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HomeMy WebLinkAboutclosed_caption17:37:20 Yeah. No, let me say you're not 17:37:24 . Yeah I'm here. Here. Like, you're awesome. 17:37:39 That's all you have any of us in personal here. And LG is also there. Okay. 17:37:49 And we do have a set of minutes from August second. But they' a motion to approve the August second week, evening minutes. 17:37:58 The move. I'll second. Okay. Any discussion? 17:38:09 All in favor, And they were. Okay, 5, 7. Yays, no vote, no extensions. 17:38:33 Thank you. Just invited me to the October first planning. One of the things I was hoping Josh Michael here tonight, I'm getting a lot of information from the public in general concern. 17:38:57 Outright, I mean, beyond frustration and anger, it's, it's, desperation. 17:39:02 In, you know, permit status. I know contractors laying off workers in the height of our building season. 17:39:12 And we all need housing. It's. I don't know how many times we can. Talk about it and still feel like. 17:39:19 Almost 12 months later. Trying to figure out how to get this done. In the initial, board account commissioner a meeting to discuss the SDR LLOR situation. 17:39:34 It was thought that it would be a matter of a few $100 in an extra week or 2. 17:39:38 Knows or words from DCD to the board account commissioners. 17:39:46 Yes. Months and months and I know a individuals who are thousands of dollars into it. It's not to say that all of that money would not been spent if it was a required report or something like that. 17:39:59 However, there's just a whole lot of business between designing and engineering and building it's all being caught up in this as affecting businesses and their employees, etc. 17:40:11 We just can't keep pretending. And pushing this will give you know give us a few more months. 17:40:17 The same is true with the information. It's difficult. We went to the new system December second or sixth. 17:40:28 And time that first week, it's still not up and running. You had your email and I know it's not just DCD but Kenny White, I don't know what's going on. 17:40:33 And I can tell you. That and you can hear my voice. It's extremely troublesome. And you know, there's got to be some better understanding of the hurdles that are keeping us keeping you, all of us who doing what we need to do to get this done. 17:40:55 I can't wait a minute. I can't wait 6 more months and I've got clients who can't wait. 17:40:59 I know individuals who have just left. You know, that's ridiculous for us. So let's, I would love to hear. 17:41:09 So the problems all in, some things you're trying, they've tried it work, whatever it is, but you know, let's get this turnover kinda. 17:41:19 Situation under control and it goes after the interviews aren't telling us why these people are needing. I'd be surprised and if we know why it may not be patching some holes here and I'm gonna be given the same little diatribe to the border county commissioners. 17:41:33 I know you guys, we all have a leg in this. And so that's let's walk a little. 17:41:38 Bit to problem solving. We can't wait 12 months, 18 months for an information system to give us accurate information. 17:41:46 Or for building permits to get issue. Nothing in the requirements. Was not already on the books. 17:41:58 I said, plan commission meetings, that told the board account commissioners in person meetings as well as in the public comment period. 17:42:05 This was all unnecessary. Yes, you know have a checklist make sure people know a well a septic in a house design and if there's critical areas deal with it we knew all that before you all knew that before but most of the clients knew that before when they came in they start doing their new diligence on property so let's get this figured out. 17:42:26 I cannot wait 6 more months for you guys trying to figure it out. And same to the Board County Commission, they need to get on this. 17:42:33 So that's that's my Thank you. Bye. I don't mean to. 17:42:42 Go in and repeat what Kevin just said, but I talked to a builder developer this morning. And he got very similar complaints and concerns. 17:42:53 And I just ran into and he was talking to me about the commission and he wanted to know what was going on. And I don't know. 17:43:02 So I'm just telling you. What Kevin said, I got an air full of that this morning and there's nothing we have the planning permission to do except forwarding message. 17:43:10 Well, that's part of what we're here for. 17:43:16 Yeah, I'm going to. Okay, I guess third, the what they're they've been saying. 17:43:29 I have one on who. Boards or more at my bar has been trying 2 years to get a permit for a small shed on the property like a garage type thing. 17:43:40 And They just find it packed up. And, No, to, Florida. Yeah. 17:43:51 Yeah, and then I talked to somebody else. I was asking someone else who's building, they said, oh, we gave up. 17:43:58 And that's happening. So. It's something, seems like it's pretty solvable. 17:44:10 Yeah, I have I've got a project that we've got a permit that was applied for. 17:44:18 The plan was done in June or by the by mid June and we're still waiting. That we've got a we've got a developed site. 17:44:29 That the other permits that have been pulled on the property, the septic was installed in 2,017 there was a new barn that was built in 2,017 so all that was permitted and there was there's an existing house And, we're going to take the existing house. 17:44:47 And we're going to put a new house up in exactly the same footprint no closer to the water and it's way back from what the what our requirements are for set back in the water. 17:44:54 So there's no there's just no issue with it and it says because it's I'm told it's sitting on the still on the SDR, legal lot of record process, even though it's a completely developed use. 17:45:05 It's been there forever. I think Joel got the message. Are there any other topics that you would like discuss? 17:45:18 . Yeah Finally, on the other I'll just say check me too. But my other topic is, I believe one of our county commissioners has has resigned her position and I've heard an official announcement. 17:45:38 Has that officially gone through? Yes. Okay. Yes, it was. 17:45:45 Okay, her reservation letter was provided to the Board of County Fishers. And there's some backstory to that that we can go in and just. 17:45:56 I know the back story. I don't know everybody does. Look at that in the next agenda. 17:46:06 Yeah, sorry to dump on you gentlemen, that George and Joel are doing a good job. 17:46:10 For us. Thank you. Maybe I could, on another category in that spirit of, hey, you're doing a good job. 17:46:21 But I want to follow the record that it's very And I just see conference of plan amendments. 17:46:29 On the potential. 17:46:33 Scheduled, you know, alongside the 17:46:40 The amendment cycle. I guess that's the public hearing would be through the docket, right? 17:46:46 Daniel Dockett. Yes. No, I'm sorry. The public hearing. 17:46:53 That you're looking at. September first public hearing. Yes, that'd be for the, the proposed amendments. 17:47:04 Shoreline and the board has already. The shoreline would be October fourth. Okay, I thought the November first. 17:47:17 So the board has already established the We had that hearing in May. So that. We're up to the point of. 17:47:27 Staff report and. Deliberation on the changes. That's what we're getting to. 17:47:35 I'll go into detail tonight. Okay, and tell us what happened. I've been trying to follow, but I didn't see that. 17:47:44 We've, and, and, and, easy, to, update us on this. And the next agenda item. 17:47:46 Okay, great. Thanks. They were a receiving staff and director updates. Hey. 17:47:54 Got a few items here under. And 5, so, We're advertising the 2 open positions on the Planning Commission District One vacancy from Arlene. 17:48:06 And the Planning Commission District 2 position. And, 17:48:13 The, notice just got out in the paper 2 subsequent weeks. That's typically what we do for advertising. 17:48:22 And I've sent out a couple of emails to you asking to get in contact with your community. And try to drum up interest. 17:48:29 And see to either district one or 2. And. Just some background on Lorna's vacancy. 17:48:37 She didn't want to vacate her seat. But she's also on a state. Fishing wildlife committee. 17:48:47 And so, through a court. Action was found that there would be a conflict of interest and so she had to give up her planning commission. 17:48:57 To stay on the Fish My Life community. It was kind of a surprise to her and everyone. 17:49:06 Like, I guess you said the governor wasn't aware that there would be a conflict. And so this is some kind of new case that came up and established that there's a calling in there. 17:49:16 So that's what happened. Learn also said that there's any you know, things change. 17:49:22 In her status, she'd be excited to be back in at some point and take that on. 17:49:28 And, to the price. So anyway, we have 2 vacancies. And, and I was, I was mentioning just before our meeting started about what a forum is and I was wrong, it is 5. 17:49:40 No fewer than 5. What I was thinking is I thought I had last week about these comprehensive plan amendments in business like that. 17:49:49 Need to be approved by no fewer than 5 affirmative. So this is a way to kind of elevate some of the decisions that this body makes when they're. 17:50:01 Concerning copies of plan amendments or GDC amendments. That it's passed by at least 5 books. 17:50:08 And so that's a reason to fill these vacancies as quickly as we can. So we have. 17:50:12 More room in that. Vote count but for tonight yes it will be a 5 person. So don't do you have any I just invite any feedback for us on this important process. 