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09:00:34 Great. Good morning everyone. I will call this Board of County Commissioner meeting for July seventeenth to order.
09:00:42 We've got a very busy schedule today so I hope people can stick with us. Before our 9 45 hearing on the second quarter budget appropriations.
09:00:52 We will start as we always do with with public comment. So I'll ask the room and at home.
09:00:58 Does anyone have a public comment they'd like to share today?
09:01:03 Roger, do you have anything? Yeah, again. Yeah, I would love to hear from you.
09:01:08 Can you step up to the podium? Do you want help? Right there to the left. Very close.
09:01:20 Yeah, Roger. Farmer since 1945. I really don't know how I want to talk today.
09:01:29 I'm just Most things that.
09:01:35 Just started going away otherwise.
09:01:40 Part of it is. We've had GMA, we've had a lot of other things along the way.
09:01:46 When we start at the top. We forget about the people that's been affected.
09:01:53 And that continues today.
09:01:56 Supposedly I've sold the farm to the port. Yeah, we're gonna talk about plans for them.
09:02:02 Future of the farm and Jimmy and
09:02:07 I understand they've had a few meetings already. They don't give a damn about many.
09:02:13 My knowledge was going on. Means nothing. I just feel like I've been totally rejected because of it.
09:02:23 Maybe I've been tough on the challenge. But really, I just wanted to get back to it.
09:02:32 This is happening out in the county.
09:02:38 I don't know what to say. Like it certainly changed.
09:02:47 Thank you. Thank you very much, Mr. Short.
09:02:56 Got it, Roger. Yep. Doing good. Okay, thank you Roger and we'll respond to your comments after after we hear from anyone who would like to share comments this morning, so I'll
turn to the virtual room.
09:03:13 Anyone online that would like to make a comment on any agenda item or anything today. There's a moment.
09:03:20 Or if you're on the phone, you can hit star 9 to raise your hand or you can hit the raise hand button.
09:03:27 Okay, well we'll keep public comment open, but we'll take a moment to respond to Mr. Short.
09:03:33 Comments. I don't know. Anyone like to lead off here? Well, I don't I'm curious about you say that there have been meetings held that you weren't invited to.
09:03:44 I haven't been invited to any meetings with the port. Regarding the short farm. So I'm not sure.
09:03:54 I was told that, yeah, there'd been a couple of meetings with, several community if we show you as part of it.
09:03:59 Oh, okay. Yeah, no, I haven't been to meetings. With the port about the short form yet.
09:04:09 Support or whether it's with the potential change is which will never happen.
09:04:16 We have had one meeting regarding the drainage district. We had one meeting regarding the drainage district but we didn't specifically talk about the short farm of course.
09:04:30 Yeah.
09:04:33 Okay.
09:04:37 I'll add on, Mr. Short. Thank you for being here today. I appreciate you taking your time to come in and your contributions to, you know, not just that the farming community,
but our public processes as well known in your years with the conservation district and Yeah, I appreciate you being here.
09:04:56 I'm sorry it's rough right now. It sounds like. Talks aren't having happening without you.
09:05:04 I don't think we have any firsthand knowledge of what the port is doing with that with the short farm.
09:05:09 Exactly, but I've been sick for a month so we don't have anything. Well, I think you can rely on us that we're not.
09:05:19 Principally involved with the short farm and the port purchase of that of course. We want to keep agricultural vital in Jefferson County and I do hear you about you know, GMA
and often, decisions are made.
09:05:35 From a perspective in such verified air that it's hard to connect it sometimes to the work on the ground.
09:05:45 We're trying to address and I do I hear the passion in your comment and I agree with a lot of How are I read it too, you know, that we need to make sure that the empirical experience
of those that are on the ground is is taken into account.
09:06:00 You know, I've been down in Brenton a lot. So talking with folks about you know river river management and ecosystem management and It's hard to argue sometimes with someone
that's been watching the same stretch of river for 40 years and have a very different.
09:06:18 Gestation for their for their feelings and their about the Conditions of the river and the treatments that might be appropriate.
09:06:28 So. I do take your point and I appreciate you being here. Okay, the water stream up 6 inches since the first of June.
09:06:36 Wow. Go ahead.
09:06:41 Yeah, hey, Roger. I'm joining virtually. Oh, I just want to be sure that the folks at the port are hearing this.
09:06:53 So I'm not sure that the folks at the port are hearing this. So I'm not sure if there have been opportunities for you to provide this feedback but we could also talk to our
colleagues there.
09:06:59 You know, I certainly remember. Your farm when you are milking and you know I have a great Great fondness for your family and all you've done there for many generations.
09:07:13 And I really hope that, you know, there can be a vision for the property that brings it back to, to, what it has been historically.
09:07:22 So, II guess I'm happy to pass this along. I'm not sure much more we can do, but, hopefully you're finding opportunities to wait in with their public process.
09:07:38 Yeah, and as we move forward with the conversations about the Drainage District, Roger, I'll make sure that you get invited to the Next meeting.
09:07:46 Okay. The first meeting we had was just in an initial kind of table setting meeting but. It'll be important to get more.
09:07:57 Voices to the table in the next meeting.
09:08:03 All right, I will make another call. Anyone else with us in the Zoom room or on the phone that would like to make a public comment.
09:08:13 You can hit the raise hand button or star 9 if you're on the phone to indicate your interest and we'll bring you over as a panelist.
09:08:20 Okay, I don't see anyone there so we will keep public comment open until 9 30. But, perhaps we should look at our relatively short consent agenda.
09:08:32 I know I think next week might be. You know, the wash comes in next week. Any questions or comments on any of the consent agenda items?
09:08:47 No, I'm happy to move that we approved the consent agenda for July seventeenth, 2023.
09:08:54 And I'll second.
09:08:55 Okay, it's been moved and seconded to approve and adopt the consent agenda for 7 1723 as presented all in favor indicate by saying aye
09:09:07 Hi.
09:09:07 You post. Okay, we have a consent agenda approved. And so I'll please as we continue through this until 9 30, I will keep public comment open.
09:09:19 So if there's something that triggers a response, please feel free to hit raise hand or star 9 if you're in the zoom room with us.
09:09:26 And, why don't we start with Heidi? How was your last week?
09:09:34 Last week was good. I think the main thing to share coming out of last week was that I am not going to the NACO conference.
09:09:44 Texas this week. It just felt. They had an extreme heat warning there.
09:09:52 And it felt completely hypocritical to get on an airplane. And fly to a. Conference, sit in an air-conditioned room for 5 days and talk about the state of our public lands.
09:10:03 Which was my primary role in being there. So. I chose not to go and was able to get refunded or credited for.
09:10:11 All the expenses so I'll be here with you guys. And then Let's see. We did have our initial conversation with the, regarding the drainage district.
09:10:25 With the port. And. A couple of, stakeholders and the community, but it was just kind of a.
09:10:38 The keep the key players who would be part of the Drainage District process going forward. Talking about the viability of the idea and kind of next steps.
09:10:54 So we have we brought on a consultant to help us with the drainage district process and a peak sustainability out of Watkin County.
09:11:01 And they have tons of experience working with local watershed issues. So there helping us by facilitating these conversations.
09:11:11 And so The initial conversation was just for them to meet. Mostly the county and the, conservation district and the port.
09:11:20 As key players in the. Trainage District. And then.
09:11:28 Later Tuesday afternoon.
09:11:34 Behavioral health advisory committee meeting. Where we talked about the opioid fundings and commissioner Brotherton was there and talked about.
09:11:44 How to allocate those funds in the future. And I think, you know, it was a good conversation and there.
09:11:53 I think the next conversation on that is gonna be on the 20 first. Or is it 20 fourth?
09:12:04 20 first. 20 first. Okay.
09:12:09 Then Wednesday. I participated in the strategic planning, weekly check-in. And we have a final draft, which we all have. So we're talking about that later this afternoon.
09:12:21 A lot of work has gone into that and I appreciate the leadership team of all the departments in the county.
09:12:25 Participating productively. I feel like we have a good draft and I look forward to talking about it with you guys.
09:12:30 Later today. Attended a focus group for the Olympic Peninsula Visitor Bureau tourism planning process that's going on.
09:12:42 And this one, this focus group was on infrastructure and mobility and we just talked about it. Primarily we talked about transit because both Jefferson and Clown transit was
there.
09:12:53 And talked about the need to better promote things like the straight shot and the Kingston Express. But it was a good conversation.
09:13:03 A small group of folks. Then Wednesday evening I had an Olympic discovery trail meeting. And that was largely a celebration of the raise grant that came into All of us, the
collective, advocates for that.
09:13:20 Trail and the connections that will link. The Olympic Discovery Trail to Kitsap so Super exciting opportunity for us to think about how we expand the trail onto the peninsula.
09:13:37 Had coffee with Mallory on Thursday to talk about her work and kind of next steps around the Forestry Letter and kind of coincidentally gotta reach out from DNR last week and
I'm going to have an initial conversation in response to the letter that we sent.
09:13:56 And then we'll schedule a larger workshop for all of us. To kind of lay out the next steps regarding that.
09:14:03 That letter that we sent to DNR.
09:14:09 Had a brief check in with Mark and some. Things where we're overlapping. Thursday. Let's see.
09:14:18 And then. Met with some constituents on Thursday afternoon and And. Friday I was largely out of office but
09:14:35 Ended up responding to some stuff that day. And then as I had mentioned last week, I had a couple of milestone.
09:14:42 Birthdays to attend and help with this weekend. People are turning 60 and 80 and 60. It feels like.
09:14:50 Lots of thresholds being crossed. In addition to Mark's today's Mark's birthday.
09:14:56 Oh, right. I threatened a song, but I don't quite have the way to wave a full board in in the chambers.
09:15:04 This last week. Okay, great. I assume, Kate, that you're not at a spot that you can, report.
09:15:11 So you can always,
09:15:11 I know I am actually I just can't have my camera on while I'm scrolling through my calendar so I do 2 things at once.
09:15:17 All right, go. Yeah, well go ahead if you're in a safe place. We'd love to hear how your last week was.
09:15:24 And I am not driving. Of course. So, Tuesday morning had a maritime Washington advisory board meeting and we talked a lot about the grant program.
09:15:38 So we are funded by the fence to do a small grant program. And I'm really hoping, I'm not sure if I should bring to a TCC or maybe the chamber.
09:15:48 About continuing the work the chamber did on tourism on the peninsula that doesn't require driving a car here.
09:15:56 It's a effort I'd love to continue. So if either of you know kind of if CC might be amenable to that or every little concern chamber just has an interim.
09:16:04 I think largely volunteer, staff right now. It might not be in a great position to take advantage of that.
09:16:11 Had a meeting for the aquatic center, specifically on financing and we also had a couple of.
09:16:18 Public meetings last week. Starting to get feedback on some of the financing options. Certainly on the Wednesday night meeting, we heard a stronger preference for the sales
tax option that we're still kind of crunching the numbers to see if that would bring in enough revenue.
09:16:35 And Stacy Prade's gonna be helping with that because there's an additional lodging text that can be leveraged.
09:16:41 And I think I mentioned before the analysis we've done is that about one in 5 sales tax dollars that we bring in today comes from out of town folks and then if we there was
an additional lodging text that would mean even more of that facility would be financed by out of town tourist folks.
09:16:59 So, that's, seems to be attractive to the public, but I'll be curious to hear from Mark what they heard on Thursday night.
09:17:06 They had more, lively participation from the public. Wednesday, Mark and Phil, and I work some on the, fairgrounds agreement, which we're gonna be hearing more about later today.
09:17:19 Had a call with a constituent about the shoreline master program
09:17:26 I think we're gonna start hearing more and more of that and, Yeah, I'm curious to hear.
09:17:33 I tried to connect with Josh Peters wasn't able to. But we'd love to get an idea of the timeline for SMP and when that might be coming before us.
09:17:41 At a meeting with our childcare facility team and we're so waiting to hear back on that CDBG grants should be around the middle at the end of August.
09:17:56 We'll hear about that and. Really need that in order to be able to proceed with that project.
09:18:00 The costs just continue to go up and up. Had a meeting with the Association of Counties and the bylaws committee meeting.
09:18:08 I think I've mentioned some of the larger counties set aside with how Lotsack runs and presentations are made.
09:18:21 You're you're breaking up there. Hold on a second.
09:18:16 Pretty. Oh. You wanna go ahead.
09:18:28 Hey, I think you're in. We just we can't hear you. You're all digitally garbled right now.
09:18:34 So. Maybe if you can hear us just pause pause where you are and we'll come back to you in a minute.
09:18:41 Cause we really can't understand the word you're saying at this point. So I'll at this juncture make another call for public comment.
09:18:52 Anyone that's with us online. You can hit raise hand or star 9 if you'd like to make public comment.
09:18:58 And we'll get back to Kate's report back from. Next week I can just answer one of the things that you asked and I can say it again to you.
09:19:08 This is from the agenda. Of the planning commission. I think the S and P, Prague Straf Red Lines came in by June 20Â s.
09:19:19 And then, oh wait, that's wrong. I'm looking at the wrong thing. Oh, I has calendar but I don't.
09:19:27 After the June 20 ninth meeting, I think it's gonna come before us in the. In the fall.
09:19:35 Pretty sure. I'll find that the answer to that, but I do have that information. But I'll look to my actual week.
09:19:41 Let's see, it was with you guys last Monday and then I went down to join the the, sewer group, which is really an offshoot of the community center advisory group.
09:19:51 It's a super group committee and was joined there by Tammy Corney as well as Amanda Christopherson from Environmental Public Health and Amanda's been I think been given a approval
to really, kind of a bird dog the efforts of the sewer group down there.
09:20:10 Throughout for the last couple of months so it's great to have so much staff Commissioner Tupper from the PUD was there as well as Scott Bancroft from the PV, they're I think
their chief operations, gentlemen.
09:20:24 I'm not sure if operations officer, but really good conversation about the possibilities going on and still just a real.
09:20:32 Vibrant group, a lot more optimism from the PUD as to the potential management of the sewer, but they're still really.
09:20:42 Just getting into it. So they're gonna get some more information. I'll continue to go to those meetings as much as I can to bring back.
09:20:50 Actual updates. One bit of good news we heard there is it looks like the GUI duck has a plan and financing and a final a final septic permit to to keep that that anchor institution
running in Brennan.
09:21:04 So. That was good news. It was shared with us there. Let's see on Tuesday.
09:21:11 Met with, Joe Naveli for a little bit. Medical appointment. Where your sun screen, young folks.
09:21:20 Consequences come a little later in life, but they do come. And, then.
09:21:25 They have the special meeting with Heidi as she indicated. I think you did not have a behavioral health advisory committee.
09:21:32 No, we didn't. We didn't have a. So we had a special meeting of the BOCC and then kind of stopped after that.
09:21:39 But good conversation, I think mostly a line meant a lot of support from the BHAC for the plan that we're considering of kind of splitting those 2 settlements to the 2 different
organizations acronym, sandwiches that we have that are appropriate places for that funding, the behavioral health advisory committee and
09:21:58 the behavioral health consortium. On Wednesday had an orca board meeting and all's all well there and an holy cap board meeting as well.
09:22:11 Holy cap. Feel like there was something I wanted to report from that. They've got a contractor approved for the new shelter at Coswell Brown.
09:22:22 So they're in can stuff and are gonna start building here. Fairly soon. So, go.
09:22:28 So Brent Butler is putting together the hearings examiner package. Okay. And the entire project hinges on him getting that report done.
09:22:40 Oh, so great. That was not reported on, but that's great. Thursday we had a special Jeffcom meeting with our new director out there, Matt Stuart.
09:22:51 Really diving into collective bargaining and just wanted to meeting with the with the board and the user agencies really.
09:22:57 Talk about strategies going forward on collective bargaining that he is embarking on is his first big task. But he's certainly hit the ground running.
09:23:06 Lots of communications from him really trying to lay out expectations as well as communication pathways. So it's really appreciated that the leadership he's brought so far.
09:23:16 Then, agenda planning with Mark for today. As I say, it's gonna be a busy one.
09:23:24 Friday, of course, went to big bed. Due to daddy, fantastic, but, earlier in the day.
09:23:29 I was set to get my haircut which is takes 2 months to reschedule and we had a bit of a scheduling snafu with.
09:23:37 Not able to do the, the program that we expected to do on community connections. So I, We had to do it remote anyways, so I zoomed into the radio with, Andrea, plan this is
my hairdresser and we did it.
09:23:52 From the How'd it go? I think it was good. It was I think it was we had a fill in host Taylor filled in for Jim who was getting over some illness Taylor filled in for Jim who
was getting over some illness and I think he was a little gosmack sometimes or just the cutting hair going on in the
09:24:11 background. So we had we had a few moments of the buzzing clippers and I we waited in the buzzing clippers until until we were off screen.
09:24:21 We had mics on both Andrea and myself. So I think we came through pretty clearly. It was good.
09:24:23 Talked about some South County issues as well as you know what it's like to be and she's got 2 generations living in a house working in Jefferson County and the opportunities
in South County and the, the challenges are different than, elsewhere.
09:24:38 So it was nice to get a kind of an on the street. Or in the chair perspective on that.
09:24:44 And then, that was. Was it the high points of my week? I'll call one more time here.
09:24:53 Anyone would like to make public comment. We would love to hear from you. You can hit raise hand or star 9 if you're on the phone.
09:25:01 We'll bring you over. Still don't see anyone. I don't know, Kate, you wanna you wanna give it a go with the old microphone again?
09:25:12 Oh, we might have really lost her. Why don't we turn to Mark? How was your last week?
09:25:23 Is she back on? Go ahead, though. He's still okay. I'll be quick.
09:25:30 So Monday the tenth, day with the board as usual on a Monday. Then on Tuesday met with Judy Shepard, finance manager to review.
09:25:41 The budget resolution that you'll be hearing at more about this later this morning then I had my, regular meeting with Josh Peters.
09:25:51 He's doing some innovative things with staffing in particular senior planner we're increasing the grade on that position by one to reduce compression and to improve our chances
of recruiting.
09:26:04 Some good talent for that position. And then, discussion on the Chimcombe Drainage District that, Heidi's leading the effort on, then out to the Elks Lodge for blood donation.
09:26:17 And then, 2 30, healthier together financing meeting. And like Kate said, I think maybe the PFD model might be the way we're gonna go.
09:26:31 Still room to debate that however
09:26:35 And then on Wednesday the twelfth. I met with Kate and Mr. Hunsucker to talk about the fairgrounds agreement.
09:26:42 I still need quite a bit more discussion on that and Kate mentioned that we're going to hear more about that later today, but we had to reduce executive sessions.
09:26:49 No. No, never mind. Never mind.
09:26:53 I misspoke there. And then at 1030 strategic planning meeting, to sort of finalize, today's discussion with the board at 2 30.
09:27:05 And then North Olympic Peninsula City Manager County Administration catch up meeting, which is, every other month.
09:27:14 And then a meeting on the childcare facility. With the hospital and.
09:27:22 And then the evening meeting which was virtual on the healthier together open house. Thursday. How was it?
09:27:32 Oh, that was Wednesday, Thursday. Yeah, when I get to the in person one at Fort Worth and I'll elaborate just a little bit.
09:27:41 So on Monday more or I'm sorry, Thursday morning. Cindy Brooks has a a monthly EDC CEO breakfast that I was able to join for about 15Â min and then I had to jump off to about
15Â min and then I had to jump off to have a meeting with DCD and environmental public
09:27:58 health talk about how we're going to fund the integral project management. Position or consultant that we're gonna come to you and ask for permission to bring on.
09:28:10 To help us solve some issues with And then, met with Brent Butler at 90'clock to go over his.
09:28:18 Project work. He's got a he's got a platter and it's chock full with projects and he's making progress on a number of them.
09:28:25 And then 1030 first, as Greg said first meeting with Matt Stewart as the bona fide head of Jeff Calm, 901 and I'll just echo the comments that Greg made that I think were in
great hands with Matt being in charge.
09:28:39 Then a check in with Heidi on a number of things. And then, weekly check in with Chris and then a planning.
09:28:48 Agenda planning with Greg and then off to the hospital for physical therapy and then the healthier together open house probably the best attended meeting And I think supporters
outnumbered detractors.
09:29:03 Maybe 4 to one. But even among the supporters, there's a lot of.
09:29:10 Differing opinions on what amenities to offer. You know, should we have public showers there?
09:29:16 Some people say yes, some people say no. A lot of people concerned about the number of people who participate in water aerobics and will they be in the laphole or this, a lot
of details that have yet to be sorted out.
09:29:30 And then a number of people who were very concerned about how to finance the project. And people talking about other issues that the city has that are not being attended to
like streets, even though streets are slowly being attended to.
09:29:46 But based on the meeting, I know that the aquatics coalition made an effort to get a number of their members to attend.
09:29:55 To show support. There were there were a number of questions though asked by people in the crowd that the presenters didn't have answers to.
09:30:04 And it's like, oh, we have that data, but we just don't have it tonight or our consultants still putting that data together.
09:30:11 And I think that reduced the confidence of people in the audience about the project and it's like, what are you hiding?
09:30:18 Sentiments like that. And so they've made a really good effort to have public outreach, but I think more is needed.
09:30:25 Do you know how much a PFD would raise? I mean that we looked at before and is that being you know Part of the financing solution.
09:30:35 I'm not it couldn't stand alone. Well, you could do a 2 tenths sales tax.
09:30:37 And then you could do, an LTAC. Tax on lodging only on units.
09:30:44 Lodging facilities that have more than 40 units. Which would dramatically limit the number of lodging facilities that we don't have any.
09:30:55 Well, I, the, and I don't know how many VLAN has. I, the, I don't think the Bishop has that many.
09:31:03 I don't think the bishop has that many. Is it what title wigs? I don't think the bishop has that many.
09:31:07 Is it what tidal wigs more than Port Ludlow has. Yeah, I mean, total clay lock.
09:31:11 That was a question that we didn't know the answer to at the meeting. Like how many hotels would that be and how much would that raise?
09:31:14 But, but you're right. The PFD doesn't raise quite enough to get it done.
09:31:21 But there were many comments about people on fixed incomes. And how big would the bill be?
09:31:28 For somebody with an $800,000 home and that sort of thing. So still more work to do.
09:31:36 And the team is going to do it. So, I think they might be targeting February.
09:31:43 For ballot measure but I don't know yet. And then of course, Friday I was, doing the link thing.
09:31:51 Nice.
09:31:53 Alright, looks like Kate is maybe dropped off again.
09:31:59 Oh, she gave us a thumbs up, but I don't know when that was. Yeah.
09:32:06 No, I'm here. Hi.
09:32:06 Hello, Kate. Alright, I'm trying to remember where you were when you were so well let me let me finish public comment.
09:32:14 Okay.
09:32:16 I'll make one last call for public comment. Anyone that would like to make public comment that it was with this virtually can hit the raise hand button or star 9 if you're on
the phone.
09:32:25 And seeing then I will close public comment and turn it back over to you, Kate.
09:32:37 Yep.
09:32:32 Thank you. Yeah, road construction is complicating a lot of things these days. So I think I was, talking a little bit about SMP.
09:32:44 Did you hear what I said about the child care center that we're waiting to hear back from CDPG mid to late August.
09:32:47 Oh great.
09:32:49 And that, project to cost continues to increase and so there's not a clear path for how we would move forward if we don't get CDB cheese.
09:32:59 So anxiously awaiting that. And then was mentioning that the Association of Counties is having some.
09:33:07 Existential crises with the large counties feeling unrepresented and that their interests aren't being represented by the body.
09:33:17 And so we form a committee to see if we can change the bylaws in a way that are agreeable to the large counties so that they don't pull out.
09:33:24 Interesting and somewhat contentious conversations. Thanks Mark for filling in on the Aquatic Center.
09:33:33 Thursday. Had a workforce development council. Meeting in the morning. They are required to do strategic planning effort.
09:33:43 And, glad to hear that they are thinking about recompetes, which we'll be talking about later this afternoon, of course.
09:33:51 So more to come on that. And said had a fairgrounds meeting in the afternoon.
09:34:00 And let's see. Had the new manager at the programs meeting for the first time and that was great.
09:34:07 He's doing a really good job. Doing a lot of a number of kind of systems upgrades they're also dealing with a lot of theft at the campground there.
09:34:17 So we were able to brainstorm a little bit on how county is handling that and but I'd say, is, you know, really gearing up for the county fair and August needing fair amount
of help from volunteers.
09:34:32 If anyone wants to help out with any. Cleaning ups spursing up of the place.
09:34:36 Also hoping to do a big agricultural display so we get scored by the some state fair commissioners every year and one of the quite a few points allocated for agricultural display.
09:34:49 So if anyone's interested in, helping out with that. So it's a particular need that we have and the more points you get, the more funding you get from the state each year for
your fair.
09:34:59 So pretty important. And that was my week.
09:35:05 Great. Thank you very much. I guess what we have we have another 10Â min before our hearing maybe we can dive in a little.
09:35:16 I don't know how do you wanna look at this coming week? Traffic jammed right up.
09:35:23 Okay, so today I'm here with you guys of course and I'm not going to attend Wasack.
09:35:31 It sounds like Greg is gonna attend Wasack because that's one of their housing forum. I will as long as Kate doesn't want to.
09:35:40 And then tomorrow I have a meeting with DNR to talk about the letter we sent back to Commissioner France just with a staff person to talk about.
09:35:50 A larger meeting where who do we need from DNR and who do we need from the county team to participate in that meeting.
09:35:57 So that's just a. Planning meeting for the next meeting. We have a JTA board meeting tomorrow afternoon.
09:36:05 Public hearing.
09:36:09 And I have an MRC event in the evening. On Wednesday morning I have overlapping meetings with Aaron Berg from the port and also holding some time for meetings with landowners
in the phase one sewer boundary.
09:36:28 Then we have our 1030 strategic planning, regular meeting Wednesday morning. So I have Some overlapping conflicts on Wednesday morning, but I think though, I'm hoping they'll
work in themselves out.
09:36:40 And then Wednesday late afternoon we have our Chimcom community outreach meeting. At the Tri Area Community Center with the focus on the at 60'clock.
09:36:54 So I'm saying that out loud and looking at Roger. That would be a good meeting to attend Roger.
09:37:00 That's our Chimcombe community outreach meeting.
09:37:03 We've, scheduled a series of community outreach meetings in multiple communities around the county.
09:37:10 We've already had 2, we have I think 5 more planned. 6 more planned over the next few months.
09:37:18 So. It's a good opportunity for people to come and talk with, our staff.
09:37:26 Leaders. We have folks from most of the departments in the county who participate so It's a good one stop shop for any questions that citizens have.
09:37:39 And elected so our clerk won't be there. So you're gonna have to save your clerk questions until the
09:37:47 Then Thursday afternoon we have a board of health meeting. And then Friday morning. I have a potential I have overlapping meetings.
09:37:59 I have the Olympic Coast Sanctuary meeting. And then we also have a block of time held for our interviewing our next 4 H.
09:38:07 Coordinator candidates. So I've encouraged Bridget to reach out to you Mark to see if you're available Friday morning.
09:38:15 Umhm. To participate. Oh yeah, you're at the lake. Yeah, okay.
09:38:22 So I might just forgo the SAC meeting and do the 4 H interviews because I feel like that's where the rubber meets the road here in our community.
09:38:34 So. That's the week ahead. I think beyond that we'll get that DNR meeting scheduled.
09:38:44 And these we also have next week we're interviewing candidates for the grant coordinator for the county so to refilling Michael Marks role.
09:38:55 And then the 4 H role. And next week, I think, I believe, is it next week?
09:39:03 No, the week after. That are new, WSU. Director starts the first of August.
09:39:13 I don't know the answer to that one. Do you know Mark how robust the response was to the grant manager position?
09:39:21 2 internal and one external. And I think the internal candidate.
09:39:30 As potential.
09:39:34 Okay, great. Kate, you wanna take a look through, your schedule?
09:39:41 Sure, yeah. This is a busy week in the medical situation in my family. So I'm gonna be out of office a fair amount.
09:39:50 But. Let's see. Thank you to Mark. He's gonna be covering the recompute meeting, for all of us tomorrow since I will be gone and the of you will be at the Transit with the board
meeting.
09:40:06 On Wednesday, I will be at the community at each meeting in Thursday I will. Be able to attend the Board of Health meeting will be in the office all day that day.
