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09:00:29 Okay. Okay, yeah, good morning, Kate.
09:00:37 Good morning.
09:00:44 1Â min here.
09:01:02 Okay, I will. Good morning, everyone. I'll call this 9 25 meeting of the Board of County Commissioners to order.
09:01:09 Good morning, everyone. I want to start off before we go into public comment just to apologize for the lack of baby capture over the weekend.
09:01:17 It is up now and, we had some tech issues on Friday, so struggle to get the agenda and pack it up for everyone to look at.
09:01:25 We were having to dig through laser feature ourselves. But the agenda was on the calendar. Of the website.
09:01:29 We did talk to our legal team. And while it is not optimal, we believe that we have, you know.
09:01:36 We're okay to continue and are not violating OPMA now, but really apologize to folks for the.
09:01:41 The lack of accessibility to the documents. We definitely try to do better. So. With that, we will open it up for public comment.
09:01:49 We would love to hear from you if you if you're with us remotely, you can hit the raise hand button or star 9 if you're on a phone and we'll bring you over to make a public
comment.
09:02:04 I'm seeing one yet, so we'll. Make one more call if anyone would like to make public comment.
09:02:10 We'd love to hear from you. You can hit star 9. For the raise hand button.
09:02:17 Okay, seeing no one, we'll keep that open for 30Â min and we'll take a look at the consent agenda.
09:02:25 Let's have a chance to Go through it any questions or comments
09:02:34 Lots of good work here. That's what I, that was my reaction.
09:02:40 Not to sweet contracts. Break out a little bit about weeds. Sorry. Addressing them head on so.
09:02:49 Who knows to not just wait team for that. Glad to see where, funding for the cares team has been.
09:02:59 Extended. I am. I think we all did a ride along with the CARES team and this.
09:03:07 Soppers can the impact of that. It's not but mighty team on our community.
09:03:10 So grateful for their continued work.
09:03:14 Nothing. Coming about our things but Well, I'll call out there's a lot of the BHAC recommendations that come through, not just the HRSA grant and BHC, but mental health navigator
coming back to the police, right?
09:03:28 They haven't had them for a couple of years. Is that accurate? I think they've had a contract.
09:03:32 Okay. The sheriff did. Yeah, yeah, Steve Eckles was ours. But this is the for towns and police.
09:03:45 Capacity. That he went into prior practice. That's his PhD, right? I think there was some over lap but they call it that.
09:03:55 They were the first to have a law enforcement navigator. That's a different thing.
09:04:03 That's a different, different office. In fact, our windy days. Yeah. Right, I was definitely on on back before Stephen was.
09:04:16 Good stuff.
09:04:15 I just have to say that, the consent agenda, it made me really appreciate AV capture.
09:04:24 I'm having to navigate through a laser fish. So That was a good reminder.
09:04:27 Was. It was super painful, I agree. I was like, oh no, no links.
09:04:39 And then I'm like, oh, I remember I have to go in the back door. So yeah, I really try to fix that Friday, but.
09:04:42 We had a meeting today this morning. And we got uploaded.
09:04:49 I don't know if you could hear that Kate, but Caroline's been working with AV capture on the tech issue and so it is up there now but We'll try to identify what happened last
time and make sure that we get it more accessible for not just the public but for us too.
09:05:06 I'm happy to move that we approve the consent agenda for. September, 20 fifth, 2023.
09:05:14 And I'll second.
09:05:15 Okay, it's been moved and seconded to approve the. Consent agenda as presented. All in favor, indicate by saying aye.
09:05:24 Hi.
09:05:24 Hi. Okay. Any opposed? Nope, that's unanimous.
09:05:30 Great. I'll turn back to our audience. We have.
09:05:35 Quite a bit more time and public comment. We'd love to hear from you if you have something to share.
09:05:40 If you hit the raised hand button or star 9 will bring you over. And we'll keep it open until 9 30.
09:05:45 Well, flying through our day, maybe we can. Take a little bit of a look at our schedule.
09:05:52 I think we'll be able to finish a little early today, which would be great before we go to our.
09:05:58 Special meeting this evening, which is our gardener community center meeting, right?
09:06:04 Any.
09:06:07 Anything that we're going to need to add to the agenda today, you guys are. On top of mine now.
09:06:13 Not that I have.
09:06:15 No, Greg, but if I could, I have an important, appointment I need to join my husband with at 10 am so I'm gonna miss that.
09:06:27 Tip presentation, which I hate to miss, but I will, I'm gonna let Eric know and I will watch that.
09:06:33 In advance of the tip hearing. I will rejoin and you guys, although it might be via phone for.
09:06:40 Maybe the remainder of the day, but I'll join with Zoom as I can, but just limited.
09:06:49 Bandwidth, literally.
09:06:49 Yeah. No. Sounds good. Thank you.
09:06:53 All right, well, do we want to take a look back at the past week and do a little briefing?
09:06:59 You want to start Heidi? Last week. I've told you all this already, but I told you looking forward last week.
09:07:12 So. Last week This is a 7 day week. Started out Sunday morning.
09:07:23 Making the pancakes at the Grange, Chima and Grange pancake breakfast, which was.
09:07:27 Super fun. I never miss being at the Greta L Scott Raymond. So, and it was felt like it was coming back.
09:07:37 I remember last year we were We were really down on attendance, but this year there was more folks showing up.
09:07:42 And then great raffle. So, the Shimon Grange pancake breakfast.
09:07:50 Put it on your calendar next year. Rate spells, pancakes and work sausage from one straw ranch.
09:07:59 Then I headed over the Chima. Farmers market to do outreach with our community wildfire protection planning consultants and you start present fire and rescue and have a lot
of great conversations with folks in the community about all things fire and Generally all things.
09:08:17 And then Monday morning before our VOCC meeting, I met with the leader to talk to them about their vote issue, number of the derelict vote issues we've had over the last couple
of years and then the recent one that the large 83 foot.
09:08:31 Coastguard cutter, vintage Coastguard cutter that sank near the Irondale Beach.
09:08:39 Was not on private, so it's not. Not even possible to be county jurisdiction, but.
09:08:45 Got a little bit involved just in trying to. To find exactly where it was located and. The sheriff's office was also involved in responding to that thinking.
09:08:56 So. The first report was there was no oil still, but there was in fact quite a large sheen on the water and so I think the US Coast Guard is investigating it and DNR is now
investigating it.
09:09:09 Then. Let's see with you guys most of the day. Had a couple of meetings in the middle of the day.
09:09:19 And at the end of the day, went over to TCD to talk with Josh about our joints.
09:09:24 . OCC and Planning Commission retreat that they're trying to get on the calendar and just.
09:09:30 Troubleshooting a few specific, you know, the phone calls I get from constituents about the CDs.
09:09:36 So. Anyway. You're like, Josh, just keep saying to me, I've got a plan.
09:09:43 We're working the plan and I totally get it, right? I mean, I'm not too far from my time being on a very busy staff.
09:09:48 In this world. And things take time and sometimes you have to keep saying that to our folks. But I feel like they're, making progress over there.
09:10:01 Then Tuesday morning I met with the planning commissioner who also has a bunch of issues. With DCD and Basically, I felt like I was saying the same thing to her, but.
09:10:12 Hearing, hearing your concerns was helpful and we had a good conversation. Then Tuesday, most of the day was Adele and I doing the lodging tax advisory committee grant presentations
with all the grant applicants.
09:10:25 We had $740,300 for something to spend and we we as a committee spent every penny of it or granted every penny of it, but there was a lot of.
09:10:37 Having to give people less than they asked for like across the board. So, I have gotten a lot of push back that people are surprised.
09:10:48 Based on the hotel motel tax revenues that we're getting less than we did last year. Last year we stretched to give more because we heard a lot of coming out of COVID stress.
09:10:59 And I think that may have. Set us off to have less to grant this year. But I also anticipate that there may be a chance for a supplement around somewhere halfway through 2024.
09:11:13 Based on the recent lodging. So. Would you have another RFP or would you come back?
09:11:23 We did in 21, I believe. We did a supplemental . Just one round. It wasn't like emergency spending drop here and we did do an emergency grant in the, I think.
09:11:36 Like 3 months ago to book an outdoor commerce for the visitor center at US 4 service office and We gave them $29,000.
09:11:47 But they in fact haven't had to use that. Don't grant because the first service did come through. Okay.
09:11:54 And, their commitment to helping the staff that facility so we actually will probably have some funds left over from 23 to grant out and 24 so yeah I should mention that there
were 2 items that the county wanted to get into the RFP round, but for various reasons, didn't happen.
09:12:11 One is to pay the parking lot at the visitor center and the other is that the the 30,000 that was granted by LTAC for sort of rejuvenating the building.
09:12:23 Based on the bids that we've received, insufficient to get the work done. And so we were gonna ask for.
09:12:29 Of additional funds so that we could actually accomplish that work. Improve the appearance of that building. Replace some rotting exciting.
09:12:43 Yeah. And so if there's a supplemental round then you'll see those those 2 items. Oh, Parks and Rec.
09:12:53 I want to sit down with you and look at the analysis that Judy did. She did a great job and look at the analysis that Judy did.
09:12:58 She did a great job and gave me an updated number with more revenue to grant. But It was just, hard because people came in with their requests and they couldn't match anybody's
budget.
09:13:04 So, true. Then I drove down to quilting and had a meeting with Chief Manly, which was great.
09:13:12 First time he and I sat down together so that did a long time ago. Have a lot of respect for him.
09:13:19 You're like he understands where I'm coming from more now. And then I'm not a crazy, crazy tree header.
09:13:28 Which is how apparently I've been kids right now. I said that some of his folks, so interesting. Not his team.
09:13:38 It's for an entire. Advocates for cutting trees down. Anyway, so. I'll note that on Tuesday evening I did submit my personal catch record cards for crab.
09:13:50 81 was my number for the season. Nice one was mine. Oh, gee. Yeah.
09:14:01 So it's always fun to add them up at the end of the year and go, oh my god, that was a lot of bread.
09:14:01 So. And then Wednesday I drove over to Ellensburg to be in person at the Timber County's caucus meeting.
09:14:09 And that was fun because I in the previous professional life spent a lot of time in Kitat County and feel like it's another home in a way and so it's really great to be over
there and Meeting was really good turnout or about 40 folks at September counties meeting and presentation.
09:14:27 A couple of. About Carmen from a couple of standpoints. Yeah, I'm told you're doing that you're not next to a microphone.
09:14:41 Oh, sorry about that. Okay. Wow.
09:14:45 Not going to repeat everything I just said, but. I will say we did our LTAC grant applications, our grant review last week and did grant out to assent the amount of LTAC funding
we had.
09:14:58 For, for the proposals that we received. So we did have to give everybody less than they asked for.
09:15:07 But I tried to balance it across the board. And then that was saying I was just, I was the timber counties meeting last week.
09:15:16 It was felt like it was a really good meeting and good presentations. Thursday morning drove back from Ellensburg.
09:15:23 And got back in time to get a couple of meetings in before the Board of Health monthly meeting. And then went down to Point Hudson for the ICG meeting.
09:15:34 And then on Friday, I.
09:15:39 Had an early morning meeting with Kevin Bandawig's legislative assistant about a Senate. Senate staff panel that I'm helping to facilitate.
09:15:50 Next week here in Port Townsend, they're doing some kind of retreat. For the state Senate staff and.
09:15:58 I did not go to the. Community wildfire prevention advisory group meeting. Excited to hear about that.
09:16:04 And. And then yeah, that was it. Picked all my apples.
09:16:11 Finish the week by picking all the apples. Yeah. Great. Busy week.
09:16:18 Kate, do you wanna be able to look at your calendar? Tell us how it went last week.
09:16:22 Yeah, let's see. So, Remember if we, North Olympic Legislative Alliance meeting.
09:16:33 So, I think it was after the public portion of our meeting last Monday. But, that group, which again is a mix of public and private interests on the peninsula, head.
09:16:45 Kinda narrow down some potential items for a legislative agenda and we met with our legislative delegation to discuss some of those topics.
09:16:54 I was only able to stay for part of the meeting, but got, kind of lukewarm response to the Lambert flexibility.
09:17:01 Idea and you know we knew that this is a kind of a complicated one that. Democrats have a hard time supporting this because they know that the governor and environmental groups
really don't want to see flexibility in LAMARDS, but I'm continuing to work on it.
09:17:16 I see it as a few year, process. And it was it was valuable to get their feedback the city expressed some concern about it as did city of Portangelis, which I understand.
09:17:29 So anyway, just lots of kind of socializing this idea, getting, having lot of conversations about it with various.
09:17:36 Property owners in Jefferson County as well as folks around the state. So just know that it's advancing but very slowly which I think is probably the only way that it is ever
gonna get anywhere.
09:17:51 I think the most success I'm having with it is talking about it as a way of Well, pointing out that we have.
09:18:00 We have a good idea of what appropriate. Rural planning looks like. I'm excuse me, at urban planning.
09:18:08 In fact, you know, the whole. Area of study is called urban planning and we really don't know what good rural planning looks like other than to vacate rural areas and that is
simply not realistic.
09:18:20 It's not what we have currently. And so I think it's an important conversation to be having, but it's meeting some resistance.
09:18:29 Let's just say. See.
09:18:36 Tuesday I think it wasn't able to work much on Tuesday that actually got. We go get discharged from the hospital on Tuesday, which was very exciting.
09:18:44 And.
09:18:47 Yeah, yes. Wednesday had a, you know, coordinating council, board of directors meeting and.
09:18:57 That's, Couple things going on there as you know, Scott for your position is open and it's been really slow.
09:19:08 The council lost a lot of its staff right around the time Scott was leaving. So Scott's still around.
09:19:13 So that's moving slowly. We have a retreat coming up, really trying to think about long term strategic planning for the organization with Scott leaving.
09:19:25 Like many organizations coming out of COVID kind of rethinking how they want to do business and So looking forward to that.
09:19:33 I don't think there's anything. To announce that I guess I should say they are starting the petition process for delisting of the canal summer chum first time a salmon species
will potentially be delisted so there's a petition that goes to NOAA for that.
09:19:50 So that'll also be a slow process. Thursday went to, for the legislative steering committee meeting for the Association of Counties.
09:20:02 And Very bizarre outcome there. If you've heard, but the LSC decided not to adopt a legislative agenda.
09:20:12 Oh.
09:20:12 Which, yeah, I was really disappointed with that outcome. There have been. Some.
09:20:24 You know, a lot of concerns around the kind of split with urban counties, Ken County is still very much.
09:20:32 On the fence about whether to stay in the organization or not. This will not help at all.
09:20:36 This could be the nail in the coffin for that. You know, everybody expects this session, legislative session upcoming to be a bit of a wash that everybody is going to be campaigning
major shuffle and the all of the elected positions, short session, very little.
09:20:53 Additional revenue to be spending, etc. So.
09:21:00 Some people took that as a opportunity to say, let's just focus on educating a lot of me legislators.
09:21:07 Some people saw it not adopting a legislative agenda as a way to get in the way of, of supporting things that they didn't agree with on the proposed legislative agenda.
09:21:17 So it was spicy and. I'm concerned. I'm I think this could lead to some unintended consequences or maybe intended.
09:21:30 I don't know, but it's. I think it's it's really unfortunate that WASSEK staff will not have a lot of direction.
09:21:36 You know, we pay dues for them to do work on our behalf and you know, it's gonna be kind of up for grabs what they're working on will be in a defensive position, all session
instead of having things that we're actively working towards.
09:21:52 So as my role in my role as co-chair. I'll be really pushing for using the session maybe to clarify this big upcoming issue, some GMA stuff, some.
09:22:02 This road usage charge how we move away from, fuel tax. As cars become more efficient and we rely less on fuel, etc.
09:22:11 So hoping we can use this time to dig in further on issues. But I just think it's a real lost opportunity and I'm disappointed in the body.
09:22:20 So, more to come on that, I'm sure.
09:22:25 Okay.
09:22:24 Yeah, that's really frustrating. Yeah, sorry to hear that cake, cause I know how much energy you put into.
09:22:30 That entity and I'm really appreciative of your report on and work on Lammers because it's It's a potential awesome tool for rural counties, so.
09:22:43 Thank you.
09:22:48 Thank you.
09:22:42 Appreciate you continuing to push push in a reasonable flow way on that. As the chair, co-chair, push that lambers into our WASAC, right?
09:22:54 I have them work on LAMBER flexibility this year if there's nothing else.
09:22:55 It was, yeah, so it made it through the first round of vetting we did.
09:23:00 We had about 20 I think 24. Proposals that we were supposed to be considering last week in Ellensburg.
09:23:08 For the legislative agenda and the process. Someone surprised us with a emotion to not adopt a legislative agenda and it passed us with a motion to not adopt a legislative agenda
and it passed not by a large margin and it only needed a majority.
09:23:25 And it passed, not by a large margin and it passed, not by a large margin and it only needed a majority.
09:23:26 So in order to take a 1Â s, 2 thirds, majority and that is, but that is for policy votes.
09:23:38 Wow.
09:23:34 So for procedural votes, it only needs a 50%. 51% majority and they were able to get that so yeah, I.
09:23:44 Just stay tuned. You know, I could see they're being maybe a bit of an uprising that the legislative steering committee adopts.
09:23:52 Recommends. But legislative agenda to the membership and they vote on it at the November meeting and so I'm curious if the membership will.
09:24:04 Push back. So. More to come there.
09:24:06 I mean, is there a strategy to maybe bring you know what the agenda as it was the legislative agenda?
09:24:14 As it was kind of rough drafted to the all hands meeting in November for Bringing up yourself or I mean what's what's the path?
09:24:25 I think it's unclear. I think everybody left the meeting on. Thursday? Yeah, pretty stunned.
09:24:34 We also had, oh, I had the ICG meeting to join and the I. 90 was closing.
09:24:41 They were doing blasting work. By 90 so everybody had to get back over the past before the wrote before a 90 closed so there was not a lot of lingering and so We'll have to
decide what we want to do.
09:24:54 There is. Some talk of the Democrats caucus in November at the else at the WASAC conference.
09:25:03 Just to try to get, you know, it's, we have this strange setup like the US Senate, right?
09:25:08 Where the representation is very lopsided. Given the small number of counties. The number of small counties.
09:25:17 Across the state. So, Yeah, there's, you know, and we fall in such a funny position because there are positions that King County would take that we would probably support more
than we would other small counties, although not across the board of course.
