HomeMy WebLinkAboutclosed_caption17:29:31 Yeah, Cool.
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17:30:04 Your opinion.
17:30:08 Okay.
17:30:12 Yes. Okay. Okay. 20%.
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17:30:27 Yeah.
17:30:31 Andy.
17:30:38 Okay.
17:30:45 But are you waiting? Oh, Do you have a grand baby? Yeah. It's listed with the status.
17:31:05 Yeah, yeah. Oh my god. What on turn is that? Yeah, he just says straight here about that.
17:31:36 I'll call the order the October fourth meeting of the Jersey County Planning Commission. I'll start with, from Kevin.
17:31:37 Kevin Cohen.
17:31:42 Emily? If you're well here by Nelson, sir. There's the world here.
17:31:54 Good. I see. Now are you online? There's more people.
17:32:06 Okay, There's a tool of the agenda. And I actually have an agenda. We neglected put on discussion the letter regarding DCD budget for the Planning Commission.
17:32:19 The and that will be discussed in either 9 later on. You also notice that the, yeah, is a little bit, turned around, we'll make some business actually, in the head was the the
other dominance.
17:32:35 And we have some minutes. Problem.
17:32:39 September sixth. Go through. Cynthia, I second and Kevin second. Any discussions?
17:32:53 Yeah. In favor. Raise your hand.
17:32:57 It's approved. In those minutes, they are beautiful. Thank you very much. That was you. Those were amazing.
17:33:17 They weren't too much, but they have a lot of sort of, they have a lot of sort of, they have all this largely, yeah, been here for years.
17:33:20 That was probably about the best I find. That's what I think. I'm just saying they struggled to get them much less concise and timely and probably. I didn't keep it up.
17:33:28 But keep me around. Well, that's a good job. Our next agenda, our public comments.
17:33:34 This is a, is an extra public comment, for comments that are not related to me. To the Thank you.
17:33:47 If anybody have any comments, that are under the agenda items today.
17:33:52 But you online? So I'll post that will become in period. While we have consent today, we have, several times the consent agenda.
17:34:08 Many notes regarding, just got to be discussion about shoreline playing. Competitive grants. Another one was a meeting.
17:34:19 Regarding outreach and blood, floodplain is guidance. And the third was about that being.
17:34:26 Hey, joint meeting could be of October sixth. Between. Bird, pre improved stock plans of.
17:34:34 Port Townsend, Against and County. Involved. I read it a couple times.
17:34:48 We did get a separate email about them. Are you talking about me Friday? Yes. We did get a separate email with a zoom link and then we did get a separate email with a zoom link
and an address.
17:35:00 It's been a separate email with a Zoom link and an address. It's in the Board of County Commissioners Chambers.
17:35:01 From 10 to one and then there's also zoom link on the agenda. And question, if additional count, commission members go to that.
17:35:10 It can step to be considered a.
17:35:17 Commissioners, so can they sit and we as commissioner sit in the audience without participation? I think so.
17:35:25 I mean, I know what the spirit of the rule is. And if you're not doing any commission business, it's a joint committee meeting between Karen and city.
17:35:34 So stock plans that you talk about. Yes. Yeah, I mean, I think you participate here. Just keep it in mind, you know.
17:35:41 We're not gonna be taking any votes, not gonna be taking any action. Okay, thank you.
17:35:46 No, since Friday from Well, I will move to the person. Receive the consent agenda. I didn't want to say something about it.
17:36:07 I don't think about it. If I could. Okay, just that, I sent an email to staff saying I always want to know if the planning commission is having meetings and we had a district
3 meeting apparently before and and then this one came up like I think we got noticed that the same day and I always want to know.
17:36:30 There's a plan commission meeting and really anything that is related to the planning commission. I think we should be notified along with the public.
17:36:37 Always. I know that it's, it makes better conversation with the public if we know what's going on at least as much as they do.
17:36:49 And also, it's embarrassing when the public comes up and says, hey, you're having meeting.
17:36:53 And I'm like, Are we? No. Are we? Okay.
17:37:03 So we have a motion second to receive the consent agenda. Well, I favor radio.
17:37:12 The
17:37:20 We're trying to get It's the second group we're asking for people who wouldn't have given them that, or they base our hand. Sure.
17:37:30 I was gave everybody 7.
17:37:34 And.
17:37:43 Yeah, I'm 6. Of the agenda. Presentation for both amendments.
17:37:58 Josh, is that you? Yeah, thanks, Mr. Chair. And we're gonna get, Lisa, I consulted from Berg, associates of soon here and ready to go with a short presentation just to catch
you.
17:38:13 Up on what's happened since the last time we discussed this topic. Just get ready for the hearing.
17:38:17 And while Alex is, helping, needs to get the, I did want to say that we opened up a public comment period on September, the twentieth and we've received.
17:38:28 It's a date actually 18. It was 17 when I left the office. 17 comments.
17:38:33 Totally, 234 pages. And 32Â MB as a PDF file.
17:38:38 So all that is uploaded into laser feature in this in today's planet commission meeting folder for access to the public and planning commissioners.
17:38:49 I can't email something like that file that they out. I had the right idea. I guess it let's compile all the comments in one file so easy to manage.
17:38:57 Of course, that it just got kind of unwieldy. A lot of that attachments of course, you know, it's not like someone typed a novel about it.
17:39:02 It's more of just a lot of older correspondence to be part of the record and other corroborating information.
17:39:09 There was an eighteenth comment that came in and if we get any other written comments before the close of the hearing tonight, then we'll add those to this PDF and update the
file.
17:39:17 That's in a major piece. So you've got the complete record. Or, start the, which is anticipated for the next meeting.
17:39:27 The regulators get regularly scheduled meeting and thank commission on Wednesday, October eighteenth at 5 30 here.
17:39:34 Are we ready with Lisa?
17:39:40 Hopefully you can see the screen.
17:39:43 Yes.
17:39:44 Okay, great. Good evening, planning commissioners. I'm Lisa Greer. I'm a principal with her consulting and as As mentioned, I'll just share a few slides.
17:39:57 The purpose of the shoreline master program periodic update is to respond to the requirements in the Sharline Management Act.
17:40:07 And to ensure the SMP Charlotte master program is kept up to date with any changes in law since 2,014.
17:40:15 And trying to identify other potential changes based on changing local circumstances. And then the county wanted to.
17:40:27 Put the lens of regulatory reform on the SNP to eliminate redundancies and improve clarity.
17:40:34 While also considering the constraints of resources and law. This slide is just showing a portion of our timeline.
17:40:46 It goes from left to right, starting on the top line. The county in starting the process adopted a public participation program and also formed a task force to help the county
identify changes to local circumstances or local issues.
17:41:05 That should be addressed with the SMP periodic update. Those recommendations for topics to address were given to the planning commission and the planning commission did its
work.
17:41:18 And came up with recommendations in the fall of 20 October first, 2,021 or something close to that.
17:41:26 And, and then, The county, received the ecology comments about a year later.
17:41:35 In September, 2022. Then the county secured a grant to help. Produce some responses to comments and changes and a shoreline users guide.
17:42:02 Okay.
17:41:49 And the consultant team came back on board to help with that, April through June. The planning commission hosted an open house and there was a survey and interviews with shoreline
parameters to help inform the effort.
17:42:06 And then the Planning Commission took some time to consider the ecology comments and the June open house. And identified some key topics for discussion.
17:42:17 And that formed the basis for the consultant team and DCD staff to put together the hearing draft that is before you tonight.
17:42:28 So the components of the update include the revised shoreline master program to address required and recommended changes. The Department of Ecology also requested an addendum
to the county's original cumulative impacts analysis to cover some of the activities.
17:42:48 And proposed changes in the SMP. They also, have us complete a periodic.
17:42:56 Checklist with major drafts and then the county issued an updated CPA determination and SEPA checklist.
17:43:07 Some of the key issues that we've addressed based on this process I outlined include the changes to the buffer modification section regarding modest homes.
17:43:21 The common line home and there's a couple of options in your staff memo. Regarding that, affirming the buffer reduction process does apply to non-residential uses as well as
residential and trying to align it better with the critical areas ordinance approach.
17:43:42 And then addressing buffers, crossing roads, and the counties process to determine when functions are. Indeed going crossroads or not some comments were received, and, and in
response to the periodic update requirements we addressed aquaculture as well as mooring buoys and marinas.
17:44:05 And then the staff had suggested and the task force agreed that we should include some. Staff interpretations that have come up into the SMP and that happened but we realized
it needed to be addressed in the use matrix as well for stormwater facilities.
17:44:26 So that brings us to our next steps, Josh did outline them up front, but generally the hearing is happening in October and we anticipate the planning commission completing.
17:44:40 Recommendations as appropriate by the end of October. Early November and then the county board of commissioners picking it up in November and completing their review in December
that would then send the shoreline master program back to the department if ecology who would then hold their own comment period.
17:45:06 And they have approval authority on accepting the county proposed changes. So, Chair, that is what we have for our presentation.
17:45:18 This evening.
17:45:21 Thank you. I think we can we can go ahead and move into the. Hearing. Well, then I have formal script, which I will read.
17:45:33 The public hearing is not open regarding draft amendments. It's all from the periodic review of the county's shoreline master program under RCW.
17:45:45 19.58 point 080 sub 4. These are legislative proceedings. In our findings, the recommendations for the Jefferson County Board of Commissioners.
17:45:56 The clinic in vision follows strict and procedural requirements. But my commission will consider all timely testimony and evidence for or against proposal.
17:46:06 We have already had, we already had a presentation, of, both of us from Berkeley.
17:46:12 Bye. This will be, this is now, followed by a public testimony. Written and oral testimony would be accepted tonight.
17:46:21 We will begin for, for delivery, however, at the next meeting.
17:46:25 Good comment, for the red comment, will close at the closing of this hearing. When I say the hearing is not closed, written comments need to be up there.
17:46:35 If you have any.
17:46:39 If you wish to speak tonight. Please indicate, to me by raising your hand if, If raising your hand, you're gonna join the meeting remotely or if you origin the system.
17:46:53 P are always possibly. You need, let me read this carefully. If you wish to speak to me, please indicate to the chair by raising.
17:47:02 Your hand if join the meeting remotely. Or you'll be called to con upon according to the sign in sheet, located to the room.
17:47:11 There we go.
17:47:13 The floor is not over the public. The Planning Commission will hear public accessibility support or opposition to the proposed Scholatmaster program, anonymous.
17:47:22 The PIECE, will receive test for this evening or will not respond at this time. The most useful comments are specific to the proposal and focus on the issues.
17:47:33 Common currency is expected from all participants. Personal attacks and derogatory language will not be tolerated.
17:47:40 No clapping, Indication of agreement or opposition is allowed. The testimony is being recorded. They're from when you speak, again, by clearly stating your name and address.
17:47:55 Each person will be allowed to speak for up to 3Â min. You cannot yield your remain time to know the speaker.
17:48:02 Again, each speaker is a lot of 3Â min. I'm going to alternate between. Here in the room and speakers who are online.
17:48:11 I'll start with those in the room. One or 2 here. But, Yes, I have Okay, I'll do is I'll read.
17:48:28 I'll take the platform list. And then I'll, Here from the computer and then I will have again, both online and here.