09:40:18 Friday I have an Olympic consortium board. It's the elected oversight board for workforce development.
09:40:23 And then the county, coordination meeting with elected and, directors. And then have a meeting to get cut up on the headlong sewer on Friday afternoon.
09:40:37 That's my way.
09:40:39 I'm sorry, Kate, did you say you were planning on going to the county coordination meeting?
09:40:43 Isn't that one of our, quarterly I have on my calendar as the one that we all attend?
09:40:50 Oh, I don't think that we that's how we posted the agenda, but that's a good a good point.
09:40:58 Let's just check into that.
09:41:01 That's on my calendar. As such. So.
09:41:07 Maybe it's a holdover from when I was the staff person on that.
09:41:04 What's it? We do. What do you say? Yes.
09:41:18 And what time is that at? And 1130 to 1230 to one. Okay, now I have 4 overlapping conflicts though.
09:41:27 Wow, that's impressive.
09:41:29 Is Heidi, is it not on your calendar?
09:41:32 No, because I think I took it off because I was gonna be out of state, but.
09:41:36 Alright.
09:41:37 Yes, so we should reissue an invite. For those 4 meetings. So the board can plan on them.
09:41:47 Oh, I can be there at noon. Cause that, well, it'll be a little bit later than that, cause I'll be in person for the 4 H coordinator interviews.
09:41:56 Okay, and I'm gonna be have to be. Out pretty early because I am supposed to be on the radio at 1230 on Friday the 20 first.
09:42:06 Okay, I'll do mine quickly in the next couple of minutes here before hearing. So, I guess I'm going to this Wassac meeting at the lunchtime.
09:42:17 Nothing tonight. Tomorrow the eighteenth I have. Harmon, South County harm reduction meeting. As well as Jefferson Transit.
09:42:28 On Wednesday, pretty packed day with the left one. Disability board, a special meeting looking at as some particular a request for phones and then doing the bi-weekly anti-racist
class 10 And then I am doing a ride along with one of the The sheriff's deputy sergeant.
09:42:51 In the afternoon on Wednesday and then staying in the try area for the community outreach meeting where I believe I'm filling in for Mark right on the state of the county presentation
as well as presentations. And thank you for that. My pleasure.
09:43:09 It looks great. And then on Thursday, presentation as well as presentations. And thank you for that. My pleasure. It looks great.
09:43:15 And then on Thursday, agenda planning, since Mark will be at risk pool this week, right?
09:43:20 But I'll be here for the meeting on Monday. And then I'll be at the Board of Health.
09:43:24 And then I was invited out to the. American Legions board meeting on the evening of the twentieth.
09:43:30 So I'll be there. Physically on Friday our July BHASO meeting was cancelled so
09:43:40 Flexible morning and sharing the county coordination at 1130. And then I'm going on the radio with Nicole from Transit and I don't know we'll see tomorrow at the transit meeting
if she wants to ring anyone else as well and hopefully we'll be in person for that.
09:43:58 And that's my week. Mark, can you do a? Sure.
09:44:04 1Â min calendaring. I can do that. Okay, today. Well, yeah, I'm at risk pull from Wednesday through Friday.
09:44:11 So that takes care of 60% of the week. Today I'm with. The board all day so tomorrow is the only variable.
09:44:15 Tomorrow morning coffee with Mallory. At 7 30 my senior management team meeting at 90'clock.
09:44:23 Then of course the 2Â h meeting on the Recompete grant from one to 3. And then.
09:44:29 The Washington County Administrators Association mostly check-in with Wassack at 4. Right. Okay.
09:44:40 And I guess that Nicely done. You left us with 30 extra seconds, but we'll just.
09:44:47 Agenda here. We'll get ready for our hearing. So is Judy, you know, is she going to joining us in person? Oh, remotely.
09:44:57 Yes, she doesn't have a car today. So, gotcha. Okay. Let's bring her over as a panelist.
09:45:02 Let me see Judy.
09:45:06 See you there. Okay.
09:45:11 And I will. It is 9 45 by my clock here. So we will. Get going on this hearing. I will.
09:45:22 So we're having a hearing on the 2023Â s quarter budget appropriations and extensions with various county departments.
09:45:30 I will call this meeting to order and welcome everyone to this public hearing. Regarding 2023Â s quarter budget appropriations and extensions, public hearing is now open.
09:45:40 If you have joined this meeting via the phone and wish to provide hearing testimony, please stand the line and you will be provided an opportunity to speak during public testimony
or Zoom.
09:45:49 Before we open for public testimony, we will listen to a staff presentation. Finance manager Judy Shepherd is present virtually to give a presentation on this topic.
09:45:58 And with that, I will turn it over to you. Judy.
09:46:03 Okay, thank you. Good morning everybody.
09:46:05 Good morning.
09:46:07 Okay, so. Let me go ahead and share my screen.
09:46:20 And Judy, can you talk a little bit about as we get into this about the, The holiday, the health benefits holiday that's such a big impact here.
09:46:29 Yes, that's, that's actually was the first thing I wanted to talk about here.
09:46:36 So basically what it is is that, the health benefit, let me get over to the
09:46:41 Yeah, and we're seniors. Yeah. There you go.
09:46:45 Okay, so. So their health benefit holiday, was not taken into consideration with the original budget.
09:46:54 And so therefore we needed to increase benefits that are paid out by the funds to, include that through the end of the year.
09:47:04 And so, you're as you're looking at the summary before you right now, there is where it says personnel benefits this right in for you right now there is where it says personnel
benefits this right in through here.
09:47:21 There is where it says personnel benefits this right in through here, kind of spatter and it's gonna go all the way through the funds.
09:47:27 This right in through here, kind of spatter and it's gonna go all the way through the funds, and it's gonna go all the way through the funds, is, one of the biggest parts of
our appropriation.
09:47:29 And so therefore is really contributing to this. One time the increase of $886,105.
09:47:33 So.
09:47:33 Did you, can you hit the plus button once or twice so people can actually? Read that.
09:47:37 I can. So.
09:47:45 Okay.
09:47:50 Yeah, I'm in there.
09:47:43 It's a, yeah, there you go. Okay, that's good. Much better. Okay, and then scroll to the bottom if you would so we That's a pretty hefty price tag.
09:47:54 Yeah.
09:47:54 So it just shows it just shows you the magnitude of the holiday that we got and what 2022.
09:48:01 We were hopeful that it would be a. A longer holiday, but medical experience is what it is.
09:48:09 And that's really what drives whether we have a holiday or not.
09:48:12 And also, just so you know, our premium went up. Also, so that wasn't of course taken into consideration for the new year either.
09:48:23 So for 2023. So that wasn't of course taken into consideration for the new year either. So for 2023. So that was a combination.
09:48:29 For the new year either. So for 2023. So that was a combination. I don't know exactly what that percentage is.
09:48:34 So what I wanted to do with your permission is to go ahead and just kind of skip past the appropriations of how to do with the personnel benefits and just move into the ones
that we needed to that required a little bit more discussion if you're okay with that.
09:48:51 I think that would be great. But could you just say one or 2 more words about what the health benefit vacation?
09:48:58 So.
09:48:57 Means. I mean, we have a reality that I know that we are all comfortable with, but just for the public's benefit.
09:49:03 Understood. So we were able to as a county have a vacation of paying health benefits due to the amount of funds that was built up within sound health and wellness trust.
09:49:16 And so therefore they, were able to give us a vacation last year for paying those health benefits.
09:49:24 Until December of 22. Then the board accounting commissioners made a decision to go ahead and continue to pay, or, give that vacation to the employees for that for 2023 and
so the county has been actually paying for those premiums and will be paying for those premiums, and will be paying for them through the end of the
09:49:49 year. And we'll be paying for them through the end of the year. So this is something we've been paying, for them through the end of the year.
09:50:00 Yeah, and.
09:50:00 So this is something we've been paying, we're continuing to pay as a county And so that is the history behind it.
09:50:02 Right. And just a reminder, commissioners at the county always pays 85% of that premium and the employees pay 15.
09:50:10 So the 15% that that you as a board decided to. Continue paying because of the expectation amongst our employees that they would have a two-year holiday.
09:50:22 You felt it only fair that the county picked that up and and so the bulk of And the cost that you see here is our share.
09:50:34 15% of it is the employee share. Thanks. Yeah, and the health and wellness trust.
09:50:39 They try to maintain a balance and if the balance gets too large that's when a holiday is granted.
09:50:47 And then of course if the balance gets too low, that's when premiums go up.
09:50:54 Please continue, Judy.
09:50:56 Okay. Alright, so, the first appropriation here, looking at the at the summary here is an increase to County Administrator for a new HR analyst position going through the end
of the year.
09:51:15 And then let me go ahead and,
09:51:18 Let me go ahead and scroll down.
09:51:27 Yeah, there's.
09:51:28 Hey, Judy, can I ask you a question? This is Kate.
09:51:32 Yes.
09:51:33 Oh, would you rather questions as we go through these or do you wanna get through the presentation and then, few questions?
09:51:40 I'm happy to answer questions as we're working through it. I think that would probably be fine.
09:51:45 Great. Thank you.
09:51:46 Okay, so, this is for the an increased county administrator budget to provide resources and staffing to address Gaps in our Jefferson County Human Resources Program, due to
increased regulations, additional labor management as you know.
09:52:08 Our HR manager, Sarah Melisson, took on the bargaining units, collective bargaining unit negotiations this year.
09:52:14 So, you know, there's, quite a bit to do with that as you can well understand.
09:52:20 And so this is also to address HR and County priorities of employee engagement, and County priorities of employee engagement, recruiting, training, and all of that.
09:52:29 Where it talks. From their point of view of what the impact is of hiring this position.
09:52:42 Yeah, and commissioners later when we talk about the strategic plan. One of the strategic priorities that you had us work on to develop objectives and and metrics for was organizational
health and and this additional resource for HR is a part of that strategic priority.
09:53:04 Sort of fine tuning our performance management system. Dramatically improving our training. For new supervisors and so on.
09:53:13 It's also a risk management reduction strategy.
09:53:20 Okay, any questions about that?
09:53:23 Sounds good.
09:53:24 Okay, so I'm gonna jump down to. The sheriff.
09:53:39 And this is capital outlay, for car courts. That was not reflected in their original.
09:53:47 This was added to they're adding this to their budget. There also is some increase in the rents.
09:53:55 And leases for vehicles due to some unanticipated collision repair on vehicle. And then also, contracting medical services for the for the jail that was understated in the 2023.
09:54:13 Budget. So the increase to one time appropriation to the sheriff budget is a hundred $58,881.
09:54:27 So the next one that I'm gonna move on to is Superior Court. And, I just wanna say for superior court, I actually met with Judge Mac and Sophie, the administrator a couple of
months ago and once Judge Mac came into office he he basically in our meeting was saying, you know, things are gonna be
09:54:50 different in how we run superior court, with the change of a new judge. And so there was a lot of things that from what I understand.
09:55:00 And so there was a lot of things that from what I understand that Judge Harper was a lot of things that from what I understand that Judge Harper was his choice to do some A
lot of responsibilities himself.
09:55:06 Whereas also Judge Mac is, you know, the, you know there's more increase here to court commissioners.
09:55:15 He believes in using court commissioners and so that's part of his culture. The other thing is we have a lot of trials going on right now as you well know.
09:55:26 There's a lot of activity in superior court. So that's gonna lead to the additional.
09:55:32 Increase here for a site. Psychology, evaluation expert services, interpretation, guardian, so.
09:55:42 And then I think, I believe his travel was, fairly under budget. So, And I'm just noticed this.
09:55:53 I'm not sure why she has all negatives here, but maybe this is they anticipated where they're gonna have a shortfall.
09:55:59 So, So that the increase here is this is the column that we focusing on here. And then operating supplies, there were some new things that he required in his office.
09:56:13 Upon, his employment here. So. Any questions about that?
09:56:23 Yes.
09:56:20 Yeah, and Commissioner, you'll note these are one-time appropriations. Our hope is that they truly will be one time and that the spiking cases will moderate.
09:56:32 No, go on down. And he provide, they provided a well thought out, plan of what they needed.
09:56:41 And this was really, and I have to say, having,
09:56:48 Judge Matt looking at this looking at the numbers was, refreshing and I appreciated it.
09:56:53 The case better.
09:56:54 Heidi, you have a question. I mean, sorry, Kate.
09:56:58 Yeah, thank you. I guess to Mark's point, it seems like some of these will be ongoing expenses.
09:57:07 I was gonna ask if you have any idea of. What we might anticipate in terms of. Our budget cycle this fall.
09:57:16 You know, things like training for commissioners. I assume that that is somehow ongoing. And I do, I should step as if by saying I appreciate that.
09:57:21 There. Upgrades needed in Superior Court. I think it has, it has operated in very similar fashion and probably, you know, will better fit from some, modernization.
09:57:32 But, just, you know, what certain do we have that these will be one time versus ongoing?
09:57:41 Like the commissioners specifically, right?
09:57:45 Yeah, I mean, I think that more and more there is a demand for more expert witness, a demand for more expert witness, testimony, like I think in some this reflects the way that
the criminal justice system is moving too.
09:58:00 And just wonder if they need to be in a base in ourselves for these being ongoing past. And then that begs the question for me, is county responsible for these ongoing or does
this take any of these?
09:58:14 I mean like and if you read this the memo that was put together the expert services area says expert services have increased dramatically.
09:58:25 Defense attorneys routinely use experts in their defense. There's no indication of this practice waning.
09:58:33 So that you know, underscores that these may be ongoing. Expenses.
09:58:46 Right. And you know, they'll be submitting their biennial budget here in the relatively near future.
09:58:51 So we'll have a better idea of what Judge Max thinking is.
09:58:58 Well, just the fact I think that, you know, therefore during COVID and all that we didn't have court.
09:59:06 And so we were they were routinely under budget. And so now, you know, it was mentioned here under the commissioners area that they are working through a backlog.
09:59:14 Of cases that need to go to trial. But we're delayed due to COVID. So I feel like maybe some of this will go away once that backlog can be reduced.
09:59:27 But right now that's what they're dealing with out there.
09:59:30 Totally makes sense.
09:59:33 They didn't see now online and they thought well they were well thought out. It wasn't just putting some numbers and throwing a few sentences in there.
09:59:44 They did quite a bit of work on this. So, I think they're very and you're right.
09:59:52 You'll have an opportunity also in a meeting with them during the biennial budget process to talk about that as well.
10:00:01 Okay, I'll go ahead and move on. So the next area in question, that's all for the general fund.
10:00:13 So the next area in question is fund 1 23 where we have Hold on, I'm getting there.
10:00:24 This is all personnel benefits.
10:00:33 Not just weed, had a new vehicle purchase. That was for 31,000.
10:00:42 Currently, you know, there's no issue with their fund or their fund balance. Evidently the vehicle they had, I mean, the, Hey, I'm trying to remember her name off the top of
my head.
10:00:53 So.
10:00:56 Yes, and, she was talking to what she had to go through just a hall noxious weeds.
10:01:04 Yeah.
10:01:03 It was a mini man and so she'd had to fill the back of the van with all these functions wings and she had to.
10:01:09 And then she's breathing all this noxious mean pollen. It's just like, oh my goodness.
10:01:25 Yeah, a truck.
10:01:16 So she definitely provided an explanation to me live and they kind of gave me a clear picture. Yeah, a track.
10:01:28 Exactly.
10:01:27 And this vehicle will become part of the, ERNR fleet and then they'll pay rent on it.
10:01:33 In the years to come.
10:01:37 And there's her explanation for it as well.
10:01:41 Alright, so.
10:01:45 Moving down here. This is so. This is the.
10:01:52 The CDBG CV grant and this is the COVID grant. A couple of things is, the grant began in 2020 20 to 2,020 due to COVID response and there's been 2 amendments to this agreement.
10:02:10 But, and that was to increase the ground from 100,000 to a total grant amount of 321,000 that had never been done.
10:02:18 And then, the expiration of the grant has been. Extended to the end of the year.
10:02:26 So this is good news for Ollie, the just because they hadn't had a chance to use all the funds they will have an extend period to use the funds.
10:02:36 And a lot of this goes to, Mill Road. Just so you know is the expenditures that are being reported against this grant are for Mail Road.
10:02:49 So, you know, that's being done there. So this is just to get our budget up to date with what our contracts are.
10:02:57 For C to BG.
10:03:02 Alrighty. We move on. So the next one to talk about is. On 1 43 DCB.
10:03:12 So, and the hats off to Chelsea, their new administrator there. She is She's just really jumping in there with 2 feet and it's really appreciated.
10:03:25 The, This is to bring all the contracts correct into the budget. So there's contracts for grants.
10:03:36 There's contracts for work that's planned that had not been in their budget before. So even though these numbers look big at this point, it's this is the one time we're gonna
have to do this for this year is what I'm hoping.
10:03:49 So, this judgement settlement, revenue coming in. I think you're where a pleasant harbor.
10:03:59 It has to do with that. These are 2 grants here that had to be. Shoreline.
10:04:07 F, and then Shoreline User Guide. Those are 2 brands that had to be brought in line and then the Ecology C level rise grant as well.
10:04:18 So there are those there. And then the related expenditures that go with all that work.
10:04:28 The contracts for professional services for per meeting. And Mark, if I know you've had a lot of work with Josh on our director on this, if there's.
10:04:40 I don't have a lot of backstory on this so if you can provide some backstory if you feel like you need to.
10:04:48 Feel free to jump in.
10:04:49 Right. As you know, commissioners, we've had staffing issues in DCD. In addition, the site development review and legal lot of record processes.
10:05:00 Inflicted new requirements on staff and so we had a perfect storm in DCD that we've addressed in 2 ways.
10:05:06 One. By reorganizing the department and recruiting new talent and Chelsea who Judy just mentioned is one of those new talented folks that we've brought on.
10:05:19 Staff, and in addition to Nicki, the code compliance officer and Greg Ballard. And making, feel sincere our fire marshal, building official.
10:05:27 The the second, in that attack was to, issue an RFP for Consultants to help us with building permits and with development applications.
10:05:41 And, staff has conducted interviews with a number of firms and will be bringing contracts to you. For your consideration and some of the budget you see here is to service those
contracts if you choose to approve them.
10:05:56 Right. And. Classical questions about this one too. A lot in here.
10:06:04 The judge the settlement the closing harbor the first one. That's like the second half of the negotiated fees, right?
10:06:13 So when the settlement agreement was reached, the first 84,000 was due and then a staffing agreement was required.
10:06:22 For the second half payment. And that agreement was reached that I mean quite some well a month and a half ago or so.
10:06:30 So they're a little tardy and we've received both checks by the way. So they were a bit tardy.
10:06:33 But, hats off to Mr. Hunsucker for the Yeoman work he performed and getting that those agreements, consummated.
10:06:41 Great. Thanks. And my other question. Right away is about the shoreline user guide.
10:06:46 It just it's I'm astonished to see how much it was. I know we were rushing through that to get the grant to pay for it.
10:06:56 Right. It's revenue neutral. Yeah, I think, Josh went in for additional funding and I do believe it was revenue neutral or budget.
10:07:09 No, so that this is maybe supplementary funding to complete the shoreline user guide.
10:07:14 Yeah, and I we can follow up with Josh on that. I believe there. They applied for it, but I don't know if they've received that yet.
10:07:24 So that would be something that, Josh might be.
10:07:27 Yeah, I know. I know that they pursued additional grant funding on a number of grants and they were successful when obtaining it.
10:07:33 Right.
10:07:34 And you know the end of the state biennium certainly helped and bringing that money on board. Great, thank you.
10:07:46 Okay. And there's another page here with just couple more things on it. A few more expenditures.
10:07:56 Currently, their fund balance is able to, accommodate this. Actually there The revenues for permitting and all that is looking really healthy and is on track.
10:08:10 And so we don't anticipate any. Problem with supporting those expenditures.
10:08:20 Okay, and then. The last one is facilities where they have.
10:08:30 Yeah, this is a position that's been funded for a number of years in a variety of ways and
10:08:37 Converting it to an FDE is, is clearly needed and it's been afforded and it's included in our rates and all of that.
10:08:46 So this is pretty much a pro forma event.
10:08:53 Okay.
10:08:54 So Judy, you're not you're not gonna scroll through all the salary and benefits changes.
10:08:59 You covered those up front on the summary sheet and commissioners do you need to see the amounts?
10:09:04 In detail. They're available in the packet and I like the rum and that's why I wanted to preamble it so I appreciate this presentation.
10:09:13 I think it's good. Any other questions? Kate and Heidi before we open the hearing for testimony.
10:09:17 Nope, I appreciate all the detail too. It looks good to me.
10:09:21 Okay, it looks like Commissioner Dean is. Offline once more but we will soldier on So maybe you can stop sharing your screen, Judy.
10:09:30 Oh, sorry.
10:09:32 No problem. And with that as your elected officials, we want to hear your testimony on this issue. Your testimony will help inform our deliberations of decisions.
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testimony for up to 3Â min.
10:11:05 Thank you. Morning, commissioners, for the record, Tom Tears, resident of Jefferson County.
10:11:11 I wanted to comment on the appropriation for the noxious weed board there need for a truck.
10:11:20 I appreciate the explanation from from Judy Shepherd. Very, interesting and, graphic.
10:11:28 Description of why they need a vehicle. My concern is that the they're planning to buy a conventional powered vehicle.
10:11:37 An ice internal combustion engine vehicle and that, you know, flies in the face of the direction that we're all supposed to be going and especially.
10:11:46 Government agencies, you know, we've got a state mandate to convert the fleet to, you know, battery powered vehicles, either.
10:11:56 Pure battery or plug-in hybrids. And, yes, the mandate only applies to state agencies, but it's interesting the fact that, was mentioned by Mr. McCauley that apparently this
vehicle will then be turned over to DNR somehow as part of their fleet.
10:12:13 So I'm not even sure. They'd be able to use a conventionally powered vehicle without putting in some sort of exception form that they have to do in order to buy something other
than an electric vehicle.
10:12:24 So, I would suggest a couple of, possible stopgap measures to avoid buying an ice truck at this time.
10:12:33 How about a lease for say 3 years until a number of the battery power to pick up trucks which are just now becoming available become more you know readily available and the
prices are dropping rapidly.
10:12:47 How about, Well, yeah, I guess that's the best alternative I can suggest.
10:12:54 Or at least by used one something that you're gonna get rid of in a few years. By use truck because Yeah, we clearly want to reduce emissions everywhere possible.
10:13:05 Also the idea of an internal combustion engine with hot catalytic converters running around in the weeds.
10:13:11 Creating a risk of wildfires? Not a good idea. Battery powered vehicles don't have catalytic converters.
10:13:20 They don't produce sparks like that. So, something else to consider. So I would just request and suggest that this purchase be re-considered in light of the need to.
10:13:32 Purchase. Properly powered vehicles. Thank you.
10:13:38 Thank you, Mr. Tears. We'll respond and ask for clarification from staff after we get all of our public testimony.
10:13:45 Would anyone else like to make a testament, give testimony on this? Second quarter budget appropriation hearing that we're in.
10:13:51 Love to hear from you. You can hit star 9.
10:13:56 The raise if you're on the phone or raise hand if you're in the Zoom room with us.
10:14:03 Or your physical hand if you're in the actual room with us. I'll make one more call when anyone else like to make testimony on this hearing.
10:14:10 We would love to hear from you.
10:14:13 Okay, well with that I'll leave the hearing open for just a moment as we. Process this. I don't know.
10:14:22 I saw Chris walk in too. Do we want to hear from staff about Mr. Teresa's testimony?
10:14:27 It's I had this similar questions and came to a different resolution. Sure. I'll close the public hearing.
10:14:37 And, and we'll start to make deliberations. So I'll close the public hearing.
10:14:43 So regarding, Mr. Tears's comment about turning the vehicle over to DNR.
10:14:48 I think maybe I mumbled earlier. When I said that once the vehicle is acquired, it will be become part of the equipment revolving fund, which is the ERNR fund equipment.
10:15:02 Replacement and revolving some combination of those words. And that's the mechanism by which we charge.
10:15:11 Departments rent for vehicles that are in the program so that we can replace them at the end of their useful life.
10:15:18 Regarding exploring alternatives buying a used truck or maybe a dual fuel vehicle or something of those along those lines.
10:15:26 Should you appropriate the funds to require a new truck we can certainly investigate alternatives? But at least the budget authority will be there.
10:15:36 A used truck is not a bad idea. I know the vehicle that they've been using for a number of years.
10:15:43 Was a repurposed vehicle that they obtained from the fleet a number of years ago.
10:15:48 Now, the Ford 1 50 lightning I think is a $75,000 truck currently and I don't know how fast the prices are coming down but certainly as stewards of government resources we have
to balance.
10:16:01 Greenhouse emissions with the cost of government and so we will certainly do that and Chris manages the ER and our fund through Lou Johnson and I'm sure he agrees with everything
I just said.
10:16:13 Okay, anything to add Chris?
10:16:16 . Okay. We're doing a presentation on the with the RR. Right.
10:16:22 We did ask, for Chris to bring an ER in our presentation back to the board just because it is something that we don't talk a lot about but.
10:16:37 Throughout our family and different departments that all are managed by 1 point and I think talking about electrification in that.
10:16:46 And there is a program underway to electrify the fleet where it's feasible and practical.
10:17:07 So, an explanation of how the $125 shop rate was arrived at, would certainly be illuminating for the board.
10:17:14 Okay, thoughts questions? I had the same at Independent questions coming up in my head like is there any a sense this vehicle that she's currently using was a surplus vehicle
before.
10:17:28 Are there any surplus? I drive by the shop a lot because I live out there, right?
10:17:33 And so I see cars sitting there and I don't know if there are any trucks. Sitting there that could be used.
10:17:38 But I'm sure you'll look into that. So. That was my one question.
10:17:43 Is do we have something that would already be workable? Great. I see you have your hand up.
10:17:49 Yeah, can you hear me all right?
10:17:50 We can hear you great right now.
10:17:53 Oh good. Every time I go to speak, I drops down to one bar somehow. So I also have the same consider a question, you know, it's a great opportunity to be revisiting the idea
of of how this works towards electrifying our fleet.
10:18:18 Sorry, we're losing you again. Kate, I think Matt Stewart was about the last.
10:18:13 And when Matt Stewart. Okay. Better.
10:18:25 Word that you had. So. Maybe just pause for a moment and we'll Come back to you.
10:18:31 Is better. I don't know.
10:18:39 Okay.
10:18:35 It's not. But there's digital artifacts. So give it another minute. We'll keep this open until you get into a place that you can, deliberate with us coherently.
10:18:47 Yeah, and can be sure. I'd like to. Correct the record, that Mr. Tears ever so diligent went to DES, the Department of Enterprise Services at the state and they're they're apparently
so state contract where we could buy a Ford F 1 50 for 41,000.
10:19:02 Which is 10,000 more or so than we are asking for but certainly a lot less than I quoted.
10:19:08 I don't know if it's a lightning, probably not a light.
10:19:12 They're not really, but there's a link. I didn't open the link. I'm just taking.
10:19:19 But I don't think that's the lightning and I mean it's I was glad to have the The clarification as to the white man.
10:19:25 Oh wow. Really? Yeah. Wow.
10:19:29 Well, they pursue that. Appropriate more if 230 miles of standard range 300 with extended range battery.
10:19:42 You want to add 10 grand to the appropriation request?
10:19:45 Well, let us know. I mean, if it's even an option. We don't have another opportunity to add to the request really in a timely fashion, we don't have another opportunity to add
to the request really in a timely fashion to add to the request really in a timely fashion do we?
10:19:58 No, you could, you could approve, subject to, a change to that particular request.
10:20:03 Maybe making an even 50 so we have Weiggle room. Hmm. If you're not comfortable with that, we can always.
10:20:13 I know they need the new vehicle and they would like it now. Sophie's experience when.
10:20:19 Noxious weeds inside the van. And test the season too. I mean, they, yeah, they need it now.
10:20:27 Could I could I jump in? I should have good service now.
10:20:30 We can hear you clearly right now.
10:20:31 Great. Thank you. Yeah, I think I would be fine with improving, increasing the appropriation right now.
10:20:40 You know, the charging infrastructure obviously is a whole other conversation, where this people's gonna live and you know the cost of bringing in charging infrastructure.