09:25:32 So you know, us doing a lot of work on this, trying to figure out how to represent all counties.
09:25:40 And
09:25:42 I'm part of a work group that's working closely on that and you know, I think there's a little bit of goodwill left, but I'm not sure after Thursday actually still there.
09:25:53 Really sorry, Kate.
09:25:53 So. Yeah see, so I had the ICG meeting on Thursday night.
09:26:05 Great to Karen and Greg for your good presentation on Recompete. I know that things have gotten more complicated there as well.
09:26:15 Yeah, since then, even.
09:26:15 Darn human beings. Yeah, see I heard from Karen last night. So I'll let you report on that, Greg.
09:26:23 You're much closer to it. I'm sorry to miss the sort of health meeting that would love to.
09:26:30 Here if there's anything to report out. From that. Friday, Friday had a Olympic consortium board that workforce oversight board meeting.
09:26:42 Jefferson County is still performing terribly. By all performance metrics and the, There's an RFP that goes out for providers to provide the employment.
09:26:55 And, that RP is coming up soon. This, winter maybe. And so I think we really need to use that to, require that whoever gets that contract, the federal dollars for unemployment
services that we really demand that they somehow come up with a better way of serving Jefferson County even if it requires a Totally new delivery model and, Bill Dowling is supporting
that,
09:27:28 but I think we're gonna have to really keep pushing for that. So I might be coming to you guys for, you know, some letters or.
09:27:34 Something to push our agenda more but we are just so far behind. The other counties in the area and it's based on a they set a target number to be met in each county.
09:27:47 And of that target, we get meeting like 11% of the target. I mean, it's just totally unacceptable.
09:27:52 Okay.
09:27:54 So. Follow up with you there.
09:27:57 Out of curiosity, what's what's what's the percentage of other counties? I mean How?
09:28:04 Oh, geez.
09:28:01 Good's up is like 60 and Cl, cl, cl, like, 40.
09:28:08 Okay. Yeah.
09:28:09 So considerably worse. Not that 60 and 40 are great either, but ours is so far.
09:28:18 You know, obviously much, much. Poor, poorly served. Is that the right way to state that?
09:28:28 And then yesterday had a good meeting with, property owners and Shima come more conversations about LAMAR and, you know, one of the things I've started to say is that for, you
know, many, many people that their favorite places in the world, this country and others to visit are actually rural villages in beautiful places and the very kind of places we want
to create and aren't allowed
09:28:54 to. Frustrating. So that was my weekend. I'm still working about half time.
09:29:04 And caregiving the other half time and appreciate everyone's patience and you know their Couple of weeks of this I'm anticipating.
09:29:13 Oh.
09:29:13 No problem. I think your half name is, more than most people given a week. So it sounds like a busy week.
09:29:19 Oh.
09:29:21 I'll turn to the public again if anyone who is with us would like to make public comment.
09:29:26 We're just about at 9 30. We would love to hear from you. You can hit raised hand or start an eye if you're on the phone, see anyone on the phone.
09:29:35 Alright. I will close public comment seeing none and. Look at my week here past week. Let's see.
09:29:48 The actual week. With you guys, of course, on Monday. Went down to Brennan for the Northwood Canal Chamber of Commerce.
09:29:56 Annual Picnic, which has not happened since 2,019, I believe. So it was nice to be out and.
09:30:02 I'm sharing breaking bread with. Business owners from the South County. On Tuesday, I met with couple.
09:30:12 Directors on going through our kind of administrator review. And then I had a recompete meeting.
09:30:21 I'll talk about recompete. I had 2 recompete meetings. It was kind of all we compete right now.
09:30:29 Then Wednesday I was gonna cover the, empower teams, Chimicum and Power Teams for Heidi, but did not actually look at the calendar invite and thought it was in person and went
out there only to find that it was on zoom.
09:30:44 So I cut the second half of it, but it was nice to meet. Carr, the new the new director of the Empowered Chemical Powered Teams.
09:30:51 But I missed the body of it unfortunately. Just got there for half of it. On Thursday, where did I meet with?
09:31:01 With some constituent in the morning, I don't know. I was unable to cover the inner DC since we were all at Board of Health.
09:31:10 Board of Health was good. Grey, our new board health member joined us. Good presentation from Apple.
09:31:17 I don't think there was a lot of action on the table. No, we did a big presentation on the community wildfire planning process and chief black chief black and tracer were with
us and Good conversation with the the board members on that item.
09:31:33 Yeah.
09:31:35 And then, kind of the theme of my week, my, the ICG meeting was at 60'clock in my calendar. As several things got shifted around and.
09:31:50 Yeah, so everyone I think as you were just losing contact Kate is when I coasted in half an hour early as far as I was concerned but half an hour late.
09:31:56 Was a good robust meeting. Added that of course we are going to send a letter of support from ICG for recompete.
09:32:07 I sent a draft over to the 4 administrators this morning. That I did not write and I think John Moore has already written a another draft that I haven't seen.
09:32:15 Friday most of the day was the community wildfire. Protection program, really good group. I mean, I feel like we have all the right people at the table.
09:32:26 I guess we didn't have anyone from the West End there. That was the one issue, but I know they were invited.
09:32:33 Yeah, and there was someone from Olympic National Park who has. Yeah. Commented about West and issues in the past.
09:32:39 Okay. Chris Krisko did a great job of recruiting that committee of. Oh yeah yeah.
09:32:50 It looks it's it was a great group you know everyone from the land trust you know bring a good insight as well as DNR was there and brought a lot of insight.
09:32:56 So it was really kind of. Sort of a brainstorming session with Emily and Vicky or Victoria.
09:33:01 . Vicky. Really capturing a lot, you know, I had silly questions and and folks like Chief Tracer and and Don Speditz from Quill-sen.
09:33:13 Provided a lot of the actual knowledge so felt like a really good conversation to have like we're talking like the building official of the city was talking with Phil Seir about.
09:33:25 You know sharing fire marshal duties a little bit and consistency across county and city and those were some a lot of the things that.
09:33:33 That came out of it was just kind of consistent messaging and making sure that we're aligned and our in our regulations.
09:33:41 And just there's a lot of money as well. I, that was something that I heard, or new to me, but I'm, I'm sure I just lost over it last couple times, but the community wildfire
protection plan.
09:33:51 Opens up a lot of FEMA grants and everything for mitigation planning. So it was it was great.
09:34:00 I had to leave before the in though at 20'clock I had to go to the recompete task force meeting which seemed pretty critical and It's been a challenging group as I reported
ICG.
09:34:14 I think on Friday, I was the asshole in the room for a little while and I never liked to be that, but.
09:34:23 It's hard. You know, and I got really high centered on some of the social service agencies and just the way of the draft and really kudos to Amanda.
09:34:35 Christopherson who's The day before I spent 5Â h with the grant writers. I mean, that's something that is, like all of these grant writers from the Board of Los Angeles and
Clem County and Amanda.
09:34:46 And Karen are spending tens of hours working on these applications and hour that, you know. The tensions aren't making it easier.
09:34:58 I didn't make it easier either, but Amanda really talked me off the, off the ledge a little bit and Karen as well and ultimately we pushed forward.
09:35:09 What do we push forward? The Glencove project with kind of the port's airport as a backup, you know, so not not gone, but 2 similar projects with one kind of lined up in front
of the other.
09:35:21 The westward expansion of the boat yard. Is in the list though we're probably going to partially fund it as we move forward just kind of leaving a little bit of capacity.
09:35:34 Colin County brought forward a.
09:35:39 A navigator program kind of a social service navigator program connecting folks. To job opportunities and helping them navigate the systems and connect the only cap and.
09:35:51 This is where I, you know, I was skeptical and I yielded pretty quickly, but, I had about 5 where I thought were excellent jokes that I had the presence of mind not to use so
that's good.
09:36:04 You write the joke so did you have a I do it for you? I wrote the joke. Ain't all angrily written.
09:36:08 I actually hate Thursday night when I finally got the draft after the ICG meeting. I I hate redrafted the whole thing and Also manage not to send that out,
09:36:21 .
09:36:20 Hey, Greg, could you talk about the your concerns or? To some degree just categorize them.
09:36:27 I mean, I think I was wrong, but I'll share my concerns. One in the strategic.
09:36:34 Development grants. There was a lot of money in phase one going to and a lot of verbiage about it going to.
09:36:42 Kind of this nebulous identifying the barriers which I thought we had already done and you know listed far below that, you know, actually literally what the words, finally,
we also want to work on zoning across, and in Jefferson County.
09:36:56 I'm like, no, I'm looking for planning dollars for Jefferson County for this Jefferson County project, you know, explicitly.
09:37:01 And that's the strategy. And then. My frustration with that kind of rebounded into the.
09:37:09 Navigator navigator. That's one of them. Finally a navigator navigator, cause that's exactly talking about.
09:37:15 And I was just basically. I was concerned that the population that would be helped by that.
09:37:24 Were really kind of the 16 to $25 an hour jobs were a much more likely thing that there was a the crossover between that popular, the population is coming from DSHS and Only
Cap into workforce development.
09:37:39 Was there was a small overlap with those $26 an hour jobs. That was my concern. But, I was wrong.
09:37:49 . So what
09:37:49 So the assumption being that those folks would be more likely to be entering the workforce and lower wage jobs just just like kind of hitting the wrong rung of the ladder.
09:38:06 Okay.
09:38:02 I was gonna channel the force. These are not the pegs you're looking for. So what's the wrap?
09:38:10 Here's what convinced you that you're wrong. You were wrong. Well, I think that it will be more competitive for the recompete application to have a social services element.
09:38:22 You know, we have workforce development. We have the college. The fact that the the college both Peninsula College and Others talk about how Byzantine, some of these, kind of
the paperwork processes are that they would really benefit from having it and they have.
09:38:37 A little bit of navigation services at the college and it's been really effective. So that was a good argument.
09:38:44 The fact that column county brought it forward and wanted to do it you know they're basically the idea is to hire 10 Olympic region, North Olympic region, navigators, many of
them would be housed at the Peninsula College.
09:39:00 So, you know, I mean, it's A fine project. Of course, then it turned into over the weekend as we were talking about getting letters of support, which we're a little behind on.
09:39:12 You know, kind of some.
09:39:16 Maybe Brink's been ship, I think, about whether. The proportion of projects that were in Jefferson County versus Clowon County.
09:39:23 So like the education ones we have about 6 million dollars in phase 2 kind of. And these are all just benchmarks, you know, or rough, rough estimates for Peninsula College for
a couple of different programs that I described, you know, the . NA.
09:39:41 Program, the offshore training, the onshore training, maritime training And one more that I'm forgetting.
09:39:50 And then the Wooden Boat School has a 1 million and a half dollar project to train up and really get another teacher so they can take their, they've got like week long sessions
that they could take on the road and take them up.
09:40:04 To Port Angels and take them to the wherever the business needed them to go. So. I think the education is like kind of the proportion that we were looking for.
09:40:14 But, Calling County doesn't have that many infrastructure projects that they were looking for, both.
09:40:19 K and I. Argued last night and emails that you know, an equitable approach basically is what do the different areas need and you know we have a real need for developing infrastructure
and Calm County.
09:40:36 Seems to have a more of a need for, you know, social service support as well as the work for the incubation that the Enric will do.
09:40:45 And there are, you know. Products in Cloud County too, you know, you have the Spud barge, you have the, the CRTC in partnership with the Maka tribe.
09:40:56 You have, yeah, all of Enric, most of which are, you know, studying, kind of supply chain and transportation issues on the west end.
09:41:05 But apparently, you know, the city of Forks is maybe reluctant to send a letter of support because there's, you know, Not enough money going to the most disadvantaged, economically-discresse
d area in the region, you know, which is.
09:41:21 You know, there's not an explicit forged project even though a lot of those do support it, but and the workforce development obviously would kind of go.
09:41:31 Be distributed equitably more to forks than to other areas. So I don't know.
09:41:37 I think, Commissioner Franch is on that, on the same page. Just sent a note out.
09:41:43 We're trying to schedule another meeting on Wednesday. Another weakness, the I would say the one weakness that our application has is We don't have a lot of tribal projects.
09:41:51 You know, we were hoping to get something that was kind of explicitly tribal. Jamestown tribe is meeting with the Herman Brothers and maybe just with lawyers today.
09:42:02 I'm not sure. Ascertain whether their biotech project, which would be, you know, 51% owned by the Jamestown.
09:42:09 Would count as a travel project or if that's because you know, while that is supported. A project that benefits a specific business is explicitly denied, right?
09:42:22 So it's like, it's, it's like on the fence, but it, whatever side of the fence it falls on is gonna fall all the way on that side of the fence probably.
09:42:30 So, you know, hoping to find with them macaw more like. The project that they brought forward really supports the.
09:42:39 Crtc, the nonprofit that's working on baking across line in the timbers.
09:42:44 And I think in the future, they might have something more about their mill, which is just not a right project yet.
09:42:53 So we're just hoping to get more. Tribal partners in the mix and you know I was trying to you know offer compromises where We gotta get through phase one to get the phase 2
and we can continue to talk about the project.
09:43:06 So there's still going to be a lot of conversation, assuming a successful application as to what the phase, the full complexion of phase 2 is, is kind of an open.
09:43:16 Open, question. So, Eating's Kalam EDC was kind of.
09:43:22 Bulking a little based on the fact that more of the infrastructure, the infrastructure projects weren't 64, basically and Yeah, that's where I work.
09:43:35 I kind of told your response to that already. And the child care, of course. That ends up with the idea is,
09:43:42 So needs assessment and. Navigation basically setting up 2 million dollars worth of subsidies to nonprofit childcare facilities so The idea is that, you know.
09:43:54 Like from a car, I think I shared a story about their headstart facility that is a brand new facility, but they don't have the teachers or operations funds to actually expand
how many seats they have.
09:44:06 So that might be a way that we can get some some some dollars to our travel partners. But I don't think we're gonna have more any more right projects before our October fifth.
09:44:18 So we're trying to just getting across the finish line. Yeah, well thanks for all your work.
09:44:23 Sounds super complex. It's complex and you know, but you know, and we've heard that the Grace Harbor County has a proposal as well as Mason County.
09:44:32 But I have not heard of another at least not around here another 2 county. Project. So that was my pitch last night.
09:44:40 Hey. It's harder when you're working with other people and you have, you know. There's tension and getting what we all want, but.
09:44:49 Okay. We'll see.
09:44:55 So that was recompete. And. Because that those were the high points of my week. Any questions, Kate?
09:45:08 No, I guess it just, you know, it's. Is there any action that needs to be?
09:45:13 Taken to try to. Salvage what sounds like some. Folks getting frustrated to the point of wanting to pull out.
09:45:23 I mean, I think we're doing that as much as we can. We're trying to schedule another meeting or, you know, Most of the members the more active members of comment saying yeah
you know what's Let's get through this and work together and it's hard.
09:45:41 I, I don't think there's any.
09:45:41 Okay. Just. Okay, the last time we were at this kind of breaking point before you took it on, Greg, is one that we did the joint meeting with the, and commissioners to.
09:46:06 Yeah.
09:45:52 And just send a really strong message that. We needed to be working together. So. Just wanna use this time if you know if as a board we need to support something But sounds
like you have some confidence.
09:46:10 I mean I also thought I got Mr. Langley, you know, at least not oppositional to the project, but, you know, so I'm not always accurate in my estimations.
09:46:21 I might always be a glass half full guy, but, you know, I felt the note from Commissioner French this morning, some of my concerns that, you know, he is on the same page.
09:46:31 Call him and Jefferson County just still are on the same page. Our EDC, I haven't heard from Cindy yet, but I know the inner DC said much the same thing that you know we're
we're in this together and you know, region wide we need to these are the projects that came forward right now and you know without something like complaining that there wasn't a project
in force when there
09:46:49 was no project presented in forks, you know, it's not like I know what to do in forks, so someone's got to take take ownership of a project to get it through our into our process
right now.
09:47:01 But letters and support. It's possible that I'll need some help and quickly getting letters of support because we're, you know, I've.
09:47:08 I only heard about the Grays Harbor application because, Senator Van Dway support staff reached out to maybe Colleen.
09:47:19 I'm not sure I can't remember who Karen. Saying oh yeah we we just reached out to for a letter of support for Greyhart Grace Harbor's application.
09:47:27 Do you guys want a letter of support as well? So the game is foot of letters of support. And they said quality not quantity so right now our list of letters of support is like
50 long I don't know I don't know what that means do you have an I mean how many letters should there be I don't even know.
09:47:44 This is a little outside my wheelhouse, but what I'm not even sure. That sounds like a lot.
09:47:49 That number sounds like a lot. That number sounds like a lot of letters. That sounds like a lot.
09:47:54 Yeah. Right.
09:47:51 Yeah, I would think like 6. Would be more than will even be red potentially. Like 4 is probably ideal, but 6 would be.
09:48:03 You know not That might be red or at least looked at. More than that, I'm sceptical.
09:48:06 Yeah. Another open question. I have is, you know, the phase one and phase 2 applications have a different review process.
09:48:15 So do we want? Like project specific letters of support for the phase 2 applications going in at the same time as the phase one application where we have more general letters
of support.
09:48:26 Like an open question that we have to figure out.
09:48:30 It seems like. I mean, intuitively. It seems like specific letters support for. Sub components of applications would be a good thing.
09:48:41 If you had some letters that were. Supportive of the whole scheme. Right. And then some letters that were supportive of the specific.
09:48:52 What do you think, Kate?
09:48:55 Yeah, I think it'd be great if they could do both if you know even if a letter focused on a particular project it could speak.
09:49:02 To specifics of the benefits of that project and then also say we support the you know, the whole package or something so that it's not like it's just an outlier support but
you know it's I would try and hit both.
09:49:20 What I was thinking like we were getting an ICG letter for general support and then if I had a specific letter from the city kind of highlighting their eagerness to partner
on site specific project while also supporting, you know, partnership and, yeah, and a couple from the business is maybe in the Glencoe business part.
09:49:41 So. I will keep pursuing that. As you guys don't object to that path.
09:49:45 Yeah, and the EDA really, really likes private sector, support. So I would, you know, if you're kind of choosing, I would try to look for support from private business.
09:49:56 Great, that's helpful. Thank you. Okay, Mark, you wanna take a look back?
09:50:03 I guess you didn't, yeah, yeah, first Friday report. I was in Italy for 2 and a half weeks.
