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HomeMy WebLinkAboutclosed_caption09:00:50 Yeah. 09:01:02 You like this little sitcom sometimes? Most days. 09:01:12 90'clock, porting is okay. 09:01:16 Good morning, everyone. I will call this October ninth meeting or the board county commissioners to order. Happy indigenous people today today. 09:01:27 We'll have bless you a proclamation after we're done with public comment but we will start as we always do with public comment, but we will start as we always do with public comment and for folks, joining us today, we'll listen to all public comment, but we will start as we always do with public comment and for folks joining us today, we'll listen to all public comments and then respond collectively 09:01:38 after we've heard public comments and we'll keep it open at 9 30. So is there anyone in the room that like to make public comment? 09:01:45 Good morning. Good morning. I'm James Carantino with Port Townsend Cress. I'm here today to make sure the commissioners got the invitation that was sent over your county email, to inviting you to one or all of the events we're gonna be holding around the county with citizens who are contacting us and asking for information on the proposed, aquatic, new product center here in Port 09:02:10 Townsend. And the proposed taxes that are being proposed for being county wide. The first is scheduled for October nineteenth at the Kulsing Community Center. 09:02:20 CPM, excuse me, community center at 6 PM. Being organized. Dear Head Deli and other citizens down there and we're going to be presenting information from the 316 page packet. 09:02:35 That has been delivered which is the executive summary you've got on September, fifth and all that this all the reports. 09:02:43 In the minutes of the steering committee meetings, etc, etc. The second that has been scheduled so far is November, the sixteenth at California at the California clubhouse. 09:02:56 And, you can find this on our Facebook page. And there's 2 others that I'm waiting to hear from the citizens in other locations. 09:03:05 They're being in the works right now. Probably. It is our hope that these to go through and provide information that wasn't presented at the town hall. 09:03:14 Town halls and this information to the county. That didn't receive any outreach whatsoever from the steering committee in this process yet. 09:03:22 Bozel is to tax them. There's a lot of information that there's a lot of things that are not there. 09:03:27 For instance, what is the true total cost of this? I noticed in the executive summary you got it said, 37.1 million for the construction plus your hard and soft cost. 09:03:37 But that doesn't include the financing cost. And in the steering committee notes they it's clear they're looking at a 20 year bond and they used an outdated interest rate of 4.5%. 09:03:48 That's 20 million dollars in interest. But that's outdated. You're looking at 5.3 to 5.5 now. 09:03:52 For violence this was pushes it pushes it over 23 mill making this a 60 million dollar project and we're hoping that the commissioners or Mr. McCauley who's been in the Steering Committee might come and answer questions about this. 09:04:05 What the actual. Total interest payments would be and any other costs that are not reported in there also. 09:04:14 Why the public's not being told this. Another question that can't be answered from this huge packet is about these proposed turf fields. 09:04:23 And HA. Carol Park was just popped up at the last minute. There's no dollar figure in there. 09:04:27 Is the cost for those which could be a million dollars if you're doing a football field or a soccer field. 09:04:32 Does that come out of the pool? What does that do to the feasibility? Studies? 09:04:37 How does this thing pencil that if you're gonna add these expensive fields in? Last, this lodging tax that is needed can only be imposed upon those accommodations with more than 40 units. 09:04:48 It's different committee minutes indicate that there's 5 including 2 campgrounds in the county that would be subject to this. 09:04:55 What are they? Perhaps you would tell us because they have to come up with 25 million dollars in gross revenue. 09:05:01 To raise that $500,000. You're welcome to these and any other events. Thank you very much. 09:05:07 Thank you, Mr. Okay, anyone with us online that would like to make public comment today? And hit raise hand or star 9 if you're on the phone. 09:05:18 Love to hear from you. 09:05:23 Alright. Seeing no one will keep public comment open and turn to Heidi. Any response to that? I have a question. 09:05:41 When, when you say our, you said our number of times, sounds like you're talking about an entity, like a website I could review where this information is posted. 09:05:49 The best link you can find is on the city's web page. Which is called the Final Report. 09:05:54 And, and, the last entry. There's 316 pages there. 4,000 free presses. Yeah. And that's okay. 09:06:04 Okay, I, I just, I, oh, that's the, that's one. You were saying our, our, our art. 09:06:09 I was like, what's the? How would be 4 Town Centre? Okay. And the citizens in the communities will work. Great. Thank you. 09:06:13 Okay. Alright, thanks. Thank you. Anything else? 09:06:20 I mean, I've been also receiving a number of questions about this. I don't remember receiving an invitation to these meetings, a formal invitation, maybe it came across our, was it sent to Jeff VOCC? 09:06:36 Yeah, it's on, I'm sorry. It's a webpage says to send an email that reaches all commissioners. 09:06:38 Okay. Some time ago I said, okay, okay. And then you may not have gotten it. 09:06:43 Okay. Okay, I also didn't receive it, but, you know, sometimes those, I don't know, they usually filter through. 09:06:53 So I'll take another look for it. Appreciate the invitation. 19. I know that I'm hosting shore, so I will not be able to attend, but I'll keep the. 09:07:00 I see if I can get put the sixteenth into my. Calendar, you know, appreciate the, I guess the approach everyone's taking and I think it's still early, you know, as you know, the steps to a PFD, which I didn't even know that they had a specific turf field addition in Metropolitan Park District Discussion that 09:07:34 If we broaden the size of the NPD and included a county. Do service area. Might make you know a county wide amenities was to make the PFD more palatable. 09:07:51 So that could be also. It is in your executive summer. Yeah, you know, county wide amenities was to make the PFT more palatable. So that could be also. 09:08:00 It is in your executive summer. Yeah, thank you. Not on the first couple of pages. It is in your executive summer. Yeah, thank you. Not on the first couple of pages, but it is in your executive summer. Yeah. Thank you. 09:08:04 Not on We're each set. I just can't tell at all our committees. I'm 24 to 31 committees or issues. 09:08:10 So, you know, we all have a big full plate and so I haven't read all the details of it, but I have read quite a bit. 09:08:16 That's been in the newspaper and haven't been to any of the steering committee meetings. 09:08:23 Yeah, I'll try to come up. I've read the articles on the, the free press period, you know, still keeping abreast of the situation and you know, the decision, the big decision in front of us, I think, will be whether or not we. 09:08:37 Put it to a vote of the people. If it's a PFD that they ultimately choose, I've counseled against that. 09:08:46 And I think then the big question is when do the when does this election happen if it's a special election just by itself you know would cost a hundred $10,000 and I'm wondering if you pay that. 09:09:00 I think so. Do you know who was gonna pay for that? I think so. Do you know who was gonna pay for that? I've asked the question. 09:09:08 Okay. I've asked the question. Okay. I've asked the question. Okay. 09:09:12 I've asked the question. Okay. Answer forthcoming. I'm certainly not too interested in this, the counting, absorbing that cost for the election. 09:09:15 But you know, I encourage folks that, Oppose it, I believe my neighbor is one of the organizers of the Quill scene meeting and I will, continue to follow and follow it and stay abreast of the situation and I. 09:09:25 You know, I've said it for, I think I, tend to agree with the analysis. That we're going to see at these at these meetings. 09:09:35 Yeah, thank you. Yep. Alright, I'll open this up. Thank you. 09:09:41 Yeah. Anyone else in the public like to make public comment today? 09:09:52 Alright, well we will keep public comment open until 9 30. 09:09:58 And, we'll wait, certainly for our proclamation until 9 30 as well. 09:10:04 But we can take a look at a fairly substantial. Consent agenda. Oh, and I do want to say that the Commissioner Dean will not be with us today if she is her, the statewide board of health meeting. 09:10:16 And is not able to be in 2 places at one time. 09:10:21 So thoughts questions about the consent agenda hiding? These 2 membrane bioreactor waste water treatment plan for the Port Had Lock Store is real. It's real. 09:10:35 It's getting real people. I mean, a V is gonna build it, right? So I think it's the installation, right? 09:10:42 It says. Oh no, I think it's the whole thing. 09:10:50 No, it's for the whole thing. Destruction. Oh no, it's the canopy building. 09:10:57 The treatment center is. Furnished by, but the building that goes in and the administration building. Yeah, Sorry. 09:11:05 Yeah. 09:11:08 Yeah, great news. 09:11:13 And you know, lots of public works on there. Couple of 1 million dollars here, a couple 1 million dollars there. 09:11:18 We were just on the West End at our community meeting and I think they really did appreciate Eric's presentation. 09:11:25 About all the public works projects and there's a big one here on oil city road and upper whole road they're getting into bidding will engineering. 09:11:38 Looks like we're adding capacity to laser fish. Is that what this? 09:11:45 I don't know this seem to, I think it's adding more data to laser fees. 09:11:53 Laser features all used up seemed a little counter indicated from some of the other things. Wouldn't be saying. 09:11:58 Well, but any more demand on licenses, but. What we have is an access database. It's not. 09:12:06 And upgrading for one version to another version of access is a risky endeavor and rather than rely on. 09:12:16 System for tracking. Documents. We want to migrate. To our enterprise document management system, and we got a grant from the secretary of state to pay for the work. 09:12:28 Right. And so. We believe this is a good move. 09:12:34 Now as it relates to licenses for laser fish, we're looking in the increasing the number, available, so members of the public are confronted with that message saying, wait your turn, when someone gets off you can get on kind of thing. 09:12:50 Meeting to talk about. Local storage because, 09:12:55 In some applications, we'll have some storage. Right. And like I mentioned last week, we're migrating barracuda to the cloud, which will free up local space and they need to identify other candidates for migration to the cloud. 09:13:09 Cause terabytes have a large data center. Much cheaper than terabytes here. Yeah, data adds up fast, especially above the video. I'm all in favor. 09:13:19 I mean, we've seen that what happens when we don't get data. Converted appropriately or if we wait too long. 09:13:23 So absolutely in favor of it. It just. And actually we have room for it. 09:13:26 Yeah. 09:13:28 Good to see the, I guess it was just an adjustment to the chickeny forest. We're in a real change, right? 09:13:34 Decision. Excellent to see a new to be able to point a new member to the noxious weed board. 09:13:42 Yeah, really happy that Dr. Thomas Backman is. Stepped up. Great. 09:13:50 So what we just have 1. One left. Just for 4. No sign up, man. 09:13:59 Ready to go, actually. So, okay. Hey, Jen. If you had questions about that. 09:14:04 Oh, we'd love to, yeah, come up to the microphone. We love you here. It's an actual, yeah. 09:14:12 So what we have is we have 3,000 physical boxes in the storage. And so what we have is we have 3,000 physical boxes in the storage. And the database that organized that. Yeah. 09:14:27 And so this is just basically a straw man. And, and so this is just basically a straw man and laser fishes. Yeah. 09:14:31 And so this is just basically a straw man in laser fishes won't take up any And that helps the roadmap. 09:14:32 Yeah, okay. Right. Nope, looks good. I will move to approve the consent agenda for October ninth, 2023. 09:14:47 And call the question all in favor of approving the consent agenda as presented indicate by saying aye. Aye. 09:14:54 Alright, that is done. I'll turn back to. The public and see if anyone else has moved to comment today. 09:15:04 We would love to hear from you. 09:15:09 See anyone raising their hand? Get it raise hand? Star 9 if you're on the phone. Alright, well, we got a busy day, so let's take this opportunity to dig into briefing and maybe even calendaring and if anyone is moved, please raise your hand and we'll keep an eye out and bring you over. 09:15:26 You wanna take a look back maybe? 09:15:36 I'm sure. Let's see. So last week, It was with here with you all on Monday. 09:15:47 And Wednesday and Thursday. Chief Strategy Officer, Brent Butler to talk about outreach regarding what had like urban growth area zoning, kind of all as part of the phase one sewer boundary work and the question of, warehousing can be built within that phase one boundary. 09:16:14 And so I think we're gonna. Coordinate a couple of community outreach meetings to come. 09:16:21 Good morning. And then on Tuesday, I spent most of the day with my marrying resources colleagues. 09:16:36 Doing interviews for a couple of vacant positions and we had a number of great applicants and we will have new appointments. 09:16:46 The Marine Resources Committee and Short order. Nice. Yeah, really great folks. Raising their hands and coming to the table. 09:16:53 And then that evening, Tuesday evening, I had the, meeting. And then on Wednesday and Thursday, we were all in. 09:17:04 Budget workshop meetings, 2024, 25. And budget departmental presentations for the budget. 09:17:13 So I think all the work now is on. Over there. It's got to deal. The place still got stuff on it. 09:17:23 Yeah. We gotta do the board, county administrator budget. And I'm meeting with staff tomorrow, plan that out. 09:17:33 So probably Monday or next week. 09:17:35 And then I popped into the WASAC federal issues and relations committee or, priority setting. 09:17:46 We were working on setting our priorities. Friday morning, I kicked off the morning with 3 back to back meetings, one with Mark and our consultant helping with Intergov. 09:17:55 Super impressive. Woman and project management. Deep in project management experience clearly is what we need on this. 09:18:04 Process at this point and. We came up with a few next steps. But I, you know, I was trying to get to when are the when our customers gonna be able to look at their permanent information online and we're probably still. 09:18:18 6 to 8 months out from that really being functional is what Sherry said but We have a number of near term and interim steps that will. 09:18:28 Make this whole process much more functional and it sounds like there were just some parts of it that were really effectively transitioned and other parts that weren't. 09:18:38 And so we really need the whole thing to be. So, they tune on that print. We're gonna have a meeting with the core team about. 09:18:49 This integrate transition and Mark's gonna work with IT regarding our current storage capacity issues. And then we're meeting with the key consultant to talk about the migration and. 09:19:04 Cleaning of the data. That needs to happen. So let's see with us. And then we had our Jefferson Transit Finance Committee meeting after that. 09:19:15 And then I had, a meeting with DNR, a number of DNR staff about. 09:19:21 Dabab, a natural area expansion. That's not the current expansion. It's the future potential expansion. 09:19:28 So, they're just badly turning their heads to look at that. Opportunity. And then I left for the West End. 09:19:37 And was what you guys all out there. For our evening meeting. At the whole travel center. 09:19:46 Not a great meeting. Alright, thank you very much, Heidi, and I'll just let our guests know we'll do the proclamation right at 9 30 so we'll just finish up our public comment and. 09:19:57 Kill time but really really glad that you guys are here. Are you both in the P camel's phone? 09:20:05 My week was very similar to Heidi's with you all here on Monday and then rushed out to a recompete meeting. 09:20:16 As we really scrambled for letters of sports. Yeah, quite a few compliments about some of the letters of support from, Jefferson County. 09:20:24 They were very specific and directed and Thank you, Chat GPT. And then Tuesday, you know, it was letters of support all day long and, finalizing the. 09:20:41 Applications. On Wednesday and Thursday budget meetings with everyone here. I thought they were fantastic. You know, lot of good. 09:20:53 It's always great to get kind of behind, behind the veil, just with some of the departments that we don't have a lot of interface with are doing and planning and yeah so 2 year every 2 year deal and so yeah so 2 year every 2 year deal and so that can happen. Right. Or not happen or not happen. Yeah, as the case. 09:21:11 Yeah. And then more we compete Wednesday evening Thursday was also budget and then went out to catch the end of the parks and rack volunteer appreciation at HTTP Park and that was lovely. 09:21:24 I missed most of the big The big group, but I guess they had 30, 40 people there. And they're volunteers and Pencil Trails was there as well. 09:21:32 Went to meet the constituents after that and then in the morning met with a Couple of folks from OH 3 a about you know the see a nutrition contract being canceled with all the cap and some of the ramifications. 09:21:48 That's got a lot of closure for myself. More we compete stuff and then pretty early in the afternoon headed out to the West End for our community outreach meeting of Tribal Center. 09:22:04 I would say not a lot of people were there, not the fewest of any of our meetings. I think that's for Townsend try area. 09:22:16 And it was a really great conversation. I thought. Yeah, super dynamic and we had folks from Greek Clearwater and Oil City and the hose. 09:22:20 So it was we had the right people in the room that had a lot of knowledge to I love the one story about the assessor. 09:22:24 Having to go, praise a property by canoe and found no people living there only horses and a guy that would have been feeding the horses with the meeting and Andy Davis was there with Sinn Fein. 09:22:41 Animal rescue getting the horses off and to a to a safe place. So yeah, the whole evening. 09:22:45 That's how I remember the evening is lots of connected conversations that were pretty rich. So good. Good times and that was my week. 09:22:55 Mark you wanna I know it's probably with us in budget all week, but you wanna take us through your last week? 09:23:02 Right, Monday with the board. On Tuesday. I'm sorry. 09:23:11 I had senior management, team meeting followed by, risk management. And then, they took the audit team. 09:23:22 And, Bart Ferguson, Judy Shepherd, Brenda Hunting of Ford and, Noimi from, our team account to celebrate that flying a lot of result. 09:23:34 On the financial side. Excellent. And then Wednesday and Thursday, budget meetings all day. On Friday. 09:23:47 My weekly with, no actually, you know, it's, Sherry and Heidi. 09:23:54 And, and, and, and, they've covered that meeting pretty well. A very deep dive into and all the issues. 09:24:01 Left at 110'clock, I traveled to the West End and the community outreach meeting the 6. 09:24:07 Okay. All right. 09:24:14 Anyone else? Go back to the public who got 6 min left in public comment? Would anyone like to may? 09:24:24 Yeah, Alright, we'll keep it up until 9 30 and take a quick look forward before we welcome our guests up at 9 30 for a park nation celebrating indigenous Do you want me already? 09:24:41 Yes, please. So I would say I was just looking back briefly, my high point of last week was I, crawled in today. 09:24:49 It was so sunny on Saturday afternoon. And hot down on the bay. That was like. I'm getting in the bank. 09:24:59 My friends, we all got into bed and it was just so fun. It was just Summer continues. 09:25:07 So that was Saturday and then, Let's see, today obviously here with you guys and then. 09:25:15 I am planning on going out to the solid waste artist and residency reveal this. Yeah. Tomorrow we have a check in about the CREAT drainage district. 09:25:31 I'm meeting with, some of our staff over at DCD about planning for our . A. 09:25:39 Meeting in Port Had luck coming up I have tourism coordinating council in the afternoon. And then I'm going to the Chemicals School Library open house, later in the afternoon tomorrow. 09:25:53 Wednesday morning we have, okay, Wednesday morning we have. A meeting of our leadership team for the Olympic Peninsula Tourism Master Plan project. 09:26:05 I am having a discussion with Anna Mcinry and. Aslin Palmer about the behavioral advisory committee. 09:26:16 And just so we're sure that we always have a quorum for that so we're coming up with the strategy. 