17:50:33 Filling these 2 seats. How are things going? What's were you here? And I did not get, I just am looking, I did not get that email from you, so I'm wondering if it went to the same. 17:50:44 Empty list of people that the That's a possibility. Now, just to back up the step and that little diversion here, the county's email system outlet was down for. 17:50:57 About 3 weeks in August. And, it was a major catastrophe and there been a lot of work putting things back together again and for example just today I learned that my planning condition. 17:51:11 Group list, which seems to function normally. This empty. And so it was sending out emails to existed. 17:51:22 So I apologize for that. And I hope that you found the agenda. On laser fish, which is, where I don't know today. 17:51:33 So let me ask just as I'm doing these updates. How many? Have not seen the agenda for tonight's meeting. 17:51:40 I thought today. Well, I mean, I haven't. Yeah, I tried to get into it this morning. 17:51:51 I couldn't even get into. Like, how did you get into the agenda when you say you try to go to the agenda when you say you try to just go to the county name page, go to meetings and agendas, go to the county name page, go to meetings and agendas and click on that, go to planning convention and then go to the 2,023 click on that. 17:52:06 But that was not. I send an email to Georgia and I was that was a link that I had not set up between laser fish in the web page. 17:52:19 So you would have had to go to our web page and. And say I wanted a laser dish and then you go to the planet condition. 17:52:27 2023. Cool. So I did that back thing and I'll say it's a hit and miss operation. 17:52:35 I would go, I, since I, I'm very patient person with computers, I tried to get it and told me I couldn't log in. 17:52:42 So I went away that something else came back, tried it again, and it was okay. Yeah, the number of this might be, let's just add to your comment there, a limited number of connections to laser fish. 17:52:55 I've been hitting that limit where it says I can't get in. Oh, that's awesome. 17:52:59 It'll be up in a little red body. And so, we're hitting it there, but it did let you in at some point. 17:53:08 But it did let you in at some point. Eventually I kept trying and then I got in. 17:53:10 I just assume you guys were updating everyone. Eventually I kept trying and then I got in. 17:53:11 I just assumed you guys were updating it when I got the message. And is this all part of the information switch between 2 systems? 17:53:16 Right now. You know this is not part of that. There is a part part of that but there is not the Laser Fish website, and the intergov. 17:53:25 There's a interaction between per connection. Lisa, fish and our permit system. The laser fish files were there Friday, September first. 17:53:34 And you may have had trouble getting it because of black. Handles or The number of people as anyone and so you try to get into the web page to the Blind. 17:53:52 I, what I did is I go into the county web page. And at the bottom it has like meetings and agendas and laser, whatever it is. 17:54:02 So I click on. That's what I always do. And then I just close to the planning commission, click on that. 17:54:07 And it pops up, it came up with this morning when I was in there, but the other day when I was in there, I couldn't get into it. 17:54:14 I tried several times and I found this set up. Message to the, that's helpful to know how you're getting in. 17:54:25 That's helpful to know how you're getting in. That's helpful to know how you're getting in anyone get going different in a different way. 17:54:33 I really rely on you to send the file. I really rely on you to send the file. Those are precious. 17:54:38 So when I, to an Jeffrey County website, you know, departments,CD and through to the planning commission. 17:54:44 And that's all. And that's, that's why, and it is correct. It is. 17:54:48 And I just, you know, I, I don't know that, and this is maybe you can comment on, do they have some idea when the new system gonna be clean and we throw in? 17:55:01 If there's a parson number, I'm just in that permit portal. I just tried to log in for the first time, so it was like long time because I was, email. 17:55:12 Whatever. Yeah, came up username public with the password. Like automatically. 17:55:20 And then it says my login session. So it's giving the public an automatic. The public is getting an automatic sign in. 17:55:32 That's the page. You know, sometimes working. That's kind of the default. I mean, it's not, Page. You're too, he's in it. I'm right. 17:55:43 So he's got one. We need, we need a PDF. Yeah. That's the easiest way to get just what we want. 17:55:50 Well, and moreover, if I'm gonna go look and I don't know that it's there. 17:55:56 I mean, A, it might not work, but if I'm looking and it's not there, then I'm just, I don't know when to look. 17:56:02 So that's why the for all the reasons getting the agenda on email is just it's imperative. 17:56:15 I couldn't get in from the link that I got even today. So, I see what I did shows, I don't need that. 17:56:24 Which link is that of the late? That said, that you said from the Just the the email and the. 17:56:37 To the Zoom Meeting. Yeah. Thank you. Let's hope so. 17:56:46 Yeah, when I erased all the Go to the end of the URL. Then it would let me end. 17:56:54 It's not like a street. I mean, I just deleted this stuff. Yeah, dear. 17:57:04 It's just a whole bunch of them necessary to put these. 17:57:13 Thanks for that. So that. Process for billing the seats would be. 17:57:21 To get applications in and DCD and the planning commissioner of that district. Do some interviews and then the recommendation goes to the full board and the board makes an appointment to the plan equation. 17:57:37 There was an email I got today from the board suggesting that the board might wanna. Planning commission to review the candidates and send a recommendation letter but I haven't confirmed that it might just have been a. 17:57:53 Okay, you've never done that before. Right, right, this is, that's what maybe, one of the things is that we're doing, we kind of know each other backgrounds and everything. 17:58:05 Not necessarily all the board kind of commissioners made that over. And so like if we see someone who's in an industry or something in the community that isn't representative over someone else who might already have that representation, you know, we could advise them and that's all we're doing. 17:58:22 It's advisory, but it can be useful. And we're pretty, we're looking at that as well. 17:58:27 For diversity in. We have had one application for district. So far so. 17:58:34 I don't know if we're gonna run some more ads. Or how your success is. Picking up people recruiting. 17:58:42 But. Any help could you could provide? 17:58:48 Okay, anything else on? The vacant seats? That sounds like a job for the opportunity. Yeah. 17:59:05 Okay, the, the, stipend request, we only had August second request. We only had August second. 17:59:07 Finance said that they are just sending out stipend request. We only had August second. Finance said that they are just sending out stipends for the stipend request. We only had August second. 17:59:15 Finance said that they are just sending out stipends for the June meetings. Finance said that they are just sending out stipends for the June meetings. We have the invoice for Jim. 17:59:17 Yes. To tell us that. Well, my job is pretty much done with stipends. I was spending too much time. 17:59:25 It was thought about but I didn't know that. So all went to financing. You're not going to get this game. 17:59:31 Personal treatment. It's just you're gonna have to keep track of your own. Mail and checks make sure you Keep track of meetings that you've attended. 17:59:43 We'll be sending attendance to the finance. But you have to kind of keep your own records here. 17:59:49 I won't have the year end. Report either for your taxi drug to keep track of all that yourself. 17:59:55 So my concern is that we have no way when we get a check. To know what we're getting paid for. 18:00:03 Yeah. So that was why we created because there was no feedback. There's no way to double check ourselves. 18:00:10 You get a check and you're like, I don't know what this is for. Yeah. 18:00:15 So we put in a memo line to solve that problem and Hopefully that will help. So it'll say what meaning. 18:00:20 Yeah, for what spanned time. And then, So you'll get it. 18:00:30 This type of request for August second, when to finance, it's gonna take a little time. So you'll first get the June and then we'll get August second coming in. 18:00:38 September. Thank you. Bear with us and It's walking. We'll find item C, planning commission retreat date, Josh just wanted to pass on that he's inferring with the board county commissioners regarding and potential days towards the end of the year. 18:01:02 And. And we'll survey you too at that point when we get some feedback from the board. 18:01:10 Regarding the retreat, the kind of format you might be looking for. We've done a number of different things. 18:01:19 All in one day for 3 different days for a retreat. And we'll be asking about the, It's over work if you have any. 18:01:29 By law changes or something like that. So that's forthcoming. The last item D. You'll see, as part of this. 18:01:40 Question of when would you have a retreat? It's dependent upon these proposed dates that we have some work going on with both the comprehensive plan and then the Schrolymaster program. 18:01:54 So these are our proposed dates as we go. That work. And there are 2. Question mark dates of possible special meetings if we need to get some more work done. 18:02:08 But generally, what we had is, The next meeting looking at my staff report for comprehensive plan amendments and going through in detail. 