10:20:51 But I would really instead of doing these one by one I really love to where we you know have a form where every time purchasing a new vehicle.
10:20:59 We do a life cycle cost too because even if it's costing more in the short term these vehicles last a lot longer and their operations and maintenance costs are considerably
lower.
10:21:10 So, I think it's a great time to be having those conversations and. And I would be fine with this purchase being the, guinea pig for that.
10:21:20 Yeah, and, I think Chris mentioned a workshop on the revolving fund and that would be a great time.
10:21:26 To address, the suggestions and concerns that you have. Absolutely. Great. So yeah, we'll talk about life cycle costs included in the ERR when we have our presentation and Goodness,
I am very skeptical that, you can just order.
10:21:44 Yeah, that's $41,000 F 1 50 lightning and get it delivered in time, but I'm happy to.
10:21:52 Well, we can certainly do the research and you know, DES is a statewide service right of I think it's the commerce department and they they have purchasing power and can negotiate
contracts and maybe get discounts that would otherwise not be available.
10:22:11 So if we wanted to make a change to that one line item, we would. Add more budget authority with some.
10:22:20 Direction the direction does not have to be in scans in the resolution or anything I assume yeah Judy could you call up the the request by Sophie so we can see the dollar
10:22:34 It was currently budgeted for 2,000 and it's. One time appropriation for 30. 31.
10:22:38 Am I able to? Okay, sorry. No, I don't think so. Oh.
10:22:45 I can. I've got it right here.
10:22:49 Okay.
10:23:01 Oh, I passed it.
10:23:04 There it is. Right. So as part of the motion commissioners, when do you make a motion to approve the supplemental?
10:23:11 The resolution. You can make the approval subject to a change to make that item 50,000 versus what was requested.
10:23:23 Okay, and everyone. We don't have to in the motivation for that change in our. Resolution or our motion.
10:23:33 No, it's part of the record today. Yeah.
10:23:35 And it's just the authority. So if it does not make sense for, you know, matter of timing or something that, you know, it's not committing to any particular purchase.
10:23:48 Right. And you know, she might have to drive in and park it at the courthouse to charge it.
10:23:54 And so then we get a charging station on site at at the fleet office or just go to the library, right?
10:24:04 Okay, great. Well, I think we are probably ready for a motion unless there's other issues that folks want to talk about.
10:24:13 I appreciate the detail Judy and putting this together. It's all very understandable. So thank you for that.
10:24:22 23Â s quarter budget appropriations and extension as proposed. Except for the One item we discussed. Which is fund 109 and increasing the amount.
10:24:39 For Fun One On 9 Noxious Weeds for the new vehicle line. From 31,000 to 50,000.
10:24:51 I have a second.
10:24:53 Okay, that's been moved and seconded. Any last thoughts or questions conversation?
10:25:01 Let us know what you find out. I mean, if there's a vehicle she can use for and tell this new thing.
10:25:08 Magic truck shows up. Yeah, we'll have to teach her how to moderate the gas pedal because those electric vehicles can accelerate very, very quick.
10:25:20 Okay, it's been moved and seconded to approve the resolution with one modification for the noxious weeds, increasing that.
10:25:27 Request from 31,000 to $50,000 budget capacity All in favor of the motion on the floor indicate by saying aye.
10:25:34 Hi.
10:25:35 Any opposed? All right, that is unanimous. Thanks to everyone's work on that and the comments, the testimony that received.
10:25:43 Moving public policy.
10:25:45 Alright, thank you.
10:25:47 Thanks Judy. Don't go away though.
10:25:49 I'm not. I'm right here.
10:25:51 So I mess with you now. Oh, we're doing, yeah, we've got an executive session at 1030.
10:26:01 So Judy, you can leave. Maybe.
10:26:06 Oh, she's listed on it. Are you planning to come back for the budget conversation?
10:26:12 I was, yes.
10:26:13 Okay, well we'll plan on 11. We'll at least have to come out of our executive session to indicate whether we need to extend but check back in with us at 11 and we'll try to
pick that up at that point.
10:26:24 Okay, sounds good. Thank you.
10:26:26 Thanks so much Judy. All right, we're gonna take a 5Â min break come well 4Â min 4Â min recess we'll come back at 1030 and we will go into an executive session.
10:31:34 For that exact session.
10:31:38 I don't have to hit it because I'm here with you.
10:31:45 You say we're bet. There we are. Okay. Welcome back.
10:31:50 We're coming back at a recess and we are going to go into executive sessions. So we're going into executive session with the chief, the County Administrator and Chief Deputy
Prosecuting Attorney and Human Resources Director regarding potential litigation exemplary exemptions outlined in the Open Public Meetings Act.
10:32:08 RCW, 42, 30 dot 100, and 10 parentheses one, parentheses, I, we're going in at 1032 to come out at 1102.
11:03:30 Hello, I will we'll come out of the executive session and we need to extend for another 15Â min.
11:03:39 So we are going to go back into executive session at 1104 until 1119 and as a reminder this is an executive session with the County Administrative Session with the County Administrator,
Chief Civil Deputy, and as a reminder, this is an executive session with the County Administrator, Chief Civil, and as a reminder, this is an executive session with the County Administrator,
Chief
11:03:54 Civil Deputy Prosecuting Attorney and Human Resources Director, regarding potential litigation exemption as outlined in the Open Public Meetings Act RCW, 42 dot 30 dot 1 10
parentheses one parentheses I.
11:04:03 Again, we'll go add in at, I guess, 1104 and come out at 1119.
11:21:04 Alrighty.
11:21:08 Welcome back. We are returning from executive session with no action taken and. Moving at 1121 a minute or too late and we'll return to our normal agenda which we had to push
the conversation with Mark and Judy about objectives and procedures for the 2425 county budget so we will pick that
11:21:35 up i don't know still getting back into the meeting if Judy's here but oh Judy's already there alright, you wanna Mark?
11:21:45 Are you gonna pay this off? I'm still signing back open to the
11:21:48 How did you do that so quickly?
11:22:09 Recording and progress.
11:22:20 Okay, are you ready? I think we're ready. Okay, are you gonna lead us off Mark?
11:22:26 Yes sir. Yeah this is my baby and thanks to Judy and Brenda Huntingford and Stacey Prider for help.
11:22:33 Defining the parameters. You know, it's a 5 page document, I think, but I think I can summarize the guidance pretty quickly for you commissioners.
11:22:46 Of course the big item in any budget is personal costs and our standard practice is to incorporate pay adjustments in consummated bargaining unit agreements when we issue budgets
to departments.
11:23:02 We have one agreement that was ratified by the membership and that's a UFCW and they still have to secure a signature and we still need need legal and risk review and then board
approval.
11:23:16 But that agreement calls for, a 3% increase in 2024 and a 2% increase in 2025 and that is what we are going to put in the salary projections that Judy will do in Munis the salary
projections that Judy will do in Munis this time rather than using the
11:23:33 clunky Excel spreadsheet salary schedules that Judy will do in Munis this time rather than using the clunky Excel spreadsheet salary schedules that we used to use.
11:23:39 And that hopefully Judy's successful in using that functionality and Munis. That will also apply to our exempt work force, which is our standard practice to have exempt pay
mirror that of UFCW.
11:23:52 We're still negotiating with 3 other bargaining units and we do not know what we're gonna settle on with those units.
11:23:59 But it's highly likely that those agreements will mirror the UFCW agreement. And so that's what's in the guidance.
11:24:07 In the absence of agreements. However, we will only include step increases, which is typical practice.
11:24:15 So that's the bulk of the budget. And my focus typically is on general fund and that's what it is this morning also.
11:24:26 Non salary and benefit budgets in the general fund. II spoke to Judy Stacy and Brenda and I originally floated the idea of no increase in non salary and benefits budgets.
11:24:40 And I was greeted with a unified response saying that doesn't make any sense. And so still here.
11:24:48 Pardon me? Inflation is still here. Yeah, inflation is still here and we do know that there are nondiscretionary things that increase like software maintenance agreements and
so on.
11:24:58 And so much like we did for the mid byennium review and modification, we're going to increase the non salary and benefits budgets by 1.5%.
11:25:08 And then, we will work with staff in the departments and monitor performance. And we'll consider increases during supplemental budget appropriation opportunities as we execute
the budget and of course when they're submitting their budgets they can always ask for increases and justify them.
11:25:30 Another item is transfers from the general fund to other departments and we have a number of departments that receive transfers to include W.
11:25:39 Extension, Parks and Recreation. Public health and community development. We also, transfer money to.
11:25:50 To public works. That transfer. By long standing agreement, is to make up.
11:26:02 On the secure rural schools, revenue received by public works. A transfer of pilt revenue to reach a certain predetermined level that increases 3% per year and I'm recommending
that we increase that again by 3%.
11:26:18 All other transfers, however, are gonna remain at the 2023 level. And any department that wishes to secure an increase in a transfer.
11:26:28 Needs to comply with the general fund assistance policy that the board approved I think in 2022.
11:26:37 Lastly, The board reduced the road fund diversion. In each of the 2 years of the current budget from 720,000 to 622 and to 620 this year.
11:26:53 Because of what we're doing for compensation. I've spoken with Money and I've asked if we can sort of pause.
11:26:59 The any further reduction in the diversion and he agreed. And I asked him for statistics.
11:27:11 I think when we began the reduction process, Money shared some statistics showing that we were like the third of 39.
11:27:19 And we were taking, I don't know, 14%. Of their property tax revenues and into the general fund with the reduction to 620.
11:27:32 We are now, I think, thirteenth. So we've moved towards the center. We're still on the top third.
11:27:38 But I committed to Money that when we see how the general fund is doing in 2024 when we do the mid biennium review we can maybe consider another $50,000 production in the diversion
and he was he understood that and thought it was just fine.
11:27:56 So those are the big, parameters that we're asking the board to approve today so that we can put the budget call out and incorporate this guidance into that budget call.
11:28:07 So with that, Judy, have I missed anything?
11:28:12 Sounds good.
11:28:14 Great. Thanks for the detail. Okay, D any questions or comments?
11:28:20 I appreciate the thorough agenda request and then the actual draft resolution has a lot of detail on it that's super helpful so I don't have any outstanding questions.
11:28:35 Yeah, I appreciate the assumptions that went into it, the uncertainty of economic indicators right now. Making it hard to know how to budget but expressing our priority of increasing.
11:28:49 Yeah.
11:28:45 Wages for our employees and leaving the door open if there are revenues for. board priorities. One question I have is.
11:28:58 Do we anticipate there being? Because of the number of vacancies we've seen and had a hard time filling in the county.
11:29:08 Do you anticipate that? We will be come under budget in a number of departments. For 2023 And,
11:29:18 Yeah, that's a really good question. On our home page, we have an employment.
11:29:27 Button and it lists all the vacancies and and I'm a routine visitor to that feature on our home page.
11:29:36 And we have like 10 vacancies were announcing, or that we're recruiting for and you know, in spite of all the talk about having difficulty.
11:29:48 Attracting employees. We're down from 26 vacancies and now we have about 10.
11:29:56 So the salary savings that we could previously count on. I don't think you're gonna materialize in any.
11:30:02 Large way this year. And you know, vacancies are being filled on relatively short timeframes.
11:30:10 And so, so no, Kate, II think we're gonna hue to the salary and benefits budget pretty closely.
11:30:18 And compared to years past.
11:30:21 Okay, thank you.
11:30:25 Okay, I don't have any questions. I think you laid it out all pretty well. So we have a resolution in front of us in the matter of establishing objectives and procedures for
the 2425 biennial budget.
11:30:37 In the matter of establishing objectives and procedures for the 2024 25 by annual budget.
11:30:51 Then moves. I will second it. Any further questions?
11:30:55 Sorry, hard time getting to the mute button.
11:31:01 Thank you. Yep.
11:30:59 That's all right. I took care of that. But stay unmuted. Any questions or comments?
11:31:06 Okay, hearing n10, it was there wasn't a public comment with this, right? Okay.
11:31:15 Hi.
11:31:13 All in favor of the motion on the floor indicate by saying aye. Hi, a post. All right, that is unanimous.
11:31:20 Great. So, kind of a similar topic. We're gonna talk a little bit about the, SRS monies, Title One, Title 2 and Title 3, much as we did.
11:31:31 I think it was last year we made this, I think it was last year we made this, we did, I think it was last year we made the first 3, much as we did, I think it was last year
we made the first significant change. So pretty refreshing memory.
11:31:37 Right. And thank you, Commissioner Brotherton. So after years and years of never being asked this question, we are now being asked it appears annually.
11:31:44 And so for the benefit of the, in this. Quite honestly, this agenda request is a pretty close copy of last year's.
11:31:55 The only variation here is that we have a second choice to make. And that's whether to seek payment using actual numbers or using a 7 year rolling average.
11:32:06 And working with Stacy, I pray to our treasurer. Her recommendation in mine is that we choose the full payment rather than The 7 year old.
11:32:19 Oh, great. What do you know? Inter stage left. Come on up. You consider the table.
11:32:23 Grab a microphone though. I didn't know you were back. Oh yeah. I was not using your name in vain.
11:32:31 I was saying that you and I spoke about this matter. And. Okay.
11:32:40 That's less tech than I thought. Yeah, and so, we're, being asked if we wanna modify the, SRS secure rural schools distribution between titles 1 2 and 3.
11:32:53 From the 80 20. Wait a minute, what are we? We're at 8, 5, 15, 2, whether we wanna change that.
11:33:02 And, we didn't want to change it last year and we remain steadfast that that's distribution works fine for us.
11:33:11 And Money, Reiners, our Public Works Director agrees with that and Stacy, I believe you do as well.
11:33:17 And so we're recommending that we do the status quo hold on that and continue the distribution as it exists currently.
11:33:23 And as I was saying, now that Stacey's here, I'll repeat it. That she believes like I do that using the the full SRS payment.
11:33:36 Is the way to go rather than the 7 year rolling average of annual receipts. And the difference I think is in the hundreds of families.
11:33:54 Startling. It was like at 1.6 million versus a $382,000 actual it is yeah and we don't get all that because T one I think is distributed to a number of agencies.
11:34:14 That's one of which is distributed to a number of agencies, one of which is, districts. Yeah, but our, our receipts have been, in the $400,000 range.
11:34:18 Yeah, but our, our receipts have been, in the $400,000 range and I had a spreads I don't think I saved it, but I just, I went back and looked at the.
11:34:22 The actual receipts and compared it to the rolling average and we collect almost twice as much under the actual versus the 7 year rolling.
11:34:30 So the the 85% is the 800,000 or so and what they said on the rolling average would be the full SRS payment amount would be the 3 82 so that would be one.
11:34:48 It was very confusing, but also Such a big number it seems like it didn't really. Investigation.
11:34:57 Yeah, it's not a close call. Sorry, no, I don't have a question on this topic.
11:35:10 I haven't. Another topic within the topic. Can we just, outline real quick for the public's benefit.
11:35:13 Can we just, outline real quick for the public's benefit what we've talked about a little bit about, can we just, outline real quick for the public's benefit what we've talked
about a little bit about, Title One, Title 2 goes to the Recreation Advisory Committee, the
11:35:21 RACK, which I might have to, I was appointed to the rack, but they keep scheduling the meetings on Monday.
11:35:26 So I might have to I was appointed to the rack, but they keep scheduling the meetings on Monday.
11:35:28 So I might have to actually step off of that, just sitting there for a couple of years.
11:35:35 Yeah, and title 3. We're grateful for title 3. Those are the funds that we've accumulated for a number of years that we're using.
11:35:41 To pay our contractor to help us prepare a community wildfire protection plan. And we do have a little money.
11:35:49 Left in that fund and I think I'm much Heidi is suggesting that we buy a piece of equipment.
11:35:55 For search and rescue. Search and rescue. They've done that in their counties with with Title 3.
11:36:08 Seems like an obvious spend is I mean how much did we have surplus or do we not know because we're not through the community wildfire production plan.
11:36:15 CWPP is about 165,000. I could look up very quickly while Heidi's bringing up the other topic.
11:36:22 How much we have. At our disposal in that fund. Yeah. So how do you work?
11:36:30 Well, as part of our, last call. Jefferson Search and Rescue put a funding request to us.
11:36:37 Asking for help in acquiring a vehicle for their use. And you know, I think it scored pretty high.
11:36:43 It was one of the ones that. If we'd had enough, a little bit more money and they would have gotten some funding.
11:36:50 So I just said. At a Wasack meeting, I think it was WASsack. Full meeting or another, subcommittee of Wasack I asked.
11:36:58 Have counties use Title 3 for search and rescue. Just cause I didn't know the answer and a number of them said yes.
11:37:05 So, I think it's a great idea to use. Yeah. Try to make that happen.
11:37:15 And so my only question about Title 3 is we have this. 85, 13, 5, 2%.
11:37:22 And we've been accumulating Title 3 for I mean, a decade plus, are we gonna have other title 3 type?
11:37:32 Needs. Never had any. It sat there unused for so long. Right.
11:37:40 But I just, you know, it's gonna take a long time to accumulate. Anything that we could do a significant project with.
11:37:49 I mean, I think that's we changed it only last year, I think from 80 2010, right?
11:37:56 Was it? Or 80, 80, 80, no, What, 85? Yeah. It was very small shift if it has been over the last 15 years or so.
11:38:13 Alright, so currently in our investment account in the title 3 fund we have a hundred $82,910.
11:38:21 So once we service the contract. There's gonna be about 15 left. Not enough to buy a vehicle, but certainly enough to Maybe help.
11:38:34 Our reserve policy typically is 10% of expenditures. 10% of 167 is 16. So the 16 or so that will be left in here would need to stay as a reserve.
11:38:48 Which is in this case kind of, because any money we don't spend by the end of 25, I think we have to remit.
11:39:04 And give a little bit more to title 3 so that we replenish that fund.
11:39:10 Since the title 2 projects haven't been funded for a while anyway. And do we know what the there are a C has done with the monies they've received?
11:39:22 They've been had staffing issues. So there's a meeting coming up on August fourteenth that I can't attend staffing issues.
11:39:28 So there's a meeting coming up on August fourteenth that I can't attend because it's a Monday and we're also at a conference.
11:39:29 And we're also at a and we're also at the conference the transit conference and then on and that's just kind of Monday and we're also at the conference the transit conference
and then on, and that's just kind of to reconstitute the rack and they've got staffing for it now.
11:39:38 And that's just kind of to reconstitute the rack and they've got staffing for it now, Jennifer.
11:39:39 And then in September on a Monday I can't remember which Monday but on Monday when we have a meeting they have their second one so I think they are going to do funding for the
monies that are in there now.
11:39:53 So Stacey, do you know who the custodian of Title 2 monies is or those monies?
11:40:05 Yes. So if we were to. Would we do that without coordinating with them saying, hey, we're gonna cut your share?
11:40:13 I don't know if there are any political ramifications there or whether we would need to coordinate.
11:40:19 Or looking what other counties ratios are. It would be interesting. I mean, It just feels like there's gonna be more opportunity in the future around these fire prevention fire
remedy activities that we.
11:40:31 Might have locally. Well, the implementation of the community wildfire. Exactly. And implementation might include establishing firewall. Exactly.
11:40:40 And implementation might include establishing firewise plans. Exactly. And implementation might include establishing fire wise plans and those expenditures would be fundable
under title 3.
11:40:47 It just feels like to me it feels like it might be a good idea to allocate a little bit higher ratio to the local.
11:40:52 Efforts that we're undertaking since we are gonna have a CWP now. Isn't there a minimum we can put in the title 2?
11:41:27 So the 2% that we're currently receiving yields about 20,000 a year into presenters. Yeah.
11:41:36 Yeah, here. Let, let me just very quickly. See what we got and
11:41:53 22.
11:41:59 We also did a 50,000 dish. Sequestration. This year. So sometimes other things in there that I'm not.
11:42:11 Clear on. Do you have something to add right now, Mr. Chapman? Have a seat and just to speak in the microphone.
11:42:25 So, okay. Yeah, wherever I hear about cut and title too, I'm like, well, I know.
11:42:36 But, yeah, the applications are open now for the next title 2 round, which, you know, some of say, well, jeez.
11:42:41 Greg can be considering these applications for Jefferson County. Yeah. But there are a number of groups looking at though at the next phase and talking with the forest service.
11:42:49 And with each other in Washington with recreation as Washington trails this ocean backcountry horsemen, Pacific Northwest Trail.
11:42:59 And we're looking at what kind of projects we could apply for. So we're looking like just this weekend I was at the Ducka Bush Trail head.
11:43:04 And we're looking at projects that we can do there. And they're like the outhouse needs a new rough that kind of thing.
11:43:11 Pacific Northwest Trail we're looking at going over Mount Zion, some of the projects that could be done there.
11:43:17 So. So it what it does do with Title 2 is it gets all the different the 4 counties.
11:43:24 And the recreation community and the environmental community because it's also used for noxious wheat treatment along the roads going into the national forest, we all get together
and talk about how could best be used and then that is carried for as you know to the resource advisory committee.
11:43:41 Which will meet to consider that. And the resource advisory committee, my understanding is that it gets to allocate just Jefferson County title $2 to Jefferson County projects
right it's not like at all it gets swept into one big. And then there are a few projects that are all count all 4.
11:44:09 And that would be, like the foreign service. Well, like Pacific Northwest Trail is Jefferson and Noxious weed is usually of all 4 in a sense, though the northern ones are handled
by the Colin Wheat Board and the southern ones are handled by I think the wheat person with The Forest Service
11:44:30 who works with Department of Ecology on the WDC crew. So there are a few projects that are all 4 counties.
11:44:37 But you're right, most of the projects are county specific. The because clown muscle puts a lot of money to title 2 instead of title 3 and Jefferson us and so does.
11:44:50 To a certain degree Mason County and Grace Harbor. That but most of the money distribution goes to the northern counties because we have most of the forest there.
11:44:58 So, so we get a lion's share of it and then Grace Harbor gets some and and Mason get some.
11:45:07 So Tile 2 has worked really well. It's one of the few times you get all those agencies, including the feds.
11:45:15 Sitting down at the table working together on recreation. Well, not just recreation. It's also watershed management.
11:45:23 So in 2022 the 2% yielded 18,501. In title 3.
11:45:30 To the county. We had 2,500 in investment interest but that's going to go away because we're spending the 167.
11:45:37 Yeah. So if we were to go to 4% or 5% it would Go to 36.
11:45:44 38 40. And it looks like it's. That's between title 2 and title 3 it's that's where the our flexibility is.
11:45:57 Well, we were, I think for a long time and 80% in title one and we went to 85% right to support you know both public works and also our rural schools and I support that eighty-
percent and title one.
11:46:08 Okay. So, but the, the remaining 15%.
11:46:14 It's up to us, right? I mean, the first 2, we don't have to be at 85.
11:46:22 We could be at 85. We could be at 80. I think we were 80 before. I think child 2 can be as low as 7% and we're at 13.
11:46:28 Some counties are doing 15.
11:46:32 Yeah, I think King County puts it all in. They do 7% do the rest of Title 3.
11:46:39 And I think your point, Heidi as we move forward. Title 3 is a lot more spendable than it was before really until the community wildfire protection plan and really engaging
with search and rescue.
11:46:49 We did not have a lot of options for those monies and that's why we've, you know, loaded the consideration too.
11:46:58 Is that there's a grant and the fact that we are shortly going to have a CWPP will open up a lot of grant opportunities for us.
11:47:05 So to collect additional monies in Title 3 when there's a mountain of money available through grant programs.
11:47:14 Do we do we go for the grant or do we spend title 3 money that could have gone to title 2?
11:47:20 Well, lots of times grants require matches though and so that's title 3 money could be used for a match for a grant.
11:47:30 Fire protection ones or not, but that's a good point. There is no public comment. I'm sure has hand raised, we lower it and now we have to as well.
11:47:41 Yeah. All right. Thank you. And I think we can probably, make room for public comment.
11:47:49 I don't know, Kate. I think Heidi and I have wait in a lot. Do you have any input before we, it says that she's on the ferry and she'll be back at 1 30.
11:47:59 Gotcha. And Jefferson County. Yeah.
11:48:10 They had 210,009 84 that went to projects.
11:48:17 The deferred road maintenance, specific Northwest Trail maintenance, not just wheat control. Support improved leadership position.
11:48:26 WC more different road maintenance though from 2019. And that road maintenance critical for getting, you know, fire support in there too.
11:48:38 You know, I mean, it kind of surfs multiple functions.
11:48:41 Yeah. Absolutely. Only a hundred percent that we can allocate. So I guess I'm inclined to stay the course.
11:48:51 I think we're aligned on, more money is better. So I think we're aligned on, more money is better. So actual over the, rolling average.
11:49:00 And I guess with those thoughts in mind maybe we'll open it up for public comment real quick.
11:49:03 We've got just 10 more minutes until we completes So we're gonna let. So, if you're with us in the zoom room and would like to make public comment on this agenda item.
11:49:13 I'll say I've raised my hand. You can click raise hand or star 9 and we'll bring you over or unmute you start and I if you're on the phone we would love to hear from you about
this agenda topic exactly.
11:49:25 So that is a secure rural school allotment in Jefferson County. With Mr.
11:49:37 Hello Mr. When you get yourself unmuted, you can turn your screen on if you wish and you have 3Â min to share your thoughts on this agenda item.
11:49:46 Well, I'll be quick in that Ed Bow and Jefferson County landowner commenting on schedule schools.
11:49:52 I'm actually it's more of a I guess a covering your 6 here. I am not under the impression that we that the county is allowed to change its percentage allocations.
11:50:03 This year I understood the federal act allowed a change last year which I believe you address, but I didn't know it was a yearly thing.
11:50:14 So I would actually bring that to your attention to make sure you're not. Dreaming up.
11:50:21 New percentages and you're not given the opportunity to do that just because of the convoluted way to do that just because of the convoluted way the 4 services distributed this
to you.
11:50:30 I am, I don't quite fully understand, but I am,
11:50:36 Cool. I don't wanna say please, but. Thoughtful that you have started delving into that significant pot of Title 3 funds.
11:50:47 And a fire plan is definitely an aspect of that. It will be interesting to see the comments you have addressed today, how that continues to happen with Title 3 and I am in support
of that.
11:51:00 So thank you.
11:51:01 Thank you very much, Mr. Bowen. Anyone else that would like make public comment on this agenda item?
11:51:12 Okay, I wanna make one last call for public comment on the secure world schools. All right, I will close public comment and I thought we got another note from them asking from,
asking about the allotment this year.
11:51:27 Isn't that why this is on the agenda?
11:51:32 Yeah, just move the base. The request from the state treasurer was to confirm them as they understand our allocations we provided.
11:51:42 Provide new. Allocation and then the second step is whether to take the full allocation or do the rolling average.
11:51:55 Yeah, so that I have the actual email from Nancy Morris from the state treasurer's office asking us to do what we're doing right now.
11:52:07 Thanks for, the check and balance, Ed. It seems like we are being asked, but I think, well, I don't know, the check and balance add it seems like we are being asked but I think
well I don't know what we haven't taken action yet and I'm afraid we're gonna have to
11:52:20 I'm here. I'm here. I have my hand up.
11:52:16 do it without Kate rejoining us. She's on the ferry right now. Oh, great. Go ahead, Kate.
11:52:24 What would you like to say? I thought that was an artifact for the past.
11:52:26 No. Ii was, I feel like there wasn't a lot of information in the agenda packet.
11:52:36 I felt really under prepared for today and I feel really under prepared for today and I feel like we have.
11:52:37 Answered a couple of questions but still I don't know I'm not feeling like I have a lot of information to make a good decision.
11:52:44 You know, so like it said that the totals were included in the agenda packet. Previous allocations and they I couldn't find them I actually actually didn't see an obvious breakdown
of the existing breakdown.
11:52:59 Maybe it was in there and I missed it but I think we might benefit from another week and a little more analysis before they take action.
11:53:11 I'm sorry, but we have to reply to them by the twentieth.
11:53:15 Of July.
11:53:17 Okay.
11:53:19 The only one we have more time with is the rolling average versus the full.
11:53:27 Okay, but we've not been able to answer that question as to whether we can allocate more from.
11:53:33 Title to to 3 or 3 to 2, sorry, forgetting which way it was.
