HomeMy WebLinkAboutclosed_caption09:49:31 We're starting to put together our legislative agenda. Just to keep you up to date on the process, we had a meeting last week where we looked at all of the remaining items from
our legislative agenda from the session before and then considered some new items and.
09:49:33 Because you know we're at a biennial cycle. We consider all of the items that we did a pretty heavy lift of analysis on last year.
09:49:42 So we have about, I think there's 14 items left from last year that we did not take up.
09:49:47 That we will consider this year and then we voted up or down on a number of new items this year.
09:49:54 And the, I sent to you the Lammered Innovation concept that very, very draft, but, that was accepted as a potential for this year's legislative agenda.
09:50:05 There was some enthusiasm for it. That said, apparently the governor's office has, expressed that they have no interest in any further work with Lammers and will veto before
the work with Lammers.
09:50:20 So yeah, it's a little frustrating. I do think if we could really provide, you know, I think they're used to seeing.
09:50:35 Desired changes and l that don't align with some of their policy priorities, whereas I think we have a unique opportunity to align, some additional uses and lamar with some,
environmental.
09:50:49 Performance standards. And, you know, bringing them a different package might be, we might get to a different answer, but in any case we don't expect this to be a very fruitful.
09:51:05 Legislative session we know that there's very little additional funding to be had. Just where we are in the cycle of the biennial.
09:51:15 Session and with so many, like important elections and the major shuffling of the deck that's happening with our state lawmakers that we just expect that there it's not going
to be a great year for big action but instead of year for really laying the foundation for really laying the foundation for some longer term priorities.
09:51:36 So that's something we should think about for really laying the foundation for some longer term priorities.
09:51:39 So that's something we should think about for our own. Legislative priority is, North Olympic legislative alliance as well as WASAC.
09:51:47 So, I will continue to bring you updates from. Nola and from Wasacas.
09:51:52 I'm not that friend. I just wanna put a bug in your, Kate, but all words I'm getting are is that the septage capacity issue in the Puget Sound region is getting increasingly
worse, not better.
09:52:04 And Department of Ecology is changing their regulations around Disposal and making it further harder for jurisdictions to get rid of septage.
09:52:13 So it might be something that we want to consider elevating to the WASAC level or at least get on Nola because Pinky has gotten some updates in the last month that make me even
more concerned than I was before the last session when we almost got something through.
09:52:32 Around a septage capacity study with the Department of Ecology. So it would be. The Department of Ecology item.
09:52:45 No, it wasn't funded. That's what we're trying to get funded.
09:52:40 And in. Following up on that the study was funded, did you say? Well, Okay, okay.
09:52:51 Jamie Bon was not at the LSC meeting, unfortunately. And so that item did not come up.
09:52:59 Thanks for reminding me we should talk about one of the criteria we use in weighing our potential policy.
09:53:09 It to prioritize is whether there's another group that is more appropriate for kind of leading that issue and we have a funny relationship with Wisafo where they do have their
own.
09:53:20 Legislative agenda and yet we We kind of co-locate with them. So it's a it's a little bit tricky.
09:53:29 I'm still figuring out when we take those on versus just what software doing it, but thank you, I will.
09:53:35 I will keep that in mind.
09:53:34 Right. Well, just as long as somebody takes it on, cause the situation is just getting worse.
09:53:40 Yes, yeah, no, thank you. It's I had not thought about that. I had a state board of health meeting, which I reported on extensively at the Board of Health, our local border
health meetings.
09:53:54 So maybe I won't get into that. See we had our, Board of Health Planning meeting was sitting in and Chair Cough's absence.
09:54:05 I don't know about you, but it was, quite a wild ride, not having much email or calendar.
09:54:12 Spent a lot of time going between a paper printed calendar, my personal calendar and an online calendar and.
09:54:20 Really grateful to IT for getting that. Mostly functional now. I'm morning that we can't have our calendar all in one place.
09:54:29 Unless I don't know, Greg, have you found a workaround for how to get our outlook to come in through how to get our outlook to come in through Apple Calendar again.
09:54:37 I think that's a thing of the past.
09:54:37 Oh, I, I have been unsuccessful so far.
09:54:40 Yeah, it's really I'm just gonna take a big adjustment and some I did drop the ball on a couple of things.
09:54:54 I drop bigger balls than you drop, don't worry.
09:54:49 Kind of IT mess so I apologize. Yeah, it was that was rough. And I.
09:55:00 Glad I never tried to. I'm glad I never tried to get my calendar on icl because I just left it and Outlook.
09:55:07 Oh.
09:55:07 So I'm like, what are you talking about? I'm like, oh, I just left my calendar and outlook.
09:55:10 Wow, I see I feel like I spend probably an hour a day doing doodles, doodle polls, and now having another calendar to like consult in that is gonna push me over the edge.
09:55:18 Totally. Yeah.
09:55:22 Let's see then, went to the county fair on Friday the 12 eleventh. And yeah it was it was a great success we've not had a board meeting yet.
09:55:36 We have one this week and it'll be interesting to. You know, kind of do the, the post-OP and see what, worked, what didn't, an enormous effort.
09:55:47 I think a lot of people came out of the woodwork at the last minute to help out, which was great.
09:55:51 But ongoing, you know, year round volunteerism has dropped, but there are just a ton of people there.
09:55:58 You know with years and years of institutional knowledge about how to pull that event off and gotten really good feedback so look forward to hearing more.
09:56:09 Then. Went off to Washington DC to visit my son. Did a radio show from there and KPTZ, with the Grace Love, local musician and food vendor at Bing and someone from STG just
talking about how they decided to do thing here what They.
09:56:33 Community outreach and education they like to incorporate and the some of the benefits to our local folks too.
09:56:41 So that was fun as usual. That would do a Monday instead of a Friday just to. Work at people's availability.
09:56:46 Okay. Let a board of health and legislative steering committee work. Okay. We had our Board of Health meeting which Heidi reported on.
09:57:06 And just sorry we had to cancel our Gardener community outreach meeting, but just didn't want to contribute to the.
09:57:13 Traffic headaches and woes of. Commuters and. I think some lessons learned there and sounds like wash dot has gotten the message that having a single lane workaround for projects
like that is not gonna work.
09:57:32 I don't know why they keep disbelieving us. The projects like this have such major impacts the backups that last for hours so would be nice to connect with them at the end of
this busy construction season and say, hey, what did we learn and what, how can we do things differently next year?
09:57:51 I think that, oh, and then, yeah, mentioned went to the county picnic, yesterday.
09:57:58 And yeah, I was really impressed with the turnout. Great to see people. I actually saw people I haven't seen in a few years.
09:58:06 And you know, number of our really important community partners. So good work, everyone especially DEM and public health had a great showing among others so Great events.
09:58:22 Great. Thank you, Kate. Let's see, still plenty of time. All right, starting on the seventh I was with all of you folks.
09:58:33 Virtually. And then I had a meeting with Brent Butler and then some city staff and John Morrow after that.
09:58:41 Both talking about kind of the expanded the urban growth area idea and and Glenn Coe, which is pretty productive.
09:58:49 The high point there is with you, of course, the Jefferson Transits and then. Do hi, we had our first recompete meeting on Thursday with both Kalam and Jefferson, EDC, Mike
French, the clown and commissioner.
09:59:04 And the second one we were joined by Glenn and others from the McCa tribe as well as Joe Allen from James Ds Glowan and the Ho tribe are I believe interested as well.
09:59:17 And the first meeting, we're still kind of talking a lot about process, but have. All agreed to use the consultant and, and EDC already had under contract, Ted Stern events.
09:59:29 So, he seems like he's really capable and it's got a deep, deep resume that goes into public service, working with the government and and and in the government and he's really
added value so far.
09:59:42 And then we've talked about the the process as well. It's a very short deadline. Of course we have to get that 8 page.
09:59:49 Phase one, phase 2 application done by October fifth. So you're going to show your philosophy about.
09:59:54 My leader. Yeah. Yeah, sure. I've I've been thinking a lot about this and reading books about government efficiency and everything, and actually just on Saturday.
10:00:04 Went down I met with Ben Bauermeister as well who had reached out asking about how the ideation for the Recompete Grant was going and I told him, I guess what I'll tell you
guys now.
10:00:17 Push me in a different direction, but that. I think we should put the filters that the leaders should lead.
10:00:25 I think we have the, you know, if, instead of and this was what we often battled about at the recompete meetings was should we have a public process to get all the ideas and
then do data collection on that or should we identify strategic projects that align with the strategy, take them down a couple steps and then get public process, you know.
10:00:45 As we apply for the October fifth. Which is my argument. I think I'm on one side of the continuum.
10:00:53 Colleen is definitely on the full other side of the continuum and I think that the Jefferson, EDC is getting there, you know, there's, we talked about lots of different components
and there's lots of projects that are already proposed including you know the macaw have a really exciting project that nest with in Rick that's expanding their mill capacity and, James
Downs Squallum has a project going with Herman Brothers on creating a
10:01:20 biotech facility. I've kind of in started including and that my talking points because there was really focus on distressed areas.
10:01:30 And I think that the Brennan sewer project also, while still being kind of nebulous, nests with that infrastructure.
10:01:39 And as the Pleasant Harbor Master Plan resort develops, it's only going to become.
10:01:45 More needed to create, you know, economic vitality down there, but the diversity of economic development that will happen by in Glencoe, including potentially adding resource-based
industrial zoning to our our landscape which we don't have any would actually allow us to participate in this kind of larger Enric umbrella idea.
10:02:09 Definitely the EDCs are very focused on workforce development as being a big part of this. There was a lot of talk about childcare as being a big barrier and It is.
10:02:19 I kind of spoke against some of the projects like there was a project to build a new childcare facility in Forks and I said I feel like the pipeline is being really challenged
already with the projects going in Portangelis and port towns and and port towns and and knowing that, you know, the director of like, of the program at Peninsula College.
10:02:40 It's really, it's challenging to get the staff and the macaw. Confirm that and talking about a new child head start facility that they have that's twice the size of their old
facility that they got money to build, but there's no operation support, so they end up having the exact same capacity in their brand new facility and it's half full because they don't
have money to hire and
10:03:01 can't find teachers. So. So still kind of hashing it out. We're gonna get some criteria for choosing projects from Ted this week.
10:03:10 For our weekly meeting which is scheduled for every Friday at 2 PM. Now as we go into this everyone's really motivated to get it going.
10:03:19 I think Jefferson, EDC doesn't quite have. A project that they're motivated by is my impression so far but they're very interested in I think the workforce services which are
a real critical component to that that recompete and I've yet to see what project the whole might bring but That's kind of where we are there.
10:03:38 Cool.
10:03:42 But they've been doing a lot of work on that. Did a lot of work on this week on the RFP for the Housing Fund Board.
10:03:48 You've probably received a Kate or Will soon, but. I'm very proud that I've taken out 6.
10:03:53 Documents and turned it into one document. But there's some real challenging issues of very like all the changes in.
10:04:02 Senate bill 53 86 or substitute Senate bill 53 86 super confusing formulas and it ends up in, you know.
10:04:12 A minuscule change to the actual amount, but I think if we make some choices about just making it all.
10:04:20 53 $86 for homeless and homeless housing and make all the $1590 which are much larger now.
10:04:28 It's really inverted the funding stream. It would we can just have $1590 and and 1 $48 essentially, or I'm sorry.
10:04:38 53 $86. I'm taking out 1 48 and 1 49. I don't know.
10:04:42 So it made a lot of changes, but they're just kind of a straw man for us to work through.
10:04:47 But we will invite. Both Judy Shepherd and Brenda who was really helpful in seeing how the influx of those recording fees has changed now.
10:04:57 To explain the kind of the of the data difference that we're getting. So they'll be.
10:05:02 And you did you have to do all that work yourself? Like, I mean, indeed has thecomers not done that or?
10:05:10 It's, I mean, just amazing that every single county that has. Well, all counties get the recording fees.
10:05:15 Yeah.
10:05:18 This is even just those that adopted 15900. Yeah.
10:05:39 Oh, jeez.
10:05:20 Right. No, this is not nothing to do with 1590. And I mean, each auditor has to kind of process the the change and we've got some yeah it's an amazing amount of formulation
changes with almost no change in the actual amount of money that's coming you know they've added more recording feet but those keep are scraped out by the state so they don't they don't
come
10:05:42 Right. Thanks for doing that.
10:05:43 here. Yeah, no, it was satisfying. And Peggy, Peggy Webster, of course, my partner in crime often, it did took a draft on that as well.
10:05:52 So it wasn't just me. And she's still concerned just to say one more thing that I probably didn't care too much about, but.
10:05:59 There's those projects that are. I like habitats projects for emergency home repairs in South County.
10:06:07 We're not covered clearly by the 60% of 50 90 that has to go to 60% below.
10:06:14 Of median income. I'm arguing that those housing repairs are considered housing related services, but that's something that we have to establish whether they would be and so
would qualify for 1590.
10:06:27 The one impact that I could see a negative impact of this consolidation. Would be, potential elimination of that house, emergency house repair as a fundable program through
the RFP.
10:06:40 Still still some issues up in the air.
10:06:45 Let's see, BHC meeting on Thursday the tenth. They were very appreciative of the, Commandment we made to keeping the VHC open and working out the plan, the HRSA grant they didn't
get a time extension to so they can still kind of.
10:07:00 Navigate. A formation of MOUs and everything and getting those. And the paper works, straight before we start funding them with the opioid settlement funds.
10:07:14 And I went to the quill scene wine tasting on the eleventh. Was, had family stuff on Saturday and was not able to make it to the fair and then down on Sunday with the transit
conference with Heidi which I thought was Fascinating.
10:07:32 I thought there was lots of good stuff. I didn't mention, hydrogen fuel cells, but I'm all up on.
10:07:37 I didn't go to that. Yeah, yeah, I didn't go that question. Heidi went to the ones we're talking about mitigating your elected's eagerness that everyone was talking about mitigating
your elected's eagerness that everyone was more difficult.
10:07:46 And I avoided that one like the play. Presentations I went to, a couple of the transit agencies.
10:07:57 Talked about hydrogen as being the long game. You know, not that long of a long game, but as they plan the next 5 years.
10:08:07 The hydrogen's in the mix. Yeah, and I mean, it's coming into our region soon, right?
10:08:10 So a hundred 30 million dollars have been awarded to an effort made by Lewis County because there was 8 billion dollars I think in the Chips Act I think for, for hydrogen fuel
cells.
10:08:22 And so they're building one in Cleveland County to be that we could potentially just go and fill up a, you know, a truck with compressed H 2.
10:08:34 But it's
10:08:34 You, you said, Callum, but I think you meant Lewis.
10:08:39 Oh.
10:08:37 No? No, Lewis County's led it. They led the thing. But, so Lewis County is $130, 130 million dollars grant.
10:08:44 Is trying to create basically in the I 5 corridor in West 5 5 electrolysis facilities.
10:08:52 So there's one in region 5. Our area is Clown County, several on the I 5 corridor and I think one down in Olympia or something.
10:08:58 So they're moving, you know, like, since you know the UK is going like.
10:09:03 0 emission vehicles. Completely by 2035 right so there's been a lot more push in Europe and there's some of these facilities are already running you know like in crowded metro
areas.
10:09:19 They have these electrolysis in facility. Yeah, yeah. And they were. Staff was more interested about the hybrid.
10:09:25 Hi, hydrogen electric buses which have kind of their own electrolysis generator on board.
10:09:31 So there's a couple different potentials, but as we as we walk down this road and it's, you know, accessible because right now we have to get hydrogen from Sacramento, I think,
is the nearest one.
10:09:45 So it's got, you know, almost ridiculously expensive. But with the the life cycle of buses and I think soon heavy equipment too I think more about our own, you know, public
works and fleet and everything.
10:09:55 And some of these larger vehicles make a lot more sense to have a How your your fuel cell and it's cheaper than diesel, especially if we had a local fueling facility.
10:10:04 And then of course I think about Glenn Cove and future development and opportunities for. You know being second in line to to develop electrolysis if it does continue to develop
you know you don't want to like I put all my money in beta but but it does seem like it's a quickly maturing technology.
10:10:23 Yeah it was interesting the most interesting thing to me was to learn about how much This stuff is already, the train's already on the track, right?
10:10:31 And I, you know, sitting out here on the Olympic Peninsula. I don't hear these updates.
10:10:34 So. That was the best thing coming out of the transit conference for me was just feeling like I got current information about.
10:10:40 Technology changes and what the bigger agencies are doing and Then there was a great lady from Missoula, Montana Mountain Transit.
10:10:49 And they're about twice the size of Jefferson Transit and they were describing their journey into electrification and saying that The board was super excited and said, just
go do it.
10:11:01 And it was very much kind of haphazard. But they've been doing it and it just, you know, made me realize that we need to.
10:11:10 Plan a little bit and not be, I mean, I'm so excited about it, but I don't want to be that board member that says, let's do it right now.
10:11:18 Let me know. I mean, if you stop your feet, you're stomping with the horizon of 5 years.
10:11:24 So, well, now I am. I skipped that one. Yeah. Interesting stuff.
10:11:29 Yeah.
10:11:26 Hmm. Can I just yeah, I just it's It is interesting because I, you know, I've been following very closely.
10:11:36 That inflation reduction act and you know that all the opportunities it provides and you know the analysis is really that.
10:11:45 Especially given the resistance we are seeing to renewable energy projects like We know the kind of path that we need to take to get to.
10:11:56 A different climate future than the path we're currently on and We're largely not performing like we're not going to get there, with wind and solar with the amount of resistance
that we're seeing to those product permitting those projects.
10:12:10 So I'm, I'm, you know, I think hydrogen is a good alternative. Until very recently, I believe and I'm sure it's still dependent on the facility.
10:12:20 It has taken more energy to produce. Hi, hydrogen power, then it creates. And so, you know, I think that's a scale issue.
10:12:27 And hope that we get to the scale where that is. That equation is flipped. But, you know, I think it's gonna really raise a question too of How much risk?
10:12:40 Or try and error should public agencies be participating in and you know we think we need to try out some different systems and see what works and I'm proud of our little transit
system for taking on their first battery electric bus and that might not end up being the future but like.
10:12:58 We got a try. We gotta see what's gonna work. What's gonna work in a rural region?
10:13:02 So I, I would love to go to that conference some year. It sounds fascinating and I hope that transit staff feel supported by your participation. Sounds fascinating and I hope
that transit staff feel supported by your participation.
10:13:13 I'm glad you both went.
10:13:13 Oh yeah, and I think they did and you know, did you got the update that we actually got the charger hooked up and the bus is plugged in now.
10:13:21 Excellent. Which was a big step. Well, we're at the conference, Nicole brought over a picture of the bus plugged in the pieces.
10:13:28 We were like, yay, hugging and crying. Now, not crying and hugging.
10:13:33 But. And they're cool, you know, smaller electric buses that'll probably be more efficient, but with a hydrogen, they weren't really talking about power costs as being inefficient.
10:13:44 I don't have the direct answer to your question, but one of the big caveats was it really depends on how clean is your electricity.
10:13:51 And we know that our electricity is about as 0 emissions as it gets, maybe not salmon friendly, but you know.
10:13:58 So it's really a good candidate for that and there is still a billion dollars in that pot that's going to get awarded next year.
10:14:05 So as we as we move down the path, I think there's opportunities for you know, leading and sometimes those sometimes you take missteps when you take the first steps, right?
10:14:13 And I think that's something that I, you know. We have to be smart but willing to consider.
10:14:18 Yes. Alright, sorry, I'm taking a lot of time. Let's see.
10:14:26 Oh, and then my the ball I dropped with our catastrophic email outage was that I believe you were in DC, both Heidi and I were in.
10:14:34 You know, Vancouver and there was a election to certify that we had forgotten about and you know have to be in person and had not delegated Mark or anybody else and and so Monday
there was luckily no challenge ballots which made it easier so you know they were able to limp by without us on Monday and then on Tuesday using an emergency RCW.
10:15:00 We certified the elections. All good. And yeah, it worked well, but that was the biggest ball that I dropped.
10:15:07 So. Which is a pretty big ball. Pretty big ball. Yes, so sorry about that.
10:15:13 Go ahead. So sorry about that. Forgive me. I know.
10:15:18 Soccer ball size ball. It was yeah. It's one of those giant like Bob from Evergreen.
10:15:19 Oh, not that bad. Talk about soccer ball. Okay. And then, I.
10:15:25 On Wednesday after the conference I actually spent today and. Portland with my daughter, which was great. Went to a show, saw the only demonstrably emotionally intelligent rock
star.
10:15:39 He apologized for. Yelling at a heckler it was great great show the drums highly recommend good good good good energy And then, but I did take time out to go to the anti-racist
class, which continues to be.
10:15:54 A real eye opener and I think something that It's easy to base our work on. So I do recommend if you guys can make the time.
10:16:03 It's a bit of a time commitment, but. It's well worth it. Board health with you guys on Friday, you know, we had an all day the first all-staff meeting of oly cap, you know,
we're meeting at 7 cedars at 9 am so that as well as our gardener community conversation was rescheduled and canceled for the day.
10:16:24 Then, have the county coordination meeting. One of the things I mentioned there was also at the transit conference, I went to a couple AI talks.
10:16:33 And many transit agencies and MRC has an AI policy and I think it is something that we should probably start to consider and I'm gonna put together.
10:16:42 Invite this is for all county employees except for Heidi and Kate. A AI AI working group, a book club basically to talk about.
10:16:50 How to use it, how not to use it, how to, you know, start forming that.
10:16:56 We'll work more on that. I've used it. A huge amount in the last couple weeks.
10:17:02 I find it for like, the recompete NOFFO for annexation rules from MRSC if I load a hundred-page PDF into it.
10:17:11 And then just ask questions and have a conversation with that PDF. And have it summarized and everything.
10:17:17 It was able to distill. Fairly accurate according to the people I talked to, because they knew about the stuff I was talking about.
10:17:23 Information in a fraction of the time that it would have taken me to read through that whole no-fo and started breaking it down myself.
10:17:30 So I found that had a lot of positive experiences with that in the last couple weeks.
10:17:35 Hey, Greg, what, what program are you using that you can just upload on? You know, a set limited amount of data to drop.
10:17:48 . For
10:17:45 I use chat GPT for I've paid for with the county and there's plugins the best plugin I had started to now charge so I've stopped using it but there are plugins that you can
use where you can either load a specific PDF and just query that.
10:18:02 Or you can also, there's quite a few links or plugins that you can use to. To interrogate a publicly available PDF online somewhere you know you give it the link and it loads
it and then you can ask questions.
10:18:18 So there's a couple of ways to do it but if you just look at plugins under chat GPT you can find a lot of things.
10:18:24 Hmm.
10:18:22 And there's filters, that's awesome to cool new filters in Chat GPT too so you can say I want to you know, Trustworthiness is my first priority and there's these lists that
you can put filters in.
10:18:34 So I want accurate information that is, you know, professional but slightly snarky, you know, just do what I can do to, you know.
10:18:41 Mimic myself in my chat GPT. I want to talk to myself. Can you hear on the wall?