17:48:39 That way. Alex. People. Yeah, and you are?
17:48:56 I'm Neil Harrington. Okay.
17:49:12 Alright, good evening. I'm Neil Harrington. I'm in a marble biologist. The James, S.
17:49:18 Falling Tribe and this evening I'm speaking on behalf of the Jamestown Squall.
17:49:26 We've already submitted these companies written comments but I just wanted to paraphrase them for the focus in the room tonight.
17:49:29 But I just wanted to paraphrase them for the books in the room tonight. First up I'm going to read a letter signed by my director Ondi Falls, the Natural Resources Department.
17:49:34 I just want to say the JSON SCONE tribe and the Jackson County Community's health and well-being are intricately tied to health, our waters, and marine resources.
17:49:41 Tribes usual and custom hunting, fishing, and gathering grounds and compass. Much of eastern Jefferson County and it's vitally important.
17:49:49 For the tribe to, to the, check these resources for all of our future. We've value the county's efforts to manage and regulate these important land for waters for all of us.
17:50:00 Appreciate all the work needed to update this shoreline. The JSON Song Tribe has reviewed updates of the S and P dated September twentieth 2,023 and we are submitting the following
comments for your consideration.
17:50:13 And, second. The tribe supports both commercial aquaculture or local food production. And restoration projects involving aquaculture activities to protect the local resources,
improve water quality, protect the tribe's treaty rates.
17:50:27 We thank you for this opportunity participate in Dressing County's periodic review Australian master program. And I also want to say that we did submit a letter in July and
many of our comments were, incorporated into this.
17:50:40 And many of our comments were, incorporated into this updated version. We really appreciate that. there is on page 141, a bit of a typo regarding predatory.
17:50:49 Predator, Predator, exclusion devices, which needs to be fixed. Page 1 48, section 7, list item A, or D, subsections to be included in the application, unless waved by the administrator
when an applicant that's discriminated, the, demonstrated that the requested information is not applicable to the specific proposal or type of auto culture.
17:51:09 This language does not delineate between alcohol culture types and a table showing which items are required for each type of aquaculture practice.
17:51:17 We have oyster farming, other shellfish, would be helpful as was done in the Clown County S.
17:51:23 Additionally, current language puts the onus on the applicant to demonstrate why certain requirements are not applicable and creates additional unnecessary work for all involved
applicants and DCD.
17:51:34 Section 7 should read in addition to the minimum application requirements. In this piece of code, application shall provide the information listed in such subsections a dash
D based on the table below which we've already submitted.
17:51:49 And Josh has entered into the record. and our other comment is on page 1 51.
17:51:57 This statement should be clarified that it was only to defend fish. It should read where the county does not have the expertise to analyze the merits of the report provided
by the applicant or thin fish permit.
17:52:09 The applicant shall be required to pay for third party period. You said report. Not that we believe that should not apply to
17:52:18 Thank you. Thank you.
17:52:27 Okay, let's do burn it at all and choose first.
17:52:43 Very good.
17:52:47 You're on.
17:52:45 Yes. Yeah, thank you very much. I'm my name is Bronadette Orson.
17:52:53 I'm speaking on behalf of Ut Canal Environmental Council. I also Jefferson County Planning Commission to include the world being in its September, Twentieth, 2,000, and 23 draft
of the Shawline Master Plan, namely to require a conditional use permit from any new GUIDA corporation in Jefferson County.
17:53:19 Including expansions and conversion from other shellfish. Farming to Guido Tommy. The same requirement already applies to neighboring pizza and Clam County.
17:53:34 So it seemed like it would be the right thing to do. In addition, I urge the Planning Commission to better protect the entire T of the county shoreline buffers.
17:53:47 Critical, Buffer shall apply to all critical areas even when causing established pay forward.
17:53:55 Thank you for allowing me time for this comment.
17:53:59 Thank you.
17:54:07 Okay.
17:54:11 One, Chavish farming has been an important source of employment in Jepsen County for over a century and shellfish has been an important part of the areas economy for thousands
of years.
17:54:24 Showfish farmers have been advocates for clean water and pollution control. Luckily we had the formation between water district.
17:54:31 Which has been able to access grant funding and has worked vigorously and effectively to identify and deal with local cases of pollution.
17:54:38 Clean water districts are born when shelters growing areas are downgraded due to pollution, IE.
17:54:44 Without chauffeur's farms, the county would not get these ground funds. Good well-written regulation is important to keep our society functioning cleanly and effectively.
17:54:54 The current draft of that culture section, will Jefferson County SNP is not well written and will natively impact shellfish farming with no positive and vomit impact that will
cost real GIFs and county jobs.
17:55:06 In 2,021 as part of the period periodic view of the SNP a group of shoreline property owners asked the conditional use premise of the public hearing.
17:55:16 We're all go. Farm development. To achieve this, the planning commission, DCD and the consultants agree to cut and placed in Cassette County, using the agricultural language.
17:55:28 It did provide a way to incorporate GUIDA TUP language, but it also greatly expanded the information required to get a childish phone.
17:55:34 A generalized from fish applications to all agricultural permits requirements such as information on literal, flushing rates, current clothes, sediment dispersal, etc.
17:55:45 The most other things. It was in their parental review task force. I was on the Peru review task force in 2020 and followed the process closely since then.
17:55:56 I've heard no scientific justification or even anyone asking for this information to address the deficiency in our present SMPs support of the Marine ecosystem.
17:56:08 The sole justification we've heard is that it is in our neighboring county, Kitsaps, ordnance, if we're going to significantly change the agriculture section of our SMP to be
consistent with their neighbor.
17:56:20 I said used we used Mason counties which is 6 pages in length. Compared to our draft, which is now 17 pages.
17:56:27 I've known Mason County as many more shelfish funding jobs in Jefferson County. Other comparative county metrics, super fun sites, Mason County 0, Jefferson one, concept 7,
areas prohibited for shellfish hardest, Mason County, 1,340, Jefferson County, 2,520.
17:56:47 Kidsat County, 700. Look at this, looking at this information. I'm wondering why we're intent on following their example.
17:56:56 Disappointed that you've decided to take the suggestions. Of shoreline property owners and both did not ask for then ignored import from industry members on these drastic changes.
17:57:08 Moving back to the agricultural language in the June, 2,021 draft DCP is the fear and sensible choice to resolve this problem.
17:57:15 But failure to do so will cost chips and county shelfage farming jobs and see the county wasting legal resources before the shorelines here.
17:57:23 Thank you.
17:57:28 Online. Ellen?
17:57:38 Yeah.
17:57:40 Yeah. Here, let me lower my hand.
17:57:46 I can't see myself. Oh, yeah. Well, that's alright. I'm Marilyn Show Walter and I live at 1596 Shine Road.
17:57:57 Part Ludlow or really at the top of hood canal on property that I have owned for the last 47 years.
17:58:05 I am speaking to the CUP provisions for GUI ducks. Notably, this is not all shellfish.
17:58:13 It's gooey ducks. And this CUP requirement has been in every draft. For 2 years now.
17:58:23 So I urge you to stay in the course and move it on in that form to the Board of County Commissioners.
17:58:31 I want to give a tiny bit of history, which is relevant. That is prior to 2,014.
17:58:39 Jefferson County, unlike the other counties. Did not require a permit at all for shellfish. So shellfish farmers established their their operations, without needing to come
to Jefferson County.
17:58:57 That meant there's a relatively unknown amount of acreage. The the federal government contains has some of this information but it's virtually impossible to acquire and freedom
of information act takes a more than a year sometimes to get.
17:59:13 So in 2,014 the new SM that that SMP for the first time will require permits in some conditions, but if a current shellfish farmer wanted to expand by 25%.
17:59:32 Or convert 25%. Of the acreage. To, to shellfish, including who he ducks.
17:59:43 No permit was required, which means there are still a relative, an unknown amount of acreage out there.
17:59:50 That may or may not have GUI ducks on them. So what this does is says if you're going to How new acreage, and, expand your own operation to go.
18:00:06 Convert. From other shellfish to goy ducts, then you need a conditional use permit.
18:00:13 It doesn't determine that you get on or it can do goy ducks or not wood ducks.
18:00:21 It's simply a process, but the important part of it is it's allows a neutral decision maker to waive evidence.
18:00:30 Of of expansion or conversion or whatever it is. In that particular location. Now that particular location is also one of many locations and so the cumulative effect of new
GUI duck operations is important.
18:00:48 Really important to determine. Gui ducks is a relatively new, industry at least the the PVC tubes are relatively new.
18:01:08 You know.
18:01:05 It's a massive amount of plastic that goes into each acre. If my time is up, is that what you said?
18:01:12 Okay, well, so I urge you to, keep this requirement in and send it on to the Board of County Commissioners.
18:01:22 Thank you.
18:01:22 Thank you.
18:01:26 Back here again. Brad Nelson.
18:01:41 Yes, can you hear me?
18:01:33 That's Yes.
18:01:45 Thank you. Yes, Darling Chandall, I live in Squim. I'm calling it from Cloud County.
18:01:52 I urge you to support the, traditional use permit. Again, we have it here, of course.
18:02:00 That's been mentioned. I'm also, would like to say I wish we didn't have Our laws are so.
18:02:09 Old and need to be updated. On shell fishing and It's it's an industry that it seems in conflict.
18:02:23 With Puget Sound partnership trying to clean up huge itself because this industry uses tons and tons and tons of plastics.
18:02:35 And these remain in our environment and of course the wildlife. Are subject to this now the animals themselves whether they're show oysters or GUI ducks or whatever the intake
of the water.
18:02:56 If they're in taking any of this plastic, it does stay in them and there is a love science on this.
18:03:04 So, I'm just saying I would. Support the conditional use permit because that's what you're kind of stuck with.
18:03:15 But at some point. We need to really take a serious look at this industry and how it is. And has been impacting our.
18:03:26 Ecosystem and all the wildlife that depend on it. And when you put in these huge, huge comers show industrial.
18:03:38 Systems operations. It's just, their rights to a clean and safe environment. And one third of our coast lines in Washington state.
18:03:56 Are now taken up with the shellfish operations. And that means one third of our coastlines are lost to the wildlife.
18:04:06 So thank you for listening. I appreciate your work.
18:04:10 Thank you.
18:04:15 Hopefully here, Michelle McConnell. Okay.
18:04:21 That's, I know, Michelle declining to speak and I do want everyone to know that Shell is our Department of Ecology shoreline planning representative just so everyone, face to
the name.
18:04:35 She's the one who's helped guide and establish those comments and has been participating with us in terms of the review.
18:04:46 Yeah. Kim.
18:04:51 Hi everyone, can you hear me?
18:04:53 Yeah.
18:04:54 Alright, thank you for this opportunity to provide testimony. My name is Kim Thompson and I will be providing these comments on behalf of The Pacific Coast Chef for Scores Association.
18:05:07 We represent Oyster, clam, and muscle farmers in Washington, California, Alaska, Oregon and Hawaii.
18:05:12 And we have several members in Jefferson County who provide important sources of well-paying jobs and economic activity which help to diversify and strengthen the local economy.
18:05:22 And 2, a point that was made earlier, in terms of the strength of the management in Washington state.
