HomeMy WebLinkAboutclosed_caption09:00:41 Hmm. I have a copy. We can pass it amongst ourselves.
09:00:55 Okay. I'm with you, Heidi.
09:01:05 Just one person could read this. You can share, me know how to do that. Okay. Hmm.
09:01:16 Oh no, it's working. If they have been working for long, alright, Good morning, everyone.
09:01:36 I will call this meeting in the Board of County Commissioners to order for October sixteenth, 2023.
09:01:45 And we will begin as we do every week with with public comment.
09:01:51 Anyone, we don't have anyone in the chambers with us today, but anyone who is online with us, you can hit the raise hand button or star 9 if you're on the phone to.
09:01:58 Make a call, Pcom for up to 3Â min. We would love to hear from you.
09:02:11 We'd love to hear from you. If you have any public comment, you can hit the raise hand button or star 9 if you're on phone.
09:02:21 Alright, we have one.
09:02:27 No one.
09:02:36 Welcome, Mr. Chair. You have 3Â min.
09:02:39 Good morning commissioners. One at all. I, you have later on in your meeting today and this afternoon, you're gonna be taking up again the some proposed changes to the county
code regarding G agricultural buildings.
09:02:56 And I've sent in some written testimony. About that. But there's one part of that, code change that I, that I wanted to re-emphasize because I'm not sure if you're gonna have
additional public testimony this afternoon.
09:03:10 The thing that I want to focus on here is that this proposed code. Amendment includes some new language which which states, quote, the building official has exclusive discretion
to determine whether a building or structure qualifies.
09:03:27 Well, that part really concerns me. Exclusive discretion. Wait, what?
09:03:36 The building official is now judge, jury, and executioner. There's no administrative appeals process. There's no nothing.
09:03:45 That, that doesn't seem right. In fact, it seems downright unconstitutional. Terms of due process.
09:03:52 Without, you know, without a clearly defined administrative process for appeals and so forth. That language is just, well, first of all, I just think it's unnecessary.
09:04:02 I mean, there are all kinds of things that are unexpected, reviewed and so forth and if they're found to be in violation of code, then there's already a process in place to
deal with that.
09:04:19 Okay.
09:04:14 And I't see the point of adding that. To this part of the code specifically. With that word exclusive no that that just needs to be revoked I'm sorry that that's just unacceptable
to me.
09:04:29 And as I said, I have other detailed concerns about the proposed code revisions and I've documented those in my written testimony.
09:04:37 So I just wanted to cover that. Thanks very much.
09:04:40 Thank you very much, Mr. Trish. As always, we'll respond to public comments after we've heard them all.
09:04:48 Anyone else like to make public comments today? We would love to hear from you. Is it raise hand or star 9 if you're on phone?
09:04:58 Alright, why don't we bring Nina over?
09:05:10 You know, you can, You can unmute yourself and we would love to to hear from you.
09:05:20 You have 3Â min to comment on anything on the agenda or anything else. That's in front of us.
09:05:26 We can hear you. Yes, thank you. Thanks for being here.
09:05:25 Can you hear me? Okay, hi, good morning. I'm calling in from a a cell phone and this is my First, Jefferson County Commissioner meeting.
09:05:38 So thanks for the opportunity and, I live in Kalam County actually, but I do spend a lot of time in East Jefferson County.
09:05:50 Hiking. And I work part-time for the Center for Responsible Forestry. So I wanted to thank.
09:05:58 The commissioners for their leadership in protecting older forests and for nominating acreage to be included in the state's 2,000 acre climate solutions account funding program.
09:06:13 It's really great to see that. And today I want to bring up. Hey forest that was not included, it's called Last Crocker and I Haven't been able to visit but I've seen a lot
of the pictures that show that it is a mature forest.
09:06:33 That meets many of the meets the criteria of mature forests by the DNR with multiple species of large trees.
09:06:45 Mid story understory that's very diverse and lots of forks and boroughs and branching that shows the forest will turn into old growth and what struck me about it was the the
wetness of the forest.
09:07:07 There seemed to be a lot of like marshland and water all throughout the sale and that is that is pretty unique to see and I do know that it's like a very lowland area there
right along.
09:07:27 That is important for Go filtering water and providing water. To the nearby waterways that might have salmon in them.
09:07:39 And providing moisture to the to the forest, protecting that area from. Severe forest fires. So I would like the board, the commissioners to consider that if they are not mature
acres in the nomination list.
09:07:58 Then those could be replaced by mature acres in Last Crocker. Since nominations do not need to be limited by parcel boundaries.
09:08:09 So I wanted to recommend having a look at last cracker, maybe a visit. I do hope I get to visit.
09:08:15 And see the beauty of that forest. So. Thank you and, Look forward to commenting more.
09:08:25 Thanks.
09:08:26 Thank you very much, Nina. All right, I see Jim Oliver has raised his hand.
09:08:31 Let's bring Jim over and, Jim, you can go ahead and unmute yourself and once you get unmuted, you have 3Â min.
09:08:38 We can hear you.
09:08:37 Hey, can you hear me? I wanna say that I am 110% in agreement with the previous comment.
09:08:45 And I will add my own thoughts to it. Yeah, large firms like Ray and Pope resources are trying to turn the entire state of Washington into a Douglas per monocot plantation on
a 30 to 50 year rotation of clear cutting.
09:09:00 And the state DNR is more than happy to help them. Jefferson County is ground 0 for this and much of our county is a monocot tree plantation already.
09:09:09 A few mature forests remain. Places where one can actually lie down on a soft bed of moss.
09:09:15 Places that are actually navigable to bear and deers that aren't thick with blown down debris made by diesel powered feller bunchers.
09:09:23 But the DNR and their corporate overseers would like to clear cut even these last refuges.
09:09:29 And that's what we're here to talk about today. As the previous commenter said, we are urging you to urge the DNR to cancel the last cocker timber sale and put it into conservation.
09:09:40 Hillary France, the supposed leader of the DNR, is running for governor and her main funders are Sierra Pacific Industries, a giant mega corporation that is the largest landowner
in California.
09:09:51 And the main bidder on Washington state timber sales including right here in Jefferson County. The huge timber companies have had their preferred candidate in the post of public
lands commissioner for almost 8 years and now they're trying to get another one in there.
09:10:05 And now they're trying to get a governor too. She is running the DNR exactly as a timber company executive would.
09:10:13 And the last Crocker forest here in Jefferson County is next on the chopping block.
09:10:17 Please. The DNR to cancel the last Crocker timber sale. All future generations will be extremely grateful.
09:10:25 Thank you.
09:10:27 Thank you very much, Jim.
09:10:30 Anyone else with us today that would like to make public comment? We would love to hear from you.
09:10:34 You can hit. Start 9 if you're on the phone or the raised hand button and we'll bring you over.
09:10:42 Make one more call for anyone that would like to make public comments. Please hit the raise hand. I see we have another.
09:10:50 I want to bring this ball over.
09:10:59 Morning, Jenny. I have 3Â min.
09:11:03 Yeah.
09:11:01 Good morning, can you hear me? Perfect. Thank you very much. I didn't really prepare any comments.
09:11:09 I'm gonna just ramble. I apologize for that. A couple of points I wanted to hit.
09:11:13 Thank you, Commissioner Dean, for joining the Northwest Watershed Institute. And some representatives from the Department of Natural Resources to take a tour of the proposed
day bob natural area expansion last week it's It's Very humbling and I'm very grateful that all 3 of you have now joined us for this tour.
09:11:43 I, I'm struggling for the words here. Just thank you for your participation.
09:11:51 I feel so. Fortunate to live in an area where we have elected representation that engages with us on these types of issues and many other abroads with us on these types of issues
and many other a broad diversity of issues and you are actively involved in these types of issues and many other a broad diversity of issues and you are actively involved in these decision
making processes and you are actively involved in these decision making processes and you support the people.
09:12:13 So thank you for that and thank you for all joining us. We're still working to get this expansion approved.
09:12:21 Of course, you know, I agree with the other 2 comments about the crocker parcel as well.
09:12:29 The other thing I wanted to mention was this. Agricultural code revision. You've received my comments.
09:12:38 I apologize. I have not heard. I missed the meeting last week where there was a break a briefing on this issue so I have not had a chance to hear that.
09:12:47 And I don't know. I don't know if that recording is available. I generally assume that it is operator error on my part that I'm unable to access this although I do know that
you did have some recording difficulties, but I've not had a chance to listen to it yet.
09:13:05 The other thing I wanted to mention aside from what Mr. Teersch has mentioned, which I completely wholeheartedly agree with.
09:13:11 Is the dollar value threshold at $3,000 You can't shake a stick at a pile of lumber.
09:13:21 For $3,000. So to make that the threshold I think is prohibitive for anybody to do any modifications or additions or you know corrections to issues they may have with their
property.
09:13:37 So I think that that $3,000 limit should be. Really scrutinized more heavily. I think that's probably it.
09:13:45 You've received my written comments. Thank you very much for your participation.
09:13:49 Thank you, Jean. Anyone else like to make public come today? We would love to hear from you.
09:13:56 Can hit star 9 if you're on the phone or that raise hand button.
09:14:01 Yeah. Alright, I don't see anyone else right now, but we will keep public comment as is our custom open until 9 30 and I'll turn to my seat m to see what kind of response we
have.
09:14:16 Okay. Okay. Monday morning. So, I.
09:14:29 I share some concerns about the egg. The new egg building code and I also, was not here last week had to be at a state board of health meeting.
09:14:40 Which conflicted. And so look forward to more discussion on that today. I do.
09:14:49 Believe that there are some subjective decisions. It's very difficult as Ms. Fall just pointed out.
09:14:58 You know, we're always trying to strike a balance between having these prescriptive Codes, you know, things like dollar values, which can seem really arbitrary.
09:15:09 But then also not making them too subjective like Mr. Cheers pointed out. Where it's you know one person getting to make that call but I do think it's important that we take
a close look at that.
09:15:21 There are a number of truly agricultural buildings that, they would not currently meet the proposed code requirements and.
09:15:32 You know, things like greenhouses in particular, which do have coming in them, for example.
09:15:37 So, sorry I missed the discussion last week and look forward to diving into that more fully this afternoon.
09:15:46 As Miss Ball said, had a great, tour down in, in the forest, with some D and our leadership and, look forward to sharing an idea with you guys that came out of that meeting.
09:16:01 Later today. . The you know, to be honest, I have not looked into the, last Parker lost last last.
09:16:16 Just haven't had time to dig into that or not, but I, in some ways I feel like with so many balls in the air.
09:16:22 With DNR. Forestry policy considerations. I am not inclined to, Go anywhere with that request unless, you know, unless one of you were to say, oh, this is, you know.
09:16:37 Extraordinarily important. But you know, I know that, really struggling their financial model is broken and you know we have been asked pushing for change there But I feel like
we have to continue to apply pressure in a strategic way.
09:16:56 And we have some really good avenues right now. They have. That's through the legislature largely, and with the help of.
09:17:03 And some of our local advocates have developed more tools for us. And so I'm interested in really trying to pursue and some of our local advocates have developed more tools
for us. And so I'm interested in really trying to pursue and perfect those tools.
09:17:14 And that probably means, the, much of the train being on the usual tracks, which I agree is very problematic.
09:17:20 But we need to. I would suggest we put our energy into really building out these other tools and So that we slowly move the train off of the old track onto anyone.
09:17:32 Great. Tidy, anything to add? Flying close to this. Yeah, so on the forest front.
09:17:39 I have been. Probably working full time and it was not my other. 29 other committees as a commissioner.
09:17:48 On the forest front with DNR and as I've said in multiple other meetings, you know, we've stated in a pretty specific letter to DNR what we would like to.
09:18:00 Collaborate with them on and see them work towards. On our behalf and I'm not inclined to move away.
09:18:08 From what we've asked them to do. And I'm more inclined to, as Kate said, make sure the tools that.
09:18:15 I personally have spent a couple of years refining. Work for our community. So I'm continuing my work on the Trust line transfer program.
09:18:24 I've Raise my hand to be on the DNR work group that came out of the 83 million dollar budget proviso.
09:18:33 I've worked with Mallory Weinheimer. And Katherine Copis to identify specific parcels that could address All elements of that proviso and now we need to work to see that those
parcels.
09:18:44 Fit the criteria that they're. Targeted for and that's a ton of work. It's more work than I have to do.
09:18:51 So I'm not inclined and we've also been talking with DNR about being okay with some of their timber sales.
09:18:58 So I'm not inclined to jump up and down about this one. Sorry folks. But I am inclined to keep doing a lot of work on behalf of forests and to ensure that the tools that A number
of us in Washington have spent a couple of years revising and refining and creating actually get operationalized and we see some.
09:19:22 Gains for the forests of Washington from those tools so that may sound like a politician but I guess I've been reminded this weekend a number of times that I am one and.
09:19:33 You know, I'm proud to represent our community and I know that the majority of our community relishes the forested landscapes that surround us.
09:19:43 And I know the uniqueness of these older legacy, whatever you want to call them, structurally complex.
09:19:51 Or as they're incredibly important. And we want to protect as much of them as we can. Well we can.
09:19:58 So. I'm sure I'm gonna get blow back from the timber industry about everything I just said, but.
09:20:08 You know, I'm a little bit curious about what Nina said about the marshes and that in the last cracker timber sale.
09:20:18 Dnr does a good job with its forest practice. Applications in there. You know, sticking to their, habitat conservation plan and they're sustainable or their little growth forest
policy and our sustainable forest policy, all the policies that guide them so I You know, I would think that they would leave those areas wetlands out of a timber sale, but I would
like to know more about that if there's
09:20:43 specifics. That somebody could share. And I am also curious about the ag building.
09:20:54 Policy that we'll be talking about later this afternoon. I've received a number of specific comments and.
09:20:59 I don't know if this needs more that the subject needs more of a workshop, but it just.
09:21:05 Feels like they're enough questions that I hope that we can get to some answers this afternoon.
09:21:11 Can I ask a question about that? Did you guys get into that much last week? The details of the proposed ad code changes?
09:21:20 I mean the details of them principally are the definition, the addition of the state definition and I think what Mr. Teersch called out today.
09:21:27 All the other things deploying everything is in existing Ag building and I think what If I'm characterizing what Mr. Saseer, how, how we portray it, I think it's.
09:21:35 Maybe I'm also putting some of my own. Assertions into I think it's really it's real,ing to Say, oh yeah, this is an act building.
09:21:44 This is an ad building. And this is an ad building. And they're really conscious of. You know especially when properties change hands and uses change that oh it's an ag building
it's always an ad building though i've got all my vintage cars in there now or something so the changes aren't that much but i think they're trying to preserve D's ability to say That
doesn't look like
09:22:05 an ag building. But the plumbing, and he did talk about planning. We did talk about that and irrigation and that kind of thing is, acceptable.
09:22:15 It's really if it needs to get permitted by environment of public health. They're really trying to get at You know, is it farmworker housing?
09:22:25 That's what that's what he talked about last week. Yeah, I just don't want it to have a chilling effect. That's what that's what he talked about last week. Right, right.
09:22:31 Yeah, I just don't want it to And so we can get into it with him later. I think it's worth diving in deeper.
09:22:42 Were you able to review it from last week. I think it's worth, worth diving in deeper.
09:22:49 Were you able to review it from last week? No, I didn't. I didn't watch. I'm not sure.
09:22:53 Carolyn, to that. Pull comment. Is it up and available to watch at this point?
09:22:56 Or you could have any. If I can't, there's submit a lot of these with issues, but if not, it's available on in laser, and, you know, VSC, in files.
09:23:06 So Yeah, forcing commissions, order commissioners, Great. And we can take in a little bit more, of course, for public and public.
09:23:18 Password and. It's telling me when I use those passwords that my passwords are potentially corrupted or we should be concerned.
09:23:27 It's telling me when I use those passwords that my passwords are potentially corrupted or we should be concerned. No, you just hit okay and I haven't been told you can't change
it anyways.
09:23:28 Okay. Hmm. All right.
09:23:34 I mean, I, agree with you guys about the, the forest issues and last pro.
09:23:40 I think we are, you know, we have a lot of stakeholders in this, including one that hasn't been mentioned as the through your taxing districts and really our kind of not working
south of 104 in our in our asks was also a big concession to the junior taxing district, specifically the fire districts that say this is a real critical piece of our.
09:23:58 Of our budget. And we did talk about that last week because I did have a meeting with chief family the week before and I specifically.
09:24:05 Decided that meeting and you know. Are in collaboration with DNR saying that we're not gonna.
09:24:13 Work to oppose timber sales south of one of 4 reminding people out loud again. Right. And so it's you know, maybe a little bit.
09:24:24 Yeah. So I mean, there's a lot of work going into these and we're trying to you know build and preserve relationships with DNR and make sure that, you know, DNR is a very responsible.
09:24:34 With that trust and part of it is keeping those junior tax and districts whole. And so we gotta gotta honor the system as well as I think we're we're really working hard especially
with your hiding leadership to preserve more and more of that of that land but at the same time recognizing that DNR, you know, unlike the commercial timber industries.
09:24:56 I mean, fully half of their land is encumbered and protected. So there's we're frequently reminded you know so that letter didn't quite satisfy anyone you know that might be
the perfect letter.
09:25:10 But do take your point. And about the ag building, you know, I've, I will.
09:25:17 Hemed hard on this, myself.
09:25:22 I don't know, the adding the definition I think is good and I think digging in a little bit more on that exclusive discretion and what is the appeal process after that?
09:25:32 Because I'm sure there is an appeal process. I think it's just, you know, I imagine that it came out of conversations where like, you can't tell me that's what's an ad building.
09:25:41 I'm storing my feet in there. It's an ag building, but I think that's worth a little conversation.
09:25:45 But if you look, if you look it up like it's a a handout number 14 or something that we've had 2,014 that has all the other rules already are in there.
09:25:54 I think the 10 foot proximity has been an issue and Phil talk very clearly about that's really about fire safety and everything.
09:26:02 I just wish the uses like just having the USB livestock is very narrow. There's a lot of other agricultural uses, agricultural building.
09:26:12 So that's really my concern is expanding that the uses to reflect actually what the uses to reflect actually what the current agriculture looks like in Jefferson County, which
may be the, the uses to reflect actually what current agriculture looks like in Jefferson County, which may be.
09:26:23 Processing. It might be crops with very low risk. Crops like in Jefferson County, which might see processing. And Jefferson County, which might see processing it might be crops
with very low risk. Yeah.
09:26:33 You can store tractors I did recently license our farm truck as a farm truck. So it's a great loophole for those that have farm vehicles that they just use as phone vehicles.
Yeah.
09:26:43 Could I mention the One of the commenters had a concern with the $3,000 limit. Not at least 1,500.
09:26:52 So that one got double. And so. Oh, right. And so that, yeah, thanks for bringing that up, Mark.
09:26:59 And that's not associated with that, Mark. And that's not associated with the add buildings, of course, but just any construction.
09:27:06 And that's not associated with the ad buildings, of course, but just any construction. If you do more than $3,000 worth of course but just any construction if you do more than
$3,000 worth of materials into a project is when a threshold when you contemplate.
09:27:08 Well, on a permit for it. And, Yeah. Does that include greenhouses?
09:27:15 Greenhouse would be in that building. You don't need a permit at greenhouse. Well, it's over 13.
09:27:20 $3,000. I mean, no, no, no, that $3,000 is for normal construction, not ag building construction.
09:27:24 You could build a $20,000 ad building. You don't have to permit it. Currently, I mean, with this definition we're considering today, a greenhouse would be, would not be considered
a Mac building.
09:27:38 It's not used for livestock. It has often has water running to it. And so, the greenhouse would not, that's how I read it.
09:27:45 But yeah, and there's been a question in our code previously about whether greenhouses should be considered add buildings or not.
09:27:52 So to clarify that would be helpful. Has anyone been to Springfield or any of the farms?
09:27:59 You don't have any of the farm? Or any of the phones? You see, on them. Yeah, and they're very low risk.
09:28:01 I think I feel like we talked about that. I don't think you have to permit it.
09:28:06 Most the funding news from Washington or federal programs. You know, Thanks. Yeah, I would that it would be nice to be as clear as we can.
09:28:16 Yeah, we're digging into the. I hope I'm not. Language. My read of it is that it would not.
09:28:21 Okay. Yeah, well, we're worth and we are going to take take this up again as a reminder to the public.
09:28:30 We had a hearing last week. We continued for written. Testimony up until Friday afternoon at 4 30 so testimony is closed but we will pick it up and address these questions at
2 30 when we're joined by Phil's this year.
09:28:45 I mean one last call for public comment if anyone hasn't made public comment. And would like to make public comment.
09:28:50 We would love to hear from you. Do you remember if there was, oral testimony, in the discussion last year, I see testimony in our.
09:29:01 We had one, well, there, Mr. Tears testify. It was the only one person to choral testimony last week. Okay.
09:29:11 Or I guess it was public comment because it was the only one person to portal testimony last week. Okay, or I guess it was public comment because no, it was testament. Okay.
09:29:15 Or I guess it was public comment because no, it was testament. It was, it was, okay, great. Thank you. And we extended the hearing.
09:29:16 We thought you should be. Participant in it and with the integers people's day many people thought we would be closed so not open so we wanted to make sure everyone had that
chance.
09:29:24 And I went on the radio on Friday too to talk about it and amplify it and it's just to see your joining.
09:29:29 Okay. One last call for public comment. We would love to hear from you. You can hit the raise hand button or star 9.
09:29:39 Okay.
09:29:49 Hmm.
09:29:56 Can you, can you hear me?
09:29:53 It's nice. Okay, and good to hear you, George. Please.
09:30:00 Okay. Just a quick comment. if you haven't had a chance to review the egg study process that The port is doing, I would urge you to look at that.
09:30:14 It's a that's a very thorough process. That I've, vested interest as well as.
09:30:20 The scientific community in it. And, I'm sure that it will. Have some impact on DCC or the whatever they are.
09:30:33 And, it looks like a very good program. So, urge you to look at it.
09:30:42 Great. Thank you very much, Mr. Young.
09:30:46 Okay. With that we will close public comment and take a quick look at our consent agenda. We'll presume it was quick.
09:30:58 Any questions or comments on the consent agenda?
09:31:10 Good to see more sewer project contract worth moving forward. A little creek going on, but I think that's pretty inevitable.
09:31:22 You know, digging in on that LTAC funding process and I'm interested in. This isn't related to item 2, but just in interested in making that whole LTEC.
09:31:34 Process more transparent. It's been a couple of years of learning how it's worked in the past now and I feel like now I'm focused on.
09:31:41 Improving it for the future. We have a number of grant making. I'm using air quotes here, processes that we leave as commissioners and.
09:31:51 I think it would be good to review, you know, kind of how we do those. Kind of whole cloth for behavioral health or LTAC or PIF or housing fund board and just make our processes
as kind of clear as possible so that.
09:32:07 There aren't as many questions about how things are. Well, I mean, I had a comment kind of to that point.
09:32:16 Seeing that Piff, great, great, that we have, you know, 800 K to put into the RP from PIF and wondering.
09:32:20 You know, if we wanna start looking at for all of these things. Setasides.
09:32:25 Kind of to build capacities with their programs. You know, PF has the ability to I think carve out for affordable housing at this point or workforce housing, right?
09:32:34 And you know, we talked about LTAC and some of the frustration as an applicant even before I was a commissioner I'd had frustration at oh it's just going to all of the the same
you know pillar institutions and if you're gonna do that then maybe we should not make that part of the RFP process, decide how much we're going to put in there so we have a real, you
09:32:51 know, everyone that's in the RP process is on a level playing field. And the same with, Like housing fun board, you know, if the funding of the emergency shelter, which is critical
when both city and county really want to make sure that we maintain that kind of bottom rung of the housing continuum, then we should make those decisions.
09:33:13 So I'm not sure if that's what you're talking about, but I think it's, yeah, I mean, it is the idea of.
09:33:18 Creating a budget for these programs of allowable expenses. Before we put out an RFP.
09:33:25 Makes sense to me and I've been reviewing Clem and Kidsap and Port Townsend and Island County and a number of other LTAC programs just to see what other folks do and looking
at their last agendas and what their budgets look like and.
09:33:41 For the most part, most organizations or entities do have a budget that pulls at least 50% of LTAC into One projects that they know they're going to need the funds and then
puts out an RFP for the remainder of the balance in the city of Port Townsend's case.
09:34:01 They collect between 500,000 $550,000 in LTAC funds. And they're doing a grant program that's 20 to 30,000.
09:34:13 So, you know, I mean, I'm not saying we should pull our entire almost 800,000.
09:34:20 So, you know, I mean, I'm not saying we should pull our entire almost 800,000 and allocate it to you know pet projects but I'm saying that We should look at the things that
We've funded for decades as part of LTAC and provide a budget for those things and then In some cases, I think some of those larger.
09:34:36 Items those larger grants we might wanna parse apart like the 4 operating from advertising or whatever but Be very specific about what we're funding.
09:34:46 The budgetary part of a funding source like LTAC and then what? What the grant RFP is for.