09:50:09 So really nothing to report regarding county business. Yeah, you caught up on your sleep. Finally, yeah, you're back on weekend, but yeah, I think I'm I've normalized.
09:50:20 Welcome back to our schedule. Thank you. All right. Well, we have 10Â min left.
09:50:25 I guess we can start on calendar calendaring. Heidi, you wanna kick it off again? Okay, so today obviously here with you all.
09:50:41 And then this evening. With you again and Gardner for the community conversation in Gardner.
09:50:50 And then let's see, tomorrow morning I have a meeting with Anna McGinnry and Evelyn from the city.
09:50:58 About behavioral advisory committee membership and the idea of having backup like secondary members alternates for certain well all of the seats because sometimes we can't get
to a quorum.
09:51:14 And now that we're going to these hybrid meetings, it's even more challenging. So.
09:51:26 Sub- looks like Greg is going to the state auditors exit conference. With our auditors office, which is great.
09:51:39 You are? You are. I am. Yeah.
09:51:41 And then I have a Jefferson Community Foundation board meeting. I'll be a little bit late for that because of the strategic plan.
09:51:48 Subcommittee and then I am spending a lot of my on allocated non-meeting hours this week on 4 trust line transfer applications that we approved as a board a couple of weeks
ago.
09:52:02 With mouth Mallory and Catherine. So we're writing grants this week. Or, but so many our applications are not really the grants yet.
09:52:16 Wednesday we have a budget meeting first thing. Okay, do you, are you available to take minutes for that or do you want me to take minutes for the budget meeting?
09:52:24 Let me see, I just pulled up my schedule. And my mom. I, yeah, I should be fine too.
09:52:33 Okay. And then we have a, our strategic planning work group. Session at 1030.
09:52:43 I think we should be that we're I think we're almost done with the strategic plan putting all the final touches on it.
09:52:51 And then I have a midday meeting with some constituents, constituents in Jim. Interviewing a district to potential planning commission member with Joel Peterson at 2 30 on Wednesday.
09:53:05 And then again, working on the Trustland transfer application afternoon. Evening. Then Thursday I am facilitating the Senate Democratic caucus legislative assistance retreat.
09:53:16 I think it's the kickoff session for that. I'm just talking about. Rural issues and It'll be an interesting session.
09:53:28 Then working with Adam, Burnab, Kevin's legislative assistant on that. And then Thursday, early afternoon, we have the mental health field response team meeting.
09:53:40 Then the swack meeting, I think. I haven't gotten the calendar item for that yet, but I have it held.
09:53:47 And then that evening is the super exciting fun than looking forward to boat yard barbecue with the port.
09:53:55 In our Boat Haven. And, and then Friday is the straight. Ecosystem recovery network quarterly meeting at the DENGENS River Center and Squim.
09:54:07 And then more trust land transfer work after that and then Saturday I may go. To Kitsap County, they're having a celebration about the Eglon Forest, which was funded in the
last legislative session through Trustland Transfer.
09:54:22 And, gotten to know a few of the, advocates over there and just wanna support them. They're super excited.
09:54:29 They've been working on that project for probably a decade. So that's this week. Is it busy?
09:54:37 How about you, Kate?
09:54:40 Okay, and then I'm gonna have to jump off, as soon as I'm done here.
09:54:46 Sounds good.
09:54:49 Alright. So I am going to be able to join for the first hour tonight in Gardner only, but that'll be able to at least show me face.
09:55:01 I feel badly. I haven't been able to attend more of those. We are interviewing 2 people for the district one because for planning commission tomorrow with DCD, which I'm looking
forward to, that we have 2 folks who are interested.
09:55:16 We'll be doing some planning for the Board of Health. There's a subcommittee that plans out our climate change topics for months ahead.
09:55:28 Be doing that tomorrow as well. Budget Committee Wednesday morning. Housing fund for Wednesday afternoon.
09:55:38 I think it's at the wrong time in my calendar. It's 2 30, right? Not 3 30.
09:55:45 Yes.
09:55:52 Okay.
09:55:43 Yeah, it's pop it up more and more. It's like it's not consistent when they're an hour off, you know, it's like every once in a while I'm like, you know, it's like every once
in a while I'm like, I show up to a meeting an hour late.
09:55:54 I show up to a meeting an hour late and I'm like, oops, sorry.
09:55:55 Yeah, yeah, it's very bizarre. That I am quite sure that conflicts with the child care.
09:56:04 Meeting of partners mark I'm hoping maybe Well, you'd like to be a housing fund board too.
09:56:07 Good.
09:56:10 Anyway, we haven't had anybody from Jefferson County at the childcare meetings for. A few weeks and I feel badly about that.
09:56:19 I've had conflicts every week. So.
09:56:20 I mean, this is not really the housing fund board is going to get busier at the next meeting because the RFP is we're not going to have processed or anything so it's going to
be kind of house, you know.
09:56:34 I don't know, just business internal business. I think you, are you giving her a pass?
09:56:39 I'm giving I'm giving you a pass.
09:56:41 Oh, thank you. We have had some quorum issues, so maybe Carolyn and I could stay in touch on that.
09:56:46 Yep.
09:56:47 Okay. And then I'll also be, participating in the, legislative retreat happening.
09:56:58 On Wednesday. Thursday, have a meeting with a couple of public health staff to talk about our radio show for the.
09:57:08 6, I believe. It will attend the NRDC. Monthly meetings Thursday. If that date is right, that's another one that's.
09:57:21 Wonky in my calendar. Friday, be doing a radio show with Cindy Jane on electric car chargers.
09:57:33 And unlikely I'll be able to do the port of Port Townsend barbecue unfortunately.
09:57:39 I think I'll just still have to be here. In Seattle. So that's my week.
09:57:45 Do you have the information for that radio show about the grant applications that Chris did for electric chargers?
09:57:52 Market I should probably touch base on that. And and Cindy Jane tends to keep pretty up to speed on those things.
09:58:02 So, and I know Cindy reached out and Mark replied, so I think we got a bit of a loop going there, but, yeah, it would be good to get.
09:58:06 Okay, good. Cause I just remember. There were there were a number of grand applications that he was pursuing for electric vehicle charging.
09:58:15 Yeah.
09:58:15 1, 1, one I know had the, Jefferson County Library on it. That's the only reason.
09:58:21 Yeah.
09:58:21 And that one didn't get funded, unfortunately, right, Mark?
09:58:24 Yeah, I think 3 were. I'd have to dig up the old email. That'd be good to have that for Kate for the radio show.
09:58:33 Yeah.
09:58:35 Yeah, and Cindy is up to speed on those too. Yeah.
09:58:38 Okay, that's a Friday. I'll take that up for you.
09:58:43 I thank you. I'm sorry I have to run. I will join you again as soon as I'm able.
09:58:50 Okay, sounds good. Take care.
09:58:51 Thanks. Bye bye.
09:58:55 Alright, it's just about 100'clock. Do you know if Eric's joining us in person?
09:59:01 Okay, hopefully he'll probably walk right in at 10. Mark, how did the radio show go?
09:59:08 It didn't, yeah, I was gonna reprise my comments about last week. I forgot that I was here on Friday.
09:59:16 And I did join the second meeting of the CWPP, the workshop out there at Point Hudson.
09:59:23 For a short time. Stacey and I, I think we did a, I think we did a good job sharing information about the county budget. We talked about process.
09:59:32 We talked about participants. Talked about fiscal. Responsibility and accountability. And you know, Stacey and I did a little hotwash afterwards and we're both satisfied with
how it went and.
09:59:49 We appreciate the opportunity to talk about our process and how you know, we're stewards of a substantial amount of public resources, 81 million a year or so, and it's good
for the public to have visibility over what we do with those monies and how we manage them.
10:00:08 Excellent. All right, well, we need a break for jump into the tent buck. Alright, it is 100'clock.
10:00:17 So why don't we invite Eric? Why don't you come and have a seat for the microphone?
10:00:20 That was like clockwork, Eric. You walked in. Right. That's how that's how we were all.
10:00:29 Okay. Yours? That's a siren in the last. Babies being Is that what it is?
10:00:48 I was like, I was there. Available. How would you know that?
10:01:02 Okay.
10:01:06 Yeah. Let me share that. And there's the.
10:01:14 I love the interactive map. And then share it on screen, please, if that's possible.
10:01:21 Okay.
10:01:28 How's this the first day without Monty? Second day. How's it going over there?
10:01:34 Let's see it's kind of odd because it's maybe it's because he's gone for longer maybe he's overseas but I mean I'm building in that position for.
10:01:43 7 years or so. We have an announcement. Regarding hearing those, was this is about the where DCD, hearing.
10:02:08 Gotcha. The yeah, the update of the international building codes. We had we had the
10:02:15 Oh, you mean how to help people actually get into it? Not sure what the update is. So they had to be modified.
10:02:25 So the public again, the laser, so the link had to be updated. Gotcha. Okay, so it is it is live now and you're probably with a lot of our laser fish issues now and it's posted
on the website but If it prompts you to log in, you need to use the password public and the username, public.
10:02:43 So you need to type in public as user and password. And we're trying to get it, I think we're just being hit by a bunch of spam.
10:02:49 Bots or something is what's, cause the problem initially? Eric, take us through the tip.
10:03:03 All right. Well, so this is a bit of a formality. We did that this year we did things a little differently.
10:03:07 We did that sort of pre TIP briefing to kind of Let's teach you guys brief on lots of things, including this, but.
10:03:15 Now the county in the last. 4 years have gone to the two-year budget cycle. The other portion of this is that even though we do we traditionally submitted the annual construction
program with the budget and now they're doing the 2 year budget, that kind of complicated thing.
10:03:29 So we separated the annual construction program, the ACP. Out from the budget process and that's due.
10:03:34 To the board, you don't approve it, it just has to be submitted to you before the first Monday in October.
10:03:39 Today is the TIP briefing with traditionally done. It's also the submital of the ACP to the board.
10:03:47 I believe that was in our consent, our bridge condition report went to you as well. Again, no approvals, but just that it has to be submitted to you.
10:03:52 And then the ACP is ultimately I think one of the Third or fourth, now therefore is in the in the resolution to adopt the.
10:04:02 Exactly. So and then and so and then we'll go through the we'll have the TIP hearing later.
10:04:06 But this is this just the briefing to kind of go over. Now as part of that previous. Pre briefing briefing we went through this so I'm happy to go through this at any level
you guys want we have the map up now and it's it's fully functional.
10:04:20 The on the website we have it as we have the map up we have a static map up thanks to Kevin, he's fantastic doing this stuff.
10:04:28 Kevin Hitchcock and the project, the draft project list is up on the website. So you have, I believe in your packet, the draft TIP.
10:04:40 So you guys have seen that. I'm happy to do you want to run through like 10 projects you wanna run through the whole thing do you wanna run through it at all? And Kate just
had to leave.
10:04:50 She did a thing she had to go do, but she gives she's going to watch this later and she'll catch up.
10:04:57 So, you know, walking through, I mean, we're familiar with these projects. I've had a couple recent pro questions about the quilting complete streets I wouldn't mind asking
you maybe more details than you have at hand right now, but yeah, why don't you take us through a couple?
10:05:10 Maybe what we could do is, you know, base its. Loosely on the ACPs. The ACP, as you know, is the first year of the TIP and it's the It's the best defined year of the TIB because
it's next year.
10:05:21 Yeah. So, and as you, as I mentioned at the Qualcomm meeting the other the other night.
10:05:28 You know, next year is. I'm not sure. I mean, I'll be interesting to see how it all plays out.
10:05:33 Cause we've got, we've got more work than we can. Pull off and we'll see how it all goes.
10:05:39 But okay so on the TFP first project on there is cool seeing complete streets on the map. If you click on that that'd be great.
10:05:46 So. There it is and then I guess I thought it zoomed in. I don't know that it really matters, but, you know, the map.
10:05:54 Yeah, when you select a number here it highlights here, highlights there, yeah, but it doesn't zoom in on the map, I guess.
10:06:01 So that's a, is a As you know, sidewalk and pedestrian safety project.
10:06:09 We're very familiar with this one as are you. We just we extended the piff money on until October 25 yeah so hopefully it's a race with the port.
10:06:22 And then there you go. So it's good. That's what competition, that'll get it done. It's not the tortoise and the hair.
10:06:25 It's too I think I'm more tortoise like than the port at this point. So.
10:06:33 Can I ask you one question? The blue is kind of the project. Space, right? For life, a better word.
10:06:41 I'm sure there's a better word. But do you know where the, this is your speed blinking lights are plan to go?
10:06:50 It's at either I mean it's at either end. So right. Yeah, so kind of right at the Wilson Community Center on one side and and kind of just before the turn.
10:07:01 And so, right, yeah, so kind of right at the Wilson community center on one side and kind of just before the turn.
10:07:04 Is that you know that's a you know that's more for the color coding there's if there's a legend somewhere and there's you know, that's more for the color coding.
10:07:09 There's if there's a legend somewhere and there's, you know, blue, orange or blue and orange.
10:07:09 So blue is funded. Blue orange is partially funded and orange is not funded. And the reason that's blue and orange is because we have those 2 projects.
10:07:17 Number one and 30. So one is funded. 30 isn't but they have the same general vicinity on the map.
10:07:25 I think that the same general vicinity on the map. I think that I'd have to go back to the plans and look.
10:07:31 I think that the same general vicinity is in but they have the same general vicinity on the map. Okay.
10:07:34 I think that the speed radar signs might be a little bit outside of If you're right in the spot where you want people to slow down, you're telling them.
10:07:39 You know, so I think that it's actually a little further out, at least on the West side.
10:07:44 But I have to go back to the map and check. I think that it's actually a little further out, at least on the west side. Okay.
10:07:47 I'd love to know just for. A resident. Sure. I think there's a lot of interest in those sign that that was actually a great negotiation point on trying to get that project pushed
forward.
10:07:55 So I look forward to getting them in. Finish the right away process before we can move forward. Yeah, but we're actively working on the consultants or you know making some modifications
to the design to try and satisfy one of the property owners and we'll see where that for the property owners and we'll see where that for that nice.
10:08:12 As long as we're there you want to talk about 16 2 is that on the ACP? I knew newly on the tip, right?
10:08:16 16, well, so and that's not really a public works project. Right. So they, you know, the the tribe and Hood canal Simon Hansen group got a raise grant for I think 2125 and 25
to replace that that bridge heading in the new bridge you know the old bridge is maybe an 80 foot bridge new ones I think 1,100 feet roughly to flood the to spam the flood plane and
it's
10:08:43 a two-phase project one is the the bridge replacement the other one is is is removing the dykes and opening up the floodplain some more so they're focusing on the road.
10:08:51 Portion first. Cool. But obviously you I know that one of the critical elements to moving that forward is getting it into Jefferson County's tip.
10:08:59 So, right. Well, it interfaces with county roads on either side, right? It is a carry road. It'll be a county bridge too.
10:09:10 And Roger Street to the West as their bypass during construction and putting it that dead ends at the river.
10:09:17 So they're gonna put a temporary bridge over the the river there so that they can, you know, to.
10:09:22 Continue access. There's a shellfish place and there's the port and then there's all the residences as well.
10:09:28 So yeah, the marina I should say owned by the port. Okay. So. That's great.
10:09:40 So, so the quilting complete streets project overlaps with the ACP. Well, the closing completes. I'm showing it for construction next year.
10:09:50 So it's on ACP as such. Unfortunately it's been on the ACP for the past 5 years, something to that effect.
10:10:00 So all the projects we're going to review are the ones that are going to review are the ones that are going to review are the ones that are going to review are the ones that
are going to be on the ECP.
10:10:04 So all the projects we're going to review are the ones that are going to be on the ACP. Correct.
10:10:06 And maybe we won't go into every single one, at least, and maybe we won't go into every single one, at least at least the construction projects.
10:10:10 At least, the construction projects. At least, the construction projects, yeah, for next year as as the bigger project.
10:10:13 So second on the list is the Olympic Discovery Trail connection next year as the bigger project. So second on the list is the Olympic Discovery Trail Connection.
10:10:23 You guys are familiar with that. About it. Funded with our COO funds and then, we had some capital funds in there and then to fund that and that'll get us from the existing
Larry Scott trail head to Anderson Lake State Park.
10:10:32 Oh. There's no, no, no, no, that's, that's correct.
10:10:38 15 is the, Yeah, but we were talking about too is Anderson Lake. Right, so. I'm sorry.
10:10:50 We just we were talking about Anderson like and he was down at the raised price. I'm sorry. I heard that. We just, you were talking about Anderson like and he was down at the
raised price.
10:10:54 That wasn' Yep, so 2 will get us to Anderson Lake and then the Raise Grant really takes us from well the parks is building the section through Anderson like State Park and then
that raised Grant is is I think it's 5 what they call components, right, which include all of the segments to, well, all plus one to complete the trail.
10:11:13 So. And that that that. Raise ground.
10:11:19 No, but not outside of Jefferson County. It's all the uncompleted sections. Of the trail.
10:11:27 Yes. From the from the pews of sound of the Pacific. So the ODT, but other trails too.
10:11:32 So it's super exciting that they're digging and talking. You find that it's, you know, like for example in Jefferson County, the section on old highway 9 is a hundred percent
design, which is great because that would have been on the TIp as a Stenolon project anyway.
10:11:46 The other 3 segments are 10 to 30% designed depending on which segment it is. So it's not.
10:11:51 Yeah, I mean, but, but yeah, I mean, there's a lot to be kind of figured out before we can really proceed with them anyway and then the other one is is from the Hood Canal Bridge
and how to connect.
10:12:01 The sound to Olympics trail into the Olympic Discovery Trail Network and which communities to route it through and whatnot.
10:12:07 Again that's at a you know a planning level right so still a lot of work to do but it'll Yeah.
10:12:14 What do you think the most likely route is? Crystal ball? It's hard to say because I'm not even sure exactly what the project.
10:12:23 Yeah, connectivity is is great, but I mean think about how long it's taken us to develop a trail like in formal trail, the 7 mile Larry Scott trail.
10:12:30 So, you know, a formal trail that connects from the hood canal bridge. I mean, it's not.
10:12:35 I mean, maybe way out in the future, it's something like that. But in the meantime, it's gonna be a series of road networks.
10:12:45 Yeah. Paradise Bay and Oak Bay, those are both pretty pretty robust. They've got wide shoulders most of the time, right?
10:12:48 I mean, is, is that go against the grain of the the ODT? There've been I've 4 or 5 alternatives that they've floated.