18:02:23 Those 2023 not plan amendments And then October fourth, before I master program hearing. The eighteenth you then the following meeting you'll be deliberating on the SMP. 18:02:35 And November first would be a public hearing for the compound and then the cycle. And then November fifteenth being. 18:02:43 Deliberating on the, and, and drafting your recommendations. So. Any comments about our proposed schedule? 18:02:57 And the work ahead of us. Okay. And that's awesome. ACT staff updates and I'll turn it back to the chair. 18:03:08 Thank you. The item 6 of the agenda is our public comment period. All of the agenda says that comments, other, the agenda can be made this point. 18:03:23 All comments can be made at this point. If anybody would like to speak. Good morning. Okay. 18:03:29 Yeah, everybody online, you know, that. It's Good. 18:03:50 If you're online and wish to speak, raise your hand or indicate. 18:03:57 Yeah, Okay. Okay. 18:04:07 Good. 18:04:10 No comment at this time from Spouse. So yes, sir. Okay, thank you. All the comment period is closed. 18:04:16 I'm 7. It's, it's an agenda. Today we do have. 18:04:21 Because then agenda to accept. One is with regard to 18:04:29 The stock plans. Yeah, I was in there to know that the our stock plan committee has a important role. 18:04:36 To this day, it's developments, but on the process. And we also have a final report from Caswall Brown. 18:04:44 But entertain a motion to accept the consent agenda. All the commissioners raise your hand, you approve. 18:04:57 Yes, We've kind of slipped something new in here just to mention that. The the matter of. 18:05:08 Accepting information from the staff. Bye vote is kind of. Awkward and so we would recommend that we just let the chair just ask. 18:05:21 You consent to receiving information or as easy as you can make it would be fine with DCD. Yeah, that's pretty easy. 18:05:32 We're all in the room. That yeah, it makes a vote and never know it's coming. 18:05:38 Okay. I understand you, the way it works if the answer is no, we don't accept this, then, we can just take the talk, discuss them in some way if they should so choose. 18:05:51 Okay, not to throw any curve balls to you. I think we worked through the consent agenda issue a year ago. 18:06:00 In the next agenda I am selection of officers. Say the time of year when they the chair and vice chair. 18:06:08 I need to be 11. So, asking for nominations for a chair. 18:06:22 Okay, yes, I see on this sheet here that was on the table that I assume that you Richard and Matt. 18:06:31 To nominate. You as a chair and that is the vice chair. Is that with this? I assume that you're looking there was from is your situation is now just to remind you if you already forgot that on the chair that's there I remind you so we still have to nominate, a chair last year. 18:06:54 Hi, I'm gonna Richard. And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, so we have a, yeah, shared advice here and and, and also, you, nominated Matt. So we have like, yeah, shared advice share and I lost that. 18:07:08 What happened? To reelect as chair and vice chair current chair and vice chair. Oh, okay. 18:07:13 Thank you. I was sleeping, I'm sorry. Last year I tried to flip by the commissioners to vote for both at once. 18:07:22 And, there was objective, them separately. Sure, just experience. Alright, do you wanna make sure there's no other nomination? 18:07:37 Well, first, What I was going to do is we have a motion to reappoint Richard and, and, and, and, and, Matt, as Chair vice chair, is great discussion. 18:07:50 No. 18:07:53 On paper, Oh, great window. I think Cynthia is correct. We still have a right. 18:08:01 Somebody else goes. No, nominations aren't discussion, but nominations are nomination. So formally, it doesn't look like that's a situation, but just informal, firmly, the nomination should be open to anyone. 18:08:25 Other additional individuals. Anybody would wish to nominate. Okay, you're in none. All in favor of the nominating reappointing Richard and Matt raise your hand. 18:08:43 Okay, So do a good job. Actually, okay. Next item is appointment of big and subconscious. 18:08:56 Next item is appointment of big and subconscious. Yeah. Now, the, we've talked about waiting until our, retreat to do this, but the, is in the future now. 18:09:06 And these had actually been quite a productive. And especially the the average committee is it's pretty important. 18:09:13 And I think it's time we need to appoint to replace our lean. As chair of the average committee. 18:09:21 And I'd like to have Matt, take over that position. This is okay with it. 18:09:27 Sure. If that continues to work. He's got some great ideas. Anybody else would like to participate in this committee? 18:09:38 I think Joel will be next. 18:09:42 Yeah, on on the stock plan committee. I have a question. I noticed that the report about stock plan from the kind of commissioners. 18:10:03 Indicated that we already had input there. Is it's not our stuff, is our sub-. It's still important to have. 18:10:11 Yes, it's a future work. Yeah, thank you. So we have, you are the chair. 18:10:18 Yeah, yeah, that's why, I'm reminded this, to, Okay. 18:10:30 And cause you resigned, back again. Oh, okay. Okay, so they're saying charity. Okay. You're gonna get chairs. Hey, but I want to have them. 18:10:44 I'm all Would you have connections? We do and to Brett as well. Brett's really spear editing the process and then complete communication workout commissioners on stock plans and with city because the city is also the director of planning and city is in with us on the stock plans. 18:11:00 So yeah, everything's moving forward and, ought to be doing, we've got multiple. 18:11:07 Applications that we are reviewing sometime in the very near future to try and take an outdoor. But we've got a code change. 18:11:17 IRC, 2020 ones coming into play, which on October 20 ninth is the first day that it's the new code and so all these plans left conform to that code which includes the wildland urban interface dealing with everything on the exterior structures is now fireproof. 18:11:37 A lot of, stuff and so. We want to be certain that those plans are conforming obviously and you know, meaning the guidelines are what we set up, which includes all co-compliance, etc. 18:11:50 And the third subcommittee is housing. Matthew, we want to keep that alive. Yeah, it seems important. 18:12:00 You know, it will happen. Okay. And your share of that committee. They listed first. 18:12:05 That's why I held up. That's why I've been acting that way. Okay, thank you. 18:12:10 Now you have the hat. Thank you. 18:12:16 They're just in burnt clarity. The average and stock plans, some committees have 2 members each and just checking to see if that's sufficient or. 18:12:28 Well, I'd love to have more people, but I'm getting a resounding, when I ask for people who are interested in participating. 18:12:37 If anybody changes their mind. Let let the chair know. That'd be great. And perhaps the outreach community can. 18:12:46 You know, and spread the word out to position. Yeah, I' that up. Are you chair or outreach? 18:13:10 That's doing housing and Kevin that's doing stop lines. Is still on that. 18:13:21 And of course, at the subcommittee, the size of the Well, the whole commission, please bring it to our attention and they'll put it on the agenda. 18:13:35 Yeah, item 10 comprehensive plan, annual amendment, proposed and review. 18:13:41 I have a, PowerPoint. That will bring us back to the point of where we left off in July. 18:13:52 And. I've had some absence from the office that set me behind and so I'm catching up. 18:14:00 That typically community development issues are staff report the first meeting of September and I've got it on the schedule for September, the twentieth our second meeting so all in all we'll catch up and be about a week behind. 18:14:17 So what we're getting tonight is update on, some of the preliminary work from community development on these suggested amendments and the site specific. 18:14:32 To let you know what we're thinking. And to get some additional feedback from you. Before I am really in earnest, drafting Stafford B and proposed code. 18:14:44 So, they first items have been through and, And I use my pointer here, so I'm gonna stand up. 18:14:55 Are the site specific amendment. The first one is a carryover from 2021 to miles in and gravel. 18:15:05 And if you recall, and I added it to our Planning Commission packet. That the planning commission made recommendations approval. 18:15:15 On this. Rezone, or a zoning overlay, mineral resource land overlay. 18:15:22 And that has gone to the. Florida County Commissioner, County Commissioners and we had set up a hearing to establish the final docket. 18:15:31 And, this came into play for. The 2023. So. To answer the question about. 18:15:44 Establishing the pocket. It was in May, the eighth that we met with the Board of County Commissioners. 18:15:49 And, There was a concern that since growth management act only allows us to modify our comprehensive plan. 18:16:00 No more than one time per year. That it we were to finish up our business from 2021 with miles sending And then separately have a 2023 amendment cycle. 18:16:12 That we get into, it could be perceived that we are changing our comprehensive plan too often. So at that time, the board set the the docket as. 18:16:23 The proposed amendments so far that came from the planning commission. UDC on to this. The housing, changes to our development code. 18:16:35 And then the site specific amendments. Of the Gifford rezone and Madori. And then if you recall, we had the dayside housing. 