we're gonna just hold fast on that.
10:05:07 But I will send it. I can't remember. What else do we people wanna talk about need to talk about this morning.
10:05:15 Oh, yeah.
10:05:13 Well, I wanna, talk about Rody's on Saturday.
10:05:19 I'm planning.
10:05:20 I'm coming. I'm sorry so are are we listing items? Or, okay?
10:05:25 Yes.
10:05:27 Jumping in. I'd love to talk about the Icg meeting at some point.
10:05:31 Okay.
10:05:33 I'm working on the forestry workshop for next week with Paul Jewell.
10:05:48 Okay.
10:05:39 He'll be joining us for that, just to talk about what happened in a legislative session with the Trust land transfer, and the 83 million dollar proviso and regional.
10:05:52 There's a I met with our regional small farms coordinator at Wsu, and she's interested in coming and doing a workshop with the board, giving us an update on the small farms
program at Wsu.
10:06:07 Cool.
10:06:08 I have a couple of dates on the horizon kind of way out, where Mondays are.
10:06:14 Gonna be challenging for me. So. But I just flagged those for folks.
10:06:20 So maybe you guys could try and be here those days for sure. So we have a.
10:06:23 Challenging like you're you're not gonna be here on those Mondays. Is that what you're saying?
10:06:27 I won't be here, but I and I likely can call in for some of the meeting.
10:06:35 Okay, well, just looks like, identify it and and keep it to just must do things when you can't be with us.
10:06:43 Of course.
10:06:43 Yeah.
10:06:46 We should also talk about radio show.
10:06:48 Yeah. Oh, right. That's the one the radio schedule.
10:06:53 Okay.
10:06:57 Alright, so Rody plans. Icg, is there more to talk about the forestry workshop? Or is that just kind of part of calendar? And coming up?
10:07:04 That's just a heads up on calendaring.
10:07:06 Alright! Well, I look forward to that conversation with Paul. Radio schedule anything from you.
10:07:13 Mark that we should discuss as a group.
10:07:16 On Verizon. Nope. Not that I can take other than what you already identified.
10:07:23 Great. Well, let's start with calendaring, and then we'll go into Rody, Icg and radio schedule.
10:07:30 And see how that does for the morning. You, Kate, are you still in an integrity, or you want to wait?
10:07:39 I think I am in free bars, and somehow.
10:07:42 Alright, that's great!
10:07:46 Sorry were you? Starting with calendaring?
10:07:48 Yes.
10:07:49 Okay, yes. So glad to be back in the saddle, although not for long.
10:07:57 I'm here this week, and then I'm doing a vacation next next next week I will be there on Monday for the week.
10:08:07 After that. So this week, let's see, have a North Olympic Development Council Executive Board meeting and apparently the Economic Development Administration will be releasing
the brands rules.
10:08:23 And so we're starting to get closer on. Well, let's sing around them for that and it's a reminder.
10:08:31 That's the Chips act funding for prim age workforce development and helping to do a 2 pennies.
10:08:38 Submission around timber 2 point oh, problems are interested in some manufacturing of events, number products.
10:08:47 And then it's that from Jefferson as well, although unless it's infrastructure to support that and more interest in some maritime innovation.
10:08:56 So, both areas, I think we have a strong value proposition for funding.
10:09:01 So we're gonna start digging into that in the next couple of weeks.
10:09:08 Let's see, we have a meeting. I'm not there. Drones!
10:09:10 Tomorrow I missed a board meeting last week, and, Mark, it sounds like you.
10:09:15 Nice to touch, base on me. Self power at the fairgrounds.
10:09:20 If in advance. That's of my meetings tomorrow I'm gonna meet with Jen Morrow.
10:09:30 Number of items tomorrow we'll call out.
10:09:37 Pleased to see the exception. Penny Library has a talk tomorrow night, and we're all gentrification in author. Come to speak at 60'clock, which I'm excited about Wednesday.
10:09:46 We have our annual breakfast, the library trustees.
10:09:49 In the morning. Then be meeting with Mark and Monty to discuss the aquatic center, and how that effort can work to also, perhaps, advance the recreation needs in the county
mark and I then meets with Judy Shepard to and maybe the auditor as well to talk about the
10:10:14 use of Michael Mark's time on the Gramps, with Childhood Center.
10:10:17 And also the Cdbc. Grant, and like.
10:10:22 Now pencil meeting, Thursday.
10:10:26 Let's see. Now look at that. It should have been a free morning, and then a packed afternoon, mostly Board of Health.
10:10:32 On the afternoon. So hopefully get product on email. Then Friday morning in Aquatic center monthly planning meeting and then an environmental health.
10:10:44 Subcommittee meeting for the State Board as well, and then I am taking off.
10:10:51 I'm gonna miss my first Rody in a long time to see my dear Matthew graduate.
10:10:56 From college in Oregon, so we'll miss the really great.
10:11:01 Huh!
10:11:01 I'm sorry to say so. That is my neighbor.
10:11:05 Great. Thank you, Heidi. Our plan for our serpentine nesting bolt is already falling apart for the Rody.
10:11:18 Right.
10:11:15 Well, we got we got other backup drivers.
10:11:21 So let's see, tomorrow I in the morning I plan on going to the Wild Smoke community training at the Cotton building with our public health team in the afternoon.
10:11:34 I'm meeting with a Y board member to talk about kids in our community.
10:11:40 Sorry he's reaching out to you all too and then we have our behavior, health, advisory committee meeting to talk about the school-based mental health recommendations in the
afternoon.
10:11:51 Wednesday morning. I'll be with you at the library and my favorite places in the county.
10:11:59 The library, that is, and meeting with our strategic planning team, and then at in the morning also, and then I I have some serious homework to do.
10:12:18 Hmm!
10:12:13 I raise my hand to be on the statewide shorelines, hearing hearings board and I have my first hearing coming up, and they sent me like 300 pages of case file to review, and
I I realize I may be in over my head on this one but I'm I'm gonna dot dive
10:12:30 in the deep end and so I have a lot of reading to do this week, and it's gonna be very interesting process.
10:12:36 I already started doing some of the reading over this weekend it's a really interesting case.
10:12:41 So, and King County. So it's not related to anything here in Jefferson County, but already learning a lot, and then Chemo powered teams, coalition.
10:12:55 And then I'm gonna go to the creative entrepreneurship network projects unveiling at the.
10:13:03 It's a Edc. Project at the Portons and Film Festival Office.
10:13:08 Thursday morning. I'm going to the kick off of our community.
10:13:16 Wildfire protection planning process with our consultants.
10:13:19 Thursday morning, then Thursday, midday, I am going to participate in Perks Chili, cook off.
10:13:26 Hmm!
10:13:30 Following that there's a meeting in my trust land Transfer.
10:13:35 Uhhuh. Conservation Work group, that I've been part of for the last year and a half, and we are going to celebrate the success of getting our bill through the Legislature and
our list of projects funded so super huge accomplishment for this Scrappy group of
10:13:51 people who came together to move this through the legislature, and super grateful for the leadership that group came together to provide, and glad to be a part of it.
10:14:05 Then Thursday afternoon we have our Board of Health meeting, and that's conflicts with but but it'll be fine, because then our Olympic Peninsula tourism strategic planning team
are going to come to the courthouse at 4 30 and if there's time
10:14:26 i'm gonna try and get him up in the clock.
10:14:27 So. But that's still a work in progress.
10:14:32 But I'll be at the board of House meeting Friday.
10:14:36 I will be meeting with that same strategic planning tourism, strategic planning team first thing in the morning and then joining a Olympic coast.
10:14:46 National Ring, Sanctuary, sack meeting virtually, and then getting ready for the roadie parade, still planning on.
10:14:57 This is the dream that we drive the 3, the red, white, and blue vault bolts.
10:15:02 But now we won't have a red bolt if Kate's got hers with her.
10:15:05 So we'll just have maybe we'll all right in the blue bolt together. I don't know.
10:15:10 Maybe, anyway, I did order some red, white, and blue swags for the bolts to put on.
10:15:17 The hood of all the little cars. So, anyway, that's my week.
10:15:24 Alright!
10:15:24 Sorry. I screwed up the plan.
10:15:28 Yeah.
10:15:28 We'll send someone else to. Oh, yeah, no, because we don't have the Red Bull, so we'll figure it out.
10:15:34 To both.
10:15:33 There's a lot of maybe we can get Katherine Lamp cause Red Bolt I don't know.
10:15:37 Hmm, yeah, there are red bullets out there. Okay? Well, let's see.
10:15:43 Let me find my calendar here this week I'm with you guys today.
10:15:49 It's a interesting whatsapp presentation. I think today.
10:15:52 First of 7 on housing. Right? I'm gonna maybe even go to the Wsack, briefing at lunchtime.
10:16:00 Chamber of Commerce meeting, or through Canal Chamber this evening, I will probably miss it, as I am doing birthday stuff for my daughter today, and let's see, and tomorrow
meeting with a housing advocate in the morning before I will join you heidi at the
10:16:20 wildfire, smoke community, training at the cotton building open to the public hope to see lots of people there.
10:16:27 A problem, to try to stop in on the update from the the food bank that in their building the construction down in Queensland have a new purpose.
10:16:39 Built food, pantry. There we have the South County harm, reduction.
10:16:43 Tuesday afternoon, as well. Looking forward to that, and then I will be meeting the old Cap Conference room with some advocates that have some concerns about the the new shelter
design that holy cab got funded for the phase.
10:17:01 One area possible. Brown. So go listen to those concerns and and address them as much as possible.
10:17:07 Let's see. Tuesday evening I'm meeting with the the quilting Skate Park crew to kind of prep them for the Friday meeting with Parks and Rec.
10:17:19 As well as talking about their physical sponsorship I think they're on a good path right now. They have.
10:17:24 You know they they should have a a pitch for the Friday meeting, which I'm unfortunately going to be conflicted out of.
10:17:33 That's why I'm gonna meet with him tomorrow on Wednesday.
10:17:36 I also will see you guys at the annual breakfast for the library trustees, looking forward to that always great to hear.
10:17:43 There their programming developments. And sure, we'll hear a lot about digital equity as it it's catching up around the State to catch up what we have supported our library
doing already.
10:17:55 Here that I'm meeting with a planning commissioner planning commissioner after that Wednesday morning, and that's all the scheduled stuff.
10:18:04 On Wednesday, Thursday, I'm gonna go to the Olympic community of health.
10:18:09 Convening, on, housing at, in blend, and I will miss the Wassak Broadband Committee.
10:18:18 We'll have agenda planning with Mark before the Board of Health with you guys.
10:18:24 On Friday is my big conflict day. It is the rescheduled parks and Rec Advisory Board Park Tour Day, starting in Quil, saying, ending, and then going to Oak Bay and Hj.
10:18:38 Carol Park, I think, ending at Memorial Field.
10:18:42 It's a sales behavioral health, administrative service organization meeting as well, and it will be Commissioner Gelder's last meeting before I think he takes a new role on
the 20 third or soon a half.
10:18:53 So, I'm gonna go to that in person. At also in Bloom.
10:18:59 So I can take goodbyes. And also, I think we're going to be having a pretty robust conversation about the Opioid settlement disbursements, and how each of these 3 counties in
the sales.
10:19:12 Pha. S. So clown Kitsap and Jefferson. I distribute them because we have an Ila that brings those funds in through the Vhsl.
10:19:23 So I missed the parks. I'll be rushing back or finding an online place to do the counting coordination meeting.
10:19:31 But we'll probably have to leave that meeting early to go to the 1230 radio program with Monty, where we're gonna talk about wash dot road projects, county road projects.
10:19:45 And the interface between those 2 things, and then, meeting with some members from the Housing Fund Board after that Friday afternoon to talk about committee process.
10:19:59 There's we've got lots of committees going now, and not a lot of consistent process in those committees for Housing Fund Board.
10:20:05 So just take it a step back and look in with Amy from the city, and Vicky, our new Hf. P.
10:20:11 Member to talk about what the processes should be for our period committees.
10:20:17 And then I will be with Heidi and hopefully lots of other staff at the Rody Parade.
10:20:23 For Saturday morning, and and that is pretty much my week.
10:20:34 Is there? I have some flex. I have some flex. Friday afternoon.
10:20:39 If there's anything confirting for you there, but it sounds like the morning is where yours backed up.
10:20:46 You know. I think if you wanna stop in at the Parks and Rec tour, that goes until 2 Pm.
10:20:53 And there was probably time for you to join I can send the agenda, and if you're interested but I have let Matt know that I won't be there, and the county coordinating the county
coordination meeting, I don't know I can be there until I can be there for the
10:21:08 first hour, it's just the last half hour, so I think that's fine, too.
10:21:11 Go ahead and send. Yeah. Send me the parks and rec schedule.
10:21:11 So I appreciate. Alright! They'll probably be happier to have you there than me, anyway.
10:21:20 So I'll be. It'll be a little surprise.
10:21:20 Greg, come on, Greg!
10:21:24 No, no, it's it's alright.
10:21:27 It's story of my life. It's okay. Alright, Mark, how does your upcoming week look?
10:21:34 Well today, of course, with the board tomorrow, something I've never done in my life before, but we're sitting down with Ufcw.
10:21:43 To begin collective bargaining. So Sarah and I will be doing that.
10:21:49 Have no idea how we will be engaged in that, but we begin at 9 30, so could go all day.
10:21:57 It could end in 20Â min, and we don't know.
10:22:04 So then, on Wednesday, as Kate well, strategic planning project team meeting, this is the last one before we have our strategic planning retreat with the Board and Monday, 40'clock
conference room on the first floor, and then I meet with
10:22:25 Kate and Monty and Matt Tyler to talk about potential metropolitan parks district.
10:22:33 And then a 30 meeting to discuss. Michael Marks time, and how we apply the provisions for overhead and cost recovery to the Usda.
10:22:47 And Cdbg grants, and probably maybe come up with a a larger schema for how to apply his time.
