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HomeMy WebLinkAboutchat18:05:27 From BOCC Special to KathyCruz and all panelists : You can use chat if you have questions 18:19:31 From BOCC Special to Thomas Goodworth and all panelists : You can use chat if you have questions, or hit "raise hand" to ask a question 18:36:16 From Liz Anderson to Hosts and panelists : To clarify, it would be about the same cost, but what would be the monthly cost to residents utilize the sewer system? 18:39:34 From Liz Anderson to Hosts and panelists : Thank you! 18:00:37 Oh. Here we go. Hold on. No video was there, right? 18:00:49 Okay, let's, yeah, we're not gonna do this. What I would love to do, we have the quick, why don't I call the order and we can go through it. 18:01:02 We can't deviate from the agenda that we can. 18:01:06 I guess go ahead and report. We have Oh, right, right. Okay. Good evening. 18:01:18 I will call this special meeting of the Board of County Commissioners to order. It is, we're at the Tri Area community centers today, you know, with our third community conversation and apparently we're doing everything right because, you know, We have half as many people as we did at the last meeting with one member of the public with 18:01:34 us today. So we'll probably unless, folks come. Surging and I saw a pair of pulling up and note just the treasure. 18:01:46 So, We've got at least one update that I certainly want to see a little later in the agenda. 18:01:51 But we might abbreviate some of this agenda at a respect for everyone's time because we got we got a lot of we're joined by most most of our electives and many directors I think every department is represented. 18:02:05 A treasurer has joined us and a member of the public. Chuck. And, so I will, I just wanna make sure my system works here. 18:02:26 So we've got a presentation. Mark McCauley is out of town today. He usually does our kind of state of the county. 18:02:33 Everyone here is pretty much seen it once or twice already. Sure. Fine. Online? 18:02:47 Yeah, there is no. Okay. Let's say if you're the only member of the public bank maybe we'd say. 18:03:02 I actually like the idea that the beginning asking people what their highest interest topics are because then can you kind of dress up and we go around. 18:03:17 As part of introductions, what are what are you most interested in learning about today? 18:03:24 Oh, the Okay, great. I'm really interested in learning about the sewer as well. I you know Seems like most of the crowd is into that. 18:03:37 So. Sure. Kathy, online. We loved it. 18:03:42 We've got very low attendance today. So we're we're customizing. It's just bespoke community conversation. 18:03:48 So what are you interested in hearing about? We have one presentation about the sewer. If you like, you can unmute and tell us what your interested in learning about or commenting on today. 18:03:58 I'll make it so that, she can chat. 18:04:03 Right. 18:04:08 She should be able to speak as she might, but she doesn't have to. 18:04:13 Okay, well we'll move on. And as far as the Jefferson County update, you know, We're doing great. 18:04:22 You know, there's we're actually only down I believe 10 staff right now. So we are at some of our best staffing in point a few years since the beginning of COVID. 18:04:35 And, I have a slide show that everyone here has seen once or twice. So I would encourage anyone that wants to get a deeper dive into how Jefferson County is doing to go back and look at our previously recorded presentations. 18:04:52 We're just gonna move ahead right now. And go straight to what everyone is here for, which is the the sewer update. 18:04:58 And. Share my screen. 18:05:08 All right, Bravo and do you wanna use the clicker? You can just forward, right? 18:05:16 So I think. And then, Well, I mean, let me troubleshoot real quick. I know that there's something wrong. 18:05:26 That's funny. Or you could advance the slides. 18:05:34 Hey, it doesn't work now. Maybe we'll stand up this. You don't need the money. 18:05:49 Okay. Well. Hopefully this isn't too long. We can glaze through it. 18:06:00 But once, once you get public works, people talking about them projects, it's hard to get them. 18:06:09 As you know, Monty, Public Works Director and County Engineer and I'm joined by Samantha Harper. 18:06:16 Our new wastewater very excited to have Samantha working for us if we didn't I don't know what we'd be doing. 18:06:35 It's a large project. 30 plus 1 million dollars which we have. From various brand sources but the project is broken up into multiple Parts retired of using more phase because we have faces within phases. 18:06:58 For the sewer. It's a small portion. Of the sewer bottom 1 million and half dollars. 18:07:06 That will get the site ready for the wastewater treatment plant. And other phases, but I'm kind of jumping ahead in the presentation. 18:07:14 So, But it is under construction very exciting and we won't have. I'm going to present the first few slides and then Samantha will do a series of slides and then I will finish this off. 18:07:27 So if we wanna advance to the second slide. A little hard screen screen, but this is support halog. 18:07:37 Let's, yeah. 18:07:43 Little better. 18:07:47 So we have 2 maps to picking the same area. But this green boundary is The, phase one, the initial sewer service area. 18:08:00 Oh, that's the school. That's QFC. That's the waterfront or the wooden boat. 18:08:09 School is. This is Jimmi and Road down to They're ready mixed plant and the sheriff's facilities here. 18:08:18 So that kind of orient you. The sewer treatment plant wastewater treatment plant will be here on property to county bought from the Lopez in 2,012. 18:08:31 And so all of the waste, the sewage will be brought. To this point where it will be treated and then Class a reclaimed waste. 18:08:43 It's not called wastewater after it's class say it's called reclaim water. 18:08:47 It's Not drinkable, but just about. You can use it for irrigation and things like that, although we aren't doing that initially. 18:08:55 Goes to this rapid rate infiltration site where, it's called upon, but it really won't have any water in it. 18:09:03 Is it only infiltrate so fast which will supplement the ground water under Chima and Freak which runs through this area. 18:09:12 This is all permitted by the Department of Apology. So that's the map. This is the same map, but it shows the zoning. 18:09:21 After sewer is available. Which is what this project. Projects about a couple of things. One is. 18:09:30 Getting people off of old and sometimes failing septic system but really It's an urban growth area which when sewer is available the zoning changes and allows a lot more uses or density. 18:09:45 So the red areas are. Urban commercial. And you can see the boundary kind of follows the urban commercial boundary. 18:09:54 There's some light industrial down here. These are course county facilities. School life barrier public facilities and then this is the airstrip that Habitat for Humanity and partners have purchased for Bye. 18:10:11 Dense housing project. Under the current zoning, it's one per 5 acres so they could get about 3 houses on that under the Zoning with sewer that could get about up to 200 units on that 18 acre parcel and they've talked about anywhere from 120 to 200 units so it'll 18:10:29 be a range of housing to actually teachers and others could live in this facility but not possible without sewer. 