18:05:30 I was actually just looking at a draft that National Sea Grant was putting together to look at. The regulatory efficacy in different states and Washington actually performed
as one of these strongest in that project.
18:05:43 So I'll be curious to see how that plays out. We greatly appreciate the value in the role of the SMPs as our growers are highly dependent on healthy ecosystems and water quality.
18:05:54 However, we do have concerns about the draft shoreline master program. That was released on September twentieth 2023 specifically the impacts that it will likely have on new
and existing shellfish farms in the county.
18:06:06 First request that you do go back to the discretionary versus the standard conditional use permit for GUI duck this would be aligned with the science and with the Washington
administrative code.
18:06:17 I encourage you to review the letter from Klash and Car on behalf of Taylor Shellfish for more information.
18:06:22 We are also concerned about the many data requirements in section 7 and section 7 of the. Aquaculture chapter that are duplicative and in most cases irrelevant shellfish farming.
18:06:34 Example flow rates feed antibiotics vaccines. These are all things that apply to thin fish only putting the burden on growers to justify why these data points are relevant will
add unnecessary strain on the limited resources for county staff and farmers, particularly the smaller growers.
18:06:51 Shelfish farming practices and impacts to species and the environment have been thoroughly evaluated under the Army Corps, 2,015 programmatic biological assessment and the NIPS
2,016 biological opinion.
18:07:03 Both of these reports concluded that when used with a set of appropriate conditions, aquaculture was not likely to adversely impact.
18:07:11 The environment or species. The data requirements proposed in section 7 of this current draft are overly burdensome.
18:07:18 They're not supported by science and they're not conducive to supporting coordinated planning for and fostering all reasonable and appropriate uses, which includes aquaculture.
18:07:29 Please review our submitted comments as well as the comments from Plashae and Car on behalf of Taylor Shellfish for more details on our growers concerns about the current SMP
draft.
18:07:39 Thank you for your time and consideration.
18:07:41 Thank you, Jim. Okay, we have.
18:07:53 There soon. You're on.
18:07:55 Yes, hello. Oh, okay, so, my name is Su Corbett.
18:08:03 I live and shine at 31 Churchill Lane, Port Ludlow. And I've owned tide lands here in Squamish Harbor for 40 years.
18:08:11 Scottish Harbor is uniquely rich in diverse marine life, including native ill grass, herring, sand dollars and sand lance and more.
18:08:22 The people in our community value this richness in our protective of the marine life here. We have watched acres of tide lands become liquefied during the harvesting of gooey
ducks.
18:08:33 I sent a letter to the Planning Commission with signatures from 56 neighbors and supporters. Asking the county to maintain the requirement for a conditional use permit.
18:08:45 Or any new Each proposed Louis-dec operation site. We'll have its own set of specific circumstances.
18:08:56 Is native ill grass present. Is it a sand lance or herring spawning site? Is there a county park nearby?
18:09:04 So it seems reasonable to allow the public to share their knowledge about a particular site by participating in the process.
18:09:12 Of a conditional use permit. So thank you for spending your valuable time in the last 2 years working on updating the county SMP.
18:09:22 This seems to be a good time to finalize the process. Thank you for providing a time for the public.
18:09:29 To have a voice on this issue. Thank you.
18:09:33 Thank you.
18:09:37 We have Jen. General general. Okay.
18:09:47 Hopefully you can hear me.
18:09:49 Yes.
18:09:52 Can you hear you?
18:09:50 Hello? All right, I'll start. I'm Jan Wold and I have lived in Jefferson County on Shine Road next to Hood Canal for 10 years.
18:10:01 I have decades of experience working in land management and I spent the last 7 years before I retired in charge of a 1 million international forest.
18:10:10 About 30% of all Puget Sound Tide lands are under permit for shellfish farms.
18:10:15 All shellfish farming, gooey duck farming is the most destructive and it is located in areas with many threatened and endangered species.
18:10:24 GUIDE farmers pound over 43,000 white plastic PVC tubes. You can take a look at this hopefully you can see.
18:10:33 This is on Shine Road. This is a couple of months ago. Into the ground.
18:10:41 Per acre or one tube every square foot. These same tide lands are then turned into a slurry down to 3 feet deep during the gluey duck harvesting.
18:10:50 And this cycle goes on year after year. And I can think of no other county project that would be more negatively impactful or more in need of a thorough conditional use permit
process.
18:11:01 Over 50 of my neighbors signed a letter to strongly support the current draft SMP that requires a conditional use permit and a public hearing for any commercial GUI de farming.
18:11:12 Requiring an additional use permit is consistent with neighboring Kitsap and Callum County approved SMPs.
18:11:19 On a separate separate topic. In cases where roadways are unfortunately located in the 150 foot shoreline buffer.
18:11:28 The smaller with remaining buffers above such roadways become even more important. Much of the vegetated areas along our shorelines have roads above roads are being rapidly
eliminated.
18:11:40 As is very evident alongside road where I live. Many people ignorant of the importance of shoreline buffers move to our shorelines and immediately began cutting trees and mowing
down habitat and the 150 foot buffers.
18:11:54 Both Jefferson and Mason County S and Ps have the same wording. Buffers shall not extend across lawfully established paved roads or hardened surfaces to include areas which
are functionally isolated from the shoreline or critical area.
18:12:08 This sentence should either be a eliminated and these smaller buffer sections treated the same as any other 150 foot Jefferson County shoreline buffer.
18:12:18 Or an additional 2 sentences that were added to the recently approved Mason County SMP that requires that the buffer function is reviewed before it can be modified or destroyed.
18:12:29 This is also an opportunity to address the county's SNP mission. I'm considering global warming and sea level rise and will help protect water quality.
18:12:40 Something that I hope the shellfish farmers that are taking part in this hearing will be supportive of.
18:12:45 I'd also like to just mention that the biological opinions that were being ported by one of the speakers.
18:12:57 Can.
18:12:52 About a decade old and are quite outdated. So relying on them to say that there's no packed isn't appropriate.
18:13:01 Thank you.
18:13:04 Thank you. Here we have Steve Dimmer and Steve.
18:13:16 Hang on. This is Steve Ditmar. I live at 30 Watney Lane, Portalo right at the corner of Shine Road and Watney Lane.
18:13:26 And, we own the, Thailand's immediately adjacent to the current GUI. Farm.
18:13:35 It's down here in the Shide lens.
18:13:37 I've got a couple of comments to make. I'm in support of. Maintaining the conditional use permit provisions in the SMP.
18:13:46 So my comments are related to that. Other than adding a step for the commercial growers to go through, what is the downside?
18:13:57 To keeping the conditional use permit within the process. Considering the impact. Of the, farming and yeah all the PVC tubes and all that stuff.
18:14:10 It's seems, very reasonable to have a, these reviews before any new. Farming goes in.
18:14:23 These, are really no small impact. I live right next to it. I see it every day.
18:14:27 And the related habitat birds and so forth. Seems very reasonable to consider all aspects. Before the approvals are granted for any additional GUI. And us local people here,
we often are aware of issues and items for consideration.
18:14:47 That the good people in the county, they don't live here. They don't see what we see.
18:14:53 So having an opportunity for us to get input into the process before approvals are granted. Seems completely reasonable.
18:15:02 To me. As many others have stated. There's tons of PVC tubing that goes in per acre for each planting.
18:15:13 That's not insignificant. Secondly, my wife and I own, as I said, on the Thailand's immediately adjacent to our local farm here.
18:15:23 And I'd be happy to make our titles available for any of you folks at the county that would like to visit.
18:15:30 And see the farming operation upfront and personal. Get a chance to, walk in our tight lens all you want.
18:15:39 That's fine. And take a look at what those 40,000 PVC 2 per acre look like.
18:15:46 Have a chance to visualize it and see and just think about wave action. 24Â HA day.
18:15:54 7 days a week, 365 days every year. With those waves moving those pipes dislodging them, grinding away on the edge of those pipes and putting all that microplastic into our
environment into the food chain.
18:16:10 I love for you guys, you county folks that are considering this to come see it first hand and visualize what's going on.
18:16:20 Thank you. And my comments. I'll submit these also in writing.
18:16:30 I'm done. Yeah.
18:16:29 He's on there. Looks like, Is there somebody here that is getting more thought to this.
18:16:37 Yes. Yeah, Say you are, what do you do?
18:16:45 Good evening, everyone. My name is and I live in Portland though. And I'm here this evening to support Shine and Discovery Bay neighbors and friends.
18:16:55 The common theme here is the conditional use commit. And I strongly support that the Jefferson County implements that and keeps that in place.
18:17:05 It's really that process, which includes planting and extracting destructs and destroys the natural habitat of the ocean floors.
18:17:14 In my opinion, this whole process has a very negative impact on our sea plants. Birds as well as he like.
18:17:22 A harvesting process. Most of it that's from here is exported for profit. Because it's surprise luxury delicacy in ancient C.
18:17:39 Surely most of us here probably could not afford this I ask that you add the conditional use permit to.
18:17:45 Like our neighboring counties that have been discussed here, Kissap in Plow County just showing more standardized and Plow County just showing more standardized and systematic.
18:17:55 And neutral renewed process. Instead of the Army Corps of Engineer, just rubber stamping all these applications.
18:18:04 For big businesses. I ask that you beat the stewards to our tidlands. And add the conditional because our tide lands are fragile.
18:18:16 And we are all depending on you to do the right. Thank you. Okay.
18:18:29 What else? Like to add a comment?
18:18:36 Alex, anybody else online? Don't see anybody.
18:18:44 Well, hearing, hearing none, our public hearing is now closed. Public comments received after this time will be forwarded to the board kind of commissioners for their consideration
before their decision.
18:19:02 I can. Deliberations will begin at the 5 at the October eighteenth meeting at 5 30 here. Anybody's interested in hearing that the Plan Commission will make client needs of recommendations,
which will be forwarded to the border attack commissioners.
18:19:17 5 legislative action. Thank you for your interest in this process.
18:19:28 Let's see. One of the thing that's, give you a mind, folks, that, an advisory board, we send our.
18:19:38 You's forward. Just as in VCB at their recommendations, but it's the board accounting commissioner that are the ones that make the decision.
18:19:48 So all the people spoke here and want to be heard in the actual decisions are made by lack slated body.
18:19:56 That's the Board of County Commissioners hearing. Which they have. So remember that this is just the first step.
18:20:00 And although we advise them. Based on what we hear from you the whole week. It's always a good idea to be at the, Do we know for sure that they'll have any except our recommendations?
18:20:14 They don't have to have that hearing. That is true. So the planning agency, the Planning Commission and De Cleveland.
18:20:22 If our recommendation is one same and it goes to the board, they could choose to simply accept that recommendation and move on.
18:20:29 That's for any legislative action really that we put forward. In this case, I imagine they would probably, but I certainly can't speak for them.
18:20:38 Nonetheless, though, whether they do or don't, this entire record. Will be transmitted to the board.
18:20:44 So, so all the comments, all the 234 pages plus that we've got so far will go.
18:20:52 But even if they don't have a open hearing on this particular subject, they do have every Monday morning a public comment period.
18:21:02 So when you know that our decisions are going forward and they're starting to think through and deliberate it.
18:21:11 I'm sure they're doing it now, but you want to get that last bit of, you know, effort in, but that's when you want to do it.
