HomeMy WebLinkAboutclosed_caption09:02:12 Nice. It's like we're ready to go. Oh, they capture functioning even? Yeah.
09:02:18 Alright. Good morning, everyone. I will call this October 20 third of the board of county commissioners to order.
09:02:34 With, with the heavy heart and, you know, before we go to public comment, I just want to.
09:02:41 Acknowledged, maybe take a moment of silence for. Chris, go ahead. Who has, we've heard is, passed away is.
09:02:55 The best of us and taken too soon and I think no jokes for me today. We are all heartbroken, I think.
09:03:04 I am heartbroken. I would move that the, that we lower the flag to half staff for this week and we're.
09:03:14 Going to have a celebration of life. With the county family to, celebrate.
09:03:23 His passing to help celebrate his life and, I guess I would make the motion and we'll get a proclamation to honor him as well and.
09:03:37 Okay. And I don't think we need a proclamation to recognize this tragedy and I don't think we need a proclamation to, recognize this tragedy. No.
09:03:47 I proclaim That enough? Yeah, that's enough. I mean, I guess. Okay.
09:03:52 Let's take the formal action though. So I made a motion. A second. Yeah, so the proclamation, recommended today through next Monday.
09:04:09 I think that's, We, I mean, I kinda wanna look at. Take some time with proclamation.
09:04:20 Maybe we can, Proclamation next Monday, next Monday, next Monday.
09:04:32 Take some time to review it. We can take some time to review it and bring it back after lunch.
09:04:36 So that your motion was to lower the flag to lower the flag until next Monday. And it's been seconded.
09:04:47 All in favor? Bye. And now maybe can we have a Well, first of all, I'll ask my seat mates if they have anything they'd like to add before we take a minute of sounds.
09:05:06 Yeah, I'll just say Chris was an incredible bright star. He, came in to the county almost a year ago.
09:05:17 And just brought a ton of energy. And. We're all very excited to have him here.
09:05:27 You know, just having somebody young and dynamic and bringing fresh perspective who loved this place who so desperately wanted to be here in Jefferson County.
09:05:39 It's contagious and quickly, very quickly, from co-worker, status to friend status.
09:05:48 As. And it's just so hard to reconcile how somebody so young, so bright. So vibrant can be gone.
09:06:00 I will miss him terribly and I, and just grieving. Deeply for his family and his husband.
09:06:08 Okay, awesome. Yeah, and I would I would just add that.
09:06:17 I really haven't slept very much in the last 2 weeks thinking about Chris. I was on his hiring team.
09:06:23 I was so excited. Have them on the county team. He, he significantly contributed the key projects. And I worked alongside them on a number of those community wildfire protection
planning, the strategic planning process, and it was when we would get stuck on those processes that Chris would show up and Shine.
09:06:46 And. The people he pulled together for the advisory committee of the community wildfire protection planning process he reached out to agency partners across the Olympic Peninsula.
09:06:57 Found the best resources. To help craft a really good plan for Jefferson County. And He just showed up in that way every time we asked him to.
09:07:07 And. I'm devastated. And so, I feel a little bit.
09:07:18 Incapable of doing my job today. But I'll sit here with you guys. I'm sorry, the county world.
09:07:28 You know, I mean, I woke up this morning feeling really. Frustrated with the role we have of trying to.
09:07:35 You know, sometimes hold things together. I really don't feel like I can right now. I also considered him a friend and I valued his.
09:07:47 Every perspective he came from and I told him in our last conversation that I really, he would come back to the county family and I saw him as the future of our county.
09:07:58 And, anyway, just devastated. Completely devastated.
09:08:06 Okay. Let's take a moment of science to a minute of science to honor our friends and our team mate this point.
09:09:16 Okay.
09:09:23 Yeah, as He said is. You might not get the best of us today. But we will do our best soldier on.
09:09:31 So. We're open. For public comments.
09:09:39 Anyone in the room like to make public comment?
09:09:43 Thank you. I've been here too. It's kind of amazing.
09:10:01 Go ahead. Okay, yes. So, I passed my day. I heard city council deliberations about joint county project too.
09:10:09 No, the bigger product center in Port Townsend. And I feel like this is an open. If it goes to, I think it might make There's so much stronger the project, but I'm gonna try
to touch on some of the points in 3Â min.
09:10:26 Same priority, that bill should be infrastructure infrastructure, infrastructure and infrastructure. We have critical needs for roads repairs, sewers, and potential waterline
repair.
09:10:35 We're back to 40 years catching up on the road repairs, even as the point 3% TBD text goes through.
09:10:43 Yeah, meanwhile, council was kind of planning going even. Deeper into that, creating a fantasy part that doesn't pencil out on any level is it guaranteed every year money loser
far more than the quarter 33,000 per year projected.
09:10:58 Unless revenue somehow magically grow by 8 times. Massive debt servicing and likely cost over until not accounted for all of which could be better used for infrastructure.
09:11:09 The city is wasted half a million dollars out of touch out of town architects and consultants the management event.
09:11:15 Instead of ad directly gauging, actual public will and ultimate prospects. Nick, like, can possibly use the local talent to, you know, pass the existing.
09:11:25 Facility up or to replace it on a more economical basis. The project is fantastic with Mission Peak to include unnecessary yoga, gyms, meeting rooms, etc, to be all things for
all people.
09:11:36 All of which compete with existing private health facilities. If the goal is to enable perhaps lower income folks to have access to health facilities swimming facility.
09:11:50 To these existing facilities would be more economical. It's dinosaur sized, tail white in the dog project is all to service the native.
09:11:55 Just have 212 swimmers per month to use the pool of 2012. The plan is to inevitably voice the cost larger than the rest of the county.
09:12:02 And that's the reason why I'm saying this to you. Most of whom can't and won't want to track the portasms for a city full.
09:12:09 This is unfair to county non-users as well as the locals that have been excluded or not feeling welcome due to WMT management issues.
09:12:17 And I wrote an article about that. Aside from the, suitability, for their jobs managers, it's a, BOGGUS, the current consultant budget is, it doesn't need to contain any line
items for operational management costs, just saying the city will manage it for free.
09:12:32 Why is currently paid 50,000 a year at a manage existing facility and probably should be twice that for an expanded one.
09:12:39 So that's added another 100,000 to the already. Huge cost over I'm sorry operational cost losses every year.
09:12:49 So if this plan is set to voters, will they approve it? And it's hard to see many county voters going for this point 2% sales tax increase.
09:12:53 It's not going to help them. And the city voters would have it on top of a point flying.
09:12:58 So just wrap it up. I just ask you to, Send it back to the city where it belongs, and they can make unrealistic plans, Anyway, thank you very much.
09:13:10 Thank you for your comment, Okay, anyone else in the room that would like to make public comment today?
09:13:20 Okay. Anyone else online? You can hit star 9 or if you're on a phone or hit start with the raise hand button if you're on zoom.
09:13:32 And we'd love to hear from you.
09:13:40 Alright. Will keep public, common open until 9 30 as is our custom and if you are moved to make a couple comment you can hit.
09:13:53 The raise hand button or star 9 if you're on the phone. I do see we have Rafael with us.
09:14:02 Yes, we can. We do we have a time for our pro? Maybe we can take a look at the.
09:14:12 Sorry, that George came here. Yeah. Bye, George. How are you, George?
09:14:22 We'll work out it. Technology is failing as we love you, George. Thank you. Good to see you.
09:14:30 Alright, we have a robust consent agenda today. Thank you, Mr. Schumacher.
09:14:42 Let's see. Okay, I'll try and be brief and I've. Attended Mr. Santino's an editorial session in posting last week, which, was not called information session.
09:15:00 Invited and included But I certainly had an opportunity to hear many of the criticisms of the project and I, I, this isn't the appropriate forum to debate those.
09:15:14 I do think we probably need to, at some point to help the public, wade through the hundreds of pages of information.
09:15:23 Just a couple, of points. Want to clarify,
09:15:29 Trying to stay high level here to not get bogged down in the weeds. The performer is continually being refined.
09:15:35 For example, the steering committee decided last week that they will recommend that the IMCA be the operator which has been up in the air kind of unknown until now.
09:15:49 But that is the direction that they plan to move forward with formally. The performance is based on the Y and C as numbers from Squim, which they anticipate would be a good,
corollary or our credit center.
09:16:04 So, That's what the numbers are based on. And again, like I said, continually being updated, but.
09:16:11 Cost of borrowing money continues to increase and that's that does present a real challenge. And we're taking a close look at that.
09:16:20 Nobody wants to. Push something ahead that is not gonna work and it's gonna be a failure. So there's a lot of due diligence going on.
09:16:27 To ensure if we're going to go to the voters that we are offering them a package that, that works and makes sense.
09:16:34 Goal is to have a public pool and It's interesting that the push back and feedback that that is something extraordinary and luxurious when many, many communities around the
United States have them.
09:16:52 And it required somebody to invest in them at some point and whenever that was it seemed really expensive but the public said no this is worth it this is how we build our infrastructure
we all chip in a little bit of money.
09:17:02 In this case, 10 to $40 per year per person, which I know hurts some people more than others and we have to acknowledge that.
09:17:09 But we also have to make sure that the benefit can be appreciated by all. People and I the wives is really committed to that to making it affordable.
09:17:20 I am of the, the demographic that has seen a lot of people choose to leave this community because they are not amenities for young families.
09:17:29 And that's the reality of living in a community that chooses not to invest in in resources for all people.
09:17:37 So obviously I am supportive of this project. We have not decided whether we report it on the ballot and I don't speak for the whole board when I express my support.
09:17:49 But I, it's the kind of world I want to live in is one where we are continually investing, even if we don't get to necessarily see the benefits of it.
09:18:00 Although I will say this is not a facility just for young families. There are many of the users that are currently are, are older folks.
09:18:08 So. One of the unique things about this project, which has the ability to benefit many. So certainly heard that. That's the ability to benefit many. So certainly we're in that.
09:18:19 Yeah, that they feel it's too far away that they will not take advantage of it.
09:18:21 So the benefit feels very, that they will not take advantage of it. So the benefit feels very, minimal to them, which, you know, it feels very, minimal to them, which, you know,
that's something we'll have an opportunity to, talk That's all for now.
09:18:32 Thanks Kate. Well, I mean, I've had questions over the last month about this Aquatic Center and have said that I think that I've seen a lot of amenities that would be normally
attractive to kids and younger people.
09:18:47 The community disappear in my lifetime here. So. And that sense I'm super supportive of. And thenities for families and young people in our community.
09:18:56 I also have heard a lot of folks come in here asking put saying things like put it to a vote of the people.
09:19:02 Let the people vote. Well, that would happen with this project. So it would be up to the people of the county.
09:19:09 Who would be the one splitting the bill. To say yes or no and I think that that is a good thing to do to allow the folks of our community.
09:19:18 A voice in this. I also know a lot of older folks who would. Love to have a pool.
09:19:27 For their health reasons and I think that you know we're but the oldest are we the oldest. County in the state and one of the oldest in the country, I believe.
09:19:40 So I mean, I feel like. My elders deserve. A place where they can take care of their bodies.