09:34:55 I know I'm of, mixed mind about this and I've actually served on fewer of those funding boards.
09:35:02 So it was on PIP and now I'm having fun boards and some experience certainly but less I think you guys have handled more of those.
09:35:09 Cause, and behavioral health. But you know, it is a valuable way to be able to both keep things kind of fresh and competitive.
09:35:21 And I know very little about the city's process, but I know that they were really ready for a big change process but I know that they were really ready for a big change and
how they use those dollars after having used them largely one way for.
09:35:30 Okay. And. You know, I, I think it is in some ways it's nice to have that funding to be a way that we can kind of.
09:35:42 To see some priorities into sectors. I mean, we know it's easy to just do things a certain way because it's the way it's been done.
09:35:53 It's easy to just do things a certain way because it's the way it's been done.
09:35:54 And so this is an opportunity where you could say, hey, we actually really want to prioritize this and and have folks have to like be thinking about what's most important and
sell themselves a little bit.
09:36:04 So I don't know. I'm a little bit torn. Yeah. Well, I don't think they need to be torn because I think that's why exactly what we're talking about is how do we how do we keep
the ideas fresh and how are we responsive to the community instead of just a Kind of stale process that just funds the same things because because it looks nimble but it isn't necessarily
nimble, I think, how you're saying.
09:36:33 Yeah, it's very much so. And I think it would be a good thing to workshop and come up with, you know, just in terms of.
09:36:34 I mean, Kate, I have written. Hundreds of grants to get collectively and You know, I mean, I've seen really great foundation grant.
09:36:43 Guidelines that I've seen Especially once and I think it would be good to have, and and clear guidelines so that people don't aren't confused.
09:36:57 What our intentions are with the funding. Cause I think we owe that to our, our public and our entities that are.
09:37:04 Needing the support. Yeah, and I do know it's a hanging in the butt for that and apply for these and not know if they're gonna get in a base funding, right?
09:37:14 So I get that it's problematic, but I'm just afraid of giving up that opportunity to.
09:37:17 Help. You know, drive investment in certain. No what the actual liquid amount is, right?
09:37:29 You know, I mean, if we wanna make sure that the historical society stays, you know, liable and we want to make sure, you know.
09:37:36 I think our visitor centers stay viable. So. How much does that take and then so so we have because we have new nonprofits come up all the time that are yeah, our itching to
compete and when they look at the the total amount of money you know it takes a couple of cycles to know well you take off 50% off the top for the ones that always get funded.
09:38:00 So having a prize for life or better word would be, I think. More nimble and less nimble. Okay.
09:38:39 Okay. Anyway, so that was my common and consent. Sorry. This items brought that front.
09:38:49 I wanted to say this out loud because we can't talk to each other otherwise. Yeah. Let's see.
09:38:57 So, Mark, maybe put a PIN in the idea of the funding, funding. Thank you.
09:39:06 That's, that's all my comments. Love seeing continued funding for the accessibility and the public health mobile app and you know.
09:39:17 I think it would be great to expand this. At some point, to the whole county.
09:39:23 Very valuable. Alright, if there's no other questions or comments. I would welcome a motion to approve and adopt the consent agenda for October A second.
09:39:42 It's been moved and seconded to approve and adopt the consent agenda for our October sixteenth. 2023 as presented all in favor indicate by saying aye.
09:39:50 Aye. Okay. Alright, now finally we're gonna get to our. Originally on our calendar and on the second a proclamation for a national disability employment month.
09:40:07 You guys all have access to the proclamation? Do we bring Anna over? Oh, great.
09:40:18 I'm trying to bring over Taylor Webster, but they're, Taylor, we'd love to have you over if you.
09:40:20 Okay, and so as is our custom, we will be and adopt the proclamation. I have a additional a few additional honors.
09:40:29 That we want to read to really thank and recognize some of the businesses that participate in these programs. And support our intellectually and just just and developmentally
disabled friends and and neighbors and family and and then we'll we'll hear from Anna and Taylor you know how it is on the street.
09:40:51 So thank you so much for being here, Anna and putting this together. Okay, let's go.
09:40:59 Youngest oldest. Bring it up the rewriting. Feeling old today. Wait, Heidi is older than your kid?
09:41:13 Yeah, I'm big sister. Not much. A proclamation, National Disability Employment.
09:41:28 Not. Whereas the purpose of National Disability and Employment Awareness Month is to educate the community about disability employment issues and celebrate the many and very
contributions of Jefferson County's employees who experience intellectual developmental disabilities and individuals who experience other types of disabilities.
09:41:46 And whereas disabilities, including sensory, physical, mental, and cognitive disabilities, know no boundaries and affect people of all races, religions, ages, cultures, economic
groups, and educational levels.
09:41:58 And individuals with disabilities represent 12.9% of the Washington state population or one out of 8 individuals and?
09:42:10 Where as nationally, only 19.1% of persons who experience disabilities are employed. But per person, but for persons without a disability, 63.7 are employed.
09:42:16 And Whereas local businesses who welcome the workforce talents of individuals who experience intellectual or developmental disabilities are critical to building an inclusive
and robust economy.
09:42:32 And whereas Jefferson County supports the goals of diversity, equity, inclusion, access, to building an inclusive and robust economy.
09:42:37 And whereas Jefferson County supports the goals of diversity, equity, inclusion, access, economic self-sufficiency and and.
09:42:47 Whereas Jefferson County supports the goals of diversity, equity, inclusion, access, economic self-sufficiency and work is a fundamental part of identity and offers purpose
Whereas the values and diversity of people of Jefferson County have made this county a leader in the state of Washington.
09:42:53 In business and employment opportunities for individuals, individuals who experience intellectual, developmental, and other disabilities. Now therefore the Jefferson County
Board of Commissioners hereby commits to taking steps throughout the year to recruit, retain, and advance individuals with disabilities and employment in order to promote economic self-sufficiency
and full participation and proclaims October, 2,020 third.
09:43:18 Excuse me, 2023 as national disability employment. In addition, we urge all citizens to join in observing this occasion by recognizing the talents of all people, including people
who experience intellectual developmental and other disabilities as a critical part of our efforts to build an inclusive community and a strong and diverse economy.
09:43:38 Proclaimed the sixteenth day of October, 2,023.
09:43:41 Great. I welcome a motion. I am. Happy to make a motion.
09:43:49 Declaring October, 2023 as national disability employment month. Okay, it's been moved and seconded all in favor indicate by saying aye.
09:44:00 Aye. And now I'd love to, give a little bit more, as a member of the Jefferson County intellectual developmental disabilities advisory board and on behalf of the board the Jefferson
County IDD program individuals who experience intellectual and developmental disabilities and the supported employment provider Cascade Community Connections.
09:44:21 Good to see Taylor. I would like to recognize the following businesses for employing people who experience intellectual and developmental disabilities.
09:44:28 ACI boats, anchor restaurant and bar. The Bishop Hotel, Cascade Community Connections.
09:44:35 Jemima Farms Dant. The Community United Methodist Church. Fort Warden Hospitality.
09:44:42 Goodwill Port Townsend. Henry Hardware, Jefferson County Public Works, Transfer Station Group.
09:44:49 Jefferson County, Y.M.C.A, 2 separate positions. Jefferson Healthcare, McDonald's.
09:44:54 Pandya more, 3 separate positions. Pizza factory, 2 separate positions. The Port Townsend School of Massage.
09:45:01 QFC, 2 separate positions. Safeway groceries. Scook him laundry.
09:45:07 Victoria Place and West Sound Marine. Thank you for being leaders in your community. By welcoming the workforce talents of individuals with intellectual and developmental disabilities,
you are indispensable to building a diverse, equitable, inclusive community, a robust economy, an economic self-sufficiency.
09:45:26 So do you support these business because they support our community? So, now we would love to turn it over. A hard list of businesses to support.
09:45:42 It's a lot. It's a big list. Yes. So, now we would love to turn it over.
09:45:43 Anna, first, do you
09:45:44 I do. Thank you, Commissioner. Good morning, everybody. Anna Mac Henry from Public Health.
09:45:49 I thank you commissioners for helping us celebrate national disability employment month. Just a few thoughts. I've experienced the field of intellectual developmental disabilities
for over 35 years.
09:46:02 I guess I would be the oldest one on that. During that time, we've seen the integration and acceptance of disabilities where there wasn't any.
09:46:12 It's hard to believe that it wasn't until 1,975 that a federal law was created that required all children with disabilities to have access to a free and appropriate public education.
09:46:24 I know we're here to recognize National Disability Employment Month, but it's important to recognize how far we've come in the last 50 years.
09:46:31 And supported employment has helped to create a full circle moment. In our state and in our county. Of course, it's also important to recognize how far we still have to go.
09:46:42 Every year we have young people who experience intellectual disabilities. Graduate from their transition program and enter the adult world.
09:46:50 Every year, many of those graduates are looking for employment. Employment opportunities continue to help create a community where where people can belong and can overcome their
barriers to work and live with passion and determination.
09:47:07 If we want to act on this proclamation, it would be wonderful if the county were to let our employment agency cascade community connections.
09:47:14 Look at matching a few people who experience disabilities to employment positions. The county has had employment positions here before pre COVID.
09:47:24 Employment for individuals who experienced disabilities is not about charity. It's about matching a job with an individual that has the correct skills.
09:47:32 In closing, I'd like to give a shout out to the many amazing people with intellectual disabilities who have lived and worked in our community.
09:47:39 Another shout out to our wonderful employers. Who have hired individuals with disabilities. And the people who work in this field.
09:47:47 They're all practiced in helping others find their superpower and we are grateful. Thank you for letting me share.
09:47:55 I have a shout-out. Thank you, Anna. For her decades of service to both with disabilities in our community and we really appreciate your leadership.
09:48:05 Thank you, Commissioner. Appreciate that.
09:48:08 And before we turn it over to Taylor, I also want to thank Anna for, you know, calling out in action because I, you know, as our strategic plan outlines, we would want to find
how can we make these proclamations more actionable.
09:48:23 So Taylor, I would love to love to hear how, we can do that and anything else that you like to share with us.
09:48:28 Yeah, thank you so much. Thank you. Good morning, commissioners. And I just wanted to say thank you for sharing your time with us this morning and thank you, Anna, for putting
together the proclamation and for all of you for reading that into the record.
09:48:43 At Pascade Community Connections we have the privilege of working with individuals with disabilities, all types of disabilities, developmental people with mental health.
09:48:54 Just veterans, physical disabilities, youth with learning disabilities, and we really focus on their strengths and their talents and the skills that they have to offer.
09:49:06 And the best thing about it is that the people we work with are ready to work. They're ready.
09:49:10 They're willing. They're able to work. And with such high turnover rates and high unemployment rates, there's really this pool of candidates that employers may not know about
and so that's sort of our mission with the disability awareness.
09:49:26 Employment awareness month is to spread the word that we're out here and there's people that want to work for you.
09:49:33 Be dedicated and be in their home community, Jefferson County and be an asset to their businesses. And so I'm really inspired.
09:49:41 To honor all of these employers today. Who have taken the step to diversify their workforce and be inclusive with their hiring practices, work with people with different abilities,
and add a different level of positivity to their workplace.
09:49:57 And our staff love working with businesses and figuring out what, what it is that they need, what, what their gaps are, and how someone can be an asset to their team and help
them further their mission.
09:50:12 So as Anna said, we'd love to see more jobs in government at the city and the county and the different departments.
09:50:21 And I think that'd be a great way to embody this proclamation year round and set an example for other businesses throughout the county.
09:50:28 So thanks so much for your time today. And really appreciate you supporting everyone in the field, the people with disabilities, and also all the employers.
09:50:41 Thank you.
09:50:39 Alright, great. Thank you very much, Taylor. And, wanna get another department on that list for, next year for sure.
09:50:48 Great.
09:50:46 So reach out and let's figure out how we do that. Yeah, I want to say thank you, to you both.
09:50:50 Thank you.
09:50:53 It's, You know, I just, when I think about the kind of social fabric we want to have in our community, it's where people are truly integrated, in a way that there's, dignity
and tolerance and celebration and you are doing that very work.
09:51:10 So thank you. And yeah, I agree. Let's find other opportunities for us to be more engaged.
09:51:17 Thank you, Commission.
09:51:19 Right, thank you so much, Anna. Thank you, Taylor. We'll see you soon.
09:51:23 Sorry, I can't join you Thursday. I got bored of health this week, but.
09:51:25 Thank you. So much. Yeah. Wonderful.
09:51:28 Alright, have a great day. Now we're, joined by Judy Shepherd.
09:51:34 I think this is, is there for our last budget, presentation? Yes, department directors and elected, breached the board on their, their, budgets.
09:51:46 You wanna take 5Â min. Yeah, we'll recess till 1055 get the mic moved over.
09:51:52 It might take some time. 55, get the mic moved over. It might take some time. And then Carolyn, you're joining us here at the table. And then Carolyn, you're joining us here
at the table.
09:56:53 Yeah.
09:56:57 Alright, we are coming back into session for our 2024 25 budget briefing regarding funds managed by the county administrator and board of county commissioners.
09:57:10 And it's nice to see AV capture working. Alright, we'll just give a moment to.
09:57:16 Calling, get ready for close up. Yeah, can we get the slow pan as she walks over the table?
09:57:22 Yes, so many people. Okay. Alright, Okay. Alright, commissioners.
09:57:41 So the week of October second, we got our department directors and independent elected officials bringing you on their budgets.
09:57:48 Their preliminary budget. Today, Karen and you, mostly, and, we're running through all the budgets managed by Caroline, Judy, and the board.
09:58:04 I know, some of them are rather small and inconsequential. Not a lot of decisions need to be made about the budgeting going forward.
09:58:15 There are some, however, affordable housing, homeless housing, LTAC, public infrastructure and so on.
09:58:23 They're . Dependent on requests for proposal and in some cases those RPs had not gone out in the preliminary budget, you know, put together.
09:58:34 Now what you see today will be modified. Between now and when I submit the recommended budget, when is that in November?
09:58:50 So, anyway, with that, I think Carolyn's gonna cover about 7 different budgets.
09:58:57 So I just want to add to what Mark said and this preliminary budget for due on September fifth. And so there's, you know, there's these are preliminary budgets for due on September
fifth.
09:59:10 And so there's, you know, there's these are preliminary budgets for due on September fifth.
09:59:13 And so there's, you know, there's these are preliminary budgets that you're seeing.
09:59:14 So we will be fine tuning and we're working through that in the month of October to get ready for the recommended.
09:59:16 So there will be some things we didn't know. We're presenting these budgets that we now know and so we will be incorporating that in the budget.
09:59:25 So just knowing that. Okay. Another example would be premiums for. We received our invoices for this year and they're quite a bit larger than we have budgeted for this year
and they're quite a bit larger than we have budgeted for this year.
09:59:41 Well, actually, that's the 2024. But we pay it. And So, alright, okay.
09:59:46 And would you prefer questions after or as you went through? I'll try to answer them as best I can.
09:59:55 If not, I don't need to hear to help. Okay. And how are you going in the order of the pages in our packet?
09:59:56 Actually, So I heard the agenda request. And I must have had dyslexia because I think I put them in a slightly different order than they appear here. Let us go. Yeah, yeah,
they appear in the American border. Okay. 59 66. That line.
10:00:18 In the agenda request. So this is, Kenny. Yes. Okay, so county administrator.
10:00:24 Budget. And this stayed the same for quite some time, but recently we married a communications specialist and a finance manager.
10:00:33 So some of that travel and, use the subscriptions are coming out of that line. That's kind of been raised.
10:00:42 Yeah, and one thing you'll see commissioners is a personal benefit line. The 2,023 budget original budget.
10:00:49 Assume I believe that the health care health premium holiday is gonna continue. We all know it's not a real double. It's just we're back.
10:00:59 We're gonna the staff. We have them. Have you not had a holiday? And well, even more though, right?
10:01:04 Because we're paying for what the staff is. And well, even more though, right? Because we're paying for what the staffs are.
10:01:07 Well, no, no, 2020, 24, not 24024.
10:01:13 Okay. And that's why I'm glad Julie and Mark are here because I pay the invoices and they do that all the behind the scenes as the why and why we do things.
10:01:23 Why do we do it? We do. And so once you have questions about this. I can move on to the next.
10:01:31 Okay. Yeah. So again, I think we stayed pretty close on the travel.
10:01:41 We have the 3 commissioners and 3 office staff that comes out of. The travel comes out of that and we've been doing pretty good. And we've been doing pretty good. When, go to
travel for WCRP, I guess, for, fully.
10:01:54 And there are some things like here, if like, on a board, they'll refund their lodging.
10:02:00 So we kind of stay pretty consistent on that, but we do have enough money upfront usually to make it.
10:02:05 This year I think we have about $12 left and you know a couple months left out of the year so I think we're doing pretty good.
10:02:14 Any questions on that? What's the, what's the revenue from historical preservation?
10:02:19 What is that? And that's so, I'm not prepared to talk about that, but that's, NARCY by RCW.
10:02:27 CC, Brady, and gives me those numbers and we pay that every year based on, you know, well, it's revenue.
10:02:34 It's not. And I believe it has to do with recorded documents. And I believe it has to do with recorded documents.
10:02:40 I don't believe it has to do with recorded documents. I got to double check. Okay. So yeah, yeah, it's already it comes in and then we go ahead and turn on it with the budget.
10:02:46 Good will be pay it through. The historical society. So is that the imaging service historical documents?
10:02:57 Yeah, I'm not sure what's coming out of this fun. Good. And it's more the the cost is more than the revenue that comes in.
10:03:00 It looks like. So these are budgeted numbers. I'd have to look, these are not actuals.
10:03:05 I'm not. I can get back to you on if you like, if you like some more information on that.
10:03:14 So, no, I don't know. We are in actual for this year for 2023.
10:03:17 Just see if we're above budget or not. Okay. Yeah, it would just be interesting.
10:03:26 So like last year it was, we had a thousand extra budget. So I came in, the invoice came in less than we needed, but.
10:03:30 Hmm. Cell phone costs. Those are good. It's about the same August operating supplies.
10:03:40 We're doing pretty good on that. We had update for a bit there because we were, I think some of ours is paying for finance manager new laptop and that sort of thing first came
on and yes, the big changes are, pay increases.
10:03:58 For staff and then of course the jump in person with benefits. Maybe capture fees on here so they're prepared maintenance.
10:04:06 I think it's about 6,000 a year for 80 caps or I can't remember off the top of my head.
10:04:12 Do we need to pay them more so it actually works? Well, right now it's been tech issues because the recent one was a monitor issue.
10:04:23 And then before that we had zoom issues. So wasn't a monitor issue. Okay.
10:04:25 And then before that, we had zoom issues. So it wasn't, they were incredibly helpful this morning.
10:04:30 It wasn't easy. Okay. They've actually they were incredibly helpful this morning. They were responsible.
10:04:31 Yeah, I love you. They were incredibly helpful this morning. They were respond. Yeah, I love you to capture because you pick up the phone and the answer right away.
10:04:34 So, Alright.
10:04:37 Okay, Board of Equalization. So this is a very small fund, but it pays, for the Gordie, the based and staff.
10:04:47 There's 3 board members, they get a hundred dollars for each year, each day they meet.
10:04:54 We use up all of the office and operating supplies and postage. Not travel, that's for they want to VOE training.
10:05:03 It's a very small amount you'll see. Training or mileage to their fore house.
10:05:08 But I think that might have been done away with because they got the $100 stipend. Actually, I'm not positive on that.
10:05:14 But it's left over for VOA training. It's like, $406.
10:05:18 Actually I'll be attending video training this week. What? Is Julian our office?
10:05:28 This is, civil service. This is mostly for exams for candidates for positions. Yeah, we have to have it, because they've got that we need actually more exams during the year
so that I'm not has increased but now it's a standard.
10:05:44 Okay. We use all up and advertising. And, and then some super small, very small budget.
10:05:54 Services and this is driven mostly by contracts that we have. Actually, every single expense, except for dB prevention, local HCW is by contract.
10:06:10 When Mark said it to Congress, dictates how much we decide for budget. Okay, we really only give the gardener community senator less than $4,000 a year.
10:06:26 We're really only give the gardener community senator less than $4,000 a year. Maintain them? Well, they're super active.
10:06:29 But don't know they they're happy. We gave them a 5% increase. And this, increase that we're planning to give the 20 fair.
10:06:38 Is that right? Right, that's an adjustment. Yes. Yeah, The 50,000 is in the agreement yet to be reached.
10:06:51 So. It's, yes, but it's still projected. Correct.
10:06:59 Yeah, so that, amount should be put into this.
10:07:03 Thank you. And then that'll be a inflation adjusted by 3%. Yeah, so as you know, we're new to having finance managers.
10:07:19 So what we've done, we're new to having finance managers. So what we've done, to discuss amongst ourselves is she definitely is the ability to know these new contract amounts.
10:07:27 And so we had a bit of a period where it's the ability to know these new contract amounts.
10:07:31 And so we had a bit of a period where transitioning. And so we had a bit of a period where transitioning and so now, so we had a bit of a period where it's transitioning to
these new contract amounts. And so we had a bit of a period where transitioning.
10:07:35 And so now, should be succeed on all the agendas. So yeah, getting her in on the loop because sometimes she's like, I didn't know where this was.
10:07:46 Many of our, you know, directors walked the meeting all day Monday. Next one is.
10:07:58 Operating transferring. Right, so operating transfers are staying the same. Is the goal, We've had a couple that have requested more, but they are both through the general fund
finance policy and support their ask.
10:08:15 Or why they are requesting more. I'm pleased to say what I've seen so far, it's only been a couple of them that are asking for And then you'll notice, for the veterans from
1 55 transfer to veterans, 0, 0, and that's because they got a very healthy fund balance.
10:08:37 No, and do not need to support, you know, they. When the board approves the resolutions, with the budget, one of those is a levy for veterans.
10:08:48 They get about 48,000 a year from that wedding. So, I think it's like another 97,000 right now.
10:08:55 Is that also reflected? It's been under subscribed a little bit. That's like another 97,000 right now.
10:09:09 Is that also reflect that it's been under subscribed a little bit recently? You know, during COVID, surprisingly, I wasn't talking about, when we do 1 5 5.
10:09:13 But, yeah, surprisingly, when we do 1 5 5. But, yeah, surprisingly during COVID we've seen less people and the things because they got from the federal government.
10:09:16 And the health department amount is the amount that they were here talking to us about. Yeah, for community development.
10:09:25 To help fund the fix. For the SDR backlog, legal lot of record and so on.
10:09:34 The board authorized them to contract the 5 firms so they're farming some of the workout. You know, the cost associated with that.
10:09:44 So this will go up. And closer staffing is dramatically improving. And so some of the salary savings we saw this year, long experience next year.
10:09:54 Hopefully. So are we gonna see this $450,000 number go up? Is that what you're saying?
10:09:59 Okay. Yeah, we're gonna ask them to support that. You know, like everybody else. Correct.
10:10:08 You know, the extent of the increase we don't know yet. I've always told Josh.
10:10:09 We need things fixed in session. I told him that we'll find a number really. And just working with the.
10:10:24 They asked the question additional. And then I think, roads as I don't know if it was roads or I know, so, but we'll have more information on that.
10:10:44 Yeah.
10:10:48 Okay. Right, The biggest one that collectively commissioners we manage and it's so large it won't fit on one page.
10:11:02 So this is where we pay information services. Facilities. This is where we pay indigent defense.
10:11:09 This is where you pay. The risk pool. And then dispatch. And also that 9 1 1.
10:11:19 Right. Well, we, I mean, I see also, the domain society would be on here if we paid them any money instead of just getting money from them and are we.
10:11:32 Taking that conversation further down the road. I mean, capital facilities or any, what are the budget? Implications of that.
10:11:41 And while there are there are 2 separate forks in that conversation one might be on the capital side the other is just operational.
10:11:51 I think I've mentioned the board that most other communities subsidize their in society. They're one of the few that do not.
10:12:00 And so I. And they don't have an executive director now, so I think the chair of the board is who I'm doing with.
10:12:09 But I will be bringing a workshop to board. With a recommendation for how coming forward. Bye.
10:12:16 There were so many demands on the general fund. Of this budget roll around, that I think we need a workshop for 2.
10:12:23 Before a recommended budget is submitted. Is there some hard choices? I think I need to know. Where the board stands on a number of these requests.
10:12:38 Well, with that one, that's also, and that could also be capital, like.
10:12:42 You know, some, sometimes the 2 are visa v. So like the, we can help them out more with capital, maybe that would, you know, make their operations.
10:12:51 Little easier and not take on that. On going, added expense. Yeah, that's the second, prom on the fourth.
10:13:03 That would be the capital side. And then so this is page 2 of. Well on page one I'm not department of the association of counties.
10:13:08 I know they were increasing their dues. Is that, do you remember if is that their total? I thought their increase was like.
10:13:18 Over a couple of years. So the number was going to go up, but I don't remember.
10:13:22 It's 27,000 and then. Yeah, it's been going. There's a lot of items on here that have been going up.
10:13:28 Who there's I also want to point out real quick the animal control facility we made. On that so I pay that monthly to central services.