10:22:56 Big part of the justification for hiring Michael was that our hope was that we would be able to build grants for admin and cover his cost and so this is an important conversation,
especially with the 2 large grants for that childcare effort, and then another recurring meeting with the
10:23:14 Y.M.C.A. In a hospital on the childcare center that we're talking about earlier in the day, and then Thursday morning, I think it.
10:23:25 What? 8, 45, community, wildfire, protection plan, Kickoff, I'm really excited about this.
10:23:32 If you take a look at the weather for the next 10 days, in Jefferson County, you'll see no moisture at all.
10:23:38 And rising temperatures. And it's just the beginning of what we'll likely be a very warm summer and early fall, and so I'm delighted that we're finally making use of that title.
10:23:52 3 money that we've been collecting for a decade or so to come up with that planning effort.
10:23:59 And then I will be participating in the chili.
10:24:03 Cook off also, I'll have money in hand and a big bowl, and the agenda plan.
10:24:08 But he is making Chili is Heidi making Chili for the cookoff.
10:24:11 That's what I gathered. Hmm!
10:24:13 Alright, and is Mark making Chili, or just gonna be a judge?
10:24:17 $10 bill and a big bowl. That's it.
10:24:19 Alright!
10:24:21 Yeah, agenda planning at 1 30 with Greg and then weekly with Chris Cole at 3, and then on Friday, and the healthier together, monthly planning meeting, and then Jefferson County
coordination meeting at 1130 and additional work on the code revisions for procurement
10:24:38 and hopefully wrap up a contract with Tcc. For the gateway.
10:24:43 Visitor Center to have on the agenda for Monday the 26.
10:24:49 Hey? Mark one question for you. I cannot attend the 2 15 meeting on Wednesday with the childcare group.
10:24:56 Okay.
10:24:58 That sounds like you are planning to go.
10:25:00 I will be there. Yes!
10:25:02 Okay, great. Thank you. And we might have something I don't know if we'll have anything to report out from our conversation, but that's mostly internal, I think, to the county
that thank you for.
10:25:13 Yeah.
10:25:14 Yeah. And if you have anything you want me to share, Kate, just send it to me, and I'll share it.
10:25:20 Great. Thank you.
10:25:25 That's it for me.
10:25:24 Alright. Maybe we'd still around any other questions or follow up on calendaring. Sounds like we've got the week worked out.
10:25:41 Well, sure for your vacation week. Yeah, let's go ahead.
10:25:45 You here?
10:25:38 And can we look a week ahead? Yeah, and it might actually be the.
10:25:47 And last week. Sorry if the sound quality is, for here I always seem to be talking with the fairy.
10:25:53 Announcements are happening, so I will not be able to attend the budget meeting the last Wednesday of the month, and was wondering if anyone would be willing to fill in in my
secretarial role.
10:26:06 It's pretty easy.
10:26:11 I mean I'll be there. I'm happy to take the minutes.
10:26:15 Okay, great. I can give you the format for it. It's very simple.
10:26:18 Hmm!
10:26:19 And then I will not be able to attend the Icg meeting, either, because we only 2.
10:26:37 When is that?
10:26:23 I've been unable to, you know, work around or reschedule. So I apologize that I can't be there, but you'd love to know if there's what the topic is, and you do a little bit
of planning for that.
10:26:39 20, third, Alright!
10:26:41 Yeah.
10:26:41 I don't have it on my calendar. Wait!
10:26:45 Maybe I do. I do. Sorry I have it. I'll be there.
10:26:51 Twenty-fifth. I'm sorry.
10:26:54 I see it there!
10:26:54 Mark, Mark, do we know the the theme, or what business do we discuss?
10:27:02 We do a little bit. Actually, let's see.
10:27:06 Meeting what's being discussed with Icg meeting this time well, what we're talking about is well, involving the Igc at some point.
10:27:18 But we're gonna meet with Cindy to discuss having a economic development summit focused on some geographic areas.
10:27:27 The Rainier corridor, Glen Cove, Headlock, Uga, and Aaron Burg's interested in expanding the footprint of the airport.
10:27:38 To include additional property that could be devoted towards industrial development.
10:27:45 And then once we.
10:27:46 And just keep your collaboration as well. Right, Mark. I mean, I think, that the port was really interested in talking about how to take this collaboration.
10:27:55 Cut it to the next level, and that's on the agenda.
10:27:55 Well, yes, and so this would be the public Sector Cabinet meeting with Cindy to plan a more inclusive summit on on the.
10:28:07 Yeah, and we are hosting. So I'll be sharing that meeting on the twenty-fifth.
10:28:13 So that topic that Mark just brought up is what's going to be the need of the Icg agenda.
10:28:19 Yep, that plus the agency, the agency report outs and everything.
10:28:24 So it's if you look at the agenda, which I think has already been approved.
10:28:29 What I just spoke to is not on the agenda, but I think it probably ought to be.
10:28:41 Okay.
10:28:37 Well, we have on their opportunities to collaborate as a group, which was how it was presented to me originally from the port.
10:28:46 That would fit in there.
10:28:53 Okay.
10:28:47 And I think that yeah. So I think that's just the space that we'll use that since we've already published the agenda and other things on the agenda are legislative priorities.
10:29:05 Washed out instructions, schedule upcoming State and Federal funding requests granted appropriations so that, plus the agency roundtable is what we got on the agenda. Is there
anything else?
10:29:17 Kate, that you are hoping that we discuss.
10:29:22 I would say that it's easy to change the agenda, and having it be more encourage folks to come like, yeah.
10:29:31 So, for example, I'm on the Edc Board and didn't know that that topic was up for consideration.
10:29:36 So it'd be great to yeah. Just let the public and take Holder to know if something like that is in the document.
10:29:45 I I can work with Mark to just clarify that on the agenda and make sure it's explicitly listed.
10:29:50 Yeah. And you know, Cindy Brooks is enthusiastic about this meeting, about this topic.
10:29:58 That's great. Yeah, and I'm not saying that I should have known about it or anything, just that it.
10:30:05 Sure!
10:30:04 There will be people interested in side condition that makes the point of including it.
10:30:08 Alright. Well, Greg, and I'll fine tune.
10:30:10 Yup!
10:30:11 I got a red bolt.
10:30:14 Oh, that was fast, where'd you get that? How are you doing?
10:30:18 Oh! Perfect!
10:30:17 Katherine Lambeth, captain. She's fine with either of us driving it great.
10:30:21 Okay.
10:30:22 So we just need someone to drive the blue bolt.
10:30:24 Maybe Mark, I had. God! Or maybe Julie, or maybe Stacy.
10:30:31 There you go!
10:30:32 So do we have an entry for the parade.
10:30:35 No, we're gonna be at the front. We're gonna be at the front with the sheriff.
10:30:41 Okay, I know it. They typically wanted to contain that relatively small.
10:30:46 So maybe just check in with the sheriff and with Rita Hubbard.
10:30:41 I will!
10:30:50 Thank you.
10:30:51 Thank you, Kelly.
10:30:55 Cool. Well.
10:30:59 Should we? I guess. Let's just stay on. I see you for a moment, Kate, with you had wanted to talk about it was this, this is the conversation you want to have.
10:31:09 Just what is it?
10:31:10 Yeah, and I do, I wish I think we need to get in the habit when those are upcoming, of like kind of talking about what we wanna cover.
10:31:21 And like it. I don't know.
10:31:25 It seems like it would process of thinking like, okay, what's most pressing?
10:31:33 And so maybe just we can try to do a better job of when a couple of months out.
10:31:38 Having a conversation as a group of what we think is a priority.
10:31:42 For that time.
10:31:45 Well, that sounds good. Hey? Yeah. Hard to do that. As the full group of the Icg. It just becomes a little cumbersome with the agencies together. But yes.
10:31:56 Yeah, but I think we as a group, I think that you know, putting our heads together might be valuable, even though.
10:32:05 Whether how much of the agenda that it's taking up is not always the under control, but.
10:32:10 Yeah.
10:32:11 It would be valuable.
10:32:13 Sounds good. Got? Yeah, that. And lobbying and the radio program, too.
10:32:19 So should we go to the radio schedule?
10:32:22 Yes, please cause I think I'm a schedule.
10:32:26 We were on the 3 week schedule, I was not available, and so I was hoping to get a different date and finalize that.
10:32:34 Alright. So you see here, we're Monty is confirmed for this Friday, so our tentative schedule, though I have not, I will confess, confirmed.
10:32:48 Well, maybe I have. But I was planning to go with the following week and do talk about plan updates, and then we were gonna have Kate with the Canal coordinating council on
6 2 and Heidi with something.
10:33:02 She's already done on 6, 9. So that's not gonna work, because you were just there with Bob Wheeler.
10:33:08 So, which is the week that so you can't do the second. Kate.
10:33:12 Now let me see.
10:33:21 No, I I think I can. I mean to confirm.
10:33:26 That would be Barton's available that day. I think I confirmed the Ninth with her.
10:33:30 So it's a hard thing in the spreadsheet to know how to.
10:33:34 You know what's tentative and what's confirmed, and so I think it'll just be the side of this conversation every 6 weeks or so.
10:33:43 Just fine. Okay.
10:33:41 Yeah, what? So you've already looked. I mean, if you've already set something up for the ninth, we can keep you on the ninth.
10:33:50 Well, I guess, Heidi, do you have a preference of second per night?
10:33:57 No, I mean I have to come up.
10:34:00 I'll need to. We'll need to figure out a new topic.
10:34:03 But I mean, if I feel like there are a lot of potential.
10:34:07 Things to add to the list. So I'm fine with either.
10:34:11 So if one's better for you, Kate.
10:34:16 If, it looks like, maybe it's available on the second.
10:34:20 So maybe just for planning purposes. So we have a few weeks out.
10:34:22 Actually, the the second, the second is bad for me.
10:34:22 I'll sign up for the second.
10:34:25 That's the Straight Year End Meeting.
10:34:28 Oh, good! Okay, perfect. I'll do the second.
10:34:29 Okay. So the second childcare.
10:34:43 Okay? And then Heidi on the ninth. Is that a day? Okay for you?
10:34:51 Yup that works.
10:34:52 I mean, do you wanna maybe talk forestry? You could bring either Mallory or Paul Jul remotely, or I'm not sure what's kind of.
10:35:03 If you wanna get a a narrow lens or a wide lens for that conversation on the radio.
10:35:08 Yeah, I mean, we can recap what we hear next week and talk about next.
10:35:15 Next efforts. Also, I mean, it feels like we could do something on the.
10:35:21 With Tcc. On the Tourism Strategic plan, or we could do something on what else was I just thinking?
10:35:32 I just had another tourism street. Oh, school based mental health, I mean, we could do a rate a show on that.
10:35:41 I mean, there's we can put those for future, too.
10:35:47 We got school base mental health on here. We've.
10:35:50 I mean, it feels like we have a lot of community interest in the forestry issue.
10:35:55 So that would be a good radio show.
10:35:57 Do you wanna?
10:35:58 For the ninth.
10:36:01 The zoom like, are you thinking, Mallory? Our local local efforts or?
10:36:07 I'll just put a question mark. There!
10:36:08 Mallory might be, yeah, yeah.
10:36:13 Alright! So you're on the ninth forestry childcare.
10:36:18 I'll do. Comp plan. Update with someone on the 20 sixsix, and then I'm happy to swing back in.
10:36:31 I guess the.
10:36:31 And that'll be good, because I'll be going to the timber caucus meeting before that as well.
10:36:37 Right, and I can talk solid waste strategic planning on those eighteenth, or I'm sorry the 15.
10:36:53 So Greg, Kate Heidi, and then.
10:37:09 Question, mark.
10:37:14 6, 23.
10:37:17 Would be 8.
10:37:14 Well, I mean, and we can. We can interweave.
10:37:21 6.
10:37:24 So we we can go either way, depending on people's schedule.
10:37:29 Are this twenty-third work for you, Kate?
10:37:39 Okay.
10:37:35 Sorry it does not any chance. I could swap out to someone, and I do think that put now coordinating council and the D listing in San Francisco would be really interesting.
10:37:49 But I'm sorry to say that the date is not good for me.
10:37:51 Is the sixteenth better, or the thirtieth?
10:37:55 The.
10:38:00 Sixteenth is great.
10:38:01 Okay, that's just.
10:38:20 It's.
10:38:22 Okay.
10:38:27 So!
10:38:43 And Heidi does the thirtieth work for you.
10:38:47 Looking.
10:38:49 Yeah.
10:38:48 I always forget the counting cord. Hello!
10:38:53 Hello. Yes.
10:38:57 The thirtieth works for me. Greg.
10:39:01 Alright, I've got it. Let me just.
10:39:08 Alright. I always forget the kind of coordinated county coordination meeting is the third.
10:39:15 So that would be the 20. Third. Okay? Good.
10:39:21 Oh, you said the 20 third works for you, or the thirtieth.
10:39:24 Thirtieth.
10:39:27 16, okay.
10:39:33 Hi!
10:39:37 Yeah, we right now, do you wanna talk about derelict vessel? Turn in or?
10:39:42 Well the turn of it. The turn, in event, is on the fifth of June.
10:39:48 Oh!
10:39:50 So I mean we could talk derelict vessels.
10:39:57 Cause. It's summer, you know. It's the time summer and falls when they tend to come.
10:40:06 Yeah. Yup.
10:40:03 What or school based mental health is also on the list for you, which even more appropriate.
10:40:14 With I'm trying to think of the timing of it being summer, and do we do fire already?
10:40:22 Maybe the the Wildfire prevention planning.
10:40:25 Okay with the consultant. Maybe.
10:40:28 It just feels like that might be more germane to the Tim of year.
10:40:34 Yup!
10:40:39 Yup!
10:40:35 Or maybe with Chief Chief Black. He's, you know, been part of community wildfire planning in other areas and is on our team for this process.
10:40:55 Okay, I think that sounds good. We'll put that as a question mark.
10:40:59 So there's 6 more.
10:41:01 Yup, I think that's what we need right now.
10:41:08 And maybe for forestry. Put.