09:19:46 So I mean, and I'm heartened with the Y.M.C.A. stepping forward. I feel like they're really community focused entity.
09:19:55 So. I mean. Let it.
09:20:04 Thanks. I, I think that investing in our future is worthwhile. I think a pool would be a new pool is kind of.
09:20:13 The kind of investment in our future as Commissioner Jane said that is just You know, you've got to invest in the community that you want to live in.
09:20:22 I tend to agree that this funding model is not equitable and that it's. I would much prefer start with an MPD.
09:20:32 I think I've said that before and we'll probably say it again as we go through it and I think it would be more palatable to the voters.
09:20:38 In the county to come in after, you know, an MPD and I think that might allay some of the city's concerns about.
09:20:46 Authority and everything if we recognize that so you know that's where we'll talk more about it and You know, I, it definitely, regardless of the funding mechanism, it will
go to a vote of the people and the group of people is I would say.
09:21:03 Yet to be determined and you know. So, yeah, we'll, talk about it more.
09:21:28 Appreciate people, you know, thinking about it, you know. We should have gotten 35 people to our community conversation meeting where we had all of our elected leaders down
at quilting but you know such is life.
09:21:42 So. Good morning, Mr. Trish. You have 3Â min.
09:21:47 Good morning commissioners since the subject came up. A little more factual information for those listening about. The prospects for this aquatic facility.
09:21:58 It's not just the $40 a year of course because the the thing that's necessary to fund this according to the study is not just a sales tax, it's a public facilities district.
09:22:11 And that's countywide. So you've got everybody in Jefferson County paying higher sales taxes and paying.
09:22:16 To support this public facilities district. And not mentioned at all in any of the discussions that I've heard.
09:22:25 Is the fact that a public facilities district, which is an independent government agency, wants it's created.
09:22:30 Has the authority to levy to, sorry, to borrow money to issue councilmatic debt without any vote of the people.
09:22:39 And up to 40 plus 1 million dollars of debt without any vote. And that debt, of course, would then fall back to the county in the event of a failure of the facility to to pay
its pay its bills.
09:22:53 So I think that's something people need to keep in mind that we're creating yet another governmental entity that's going to have taxing authority.
09:23:02 And of course, you know, as soon as they get into trouble financially and can't fund what they're currently required to operate, they'll go to the people and say, oh, sorry,
we need to raise property taxes again to fund this.
09:23:13 Cause of course they can't realise, raise sales taxes any more than the statutory amount. But they can ask for property tax increases.
09:23:21 And so here we go again, you know, 50% of the people say, oh yeah, sure.
09:23:24 We'll pay our taxes. And of course, the people on the west end of Jefferson County say, what?
09:23:29 So, yeah, there's a whole issue of inequity and who's paying for the facility that's actually going to use the facility.
09:23:38 I think those are all reasonable questions, valid concerns. And I just see this thing as a loser.
09:23:44 The thing that we haven't heard yet from the city and they're working on it is their estimate, their formal estimate of what it's going to take to rehabilitate the current facility.
09:23:53 Because that cost has got to be less than 40 million dollars to keep that that current facility running. Completely rehab for the next 2025 years.
09:24:03 I think that's a much more likely alternative that probably could be supported and actually probably could and should be paid for by the people of Port Townsend and not anywhere
outside the city limits.
09:24:15 But we shall see what we shall see. Also glad to hear on the agenda glad to see on the agenda that we've got a slightly revised version of the building code modifications.
09:24:26 I sent in a bunch of emails on this. I hope you've all read them because I think I've raised some questions that haven't been addressed like why do you need a permit for something
just because it costs money?
09:24:35 You really only need a permit. For something if there is a safety issue involved or a construction quality issue involved.
09:24:43 Just because I want to put in the $3,000 patio door doesn't mean I need building permit for it.
09:24:49 That's the illogic of what's being proposed, just some of the logic. There's a lot more.
09:24:56 And I guess my time's up. Just some of the logic. There's a lot more. And I guess my time's up. So thank you very much.
09:24:59 Thank you, Mr. Chair. As a reminder, people will be continuing our deliberations on the building.
09:25:04 Code that Mr. Cheers is referring to at 1 30 this afternoon. Any further response to Mr. Tishes at the comment?
09:25:15 Maybe I'll just reiterate, in a different context, what I was saying earlier about, you know, that these are types of amenities and aquatic center is something many communities
have.
09:25:25 I'll just add to that by saying. The type of death structure that we're talking about here is also how local governments build infrastructure all the time and that is.
09:25:35 Our schools, our libraries. Yeah, we have mechanisms to publicly finance things and it, but it requires making that investment and people today agreeing to pay for something
for 2025, 30 years.
09:25:53 Down the road. It's the only way to be able to support them. For Tadlocks, they were being the exception and that took 20 years to get the and up grant funding and it took some
debt too.
09:26:03 Which we have been paying up for many years. It is how things are built. It is how we are able to provide infrastructure to the public.
09:26:13 Yeah, then we will have an analysis, in 2 or 3 weeks. I think it's the expectation on the, .
09:26:22 Yes, for a cost, probably could continue to keep something that is extremely unsafe. Going.
09:26:32 It probably could continue to keep something that is extremely unsafe, going. I think that's often called throwing good money after bad.
09:26:34 And some I can't speak to it. I do know that, you know, for example, the pipes are so corroded underneath the pool that it can't be pumped out.
09:26:43 No employees are allowed to go underneath the pool anymore to maintain it because it's so dangerous. So I, you know, I will see what the engineers estimate says, but, there's
Not a lot of.
09:26:56 Appetite in the city to. Take public dollars and, you know, basically throw it away in form of, humbling infrastructure.
09:27:07 And then I guess just the last point I wanna make is that, you know, like so many things.
09:27:12 Like the library, like the hospital. We have regional centers where services are provided where people come from rural areas, people who choose to live outside of service centers
come into regional service centers to.
09:27:29 Meet any number of needs, grocery shopping, you name it. So yes. Pools are regional.
09:27:37 Well, they're not rounds in every neighborhood. They are regional. It would have a draw.
09:27:40 I lived in Close. Trying to teach my kid how to swim. We had to drive to Bainbridge.
09:27:44 We had to drive to swim. We had to drive to Port Townsend. It's what you do.
09:27:49 It's also how you go to the doctor. It's also how you go to the you know, to pretend like.
09:27:55 All services are made available in every part of the county is, disingenuous. I'll just add on the driving to the pool thing.
09:28:04 All my friends and family drive to the pools in our region. All the time. I have some serious swimmers in my family and.
09:28:13 They're always in their cars driving the pool, which I think is a little muddy, but they think it's just, you know, necessary.
09:28:21 So. We got our daughter to swim in the lake, but you know. They're actually exclusive.
09:28:29 Can I just say my son was in like every day of his early years. Not, Okay, well more to come on that for sure and I did read Mr. Cheers's notice.
09:28:44 Appreciate the consideration. We had some other additional notes about those codes. So I appreciate people paying attention and giving their input and feedback.
09:28:52 I make a last call for public comment. Anyone else with us online that would like to make a couple of comments?
09:28:58 We'd love to hear from you. You can hit the raise hand button. It's fine if you're on the phone.
09:29:10 And. Well, why don't we, Mr. Kia over and we are at 9 30 so before we consider the consent agenda we will take a look at our proclamation for Pro bono lawyers We, And Rafael,
wondering if anyone else should.
09:29:37 Come over with you today.
09:29:49 No, at least just me. Thank you.
09:29:46 Good morning. Is there anyone else that we should bring over this morning? Pro bono. Okay, great.
09:29:54 Well, as is our custom, we will, dig in and read the proclamation and adopt it and then we will pass the mic over to you to say some words.
09:30:06 Alright, our folks. Right. Got it up.
09:30:16 Yeah, we haven't looked at consent. Yeah, we got we got tied up in public comments.
09:30:23 So we'll come back to consent yet we got we got tied up in public comments so we'll come back to consent after this.
09:30:27 Let's do it. Alphabetically by last name today. So I guess that's me.
09:30:36 Alright, a proclamation for pro bono law week, whereas our justice system was founded on the fundamental principles of equity and fairness for all and pro bono services grant
individuals access to legal representation regardless of their means and Whereas many Washington residents face urgent civil legal issues each year, including issues related to healthcare,
consumer and financial services, domestic violence, divorce, child custody, foreclosure, eviction, and abuse, but few receive
09:31:08 legal assistance and Whereas access to legal systems can improve economic security and personal safety, protect civil liberties and lead to a more just society and whereas legal
service agencies pro bonus service programs, law schools, the American Bar Association, the Washington State Bar Association, the Jefferson County Bar Association, and private firms
throughout the state have enlisted the services of volunteer attorneys to address the legal needs of low-income people and Whereas all attorneys licensed in
09:31:37 Washington state are encouraged to provide at least 30Â h of free legal services annually to those on able to obtain legal Whereas in 2022 volunteer attorneys in Washington
state provided legal help to over 20,000 individuals and families.
09:31:54 Volunteer attorneys with Clanon Jefferson County pro bono lawyers provided over 700Â h of service. Now they're for be it resolved that we the Jefferson County Commissioners
proclaimed the week of October 20 third, 2,023 as pro bono law week in Jefferson County to honor and thank the attorneys who volunteer their time and expertise to provide legal services
to those in need.
09:32:16 Proclaimed this 20 third day of October, 2,023. Okay, I'm going to approve the proclamation as red.
09:32:24 I'll second. Alright, it's been moved and seconded to approve the proclamation is read.
09:32:30 All in favor indicate by saying aye. Aye. Aye. All right, Tia, thank you very much for being here and for the services you provide for those marginalized, neighbors of ours,
please.
09:32:42 Would you like to say a few words?
09:32:43 Yes, Mr. Brooklyn, as always it's an honor and privilege to be in front of the commissioners today.
09:32:50 It's also an honor and privilege to be on the Jefferson County Pro Voto Board, which I've been on now for a few years and I've now been accepting this proclamation now for a
few years as well.
09:33:01 First, I just really want to say I'm so sorry about Chris Boy. And it's a horrible tragedy, as you said.
09:33:09 And, and I can't imagine being in his family's shoes or even in your shoes. I think you for your service.
09:33:16 Is sitting here and all issues are important but certainly I mean, his death certainly pushed things into perspective. So I can't imagine being in your students and having to
be the head of this meeting and listen to everything when, you know, there's certainly some things are more important than everything.
09:33:34 So thank thank you for your service. I don't think you could think. And enough. Like the proclamation said, there's still a great need for free legal services or pro bono services
in Washington state over 70% of low income people face at least one legal issue every year.
09:33:53 These legal issues, as you said, your proclamation are very serious legal issues and in quite frankly you need to have an attorney helping you otherwise you're just not gonna
be able to figure it out.
09:34:04 But unfortunately, over approximately 80% of those people facing legal issues. Don't have an attorney. So like I said, it's an honor and privilege to be a lawyer to be on the
pro bottle.
09:34:16 Board. Last year we donated brought to me a thousand hours. Approximately, I think, 48 to 50 attorneys in both Jefferson.