10:18:48 Can you tell it to give you lies? I think you could. Yeah, give me. Yeah, yeah, no, it's very flexible.
10:18:55 Great, thank you.
10:18:56 Still reading documents over here in Heidi land. That's you know, there's there's room for all of that.
10:19:03 And then, yesterday I could not go to the Al County Picnic because It was chicken slaughtering day.
10:19:10 So improved our process. 30 chickens processed, but I have to admit that I was. Very fatigued at the end of it.
10:19:17 I don't know. Okay, well they wouldn't have let you in the bouncy castle. So covered in blood.
10:19:23 No, well, near over the age limit. Oh, okay. I would have helped you set up the bouncy castle.
10:19:27 Yeah. You would add you do that. Okay, so that's it for me. Mark, you want to tell us about your past couple weeks?
10:19:35 High points? Sure. I'm starting on the seventh. Thank you.
10:19:39 So my daughter finally left town. Pardon? I said finally, after 7 weeks. On the Tuesday the eighth and so I was out Monday and Tuesday and So now I'm back full time.
10:19:55 And the first day I was back on the ninth, Sarah and I went out and didn't did negotiations with Hmm.
10:20:07 Oh no, no, that was scrub. Sorry. So we had our strategic.
10:20:12 Planning meeting. And And then the North Olympic. Peninsula City Manager, County Administrator Ketchup.
10:20:21 And then on Thursday the ninth, I met with Josh before his week out east and then we had the email update meeting at 40'clock in the afternoon.
10:20:34 Then on the eleventh we had our special meeting. Chimicum Drainage District at 20'clock and then I went out to the county fair and was quite impressed with what I saw.
10:20:45 Especially, given the events of the past, what, 4 to 6 months. Should have bought some of that Hawaiian barbecue, but.
10:20:55 And managed to walk by without. Buying any of it. And next year I'll do that differently.
10:21:02 Then
10:21:04 Last week, no board meeting. Met with Sarah to go over the sheriff's. You go.
10:21:23 We've had 3 meetings with them thus far and we're getting close to agreement on terms. And then met with Brent in the afternoon.
10:21:27 And then on Tuesday I had my senior management team meeting. And, and then of course. Jump through the hoop thing regarding the election certification.
10:21:39 Appreciate the way you reacted to that, Greg. Very, very flexible. And then I met with Shannon Burns out of juvenile to she had a number of questions about budget and a couple
of contracts.
10:21:53 And then Wednesday was an open day, so I was able to do administrative work. I did some work on the upcoming budget.
10:22:03 And then on the seventeenth, Thursday, we met with them. The sheriff's negotiating team.
10:22:11 And this is a 3 person bargaining unit. We're taking about the same amount of time for that.
10:22:16 And then Heidi had a meeting. With Matt Tyler from Parks, money rinders, our public works director.
10:22:29 Mallory Weinheimer to talk about reconvance. Or trust land transfer.
10:22:39 Ideas about bringing, I think it was 4 parcels, in the county ownership using one of the 2 methods.
10:22:47 And, And it's clear that if it's reconvenience, the properties have to be parks.
10:22:53 And I think Manny and Matt both said that. That's really not doable from a resource point of view.
10:23:00 And then I met with Chris Koy for a catch up. And then Greg, you and I went over the agenda for today.
10:23:08 And we'll have that item on the agenda for next week. The debriefing. Maybe potential action on those 4 parcels.
10:23:16 Yeah, and then Friday, of course, coordination meeting. And then, or do enter Gov project manager is in place and the project team met for 2Â h.
10:23:30 I'm going over. Essentially setting up the framework for project work. I was impressed with.
10:23:39 With the project manager's approach to the project. And. Hopeful that, that she will bring order.
10:23:47 To integrate and that will advance the ball significantly over the term of her contract. So that's brings us to today.
10:23:57 Excellent. Alright.
10:23:57 Hey, can I ask a quick question? It's actually question mark for Heidi.
10:24:03 But the, given the letter that we all received from the fire chiefs, would that trust and transfer?
10:24:17 Yeah, I mean.
10:24:11 Meeting be an appropriate time to pull that into a conversation or. Is it much overlap with?
10:24:22 Yeah. You know what I'm asking is that the right time in place to.
10:24:25 So, so the 4 parcels are all north of Highway 104. And we've been in our work over the last 6 or 8 months with DNR been really focusing on parcels north of 104 that DNR has
long been avoiding timber harvest on because they're near.
10:24:43 Populated areas and they've said We would love to collaborate with you on getting these back into county ownership.
10:24:51 And so the agenda item for Monday is about those specific 4 parcels and we'll provide that context of course and I was just planning on sending the agenda request to Tim Manley.
10:25:06 That's the first kind of. Real, tactical proposal that we're gonna have coming out of all this work we've been doing with Mallory and I bet on all those work groups with DNR.
10:25:22 And working collaboratively with DNR on this stuff. So. I, it's gonna be interesting to hear in 5Â min.
10:25:30 The update from DNR and the. Kind of shipped in the team and Mona moving into this.
10:25:35 Work on some of the stuff that came out of that. 83 million dollar proviso from the legislature, but I don't know what.
10:25:42 That holds for the future. I think that the letter from the fire association. Was.
10:25:52 Just concerned about kind of how. How much that provides is going to impact junior taxing districts in our county.
10:25:59 So. You know, the timbers, the parcels slash timber sale, potential September sales.
10:26:07 That we're talking about with these 4 parcels. Have basically been on hold. DNR is not harvesting those parcels, so.
10:26:14 It would help them to get them out of. Management and then Mallory could actually do for a spinning harvest on them and make them help more healthy over time.
10:26:25 So it actually increase the timber harvest. In relative to those 4 parcels. If we did. Mallory type forestry versus DNR type forestry.
10:26:38 So. This will all be in the agenda request or some condensed version of it and I was planning on sharing that with.
10:26:46 Chief family.
10:26:49 Right, okay, thank you. And it sounds like this won't have a lot of overlap with the bulk of their concerns, but.
10:26:56 Yeah, maybe, send it to Chief Black too just since it's largely the, within the East Jefferson.
10:27:03 Yeah, of course.
10:27:04 Fire district. Thank you.
10:27:07 Good. Okay, well, we have just 3Â min until our update. Maybe we'll just recess for.
10:27:17 Yeah, 3Â min and come back and join our DNR partners. For our update and I think more of logging school too, right? I assume.
10:27:27 Yeah, I'm sure. All right, we'll see you back here at 1030.
10:31:16 Feels probably with one of them, I guess.
10:31:31 That's why All right, and we'll call this meeting of the Board of County Commissioners back into session.
10:31:38 And we'll invite Mona and I'm not sure if Chill is with Mona and Drew as well and at all to join us in the zoom room the panelists you'll have to accept promotion drew to panelists
10:31:52 Hi, I'm on my own. Yeah.
10:31:54 Okay, is still joining us or withdrew or?
10:31:59 Hi, and good morning. I'm with Drew and David Hern right here in the Portlandalist Warp Center this morning.
10:32:06 I will really excited to meet you. I don't know if you guys are able to turn on your camera.
10:32:11 We'd love to see you. It's not critical.
10:32:16 There we go.
10:32:16 Excellent. Morning, Drew.
10:32:20 Great. Well, it seems like you guys were just with us. I was, I was surprised to see you so soon again, but always happy to have you.
10:32:29 Is that mean as another quarter gone by already or is? Is it trading, roles that, brought you here?
10:32:38 We were we had to postpone last time in June because I was late or I mean I was on vacation.
10:32:44 And so it is a little sooner than normal.
10:32:47 Gotcha. Okay. Well, glad to have you. Always good to see you.
10:32:51 And, I guess. Take it away, Drew, or do you wanna take a moment to introduce Joe?
10:32:57 We'd love to, I don't think we've had the pleasure. It's not Jill.
10:33:01 There!
10:33:00 Good morning.
10:33:05 Alright, well nice to meet you and we'll hope to see you in person sometime soon.
10:33:07 Nice to meet you. You bet.
10:33:14 Let's start off real quick by going through the income report and. Then we'll jump into David's presentation.
10:33:24 So, second quarter.
10:33:30 We ended at 1.5 million So the only sale while Bolton rehab paid out and that one is now closed out.
10:33:42 Beaver Valley. They, they did an amazing job of logging through that one very quickly.
10:33:49 And So that one is all paid for except your initial deposit, which. I think the sale is closed out right now.
10:33:59 And should be going through audit so I expect that within a month or 2 and then that sale will be completed.
10:34:07 Mount Jupiter access, has been slowly logging. Through the summer so we got another $4,000 payment.
10:34:15 Your total on that one is only 32,000, so. We, slowly paying off and then should should be done here in a few months and then the initial deposit which will be About 30 just
over $3,000 will come probably right after the first of the year to close that one out.
10:34:37 Yeah.
10:34:36 Hey, Drew. I'm sorry to interrupt. Kate raised her hand and I'm wondering we didn't get the attachments this time.
10:34:46 Oh yeah.
10:34:44 If can you share them on on screen? So we can walk through this with you. Is that was that your question Kate?
10:34:51 Yeah, exactly. I haven't seen these numbers yet, so it'd be great too. I learn better if I can see it while I'm hearing it.
10:34:58 Thank you.
10:35:01 Hey, bear with me a minute while I.
10:35:11 You may wanna. Yep.
10:35:08 Find this, where's my spreadsheet? There, do you see that? Okay, I'm not sure why the attachment didn't come through that's unusual
10:35:21 Let me move this around. Okay, second quarter. So, okay, so again,
10:35:33 Jupiter access. Holy coming long. You were only 2.4% of that sales, so not big payments, but.
10:35:44 I expected Center 12 to work through the summer and it's not. It is. It is starting back up.
10:35:51 I think you guys just got a payment on that one. So it'll it'll probably stay pretty steady.
10:36:00 But second quarter didn't deliver. Bolton. Final payment on that one. And it's closed out.
10:36:09 Beaver Valley, 1.4 million. They logged that one incredibly fast. That company wanted that.
10:36:15 Wanted to get that into the mill and get it, get it gone and We sent in a billing and they paid the first building on it and then just said follow up with a billing to pay it
off we just don't want to owe you money so it's all paid for.
10:36:31 Again, that will be coming in. The, while the initial deposit since it's closed out will be coming in the next couple of months.
10:36:42 And then that sale will be done. And expected a little more from Pennywise, but it didn't move anything, so I'm expecting some bigger payments from that one soon.
10:36:53 It does have another full year to go. So, but I kind of think they'll just get it done.
10:37:02 Looking ahead to second quarter. I'm thinking about 3.8 million. Or 384,000 on that one.
10:37:13 I know we already got a payment on center 21. Hoping to get some more payments on Pennywise.
10:37:22 And. Fourth quarter. Hopefully some sales are closing out. I'm pretty sure you're going to see Beaver Valley the initial deposit paid out.
10:37:33 Then so. Hoping they finish the year. Right out about 2 and a half, 3 million. If everything comes through, it'll be about 3.7.
10:37:47 So pretty strong finish. And then under contract, only 281,000 left, but less crockers thought.
10:37:57 Is coming up. It's a December sale. So that one will probably, while it will log next summer.
10:38:07 Since it's a sort sale, it'll be a shorter turnaround. So my estimate is about 2 million on that one, but it'll probably go much higher.
10:38:17 So. Should bring you in just under 2.5 million for next year.
10:38:23 Sorry, Drew, you say it probably will go much higher. Does that reflecting the current value?
10:38:29 Yeah, and over bed they I tend to go a little bit low on those just cause I'm not sure What's gonna happen, but.
10:38:38 You know, the trend on sort sales is they go higher than. Than what I think they are.
10:38:45 Thanks.
10:38:46 Okay.
10:38:50 An issue to bring up that we could use some help on. We are starting to see theft of retention trees on Pennywise.
10:39:00 They've cut down a few of the bigger furs now and stolen them. I have a part time officer in East Jefferson County that comes up from Tooya.
10:39:10 And then my officer is. Is on the west end but does work this way. And they, I know they have contacts with, Jefferson County Sheriff's Department.
10:39:23 Where we could use some additional help in that area. And to watch for theft they have been timber theft is not uncommon but they're stealing a few nice trees up there and Once
they see that they can get away with it, it's not gonna slow down.
10:39:40 So. We could use some additional eyes up there.
10:39:44 Like, I mean, what's been effective in the past? I'm not sure if we're gonna get, you know, more.
10:39:50 Sheriff's deputies, you know. Up Penny Creek is it I mean what what are effective methods I mean Rainier has security they hire around here like subcontracting the rain here
or what are you suggesting?
10:40:02 Or web, do cameras work? Security cameras.
10:40:04 Cameras do work. If we can get them in the right place, it's a lot of ground to cover, so.
10:40:11 We do have actually recreation just bought a whole bunch more cameras. So that could help.
10:40:22 Can can cameras be used to prosecute thefts? I mean, sometimes you can't be there when it actually happens, but.
10:40:25 Yes.
10:40:29 Yeah, yeah, we've
10:40:28 Getting that proof a license plate number and a back full of wood, right?
10:40:32 Yep, if we can get, faces, more importantly, it's, Seeing license plates of vehicles That's a big sell.
10:40:43 And yeah, we've used them very effectively up here. You know, we've had a rash, a rash of cedar theft in the, in West Jefferson.
10:40:51 And one of my, well, a couple of my staff are really, really talented with the cameras.
10:40:57 To the point where I've. Ask them to do it, get out there and and get some cameras on site.
10:41:05 And I had license plates in the morning. We even had a video of them cutting. Cutting up some log s.
10:41:11 So Very effective and we're using that. I, I just approved an order for about. 20 new cameras.
10:41:21 Where our our recreation sites flush right now so with money on the new budget so He's ordering up, 20 new ones.
10:41:30 We have. A split of just regular cameras versus cell phone cameras. And if you can get signal.
10:41:39 And I think Penny Creek has signal, if you can get signal, then you can generally, They'll they'll send the photo as soon as it gets taken to either my LEO or one of my Wreck
staff and they'll get that photo right away and know that something's active right now so they can make phone calls.
10:42:00 But our response with our LEOs if it's If it's at night or on a weekend, it's a little slower to get somebody out there.
10:42:10 So at that point, and I know my LEO has contacts with Jefferson County and Clown County sheriffs, so.
10:42:18 As well as tribal. So. We can usually get somebody to come out and respond, but it does make it kind of tough to be quick.
10:42:28 That that is going on so If you hear of anything or. Anybody see something?
10:42:34 Let us know how we can help. You know, if you need capacity to get cameras up in trees or something, you know, a little bit of a one page on how they might be most strategically
deployed.
10:42:45 I'll put them up there yourself. I live just down the road from Penny Wise. I don't mind helping.
10:42:48 Okay, we'll do that.
10:42:50 Have you had have you had Sheriff's departments and other counties help before. I mean, can you suggest how that's worked or not?
10:43:00 Yeah, that always works out pretty well, really. So, you know, given that we're such a small force.
10:43:07 The LEOs are, they're actually all cross deputized. In both counties and so we it ends up working really well.
10:43:18 We can't really get them to like do an emphasis patrol with us because that it's just too time consuming and they're busy.
10:43:26 But we've had very good luck working, Tribal Police, WDFW.
10:43:32 And County Sheriff's. So everybody kind of works together. Everybody's so limited has such a small force anymore that you have to work together is just not gonna, it's not gonna
work out for anybody.
10:43:46 And.
10:43:46 Is there.
10:43:46 And you've talked to Yes, yes, I'm sorry, Kate, seem to talk to this Jefferson Sheriff's Office.
10:43:54 Okay, great.
10:43:52 Yeah, yeah, we're reaching out. And on the on the good news front, 5 new LEOs were approved in the new capital budget or the new state budget.
10:44:03 And one of those is coming to Olympic. So I'm hoping by by the time we hire him, I think the jobs out right now.
10:44:12 By the time we hire him, they go through their training. You know, it'll be early winter before we actually have a body, but that person will probably be stationed.
10:44:23 Out of Port Angela, so that gives me a lot more capacity to handle East and East Jefferson and East Kalam.
10:44:31 So that's going to be I mean that that's doubling my force, so. That's gonna help out and it also allows the 2 LEOs to get together and do, night work.
10:44:42 Where, you know, we're hesitant to send an, you know, an officer out by himself at night with little coverage, so.
10:44:49 This will allow them to go out together. At night and do some more patrols. Everybody kind of knows that all the red trucks disappear.
10:44:57 From the words from between 4 30 and 5 30 and weekends. You know, it's very little presence out there, so.
10:45:06 That should help out too.
10:45:09 Right.
10:45:09 Is, do you use gates in certain areas? Where there's historically a lot of theft or is it just too difficult to gate all of the access roads?
10:45:25 Okay.
10:45:19 We do use Gates. Gates keep honest people honest. I spend between 5 and $10,000 of biennium on locks and lock pins.
10:45:33 So they disappear. We've had to actually. The locks we used to use were $50.
10:45:41 For each body and then we core them ourselves and That got really expensive and we can go through several $100 worth of locks in a weekend.
10:45:53 So we found a $10 body that works just as well, but. They disappear really quickly. They just keep the honest people honest.
10:46:02 And really good trick is to break the lock off and then put your own on there. So you have private access.
10:46:09 When we find those, we break them off and put ours back on, but. Yeah, it's gates are they're they really help with things like.
10:46:19 Garbage dumping and That kind of stuff, some just abuse, but when when people want to steal, Firewood, I don't understand.
10:46:31 Firewood is laying everywhere and you can go get it if you don't mind working for it.
10:46:36 And but they for some reason want to go in and steal those big. Big older trees and you know, I my preference is to cut a nice big fur too, but That isn't always the right thing
to do, so.
10:46:50 They will they'll break the locks and go in and do their thing and generally disappear before we can get to him.
10:46:58 I mean, true is the are they are the thieves usually you think hitting these up for firewood or are they ending up on the market in small mills?
10:47:10 So like the fur and hemlock that gets cut, I think that's all firewood.
10:47:14 It'd just be too difficult for them to to buck them into a Merchable length and get them out.
10:47:20 And so I think and I don't know if the firewood is probably a mix of commercial firewood.
10:47:26 You know, go up to Safeway and sit in the parking lot and ask $200 for a truckload.
10:47:31 Versus people just taking it home and burning it for themselves. It Firewood is an interesting thing because you know we got people asking for permits.
10:47:41 And we put out everything we can, you know, we only issue permits in the open season. So April, fifteenth, October, 15, we don't issue.
10:47:51 Just because of the fire danger, but. And you'll give him an area and you'll get nothing but complaints because the word wasn't decked up right in the ditch line where they
could.
10:48:00 Cut it and throw it right into their truck without working and. It's frustrating and if you go up on 4 service ground and our ground to an extent there's windfall everywhere.
10:48:11 Just lay in there all you gotta do is cut it, throw it down the hill and and you can actually be pretty choosy.
10:48:17 And the Forest Service just issues a general permit. That gives you stipulations, no cutting and riparian zones only cut within so many feet of the road.
10:48:29 And you can have, I think, 6 cords. And if you want to go for a drive in the hills and bring your saw, you can come home with a truckload pretty easily, but.
10:48:39 People just don't want to spend the time or the fuel to get out there and do it. So.
10:48:46 Yeah, frustrating.
10:48:47 Yeah
10:48:50 Okay.
10:48:56 Satisfying.
10:48:50 And then we do have people too that just like to fall the big trees to fall the big tree. Which is really scary because we all know how to cut.
10:49:01 And you'll go up and look at a stump and we just, we did have one guy fall one through his truck over in Clown County.
10:49:08 And so we caught him because he couldn't leave, but. When you look at the stumps, we're waiting to find arms and legs sticking out from under a tree.
10:49:18 It's sooner or later it's going to happen because Some of these people don't know how to handle the wood that they're handling, so.
10:49:25 It's scary, but.
10:49:29 Yeah.
10:49:29 This reminds me of the couple weeks ago one of my, eighty-year-old neighbor of mine was out.
10:49:36 Taking down a cherry tree, a big cherry tree in his yard and. He started cutting down the small branches and then.
10:49:42 How does Chains that out and was going for some of the big trunk pieces and I was like, I ran over them like, pee, no.
10:49:51 So he's stopped. Yeah. And I. Okay.
10:49:49 Yeah. Yep. Alright, I've cut my share of trees, but I still get scared every time I go after one.
10:50:00 Yeah.
10:50:00 Unless it's just a really simple one.
10:50:03 Yeah, I might have dropped one in my house before, but I'm, you know, careful.
10:50:06 Yeah.
10:50:08 The house now.
10:50:10 Okay.
10:50:11 All right, well, appreciate it. Drew, we should probably move on. I don't want to shortcut David's presentation.
10:50:17 I know we did last time.
10:50:18 Okay, I'll hand you off to David. No, I don't. Okay.
10:50:31 Good morning.
10:50:33 Good morning.
10:50:37 Is that this screen still being shared or are we on video?
10:50:40 Stopped it but you can hit the green button and share it and choose you might want to have your presentation up before you share.
10:50:48 Yep, and we're just about there.
10:50:53 Okay.
10:50:59 And why why are you doing that? Mona said she had sent the packet to me. I would love to get it.
10:51:05 Associated to people and I still don't see it. We're having a you know a bunch of email issues that are mostly resolved but Can try sending that one more time to Gee Brotherton
at CO.
10:51:16 Okay.
10:51:16 Dot Jefferson dot.us. And carolyn@cojefferson.dot us we can get it to everyone so they can We can attach it, you know, after the fact of the packet and make sure everyone gets
to be able to see those numbers.
10:51:28 Okay.
10:51:32 Sorry, David.
10:51:33 Okay, see, screen sharing now.
10:51:37 That's good.
10:51:39 Perfect.
10:51:48 Why working?
10:51:55 Okay, there we go. We're just to confirm we're on the title page, right?
10:52:02 Olympic Regent State Lands Management Presentations, Part 4. You guys can see that.
10:52:05 Okay. Great. So yeah. This, last installment of our sort of our state lands management is going to be related to sort of what happens.
10:52:16 With our timber cells once we get past our environmental reviews and get them to auction. And the process of auction amount and then the contract administration of those timber
cells as we work through the cells.
10:52:33 Which will include some stuff on payment and how we invoice the purchasers and the timing of all that stuff.
10:52:38 And then all the way until Tembersale close out.
10:52:42 So like I've been doing and I'll just quickly go through just the review of the process that we do here at the DNR.
10:52:52 And so our first step that we always do is a timer style remote screening. Where we try to make generalizations of the timber sales based off of the data that we have in our
systems.
10:53:02 These will concern these includes special concerns reports. So we're looking for anything that, you know, in our data system that might put out a red flag, you know, hey, you're
gonna need to check this out.
10:53:16 We have, Mar, a habitat layer within a quarter mile of the sale. Pay attention to this area.
10:53:23 We have our our geologists do a LIDAR review of her timber sales point out areas on the map.
10:53:31 Hey, you need to go check this area out. And your initial field recon and pay special attention to that portion of the timber cell.
10:53:39 After some remote screening, we go in and do our Neshole field recon. And we verify the notes from our specialists that reviewed these cells from our geologists to our biologists
to our culture resources.