18:10:39 So that's what this project is about. If you'd like to advance to the next slide, I'd be great. 18:10:45 Basic elements of a sewer system starting at a house or business. There's a building drain which currently goes to a Hey, Monty, take this. 18:10:56 It's got a pointer too, does it? It's got a pointer that the top buttons are laser and then it just right. 18:11:00 To go forward or left. So, currently a building drain goes to a septic tank and then do a drain field. 18:11:09 Now that same building grain will be connected to a grinder pump. Which then pumps. 18:11:16 Affluent, there's a valve and stuff here at the curve through a series of pipes. 18:11:22 In the streets and because this is a pressure sewer system more on that later the pipes don't have to go downhill. 18:11:29 And they can be shallower like 4 feet or even 3 feet. So a lot less expensive to build all the way to a wastewater treatment plant or on that later. 18:11:39 Treated and then to the rabbit rate infiltration. Site that I told you about. So. Pack line. 18:11:51 The county will own and operate everything from that line over and this control panel. So even the grinder pump on the private property will, you know, it's not. 18:12:05 It will be maintained by County or potentially PUD through agreement. Staff with nasty things go down. 18:12:12 On the personally own side and destroy the If so, the cost to maintain those will be born in the monthly sewer bill. 18:12:22 But if someone abuses these systems by dumping rags, diapers and rocks down if they could be assessed to charge for damaging the grinder pump. 18:12:33 But if they're not abused, they can last. A long time. So, So, well, everything else. 18:12:48 A typical simplex grinder pump is for a single family resident, but you can have, up to what they call quads, which have 4 pumps in them for a really high like the laundromat might do I have a quad. 18:13:01 The laundromat's equivalent to 30 houses. IS well coming out of that on a daily basis. 18:13:06 So, that's kind of how that works. 18:13:12 The wastewater treatment plant which we've already purchased it's the guts of it it comes on a truck free manufactured in Texas it's a state of the art membrane bio reactor plant that can produce plastic waste water, which is the highest. 18:13:29 Level you can produce. Basically it's a bio membrane bio reactor. So there's biological processes happening within this and then it's being pushed through these ceramic. 18:13:43 Membranes, filters. And then there's UV lights for disinfection at the end and that all creates Class A, water, which, you know, this is off the Department of Ecology site here. 18:13:57 I mean, reclaim water basically looks like water. At 24,000 gallons a day is the flow will have its Okay, have a startup. 18:14:08 But this has our initial one has capacity for 72,000 gallons per day. So a lot of capacity to expand. 18:14:15 We can also add additional units of these in the future. Bio solids. What's left over will be trucked to port Townsend, composting facility, just like the buyer solids out of port towns and to agreement with the city more towns. 18:14:35 This is a couple of days ago. This is Offalopman Road, Lear Slope and Road there. 18:14:42 This is where the infiltration site or pond if you will. Is being constructed right now. 18:14:52 Looks like the Sahara Desert. It's a seat in construction, local contractor got this, contract and they're doing a great job and gave us a really favorable bid for this work. 18:15:06 I mentioned at startup we hope to do 24,000 gallons a day with the initial customers. 18:15:13 That's about what 20,000 gallons look like right there. Not a huge amount of water. You spread that across this 8 year and a half on. 18:15:22 They're talking about a half inch. Which is kind of disappear into the ground faster than I have. 18:15:28 So. That's why I say expect to see a drive on time. But that's why it's being sized for a lot of capacity. 18:15:38 I mean, past the 720 yeah. Yeah, well above that I mean hundreds of thousands of gallons potentially. 18:15:47 Terrified. Yes, after it goes through the plant. 18:15:58 This will be a, this will be a, well, the together HTTP, so, so we won't have and we would come by as forwards with going into the city of 4 towns and how we would have and we would come by with going into the city of 4 towns and how it would come by with going into the city of 4 counts and how it would be combined sewers or water or just 18:16:14 infiltration from older. And whatever it calls from this time. Well, the rain will certainly go into that. 18:16:24 Yeah. We will have any. There will be odor control at the wastewater treatment plant system that pulls the gases off and controls owners at the plan. 18:16:41 Because when you, sewage through these lines and then it suddenly gets Nottingham. 18:16:52 As. And I would suspect that happened to which she resonates with your desert landscape, this challenge idea that could go away and then we would be. 18:17:01 Gradually there'd be more and more water, but I, the infiltration, oops, sorry. 18:17:08 Infiltration rate, but there would be soils here so high that it's gonna, you know, there's a pond off the end of the runway. 18:17:17 That's a storm water pond that you almost never see water in. That's kind of what I expect this one to. 18:17:23 To act like, we did. 10 years ago, hundreds of thousands of dollars of geotechnical and, hydrological modeling and studies of this site. 18:17:35 They modeled it up to 700,000 gallons a day. Before they started seeing a groundwater mounding issue. 18:17:44 So, anyway, it's, been, thoroughly. Investigated for sure. 18:17:54 I guess while I'm on this. The part that the current contractor is currently doing besides this pond. 18:18:02 They're doing the grading at the wastewater treatment plant site itself, the road that goes into it. 18:18:07 The main sewer influence lines coming from. The highway about where the library is into the wastewater treatment plant and the main line coming out of the wastewater treatment plant area to this. 18:18:20 Site and that's the slightly over 1 million dollar contract we have mine right now. 18:18:30 If we wanna watch these videos, we can. There are couple of 3 min each. They do a better job explaining sewer than I can probably and they're a little more entertaining. 18:18:43 You have not. 18:18:52 Okay. 18:19:08 So you guys are gonna be to take Sylvie's Phillip out share in which you have things. 18:19:14 There will be over the wastewater treatment plant equipment. Originally was gonna sit open air, but as we. 18:19:22 Required add adequate funding for this project we were able to add a canopy over it that will essentially be a roof like at the transfer station. 18:19:34 So I'm 8 foot walls and then a big. I can't fully enclose it without spending a lot of money on air handling so it'll be open air on the sides but it'll protect it. 18:19:49 There will be a small administration building for. A worker at the sewer plant. And there'll be some storage, buildings for. 18:20:00 Parts. Kind of. 18:20:06 What happened in 1,984 was we started having trouble with septic tanks. 18:20:12 They found out that they wasn't perking. So they had perk tests done throughout the city and found out the city was just saturated at time and they told us they weren't only issue no more building permits in Bloomingdale until we found something a different way to get rid of a sewage. 