09:34:26 And in column helped with pro bono services we raised almost 25 to $27,000. For our Pro Bowo services here in both Jefferson and in Calm County.
09:34:38 Well, I mean, there's certainly a great need for a pro services that needs not going away.
09:34:46 At least there's so many attorneys both in Jefferson and in column who are doing their best to help.
09:34:52 So. Thank you for the proclamation. Once again, my heart goes out to you and, Mr. Goy, and once again, my heart goes out to you, Mr. Goy, and in his family.
09:34:59 Thank you.
09:35:01 Thank you very much, Rafael. Yeah, no, it's pro bono services are the kind of thing that.
09:35:10 Yeah, really it's kind of part of that social fabric that holds our floor up. So I really appreciate that thousands of hours that go to supporting those marginalized populations.
09:35:22 I honestly can't imagine where we would be without your, you're in your colleague's service.
09:35:28 . I mean the people who don't have access to representation are the very people who often need it the most.
09:35:36 And Super grateful for your leadership and generosity.
09:35:43 Thank you, that means lots of pain.
09:35:45 And I'll just say Rafael, I think this is the seventh year that you and I have done this.
09:35:51 Yeah.
09:35:53 And, and this would acknowledge too what a, What I like tragic cascade of events often people in these really vulnerable positions and and we, see when people are suffering
just the, you know, what, might start as a divorce becomes an eviction.
09:36:17 Becomes inability to pay off debts. You know, I mean, it's just this terrible cascade that If you can intervene and stop that process.
09:36:26 You, you can really reduce harm further down the line. And I think that's the work that you try and do.
09:36:32 And This really appreciate that. That you and your colleagues are there doing that work and.
09:36:40 You know, would love to know how the county can help partner and support and make the system a little friendlier for.
09:36:49 People who are getting this cascade that you know just can lead to really terrible outcomes for them and you know and then we see for families and that has a multi-generational
aspect.
09:37:02 We, witness you're in the courthouse every day. So thank you.
09:37:08 Thank you, Miss Dean.
09:37:10 Yeah. I mean, we put nearly a million dollars into indigent defense every year. For, you know, criminal offenses and it seems like the pro bono.
09:37:21 Lawyers put the same amount into into civil defense as well. And that's, that's critical.
09:37:29 And we couldn't, bolster that. So really appreciate all your service.
09:37:32 You're very welcome. And like I said, I, we look forward to providing more. Services in the future and I'll definitely maybe contacting the county soon and about how you may
be able to help us provide more services for people because like you said these are just small lee issues this is your house or your children or domestic violence or your VA benefits
or disability benefits.
09:37:54 So these are some of the most important. Benefits that we can provide for anyone and and so we just want to you know.
09:38:01 Let people have more access to what they should have. No matter what. So thank you.
09:38:08 Thank you very much.
09:38:11 Okay. Back to the consent agenda. You'll get assigned copy of the proclamation or the Pro Bowl new lawyers.
09:38:23 Sorry, this was the clown Jefferson County for Bono Warriors. Do you wanna, you know, recognize this as a 2 county organization.
09:38:31 Hmm. Pretty big consent agenda. This week, any questions or comments? Item 7 through 19 or all the LTAC.
09:38:45 Contract agreements and you know, I'll recognize that we were. We weren't able to fund anybody so they're complete.
09:38:54 Request this year because of a lower amount of available. Grant dollars. And yeah, I mentioned it before, but I would love to get a workshop on the agenda.
09:39:07 And with all 3 of us to talk about how we do. Our grant making processes, all of them in the county and just.
09:39:13 Kind of review what we do and make sure that we're being as transparent and consistent as possible across all of our processes.
09:39:23 Cause I think we could probably make. This work, which is significant, more efficient for, and more transparent for the entities that are applying for funds, whether it be for
housing or public infrastructure or behavioral of any of these.
09:39:40 I know there's been some issues with. You know, the changes to the Open Public Meeting Fact and the meetings around.
09:39:47 Some of these committees that give these funds so just a review of everything seems in order to me. Yeah, with kind of the administrative support from the different funding.
09:39:58 I think that would be really helpful because I do I mean like these the ones that are, should be budgeted, should be budgeted.
09:40:07 Just, I think it makes a lot of sense. In each is there has different statutes. Considerable variation.
09:40:16 It could be a different one of us sitting on committees and doing things very differently. And it could be something that we wouldn't even think of, in doing things very differently.
09:40:28 And it could be something that we wouldn't even think of that maybe you guys are doing better on having fun board or we're doing better on LTE or whatever, but we can really
benefit from each other's experience and collective kind of plan for how we get funds out to the community and make sure that.
09:40:40 All the eligible entities are. You know, aware of the funding that's available. No, I agree.
09:40:45 We'll see how the schedule goes the end of this year. Beginning. First quarter next year. I did have one question about the LTAC grants all of the scope of services for the
contracts.
09:40:57 Reference the full request as far as I was I could tell. And then if it was partial funding, you know, but like.
09:41:05 Many of them identified different things that they would spend money. Did you? Do you delineate which of the items you were funding or is it we know you need to do all this
this stuff and so any of those things would be contractually permitted under.
09:41:27 In most cases it was the latter because the increment of funding less than what they requested wasn't significant where it was significant we would we indicated like in the
instance of the
09:41:40 Hmm, let's see.
09:41:45 The Jefferson County Chamber of Commerce. Right, like there's that map every year, right?
09:41:56 Yeah, so we opted to just fund the printing of the map. But in most cases we just gave them a portion of the funding that they requested.
09:42:07 But then the, contract doesn't say that. Alright, maybe talks about the second map and the.
09:42:15 That their grant request. Yeah, I think all the contracts just have the The original request. So, yeah, You know, I mean, maybe they're gonna complete everything anyways, or
maybe they don't do the second map with the fair routes.
09:42:45 And I, I don't know. I just,
09:42:50 Yeah, like you hold them to completing all of those tasks with less funding. No, just the printing of the first.
09:43:02 I gotta do all this, right? I mean. Yeah, how a contract is.
09:43:07 Well, we should, that's part of maybe what we need to review. Got it was just their original grant application that was included as part of the contract.
09:43:17 So.
09:43:19 Yeah.
09:43:26 Okay.
09:43:33 Speak to Nancy, we will, we are having a hearing. In a moment but we are Past public comment right now.
09:43:44 So I guess we can. Take a we can write a written comment at any time to Jeff POCC at CO.
09:43:51 Jefferson dot.us. There will be an opportunity to testify at the hearing about that agenda item. And or we'll make sure we have another public comment period later but
09:44:04 So the other thing I was gonna comment on is just item number 21. There was. A ton of work put into the Marine Resources Committee in the last month and super excited about
all of our new representatives and also Sad to see some of our long standing, core team step aside, but they were very intentional in saying we're really excited about the new people
raising their hands to be part of the
09:44:30 MRC and we want to make space for them. So. Just wanted to share that and.
09:44:35 Sure how excited we are about the folks who. Showing up for our marine resources.
09:44:43 Yeah, whenever I read these I go, oh, I know. And then I keep reading and I go, oh wow, there's some great, yeah, getting up there.
09:44:53 So, And it was, it was a really good process. Thanks to staff, Monica and.
09:45:00 Mrc leadership team who you know, raise their hand to be part of the interview process, which I was on those and really good interviews, really good conversations with all the
applicants.
09:45:10 So. But really great about the processes that we're involved in. All of the shifts on the MRC.
09:45:20 Okay. Greg is your level of concern on the contracts enough that you wanna no no I just you know it kind of it was a small a small red flag a little tiny red flag but i think
just being intentional with what we actually intend for people to.
09:45:40 Complete is is a good best practice. And maybe including a portion in the contract that says. With the funding provided.
09:45:49 It's our understanding that you will, you know, in future contract template. I mean, this is probably part of our, my desire to make our process is more transparent.
09:46:05 Months and months to get on and I think getting them completed this quickly is more advantage than disadvantage but I just think that's one way we can improve. Yeah, but I don't
want to hold it up.
09:46:20 I agree. I will move to approve and adopt the considered vendor of October, 20 third, 2023.
09:46:26 I will second. Okay, and moved in second. I do want to just amplify that the.
09:46:32 People complain about their property taxes going up all the time so far just the assessments have gone up but on November thirteenth you can complain about your property taxes
going up so we'll have a hearing then okay it's been moved and seconded to approve and adopt the consent agenda as indicated.
09:46:49 Mark, did you have a card? I'm just encouraging people to bombard the Board of Equalization. I'm saying don't bombard the Board of Equalization.
09:47:11 Come talk to us about the property tax. Although they will not have their text statements. That's at that point, right? I will just be setting.
09:47:12 The only Travel maker. Alright, all in favor of the motion on the floor indicate by saying aye. Aye.
09:47:19 Aye. Alright, we have a consent agenda. Okay, we are a minute or 2 late for our hearing.
09:47:28 Sorry, time got away from us. Haven't so much fun. Okay, well.
09:47:37 And do you see Julie? No, well invite. Hmm.
09:47:45 Is Judy making the presentation today, Mark? Are you gonna make the presentation? I thought she was.
09:47:51 If she's not on, I can certainly do it.
09:48:06 Yeah, I can share my screen quickly. Open the hearing, I guess. I don't have a script, so tell me if I miss anything.
09:48:15 We're going to have a hearing for an emergency supplemental, 2,023 budget appropriation, the extension of additional roadmap, the fund 500, and one for central services.
09:48:28 This is a public hearing and we want to hear from you about it after a brief staff presentation.
09:48:34 We will, I will. Open the hearing for public testimony on this item and you will need to identify your yourself and where you live as a public hearing.
09:48:45 You can testify online by hitting the raised hand button or star 9 if you're on the phone or we will recognize you if you are in the.
09:48:52 In the chambers to testify in person and we will first hear from a student colleague with a brief Staff presentation on this.
09:49:02 So commissioners, I think you know that, in central services we've had a bit of a staffing.
09:49:10 Issue, new johnson who is a fleet manager who manages our commodities, for public works.
09:49:19 Submitted his retirement and retired at the end of August. And, of course, the circumstances with Chris Boy.
09:49:27 And so there was a lack of attention paid to the status of the budget and you are in our fund that I think at the last budget meeting it was pointed out that our fund that I
think at the last budget meeting it was pointed out that our percent executed was pointed out that our percent executed was extremely high.
09:49:42 And. And so in the absence of leadership. In the fleet program.
09:49:50 Kathy, Taylor, and, B, of, works. Stepped up and helped prepare these numbers and I think, the Shepherd participated as well.
09:50:02 And so in order to, right the budget ship at VR in our fund. We needed this emergency.
09:50:10 I know we just had a hearing. About 2 weeks ago. And so if, if we would have had.
09:50:14 Leadership and the, you know, in our fund, we most likely would have submitted this at that time.
09:50:21 So. Okay, I apologize for the board for this oversight. We ask that you take public testimony. Thank you very much, Mark.
09:50:32 And I see Judy has joined us too. Anything to add, Judy?
09:50:36 No, I don't have anything to add. Thank you, Mark, for jumping in there.