10:53:52 We're looking at all those policy layers, the special concerns reports that we've pulled through our remote data.
10:53:59 And then, and just now putting that data into what's on the ground. And what's the actual field observations?
10:54:07 So you're looking at, what kind of, species are there, whether the stand characteristics, are there any disease presence?
10:54:18 How's the road access? Who are we gonna have to contact in regards to sort of our outreach, you know, our neighbors in the area?
10:54:25 And they're in a big one that we ran out to, especially here in this district is, is there any current trespasses across state land if we have a neighbor, a border neighbors
or shop?
10:54:36 Is there a fence line? You know, we come across that quite often. You know, when we're laying out these cells.
10:54:44 After we do the initial field recon the foresters then start calling in our field specialists. Biologists, geologists, archaeologists, surveyors, and we start working with them.
10:54:55 Generating a plan on a management plan for the stand
10:55:01 From there we start actually building the timber cell. We start selecting leave trees. We determine where our boundary tags are going to be.
10:55:10 Our landing locations for our logging practices. Any kind of yarding corridors. And then, our RMZ, which our repairy, and management zones are wetland management zones, delineations
and management.
10:55:28 So after all the field work is completed and then we jump into turning this field work into a paper format and then 2 documents.
10:55:38 The biggest one. Route the top is our maps. This, our forces use RGS, create these maps.
10:55:50 We have driving maps, which are sort of our vicinity maps, our big picture. Where these timber sales and units are located.
10:55:53 We have logging plan maps on how we designed the cell to be logged, whether it be ground-based or cable-based.
10:56:00 Logging methods and that's based off of our top topography of these tumor cells. And then our timber cell maps that show sort of our timber cell boundaries, our delineate areas,
whether it be leaf trees, RMCs, wetland management zones.
10:56:15 And so we were really trying to paint the picture of what the field work that we did and what the management of that stand is going to be like.
10:56:22 From there we start developing our contracts. Fororsers fill out info data sheets on what kind of cell this is going to be, whether it be as lump thumbs cell or scale cell or
source cell.
10:56:33 What length the contract we need from these sales. What are the trust distributions? So if it's county trust, then we need to know what the tax levy codes are so we know where
to distribute the funds.
10:56:47 Road access needs contract clauses so those are all inclusion what we call sort of a timber cell info data sheet So we need our help our office staff needs help from the foresters
to collect information on this sale so we can start putting putting together our proposal and our contracts and our notices.
10:57:06 To get the cell from, from the field back to paper and building into a contract that we can auction off.
10:57:13 Also included are sort of separately, but in conjunction with our TEMPERSl Maps is the engineering road plan.
10:57:20 Each district has a team of engineers. Where we have engineered drawings, maps, cost sheets, road standards for each timber cell to fit our road access needs for each of our
tumor cells.
10:57:39 So, after all these documents are created, we go through an extensive internal review. We have 2 separate reviews that we do.
10:57:47 First is what we call our region review. This before any of the documents are submitted for our environmental reviews, which are SEPA and FPA, our forced practice permit.
10:57:59 So within this review, you have all region management, you got our district managers, our unit coordinators, foresters, all of our specialists.
10:58:08 Review every document that has been drafted for this contract from Timor Cell Maps to the FPA to the SEPA checklist.
10:58:16 All the way down to road plan all these are compiled into one. Review packet that's sent out.
10:58:22 Usually for on a 2 week time period and everyone gets a comment make edits draft up concerns, anything related to contract and then that goes back to the foresters for edits
and updates before we do any kind of submital of that for FPA or SEPA.
10:58:41 Our second review is little later in the game after our SEPA and fourth practice have been reviewed. And approved, we move into sort of our final documents of the proposal where
we go into contracts.
10:58:57 Our timber cell notice that goes out to our purchasers. Our road plans, final cost sheets and all that tied to what was going to be actually posted with the contract for purchase.
10:59:14 So just quickly, on our process once we get all everything reviewed and edited the 2 big steps after that is our the for the submittal of the forest practice application which
is a get submitted to the forest regulation program.
10:59:33 You know just so just to distinct program that I want to clarify is that you know we don't we both work under the DNR.
10:59:44 But we are 2 very much different programs. So the force regulation program is in charge. Of protecting all state and private forest lands in the state of Washington.
10:59:58 So over 12 million acres. They have their own separate force practice board, which is, They use the board manual.
11:00:06 That's developed. Bye DNR W. Ecology and other agencies to sort of develop our forest practice rules and regulations that are developed for this state in all the forest lands
in this state, not just the DNR own forest lands.
11:00:24 And so the DNR is a, a forest practice application. Do any kind of timber harvest?
11:00:30 If we have to do a salvage opportunity, whether it be blow down event, cedar salvage, any kind of timber, you know, activity on DNR timberlands.
11:00:40 The kind of constructions of roads and install installation of fish culverts or bridges. Any kind of gravel work, we have to submit a forged practice application and get that
approved through our board.
11:00:52 Regulation program.
11:00:57 The other environmental review that we are familiar with, everyone's mostly familiar with the SEPA process.
11:01:04 And that is actually over seen by the department ecology and we submit a SEPA checklist with all of our timber cells.
11:01:12 And these get sent out for review and posted with a 14 day review period. And we have mailing lists that we send these to.
11:01:23 If there's neighbors, we know we have concerned citizens in different areas and make sure that they are on a SEPA list.
11:01:28 You know, when those get sent out for review for public comment and review.
11:01:37 Just a general overview of everything we sort of covered and. Of all all the steps that we sort of go through before we actually auction a timber cell.
11:01:48 So we covered everything down to. Sort of step 9 up to this point and so to sort of finish off these timber cells.
11:01:59 We, we go out and at a praise of timber sales, we get board approval from the board natural resources and then we auction these timber cells.
11:02:09 So quickly on timber cell appraisals. We appraise. Each timber cell the week prior to board of natural resource approval.
11:02:20 So the DNR does a price forecast. They look at market conditions. We get price surveys from our purchasers or mills.
11:02:28 Try to get an idea of what being, what's being paid for logs delivered to the local mills.
11:02:35 We look at auction trends, how many bidders are we getting? How are we? Or over bids.
11:02:43 And then we put together sort of a price forecast, you know, economic view of, you know, what the, what the market's doing in our areas.
11:02:52 And then we go and review each timers cell on an individual level go through each tumor cell before it goes to being our approval.
11:03:00 We take a look at the species mix, the markability of that mix. What are the costs associated with the timber cells and who are potential purchasers?
11:03:10 So I know, in his income report mentioned Beaver Valley as a, you know, one that got through quickly.
11:03:19 That's because it had a very specialized product in it. If you look at the cross arms on a transmission pull like this, Western Forest Products, that's one of the products they
need and they need really tight grain, high quality.
11:03:32 Dug fur in order to produce those because they have so much stress. On those polls that it's very high spec in order to.
11:03:42 Create that product. And even the distribution polls that's holding up all this is the same thing.
11:03:50 If you, I believe there are some polls that came off of it. So these are products that are really only found on DNR managed lands in state of Washington, private lands.
11:03:58 Don't really have these products anymore because they've already harvested them And obviously the 4 service isn't, you know, really producing that kind of wood anymore either.
11:04:09 So these are, Western Forrest products is someone that's always asking us for more and more because they need it.
11:04:15 There's a demand for it. And when it's available, they're really aggressive to come and get it and provide that that product to our markets.
11:04:26 Yup. Yes.
11:04:24 Hey, can I ask you something about that? I really appreciate this context and I was I was gonna ask why why a utility pool?
11:04:31 But I mean, so there's a big project down in Brannon and replacing utility polls up and down and is it a pretty good bet then that any new utility pool is coming from DNR land,
probably through Western.
11:04:42 Products.
11:04:43 I hope so. There's, I, I know there's a, It's been an issue with supply and so those have been driving cost up for local utility districts.
11:04:58 And you know, obviously if they can get the polls, you know, closer to home, it's gonna be cheaper for them.
11:05:05 And so, and the only alternative for that is a fiberglass poll, which are very expensive, obviously not very environmentally friendly either.
11:05:14 So my hope is that they're using a pull from DNR managed lands, especially close to home.
11:05:21 So. Yeah.
11:05:23 Great, thank you. Hey, you mentioned the Forest Service. I'm just and having a few conversations.
11:05:29 I mean, is there any? On the horizon, is there any hope for getting more of this kind of product out of the forest service?
11:05:37 So, my understanding with the 4 Service that most of their activities are thinning, you know, their second grill stands.
11:05:49 And putting in them into what they call like a final 4 estate. So I'm not really sure of the products that are coming off of that, but knowing the purchasers in the area that
have been operating.
11:06:10 But they
11:06:01 On 4 service sales, which, I know Interforce bought a number of these sales. So that's just telling me based off of what Interforce looking for that they're gonna be smaller
diameter trees.
11:06:15 Yeah.
11:06:14 I see. Thanks.
11:06:23 So once the tumor cells get appraised, we then, like I said, they do it the Thursday, sort of the week before the Board of Natural Resources.
11:06:32 We take those tumor cells to the board natural resource. Or natural resources for approval. That B and R is comprised of 6 different members.
11:06:42 The commissioner of public lands is our chair. We have a Rebecca County Commissioner representative. Which I believe is from Scadget County.
11:06:51 Lisa Janiki.
11:06:53 Yup. Superintendent of public instruction, the dean of WSUs College of Agriculture, Human and Natural Resources.
11:07:02 The director of the University of Washington School Force Resources. And then a designee pointed by the governor.
11:07:10 So those are our 6 members of our board. And they set the policies on how to guide the DNR to manage the state lands and resources.
11:07:21 And they have several different responsibilities and those include the approval of all timber sales or state trustland timber cells.
11:07:31 That are, praised over $1050,000. We call those board sales.
11:07:37 They also do the approval of any kind of cell transat or stress lands transaction or asset management. So the the cell of state trust lands the exchange of lands or even the
purchase And then, right now they're currently working on, a, DNR staff and eventually.
11:07:57 Presenting to the board for approvals, establishing the sustainable harvest level. As we're coming up to the end of our current decade.
11:08:05 And they meet the first Tuesday of every month.
11:08:09 How's that sustainable harvest calculation process going? I haven't. Stayed close to that lately.
11:08:16 Ongoing. It's still I think pretty well focused on East Side getting that one complete. And still working away on ours a little bit.
11:08:28 It's kind of slowed down on West Side, but. Still gathering input and very complicated process.
11:08:34 Yeah, yeah.
11:08:36 I'm glad I don't have to do that. I have input into it for for our region but It's really complex.
11:08:44 Yeah.
11:08:44 And So it's on going.
11:08:47 Yeah, thanks, Drew.
11:08:49 Yep.
11:08:52 So after the board of natural resource approval timer cells they are then advertised for being our approved Sales, we have a 28 day advertisement requirement.
11:09:06 That's an RCW. And then a 10 day requirement for any region approved sales.
11:09:14 Region approved sales are sales that are praised to under $250. So it's just the size of the contract.
11:09:20 You know, there usually are small salvage type sales or one unit, you know, 30 acre timber cell.
11:09:26 Those are what we can say region cells and that's based off of their appraised value.
11:09:32 So board approval, I give an example here. So if we were at the June board meeting.
11:09:39 These timber cells get approved in June and they won't be auctioned until the following month.
11:09:46 So at the, towards the end of July, our timber sale auctions. For the most part fall on the Wednesday before the last Thursday of the month.
11:09:56 So that's because one of our other regions auctions on the last Thursday of every month. So we were just one day before that.
11:10:07 Over Christmas and, Thanksgiving, we bump those cells up into the middle of the month to avoid any conflict with holidays or vacation schedules.
11:10:18 So our auction process is, public auction. We have a bid box. Natural wooden box.
11:10:27 With a drop slot for our bids. They come in in an envelope with a form bid filled out.
11:10:35 And usually a bond or cashiers check as a bid deposit. And at 100'clock, the day of the auction, we have a official auction clock.
11:10:47 We close the bids and then we sit we sit there and open each bid by timber cell and we award what we call a parent high bidder.
11:10:59 We read off the bid totals who the purchaser is. And then award it based off of the highest parent hide bid.
11:11:06 After the auction, we get confirmation that the timber cells have been approved. This is a internal process that the DNR does.
11:11:14 What that 10 days is it allows for any kind of appeal to the bid procedure or auction date procedure.
11:11:21 Was there some kind of procedural issue? Was there a bonding issue? It allows for some kind of appeal if there is one from a purchaser or complaint really on how we awarded
that bid.
11:11:33 After sales are confirmed, we send these cells out to signature. To the purchasers. And then we asked that they at that time they submit their performance security and once
that's been completed, this timber cell is ready for operations.
11:11:51 For the first step into operations is as required by contract as pre-work conference. Which most of our purchasers here are mills, you know, the Interforce, the Sierra Pacifics,
the Murphy companies.
11:12:05 And, so they will, every once in a while we have a local logger such as, you know, back of ours been one that's one a few cells.
11:12:15 If it's a, it's as Mill, we meet with them. We meet with their road builder because they contract out road builders.
11:12:22 We meet with our loggers. We, we meet prior to, any of these operations beginning and we talk about roads.
11:12:30 We have a separate conference for roads. The logging operations. And any kind of pit operations that might be associated with timber cells and then safety emergency management
plan.
11:12:42 So during these meetings we talked about the contract information within the contracts. We go through each clause.
11:12:49 We ask them where their logs are going to be delivered to, what are what kind of operating restrictions are tied to the cell or their winter hall.
11:12:57 If it's in a really high use public area, we have heavy restrictions on when they can haul the timber, you know, time of day, you know, nothing, you know, I think out here in
Straits we have a lot of timber cells that you know hauling before 6 a.
11:13:12 M. It's only be done Monday through Friday and not on the state recognized holidays. And then we, you know, a very big one for us is going over the safety, safety plan, fire,
make sure fire equipment's on-site, fire wagons, and so we just really covering over our expectations of this timber cell with each purchaser and they're contractors.
11:13:37 Once the, pre-work conferences have been completed and signed, then they can begin work.
11:13:44 On the timber cells. Each tumor cell is assigned a contract administrator from the DNR.
11:13:52 It's usually a forester that, you know, either laid out the timber cell or played a role in to get in the cell to auction.
11:13:59 And they're the point of contact and in charge of compliant. The contract of that timber cell, the FPA of the Timbers, making sure that they're under compliance with our fourth
practice permit application.
11:14:12 They keep a safety journal, they do safety audits, and then the big one for all of us is the financials of the Timber Sill.
11:14:20 So our active timber cells are built monthly. And the way we calculate it is different for each cell.
11:14:30 If it's a scale cell, we do that based off the removals. And so the skeleton, we received the scale tickets, how much volume was actually removed from that timber cell.
11:14:38 And we pay by either the tonnage. Or the MBF or the the measurement, the board, you know.
11:14:46 The board measurement that was removed from that timber cell. The most common cell that we have is a lump sum timber cell.
11:14:56 So we sold everything within a timber cell boundary and we actually invoice those off based off the total areas.
11:15:03 That had been cut. So they need if they can only cut, we have this thing called payment security.
11:15:10 They can only cut what they paid for. It sort of protects the state from someone going in there and cutting and just walking away and we didn't get paid for the damages.
11:15:20 David is the scale sales like a short sale.
11:15:23 Yeah, that's a very similar payment process. The scale sales are thinning cells mostly. And that's based off removal because it's harder to, so like a lump sum sale, there's
not a lot of risk to the purchaser because you know that we gave them a boundary area we have a good idea of the cruise what's in there with scale cells a little bit harder to you know
manage that what's
11:15:50 what's actually out on the ground so there's a lot of risk for a purchaser because they it's just hard to determine the actual removals there.
11:15:58 So that's why we do a scale cell for thinning cells because it's very variable compared to sort of this lump sum.
11:16:04 Gotcha.
11:16:08 And then once all contractual obligations have been completed, which needs to be completed by the contract end date.
11:16:17 We go through a termination report, making sure that Timbers have been paid in full. We get everything back that we gave out to the purchaser such as ticket books.
11:16:26 If it was scale cell or branding hammers, we check the cutting boundaries, make sure everything was followed for our plan, whether it was a contract or the forest practice application.
11:16:37 We have our DNR engineers come and verify that all the work in the contract was done, whether it be road abandonment plans, decommissioning, making sure the roads were graded
and rock was added the roads after we hauled on them.
11:16:53 If there was public roads or public use areas, we have hazard. Abatement areas.
11:16:58 That need to be approved by an actual DNR fire forester to make sure that we have the brush biles pulled back to certain distance from a public road.
11:17:08 And then any kind of force practice application requirement. We bring a force practice forestry out there and make sure that we are standards of our timber cell have been met.
11:17:20 Once that's been completed, then we can release what we call the performance security that was a bond that put in place by the purchaser.
11:17:29 And then we move the cell to audit, which we hold the ID. The initial deposit of that timber cell until the audit's been completed and closed and then once that timber cell
has been through audit we send the ID or I guess if it's at O one we distribute that ID out.
11:17:52 And then finally, Just because the timber cell contract isn't is over doesn't mean our work doesn't stop.
11:18:03 The Silver Culture program takes over the standard timber from there and they're in charge of getting this stand replanted and what we call free to grow.
11:18:13 And start establishing a new stand in that area. So they take over. Pretty much immediately after they tried to get in early if they can and these activities that they they
do on the stand from day one until it gets to a commercial state, they have site preparation, which is to get the area ready for planting.
11:18:38 They plant, they come back a year later to see how the ceilings are doing. Like they do what they call survival studies.
11:18:46 So for example during the heat dome event a few years ago we saw a lot of issues with survival from our new seedlings that were planted in April and then we had the heat dome
I think was in June right.
11:19:00 So those trees were stressed out with not a lot of water. And we actually had a call, reschedule what we call inner plants come back and replant those areas.
11:19:10 And all this is get to what we call free to grow, which is actually a forced practice mandated by forced practices, not just on state lands but across.
11:19:21 You know, all 4 slants with laws Washington state if it's going to stay in timberlands it has to be a certain standard by I believe 3 years after harvest that there needs to
be trees established and growing and you know we're well on our way to re-establishing a new stand timber.
11:19:41 After that, we, we have release treatments if there's alder, or any kind of overtopping brush.
11:19:48 We, will schedule contracts to come in and slash. The alder or the brush, anything like that might be keeping, not so much alder, but the salmon berries or any kind of big leaf
maple, anything that's restricting the growth of what we wanted planted in that area.
11:20:08 We come in and slash with contract crews. And all again to get a stand established. And then, usually our next activities, which is tend to be about 10 to 15 years after planting
is what we call pre-commercial thinning.
11:20:22 So we plant all our, we target plant our, stands at about 300 trees per acre.
11:20:31 Normally over, you know, the course of, re-establishing the stand and just natural regrowth that number greatly increases.
11:20:41 And so we want to make sure that we don't have an overstock stand of timber and get those 2 where the trees are gonna have a lot of room, they don't compete with each other,
and we can get to, you know, get their canopies going and start seeing diameter growth and heights growth of those trees.
11:21:01 Alright. So yeah, DNR 101. That was a lot.
11:21:08 Yeah.
11:21:06 Really appreciate you taking this time, Dave. Says it's been it's a real education.
11:21:11 And I don't know if you noticed in the chat, but Commissioner Dean is. Surrounded by some some health issues right now and had to step away but will join us again as you can
but do you have any questions or comments?
11:21:24 Lot of it was a refresh for me and good to get deep dive on some of this stuff.
11:21:31 So I really appreciate the time. Yeah, thanks. I had one question for you, David. Or maybe it's for you and Drew.
11:21:34 Yeah.
11:21:36 I'm not sure if you were talking about the internal audit. And I guess I'm wondering in relation to the issue that Drew raised before about thefts that are happening on Penny
Wise and I'm sure you constantly deal with.
11:21:46 Is there is there a handoff of responsibility for this at all? As different. You know, you know, a logging company has control of that area right now.
11:21:56 I mean, if there's a leave tree cut. Are they do they have a responsibility to have another leave tree to replace it or I guess what's the interface of responsibilities through
the logging process?
11:22:07 So if it's a theft issue, it's not up to them. That it's up to us to go find that person and and take care of that.
11:22:16 So if we went out there and counted and said, hey, 3 lead trees are missing. And, you know, say it was a situation where the leave trees were in the very back of a cable setting
so we know nobody walked down there and cut them up.
11:22:31 And you can always tell if it's been firewood. Then it would be their responsibility and we would ask them to leave something somewhere else.
11:22:40 But But if it's, like in the case of Pennywise where it's a theft, it's not on the the purchaser to take care of it.
11:22:49 Gotcha. Okay.
11:22:47 That's that's for us to take care of. And then the internal audit that we go through at the end of the sale.
11:22:54 Is basically a financial audit. To make sure that you got paid and and all the billings were met and And then once it gets through that audit, they will.
11:23:06 They will issue the final payment so that will get transferred over to to the county. And then when that's done and all the other conditions are met.
11:23:16 We got to release the performance security, release the payment security. When all that's done, then the sales closed.
11:23:23 And then it's officially handed back. Well, it's handed back. It's handed to the region, but then that's kind of where Silvix.
11:23:30 The civil culture crew steps in and takes over.
11:23:35 Yep.
11:23:34 Gotcha. Thank you for that. Well, Joe, awfully nice to meet you, Drew and David.
11:23:39 Okay, I just want 1Â min of time if I could. So I know Mona had started these.
11:23:42 Please. Yes.
11:23:47 For presentations and I have to say I hope you found them very helpful. Because the the folks that we have an Olympic region in our lands department are very highly educated,
do the due diligence that is necessary and over and beyond.
11:24:06 So with these presentations. And the conclusion of them, I hope that you can certainly help spread the word of that diligence that's being done for state lands and DNR.
11:24:20 Yeah.
11:24:19 Absolutely. Oh yeah, 100%, Jill. Thank you. Now we've really appreciated them and I've it's all new information for me so I've learned an awful lot and I think it's really informed
how how constructive these briefings are are for me.
11:24:33 So I. Yeah, well.
11:24:34 We have a very professional staff here that we're all very proud of.
11:24:38 Soup pro for D and R's approach to forestry and you know, the policies you have in place and the, I know it's frustrating at times, but the the long road to get to a new sustainable
harvest calculation, that's really important work.
11:24:54 So. No, I have long valued Dnr's approach to. The lands you manage.
11:25:01 So, and I know, I know we have the best region, so yeah. Yeah.
11:25:02 Of course we do. Thank you for that. Hello, would agree, I sure did.
11:25:07 Yeah.
11:25:07 Yes, I do agree.
11:25:13 Okay.
11:25:10 So thank you for that. Thank you. So do you, I guess you didn't get anything.
11:25:19 Okay. Yep.
11:25:17 So I will resend those. Packets. To everybody. Yep.
11:25:20 Hey, Drew, Drew, I've sent them to everybody.
11:25:25 Okay.
11:25:30 Okay.
11:25:25 So, they'll get them. I send them 2 or 3 times, so hopefully somebody will get one.