10:41:14 And where? The question mark is the question mark of who? Let's put.
10:41:24 Mary, Jean, Mjr. Hi, Jean Ryan, and maybe Mallory.
10:41:36 Okay.
10:41:39 Sorry.
10:41:40 Might be good to at some point to do show on Blake and that's gonna be changing rapidly.
10:41:49 But, Greg, if you wouldn't mind just putting in a placeholder and.
10:42:00 And.
10:41:57 Would be of interest to the public.
10:42:03 Yeah, we can always preempt things if there's something that's super topical and timely.
10:42:10 Right, yeah.
10:42:10 So we use this as the basic. But I got like decision in there.
10:42:15 And so Yup, that looks good.
10:42:30 Alright!
10:42:33 Another thing, that's coming up is our, you know road show season is what we have.
10:42:38 Our first community outreach meeting on June first. So pushing those might be relevant doing.
10:42:44 Like kinda a capsule, one of those bringing some of our other elected peers or directors to just kind of talk about the work of a department, and I guess we can always amplify
the events.
10:42:57 I'll make sure we do that for the at the 26, at least for that.
10:43:02 June First Outreach meeting.
10:43:04 Yeah, good idea.
10:43:08 Alright!
10:43:11 Any other topics to throw on right now.
10:43:24 Okay, I will stop sharing, and I I will share this.
10:43:29 The updated the next 6 weeks with Kptz. Tomorrow, I get back to email.
10:43:36 So!
10:43:40 Saturday plans for Rody, I mean, do you wanna practice Heidi?
10:43:45 You wanna get.
10:43:53 We're not.
10:43:48 What would they do? I mean, we gotta if we're gonna do anything crazy, we gotta practice it.
10:43:56 I don't wanna just do it. For the first time.
10:43:58 Get 3 cars.
10:43:59 Well, now that we're borrowing a car, I don't want to get crazy I don't wanna get crazy, anyway.
10:44:05 But that feels silly. What do we need to practice driving?
10:44:14 Yeah.
10:44:12 Our complicated music queues. I don't know.
10:44:19 I'll go to watch the Italian job.
10:44:23 I don't know, Greg. Maybe this may be.
10:44:27 This brainstorm of mine is not gonna work this year.
10:44:35 Correct.
10:44:31 Well, why don't you double check with the sheriff's office and see if it's if they think it's a bad idea.
10:44:44 Yeah.
10:44:40 There's space there. Certainly. I feel like we always end up with this giant gap that we're struggling to fill.
10:44:47 So you know, maybe just 3 cars in a row or I'm happy to walk to.
10:44:54 Yeah. And I'm happy to do my.
10:44:52 It's a beautiful day to get out and walk it's a little bit the best way to enjoy great is to walk in the parade.
10:45:00 That is the best way to do experience a parade. I have to say.
10:45:04 Well, that's touch base you're gonna reach out to the sheriff, and we'll see if we need to practice.
10:45:09 But maybe we don't have to get a third car, and we can just walk fistooned and red, white and blue car decorations.
10:45:17 I'll still wear the car decorations.
10:45:18 Okay, or we can give them to the other. You know other entries to put on there.
10:45:24 Yeah.
10:45:24 So no big, deal.
10:45:29 Yeah, okay, what? I think. That's everything that we had.
10:45:40 Any other topics that we wanna address this morning, or we could always recess.
10:45:48 Now, and come back at 1, 34Â h. Our 2 big workshops this afternoon.
10:45:53 We're gonna talk about fee schedules, both for the parks and Rec, and also generally about a new approach to updating fee schedules across the county departments, which is a
pretty significant conversation.
10:46:07 We're also gonna be talking about the the lower reach, Rocky Brooks, the Dosi Wallops Restoration project.
10:46:14 So big topics this afternoon. Anything else people want to talk about this morning.
10:46:22 I don't know.
10:46:22 I know, and I'll just say I'm gonna have to drop off here a little bit for our appointment.
10:46:29 So thanks for working with my schedule. Yes, yeah.
10:46:30 Do you anticipate being back? 1 30. Okay? Well, great.
10:46:38 Let's just accommodate your schedule.
10:46:40 And I gotta go make a birthday cake for my daughter.
10:46:42 So hopefully. I get that done in time to get on the Whatsapp meeting.
10:46:48 Is anyone else attending Walsack today?
10:46:49 I I will!
10:46:50 Okay. I'll try to listen to. We do have it listed.
10:46:54 Yup!
10:46:54 But okay. Then if there's nothing else, I will recess us until 1 30.
10:47:02 Hope the appointment goes well and have a good lunch.
10:47:04 Everyone.
10:47:05 See you, then.
13:30:13 Alright! Well, I have one thirtythirty here, I guess.
13:30:19 Alright. Thank you.
13:30:18 Go ahead and start recording. Right? Thank you, and I'll call this May fifteenth meeting of the Board of Commissioners back in the session.
13:30:28 Good to see folks, and we might just slow play the intro here to give Commissioner Dean a time to rejoin us, but I don't think we should wait, because I know they're coming
out of them a medical appointment.
13:30:41 So the ending might be kinda uncertain. So, Mark, are you going to we this off?
13:30:52 We're gonna pass, Pinky. We're talking about the workshop on Rocky Brook and power lines reach.
13:30:56 Yeah, I'd like to offer.
13:30:56 Yeah, I'd like to offer to Picky to see this up.
13:31:04 Well, I'm gonna have to offer Tammy.
13:31:09 I was gonna say, why are you guys all trying to take Tammy's?
13:31:14 Hey Dominique?
13:31:15 Alright, no more steel and tammy thunder! Take it away, Tammy!
13:31:20 That being said, I am getting kicked off the zoom option here. So I'm going to if it's okay, with your permission to. So I'm going to. If it's okay, with your permission to
email it to mark my 8 slides, but.
13:31:37 That sounds good. Mark is on the meeting, so he he can run the slide deck.
13:31:41 So, if you don't mind, I'll just do it really quick rather than try to do 2 things at one.
13:31:44 Yup, okay? And I'm probably gonna turn my screen off while you make your presentation.
13:31:52 So I can finish my lunch. But I am here in paying attention.
13:31:55 I just gonna need to see me stuff my face with yesterday's falafel.
13:32:04 How's the heat in in the chambers today?
13:32:08 Good.
13:32:06 Fine. It feels fine. Yeah. How the cake come out.
13:32:14 Well, it's I made the chiffon, and I made the fudge sauce, and then I'm gonna I gotta melt ice cream.
13:32:20 It's an ice cream chiffon fudge cake, so there's still several stages.
13:32:27 Wow!
13:32:25 But I did the stuff I needed to do at lunchtime, including get a little bit of cream, so.
13:32:30 Sounds, fancy!
13:32:33 That's the only thing that satisfies, you know. A fancy cake.
13:32:36 I am made a cake from other's day, so I have to do best that Uhhuh.
13:32:41 We did find that we did find a red bolt, and we did get thumbs up from the the parade folks for being in the parade. Greg.
13:32:49 Oh, great! That's good news. We talked about that more when we okay.
13:32:55 Well, it looks like the slide deck is teed up.
13:32:52 And that would, yeah.
13:32:59 So, Tammy, take it away.
13:33:01 Great. Well, thank you for having me today I'm Tammy Pakorney, Natural Resources Program Coordinator.
13:33:06 And I work in environmental health. And I'm here with the Environmental Health Director, Pinky Mingo, and I'm hoping we're joined by Joey Smith, who's engineer and project manager
for natural Systems design the purpose of this presentation and discussion is to consider a personal services
13:33:25 agreement with natural systems. Design for the Dosi, Wallace River, Rocky Brook, and powerlines Habitat Restoration Designs Project.
13:33:32 This is a continuation of a past project to improve salmon habitat, and to also build resiliency in the water shed, and, as you can see from this map, we're working progressively
on a holistic watershed basis as much as possible in partnership with
13:33:52 the community, and trustees and stakeholders to improve conditions for all parties in partnership with the community, and trustees and stakeholders to improve conditions for
all parties.
13:34:05 This is essentially a phase which we began. I think it's 2019 or so developing a resiliency plan.
13:34:12 And this project under consideration would take that to the next level to preliminary design.
13:34:21 And then we're initiating the Jupiter Bridge to Rocky Brook, planning effort.
13:34:25 Previously. This was called the Walcott Reach, but we've been in communication with the community there, and we're renaming it together.
13:34:35 Rocky brook reach for short the project that we're discussing here is planning only there's no construction as part of this phase that would come later.
13:34:49 Assuming everything goes well. Let's see, the first 4 tasks pertain to the rocky brook reach, so we'd be working with the land owners there, and this is a little bit about what
it looks like just above the rocky brick gorge.
13:35:11 The south side of the reach is mostly, but not entirely, owned by Washington.
13:35:18 State parks, and the north side is completely held privately, and we've had a meeting.
13:35:25 Many of the landowners back in November, and so look forward to reaching out to them again.
13:35:32 This project would first involve assessment work, field surveys to the degree that land owners are willing to have those conducted in person otherwise remotely leading to a
2 dimensional computer model where we'll look at different flows project them out 50 years and in particular consider flows
13:35:55 that are considered essential to the listed Salmonids which are hiddenal summer chum and Puget Sound ship, and those will use all the information gathered up to develop to conceptual
designs to accomplish priority actions so those might include engineered log
13:36:20 jams, or replanting, or other channel modifications, or a range of of activities that could be pursued as part of a resiliency plan, which will also be developed a couple of
other elements are ecological corridors will be delineated
13:36:40 so if the river were operating fully functional in terms of all of the benefits, natural ecosystem services that it would provide without any intervention from human alterations,
or that sort of thing, the ecological corridor would probably capsule the entire flood plain based on what modeling we already
13:37:06 have but that, and that might be a long term aspiration, at least for some landowners.
13:37:13 But in the near term we want to take a look at low flows, and what we can do to help ensure that there's a diversity and quality of habitat that fish need, because the Dosi
wall looks like some of our other hoodpanel watersheds
13:37:28 has a long reach of usable habitat. The 13 plus miles are available to fish, which is more than most, as usually some sort of block to fish passage, and then also we'll be developing
a channel migration zone map that'll be signed off by licensed and so then moving
13:37:52 down. Let's see, I'll just show you the land ownership.
13:37:54 So the red is what's held by Washington State Parks.
13:37:58 You can see how extensive that is.
13:38:01 And yeah, I just really look forward to working with the scoop of folks.
13:38:08 There are a lot of amazing opportunities for looking ahead for how folks interact with the landscape.
13:38:15 And also terrific opportunities to improve salmon habitat.
13:38:22 Let's see. So then, moving on to the power line suite, this is just downstream of the lazy sea and upstream of the Brennan Flats, where the community of Brennan is located.
13:38:37 Here you can see the geography that was considered during the lazy Sea power lines, resiliency planning process and the Dosi Walt River Collaborative met frequently to participate
in the planning effort and also to determine where best to focus with this next phase planning
13:39:02 effort. It was quite readily apparent that the power lines was the area we should probably work in first, and there's some good habitat there already, but also some challenges.
13:39:15 There is some stationary wood that carries over from year to year that provides structure and habitat diversity and thermal refugia, and that sort of thing for fish.
13:39:25 But most of the wood that travels down the dose, and including in this reach, is mobile, and so it just tends to cause trouble downstream and doesn't provide the benefits to
fish that it could and the county actually owns quite a lot of land in the area about 80 acres on the
13:39:44 north and south sides, and Washington State Park also is a major land owner, and then there are 2 private landowners, and we've been in communication with both, and one of them
has already agreed to participate in this effort.
13:39:59 Nothing is obligatory, everything is voluntary. Going forward, but at least we know that one important landowner of 2, very important landowners are ready to I think that's
the only thing that we're going to do is we're going to do.
13:40:19 A lot of of 2 very important land owners are, is ready to participate and and ask a question.
13:40:21 If you if you say there, and and so the primary mechanism for outreach to this community, which, because of where we're located between 2 higher, more densely populated areas,
we'll be communicating about this project on a regular basis with the dosi
13:40:40 wallets River Collaborative, which was just an ad hoc group that met during the pandemic, mostly online and try to formalize that more and haven't in person meeting option in
Port Townsend as well as holding it online and if there's an opportunity to stream live from
13:40:57 Brennan. We could relocate, which would be wonderful so I know that there was a tremendous interest in this area previously, and I expect that to be maintained or grow so if
anyone listing today is interested, please email me or anyone here and I'll get you on that distribution list and we're
13:41:18 hoping to have a meeting in June. It may be as late as August before we really get up and going, assuming everything is acceptable today, and the deliverables would be the ultimately
the preliminary engineering design and basis of design.
13:41:34 Report, there'll be consideration of any changes to surface water elevation as part of the permit preparation process there'll be updates to our existing computer model, and
we'll add the themetry right now, we just have terrestrial lidar to work from so we'll be adding
13:41:52 that we wetland delineations and cultural resources, surveys and.
13:42:02 And wetland. Yeah, I said, Wetland. So just updating the information that we have and tuning up the resolution that much more so that we can ultimately make placements of engineered
structures or that sort of thing and have be able to forecast what
13:42:23 impacts are and benefits they might have, and then the final preliminary design would be selected through the group or refined through the dosi Web Server collaborative, and
hopefully lead to an application for final design or final design and construction ideally and I hope that
13:42:46 wasn't to to brief or but I would be happy to answer any questions, and if Joey's with us he would be too, I know, and.
13:42:58 Yeah, Joey is a panelist. Now, welcome, Joey.
13:43:00 Yup. Thanks for the invite. Thank you.
13:43:02 Yup, thanks for being here, and Heidi any questions off the bat or comments.
13:43:08 I'm scanning through the documents in our packet just to see, add, I just don't have a lot of the backstory on the Dosie Walks River Collaborative.
13:43:18 Could you give like a?
