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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPC Transcript 2023-06-0717:41:45 Are able to. 17:41:52 Great job that was great. Sorry about that. No, that was the best thing that we've ever seen. 17:42:09 And Mike is here. Yeah. So he was in the correct meeting. 17:42:09 So Mike. 17:42:13 Yes, we can proceed. Then. Okay, great. Josh, Peter's director. 17:42:19 I was going through some staff updates try to be real free for about this, because we have special case guests here, and I believe that most of the folks that you're paying attention wanting to hear about surely message for an update so real briefly as you mentioned Arlene allen and give up your position on the planning commission so we'll 17:42:36 be advertising soon. Wednesday's leader is what the notice here. 17:42:42 So I think that's next Wednesday's leader if not today, Dab has for her position. 17:42:47 Kevin Boker has been appointed or reappointed by the board for a 4 year term as June fifth gradually, just to 2 interviews are being scheduled this week we have 2 candidates for those slots in terms of this the stipend still did have an Update. 17:43:01 But I think I think it's best that I'm gonna talk to Joel tomorrow about sort of really typing out this update, because it's really specific to the planning commission. 17:43:07 There's not so much public business, I would say, in terms of stipending the forensics into what happened with that. 17:43:14 Suffice to say that in the change over from our administrative services with Jodie and Morgan meeting, there was I think, a delay in a couple of the vouchers which we've corrected, and it's on its way believe that that wraps up that 17:43:33 wraps up my reporting list? Are any questions. 17:43:37 I was pretty shocked to get Marilyn show Altars letter, saying that the director that you were the director, so we didn't get any notification that I saw as the planning commission and that's the second time we lost our linkedin didn't get notified. 17:43:56 And then we got an email that said we should know, and I don't know what place might ear is to be and should get the gossip. 17:44:04 But I don't know that you're the director. 17:44:07 So today, so. 17:44:13 Well, could you explain yeah, absolutely. And I apologize for that. 17:44:20 You know, memory is a funny thing. I thought we talked about this last time. 17:44:23 I thought I gave over some staff updates. If there were changes coming along the way, the other county actually released a press release on May 20. 17:44:30 Fourth did it get? That was expected to be published by both the penisula Daily News and the Leader. 17:44:36 Neither publication took us up on that I just got back from, and I did engage with our communication specialists around that, and she has reached out to those papers again. 17:44:46 I expect there to be, perhaps some mention of it in the paper, so apologize for that. 17:44:51 Apologies for that. So let me let let me take a step back actually, and talk about. 17:44:57 All the changes that have happened, so as of June first, we have a new building, official fire. 17:45:04 Marshall, and that is still to share. That's an internal promotion for operating as a plans. 17:45:10 Examiner, too, as we're into that responsible, that responsibility, and that is an except decision. 17:45:16 So it's part of the management as of June first. 17:45:19 Sorry. June fifth. Just a couple of days ago, Chelsea Provenel started as our administrative services manager, also part of the management team, essentially replacing the functions of Jody Adams, although slightly different, job job description so that's kind of ease a lot 17:45:39 of pressure that was on Brent. Envy to try to do a lot of the administrative functions behind the scenes that had previously been taken care of by Jodie and Morgan. 17:45:48 So that happens, Greg Ballard, who happens to have just entered and he's sitting right there. 17:45:56 Greg used to work for Jefferson County a long time ago, has worked for other Germany in Washington State and California 22 years. 17:46:05 Okay. Sorry. Express. What's that? 33 33. Sorry. 17:46:11 33 years of planning experience. 30 in Washington State has agreed to. 17:46:16 Leave Column County and come, join our team. He will be the development Code Administrator. 17:46:22 Starting on June 20 s. So that is a job that I had been holding as a deputy director at previously. 17:46:29 So Greg will be in that seat making those kinds of permanent level decisions super responsible. 17:46:35 Official, and so forth. Branch. Thanks. Matt Brand, as of June first is our chief strategy officer, at least until the end of the year, and so he will be working on specific projects of about a half a dozen important things that need to be accomplished and need 17:46:57 dedicated attention towards, and each of one of those will be assigned actually a county commissioner as liaison, to help move those projects forward. 17:47:04 One of the first things he's going to do is focus on the community assistance, visit that is scheduled from the Department of Ecology to take a look at our flood. 17:47:14 Plain protection measures. And it's basically a checkup that they do for local governments around the State. 17:47:18 So we need a lot of preparation for that to make sure that we succeed. 17:47:21 So that's just one example of what Brett will be doing. So. 17:47:24 Yes, I've moved into that director position as in June first, apologies for not making that clear. 17:47:28 And that's the story. I will soon as I get back to the office tomorrow morning I will send a range for Auburn, and actually still with us as a planning commission for our to send out the press. 17:47:41 Release that did not get any press. And we'll have an open house. 17:47:48 This is another important part this was the part that I'm a little disappointed, of course, that besides just not getting any us that we had scheduled an open house for the Friday afternoon believe it's a 60 at 3 P. 17:48:00 M to open up our lobby and to have the new leadership team. 17:48:05 The new 4 managers be available there to talk with any members of the public our constituencies, our clients. 17:48:12 Etcetera, staff kind of a reception. Open house events. So we'll send out information on that as well. 17:48:19 One more higher that I need to announce is that Nicky Akens is leaving Lane County, Oregon, to join us as our Co-OP clients officer starting to like third. 17:48:31 I request that when press releases go out to the public, that we, may also be sent to the planning commission. 17:48:38 That's a. 17:48:41 Just always. 17:48:45 And I'd like to also just acknowledge and thank you for all of the work in your capacity for me. 17:48:52 It was, I think, one reason why we didn't get notified kind of things were changing the last you mentioned. 17:48:57 There was a lot of things up in the air, and people leaving others all that, and we didn't cancel a meeting or 2. 17:49:05 And so things happen which I'm very happy with the way you have addressed the changes in shifting. 17:49:11 It sounds like people are being like most talented resources for the county. 17:49:18 You know the Board County Commissioner sort of, you know, been very helpful from the building industry side of things, and I imagine building industry, real estate, invite. 17:49:31 You know not open house. You get word out so that I mean, that sounds like great opportunity for people to get introduced to new people who are coming on staff, as you know, we're always in and out. 17:49:43 That office, have that chance to meet them. 17:49:48 I did communicate with the director of the Jefferson County Homeland Association about that event, and again, it's an unfortunate consequence. A couple of things. 17:49:58 The timing of the fact that I hadn't tried plan months ago. 17:50:03 And I needed to go to, and so I lost a week there, and when I got back and I looked at a surprise, and not seeing mention of it so immediately, and besides, catch it on. 17:50:13 Other things have to connect with our communication specialist to make sure that work gets up I'm a picturing something on the website, something else. 17:50:18 At the interface page you know, to help spread that word and certainly ask for your assistance. 17:50:24 I'm gonna send that statement back again. And I apologize. 17:50:28 Since dropping that ball. I think I use this benefit for before you know, sometimes when a juggler like when when when you're joining, and it's one thing to drop one ball, and sometimes you know you've seen juggler stup before, it be the best of them like 17:50:39 Dona, for example, all of a sudden all the pants falls to the ground, and I feel a little bit like that. 17:50:44 And I. It's not a position I like to be in, and I'm not making any excuse for it. 17:50:50 I'm simply saying that I think my staff around you can access and certainly push. 17:50:54 The brother couldn't understand the inside story that it's been a challenge. 17:50:57 These last few months, especially for a number of reasons, not the least. 17:51:02 It was just we lost something like 8 staff since we year, and so everybody's doing the best. 17:51:08 To just kind of get through this period. We've got resources coming our way. 17:51:12 And that we're just looking ahead and trying to trying to map up a path forward. 