10:12:58 Okay. For routes in East Jefferson County on roads. So. There haven't been, there hasn't been a selection process or, but they, but they have a map that shows.
10:13:08 I think 4 different alternatives. And keep mind, we do want to be cautious about designating county roads as non motorized facilities.
10:13:19 I mean, I mean, the question of how it's delivered, I guess, but so, I mean, I think it's gonna, it's just gonna lead to more discussions.
10:13:27 So, but I'm happy to, I think it's great, you know, to just start to link up all these.
10:13:29 Non motorized networks. So I guess with that we can jump or we kinda already did jump to the 15 project to just while we're bouncing around.
10:13:39 So I think we have So, I forget what it is now. 27 deliver that maybe even 28.
10:13:47 And then you'll see how it's distributed. Out on there. And that's just an approximation.
10:13:53 There's still a lot of, a lot to be figured out about how exactly that's going to be coordinated.
10:13:58 Port Angels is taking the lead on that project. And then I last I heard. They're gonna be involved in consultant selection process to, you know, bring on a you know create a
roster maybe with 2 consultants, maybe 3, and then you'd be able to tap it rather than every jurisdiction necessarily bringing somebody different, just going to lead inefficiency.
10:14:22 So. Well, from a consultant, yeah, but yeah. For sure. Right.
10:14:33 So, looking forward to seeing how that all plays out and then moving ahead. I mean, that, like I said, the, I'd have to look at the schedule, but that Highway 9 segment really
is of interest because that all.
10:14:44 Once you, you know, we, we built the segment in Discovery Bay and then you use old Gardner Road and then there's that stretch which you're on the highway and you get back an
old gardener but with that.
10:14:54 That whole length to the county line will essentially be completed. So pretty exciting. And then once again, I think they're looking at once we get the design done on that,
will be able to.
10:15:05 You know, do another raise grant to try and fund construction. So at least good to have a. And goal, and then a strategy to get there.
10:15:16 So jumping back in Nailer's Creek, replacements number 3.
10:15:21 We, I think I mentioned this recently, we had receive fish bear, WDFW, fish berry removal board funds for design and for construction.
10:15:32 And then there was this protect funding that came out through FHWA. We shifted. We had the opportunity to shift to the protect funds.
10:15:41 It allowed us to a get 100% funding versus the our CEO, RCO managed DFW funds.
10:15:50 Can't remember what the match was, maybe 85, 15, something like that. So we were able to do 100% and with the inflation that's happened since we did the, we were able to reboot
our.
10:15:58 Finish that sentence intentionally, but we're able to reboot our estimate and ask for a little bit more funding to make ourselves whole.
10:16:06 So great. We're waiting. There was not September. Eighteenth deadline that it seemed like we snuck in just under the wire because federalizing a project is not an easy thing
to do.
10:16:16 We're waiting. We've been told by DOT that we're. Funded. We haven't gotten anything written yet so waiting to see on that but that's 2 culverts one on West Valley Road one
on Gibbs Lake road fish fixing fish barrier.
10:16:30 Culverts. So another 2 good projects. Just kind of keep nibbling away at the fish barriers.
10:16:37 Project number 4 center road that is a crab rap funded project crab, you know, we've kind of advanced this project.
10:16:47 Crab is. Is offering 0 match. Next year for construction. So typically that'd be a 90 10 scenario so that's a chunk of change we're saving and it's not too hard to get a paper
out.
10:17:00 Okay, we got some capital money. We, actually, if you'll see, Mark in the budget, I actually didn't put the capital money in the budget.
10:17:09 I actually didn't put the capital money in for that one because I'm hoping that I may give it back.
10:17:11 So. Or we can maybe apply to something. I love sewer. Anyway, yeah, the way it's looking we're looking we're gonna do something a little different on that one.
10:17:23 Oftentimes when we do these papers it's it's a traditional overlay which means bringing all of the pavement up to tents something like that and then we rebuild the shoulders.
10:17:31 Pave the road approaches, so on and so forth. We did some coreing on here and the.
10:17:36 Pavement section is adequate. So we're looking instead of doing what what's termed a mill and fill where we go a little outside of the fog lines, mill it down and then just.
10:17:46 Put, you know, new pavement in its place. So the shoulders are generally fine because they don't get all the wear and tear travel lanes.
10:17:54 And, and replace. Mill and Phil. I learn new vernacular. Thank you.
10:18:02 But it does save a little bit money too because we're not having to pay those 8 foot shoulders.
10:18:03 Yep. So between that and the 100% crab funding, we're looking at least right now pretty good from a budget standpoint.
10:18:12 Jefferson County road departure reduction project number 5. That's the one that we recently awarded.
10:18:18 I think I mentioned we had 4 bids that ranged from 500,000 to 1.2 million roughly.
10:18:25 We had to reject. Low bid. We were able to go back to DOT and get additional funds, $200,000 or so.
10:18:32 They were, I think that's on your consent. Agenda today to award that. So with that, we gave the contractor some flexibility.
10:18:43 And that might have led to some of that volatility in the pricing for how long they had to.
10:18:48 I mean, they have a set number working days, but we give it a bigger window within which to complete the job.
10:18:52 So it remains to be seen when the contractor will do that project. For the sake of budgeting and TIP, I'm assuming that they do a portion of it this year and a portion of it
next year, completing it.
10:19:02 So, and that project will replace a whole whole bunch of street lines, 5 to 600, not street sign.
10:19:06 But road traffic signs and then also some guardrail and curved delineators and that came out of our local road safety.
10:19:13 Planned. Plan. That's what the actually the cover on there is from that program. Explain what the county road departs.
10:19:26 I don't really understand what road departure that part of that. Keep you on the road so that you don't suffer injury by impacting something not on the road.
10:19:35 Okay so yeah this so we had to do a local road safety plan and you know the biggest type of accident that we have is run off the roads and it's and they're not at predictable
locations either people just randomly and not even and I think single vehicle run off the road is our most common.
10:19:53 Type of accident. So people are just driving along and drive off the road. The deer. Fell asleep.
10:20:01 Pharmaceuticals, speed, ice, you know, any, any, yeah. So I'm gonna insert a specific issue that I mean any phone calls about.
10:20:09 When you leave roadie drive to turn on to Anderson Lake Road. There's a big ditch about.
10:20:17 The pavement extends past the. Payment marker for about 12 to 14 inches and then there's this like where the pavements broken and I've gotten a call 3 times on this and finally
I 3 is my magic number folks if you're listening if I get a call 3 times about something I mean sometimes if I get a call one time but this one was the third time I got a call about
this I
10:20:39 was like okay I'm driving on I'm taking pictures I can show you the pictures after we meet Eric but It is.
10:20:45 Why I asked about road departure. I think the concern came because a gentleman Did leave the road or to turn the corner and then navigating the corner kind of slipped into that
.
10:21:04 And it's a it's a really kind of steep anyway. I'll show you. It's fine.
10:21:07 It's a really kind of steep anyway. I'll show you. It's fine.
10:21:09 I mean the reality is it's it's in DOT right away so it should be their maintenance issue but it'd be easier if we just take care of it.
10:21:13 How far does the right away go? I have to look at it right there. I'm guessing that's a hundred foot right away.
10:21:18 So, Well, it might be easier for us to just address it. Yeah, so it's yeah, cause I did come on to about this one like.
10:21:27 A year ago and he said DOT right away and I was like okay makes sense and then I was like I'm what is the solution that people are they want it repaired.
10:21:43 But some put some some, a, a big drop off, a big drop off, a big drop off, a big drop off, a big drop off a big drop off a big drop off a big drop off a big drop off.
10:21:50 I think like there was another corner one of our popular corners I was at the other day and it's some similar situation where it's the edge of payment and there was, you know,
pretty steep drop off.
10:21:53 I mean, it was maybe 6 8 inches, but if you get that it's gonna be hard to recover.
10:21:56 Yeah. And they'll take you in that direction. And there have to be a culvert in the top of the metal cover it was actually worn through a little bit in the top of the metal
covert was actually worn through a little bit.
10:22:05 Oh, had the crew out there go out there and just kind of pull it up and feather it out.
10:22:07 I think we could do something simple. Okay, well that's why, that's why I asked this question because that's like road departure this is triggered mine.
10:22:12 So, departure, I mean, that's just what it's, you know, to try and figure out things that we can do with the funding to limit road departures.
10:22:22 I mean, short of putting guardrail on both sides of the road for the entire, I mean, it's hard.
10:22:26 I mean, we fixed most of the predictable spots. I think we fixed all the predictable spots.
10:22:30 If we have when there is an accident that we we get the reports and then and it has a six-year summary of how many other accidents they have in that location.
10:22:39 So and generally it's you know 2 or 3, but it's again, it's not very, you know, very predictable.
10:22:46 So, and even if that putting, you know, joking, but putting garbage, that would, you know, someone run off the road, bounce off the guardrail and who knows.
10:22:53 So, so looking at things like improving, you know, delineator. You know, markings to call attention to them, you know, when it's dark or wet.
10:23:02 Street signs, I don't know if you remember last time we did that sign project. I mean those signs are significantly brighter.
10:23:09 Yeah, almost obnoxiously so initially, but it does. They think, after the first year, they don't have that new, sheen is gone after the first year.
10:23:19 And what's the 10 years? Is that the reflective life? I'm not sure the technology is changing too, so and yeah.
10:23:26 So that's what that project is. Little quilting river bridge replacement again down in your neck of the woods that project will replace the existing load posted bridge you know
100% funded local bridge program.
10:23:43 Yeah, I think summer 2425. That's why we have it. So I'm getting out of construction.
10:23:50 I guess we're just looking heavily at design at this point on. And, Birmingham permitting right of way.
10:23:57 I think environmental permitting is the big one. To try and get through.
10:24:02 Well, I guess I'd go maybe to 10 or something. This number 7 is the flat project through Western federal lands looking at ways to just kind of reinforce the city road.
10:24:14 Number 8 and 9 are TA. I think I have a tap on yours, but you know, TA funds through the transportation alternatives program.
10:24:24 To build sidewalks to link up that whole non motorized network within the try area so we're looking at that we Heidi joined us at the community meeting there trying to figure
out how to get from the Grange.
10:24:36 North to HJ. Carroll and then another project to go. To the south to the 4 corners down there within a river.
10:24:44 Can you do like a raised sidewalk even on already drive? It's a sidewalk. It's got a curve, it would be pretty safe for work.
10:24:51 Yeah, The North project I thought would be sort of a slam dunk, you know, just get it in there, but it's it's Nothing's ever easy.
10:25:00 So it's dead flat through there, which makes it really difficult from a stormwater perspective. You put a curve in gutter, then where does the water go?
10:25:07 Dry wells aren't.
10:25:10 Really possible right now. We need to look at more like infiltration type facilities and then it takes width and then where you have limited right of way and then there's a
green belt through the air.
10:25:21 So we sort of have it shoehorned in there. We're working on that currently.
10:25:23 We don't have any construction funds. I have the design funds and on that South segment we're short on design funds.
10:25:29 So. That was that's a potential if application to try and round out the. Design funds on that. South segment. There's also gonna be another.
10:25:39 Ta call here shortly. So it might be another good project to try and round that out as well.
10:25:44 So.
10:25:47 And then, well, I guess we could lump the next 2 together, Lords Lake and Shine Road, they both washed out the same year.
10:25:54 We have FEMA funds. We're actively working on that and so I show them both for construction next year.
10:26:02 That might be a little rosy. We'll see again. And so I show them both for construction next year that I be a little rosy.
10:26:08 We'll see again, a capacity issue getting them designed, getting the permitting done. And then seeing if we can get out to construction on time, I'd like to think that get at
least one done, maybe both.
10:26:15 I mean, there's a strategy on both of these 2. Kind of go where it didn't collapse on the other side and why it widen it to the to the Heal of the hill rather than the toe.
10:26:24 Well, with the with Lords Lake, FEMA really pushed us to do a repair. And on the downhill side, which is not practical.
10:26:36 It's expensive. We like fix the spot and then inevitably it looks as though it would slide on either side.
10:26:40 So we went through a long drawn-out process. Looks like it's nearly a wash in price to move the road into the hillside.
10:26:45 The problem is the hillside solid rock. Oh, so we'll have to like that we did some test pits.
10:26:50 We'll probably have to go in there and actually dynamite it to get it out of there but it's still going to be a better long-term solution.
10:26:57 Don't engineers love it when they get to dynamite things? You bet. Yeah. So, and then Shine Road, same thing.
10:27:04 There's no way to fix that bluff. We can't chase that down to the beach.
10:27:08 And even if we could fix that down to the beach and even if we could, we wouldn't be able to permit it. And even if we could, we wouldn't be able to permit it.
10:27:11 So moving it, you know, away from the bluff and then, you know, we have, I think we had $100,000 in ARPA funds to contribute and that was looking at maybe doing some you know,
fixing the rock work to reinforce the toe of that slope a little bit.
10:27:24 And however else I can help that project. So, wow, excited to see those moving forward. So that's probably a pretty good overview.
10:27:33 I can keep going if you guys like me to. So this is my, this is why I live in Breeze.
10:27:36 I'm happy to share. It's exciting for me. I don't know. What's your thought tiny?
10:27:40 But what's the, yeah, I mean, how much time do we have? We've got, 34 total, so we can't, we're not going to go through all of them.
10:27:51 Tell me when to stop. Alright, go on. We've got a little bit more time.
10:27:52 Culprit lining process is, you know, you have to give a lot of credit to Bruce Patterson in his office.
10:27:58 He's the one who brought this to light and proposed it and we did this was it last year or the year before and it was very successful and you know tremendously cost-effective.
10:28:10 The idea of trying to close Oak Bay Road or build a bypass to dig up a Covert 30, 20 foot deep, versus, you know, slip lining it essentially.
10:28:20 We can't do this on any fish passage projects, but any, non, because it doesn't meet the, yeah, too small, too small or too steep or what I mean.
10:28:31 I mean, think about like. You know, 4 3 8 on the upper whole road. We had a whatever that was Covert now we've got this job.
10:28:40 The box. Basically on a lot of these fish barrier projects. Just, you know, these little culverts that were lining 2432 that just aren't adequate so for whatever the fish fish
you know the applicable fish passage criteria are so but but we have plenty of culverts that aren't.
10:28:58 So is there all getting, so, it's just a great cost-effective way that's there.
10:29:03 So, it's just a great cost-effective way. That's there is no funding, so that's just a great cost-effective way. That's there is no funding, so that's all county road dollars.
10:29:05 So you just have see how we can sneak those in here and there. Based on what else is going on.
10:29:09 The Gardner Beach. Road boat ramp repair is a joint project with the port mostly I shouldn't say joints mostly the ports work we just said we would contribute some money to
the asphalt.
10:29:20 They're gonna be raising that. I think in the end it was 12 or 18 inches maybe even says on here.
10:29:27 No. And so we're just contributing some money towards the the repaving of our road. Are you gonna be able to join us tonight?
10:29:35 I'm sure. Well, tonight we're meeting at the Gardner Community Center. Monty's out of town, of course.
10:29:40 There might be questions about that. I can also invite the port if you think it's it's well And that, yeah, it's your call.
10:29:49 If you wanna invite the port or not, they're able. You know, is anyone from Public Works planning to attend?
10:29:53 No, but if you'd like, I can. I would like, but I don't know what you weeks like, so I don't, I mean, I'm not, I'm not, it would be lovely if someone could join because I think
we anticipate that we'll have public.
10:30:05 Well, you know, it's district 3. I'm not sure if they're going to be Brennan strong, but, but I think they'll be some people.
10:30:13 Yeah, it's what time percent? 60'clock. The community setting makes sense. Okay, that would be great.
10:30:19 And I mean, you can probably speak to it as effectively as the port. I don't really want to, I mean, I'd rather have you than the port.
10:30:26 So.
10:30:29 And that's also partnership with WFDFW as well, right? They on the parking lot? Are they doing it?
10:30:36 They're resurfacing the parking lot at the same time. But isn't gonna be lower than the road or is it gonna be raised with the road?
10:30:44 I believe it's gonna be lower than the road. I mean the road as it is, I'm not super familiar with this project.
10:30:52 It's not ours, but I know that the roads coming up and the ramp is coming up and then they're putting in it's a I think they're putting a floating dock next to the car ramp
to make it ADA accessible.
10:31:01 Yeah, so and then and then when the road comes up obviously they approach that parking lot has to come up but I don't think it's coming up flush.
10:31:08 It'd be a tremendous amount of fill to do that. Because it's already a drop and in the roads coming up.
10:31:12 So I might wanna put a placeholder in Eric's brain about the Western community outreach meeting too on the sixth.
10:31:19 October sixth, October sixth. We're, we're actually, we'll be back too, but he has not back. Thank you.
10:31:31 Will October sixth. Oh yeah. Yeah. I'm sure there'll be questions about the whole road and oil city.
10:31:35 Yeah, it's an opportunity to zoom into that. Folks zoom in for the West. Yes, we're told there's good Wi-Fi there so, okay, on that.
10:31:44 They got startling that. Oh no, they got fiber down there. Do you help with fiber?
10:31:49 So yeah. Okay, but most likely we'll have Love visiting the West End, but it's, you know, just a big ask.
10:31:57 I know you guys are all going. Yeah, happy to zoom into that one. Put a pen in that one.
10:32:05 For sure. Cool. Cause there's road issues out there. Hellwering Creek Trib.
10:32:10 So, This are there's 4 I believe. Trout unlimited. That is number 14.
10:32:19 Mark, can you navigate to number 14? So that's on the upper whole road. Down the West End.
10:32:28 They've been a great partner so far getting these funds and replacing these fish barriers. So we're at a, you know, Reviewed some alternatives and there, you know, there's a
preferred alternative or moving forward.
10:32:42 On that so there's the number 14 is that and then I can jump ahead for a moment. Number 19 number 20.
10:32:53 And then the clear water. I think that wants further down because they're not fully funded yet.
10:33:00 If you guys get there before I do, oh, there's number 21. The Donkey Creek.
10:33:06 So Donkey Creek, Lydner, and Snell are all. Being managed through Trout Unlimited.
10:33:13 So they're on they're on county roads. They need to be on the ACP and TIP and then obviously we're involved in.
10:33:19 You know, vetting these projects, but they're doing the lion's share of the work.
10:33:24 What about I saw a while back, Van Trojan. And Trojans, so that's on for 25 chip ceiling.