13:43:21 30, s like, what's the history of that? Well, when the resiliency, planning effort was getting underway, we just reached out to the folks who would constitute a technical committee
advisory committee to the project and then that just grew to include land owners, I mean we encourage landowners, to
13:43:48 participate. And and so we met pretty much monthly to learn about the watershed and the geology had lots of speakers initially, just to get everyone on the same page.
13:43:58 And then ultimately natural systems design. Who was our contractor then, as well, made presentations about their announcements leading up to the Resiliency plan solicited comments
on those and the conceptual designs in the case of the lazy sea power lines, were really very aspirational
13:44:19 and so just to get to show what has been lost in terms of the large wood cycle, and with the loss of large trees that these watersheds, the salmon in particular, co-evolved
with the trees right and the structure that they provided and it would take quite a lot of
13:44:37 effort and interest of a scale that is hard to imagine, to recreate that situation.
13:44:46 But so in this process that we're contemplating now the aspirational design will probably need to be.
13:44:55 You know, condensed to what is fundable on the next phase basis.
13:45:02 Right go from there, but we can have near term and long-term visions, and those are shared.
13:45:10 And I've been involved from the get-go, and it's still kind of confusing to me.
13:45:15 It takes a little while for me to wrap my brain around this, too.
13:45:17 So maybe, can I ask a few clarifying questions just to make sure I'm understanding everything you told us today. Correctly, Tammy, Tammy.
13:45:23 Yes, please.
13:45:25 So I guess my take away from the earlier lazy see planning work alright.
13:45:32 I guess I heard you say today that the take away from that was working on the power lines reach first to create some of those.
13:45:40 The woody structures that endure over seasons was that accurate?
13:45:46 Yes, there's space to work that that was been acquired specifically for the benefit of fish.
13:45:56 Habitat, and to prevent conflicts with development and and lifestyle.
13:46:05 So the power lines is largely available and there are benefits that can be anticipated by the property owners.
13:46:15 The private property owners. We want to balance all of the needs, and some times they really do overlap.
13:46:24 For sure. So just to even read between the lines and parts, it is probably too clearly but a lot of lynch owners around the lazy sea. And it's, you know, more challenging to
work to be able to do work there.
13:46:39 So a large part of the advantage of power lines is that it's count owned, and 2 or 3 property owners.
13:46:46 Does that accurate and state merch? Right? Okay.
13:46:46 State parks as well, right and I'm hoping the Lazy C will really residents will really benefit, so that if they follow along in this power lines project they'll learn a tremendous
amount about what the options are in their area they'll learn about what rivers tend
13:47:04 to do when you add sediment or higher flood flows, or, worsening droughts, and how fish need to respond, and perhaps well find portions of this that they want to apply in.
13:47:19 Their area that we could consider applying for grants for those things.
13:47:24 Okay, so, yeah, it's still not any action even here in in the power lines.
13:47:30 But I guess what you'll and Joey. Maybe this is a question for you, but I've seen, you know, low potential locations already for engineered log jams along this in the stretch
down in the power lines, and that's likely the mitigations that would go in as engineered log jams to kind of return
13:47:46 it to a that structured environment. Is that right?
13:47:49 Yeah, that's correct. We would look at, you know, applying target locations with these engineered log jam structures which kind of cohesively work to function as natural log
jams would have in the historic kind of timber and tree size conditions and and the power lines reach we
13:48:10 have a pretty dynamic kind of channel and side channels, and we really like to maintain that those different sizes and scales of channels are really helpful for fish habitat
over the kind.
13:48:20 Of course, of the year and so a lot of our goals there are to preserve what's working really well from a fish habitat standpoint and kind of protect and improve upon that.
13:48:33 With these these targeted structures, and we would look at, you know.
13:48:38 Really there are kind of within that reach. It has the river has been moving pretty rapidly, and we were looking to kind of slow that down a little bit and kinda maintain consistent
consistent spawning gravels, consistent deep pools, so the larger fish can hold and
13:48:57 hide in those deep pools and you know all of this.
13:49:00 So I'm a professional engineer. I look at this from an engineering design standpoint.
13:49:03 I work with river scientists and wetland scientists and a kind of Rome of ecological scientists, but kind of from an engineering perspective.
13:49:12 I really take the kind of do no harm as a primary canon, so we would be looking at potential impacts both upstream and downstream of the project and making sure that the type
of structures we're putting in aren't gonna pose a risk to folks upstream or
13:49:27 downstream, and that's a lot of the work that we do kind of in this next phase, so the phase that Tammy's been talking about that'll be we.
13:49:37 That's how we. That's what we use our hydraulic modeling tool for is to evaluate that risk to, you know, not just aquatic resources, but also infrastructure and human resources.
13:49:45 That's great, because, of course, the concerns I hear from the community often are usually about those impacts.
13:49:52 So, even if we do only work in the power lines reach, it could certainly impact the upstream community as well as downstream communities.
13:50:00 So that's great, and I hope that as as this work develops we'll go back and have more community meetings to talk about what that modeling demonstrates.
13:50:10 And do you get options out of that? Like, you know, if we pursue, like these 9 engineered logjams, this is the what the modeling shows.
13:50:18 Yes, we do. We often do this. What we kind of refer to it refer to as iteratively.
13:50:24 So we'll do it once we'll see what our responses we'll see what we like about that response.
13:50:29 Maybe things that don't fit within our goals and constraints, and we'll kind of make some adjustments.
13:50:34 Take what we learned, run it through the model again, and kind of look to develop a feedback loop where we're, you know, maximizing maximizing the uplift and habitat resource.
13:50:45 Making sure that we're doing no harm for land owners.
13:50:49 And we're also, you know, being fiscally responsible with the public dollars that go towards this work and making sure that the the projects that we propose to ultimately be
implemented, you know, have have a positive uplift.
13:51:03 And so that's all kind of a a lens that we look at the project through, it, and part of the process when we that's a big part of what we kind of refer to as this preliminary
design process.
13:51:13 So it's kind of figuring out all those nuts and bolts.
13:51:15 Right. Thanks, joy! I see Kate with this and his. Raise your hand, Kate, did you have a question, or you just trying to come over as a panelist?
13:51:23 I was hoping to ask a question about I'm sorry I can't be there in person.
13:51:25 Okay.
13:51:29 Okay.
13:51:27 I've been listening to the whole presentation now, so I am curious, and you know I'm very happy to see those sensitivity with which we're approaching this project.
13:51:38 We know it's important habitat, and, of course, for humans as well.
13:51:44 But I'm curious. What is the how does this project interface with the work that's being done in Brennan itself?
13:51:53 And Tammy and I talked about this many times over the years.
13:51:55 But you know where we have these very limited, you know, limited area of more intense real development so I guess I'm curious kind of ecologically, how you think about that
impacts downstream.
13:52:10 And then also, you know, just how. How do we do? Restoration?
13:52:22 Well, that's.
13:52:16 Well knowing that these limited places where we have to put development and where we are really required to drive development to because of growth management. Just can help
me think about how this. How are you thinking about this project? These are the actual village of Brennan.
13:52:31 Hmm, but if there are best right for establishing, okay?
13:52:46 What else? Oh, do that?
13:52:55 A mixture of.
13:52:37 Love for Joey to answer this too, but I just would like to point out that the Brendan breaches this subject of our current request to the recreation and Conservation office
for a planning process to develop conceptual design similar in scope at least the scope would be at
13:52:58 least as large as the the rocky brook.
13:53:02 Initial planning phase, looking at the Fema flood zones in Brennan.
13:53:01 Gosh, yeah.
13:53:08 There's some real challenges and choices and and it's really up to the community how they would like to balance the opportunities and challenges.
13:53:19 And I feel that a project in the Brennan reach along the lines.
13:53:24 But we're doing currently in Rocky Brook would just bring the information forward.
13:53:28 That is really important information about the choices and opportunities to perhaps say, for example, I'm not saying this is the best idea, or even a idea, but it might be worth
considering opening up another pathway.
13:53:48 For the river to go, rather than just having the one current main channel that goes under the bridge, which may or may not be quite wide enough, and all those sorts of things
could be considered and discussed.
13:54:02 It would if it's 6. This request is successful, it would strictly be for planning, and with a very strong focus on community dialogue and bring in the best expert information
forward for the community's consideration, and also these other projects are looking at downstream effects.
13:54:22 Specifically written into the rocky brook. Even the Rocky Brook project is to look at downstream effects because it is one system, and what happens in one reach affects downstream,
reaches even well downstream potentially, although scientifically it might be difficult to make a direct
13:54:43 causation, but it's part of the it's one story.
13:54:47 This server is is the I'm sorry.
13:54:48 And just to if I just follow up the the Brendan reach.
13:54:55 Remind me to me, did that proposal also include looking like impacts from sea level rise?
13:55:01 Yes, incorporate in the counties. Current effort to assess that, and is the Brennan reached between the power lines.
13:55:10 Hmm!
13:55:20 And they would plan.
13:55:10 Reach Polygon. The circle there, and the Estuary Campground circle the Estuary campground is just a I'm just pointing out where wild fish can serveb in Washington state parks
has already been working on and okay, but the Brynner reach would include Washington state parks
13:55:27 they want to be part of the modeling effort. So it's everything.
13:55:29 The flow would be high.
13:55:30 Looser.
13:55:31 The blue circle. It's every okay. Got it. Got it?
13:55:33 Oh, come on!
13:55:37 Of a bunch of.
13:55:35 Okay, Joey, did you have? I can ask, did you have anything to add to? In answer to Kate's questions?
13:55:40 And then it's I think you did a really good job characterizing the relationships. There.
13:55:48 And again looking at it as one system, I think all I would add is that we do always look at upstream and downstream impacts of these projects, and you know, just as an example,
one of the things we see a pretty commonly is when we add these big lot.
13:56:03 These large stable wood structures that are designed to stay in place for 50 to a hundred years.
13:56:07 They tend to collect a lot of wood. That's moving through the system.
13:56:10 And really kinda help hold some of the finer settings within the project reach.
13:56:17 So that we would, looking at. You know we would be looking at if the project in power lines does all that you know.
13:56:26 What does that mean? Does that mean? They'll potentially be less.
13:56:28 Would, moving to the Brendan reach. Those are the kind of impacts we'll look at.
13:56:33 Can can I follow up on that a little, Joey?
13:56:34 Yeah.
13:56:36 I guess I'm curious, because and maybe you can help me kind of scope timelines that we're looking at.
13:56:49 For?
13:56:42 But with the with the power lines reach. If you know the plans done in another year year and a half, and then let's say we get money initially.
13:56:51 You know the what 5 million dollars it's going to be 10 million dollars.
13:56:54 It's going to take to to do this. Isn't that, you know, talking about iterative changes that's going to impact like the rocky brook ones significantly.
13:57:05 But yeah.
13:57:04 It might. Maybe it will already create that. But modeling upon modeling has to get pretty uncertain at some point.
13:57:15 And is there ever a pause taken to assess actual impacts in the field?
13:57:17 I guess I just he unpack that a little bit for me.
13:57:19 Yeah, that's I mean, that's a good question about the kind of the breadth and the timelines right?
13:57:27 This work does take years to kind, to plan and design and implement.
13:57:31 And I would say, you know, it's never a static target right we're working with dynamic systems.
13:57:36 So they're continuing to evolve as we're going through this kind of engineering driven design process.
13:57:42 So to kind of think more kind of specifically about some of your questions about how would you know actions on the power line reach that would likely, you know, be implemented
first affect what we're looking at in the Rocky Brook reach I think we do have you know some kind of
13:58:03 longitudinal distance between the 2 reaches. I think what we've seen as we see a lot of you know, localized changes.
13:58:10 So we would expect, you know, localized changes within power lines specifically where we're placing structures.
13:58:17 And we might see more wood there, but you know, as the dosey waltz as as a whole river system, you know, continues to function and operate, it will continue to recruit more
wood and move more sediment through the system, so I think you know, to some extent we are
13:58:34 able to look at how like, when do you work in a working in in a river system that has a lot of kind of these types of projects in place already you're able to kind of see how
they'll respond and use those to inform kind of the next phase of work as a whole so I think
13:58:55 in some sense is the power lines reach will be one of those first really large projects that will help inform designs and outcomes.
13:59:05 So it is. You know it is something that we, you know, continue to observe and build upon as restoration efforts in a in a watershed move forward.
13:59:18 Yeah.
13:59:19 Okay. Thank you.
13:59:25 So, not really looking for anything right, Tammy. We're just kind of walk talking through these projects today.
13:59:31 Is that right?
13:59:31 Actually, I was hoping that you might consider and approve the the personal services agreement with.
13:59:38 Oh, right sorry! Bring that up with Nsd.
13:59:47 Continuing work that's already been going on for years in this system.
13:59:56 All right.
14:00:01 Hiidi any other questions or comments.
14:00:07 Seems like, yeah, go ahead.
14:00:05 I'm happy. Oh, sorry! I'm happy to support this moving forward like you, said.
14:00:13 It's many years. And the making. And, you know, having just come from DC.
14:00:18 Spending a week talking about estuaries, and, you know, being something of a success. We just need to keep doing this work to keep that momentum.
14:00:30 So on.
14:00:30 Strong word. Let's keep. Let's hope we can have somewhat of a success with this project.
14:00:35 I'm happy to make a motion that we approve the professional service agreement with natural systems design for the Dosi Wells River, Rocky Brook and power lines reach habitat
restorations design project April first 2023 to November Thirtieth 2024,
14:00:54 for the amount of $444,887.
14:00:59 I will second.
14:01:02 All right. It has been moved and seconded, and I'm just double checking the agenda to see we did not add an additional public comment, and we had options this morning, so I
will call the question all in favor of the motion on the floor.
14:01:17 Greg.
14:01:17 Hi!
14:01:16 Indicate by saying, Hi! Hi! Any opposed.
14:01:20 Greg Abl says she did put a public comment in here.
14:01:24 Oh, okay, sorry. Let's open it up. Take it back.
14:01:31 Can you play rewinds? Push the rewind button radio?
14:01:34 Thank you.
14:01:37 And I would open it up. If anyone has any public comment we'd love to hear from you and click, raise hand or star 9.