18:21:15 That's why I just want to make sure everybody understands. What we'll do is we'll have a workshop too scheduled with the board.
18:21:20 The talk about the recommendations, the recommendation from the Planning Commission and the recommendation from staff. If it differs from the planning commission.
18:21:27 And then we'll ask the board whether they want to have a public hearing or not. And so that'll be a public session.
18:21:32 Everybody that can't understand the process. Thank you. I know you said it at the beginning, but I didn't care before you close the hearing.
18:21:42 I didn't hear you remind everybody if they have any additional written comments that need to be in and I don't know if you want to close the hearing.
18:21:51 I didn't hear you remind everybody if they have any additional written comments that need to be in and I don't know if you want to give them the hearing, but I suppose we could
wait till the end of the.
18:21:57 Okay. Yeah, What do you mean? That's fine. I've actually I've actually sort of, stamps by saying what time all the comments came in because I just put them in order. That's
fine.
18:22:21 I've actually I've actually sort of state stamps by saying what time all the comments came in because I just put them in order.
18:22:23 So I'll just anything comes in. I've actually, I've actually sort of, stamps by saying what time all the comments came in because I just put them in order.
18:22:31 If they're being or less meeting, I've, the, of activities from the.
18:22:31 Vision. So if anybody wants to leave, Yes. So, That would deliverate. We will discuss that amongst ourselves.
18:23:26 If we have if anybody's in our audience at that time and do have a question today on their colleagues tonight or what we've read in their documents.
18:23:36 And or Ed. Then we have a right to question them on those. And can they participate in providing that information to us?
18:23:48 If they don't appear question. But generally not. You know, we've taken the hearing deliberated by ourselves and we have to do our research.
18:24:01 I think I'm questioning certain individuals before we get to deliberation. Yeah. And I'm sure other people, it's like, I've done research, like flat fish and.
18:24:07 How the, you know, the ecosystem, all that stuff. So. I've never, when we get to those deliberations, I don't.
18:24:15 We don't typically have others joining in. A little bit different every time you can get a list here.
18:24:25 This came up earlier. I was talking to the SNP. At one meeting we had some people participating to give us the additional, technical information.
18:24:34 About the process. It becomes very, very difficult. To separate technical advice from. From testimony.
18:24:44 Yes. So I think now that the public hearing experience closed, we're gonna close it for all the education. Thank you. Thank you.
18:24:54 You have a good idea. Yeah.
18:24:58 Okay, here we are and the planning to mission updates. And there's 2 topics in this, area I would like to have.
18:25:08 One is a discussion, a presentation by Mike about the outreach. Program meeting we had in, coil.
18:25:16 So like I said, more I'm gonna go ahead and read this because I think you know present it for the minutes and it can be distributed that way if that's possible.
18:25:27 So thank you for that. On we had a district 3 outreach meeting that was asked by bread butler to put together on September 20 ninth at 2 pm which was at the coil community center
All 3 district, all district 3, you have mission members to include Richard Colt, Costello and and Michael, along with the DCP Chief Strategy Officer, Brent Butler, backing community
leaders from
18:25:53 Brennan, Coral, and will see. The focus of this meeting was an outreach course, to gather processes to inform community advocates on the activities of planning commission in
the Department of Community Development.
18:26:04 According to these advocates, there has been an absence of communication between the 3 communities, DCB and the PC, causing a void and understanding how the DCD can assist in
land use policy and regulations that primarily impact history 3.
18:26:21 They have been unaware. DCD coordinates county wide land use development, regulatory responsibilities and the planning commission support that supports the DCD with the county
commissioners to make advisory recommendations on land use matters.
18:26:38 It was determined the best outreach process at this time is to assure planning commission community outreach committee should assist in gathering the stakeholders names and
pertinent email addresses to provide to the DCP staff.
18:26:51 I have some of those here available. DCD staff place permanent district 3 organizations on its mailing list, emailing list, regularly send out meeting notices with a short paragraph.
18:27:03 On the pertinence of the meeting. Or meetings. The PC and the DCD consider rotating some of its meetings in industry 3 and let's see inform all community leaders which was done
that our planning commission meetings can be also monitored through zoom and an audio webinar by your telephone.
18:27:25 And occasionally have the DCD and the PC members attend community meetings and exhibitions. Long story short is there just hasn't been a transition.
18:27:37 Of communication. I was hearing on those individuals there. And I did get a list of a few individuals that had, provided their phone numbers and email addresses.
18:27:47 As well as the primary one from the coil area where they wanted to be involved and outreach to their own people.
18:27:58 So basically we would send the communicate to that. They're mail served and they in turn will get it out to all the people in their community.
18:28:06 I think we have an obligation. With our committee to go out to. Brennan and Clulsing again and gather some information on contacts.
18:28:14 For those individuals out in that area although we did have people from will seem and bring in there. You I received 4 individuals, with their names, their organization, and
their emails and phone numbers along with the fifth, which is the, community, which is condos at Google groups.
18:28:33 Calm. To be a participant in that that information you need to sign up on their web link and then they'll open it up and allow us to do that.
18:28:44 That would come through the department. And the chair, Richard Hall, had recommended to death instead of having the public relations department of Jefferson County or the marketing
department, whether it's called.
18:28:55 That we specifically have the department department community development work with us and giving that information out to these individuals.
18:29:04 And I'm certainly open. 3 of us are open for any questions. And it was made clear then that all, are they asking for more information than it's publicly dispensed already?
18:29:15 I mean, about notices about meetings and all those kind of things you're asking for, which are publicly notified.
18:29:20 I'm just, are they not reaching out to the website or through the paper? Some answer to that question.
18:29:34 Communication. One is that there are a lot of people who know now some of those. Don't only care that most of them probably don't care.
18:29:46 But I think it's important that people know the client condition exists and then they can ignore us.
18:29:55 So we are getting at that level. We start getting a message out. And then when we do get it out, one of the concerns was that.
18:30:02 You. What in the world they talk about? You know, there's a meeting about the Got a comprehensive plan. Yeah.
18:30:12 What the world is that? So the thought was, first of all, try to get increased awareness through these.
18:30:18 These contact people and organizations. And when we do communicate, try to make it a little bit clearer.
18:30:28 The less jargon. One concern would be that we're just doubling down and telling these guys they need to start sending it out to more people creating more work.
18:30:37 Or resource time. When it's already provided to the public, it's simply incumbent on the public to reach out and find the information which is publicly dispense.
18:30:50 So I'm just a little bit because that's district one. Now, okay, what do we need to do?
18:31:02 I don't think what we need we as planning commission members need to. Like you were talking earlier, you're gonna fare it out some information from individuals that we're here
tonight and will put in documents.
18:31:12 Because you might have some questions. I think it would be incumbent must, and I know Chris has done that.
18:31:20 So contact with people in her area as well as I have Richard has. So we're getting the word happen.
18:31:26 Maybe we need to get out there and show our face a little bit more at some community meetings and things of that nature.
18:31:32 And secondly is all it takes is one email address. So when they send us information, they can click and link and it just goes out automatically to them.
18:31:43 We're not asking the department to go above and beyond, answer phone calls, talk to people about this stuff.
18:31:50 We just want to get that email out to those planetary community centers organizations. They accepted them to get that information to go further.
18:32:00 And what you said, Kevin, is true is our information on our agendas. Well, you normally lead them if they go into those links into that page to get the information.
18:32:10 So that eliminates. And also the best site for them to then say, well, gee, what is the plan?
18:32:17 What is the show line management plan? Oh, wow, there's a whole another page on that.
18:32:20 I can, you know, their links go right to all that. So that's gonna be the first thing.
18:32:22 The other thing that I do agree about the outreach. We did it years ago. We went to 4 or not forks.
18:32:29 What is the school there? It's basically their watch. We went there every year. We went out here to Gartner.
18:32:36 With the Brendan and Quelsey and you know we went out to talk to the. Once a year we made that effort as DCD planning commissioners you know when it's a 5Â h drive out to clear
water we did it.
18:32:48 I strongly recommend to get back to those once a year outreaches. We usually do it in November, maybe early spring, the late L and they were very constructive.
18:33:00 I mean, we had the whole, you know, wild rivers going on in that clear water meeting.
18:33:06 50 people in a town 20 show up. I mean it was So when issues and then we see kind of response and Brendan, black, so I would recommend if we can somehow get it in the budget.
18:33:18 I know we're talking budget so it may be something to consider if it's not there. That outreach is very, I think, important, like you say, not only.
18:33:27 And we need a coil once and we've done it in other places. So that would be my.
18:33:32 Thank you. And then our committee.
18:33:38 That myself. So I think that these are some dialogues that we need to have so that we're all on the same page.
18:33:51 So I think that these are some dialogues that we need to have so that we're all on the same page.
18:33:52 That we need to have so that we're all on the same page. But I think we've heard that over the years that We can't get to everywhere all year long, but we can certainly take
a rotational basis of hitting some of those.
18:34:08 Everywhere once in a year. I think it's important to have a local fairness in terms of who gets stuff.
18:34:10 To be transparent. Who's on the list so that Oh, can't. Just avoid any any any appearance.
18:34:23 Choosing. Yeah. I know when we were working on the shoreline master program. When it first started up a few years back as well as the corporate plan review.
18:34:38 David Wayne Johnson was involved on that. And David did a very good job of contacting community leaders throughout the entire county. And he had a list.
18:34:50 I don't know. That's his list or your department's list. But that's a good source to every once in a while.
18:34:57 Get those. Add the email addresses and. You know, just at least you know that it's gone to those.
18:35:04 And it probably means updating at that time. So, from that time. So anyway, that's where I'm coming from.
18:35:12 And I assume Brad was taking some serious notes of this meeting that we had. I don't know if you had those transcribed or had given to you, Josh or, It's in his.
18:35:25 I know Brett is at a housing conference this week in Tacoma. So I haven't spoken about this.
18:35:31 We got some of the information that he asked us to look into this. Packing. I know there was sounds like some miscommunication in terms of getting you notice out in a timely
fashion or even describing what was going on because clearly it wasn't a planning commission.
18:35:42 That says that we expected or even wanted. We planning commission to show up to that meeting because that all said we'd have a meeting.
18:35:50 So just to rewind a little bit. We do occasionally go out and in terms of county staff and department heads and elected officials.
18:36:00 In fact, this summer there's been a series of outreach meetings. I think you know, those one of them is helping this room.
18:36:04 I find it fascinating that some of the meetings are really well attended. And some are very sparsely excited when there was a meeting here and there was a great presentation
about the sewer from public works, there was nobody here.
18:36:16 Maybe somebody online, but really nobody. Nobody in the port towns and needing. That I went to that we had a handful of people. I think that.
18:36:26 Local people would have been very interested in the topic. So maybe it was an average issue. I know that was really being helped.
18:36:32 The board's office was in control of that really people would have been very interested in the topic as we talked about. So maybe it was an outreach issue.
18:36:35 I know that was really being held, you know, the board's office was in control of that really, but still we could have done a better job of outre The Brand meeting was really,
well attended.
18:36:38 I think the gardener meeting was pretty well intended. I'm actually going out to the West and speaking of that one to the whole Tribal Center and I hope I think the outreach
has been effective there.