09:50:41 Okay, well, this hearing is open and I will now open for public testimony if there is anyone with us who would like to make testimony on this emergency appropriation.
09:50:53 We would love to hear from you. Can hit raise hand or star 9 if you're on the phone and we'll bring it over to testify for up to 3Â min.
09:50:59 As a reminder, you will need to identify yourself and tell us where you live.
09:51:08 I'll make one more call for public testimony. Love to hear from you. If you're on the phone or the raised hand button, we'll bring you over.
09:51:21 Alright, seeing no hands, I will close public testimony and turn to my seat mates for deliberation.
09:51:29 I have a question. I'm curious, this we usually bid out the, materials.
09:51:39 Is that right? That's monotonous. Is that the? That's the chips deal. This is central services. So this is central services. So this is. Yeah.
09:51:54 So yeah, we use a variety of pro First, when we buy our state contracts. So in this case, I'm not aware of the exact contractual arrangement that we have in place.
09:52:02 I can certainly, get an answer to that question. I guess I'm just curious.
09:52:07 Are we? Because with the products we buy on bid and I realize we don't know here but the and look at the asphalt in motion.
09:52:19 Anyway, just curious if there is if we are doing more miles than we anticipated or the cost of the material has gone up resulting in, yeah, pretty significant.
09:52:30 In already said budget. 493,000, right? Only to go from 2 92, add another 200, you know, that's a 80% increase and then a 50% increase.
09:52:45 So.
09:52:45 I had the same question. Yeah, I'll have to, Judy, do you have any information?
09:52:52 Maybe Judy knows that.
09:52:50 Well. What? Okay. I worked with Kathy a little bit.
09:52:58 Kathy helped put these numbers together. And so They, so, in our purchases material.
09:53:07 And then invoices public works for the material and then public works pay them, you know, they pay ERR for the materials.
09:53:17 We didn't have a discussion as to why there was more material, you know, more budget needed for the materials.
09:53:23 And that is definitely we can something I'm happy to follow up on and get back to you. Because it is significant.
09:53:29 We were really kind of rushed to put this together and so we just jumped in there. Got the hearing, you know, got everything done so that we could make sure that invoices could
be paid and, make sure that it was taken care of.
09:53:45 So if you're willing to go ahead and approve it, I'm happy to follow up with more information for you.
09:53:56 Absolutely.
09:53:52 You think you could get it today if we just continued it to the afternoon? Is it to get the why answer as well as the what?
09:54:00 Yes, I think we could. As far as I know, I can reach out to Kathy as long as she's there and, gets more information for you.
09:54:10 I'm happy to do that.
09:54:11 And as I am reading this and am I reading it correctly to understand that the additional amount is coming from the unencumbered fund balance?
09:54:25 Right.
09:54:21 And it's from the equipment rental fund. Yeah, right. You're in her phone.
09:54:28 Bunch of equipment acquisition, and it also purchases the commodities used by public works. And caring for our roads.
09:54:39 So there's funds available in that account. Is that what it, yeah, I'm making sure I'm reading.
09:54:49 The revenues and expenses. They actually, sell. So the cost of these commodities are passed on the public works as part of their maintenance program.
09:55:02 And so it looks as though. We're buying more than we're selling. So I believe that we're,
09:55:16 Well, you guys want to. Continue this and it does say in the explanation at the bottom that projects beyond what was originally planned for 2023.
09:55:33 What the folks think?
09:55:37 I don't have a strong feeling about it. I mean, especially this is like purchase of material that we will continue to use.
09:55:46 You know, I'm more just thinking like for future budgeting, that we will continue to use.
09:55:49 You know, I'm more just thinking like for future budgeting, are we budgeting sufficiently? I'm guessing too that cost is probably increased because it has on everything.
09:55:56 So I'm, going ahead and approving it and just for curiosity and Okay, sure. Sounds good.
09:56:04 So Judy, I think we'd still like to get the a little bit more explanation as to why.
09:56:09 And what kind of the story behind it, but. I'm happy to make a motion.
09:56:14 Approving a resolution. Regarding emergency supplemental 2023 budget appropriation extension for additional road maintenance projects.
09:56:26 I will second. Okay, it's been moved and seconded to approve the emergency 2023 supplemental budget appropriation for fund 501.
09:56:37 All in favor indicate by saying aye. Aye. Aye. All right.
09:56:41 It's been approved. Thank you guys so much. Okay.
09:56:44 Thank you. So should I come back and this afternoon and give you updates on the questions or do you want that by email?
09:56:53 If you if you get the information today, we'd love to see you this afternoon. I think we have.
09:56:59 Anytime after 3.
09:57:05 Thanks so much, Judy.
09:57:02 Okay, sounds good. I'll plan for 3. Alright, thank you.
09:57:10 Alright.
09:57:14 So let's go back to our agenda. So it is. I guess briefing and calendaring is pretty much what we have.
09:57:24 Are there other agenda topics that folks want to consider today?
09:57:31 No, but I do wanna make sure we get, a legislative agenda. Future agenda. And also the conversation about the lobbyists.
09:57:43 Oh yeah. Is what's are you talking like next week? So yeah, I mean, yeah, whenever it set off.
09:57:51 Draft for UK. Okay. And hopefully by the end of the week so we can issue it. And get our vis in or our proposals.
09:58:00 And then. November sixth we can have a workshop. Sounds good. Okay.
09:58:08 Do you plan for November sixth?
09:58:12 Okay, who would like to take a look back first? Yeah, okay.
09:58:23 Wait a minute, get there.
09:58:29 Alright. Last Monday here with you all. When I did, Also, listen in on the city council meeting, which always makes me appreciate.
09:58:45 That this is our day job. Yeah. It was a long meeting, but, I was primarily listening in for the product center conversation.
09:59:01 That didn't start after 8 30, right? Table any decisions or recommendations. And seeking more information.
09:59:15 So. The steering committee met last week in response and, you know, probably just. Trying to zoom in on what What are some of the questions coming up and how to address those?
09:59:29 From council and elsewhere too. You know, like I said, it's the steering committee has no interest in putting something out that is not going to, you know, be palatable to voters
or be.
09:59:43 Impossible to fund in finance. So there's a real concerted effort to do our due diligence and ensure that this is feasible.
09:59:55 So still working on those questions. Tuesday morning had a.
10:00:02 Leadership Council Executive Committee Meeting for the Pigeons on Partnership. And.
10:00:10 So I still have to flip between my 2 calendars. I did something else. On Tuesday afternoon, I can't remember.
10:00:19 Oh no, you, you were, and it's not, it's not on my calendar.
10:00:26 So ongoing calendar issues. Wednesday, like I said, had a meeting with, this healthier together steering committee.
10:00:38 And that was. Somewhat in preparation for the. You'll see in meetings. Oh yeah.
10:00:49 So. Yeah, there's, certainly a organized group of folks who will, you know, if we do decide to put this on a valid way or imagine will actually register as a campaign, and so
they were the hosts of the events and
10:01:11 Yeah, I will say Mr. Scantino ran a good meeting. He was respectful and made everyone.
10:01:19 Behave themselves and I really appreciated that because you know I was walking into a room full of people who were hostile to this idea and you know in many cases hassle towards
governments.
10:01:32 So I was a little anxious but and the format was unfortunate. I've talked for about an hour. All the reasons he opposed the project.
10:01:46 And then I got up and That's just the perfect setup to have to be defensive, which always comes off poorly.
10:01:53 Dianne McDade from Jefferson Aquatic Coalition joins me. Rich Childers wasn't able to join.
10:02:00 So Diane Jordan has said and, So, you know, Try to. To provide some other information and did that wanna be argumentative and wanted to listen and.
10:02:14 That's some good feedback, some of which. Is helpful? Like, I mean, a lot of people say we would feel so differently about this if it were in a lot of people saying we would
feel so differently about this if we're in.
10:02:27 IN. You know, we couldn't fund this without the cities input. So it's.
10:02:32 And I think that would be a hard sell for the city to text their residents. Yeah, and there's no room at HTML for a facility and especially facility and parking of this.
10:02:47 But if this doesn't, you know, if this plan doesn't work out, and I think that is, it was, good feedback.
10:02:56 It was really unanimous. Yeah. That's. Oh yeah, gotcha.
10:03:02 Location was the big complaint. Yes, yeah, interesting. And then some feedback, which was less helpful, which is we just have to put this money into schools, which I thought
was ironic, cause they haven't been able to pass their own.
10:03:16 You know, levy your bond measures at some time and so it's really encouraging them to yes.
10:03:26 And I think by the end of the meeting, we went about 2Â h by the end. People were much warmer towards Diane and I.
10:03:36 So we were able to at least Talk them down from, you know, kind of.
10:03:41 Distrusting us as much as they had when we walked in the door. And, you know, tried to express that we're just other residents in this county trying to.
10:03:53 Figure out what's best. And so the, it ends up going much better than I anticipated or better than I feared.
10:04:00 And the real question is how are we going to get information out. You know, no campaign can form and start doing whatever they want to do anytime.
10:04:13 But we have these processes that we have to go through. Putting things on the ballot and then, deciding whether we would support it or not.
10:04:24 Likely, campaign led by others in support of it. And, but, you know, just how about like, what's the forum to have these conversations and get, information out?
10:04:34 Cause They're folks who are critical of it who are going to believe what they read and their folks in favor of it who are going to believe what they read and never the 2 shall
need it seems.
10:04:43 So we're trying to figure out is there a debate for our format that would help. Answer people's questions and concerns.
10:04:51 But like I, I didn't want to be there to sell the project. I wanted to provide information and not argue.
10:04:59 But at some point we probably do need to. You know, figure out a way to let both sides be heard equally.
10:05:08 And, city council meetings I think that's the right place. I'm there a proposal for that?
10:05:19 Like how to. Have other forums that aren't. You know, the preo campaign. And I think, and, is very, very experienced talented.
10:05:33 The previously political consultant and she had some ideas for how to.
10:05:42 Let's see. We had our portal meeting. And.
10:05:50 Let's see, great presentation on the school based health clinics. And then. Okay.
10:05:58 About how we wanna take a look at the new onsite septic code and sounds like we still want that to live within.
10:06:07 So, I'm gonna take a look at the new onsite septic code. And sounds like you still want that to live within.
10:06:10 So I different opportunities to begin, which is nice. So. Not just the red line, 300 page that you.
10:06:18 See, so Thursday evening was the posting heating. Friday I was in a retreat all day with the now, lot of transition happening there with the executive director of many many
years leaving.
10:06:34 Some feeling with the funding model that they rely on and really fragmented. They serve as a salmon recovery organization.
10:06:42 They serve as a. Lead integrating organization, they serve as a lead entity and it's a little Just too many small parts of money or too many strings attached so that model isn't
isn't working.
10:06:56 And so trying to decide what the right. Scope and scale and focus should be.
10:07:04 And so could be some significant changes there, but we're, we weren't able to answer that question.
10:07:12 So we'll have to continue to plan. Have they already started looking? Have we already started looking for a new director?
10:07:22 At the noon hour took a little break to go do radio show. Brenda and Plan on talking about elections.