14:01:44 You have a comment to make on this action. We are considering.
14:01:53 Okay, seen no public comment. I will close public comment, and once more call the question all in favor of the motion on the floor, approving the agreement with natural system
designs, and indicate by saying, I Hi!
14:02:08 Okay.
14:02:11 Bye!
14:02:12 Any opposed. Okay, that is unanimous. Great. Well, again, sorry that I couldn't be there with you, Tammy, but good to see you on the screen, and Pinky and Joey nice to see you
again as well, and look forward to seeing out in the Field and in
14:02:26 Brennan, as we move forward.
14:02:28 Thank you very much, yeah. You don't get to see Tammy's cute shoes.
14:02:34 Oh!
14:02:38 Thank you.
14:02:34 She's got cute today. Yeah, thank you.
14:02:42 Adulthood. You turn on the search, follow shoes, function on the out camera.
14:02:53 Alright!
14:02:50 Yeah, exactly. They're use but the hot weather shoes.
14:02:56 They come out.
14:02:56 Nice. Alright. Well, next up we are.
14:03:02 Have an odd pairing. I'm not sure if Matt or Barbara are. Gonna be with us.
14:03:06 Probably remotely, I would guess, unless Matt's in the room.
14:03:10 Well, Matt's got his hand up waiting to come over.
14:03:11 Okay, let's bring Matt over. And oh, I see Barbara Ericman as well, too, so we can bring both of them over.
14:03:19 Thanks, Tammy, thanks very much.
14:03:22 Thanks a lot. Tammy.
14:03:25 Keep up the good work.
14:03:32 Good afternoon, Matt.
14:03:34 Good afternoon, everyone.
14:03:39 For being with us.
14:03:46 Okay.
14:03:41 So I don't know. Do we wanna go in order that the that are packet was?
14:03:50 Or do you want to talk about the overarching idea first, and then I guess we don't have Barbara yet so cool.
14:03:54 We're working on it.
14:03:57 Here she comes!
14:04:00 Okay.
14:03:55 I can. I can wait in carbon. I talked, and Barb and I discuss.
14:04:05 I would go first with a Powerpoint overview and then discussion of the Rec.
14:04:10 Fees and then Barb would follow up with a discussion of the administrative changes that are proposed.
14:04:16 Hi barb.
14:04:19 Thanks for being with us. Okay, that sounds good. So we'll start with Matt and the specific fees that parts of the wreck that we're considering, and then we'll move on to the
more.
14:04:30 General, how do we do this for the counting?
14:04:33 Okay, let's see. Can you see my Powerpoint?
14:04:38 Looks, perfect.
14:04:38 We can't.
14:04:40 Okay. Great.
14:04:43 So I'm gonna dive into a quick powerpoint about the parks and rec fees.
14:04:53 For a preview of what we're talking about. We're talking about right center fees, fees for our paidic shelters.
14:05:02 Hj. Carl Park and Memorial Field, as well as our campgrounds.
14:05:06 The preview also shows that the biggest revenue increase that's going to result as well as our campgrounds. The preview also shows that the biggest this graph just kind of implied
that where are fees come from?
14:05:21 Mostly it's from campgrounds, and the biggest increase that we see is in the campgrounds.
14:05:26 So like so many other things, we were delayed by the pandemic the last time this was updated was in 2,014.
14:05:35 So it's been quite a while. It continuously updated each year up until 2018 pandemic happens.
14:05:42 So this proposal that we're talking about would be in place from 2023 to 2029.
14:05:46 So before we talk about the specific fees, I thought it would be helpful to review just the background and the reasons and some things about parks and Rec and that guided us
in our in our fee proposal changes this fixture.
14:06:02 Just I threw it in there to just remind us with Parks and Rec is all about providing services for families and citizens and kids.
14:06:11 But other reasons include inflation. I think we've all been aware of that recently improving service, making sure is sure our fees are smart.
14:06:22 They protect our resources, make maintenance easy, and maybe most of all to balance our obligation for the general funds subsidy that we get so this pyramid shows the basic
philosophy of parks and rec on the bottom is things that have no subsidy so
14:06:43 our foundation in parks, and Rec. Is our free public parks and as your work way up the pyramid, there's things that we do less of, and those things have increasingly higher
in higher rate of subsidy.
14:06:55 So somewhere in the middle is like a facility rental or a field rental, a wreck, a rental to a recreational sports league, and at the top, so like with the highest amount of
subsidy would be something like renting a campsite to someone.
14:07:11 And we have a lot of challenges in probably the biggest one is, we don't have a parks pass.
14:07:18 We don't have a discover pass or a National Forest Pass, or a Olympic National Park Pass.
14:07:24 All of our parks are free also, we're the sole provider of public athletic fields and the campgrounds.
14:07:30 That we do have are amazing and beautiful, but they're all really small compared to places like Salt Creek or dungeon Sid county campgrounds that we do have are amazing and
beautiful, but they're all really small compared to places like salt c and so with our fees we don't wanna
14:07:47 just make money. We wanna make sure that our fees make sense.
14:07:50 And to that end we worked really closely for a long time on this the Advisory Board talked to many people, talk to their constituents, and we had keystakeholders into advisory
board meetings.
14:08:02 I interviewed many people in person, just to make sure that our fees are inclusive, and they're in concurrence with our partners in their simple and understandable.
14:08:11 So I would say, we've been working on this for over.
14:08:16 So the next section is to do some quick overview of parks and rec like, what are the key statistics in our revenue and our expenditures, and so forth.
14:08:26 So I'll just jump into that. Probably one of the biggest ones, is that we have a really high level of service in parks in Jefferson County.
14:08:33 So residents per part is low. We have a lot of parks and a small population. So you know, we're close to being a tenth of the national average in number of parks per people.
14:08:47 And same with acreage, and we have a really high number of acres per person here.
14:08:53 A lot of that high acreage comes from Gibs Lake, which is huge, 740 Acre Park definitely skews our acreage in our parts you've all seen this slide before.
14:09:08 I think everyone's really aware of how much and how intensely park use has increased even before the pandemic.
14:09:16 We figured ahead, increase a hundred 97% even before the pandemic, we figure it ahead, increase a hundred 97%.
14:09:25 And then, since the pandemic that's a really high rate of increase.
14:09:27 The doubling rate of 18% is 4 years. So if we stay at that rate, then park us will double every 4 years.
14:09:36 So. On the other hand, our expenditures in our parks are low.
14:09:42 We do, I think a really good job. I keeping parks efficiently run and providing a really good value for people.
14:09:49 So the average median expenditure per acre in in the country is $1,400.
14:09:57 We spend $582 per acre for our parts, and that includes places like memorial Field, which are very high, intense use, critical use so you have to be there and be ready for memorial
field a lot of that's caused and it made possible by our
14:10:16 volunteers a really high rate of volunteerism in the recreation program, and our adoptive park program Irendale Beach and Indian Island Advisory boards through our caretakers
and camp hosts, and we also have a lot of people I call renegade
14:10:32 landscapers who just basically take care of places that we're at.
14:10:38 I mean, people care about our parts that clean up after themselves.
14:10:41 A lot of them will do work without ever reporting their hours.
14:10:48 So another indication. I think, of how efficient and effective we are is that we have basically the same fte, that we had in 2,006.
14:11:00 And that's with the great greatly increased park use that we have.
14:11:04 So people are out there in our park system are working really hard and providing a good value so quick overview of the rect program to keep that in mind, we run a comprehensive
community recreation program.
14:11:17 It serves the entire county, from Brennan to it, serves pre-k through retired, and it's unique to have something like this in a county.
14:11:28 It's very much volunteer, base, accessible.
14:11:32 It's extremely affordable and a lot of people participate.
14:11:37 Just a quick overview of our requ programs. Again, we have 13 core programs.
14:11:42 How we do this is we run a limited number of small of large programs.
14:11:48 We had 11 over 1,100 participants in our paid programs.
14:11:51 It generated over 62,000 people hours.
14:11:56 A hugely productive recreation team that we have.
14:12:00 To break it down. That's 28,000 people contact hours per per fte, and that's what I call productivity.
14:12:10 We have less employees in rack than we had in 2,009.
14:12:15 You can see there the fte that we're working with.
14:12:19 So we talk about our fees are really providing a lot of bang for the buck that we get so next, let's look at our revenue.
14:12:27 You can see that most of our revenue comes from the general fund with from fees, and also our L tech grants are Tilt.
14:12:35 Campgrounds. It's a quick breakdown there.
14:12:41 I am proud of this number. Our total non-j fund revenue is 25% of our total.
14:12:51 The national average for counties is 18%. So we've worked hard to keep that 25% high through a number of different pathways, not just fees, and that doesn't include volunteer
labor.
14:13:05 So what do we spend our money on? I'm about 60% on our parks.
14:13:10 Maintenance, 25% on the rec program and 15% on memorial field.
14:13:16 So the fees that we've included already mentioned campgrounds, fields, park shelters, and the Rec. Center.
14:13:22 So let's start with campgrounds. I like this graph.
14:13:26 It just shows how amazingly busy our campgrounds have been.
14:13:29 This is in people nights, and you can see just a huge increase in 4,000 people nights to over 12,000. Since 2,008.
14:13:40 The economic impact of our campgrounds is huge. That number is strangely specific, but really it's just an estimate of the economic impact.
14:13:49 It's based on the work of John L. Compton, who has a method and system of measuring.
14:13:57 You can economic impact that I use to create this.
14:14:01 So the comparables for our campgrounds. One of the things we provided is a way to compare what we're proposing with what is out there.
14:14:11 The average of what is out. There is 30 sixsix dollars a night for partial hookups, and $29 a night for no hookup. So the rate that we're proposing is 35 for partial and 25
for no hookups.
14:14:26 And this is a proposal. Comp means Comp comp comp means comp comp comp means comp comp comp comp means comp comp comp comp means comp comp comp comp means comp comp comp comp
means comp comp comp.
14:14:32 2022 basically means what we have now and then 2023 is what we're proposing for the new fees.
14:14:41 Fee structure, you can see that we're raising the fees by increments of $5 just to make it easier because people are paying for these fees and cash, and you can see that it
costs more to have electric hookups than it doesn't in other places and we still have a
14:14:58 bicycle only see. And this this fee increase will generate about 2,000 $22,000.
14:15:06 We estimate in the first full year it's only going to be a partial year in 2023.
14:15:14 So one, thing that I didn't think of that a private citizen pointed out to me was that with our electrical hookup stations, we need to be aware, maybe not right now, but in
the future of people charging electric vehicles from our hook our campsite
14:15:34 hookups these electrical hookups have 2, 2050, a plugs.
14:15:40 So there are, and 2, 2030 amp plugs.
14:15:44 So it would be. Quite imaginable that someone would plug their electric reveal into electric vehicle.
14:15:50 Into these hookups, which would suck down a lot more power than we've planned on for these fees.
14:15:55 So something I'll be working on in the future to try to address so part of what I'm doing here is trying to get your input that's why we're going through.
14:16:05 This is. Do you want me to stop now and give you a chance to weigh in on these as we move through?
14:16:13 I hey, heidi? I mean I've been through this conversation with you before, Matt, but I appreciate you bringing up Ev's, you know, charging up the Ev at the I mean. I don't know
how much electricity does that really use I guess i'd be curious in
14:16:27 that analysis, something that's a problem or something that seems like a problem.
14:16:31 The tentative analysis as at the retail rate of 11 cents per kilowatt hour.
14:16:37 It would be, and someone plugged in there. Let's say they plugged in an electric vehicle into a 30 amp.
14:16:44 Plug. It'd be about 8 bucks a a night if they charge overnight.
14:16:47 And if they plugged into a 50 amp, which is not as common, it would be closer to 12 or $13.
14:16:53 That's it. The preliminary analysis that I have.
14:16:57 Are you talking about campers doing that in their campsite? They rented.
14:17:02 Are you talking about?
14:17:03 Well, I think, yeah, a lot of it would be campers that rented campsite.
14:17:09 And I also see in the future. You know, electric vehicles are definitely going to be on the rise.
14:17:13 So in the future we should be prepared to deal with that, and work on that I don't have a proposal about it right now, but am putting it out there.
14:17:21 Okay.
14:17:23 It's something I can change in the future, because with Barb's help, we're going to be switching to a a resolution system of fee increases which will make this much easier.
14:17:35 And I can address that if it comes up I've never seen electric vehicle plug into our Rv.
14:17:40 Sites right yet, but I did wanna bring it up to something I'm thinking about for the future.
14:17:43 You will see it for sure. I've thought about doing it.
14:17:46 Oh, yeah, it makes perfect sense.
14:17:49 Okay.
14:17:50 Hey? I'm sorry I'm kind of in a loud spot.
14:17:53 I apologize, but I'm curious.
14:17:55 Do we have any idea how much more power we think Evs would be using versus Rv's.
14:18:02 Presumably these are people who are camping so less impact and paying more.
14:18:08 But does that cover that
14:18:12 I would have to do that analysis right now. I've just gotten from a citizen a quick, a quick analysis of what an ev uses.
14:18:21 But before we change anything, and I'm not proposing an electric vehicle fee right now.
14:18:25 But I'm just throwing it out there. Something to think about.
14:18:29 But I could provide that.
14:18:32 I'm.
14:18:32 Yeah, we wonder that, too, how much the Ev's use versus the Rv's.
14:18:37 I mean, that'd be interesting to know.
14:18:37 Is the Rv. Running. Its air conditioner. That's really that, you know.
14:18:45 Yeah.
14:18:42 There's other factors that are going on to someone that just comes and plugs in doesn't do anything.
14:18:48 Isn't gonna use much, but if you're running an air conditioner for 8Â h, you're probably on par with that electric car.
14:18:54 Our heater overnight or something, but yeah, I don't mean to that.
14:18:59 To be a side distraction, but I did. Wanna bring it up.
14:19:02 So in terms of the campground fee proposal, Matt, it.
14:19:07 I'm curious. What what you use for coms.
14:19:09 Did you already tell us?