09:26:24 I'm gonna have my best moments of the week, Wednesday afternoon with my goddaughter Lila and then. 09:26:31 I might be going to another Olympic Peninsula tourism master plan meeting. That evening. 09:26:38 And then Thursday I have a meeting with a constituent to talk about LTAC. And Friday all day I have a community foundation retreat. 09:26:49 Oh, that's my week ahead. I can go quickly, fairly light on the scheduled items actually. 09:26:58 I will also be joining you and my family is joining too to go to the art installation unveiling at the solid waste transfer station. 09:27:04 We can't wait to see it. Tomorrow. I think I might have a phantom of a meeting for the left one retirement meeting, which I think has been moved to next Tuesday, but I'll have to double check on that. 09:27:15 The meeting with Cambridge, Corney, and we have the Bill C. Brandon and Power Teams coalition Tuesday afternoon. 09:27:21 On Wednesday the eleventh I have a workup board meeting the clean air agency preceded by the finance committee meeting. 09:27:29 That chair is the vice chair. And then, headed out to make dinner for my folks in Tacoma before school Wednesday, afternoon. 09:27:38 And then Thursday and Friday, I strangely have nothing on my schedule right now. So on Saturday I'm going down to the. 09:27:45 Brendan Canal tracks, HOA meeting to talk with them about issues. 09:27:49 And that I will be probably not entirely surprised but I can I don't know exactly what we're gonna be talking about. 09:27:56 And that is my week. Mark, can you take take us through your upcoming week? Can do. 09:28:05 Oh, that's the, orca finance. Okay, yeah, I don't think we have accounting. 09:28:11 Okay, well today with board. So tomorrow, 9 I'm meeting with, Phil to talk about ramping up the fire marshal program. 09:28:23 To do getting that function up and running fully. And then the Chima Creek, Greenage District check in that, you mentioned. 09:28:33 Then I'm meeting with Carolyn and Judy Shepherd to talk about BOCC and County Administrator budgets. 09:28:40 And then 18 meeting at 20'clock in the afternoon. And I also. 09:28:50 Then on Wednesday. Get the stitches out. I'm excited about that. Then 10'clock, the North Olympic. 09:28:59 Let mes let's say any manager county administrator. Gotcha session, then I will finally be able to attend one of the child care. 09:29:09 I'm and health care. On Thursday, I'm involved with. Complete interviews for the fleet manager. 09:29:24 Couple of candidates to interview and I'm hoping that one of them will meet our standards. We've been replaced with Johnson and West. 09:29:33 At the end of August. Friday. I'm attending the Cindy Brooks, our EDC, executive director, she has a CEO breakfast periodically. 09:29:49 Chief executives in my weekly with Josh and then, amount of time to get some administrator work done. 09:29:58 That's it for me. Alright. Excellent. Thank you, Mark. 09:30:02 Make one last call for public comment. Is anyone with us that would like to make public comment and hit raise hand or star 9 if you're on the phone. 09:30:13 Alright, so you know what I will close public comment and we will move into our recognition of an indigenous people day to day and thank you so much to members of the James Downs Clow and and, Port Gamble's Clown Tri that have joined us today and our usual practice is to read the proclamation, adopt it, and then invite you guys up to share any thoughts or hopefully a song. 09:30:36 Would be lovely. I don't know, but really appreciate your being with us today. Shall we. 09:30:42 Shall we jump into it? Yeah, you guys you guys were your last year too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and One is, from the James. 09:30:54 Thanks so much. 09:30:55 Okay, so. Cool. No, this was my chief civil deputy prosecuting attorney. Alright, so we will. 09:31:29 Oh, great. Welcome. There is the Maka Tribe as well. We are just jumping in today. 09:31:36 Thanks so much for being here. We're going to, do the proclamation and adopt it and then we will turn it over to our travel, neighbors and partners, to, hopefully sing a song and really, really glad that you're here. 09:31:51 Literally our neighbors literally are there. Oh yeah. Somebody literally across the street. Alright. 09:32:00 Why don't I go first and second? And this is a proclamation officially recognizing Monday, October ninth, 2023 as Indigenous peoples day in order to promote respect and represent in order to promote respect and representation to honor and celebrate the rich culture and treaty rights of indigenous people to combat prejudice and discrimination and to promote healing from the violence of American colonization of Indigenous peoples and their 09:32:23 land. Whereas Jefferson County, Washington recognizes its boundaries occupy the ancestral lands of the Skews, Crowon, Killute, Ho, Quinalt, and Skokomus Tribal Nations, and that other travel peoples have resided, travel through and camped in these lands since time and memorial and whereas the county seat port towns it is located on ancestral lands of the 09:32:46 Skelons, CET, Fland, called the area Katai. Whereas Jefferson County honors the point no point in Quinaut River Treaties as well as historic rights of tribes of sovereign nations. 09:32:55 Additionally, we participate in good faith consultation and government to government relations and whereas the county values the many contributions indigenous people have made to our community values the many contributions indigenous people have made to our community with their knowledge philosophy arts and the deep cultural influences which have shaped our county and Where as Jefferson County recognizes that systemic racism towards indigenous peoples perpetuates high rates of poverty, income inequality. 09:33:20 health, health, education, and social crises and endeavors to remove these barriers and whereas recent events such as the Covid-nineteen pandemic have shed light on the persistent structural racism in this country. 09:33:33 Resulting in disparities in health outcomes suffered by black, indigenous, and people of color by Fox and Whereas the idea of Indigenous People's Day was first proposed in 1977 to the United Nations sponsored international conference on discrimination against indigenous populations in the Americas and Whereas in 2,011 the affiliated tribes of Northwest Indians representing 59 tribal nations past resolution 1157 to support to change Columbus Day to 09:34:04 Indigenous People's Day and thank God. Whereas Jefferson County joins a growing number of counties that have recognized the second Monday of October as Indigenous People's Day, creating an opportunity to promote learning, healing, appreciation, understanding, friendship and partnership among all peoples. 09:34:20 Now therefore, be it resolved that the Jefferson County Board of County Commissioners does hereby proclaim the second Monday in October, 2,023 as Indigenous peoples day in Jefferson County and encourage all the celebrate thriving cultures and values of the indigenous peoples of our region to learn more about the history of Indigenous peoples and their cultures and to continue efforts to promote the wellbeing 09:34:41 of our indigenous communities. Approve this night day of October, 2,023. 09:34:44 All right, yes. Well, I welcome a motion. I would move to approve this proclamation for October ninth being indigenous people say. 09:34:57 Great, I'm happy to second. And I know that Kate Dean who really did most most of the invitation to coordinate. 09:35:05 She really wanted to be here. She has to be at a state border health meeting today. That's the only thing I think could have dragged her away because this is I believe her favorite day of the year. 09:35:12 All right, it's been moved in seconded to approve October ninth as Indigenous People's Day. 09:35:19 2023. All in favor indicate by saying aye. Aye. Great. 09:35:23 Yes, thank you so much for being here and I guess we'll work with the poor. Gamble Slow, would you guys? 09:35:29 I like to come up to the microphone or altogether however, I mean Turn it over to you. 09:35:37 Hello Theresa. I see Lonnie, you're on there on the on the lines, right? Thank you for being with us. 09:35:45 Be safe. Hi Teresa. Great to see you. First of all, I want to thank Jefferson County for allowing us to be here this morning. 09:35:59 Good morning. My name is Teresa Rose Naiman. I'm Jamestown Travel Council. 09:36:06 My family name is Kurds. We always honor our family name. And you don't notice that. 09:36:15 Today I am here to represent Indigenous People's Day, the state commemorates. And honors are beautiful history, tradition and culture on these lands. 09:36:27 And and lands afar too. Currently, we are standing and we represent 3 clown tribes. 09:36:39 James Town, Gamble and Lower L. One. Okay. When we step aside and look around at the beauty. 09:36:49 Our creator has given us. It reminds ourselves we are the caretakers. And have been appointed to represent. 09:36:59 And honor these lands. Jamestown wishes to acknowledge our county commissioners. And Jefferson Tammy. 09:37:09 For making. This annual proclamation. And it's a good day. Okay. 09:37:19 Okay. 09:37:23 Or a person's name. 09:37:28 Okay. 09:37:34 That's my guy Joseph Price. 09:37:39 Yeah, she can't. So my name is Laura Price. This is my husband, Joe Price. 09:37:45 We're from, I just wanted to take a minute and, acknowledge and witness that I hold my hands up high. 09:37:54 Okay, this board this Jefferson County for helping our to. We're formally recognizing and making the effort. 09:38:03 To build upon the relationships and to begin the healing. That this land deserves and the people. Good call at home. Dessert. And I do admire greatly. 09:38:17 I've watched for years. Making efforts. To include the swallow and the sky. And, to be able to feel like me. 09:38:27 We are welcomed back to these lands. That we came from. I do know Katai is an is an important place. 09:38:36 It is a village that was in the heart of our. Territories. It was a place a lot of people came through and we were able to share our culture, share our 09:38:49 Our gathering places. With lots of people, lots of friends and family. But I am really just honored that we can be here. 09:38:58 Even though there's only a few of us. We represent many. There are some other events that people are attending today, but we just want to thank you for inviting us to be here to acknowledge this proclamation. 09:39:13 And that is very important. 09:39:18 That's great to a surprise. And it's climb. I raised my hands up everyone here today. 09:39:25 Like I've said before when we come here. You know, it wasn't too long ago, we weren't allowed to be here. 09:39:30 In this in this town. And I raised my hands up for you recognizing that we can, we are here, we're still alive. 09:39:38 And we speak our language, we sing our songs. We're letting our ancestors know that we're still here. 09:39:44 And we went down to the museum on Saturday where there's a exhibit in in we say there's exert for the swallows in there and we same for them. 09:39:54 And you know, it just makes me feel really good when we sing in these buildings that are here. Cause I know there's probably stuff that happened here. 09:40:04 And, that's the, songs that we sing are healing. They're our prayers. 09:40:10 So I'm gonna do a song here. It's my grandma's song. And I've mentioned before that my mom was actually born here in Port Townsend. 09:40:18 But, this sounds my grandma's song and I used as a parasol. So. 09:40:27 Kind of less place here. Oh Whoa, Whoa, 00000000000 goodness. 09:41:30 Oh, Oh, Okay. Whoa, Oh Hello, Whoa, Oh Oh Hell000-00-0000 I've been today. 09:42:59 Oh, Whoa, Oh Oh, The words are, I love you, my grandma. 09:43:33 And I know with our grandmothers, our grandfather's prayers, we wouldn't be here today. 09:43:39 Partners. 09:43:44 Thank you so much. Theresa, Lori, Joseph, it was wonderful. I don't know, Lonnie, is there anything that you wanted to add? 09:43:52 Yeah, beautiful words share this morning to our representatives who are there in person. Thank you Teresa, Joe, Laura for being there for us. 09:44:00 I'm unfortunately on my well fortunately unfortunately I'm doing a good thing I'm on my way to Yakima. 09:44:07 Pursuing salmon recovery. We're gonna be talking with local farmers like Gapitor's office today. 09:44:13 So even though it is indigenous people's day, the work still continues. So it's good. 09:44:21 But I think the only thing I would add is something good that we can add to the proclamation last year and I I can't believe we didn't think about it in the last couple years. 09:44:29 We should add a statement in there about how the city and I believe the county supported it as well. It was in 2,019. 09:44:37 Where you guys reversed the ordinance that that forced our people out. I want to say that I think the mayor at the time even condemned it and there was some good language in there. 09:44:47 So maybe we should add that to next year's proclamation. And just thinking the Jeffers and County Commissioners, you guys are always so supportive of us. 09:44:55 You guys are good allies, good partners to us. So I raised my hands and gratitude. Thank you. 09:44:59 Thank you. All right, love to invite the Makar tribe and our Walter or whoever to say a few words or thank you very much for being here. 09:45:11 Hello, And. And. Hey, Oh. 09:45:35 Hello, Okay. 09:45:44 Hey, Hello, Hey, Oh 09:46:01 My name is. 09:46:06 Come from Come from what? Come from. 09:46:15 Come from, You come from That's our house. That's my house. 09:46:26 These people that I come from are the ones that 09:46:31 Live through. The unfortunate way we were treated. And we're strong enough to continue. 09:46:43 We all have this in our path. We all have our family, we've heard those stories. 09:46:54 And every year as we get stronger. Every year as we our relationship improves. 09:47:04 Is a step in a better direction. 09:47:08 This song I saw. My grandfather, it came to him. When we got our OZET village back. 09:47:18 Did you have touched my heart? 09:47:24 I will always remember this day. I will always remember this song. 09:47:31 We have different stories. We have different creations. Well, we all have that one. History that combines this. 09:47:43 I'm grateful then. 09:47:48 You're making that step. You're making that. Reaching that handout. And acknowledging that Where's field here? 09:47:58 We're still strong. We know our family. We know our history. Today. 09:48:04 I thank you for inviting us. The call of the code. 09:48:11 Wow, thank you guys so much for The honor of being here with us. You, I don't know. 09:48:19 It's I'm overwhelmed. Heidi. Well, I just wanna say thank you for sharing your home with us. 09:48:25 I mean, thank you for being our good neighbors and 09:48:32 I was out at the coast for a Olympicos sanctuary meeting in 3 weeks ago and went to the McCall Museum and was reminded of the story of the Oz Village and completely. 09:48:49 Took my breath away. 09:48:54 Amazed by your history. And your strength as a people. And honored to be your neighbor. Very honored to be all of your neighbor. 09:49:07 Thanks. And you know, my education on the relations between our people is really just beginning. I'm in school right now and one of the one of the textbooks is an indigenous peoples history of America. 09:49:20 And it really drop the scales from my eyes. And kind of assumptions that we make about how we got to be where we are. 09:49:28 And, It's, we've been coming upon us to educate ourselves. 09:49:34 On how we got here and how we can move forward and. Roxanne, Dunbar, Ortiz, in her book with a bit of some of the poem, seminar, or, and I'd like to also share that with you. 09:49:48 The future will not be mad with loss and waste, though the memory will. Be there. Eyes will become kind and deep. 09:49:56 And the bones of this nation will mend after the revolution. So. Thank you guys for continuing to help us mend the break. 09:50:07 At that our people ride. So I really appreciate. The partnership. With what we call, and the other tribes that have been in this land since time and memorial. 09:50:23 So thank you so much for being here today. 09:50:27 Thank you. 09:50:31 Yeah. 09:50:26 And Lonnie, you think we thank you for your salmon work today. I grew up in, family and I'm very grateful to our salmon, brothers and sisters and believe that we need to do all we can to restore a habitat and bring the salmon back to our region. 09:50:44 So. I'm grateful for your work today. Can we? 09:50:48 Absolutely. Thank you so much. You have. 09:50:52 Thank you, Lyon. And can we get a couple of photos to one more, Okay. 09:51:06 The podium. 09:51:11 But, 09:51:18 On that. Right. I'm gonna do portrait mode. Okay. 09:51:37 Like I should have a Kate picture. Thank you guys. Yeah, absolutely. We'll get it signed right now and run it down and you guys can both get it signed right now and run it down and Hey, I'm Can you put my, and do approach our life in your kids. 09:52:18 There's not much room there, but let's try. But you guys actually hit. All right, thank you. 09:52:26 I'm sorry, excuse the absence. Do we have? Yeah, so, after we sign this, please bring it to the commissioner's office down the hall. 09:52:45 That's the last office on the right and they'll put the Microsoft County seal on it and then make copies for everyone. Okay. 09:52:50 Thank you. 09:52:53 Thanks so much for taking time today, guys. 09:52:58 Hi, I look granddad who just, I, last Monday night. Meeting and, so my granda is the. Oh, great. 09:53:28 Yeah, I'm still, I'm doing an MPA program and And they have a travel governance that's a really strong program down there. 09:53:30 So it's, Cool. Alright. Good morning. Okay. 09:53:51 Yeah. Yeah, busier afternoon, I think it's gonna be right up against 4 30 probably. 09:54:08 1030 workshop. 09:54:13 Okay, LTAC all the time. 09:54:22 What should we? Is there anything else we need to attend to that's not on the agenda? 09:54:28 Go ahead. 09:54:32 Okay. Okay, 15 min recess. Sure. All right. 10:22:57 One and why I was here. Welcome back, Amy. I'm sorry. Minute if you were after we expected, but here we are back into session. 10:23:05 We'll attend 30 will be going into a workshop with Matt Tyler from Parks and Rec about the oak bay. 10:23:15 Campground electrical expansion. And also I think the LTAC branch discussion as well. So anything else, I guess, Heidi and Mark that we need to add to the agenda today. 10:23:27 I don't have any. There was, is there a milard assign? There is. 10:23:38 That's just me know over there. Okay. 10:23:43 Great. We'll have 2 hearings this afternoon, 2 30 and 3 30. 10:23:50 I have. 10:24:03 Seeing that chatter here in a minute. Let's see. You'll come through the door. 10:24:16 We have 2 projection. 10:24:23 Excellent. I don't have anything else that has to go on the agenda yet either. Oh, I did forget to report. 10:24:30 I guess I am on the radio this Friday and, Hey, I'm invite Amanda Christopherson and Karen to do. 10:24:38 And, after, after report on the recompute grant application. They're been. 10:24:47 Some and send your emails, sends out about the, the, application. And so we're actually hoping to. 10:24:57 You've got the total application. The total applications that we want to get on the county website. And we've gotten permission to just share those and. 10:25:06 Also put on the Edc's website. So. 10:25:14 Talk about now this Friday. There was a, 10:25:22 There was an invitation to, to some events in force. I saw that today. 10:25:30 That's something that we've gone to in the past. I don't, I've never seen that before. 10:25:39 Grant breakfast for nonprofits in Jefferson, What day is that? November first. 10:25:52 Yeah, never seen that. 10:26:03 I'm trying to be. Absent that day, so I do not remember. 10:26:18 Yeah, One by non-profit agencies in Calm and Jefferson County. Else logs and forks. 10:26:28 I understand what it is. Yeah. Interesting. 10:26:42 I've never talked to Kim before. Maybe it's not really meant for Jackson County. That's more of a clown county thing. 10:26:49 I mean it's It will be a struggle to get it to force by 7 30. 10:26:57 Let's say that my. 10:27:08 I will consider. I am not done. Know a lot about it either. Okay. 10:27:26 What's that? 10:27:32 Okay. Yeah. 10:27:39 Like the sound of that. Yeah, man. A rough day already. 10:27:59 And receive. 10:28:10 Yeah. 10:28:19 Oh no, no. 10:28:24 Why? Wait a second. Read the. Okay. 10:28:36 I don't. 10:28:40 Albuquerque Police Department. Left his house? This isn't our. Yeah, it is. 10:28:48 Yes. Oh. 10:28:56 Hmm. 10:29:00 . 10:29:12 You don't know, we sent that to. 10:29:34 Okay. Let's see, let's look who, we don't have Matt online. 10:29:43 Getting ready for a 1030. Workshop. 10:29:53 That personal news. 10:30:25 Good morning. Yeah, you already forwarded it to Kate. 10:30:37 So, Yeah. 10:30:44 Okay. Yeah. Like we usually don't I went right to voicemail. 10:30:56 Don't hold that. Well, in the absence of that, I'm. 10:31:05 Perfect. 10:31:08 Yes, we can wait for 1 Si mean, yeah. That's all we have before. 10:31:14 Just down there. 10:31:22 Yeah, no, no, we're just early after all. So we're like, what? 10:31:37 Waiting for 30 s. What are they? Pars and racket people go, oh, oh really? It's 30 island time. There you go. Yeah. 10:31:49 No worries, come on up to the table. There's room for both of you guys. 10:31:52 I have a map of opening. Good. We're joined by Eric Kuma, Deputy Public Works Administrator. 