18:20:25 So the city looked into gravity flow and they looked into low pressure sewer and the more we looked into low pressure sewer the better we liked it over to gravity and so we went with the low pressure solar system in 1,984. 18:20:38 I come to work for the city of Bloomingdale in 1,989 we had roughly about 700 grinder pumps at the time. 18:20:44 We're up to over a thousand pumps that we have in the ground now. One of the advantages of the all terrain sewer is the depth of the mains is what we found really Most of the deepest men we have in Bloomindale here is not but 3 foot deep. 18:20:57 So whenever you're out here doing the doing the installs yourself and you're tapping the mains and running laterals. 18:21:03 You know, three-foot holes, nothing to dig out here. IA lot of the gravity I hear they're 1520 foot deep. 18:21:10 My first impression when I first started with the City of Bloomydell and I looked at a grinder pump, my first impression was what was I thinking? 18:21:18 You know, I mean. Look at these things and you just think they're going to be horrible to work on you have no idea what to do. You have no idea what to do. 18:21:27 But I will say I after I started here we called to do. But I will say I after I started here we called the factory and the factory actually sent a I started here we called the factory and the factory actually sent a representative down he showed us to factory and the factory actually sent a representative down. 18:21:33 He showed us how to work on ground or pumps. He showed us how to work on a ground or pumps. 18:21:38 He was here 2 days and he showed me how to work on the pumps. Wasascan has a a strict focus on service. 18:21:42 That's what their company was built on. Their logo, WASCOM, was derived from the words water and sore controls. 18:21:52 But when I looked at Wasca and I saw a different meaning which was we're a service company. 18:21:55 I saw a different meaning which was we're a service company of notoriety. I have 2 guys at phone call all the time during business hours from 8 to 4 30. 18:22:29 I got one guy that works on the pumps. And I said we have over a thousand pumps in the ground. 18:22:33 I wouldn't believe it when I first started. I wouldn't believe you could run a thousand pumps with 2 guys. 18:22:38 I was thinking it was gonna take a full crew to do everything but like I said once we got into the pumps and we found out just how easy they were and and how efficient they work. 18:22:46 You could really do it with just one person. So I mean we'll go months and not have a call. 18:22:53 We're going through a phase now where we're trying to swap out the old ones. I still have pumps in the ground that were put in in 84. 18:22:57 That are actually still working today. 18:23:02 The craziest thing we ever found working on it, we found a screwdriver. 18:23:01 So I Okay, found a screwdriver in one and they had it. It pulled it out and kept working after that. 18:23:12 So, A little bit of sales pitch, but those E one pumps are good. There was another 2 min video that describes pressure. 18:23:21 I don't know if you could find that when I and I can't see the top of my screen. 18:23:24 Did you know there is a clinically proven method to improve hearing and 18:23:29 That as long as we're here, yeah. I know we're kind of getting up trying to do video. 18:23:39 Zoom. Meeting, but, Right, yeah, I appreciate Greg trying to work through this maximize it here. 18:23:50 I'm Bruce Giles. I'm the General Manager of First Utility District in Knox County. 18:23:55 I've spent 13 years working for municipality. And then I went to a. 18:23:54 Probably got that one there. Yeah. I won't get kind of long. 18:24:01 How about this one right here? That, yeah. 18:24:07 Hello Anne, welcome to 18:24:08 Hello and welcome to E one's live webinar series on the design and performance of pressure sewer systems. 18:24:12 No. Okay. Yeah. Bye. 18:24:16 We'll be covering part one in our 2 part series for the next step. Hour with a presentation entitled Avoiding 18:24:24 Yeah, you know, that's fine. Alright, we'll bring your presentation back. Okay. 18:24:31 Thank you, Craig. The other video just described again, some of the stuff that was in the first video, which is essentially you're using these grinder pumps. 18:24:39 To push Sue Jaff load towards the wastewater treatment plant. It doesn't have to be, downhill in, deep sewers and stuff. 18:24:50 So I could say it's a lot of money, which we were trying to do to get this project off the ground. 18:25:02 I think this is where, Sam, you were gonna. And if you go home and you look up sewers on YouTube, you can buy some really hot stuff. 18:25:24 Are you gonna put a fence around the whole plan and will it be security? Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, so. 18:25:31 There'll be a fence around the pond and then there'll be a sensor on the treatment plant when it's on. 18:25:40 Have a look at it. It's a no climb fence. So, we're gonna talk a little bit more about grander pumps and then we're gonna get a couple frequently asked questions and then we're gonna get a little bit more about grander pumps and then we're gonna get a couple of frequently asked questions without a lot of people would be 18:26:06 here who want to hook up to sewer. So, concentrate on onsite card. The red is the, yes it is. 18:26:10 So again, this is on the drain that comes out. This is a typical detail of a grinder pump situation. 18:26:19 And just as Monty said, it goes from a control panel and we need 240 volts and then a 30 amp circuit and that's been the tricky part on this project so far as figuring out how to wire everybody's panel to accept the so, this project or Project 18:26:38 Green or Phase 4 or phase D. And depending on what you wanna call it, we, is the onsite portion of the project. 18:26:50 After we do the grading part that Seaton's doing currently, we are gonna bid the wastewater treatment plant and the collection system and then the last phase is to the on site work so we can actually get sewage coming into the treatment plan itself. 18:27:05 And the hardest part with this project is not only connecting all of our high warnings as source, but all of the timeline for everything needs to come together at the same time for 4 projects. 18:27:17 So that's the tricky part for this one. But just what you're seeing here is I clean out detail. 18:27:24 We're gonna The building dream comes by gravity and then we will cap or plug somewhere in this range where it goes out to the septic tank and then to the leash field, the decommissioning of the septics would be part of the onsite work. 18:27:38 And then it would go into the grinder pump. This would look similar to what people look at for the water meter boxes. 18:27:45 It's a very similar control. There were the onsite contractor would connect to this device and then that would go into the pressures little pressure sewer system. 18:27:57 So as I said, this is not anybody's example here. We found this on the internet. 18:28:02 So the grinder pumps and how we connect them by, the electrical part has been a tricky part for us. 18:28:09 And so we're learning as we're going here. The grinder pumps, they do need a dedicated service. 18:28:15 It's a 2 40, 30 am for a residential. That's for that one simplex or single pump that you need. 18:28:21 And so we are message to property owners as we're, we're, to bring the power to us so that we can connect to it. 18:28:31 And to try to make it as simple as possible. 