17:51:18 This is going to meet us to a successful place, not only for us, but for the people that we one more update. 17:51:25 You guys closed for a week to try to catch up on permitting. 17:51:31 And I'd love to know how that went. 17:51:35 Yes, I'd say the principal reason that we asked her to have a lobby closed for a week. 17:51:41 Is that we have. We're down to 2 people staffing that front. 17:51:46 Section, both one of whom had recently gone through a propionary period of the other. 17:51:53 Still, ain't that these 2 well, I haven't just passed through, but you can still in his, and we have several other that are still in there. 17:52:02 6 months we felt that we would anticipate that that would be a tricky position to put those folks in, and so we asked for relief from the board. 17:52:12 The permission essentially to close the lock for that week. That was the principal reason, and as a byproduct of that, we'd have less distractions that would just be really good to email and phone calls, and not as many drop-ins to be able to cause what happens is people drop in for very good 17:52:27 reasons but then that pulls people away from doing the very things that people are dropping into, inquire about. 17:52:32 So we'd have one week where we would not have that, so I guess I would say that. 17:52:36 Oh, we did have it was good in the sense that we were able to catch up just a little bit, but unfortunately the backlog is such that weren't able to catch up fully by any stretch, so I guess I guess that was good. 17:52:50 And back. We're now back to business as usual. 17:52:52 We have Anria Bax. And now we have gave Andrea and Ethan. And then Lila, one of our assistant planners, is also focused more on customer systems, assistance visits and handling the incoming emails. 17:53:08 Yeah, so where does the department stand on our numbers? 17:53:13 You might ask that sorry I brought the email that I got from George one of our assistant planners again within his session and overall 375 Sdrs 167 completed so that's a hundred 96 outstanding 17:53:35 94 of which are under 2 acres, and when you're under 2 acres that means that we set them to environmental public health to answer the question, does that partial meet minimum land area requirements to accommodate a septic system so once that happens just like for 17:53:53 sdrs, you get into a different realm of examination on particular partial. It just gets one complicated. 17:53:58 So just wanted to make sure. That's clear. That sound like we could just issue those overnight without doing the that are necessary often for those situations so one of those comes in and there is an existing system on the parsing. 17:54:13 What happens to that. So you get your main categories to separate these same things, and then you've got your sort of subcategories right? 17:54:23 So on the existing one, the last information that we got from environmental public health, and I would refer to them, of course, on how to implement the health code would be that if it's a system prior to 2,007, there's a certain amount of screening on that compared to one that was 17:54:41 installed, installed, and final. After 2,007. 17:54:45 Because then you've got your permeated from a lot time ago that were never installed per minute a long time ago that were never, and so forth. 17:54:53 There's also the various subcategories. But yes, I guess your point being, I think, that if there's a septic in the ground, or some other level of existing development, that's a different set of circumstances than a piece of property that has yet to be developed at all I think we're 17:55:08 gonna get off on a small area. This is this discussion happening. 17:55:15 It's pretty important. This is, okay. Go ahead, then, is the department still working on an additional ways to try to streamline this process, to try to get the ones through that that are real simple. 17:55:30 And work on the backlog of the the ones that are difficult and small. 17:55:37 Parsons, or. 17:55:43 Yes, we are working on it. And so, as Ethan and Auburn cannot test, we've had multiple conversations with public health will be our partner in this regard. 17:55:57 And as well as the prosecutor, attorney's office, continually looking at different. 17:56:03 Policy implementation around answering some of the complex questions that we've encountered after having implemented that ordinance with respect to the various categories of parcel history, I think we talked about this to some degree. I know you and I have talked about that in more detail. 17:56:20 So yes, we're working on that. It is unfortunate Timing. 17:56:22 We're happy for Auburn and congratulate her on her success. 17:56:26 It's unfortunate because she has been a key member of that team extract to that wisdom that she's relatively short but important time to us on that we'll be hiring hiring planning help. We've also that's one thing. 17:56:41 I forgot to mention. I apologize for that. We did an Rfp. 17:56:45 A request for proposals for on call, planning services for a variety of of levels. 17:56:51 Some related to building inspections that would be specific to say, for example, the master plan, resort, development integrated, but also for other development review services from a land use perspective, whether it's complicated cases like type 3. 17:57:06 Is it require public hearing, and a staff report, or whether it be simpler cases, such as type ones like our site. 17:57:13 Level, review, so Brand Butler has been coordinating that endeavor, and we're close to, you know, we're entering the negotiation phase with more than one. 17:57:23 We're still in the. So we're trying that route as well to get on call planning services to see if we can get a consultant essentially or a firm with greater resources available to help with components of Sdrs and other permits to be able to deal with the backlog 17:57:43 that we have right now, considering that it's both impossible to staff up to a level to meet that demand, but also, perhaps unwise to do so, because then there was a time. 17:57:54 There was a point at which we'll have too many resources based on future expected permit. 17:58:00 Points. So one final question. I had a call with somebody. Thanks for your and the question they asked was, when a permit goes, when somebody applies for Permit. 17:58:12 Now for let's say it's even A. M. 17:58:17 Where? Where are the 2 queues running between the Sdr. 17:58:22 Or and building permits. They are running along the same line, or they run into 2 different lines. 17:58:29 How was the how's the department handle? 17:58:33 Just in a nutshell, since we're in a transition period where we've allowed building permits and something else, and other development permits applications to be submitted concurrently with the cycle review, still is the first window with which we look at a parcel and then if there's a 17:58:53 building permit associated with that. Then that goes along with it through our new, you know, and we try to prioritize those building permits, especially for the simple cases. 17:59:05 If it's a relatively simple analysis, both from a legal lot of record, determination, perspective and the buildability analysis. 17:59:12 Part of the then we tag that building permit right along with it, and try to have make sure that the Land Use Plan are assigned to the Sdr. 17:59:20 It's in close coordination with the person that used to be. 17:59:22 Our planes Examiner is now available official to expedite that building permit through the process, knowing that, you know there's a reason why someone at the building permit. 17:59:32 At least they're has been up until now. They were holding the build in the construction season. 17:59:36 There may be another reason why people are planning the building permits from here to to late October, and that would be to get it under the current billing codes. 17:59:45 So that's a different situation. We'll have to tackle that we get to. 17:59:47 It does frankly make me a little nervous in terms of how many billing permits. 17:59:50 Are we actually expect before the end of October, that fit that category? 17:59:54 And then we might have a whole new building backlog to deal with next fall. 17:59:57 So that's a different project, Laura. Did we get Grant dollars to help with the update to the comprehensive plan? 18:00:09 And what is that? Gonna kick off the Department of Commerce? 18:00:13 Has a webinar to actually a webinar series for which they kick off is scheduled. 18:00:20 I could forward that email as well to you in case you're interested. 18:00:23 I think it's open to the public. I don't think you have to be an agency. 18:00:27 I think it's attended for Staff, but nonetheless we'll find out for the Department of Conversation when they're even going to open up their period to apply for fund. 18:00:36 So at this point we have not applied for any funds for the I'm talking about the 2025 required. 18:00:45 We do so that hasn't opened up yet. But the webinars coming soon. Okay, thank you. 18:00:52 We have 2. We have 2 commissioners online, like the sound check. 18:00:56 Mike first. Yes, absolutely. Thank you. Josh. Did you hear us, Mike? 18:01:03 Yeah, I can hear you. 18:01:06 Love you, Chris. Can you hear us? 18:01:09 Yes, I can. 18:01:12 Good in next agenda. I don't know. 18:01:15 If I might, I'd like to say, thank you for helping me get online to Florida and team. 18:01:22 Anytime? Alright, for the next agenda. 