10:32:05 I guess that's the role you're in today. Yes. And Matt Taylor, manager of Parks and Rec. 10:32:10 Okay, director, manager. Yeah, your manager. 10:32:16 Talking here about. Yeah, the electrification of the upper oak bay and, and, and a couple of other things. 10:32:25 I don't know is there. We turn it over to you, Matt. You want to get the. 10:32:29 Mark's gonna share. Sure. I thought, well, thank you for having me. Hmm? 10:32:38 Commissioners and staff. I thought I would share a map if you scroll down as a map of the campground. 10:32:44 This is what we're talking about. So the original plan was to put electricity in a new camp. 10:32:50 . Site which has already been built, you know, the pad and everything at that Wow, where is Dave's parking? 10:33:00 We want to move it from where that is over to. You want to move your caretaker site over. 10:33:07 Yes, okay this is they use parking. 10:33:12 Well, that's where the site is set one. And. The original plan was to electrify that site to have a canvas and the more we thought about it. 10:33:23 Since to electrify all 12 of those sites. Because we're gonna be there with electricians and excavators, we're gonna have an annual transformer and so forth. 10:33:34 So the project drifted into a larger scale as sometimes happens. Hey, Matt, did we electrify 13 through 20 previously? 10:33:45 Yeah, into 2018. Yeah, really successful project. People want it. Both sites are always full. 10:33:50 I'm not saying, it'll help. So which is why today is we're seeking additional funding to do the project. 10:34:00 At this point, it's a little bit backwards, I know. That's worth an ask and see where you guys are at. 10:34:07 Money and at this point we have bid the project so his shovel ready. The cultural research haven't done, the few days ready to put the transformer. 10:34:22 We have a low bidder that is ready to go. Potentially do it this year, it's an option for us. 10:34:28 And did you have a question? Are you asking how, how, how used our sites one through 12 when you said that you don't know if they'll be full all the time. 10:34:41 The electric always feels like first. Not necessarily because it's electric, but you can see it's in a nice position. 10:34:49 Yeah, the water. Yeah. And so I would say they're used about half as much as the, had actually numbers that I didn't bring. 10:34:56 Half as much as the other. As other sites, but it will increase when you have a, electric is definitely the most popular. 10:35:05 Yeah. And more and more with you know, hashtag, people wanna park and plug in. Okay. 10:35:31 Yeah, right. And so, depending on how receptive the board is to funding this project, near term, because it sounds, you could execute this, before the end of the calendar. 10:35:46 You're going to be to go translate. It all went well. So, I don't know. 10:35:50 Judy Shepherd's on the call that. I did think about this and, we, have a way to fund this at the board would like to do that. 10:36:03 And it would involve. We need a budget adjustment to move already appropriated monies. From. 10:36:17 The budget line, which is a transfer to road phone, we could reprogram some of that in new transfer to Parks and Proven to complete this project. 10:36:28 And what was the road fund money for? It was for, I think 2 projects. 10:36:35 One is resurfacing on Center Road and then, And, need it all this year. So I think it was. 10:36:44 Yeah, it was 412,000 and you're going to use a fraction of that. 10:36:49 So we could redirect some of that money in the current year. Okay, and to be clear, I think there was 40,000 budgeted for the single site this year. 10:37:01 The revised total cost was 97,000. So it's the But there was there was 40,000 budgeted but we only have 20 about 25,000 available. 10:37:12 Correct. We've had good luck completing other projects and it just balanced out to those other functions. 10:37:19 That's great. If you go, I mean, just, for the public's benefit really kinda go through how we got here a little bit, you know, it's, why are we asking, you know, now for this money? 10:37:31 Yeah, kind of the narrative was to as top a scope increase, you know, over time. We should have checked in sooner. 10:37:41 And it just involved and we did it. With this advanced. So. Not knowing how much it was going to cost. 10:37:52 I couldn't get a good cost. Essentially a big part of an accurate cost estimate. Gotcha. 10:37:59 When I got a good process and it back. I realize that you 10:38:05 But the Delta is 57 that. Or is it 87? 57. Okay. 10:38:12 But as Commissioner, I'm, out and, you know, man, you know, shuffles monies around. 10:38:20 So I'm that 4 year old program that I believe 24 is what's available. Okay, that's why they ask is 72 to make up the difference. 10:38:26 Is 2022 23 we got done irrigation repairs at HQ and Iron Dale which we're huge. 10:38:35 I've heard of the roof that bitchy gero restroom, the parking lot which you've seen. 10:38:38 Accessibility improvements in the standard shelter and resurfacing goals. And, and we built the basketball court base. 10:38:47 It's been busy. Yeah. 10:38:53 Well, I know that there's huge demand for. Yeah, recreational amenities and. 10:38:59 This is a logical. Improvement to these sites, especially because electrical does. Draw more use. This is our best campground, most popular location by far. 10:39:12 And it fills up in summer weekends. Yeah, basically the holidays. I, I should know this, I guess, from, Yes, for Electric, he is 30. 10:39:23 Non electric, it's 25. 10:39:27 Yeah. What do you think? I, I mean, this is your, you're asking for action today, really. 10:39:33 Yeah. You're not that would simply be a motion to direct staff to. Undertake whatever budget actions would be necessary to fund this project. 10:39:47 And whatever action would be required in the future to. Also, WAYS, HALTACK question is too. 10:39:58 I mean, I know. Yeah, I mean, once we talk about that, you know, that's the second half. Okay. And talk about that. 10:40:09 The other thing to mention, though, just look, I mean, so you guys don't feel pressured, the, back, and go back to the lecture and solicit a quote for just doing the caretaker site as originally planned. Right. 10:40:17 That is a possibility. Now the reality is, is it might be half of the cost. Yeah, that is a possibility. 10:40:22 Now the reality is, it might be half of the cost. That's just half of the cost. 10:40:24 That's a possibility. Now the reality is, it might be half of the cost. That's just half of the cost. 10:40:27 I get you one site versus twice the cost for 12. But just know that there are alternatives. No, they've just been, you know, I don't know what the options are, but I'm sure that it would cost close to half just to get that one. Yeah. 10:40:45 Alright, do you wanna, I mean, can we, we hear about everything before we take action. 10:40:50 So I'd love to talk about the HELTAC, needs as well. Absolutely. 10:40:55 Which to that? Yeah, you ready to move on? So I'm responsible. I definitely made a mistake with the LTEGRAM, which I can own. 10:41:09 It was moved 6 weeks earlier. And an email notification was sent that was eaten up by the email. 10:41:18 I did get sent. Gotcha. Did eventually come through for a while. I was looking at 2 different, you know, programs, you know, 2 outlook. 10:41:29 And when it all flooded in, you know, in thousands like everyone else. And I', it's my responsibility. 10:41:37 So we didn't apply for And we've applied successfully for 8 years. I was surprised that No, I'm noticed and there was only one email. 10:41:46 Send for an hour program. We actually were 6 weeks earlier. But. So the bottom line is we're short, $45,000 right now. 10:41:56 And looking for ways to make that up. 10:42:01 So we've talked about. A potential need to do a supplemental LTAC and I know I'm looking at Mark cause you can do the financial number crunching. 10:42:15 The well tech revenue for 2023. Is forecast to be higher. Just based on what we're seeing come in. 10:42:27 But we We were more ambitious in our last round of grant funding. So this year we had to be more conservative. 10:42:38 Yeah. And in being more conservative, we also acknowledge that there may be a supplemental round. But I don't know if Mark. 10:42:45 And Judy can. Review the LTAC. Kind of. Cause Mark and Judy were both gone the day we did. 10:42:54 Or the week, you know, so we didn't have like a real time estimate of LTAC funding and we relied on. 10:43:00 Well, Judy did one. But we, you know, there was a sense that there might be. 10:43:07 More funds than. We were ranting in that initial round. But we need to really dig into that and see if that's going to be the case. 10:43:22 Well. 10:43:19 There's Judy. So, Judy was able to find, I think, $34,000 more for the grant round. 10:43:28 Right, right. 10:43:32 But I'm not sure how we're, you know, that how we're projecting for the including the last quarter of the year. 10:43:38 So we did increase. Revenues coming in for the year as a projected revenue projection of was $20,000 higher is what we projected even still kind of cautiously. 10:43:54 So I recommended, so we were gonna look at ending the 2023 year with a $562,000 balance with 200,000 recommended reserve. 10:44:06 And what we're doing is just carrying forward that 362,900 into 2 2,024. 10:44:14 Of fun balance so that we're able to Add that to what we expect in 2024. 10:44:22 So right around 730,000 for our 2024 RFP season. So, 10:44:35 Okay. Okay. 10:44:30 And we did grant out all of it. In our LTAC committee. We, we allocated grants like down to the. 10:44:41 The dollar that you gave me. 10:44:42 Oh, okay. Alright. So, I don't know if this would be reasonable or not. 10:44:48 I mean, as possible, your revenues are going to come in, you know, more than what we projected for year end. 10:44:56 And I don't know if this is reasonable to say, okay, they're going to be more. 10:45:00 And let's look at it at your end and know if they are more and then we can can you then you know, give that money to. 10:45:08 Parks and Rec at that time or I don't know what your policy is for LTAC distribution. 10:45:14 We would do a supplemental grant round, I imagine. That's what we've done in the past when there's been more revenue. 10:45:21 Okay. 10:45:22 I'm still a fairly new LTAC commissioner but this is my third round so I should be third rounds of charm, right? 10:45:30 You're the most experienced LTAC commissioner we have. Yeah. So I think we were anticipating reviewing it after year end. 10:45:36 Okay. 10:45:36 But it sounds like the most you might have is another 2 50 or something that you could put out there. 10:45:42 I mean if you have 500 reserve fund balance right now. That's already factored into the grants we gave. 10:45:51 Right. 10:45:52 Mine is that too. Right. 10:46:00 Yeah. 10:45:56 I'm sorry, the 2,000 is a recommended reserve based on expenditures. And we keep that money in there because LTAC can help it, you know, happen at different times for, you know, people send in their bills at different times of the year. 10:46:10 So you have to have cash balance. 10:46:13 Oh. 10:46:12 And the reserve. I thought you said 500,000 is the fund balance after allocations and then that's just what's in there right now. 10:46:25 So that was the projection that was used to designate the grant amount. Oh, you're today's revenues. 10:46:28 7 2,000. 725,000. So our budget is 6 55 we have October November and December revenues you have to factor in. 10:46:37 So, you know, we're gonna get 900,000 probably. 10:46:42 Yeah. We just didn't want to give out grants when yeah, we didn't know exactly how much was gonna come in. 10:46:50 Right. When is, I mean, the camp browser mostly summer time. I mean, these are funds that are needed for the summer of 24 or spring summer coming forward. 10:47:03 They open on April first. Yeah. So we start spending on getting ready. Okay. 10:47:09 Yeah, it's one another one of those funds that keeps getting oversubscribed and, you know, I've been wondering if you guys are contemplating like what the city does with their LTAC funds where you, you know, carve out some that if it's going to the visitors centers on the. 10:47:26 $20,000 a year. They give out $20,000 a year. They give out $20,000 in grants and everything else is allocated. 10:47:30 Right. So yeah, we we might go to a budgeting process where we budget a certain amount in grants and everything else is allocated. Right. 10:47:42 So yeah, we might we might go to a budgeting process where we budget a certain amount for visitor centers budget a certain amount for parks and then say we're going to do a grant round with the remaining balance we estimate that 200,000 or whatever. 10:47:48 I mean I've been through 2 and it does seem sometimes like if you're gonna take out you know 2 50 or whatever from the top for the TCC and Jefferson County Historical Society and the visitor centers and all that. 10:47:59 It's not a little playing field for a normal grant. So it makes sense to figure that budget out first. 10:48:05 And then, you know, you avoid, you know, and I articulated the desire to do this with Mark. 10:48:11 We literally haven't had the time to sit down together. Doing new plan for how we do all attack. 10:48:17 But there. And I also have a meeting for how we do LTAC. But, and I also have a meeting with a key constituent this week that I want to kind of inform that conversation. 10:48:26 So we want to end up with more than $20,000 and we can allocate to the RMD process too. 10:48:28 So I guess that's sort of the kind of, $20,000 that we can allocate to the R&D process too. 10:48:32 So I guess that's sort of the kind of reverse engineering. I mean, I think 7 25 is a pretty reasonable. 10:48:32 That's is that the projection for 24 as well. That's what we granted. Okay. 10:48:39 In the current round. Which is down significantly from what we granted in the previous round. So does that fund balance still have 23 payouts that leaves that are waiting? 10:48:52 Is it already fully expended? The extra 300 K. Over 23 grants are not all fully expended. 10:49:04 Recommended fund balance reserve is that contracts that are just waiting to get spent out. Okay. 10:49:09 Right, because that's why you have to have that reserve. Yeah. So. So it looks like with the last time I did this, We had about half of it for this year to still be expanded, we might be closer to the 60 year. 10:49:28 70% by now I'm not sure. 10:49:30 Oh, yeah, hopefully, cause that's, it was like, 900 K last year, wasn't it? 10:49:41 1 million. 10:49:36 So you probably still got 500 to expand. Actually, Actually, the budget was boosted to a million 17,000 346,000 is remaining to be spent. 10:49:54 And we have, you know, close to 800,000 in the fund. That. Oh. That's the 10:50:01 When there's process to give back if. Money isn't used also. So, you know, we don't know what that's gonna be. 10:50:10 You come here in either. 10:50:11 Although I do know the emergency grant we did to the North Hood Canal Chamber of Commerce is coming back because they didn't need that. 10:50:18 29,000 because the forest service. Started contributing to that visitor center again. But that's the only specific. 10:50:28 Data point I have on money coming back. Well, they don't. Ltac grantees are reimbursed for expenses so we don't pay them. 10:50:40 With the grant is and then have to recoup it later if they don't spend it. Right. 10:50:46 So whatever budget for a given year isn't expended. 10:50:52 And what happens if we can't come up with this money to maintain the campgrounds? I mean, they should close earlier. 10:50:58 Is that? Okay. We would reduce services by having most portable toilets. Maybe we would convert them to. 10:51:08 Packet and pack it out. Because the trash falling is a major expense. Less business, for maintenance and so forth, but I don't think we would have to close. 10:51:19 Okay, Yeah. It looks like so it's 6 years. You received 6 years so it looks like it's about 50 average 50 to 60,000 a year. 10:51:33 Yes, 45 is budgeted. So we just. And it sounds like Heidi, you're saying that if there was a, that would be the first, the first way of funding this would be opening up the RFP since that's the special supplementary RFP since that's kind of What LTAC has done with pre, and so that's that would be step one and then Step 10:51:56 2. You know, they still weren't funding because they'd be in an RFP with other applicants as well. 10:52:02 Is looking for other options to help support. The budget of that. Right. But it seems like we've been. 10:52:11 Funding and parks to the tenant of $50,000 a year for the last 6 years. That we should continue doing that. 10:52:19 And I was surprised to not see it, Matt, but I didn't, I didn't think to reach out. 10:52:24 I just thought, well, maybe they didn't, you know. Yeah, and the papers and so forth. 10:52:31 Yeah, staff did a good job getting the work out there. I think it was a good job getting the work out there. 10:52:39 I think it was a So. 10:52:43 I think we should deal with the first item on the agenda here. And then for this item, we just need to, I think. 10:52:52 See where we're at at the end of the year? No, we'll sort it. Yeah. I'm confident that we'll get the 45 at some point. Okay. 10:53:02 And Yeah. No, it's a priority. Yeah. Absolutely. 10:53:06 Okay, well I guess let's, I would welcome a motion for the first component. Okay. Let me get a little bit. 10:53:18 I guess let's, I would welcome a motion for the first component. So, I would move that we allocate 72,510 in capital funds. 10:53:28 To the Oak Bay upper campground electrical improvements. That's 12 new electrical pedestals. 10:53:39 Okay, I will second. And we didn't list this as an action. And so I'll just pause to see if anyone with us online would like to make public comment on this action. We're contemplating. 10:53:52 I see Mr. I'm going to. 10:54:01 Good morning, Mr. Cheers. Thanks for being with us. You have 3 min to make public comment on this. 10:54:06 Action. We're 10:54:09 Thank you. Good morning, commissioners. Staff. I'm glad to see this on the agenda. 10:54:16 Glad to see that we're. Extending electrification throughout the county wherever possible. I didn't see in the documents. 10:54:23 The size of the electrical hookups that we're going to be provided for this thing. I'm hoping that they're all 50 amp. 10:54:30 And so capable of charging, you know, vehicles at the fastest reasonable rate. In which case you're gonna need a hundred 50 KVA transformer. 10:54:40 I hope that's built into your budget. Because those things are, first of all, they're hard to find these days and they're kind of expensive. 10:54:46 But, just looking ahead, I hope that that's what you're doing. And that's it. 10:54:52 Thanks for doing it. 10:54:53 Thank you, Mr. Cheers. Matt? Yeah, Tom provided some great input before this was designed about electric vehicles. 10:55:03 So they are all 50 and it's nice to be able to run this. To do that we need the new transform. 10:55:08 Which is part of why. Right. Yeah, the transformer comes right across Cleveland Street under the street and into the counter. 10:55:16 You might want to think about making it more than a $5 premium for an electrical spot because they're gonna be using more than 5. 10:55:23 I would use more than $5. Yeah, figure out what the, you know, but yeah, I think it's great to plan for it and have that infrastructure in there because it's a resource. 10:55:39 I look for it and have that infrastructure in there because it's it's a resource. I think it's great to plan for it and have that infrastructure in there because it's it's a resource I look for, cause it's a resource I look for when I got camping too. You know, yeah, I mean, right now we're just putting the infrastructure. 10:55:43 We're gonna have to figure out Right. Exactly. Well, even my 1963 aloha trailer, it has a plug. 10:55:56 So it's not just fancy. You know, one of these or 50 am 2 or those 30 am 2 or those 30 am 2 or those 30 am 2 or those 30 amp. 10:56:04 I mean, are these are 50 am 2 or those 30 amp. I mean, yeah, there's a couple of different ones, but there's 50 years old this year. Still rolling strong. 10:56:13 She's probably a 30 and one. She's 60 years old this year. Still rolling strong. 10:56:15 She's probably a thirty. That one. Yeah. But still. But you'd end up, I think you go down to 1 10 if you connect it to the 15. Right? 10:56:17 You, Okay, the 3 Chron. Yeah, right. Yeah, it's not that it's the 4, right? 10:56:24 3 blades. Yeah, yeah, you don't wanna point one into the room. Yeah. Anyway, great. 10:56:33 Okay, well, we have a motion on the floor. I make one more call. Anyone else would like to make public comments? 10:56:37 Gratifying to hear that we are, you know, thank you very future planning. Okay. 10:56:44 All in favor of motion in the floor of approving the $72,510 expense transfer from capital to complete this project. 10:56:51 Indicate by saying aye. Aye. Alright, thank you, Matt. And you know, we're very focused on making sure that those campgrounds remain a vital service of the county so you know we'll talk to yeah you know these things happen so you know there is it's send like a a table of issues that took you off the, I'll tap off the radar but I think both figuring that short term 10:57:18 issue out and also talking about that long term, you know, creating a budget for some of these things you out and also talking about that long term, you know, creating a budget for some of these things that we just want to establish. 