18:36:47 Hopefully who knows we could see 30 people in town and 20 there as well. So anyway those are happening.
18:36:53 I did attend a meeting that the Brandon community requested of County staff and others like the sheriff and and PUD officials and so forth to discuss a variety of bringing issues,
written center issues at the community center.
18:37:06 That was several months ago. And there was some interesting, you know, we all kind of went down the table and there was, we got it with a lot of questions that was very interesting.
18:37:14 Out of that. And out of a potential application. Idea. Better community got engaged and the summer probably the same people maybe that were at that meeting.
18:37:27 But red basically went out and spoke to a group of community leaders in Brenton and described some of the grants that we were thinking about going after and we had gotten boards
acquiescence or support to go after some branches to find out more information about about the dose.
18:37:44 Public health standpoint from how the river works and what are the what are the what's what's the processes and really what are the dangers with respect to that river and some
of the infrastructure that has been maintained in terms of flood protection.
18:37:59 And then Brett, the land you side was going to be more about a study of some risk in that area relative to the flood plain and flood weight is not only just a hundred-year floodplain
in winter, it is a floodway cuts across the There you the downtown area, the Royal Village Center, that's from the last FEMA update to the National Fund.
18:38:20 Choice Map. So anyway, the community clearly told Brent in a meeting that they were not interested in us going after those grants.
18:38:26 So we went to the board and said, hey, the community doesn't seem very interested in this.
18:38:28 And so we, we didn't put any more time to do one after those. Now, they did tell us what they were interested in, which is to study the extension of infrastructure into that
role, real etc.
18:38:38 Specifically sewer service from the state part. So. So we are. Thinking about that idea and trying to figure out what we had a meeting recently.
18:38:47 Or I did anybody commissioner brother team and and the new grant writer for the county. Amanda Christopherson.
18:38:57 And
18:38:57 . There's a lot of different directions to go and that's certainly it needs more study. I think that some of the different directions to go and that's certainly it needs more
study.
18:39:05 Would I think that some of the information would have gotten from those grants would have been helpful, but that's my opinion.
18:39:08 Obviously it wasn't, wasn't shared by the community. So Brent, got he heard from that group as he went that they wanted to meet their district 3 planning commissioner.
18:39:19 And so that's where the whole thing got hatched. Brent had been talking because as you know, Brent as a chief strategy officer now has a discrete set of projects that he's working
on before he retires.
18:39:24 And so we're taking advantage of his expertise and his time now to be able to do that. Not worry about the stuff that I've worried about him.
18:39:32 So one of those things is to prepare for our community assistance visit early in the audience from FEMA slash ecology this fall.
18:39:38 And they had identified areas in Britain that they thought. Look like they probably maybe shouldn't have been developed the way they were recently meaning They question the
flood elevation certificate process from our county.
18:39:54 In the outreach topic. Okay, I'm sorry. I'll go right to it. I was about to get there.
18:39:59 I was about to get there again. I, you're right. I've gone secured this.
18:40:01 That, that resulted then in breadth setting up this meeting for a Saturday and in Brent setting up this meeting for Saturday. And Brett setting up this meeting for Saturday.
And then we're getting bombed. Everybody, your eyes. Okay.
18:40:14 I'm not We already go on. User. Okay, bottom line, I'll get right to it.
18:40:19 So. There was a meeting setup that was going to involve originally there was a need that was going to involve an ecology staff they dropped out I don't know but there was a
meaning about specifically floodplain type stuff.
18:40:28 Grant wanted to get the message out at least so people could have the option to purchase flood insurance if they didn't have it and so forth before the rainy season and then
it looked like an opportunity.
18:40:37 They really wanted to meet the district. D. Planning commissioners. That started that sort of Friday ad hoc meeting got set up.
18:40:40 Sorry if it didn't need everyone schedule. I think it was really an optional thing. Glad that you were in.
18:40:47 Right. And so that's how that happened. But I know it's kinda last minute and so sorry about the, you know, you hearing about Cynthia Lane and it wasn't wasn't intended to be
something.
18:40:54 Oh, it's a planning commission when you have to go to this. But anyway. I need to do a better job of of finding out what Brent is up to at all times.
18:41:01 But it's you know mostly I'm paying attention to like some of the newer staff and coaching that regard it and and breast, you know, really doing independent work, which is great
because I can't focus on all the things that wants.
18:41:12 That's it. So the idea is you guys in the subcommittee are gonna be looking into it some more.
18:41:21 And I think that's how he's going out and visiting each jurisdiction in area, you know, once a year is a good idea.
18:41:27 He's going out and visiting each jurisdiction in areas, you know, once a year is a good idea.
18:41:32 . And they were, really well attended meeting and they were really So it should be. And I don't know if, when you're reaching out, I remember we had big discussions, but we
made sure the schools over there knew about it so they got past the word the newspaper and forks so that you know good out there it's also in another it's just tough to give people
to know what's
18:42:01 down. Well, that's what we're gonna be working on. I think that's a good point because over the years and then close.
18:42:09 Contests that we had. And with the change in your administration over the years things get lost in the weeds and I think that we kind of get focused on other stuff and forget
about that.
18:42:23 We as they have been minded, Commission should be having that communication. Thank you. I am.
18:42:36 I think, I mean, you know, it's, it's easy to sit here and say, oh, those community members should just look at the agenda for the planning commission every week.
18:42:44 That's not gonna happen. If I don't know that I'm interested in an issue.
18:42:53 That's why we're gonna get that. Right. And finding out from communities what they are interested in.
18:42:54 And helping them understand there may be a connection they don't realize. You have this, you have this concern.
18:43:01 We're working on the cop plan. Great way to connect. They might not know that. They might not know that, you know, another issue that they are concerned about relates to something
that we're doing in an obvious way.
18:43:13 So I think we do need to help. Good discussion. And the other job they'd better talk about in the planning for these update is, DC, that we would like to send you, you'll see,
it's just gonna be nice and coming together as we.
18:43:34 Okay. Did everyone get a copy of that letter either from me directly or from? You, that topic though, I didn't see you.
18:43:46 Oh, okay. So when we at our at the last meeting we held so that I don't know that date September early in September probably Thanks.
18:44:03 Sixth of September. We discussed the budget for the planning commission that's included in DCBs budget that's going to the court county commissioners.
18:44:12 And we have some concerns that. Some of the staff hours that are currently being spent were underrepresented in the actual.
18:44:23 Reports the budget to actual report that was presented and even more importantly we have a concern that, we want more staff time.
18:44:35 And so our concern was if we were to take the almost $45,000. Budget line items for the planning commission and reduce it to something closer to what we use this year and an
estimate of possible staff time for the future which was more like $15,000 I think.
18:44:56 And plus the, for the planning commission that we would be. Short the staff support. Believe we need and one and also we have a.
18:45:12 Major update coming up and and longer staff. So. To be it's both practical and symbolic.
18:45:22 To maintain was a budget as it is now so Mike and I we discussed writing a letter I can I agree to draft one together which we have done and I forward it directly and the staff
also forward it to you.
18:45:39 And we just are asking for a vote so that I can get it to the border county officials. I believe they have a work group on the, so I would love to send that.
18:45:50 Okay, that's not like I have a motion to approve the letter. For a second. No second.
18:45:57 11Â s so we can have discussion. Is everybody familiar with the letters?
18:46:03 Yeah. For the discussion, all in favor of somebody the letter, raise your hand. Yeah, looks like 7 0 in favor passes.
18:46:14 Okay. Do you feel comfortable chair with me because they're meeting tomorrow? Are you comfortable with me just emailing that to both the board account and commissioner's main
desk and to both the board account and commissioner's main desk and to the, the commissioners directly so that they have that to both the board account and commissioner's main desk
and the to the commissioners directly so that they have that I'm just not
18:46:33 aware of the normal procedure. There's, there, you know, there's no senior that they would be both except.
18:46:48 This is my first rodeo at the budget presentation. So I'm not sure how they're gonna run it.
18:46:50 I, this is my first rodeo at the budget presentation. So I'm not sure how they're gonna run it.
18:46:52 I imagine that'd be a public comment part of it but I don't know how they're gonna run it.
18:46:56 I'm not sure how they're gonna run it. I imagine there'd be a public comment part of it, but I don't know. To be honest.
18:47:00 So I will tell you, I, Okay, Okay. So that moves to item 10 in the agenda.
18:47:17 The ECD and director updates. Okay, so, George and I are gonna, TAKE, you here for these next few things on the agenda.
18:47:24 Which are pretty much all updates that we wanna give you and of course invite feedback and discussion. So.
18:47:31 In terms of updates, if you're curious, really interested, then you could. Attend the budget presentation tomorrow.
18:47:41 For whether in person or virtually. I think we have we're scheduled for an hour. Our presentation is going to take about 1520Â min maybe and then a lot of questions and we'll
stick around for the rest of the hour and if not, so.
18:47:54 That should be interesting. George, what time are you scared? We are tentatively scheduled for 9 30.
18:48:03 It's kind of a loose agenda. We've got it. Like, but I think we're gonna, I imagine we're going to be So I'll give you a sneak preview then of some of the things that we're
gonna say.
18:48:16 These are things we've said with the board in the past few months because all of these things essentially have been approved either by the board themselves in terms of contracts
or by the county administrator.
18:48:25 In the HR director expensive staffing. So we've now have 5 consultants. On call, 3 land use planning consultants and 2 building related.
18:48:35 So that's exciting for us because we're finally rebuilding our capacity ability to. Both do current planning and long range planning.
18:48:46 How about those, consultants in particular. So. And we started to use them already. The 2 firms one has been focused on the pleasant harbor mess like resort and george has actually
been coordinating that effort although it involves multiple departments and interests and so forth.
18:49:03 Although that consultant has other capabilities. Well, and then the other consulting group. We've been working on development.
18:49:12 Site development view, the SDR backlog that George has also been. Working with them and we can give you some updates there in a moment.
18:49:21 There's my little intro. So that's exciting. The other consultant is a sole proprietor.
18:49:27 He was a planning director. So another Washington jurisdiction. So I just spoke with her yesterday. A lot of writer topics.
18:49:33 We're gonna use her for both development and. But she can't make maybe playing a significant sort of I'm tracking the project management style role for our 2025 update to keep
us on track.
18:49:46 And to help actually mentor. Some of our current staff in. And the arts of laundry, she's done these kinds of updates before so.
18:49:56 That's exciting as well. And we may not be done in terms of getting consultant assistants, but at least we're pretty good now.
18:50:03 We feel pretty comfortable with where we're at. And of course we're gonna spend some money this year.
18:50:08 To really hit that backlog backlog hard and then If all if the universe is willing and everything goes according to plan then next year we can start to taper off that consultant
spending the respective development review because it is more expensive to use. CASELS.
18:50:25 And any house staff because we will have by that time built both get that back line and built up our internal capacity after we had so many.
18:50:33 So many losses this year in terms of institutional memory at staff capacity. So speaking up, we went up to advertisement again for more staff.
18:50:41 We have 4 people starting this month, definitely, and then we're still looking to fill 2 positions.
18:50:48 Hopefully if everything goes well with the budget because in addition to what you're recommending for the Planning Commission budget, we're also asking for a lot in a sense.