18:16:46 They never submitted a complete application. They decided to withdraw. And instead go the route with the conditional use permit, which will accomplish their immediate needs and not push us into this need to start analyzing mixed use development in the urban road. 18:17:06 That going for the. Somebody to review. We don't see. The CEO is, at this point is it's high too, so it doesn't go in front of the hearing. 18:17:23 At this point is, it's high too, so it doesn't go in front of the hearing. 18:17:25 So you as the department Yeah, that's the civic place for that specific use. Under the rubric of a public purpose facility. 18:17:35 Okay, and has that been approved then? No, no, they're just beginning to submit. To their application. 18:17:54 So I was on the front side of that from those guys, they contacted me and wanted to help with it. 18:17:55 And they just, it's just kind of fell apart for a while. They lost that individual, So the. 18:18:02 Miles and the gravel comes along with this. 18:18:07 Dockets and we've already gone through the process. I've written the adopting ordinance and it'll get pulled into the 2023 ordinance And we've. 18:18:21 We address it as far as we can at this point. So. If you recall, it will add approximately 200 acres to the existing 165 acre, mineral resource land over like in the wall, And, there will be no, anticipated increase in. 18:18:42 In the volume of material that they process or in truck traffic is just continuing on following their resource and adding additional area for extraction. 18:18:54 As they are currently doing reclamation. Yeah. So. This is a has already been recommended for approval by community development in the planning commission. 18:19:07 So any questions about Miles sending route? Just that I'm confused by what you said. So it made it sound like we couldn't do miles sending gravel because that would be changing our schedule. 18:19:21 Of comprehensive plan updates to 2 a year but now you're saying they're And then, so that's our recommendations. 18:19:27 So the board still has to do their action at the end of the year by the second week of December, the board is going to look at all of these. 18:19:35 Amendment proposals and take final action on it. So, so far this has gone through the process of, drafting up. 18:19:45 Hour work on it and our recommendation. So this is all past us. It's already, yes, it's what's coming to us. 18:19:59 My question is, differently put, what Since you talked about this problem of Not doing 2 dockets in one year. 18:20:16 Right? What won't be getting done. To resolve that issue. I think I understand your question and I could have put this better. 18:20:31 This will carry forward into the staff report and analysis of all of the suggested amendments and site specific amendments for this year. 18:20:40 So it will be carried forward. There will be additional review in a sense. That it'll be shown to you again in the context. 18:20:49 Of. Of this year's amendment package. So I was incorrect to say that it's already past you. 18:20:57 You do get it, another look at this in the context of all the other events this year. 18:21:02 But this is what we've already reviewed, discussed, and approved. Yeah, yeah. So you're right. 18:21:08 We do a cumulative impact. Analysis on all of the amendments and this will be put into that. And that goes to the condition. 18:21:19 It'll be put into that, and that goes to the condition. That goes to you, December. 18:21:20 Yes, it goes to you in November what the next week next meeting for your review and then November for a hearing and then to the board for their in December. 18:21:30 So I just wanted to kinda. Hold this back in and explain why it's here and where we've been with it. 18:21:38 Hey, any other questions? I don't have a question. I do have a question about the 2 dockets per year and I'm still not clear away. And I'm still not clear away. 18:21:53 Simply but growth management act says you shall not. Amend your comprehensive plan more often than once per year. 18:21:59 And so if we're running 2 cycles, one is a legacy and it's kinda coming up on its own speed. 18:22:05 But ends up coming next to. This year's cycle, then it appears. Oh, that makes sense. 18:22:16 So what I don't understand is what isn't gonna be done because to resolve that. Everything's gonna be done. 18:22:21 Everything's gonna be done. We're pulled it all together into one package, everything's rather than 2 packages. 18:22:26 And this is administrative issue. I think the DCDs got a handle on it and that we ought to discuss it back. 18:22:52 And this is the proposal that I trigger. Okay, so the next site specific proposal in this one big package. 18:23:00 That includes everything. Is the Gifford Yep residential zoning amendment proposal. And I'm gonna use, I can see that. 18:23:10 This is the parcel. It's about, 17.9 acres, normally 18 acres. Is directly, abutting roadie drive. 18:23:20 And then this is Anderson like R. So this different color here is a. Is the Park HD Carroll Park. 18:23:29 You'll see that's PR. Perserve Parks and Recreation PPR. 18:23:33 The yellow is real residential one and 5. And the proposal is on a partial. That's at 18 acres again. 18:23:42 Zone room residential one and twin. Next slide. The thing behind it is SKP, right? 18:23:52 That's correct. Okay. And thanks for putting that out. It's not gonna come as easy. 18:23:58 On this map. If this is our They'll go to the next map and this is our project area. 18:24:04 Let's take a broader look now. We've got a big area of the peninsula. 18:24:08 . This is our one to 20 You can see where the one and fives are. Around it and long road drive. 18:24:17 You've got our parks here. Skp. Is still one to 20 but it's done. 18:24:25 It's a finding site plan that was grandfathered in. So there's a lot of density there. 18:24:35 And then we have. This is agriculture and, 18:24:41 More parks with State Park here. So that's the context that we're reviewing this. You might remember, and so the question is. 18:24:51 Shall we recommend up zoning this parcel? The effect will be 2 additional parsers. So we have 18 acres that. 18:25:01 One to 5, you get about 3 6 acre Parsons as the yield from that and density with that. 18:25:10 So. We would look at the context of. Up zoning what effects this might have. 18:25:19 We look at transportation. Anderson Lake Road is a Minor Collector, it's a little bit bigger than your local access and can handle more traffic. 18:25:29 The proposal would cost 2 more driveways onto Anderson like road. And the existing home on this parcel. 18:25:38 His driveways onto when we drive. So the impact to leverage the trips on and the road level service is probably not. 18:25:52 When we're looking at this parcel with critical areas, they're the only critical area it has is a awkward critical for recharge designation, which many much of the county has. 18:26:03 And that comes into play only if they're proposed activities that might. Contaminate the groundwater. 18:26:10 So as far as critical areas go, we don't net out any of this property. It's, it's fully developable or sub-dividable without consideration of credit, that areas served by PUD waters. 18:26:25 It is. Yeah, so maybe water just to sound across and is in microwave is also zone one to 5 at much higher density. 18:26:36 It's also zone one to 5, but much higher density. So like, you know, one of the things when we're looking at much higher density. 18:26:41 So like, you know, one of the things when we're looking at context, not just what that map showing, actually boots on the ground And they have not, they don't quite, but let's go back to the, and see. 18:26:54 Yeah, this is same thing. Yeah, like you see lots. Yeah. Yeah, because I'm looking at changing one, we're often told, hey, be looking around it and see what's there. 18:27:07 Yeah. So this is that. Analysis and you might recall. A few years back on Sand Road that we didn't recommend denial of an up zone. 18:27:18 It was a parcel that was 10 acres. It went into subdivide into 2 fives. Very encumbered with critical areas. 18:27:27 On a county road that had a lot of driveways and kind of pushing ADTs and the outcome was was kind of naive. 18:27:37 Was a site that may not have a good outcome. I have to look back and see some of them. 18:27:46 There's, there, there, there, there, 1, 1, 1, 1, 100, and, 21 side. 18:27:47 So it's one of those where it wasn't necessarily. Surrounded surrounded by the smaller zoning. Yeah, yeah, the 2 additional drivers you're talking about are going on the Anderson like Oh, average daily trips. 18:28:02 And so it's a way of measuring, how much I get induced traffic is going to happen with one residence you calculate about 4 to 6 80. 18:28:12 Ellie, what did you call it? That's the, it well, it's the escaping. 18:28:25 So that has parks all over the association that has parks all over the. It's a it's an association that has parks all over the it's a it's an association it's kind of it's kind of getting off in the back. 18:28:33 Yes, you can't see it. Yeah. And they're all of the United States and they're very well done. 18:28:43 They're all of the United States and they're very well done. The history of the site is it's had 2, the history of the site is it's had 2, forest practice act activities from my review in 2,004. 18:28:49 A. Class 4 general. Conversion part is. And meaning that they they cut the timber and they weren't going to bring it back into forestry. 18:29:00 But for some reason I found a 2015 Force back. Permit from DNR that was a uneven age stand. 18:29:08 Artist. So maybe it was a grow back and I did another. The next slide I think my show is pretty dead. 18:29:19 It's, yeah, there's no, just, so we leave it there. So at any rate, It is. 18:29:24 Wooded with young vegetation probably most mostly alders and such. But the the plan would be to. 18:29:32 Make 2 additional residential parcels there. So this isn't very readable, but it's. 18:29:38 Kind of a quick formatting from an Excel spreadsheet. So we've got. 18:29:45 . 