14:19:13 Oh, thank you, thank you.
14:19:10 Yeah, this shows the comps. Sorry I've been going kind of fast, but I'm glad you're asking questions now.
14:19:18 Washington state parks, column, county City of Anticorters.
14:19:24 In King County, to see.
14:19:26 So the - the comps do you use, though we're the average right?
14:19:32 Yeah. And then I averaged all of those.
14:19:34 Right? Okay, okay.
14:19:38 The state parks are really pretty expensive if you go online and get a reservation which you need, you pay in a you pay 8 bucks, 3 bucks.
14:19:48 Wait I guess. 3 bucks per night the reservation fee is there you don't need to discover.
14:19:54 Pass if you have a campsite, but there's extra fees.
14:20:01 Uhhuh.
14:20:01 Yeah.
14:20:16 Definitely they will. Yeah.
14:20:01 Well, it looks like from, you. Look like in your table that are coms, or you know your proposed amounts were around the coms which makes sense over the next few years, and I'm
sure the Comps will go up over the next few years as well I'm sure they have so you know
14:20:21 I mean your proposed schedule that you had on that other slide makes sense to me.
14:20:26 I just was curious about the com. So thank you for going back to that.
14:20:28 Oh, absolutely!
14:20:32 So any comments about the campground fees, and that's where we're here is for your suggestions.
14:20:37 If something doesn't seem right.
14:20:40 I think steady incremental increases, makes a lot more sense, and people don't notice them.
14:20:46 I appreciate, as you point out, that you know, most of these fee increases are gonna hit.
14:20:49 Add a county residents that are contributing to the parks, and Rec.
14:20:54 Coffers. So I I think this all looks really reasonable.
14:20:58 Thank you. Okay, I'll move forward then. So next we have Memorial field fees, and you all know about Memorial Field. But it's an amazing place. It's open from April to November.
Really high quality.
14:21:13 Field. People absolutely love playing. There. We've worked hard on it with the new lights.
14:21:17 Grandstand improvements, and incredibly busy. A 191 reservations in 2022 it's basically booked to capacity of what we can maintain.
14:21:30 And so for so, for who uses it? This is a breakdown of who uses memorial field and when I put these numbers together I was actually surprised to see that it's kids that are
by far the highest users of the field.
14:21:43 I expected the schools to come out on top, but with our rec soccer leagues, kids are getting the most of benefit.
14:21:51 At 75 event days, followed by 18 plus pickup soccer, which is Wednesdays and Sundays.
14:21:58 Incredibly popular program with our mostly young adults, and then rivals.
14:22:04 It's home field for the rivals, and we also really site to have semi pro soccer.
14:22:11 The north Peninsula Football Club plays there on Saturdays.
14:22:16 So really cool experience of taking a semi pro men's soccer and softball, and East Jefferson Little League, and the East Jefferson Little League football games is per event.
14:22:33 The largest events that we have everyone's aunts, uncle, and grandparents, and the kid comes out for those things.
14:22:38 If you've never seen one it's really quite a sight to see Game day of Little League football.
14:22:43 And a couple of car shows. So this just breaks it down visually.
14:22:47 How important memorial field is for kids and for young adults.
14:22:54 So it looks like I'm doing. Hj. Carol, and then I'll get to the fees.
14:22:59 So also an incredible facility, as you all know, we take really good care of it.
14:23:07 High quality and durable. It's only one of 2 public fields in the county.
14:23:14 I forgot to mention that Jefferson County durable. It's only one of 2 public fields in the county.
14:23:17 I forgot to mention that Jefferson County has public athletic fields in the county.
14:23:19 It's home for county rack and Jefferson County Soccer Club.
14:23:23 We don't charge for practices at Shit Carol.
14:23:27 There's many practices we don't reserve them, and we don't have a fee for them a hundred 56 soccer reservation game for games and 26 softball reservations.
14:23:37 So here's the comparables for athletic fields it wasn't that easy to find a stadium like ours, but I found 2 civic field and West Seattle Stadium.
14:23:48 And the average of those is $480 per day, and then, where our fees have quite a range depending on the program.
14:23:57 So, but we are in the middle of that for the average, and then for Hj. Kara, which would be not stadium.
14:24:06 We're also right in the average for not stadium of comparables.
14:24:13 So this is a complicated looking chart. The reason it's complicated is so we can do a good job being equitable to the park users.
14:24:23 So for football we have a pretty high football.
14:24:27 See for Rivals, Football, and we're just gradually increasing that over time.
14:24:34 For a high school sports camp. That's already high enough.
14:24:36 It also has gradual increases for other school or adult games.
14:24:42 This is like rival soccer or North peninsula of semi soccer.
14:24:49 That's already high enough. So it just goes up gradually as well.
14:24:53 And the for Children's club sports games, and actually goes down.
14:24:58 That's for Jefferson County soccer and for rivals.
14:25:03 Little league football that actually goes down because we realize we're unintentionally exclusive.
14:25:10 Children's sports clubs from Memorial Field. So we felt the need to lower the fee there to make it accessible.
14:25:17 And we also modified the fee to make it a little smarter.
14:25:21 So, if you only have one game of a kid's sports game you don't need the fee for a whole you don't need the fee for a whole.
14:25:32 You don't need the feel for a whole. You don't need to feel for a whole day.
14:25:32 You can. Now, at $45, which is going to make the field a lot more accessible for children's sports practices also go way down the fee is reduced because people were not practicing
there, even though sometimes it is available just because the fee is too high, and
14:25:51 the lights also go down by half, because our led lights are at least half is efficient at least twice as a feature and we have a brand new fee for an education or fitness program,
such as a a Yoga class or a workout class to be held there and overall we're only
14:26:11 exploring around a thousand dollar increase. It's really hard to make very much money from athletic fields. So the increase in revenue for Memorial field is actually really
quite small.
14:26:22 Any?
14:26:22 So what? What I hear from you, Matt, is this is gonna make memorial filled accessible to a lot more potential groups.
14:26:30 Okay.
14:26:29 It will. Yeah, I do see it being used more for practices and games of kids, games.
14:26:37 We learned this when we went on talk to the people that are running these, the programs.
14:26:42 That's great!
14:26:45 And we went to the school about your Comps.
14:26:45 Any other. Yeah, that is a thing I mean, the football games are high, and that's because they're very maintenance intensive.
14:26:57 And to compensate for that, we didn't increase in very much over the years.
14:27:03 I think it looks good.
14:27:04 Thank you. Okay, just moving forward. A shake. Carroll, really quickly.
14:27:10 Here we also lowered the rate, kept the same.
14:27:16 Basically, everything is comes out the same. There's no net revenue increase for memorial field.
14:27:26 Things are either the same or just modestly, more.
14:27:31 One change is the club sports games are less same as it.
14:27:38 Memorial Field, Hj. Carol Club. Sports Game, Jefferson County, Soccer Club are less, and they now also have this brand new fee.
14:27:46 Of being able to pay by the game. Another thing that does is, it prevents them from having to schedule as many games as one day in one day, so they can spread it out over the
season and that helps our maintenance people and it lessens impact on the resource just an example of how
14:28:05 we can protect the resource with smartarter fees.
14:28:08 Hello!
14:28:09 Okay, cool. So moving forward just to talk about our shelter rentals, we have rotary pavilion Sam, and Shelter.
14:28:19 We have a lot of events. Space at Hq. Carol, and it's incredibly popular.
14:28:24 It's really, really an effective place to have. You can have a huge event they're up to 1,000 people.
14:28:29 I can easily handle 300 people. We have some other smaller shelters that are hardly used, but they do make a big impact on. When people want to use them, we'll rent them out.
14:28:41 So the demand for outdoor shelter space, I mean, like the rotary pavilion, shot up incredibly everyone all of a sudden wanted to have events outside during the pandemic, including
classes and fitness programs I mean like the Rotary pavilion shot up incredibly everyone all of a sudden wanted to have events outside during the
14:29:00 pandemic, including classes and fitness programs and family events, and so forth. So it's an incredible increase from our high of around 200 to A. H.
14:29:09 The most, the biggest number of rentals is in the rotary pavilion at around 300 followed by the salmon, with a couple at Indian Island, but a really huge number of paid events,
457 paid event rentals, in our parts. This is a lot of work and a
14:29:28 lot of people appreciating what we do out there. So this chart is also complicated.
14:29:33 But one of the biggest things it's here is we now have a rate for 4Â h, and array for 8Â h.
14:29:41 The reason is, we realize that people we're having to pay basically 2, 4Â h fees to get it for 8Â h.
14:29:49 And we realize it's really a diverse meaning inclusion issue, because a lot of big families and groups they want to be outside basically all day in a beautiful location gathered
around food and just hanging out so we saw a lot more people doing that and in order to help with that we created this
14:30:08 8Â h fee, which is actually less than if you're rented it for 2, 4Â h blocks.
14:30:16 So if these are divided by the number of people that use them, which is also unusual, this division really helps people.
14:30:24 Other places don't have this. So it's just a flat rate.
14:30:28 If you wanted it's X amount of money, even if you only have 25 people.
14:30:31 So that helps. And again, the bottom line here is really just a modest increase in revenue that you can see.
14:30:39 There any comments about this?
14:30:43 Nope. Looks good.
14:30:45 I can sure.
14:30:45 Okay. I'll keep alright. So direct.
14:30:52 Center, an amazing Jim, really busy place for birthday parties, full program of fitness classes and meetings and so forth, and other events.
14:31:04 Incredibly, there was 668 reservations at the Rec.
14:31:08 Center in 2022 I really don't know how Chris manages all that, but he does it on top of everything else.
14:31:17 The comparables for the Rec. Center are a meeting room, large and small, and the At, and also a Gym.
14:31:26 So the average for a meeting room was 27 and 52.
14:31:32 You'll notice that our fees for the Rec center are a lot lower than our comparables.
14:31:36 Part of that is just the quality of the space that we're renting.
14:31:39 So if you rent a media meeting room, you're getting a preschool room.
14:31:43 That's that's up as a pre school, and if you rent a large meeting room, your meeting room and getting the Rec center, which is setup as a Rec center, it's really not high quality
space.
14:31:53 We don't think people will pay more, and it's the same with the gym.
14:31:57 Our gym is a lot less because our Jim is a lot less it's not a great gym.
14:32:04 It's barely playable for basketball or other activities, and so we've just intentionally kept that fee low.
14:32:13 So hardly any change in the Rex Center rentals.
14:32:16 When we talk to people and the instructors that are doing these rentals, we realize that we can't oops any more money out of the Rec.
14:32:25 Center and we kept the fee increases just really modest. In order to make sure the Rec center is fully utilized.
14:32:33 Any other any comments about the Rec.
14:32:36 Nope!
14:32:38 Make, sense.
14:32:37 Okay. Alright blazing forward. So in summary, this is what we're talking about.
14:32:43 Just visually.
14:32:48 And the Table available Proposal revenue Wise.
14:32:54 And that's it.
14:32:59 Thanks so much, Matt. And now, of course, there is some action.
14:33:04 Are are we gonna go through? The process changes before we do the action?
14:33:09 What?
14:33:09 Or Hi, Marbara, do you wanna weigh in on this?
14:33:14 I can talk for just a minute about the process changes.
14:33:18 If you'd like, if now it's a good time.
14:33:21 I think so before we use them to make this motion.
14:33:26 It seems to reasonable.
14:33:27 Yeah, absolutely. So, as you probably already know, Jefferson County keeps its fees in something called the appendix Fee Schedule, that appears in the county code between Title
14 and Title 15.
14:33:44 It took me a while to find that when I first came here but there was a system like that before, but it is the home for all the policy, whether it's general County fee policy
or specific to a department fee policy for for the for all departments in the county personally, I don't believe
14:34:11 that's a good way to present our fee legislation just because it is really hard for members of the public to fly.
14:34:19 And you know also your lawyers to find where all this stuff is laid out in the code, and it's you.
14:34:27 Look at some of the it's quite dated and hasn't been updated very much in recent years.
14:34:34 I think most people would look toward the enabling code of a department to see.
14:34:42 You know what the information is about fees, for example, you know there would be some reference ideally, and title 18 to development fees, and where you find them.
14:34:53 That sort of thing. So the system that we're advocating for here is to place all over the policy legislation into one place for the county in the revenue and finance title,
which is, you know, seems like an appropriate place.
14:35:16 And then from there individual departments would still have their own fee.
14:35:25 Codes, and, for example, with Parks and R, we're putting them in a what is it?
14:35:32 Title 12 Matt. That we, you know, so that people can find it, and people can see.
14:35:39 Okay. Here's how we make fees. And here's what we can consider.
14:35:45 And all these sorts of things. So that's one piece of it.
14:35:48 The second piece is, I've gotten repeated input from various departments.
14:35:54 Public works is probably, you know, the largest in that regard with Bcd.
14:36:02 So also, made a lot of comments about how it's very difficult to update their fee schedules under our present schedule or present system, because, you know, the ordinance path
and takes a long time.
14:36:19 But takes a lot of staff input to do. And the sad thing about it is that because of that, then the fees don't get updated regularly.
14:36:30 I was looking through this morning just to see what the update dates were, and, for example, planning last amended building permit fees, and 2019.
14:36:43 The solid wastees. I know you had a recent presentation on that, but they were last updated in 2013, right of way use permits 2012 parts, 2014.
14:36:59 I mean it. You could see that people are just not, or departments aren't doing this work because it's kind of the last thing that falls on them, and it's just too much so.
14:37:09 Do we even license dogs and cats anymore? Doesn't the Humane Society do that?
14:37:14 I saw that in that list, too.
14:37:16 Yeah, yeah. And the the sad thing about this, too, is that we have these fees in the code.
14:37:25 But because we increase them automatically through the Cpi every year the fees that you see in the code aren't accurate.
14:37:36 So they're not really doing a whole lot of good being in the code.
14:37:41 At this point.
14:37:42 At least no one can find them right.
14:37:44 Yeah, that's true. That's true. So what?