18:28:40 Oh, we've received questions about how much electricity costs these will. The You dollars a month. 18:28:51 Because while they draw a lot of power in they're running, they don't run now. 18:28:57 So a cup of coffee. For a typical residential. Service a lot of money for a lot of the homes. 18:29:08 So they would have to upgrade for just one another. Yeah, we're looking at a way that we could provide assistance for that. 18:29:16 The problem is we don't have enough people to go around figuring out everyone's channel and some of the property owners. 18:29:21 Oh, want us in their panel. They'd rather hire their own electrician to get add up created and they want to do other upgrades while they're at it. 18:29:30 Some of the property numbers we've talked to are like You're bringing me sewer at your cost. 18:29:36 I'll take care of the power because that's a heck of a deal. But as Sam said we're the electrical panels, some of them are maxed out, some of them are you know, there's just find out kinds of things in there, you know. 18:29:54 So there are little mini projects within themselves. So as I, so we are breaking this. 18:30:02 This is a very broad breakdown of our project schedule. As Monty mentioned, we've already procured the membrane bioreactor from OH. It's hard to say quickly. 18:30:13 We are doing the site currently. We are doing the site currently with and the wastewater treatment plant will be the next days actually phase 3 4 and 5 we're gonna do them all together just to make it even more fun down in the port hablock area. 18:30:26 So the treatment plant will go first and that as Monty mentioned will be the buildings, the admin part. 18:30:30 I'm bringing in the Vivo unit and grading and paving the site and then connecting to the work of Seaton did is doing currently. 18:30:39 The low pressure sewer system, if you all remember the map from before. So going from the library down to the Masonic Hall all the way down to the sheriff's office. 18:30:51 We're putting in collection system in that whole area of And then the phase 4 we're gonna break out the onsite portions into about 25 to 30. 18:31:01 Units out of time so that we're gonna start with our highest flow users and then work our way down until, we can, we're trying, our goal is to get as many people who want to hook up with is our goal. 18:31:15 And so that puts us We're hoping to be where. I guess what we're telling the public we're gonna be done in 2025 with our initials and the treatment plan up and running and then we'll be phasing some of the on-site portions in as the treatment plan comes up and 18:31:31 running. So that will be a couple of years out. 18:31:37 And so this is our funding. That we received that Monty mentioned earlier, we had, American Rescue Plan Act funds and then we got a big push for the 20 million dollars. 18:31:50 Dr. Barringer's office, which is, commerce is our funding agency that we converse with for that portions of the money. 18:31:59 We have money here from Murray and Congress office and that funding agency that we're dealing with is EPA for that and then Ecology rounds it out with the grant and loan. 18:32:10 I don't have 35.6 million dollars. 18:32:16 And then who is required? Hello, so. 18:32:23 So it appears you reduced the cost significantly. So what is the cost? Or a home. For residence. 18:32:40 We're getting that's actually a question that's gonna come up here. That's actually a question that's gonna come up here. 18:32:49 Oh, another right there. And so it's who is required to connect is, one of the questions. 18:32:53 We are internally we're working on the single ordinance and, it will be presented to the BOCC this fall is our hopes. 18:33:03 Commercial not a residential over 4,000 gallons. Of water usage per month are required to connect multi family housing is required all new developments that comes into the phase one area will be required. 18:33:19 If somebody subject fails and then non new expanding septic systems will be allowed in the sewer air. 18:33:31 No new or expanding systems will be allowed. And then in the phase one area for existing homes, it's an optional connection for them. 18:33:36 There are a few, single family residents in the area. You can clarify no new or expanded septic systems. 18:33:45 So the second one, I don't want that. So once the, facility is built in the phase one area and a vacant lot comes in the phase one area and a vacant lot comes in and they will not be allowed to build in the phase one area and a vacant lot comes in and they will not be allowed to build a septic system. 18:34:02 It will be required Is there any other questions on this part? 18:34:07 And then how much will a sewer cost? So the initial connections, as we have talked about, we are doing our best to have to put in as many of the connections as we can with the grants that we have currently. 18:34:21 And the property owners were were wanting them to be responsible for the power part that we went over a little bit sooner the 240 volts with a 30 amp circuit. 18:34:32 And then since we need We're shooting for 24,000 gallons for our initial startup of the plant and that puts us around 25 to 30 residentials of our highest water users. 18:34:45 So they're gonna be our first ones that we're installing. With the treatment plans in the collection system. 18:34:51 And then as as we get those that batch of They're not. Property is connected and we'll continue to move down the base one area until we run out of So and then in the future this is maybe answered your question in the future what we've heard when you build. 18:35:12 A septic system is between 20 and $25,000 for a property and that's roughly what it would cost. 18:35:19 To the connect to install the brand or pump connect. So it would be about the same cost. 18:35:25 That's helpful. The existing users in the Hey, one service area, the initial service area. We're aiming to connect. 18:35:38 Most of them until our grant funding runs out and we think we have. Enough to do most of the existing customers in there. 18:35:47 Yeah, the cost of the grant so the property owner don't have to pay anything with That's possible. 18:35:57 Exception of getting their power, service upgraded. So. Pretty good deal. You won't find that. 18:36:05 Anywhere else. Once, sewer is in. Like that made it, the existing customers hooked up as many as we can with the grant funds and the future. 18:36:16 Someone wants to build a new home or business, then they're gonna have to pay the cost. You'll have the contractor come in and install their grinder pump which could cost them Hi, in that in that range or more if it's a large commercial business but the answer to how much it costs, an 18:36:35 existing, a separate customer today, 0. Come on, see a question I got after one of our meetings at the library. 18:36:42 I know we know how far down the list we're gonna get like are we gonna actually be able to make a list and then tell people. 18:36:56 Right here for now. We're gonna know a lot more once we get out those standard portions of this project, how much money is remaining but We're being cautious because we don't we'd rather under promise and over delivered but Our funny picture looks pretty good right now. 18:37:16 Just put it that way. We got an exceptional bid on our first contract that we let out. 18:37:23 So that simply freeze up money for the future phases, but it's. A dynamic bidding climate the last few years and when we get into assembly Waste water treatment plan and the buildings and stuff that's work that we don't get involved in very often. 