10:13:37 And yeah, so chickeny forestry, that's going to go up. But that contract was just through a couple of years ago.
10:13:49 Well, that, that amendment forward was for the balance of this year. And so a new contract will be coming to a board.
10:13:53 In the next few weeks. 2024 to be on. And so I work with, Jimmy on that, you know, now.
10:14:03 So like the professional services line. That is a lot of the use that is being paid out of that.
10:14:09 So for instance, there's pea consulting. There was. Very and done.
10:14:18 Other, places that we pay that we normally don't do come out of that. Production services line.
10:14:23 Office office office and operating supplies. Half of that is our zoom licenses. We still do 3 licenses across various starting departments, including 3 webinar.
10:14:33 And so that is a half per budget. And the rest of that budget is taken out by HR.
10:14:37 And, you know, say examiner, we have to pay that every month when they come into an audit.
10:14:48 And remind me what we get for in revenue for the public defender from the Thursday. 35 K or something like that.
10:14:59 It's like 30 or something. It's going down. Oh my goodness. Well, you have the Wasn't. There's any fruit.
10:15:04 We might. To increase there. And Mark mentioned earlier about the transfer for WCRP costs. Was very large.
10:15:12 And that is distributed mostly. . That was
10:15:22 Well, there's the new. Is an assessment for the new NICO, forestry initiative, right?
10:15:32 Which would be additive. Right, that they had summarized in a proposal somewhere, but I think.
10:15:37 That we need to drill into. Small change and it's like that can be absorbed pretty easily.
10:15:47 I mean, it's nice to have the perception. Okay, this is Grant Management Fund.
10:15:51 Okay, so this is the price management fund. This is where we host ARPA. 3 years now.
10:16:00 Also our CDG funds come through here, a new area that we're going to receive funding is for the Y.M.C.A. early childhood project.
10:16:13 And so there's quite a bit of this fund is for the Y.M.C.A, early childhood project.
10:16:19 And so there's quite a bit of money that will be blowing through the fund when they start construction in 2024.
10:16:22 So we're hoping another line gets added there for the commerce. There's a So, Yeah, Oh, we've already that's already there. That's 3 50.
10:16:39 When there was the second, right? Nice. So there's public services, is, the, the CDG, is the, is the, for 200.
10:16:49 And then.
10:16:50 That's federally direct. And so the federal, we don't anticipate a congressional brand.
10:16:57 You don't really anticipate using that until 2025. Because so we would use the commerce, is the CDG in general purpose. That's the Palmer's brand.
10:17:12 That's the Palmer's. Okay. Okay, okay. I think, I think it's about administration for those grants.
10:17:15 So, you know, we're gonna charge some overhead and that would be, I think, about administration for those grants.
10:17:20 So, you know, we going to charge some overhead and that would be. I think. Greg brother time for T the board.
10:17:34 I'm glad you're also a co-host. Oh, Thanks. So yes, so the administration was still working that piece out.
10:17:52 About how much the county will receive, how much. I tried to promote you, but I was too slow, sorry.
10:18:01 So we have to still work in this bottom line. We have to work the administration part out yet. Yeah.
10:18:07 Stacey, did you wanna go back to something? Did you have a question or comment? Just come up to, I don't know, share Microsoft, Carol and Judy, I guess.
10:18:15 I was just gonna answer the, historic reservation. And the way that works, if that's okay.
10:18:26 So the money that comes in each year, I report to Carolyn and the Jefferson County Historical Society.
10:18:34 And they build a county at the beginning of each year for the prior year for 90% of what comes in.
10:18:43 And so. In 2021. We brought in 11,056 or. Recording and basically spanning the images.
10:18:58 And so that's why in 2022 the amount that went out was in And so January of this year, what went out to them was 7,030.
10:19:15 They're requesting 6,000. So we paid the 7,000 this year this coming year through the end of September.
10:19:25 Only $4,327 have come in and so like recording and all of the transactions their way down so I can see why they put 6,000 for this.
10:19:38 24, which will get paid in February Thanks, Daisy. Thanks. And so the expenditures will go down to reflect that.
10:19:47 I mean, it's just it's gonna be 90% of the revenue basically. Yes. All right.
10:19:51 Thanks. It's not a lot. So I hope you are able to, to good use. Do you mind just explaining a little more what that, services that we are able to, to good use.
10:20:02 Do you mind just explaining a little more what that, services that we do, like what triggers I, well, I don't have the details on it other than, It's a recording be for this
purpose and I believe the historic society is doing scanning.
10:20:17 Okay. That I really don't want to speak over there. Yes, and say the state pays for those documents to be recorded.
10:20:32 And the state pays for those documents to be recorded or and to understand that who's paying for that recording.
10:20:34 Those would be every document that's recorded so the fees 200 something it's going up to 300 and something some of them go to affordable housing.
10:20:45 I mean, there's a lot of them go to affordable housing. I mean, there's just a lot of Yeah, commissioner at that point.
10:21:14 Alright, take it away. Okay, so Okay, this hotel motel, we have the RFPML in the budget.
10:21:27 And so what happens with that is that once those awards are identified. We have the RFPML in the budget.
10:21:37 And so what happens with that is that once those awards are identified, then we have the RFP amount in the budget.
10:21:38 And so what happens with that is if once those awards are identified, then we were, we're just getting budget authority for the RP amount for this, and then it That way, bill
us next year for their.
10:21:53 We can record the expenses against the. Excellent. Thanks. I'm not sure if we've done this kind of dig before, but it's really very helpful to kind of see behind the veils of
these RFPs.
10:22:06 We're talking about in this morning during consent. It's really, it's very helpful.
10:22:09 Thank you. Okay. No health.
10:22:15 . I mean, we, yeah, the shared firm pays for discovery behavioral health And then we pay a portion of that.
10:22:26 25%. Right.
10:22:31 I'm sorry, I don't have more information on this. It is what it is.
10:22:45 Stacy is with us in the in the panel now. So Stacey, if you have anything to add just feel free to interject.
10:22:52 Okay, this is the drug line. So this used to see some activity, but lately. Not so much.
10:23:03 Not for 5 years.
10:23:04 What's that? This is like because there's no more LFOs or what? Well, the it's in its investigations and it's it's managed by.
10:23:17 I believe by the prosecuting attorney and they weren't aware that they had it and they weren't aware that they had it available so that was kind of an off home moment earlier
this year.
10:23:31 So I think we're still trying to figure out whether you need it or not. Some years ago, I know we purchase digital cameras.
10:23:42 For evidence purposes, using money in the fund. So anyway, we'll look at, we'll consult with the sharing prosecuting.
10:23:52 Let me see if this one down.
10:23:59 This is trial court.
10:24:06 This is another one of those. It's on autopilot, a certain amount of money for jobs.
10:24:12 And then for each of the 2 ports for bailiff. Let them use the, support. Yeah, I'll work with, and district 4 offices on how much they need for AV for the year and sometimes
they split the difference.
10:24:29 Sometimes they say, well, one department needs it more than the other that year. Sometimes they split the difference. Sometimes they say, well, one department needs it more
than the other that year.
10:24:33 So they kind of work together to use those. Yeah. Yeah.
10:24:40 Yeah. All right. This is the fund that, accumulated money over the course of, I don't know, 10 or 15 years.
10:24:51 We're using monies out of this. You see the 100,000. And that's for the community wildfire protection plan.
10:25:00 We'll probably reduce the 100,000 or remove it. Because I think the share ask for a emergency.
10:25:11 And I think they wanted 67,000 or so. Looking at the phone balance here it looks like we might be able to afford that.
10:25:22 And that was something that I suggested because I was in one of my WAS. Sessions. Was.
10:25:26 I just asked. I mean, have any of you used? That's all 3 money for search and rescue and they a number of people said yes and I'm like oh it was like an aha moment and then
I came back I think I said Greg in to part.
10:25:41 I was like, I think we can use TILE 3 because it's search, you came forward with the request as part of the ARPA last round, right?
10:25:46 Last call. Yeah, I think there was a minor tweak to the title 3, eligibility criteria.
10:25:54 I think it used to be that equipment that was damaged or destroyed during operations could overplace. And now you've never had equipment, maybe you can get some.
10:26:12 I currently pay the SWCA consultants for their community. Maybe you can get some. Right. I currently pay the SWCA consultants for their community wealth.
10:26:18 Prediction. As part of the recommended budget, will determine how much is left on that contract for the wall power protection plan.
10:26:26 And then should the board decide to find the vehicle. And then we would to that.
10:26:40 Alright, the affordable housing. So this again, we've got the RMP, budget, and then the 1590 fund budgeted amount.
10:26:53 So we, these are the amounts that were presented and we have to find the RNP.
10:27:04 Hmm. That's the same thing for this. The 27,000 is that.
10:27:15 Grant by Department of Commerce for the reduction of recording fees. So that 27,000 is.
10:27:24 That's the amount that we would be able to receive and it can only be get into only that.
10:27:29 As a community action program. So that's why you see that broken out as a separate. Gotcha.
10:27:42 This is our veterans program.
10:27:45 You know, we are gonna went over this. now basically amount of people that have come in requesting services as decrees during COVID.
10:27:57 During COVID, we were doing parking lot appointments. We met people in the cars and distributed funds from the program and I called the service officers and they approved telephonically.
10:28:09 And if we're back to in person now, but we still. We still have a lower. Certificates, I'm sorry, the, fear of evidence that we used to do have also gone down in previous years
we've had a higher influx in funeral office and so and we had to do budget supplements to pay for those.
10:28:31 500 and it goes to the veteran and their spouse. We don't have a bunch of fun benefits lately.
10:28:40 But I kept the same amount because we got a lower. Okay.
10:28:46 Oh. I don't even know how to explain this. So. Many years ago.
10:28:59 County guarantees some loans. For affordable housing.
10:29:08 So money was to have.
10:29:16 I don't even know that.
10:29:20 Yeah, go ahead, Stacey.
10:29:26 Okay.
10:29:21 Well, it doesn't mean I'm gonna save the day. Gosh, maybe we could come back to this while I do some research.
10:29:34 Thank you. Yeah, this. So mostly this is water pollution. 1 60 is.
10:29:44 Oh, maybe you might be thinking something else. And so, so there are loans out there and we're reaching to the end of those which is why we have a reduction of amount there
you know it's just 7,000 we're at 1,000 because I believe and Stacy and the crappy I think we only have like maybe one.
10:30:07 These are those old septic loans from the nineties.
10:30:12 Yes, so thank you so much Judy for identifying the fund each year I provide notifications to the auditor, and the health department for.
10:30:25 I believe we have 2 or 3 outstanding loans that are left and they were very low interest. For failing septic systems we had like 12 when I started 9 years ago and we either
have one or 2 now it might be down to one but when they pay it off.
10:30:48 Before closing and releasing it the health department needs to voucher out the fees for closing and recording all of the documents to be able to you know, have them have clear
title.
10:31:05 These loans are They have terms that we aren't. Doing anymore which is they either get paid upon change of ownership.
10:31:18 Or death of the owner, which is essentially the change of the ownership. So, many of them, they might, they changed when they sold the property or a couple of them refinance
or had doesn't matter they paid it off and so As I'm looking through my notes, I would be able to find it.
10:31:46 But there's another outstanding one. And so it's something where you have to have it budgeted.
10:31:50 You can't Just say that it's okay, here we go. We have One remaining loan, 1993.
10:32:01 Excuse me, 2. 2 remaining loans. One from 1993.
10:32:07 The other from 98 and You know, it's low interest, but it's kind of a shame that they weren't allowing payments in the past and I have since told the people in my annual notification.
10:32:20 That we would accept payments should they want to do that but essentially the total amount is, $18,000 between the 2 loans that's owed currently.
10:32:36 And it just keeps going the 4% right now on one.
10:32:42 Yeah, both of them are 4%.
10:32:42 Thank you. Is the old crap 3 loans or do they predate the craft 3 loans even?
10:32:51 I think they predate that because they were through a bank and then the bank decided they didn't want to do that before I came along and so Judy Morris, the prior treasure,
took them over.
10:33:08 You know, quite some time ago. And again, we just have 2 left.
10:33:16 $1,000 is budgeted for. So in case they get paid off. And 2024.
10:33:27 Okay, well thank you for bailing me out on that one.
10:33:32 Well, thank you, Judy, for the reminder.
10:33:35 Okay, Okay.
10:33:42 Alright, this is. Okay, fun. And as have you approved this morning?
10:33:51 The issue of an RFP. We didn't know that we were, well, we knew we were gonna issue one.
10:33:59 We now know the amount. And when the budgets adopted will now be individual projects that are funded and I need to point out that there are 2 lines missing on this.
10:34:09 In return, one is the 100,000 for we'll see you kind of reach 3 space 2 million for that as soon as a gateway.
10:34:18 The joint project between the ports and the city. So these numbers are understated by 1.1 million.
10:34:27 Each for 2023 and 2024. The board just extended. The deadline for both of those projects out in the 2025.
10:34:39 We're hoping that we have completed next year. So we'll have an opportunity.
10:34:54 Okay, down to the, risk management and this has to do so when we get claims. Against the county or honor things like that that follow the lower.
10:35:13 Dead. For WCRP. We actually pay them out of this fund and then that fund is actually billed.
10:35:19 The the funds, let's say it's rooms, they're following a downtown or something like that.
10:35:24 Okay. And they give a ping to the window, you know, to the windshield or something like that.
10:35:32 It's just real basic thing that happens. It's just the window, you know, to the windshield or something like that. It's just a real basic thing that happens.
10:35:34 So then the And then the auditor's office will then bill rows to pay for the claim and then we reimburse the fund.
10:35:40 . So that's why you see it's a hundred 5,150 out.
10:35:46 150 out of 150 out of 100 5,050 out 150 out of 150. It's a hundred 5,000 50 out of 150.
10:35:55 And it's just, it's just keep it this allows us to pay the claim in a tiny manner.
10:35:59 And then we just fill up the claim in a tiny banner. And then we just fill up the fund that is responsible for the thing. So there's all self-insured.
10:36:05 Yeah Okay. Okay. And employee benefit reserve. So this is, this is paid out with every payroll.
10:36:16 Excuse me. This is, paid into within the payroll. And then we have different things that we're able to pay out of there out of this.
10:36:23 One of the biggest thing is the post employment payout. So quarterly what we do is we find who is left the county during that quarter.
10:36:31 And so that we can reimburse the fund from this phone or those people that have, you know, pay out for sick time or PTO the larger payout for sick time or PTO the larger payouts.
10:36:43 And so this can be just again, it's money coming in and the larger payouts. And so this can be just again, it's money coming in and the larger payouts.
10:36:52 And so this can be just, again, it's, money coming in and money going out You know, one thing to consider that I'm not sure we have is that as we migrate to PPO.
10:36:58 And we're gonna have more payouts. Sickly. Isn't payable if you leave employment?
10:37:07 Does she retire? So PTO balances, I think, would be larger. So it may be that we have to revisit.
10:37:14 What funds pay into this fund? So.
10:37:20 Good point. It has a fairly robust fund balance, so just, but we don't wanna draw that down.
10:37:31 Alright, so that's the last of funds managed by the county administrator. And the board.
10:37:40 Great. Questions?
10:37:46 No, really appreciate it.
10:37:50 Okay, so we're gonna have a couple, we said a couple of workshops. At least one.
10:37:56 And depending on the result of that. Okay. So we do have the recommended presentation. So we'll schedule that fairly.
10:38:08 Soon. Okay. Can't be able to meet and those, that, that, support, yeah, there's, and they're set by I would be curious in the piff lines if we just approved.
10:38:22 $800,000 in the PFRP for this morning so Yeah.
10:38:30 So. Or
10:38:36 That line of. I believe. Okay, so yeah, so we have a little train rack on that.
10:38:52 So it does happen a lot like that because especially with grants too many people like, you know, for, for.
10:38:55 So it does happen a lot like that because especially with grants, too many people, like, you know, for, for, to people, like, you know, for, to people, like, you know, the ones
that apply for grants, they may get notice notification after we're working through all this.
10:38:58 So, We'll just it ends up being first floor appropriations where we have to balance those things out.
10:39:06 And the expectations we do that, which is why we did LTAC earlier, right? Smart about this stuff.
10:39:14 We can put 800. And the recommended budget. For the RP now And then between the recommended by did an adoption by the board, changes are possible.
10:39:25 And so. When the board of Adamsa budget second Monday in December, the correct amounts can actually be in the budget.
10:39:32 And Carolyn, you're clerking Piff, correct? Yeah. Yeah, that's good.
10:39:39 You can pull out. For the next, I know you were going that one day. So the RP is already out.
10:39:52 Well, you approved it this morning. We add them and post it on the website and so on. It's really quick. That whole process is like good.
10:40:06 Okay.
10:40:07 Okay. Alright, thank you guys so much. Thanks for staying with in the, you know, the budget.
10:40:14 Ask too. Yeah.
10:40:21 Alright, well that takes us to the end of our schedule agenda or time to agenda or specific items. We got briefing and calendaring.
10:40:30 Is there anything else that folks would like to talk about? Probably talk about the KPTV schedule for.
10:40:34 November. Other things we need to, something else.
10:40:43 No, we do need to schedule a workshop on, legislative priorities. And, 1117, there just coming with commerce from 10 to 12 and yeah, gotta schedule that too.
10:41:05 I think that's a, there's a. He's ready to ask for things and he was very focused on, you know, the Red and Seward specifically, I think it'd be worth.
10:41:12 Kind of strategizing for that. But we still, yeah, I spoke with Steve Deringer and on the seventeenth of November.
10:41:27 And on the seventeenth of November, he's coming and he's visiting with Steve Deringer and on the seventeenth of November.
10:41:30 He's coming and he's visiting with I think already scheduled some time with I think though it's the head of commerce.
10:41:32 They'll be here from 10 to 12. And he wants to talk about commerce things with them and planning specifically and he mentioned connection of the sewer in Brennan explicitly
Steve did so having a kind of a plan of attack.
10:41:47 Not attack, but a plan, a strategy for that meeting and and who will, who's, no, I think we'll just choose a representative to join.
10:41:59 Maybe I think, you know, we'll just choose a representative to join. Maybe I think, you know, even talked about Josh Peters and I imagine one of the commissioners.
10:42:02 Okay.
10:42:08 Maybe we should, look to, little bit of briefing and. Calendar, you wanna people wants to go first looking back.
10:42:19 Can do that.
10:42:23 Busy week last week, busy reintroduction to. Life on this side of the water, although a lot of it was on the other side of the water.
10:42:38 Monday attend the state board of health meeting in one actually yeah there's a draft out yeah and I have some I think about do we wanna discuss that in depth here or in Board
of Health?
10:42:59 Oh, how important health does make sense? Yeah, cause I mean, I can, I have some slides I can share with summary of the, changes that are being proposed.
10:43:12 I can share with summary of the, changes that are being proposed. Okay. And you're already on the, you have a standing agenda item.
10:43:17 Yeah. And, changes that are being proposed. Okay. You're already on the, you have a standing agenda.
10:43:18 It's planning on Thursday. the Board of Health met that morning and then. We're invited to join the public health leaders of the state, which was all of the, medical directors.
10:43:36 A number of health officers from around the state and some public health director. So Apple and Martine was there as well.
10:43:44 Dr. Barry was not able to be there. So, and, led by Dr.
10:43:52 Shaw, the, state medical. Director and officer. Health officer. Right. State health officer.
10:44:03 I don't think it's a more elevated title. just really talking about how to better reinforce the state's public health system.
10:44:10 In anticipation. Of another major event and how to be better prepared next time. So, it, it was good meeting but really state board health meeting was the important part and
getting me, that early.
10:44:23 Look at the. Draft outside subject code for the state, which is important and generally I think headed in the right direction.
10:44:32 I was really pleased. Yeah, it is. Trying to, allow for more flexibility, really like grappling with constrained lots.
10:44:43 Okay. Unfortunately, some of the fixes are more expensive. But at least it approved some more, options.
10:44:54 Gives health officers a little more latitude to help come up with solutions or answering properties. Okay. But there are some, pieces of it that are less, probably popular with
counties, things like the, minimum lot size is actually increased.
10:45:14 Based on soil types, and minimum lot size is actually increased, based on. Lots is actually increased, based on cell types for new septic system.
10:45:23 15,000. All the septic systems must be inspected before transfer.
10:45:40 Yeah, although that can be waved by health officer, but So is your designate? I mean, cause they usually pass a lot of those things off to environmental account.
10:45:52 Yeah, I didn't get that into the, but we can take a look at it. I said I have the red line version of it, but we can take a look at it.
10:45:56 I said I have the red line version of it, but it's, 200 papers.
10:46:04 I'm still getting through it. So if the county has an existing on a program and.
10:46:13 Parcel is their system has at least 3 years. You know, passing, INSECTIONS, then the health officer can consider waving if they have to set up a program.
10:46:27 In sections then the health officer can consider waiving if they have to set up a program. Just broken right now.
10:46:29 Right. some changes to the local management plan, which is each jurisdiction has to have a approved plan from the state for monitoring.
10:46:40 Septic systems, that, now requires areas that are, likely to be affected by sea level rise to be, given special consideration.
10:46:54 To be, given special consideration. So I think that's valuable. To take a look at areas where, is going to be an issue.
10:47:00 Yeah, I think those are some of the, the points most critical to, to count to use.
10:47:08 It doesn't prove a new nitrogen remediation based system like I said for the smaller parcels.
10:47:14 So I'll do a full report out at the, the nitrogen, remediation based system, like I said, for the smaller parcels. So I'll do a full report out at the, skateboard.
10:47:21 . so I'll do a full report out at the, so I'll do a full report out at the, so I'll do a full report out at the, stateboard.
10:47:26 Help. Would you send that? That document? I'd be interested in looking at it.
10:47:30 Yeah, I need to figure out how to separate it from the entire like 400 page board of health or is it on is it online somewhere?
10:47:32 It is. It's in a 400 page. I'll find it. Board of Health agenda.
10:47:38 Yeah, but you can't unless you have a solution. Yeah, I, I'm, to do that for me.
10:47:43 I'll find it. Yeah, and once the hearing notice is scheduled, cause our November eighth board meeting isn't hearing.
10:47:53 So then it would have all of that information more, delineated so I'll see if that is.
10:47:59 So if we testify at the hearing, do we have to notice that as a BOCC special meeting?
10:48:04 Not even if we approved, comments and this meeting or the, Board of Health. They would be powerful coming from the Board of Health.
10:48:14 Okay. So I will get you that link.
10:48:19 Soon, so you can start taking a look at it. There's a PowerPoint that.
10:48:22 Breaks out the Okay, haven't gotten very far. Let's see. Tuesday had a economic development council finance committee meeting and Not a lot of change there.
10:48:42 I think still really, you know, the EDC staff really doesn't want to go after grants and that's a pretty.
10:48:48 Or, that more effort than it's worth. And so just it's a really big existential question.
10:48:59 And so just it's a really big existential question. Should should the EDC just be, you know, going after. And so it's really big existential question.
10:49:04 Should should the EDC just be, you know, going after government partners to fund it, or be going after stock money, which comes with lots of challenges.
10:49:09 So, still a year or so, we've not resolved that question. Have some more data points.
10:49:17 So when is it worth that and when it's where is it not? Yeah. I mean, if they want to be a nonprofit and not subject the OPM, it's probably get some outside funding.
10:49:28 It seems like, pay for service for grants or something. Right. Yeah, and so they're currently organized as a C 6 not as a C 3 but that's part of the discussion is should that
structure change and needing to maintain and aren't like relationship from.
10:49:43 If they want. Done. Don't wanna operate as a function of government. So yeah, lots of lots of big. There's a function of government.
10:49:56 So yeah, lots of that's a big. It's sex exams, but. Not, charitable.
10:50:03 So unable to receive a lot of, and donations. Gotcha. The, they're looking at more membership and sponsorships as virtual revenue sources.
10:50:14 It brings up some questions with the chamber who is a number organization. It brings up some questions with the chamber who is a member organization.
10:50:17 Right. So, yeah, that is interesting. They do. Yeah.
10:50:26 And then, with the chamber and You know, I've been hearing a lot about that. So yeah, right. Yeah, I've been hearing a lot about that. So yeah, right.
10:50:36 Let's look at that. Okay. Now just the whole.
10:50:38 You know, the LTAC grants request that came in there was a number of grants or requests for Matt.
10:50:45 Creation. So who like who owns the map lane? I'm not making. I need a map for all the maps.
10:50:53 Yeah.
10:50:55 Spent Tuesday afternoon in Tacoma with the future some partnership. So got a panel about the challenges of working with federal funding right now.
10:51:06 And good conversation is appreciated. They include local governments. And the only local government representative there.
10:51:18 Because it's so much of the funding that we're talking about is coming down the transportation dollars.
10:51:24 And so, works in transportation and one person raised their hand. And Secretary Millar from watch that and the Federal Highway Administration.
10:51:34 State director had been there earlier for their panel but they left so one person like this is the problem we're all working in these silos that are talking to each other so
that you know, public works, both departments, they're not talking to our 7 enhancement group.