14:37:48 Can you tell me a little bit more about how they came and what what it means that they are between title 14 and 15 that doesn't make any sense to me.
14:37:57 Is it like seventh and a half floor, or something? I I don't get it.
14:38:00 Yeah. Exactly. Like that title 14 is the reserve title.
14:38:05 So it doesn't even exist. And then title 15, of course, is building code.
14:38:11 But there's there's really no rhyme or reason for it.
14:38:14 It. Just it's how it appears in code. So, or at least I don't know what the reason for that was.
14:38:23 Maybe there was one at some point in time. So anyway, so we've got this new title or new chapter 3.80.
14:38:33 In title 3, and basically it. It mirrors all of the language that was in it, that is presently in the appendix fee schedule plus.
14:38:45 It adds a little bit more to it.
14:38:50 So in the case schedule, the Cpi increases.
14:38:58 Have a cap of 5%, and that is maintained in this new ch.
14:39:03 It's pretty much exactly the same. I think the one thing that is different is the periodic Fee Review section and I don't know if he had a chance to read that.
14:39:15 But basically what it is, is it? And this exists in the appendix fee schedule.
14:39:22 It says that departments should review their their fees every 3 years, and consider changes, and do some sort of study similar to what Matt has done to try it out.
14:39:36 Make sure the fees are in line with the services, etc., and.
14:39:42 Here, hold on 1Â s bar. I see Kate's got her hand up.
14:39:45 I'm wondering if you have a question about what we're talking about now.
14:39:48 No sorry. I was just wanting to be brought over before.
14:39:50 Okay, welcome back. Alright! Sorry to interrupt you, Barbara.
14:39:54 Anyway. So we've added a few criteria.
14:39:58 I could pull it up. If you want to see them, I can share my screen.
14:40:02 Yes, please do, I think, for the public as well. You got, if you can go.
14:40:09 And I saw that, like the retainers mentioned for large projects, I wasn't clear.
14:40:13 If that was, every different department can talk about large projects that I've heard from Dcd.
14:40:18 But not others.
14:40:20 Yeah, I'll get to that in a second.
14:40:22 Okay.
14:40:22 Let's see, this should be it.
14:40:32 Okay. Let's see.
14:40:43 Alright! Can you see it?
14:40:45 We can. Yes.
14:40:46 Yup!
14:40:47 Okay, so I'll go back quickly. This is the periodic, the review.
14:40:55 We point 80 window 40, and this is this first section is the same every 3 years, but now frequently more quickly than once a year.
14:41:07 Each department or office is supposed to review their fees schedule, and then the second section.
14:41:15 These are the same 5 factors that departments are supposed to consider in doing their fee review.
14:41:27 And then we added a few more down here, and this is sort of more in keeping with what other jurisdictions do have in their codes about creating these schedules and and considerations
that need to could be looked at as well so it's kind of
14:41:53 transcendental factors. But I think all of these things are very important in terms of considering.
14:42:00 Other how to schedule your fees.
14:42:06 So so that's 3.3 point 804.
14:42:12 Oh, 40! And then these 2 sections are new coordination of feed charges among departments in large project, review.
14:42:23 This actually, this whole idea of doing fees in this manner originated when Dcd.
14:42:32 Last year was going to amend their fee schedule.
14:42:36 That project was put off because they determined they needed to do a Fe study before they embarked on a new fee schedule.
14:42:45 So, but we had already developed these sections, and principally the large project Review, originated because of the Master Plan resort, and some of the needs that that applicant
has in terms of, you know, trying to do a volume of permitting and keeping up with fees and the concern that you
14:43:13 know, we need to make sure that we have the money in hand, as the project is unfolding, and so this would provide the authority to give to allow the director to require a retainer,
and this is actually something that is common in other languages, so we would get a
14:43:40 retainer, and you know we we would be able to then make sure that the fees being paid are keep up with our the project, so I think that's really important for the Master Plan
Resort Project in particular.
14:44:00 But there could potentially be other projects where it might be needed.
14:44:10 I don't think there's anything else. You know, I basically what this does is.
14:44:16 Allow the Department to bring fees to the board through a resolution rather than through ordinance, and I think we've tried to offset any issues with public access to the fees
by having requirements info that would allow or would require actually departments.
14:44:39 And offices of the county to post all of their fee schedules on their websites, have them available at the public counter, and you know, obviously mail them to anyone.
14:44:57 Ask for them. So.
14:44:58 That sounds critical, and I really appreciate that. Yeah, publishing all the different departmental fee schedules seems, yeah.
14:45:06 Step, one. And I really appreciate this. And just for any concerns about transparency and public access, you know, fee schedules will still come even as a resolution in front
of the board we just don't have to have a hearing about it.
14:45:22 Yeah.
14:45:19 So it's it saves us step of noting, noticing, and the extra work that goes into that process without removing the option for the public to to weigh in on those fee fee adjustments
that are going on correct.
14:45:32 That's right. Yeah.
14:45:36 Great. Well, this makes a lot of sense to me. I don't know Kate or Heidi any questions or comments.
14:45:44 It makes a lot of sense to me, and my brain started going down the rabbit hole.
14:45:48 But I won't. I pulled it back from the rabbit hole, and I appreciate the amount of effort this will take in the future to keep this stuff all updated and posted appropriately.
14:46:01 But think that, as Greg said, that level of transparency is something I would really relish.
14:46:09 Is there any other code stored between titles that we should know about?
14:46:15 Okay.
14:46:15 That I've found yet, but I can't make any promises on that.
14:46:19 Let us know.
14:46:21 Kate.
14:46:23 Yeah, yeah, I have a question comments. I generally support the direction.
14:46:30 This is headed, but I don't know if it's just because I'm the one who's been around the longest now, or what?
14:46:35 But I do worry about the loss of transparency.
14:46:39 We've been very consistent that speed changes are done by ordinance, and so, having a little bit of a hard time letting go of that because of that kind of you know, higher level
of scrutiny.
14:46:52 That's something that affects our residence, you know. Warrants.
14:46:59 So I'm wondering if, like what I would hate to see is that we start seeing the changes put on incentives agenda.
14:47:08 I wonder if we could call out the these items should be regular agenda items, or there's some way that they don't get buried, and we lose that transparency.
14:47:19 Yeah, Barbara, what? What do you think about that?
14:47:22 I think that's a good point about I don't know what.
14:47:25 Yeah, absolutely. I think that could be done just by administer of effort on the Board's part.
14:47:36 Your clerks could always, you know, have the the rule that they always put those on the regular agenda versus consent agenda.
14:47:45 Without just making our? How are we process them rather than putting it into the policy itself?
14:47:53 And I hear your concern, Kate. I'm not sure how many people are looking through our legal notice, but it is, you know, less transparent, I guess.
14:48:03 De facto this way, but it's also that kind of regulatory ref I think that we're we're trying to make the government, you know, as efficient as possible.
14:48:11 So does that to just changing our, or, I guess, making sure that it doesn't sneak on to consent.
14:48:21 Agenda. Allay your concerns about the decrease in transparency for fee adjustments.
14:48:30 It takes some discipline, and may be us, you know, calling it out of consent to occasionally.
14:48:40 Yeah.
14:48:41 But yeah, I think so. I just wanna be sure that it is.
14:48:45 Obvious to the public when these are coming, and you know, even by the time it's on our agenda I feel too late.
14:48:54 That is the benefit of hearing, for an ordinance is the first.
14:48:57 Yeah.
14:48:58 Still a couple of weeks. So do some research, and that's true of me, too.
14:49:02 Not just any any other resident. But by the time it makes the agenda that I'm like oh, I don't want a bug staff with, you know, asking for changes.
14:49:12 And so, you know I would hope that by the time it comes to us there has been the study, some public outreach.
14:49:20 I will have gone through the process already.
14:49:24 Could I point out, though, that previously these fee increases were automatic and received no public scrutiny, and by changing to the process that's being recommended here,
we're on consent or on the regular agenda, we'll highlight these fee changes.
14:49:42 More consistently than they've been highlighted in the past.
14:49:47 Well, I don't know that anyone's taken advantage of that 4% elevator.
14:49:53 I that was the first time I saw it. Was that we're doing the agenda for today.
14:49:57 So I.
14:49:56 Oh, no, yeah, they've been increased. Maybe not, Parks, but I do believe that other departments have taken advantage of the automatic escalation.
14:50:07 Yeah, yeah, certainly. Not. All.
14:50:13 And if we did this to public health as well to the Board of Health, they would change their process, and not to hearings it. Public health as well.
14:50:27 For the portal. Okay? And then, of course, many of like the parks and rain, you know, we've seen these fees before.
14:50:33 At least the Advisory Board has, so, you know, maintaining robust advisory boards that also have an opportunity to take a look.
14:50:43 So you know. Dcd, I think, was to their fees.
14:50:45 Go to the planning committee first. Is that right? Do they have a hearing?
14:50:48 Or would that stop? I mean, how would this impact downstream like, would they not have to have a hearing anymore for the fee for planning commission?
14:50:57 Consideration. If he increases.
14:50:59 Technically, I don't think these would be happy to the planning commission.
14:51:03 They might, as a matter of courtesy, you know, bring them there as a discussion item, but I don't think it has to go through the planning commission process because it's not
a land use regulation of any kind.
14:51:19 So it's procedural.
14:51:23 Yeah. Go ahead. Kate.
14:51:27 Can I get some clarification on the Board of Health's question?
14:51:30 Because there are certain authorities that lie within that board that be a CC.
14:51:38 Does not supersede so.
14:51:43 I'm just thinking like, for example, in the new bylaws for the Board of Health.
14:51:48 Yeah, we are only voting members are the elected city and county representatives.
14:51:53 So I mean certain that this is consistent with the Board of Patrol, and the Compliance.
14:52:07 I think that's question for you, Barbara.
14:52:09 Okay. Well, you know, I really would need to do some more research on that.
14:52:15 I don't know if Philip's out there.
14:52:17 He's probably listening. He might have a quick answer, but I think I would have to look at the Board of Health, enabling legislation and whatnot to give you a.
14:52:34 Okay, and welcome, Mister Huntsucker. If you do have something to add, please raise your hand.
14:52:40 You can probably stop sharing your screen, Barbara, so we can see each other.
14:52:44 Yeah, because some of the Board of Health authority is in statute. So just something we wanna think about before we make any proclamations about how this affects.
14:52:54 I see Phillips coming over.
14:52:58 Philip.
14:52:58 Sorry to I don't have a camera today, so but can you hear me?
14:53:01 No problem. We can hear you.
14:53:04 Yeah, we'll take a little bit of figuring to see how this would work with the Board of Health.
14:53:10 But but I think you have concurrent jurisdiction with the Board of Health on stuff like this.
14:53:15 So that's just my initial reaction. And maybe the Board of Health wants to weigh in.
14:53:22 You could draft the legislation so that it's so that it's, you know, joint legislation with the Bocc and the Board of Help, like we have on some other things.
14:53:34 And typically, you know, so they can weigh in on it.
14:53:38 But it's such a more it's a more simple process and a more transparent process.
14:53:44 I can't imagine why the Board of Health wouldn't be in favor of it, either.
14:53:50 I mean because you're putting it out there.
14:53:53 As Mark said, you know, now we have these increases every year.
14:53:59 Escalator increases that really aren't public. They just happen.
14:54:03 And many departments, and they're paying the department. Pay attention to that.
14:54:10 I would say the bigger departments for sure, because part of their budget and to me this ought to be part of the budgeting process, right?
14:54:16 You know. So you know what the fees are, gonna be, and you can figure out what the process is, and you could have it, for instance, so that departments proposed changes that
during the budgeting process every year.
14:54:31 And it can be, you know, part of that process which lots of people pay attention to.
14:54:35 So. No, those are my 2 cents on it and back to the question about you know, if you wanna make sure that everybody knows these changes are coming, you can have require a hearing.
14:54:53 You do that with some other resolutions, so you you could do that I'm trying to think off hand of the things that resolutions that require a hearing.
14:55:07 I think I think changes to the budget, but can be made by resolution.
14:55:14 Hmm!
14:55:13 But a hearing is required, so so you could handle it that way.
14:55:18 You know, kinda highlight, it would still be much simpler then the way we do it now, and much more transparent, because, as Barbara said, I think I was well, I mean she had
trouble finding it, too, and I had took me maybe I don't know 6 months, or a year to figure out where
14:55:36 all this stuff? Was it it doesn't make any sense that it's in the code, the way it is, or the process that we do it.
14:55:43 And I remember thinking the first time that we added fees to the appendix on a ordinance that I worked work on is this is really weird.
14:55:51 And and then, when Barbara got here, we talked about it, and she's like it's not just weird, for here it's weird, for everywhere.
14:55:59 So I guess you know we we could do some more new link and maybe talk to the Board of Health about this, or have a presentation where we aired out to the Board of Health.
14:56:12 But it's so much better and much more simpler and transparent.
14:56:17 I think it's a really good idea that we, you know, we should adopt.
14:56:21 But, Philip, I get that. It's simpler, and that's great and enough for me.
14:56:25 Honestly, and we're transparent in that. We've unhitting the code of fees.
14:56:31 Alright!
14:56:31 But in this, as in our current, you can still build an escalator clauses.
14:56:37 I mean, we're looking at a parks and rec fee fee assessment that has a five-year estalators laying on front of us.
14:56:42 So we're not gonna unless something else changes. See them for 5 years.
14:56:45 But this one resolution will continue, that.
14:56:48 But if you considered it as a part of the budgeting process, you would know where things are in in that.
14:56:54 Yeah, where they are, what they've gone up to.
14:56:57 So it just put the fees more explicitly into the budget and process. Okay.
14:57:00 Yes, I I would think that would be useful to do it that way.
14:57:05 Gotcha!
14:57:05 And then there would be. There would be a trigger for departments to be thinking about.
14:57:08 It right? You thinking about it is what is your, you know, cause they should be thinking about.
14:57:14 These fees as a part of their budget. In my view.
