HomeMy WebLinkAboutclosed_caption09:08:36 Oh, we can't hear you yet. Take your muted.
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09:08:34 Thank you very much. Can you hear me? Great. So I wanted to make a couple of statements and a thank you about the upcoming FEMA assessment in Brennan.
09:08:45 I know that I'll be discussed at 1 30. I won't be able to attend. I wanted to kind of put my thoughts out there.
09:08:51 First of all, the document that was put together for the agenda item really showcases the fact that people came down to Britain and they listened to what we're talking about
and what we're doing and the county has shown an excellent level of engagement and I really I really appreciate it.
09:09:10 We've had to kind of start the ball rolling Andrew Shorts and Shelley Arnell started with their town hall series which again just literally no does continue this evening I believe
it's 60'clock at the Brennan Community Center.
09:09:26 I believe it's 60'clock at the Brennan Community Center for what Mr. Brennan Community Center for what Mr. Bates just the sewer and septic committee and it's been fantastic
and this document and the application pending application for this grant, really shows that the county is listening and we really appreciate
09:09:36 it. What I think needs to be clarified or we would request clarification on. Is the aspect of documenting, engaging or judging community interest.
09:09:48 Identifying in a formal process. What is the community of Brennan? Is it simply the down town core area?
09:09:55 Is it everything listed in the Britain Census District? Is it everything from the county line up to Mount Walker, etc.?
09:09:59 So identifying the constituents in that area and then putting together a plan on how we can formally judge interest.
09:10:09 This. Application for. A grant to hire consultants to study the flood hazard mitigation risk.
09:10:18 Could do amazing things for our community. It could really put us in a position to foster growth for the county and everyone to understand what we need out here.
09:10:27 And how we can move forward in a safe and sustainable way. But if and if the intent or the consultants chosen.
09:10:36 Don't reflect the needs and thoughts of the community. This also could put us in a situation.
09:10:42 Whereas we end up with more restrictions and styling future growth, putting us in a situation where we can't make the upgrades and repairs and things.
09:10:51 That we need to. You know, our downtown core and other areas that might be affected by fire hazard or flood or landslide mitigation.
09:10:59 So I think the request or the ask that I'm making now is that prior to the grant being authorized for, you know, for application is that we create and establish a specific method
for community interest to be engaged and judged in a documentable and data-driven way.
09:11:18 And hopefully that will springboard us into a situation where, the branding community and the county can engage in a way that's going to be more regular and sustainable.
09:11:31 We've kind of put a lot of effort forward. We've kind of put a lot of effort forward and frankly everybody who've kind of put a lot of effort forward and frankly everybody who's
doing things with these town hall.
09:11:38 And frankly, everybody who's doing things with these town hall meetings. And frankly, everybody who's doing things with these town hall meetings, etc. Are all volunteer based.
09:11:42 And if we could get a little bit of support for the county to create some regular meetings with a staff member or something in the near future.
09:11:45 And next couple years that'd be really helpful. So again I just wanted to thank everybody for listening for putting this together for finding money to help our community and
make sure that we're gonna be engaged and, included.
09:11:58 Thank you very much, Dan. All right, we'll turn to, Shelley.
09:12:03 Miss Yarnell, you have the, the conch and you can turn on your camera if you like, great.
09:12:10 You have 3Â min.
09:12:10 Hi, I wanna address, 2 subjects in my 3Â min. The first one will be short and, that's the fireworks.
09:12:18 I am very much opposed to fireworks, not just for the mess they make, but for fireworks not just for the mess they make but for the damage they make but for the mess they make
but for the damage they do to people pets.
09:12:33 Those kinds of things. I understand that the The ban was mainly focused on, weather, but I think that there are many other things that go into the whole aspect of a fireworks
ban.
09:12:48 I think that one of the things that we can do to help this also helps other aspects of our.
09:12:58 County, especially South County where we don't have any. Police representation in that we could easily develop a ongoing website that has reportability to it where you can log
on to that website you can put your complaint in there you can add video or pictures and the share's department could follow up on it later.
09:13:24 This could be with, vandalism. It could be with homeless people having issues.
09:13:31 It could be with fireworks. It could have tremendous impact on the ability to report situations. Jefferson County, totally, but South County especially.
09:13:42 So that's my fireworks.
09:13:45 Part of this. I too am, along with Dan, feeling like this FEMA grant could be a really good thing.
09:13:55 It could be a really bad thing and it's how we decide to handle it that matters. And we've already created your pathway for determining community support.
09:14:04 We have these series of town halls that's still ongoing. You have 2, area.
09:14:12 Events going on that are going to show you support from people but We need to be really careful in. LISTING to what Brennan and Kilcene wants and will support because Somebody
who lives in Port Townsend cannot know what it takes to live in Brennan.
09:14:34 You really have to have been here and lived here to understand what our needs are. And a consultant brought in from a totally different place has those.
09:14:47 Problems and more knowing what it is to be in self county. So what we need to know is how does the community become involved?
09:14:56 How are you going to tell people in more time than a Friday before a Monday meeting that this is coming up.
09:15:03 This needs to be transparent. And it needs to be. So that people really feel like you're listening and what they say really matters.
09:15:14 And that's what I have.
09:15:17 Thank you very much, Shelley. Anyone else online or in person that would like to make public comment today?
09:15:24 You can click raise hand or star 9 if you're on the phone. Jeff, come on up.
09:15:33 Morning commissioners. Jeff Selby, I live in, Port Halock.
09:15:40 I know that you probably hear a lot more complaints in your jobs than, praise, but I just like to take a moment to.
09:15:49 Thank you all for the support of. The development of the Olympic discovery trail through Jefferson County.
09:16:02 As you know, it has been chosen now as the Western terminus of the great American Rail Trail all the way from Washington DC to the Pacific Ocean.
09:16:14 And with that designation. There will be a tremendous amount of tourism and other many benefits to.
09:16:29 Not only Jeffson County, but the state in general. Yeah, I just wanna thank you for your support in that area.
09:16:38 There's a lot going on. Now that we hadn't even dreamt of 10 years ago.
09:16:47 We are working with the public works on several safety improvements along Larry Scott Trail, you've seen some of those.
09:16:56 Come about and. Our proposed a trail head and a viewpoint in honor of Hall Bates one of our greatest volunteers on the trail.
09:17:15 Is coming to fruition where We've passed just about all of our permitting. Investigations, work.
09:17:27 Anticipating starting construction down there. In.
09:17:34 Later this summer and probably in August sometime. And partnering with various
09:17:45 Companies and other volunteer groups to get that going. So, again, just wanted to thank you all for your support.
09:17:56 And really looking forward to the completion of these modifications and improvements on the trail. So thank you all.
09:18:08 So trail head is that what you're referring to is? Yeah, it's right at the.
09:18:15 Right at the intersection of highway 20 and Fairmont Road. Okay, great. So it's still, even though we don't have that portion of the trail.
09:18:24 Right. We're working with, the city as well.
09:18:32 Trying to come to an agreement. Along with their replacement of a section of water line in order to get the next piece of trail done.
09:18:45 Up towards Eagle. Alright, thank you. Thank you, Mr. Anyone else online or in person that would like to make a public comment today?
09:18:55 We'd love to hear from you. You can click raise hand if you are online or star 9 if you're on the phone or raise your actual hand if you're in the room with us.
09:19:04 Okay, well I will keep public comment open till 9 30 as our practice but Turn to my seat mates.
09:19:14 Any responses to our public comments today? I can start with a few comments. The first is in reference to the Declaration of high fire hazard that happened a week ago Friday.
09:19:29 The Department of Natural Resources declared high fire hazard danger for Western Washington on at midnight on Thursday night.
09:19:38 Before Friday. Or maybe it was Wednesday night and my at this point it's been such a. Active project.
09:19:46 That we can the fire chiefs convene a meeting. And I was I was the only commissioner here so I attended Mark was also out.
09:19:58 And they decided to to follow Dnar's lead and declare high fire danger for Jefferson County.
09:20:06 And that triggered a whole bunch of activity from our fire marshal and also. Our communications, getting a press release together, getting people notified.
09:20:19 So, I would just remind people that the Triggering event for this was a state declaration of high fire danger for Western Washington.
09:20:29 Which triggered about 12Â h thereafter. High fire danger declaration from our fire chiefs unanimously in Jefferson County.
09:20:38 So that's, you know, that's where this all started. And I've heard.
09:20:42 So many anecdotal and individual comments over the last. 10 days. But I just want to remind people how we got to where we are.
09:20:51 And we, it started with the ordinance that we created. March fourteenth of 2022. Which made it.
09:21:00 Not eligible for being implemented in the 2022. Fire season the high fire danger declaration would take a full year, 366 days until it would be eligible for implementation.
09:21:15 So by this. July was June thirtieth or July first. We were eligible to use the ordinance that we had created in 2,022.
09:21:25 And I'm really proud of our team. Everybody came together. To implement the ordinance. It was hard.
09:21:34 There were some really hard decisions made and some financial implications, which I think we'll talk about more today.
09:21:39 But I stand proud of the team. It was it was got like 12Â h so it was it was a challenging deployment of the first high fire hazard declaration using that ordinance.
09:21:55 Well, I'm kind of to say to that the ordinance by design. Is meant to include a lot of different.
09:22:02 Inputs that you know I think a lot of folks just assumed that this was a political action of the commissioners but we're actually the last people to get involved that we you
know we take are take queues from the state and then our fire chiefs who are subject matter experts. And then our fire chiefs who are subject matter experts on this. Yep.
09:22:31 And so, you know, we, intentionally designed the Wayne, we take the final action, but that's after the declaration has already happened.
09:22:35 So just wanna call out that it is, by design, not a political process that is based on the, conditions and you know both current conditions and projected conditions.
09:22:50 So some misinformation I'm hearing that this was just our capricious. Absolutely not.
09:22:59 There's a lot of people with a lot more knowledge putting our fire marshal as well. There's a lot of people with a lot more knowledge putting our fire marshal as well who weigh
in on this process including our fire marshall as well who weigh in on this process.
09:23:13 Including in the formation of the ordinance in 22. In the formation of the ordinance in 22 we didn't know that Brent Butler I think served in that function at that point and
And asking for authority to do this because they deal with the consequences.
09:23:21 So fireworks and dangerous conditions. We'll be repeating all this. Well, so on the other thing, just Jeff Selby being here this morning to thank us.
09:23:31 I've been flying a little closer to the Olympic Discovery Trail. All the issues, speed limits on the trail, signage on the trail, all the issues, you know, My post 0 getting
washed away this year.
09:23:46 All the things that have happened on the life of the trail in the last couple of years that I've been a commissioner have been very active and I'm super grateful for the team
of volunteers that are shepherding this great asset forward for our community.
09:23:58 For the entire, I mean now the entire nation as Jeff just mentioned, we are the western terminus of the great American Rail Trail and we'll have a bigger discussion about this
in a little while but just super grateful for Jeff and Don being here this morning and I look forward to the conversation in a little bit.
09:24:16 And then the Brennan, the Brennan. I have thought the same thing as I know that the state parks has said that they don't have enough flow to their Sewer system, it makes a heck
of a lot of sense.
09:24:29 And I think we need to figure out how to. Make that work for the community down there. But I know that's not my bailiwick necessarily.
09:24:40 Okay, there we go. Yeah, I could, jump in on Brennan. I'm so thrilled that the town halls are happening and that the community is is coming together and that the county is at
the table.
09:24:56 As some of you probably know, only one commissioner at a time can attend those meetings or else we would need to do it as an open public meeting, to attend those meetings or
else we would need to do it as an open public meeting, which I would not recommend if you don' pending and representing there.
09:25:10 You know the the challenge with the sewer is that you know you we are not allowed under growth management to provide urban level of service, public water and, wastewater treatment,
outside of an urban growth area, which Britain is not designated as and That's, you know, there's some very
09:25:34 specific public health exemptions. Exceptions to that. And you know, we have been asking ourselves for a long time.
09:25:40 Could we do this without inviting a growth management lawsuit of some sort. And I still feel very committed to that.
09:25:51 I feel like that we're getting some. Some guidance that perhaps there's some more flexibility there.
09:25:57 I do think we should be prepared to, you know, if indeed we still come up against some resistance there that we should really seek a legislative fix to that.
09:26:08 This, you know, you can easily make the case for the kind of planning we are doing all of you are doing in Britain.
09:26:15 I think is, puts us in a good position to demonstrate that we are protecting the environment. And that there's a public health.
09:26:25 Issue if not currently in the very near future. And and that there's really a very strong economic case to be made.
09:26:35 So, look forward to seeing that unfold. I, Mr. Ventura, I understand your concern about getting the right consultants and, I think that's a great point and the fact that the
Brendan community is really organized right now is Really, it's gonna be really helpful in helping to shape the
09:26:53 scope for these. Funding sources that we have. So, please stay engaged and I look forward to seeing how that work.
09:27:02 Continues to evolve. I, as to the fireworks ban, it was really nice this weekend.
09:27:11 I don't think the word fireworks came up once in my life. I was very happy after an intense week.
09:27:17 The I had the same feeling Jean that like you know, could there just be one area where he like sacrificed to fireworks but then I was like oh gosh having a you know hundreds
of people at a small space with fireworks is probably the only like more dangerous option so anyway we will be discussing that later today Look forward to
09:27:38 digging in there. And, just echo. Heidi sentiments that. Our volunteers, and the Olympic Discovery Trail are just a source of so much value and One of the examples we use for
how community groups can work with us to advance a project.
09:27:59 So thank you. And, I look forward to visiting the viewpoint. Look, even more forward to the trail being completed all the way to the viewpoint, but I won't hold my breath on
that.
09:28:12 Take a little while. Great. I also have some responses, but we have more members. I know Don do you want we're in public comment period would you like to make public comment
this morning?
09:28:21 I don't say use a couple. Yeah, please. While while it's open. Yes.
09:28:28 By way of introduction, I'm Don Laud and I have a property in both Kitsap and.
09:28:34 Jefferson County and in Kitsap I wrote the concept for the Sand Olympics. Trail our regional trail from Banbridge and Kingston to the good canal bridge at this point.
09:28:47 And, we managed to get property on the Olympic Discovery Trail at a favorite spot.
09:28:56 So it kind of brings my, world together. So then, with the, initiation of the Computer Santa Pacific Collaborative.
09:29:08 I've been working with, each of the our 3 groups, the BB.
09:29:15 Diamond Parts and Trails Foundation, the, R 3 groups, the BB.
09:29:19 Diamond Parts and Trails Foundation, the, North Kidsab Trails Association where I'm a.
09:29:20 Vice President for the STO. And now the peninsula. Trails coalition so we are meeting like weekly and have for many months and so it has been very.
09:29:33 In the So not that. You know, jump too far into.
09:29:41 What will be discussed later? I'm just delighted to be here in person with the entire port of commissioners and Anyway, I am I am enjoying it.
09:29:54 I appreciate your focus and hard work on this. Thank you. Thank you, Don. It's good to see you.
09:30:04 I assume you wrote your bike here today. Did you ride your bike? It's raining, I know.
09:30:12 But I'm going to write it later. Soon you'll be able to ride from house to house.
09:30:19 I'll make one more call online if anyone has. Been moved to comment. We'd love to hear from you.
09:30:25 Last call for public comment online. You can hit raise hand or start 9. Okay, I'll close public comment and echo my seat mates really excited about the the ODT and the raise
grant and you guys have done a great job bringing a lot of stakeholders together.
09:30:39 Just going through the attachment today, it's a lot of stakeholders there. It could work.
09:30:45 So look forward to talking about that more at 100'clock today. Mr. Bish and Brynan and the in the sewer I think it's really exciting I'm glad for all the interest in the community
I mean I think it's really exciting. I'm glad for all the interest in the community.
09:31:00 I mean I think it's clear that there is community interest in it. It's a complicated situation and as we go in with Hopefully get money for some consultants.
09:31:07 I can just. Reinforce that the community of Brandon is who we are working on this for and they will be really important stakeholders as to.
09:31:16 Decisions that are made and there's some challenging decisions, right? I mean, we're trying to with this grant application and some, you know, fish.
09:31:25 Funding, combine the fish and the people as we think about that downtown core. And it's, you know, both where we might have flexibility with commerce right now to really expand
urban level infrastructure.
09:31:37 And it's also literally in a FEMA flood plan. So, you know, we have opportunities to maybe even move the Lambert right now.
09:31:46 There's a lot of opportunities that are in front of us to to develop the infrastructure in Brennan.
09:31:52 We're really focused on doing that. We're willing to as as Kate said, you know, Plant the flag and in a pretty controversial, challenging liability even ridden hill.
09:32:05 But we'll do that with the people of Brandon, you know, we're not gonna go without.
09:32:09 So I'm excited to come tonight. Hybrid meeting in Brennan right now because I have staff that are like, oh, the community center has horrible internet and we're working on it
and we found out the cameras were all uploading to the cloud.
09:32:24 So we're addressing some of the internet issues and my big assignment at the meeting tonight is to look at that TV at the community center and see is this really gonna work
for a hybrid meeting or do we need to update the TV?
09:32:34 So, you know, there's all sorts of little details that come together and one of those is making sure that we can use the advantages of the hybrid meetings to really connect
the folks of Brennan to all the different stakeholders that need to be involved for that conversation.
09:32:47 So. We're there with you and I really appreciate the interest. I will point out the gardener also did a sub area plan.
09:32:57 So it's not just Brandon, but you know, to point out the gardener also did a suburbia plan.
09:32:59 So it's not just Brennan, but you know, with Budlow too, if they had to do one for the NPR. I don't think I think the NPR is a different, a different beast.
09:33:08 I could be wrong, but I know the gardener did one and are still very angry that it was subsumed.
09:33:14 I could be wrong, but I know the gardener did one and are still very angry that it was subsumed into the comprehensive plan.
09:33:14 I think the Brandon one maybe wasn't entirely subsumed. So maybe that's where it's unique.
09:33:16 It has to live with them. Well, yeah, but it then it gets dissolved. The sub area plan is no more.
09:33:24 The sub area plan is no more and it's just part of the sub area plan is no more and it's just part of these.
09:33:26 So it's not a separate thing. And sometimes compromises are made as it's brought into it.
09:33:29 So I've had people do comparisons on the Gardener Siberia Plan to the Comp plan and say this is not what we designed.
09:33:34 And it's true. We're gonna talk more about fireworks at 11, you know, it's I think my seat mates covered that well.
09:33:46 You know, I'm I don't know, some people, you know, find it really patriotic to shoot noisy garbage into the air and I.
09:33:53 Yeah, more power to them. I think this year. It seems like everyone is a little frustrated.
09:33:59 It seems like soft law enforcement was probably appropriate. The kind of rushed aspect of this ban. I know this was the first year since the heat dome year when they were banned
everywhere that my dog didn't have to come inside for the one day of the year but could actually live out on the farm where they live.
09:34:18 So I think the ultimate outcome of it was a lot of the law abiding residents of Jefferson County didn't do it and so we had a lot less impact in the less impacted areas.
09:34:29 So, Linker longer that always has a lot of fireworks. Half of them didn't happen.
09:34:38 You know, Gardner was super impacted with the same out of town focuses every time as well as I hear the IRON day a log dump you know and So like we have some pretty significant
impacts and these were Primarily, I believe folks from out of town that didn't even know they were banned.
09:34:54 So I think it's pretty challenging to give a thousand dollar ticket to someone that's driven 3Â h to the place that they always shoot off fireworks.
09:35:00 Cause we banned him 2 days ago or 3 days ago. But we'll talk about all that in more at 11 and it's I think it was a good way to get our feet wet with the higher standard of
fire danger and to Shelley's point really fired Andrew is the is the only lever that we
09:35:17 have. That we can use to manipulate whether fireworks or how we celebrate the Fourth of July. The others are kind of enshrined in law the garbage the the impact on your neighbors,
the noise, those are not something that we can really legislate about but we do want to make sure that houses don't burn
09:35:34 down and that. We don't start wildfires. Well, I think too, and I will bring this up later.
09:35:41 Just, you know. The the fact that there was like No organized activity on the fourth within the county.
09:35:52 I think also exacerbated some of the frustration. And so, you know, maybe thinking is there are there community partners that we could be working with the county. I think also
exacerbated some of the frustration.
09:36:00 And so, you know, maybe thinking is there are there community partners that and whether that includes fireworks or not, we don't need to find tune that the ordinance allows
that option.
09:36:08 So, but I do think that's, fed into the collective anxiety too. The climbing beef was packed.
09:36:17 I did that on the fourth, but A bunch out of town residents were in the private Thailand that you have to walk across.
09:36:24 You know, I mean, there's, I don't know. You know, breaking the law and it's, it's, I don't know.
09:36:32 I was frustrated even on the clan beach on the fourth of July. And I think that is probably. Are they setting up fireworks? No. Oh, okay.
09:36:47 It does. Firework free. But there was like there was a little 4 year old kids like look at all the oysters I found.
09:36:52 It's 4 years old. Are they sitting on fireworks? And the fun of you? No. Oh, okay. It does. Firework free.
09:36:54 But there was Did not listen to me. Sure, it was the age. I know. I know. They're usually the loose cannon. Oh, which is where? Just wait. Just, yeah.
09:37:14 Okay. Well, I think that concludes public comment. So let's, should we take a look at our consent agenda?
09:37:20 Any questions or comments on the consent agenda? There were 2 people potentially interested in the solid waste. District 2 citizen representative.
09:37:39 And so Al was trying to confirm whether those 2 were still interested. So I'm not sure. I think we might wanna hold off on this appointment even though it's.
09:37:48 It's been a long vacancy and I'm super excited that there will be a district 2 citizen representative.
09:37:54 Swack but the other thought was that we could a point them both that Alan I talked about. I'm on Friday.
09:38:10 There's usually alternates for your district too. Right. So, but I think we need a clear plan with what we're doing with this district 2 citizen reps. So you like to pull number
8 for today? Yeah, I think so.
09:38:14 I mean, unless. I get an email from Al in the next 30Â s. I was curious about the CDBG grant for Ollie cap marker Greg do you know Was there just additional funding made available
from the feds through CDBG?
09:38:34 I assume that what it's what it was. I mean, this is kind of we. We, defer and only cat gets it and they, they often, I mean, it's, goes through the programs or to, you know,
Bayside or other agencies, I don't know the reason. I know that the feds are trying to spend the last of that, the CV, specifically a covid fund.
09:39:00 So guess and then just want to call out that the, Housing Fund Board recommended an additional allocation of $40,000 to only cap for, to keep the a homeless shelter open in
downtown Port Townsend because they have a funding gap this summer.
09:39:19 So that is, number 5.
09:39:22 Glad we had the revenues to be able to do that. I love seeing, DD funds go to accessibility at natural places.
09:39:30 I love the ELIe preserve so it's great to Great to develop that to make it open to everyone.
09:39:36 Yeah, I have a recollection of a friend who is dying in the last days of her can who struggle with cancer and She was like, is there anywhere I can go see the salmon spawning?
09:39:49 And I mean, she literally died 4 days later and I was like. Wow, I think the LEE preserve and She's like, that trail's kind of steep and and then she.
09:39:59 She called me that night and she was like, we got down there. And I'm like, how did you do it?
09:40:05 And she's like, my sister carried the front of the wheelchair. My dad carried there.
09:40:11 Walt carried the bout. I'm giving my names now. Carried the back, but I saw the salmon spot.
09:40:15 And I was like, oh, thank God. So. Yeah, glad to see that accessibility might be a little bit easier in the future for folks who want to visit that preserve beautiful spot.
09:40:26 Okay. I will move to approve and adopt the consent agenda for July tenth 2023. Happy to second that.
09:40:39 Okay, it's been moved and seconded to adopt a proven adopt the consent agenda minus item 8 the advisory point board appointment.
09:40:50 Any further questions or comments? All in favor say aye. Hi.
09:40:55 All right, that is unanimous. We are moved through that. We have a few minutes before our 100'clock meeting or we've got some folks from the peninsula trails and other trails
and other trails and other trails organizations create an update on the Olympic Discovery Trail at 10.
09:41:09 But maybe we can do a little bit of. Briefing over the past week. You wanna start off?
09:41:19 The holiday week. So till 12. I can go in and get, I'll get it.
09:41:28 Get rid of me really quick here today because I took some time off last week. Had family there's an increment of town again.
09:41:38 But it's, you know, it's like this post COVID. The Russia family is it's really wonderful actually.
09:41:48 It's like, oh my gosh, you're still alive. You're here. You're in my house.
09:41:49 So it was it was great and My, stepbrother came the week before from North Carolina and then.
09:41:57 My uncle came from Seattle for a day last Thursday, but anyway. So Monday was with all of you.
09:42:06 Tuesday I was listening to the fireworks go off at Arendale Beach from my bed. Crimson, cringing most of the evening.
09:42:16 And cutling my 4 dogs, but. Anyway. Yeah, I think I like Gene's sandbox idea that's come up more times than this one in the last week of Can we have a designated place to do
fireworks?
09:42:35 I think, you know, I don't know. It. I could probably talk about fireworks for hours right now.
09:42:41 I'm just really. I think I'm post post post-traumatic stress syndrome from last week.