10:51:49 So that's gonna project like the CEO. Yeah. Yes, yes, a little bit challenging.
10:51:56 Wednesday had a great tour of the. Debb Nexal area with Peter Bales and a few division directors from DNR and.
10:52:07 The, the, my takeaway from that, Well, few things. I don't know if you've met.
10:52:21 Oh, yes, I've met him. Yeah, I've met him. Yeah, I've met him. Yeah, I've met him.
10:52:30 Yeah, I've met him. Yeah, I've got interim but fully. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
10:52:34 So join in this, I think, in turn, and now, cause in that position, he was, great, really like, yeah, he's great.
10:52:36 Don't wanna burst your bubble, but these are our challenges, for things like, we have no funding to do the management.
10:52:39 You know, we wanna, counties like guys wanna take, you know, do protections on lands, but.
10:52:46 We really need revenue from them and we get very little as it is from the harvesting and county lands.
10:52:53 25%. So it's great. You know, ground true thing as the reality of this from Vienna's perspective.
10:53:05 But what he proposed and, Mary G. Ryan had another idea for this, a couple of different models thinking about how to.
10:53:12 Collectively pool timber revenues. Within our county and distribute them in a more consistent way to junior taxing districts.
10:53:24 They do this for 6 counties in southeastern Washington, DNR. Collects all of those funds when they reach a certain amount, they do a distribution.
10:53:35 It's a more. Stable, reliable funding source. You, you could throw other, you know, if we had a active forestry program, if we are someone we're selling carbon credits that
was a revenue to the county.
10:53:47 I didn't, our own. We could put that in a pot and have that be distributed on a formula.
10:53:57 To even out some of those revenues. And have that be distributed on a formula, to even out some of those revenues.
10:54:01 And have that be distributed on a formula. To even out some of those revenues, it could also do things like part of the urban growth areas.
10:54:05 They would, you know, essentially not receive that funding, really try to put it in areas that are impacted by timber production.
10:54:11 Yeah. So, I was, I thought that was a great idea. You know, especially when we kind of, you know, even like, standing day bob, natural area, like, if you're taking things out
of production, that's gonna affect certain junior texting districts more, but this says like, hey, this is there's a benefits county wide.
10:54:27 You don't turn the counties that they do this for? I mean, that we could. It's the South East corner of the state.
10:54:41 Around. Well, I think they just have very little timber there because so much of their land is egg there.
10:54:52 And so it wasn't worth it to be. Yeah, yeah, to be thinking of those, county by 20 basis, the timber sales are so few.
10:55:05 Well it had come up as part of that legislative proviso the idea of creating a part of funding that could compensate.
10:55:11 Junior taxing districts for leaving or standing. Yeah, so it feels like there's a opportunity to maybe think about.
10:55:23 How I didn't even realize we had the authority to do that. How I didn't even realize we had the authority to do that.
10:55:30 How I didn't even realize we had the authority to do that. I thought it was in fact you have the authority to do that.
10:55:32 I thought it was in fact you that had the authority to do that. I thought it was in fact you that it had to go to the junior texting districts but it actually isn't really and
I don't question that they should get that and had to go to the junior texting districts that it actually isn't really and I don't question that they should get that whatsoever.
10:55:38 They should, but if we could make it a more consistent certain there weren't as many winners and losers but it could be more evenly distributed and like I said, potentially
even including if the county were to do a timber harvest like have a collective timber.
10:55:54 Fund. Yeah. So just very preliminary, but I think it's, It's something that I could see as we get more tools.
10:56:01 You know, so for example, the. Is it in TLT that you've got in the proviso that a certain amount could come out as cash.
10:56:13 Just for county. So yeah, you know, that be another source of revenue in there. And so, and you know, the other, this has been coming through SDI as well, the idea, how we compensate
rural school districts.
10:56:23 So I know that. Ragdolls thinking along these lines as well. Yes. Yeah, and Mike Chapman is interested in this conversation too.
10:56:32 It does remind me the 6 counties that have that combined pool. It is. It is almost entirely school instruction, trust.
10:56:47 Okay, sorry, that little, there. I had a, . Yeah. Less minutes.
10:56:59 Additional interview for planning Commissioner, district one position. Yeah, yeah. And it's funny because that there were 2 originally 2 applicants that I had I really had to
do soul searching to come up with the one that I was gonna recommend to this board.
10:57:16 And then somebody pulled out of that. So I'd already gone through this like. Hard problem, too great, 2 great candidates.
10:57:25 And this, I have to go through that again. So still, back in having 2, good.
10:57:32 That next week we will. Yeah, have a recommendation to you in district 2. We did interview our one candidate and district 2 we did interview our one candidate and recommended
appointing himself.
10:57:42 We'll have new land commissioners. Yeah, and it's Todd Welker at DNR.
10:57:48 Oh, great. Okay. Then this data plan manager. And he's not, not the planning for sure. No, yeah. Oh, okay. I can't remember. And I can't remember. He's fantastic.
10:58:08 And went to a climate solutions event with our lobbyists on Thursday night. Just good to spend some time with them.
10:58:20 With our lobbyists on Thursday night, just good to spend some time with them is new 2 new staff will be working at the Olympia office and working with us while they're retired.
10:58:24 So getting to know those one of them was the. Where the policy leads in the governor's office who just left there at once to strategy. So very, knowledgeable.
10:58:35 Right. Had a meeting at Fort Warden, with the hospitality folks.
10:58:42 Trying to. Just think about, you know, long term. Sustainability of the forwards, capital requests, and wide-ranging conversation.
10:58:55 Saturday was the annual meeting for the programs association that went well. We have a couple of new board members.
10:59:04 We did not get as many applicants for board members. We'll be having to add some.
10:59:08 But we don't have a process for that, but, so some steps down and, others, couple other stepped up.
10:59:16 It's still a couple of vacancies, so we'll be recruiting for that. But generally, I'd say that, be recruiting for that.
10:59:21 But generally, I'd say the background is stabilizing and. Having a successful bear really helped kind of galvanize that group.
10:59:28 And so, Mark and Philippe and I'll be meeting. We're slowly working on an agreement.
10:59:32 And we're late and getting that. Hey, for this years. Community services agreement.
10:59:42 So. Have some work to do there. Also Saturday went to the fire prevention event, which was really great.
10:59:56 To see how captures land. I know I was on a ferry leaving and I saw the helicopters landing and I was like, I know I was on the ferry leaving and I saw the helicopters landing
and I was like, what's going on? And I was like, what's going on?
11:00:04 Ferry leaving and I saw the helicopters landing and I was like, what's going on?
11:00:06 And then I was like, oh Go down to Memorial Field. Yeah, yeah, it's great about really, good showing of Number County departments too.
11:00:13 And, It's, that is celebrated on the anniversary of the Chicago Fire and I grew up in Chicago.
11:00:22 So it's obviously mythical in my mind, although we celebrated fire prevention, on the fourth of July.
11:00:28 And I know that because 2 years in a row when I was a kid I built. Competitive floats for the fire prevention parade in 1 2 years in a row. 1, 2 years in a row. 1, 2 years in
a row. 1, 2 years in a row.
11:00:44 1, 2, Is that the root of your biking? The first one I had to share with my siblings, we've done a joint load and so the second year I said I want my own so I went up.
11:00:59 Solo and build my own floats, which was. Radio flyer wagon with a dial house in its with all of the fire prevention techniques.
11:01:12 That's great. And the dial house. So anyway, this is. I think that it was 9 and 10 maybe.
11:01:18 Yeah, yeah. So anyway. Been interested by a prevention for a long time. It was fun to be at our local event.
11:01:32 I think you could recreate that for next year's. I used my radio player yesterday. I don't know, I don't think anyone's giving away, shin 10 feet anyway. That was a real draw.
11:01:45 Yeah. So, great event. They had fun activities for kids, showing off the sheriff's office drone, which is getting a ton of attention.
11:01:53 Cause I've had to infrared camera. And, I learned a lot from Detective Allen about the like said other counties as far as open.
11:02:05 Yeah, just great, showing all around. You there, obviously. I didn't, some of the boots were crowded and I couldn't get in.
11:02:19 Like I said, there was there was talk about the. You know, wildcard protection plan, but I didn't get into the.
11:02:29 Yeah, so. Great events. Anyway, I think that was my week. Alright, busy week.
11:02:35 Back in the thick of it. Yeah. How about you, Harry? So long ago.
11:02:47 Obviously here with you guys on Monday.
11:02:50 And then I went out to the. Swack artist and residency reveal at the transfer station and it was fantastic.
11:03:23 Yeah, it was a fun event. Yeah, look like it. Let's see.
11:03:27 Okay.
11:03:32 Oh, and then, okay, so Tuesday morning, Mark and I had a check in with our consultants from peak sustainability about the term.
11:03:42 Essentially, we are slow playing the drainage district conversation. We may come back to you next year with another extension of that.
11:03:50 Because the conservation district is currently undertaking a watershed management plan for Chem and we really want the bindings of that plan to inform.
11:04:02 Whether the drainage district is a viable or, you know, a necessary tool for the community.
11:04:09 And also the, port is undertaking it short. Short farm. If you go, by 3 group formation and that group will probably have input into.
11:04:21 The drainage district so it's all good. There's energy coalescing around just premature.
11:04:27 Yeah, I mean, we don't want, you know, one effort to undo another. So.
11:04:34 Then I went over to DCD for a conversation with public works and DCD about.
11:04:44 Uga zoning in the Port Hadlock store boundary and that was a great conversation.
11:04:48 Pretty sure we'll get a briefing on that at some point, but, just, you know.
11:04:54 Realizing there's gonna be a sewer there and the community is asking us what's this gonna look like once the sewers there and they've been asking me for since I was running
for commissioner.
11:05:06 So he's already decided, right? And we're not gonna change it. The use table has, you know.
11:05:11 Height of buildings, 35 feet, you know, has certain things, but some people are just like, what does that mean?
11:05:16 What is our community going to look like? And I think there's just an interest in kinda This is kind of starting the conversation and.
11:05:24 Maybe this a real conversation going forward about as the sewer develops so the community feels like they're included.
11:05:33 Right, because it was 20 years ago. Yeah. I mean, and what I would keep reminding folks is a lot of folks.
11:05:40 We're here then. You know, they haven't part of that conversation back then. So.
11:05:46 Good conversation there and then went down to Port Levo for the tourism coordinating council meeting. And then back up to Chimicum for that Shincombe School Library open house.
11:05:57 Which was awesome. They did a remodel of the library in the high school. And, it looks awesome.
11:06:06 Yeah. And it just, it feels a lot more open and there's a lot more space to, you know, sit sit in clusters of.
11:06:12 Kids to hang out and a lot more. These little devices, these little, Lots of little plugins for your devices, you know, and I would.
11:06:23 Somebody said this is one of the most popular things so far as kids coming in and plugging in their devices.
11:06:30 We can sit in comfortable chairs and visit with each other and Anyway, kudos to the to the school library and out there, Michelle and.
11:06:38 Art Clark was really involved in that and Scott was as well. So. Nice improvement for the kids.
11:06:47 And then also I've learned in the last week, I think maybe I mentioned this last week is that.
11:06:51 The team center in Chimicum as a new manager, Jeff Jones and he It's actually someone who I met.
11:06:59 Not school related over the last couple of years and really enjoy him so it'll be fun to see him kind of.
11:07:05 Take that on and embrace it and. I invited him to go to the community wellness project in her tomorrow night, which she's, and his wife are joining for that.
11:07:14 So just getting them integrated. A little more in the school community. And then Wednesday. We had a Olympic Peninsula tourism strategic planning update meeting.
11:07:30 And on our agenda today this afternoon you'll see that that is going to join us. Debbie is not, the general manager of the Oh yeah.
11:07:43 She knows that. No longer. She's consulting on this. Strategic plan.
11:07:54 So, but she's still at 7 seaters. Yeah. But no, I was not there.
11:08:02 No, no, not there either. Nope. Then middle of the day had a.
11:08:08 Behavioral Advisory Committee membership discussion with.
11:08:13 Anna and just and, from the city just around the idea of having alternate. Alternate roles, in this because I think Anna's kind of rocking the whole hybrid meeting and quorum
issues and trying to figure out how to make.
11:08:34 That is up for success in the future in terms of having forums for the behavioral health, committee.
11:08:42 So we're working on that and I think we'll see. I think that, We'll see if first proposal from.
11:08:48 Okay, who it was, but it's on the agenda for alternate. Wednesday afternoon. I took.
11:08:53 2Â h off and went with my goddaughter for her first ever professional manicure and pedicure.
11:09:02 That was so fun. I don't have kids, so it's like whenever I get to dip my toe in the deep end of parenting, I just love it.
11:09:11 Good time together. And I really wish I had more time in my life to spend with she and her sister.
11:09:19 And I really wish I had more time in my life to spend with she and her sister. So saying that out loud and I said on the way home, I'm like, what do you want to listen to?
11:09:26 And I had never listened to dealing with knowingly and I've dialed it up and I'm like, I'm gonna have to know the song.
11:09:35 You know, we're like bpping down the road anyway. Super fun. So that was that was the highlight of probably my summer.
11:09:40 And then Thursday morning I came in and did a whole bunch of catch up work and then met with.
11:09:45 Some folks about LTAC funding and this whole conversation about kind of being more clear and transparent with our priorities and .
11:09:56 So I don't think it's a. I don't think it's too high the hill to climb with this.
11:10:02 I think we could be a lot clearer and. And also probably budget for some of the LTAC plans for things we know we're going to fund anyway.
11:10:10 So. That was a good long conversation and then Friday I spent most of the day with my community foundation colleagues and retreat.
11:10:21 It was really good just talking about. How to expand the reach of the community foundation and basically came down to expanding the board geographically.
11:10:32 So. And then Saturday and Sunday where the app will insider festival and I did participate in a cider pressing so that was super fun.
11:10:43 Annual press the apples stay and there's got lots of juice in the freezer now so That was last week.
11:10:50 Alright. I guess Sunday. Oh yeah. Sunday it was I went to the more memorial service for Mike.
11:11:00 Just like, my whole childhood rest in front of my eyes. So it's been. The last week has been heavy.
11:11:10 Yeah. The news about Chris and then all of this. I haven't.
11:11:13 I haven't slept more than 4Â h and I hit for the last week and so I'm just yeah it's taking it on to internalizing everything and need to learn to.
11:11:23 Now, for separation. I struggled to sleep and I took a math the next day. I really helped.
11:11:31 15 little power nap. I can't do it. Can't do it. I track try.
11:11:34 You can't do it. That was the last let's see, my last week.
11:11:43 With you guys, of course, and I also went out to the, the opening of the air.
11:11:48 The guardian of the transfer station. It's great. Love that program. Love, you know, making art out of garbage is a great thing. It's a program. It's a program.
11:12:01 Yeah. Yeah, they had an artist in residence. They had an application process. It was an application process. It was a Seattle artist.
11:12:05 What was meant Carolyn something she was a Tracy Grissman is on the swack really, shepherded in with a small board.
11:12:14 Who does the partnership with the Slack? I mean, you know, Al was there. Concept, the air concept, I forget what that stands for, our artist in residence.
11:12:32 And garbage, I don't know. I saw the article. That's what I learned about it. I was stunned.
11:12:43 Has it happened here before? No, no, it was, only gone out for the last year. This is the first unveiling of the first artist in Residents.
11:12:52 Yeah. So they talked about how they just spinning and the transportation staff would always keep an eye out, and just spinning and the transportation staff would always keep
an eye out too, you know, they're looking at the, the transportation staff would always keep an eye out too.
11:13:01 You know, they're looking at the, the tipping floor now, you know, they're looking at the, the tip and floor now, looking for, you know, potential.
11:13:05 The funniest thing she got from transportation, transportation staff was a box of trophies. And they're all on that the crown of the king.
11:13:17 Guardian of waste. Yeah. Hmm. Let's see and then Tuesday for some staff Tammy and couple others kind of debriefing the previous week's meeting.
11:13:39 And Bryan and then later, Eric Kuzman I joined a Justin from Watchdog and some Shine residents says we're, they were really eager to add, you know, the.
11:13:57 As the roundabout construction, you know, begins, they're concerned about safety, a Tulik road, Shine road and 104 it's kind of a just slightly offset intersection so not it's
kind of sub optimal no turn lanes or anything and there was have been a couple recent accidents there.
11:14:15 Oh, wait. But Washington kind of a survey of traffic data and everything and it doesn't really rise to the list of traffic data and everything and it doesn't really rise to
the list of being something like traffic data and everything and it doesn't really rise to the list of being something they could address.
11:14:27 So there was a lot of Considering another roundabout there and they were like, that's probably not gonna happen and, but they did already they painted cross-hatching across
that to prevent, you know, that don't block the intersection and everything and there.
11:14:41 Doing some stuff but you can't move the roads or add a turn lane because the shoulder isn't wide enough to accommodate it would have to be building new road and everything so
it's it can't happen under the kind of minor improvements or safety that Justin has authority over but Talking to about the, you know, bridge openings and, you know, just generally
that kind of interface and.
11:15:05 But how probably next will be. Round considering a roundabout, on the other side, with the traffic light.
11:15:16 Cause so much delay. Yeah, no, totally. And so, I said kind of I'd engage a little bit or talk to you guys about engaging with the our TPO about, about that, you know, and about,
I don't know, those issues and managing the openings, which is of course like Coastguard mandated and you know with the military base and everything is really problematic but
11:15:40 Just something we should maybe have a workshop on or something dig into a little because it does create huge impacts.
11:15:47 I mean, Eric showed me that PRCPO plan talking about the impacts of, you know, large sailboats and what's planning doing a study on what's the economic impact of to the public
you know and one sailor just drop traffic for hours basically.
11:16:06 It has rippling impacts. To, to the public, you know, and one, sale, just drop traffic for hours basically.
11:16:07 I mean, it And, Kelsey and Brilliant Power Teams, Coalition and, Lindsey, stood in for, for our beloved, I won't absolutely spacing our name, but she's out on maternity leave,
so.
11:16:23 Bravo for babies, but it was nice. Lots of lots of good stuff happening down there.
11:16:28 And great that they could contribute the school baby mental health with some of those funds as well. The survey is out right now for, you know, we need to get 100 of those surveys
about.
11:16:40 If you have anyone who's got I'll post it. But, you don't have to live in the quilt in Brennan area, but it's for kind of What is the mental health and kind of access to drugs
and alcohol for kids in the well seeing?
11:16:56 B an area just like, and, 4,000 dead, but we did not get it.
11:17:03 Yeah. A different survey. It's essentially the same survey. I think, different survey.
11:17:09 It's essentially the same survey, I think, yeah, different survey, I think, but each one has to do it separately.
11:17:13 And this is the like adult perception. That's I did not. I did mine too.
11:17:20 Yeah. And, yeah, pass it on down close in. Wednesday we did the, we had the orca meeting, not meeting in November, but we'll be meet in.
11:17:31 December. We have 10 meetings a year as well as the finance committee which I sit on. Work is very robust, you know.
11:17:39 Unfortunately, lots of finds going on and also a lot more notices of. completion, you know, a lot more permits.
11:17:48 It's like, it's really a active field right now. Yeah, everything's going great.
11:17:55 Our, our new executive director is in a year now and he's really been a strong addiction and really been.
11:18:02 A leader in a way that has, empowered staff from top to bottom. It's really nice to see.
11:18:12 How do they, Review like all the paper mills and no longer. Well, they don't do the port towns and paperm.
11:18:22 Okay. They do, they have an annual permit so they've got to renew it and they do they have an annual permit so they've got to renew it and they go out and do inspections and
why don't they do it.
11:18:34 Department of ecology and I can't remember. The type of permits, the type of emissions, determine whether it's under, and it's actually a federal permit that the administers
for EPA. Right.
11:18:46 So it's funny. It's just like that whatever is being emitted there. Calls under a different regulations.
11:18:51 Okay. I mean, they monitor and permit the McKinley plants. I mean, they monitor and permit the McKinley plants.
11:18:58 But yeah, yeah, it's interesting. So often there's very little in Jefferson County except.
11:19:02 Complaints in in in burn, you know, burn permits and everything. Gas stations, of course.
11:19:10 Then I had school Wednesday night. At the EDC on Friday the thirteenth to kinda talk through some stuff.
11:19:20 Is it very productive conversation? With Cindy and the chair Ben and then met with Barb Jones about some You surveying they're doing about health outcomes and they've got some
grants.
11:19:37 Interesting they're doing a sailboat surveys. Have you heard about that? The technique they're using, which is, less, you know, what, what are the answer from one to 5 how safe
is this community and more like starting a conversation and not having a predetermined destination or route to get there, but really kind of being more.
11:19:56 Responsive and asking open ended questions. Don't get technical on me. And then I was on KPZ as I mentioned earlier with Phil Seir talking talking, talking about our open hearing.
11:20:16 We're gonna continue at 2 30 today and we didn't get too far into Ag, which I intended to, but 30Â min sometimes just goes, last you weren't here, Kate, but we had kind of an
open meeting talking about what song on building we should have and we ended up with a changes by David Bowie.
11:20:36 That's a change. Yeah. And, that was, did a great job.
11:20:48 I call him the best dress. Planner and DCD. I don't know. Yeah.
11:20:57 And then I was gonna go to the canal tracks HOA then I'd bring in on Saturday, but they had I got booked because Sheriff No went down there.
11:21:03 So like, oh, you know, it's really what we want to talk to anyway. I will probably go to their November meeting.
11:21:09 Those were the high points of my week. Mark fled to avoid talking about his last week. So maybe we should go.
11:21:22 Yeah, we just got an email from Monty that the transfer station is going to be closed some extra days coming up.
11:21:26 So they're always closed on Sunday and to presidential traffic but they're gonna close on Tuesday, October 30 first and Wednesday November first for some very important software
updates Not optional closures, but the transfer station will be closed so that week they'll be closed.
11:21:46 Sunday Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, so. That's an opportunity for people. To not practice collecting enough ways to reach the minimum, right?
11:21:59 Because we were getting lots of comments about not being able to get to the minimum. No, but just as Monty said, short term pain to avoid long ongoing.
11:22:11 Ongoing long term pain which I totally relate to. Thank you, Al and Monty, for that. And Justin and Destin, yes.
11:22:23 Alright, you wanna look to this week?
11:22:26 Yeah.
11:22:32 Let's see. Looks like there's a WASAC meeting over the lot of power.
11:22:45 I guess I will go. Good. I'm hopefully listening and I some other I need to finish.
11:22:51 Some trends that work over the lunch hour too, so multitasking. Tomorrow morning I have a, leadership council executive committee meeting I was appointed as the vice chair of
the Peter's leadership council.
11:23:09 Start that official role tomorrow morning. Transit 30 board meeting tomorrow. I'm sorry that I can't make it.
11:23:19 The community wellness project. Dinner it is also senior night at the for the Yeah, so, soccer team, soccer team, my dad is not a senior, but it's a big deal in their last home
game.
11:23:34 So, attending that instead, it's too bad. Those are the same night. Wednesday.
11:23:43 Okay, no coordinating council board of directors meeting, but we have a retreat all day Friday. So I'm not sure if that's actually happening or not.
11:23:47 Mark and I, Mark, are you attending the healthier together? Operations meeting, Wednesday, afternoon.
11:23:55 I'll be in route to, for the risk pool. Okay, so I will I will be there and I have a few few things.
11:24:04 It's necessary to ask the agenda for that. Discussion. May have to miss our childcare meeting.
11:24:11 I've never shared my calendar what's at the right time or not. Today my meeting was on 8 30 for some reason.
11:24:19 Oh I got UTC now you universal time, a lot of my meetings. So did you figure out how to program it?
11:24:27 Oh, I had some mountain time meetings and some universal time meetings and. Mostly specific. And meetings.
11:24:39 I have officially missed a couple of meetings now. And, meeting tomorrow evening.
11:24:49 I'm a, with the cousin Chester working on with some other landowner partners. Thursday, youth advisory boards.
11:25:01 And hold over from the last chip, you, bands, and needing, some time, so.
11:25:08 Looking for that and that you know the goal of that of that. Previous iteration was. eliminating youth suicide in Jefferson County and, So it's.
11:25:24 Just bring it timing, thinking about suicide or Naomi proclamation. And, there's around who are being.
11:25:33 How many employees and so. I have a NLDC monthly meeting Thursday afternoon and and NBC was put in a free application for a NOAA coastal resilience planning grants.
11:25:52 Those are our big competitive grants and they were invited to submit. So that's exciting. We'll be talking about that.
11:25:55 Oh, but it's at the same time, of course, is our important health meeting. So forget that.
11:26:06 Friday. I'm in a strategic planning retreat all day with the Not for meeting council and have the radio show.
11:26:14 And Brenda will be joining to talk about election. And. So there's something next weekend. Other than stereo phone recycling, but the ster form recycling is really important.
11:26:31 Oh, yeah. Yeah. I've done it. Yeah. I've done it too.
11:26:43 I'm just saying, but the styrofoam recycling is really important. Oh yeah.
11:26:46 That give you my styrofoam or cycling. Yeah. Yeah, I've got a baby. I've done it. I've done it too.