10:33:32 It's one I hear a little bit about. So, okay. That would be a, I mean, it's a gravel road right now.
10:33:36 If you're kind of by chip ceiling, you're kind of turning it into a chip sealed rotor? Well, that's why it's on the annual.
10:33:44 Construction, it's capital project converting a, you know, sometimes we'll do like a, you know, sometimes we'll do like a small extension just for dust controller, we're there,
but this is a pretty significant.
10:33:51 Just for dust controller, we're there, but this is a pretty significant. Yeah. Ask taking a gravel road and making it into a pavement. Ask taking a gravel road and making it
into a pave road and making it into a pave road.
10:33:57 That's why
10:34:00 And so that'll be that's fully county funded. I mean, that's sort of dipping into one bucket and, you know, versus another one.
10:34:07 Instead of coming out the road maintenance budget, it'll come out in capital budget, but it is a capital project and an expectation that it shows up on the ACP and the TIP.
10:34:14 What kind of community outreach do we do about that? You know, I don't know.
10:34:19 I know that when the crew, I shouldn't say I don't know, but when the crew does their chips feeling they go door to door.
10:34:26 And so I would imagine a similar process here. And then that's I mean that's you know on just doing a chip seal on an already chip sealed road.
10:34:36 You don't go door to door. What do you mean? They knock on the door and say we're gonna be chip sealing your I mean, they did knock on my door when they chipped.
10:34:47 I mean, and that's well, it's been our process. They have they, they create, you know, a little flyer and they have, they, they create, you know, a little flyer and at least
like a door hanger.
10:34:51 They do that and then I think that they, you know, when they put the door hanger they may knock it might be depends on the person that's doing it in the in the leadership at
the time.
10:34:57 But. That's the, that's the process that I'm, yeah, that, yeah, messages don't try. You're a nice card.
10:35:08 Yeah. I get calls about that.
10:35:13 So I think back to number 15, we touched on that. That's the Olympic Discovery Trail PS 2 P project that's the the 5 components I believe within Jefferson County.
10:35:24 Now the City has components as well. And so we'll be working closely with the city at least on one of theirs and that that is getting through the city lake property.
10:35:33 So the trail will likely follow the water line alignment at least for a good portion of the way, but they have to acquire the property first, which they are in the process of
doing.
10:35:43 Okay. So
10:35:45 16 we touched on 17 we touched on 18 is a We had a wash out there. We're required to do some mitigation.
10:35:54 That's, you know, an ever-changing, you know, how dynamic that river and road are.
10:35:59 So the hell? That's the Upper Who Road Spruce Creek Mitigation Project.
10:36:04 So we have to continue to never work with the permanent agencies on that 1. 1920 we talked about 21 we talked about Rick Tolson ball field connection that's sort of a long going
project that's another link in the non motorized network within the try area.
10:36:19 It's got a right away issue. We need to resolve and then get back to it's also the project scope creep started one way and then we added and we added and we added and at this
point I really think we.
10:36:30 Probably need to, well not probably, we need to get some grant funds on it because it's gotten.
10:36:36 If we do what we like to do, it's going to be too expensive to just. Are you going through the old park?
10:36:41 I mean, how does what's the route that it takes? Are you going through the old park?
10:36:46 I mean, how, how does, what's the route that it takes? The route is a long, well, initially from the, from the end of the Rick Tall, since that would be along the road.
10:36:54 And then that road. At the food bank that road is vacated. Between the food bank essentially and and Palmwell road and so when that process got started but never finished, we
were deeded another piece of property so we could turn all Hadlock road and make a 90 degree intersection with Chimicum road, which would be a far better intersection.
10:37:20 The pedestrian route would follow that realignment and then hang a left and run parallel to Chimacombe Road and then we would put a pedestrian.
10:37:27 Crossing across Chemicon Road to get kids safely to the Bob Bates fields. But then it would also connect to the LC Lopementro, which is on the other side between Palm Well and
Lopman Road.
10:37:37 And, and then the idea would be like, you know. Create a path, you know, on the sewer access road and I don't know if you've been at how you were out there and you guys as you've
been out there recently, it's, you know, there's a nice route to get from there then out to 116. The library.
10:37:53 The library and then connect with our Cedar Avenue project. You can see how it all starts to come together.
10:37:58 And then the next one would be, you know, trying to connect to like, I don't know what that intersection is called, but the QFC intersection.
10:38:04 And then potentially get a non motorized path down to the waterfront. I finally wrote my back on the LC trail and saw the fence across the trail.
10:38:12 Yeah, that was frustrating. No, it's just that some, the landowner who owns the land adjacent to that trail.
10:38:24 Built a fence. Around his property and part of the fence is over the trail. Because of where he had his property lines surveyed, right?
10:38:34 And so I mean, he put the he put the fence on the property line. So the hard part is is that there's a pole and there's a guy. Yeah.
10:38:41 And the guy is as tight as it can be. Well, within reason, we might be able to tighten it up a little bit, but it, ate about 4 foot into the trail.
10:38:48 So it goes from a 10 foot trail down to a 6 foot trail and then back out to a 10 foot trail.
10:38:52 The road who's gonna go in there and try and widen out the trail and then the PE is gonna go in there and see what they can do.
10:38:58 On the road, on the roadside. On the roadside. Correct. If they can.
10:39:02 Vince is in an accurate place. He's not. Fences in the, the trail is partially built on his property.
10:39:08 So I mean, it's all, but I, but I've been hearing about it finally.
10:39:10 I'm like, all right, my bike. Road over at HD. Caroline Day and went that way.
10:39:14 And It was like, oh no. So we'll see how that, I mean, I think, you know, we'll have to add a minimum set that guy lower and if we can pick up a flood or something, I'll make
a big difference and then we'll cry.
10:39:26 Put some safety bollards or something because it's It's in the clear zone for the trail.
10:39:31 So we need to do something. And there's not a real great lot, you know, inexpensive solution there.
10:39:39 You know, there's beauty has some things they could do, but it's a pretty big undertaking.
10:39:43 So. Keep working on that one. Much improved over where it was. 5 years ago.
10:39:51 That whole trail. Daca Bush, you guys, is probably familiar with that. 100 and 26 million dollar project.
10:40:00 Again, it's on this because it intersects with a couple of county roads and we've been involved with those guys in a lot of conversations, but it's largely a DFW, DOT, and Army
Corps project.
10:40:12 I think that's going to move forward this. I mean, I heard they probably are gonna have like, 80, 60%, 80% plans by this fall.
10:40:17 Yeah, in the loop with that? Yes, maybe we meet with them a couple times a year. I Think, yeah, I think it's beyond 80%.
10:40:28 Maybe it's a hundred percent. It could be. I think they're pretty close if not.
10:40:31 I don't think they have all their funding, but they're pretty dying close, I believe.
10:40:35 So, I think Watchdot took responsibility for the road or Army Corps. Someone took a big chunk of responsibility that mitigated the need for some of the funding I perhaps.
10:40:45 Okay. I can't remember, but they are rebuilding the county road and then putting a box cover down under a different county road.
10:40:53 So changing the intersection a little bit too. The intersection. We, we talked them into putting a turn line in.
10:40:58 Looking forward a little bit. Okay. So. Oil city road that started out as a trout unlimited.
10:41:06 Project and they got transferred. We applied for flat funds and then Western federal lands is taking over on that one.
10:41:12 So that's been a. Long time coming that was I don't know if you guys are familiar with that there was a washout
10:41:18 18 years ago. We built a bypass just upstream of the culverts well you know to get around but we also thought it would serve as the bypass the juries out on whether that will
actually.
10:41:30 Happen. It is an active landslide zone through there or at least an immediate vicinity. So, but they're, they're working on it. So that's great.
10:41:40 It'll be nice to get that road fixed right through there. Yeah. Upper Who Bank Stabilization Project.
10:41:46 7.9 8.2 that's similar to what is going on currently that is funded. My post 8 and it'll be more Dolose.
10:41:55 I'm like, just. I like, I think they look good. I like the contrast of nature and industrial gray.
10:42:04 They won't last. I know. It'll turn real. I know.
10:42:10 Paradise Bay overlay. That is just an overlay from Andy Cooper Road down to the bridge.
10:42:17 It'll you know, they'll be they're gonna do the roundabout next year and then then our asphalt will tie into there's we applied for that we were actually ranked quite well with
crab rap funds but because we had active crab rap funds were limited in how much we can get so even though we ranked at a point where we would have been funded, we didn't get funded
because we already had
10:42:36 all of too much gravy funds. Yeah, so we'll apply again. It'll still be a we did a chip seal up to Andy Cooper actually a little bit past Andy Cooper and the DOT will be doing
their paving so it's a it's a link project which we go through a whole scoring process.
10:42:50 We'll get some points for that because it's connected to the roundabout project. Yeah, we have a new new projects on either end and this will this will tie it all together.
10:42:58 So it works out pretty well that way. Upper ho, number 27. That's another flat project.
10:43:07 That's to, replace. All of the paving. You know, we applied for that.
10:43:12 I don't quote me, but I think it was in 2016 or 2,017 and just because of all the work out there and how busy Western federal land it just keeps getting bumped and there's a
certain logic which I do agree with of trying to get all these big other projects done first.
10:43:27 So we're not, you know, really reading up the road. On the other hand, the road needs help.
10:43:30 So we're actually looking to advance that project at this point. It's largely chip seal. There's some guardrail involved with it and I think there's a little bit of HMA but
asphalt at least I think it might post 3.
10:43:41 Sorry, what's HMA? Hotnik? Ask.
10:43:56 Let's see, 28 West End, Oil City road, point 8 8.9. That's again mitigation for the, you know, the bank protection and Colbert.
10:44:05 Well, I guess it's actually we're not required to do medication from DFWs perspective that they were still up, you know, that's still to be decided with the Army Corps, but
that's what that project is.
10:44:15 Yarbridge, 29. I don't know how much we've talked about that, but that does go into the bridge report a little bit.
10:44:22 That's, you know, we had to do relat, load rate all of our bridges.
10:44:26 That bridge looked like we were gonna have to load post it for everything including county dump trucks and snow plows.
10:44:35 We were able to kind of You look at the math from a different angle and then use other.
10:44:41 Components of that structure. And size it that way and we're able to back it off. Significantly, but we're still eligible for the local bridge program funds, which are the same
funds that are replacing the little quill scene bridge.
10:44:53 So that applications in we haven't heard back yet. So how much time do you need for the bridge condition report?
10:44:59 Because we have an executive session on the lab. Don't need any time for that or just for you guys to see it.
10:45:04 Okay. So, okay. But I, I can, I can stop. I'm going into you guys.
10:45:10 5 more minutes. I know, I totally I mean I could geek out on roads with you for most of the day Eric. So happy to do it.
10:45:19 Qual and completes phase 2 project number 30. I mean hopefully if the first one goes off. You know, this one is sort of all queued up to go.
10:45:25 We did that. The original grant had that very heavy public input process led to a design that dramatically exceeded the budget.
10:45:34 So the phase 2 is to do those other other elements that came out of the public process that weren't in the construction budget for the phase one project.
10:45:42 And then still not. Funds have not been obtained for the show. No, I mean We haven't, I don't think we've even asked. It seems hard to go back to.
10:45:49 I mean, because the most logical funding agency and say, hey, we got a phase 2 project and they're gonna say, well, hey, but you finished the first one you're funded for first
and then go ask Mark for some Piff funds for the Phase 2 project.
10:46:02 Let's see what he says. So. Center road culvert correction this project is right up the road from that yar bridge that's a pretty interesting double barrel covert and I think
we're gonna yeah we had we had applied to the fish bear removal program for those funds I think in the next round we'll go after those protect funds.
10:46:26 Now that we kind of know the process. You know, and the 100% is attractive. When we met down at the Thorndyke box cord slash bridge, whatever you want to call it, I guess it's
kind of right on the margin there.
10:46:38 We met with, I can't remember his name from DFW. Did we meet with from DFW?
10:46:43 Was it didn't we, our CEO? And then they were going up to look at like the yard bridge and everything.
10:46:51 Encouraged him to. I don't know if you actually did. And then they were going up to look at like the yard bridge and everything.
10:46:55 So I encouraged him to. I don't know if you actually did or not. But was that is that all part of the kind of the pushing to get our CAO funds for that other those or I mean
I guess I'm just well we applied for our CO funds through you know the RCOs managing those Brian Abbott fish bear removal and we had applied for that site before.
10:47:11 I said I think we'll probably put out of that more maybe we'll apply for both and our our bets but it's good for any like any of us you know once you see it it If you get a
better grasp of what it is that needs to be done.
10:47:21 But we'll probably go after the FHWA protect funds for that site. So, and then the last 3 are just countywide projects that are on here kind of as placeholders that H.
10:47:33 SIP funds, which is the same thing that funded the local road, the departure project, you know, those are constantly available and it's a kind of a living breathing plan.
10:47:43 So we'll continue to try and highlight projects. One that comes to mind is the Jacob Miller Discovery Intersection.
10:47:51 We're working with the city to maybe create a much larger project there that is all for intersections.
10:47:56 Jake Miller Discovery, Jacob Miller, 2020 mill road and 20 discovery and try and look at a, you know, a big way to address all 4 of those at once.
10:48:06 Heavy. Bridge heavy maintenance program if you dig into the bridge report, you'll see that there's some things that need to be done on some of our bridges, nothing our mission
critical, but they all need to be done.
10:48:15 And so that's what that is and then countywide various road improvements is just you know having some money in there to do little things that would be quote unquote capital,
but they need to be on here or else we have to come back to you guys and do a hearing each time we.
10:48:28 Add something to the TIP. We made it through the whole thing. All right, time to spare. Yeah. Thanks, Eric.
10:48:38 Thanks so much. Always enjoy all the work that you guys do over public works and, Just love this whole process, you know, it really, kind of lets us behind the veil of some
of the things that you guys are doing on the county's path.
10:48:51 So thank you very much. No worries. Okay, thank you. A lot break and I can show Eric my pictures.
10:48:57 Yeah, let's recess for 7Â min and we'll come back and then we're going into an executive session probably until the lunch hour.
11:01:13 You know, having on the computer or something often helps straighten that out.
11:01:22 Alright, it's 1101. We're coming back in. I'll call us back to order and we'll call us back to order and we're going to immediately go into an executive session.
11:01:32 And we're going in with the County Administrator, Chief Civil Deputy Prosecuting Attorney and Human Resources Director regarding reviewing the performance of a public employee,
no discussion of salaries, wages, and other conditions of employment to be generally applied.
11:01:45 Within the county and no final action on the hiring, the setting of the salary of an individual employee or class of employees or discharging or discipline disciplining an employee.
11:01:55 Exemption is outlined in the Open Public Meetings Act, RCW, 42 dot 30 dot 110 parentheses one parentheses G we're planning on being in an executive session for 1Â h.
11:02:05 We'll come out at 120'clock and probably go directly into lunch unless there is any action in which case was a public comment and and consider the action.
12:03:04 Ready? All right, we're coming out of executive session. No action is to be taken.
12:03:12 And with that, we will adjourn, sorry, excuse me, recess until 1 30 when we will come back into regular session.
12:03:19 We'll be joined by the consultants on the Healthy or Together program. No action taken.
13:30:46 Not responding for some reason.
13:30:48 Okay.
13:30:52 Hey.
13:30:55 Hmm.
13:31:01 There you go.
13:31:02 So you hear us now?
13:31:04 Yes, we can hear you now. Excellent.
13:31:06 Oh good. Really, we had you turned off. We were just stalling for time until Commissioner Dean joined us, but now we can start.
13:31:11 Okay.
13:31:13 Kerry wants to make Great. Well, good afternoon, everyone. I will call this Board of County Commissioners meeting back into session.
13:31:25 We're going to hear a presentation about healthier together. We're joined by some folks online and in the room.
13:31:32 So I'll pass it off to Kerry Height to take care of introductions and and tee this this presentation up.
13:31:36 Great. Thank you so much, Council Member Brotherton. My name is Kerry Hayden. I am the director of Perch Strategy for the City of Port Townsend.
13:31:44 We've had a committee of people meeting since January and we've met every month since then. We've had a few open houses, 3 to be exact, and we have a lot of different comments
and a lot of different input into this process.
13:31:55 But really this process started as a means to rebuild our local community pool for for safety and for health and wellness for the community.
13:32:06 And so we've called it healthier together. We have everybody in the room here today. Is has been at the table.
13:32:12 It's been the city, the county, the hospital commission, the school district, the Y, Jack.
13:32:19 It's really been a pretty robust group that has been tackling this and taking this on and trying to come and bring it to fruition.
13:32:26 So with that, Jim and Erica from Opsis Architecture. They're out of Portland.
13:32:32 They're with us today as well to share the final presentation with us. This is just a briefing for the Board of Commissioners and and Kate Dean you've been very very active
on our committee so thank you so much Commissioner Dean.
13:32:47 It's great to have you join us today. And with that, I'd love to turn it over to Eric and Jim.
13:32:53 Great. Thank you so much for having us. We're excited to be here. And as Kerry mentioned, this is really about providing information and giving you a sense of our recommendation.
13:33:05 And we will be coming back towards the end of October for more of a conversation around support. Are you seeing the presentation now in front of you?
13:33:15 Yeah.
13:33:15 Okay. Alright, we will start moving through.
13:33:23 Sooning I can do that. There we go. Alright, so we're going to have a quick overview.
13:33:30 Kerry already set us up a bit for that and then walk through our site recommendations, our program recommendation, our concept design recommendation, and then funding and operations
recommendation as well as some next steps coming out of this.
13:33:44 So here you see the project calendar for the feasibility study. So you can see we are here at September and coming to the end of the feasibility study, but of course there's
continuing work that will move on past today in regards to this project and coming to the end of the feasibility study, but of course there's continuing work that will move on past
today in regards to this project.
13:34:03 So as Kerry mentioned, we had 3 great open houses with the community in March, May and July, and came and presented at your group on back in March and June.
13:34:12 So this is the third of our presentations to you. And we just issued our final report beginning of last week.
13:34:20 Erica, I also just wanted to mention we did have an open house out at the Chimcombe School District as well.
13:34:27 And
13:34:26 Yes, thank you so much. That's correct. We did. In April, I believe it was.
13:34:31 So we thought it would be nice to actually. So if anyone's looking at your packet, this was not in your packet from last week.
13:34:38 But we thought it would be helpful to kind of revisit just from a high level the overarching guiding principles that we were using during this study.