09:42:49 Jta Transit Authority Finance Committee meeting on Wednesday the fifth and then I scheduled a debrief just an an after action with the fire chiefs and the sheriff and on the
fifth just to say how did it go yesterday.
09:43:03 And so that's when I think the idea for this session this morning came was that it was a good conversation with them.
09:43:09 But I just wanted it us to have a conversation while it was still fresh in everybody's head so we circled the wagons and You'll hear much of what we talked about.
09:43:18 On the fifth this morning. But I would say that in general I've heard anecdotally from a number of neighborhoods.
09:43:27 Arizona Island. Parts of Hab that their neighborhoods were quiet for the first time and their they could remember on the Fourth of July so and chalk that up to whatever you
want to.
09:43:43 Let's see. And then. There's Thursday evening I participated in.
09:43:52 Public works is doing a series of neighborhood outreach meetings around the sewers. Now that they know kind of the routing of the main lines.
09:44:02 Checking in with individual landowners and specific areas that are gonna have sewer main in them. Just there is where we hadn't really talked to LAND owners before, so.
09:44:10 A number of folks have come to the meetings and expressed interest in being hooked up to the sewer and So I think.
09:44:18 It was a small number, so I think we're going to have to do individual outreach with a lot of landowner, property owners and have block, but anyway, it's been a good process
and Some great conversations have been had.
09:44:31 And those were my formal activities. Okay, yeah, let's see. So, I'm sorry I wasn't here on Monday.
09:44:44 I literally got stuck in Mexico, which sounds like an excuse. I literally got stuck in Mexico, which sounds like an excuse.
09:44:55 I mean, I literally got stuck in Mexico, which sounds like an excuse. But, then doggle.
09:44:58 Yeah, there was no like the hangover movie adventure or anything. It was, pretty tame.
09:44:59 But, yeah, there was no like the hangover movie adventure or anything. It was, pretty tame.
09:45:00 But, yeah, a soccer match of live national team football soccer team of Mexico play out which is actually very exciting to do that in Mexico.
09:45:11 It's very cool. But yeah, but sorry to miss Monday's meeting was on the airplane flying home a day late.
09:45:15 Fourth of course was the holiday and fairly quiet in Port Townsend. Be a little pops here there, but it's always difficult to tell is that you know coming from would be or other
places that.
09:45:27 Relatively common district one I will say. jump right in on Wednesday with a bunch of meetings.
09:45:37 The aquatic center healthier together had a meeting on Wednesday morning and. We are preparing for outreach meetings later this week, which we'll talk about.
09:45:46 But, You know, just continuing to narrow in on what are the options for potentially financing a aquatic center and what is the interest and.
09:45:56 Willingness of the public to support that. So big questions ahead and If. We're gonna have some, I think when the next touch point will be with you guys.
09:46:10 I cannot attend the Thursday meeting. This week. Mark, I'm wondering if you're available.
09:46:24 I can attend that there's a Wednesday and Thursday. A fairgrounds meeting on Thursday.
09:46:34 Are you talking about next week? Sorry. With 130, correct.
09:46:36 Yep. I wanna make it. This Thursday evening at the fort. I have a conflict where I can attend the Wednesday virtual meeting, but kind of comes up with an important on Thursday.
09:46:50 Whether you are available, if not, we should get an update again from the consultants relatively soon because we're really getting close to some options and some numbers about
what that looks like.
09:47:01 What time is that at? 6 to 8.
09:47:07 I could probably zoom in.
09:47:10 We'll do that. Okay. I'm I don't have any plans. Okay, it'd be nice if some county representation there.
09:47:25 See, I had a good meeting with the hospital. they're doing some good work, some workforce.
09:47:39 They're doing great work around workforce development and also continuing to run into major concerns. And so we might be.
09:47:47 Potentially helping support some legislative efforts of theirs, you know, rural health care in general is really struggling and, you know, they have So, some specific workforce
needs that there's legislation which makes that a little bit tricky.
09:48:01 So more on that to come. The Association of Counties. I had a meeting with a, a consultant who's been hired to start.
09:48:09 The process, executive director Johnson is leaving not for a year. To think about his replacement but I'll be spending a fair amount of time with Wasack upcoming because of.
09:48:24 That process as well as some there's some real concern from some of the larger counties that their voice is not being adequately represented at Wasack and so we have a meeting
in Olympia this week.
09:48:35 That whether or not Yeah, yeah, it's, you know, I mean, they just feel like they pay about, they find about half the organization comes from them and yet every single initiative
of theirs is voted down.
09:48:54 No, then I've received benefits. That's, that's gonna be a tricky conversation in the next couple of weeks, with Wasack and then also we are starting our new legislative agenda
process.
09:49:08 In the next couple of weeks as well. So, I guess so. Yeah, I think continuing to cut share.
09:49:20 Had a transit advisory group meeting. Wednesday afternoon. And of course the transit authority board has poached a couple of those members to spend a lot of time talking about
how to.
09:49:30 Refill that. Advisory groups if anyone's interested in transit. That's a great, Great, volunteer opportunity.
09:49:41 Thursday have an economic development council board meeting in the morning, which actually ended up kind of occupying the whole day.
09:49:48 Because of something I Want to be sure and check in with you about. The, we're still struggling to, find kind of.
09:50:02 Coming ground with Colin County on the Recompete grant application. I got reached out to you this week too by saying, hey, let's sit down and from the BOCC, which is like a
different group, right? Yes.
09:50:18 So, because the different economic development interests are having a different group, right? Yes. So, because the different economic development interests are having a hard
time getting on the same page, Mark was ISIS and I thought it would be good for our 2 boards.
09:50:24 Permissions to meet and provide direction to our economic development. Yeah, community. Same thing from Randy. Great.
09:50:34 So, if it's all right with everyone. Caroline has been working on a joint meeting in our Monday next Monday's meeting.
09:50:40 That's 17. Yep at 1 30. Okay, so. That will be giving some, you know, trying to find some coming ground and give direction to the various folks involved with that grant application.
09:50:54 It'll be a regular meeting for us. Friday I headed to Levenworth and spent the last 3 days in.
09:51:12 Friday I headed to Leavenworth and spent the last 3 days in democracy school doing a fellowship, a bipartisan fellowship where we foundations of democracy and analyze how that's
working and our current governments.
09:51:21 What's your what's your back of the neck and take home from that? Is it working?
09:51:22 No, no, VR 4 and more polarized and the need for, for good bipartisan discussion is more important than ever and harder than ever to accomplish and both sides are very frustrated.
09:51:41 That ever and harder than ever to accomplish. And both sides are very frustrated. We spent a lot of time this weekend talking about factions and both sides are very frustrated.
09:51:45 We spent a lot of time this weekend talking eroding both parties so It is, I mean it's it's really the I think the problem of our modern times is how We agree, you know, it's
this kind of lack of sense of common good and what we're all working towards and in
09:52:02 a diverse society. A pluralistic society. How do you, how do you find those things?
09:52:08 To agree upon and, you know, I think, you know, fireworks are great example. They've come to represent these massive political divides and.
09:52:18 So I feel, inspired. We read the federalist papers and you know, it's really deep in some.
09:52:24 Academic work. No Aristotle this time, which is kind of nice, but It's, I mean, it is interesting to see how much of our work still comes down to those, foundations, virtues
and what does it mean to have.
09:52:40 Personal rights and property rights and. So I really appreciate the time. It's very kind of intimate time spent with.
09:52:48 Half Republicans have Democrats really like talking about the challenges of working together and repair you up with a Republican.
09:52:57 IS going to be your buddy for the weekend. And I pair you up with a Republican. It's gonna be your buddy for the weekend.
09:53:04 It's gonna be your buddy for the weekend. No, that we do a lot of small group work and it's always, I mean the whole program is designed to be half Republican.
09:53:06 Democrats and. You know, and very evenly divided between city, county and legislative positions. And you're always, yeah, there's, there's, you're never in a discussion with
only your people.
09:53:20 There's assigned seating that you're all at your evenly space. Democrat Republican Democrat Republican, like you're forced to.
09:53:26 Find agreement and work together or flesh out disagreement and it's it's really valuable time. So I'm grateful to be to be to have been chosen to do that program but it's work.
09:53:37 I'm a little exhausted coming in after 3 days of that. 3 days of the federalist papers.
09:53:41 Nice. I had a very stress free week I guess really starting on the fourth of July I mean we were all here on our Some of us were here on Monday, some of us not gallanting around
Mexico, but.
09:53:57 But, Monday was a good day and then, the fourth was, you know, claming and and hanging out with family and had a lot of fun and then the rest of my family departed for a week
so I worked from home primarily.
09:54:10 I, my shadow passed my driveway one time. In the last 5 days. And it was good to go to the POC meeting on Thursday, which was lovely.
09:54:19 I also went to the, Olympic area agency on aging meeting. That's why I talked to Randy or just after that about the Recompete and also we're trying to start in Jefferson County.
09:54:34 A min's group. There's a lot of older Americans who are don't even really recognize that they are caregivers now.
09:54:39 I think we are really. Really coming to a crisis with our older Americans as they try to age in place in Jefferson County. There's new.
09:54:49 Program that's out in many of our 4 counties of the O 3 A of putting, oh yeah, so we're trying to start a men's group in Jefferson County that will that is talking about.
09:55:01 Taking care of your spouse and what's that like you know we men aren't really good about making friends as we get older and talking about the impacts of things on our feelings.
09:55:13 The other theme of my week was, artificial intelligence, which I played with an ungodly amount and one of the things that I played with an ungodly amount.
09:55:24 This program, which is a, artificial intelligence friend. So it's like a little tablet with a little kind of vaguely headlines.
09:55:32 And it just, it's like this one a large language model card called Pi that's just supposed to be a compassionate friend basically and this is just a compassionate friend walks
you through things tells you oh yeah and you're not taking your mess and and I'm really excited to hang out with LEQ
09:55:49 myself. So exciting programs there and I've got some other artificial intelligence stuff to share with you.
09:55:55 Okay, I have something for you too. I my son wrote for, Congresswoman Lose and Kent Perez, he did a analysis of AI for permitting.
09:56:07 Oh excellent. So I want to see it. Definitely. Please do. Yeah. Yeah, no, I've sat down with DCD already looking through that.
09:56:19 Went, yeah, no, I've sat down with DCD already looking through that.
09:56:21 Went to the anti-racist class that, finished my first book for my upcoming NPA program this fall the indigenous people's history of america and so I know what can bring Republicans
and Democrats together we just need another place to.
09:56:37 And so I know what can bring Republicans and Democrats together. We just need another place to colonize and then we'll just something to do.
09:56:38 I mean, we can bring Republicans and Democrats together. We just need another place to colonize and then we'll just something to set our sights on.
09:56:45 And, you know, that was really my week, but I did want to share one thing with you.
09:56:49 One of the things I did was, I'll share one quick. I'll share my screen real quick.
09:56:56 One thing I did was, and Photoshop.
09:57:02 He doesn't know I'm doing this, but this is my buddy. And he's back on the dating scene.
09:57:10 And I'm gonna share a picture of him. Thank you. There it is. I won't tell that that's him.
09:57:19 And that is, can you see the artificial intelligence in that picture?
09:57:24 It is it is rife with artificial intelligence. Stop my share. So it's not really. Well, let's see.
09:57:36 I'm gonna share my screen again and show you the starting point.
09:57:45 That's the picture. He's trying to date again since he and this lovely lady have broken up.
09:57:51 But it's hard to put pictures on match.com if all your pictures, you know, have another person in it.
09:57:56 So. I take a new product. Well, you can't go out to the Isle of Man just to you know on a whim.
09:58:05 Remove. Yeah, so that's my new service. Anyone that? It takes it took 2Â s in Photoshop.
09:58:14 They have a new AI. And then you just remove person, remove this, remove that. Does it?
09:58:26 This is not county sanctioned by the way. This is Greg's pet project. Also use artificial intelligence and then we'll move on to our 100'clock.
09:58:39 I promise I'm not hiding from this.
09:58:50 Best watch. Oh, no, not Sasquatch.
09:58:55 I didn't just get my sound shared. Sorry. I don't mind you share screen.
09:59:05 There. I'm just waiting because I want Kate to see this.
09:59:14 That'll work.
09:59:18 Yeah, people might not know but at our last community conversation meeting. Whoops. I'm not doing that.
09:59:19 Okay. Yeah.
09:59:29 Oh.
09:59:30 I'm just waiting because I want I'm great brother to this your district
09:59:33 Oh, hold on. I got to. Mute. Oh wait.
09:59:40 People might not
09:59:43 Hold on. Sorry, too many screens. Artificial intelligence doesn't work that well. All right, I'm gonna stop that.
09:59:59 Leave audio
10:00:05 Am I? You're trying to get me to stop. This is super short.
10:00:11 There too. Hmm. Alright, sorry. Tech issues.
10:00:22 Share screen. Share this green
10:00:29 Not Oh.
10:00:39 Hi. I'm Greg Brotherton. Your District 3 County Commissioner and Chair of the BOCC.
10:00:46 I'd like to invite you to a series of community commissioner and chair of the BOCC.
10:00:49 I'd like to invite you to a series of community conversations taking place in person and online in your corner of the county conversations taking place in person, community
conversations taking place in person and online in your corner of the county. Are you interested in the Port Halock tour?
10:01:18 Property
10:01:19 Cool. That's great. Thank you. For doing that. Yeah.
10:01:22 So where is that shared? It's not shared anywhere yet. I still got to work on the rotoscoping a little.
10:01:27 It's my first time trying to wrote a scope, but it was really challenging because that turkey, I don't know if you've noticed the Turkey actually hit it's mark that time but
I did go like 5 times. I did not know that.
10:01:34 It gobbles right after I say BOCC, but so I'll refine that a little more and bring it back so we can maybe get more than 2 people to our next community conversation.
10:01:44 All right, well with that it brings us to 100'clock and we're gonna have an update regarding the Olympic Discovery Trail.
10:01:54 So I know we've got lots of folks, but at least Jeff Bowman, please come up to the to the seat and Heidi or do you want to tee this off?
10:01:59 That's the rest. Oh yeah, do we can just take a quick quick break. We're gonna take a quick break.
10:04:53 Yeah. Right, they've got no idea.
10:04:59 He was posted in probably a.
10:05:05 Hmm.
10:05:08 Okay. Welcome back. I will call this meeting of the Board of County Commissioners back into session and now we'll do our 100'clock update with Jeff Mobin and Heidi and the whole
crew so well I'm not gonna take much time.
10:05:26 With a kind of a cryptic request. To come make a presentation to the Board of County Commissioners and asking some questions and I was like, what's this all about?
10:05:35 But in the intervening weeks that we learned, we learned about the successful raise grant application and the letter that we wrote and back in February in support of that grant
application.
10:05:48 So it's actually a big to do today. To celebrate our successful partnership on this grant application and I believe that is what Jeff is here to talk to us about today and his
colleagues.
10:06:00 Yes ma'am. Thank you commissioners. And that's really the principal message is to say thank you.
10:06:07 The success of the raise grant. For the record a little over 16 million being shared by 13 different co recipients constituting 34 projects from Bainbridge.
10:06:21 To the push. Probably succeeded in large part because of the way it brought together all of those jurisdictions, including a couple of tribes, agencies and the like.
10:06:37 We're in part surprised in other parts not surprised because we did feel we had a pretty compelling.
10:06:47 Proposal to put before them. And of course now the work begins. The funding is available for the next 8 years.
10:06:56 Right now the city of Portangelis as the lead recipient. Is early in its conversations with USDOT is the admin of the funds.
10:07:07 To get some of the initial things worked out. If they haven't already, I know they'll be reaching out to all of you as one of the co-recipients along with all the others.
10:07:19 To begin to develop what we understand will be in effect interlocal agreements on some of the nuts and bolts of how things will work.
10:07:29 We've been doing a fair amount of investigation about How does a hydra headed beast like this work?
10:07:38 In this federal grant arena with the number of funds. And projects and we have some thoughts that we're presenting to the city of Port I don't need trouble with the many attendant
details but in particular the main thing is that We are encouraging the city to consider.
10:08:03 Enlisting probably 2 consultant teams under some form of IDIQ relationship.
10:08:12 They would probably be the entity contracting with those providers if they and all of you as jurisdictions like the idea.
10:08:22 The theory being that having a couple of teams developing expertise and allocated across the totality of the region.
10:08:31 Selection processes are already taken care of. They develop expertise with regard to the project overall. And some sort of method would be, okay.
10:08:42 Jurisdiction y is ready to do this project okay which of these 2 do you want to use or maybe one will be assigned to the western half of the project.
10:08:50 One to the eastern half. So we're trying to think ahead about how to help the city. And all of the jurisdictions arrive at an effective and efficient.
10:09:01 Way of accomplishing the respective projects that they have. Within the package. A question on that? Yes, sir. I think it's really intriguing to kind of get a top level, couple
options.
10:09:15 Yes, sir. I think it's really intriguing to kind of get a top level couple options.
10:09:18 So, you know, you know, I think it's really intriguing to kind of get a top level couple options.
10:09:21 So, you know, you're not reinventing the wheel every time. Though it does like, each of them are gonna be working for the different jurisdictions.
10:09:24 There's like the same consultant could work for Port Angels. That's like the same consultant could work for Port Angels and then the same consultant could work for Port Angels
and then, you know, the same consultant could work for Port Angelis and then the, you know, the push and then the Quillie Tribe and us and is it so they'd have a bunch of
10:09:33 different of being in Scunthorpe and the ILA somehow with the relationship with the contractors.
10:09:39 And this will ultimately be for the jurisdictions to work out and we wouldn't want to intrude on some of those details.
10:09:46 But at least for us the concept is depending on how the jurisdictions might decide to allocate if they do have for instance a couple of consultant teams.
10:09:58 To put to work on projects. The governments overall, the jurisdictions overall may decide, well, let's have this consultant team work on, the jurisdictions overall may decide,
well, let's have this consultant team work on the Western 17 projects and develop some ge specialization and continuity amongst those projects in the
10:10:15 western half and the other consultant in the eastern half. Or maybe the jurisdictions would be concerned about the timing and timeline in which the various projects are going
to become ripe for work.
10:10:29 That's going to be dependent upon the individual jurisdiction decisions. Which of our projects do we want to get to first now that we have these resources.
10:10:37 So we can't really second guess. What that project timeline might be and whether that would influence how you all might want to make use of.
10:10:48 The notion of having a couple of consultants available to you. We just think that having a couple of, and heck, maybe it's 3 because of the workload.
10:10:58 You're just gonna have to look at a little bit. But having a single process. Result in having a couple of different fully formed.
10:11:07 Consultant teams that can bring the specific expertise that might be needed for each individual project in place so that each jurisdiction doesn't have to go through its own
selection process and the staff time and the administrative costs of just going through that.
10:11:23 It helps the money go further. It helps provide continuity and a developing expertise within those consultant teams to serve those different projects.
10:11:34 So we feel pretty strongly about the value of that. Model that we're suggesting. And as I say we're very early in the conversation.
10:11:45 About that and and you really are the first jurisdiction to hear that in in so much. Detail such as it is.
10:11:57 Could I ask a follow-up to that, Jeff? Do and maybe you're gonna talk about this later in your presentation.
10:12:04 Has there been determined what kind of the decision making or governance model for the management of this project is going to look like.
10:12:13 Not that I'm aware of. we certainly acknowledge and understand that there is going to need to be some sort of a multi-judicial.
10:12:24 Management framework. Again, our understanding of the way the process works is that USDOT as the administrator of the program will have its own.
10:12:36 Preferences or expectations about how they would like to see things managed the city as the lead recipient.
10:12:44 Will have its thoughts about that and then in consultation with. The additional 12 recipients, you would come up with some sort of management framework.
10:12:57 Theoretically the inner local agreements that would be developed between the city and each of the other recipients.
10:13:05 Would result in a fairly straightforward, fairly simple. Oh, ongoing management tasks. Most of that would be covered under the ILA and everybody would understand.
10:13:18 But there will of course be decisions along the way. You know, the overall budget was developed based on some admittedly quick back of the envelope exercises to get both at
project cost, including administrative elements that were in incorporated.
10:13:38 And so was the timeline. All of that is, possible to revisit. You know, like we get into year 4 or 5 and some projects are looking like they're gonna come in over budget.
10:13:50 Is the collective group willing to do that because other projects have come in under. I mean, all those sorts of ongoing management things, yes, Commissioner, there's going
to need to be some sort of framework for that.
10:14:03 But we haven't presupposed a particular framework for that but we haven't presupposed a particular framework for that.
10:14:14 But we haven't presupposed a particular framework for that. Okay. Yeah, unfortunately, I'm not seeing anybody from public works. Okay.
10:14:17 Yeah, unfortunately I'm not seeing anybody from public works, on with us today, but you know, I think step time needed, I'm guessing, and then obviously public works folks,
who are already involved in, you know, design and then obviously public works folks, who are already involved in, you know, design and construction.
10:14:27 So, Yeah, it's complicated. It's exciting, but it's complicated.
10:14:32 Cause I look into these projects and I say, oh yeah, that's really, I mean, public works is gonna be kind of loath to give up developing, you know, this work.
10:14:38 I mean, they've got a right away person that is, you know, got relationships that are established.
10:14:43 So there's a lot of work that is. Hard to farm out and I don't know, it'll be interesting.
10:14:48 So let us know how we can help. I think the respective jurisdictions have Shall I say more or less complete control and how they want to conduct each of their projects?
10:14:59 You certainly have the option of using the funds and doing it entirely with in house And that would be an example of where.
10:15:09 Theoretically maybe if in-house staff costs are roughly the same as off the shelf. Consultant resources than maybe doing it in-house saves a little bit because you don't have
the administrative costs of managing a consultant.
10:15:27 You know, some of that will come out in the wash as if this IDIQ framework comes together, you learn what the cost of that avenue of resources would be.
10:15:37 And so each jurisdiction will be able to value. Oh, I've got an option of using this method to do it or maybe I want to do it in-house or maybe we've got some of our own consultant
that really knows us particularly well and and we're prepared to go that route.
10:15:52 We're really just in this model, the suggestion I've described. Trying to create what we think will be a pretty attractive.
10:16:01 And cost efficient. And, a successful methodology to make available amongst other options. Well, it does make sense in that when we were discussing putting together this Some
concern from our team about having the capacity to even develop the grant application.
10:16:22 So I could really see. This model that you are presenting being an attractive model, but you know, we would want to check in with Monty and Eric and.
10:16:30 See what the John and see what they're thinking, but. Of course. Yeah. To be involved.
10:16:39 And it is, you know, these raise grants, which were previously tiger and before that.
10:16:47 Regional multi jurisdiction. Planning and construction project. So it's you know at least we know this is nothing.
10:16:55 We're not reinventing the wheel. US DOT has been managing these grants. Providing these grants for a long time.
10:17:02 I know it's not easy. It's gonna be very complex, but it's Well, our interest is to try and make it as easy as possible and of course we will continue to be Advocating partners
with all of the jurisdictions.
10:17:19 Don Walat who is on our PTC board is also the representative of the North Kitsap organization.
10:17:25 And between them and PTC and the Bainbridge Island. Organization where we're discussing various other ways to be helpful.
10:17:34 And I won't trouble you with those right now. But we see that there may be other opportunities for us to help get the most out of this over the coming years.
10:17:46 Super exciting and and really there wasn't too much more of a presentation on the raise thing than that.
10:17:54 To thank you and introduce. What we as the nonprofits know about what is still in its infancy administratively.
10:18:06 The key person at the city of Portangelis there, I think in effect planning director Ben Roderick.
10:18:13 Has been gone on a bike trip for a couple weeks. So he only learned about the good news while he was on a bike. So he only learned about the good news while he was on a bike.
10:18:24 That's so he only learned about the good news while he was on a bike. That's probably in California or somewhere in place.
10:18:27 So they're USDO T and starting to chew into things, but I am confident that.
10:18:31 It will all start to come together. Although it wouldn't surprise me if it's 4 to 6 months before.
10:18:37 All of the paperwork agreements and the broad framework. It's figured out. That's just the way these things can be.
10:18:47 I mean, looking through, you know, all the different stakeholders you see how complicated it is and also it Wow, I can see a trail at the other end of this.
10:18:59 Yeah, you know, so it's really exciting. It is who does and thank you guys too for all your work.
10:19:00 I know. It feels it's been years in the making and you guys should be proud of the work that you did.
10:19:10 It came up as an idea during field visits of the rails to trails Conservancy last spring.
10:19:16 And by February we had the applications admitted. So. Yeah, it feels good. The, the mystery, the silent, the secret part, I've been thwarted by your administrative rules.
10:19:33 I might have had something modest in the way of a Item to provide to you. But unless and until you work things out.
10:19:45 Something. Under a value of $30 is okay to receive. You know, maybe I'll just keep them in my closet somewhere.
10:20:01 Thank you. Congratulations. It's not it's not an inducement to do anything further.
10:20:09 It's not it's not an inducement to do anything further. It's to thank you for things already.
10:20:11 I guess the rules that apply to Well, yeah, I was advised that things weren't quite.
10:20:24 Ripe to allow. Anything. But we do fall under the $25. Oh, no.