11:25:30 Okay. And I know that we want to make sure that they're presented to the treasurer and the assessor too to the treasurer and the assessor too.
11:25:37 Stacy, I know you're with us, to the treasurer and the assessor, to.
11:25:40 Stacy, I know you're with us just give you one chance if there's anything you wanted to comment on or ask before we let these folks go back to their day.
11:25:43 Nope, good information. I tried to take snippets where I could and line things up. It looks to me like we've receded everything so far.
11:25:54 The only difference between, the report and what's in our general ledger is the 17,700 that came in Thursday.
11:26:07 Thanks.
11:26:06 Thanks, David.
11:26:05 Perfect. Okay. Do you want the actual spreadsheet, Stacy?
11:26:14 Thank you.
11:26:11 I love it when you do send it. It makes it a lot easier for me to to manipulate it to our format and and just confirm the numbers are what I've got.
11:26:25 Yeah.
11:26:22 Because you have a different You're not cash basis like we are, so we have a little bit over each year too. But thank you very much for the offer.
11:26:30 I appreciate it.
11:26:30 You bet I'll get that out today.
11:26:31 Thanks.
11:26:32 All right, thanks so much guys and we will let you get on with your I'm sure busy days and great to see you Mona we'll talk to you about other issues I'm sure soon as well.
11:26:41 That sounds good.
11:26:41 And, glad to have you in that role and nice to meet you, Jill. Thank you, David.
11:26:46 Thank you. Alright, well, carry on. Have a good day.
11:26:49 Thanks everyone. Bye guys.
11:26:51 Thanks.
11:26:50 Hey, Karen.
11:26:54 All right. Great. Well, without further ado, we'll, we'll welcome Eric and, and Monty.
11:27:03 I think we probably got room for both of you up at the table and talked about transportation. Planning and the tip.
11:27:07 Can I, I'm gonna run to the bathroom. We'll do a slow adjustment but not taking an official.
11:27:15 Yeah. I yeah, it's like me. I'm so, phone wary. For Kate, are you with us right now?
11:27:26 Oh, I guess we'll. Well, okay, great.
11:27:28 I am here. I'm gonna be in listening mode for a while if that's okay.
11:27:32 Okay, that's fine. Just wondering if we needed to recess well. Well, Heidi runs.
11:27:36 Down the hall. But we won't. We'll just.
11:27:40 Thank you.
11:27:47 Good morning, guys. Thanks for coming out today. Nope, just the hand out here. Okay.
11:28:00 So, Yeah, would you guys, would it be helpful to walk through that as you're going?
11:28:12 Right, the TIP was as included as part of the packet so anyone could follow along but not exactly what we're going over today.
11:28:19 Okay. Thank you. Great. No problem.
11:28:22 Right. So this we wanted to just. Discuss some of the upcoming project work in our department and kind of workload that we're facing and get your feedback.
11:28:33 This is not a TIP hearing or a TIP workshop, but we are using the draft TIP as kind of the basis of the conversation, but they'll be at least.
11:28:44 2 other looks at the TIP, you know, the transportation improvement program, the six-year transportation improvement program.
11:28:52 You know, before it's adopted, but as all of the county's departments are putting their budgets together that are due this month.
11:29:01 Certainly the The TIP is, you know, big part of the public works. Budget the first.
11:29:09 Year well 2 years since it's a biennial budget so it's pretty close.
11:29:16 In any case and then I know this afternoon after lunch And is that going to be at 1 30?
11:29:23 I think it is the hood canal, Salmon Enhancement Group, and a Jamestown tribe are coming in to discuss the.
11:29:29 Raised award that they got for a big bridge down in quill scene. So and we'll be here for that as well.
11:29:37 But that's just another unexpected project that's going to be on the department's plate to.
11:29:45 Somehow.
11:29:48 Manage or
11:29:52 You know, coordinate with that group as that. Project goes forward as well. So, yeah, we're a little concerned about the amount of work we have to do and the size of the department
we have to deal with.
11:30:05 They're all good projects and so we wanna you know do our best but of course on top of all the transportation work we have.
11:30:11 30 million dollar sewer. Yeah. Which, you know, that projects a little bit unique, you know, the typical transportation project you're dealing with maybe a couple adjacent property
owners for right away issues and then of course the traveling public but you usually reach out to the travel public through signage and press releases with the sewer.
11:30:31 It's One property owner, every property owner in the sewer service area, you know, and staff is having multiple meetings with all these property owners and things so consumed
a lot of time, you know, to do all this work.
11:30:48 In addition to
11:30:50 Doing all the normal construction related. Administration construction contract administration and inspections and things like that.
11:31:00 So a lot of work going on. You know, quite frankly, I could use. Our entire transportation group to help with the sewer but they're not available because they're working on
transportation projects.
11:31:12 And Eric will talk about some of the upcoming. Workload here, but I just wanted to tee it up.
11:31:21 That's why we're here just to again give you a briefing on kind of what we're up to and what we're.
11:31:26 Facing in the next couple of years and. I think everyone knows it's hasn't been exactly easy to find.
11:31:32 Staffing. For to manage all this this work either. We're still adding staff hopefully to our sewer group.
11:31:43 But, we pretty much had the same staff for a while now on our, on our transportation side.
11:31:51 Actually, I had an intern on our sewer this summer, which was kind of a first for us and great and I don't know if he'll be able to come back to work for us after he graduates
from college, but.
11:32:02 The hope is that doing stuff like that could encourage people to come back to the department. It's been a nice, program that way.
11:32:12 But Eric, do you want to kind of talk projects here and I'll move this microphone over to you.
11:32:20 So as Monty mentioned, this is in our, you know, we do our briefing that we do are hearing.
11:32:26 Sometimes we only do the hearing depending on how it all schedules out. Maybe that happens this year because we're doing this but which is the volume of you know the TIP is
the basis.
11:32:34 For the budget and just looking at the volume of work. We're a little concerned. And, and as you know, we, there's a list of bulleted construction projects and then bulleted
design projects.
11:32:44 That's our plan. It may or may not happen. We're still working on permits. We're still working on right away in some cases.
11:32:51 So inevitably something will shift and go to the next year. But as we go through the hearing process.
11:32:59 It's just good to know how, you know, get your feedback on how we're prioritizing this and.
11:33:04 Just know where it's. May not be manageable to deliver all these projects so someone's not going to be happy.
11:33:11 Yeah, so just so running down the list real quick we had that Jefferson County road departure project you guys don't do the bid openings with us anymore, we had that Jefferson
County road departure project.
11:33:24 You guys don't do the bid openings with us anymore, but that was pretty interesting. Our engineers estimate was about 572,000.
11:33:27 The low bid was 508,000. The second bid was, 700,000. Third bid was 980,000.
11:33:33 That was 1.2 million. I hope that low one was a good bid. And we had to reject the low one.
11:33:38 We moved up to the second one, which exceeded our funding, but then we went back to.in there apparently authorizing additional funding.
11:33:46 So, good solution, 100%. So that one, because it went out so late. We, we made a last-minute revision that extended the construction season into next year.
11:33:59 So now that we're going through this process to reward to the second low, we'll see what their schedule is, whether they want to bang it out this year or next year, but you
know.
11:34:07 Take staff. I'm assuming that's probably going to roll over into next year regardless. Nice.
11:34:14 Forgot exactly what does this mean? I don't know what road departure reduction project. Well, it was it's a we had to do a safety plan and out of that we use these funds before
but it replaces some 5 600 signs in the county road signs and then curved delineators and guardrail delineators just safety improvement, all the stuff we take for granted, all the stuff.
11:34:33 Everyone takes for granted. I mean, we get a lot of requests for signage, but you know, 500 signs, but you know, 500 signs, $500,000.
11:34:40 It's a thousand bucks a signage, but you know, 500 signs, $500,000. It's a thousand bucks a sign.
11:34:47 It's great to have a grant, a federal grant to pay for all this because, you know, this will replace a lot of old signage that's on wood posts are our standard now much like
many others is steel post upgraded prismatic sheeting from.
11:35:02 3 M typically, 42 inch. Deep, 12 inch diameter concrete base. So in the long run, it really helps because the new sheetings last a lot longer.
11:35:13 And by the way, there's a reflectivity standard we have to meet to be in conformance with federal guidelines.
11:35:20 Yep. And, but, you know, putting those. Those deep concrete bases in. They tend to hold the same signs of block straighter so we're not out maintaining them as much after storm.
11:35:37 So there's some cost savings down the road, but it's a it's a bigger task to put them in the ground than the old days with a post whole digger in a 4 by 4.
11:35:47 So, gotta get one on that stop sign down at 4 Corners or Anderson Lake Road that gets knocked over like right every week it seems like which here's a trivia fact for you the
state as actually responsible for maintaining the stop signs.
11:36:01 On county roads that approach state highways. Not that we won't go out and temporarily shore one up, but that's how it's always been on those but again.
11:36:16 People can never get enough assigns, but they cost a lot of money. What's the cost difference between a sign with a wooden a 4 by 4 and the steel post signs?
11:36:31 I don't have a number for you off hand, but just the whole process is cheaper to in material wise and cheaper to put in the ground.
11:36:39 But again, you often see them leaning over after a windstorm or a snowstorm or people steal them too for fence projects.
11:36:48 So and then you know if you have to send 2 guys all the way to the end of the coil road to replace a sign that's an expensive visit.
11:36:58 But, I don't, you know, I don't have a comparison off hand.
11:37:04 Anyway, sorry. I don't have this much time for every project. Fascinated by all this stuff, obviously.
11:37:10 So the next one list there is our favorite quote. Streets project that's still in the running.
11:37:16 It's all dependent upon right away as it has been. So if we can get that in the near future, you know, looking more promising recently, but good, we'll see.
11:37:27 No more business sales in the downtown car are allowed until the right of way is all done. Perfect. Yeah, Greg, Brotherton said.
11:37:34 Yeah, I've tried to desert my will there and successfully. So. The Olympic discovery trail, that's gonna be a huge project to accomplish 3 and a half miles down, you know, discovery
road and then through the property we acquired.
11:37:45 As it is that we're gonna have to try and find more staff because one person can't.
11:37:48 Manage I think that construction project. So I'm not sure maybe that's another. Good intern type project.
11:37:53 We'd find one, something like that. How many of the phases or the sub projects that were in that raise grant that Peninsula Trails got with the other entities.
11:38:05 Are tied to that Larry Scott trail to Anderson Lake State Park. Well, what do you mean? So the, is any of that work in the grant? No.
11:38:16 No, it all it's all beyond that. So they divided all the remaining sections I think into 4 plus the remaining sections I think into 4 plus the sound to Olympics.
11:38:23 I think it to 4 plus the. So they divided all the remaining sections I think into 4 plus the sound to Olympics.
11:38:25 So 5 and then I think there's 4 within the city of Port Townsend. So, that's all that's further down the list.
11:38:31 The Nailers Creek culvert projects. That's 2, 2 Coverts one on West Valley one on Gibbs Lake again one project manager I think that's manageable because the proximity they can
just bounce back and forth between the 2 sites.
11:38:43 Center road overlay, you know, overlays aren't tremendously complicated, but it will tie someone up for a while if we do that one next year, we get 100% funding on a What is
it?
11:38:55 1, 2 million dollar project something. So is that the one we give you some capital money? Yes.
11:39:00 So.
11:39:03 You may not need. Yeah, we'll see what that one. If we can do it next year.
11:39:10 Yeah, so important to try and push that one. Yeah, so important to try and push that one overlay substantially more than a try and push that one overlay substantially more than
a chip seal, right?
11:39:14 It's overlay substantially more than a chip seal, right? It's like, overlay substantially more than a chip seal, right?
11:39:16 It's like stripping it off and putting new stuff up. Interestingly on this one, instead of doing a standard overlay, we're gonna do something called mill and fill where we we
don't take out that you know it's got 8 foot paved shoulders which are generally in pretty good shapes.
11:39:26 Mail it down because there's enough asphalt base there currently and put new asphalt in so we don't good when we do that we end up having to build up the shoulders we do everyone's
driveways, etc.
11:39:36 So we'll just grind down and put a new asphalt and there's some cost savings there as well.
11:39:40 So does that mean that one lane is closed? They like. Lord's Lake loop slide repair.
11:39:49 That's, you know, that was, we were hoping to get that done before the current snow creek project.
11:39:54 It didn't happen. We were waiting on FEMA funding and that we're just trying to get off of one project to get someone else onto the project to get that repair done.
11:40:01 Shine road repair and you know, they were awarded the ARPA funds as well to do additional work down there.
11:40:10 Again, on the list. You gotta try and get it done. You know, and amongst all these other work.
11:40:14 You'll be aware that the money from ARPA. It has to be.
11:40:21 2024. Right. Well, we'd like to get the work done before then. I mean, I guess not the word, not the work, but at least get started.
11:40:29 You know, in terms of obligating, Thought I was already was obligated. Okay. Yeah, I'm not sure.
11:40:40 Again, raising R for funds for staff. On the sewer, there's no contract that We can demonstrate that.
11:40:46 . So got obligated and expended. Right. Expanded by the end of 26, right?
11:40:54 Correct. Yeah. Do you guys get FEMA funding for the Lord's Lake loop slide? Yes.
11:41:03 The project was deemed eligible for funding. You have to go through a lengthy process with FEMA to determine how much and for them to look at all your environmental documentation
and everything else before you actually get the money.
11:41:20 It took us. 6 years on that Culver project on Snow Creek Road to get.
11:41:26 To pull that all together.
11:41:30 So, yeah. We're getting reports that it's hard to hear you guys if you don't talk right into the microphone.
11:41:37 Sorry. Move forward. Swallow the. Sound check.
11:41:41 So yes, do they, to double down on Monty? We, we have funding. We just don't know what the amount is because we have to get the whole design done and then go back to FEMA with
it.
11:41:50 Same with Shine Road, that Gardner Beach Road, boat, boat ramp repair. It's just something we're partnering with the port on.
11:41:58 Doesn't take a lot of work from our folks just but still every one of these projects takes some time.
11:42:05 You know that's where we're. They're rebuilding the the boat ramp down there and then rebuilding the road.
11:42:09 So we're giving them some money towards the pavement to raising it up a little bit. It's going to take on it to the level.
11:42:14 Of the ramp at the top of the ramp basically. Exactly. Hell Roaring Creek Tributary that's a trout unlimited project they've been good partners.
11:42:24 They have a lot of projects currently though that we will get involved in. So. That's on the upper road.
11:42:32 You see. And then the last one there is the big quilting river bridge replacement, HC, James, I'm Scalalum project.
11:42:41 So and you guys are going to be hearing more about that this afternoon. And I just on that project.
11:42:46 Their estimate for construction is 18 million. That bridge is probably 50%. Longer bigger than the one that was built between Maraston Island and Indian Island.
11:43:01 The difference was of course that project over that. The North Olympic Salmon Coalition got funding for They partnered with wash dot on it and washed out did all the construction
of that bridge managed the contracts and the inspections and everything, but that is not.
11:43:20 Been arranged here for this bridge in Quill scene. You know we've watched as the hood canal salmon enhancement group worked on the designs for this bridge project down there
and as they've talked to the community about it and you know, 1 point they were talking about using Rogers Street, but then that became problematic.
11:43:40 So now the design is to put a bridge on linger longer and use Rogers only temporarily as a detour.
11:43:47 But I don't think anyone. Thought that the funding was going to happen this fast. Raised funding and tiger funding in the past has been highly competitive and difficult to get
but as we saw this round.
11:44:03 The tribe and HC got raised funding for this bridge. So suddenly that's accelerated. And then the trail coalition received raised funding for a lot of planning work for the
trail.
11:44:20 So all these projects. Have suddenly advanced in a big hurry, which is, you know, putting the pressure on to do.
11:44:27 Work we weren't really expecting to have. Hit us this fast. But should we take just a I'm glad that you guys are able to join us this afternoon and I don't want to be just buzz
kills with them and I don't want to be just buzz kills with them as they come excited about their project but can you talk about you know, not raising our hand to be washed out from
the kill us
11:44:44 at Harvard one, you know, here, but what. Like it has to get onto our transportation improvement plan.
11:44:50 Is that correct? What are the other kind of, you know, top line steps that public works at the minimum would need to do to be, you know.
11:44:58 Good partners in with this project. Yeah, as you mentioned, the first thing is to put that project.
11:45:04 It's a new bridge on a county road and be a new county bridge onto the six-year transportation improvement.
11:45:11 Program. Which it's on the draft program. We've added it now. We were told by Good canal, Sam, enhancement group in the past, not to because the funding hadn't been identified,
but that changed overnight with this raised funding.
11:45:26 So it'll be on there when the 6 year TIP is up for adoption. This fall.
11:45:34 You know, I think the they've designed it so it's primarily on existing right of way, but I don't know if they'll need some temporary construction easements from you know, any
property owners around there that's something that needs to be looked at.
11:45:53 But I think the Hey, I guess the biggest issue. For us is making sure that qualified knowledgeable team is put together to manage the construction contract and inspect all the
construction.
11:46:07 There is a lot that goes into a a bridge construction. Program which is why you know washed out puts several people out on these projects full-time typically.
11:46:19 And this is a big bridge. Like you said, it's at least half again longer than the one between Indian Island and Marston that was built.
11:46:29 That was about a 12 million dollars project. This is 18 plus. And, so you have deep foundations so you have to have your geotechnical engineers on there to make sure that it's
The foundations are installed properly.
11:46:45 Of course you have materials, inspections, all the reinforcing steel and concrete as they're installed have to be tested and inspected then you have The girders are made off
site, so you have fabrication inspection, which is typically done by the.at cost to the agencies.
11:47:07 So they're looking at all the all the steel and and and tensioning strands that are put in and then the concrete pores on these precast girders.
11:47:20 Obviously you'll have some soils. Work, some asphalt work. Guardrail and the like so there's and then you have a lot of submittals that the contractor does as they're getting
ready to build things so the engineers have to go through those submittals and approve the contractors.
11:47:38 Shop drawings essentially. So that takes, you know, lots of qualified. Engineers and people to be doing that are assumption is, but maybe we'll hear more this afternoon.
11:47:52 The the engineer of record is a consultant. TAC, they do good work. That our expectation will be that they.
11:48:04 Are either monitoring the construction themselves or that. They're involved enough that they can. Certify that every component.
11:48:12 And step of the use to construct this bridge is in accordance with their plans and specifications. So that in the end they can say, yeah, this bridge was built, you know, correctly.
11:48:23 You know, because this is going to be a county bridge that we own and operate and inspect on any really basis.
11:48:31 Exactly. It has to have a load rating and all of that. So you know, it's, there's just a lot that goes, goes into a You don't just sit back and tell the contractor to call you
when it's done.
11:48:44 You know, I mean, I'm sure any of us who maybe have I've worked with contractors to build homes or do other projects.
11:48:52 You know, we're right, you're right there. As project built to make sure things are going the way you want it to go.
11:48:57 And so same thing here. And those from public works perspective, that's probably the biggest.
11:49:07 You know, requirement is that qualified people are on this project as it's being built. I think there's still some public outreach that probably has to occur as well.
11:49:17 You know, I don't think anyone probably expected this project to happen this fast in the community either and for the disruptions temporary.
11:49:26 Disruptions for a year maybe that will. Occur as a result of the project. You know, so there's just some steps to go.
11:49:35 And then, you know, there will have to be a an agreement of some sort between the parties, the county.
11:49:42 The hood canal salmon enhancement group, the Jamestown tribe who got the funding, the raise funding.
11:49:48 About roles and responsibilities and recourse for, you know. In the unlikely event that someone. Doesn't follow through on something they've committed to.
11:50:01 So it will take.
11:50:06 Significant time. We've built bridges with the Hood Canal salmon enhancement group before, small ones, single span bridges.
11:50:13 And we've done a lot of fish passage work with partnerships. So it can be a good thing, but, you know, we've always had.
11:50:21 A lot of involvement from our staff on these projects as they've been built and and now we have a bridge that's essentially 7 bridges strung together.
11:50:33 Because they're spanning, you know, how many feet? I forget 5, 600 feet of flood plain with this bridge, you know.
11:50:44 So, you know, ultimately it's a it's a good thing to. But there's, some
11:50:53 There's a lot of coordination that will have to occur. And again, that
11:50:58 That put strain on our group. To find time for that with all this other project work so say about the levees and all the other ancillary prop parts of this project, right?
11:51:08 Yeah, and I didn't mention that. I mean, the ultimate goal of that project is, you know, this much longer bridge and then to set back the north.
11:51:17 Or remove the North Levy, that will require additional property acquisitions that haven't occurred yet, you know, they're still properties that need flood protection on the
north side, but and so I don't know what their scheduler plan is for that phase of the project because these have typically been on a willing seller basis and we've been working on
it various groups for 25 years now.
11:51:45 But you can't. Predict the pace of that. Part of the project, right? And so.
11:51:56 But, you know, the goal is good right now in flood events. You've got a river that's running by 8 feet higher than the surrounding properties.
11:52:07 It's barely contained between those levees at the linger longer bridge. In fact, they've stacked.
11:52:11 Concrete blocks on top of the levees to gain some additional freeboard there. It's barely making it under that bridge.
11:52:19 You know, there's a Lettered to a clearance and you're looking down at houses on the primarily on the south side where most of the houses are.
11:52:30 So, you know, in the long run, the larger bridge and and opening up of the flood plain, bring that water level down and provide.
11:52:40 Protection for the remaining developed properties on the south side but And the impetus of the project is. More salmon habitat.
11:52:52 You know, they'll have to tell you about. That part of it. I'm more interested in the flood part of it, quite frankly.
11:53:02 I mean, there's a hatchery up that river as we know. So half mile. I don't think there's any shortage of.
11:53:07 Certainly coho on that river, perhaps they're targeting a different species that uses the lower reach of the river, I guess.
11:53:15 But. But I've been around for 25 years to see the flood impacts and was around for the very first you know, flood, plan that was developed there.
11:53:25 Which essentially said
11:53:29 Willing seller property buyouts are the way to go here because you know it You've got people living in the flood plain and and protecting that property is really expensive.
11:53:42 This county there are no. Flood districts collecting an assessment for. Flood hazard protection anywhere in this county.
11:53:51 And and it wouldn't pencil out even if they there were right there's not enough people to Have a meaningful assessment and flood district.
11:54:02 So that that was why 25 years ago the county and fish and wildlife began purchasing properties out on this flood plane.
11:54:09 So this bridge project's an extension of all that work, you know, that's been going on for a long time.
11:54:16 Thanks for digging into that a little bit. I hope you're going to come on Wednesday to get your 25 year pen too. It's quite. Yeah.
11:54:28 It's been a interesting quarter of a century.
11:54:30 We're grateful. Monty. Yes. Well, I've enjoyed the variety of work and meeting.
11:54:37 People all over this county. I mean, I think it's very interesting, you know, all the way out to the mouth of the whole river and And, and, and all the way down to.
11:54:48 You know, Mason County and It's a huge variety of work. It's really interesting.
11:54:56 Working here. And of course now we have a sewer project which next year is going to be. The big year on that project.
11:55:07 But the bidding and awarding the the treatment plant and the collection system. Late this year, so we'll be heavy into the work next year and into 25 and then late 25 and beyond.