10:57:25 So, you know, creating a budget for some of these things that we just want to establish. So, some of these things that we just want to establish. 10:57:29 So, so, you know, nonprofits and other partners have a real, realistic, expectation of what's available. 10:57:31 Yeah. Great. Thank you very much. And I'm not sure you guys wanna talk about this. 10:57:42 We had a budget presentation last week and share some questions for, at the budget presentation. Do you guys want to cover that at all? Oh, sure. 10:57:50 If you have some answers, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, exactly, but I did think about Kate's question. 10:57:55 She had asked if we were faced with a choice of about a half time. Okay's choice. Kate's choice. We'll call it. 10:58:05 Yeah. And. Versus a a new program to provide a nominal stipend for volunteer caretakers. 10:58:15 Yeah, I talked to Eric and Kathy about it and the logical thing is a half time employee. That's a proven program and it's also the greater need. 10:58:25 Mark and the rest of the staff and the commissioners have added to maintenance over time. Since the recession, it's been built up and it's now above what it was in 2,009 and recreation is still at half. 10:58:39 Of what it was in 2,009 with an incredible performance that we can't. Yeah, you gotta build some slack into that system. 10:58:48 You're a and to do that. You only have to look at each to Carol on Sunday, for example, which was at capacity. 10:58:58 Right. Alright, good problem to have. Let's see. I mean, that's why we wanna see it being used. 10:59:07 I don't know what other questions. That we had, but that was one that was left hanging, right? 10:59:14 Cause I couldn't figure the right answer at the right time, but how much would it cost to put field church in there? 10:59:16 I'm hearing just today I heard about that. Yeah, I don't know an answer, but it's 6 figures. 10:59:29 6 figures. Yeah. It's in the millions. So, sorry. 10:59:35 Yeah. Yeah, 7 zeros. There we go. 6. 10:59:47 Well, yeah, we put artificial fields and we have complex. In soccer fields. 7 figures for each one. 11:00:01 And then of course, yeah, little rubber, granules, granules. That's not cheap either. 11:00:10 And you have a decided it's open for 8 7 30 in the morning until 10 at night, which is a whole another FTE, we need a lighting lighting, because it would have to have lighting. 11:00:22 Oh, just to justify the expense basically, you need to increase the accessibility. I guess I shouldn't say have to, but it would make a lot of sense to have it. 11:00:37 Yeah, because the winter is where people are using. Okay. We appreciate having your answer and Kate would love to be here. 11:00:43 She's at a state boarded health meeting today. So that's why she's not here. 11:00:46 But I'm sure she'll review and thanks for considering the Chase choice question and it's not an absolute choice yet. 11:00:54 You don't, you know, but it's good to understand the priority. And I think that makes a lot of sense, the priority. 11:00:59 And I think that makes a lot of sense, the recreation programs. And I think that makes a lot of sense. The recreation programs, you need some resilience built in. 11:01:03 I wouldn't, I would, when you asked that question I was I figured that would be the answer. 11:01:07 Cool. All right. Any other questions for a matter of air? Okay. 11:01:13 Well, thank you, gentlemen. Good to see you guys in the flash. And yeah, Eric, thanks for, being there online on Friday. 11:01:20 I think you had the answers that most of those folks, the community members really. People love that. There was a lot of way you were talking a lot of times that. Yeah, I couldn't tell how the connection was. It was good. Yeah. We were Johnny on the spot. 11:01:42 Yeah, no, totally Thank you. All right. Alright, well. We are at the end of our morning agenda, but a packed lunch or a pack to afternoon session. 11:02:02 So I guess I'll make another call. Is there anything else folks wanna address now or what need to do at the desk. 11:02:09 We can. You says a little early? Okay. Public items. 11:02:16 Okay, great. Well, I will recess us, until the end of the lunch break at 1 30 when we were turn and go into a continue briefing with Ben Butler our chief strategy officer about the Housing in the trip max and I think he's got Maybe he's just playing to the audience now, but he's trying to make both of us happy. 13:32:02 Right. 13:32:07 We're, I will call this meeting of the board county commissioners back into session. And we're going to invite Chief Strategy Officer of DCD over virtually so we can. 13:32:23 A little more briefing about the, the chip, Grant asks that he was considering and his analysis since our workshop last week. 13:32:31 So. Welcome, Brent. Good to see you. 13:32:34 Thank you, Mr. Chair and members of the commission. I do have a brief presentation. That I will, share it just, helps, frame, some of the discussion. 13:32:52 Points that, began, that we began with that our last meeting. 13:32:58 And so I'm gonna share my screen. 13:33:00 Please. 13:33:01 And, you'll see that just pop up in a moment here. The PowerPoint is just loading right now. 13:33:10 And there we are. It is just 13:33:18 Loaded. 13:33:21 And. 13:33:30 At our last discussion, there were. Few questions. That I delved into here and. 13:33:43 It takes a moment to. Get that, up and available. 13:34:17 Oh, there we go. 13:34:19 Okay. Are you able to see my screen? 13:34:23 Perfect. 13:34:25 Okay, thank you. Chair Brotherton and Commissioner Eisenhower. This, is our second conversation regarding, of connecting housing to infrastructure program. 13:34:39 And in this presentation. I wanted to provide it just a brief overview of Chip. And of the outreach to date. 13:34:50 Yes. 13:34:48 Fred, can I interrupt you for 1 s? You, you got a popup that says app Zoom is sharing your screen. 13:34:55 You could just hide that pop up, but it's obscuring some of the words pressure powerful. 13:34:59 Just hide it. Okay, right. 13:34:57 Whoa. Oh, there we go. Okay, perfect. Okay. 13:35:04 Good. And so, in the agenda, I just gonna provide a brief overview of the connecting housing to infrastructure program chip and some of the outreach. 13:35:15 Okay. 13:35:15 Review of the selection criteria. I did. Believe that came up. At our last meeting. 13:35:22 And then I would thought it might be helpful to look at the project, vis-a-vis the selection criteria, comp comp comparing it against the selection criteria. 13:35:31 And then I wanted to. Get guidance from the board as to how to proceed. 13:35:38 And so, as I mentioned, agenda item one, the project delivers a new affordable housing is a requirement for chip funding. 13:35:49 That 25% of the units are affordable at 80% or less of and that's area median income. 13:35:57 That the funding that's going to be used will connect water. Sewer or storm water and it does also allow for the acquisition of rights away. 13:36:11 That the, Project would benefit from a waiver of the system development charges that essentially means that there's been an adopted ordinance. 13:36:26 And so the city has an adopted ordinance. That would benefit at least one of the projects. And we are working, as, with the prosecuting attorney's office on adopting an ordinance that will provide that also for affordable housing projects in the county. 13:36:41 The maximum award is 2 million dollars. There is no match required. Now, the construction, when I say construction, that is of the housing development. 13:36:53 That must start by December, 2,025 for eligibility. And the applicant has to be a city county or public utility. 13:37:01 And then, finally the applications that do the end of this month. Any questions on that? 13:37:08 Nope. 13:37:11 At our last meeting, we talked about some of the concerns about timing. And so I felt that the direction I'd heard at the last meeting was that we just the no for wasn't really feasible given the time and that we just the NOFO wasn't really feasible given the time and that direct contact with developers, the time and that direct contact with developers, was important. 13:37:33 And for that last meeting, I wrote to all of the developers that were on the list. 13:37:35 Great. 13:37:36 Now here is a summary of the scoring. I've labeled them one to 8. 13:37:44 Each one is a score category and I'll just go through that real quickly. And then we can go to the project. 13:37:51 So the first one is the percentage of the affordable housing units. So if 25% of the units are affordable, that's the bare minimum. 13:38:01 So you get a lower score. You get a higher score. For greater percentages of affordability in the project. 13:38:10 The level of a affordability. So what that means is that if you're serving the upper limit meaning, you know, 60 to 80% of the area. 13:38:19 Median income. That you get a lower score. But if you're deeply affordable, serving, you know, what's typically the hardest for any community to serve, the extremely low income, which is quantified by HUD as those earning 30% or less of the area median income, you get an increased score. 13:38:40 The length of time of the affordability. That means how long, what is the duration of that affordability? 13:38:48 Land trust model typically 99 years renewable so what are we looking at and so if it's 25 years which is the minimum you get a lower score than if you have a significant period of time designated as affordable as affordable or affordable into perpetuity. 13:39:08 Often done by 99 year renewable affordability. Covenants. And then the cost of utility improvements or system development charges per housing unit. 13:39:19 So, that is looking at the cost. Of how much that, is going to, so per unit of the, the request. 13:39:31 So for, to developing one unit for 2 million dollars, that's gonna have a really low score. 13:39:36 Then the readiness to proceed. A real factor of looking at that is the how certain is the funding. 13:39:46 Do we have commitment? Do we have letters of commitment? The greater little this commitment that we can demonstrate the the greater the likelihood of success against other projects. 13:39:57 Access to public transit. Is there any public transit? nearby if there's no or minimal you're gonna score a low And then does the. 13:40:08 Project, provide for, latecomer fees and that means if some other. 13:40:17 Development. For profit or single family housing is gonna later benefit from that extension. And you're not going to charge them for that benefit. 13:40:31 You score low score low and so a latecomer fee is a fee that would be collected after that line is created and other users come online. 13:40:41 And then, system development charges, SDC, is it waived? And if you have a program in place to wave that and know that the sewer team has been working with our prosecutors office to develop that. 13:40:54 If we have that in place, I believe sometime this spring would be in good order. 13:41:03 So I thought we would look at the projects one by one. 13:41:09 So if you remember the Mason Street project that was removed by the applicant at the last meeting. 13:41:16 Yep. 13:41:16 If you remember that, okay, good. If you remember the old Alcohol plant. I looked at it and I tried to put a number on each of them. 13:41:26 So 4 was cost. And so I scored that as potential concern because we recognize that that extension of service to that was about 5 million dollars. 13:41:40 And I did review that and it seems to be a really high cost. There's also a question about readiness. 13:41:45 I haven't seen the development plans for the old alcohol plant, the expansion of affordable housing there. And then there's an also question about public transit. 13:41:55 How close is that public transit stuff? Is there, any questions about that? That's what I saw, but I, am, I just wanted to pause here and the commissioners, you might have some additional information. 13:42:11 No, not here. Right. No, I don't think I have any. 13:42:15 Okay. 13:42:19 In the South 7. I didn't see any other factor of concern other than readiness. 13:42:26 I don't see that they've developed the, the, proposal as of yet. 13:42:33 Or received any commitments for funding. And I'm not sure if the commissioners have any information to that effect. 13:42:42 But for that reason, I put readiness as the area of concern. And I'll pause. 13:42:46 Okay, so I'm not understanding that there isn't, concern. So for the last project, sorry, I was not. 13:42:53 Try that I thought those were scores so There is a transit stop. 13:43:03 At the intersection. Between is that Hadlock Bay road and Oh, they road? 13:43:15 Okay, so I should remove public transit as a concern for this project. 13:43:22 I will do that. 13:43:20 I feel like you should. I mean, it's very close. 13:43:25 Okay, very good, very good. 13:43:29 Okay. 13:43:30 Moving back to South 7. So readiness, I haven't seen the development plans nor have I heard of any commitments of funding for this project. 13:43:41 Yeah. 13:43:41 And funding commitments was a critical deliverable. 13:43:50 For the emergency shelter, the only item I saw of concern potential concern was cost. Per, per unit. 13:43:59 So if we're going to, obtain 40 units. what is potentially a surge of 75. 13:44:14 I mean, we divide that by 2 million. I see that is the only concern. Everything else seems to be reasonable. 13:44:25 And I think there might be a way to, to look at that that might reduce some of that concern. 13:44:32 For example, There are a hundred 50 units at Edmonds Vista. I know they're at 80%, they're higher. 13:44:40 But that might add something to remove that concern. We're supposed to be looking at it per project. 13:44:46 But still, if there are anticipated benefits, I don't think that commerce can ignore that. Any comments on this project? 13:44:57 It would be interesting to see a comparison because where you have cost as a concern, what's the relative ranking of the various projects? 13:45:09 Which ones have the highest potential benefit in terms of cost. Versus where does this file on that spectrum, I guess. 13:45:20 Right, and that's something we won't know until all of them are submitted after the 30 first. 13:45:25 So they're going to look at what they've received and then they're going to develop that factor. 13:45:30 No, I mean in terms of our projects that we're Contemplating. That's okay. 13:45:34 Oh, okay. 13:45:40 Oh, oh. 13:45:37 How do we compare apples to apples here? I mean, you're saying, the concern on every project so far, so. 13:45:45 How are we gauging where we have the most opportunity or the most potential? Around that variable. 13:45:55 When we can't compare them to each other side by side. 13:45:59 So what I would do in that case is that I think we could compare them. We would identify the number of units. 13:46:07 And then, the cost of the project. So for example, if. Go ahead. 13:46:11 Right. But do you just have, do you just know which ones? Have the best. Cost. 13:46:22 Yeah. 13:46:27 Okay. 13:46:22 Oh, I just, that's coming from, the, the, team. And, and so, so it's a composite cost of the housing construction. 13:46:33 So, for example, if that connection for the list station, we're going to need the entire 2 million. 13:46:41 And we're gonna deliver, 43, units of housing. Then it's a simple arithmetic there. 13:46:50 But if in fact because that's the maximum that we could be awarded. But if in fact the commerce would allow us to consider some of the other. 13:47:00 Ancillary benefits, then we might even be able to get that number down. For port and we're gonna talk about some of the other ones so I'll I'll sort of share what I know as we go through the next couple of projects. 13:47:14 Okay, I can't say I'm any less confused, but proceed. 13:47:18 Okay. So for this one, Peter's place. So the problem with Peter's place is multiple. 13:47:28 One is that, the, grant giver has said that permanent. How is the only type of housing they're looking at and it could be permanent, you know, supportive housing. 13:47:45 But it can't be temporary. And so that is a concern. And so we would have to look at, well, what are the units that are going to be permanently supportive housing? 13:47:57 And so then we would. Divide that by the hookup cost. And it doesn't seem as though this is going to be a significant cost to hook. 13:48:05 Up. The site. And then readiness, I haven't seen any plans. 13:48:11 And then public transit, I believe there's a stop by the QFC, so we might be able to remove that. 13:48:19 So ways down the road. Yeah. Peter's, there's a stop right by the sheriff's office. 13:48:25 Oh, okay. So. 13:48:26 Is this stop right where the, what's the road sheriff's office is on. Okay. 13:48:34 Elkins Road and, Chemicum Road. There's a stop right there. 13:48:38 Okay, so those so we'd have to look at those factors. There's another factor that they look at regarding that stops is the frequency. 13:48:48 Of service. So there's 2 components there, proximity and then the frequency of service. 13:48:56 And then when I looked at the Chima Kumar projects, the one that I see that is probably meeting the readiness phase is the Port Hadlock Motel. 13:49:06 And so I saw that from, I'm sorry, not the readiness, but I saw that is the readiness is the only question. 13:49:15 I haven't seen the plans but it's it's shouldn't be that costly to hook up. 13:49:21 I would need to reach out to. Bayside and get more information. And the reason I, see there's a cluster of projects that could benefit, but the grant guidelines saying that you're supposed to partner with one applicant on one project. 13:49:39 So I couldn't see a way around that. 13:49:43 So as a summary I removed. Project number one and then project 2 I will remove the 6 because of the proximity Project 5 and project 3 was the. 13:49:59 And I've Always forget number 5 is and I just if you go back I have the list. 13:50:05 Thatiness. Readiness. 13:50:08 Yes, readiness to proceed. So that's the critical component here. Looking at that and, I'm gonna go back to numbers, 6 and you can see that. 13:50:21 So, and then the and so 13:50:24 Maybe. 13:50:28 And so where I see when I look at all the projects. The one that seems to rise to the surface is project number 4. 13:50:39 And CBV being the Caswell Brown Village. I've seen the commitment letters. 13:50:47 We're just waiting for the hearing examiner's final decision order. And, the only area of question is, will it be competitive? 13:50:59 These would be the other projects that are submitted in terms of the number of units divided by the cost of the contribution that we're asking. 13:51:13 I thought you were talking about project 6 as well. Is that one kind of fall off because we, you know, because of readiness I guess is number 5. 13:51:23 But, I mean, they're already, they, and the sewers not ready. Is that why you're saying the readiness issue? 13:51:30 Oh no, this being, I haven't seen, I've, spoken with, Bayside housing and they've shared with me the overall concept of how they would like to improve that. 13:51:42 Building and they've shared with me a schematic But I haven't seen plans, I mean, or funding commitments on that. 13:51:54 So I will meet with them and we could still go ahead and apply for that one. I believe that my conversations, you know, I went to the Housing Washington conference this past week and I did speak with some persons at the Department of Commerce and if we do have 2 competitive projects they might say to us well we can only fund one of those which one would you like to go forward? 13:52:19 And, and so, we might want to continue to have those discussions with, Bayside housing to see if, and. 13:52:30 They will be able to demonstrate the readiness and the readiness demonstration was funding commitments. 13:52:39 And so Coswell Brown having the 5.5 million already, there's a firm funding commitment. 13:52:44 Yes, a firm funding commitment. I saw in that letter is on our website for the public hearing. And so there's, it's clearly we can demonstrate that without a problem. 13:52:58 Are you ready for questions and deliberation? Or did you have more? 13:53:02 Oh, I am ready questions. 13:53:07 So the Chimican Road projects largely that you have that identified as the Port Hadlock motel, but there's also the to apartment RV parks along the road. 13:53:21 Have you reached out to that? The choice. Family to see if they would be. 13:53:27 I have not, I have not yet. And one of the concerns and I just wanted to point this out, well, there's a couple. 13:53:36 It's the amount of time that we have to complete the project being a factor. And then the second one being the the realization that we can only submit one project. 13:53:47 So the only project that I know that has actually been knocking on Dcd's door has been the Bayside Housing, Port Hotel in that cluster. 13:54:05 That would be, that would be based upon my understanding now that would be the where we would have to settle. 13:54:00 Gotcha. So that wouldn't really be Chimicum Road. It would just be the Okay. 13:54:14 So you're looking for direction here. And of course, we are coming up to the 30 first. 13:54:21 And there's a recommendation about the Caswall Brown Village application hearing that you can't. 13:54:28 2 would be perform Kate's choice. 13:54:38 And would the partner be Coswell Brown Village or the city and their lift station. 13:54:49 Okay. 13:54:46 Oh, no, the partner would be only cap. And what I particularly like about this partnership is that they do all also have grant riding capacity. 