18:01:27 Item in the public comment period. This is the period where public comments may be immediate, but if not on the agenda, if anybody would like to. 18:01:41 And old online would like to make a call. That here, would you? Hey? 18:01:46 Go ahead, Jan! 18:01:52 I just wanted to be sure that we can make comments on the shoreline management program during that section. 18:02:00 If not, then I'll do the comment now. 18:02:02 Go ahead! 18:02:05 So do you want me to go ahead now? 18:02:09 On the Smp. 18:02:11 Yeah, or you could wait until the meeting of the 20 ninth, which is probably more where this will be discussed. 18:02:18 Today's. It is introductory presentation. 18:02:21 Hi! I'd rather make a comment today as well. 18:02:24 Yeah. 18:02:25 So should I go ahead. Now then! 18:02:28 Yes. 18:02:32 I'm Jan Wolves, and I live next to Hood Canal I have decades of experience working in land management, and I spent the last 7 years before I retired in charge of a 1 million acre National Forest about 30% of all future sound tidelands are under permit 18:02:48 for shellfish. Farms of all shellfish, farming, gooeyed up, farming is the most destructive. 18:02:53 It is especially stunning that Gui duct farmers pound over 45 white plastic PVC tubes into the tidelands per acre, or one tube. 18:03:03 Every square foot, tidelands are turned into a slurry down to 3 feet deep. 18:03:07 During the gooey duck harvesting, and these actions go on year after year. Do it. 18:03:14 Farms result in plastic pollution. Release of carbon impacts to threaten an endangered species, loss of native Yoggrass increased turbidity, microplastics being found in food chain organisms siphoning, of food, chain organisms into the gui 18:03:30 ducts that are then unavailable as food for other species increases in ocean acidification and visual water quality, navigation, public safety, and fish and wildlife. 18:03:41 Impacts. I can think of no other county project that would be more impacting than a commercial farm. 18:03:48 For these reasons, along with many of my neighbors who signed a petition, I strongly support the provisions in the agriculture section of the current draft, Smp. 18:03:58 That requires a conditional use permit, and a public hearing for any commercial buying up farming. 18:04:03 Our present Smp draft requiring a conditional use permit is consistent with counties. 18:04:10 Smp, and it's important for the county surrounding Hood Canal, which is a shoreline of statewide significance, so that there have similar plans on a second topic. 18:04:21 In cases where roadways are unfortunately located in the 150 foot shoreline buffer. 18:04:26 The smaller width remaining buffers above a roadway become even more important. 18:04:32 Much of the vegetated area along our shorelines above. 18:04:35 Roads have been lost in our continuing to be rapidly eliminated, as is very evident along Shine Road, where I live, one benefit of these buffer sections above roses to help maintain water quality on the section of the draft Smp on Buffers both Jefferson and Mason 18:04:52 counties have the same wording buffer shall not extend across lawfully established paved roads or hardest surfaces, to include areas which are functionally isolated from the shoreline or critical area. 18:05:06 This sentence should either be eliminated, and these smaller buffer sections treated in the same. 18:05:12 The same way as any other. 150 foot. Jefferson County shoreline buffer for an additional 2 sentences need to be added from the Mason County, Smp. 18:05:24 That requires that the buffer function is reviewed before it can be cut down. 18:05:28 This is also an opportunity to address the county's mission of considering the global warming and sea level rise while doing the Smp Update. 18:05:38 Thank you for the opportunity to comment. And especially I want to thank all of you for working on the planning commission and in the county for the work to help our county move forward. Thank you. 18:05:50 Thank you. 18:05:59 Go ahead! 18:05:59 Mute. I'm trying here. Oh, start video. 18:06:04 Okay. Oh, I'm Maryland show Walter, and I wrote you a letter which I think you have received. 18:06:13 So when I hope I won't even spend my 3 min. 18:06:17 Also, I just want to tell you I'm not being anti social I'm taking care of a 2 year old grandson who's watching baby shark video. 18:06:25 So I am trying to attend. But if you hear something wow! 18:06:30 That's what it is. As I said in my letter, the most important thing from my point of view, is that the essence new Smp draft did is require a conditional use. 18:06:42 Permit for new gui duct, and that includes expansion and conversion by other things to the count. 18:06:58 As I read the apologies, actual draft language, I believe that it agrees that it has maintained that requirement. 18:07:08 It has either required or recommended some different language, and that's the kind of word smithing. 18:07:17 I'm sure we're not doing today, but I look forward to engaging with that process. 18:07:24 The final point I'll make is that a conditional use permit doesn't dictate the outcome of the application. 18:07:32 It's just sets up a process that allows the public to be involved and to bring their points before a impartial decision Maker. 18:07:47 And from what we have dealt with in our day, there are many, many aspects of an application that in our case of the applicant didn't mention, and there's no way that for the county to know that either. 18:08:02 So we just want the opportunity to bring those issues which are very significant, especially for the environment before impartial. 18:08:15 During examiner. Finally, I just hope you'll get going, because this is languished for a couple of years. 18:08:24 Now, or one year, in case of ecology, and of course, in the meantime everybody is operating under the 2,014 Sm. 18:08:33 P, and exploiting all the loopholes that were in there. 18:08:38 So it's very important to get going. Oh, it's gonna be 10 years, I think, by the time this is finished, and that's what I that's all I have to say. 18:08:45 I'll make myself a blank again. Thank you. 18:08:51 Any other comments, that's like Randall for per day, or one more. 18:08:57 Oh, looks like you're muted. There we go! 18:08:59 It's Sue Corbett, my husband. 18:09:03 But so I guess we're doing the comments on the Smp. 18:09:01 Really? 18:09:07 Now I'm there's already been. So yeah, okay. 18:09:11 So my name is Sukorb, but I have lived at 31 Churchill Lane Port Level for 40 years, and have a view of Squabbish harbour. 18:09:18 I urge the planning commission to maintain the requirement in its draft. 18:09:24 Smp, that all new guid deck operations, including expansions and conversions, be required to obtain a standard conditional use, permit, more than 2 years ago I said, a letter signed by 42 people from my neighborhood. 18:09:38 We are all aware of the damage that can be done by glue duck farms, because there is a green duck farm right in our bay. 18:09:45 We've had to pick up hundreds of PVC tubes washed up by the winds and tides. 18:09:52 We've watched as harvesters drag heavy hoses over native Yalegrass, and we documented illegal harbesting in violation of the endangered Species Act, which was admitted by the Guido operator after receiving a notice of violation by the us. 18:10:07 Army Corps of engineers, the least accounting can do in the future is to require a standard conditional use. 18:10:13 Permit for new guid deck operations, including expansions and conversions. 18:10:18 My understanding is that ecology has not eliminated this requirement, but may have revised some language. 18:10:25 We look forward to working with the Commission as it reviews this language over the summer. 18:10:33 Thank you. 18:10:38 I have people, Richard, please put your hands down if you're done. 18:10:42 Oh! 18:10:44 Okay. 18:10:42 That makes it easier for me to sort people out, Alan. I think so. 18:10:53 Yeah, we're gonna go on the next agenda item, which is alright. 18:10:56 It's all our consent. Agenda there is like, I said, agenda. Today we'll go on the next agenda item, which is a regular business and we'll start with oh, Matt went away. 18:11:09 We just asked about this I've given a 2 min, this one before this easy part of this. 18:11:17 Unfortunately. 18:11:23 Yeah, we're waiting for you. I'm so sorry. 18:11:27 This, and he has some water. I thought like you're hydrated. We're talking about some committee appointments. 18:11:35 Alan left. She left the 2 tournament shirts outreach committee and housing committee, and we need to replace her. 18:11:45 The stock plans. We need replacement. 18:11:51 Remember the subcommittees, and also as a share of the subcommittee. So does anybody want to step up on these 2? 18:12:01 Could I make a suggestion? I it's June we tend to go dormant during the summer we have some new planning commissioners coming. 18:12:13 Wondering A and I don't believe we have a board account Commissioner's decision on what the work plan is for next year. 18:12:22 Right. They're gonna hold a hearing hey? It's coming up. 18:12:26 The work plan for next year. Do you mean the market for this year coming up so that the one the Board of County Commissioners has a hearing and then votes on the docket? 18:12:44 We'll know a lot more about what we're gonna be doing. 18:12:48 And I guess my suggestion might be that we put off recomposing the Housing Committee and so in the fall, when we do elections, just my point. 