18:37:41 When we think our estimates are good, but maybe we'll, maybe we'll do better than Good morning. 18:37:50 Or hopefully we don't get surprised. Find out that we were a little better. But we know a lot more after we like those kids towards the end of this year. 18:37:57 For our remaining funds are gonna go. But I think it's super great positive and Just don't wanna be. 18:38:08 It might be. You have a question from the public. Liza to clarify would be about the same cost, but what would be the monthly cost of See you. 18:38:24 That's coming up. Great question. That is our next question that I'm coming down. 18:38:31 Thank you, Liz. How much will sewer service cost per month? The simple answer is $80. 18:38:40 For residential commercial will also pay 2 to a half cents per gallon for water use above the first 4,000 gallons. 18:38:51 We are proposing a discount program for People are low income. Like most sewers, the sewer bills based on your water use bill. 18:39:03 If you're commercial and you're using about that amount of water. Because sewer is not typically metered. 18:39:10 So that your water is electricity as we said will cost much. That'll be the property owners responsibility. 18:39:19 To keep the rates at this $80 we expect county is gonna have to subsidize operations initially. Because it's very difficult to start us. 18:39:31 A sewer with a very few users. The staffing and it's what the better needs to maintain one. 18:39:39 So as we get more and more users the system would become more self sufficient but We're targeting this. 18:39:47 This amount I have another slide on that. This is. Monthly bills for some comparable locations. 18:39:57 And this is where $80 falls in that range. Or Townsend's giving everyone a really great deal right now. 18:40:08 And Langling. Not so much. So. This is a typical sewer. 18:40:15 Sewer rate. 18:40:20 Next slide here. We already talked about who takes care of the grinder pumps. We will for the PED by agreement. 18:40:28 1 point on cost is that you won't be paying this annual septic. Alright, I mean you're out for 5 min as well as the following. 18:40:38 Yes. So that's probably 2 months worth. Yeah, and in addition to that, inside of the area when you're on the list to be connected. 18:40:47 The demo of the second MS. And maybe we're working with environmental health. Make sure the permits are off. 18:40:59 Yes. 18:41:02 Maybe this student. That you haven't definition. We do. Our, ordinance hasn't been adopted, but so it's a work in progress, but we're drawing from. 200, 200% probably. 18:41:24 200% of the poverty level. 18:41:24 Municipalities and examples. Organizations that have low income programs. There are proposals to make it a little bit more broad. 18:41:36 And so if you qualify for OCAP or. And the proposed rate would be half. Oh, what's that? 18:41:52 Another question. I'm just, I've called this for missing the first part of your presentation. 18:42:03 Every residential sites, because they're not shared at all. Well, like we've been working with the mobile home owner and currently a lot of those mobile phones there's one drain field for 2 mobile homes so they potentially could have one or It's possible it could be shared. 18:42:25 Yeah. Yeah. So what a sewer allow a person to do with their property. At the least, you can use the area that's currently occupied by your drain field and your reserve drain field for an or parking or a shop. 18:42:49 Or because the zoning, increases once sewer is available. The The minimum, the lowest density after sewers available is 4 to 6. 18:43:01 Whileing units per acre. Right, right now the zoning is one unit per 5 acres, although we have many. 18:43:08 Smaller lots of record that you can Oh, put a home on and in that case you need at least 12,500 approximately a quarter acre to do. 18:43:19 A, a dwelling on but you could you can get a lot more residential density once sewer is available. 18:43:30 And then for commercial, I won't get into it, but there's use tables and commercial can do a lot more with their property also. 18:43:37 I mean, QFC. We've heard, but they would like to expand. It's a very busy storm and the sewer would allow them to do that. 18:43:48 It's a very busy storm and the sewer would allow them to do that. Other commercial users may have, would allow them to do that. Other commercial users may have, plans. 18:43:51 Again, I, would allow them to do that. Other commercial users may have, plans. 18:43:52 Again, I want to speak for them, but other people with commercial property are chopping at the bit, waiting for Sue to be available so that they can. 18:44:00 They can, you know. And do something with their property that. As more urban in nature. 18:44:08 So like this might be on a picture one, say I have a property and it's a 2 bedroom home. 18:44:17 I've got a septic in the dream field. So if I connected. And I can use that new area, but I could also come into a building permit. 18:44:27 I know you're charging by water usage but Does that mean that the limitation on the number of is not existing anymore. 18:44:50 So when it goes to building 100 we do the number of bedrooms isn't gonna be affected by Not. 18:45:04 Should be, it's not gonna be limited back there. Development. Yeah. To put a drag your pump in, do you have to have an existing home or the limit for existing home like the PV when the water line went in on there so you could buy the save your right basically for our lesser fee. We're not gonna have that program. 18:45:39 We are gonna put the sewer keys and stuff out to all properties so that when someone decides to develop, they won't have to dig into the county road and out in the middle where the sewer line is to get sewer service, they'll be able to access the sewer at the curve. 18:45:43 Essentially. 18:45:47 Thanks, Yeah, this is the last slide. How can I get more information? I think everyone knows where we are. 18:45:56 In town, you call us, you can go on our website, you can email us, you can drop in, We like to believe we're pretty accessible. 18:46:08 Pretty busy. We've been pretty accessible. We love to talk to people. Particularly in the phase one area about their sewer service. 18:46:17 We have met with Many, many of the property owners within that boundary one in one which we see it works a lot better than a big public meeting where no one can really get their personal. 18:46:27 Attention they need to answer their questions and we've met multiple times with some property owners. We required easements from some property owners, which leads to discussions about their sewer service. 18:46:41 We know we haven't yet 100% of the property owners in there. But, we love to talk to anyone about super service and we had a couple of these a couple of weeks ago. 18:46:57 Neighborhood up there on the Curtis Street area. Because we decided to run a line through there. 18:47:08 It was more convenient. And we thought, well, we need to talk to these people because they haven't been contacted. 18:47:13 And we thought, well, we need to talk to these people to say haven't been contact really about this. 18:47:14 But again, We're not trying to keep people at arm's life. Hey, that's about it. 18:47:24 I know we took way more time probably than we deserve, but, it was great. 18:47:34 Any questions for, Does the boundary go out? Well, the, like, that's a great question. 