22 additional houses subdivided and it's got private driveways to Anderson like road. 18:29:53 There's JPED water. Power. It's served by, would be served by septic. 18:30:00 Of course, there's other rural residential 5 zoning in the area. Far as the fitting into the pattern of development. 18:30:08 And, yeah, 2 forwards that permits. And so, a staff recommendation is to approve this reasonable proposals. 18:30:18 And forthcoming staff report would reflect that analysis. So I wanted to give the Planning Commission a chance as we're. 18:30:29 Bringing these back into our discussion. They need other thoughts about this. You think is important to analyze. 18:30:40 So how does GMA look at it or rezone on persons like this? What is what's the limits that GMA puts on? 18:30:47 GMA, limits are kind of, subjective for this. You need to provide a variety of densities. 18:30:59 It can be done to the county. And the way we've seen that the shoreline development is in large small lots and so that's our but we try to protect our resource lands right off the bat, which is GMA. 18:31:10 So that leaves us with this. Schema of putting in tens and twenties where they might buffer. 18:31:17 Between the 2 and so you'll see somewhat of a thought process if you look at all of our zoning. 18:31:23 And, so some of these twentys were put in there in very high existing identity areas. And don't meet. 18:31:31 The 20 acre minimum, but then there are some larger lots up to the northwest of this block. 18:31:40 That are larger there. So. The other thing that GMA says is to maintain royal character. And so that'll be part of the analysis of looking at existing patterns of development. 18:31:51 Existing levels of service. And we would We would be dinged by GMA for better. 18:31:59 Dr. Butberman, if we didn't have proper services or additional subdivisions. And, so we'd be looking at the. 18:32:11 Transportation and hour and water. So they don't, you know, we have 35. Our twenties in the county and we just took 2, it made a mar, 10 to 5 the GMA doesn't go that's a kick against you or anything as long as services can be divided we're not impacting. 18:32:36 I mean, we're increasing density, which is kind of GM's deal. So just, yeah, you know, slap our hand because we just turned 20 into. 18:32:45 Yeah, 2, 5. The lives are considered rural density. So that's kind of our baseline. 18:32:53 So that's kind of our baseline. We wouldn't be considered sprawling in our density because that's kind of our baseline. 18:32:59 We wouldn't be considered sprawling in our density because we've already we' our minimum, for maximum density of more flies. 18:33:02 I got some, stats from a few years back. About the incorporated housing total. 13,000 plus. 18:33:17 And then looking at from 2010 to 2,016 our housing increased about 1%. In the UGA, our housing increased about 1.4 8%. 18:33:28 So we're not. They're not in a mode of fast growth. And, so we. 18:33:37 We would say this decision. Not be the domino that kicks over additional 18:33:46 I would say that. The GMA. Really wants decisions to be delivered. You know, that's really big. 18:33:56 So look at the numbers like you said, the area, the history. Our plan, what we're doing and the reasons why What's been done for and just to be very deliberate. 18:34:11 And the way we did with the other parts, on, It was also very deliberate and we came a conclusion that was grounded, Thank you. 18:34:25 Okay, I'm gonna try to speak it up a little bit and we'll take another question. 18:34:30 So. We have this force transition zone thing, but this isn't for, now, but we said that they didn't. 18:34:42 So I'm trying to understand what that means in terms of forests. Permit requirements from the Department of Natural Resources. 18:34:50 Is applied based on the amount of timber here, or the amount of area that you're harvesting. 18:34:57 Our room with them or our thresholds we generally, work with. Of when to call DNR and say hey go take a look at this one. 18:35:06 Is anything over 5,000 board feet of timber artist. Which is I think a full logging truck or anything over 2 acres. 18:35:15 Of timber harnessing. May trigger it. See the state wants their surcharge from timber. 18:35:26 And so also if you are trading Timer cuts for services. For labor for. Money, you know, if you're gonna sell best posts, I'll look what you're cutting. 18:35:36 Then you need to declare this to the state through a force back. So it doesn't mean that we have to be zoned a resource land. 18:35:45 It'll happen even with. Residential lands that, and my forest resources on. Thank you. Yes. 18:35:57 Okay, next one is the majority of farm. And their capital is, this. This is consists of 2 parcels. 18:36:07 And. These red lines are major, of what is 500 feet away in some of the responses and the answers is what is the zoning within 500 feet of your proposed. 18:36:21 So that's what that's about. But, these 2 parcels are currently zone road residential one and 5. 18:36:27 And it abuts this. Agriculture Al. 20. So egg lands of global importance. 18:36:35 And the proposal was to is to rezone this to egg lands. Some type. And so, just go to the next slide here. 18:36:46 So we're looking at, what type of egg lands would we recommend they be? We had prime egg lands based mostly on soil. 18:36:56 These are our 18:36:58 Prime production soils. 18:37:01 That were designated around 2,006 or so. And when we zoned a lot of these egg lands. 18:37:11 And then the second one, agricultural lands of local importance. They can have prime agricultural soil. Or a large acreage or something that's important to the local agricultural economy, lifestyle and environment. 18:37:24 So it's a little looser as far as its applicability. The primag lands are preserved as agriculture lands of long-term commercial significance. 18:37:35 So they have a little more weight to them where we would not. Convert an Al, AP, 20, TIME, that lens to residential, for example, we would say. 18:37:46 We're not, protect your resource science and so they're protecting. Here we're, looking at, Next slide here. 18:37:59 These are the 2 parcels. You can see that they have been farmed and they're currently at far their least. 18:38:05 Bye, Midori Farm. And. I forget the owner's name, Joyce Party. Thank you. 18:38:17 And, so they would. Likely fit well into our egg lands of long term. Significant local, local significant. 18:38:28 So our recommendation. Rezone the 2 parcels. The total now, 14.6 acres from residential size to agriculture. 18:38:41 And. As it's currently used in agriculture, we would suggest rezoning to Al. 18:38:48 20. So is the reason to rezone these because you get, it gets taxed at the lesser rate. 18:38:55 Is that why that's one reason? That's why somebody, yeah, because I haven't seen it. 18:39:00 And I can get some, be, be eligible for some granting and stuff. Is that also? That's possible. Yeah. 18:39:15 And they're locked in. Also, once it's out of the rural residential, then It's not like another buyer, it can man who buy it, but a house. 18:39:22 Yeah, you have to go back to the sole reason on process. You've got to go back to the sole reasonal process. You're not. 18:39:41 I'm wondering why it's not last. The, my farm was originally 650 was a section of land. 18:39:46 It, it, it got us all that land all the way. To the way and there is a stream that runs through it. 18:39:53 Through majority along the edge there. And. It's been a struggle to keep the egg land. 18:40:04 I mean, I get. That was, I get letters almost every day from developers from all over the United States. 18:40:11 One Bye. Yeah, and I get calls and I've been known to be extremely rude. 18:40:33 But. I feel like. With the number of people trying to move here that we don't have. 18:40:45 An obligation to take. Everybody who lives here, but we do have an obligation to be able to feed. 18:40:55 It's called food security. And right now. We can, you know, I was looking at this piece and you're talking about developing too. 18:41:06 And it's, You know, we just keep cutting up and cutting up. And I mean, I have only 46 acres left of the original. 18:41:17 658 per farm, but I'm trying really hard. To preserve it as is. 18:41:23 The Dory farm with our neighbors. But It's under pressure, not just from people. All over. 18:41:33 Chris, what is yours? Mine is 20. Residential point. It's a, yeah, I know. 18:41:43 I did that. That's a long since I've looked at it, but it's a. 18:41:49 But I do have several parcels and I've tried really hard to. I tried to use the land trust, but it was just like the land trust full employment act. 18:42:02 It was not enough money and Yeah, restrictions that they looked at the plan well enough and they. They, gave me 39 pages of restrictions that I had to do and I've already done all of them. 18:42:18 They didn't even notice that. And so, you know, it's for those of us who are in the egg business, it's a real struggle sometimes to keep. 18:42:27 The land agricultural. Because of the pressures. So. Outside development, not just in the county, but. 18:42:37 And, and we try, I mean, one of the things that could happen to make more easier for farms. 18:42:47 To have. Yeah, you know, tiny. Cabins or places like that for, we have a room in our bar and we let somebody live in exchange for. 18:43:01 Work but it's I believe that they But outhouses are no longer legal. 18:43:25 And it's preserving. A lifestyle that this county is always down. So you would support this. 18:43:34 Yeah, I would support. Anything that that was served. 