13:54:55 So, so we would have a partner in the development of that. 13:55:01 But the grant would be for the listation. 13:55:05 It would be to. Well, it's really for the project, but the project can't be realized without that lift station. 13:55:15 That would be the argument. So it would be going for the list station and filling that gap. 13:55:24 Yeah. I mean, it seems like we're on a really short timeline with this grant. 13:55:32 Go with whatever is most ready. And they're all good projects. I mean, I'd love to see us start dabbling outside of. 13:55:41 For Townsend but especially with a sewer coming online and trying to get some capacity and going in the try area for. 13:55:49 Affordable and workforce housing, but it doesn't seem like we have the time to. 13:55:57 No, I, I have to clarify that. I also found out that this is, by, this is based on the biennium. 13:56:08 For 2 years. 13:56:08 And so yes, 2 years. And so the tea leaves don't can't. Read that far. 13:56:15 We don't know what the economy is going to be. So. We can, we can apply for 2. 13:56:21 Meaning that you can as a board I would recommend that you suggest yes. Depending upon capacity if you could fit a second application in to submit it. 13:56:33 The opposite of what you just said. 13:56:39 Okay. 13:56:36 Oh, oh, Caswell Brown being the first one. And then, Padlock Motel being the nearest second, if I can demonstrate readiness after conversations with them. 13:56:47 Okay. Okay, so it is still the same request essentially that was on the agenda request. So, for Halock Motel as the, and Coswell Brown village. 13:57:01 Yes. 13:57:00 Okay. Well, yeah, I mean, I can't see. It sounds like you've done a lot of analysis already. 13:57:12 And as you say, it's got 2 weeks left to start and finish a grant application. So, Okay, any other questions? 13:57:18 Alright, you wanna make a motion? You wanna make a motion? I will. 13:57:29 I'll move that we authorize the chief strategy officer to apply for 2 grants one in partnership with Kosovo Brown Village and Only Cap and the other partner in partnership with Bayside to support for headlock motel for the to apply for the October 30 first check. I'm happy to second that. 13:57:51 Okay. It's been moved and seconded to. Authorized, to go out and make those applications. 13:58:01 I think we did have this action on there, so I will go ahead and call the question all in favor of the motion on the floor indicate by saying aye. 13:58:10 Aye. Alright, that motion approved. Thanks for your work on this, Brent and you know fingers crossed both a really worthy project. 13:58:18 Yes, yes. 13:58:18 So I hope hope we get them both. Do you think they would give us the option they would ask us which one is more important or they would scare them, which one is more important or they would scare them separately and say, oh, this one scores. 13:58:31 And so we'll find this one. 13:58:31 I can't be certain because I think a lot of it is going to be a part of what they've received because I think a lot of it is going to be upon what they've received. 13:58:39 And so depending upon if they're really oversubscribed. We'll probably have less, flexibility. 13:58:49 But if if they they have Excess funding. We might even get both. I mean, so, really depends. 13:58:58 A lot of these awards are based upon the applicants. That come in. 13:59:02 Then I can guarantee that we'll be oversubscribed, but, fingers crossed anyways. 13:59:05 Okay. 13:59:08 Okay, well our next item is a times hearing so we can't address the time for that so we will. 13:59:17 I guess we'll pause and see if there's anything else we need to address, but maybe we'll recess until 2 25 to prepare for the 2 30 hearing again with you, Mr. Butler. 13:59:27 So we're looking forward to that. And hearing more about the, how the, how the Cpace program is unfolded, excited to have that. 13:59:36 Available in Jefferson County. So. Anything else that folks want to address? All right. 13:59:51 Yeah. 13:59:48 Man, we're really efficient when we're just here. All right, well, why don't we recess until 2 25? 13:59:57 That 25 min break. So we'll see back here at 2 25. 14:25:59 Oh, right. Welcome back. I'll call us back into session. We'll wait for a moment or 2 to start our hearing at the. 14:26:08 2 30 as scheduled. 14:26:12 Second or Josh? You can invite Josh over in case he has anything to add. I think Brent will be a primary contributor. 14:26:24 Hello. 14:26:22 Hello, Grant. We're just kinda coming into back into session and so I'll introduce the hearing and then pass it over to you for a staff presentation. 14:26:35 Is that right? 14:26:36 Yes, thank you. Commissioner Brotherton, thank you. 14:26:40 There will just. Oh, prevaricate for a few minutes here. You're going to the Til Festival, Commissioner? 14:26:49 I'm not. I have a something, and but I'm gonna do the radio show, that already. Yes. 14:27:03 I'm just looking at the schedule. I do a little flexibility. I'm just looking at the schedule. I do a little flexibility to see. 14:27:09 There's a little track dedicated to bioch. You know, for farmers. Buy a, you know, buyer try the time by using it to make roads into inductive chargers. 14:27:18 She's driving down the road. You've been that charge a car with the 14:27:24 Hey, oh, what's not quite there. But I'd love to go there. 14:27:34 Still need to know who to bring to the radio this week. Not sure. Any ideas? 14:27:42 Okay, what about any of these? 14:27:49 . That's something that people don't know anything about Good. Do the C Pazer program. 14:27:57 I think anyone that is potentially it applies to knows about it. But maybe, yeah, I don't know. 14:28:02 Maybe see Pastor, let's see what kind of, hearing response we have. Yeah. 14:28:08 Actually international building, that's what we should do. How about talking about how about take care of K and talk about that for her road? 14:28:16 Yeah, that was popular. But I, I think the building Significantly different, I think I've already, sorry. 14:28:25 Okay, thank you for talking it through with me. I'm glad I could help Phil is around but There's some pretty significant impacts that we're going to be discussing in our 3 30 pm hearing. 14:28:38 They're going to. I'm sure make a safer, but we'll also make it more extended. 14:28:44 People here to talk to us about that. I do too. I didn't talk to the building trades to see if they were going to be here. 14:28:55 Okay. Okay. 14:29:02 Okay. 14:29:09 Hello, alarming amount of dead air in today's meeting. I don't know. It's gonna bring my banjo. 14:29:15 Thank you. Just keep on in the gym. Everyone can play it because they're just come into it. 14:29:28 Alright. 14:29:40 See if we have any. Well, Bill's already there. Hey, Phil, can you come on the radio with me on Friday? 14:29:47 Let me do another. 14:29:50 Put me on the spot. Probably not even sitting at his desk. Maybe not, but maybe. 14:30:02 Hello, Phil. We're using filling our dead air with inviting you to join me on the radio if you'd like to on Friday. 14:30:11 1 s. Okay. 14:30:13 Absolutely, sorry about that, for I was, yeah, I'm here in the lobby. 14:30:18 How's it going? 14:30:18 Oh, oh, you can come in. We're back in session if you're here in the lobby of the at the courthouse. 14:30:24 No, no, I'm at DCD lobby. I was just about to off with the courthouse. 14:30:27 So. 14:30:25 Oh, bye. Oh, okay, well we'll see here, but I'll talk to you more about it when you're here, but, it'd be great. 14:30:33 I think we're the hearing at 3 30 has some really significant changes and I think going over those on the radio would be really helpful if you're up for it. 14:30:42 Absolutely, yeah, I'm down for that. 14:30:42 He was coming over. Okay, well I'll let you go so you can make your way back over. 14:30:48 Excellent, thank you much. We'll see you shortly. 14:30:48 I appreciate it. Surely. Alright. Is there in that? 14:30:55 Okay, we are going to begin a scheduled hearing. We're going to, this is a public hearing, to, about adopting a new chapter, to about adopting a new chapter, about adopting a new chapter, the Jefferson County Code, chapter 1520 to a new chapter of the Jefferson County Code chapter 15 dot 20 to establish a Jefferson County commercial property assessed clean energy and resilience see face or 14:31:21 program. So welcome everyone to this hearing. We are this public hearing is now open regarding establishing a Jefferson County commercial property assessed clean energy and resilience program here afternoon as, if you join this meeting via the phone, which provide hearing testimony, please stay on the line. 14:31:37 And we provided an opportunity to provide hearing testimony, please stay on the line and we provided an opportunity to speak during public testimony, we provided an opportunity to speak current public testimony. 14:31:45 Likewise, if you've joined us on Zoom today, speak current public testimony. Likewise, if you've joined us on Zoom today, our AV capture is not working, so you would not be able to join us that way. 14:31:51 Anyway, we don't have anyone in the chambers presently and we didn't receive any testimony beforehand. 14:31:52 But before we open for public testimony we will listen to a staff presentation from our chief strategy officer Brent Butler so take us through what we're considering at this hearing please Mr. 14:32:03 Thank you. 14:32:07 I'm gonna share my screen. 14:32:12 Turn off that little 5. Yeah. 14:32:18 Great. This is a brief presentation on the C. Pacer program. And see Pacer stands for a commercial property assessed clean energy and resiliency. 14:32:31 In my agenda I'll just cover the background, the ordinance overview, accompanying the background, the ordinance overview, accompanying documents overview, questions or changes requested. 14:32:42 And a recommendation. The C. Pacer program, as I indicated, is the a commercial property assess clean energy and resiliency. 14:32:51 Program. Is it required? No, this is a voluntary statewide program and in the agenda requests I have identified that there are 5 other counties currently that have adopted. 14:33:06 A program in accordance with the act. And what are the standards? The C pacer program requirements are codified in RCW 36.1 6 5. 14:33:18 That outlines the standards and requirements. What projects are envisioned. I think it's really important to note energy and water efficiency. 14:33:28 Electrification improvement. Renewable energy electric vehicle charging seismic hardening and that really is ensuring that, you know, we just had an earthquake. 14:33:44 A couple of kilometers from Mariston Island, ensuring that our buildings. That are multi-family 5 or plus. 14:33:53 Commercial properties. Agriculture are a seismically resilient. Fire detection and suppression. 14:34:01 Flood readiness, stormwater management. And energy storage among others. 14:34:08 Why adopt? Well, C Pacer implements important water and energy conservation goals. It spurs rehabilitation and preservation. 14:34:18 And it implements of the. Our climate action committee goals. I think it's really important to highlight preservation. 14:34:26 I just attended the Housing Washington Conference. In the one area that there's a dearth of funding is preservation. 14:34:34 And this is one of the few tools available to us. 14:34:38 Are there fiscal or capacity considerations? Yes. We delayed implementation of this. Until we saw to first see if one of our one of the adopting counties would be willing to administer the program on our behalf. 14:34:56 And having found that they also were experiencing capacity difficulties. We have, through our third party, our competitive bidding process, identified a third party. 14:35:13 SCJ alliance that will serve as the county this program administrator as outlined in the agenda request. 14:35:20 Does the community support it? Yes, as evidenced by the community. Excuse me, the climate action committee letter of support. 14:35:30 And public comment at prior meetings. And in those prior meetings we heard from Hastings the state. Bayside housing. 14:35:39 And I believe Commissioner Brotherton identify that. The port Ludlow Associates also expressed an interest in this project. 14:35:51 The ordinance, a quick overview of it. We have 10 sections and these sections are really identify some of the critical components. 14:36:03 First and foremost, the first section. Identifies that the program is established and in that, it does discuss. 14:36:15 Where the program is housed in the revised code of Washington. It also talks about the fact that what types of services. 14:36:29 Maybe offered it may not be offered or advertised. And then we have the definitions. And we did find an error in the definitions and I'll discuss that briefly. 14:36:40 There's the process, application process. The assessment agreement. The assignment and the financing arrangements and so most importantly we do have an accompanying program guidebook. 14:36:54 With all of the forms and there is a change that we're also identified as necessary in one of the forms. 14:37:03 So this is the overall list of the 8 documents accompanying the guidebook. And, the application checklist is really important. 14:37:15 To make sure that. Applicant is submitting all of the documents and why I wanted to highlight that is that we found that and inordinate amount of unnecessary expenditure of time. 14:37:28 Has been accrued by other governments when it's not complete. So this checklist helps those applicants understand what does a complete submitter look like. 14:37:40 The lean holder, consent. The certification of qualified improvements. You know, just what type of improvement is being done. 14:37:51 And we often have to have an engineer certify that it is an improvement that meets the the standards of the act. 14:37:57 And And then, the, certificate of capital provider qualification. So that's qualifying the capital provider, qualification. 14:38:07 So that's qualifying the capital provider, the the lender of the capital provider, the the lender of of the financing, the the lender of the capital provider, the the lender of of the financing, the assessment agreement of the financing, the assessment agreement for CPACer financing. 14:38:14 So what is that assessment agreement for CPACer financing? So what is that assessment and how is that going to be. So what is that assessment and how is that going to be carried out? 14:38:20 The notice of assessment interest. And the Cpace or lean that, is the collateralization of that. 14:38:26 Debt and then the assignment of notice of assessment interest and the c pasilenian assessment agreement and then finally the certificate of see pace or improvements completion. 14:38:39 That's when you got the go you've completed the improvements and we've identified that they have met the standards required by the international building code or the international residential code. 14:38:54 In most cases, they this will always fall under the international building code. 14:38:58 So one of the first changes is We wanted to amend the CPACE or agreement in the program documents to contain the county standard indemnity language, which includes employees, volunteers, and their marital communities. 14:39:15 Another change is we'd like to remove 15.20 point 0 1 0 9 department. As duplicated department appears twice in the definitions and we would need to renumber the sections so that they are corrected accordingly. 14:39:33 At this juncture, I think we've already opened the public hearing. And I would encourage the commissioners to move ahead with public testimony and then closing the hearing deliberating and adopting the ordinance as amended by those 2 changes requested. 14:39:52 Thank you. 14:39:54 Any questions, honey, before we go? One question I had, Brent, is, you know, we were approached by some, I think, preservation developers really initially about this adding this program to our capacity in the county and the I think the advantage that This, the kind of the climate friendly programs allow them to do is get more. 14:40:28 I'm not sure if it was easier financing to obtain or or a more competitive rate. Can you can you speak a little bit to what the impacts for applicants might be with this program. 14:40:40 Yes, I think one of the most significant things I believe that most commercial properties are sort of linked to the 10 year treasury note. 14:40:49 And so if you have a commercial debt, that means that at the ten-year point, you're gonna have to refinance this debt. 14:40:56 And so there is this refinance risk that commercial property owners are facing in 10 years. Unlike commercial mortgages, we all know that getting a 30 year locked in is a good thing. 14:41:08 And so this enables that debt to be amortized over a longer period. This is really significant. 14:41:15 So if you have a commercial property, you don't have to worry. Oh my god, my tenth year is coming up. 14:41:21 I can amortize it over 30 years. That's big news. So I think that it'll have a benefit for a lot of the property owners agricultural property owners in our community. 14:41:35 You're welcome. 14:41:32 Yeah. Great. Thank you for that. Okay, well with that. 14:41:40 As your elected officials we want to hear your testimony in this shoot is this issue your testimony will help inform our deliberations and decisions. 14:41:47 I'll now open the hearing to listen to your public testimony. If you join the meeting via the Zoom link, you please click on the raise hand icon, look at the bottom of your screen, raise your hand and you'll be brought over the panelists and asked to unmute and share your video if you wish. 14:42:01 There can be a short delay when transitioning to panelists. If calling by phone hit star 9 to raise your hand and the number 6 star 6 to unmute. 14:42:09 And you're probably not going to listen to the live stream, but if you are, you need to mute your playback so as not to create feedback. 14:42:17 And as a reminder, because this is public testimony, you'll need to identify yourself and your place of residence. 14:42:25 So with that, we would love to hear your testimony on consideration of. Of this ordinance to adopt the CPACHER program. 14:42:42 Not seeing any raised hand, but we'd love to hear your testimony about this. This program. 14:42:54 People are feeling inside as we are today. The seasonal shift. Effective disorder. I'll make another call if anyone was with us online. 14:43:11 We have no one in the chambers with us and would like to make testimony on this consideration of this seepace or ordnance, we would love to hear from you. 14:43:24 Okay. Let me get last call. Anyone has moved to testify? We would love to hear from you. 14:43:31 Yeah, I see no one. So I will. Oh, well, I mean, Shall we, do you see any reason to keep this open until next week? 14:43:42 . For. I'm not hurting objection from Kate or anything. That's, Yeah, and she's supported. 14:43:51 Yeah, okay. I will close the here and we will. 14:43:59 Hello, yeah, deliberate and make a decision. So, what do you think, right? Well, from all of the input and testimony we received over the last year about this, it seems like this is a good thing for. 14:44:11 Folks in our county. As long as we're not using up our capacity, it's pretty much a no-brainer. 14:44:19 So, and it's going to be neutral cost going forward because it'll be that they will pay the consultant essentially to activate the program. 14:44:27 Yeah, I can't, I don't, yeah, I don't see a downside. 14:44:34 I don't see a downside. Oh, no, no, go ahead. Okay, I'm happy to make a motion. 14:44:40 To adopt a new chapter of the Jefferson County code chapter 15 dot 20. To establish a Jefferson County commercial property, assess clean energy and reliance program. 14:44:52 Otherwise known as, as amended in a presentation today. 14:44:58 I will second that motion. All in favor of the motion approving the Cpace or ordinance as amended today on the floor indicate by saying aye. 14:45:07 Aye. All right. Thank you for all your work, Brent. We have a C pacer is now part of the code. 14:45:14 Good. 14:45:19 Yeah. 14:45:14 So, yeah, you're too too. Yeah, no, right. That in the 1,000 now. I feel like we have the big one now. Yes, this one. 14:45:25 See, Pays are easy. The other one. Nobody here to testify on this. I'm gonna be shocked. 14:45:30 Okay. 14:45:29 Yeah, yeah. Well, we don't, yeah, still have some time. I will be shocked to they are aware it's happening. 14:45:41 Thank you. 14:45:40 I will be shocked to they're aware it's happening. I think too. All right. Well, thank you very much. Good to see you twice today. 14:45:47 Thank you. 14:45:46 I think too. All right. Well, thank you very much. Good to see you twice today. 14:45:51 We'll let you get back on with with your day. We'll let you get back on with your with your day. And we do have time. This hearing is scheduled for 3 30. 14:45:52 But I don't know. Anything else you want to talk about, Phil? No. Thank you. 14:45:58 Thank you very much. About earlier, I was attempting to, to onboard one of our Dcd's newest hires. 14:46:03 Oh, lovely. Here, and have a seat looking hard so we can we can hear you online. Absolutely. 14:46:06 Talk about DCD as long as we have here already. So yeah, we onboarded I was in the process of try to multiple pass okay and onboard our newest tire, Aaron Martin. 14:46:20 Start today is a, the permit center coordinator. Excellent. And it's also going to function as the internet. 