10:20:46 That's cool. That is okay. 5. That's cool. That is okay.
10:20:53 5 grades are accepted as well as you're not a professional bike. That's cool. That is okay.
10:20:59 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, cup or a blocker. Yeah, swag.
10:21:02 That's cool. To beginning site work and construction on the Hall based viewpoint at the head of Discovery Bay.
10:21:06 It has been. An arduous multi dimensional process. I think.
10:21:18 Crossed our eyes and dotted our teas. With. The land trust, the salmon coalition, 2 county departments.
10:21:33 The Jamestown's clown tribe, the Watching Department of Official Wildlife and the US Fish and Wildlife Service.
10:21:41 On various aspects of the We anticipate that our full final, an ecology, ecology ratified land use permit will be issued this week.
10:21:55 That allows us to confidently submit our building permit which we know has a timeline of its own. Within the challenges of the department.
10:22:07 But we've been led to believe that because it's such a simple, straightforward public benefit project that it.
10:22:12 Won't take terribly long to go through those hoops. We are deep in conversation. Jeff Selby and myself and some others.
10:22:20 With getting the actual site work started and so We are beginning to feel particularly hopeful that we might even have the phase one effort, which is the site work and the actual
structure.
10:22:37 Done before the end of the calendar year hopefully before weather turns bad. The direction we're going may represent some really unexpected financial challenges that we are
gonna have to chase.
10:22:55 But we're, not bashful about asking various parties to help us out however they can with a really valuable public benefit project.
10:23:04 So thanks go to all of your staff for working on this in the midst of all their other things.
10:23:12 We are almost across the finish line with all the paperwork. Oh and then there's the PUD and the water provider too.
10:23:20 So, but anyway, it's gonna be a really wonderful. Facility. We think it's going to help.
10:23:27 Draw effort and attention to further integrate yet with other things that are coming. And I will leave it at that.
10:23:36 That's great. I think Mr. Sylvia has something to add. Just use the microphone.
10:23:39 Come on. You can just kind of. Pull it over. You need to use the microphone, please.
10:23:48 Regarding finance of the project, I just wanted to chime in and thank you all for your support of the project.
10:23:57 I just wanted to chime in and thank you all for your support of the allocation of some of the ARPA funds that became available that helps tremendously with some of the extra
things that we wanted to do possibly in phase 2 or 3 is this development.
10:24:07 Great. Thank you. Thank you. And is there a fundraiser coming up?
10:24:12 For the trails coalition? Yes. We have the second year in which we're managing. Yes.
10:24:22 We have, the second year in which we're managing the tour to lavender if you were out at my truck, you would be overwhelmed by lavender sense of the swag we're gathering for
the rider bags.
10:24:33 Of the swag we're gathering for the rider bags. The first Saturday in August, I believe that's the fifth.
10:24:37 We've got about 600 people registered so far. We're hoping to get it up towards 900 or 1,000.
10:24:46 And, yeah. We're an all volunteer organization that has to grow to be 2 or 3 or 4 staff people.
10:24:54 So. Fundraisers are us. Is a new a new thing for us after 35 years we Happily emphasized and focused on our Pretty impressive volunteer capabilities, but.
10:25:10 That ain't gonna cut the muster if there's 200 or so miles of trail for us to try and help everybody maintain.
10:25:19 Thank you all very much. Link is, yeah, big time. A great partnership between, you know, private organizations, nonprofits and the public sector is how we get the work done
as when we can all day again.
10:25:34 So thanks for. Being an important leg of the stool. We'll let you know when the work parties are happening. How is it? Yeah, sounds good. Cool.
10:25:52 Thanks. Larry's got trail without running into Don. Oh yeah. It's like 4 out of 5 times.
10:25:58 I'll see you down. Nice. Alright, that's good. He has a tenth placed every 10 miles. Right. He's a new house. Right.
10:26:11 Oh, okay. Yeah. That's true. Thank you. All right.
10:26:16 Thanks, guys. Yeah, alright, we're gonna go into an executive session in a few minutes.
10:26:19 1030. Oh yeah, so one other thing that we need to get worked out before at a lunch is, calendering for this week.
10:26:29 I was reminded I had forgotten on Thursday by Anna from. Public health that I was going to go to the BHAC meeting this coming Tuesday tomorrow that is the eleventh.
10:26:46 Hi Chris. And continue the work to bring back a recommendation for July 20 sixth and then recognize that Heidi was gonna be there too.
10:26:57 So say, hey, we should make this a special meeting. And then I don't know what happened then, then Kate started writing not to exceed bullet points from my agenda as what I
saw.
10:27:09 If a special meeting is called. So all I got was a special meeting notice at a time when I have a conflicting meeting that I have to be at.
10:27:18 And so I just think I think we need a process to call a special meeting. So I thought it was something that included me.
10:27:25 So I mean, it could have been solved by simply. Someone should've just told you. Yeah. Like, you're, you'll see this pop up. This is, include you.
10:27:43 Okay. Like, you're, you'll see this pop up. This is gonna include you. Okay.
10:27:47 Cause there's been a few special meeting scheduled that have conflicted with things on my schedule.
10:27:51 Right? Yeah, I think whoever's scheduling it to any of our staff. Okay.
10:27:55 But I did also want to make sure just looking at the points, I was really going to be making the recommendation and truth in it with the BHAC that I'm planning to bring to an
afternoon workshop on the 20 sixth.
10:28:09 So I just want to make sure that's what you're expecting is not a process that's going to be outlined at that point, but a recommendation supported by staff.
10:28:20 This was intended to be a discussion between the behavioral health consortium and the baby health advisory committee on the behavioral health consortium and the baby health
advisory committee on the deployment of opioid funding in Jefferson County.
10:28:33 That was how it was. At this meeting. At the Behavioral Health Advisory Committee meeting tomorrow.
10:28:43 With a recommendation coming out of that meeting. That's nice. That's not consistent with what you and I talked about.
10:28:54 Because I'm not allowed to be part of this conversation. That was the intention of inviting Greg so that we came to out of that.
10:29:01 Behavioral Advisory Committee with a sense of what the pay-real consortiums thinking.
10:29:06 We haven't even had a conversation between the 2 entities. Right. And, The behavioral health consortium is not coming tomorrow.
10:29:13 I'm just coming tomorrow. Talking through the proposal is what we're talking about. Right. Right.
10:29:24 What proposal? The one that I talked to you guys about that you wanted kind of more truth, which is taking the 2 opioid settlements we're having.
10:29:36 Keeping the behavioral health consortium existing as an independent group. And then the other settlement going directly into the funding revenue of, the behavioral health advisory
committee.
10:29:49 It could be granted out to the community granted out. So half going. The only other recommendation we heard was it all goes to the BHAC to be granted out to the community and
PAC could apply for those funds like everyone else.
10:30:00 I don't think that's a good idea and I think I have Apple on supporting my view.
10:30:06 And my my anticipation of tomorrow was to go and talk about this idea and kind of just see what are the problems and I missing anything and just talk to the last of the stakeholders.
10:30:18 About this idea. See my understanding where I thought we had left it as a board and I could have missed something.
10:30:26 And you know I know I've had some absences so my understanding was that we as a board were going to invite a few key staff and stakeholders to workshop with us.
10:30:36 What we wanted, our, you know, gather some information, maybe come to a proposal. To them.
10:30:44 Well, I don't know if we got beyond that. I thought that was the first step was us having a workshop to get better informed and try to see if we could agree on a position.
10:30:53 Or proposal. I mean those are kind of this I mean just like when Heidi brought a letter to respond to DNR, it was a letter that we could have.
10:31:00 Found issues with or say I didn't want to do that or I don't want to do that.
10:31:04 This is a proposal that's coming with staff support. But, I mean, there's only Let's simply.
10:31:13 It's not enough money to start a new process, right? We're talking about $75,000 a year for 17 years.
10:31:22 The 3 options are those proposal or both both of them added again essentially. It's not quite that simple one of us more a couple of years and doesn't go for.
10:31:32 It's not quite that simple. One of us more a couple of years and doesn't go for all 17 years.
10:31:33 One is very, very kind of strictly 35 a year for 17 years. We can either have the BHASO administer that.
10:31:38 Of course I've been on that board since for 5 years now. I've internalized a lot of the processes that happen in there.
10:31:46 They have suggested that we can just use it as we want. So there's 2 organizations that we have within the county.
10:31:53 They could possibly use it. Otherwise we're setting up something new. One of them is the BHAC.
10:31:59 And they are well well positioned to utilize it and just to pass it through with a minimum of administrative cost.
10:32:05 The other is the BHC. Which has a lot of value. But public health kind of.
10:32:13 Remove themselves from it a little bit and say we don't want to be the fiscal sponsor anymore.
10:32:18 It was based on a Hearst grant. It was a 2 million dollar grant that is gonna be spent out in the fall.
10:32:22 I is serving on that see a lot of the advantages of that and talking to BKSO.
10:32:27 Our health officer, they all agreed. There was some institutional resistance in public health. I had a good meeting with, Apple.
10:32:35 Who was concerned about. Eligibility of just funding the BHC and we went through the MOU and established it is clearly an acceptable use.
10:32:46 So there's not really much else to consider. II thought you guys just wanted more.
10:32:52 Support for it. So that's what I was doing. I mean, There's really just 3 options.
10:32:58 Hey more for the BHSO to have an RFP for it. Do it all do the BHAC?
10:33:03 Or split. I mean, I guess it could all go into BHC, but, I'm suggesting that we just.
10:33:08 Split the baby in half and give each of them. And you guys can have the top half.
10:33:15 At the BHAC it was just our desire to have a conversation with the behavioral health consortium perspective on this.
10:33:23 Coming out of our last BHAC meeting. As the advisory. Committee and then making a recommendation to the board of county commissioners that we can then discuss and except or
not.
10:33:38 And not being involved in either of those, I was just hoping for more situational awareness and maybe the opportunity for the public to weigh in on, you know, sort of unprecedented
new fund, a new funding source and I was wanting a little more.
10:33:51 Again, the edification for myself and then. So I thought to process wise if that's what we had determined that we would, we would workshop it so that we could be a little better
informed.
10:34:02 I know that you are way more involved. Well, and that was the intention of tomorrow's. To kind of workshop it.
10:34:13 So that was my frustration saying that that one topic had been removed from the bullet list of the acceptable agenda items for tomorrow's meeting.
10:34:21 So I said, well, it's not post this agenda. Let's see what's going on.
10:34:23 But that's what I want to talk about.
10:34:25 But we won't take any action. It will be discussion only for to be a special meeting of the BOCC.
10:34:32 It just we would have to call it because
10:34:36 It just feels like there's very little conversation. Between the 2 entities perspectives for me. Between the 2 entities perspectives for me.
10:34:48 And we, and so that's why I wanted that to be on the agenda for so that we could at least start a conversation together.
10:34:53 Would it be helpful to look at the agenda that Carolyn and I work for you, Graham. For your portion of this I can share my screen real quick to see if we need to modify it at
all.
10:35:06 Based on the discussion.
10:35:11 So that's. Great your portion of the meeting tomorrow. And I would say just, I mean, you could say discussion potential actions.
10:35:21 I mean, I would say just discussion. I mean,
10:35:26 I guess I don't need any of the bullet points. That's really I just want open discussion.
10:35:32 So eliminate all the bullet points and I'm fine.
10:35:37 And there wouldn't be any next steps. Didn't know if you're gonna direct staff to do further follow up.
10:35:47 Hi, my I wouldn't as a BOCC. A proposal. The proposed, that's the only thing I want to talk about.
10:36:10 These, options for distribution of funding. As a bullet. When will the fund? Why are you guys managing my agenda?
10:36:17 This is my advisory committee. This is my agenda. This is the special meeting agenda. I just I don't want any of those bullet points.
10:36:25 So the BHBC, especially the agenda and the BOCC special agent. Should at least mesh the first 4 point like you know the first So this is not for the Bay Rail. Advisory.
10:36:44 So this is not for the Maya Rail. Advisory. They're taking the verge from our meeting and putting it at the top of their meeting agenda.
10:36:46 And then after the BOCC adjourned, they'll continue their special meeting agenda. So the first part does have to kind of mesh because we're doing concurrently.
10:36:53 So can we add a bullet that says or can we add to the second to last bullet how And when you can replace the last bullet with proposal for Yeah, allocating per allocation of
funds.
10:37:10 I guess it just seems like Hey, I worry, that you doing a proposal makes it seem like it's a BOCC proposal when we have I don't have any I don't have enough information.
10:37:21 I trust you and I don't have any reason to think that your proposal is not worthy, I don't think it represents the board.
10:37:31 I don't have enough information to get behind any proposal. Right. So. Yeah, maybe if it's just clear that this is from your perspective, your it feels over discussion.
10:37:44 And we can talk about what was discussed at this behavioral advisory committee meeting. I mean, do we?
10:37:53 So, this started as a behavioral health advisory committee meeting. Of which this was one agenda item on a long agenda for this committee.
10:37:59 And we wanted this, you, the Bay Ralph Consortiums perspective on this issue. But I think as we come out of this and we go into a workshop with the 3 of us, we need to have
all of these things outlined for us because Kate hasn't been involved in any of these conversations.
10:38:16 And I think we should have.
10:38:20 But I mean, all of these have already been shared. I mean, that you've had the BHASO talk about What can they be spent on?
10:38:27 And I can talk again. These are all I'll reuse other people's slides for all of these things.
10:38:32 Is the proposal. So eliminate the bullet points and let keep it open and take away potential action and just call it discussion.
10:38:42 But a commissioner comes with a proposal that is like driving a process. As an individual and I like I just don't know that that's really.
10:38:50 I am hoping for more transparency. And I feel like there are other proposals that could be made. You just said there are 3.
10:39:01 Let's say it's Salisbury Rail Administrative Services Organization can manage the funding.
10:39:07 So I think we decided, I think we actually stated publicly that we were not interested in. The April Advisory Committee could grant all these funds through our grant making
process or we could split the funding but those advisory committee could grant all these funds through our grant making process or we could split the funding but those are the 3.
10:39:18 I mean at 1 point public health was interested in administering the funds and Is that still on the table?
10:39:23 I would hate to eliminate that. Well, public health will be with us but usually when we have one of these presentations we there is a proposal And we are either ratifying that
or saying, that doesn't quite work.
10:39:38 I still have questions. So when you brought your letter about forestry there was a lot of ratifying that or saying, that doesn't quite work. I still have questions.
10:39:47 So when you brought your letter about forestry there was a lot of really significant policy proposals that impacted far more money than we're talking about here.
10:39:48 We've had a lot of discussion. All 3 of us have had a lot of discussions about that topic.
10:39:52 We have. Boy, no, 2 years. II mean, but like those specific things, there was a huge amount of policy in there.
10:40:03 There was one policy, there was a huge amount of policy in there. There was one policy was one proposal was presented.
10:40:04 And we dug through it. And we did use our more general knowledge about the subject to ask questions.
10:40:13 When I come on the 20 sixth with Apple and with Jim Ni and with other staff. Up with sailors behavioral health administrative service organizations.
10:40:24 It will be a proposal. That, has been vetted with everyone. But is a proposal.
10:40:31 That's what I'd like to brand. I just, I feel like in our process we usually do a workshop before we could get to a proposal.
10:40:37 So that we have we all have the same information before. We could hire a consultant for the first couple of years.
10:40:50 I guess there's there's not very many there's 2 choices and I'm very clear about the one that I want.
10:40:52 I've got public health on board with me that administers this funds. The other option, there's a lot of reasons that I get For months I got a lot of kind of very firm pushback
from public health on this proposal i think i got to the the roots of the reason why i am The more I get this
10:41:10 pushback, the more I am confident that this is the right attack to take. There's a lot of tension between the BHC and the BHAC.
10:41:19 Having a subservient granter grand tour relationship. Is not the way to create a round table, which is what the BHC has been created as.
10:41:29 It has a lot of value as testified to by our health officer by the BHSO. By Apple herself.
10:41:37 We have a harm reduction department. At public health now. Explicitly because we had the BHC. But being outside of the institution of the county, it's hard for county institutions
to let go of money.
10:41:50 And so there's a lot of resistance to it. But I get more. Sure at every step of the way that this is the a positive path and one that if it's the wrong way we can change too
you know and we have 17 years in these funds I, all I am asking for is the full story to be told so that people who haven't
10:42:12 been. Give me to the full story, get the overview at the behavioral advisory committee meeting, which is.
10:42:17 Agenda item is a portion of. And that we have a discussion about it the full story. At this meeting so that when we come to the workshop, that's the basis.
10:42:29 For which they workshop. And you and you are happy to do that. The path that I'm going to bring to us.
10:42:40 That's not on there. Options for how and when the funding will be dispersed locally.
10:42:48 Can we change like I was suggesting about 10Â min ago? Can we change the second to last bullet options for how and when the funding will be dispersed locally?
10:42:59 I think that's disingenuous. I am quite clear on this path. And maybe I shouldn't go tomorrow.
10:43:06 I mean, I guess. I'm honestly not looking for the behavioral health advisory committee's recommendation on this.
10:43:12 Of course they can utilize the money. Of course they would prefer to utilize the money. They are they are.
10:43:20 I don't think if you come with the proposals and a strong support of people who will be at the meeting, then I don't I don't see why you're so nervous about this I just think
we need to provide all the information so that people have the full picture.
10:43:34 Instead of just RAM riding one idea down everyone's throat. I support your proposal. Picture. Other people know what they're being asked to weigh in on.
10:43:53 I have no objection to doing that but I have an objection. To being told I can't talk about the proposal.
10:44:01 Options for how and when the funding will even be dispersed locally. I mean, sure. I mean, I think it would be good to get input from that group.
10:44:15 I think talking about the process and transparency is good. I mean, sounds like Teddy and I had very different concerns about this and I'm glad we were talking about it.
10:44:24 I mean, this like this is what I wanted us to do is I want us as a board to come to an agreement about how to take this to the parties who have.
10:44:30 Interest and like conflicting interest in it. So I'd rather us be speaking as a board. I really appreciate that you.
10:44:39 Compromise that is going to work and I like I said II trust you I just want us to be knowledgeable as a reward before bringing forward a proposal.
10:44:48 And we've done that today. It would be nice if we kind of intentionally. Create a time space for that.
10:44:56 Okay. Well, I'm sorry about the mis communications. I guess changing that last Full of point 2Â s 2 options for what did you say?
10:45:10 I don't Yes.
10:45:16 The last, or the other, is the process so we can delete it. I mean you can look it doesn't you can leave it I don't care we're gonna have a workshop on the 26 where we make
the decision. I mean you can it doesn't you can leave it I don't care.
10:45:29 Out we're gonna have a workshop would be an opportunity for public comment.
10:45:35 I just wanna feel better. And we'll have a we have a discussion later on regarding what stuff special meeting.
10:45:51 Usually when 2 or more commissioners want to attend the same meeting we have where you have to notice and we'll have a we have a discussion later on regarding what stuff special
meeting usually when 2 or more commissioners want to attend the same meeting we Yeah, I had totally forgotten.
10:46:11 Well, 30Â min enough time. Okay, sorry we can always, in and set another one for this afternoon.
10:46:20 So I think we shouldn't hold up the fireworks conversation. And do we have Sheriff Noel?
10:46:34 I don't know. Okay. Well, I'm glad that he's gonna be able to join us.
10:46:38 Oh, right.
10:46:42 Which is Chris going to join us on Papa's head in? Chris Goy. All right, we're gonna go into a closed session with the County Administrator and Human Resources Director to discuss
that portion of the County Administrator and Human Resources Director to discuss that portion of a meeting during which the governing body is
10:46:59 planning a closed session with the County Administrator and Human Resources Director to discuss that portion of a meeting during which the governing body is planning or adopting
the strategy or position to be taken by the governing body during the course of any collective bargaining, professional negotiations or grievance or mediation proceedings or reviewing
the proposals made in the negotiations or
10:47:10 proceedings while in progress. Exemption is outlined in the Open Public Meetings Act RCW 42 dot 30 dot 1 40 parentheses B.
10:47:23 We're gonna go in at, 1046 and we will come out at 1059.
11:00:53 But obviously.
11:00:56 And, Josh Peters. Brian Tracer. Wendy Davis.
11:01:14 A/C, A/C at top.
11:01:22 Greetings are just coming out of an exec session. And I will Oh yeah, thanks chief.
11:01:32 I'm gonna coming back out of executive session. No action taken and we are just lining people up to start our. No action taken and we are just lining people up to start our
11 a. M.
11:01:42 Workshop or after action on the fourth of July fireworks band. Oh, come on. Yeah.
11:02:00 I don't know, we're probably so nice to you. Alright, we got Don and Brian together in a room.
11:02:08 We're sitting in admin, sir.
11:02:06 Where are you guys? Yeah, where is there? Oh, nice. Alright.
11:02:12 Well, thanks for being with us today. Looking at conditions on the horizon. Just taking a brief little break as we come back out.
11:02:17 Why yes, yes we were.
11:02:19 Yeah. All right. Thanks all for taking the time today and for all your work last week and in preparation for it.
11:02:27 And, really we're just here to kind of, you know, Talk about the Fourth of July.
11:02:34 How we got there? How prepared were we what are the lessons to learn what did we do right?
11:02:40 What do we do wrong? That's pretty, those are pretty much my questions. So This is, yeah, go ahead.
11:02:48 Yeah, and, Heidi, you wanna lead this since you conducted an after action review prior to this and we've had 2 now I think.
11:02:59 So you conducted an after action review prior to this and we've had 2 now I think right or just the second one but since you were the architect or the guiding hand behind the
band.
11:03:02 Or the declaration. BY BAN is what we're calling on. Yeah, you know, I think it might be.
11:03:12 So as everybody. Knows at this point that We declared a high fire danger following the state's declaration of high fire danger for Western Washington.
11:03:25 I think it was on midnight of the 20 ninth or thirtieth of June. We met the next day with the fire chiefs and they unanimously voted to move Jefferson County to a high fire
danger.
11:03:38 So then our team meaning Phil Cicer, our fire marshal and our communications specialist Wendy Davis got the wheels turning on implementing the stipulations that are written
into the ordinance dealing with.
11:03:57 Fire, high fire danger. And. When we did our after action on the fifth of July, I just I really wanted to do that because I was like wow that there went the Fourth of July how
did it go I mean really it was were there fires I you know I just wanted to know what had happened.
11:04:15 And so. I at that point relied on Chief Black. To kind of say how do you guys run after actions on these kinds of you know fire situations and he deferred to the folks so Phil
Sears and Sheriff Noel to give a report on how things went from their end and then I'd also love to hear
11:04:37 from, Chiefs Tracer and Svetch in terms of what we're looking at for a future fire danger because I know that's probably why they're in a room together right now is looking
on the horizon.
11:04:50 So. It would just be great to hear a little bit from each of you as to how July fourth went for everyone and how implementation of this ordinance went for everyone and then
At the end of this, it'd be good to know if there's any more follow up tasks that we all need to lean into.
11:05:08 In terms of any of the repercussions of the fire danger declaration.
11:05:15 So Chief Black, over to you. Okay. Well, I think maybe I'll kind of restate some things we talked about on the fifth and maybe some context as well.
11:05:27 When we decide as a, you know, community to regulate ourselves or pass ordinances, you know, such as, you know, Burma restrictions or fireworks fans or.
11:05:35 Of you know fire sprinklers or seatbelt laws There is a tendency for us, because we're humans to say, well, what is the immediate impact?
11:05:45 And I've been trying over the past week to remind everybody that you may not see an immediate impact or the impact could be positive but be have been caused by another undetermined
factor unrelated factor.
11:05:58 We saw a huge reduction in vehicle accidents during the pandemic for the past few years, but that doesn't necessarily mean people are driving better.
11:06:06 Or that there's, you know, better highway safety that means less people are doing it. So that would be.
11:06:11 Or anybody that studies statistics would, you know, kind of has that mindset. Of too small of a times frame or too small of a sample size can really cause us to focus too definitively
on What impacted this event specifically have over, you know, the the focus group?
11:06:31 So I just kind of want to remind everybody that What we're doing when we pass ordinances like this is we're trying to do 2 things.
11:06:38 We're trying to reduce the risk to our community. And in 2 important ways we're trying to.
11:06:44 Educate people to make them safer and then we're also trying to make sure our fire and medical resources are available and not getting overwhelmed and I would say the same thing
for our law enforcement.
11:06:55 Brothers and sisters as well. Because we are in effect an island. Where mutual aid is gonna be much more delayed and protracted than it would be say if you were down in Vancouver
or in King County where you can Literally call the dispatch center and send me some of the 10 closest engines and
11:07:11 you'll get them pretty quick. Here that's not going to happen. So we need to be really mindful with everything that we do to try to reduce the risk to our community, but also
improve the reliability of our 900, and 11 assets.
11:07:26 And that's. That's the why behind what we did and. And how we did it and how we did it we could definitely always improve But on July third, the region, the national or the
northwestern coordination center elevated the, prepared to subtle to 2 which also trigger, also
11:07:46 as a result that brought us to the high fire, wildfire threat level. And that is what triggered our group to get together and to evaluate the conditions that were.