18:13:00 You're talking about the stock man's committee in the average. 18:13:05 Initiates work, and Brett has presumed it, and the county has made their request for compulsory. 18:13:17 So I think you're not good there so lately. But I'm not. 18:13:19 I know Brent did encourage me to reach out it's the only remaining member, just for the On Site plan for the Commissioners. What's the difference? 18:13:31 Between many members. So that's fine. But I don't. 18:13:42 I do not like zombie subcommittees, and it sounds like this has to be done. 18:13:56 I doesn't. But I mean, I could just update, you know. 18:14:00 Hey? You know. Finalize a big next meeting. Oh, or you're prepared. 18:14:04 It was just still emails floating around and stuff was in process. 18:14:10 It's all it's kind of like still running out so on the outreach. 18:14:13 But the Dcd. Has made their request, for and it's all coded here. 18:14:21 We could say that so you can say that. But I wasn't anticipating that Brett would continue to do that. 18:14:25 I mean, still, putting me on emails as a representative. 18:14:28 Just felt like was important. Doesn't have that, input you know. 18:14:32 So so we did. We could address in the fall to see if there's more work I mean, if nobody wants to do it. I think Outreach is pretty important, you know, and there's a lot of opportunities there. 18:14:46 We're just talking about it. So maybe we could think about that. 18:14:51 Which chair in the outreach meeting that was that one. 18:15:03 So Mike and I can hang in by ourselves, but it's just want to put it out there. 18:15:04 And you know I mean they bring it up with this meeting. 18:15:06 The whole concept to help see you as a just what you said. You can do. 18:15:12 It resulted on the average meeting. We were a subcommittee of a subcommittee, which I think structurally was problematic. 18:15:17 I would like to revisit that as well. 18:15:21 I was specifically interested in the website, and there was a decision to make the website committee a subcommittee of the Subcommittee of. 18:15:30 And it didn't work it wasn't really a subcommittee of the subcommittee of, and it didn't work. 18:15:38 It wasn' well, often you mentioned you asked for things. To be put on the website. 18:15:49 My thought would be, I still think that's separate work. 18:15:53 I don't know that we need a subcommittee for it. 18:15:56 I can make those recommendations for that a subcommittee. But I don't think we need the subcommittee of the Subcommittee right now. 18:16:03 Well, yeah, Mike, you're on the Outreach Committee as well. 18:16:10 Yes, I am, and I kind of. I have a tendency to believe like you do, Mister Chair, as well as Cynthia. 18:16:21 I think that we need to take a look at this. 18:16:23 We've got. We haven't had any meetings as of recent, and I think we've hit the goals to this point. 18:16:32 And let's just wait through the summer and see how it all fits out. 18:16:37 From that point. The other concern I have is the diminished staff in the department working with them. 18:16:45 That's I don't think we need to be. 18:16:47 Hey? Questions, ideas, and feedback at this time, unless it's critically important. 18:16:53 So let's let them get up and running better. And Cynthia said, Let's wait till the fall and see how this all spins out. 18:17:03 Would that be late now? 18:17:06 Okay, that would be fine for me. 18:17:12 Yeah, yeah. 18:17:10 September first meeting, agenda. Item, I think we have planned to have a retreat laid August, so it could be an agenda item. 18:17:24 Correct. 18:17:24 That also is a good idea. 18:17:27 I'd like to with, Mike said, cause I I mean I kinda disagree on that. 18:17:38 The whole notion that this is the Subcommittee is causing work for the department. 18:17:45 All ideas to reduce work with the department. So if there's something that needs to be explained or phrased or brainstorms, there's not really going to be a lot of department time in for that. 18:17:58 And so we can be a support network that provides some content. 18:18:06 Ideas, stuff to work with, to make their job easier, so that we could move forward faster and we can follow their instruction. That's basically what we've been doing, trying to be supportive in definitely not the opposite of overburdening. 18:18:19 So I just wanna close with that. That's what we've been doing in the will be more of that. 18:18:23 And there's room for more people that do much more of that alder. 18:18:29 I think that is. 18:18:28 Yeah, I understand, where that's coming from. On this, I just and I agree with what you said. 18:18:36 In one sense, but I just don't wanna have in my view right now the department involved, any more than it is necessary, so that's why I'm bringing that up in that forward. 18:18:49 And so that's where I'm coming from on. It. 18:18:49 Good on that! We're good alderman. I think Syndney has a good idea not with this on the agenda for the Planning commission meeting, but for Telstra to put this on the retreat agenda. 18:19:02 Yeah. 18:19:07 Yeah, they Greek, yeah. Made it through this item. And now we have the. 18:19:17 If I discussion, visa good, representing burk assaulting has a presentation for us to get this process started. 18:19:25 Yeah, I haven't seen the slides. And with me tonight, in addition to myself, I'm Lisa greetor with her parents and worked on the Shirley master program and some critical areas working for. 18:19:43 And then Amy has joined our team. 18:19:46 She's with Shannon and Wilson yeah, I'm a biologist with Shannon Wilson. 18:19:55 I've been working with Lisa for a long time, with Sherlock Holmes, master programs around the State, and for the past couple of years with a sizable gap. 18:20:09 Thank you. So thank you, Aaron. We can get it to go to the next slide. 18:20:15 We'll just cover, I think, the topics that we were gonna go over tonight. 18:20:21 So a little bit of a history, because we have that long. 18:20:24 Yeah, and then, what did we do in the past for public participation? 18:20:29 And what are we going to do from here forward? What we're so how did we get to the recommendations of the planning commission submitted to ecology that involved the task force? 18:20:40 Giving you some thoughts, and then ecology is something here reviewing, and we'll talk a little bit about what we do with those comments, and how we move forward. 18:20:54 The key issues, the related initiatives. The county has a grant for a shoreline user's Guide. 18:21:00 We'll talk a bit about that, and then our next steps from here to the end of the year. 18:21:10 So again the purpose of the periodic update was to meet these bullets here. 18:21:17 Review, admendments that have happened in the Shoreline Management Act at Rcmp. 18:21:22 90, and the college rules that has occurred since 2014 to identify some additional areas of review. 18:21:32 If there's been changes to local circumstances, eliminate redundancies and include clarity that was part of the regulatory reform screens, and then a 2 recognize that within all of that there's some constraints in terms of state law or resources when we're making changes to the 18:21:52 SMS, so there! 18:22:02 In the back. I'm sure this is hard to read, but I'll go through the color coding the basically we have, you know, started in 2020 in the orange was one the planning commission kicked off. 18:22:14 You had sort of an informational session, and then the teal color sort of middle gloom is when the task force met and the task force met several times in 2020 to kind of scope out and develop priorities for the proposed changes to help us with that local perspective changed conditions are important 18:22:35 items, and then in at the end of 2020, the task force gave you some of those items we'll talk about in a minute, and then in 2021 after you've received those since. Sorry to interrupt. 18:22:50 I'm gonna you're not gonna see it for just a second. 18:22:50 Just say it seems like people are having a little bit of trouble seeing it reconnected. 18:22:56 Okay, okay, that should be better. Sorry about that. Can you hear me maximize that so that it's through adobe. 18:23:07 So I can zoom in, but it'll start cutting off the rest of it. You don't have a full screen option under view. 18:23:19 It's just the zooming in. Oh, okay, yeah, no worries. 18:23:30 I think basically, after transmitting the proposals to planning permission, you picked it up in 2021. 18:23:39 That's where the orange bullets are there, and if you had a joint hearing with the Department of Ecology, there was a joint process and then you made your recommendations, and then a year went by while ecology itself was certainly taking a close look at it but they were also short- and 18:23:56 so it took them quite some time to give it the attention it needed. 18:24:00 And then it came back to the county in fall 20. 18:24:04 Oh, basically, a year later, and then, since then, the county department was also trying to find resources and fit this in. 18:24:12 And so I was able to secure couple of grants from colleges to pick it back up. 18:24:21 And so the orange bullet in 2023, where it says, reinitiate, there you are, the orange twenty-aware, it says, reinitiate. 18:24:36 There you are, the orange 2020 20, and so just to say like that just to but there's been a lot of work, but also laptops I guess I in general, I'd like to go to the end keep the continuity of the presentation have questions 18:24:50 afterwards. 