11:53:36 Oh, we could allocate title 3. Sure. I think it is 7%. That rings the bell.
11:53:40 Okay.
11:53:43 I mean, if we wanted to go high. We could put up to 8% and entitled 3.
11:53:48 I mean, it seems to me that like DNR has gotten a lot of funding. As we talked about the potential for grants in the future too for other.
11:54:00 Suppression of preparedness activities. I can't remember the allocations they've got in the last couple of, but it's significant.
11:54:09 So I do think there could be additional funds available for that in the future. I don't have a start feeling about it mostly because I don't feel like I have enough information,
but I'm happy to support the status quo, you know, for now because it's time sensitive and then, take it
11:54:24 up again and we have more information.
11:54:29 Okay, I think we do and it's pretty easy to take action on the, do you have any hesitation about taking action Kate on the actuals versus 7 year rolling average.
11:54:40 No, no, I, like I said, I, the information wasn't in the packet, but, I, Well, it's been seen and well understood by
11:54:52 Well, I've looked for the email from the treasurer and there's the chart showing the full SRS payment amount versus the 25% 7 year rolling average.
11:55:05 You can see the 1 million versus the 200.
11:55:09 208. No, that makes sense to me. No, I mean the gap was so much for us.
11:55:16 I didn't.
11:55:18 Think that we needed to cover the numbers in detail but there they are.
11:55:24 And if you look at the rules a little bit in the attachment, it does talk about how we can, divvy them up that you know you can allocate 15 or 20% to title 2 in title 3 or a
combination of both.
11:55:36 So we've already maximized last year. I think the big change that we made to refresh everyone's memory was I believe we went from 20% to 15%.
11:55:46 On tile 2, title 3. And, so they remember. Yeah, and gave that, 13 and 2.
11:55:53 And you know. It's intriguing to see option opportunities to use the title $3. I think we minimized it last time because there was nothing to see option opportunities to use
the title $3.
11:56:05 I think we minimized it last time because there was nothing to do but you know. A sister Chapman makes an impassioned and understandable you know argument that these title 2
funds are really important and a lot of that roadwork that the forest service does.
11:56:16 Not any other budget buckets. They really are are dependent on those funds. But I also have the county itself is a title to application.
11:56:26 Projects in there and so it has Mocking so they do manage it from Tiles to directly. Great.
11:56:34 Okay, well we have we don't have a resolution but we do have some action that we can take.
11:56:42 We've got first do we want to maintain the status quo distribution of the title 1 2 and 3 allocation.
11:56:55 Oh yeah, I just pulled up a chart that Stacy had provided previously. He had provided previously. Let me, she wants to talk to it.
11:57:00 Let me share my screen really.
11:57:08 So you can see that Commissioner Brotherton's right that it was 80% up through 2,007.
11:57:17 And then we have 85%.
11:57:27 Sorry. Oh, so we've been have been. Right. So I think the only change we made was.
11:57:32 The percentage for between the 2 and 3, right? No, it looks like in 2022 it was.
11:57:39 So the the 14 for this year it's because the sequestration amount of. 51,000.
11:57:49 Yeah, they, 85.
11:57:58 They say the 2022, sorry, the 2,022 payments were subject to a 5.7% sequestration reduction.
11:58:08 And so that's why my actual is showing a different percent. 100 and 2% possible. Okay.
11:58:19 Thank you for that additional clarity and refreshing our memories when these changes were made. I guess we didn't make significant changes.
11:58:26 I guess we've got just a couple of minutes before lunch, so I'd welcome a motion.
11:58:35 I'm happy to make a motion that we. Continue with our allocation percentages for secure rural schools that we last confirmed in 2022 which are 85% to title 1, 13% to title 2
and 2% to title 3.
11:58:54 And that we also elect to take the one year. The amount the actual amount received each year. Versus the rolling average.
11:59:05 And authorize a county treasurer to sign a report as opposed to me. And further authorized the county treasure.
11:59:15 To sign the report. Due to the state by the twentieth. Of July, 2023.
11:59:24 I will second.
11:59:25 Okay, it's been moved in second. We've already had public comment on this. There's no further questions or comments.
11:59:35 Bye.
11:59:33 All in favor of the motion on the floor indicate by saying aye. Hi. The post. All right.
11:59:39 That is unanimous. Great. Well, thank you very much. Stacy, Jeff, good to see you in real life here too.
11:59:45 And, with that, let's, let's. Recess for lunch. We'll come back at 1 30.
11:59:51 We've got a busy weekend or busy weekend. Busy afternoon with the Qualum BOCC joining us at 1 30 to talk about the Recompete and then we'll talk about our strategic plan after
that.
12:00:02 Thank you guys. See you 1 30.
13:30:06 Okay, well. Thank you. So. Oh, Hmm.
13:30:20 We talked about.
13:30:24 Of course. He says, well, Okay. Yeah.
13:30:39 I can use the
13:30:43 All right. Peggy. Is there anyone else in the attendee list we should bring in to the panel with us today?
13:30:54 Hello Karen, good to see you.
13:31:01 . And What?
13:30:59 Is it piggy from? Call me DC. Looks like it.
13:31:10 There's any other names. Great. Alright, and we're recording. Okay.
13:31:17 I will call this meeting of the Jefferson County Board of Commissioners back into session and we're joined right now by.
13:31:24 Karen from the Inner DC as well as our Clalom peers and I don't know do you guys wanna introduce those folks you have around your table mark?
13:31:33 Sure, yeah, let's go ahead and start. We'll just go. Counter clockwise.
13:31:40 Okay. Randy Johnson, County. Colleen Mackleer, Cllem County Economic Development Council, Executive Director.
13:31:51 I Ken Hayes, Clown County and PED Commissioner District One. All jar with support of Port Angels Executive Director.
13:31:59 I'm Mark Ozias, County Commissioner, Mike French, kind of commissioner. That's all of us.
13:32:06 Great. And we can go and introduce ourselves here in this room as well. And then we'll go online too just so we can know who we're talking to.
13:32:16 You want to say hi Mark? Hi there. My zooms, not functional at the moment, but I'm Mark McCauley, County Administrator for Jefferson County.
13:32:25 Kate Dean, Commissioner Jefferson County and and that I represent our commission on the NODC and on the Heidi Eisenhower, Jefferson County Commissioner District 2.
13:32:40 And I'm Greg Brotherton, Jefferson County Commissioner. And, let's see, Cindy, you wanna say hi?
13:32:47 Hi Cindy Brooke, CDC team Jefferson.
13:32:51 And Peggy.
13:32:54 Very easy.
13:32:56 All right, you're a little garbled there, Peggy, but glad to have you with us.
13:33:00 Karen.
13:33:02 Karen Afeld, Executive Director, North Olympic Development Council.
13:33:07 And does Lauren also want to say hi?
13:33:10 Hi, Lauren Lesser, North Olympic Development Council Planning and Community Engagement Director.
13:33:15 Good to have you here and Haley, you want to say hi?
13:33:19 Sure. Hi, Haley, represented Derek Hilmer's office. I do district outreach in Colin, Jefferson and Gray's Harbor counties.
13:33:27 So, worth mentioning, we also have Daniel Palethorpe here with us from Senator Murray's office.
13:33:41 Identify yourself if you like. Gabby Ashford with Applied Education Foundation. Hmm.
13:33:57 Great. Okay. With that, I think I will pass it over to Kate to kind of set this table and really appreciate everyone making time today.
13:34:06 Couldn't be there at the meeting that's going on tomorrow from one to 3. Though Mark will be there on our
13:34:12 Okay.
13:34:17 Okay.
13:34:13 Sure, yeah, thanks so much everyone for joining today. Recompete presents a really great opportunity.
13:34:23 Oh.
13:34:22 You know, we compete presents a really great opportunity for a region like ours, a really great opportunity for a region like ours, rural economically distressed regions, a
really great opportunity for a region like ours, rural economically distressed regions to, to kind of look at the root causes for prime age, a really great opportunity for a region
like ours, rural economically distressed regions to, to kind of look at the root
13:34:39 causes, rural economically distressed regions to, to kind of look at the root causes for prime age, to kind of look at the root causes for prime age, under employment and unemployment.
13:34:45 And, you know, we have been told that very much with the peninsula in mind.
13:34:46 He understands.
13:34:45 Good morning. Sorry.
13:34:50 That coming.
13:34:51 Sorry.
13:34:58 .
13:35:02 The computer.
13:35:06 Yeah, no problem. We got meetings within meetings. We've been there before.
13:35:05 Sorry. That was me. Okay, I think we're good. Okay.
13:35:16 Yes.
13:35:13 Okay, sound good. All right. So we, have this great opportunity as a region to identify causes and come up with solutions for prime age unemployment and underemployment.
13:35:31 And our understanding is that we need to do this as a region that that individual entities, even individual cities and counties are not going to be as competitive.
13:35:41 They really want a regional approach to this. And so. The purpose of this meeting, Commissioner Isaiah and I who both sit on the North Olympic Development Council.
13:35:50 Saw an opportunity for us to put our heads together and try and come up with a regional strategy.
13:35:56 Yeah.
13:35:58 There have been a number of pieces of work done that very much could and should be a part of this and I think we will hear particularly from Colleen about one piece of that
which I think is very exciting.
13:36:10 And but I think the goal is that we broaden the base of this to try and hit as many of the either requirements or competitive pieces of the recompete application to really make
our region's proposal stand out.
13:36:29 So, maybe it's all right. Chair Brotherton will hand it off to Commissioner Ozias to, speak from.
13:36:33 Yeah, you bet. Thank you very much. We really appreciate the opportunity to join today. I just want to add, you know, we've been good.
13:36:44 Thinking and talking a lot about this over the last couple of months, you know, how are we gonna get organized?
13:36:50 What's our focus? Etc. I'm really happy to be here with you today.
13:36:57 I'm hopeful that in our conversation we could talk a little bit about where you today. I'm hopeful that in our conversation we can talk a little bit about where we're at and
what our conversation, we can talk a little bit about where we're at and what our next step should be.
13:37:09 Maybe talk a little bit about where we're at and what our next step should be. Maybe talk a little bit about how are we gonna keep ourselves organized on our on our timeline
and the way that what I've been searching for, on our timeline.
13:37:22 And, and, the way that what I've been searching for, and several of you have heard me say this is, what should our organizing principle be?
13:37:28 What should our organizing principle be? You know, what should the theme of, our application be? Was thinking about a little bit more along the lines of what's our what's our
theory what's our theory of why there are, why there's such a mismatch, between the jobs
13:37:43 that are available and, people willing to take them and what's our theory? What should our theme be about how we how we change, how we improve.
13:38:01 So I found that to be a pretty helpful construct. There I also had a conversation with an economist last week who shared a similar but another construct that I found helpful
which I'm just going to share at the beginning here.
13:38:13 That hopefully can provide a little bit more broad perspective. And he talked a little bit about how in the labor market here in the peninsula we have both a demand side challenge
and a supply side challenge.
13:38:30 The demand side challenge being, you know, there are a lot of companies that are looking for employees have great jobs available behind.
13:38:36 Parched for a variety of reasons. Able to find, find people to come and take those jobs.
13:38:43 On the supply side we know that there are a lot thousands of people in our communities who if you working out who aren't for one reason or another, maybe that is a childcare
barrier, maybe it's a transportation barrier. Maybe it's a transportation barrier.
13:39:02 Maybe it's a job mismatch barrier, maybe it's something else. And so to me, that contract was really, it's very basic, but also very helpful in thinking about the totality of
this regional transformation that we're hoping to achieve.
13:39:22 So I'm really thinking about the totality of this regional transformation that we're hoping to achieve.
13:39:24 So I'm really looking forward to the conversation today and I thought that given that our EDCs have been working so hard on the natural resources innovation cluster concept
which does a good job with starting to get at the demand side and with some spillover into some of the supportive.
13:39:37 Services and programs that might be more broadly applicable i thought it would make sense to for all of us to hear a little bit more about that to make sure that everyone is
up to speed on what what that vision is and then we can start to talk about how we expand from there.
13:40:00 Sounds great. Let's hear about these this suggestion is that Colleen would take that?
13:40:07 Well, Cindy and I partnered on this application to the state and so I've got some slides and I will share if I can get permission and then Cindy will do the first half and I'll
share if I can get permission and then Cindy will do the first half and I'll take the second
13:40:23 half.
13:40:23 Great, you should be able to share just the green button in the bottom middle.
13:40:26 Yep. All right.
13:40:31 Well, Colleen, while you're getting that set up, I wonder, just Want to make sure folks, had an opportunity to see kind of the baseline of the recompete.
13:40:40 Got it.
13:40:43 We did include, I'm not sure who provided the slide deck in application process, but to do folks generally feel kind of up to speed on what the program, the recompete program
entails and I just wonder if there's any folks generally feel kind of up to speed on what the program, the recompete program entails and I just wonder if there's
13:40:56 any Pretty up to speed on that. I thought the slides that were a task were really helpful. I think I understand the criteria they're gonna be looking at. Okay, great.
13:41:09 I'm guessing everyone around the table and column does too, but just wanna confirm. We're not jumping in before.
13:41:11 Doing any more important details.
13:41:14 Okay, I see some heads nodding. We're good.
13:41:15 Yeah, before we began this rainy, let me just say first of all, thank you for all being available.
13:41:25 Let me just say first of all, thank you for all being available this quickly. Let me just say first of all, thank you for all being available this quickly.
13:41:30 But number 2, when we started off on this endeavor and I listen to other counties around the Olympic Peninsula, all being available this quickly.
13:41:39 But number 2, when we started off on this endeavor this quickly. But number 2, when we started off on this endeavor and I listened to other counties around the Olympic Peninsula,
etc. And people are going many disparate ways or not even going to be involved in this.
13:41:50 And of course, ever since I first heard from the Congressman, I've been very excited about this because I consider this really important for our counties.
13:41:54 But to be part of it. I've been very excited about this because I consider this really important for our counties.
13:41:57 But to be part of it, I had heard very excited about this because I consider this really important for our counties.
13:42:02 But to be part of it, I had heard from Jefferson County as well as Colin County. Do we want to join together as we go for this?
13:42:06 I think Kate could address the fact that we'd be more competitive. I get that. But I would like to make sure that both counties are totally in this together as we go forward
and I'm just very succinct when I started very high level.
13:42:15 I wanted to and we haven't had that conversation until right now. That's why I'm, I'm just very succinct when I start a very high level.
13:42:23 I wanted to and we haven't had that conversation until right now and that's why I'm bringing that Before we go any further, Jefferson County Prisoners, is that also your share
assumption that we will be working together on a joint application for
13:42:33 Yeah, I've. I think that's where we're aiming. I that's my understanding is that we will be more competitive.
13:42:43 So we would kind of be foolish not to be able to coordinate our efforts. In a targeted fashion.
13:42:44 Just.
13:42:53 Okay.
13:42:46 Yeah, and I is my understanding that we would expect if we were to submit more than one application that we would actually probably be.
13:43:02 Yeah.
13:42:58 Rejected. You know, the expectation is that regions can align. So yeah, it is certainly our hope that we can all get on the same page.
13:43:09 And agree to a strategy and who's doing what.
13:43:13 Great.
13:43:16 All right, take it away Cindy.
13:43:19 Alright, well thank you Greg. Let's see. Let's move beyond the title slide, please.
13:43:27 To slide number 2. I wanna give some appreciation right out of the gate to Colleen who has a lot of foresight and as scanning the Ecosystem looking for opportunities and Colleen
sort of spearheaded the instigation of this natural resources innovation center work and I am happy to get to work
13:43:48 with Colleen and think about this as a region not as 2 separate counties. So the state has an ICAP program and innovation cluster accelerator program and what the state considers
important is, to look at industry wide at barriers and seek to overcome them to attract talent and capital and to access new markets.
13:44:13 And if we look at Jefferson and Klein County's historically, we have a certainly a very strong forest product sector and that seemed like a likely place to think about.
13:44:24 An innovation cluster.
13:44:27 So this is a concept not cast in stone, but a concept that can evolve. So the idea is really to bring all the people in the ecosystem together.
13:44:40 Yes.
13:44:42 So, for instance, we're bringing together the owners and people that have access to forest lands.
13:44:49 Work force commercial users have applied research and development. And centers of applied research and development. So the innovators, the people that use forest products, the
people that work in forest products and the land in which the forest products are grown.
13:45:09 So all of those players really need to be in communication to, come up with a vision for the future.
13:45:17 So we've successfully been able to bring together a wide and diverse, I'm sorry, can you move on to the next slide.
13:45:24 I'm already talking about the slide after this. We've successfully brought together a wide and diverse array of stakeholders to develop a common vision and this Enric or natural
resources innovation center is the hub whereby needs of industry are moved.
13:45:40 On to innovative problem solvers where solutions can be tested in the field.
13:45:47 Just to say again, since we weren't on the slide that it takes a variety of partners from different areas of expertise to evaluate the opportunities.
13:45:55 And obstacles and find a path forward. So to move on to the next slide.
13:46:03 This, innovation cluster is really thinking about sustainable innovative pathways to prosperity. And to do that in the forest products industry, value adding will be important,
which just adds value to the end product, which, just adds value to the end product and it increases jobs and there are high wage jobs and there are high wage jobs in the
13:46:24 forest product sector. Increases jobs and their high wage jobs in the forest product sector. And in this example here, and there are high wage jobs in the forest product sector.
13:46:31 And in this example here, the forest product sector. And in this example here, the maca tribe has a lot of acres of sustainably managed forests.
13:46:33 We have a could we build cross laminated timber building panels? So create some value adds so the tribe isn't just selling logs but selling something that's a finished product
and could those CLP panels be used in building housing, which we sorely need.
13:46:48 But.
13:46:49 And also there's, there are many ways to innovate around the waste products. And I'm gonna keep moving because I want Colleen to have enough time to speak as well.
13:46:59 Let's move on to slide 5.
13:47:00 Okay, I just wanna add that currently the Mccad tribe does have the mill and kiln. It's to be operational in August.
13:47:12 They'll be selling these panels to the CRTC and they have Multi 1 million dollar contract currently to build housing quickly ripped housing shelters.
13:47:22 So we're talking about expanding that potentially into ADUs. The contract CRTC is the one with the contract.
13:47:34 For quickly wrecked military shelters.
13:47:44 Okay.
13:47:43 Alright, so we've been doing some convening already and what we've learned is that, things work better from the grassroots up.
13:47:55 We wanna increase prosperity for working people. We need to bring together industry players, industry stakeholders and identify our common needs and together explore solutions
for all voices are heard.
13:48:08 The business leaders are important because they're providing the jobs. They have investment capital. And we can't really run a feasible product.
13:48:35 Okay.
13:48:19 A project. With outcomes that we desire without including industry and I'm happy to work with Colleen again at the EDC since we have both have reached into our individual counties,
industry sectors, to help people be aware of these opportunities to convene and have these conversations.
13:48:40 So we're just we're just proposing here to listen and learn we're not like offering a finished plan but this is this industry cluster is a state supported idea.
13:48:54 It has applications here. I don't know if any of you were on the Department of Commerce email list, but there was applications here.
13:49:03 I don't know if any of you were on the Department of Commerce email list, but there was a flyer that went out in the Department of Commerce email list, but there was a flyer
that went out in the last day or 2 that mentions this product in the context of 3 others that are happening across the state.
13:49:10 And I really find this concept exciting, especially in in light of the other projects that are happening in other places.
13:49:15 Colleen.
13:49:16 Yeah, I just wanted to add that there were this was the top rated program that they evaluated.
13:49:23 So the state was really happy to see innovation occur in a legacy industry within the state. And it's the only one that's.
13:49:31 Directly got some. Innovations that would be occurring in the housing market.
13:49:45 I think this is where you pick up.
13:49:42 So I went to the next slide for you, Cindy. Right. We are really looking at Recompete as an opportunity to increase economic prosperity for column and Jefferson counties.
13:49:59 So we're seeking to develop interventions that aim to significantly increase the prime age and age labor market employment and wages.
13:50:11 Individual and so again going back to the less listen and learn concept we brought together to the less listen and learn concept we brought together many couple dozen people
from in different meetings from different industry sectors.
13:50:26 And I was really surprised to hear the maritime sector principles say, no, don't spend a month of money on on say graving doc or expanding in industrial maritime.
13:50:42 We have hundreds of jobs open today. Good-paying jobs. Good jobs is defined by Department of Labor.
13:50:50 But we can't fill them. We need to address housing. And then if we can address housing and childcare and these other things, then we can move on and we can grow.
13:51:01 But today we can't even fill the existing jobs that we have open. So that was a really, I mean, we've heard about all the work source supplied issues.
13:51:11 We, and this is a statewide issue for certain, I'm sure it's national as well.
13:51:18 But when just at our recent statewide Washington economic development association meeting they had an interactive process where they asked all of the city.
13:51:28 Economic development developers, counties, ATOs across the state to provide input and they ask what is your major number one economic issue?
13:51:40 Crossed the board. It was labour force associated with house labor force housing. And so that was really interesting to see that there was agreement, which I guess shouldn't
be surprising, but it was anecdotal and gave a lot of credibility to our belief that this is a major problem.
13:52:10 Target and then how can they be enticed to join the labor force. Businesses provide the demand for those people.
13:52:20 And then central to achieving the recompete goal is to increase the demand for labor at high wages and prepare people to successfully take on those jobs.
13:52:30 So what else did we learn that may be applicable to recompete? Local employers find it difficult to successfully recruit employees even for the quote unquote good jobs.
13:52:40 Next, successful workforce training requires a partnership between industry and educational institutions. As I've heard. Dr.
13:52:52 Ain't say over and over again, people are not interested in going to get a degree. They want to get training and education to get themselves a job.
13:53:01 So she is not really promoting the two-year associates degree. She is finding the most success.
13:53:08 In training that gets someone into a job as soon as possible. And she's hoping then that industry after they get those initial entry skill sets will pay for ongoing training
for these people to move up in their career.
13:53:25 Good jobs, those paying living wages and we've done a lot of research about what is a living wage in Clowham County.
13:53:34 And ideally, prosperity wages, which is an additional 15% so somebody has money for a rainy day fund maybe college in the future maybe a vacation maybe it's you know buying
a house or whatever it is, a vacation, maybe it's, you know, buying a house or whatever it is.
13:53:54 We're trying to entice people to join the and boost the boost grant that we did showed us innovative approaches to do this.
13:54:00 We had 363 people applied for 20 positions to become bookkeepers and we so we took a really innovative approach there.
13:54:09 A vast majority of those people were not currently in the workforce. So this is an example of how we can reach out to those people.
13:54:17 Innovative solutions come from innovative people and there are many living in in Jefferson. We, we, within interrupt and Rick, we came, we've been working through target industries
target businesses target jobs.
13:54:35 And instead of saying this company would be in, this one would be out, we said, let's just create principles.
13:54:43 And if they meet the principles, then great. And so those are that the companies would offer good jobs of $55,000 a year for at entry which is 26 bucks an hour or more to local
residents with a pathway to prosperity of 70 or more in 5 years.
13:55:03 And that aligns with a lot of the literature from R. The local work force can obtain necessary industry-driven knowledge skills and abilities from our local high schools and
Peninsula College.
13:55:15 So locally, we're not talking about go get a 4 year degree from Udub. The business in industry must be economically viable in a competitive environment and must be able to attract
investment capital.
13:55:30 We think that's very important. If we focus on housing. We know that there's Certainly a demand.
13:55:39 So, but would can we build the product at a price point that makes sense? Will be the critical element.
13:55:46 They will improve current industry practices by incorporating new technology or new methodologies to lower costs, reduce ways to maximize benefits from resources, and then we'll
work to provide environmentally sustainable outcomes while promoting economic prosperity today, tomorrow and well into the future.
13:56:04 Not 8 to 10 years from now.
13:56:08 We were thinking about the fact that with Recompete there's 50 million dollars but between our 2 counties we have 2,700 people that are in this prime age employment gap.
13:56:21 That's a lot of people that if, you know, we're to be successful, we're gonna get them back into the workforce.
13:56:28 So that map just gives you $18,500 per person. Not a lot of funding. Timothy Bartick is the economist behind the whole Recompete Act and he thinks it takes an average of 50,000
to successfully move a prime age individual that's given up on unemployment into the labor force in a
13:56:51 job. So Recompete is underfunded with respect to its goals for us. So that means we're really going to have to leverage other resources and we believe other private funding.
13:57:03 Moving 2,700 people into the work labor force and good jobs will require more than what we can be offers.
13:57:11 It will be critical to leverage funds again from the private sector. No approaches to make affordable housing and child care available are central and Ebc's have been focusing
on these issues.
13:57:20 We're on our fourth childcare grant. To provide child expand child care in our county and the state continues to offer grant programs, childcare, partnership grants.
13:57:36 And so we have become over the years. I've got one person that I would call next to an expert and we certainly have consultants that we've hired that have been able to get a
private business.
13:57:52 Specifically in column based CQ at a school district we got them their their all their certifications that are required and the facilities certified.
13:58:03 A successful plan needs to target people with high probability of success. So we've got amongst the 2 counties, about 10, people in that age group.
13:58:14 But it's the 2,700 that are most likely to get into the workforce that we need to target in our view.
13:58:21 So it was brought up by I think Dr. Dan Underwood when we had that discussion before. Who are these people?
13:58:28 What do we know about them? I mean, there are a whole lot of unknowns in both counties, I think.
13:58:33 And obviously we need some information about that. I would think if we're going to target them. So we've been successful in coordinating with employment security departments
their commissioner Tammy Cami Feak, excuse me, has directed Gustavo Avilis, their director of data architecture transformation and analytics.
13:58:56 To pull together a team to provide data for our 2 counties on people that have previously been on unemployment. We're we're suggesting at the offset let's look at people prior
to COVID.
13:59:11 Because a lot of people and that have been on unemployment in the past and are now not currently employed. And what we'd like to get from them is not named not social security
not exact address but we'd like to get what city do they live in between the 2 counties?
13:59:28 And what was the sector that they were in? What was their wage? And then if they have any, educational attainment information, that would be fabulous, but also we want to develop
a survey that ESD would send out to them and then we would get the responses that would be anonymized.
13:59:50 But we would have information so we could aggregate aggregate by say forks or Chimicum or Fallon Bay or Port Angelis, etc.
14:00:03 So we can get some place-based information about what are the barriers for these people getting back into the workforce.
14:00:12 So It's been, we've been thinking about this and again as Cindy said, this is not a given, we're done thinking about it.
14:00:21 This is a work in progress. But this is how does Emerick interact with Recompete?
14:00:26 Recompete. As you know, it's activities that focus on these 2,700 people age 2554 year old back in his labor force so it's research we need to know more about them it's individuals
support so industry credentials child care transportation to employment, things like that.
14:00:46 And engagement by all employers with good jobs, which would include not just natural resources, but also health care manufacturers maritime construction.
14:00:58 And then you've got Enrek that is working on activities that maximize the value of our natural resource based products, including sustainable harvest wood for green building.
14:01:10 But it also innovation to reduce waste, soil amendments, training for people of any age, regard, you know, so high school also reduced greenhouse gas emissions in harvesting
and transportation digital systems in forests for improved forest health and inventory.
14:01:28 And where is that intersection? We see the most exciting intersection around housing solutions where we want to try to create an engineered manufacturer product that would.
14:01:39 Be a supply for AD use not just in our 2 counties but also across the state and states. It's also about new hiring and employment strategies.
14:01:50 So not thinking about putting your, you Mr. Jones who's looking for a job you're a A round peg, we got a round hole next.
14:02:01 We've got to think about how do we attract them and talk to them in such a way that they see this as more of a career path.
14:02:09 And then also childcare solutions that people that are part of this NRICK. Industry team want to invest in.
14:02:21 They've been talking about and this between port towns and paper company Hermann brothers. At Port Angel's hardwoods, etc, that they would like to create an LLC, work together
to create an LLC, work together to invest in a development.
14:02:38 And then have and use some potentially recompete funding for the infrastructure, the pipes in the ground, the roadways.
14:02:48 Then they as a privately owned LLC would develop housing at the lowest price point possible with the highest density with childcare in the middle.
14:02:59 And that would be how we could leverage their funding to get and they would only rent or sell it to people that would work for them.