11:55:22 More and more connections of the. Properties. Throughout the phase one sewer area, but take a moment to talk about the groundbreaking come up.
11:55:31 That's tomorrow, isn't it? I think it's a mark. I've tried that. It's a clap.
11:55:36 Tried to stay away from that as far as possible because you can only have so many in the kitchen.
11:55:42 Right. Yeah, there's there's be welcoming our. Funding agencies and those who've helped us acquire funding for that project as well as property owners who sold us the property
to make this project a reality and and people have been involved with the design and what have you to.
11:56:03 I mean, we're a month and a half into construction, but this is sort of a. Ground breaking, right?
11:56:11 Acknowledgement that the sewer project is actually started. So, yeah, it is. And we're lucky that we got some.
11:56:20 Great people and our team just in time. Well, I would say not in time, but. Before it was too late, Samantha Harper, John Black.
11:56:29 Bob Wheeler, Dave Peterson and others that are.
11:56:34 They were all in a meeting with the engineers when I left the office to come over here. It's almost daily trying to wrap up the design so we can get the those big components
out to bid.
11:56:45 Right. I mean, a project like that. I mean, you've got sewer equipment, you've got the basic thing, buildings, you know, pipes and stuff.
11:56:53 You have computer. Programming that we have to have people build us. Computer systems for this, you know, so that all the components within the treatment plant talk to each
other and things like that.
11:57:05 So there's. It's not just plug in some pipes together. There's a lot.
11:57:11 To building a sewer. Treatment plant. Very interesting though. Luckily the company we're working with has this in their first rodeo so they I can probably help with that, right?
11:57:26 Yes. And I think a really good choice to break the project up into components so we have contractors that are working on their specialty instead of one giant contract from maybe
contractors from.
11:57:39 Out of the area, you know, we have a local contractor doing the earthwork phase, which I think saves money and, spreads the work around and and has been a good thing.
11:57:51 So, That was a that was a strategic choice that I think was a wise one.
11:58:01 Eric, you were going to talk a little bit more about some of the design work coming up as well, I think.
11:58:06 Yeah, I think I can run through through these really pretty fast. The instruction is really the big chunk of work and whatnot that is a little disconcerting.
11:58:15 But the little cool scene river bridge replacement is a nearly 6 million dollar 100% funded project but it's time sensitive on getting the.
11:58:22 Funds spent so need to keep moving on that north and south segments that rode drive project we have a open house Wednesday on that north side.
11:58:32 So we'll see how that. Progresses. The Olympic Discovery Trail Raise Project.
11:58:37 Great. We talked about that earlier. 5 pieces and parts, not. Work that we had.
11:58:44 Logged into our work plan, so kind of caught us a little off guard. Put in about 500,000 next year.
11:58:50 It'll likely be largely consultants, but we'll still have to have someone managing that, you know, which will not be a small piece of work.
11:58:59 Still waiting to see on how that, that raised grant agreement works. Portangelis is taking the lead and then somehow they'll be these pass through funds that come to us.
11:59:11 So with they talking about having like a contractor that all the different Stakeholders could use for their design work so you can have 1 one agent one entity working with you
know Jefferson County representatives on the Jefferson County Park in K.
11:59:27 They're talking about maybe having the last I heard was maybe 3 consultants. 2 who would be like dedicated design consultants and maybe a third that would be a dedicated admin
type consultant and then we could use those resources however we chose so but then you have to go through.
11:59:39 Many cooks in the kitchen trying to nail down who those consultants are. I imagine for that kind of money, there's gonna be a lot of competition for it.
11:59:48 So. We'll see how that all plays out. I don't imagine it's going to be time consuming.
11:59:53 So, and then they have, I don't know, you've probably seen the application, they have those different what they call I think components and they have a schedule for each component.
12:00:01 So it all makes sense. I mean, one of the projects that was on there is one that we were gonna have on the on the TIP this year anyway so that's a great win for us I don't have
to go and get that funding it's already gotten.
12:00:12 So. That's good. That's the, the old highway 9 gardener section of trail, right?
12:00:17 So.
12:00:19 Upper Whole Road, Spruce Creek Megation. That's just a project that came out of a washout that we had years ago that we just keep.
12:00:26 Kind of string along trying to figure out how to figure out the permitting on your bridge. We applied for those.
12:00:33 I anticipate will be successful, but we don't know yet. So again, that'll be a hundred percent Fed aid project.
12:00:38 Next 3 projects are flat projects so you guys know about those they've been going on for a while you know, Western federal lands does a good job of managing that, but we're
still having monthly meetings on all of those projects.
12:00:50 So. Again, all this stuff adds up. Then the next 3 are tried unlimited projects also try to limit it's been a good partner, but again frequent meetings.
12:00:59 With them and their consultants and It takes time. Tuckabush Estuary Restoration Realignment Project is a huge project been going on for a long time.
12:01:08 They're pretty much self propelled, but we just had a, you know, an hour long meeting with them last week.
12:01:14 They check in maybe quarterly with us. It has impacts to the County road and parking lot. It'll be a it'll be a good project but again a huge project.
12:01:25 And then additionally, we have, you know, that's in addition to Construction Project Design Projects, Development Review is a is a constant need road maintenance projects doing
things that aren't on our capital plan.
12:01:36 Bridge inspections, grant applications, so on and so forth. So, and down at the bottom there, then I just mentioned with with 4 project managers, one right away representative
myself.
12:01:46 And then on the sewer end it's you know the 2 full-time staff 2 part-time staff and intern and Monty.
12:01:52 So It's just a lot of work. I don't need that. It will help, but yeah.
12:02:00 What capacity do we need to add to get this level of work done? I mean, how? I mean, the raised grant.
12:02:09 They said, well, city of Portange is hiring more people, but we've been advertising for positions for years and we haven't done application so it's hiring more people but we've
been advertising for positions for years and we haven't gone applications for years and we haven't gone application for positions for years and we haven't gone application.
12:02:22 So It's I don't even know if that's the right question So. Yeah, and another concern is some of our project managers are.
12:02:28 Getting near retirement. I know our right away representative will be leaving at the end of the year. And that was a position that took us, couple years to or more to fill.
12:02:43 She's been. Fantastic and potentially could do some part time work for us but you know the housing thing once again makes it really challenging to attract qualified talent here
to to do the Do you think that's the biggest barrier is the birth of housing?
12:03:02 Well, I think competitive wages, competitive wages, which basically People are. I mean, if you have a lower cost of living, you can.
12:03:13 Have a little lower salary rate too, but we all know that's not the case here, right?
12:03:19 I mean the cost of living is one of the highest in the state, you know, number so people.
12:03:24 Why would someone come to work here? To make less money and then pay more for a house than they could somewhere like in Kidsap County.
12:03:33 You know, people used to say, well, it's because Jefferson County is so beautiful and everything.
12:03:37 Well, I mean, that's what got me here, but that only works up to. Point.
12:03:43 It's, we all know it's, really hard to find a house and certainly not.
12:03:48 Find one affordably is. Almost impossible. So, So yeah, I mean, you know, half of our sewer team is.
12:03:57 Is retired people. And it's great that they're willing to come work for us part time, but,
12:04:08 It's a challenge, you know. Some people hear this. Lament complaint and go, well, don't consultants just do everything and it's like, wow, they, they do everything badly if
you don't have someone.
12:04:23 Really good to manage them. Some consultants are better than others, but they they are not as silver bullet.
12:04:32 Typically plugging consults in to do specific steps of a project. Where they Excel, but they're not.
12:04:40 Typically looking at the big picture. You're not aware of. The environment of the community they're working in.
12:04:52 They don't know the people. They try to apply what worked in Seattle to. Over here things like that that that's what the staff's doing and the staff is doing all the funding.
12:05:06 Work as well, getting the funding, managing those grants and things like that. We do all the construction.
12:05:15 Administration without consultants. We did it with consultants once. First experience I ever had in my life.
12:05:22 And then I had 2 problems on my hand instead of just one, you know, so. Consultants used.
12:05:29 Properly the proper consultant used properly is a great help. But not a silver bullet to solve all your problems for sure.
12:05:39 So, you know, The today we're just letting you know what's going on.
12:05:47 We're not asking you to take any action or. Make any decisions but. To be I guess to understand where we're coming from.
12:05:55 As we try to manage this workload. And, you know. We hear a lot from people about what we're not doing.
12:06:07 I think those same people don't know what we are doing, you know. We're not sitting around waiting for work or something to do.
12:06:16 We're out doing a lot of important projects. You've got one waiting for work or something to do. We're out doing a lot of important projects.
12:06:21 You've got one, as you know, in your neighborhood that most people in this county don't know we're doing, right?
12:06:24 But it's a big project. A big project. So, yeah, that's.
12:06:31 Oh, I had today will be back in the afternoon. Okay, glad looking to join us this afternoon and really appreciate the the kind of the update and the the preamble for the hearing,
the tip hearing this coming fall, but yeah, really helpful and appreciate all the work, you know, and new and and old areas that Public Works is.
12:06:50 Is pushing forward on. Yep. Alright, thank you. Alright.
12:06:55 Great. Good to see you guys and our little past time. Thanks for bearing with us and we will recess until 1 30.
12:07:01 Back then with, with the Raised Bridge Grant stock.
12:07:08 Looking forward.
13:30:36 Great. Okay. Well, recordings going. Everyone's here.
13:30:41 So I will call this meeting of the Board of County Commissioners back into session on this 20 first day of August.
13:30:46 We're joined by Randy Johnson from the James Towns Club and Tribe as well as Gus Johnson from the Hood Canal Sammut Enhancement Group.
13:30:54 Tammy Pcorny is in the room too. Thanks for setting up the agenda request, but I think this is really Gus and Randy your show.
13:31:04 You know, we're excited about the Raise Grant for the Linger Longer Bridge. You guys want to walk us through the project?
13:31:08 I'm not sure. Exactly what we're talking about except that it's it's upon us.
13:31:13 So let's start talking about it.
13:31:14 Hey, Greg, can I answer for just 1Â s to give some context and I'm unfortunately I have to hop off for a medical equipment too but Randy and Gus nice to meet you I don't think
we've had a chance to meet yet.
13:31:27 But I am joining, maybe one or 2 of you are going to be on the tour tomorrow with federal agencies and staff from our federal delegation.
13:31:35 And I would love to hear if there are particular points that you would like. Need to know and to, you know, kind of get burst on and reiterate tomorrow in the tour.
13:31:45 So just if I could add that little bit of context, it would be really helpful.
13:31:49 Yeah, great. We'll do Kate and yeah, I'll be out there tomorrow. So we'll, we'll see out there and close.
13:31:56 Anyway, so I guess you had to get started. Hello everyone, Guess, Jonathan, who can't see an enhancement group.
13:32:04 And, yeah, like Greg mentioned, we're really excited. We just received this $25 for 25 million dollar raise grant which actually you all wrote a really great layer support for.
13:32:15 So thanks so much for doing that. And yeah, we're really excited. To finally be able to start, you know, building this project.
13:32:23 We've been working on it for. Over a decade at this point, so. Yeah, really big milestone here to find the deal of great ground.
13:32:29 So. Now that it is upon us, we figured, you know, it'd be great to chat with you all.
13:32:34 Make sure that we're all up to speed on the same page with things going forward. So, that's why we're here.
13:32:43 So I'll turn it over to Randy here. We've got a quick little slide show to present.
13:32:48 Like I say, just get everybody kind of on the same page and then we'll be able to discuss, any questions you might have directly after.
13:32:57 Sounds good.
13:33:11 Hi, generally use keyboard shortcuts.
13:33:17 But those don't necessarily work. When you're sharing. So I'm kind of fumbling my way through this.
13:33:27 Any,
13:33:31 Yeah.
13:33:32 Okay, I think we're getting closer.
13:33:34 Thanks, yep.
13:33:38 From start from beginning. Yep.
13:33:39 There we go.
13:33:43 Are we all seeing a nice full screen of the Big?
13:33:48 Yep.
13:33:49 Yeah, looks great, Randy.
13:33:52 Thank you. Honorable commissioners. Thank you for the opportunity. To present the BigQuisine River, linger longer, bridge replacement, and flood plain restoration project.
13:34:10 And I'll just add that Monty and Eric from our Public Works department joined us as well.
13:34:15 They're in the room.
13:34:15 Oh, that's great.
13:34:18 This is an overview of the project site. Quill scene and linger longer river heading down the hill and a crosses the flood plain.
13:34:29 Crosses the river.
13:34:34 And. And another view of the river. And the flood plain. So there is a
13:34:45 There is a 1,000 foot wide.
13:34:50 What flood way? Between the South Side Levy. And the north side edge. Of the flood plain.
13:35:01 And, and that is all spanned. By an 81 foot long bridge. And so. So how does that work?
13:35:14 Well, not not very well actually. It's not enough bridge. For the amount of flood plane and the amount of water that travels through here.
13:35:26 So, a longer road, head south. And connects to this area down here. And there's quite a bit there.
13:35:35 Residential areas. Marina, the shellfish hatchery, the bolt launch and of of particular importance to the 3 tribes, the Skoko mesh, the pork, gambles, claws, and the jam sounds
columns are the shellfish beds.
13:35:52 Also important to the commercial shell fishers and And the public. So, and so these.
13:36:02 Are some really, really valuable areas that are accessed solely by Lender Longer Road.
13:36:13 Here's wintertime view without all the The green foliage on the trees, the big quill scene river running through the flood plain and out to the bay.
13:36:24 And so there's there's the floodplain. And. On the upper right is a photo of Lingeronger Road.
13:36:35 Hey, in 2 days after Christmas, 2022. Pretty typical view of what happens down there on Linger longer road.
13:36:48 So all of the areas that we just viewed. Are officially cut off at this point. You can't drive back and forth.
13:36:55 Doesn't matter if there's a medical emergency or a big You know, cargo of Shellfish just about the ship from the hat tree or whatever.
13:37:07 There's no, no connection. Oh, and also I should, I should say that if there are any questions.
13:37:16 That the commissioners have, please just interrupt me and will. Address them right there, right then and there.
13:37:24 Thanks, Randy.
13:37:26 So, to this sad situation have actually been studied and planned going all the way back to the early 2,000.
13:37:41 S and initially it was a county public works department. And Project to Do, to evaluate the current conditions.
13:37:49 And consider ways of making things better for the infrastructure, public safety, and also for the environment. And after this long process.
13:38:01 That eventually was a adopted by the hood canal, same enhancement group. What we've landed on and what we actually have money now to construct is this.
13:38:13 1,040 foot long bridge see it actually extends south of the of the river a little ways and that is so that in the future If.
13:38:26 There's talk of maybe setting back the South Side levy. There will be room to do that too.
13:38:32 And then included in the project is the construction of a newly renatured river channel. Following roughly the course of the 1883 River Channel that ran through the flood plain.
13:38:51 So here's a view looking more or less upstream at the proposed bridge. And then you'll see.
13:38:59 This mysterious label, potential South Side Set Back Levy. And I'm gonna have a few words to say about that as we go along because that's a potential feature of the project.
13:39:13 It's not a given that there will be a South S back levy, but. There might be.
13:39:21 It's a project element that actually has been designed and we have the money to construct it. We just don't know if there is.
13:39:31 Is the will and the means to maintain it once it's constructed. So we'll get into all those details here in just a second.
13:39:42 You're gonna love this bridge. It. Spans that entire floodway. It's not ever gonna be underwater.
13:39:54 It's got plenty of room on either side of the traffic lanes for pedestrians, the 4 foot bike, bike lane.
13:40:06 Along with these 7 and a half foot. Walk in bike lane which will accommodate the Cuisine Art History and Culture Trail.
13:40:18 So here's the general. Project layout the location of the new linger longer bridge. And the bridge span is the.
13:40:28 Is the area in sort of the like turquoise.
13:40:34 It'll take about a year and a half to construct this thing. And during that time, we're proposing to detour the traffic down Rogers Street.
13:40:45 And across a temporary bridge and then back to linger longer on Munsey Avenue.
13:40:54 Oh, here they just jumped into the photo is that pesky setback levy. That's where the setback levy.
13:41:02 May or may not be. So why, why, why a setback levy? How'd that get into the equation?
13:41:11 This was.
13:41:15 December 20 seventh Oh, I said 2023 in my label here. That was meant to be 2022.
13:41:23 It could look like this in 2023 also. Hard to say this was not an outrageously infrequent.
13:41:32 Hi, flow event. That happened last December. On the dungeon as it was a 1.5 year flood.
13:41:41 I don't know what the reoccurrence interval was on the big. But here's this cinder block wall.
13:41:47 Up at the location of the proposed. Set back levy. So the setback levy. Would be built landward of this thing and would replace this.
13:41:59 This, this very dubious. Infrastructure. And this is on. Good canal, SAM enhancement property.
13:42:09 This was here when they bought the property. It's still there. Yeah, they may still be here.
13:42:17 5 years from now, who knows? But this is the area downstream. Of of that. Of that single block wall.
13:42:31 Which which ultimately ties into a rather substandard levy system on south side of the river. So, so these are properties on south side of the river except I think the one and
the lower left is on the north side of the river.
13:42:48 But, but this is the reality out there.
13:42:54 So here's a relative elevation model based on the 2,019 topo bathy lidar flight based on the 2,019 topo bathy lidar flight that the canal, the lidar flight that the canal, same
enhancement group did.
13:43:06 And these the elevations are. Are differentiated by color. So the lowest elevations you see out here are the It's like indigo.
13:43:19 Black. And those are the deep spots in the river. Those are the lowest elevations. The top of the LIDAR penetrated down to the bed of the river.
13:43:31 And then as you go up in elevation, you go into the blues and the greens and then you ultimately hit the browns and the reds are the highest elevation.
13:43:42 So where the cinder block wall is shown here, the arrow. You can see that's pretty low.
13:43:50 And so that's why the water was splashing over it back in December. Then you can also see that down.
13:43:59 About where Ledville ties in to linger longer, man. That's really low too. So that represents a heck of a gradient.
13:44:07 If the river were to blow through at the cinder block wall. And the river not only would flood the heck out of Munsey Avenue, Rogers Street, Hamilton, Ledville, Linger longer.
13:44:20 But there's a potential it could maybe even a volts. In other words, then the whole river channel is just merrily running.
13:44:28 Running down through that area and out to the bay. The way that it used to do at Dan Newman's log yard that.
13:44:35 In the 19 early 1990.
13:44:40 So that's the idea behind constructing a setback levy here. To prevent that from ever happening.
13:44:50 And the setback levy has been designed. I don't think Monty has seen the design, the public works department.
13:45:00 I don't know if they've necessarily seen the design of the setback levy. And as vulnerable reaches, it's heavily fortified with rip rap.
13:45:08 The toe is nice and deep. It would be meant to. Seriously do the job and the low maintenance.
13:45:18 The new river channel will cut through right about where the label is. It says, cinder block wall.
13:45:25 So the main river will be heading north at that point and getting out into the heart of the flood plain.
13:45:33 So there won't be as much pressure. Here as there was. There has been for however many years.
13:45:39 So maybe, you know, the setback levy will not be as badly needed in the future as it would be like right now.
13:45:48 But anyway, that's the story with the setback. Let me, that's about what it would look like on the ground.
13:45:54 Most of the sun hood canals and enhancement property. And then it hits the county's property.
13:46:02 There at the. Roger Street right away.
13:46:07 And so the issue with the setback levy. Zip the tribe is willing to construct this.
13:46:17 The problem is Who? Who takes responsibility for it? Going forward, the tribe doesn't. Doesn't want to be on the hook.
13:46:30 To come down in perpetuity and do maintenance work on set back levy. In 2021 we constructed 5,000 feet of federal setback levy on the Dungeons River.
13:46:44 Levy that will contain flows to the 10,000 year flood level. But we do not have any. Maintenance responsibilities on that levy.
13:46:55 We built it on our on our dime. We designed it and built it in the core of engineers in the county signed off on it.
13:47:03 And now we're done with it. I suspect the same enhancement group would feel the same way.
13:47:12 They're not in the, you know, flood hazard abatement business. They designed the levy, they helped get the money to build it.
13:47:19 But then somebody's got to take it on for long term maintenance. And that's where we're kind of stuck at the moment.
13:47:31 So that's why the SET back levy is a maybe. At this point.
13:47:36 And Randy, what would be the consequences if the if the setback levy doesn't have, someone to take care of it in perpetuity and I mean how would that impact a larger project
if the setback levy.
13:47:48 Wasn't built. I mean, you said it might not be necessary. Is it would it be a leader phase?
13:47:53 I guess can you just kind of dive into that a little bit more?
13:47:56 Yes, thank you. I
13:48:02 We have money in the raise grant to construct it now.
13:48:08 And it it makes sense in the overall context of the project. To, you know. Eliminate.
13:48:19 Many of the flood hazards down there provide a truly climate and flood resilient crossing of the flood plain, which we're definitely going to do.
13:48:38 Imagine.
13:48:31 Makes sense to address What I perceive as a A need? Out there because the cinder block wall is really low and water gets over it.
13:48:47 So why not fix things now? Bill the setback levy. The consequences of then just walking away and not maintaining the levy.
13:48:58 It may not need any maintenance in the next 50 years. It's really hard to say it's designed.
13:49:06 To be ultra low maintenance. The next, you know, we could get into the next century without it.
13:49:12 Ever requiring a bit of maintenance. Or the river could start ploughing into it, working at the toe.
13:49:20 Riprap could start slumping down and it might need some more rip rap placed on it.
13:49:26 Or whatever, the river will have the entire north flood plane to get into so it shouldn't. Be ploughing into this setback levy with huge force.
13:49:38 But you know, you never know. And at that point. If it starts to become undermined in the future.
13:49:45 Then it would either get. Repaired? Or it could potentially fail. At some point.
13:49:54 So I guess those are the consequences of it not being maintained is that someday It could potentially fail, like, you know, like anything, I guess.
13:50:07 Thank you. You want to come up, Bonnie? You're welcome to Interjectory.
13:50:13 We got Monte Rinders, our county engineer. Lots to say about this too, so please.
13:50:19 Yes, do you have questions, to? Bring in the informed questions, Monty. Well, so far, Randy's done a great job of, describing the project and the history out there and the photos
are great.
13:50:30 So the you know, I think it's obvious that There's some flood potential there from those photos and everything and.
13:50:38 You know, a levy could be a good idea to help protect. That neighborhood in the issue of maintenance.
13:50:47 I don't know who's maintaining the one on the dungeon nest that he referred to.
13:50:50 And he's right, we haven't seen the plans for this levy, but yeah, I can imagine what it probably looks like.
13:50:56 But,
13:50:59 Everyone looks to the county and then the county looks to public works when it comes to flood control. But.
13:51:05 The issue is. There is no flood funding. In this county. I mean, there you.
13:51:12 You can't use the road fund, which is the bulk of the public works money to go work on flood protection projects out in the hinterlands.
13:51:20 So that really leaves you with the general fund or maintenance of flood structures or forming a flood district but you're not going to have very many people you know paying
into that flood district so you know, it'll be a decision if the county is asked to maintain this, then the county's gotta realize.