18:43:42 Okay, any other comments or? For this reason. Okay, we'll go to the next. 18:43:54 Okay. 18:43:57 So I'm not going to be pointing much here. So I'm going to sit down for the rest. 18:44:03 But our big heavy lift for me is, working with. What I refer to as the individual parcel PRD. 18:44:13 This is our cluster housing idea that we're bringing forward. Allowing the development intensity and size of a single family residence to be done on a parcel with multiple small residences so we increase the number of people who can habitate at parcel. 18:44:38 But also increase the ecological benefits of that through certain performance standards. And so, I think this is some text that Matt provided to me. 18:44:51 Sometime ago, provides an alternative to traditional development by allowing additional dwelling structures if an owner developer or organization chooses to adhere to a voluntary framework. 18:45:02 Of affordable, low impact ecologically proactive, proactive practices to achieve goals to. With rural character and or agricultural land use. 18:45:12 So the. There's. 18:45:17 The planned rural residential development code that exists. In our code today as the template or how we might have cluster development or plan development. 18:45:30 On an individual person. Where this diverges from the PRRD in our code today is that the PRRD requires a subdivision process. 18:45:39 And it can't be applied to any lands that cannot further be subdivided. But we're looking at agricultural lands looking for farmworker housing, which is going to be coming up next in this presentation and ways to. 18:45:57 Provide housing for, affordable housing for work, local workers, farm workers. That may not be on the farm, but, maybe a situation where an individual parcel can either have an efficient and ecologically protected cluster development or, conversely, maybe the same efficiency and ecologically protected dispersed development upon the parcel. 18:46:26 If we can demonstrate that our average house sizes. 3,000 square feet or our average amount of impervious surface. 18:46:35 In county as it's being developed is maybe 1,250. Or so square feet of impervious surface and driveways and roofs, sidewalks. 18:46:50 So we're looking for our some standards for how would we. Develop these protective standards. I think go to the next slide here. 18:47:02 So. We might need it something in a new name, individual structures with common areas. Or a single parcel PRD, there's a number of names that we came up with and I was looking back through, emails that Matt had sent me. 18:47:20 And there are many ways to describe this. But it's very hard to. Find the limitations on it as well. 18:47:30 So, I've, I was, you know, we'll get, community development. 18:47:35 Our experience is the public comes in and is trying to find the best bargain and the best outcome for the lowest cost and sometimes it ends up being a lot of corner cutting and we have to say no no no you can't do that. 18:47:50 Can or whoa this is gonna be too much here so we have to be very clear with our public so they know what we're looking for. 18:47:58 And so I had some questions here. I wanted to bring up with you tonight for discussion on developing this some more is one is how will the total number of permissible units be calculated. 18:48:10 One idea that. We've come up with in the housing subcommittee is combined area of all the building footprints and amphibious surface. 18:48:19 Is less than the conventional development. So now we're tasked to define what is our connection to development. 18:48:26 And, we'll probably have to come up with some standards for size of parcel. 18:48:35 What parcel size, maximum and minimums. Is it gonna be feasible to do this on really small arsenals? 18:48:43 So I think what we'll have to think through is. Kind of the square footage of the parcel and take that base. 18:48:52 On a within a certain calculation and percentage of how much you can develop it and and create a limit for kind of the sites specific limit. 18:49:04 For this kind of cluster. Doesn't exceed, let's just say for example. I'm doing a single family more residential or with 5 acre parcel and I'm building up. 18:49:14 2,000 square foot house and I've got a long drive with the rest of it. But with setbacks and impervious maximums and all the rest. 18:49:24 We didn't change that. Just said, hey, you know, what is it? 30%, 35%. 18:49:31 Hi, 30. Depends on the on the. Round 30. 25. And 30. 18:49:43 So if we left it, you know, okay, whatever you do, whether it's one house or maybe, whatever you do, whether it's one house or maybe 4 houses, your impervious is still limited to that. 18:49:47 Because one of the things it does is that then starts to incentivize like courteous driveways or you know, other low impact. 18:49:57 Development techniques to which is what the goal of this whole process is to keep to encourage people to do those other things. 18:50:05 So yeah, I can see. Percentage is working out well. Because then we can also, you know, go impact. 18:50:13 Foundation systems, you know, peers as opposed to the. Skins and footings and slabs on grades, those kinds of things. 18:50:20 Would it all be beneficial to the site? In some cases, actually save money. 18:50:27 Diamond cares in particular, on a number of occasions that. You know, again, you tell people, AIDS, 250 bucks and buying 10 of these, you put them versus excavating for steel, concrete, pull forms, etc, etc. 18:50:45 And we can take up more. You know, More to work around this, you know, with more guidance, not where you're going. 18:50:56 So that we can get behind the cart and push. Yeah, let's look at a couple of these others here, specify standards, define what is superior to conventional development. 18:51:05 And so I think we really need to drill down on. What's the average house size or surface area? 18:51:14 This envision is a single ownership or is this more like condominium ownership? On this so that's what I'm gonna try to get my head around is is there you just thinking that this is You know, I see Farmer John has a farm and he puts up some tiny house. 18:51:28 That's why one way that this goes, but. But if somebody else goes, okay, I'm gonna go in and I'm gonna radiate out. 18:51:34 Or you know, let's say mid look mid-sized houses. Is he selling, able to then split this? 18:51:42 As a condominium ownership because that doesn't that then change the way the code You know, then you're basically splitting the parcel up. 18:51:55 We're looking at the boarding house. Cause then you're, then you're basically splitting the parcel up. 18:51:58 Rather than not, we're looking at the boarding house, conjugate housing. So it's a congregate housing or a land trust type organizational sponsor or a signal owner, which is the most common right now. 18:52:07 But that's I think we're thinking. I think they're seeing their owner, and you see all the iterations that's gonna be doing exactly well yeah that's what I'm but that's what one of the things is that then I mean, cause I see that opportunity. 18:52:20 We see it even now. There's no code to restrict a, I know several property owner, 10 acres that have 6 or 8 tiny houses or RVs on it. 18:52:29 You know, now we could, but no, it's legal. There's nothing to restrict. 18:52:35 No, you tell me. There's nothing to restrict. No, you tell me. They're not they're not buildings. 18:52:43 Well, let's say they're septic is trucked out. Well, that's not legal either. 18:52:45 Actually, so a tiny house on wheels currently cannot be put on account of this property. We don't permit we don't have a building permit for those. They're not in our wheelhouse. 18:52:57 Right. Like I'm saying, now we're on, we're by that separate house. That's why they're on meals. 18:53:04 Yeah, they're temporary. So this is something beyond that. This is moving from meals to pure blocks. 18:53:08 Right. Yeah, and so then we have building standards that we still have septic standards and yeah well a lot of those developments that there's had locks full of them. 18:53:19 There's one guy that buys parcels and then within a septic and then has 3 or 4 RVs on it. 18:53:25 Everybody kinda just looks the other way. And, and the only thing that's really catching it are the 3 kitchens as opposed to a single kitchen. 18:53:35 Well, yeah, but there's all kind of other things that aren't really booked at because you're not looking at what's happening. 18:53:43 I mean, because you're not looking at what's happening with the, because you're not looking at what's, what's happening within Bergy Service and everything else because those sites become almost completely. 18:53:48 Well, that's why I think coming up something like this that would regulate and know 30% of your match or whatever we decide without stormwater engineering, process that we're doing now is intended to Inform. 18:54:06 It's a UGA process to give additional tools to. Maybe help that person choose something similar in a better way. 18:54:11 You know, so they can just don't. I'm saying the committee that you guys housing committee that what you're talking about now should be having that discussion between the 2 of you would have come back to us. 18:54:25 And we have some present that here. Yeah, we're not not today, but I'd like to hear more about those idea. 18:54:33 And the summation of this that he's presenting is part of what's some of this work went on earlier this year. Yeah, you guys are. 18:54:39 Right. And we could drill down the background. And getting these questions perfect because then yeah, so have, and we can bring it back and, you know, find out what's perfect. 18:54:50 Because then, yeah, so have, and we can bring it back and then, you know, find out what, yeah, which is very often to see other possible kind of issue. 18:54:55 Sing him up earlier, bring him up early and on. That's why we make it strong. 