11:07:57 You know, gonna be experiencing. And it was part of the coordinates at the county crafted with a cohort a year and change ago which was to have the ability to make fireworks
more restrictive or or not available to the public.
11:08:14 And I felt it personally I felt it was prudent to do. To try to keep our community safe and to keep our fire and emails and law enforcement partners as available as possible
for what may come.
11:08:27 So you just said July third but it was actually June thirtieth at that that escalation and Fire Danger.
11:08:36 Sorry, I was looking at the preparedness level went to. 2 on the July third. June thirtieth.
11:08:41 Okay, for the service level. Yeah, I'm talking about 2 different things. Okay. Okay.
11:08:51 What does preparedness levels talk about? What triggered the restriction was within our data at midnight. What does preparedness level mean?
11:09:03 So we're we're in the northwest region coordination center. We, we have a ton of acronyms in the fire service that you don't want to know about.
11:09:09 And this we are in the northwest region. There's preparedness levels one through 5 and we elevated to 2 on the third of July, which means it turns on an administrative capacity
throughout the Northwest region.
11:09:20 And 2 is what all the rest of our neighboring regions have been after quite some time. So we were the last one to elevate from one to 2.
11:09:27 And hopefully we don't get to 5 but that's the goal because we'll be burning at 5.
11:09:32 We will be task saturated. Okay. So, sheriff Noel, should we go to you so that You can give us a report as to what happened.
11:09:45 Sure. Yeah, and I'm sorry about any confusion that I wasn't gonna be able to.
11:09:53 Okay.
11:09:46 Yeah. I think we should. Yeah, let's start with the events. Let's start with Phil.
11:09:57 I was going on my screen. Sorry.
11:10:00 Good morning, good morning everybody. So yeah, so I think, we're pretty much summed it up.
11:10:08 We, gathered with meeting with the, the fire chiefs, for Jefferson County.
11:10:12 And they unanimously voted to. You know, up the restriction which in our ordinance causes a declaration of high fire hazard.
11:10:23 Which we did. The timing of it was a little bit unfortunate. As the firework stands only can be permitted as of the twenty-eighth, which we had 3 permits which were inspected
and, allowed to view sales I should say One of them took a little bit longer to get going, but 2 of them did get
11:10:46 get permitted on the 20 eighth and we're open and unfortunately as of the thirtieth they required the closure of those stands, for our ordinance, which is met with some mild
resistance.
11:11:00 And unfortunately there were some. Repercussions for some of the.
11:11:07 Not for profits that had that stand open. Which they've done some public comment on, previously, prior to the fourth, as of the fourth, you know, I live in the fourth.
11:11:19 As of the fourth, you know, I live in Gardner. There was a lot of, you know, I live in Gardner.
11:11:23 There was a lot of fireworks, sounds going off in a garden of beach was a hot spot.
11:11:26 I understand that the log dump was as well. Some of the lessons that I learned for sure were, you know, having recently come into this role.
11:11:34 Were was the need to have a web page that I didn't. Currently have access to previously through DCD, which we've done that.
11:11:42 Worked great with Wendy Davis to get some of that. Information out there to get it posted there's something that with our community partners and with media outlets.
11:11:54 So I understand there's gonna be some. Possible discussion in the future of a fireworks safe haven somewhere to light them off.
11:12:03 That'll be part of another workshop. I understand it.
11:12:06 That's a special meeting with the BOCC of Clown County.
11:12:09 Okay, got it. So pretty much from there, you know, I think communication, being able to get that information out in a short time period.
11:12:19 Having possibly some more We time the next time that we go through this process, obviously with, would be nice.
11:12:29 We weren't allowed to have that luxury on this round. Other than that, I think that's pretty much it for me.
11:12:37 Question. Phil, this is Kate. I'm, I'm curious. Like in the kind of initial communications and ultimately I guess inspection of the folks selling fireworks.
11:12:55 Do you know if the risk of a ban being declared was communicated to them. Like, and I know this is the first time we've done it, lessons learned but like you know could Do you
see an opportunity where we could kind of better help them in, you know, deciding whether or not they want to proceed based on
11:13:16 what we know about conditions at the time when those are being inspected and set up.
11:13:21 Absolutely that can happen. So the permits were issued did have a condition on them. They said that there was a potential for the sales of fireworks to be.
11:13:34 Banned during a declaration of high fire hazard. So they did have that on there. The community members that were involved in this process also had been contacted with the ordinance.
11:13:45 Previously, upon the passing of the ordinance. So they were given a lot of advance warning that it was a possibility.
11:13:55 In the future I could definitely condition and, give more public information on that when we do a permit these fireworks dance?
11:14:04 Oh yeah, absolute.
11:14:04 Yeah, I'm just thinking like cheap black referred to a different indicator like you know you just wonder at you know giving as much information as possible like you know Looking
at the forecast, do we anticipate that this could be a year where a ban might be required and you know just to help eliminate.
11:14:24 We'll really give them better information and taking the risk whether or not to proceed.
11:14:29 Absolutely. So I was a little bit behind the 8 ball again just having started on the first of June on this one.
11:14:36 Yeah.
11:14:35 So it was, it was interesting first month. But we, And none of the metrics that I had available to me at the time indicated that we were going to go into this.
11:14:49 And one of these declares of high fire hazards until I got to invited to the, emergency meeting from the chiefs.
11:15:00 Yeah, me too. I mean, that's how it happened. There wasn't. There was.
11:14:56 Which was about an hour's notice or so on the thirtieth. yeah, and I've been tracking the weather, but apparently the metrics that I were watching weren't exactly the same ones
that, the state had in mind or anything like that.
11:15:14 So again, the more knowledge and the more public, noticing going forward definitely for sure.
11:15:19 Great, thank you. I'm wondering before we hear from the sheriff if, Chief Tracer and Svedich want to talk about the lead up to the decision, how you think it went.
11:15:32 I'd be curious, your guys perspective is kind of our subject matter experts on wildfire at least.
11:15:36 And how we might communicate that better.
11:15:36 I appreciate the confidence in that. We'll just give you a little bit of history though.
11:15:40 So Donna and I've been watching the weather for a month and trying to keep all of us.
11:15:44 It's on this meeting, appraise of kind of what's going on. We had a meeting prior where we, couple of weeks prior were like, Hey, I know we're getting a little bit of moisture
now but there's something coming.
11:15:55 There's, there's a low pressure hanging over the state that's going one way or another.
11:15:58 We're thinking that it's going to be high that that week before those days before the fourth are going to be, kind of a last minute to things see the where where the weather
went and that's kind of what happened.
11:16:08 So moving forward. Thief talked about the preparedness level for the country. Dnr according to their website just moved Washington state up to a 3.
11:16:19 With that, the lowlands, and I don't have the date. I'm guessing Friday, move the central lowlands where, you know, we've been talking about that fire risk is now up to a very
high at the state level.
11:16:31 So we're gonna have to have a very high at the state level. So we're gonna have to have another conversation as chiefs.
11:16:34 To see if we're gonna match that. Little bit more foundation when we looked at our fire matrix or the fire restrictions that we put in place.
11:16:42 One of the issues that we had last year was DNR raising their fire restrictions to a high and a very high but still having campfires.
11:16:50 My understanding that the DNR as a whole will not ban campfires until they have a directive from the commissioner.
11:16:58 So one of those tools that we had moving forward into the fourth as as an organization as a group to raise those fire restrictions to that high which triggered the Fourth of
July resolution so again if we move in the next day or so to that I, which triggered the, Fourth of July, resolution.
11:17:20 So, again, if we move, which triggered the, Fourth of July, resolution.
11:17:22 So, again, if we move, in the next on propane stove now.
11:17:23 So, our weather is gonna continue to get warm for the next couple of weeks. Today it's supposed to that we're seeing a little bit of moisture.
11:17:30 It's really doing nothing under our canopies or, underneath the grass. Where all our dead fuels are currently.
11:17:37 It's gonna be in the seventies this afternoon so it's gonna burn up and get warm again.
11:17:41 And we're gonna see this trend moving through the week. And again, it's Monday. I'm just getting to my desk and starting to look at whether with Don.
11:17:47 So, we're going to continue to get dry.
11:17:50 So. That time frame around the beginning of July, the end of June. We were looking at a steady trend of Every day it was getting a little warmer, a little drier.
11:18:07 But we didn't really have a defined weather event that was gonna say yeah we're gonna go one way or the other.
11:18:17 And we didn't get that until the third of July. One of the issues we're gonna continue to have no matter what we're doing is we're gonna have to find a way for Phil and the
Fire Chiefs to have a better connection.
11:18:28 With the fire managers that make the decisions on the lowland central fire games rating area. Because that's gonna be a driver for us.
11:19:01 That knowledge a little in advance we might have been able to set up a better messaging. Which is also what we need to do is our messaging needs to be up front and very clear
and as widespread as human right possible when we do stuff like pulling triggers on on restrictions just as a
11:19:25 note. With the exception of a connection island. Where the only county that had 0 Fireworks related fires called in.
11:19:37 I don't know the nature of what started the next island fired yet. So, That was the only fire we had the entire Fourth of July weekend was Protection Island.
11:19:47 We had a lot of little things. Pop up here and there, but as far as true wildfires, we didn't get anything.
11:19:55 Everybody around us got hammered. That's when Mason County got there, 250 acre fire.
11:20:04 The tunnel 5 fire started. Forks nearly burnt. Got another repeat of the 19 fifties fire.
11:20:10 Well, County had several fires related to fireworks. A couple of which cause some grievous issues for a while.
11:20:19 So we were extraordinarily lucky. The one, I think people were very cognizant of the fact that we didn't have fireworks allowed.
11:20:27 And 2 we had got ahead of the Fall game. I remember many, many a fourth of July.
11:20:36 Running from one fire to the next wire up one on one and we just didn't see that this year.
11:20:41 We didn't even with the use of fireworks that we did see, it seemed to be more concentrated down around the water and generally away from.
11:20:52 Higher prone areas.
11:20:54 That's good news, Don. I appreciate you sharing kind of things we can do to improve the process and that's definitely getting our fire marshal more engaged with you guys and
with the fire managers at the state level too.
11:21:07 So that is great to get. Actionable things that we can improve upon. I guess I'd love to focus a little bit more on on the the communications I don't know Wendy I know you were
kind of working hand in glove with all of these folks on Friday.
11:21:22 Do you have any anything that you want to share about the lead up to it after the fourth. Thought.
11:21:27 I think with the circumstances that we were presented with and under we all banded together pretty quickly as a team and then was able to get some messaging out.
11:21:39 Could there be some improvement on that definitely, but I think we all did the best we could in that short amount of turnaround.
11:21:47 I learned a few things about double checking some information from different different folks about what they would like to see put out.
11:21:58 So it was a bit of a learning curve for me as well. But I feel like if we need to do this again next year or as we move through this season, II feel like we're We're doing pretty
well.
11:22:14 Thanks, Wendy. Yeah, go ahead, Chief. Could I just add something, to the public messaging element.
11:22:21 It's one of the most important parts of an effort like this. And I just want to make the commissioners aware of how great it is to work with Wendy.
11:22:27 She's very patient and learning the nuances of fires speak and fire terminology. And in general, really great to work with in coordinate with.
11:22:39 You too.
11:22:47 Yeah.
11:22:37 So thank you, Wendy. We're working hand in hand, on that Friday and We were we were a good team together so I really appreciate your spirit of teamwork Wendy and working with
Phil and the sheriff's office and the fire chiefs it was just really important to get the basic message out as far
11:22:58 and wide as we could in that moment. And I think we're over to Sheriff Noel, cause he had to.
11:23:05 Thank you.
11:23:06 And then the process here, which is. I guess I'll just say it ungracefully because I was out of the country.
11:23:14 What happened with the close scene show and. I think did it 2 days in a row. Without any involvement from any So one was had the the required permits that allowed them under
our. They were all consumer. They were all consumer.
11:23:39 We didn't have any had the required permits that allowed them under our. They were all consumer.
11:23:41 Right.
11:23:43 They were all consumer. They were all consumer. They were all consumer. They were all consumer. We didn't have any professional fireworks shows this year.
11:23:45 They were all consumer. They were all consumer. We didn't have any professional fireworks shows this year. Oh, okay.
11:23:48 All consumer. We didn't have any professional fireworks shows this year. Oh, okay. All consumer fireworks shows this year. Oh, okay. All consumer fireworks shows and they were
using consumer fireworks.
11:23:55 One of them that we've talked And there were other fireworks shows, not just in well scene that decided not to proceed.
11:24:00 But would like to talk about how to proceed next year with a permitted show. And many of the bigger ones were from the reports I heard a lot of folks from out of town.
11:24:09 And the kind of regular the gardener impact is almost always almost entirely out So to be clear, our band does allow certain shows to continue if they are, I think it's talks
about a state.
11:24:23 State permitted show. And so there is a pathway for those shows to continue. Yeah, but it maybe it's a difficult, barrier to overcome to be, to get that.
11:24:33 . it's, it's a challenge. I think it's like, you know, it's a challenge.
11:24:40 I think it's like, you know, it's expensive. Yeah, it costs a lot of money.
11:24:40 I mean, these, ad hoc improv shows or thousands of dollars. I think it's you know add another 0 if you're talking to professional show okay my impression okay I am curious though
maybe I don't know Chief Tracer or Sedge.
11:24:53 Do you know how many years in the past decade or so we had High fire danger as assessed by DNR on the fourth of July.
11:25:01 I mean, I know a couple of years ago we had a total ban, it was extreme fire danger, so we actually stopped it during the fire dome, I think, or a heat dome.
11:25:07 So if I remember right, we didn't do this process of a very high or high fire dangerous.
11:25:15 I think 2017 or 28 were the last 2 times that we did it. So a couple of years back.
11:25:19 But I mean we were our threshold was extreme until this year. Like we are operating under a different standard.
11:25:27 I'm just curious. If you know and it doesn't have to be an answer right now, how many of the previous years in the last decade that were not stopped would have been stopped
with our new with our new standard.
11:25:39 Yeah, so again, that 28 and that 2017 that we didn't have the fire restriction models like we do now we provide primarily follow what DNR did so we went to that high level and
band literally band everything would have been the same same thing DNR was doing so it would have been that O wait and that 17 time
11:25:57 frame. We can.
11:25:58 Great. All right, I guess on the Sheriff Noel, you wanna let us know how the fourth one from the sheriff's perspective?
11:26:07 Sure, yeah, just I guess first of all here in the fire department talked about Phil and Wendy and the the team that they're starting.
11:26:17 I think they should each get a fire helmet. I'm picturing Phil with a with a fire hat on and Wendy but anyway You know, the timing of this thing was unfortunate.
11:26:27 As far as. People were affected, that had. Put money into what they were gonna do fourth or fourth July as far as buying fireworks and the stands and whatnot but you know this
came down last minute from the DNR I trust our fire folks It to make the right decisions.
11:26:45 That's what they're paid for. I think they made made the right decision as, Don Savage was saying we didn't have any fires here.
11:26:54 Whether that was cause of that, I don't know, but regardless we didn't have any.
11:26:58 So anyway, with that said, I wanna say that, First of all, there's many more people that want to light up fireworks in the county than there are deputies.
11:27:07 So, we weren't able to, to respond to every single call that came in and sometimes when we did respond the fireworks were over.
11:27:18 And I don't know if everyone knows this or not, but before us to take action on at least, you know, write a ticket or something.
11:27:27 We have to actually see the fireworks going off. Someone can't tell us that someone was light lighting off fireworks.
11:27:30 We have to, witness that ourselves. So that sometimes can. Raise a little problem.
11:27:37 Another thing is sometimes people hear fireworks and don't know where the sounds coming from and that's often hard to figure out exactly where they're coming from.
11:27:44 That's not always the case. But, from on July fourth from 4 pm till midnight, we had 46 calls, of fireworks being shot off.
11:28:08 Deputies responded to the majority of those. Just because of the nature of, you know, manpower.
11:28:15 They weren't able to go at all. We had 4 deputies on. And the calls were going from Brynan to, you know gardener to marathon so everyone was running around trying trying to
do the best that they that they could. You know, in our.
11:28:34 Are plan was, you know, education over. writing tickets although one person did get a couple of tickets because he wouldn't go along with the program if you want to say the
majority of people when they were talked to.
11:28:51 Said, okay, I won't line them off. Some people didn't know about the ban.
11:28:56 At least they said that. I'm sure that that's true. But that said, one of the places in particular that the, sees a lot of impact is the log dump or Iondale part down on the
beach at the end of Moore Street.
11:29:10 We had deputies going out there. A couple of times in the afternoon and just for people that don't know in the afternoon, families start showing up.
11:29:24 They're setting up canopy temp things. They bring them barbecues. They're, it's, mom and dad and the kids and the grandparents.
11:29:29 There's people coming from out of county. One of the deputies saw a guy walking up with a wheelbarrow full of Rockets, is he described him, and told the guy that there were,
you know, that you can't do this here.
11:29:43 That guy was from Tacoma. It's a family tradition every year that they come to the logged up to light off fireworks.
11:29:50 And that was just one person. That, was talked to that, did that at 1 point a deputy went down there in the evening there was he estimated to counted 60 vehicles and said there
was 150 to 200 people on the beach.
11:30:06 And as much as I hate to say it you know that's not something that we can contend with even with you know, if all are deputies were working and I'm not at least at this point
I'm not ready to turn that into a stand your ground, you know, we're gonna throw everybody out.
11:30:26 It's, Hey, it to me that's there's other ways to deal with things you know we we learn from this I think and we can make better plans for the future on how we want to.
11:30:38 To deal with these kinds of things. There was also a large gathering. I heard it down at the gardener boat ramp that's been mentioned here.
11:30:48 It seems like the gardener boat ramp and orndale park down at the log dump or 2 2 of the big places that people go.
11:30:58 I know there were some places out in Ludlow too or some There were some major fireworks going off.
11:31:05 So. I don't know if anyone has any questions on that.
11:31:11 I think that we do need to plan for next year. I, you know, I,
11:31:18 At the moment I'm hesitant to say it, but that you know the temperatures keep going up things keep getting hotter.
11:31:24 Yeah, if my recollection was it seemed like both Fourth of July's it was kind of misty and cold out and stuff.
11:31:32 It just seems like they've been getting hotter and hotter. So this may become something that we have to deal with more in the future.
11:31:38 And I think that, you know, if we have some prior planning on whether it's closing some places down, I know state parks close gates to parks.
11:31:46 So anyway, I think we need to decide where we want to go with this. On the surface I like the idea of a a safe fireworks users site if you want to call it that I think like
don't say that it said a lot of our fireworks activity was over the water and that's a lot better than having
11:32:07 people head up into the woods or to shoot them off in their yards that may be forested. And also, you know, of course if we close down some of those spots, then where are people
gonna go?
11:32:18 There's definitely a a sense of I don't know what you wanna call it freedom and lighting off fireworks.
11:32:26 I think that that some political. Slaver was added to that this year. That, this is another way of the government controlling what I can and cannot do.
11:32:37 So, with that, I'm open to any questions anyone may have.
11:32:42 Thanks Joe. I wanna see if Tim, Chief Manly has anything to add about his reflections on how things went first and then we can get into unless then someone has a specific question
for sure.
11:32:55 I am later.
11:32:58 Well, I just think that. Chief Svedage and Chief Tracer. I've probably hit all the topics I am coming into the meeting.
11:33:05 I kind of late, but they are, I'm sure, passing on the same sentiments and so on.
11:33:11 I just think the conversation needs to be had some more, you know, talking about some of those popular places that the sheriff talked about of actually making arrangements where
maybe we go down as a community, the fire department, we commit an engine to it or something or even down here in Brennan, you know, down at
11:33:27 Yelix or something along that line. So people can do it, you know. But just something else to talk about, some other ideas, you know.
11:33:38 If that's the the trend or the idea that you guys have.
11:33:44 Thanks. Do you have a question or a cost? A few things.
11:33:51 Maybe I'll just list a mock. I'm not sure who I'm who I want to ask them of, you know, I mean, I think something.
11:33:58 You know, if we had a date certain by which we've made a declaration.
11:34:07 And if we said every year, like we're gonna decide by the and I'm not remembering the state.
11:34:11 State dates for selling. You know, some to try to give some certainty to folks considering selling, you know, like if we took the best available information on if it's the thirtieth
say.
11:34:23 And trying to make a decision then that could, I think that could be useful. I like the idea of, you know, identifying some spaces that are we see we figure safer and could
designate resources too for setting up fireworks.
11:34:41 I worry about the concentration of impacts. Both noise, environmental. And I think that would be a little tricky to work around.
11:34:48 And then, You know, I think I think one of the challenges and we deal with this with regulation all the time is it is it better to have a regulation knowing that that will stop
maybe 80% of people from doing something and knowing that we can't actually stop the other 20% from doing it.
11:35:05 Or does that make it a kind of useless regulation if some is still happening i think in this case we can say there are there was less impact there were not fires nobody's spoken
to injuries but I'm assuming there weren't grievous injuries if we didn't hear about it.
11:35:20 And so overall reduction, that's great, but we still have a lot of people saying then what's the point?
11:35:24 Why bother to ban something if you can't actually enforce it completely? So those are my my few.
11:35:33 Yeah, thoughts and comments.
11:35:37 I don't think there wasn't a specific question more. I have some reflections as well.
11:35:43 So I don't know. Yeah, I mean, I've heard from a lot of people that they were grateful and that their neighborhoods were quieter and Animals were happier and they slept better.
11:35:55 So I feel like. The anecdotal. Positive. And the Lack of fires.
11:36:06 That our firefighters had to fight on the part of July are good evidence that There was some impact.
11:36:13 From the all this collective activity over the last couple of years. To get to this point. But that's not saying that there isn't a better way for us to do it in the future.
11:36:24 And the timing was super unfortunate that we. You know, literally we're figuring out to implement the ordinance.
11:36:30 4 days before the Fourth of July. So I feel like in the future, if there's a goal to get to a go no go.
11:36:40 In that, you know. 20 at the June 20 fifth of June, you know somewhere where we can at least Roll or not role, then it would be.
11:36:52 Prepare and know where we need to. Deploy resources to so But I also, I just, I feel really.
11:37:02 I'm really bummed about what happened with the fireworks stance one because I've been hearing a lot about it from a lot of people.
11:37:09 That the you know the fundraising losses for the big blue boosters Some people have been advocating for folks to go online to their website, big blue boosters.
11:37:19 Com and make a donation because they lost. About I think Kelly said $12,000 in projected revenue and they also spent $15,000 on inventory so That's a almost $30,000 hit for
that.
11:37:34 Organization. And impacts the, you know, experience of those kids in the future. But I also feel like.
11:37:43 Got knows what expenses we. Avoided, you know, so it's I have no, I have no.
11:37:54 Yes, regret over the decisions and actions that we all collectively took over the last couple of weeks. And I am proud of our team.
11:38:02 At rising to the occasion and working collaboratively. All of our fire departments, fire chiefs, assistant fire chiefs, fire marshal.
11:38:12 Communications there they all are some of them on the screen there working together to get this done the first time and now we're trying to figure out how to make it better
in the future so if there are specific recommendations for how to make this better in the future I would be very open to hearing those.
11:38:30 Anyone listening right now? And we, if we have time, we will have a brief public comment, but our conversation might take off the whole, until the lunch break.
11:38:39 So. And we have a meeting in there. Well I'll share my reflections and I think overall It was, pretty effective social engineering.
11:38:51 I think that This was, we were kind of caught flat footed. I did try to bring it up at Jeffcom.
11:38:58 I was gently gaslit by Chief Black who said the laws didn't take effect this year.
11:39:05 You know, I can support the sheriff's office not, you know, being draconian with this rule that was just a couple days old with you know, coming from out of town.
11:39:18 I think some things that we could do.
11:39:19 Better. You know, it was clear that a lot of the concentrations came from out of the county.
11:39:27 So a little reader board, you know, fireworks are banned. If they are in fact banned as you've come into one of the 3 roads that comes into Jefferson County, really just 2 of
them is really just across the bridge is pretty much all you need.
11:39:39 I think some,
11:39:42 I guess, and I'm not sure if there was this, but. Teamwork between the fire departments and the sheriff's department.
11:39:51 You know, I still. I know the port really didn't want fireworks going off at the gardener boat ramp.
11:39:55 It's posted no fireworks. I don't know if law enforcement ever arrived and I'm torn, you know, because these larger ones that are right at the water, they are And they also
have a lot of impact on neighbors that the neighbors don't really like and I don't think the gardener show as to take one
11:40:13 example. Was an economic driver. I think it was people bringing in fireworks from a different state or a different county into our county and shooting them off and leaving a
lot of garbage.
11:40:23 I had 3 emails about all the garbage left on the beach and there's like what department of the county comes and picks up that garbage and it's, oh, we just let that garbage
sit.
11:40:30 Is the answer unfortunately But you know, a safe place to launch fireworks would probably be out at the water somewhere.
11:40:39 Maybe we should. You know, we've got to be out at the water somewhere. Maybe we should.
11:40:44 You know, we've got very strategic abilities with our new ordinance to say, yes, fireworks are allowed here.
11:40:47 They aren't allowed here. Maybe coming up with and I like Chief Manly's idea a lot of you know, a fire supported consumer event.