18:24:58 I just. It's a clarification question. 18:25:01 What does that mean? We initially, I think we're just terming it that you know we it's been, you know, quite a long time since you made your recommendation. So for us, it's we're picking it back up. 18:25:14 And it's Josh mentioned. We're trying to finish this year. 18:25:19 So we're reinitiating, picking it backup and spending some time I just to be clear to you and to the audience in discussions with ecology. 18:25:43 It's been so long, and we expect to make some changes in response to the ecology comments. 18:25:50 And thus we feel it's just good practice to just having another public hearing in front of the planning commission. 18:25:54 Another planning Commission, recommendation, and then move forward from there, depending on what that is and what colleges response to that will be. 18:26:02 So there's essentially we're picking it back up. 18:26:06 But we're reinitiating on what that is and what college's response to that will be in some ways. 18:26:07 Take a step back in the public process, just to make sure we have enough public process, and we fully considered all the issues from that until now. 18:26:14 And so I just wanted to clear about that just reinitiate it. 18:26:19 Sounds like, let's go back. 18:26:34 So just a reminder. The public participation we started off with in 2020. 18:26:40 There was a public participation plan. It was posted on the website. 18:26:45 There's the project website we just need some updates to this week. 18:26:50 There is a story map. It's still up there. It has a map that is interactive. 18:26:56 And you can zoom in, and it shows the permits that were issued for a 5 year period since the time the there is a survey that's still there. 18:27:08 Most people took it into 2020. We have had some take it since then, and really, there's some general questions about how people interact with the shoreline, what their experiences, if they use the shortline permit process. 18:27:22 And so it's still active, and the task force met as we talked about. 18:27:28 There were also some stakeholder meetings that staff and consultants participated with share at the time what the purpose of the Smp periodic review was, and to let them be aware of the process and ways to comment. 18:27:43 So in the bullet there are some of the entities that we interacted with at the time. 18:27:49 The Chamber of Commerce Association of Realtors, Builders, learning resources, Committee, and there was also a meeting with agencies and tribes, state Agencies. 18:27:58 So a lot of that is documented on the project website. 18:28:01 That's showing their link. 18:28:09 So the task force is convened. As we talked about in 2020. 18:28:14 We've invited the task force received a letter asking if they would like to come tonight, and also it's your second meeting of the month, and also we're we'll after the Q. 18:28:25 For this presentation. We'd like to set up a meeting of the task force to give them the opportunity to look at the comments and see where those landed. 18:28:38 But what we asked the task force to give them the opportunity to look at the comments and see where those landed. But what we asked the task force to do is to it includes 3 plan Commission numbers one of which is early to discuss that but the idea was to help us shape the 18:28:49 scope of the Smp. Periodic review. And so there were 6 issues that are listed on the table on the left, that the task force took a closer look at one was the permit. 18:29:01 Types and activity. So we had a summary of how many permits have been issued for the 5 years prior to to starting the work, and to see if if that had been working out. 18:29:13 So, for example, the county is one of the few in the State that has conditional permits for some kinds of single-family homes. 18:29:22 And so you have more conditional use permits for what other counties would would treat as a substantial development permit. 18:29:28 So that was one example. I think, Lauren is another one. 18:29:33 That's why it's a second on the list. 18:29:35 There the other topic that came up for the task force was climate change and sea level rise. 18:29:43 A college doesn't have a lot of guidance or rules on that, but it has come back during the conference plan. 18:29:49 Updates. So the task force asked. That some of the goals and policies that were in the comprehensive plan also applied in the shoreline master program. 18:29:59 There was also a request from those on the task force. As the Smp. Gave. 18:30:04 Do you notice? Or you know, do you support marine trades? 18:30:09 As a very important sector in the county boat launches from a recreation perspective are those permit standards understandable, and the purpose appropriate for that activity. 18:30:23 That's important. And the number of the Perks in the county. 18:30:27 And there was a section in your code, or you're surely messed program that's very similar to others. 18:30:33 For shorelines of statewide significance which includes marine shoreline and very large rivers and lakes. 18:30:40 There's a special consideration of balancing the different objectives of the Shorland Management Act and because it's supposed to be screening of proposed activities, that there be some attention being paid to making that clear. 18:30:55 What's it mean to apply the statewide use references on the marine shoreline? 18:31:00 So those were the topics that came up with the task force that were handed to you that were brought forward in various proposed changes. 18:31:09 So, I don't know if we want to just acknowledge the task force members who are here in the audience or online but we invited them specifically at another site here, want to raise your hand, or we were online because we were in the pandemic a lot of 18:31:28 the time. 18:31:36 Thank you for being here and for being interested in the topic. 18:31:51 As I mentioned later on, after we get through the substance of the presentation, it can be also, after the meeting, we'd like to set up a meeting, and we didn't get very many responses yet. So we'd like between this meeting and the 29 sets something up. 18:32:10 So now we get into the Planning Commission Review and we're not going to go into great detail. 18:32:17 But just stay on the left hand side is the main article, so the main sections of the Smp. 18:32:23 With a couple of bullets on what we're using, proposing a time. 18:32:26 So we're gonna likely cover that cause. Then we'll get into what areas are we gonna focus on and response to? 18:32:34 But generally in terms of the format. You've codified your shorter program in your code, but it's not official to a colleges, is the version of the college, and hasn't it? 18:32:46 Fuller is not the one that's codified. 18:32:49 So we're basically telling them we'd like now to have a big 5 in their world in your. 18:32:58 And then the other clarifications that you're making is in response to some of the State law clarification. 18:33:05 But it how to specify a Federal lands. It doesn't apply unless there's lease activities and then there's a little of work on definitions where you were proposing changes to be consistent with State law and also to improve clarity in the state law and all sort of improve clarity and there were so many things like electric vehicle charging Stations or things that 18:33:27 were and so those are in there. And then the Master Plan master program goals. 18:33:34 This is where we brought in some of the climate change falls from the comprehensive plan. 18:33:39 There weren't too many changes in there and support for marine trade. 18:33:44 So that's where some of the task force suggestions and policies for sure. 18:33:51 Line jurisdiction. Basically, the State law binds where it applies, which is roughly 200 feet from the ordinary high watermark plus associated wetlands. 18:34:01 And there are some rivers in the West End where the mapping shows the upland designation, but doesn't clarify that the water in the rivers. 18:34:12 Are in the aquatic designation. So there's some technical things we need to clean up there to say yes. 18:34:21 The product designation applies to the rivers and streets. A lot of the ordinary high watermark. 18:34:31 Shoreline is a statewide significance. That's where some of the management principles were trying to be clarified. 18:34:40 Because they're supposed to apply to new activities along the marshore lines. 18:34:44 So you'll see there's some intention came to that in the ecology comments, and then a lot of our work was in the general section of a modest home and kind line, and the expansion of existing homes, and things like that. 18:34:59 There was also county interpretations on what happens with replacement of septic systems. 18:35:06 And what happens with stormwater improvements, and then there's some allowances for changing height in response to sea level rise. 18:35:15 That was one of the things that came out of the task force. 18:35:18 If you wanted to make a change to your your phone site or use in the shoreline, can you address type to go up higher, to be away from supporting it? 18:35:32 So if we can go from here, and then the shoreline modification section. 18:35:40 There were some requirements for Geo. Technical analysis, for shoreline stabilization, and then some clarification on permitting for beach access boat launch and Warren Buys. 18:35:52 If you wanna comment on that. Those were some categories where there was a lot of conditional use, permit activity that just didn't seem appropriate or necessary. 