14:46:28 So I was trying to do a really good, onboarding experience for that. I was trying to listen to first presentation in the background. Okay, sorry. 14:46:36 Oh, yeah. That's quite all right. It was just, it was like, well, yeah, if you mind joining me at the radio. 14:46:46 Okay, we'll just talk about the outcome of this hearing and Yeah, well, I won't preview that conversation, but. 14:46:55 I don't know, anything else? I have a brainstorm on fireworks. 14:46:59 Can I share that with you? I'm sure. Absolutely. We've talked about, you know, getting an after action after last year's, situation. 14:47:08 And I have a. A different idea that's just a brainstorm about how we could. Change the ordinance and I wanted to just put in your brain I don't expect an answer or anything but It seems like. 14:47:24 The biggest issues that we had were Like when there was a fire danger, most individuals were pretty respectful of that. 14:47:33 And the ones that weren't were a situation that the law enforcement could deal with. Then there were larger gatherings that were a challenge. 14:47:42 Sometimes they were, you know, at places like the ports. Ramp on Gardner, which the port didn't wanna there. 14:47:50 The neighbors didn't want it there. There was not really locals. It was just kind of a a normal expedition from out of county so it was less likely that they were aware of the the fire danger and the subsequent. 14:48:05 And there were also some, you know, like a couple of big ones out in Wilson one of those did stop but what I'm suggesting is we're asking about is if we had a less onerous like consumer gathering. 14:48:22 A fireworks party where you're not absorbing any liability or anything but saying if you fill out you know kind of a. 14:48:32 An application. It doesn't mean that you're doing commercial fireworks, but you're gonna have a big gathering and you know the fire marshals then aware of it and can share with the fire department they can come down and do just that make sure you know they're Shooting him over the water not shooting at houses just kind of a general fire safety and then Band them for everyone else. 14:48:55 Right, and so there's a couple of things there to unpack a little bit. So, We were all present for the, for the gardener community, the chat. 14:49:06 And so one of the things they identified there as well was that, you know. You think that I keep hearing, you know, there as well as other places that, well, now the fireworks are bad. 14:49:16 Like, okay, not necessarily. I was for, you know, if conditions for, you know, it's not at all out bad, you know, in purpose you need, you know, kind of thing, you know, in purpose you need, you know, kind of thing, which would be a whole other conversation. You know, kind of thing, which would be a whole other conversation. We wouldn't have to do that. 14:49:29 There are some what I. Understanding you talking about is like having a safe zone, you know, or specific places where fire partners are aware that there's going to be specific activity. And there's going to be specific activity and there's going to be. 14:49:52 And we talked about that even in in the moment of having to put the fireworks fan on. I remember. And we talked about that even in in the moment of having to put the fireworks fan on. 14:49:59 I remember saying I wish we had a you know a less onerous process for people who have fireworks gatherings and And there have been a couple of residents, the district 2 have reached out to me with interest in that since last Fourth of July. 14:50:06 So I'm yeah very interested in this. I think one of the things to and I think it's great if you definitely have more conversation about it. 14:50:13 I think that one of the interesting things about that though is that who's going to handle the is going to be an accounting on property. 14:50:20 Is it going to be a port? I would say no. Who's going to be the, you know, who's going to take on that responsibility? 14:50:26 That's why if you're doing a parade, you put in a permit. So just like the gathering, I think what those permits are called that we use. 14:50:35 Special event permit you fill out the existing special event. I want to do it here. Maybe you petition the port to be able to use their boat launch in. I want to do it here. 14:50:45 Maybe you petition the port to be able to use their boat launch and quilting, which I don necessarily opposed to, you know, because then someone's taking responsibility for playing at the garbage afterwards and so you don't have the people that didn't throw the party there like the community of Gerner certainly complained about, you know, people just come in, trash the place and leave and then I guess, you 14:51:01 know, we'll clean up after you after you've ruined our evening. So. Yeah, I think you would have you would put the liability on the applicant for the special event permit. 14:51:10 Absolutely. Yeah, like I said, I think that we should definitely keep the lots of communication. To see what fire disks should be interested in hosting. 14:51:23 You know, there could be, identify specific areas where, it wouldn't, you know, just or whatever, you know, fire district. 14:51:34 Oh, like maybe the fire district actually throws the special event. Possibly I've seen a community that's been successful and we're not. 14:51:41 We have to have a lot of more input from the fire industry themselves and the chiefs to see, you know, where their, There, we've already missed the boat for 24 if we wanna make changes though, right? 14:51:53 If we wanna make changes, though, right? If we're making it more restrictive, but making a less restrictive, like we could. 14:51:55 I believe if we said we are making a special event permit also able to have large gatherings that's a less restrictive ordnance so it might, is that have the same year Wish your pause, so more implementation. 14:52:16 One way that and we would have to check with. Mr. Huntsucker on this but to double check to see if Should we run into the same situation after when we have a back version? 14:52:28 And you know, we would have an all of that if we did have a same so that it would be less restrictive than once and so that may be a possibility. That it'd be less restrictive than what's in. 14:52:37 So that may be a possibility as well. Should we run into the same issues that we've been this year? 14:52:40 If you want to do it and all that bad yes that would take the 366 meetings one day to take effect but if we were saying I mean assuming like the high fire standard is a much lower standard than we had before. 14:52:58 Standard is a much lower standard than we had before, 2023. And it is high fire danger according to the DNR and our local fire departments. 14:53:08 We could, you know, even a week before add. Or you can have consumer fireworks with an approved special event plan, you know, sponsored by a 5 year local fire district or something. 14:53:23 And that would be something. That, that'd be. A good compromise. Yeah. 14:53:29 And still allows celebration, you know, and that's the whole thing. But. There was a lot of the well as you saw a lot of public comment one way and the other a lot of folks that were supported a lot of folks that still wanted to celebrate the way that they're used to. 14:53:44 Russell, I think that would be could be a potential healthy compromise to allow some of that activity to still happen. Yes. 14:53:51 So what would it take to get that in place? Oh, Greg's choice. what would it take? 14:54:02 Well, I mean, it would just, I mean, we don't want, invite Mr. Hunsack around here to improv lawyer. 14:54:08 I'm not sure they like doing that. But, I think if, we are only, we're not changing anything that makes it more restrictive, it would just be about passing on ordinance, talking about and adding a new bit of code that with a special event permit or some other thing. 14:54:24 You could do a community gathering for consumer fire. This is how I would do during a declaration. During a declaration of high fire. 14:54:32 We followed my logic on that. I did that would be less restrictive but once in place so I do believe that that would be. 14:54:40 Wow. Yeah. We will have to have a lot in within the districts. Okay, get there. 14:54:51 Get their feelings on that. Well, I mean, because It, yeah, I, I won't argue for it anymore, but, yeah, it's just something to consider. 14:55:01 But it doesn't mean we need to get together sooner rather than later to have the conversations in the after action that we were planning on. 14:55:06 So I think Okay, book that, you know, first port or 24 maybe. Well, we wanted that they were shot. 14:55:13 Yeah. One of the things that I'm very interested in is that I actually, was granted a scholarship. 14:55:20 Next week to go to the, the fire prevention institute was sponsored by the Washington State Association of Fire Marshals. 14:55:27 Okay, so I'm going there. Along with some local representatives from the so I'm really hoping to network and maybe get some answers to some of these questions. 14:55:43 So I'm really hoping to network and maybe get some answers to some of these questions. I would love to just to see how other jurisdictions are handling things. 14:55:46 Cause there's a few things that I would love to just to see how other jurisdictions are handling things. 14:55:49 Just to see how other jurisdictions are handling things. Because there's, there's a few things that I want to bounce off of folks over there and I really hope that it' to get some solutions or some some ideas, some talking. 14:55:56 Appreciate it's where you're approaching. Yeah, look forward to the debrief. 14:56:01 And yeah, I mean, can sure a lot of world counties are dealing with a very similar sort of. 14:56:06 Impact, you know, polarization over this issue, which I definitely felt there were, there. 14:56:12 People that would really like there to be no more fireworks and there's a A lot of arguments for that and people that would like there to be. 14:56:20 The freedom to. To express their patriotism with fireworks is a very important part of their celebration. 14:56:31 You got any brainstorms when share? No, but this is something I wanted to figure out a path for around too. 14:56:41 So it's, that's something I've wanted to figure out a path for around 2. 14:56:45 So, I guess the fire chief should be at that conversation. 14:56:46 Yeah, probably. I mean, I know one of the areas. Where in my district it's most active as the beach at Chinook and Creek. 14:56:55 So maybe public works, parks. I mean, that maybe is the second front of the conversation. You know, the sponsoring organizations, cause I think the port will be amenable down, down in Wilson and if Gardner wanted it too. 14:57:10 But if you had a I mean, if you had the stakeholders in the special event, the community that's in the, fire district that isn't taking liability, but it just going out to make sure everyone's cool basically and So we just got Bill Hanscker is listening and he just sent us. 14:57:28 Alright, that what? Here's the law. What you're discussing is more restricted than state law. 14:57:39 What you adopt even though, any ordinance is adopted by county or city that are more restrictive than state law should have an effective date no later than one year after their adoption. 14:57:51 I don't believe this is more restrictive. I'd love to hear. Yeah, we're just adding a special event. 14:57:59 Per minute. 14:58:04 But what is state law say in terms of? Allowing for fireworks displays. 14:58:11 Oh, mister. Handsack. I wanna come over and have an open conversation. 14:58:17 Won't hold you to anything. 14:58:26 Did it. It's very drastic. 14:58:32 Hello, Phil. 14:58:35 Sorry, don't have my, camera. Wasn't expecting to talk, but, Bye. 14:58:38 Okay, I know. Thank you. For being a freewheeling lawyer. 14:58:45 Yeah. 14:58:43 But I do have the courthouse up. But, Yeah, I, I think it's going, what you're talking about is more restrictive than state law. 14:58:56 It may simple buy things and you may want to do it anyway. And, if we're, if we're going to as promised revise. 14:59:08 You know, the law we have regarding burn bands, you could do all this together and I mean, what you're talking about is similar to what we're doing for burn bands. 14:59:21 Yeah. 14:59:17 So it might make sense to kind of fold it all together. But you know my But I think you probably have to wait a year for it to be effective. 14:59:29 Okay. 14:59:28 Hey, from the date of adoption. So your look, if you got it done before next firework season, you'd be talking about the year after that. 14:59:36 Yeah, let's try to get it. Yeah. Take the conversation to the next level. 14:59:41 You wouldn't want it to be declared void because you didn't. You didn't. Have the right effective date on it and do all this work and then So it just wouldn't make, wouldn't make sense not to try to comply with the year. 14:59:55 Delay period that's in the state fireworks law but 15:00:07 Sorry. I'm having trouble hearing you now. 15:00:00 That makes good sense. Okay, well, you know, we'll try to schedule something and of course include your office in it as we, I said we'll try to schedule something early 24. 15:00:14 Maybe it's me. 15:00:14 And then we'll wrap up. 15:00:18 No, thank the same, I mean. Okay. Can you hear me now, Phil? 15:00:29 Alright, well, We hear you and take your point that we probably would not be able to implement it without the year delay and. 15:00:39 Will plan to continue the conversation and really 24. 15:00:47 Okay. 15:00:51 That's my only ad lib. No other ad lives. Great ideas. Sometimes they come. 15:00:59 At least expecting. 15:01:01 I don't feel very. Creative today. 15:01:09 Getting stuff down over here though. 15:01:13 That's good. 15:01:18 Well, I'm interested to see what else, you want to talk about. Oh, see here. 15:01:25 So we have. We onboarded our first. So that was really exciting. 15:01:35 I'm back with her today. I think she's really excited to be on board. She's got a lot of. 15:01:40 Okay. Tasks ahead of her. Yeah, but she's willing to tackle and she's got a great attitude about us. 15:01:47 Looking forward to that. Do you have any background with? Products like Into or she has some database background. 15:01:57 So, you know, obviously, previously, and that he used. So, okay. Someone from similar type. If you work with Chelsea previously. 15:02:04 Okay. Okay, excellent. I will catch over. Okay, nice. 15:02:09 Seems like we're gonna have to start putting a database management into the planning curriculum in colleges, aren't we? 15:02:19 Do you have to set a GIS in planning school? I would imagine so. Okay. Sure, that has a pretty good. 15:02:29 We have a solid foundation. I'm gonna study GIS, I think, as part of my. 15:02:36 Quality action, looking forward to. Maps with just so much fun. I did that in college. 15:02:43 It was. Yeah, it is the environmental science track. Okay, well I feel bad just. 15:02:50 Spitball and ideas, fell for another 30 min. So maybe we should take a brief. 15:03:00 Recess I'm sorry you came rushed down here Phil, but we're not we can't really start here in the Anything else anyone wants to address? 15:03:12 Oh no. Okay. You could do the dead air dance and just do email in front of the public. Thank you. Thank you. All right. 15:03:24 Let's stay chat with how our building inspections going. Well, those questions, you know, very well. 15:03:30 You still have the 2 inspectors. We have some staff that's doing great, our current. 15:03:44 P, Gave Shepherd. Yeah. Is, studying to do, more plan review. 15:03:48 Yeah, you know, he must be a Venture. And that and, he's looking forward to that. 15:03:55 Yeah, I'm looking forward to having a little bit less to do. So what have you shipped off to the 2 building, consulting, so far, yes, there's the large project that I think that everyone's aware of. 15:04:13 We're going to, our contractor BHC, which is a great organization. 15:04:19 Really excited to have them on board. One of the main things is that they have adjourn. Named Shame Dodger and they worked for the factory symbol structure for the RAM and Washington's. 15:04:34 We ran that program in about 7 years. Okay. So which is really cool. I think it's going to be a really good asset. 15:04:38 We're gonna get them in a pleasant. And then we also have a, a remodel at the, school. 15:04:46 Okay. That just went out to, and I just went on this morning. And I just went on this morning. 15:04:54 So kind of test them out to see how all that process works and everything and make sure that we're on the same page just how they get information and how they respond to us. 15:05:02 We're not crazy busy right now, you know, we need them but it's a good test. 15:05:06 We're not crazy busy right now, you know, we need them, but it's a good test, and you know, see how everything works. Yeah. 15:05:13 You know, what the turnaround times are process. I guess it was George really doing the SDR work and pushing that to some of the consultants. I was just very preferably involved in that. 15:05:23 And that was George George George George's, been great. He's tackled a lot of big projects. 15:05:28 And I've been working with a lot of big projects in DC. I've been working with a lot of big projects in BC. I've been working with a lot more on the pre app that we have with the West. HARBER. 15:05:36 And, Gotcha. Okay. And are you taking some of the fire marshal services to one of the contractors? 15:05:41 Yes, so, K, is a very, very, accomplished individual. He previously served as the deputy state fire marshal. 15:05:52 He previously served as the deputy state fire marshal. He previously served as the deputy state fire marshal. 15:05:56 He actually has a really cool plan review class later in December. Okay, so these, he's very active and I believe he's also one of the presenters for this, state fire marshals association, course, don't take the next week. 15:06:12 So, each day has a different presenter several different things to learn about and a lot of that working again like I'm really looking forward to that. 15:06:19 Saying how other jurisdictions treat different things that you know I haven't quite seen before. There's a better way to handle them. 15:06:25 What a tradition we have access to. Cool, exciting stuff. So do you wanna be in person on the radio on Friday or, wait? 15:06:37 You tell me what time you do. It's from 1230 to one so we can get. 15:06:38 Queued up at 1225 if you're around let's do it in person it's always a little more effective. 15:06:45 So, still, still still at Mountain View. Yeah. So just show up at 1225. 15:06:49 I'll meet you there. We'll walk again. I'll send you a little script. 15:06:52 What do you think an appropriate song? We get we'll go to 1255 and we'll play out to a song. 15:06:58 How do you already get burning down the house? Or the obvious? But, yeah, thank God. 15:07:08 I don't have any to come to come right to mind, but 5 min song longer song, they need to be 5 min. 15:07:16 It'll be, always got, because we're gonna talk more about building code. So. How about we didn't start the fire. 15:07:24 Yeah, we're gonna do building code. We're gonna be building the city. We built this city. 15:07:30 Yes, Jefferson Airplane. Alright. Okay, now my mind's on my observation. So I haven't thought of any great ones. 15:07:42 Alright, we built the city as the one to beat. I'm gonna write that down. 15:07:44 Yeah. 15:07:48 Isn't that from the movie, Nathan? Okay. Yeah. 15:07:59 Okay, important stuff getting done. Okay, well, I'm done now. I'm, that so let's recess and tell 3, 3, 25. 15:27:48 Okay. 15:27:52 Okay, I will call us back into session. We've got 3 min left by my clock before we begin the time hearing. 15:28:02 As a reminder for folks, we're going to be joined by Phyllis this year. 15:28:06 To present on this. And the hearing will be about adopting the 2021 versions of the international building codes and adopting new exceptions. 15:28:15 And in the definition of agricultural building and Title 15, adopting a commercial fire inspection program and amending the enabling code of the fire marshal and amending titles 2 and 15 of the Jefferson County College. 15:28:45 It'll be 2 at 15. Sorry. Microphones open because we were. Listen to building songs, getting ready for our Friday. 15:28:58 Journey to KPTC together. Thank you very much, Phil. For you to join me. 15:29:03 See in the parking lot. Pick a ball afterwards. We have no public shop for this. 15:29:10 I think we need to extend this one for another week because this feels like a big set of issues. It has to be tackling today. 15:29:20 Showing up to give their input. Okay. 15:29:31 Okay. But that's just my opinion. Yeah, Keep the hearing open. Maybe in your presentation, Phil, you could talk a little bit about timelines too and, you know, hard deadlines. 15:30:03 I see 3 30 on my block so I will. 15:30:10 Statement here. Great. Well, welcome everyone to this hearing regarding the adopting a new chapter of the Jefferson County Code. 15:30:20 . Of course 15:30:25 Okay. There we go. Welcome everyone to this hearing. Adopting the 2021 version of the international building codes and adopting new exceptions. 