18:50:58 We could actually I should I should rephrase that we're asking for what we had before.
18:51:01 This last budget. So in other words, we had a we had a general fund. A general fund allocation that was more or less cut in half.
18:51:11 Or I think I'm not sure exactly what reasons I wasn't participating in that process and we're essentially saying, hey, it'd be really nice if we got that back.
18:51:20 Both for the rest of this year and for next year. And then we're saying maybe if all works out well in 2025 since this is if I annual thing we won't need quite as much general
fund maybe we'll see how that goes.
18:51:32 Essentially that's our message. And, so in the staff coming, we've got the current center for there is starting a Monday.
18:51:39 Got a new planning tech who started towards the end of the month. We have a new associate planner that we stole from another county.
18:51:47 I guess the top works. Everybody is still from each other. So, you know, 5 years of experience doing permanent all the more on the septic side, but actually that's a good skill
set for us to have.
18:51:55 That person might be really able to help with the SDR backlog because I've talked to the environmental health director about this instead of routing these SCRs that require
the question to be answered.
18:52:07 Does it meet minimum land area requirements? You can have our person do that because that person, you know, actually has been doing that for the other environment, the whole
department, little, for 5 years.
18:52:16 And we also have a senior planner coming in, someone who used to work for Jefferson County. So we're really getting the band back together at this point, you know, because secured
with Greg Valer coming in and then me rejoining and so forth.
18:52:26 Because we all used to work together back in the 2,000, but, Mochi Lindblad who used to be a planner with us and she went off to click the tech county and then later became
the planning director.
18:52:35 Current planning director of Lichtag County. So essentially up here from the Association of Planning Directors.
18:52:40 As decided that what she really likes to do is planning. And not running an apartment. And I can relate to what she's saying now, after a little bit of experience in that regard.
18:52:50 So, so she's gonna come and do what she really likes to do, which is we're just planning, you know, review the hard purpose and the conditional uses and the variances and things
like that.
18:52:59 So she's a subdivision expert. And she also has experience of language spending. Their issues over there are a little bit different than ours.
18:53:04 They talk about like solar arrays. Over the landscape. And we talk about aqua culture. You know, so a little bit different there, but nonetheless, we're excited to bring on
the senior level talent like that and she's starting to.
18:53:17 Should be hitting the ground running and some Greg's in the hand or a whole bunch of complex cases to move forward.
18:53:23 So we're really really good about the situation. In the sense that in a month, 2, 3 months will be looking good.
18:53:30 I mean, according to plan, we totally realize that, you know, for the folks who are still waiting in line, you know, it sounds great until it happens.
18:53:37 You know, so I get that, you know, it's been a while for the plan to take place our county commissioners and our, you know, the administration's been patient and we've been
working hard on it and doing our best.
18:53:48 I think we're, feeling good. So essentially that's That's where I wanted to to leave off there.
18:53:53 If you I think George has got a couple quick permit numbers that he could tell you because George actually also is our SDR lead.
18:54:00 And so he's been doing the Oman's work essentially so I appreciate the kudos for this minute preparation as well.
18:54:06 So we're really happy that he's stepping up in a variety of areas and one of them is really taking charge of this SDR program to.
18:54:13 To get it rerouted essentially. Go ahead, and I'll stick with SDR specific stuff right now.
18:54:23 And I've got this broken down into various. What is this? Site development review.
18:54:27 Yes, sir. And I've got these site development review numbers broken down into a few different buckets of classification.
18:54:35 For example, 2022 and 2023, but I'll keep it simple right here. Just give you a broad view.
18:54:41 We've got roughly 450 total SDRs applied for since the ordnance came online.
18:54:49 We've completed about 300 of those. We've got. Somewhere between 40 and 50 in what I would consider to be various stages of completion, the SDR.
18:55:02 Process can result. In a case going down one of several different pathways that can involve different timelines to reach completion.
18:55:13 So they're in various stages. And then that leaves about a hundred 10 to about a hundred 30 in the queue.
18:55:21 And this is good news. If it doesn't sound like it, I can assure you that it is.
18:55:27 And that good news is made even sweeter with the Atwell group, which is one of the consultants Josh was referencing that we brought on that are focusing on current planning
and in particular assisting me with the site development review.
18:55:40 We started about a month ago. I have received 10 completed from them. I'm going to receive 10 more completed.
18:55:48 Tomorrow. And then on Friday I'll be submitting a batch of 20. Which we will keep that rate until we're through the backlog with the Atwell group reviewing 20 SDRs at a time
over a 10 week over a 2 week period, essentially being about 10, hopefully 10 plus reviewed per week.
18:56:08 So that simple math, that that production rate for myself in the Atwell group, we can get through that queue.
18:56:16 Pretty quickly and we'll be having Andy the new associate planner and mochi the new senior planner also picking up some.
18:56:27 Yes continuing to chip away at that backlog. So, the light at the end of the tunnel was getting brighter and more pleased.
18:56:34 Okay, will there be new SDRs coming down the pike? Like this isn't the finite number, right?
18:56:45 Great question. It's continuing to grow. Delightfully that pace is slowing down. And you can look at it broken down, you know, in 2022 we had about 180 total SDRs applied for
in from about the last 3 months.
18:57:03 In 22. And then 270. Roughly apply for to date. So over time, the rate at which new ones come in is diminishing.
18:57:16 Yes. That sounds like it's increasing, but I assume you mean that in a granular manner there.
18:57:28 We have 1 78 in the last 3 months of 2022 and 2 70 throughout the it's to date in 2023.
18:57:31 I'm curious, do you have a goal for like how many man hours it takes to get through this SDR process, you know.
18:57:39 Kind of going back to the beginning of it again we were anticipating it wasn't to me a lot but For whatever reason, it is a lot.
18:57:48 And so I'm just thinking down the road next year, you know, let's say we get all this can take care of.
18:57:52 We're going into next year. We got another 200. How many man hours are we finding?
18:57:57 Is it an 8Â h, 1 8Â h day for an SDR? I mean, I'm looking at 10 a week.
18:58:04 Sure, how many guys you got working on it because You know, and I get it, not every SDR is a finite, you know, oh, this 1 6Â h.
18:58:12 This one could be 6, but this one could be 16. How, how, how, how, how, we, gauging that so that we're anticipating for the future and taking care of these in a proficient manner
which doesn't clog us up anymore.
18:58:22 Yes. And our desire would be to avoid a future backlog again. And I appreciate you making the point that not as every SDR is built the same.
18:58:32 Very levels of complexity and sort of those various stages of completion that I referenced. You'd never know where it's going to end up.
18:58:42 I have been tracking my time and other team members who have since departed. We're tracking their time too on time that takes roughly to complete an SDR.
18:58:51 What's been helpful is the Atwell group, this consulting. They're keeping a wonderful project tracker internally, primarily to assist them in invoicing us, I'm sure.
18:59:01 But I've had an opportunity to look at it and it looks like they're clocking in.
18:59:05 From 2 and a quarter hours to 3Â h somewhere in there 2 and a half 2 and 3 quarters 3Â h looks to be the max that they're investing in it.
18:59:19 I don't know how much clarity that offers us. Because I don't even think from Josh's perspective thinking down the road, hey, if I'm going to get 300 destiny thinking down the
road.
18:59:29 Hey, if I'm gonna get 300 destiny, and down the road, hey, if I'm going to get 300 destiny, I need to have.
18:59:29 You know, 3, 900Â h, man hours available. In staff time for budget for. Workflow and rest it but of course then there's also you know whether the LLRs are involved in and then
they got the building, and all the rest of it.
18:59:46 Right? From the industry side of it, wanting to try for us to get ahead of this thing. So that everything's starting to flow through in a more productive way for all of us.
18:59:58 Yeah, I appreciate that idea. Having new staff on our board is gonna be helpful for us to keep better track of things.
19:00:08 I know it's not excuse per se, but kind of a reality that we had an SDR team that sort of disintegrated.
19:00:14 So for sure, who had joined the late? And, and then, we had a planning tech who was pretty good at tracking stuff like he was doing all the case input and treating that that
fancy wheel graph that I didn't share with with home builders.
19:00:29 And we lost that capacity to this, you know, what it's like 3 months to go down.
19:00:35 So we haven't been without a planning tech which has been really tricky because it's somebody, without a planning tech, which has been really tricky because that somebody has
to enter the cases, right?
19:00:38 So. Other people have been stepping up and basically doing a job with half. Meanwhile. So when we get the Permit Center Co and the planning tech, now we're back up to closer
to and then we're still trying to hire another permit tech as well.
19:00:52 When we get all those folks on the front end of the house. We can put more time towards tracking things.
19:01:00 More deliberately and effectively so that we could report out information like that. I think the bill's the invoices that we're going to get from that, well, we're going to
plug into that in store.
19:01:10 SIP and the other on the other side, we also have the project manager now for the Intergov tool.
19:01:14 And so as we get that, I'm holding in and we're able to switch on some of the fancy bells and whistles that I know that folks like you have been waiting for to be able to subscribe
and access information that you've been waiting for, to be able to subscribe and access information that you haven't been able to since we've turned off the t the last software that
we're using.
19:01:30 When we get that dialed in and now our private center coordinator is going to be our intergo point person.
19:01:35 So, if that's another position, sort of has had to rotate as people have left. We would previously held that position.
19:01:40 So I guess I'm trying, I'm trying to say that again, as part of not just hitting this backlog, but getting building more capacity to having more vigorous and consistent continuous
improvement program.
19:01:53 So along that same block, along the same line. Do we know financially how the legal auto record and SDR process is affecting the county as far as what the counties getting in
for revenue for those versus the amount of time they're It's being expended and is it.
19:02:10 Is the county actually going negative on? On the SDR process. What they're receiving for funds for to, something that applies for a permit.
19:02:25 Because I mean, and that's not being asked, you know, how it affects me in the industry, but that affects me in the industry, but that affects how it is for all this is kind
of taxpayers.
19:02:31 More than what it's doing to the industry is. What is it doing to the county that process?
19:02:38 I guess I would say intuitively.
19:02:41 We've probably spent more time and we were able to recuperate from permit revenues in the startup of this program and the transition is getting it rolling.
19:02:51 That's said though, overall budget wise. Our our permit revenues this year compared to other years is in the same ballpark.
19:03:00 The pandemic had record years I think it's Brent probably mentioned to And I think we're back more in the avenue of what we were experiencing before the pandemic was also just
a strange year on a number of levels.
19:03:13 Now, of course, out in the marketplace was a little bit odd in terms of, What was happening?
19:03:19 You know, interest rates raising and that have an effect and other factors building materials, priests and crisis and all the things that you think about.
19:03:25 You guys think about a lot. But even internally just with a new program where front-loading some of that land use review instead of collecting that, that permit fee together
with the building firm it like we used to do that's created a little bit of shit in how things work but of course as you know we did the transition where we did building permits concurrently
for those who wanted to apply for building permit, we have actually caught
19:03:45 up on most of the building. I forgot to mention that. I think what it was in the last trying to think roughly about 60 building permits since Greg Baller started.
19:03:55 60 and 70 building permits which is a higher pace than before so i think we pretty much caught up with the building from backlog that was associated with those SDRs.
19:04:04 That's good news. And I guess we'll know probably more when the just. I think, next year.