18:36:05 And so we changed the the permit requirement and the use matrix, and also revisited a few of the regulations for each of those, particularly in response to state mission. While making sure they were consistent with their build launch regulations. 18:36:21 For example, and some of the changes we made to the permits requirements. Specifically, we're kind of emphasized the importance of things like public built launch regulations, for example, and some of we spent quite a bit of time also looking at Lauren who is thinking about how many what circumstances. 18:36:44 And I think that was something ancology was really interested in as well as the tribes as well as state so a lot of different entities, kind of and then, in terms of specific use, policies. 18:37:01 There was a little bit more work on policies that go with particular uses around climate change and adaptation. 18:37:09 Again, just bringing in your conference of plan, not trying to for a lot of new ground. 18:37:12 There aquaculture the idea was to address state short language. 18:37:19 So one of those periodic review requirements was to make sure that the County Smp. 18:37:24 Had been keeping up with those rules, and this was one area of focus. 18:37:30 And so it was also the subject of a lot of comment that we'll that will show on another slide and then back to the maritime trades, making sure it was clear that maritime education and public use should follow commercial stamards. 18:37:44 It was one of those in-between tech sort of an institutional use. 18:37:48 And so it was on, clear in in the master program. 18:37:51 What happens with it, and then force practices to match State law. 18:37:59 There the permit criteria updating exemption. 18:38:03 So the state has some things that change over time, like fair market value, and things like that. 18:38:09 We wanted to keep up with clarifying the permit process. 18:38:13 And then those ones that are highlighted in red. There are ones that we spent more time on nonconforming single family use, and parameters on enhancement and monitoring that go with basically expanding. 18:38:29 And then the shoreline mapping you'll see in the ecology comments when we get there. 18:38:34 They the State law changed so that you have to, instead of referring to State law, for what shorelines are subject to the master program you now have to refer to the inventory and characterization report. 18:38:51 And so we were trying to bring that in in an appendix. 18:38:55 Then we need to do a little work there. It's complex in the counties. 18:38:59 Inventory report, and then ocean management is another one that and was a new State law that we were folding in, and you probably will rarely ever use it, and it takes up a lot of pages. 18:39:12 So we put it at the end. 18:39:17 The west coast, and it comes with that activities that could be a couple of miles out from your shoreline. 18:39:26 So there's some things we need to do that. 18:39:31 So during your process before it was finalized in October 2021, and you've had a number. 18:39:45 You had a hearing in June, a joint 30 day. 18:39:47 Comment, period, and hearing, and so 8 of the 12 comments received, and some like neighbors in China, with multiple people signing the letter. 18:40:01 We're on aquaculture. So that's the plan. 18:40:06 If we should spend some time and and when you get the most feedback, some of the tribe sort of concerns about how some of the Nonconforming uses are. 18:40:15 Some of the In water work could lead to cumulative effects that was part of their performance, and then some other smaller issues came up as well. 18:40:32 And so the ecology, recommendations, and requirements. You'll see there's sort of 2 categories to their comments. 18:40:42 One is a set, and they call this their first. This is their first review. 18:40:46 Formal review, but they have a set of required changes that they put in red in their documents and blue, where they're recommending something. 18:40:56 And so in the letter from the college either said you can opt to do an additional joint public comments period, or you can shift to a local process. 18:41:07 And I think the county the county's preference that a college is preference, I think, would be the county do its own. 18:41:14 An additional hearing to wrap in any future changes that we would like to make. 18:41:20 In response to their changes and so you'll see. 18:41:24 Highlighted there, where we think we're gonna spend more time to respond in in the list of things. 18:41:32 So the building set backs the buffer usage to monitor the phone. 18:41:36 I think generally ecology is open to the objectives the county's trying to reach, which is, have no debt, loss of shoreline, ecological function, and achieve the use preferences, but they have some suggestions or concerns about how we get there. 18:41:55 The beach access structures. I think they would like to see some tweets there, and also a little bit of effects. 18:42:04 Analysis, as well as with some of the non-conforming. 18:42:08 Call me actually and then voting facilities. Okay, it had to do with 2 semantic, 2 family dogs. 18:42:19 Okay. Yeah. Aquaculture. There. I accepted just one sentence from their cover. 18:42:26 Mymo, but generally they are going along with where the planning commission is going, except in some places, and they have some situations that they feel for requirements really where they feel like we need to better match the Washington administrative code, and then the maps won't be so much an issue. 18:42:49 For the planning commission in terms of to changes. 18:42:54 But there are some as you can imagine, with the county this large with this Mini water bodies from the over time. 18:43:02 There's been some it, you know, interpretation or some lack of clarity. 18:43:08 And so there's suggesting either making map changes which comes with it. 18:43:11 Quite a bit of process, or doing some checks, changes to help the interpretation. 18:43:18 I think that's where we're gonna go to make it more straightforward for this shorter process and then the cumulative impacts we've discussed we'll be identifying with how many properties could potentially use these provisions for 18:43:34 Ajax access structures and the non-conforming provisions, and relating that back to the county's original cumulative impacts, analysis. 18:43:44 And the idea is to show that the proposals, plus the protective measures, still attain, that no net loss. 18:43:56 So that's a summary of what you said to them in 2021, and the comments back in 2022, as was mentioned, we're working to respond to those comments and bring them back from your second meeting in June as well, the county had gotten 18:44:17 a grant from ecology to do a shoreline user's guy, which is really a public information kind of document that would say, What is the shoreline master program? 18:44:28 How do I know if I'm in the shoreline jurisdiction? 18:44:31 What do I do? If I'm in the shoreline jurisdiction, and I want to do a home, or I want to do a lot of jurisdiction, and I want to do a home. I want to do some other common activity. And so the idea. 18:44:42 Behind the guide is to come up with what are frequently asked. 18:44:44 Ask questions, show maybe a flow chart of how you navigate. 18:44:49 What is a pretty long document and complex, so we're suggesting putting in maybe a flowchart. 18:44:58 And then maybe some topic cases. So we're really only interested in more employees or something like that. 18:45:03 You would just go look there, and you wouldn't have to look at everything and it can morph over time, as the counting that is meant to help people that are homeowners or property owners, or developers, or just interested and will share a so what we were thinking is not only bringing a draft back to the planning 18:45:27 commission, but also to have that opportunity for the task force members to take a look in a draft of that. 18:45:35 And so I think this is our last slide, which is really the schedule at a very high level. 18:45:42 So step, one developing the responses. That's what we're doing now. 18:45:46 What started to do in May, and are continuing to do now have an opportunity for a task force discussion in between the 2 meetings, as I mentioned, and then the Planning Commission review and recommendations which will involve a hearing as Josh mentioned and then a board of County Commissioners for the process We're 18:46:07 Anticipating that would be more important. So we're thinking of planning commission with you now through October. 18:46:15 The task force meeting in June, July. 18:46:22 So that's everything. We had share any questions. 18:46:29 Got a question on the state, the slide that you showed us a couple of slides back with the list of the State responses at a high level and I know you're going to come back to us with more detail. 18:46:46 But of course the guideline could you just give us a little more detail about what they are getting out there? 18:46:57 I'll ask Amy to do that cause again. 18:47:00 I have searched for a little more detail about what they are getting at there. Sure, I'll ask Amy to do that cause again. I have searched one sentence, but there's a lot. 18:47:07 That's kind of the important part. And then, looking at the actual comments, they do agree. 