11:26:49 I'm just
11:26:49 That's all. Great.
11:26:52 Hi.
11:26:58 Let's see. Here with you today. I need to do some work on the WASAC federal.
11:27:07 Yeah, issues, updates on the housing issue, cause I. Added that to the federal legislative issues last year and Onto that.
11:27:22 Meeting with a constituent. So I probably will work from home in the morning and then meeting with the constituent.
11:27:28 To talk about both illegally or anchoring in the bay. And become officially, well, I always say this, but.
11:27:37 More people are getting my phone number about. Their look boat issues in the bay. So.
11:27:45 And then transit authority board meeting and I did a bunch of work last week on. Nichols review and there's a document included in our packet and then realize we need to also
include peer review.
11:28:00 Brainstorming a list of peer review who will send a peer review form to for her. So anyway.
11:28:06 In the evening, community wellness project, Harvest Dinner at Ben River. On Wednesday morning, I'm taking part in a training called roles and responsibilities of county legislative
authorities for open space levies and boards of equalization.
11:28:22 By the department of revenue. So, and I will send up for it, but it looks like this.
11:28:29 So thank you for that. And then the evening I'm gonna attend the ports first short firm.
11:28:36 Advisory group meeting just as a innocent bystander. No, I'm not on that committee.
11:28:43 Bye, wait till the end of the meeting. If we still are not on that committee by their request, so I'm not gonna be on the And let's see.
11:28:57 Then we have Board of Health on Thursday, so I'll miss WASAC federal issues.
11:29:02 Friday we have county coordination looks like. The SCC coordination. Is that just the chair one?
11:29:16 What is it on my calendar? Remember quarterly it's a special meeting because we're all there.
11:29:20 So I don't know. Do you know this week? Is that the quarterly one? I have one.
11:29:25 Best will be a CC coordination meeting. It's I think it's. Yeah.
11:29:31 I know I was still on the calendar invite even though Greg can take it over but it's and then I also have one from 1230 to 2 with Jefferson County coordination with elected.
11:29:43 Anyway, we have a lot of. Go back and forth. I've gotten a few comments from Colorado.
11:30:09 But we still have 2 people.
11:30:09 You'll be able to attend Heady? Can I go back to something I got an important piece of business I forgot?
11:30:19 Yeah. You're gonna. I think I'm crazy, but, I am going to attend Jim's parenting meeting.
11:30:32 I'm the product center. Thursday night. Okay. Feel like it's important that we demonstrate that we're listening.
11:30:37 So, Yeah, any words of advice or helpful, but. And I have conflicts for all 3 of the dates that they have.
11:30:47 Not attending, although I wanted to, but. They obviously didn't check with our calendars when they scheduled the meeting.
11:30:55 Did you ever find the note they sent out? Did you ever know that? I never got an email.
11:30:59 Hi, good night. Oh yeah, the sixteenth is ICG. So that's the next one is.
11:31:07 And there's September counties and will be in Spokane. For Was that conference? I will be.
11:31:17 It's a 3 day conference. Cool meeting on California, California. I believe that's the one.
11:31:26 Hmm
11:31:34 So we having any more. Written comments about the, Okay, so let's see, I had one thing to add.
11:31:46 I have been, tasked or asked her, given the opportunity to sit in a shoreline hearing board hearing for a week in December.
11:31:59 But it would cost me to miss 2 meetings. And their budget meetings too. No, but December. Let's wait.
11:32:06 Do hearing and approve our budget. It's in December. Those first 2 December. Oh, meetings are generally the.
11:32:13 The important ones. The, Eleventh would be one. Yeah, those are the 2.
11:32:30 Is that the case? I think so towards the end of the year. I'm all with the whole thing.
11:32:37 Actually do the hearing the first Monday in December and then approve it on the second meeting of December and then we cancel the fourth meeting.
11:32:41 Yeah, as on, so if I do the first one and then I'm not there for the second one when you guys are approving it I'll have all the information, right?
11:32:50 There very seldom or changes between the first presentation and the second. So let me see on the first Monday will be what the board will be asked to approve on the second Monday.
11:33:02 Okay, so I could do the eleventh and eighteenth because it's the second and third Mondays. That is okay.
11:33:11 Okay. Cause I just want, and I didn't know whether you had travel plan during that time.
11:33:14 I mean, I don't want to mess with forum issues. That's why I said I would check with my colleagues before I committed to that.
11:33:22 Yeah, I always keep those pretty sacred. In part to this like we have to get one pass by.
11:33:34 But if we have our presentation on the fourth and by the eleventh, yeah, you'll be fine without me.
11:33:38 Good. Okay. Right, thanks. What did you do?
11:33:50 Okay. Okay, does that that concludes your week, Heidi?
11:33:57 Got it. Go back to where we are here. The calendar said we get the fourth.
11:34:03 That's the Well, let's address that in the next. Soon. Alright, my week.
11:34:59 I'll see with you guys today. If we get out by 3 30, looks unlikely so far.
11:35:04 I will I will join a Judy Shepherd and and Stephanie Lewis from the SHPH ASO to talk about the opioid settlements and how we create those contracts.
11:35:19 The one that is already come in. Then I have the Northwood Canal Chamber of Commerce this evening, rush down after we 4 30 that will be late for the 4 30 executive meeting but
definitely be there by the general meeting at 5 30.
11:35:33 Tomorrow we have a left one board meeting. to deal with, benefits for our retired law enforcement.
11:35:44 Well, go right then you're gonna remember. No, I thought I did. We look at this.
11:35:53 We still have a citizen, citizen board open. We had more members apply that were in the law enforcement and firefighters, you know, P one or whatever it's called.
11:36:02 Yeah, it's gotta be someone who's not in the. Bye Friday or law enforcement retire.
11:36:11 Retirey pool. And then I'll. Join, of course, for the transit authority board was kind of going person, but no one ever goes in person.
11:36:17 It would just be me and Kelly sitting in that big boardroom. I'm going to say that once I was like, this is less of a that's not very workable so far.
11:36:31 I used to What's the bike? Yeah. It's the season that you put it away right now, I think.
11:36:37 I did go for a bike ride. Last weekend it was nice. Yeah, all those gravel and rabble guys go up into the hills and I just I volunteered at it the summer I was like let's see
what it's like to just write up hill until you're done and I was done after 2 miles and I was like oh that's not fun but coming back is fun.
11:37:02 Let's see in Wednesday, nothing big on the schedule. Ketchup, I haven't done any of the prep for transit or board health any of that.
11:37:11 So I've got a lot of kind of Off the stuff I've been a little behind on as well.
11:37:17 Emails on Thursday I will be remote for the Board of Health. I'm joining my family out in Ocean Shores for the Irish Fest at Galway Bay.
11:37:29 Yeah. Little Irish music, but I will also be of course as we all remote for that county coordination on Friday and then remote for the Board of Health.
11:37:38 I feel like I had another, another big thing. Oh, I did want to point out that, all the recompete grant applications and all the letters of support are on our website and we're
on public health.
11:37:51 I mean, I'm sorry on Facebook and big thanks to a man to Christopherson for helping put that together and also to winndy for getting it out and you know giving it then the press
release yeah putting that professional sheen on it so yeah, so out there and continuing the conversations and, Yeah.
11:38:13 Same. We're just fingers crossed now. We're still meeting. We have another, meeting of that, that coalition to.
11:38:18 Figure out next steps and you know what are the steps if we don't get the funding or just get the phase one, Lots of good projects on it.
11:38:27 You know, would love to get those child care subsidies too. That seems like the critical component that is really missing from childcare right now.
11:38:35 Yeah, just the market doesn't bear it, right? Yeah, especially if you want to be able to pay those workers and have to keep them in those roles.
11:38:44 Yeah, then, alright, March, you, you fled on us when returning to you for last week, but you want to take a look look back and forward?
11:39:01 Okay, last week on the ninth and of course that's Monday with the board. And on Tuesday, met with Phil Sasir and Josh.
11:39:11 To talk about. I'm giving the fire marshal program up and running. And of course that's gonna require some audience changes and
11:39:22 Inspection regime and so on. Looking forward to that program maturing. And then a chima concrete, drainage, check in with ID and peak sustainability.
11:39:37 And then I met with Caroline and Judy to talk about. Now this morning's budget. I'm discussion with the board.
11:39:41 And then on Wednesday. And had a monthly coordination meeting with Josh, Peters and Brent Butler.
11:39:52 And then I had, the childcare. Family support meeting in the afternoon with Kate and Amanda and, health care.
11:40:06 12. Happy to report that we interviewed 2 candidates for the fleet manager position. And we're gonna interview 2 more Wednesday and hopefully by Friday we go a job offer and
acceptance.
11:40:23 Excellent. Friday, and we had. And check in with the state auditor. On the accountability audit, which seems to be going fairly well.
11:40:40 I think we're headed potentially. Doing out brief with a couple of comments and potential for management letter, but we don't know yet.
11:40:50 Or not. And then a quick check in with Josh Peters. And then, And then the meeting in the afternoon with HR, in our prosecuting attorney, without a sensitive personnel issue.
11:41:11 This week, this is a quick one. Where's today with the board? Tomorrow, later negotiations with Teams, Public Works.
11:41:22 Let's schedule for most of the day, but at 90'clock in the morning, I'm meeting with IT staff talk about storage.
11:41:29 And how we can offload some local, and then, fleet interviews like I mentioned on Wednesday morning and then I travel to risk below which will last the Sounds good.
11:41:52 Okay, well we've got 15Â min left for our scheduled lunch break. Anything else that we maybe?
11:41:59 We look at county connections for the next couple of weeks. I'm sorry to say that I have to join an important doctor appointment with my husband at 3 30 just by phone.
11:42:12 So I'm going to duck out. So we have. That's bad. I mean, yeah.
11:42:20 But, You need to be and you won't be able to return. You think it'll take?
11:42:28 Okay, so we will maybe we'll try to delay cause you missed meeting with Grant last time the last time.
11:42:33 The last time, the last time we'll try to delay, cause you missed meeting with Grant last time, the last time, the last time, the last time, the last, just the last time you
were there at the first one.
11:42:36 So we're there at the last time. We're there at the last time. We're there at the first one.
11:42:38 So, we'll try to delay that and, at 3 30 I could always join the meeting with Judy and Stephanie as well.
11:42:43 So hearing from 2 32 30 and then that. Nice schedule. I think you're looking at last week.
11:42:56 Oh, you're right. Actually, sorry. I had 2 of these open.
11:43:02 No problem
11:43:04 Yeah, I was thinking that I thought I had planned it better. Right. Yeah, so we maybe will recess it from 3 30 to 4. Would that be timely?
11:43:15 Do you think? Yeah, so we'll be maybe we'll recess it from 3 30 to 4. Would that be timely? Do you think?
11:43:21 Which is what? 20 third, I guess. So. Yes.
11:43:42 Certification meeting.
11:43:44 Okay. I might need someone to cover the pre certification meeting and certification meeting. One would kill me if I missed it again, but I think I'm.
11:43:55 Going out of state for Thanksgiving and coming back Tuesday morning. So it would be a challenge. So I might need someone to cover that for me.
11:44:02 When's that? Monday the 20 seventh of November and Tuesday the 20 eighth
11:44:10 Last year so I could probably Monday the 27. Yeah. 1230 and the 28 at one.
11:44:21 Okay. Okay. And then I would probably just be on Monday remote for any business so we can take care of business and then the absence in the afternoon.
11:44:35 And also available for both of those. Pre-sertification thingers. Yeah. Okay.
11:44:50 Good schedule, just make sure everyone jibes with everyone thinks. So I had Kate was services, but now you are with.
11:45:02 Wait, what was the one you said? I thought you guys, Brian, this Friday.
11:45:11 Okay. So you're doing elections.
11:45:13 Yes, when.
11:45:18 And then next week I have Heidi with Kelly, Amanda and Amit at for.
11:45:29 And so I'm working on that with Jim, but yeah, they have the new. You go from the new, yeah, because they're probably all gonna have to be there all day, right?
11:45:45 And then I have me on November third. And Heidi with. Maybe ODT with Eric and John Fleming on the tenth of November.
11:45:55 Is that still?
11:46:00 Yeah, I've got it. That's, that a holiday?
11:46:04 Is the tenth of November a holiday, Carolyn, you know? Yeah, so. I mean, I don't have the calendar, but I don't know.
11:46:17 Let's find them.
11:46:21 Seventeenth of November. One Alright, what the seventeenth? Okay.
11:46:32 I am on the third, but I don't have a guest yet. I'm sure I will have a guest before.
11:46:38 Friday the third.
11:46:42 Oh shit. On my calendar after both 9 a. M. And 10 am.
11:47:13 Yeah. I don't know what. So I can't do the 17. So Kate, you can?
11:47:21 Okay. We'll leave the subject and the guest open. And then I guess that
11:47:28 Twenty-fourth day after Thanksgiving. I will be.
11:47:38 It's hard to find a staff person to help.
11:47:43 I will be out of state, but I could potentially do it better. I think you can do that.
11:47:53 Let's put in Thanksgiving.
11:47:58 Ask if they actually, I guess that the radio must go on though, right? Yeah, it is something.
11:48:05 I mean, half the school bar comes to my house for Thanksgiving.
11:48:12 And 12 1.
11:48:15 You can take that one. So like I'm not doing very many. Well, what is that?
11:48:28 So, 12 8. Yeah.
11:48:34 I'm sorry, my days are all messed up. Actually, it would, it's November twentys.
11:48:42 I'm sorry, I'm looking at Friday. Thanks. Alright. I can do 12 8 cake because I can do the 15 because I'll be a virtual engineering board hearing.
11:48:51 Well, it's just it's the damn calendar problem. I don't know if this meeting is at 110'clock or if it's a 100'clock.
11:48:59 At 100'clock I'm fine but. And it doesn't show on the app.
11:49:02 Where like what times it doesn't show the time zone. So it's really nothing. I keep asking IT for help and nobody seems to.
11:49:12 That's something you could help us with, we're trying to drilled out on this. Are you off now or?
11:49:18 Maybe. Okay, I'll look into it. I think it exceeds our staff's ability to solve.
11:49:34 Might be just like reset control all Pacific time. That's. I've gone to my settings and I'm on specific time, but this morning's meeting was moved.
11:49:50 There's no time difference that would move it to 8 30. Yeah, I can do that. Okay.
11:49:57 And I cannot do the fifteenth because of that hearing. Take the fifteenth. I can do the 20Â s.
11:50:13 Maybe I'll be out of country, but we'll do it. Well, whoa, come on, really? I don't know.
11:50:20 Well, we can, we, we, we're, we're getting ahead of ourselves. Let's see.
11:50:26 Okay. Oh, okay. Yeah, if you might be on the country, it's
11:50:36 Okay, so let's and think about your schedules and what you want to do. But Okay, I'll save this.
11:50:45 We should debrief with gem as to how these are going for him. Yeah, you know, your end review.
11:50:52 Okay.
11:50:59 Let me see. 12 8 1222. Okay.
11:51:12 And that's the thing of John Bezina. Oh, wow. Yeah. That one.
11:51:18 That won't be good. Are you guys doing today? Okay, this this swimming? Friday? Yeah, elections.
11:51:26 Okay.
11:51:30 October 20. I'm a little, I can take one of these 2 because right now. Between now and the end of the year.
11:51:39 I've only got 3. Yes, we're just, Kate's just, it's just, well, it's, this week it's 4, but did anyone take that?
11:51:51 Can you figure out that RAM here? Oh, I did. I talked to Holly. Yeah, the breakfast.
11:51:57 They're grants. It's really, I think they're being an inclusive. I mean, it's in forks.
11:52:05 You're telling me, I said we were all probably unlikely to go. I think they've just been.
11:52:12 I just declined.
11:52:15 I might take. Some days off. Yes, you should.
11:52:21 Good. Because they're the fifth Monday coming up. Thirtieth is a fifth Monday. October thirties.
11:52:29 And did kind of tentatively agree to go to the Aussie meeting. You know, folks are still really frustrated in Portland with the water system there.
11:52:39 And the manganese that's the, you know, water will come out. Looking like we coffee.
11:52:45 A lot of people have that problem. How? Just with Wells? Yeah.
11:52:52 Yeah, but if we're paying for you know, processed water. It's pretty frustrating.
11:53:00 But they've and they've been battling the fee increase as well, which is, you know, yeah.
11:53:06 Probably will end up in higher fees sooner because they have to add those costs. So, All right, well, I don't need number 2.
11:53:20 Hmm. Delegate Heidi for the. 20 seventh, 20 eighth.
11:53:28 Okay. I got a chair another year? That's not really our Our practice usually I love control so I would.
11:53:44 Oh, right. Cause you're both, you're both, yeah, well, you're both, you're both, I can't remember next year.
11:53:52 I don't know. You guys are gonna gonna make public announcements right now? No, but I just, someone asking and I'm like, I haven't even thought of that.
11:54:02 And Did he do that? Yeah, there's nothing that says that we can't, you know, practice that anyone who's up for reelection doesn't.
11:54:13 But. You know, we can also change it at any time, stay on our rotation and then.
11:54:21 You know, yeah, and see if there's a challenge seat or. Right. Yeah, because if it's an unchallenged seat, yeah, because if it's an unchallenged seat or, you know, correct.
Right. Yeah, because if it's an unchallenged seat, it doesn't make it.
11:54:41 Yeah Yeah. Thank you. Yeah.
11:54:49 Flawed out of my cool dead hand. So there's a race, right? Yeah, and I think too that, you know, There's a certain amount of like how much is somebody likely to abuse the position
to their benefit.
11:55:25 And like, I don't actually worry about the position to their benefit. And like, I don't actually worry about the 3, any of One there 2 that can check you.
11:55:29 But, yeah. I'm happy to proceed with the rotation. For sure. Yeah. And then if there's a problem, then we address it.
11:55:37 Yep. Yep, sounds good to me.
11:55:41 It's nice. It's nice to see that with it anyways, better airflow over there.
11:55:45 I like to stand up during meetings sometimes. It's easier for you to do that there. Yeah, you don't have to be in the middle.
11:56:18 You mean on here big things that lift up and down? That's the quick easy one way to do it.
11:56:25 That's the quick easy way to do it up and down. That's the quick easy one. That's the quick easy one. The way to do it.
11:56:28 Give me an happy hand. I want the whole dias to raise. I don't want the whole dias to raise.
11:56:31 I don't know. A few years ago I asked for a wood extension that's lower than you guys.
11:56:36 A few years ago I asked for a wood extension that's lower than U.S.A. few years ago I asked for a wood extension that's lower than US.
11:56:37 I don't have any. Okay, well, anything else this afternoon that we should? Add to the agenda.
11:56:48 Nothing might happen over lunch. Look at our post lunch. We're gonna have a fairly busy afternoon. Look at our post lunch.
11:57:00 We're gonna have a fairly busy afternoon I think. I bet it'll take a good 40Â min the first briefing.
11:57:10 She's just gonna give us a rundown on what's been happening. With the planning process.
11:57:18 Enjoy the materials.
11:57:22 It was much more optimistic the materials than I expected actually, I will say.
11:57:29 Yeah. Well, I really thought there would be more of a current of.
11:57:37 Don't overburden us with too much tourism and I think that's a sentiment I get from some small communities but that I didn't see in any of the.
11:57:49 How do you tell people that?
11:57:51 Well, I mean like the, doesn't want the port to put in. you know, trailer, you know, campground down there and Gardener is was super concerned at our community meeting about
the impacts of a new accessible boat ramp bringing, you know, floods of people to their sleepy, boat long.
11:58:15 So I like on the ground, I get this, you know, kind of push. Peace to share.
11:58:24 Okay. I was just, yeah, I will. I was surprised and not seeing that. I mean, the people who come to those community meetings are totally different segments of the population.
That's a lot of them.
11:58:35 So, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Great, I look forward to the conversation.
11:58:40 Same Debbie. If there's nothing else. Well, I'll recess this until 1 30.
13:31:27 Oh, per year. Recording.
13:31:34 And we use a ranch. Alright, I'll call this. October sixteenth meeting of the Board of County Commissioners back in the session or guess, I'm trying by every word drop and she's
just getting into the meeting to be able to share screen.
13:31:49 So I'll just pause for a moment. And then we will get a presentation.
13:31:58 On the, the Peninsula Strategic, Tourism Strategic Plan. Right. Exactly.
13:32:06 The Olympic Peninsula Tourism Strategic. For the You have your presentation.
13:32:17 Okay.
13:32:23 Okay. Yeah.
13:32:32 Anything else that come up to your attention that we should add to the agenda?
13:32:38 Okay. I didn't get a lot of value out of the. Wassack meeting.
13:32:47 That was just a presentation. It turned at 1256.
13:32:51 I mean, it was a presentation from Hope Source. It seemed like a super effective organization out there.
13:32:57 Collins burger around building and repurposing units. But basically they'll give you the takeaway.
13:33:05 You need to county state first and then you know state money and then Yeah, federal tax. So finally a good nonprofit, develop, which we have quite a few.
13:33:25 So. Hmm.
13:33:36 Okay.
13:33:42 . For the Zoom Phone
13:33:46 There we go. Okay.
13:34:01 Okay. Is it is we still struggling? We haven't attached as part of a PDF, so we'd have to like cycle through it instead of forwarding slides.
13:34:12 If you email it to me, I'd be happy to share it. So where Are you able to get onto the internet?
13:34:27 Okay.
13:34:32 Hi, We should ask Debbie that question. Okay. Debbie, do we want?
13:34:48 Thank you. Debbie, do we want Marcia over as well? Thank you, Matthew.
13:34:56 I don't know if she's gonna join in. I'm zoom right now. She's here. Yeah.
13:35:00 Bring it over. She's here. Yeah. Bring it over to Kell.
13:35:02 Maybe she can pull it up on her computer. Yeah. Here.
13:35:16 Hey, Marsha.
13:35:19 Yes, hello.
13:35:22 Okay. Debbie having trouble pulling the presentation up on your computer. Is it possible for you to do that on your end?
13:35:30 She asked. Okay.
13:35:30 No, probably so. Let me, Debbie, is it the, which one is it, Debbie?
13:35:37 . The one that. That we did last week, master plan.
13:35:44 Okay, give me just a second to find it.
13:35:47 Okay, I'm on my screen here and you can't share screen. That's it.
13:35:54 Okay, that's good. Zoom. So you're This is your zoom. Yeah, That way.
13:36:36 Not to me. Mark, I emailed it to you.
13:36:45 Well, and you're mixing your time, why don't we? Okay, so, Yeah.
13:36:56 Let's start the time. Okay. You have a hard stop, 2 30, but plenty of time to tell that.
13:37:14 Okay, thank you all for making the time today and allowing us to share with you the work that has been done.
13:37:23 Over the last 9 months with the Olympic, I come to you today as the project manager for this.
13:37:33 As part of the Olympic and Inslee, this are your own team. Or Shamas who's on the college probably know is the executive director of the Olympic Peninsula Visitor Bureau as
well.
13:37:43 And we have made a lot of progress in data collection. So I thought it would be helpful since. This is a very important piece of the puzzle to tourism.
13:37:57 Both in Jefferson and Colin County. And that's pretty much how we're describing this project.
13:38:02 We recognize that the Olympic Peninsula is more than that, but for the purpose of this, it's really focused on the North living this lot with Jefferson and, County.
13:38:19 Okay.
13:38:19 Excuse me, I can share my screen if you want. Alright. I would need sheep screen sharing.
13:38:31 Okay.
13:38:22 That would be Okay. I've already got that. So the purpose of the project. In a very succinct way is develop strategies to create a more consistent, sustainable, and vibrant
year round.
13:38:43 Visitor economy with an emphasis on increasing visitor spending in the shoulder seasons and winter. So this is not about bringing more tourists here necessarily in the high
peak of summer, but rather extending it beyond that.
13:38:59 The intended outcomes are to increase visitors spending and shoulder and winter seasons. By developing visitor experiences and industry capacities as supply and developing more
diverse and targeted seasonal promotions that's the demand.
13:39:16 That's how we're going to do this.
13:39:21 In case you're not aware and you all probably are the National Park Service did a survey in 2022 regarding the economic impact.
13:39:32 Of tourism on the Olympic Peninsula. That equates to 320 million dollars.
13:39:39 So we are not talking about jump change here. And Debbie, that's all tourism or is that just associated with the National Park?
13:39:46 That's all. As they measure it. Yes. So we have done a lot of this data collection including a resident survey.
13:39:58 We had a goal of 500 to respond and we stretched that to well if we really do well we get a thousand we had 1,440 respondents and those are residents in our community of that
19% answer this question how would you rate the importance of tourism on the Olympic Peninsula?
13:40:18 Either a or extremely important.
13:40:24 I think that's pretty powerful. In other words, they like tourism. They understand that it's important to issue our economy.
13:40:34 What have we done this far to include the community in the community engagement? We had 10 focus groups with industry and community stakeholders.
13:40:46 We did 30 individual interviews and that included 4 with indigenous tribes.
13:40:54 The resident survey I just mentioned, we did an industry survey, a destination next is proprietary to the company that's doing this work for us.