15:30:35 Maybe the definition of aged and adopting new exceptions, maybe the definition of agricultural building, in Title 15, adopting a commercial fire inspection of agricultural building, and Title 15, adopting a commercial fire inspection program, a, adopting a commercial fire inspection program, a, amending the enabling code of the fire marshal and amending titles, amending the enabling code of the fire marshal and amending titles 2 and 15 of the 15:30:50 Jefferson County code 2 and 15 of the Jefferson County code. This public hearing is now open. If you join this meeting via the phone and this public hearing is now open. 15:30:55 If you join this meeting via the phone and this public hearing is now open. If you join this meeting via the phone and if you join this meeting via the phone and just provide hearing testimony, please stay online and you will be provided an opportunity to speak during testimony. 15:30:59 If we stay online and you will be provide hearing testimony, please stay online and you will be provided an opportunity to speak during testimony. 15:31:04 If, likewise, if you're on zoom, we have no one in the chambers, but anyone that wants to make live testimony, we would go from that as well. 15:31:07 And thank you for being here. Before we open for public testimony, we will now listen to a staff presentation. 15:31:09 Mr. Sasir, take it away. Excellent. Thank you very much. Thank you, members of the board. 15:31:12 And so I can watch your screen now. Okay. 15:31:20 And do make sure to, you know, swallow the. 15:31:25 Okay. 15:31:29 Good test. Good. Notice the nice logo that, develop there. Yeah, I've got it. 15:31:39 I saw that last week and I forgot to mention. 15:31:47 Yeah. 15:31:54 There's a 3 view, try that one more time. 15:32:08 Presentation. Okay. 15:32:14 Thank you. Appreciate that. Thank you everybody. So yes, we are here today to talk about this. 15:32:21 Some, of that I'm looking to do to the Jefferson County. So there's gonna compass, recognizing some of our building codes as limited by the state. 15:32:37 I've got a couple of slides on that on exactly what the timelines look like for that. 15:32:38 And why we need to do this. So. Go ahead and jump in here. So the proposed ordinance this following. 15:32:51 A. These are rising from, in which we had referenced the wrong code on the original. 15:32:55 Draft of this and we've since fixed that. And also there is a delay in the state code to cycle adoption that we didn't know that as well. 15:33:07 So you previously held a workshop on this myself and, Brian We're here in front of the board and we presented the BSC and held the workshop for the changing building code cycle on May eighth of 23. 15:33:23 Following amendments to the Democratic code are necessary to accomplish DC's mission of dedication, the public safety and transparency and co-creation. 15:33:31 So these are the state. Is was created to advise the legislation on building the code issues and to develop the building codes used in Washington state. 15:33:45 These codes are help to ensure buildings facilities constructed on state or safe. Accessible to persons with disabilities that only and be energy efficient The current 2021 code cycle was supposed to take effect. 15:33:55 It was originally scheduled for July first at 2023. It was deleted a hundred 20 days to October 20 ninth of 2020 30. 15:34:04 Which is why we placed this hearing here trying to beat that. They since I started this process and had put in to get on your schedule. 15:34:14 I've had that they since been announced that the further be delayed until March. 15 or 24. 15:34:23 And they've since been announced that further to be delayed until March fifteenth or 2024. 15:34:31 However, some of the other things we're going to talk about today, until March, fifteenth, 24. 15:34:37 However, some of the other things we're going to talk about today, I would like to, to get recognized by the end of the year so that I can start, to, the other things we're going to talk about today, I'd like to, to get recognized by the end of the year, so that I can start, you know, the unfortunate thing to send these things, you know, we talked to a 15:34:53 lot of the that's also gonna have unintended consequences with delaying our wireless. That's also going to have unintended consequences with delaying our wilderness, and some of the other things that we're really going to help public safety. 15:35:02 There's a couple other things to, there's a couple other options here that I'll get to do in a following slide. 15:35:08 As to what could potentially still happen. And why is it would be a beneficial for us to adopt the. 15:35:19 Do, the, the, the, the way that we need to, our state codes in our. 15:35:24 Okay. So the, option date, in the following again, there's, there's amended to match. 15:35:34 So what the future holds. So this could have a possible further delay. I mean, they could vote to extend this again. 15:35:41 Or they could skip the 2021 code cycle. And go to the 24. Home cycle. 15:35:49 And regular implementation day would be July first of every 3 years. One of the benefits to doing this and this is again this is one of the poses but out there by, Wala, which is the Washington State Association of Public Officials. 15:36:05 One of the nice things about that would the benefits would be that it would bring wash the state into a national coast cycle so that when we are in 2,024 close second actually typically 3 years one night. 15:36:16 So we were to skip an entire company. They're talking to some jurisdictions. They're not necessarily in favor. 15:36:25 That's, that's so much technical manuals, there's like that gearing up for this field cycle, but we have pushed it so many times. 15:36:31 Did that could be a potential option. I'm one who still have to go through legislation, at the state level and, Don't know, but it could be potential. 15:36:41 But so it's not Wabbo's choice. It's correct. It's not Wabo is one of the strongest advisory voices for Pogr. In the US. 15:36:50 I mean, it's a great organization. And it's sponsored numerous state amendments that eventually make national reform. 15:36:56 So Wabu is a essentially early adopters for Washington state where a lot of things Yeah, recognized on the national scale, you know, the post cycle after they get adopted by this. 15:37:06 So we're kind of pioneers a lot of ways for a lot of those things that really build, increase the safety of the bill community and lead to more But are you saying that if we adopt this as the state does in March of 24 the 2021 building codes that we will then adopt the 2,024 building codes in July. 15:37:30 Not necessarily what would probably happen is that they would. If the delayed any further. One of the options could be beyond, March fifteenth is that they could just skip the just Just get the 24. Cycle all together and go to the 2024. 15:37:47 Cycle because at this point it would be the full year after we would have. Right. So we do a very, very short code cycle. 15:37:56 I mean, if we're gonna stay on task with that every 3 years, then it basically would be a two-year. 15:38:01 So don't know if that's gonna happen or not, but if something's being discussed at this point, don't know if they're if they are going to reach agreement with the, the. 15:38:11 So this order would allow the Jefferson County amendment to reference washers to reference by Washington County and then to reference washers to reference by Washington County and then to reference washers to reference by Washington State District, which is a Title 51 in the WA. 15:38:22 Whether the update comes. Currently, if you go into a, We reference. One as well as a code cycle year currently says 2,009 because nobody has gotten in here and has updated. 15:38:40 And it's been quite a few years. And, do staffing and things like that. One of the nice things is the benefits of doing this. 15:38:48 Ordnance is that this would automatically reference just the lap necessarily. So regardless of what the implementation date is of the state code, we would automatically be in line unless they change the whack. 15:39:00 And then there would be a lot of jurisdictions that would be a lot of jurisdictions. This method that I proposing is what several address, including the city, and their references. 15:39:15 How they do their 15:39:21 Okay, so the first, So this is changing. This is a slight change in language. Change the languages of the role of fire marshal to the director of community development. 15:39:35 Partner, community development director or their designee or their designee would be the change that we've been using because it currently is not there. 15:39:42 Currently what it says, it section. Chapter 2.4 0 point 0 1 0 just references the fire marshal. 15:39:53 The director of community development. Oh, help, you know, which help to find the role of fire marshal, to be. 15:40:01 Designated to a separate position because we didn't previously have a fire marshal. I mean, I was always went to the director, but now that we do have that, position. 15:40:14 Okay. 15:40:17 And section 3 here, this is a Jefferson County, 1505. So this is what I was talking about where the current head of it reflects a code site in 2,009. 15:40:31 The, language that I'm proposing reflects the the wack, it's always a lock step with current adoption state regulations. 15:40:38 So regardless whether this is in the 21 or 24 code. We will have it by by reference you know we will always have the current most current co-signal published. 15:40:50 So if we adopt this change whether it manifest that on at the end of October or in March or they skip an entirely will be up today. 15:40:58 Correct. And we wouldn't have to come back. I wouldn't have to come back to board every 3 years or whatever, however often and have this invented so that we haven't. 15:41:06 Can I but so I remember when we talked about this was it in May. Yep. And you know, there were some pretty significant changes being proposed. 15:41:17 Would that make it such that because it would be automatically updated, we wouldn't have discussions about the changes that come up. 15:41:25 We already also already have an Iowa option clause in our, kind of code. That's the sense that we will automate off whatever the state has in their, title, 50, 50. 15:41:42 So Really we already adopted, we automatically do whatever the state does on their adoption date. We just don't reference it for me here. 15:41:51 And one of the benefits of doing that is that every so often we get I believe it's every time that's not a 4 year cycle our building code effect in this. 15:42:01 Bring schedule, which we just went through. We actually had an increase on it, which was great, which is one of the ways that they do it is to the Washington. 15:42:10 Steve, And that is one of the ways that they assess the. Property insurance programs for all of the citizens of Justice County for all of the landowners. 15:42:25 And so with doing that, we've recently gone. Got a 2 step on that. That was fantastic. 15:42:42 We went from a 4, yes, correct. 15:42:43 And that was, that was great. And so we still have a little bit of room for, one of the things, to get our full. 15:42:50 Reading on the V 6 schedule is having a currently published code cycle. Here. And if we adopt the whack that this would reflect that, you know, as opposed to currently we're having about 2,009 reference code. 15:43:09 We would, if there's a change made though, it would come to the agenda. No, not necessarily. 15:43:15 You can ask that it does. I mean, I'm just concerned that there are like right now these proposed changes are big and we've heard some concerns about them. 15:43:24 When would there be an opportunity for public comment from folks? If we're doing this auto auto adoption of state code. 15:43:36 If we could at the code cycle, we could also do this in reference that I'm here. But again, these are changes that are made at the state. Right. 15:43:43 So the only way that we could override that is that we have to petition the billing council. And to have anything less restrictive, then what is the mistake? 15:43:54 But it does go through a hearing process. That, that, in order to, be granted that. Okay. 15:44:03 Whether we adopt it or not. Okay. Let me see here. 15:44:09 So, if we were to pass this, if you folks were to pass this, then the previously under adopted state code would now be referenced. 15:44:18 So one of the things is currently in Jefferson County though, we don't reference, say, one of the things is currently in Jefferson County, though we don't reference, say, one of the Durban interface. 15:44:28 There's no section for it because we have an update. 6,000. So that section and 1015 would be added referencing now state whack for the wilder interface and. 15:44:38 I believe that's the only new one. You know, it also does specify there is a. 15:44:46 Residential industry code and a commercial energy code that weren't present. 15:44:52 And again, having a published code cycle, whatever, whatever it is. 15:45:01 Okay, so section 4. This is Discounting. 150504. 15:45:08 So this is there's a couple of things that got added here. So one of the things. Was number 14 in the. 15:45:17 Yeah, that's, for work, allows for work to be done for homes, which are 3 in Rogers, now build, and such as a new classification. 15:45:26 Without permit of to $3,000. This is allows flexibility for homework projects. The increased comes from $1,500. 15:45:33 It allows for a little bit more relief. And the $1,500 isn't a whole lot especially in today's material prices. 15:45:39 So gives a little bit of relief, gives a little bit more flexibility in what you can do without having the. 15:45:45 And how do you choose that? John, was it just kind of excellent? What's what's the threshold that you're trying to not go over that where you really want to get planning. 15:45:57 So there's really not necessarily a set threshold. The biggest thing is that, you know, we still obviously are going to require, for things like H back work, things like that, I'm, you know, if you're going to do necessary repairs to your home and these numbers for the. 15:46:10 But you know, if you're going to do necessary repairs to your home and these numbers for the $1,500 shoes incredibly low because that's supposed to be based upon a 12 month period. 15:46:14 Yeah, so $1,500 isn't a whole lot. You know, so $3,000. You know, that's doubling what's existing now. 15:46:24 And I think that's. A decent threshold without encouraging folks to do development without Should this go up like our fees go up? 15:46:34 Yes. Yes, it's not necessarily tied to a, I'm not sure when the $1,500 it was. 15:46:46 But I'm not sure what the, the, the, information would have been from, 98. 15:46:56 But $3,000 you still feel is something that you could do with Eastern amount of work to your property. 15:46:58 Without having to confirm it, but it would be something major enough like a, any of those massive, HIV, you still want to have some enforcement. 15:47:10 And then you So these can I, oh sorry, number 14 is. Relative to the international building code? 15:47:21 Correct. Okay, I'm just thanks. Sorry about that. Just try and network. 15:47:25 Make sure I'm tracking. That's something you added. That's not in the international. Correct. 15:47:31 And it was one that we had previously. In our code. And that is adding one, so I believe that there are 14 in the international building bill. 15:47:43 And, again, section 4 here, number 15, all I'm looking to do is clarify the agricultural billing use. 15:47:53 And what does this add the definition for it also assist co compliance. Issues that are rising for, language. 15:48:00 And we were having a lot of problem with there was that folks trying to occupy. This is an ag building and this is an ad bill exactly so it's something that it was I believe has been somewhat of used, at those are from. 15:48:17 You know, that was designed for green houses, you know, if you're actually doing it for livestock, things like that. That's great. 15:48:25 We're seeing a lot of issue with that is that, folks that purchase property that would previously, enact building, they want to use it for something else. 15:48:36 You know, we're going to turn that in with the guest house now. We're going to, you know, this is oh and they say if you little cedar barn and everything. 15:48:39 And that's great. And it can be done. It just needs to have. 15:48:50 So this section is a you can create. I can go back to, I'm sorry, I definitely dug into the farm stuff a lot. 15:48:58 And there's vehicles that aren't licensed right if you have a farm vehicle, you can keep it in an add building. 15:49:04 But if you have like a a UTV or something that you use for farm purposes, it wouldn't be licensed. 15:49:12 Lawn mower could, you know, could be an ad use, but so that could be an add building. 15:49:16 So that could be an add build. And it's just can't have a car, can't be a. Exactly. 15:49:21 That's what we're trying to stuff and pull the classic cars. There's a farm truck, you know, there's, you know, obviously not going to go ahead. 15:49:30 On a case by case basis, see what you're storing in your barn. But yes, we want to discourage use of the event as ever. Okay. 15:49:40 And again, if you want to discourage use, of that as ever. But yes, we, we want to discourage use of the event as a launch. 15:49:45 That wasn't its attendant purpose. And again, if you want to use it for that purpose. 15:49:49 Okay. And again, if you want to use it for that purpose, okay. And again, if you want to use it for that purpose, Gotcha. 15:49:53 Yeah, okay. So this section is a to do 2 corrective scrollers or we had a title 2 reference in that we originally, speaking, we're trying to figure out where we want to put this. 15:50:08 Conception. You had 2 options for it. And unfortunately, other section had made it into the original. 15:50:13 So, but there's a little bit of an in there with the proper title for the shipping, you know, Discounting, by 1505. 15:50:20 And this is a new section. And the reason for the potential portable in a title 2 is what are references of the global fire marshal. 15:50:31 And this new section is to establish a fire safety inspection program. This is going to be mostly commercial based. 15:50:39 There will be, an annual hospitality life saving aspect. One of the things that happens currently is, you know, we, DC. 15:50:49 Issues these permits for, the short term, and then. There's no ongoing enforcement. You know after 5 years so we don't know if the snow detectors work you know what's going on. 15:51:08 The barrier to entry for this is actually pretty low and coming from a life safety perspective. The public has a minimum expectation of safety and all that. 15:51:17 Make sure the hand rolls are still there. Make sure the water heaters still strapped. 15:51:24 Make sure the small detectors are making sure that the address is posted. These things that are just basic. 15:51:29 Maintenance enough to keep, that I think is very important that we've identified. We also have some, recently, an illegal, I'm sorry, they don't need, the caught fire, please. 15:51:46 One that we had posted and then, So it's been a bit of a mess, you know, I'm trying to clean up those kind of things. 15:51:51 And that's that's what we want. So this goes all the way down to a single transient rental. 15:51:55 Correct. Yeah. Correct. And the. 15:52:04 The frequency of those inspections we're still trying to work out, you know, obviously managing on scale. 15:52:10 We're gonna go after the most. I risk occupancy first. And, you know, gas station, things that we've identified that are, you know, possible, things that we've identified that are, you know, things that we've identified that are, you know, possibly kitchens, things like that, that need to have annual inspections that have been 15:52:35 infrequent. 15:52:36 It also establishes the authority for the Marshal to enter in their local agreements. This the last flexibility to address future and current investigations. 15:52:46 For example, like arsenal loss of life. Wow. It's very difficult to keep an investigator on staff. 15:52:53 With all of the. Proficiencies required to go through one of these. One of the first things that happens, IS, IT, IN, LIKE, 15:53:05 Hearings, you know, if it wasn't going investigators gonna be questioned on how often. They perform these type of inspections and you know how many of those inspections have to do with what they currently are investigating. 15:53:21 Currently countywide, I'm told we have about 6. Invents the near the required investigation. 15:53:28 So it's very hard to keep all of your proficiencies. You're dealing with that in 3 point of you know, which is great. 15:53:35 It's a great problem to have and that we don't have that many, loss of life or some issues. 15:53:42 But there's a allows the flexibility to possibly, but there's, allow us the flexibility to possibly enter another little agreement with neighboring jurisdictions that have folks on staff that have that experience. 15:53:50 You know, or even within the fire district themselves, you know, so there are some investigators, that are current, and some of the fire districts this way that they can be called, It makes it a little bit more efficient. 15:54:03 And it also establishes a collection of fees for. 15:54:10 And that is all I have somebody in a presentation. Thank you very much. All right, any questions, have you? 15:54:19 I've been asking them. There we go. Me too. 15:54:22 Okay, well thank you very much Mr. Seir and as your elected officials we want to hear your testimony on this issue. 15:54:31 Your testimony will help inform our deliberations and decisions. Before I go one more question, you answered it once, but I guess I just want to be very clear. 