14:03:06 And the the larger consortium. So this would be a way to leverage their private investment. And instead of them doing a development that they sell to the highest bidder, you
know, retirees very likely, they would be focused exactly on the workforce that would come work for them.
14:03:26 And then also of course the industry-driven, workforce training would be a major, major component of this.
14:03:34 So, lastly, I think lastly, yep. Lastly, is there an effective way to decide what kinds of businesses in business industries to target.
14:03:45 We've got our five-year plan that provides data for employment and wages by industries. The five-year plan also provides data for employment and wages in the supply chain by
business sector. Dr.
14:03:56 Vannon, what has done that work? It's a hundred 53 page very comprehensive document by cluster and the kinds of work force training necessary to prepare people for work in both
targeted businesses and the resulting supply chains.
14:04:11 And then the same approach could be used for the general economy. So what we've done here with natural resources certainly can be applied to the other industry clusters that
do pay good wages as defined in Lenofo.
14:04:27 Thank you.
14:04:30 Thanks, Colleen. Thanks, Cindy. And I'm wanted to ask you one question on your presentation, guys.
14:04:36 Okay.
14:04:35 I'm wondering if that those That 2,700, you know. Number of workforce from between 25 and 54.
14:04:43 Do we have a breakdown between the counties as to what how that distributes?
14:04:47 Yes, there are 1,660 according to the EDA data. In Cllem County and 1,046 in Jefferson County.
14:04:59 Great, thank you. And I guess we also have the Karen from the North Olympic Development Council.
14:05:05 I don't know. Do you, I guess this is a pitch, right? The, enrich. I like that. I'm gonna adopt that.
14:05:12 Use of the acronym. Rally on that both Ebc's are behind is that the impression I'm getting.
14:05:21 I would say it's more of. We are hoping to be a component of Recompete.
14:05:28 I'm not saying that this board would be the deciding board. We want this board that we have funding to create would be an important component of it.
14:05:42 The EDCs also have Call me DC put aside $65,000 to help. With writing a recompete grant application due October.
14:05:55 So we do have resources that we've set aside that are beyond the Recompete, we've interviewed.
14:06:03 Our selection team interviewed the Center for Sustainable Agriculture, specifically Ted Start Event who's got an amazing background.
14:06:13 He used to be the director of ecology for the state. He also used to be the director of legislative affairs and policy for Department of Natural Resources.
14:06:24 And, He also was the governor's chief of staff. And he would love to take on this.
14:06:33 Role and try to help us put together a really strong regional recompete plan. They did that work around the hydrogen shot application for the state, so they certainly have some
expertise in bringing diverse.
14:06:49 Populations together to come up with strategies that would work for all. And Commissioner Brotherton, this is Mark.
14:06:58 What I was, you know, I, one of the reasons why I wanted to make sure we spent a couple of minutes talking about the Inret concept was because it has certainly been created
with.
14:07:17 I wanted to make sure and take some time to listen and understand whether I think we know that in order to you know to fully build this out there need to be other pieces.
14:07:33 I would be curious to you know to be other pieces. I would be curious to you know to hear are there others.
14:07:34 I who are part of the discussion in Jefferson County or you know here in Cloud County that have other concepts or ideas that have other concepts or ideas that you've been working
on, that have other concepts, or ideas that you've been working on, you know, with, or ideas that you've been working on, you know, with
14:07:50 Recompete in mind, just sort of, you know, let's sort of get, get everything out on the table that might be a potential for right now and then we can start talking a little
bit more about how we focus and get organized and set priorities and whatnot.
14:08:10 And then we can start talking a little bit more about how we focus and get organized and set priorities and whatnot.
14:08:11 So, if that makes sense to
14:08:12 Yeah, let's distill all our brainstorming first and then talk through it. I think that's great.
14:08:14 Karen, I see your hands up. What's the Innodc's perspective on this opportunity?
14:08:21 Well, I think. I think that the, enrich plan is a good, as Colin said, it could be a really good component.
14:08:31 And I think that it's, well, I think there are a lot of folks who have had some discussions about potential projects.
14:08:37 I don't think in most cases that they're gonna be that far developed. And so I want to talk a little bit about about process and also about How competitive this opportunity
is.
14:08:49 You know, they're they are gonna approve only 20 recompete plans nationally.
14:08:55 And those 20 plans don't actually come with any money. Getting approved doesn't bring you any money at all.
14:09:01 Those 20 plans then get submitted. Those 20 plans get it being one of those 20 approved plans allows you to apply.
14:09:09 For, for funding and there will be between 4 and 8 proposals funded nationally. So from my perspective, what does that mean?
14:09:17 Does.
14:09:19 That means that we need to be thinking about what makes our proposal stand out. What makes it competitive? What makes it innovative?
14:09:29 And, you know, what will, what will make it rise to the level of being competitive nationally.
14:09:38 And so, you know, one of those things is as as Mike French said, you know, what's our theory?
14:09:44 What's our story? You know, what is our approach to this? You know, and why do we think that it works?
14:09:51 And then I think also it's really important to keep in mind is the as a as mark as i said dan underwood said that you know we're looking at several different components here.
14:10:07 There is you know the need to strict to have strong industries and diverse industries that provide, you know, living wage, prosperity wage jobs.
14:10:18 And there's also the fact that we know that we have people now. Who are, who are not able to, to succeed in applying for jobs.
14:10:27 16.
14:10:29 We have jobs that are going begging. Many of which do actually pay decent wages. And so what are the barriers there and how do we eliminate those?
14:10:38 Oh.
14:10:37 From a process standpoint, I think we need to take the time. To, to. Here what What are innovative thinkers in the 2 counties?
14:10:51 Have to say about these things? What ideas do they have? What what it what theories of change do they have?
14:10:58 What approaches are there out there? I think that Enrique is an important component and likely, you know, likely would be a part of any recompete plan that that goes.
14:11:09 That goes forward but I wanna make sure that we don't close the discussion down when a lot of people out in the county who may have great ideas.
14:11:17 Still haven't even heard of Recompete. And so, so we, have, convened a meeting, that's taking place tomorrow afternoon.
14:11:27 To try to bring together a broad group of people to tell them what and what recompete is what the elements of a proposal are.
14:11:36 That are needed. Yeah, you know, what criteria it's gonna, is it gonna be evaluated on?
14:11:47 Okay.
14:11:43 And then, you know, ask people to, get together in small groups and talk about ideas and, try to bring some things to the to the top.
14:11:55 Obviously 1 2Â h meeting is not enough to do that. So you know what I hope comes out of that is some kind of a a coordinating committee that would be that would work perhaps
with a hired consultant.
14:12:09 To, to formulate the overall plan. But then also perhaps some subcommittees who can flesh out.
14:12:18 You know, they Enrique is pretty far along, but what are the other pieces look like? And what ideas do we have here, but also what models are out there?
14:12:28 What's working elsewhere in terms, you know, who's doing really innovative creative things around childcare?
14:12:34 What about the potential for job coaching for people you know job coaching tends to be something that we think of for people with disabilities.
14:12:46 But what about job coaching that just helps people stand jobs? I think there are a lot of different concepts that are out there, people that are doing creative things around
the country.
14:12:56 And so how can we pull together the pieces that that make a really compelling case for our area. And, you know, in addition to Enrique, I think you know thinking about what
we want our future economy to look like so certainly there's a lot of work force development needed in the in the marine trades and maritime
14:13:17 area but but you know what about what about blue carbon what about green technologies there's a lot happening with renewable energy in our area right now.
14:13:26 Is that something that could provide a way forward? What interest, what industries do we have and what industries are we developing?
14:13:35 So that so that we can we can move forward So I don't have a concept of, you know, or a proposal that I wanna put forward.
14:13:45 Other than that I want to see us do a really good, strong planning process that really does figure out you know what is the best that we have to offer and puts it together in
a way that can compete on the national level.
14:13:58 Okay.
14:13:59 I think that we have the resources here to do that. And just want to see that happen.
14:14:04 Great. Thanks, Karen. And Cindy, I want to give you one more chance. Are any other, you know, brainstorms or concepts from the Jefferson County perspective that you'd like to
share now?
14:14:16 Right. No, I just think that there's a lot of, lot of, data to gather a lot of conversations to be had and we have a pretty short timeline between now and October fifth.
14:14:28 So, I'm just sort of eager to go forward with what we know and, bring as many people into the conversation as we can.
14:14:38 Thank you.
14:14:40 Great. I guess. I don't know. Anyone else have brainstorms they want to share?
14:14:46 I thought over the weekend I certainly have a brainstorm. I guess I'll go first. I love thinking about this kind of thing and through your presentation.
14:14:55 You know, you mentioned retirees once. And yet it's, a really, you know, Jefferson County at least is the oldest county in the state and one of the oldest in the entire country.
14:15:05 8 years older I believe per capita since the last census. So I, you know. Housing is such a critical issue.
14:15:15 I especially workforce housing that I'm just wondering How possible it is to get housing components into a competitive program.
14:15:26 And I also, as you're listening to the Enrique presentation, I don't think we have any maybe a parcel or 2 of heavy industrial in in all of Jefferson County right now.
14:15:37 You know, we have no commercial mills in Jefferson County. So what are the, I mean we have lots of maritime work going on.
14:15:46 I'm just wondering if we can look at. Infrastructure as the story that we tell. Like I've been talking a little bit with Cindy about our you know light industrial park Glen
Cove that's just out of Port Townsend.
14:15:59 And if I when I look at that we're talking about looking at annexation again and annexation of glim cove, which would be would turn all of our light industrial areas into more
than just storage units basically, but you know, allow our manufacturing businesses and the maritime industries as well as wood industries.
14:16:21 I see it really dovetailing with Enrique. It would open up all those possibilities for heavier industry and for companies like Atlas, which are really successful to grow.
14:16:32 And it would also in one fell swoop, you know, open up. 500 units of developer multi-family housing.
14:16:41 And so to me, when we can look at something that that opens up these economic development opportunities and also creates the, you know, sets the table for developing more multifamily
housing.
14:16:55 That seems like it might address the problem. I mean, when I talk to Cindy, you know, if we were going to Annex Glenn Cove.
14:17:02 The first thing she mentioned was like businesses already can't find anyone. I mean building houses is great, but we've got a we've got to set the table to really radically
increase the amount of workforce housing in Jefferson County as part of this.
14:17:16 As part of this. Compete proposal I think or We're not really, dealing with the issue at hand, basically.
14:17:24 So I mean that is an option that I don't know about infrastructure and if Clawland County has similar opportunities and you know adding density or developing infrastructure
to facilitate Enrique and I'm wondering if I guess that's a possibility.
14:17:44 That's the end of my brainstrong. He threw a lot in there, Greg. I know. I'm sorry. Well, and I, this is Heidi.
14:17:54 I'll just type in in support of what Karen said. About having these generative conversations and getting more voices at the table.
14:18:00 To flesh out the ideas. I think that's a really good place to start, Karen.
14:18:07 And I agree with Greg about infrastructure and housing. They're gonna be core to any industry that we.
14:18:13 Emphasized through any kind of planning process or any kind of economic development process that we do. And then, I would be remiss to not say that maritime is a huge opportunity.
14:18:25 And so I would love to see a proposal that maybe. Relied on our natural resources and our communities. But had an undergirding of infrastructure and housing.
14:18:38 So that the industries that we're supporting are viable for the long term. And you know, there are colleagues in the community who have been focused on the maritime sector for
some time starting the maritime high school in Seattle.
14:18:52 Recognizing that there's this vacuum of opportunity with the Marine. Sector coming up with transitions of people aging out into retirement.
14:19:03 And so there's there's just opportunities on multiple fronts on the peninsula in forest products and in the maritime sector with the folks working in those jobs now aging out
into retirement.
14:19:15 I think we need to plan for that. Education piece as well, which is part of the infrastructure in my mind.
14:19:22 Thanks, Karen. I see your hand up.
14:19:25 Yeah, I just wanted to throw in that there actually has been quite a lot of conversation going on between.
14:19:32 Peninsula college then or for a school of wooden boat building and northwest maritime center and others about, about specifically, workforce development in that sector and,
and, you know, how we, how we, can make make programs complementary to each other
14:19:52 and and you know just really prepare people for the jobs that it that exists there. I do wanna throw out a cautionary note about housing and that is that this program is coming
through the economic development administration.
14:20:05 And while there is the EDA has said that they will give more flexibility than they typically do. In this in the Recompete proposal.
14:20:16 Eda's longtime stance has been that they don't fund housing development. So I think that if, if housing programs can be tied in to to something like, Colin was talking about
where you're doing manufacturing, of, housing elements.
14:20:32 That's gonna be a lot easier sell than saying that, you know, that we need to do housing development to create workforce housing, even if that is the truth.
14:20:42 And, and Haley, I don't know if you have any comment on that but I just EDA did not come out nearly as strongly as I had hoped they would in guidelines with in terms of making
an exception to that long standing policy.
14:20:55 So I'm a little cautious about it.
14:20:59 Haley, anything to add there?
14:21:02 I can check in with our policy team to see if they have any further insight on the housing piece. I apologize.
14:21:09 I just got back from vacation today. So if there are emails or any outreach on this. I'm working through my emails right now.
14:21:14 Oh.
14:21:15 But I'm gonna definitely reach out to Heather on our legislative team to see if she has any further insight and I can follow up with folks at the meeting tomorrow.
14:21:24 Yeah, and the conversations I've had with with EDA staff so far have just, you know, still just remained.
14:21:34 Cautious and Non-committal on on housing.
14:21:41 Well, Ken, what do you think about just I mean, my concept of annexation and density creating density in our industrial park, which would as an ancillary effect.
14:21:52 Rezone, you know, one to 5 rural residential zoning into 16 unit residences. I mean, that's not a direct.
14:22:01 Yeah, yeah, no, I think I think that kind of thing would certainly be allowable and I think the one thing with this the Recompete plan basically needs to get to a point where
we have 5 to 8 specific projects that are being that are a part of the plan that have budget attached to them.
14:22:23 You know, looking at around 50 million dollars over 10 years. But, that's actually over 10 years.
14:22:33 That's only 5 million a year. That's, peanuts. And so.
14:22:36 That's 5 to 8 projects that fit into a an application, right?
14:22:43 Yes, that all that can all be aligned towards. Towards the overarching principles that we come up with.
14:22:55 Please.
14:22:53 Hi, jump in. Hi, this is, so a couple of things. First, I wanted to agree with, you know, what Heidi pointed out about Karen.
14:23:06 I think that those NODC makes are going to be important part of broadening our base and making sure that we're hearing a lot of good choices.
14:23:11 I like that idea. I also really like a lot of the concepts. Calling talked about it in Rick.
14:23:16 Moving past resource extraction, I think is gonna be really crucial because I think in many cases research distraction is what One of the things that has led us down this path
to where we are as a region.
14:23:29 So we, anyway, I'll, I'll, deliver that. But on the housing, I am, I wanna point out a strategic.
14:23:37 Point here where if we say that housing is the barrier that we're trying to solve. I think that may also be seen by EDS saying, well, they're not really gonna actually re-engage
their own workers.
14:23:50 They're gonna inform workers. And so that's where I want to be a little cautious.
14:23:54 You know if we if we have what was the number 2020 2,700 people that already live here that need to be re-engaged.
14:24:11 We have, what was the number? 20 2,700 people that already live here that need to be re-engaged. They already live here.
14:24:18 Some of them housing might still be a Housing is not the where we wanna attack with our application.
14:24:21 Second thing I wanted to mention is I do like infrastructure. As a strategy. And if you look at in the EDA webinar.
14:24:29 I think it's page 12 of the, their slides. They have the sample implementation projects.
14:24:36 And the first one they mentioned under job creation is critical enabling infrastructure. So obviously EDA thinks infrastructure is a good idea.
14:24:44 Also strategically, infrastructure provides us a leverage point where we have our own funds as counties and as localities where we can say we have money that we can make your
recompete dollars go farther.
14:24:57 I think that's a strong point to make to EDA in an application to say, you know, we, a call kind of called the opportunity fund, right?
14:25:03 That, rural sales tax. An opportunity for us to leverage. I also think.
14:25:13 One thing, we are all, many of us are politicians and we like to speak positively and optimistically.
14:25:20 This is an opportunity where a lot of our challenges as counties are going to strengthen our application. The more dire we have paint a picture of the current situation, the
easier it will be to show an impact.
14:25:31 So one of the things I don't think we should lean away from is the opioid epidemic.
14:25:40 Yeah.
14:25:38 A lot of why some people are not engaged in the work force is opioid. Issues. And I don't think we're gonna take people straight from a treatment center and put them in a high
paying job in a But I do think there are people that have disengaged from the workforce because of a lot of different issues, social
14:25:57 issues around opioid. It's so because of a lot of different issues, social issues around opioid.
14:26:03 So one area where we might want to explore is how do we get our employers to see these people as potential workforce.
14:26:08 Band the box kind of things to say that we're not just gonna immediately cut out your application if you have a ability conviction in a mask or things like that.
14:26:17 And I think that that really goes to the theory of the case. The other slide I wanted to mention was on page 17 when they talk about for the recent peak plans what is your evaluation
criteria you get 15 points for the understanding of our regional conditions and needs.
14:26:30 We can't describe our regional conditions. These without talking about the drug at the opioid epidemic.
14:26:37 And then the strength of strategy and quality potential essence another 15 points. And so Keynesian. Those are way where places where I really want to think how are we gonna
maximize the points that we're gonna score.
14:26:51 In those evaluation criteria. The other question that I wanted to mention it was so In a lot of this, I feel like one of our strongest partners is gonna be connected to college.
14:27:04 I think that we could do ourselves harm if we overthink how much we want industry and I don't I'm not saying that as a negative of Enrique I think this is a really like you
said you're talking about the ground up the grassroots up.
14:27:13 We also do think grass roots up from our workers perspective. What supports are they gonna need? One of our strongest partners I think is gonna be good potential to college
and that's I think another leverage point where they might have resources that they can apply to students if we get them in enrolled in programs where it's not just
14:27:30 that the Recompete money has to fund all of those educational opportunities. And then, one question I had about the boost program.
14:27:40 How much support did those folks need that were going through that program. Around all of the barrier kind of issues or was it so?
14:27:50 Was it trimmed down enough that the 20 people that were successful out of the 300 applicants were the ones that didn't have a lot of barriers.
14:27:54 That's a question I am not sure of and that maybe we need to think more about. I'm sorry to just spray them all out, but thank you for everybody for engaging.
14:28:03 I think that's what we're doing today, Mike. That's fine. I did it too.
14:28:08 Yeah, go ahead, Karen.
14:28:09 Oh, I just wanted to say that Mike, I think you're right on a lot of those points.
14:28:14 What EDA knows how to do is infrastructure. They're trying to learn how to do other things.
14:28:21 You know, they, they are now talking a lot more about workforce development and I think they're you know they they mention that you can include obviously you're going to have
to include wrap-around services and that sort of thing in this application but they that what they know what they what is the core of what they have
14:28:40 done for decades is infrastructure. So, so that is an obvious place to go. I also really want to agree with you on the the opioid epidemic.
14:28:51 One of the things that I've said in in terms of who we may want around the table and things we need to be considering in barriers is addiction services and behavioral health
because I do think we have to we have to be real about what the barriers are that people face and and and how we how we can get, folks into the workforce.
14:29:11 Yes, a lot of it may be childcare, some of it may be housing, people may have transit needs, the cost of transportation.
14:29:19 If they're if because of housing prices they're living outside town, whatever. But, but certainly those are 2 things that we really need to consider.
14:29:27 And, and make sure that we're addressing as part of our of our plan I think personally.
14:29:34 Thanks, Karen. And I just wanna where we've got a 2 30 meeting item that we can push for a few minutes, but we're kind of entering the speed round here.
14:29:43 So we'll love to hear from people but. I guess brevity is the key right now.
14:29:47 Haley.
14:29:48 Sure, just wanted to follow up on the housing question when I chatted with my team. It seems like that sort of.
14:29:54 Hesitancy around saying yes to housing projects is still there. It seems that EDA is hoping that we can be.
14:30:03 A means to tackle other barriers to employment other than housing and we can work with you all to find other programs.
14:30:11 That can assist on the housing front outside of Recompete, but they seem to be a little bit hesitant to commit to a yes or no on that front.
14:30:19 Thank you for that clarification. Colleen.
14:30:22 Yeah, thank you. So I think it's critical that we don't make assumptions about these 2,700 people.
14:30:33 We need to survey them and we have a unique opportunity from employment security department security department to access their concerns.
14:30:42 That's 1 point. Another page 11 of the NOPO says that note matching share is not required in phase one of the Novo says that note, matching share is not required in phase one,
but will be part of the phase 2 evaluation criteria.
14:30:58 So because this is a nationally competitive grant in phase one, but will be part of the phase 2 evaluation criteria.
14:31:03 So because this is a nationally competitive grant, we need to do the phase 2 evaluation criteria. So because this is a nationally competitive grant, we need to do all we can
to bring in who's willing to put their own skin in the game.
14:31:16 And if local businesses that have the capacity are willing to do something like a development. And then they are able to get financing from as an example first Fed bank has
committed to we want to be on a board.
14:31:23 We want to be part of this process. We want to invest in this. And so then we would take, you know, their 75% of a project plus the folks who've got skin in the game and turn
a 50 million dollars grant into maybe a 250 million dollars grant.
14:31:37 Are project rather that would move us forward. Also, I wanna emphasize that on page 13, yeah, what does this mean?
14:31:47 But, it says implementation grants from a under wide range of non-construction activities that are under wide range of non-construction activities that include a wide range
of non-construction activities that, that include anyway workforce development.
14:32:02 We know that business and entrepreneur development. So that's where we were looking at, work on construction activities that, that include anyway workforce development. We know
that business and entrepreneur development.
14:32:20 So that's where we were looking at the activities that, that include anyway workforce development. We know that business and entrepreneur development.
14:32:26 So that's where we were looking at, something that would create an ADU manufacturing facility, infrastructure and then additional planning pre-development or technical assistance
Colin County's most important private industry forward in a really positive way for our economy but also then for our sustainability in our environment and our obviously our workforce.
14:32:43 What we care about at our EDCs is prosperity for the workforce. That is, we are narrowed in on that and that's what we work towards.
14:32:51 Great, thanks coming.
14:32:55 Please.
14:32:52 Great, it's just Mark. Can I make a brief statement? All right. I think as we start turning toward next steps and wrapping the conversation for today, obviously, and wrapping
the conversation for today.
14:33:07 Obviously, as you already mentioned, NODC is going to be hosting a little bit larger of a regional conversation tomorrow.
14:33:17 Appropriate to assume based on our conversation today that a couple of basic principles that we've agreed to would be that we want to work together on an application.
14:33:27 And that it would be helpful to engage some. Some help, whether that's a consultant or some other, you know, specific help, to get us from here to where we need to be in October
to where we need to be in October, leaving up, you know, how.
14:33:49 For further discussion how we actually identify and contract with that person. But just as a couple of basic principles moving forward.
14:33:58 So.
14:34:03 Okay.
14:34:04 Yeah, I if I could build on that a little bit Mark. You know, I think I think there are some other process questions that ideally we would have gotten to today, but I'm not
sure that we're going to, but part of the challenge here is that there are a lot of parties involved and it's
14:34:22 unclear kind of who's taking the lead on this and that leaves you know something of a vacuum of decision making and leadership.
14:34:31 So. I like the idea of a consultant. But then, you know, kind of how do we funnel the right parties into that process?
14:34:43 What is the decision-making process? You know, I think there's some other questions there.
14:34:48 I also think we just want to call out the importance of tribal participation in this, which I know they've been invited tomorrow, but let's not lose sight of that and as really
key partners to have at the table too.
14:35:00 So I think that we'd be. Generally in support of what you're saying Mark but I would like to be able to identify kind of what some basic governance structure for how we move
forward.
14:35:14 You know, one of the thoughts that I had is You know, we could, I have been assuming that ultimately, if we are moving forward with a regional 2 county application.
14:35:34 That ultimately there's certainly should be some engagement from our respective boards and So could we consider a pointing?
14:35:38 You know, sort of, lean. Leadership team, you know, perhaps with a representative from each of our boards, representative from our Edc's Karen from NDC, potentially leaders
from our tribal governmental partners.
14:35:58 I'm not sure who else, but some sort of a, you know, sort of a leadership team that could work through how what's the if we contract with someone to pull this process and application
together, how does that look?
14:36:14 What does that scope of work look like? That team can maybe make some recommendations about whether we're going to shoot for the work look like.
14:36:24 That team can maybe make some recommendations about whether we're going to do some recommendations about whether we're going to shoot for applying for strategy development.
14:36:25 Recompete plan grant for both at the same time. Well, how we wanna start thinking about some other components of the program, what identifying your recomplete plan coordinator.
14:36:40 For example, I there certainly are other models, but that would be one starting point that I thought about would just sort of be creating a task force.
14:36:50 And then maybe setting, setting potentially another joint meeting for a month or so down the road for a month or so down the road for a check-in for a month or so down the road,
you know, setting potentially another joint meeting for a month or so down the road, for a check-in with this task force or an update. I don't know what, others may have.
14:37:04 I think that sounds great. Go ahead, Randy.
14:37:05 That's Yeah, go ahead.
14:37:06 No, no, after you, I insist.
14:37:08 Yeah, no, I totally agree with that. I think given the amount of time we have, which is what, 75 days or.
14:37:14 Little bit more than that I guess but it's not very much and we need somewhat more flexibility I think than trying to get everyone together all at once to meet for every potential
thing we have and I've often thought that we could have a mini board of directors ad hoc for this period of time.
14:37:34 Leading up doc over fifth I think is the drop dead date so I'm just agreeing with Mark so
14:37:40 Yeah, I think we're all in in support of that. Yeah, task force and the membership that you talk about Mark sounds like a great 5 person starting point too.
14:37:50 Plus that whatever tribal. Representatives we can get. And, you know, just in, in the spirit of teamwork, of course, I wore the full ozias today.
14:38:00 I don't know if you noticed that. Let's see that.
14:38:02 Oh.
14:38:00 I'm not bounce.
14:38:05 Yeah, all right, well, we. We do, I think we should wrap it up for now, but I think we're on on the same page as to the importance of this planning and the fact that we all
We need to be at the table and make it as small of a group as possible to start with just so we
14:38:28 can kind of get some ground ground rules. Mark will be there for us tomorrow with the, NODC meeting and thanks for doing that and we'll, Well, keep working on it, I guess.
14:38:44 Yeah, maybe we, each board could a point person. to serve in that role.
14:38:49 I wonder Karen is that something as you as the economic development district for the region, a coordinator would be willing to convene the first meeting.
14:38:58 Yeah, absolutely. And that was certainly the way forward that was that we had suggested on the agenda for tomorrow.
14:39:06 Was to have some sort of a coordinating committee. So I think it makes a lot of sense and I'd be happy to convene a first meeting if everybody let me know who you want at the
table.
14:39:15 Okay, we'll make that decision today and make sure it gets to you at the meeting tomorrow. Well.
14:39:20 And just one last thought is, you know, Colleen mentioned that the Clown EDC has put some dollars aside to, you know, to assist with a consultant to do this, to do this work.
14:39:36 I don't know if there are others who have other individuals in mind, but obviously we should be prepared.
14:39:44 With any other, you know, any other ideas, so that we can pretty quickly determine with who we want to work and what that process looks like.
14:39:54 And, we'll go ahead and, at our board process next week, determine which of the commissioners is gonna from.
14:40:01 I will be the lead on that group. You know, I think we can sort of chew on it a little bit.
14:40:09 Yeah, maybe then tomorrow at the NO DC together and hopefully we can determine what the final makeup of that group is and hopefully we can determine what the final makeup of
that group is and then they can start working through how to.
14:40:19 How to relate to the rest of us and what the next steps are and what our timeline needs to look like.
14:40:28 The last comment I make is I've had to, which my fellow commissioners haven't, the pleasure of listening to the current consultant that started with the Economic Development
Council and their flexible, they are knowledgeable, they are high power, they understand and I was Very, very, very much. Of course the Jefferson County
14:40:53 commissioners haven't listened to them either, but I certainly hope that they at least have the opportunity to listen to them either but I certainly hope that they at least
have the opportunity to listen to them think about their programs and how they might possibly have the opportunity to listen to them think about their programs and how they might possibly
have the opportunity to listen to
14:41:13 them, think about their programs and how they might possibly. The diverse group in both counties and how they had also meet the timeline.