19:04:11 And again, we put this capacity, I think, next year. And again, we put this capacity, be able to even track this capacity, be able to even track these things, even track these
things more, in a more sophisticated manner. So that maybe I missed it.
19:04:17 Do we really have any kind of a more sophisticated. So then maybe I missed it. Do we really have any kind of a date when we know when that when that intergo system will be completely
functioning and we just still Okay.
19:04:29 I don't believe you have a good set. We have 2 individuals now. Together with our IT department that or the resident experts.
19:04:39 We got the new project manager. Keeping us on board and you know, we have created all these process maps together and functional work teams now about each different kind of
permit type.
19:04:49 So that's been an improvement and essentially she's helping us create a manual that new staff can pick up and work with because the actual manual for the tool is just way too
general so we needed something more sophisticated and tailored to what our thing is and then the database the halftime database person is really the expert who know more like that I
know what I've what I've heard him say recently is that We're a lot closer because
19:05:11 we were able to, once Munis had to go through a software update to the next version, then Enter Guff could go and we're trying to clean up the leg legacy data.
19:05:22 Unfortunately, when all the data came over from the other. From the older tool, it just didn't come over.
19:05:26 It came over in unexpected ways, which is created this whole database problem, which I couldn't even pretend to describe to you exactly with promise.
19:05:32 That's part of the problem is that I'm not a software expert. I think most of my staff are not software experts either and yet we run a sense.
19:05:40 Expected to be in some ways, you know, the way they like bigger things sell worksheet, trying to throw it in the word vice versa.
19:05:46 And yeah, I mean, I guess, this thing, you know, if we had if we had if we knew then what we know now like 3, 4 years ago, maybe we would have done some things differently in
this entire Intergov project but you know that we could just do with what we got now and move forward.
19:06:05 So I'm thinking we're just a matter of months away, but I don't even I hesitate to even say something because I'm not in control of that.
19:06:12 I'm curious who is just. In a follow up that I'd like to have it. I mean, because That information is so crucial and critical.
19:06:20 To clients and relatives and you know builders. I mean and in other areas. It's just so.
19:06:31 We've been hamstrung and it's coming up on a year and it be you know if it's a board accounting commissioner or so another committee.
19:06:40 Who could kind of alleviate. So I'm getting it almost on weekly basis from different individuals in fear of this unknown that I can't ever access information that you know used
to be at a, you know, just a click.
19:06:57 So it would be good to know when you talk about later. I know that County Administrator, Michael, is meeting with sharing.
19:07:02 And I don't want to put you her last name, but I think it's our project manager.
19:07:07 On Friday. And so I think, you know, Mark, it's probably the best obviously in terms of the higher the organization because of the.
19:07:19 I also like to say as the IT person that This is so common. First of all, you're sold a bill of goods by the software vendor you always are always happens.
19:07:31 It'll be great, we'll invert the data, life will be great, you'll move on, it'll be awesome, will help you.
19:07:36 It's always the line. It always goes badly. You just don't have Google badly. So it's very hard to plan on how to anticipate.
19:07:45 The way that it goes. And then losing key staff. In the process who were. You know, you've had, you've had to get several experts who vanish and that's really.
19:08:08 So I'm hopeful that it does, but I want everybody to know that this didn't just happen in Jefferson County.
19:08:09 I have to say every large organization that's, software and it's just. Okay. Well, I think unless there's any other questions, I'm sure with my director updates and we're on
to be, on the planet fishing vacancies unless there's something else you want to ask me about what we're talking about.
19:08:21 Okay, George. Yes, and more good news. So the interviews for the PC vacancies were conducted by Joel Peterson and Commissioner Dean for District One and Commissioner Eisenhower
for District 2.
19:08:32 One candidate did withdraw from district the district one applicant pool so that just leaves one applicant for each district. Due to some scheduling issues, the Board of County
Commissioners will deliberate on Monday, October sixteenth.
19:08:48 And at that time, they may appoint the applicants to the district one in district 2 vacant seats.
19:08:53 Is there more than one person in 2? Those interviews I believe have been conducted. Yes, they have been by the respective.
19:09:12 Commissioner. It'll be a regular session. So anyone's welcome to come, but I don't think I don't think they were sort of a question, but I don't think I don't think they were
sort of requested or required to be present.
19:09:21 It was more like a board. At this point, I think it's somewhat perfunctory. It was more like a board. At this point, I think it's somewhat perfunctory.
19:09:24 I think there's been a point in these individuals. We have some interested qualified parties. I don't wanna warm body, I wanna qualify.
19:09:45 Is it plan to question retreat? So, you may recall that you asked me. Several months ago when we talked about this when we had the idea that possibly we're gonna have a retreat
still in late summer, early fall.
19:10:01 To engage with the county commissioners and find out what they wanted to do. And I did that. I was able to talk with each commissioner.
19:10:09 About some ideas and essentially what we settled on was. Having a a combo event like a planning commission retreat.
19:10:20 On a Saturday to give us that sort of retreat feel if you will. We're picking a different Today we're setting some additional time where changing venues perhaps and so be open
ideas by the way about venues and maybe one of those venues could be in a different That's another idea, but where maybe half the meeting or so would be a joint meeting with the board.
19:10:41 So we kind of feed to 2 versions one see if you will. So we where we're focusing on January.
19:10:47 This is important because. There was a little miscommunication about the date. We're really thinking about.
19:10:52 Saturday, January twentieth. And the reason why we're thinking that is because the Saturday before is is right before a holiday.
19:11:04 MLK day. And then the last Saturday is before a fifth Monday, which is sort of an unofficial holiday for our county commissioners because they don't have their regular business
on Monday in the month.
19:11:16 So sometimes we will like to take. You know, take advantage of that, take a trip or something along weekend.
19:11:23 So we really just focused on, hey, the best day would be Saturday January twentieth. We realized though.
19:11:25 That might that day might not work for everybody. So we're basically floating that concept and maybe when we get the new commissioners will really decide whether we're going
to commit to that day or not.
19:11:34 The commissioners, our county commissioners said that with enough time that that day would work out just fine.
19:11:40 So, just maybe think about that, check the calendars, see if that's a problem.
19:11:44 If it is, then we can just move in February, really. So that was a That was where we landed on that.
19:11:51 And in terms of we could also talk more about. And you can think more about. Agenda items.
19:12:01 I mean, the main elephant in the room would be really the 2025. Here we go.
19:12:06 That's gonna be probably the main topic that we really wanna talk about. And sort of scope that we did put in our grant application to the Department of Commerce or what we're
putting it in this week.
19:12:14 I should say this the board. Approved the support letter for that. Joel did a lot of work on that project.
19:12:19 We are getting funding from from Department of Commerce for this. Update and we sort of budgeted it out.
19:12:27 Roughly we we have to divide it half between the 2 fiscal years. And so we can't front load it too much, but we can't wait too long either.
19:12:35 So it's kind of led the needle on that. In some ways I think of it like this and Joe had, you know, all the fancy diagrams that he showed before, but they give it basically
like usually we have our annual content cycle that It starts in March with the applications coming in and it ends in the first, you know, second week of December or something.
19:12:51 But since we have 2025, it's actually due mid year because of the state's fiscal year ends on June thirtieth.
19:12:57 That's when it's due in 2,025. We're basically lifting the 2025 cycle.
19:13:02 Super opposing it from July first, 2020 24 to June 30 and 2025. And for that reason, we're gonna ask, we strongly think that we should, we should not do a regular.
19:13:14 Company. And so that's gonna be a little bit of an education outreach thing that we are going to do when in 2,024 that we should let it.
19:13:24 Perspective rezone applicants say specific content amendment applicants. Know that so they can get their applications in and 2024 unless they want to wait till 2020.
19:13:33 I think that's what was done last time. Yeah, going back to the, the, it sounds like the, kind of, it's pretty important to the planning commissioners that the County Commission
were involved with this process.
19:13:47 And it looks like we have a date. That the county commissioners are comfortable with. Right, my feeling is that, we have a lot of advanced notes here.
19:14:00 And, it's probably gonna be harder to get the kind of commissioners in a role.
19:14:04 That is for us to be here well. So. I'd like to see us move. Forward on a date if they approved it.
19:14:14 Thank you. I'm good with it. As long as it's pretty far ahead, we can plan around it.
19:14:22 Nobody is currently scheduled to be inaugurated as president. No, he's currently scheduled to be inaugurated as president.
19:14:36 That are terrible for me, but I wouldn't expect us to move. Saturdays are terrible for me, but I, I didn't expect us in there.
19:14:51 That's good. Maybe. Good enough. I think we don't if we don't have a market. That's what that'll have to be.
19:15:11 One of those. It doesn't have to be a Saturday. And it also, it doesn't have to be a Saturday. So that's really just up to you to think.
19:15:15 I know that. We could pick another day, but. Any other day we pick, I imagine there might be trouble with that day too.
19:15:21 I think Friday's aren't good, you know, people got other reasons. And so I don't think that time of year Friday or anything.
19:15:30 I agree with Richard that our commissioners that's more conducive to their schedule. I would.
19:15:36 If we ask them one day better or did we just ask them.
19:15:38 We really kind of talked about that sort of the retreat idea and I think I think if this body said you know we really want Friday, January nineteenth or some other day.
19:15:48 They can go back to the producers and when they're not tired they probably would say sure. But I don't know.
19:15:54 The non work day works better for me. But I realize that's, Oh, we're never gonna find it perfect dead, so we just gotta pull the trigger.
19:16:10 Well, I'd say the twentieth of January.
19:16:15 Okay. Good.
19:16:20 Oh, great. Now you got laser fish. Yes, more good news. More than once this year.
19:16:27 I know we've talked about the frustrations experienced by not just public but us with accessing laser fish.
19:16:34 Thanks to the hard work of people like Alex and possibly even Alex who's determined that box. We're infiltrating laser fish and trawling it and creating access issues and all
of the headaches that we've all been encountering.
19:16:49 And the solution for that was determined to be creating an authentication process for a password, a username and password.
19:16:58 So you'll be asked for those 2 things. It will always be the word public, lowercase p for both username and password for gaining access to laser features now with our hope being
that that solves all of the weird access and files getting placed in inaccessible places and things.
19:17:17 So. I know I was excited to get it this news. It worked great today. Yeah, just went through it.
19:17:23 Yeah, lovely. I didn't expect to see it, but it tells you, hopefully the boss aren't listening right now.
19:17:28 Well, my question is, one of the other problems I've had with the laser fish is that links that staff put in documents to things in laborers are fish either to a folder or to
a file in a folder.
19:17:52 Often don't work the same for us on the outside as they work for them on the inside.
19:18:00 I know what you're talking about. And additionally, and this is based on the staff says, I don't have any way to know this from the outside.
19:18:11 There's something about when they link. Not that if they have a full path all the way into this month or this week.
19:18:24 For some reason it'll, click on that link and then it'll dump us to the very top, which is we have to go community development and then, so that to me.
19:18:36 I know how to do that and it's a pain in the ass. I can hold it. My butt.
19:18:42 I don't know what's the nice way to say. And but but for the public that deeply concerns me because how would the public know?
19:18:49 That when they're looking at a directory structure that they have to go through a 6 layer long path and so I don't know if those are 2 problems or one.