18:54:57 So this is something a little, there will be allowances with developing a site this way. Will there be a title restriction or CCNRs? 18:55:08 Or is it how do we as establish what these limits are going to be? And regulate that. How about the subsequent buyer? 18:55:20 Are they going to? Try to do twice as many. On their parcel or. 18:55:27 Or start to sublet. How far can this go? And so I was wondering, I'm sorry, if they don't wanna do the voluntary stuff. 18:55:36 Yeah. So I guess one way to do that is to record to the title. The rules of this property in that in the way it's been develop. 18:55:46 It might be an option. So here's another. Okay. So that does that mean you can put a. 18:55:52 Okay, not a condominium, but a landowner restrictions on the property that sells with the property. 18:56:03 Kind of like a conditional use per minute goes runs with the land. So here's some, some of the things I picked out of our discussions for performance standards. 18:56:17 The. This is the column, conditional use permit application. And, ecological restoration plan or biodiversity plan. 18:56:25 Invasive species plan. Or critical area plan if there are critical areas. The application of the portability tools. 18:56:33 Average daily trip plan stormwater plan, landscaping screening plan. At a community meeting to, make everyone aware of the unique development. 18:56:44 But I got to thinking that's a lot to ask of someone who wants to find an affordable route. 18:56:51 That's a lot of special work and so just throwing that out. Back to the committee and to the planning commission. 18:57:01 My nervous concern about. How do we regulate? This concept. 18:57:08 Without overdoing it or creating a whole other cost burden that, like the PRRD, we don't get many. 18:57:17 Applications for that. And it may be the meaning to narrow the focus back down to the boarding house, which is what in my opinion is what the one I was pushing towards in this direction because then it's only one kitchen. 18:57:29 You have many bathrooms as you want. You can, we can design whether it's 7 bedrooms or it could be more it helps out mostly with a lot of the farming. 18:57:39 Community as far as housing and also other, you know, but mode school, house, people that that would mean that the septic his own, you know, design for a single unit as opposed to multiple units. 18:57:56 I know that's, you know, one of the longer range goals, but it seems like the boarding house is an easier. 18:58:01 Bit the current code. And allow more housing. Out there in the roller and that's on my next slide, you know, by the way. 18:58:13 Yeah, I think Kevin is a good point. Though there's, like this can flow from that in a way. 18:58:19 Conceptually. And when they're coming, is the conservation district and help with a lot of conceptually and when they're coming. 18:58:23 Is the conservation district and can help with a lot of those. Planning for free. So that's a great resource for the public. 18:58:30 I've sent many clients to them. And then, and brought it back to DCD. 18:58:33 Which instead of having us create an entire, you know, paid for biologist state license plan the conservation district can have all their resources and assisted clients. 18:58:46 3 in charge and you know providing a conservation plan that then the it was DCD said simply, you know, as long as you need that plan and you verify it within a year or 2. 18:58:59 It was accepted. And one of those just went through, you know, month ago. So I think conservation has to be one way to get. 18:59:07 At that point where it's less costly. Sorry. In my mind, I kind of agree with Kevin except I don't care whether it's so if we were to say a boarding house is. 18:59:23 In my mind, I kind of agree with Kevin except I don't care whether, so if we were to say a boarding house is 7 bedrooms up to 7 toilets or 8 toilets or however many toilets. 18:59:26 And but a single kitchen. I don't I personally see not much difference between whether that's under one roof. 18:59:39 As long as the permeable surface isn't significantly different or it's under. The permeable surface isn't significantly different or it's under 8 roofs where you know there's a common house kitchen, whatever, and then individual. 18:59:55 Roof tiny houses, whatever. So if you had a standard that could. Be articulated by their way where there's a maximum. 19:00:06 Spur footage and the septic system is designed for whatever that number is. Your maximum capacity. 19:00:16 And whether it's distributed under multiple roses. I think it you accomplish. That would be the end goal. Yeah. 19:00:25 The same thing. Yeah, I that comes up is the number of kitchen, right? I mean, typically. 19:00:32 Because in our density is now 4, 5, 6 units on our residential one to 5. Yeah, that's the end. 19:00:47 Wanna do a time check here. I've got about 10 min more on the. Yeah, and want to do a time check here. 19:00:54 I've got about 10 min more on the slides and then we have one more item I'd yeah, I'll show that just before 7. 19:00:58 Should we go 2 min after? Well, I'll let you go ahead and see if we can get it done. Okay. 19:01:07 Okay, next. Okay, so we have. Also these items that we're working on to congregate housing. 19:01:13 And the farm worker housing. And so, we were looking at the definition of family. And all of the different federal and state definitions of family and how they're applied to different programs. 19:01:27 And what it has come down to is that it's difficult to define and it's different. It has come down to is that it's difficult to define and it's different in every case. 19:01:38 And so many agencies are using this. Language or something like it, any individual related by blood or affinity. 19:01:42 And there's we create a lot of affinities in our. In our families related or underlying. 19:01:49 And so. If we Also look at updating our definition of family, which currently in our code says up to 5 unrelated individuals can constitute a family unit. 19:02:02 And so you have 5 separate limited people in the house. 19:02:09 That would be getting towards more congregate housing and updating our UDC with a new use. 19:02:16 Oh, development for boarding houses or. Boarding house that we can create some standards for. Might be going towards the And then the farm worker housing. 19:02:30 What the next slide shows what we have in our code now, but there's off farm. Convocate housing versus. 19:02:37 Our on farm implementation of farmer per housing. So this is our code here. Our farm for housing is, excuse me, permanent or seasonal farm worker housing. 19:02:50 For workers on the farm. And, you, you can't provide housing for things. 19:02:58 Non related to to the agricultural use of access. We can't lease our rent to the general public. 19:03:05 So that limits us to the style of pharmacare housing that we have in eastern Washington worth a lot of the Growers and pickers. 19:03:15 Seasonal harvest and things like that. Yeah, so what would we be doing by striking that out is to allow farmwork housing define it as any kind of housing then provides for the needs. 19:03:32 Of a farm worker either on or off of the phone. Then we may have people who are working in the service. 19:03:40 That aren't working on the farm. Would be seeking a room in that. Parker Housing or that boarding house? 19:03:48 Are we then? Left with having to. Distinguish between people whether you work on a farm or not. And so that kind of sends us back to boarding house again. 19:04:01 Focusing on that which would allow. Farm worker offsite, farm or housing and just call yourself a person and not necessarily one. 19:04:12 Business or another. So maybe next slide I'm going to do this real quick here. 19:04:24 P. Yeah, next slide is a little more about. Yeah, Yeah, so. 19:04:39 This is the is the last. Proposed amendment is our UDC omnibus so we're shifting gears changing topics all of a sudden. 19:04:50 Yes, there, perhaps. Stand by. This was only, this was only to not have a blank slide right. 19:04:56 It wasn't really to be read. Are you to see omnibus amendments because the only thing I had to put on this slide and so I put a picture of what that spreadsheet looks like. 19:05:07 So that's the the next This like the last part. So that's your review of. Of the suggested and, of those side specific amendments. 19:05:22 And we have a comment, maybe I'll have the boarding house. Is a comment, yeah, based on the, on the. 19:05:25 The interceptality of the different, It's really interesting to me how the concept of the so. 19:05:36 World PRD. Innovation you know the single concept coming from the congregate housing concept. 19:05:49 Really getting built on that except but more. Dwellings and went that. Hey, ecological. Understanding to make it more applicable to. 19:05:59 Really beautiful. We're central areas. So with the community meeting is being a part of the 2 and all that stuff. 19:06:05 To make it acceptable to GMA. But in essence, it is a porting house concept. It is congregate housing concept. 19:06:14 But you're together. You hear the same sounds. Same weather, you know, like you're in the same. 19:06:23 You know, you're looking out for each other. The fire. Yeah, so common areas. 19:06:33 Likewise. So, so if that is falling from an integrated housing concept, it's really interesting to me that the barn worker. 19:06:38 How's housing reform? Could drive, congregate housing. And the congregate housing. 19:06:47 Performance standards reform and that the drive. The UGA. It could be a better place. So what I'm finding is the farm market housing, reform that just puts us right back into. 19:07:00 The broader discussion you're handing. Get back to our agenda item, which is to review the topics and we've done that. 19:07:11 I'll get back to our agenda item, which is to review the topics and we've done that and this soing involves more and more study and that's what the subsidies for. 19:07:15 Yeah, sure. It's more efficient to have a more focused route and then we'll go from there. 