14:41:13 It's pretty short.
14:41:15 I keep coming back
14:41:17 And I'll just say too, like I think that this 5 member kind of advisory board maybe with test course with tribal representation does not at all preclude the need for a lot of
other folks that may be at a larger coordinating committee, certainly with representation from the private sector.
14:41:44 Yes.
14:41:37 And so this is not a hijacking of a process. It's a like let's let's start from yeah yeah, get our folks on board and then.
14:41:47 Oh.
14:41:47 And then go back to the grassroots. All right, sounds good. Well, next time, let's do it in person.
14:41:52 Yeah.
14:41:54 We'll come up there, Be in the same room with you guys. I think we.
14:41:58 Sounds great. Thank you very much for hosting us today. Thank you.
14:42:01 Okay, yep, thanks for being here. All thanks for all your guests. We're gonna transition to our next agenda item.
14:42:09 So we will talk to you soon and really appreciate this conversation. Thanks guys.
14:42:11 Oops.
14:42:09 Thank you. Okay.
14:42:15 Okay, so as we as people transition out of the room, we will cycle into our next big agenda topic.
14:42:21 We've got lots of county folk in the room and we're gonna pass it over to you Mark.
14:42:27 We're gonna start on looking at our strategic plan for. First of all, Renee Bryant from Very Done.
14:42:33 I'd like to invite her to the table. First of all, Renee Bryant, first of all, Rene Bryant from Barry Done.
14:42:36 I'd like to invite her to the table and she Welcome Rene. It's good to see you again. Thanks for being here.
14:43:01 Nice to meet you. So you want me to pull up plan? This is Michelle. She's on.
14:43:08 Oh, great. Do you have a? Michelle, you'll need to accept promotion to panelists to share your screen.
14:43:16 Let me know that's too much. That'll be good. Mary, alright, I think Michelle's gonna share their heart.
14:43:23 All right, Michelle, you should be able to hit share screen and share the screen whenever you want.
14:43:32 Yeah, you'll see your people complaining about it.
14:43:34 Yeah, and I'll turn my video on too. Sorry. Yeah, just give me a moment to grab the documents.
14:43:42 And while I'm doing that though, I can get us kicked off with just a little bit of background.
14:43:47 So it seems like a longer time ago than it really is, but we met with with the board 2 months ago to gather your input on into the strategic planning process to share with you
the environmental scans that we put together.
14:44:05 And took all of your input and then met with The other elected officials and county department leadership in a meeting at the end of that same week where we took your work and
built upon it.
14:44:24 Refining some of what you came up with as well as adding objectives and performance measures.
14:44:30 Which built out the detail of the plan and what we're presenting to you today is the draft work, that we've been working on for several weeks now.
14:44:42 Heidi is part of our project management team and so she's been engaged. Through the entire journey.
14:44:48 From the very beginning of project initiation until today. So she's a little more familiar with what is here and can also provide some additional context in that role that she's
been serving in.
14:45:01 Your objective today is to Take this draft and present it to you, walk you through it. Answer questions that you have, make refinements that you like to make because this is
now your document to.
14:45:19 To polish and put all of the fine tuning on that will make it. The final actionable strategic plan that we're going to arrive at for Jefferson County.
14:45:29 So. I think I have the document now. Any, was that a good summary, Renee and are there any questions from the board before we start diving into the document itself?
14:45:40 Yes, I, if I need to speak up, I'm notoriously, underwhelming with my volume. I'm notoriously, underwhelming with my volume.
14:45:55 Yeah.
14:45:51 We need to move up a little closer, but then just like, yeah, I can sing a song.
14:46:01 A caveat that this isn't a step by step plan of things that the county needs to do.
14:46:05 This is a structure. This is a way for the county to focus on the goals and objectives that you and your planning teams have set for yourselves.
14:46:15 And there's a lot more work to be done to get there, but my personal opinion is the folks who have worked on this.
14:46:21 To provided the actual substance of the process have done an outstanding job and I would like to recognize them for the record.
14:46:31 Yeah.
14:46:32 Heidi Isaac Power. Thank you very much, Commissioner. Mark McCauley. Who was there all along the way through ups and downs and crises of various sorts.
14:46:42 Okay.
14:46:44 Mostly crises on my part. Chris Foy. Stacy Prada, Apple Martine, Wendy Davis, and also Carolyn Galloway.
14:46:54 Who was instrumental in helping our retreat happen. Julie Shannon and Edie L.
14:47:02 McKnight. I hope I'm pronouncing her name. I got all very, very, important parts of this process.
14:47:07 So thank you all and I wanted to make sure their names were in the record for the work they did.
14:47:11 Thank you, Rene, for doing that. And just a, an additional note for me, you know, we work collaboratively with our clients.
14:47:23 Across the country to do this work. I've been doing local government strategic planning for 25 years.
14:47:27 And the amount of commitment. Of this project management team. The names of which Rene mentioned. And the effort and dedication that they displayed to get to this product is
Quite phenomenal.
14:47:45 The level of ownership in it. I think it's the thing that I really want to highlight because It's a spectrum of how much clients will really fully engage and own the plan and
how much they want the consultant to to really create it and use your team to full ownership of this plan and we're very grateful for that because
14:48:10 it's the plan is only as good as the thinking that went into it and only as good as the ownership in actually implementing it once you adopt it as a board.
14:48:21 So.
14:48:23 So first, the first thing, go ahead, Michelle. I'm sorry to interrupt you. Go ahead.
14:48:26 No, no, I was, that was all I wanted to say.
14:48:28 So we're gonna go through it piece by piece. Hope you've had a chance to look at over your piece by piece.
14:48:39 Yeah.
14:48:35 Hope you've had a chance to look at over yourselves and make some notations. I hope you've had a chance to look at over yourselves and make some notations. Very small ones,
I hope.
14:48:56 And so I'm gonna go through the first page, which is the mission statement, the vision statement and the core values. And I'm sorry, Renee.
14:48:59 Yes. Shall we interrupt with questions? How would you like to deal with questions? And feel free. Yeah, interrupt as we go along.
14:49:03 Mich project team, but we'll do the best we can, today. So just so we kind of levels that where we've been since we were last together in the room upstairs, which is I think
is the last time.
14:49:15 We were all talking about this. The leadership team of the county had 2 days of a retreat. And really flushed out kind of the the spark the sparks the tax we stuck on the law
that day And every week the leadership team is a meeting and kind of working through that.
14:49:32 The part of this that I'm most excited. By are the performance finishers, which you'll see shortly.
14:49:38 But it's really important to me that like how do we know we're getting towards this you know objective of ours how we know how do how do we know we're making progress And so
I would ask of you 2 to look at the performance, pay close attention to the performance measures.
14:49:55 And if you think, why didn't you think of measuring this? Please speak up and pipe, you know, because we, it felt like on the leadership team a couple of times we were like,
okay, performance measure had that, you know, and we come up with 10 and then we narrow it down to 2 but But
14:50:10 there's something that feels particularly important to either of you. I would really, I'm just.
14:50:14 That's why I focused most of my notes. I think it's great to see him in there and they're tricky and counting things is really subjective.
14:50:25 So it's really important to think about how to do that and also not creating a lot of work for staff that doesn't exist.
14:50:35 A lot of work for staff that doesn't exist. So a lot of those performance measures were pre-existing data points and I loved it
14:50:35 Oh, your comment is so well taken and I just as since Heidi has made the point about performance measures, I just like to give kind of an overarching.
14:50:45 Kind of point of guidance about those. So performance measures show up in 3 different types typically in strategic plans.
14:50:53 You will see progress milestone measures where we've said we're going to complete a certain thing by this date, right?
14:51:01 Then you'll see some measures where we're actually measuring something over time, which might be a trend line.
14:51:08 It might be the numbers of things. It might be the percentage increase or reduction. And then you're gonna, we tried and this was the hardest part of this is trying to identify
some impact and outcome measures that actually show a demonstrated impact in the community of something that the county is working on.
14:51:29 So good strategic plans usually have all 3. Outcome measures are harder. So, if you don't see a lot of those know that you're not alone in that.
14:51:41 It's very difficult to measure impact and a lot of times you're trying to measure things that you don't have when you're measuring impact.
14:51:48 They're trying to measure something that the county doesn't have full control over. So I'll leave it there and take your, we can take your comments about performance measures
as we go through the document.
14:51:59 And I would just add real quickly to just never forget that this is a 5 year plan. So that especially when you're measuring impact or specific outcomes.
14:52:08 As you go forward. You can massage this plan. You can change it. You could say we're measuring the wrong thing here.
14:52:14 We need to really be measuring something else. It's going to define much clearer whether or not you're meeting your objectives.
14:52:21 Can I ask a couple other high high questions I guess before we get into it. I mean, do do folks do municipalities update their 5 year strategic plan?
14:52:32 I mean, as you're talking about, to municipalities update their 5 year strategic plan. I mean, as you're talking about, is that is that kind of ongoing.
14:52:36 Oh, that's the wrong performance measure. We're going to come back in 3 years. We're going to come back in 3 years and adjust that or is it?
14:52:40 Municipalities or government entities which are serious about their plans do that yes other ones just put them in a drawing you never hear from them again.
14:52:49 Right.
14:52:48 Right. And so you should be doing some type of at at the very least and formal annual report on your strategic plan and staff should be bringing to you suggestions for updated
objectiveives and or performance measures based on experience.
14:53:08 Now that annual review should not necessarily be considered an overhaul of your strategic plan. It should be a refinement.
14:53:16 It should be based on experience and based on progress over the last 12 months. Our recommendation is that staff track it more frequently than that and you may want them to
report to you more frequently than annually, which is fine.
14:53:31 That's something we can also, you know, nail down as we move towards adoption. Of the plan.
14:53:36 And my other big questions, Is that right? Just what are the next steps and when do you anticipate?
14:53:44 I mean, assuming that, you know, all's golden here. What are the next steps in front of us?
14:53:49 To adopt this plan.
14:53:45 Yeah. Yep. Yep. So, we will come out of today with your, Hopefully having answered a lot of your questions.
14:53:58 Making any refinements as Rene suggested on the fly, which I'll be doing.
14:54:03 I have control of a document here and could do that. And if there's something that we need to follow up with staff because you have questions or We're not sure about something,
then we would do that follow up as quickly as possible.
14:54:16 Then very done. Takes all of that. Everything you give us today, we refine that.
14:54:23 We put it into a graphically designed document that would be appropriate for placement on your website and for distribution to your community.
14:54:32 And that is a process that we'll work with the team on to select the right images for the plan and all of those pieces and then it come after that design version is completed
it comes back to you for a adoption and hopefully at that point that because we've had this work session today there should be no surprises and so We have
14:54:53 also, planned for, an implementation, planning effort with your project management team and the leadership group that, fleshed out the plan where we will set you up for success
by identifying sort of the cadence for progress reporting for the different measures that are in the plan.
14:55:14 And making sure that a proper structure is in place. For you to be able to not only track progress, but to evaluate your plan.
14:55:22 And although you as commissioners have the final say on. Adopting the plan, we have also as part of the ongoing conversation with the leadership group agree that there's going
to be another signatory page so that your elected leaders and a leadership group can also be signatories to this plan because they were very much a part of it.
14:55:43 Yeah, that sounds great. Yeah, and I want to echo something that Monty Reinder said when staff was at a campus site following your retreat.
14:55:53 He made the comment there that the county does a thousand things that aren't. Explicitly called out in this plan and he just wanted you all to know that this is a strategic
direction for some global strategic objectives, but to not lose sight of all the other myriad things that the county does.
14:56:13 Hounded.
14:56:17 So, alright, I'll get started then. Let's do first. We've got a vision statement and emissions statement.
14:56:22 There's no actual correct order for putting putting this down. Some people start out with a mission statement because the mission statement describes where you are now, what
you do.
14:56:31 And a vision statement is what you want to be. It is an aspirational statement about the future of future state.
14:56:38 So let's go the vision statement and if you have questions or comments. Jump in and let's talk about it okay.
14:56:45 Do you want me to read it to you or do you want me to assume that you're grown up so you read it on your own.
14:56:55 How do you have to do unless it helps you to read it out loud? I think we can we can read it on the screen too.
14:57:02 I think I think both the vision, the vision statement I think looks great. My only concern is it had too many words, not enough jazz hands, but I think that's probably just
because you're trying to put a lot into it.
14:57:13 There was, they were even longer to begin with after your first. At first meeting with you guys, they were much longer and and your your planning groups did make it shorter,
more concise.
14:57:24 And I think from my point of view the thing to point out to you is that in the mission statement I think they do a really good job of describing where you are, what you do.
14:57:32 Right now in in Jefferson County and it is it's about the county itself. When you look at the vision statement, it's also about the community of Jefferson County.
14:57:42 It's about the people of Jefferson County. And I think that's very instrumental. Terms of making the the differentiation between a mission statement and a vision statement.
14:57:54 The vision is all about better place when I always use the the example of a road trip all the time if you're gonna go on a vacation that maybe that your mission is to get from
one place to the other.
14:58:06 Your vision. Is to go to Disneyland. Your vision is to go to the happiest place on earth.
14:58:13 And I think I think both of these do a good job of explaining that.
14:58:18 Corps values. Oh, go ahead. Any other questions?
14:58:18 Yes. I was just gonna make a comment that If the board would prefer the team to try to make the statements a bit more concise we could take that advice and see if we could tear
them a little bit.
14:58:38 Mark's like, no, Michelle, don't say that. We're good.
14:58:46 Hey.
14:58:35 Do you do you see Mark? Oh. Well, I have a I have a net neutral request. My only concern about these is that I, worried that the mission statement wasn't an inclusive enough
that it that there would be residents of our community that don't feel a part of that or don't feel served by
14:59:03 it. And I just wondered if instead of in the last line for current and future generations, if that could be for current and future generations if that could be for current and
future residents.
14:59:13 That we're really talking about people who live here for whom this is their home and It's a much more concrete way of saying we are serving the people who live here.
14:59:22 Instead of an abstract generations. If that's it, I'll buy. I like
14:59:31 Hey Mark, I'm sorry you don't have an ability to kick me under the table because I'm virtual but feel free to anyway.
14:59:35 Okay. I use hand signals.
14:59:41 Okay.
14:59:45 Can I just ask about the grammar and the vision statement? I'm supportive of changing that to residents as Kate suggested.
14:59:50 So, let's see. We preserve our natural resource and coherence supported a robust economy.
14:59:59 Here I am reading it. Innovates and provides leadership in growth management. And I guess that just that that claws seems reductive.
15:00:07 So we're that's where we only where we provide leadership and innovation because that's sort of what it I believe grammatically it says is that our leadership is confined to
Growth Management.
15:00:16 And I don't, I don't have a solution. I just, it's a question.
15:00:23 If you put a comma after innovates, that would solve the grammar problem. Hmm. Well, you probably have to take out and as well, right?
15:00:28 Innovates, provides. I don't know what exactly what it's trying to say.
15:00:33 No, that's a good point. No, that actually. Like I don't have your chatsy piece.
15:00:43 I did throw this through GBP, but that was a human, creative question. With and remove between innovates and provides.
15:00:51 That, cause we do innovate in other things. So that, Greg, that was, I think that was a great catch.
15:00:59 It does not though address. Greg's point that, it's If you read it very literally, it suggests that the only thing the county provides leadership in is growth management.
15:01:14 Yeah.
15:01:14 But again, it's a vision statement saying where you're going to focus your leadership. So if we look at it that way, I think it's good.
15:01:23 I think it's okay.
15:01:28 So do we leave it the way it is or do you want us to change it? So I would say the way we're gonna approach the UGA and.
15:01:36 Padlock and what we're gonna do with the lambs might demonstrate innovation and growth management.
15:01:44 What if we moved it up to innovates, comma, cultivates diversity and provides leadership in growth management?
15:01:51 Like as I think we are trying to provide leadership and growth management. We're very unique. We're all county.
15:01:55 That's good.
15:01:58 Yeah. Yep.
15:01:56 But it just separates the innovates. It puts the app somewhere where it's more obvious listing different.
15:02:06 Yeah, it does.
15:02:05 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. All right, we have we have 3 nods here going so we're gonna move on then to the mission statement.
15:02:15 Big values.
15:02:16 Core values, core values. I thought these were great. Alright. I'll just kind of look through again.
15:02:26 I didn't have any notes. I know Heidi's on on board with this. All right.
15:02:37 Select of our conversations. I'm glad to, you know, that it percolated through the leadership team.
15:02:38 I'm glad to, you know, that it percolated through the leadership team and the other contributions.
15:02:39 And I mean, I'm glad too, you know, that it percolated through the leadership team and the other contributions.
15:02:40 And I mean, I recognize it.
15:02:39 Well, yeah, I'm glad you do because you guys generated a lot of the language for this and then the team later took it really seriously.
15:02:48 They spent a lot of time talking through these and what they meant.
15:02:53 Alright, you wanna start in the community resilience Michelle with the first enormous measure?
15:02:57 Yep. Yep, so, Rene and I'll be kind of toggling back and forth between each of these.
15:03:06 Strategic priorities. Again, the bolded priorities should not be surprising to you. They you you all really set the set the stage for those.
15:03:17 We also took the brainstorming that you did around what would it look like in 5 years if we were really doing what we wanted to be doing and that's where the goal statement
came from.
15:03:29 So those priorities and those goals are really your work and then The objectives are what got layered on as we drilled in and go deeper.
15:03:38 So. Any questions about the goal statement itself? Refinements.
15:03:46 I guess my one. My biggest question is Community resilience to me means a lot more than that.
15:03:55 It's in so it just seems reductive to where it's all about health and safety kind of after that.
15:04:02 But community resilience could talk about food resilience or infrastructure. You know, all of these things are aspects of community resilience.
15:04:10 So I find I found the It maybe not broad enough maybe some of these objectives. Some of these objectives were very actionable and it was great, you know, checking vaccines.
15:04:24 I thought it was great. I'm not sure if maybe it's the strategic priority of community resilience that is really I think a lot of the different strategic priorities.
15:04:36 What about this?
15:04:33 Speak to that. I don't know. Before we change it. Before we change the title, Michelle is the priority.
15:04:39 No.
15:04:41 Should we decide whether objectives and the goal is appropriate and change the title of the priority or Do we do work to bring?
15:04:52 To broaden what it means and bring additional objectives and performance measures to you.
15:04:58 Right. So I guess the question is. The way this was I think the naming of the priority.
15:05:07 Is, is, is more subjective than the, the, focus that's here.
15:05:16 So the goal statement came from the board's discussions around health and safety and community livability related to that.
15:05:25 So I'm not sure resilience. Is correct. However, if the objectives speak to broader than health and safety, then my suggestion would be we would need to broaden the goal statement
to reflect that.
15:05:45 Yeah.
15:05:41 So it's gonna be one of the 2. We either need to broaden the goal statement. Or we need to change the strategic priority to reflect the goal.
15:05:50 And Michelle, you just said community livability. Would that be a more accurate and broader statement to.
15:06:02 But beyond that, if the board has other interests like food security and other things. That reflect the state of our community.
15:06:08 Do we need another strategic objective? I don't know if that's a reasonable. Objective to take.
15:06:22 That honestly is the is the hang up here the word resilience because all of the objectives. Focus on how Yeah, so I think that it's just.
15:06:29 I think that's the hangout. The word resilience. So Michelle, you were relabeling that priority community something else.
15:06:40 Yeah, but I also I also think that I don't know I like resilience because I think it really speaks to you know what we want.
15:06:48 I like resilience because I think it really speaks to you know what we want a community that is empowered to overcome adversity.
15:06:50 And especially in a changing. In many a changing environment in many different ways. So I don't know.
15:06:59 I don't really want to get rid of resilience. I'd be okay with Livability and maybe incorporate some of those concepts of overcoming adversity in the goal statement.
15:07:10 I think it's just not placed in the right spot. Here.
15:07:17 Well, also recognize that When you have a broad strategic priority. It can it can be the idea is to make it broad so you can fit different things under it.
15:07:30 So maybe your initial focus. Is health and safety. As it relates to resilience and maybe 3 years from now or 5 years from now, you're gonna focus on something different.
15:07:42 That's another way to think about it.
15:07:46 And just because not every aspect of quote unquote a resilient community is in the plan again this comes from the initial work that in directions that you guys gave us.
15:07:59 So that this isn't This isn't something that was just made up. This was these were the priorities that you said initially.
15:08:09 And like Michelle said, if you need to change some of those. In the future, resilient can mean a lot of different stuff.
15:08:15 Hey, and it.
15:08:15 I'm actually fine with the focus on health and safety just because that's such core services of a county government.
15:08:23 A massive part of our budget goes to the departments that provide health and safety. Like I think it's fine to call that out and to the departments that provide health and safety.
15:08:31 Like I think it's fine to call that out and to prioritize that. Like I think it's fine to call that out and to prioritize that because you know.
15:08:32 Livability like when there's a whole housing goal. There's, we touch on other goals,
15:08:42 And I would say as go ahead, go ahead.
15:08:45 Oh no, I was just gonna, you know. Move along i don't want to get high centered on anything it's not something on the first Okay.
15:08:54 Well, and I would just offer if the board feels like there is something missing around resiliency that you would like to see highlighted here by all means.
15:09:06 We could add an objective and you know we could broaden the goal statement beyond health and safety so that if you want to keep going and think a little bit more about it.
15:09:15 That's fine. Okay.
15:09:14 That's it. Resilience is really important to have in the plan. And I think it becomes clear as we move through this that it's It's it's an okay place for it.
15:09:32 Well, everything's interconnected, right? These are no strategic priority truly stands alone because you'll see objectives that you could put under more than one goal, right?
15:09:44 And that's kind of how this works because things are so integrated. So before we move on to.
15:09:50 The next strategic priority, which is economic vitality. Do you have any other feedback on this one?
15:09:56 Objectives or performance measures questions clarifying
15:10:03 Yes, go ahead. Tell me which, tell me where.
15:10:08 Yeah.
15:10:01 Yes. And anyone of course can interject at any point, Like objective one. It's It's limited to.
15:10:16 Kind of the health and I'm wondering why it's Why isn't this to all of public participation?
15:10:23 And I guess why isn't, you know, Facebook hits on the public health Facebook page and the Jefferson County Facebook page.
15:10:30 A better metric. I guess I'm not sure I understand fully. Objective one if it's
15:10:38 Yeah, If it's Why just health and not all of the county services when we're talking about public participation.
15:10:50 Because it would be impossible to do this in a strategic plan is basically what it comes down to. If we try to measure everything all the time, then we measure nothing.
15:10:59 This is a, this is a, a measure specifically related to health and safety services. And so trying to measure some portion of that is the first objective.
15:11:13 Correct.
15:11:13 So that there was something we could measure. Although, what is health and safety? I think that's pretty massive measure.
15:11:23 Would incorporate a lot of our work.
15:11:27 Okay. Does that make sense? I mean, and I don't mean to be flipping my answer to you.
15:11:33 Well, and you know in evaluating our communications program. Evaluating the full spectrum of communications would be a worthy thing for Wendy to undertake.
15:11:43 Right. But how are we doing specifically in regards to this priority?
15:11:50 That's correct. That's what this is. And the measures are directly connected. To the objectives that are listed there.
15:11:58 So. That is that that was the recommendation of 2 ways that are possible to measure that first objective.
15:12:09 But like our community outreach events that we're doing right now. You know, or could we call those help and aimed at health and safety of our community?
15:12:19 Maybe. Well, you know, Apple gets up and talks about her department and sharing some information. You know, when our attendees are invited to speak, they're typically interested
in zoning or law enforcement or roads.
15:12:34 But still you could give yourself a checkmark for a little outreach.
15:12:44 Yes.
15:12:39 That sounds good. And can I go to the performance measures on objective 2? I mean, it looks like if we got all the instances of outreach from Jefferson County, maybe it would
be a number, 1317.
15:12:54 I guess I'm wondering if, something out of the community health improvement plan that's coming or a completed updated community health improvement plan is a better.
15:13:01 Measure of that then. A single number of events.
15:13:09 Yeah, that's the kind of things I was trying to think about.
15:13:26 Yes.
15:13:16 I agree that's a better measure. And then I assume there are going to be some measures in the community.
15:13:35 I like it.
15:13:35 And Associated Measures.
15:13:40 Books Associated.
15:13:41 Yep, I like. There you go. Cause the mere completion of a plan doesn't tell you much.
15:13:47 We should do something with it.
15:13:48 That's right.
15:13:51 Objective 3, I was wondering about the all county picnic and just attendance at the Alcany picnic is another performance measure.
15:14:01 Oh.
15:13:58 It kind of depends on what you're serving to eat though, doesn't it?
15:14:06 That would be a good another good performance measure. In prep if it's successful will go down. I just feel like it's one of those measures like if it's great.
15:14:18 500 people trained the first year and then you have 10 people trained in second year. You think, oh well that's stopped working but maybe it's just that you have.
15:14:27 But it should be it's I read that as cumulative. Right. I read it more as the number of participants in the in-prep program.
15:14:39 Right. That's how I was thinking of that. Well, it's trained. I don't know.
15:14:46 I'm also reading a book about counting, so I'm really, I am sorry.
15:14:51 I'm maybe I am high centered on the performance measures.
15:14:55 It's okay. That's good.
15:14:57 So is there a different way you'd like to measure this?
15:15:03 Go ahead. Brent Brent had a comment to make. Come up to the microphone. And anyone that's in, you know, part of the team or part of the county staff, please, we want.
15:15:14 Anyone that's in part of the team or part of the county staff please we want your. We did not include an objective 2 tribes and I just was curious as to whether they should
be included in that group.
15:15:22 Oh, an objective too.
15:15:28 Yep.
15:15:26 Yeah. So, got it.
15:15:37 So. Going back to the objective 3 performance measures are we making a new performance? Can we say number of residents participating in prep. I would be satisfied with that
annually.
15:16:02 Yeah.
15:15:58 I mean, that's what I kind of thought it was getting at. It's the number of people participating.
15:16:04 Yeah, that would be fine.
15:16:05 Okay, got it.
15:16:08 I have that same concern. Greg and number 5, like, do we want crisis calls to go up or do we want them to go down?
15:16:16 Right. Exactly.
15:16:20 Do we want more encounters with navigator program? Yeah, is that success? Yeah, I know it's more crises. Yeah, I know it's more crises.
15:16:34 Well, the people that know about it, the more calls you might get. Problems that people have than the number of my.
15:16:43 I mean the act of measuring these things and having the annual conversation about these. Metrics would be super beneficial.
15:16:48 Hiya.
15:16:47 Absolutely. So, and remember, so another thing to remember is that you're You're not intentionally measuring these things right now connected to your strategy, right?
15:17:00 So every one of these where there's a number associated with it, there's going to be a baseline in the first reporting period, whether that's a quarter or every 6 months or
annual or whatever it is.
15:17:15 And so you might not even know. You know, until you get what the trend line is gonna be for a couple of years.
15:17:19 So look at it like that and look at that you might go in and tweak these performance measures or you might go in and say, wow, you know.
15:17:27 This is going up or this is going down and then evaluate. Is that a good thing? A neutral thing or a bad thing?
15:17:33 And that's where that intentional conversation around your strategic plan becomes so important.
15:17:41 So with that, with those comments, do you wanna change anything and the measures for objective 5?
15:17:50 What would you like to change?
15:17:51 Oh Chris go ahead commissioners I just wanted to add that wherever we put the words number as opposed to an increase or a decrease that was that was conscious on the part of
the folks drafting it.
15:18:07 A recognition that this is a this is a metric that we care deeply about, It might not necessarily go in in the qualitative way that one might intuitively think it might go and
yet we still want to track it.
15:18:19 And wherever we could, we tried to balance. Multiple performance measures to account for the fact that something going down might mean that something else is going up and that
there's always interplay there.
15:18:28 So for instance, if you have if the number of 9 1 one calls is going down. You might have an increase in the right time right place health care access.
15:18:41 That's a
15:18:38 Which is for instance. Yeah, I mean tracking how many repeat 9 1 one calls there are in a year.
15:18:48 You know a year that gives a better idea of you know people that are using emergency services rather than preventive services rather than preventive services and everything.
15:18:54 You know, make the behavioral health advisory committee or some other group that's already collecting this data just, you know, you know, based I don't know.