11:40:58 That makes a lot of sense. So like to say, I'm not sure if I don't think the ordinance allows us to say no fireworks in the Quilting Fire District except here.
11:41:05 But that might be something to consider to have a focused event, though of course those neighbors around that will not necessarily all appreciate all the focus event though
of course those neighbors around that will not necessarily all appreciate all the focus being in their neighborhood.
11:41:18 I think if there are, I mean, if there is a ban, I just, and I am not a law enforcement or fire professional but I feel if you go right 5 big tickets that people will disperse
and if.
11:41:30 If it is against the law that we've got to find a way, maybe it's the fire department coming first and saying, hey, no fireworks. Sorry.
11:41:38 And then followed up an hour later by a sheriff. You know. 4 deputies is not a lot, but if we have this kind of situation, maybe we.
11:41:46 Should prioritize getting an extra deputy for that shift that's really just focused on on on that impact, which I know is significant.
11:41:56 Spit ball in here, but. I feel. That to to Kate's point.
11:42:04 Just the idea of it. My impression was that most of the areas that are kind of impacted my house, lots of people's houses out in the country.
11:42:12 I didn't hear any fireworks the whole week long. Got with the program, didn't buy them.
11:42:19 And I think those are the riskier fireworks that are being shot off. Those ones in the middle of the woods.
11:42:23 You know, was not 50 people around. And I think that was really positive and I heard a lot of really appreciative people, you know, as I've said here.
11:42:35 And I heard a lot of really appreciative people, you know, as I've said here, I did not have really appreciative people, you know, as I've said here.
11:42:38 I did not have to bring my dog inside on that day for the first fourth of July that I can remember.
11:42:39 And a lot of people complain about the garbage and the noise and that's not what we're here about.
11:42:44 We're here about risk to. Fire risk to houses, to to our forests and our natural environment.
11:42:51 And I think we have to stay. Focused on that, but I just. We I would love to see all of these stakeholders that we have assembled come together.
11:43:00 Earlier this next year with the real plan about. What if there is a high fire danger and it's throughout the county?
11:43:08 What is our response gonna be on that day? What's the staffing that's gonna be?
11:43:13 Well, I forgot what the term of art that Chief Black used about the state of readiness, but maybe we need our own little informal fireworks readiness here just so we're all
on the same page as we go into it.
11:43:24 Those folks that abided by the rules don't feel stung. By those that didn't.
11:43:31 Yeah. Yes, that's where I am. I wonder if one kind of compromise could be that I'm looking at our code.
11:43:41 You know that when we do put a restriction in place it requires that a public display of fireworks have to have appropriate state licenses I wonder if there's you know if we
could do more of a local.
11:43:52 Licensed where you know people can demonstrate and I know there is a local there's local license as well but like maybe make the threshold a little bit easier for.
11:44:10 Requirements but not make that such a difficult thing to overcome but address the safety concerns. Gotcha. Maybe you could scoot it closer.
11:44:30 One of the things that maybe is not obvious is. The permitting process for somebody that's credentialed by the state fire marshals office is.
11:44:40 Arduous for a reason. They go through an extensive amount of training. They're licensed and bonded by the state.
11:44:46 Given standards for transportation and storage there which is well beyond the capacity of the local fire districts to to regulate much less help with model code.
11:44:57 Where you could have some sort of halfway in between. And that's why it was chosen. Or recommended by the fire sheets to be in the ordinance where that took out a lot of that
element that or the burden if you will locally for us to decide who is or isn't.
11:45:13 Qualified to, put on a local display and at a at a pseudo professional level.
11:45:20 So I just wanted to have that context. It'd be interesting to know if there are other.
11:45:27 Local like counties that have develop something alternative to the. Big. Permit process. Well, I can certainly, I think all the fire sheets we can maybe keep our ear out to
our statewide associations and affiliations and maybe the fire marshal.
11:45:43 I know he bears us affiliation as well and he could do the same and we could start asking. Doesn't matter to ask.
11:45:51 And definitely I agree with the letting firework stands know about this very real risk that things change and just.
11:45:58 Having this conversation, you know, in March and then in April and May and June and really kind of I was surprised when it happened and I don't know.
11:46:12 I think we can. We need to be as predictive as we can. And just keep working on this until.
11:46:19 I don't know. Get the best results. And I mean, the proof is in the pudding, right?
11:46:22 You know, correlation or. No fires, there's no fires and that's that's a great outcome.
11:46:29 I don't know. Any, anyone with us? Any of our guests like to make a last comment before we open up for a quick public comment?
11:46:37 Yes, go ahead Sheriff.
11:46:39 Yeah, just a couple things going back to what Tim Manley said about having the fire department on site.
11:46:45 I forgot to leave that out when I talked about I think that's a great idea and not that we need to have law enforcement there, but if that was, we could do that too.
11:46:55 If that seemed appropriate. I too found it quieter this year. I have a dog that goes wild with fireworks.
11:47:02 Not that there weren't any, but, but they're what but it was better and you know as far as going forward in the future you know any advance planning we could do including all
of us.
11:47:12 I think is important. You know, not necessarily get into all the details right now, but, and definitely I would, if this was a similar situation next year, we would have more
deputies out.
11:47:25 To try to, you know, quell the situation. A little better than it was this year.
11:47:33 And I like what Greg said. I wrote it down. It's not about the noise, it's about the fire danger.
11:47:40 And I think that's something to keep in mind. It's not about going against America if you want to say it's, it's about keeping our county from burning up.
11:47:49 So, that's, that's all I wanna have to say and I'm glad that we're having this conversation about this.
11:47:54 And we could be, we will be more prepared next year. If, if it comes to that.
11:47:56 Sure. Hi, I ask you one question. I'm curious if the the price of the ticket was chilling to deputies is the is the ticket too much
11:48:10 I don't, I don't think that's the point. It was just, A lot of times it, you know, it didn't seem appropriate.
11:48:18 You know, I wasn't there with each deputy as they're out, you know, individually dealing with this, but, you know, the person that got the tickets and they are $1,000 each.
11:48:27 You know, the thought was, yeah, it was the only way he was gonna get the message. So.
11:48:32 Yeah. If I don't know if that answers your question or not, but.
11:48:34 Okay, great. I see. I should point out that infraction number 2 is 2,000 not one.
11:48:43 Right.
11:48:43 I thought it was a thousand a thousand and possible. Take him to jail.
11:48:46 No, it's 1,000, then violation number 2 is 2,000 and then after number 2, all bets are on.
11:48:54 Oh, I guess you got $3,000 worth of fines.
11:48:58 I do feel like a couple of those would quell a large crowd as well if that was, you know, what we actually needed to do.
11:49:08 Chi family could also escalate, which, you know, I want to be aware of that that with such a limited force, you know, I definitely don't want to put the deputies in a position
to be dealing with escalating while they're explosives.
11:49:18 Surely alcohol around.
11:49:22 Chief Manly.
11:49:20 Thank you, Kate.
11:49:25 Thank you. So yeah, just.
11:49:28 Where is the sheriff was saying, 99% of the people were compliant. You know, they may have been a little bit of gruff and if a deputy had to get involved.
11:49:38 99.9 then became compliant. It was that that point 1% that and as a sheriff said somebody ended up getting a ticket so It really, when we had to do it out here in Brynan a couple
of times, you know, people were compliant.
11:49:56 They understood, a little bit of gruff, but nothing that warranted, the ticket even having to be issued.
11:50:03 So, just having the presence. Talking to people made a huge difference
11:50:10 Great. Thank you.
11:50:13 Go ahead, Chief. I just, if it's okay, I want to give a summary of the medium and long term outlook.
11:50:19 For wildfire threat. That came out this morning. Thank you, Chief Tracer and Svette for watching the the Wi-Fi risk threat increased this morning which is now to very high.
11:50:35 As we go into Thursday and through the weekend we're going to see wildfire danger continue to escalate.
11:50:38 And then over the next few months, into October. Our region, our county is among our partner neighbors, gonna be in the elevated above average threat level for wildfires for
the next 4 months.
11:50:53 So I think that's just something to keep in mind. I know it was this morning on my drive-in.
11:50:58 It was misdeemed down in Paradise Bay. One of my neighbors flagged me down.
11:51:00 I was on a walk and said so much for the the the the burn restrictions chief and I said well you know The moisture is not being absorbed by the field that's already dead and
in by Thursday that's all going to be dried out and cured and ready to go.
11:51:17 And there's a lot of math and science that we watch. Chief Svedish is really good about.
11:51:19 Letting the Fire Chiefs know about the. In indicators that we look at like the energy release component and the probability of ignition.
11:51:27 Those are technical scientific terms that we use. To assess the threat here locally. So thank you.
11:51:32 Chiefs Tracer and Sped it for your wisdom. There's a lot of opportunity for, communicating that to the public too, you know, and that this is really based on science and experts
making these decisions.
11:51:48 Okay, any last thoughts before we turn to public comment for 9Â min?
11:51:54 I just wanna say thank you, commissioners for tack taking this on. I know that you guys got a lot of.
11:52:00 Gruff for it and, thank you. We appreciate you.
11:52:04 Yeah, thank you, Chief. Thanks a village. Okay, well we do have a few minutes because we have so little time and we did get everyone's written comments as well.
11:52:17 So we have lots of lots of stuff to parse. But anyone that online that would like to make a public comment, you can click the raise hand button on this topic and we'd like to
make a public comment.
11:52:28 But anyone that online that would like to make a public comment, you can click the raise hand button and on just this topic and we And, and I Someone asked for their complaint
to be read into the public record and I will provide it by as I indicated to him David, I'm not gonna read it into
11:52:43 the public record. Take more than 3Â min. When you get yourself unmuted, you have one, well, let's say 2Â min.
11:52:53 It looks like there's not a bunch of hands up. You can have 2Â min for a public comment on this topic.
11:52:57 I think I'll only need one. Thank you commissioners. I one other metric that hasn't been discussed is the number of personal injuries that usually occur due to fireworks.
11:53:09 I was wondering if, our EMS folks had any call outs. And if we had any further information maybe from Jefferson health care or any of the other clinic type places.
11:53:21 Regarding injuries due to fireworks. I've been Saying for years that We really don't need fireworks at all in this county.
11:53:31 I know that's gonna be a heavy lift. But you look at the number of communities across the state.
11:53:36 You know, one after the other that are banning fireworks. And, it seems like it's inevitable going along with what Sheriff Noel had to say regarding things getting hotter and
hotter.
11:53:47 It's it's really obvious it's gonna happen. And postponing the inevitable seems like.
11:53:52 An awful lot of work without much reward. So that's it. Thanks.
11:53:57 Thank you, Mr. Dish. Do we have any answer on personal injuries? Only those that would have called 9 1 1.
11:54:04 I know Ease Jeff did not have any fireworks related injuries. I don't know about the other 5 districts related injuries.
11:54:09 I don't know about the other 5 districts and then I wouldn't know about anybody that. I don't know about the other 5 districts and then I wouldn't know about anybody that self
transported to either just in healthcare or across the bridge either.
11:54:17 Please.
11:54:15 Commissioner, I have a comment about that. So if it is during the fireworks season, Clinics, fire departments and so on are supposed to do a reporting to the Washington State
Patrol.
11:54:28 So if anything did happen, those forms will be filled out. And then of course, though, that report would come out later in the year, but I think I can safely speak for Discovery
Bay and Quilcene and Brennan.
11:54:40 I don't think we responded to anything fireworks related injury wise.
11:54:44 That is great news.
11:54:45 And I just to add to that I was paying close attention to the calls over the weekend and I don't remember ever seeing any 8 calls for.
11:54:54 Any injuries related to fireworks.
11:54:57 Thank you, Sheriff. Okay, we'll turn it over to Shelley. You have 2Â min to talk about this topic, Shelley.
11:55:04 Take it away.
11:55:05 Hi. I just wanna say that I hope that we'll look at fireworks. In 2 aspects.
11:55:14 Number one, the people who are visitors who may or may not know. I find it hard to believe there's lots of signs up that says no fireworks.
11:55:22 So, but they are one group, but my concern is the group of people who live here who if anybody was monitoring social media, took this as a personal, request to disobey the law.
11:55:39 And I think that that's what we have to look at a little more. There was a whole thread on on the cool scene page called Kual See and Hold My Beer.
11:55:49 Well, you know, just from hearing that, that those are all people who were planning to do things that they knew were against the law.
11:55:58 And I think that we have to address that as well. That's all I have.
11:56:02 Thank you, Shelley. All right, anyone else online that would like to make public comment? Click raise hand or star 9.
11:56:12 Anyone in the room? Oh, can you share your microphone?
11:56:20 I already made most of my comments this morning so I'll just add a couple things. Law enforcement is very much about voluntary compliance.
11:56:28 And considering the fact that we only had 4 deputies on duty for a a vast, roadless wilderness of a county with multiple sites.
11:56:39 Engaging in voluntary non-compliance during a very high risk. Time should give us pause.
11:56:47 Our, you know, this time of year is not likely to become cooler or wetter.
11:56:54 So the forethought to anticipate implementing bands seems prudent. Public outreach to explain the thin level of staffing and capacity we have to fight buyers seems kind of like
a no-brainer.
11:57:07 The tanker which was attempting to extinguish the fire and Shelton which exceeded 250 acres that tanker had to fly to Moses Lake and back to get refueled with retardant.
11:57:20 We don't have the capacity to refuel the tanker here and there is precious little access for fire trucks or whatever it is that we would use to fight such a fire.
11:57:33 That should make everybody's head spin around. Commissioner Dean, to answer your question about what's the point of the 80 20 split.
11:57:45 Of course we're not going to obtain 100% compliance. I think there's value in the harm reduction of it.
11:57:53 And I think we did see evidence that many people were complying with the request and the understanding that we don't have the ability to fight things if they get out of hand.
11:58:03 So there is value in it. When we start talking about allowing people who do not comply with the thresholds which We have imposed to become licensed.
11:58:16 Which include being bonded. Trained, insured. We're talking about shifting the liability from those who don't comply to the citizens who have to clean up that mess and I'm very
reluctant to afford them that opportunity.
11:58:34 Thank you, Gene. What we are about at the end of time, I'll ask our guests first, anything, you're, moved to share that hasn't been shared.
11:58:45 Really do appreciate everyone taking time out this morning as well as your all of your hard work, you know, before, during and after the Fourth of July.
11:58:54 So thank you for, all being together on this. Really appreciate it. Go ahead, Sheriff.
11:58:57 Yeah, I just wanted to thank the people that, cared enough to attend the meeting. Not only us, but the citizens that and provided their input.
11:59:07 It's always important to have that.
11:59:09 Great, thank you. Okay, any last thoughts? No, thank you everyone. Okay, great.
11:59:20 We'll continue the conversation. You know, time marches on, but I will let you get on with the conversation, you know, time marches on, but I will let you get on with your day
and we are going to recess for lunch.
11:59:26 We'll be back at 1 30 where we are talking about FEMA floodplain application, grant application.
13:30:36 Right. Everyone ready?
13:30:40 It we must.
13:30:43 Get to the right meeting there. So you see Brent's presentation on your screen.
13:30:51 Yes. Just All right, everyone. Welcome back. I will call this July tenth meeting of the Board of County Commissioners back into session.
13:31:03 We're joined by Brent Butler. Dcd chief strategy officer for this talk as well as Tammy Corney natural resources program coordinator.
13:31:12 Good to have you both here. I don't know if we have anyone else online that we should bring over.
13:31:16 Let's see if we have. Do we expect? Nope, looks like no one else that we expect to bring over.
13:31:24 Yeah, we got room at the table for everyone. Okay.
13:31:32 Well, Brent, why don't we hand this over over to you? Take us through.
13:31:37 Well, thank you, Mr. Chair and members of the board and the public. I'm really glad to be here to prevent what I think is responsive to what the community identified as some
of their concerns.
13:31:56 At the March, I believe March fourteenth town hall meeting. And I really wanted to point out that the presentation today, if you move to the next slide.
13:32:07 I'm going to focus primarily on what the 2 principal topics that are relevant. One for the county overall.
13:32:18 And then 2 with specific regard to the Brennan community, a census-designated place by the US census.
13:32:31 And as part of our agenda, I'm gonna talk about. Well, the FEMA, the Federal Emergency Management Agency.
13:32:39 Has identified that we should have what they call a community assistance visit and i'm gonna explain what is a community assistance visit And then I'm going to talk about what
is expected as a consequence.
13:32:52 Of this visit. And then, what are the next steps? And that is related to the entire county.
13:32:59 Okay, and I wanted there to be a clear distinction. And, Tammy Polkarney is going to assist me in the details related to the part 2 of the agenda, the Washington State Department
of Ecology Grants.
13:33:18 And we're going to talk about when we move to part 2 what grant competitions are upcoming that Jefferson County could win.
13:33:26 And I always believe that we need to do why now. Why at all? So why should we apply?
13:33:32 I'm gonna talk about that. What could Jefferson County seek? To study for this first grant that we've identified and so far as the grant guidelines they set certain parameters
and how there might be a shared interest that the communities.
13:33:54 And then, and then in closing of that, what are the structural and non-structural projects?
13:34:00 That Jefferson County could undertake by a second grant.
13:34:06 So I'm gonna move on to the next slide part one.
13:34:10 So first and foremost, what is a community assistance visit? That is a, essentially.
13:34:18 We look at it as an audit. Of how well our community has been addressing what is the greatest financial burden.
13:34:30 To, FEMA, which is flood loss. There is no other.
13:34:37 Area of hazards that generates more loss than flood losses. And so as a consequence of that.
13:34:47 FEMA offers through the National Flood Insurance Program. Subsidised flood insurance. For those communities.
13:34:59 That agree to adopt a flood damage, a prevention regulation, a model ordinance that they have, which could be amended.
13:35:07 It cannot be diminished. In terms of its impact. And so the audit is really an opportunity for FEMA to see.
13:35:19 Is the county implementing and complying with those federal regulations And if they are not, how significant is it?
13:35:31 And so we'll talk more about that. But this is really an audit of of the department of or the county.
13:35:39 And, and how is this done? One of the first things they do, FEMA, will tour our floodplain.
13:35:47 And then they're gonna look to see any. Structures that look like they've been. Substantially improved.
13:35:54 Or new. They don't, we typically don't accompany them. They do that on themselves and and it's a spot check so if they do a random and inspection and then they will come to
the office and ask for those files.
13:36:10 And they will look at those files to see if they are implementing the regulations that FEMA has laid out.
13:36:18 Can I ask you a question about that? I mean, they're gonna use the FEMA flood map.
13:36:21 To inform where they go and look right it's not like that looks like a flood plan. Yes, that's absolutely true.
13:36:31 They're gonna go first. They're gonna go first. They're gonna go first and they're really looking at the flood plan. And they're really looking at the flood plan.
13:36:40 And we're gonna talk about that because I know some members of the community might That's the regulatory area, but we'll talk about that.
13:36:43 I want to make sure that everyone's aware. And so FEMA will inspect. All of our permit files.
13:36:49 For the last 5 years and the procedures in place. And then FEMA typically writes a letter to the chair of the board.
13:36:58 And and some other elected officials but usually it starts with the chair and there will be a letter indicating that this assistance this a visit is occurring.
13:37:09 So what is expected as a consequence of this visit? So, on one side, we're gonna get technical, training.
13:37:18 And support and i should say that's already started they have And I should say it's it's not been finalized, but several members of our staff are going to attend.
13:37:32 What they call managing flood plane development training i believe it's about a week long and this year it's gonna be offered in a.
13:37:41 Yakima. Typically that's held at the the National Fire Academy in Emmettburg, Maryland, but they do have a local program.
13:37:52 It's a, the course numbers 2, 7, 3. If anyone looks it up, you can find it online, FEMA, course 273.
13:38:00 And so that's going to really help us have the technical competency within our staff to administer the flood plain.
13:38:08 Another area that, FEMA has identified as well. What happens if we're doing everything right?
13:38:17 What are some of the benefits? Well, one of them is that we might be eligible for enrollment in what they call the community rating system.
13:38:24 And that is a program which says that for every step that you take. That is above the minimum standard.
13:38:33 We recognize this, decreases the community's collective risk. And by decreasing the community's collective risk, we're gonna have less claims to pay.
13:38:45 And so we're going to reward all of the policyholders, not the ones that are doing more.
13:38:51 Every policyholder will be rewarded with a reduction in their flood insurance premiums commensurate.
13:39:00 With how much we've done to reduce their exposure. And so are we approved for that now? Is that existing?
13:39:09 We are we were originally, in the recession we stopped. That program because of the decline or the loss of staff.
13:39:20 And, if in fact the opposite occurs that we have this community assistance visit and they find that we are not compliant.
13:39:30 In the worst case scenario, we could lose the ability to. Have subsidized flood insurance available.
13:39:38 For community members.
13:39:42 And I want to point out just one of the slides there. Just that is a picture of our winter, 2,02223 king tide.
13:39:51 And one of the areas that we do see that has exposure is our backup point community and so we've been looking to make sure that they're compliant.
13:40:01 It's really close to the city. Limits and I would expect that they will tour that.
13:40:08 Area of the flood plain.
13:40:11 That get point is close to the city limits. Did you say? They're close to comparative to other floodplains like, you know, Thorndyke.
13:40:21 They're pretty far. So I just wouldn't be surprised that would be a spot. Bring it too though, right?
13:40:25 It's a little further. But you know, it's actually quite possible that Brandon might be because I do know that in this round the FEMA has, because I do know that, because I
do know that, in this round, the, FEMA has, reached
13:40:40 out to, in this round, the, FEMA has, reached out to, the Department of Ecology, which is located in Olympia to to the Department of Ecology, which is located in Olympia to
conduct this assessment, this community assistance visit on their behalf.
13:40:55 And so We're just talking about the FEMA, audit is county wide. Yes.
13:41:01 Yes, next slide. And so I'm gonna start segueing and because Brennan is a really good example.
13:41:11 And so what I have here. Can I ask one more thing before you go in? Just when we have those king tides that you just showed the pictures of and we had some impacted home owners
come in and one of the things that we talked about was making it easier for those folks that don't own a mortgage to know that
13:41:29 they're in a floodplain. And I'm just wondering. Is that in any of this work that we can, you know, whether it's putting up a one page run how to access whether you're your
house is in a flood plain.
13:41:43 In the GIS, you know, it's easy to look for once you know that you need to look for it, It really does seem a gap that we only notify people that have a mortgage.
13:41:53 To protect the banks, but we don't notify those that have their house free and clear. To protect them.
13:41:59 And I thank you for that, Commissioner Brotherton. And I would point out that under the community rating system.
13:42:06 If we were a component of that, that's something that they consider above what is required. And you get credits for that.
13:42:14 Just for that reason, because you are reducing the risk of the community by informing them of the risk.
13:42:19 In advance. And so, so that's an optional task that we could do. If we do it independent of the community rating system.
13:42:29 We won't get any discounted insurance. But if we were a participant in the community rating system, we could get a or are those policyholders or several 100 of them, they would
all get the benefit of that by reduction.
13:42:43 I guess I maybe I misunderstood the order of events but I thought FEMA comes does their audit and then if the audit is successful.
13:42:50 They offer the community rating system. Right. And so and so the audit is not going to occur until December.
13:43:01 So we need to get it in place by December as well. Well, what I'm saying is that typically if you're gonna do that outreach you do it before the storm season.
13:43:06 So that would be before FEMA even comes out to visit us. So I don't think it would, they might allow us to qualify it retroactively.
13:43:15 I don't know that. But typically you would apply and then you start putting together a program. And so typically in if you're a community rating system, you would create a community.
13:43:28 Panel and the panel cannot consist of more than 40% of municipal government employees. They want 60% of that panel to be local residents sort of similar to what I heard today.
13:43:42 Morning briefing that I can be on the panel, but I can't have the can't be a lot of me people employed by the county.
13:43:50 It's supposed to be community driven and they would identify how best to alert or inform community members. One of the things that that typically they might create in that.
13:44:03 And it's like a plan for, preparation for flooding is who to reach out to.
13:44:11 Because there's another group, realtors. A lot of the programs say you should be sending out regular letters to realtors.
13:44:19 And so there's a host of different activities and but FEMA does request that the community decide which activities make the most sense, reduce the most, create the grace, greatest
reduction in risk.
13:44:32 And so we can do that independently, but when we do it independently, we're not gonna likely get the credit.
13:44:39 That's the only difference. That doesn't make sense to me. If they want you to do it.
13:44:44 But only after you join their rating system. To not give you credit for good things you've done before joining that system.
13:44:52 Just. Doesn't seem right. Doesn't make sense. Yeah, because I think that they want to make sure that it's being done collaboratively with the community.
13:45:06 And so if you just do it without having some type of organized approach to it. And so if you just do it without having some type of organized approach to it, and so if you just
do it without having some type of organized approach to it, I think that's the concern.
13:45:11 And I'm not sure. And so if you just do it without having some type of organized approach to it, I think that's the concern.
13:45:14 And I'm I'll put a PIN in that until after until before next the following storm season.
13:45:19 Yes. And so, And one of the things is to going back to that we could do that and then see how to improve upon it the year that we can get credit for it.