10:07:32 I think it was great. It's so funny doing the radio show and having no idea who's listening if anybody is listening and you know so I thought it was fascinating but I don't
know if anybody else listen, but I always learned something new about elections.
10:07:49 Rocking in the free world. And my takeaway was. Don't never drive into a ballot box because they are much stronger than your car is.
10:08:01 Oh, that's good to know. There's been multiple, multiple run-ins, real boxes.
10:08:11 Well, I mentioned one that I hadn't heard of in, but then, I mean, our own Kathleen player.
10:08:15 We'll get into it here and also experience that. Okay, that's good. Yeah. And then I don't know what this weekend.
10:08:23 Other than building a lot of stab calls on Saturday when we got word of press, but you know.
10:08:30 Alright. Last week.
10:08:35 There with you on Monday. Okay. No, Tuesday morning I met with a constituent. Who lives on the water and headlock and watches their left boats anchoring in front of his house
and We're having a, I'm Derel both say, green between Hannah and I right now, so.
10:08:58 Hearing a lot from my neighbors. About that and so I have so someone anchors their boat then leaves and like I'm done with this one.
10:09:09 Okay, so when does it become not stored but derelict? Well, I the beholder kind of thing Yeah, I mean you can anchor both.
10:09:20 There are time limitations. And I'm trying to understand what those are because different and different, yeah, or different in different tide zones.
10:09:30 Okay. But also, you know, what, authority our sheriff's department has to, be active on that.
10:09:37 So I'm gonna meet with Joe, about that because I want to understand more of what their program is.
10:09:45 And then also working with, the state. Darely fussle removal program to remove a few more boats that washed up on the beach last summer.
10:09:58 Self of Irondale Beach and there's also that 83 foot coast guard boat that sank a month ago off of Iron Dale Beach and It's like people are kind of like.
10:10:09 Struggling about it and I'm like, I think it's still there. So out of sight.
10:10:16 Yeah, a little bit. And so just trying to. Wrangle those cats a little bit. Man, thanks for taking that extra work on.
10:10:23 Well, it's That's the That's the walk on the beach fun stuff. Right.
10:10:29 That's my last job. Let's see.
10:10:35 Then I worked on. Los Angeles federal housing issue. Federal issues.
10:10:45 They're updating Los Angeles updating its federal legislative priorities and because I inserted housing last year as part of that committee.
10:10:55 I am in the process of working with Representative Kilmer's office to update the housing section because there were a number of specific.
10:11:04 Pieces of legislation that we're. Proposed at that time and I just wanna. Understand where they're at now.
10:11:14 They're not as tuned to federal issues. Commissioner Dina, so I think you people are but.
10:11:20 Derek's staff has been really helpful. So. Then the transit board meeting with you guys and just, you know, excited to see us.
10:11:29 Authorizing purchase of another election. And then also realizing that, you know, years out for that next election, these grant contract timelines are sometimes.
10:11:44 Like wow really 2 years so and then also you know kicked off the review process for our general manager.
10:11:54 I spent quite a bit of time over the last month putting together. A template for review of Nicole.
10:12:01 Just gonna say anecdotally, I think she's doing an awesome job and it's been helpful and developing the review process.
10:12:11 So, anyway, so I think that, and move forward nicely and then. Cause the evening I attended the, community wellness project harvest dinner at Ben River and it was Another wonderful
event.
10:12:25 Really heartening to see the number of people who showed up. For that community project that is about, gardens in our public schools.
10:12:37 And They are growing thousands and thousands of pounds of produce. And teaching kids about, actual food and how it.
10:12:49 And serving it in the cafeterias. So, super. Important work.
10:12:56 And I love Shelby always reminds us that, you know, it's like, a, and garbage out.
10:13:02 So we need to feed our kids really good food. So they can be there, have their best minds going and I've been reading.
10:13:07 Anyone else's red, even copperhead yet? Yeah, but, and, Molly and the, the main character in the book.
10:13:17 Is always hungry. And always eating. Whatever he can find. And, and the most recent chapter, he's eating the leftover hot dogs from the mini-mart.
10:13:31 At the end of the day and I'm just like. You know it's just thinking about how we feed our kids is so important and I'm super grateful for community wellness project in our
community.
10:13:43 So thank you. Shelby and Katherine and Christie and Rachel and everyone is on the board of that.
10:13:53 Organization anyway, super work. Let's see, and then Wednesday morning, Carolyn and I both attended a Department of Revenue training on.
10:14:05 Roles and responsibilities of county legislative authorities for open space, levies and boards of equalization. And Jeff Chapman attended 2 and it was a lot of information and
also well timed with Julie's last day being today and Carolyn taking over the board of equalization clerking and me to understand a little bit more about the context within which we
do that work.
10:14:31 So. Then Wednesday afternoon, I attended the chimic of our teams coalition meeting and we have a new relatively new coordinator, Kara, Bellinger, Hesson, and she's doing a great
job.
10:14:46 And I would say it was a very full agenda this time and a lot of sharing and we have a new manager of the, team center.
10:14:58 And, he's actually become a friend of mine and I made sure he knew about the entire team's coalition and he came and.
10:15:07 You know, it was just really good to see new energy showing up at the table for kids in our community.
10:15:13 Nice. And you guys have a survey out right now?
10:15:16 We have a survey. Out of a Child outcomes and alcohol tobacco. I think we're getting towards the end of that survey.
10:15:28 Yeah. We're always desperate down in the south end to get as many people as possible. Cause it's hard to get to that 100,
10:15:39 Wednesday evening was the short farm meeting at the community center in Ch and that was also well attended and the purpose of that meeting was to kind of lay out the ports plans
for developing a Steering committee for kind of the whole short part.
10:15:58 This the steering committee is made up of 3 agency partners. Being the land works collaborative. The conservation district.
10:16:07 I keep blanking on the third agency partner. It's not the land trust. Yeah, I don't I'm not gonna remember it right now too much in my brain right now.
10:16:21 So but then but they're I love that they're really emphasizing primary leadership in that working group.
10:16:28 So 6 farmers and the farm, a lot of farmers attended that meeting.
10:16:35 I was just kinda there, Aaron asked me to be there as a resource. For the meetings, but you know, not to be on the steering committee, which I'm fine with.
10:16:45 You know, I feel about all the committees and being able to get stuff done. So, but the, so what's happening is the farmers.
10:16:52 Have been asked to apply to be on the steering group. So I hope that a bunch of the diverse mix of our farmers, the new garden, old guard, raise their hands and get engaged
on.
10:17:05 What's gonna be a really pivotal, exciting process? And, over the next year or 2.
10:17:12 Okay, I'm only 2. And I heard that there's moving on the Ajax as well. I didn't. Yes. Oh wow. And I heard that there's moving on Ajax as well.
10:17:21 So.
10:17:22 Yeah, good scenes on the shift. Yeah. And then Thursday morning.
10:17:32 I met with Nicole with them at the corner. Store to talk about. Pursuit of and local food infrastructure grants.
10:17:44 And what, energy the corner store can bring to a project or proposal. And that was a brainstorming session.
10:17:53 Good session with her. You know, they're talking about. Developing the corner property as more of a you know, what more could they put there that would serve the ag community
in our county.
10:18:09 So. There's so many conversations going on right now and Tim, I'm about all this stuff and I, you know, we kind of.
10:18:15 Mark and I slow played the drainage district conversation because it feels like All of these other conversations are gonna inform where we wanna go with the drainage district
and Also right now the conservation district is undertaking a watershed planning project.
10:18:31 So there's just, you know, a nexus of. Projects going on thinking about how the future is gonna look in.
10:18:41 And then there's the whole, question and I know you've been out there talking to folks about the what flexibility a lambert could allow.
10:18:49 So I will say I think the, the farmstand is the one business I've been able to identify that will really benefit from the bill that test a couple of sessions ago.
10:19:01 Short Senate bill. Yeah, and I tell you, talked about the all the jobs that the corner store and thin river.
10:19:09 Equal. Great. So. Be able to, you know, say, look, it's a little bit of a movement.
10:19:22 Progress. Yeah, it is a little bit of movement. Yeah, progress. Yeah, it is a lamered already that that corner, right? Yeah, that's only the commercial properties.
10:19:28 So it's a very funny shape. That corner, right? Yeah, that's only the commercial properties. So it's a very funny shape. Yeah.
10:19:32 And it was carved out, you know, just for the commercial properties. So. Anytime there's a residence that is left out of the lambert boundary.
10:19:37 So it's, doesn't. The, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, that was allowed in that last bill doesn't affect the ability to do anything.
10:19:51 Or, flexibility that was allowed in that last bill doesn't affect the ability to do anything. The band residential.
10:19:53 And so any bright ideas on how to. Into that flexibility. No, and I, I think Brennan is the more probably the more important case study for pilot project.
10:20:04 I don't really see a path forward for, GMA language would really help.
10:20:16 But I will say that, you know, the property owners are doing some interesting things. I forgot to mention I could sit in on a meeting with the The land trusts, project and you
know there's a number of landowners talking about joining parcels to be able to do a plant real residential development and get hosted development and share septic and So they're being
creative.
10:20:40 Okay. I'm sorry, I don't know. It's good. I think it's why we do these briefings.
10:20:48 Coordinated, right? To talk to each other. Okay, so then we have the Board of Health meeting and I did not attend, oh, there wasn't, we cancelled our WASAC federal issues meeting
last week, so.
10:21:02 Don't on time with my housing updates. And. And this got daughter turned 12 last week. Super big holiday in our family.
10:21:17 Had a store check in. At Public Works Friday morning. Get some more work on the transit.
10:21:31 General manager review process and got the materials out to everyone last week. You had a county coordination meeting on Friday, midday.
10:21:44 I guess I don't think I got the. Evaluation materials through the. Yeah, Okay. I feel like, I did.
10:21:56 I typed everyone's name. Did I miss you? I know, I got it. And then the, county coordination meeting and I would say there that,
10:22:10 We have the idea and intention and Mark, you weren't, you couldn't be at that meeting.
10:22:17 We had talked about in the strategic planning process using the coordination meeting as one of the check in points for strategic plan implementation.
10:22:25 And there was some feedback at the coordination meeting that, folks were worried that. Strategic plan, coordination, implementation coordination would take up.
10:22:35 The entirety of our County Coordination Meeting. And that folks felt like there was other beneficial purposes for county coordination and they were worried that So we might
wanna consider another way of getting that piece of work done.
10:22:52 I think that was a minority opinion now. I think more people, I mean, there's some departments that have more check marks on it, but if you think about 6 strategic priorities
each with at least 6 objectives.
10:23:05 And performance of those with multiple performance measures. In any detail, I mean, you're talking a couple hour long meeting. Oh, totally.
10:23:17 You're, you, you, came up to the year, talking with the consultants about a dashboard, right?
10:23:21 Which would be the like the measurements. I think it was just a check in at the county coordination meeting, not necessarily a giant update, but maybe.
10:23:32 I said I would get together with you and better sure if it's a you know an overall assessment about progress.
10:23:38 I think that's appropriate. But you know, put your waiters on and go D and start throwing your mind on the water.