15:19:09 I mean, we're not gonna have access to the 9 8 8 numbers. That doesn't even touch the people that call our local crisis line, our statewide crisis line, and 900, and one calls
we have different police departments and fire departments that code things differently.
15:19:23 So behavioral health calls has been really problematic to say, is this call a behavioral health call or is, is a B and E, you know, it's, it's, challenging to get this data.
15:19:33 Unencumbered and I'm wondering if we can just task a pre-existing department or group.
15:19:41 To come up with those. Performance measures. Right. Well, Commissioner, Greg, you ask what are the follow-on steps?
15:19:49 Well, if this plan is blessed, then it's up to staff to go. And do all the things that you're talking about.
15:19:55 What's the best way to collect the data? Are there multiple sources so we can check one source against another and that sort of thing.
15:20:05 That's right.
15:20:03 And these conversations were had with the leadership understanding that that there might be there might have to be some tweaking or some gathering of new data even to get to
a place where the data is meaningful.
15:20:17 And it means meaningful as an evaluation tool.
15:20:20 Hmm.
15:20:22 Yeah, I mean. The navigator is mentioned twice as well, right?
15:20:29 In counters and people served. Oh, so just to give it 2 different. Numbers but again so does that take into effect the real team that comes that you might be engaging with you
know if someone engages with the real team that I'm not gonna to see that the law enforcement navigator and then you have the police
15:20:50 navigator. And then you have the CARES team, which is like the Fire EMS navigator.
15:20:55 So you have 4 different groups that are possibly dealing with the same population. And if one of them deals with them and gets them engaged with services rather than a different
agency.
15:21:03 They end up not being counted so your numbers are The numbers may not be. Completely accurate and they may be subject to sifting or different kinds of evaluation but I go back
to what I said earlier It's we want to have a plan.
15:21:21 Where we have a starting place. For obtaining data. Determine whether or not the data is accurate or valuable.
15:21:32 And making changes if necessary. So I see this and again I go back to We had a really robust conversation about this in terms of.
15:21:43 You know, how valuable this data would be. And there was commitment from the people in the room that, you know, they think they can get it.
15:21:49 Keep good data. And I think the sheriff's office stood up and said a few things that we may call on you Joe to say a few words about this.
15:21:58 It's a starting place. It is not a, it's, it's not, may not be perfect, but as you go forward you have something to look at and evaluate going forward and it can be changed
in the future.
15:22:10 But.
15:22:10 And if there's a concrete example of a different way to measure objective 5, we would absolutely want to hear that.
15:22:21 I think it's impossible to measure it objectively. I guess that's what I'm getting to.
15:22:25 There's always gonna be, I would almost rather have you know, whether it's the BHC or, you know, a leadership team, give a narrative evaluation based on the numbers just because
these numbers can be used.
15:22:40 So many different, I don't know. The hodgepodge of different numbers generated Seems like it would generate a lot of noise.
15:22:49 You know, like your your range of accuracy on how you can assess those numbers could vary so wildly.
15:22:57 I mean, we do it with the point in time count every year where commerce changes. What is considered homeless and when when the scale changes it's impossible to really get trend
lines and you end up kind of adding narrative subjectivity or subjective narrative on top of the numbers.
15:23:15 And I'm wondering if as a performance measure, if just saying. I mean, maybe it's ship again, you know, that's coming up, you know.
15:23:23 Request a report on health system gaps from our community health improvement plan.
15:23:32 I don't know. I mean, I think the value of This is that. Our department directors or fellow elected said these are the indicators that are will be most telling in this 5 year
period and reflect, you know, over time.
15:23:55 The key. You know, whatever performance that we're looking at. That this isn't comprehensive.
15:24:04 It's can't pretend to be comprehensive. It's saying. What are the few things that we know indicate that we are either working towards meeting our goal or not?
15:24:15 I agree that it's not comprehensive enough to be satisfying, but I think that is outside the scope of this.
15:24:22 It's giving us some trend lines that Are we headed in the right direction? Oh, this Mark shared that Monty said earlier, you know, there's a lot of things not in the plan.
15:24:35 We're like trying to get it things we can track. They're already being tracked. They're already being tracked.
15:24:38 Right, and it goes back to the comment that was made at the very beginning. Regarding performance measures in that.
15:24:45 You wanna try to pick some data points that you can. You have data available. If you have to go out and get it, that's a huge capacity generated from nowhere.
15:24:57 That's a huge capacity issue for staff. You can't spend all of your time measuring things.
15:25:01 You have to find that balance between understanding if you're making progress and actually taking action on the objectives that are in the plan.
15:25:15 Yeah.
15:25:11 So we got to be careful that we don't make it. Too onerous and we also need to recognize that some of what is gonna be trapped you don't have a baseline for.
15:25:22 And so the data is gonna paint some kind of a picture and then you get to decide after you have the data and you can analyze it what what you need to do or not do.
15:25:34 I guess I would I would get more value from you know the public health director summarizing this data and making a report in 5Â min.
15:25:46 My my suggestion is that that is exactly what will happen because if the public health director is at Apple. If, she is looking at information about how many mental health calls
as opposed to 9 1 one calls this, you know, she's looking at this variety of data.
15:26:02 She will be able to come to you and say, we have been monitoring this on a quarterly basis, perhaps.
15:26:08 And we have seen a rise in this or arising that and as a result of that, this is what we have done.
15:26:13 That's the purpose of a performance measure. And that's the report that would come to you.
15:26:18 It's I don't think they would just come give you a bunch of numbers and say, you'll make up what you want.
15:26:21 That there will be analysis that goes along with this. And again, I would underscore what Rene said earlier, the team members that help to create these performance measures
in their respective areas of expertise had some pretty deep conversations.
15:26:39 About what they thought would be helpful, useful, what they thought they had access to and, and would be useful for measuring.
15:26:46 Progress or at least a trying to measure. Progress and then seeing if something else different would be better.
15:26:55 Ask this specific question about this list of performance measures. Since I wasn't in the room, the last 2, what's the difference between encounters and number of people served?
15:27:04 Maybe this is to you, Joe. I don't know. But that we felt it was important to have those 2 distinct bullets about the navigator program.
15:27:14 I'm not I don't understand your question. Sorry.
15:27:17 What's the difference between the last 2 bullets on the screen? A number of sheriffs mental health.
15:27:24 Navigator program encounters per year versus number of people served by the navigator.
15:27:30 I would when that when we talked about that I thought of that as the number of encounters would be how many calls did the did the navigator go on versus how many calls was he
able to actually do something for those people?
15:27:41 I see. Okay.
15:27:43 And the other the other thing I would say, you know, we've at least at the sheriff's office, we've been collecting data on.
15:27:50 For the last couple of years on, and it all ties in with the behavioral health consortium.
15:27:56 Because they've been keeping track of it for the whole county including the city. Of number of mental health calls, substance abuse calls.
15:28:07 Including alcohol and, you know, domestic violence related, whatever. And again, they're not, the numbers are perfect and we're still working on holding those in but my when
we were talking about this at our meetings that we had you know It's I think it's important to start You know, I took
15:28:27 it as the strategic plan could help narrow these things down as it went along. And, there would be a I don't know, ideas on a way but we should start measuring this or maybe
we should do it that way.
15:28:38 You know and you know I think it would show trends if nothing else But, you know, I thought it was doable.
15:28:44 Yeah, and you might. And you might have. A single person. Who had 6 encounters with the navigator and you therefore know that that person is in more dire need of assistance
than someone who had one encounter with a navigator.
15:29:04 Well, that could, yeah, or the whatever the navigator was doing wasn't. Working.
15:29:11 But you know, I guess. You know looking at there's so many so many I mean this is just one little part of this whole strategic plan.
15:29:21 That I mean it's really a big task to try to actually scientifically get exact data on each thing.
15:29:33 I don't know if that makes sense, but, I think that My thought is we need to start with something.
15:29:40 Yeah. Yeah.
15:29:43 Absolutely.
15:29:38 And fix it and go along to make it I want it to be.
15:29:43 And now we now that we've defined what we wanna track, it'll help us build our tracking systems too.
15:29:50 Yes.
15:29:48 That's right. You know, this is not, this is a, it is a perfect, right?
15:29:56 You have, it's gonna be a brand new strategic plan and you're gonna learn as you go and and you're gonna learn as you go and that's completely appropriate.
15:30:07 And then after you get chat record with measuring a few things over time. You know, you're gonna, you're, performance measures.
15:30:13 Dashboard or system is going to get better too, right? It will become more precise. It will become more robust, but you have to start somewhere.
15:30:26 Or we may find out. I don't know if we're gonna be able to measure that.
15:30:30 You know.
15:30:29 Right, exactly. Or we thought
15:30:30 Bingo. Well, I mean, I think I really like the right time right place health care access measuring how many people are you know utilizing emergence 9 1 one and how many people
are utilizing it multiple times a year.
15:30:47 And that is almost as good of a data set, I think, as you can get. To show a trend of right time right place sort of.
15:30:52 Stuff, lot of this, number of counties supported wrap-around home healthcare visits. Measures our county capacity as much as it measures the issue.
15:31:00 I mean, there's and we're not talking about all the Medicaid, home health care with OH threea or holy cap or I mean it just.
15:31:07 All of these seems so. Imperfect that when I look at this list here it adds up to bad data to me is why I'm kind of pointing this out but I'm happy to let it go with the understanding
that it's going to get processed through staff to analyze it.
15:31:25 And I can move on again. I don't wanna. It just, I would almost rather just have that third bullet point of performance measures and then get the analysis from.
15:31:36 Staff and if we need to add more points. It's easier. I think, I don't know.
15:31:43 I just don't know what these add up to because I mean it's it's so incomplete.
15:31:48 I understand where you're coming from. But I agree with what the other folks here have said in terms of happiness starting place.
15:31:59 To obtain data. And like I said, give your your directors came up with these performance measures. These are the things they thought they could wrap their heads around that
would be helpful to them.
15:32:11 To determine whether or not they are meeting the strategic priorities and goals. And my suggestion would be, depending on the, direction that the county board must take.
15:32:25 Is to give them a chance to massage some of this data. Make report to you and at that point in time.
15:32:32 To determine whether or not. The data has the kind of values. That will be necessary to go forward with the plan.
15:32:43 Give us a chance. If we're really trying to compare the number of encounters per year, the number of people serve to the the number of calls.
15:33:02 Why don't we just say that, you know, number of program calls per year. And I mean, I still like.
15:33:12 I spent a lot of time in this sector and I mean the navigators gonna deal with one person 10 times and that is actually that person being served.
15:33:19 That's not a failure. That's a success because otherwise they'd be calling 900, and one again or have 9 1 one called on them.
15:33:25 So I just. I don't even know what that though that ratio. But if that person with 10 encounters has an underlying problem that's not being addressed, I view that as a failure.
15:33:37 And we need to identify those and you know, if we tried X, let's try why until that person gets the help they need.
15:33:49 We should clean it up for Heidi's comments now.
15:33:52 Okay, so where would you like me to make that change? Is it here, Heidi?
15:33:56 Number just changing counters to calls Alright.
15:34:00 Oh, absolutely.
15:34:03 I was confused about where you were making which of those 2 measures you were looking to change.
15:34:06 Second to last, second to last, second to last bullet, number of sheriffs office mental health and navigator program calls.
15:34:15 Versus number of people's number of people serve per year. So you're combining the last 2 into one.
15:34:26 Cause that's what Joe articulated that they're trying to get at. With those 2 metrics.
15:34:33 Okay. And then Greg, I would just suggest. It's there are. Specific.
15:34:43 Like suggestions you have for any of these measures that you think would make them. Better, we would definitely like to know that with if you want to think about them and report
that you know give us some guidance.
15:34:57 Outside of the board work session. For consideration when it comes to you for adoption that is perfectly acceptable.
15:35:05 Like would it be helpful to you, Greg, if this said? A number of calls versus number of people served.
15:35:14 Including repeats.
15:35:18 Not the right word is, but you know tracking and repeat. Frequent flyers. I don't know how that answer is objective 5.
15:35:32 I just said that this would be useful if we knew if people were making a bunch of calls. And that was just the said that this would be useful if we knew if people were making
a bunch of calls.
15:35:37 And that was just the said that this would be useful if we knew if people were making a bunch of calls. You just said that.
15:35:44 9 one So once you get I don't I don't know. I don't know the answer.
15:35:49 Well, I think the question for me the question is what's being what are we trying to measure here?
15:35:56 So is this, is this a capacity issue? Are we getting so many more calls than we have the capacity to be able to serve or are we trying to understand is it the same?
15:36:03 You know, 10 people who are in crisis and they are we are unable to serve them effectively or are we trying to assess if the number of people experiencing crisis and reaching
out to the navigator is increasing or decreasing.
15:36:16 We're trying to we're trying to find out where the gaps are and this is the data staff wanna look at to see if they can identify that.
15:36:26 They want to understand the gaps. Figure out how to close that based on data figure out how to close the gaps to achieve that continuum of care that is stated in the objective.
15:36:38 When is got a point, but I want to say one thing first. And that is what would be helpful for me is to know how many folks.
15:36:50 And that is what would be helpful for me is to know how many folks were engaged by the sheriff's navigator and how many of those people went on to additional services.
15:36:53 That's what would be helpful to me. Yes, Wendy. Just a comment and that is I think the data will give us what we need to be doing.
15:37:01 It's not so much that we know or need to be doing maybe. And once we start tracking this particular data, we either shift.
15:37:10 Other directions that we need to go to collect data or we perhaps shift into more meaningful directions to serve. It's a starting point.
15:37:21 Exactly.
15:37:24 Yeah, I could see Apple saying, you know, this is how many home health care visits we did and clearly we don't have enough capacity or Clearly there are fewer people needing
services because they're not asking for it or you know it's what.
15:37:37 The analysis. I think it's great information for building a budget. You know, we get 900 calls for, you know, here, whatever, and we were only able to serve 600, We only serve
300.
15:37:51 Let's take this money and put somewhere else.
15:37:55 Michelle, you wanna go on to your priorities?
15:38:04 All right, so. Obviously this one is focused on the economy. Trying to create more opportunity for prosperity for people and businesses.
15:38:14 And there's a list of objectives here that staff developed for staff and other elected officials developed to try to achieve that strategic goal.
15:38:31 I got seconds. Can't we just say closed broadband connectivity gaps? Instead of supporting the closure of, I mean, we don't do it.
15:38:42 You know, PD ensure that and I mean supporting just feels squishy to me.
15:38:51 I think that qualifying language.
15:38:52 Next question, if squishy works for everyone, it's fine with me.
15:38:56 Yeah, how do you think the qualifying language was because the county doesn't have full control of it?
15:39:02 Yeah, no, I support that.
15:39:06 Without supporting expansion of broadband connectivity. Do you know why there's the objective 3? They seem kind of duplicative the 2 performance measures.
15:39:18 Why not just The second one. We have no way to measure the first one.
15:39:26 Well, we should get that from. Well, only the ones that sign up for PV can we get.
15:39:33 I mean, if they sign up for Century LinkedIn we get. I mean if they sign up for Century Link or it's down we don't get that so we don' You don't have that data set.
15:39:39 You know, broadband office does, but it's imperfect too. Does that mean the number of people who selected an ISP or that actually had broadband to their residence?
15:39:47 Yes, so where does the census get the data? Because there's the US Census reports this out every decade.
15:39:54 Then that first bullet.
15:39:56 What? How is it a census question? I think it's part of the
15:40:04 Yeah, yeah, because it's reported at annually in the American community survey and it's reported annually in the American Community Survey and it's reported every decade as
part of the US census.
15:40:15 What does that add over the second bullet? I guess is my question.
15:40:19 Functionally to understand how well we're doing.
15:40:23 Here comes Chris. Captures the non European customers. I agree they're a bit duplicative.
15:40:33 Commissioners, I agree they're a bit duplicative. When we ask Jeff Pd what they could track, they suggested these 2 If it feels like wasted energy, I'm sure they'd be happy
to only contribute to one.
15:40:38 Well, they said they could track it to them. I guess that's. Fine, I don't have a problem with it.
15:40:43 It seems.
15:40:45 Yeah.
15:40:49 The second one sort of I think The second one is about closing the gap, right? You see a percentage getting smaller over time.
15:40:58 The first one is about annual progress towards that goal. Some years are gonna be stronger than others, but.
15:41:06 Being able to site specifically, you know, 500 folks in South County were connected this year. Yeah, both are useful to be able to speak to.
15:41:18 I'm convinced.
15:41:20 Right. Any other? Objectives or performance measures that need clarification, refinement. Under this goal.
15:41:38 I mean is the annual assessment to consider changes to lamar logical outer boundaries is that a reasonable amount of work.
15:41:54 Yeah, Bryant. I mean, identifying the number of vacant acres. I mean, that's yeah, something you can do.
15:42:00 Those are both time bound to the end of 24. But an annual assessment to consider. Changes to logical outer boundaries.
15:42:09 That seems like a Big ask.
15:42:13 Microphone. Yeah, come on.
15:42:22 And Chris is glad to relinquish it.
15:42:27 I think it would be wise, to remove annual assessment. Periodic assessment. Yes.
15:42:35 Okay.
15:42:40 Yeah.
15:42:35 I think that was every 10 years. Oh, as you as capacity allows. I think.
15:42:43 Yes.
15:42:47 All right, are we ready to move to? Environmental stewardship
15:42:53 Yeah, that was a reckon. Well, I'm not quite that with the lamar.
15:42:56 Well, there's one more. Sorry, there's one more objective here that was, hold over on the next page.
15:43:06 I think objective 6 is
15:43:10 That's good. Seems those are numbers we're collecting.
15:43:14 Okay. All right, Renee.
15:43:16 But do what I'm sorry the lambert I just and I don't have a specific challenge to it.
15:43:24 I guess I'm just wondering
15:43:26 How identifying the number of acres.
15:43:31 Optimizes planning.
15:43:36 Yeah, I don't know.
15:43:41 That staff wanna weigh in on that question. From the from the commissioner.
15:43:47 Yeah, Chris is coming. So when I spoke with Josh Peters about this one and it was a reflection of the board wanting to include some capacity.
15:44:00 I asked Josh, community development director what was possible to track. That was realistic to track and he referred to the comp plan.
15:44:11 And what was included in that already. And The reason for the differentiation, I believe. Was a large portion of lamards are already developed and there's a there's there's
not actually that much vacant land.
15:44:27 Left within the lamar as designated. So it. It's I think if I had to speak for him, which I really don't want to do, my guess is It's less important that We have 2 metrics and
more are calling out of the fact that like, let's be realistic about what's
15:44:45 possible within Lammerge as currently defined. Does that make sense? Which I think it is. But I'm not, II don't know.
15:44:59 I think we can combine these 2. Sure. Into one, but I took it as that interpretation.
15:45:09 How can we think differently about what our language can be used for given new statute. Okay, when you say combine 2 into one.
15:45:18 Well, there's potential development and potential redevelopment. Which, you know. Do we need to identify both of those or could we just?
15:45:28 I get I understand why Josh needs that granular level. I don't know that. We do as a county, but that makes sense.
15:45:37 I mean, you're calling out both the vacant and not vacant land. In one and recognizing that both exist and that they are separate.
15:45:43 Alright, so does anybody, for combining them, do we have different language for how we wanna describe it?
15:45:50 I think you just say development or redevelopment. Yeah, development or redevelopment in that first one and the first bullet.
15:45:58 Oh, okay.
15:45:58 Just say development or. Read development.
15:46:03 Yep, got it. Okay. Thank you for that clarification.
15:46:09 All right. I think the next one Rene is gonna walk you through.
15:46:16 Are we ready for, Questions, comments, docs? Excuse me, questions, comments, thoughts.
15:46:28 I will say that the, planning group worked very hard on this reaching out to a number of our partners and to get input on all of these measures.
15:46:45 Any objectives?
15:46:54 Glad to see you. Sessor Chapman's hand in there. Oh yeah, space.
15:47:02 Is that so, I mean, does that mean making the open space an actual viable program that's worthwhile to get into?
15:47:04 Is that what you're saying? Are you in check for objective 4? Yes. To the microphone, please, John.
15:47:11 Oh.
15:47:13 Well, the current use program hasn't really been changed in many, many years in decades and it really needs it.
15:47:20 I mean the public benefit rating system needs to be updated. We're not able not just wetlands but shorelines, historic farms.
15:47:30 We don't have a program to build put historic farms in. So we have to mess around with what income, what is an income where really they belong in the open space program.
15:47:40 So the public benefit rating system we already have it. It just needs to be updated and made more viable and more useful as a tool.
15:47:49 For us to use. Nice. I fully agree.
15:47:55 Is climate resilience a thing? Is that what they call? Well, there was some conversation in the group about whether or not it should be climate resilience or.
15:48:06 Climate change. Climate change. What are we? What are we doing?
15:48:19 It means coping with it. I thought I talked for you Heidi. I thought on this one for climate change.
15:48:22 Well, I just I think I suggested the concept of climate change in there, but I like the word resilience.
15:48:28 I mean. Is it better to say build resilience to climate change? Well protecting? I don't know.
15:48:37 The climate change resilience.
15:48:40 Yeah, I don't know. I think it's fine how it is. I think he gets to the same point.
15:48:50 Yeah.
15:48:52 So there's some language in here. That I noted, build climate resilience while protecting and preserving our natural areas and resources.
15:49:01 Do we form a common comma there and then say and improve.
15:49:14 Oh.
15:49:16 And improve access to shared natural spaces to enhance experience with county residents. So we're okay with that then?
15:49:22 Okay, thank you. Any other issues under environmental stewardship?
15:49:30 Well, I guess this is. I don't know if we want an opportunity to swing big, but this seems like one of our opportunities to swing big.
15:49:38 I don't even know. Yeah, taking on something like.
15:49:43 I don't know what. In a year. And it's a focus. It's not a absolute.
15:49:59 Yeah, the big swing that thank you for that clarification. The big swing is the count plan because it's a 30 year.
15:50:09 Horizon.
15:50:06 20 to 30 year kind of. Trajectory, right?
15:50:13 And you, the, as you update your count plan, it may very well be. That you wanted.
15:50:21 Take a look at your strategic plan to say, okay, based on that, what kind of adjustments do we need to make?
15:50:28 That's why we need to consider this plan as a living document. Do you want it to you want it to be broad enough that it can guide you over a 5 year period, but when it comes
down to the objectives and the performance measures, you're looking at a shorter time frame.
15:50:47 So we pretty good with the session. Yeah. Okay.
15:50:50 There's a lot of objectives here. There were 9 objective. This was really robust, priority with lot of thought.
15:50:59 Yeah. So Michelle, I want you to take housing and accessibility then.
15:51:03 Okay, are we ready to leave that one? I just wanna make sure.
15:51:06 Okay.
15:51:10 Yep.
15:51:09 Okay. So this is A hard one to tackle, right? The county only has so many levers it can pull.
15:51:19 Related to housing and this is not a challenge just for Jefferson County. It's a challenge for every county and city government that's trying to deal with this issue of housing
and attainability, housing affordability, whatever you want to call it, housing accessibility.
15:51:36 So the objectives you see here are the things that There's an attempt to. I what the county can do.
15:51:50 I'm just gonna clean this up a little bit.
15:51:54 What's a performance tracking system? Maybe that's a question for Brand. Objective one, the performance measure.
15:52:03 Oh, I'm sorry. At the microphone.
15:52:12 So the state is now requiring that our update to the comprehensive plan. Have a really robust metrics incorporated.
15:52:26 I think we could segue to start incorporating those as our performance tracking system. So we're not creating additional work.
15:52:35 We're just doing what we have to do to comply with the. The state's new regulations for the housing element.
15:52:44 And do we need to say specifically what performance? Oh, okay. And so typically the, you know, creation of a performance tracking system because typically what it's tracking
is is how we are addressing the gap.
15:53:03 Having the housing gap and the housing gap for different economic income segments including the extremely low income which are 30% and less of area median income.
15:53:16 And the very, low income which is 50% and less and so typically they're looking at how are we accommodating those specific bands of our population.
15:53:29 How does that measure the planning and permitting review? I mean, there's so many other variables.
15:53:35 Well, you have you actually have to check those now. That's what you're attracting.
15:53:52 Essentially it all throughout the state a new requirement that we all have to follow. So it's that system will exist to track permitting timelines.
15:54:08 That system will exist to track permitting timelines. Permits available online is that something that we can put a A projected date on.
15:54:23 I mean, you'd not even intergove. I mean, you'd not even intergove.
15:54:26 I mean, you'd not even intergov ability to pull permits online, but the ability to, you know, go back to where we were and track your permits online.
15:54:29 Yeah, we used to have that service. That's correct. Right. And that's in the queue when we bring on the consultant.
15:54:31 Okay. It's one. Go ahead.
15:54:33 So is that a? Is that a performance measure? Greg that you would like to add to this is.
15:54:41 You know, saying the ability to do that would be available by some point in time.
15:54:49 I mean, I get that these are the performance goals that DCD put. So I'm kind of hesitant to put it on the strategic plan but yes it's one of my personal goals.
15:55:01 Well there's a five-year time horizon. So within that 5 year period, we would be able to see your permit status online.
15:55:10 You should be able to see your permit status online. You should be able to submit permits online. Even plans.
15:55:14 I would love to see those as goals. Right. Yeah, permitting system.
15:55:22 Yes. Yes.
15:55:25 And that's what we call our CSS, customer service portal that we've we've laid implementation of that's been a long term goal.
15:55:33 Brenton Mark went do you want to have a kind of date a milestone date in here when this would be done.
15:55:43 Do you want it to be the life of the plan or sometime sooner than that?
15:55:46 No, I think if we don't have it by 2025, I think the board would have cause to fit. Yeah.
15:56:00 What about 18 months after the, the designated employee is hired?
15:56:00 Yes, we're, we don't know. Can you say the end of, can we just say the end of 2024?
15:56:08 Yeah, that's, yeah, that's, yeah, that's about, 18 months from now.
15:56:12 Okay, yeah, so migrated fully online migrate to.
15:56:17 Hopefully online for meeting system by end of 2024. Great.
15:56:28 Huh.
15:56:23 I have a concern about objective 3 here just because this is something we hear a lot about. There are people who are wanting to develop additional housing on their residential
lots that are not able to because of growth management because of zoning and Really, I mean.
15:56:45 It's a little squishy, cause some would say it's our interpretation of GMA and some would say it's because of GMA.
15:56:50 So I just think if we're we can't hold ourselves to this as is. I think we wanna qualify it.
15:56:59 So identified remove barriers that prevent residential property owners from developing additional housing to the greatest extent possible under zoning or I think you hit it
you hit it or you could say identify and remove non-GMA barriers. I think you hit it. Or you could say identify and remove non-GMA barriers.
15:57:20 Because that goes right to the heart of what
15:57:20 To the extent legally possible or something like that. More consistent with the jamming. Yeah, and but some people would say that you know how we adopted GMA is the problem.
15:57:33 So I'm just trying to you know in in non rural zone in non-real zoning types or like.
15:57:40 You know. Where a lawsuit isn't gonna be threatened. Really? Yes, but I see this as sort of embracing some of the objectives you know, where a lawsuit isn't gonna be threatened.
15:57:54 Yeah, but I see this as sort of embracing some of the objectives you the board is already embracing some of the objectives you the board is already embracing some of the objectives
you the board is already embracing some of the objectives you the board has already embraced the stock plans that's one of
15:58:01 the as sort of embracing some of the objectives you the at the board is already embraced.
15:58:03 The stock plans, that's one of the approaches that we're already taking to increase the C that's also going to increase.
15:58:05 So their fiscal in nature. Oh, I guess it's, how do you classify multi family?
15:58:13 I guess you would say that if you consider multi-family I guess you would say that if you consider multi-family residential or do you consider it commercial?
15:58:18 It depends. You know, maybe it falls under the clothed. It depends. You know, maybe it falls under the, it's clothed in a, yeah, maybe it falls under the, it's clothed in the.
15:58:25 We hear residential property owners from developing additional housing that speaks to a single family residence to me. I don't know.
15:58:29 You guys have been. Yeah, they want it. Yeah, see, pastor could applied number 4, objective 4.
15:58:47 So.