13:41:06 And that was 168 stakeholders, people that are in the business of tourism who understand tourism.
13:41:13 And that was a 45Â min survey. If you're going fast. So that was big time commitment.
13:41:23 Then we held 4 community town halls in September. First one out at Fort Warden.
13:41:26 Then we went to Squim. We went to Portuguese and out to Forks to engage again and maybe a different group and those were well attended with.
13:41:37 Very enthusiastic presentation and for the most part I would say informative and very positive. And just so you guys, I've been on the leadership group for this effort, so I
participated in at least one of the.
13:41:50 Focus groups, the transportation focus group and that was a lively discussion. Actually, largely about the need for more, transit, micro transit, to get people to a destination.
13:42:05 And then, I also participated in the community, the community town hall for Warden. Which was as Debbie just said well attended with tons of questions and input and you know,
people who have been in the tourism industry in the county for decades and people who have just gotten their.
13:42:24 Towing the water so it was a really good. Group of folks who are out there. Yeah, and then wanted forward and we didn't know what to expect and we had not only a very engaged
community, but we had set aside 90Â min for each of these.
13:42:38 And I think they would have gone at least double that because we were still talking, at least double that because we were still talking, at least double that because we were
still talking, 45Â min after and if we hadn't had a time, 45Â min after and if we hadn't had a time, 45Â min after and if we hadn't had a time, 45Â min after and if we hadn't had a
time.
13:42:56 would've still been there. Yeah. So yes, I' to mention we did put a leadership team together and it's a representative of.
13:42:57 Both counties we tried to find a broad spectrum of participation from different industries and that has been sort of the guiding group through all of these conversations.
13:43:09 We will take all of this data and that's kind of where we are right now is calling through the data, trying to understand the data, putting it into a.
13:43:22 And on November, the second we will have a visioning workshop both of the leadership team and others in the leadership team and others in the community for example, we will
have a visioning workshop both of the leadership team and others in the community, for example, chamber directors and the presidents of the chamber floors, additional government participation
in the National Park, the National Forest.
13:43:40 You get the idea. And that will be a really important time to kind of come together and say, so here's what we're planning.
13:43:49 Is everybody in agreement with this and then how do we execute that.
13:43:54 So we did this thing at the town hall group discussions that seemed to really resonate with people and that's called No, it's, and so I share with you here the one from Port
Townsend and basically it was how would you describe living in the Olympic Peninsula and basically it was how would you describe living in the Olympic on the Olympic Peninsula in one
to 3 words?
13:44:17 And this is the one that came up from, Port Townsend, out of, so I point out to you peaceful is front and center that's that means that's the word that most often and then you
can kind of see you all have probably seen, I didn't, so it was interesting that I, after I got all of them, I went back and looked.
13:44:38 There was a lot of commonality. But the expensive stands out here in this port towns and one for me.
13:44:47 See if you find it in the other ones. From the other town halls. Yeah. So we might I share with you here all 4 of them and then we did a combined one.
13:44:57 Peaceful, beautiful, friendly, healthy, Right. And beautiful, friendly, green, peaceful. Removes California.
13:45:17 And then this was the one out in Forks. Peaceful, fresh, green, magical, and awesome.
13:45:25 We were working. In tandem on the Olympic and Insulitarism Commission ad campaign that's just being sent out right now and it's kind of amazing that that's all about.
13:45:42 Quiet, you know, the tourists have left. Now come and this is what you'll experience and it's a green like the imagery is all green and so I kind of think it validated that
we might be onto something for this time of the year.
13:45:58 And then we took all 4 of these time of the year. And then we took all 4 of these and combined them. And then we took all 4 of these and combined them.
13:46:06 Oh, I didn't that in here. And then we took all 4 of these and combined them. Oh, I didn't that in here.
13:46:11 Well, it is online. We took all 4 of these and combined them. Oh, I didn't that in here. Well, it is online.
13:46:17 But, I think I sent it to you, I don't remember. It's in the, it's in the one with the leadership deck, last week. Okay. But basically it's seeing all those on top of each other.
13:46:21 You're gonna see like how you said some common
13:46:21 So we have the outline of strategic framework or strategic. Map and. We are currently working on taking sort of 4 pillars.
13:46:35 For this master plan and we're sharing with you here what are those 4 pillars they are demand enhance the marketing.
13:46:44 So develop targeted marketing and sales to increase shoulder season. And winter awareness.
13:46:52 So supply, developing the assets and the visitor experience. Invest in responsible industry. Development and place making.
13:47:00 We in Jefferson County understand place making really well. I mean, if you just were at the Apple Festival yesterday.
13:47:07 That whole thing is about bringing in. People who are doing fascinating, interesting, experiential things. That tourists and residents alike enjoy.
13:47:20 Right? Local small business development expand and grow networks in culinary culture, arts, biking, and other lifestyle segments.
13:47:32 So we know that visitors now have more of an expectation than just looking at pretty mountains and water and, and green.
13:47:43 They want to experience what the community is. So the development of that I think is very important. And then the continuation of public private collaboration.
13:47:53 So how do we improve community and industry alignment regarding infrastructure development? We know and we heard it and it will be included in the master plan.
13:48:04 That in order to have workers all year, a workforce all year, you have to have affordable housing. Well, we think that with some of this stretching the season.
13:48:17 It will allow people to live here and work here more than just. What I call the caviar of 3 months of the year, right?
13:48:26 And so how do we align? Government work. Industry that says they want to have skilled labor.
13:48:37 And bring those things together. Does that include kind of more traditional workforce development? Yes. Now that's not what we're doing. We're not.
13:48:49 I mean, the tourist You know, we're not, this is about tourism. But where does local tourism, Stacations for example, fit into that picture?
13:48:58 Right. I'm thinking though for the workforce necessary for tourism. I hear you speaking to the infrastructure development as part of that.
13:49:09 And number 4, but. Are there other places where workforce development? Comes up in these pillars, would you say?
13:49:17 Yes. And I think it's. Okay.
13:49:22 Responsible industry development, right? What does that mean? And what we're doing right now is putting all the action plans underneath each of these and what does that look
like and it seems reasonable that that is going to show up.
13:49:36 Okay, yes, thank you. For sure. I'm curious because that's one of the.
13:49:41 Fields that I work in. So yeah, would love to have a better sense of. What the need is there.
13:49:47 Yes, it's huge. Yeah. Yes. And it's not just the traditional housekeepers, right?
13:49:54 It's every level of tourism and what that looks like. You know, one of the things that we've seen in some of our, data collection is that we have seen in some of our data collection
is that we have a high level of quality with outdoor experiences.
13:50:14 We don't have enough people that are taking people to those outdoor experiences. Right? So we have to connect those dots.
13:50:23 And that's the data that we have to say, well, you know, on our DNX survey and I'm doing this for memory, but it's like almost 5 out of 5.
13:50:32 This is, you know, we have beautiful parks. We have beautiful waterways, but you know all these other things.
13:50:37 But we have a shortage of people that can take you to those places. Right? Or take you along, right?
13:50:48 I mean, ODT, you know, obviously that's, kind of a, piece of the crown, a gym in the crown, right?
13:50:54 But I would love to see like in those European trails, you know, that have little way points along the way where you can get a beer and grab a nice sleep and you have this lovely
experience that's like would be part of your path experience right and I just How does how is that built?
13:51:10 So that is one of the things that we have as one of our action plans is how do we take the 135 miles of that trail.
13:51:19 And put businesses along the trail. And what are those businesses and how can they be successful? Right. So when you talk about.
13:51:28 Yeah, the the community industry alignment we gotta make sure that we've got the kinds of businesses that can thrive and make sure that we've got the kinds of businesses that
can thrive and not just in July and August, but beyond that.
13:51:43 I think the river center, is a pretty good example of that right now where you got the kinds of businesses that can thrive and not just in July and August, but beyond that.
13:51:48 I think the river center, is You can get a coffee. You can go to a museum.
13:51:51 You don't even have to get off the path. Right? And we have those, you know.
13:51:55 Throughout. At our last meeting I I think I always feel like I'm the peanut gallery.
13:52:00 I'm like, we need a hot system. Feedback about that idea and I was thinking, well, maybe we already have hats.
13:52:11 We just need to identify them. You know, maybe we have, bludging, we have lodging along the trail.
13:52:16 The Jamestown tribes casino hotel. That could be a hut, you know, but or there's also like.
13:52:23 Vacation rentals those could be the huts along the way we could identify the existing lodging as our head system you know.
13:52:32 And I think your use of the word wavefinding is very important. To say, how do people know that that's there?
13:52:38 How the residents know that much of that trail was funded by lodging tax dollars. From visitors. Right.
13:52:48 So how do we connect all of those dots? Is what we're looking to do. Oh, and I did get the answer from Randy Johnson as to what they did with all their public work money through
LTA. Did I?
13:53:01 I think I last week mentioned that. It was for the trail. That's what they were using on that transport.
13:53:08 And connecting the trail in the places that are not safe right now, that's, you know, that's a huge thing that are not safe right now.
13:53:21 That's, you know, that's huge. But, yeah, over to Port Townsend.
13:53:23 And that's the raise grant. They just got the 16 million dollars. And that's the raise grant. They just got the 16 million.
13:53:25 Dogs. Yeah. So I mean, when you look at like industry development that to me that that feels like smaller independent entrepreneurs more than larger restaurants which are already,
you know, struggling with workforce, you know, to even be open 5 days a week at this point, right?
13:53:40 I guess these are some of the. The challenges, right? I mean, and even if there was.
13:53:45 How do people live for these jobs that often You know, we're paying $18 an hour or something.
13:53:55 I mean, that's just like the conundrum that I'm wondering if you guys have.
13:53:58 Dived into that. I think that the solution to housing is. Up to all of us. Sure.
13:54:10 And it's not just government, it's not just private and, you know, Jefferson County, we have some pretty good examples of what's happening with that right now.
13:54:16 I think as a resident, what we see going on over our base side, what we see when, you know, some of these other locations.
13:54:24 It's gonna take a lot of cooperation and creativity. Yeah, to set the tone. I guess I, I just, yeah, a conflict.
13:54:33 And what seems like encouraging more transient rentals. Because I mean, that's that's what I see is like the solution to some of these problems.
13:54:42 Of being about making it more flexible and having these expanding the shoulder season to me almost seems like it might.
13:54:49 Suck up units as fast as it could make them. I know it's I don't I don't know.
13:54:56 Yeah I'm not looking for a solution. I just, it's an important conversation. Yeah.
13:55:03 Yeah, okay. So that is a quick review of what we have been up to. And I hope that that was helpful to just kind of see where this is going and how it's intersecting with.
13:55:18 You know, all the communities. Absolutely. Are there any questions? And you've got Barbara and me.
13:55:30 So yeah, I don't know. I'll give you a little chance if you have anything that you want to add. Love to hear from you.
13:55:31 It's good Did you hear your voice again?
13:55:34 I see.
13:55:34 Thanks so much. No, Debbie did a great job. Hi.
13:55:39 Thanks for having us here. I think Debbie did a great job of summing up what as you can appreciate has been a very I really feel a very engaged process.
13:55:51 We've talked amongst ourselves and amongst the leadership team to say that. You know, really part of the value of this is the process itself.
13:56:00 And I think having so many engaged voices at different. Levels. Has really just helped raise the awareness of the value of tourism to our communities, not just the obvious but
you know the trickle-out effect and jobs and awareness and that sort of thing.
13:56:22 So. Much to do, you know, there's a lot still to do here and it's not gonna be finished. I mean, the plan will be finished.
13:56:30 But all the work won't be finished, you know, in the first. Year it's a 5 year plan.
13:56:34 And I think there's going to be a lot more engagement to come. So thank you so much for the support.
13:56:40 That the County Jefferson County Commissioners have shown and. We really appreciate Commissioner Eisenhower's involvement.
13:56:49 She's been very involved when she has a very busy schedule I know so. Thank you.
13:56:54 Great. Questions? I'm just excited to see the product. Cause I, want more detail on things like the transportation, you know, and that's something I'm really interested in the
product.
13:57:09 Cause I want more detail on things like the transportation, you know, and that's something I'm really interested in to be here.
13:57:11 Get here and visit here without. Bringing more cars. And I think there's a ton of opportunity for itineraries.
13:57:18 Around using transit, now motorized transportation, and, you know, that's Experiential travel too and some, I know that it's premature to dive into some of those action plans
but.
13:57:33 Please share those among yourselves because that is what will ultimately happen in the plan. You know, here's an action plan.
13:57:47 An additional bike itinerary that goes from this point to this point and along the way this is where you know what I mean it's going to be that kind of plan and it's gonna take
A lot of different entities to take this plan and make it live.
13:58:03 So from a timeline standpoint we expect to sort of finalize this by the end of this year. And then roll it out.
13:58:13 You know, to tour tourism businesses first and then beyond that in their communities. Yeah. And one more thing I've.
13:58:27 You know, it would. Like you always think of efforts like this, it's great when they can kind of help build on other efforts and.
13:58:34 I think of EB charging as one of those where we're really, you know, trying to make the case for this.
13:58:41 There's a lot of funding available for EB chargers right now and making the case for the need out here.
13:58:46 And so yeah, I just love if this could kind of help with that narrative too of like, you know, there's a shared desire to see more.
13:58:56 You be charging stations, put it in. It sounds like I wanted this provide input into the plan. Yeah.
13:59:07 I mean, what I think what Kate's saying is on fan. Yes. You're doing me both.
13:59:09 Yeah. I mean, what I think what Kate's saying is on fan tour is familiarization tours you should really incorporate transportation into that's familiarization tours you should
really incorporate transportation into that when possible right I mean like Van life is 1 one thing but you know let's get some bus hashtag bus life out there.
13:59:21 And show show people show people. Have people show people different ways of experience. And there is some of that that's been happening to show people different ways of experience.
And there is some of that that's been happening.
13:59:35 I reflect on one that we did a couple of years ago and it was how do you take public transportation from the Bainbridge Ferry all the way to Forks. And you can.
13:59:46 It's not easy. And you have to plan well, and you have to understand, you know, which best connect switch bus, which, you know.
13:59:52 And picking people up along the way with an, with an electric bike and, you know, so it does, it has happened, but we need to really.
14:00:05 I hear what you're saying about that has happened, but we need to really I hear what you're saying about that.
14:00:14 But we need to really, I hear what you're saying about that. Station so we were just at like 20 of us in the county for a community meeting.
14:00:21 And 2 things. One, we stayed the night and there was like 7 electric vehicles and they have 4 chargers out there good on them right but only 2 of them are working so we had
to do this whole like, are you done?
14:00:40 You're, yeah, charging, you know. Coordination. But the other thing that was fun when we were out there is a, a few times.
14:00:47 I saw Jefferson transit. Like, I'm through, along the road, you know, and I was just like, oh, thank God we could get here on the bus.
14:00:56 Yeah, you can. Yeah, and you know that has been used. Cool. Yes.
14:01:16 . It
14:01:16 Can I just make a comment to Commissioner Dean, regarding the EVs? We actually did a media.
14:01:24 Pham with a writer from British Columbia. Who came out and did mostly the West End but did some she brought her easy vehicle we're still waiting for the article to run so soon
as it runs I'll make sure you see it but we did have a writer late last year who
14:01:45 Oh, no, you're free to throw it up.
14:01:46 Came with her small child and her EV. And so we'll see how we're waiting for the.
14:01:52 That's great. Thank you, Marshall. Yeah. Okay, well, we're waiting with bated breath for the final product and you know, but we'll continue to wait and I'm good glad that I
is able to participate in the creation of this document.
14:02:08 So, well, thank you for your encouragement way back pre COVID. That's when this whole conversation and a lot of funding.
14:02:17 So, very visionary. And if there is another opportunity for input, it sounds like we are an eager bunch. We are still collecting and input.
14:02:33 So if you would like I know, our has frustrated a few times, but if you want to do it as a group or individually, we're so happy to make that happen.
14:02:41 We Okay, let me know. Sounds good. Okay. Yeah.
14:02:56 Really good to see you again too. Thank you.
14:02:59 Take care. Oh yeah, no problem. We've got lots of tech issues. We are dealing.
14:03:09 Yeah. Alright, so you do have a hearing coming up at 2 30 but we can right that continue deliberations on the hearing thank you but we can I see Mr Butler is with us already
so we can right that continue deliberations on the hearing thank you but we can I see. Right. That continue deliberations on the hearing. Thank you.
14:03:27 But we can. I see Mr. Butler is with us already so we can, and folks are so inclined, jump back into the, continue The chip program, has no set time and is potential action.
14:03:35 So Brent, are you are you ready to hop into that? Okay, yeah, take your time.
14:03:45 We'll put you on the spot. But you know, let's see. The eager beaver gets the cheese.
14:03:52 Is that how it goes? The turbivores. I mean, okay. She doesn't like, everyone likes cheese.
14:04:14 And I've never really. No, I's mixing my metaphors a little bit.
14:04:28 That's where I was gonna go with the beaver. Don't give a dog a cheese.
14:04:35 I've seen videos of deer eating hot dogs. Oh yeah. Oh my goodness. Yeah, the bugs, right?
14:04:41 So that's
14:04:43 Half a hot dog.
14:04:46 Just sent the PowerPoint. Presentation to the clerk and to kind of. And I've got it.
14:04:58 Sounds like this is a Still lots of progress happening on the Yes. Gotta be in a UGA now before we start, huh?
14:05:08 Yeah, I say, I mean, the conservative reading means we can't apply, right? No, I'm gonna say that.
14:05:26 Already ready to jump the shark. Okay Good.
14:05:43 It takes a little time. Okay.
14:05:51 Go ahead. Okay. So I wanted to thank the commissioners. I'm glad that we're able to give this ahead as quickly as we are.
14:06:06 And this brief presentation on the next slide agenda is the third of our last. And it's just a quick overview. And it's just a quick overview.
14:06:23 I'm going to approach the GA zoning. Looking at the connecting housing to infrastructure and outreach and then a review of the project.
14:06:33 And then, the next steps.
14:06:36 So, when we discuss the process, There have been, you know, some discussions about what are the different approaches.
14:06:48 One of the concerns that, in development is that we can create zoning but doesn't necessarily mean you didn't have housing.
14:07:02 Sometimes it's really difficult to induce a developers to do that. street is an example of that.
14:07:13 8 years ago and we're finally now having the in first housing
14:07:22 So, I mean, that wasn't really created as a housing area though, that really? That's not that kind of supposed to be, business develop for a bit of rank.
14:07:33 It's actually some residential high density. Yeah, but reactivity to the market, you know, you don't have to have commercial on the bottom floor is supposed to be out. But reactivity
to the market, you know, you don't have to have commercial on the bottom floor.
14:07:45 It's kind of what allowed that to move forward, I believe. But I'm sorry. I just use that as an example.
14:07:48 Of living that difficulty or disc, knowing the local economic economics and what's gonna work. So I'm trying to close that gap.
14:07:58 So that we're closer to the local economic. And so, and unfortunately, what works in Port Townsend.
14:08:08 May not work necessarily in, there are different price points. And one of the most important things is looking at the performance.
14:08:17 And so in their, the agenda request they sort of talked about. The most important question a lot of persons in the field out like they give tenure.
14:08:28 What is and it's often on that it's not asked question. What is it in terms of tenure?
14:08:35 We're supposed to be promoted. I mean, we could go for the fee simple ownership. And everyone can have their own home.
14:08:43 It's gonna. Serve that population as 200% above AMI. If that's the desire, 10 year, but based upon the board's direction, the adoption of, a, a, a, of controls and emergency,
Good to me that that's not the board's direction, like we're not focused on those earning 200% or 300% or 300% or 300% of.
14:09:13 MI we're trying to the workforce which typically is a hundred percent or 300%. Of 300% of the.
14:09:17 We're trying to the workforce which typically is a hundred 20%. And so given that. There's some assumptions that I move ahead with is that, I should reach out to housing developers.
14:09:28 That are producing housing for that market segment. We're not a market setting that has a lot of those producers.
14:09:37 I mean, I was living across the nation. There's only one that was only one large city that has a lot of lower, the middle income housing.
14:09:47 Production that is used for Texas, a lot of, you know, housing that for the workforce.
14:09:52 And so some of the types of questions that I would ask is that, well, if we are developing housing.
14:10:01 What are the? Because that's going to do the nature of the developers and then back to the table.
14:10:09 I just thought maybe you have a big discussion on that because I haven't received any guidance from the board on that.
14:10:17 Thoughts? I've always been an advocate for workforce housing as being a really critical missing rung on the ladder.
14:10:29 We don't seem to have trouble attracting people who can afford to build single family residences.
14:10:35 Often this entire incomes are moving from other markets, real estate market. So, I don't think that's an area and that's an area that government really needs to intervene.
14:10:46 You know that there is funding for. Very low income and homeless housing, obviously not enough funding for that and we've not kept up and ensuring that those units.
14:11:01 Get built, but, it feels that there is a the more established. Pathway for. Very low income housing.
14:11:14 So workforce has always been my interest. I feel like there's an opportunity for Yeah, public private.
14:11:19 Partnerships there the housing trust community land trust model i think is is you know, an example of a creative way that we can help support that, rung of the, continuum.
14:11:39 So that's my interest in where I think we can help support that run of the housing continuum.
14:11:42 So that's my interest and where I think we can do And then, and then headlock office that opportunity as well.
14:11:49 And I would say, to everything she just said, the same time. Yeah, 80 to 120%.
14:11:51 The market has left it behind. It's a broken run, something, land trust, you know, publicly on land, some way to attract developers.
14:12:00 Multi-family tax credit. I mean, I think we need to explore. Even when it impacts you know our revenues those are property taxes right but i think whatever it takes to attract
developers for.
14:12:15 Yeah, 80 to 1 20 is the part. I mean, not there's enough of 80% and below, but at least we have a funding structure that we can work on and we've been successful.
14:12:24 In addressing it, but been completely unsuccessful. 80% equals like for a family of 4.
14:12:36 I'm just 30. No, no. Oh, per hour? No, no, no, no.
14:12:49 It's, 52 is 50 grand for a family of 4. So it's like dated grand.
14:12:52 I mean, you know. 30 bucks an hour. Is kind of in above where you can actually afford rent, but you know, saying affordable is still 33.
14:13:03 A third of your income. I mean, it's. Isn't it just?
14:13:10 Looks like AMI for a family of 4, 3, 400. So. 60% of that would be.
14:13:19 Right. 67.
14:13:26 And of course, as you know, Brent is documented and you see all over the place I wear in that.
14:13:31 Hiest. Rate, you know, cost of housing, you know, just about anywhere. I can't wait to send one, right?
14:13:42 Broke the public sector model for everyone else.
14:13:47 So, it's really helpful. What I will do is I will look at the different tenures that can address the workforce.
14:13:55 And so typically that's looking at rental, sub-sized rental. Or trust model of your bifurcating. And then there's limited equity collapse.
14:14:10 So there's a group of models there. In the report that, the agenda's limited equity collapse. So there's a group of models there.
14:14:16 Well, in the report that, the agenda request, I identified that some communities, in this case, one of them was open and identified 56 different types of 10.
14:14:22 So we're just gonna look at those that we're likely to attract. Potential developers and so that'll be the next step.
14:14:30 And, and so looking at this approach, and so, that'll be the next step.
14:14:36 And, and so looking at this approach, I would, and the reason I ask Oh, and I'm still not just yet.
14:14:38 It's a the development proposals that we've been looking at are really dependent upon what can you.
14:14:44 And so that's why I wanted to make sure. Before I even reached out to the developer, what the boards.
14:14:51 What I would typically do after that. And this I'm looking at quarter time per form the base number one.
14:15:02 And that's really I'm trying to get to the market approach. And that would be then.
14:15:05 Have the developers put together what pencils for them, what they have been willing to build. Unfortunately, the developers not going to lose their shirt.
14:15:14 Build anything if that's the likely outcome. And so, typically when we look at, to how to perform, there's an assumption, 10% profit.
14:15:25 And so typically, We do that, that's an expectation, that's the minimum that developer would have interest going into a community.
14:15:36 Right. Oh, and then one of those performance, the question is. Well, is there community support?
14:15:42 For what has been proposed. Yes and no. And then the review of zone. So that was to perform a basic approach.
14:15:58 Now, one of the areas that I had some discussions with, well, one of the areas that I had some discussions with, and really this, now, one of the areas that I had some discussions
with, and really this, of a wonderful presentation at the Housing Washington conference where, the city, providing an example.
14:16:12 Of them creating an affordable housing demonstration project. And so what that says is that you may not know they may necessarily not be within UGA, although that probably would
be.
14:16:24 But we could, create and already have this, is, but we could, create and already have this, it's, the language in our comprehensive plan to actually move forward with the zoning
text that says, well, we will accept.
14:16:40 Affordable housing demonstration projects. If they need these certain parameters. Like we could take those 5 properties just south of the Fuzzle Brown Village that we own.
14:16:49 It's outside of the UGA, but really adjacent to the sewer and say we want to do a demonstration project here with 300 units.