18:47:12 I think someone, either on the the Internet world mentioned with our general premise, the cup is required for new, for conversions or expansions. 18:47:23 That kind of thing, but in our draft language, smp drop the Smp language. We kind of taken an additional step of saying that for subsequent harvest cycles of gooey deck that you didn't have to apply for a new Cp or Usdp unless we have some in less language based on that we have some less 18:47:49 language, you give them the cup, and that means that the subsequent purpose cycles are covered so. 18:47:58 Back, out of that so that's what they struck but then, otherwise, most of the language that we came up with is intact. 18:48:10 I think there might have been another little thing. They took out the substance of the language. 18:48:17 It was more just kind of with how the county keep it for tribes about that aquaculture and permanent processes, and that sort of thing which didn't really need to be but all the other provisions related to that the requirements for this rather detailed 18:48:35 requirements for these special studies and site plans and operations, plans and ecological surveys. 18:48:40 All of that is there? So I think it's 99% of what we were looking for for. 18:48:47 Yeah, thank you. 21. Lauren. Remind me again. 18:48:55 Why, we have jurisdiction over which I picture are out. 18:49:01 You know, below the we're doing a watermark. And yeah, why did it fall in jurisdiction? 18:49:10 Are they? Do you know? So they might be both. 18:49:15 But the waters are county jurisdiction as well, and so you might also have Dnr jurisdiction, in which case might need a lease or some other kind of predator approval from Dnr. 18:49:30 Depending on what their actual uhership boundary is, but it would still not eliminate the need for accounting permit as well as the State. HP. 18:49:40 As well as the State Hpa. As well the State Hpa. As well. Potentially the court permits. 18:49:41 So in many cases it's with waterborne activities. You've got. 18:49:45 Like all layers of government involved, yeah, just add just clarifying. 18:49:52 Add on, Thank you, Amy. So our shoreline interstition extends out to the line that separates us from the neighboring camping. 18:50:00 So if you look at a map of Island county, it's like halfway to Whitby, or something like that. 18:50:02 So we have actually aquatic. Those are our product plans. 18:50:06 We have this, we have the regulatory terms under the Supply Management Act, which, of course, is co administrative by the Local Government Department of politics. 18:50:13 Now dnr, when they grant a license or a right of entry for more employees, it's because they have proprietary authority. 18:50:21 They are state owned aquatic lands, and thus you're basically asking the land owner or land manager. 18:50:27 It's really all of us on that land as citizens, but they're the manager of those they ask permission to do something there, and they're given a license for that as citizens. But they're the manager of those they ask permission to do something there and they're given a 18:50:38 license, and then, as Amy mentioned, plenty of overlapping regulatory jurisdictionions to other agencies efficient, and life would require a hydraulic project basically for the angchoring mechanism into the past and article are might require apartment as well for 18:50:53 their. I think it's 2 or 3 miles. I think it's 2 or 3 miles, so there's like 12 pages, but you're likely not to see much. 18:51:36 Curious about just what was going on with the setback buffer on my own division. 18:51:39 I understand no net loss. Was there anything else that they were particularly well? 18:51:44 So there's a the way the language is in the comment, at least for modest form and common line was, there's nothing preventing the the issues I'm trying to. 18:51:57 For a reasonable size, home on a lot that's less deep than your buffer. 18:52:03 But they didn't like how it came together. So of it is existing language, and some of it is what we were posting. 18:52:10 So basically they said, they're open to us coming back with some improvements, they said what they didn't care for but they didn't have like suggestions exactly. 18:52:21 So that's why I highlighted it. Because we're gonna spend some time on that I think that there's some reasonable comments that he made, that there's still some confusion between when you would use a modest phone which is you're trying to get a reasonable size home and a 18:52:39 driveway to use a lot that would be fairly limited by understand? 18:52:43 And the common line is about setting your home on the property so that you can that enjoy a view that's similar to your universe. 18:52:51 And there's still some, even the despite some of the changes. 18:53:02 So we'll be spending some time on that. And that's actually important for the users because most of the permit questions that the county gets on a day-to-day basis is around a single family home on an existing that. 18:53:15 And so we really want to work on that it'll be part of the diagrams we're trying, you know, to improve upon. 18:53:23 So you'll see both of those things come back. 18:53:29 Did the legislature pass some additional requirements this past session for updating, maybe it was just an apprehensive I'm not sure my management program. 18:53:43 I'm forgetting now. There's a lot they pass that has to do with computing as a plan and allowing for accessory dwelling unions. 18:53:50 With. That's what you mean. Yeah. Well, and something to do with also no net loss extending that somehow it actually wasn't paying attention. 18:54:04 It wasn't just a net game. Yeah, I don't think, yeah. 18:54:14 We'll double check to see if there's any shoreline amendments. 18:54:17 Major in the last session. I don't. 18:54:20 Nothing comes to mind if it was mostly about Gma Seepa. But we'll double-check and just make sure. That is obviously something we need to do since college told us last fall. We need to make sure that we're still we don't want to be behind the curve screen. 18:54:49 I can't see Chris. If you guys are hand out, Christie this time. 18:54:52 But yeah, okay, we're good. And Mike say, be gone. He is. 18:55:00 Any additional questions, or no. What is it? Now? The chair might be nice to see if the task first but just first to see if there's any questions or thoughts from the task force members present? 18:55:16 And then I. And then I don't know if we want to take the time to set a date now with the customers, or just do it online, that I have only heard of the 12. 18:55:25 How many were here this meeting? One? Well, yeah, did he respond to me? And David Wilkinson responded to me. 18:55:50 And then, okay, that he would at least try to work with the planning commission meeting dates. 18:55:58 Yeah. So I really didn't hear from. I was soaking that tonight we can figure out a date. 18:56:04 But I'm not even sure we have enough people to figure out a date correct so that's not gonna be any good I think I'll just follow up. I had emailed everybody, and I can follow up with another email, maybe I'll just set a date. 18:56:18 And say, please come, and you know we have some information of the people that did respond, share. 18:56:26 So really the intention of that was, first of all to honor the work. 18:56:29 That task force did, in fact, then cause it's been a while right. 18:56:32 And it wasn't important origination step towards that, bringing the proposals to the planning Commission for further discussion. 18:56:38 As Lisa outlined, and then to sort of re-engage those folks to see who is still around, who is still interested, and to make sure that those voices, you know, they were given the opportunity, anyway, sort of by special invitation, to participate in this process to sort of broaden the discussion and then we talked about you know maybe we 18:56:57 should we're not gonna set up a series of meetings, and as a precursor to bring into plan mission. 18:57:01 But maybe we could have a discussion, so we can make sure to tease out any issues or get some response from task force members to the ecology response. 18:57:08 And then that will best better inform our staff recommendation, together with the consultants, as we reengaged with the planning commission. 18:57:16 So that was the idea. But again, if there isn't a lot of interest, we could just have, we could schedule a meeting. We could hold it. We can have a discussion and then move on to our next our late June meeting, and sorry if you don't mind I'm just gonna say. 18:57:29 someone commented. The Sendy Gene, commented Cindy. 18:57:33 Jane is here as a sub for Dave Wilkinson, for the Client Action Committee Position on the Task Force, and then Marlow Powers said the Port Gamble spell on tribe would like to be on the task. 18:57:45 Force if there's space and didn't see the tribe represented in the original list. 18:57:52 Is he got that in the interest of time, and honoring the process? 18:58:03 I I mean, I guess his planning commission member and task force. 18:58:07 I would like to see that we do what you're talking about. 18:58:11 Let's call the task, force together and give them kind of an overview. 18:58:17 Maybe a little more depth. Than we just had right here. 18:58:20 But what I wouldn't want to see is like throwing the door open again, because I really feel like it's back in the planning Commission's hands. Now. 18:58:31 So I think that's where the comments should be coming in. 18:58:37 And if that makes sense otherwise, I'm not sure we're gonna hit this deadline. 