13:51:39 What the funding source is going to be should there be a need for maintenance on this levy and it's you know, maybe.
13:51:48 Some years ago, people just grab money from public works, but you really can't use the road fund for.
13:52:09 Hmm.
13:51:55 Non right away. Flood protection and we have issues the county residents have issues with flood protection in lots of areas where this question is repeatedly come up, We're
not maintaining those levees.
13:52:12 That's not that the county wouldn't go in in a dire emergency and and do something to protect life and property, but.
13:52:20 There is no funding for that kind of work short of the general fund or then seeking reimbursement. Or FEMA.
13:52:30 So it's not that I'm not saying we the county shouldn't. Consider this obviously there could be some real benefits here but There's not a magical public works.
13:52:39 Funding source for something like that. So, Just something to. No, as we.
13:52:48 Go forward. Thinking about this. But obviously that cinder block wall. Is pretty.
13:52:56 Pretty minimal there. From that photo. So, and who built that?
13:53:04 Well, the hit canal salmon enhancement group bought that property from someone who lived there for years and built that to protect their house essentially, but it's kind of
protected the whole neighborhood.
13:53:16 But now they're not there to maintain it because the, you know, the house is gone and everything.
13:53:22 So, And, yeah, there you go. That was kind of their back. Patio as I recall.
13:53:33 So anyway, that's, the lay of the land out there. And I'll let Randy continue with this.
13:53:40 Randy, can you do you have any more information about how the example you cited in DUNCANS pays for that, you know, levy maintenance.
13:53:46 For who's the agency.
13:53:46 Yes, that is the responsibility of And they, they are the local spawner. For that big federal project.
13:53:59 Which was actually constructed in 1964. So the tribe built a new levy, a mile of levy.
13:54:08 To replace a mile. Of the 1964 levy. But in a different place. It's set back pretty far from the river so that the river can now get into its flood plain.
13:54:23 And so the maintenance response ability, which. Have always been with the county remained with the county. And so, and so that's why, why the tribe could say, yeah, we will
build it.
13:54:38 And we, we did. But we're not on the hook. To forever more. Do any maintenance out there.
13:54:47 Thanks.
13:54:47 But, and so that's where this is very different. And Monty, thank you for the great background and for all the details I know that the candy does get drawn into.
13:55:01 Flood related responses like especially down on the whole and I think the bogus yield And I don't know if you're able to fund that using emergency monies or how that happens.
13:55:14 But I also definitely appreciate Monty's reticence. To just willy-nilly take on the responsibility for some.
13:55:24 Here to for I. You know, unmandated. I need.
13:55:34 Well, and in Randy's right, this levy may not need much maintenance, but you never know.
13:55:40 So, you know, on the We're protecting our county road. We're not doing flood per plane.
13:55:47 We're not. Trying to redirect the flood plane. We're trying to keep a road from falling into the river and typically we can't get any emergency reimbursement unless we've actually
had the road fall in the river.
13:56:01 There's no preemptive type monies and and because of the national park up there we've been able to we've been very fortunate.
13:56:11 It's not a guarantee. To receive federal highways reimbursement. Again, federal highways, they wouldn't.
13:56:19 Reimburse the county for. But because it's a because it's a road leading to a national park some other roads on oil city we've at times receive FEMA reimbursement.
13:56:36 Again, we have to have the road actually fall into the river first before we're eligible and then we can.
13:56:41 Put it back. We're still waiting to receive reimbursement from FEMA for work we did in 2,015.
13:56:47 On the oil city road and we're not any closer today than we were in 2,015.
13:56:53 The rivers no longer. Even within sight of that location. It's moved a half mile across the valley now and you can't see it from the road but 5 years ago, it was right there
and it took out the road and the residents were trapped for a couple weeks.
13:57:09 While we rebuilt it. So Again, the funding for this would likely have to come. From somewhere else within the county rather than just, you know.
13:57:23 Public Works doesn't have a magic public works fund. We have the road fund. We have the Solid Ways Fund and now we have a sewer fund.
13:57:31 And of course the general fund pays for. 90% of the parks maintenance work that we do. I don't know the example of the Dungeon S they may have a flood district over there that
the county is using to.
13:57:46 Fund that. That commitment to that levy, I, I don't know.
13:57:53 But a levy is not a bad idea here. Don't get me wrong. I mean, we can all see what looks like.
13:58:02 Do you have any experience with this from Clark County and Columbia River any other rivers in Clark County?
13:58:08 Not with Levi's. Microphone, Mark.
13:58:12 The levees in Clark County were along the banks of the Columbia, which involved the city of Vancouver.
13:58:20 And and and And there is diking along the river, but the county had no role in maintaining it.
13:58:28 Skadget County probably has the biggest. Presence when it comes to that with flood districts in Mount Vernon, you know, along along the Skagu River, perhaps WATCOME for the
Knucksack River as well.
13:58:41 But again, flood districts to. Fun those. On those. So again, Not a decision that has to be made today, but it's something that people need to think about where the money is
going to come from if maintenance were to be needed in the future?
13:59:02 Yeah, and construction methods would have a bearing on how much maintenance would be required. I know some of them are center blocks.
13:59:09 Let me see.
13:59:10 That way some of them are, some of them, they're earthen, they're grass covered, they need to be mowed.
13:59:13 Some of them have trails on the top of them. And so. What a periodic maintenance program would cost.
13:59:21 I have no idea, but it would be easy to query. Counties that maintain facilities like this to get an idea of what it might cost and how frequently you would have to do what.
13:59:32 Okay, great. That for now and continue. I know this is a small part of the larger project.
13:59:41 Thank you. The other. Major element. Along with bridge construction is the flood plane restoration work.
13:59:54 And one of the big, one of the high profile parts of the floodplain work will be to
14:00:03 To generally replace this channel. You can see was highly manipulated back in the day. This is the sixties.
14:00:16 Excuse me, sixties. Yeah. In the sixties too, but this was the 19 nineties.
14:00:20 To replace this with. With a a new river channel, a more naturally functioning channel. The existing channel would not go away.
14:00:34 It would still be there to carry flood waters and maybe serve as a small side channel. But the main river channel would be moved back closer to its earlier location.
14:00:56 10 and Morse Creek is just slightly smaller than the Big Quulsine River has a similar And.
14:01:08 Is it also been confined against one side of its flood plane? And that wasn't working very well.
14:01:16 The, Sam coalition. Put the river back generally in the location. That it had been in 1939 before it was channelized.
14:01:30 They roughed out the channel, put in some log jams, and a year later it was producing salmon like you cannot believe.
14:01:39 So it was really wildly. Successful. It's a longer channel than the old channel or the channelized reach was.
14:01:51 And so that brings the energy in the stream velocities down quite a bit. Makes a lot more hospitable for salmon.
14:01:57 So that's what we're proposing out here as the blood plane. Part of the project. Get rid of the north side levees.
14:02:07 They're not protecting anything anymore once the bridge is in. Take out the. Road prisms for Linda Longer Road, Roger Street, Fremont Avenue.
14:02:18 And. And there it is. So the raise grant is 25 million dollars been awarded to the tribe.
14:02:28 Hey, salmon enhancement group was not an eligible recipient and so they
14:02:35 The tribe if we would go ahead and. And submit this in the tribe's name. The triple council deliberated on that and said, yeah, we should do that.
14:02:47 That's good for the community. Good for the tribe. Good for natural resources out there. We're going to do it.
14:02:56 So the same enhancement group and the tribe collaborated on the writing of the grant. And out of 1,100.
14:03:08 Raise grant applications that were officially accepted. 100, there were 162 awarded.
14:03:18 This was one and apparently there was also the Olympic Discovery Trail was another one. So we really did a couple of home runs here in Jefferson County.
14:03:30 So the estimate on the bridge replacement is that that will cost about 18 million dollars and we're striving to go out to bid this December.
14:03:42 And begin mobilization. In hopefully by March or so, it will take about a year and a half to construct.
14:03:52 And and get the the traffic detour on Rogers Street out of there and have people driving on the new bridge.
14:04:03 The flood plane actions. We're gonna try to Complete those for 7 million dollars. Go, we're hoping to get out to bid.
14:04:15 By March of 2024 and then construct it. Beginning summer 2024 and try to get it wrapped up.
14:04:26 By the end of dry weather in 2025 or total of 25 million dollars.
14:04:34 Randy, can I ask or I'm not sure if this is for you or Gus, but of all the property acquisitions needed for this scope of work been completed.
14:04:44 Yes.
14:04:45 Yeah, great question. So. To build the bridge they have. So we're all good to go to, to break ground on the bridge.
14:04:56 The schedule that's on the screen right now. For the floodplain stuff, we're getting quite close.
14:05:03 We just signed a purchase until agreement with one of the final properties, a couple of weeks ago.
14:05:08 And there is, there's still one property left there, the Berguson property that we're working on.
14:05:15 But if we're unable to Do you know to find a way to acquire that property?
14:05:22 Luckily, it's right on kind of the edge of the project footprint. So we'd be able to do a couple, you know, pretty minor edits to our floodplain design.
14:05:30 In order to still build the project but not need the Berguson property to continue. So So yeah, we're getting really close, but yeah, we're all good.
14:05:40 Start building the bridge. And you know should be good to get going with the flood plain stuff when the time comes.
14:05:46 Thank you. I guess my other question related to that, you know, we have the Quelston Complete Streets Project is just up the road from this project and it was funded in 2,011.
14:05:55 Getting close to finishing the right away at you know acquisitions and everything and wondering what's the the hard deadline for this project if it if the schedule does slip
due to you know unforeseen.
14:06:08 Situations.
14:06:11 Well, the raise grant is good for
14:06:17 Oh boy, I'm not sure. I think through 2029 or something. Of that nature.
14:06:27 We're gonna try so hard not to let it slip. Because construction prices are going up approximately 10% per year so we'll be priced right out of the market if we don't jump on
this and and build it.
14:06:42 And the tribe has a really good track record. In in doing that. And that's what we're, you know, we're determined.
14:06:52 To get this thing. Up and built. And there the the county owns the right of way, the bridge project.
14:07:02 Is gonna remain on the right of way. So there's no property issues there. And the.
14:07:11 If we can at least get the bridge constructed. Then. Then if if there's any hold up on the flood plane actions.
14:07:24 Well, they're a smaller component. And so, you know. In inflation won't hit it quite as hard.
14:07:32 As it would the bridge. So I mean in my mind constructing this bridge it's really priority one and we're going to do everything we can.
14:07:42 To get this thing. Built in a very timely manner.
14:07:48 Thank you.
14:07:53 Okay. The county and the LOCK and SAM enhancement group have collaborated on developing a community outreach plan.
14:08:02 Where they will send out. Flyers. That will provide an overview and then. Let people know of an email account that they can sign up for if they want to get regular updates.
14:08:20 Or actually contact a real-life person and communicate back and forth about what's going on. That affects them personally.
14:08:34 And if there are any questions about the outreach plan, Gus will be able to answer those.
14:08:43 I guess I just want to make sure you include, you know, Clay Banks roads and some of those places that are not.
14:08:48 Necessarily intuitive as well as, you know, really robust communication with the port about all those folks that Utilize the marina at Urbeck Marina and you know the seafood
companies down there.
14:09:03 So there's kind of a diverse set of stakeholders that aren't necessarily automatic usually.
14:09:09 Yeah, thanks. Yeah, we're definitely looking into all that stuff and we'll make sure that yeah, we're getting our communications out to everybody in the area who you know, would
be remotely affected by this.
14:09:22 Thank you.
14:09:25 Well, I always hate to put in a slide of text bullets. I think I've got 2 of them here.
14:09:33 But just for the record. People might wonder who's on first, who's on second, who's doing what.
14:09:40 Well, the proposed roles and responsibilities, the same enhancement group. Has been providing the design work.
14:09:49 They've got a 100% design for the bridge project. They're just about to complete the 60% for the flood plane actions.
14:09:58 We're waiting literally any day or any hour to get the hydraulic modeling back for the flood plane work.
14:10:08 That's all been done for the bridge.
14:10:09 They're responsible for the permitting. And I know they're getting very close to having permits in hand for the bridge part of the work.
14:10:18 They're also doing the collaborating with Kennedy on public outreach. They, the, same enhancement group will provide.
14:10:28 A certain amount of construction oversight. And this isn't the oversight. That Monty is really interested in where we've got the engineers of record out.
14:10:40 You know, doing daily compliance and writing. Construction diaries every day and testing materials and it's not that kind of oversight.
14:10:50 It's more oversight. Related to the Grant administration. And then the same enhancement group will provide stewardship.
14:10:59 Of some of the restoration. Properties such as reforesting disturbed areas. So the tribes role here in addition to being an overall collaborator with the same enhancement group
and serving as a.
14:11:16 As a technical resource. We are providing the The Raise Grant funding. And we will take the lead on constructing the new bridge.
14:11:27 And the floodplain project. The county is the county's roles in responsibilities besides being the landowner and they will own that this bridge will be a an exciting new part
of the candidates transportation system.
14:11:45 But one of their roles is to get the project on the transportation improvement list. Review and approve the bridge and the flood plain.
14:11:56 Plans. We're not going to do anything. Unless the county has approved the plans. I mean, that's a given.
14:12:07 The county. Another role of the candidates to provide permission. For the tribe to use the county properties to construct the projects.
14:12:19 And then.
14:12:22 Finally The county's role is to accept ownership and maintenance for the new bridge. And here I optimistically said, SET back levy project.
14:12:35 That was before.
14:12:40 Monty had explained the facts, the reality of the situation to us. So now I know that the South Side set back when we might drop out of this.
14:12:53 Out of this project, but anyway, at least accept the ownership and maintenance for the new bridge.
14:13:01 Upon satisfactory construction, as determined by the county.
14:13:09 The next steps that we really need to be getting on top of here is to complete the bridge permitting.
14:13:19 Begin the flood plane permitting. Complete the raise grant agreement with the federal highways advertise for bridge construction bids.
14:13:33 Yet the project on the tip list. We need to finalize and sign the memorandum of agreement.
14:13:42 Get permission from the county to use the county properties and that means like building the bridge on the right of way.
14:13:50 We would also like to utilize the old anti shop thereby intersection of Rogers Street and linger longer as a staging area for example.
14:14:02 And then. It's urgent that the bridge plans be reviewed. And hopefully approved. In the near term before we go out to bid obviously in December.
14:14:19 Thank you.
14:14:21 Thank you so much, Randy. Yeah, these last 2, these are the big ones, right?
14:14:25 Rolls and responsibilities. I don't know, Kate or Heidi, any.
14:14:29 Questions or comments? Really exciting project. Yeah, I mean it seems like there's a lot of funding for it and I mean, the setback is a question.
14:14:40 The setback levy. How do we deal with that? Or do we deal with that? Seems like it would be an important component.
14:14:47 To keep the river out of the neighborhood. Yeah.
14:14:54 No, I don't think I have any questions. It's a good project. Yeah, really excited that it got funded.
14:15:01 Kate, any are you with us? And as you guys know, Kate's kinda in and out of, doctors appointments today, some she might be just listening right now.
14:15:09 Monty, any any questions or you know comments on these last 2 slides too and when we see, say Jefferson County, we're often saying Jefferson County Public Works kind of de facto.
14:15:22 Sure. Well again on the South Side Levy, I'm not against it. It seems like a good idea.
14:15:28 It's just if the county signs up to. Take care of that. Just remember that doesn't mean general fund dollars, the county road fund necessarily.
14:15:39 And but you know, we, know how to maintain levies. We've been doing it for a while.
14:15:46 Sorry. Are there other? Facilities that we maintain out of the general fund.
14:15:54 That aren't. I'm not sure. I mean, again, when I say we've been maintaining levies, I'm talking about, they're not really levies, they're road embankment protection structures
that that are part of the road.
14:16:07 That's what we've done in public works. But, it's been a long time since, you know a A levy blew out in the county stepped up.
14:16:18 I mean Randy had some photos from 1993. That was the county that went in there and did it.
14:16:23 Whose money they used. Oh, that predated me by 5 years, but a lot of the flood plain planning work and stuff grew out of that disaster like hey this isn't sustainable the county
isn't can't keep you know, throwing money at dredging a river, which you can't get permits to do.
14:16:42 Remember 2 in the mid late ninetys the salmon got listed and that really changed the permitting.
14:16:49 Hmm.
14:16:51 Arena for doing work in the rivers. We did used to dig gravel traps in the lower big quill scene to sort of.
14:17:00 You would take out as much gravel each year as was coming down the river as a couple 1,000 yards.
14:17:06 There was a study done that said well there's couple 1,000 yards coming down the river every year. You know, if you remove that much, then the bottom of the river will stop
building up and raising the flood elevation.
14:17:19 Hmm.
14:17:17 The general fund was paying for that work. Public works did the work and we hauled the gravel up to our pit.
14:17:27 But then in about 1999 or 2,000 with the listing of the salmon to permitting through the Army core.
14:17:39 You too.
14:17:34 Became impossible. Get your excavator out of the river. Yeah, pretty much. So, we stopped doing that work back then, but.
14:17:44 You know, like Randy said, anything happened, but it's a likely that Levy won't, if it's built properly with heavy rock, won't require.
14:17:55 Much maintenance unless the river took direct aim at it somehow. In which case, that Cinder Block Wall is not going to do anything either if that were the case.
14:18:05 So. Again, my cautionary. Outlook on that was just That's fine.
14:18:14 The county can. Agree to step up and own that levy or or well it's on hood canal salmon enhancement group property so I guess it would be an agreement.
14:18:26 With that property owner, but. But just be aware of where the money would have to come from to do that.
14:18:32 As to the rest of our roles and responsibilities, I'm generally okay with everything that's been listed here just as we talked about in our briefing the capacity of our department
to.
14:18:46 Step up big time and have a spend a lot of staff hours doing anything is limited. We're building a huge sewer project.
14:18:57 We're looking at rebuilding, relocating or remodeling a transfer station. We're building bridges of our own.
14:19:03 Not this big. Fixing landslides. Things like that with very small staff.
14:19:08 So as I. Mentioned to you before the North Olympic salmon coalition did a large bridge between Marston and Indian Island a couple years ago, but Washdad did all the construction
management on the bridge portion of that project.
14:19:33 Right.
14:19:23 But that isn't going to be the case here where Jefferson County Public Works can take on that role for managing the construction of an 18 million dollar bridge project that
would take you know basically most of our department so and it does seem like Randy is acknowledging that and really the tribe is taking that responsibility.
14:19:46 Is that? Well, yeah, I mean, I, we have yet to see what agreements the tribe and hood canal salmon enhancement group have or are going to make with their consulting engineers
and others to do construction.
14:19:57 You know, it's not a couple of.
14:20:00 In turns out there watching. Q it build a giant bridge. It's it's people knowledgeable in engineering and the methods used for constructing bridges and testing the materials
and approving shop drawings and dealing with change orders and and arranging for the right people to be on the site at the right time, the geotechnical people for foundation installation.
14:20:26 These are deep drilled shaft foundation, so they'll be drilling. Large diameter shafts.
14:20:31 Underwater down into the gravel subgrade and you know casing them and pumping in full concrete and steel and things like that.
14:20:40 So, you know, pretty standard but. But still a complex construction. Methodologies there.
14:20:50 So. You know, I know that the Jamestown Skylom Tribe and Hood, Canal, Salmon Hasper group just got awarded this money recently.
14:21:00 So they have maybe had a lot of time to put together. Their entire plan, but that's the part of the plan that's most important to public works.
14:21:10 For a construction of the bridge and then I think a certain amount of public outreach as well.
14:21:16 We haven't really been involved in public outreach down there, perhaps. I can't speak for Tammy who's here, but.
14:21:23 You know, people that live down there and use that road need to know. What's coming, right?
14:21:28 So I think people have been contacted quite a bit. Someday we're working on this design and some day we like but now someday just arrived so yeah a little faster and expected
so that message needs to get out there and make sure that everyone's ready.
14:21:48 You know, for what's coming there. And the detailer that'll be used and stuff.
14:21:54 For the flood plane. Portion restoration portion of the project, yeah, there are still a couple properties and I'm not a to speed on the latest acquisitions that these.
14:22:07 The tribe and the canal same enhancement group are working on But there are, you know, several properties still, needed to, to acquire and You know, there isn't going to be
a new levy built when the North levy is removed.
14:22:27 So. Rivers can have a mind of their own when they're unleashed so that is something that people need to be cautious about when that happened with the little Cuisine River.
14:22:40 We ended up with a river on top of our road. And we had to go build a levy.
14:22:45 Along the edge of the road. So, we've got to make sure that any potential effective property owners have been, you know.
14:22:56 Those properties have been purchased. To make that a reality, but I haven't seen the latest, I think they're still as Randy mentioned, still working on the plans for the relocation
of the channel our department has.
14:23:13 Has seen various situations of the bridge design as it's progressed and been consulted and now we haven't seen the final plans yet but we generally understand what type of bridge
is going to be built and we have been involved in the in the design process.
14:23:31 Along the way with that. So, Randy showed a kind of a cross section there what it would look like.
14:23:38 I think it's a Randy, correct me if I'm wrong. It's about 7 spans, isn't it, or something like that.
14:23:44 Concrete girder style bridge and it has 4 foot and a 7 foot shoulder on it. Just better than the rest of the road out there.
14:23:55 Right.
14:23:57 Yeah, Monty, I'm trying to count them off of this drawing here. Looks like it's in the neighborhood of 8.
14:24:05 Yeah.
14:24:05 Spans plus or minus 2. Let's see in terms of the
14:24:16 Right, Alright.
14:24:16 Okay, are we seeing the cross section here?
14:24:20 Yep.
14:24:24 Me 2 20 looks like 23 feet of Driving lane plus another. 11 or so. So it's fairly wide.
14:24:36 Should have plenty of room for everybody.
14:24:43 Well.
14:24:43 Yeah, that's great. I mean, it's I love the wide bridge. I don't know how much that that adds to the cost, but a lot of people use that for walking and bicycling.
14:24:53 So it's good to keep that. Yeah, to their credit, they never, That wasn't something public works had to push to that this was the original proposed proposal from the canal sound
enhancement group for the width on the bridge.
14:25:09 We compromised a little bit because of the curve that with those barriers on the side it limits the site distance a little bit on the inside of the curve but at some point.
14:25:19 It has to be good enough. It's still you know, so much wider than the existing.
14:25:25 Roadway and curve and everything so I mean that centre road's 38 feet wide so this is almost that wide.
14:25:34 Most of our county roads are 2022. So.
14:25:40 Great. Well, Gus, I'm happy to help with with public outreach, you know, I'd love to be there to receive the public outreach, you know, the the response as well.
14:25:49 So, please do include me as you guys take that further down the road.
14:25:53 Yeah, thanks and we'll do.
14:25:56 And I will also mention that the tribe has built a number of bridges. We built a 500 foot long.
14:26:06 Highway Worthy Bridge across the Washington Harbor Estuary. We built a floodplain spanning bridge on Jimmy come Lately Creek near the near the tribal headquarters.