13:34:46 And so from a project vision perspective, it was really about looking at how we can, meet significant unmet needs for the community around health and wellness, replacing the
existing aniquated swimming pool.
13:35:00 We have a little bit more information on that. Towards the end of the presentation as well. Really integrating partner and community input, making sure that we're really creating
a welcoming place for everybody.
13:35:11 And then this really has sort of a legacy aspect of it for both the county and the city that it really represents the character of Jefferson County and builds on all those past
efforts.
13:35:22 And then also really focusing on it from a sustainability standpoint. And then also from a financial sustainability standpoint and making sure that we've developed realistic
budgets.
13:35:33 Based on today's construction costs as well as establishing a viable financial plan for the project moving forward.
13:35:41 So we thought we'd start with the site recommendation. A lot of this material you're probably familiar with from our prior presentations, but thought it'd be important to do
an overview of it.
13:35:53 I think as you're all aware we looked at 4 sites. They're all sites that are either, owned by the city or, for instance, Jefferson Health Care and through a fairly detailed
evaluation process, public input, we really ended up.
13:36:13 Wanting to work with the mountain view common site. We developed, with the steering committee, a variety of, evaluation criteria and then developed kind of a visual ranking
system of good, fair and poor.
13:36:32 And as you can see, the Mountain View Commons site really came out on top with all the alignment really of the green colors.
13:36:41 And so that's really the site that we're working with. This is a little more detail evaluation of pros and cons.
13:36:50 Significant amount of pros. Obviously an established recognizable site for, 4,000 and a broader community county in terms of the pools presence on the site, the social services
component.
13:37:08 Really has an opportunity to come and even more active campus. You know, some of the cons that are, can be dealt with or the impacts of the dog park, we realize that that's
an important amenity.
13:37:27 It would need to be relocated prior to the development of this site. And then also the fact that being on the its location being one that's already.
13:37:41 Acknowledged for aquatics. Really helps kind of support some of the South County participation.
13:37:49 And I think another major point here I should bring up is that one of the primary goals is with the pool to not close it down to keep it operational so you'll see as we go into
the design that the construction can be achieved without having impact on.
13:38:08 The existing facility and its operations.
13:38:13 You bet.
13:38:11 Hey, Jim, can I ask a question on that last slide? I'm not quite sure I understand what you mean by location support South County participation as a con.
13:38:23 He doesn't support South County participation, but yeah.
13:38:20 Yeah. It, well, it's a con in terms of the 4 sites that we, we looked at.
13:38:31 I probably framed it in a more positive light because it is. The site that's already acknowledged and accessed by.
13:38:38 Folks, in South County, but the 4 sites, there was, the, or Evans Vista and that's located more in the south into town which was kind of viewed as one of the more positive.
13:38:57 Gotcha. Okay. Thanks for the explanation.
13:38:54 Aspects of that site in terms of accessibility for self count. Sorry, I didn't explain that.
13:39:02 I will also say that in our county open house that we had the feedback that we got at that open house was you know for most people that difference between Evans Vista and Mountain
View Commons was negligible.
13:39:15 It didn't really impact whether people saw that as more towards South County or not. Folks were saying, you know, we come into the city anyway to be using it.
13:39:21 We're in that general area. So neither one is better or worse. Good point.
13:39:26 I think it's important to recognize as well that the bus there's a bus stop right there and so it's easy to access from people from the county.
13:39:32 Yes. Good mass transit.
13:39:35 We looked at some county sites and there's just not infrastructure in the county to be able to support a pool.
13:39:44 We also reached out to the community for their feedback and, and again, the the majority of of public input is really favorable for Mountain View Commons.
13:39:57 Which is, so we're moving forward with the, non, common side. Any, comments, from your side?
13:40:10 So I'll move on to, talking about the program.
13:40:16 Okay.
13:40:16 I love the numbers in the lower left hand corner design wise. So it's one note but no please continue.
13:40:24 We kind of missed that comment.
13:40:26 It wasn't important. Sorry, please continue.
13:40:28 Okay. Okay, so, quite a bit of discussion about the program. What's the kind of base, highest priority program and it really came down to the aquatics piece of this.
13:40:45 And that includes both. At 25 yard pull 6 lanes what you have now is and is less than that Really that for a competition pull lap pull that's sort of your baseline size and
it can serve swim, meets, it serves the high school.
13:41:06 Can have high school practices to have dedicated lane or 2 for public swim. Another key part of this that doesn't exist now is having a warm water recreation pool that really
serves all ages.
13:41:20 It's great for swim lessons, can be used, for therapy, with the warm water and especially with the lazy river, you the warm water and especially with the lazy river, you can
walk against the current, which can be a really good form of resistance, the lazy rivers kind of highlighted here because that was really feedback that came out of a number of our public
13:41:45 outreach meetings. If we're gonna have that warm water pool feature let's make sure there's enough amenities built into it.
13:41:55 And then of course, some of the other elements smaller in size, but still significant as having a whirlpool in a dry sauna.
13:42:04 Another program element is the wellness room. It's a flexible 800 square foot room that you can use for yoga and hunchy some smaller group exercise the classes tend to be about
20 people or smaller.
13:42:20 So that sized room can be used for so many different functions. That's also a partnership opportunity with Jefferson Healthcare as you may remember previously there was even
discussion about having a physical therapy pretty good sized program at this site so that's kind of been kind of re-evaluated to stay.
13:42:46 On the hospital campus, but they are very interested in supporting and having a presence with this well in this room.
13:42:55 And then of course some of the other smaller, but important elements too are having a birthday party multi-purpose meeting room can be used for child watch as well.
13:43:04 It's revenue generating having a welcoming lobby that's appropriately sized. So there's that sense of living room.
13:43:13 Aspect of the community where people come together to meet and then of course the administration to support this. A variety of changing rooms.
13:43:24 Call them universal changing rooms. Where they're, they're sized for those who have special needs or just more gender inclusive, creating environments that are more conducive
to a diversity of population.
13:43:40 As well as having still some of the more binary locker rooms. There's some real advantages to those as well.
13:43:47 So we're at this time, programming kind of an appropriate mix. And of course, there's all the support and utility.
13:43:57 Storage areas And then I wanna mention there's also a desire to expand the pickleball courts.
13:44:05 There's 3 currently and we're looking at additional 3 courts to support the pickleball club.
13:44:11 That's our base program. Yeah, then, there's also additional program that would be wonderful to include in the project.
13:44:23 That could be woven into the project. If funding allows or it could also be considered as the future expansion and those spaces are really a gymnasium, one pork gym.
13:44:37 By that I mean a full high school size corp and then that could be subdivided into 2 kind of middle school size courts and there be curtains that can be dropped down you could
divide this into just 2 courts or with more curtains you can divide it into 4 courts.
13:44:56 So there's lots of potential for this to be a really multi purpose gym. And then also, the idea of expanding with some more flexible space that could be used for at a larger
scale group exercise or might be able to support some cardio weight equipment to be determined but having more of the dry land exercise space in whatever format it evolves into was
viewed, whatever format it evolves into was viewed as an
13:45:32 important element to consider. And all of the dry land, exercise space in whatever format it evolves into was viewed as an important element to consider.
13:45:39 And all those start to impact to the cost recovery and operational costs of the building, note some of these.
13:45:41 Amenities like this can really help. Overall cost recovery.
13:45:47 And then there's some alternate site amenities. We acknowledge this site has tremendous potential.
13:45:55 It could really be the healthier together aquatic center in a park like setting in some of those park like amenities have been discussed as having a splash pad that would be
part of the park not where you have to pay to use it.
13:46:13 Also think about inclusive playground. That came up. It's also been the consideration to be located at the golf course.
13:46:23 So, we certainly would want to duplicate. That type of identity in both locations, but still having some outdoor play areas or expanded pickup all courts are are really important
even some outdoor type of performance space or event space to be really interesting as well.
13:46:45 Questions? Regarding the program.
13:46:52 Okay, yeah, I think the committee and the committee really did a great job kinda owning in on how to write size this project but still have an eye to the future and depending
on the fundraising capabilities.
13:47:07 And what you can gain, you can get it all at once or it could be realized. Over time.
13:47:13 So I'm going to go through the concept design recommendation. We've gone through a variety of options on the site and you know just starting this process.
13:47:25 This is a very significant project for, the peninsula and it feels like it's going to be important that it also takes on the expressive quality.
13:47:36 So what makes this your area so unique and the sense of community that this can build. Drawing upon some of the beautiful wood structures in the maritime traditions as well
as, you know, considering that, you know, we, Shimin come the dynamic kind of growing community that it represents.
13:48:02 So this really needs to draw outside of Port Townsend really feel like it's creating a place that's inclusive for all.
13:48:11 Just a close up of the side. It's, reminder, 3.9 acres.
13:48:16 And we're looking at obviously preserving the build that long white bar on this site plan to the kind of north end somewhat.
13:48:28 That's where police and the food bank is and clothing options for the needy and and it also indicates where the existing pool is in the lighter kind of yellowish color and that's
something that we want to work around and preserve enough parking during construction.
13:48:48 So the current facility can stay operational.
13:48:54 And so this is a little bit more detail on the site. I think the last time perhaps that we show this to you, the building was kind of pushed a little bit more towards the.
13:49:08 We're actually into the, into the recycler site and we decided to not assume that that site is available.
13:49:17 It may or may not be in some format, but we don't want the building to be. Based upon that premise.
13:49:26 Yeah, one of the really great things about this is it ends up creating kind of 2 zones of parking.
13:49:33 Obviously parking is really important, but the larger the contiguous parking lot is, the more visual impact it has.
13:49:42 So parking lot one is really thought about having a relationship directly to the food bank, the clothing exchange, parks and rack, having a larger parking lot that could be
parking lot too towards the kind of south end of the site.
13:49:58 And that's where we're considering the main entry to the building date. One of the nice aspects of this configuration before I was kind of a square shape footprint, this is
more rectangular and it's longer in the kind of.
13:50:15 Somewhat north, east west axes, which provides for better solar orientation.
13:50:23 We understand that. We don't have a true North South orientation in this plan, but it's still a more optimal solar orientation.
13:50:32 And the other thing it does is they nestles the building into the topography. The last round or the previous rendition had the building coming out of the earth.
13:50:45 And so I'm in, we had a sizeable retaining wall. We costed that out and that was the more expensive option of what we're proposing here.
13:50:54 This is a much more cost-effective way to think about dealing with the site. We're also in this plan indicating an additional 3 pickleball courts that are part of the base plan
as well.
13:51:08 And then you can see the dark outline of where the existing pool is and then the outline of the current gymnasium and so this plan starts to indicate how that area wants those
buildings.
13:51:24 Once the The new buildings built one would come back and build the parking expanded parking and perhaps start to create some other kind of lawn area or park communities.
13:51:36 This, provides a total of 96 additional parking or 96 stalls.
13:51:45 And then, this plane shows how, one can expand the facility in orange is the, gymnasium.
13:51:55 You kind of see the diagram of the gym floor. And then to the south end of that is a longer bar that fitness space that would add on to that square shape of wellness space.
13:52:09 And then, you know, there's a potential to, well, with this particular layout, the goal would be to expand the pickle ball courts more towards what is the existing gym to not
lose pickleball courts but we would need to reconfigure those 6 courts 4 of them could stay but we probably need to add an additional 2 so there's no loss to pick off all courts
13:52:39 in fact you know gain of several indoor pickleball courts with the gymnasium. And then this provides a total of a hundred 28 stalls.
13:52:49 You know, one of the nice things too is if at some point the recyclery were to relocate, that's prime real estate for potentially expanded parking.
13:52:59 If in fact there's a need for that or additional park amenities or dog park or perhaps some other, compatible type functions.
13:53:11 So let's see, now we're not gonna go into too much detail here. This basically just enlarges the floor plan to make it a little more, a little easier for you to kind of view,
the red area being that kind of child watch, part of the entry, the lobby, being configured in a way where you've got really nice views into the recreational pool.
13:53:36 And the 0 depth entry and then also having a face of the lobby looking up towards the south into a garden like environment.
13:53:47 And from when you walk into the lobby, there will be some comfortable furniture and you really got a good view of a lot of the activities that this this facility will offer.
13:53:57 You come around the corner, good kind of monitoring and supervision in the purple color with the reception desk and his You walk around the reception, you've got the lockers,
changing rooms.
13:54:08 And they open up directly next to the recreation pool. So that creates a really ideal layout where, especially families, in children, they're entering near the shadow water,
especially families, young children, they're entering near the shadow water.
13:54:27 Especially families, young children, they're entering near the shallow water. So we want it's kind of a safety issue within the lap pool located more towards the west end of
the navatorium.
13:54:34 And then we would also build in retractable bleachers that could store against a solid west facing wall as well.
13:54:44 And then this just, again, that showing how the building could be expanded.
13:54:54 I'll go through a few of these, threed views. This is kind of taken from the Southwest Aerial, looking back towards the building.
13:55:02 We actually think this layout is really nice as you approach your scene the kind of narrow end of the nanatorium so it presents kind of less wall area and a nicer scale. So
it presents kind of less wall area and a nicer scale.
13:55:16 That's again tucked into a hillside on the backside of that mandatory on the wall retaining wall come up about 8 feet.
13:55:24 Good exposure with daylighting we're suggesting here there would need to be a sunscreening element to filter that sunlight and then also thinking about the roof being this great
opportunity for solar collection that could be a combination of photovoltaic panels as well as solar hot water generation which should be ideal for lockers as well as the pool.
13:55:51 So really great sustainability opportunities here and also feeling like it's a building in a garden you can see the green space in front of the pool landscaping that you could
be looking out into.
13:56:03 And then creating a really nice sense of entry with a covered porch. Having accessible parking and drop off right near the front door.
13:56:13 A little bit more of a close up, from kind of the human perspective. Oh, please, question.
13:56:21 Oh, please.
13:56:13 Okay. Yes, question, Jen. Sorry. I had a question a couple of slides back, but that last slide brought it back.
13:56:29 Yes.
13:56:26 So where it shows more of the site where it shows the food bank and the There. Is that the existing building still?
13:56:33 It is the existing building. There is a portable building. Just to the kind of nestle right before you get to the, I guess the aquatics that would be removed and the thought
ears to perhaps.
13:56:50 Wipe out and create a nicer kind of promenade. It may have increased. Paving could have landscape and allay of trees and perhaps you know, as part of an outdoor event space.
13:57:03 There's also like I'm elaborating a little bit of where it says park where the existing gymnasium is.
13:57:11 There's quite a bit of great change there. So the idea of almost creating perhaps an amphitheater like quality where you could have some outdoor events or performances as well.
13:57:20 You know, the pickle ball courts generally where the pickle of our courts are now.
13:57:30 Okay, okay.
13:57:25 The so these 3 I'm gonna go back one these 3 are where the existing pickle ball courts are now so in this scenario we add 3 more adjacent to it with the addition we would end
up replacing to it.
13:57:38 With the addition, we would end up replacing most of those there.
13:57:34 Okay. Living. Yep. Okay, thanks.
13:57:40 I was just trying to. Ground truth what I was looking at.
13:57:44 Thanks.
13:57:45 Yes, was there any other question on?
13:57:49 Nope.
13:57:49 Okay, great. So yes, you know, this starts to give you a little bit of the flavor, the scale of the building.
13:57:58 With the good day lighting towards say more towards the southwest and then also looking at clear story windows on the back side of the building so you really do get some balanced
daylight in this and then you know really creating an inviting sense of entry which this starts to suggest here we get covered by parking, which this starts to suggest here, which this
starts to suggest here, which this starts to suggest here, we get covered by parking opportunities to celebrate local
13:58:24 art. Could be integrated into this whether it's sculpture or murals or other changing art to that really is part of the kind of quality of life and and association with this
area of the peninsula.
13:58:39 And this project would have a percent for arch. I'm looking at my city colleagues. Percent for art component.
13:58:49 Yeah.
13:58:50 That's hard. So I know that Kerry do you.
13:58:56 Yeah.
13:58:54 Always have a stick up for the answer to that. I was too. Oh yeah. We need, come on, sorry to do.
13:59:07 No.
13:59:05 Derail the flow but that's okay. I saw the I saw the photoshopped in art and I brought the question to mine.
13:59:12 Okay, thanks. Everybody thanks for the time here. I think the the simplest answer is it kind of depends because our current 1% for the Arc's policy is pretty prescriptive on
certain, specific uses.
13:59:25 Hmm.
13:59:30 Okay.
13:59:27 And so there are some capital projects that are not eligible, although we've heard from both council and the community there's an interest in changing that and looking at that
possibly this year so by the time something might occur here we might have a different policy but currently it's pretty restrictive so it might limit the total dollar spend.
13:59:49 And then this is a view of the lobby and it shows behind the welcome desk. There could be some art display there or monitor and frankly that could be changing art not necessarily
part of a permanent our collection.
14:00:05 We're also showing in that birthday party event space. They opportunity even do some graphics on the wall that can come from even a separate budget as well.
14:00:19 So the integration of Artistic expression can be handled a number of ways. As well as certainly through a percent for our and then indicating that there would be some comfortable
furniture to be determined or carpeted area.
14:00:35 Trying to find the balance of. You know, using common materials like a jetboard where we can and then exposing some of the perhaps, wood structure that we're considering the
building would be made out of probably more of a what's referred to as card decking a more traditional and common way to get a wood feel versus.
14:01:01 Cross laminated timber which is another option too but right now our estimates based on a more conventional approach.
14:01:10 To to doing some web framing that could be complemented with a steel structure which I think the next image starts to show of using steel columns and beams that make that long
span with less depth.
14:01:26 Of structure which also starts to reduce. The vertical height of the building and the exterior enclosure.
14:01:36 But you could start to see how this could be a really delightful space in terms of the balanced daylighting coming in from both sides.
14:01:43 This is a view from the lab pool. With bleacher seating probably in the foreground and then looking back towards the locker rooms.
14:01:53 And then this is a view from the southwest corner, looking back towards, where the, the birthday party room is also the, where we have this, the, sauna and whirlpool as well.
14:02:09 You can start to see the bleacher seating that would be retractable to maximize the deck area, but having that kind of push up against the solid wall and mitigate some of that
direct kind of low sunlight that might come in otherwise.
14:02:24 So. We feel pretty good about just the overall kind of character and, also, verifying this as being a very cost effective approach as well.
14:02:38 Okay. Any other? Yeah, any questions?