18:47:49 We didn't have a question. It's up to about Matteson Street. I'll add it to it. 18:48:10 Right. Thanks. 18:48:15 Did you guys talk? Or do you want to, So. The larger urban growth area, which 18:48:27 Eventually should get sewer goes all the way up to Chimacan Creek and Irondale. 18:48:35 It includes Rody Drive out here. From approximately a sign station where the cough in the coffee shop there are the stories down to A little bit south of Carl's lumber. 18:48:47 Those are future phases. Also includes the alcohol plant area out here. Nature phase. This boundary again approximate approximately grabs the commercial and higher density residential areas. 18:49:05 You can just start to see some of the commercial zoning on roadie drive here. There's a bunch of red up here. 18:49:12 That would be a next phase. And this bound these. Sub boundaries or this phasing approximately follows the phasing that was first discussed in the sewer facility plan as far back as 2,005, 2,006. 18:49:31 It was always going to be developed in stages. Where is the 72,000 gallons? Is that? 18:49:35 Is that capacity in phase one, do you think? It's in phase one with. Build out development. 18:49:42 You know, getting the mobile home part hooked up will help getting habitat when they develop their thing will certainly start pushing us up higher and higher. 18:49:55 You know, there may be capacity to If there's a neighborhood that really wants sewer service to expand again that but we're containing the initial project within this boundary. 18:50:09 We have to put a container around it. It's difficult enough as it is to get all this. 18:50:17 I've been frustrated in the past that I couldn't see what animal the shape is. But I actually figured it out today. 18:50:24 It's a Dundee. Very. What angular is why some of these other areas are Well, again, this was The this was the boundary that was growing in the sewer facility plan 20 years ago and it is there to capture the highest water users in the commercial and multi family housing areas. 18:51:01 There was at the time less interest from some of these residential areas than being connected to because Everyone's perspective differs, but these people are in septic systems that are working just fine and are not interested in. 18:51:18 Subdividing their property and building something new. Of course, as soon as someone septic system fails, they can't get super fast enough. 18:51:28 But, you know, not everyone's. Thrilled with paying $80 a month consumer service and potentially the cost to install. 18:51:35 I sewer when they have a septic system that works adequately for them. But, also a practical part is that area needs to be built in order to provide a more fewer system or selecting facility to the upper area. 18:51:51 So it's starting. Have the clue. And then everything will connect into the system. Some of those people are be happy with the system. 18:52:02 And some of those people are to be happy with the 18:52:04 The sewer lines are being sized for. Significant expansion well above 72,000 gallons and it could be extended in the future. 18:52:23 Surprisingly though, that's the least. Of the cost concerns. I mean that. Even if it comes on a trucks a million and a half bucks. 18:52:35 It's the digging. It's the other 30 million. This is everything that goes around. 18:52:37 So adding another unit, you know, could be potentially a couple 1 million dollars or something in the future. 18:52:45 You know, Department of Ecology who gave us a grant loan mostly grant for this project varied. 18:52:52 Interested in getting people off. Septic in, More dense suburban areas like this. 18:53:02 So, I feel like in the future there could be additional grants to. Connect more people. But We got our hands full for the next year. 18:53:14 It would be grandf that we've already secured. You know, from. So the building is designed for a second. 18:53:21 And for the future. Yes. But to Joe's point, if there are. Other areas that want to ship with that? 18:53:32 What will that process look like? Approximate to the existing service area. Yeah It's just too much for us to think about right now because Just like every one of those electric panels is a project, you know, we have 2 people working. 18:53:52 2, 3 people. We have some part-time people and we have Samantha and John Black. 18:53:57 Okay. You know, you could take a lot of different pathways. Everything from people needing to do an LID for sewer service extension to the county. 18:54:10 Sponsoring and looking for grants to help them. And in sooner service do some combination of that. I think we'll just, well. 18:54:19 I have to cross that bridge when we get to it in the future. And, in addition to that part, the ordinance and the rates are the first part to come and, in project blue. 18:54:32 And we also have, engineering design standards and details that are kind of being created for the construction of each of our of the connections and then the onsite artwork and then we just need to put that together. 18:54:47 We've looked at different cities and utilities and we've been compiling engineering design standards or details so that we can. 18:54:57 It's actually simple, but then, you know, when the time comes we can. I guess you could later right outside of school. 18:55:11 So we're going to make her own so that's the it's in the planning but as Mandie said we're gonna have our 18:55:14 So, Monty for the public could use the acronym on LID. Local improvement district is. 18:55:22 A process which You mentioned the Marista Water Project that you did where property owners essentially decide that they want an improvement like a sewer line extension or a water line extension. 18:55:35 And they pay for that through property assessments that might be spread over 20 years. Packet point has a So we're system that has E one rider pumps. 18:55:48 Doesn't go to see our treatment plan goes to a drain field. They put that in 15 years ago, 12 years ago with a local agreement district. 18:55:56 Obviously they were highly motivated because you did come 4 feet in your ground water. Out there, yeah, depending on the tide in the season. 18:56:06 So that's what a local improvement. That's one mechanism if there weren't grants available to extend, you know, 2 other neighborhood outside of this boundary. 18:56:19 How does that work with zoning though once you you know the urban growth is on areas unlocked with when the sewer goes in and then if a neighborhood wants to do a lid. 18:56:30 The donating is just they're added to the urban growth area when they when they get that sewer in. 18:56:35 Is it just as BCD director can correct me if I'm wrong, but the. The zoning has been adopted for the larger urban growth area. 18:56:48 So the only thing that's needed to turn that on is a sewer line in the street in front of your. 18:56:51 Property that you can get to. So it's It's already there. It just needs to be switched on, which is getting a sewer line. 18:57:05 So they wouldn't have to go through any additional process to get rezoned or anything like that. 18:57:12 Just again, You think we're in that, right now where people are starting to go, well, in a couple of years, is going to be available in this boundary. 18:57:23 Can I start? Planning for and applying for a future building based on that zoning and that's a question that's being. 18:57:34 Wrestled with right now, like what does that process look like so people could get a head start? 