14:16:54 Well, you know. You know a hundred units 50 well that would that would work I would say if in fact we're able to do an expansion of the that would be a for that, to be successful.
14:17:11 But I do feel that the their urban growth there had well. Is gonna be right. So, a demonstration project, someone comes forward, we can get a couple there and it says that we
will look at your proposal if even if it's in a commercial, if even if it's in a commercial room.
14:17:33 And it will make the amendment to that so that's the alternative approach. Okay. And it will make the amendment to that. So that's the alternative approach that I see.
14:17:40 And, and then the third one is, okay, and it will make the amendment to that. So that's the alternative approach that I see.
14:17:46 And, and then the third one is, really a much more comprehensive approach. And that really starts with essentially the development.
14:17:47 And then you have Chourette's. And when I say, they have a picture from the National Strange to where we invite people in the National Strange to where we invite people in the
community. They all sit down at different tables.
14:17:59 You might have a developer, the community, they all sit down at different tables, they all sit down at different tables.
14:18:05 You might have a developer, and, and say, well, this is what we know we can develop in your community.
14:18:07 How do you feel about this? Where would you like to see this? And then, and then this would go into the concern that I heard, Commissioner Eisenhower identified that.
14:18:17 That a lot of the people that spend a lot of time in 2,005 and 6 in developing plans for the sewer no longer here.
14:18:27 And so there are a lot of new community members that don't understand that. And so that was really trying to get to the heart of the concern that I heard.
14:18:37 And then, once we have something that already seems to have that support in the community, to have that support in the community, then you go and compare and.
14:18:50 And so, this is the likely the quickest pathway is the demonstration project. It's not specific to the.
14:18:59 So we would accept demonstration products anywhere. And that also provides us with some flexibility. We always has been concerned about changing the urban ranks before we get
to sewer.
14:19:13 You know, I see this as a way to sort of avoid that concern. So I just wanted to share this.
14:19:18 Alternative approach. And, and the most important thing about that, it doesn't negate the possibility of doing a more comprehensive approach.
14:19:28 You can still do that. So, so it's not, it's not moving that out.
14:19:33 So how Like I'm guessing if we're talking about attracting. Developers in this case workforce housing developers.
14:19:48 I mean, we know that that really needs to be done in a dense. In order to connect to pencil, it needs to be a fairly dense.
14:19:54 . How could we do that outside of an urban growth area without risking, you know, pretty significant, but we do have, we need opportunity.
14:20:15 This urban growth there is almost ready to be activated. So, so, but not for this chip side, right?
14:20:20 I mean, not, not within 2 years. Well, as long as construction can start with in 2 years.
14:20:29 And that could mean that if you if you're able to get something in the December of 2021.
14:20:36 And so that's the And it is, but in fact, there's some effort with the weekend and some of the other projects, there will be more opportunities.
14:20:50 So I'm looking at it from that perspective. Well, we may not be able to immediately, there's movement afoot to make some change to accommodate that.
14:21:02 Yeah.
14:21:05 Yeah, we like, I like that word, And so then I'm gonna go back and what really inspired this Look at Chip with that.
14:21:16 I really need the performance to really understand what pencil. So that's how I got here originally.
14:21:22 Is that I can't make any changes or propose any changes to zone. And think about first understanding what, desire with regards to 10 years.
14:21:31 And also in second, understanding what mathematically works. And so, we've, now this is our third briefing on this.
14:21:43 And as Mark said, our last. And, this going, having monthly conversations with our partners. So I'm gonna move on to the next slide.
14:21:57 The first partner. And I looked at these chips scoring. So I sit down with them.
14:22:02 I make sure that my partners that we would have are aware of the concerns. And so, we did cover this before.
14:22:13 This talks about the number of units that are on the percentage. And so for example, and and so for example, Evans Vista is now looking at 25% of some 300 and some large units
will be affordable.
14:22:26 So, but you get more points for more. greater than that minimum level. I mean, what is the level of affordability?
14:22:35 No, I want to make sure when the board says workforce. Typically, workforce. And I would look at the, salaries, really workforce is really based upon the, they used to call
both an industrial class.
14:22:54 So what are those? The core jobs in your community and you would say, well, so it might be as well as 50 or 40% AMI up to a hundred 20.
14:23:05 If you are looking at who works at Starbucks, Safeway, for example, or better learning some coffee, some of these services, what are their, and then understanding the pathway,
category, and then going up to, teachers or so forth.
14:23:25 Then you get a good workforce range. So, so, to One of the areas we're gonna, I'm gonna look at is what is that workforce?
14:23:30 And, and that'll be in one of my agenda requests. And then obviously, mental affordability, one of the concerns that it's been emphasized by, numerous parties, you know, that
we make it affordable.
14:23:45 We give this low-income household this opportunity. But then we can't pass it on. Because they're the only ones that get it.
14:23:54 And there's no way to transfer that to the next family. So that's pretty interesting. I just, we have a 2 30, so I want to know. So where are we now? Okay.
14:24:04 Okay, so I'm gonna move faster here. So this really, Good. Okay. And then, so then the readyness to proceed, talk about the, the cost of utility improvements for the system.
14:24:18 So that's another question. So when we look at, what the state has said is that they're focused primarily on new housing.
14:24:30 And they don't consider temporary or transitional. Okay, so they're looking at what we have there is permanent affordable.
14:24:40 Which is a smaller subset. That is made potentially. For a minute, sporting housing wouldn't be included.
14:24:49 So that that would meet the definite guidelines. And so the question is if we have a crisis situation by having these other units in there providing that continuum getting persons
out of unsheltered situations.
14:25:04 And so we could in the brand application I'll be working just to sue that because I think they should be aware that although permanent supported housing is the primary grant
eligible type of project that it is accommodating a larger need by the continuing.
14:25:22 And so I hope that will be persuaded. Readiness to proceed. We have a commitment letter for a castle.
14:25:31 We don't have that for, our other partners and I believe they're gonna come online at some point and I'm referring to Bayside housing and we did have a nice meeting with them
on Friday.
14:25:43 And then access to public transit. I wanted to thank the board for helping me because when I looked at the maps like the regular maps that Jefferson transit issues, I don't
see the bus.
14:25:56 And then I actually double check what you said. I can mall the Jefferson traffic because I said, well, your maps show you that the stop is Oak Bay and Verner or QSC and this
is one is the closest is a 22Â min walk.
14:26:09 And they said, oh no, look at Google naps. There's like a bus stop right there.
14:26:15 And it's just like you said. So, so that really makes, eventually all of our projects, look at, the only concern is that there's a. So that really makes, eventually all of our
projects, look at, most enough.
14:26:32 The only concern is that there's So 5. Times a day is not considered high frequency. So that's the only concern.
14:26:40 And there might be other ways to address that, And then. My name's the charge.
14:26:48 That's a pretty standard. I think that would be more applicable, for example, if the standard.
14:26:55 I think that would be more applicable, for example, if the Evans Vistor project. Where to come and connect to the list station.
14:26:59 And they were bringing it all the way down to Casual Brown Village. And all of the other projects that come in later would pay that late.
14:27:08 And so that would be the way you just extend it all the way to the end. And then, then they had the, they already have that in city, 4, so that the other development projects
will move ahead.
14:27:20 One of the things that I know they're looking at a brand all at once. And one of the things that, and I know we are looking at a brand all at once, and I know they're looking
at a brand all at once, development, like a master development, but sometimes, you know, they're looking at a brand all at once, development, like a master development, but sometimes,
you know, they.
14:27:34 may that small smaller developments sort of similar to how we broke of our sewer and I'll just give him the history of how development has occurred.
14:27:44 And then, we also are working on the, moving and system development charges.
14:27:51 So we're moving in. So I actually think given that it's just 3Â min to 2 30 and 10,000 in place.
14:27:58 Yeah, so good. Okay. Sounds good. We stop that share and it's Phil joining us online meeting.
14:28:04 No.
14:28:27 So. One Okay.
14:28:38 We're not sharing.
14:28:38 I'm just waiting for a thing to catch up here.
14:28:42 Hi Phil.
14:28:44 Howdy.
14:28:46 Do you mean with us?
14:28:48 Yes, can you hear me?
14:28:50 And here you can't see though. We can hear you. We see a black screen. Do you maybe have a shutter?
14:28:59 Are you on a laptop or? There you go.
14:28:57 Suit. That's exactly what he was. Okay. Excellent. There we are.
14:29:03 Thank you.
14:29:03 Cool. Alright, well just getting back. We'll wait another minute since we label this. 2 30.
14:29:15 I don't realize I did not. All the correspondence, but don't think they're solved here in It's that jeans.
14:29:34 Joyce and in the halfway. For that. Okay, I've still got it open.
14:29:47 Okay.
14:29:53 Oh no, they would do it. Yeah, that's it. Okay.
14:30:13 Okay.
14:30:17 Oh.
14:30:22 Hmm.
14:30:37 All right, well, we are at 2 30.
14:30:41 I know I didn't find it. So let's. I think Brent, are you participating in this as well?
14:30:52 As needed. Okay. Great. Well, we've had, Oh, kept the hearing open for, written comment up until 4 30 so that was closed as of Friday and we're really we're here to I deliberate
on the changes.
14:31:11 I think there's some questions. Kate, I think, I don't know, do you have questions, queued up?
14:31:18 Kate, for, Phil, about the ag buildings. Great. I'm sorry, Phil, that I missed last week and I, So I know it's annoying that somebody jump in halfway through.
14:31:35 But Over the years, I'm having worked for the WSE Small Farms Program and having been a farmer myself in the county.
14:31:46 The question of egg buildings has continually been a challenge and I know for DCD it has that as well but that I'm a little concerned about the definition.
14:32:01 I'm sorry. I think it opened up here. Of the egg building just being really.
14:32:08 Really limited and limiting. And I think just that under. That A shall not contain plumbing unless necessary to maintain livestock.
14:32:22 It seems like an outdated kind of definition of agriculture. I think agriculture has changed a lot in the county here.
14:32:28 We have a lot of things like corticultural crops and seed crops and.
14:32:33 I would just love to be sure that we're not overly kind of boxing in a too limited of a definition when when I think that egg has changed considerably.
14:32:49 I think the most obvious one in this has come up. And needed to be interpreted as, greenhouses, you know, simple kind of metal hoop structures typically don't have the, do have
water.
14:33:01 Do not are not used for livestock. But are very, very common and that was what you call a pretty low risk.
14:33:08 So just curious like. I mean, that's one example. Of a type of agricultural building that I think would not work under this.
14:33:19 New definition and would love to talk more about that.
14:33:20 Sure, absolutely. Thank you, Commissioners. So one thing to note on this is that the only thing that has changed on the act definition is adding the definition that it is already
been adopted by WAC in the International Building Code.
14:33:34 This one that we've been using for, you know, years. It just never has been formerly, formally adopted into the code.
14:33:44 You know, a few things that had come to light from the public. The clause about the plumbing, the clause about the, heating. That did not change.
14:33:54 That's been there for as long as collective member is. I'm not sure when that got established.
14:34:00 What this was, this was. Defining an agriculture building cannot be a store, a place of habitation.
14:34:08 You can't live in an agricultural building. You know they're exempt from permit if you do want to convert it to living space it's possible but it requires a permit these are
all uses that are defined in the international building code.
14:34:24 Greenhouses, the majority of greenhouses are going to fall under the 200 square foot exemption anyway, which gives you a 10 by 20 greenhouse, which is a pretty decently sized
greenhouse for, you know, private use, you know, if we go into an agricultural, a commercial agricultural use, then they would be exempt from permit.
14:34:43 One of the things to note on this as well is that, it's Yeah, absolutely.
14:34:54 Correct.
14:34:46 Sorry, can I stop you there? 200 and and they are exempt from a permit because
14:34:58 Because they're an agricultural building. Now if it is a processing facility, now that does change because you know if it's used as a factory for let's say then you would need
to get a building permit for that.
14:35:11 For that use if you're going to have workers inside and you're going to actually produce a product beyond you know cleaning vegetables cleaning field crops things like that
if you're actually going to produce some sort of product make candles that kind of a thing.
14:35:26 It doesn't, it no longer works as an agricultural exemption.
14:35:30 3 houses aren't listed as one of the agricultural. I thought I came away from our discussion last week.
14:35:36 Thinking that they were covered, but like look back at the definition after talking to Kate and hearing comments that I don't see greenhouse listed.
14:35:44 Correct. So greenhouses, the majority of greenhouses that have just used Fort Browing, then that would meet the definition of an agriculture and that would be exempt.
14:35:55 Even if they have planning, which is used for, you know, irrigation or washing vegetables.
14:36:00 Correct. So. I'm sorry, correct. So the plumbing clause, basically the way that it works is if you talk to environmental health, The way that it works is plumbing, they define
as anything that adds septic capacity.
14:36:16 So for example, a hose bib or a yard hydrant doesn't add deceptive capacity so they don't view it as internal plumbing.
14:36:24 And that's the same thing that we're striving to go to. Yes, it does reference animals.
14:36:28 That is probably an antiquated clause that as I said has been probably an antiquated clause that as I said has been in this code for quite a long time and it's not something
that I removed.
14:36:38 I did not alter that portion of it.
14:36:42 Thanks. So even though greenhouses aren't explicitly referenced, they are considered as. Agricultural buildings.
14:36:48 Correct.
14:36:52 Which I mean it does get to a building. Or structured design constructed and used exclusively for horticultural products like that.
14:37:01 It does need that. But I think that that plumbing, is important. It makes sense to me that you know, yeah, it's the outflow really that you know if there's sanitary waste that
needs to be processed.
14:37:14 Environmental public health. I'm comfortable with that. You know, challenging and miss the mark on, you know, that one obscure type of agriculture that's present.
14:37:37 Yeah, have we already addressed this? I mean the clause unless necessary to maintain livestock. Couldn't it be?
14:37:48 Unless necessary for agricultural. Activities.
14:37:56 That would include less stock, wouldn't it? I mean, I just, that we're, that's getting into word smithing, but it feels more.
14:38:03 Inclusive of other uses. Right, or, Selma, include. Wait water. Should not necessitate the need for waste water treatment.
14:38:21 I mean, I, I know. I, you know, like to farm. Code goes way back and I, you know, this, is, you know, like the.
14:38:33 Exempt well still have a exemption based on raising livestock and you know i know that it's a This is a remnant to them important remnants.
14:38:46 You know, they're like. In order to be able to safely help. Farm animals birds, you need to be able to wash your hands with pot water.
14:38:57 Like, I get it. I'm on animals birds. You need to be able to wash your hands with pot water. Like, I get it.
14:38:59 I, I probably understand the meaning of the, Reason this exists as it is, but it just.
14:39:03 Can't we make things better? Yeah, exactly. Let me know we're 7 really smart people in a room right now.
14:39:12 It feels like we can make a couple things better.
14:39:16 Well, I guess to that point, I mean, we have suggestions for how to. Change the definition of agricultural building in in the test the written testimony and Can you talk a little
bit about the risk reward of using the state definition compared to using a nonz, our own definition or modifying it.
14:39:42 My understanding is that we can do, we can come up with our own definition for it. You know, the one that we have is already protected in a code.
14:39:50 If we go with the state definition, however, should we choose to amend it, Yeah, I, you would have to check with the, our legal team to make sure that if we expose ourselves
to any liability there, but I believe that it would be relatively minimal for my perspective.
14:40:08 And I still read it as it does not include greenhouses, cause it's used exclusively.
14:40:15 To store blah blah blah horticultural products and certainly you are not storing products in a greenhouse, right?
14:40:25 You're cultivating.
14:40:28 And can we also, I want, I would like to stay on the ag building, but the, the clause, the other thing that was added was building official is exclusive to discretion to determine
whether building a structure qualifies as an agricultural building.
14:40:42 And I try to explain to Commissioner Dean about kind of the rationale behind that, but can you can you explain that for our benefit again, Phil?
14:40:51 Absolutely. So the building official in most cases has the discretion to decide whether a building qualifies for a permit or requires a permit or not.
14:41:02 It is a type one decision. What type one permitting process. So the appeals process, you know, I, I spoke a little bit about this.
14:41:12 Talk about, you know, creating a board of appeals or you know what the the recommendation could be going forward of appeals or you know what the the recommendation could be
going forward on something like that.
14:41:21 We've never had a, recommendation could be going forward on something like that. We've never had a decision challenged at this point.
14:41:26 So we have not set up a board of appeals. That is one option. Another option is delegating it possibly to the hearing examiner.
14:41:31 There is a fee involved with that. And the last option would be, you know, if There was a decision that's disagreed upon, and it can, it can go to court and we can let the judicial
system decide.
14:41:46 Hmm. Okay. Other questions about ag building?
14:41:54 Okay. It just feels like we can fix the livestock stock. What's what's the the urgency of time Phil we take it upon ourselves to get our hands dirty in this.
14:42:10 Could we take another week to? Word Smith the definition.
14:42:13 That's fine. We can also. The things that I was. We're most dire with this.
14:42:22 With this ordinance that I was trying to get through, was the adoption of the building code, which now is Not necessarily as much of an issue.
14:42:27 Okay.
14:42:30 Extended to March. That was originally my time frame to try to get this in by the end of October.
14:42:35 If we could proceed with. Looking at some of the other language that was in chapter 2, about, the creation of a.
14:42:45 I'm sorry, some of it in, Title 2, some of the Title 15, about the, the fire marshal and the adoption of a commercial inspection program because I am trying to get that fee
scheduled and everything done by the end of the year.
14:42:59 Gotcha. Okay. Well, that's that's good.
14:42:59 So the more time I have for that stuff, we can if we hit pause on the agriculture stuff. And you know, in the rest of the building coded option.
14:43:08 Which I don't know that that's really being challenged. It seems like this agriculture was just not something that I really foresaw being a sticking point on this one.
14:43:18 I mean, I know the changes are minor and they seem to me like they're just trying to facilitate implementation of the current practice is what how I interpret them but I do.
14:43:28 I mean, I really don't see a greenhouse in there and I think it should be so.
14:43:38 Okay. Yeah.
14:43:40 Yeah.
14:43:40 Right. Trying to. So good afternoon, commissioners.
14:43:46 Just listening on the conversation and I did have a conversation today with our prosecuting attorneys office staff and I guess just to step back I think you've already talked
about this but our main
14:43:59 Objective in bringing up the Title 15 sections that talk about our exemptions to building permits, especially with respect to agricultural buildings.
14:44:11 It's just to try to actually solve long-standing sort of confusion. Sort of confusion around what is what isn't what isn't an act building like we've had a brochure and despite
that we still end up getting into sort of debates I guess you could say with folks about that.
14:44:42 Okay.
14:44:25 And so we were looking for clarity and we thought that connecting with since we're about to adopt a new set of building codes or they're gonna go in effect next year but we're
gonna put in place that that provision our own code we thought it was an opportunity to to get closer to if not identical with state definitions, maybe what Phil and I can do this week,
together with prosecuting and turns offices just go back to those
14:44:48 definitions. Maybe there's confusion. Maybe we're picking the wrong one. I mean, I'm looking at one and the RCW right now it seems pretty straightforward.
14:44:56 Didn't even mention the water piece but film might educate me on why there's that reference or I know we've mentioned environmental health and how they look at water but maybe
we can come back to you just see if we can get some clarity might, Ones or what my gut tells me is that we'd like to align with.
14:45:11 With the definition rather than making one up ourselves even if it's even if it's a little bit better or what have you only because that then we're just sort of drifting away
from this standard that we're trying to set.
14:45:23 Now maybe we could clarify through the information that we provide in a reformed pamphlet that would talk about the issues that you want to talk about like greenhouses or whether
it's okay to have spigots versus some other kind of plumbing that would then make a trigger that that brings the health code into play.
14:45:39 So that's my thought about that. I also want to just have a quick thought just to expand on what Phil was saying about our appeals process.
14:45:45 So. There is an optional appeals process presented in one of the appendices of the building code that we're that we're going to dog like the state for the state's direction.
14:45:58 However, I think that's really for more perhaps. Larger jurisdictions with different with different.
14:46:04 Processes. As Phil mentioned, never really had an issue around appeals around a determination by the building official.
14:46:10 That language that we introduced in there, we went over that with the prosecuting attorney's office.
14:46:16 It's pretty typical code expression according to our attorney friends. But if for some reason there's you know, the idea of this exclusive discretion, if that's a phrase that,
isn't working for you.
14:46:26 Then I think we could find another one just building, you know, determination or something like that. But the I guess the practical reality is that the building code, the building
official makes judgment calls all the time and it's the discretion and the progress and that's why we hire that's what we have a building officials to make those kinds of calls.
14:46:41 For the code. And the administrator of the, of Title 15, just like the development code administrators for Title 18.
14:46:48 I guess I would say that is sort of the way it is. It's not that we don't listen to other people's perspectives, but at some point we have to make a decision.
14:46:55 And so we were getting to the debates about Ag buildings and we were finding that it wasn't a fruitful use of time.
14:46:59 And so that's why we we talked about that clause to make it clear that it's going to be the building officials call.
14:47:04 Now, someone could always take us to superior court. That's what happens with type one building permit decision.
14:47:09 So for example, we issue a building permit that's a type one decision. The the remedy for someone who's agreed by that is to file a superior court action We reserve the administrative
repeals function to go to the hearing zoomer for type 2 permits and above.
14:47:25 And so that's just the way it is in the development code right now. And so we'd like to, be nice to keep it that way.
14:47:32 And it feels like to make a whole new appeals process just for a sort of a pre building permit determination would be.
14:47:36 Would be a big change for us and I'm not sure what that would invite. So that's my like caution about changing that process or adopting a board of a complicated board of appeals.
14:47:45 Thanks.
14:47:45 Thanks, Josh. That's very clarifying. And I, mean, I agree, I understand exactly.
14:47:53 I think I might have had one of these arguments in the past about ag building. So I'm okay with that language, but delaying this until we can kind of refine that.
14:48:01 And what do you guys think about that when they Yeah. So we say keep this language that we're looking at.
14:48:10 Josh offered to come back with a new definition. Oh, we're looking at Josh offered to come back with a new definition.
14:48:17 Oh, wait, but no, he did actually recommend he is an option, but he did recommend it safer to Q to the state.
14:48:25 I get that. I mean. Me too, but I do. I mean, I just.
14:48:31 I don't know. Like. And I know that this has come up and I don't wanna use, I'm not gonna quite have any specific properties that this has been a challenge specifically with
greenhouse.
14:48:44 You know, a farmer legitimately thinking that a greenhouse was an agricultural building and having I'm not sure what it resulted in, but you know, basically being told they
had to go back and get a many years ago.
14:48:57 And you know, it's, when it's not, when our code isn't clear, it just leads to more problems.
14:49:03 And so I would much rather have the code be clear and not rely on interpretation by either the Yeah, landowner or, you know, makes it harder for the building official to, who,
you know, won't be filled forever.
14:49:21 And so. You know, someone else in the future to understand. That's, you know, that agriculture is not.
14:49:31 Yes, we're not in the 19 thirties. Not only livestock, right? Yeah, so I guess I'm hearing that we would like to see an alternate definition.
14:49:43 That is more inclusive of what agriculture looks like today. If possible, you know. Well, and that could be just tweaking a few words in this definition.
14:49:51 I don't know if you lose the value of. Consistency if you do change. But you know, even that.
14:49:59 Storage or cultivation. Thank you. I don't, yeah, it wouldn't be a lot of words difference.
14:50:11 And still have a some consistency, but I don't know if that's.
14:50:16 Are you guys okay with the, the, addition of the exclusive discretion as phrased down below?
14:50:28 Josh is putting some language in our chat. I think.
14:50:31 Yeah, I just put. Just an RCW definition, which I think is similar to a WACK definition I saw too for agricultural structure, but maybe Phil could educate us, including, or
at least me, on the difference between agricultural structure as defined in our the same RCW title that deals with building permits.
14:50:50 As the definition that we've proposed specifically for the exemption.
14:50:55 So this is.
14:50:55 I mean, this still doesn't been quick. I think it's the same one.
14:50:59 Same one.
14:51:01 Very similar. Yeah, it's very similar. Like there's no cultivation. I mean like greenhouses would not be inclusive in this definition either. Only for storing, right?
14:51:11 How's to house? Lauder cultural products, but that's not growing. Yeah.
14:51:15 In the same definition section at that RCW it has this but I think there's a specific reason why.
14:51:21 Maybe it.
14:51:22 Okay. Can we, can you share these, chats, with every10, can we, can you, share these, chat? Josh, can you share with everyone?
14:51:33 Yes. Okay.
14:51:34 So the I'm catching up on the last 3. You don't have to re share them.
14:51:40 Thank you.
14:51:43 So temporary, growing. Yeah, It's used for my plans for the, the Frost, and, increased heat, retention.
14:51:54 Is that all?
14:51:56 Okay. That covers most greenhouses. I mean, there's some that are rigid.
14:52:02 There's some that are glass. We're probably not bigger that big. I mean, you're probably not bigger that big.
14:52:14 I mean, then rigid is poly vinyl, isn't it?
14:52:16 Hmm. So would that be something we would add the temporary? Structure definition to the definition. I like the female definition actually that's shared right now.