14:02:44 I know what an auditorium is now, so I'm.
14:02:46 Yeah. Alright, great. Then we're gonna jump into talking about funding and operations recommendations. So, we had cost estimates done for both the base plan and that full build
out.
14:03:01 And so you can see there that the total project costs include building site work which equates to building site work which equates to the construction costs include building
site work, which equates to the construction cost.
14:03:10 And then there's soft costs include building site work, which, equates to the construction cost.
14:03:13 And then there's soft cost there. And that soft cost isn't estimated about 33% right now.
14:03:15 And inside the building and site work those numbers also include design and construction contingencies escalation because we're assuming that the project won't, wouldn't start
construction until spring.
14:03:28 Of 2,025 so we've included that in that cost estimate and it also includes the general contractors markup.
14:03:36 And so for the base plan that all comes to 37.1 million and for the full bill that we're looking at, 45.9 million there.
14:03:45 And then in looking at the operations, one of the things we want to look at first is where do we think our primary and secondary service areas are?
14:03:55 Now these are not to say these are the only people who will use the space but we're trying to take a conservative view on who we think might so that we can understand cost recovery.
14:04:03 And so the area in red that you're seeing, which goes down to just about Chimacum on the peninsula there is the primary area and that's defined as people who will use the facility
once a week, something like that, using an extra for their exercise.
14:04:17 And then the secondary area is really for people who might come for an event or maybe bring their kids up and use the space on a weekend day but it's not a consistent habitual
thing for them.
14:04:31 I might add that one of the other criteria that can Ballard from our team to into consideration is the tourism, that comes, especially to the port town scenario and really this
end of the peninsula.
14:04:44 So that's also kind of built into the peninsula. So that's also kind of built into his considerations as well.
14:04:49 And so based on those 2 service areas and Ken's analysis of everything from utilities to pay rate and Ken's analysis of everything from utilities to pay rate from utilities
to pay rate, we develop the of everything from utilities to pay rate.
14:05:03 We develop the expense of running the facility and then the revenue that will likely be generated by it. And so you can see with the base plan, the expense is about 1.2 7 million
on an annual operating budget.
14:05:12 The revenue is expected to be at about. 0 point 8 4 million dollars, which means you would need a subsidy of about $430,000 a year.
14:05:21 And one thing to notice that currently the city of Port Townsend already is subsidizing the existing pool at about 400,000.
14:05:27 So we're right in that same ballpark. And so you see a cost recovery of 66% for the base plan.
14:05:32 Now as Jim was mentioning before, the additional amenities like the gymnasium or the multi purpose space tend to bring more folks into the facility.
14:05:43 And so you can see under the full build-out plan, it does cost more to run it on an annual basis.
14:05:48 About 2 million dollars. The revenue is 1.7 3 million and that would result in a subsidy of about $350,000, which is a cost recovery of about 83% and that's pretty standard
that the more the amenities that you provide the more cost recovery you get but of course there's more cost to build those amenities initially.
14:06:09 So this slide just sort of summarizes those pieces together where you can see the cost recovery along with the initial project costs associated with it.
14:06:18 Any questions on these?
14:06:21 Alright, so in looking at how to fund something like this, the steering committee really grappled with, between a PFD and an NPD.
14:06:32 And the PFD option was looking at a point 2% sales tax and a 2% lodging tax.
14:06:38 And with them I represent to and a citizen or a resident on an annual basis is somewhere in the 10 to $40 range.
14:06:50 Now that's not assuming, you know, that you might buy a car once every 15 years. Something like that.
14:06:54 So obviously that 10 to $40 is not covering a purchase like that, but just on an average basis for taxable goods.
14:07:01 Some of the advantages of that are that you really are getting tourist dollars to help pay for the facility and that's probably in the 20 to 25% range.
14:07:10 It only requires one vote. That is a simple majority, which is great. The disadvantages that it needs to be a county-wide vote, so folks all the way out on the coast will be
voting for this too and and they will likely be using it on a much less basis.
14:07:24 So let's lower basis than everybody else. And that the revenue can be variable based on the economy.
14:07:30 And so people aren't purchasing a lot of things, the revenue that it generates is lower.
14:07:35 As a safety net on that factor, in talking with Eco Northwest who did the financial analysis of this.
14:07:44 They said that the just doing the sales tax is probably enough to cover the annual operational costs of the building.
14:07:52 And that the lodging tax would actually serve as a little bit of a surplus there. It's kind of that safety net for if the economy isn't doing as well.
14:08:01 On the MPD option, it would be a property, property tax based. And the average annual cost.
14:08:07 A resident would be about 30 cents per $1,000 of property valuation. Some of the advantages of that, it does not require a full county vote.
14:08:17 We could decide or the steering committee could decide what those boundaries are of that vote, which would usually coincide with the service area.
14:08:25 The disadvantages are that it requires 2 votes to pass one to create the MPD and one to set the amount of the MPD and one of those would be required to be a super majority so
60% voting on that one.
14:08:39 Any questions on this information?
14:08:42 Yeah, can you go into a little bit more on the what the voting pathway would look like with the MPD?
14:08:48 So which one has to be the supermajority? We one seems like an up or down the other one seems like a quantity
14:08:57 I'm not sure I followed that last piece of question. The, the up or down versus the quantity.
14:09:02 Why can you go in more into more detail about the MPD option? Which vote would require a supermajority?
14:09:10 I believe the super majority is for the amount of the. So the creating of it is just a simple majority.
14:09:20 But the creation of it because it's asking for an amount, but the creation of it because it's asking for an amount above a certain specified.
14:09:26 Quantity and that requires a super majority to pass.
14:09:31 The law, the law allows you to bond 25% of valuation of property valuation, but in order to build the aquatic facility, we would need more than.
14:09:42 25% and so that is a, lev. And so that would be a super majority.
14:09:48 Thank you.
14:09:49 And maybe just to put some numbers on it at home assessed at $500,000 would pay a hundred $50 additional property tax.
14:10:03 The thing I think is, good to know is on the PFD option. It is a simple majority vote and that they don't have any bonding limits that limit us to 2 votes for an aquatic facility
but if you add that 2% a lodging tax that is an additional vote as well.
14:10:21 Yes.
14:10:21 But it can be on the same ballot as well. But it can be on the same ballot.
14:10:24 Thank you, Kerry. Thanks for that clarification. So from a funding recommendation after looking at this from all angles, the staring committee came to recommending a public
facilities district with the.
14:10:38 0 point 2% sales tax as well as the 2% lodging tax. And it should be noted that that lodging tax is really for facilities over 40 units.
14:10:47 There are really only 5 of those in the county and 2 of which are campsites and we're still looking for clarification as to whether the campsites qualify as.
14:10:55 Under that lodging tax or not. In addition to that, the steering committee has set a fundraising goal of 15 million, which would basically buy down the amount that they're trying
to raise through the PFD.
14:11:09 And so that is what is able to create make the PFD work with just the sales tax and the lodging tax.
14:11:16 And that 15 million in fundraising would come from 5 million in state grants, 5 million in federal grants and then 5 millions of philanthropy.
14:11:26 And then additional donations to the project. The school district is would be donating the land for the project and that's valued at approximately 2 to 3 million.
14:11:33 That would be on top of that 15 million, not included in that fundraising goal.
14:11:45 Okay.
14:11:39 May just qualification the school district likely would not donate the lamb, but they would likely lease it to the city for that or to the PFT for that.
14:11:48 Thank you.
14:11:48 But that's the value at the land to site a facility on it. Do we have a sense of the ratio that would come from point 2% sales tax versus 2% of lodging tax for those 5 properties.
14:12:01 Like what's the split? We don't, we're looking at that. We don't have that.
14:12:07 Those numbers, but we'll have them for you by the end of October.
14:12:10 And it is majority the sales tax. I do know that much.
14:12:15 Yeah.
14:12:17 So the next steps on the project just wanted to sort of round out the recommendations all on one.
14:12:24 So the Mountain View Commons for the site, the program being the base plan and then moving into the full build out if fundraising allows and we get more than that 15 million
we might be able to do full build out right away for the funding doing 15 million of fundraising with a PFD with point 2% sales tax, 2% lodging tax and then the timing of it would be
a PFD measure in
14:12:46 April of 2,024. So some of the next steps from today. Currently the city of Port Townsend is doing analysis of the existing facility.
14:12:57 During some of our last open houses, folks were asking about, you know, why can't we just renovate the existing building?
14:13:04 And so the city is doing an analysis of what that might look like. I think that's challenged a little bit by also the community desire to keep the pool open.
14:13:13 Throughout the construction of another facility or renovation of the existing and if the existing is under renovation that those are 2 are in competition with each other.
14:13:21 But that analysis should be complete by the end of the month. We will be doing a presentation to the Port Townsend City Council on October sixteenth.
14:13:31 Additional steering committee presentations will be happening through October. We'll be back at the end of October for County Commissioner presentation where we'll be looking
for support at that point in time.
14:13:43 Jeff Coaquatic Coalition is ready to launch the Capitol campaign and it will be ongoing.
14:13:50 There will be a geotechnical site analysis in January of 2024 and the goal there is to really understand what we're dealing with to make sure that the numbers that we're looking
at for cost are really understood.
14:14:02 So get rid of as many unknowns as possible. So that potential PFD measure would be in April and that would be time so that we could begin to submit for state and federal grant
requests which will start in May of 2,024 and make sure we're able to show community support for those in going after that additional fundraising.
14:14:24 Can I just emphasize, Erica, how important that piece is and really drives the timing, because of the state's biennial budget.
14:14:33 There's only, not one opportunity every 2 years to seek and up to 5 million dollars it could get for this project from the state and and how if we were able to pass a PFD that
would score our project much higher in those state grant funding cycles.
14:14:48 Yeah.
14:14:51 So it opens the opportunity for a lot more state funding.
14:14:53 Just a clarification, it's up to actually 10 million. For grant the grant request for that made period.
14:15:01 Right, great.
14:15:02 That's good. Okay. Any other questions?
14:15:07 I had one other facilities question I forgot to ask. I've heard a couple comments from the community about public access to the bathrooms and showers and I'm wondering where
you guys landed on that.
14:15:20 Whether it's behind the paywall of entry or not. That's a good question. Eric and Jim, do you want to cover that one?
14:15:26 Yeah, we, we've had quite a bit of discussion about that with the steering committee and considered locations on this side, I think ultimately.
14:15:34 It's, everyone recognizes the need. But it will probably the recommendation is to do a separate study on that.
14:15:45 To really understand why. Is the best location. It may not actually be on this site. It's sort of a convenient way to think about it and perhaps it lands back on this site but
it needs to be looked at holistically.
14:16:00 And to really understand what our other options, where would it go on this side? There are some logistics, with integrating it into this facility.
14:16:12 Just the, the timing of use and the interaction of various users. We've seen other facilities where those, types of public showers.
14:16:24 Restroom facilities are integrated usually separated from going into the building and so You said that's being located here or should it be located in the existing.
14:16:37 Social services wing building across the way so lots of questions and it felt like it was really great that that issue came up and I think we fully noted even in our final report.
14:16:53 But it deserves its own level of study to get get it right. And I think, If we're not, I'm not sure if Wendy is 0, not seeing the full, audience there, but I know that currently
the Y.M.C.A. runs a token process and that if they were running this facility there would be the potential to continue with that program.
14:17:21 Yeah.
14:16:58 We Yes. That is behind the pay wall, but it also is free. That's great. It, I mean, I've said this before, but it feels like if we're investing 27 to 40 million dollars in a
facility that we should be.
14:17:32 Taking care of as many parts of the community as we can. It's a real need in our community.
14:17:37 Right. So I just will put another PIN and the importance of that. Looking at that as you move forward.
14:17:44 Yeah.
14:17:45 I think we have talked to opposite about the design of it, but we haven't talked to Wendy yet about the operations of it.
14:17:53 And I think we would deal with that on an operational basis. Okay.
14:17:57 You know, another consideration to we want to bring up in terms of your thoughts is This is county wide.
14:18:05 Vote and should there be consideration for other many of these are improvements in the county. To go along with this facility as well.
14:18:17 So I'm going to kinda open that up for your thoughts on this.
14:18:24 I mean, community of quilting just this last year had a contentious vote about improving their own schools and voted that down too.
14:18:34 So I'm not sure if more amenities distributed throughout the rest of the company. Can I actually resonate?
14:18:33 Okay. Good. That's interesting. Yeah.
14:18:40 I mean, I've heard about I've heard the idea of putting some using this capital fundraising opportunity as a.
14:18:47 Time that we could consider adding an amenity to the HJ Carroll Park and I think that might.
14:18:57 Make it feel like the whole county who's going to be paying the sales tax is getting considered.
14:19:04 In the development of this facility.
14:19:08 Additionally, last week I met with Matt and Monty your Parks and Recreation staff just to have a primer with them about thinking about what would be helpful and valuable for
the county.
14:19:19 Cool. I, I mean, the financing is the big question, right? I think we're all, yeah, site location, very clear design, seems like a lot of good work going into that.
14:19:29 And when Kerry and I talked, you know, I I'm a little skeptical about the PFDs, you know, chance of success.
14:19:36 And I guess I'm wondering is it a binary question? I mean, you talk about a smaller NPD and 1%?
14:19:45 Hmm.
14:19:42 . And that's what I'm getting my acronyms wrong. The MPD in the county.
14:19:50 And we thought that the PFD in the county. We did talk about that as a steering committee and we thought that the PFD would probably be enough for the county.
14:19:56 It might be more. More advantageous to have one vote rather than 2 votes and it might be really difficult to get the 2 votes.
14:20:05 Yeah. Okay.
14:20:08 I don't know. I mean, you know, if you look at places like California that has a pool as an amenity and Port Ludlow, North Bay and, and, you know, Kid George.
14:20:20 You know, these are 3 areas that have pools that are likely not going to vote to pay for another pool.
14:20:23 And just the, you know, an MPD that was just inside the city. I'll just, I've already said this to you once I'll just say it again for the benefit of the whole committee who
are here.
14:20:35 It does feel to a lot of the county like it is at Port Townsend Pool. Now and in the future and I think Not recognizing that is going to really lower the chances of success.
14:20:45 So Port Townsend having a little bit more. You know, skin in the game is going to be advantageous to getting the PFT pass, I.
14:20:55 Yeah. I mean, you know, I don't mind putting it on the ballot for people to consider, you know, but at that point it's out of our hands and I just think that the perceptions
matter and often the rest of the county feels a little marginalized by services that are concentrated in port towns and reluctant to pay for those.
14:21:17 Yeah, come up to the microphone here.
14:21:21 The committee did talk about that in some detail as well and it may have not been super clear, but the the city subsidy would continue into the future.
14:21:31 So if a PFD is generating 2.1 million a year. There's an additional 400,000 paid for strictly by city voters.
14:21:38 The other piece that would probably be useful is really understanding the sales tax composition in Jefferson County. Specifically place of origin.
14:21:46 And there's probably some really helpful data and understanding that given the and obviously the county seat and the economic activity that occurs in the city limits itself.
14:21:56 There's a substantial sales tax generated. And then just maybe one last tidbit for comparison. You know, Jefferson Transit is at nine-tenths.
14:22:05 So 2 tenths gets you an aquatic center. You know, swimming safety, diving training, you know, kind of keeping everybody going a fraction of what it takes to run those gigantic
guilligs all over the county except except to call a point or the airport.
14:22:23 Right.
14:22:28 Great. Other questions right if there's any other thoughts from the committee, we'd love to hear him too, so.
14:22:33 So yeah. Yeah, yeah, we can just leave the chair there. I think that's probably reasonable.
14:22:40 Good afternoon. I'm Rich Childers. I'm the president of the Jeff Coaquatic Coalition and We have about 13 to 1,500 members that follow us in our contact list and obviously being
the aquatic side of this we're all in support and A couple of things is we, and I'm on the steering committee and we talked a lot about the timing of this and should we delay should
we
14:23:07 wait? Is this the right time? And we really kind of came to the conclusion that it's kind of an hour never.
14:23:13 And if we do bring this to the public and they say no, then okay, we did our due diligence and we move on.
14:23:20 A couple of other things I think we just pass over a little bit, but currently the Y is operating the facility now.
14:23:29 If you need assistance showers and so forth, you go there, you get a token, you get to use it for free.
14:23:37 We have not solidified as a committee or as a city on who's going to be the operator of this facility.
14:23:45 But if it is the why and we need to kind of make that decision soon because that will be part of our messaging out there because if it is a why.
14:23:54 This becomes much more than just an aquatic center. There's a lot of additional. Community benefits that go along with that.
14:24:02 The summer camps, the youth programs and so forth. So that's going to be part of our messaging from the Aquatics Coalition and we're ready to launch that positive campaign.
14:24:14 You haven't seen any of it in the community yet because we're not sure of the timing.
14:24:18 And it's going to depend on the decisions with the county. Commissioners in the city council, but we're ready to launch that.
14:24:26 Campaign as soon as the timing is right. But we also have to have that discussion. Will it be the why that's operating this?
14:24:35 And if so, here are the additional amenities that will serve the whole community beyond just the swimming community.
14:24:41 No, thank you. Thank you, Rich. Yeah, and Rich and I have had that this this this piece of the conversation separately and This is where I have a different soapbox and that's
having grown up here.
14:24:53 I've seen a roller skating rink, our bowling, all these things disappear. So what I really like about this project is that it gets back at providing something for people of
all ages in our community, including there are still young people and kids who live here.
14:25:06 I know a lot of them and I like that this. Gets at the parts of our community that. Aren't in the room here talking right now.
14:25:18 And I would just like to see us address the showers issue for people who need a shower and, you know, access to water.
14:25:25 And I mentioned it before, but growing up on a commercial fishing boat up and down the west coast of the United States.
14:25:31 Every we would pick which port we went to based on whether they had a pool or whether they had showers.
14:25:38 Yeah.
14:25:38 Often. I'm obviously the place to sell the the best the best fish buyer was also part of the consideration.
14:25:45 But if it had a good fish buyer and a good place to take showers and in some place where I as a kid could get off the boat and recreate it was, you know, more.
14:25:55 Attractive in my family. And so I would just say that, you know, it that piece of having an aquatic center here really is compelling to me.
14:26:04 That it will get at family needs in our community.
14:26:09 Yeah, come on.
14:26:12 That commissioner Eisenhower had me at disappear so I thought I'd say 2 things quickly aside from maybe riffing off maybe there's fish buyer and operational matters we can cover
at a new facility.