18:57:39 Now wait till the sewer treatment plants up and running. Before they start and start planning, you know. 18:57:47 I mean, sewer is not there till it's there, so it might have to be at the property owners risk, but there could be a process where at least they could. 18:57:56 You know, start talking and accounting about about that and then there's some property owners interested in that. 18:58:03 Well, there got to be amusements for So each property owner would have to do an easement. 18:58:10 No costs similar to the easement for PD has for the, electric service on your property. 18:58:18 To get to your elected panel. So if he doesn't make her any happier, I don't think. 18:58:30 Since we're doing these connections at least the initial match at the county cost, possibly Yeah, but there's 2 of them recorded at the same time. 18:58:47 That is, I think the habitat opportunity is a huge opportunity and we all know that housing and I was asking a great job building. 18:58:58 You know, small developments as they can, but this is nice and street, project is gonna be a game changer. 18:59:11 Affordable housing. Our area and there are other entities like in as well. Properties that they own and the areas that are now encumbered by a drain field will be available for building other apartment buildings like behind greenhouse pizza. 18:59:30 So really beyond just how a habitat is planning to do in such an area here. I think it's kind of. 18:59:35 You know, at least address some of the capacity issues we're having with workforce and affordable housing. 18:59:46 And that's the thing I'm most excited about about the project and I've done a lot of these, And, it's the thing that resonates. 18:59:55 Yeah, I agree. I mean, I think initially 20 years ago when the UGA was established there was a lot of interesting commercial development but now it's really the housing component that's become come to the forefront and those housing providers are very interested. 19:00:12 You, another one to mention is the fully capped the facility behind the county shops. So set out 7. 19:00:21 Wants to expand the existing apartments down there at, Yeah, lower. HAD lockdown. 19:00:29 Hi, expand but they're very excited about having sewer services, I guess. Difficulties with the drains field. 19:00:37 So there's, yeah, a lot of lot of interest in, in housing for sure. 19:00:45 Yeah, I was thinking about the metadata development there, which is that manufacturing call was hard. And it was not inadequate. 19:00:55 That's it. It's sort of all the laws there. We just started talking with people. That's a condominium. 19:01:03 So I'm kind of wondering if If the agreement to pay $80 a month or whatever and forecast goes with the owner of What if they don't pay? 19:01:13 They're a buddy, anything or how does that work? Yeah, I mean. We're working on the audience. 19:01:29 We'll be drawn. We'll be drive from other cities that have figured this out. I mean, those are good questions. 19:01:34 You know, typically leans are used. I don't, you know. That I know. We're looking at billing, you know, use with the because they're already building for water and electricity and their electric customer seems to be the best. 19:02:07 Because for example in both part they're billing even though there's one owner at the mobile home park they're building the individual. 19:02:16 Mobile homes or electric service so we would be doing the same sewer service so that That mobile home. The owner is having to track down all the people that aren't paying him, you know what I mean? 19:02:31 So it's direct to them. Directivity. The owner of the mobile, so probably a similar thing. 19:02:39 Sorry, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, see, we're in Walmart, we'll run together, so you shut down. 19:02:47 They don't shut up. 19:02:50 Come on in, you can cross. 19:02:59 What's your so bio solids? Second. On site to a slurry like consistency and there would be There will be odor control, equipment. 19:03:22 That is installed at that location and then they will be called to the city port towns and compost facility to be further processed with the art degree and mix turning into compost. 19:03:39 So, The potential for voters there, but there's order handling equipment. I've been to several sewer treatment plans with Samantha. 19:03:48 Meeting the one, port gamble installed in Avivo plan just like ours 5 years ago. 19:03:55 And there's no odor at that plan. And they don't even have a voter control on that one. 19:04:01 It's far enough away from surrounding developments and you can't smell that thing until you're standing right on top of it. 19:04:10 Yeah, ours has a little more potential for odor because of that. Pressure sewer versus a gravity sewer but again that's why we're installing or controlled equipment and we went and looked at. 19:04:23 That's. Planets you a month ago and we're gonna install under control similar to theirs. 19:04:32 I'd say those biased solids are probably gonna get all about once a week. We clear in an enclosed tank. 19:04:39 Until they're, draining into that a truck hall about to the compost facilities, they're not just out open air, floating around. 19:04:52 That way we can capture the 19:04:54 Good. Administrative plants would accumulate by solids. Yeah, it's just a matter of how much they process them on site. 19:05:05 I mean, if you're running the sewer treatment plan for the city of Brampton you're probably doing everything on site and turning it into dirt. 19:05:13 We can't afford to do that with our small start up. So we've got to take advantage of the existing. 19:05:20 Processes with our neighbors that are already used. But, we will be. Going straight to the compost facility with won't be dumping it into the septage facility at the transfer station, which is a city owned and operated facility. 19:05:44 So we'll actually be improving the capacity because that systems kind of capacity right now. Deceptic scholars have gone up against capacity issues so We're not gonna be adding to that. 19:05:56 We're gonna be taking away from that by at least separate users that were converting to sewer wall, no longer being. 19:06:03 Prompted by Goodman or someone like that and using that Outside of that facility, the next closest one is down in Shelton. 19:06:13 It doesn't wanna ask me, but it's a lot of training. 19:06:20 I mean like I said, engineers, we can talk. No, I guess it's just this project today, but we'll have you come to the next one and you can talk about that. 19:06:45 I guess it's just this project today, but we'll have you come to the next one and you can you can talk about that Yeah. 19:06:47 All right. Well, thank you guys very much. Yeah, I really appreciate it. Oh, thank you. 19:06:59 Does anyone online have any questions for, You can hit Ray's hand or start an iron if you're with us and have a question. 19:07:04 Regarding the, Okay. I don't see any. So we'll move on in our agenda to our quick snapshots. 19:07:16 I'd encourage people to be very quick. In fact, does anyone have a snapshot that you really like to share. 19:07:22 We largely know what our departments do and when we've got more opportunities here. Okay. No one has any quick snapshot or update on anything programmatic will move right into the next phase, which is really questions and answers. 19:07:42 Yeah, go ahead, yeah. Yeah, I'm the county. It's faster and we value 1 6 in the county each year. 19:07:48 This year we are doing a try area. So we've gone through and we've re-valued the try area. 19:07:54 And as well as the area right around it and values are gonna go up I mean the dryers bring up a little bit faster than other areas. 