13:45:31 We can still go ahead and do it. Just acknowledging that it's likely we won't get credit but then we might learn some things that didn't work out well.
13:45:37 The first time that often is the case.
13:45:40 And so then on this slide. There's often a question as to what is regulated.
13:45:48 And so the special flood has it areas. That is the term of art. Used by FEMA.
13:45:56 And that's any area that has a 1% chance of flooding in any given year. And so what that means is that you think about the typical mortgage is about 30 years.
13:46:07 So that would mean that you. If you have a 30 year mortgage You're about almost 30% chance you're gonna have a loss or an impact, a flooding impact in the life of that mortgage.
13:46:19 And so that is where the regulations come into play. And so how do they do that? They go out into the communities and they do a technical, a flood insurance study.
13:46:31 And that Florida Insurance study identifies areas in the community that are likely to flood that meet that 1%.
13:46:40 And so what I have here is a map in the blue in that map. Thelineates our special flood hazard area.
13:46:48 And so that is the area that FEMA requires that higher regulations apply. Now, I wanna point out that.
13:47:00 Fema regulates land through the mortgage market. So there may be community members out in Brennan that have already paid off their mortgage.
13:47:08 And so they are not going to be. they may not know. That they have this risk because if you have a loss and you don't have flood insurance.
13:47:23 Your regular property and casualty insurance does not cover that that loss. You have to have this additional policy to cover the flood loss.
13:47:36 Okay, I just wanted to highlight that because a lot of people may not be aware of that. And so this is typically how FEMA does the regulations.
13:47:45 It's all through the mortgage market because if you know mortgages are are federally insured and so they do that through that mechanism.
13:47:55 So what's the risk? Okay, and I think this is a good example. Because what we're seeing here are, the flood zone, which is the blue.
13:48:06 And do you see that cross-hatched? It's almost like a blue and a stripe of red.
13:48:12 Or orange. So that is what they call the floodway. So with in the special flood hazard area, the hundred-year risk, the area where there's that high higher risk.
13:48:28 There are even areas within that. That are even riskier.
13:48:34 2 of them to note are the floodway. And the floodway is the area where the flood waters from a river.
13:48:43 Will flow. And why that's significant is a lot of times the rivers aren't flowing that significantly.
13:48:51 But the dose of olives when we do have storms, it'll have 10,000 cubic feet per second of water flowing.
13:49:00 And where the problem really occurs is if that water is carrying a tree. In that tree stops in the channel.
13:49:09 Is caught in the channel and then it starts piling up other woody debris behind it. And then you have an immediate.
13:49:17 Aversion or essentially that it'll jump the channel and that's what we call the channel migration.
13:49:23 And so what we're seeing here in that crosshatch is what they consider to be of the channel migrations on the floodway.
13:49:32 Which is an overlapping risk. So. Floodways are subject to high velocity waters. Which can carry debris.
13:49:46 Another high risk is what they call the v-zone. And these are areas in the special flood hazard area that are even higher in risk.
13:49:54 The V zone V for velocity. That is typically related to marine shorelines where the waters have high velocity, wave action.
13:50:06 And so if you're in a V zone, that's another area where FEMA has designated it to have the highest risk.
13:50:15 So I just wanted to to leave you with those 2 areas. So FEMA does offer subsidized flood insurance.
13:50:23 And most importantly If we have that. One in a 500 year storm. Or one in a thousand year storm.
13:50:33 And we have a significant migration out of the channel. And many homes are destroyed. Any of those homes that did not get flood insurance.
13:50:45 But could have. Will not qualify for a disaster relief funds. Even the ones without mortgages. Even the ones without mortgages.
13:50:55 And I just wanted to point that out because we saw this most recently in Florida. Where 40% of the properties didn't have flood insurance.
13:51:04 Those homes were millions of dollars they have to self-infinance that.
13:51:12 And so, and finally, our flood damage prevention regulations are housed in chapter 15.15 and and we do have opportunities for anyone to come in and ask questions about the flooding
that flood damage prevention ordinance.
13:51:31 So I'm gonna talk about our next steps. So for this. Community assistance visit or a cab for short.
13:51:41 We're submitting all of our elevation certificates associated with permits for the last 5 years. They're going to review those to ensure that we've been compliant.
13:51:52 What I have here are 2 pictures of what is more common or common to occur is that If you are in the flood zone.
13:52:01 And you are about to expend, say, 50% of more of your market value in that building and it could be the interior or the exterior doesn't have any difference.
13:52:16 At that point that you reached 50%. One of the most difficult requirements for people to meet is the elevation.
13:52:25 FEMA is realized and and the communities realized that if you elevate your structure and you allow the waters to go underneath it.
13:52:34 You're less likely to lose your home. You're less likely to have that significant loss. So they say at 50% you should be you have to comply and our local ordinance says that
the bottom of the lowest floor should be one foot above the base flood elevation.
13:52:52 So on the left, that is pictured a residential structure and on the right is pictured. Commercial structure.
13:53:00 So commercial structures are allowed to flood proof below the base flood elevation. Now when you see that thing that line BFE, what is BFE?
13:53:12 Really critical to know. The base flood elevation is the height, the floodwaters go. In that 1% flood event.
13:53:21 In a lot of communities that are really proactive. They run out when they have that storm. They mark everything.
13:53:28 They want to make sure that everyone knows that that's the base flood because if you want your building to survive.
13:53:35 If the higher you go above that, the more successful you'll be. So if Breton community, for example, were really invested in protecting their structures, they would know where
that base flood is.
13:53:50 Really critical. It helps with community resilience. When I say community resilience that I'm referring to the ability of businesses to get back.
13:54:03 And become operational after an event. A flood event.
13:54:10 Okay, next slide.
13:54:15 So I'm gonna. Move now to some of the grants that are available. I think we have a unique opportunity.
13:54:22 And so I wanted to talk about 3 grants that are are available. One of them is a competitive shoreline planning grant.
13:54:32 It's approximately 3 million dollars awarded. We can apply for up to a quarter of a million, 250,000.
13:54:41 There is no match required. I wanna point that out. The end date to submit is August seventeenth.
13:54:49 And it would start the agreement would start October second. Of this year and we would have oh excuse me there should be 2,025 there i see a typo
13:55:03 Ends June 30 25. Yes.
13:55:07 And then there's flood plains type design which approved 50.9 million in the last round. And a grant limit is up to a award limit is up to 2 million.
13:55:20 The objectives are to reduce flood risk, restore habitat, improve water quality, and support agriculture.
13:55:26 And most critically, in enhance recreation. I wanted to pass it off to Tammy to talk about the RCO surfboard.
13:55:35 Thank you. That's the opportunity to be a part of this. A session. I'm Tammy Recording Natural Resources Program coordinator and I've been working in the Britain area since
2,004 and the RCO surfboard, standard recovery funding board grant program has been instrumental in
13:55:55 just opening the door, opening a portal on the flood plain and the potential to improve habitat but also to build resiliency for the community as well.
13:56:06 Right now we're requesting 218,000 plus. To conduct the foundational assessments.
13:56:15 And inventories and to continue the meetings of the dosi Walt River Collaborative. Focusing on the Brennan flats.
13:56:23 Currently we have a project in the power lines. A design only project and there's also one upstream of that too.
13:56:33 Initiate conceptual design. So this pending requests would also develop conceptual designs for. Habitat restoration projects I could also meet.
13:56:45 Other community objectives and be a segue to the floodplains by design request and in fact the county applied for floodplains by design in the last cycle and we were listed
for Brennan but just fell under the funding limit.
13:57:00 So we're well on our way as Brent was saying, well positioned to apply for that major funding source.
13:57:08 And can you guys, I'm not sure if you're gonna talk about this later, but you know, we often go for natural resource and habitat funding and funding for economic development
and protection of people and I really like this kind of partnership that's developing to use these 2 as matches, but can you guys talk about the philosophy
13:57:25 of protecting habitat and people simultaneously, especially as we look at. Economic development and the community and the floodplain and where it is and where it could go and
so what the salmon if you will funding provides is just a way to understand floodplain functions.
13:57:50 What can the river give us? What can we do to help it produce what more of what we want?
13:57:57 What are the options and constraints around preventing it? From doing the things that we don't want it to do.
13:58:05 And also the larger context of sea level rise, climate change. That's what I think the salmon dollars open.
13:58:12 Up the possibility to learn and talk about that kind of thing from the experts. So our current consultant is a engineering geologist, do you morphologist, habitat wetlands.
13:58:25 Cultural resources experts, we bring all those folks to the table via the Doci Welsh River collaborative meetings which we haven't had since 2022 due to lack of funding but
now we're getting them up and going again.
13:58:41 Makes the subsequent conversations that more nuanced and sophisticated because if you understand Well, how a river processes sediment and water and responds to changes in the
prevailing vegetation, all of this stuff is really important.
13:58:59 How it uses large wood, how it. Moves or doesn't move large wood and what that would mean for the community and for fish, you know, that that kind of is necessary to later conversations
about looking from the lens of.
13:59:13 Regulation and in my view anyway, but thank you for letting me jump in there. And, do what the prospects I get more money.
13:59:25 And, 25 Biennium. I don't think we've got the full not requested, but it was still a increase, right?
13:59:31 I'm not certain. But I hope so. Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not sure.
13:59:41 I'm not sure.
13:59:48 So I'm gonna move on to the next slide. You gotta talk about, did you talk about this report?
13:59:53 And we're gonna talk about why should we apply now. And I think that I have 2 season and capacity.
14:00:02 Competency and need. And I want to talk about, first I want to just talk about competency.
14:00:08 Maybe you can talk about the Department of Public Health success. Sure, I, just. It's been a privilege to work in the Brandon area.
14:00:20 I know that folks sometimes are concerned that fish are the prevailing desire, you know, to see fish benefit and certainly that's important to everyone right and there's no
one arguing against fish that I that I'm aware of.
14:00:35 But, it's important to. Remember that. The salmon funding dollars that we get.
14:00:43 That's Those open the door really to all other sorts of grants. Opportunities because it shows cohesiveness and direction and momentum and so for fish and everything.
14:00:56 So right now, community development and we at health. Are just really excited to collaborate. Could apply to the Department of of a ecology and build on what the Department
of Health has been doing by way of, you know, just allowing space for the river to do its thing.
14:01:15 We've had, as I said, I think 4. Past grants we have 2 current grants and one requested grant and then.
14:01:24 DCD has just successfully completed a sea level rise study, a comprehensive flood-hazard management plan for the big and little Coline rivers.
14:01:34 It's developing a shoreline users. Guide and then moving forward would potentially apply to the shoreline program for an update to the channel migration zone map for the Brennan
flats.
14:01:53 We already have an update for the power lines Lazy and I know that there are many other things that would be encompassed in that grant, but I.
14:01:57 I need to ask you that. Yeah. And I think that one of the things that I would just expand on is that.
14:02:04 We have been doing all of these studies that enable others to. Engineer projects. And so some of these significant engineered projects have increased the ability of the floodwaters
to reach Hood Canal.
14:02:19 As opposed to the surrounding community. And so by increasing the span underneath these bridges. Significant quantities of water now can flow through to Hood Canal.
14:02:34 As opposed to damaging our Britain community. So all of these grants have been helping that. And that's life and property.
14:02:43 So I just really want everyone to be aware of that. That they're integrally connected. So the C level rise study is done.
14:02:52 The sea level rise study is in the final. So we, we had a draft and there were comments from a ecology and, were comments from ecology and and right now those comments are being
addressed and and right now those comments are being addressed and then once they are being addressed and then once they have been addressed and then once they have been addressed we're
gonna make that
14:03:11 available to the community. To look at and the community's been a part of it. They've been on the panel, the advisory group and so but then some of the technical questions that
came from ecology were being addressed.
14:03:22 So once that is over, we are going to have that available and and tentatively we are seeing.
14:03:29 Unfortunately, a rise in our seas. In this area.
14:03:41 And so. Some of the other reasons is that A lot of times when we apply for a grant, we're not ready.
14:03:49 But what I saw was that there was a sense of community activism in in Brennan. An interest in addressing their growth and development.
14:04:01 And I think a lot of that stems from that March fourteenth town hall meeting and now there's a series of conversations and so this indicates a sense of rightness from the community.
14:04:15 Fourth, we have interested parties. And then fifth and probably significantly fit. Is we're about to add War homes, 890 homes in Brennan.
14:04:28 That is what is designated to come. About from the Brennan or I should say the pleasant harbor master plan resort.
14:04:37 That's a fairly significant project. And so we want to ensure that through this grant that growth and development occurs in a way that protects those values that the residents
there have come to love and enjoy.
14:04:51 And then a 6. Through these grants, we'll be receiving technical assistance. Assistance that we are ourselves could not provide.
14:05:01 And so I see these as really compelling reasons. And I tried to highlight capacity and I want to talk about capacity because what we've demonstrated and just recently in community
development department and also in public health is that we have some team members that have not only the abilities, the competency, but they've successfully been able to
14:05:27 steward projects to completion. And that is a sign or a signal. That of readiness.
14:05:35 Before you leave that slide. Oh, I reading this right that one third of the flood insurance policies in the county paid out this year.
14:05:46 So thank you. And those are key facts and I wanted to point those key facts out. So, and it is what we have currently is 149 flood insurance policies.
14:05:58 That means when I see that. That says to me that there are a lot of flood property owners that haven't been paying that don't have flood insurance.
14:06:08 What that means is that in a sad way is that if there is a significant flood event. In areas of the community that will not be able to rebuild because there'll be no disaster
relief funds for those community members.
14:06:23 That's what that says to me. Maybe I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong, but that's a concerning figure.
14:06:29 A second is that it tells me that we do have some insurance, 43 million dollars worth of coverage in just those 149 properties.
14:06:39 That's the amount of of flood coverage that we have in force. And then that also shares that we have 51 insurance policies claimed.
14:06:49 I have to check on the duration of that. And I'm not sure how far back that goes.
14:06:56 Okay. And then as well as the losses. Those are the losses associated with those 51 claims.
14:07:09 So then, part 2, what could Jefferson County seek to study from the for the first grant that aligns with these guidelines.
14:07:18 So, shoreline permitting monitoring is one of the areas that the Department of Ecology funds channel migration zone studies.
14:07:28 So where is that China migration zone? What are the properties at greatest risk? That's a valuable, information to have.
14:07:42 Improving the shoreline master program implementation. And that could be partly through looking at what we've done that hasn't worked.
14:07:53 And saying, well, if it hasn't worked, we need to do something about it. Climate resilience.
14:08:01 One of the areas of concern I think from our Fire Chief Manly is the level of wildfires in that area.
14:08:09 Significant. Also we're seeing that a lot of potentially critical infrastructure may be impacted if one of the projections of sea level rise actually occurs 5 feet.
14:08:22 And that's pretty significant. And so there will be more to come as soon as the sea level rise study is is finalized and brought to your attention.
14:08:32 It is a requirement, I believe, for that to come before the board and it should be adopted by the board as well.
14:08:38 And then updating restoration plans. What are the restoration needs in of the Brennan area that can be addressed.
14:08:47 And then how can we ensure public access? A lot of the community in Britain is there because they want to have that access.
14:08:55 They want to access the shorelines. They want to fish. They want to get shellfish. They want to harvest clams.
14:09:01 And so one of the aspects of this is how can we ensure that can occur. If in fact we see that there's high levels of bacteria.
14:09:10 That'll we'll lose that resource. And that's I believe one of the reasons that many community members are there.
14:09:19 And then I'm gonna move on to the next slide. And then this last slide really shows what has been funded in the past.
14:09:28 And so I've listed a group of projects that were funded. And the most the highest award. Was for the restoring Snoquami River flood plain processes.
14:09:49 And that included construction of a new revetment. And a flood protection burn. Excavating a new 2,900 foot bank channel and removing 1,200 feet of levee.
14:09:59 So you had removal and construction. So that was one of the projects that was funded. We also had another project funded in the Dungeoness River and that was agricultural easements.
14:10:16 And what is an agricultural easement, a person might ask. Well, that is they're buying a right for development.
14:10:21 A development right. It's allowing that ad to remain in that community. One of the concerns that we've had is that agricultural is becoming harder to finance because the land
prices have gone up to such an extent that you can't purchase a farm and make the money necessary to support the mortgage payments.
14:10:43 So this has been one of the other uses that Dungeness River Valley flood plains and farmlands.
14:10:51 And so I just wanted to give this as an example. What are some of the areas that are available for us as a community on this in the second grant round.
14:11:00 And then I wanted to close for questions.
14:11:04 Thank you so much. Questions? Okay.
14:11:19 How do I know they say that to fund all of the projects? Or this is a lot. Enough to the projects are even in the.
14:11:30 Headline.
14:11:34 So on the, flood insurance. If we have a hunt with a hundred 49 properties that have coverage.
14:11:40 How many properties and what percentage of our properties is that? Well, I would have to get back to you because I think there's this 2 questions.
14:11:52 One is what is that representative overall properties? And then the other one is what does that represent in terms of floodplain properties?
14:12:00 And then the other one is what does that represent in terms of floodplain properties? And that's what those were some of the statistics that I would have to get through our
partners.
14:12:05 My sense and this comes from and I and I didn't share this before that. I had thought that there had been a community assistance visit.
14:12:19 In the period of time that I've been away from Jefferson County. I did participate in the the 2,005 community assistance visit.
14:12:28 Typically every 5 years. I did find out this morning that I was mistaken. There has been no community assistance visit since I was last here.
14:12:42 And so typically when we have those visits, that type of question is answered. We would find out, well, how many policyholders or not not necessarily policyholders, how many
potential floodplain policy holders are there and what percentage are insured.
14:12:58 Yeah. And because that tells you how quickly or how resilient the community will be. If you see only 5% of the community that's in the flood plain has flood insurance, it means
that you're likely not going to recover in any.
14:13:14 Reasonable time frame.
14:13:19 I think we will have time to have a little public comment. I have a question too kind of to get that away from grants and everything and I guess where I see both of these all
of these opportunities looking is is that, the Dungeon S leaving the downtown Brennan area, right?
14:13:37 And that bridge, I think the last grant that you submitted for with floodplains by design that as you said was competitive just fell.
14:13:42 Feel just shy of the funding was. Really looking at that at that gap. The kind of the channelized bridge, the channelized river that the bridge created.
14:13:54 And I'm wondering if you guys can just talk about If that was the focus of all of these grants for fish and for people and everything.
14:14:01 What could be some of the benefits of that work? To the community, to the economic vibrancy, the sustainability of living in that downtown core.
14:14:10 What are some of the things that could help?
14:14:14 Oh, no, you first. Well, I would just say that if, as a result of this assessment that folks and this would be very collaborative and community based and none of the projects
that are funded by RCO surfboard are anything but on a willing partner or willing land oner basis.
14:14:37 There's no specific design or idea for Brynnan. It's more about let's get together with the experts, ask questions, do hydrologic modeling.
14:14:45 Let's get LIDAR flown, you know, just let's get all the tools out on the table in front of us.
14:14:51 And the people that have maybe the most experience. And I know that the erosion is an issue already in Brennan.
14:15:00 The width of the Dosu Alves Bridge, which was built, I believe in. 22,000 I think.
14:15:05 And it was a huge improvement over the previous bridge, but there are signs indicating that it's, you know, may not be enough.
14:15:12 So. On the Duckabush, they're replacing the bridge with the causeway. Who knows what is the right answer to create a release valve, you know, for high water or something along
those lines.
14:15:26 I once again, you know, I there's no answer out there now, but we'd love to work with the community.
14:15:33 And so the benefits could be, you know, moving ahead. From the idea stage, the conceptual design stage and maybe using some grant funding to start engineering.
14:15:45 Design or creating designs that would address some of these issues. Is it fascinating and exciting opportunity, especially given that You know, you haven't mentioned, but maybe
I don't know at some point.
14:15:58 I'm excited to learn more about the opportunities with the Royal Village Centre perimeter.
14:16:03 You know, it just depends like what is what are the And what are the things that we just absolutely don't wanna see changed?
14:16:11 Or is there a way to change them that would actually be acceptable even if that first blush? They're not appealing.
14:16:20 You know. It just depends how much time and effort and creativity people want. Want to put into this effort, but.
14:16:27 I mean so excited. And I could add because I was a sort of a why didn't you mention the rural village center?
14:16:49 So I'll go ahead and I could add, cause I was a sort of, why didn't you mention the rural village center?
14:16:53 So I'll go ahead and I'll just go ahead and veg to that. Yes, one of the things that the state legislature did do is for us to get to that.
14:17:03 Yes. One of the things that the state legislature did do is for us to gives us an opportunity to look at the logical outer boundary of those And so this is an opportunity for
us to look at the logical outer boundary and to say wow given some of the overlapping hazards we see, we can argue intelligently for a change in that
14:17:17 logical outer boundary. So that's one of the potential outcomes. Could it justify connection to the urban level infrastructure?
14:17:30 That's a that's a bit more difficult. Because of some of the concerns that the state has identified with permitting growth outside.
14:17:44 So the Rural Village Center is an area that we can grow and they have identified what that maximum growth cap can be.
14:17:51 And so that's within the parameters of the state. I am not certain about how the areas outside.
14:18:01 One of the areas that typically the state has expressed concern is the extension of urban levels of service that are Really triggered by sewer and so but at the same time we
recognize that we that septics fail.
14:18:17 And so, and so concerns about failure of septics and its impact on those resources is also significant.
14:18:26 But that being said, even sewer systems, they have what they call combined sewage overflows.
14:18:33 And so what that means is that you'll have, and this happens quite regularly in a lot of the urban areas, is that there's a significant rainstorm.
14:18:42 And the sewer system. Receives that storm water. And it can no longer function and it just puts all of the sewers out into the waters.
14:18:54 So, so neither system is perfect. Okay, thank you. Other questions or?
14:19:03 No, that was that was my question. Oh, we ensure that we don't identify the entire lam as needing protection and therefore incompatible with development when it's one of the
only areas we have.
14:19:19 To put services necessary for South County. So. Yes, and just huge concerns about water quality near shore environment ripe carrying water quality I mean, I know that we're
have this conflict about the the land use designation, the lamar and and the ability to put a sewer in there or extend the sewer from dosey Wellops
14:19:43 there. But it seems like the cost benefit, the potential benefit. Of sewing Brennan is huge.
14:19:52 For the future water quality of both the riparian area and the near shore environment. So I just don't understand.
14:19:58 I understand we have to change the rules at a state level. But I hope that we can work towards that as a team.
14:20:06 Because really I think that the community deserves us to think that. Progressively about solutions for what's going on down there.
14:20:17 Because it's really hard right now. I mean, I've been It's not even my district and I get tons of emails about Brennan and the gooey duck and what's going on and I just feel
it's kind of heartbreaking and I feel like Is there nothing we can do?
14:20:37 Okay. I just a learning with everyone about what opportunities exist and yeah. It's not an easy one and I would just say the most the more that we can take Why could chew gum
at the same time and what do we need for the nurturing solutions and then what really makes sense?
14:20:59 Like what is a legacy that we want to hand? Both for the river but also like what is Brennan about?
14:21:05 And is it going to? You know. Be hard Scrabble in one way or another, even if it's Seward, is it?
14:21:14 Going to be in a compromised state or for the long view anyway, could we aspire to something that really works on all fronts and that, where there's more certainty.
14:21:25 I guess then people can plan a future around and So, but I wish I had as more things. More questions than answers today.
14:21:36 And I just wanted to add that one of the things. More questions than answers today. And I just wanted to add that one of the things that I heard is that.
14:21:40 Whatever we do. We're anticipating that there'll be like an advisory panel from the local community.
14:21:47 Because it's so important that, anything that is done. Is something that's vested in the community.
14:21:57 I unfortunately don't live in Brennan. And so I have to rely on those community members that we bring to the table.
14:22:04 As will our consultants. And so typically how that's been done is through a panel. Of those in the community who have considered to be a spokesperson and knowledgeable.
14:22:18 And also that panel serves that transparency purpose as well. We want to ensure that whatever is done, whatever we do is transparent.
14:22:24 So I just wanted to point those sort of components out. That that will be included in the grant. And also typically when I've written grants of this magnitude I've had letters
of support from the community.
14:22:39 Of the grant that I got in a former government that I worked was one of the largest in the state.
14:22:45 And I had 18 or 19 letters of support. And they came from a range of nonprofits, community members.
14:22:55 And so I'm hopeful that we'll see or be able to demonstrate that level of support because this would be a pretty significant investment.
14:23:01 And if you look at the numbers of individuals that live in Brennan. Per head, it would be probably one of the higher awards in the state.
14:23:08 And so we don't have that technical support without asking for it. And so I'm hopeful that the Canadian community does support this.
14:23:17 I think I think you'll be able to get support. I'm also I guess I think I feel a lot of encouragement to that this partnership that we're kind of seeing publicly here.
14:23:32 Creates a defense too for, you know. Possible risk taking because I think that's something that we're willing to consider is you know making making a move with the sewer say
that is if it is justified by the studies that we find, you know, that makes it a lot easier to go into the ma of some of
14:23:50 the larger conservation organizations that might object to it with legal measures, right? So I just feel like getting everyone aligned on a path and it's a complicated measures,
right?
14:24:02 So I just feel like getting everyone aligned on a path and it's a complicated path with a lot of little.