19:18:58 Whether the getting the path when you're inside the system causes the second problem which is the, the links dump you to the top and don't actually take you down the path.
19:19:11 Or whether those are actually 2 different problems. I'm not clear, but they are both problems for us.
19:19:22 Hey, I see. Yeah, you laser phase, look at agendas. Meetings.
19:19:29 So like I write to DCD, yes. So I've also tested that problem because I know about it and.
19:19:36 It appears to be which browser you're using. Okay, and that changes how those links work.
19:19:45 I don't I don't work on the website. If you're having problems, I had problems on fire.
19:19:54 This is So I don't know. If I had the capacity to solve that with the in-house that would do it, but you know this is a it's the laser fish system is accounting system.
19:20:30 I've asked about it. Our IT folks are stressed about other kinds of things. We try to get their attention, like Alex is trying to work on it.
19:20:36 I don't know what the solution is. We, if I, if we had a central services.
19:20:40 Director right now I can ask that person but we don't have all right now so we're just understood after that.
19:20:47 So I appreciate your fish. Fear away for you. You know, when I go in to try to, by the way, when I go in and try to like upload something, I do exactly what you just said. I
have to do that.
19:20:56 Yeah. I go to the internal. I have to click everything. Every single time or if I change the website after I have to do it every single time.
19:21:02 Is very concerning to me because I work with people and I know how. How. How their brains work in a situation like that.
19:21:11 They have no idea what they're looking at, what it, how it works, how would they, check with the commissioner's office because they do agenda all the time.
19:21:18 How did they do? Are they doing it differently than we're doing it? My question is, is there a way in your system when you're logged in your system, is there a way for you to
access a browser from the outside, is there a way for you to access a browser from the outside like all of the rest of us do to get your system? Is there a way for you to access a browser
from the outside?
19:21:37 Like all of the rest of us do to get a URL from the outside? I can tell you that when I did, when I did that email to you, I did not use the internal laser piece.
19:21:39 Program I went to a browser it was chrome And I went into the way the public would access that.
19:21:46 And I, and I, and I put a link and I currently work for Richard. If it didn't work for you, I don't know.
19:21:54 So I don't know. I guess but I'm also signing in as an internal user to the search.
19:22:01 I'd have to pretend to be someone on the outside to get a different link. I'm also signing in as an internal user to the serve.
19:22:05 So I'd have to pretend to be someone on the outside to get a different link and is that what I would do?
19:22:07 I mean, I'd, I'd use the, fish from a public computer and. It's different every time.
19:22:10 And it's very frustrating. I agree. It's very helpful. Unfortunately, save a lot of money to fix it.
19:22:21 Let's stop time. It looks like the last time is a, schedule of proposed upcoming meetings.
19:22:29 Yeah, okay, so this I sent this out in an email a while ago to. And here it is again.
19:22:37 This is what we're what we're thinking is we have a regularly scheduled meeting to start the deliberations on the SNP.
19:22:44 If you end up finishing on deliberations. Great. Then we don't need to hold a special meeting.
19:22:49 If we don't finish those, we would suggest holding another meeting in October. And it's October 20 fifth to to continue those S and P, deliberations.
19:23:01 And try to reach the recommendation that. So I guess that's a sort of, wait and see kind of approach.
19:23:07 That's what our suggestion is. We do, would really like to keep to the other part of the schedule though, which is the reason why I'd be nice to finish off the SNP.
19:23:16 Again, not Not necessarily necessary if it's so complex or what have you that we go into November, then so be it, but we'd still like to the reason why we want to stick to this
comprehensive plan on them is schedule in November is because it's tied to when we're supposed to finish that which is which is says in our code is the second week in December.
19:23:36 So we really wanna advertise. For our November first hearing on the conference and plan amendment cycle. And then at that point we would.
19:23:45 Really suggest actually moving up the November meeting. So instead of a normal third Wednesday to move it to the second Wednesday and again the reason why we would do that.
19:23:54 Is to see if we can reach. I recommend in order to meet the schedule. As we have to absolutely have to.
19:24:02 Put before the board a decision package for the compound memo cycle. But for the end of the year, otherwise we get victual.
19:24:08 Cause we, you know, and we have the main things are the 3 site specifics. We've got the mild sand and gravel that you know.
19:24:15 We essentially,
19:24:19 Try to accommodate their interest in hours. By putting that back into this cycle. And so we'd really like to hit that.
19:24:28 And on that note, I did wanna mention just briefly here that. In order to get this cycle through.
19:24:33 We were focusing on the 3 site specifics, the UDC package, we've paired down to a dozen items.
19:24:40 And then on the housing side. You might recall at the beginning of the year. I suggest that, hey, let's bite off some things that we can chew.
19:24:48 And then save the rest for next year. And it turns out that for a variety of reasons, we collectively.
19:24:54 Of did off more than we could choose on the housing idea, right? A lot of great discussion, a lot of great ideas and Joel's been working.
19:25:01 I know with Matt on a lot of ideas and others. But we're not, we don't have what we need to push that through in the pump plan cycle.
19:25:09 That's the bad news. The good news is that we said, okay, are there any policies in the comp plan?
19:25:14 Does it call plan cycle that need to be changed? And we feel strongly that the compound policies are there, like especially venue school, G 4, and mentions, affordable housing,
this and that.
19:25:25 So we feel like the content is actually pretty good. So it's really this setup, very specific development regulations.
19:25:30 And so what we're proposing is that we already had an idea to basically do the rest of what we would like to do.
19:25:38 For a UDC omnibus package of fixes and so on. Together with some ideas.
19:25:43 From our consultant, BERT, after the with Shirley master program update process happens to revisit some very specific things within our critical areas recordings to make sure
that they resonate with the new SNP and we fixed a few things that were left hanging when there was a little bit of a rush and the adoption of the last group.
19:26:02 There is so we already had a mind a package like that. So we're, we're saying that in the first quarter.
19:26:06 Of 2024 before we really get into the heart of the 2,025 periodic update.
19:26:11 The 2,044 cop plan cycle which would include the UTA zoning if you recall. That we would do a development.
19:26:19 Amendment, a, a, a,, a,, a,,,, of, 2024, in the first quarter or so because that can be outside of the cycle.
19:26:27 So that's what we're proposing to do. And that gives you extra time to Perfect. The package that you want to move forward for some of the regulatory changes associated with
the housing.
19:26:39 Looks like this year anyway, it looks like these are very doable numbers. I in the past we've been delivered and finished collaboration in a couple hours.
19:26:48 Well, I expect we'll be able to finish it on October eighteenth. And, and then we can.
19:26:54 We'll be from there. You need to you need to set up the October 20 fifth meeting in June paper.
19:27:03 We would. We would do whatever it takes to advertise for public opinion. I think what would happen is You would decide on October eighteenth.
19:27:11 Yes, you're essentially extending a meeting and we'll do the, we don't need to.
19:27:17 So that's enough paper. Okay. You're on your thing. I'll double check that.
19:27:20 But I think we just need to do everything put on the website, notice on the door, it's part of the record.
19:27:24 Question. My question is if you wanna schedule it on the 22 and cancel it. That, to do.
19:27:30 And that's kind of you guys. If you wanna, if you wanted to take that vote on that now, for example, or just decide.
19:27:42 24Â h, 48. I mean, you know, I, I think it's more like that.
19:27:46 I think for these types of meetings, it's not a public hearing. I mean, you know, I think I think it's more like that.
19:27:54 And I think I think it's more like that. And I think, I think it's more like that.
19:28:06 And I think for these types of meetings, it's not a public hearing. So it's a public meeting and you just need to notice like a certain number of hours before. I think the people
that are interested. Yeah.
19:28:11 And we do have an interested and we send on an email. I think the people are gonna be paying attention on October teeth and they'll probably the ones are fully engaged will
know that, hey, you know, this thing is gonna go to another meeting or we're gonna extend this meeting essentially to the 20 fifth.
19:28:18 So. You feel pretty good about going to the newspaper. Okay, man, just a quick question. Can, can I call you or who's the best person to talk to to get like the housing update
you I'd love to.
19:28:34 Make sure I have all the info correct about like. The idea is and also I mean, I understand why and all that stuff.
19:28:42 I feel like it's important not stop working on it because it's bigger than we think it is.
19:28:47 Even in the last meeting, I'll be expressed a concern about one thing or another. And I said, Hey, your concerns are like, you know, let's bring them on early.
19:28:55 And so just to have more of a chance to voice more concerns and you know. Gonna beat it up more and refine it more and did you hear with the prosecutor,s thinking, to hear what
commissioners are thinking I have a lot of inquiries out that are UN returned.
19:29:14 Not. Well, You know, just asking, you know, the commissioners can't give me, nobody can give me info and I feel like people in the community are counting on me to know what's
going on.
19:29:26 Okay, so I would say that you're first choice because you've been working with Joel is Joel, he's the one who's got his whose finger on the poles of those regul I will I will
say this to a man.
19:29:35 I'll talk to him tomorrow. He was out for a while. He's been back in action the last couple of weeks.
19:29:39 And without missing much time, so. I would say start there and if you can't reach them just call me.
19:29:48 I know it's always been the best I can. I know there's a lot. Okay.
19:29:53 And I will say just real briefly, I know we're getting real close to the end. Speaking of housing, I know we're getting real close to the end.
19:29:57 Speaking of housing, the housing forum tomorrow, that's little housing, Jeff's and County Association of Realtors is hosting, right?
19:30:03 But they're sent from 10 to 2 intended to chat. We'll be there as well as others.
19:30:10 And there's some good news. I guess I'll just send you quickly. There's some good news happening, you know, in the realm of housing.
19:30:20 So even though this is this idea and the package, the only code is delayed a little bit from what we originally thought of again. We've got all these housing things happening.
19:30:44 We've been needing, we've have to have, and the zoom is coming online what else was I gonna say?
19:30:46 This is just a period. We got the housing element that we start really chewing on for the for the periodic update.
19:30:54 You GA zoning when you crack back open. Brent's been meeting with developers to find out more about what they see, what are their needs, what are they looking at doing, and
then what would they, what we pencil for them to do, a variety of housing in the new UGA with the sewer service and and so forth.
19:31:07 So we've that's going to inform. Brent's talking about a chip grant. In front of the board potential candidates for that which would provide a funding for sewer hook up for
some of those housing providers, not just habitat but others in baseline housing and so forth.
19:31:22 In the, And so anyway, all that stuff is happening. Yes. And also Josh, isn't there also discussion about that sewer extension in, Glencove from the city.
19:31:32 That's another one that is will be good for business. Jobs, 6 and 8 of the Jefferson County Planning Commission's bylaws will end up with in October, 2 says meetings of the
planning commissioner subject to the open public meetings act.
19:31:50 Notification of all meetings shall be made through advertisement on a local newspaper record with county by circulation.
19:31:59 So it doesn't say how far ahead, but. The newspaper record is a. Thank you. I guess I'll just click on those 2 different things.
19:32:14 So. We when I was talking about the 24Â h notice that is open. When you said the other thing that's like extra thing.
19:32:22 I'm sorry. I, I, I think, we're okay on this. Yeah, I think we're okay.
19:32:29 And we can discuss this after the meeting. This is a DCD thing, I think.