18:58:42 Let's you know, one other option that that might work is to say, let's say the Thursday before your meeting on the 20 ninth. 18:58:54 So we get ahead. We could have, you know, a virtual screen share of the packet and walk through it, and we could just make it a couple from all. 18:59:06 If anybody wants to. Whether they're on the task force or not, if we're not seeing another task force interest, we could just make it a walkthrough. 18:59:13 What's in the packet ahead of your meeting on the twenty-nineth? I think that's a good idea. 18:59:19 Personally. 18:59:23 I'm not sure I'm following exactly, but what I would like even better would be to invite test purpose members to come and bring their comments to 29. 18:59:39 Okay? Because I think us seeing them there's there's unlikely to be. 18:59:44 A ton of them would be my wildest guess. Excuse me, would be my guess, and I would like to hear them so, whether they provide them in written form, or they come to the meeting and provide them, I think that would be the most useful. 19:00:02 Yeah, thanks. That was one of the principal objectives that was to distinguish. 19:00:05 We energize those individuals to be able to provide some comments to you as planning commission. 19:00:14 So it was one of those unfortunate situations that we've talked about. 19:00:19 Maybe we won't do in the future. But the planning commission really, with the exception of the members who participated in the task force the planning Commission really didn't get to be part of the process until the week, where we went every night for you and I know I'm saying they have a 19:00:48 value because the task force hasn't. I'm saying they have a value because the task force has a value because they were more deeply involved in the process than the Planning Commission was. 19:00:56 So I'm agreeing that, inviting them to prominent is valuable hopefully in the future. 19:01:01 And and because our lead is no longer with us. 19:01:04 District one. If Kevin said, yet want you to participate, please contact Lisa. 19:01:09 So what I'm hearing now is that maybe there's not enough interest for a transport between these 2 gates, and maybe the bush is to make a of an effort to get them to your meeting on the 29, and maybe instead of having a meeting a week ahead. 19:01:26 We could just have like a little open house, the same night as your meeting. 19:01:30 So people want, you know, talk informally, and then that we want them to stay through your meeting about that with that. 19:01:42 And we'd be able to find permission to get him the weekend for that meeting. 19:01:45 Get all of your so we got time to dive right. 19:01:53 The idea would be like, you know, the Thursday, of Friday ahead of the 20 ninth, we would have our. 19:02:00 We may not have everything solved, we may say, well, it could look like this or that, but we need to topology. So there may be some of that. 19:02:09 Still that we're trying to work out drama. It just. 19:02:17 First glance, and I want to overstate this but it seems like a huge success, like there seems like the ecology comments accepted most of the difficult things. 19:02:29 And sometimes a lack of participation just being. Say, it's not that bad. 19:02:40 So it does seem, I just wanna mention that. I congratulate everybody who's involved. 19:02:46 They accepted the major step. Correct me. It's pretty good. 19:02:52 Okay, my take on it is even though there's a lot of red and blue in there that there that that the goal of, because you just try to honor what? 19:03:04 Where you were trying to go and say, Okay, maybe you can't call like the septic or the stormwater stuff. 19:03:12 Part of the exception, but you can't call like the septic or the stormwater where you were trying to go and say, Okay, maybe you can't call like the septic or stormwater stuff, part of an exception. But you can call it in pertinence and so I saw you know trying to get 19:03:22 to. But that is my general overall state seems very positive to me from them, you know, which doesn't always happen, I'd like to add one thing about the process too. 19:03:33 So just wanna make sure your feeling or your understanding that because we're doing these 2 meetings in June dedicated to the doesn't mean that we're hurrying. 19:03:44 Perhaps in the same, certainly not in the same capacity that said, just to scratch. 19:03:49 So we are trying to do a lot of work. And I said, We little Liberal leader is our consultants, who are doing a lot of work for us now, and there's 2 reasons. 19:04:00 One is like we're kitchen to get going. 19:04:02 So there's that. But really the second issue is because, as Lisa mentioned, we got some additional funding from ecology. 19:04:08 But the string attached to that is, it needs to be spent by the end of June, because that's the state operates on by any rate. 19:04:17 So so we're doing a lot of work, and they're going to be filling for us for a lot of work here, as you know, a good chunk of preliminary work to really get us going. 19:04:24 But it's not as if we have a strict deadline to finish the process. 19:04:30 Now that said ecology, despite having taken a year to get his comments this is putting a little bit of pressure on this revision, which they remind us should have been done a while ago. 19:04:48 Substance here to discuss, or, as Matt says, maybe once we do this analysis and erase some of that read and blue, maybe it'll just kind of push right through. I'm not sure I'm not predicting it. 19:04:59 But if you I'm not what I'm saying, what I'm saying is that even though we have the Plan Amendment stuff to do so, we have a body of work that we really need to open as well. 19:05:09 We can talk about this as much as you'd like. 19:05:11 Essentially again wanting to finish it at the end of the year. 19:05:13 But I guess what I'm trying to say is, we can have another meeting in July. 19:05:17 That's another meeting, you know, and so forth. If you still have things you want to talk about, I don't want you to feel rushed in the process like the experience, perhaps, that you haven't before so. 19:05:28 But eventually we're gonna have to schedule both. 19:05:31 The caveat once again. I think we don't wanna rush it, but we won't really do. 19:05:39 Want to get this one off runway, so that the comprehensive plan can land and not we don't want we don't want, to. I think both sides still feel good running. Start. 19:05:54 Thank you so much. We do a lot of next meeting, and Josh, he can take credit for your consultants. Work. 19:06:02 That is. 19:06:08 No, I'm actually really quite thankful just having, as you know, rejoined. 19:06:13 Ucd as of last summer. To know that Burke was still on contract with us for the earlier shoreline work, and as a bonus had worked with the county prior to that on the critical areas update that last half circle 2018 right so that's another advantage and actually part of our 19:06:34 contract that we just amended is as Burke helping us take a look at that, both in the standpoint of helping to answer questions of our newer staff about implementation details, and also just taking another look at some things we might put in the next docket. 19:06:53 You're changing to correct some things, to clarify some things. 19:06:57 And that could imply in the long run a small Bye Smp Revision. 19:07:07 To follow this one only in the sense that there's such a relationship between those 2 things. 19:07:11 So right now, this smp that we're working on references. 19:07:13 The last. 19:07:17 Then we do have to come back. And acknowledge that in our Smp. 19:07:22 It's kinda it's an interesting little between a 1970 law and 1999 that they tried to bring together and they've integrated to some effect. 19:07:32 They're not completely, and stay on. 19:07:38 You'll notice that the meeting, second meeting, June, has been moved a week later in a day it's the 20 ninth instead of the 20. First, we really appreciate your ability to shift Thursday. Sorry to interrupt you, Mr. 19:07:54 Chair, but we understand that moving from a regular Wednesday to a Thursday is awkward, really had to do that to accommodate the schedules of our students, consultants, and we thank you for any forgiveness for that, but it's really important to have that meeting before 19:08:06 us if there yet right there's any other comments. 19:08:13 Good I'm just chat here. Maryland's show, Walter says. 19:08:19 Please ask theology to produce and accept all changes, draft. 19:08:22 Show the required and recommended changes. So we can see it compared to what they want. 19:08:28 Hmm! I guess what I would say to that. And so, Marilyn, my first response to that, I'm not sure we can get acology to do that. 19:08:38 We can ask, but I think more like it's the end, I think what we would do is produce various versions that address the ecology comments, including essentially, you know, sort of a clean a version like a line in line out version, of our responsive center comments. 19:08:56 Plus any additional information that we want to propose. As the staffing insulting team plus a line in line out version. 19:09:01 And a clean version eventually. So we're going to be producing lesson versions ourselves, I would say. 19:09:06 Can. Can I just pipe in? I'd be happy. 19:09:08 Hope to comment for you that close, but.