14:26:21 We built up a thousand feet of bridge pedestrian bridge on the old, excuse me on the North Olympic Discovery Trail across the Dungeness River.
14:26:34 And you know, they, these are all. I mean, totally professionally grade, professional grade bridges and we have inspectors out there every single day and it's like Monty said
you know on certain days you need certain inspectors there but we also have oversight every single day.
14:26:56 You know, engineer types, not us. Salmon biologists trying to direct anything really. It's all done the same way.
14:27:06 That the state DOT or federal highways that any of the professional transportation or organizations like Jefferson County Public Works, the way all of you folks would.
14:27:19 Would oversee and And, you know, do test material testing. So that will all be in place.
14:27:30 So just wanted to mention that we are experienced in that area. And that's definitely what it will be.
14:27:38 I don't know, I see some of your engineers are with us in the attendees. If anyone If you'd like to have anyone come over to speak to anything, let us know.
14:27:46 I saw a dog and I think Pat who has spoken with before in the attendees. I see Kate's with us though.
14:27:52 Did you have any questions or comments? Kate?
14:27:54 No, I've been listening in as I'm able and, this is really well timed before visiting tour tomorrow.
14:28:03 Very much appreciate the update and also, you know, Monty's, you know, Shitting light on some of the realities here.
14:28:13 Let's say I'm thrilled to see the 2 pedestrian options on the bridge, duck a bush project.
14:28:21 The, there's wide shoulders and you know, kind of be have a mystery in use too, but it that has not been as central to the design.
14:28:29 So really, really glad to see that. And, and I do just think with climate change. You're gonna be increasingly glad that we have the spending opportunity right now so thank
you for bringing it to bear and.
14:28:42 You know, just have to really commit to good communication. To ensure that all the partners You know, having their concerns met along the way, including the public.
14:28:53 So thanks for your commitment to doing this well and having everybody on board.
14:29:00 Yeah, and I'll add when we met with Monty and Eric earlier in the day and I think get this project on to our transportation improvement program is not a real high bar.
14:29:13 I mean, usually when we've scored projects in the past. Available funding has always been about at the top of the list.
14:29:19 So, you know, this meets that metric very well. So, you know, if you if you can get it done, get it done.
14:29:24 So I guess that's, unless there's any other questions for any of our folks.
14:29:30 Randy Gus, we really appreciate your time today and and you're pushing forward this exciting project.
14:29:38 It's it's really a game changer. So thank you.
14:29:40 Thank you.
14:29:41 Yeah, thanks so much.
14:29:44 Talk to you guys soon.
14:29:45 Yeah.
14:29:48 Hmm. Alright, thanks Mike. Do you guys right here, Eric? Yeah, no, added a lot to the conversation.
14:29:56 I appreciate it.
14:29:57 And then, yeah, seems like a big one to me. It is a it's a big one.
14:30:05 Maybe, yeah, Tammy is gonna join us next and we can. You're inside. You've been working in this flood plan for an awful long time, haven't you?
14:30:10 Yeah, That's really exciting to see. So, transformation on the horizon. Hi, I'm wondering Go back to the screen.
14:30:28 You should if you get into the meeting, that's the easiest way.
14:30:32 So the bridge that's between Indian Island and Maristan, you know, I mean, I watch that.
14:30:40 Can't remember how long how long it is. Okay. Less than half the length. Yeah.
14:30:50 Big project. Big bridge. HIm all right.
14:30:58 Well, we'll move on to our next agenda topic and we're joined by Tammy Corney to to learn about the I guess final design for the linear complex over on the help.
14:31:08 Yes, and I'm just trying to join the meeting now. So, okay, yeah, we'll just, we'll do a little sachet for a minute.
14:31:19 I'm gonna see you actually do soft too. I know. I realized I was talking more game than I could actually carry through.
14:31:33 Alright, yeah, we see you there. Oh, great. Well, thank you for having me today very much.
14:31:41 And I'm here to talk about a new grants agreement, hopefully for your consideration. Our CO, 22 dash 1375.
14:31:51 Through the Washington Post restoration and resiliency initiative. For the Who River Resiliency Linder, Linder complex.
14:32:01 I know you're gonna have to get a little close to that microphone for Kate's benefit. So.
14:32:06 This is an area that you well may be familiar with and I don't know what happens to my numbering here.
14:32:13 That should be 23. And, the, the project itself, has 3 main goals to protect and improve aquatic and riparian habitat to in enhance community resilience and to because this
is a wicki project not strictly a salmon project to create jobs.
14:32:32 This is the Linder Complex Reach area. It's about, River Mile, 21 to 23.
14:32:40 Starts around milepost 5. It's an area. Where folks traveling to the park stop for at the peak 6 door or the hard brain cafe, they see.
14:32:56 A lot of forest and pastures and rural housing and it's quite a lovely stretch. And our shop, right?
14:33:07 And the public workshop is present. And the public workshop is present, a property owned by the tribe is there and the public workshop is present property owned by the tribe
is there and like I said other private homes including property owned by the tribe is there and like I said other private homes including one right along that same shoreline.
14:33:17 And the reason it's especially beautiful I would say is. Largely due to the Presents of about 150 acres of.
14:33:27 Forested flood plain and this type of Habitat is increasingly rare on the hoe. It used to be.
14:33:37 The prevalent, flood plain habitat type. With mature forested, islands and multiple threads of the river.
14:33:48 Here you can, so, the middle of summer, but not such a bad idea to remember that winner is coming and So, this at bottom left hand.
14:33:58 Shows where erosion has been happening. Of course, the river is extremely dynamic and it's changes ever-present, but it seems to be.
14:34:08 Accelerating in the sense that if you are to stand on a given location on the flood plain, you might see the river return to you, you know, at 30 years at a minimum, up to a
hundred years, it would might richer to the same location, but lately it appears as though it's shortened to the point where the vegetation on the flow plane is really converted from
large conifers.
14:34:32 In part obviously due to logging but also as a result of just this. Return frequency is accelerated and so just in 3 years you can see some change here.
14:34:43 I mean, what's the blue dash line? So those are side channels. Okay. That have been drawn in. But they're in the same place, right?
14:34:50 So you're comparing, staring and comparing the landscape before and after from 13 to 16.
14:34:56 Yeah, exactly. And so we're seeing this expansion of the. Stage level one, you know, gravel and the channels themselves.
14:35:06 Those areas. Are expanding and the amount of mature forested. Floodplain is declining.
14:35:15 Let's see, what is the?
14:35:18 Sorry. Oh yeah, don't let me help you. Where the side channel dash line ends on the 2013 photo.
14:35:26 On the right side. What is that? This area. Rectangular looks like a slope down to the river.
14:35:33 This here? Yeah, that's an old flood plain path that's starting to reggate on its own.
14:35:39 Okay.
14:35:41 I think the lidar of these areas is really interesting. You can see these old. What are they called, alluvial fans or whatever?
14:35:48 Like, cascading down the side. Yeah. And so, of course, like everywhere else on the flood plain, the Linder side channel has been the location of the main Stanley channel has
been the location of the main Stan River in the past.
14:36:03 Most recently about 1994 and so it was necessary at that time to install rip rap on it.
14:36:12 I don't know if it was an emergency basis, at that time to install rip rap on it.
14:36:15 I don't know if it was an emergency basis, I'm assuming so to protect the shop and ultimately, well, then to the road as well, the upper ho road.
14:36:21 And that is the top right there in the middle. Yeah, yeah, this is the shop. That a lot of that rip rats still visible if you visit and walk around.
14:36:28 In here and I'll show you a picture.
14:36:33 And so this sort of thing is happening in a lot of places on the river. This is upstream upstream near the confluence of the Southwark Co in the ho is the Brandebury neighborhood.
14:36:49 And you can see this isn't all mature, but there was maturing. Floodplain, vegetation in 2,019 and apparently later this year it There was an evasion from the South Fork that.
14:37:01 . Anyway, an that captured this area, including a portion of the road that. Serves some of these homes.
14:37:11 It's all green and then the beginning. Yeah. And I believe those days are correct, but this this one is.
14:37:20 The Fletcher. Farm area and similarly there was a maturing flood plain forest and And this is what an evasion looks like where you have a meander bend and eventually with sediment
accumulating on the channel bed.
14:37:36 It eventually becomes more efficient for the river to move downstream. An entirely different pathway. So you have this.
14:37:43 Side channel complex. Lots of, you know, streams and multiple threads of habitat.
14:37:52 Being captured by the main stem just Oh, sorry. That's sign channel where we saw that giant tree down.
14:37:59 Is that right? Yeah, and so these trees over that, at a whole picnic one year, those are mostly on including 2 enormous.
14:38:12 Yeah, it's it's continuing to cut back. Yeah, and then the Fletcher's about the loss of their land.
14:38:20 It just gets getting eaten away. You know, it's one thing on this side of the river, but recently the the Mason has really moved over to the roadside.
14:38:29 Starting to cause trouble over there. So. You may be aware, 10,000 years institute is trying to take advantage of the river being on the far side and do some vegetation work.
14:38:41 So there are plenty of efforts underway to try to address some of this but but basically and this is well downstream but to give you the idea of how how this kind of habitat
is is being lost.
14:38:56 And it in the past was a real producer of Selmaids and other species of fish and wildlife.
14:39:05 So we're trying to bring that back. So here again is the Linder Reach and you can see the shop and the Uberhoe Road and this building is no longer present but this is the property
the tribe owns and this is the private residents and flow is away from you.
14:39:24 And you can see that multiple channels exist. So a lot relatively. Large amount of habitat that is.
14:39:33 Protective of lifecycles that are not necessarily possible in the mainstream. During flood and Here you can also see, I think this is wetland right here, just downstream of
the shop and so how.
14:39:49 Important it is that it be these smaller, less powerful. They cause enough trouble. Actually, side, side channels, but if the main stem were to reoccupy here, there would be
potentially a lot of energy.
14:40:04 That would be directed in the area. And so here's another image of just the overall trend.
14:40:15 And what we're hoping. With this project to avoid. Okay, good. I was like, that seems like a bad.
14:40:24 Yeah. At low water, this is how it looks and that's the shop right there and these side channels, you know, in and of themselves, like I said, were, you know, important too.
14:40:35 Spawning and rearing for especially coho, but. If they're large enough, they can be spawning areas for other species including Chinook.
14:40:43 So what we're trying to do through this project is as a stopcut measure at least mimic the what we call the large wood cycle where big trees create big jams and then big trees
grow on big jams and hold everything together like a network of hard points across the flood plain.
14:41:03 And especially if nothing is forever, but we would really like to see the main stem hold off as long as possible.
14:41:12 Because in particular, we have no tool would be off the table, but we'd like to get ahead of things in the area so that the community and has the time and the resource to really
weigh on in on what they would like to see.
14:41:26 Because obviously where the road is involved and the river can. You know, take direct aim at the road and does frequently, there's, you know, a tool that is going forward in
the form of Dolos and those seem to be working quite well as far as I know.
14:41:44 But they also have aesthetic and they're just a huge presence. And so there might be the possibility of using other techniques like just your standard engineered log jam made
of entirely of wood like you saw in the pictures for the big 12.
14:42:00 So we've been reaching out through the Who River Resiliency project over the last couple years trying to engage folks and have hope that they can become more.
14:42:09 Thoughtful about river processes and work together as much as possible and the plan. Came up with a few project ideas that this one was a standout because of the existing floodplain
habitat.
14:42:21 That could be protected. It's about 30 years old. It has some maturing or even older.
14:42:26 Conifers growing rapidly. It only takes about 75 years to grow a really enormous sickness roof.
14:42:34 So hoping that's the case into the future as well. So in terms of this next phase of the project in the linear area.
14:42:42 We have the written support of the folks you see here plus many, many other folks have been involved in the planning process up to now.
14:42:53 We hope to reengage them and we have plans for. Connecting with one another and had the great honored to work with Western Federal Highways to learn about their process and
their needs and also what our group can offer and where we really.
14:43:10 Aren't that helpful and so I feel really good about where we are to himself. Understanding where each of us fits into the puzzle.
14:43:19 Are the individuals listed under the written project support list or those landowners in the Drainage? They're all in the liner reach.
14:43:27 Okay, great. Yeah, and then you know, some of these other partners that aren't necessarily landowners.
14:43:36 But have participated in. And so that we've had a couple of picnics and we hope to have another one.
14:43:43 And so I can't see my notes, but the grant itself is for a little over a million dollars and the match is in kind.
14:43:52 The Ho tribe offered the value of a recent lot. So we have new lidar imagery late last year.
14:43:58 What do you need new lighter for? Sheologic scale of time, isn't it? But yeah, it's going to be super interesting.
14:44:11 So nice having Bathematic lidar and be able to see the channel bottom and be able to see the channel bottom and be able to see the channel bottom and where we have the metric
lidar and be able to see the channel bottom and where we have the opportunity to do a change detection and see where erosion versus.
14:44:17 Accumulation of sediment is occurring and how rapidly and just starting to build a trend line.
14:44:24 It's just a couple of points in time. But it's still instructive. And so just circling back to, you know, but there's a lot that we don't know.
14:44:32 Except that we bring in tools to the table. Resources to engage the community and time is of the essence.
14:44:38 So this is a project that involves both, you know, a sequence of designs, preliminary, leading to through final design, so as soon as possible.
14:44:49 Since we, there's an agreement that we're ready to go forward, we could look for construction.
14:44:55 And a part of that conversation. I think it's pretty obvious would be who would build this. And so I hope that is something we can all.
14:45:02 You know, talk about together. I think there might be. At least 2 options. And, and so, you know, it's just a rare opportunity to get ahead of things.
14:45:14 There's so much need across the multiple drainages and including the hoe to try to build back what we've lost over time in the way of this large wood cycle and all of its benefits
for people and fish.
14:45:26 But, this is a really I think a great place to start too. Decide whether or not this sort of approach on this.
14:45:35 Sort of grand scale. If we want to pursue it. If it makes. The difference that we're hoping to make.
14:45:43 I mean, you've already gotten the, you've gotten, you've gotten it as long as we agreed to it, you've got this 1.3 million dollars that will take you to final design.
14:45:50 Is that right? Yes. Okay. And so we are hoping to distribute an RFP in the next week or so and get underway while they're.
14:45:58 The field season than this year. But we have through 2026 at least. Is this like work that the existing contractor, and natural systems, I mean, this is just like.
14:46:09 Up there Ally, right? Yeah, I don't haven't brought up the idea of of approaching it as a sole source.
14:46:17 Put it out there for everyone, but they certainly know this watershed and would have an advantage for that standpoint and that they also have an office in Portland and the Wiki
program is looking for, you know, as much as possible building.
14:46:34 Job opportunities, at least on the peninsula, ideally in the Wyberstead. So be looking, that would be an important part of the.
14:46:41 The RFP to the that we can. Ideal place to get construction funding from too? Probably because for the coast.
14:46:53 Well, there are other watersheds that have obtained full planes by design funding for the same kind of.
14:46:58 Meet multiple benefits type projects. Wickery is more specific to the coast. Yeah, the funding level, you know, plans for design, I think.
14:47:08 We routinely succeeds in requesting more than 70 million dollars a year. And wiki isn't growing as quickly as we'd like.
14:47:17 So. I possibly would look to both.
14:47:22 When you say that the. The engineer log jams are showing promise. I mean, Talk about that a little bit more.
14:47:32 What's our track record of? I mean, I've heard anecdotally a few things, but.
14:47:36 How long have we been seeing progress with engineered blog jams or Dolos and you know. Engineered log jams consisting, you know, mostly of actual wood.
14:47:48 Go back more than 20 years and that is a great example and the hoe is a great example of how difficult it can be and certainly there's been quite a bit of learning over the
years.
14:48:00 And, but, and then the, the dolos and certainly Monty and Eric could speak more to this, but my understanding is.
14:48:07 Those were created for coastal marine environments. And then brought into the freshwater environments. And they're aesthetically they're a challenge for a lot of folks.
14:48:17 So, but they, you know, ultimately I don't, our group is. Of the resiliency group.
14:48:27 It's hard to see Dolos at a distance from the road. And but that might be something that folks.
14:48:32 Want to embrace someday, but it's right now it's for business. Association with the road and Share a beauty pageant. We'll see. I don't know.
14:48:42 Kate has a question. Go ahead, Kate.
14:48:46 Thank you. Tammy, I'm wondering, are there other, stakeholders that have concerns?
14:48:51 You just mentioned one in the Dolos, but you're hearing any other concerns from neighbors or other folks in the region.
14:49:02 Well. The concerns. About the I'll just separate out the Dolos and there has been some confusion.
14:49:12 We try to address it. But confusing the resiliency project with the road. Stabilization and repair efforts.
14:49:21 So I mean. There are a few more landowners that we need to bring on board to make the project as expensive as we would like.
14:49:33 But with the landowners, we have connected to the project already, certainly a project that's very much possible, but it would be great.
14:49:37 There are a couple more folks that we would love to see. And there's been some push back from Sportsman, sportsmen and such that are concerned about.
14:49:45 Ability to fish or just like traffic being constrained on the river, right? That's the only.
14:49:52 Well, certainly we're going to reach out to the you know everybody from the ETD users and especially the boating community.
14:49:59 There's so many challenges right now with low water shutting down, rafting. Certain natural log jams.
14:50:05 Become channel spanners or otherwise just start too dangerous to pass file. Some of that has to do with.
14:50:12 The ability of the passengers to get in and out of the boat repeatedly, not everybody, it's quite strenuous and the type of boat so yeah I would I don't know I haven't ever
asked whether the voting community is reacting to the Dolos at all or if there's.
14:50:31 But it's certainly it's a dangerous river to float if you don't know what you're doing.
14:50:37 There's just a lot of change. You know, every year, year to year. And so the community talks to itself and We are so grateful to the tribe.
14:50:46 For supporting like the gauge and all the information we can have. More of the better. So you support the voting community.
14:50:55 But, yeah, I'm sorry. Would you? Do you wanna follow up, Kate?
14:51:01 We're not seeing you on the screen. Okay, great.
14:51:04 Well, exciting.
14:51:08 Questions? I guess you're looking for questions. Ideally, yeah. Do we wanna take the 1.3 million dollars to try to design?
14:51:20 Yes, please.
14:51:18 Yeah. Okay.
14:51:26 Look at the actual map. 1.189, $860. That $860 that's gonna Complete it.
14:51:37 Okay, well if there's no further questions, Tammy, I really appreciate your time, your hard work at this, and I've been at many of these outreach meetings with you can testify.
14:51:45 It's it's it's a slog that you've been going through on this project and I do appreciate the the long game that you've been playing.
14:51:51 Maybe not quite as long game as the river, but. Yeah. Yeah, I'm happy to make a motion that we, approve the whole river resiliency, Linden, Lindner, complex reach design agreement.
14:52:08 July 1 2023 to July thirtieth 2026 to develop reach scale restoration. Design and the amount of 1.2 8 9.
14:52:21 $860.
14:52:23 I'll second that.
14:52:25 Okay, it's been moved and seconded. And all in favor indicate by saying aye. Hi. Aye.
14:52:32 Bye.
14:52:36 You opposed? Okay, that's unanimous. Thank you very much, Tammy. Go back to Rangland that river, Tammy.
14:52:41 Yeah, yeah. Makes sense of it yet, right? I save the date for September 20 third.
14:52:47 We're trying to put another picnic together. Okay, great. That's my orientation from my new school.
14:52:49 So I won't be able to be there this time. Well, that's good. Yeah.
14:52:53 Thank you so much.
14:52:55 Okay, well, thanks. It's been great. You guys aren't leaving, right? It's great to have you guys aren't leaving, right?
14:53:03 It's great to have engineers in the audience. It's great to have engineers in the audience and does that. I'm kidding.
14:53:05 You can go right. You know, I think they'll look great. Yeah. You know, I think they'll look great. Yeah. You know, I think they'll look great. Yeah.
14:53:19 You know, I think they'll look great. Yeah. You know, I think they'll look great. I love Gabeans as well. I love all those industrial elements.
14:53:22 You know, they look better against like something man-made. So sometimes in nature, they are incongruous.
14:53:28 I think that in the long run, you know, as the wood. First to Yeah. Okay. They, they stand out.
14:53:42 Yeah. Alright, oh yes, Tammy, do you have something else to say? It's possible to grow moss with milk.
14:53:52 Let blend it. A blender. Yeah. Concoction of dairy products and moss.
14:53:59 She can't grow moss on a dolose in the hoe, then you can't anywhere else.
14:54:05 Okay, if you can't hear we're talking about the recipes for growing moss. For the Dolo, the Molo,utification project.
14:54:14 Combination, yeah. I, yeah, I don't want him to, I like, I like him.
14:54:18 I think we should go and polish. All right, great. Well, we will continue. I think that's our last really scheduled agenda items.
14:54:31 A few more things. Do we have, do I miss anything? KPTZ schedule. That, that was on my list.
14:54:35 So I didn't I neglected in talking about my last week to say that one ball I did pick up that we all dropped was that we had no one sketched to be on KPTZ last week.
14:54:45 But I. Grabbed our assessor, Jeff Chapman. Everyone's always, Eager to hear about assessments and property values, so he came and joined me and I think filled in ably, but we
have no one scheduled for any weeks upcoming.
14:54:59 We do have a few potential guests here. I've already taken Monty once, but I'm going to open up our proposed schedule.
14:55:11 And guys got ideas for radio shows? Yeah, we're soliciting ideas. I mean, I'm sure we can come up with a million.
14:55:19 Felling up content has never been our problem. Yeah, we should do sewer We are.
14:55:32 We got we got the sewer points across.
14:55:37 Okay, so I'm just, I'm not gonna. Posted on the screen but we're already on to What is this coming up?
14:55:48 So we need somebody at the 20 fifth this week.
14:55:48 20. Yeah, 8 25. We've we've got nothing else scheduled so Yeah, we need to come up with another 8 weeks.
14:56:00 We should get through the September I think with that. Are we doing every 2 weeks? Now we do every.
14:56:04 Okay, okay. We're there. They, kicked us a couple of times for central programming, but, 9 1.
14:56:14 9 8.
14:56:25 I could do it.
14:56:20 Alright, so anyone eager to come this week? I have a conflict. Alright. Do you have an idea for a
14:56:34 Guest.
14:56:36 Let's see. I will be coming, you know, somewhat a question of who can I get in short notice on that summer weekend, right?
14:56:42 Why? 15Â min. Goes like on Mr. Chapman. So maybe try an elected official.
14:56:48 They're always desperate to talk.
14:56:48 Yeah, yeah, I will be coming from an aquatic center meeting. So, maybe get somebody from that group to join or a couple of people from that group.
14:57:00 Sounds good.
14:57:01 Yeah, if not, I do think, there's a lot of interesting, you know, criminal justice, you know, anything really relating to courts, sheriff.
14:57:16 We done something on any of the navigator programs. Yes.
14:57:18 We had that listed as a potential thing in the future, but I don't think we have done any of the, no law and order actually and no.
14:57:27 No behavioral health really either. So, do the opioid, opioid funding.
14:57:34 At some point soon.
14:57:36 Yeah, it might be a matter of kind of who's available. You know, any of those topics would be of interest to the public.