15:58:42 And the stock plans would definitely apply to objective 3. And there's a whole host of other things that apply to objective 3 like that the board could consider.
15:58:55 We haven't adopted a historic preservation ordinance that does allow exemptions from the FEMA regulations would have impacted and potentially created an easier pathway for a
Nordland store, for example.
15:59:07 So that's again commercial though. That's great. We just want to do that identify and remove non GMA barriers or.
15:59:15 Hello.
15:59:18 Yeah, we.
15:59:15 With something at that. I don't know, I mean, additional housing units doesn't measure that though.
15:59:22 It just measures how many more houses are built. They're still gonna be more houses built. Look at the objective though, not the I'm actually okay with the performance measures,
but what is the what are we trying to do?
15:59:33 In the objective I think we need to. Lots that already have a single family dwelling. Is that what we're talking about?
15:59:43 Well, no, I mean, you know, promote that but and it could be a barrier there.
15:59:53 And it could be planned rural residential developments. That's an example of one. The Chevy Chase Golf Course, we have a density increase there.
16:00:00 Right. So. To the maximum extent allowable under zoning or something.
16:00:12 So.
16:00:08 Let's try that out. And I don't I don't want to say current zoning because you know I think we would are open to upzoning.
16:00:20 There's very, we don't have a lot of places where we are allowed to do that.
16:00:20 So maybe it really does come down to GMA. I don't know Jeff maybe have a has a.
16:00:29 Maybe beyond what the county can do right now, but not necessarily in the future. I mean. There is an exemption for new construction for single family.
16:00:37 If you apply and it's in addition to your home. And the legislature has been kicking around extending that to a and whether they're a part of the discussion or whether they're
a cash or indeed that.
16:00:51 But the idea is that it would apply to so you can get a 3 year exemption. And then the question too is how come in here This very question is baby.
16:00:59 That's more number 4. I think the fiscal measures more than the.
16:01:05 So what would you like to do with objective 3?
16:01:08 Oh, and there's another area that you hit upon it. Just stress me. Yeah. And that is just that like the Chevy Chase golf course that intensification of views.
16:01:22 It followed the GMA provisions. But our problem is that we're just having a lot of lot of people choosing to do that.
16:01:30 So there must be some barriers or some reason why people aren't doing that. And so we need to identify what those barriers are to create more plan. Because I don't think new
housing measures that that's what identifying because I think we want to identify GMA barriers too.
16:01:48 I mean I would rather that that's what identifying, because I think we want to identify GMA barriers too.
16:01:50 I mean I would rather this said something like And don't start typing yet, Michelle. Identify, identify barriers.
16:01:54 That prevent residential property owners from and just identification of it. And how can we How could we identify the barrier?
16:02:03 Sometimes in GMA, sometimes it's us. I mean, but is there anything that you guys are doing a DCD now that might?
16:02:08 Measure this. The barriers. When we look at the one of the barriers has been, you know, the number of conditional use permits we have seen in the shoreline.
16:02:22 And so we are creating a pathway to reduce the numbers of CUPs. We had more CUPs than any other jurisdiction.
16:02:30 So that's one example. And we are doing that through the Shoreline Master program update. And so with regards to other examples and I'm thinking that of could we increase the
density allowance?
16:02:45 That's often the most important one for developers. They don't pencil. Typically that's why a project isn't moving forward.
16:02:53 But how can we do that? Outside of the urban growth area or lamar. I mean, in rural zoning you can't.
16:03:05 I'm saying that within the framework that's allowed. Use the upper limit on that. We can and look at your ideas.
16:03:16 Right. I'm not sure. I'd want to look at that. I don't want to say that we have right now, but if it is not penciling.
16:03:23 We're not going to get it. That's the biggest concern.
16:03:28 So, Kate, I would suggest that we keep, did we have as in there, I think to the extent to the extent possible, legally possible.
16:03:41 Do we have that in there? Okay. Wow.
16:03:42 Yeah, it says I, it says identify barriers. So we took out the qualifiers, identify barriers that prevent residential property owners from developing additional housing to the
extent legally possible and then we need to identify what the measures are.
16:03:58 So Greg was saying that counting the housing units isn't really measuring it. Brent offered some other possible things to look at.
16:04:08 So what do we want for the performance measures?
16:04:10 Well, first of all, if I could. What good is identifying barriers do without removing if we're not doing something about it.
16:04:23 Okay, thank you.
16:04:22 Yes. Yep. So where are we landing for performance measures?
16:04:31 Hey, if I may, Commissioner Brotherton was saying that,
16:04:38 We didn't that you need to know what those barriers are right so maybe a performance measure could be to create a comprehensive report on existing barriers to how by X-state.
16:04:51 Brent would love to do that. I'm sure. So when we say an objective 3 that we're talking about owners from developing additional housing that we're talking about owners from
developing additional housing to the extent.
16:05:05 So when we say an objective 3 that we're talking about owners from developing additional housing to the extent is are we talking about Then we should say ADUs. That's not a
ADU. That's correct.
16:05:17 That's not what a residential property owner is gonna do. Residential development, right? I mean, that's the PRD.
16:05:26 Developing housing. It's not. I mean, it sure seems the number 3 that we're talking about, you know, putting an ADU on your property.
16:05:33 That's how I read it. Is that the intent? Number 3 doesn't restrict the date.
16:05:42 I mean, you're talking about 1 million dollar homes here too and there are a lot of those going in.
16:05:43 You know, I can make it make it easier. Right, so that's what I was asking is this about 80 use or is this about something more broad than that.
16:05:55 Yeah, use the units. That's something we can track. So, okay, so if the objective is to identify and remove them, then performance measure is Well, yeah, that would be good.
16:06:18 Just point, you know, if we get, you know, a hundred 3 million dollar houses building are really are we really solving the housing problem or we just replacing houses with nicer
houses building.
16:06:26 Are we really solving the housing problem or are we just replacing houses with nicer houses for the rich. They increase in assessed value would be nice. And yeah, back on billing
would be nice.
16:06:37 But it's not, but the performance get to. And you could identify if you know some of the barriers like for example the creation of additional housing units through one stock
plans, for example, the creation of additional housing units through one stock plans through 2.
16:06:49 Through the removal of barriers. Right. And in the in the new UGA, can we allow 2 A to use?
16:06:53 Great or through, right, that's in another example, right?
16:07:00 I like it. People can build additional housing units now. In certain circumstances. Now there are barriers to others.
16:07:13 So what we're interested in here is not the ones that are already allowed already, but the ones that are built because we removed the barrier that we identified.
16:07:21 And typically the biggest barrier for a homeowner to build a second unit is financing. But that's not something we consult. Oh, some governments do.
16:07:35 They set aside a fund where we could, you know, give him a property tax holiday or. In the city just did the you know city has new code for 80 years that make it much cheaper
to build them so I'm I think Brent.
16:07:46 Could we add number and type of additional housing units? Do you guys track if it's an ADU versus a single family.
16:07:55 Yes. Primary residence. Yes. So I think adding number and type of additional housing use in so that we're actually getting more richer information out of this activity.
16:08:05 Okay, Stock on something, but. Due to the removal of a barrier. Well, I mean, there's other ones.
16:08:18 No measurements perfect, right? Let's go back to community resilience perfect right. Let's go back to community resilience.
16:08:22 Perfect, right? Let's go back to community resilience. I mean, I think that has to be the goal.
16:08:29 Then we need to remove the barrier language for number one. We're gonna have to say how many housing units we want for each type of each income bracket.
16:08:41 We're gonna have to say how many housing units we want for each type of each income bracket and like.
16:08:41 I don't think we're getting too granular. Like we want to see the number of units increasing.
16:08:47 It would be nice to know what type they are. Okay, and I'll be done after saying this.
16:08:52 If you don't include barriers in the performance measure, you are eliminating the cause and effect relationship between the 2.
16:08:57 That's a lot. That's it. I'm done. I just don't think we can know that.
16:09:02 I don't know that we can know. That we can measure. We remove this barrier, this person will decide to build an ADU.
16:09:12 That seems. Well, if somebody can build an 80 you now that couldn't have 6 months ago.
16:09:18 Then I would say that that's a housing unit that was created because we've removed a barrier.
16:09:25 So.
16:09:24 But I'm not stuck on this. Right. And I could I could think of some barriers that are or we could track for example in the proposed urban growth area.
16:09:34 If you offer an incentive, I know one of the incentives underway being thought about. Is the free hookup.
16:09:43 You know, so there might be a lot of people that say, oh my god, it's gonna cost $8,000 if I wait.
16:09:49 A free hookup might be a huge incentive.
16:09:49 So. So Mark the, the number and type of additional housing units created. That's the ultimate outcome measure.
16:10:00 The barrier measure, I'm not saying it's unimportant, but that would be sort of an interim measure.
16:10:10 Oh, okay.
16:10:06 Or a feeder to the ultimate goal. Which is to increase housing units. Yeah, I have a question about the other 2.
16:10:18 Brent, do you, I just type those in so I captured what you were saying and didn't lose it.
16:10:24 Do we want those? Do we wanna track conditional use permits? Do we wanna? It is an outcome that we want to increase the density allowance.
16:10:32 Look. Well, that's one of the things we're trying to reduce is the number of CUPs.
16:10:39 So if we're successful in the adoption of the Shoreline Master program, that's one metric of success.
16:10:46 And what about?
16:10:43 Okay. Okay. Okay, so we would it be to reduce?
16:10:51 Reduce reduced.
16:10:54 There's the
16:10:50 Or increase. We do, yeah. Yep.
16:10:58 And I think number and type of additional housing units is. Important I mean really what I'm thinking about is value but I mean if Again, a new housing unit would be me knocking
down a workforce house and building a new unit and that's a new unit, but in fact our affordable housing supply has actually gone down.
16:11:17 So if you know, you know, there were 10 houses at a million dollars that were built. There were 10 houses at a million dollars that were built.
16:11:24 There were 10 houses at a million dollars that were built. There were 10 houses of $500,000 built.
16:11:26 It gives you a lot more data that you can dig into. Type left in there. Thank you. You're welcome.
16:11:31 Yes. And I would just argue there's one question there because you know I'd have to look do we like we do have conditional uses for other types of activities.
16:11:38 So I know we just limited it to shoreline. And I'm just trying to think, is that best?
16:11:44 I mean, that's for certain because we do have a legislation moving forward that targets shoreline. And so I'm thinking like.
16:11:51 Pamona woods that was a CUP but that was clothed in a commercial interest so I would exclude that one but I'm trying to think are there others.
16:12:01 I think another performance measure could be. Applications for
16:12:11 Applications for PRBs.
16:12:20 Right.
16:12:13 ER RD. That might be better than increase the density allowance, which is a thing that we do not an actual measurement, right?
16:12:33 Yeah, yeah, you probably ought to type that out for the benefit of the public. Right. Yeah, she was just trying to keep. So plan rural residential development. Yeah.
16:12:33 Yeah.
16:12:36 Oh yeah, you probably ought to type that out for the
16:12:58 Hi, got it.
16:13:00 I would I think you should include the stock plans because I think that's going to be something measurable.
16:13:06 And also in the near term.
16:13:09 What was that Brent? I'm not sure I understood that performance measure.
16:13:13 So, so reduce conditional use permits on the shoreline. Then after that one.
16:13:22 We're gonna get rid of them.
16:13:23 Yeah.
16:13:27 And then after that I would say. Expertite.
16:13:41 No.
16:13:34 Housing development through. User stock plans. Really is what we want to measure is the use of the stock plans is what we measure.
16:13:45 So. Stop.
16:13:51 Yeah.
16:13:45 How many stock plans are used? Stock plans. Housing using stock plans. Pre approved.
16:13:56 And there's lots of stock. Or the
16:14:01 Okay.
16:14:06 Well, you'll know if you're making progress. Right?
16:14:08 Yeah, Housing development line doesn't have a verb in it.
16:14:15 Increase the plan.
16:14:24 I don't know where you are Mark.
16:14:17 No, expedite housing development through the use of Cause use there. Next slide. A performance measure for objective 3, third line.
16:14:30 Expedite housing development through the use of
16:14:34 Got it.
16:14:36 That sounds like an objective.
16:14:39 It does.
16:14:39 Yeah. Yeah, that's why, yeah, I think Kate said number of units.
16:14:44 Yeah, no, I think that's an that's an objective.
16:14:47 No, number of units.
16:14:51 You're right. I think you're right. I think you was a number of units. Bill.
16:14:55 Bye. Stop using. Stocking planets. Reapproved.
16:15:08 I think I have accidentally took that out and I didn't intend to. So.
16:15:12 We just wanted to modify the language. Housing units. Still using Reapproved.
16:15:24 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm getting there.
16:15:26 Alright.
16:15:34 Using They go. And those are, 15Â min. All right, we should probably move on to organizational health unless there's other big things.
16:15:47 All right, or inside. We've got on the organizational health section. Maybe not wanna look at the.
16:15:58 The conversation that should be had.
16:16:07 So organizational health, we're okay with this section generally speaking. And we're gonna go on to thriving people.
16:16:13 Yeah.
16:16:13 Oh, no, we, Oh.
16:16:17 And I was just gonna say sometimes the set of performance measures is together are going to paint a picture. Taken individually and alone, particularly for this one, it won't
tell you the whole story.
16:16:34 So it's the narrative that goes along with reading this data together through analysis that will tell you a story about what's happening.
16:16:59 All sound like great performance metrics.
16:17:13 Oh, sorry.
16:17:09 The performance measure for objective 6, secure resources for staffing. Okay, we did that this morning.
16:17:18 We did that this morning that you approved in HR. Oh, right, right. Gotcha.
16:17:23 Yay! Did that one! You get to mark that one off right away.
16:17:24 Okay, so we're ahead of the game. Yeah, right. Alright, alright, check. So we should put in here secure additional resources.
16:17:34 Yeah, I don't know, Renee. Don't upset the apple card at this point.
16:17:41 Yeah.
16:17:36 Oh. Keep on securing. Okay, alright. So are we okay to go to thriving people?
16:17:45 I thought I thought. Okay, alright. Yep. I'm trying to make it.
16:17:50 We're gonna make it. I mean people, thriving people. What have you got on thriving people?
16:17:50 We got 15Â min. Okay.
16:17:59 This. Yeah, it's a huge program. I mean, how are we doing? Are we just?
16:18:11 Hiring somebody to coordinate this. Develop an outreach plan. I mean, it feels like it's all new.
16:18:18 Program to me. You know. Tracking, tracking the events and programming. I mean, what are we tracking?
16:18:30 It just feels really big and squishy to me. Instances of outreach from Jefferson County aimed at celebrating culture heritage and diversity reported annually.
16:18:40 Yeah, this one does not seem very actionable to me outside of our wheelhouse.
16:18:47 So say that again, Heidi. I'm not sure what your It just feels, you're like a big new program, objective one.
16:18:57 That requires some capacity and some focus and the performance measures.
16:19:05 Feel like maybe they're just things that could be measured but to what end.
16:19:13 Well, I apologize. I know you're gonna take this section, Michelle, but the conversation that I recall about this.
16:19:20 The emphasis on is on celebrate. To celebrate the culture heritage and diversity of the people of Jefferson County.
16:19:28 The performance measures being that there needed to be some way to actually track the number of events that were put together that would specifically relate to culture heritage
and so forth.
16:19:39 Are we talking about the people of the county are we talking about just our County family or are we talking about all the residents of the county?
16:19:48 Talking about all the residents in the county.
16:19:49 We just do a proclamation a week. Okay, yeah, I don't I don't think this one means that we're gonna track.
16:20:01 That's right.
16:19:57 With every organization in the county does. I think this is focused on the county and to the degree that there are events in the county that celebrate these things.
16:20:09 Do we participate in them? And
16:20:11 And if you're and if your partners have data great they may or they may not but if they do they that's valuable that you can they can give you that data and it helps they can
give you that data and it helps inform your
16:20:25 Who do they give that data to? Who's where's the capacity? For this. He is the
16:20:35 Oh, Ed. I don't think it would be hard for them to give the county the data if they have it.
16:20:42 We're not asking them to produce it.
16:20:45 Right, but we don't just want somebody emailing the county that cultural awareness at CO. Jefferson.
16:20:56 Dot dot.us and then just go into an email box.
16:20:56 So, now we're down into the how. So staff put this here because they felt that it was meaningful and that it was doable.
16:21:08 And so we don't know yet who will receive it, but we can figure that out.
16:21:14 Yeah, my thinking and you know, Carolyn might throw something at me here, but I think this is something that that we take on in the board's office.
16:21:22 And we, you know. Yeah, and I do have a, you know, an alter ego.
16:21:36 Oh
16:21:32 That has capacity right Chris always And then at 7, go home to 6. So where did this come from?
16:21:43 I'm curious the life. I feel this also feels really. Novel to me. I mean, heritage and culture and diversity permeates your thinking.
16:21:59 And so this sort of captures that enormous broad objective of yours to to capture it, know what it is and to try to improve on it.
16:22:08 And so I think that am I stating that correctly? Yeah, I think that's right. I don't think anyone that was in the crafting of these performance measures was fully satisfied
with them.
16:22:21 I would just say that I think everyone agreed that there's a shared value set of these performance measures was fully satisfied with them.
16:22:27 I would just say that I think everyone agreed that there's a shared value set of the celebration of culture.
16:22:27 Diversity and heritage and it's a really difficult. In many of the ways that the county conducts its business.
16:22:36 It's not directly impacting those things. And so our our task was to come up with the the sort of the narrow scope where the county is actually able to track its efforts in
those regards.
16:22:50 And the best thing that we could come up with was. The outreach that we do, the events that we're at.
16:22:57 So for instance, if we're at pride, we can count that and simply add that to a spreadsheet somewhere.
16:23:01 And at the end of the year, report on the fact that we were at that event. And then indigenous people stay where you invite tribal leaders in that we have a proclamation that
That's part of this.
16:23:15 Well, proclamations are something we can measure. And I mean, I feel like for that objective, not looking at the measures, I just feel like I would want to plan like for that
objective not looking at the measures I just feel like I would want to plan like What's our calendar?
16:23:25 What, what's our calendar of events for the year? Yeah. And if there are 2 events for the year.
16:23:28 And if there are 2 events in a week or 3 events in a week, which one is more important?
16:23:30 How do we make that decision? Okay, these are all implementation decisions that get made down below. No, no, no.
16:23:38 These are implementation decisions that get made down the line. I hope. So, there are implementation decisions that get made down the line. I hope.
16:23:49 Well, that also is it. And I Michelle went through that I think at the beginning with in response to Greg's questions.
16:23:56 Yep.
16:23:50 What are the next steps? And the implementation plan is what follows from today. If we walk out of here with a plan that you've approved.
16:23:59 Right. Or almost all the way there and we can bring it back to you for adoption and of, you know, with the changes you recommended, clarifications fully designed form.
16:24:11 The implementation plan we have an actual Excel spreadsheet template that's really effective that We populate with what you agree on.
16:24:23 And then we help the staff. Work through some of the details. Of, you know, how this is gonna be carried out.
16:24:30 So, the implementation plan isn't something that you guys need to formally adopt. To adopt your strategic plan, but it can definitely come back to you.
16:24:43 And it will be a, I assume a reporting tool, right, that. Staff can track the different.
16:24:49 Tactics and actions as well as the performance measures and make regular reports to you on a cycle that is yet to be determined.
16:24:57 We haven't talked about that yet.
16:25:03 Sure.
16:24:59 Can I make a suggestion for a performance measure there? How about, and this comes from talking to the Black Lives Matter folk about not wanting to come to our Juneteenth Proclamation
reading as it was performative and we weren't doing anything and I would suggest maybe with the proclamations we do, what
16:25:20 if we set a number like 4 proclamations that we create ancillary activities and we actually go and take those proclamations to the street and actually do something, whether
that's an event or something we can leave pretty vague, so how would you word that?
16:25:37 4, proclamations will be expanded into supplementary activities by the BOCC.
16:25:46 In 2024 4 that's what I said I don't yeah 2 3 I don't know we can just say measure the number.
16:26:01 Is that is that in addition to these or? I don't know. To, demanding.
16:26:22 And I'm realizing it. No, we've always gone, we've gone beyond.
16:26:30 So are we deleting this one?
16:26:33 Number one goes away.
16:26:35 Okay.
16:26:37 Yes, could you yeah, can you see if they can save for just a few? So now we have 3.
16:26:45 Keep the 3 or do we reduce it to that?
16:26:50 The one that you just read. Oh, hey, I mean, it's good to hear those things, so.
16:26:57 That's not a problem. I just make a quick pitch for the number of partnerships with organizations.
16:27:02 I think that I think that's almost a quantifiable measure of all the work that the commissioners do out in the community.
16:27:10 Your interfacing with lots of groups. Each of those has one of those value sets as part of its core mission and it's a way for you to track how hard you all are working and
how hard we're all working and interfacing with each of the individual groups.
16:27:24 It's not going to be a perfect measure, but I think there's value in demonstrating how hard the people, the employees of Jefferson County work to interface with each and every
organization throughout our community.
16:27:36 Yep.
16:27:39 Our
16:27:39 Okay, I think projections 2 3 and 4. Nice, they're non-controversial and they have to do with Parks and Rack and Yeah, I have implementation ideas, but I'm fine with these performance
measures and the objectives too for.
16:27:58 You.
16:27:57 And you and you all are perfectly. It's perfectly appropriate for you to discuss the staff implementation ideas that you have.
16:28:08 Will what we wanna do is get this buttoned up right with your input tonight and ready to move it into graphic design stage so the final product can come back to you.
16:28:21 As soon as we can do it, and some of that will rely, on the availability of our graphic artist.
16:28:29 But she's usually pretty fast. So.
16:28:33 I'm a little sorry under number 2 I'm a little concerned about the creation of a youth commission and I would certainly support staff and
16:28:41 So explore.
16:28:49 Okay.
16:28:43 Yeah, but I think I think we staff could explore it without calling it out as a county wide priority just because it has this is a little problematic a lot of interest groups
asking for commissions that in the day.
16:28:54 Okay, do you wanna delete that one?
16:28:57 Yeah, but what do you guys think? I mean it just. I mean, I mean, I was skeptical.
16:29:04 I was mollified by the fact that it's been. I think getting number of youth private presenters on existing boards is something.
16:29:13 I mean, that's a lot lofty enough of a goal.
16:29:14 Okay, and I'm not a huge fan of Explorer because it's too smushy from my perspective, so I don't have any heartburn about removing that one.
16:29:25 Right.
16:29:22 And I'm fine with Staph Exploring it. I just it opens us. Why don't we have a commission?
16:29:28 Yep, yep. I get that. I can see your perspective on that. All right, are we?
16:29:36 Done with the review and refinement of this plan.
16:29:41 Really good work. I mean, I hope we're didn't come off as just critical, but wanting to help refine but really no strong product.
16:29:51 Oh yeah, come up to the microphone you can. Statement where Kate that she didn't like, didn't think it was inclusive enough to have generations and change it to residents.
16:30:06 You know, about half our taxpayers. Are not residents and so a huge amount of it. Revenue that comes into all the districts and the county are from visitors.
16:30:17 So I was wondering, I thought it was less inclusive. To use residence if you could say visitors in residence.
16:30:24 That was exactly the conversation that was had when we landed on a generation. I'm actually not that interested in serving and supporting and investing in visitors.
16:30:34 I'm interested in doing that for our community so that we happen to be a great place to visit.
16:30:38 But a lot of our business owners are not residents. But they're included. I mean, we do actually talk about workforce and successful business community.
16:30:47 But condo owners and I mean there's a lot of money that goes into the course and successful business community.
16:30:57 But condo owners and I mean, there's a lot of money that goes into second home or districts that doesn't come from residence.
16:30:57 I mean, I represent all of them. Anyway, that was just my. Actually, there's like there are people who wouldn't I who wouldn't identify as a vibrant workforce, a successful
business community.
16:31:11 Or a resident. Well, I mean, frankly, I'm interested in our residence. That's why I started like the rest is I mean it's it's gravy as second homeowners and visitors enjoy this
place, but I'm I want to serve the residence.
16:31:25 The voters. Yeah. Well, something's a whole lot better with gravy. And I love multi generational.
16:31:42 I am a 3 generation family here, but II just want, I don't know.
16:31:45 I like that word too, but I. We're okay. We're no. I think I hear your question, Jeff, but I also think it's I understand why it's as it is.
16:31:57 So then I guess that's very done. Michelle and Bernie, do they have your permission to?
16:32:03 Convert this into a beautiful graphically designed product. We, what is the action exactly that we're taking today?
16:32:11 So you're not taking formal action if this is what's a work session for us to get your feedback and make refinements to get your feedback and make refinements to the plan based
on the boards.
16:32:24 Captured most of your stuff on the fly. We have a couple of things we need to follow up on, but we will do that and then we're far enough along I think with what you provided
this evening that we could get our graphic artists working on the plan with the content that we.
16:32:44 Yeah, great.
16:32:41 We have, right, at the end of right now. And we will work with the project management team.
16:32:48 To look at visual images that we will incorporate into the document. And Mark may hit you up with some input, like for example, I think it'd be great to have a letter from the
county board and we'll we can do an initial draft of that but have you guys review it maybe make it yours and those types of
16:33:14 things that we might need a little bit more input from you on but you'll get a document that comes back to you for adoption that's got all of the elements in that we want in
the plan, including an acknowledgment page, you know, recognizing everybody who put their heart and soul and time into the plan.
16:33:35 And bring that to you probably realistically. Later in August, maybe early September, just given where we are right now.
16:33:44 It's mid July.
16:33:47 Sounds good you guys. Sounds great. Good work. If it's going to the graphic artist, that means no more substantive changes.
16:33:55 Right.
16:34:00 Okay.
16:33:55 Well, no more sensitive changes. Yes. And so if there's something that's stuck in your crawl, I would recommend, you know, putting it out there.
16:34:11 I would recommend, you know, putting it out there so that we can, we can incorporate any additional change.
16:34:19 Come we might present the draft for final adoption and you'll go. I hate that word. So we'll go and we'll change that word that we can make that.
16:34:29 A, you know, part of your adopting the plan.
16:34:35 Sounds good.
16:34:35 And at that point, that's when we'll really, once you've adopted it, that's when we'll kick in with the implementation planning because we don't want to start down that track
until we really have the board's final approval and then that'll be a fast and quick 2 initiate process.
16:34:54 We'll probably even have a meeting on the calendar. Ready to go. But just know that we won't really do that until we have your final approval.
16:35:04 Sounds good. Well, yeah. Go forth and be productive. I can't wait to see it in living color.
16:35:12 It'll be pretty, I promise.
16:35:16 Yeah, thank you everyone.
16:35:13 Thank you all for all your work today. We appreciate. I need Michelle and all. Hey.
16:35:22 So have you and all your discussion tonight just shows your level of commitment and ownership of the plan and that's a good thing.
16:35:31 All right, we have one more thing that we have to talk about. We're running a little late, but that we just have to, designate a commissioner to be appointed to our regional
recompete task force.
16:35:42 What's that? Well, I think that'll be the natural. Are you gonna? I'm just at the time. On commitment to.
16:36:05 Terrible with me being okay a lot and not knowing my availability. Like I don't know if I'll be have a ton And it's, I mean, in a week I know more, but I.
16:36:09 I feel a little uncertain. Klein isn't gonna point theirs until next Monday. So we could wait and I will have I'm spending the entire weekend intake.
16:36:21 So I will have a better idea of my availability. But. Gregory, are you very interested?
16:36:41 Okay, we will appoint me. Oh yeah, so I move that we appoint Commissioner Brotherton to be our representative on the regional I wholeheartedly second that.
16:36:55 It's been moved in second. I don't do we have any public with us still? Any public comments?
16:37:05 All right, I'll close public comment. We outlasted them today. Alright.
16:37:09 Oh yeah, go ahead Sheriff.
16:37:06 I'm from the public too. I like the idea. I think I like the idea of Greg having that position.
16:37:15 I need, but, with Craig.
16:37:14 Okay. Alright, thanks for your support on that Joe. And now anyone against my, nomination now. Okay.
16:37:28 All in favor of appointing me to the recompete task force and the by saying aye. Aye. All right. That's done and with that we're running a little late so we will.
16:37:35 Unless there's anything pressing, hearing nothing. I will adjourn this 7 17 meeting of the Board of County Commissioners.