10:23:47 So we'll have to figure out how to get that waiting done. Yeah. Through 2028.
10:23:57 So we've got a little bit of time. To design the program. What's the timeline on that dashboard?
10:24:02 Is that I have not yet. Brooch the, well I did informally during our last meeting.
10:24:13 With that and I haven't. And circle back yet. But it would likely be required in that minutes of the contract.
10:24:22 To add additional. But certainly, If we were to get a prototype, I think the board should.
10:24:31 Good to look at it. You know, bad value. The design of that dashboard, because it's gotta be understandable by the public.
10:24:42 And and it would be plugged in to the Civic Plus. Our actual web page, right?
10:25:01 So let's see, that was, I think that was the end of my week. I did attend the NICO.
10:25:09 Public Land Steering Committee Friday afternoon. And, that, topic was all the agenda was all a presentation on wildfire.
10:25:20 Planning. It was interesting for me. I was I was like googling around during the meeting. You know, I was like, well, where does community wildfire protection planning fit in?
10:25:31 This matrix that they were talking about on the NICO meeting and I realized it's it's an analogous term for another process that they were talking about.
10:25:39 So. You know, it's just, I sometimes feel like I dive in the deep end of acronym soup and spend the entire meeting trying to figure out, you know, how to get back up to air,
but by the end of the meeting I felt like, okay, we're on the right track with our community wildfire plan and you know it sounds like.
10:25:58 Counties around the West are. Really grappling with increased fire danger and It's interesting across across the political spectrum to hear.
10:26:09 Different talking about wildfire danger. Yeah, impacts everywhere. That was the end of my week last week.
10:26:22 Alright. Do you remember what the what They were referencing it that is a corollary to CWP.
10:26:30 Yeah, I'll find it. I wrote that. I'll start. You can interrupt when you find that.
10:26:37 I might not find it. They might be in my office. I'll start. You can interrupt when you when you find that? I might not find it.
10:26:43 It might be in my office. I was with you guys Monday and then we got out early enough I could join Salish BHSO and G shepherd as we kind of hashed out the opioid settlements
that we had agreed upon in August and kind of worked out that.
10:26:51 Contractual path through the DBH one and you know public health and I think when we were talking indicated Maybe an interest in.
10:27:01 Being a stakeholder and oversight, but they're not really interested and looking at the form from, that Sailors put together, it's really just.
10:27:10 Which of these? I don't know if you remember Appendix E that had the different applicable uses, but which of these is it in? How much is it?
10:27:17 It's very just it's like a one line on a spreadsheet that they're going to have to fill out to to really do the reporting.
10:27:24 So, Judy is working on. Where that will sit but it will it'll just go straight through the county to to DVH so made progress there we got a left one board Tuesday morning.
10:27:39 We have an ongoing, payout for some care. We've, Almost solidified paying for airlift and life flight for all the members since it's there's a claim you know from the helicopter
ambulance that is not cheap that we're looking for.
10:28:01 So we're proactively a city in the county will be paying for all of those 9 members that we have.
10:28:04 To get those services. I think I heard it's 40 or $50,000 for life right now.
10:28:09 For for a flight? The bill that this gentleman got was I think 40. I think it was only 32 because the ambulance ride from the helicopter Like 500 to a thousand yards into the
hospital that was $7,500.
10:28:32 So yeah. Yeah. But yeah, it's ridiculous and you can get a pretty discounted.
10:28:38 Right. I think Meta-gap though pays for Air List or Lifeblight. And of course, anyone that if you're conscious when you get on it, you can always sign up as you're being put
onto the helicopter.
10:28:56 Transits, I think the whole team is a new team there. And I think, you know, not just Nicole, but everyone's doing really well.
10:29:02 Yeah. You know, yes, you know, I mean, it's a good problem to have, but we gotta do something with that, but we gotta do something with that, you know, whether it's hard to
increase service, but I just don't know.
10:29:18 No real public showers. Yeah, do something. I don't know. I mean, you know, Haines Street, you know, it would be great to have some, public facilities down there.
10:29:34 Doing well. See, I had a pre light week. Very intense school week actually, but see other high points 40 half i really like the sea level rise presentation actually yes one
of my big takeaways was tracking the rising sea level and how the trend went up at Seattle and went down and in Mia Bay because the land itself is shifting up and down.
10:30:01 That was totally new information to me. Yeah, and he didn't really talk about that mechanism, but there is, yeah, there's a plate and the both of them is in.
10:30:17 You know, there's a plate and the, both of them is in Cordangelo and Prudential.
10:30:19 Yeah. So we're going down. We're here. We're here.
10:30:25 Near base here. There's a, side and up. Oh, let me say. Yeah. That's the.
10:30:30 For a year. Millimeter for year, but it had pretty, you know, transformative impact on the actual sea level rise.
10:30:35 Yeah, a lot of millimeters per year, but it had pretty, you know, transformative impact on the actual, sea level rise.
10:30:36 Okay. And that's pretty, you know, transformative impacts on the actual sea level rise. Okay, the specific plate is about subjecting under the wind, if you could play. Okay.
10:30:46 And that's, is that a, so that's, I mean, it's, so like the full current is another plate. Is that right? Or?
10:30:48 No, it Well, it's going down over here. The other plate is here. But it's just because it's one plate.
10:30:53 Okay. And then, I mean, that's just because it's one plate. Okay. And then, I mean, that's, then too much pressure builds and then that can fault, right?
10:30:59 Yeah. I mean, that's, then too much pressure builds and then that can fault, right? Yeah.
10:31:05 Yeah, I was very, working with the and that can fault, right? Yeah. Yeah, I was very, working with the, and on that, the 2015 report was, to have such a like engaged scientist.
10:31:15 Yeah. I was very, working with Ian on that, the 2015 report, which, yeah. Yeah.
10:31:16 He's the kind of scientist that looks like, like engaged scientist. Yeah. Yeah.
10:31:19 Yeah. He's the kind of scientist that looks like you get still as joy and finding things. Yeah.
10:31:29 Yeah, he's the kind and then, kind of coordination, the one other things we kind of debriefed our, account connections, the road shows and Everyone agreed that the.
10:31:42 The conversation in the West End was really productive and like leaders got most out of that meeting too because you know we have so little interface with the West and that
it's you get good information back as well as delivering information.
10:31:59 Feels like we should go there more than once every 3 years or whatever. The how often to go and also about engaging like You know, it was Maven both there that brought out people,
you know, and connected with several people that brought them out and in Brennan too it was really the community advocates that brought people out so engaging with areas you know like
we talked about the great presentation we had a try area and how
10:32:29 we had no no community members there that they were interested in the sewer. So engaging those community mavens, might be something that we need to do on the planning side as
well.
10:32:40 But Yeah, there's, an eagerness, I think, to do it more often.
10:32:47 And so I don't know we were talking about next year which is an election cycle year but is it really a It doesn't feel very campaigning to me.
10:33:03 I don't feel, I don't know. It didn't feel like they were campaign forums.
10:33:10 But if, you know, if there were a contested race you could see more people showing up you know.
10:33:18 In part of the problem. It just wasn't. There weren't enough people there to even.
10:33:22 Engage that much. I don't know. It's also very expensive. I mean, it's also very expensive.
10:33:31 I mean, it's, time and money. And I worry a little bit about the optics of doing that. Yeah. Every year. If we're not getting a turnout.
10:33:36 Right Yeah, so we're kinda we didn't say we're doing it next year but just something to think about so right now is still planning for not next year but the year after, right?
10:33:46 Would be the next time you would do it. Not next year, but the year after, right? Would be the next time you would do it?
10:33:48 But a lot of, One feelings back come compliments for, Carolyn making it all work.
10:34:06 Like, about the joke, Stacey said. She said, and I think Carolyn for, for making Greg's room, yeah, I don't know if you heard, but I had the worst room.
10:34:12 Yeah, yeah. I don't know if you heard, but I had the worst room. Absolutely. By far.
10:34:18 The one room on the highway. I'm sure it has nothing to do with that bigger district. Oh, well, you know, it gave me, for the whole weekend, actually.
10:34:32 I figured out what my my stuck was on the NICO. Publicity call was they were talking about this whole presentation was about wildfire risk reduction planning.
10:34:45 And I'm like, how is that different than community wildfire planning? And it's not, it's not really.
10:34:51 WRP. There's funding for wildfire risk reduction. But I think I found that community wildfire protection planning was.
10:35:06 An eligible expense for. Wow, that reduction. So anyway, Nothing for a service. Program.
10:35:15 Yeah, it's interesting how agencies don't call the same thing different. How the same things, different things, different terms, sometimes.
10:35:24 Yes. I have a grant program associated with them so you don't want to grant program to the same name.
10:35:32 Sorry, Greg, we're interacting. No, no, no, that's okay. And I was out in motion shores Thursday and Friday.
10:35:40 Working in and out. And worked a lot got scoring sheets out finally for the housing fund board things that we I think we're gonna update it a little today right and get a second
another column on there so you can delineate the 1590 to 1591.
10:35:56 Yeah.
10:36:01 And that was my week. Mark, do you wanna take us through your week? I was at basically most of the
10:36:11 Monday the sixteenth with the board all day that have lunch with tomorrow during month Friday.
10:36:20 Tuesday, and staff work meeting with IT to talk about storage capacity and laser fish licenses. And. Everyone on one and then the chat work in the afternoon and then.
10:36:36 Wednesday, had 2 fleet interviews and So we do have a selected candidate. We're doing background check.
10:36:48 And then reference checks. And I'm hoping. Make the job offer here in the next day or 2.
10:36:55 And then, headed to kind of chorus for the RISK conference in that last day through Friday.
10:37:03 Okay. And you take ways from the conference? I, it was all about law enforcement. And, a great deal of info on, in jail.
10:37:14 Risks and behaviors. Very good information. Share all of the resources with, with our sheriff and, and, the jail.
10:37:28 They're gonna benefit from those training materials. Tremendous guest speakers. And, you know, I really think that, the new board members should consider.
10:37:40 One of these symposiums, I'm going forward. I know ID is expressed interest in that this would have been a very good one for one of you 2 attendant.
10:37:51 Yeah, let us know. Get in the schedule. That's that and the fact that they had drug snipping dogs in this room.
10:37:58 Oh, do they? Yeah. And that was one of the big, big recommendations. And We based on risk full input previously and interest, by David 14 or Joe, superintendent, we acquired
a body scanner so that, facility we can we can do a body scan to identify contraband weapons and such but, drawing detection equipment and, or, If you look
10:38:36 at, in custody deaths in jails. Suicide was a leading cause of death. The second was overdosing on drugs.
10:38:45 So if you're in jail, that you have overdose on drugs, it's because you're very clever in hiding the drugs.
10:38:54 There's only so many cavities that the high scanners do. It's an example where an individual took, latex gloves, cut the fingers off.
10:39:03 But the drug and the finger, I mean, hide it off. When using the restroom, produce those 3.
10:39:15 One of them open, took the, swallowed the other 2. So that tomorrow we could. 2 and so on and so forth.