14:26:24 I wanted to be clear because I think the best time for a new aquatic facility is probably 30 years ago, which is when it turned 30.
14:26:34 I mean, it's about 60 now. And the second best is probably right now, at least one affordability point of view.
14:26:40 And I just wanted to be clear that if I don't want to scare people, but I think we should be pretty honest about the state of that.
14:26:47 It's in really rough shape. This is the third patch we just put on the roof for $100,000.
14:26:54 The Y has been operating in magnificently despite some incredible difficult mechanical problems we've had. So in terms of the community, this is really a, do we have a local
or regional aquatic center or to be not, you know, just put simply, can we afford it?
14:27:11 Can we not? If not, the current pool is very likely going to have to close within the next 5 years.
14:27:16 Just because we're hemorrhaging boilers, we're haemorrhaging equipment, the roof is literally something you can almost put your finger through.
14:27:25 So just wanted to make sure that was clear. And then while up here, I think it's just, maybe convenient to say this is sort of a better than the new guard here and only been
here for 4 years, but we've been trying to do this as a community for a long time and usually it fails because one or more groups for various reasons that are legitimate decide we can't
do this right now.
14:27:45 And we've gotten through how many months now, about a year or more during this current process where we're, we've all stayed together.
14:27:48 I think that should be, even if this doesn't work, I think it should be noted that every agency participating here in all the executive leadership and their staff in the county
and through Commissioner Dean has been glued to the table trying to work this out.
14:28:01 And I think that says a lot about our future, not just for an aquatic center, but just how we make decisions as a community in partnership.
14:28:05 Classy one question before you go, John? Just to the, I mean, and I don't mean this insulting, who would care if the pool closed?
14:28:14 That is what are the demographics of the pool closed? That is what are the demographics of the people that use the pool right now.
14:28:17 I mean, from throughout the county is really what I'm asking. So the people that use the pool right now.
14:28:24 I mean, from the throughout the county is really what I'm asking. I know I is cut her hand raised. Yeah, do you want to answer that one?
14:28:28 I mean, I think, you know, you could anecdotally say if you go to the pool, you see both a lot of younger people and a lot of older people, but that's just anecdotal.
14:28:32 We have numbers. We're getting better at pulling numbers. I don't know if Wendy can.
14:28:35 Plus one my general comment all right yeah we could also send user data to you directly if that's helpful so you have a.
14:28:45 And I'm really asking like are they district 1, 2 or 3 people? That's really my question. Yeah, yeah, I think Wendy's good at explaining that.
14:28:48 Thanks. Actually can give you a heat map that shows you where people are. So I'll get that to you.
14:28:58 And I'm gonna piggyback on what John had said. And I know, I mean, we're talking about the pool replacement.
14:29:02 I think everybody understands how important it is to replace the pool. But one thing that stood out for me.
14:29:07 We've reinstituted some community swims, so great. We had one in December. We had all these families come.
14:29:14 It was amazing. There were 50 kids that came and as part of our safety protocol we have everyone do a swim test if they can't pass the swim test they need to stay either in
the shallow area or have a life vest.
14:29:28 Of the 50 kids that came. Not a single child could pass the swim test. Not a single one, which is just swimming length of the pool.
14:29:39 And that to me was the exclamation mark on how important it is to make sure we have a pool in our community because that is an outcome of 2 years of not having so many lessons
available.
14:29:53 And when you look at that service area map, and you look at our community, we are surrounded by water.
14:30:01 This community is based on water. And we have to teach our kids how to be safe around water. We have to teach our kids how to swim.
14:30:08 So if there's anything that would just Again, kind of put that emphasis on how important it is.
14:30:15 We need a pool for our community and more than anything we need to pull for our kids. So I also know if you asked any of the people and there's people from Cala Point who come
to the Y to the Cool.
14:30:31 To Mountain View, they will tell you that 2 years of not having access to that pool, they they lost mobility.
14:30:36 Directly impacted their health and so it really is an important asset for this community but we're surrounded by water our kids need to know how to be safer on water and they
need to know how to swim.
14:30:49 So. Thanks Wendy. I'm reading the covenant of water right now. It was about 3 generations ago.
14:30:56 Okay, did you want to? Yeah. I thought you were trying to speak or you're just trying to leave.
14:30:59 I can let you leave. I thought you were trying to leave. I can let you leave. I do have to head to my next meeting, but Linda wasn't very superintendent of the Port Townsend
School, but Linda, I do have to head to my next meeting, but Linda wasn't very superintendent of the Port Townsend School District.
14:31:12 And you asked about district 1, 2, or 3. So I can only speak more about district one, but we know that all of our third graders love going to learn how to swim@theymca. and
our swimming team with Chimicum, also the East Jefferson Rival Girl swimming team, loves the pool.
14:31:20 And when we host summer programs, we had one last year without the Y.M.C.A. swim lessons and families noticed and family said, can we get this the pool?
14:31:27 So looking at that design for the lazy river and the child watch area. I just think this facility would support families and support healthy alternatives for our young adults
in our school system that really after the pandemic need healthier community-based outlets for all of the excitement within them.
14:31:46 Thank you. Thanks, Linda.
14:31:50 Okay. And I hope it doesn't come across as if I'm not supporting the idea. I just, I want to get a successful financing option for this immunity that we all agree would be.
14:32:01 Is critical for the, you know, coming decades in Jefferson County. Alright, I don't know, Kate, did you have anything you wanted to share?
14:32:08 Well, I feel like I've been kind of, carrying this water and message to my fellow commissioners for the last year and so it's actually really nice to have some other voices
be be amplifying those messages.
14:32:23 And, you know, I think it's going to be a challenge to get the community behind this to the extent that we need for many of the reasons that.
14:32:32 Both Heidi and Greg have mentioned. But, you know, I think we've really done what we can to try and make this affordable.
14:32:40 And I think the PFD is a great option, you know, that 10 to $40 per person.
14:32:45 Like that's not a, it's not a huge burden. And I know for some folks it does feel that way.
14:32:49 We are at a breaking point for many, many families here. I get it. But I think we've done as good a job as we can at recognizing the limitations of this community and trying
to address them.
14:33:03 And I think the PFD is kind of uniquely able to defray some of those costs or push it to to to visitors to the area and that is a big benefit to where we get to you know kind
of recoup some of the you know, we our quality of life is impacted by increasingly being a tourist community.
14:33:26 And so if we can find some benefit from that through the PFD, I think it's a great option.
14:33:32 So I am proud of the work that this group has done and ultimately it will be up to the visitors to decide if we want this amenity.
14:33:42 And, you know, I think the challenge is that Well, frankly, that you know a lot of people feel that this is an extra and the thing is it's not most you know so many communities
have an aquatic center and it's like John said it's too bad that this wasn't done 30 years ago, but we're not talking about, you know, something outrageously out of scale for this
14:34:04 community. A lot of communities this size have them and you know, we're just trying to kind of catch up on some more, some, some deferred investment in our community that frankly
drives families away too when when we don't make these investments.
14:34:19 So I hope that we're able to get that message out to our community. So I hope that we're able to get that message out to our community and pull this off but it will be up to
the voters to decide ultimately should we decide to put it on the ballot.
14:34:28 Thanks. I guess what if one of the PSD passes and one doesn't? I mean, what is the financial outlook if we are halfway successful with that option?
14:34:38 Yeah, you can. Well, the PFD will support the pool. So one passes that it will support the pool.
14:34:47 We just wanted a little wiggle room in. Oh right. You said the sack the the lodging tax really was kind of the the lodging tax really was kind of the gravy.
14:34:54 And what about if, you know, the 15 million dollars and, you know, grants and philanthropy and everything.
14:35:02 We're hoping to be successful if we're not or probably gonna roll up our sleeves a little bit more.
14:35:07 We're probably going to roll up our sleeves a little bit more and maybe the MVD.
14:35:07 Well, we'll come up with a plan B if that happens, but. And do you, I mean, I think it was Rich talked about timing.
14:35:14 Do you know what other? Tax measures are going to be on the balance coming up. Currently, I don't know of any other PFD.
14:35:23 I do know the school district is set to go out in 2025 for property tax for bond for some things that they're doing.
14:35:35 I just heard this morning that we're looking at 26 or 27 later on for the Jefferson Community Library and at this point. 6 or 27?
14:35:41 Okay, that's good. This this fall though, right? Transport TFD, what is called?
14:35:49 TBD TB. On November, TBD, is that really what it is? Yeah.
14:35:53 Yeah.
14:35:57 Okay. And that's, that's a sales tax as well. Yeah. And then Jeff Calm might be looking, but probably not before April.
14:36:05 They're not. Okay. Yeah. I'm glad to lie.
14:36:07 Worth noting the transportation benefit district is for Port Townsend city only. Not Kenny Wide.
14:36:13 Right. Yeah. Okay. And in order to run an April special election, it does cost some money.
14:36:22 And so we would have to talk about how we're gonna pay for that as a group. Cost like 80 grand.
14:36:27 Yeah. 6 months. Yeah. If it doesn't, if we go.
14:36:32 Doesn't pass are we? Do we have a plan B? We're working on it, not right now.
14:36:39 Okay. Great. Well, I know you're not looking for action or answers or anything today, but really appreciate the chance to dig in.
14:36:48 I guess I want to give anyone else here a chance to speak. Oh yeah, go ahead Kate.
14:36:52 Just wondering if Mike Glenn would like to chime in.
14:36:58 I really don't have anything to add. I've, enjoyed being part of the process.
14:37:04 I think it was a very deliberate approach to certainly an important community humanity but also a challenging puzzle to put together.
14:37:20 So, I'm, I'm pleased with where we landed and, look forward to, continuing to push on this.
14:37:30 Thanks, Mike. Aaron, if we do a water walk, would that be on the ballot at some point?
14:37:34 No.
14:37:38 So they're gonna pay for that. I mean, I've gotten away from calling you a seawall.
14:37:45 Alright, any other questions? Hey, well, we're all supporters, so it's good work that's that's up to this point and I think the The hardest road is yet to come.
14:37:59 But yeah, we'll be doing a lot of the steering committee presentations this month and we'll be back to the county.
14:38:04 Commission at the end of October. Hey, you know, let us know how all of us can help.
14:38:08 You know, in a case kind of bird dogging and doing a great job representing us there, but.
14:38:12 You know, before it's on the ballot if you want to help get the word out in other areas.
14:38:17 I think I do and I can be. Places in our districts and you want one of us to come let us know.
14:38:25 Yeah, a whole lot of pitchforks outside for you. Yeah.
14:38:27 Yeah.
14:38:27 I do think we need to, drill down on this question of, you know, what could we look at for investments in the county as well?
14:38:50 Okay.
14:38:39 For the TBD to contribute to and you know, it gets a little complicated because does the TBD need to own the infrastructure, for example, you know, there's some other questions
that arise, but I think let's keep working on that, Kerry, so we don't lose sight of that and that's going to be an important point as we go if we go county wide with
14:39:02 this.
14:39:02 Right. Definitely will do some work on that. Okay, well thank you all so much for making time today and for the past year and a half working this through.
14:39:13 Thank you, Jim and Erica. I appreciate the presentation.
14:39:14 You're welcome. Thank you so much. Bye bye. Okay.
14:39:17 Thanks. Have a great day. Thanks, Gary. Back to our regularly scheduled programming, as this was part of our regularly scheduled program.
14:39:28 See what's next on the agenda. Morning. Oh, yes.
14:39:36 Right on. I was also wondering, Kate and Heidi, if you were inclined to go into another executive session to talked through what we've done so far in county administrator review.
14:39:53 Have you guys had any of the interviews yet? About all of mine. Me too.
14:39:58 Oh my gosh, not me. But I have some on the books.
14:40:01 Yes. Okay. Would you guys mind spending a little time there to see how we're doing?
14:40:09 Sure. I'd love to get out of here early too to go. Eat some food before I before the gardener meeting.
14:40:23 Yep. So board board and committee vacancies. Where's our list?
14:40:36 You said adjourned by 30'clock. But we could. Maybe we could just, why don't we plan next week having the executive session?
14:40:48 I think Caroline's hoping to get us out of here at 3, so by 3. So we're running right up to that right now.
14:40:52 That'd be great and I'll have more to report then.
14:40:55 Okay, great. And, I might also have Sarah send out the scoring because I think we're supposed to do this in October.
14:41:03 So at the next meeting is kind of timely to start going through the scoring rubric as well. It would be the same as today to about you as an employee, but we are in the evaluation
process on the County Administrator.
14:41:18 So, so just to that.
14:41:25 I mean, had nothing, I'm saying it would be the same, OPMA rationale.
14:41:31 It's completely different or the same RCW, but completely different actual thing. So we'll do that next week and boards and committees.
14:41:43 It works. I think working now.
14:41:39 It's not a hot hot today. I still am going to do the Oh, oh, maybe I'm I'm sorry, I'm on the, I was on the,
14:41:52 PDF that I got out of before and see how we're doing. Sounds like a good work has been done on the planning commission vacancies.
14:42:07 Let's see, Marine Resources working through it. I'm on the ID that we're meeting with the.
14:42:14 . DA.
14:42:17 B tomorrow and I'll see what kind of vacancies we have. Noxious lead. I keep meaning just to do it myself.
14:42:25 I've tried a bunch of different people for the district 4 one. You know, farmers are all too busy. That's the thing.
14:42:34 I don't want to go sit in a meeting. But those are both myers. Maybe when we're on the west end.
14:42:40 We can, because District 5, I think, goes all the way to the West End.
14:42:45 No, District 4 goes all the way to the West End.
14:42:48 The O 3 A. Got a board member. I think Carolyn was successful in getting one.
14:42:59 Got that number updated.
14:43:04 I think housing authority actually Probably has a vacancy. Since my dad moved. We don't normally help them get them but Often there is a.
14:43:17 Dearth of Jefferson County representatives so they end up very Colin County focused.
14:43:24 And the piff. Oh, you need a district 3. It's all on me. It's all right.
14:43:30 Yeah, Greg, it's all on you. Yeah. Or count on you, Greg. All right, I'm gonna do it.
14:43:35 I'm gonna. Conservation futures. She's working on. I was frustrated to hear, Okay.
14:43:52 Alright, well that is that. I don't think I talked about my calendar. I'll take you through it real quick.
14:43:57 Did I? I don't think I did.
14:44:00 Tomorrow it's exit interviews with O 3 a for the audit of. . 3 A as well as the the federal audit and the both there's exit conference for the, for the county's audit as well.
14:44:18 And having a community conversations. Community Conversation Committee meeting of the Housing Fund Board. To talk about Glencoe from the housing perspective, independent of
recompete and seeing if we want to facilitate a conversation.
14:44:34 With the the community about that that opportunity at housing opportunity. But, and then meeting with, Judy to Figure out how much money we have for the housing fund board.
14:44:50 That's a something that if you recall at the last meeting was not clear. And then we have the.
14:44:56 Ideab, meaning I do not like that I cannot say it. Then on Wednesday budget meeting and then.
14:45:06 Commissioner Tooper reached out about the Brennan sewers so Amanda Christopherson and Josh Peters and I are gonna go meet with Kevin Street and Commissioner Tooper about the
Brendan Sewer, I think.
14:45:21 I don't know. He seemed, concerned that they might just try to start up and LUD and then they would have to deal with it.
14:45:30 So they're pretty motivated to come up with what is the possible plan? And the housing fund board.
14:45:36 First day of school, I already did all my homework. Oh my god. Uber achiever is one page.
14:45:46 Then Jeff Calm on Thursday will be looking at our budget. Should we need to approve our budget? And then I'll be joining at the boatyard barbecue.
14:45:55 I won't be talking, I'll just be eating and enjoying the maritime life. Meaning with a constituent down in quill scene on Friday and then the recompete task force.
14:46:08 We're also trying to schedule another recompete meeting before that. And in between these meetings, I'll be doing a lot of sending out letters.
14:46:15 Getting letters of support. Thanks to John Morrow, he already drafted one for the ICG.
14:46:20 Is great. And then on Saturday, will be joining Tammy down in Brennan for the Dosi Wallops River Collaborative at the Brndan Community Center and I think goes there's a little
River Walk at the lazy sea as part of that as well.
14:46:33 So looking forward to that. I think she's finally getting community engagement, maybe not the kind of, engagement she wants, but at least they're there.
14:46:42 And that's, of course I'm joining you tonight for the gardener. Community conversations.
14:46:48 So that is my week.
14:46:50 No conflicts and oh red Kate's doing the radio this week. How much farther do we have that scheduled?
14:46:57 I think in the next 2 weeks actually.
14:47:00 Yeah, I don't think I have another week. Let's just open that real quick.
14:47:07 September.
14:47:14 Oh, I have one on October. Oh, I was, I have one in October, but I already did recompete with Cindy, so I'll do something else.
14:47:26 And then.
14:47:28 Yeah, Kate, EV Chargers and then elections, then Greg, and Kate, clinical services maybe, and then Heidi talking til.
14:47:37 Hmm.
14:47:49 What are you doing this week?
14:47:39 I had to switch some things around. So though I don't think those topics and dates aren't quite lined up, but let's see.
14:47:54 I wanna make sure I'm getting it right. This week is. A climate action including EV Chargers.
14:48:01 And then the sixth, I'm quite sure is the school health clinics.
14:48:10 With Susan?
14:48:11 And so. Yep, yep, and Melinda. And then, Quinn and I are still trying to get a date firmed up, but so we can sign me up for another.
14:48:23 Are you choosing songs for your radio programs, Kate?
14:48:26 Oh, thank you for the reminder. I did ask Cindy Jane for one for this week, but I don't know if she got back to me.
14:48:32 So thanks for the reminder.
14:48:33 Yeah.
14:48:37 Nice. Susan Brian, oh and Melinda. Powers. Alright, I guess I should think of what I'm gonna do on the thirteenth.
14:48:48 You guys are so good about thinking ahead of these. That is look at my calendar. See what's yeah hot topics.
14:48:55 Hot topics.
14:48:58 Sounds thinking about it more. I should save that.
14:49:03 As always, it's in my P drive if you want to see it. Okay, anything else?
14:49:08 For the good of the order.
14:49:14 Nope. Nope. All right. Well, we'll see everyone next while we'll see you.
14:49:21 At least briefly tonight, Kate, and see everyone else tonight and back here next Monday. And with that, I will adjourn this meeting of the county, the county commissioners.