14:57:42 Like, having Shannon burns on could be really fun. You know, people don't realize, you know, how much we do a juvenile services, a variety of services that they provide.
14:57:54 Yeah, who?
14:57:53 So, I think. It's gonna be a matter of who I can get.
14:58:04 Yeah, we'll do.
14:57:58 Okay, so put down, yeah. And leave it just reach out to jam let him know So we'll put you and then what?
14:58:08 9 1.
14:58:09 I am around.
14:58:14 I should probably take one soon. I've been. You've been a little derelict in your duties.
14:58:19 And like, when was like anyone coming back? Always the funny one. Got syndrome out of a view.
14:58:26 Yeah. What were some of the ones that were? The wildfire. We should do that.
14:58:32 We wildfire. Hi, on 9 one. Yeah, community wildfire.
14:58:39 CWWP P. Yeah, cause we have our strategic plan. I mean our. Survey out so it'd be good.
14:58:48 And I can take 9 8 unless someone is eager for it. And I can do a behavioral health.
14:58:56 I have a secret gate guest I might actually invite for that. I'll do a behavioral health, professional from the area.
14:59:03 Okay.
14:59:05 We remember me at the time, is it 12?
14:59:09 Let me.
14:59:13 Okay.
14:59:08 Well, 1225 starts at 1230 or done by 1255. And I don't think you guys are choosing songs like I am. You're done by 1255. And I don't think you guys are choosing songs like I
am.
14:59:19 Yeah, I know I always forget.
14:59:19 You got a, yeah Okay. Okay, we good. What else do we have on our old lesson?
14:59:24 Oh, we have strategic plan, childcare, Wendy Davis. We did one. We did Solid Way strategic planning.
14:59:32 Yeah.
14:59:34 We done property taxes. Okay, now.
14:59:41 We haven't done our strategic plan. You want to do strategic plan heading? You've kind of been a week. I can do that.
14:59:50 What? Oh, we're right. You're doing, sorry, I was jumping backwards. Let's, so 9.
14:59:56 8 and then 9 15
15:00:01 I mean, they can do it on 9 8. You were doing 9 one, right? Yeah. Oh, you don't have to.
15:00:09 You, you can have 9 15 though. Okay. If it's not a conflict.
15:00:15 And, then you might do strategic plan.
15:00:22 What do you think? Yeah. Do you have any ideas, Mark? The things we should cover?
15:00:27 I am.
15:00:31 30, Mark, you haven't been on yet, have you? You wanna? Okay. Maybe right before the budget hearing, that's gonna happen in October.
15:00:47 Okay, I think that sounds appropriate. So not 9 21 but 28. Yeah.
15:00:58 28 mark.
15:01:03 Boom. 9 29 actually. Yeah. Oh, 9 29.
15:01:08 Sorry. And 9 22. Adding 7. Who's not an engineer?
15:01:20 And it's really better to go over there, I feel like. I you? I've found it more compelling when you can be in person, but they make the zoom work.
15:01:28 As well, you know, No, still mountain view.
15:01:35 As soon as they can, I don't know. I maybe do they have to get the antenna up on Morgan Hill fixed first?
15:01:43 Different in China, but yeah, I think one of them. So 9 15 is Heidi.
15:01:50 Bye guys. Thanks for spending the day with us. Thanks, Kelly. Thank you.
15:01:59 They have some conflicts for a while, so. Okay, so you wanna take one more September?
15:02:09 Sure, yep, I can do the 20Â s.
15:02:12 Okay, do you have that? Oh, and you're not back then yet, Mark, right?
15:02:17 You're on the 20 ninth. Okay. I'll be back on the 20 first. Oh, okay.
15:02:25 But you think the 20 ninth would be better? Yeah, get your feet under your first. So. Okay, so any idea on who or what subjects you'd like to?
15:02:35 Address, Kate.
15:02:36 Oh, you know what? Actually, I'm seeing I have.
15:02:40 A legislative steering committee meeting that I'm sharing in Ellensburg all day that day. Sorry this going between 2 calendars is hard.
15:02:47 Yeah. New vehicle charging stations. 20Â s? Is that? Wait a second.
15:02:57 We have CWPP. The whole day or are you not? You're in. I have straight ecosystem recovery.
15:03:04 20Â s might be a challenge. Okay. You want to, do budget then? I don't know who can do it.
15:03:12 I think we're all all 3 of us have a conflict on the 20Â s it sounds like. Mark doesn't.
15:03:17 You could set Mark loose.
15:03:17 You could be the host. Oh, unbridled. And you could take Judy. Oh, unbridled.
15:03:26 And you could take Judy from the market. Or so. Yeah, I like it. Alright.
15:03:31 What do you think about, PAY? Maybe, you know, Chris, going talking about.
15:03:35 Electric, of our vehicle. That, for grants that we look like for? On the 20 ninth. Does that work?
15:03:43 Yeah, I, let me check here. It does, yes. And, I think another good topic would be elections.
15:03:55 So I can see who's available on the 20 ninth.
15:04:00 Okay. Or elections.
15:04:05 Yeah, I just like to have a backup.
15:04:07 So that 1 20Â s is budget though, right? Oh yeah, budget. Budget with Judy. Okay.
15:04:19 Alright, well that takes us through the end of September. Let's just make sure we don't.
15:04:23 Let it sneak up on us again.
15:04:30 As always, this schedule is available. On my
15:04:44 Okay.
15:05:01 Maybe I'll take Wendy for strategic planning.
15:05:06 Would be good. He hasn't been on yet, has she?
15:05:17 Alright. Great. Thank you guys.
15:05:24 You know.
15:05:29 Okay.
15:05:29 Will you, do you mean reading them off Greg just to make sure you've got a
15:05:32 Sure, on August 20 fifth, Kate is maybe talking about the Aquatic Center. On 9 one, Heidi is talking about the Community Wildfire Protection Plan.
15:05:43 On 9 8, Greg has a behavioral health guest or navigator to be. Announced on 9 15 Heidi will be talking strategic plan maybe with Wendy Davis On the 20Â s, Mark will be the special
guest star with Judy to talk about the county budget.
15:06:03 On September 20 ninth. Kate will either have Chris Goy to talk about charging stations and electrification or perhaps elections.
15:06:15 Right. Thank you.
15:06:17 For elections, would you invite Quinn or? Would you. You're sure
15:06:24 No, and Quinn and it's having we can have up to 2 guests so certainly Quinn and and maybe ask if she thinks Brenda or, you know.
15:06:35 We need to get.
15:06:38 Yes. Okay.
15:06:38 Yeah. At least 15Â min is our standard. Okay, some people aren't quite as ready to just start talking, I guess.
15:06:49 Okay, well thank you Mark. You get 20Â s. Okay. One other thing I just wanted to confirm, CGTA, I saw Heidi had responded.
15:07:02 I responded to that we wanted to just defer and let. I talked to James about it. He says he's on the committee.
15:07:04 Right. And I think that's the way we've done it for ages. So. I reinforce that.
15:07:12 This is. Criminal justice treatment accounts.
15:07:21 I may have missed. Did we find a time for David Wade Johnson to come? Talk with us.
15:07:29 Okay.
15:07:25 Oh, let me speak to that. Sorry, no, let Mark speak to that. There. So Greg and I spoke with Josh Peters.
15:07:37 Over the recess and And he asked for a little bit of time. And so we've agreed to give him 2 weeks to confirm with, Barbara, And I contacted.
15:07:51 Tee Smith and. Told them that we were gonna do that. So we were in a holding pattern and he was grateful and I also indicated that Josh would be calling him to set up a meeting.
15:08:05 So that they could meet the staff and ask questions and voicemail concerns directly. To the New Zealand.
15:08:17 So we won't talk about it today.
15:08:20 Okay, thanks so much.
15:08:27 He's good.
15:08:25 I'm gonna bring up one other thing. Which was the, Oh. Gosh, who was requesting letters of comment about the power lines coming up through Shelton.
15:08:43 Oh, Kristen.
15:08:45 We all received a letter from, wasn't it a federal agency?
15:08:50 I don't I'm not I might have missed that.
15:08:52 I'm sorry I'm not in my office to have the paperwork candy. I don't know howdy and I both got physical male correspondence requesting I have a photo of it.
15:09:06 Requesting, providing an opportunity for input. And the permitting of the power lines that will, come through or to South Jefferson.
15:09:17 .
15:09:17 I can't imagine. I can't imagine. I can't imagine that Greg would not have gotten that letter too.
15:09:22 I probably just missed it. There was this has been a gap a little bit the gap with some emails so I might have missed it.
15:09:26 It was a hard copy mail. Oh. I'll be in your end.
15:09:28 From the Department of Energy, Bonneville Power Administration, preparing a draft environmental assessment for the Shelton Fairmont transmission line, for the Shelton Fairmont
Transmission for the Shelton Fairmont Transmission Line rebuild and fiber optic system replacement project.
15:09:42 So see they're seeking comment. I, emailed the PD and asked if they had any comments that they'd like us to support and I have not heard back from them.
15:09:52 So just thought we should maybe touch base.
15:09:54 Hey and PV one.
15:09:56 I did that. I reached out to our PUD first.
15:09:58 Okay. Feels like this is a Greg issue, being broadband and his district. So I will track that down and I can give you my copy of the letter.
15:10:12 Okay, thank you.
15:10:12 I do have an effort to bring next week from Mason PV one. Looking for support for more I can't remember what they're applying for I think it's still connected to that.
15:10:22 The Power Line project that we supported to update their electrical so they can put the fiber on them as well.
15:10:29 I did see them building it when I drove through actually this last week. So we all got an email from Chief Black asking for audience with us soon.
15:10:38 And so it's perfect timing for me to take a on the radio on the first. Perfect. And also if we can get them on our agenda for next week.
15:10:45 Because there's major fire concerns. Yeah. Half hour. One general request.
15:10:57 Great. And hopefully you can make the first work and we'll get them. Who get 2? Outreach times next week.
15:11:05 Yeah, I think people really do recognize the issue. Sounds good.
15:11:12 Okay, other issues that we need to address today.
15:11:18 Can I give you all a little update on my schedule?
15:11:21 Yes.
15:11:23 So I, as of August 30 first, I will be out of the office for 6 to 8 weeks.
15:11:31 And I'm gonna. Be working some as I'm available. It's gonna be a little bit tricky.
15:11:38 As I, wanna stay as engaged as I can, I just don't know how much I'll be able to.
15:11:43 So. I. Plan to attend these meetings every week. Fingers crossed and might be a little bit interrupted like I was today.
15:11:55 But I think Generally, I'm gonna just plan to be out of the office and then arrange for to kind of maintain that the more important things that I.
15:12:04 Do and you know prioritize and one gap that has come up is the North Olympic Development Council because of a number of things like the, because of a number of things like the
recompete.
15:12:25 Because of a number of things like the recompete, Karen was concerned to not having any representation from Jefferson County and that's fairly small left.
15:12:27 It's one meeting a month. But might ask if one of you and, you know, Mark too, you, you could fill in there.
15:12:35 Potentially. That's one place that I think we want, we don't want to have a gap.
15:12:40 Feels like it might make sense for Greg to do it because he's been our recompete guy for the last bit, right?
15:12:46 I'm happy to do that. I'm not sure they'd be happy to have me, but I'm happy to do it.
15:12:49 When is it?
15:12:50 Let me. Take a look at the next meeting and I actually think the August meeting is cancelled so we'd be looking at September.
15:13:04 2 calendars you're driving me crazy I know I get better at it, but I'm not there yet.
15:13:15 Interesting. This has the Twice September 20 eighth. From 2 to 4 pm, but it's showing up as canceled on my.
15:13:26 Calendar, so let me double check.
15:13:33 Great. I will confirm.
15:13:29 I'm free in the afternoon of the 28 so if you just You don't ask Karen or whoever to invite me to it.
15:13:38 I'll make it a priority. So I'm sure.
15:13:40 Great. Thank you. Otherwise I'm, pretty much just gonna have staff be telling folks that I'm out of the office.
15:13:49 And, with family and medical leave, to, Sarah about, you know, the language around that.
15:13:57 It's, it's a tricky thing. You know, as elected, we don't have, I don't know, we have different things governing our.
15:14:06 Just work all the time. Yes, work all the time. No breaks.
15:14:02 Work requirements. And, so anyway, thank you all. I know. Yeah, no, I, I think if this is, I'm gonna have to be in.
15:14:14 No, no, I'm teasing. I'm totally teasing.
15:14:17 Okay. So, I will, I may show up to our, Monday meetings in person, but It seems like there are a few important other things that I'm gonna have to show up for in person, which
probably means joining Monday's virtually because it's, you know, possible to do that.
15:14:37 So, some of the community outreach meetings. Those might be tricky, but maybe it's I don't know if we got if I'm going to communicate mostly through Mark or through office staff
to Keep you guys in the loop.
15:14:50 Okay, and we have settled on the nineteenth for our gardener reschedule, right? Is that? That's yeah, September. 19.
15:14:59 Tuesday, September 19. Yeah, you know, we are here to help you however we can, Kate.
15:15:07 Thank you.
15:15:07 So I think. We support your priorities as you. Challenge this and if I think Perk could buy you a giant bubble too if you need a bubble to walk around in.
15:15:16 Okay. Oh, not budget. Sorry. I'll do it.
15:15:15 Yeah. Thank you. Yeah.
15:15:23 Okay, I don't think we actually have talked about this week's schedule yet. Should we end with that unless something else comes up?
15:15:35 Sure. I started earlier. So today it's fun at the end of our meeting. I have my friends are getting married in the courthouse while they're doing their you know paperwork here
today the after at 4 30 so nice that's exciting.
15:15:56 How did they get in the 4 30? They made special arrangements. I'm gonna attend the budget training tomorrow morning.
15:16:01 And then I am going to. Start. I mean, I go to the community foundation board meeting for a little while and then go.
15:16:15 Thank you.
15:16:09 To lunch with you all. So for Kate, we'll miss you. In the afternoon I have a couple of personal meetings and then we have the great the Grand Port Hadlock sewer project groundbreaking
at 60'clock.
15:16:24 On Lopman Road. Don't be there. Wednesday morning I have a hold for strategic planning meeting, but I'm not sure that's happening this week.
15:16:35 I'm holding a bunch of times for a drainage district meeting later this week. We have the employee picnic Wednesday afternoon and we also after that have a as our 19 trail project
public meeting.
15:16:50 With Eric. Thursday morning we have a PIF meeting. And. Then on Friday I have county coordinated response meeting in the middle of the day.
15:17:06 And Evening, the thing festival begins. Saturday is the big short farm event at Roger and Sandy's at the short farm.
15:17:17 And I'm going to go to that. And then more thing festival and then Sunday is juggling again with the.
15:17:26 Democrats fish feast.
15:17:29 And the thing festival. So that's the next few days. And then next week we don't have a meeting.
15:17:37 No BOCC meeting. We don't have a meeting on the phone. So it says on my calendar.
15:17:42 Oh.
15:17:40 We have went on Well, the following week is a Labor Day. We have one on Tuesday.
15:17:47 Why is, why is August 20 eighth no be a HOCC meeting in my calendar? I've But it looks different, but I think we do.
15:17:55 Don't mean it's not.
15:17:59 Okay.
15:17:56 Yeah, I think it was wishful thinking. To, move a fifth Monday because Some of us might be tired after thing festival.
15:18:05 Oh, I see. Okay. So we do have one.
15:18:07 Myself included, but there is one. Yeah, this. A week from today.
15:18:11 Okay. Okay.
15:18:16 Oh, then. Oh, then the following week we don't because it's Labor Day though.
15:18:21 Yeah, we were on Tuesday.
15:18:21 But we'll have on Tuesday.
15:18:32 Alright. Thank you. Good to know. Yes, please, Kate.
15:18:34 Shall I go? Alright, really busy day tomorrow. Like I said, we have this, delegation of congressional staffers and federal agencies coming to tour with the pew to some partnership.
15:18:53 Primarily hood canal sites. So I'll be joining that for the day.
15:18:58 Then hopefully meeting with our, lobbyists from strategies 3 60. Olympia at the Olympia office, Kelsey Hulse in advance of the Grabbreaking ceremony for the sewer.
15:19:14 So, is going to be a little crazy. Let's see. Wednesday, the Economic Development Council Finance Committee meeting meets and then we have a housing fund board meeting.
15:19:26 Thursday. And I mean, Cindy Jane to talk about a number of private action committee.
15:19:33 Projects. We have a bylaws committee meeting for the Association of Counties and that's looking at this kind of existential threat with some of the larger urban counties.
15:19:46 Wanting to see if OSEC can restructure in a way that satisfactory to them. Going to a
15:19:51 What's your prognosis on that? I mean, you were talking about, yeah, King County.
15:19:57 Explicitly, but do you think there is path forward that keeps Wasack whole and doesn't make us, you know.
15:20:07 The i 5 corridor organization.
15:20:10 I do, yeah, I wouldn't have said that necessarily a week ago, but we went through a pretty intense process with our legislative steering committee 2 of the urban counties expressed
a lot of dissatisfaction with how we were moving forward with our legislative agenda and Pad.
15:20:28 Kind of a come to Jesus, meeting with the LSC and everybody got on board. It was it was nice to see there was still a lot of goodwill and a desire to work together.
15:20:37 Okay.
15:20:39 So I'm feeling more optimistic. After that process, it seems like there's a desire to continue working together.
15:20:50 Bye to hear.
15:20:48 Identifying common ground. So. If you would help, have a Let's see where I leave up.
15:20:58 I have a reception for. Thing on Thursday evening and then a fairgrounds board meeting. Friday we have a healthier together aquatic center steering committee meeting that I'm
doing the radio show and then I am signing off for the weekend to be at Thing festival.
15:21:15 Also happens to be my birthday. So, looking forward to the weekend. And.
15:21:23 And be with you a little bit next week. And then like I said, Thursday as a Probably Wednesday night, Thursday I will be.
15:21:31 Over and Seattle and the hospital for 6 or 8 weeks.
15:21:36 So you be, are you gonna be staying there all the time? Is that?
15:21:41 I'll see if I can get any sleep there. And yeah, that's kinda wait and see, but.
15:21:49 That is an option and, I think a preference people do well when they have a a, in the room with them.
15:21:59 So that's the, that's the hope but my sister is not far so I have an option for not getting woken up 4 times a night like nurses coming and going.
15:22:10 Alright, good.
15:22:11 Yup.
15:22:13 Okay. Let's see my upcoming week. I'm, joining the crew for to celebrate our staff tomorrow and then I'm doing South County harm reduction ripple effect mapping.
15:22:29 I'm not quite sure what that is. I would guess it would be a circle, but I guess we'll we'll map it out and find for sure.
15:22:33 It's like that. One of the I almost made pointed out on our consent agenda today the What was it?
15:22:41 Infant mental health reflection therapy. I'm like, what is that? Just cooing back to the kid.
15:22:46 But I actually did a deep dive. I understand it better. It's more with the family.
15:22:49 But sometimes the names make me laugh. I will be at the ground breaking for the headlock sewer.
15:22:55 That on Wednesday I have a couple of meetings with with Tammy to for the Dosi Wallops River Collaborative, a more challenging population I would say to get popular support and
that's we'll have a little bit.
15:23:11 2, 2Â h there. And I/O the cap is doing its strategic planning and I've got a one-on-one interview with the the team doing that.
15:23:22 Leading that effort with us. I will be at the housing fund boards big one. Hopefully we'll get our RFP approved and out to hit all our deadlines.
15:23:31 And I will be at the employee picnic, eager to. Celebrate with the county family writ large.
15:23:38 On Thursday morning I have a Jeffcom meeting and then I will be doing the entrance. Entrance conference with the state artist office for our audits.
15:23:51 And then rushing over to do a volunteer shift at the thing. And then Friday is mostly thing, but I will be doing my weekly recompete task force.
15:24:00 Meeting at 20'clock. And then the thing for me all weekend.
15:24:08 Mark, you, take us through high points of your coming week? Sure. Course today. And
15:24:16 10 more minutes. Tomorrow. And budget training. See that on that.
15:24:25 Then bunch of stuff. I'm like, and then we're meeting with share. Talk about the negotiations that are under way.
15:24:39 Sure. And then of course, the headlock celebration at 6. On Wednesday, the sheriff's admin negotiations.
15:24:53 Meeting was stationary to look at revenue projections for budget for 2425. And then meeting over DCD with Greg Ballard.
15:25:05 Kevin Streak from the DVD in there and bird. To talk about the RV park.
15:25:10 That was near the They're telling to disrepair, they want to re and that's a great interest to Kevin Street.
15:25:21 Because. Through. He hopes to have working on his project.
15:25:30 They want to use at RV Park for employees. Where is this Harvey Park? It's down by, Like the old port one?
15:25:41 There, yeah. Oh yeah, sounds like a supports being in part of the on Google. Yeah, I couldn't see it.
15:25:54 Used to be a log up there. Yeah. And so, They're looking to have that permitting process expedited.
15:26:03 And it's just simply recreating an old use, so I don't see that'll be a problem.
15:26:07 Then the county picnic gets 5. And then on Thursday, Chepcom admin board. We're having a test special meeting.
15:26:17 Look at financial projection for next year and we're gonna get an update on the 2 projects that we're in.
15:26:25 2021 and for which not $1 has been expanded. We need a, to the board of commissioners to extend the end date on those agreements through the end of next year.
15:26:36 And then I'm with you, Greg, for the state auditor entrance conference and then you can check in with Chris Boy.
15:26:44 And then I'm trying healthier together. Okay. How's everything going with the? Email, you know, the, settling of the dust on the email.
15:26:58 Hey Josh, came back from vacation. He has to have a CSV telephony. Hours.
15:27:07 Oh, that's, a temporary thing in the calendar situation or is that? They're working to fix everything that was broken, but so many things were broken that Okay. I think it's
been wild.
15:27:21 I think it would be, 3, 3.
15:27:25 Yeah, no, I think they've been doing it. They've been responsive though. Oh, totally.
15:27:29 Yeah. Okay. I mean, it makes you realize how. Dependent we are on.
15:27:37 You know, the emails and this. Warfare warning. Yeah.
15:27:49 The question is, that we need.
15:27:55 And that I get very comfortable when email goes down. I'm like, oh, I get very comfortable when emails down.
15:28:04 It's like I was on first vacation since I had this job. Okay. Great.
15:28:11 Anything else? For the good of the order. No, nothing here except for Monty has confirmed that.
15:28:19 The linger longer bridge is a tin span bridge. Not a. Yeah, that's a big bridge.
15:28:29 But, Yeah. The long bridge. Big project. I think it was.
15:28:36 We gave the appropriate level of excitement and. Mixed with reticence about over committing the county staff.
15:28:44 So I thought that went well. Not going to use them road flat. That's good. Yeah.
15:28:51 Okay. Great. If there's nothing left, I will adjourn this meeting of the Board of County Commissioners.
15:28:59 Have a great week, Kate. Pastor Rico, hope all goes well.
15:29:01 Thank you. I'll be back in the office. On Wednesday.
15:29:04 Okay, great. See you then.
15:29:06 Bye.