10:39:26 We're all used up. But then, you know, as people come into the jail to visit, you need to body scan those people and at the Europe dog sniff them to detect.
10:39:39 Be, smuggled into the facility. So anyway, The risk pool has, Ken Coleman, he's a law enforcement expert on staff and And, I think, Bryan Barbie, they came and actually did
a inspection of our jail facility and gave us good marks.
10:40:02 So membership in the pool has got lots of benefits and training. And helping us procure, I mean, they actually have money available to help afraid the cost of the drug detection
equipment.
10:40:15 Is there any talk about kind of the the changes in. Law enforcement. Coming legislatively and societally and.
10:40:34 Yes, cause I had a great conversation with Kevin Shooty, a commissioner from Mason County and he was saying that they've had 2.
10:40:43 Start contracting for jail services with the tribe because they have no fractions officers with the tribe because they have no fractions officers with the tribe because they
have no fractions officers with the tribe because they have no fractions officers.
10:40:54 You know, and that this is like, we have a system where nobody even wants to work there. Like the system is so broken and And we have our state legislator saying.
10:40:59 You know, you can ask your money for jails all you want, but like that we're not doubling down on that system.
10:41:06 It has to change. We did have a panel discussion. It was a 2Â h panel and we had the Mason County Sheriff.
10:41:13 You also had. The director of the criminal justice training center. And 2 other law enforcement officials calling on the dais and They talked about issues, one of which was
the no pursuit of laws and the impact.
10:41:32 That's had on apprehensions and prosecutions and a downward impact. And that, you know, people will steal a car and then they'll, gesture to the deputy that drive by, the middle
finger.
10:41:49 I've got a stolen car here and you can't chase me kind of thing. Right.
10:41:54 And universally pretty much everybody in the room. Reported a shortage of corrections officers and universally they're all offering sign bonuses and, but this is what we are.
10:42:11 And so, you know, they have the, we have the, they update in again. And so we've got this.
10:42:13 For a dog dog. Process going on in the corrections world. But yeah, innovation is gonna be called for and staffing these facilities and then.
10:42:26 I do know that there were, for profit organizations that were running jails. When the bottom line is you're motive, you know, cutting corners and cutting costs.
10:42:41 And, you know, cutting corners and cutting costs. And, you know, plan results in much worse care for in and greater liability for the jurisdictions that employ those firms.
10:42:47 And so no easy answers. And you know, one of the severe one of the biggest sources of loss in corrections.
10:42:56 There are people that, they join the sheriff's department in corrections and then they do that to get their foot in the door so they can become a.
10:43:08 And so internal. Poaching, but migration internally insurance departments, it's the biggest source of loss.
10:43:15 For corrections. Hmm. Yeah. So it's one of those like, and track.
10:43:24 Okay. Fractable problems. It's gonna take a lot of work to solve. I mean, our jail has been at a half population, you know, since COVID and new rules too.
10:43:35 So, you know, I don't know. We also had a session on litigation and the gigantic verdicts that we're seeing, awards and juries are boarding and in custody death.
10:43:56 You know, negligence if you're not doing your periodic checks and someone commit suicide and you're opening yourself up for a jury award and in terms of millions.
10:44:08 And some of them are actually. I think one, Okay. Anyway, lots of risk there.
10:44:18 Hmm. Okay. Well, thank you, Mark. Yeah, I think that like, how do we not double down on that a broken system that is very expensive.
10:44:31 I really hope people are working on alternatives because. It is, it's not even an effective system to begin with.
10:44:41 But yeah, I mean. Yeah. More warm hand offs help. There's lots of, you know.
10:44:47 Walking out the door is like one of the most dangerous times too. By the way, if you guys watch Painkiller?
10:44:55 Oh, I haven't yet. I've heard it's good though. Yeah. Series fictionalized, but it's called painkiller.
10:45:06 Happy Broderick. And episodes, series fictionalized, but it's called painkiller about. Yes, yeah.
10:45:13 And seeing how at every turn they, you know, we're allowed to. Make billions and billions of dollars while people were dying.
10:45:17 And, It's it really puts a finer point on the you know the settlement that we're getting and highly recommend it.
10:45:29 Is it not that? That's why it's not. Yeah. I'm about right now.
10:45:35 So highly recommends.
10:45:36 Nice. Alright, shall we look, at the coming week? Kate, you wanna leave this off again?
10:45:43 Sure. And we should remind people. Oh wait, fifth money is the phone. No, no, not fifth Monday next week.
10:45:51 Alright. So you can even tell us, you know, look ahead 2 weeks if there's something to share.
10:45:57 Okay, the sweet. Obviously with you all here today and want to acknowledge that it's the last day of our beloved Julie Shannon.
10:46:09 It's been the face of our office to the public and to other departments. Like she will just be missed so greatly.
10:46:16 I mean, even like my family is really sad. Like warmest embrace. In our office for how long has she been here? 15 years.
10:46:30 15 in the county. 13 she says. 13 in our office. So, she will leave a huge hole.
10:46:39 Tomorrow the, municipal research service center, meeting. First thing in the morning.
10:46:47 I'm curious, are any of you planning to go to HJ Carol? We have our CEO.
10:46:52 I was planning on. You should do that since it's your district. Come to look at the jump like that.
10:47:02 Have a economic development council finance committee meeting. Tomorrow, then, we, we do healthier together.
10:47:10 Narma, I guess that's the one that just got added. Yeah. Okay. Tomorrow afternoon, then pretends that a covered team's coalition and the programs executive meeting.
10:47:24 Wednesday morning, have our budget meeting, then Brent and I need to talk about. Short term rentals.
10:47:34 Having some board meeting with that afternoon. So that means I'm going to miss the childcare meeting again.
10:47:41 Mark, are you able to, no, you usually come to the Okay. I have not attended a housing number for quite some time. Yeah, we do.
10:47:56 Landa is doing a good job attending those. Okay. Great. I'll verify that we have someone.
10:48:00 That'd be great. Thank you. Thursday.
10:48:08 We have some interviews for the, Transit Authority climate action plan, consultants.
10:48:17 And then, Friday I was. Considering going to the community forum at the Naval Air Station on Whitby. I don't know if you're going to the community forum at the Nab.
10:48:33 Ler station on Whitby. I don't know. I don't know. I didn't know that.
10:48:34 There's So I have a bit of a conflict. So I can see if I can, if I can do that, it's.
10:48:39 Always frustrating though. I think there should be value in going to those and then you go and you just get talked at in a bunch of acronyms and then it's over.
10:48:53 No conversation, there's no description. And then you go and you just get talked up in a bunch of acronyms and then it's over.
10:48:59 Like no conversation, there's no description. So, yeah, a little bit on the fence about that.
10:49:04 Yeah, fifth Monday next week will be a CC that's always exciting although I do have a long.
10:49:11 Association of counties bylaws committee meeting. That's the with how to deal with this caressious.
10:49:18 Environment and Wasack right now. I have our last interview on the 30 first with the consultant for the action plan for Jefferson Transit.
10:49:31 Shout out for the port house being the place to be on Halloween. So church folks to come and.
10:49:38 Bring their property tax payment and see some great decorations. Yeah. Wednesday the first. See, have a child care.
10:49:51 Make it child care meeting. I'll be able to attend that one. If the transit advisory group meeting.
10:50:01 Number second. Let me get these invitations with them. Acronyms that. And like too many committees to just call it the PTCC meeting.
10:50:19 Too many committees to just call it the PTCC meeting. Yeah. I think that's a few.
10:50:22 Just on partnership one and then pull up the economic development council board meeting. November third, so exciting. The Municipal Research Service Center, I think is going
to be purchasing property.
10:50:33 They have, been renting for the 40 years have been existence and have been slowly putting away a little bit of money to buy and I've been on the board there for 7 years and
looking at various.
10:50:48 Buildings and we finally found one that I think it's gonna be a good fit in downtown Tacoma.
10:50:55 It's actually some partnership just got a permanent office space and. There seems to be a lot of office space.
10:51:10 Yes, although there's not a car charger to be found in that town, Tacoma.
10:51:11 I don't know. Yes, although there's not a car charger to be found in that town to come.
10:51:13 I don't know the hard way. Charging opportunities. Then, that is the, also the day that the, Marine Resources committees, Northwest Straits Conference starts here.
10:51:25 And they happen to be able to get here and I'll be on one panel that afternoon. Thank you for doing that.
10:51:32 I'm on the coordinating committee so I'll be there too. And, and I have a childcare, so it was a public meeting for the new childcare center.
10:51:42 That night. That is hosting a family. Pool and activity and stuff and we'll also be doing outreach for the childcare center there to get more input from families on what their
Mountain View.
10:51:59 Is that the third? Friday the third? Okay.
10:52:04 Nice couple of weeks. Okay, let's see.
10:52:12 Alright, this week. We'll be going to the RCO funding board tour of the jump playground tomorrow morning at 9.
10:52:21 Then I have a community foundation board meeting. Later in the morning. And a community foundation event later in the afternoon.
10:52:30 So tomorrow's. Community day for sure and look very little in the courthouse day. I'll probably be here middle of the day.
10:52:39 And then Wednesday and Thursday, I'm in Olympia all day, both days for, a Wassat County planning conference.
10:52:47 I think it's in anticipation of the 2025. Periodic updates to comp plans they're doing.
10:52:54 Timber school versus now planning school. I've done their planning school before, yeah. So I may miss the budget meeting.
10:53:08 I mean, I can probably take it in the car when I'm driving, but. And then.
10:53:19 That's Wednesday and Thursday and then Friday. I'm having a little bit of a hard time wrangling my.
10:53:26 Farming and tilt friends for their radio show. The radio show, as you all know, is 1230 to 1255.
10:53:37 And the keynote speaker for the tilt conferences at 1245 on Friday. Amy Thatcher from a farm in King County.
10:53:47 I believe. Yeah. I can tell you, I have it right here. She's right here.
10:53:53 Is the founder and farmer of April Joy Farm. Southwest Washington.
10:54:02 Anyway, so, but I'm actively working with Kelly, and, and, Jim, of course, on coming up with the solution.
10:54:13 We have an option to go in and record. At 8 in the morning on Friday, which is fine with me, but we just have to get the guests free to come that early.
10:54:23 So. I have some ideas. That's why I asked for K Kissler phone number.
10:54:30 I, yeah, yeah, I thought, well, I have to pull together. A non-conference related panel of farmer local farmers is what I want.
10:54:38 Keith's at the top of the list because of all of this grain work. So let's see, and then I have.
10:54:45 One o'clock meeting with as part of my encumbered lands, committee work.
10:54:53 They. So the encumbered lands work group that I was on. Developed a set of policies for replacement lands to get replacement lands compensating.
10:55:07 Counties and DNR in the right. Junior taxi district. So. One of the options in the.
10:55:19 Recommendations made by the and the Cumberland's work group was that We could do reciprocal county arrangements where.
10:55:27 Land could be purchased. And another county. But the funding would be designated. For junior taxing districts in the encumbered lands counties.
10:55:39 And so about 6 weeks ago. Paul Jewell called and said there's a an awesome large.