14:57:18 So while you guys have been all I've been listening to this wonderful conversation, but I've been looking through some of the attachments in the agenda item, and my question
is, you know, this this is very draft right?
14:57:35 This all these schedules in the agenda item, because it looks like there are, you know, to 18 and 2019 fees included like for Dcd.
14:57:48 Are those the current fees? Are those?
14:57:51 Yeah, so let me explain that. So to amend the appendix fee schedule, we had them to strike out the stuff that we were.
14:58:02 I'm ending like the beginning preamble that talks generally about fees is struck out.
14:58:11 And that's because it's being replaced by 3.8.
14:58:13 But you have a bunch of departments to have these schedules that haven't.
14:58:18 You know they haven't gone through this process of incorporating stuff into their enabling codes about their fees.
14:58:28 And making the transition. And there were no amendments to any of those fees.
14:58:36 So for the what we're gonna need to do over this, the period of this year is to have each of these departments and offices come in and redo their fees in this manner in the
way that parts is doing it.
14:59:08 So, for example, in the example that I, just of department of community developments, like, I was just looking at page 35 and page 43, they're 2018 and 2019 fees.
14:58:54 So we have to leave the, you know, portions of the appendix schedule in place, so that all the other departments continue to be able to charge your fees right now until they're
ready to make the right.
14:59:22 So those fees have not gotten not gone up, not gone up since 2019, so they have not been using that escalator for the last 4 or 5 years.
14:59:32 No, based on what you see in the code. The numbers don't change in the code.
14:59:42 Right.
14:59:39 Unless the Board of County Commissioners changes the numbers. So the automatic escalators don't show in the code.
14:59:49 Even though they've been applied to the actual feature charged by the Department.
14:59:58 It! There!
14:59:58 Which is invisible essentially, anyway. So.
15:00:01 They're definitely charging more than what's in the appendix.
15:00:05 Dcd.
15:00:04 Okay, okay, I just wanted to noodle into that level of detail.
14:59:58 Suppose.
15:00:09 Sorry if I took a.
15:00:10 Don't. We need to have a hearing to adopt this ordinance in front of us, so are we just talking about it today?
15:00:16 And can we?
15:00:16 Yeah, today is just a workshop to get input because the first time you guys have seen this officially, I really wanted to make sure there was time, at least in the parks.
15:00:23 And Rec for you to give input.
15:00:25 So we're not, are you? Nope, I know we adopt the ordinance that Barbara is presented, or something like it.
15:00:32 We can't just approve the fees by resolution.
15:00:36 Right, yeah.
15:00:37 Anything today.
15:00:38 Now there's nothing, as far as I know, the action-wise for today, what the plan is to have a public hearing on June twelfth meeting.
15:00:47 I'll have a consent, agenda item, to allowing me to advertise for the public hearing on the 20Â s and the thirty-first, and then the hearing for this ordinance would be on June
twelfth.
15:01:00 What I'm sorry the ordinance for changing the way we adjust fees or the ordinance for the parks and rec fees.
15:01:07 Both.
15:01:08 Oh!
15:01:09 So we're going to do it. The parks and rect fees.
15:01:12 The old, old school way, this time, still.
15:01:14 Well, the actually the parks and rec fees will be the first one to be done by resolution.
15:01:20 And why are we making a hearing for it?
15:01:20 So there's a resolution. Well, the hearing is for the ordinance that enables fees to be done by resolution.
15:01:31 Yup!
15:01:30 So Barb and I partnered today to make this more efficient in terms of how we go through the process.
15:01:40 So the.
15:01:40 So so we'll have to get updated schedules from all the departments as well.
15:01:49 Oh!
15:01:47 By June twelfth. Is that right that can come later right?
15:01:52 Yeah, that's what I thought.
15:01:53 Well!
15:01:50 No, it can come later. And you what what you're doing is you're enabling.
15:01:56 If you pass the ordinance, you'll be enabling all the departments to do this by resolution, like public like Parks, is doing, and their resolution.
15:02:07 Got it?
15:02:08 So we're only having one hearing for the ordinance, changing fee adjustments to buy resolution. Basically.
15:02:17 Well, you're gonna have to end up amending that attendance fee schedule until it's all gone.
15:02:26 So department by department. Hopefully, we can amend. We can strike out those fee schedules as they come in and adopt their new be scheduled by resolution that makes sense.
15:02:41 That makes sense to me.
15:02:41 That kind of kind of make sense, but, like Dcd.
15:02:46 Has a different fee schedule published on their website than is in this appendix.
15:02:49 Should we just repeal this appendix while we straighten this out?
15:02:51 I mean right now, there's a internal inconsistency.
15:02:55 It seems like.
15:02:55 Well, it's because it's not reflecting the Cpi increases.
15:03:01 But no, because you know as crippled as it is, the appendix fee schedule gives Bcd.
15:03:11 The enabling authority to charge fees and so you wouldn't want to take that away from that.
15:03:15 So!
15:03:16 Okay, I think I get it. So June twelfth, we should have a hearing, or perhaps 2.
15:03:22 Hearings, I guess and address both of these issues that we've discussed today.
15:03:27 Yes.
15:03:28 Okay.
15:03:29 Yeah, and I'll send that on consent. Agenda.
15:03:34 For the next meeting.
15:03:34 Sounds good.
15:03:34 Nice work, nice work, Barbara can't wait to find.
15:03:38 See what else you find in the couch cushions.
15:03:43 Feels like being John Malkovich.
15:03:42 Yeah.
15:03:47 Thank you.
15:03:48 Alright great any last questions or comments. Kate.
15:03:53 Nope, thank you.
15:03:54 Okay, great. Well, thank you very much and clear why, these 2 kind of disparate topics were combined today and.
15:04:08 Oh, you froze! He froze!
15:04:12 Oops!
15:04:12 Frozen Good frozen Commissioner.
15:04:17 Oh, and then he's gone all together.
15:04:26 Nice job, Barbara. Can you guys demo me, please?
15:04:31 She's trying. Yup!
15:04:34 I'm back.
15:04:37 Oh, you froze again!
15:04:43 Commissioner, Brothers, and can't work from home anymore.
15:04:46 Oh, he's asking to be promoted again.
15:04:52 Are you demoting Philip?
15:04:55 I muted the perspective over to the attendee list.
15:05:01 Is it?
15:05:01 You guys just playing with me, or what?
15:05:07 I'm here.
15:05:03 He's already over there. Mark what it's been gone for a while.
15:05:11 I'm back.
15:05:14 No!
15:05:12 No, we're not talking about you. We're talking about Philip, not on my screen.
15:05:17 Okay. You can't see me, but you might be able to hear me.
15:05:21 Oh, weird!
15:05:22 I can hear you. Philip can see your name, too.
15:05:26 It's because I don't have a camera today.
15:05:29 He's a panelist.
15:05:30 But I am talking.
15:05:32 Well, it's good to have you here.
15:05:35 It's good to be here.
15:05:39 All right. Well, I believe we are at the end of our scheduled agenda.
15:05:34 Hi!
15:05:45 Anything else that folks would like to chat about.
15:05:49 I can just give you the roadie update.
15:05:51 Yes, so maybe I did. You were at the Wasac meeting, too. Right?
15:05:55 A little debrief, for that would be interesting.
15:05:57 That was complex.
15:06:02 Yeah, you know it. It feels like I didn't. It feels like they're I wanna get their Powerpoint presentation.
15:06:11 And really, spend more time with each slide. It was going so fast.
15:06:14 Feel like a lot of changes were made like one thing. You know, they were talking about.
15:06:20 But then they just like breeze through it.
15:06:23 I don't really understand what's now possible within a laminar that wasn't before that.
15:06:30 And that question was came up really quickly for me. Did you get?
15:06:32 Did? Were you able to catch what?
15:06:34 No, I mean I I was making a cake at the same time, so I would love to look through the I was not following along with the slides, but it's you know, it's good to find moments
of agreement with our other rural partner
15:06:48 Uhhuh. Yup.
15:06:49 counties. Yeah, I feel a lot a lot of sympathy with the folks talking about how the new you know, energy code and everything is gonna make it so much more challenging to build.
15:06:58 And we need incentives well, at the same time disagreeing with many of the statements from some of our peers that you know we have no role in housing, but.
15:07:09 Yeah, interesting. I don't know. It's just the beginning, I guess. Right?
15:07:16 I don't. I was hoping you had more insight into what they were really.
15:07:25 Yeah.
15:07:30 Okay.
15:07:19 Well, I'm not the housing. I'm not really the housing, mister, and I wasn't tracking housing legislation through the, but looks like, does that Kate, with her hand up? Kate's
got her hand up to be brought over probably.
15:07:32 Yeah, just yeah. I don't know if I'm gonna attend to your panelist, or what.
15:07:39 But can you give a little context for the West Side meeting for those of us who weren't there?
15:07:43 Sure, Lieutenant Governor Denny Heck gave a presentation, basically talking about how housing was, you know what they they wanted to work on all of the all the the continuum
of housing though there's gonna be a lot of progress made with homeless
15:08:01 housing and shelter and transitional housing, funding.
15:08:04 There is money coming in. They're trying to make it.
15:08:07 Easier to build in landmords and other areas, talking about workforce housing as well.
15:08:13 Though the changes that were made that both Heidi and I, I think, confess that we didn't really at Rock.
15:08:20 I was only giving a kind of partial attention, like, there's work being done on the workforce housing and market rate.
15:08:28 Housing Incentives. But then all the comments that I heard from Peer Commissioners were basically well, it's only cost more to build.
15:08:37 So what? How is that consistent? I don't know how I do, Heidi.
15:08:41 Yeah. And there were questions about, like, you know, interest rates, you know.
15:08:45 There was a side, fairly significant conversation about, you know, the effect of interest rates on accessibility to mortgages.
15:08:56 And you know, are there programs to help people with increased interest rates because industries are going up so fast.
15:09:06 So you know, it was. It was a wide range, ranging conversation wasn't focused on anyone.
15:09:13 Part of the housing continuum, but it it was the first of what I think is, gonna be 7.
15:09:19 Okay.
15:09:18 Wasac conversations about how so, maybe at the future ones.
15:09:22 Maybe we'll dive into myriad issues in more detail.
15:09:27 With the other person with Kenny Hack.
15:09:29 That was the featured speaker was, oh, I forget what her name was, but she liked the Gma specialist at commerce, and so there were some, and I kinda didn't hear a lot of her
presentation, but she talks more about some of the actual changes that happen.
15:09:46 Oh, it was just that Lambert flexibility that she was talking about, that I couldn't understand what the actual changes were, but I think I just need to get the Powerpoint cause
they were going quickly.
15:09:45 I just I didn't process that. Yeah, well, we'll get that and bring it back next week.
15:10:03 I guess I mean they were talking a lot about, you know, infill and landmords and things like that as being something they wanted to support at commerce.
15:10:14 So you know the Brand and Lambert, of course, being that one with the sewer we want it to try to connect is kind of top of mind for me right now, just as opportunities.
15:10:28 But I guess we'll bring it back more next time.
15:10:33 Alright rody, plans.
15:10:36 Oh, just saying that I did get the thumbs up from Rita and Sheriff Nle and Rita sounded kind of excited.
15:10:44 She said, that sounds fun, and so I sent it out, sent out this opportunity to all the department heads and other electeds, and so far we've got about 8 people interested in
riding along with us.
15:11:00 I did get the the red bolt. And so I'm just waiting to hear back from Rita on logistics. And then I'll send an email out to everybody who's expressed interest.
15:11:11 Sounds good. I'll build up a serpentine weaving pattern that we can.
15:11:16 A safe one.
15:11:16 We can use. Yeah, a safe one, a slow one. Right?
15:11:20 No, I know I'm.
15:11:20 I mean, we're not going fast. I'll check the blue bolt as well.
15:11:24 Yeah, I already had. Julie set it aside for us.
15:11:27 Great.
15:11:29 Alright. Well, yeah. Show up. Really it 1030 or so. Right?
15:11:33 We'll start a gathering. It's an 110'clock.
15:11:36 Break right.
15:11:36 It's 10'clock parade, so I think Noonish 1130, or 12.
15:11:41 But I'm gonna wait till I hear back from Rita, and I'll send an email out, yeah.
15:11:43 Okay, send out the phone. And yeah, so lots of folks from our county family wanted to join.
15:11:51 So the more the merit. There's no upper limit.
15:11:51 Yeah, bye, I remember the last time I asked in, someone said, Well, this is not.
15:11:58 This is, people start their workday, and I'm like, Well, what if they want to? What if it sounds fun?
15:12:01 And so I this time people are. That's sounds fun.
15:12:04 So yeah, it'll be good.
15:12:05 And really it's the best way to see a parade.
15:12:08 So everyone should join us.
15:12:09 Yeah.
15:12:12 Okay, well, we are, you know, far flung today. So maybe we don't just riff on things.
15:12:20 But any other topics that we should address while we're together.
15:12:25 Anything over here? Radials that you have. Nope, mark anything good.
15:12:30 No, it's it's lonely up here on the dais without you all. So.
15:12:37 Okay.
15:12:34 Yeah. Sorry to leave you. Thanks for holding down the fort. Thanks, Adial, for you know, filling in with the plum for Carolyn.
15:12:43 Yeah, yeah.
15:12:45 Get her a camera.
15:12:47 Yup, how's everything going in Seattle? Kate?
15:12:51 Any, give us a thumbs up.
15:12:53 Yeah, the 2 and a half hour. Cancel it with a doctor today.
15:12:58 So let's my new reality.
15:13:01 Wow!
15:13:02 Yeah.
15:13:05 Good luck, give her best.
15:13:03 Okay, well, save travels.
15:13:08 Thank you. I'm just getting on the fast ferry right now, and I'll take careful some chance at home.
15:13:12 Awesome.
15:13:14 Love it.
15:13:12 Alright fabulous. Okay, well, we'll let that will let Kate go, and if there's nothing else, say goodbye to everyone, for today, I'll see in the office tomorrow, and this 5 15
meeting of the Bocc is adjourned.
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