14:52:32 What do you guys think about that? Much more inclusive.
14:52:40 Yeah. It doesn't include. Farm implements, which is Big part of what the Ag building is going to be used for.
14:52:51 But those are in. Production purposes in connection with production. I'm harvesting. Yeah.
14:53:04 Yeah, I like. Yes, does the FEMA definitions? So that's right, Josh.
14:53:11 The human, the human, the human. Oh, right. Preventing, yeah. Yeah.
14:53:21 Or, you know, public of incident, you know, like the Finn River was an example, you know, if you have and a farm tour being an exception, but if it's like designed for the public
to be using and there's health and safety.
14:53:37 And that's that's our planning department. Agreed.
14:53:40 I totally, I mean, just if you're asking me, I. Totally understand why I'm looking for a definition elsewhere would be tempting and maybe that's what we end up doing and which
is certainly your prerogative.
14:53:51 I just go back to. That we have an RCW in our state in the part that talks about building codes and it has the definition.
14:53:59 And so I just would tend to say that sticking closer to that is. Would be my preference.
14:54:09 Sharing all your search.
14:54:06 But it, you know, if you wanted us to. Interpret or somehow put a parenthetical expression that Does, designed to house horticultural products means a greenhouse that I can
see us coming in that direction.
14:54:21 Well, me, I'm really, I'm averse to, I think. Once bitten about doing this editing right now.
14:54:30 Can we ask that maybe we just, we table the definition itself and let Josh and Phil work with the prosecutor's office.
14:54:39 I think you guys understand. The limitations we see in the proposed definition.
14:54:45 And then come back next week and we can take care. I mean, really there's nothing this time critical since the adoption of the international building code and energy code has
been pushed to mark.
14:54:57 Right, I think Phil, I heard you talk about, you know, we're quite a sort of anxious to get the fire provisions in there, but I think another week isn't kind of this is gonna
stop us from progressing on that, right?
14:55:08 Yeah, no, that I I can swallow weep, that's alright.
14:55:12 Okay, so you could just wait for everything. But we can go, I mean, I don't have any, let's finish our conversations with the ag and continue to liberate about that and any
other changes that we'd like to see.
14:55:24 And then we'll. We can continue to give feedback directly to Phil and Josh in the interim, but.
14:55:31 I don't have any other feedback. What we just talked about. Kate, as I can see, still wants to get it right and right now.
14:55:47 Okay. You know, one of the other things that was brought up and I, see the value of it is the $3,000 you went from $1,500 to $3,000 and you know and it was suggested $10,000
which you know you can do a lot $10,000 too but you know not too much so I don't know are you how do you feel about that $3,000?
14:56:12 Could it go up to $5,000 and still kind of be a preventative from people going hogw or what do you think, Phil?
14:56:19 Well, $3,000 is in I could think about $5,000, but $3,000 is kind of a good cut off because at that point you're not doing any re roof activity that would require a permit or
you're not doing any HVAC.
14:56:34 Upgrades that would require a permit so it's kind of a good threshold. You know, there's there's a lot of things that I don't want to I don't want to jump the gun and allow
too many things to go on with the gun and allow too many things to go on without things that we have established processes and permits for.
14:56:53 So I don't want to have the the threshold too terribly high.
14:56:58 So that's where I, you know, previously was the 1,500. So I thought 3,000 was relatively generous and doubling what was existing.
14:57:06 So.
14:57:08 Yeah, I mean, there's like. What our code is and then what people actually come in to permit, right?
14:57:16 To say you wanna find that sweet spot where. Yeah, I don't know.
14:57:23 Okay.
14:57:21 Okay. I mean, how much is an H track? I mean. HVAC system is a lot more than $5,000 Hmm.
14:57:33 Typically, I mean, it depends on what you're doing. But yeah, you can, you can, they can start at around 5,000.
14:57:41 There's $45,000. If you're doing the work yourself, if you're just buying more of these units, online to do it yourself kits.
14:57:47 You can get them for sub $5,000.
14:57:50 What do you guys think about the $3,000 threshold staff has suggested? Feel like you can do anything for 3 it feels low to me, but, but there, but I get the rationale that.
14:58:12 No.
14:58:18 Thank you. Okay.
14:58:12 If there are activities that we would desire to have above the. Fail in terms of. Whereness and permitting then if they can cost less than $5,000 then.
14:58:28 That's not where we want to be. You could 12 5 K.
14:58:31 Okay. We're sorry to see you again.
14:58:35 Oh. Could you accept $5,000? Is that threshold?
14:58:40 I mean, or we can strike and go back to 1,500. I'm fine with that too.
14:58:49 Yeah.
14:58:58 Okay.
14:59:08 Not. Right.
14:58:43 Okay. Just wanted to make you too busy. Of what is minor.
14:59:19 Yeah. Okay.
14:59:24 Alright, what we're thinking.
14:59:26 Yeah.
14:59:31 I guess we're gonna come back. We don't have to make this decision now, but.
14:59:37 Okay.
14:59:38 Or is it like that no one? No. I mean, there's just loopholes all around this and we know that people will.
14:59:46 Drive a truck through. But, you know, like, are we actually going to get receipts?
14:59:56 Okay.
14:59:56 From a 12 month. And Thank you. Go ahead, Bill, sorry.
15:00:00 Well, And just for reference, there are other jurisdictions that do these in different ways. So one of the ways that like, KLs is still set at $1,500, which I believe this is
what I'm not sure which came first to chicken or they're given us us or clown that have this $1,500 limit.
15:00:22 That is In addition to the to the IBC. So this is something in addition to the international building code that allows a little bit more flexibility in these type of projects.
15:00:34 And so, $1,500 is still where Cloud is sitting. No other jurisdictions do it in different ways.
15:00:40 Like for example Kids Out County will exempt specific types of construction like reroofing projects that are less than 2,500 square feet so there's different ways to come across
this.
15:00:52 Each jurisdiction does it kind of on you know how they're managing on scale I believe is where they come up with a lot of these thresholds and things.
15:01:00 If the desire of the commissioners is to go to a higher dollar figure, then if that's where we want to go with it, that's okay.
15:01:08 I definitely wouldn't want to go with it. That's okay. I definitely wouldn't want to go.
15:01:10 Too incrementally higher than where we are. We could discuss a higher threshold if that's if that is one of the asks.
15:01:20 Thank you, Phil. I'm not super concerned about it just because I think this is impossible to import anyway.
15:01:28 Which, yeah, that makes me question about it just cause I think this is impossible to import anyway, which, yeah, that makes me question.
15:01:34 But I get what you say, though, you know, trying to have a Avenue. To provide an exception.
15:01:36 And allow for that. Yeah, that's handy work that we all have to do.
15:01:44 Yeah.
15:01:48 So it could. I don't have to start feeling about it. I don't have a strong feeling either.
15:01:54 I mean, I think people do. Projects in excess of the apps and don't even think that, oh, I should permit this.
15:02:01 You know, not trying to be oblivious to ignore it just or I. I know. So I mean, do we wanna right size to what people actually do and what is practicable?
15:02:14 And that's, I guess, I think that's the intention you're hearing from, us.
15:02:17 While acknowledging that, you know, probably even at the 5 K there could be people that are going to take advantage of it and you know and put a mini split in where they set
their house on fire or something.
15:02:29 And that's so I understand exactly what this is to prevent.
15:02:36 Okay. Anything else people want to bring up before we kind of choose a course of action, sounds like it's going to be.
15:02:44 Okay.
15:02:45 At least partially mitigated today. Looking for a new definition of agricultural, right? We already said that. Yeah.
15:02:57 But like commercial fire safety inspection program, any issues with this, section 5. No. Nope. Clear sailing, Phil.
15:03:05 Excellent, thank you.
15:03:06 Okay, we got hung up on greenhouse. Yeah. Okay, so no issues with that. So we could.
15:03:20 And we have a resolution for all this though, don't we? So it's probably easiest to just.
15:03:25 Bring back I think Josh said it would be okay to wait a week for the fire stuff so we could just rejigger the resolution to encompass all the changes.
15:03:37 Perfect.
15:03:39 And does anyone have any problem with the Adoption by reference of the, billing code and energy code.
15:03:46 No, no, I don't know. That's a big move though, isn't it?
15:03:51 It's big move. When it happens, big changes, but which the energy comes. But we have to do.
15:04:07 Right, this is funny that we're. No, you're just, you're nibbling around.
15:04:09 I should also know that I'm, I'm in the first day of the, Washington State Fire Marshals conference and, No, just holding the breath that the, market to date is gonna hold.
15:04:23 So, I mean, we'll see what happens. Okay.
15:04:22 So we might be looking for 24. I mean at a certain point that it would just kick to the 24 code which would come the following year right.
15:04:32 Correct. So that's what there's like I said, there's nobody holding the breath that this is actually gonna go through and in March so but that case in point I think is even
more important that that way we have the most accurate code references that we can if we adopt by if we adopt by
15:04:33 That's what they Okay.
15:04:57 Hey, other questions? Nope, no other questions. Concerns. Thanks for your work, Phil.
15:05:05 We really do appreciate it. My concern is that Phil isn't getting enough. Trust. We had a great time on the radio on Friday.
15:05:13 He was excellent. He's really fine. Any time I got I got an opening in a couple weeks.
15:05:16 So can I call you again?
15:05:16 Alright, there was a lot of funny and count me in. I'm ready.
15:05:20 Alright. Well, yeah, it's good. Good father to go complain to the fire marshals about commissioners now.
15:05:29 Make me go on the radio.
15:05:32 Okay. No, I definitely don't mind. Heidi, you and I were gonna go on at 1 point, Kimberly and they had the, the concerts in, so we had to.
15:05:42 I think we kept getting cancelled because of the concerts. Yeah. Yeah.
15:05:50 Well, so I guess maybe we are not gonna take action on this what we would. So we would keep the hearing open.
15:06:08 Yeah, so we just would ask for a new resolution to consider. So we just would ask for a new resolution to consider.
15:06:13 We'll do another gender request bill and then we'll they're on the agenda or Okay, so does, does that sound right, Phil?
15:06:23 Yep, fantastic. I understand I have my homework and, Josh and I will get together and we'll come back to you with some definitions.
15:06:29 Okay, so yeah, just to reiterate, go ahead. So it's a definition of, background building and the dollars for shoulder.
15:06:39 Yep, I'm well. I think we're interested in 5,000. See if you can get around that Phil, but I think that doesn't seem like a hill, any of us are really willing to die on.
15:06:47 So if 3,000 seems important to you for life and safety, bring it back and we'll consider that here.
15:06:53 Okay.
15:06:53 That's it. That's it. Go right the definition and that. I think Kate.
15:07:00 No, I'm good. I keep saying yes, I'm good. Yes. All right. Great.
15:07:05 Well, thanks, I'm sure you're probably missing something fun right now.
15:07:07 No, it's, it's just a break, but we're gonna go back in here in a little bit.
15:07:12 So yeah.
15:07:12 Okay, they're not over exceeding the fire safety for rooms or anything, are they?
15:07:21 Okay.
15:07:16 No, and I've never seen more folks walk around and check all of the exit signs and the fire extinguishers and you know it's a it's all getting a free the fire extinguishers
and you know it's a it's all getting a free inspection several times a day.
15:07:30 Imagine the facility the week before the building officials and provider inspector conference. To their building. It's like, oh my god. And everything.
15:07:38 Yeah. Cool.
15:07:38 Absolutely. The parking lot is quite impressive. There's a lot of fire vehicles here.
15:07:43 Okay, nice. Well, thanks for taking time out to return and Josh for your work on it as well.
15:07:50 So we'll let you go and we'll. I see you next week to wrap this up.
15:07:56 Alright, thank you, Kanna.
15:07:58 Excellent. Thank you very much.
15:08:00 Okay, so the hearing is closed and we will consider a new ordinance next week with the modifications we've discussed and we will return to our previous conversation.
15:08:12 And we do, we're gonna have to take at least a break at 3 30. For some hard, some hard schedules.
15:08:23 So take it away. Brett, where work? So we, just finished our discussion regarding the chip scoring criteria and now the description of the projects that are awarded in some
of the critical I think this really addresses.
15:08:43 What the scope of the project is that delivers to affordable housing. 25% are affordable.
15:08:51 25% of the, at 80% or less of the area. And that it connects waters, sewer, stormwater, also I would point out that we're labor and system relevant, so something that the is
working on.
15:09:12 And then the maximum award is 2 million, which is really given the fact that there's no magical fire that's bicycling.
15:09:21 Construction must start by December. Twentieth in city capital, and, the applications. Is that construction of housing or construction of the infrastructure?
15:09:35 I think it could be either, although I didn't ask that question specifically. I was, I sense that it could be either.
15:09:43 As long as the infrastructure is related to the housing. Okay. And then, I wanted to welcome, Mr. And, we are, we've had some discussions about, whether or not the old alcohol
plant.
15:10:12 Will mean, the material for considerations. I did speak with the group management, the division this, midday.
15:10:17 To get some clarity and I did get some clarity. And, so, we didn't really talk about so much this cost, but we did talk about readiness.
15:10:28 I wanted to all point out that we did address some of the other issues that ran this construction start by 2025 eligible expenses and I did talk with based on this morning because
I wanted to make sure that they're aware we can still put in an application.
15:10:47 If you're gonna have the, eligible expenses occur by June thirtieth, 2027.
15:10:54 Because the state at this point does think that it will be. The next buy ending. So can I just clarify on that?
15:11:05 Is that the first expenses need to be incurred or all the expenses need to be incurred by. 1030, 2027.
15:11:14 I. It must be all spending. Yeah, cause we, but I did ask that.
15:11:31 It's a question. I really, so, but I, that's, that's, the question, I, so, but I would assume that can be correct.
15:11:38 And then, I don't know if the cost of 5 million is actually in a technical memorandum of that was. Okay. And then, I wrote the cost of 5 million.
15:11:45 It's actually in, a technical memorand IT had identified it was 4.6. But this was done, 2022.
15:11:52 So, the price escalation, I'm sure it's at that point.
15:11:58 And then, I did, I mentioned earlier, thank you for clarifying you at the transportation stuff.
15:12:06 So it's a six-minute walk, the problems, 2 stops you see on the back there.
15:12:11 There is a question about, frequency. And if that is the high frequency that It's not.
15:12:21 Okay, before we go on to this slide, I just wanted to go back to the first one since we have an application here where we are right now.
15:12:30 Resting is that the direction of the board. The last meeting remains one change that we will go ahead and open up the application for Bayside.
15:12:45 And, And there are some questions that. Will necessarily be addressed in that application.
15:12:55 And it's my thinking that in the event that we're not. Ready if we are not gonna successful in this round.
15:13:03 I see us being ready in the next round. So I just think of us as being in the hopper.
15:13:12 For funding. We talked about the hadlock motel not this project last last time right? Oh yes we did talk about so this is the change and that's being requested okay of the conversations
I've had with the Bayside Housing, which owns both.
15:13:29 The hadlock hotel. And also, is managing the, old alcohol. And that was explained a little bit in the agenda.
15:13:40 This switch. Right. And so, and so based upon our discussion, and I just wanted to explain that to those members of public that may not have read the agenda request that we
are looking at the Port Hotel doesn't have a significant infrastructure.
15:13:59 So it's not really getting a lot of banks. And so what we were looking at is, well, what would serve the community the best?
15:14:07 In the old alcohol plant there were original renderings and designs that if they could be brushed off and used and they were created by a law people that looks like it was originally
worked on by of all people.
15:14:26 It's like it was originally worked on by, Regular planning, which was the city of Port Townsend's planning.
15:14:38 And so, so if there is a way that, these plans can be, Just like the super project.
15:14:40 It took 20 years to get. So we're going back into the business. And I would I think that the applicant is amenable to this.
15:14:49 If it's for pleasure that they can, address. You at this junction like the opportunity.
15:14:55 Oh, sure. Mike, you can come up and Jump on the mic if you if you have something to add.
15:15:01 Yeah. Yeah, how long you been back with the PAY SIDE? Thank you, thank you.
15:15:09 That's good to be back helping people and figuring out solutions to, you know. Our country's crisis.
15:15:16 So thank you for, you know. Providing the backing for the the, and being the applicant as well.
15:15:28 I don't know if you guys are. Going after $80 on the county level because you are also eligible to be an applicant.
15:15:34 Or this is not just the sponsor of it. But yeah, we're looking at.
15:15:39 And, the hubock motel It is pretty good as it is right now. The infrastructure of new housing.
15:15:50 So we currently are limited at the capacity at this point because we're still working on the rehabilitation and the transfer over.
15:15:59 Of that project. So it'd be looking at the whole alcohol plant in the facility down there.
15:16:07 And as Burn said, there's some renderings, additions that would happen, so it'd be new housing being built there.
15:16:13 And then that's super project coming down. I know in the preliminary. Renderings of the sewer project.
15:16:19 It was. 1 25 or 2 point. Oh, there was a sewer line that was running down that way.
15:16:26 So working with the county to figure out how that can be feasible. 5 million to bring it down there is obviously fairly expensive cost to bring the and with the copying at 2
million but also,'re looking at other infrastructure.
15:16:53 So the 5 million cost was just a connect to the board. And how much was the project?
15:17:01 We are still undergoing that. Given the scope as we're looking at. You know, somewhere between 60 and 100 150, depending on the capacity of the land that's down there.
15:17:21 Bobart figured for that, with today's cost, probably around 29, probably a little bit more because you know, the infrastructure that would have to be placed in for structural
analysis and under that parking or something.
15:17:34 We haven't really. Yeah, we have a couple of other projects there. Yeah. Oh yeah, I've given the time, 2,027 and like the construction survey, 2,025.
15:17:53 That gives us 2 years out to do some more planning and start research on it. And for the traditional funding for it, we could do it in a way that was.
15:18:02 Second, where we can build out. And Good. Do it chunk wise or.
15:18:09 Stage wise where we can build. One unit and then the next unit and those units comprise of.
15:18:15 Whatever, 30, 30, housing, and, we'd be looking at currently our thought process for it is looking at more seniors affordable housing for seniors in our community.
15:18:29 You realize like Jefferson County is whether or is the oldest county. In our state and then also.
15:18:39 Is the most expensive to live and as the reports just came off and So trying to help, and leave some of the pressure for the obstacles that is looking here.
15:18:49 Let me say seniors you're talking a particular AMI or? Yeah, a lot of our grants that we go after and look for, even, yeah, a lot of our grants that we go after and look for,
even, the chip grant.
15:19:00 It's 80% or below. I think it's 25% needs to be within that range.
15:19:13 Typically a lot of our projects are above and beyond that. A lot of the, that we go after anyway are usually I mean we're usually 30% below am I for most of the framework that
we're working on right now.
15:19:26 So we'd be placing into it. So this could get a little bit broader. So looking at other options and other populists.
15:19:33 We take a little bit further into. Evidence-based research evidence-based practices to see what our community and our accounting.
15:19:42 Okay, thanks. I mean this is always imagined to be the next extension of the sewer, right?
15:19:49 Phase by particle phase one a, you know, it's, so. Yeah, it's a logical next step.
15:19:57 Yeah. There's also a lot of houses down that way. So, I mean, if. If it comes up again and 26, I guess every day.
15:20:08 And 2,025. Ish. So looking at. I mean, it's just a little bit of a, so I don't know what new houses are down there, but I know that there is some development that's happening
on the south side.
15:20:28 Okay. Oh yeah, there is something going on there, but I don't know what it is.
15:20:33 But I think it was affordable housing. I mean, maybe there could be something along the county level to bring that that further down the road.
15:20:41 Okay. Thanks, Mike. And one of the things I would point out that, like, this more mentioning is that, if they're doing, 2, one of the aspects of it, 80% of those, you're supposed
to be, affordable.
15:21:08 So you can have 20% of the, affordable. So you can have 20% of the unit available to those community members that are agent now facing their homes in that area.
15:21:10 And so that would be encouraging for those residents that are butters to support the project. So I'm gonna move on to the next project.
15:21:20 And that was, the, emergency shelter. The ability of the project to. Really Right higher with others depends upon how much the cost per unit.
15:21:44 But I think that we can be, because we're getting a lot of bench for the buck to some of the surge capacity.
15:21:52 It's through so much a continuum care event provided through this project. So I think that if that's a put into the application, another aspect, He says high cost compared to
other applications, low cost.
15:22:09 I don't understand what you're also that is going back to your. . That development charges right so what we're looking at is a lower score if it's a high cost compared to other
applications.
15:22:29 It's a high cost compared to other applications. It's a higher score if it's a low cost, and if it's a high cost compared to other, applications.
15:22:34 It's a higher score if it's a low cost
15:22:34 And, yeah, what are some of the other questions? And so one of them is the extension of infrastructure outside of new GAs.
15:22:42 Wow and so do you have one alternative approach? That I would recommend we investigate. And that is the SD.
15:22:55 55 93 in UGA swap. I chose this one. And in the report, I did indicate that the concern I originally had is the what we call the critical aquifer recharge area which shows up
on this screen is car.
15:23:11 And so, but it isn't one of those critical apples for recharger. It's just susceptible.
15:23:18 So it's not one of those that I did. I identify that gender request because I would have a prohibition.
15:23:24 So the question is, as indicated there, below housing, not a list of high impact activity.
15:23:33 So that's a good thing. Then the other question is really It's gonna really to a large extent depend on the willingness of our partner in the city of this.
15:23:44 Because the UGA swap is something that would they would initiate that it's a swap of jurisdiction boundaries.
15:23:56 They may have some. Prohibitions. And the comprehensive plan for the city that I don't know yet.
15:24:07 So this is the area next exploration. I think it's important that we look at this because If in fact the recomplete grant is successful, we'll be making many steps in that direction
anyway.
15:24:21 Yeah, even the planning grant is the point of it is to explore that. And there's a couple of ways of expanding the urban growth area.
15:24:28 Doesn't have to be a swap. But yes, I think they are willing to have a conversation.
15:24:32 I'd love to have a participate with you in that conversation. Very good, very good. I think that just based on my conversation with the, manager, we should do this as soon as
possible. Okay.
15:24:45 And just, they seem to suggest that. Some concern about its location outside. The official battery.
15:24:55 And so I'd like to be able to add them if that becomes the one. Okay. And then, other options are, and I was concerned here about if the county were to go ahead with a broader
expansion.
15:25:16 Of the urban growth area. To, that the timeline is too far out. For us really to consider that for this.
15:25:24 So I was trying to find something that would be a stop camp faster. And so that's why I looked at this.
15:25:35 Okay.
15:25:40 So, you're. Recommendation is to pursue both of these. I see yes, keep going.
15:25:49 I have opened up the grant application. Only cap is working on theirs. And I will open up an application, for a subrecipient function, GEE, on Bayside Housing.
15:26:01 Yeah, Kate did have to go to her rescheduled meeting. Just missed the conversation to now.
15:26:08 We can just decide whether we're gonna have to. Yeah, yeah. I mean, we've been a lot of conversations about these projects.
15:26:19 Further research and you know Yeah, every day brings some information to the table. So I can't imagine this is the end of that journey we're on together, but.
15:26:28 Both important projects. Absolutely. Find a way to get a sewer down the old alcohol plant in the area around there.
15:26:36 Sounds really exciting. What's the, I mean, 2 million dollars wouldn't cover it, right?
15:26:40 So what's what would be what other funding sources are you thinking about to help us pay for that infrastructure, you know, outside?
15:26:47 I mean, it's really, kinda be good on us, right? Well, I always typically look at what's coming up in terms of large resources.
15:26:56 And one of the large resources that I do see there is a female brand. I don't know what the fire.
15:27:06 Papacity or fire service needs. But it would be good to have a conversation with Chief Black.
15:27:07 That might be an opportunity. There are others that just identify those that are immediately available. I mean, talking with public works, I know they've talked about.
15:27:18 If there is enough money in the sewer budget, that's why this was always called phase one A, right?
15:27:24 So checking in with Bob and Sam again. Yes, and if it's so, the board, I would like to have a follow up meeting like we had last time and I know Commissioner Eisenhower this
is your district.
15:27:41 Yeah, we are seeing some escalation in the cost of We were, you know, initial bids came in low, but you know, when they found the concrete.
15:27:54 In the, field that was a cost. We'll continue to see those changes. If money allows always has been the phrase, right?
15:28:11 That'd be easy to. Okay, great. Well, it says potential action, but really you don't need any action from us except, you know, yeah, these adjustments look reasonable.
15:28:23 To carry on. Very good. We will do that. Thank you.
15:28:29 Okay. Right. Alright, thanks a lot, Brand. Thank you, gentlemen, for showing up.
15:28:35 Hopefully let's fingers crossed. If that's sewer down the water. That'd be good.
15:28:44 Yeah. All right, well, I believe that takes us to the end of our agenda. I think Kate's gone for the foreseeable, feature half hour or so.
15:28:58 I can, I've got another meeting at 3 30 as well. So anything, yeah, anything for the good of the order? Motion to adjourn.
15:29:05 No motion needed. I'll do it. We're adjourned. We'll see everyone next week.
15:29:08 Have a great evening.