19:07:22 Sorry to see that. And before you go to item 11. There's a I've made in this big error on our vote for chair and vice chair. 19:07:35 Our, our rules are that we can't vote. The same day we nominate unless we have a majority of commissioners that we do concern to them choosing. 19:07:46 We didn't vote. We didn't. I'd like to entertain a motion to vote on the chair and vice chair today. 19:07:52 Go move second. Yeah, second. All people raise your hand. 19:07:57 Passes. Thank you. Today informational and according to our bylaws, well with about budget. Eliminary budget for the planet mission shall be prepared by DCT and I've included that in the package and put a copy on your on the place to table. 19:08:28 Now this is just to this was what our budget looks like and. I've, I've labeled A, B, and C items. 19:08:37 So, A is the, The funds have not been. Adjusted at the time of this report. 19:08:47 There's still some to pay out. June and then the August second meeting. So be a little bit less, but generally. 19:08:56 $10,800 covers us for 24 meetings a year with 9 planning commissioners and we don't always have 24 meetings a year and we only said 9 commissioners either unfortunately so that item is well covered. 19:09:11 B and C. These were. Totals of the budgeted items that we have such as advertising rent. 19:09:20 Postage. Office expenses, they were pretty high and we just haven't used that much money. So, the note on B and C is the budget will be reduced next year. 19:09:32 In, 2,024. And reflecting that we don't use that much, but we do have some in there for. 19:09:41 For our postage and maybe renting a vehicle to go visit. 19:09:47 Site that's under deliberation or something like that. That's kind of what that money is in there for. 19:09:55 And we don't often use it, but just wanted to. To show you what the budget looked like and so they. 19:09:58 Program here according to our bylaws is that the Planning Commission We'll review it and then. 19:10:05 Get back to the board with any recommendations that there's some changes that you see. There hasn't been a problem with planning commission budget. 19:10:16 A long time, unless you see a problem coming up. We have our periodic review with a comprehensive plan. 19:10:24 There, you know, we still have the same number of meetings scheduled so far. And so. We considered that and thought that this was still going to be a good budget. 19:10:35 So I give it to you for. Your comments and it says here, preliminary budget shall be reviewed by members. 19:10:42 At the earliest possible time so members may express any shortcomings in the budget and make a recommendation directly to the board accounting commissioners. 19:10:50 So as far as the timing goes October fifth, I think is our first budget meeting with the county commissioners, ACD and other agencies, other departments would be in front of the board. 19:11:03 Monday of October. That's kind of time. You need a motion to approve your budget or a recommendation. 19:11:12 My cause. You don't need either. Okay. You don't need either actually unless you decide that there's some deficiency here that the County Fisher Dr. 19:11:21 Here's like, this glad today. 19:11:24 I have comments but I was waiting. So you're saying all of this. Here specifically, for the planning commission, is that correct? 19:11:36 Yes, it includes our staff time. That we spend. Hey, that's, well, I knew that I'm moving to go. 19:11:48 It might be it's an insurance. And we're talking about your benefits. And industrial insurance employers, security, employee benefit Those are all for you folks. 19:12:05 But I have this and then, office and whatever operations I guess. Yes, hostage. So those are costs specifically focused to the planning commission. 19:12:19 Which is probably a pro rated portion of what comes out of your annual budget for your, I don't believe it's prorated. 19:12:27 I think it's just assigned to this count and the year over there. So you're saying that the grand total was budget last year to $43,800 and we spent 15,008 5 and then what you want to do is reduce that to the 28,000. Is that what you're shooting for? 19:12:49 I don't know what the reduction is going to be. It was just stated to me that those who the budget will find this. 19:12:56 Pretty high number to be setting aside for planning commission and put it into a different. Yeah, I personally and actually speak to everybody. I don't really have a problem with this. 19:13:06 You But I do question if you budgeted 11,500 bucks for your staff time, whoever it is, and you only spent $23. 19:13:15 I have a caution of that's a big disparity. So that money went somewhere else as opposed to. 19:13:23 Who was paying you guys when you're doing all this planning conditions or yeah actually we just started to record our time. 19:13:32 Against planet. I don't know why they're. Okay, cause I don't ask you to be very cautious not to cut that back to that 11,000. 19:13:43 Get a review of the time that I spend and George and others at the Planning Commission. Oh, and extrapolated that through the year and. 19:13:55 And I believe this is the number we came up with. Yeah, how many hours? We figure 5 HA week. Okay. 19:14:05 Which would be, I guess, 10 h of planning commission meeting. And. By the number of meetings. 19:14:18 Yeah, there's in there, and that I provided to finance, that we kind of work this out. 19:14:25 Because you're saying you have, you want to cut it back. I just don't want you to cut your left off. 19:14:30 Yeah, I share the same concern particularly with the. And it's gonna be more communication and work. 19:14:38 Thank you. I remember having this conversation with Patty because we had I was chair at the time and I wanted to give stipends to the planning commission. 19:14:53 We had a hundred $1,000. Why an item for the planning commission. And I wanted to do stipends and Hi, I was told that that $100,000 a year would be entirely for staff time built against the planning. 19:15:11 And I don't know anything more than that. But I, for maybe some of the same reasons and slightly different reasons, it seems like. 19:15:24 Your staff time is under recorded or under accounted for here. I so now we have $43,000 instead of a hundred $1,000. 19:15:35 We need more staff time than we get. And I suspect you're under recording your staff time. So for all of those reasons, I'm suspicious of these numbers that they don't accurately reflect the time that you actually do spend. 19:15:55 It seems too cheap. We need you more than we get you. So I would not want you to. 19:16:06 Cut this any more than is already I would want this accounting to be more reflective in real time and I wouldn't want to give up any. 19:16:15 Potential for that time. Yeah I hear you and I did have the same concern that we're under reporting and we're just starting to be more thorough on our side reporting. 19:16:26 So my recommendation is that that'd be. Come up with some sort of. Matrix metric support how much time we do spend and that's where we came up with the thought hours a week. 19:16:40 Now the the route to this is that first the 19:16:48 The planning commission doesn't have budgeting responsibilities. And our bylaws say that you have a say in raising concerns. 19:16:56 And I don't think that Adding more money here is going to give you more of our time because we're already spread to with other. 19:17:07 Work in accounts. So this might be. 5 HA week might be what? We have. 19:17:14 I'm more concerned about the future. I get that right now, you all are. 19:17:18 I get it. My concern is it's very hard to get back a budget once you give it away. 19:17:23 Yeah, so our our future is going to be 2024 2025. So we have the biennium that we're planning with now. 19:17:33 And so if you are thinking about recommendations. Put it in that perspective. Of 2 years and what might be going on. 19:17:40 And during those 2 years, 2,024, 2,025 is going to be our. 19:17:47 Periodic review. We're happy. And you're gonna be fully, you're gonna have a full staff and you're going to be. 19:17:55 You know, able to get more time with planning commission. I guess that, from your, need, express that you need more of your need, express that you need more staffs time. 19:18:11 It'll be the, point, the, you need more staffs time. It'll be the, point, the, point, the, point, the, point, also, is, you, you've already said, you're going to have or what, what, available hours that were. 19:18:16 And that's important. Yeah. So, any other comments? Thank you. 19:18:29 And let me, let's set up by the next meeting if you have. Comments on the budget that we want to forward them to the board. 19:18:34 As soon as possible. So did we just do that or are you wanting us to do that next meeting? 19:18:43 Or, just, so he doesn't have to ask. Yeah. It says here, I'm just reading that I lost it. 19:18:47 You make a recommendation directly to the board county commissioners to address the planning commission's needs. So I'm just giving you the information and. 19:18:57 In the process. Would anybody like to generate? Yeah, but we want a letter. 19:19:06 Mike, we have some thoughts about that. Anybody else wants to? Alright, at the next video we can take a look at it. 19:19:20 Yes, I'm just trying to think you could transfer them directly to the, It's happy, yes. 19:19:28 Okay, so what we'll need, we'll discuss if next meetings are I think we need to, you know, whatever you all wrapped up, we'll have a draft for you. 19:19:41 Thank you. And I do save often. Let's celebrate by saving. It looks like we've actually made it before 7 30, I think. 19:19:54 This being the journey. Thank you.