14:24:02 Decision points along the way is going to be our best. Our best path to really getting something done down there and getting it done with a consensus you know across from the
conservation to you know economic development and everything and I really I see that future in this partnership.
14:24:21 Okay, if there's no further questions. Or did you have one Mark? Sounds like what Brent once today.
14:24:28 He's, getting from the board, which is. The okay to proceed. Yeah, is there action that we need to take?
14:24:38 Yes, we did. I think it might be best to listen to the community and then after the community says their preference to act.
14:24:47 Okay great well I will open it up for public comment. Anyone that's with us virtually. We have no one in the chambers with us can click raise hand or star 9 if you're on the
phone and we'll bring you over for 3Â min to comment on this.
14:24:59 This topic. I see Shelly. All right. Jeremy, you're gonna need to approve the promotion to panelists and we'll we'll start with Shelley and give everyone time to get over and
get themselves unmuted and cameras turned on if you wish.
14:25:16 We'd love to hear from you.
14:25:21 Yep, you're ready.
14:25:20 Am I ready? Okay, so my main concern was at the beginning of the presentation where the comment was made that FEMA would have to drive through Brennan to get to wherever they're
going.
14:25:38 I don't just wanna drive through. I mean, that just really struck me right away. And If FEMA is just coming to look and say, oh, you have all these issues, that's gonna be a
problem as well because there are people living here now.
14:25:56 There are new people coming in here now. You in your presentations said there's 900 new homes.
14:26:04 Coming to Brennan. Well, if we don't deal with the problems before those 900 new homes are here, there's going to be a bigger problem then than there is now considerably.
14:26:12 And you do have a group of people who are looking to help facilitate what we want to see in Brennan.
14:26:23 I've skimmed the sub area plan that was in 2,002 it says it's supposed to be updated every 5 years well here we are at 2023 and it hasn't been updated so you know it's it's
really hard.
14:26:40 So you know it's it's really hard to listen to a meeting where there is. The impression that everybody wants to help, but nothing ever happens.
14:26:49 And so we have to make things happen and we're trying really hard to make things happen here now and we need your help, we need the transparency and I don't think we have that
right now either.
14:27:06 So if transparent is what you want to be transparent, we're all for it and let's both be transparent and work this out together.
14:27:15 Thanks, Shelly. All right, we'll turn the cons over to Jeremy. Jeremy, can you unmute yourself?
14:27:22 You can turn your camera on if you wish.
14:27:30 Still seem to be muted, Jeremy.
14:27:40 There you go. Give it a try.
14:27:47 Well, you're unmuted Jeremy as far as I can tell but we still can't hear you.
14:27:56 Do you if you can't get your. Oh, it's not working. If you got a note.
14:28:04 Capture it into a chat and I will read it into the record for you.
14:28:12 Well, Jeremy, types away in chat his 3Â min, public comment. I'll ask if any of the other participants with us would like to make a public comment today.
14:28:20 You can click raise hand.
14:28:24 Star 9 if you're on the phone
14:28:38 Okay, well Jeremy, I hopefully it will see you tonight at the sewer meeting. And I will see you there as well, Shelly.
14:28:45 Any other? Responses to Shelley's comment.
14:28:50 I'm curious. I mean just in response to Shelley. The you know do we need do you think it's wise to wait and see if we get funded for any of these projects before kind of outlining
what kind of community input would be helpful.
14:29:10 Or you know is that something that can get started sooner so that we have open form of communication and I know some of that is happening organically but to kind of formalize
and demonstrate our commitment to this.
14:29:25 If I could just mention that there's a then the next and first in a Long while those Welsh River collaborative meeting is on the 20 sixth at 9 a.
14:29:38 M. And it's really intended to be helpful and advisory to the health. Projects but it's also meant to be kind of a watershed forum until there's something better or more specific
to what Brent is discussing.
14:29:52 So I just wondered what it would be okay if we have a placeholder for, you know. Obviously questions about.
14:29:59 Well, just anything really and we can at least have a parking lot and and keep work towards transparency that people are.
14:30:08 Are seeking to the degree they don't have it. So creating a landing page now is that what you're saying?
14:30:19 Yeah, just during, like this is just an hour long meeting coming up on the 20 sixth we'll talk about meeting frequency and duration and that sort of thing could be fourth Wednesdays
for 2Â h.
14:30:25 Okay. And what the standing items would be maybe would include, you know, specific headings, you know, topics like the sewer or the RVC boundary or whatever you know that's
what the 26 is about is deciding in addition to what I have to have accomplished through those meetings.
14:30:45 What else would the community want to talk about until you're up and running or maybe it would flow naturally that youRC meetings would flow naturally into.
14:30:51 The other grant programs. Sounds logical. And I would say there's been a lot of interface too already.
14:30:58 I mean, I know I'm going to the sewer meeting tonight and that you know Amanda Christopherson from Environmental Public Health has been to them in the past as well as PUD staff.
14:31:06 So I think. You know, I mean, we're, it's a sticky wicked for sure, but, where you've got staff involvement right now and I think having a place to start assembling some information
and getting a vision together is great.
14:31:19 Just as an example, folks, what if when request or desire would be to have a crossing of Highway 100, and one.
14:31:29 You know, it's wonderful to identify these sorts of things. And if we get so far as, you know, serious design in the Bryn and if we get so far as, you know, serious design in
the Brennan flats, we want it.
14:31:37 Be able to incorporate these ideas sooner than later and make them safe and wonderful and not a last minute add-on. And make them safe and wonderful and not a last minute add
on. So.
14:31:57 And even going for a different grant for a crosswalk on really important. So that's great.
14:31:58 And I wanna thank Tammy to you. I'm looking at the TV tonight at the community center.
14:32:03 You've been really, Pro active in making sure that we can make virtual meetings work down there at the community center with the kind of struggling internet and we're working
on that problem but I really appreciate your efforts for you know not just transparency but bandwidth.
14:32:17 Jeremy at the community centre do I have to call him? Oh yeah and Jeremy as well and without I'll read Jeremy's note.
14:32:23 He did put a note in the in the in the chat. Jeremy says I'm all up for any info for our community to get flood insurance quotes are over $2,000 a year.
14:32:36 This makes some families not able to afford this cost. So yeah, it's not cheap.
14:32:43 Related question but different watershed obviously but you know, the Ducka Bush project did get a significant chunk of funding and some kind of clarification from the Army Corps.
14:32:59 So it just sounds like that project is on track to. Finish complete design what in the next year and construction over the next couple of years.
14:33:08 And I know that's a largely a good canal 7 enhancement group and washdot project, but.
14:33:15 Do we, but again, say similar in like it will largely impact the Brandon community. And folks driving through obviously but is I don't know I just wonder if there's any opportunity
to like also, or is there a need for more community outreach on that project or do we feel like HC Seg is
14:33:36 doing that sufficiently and Just like in our mind we think of separate projects. But you know folks who live down there see oh another project government's involved with and
you know, way to just go to more meetings and track more.
14:33:51 Project updates or is there an opportunity to kind of, you know, combine some of those impacts?
14:33:58 To address them. I think Seth is planning another meeting with Balhorn at. Tammy and I went down to meet some concerned residents with just that sort of issue out on Robinson
Road and Seth was talk about that I think 65% design which includes most of the modeling will be done so they'll
14:34:16 have another workshop in the fall. Is what they're planning to go over that 65% design.
14:34:20 And I think Army Corps of Engineers and Watchdog are kind of taking responsibility for the road and you know HCAG with that what 14 million dollars is really taking care of
the kind of the waterway basically, the restoration.
14:34:34 So it's great to have other partners kind of I think willing to do the road. So that's moving forward.
14:34:40 And they're all conflated in people's minds, I think. You know, you can talk about going down into the community. Yeah, you know, you can talk about going down into the community.
14:34:54 I think in BRC. Yeah, you know, you can talk about going down into the community.
14:34:55 I think in BRC. Yeah, you know, you can talk about going down into the community.
14:34:57 I think in Brandon, especially it's important to be down Tammy's demonstrated a lot of willingness to do that and I think you know make it so we can get a hybrid meeting so
you can get washed out Army Corps of Engineer and everything to a meeting in Brennan without them having to leave
14:35:06 wherever their office is is a really critical juncture. So appreciate Jeremy. Kevin, folks.
14:35:13 I would also point out that one of the recommendations that we have came from our retreat with the Planning Commission.
14:35:23 And this goes to the heart of what the community member Shelley stated, how do we increase transparency?
14:35:31 So we did reach out to the planning commission, which are the 9 volunteers that the board has appointed to identify how we can improve the level of knowledge and transparency
of what we're doing.
14:35:45 And one of the recommendations that resonates with me particularly is that given what Jeremy said about flood insurance being prohibitive is that a lot of community members
are working sometimes more than one job.
14:36:01 To make ends meet and that the planning commission recommended that we identify all of the upcoming community events in at those community events where people are gathering,
that's where we should do our outreach.
14:36:14 So that there's an opportunity for us to go where the people are as and and as opposed to us asking persons to come to an additional event.
14:36:24 Right. That was a good idea. I remember that.
14:36:30 So I think that's one of the approaches that we will take and to address all the concerns that were identified.
14:36:36 So do you have a list of those events or meetings or? Well, and I believe that that is in the notes of the Planning Commission.
14:36:44 We asked them to identify some and I just know the Shrimp Fest off the top of my head because that's fjord fast. That thank you.
14:36:53 Thank you for the lack of shrimp I remember, yes. And so there was a list and also the food bank was one of the places and I've done that before in another job because that
we want to make sure that we're getting all of our job because that we want to make sure that we're getting all of
14:37:10 the different ranges of incomes involved in planning. That those that are at the lowest end of the scale often have the least ability to participate.
14:37:19 And so going to where they are is a good way to ensure that. Food banks very interested though.
14:37:24 I know they're looking at other properties in the downtown core right in that flood plain on the steward area looking to build a bespoke food pantry in Brennan as well.
14:37:35 So it's they should definitely be at the table. Okay, well, I will make one last call for public comments.
14:37:44 Anyone that's with us like to comment on this item you can click raise hand
14:37:50 And. Yes, that's scheduled right now for December, the fourteenth. But that's the date that they're going to come to the office.
14:38:03 They sometimes have a special meeting with the chair of the board. And so I don't and they usually send the letter in advance my red collection but things change.
14:38:16 Things do change so that's how they've done it in the past. I'm not sure if it's gonna be consistent.
14:38:22 No vacation for you, no vacation for me now. All right. Well, Brent, Tammy, thank you so much for being here and for the work and for the partnerships.
14:38:34 And we do have a recommendation and that was the accent component of it is I believe that there is there's been some support for what we're doing and I've also seen that in
our past study that some of what we will do when I say the past study the 2,008 dosi wallops comprehensive flood hazard
14:38:55 management plan identified that some of the types of tasks that we would undertake. And so that was supported by a panel.
14:39:03 So I believe that there is evidence. I think you've heard some of this. This morning from, I believe it was Mr. Schwartz.
14:39:10 Was that correct? From Lazy Sea. that, Mr. Beish, thank you.
14:39:19 Mr. Byes from Lazy Seed and so I think given that there is support, you also have another opportunity.
14:39:28 Meaning that if we are successful and I want to point out that this first grant is a competitive grant.
14:39:33 But you don't have to accept it. Right. So you're looking for us to authorize applying for the surfboard grant and the Department of And I think I'm generally Don't have to
take action on grant applications, but is there any benefit to that do you need authority?
14:39:55 Hi, I have a form. But it's a resolution to bring forward before the end of the month.
14:40:02 Okay, great. Would you need any action for the ecology? That we're looking at the competitive shoreline grant, correct?
14:40:13 And, and typically, and I, and I do appreciate that. We came before the board just to for the, you know, the transparency purpose.
14:40:21 It's not necessary for us to come here, but we felt that it was the best practice to share this and allow the community to hear what we're doing.
14:40:29 I think we basically feel make it so. Yeah, and they've already applied for the competitive shoreline planning, right?
14:40:43 No, that's the one that we'll be applying for. So that we're setting up success for the larger grant.
14:41:08 Which would include engineering and potentially some funding. And I will investigate, is there an opportunity for flood insurance to be provided funds for a low-income property
owners.
14:41:23 That's one of the things we could look at as well. It could be a Okay, great.
14:41:32 I think that makes a lot of sense based on what Jeremy wrote in his. Comments. Of this this fall.
14:41:50 And the Pewton Partnership Leadership Council is gonna be coming to a hood canal, you know, coordinating council is hosting.
14:41:58 We haven't decided what where exactly we're going to visit, could include either. So, we'll loop you in.
14:42:07 Great, exciting. All right. Okay, thank you. Make it so.
14:42:13 Bring us the money!
14:42:20 Okay. I think that takes us through that. A agenda item. And to the end of our agenda too, that we haven't we haven't done calendaring yet.
14:42:30 I'm not sure if we even finish briefing. I don't know. Mark, did you have anything from last week you wanted to report.
14:42:35 Well, I had a short week. I took Monday and then of course Tuesday was a holiday.
14:42:40 All my calendar up here.
14:42:46 Mostly administrators stuff, nothing. Never get on Wednesday. Met with Josh Peters, you know, my routine meeting.
14:42:58 We had a special risk management meeting, with risk management committee and then I. Was it on the Fourth of July debrief that Hiding engineered?
14:43:10 And then on Thursday, I met with with Brent and Josh. Because a Brent's role is the chief strategy officer.
14:43:20 We need to make sure that we're synchronizing his efforts with a larger department. So that was Josh and Brent and and myself.
14:43:27 Seems to be working quite well. And that, later I met with one on one and then of course agenda planning with you, Greg.
14:43:36 1 30. And then, Friday, to the lunch and thanks for her work on.
14:43:45 Elected bargaining and then met with There in the afternoon to discuss upcoming negotiations with sheriffs have been.
14:43:58 That's a bargaining unit of 3 people. That'll be interesting. Yeah. So when I at 20'clock we met with Matt Tyler, And, a Brenda hunting for to talk about.
14:44:10 The recent rash of thefts of camp fees. Oh, I don't know if you might know. I heard it once or twice.
14:44:20 I didn't know it was somebody got real clever a device that had a clamp you know a little gripper on the end and they just went right in the camera and so they would insert
it and they would lift the envelopes out.
14:44:32 The check in the envelope thrown on the ground if it was cash it went into a person's pocket.
14:44:38 A camera was put in. And we apprehended the corporate. Okay. And then the theft stopped.
14:44:49 He was let out of our local jail and the theft resumed.
14:44:55 Could be a little and Andy Bernstein are volunteering to make some modifications to the. To the cash deposit boxes.
14:45:05 The first modification was not successful. But he then got one of those little devices with the grippy grabber on the end and made a slit that was smaller than that.
14:45:18 And so we believe we've modified the 8 boxes sufficiently so that those steps will. Not resume.
14:45:24 But they're in the discussion. We talked about, maybe putting QR codes on the boxes and yeah, adapting a online tool that we already have or maybe so that as you come to the
campground you scan the QR code.
14:45:42 You plug in the camping slip that you want and then you pay through that application, right? Eliminating checks, eliminating cash.
14:45:50 Would then eliminate the need for someone to go retrieve the items and make the deposit. In the treasures all makes a lot of sense.
14:46:00 So that was a good meeting and I think what Matt's agreed to do is and will see into a pilot.
14:46:05 See if it works. As it does, then maybe proliferated to the other kinggrounds.
14:46:11 Sounds like the rash of farmers. Farm sandboxes last summer. Last summer it was all the farm sandboxes last summer.
14:46:21 Last summer it was all the farm stand boxes last summer. Last summer it was all the the farm sandboxes.
14:46:23 Yeah, yep. So, so that's, and be also a welder. Is that?
14:46:35 Andy, also a welder. Is that? Apparently we show. Wow.
14:46:41 That's an impressive skill for our Honda sheriff. So that would then, you know, that's short week.
14:46:45 Great. You wanna take a look at this week? Sure. Okay, all day with the board and the pleasure it is.
14:46:53 Let's see. Suck up with the best of them. Tomorrow morning, I'm meeting with Judy to talk about the budget objectives and procedures resolution that you'll see on Monday.
14:47:07 Or before it you'll see it on Thursday actually but hopefully you'll adopt it on Monday. And then meet with Josh again my weekly and then Heidi.
14:47:19 Has been engineering a discussion regarding the Chima drainage district that's part of been inert for.
14:47:28 Yeah, that's born. Apparently we have to have a public hearing on one September or by one September or by one September to determine whether to inactivate.
14:47:45 We have to have a public hearing on one September or by one September to determine whether to inactivate, that drainage district Every year.
14:47:52 Yeah, the notice that the auditor would provide to the board's office never said we had to have a public hearing.
14:47:53 But Queen, yeah, she sent us the notice and sure enough. And so that triggered some action.
14:48:00 We have a facilitator on contract. And we're having a meeting on the eleventh. Tomorrow.
14:48:08 To discuss that in a plan of action. The port and landholders over there. And yeah, so we're kind of.
14:48:22 Bringing the scope a little bit. I invited Christy Kistler. Doing a lot of outreach with farmers and our neighbors in the valley.
14:48:29 So yeah, we're having a larger table to discuss the range district tomorrow. So good process and thanks to Heidi for.
14:48:39 Electricity on that. And then I donate blood over the lunch hour and then an abbreviated 18 meeting and then I'm gonna make it Kate to this financing meeting for healthier together.
14:48:53 I want to physically be in the room. I will not be at the BHAC meeting though I would like to watch the recording.
14:48:59 Afterwards, cause I think it might be an interesting.
14:49:05 No, Wednesday, busy, busy day meeting with Kate and Phil Hunsucker in the morning to talk about.
14:49:11 Is fairgrounds agreement of a lot of risk management issues associated with that agreement. And then our strategic plan.
14:49:20 Core team is gonna meet to review the agenda for Monday the seventeenth when commissioners you'll to be looking at the plan.
14:49:29 And hopefully giving us guidance. Anything you wanna modify or you can validate it and we can adopt it.
14:49:38 We'll see on Monday the seventeenth.
14:49:42 Then, there's a 2Â h childcare family support meeting with, Services and Healthcare and the Y.M.C.A.
14:49:52 In the afternoon. The thirteenth Jeff Com, Matt Stewart's first. Jeffcom, 9 1 1.
14:50:00 Meeting as director of. And first thing he does is change the meeting time. He's already having, he did a doodle pull first.
14:50:14 Oh, right. Then agenda planning at 1 30 with Greg and then physical therapy. That afternoon and then I'm going on Friday as you will know.
14:50:28 And Maple Valley. And you're gonna attend. Stay here overnight at that office at 9 am in the morning on my way to Maple Valley.
14:50:47 So that's gonna work out. Thank you.
14:50:49 All right, who wants to look? Okay, let's take a coming week. Yes.
14:50:56 Tomorrow morning. I will. Be in another jurisdiction my husband finally getting sworn in officially. I'll see.
14:51:12 You know, a lot of office tomorrow morning. I will be pinning him with this city council and the mayor of Seattle morning.
14:51:16 I will be pinning him with this city council and the mayor of Seattle. Wow. And it was like 2 and a half years.
14:51:22 Yeah, yeah, we think we'll be pinning him. City Council and the Mayor of Seattle. It was like 2 and a half years. Yeah, yeah, we think. Yeah.
14:51:30 Then I have a maritime Washington advisory board meeting that I will attend virtually on my way back here.
14:51:34 Then I have a maritime Washington advisory board meeting that I will attend virtually on my way back here to then attend a healthier together aquatic center financing financing
options to run by the public and people like you like us.
14:51:44 Then Wednesday, like Mark said, meeting with Hunsucker at a number of fairgrounds.
14:51:48 Topics. Couple of calls with constituents that day, also the child care. Multiparty meeting.
14:51:57 Then I have a meeting with regarding the bylaws which are considering changing to accommodate concerns of some other counties.
14:52:07 And then virtual meeting of the healthier together public open house Wednesday night. Thursday, have a Olympic workforce development council meeting.
14:52:18 It's the only thing I have that day of course except to conflicting meetings at the exact same time.
14:52:23 So thanks to Mark for attending one so I could do the fairgrounds meeting that night. Currently don't have anything on friday so might take advantage of a 3 day weekend but
we'll see I did wanted to say the following week then, I start being out a lot on medical appointments.
14:52:42 So, I'll be. Just in and out and try to talk with staff about how I'm gonna kind of keep them in the loop and, you know, through probably it will probably require some lot of
communication with them.
14:52:56 Easier than you know I'm trying to communicate with you but Mark I'll try to keep you in the loop too.
14:53:00 I'm certainly blocking out days when I am not going to be here and my plan is to work virtually.
14:53:07 When I can when I'm out, but. Just kind of.
14:53:12 Clear how doable that's gonna be or what I'm gonna be able to attend or not.
14:53:17 So mostly tell him my boards and such that I'll be out a lot the next few months and we'll jump in when I can, but.
14:53:24 You know, if there's important business to attend to, I'll certainly try to hand that off or please do stay on top of what I can and hand off what I don't think I'll be able
to, but that so that starts next week.
14:53:35 Big week. Simon's team, what you need, you just wanna. Well, I wonder, like I do know we have an appointment the morning of the budget meeting again and so I wonder like I do
know we have an appointment the morning of the budget meeting again and so I was like oh I'm gonna have to, like I do know we have an appointment the morning of the budget meeting again.
14:54:02 And so I was like, oh, I'm gonna have and then I can, you know, attend.
14:54:03 As I enable but you know I might be sitting in a waiting room and it's less conducive to taking notes that just being able to at least that not and find doing that.
14:54:13 Great. Thank you.
14:54:16 Okay. Yes. Alright, good luck. Okay, you want me to go?
14:54:24 Let's see.
14:54:26 This week. Tomorrow morning we have the meeting we are just talking about with stakeholders in the Chinatown Drainage District.
14:54:36 In the afternoon we have the behavioral advisory committee which is now a BOCC special meeting Greg and I.
14:54:44 On Wednesday morning we have our check in weekly check-in with our strategic planning consultants. And then I have a meeting immediately after that with the Olympic Peninsula
Tourism.
14:54:56 Strategic planning. Oh, how's that going? It's going good. We're doing our.
14:55:01 Focus groups now with different segments of the community. So. And then Wednesday evening, Olympic discovery trail board meeting.
14:55:14 Pacific Trials Coalition. Don't have meetings Thursday or Friday and I also I have 2.
14:55:20 What are they called? Yeah, big birthdays. Milestone, milestone birthdays to.
14:55:26 Participate in this weekend. Dear friend is turning 60 and a dear friend is turning 80. So I'm probably gonna be on Friday helping get ready for those.
14:55:37 But I wanted to look forward a little bit further.
14:55:43 Cause the following week I am. That's the week. That's 17 to 21. Out part.
14:55:53 Yeah, I'm out part of the week. At the NACO conference and so on the twentieth.
14:55:59 There is the import of health meeting and I am. Gonna need to be tentative for that. Okay, we'll be there. I will be there.
14:56:07 Okay, great. Are you gonna miss the community outreach meeting on Wednesday? I'm gonna drive to the airport after that meeting.
14:56:17 Yeah. Taking advantage of the hotel room I want. Oh, well when I at the LOSE at conference, the year I want a hotel room and then I'm like, I'll use it when I have to fly somewhere.
14:56:32 And I'm like, well, at least I have a bed to sleep and when I arrived there at 110'clock at night, that is work travel. I don't know.
14:56:44 That is work travel. I don't know. But I was, I, my lodging and, Austin ended up being a little bit more because I went to the house.
14:56:48 Second, anyway, long story short, I am happy to do it and I can't imagine any other time I'm gonna want to go to Bryan. So, okay, let's see.
14:57:02 And then, 20 first. Is the Olympic Coast Sanctuary meeting. And I will not be able to attend that even virtually because I'm gonna be in a public land steering committee meeting
and So it's.
14:57:13 At Pacific Beach. Can you once a summer? Or it's you can also attend virtually if either of you want to attend the sanctuary meeting it's from 10 to one.
14:57:23 The reason I was glad to hand that office is I always have a conflicting meeting. And I do that day.
14:57:33 It's a quarterly. That's always the exact same time. Okay.
14:57:40 And then.
14:57:44 On the 20 fourth. On the 20 fourth for the agenda. This gets into agenda plan stuff.
14:57:54 I don't know if there's room on the agenda. I'm saying this loud, but for Carolyn to hear it too.
14:57:59 Peter would like to come and do a presentation on a potential Debbie naturalary boundary expansion to us.
14:58:06 Okay. And we're gonna request a letter for us from us. And we're gonna request a letter for us from us to DNR in support of that boundary expansion.
14:58:17 It's the one that he's teased in a couple of us as other presentations. He just wants to focus on that.
14:58:18 So. That would be like a workshop on the 20 fourth. Probably half an hour. Later afternoon probably.
14:58:32 For that. I won't be here on the 20 fourth.
14:58:37 We'll be here on the 20 fourth. No, that's the day I was not gonna be here.
14:58:48 And that's new that, you guys have talked about having just the morning session with it.
14:58:52 Talk opioid settlement in the afternoon too. So I thought that was interesting. I thought that was a 26 too, but.