19:08:03 And one of the reasons for that is because IRndale we've been undervaluing the land for quite a while and we're getting more and more land sales. 19:08:13 Now is that due to the sewer or is it due to the fact that housing capacity is that or else they're getting priced out of 4 towns and something more interest in that area. 19:08:34 Or else they're getting priced out of 4 towns and something more interest in that area. But the values are gonna go up probably the last month up with 80 20%. 19:08:35 So you're gonna see some I just thought it was important to note that if you look at the sick area. 19:08:39 The try area is down here with an average home value of 343. That's about the same as Brandon. 19:08:48 And and a manufactured home in a trier he's been selling about the same at the manufactured home in Brandon. 19:08:54 Right, so even though it's going up, it's still well under the North Pimper property. 19:09:02 I mean, you've got Maristone up here at the top with a 615,000 in home value. 19:09:06 And then you've got a portrait law ball, you've got the north clamper, you know, which includes Paul. 19:09:14 And now in the middle here you have the city and the average county are almost exactly the same. So they are in the middle. 19:09:21 So even though the tryer is coming up, you're still well below where these other areas are and this is quilting right here so you've got Quilting Brandon and the Trier down here. 19:09:33 So you've got quilting right here. So you've got Clilisin Brandon and the Trier down here. 19:09:34 I think the tryer is probably gonna continue to climb. Is that due to the sewer? Yeah, in March, you know, and that probably contributes into it. 19:09:40 Will it eventually push out the lower guide mode? I don't know, but you're gonna, you are seeing it's basically a decline in value. 19:09:48 Okay. You don't feel movements with people. Some, but not much. So we're seeing more sales than in IRdale and around there have been we've seen for many many years. 19:10:07 Workout is pretty stable. It's always climbing, but it's, you know, Yeah. 19:10:14 No, I think you're gonna see that. You're gonna see a more desire to have more housing in. 19:10:19 Try it. Yeah, alright. So I have something I need to walk back. Yeah. All right. So I have something I need to walk back. 19:10:33 I, so I have something I need to walk back. I, the past few meetings have been very, to announce how I would be getting out of the corner of Turns out that's not. 19:10:45 Helping me and my partner probably doesn't have to figure out where he's gonna find a few extra $100,000 to yourself in office. 19:10:51 And as I was getting closer to creating my budget over the next couple of years, get this office. 19:10:58 Setup I started taking a close look at the statues that were passed a couple of years ago and conversing with some of my fellow prosecutor coroners who are And, discovered that, 19:11:16 There was a lot of ambiguity in the statues and a lot of different opinions about what our obligations were going to be. 19:11:25 And so. I contacted, the criminal justice training commission who is basically charged with overseeing a foreigner certification and they said That note change is needed for counties under 40,000 people unless those companies set up. 19:11:45 A separate foreigner's office which is not likely in cars since that's a significant kind of expense. 19:11:54 I want to continue to be. So how long do you expect the TRI area to take to get 6,000 more people. 19:12:21 And Martin. Alright, any other? Update from any of our elected to directors? 19:12:32 I have one brief one. I'm Chris Boys and the services director. Graham was formerly submitted to the scene. 19:12:39 For funding for, up to 4 parking spots. For level 3. Very optimistic about that. 19:12:51 Yeah, Alright, well we'll move on to our kind of round table so this is where the public gets taken over and Ask any questions or make any comment. 19:13:16 So. Right, Cynthia, you know, anything else you wanna talk about? So, it's got to be John is online. 19:13:27 You can hit raise hand if you're online with us. We'd love to hear your questions or your comments. 19:13:30 You know, the, consolidated power of the county here at your fingertips. So we'd love to, field your questions or your button or your comments. 19:13:41 I'm sure everyone wants to go home too. So. Well, just type what I have with this. 19:13:54 All right. Everyone's hear about the tour. I think Monty and Smith that answered everyone's questions. 19:13:59 That was a great presentation. Yeah, yeah, it was a really nice presentation. I think it was actually and it's ironic that there are many members of the public So I don't hear how many departments have a touch too. 19:14:15 They're the transits here, you know, the talking density in my area that was a change in transit like such so many different Yeah, Cynthia. 19:14:26 I'm here to represent. I was talking to Matti at the end there just saying I didn't know coming to this meeting. 19:14:35 That they were gonna be, you guys were gonna be presenting about the sewer. So I think there would be a lot of public interest for a meeting that was specifically. 19:14:45 Monty's application and we've tested an answer for it. For this year. So, 19:14:51 I know other planning commissioners. I know other language was a lot to be here. We didn't know. I printed out your list of meetings. It doesn't say that. 19:15:07 So I think that would be, I think that's important. But then you wouldn't have a lot more ages if we knew that was fun. Yeah, thank you. 19:15:20 And you know, we, there was kind of a last minute addition to the agenda really because it's pretty relevant, especially at this particular. 19:15:24 But yeah. 3 extra people we could have had missed opportunities. I don't know. We obviously need to do something. 19:15:33 So I will say Port Ludlow we have at least 20 people I believe and Brandon Wilson don't worry we're gonna start at least 20 people I believe and Brandon will sing no don't worry we're gonna start and we'll sing no don't worry we're gonna start and we'll sing no don't worry we're gonna start 19:15:45 it here too. So this is really where it just for shines in the community conversation. You know, anything else that anyone wants to share or give an update on? 19:15:54 All right, well I really appreciate everyone making time today and we'll continue to work on our outreach. 19:15:59 Which seems like it needs a little bit more work so we can get people out. Let him know what we're gonna talk about. 19:16:07 You know, I mean, often we want to talk about anything that's interesting. Topics aren't limited to an item but really Run the gamut of county services and opportunities and challenges. 19:16:21 So. Thank you everyone for your time tonight and I will adjourn this special meeting of the board. 18:05:27 From BOCC Special to KathyCruz and all panelists: You can use chat if you have questions 18:19:31 From BOCC Special to Thomas Goodworth and all panelists: You can use chat if you have questions, or hit "raise hand" to ask a question 18:36:16 From Liz Anderson to Hosts and panelists: To clarify, it would be about the same cost, but what would be the monthly cost to residents utilize the sewer system? 18:39:34 From Liz Anderson to Hosts and panelists: Thank you!