15:54:39 Let's say that we didn't want to implement any of the IBC. What would happen? 15:54:43 So we would be in direct conflict with the state of So, and that is something that we could pursue. 15:54:53 I don't know what the implications will be as far as liability. Without. Okay, thank you. 15:54:59 I'll now open the hearing to listen to your public testimony if you've joined the meeting via the Zoom Meeting link, please click on the hand icon. 15:55:05 We'll get to the bottom of the screen to raise your hand and you'll be brought over as a panelist and ask unmute and share your video if you wish. 15:55:10 It can be a short delay when transitioning the panelists. You're calling by phone, hit start 9 to raise your hand and then start 6 to unmute and if listening to live stream you must mute the playback so it's not to create feedback. 15:55:22 When call upon, please address your comments to the board and not to the audience. Also, please be respectful of opinions by others. 15:55:26 It may differ from your own. Each person will have up to 3 min and will, since his testimony, be required to state their name and their place of residence. 15:55:37 So is there anyone that would like to give testimony at this hearing today, the raised hand button, star 9. 15:55:50 Not seeing any hands raised. I'll ask again. Here we go. 15:56:05 Hello again, Mr. Teersch. Thanks for being with us. If you, you have, 3 min to make give a couple of test. 15:56:12 Okay, thank you. For the record, Tom Terrace resident of Jefferson County. 3 min off for 3 different ordinances. 15:56:20 Well, try. Not very fair, but I'll try. So first really quick on the fire inspection thing. 15:56:28 I hope that this could apply to all sorts of commercial rentals including Airbnb, VRBOs, and ADUs where they're just being rented out. That's a commercial enterprise. 15:56:37 And so these things need to be inspected. Same as any other commercial building. Back to the agricultural storage. 15:56:42 Building thing. That one, that one really caught my attention. A lot of things about it. Are just, oh, they're weird. 15:56:49 And I think they're unjustified and unnecessary. This whole business about not using an agricultural storage building for things that aren't licensed as farm equipment. 15:56:59 I've got a Kabota tractor. I happen to have an agricultural storage building in ASB. 15:57:02 I can't store my tractor in there because it's not licensed. This is illogical. 15:57:09 Makes no sense. Sorry, that's got to be fixed. Second question is, okay, I've got a storage building. 15:57:16 I want to store my, an anti-car in there that I, that I lovingly care for. 15:57:21 What kind of permit do I need to store that if I can't start at an ASB? What kind of structure do I put it in? 15:57:27 Again, this whole thing is just weird. Another phrase in there, structures where the public is invited. You need a permit. 15:57:37 Well, what about the farm tour? I mean, I can't take somebody into my barn without a permit. 15:57:43 What kind of permit? Don't understand. The 10 foot separation that is unjustified, unexplained as to why it's there. 15:57:52 Why do you have to be 10 feet away? I, my storage building happens to be right up next to my garage. 15:57:59 No separation needed there's no rational reason for 10 feet and i certainly wouldn't have the room to do it without tearing down a whole bunch of trees. 15:58:08 So again, this is not a good idea unless somebody can really explain to me why it's absolutely essential. 15:58:15 The last thing is number 14 paragraph there where, you know, the, the, you have to document to the satisfaction of the building official that something is, is okay. 15:58:26 Well, that means that you got to pay the building official time and energy to review your documents. So it's gonna cost money. 15:58:34 This just looks like fundraising for DCD to me. Sorry, but that's, that's my cynical take on it. 15:58:41 The last thing on this auto adoption business, you know, the code isn't free. 15:58:46 The international building code, you got to pay a hundred bucks or more a year just to look at it. 15:58:50 And so if all these changes are happening and there's no visibility of the changes. That's going to be a problem for all sorts of people who are just trying to be compliant and don't have the means to look this kind of stuff up. 15:59:03 So, I would like to see the commissioners be briefed on all the significant changes that take effect automatically. 15:59:11 So at least the public is made aware in some sort of document that that we can review. To see if, if a change to the, to the building code, it has any effect on, me personally. 15:59:22 And that's my time. Okay, thank you. 15:59:25 You're leaving time on the table, Mr. Chair. I'm joking. I really appreciate your testimony and I think we I'm inclined to extend this hearing to next week. 15:59:37 Are you still implying that way too? So we will extend the testimony so we can take written testimony through what is 4 30 PM. 15:59:46 On Friday the thirteenth and then we'll finish this up next week. This is you know as you say Mr. Cheers it really It's really important. 15:59:55 And there's, some of the questions that we, so you'll have an opportunity to submit written testimony to follow up and to, make your points more explicitly if you would like. 16:00:03 And we would entertain that written testimony from anyone else as well. And and then continue deliberations will happen on October sixteenth at 2 30 PM. 16:00:14 So we want to take more we will close oral testimony at the end of today but we will keep written testimony open and some of your questions I think we answered I asked about the UTV, but tractors are the same, I think an unlicensed farm vehicle is quite obviously allowed in there. 16:00:33 I think Mr. Seer explained why the cars were explicitly taken out because. Mr. Chair, if you have a clarifying question. 16:00:52 Go, go ahead, Mr. Chair. Did you have something? 16:01:02 Yeah, I didn't bring over the panel. I just unmuted him. So, you might be, you can't speak if you have a clarifying question to ask. 16:01:11 Usually, never go down. No, it went down and then came back up. 16:01:18 Okay, down now. Okay. yeah. So, I don't know. 16:01:26 Anyways, to continue to respond to Mr. Cheers testimony and testimony is still open. If anyone else would like to make testimony, please hit the raise hand button. 16:01:38 Okay. The, cars you, talked about many people are trying to use it for different things. 16:01:45 He had a couple questions on there that I'm, you know, the ag building I'm obviously, curious about as well, but I think you talk about the intent being to. 16:01:58 Stop the abuse that is happening of the ag building to avoid building permits. But can you speak? 16:02:08 He talked about the 10 foot proximity and raised the point that Commissioner Eisenhower did as well about. 16:02:11 All these changes being pretty opaque and how can we make so these changes are, transparent to the public. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you for that. 16:02:20 So the, the 10 phone rule basically is becomes, so that's, and, and, and, separation without having any fire resistant construction. 16:02:27 You can go right up to each other with you know, depending on what the different use of the occupancies is going to be. 16:02:36 The hot workshop or something like that. There are a lot of different fire separations that can happen there. 16:02:40 10 feet is what would be generally with a combustible structure to another combustible structure. So that's where that's coming from as well as those numbers are numbers that are also going to be. 16:02:53 In compliance with the new, webinar and interface. 16:02:58 Again, our goal here is not to reduce anything that you do. Internet. For example, you know, if they have the concerts in the modern series, that kind of thing. 16:03:10 There's nothing wrong with that, but it is going to be held as a public assembly on a regular basis, that kind of thing. 16:03:16 There's nothing wrong with that. But if it's going to be held as a public assembly on a regular basis, especially for profit, then we need to have a life safety inspection of that. 16:03:23 And then we need to have a, a life safety inspection of that, for the public is protected from that. 16:03:33 You know, if they don't have adequate egress, so they can get out because they're just demanding, you know, make sure those things are where there's large double barn works but they get locked in. 16:03:38 Make sure those things are worth there's large, you know, make sure those things are worth there's large double hard works but they get locked in the performance you know as well, there's large double hardware, but they get locked in the performance, you know, those. That kind of thing is what we're looking to mitigate that risk. Right. 16:03:44 So, that kind of thing is what we're looking to. You know, as well as, that kind of thing is what we' Okay. 16:03:47 I mean back to the issue of Oh, yeah, code changes upcoming code changes. 16:03:58 Is there a is there a regularly scheduled opportunity for the public to comment on them? At the local level, typically not. 16:04:10 You know, to the state, so, that you have, open public forms, you know, for these things. 16:04:15 And, again, it's open public forms, you know, for these things. And again, it's only for all the comments recorded. 16:04:18 Let me know. I'd also like to point out another one of our current. Cause if you haven't here in the way that it's written right now and, chapter 1505030 so the following codes regulations and statue are hereby adopted by reference their current form or as after edible or ask hereafter may be amended subject to the operations and or amendments set forth here and below and they list all the different WAC 16:04:49 chapters. That's currently what we have. So we're already adopting what the state has in order. 16:04:57 It's just basically what I'm trying to do is reduce or take out versus the 2,009 edition. 16:05:03 So whatever we have is right. Right. That's totally makes sense. I'm just Thanks. 16:05:10 But those rules aren't reflected in our code anywhere because that means be a mass. You're do with who says I pay for the IVC. Yeah. And all that point the IVC. Yeah. 16:05:21 And on that point, the IVC, yeah. And all that point, the IVC is free. 16:05:26 There is a, so you can't necessarily print, you can't Can we put that link on our DCD? 16:05:28 I think that would be a good way to make it more accessible. Another question in the testimony was, another one we answered and now I just forgot it again. 16:05:38 Old cars? Old cars. I think, I think you spoke about old cars, you can reiterate it so I can remember together. 16:05:48 Oh, Airbnb, that we do, this would mean, annual inspection for Airbnb's and even down to if someone was renting out an A to you but capacity probably is gonna have to be built for that and you look at larger. 16:06:02 Places. Correct. So what happens right now is the DCD. Permits short term rentals, which is cost, anything under 30 days. 16:06:13 And so that would be your, for rent structures. And so we currently have a definition for those that already have a, so they would be subject to a inspection not sure exactly what the frequency that's going to be, subject to a inspection. 16:06:32 Not sure exactly what the frequency bus wanted to be annual. It says annual on there, but that is like a guideline. 16:06:35 It depends on how this program builds and how much. Bandwidth and going to have, you know, what staffing is going to be involved or anything. 16:06:44 Yet, that commercial inspection is going to be built as probably going to be a bit of a slow rollout depending on how many. 16:06:51 We have 400 identified commercial occupancies in, the East Jackson Fire Rescue, district alone. 16:07:00 So depending on what we're going to do with that and the. The, short term, you know, currently we have around a hundred of them. 16:07:14 So just multiply that by 10 at least. More than likely yes. So again, it's going to be an engine on scale, the more than likely. Yes. 16:07:26 So again, it's going to be an engine on scale effort. So again, it's going to be an, you know, scale effort. Zoom. 16:07:28 The frequency is going to depend on exactly how much staffing we have. So it's also important to note that currently when we do, the especially for when we show up, the frequency is probably about half of them pass on the first section. 16:07:38 So, you know, having a hundred most, you know, factor in the 50 are gonna take at least one follow up. 16:07:47 Speaking and rough numbers. So depending on, you know, the same thing probably is going to be true or maybe even a sliding, higher failure, in for riffal agencies until we have, you know, all of the checklist distributed and exactly what's been very required for this business. 16:08:06 So it's probably gonna be a lot of education and probably not as high up numbers initially. That's what I'm expecting. 16:08:12 . So fire related. I did hear of a fire that was ignited on a hip camp this summer, not for not permitted hit cam. 16:08:22 So hit camps are not part of the Correct. Hit camps at this point are something that, the planning department and, environmental health myself, you've been talking about pretty. 16:08:35 Pretty regularly, so it depends on. Exactly what the requires for Hitcap. Might be. 16:08:46 And that's kind of, It just seems like, but the dryness of our soil on our ground lately, it just seems like. 16:08:56 An increased recipe for disaster. Yeah. I know, I know, and that's very much a camper kind of person, but. 16:09:10 Okay. I'd like to call out to the public again. Anyone that would like to make testimony on this ordinance we're considering, we would love to hear from you. 16:09:20 And hit raise hand or start on if you're on the phone. And as a reminder, we are going to keep written testimony open until 4 30 PM. 16:09:28 On this Friday October thirteenth and we will continue deliberations on October sixteenth. 2023 next Monday at 2 30 pm. 16:09:38 So we will not make a decision today. But we'll continue to deliberate then, but we'd like to hear from anyone else. 16:09:44 Do you have testimony to give, you can hit raise hand. Start on. 16:09:51 Think we address most of the issues. What kind of outreach has been done to the building community about these changes? 16:09:59 So about these changes so I, reach out. Monthly there is a Jessica who knows association meeting, you know, as well as we have had scheduled, edited through Dr. Skyeilmer Association. 16:10:13 Where we're going to have. We talked about having hybrid having a lunch for the contractors and then in the afternoon you know so they have specified time they can get us. 16:10:22 This was an effort along with the I'm not now, I'm within an official there and myself. 16:10:32 We're going to be make ourselves available, during the lunch session for, and they don't go to the public. Kind of thing. 16:10:34 That was for the We were trying to set it up. Before the code cycles in full swing, say everybody had a chance to organize robots. 16:10:44 Well, now there's been delayed, we have pushed that off. You don't have a date for that currently. 16:10:49 We're going to try to do that outreach shortly before. That's a conference. You you have any any hard numbers? 16:11:00 How much the new code might increase building costs? I'm average and pretty startling numbers from contractors. 16:11:07 There is there's To be perfectly honest, not numbers that I trust. You know, I've seen it from both sides. 16:11:16 I've seen from the building industry. The position is quite foul. That's very completed. 16:11:22 Yeah. You know, and did the The basis of this legislation, this, litigation that I saw earlier, is through the energy cabinet where they're thinking that there is a a little bit. 16:11:36 2, now the state has identified state legislations identified. They wanted to hit certain benchmarks for energy efficiency, they wanted to hit certain benchmarks for energy efficiency. 16:11:50 They wanted to hit certain benchmarks for energy efficiency and my certain dates, you know, they wanted to hit certain benchmarks for energy efficiency and my certain dates, you know, same thing like the electric vehicles. 16:11:51 And everything else. So in order to do that, they're on track to do that, but each time there's a jump, you know, there's been a So, and I think that's where they're at right now. 16:12:02 And there's, it's being challenged on a constitution basis, whether this All that taking or what's the You know, it gets, it gets very complicated. 16:12:15 There's so, in there, but it is several, building industry. Associations that are not necessarily just in Washington state and they're also trying to set the national state. 16:12:28 To, this new code is a national code being implemented in Washington. The, energy coming is based upon the international is based on international energy code. 16:12:44 But Washington State modifies it pretty heavily. And the way that we're using our own system and our friends for doing different things. 16:12:52 So it's based upon it, but it is. So in this specific. 16:12:59 I guess one of the question I think this is kind of you talked about it a little bit and to Mr. Duchess testimony as well. 16:13:05 You know, if someone has You talked about encountering a lot of situations where an add building exception was asserted and then a new owner came or something and then they, you know, using it just as a garage for. 16:13:22 You know, car collection. So the permit process that they should go through is doing a change of use of that structure. 16:13:32 And does that include then do they have to do like a bewap or a built without permit or anything or is it just a change of use? 16:13:38 This was an act building now it's a garage. Right. It would not be, so you know, we're going to take it and It makes sense because you have a different occupancy. 16:13:49 So you're doing something that was a barn. Let's say this for a license. You know, now you want to use it as a. 16:13:53 You want us to more flexible fuels in there, you can store, vehicles in there. 16:13:57 You can store, vehicles in there. You want to store vehicles in there you want to store different types of things that it wasn't intended for. 16:14:00 So you know, needs to have a non combustible floor surface. You know, certain things are required for wash. You are required for the same part. 16:14:13 How would a person know to do that and why would they? I mean, I just, you know, probably still won't get a very high uptick in people doing that and why would they? 16:14:21 I mean, I just, you'll probably still won't get a very high uptick in people doing that. 16:14:23 I mean, I just, you'll probably still won't get a very high, uptick I'm not double check on that. 16:14:24 I don't know the current feel. The problem ahead, for a change of use. And then, not counting the requirements that you may need, depending on what you want to do with the structure. 16:14:38 Because there's rules now that weren't there where you built it, you know, if you have a barn and you want to put a, in there, something, you know, that we require, you want to do, or something that you can obviously you have. 16:14:51 You know, we building this somewhat of a tenderbox, you could have years of pay on the floor or something, you know, we'll definitely want to be sure that is a safe thing going forward. 16:15:01 So there could be additional things that are required or. In rare instances it could be a possibility where, is too close to, you know, to do what you want to do with it without having some. 16:15:17 Putting up gypsum boards and going back to reduce the fire. Okay. Thanks. So if I could, there's one other thing that I wanted to point out. 16:15:25 In the comment that we had. So the definition of an agricultural, structure that was in the. 16:15:33 In the, the proposal there. It was actually comes from state lack language is not something that we developed. 16:15:40 Where says that, you know, it's not to be used by the public or place of human habitation or employing that were higher culture products or process treated or packaged. 16:15:48 So that's where that basis came from. That wasn't something that we just came up with. 16:15:53 That is actually a legal definition. Okay, thanks for that clarification. 16:15:59 I appreciate your clarity, Phil. Great presentation. Continue it until next week and written testimony can be received up until Friday the thirteenth at 4 30 pm. 16:16:20 Because we want to hear from you people. Okay, so I'll close the, the oral hearing. 16:16:29 Now, and we will continue our deliberations next Monday. Sixteenth at 2 30 PM. Okay. 16:16:39 And that, concludes our business here for the time being and, concludes our business for the day. 16:16:46 So I don't know anything else really good to the order. It's been a, depressing day around the courthouse. 16:16:56 Folks, it's been a headachey depressing day around the courthouse folks and I'm not going to go into specifics Yeah. 16:16:58 Doings in the county family and Just feeling. Yeah. Okay. I did want to also do it here that I did. 16:17:11 I just got an email from Gave Shoper who were speaking by earlier. Our great partner attack from DC and he's already put on the free version of the 2020. That's excellent. 16:17:23 Proper. Thank you. His mother must be so proud. Okay, great.