14:59:02 But the 20 sixth is a Wednesday. So I was. And talked to Apple over lunch when I was.
14:59:06 Keep talking about it as a 26, but obviously it's not.
14:59:13 I'd rather that we are all here though, I guess. Well, II cannot. I can tell Peter that we can't do it on the 20 fourth.
14:59:21 The next meeting on the 30 first.
14:59:29 The morning. So, The next regular meeting would be next week. Oh, I don't, I'm gonna.
14:59:44 This is good that we're doing this. Yeah, this one can't, mine can't be next week because apples I think out on the seventeenth.
15:00:04 I mean, we don't have a lot next week, right? On the seventeenth? Well, there's a couple of some things that get moved.
15:00:12 Exactly session. It's gonna be at 1 30. A couple of them in the afternoon.
15:00:17 Morning session there's 3 agenda the establishing And, I.
15:00:37 Is that I'm sorry. Talking about recompute. I think Monday is pretty. The 7, how about the seventh?
15:00:52 The 7 4 for Peter. Okay, so we have another thing on the seventh then. Glad we got the 7.
15:01:03 Okay. Mike Gaffney would like to come and introduce our new WSU extension director.
15:01:07 Of course. Ahmet Sharma. Should try our first open public meeting at a lunch place.
15:01:16 Take, we'll take, we'll face time down to, He starts on what one August?
15:01:22 Who wants to introduce? Oh, wants to come here and introduce them. So that's what 2 years.
15:01:32 Bragging about the speed of the process. Okay. That was the end of my. So I'll tell Peter.
15:01:51 I don't know what I should do about the.
15:01:58 What is the topic for Peter's family? They have the natural area boundary expansion. Proposal.
15:02:13 You can be with us virtually on the morning of the 20 fourth or you're not with us at all.
15:02:17 Hi.
15:02:22 I arranged that a long time ago. Like my calendar has that much nuanced to it.
15:02:30 Alright, well I'll wait. And we'll we'll have a final time for that.
15:02:36 Workshop by by next week. Can't be next week. Okay. Thank you.
15:02:50 And I think I'm gonna. On the 20 fourth.
15:02:58 I'm gonna be less available in the afternoon. Where I think we already agreed that we're just doing the morning.
15:03:08 So that's why I don't I'm not gonna book it the time I was planning tomorrow when Heidi and I can discuss it whether or not it's something that we can do still in the morning
or Okay, great.
15:03:22 She won't be here though. Right. It'll just be you and I and I will be ritual.
15:03:26 You'll be alone up here. Oh, that's weird. Just to bring a chase lounge in.
15:03:34 That's the whole dias. You could be ritual too. Okay. So I guess that's the end of your calendar.
15:03:49 Any other? Although the last thing I had was. We did get a request from NRDC.
15:03:59 For yeah a reading. Dual coordination. Is that the same? Yeah, so I, yeah, I do.
15:04:08 I have a recompete and circle down here. So that's something I gotta talk a little more with you guys about.
15:04:13 So I answer, I responded to the doodle poll. With my limited availability and said that if If I wasn't able to attend that I would see if one of you could attend.
15:04:24 And Karen emailed back saying. Great. And do we wanna think about having another? Commissioner be in the loop on recompute since I'm gonna be gone during much of the critical
time or is that applications do October fifth. Yeah, yeah, make sense.
15:04:54 So, you know, I think maybe depending on next week or meeting next week goes, we'll What are the ideas?
15:04:55 I mean Don't it's not tidal power is it? I want it to be titled.
15:04:58 This is probably a little piece of it. Cause, PNN is very interested in being a part of this and that is.
15:05:06 Issue that they are working on. They would like to. What's the lab?
15:05:16 So they're actually energy security has a small grant with them working on small offshore and has a small grant with them working on small offshore. And it's for micro-grid.
15:05:26 Kind of resilience. So that could be part of it, but you know, everything really is be tied to, workforce development for prime age employment.
15:05:37 So, you know, Klein has this very specific vision. Natural resource innovation center.
15:05:44 So they're gonna kind of run with that. We need to, you know, decide if we want to do.
15:05:48 Something similar more likely around maritime. And some centers expressing interest in help. The boat school has interested electrification maritime systems Yeah, exactly.
15:06:03 So I think there's a number of maritime interests that could be. Become the Jefferson portion of this but then there's also this whole you know, ability to do housing and child
care and.
15:06:17 Substance use disorder treatment. I mean you can really do anything with this like you identify what are the barriers to prime age employment in your community?
15:06:25 And then. Use these on top. Yeah, that wouldn't be competitive in and of itself. It has to be part of a you know a bigger package but yes that should be part of it for sure
so you know it's Luckily they've split it into these 2, you know, phase one planning.
15:06:45 Which 20 to 48. Regions will be funded between 250 and $500,000.
15:06:52 A piece and then. There will be a second phase where only those who are funded will be invited back.
15:07:00 To apply for. 4 to 8 20 to 50 million dollar. France.
15:07:08 So,
15:07:12 How, you know. In phase one, you have to write a plan for what you're thinking long term.
15:07:20 So you have to be thinking about phase 2 already. It's not a standalone planning process.
15:07:26 There's talk you'll hear next week about maybe hiring a consultant to help do this in part because there's already tension between.
15:07:33 Really NO DC and, you know, I think it would be good to have another party there to maybe.
15:07:42 Break up some of that. So it was clowning. We were talking about the tension.
15:07:47 Yeah, our ABC has, not been involved other than to feel a little bit in the middle of some.
15:07:54 2 of their most important economic development partners.
15:08:00 So. Yeah, it's kind of a little update where we are, but. Probably would be wise maybe depending on what direction we end up going and see if one of you is available to help
shepherds out and I am I'm sorry.
15:08:14 Not be able to be more involved. Yeah. I mean the timing is just exactly what I'll be gone.
15:08:22 Okay. So that meeting that I was asking about it so one of us. So that meeting that I was asking about and so one of us to attend.
15:08:33 Well, I was asking about it. So one of us to attend. Well, I don't have to.
15:08:38 Yeah, so I don't have That's it. I would love to be involved for a little while just because I've been.
15:08:44 You know, share the NDC and around the EDC. It would be nice to have some continuity and getting us to kind of the starting point of this regional effort.
15:08:54 Yeah, we have a good time.
15:09:00 All right. Related to this, is, Do, have we set up a workshop for talking about, lobbyists, different lobbying?
15:09:17 Conversations we need to have yeah I could ask for a workshop at Noah. Right, I don't think we set it up yet.
15:09:27 I don't. Okay. I don't know if it's. Is there a timing concern here?
15:09:40 Yeah, yeah, we should and maybe we just need I don't remember if I did a refresher a couple of weeks ago that You know, we in a support Ebc's.
15:09:47 The financial stressors we took over. Paying for. Jefferson's portion of the Nola contract last year.
15:09:57 The 1,000 of them? Bit more than that I think. 1,000 a month's 12. So, you know that.
15:10:13 Things the question do we want to do that again and you know it's like oh was our intention to do that once or to do that every year.
15:10:19 Is the contract as large when it's not a biennial? Good question. Yeah.
15:10:26 Yeah, I don't think I think that's kind of the smallest. Contracts we can do as it is it feels really small and like It's a small contract for the Lobbyists.
15:10:40 How much, That's all that pays for it. Yeah, so it's probably 24,000.
15:10:49 I think Colin pays more. We pay a smaller amount, smaller population. Maybe we, I don't know, like we pay 10 and maybe 20.
15:10:58 Yeah. I have.
15:11:03 You know there's a little I'll admit to my own frustration that that the recompete process hasn't gone better.
15:11:13 It's made me, I feel like I've lost a little bit of faith and. Working. Yeah, yep.
15:11:22 And so I've wondered if we wanna maybe see how it goes next week and then decide what our participation is gonna be.
15:11:28 You know, I don't want to withhold or be petty, but it, you know, we do.
15:11:35 There's some difference in vision and style. With cloud and so. You know, would we be better off putting that into other lobbying efforts or Yeah, we do need to think about
our larger lobbying needs.
15:11:50 Longer term which will be talking about it this fall. So I don't know. I'm a little torn and on the fence.
15:12:00 I think Nola would like to know if what our involvement is gonna be. I think we could probably put them off another week or 2, see how next week goes.
15:12:08 Does EVC get much value from They didn't really engage. I was the designated rep from this kind of EDC and county, Colleen Maclay and I end up being the 2 kind of lead.
15:12:25 Working with the lobbyists. What's that? So EDC was less involved but you know I think they felt their interests are being looked after.
15:12:41 But, so Nola is Josh set out a doodle poll last week just starting the process of getting another meeting together.
15:12:51 So that'll probably take a few weeks to happen. You know, so I think we have some time if we wanted to wait and see how it goes with 3 compete before we decide one way or the
other or because we could be really I mean if we could find something to align on it would make a total sense to keep Nola going focused
15:13:07 on. Right, I'm in the state. Well, there's not really a legislative overlap.
15:13:14 So, you know, like I said, I'm fully aware that I am conflating those 2 in my mind and my frustration which maybe isn't fair that I am conflating those 2 in my mind and my frustration,
which maybe isn't fair, but it is a bit of leverage.
15:13:25 Really, it's we need to.
15:13:31 Convince column EDC to. Broaden their vision. So right now they have a pretty narrow vision for recomputes.
15:13:41 Which we think is super valuable. But in order to be competitive for Recompete, you have to be regional and Very, broad based collaborative and I think there's this too narrow
and what is this?
15:13:57 So it's natural resource innovation center. It's industry based. They, they're really focusing on industry based like they want.
15:14:06 Private business to be the drivers. In forestry, forest products. Waste solid waste, Anyways?
15:14:17 Isn't there some kind of and a little bit or die some kind of digestive function. I don't know.
15:14:22 Of that anaerobic digestor. yeah, I was talking about that.
15:14:34 It might be a solution for the waste disposal issues. I've not heard that piece of it, but I think it's it is both kind of you know what products could we innovate a forest
products could be made on the peninsula of what waste products does the industry.
15:15:00 Create that then could be used in another form. And what infrastructure do we need to make the forest products industry more successful.
15:15:11 So I think all things we could easily get behind. But it's the NODC feels like it's too narrow vision to be competitive that it would not.
15:15:22 Satisfy Kilver's office who's very invested in this, nor the EDA.
15:15:28 And so we are really asking them to broaden the scope and come under one umbrella.
15:15:33 And there's a sense that they've been reluctant to do that so my conflation of Noah is saying what leverage do we have to say, hey, we need to work together as a region.
15:15:45 And
15:15:47 So if you're all right, was putting it off for a couple of weeks maybe to see how it goes next week and then we'll.
15:15:56 I have to think about whether we wanna budget for that expense again. What's the oversight that the, county has over their that, is it just similar to party or 4 party agreement
with Pd and that Porsche and But similar, they're independent nonprofit with a board and which the county sits on.
15:16:18 You know, there's Awesome. there's an arm's length relationship that jurisdictions have to have with BBC's in order for them to not be government entities.
15:16:29 So they're similar. They've been a lot more. Like they have the credentials business association, the screen chamber.
15:16:36 They have a lot more economic development interests. And so the EDC is definitely the biggest and successful.
15:16:45 I mean, Colleen's great at getting money and, so. You know, I think the County doesn't have.
15:16:56 You know a lot of say but it's very influential and they do dedicate a fair amount of their what we call, to the EDC, major funder.
15:17:08 So. That's partly why the will meet with their parties to be like, hey, we have a vested interest here.
15:17:20 And so our EDC and the NO DC and Pyongyang EDC will all be at next.
15:17:27 Oh, great. Okay.
15:17:30 Are we gonna have I haven't seen the whole we can be no no problem. Oh sorry did I let's say maybe you sent that, but could you send that on through the
15:17:47 Yeah, I did send it to Mark. I think he was gonna send it. So you should look.
15:17:50 Or link to the. Web page.
15:18:06 It's not linked here. Oh, it is. It's LinkedIn that or email we got from Lauren Lesser on the seventh.
15:18:14 Okay.
15:18:23 Information only email but also has a link to them. Website. Oh, okay.
15:18:35 She says that. Their commissioners will plan on attending virtually from their boardroom. Yeah, the works I do.
15:18:43 Yeah, fair enough.
15:18:51 I might be virtual next week also, but I can also try and be back for the afternoon session.
15:19:03 Did you have? The we did the strategies 3 60 contract update and consent last week I believe.
15:19:17 And do you know if that gets sent off to strategies? I know that something Julie does. And she's not here to ask.
15:19:33 Nobody's baby in particular. Okay, I'll send an 80 or a note to see if she can.
15:19:39 Okay, thank you. And then,
15:19:45 At some point I think we should do a letter to the Port Campbell-squalim tribe.
15:19:54 Yeah, honoring Jeremy's passing. I also don't think there's a rush on that.
15:19:59 It might be nice to find out if there's when the service is scheduled and, you know, figure out if it was.
15:20:06 Yeah. Quite sure there will be.
15:20:12 I have learned that there is no Russia on these that tribes have a long morning period at which it's appropriate and expressions come later, not immediately, but so.
15:20:29 I don't know, does anyone have any particular? Can you know how we might wanna?
15:20:35 Reach out other than just a letter from our board. Happy to go. Sometimes it's good not to rush.
15:20:43 I thought I was a slightly different topic. It was literally ghosted last week when I was waiting back for an email and then heard from someone else that this person passed
away and I was gonna Give a big lament for them this morning and I totally forgot to do it and then at lunchtime I got an email back Oh my
15:21:03 god. Good to wait. Wow. Yeah, no.
15:21:10 2 champions in the conservation world passed away last week with Ron Schultz also, conservation commission that's huge, both young and both our age.
15:21:23 That's yeah. Take anything for granted.
15:21:31 Yeah. I don't know. I don't know how you figure out what the best thing to do.
15:21:39 Okay, well maybe we just keep in touch about it. Next we have an opportunity. I feel like a phone letter from this is the thing that I know I know it's although I mean they
do appreciate formality of you know government to government but
15:21:56 I, yeah, I like I don't think they have a point at the interim share yet.
15:22:01 Probably the vice-chair, but I'm not actually sure who that is.
15:22:11 In. Yeah, like I knew Kirk Granel much. No, I didn't personally.
15:22:20 And so that felt a little bit. I knew how to kind of reach out in meaningful ways.
15:22:24 And I get a little more removed and I work very closely with Jeremy for many years. I don't feel as, familiar with the port gamble, travel council.
15:22:34 Jamestown, so.
15:22:39 Do you remember calling Dr. Lock? And say asking him his advice on how we.
15:22:46 Reached out to Jamestown so Jeremy Corbyn Sullivan was a, He was here?
15:23:00 Yeah, for a long time. 2. Was always confusing when David Sullivan was our chair.
15:23:08 It's sharing the chairman's
15:23:17 Hey, Kate, we haven't signed back from. Strategies 3600, work.
15:23:29 Can we, think about the what we pulled from consent agenda earlier? So I heard back from Al and can I just make a motion?
15:23:40 Good. I move that we a point. Stephen, chap, DAY, to the Solvice Advisory Committee.
15:23:53 You have to call him that every time you see him, whether it's how you pronounce his name or not though.
15:23:54 I don't know.
15:23:58 Stephen CHAP PUIS to the solid waste advisory committee for an uninspired term.
15:24:06 And October 1220 23 as the district. To citizen representatives. 1Â s. Okay.
15:24:15 Yeah, well, I mean, it was already on our agenda earlier. I'll take up.
15:24:23 Does anyone have any public comment on the appointment of a Stephen Chapwa? No, it's not that's not it.
15:24:34 To the solid waste advisory committee. So by raising your hands.
15:24:39 Yeah, my son how to pronounce it. Oh, I'm still calling for public comment. I was saying in public coming. Yeah, I mean really the only public sharing anything to say sharing
Schultz.
15:24:53 It's the only person okay, I'll close public comments. All in favor of the motion on the floor, I will point Stephen to the solid waste advisory committee indicate by saying
aye.
15:25:04 Aye. Stephen to the solid waste advisory committee indicate by saying aye. Aye.
15:25:12 Okay, what else? I guess I haven't gone over my. My week yet. That's okay.
15:25:20 Wanna take these are important stuff to take care of. I don't think I have anything to press in that I need.
15:25:25 Interaction on. Let's see. I'm going to the sewer group meeting tonight at 6 pm so Great.
15:25:33 That's in Brennan. They kind of just the community driven, to a group.
15:25:40 Tomorrow I'm meeting with Mr. Novelli from Discovery Behavioral Health.
15:25:45 Doctors appointments. My first germatologist appointment actually. My mom was like, you gotta find out.
15:25:55 You gotta get rheumatoid arthritis. And I'm like, oh, but okay.
15:26:00 Yeah, well. If he says. Good. I don't know what it gets worse. It gets worse.
15:26:13 That's like, yes, And then I guess I will be going to the B joining the behavioral health advisory committee with Heidi and others would be great to be back with that group.
15:26:23 It's been a little while. On Wednesday I have an orca meeting the Olympic region clean air agency I'm sure we'll It's always a fun opportunity to Stump a PhD.
15:26:35 So I asked lots of questions about our wildfire smoke and such. We have the only cat meeting tomorrow or Wednesday evening.
15:26:45 And then. I have the Wossack Broadband Advisory Committee on Thursday. Get very little from that group, but, I'll keep going for the time being.
15:26:59 Broadband advisory group. Committee. It's just you know, everyone's looking at these private solutions and it seems like no one's really working with their with the ports and
PVs that have public retail authority and it just seems I mean, just where people are, where the different agencies are, but.
15:27:20 I see that struggling with things that we were challenged with in early 2,019 and really moved past due to good partnership.
15:27:27 So. And Lincoln County, did they get the authority? I don't think so. They've been in the meetings.
15:27:36 They're still They're doing something. They're doing they've got a very, strong.
15:27:55 Open access if you build it they will come. Yeah, it's. You know, there's a lot of ways to skin a cat, but.
15:28:02 Get someone else to skin it for me if I can. And then as Mark said, we have our first Jeffcom meeting with Matt Stewart in his official role as director of Jeff Com excited
about that.
15:28:14 I don't know if it's a coincidence, but I had like 5 people complain about roadwork.
15:28:19 Never know what to do with those complaints. I got one. I'm actually on County Roads.
15:28:31 Actually on county road, you know, brush, clearing didn't happen or you know, brush-brush clearing didn't happen or you know the chip ceiling chips getting in my house you know
it's I just I don't know often where to take these very location specific complaints yeah i'm like what's wrong with the system tell me what's wrong with the system but let's try to
15:28:46 help I guess I'm sensitive because Recently I took a an issue to DCD, which is where we get most of our complaints of course and it was total smoke screen and I didn't vet it
before I took it to staff and I just felt like, oh man, I just cost an hour's worth of
15:29:04 time. Everyone running around with their hair on fire because I didn't really. Plum the question before I pass it on.
15:29:11 Just, I'm a little gunshot about that.
15:29:17 No waste any time over there right now. Agenda plan with Mark. The behavioral health consortium meeting.
15:29:24 I guess if Mark's gonna stick around and go into the, healthier together. Don't have to stay in town late.
15:29:31 And then, Friday. Don't have anything in my haircut and go into big bag, do daddy.
15:29:40 So I'll be out on Friday. Not Taylor Swift. Daley's working town. Saturday. Oh, okay. I'll be there. Oh, William.
15:29:48 Really? A Taylor's way. Sorry, I guess it's a Saturday after.
15:30:08 That's not a huge loss. I'm gonna tell her you said that.
15:30:14 I'm not I don't know the swifty. But I'm a supportive mother.
15:30:21 That's good. So that is my week. Diana crawl today, right?
15:30:36 Yeah, Diana Crawl. Yeah. What am I doing? Wendy's phone security detail.
15:30:49 Are Wendy? Yeah, Wendy's security. Yeah. Taking all the green M and M's out.
15:30:57 She's versatile. When's Wendy? Don't mess with her. Totally.
15:31:06 And I don't think I have any conflict next week.
15:31:10 I feel like the next month is gonna be a little bit of Yeah, under car ride.
15:31:20 How are we doing? This is a good question for the past week ahead of when we're doing it.
15:31:26 What kind of outreach are we doing for our community outreach meeting next week? You see the video I made?
15:31:40 Do Facebook posts to share. I mean, is there a Chimicum Facebook group?
15:31:49 Like a try area like I've heard of. 4,000 complain page. I don't know I I'm hearing this.
15:31:58 No, but there's a lot of next door. Groups and Facebook action. I don't know.
15:32:05 I mean, I'll put it on Facebook, but I just didn't know if we wanted to plan it.
15:32:08 It'd be great if we had it anywhere. It wasn't. 2 people like last time.
15:32:15 So. Yeah. Yeah, it'd be nice to see you and get some community partners.
15:32:26 Yeah, yeah, KAYlyn, do you know what we've done for community outreach on these community meetings and here's the last, I mean this year, what have we done this year?
15:32:38 What, working with Wendy and she put her on Facebook and are we from our latest news slash on our website.
15:32:42 Since the last name. So the next meeting we will do with the community centers in that area. Okay, email listening.
15:32:53 I took posters around a few place in the library and had lock and
15:32:58 Yeah, boosters.
15:33:08 I mean, I used to have to do that for live shows. Marginal return on your time investment.
15:33:16 I think Facebook will be better but if you're driving by different things. I think what we just need to do is we'll, let's do a fireworks ban.
15:33:27 On the sixteenth doesn't matter that they're illegal just ban them on the sixteenth Lots of people turn out.
15:33:37 My mom's main source of information is 3 to 4 to the library. Okay, well, put it up for Kate's mom.
15:33:44 Category. Yeah. Parents who don't do social media. In our library.
15:33:56 I'm gonna get my video with the turkey. Can I show you one more video? Sure, Stacy thought I was really bored this past week because I was I was busy.
15:34:08 Let's try this one. Off the internet because it didn't work very well off my.
15:34:17 So, my.
15:34:21 Desktop on my computer actually.
15:34:28 I don't know if you recall the I'm not sure if I've ever made you guys cringe more.
15:34:35 Oops. Then when I played the grimes grime singing my song, blocked it out.
15:34:47 This land is your land. I played the grimes grime singing my song. I blocked it out. This land is your land. The banjo. It did not involve the bandjo.
15:34:58 It did not involve the banjo this one is not with crime though.
15:35:01 So let's see. Maybe if I How can I do this more gracefully than I did last time?
15:35:10 I think just like that.
15:35:20 Yeah.
15:35:31 Over here. Share my screen share. This one.
15:35:39 This one is not with crimes though.
15:35:40 Oh, damn.
15:35:44 I didn't work.
15:35:42 So I see. Maybe if I
15:35:51 I think just like that.
15:35:48 Doing wrong here. And watering gardens desperately all the time. And there was, there was a little chick that I was supposed to take care of.
15:36:00 That, was sick when she left and it died the first day so I was like sorry I didn't I don't have to make this chicken.
15:36:09 I was like, sorry, I didn't, I don't have to make this chicken, throw up anymore.
15:36:11 And then they came back Some other check does. It happens. When I was bearing it to it, I got stung like 4 times by wasps.
15:36:21 Crimes.
15:36:25 Right, I'm gonna try one more time.
15:36:28 You guys can keep doing your email.
15:36:32 Share screen. Don't share sound.
15:36:45 What is going on? Hello? No. Well, that's what it is.
15:36:51 I just have to pause the Maybe captured I just have going in the background.
15:36:59 Sorry.
15:37:20 Hmm.
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15:40:26 Very nice. There was no way I am. No way II was a I free that particular one.
15:40:37 There was, yeah, twin. The first time I did one of those pinky was like, I didn't know you had a brother.
15:40:47 Well, thank you for indulging me. I did not play at the talent show now. Good sound. Thank you.
15:41:03 That's a high compliment. And I was just like, I just needed that activity not. It looked like a thousand people.
15:41:15 Yeah, sounds like I would have been extra. Oh man, I just love. Not passing my driveway all week long was a huge pleasure.
15:41:24 I highly recommend the state station. I was trying. I was I was living your dream. Did all the cleaning and everything.
15:41:33 Yeah, alright. Anything else we need to talk about today? I'm sure there is, but.
15:41:42 Well, we will have an opportunity that we will, so we'll all be here the seventeenth.
15:41:49 Kate will be here virtually though, right? Yeah, I plan to be here. Well, help first for sure.
15:42:01 Okay. Anything for the good of the order? And we're still planning to not meet on the 30 first even if we.
15:42:12 Or even if the 20 fourth is the 20 fourth we're planning to be here just in the morning and thank you too.
15:42:25 We don't wanna confuse people about thirty-first right. Stand down all day because it's the first time I can make it since. Okay.
15:42:37 I can't pull that for her. No, no, we don't want to do that.
15:42:39 I can join you at that. I can join you. That's the standard. No, no, we don't want to do that. I can join you.
15:42:43 That's the standard. And August seventh works the day Bob National Area expansion proposal presentation.
15:42:45 Great. And I'll come back with scheduling for that workshop. I scheduled the afternoon to the 20 fourth.
15:42:50 Okay, great. With that, we are adjourned. Everyone have a great week. Thank you.