10:55:47 Piece of timber land. In Southwest Washington in the very. Darkest, is most productive for us in our state that, DNR may pursue acquiring.
10:56:01 For the benefit of encumbered lands. And so I've said, okay, well, let me, so Mark and I had a conversation about it and I said, I gave Paul the thumbs up.
10:56:12 So you can give DNR the thumbs up. And so we're having a.
10:56:16 A meeting about this property tomorrow, the first meeting about this property. That would be an unencumbered lands meeting.
10:56:23 Yeah. And is it a one time benefit to the encumbered counties? Well, it'd be on a rotation.
10:56:33 It would be the one time benefit to the encumbered counties? Well, it would be the in that trust and the other.
10:56:35 The timber would be designated for those trust. Yeah. Interesting. So I mean, that was just one of the creative outcomes of the encumbered hands work group.
10:56:48 Was this, reciprocal? Counties idea. Interesting. And it is.
10:56:53 So it is the land is in one of the counties that's an encumbered lands county. I think so but we haven't really been told we'll be get all the details tomorrow.
10:57:05 I mean Friday, right. So let's see and then.
10:57:12 Saturday, Sunday. Let's see. And then the following week.
10:57:19 I am really gonna try. I'm really, I keep saying this, yes, I'm really gonna try and take a couple of days off and they really need to get some sleep.
10:57:31 So that's my goal. Or out your calendar. So I have one meeting on the 30 first and I can do it remotely so I will not be in on the 30 first and I can do it remotely so I will
not be in on the 30 first.
10:57:40 I think I've been I think I've raised the Halloween banks in my head because I've only ever had 3 trick or treaters in the 25 years.
10:57:52 So like Curtis Street. We had one adult. That's what we've ever heard.
10:57:57 But I do have a meeting on my model. composting ordinance.
10:58:04 On the 30 first. What department of ecology that work group that I signed up for And then on the first in the evening, there's a leadership team reception for the Olympic Peninsula.
10:58:18 Tourism strategic plan and then a meeting all morning on the second about the strategic plan. Kind of a presentation of the draft, I believe, is what we're doing on the second.
10:58:31 Then I have in the afternoon my federal issues meeting with WASAC. Which by then I hope to have.
10:58:38 An update to the housing section. And then in the evening. And I'm saying this is the public service announcement, Tim McNulty is reading from his new book at the Port Townsend
Library at 7 o'clock.
10:58:51 You don't know, Tim, is that Olympic Peninsula Treasure? No, and he has a beautiful new book on Sammon and, Porus and tribes.
10:59:00 So highly, encourage attendance to that. And then Friday and Saturday that that week, our, is the MRC is annual meeting.
10:59:10 The Maritime Center. And then we're back in action on Monday the sixth. And that week also looks.
10:59:21 Jam packed. Yeah. That's the next couple of weeks. Yeah, so I was gonna I was feeling nervous about.
10:59:32 Hey, BD, on Friday, but I'm. I just have to breathe into it a little bit.
10:59:37 In the forward for Friday. And trust that someone will show up. Record with us before 8 morning before I.
10:59:48 I think but for the members get it early. And they can be on zoom. Right. Do you live broadcast the?
10:59:54 We will, the live broadcasting question. Yeah, there's a lot of creative ideas.
11:00:01 Flying right now. Don't need more brainstorming. I mean, one idea is actually to do vignettes to broadcast at a later KPTC.
11:00:11 Our segments that a later segment. Of a bunch of interviews from, I think is a great idea.
11:00:21 But I just saw that Jim said back that they have very little capacity right now for any extra recording. So.
11:00:24 I gotta make a live show work Friday morning. Wouldn't be live if you did it Friday morning, right? Well, give a live report.
11:00:35 There will be a recording and then broadcast at 1230.
11:00:36 Alright, busy busy. Let's see. I will be here with you guys today. And of course, tomorrow we have the quarterly finance meeting.
11:00:49 The treasurer and orders office. I'm meeting a new business owner down in district 3 after that.
11:00:57 A little later in the day trying to schedule some time with Matt, and public works to talk about closing skate park.
11:01:06 It looks like they're about ready for that. Kind of the last of the ARPA contracts too.
11:01:10 They've got their Cisco sponsorship all lined up as well on the on the group side and I think there's opportunities for our CO, grants for the from the county's perspective.
11:01:20 Be at the budget meeting and then, you know, I've got to do my scoring for the RFP that we are doing on Wednesday.
11:01:29 Will be, hopefully, agreeing on awards for the, great applications that we got.
11:01:36 Once again, Wednesday. Yes, we are doing those on Wednesday. Yeah. And you should have gotten a score sheet.
11:01:50 Maybe we'll get out today. You know, it doesn't. There's a column for eligibility for 53 86 or 1590.
11:01:59 Trying to get another one out because remember some things qualify for yeah we're working at a little early I think.
11:02:10 So that'll be a big meeting. And Thursday we have a Jeffcom meeting still showing up at at least 2 different time zones on my calendar.
11:02:20 I try to go to the. Tilt walk on a white Lewis farm. A lot of biotech focus that tilt this year.
11:02:29 So I wanna try to hit a couple of those. Workshops, meeting with the city and DCD on Friday and continue to work on on a white paper about the Glencoe project and kind of braiding
different funding the possibilities of bringing different fundings together and how it should nest with our plan.
11:02:49 Also doing a little more work on the. The great work that's going in our department to work on the Brennan sewer, you know, really trying to figure out what are the possibilities,
what are the restrictions and we've got I think all the right people.
11:03:05 Internally, talking about it right now. So we should, get that white paper pretty about a draft I need to review tomorrow that Amanda Mustaferson did.
11:03:15 And we'll just keep refining that too to try to get some clarity on that issue. And that is the high points this week.
11:03:25 Next week I've got some meetings on the fifth Monday, Jefferson Healthcare is where we'll be on in on the thirtieth and all.
11:03:32 Of course, make it in on Halloween. You know, yeah, can't miss it. Where're your payrollment. Where?
11:03:40 I don't have a pet helmet. And like hiking boots. Okay. Okay, I'm gonna have a little simply for everyone.
11:03:54 I'm not gonna have a little simply for everyone. I'm not gonna, I don't think I'm gonna have to take that. Oh, right.
11:04:00 Well, you know, we need to be a costume appropriate. It was, it turns into a sidekick.
11:04:07 I don't know. Oh, right. Well, you're gonna need to be, costume appropriate. Who was, it turns into a sidekick? I don't know.
11:04:14 I they're having a public meeting. Folks are real frustrated at the court level with the, Manganese problems they have, which is an ongoing problem, but there's, I don't know,
that plus the staffing issues they're having.
11:04:28 I mean, and the rate increase that was battled and you know that they didn't win but that the battle probably is going to add to more rate increase, you know, so.
11:04:39 I'm just go there that to. Listen and you know, there's not a lot to contribute to that.
11:04:44 And then on the second, it might cover in EDC for you, Kate. I think that there is a scheduled meeting on November second Thursday.
11:04:54 I also have a broadband WASAC meeting that I Usually skip because. I'm planning to be there.
11:05:03 Okay.
11:05:06 If you wanted to attend. If. You know, recomputes is We'll see if they're if they're ready for that.
11:05:15 I might ask if I could. Okay, attending your. Yeah, and I do have a 1Â h overlapping conflict.
11:05:24 So have some. So yeah, maybe we wait and see with the agenda. Okay. Then we have, NOPC, the North Olympic.
11:05:30 Peninsula Recompete Coalition, kind of, after action on Friday the third.
11:05:38 Hopefully we'll know about the status of our application as well. I think supposed to at least.
11:05:48 That's what they say. And then then on Saturday the fourth we'll go down to Brennan for another It's.
11:05:54 And then, then on Saturday the fourth, we'll go down to Brennan for another Desiallops River collaborative meeting.
11:05:55 And that's my next couple weeks and then back again, of course, with you guys. On the sixth.
11:06:04 Mark, how are your next couple of weeks? Okay, this week of course with with board.
11:06:13 Tomorrow's a busy one. Quarterly finance committee meeting at 8 30 and I'll have to leave that.
11:06:20 Really, I've got a meeting over TCD. With all the integral players and that's a follow on from the meeting that, Heidi and I had with Sherry, our contract project manager.
11:06:34 What time is that? 9 39 31 okay If you'd like, I'd be interested.
11:06:41 It's gonna be a size of group. So, well, hopefully it will fit. I don't, I don't need that.
11:06:47 Yeah, I can send you the agenda and yeah, you can, you know, Yeah, I'll certainly report back.
11:06:59 Then at 1130, I'm meeting with Ken Huguenot and Mike. From IT to talk about barracuda and migrating.
11:07:06 That's, to the cloud. And then, oh, well, it's still be the same interface for us.
11:07:22 Just let me get transparent to you. But hopefully that migration grows better than the email. But I'm asking, will we still be accessing the same system just on the cloud?
11:07:31 Hopefully that migration. But I'm asking, will we still be accessing the same system just on the cloud?
11:07:36 The problem we're so, Yeah, this investing would be And then the 18 and then up here together at 2 and the 18 meeting scheduled for 2 I think is going to be pushed through 30.
11:07:57 Budget meeting, and then I've got a place over for negotiations with public works team. Hopefully we will actually meet to invest them all there.
11:08:10 Then on Thursday, John, 9 1 one. Board meeting. And then on, Friday, take a mono lunch.
11:08:24 And then my weekly with, Josh Peter, from DCB. Following week and no meeting on Monday.
11:08:34 So that weeks. Likely scheduled I've got a number of recurrent meetings with staff, but mostly that's gonna be for me to do budget work because I've not been engaged with the
budget as much as I should.
11:08:45 What's our timeline for getting it back? Your recommendations? You're on duty. I've recommended budget due on November sixth.
11:08:56 There's no presentation that takes place. With that, it's just, we posted.
11:09:00 Make it available, but I need to schedule a workshop. Next week with the board. Yeah, I promise we do that and we don't have a meeting on the thirtieth and so.
11:09:13 If it's okay with the board, I'll work for. Day next week. I'll schedule that to go over the add requests out of the general fund and Judy and I will.
11:09:25 Have a set of recommendations for you. Okay. So. So that takes me through next week.
11:09:34 Okay. Well, I think it's going to go prep for we got lots of to do over the, yeah.
11:09:42 Okay. Anything else that, you need to attend to this point?
11:09:47 No, we've got all afternoon. We've got all afternoon. All right. Good afternoon.
13:30:54 Alright, here already? Okay. Good afternoon, I will call us back into session for this October 20 third meeting of the Board of County Commissioners.
13:31:07 1 30 here we're going to continue our deliberations. Regard the hearing adopt in the 2,021 version of the IVC and adopting new exceptions.
13:31:16 Men in the definition of ag building, and Title 15. And adopting a commercial fire inspection program.
13:31:28 I'm in the Indian enabling code to the fire marshal and amending titles 2 and 15 of the Jefferson County code.
13:31:29 I see you guys did have some, modifications we made. You wanna, we're joined by, several distinguished DCD and prosecuting attorney staff.
13:31:39 You want to go over some of the changes, Phil? Oh, absolutely. So we have going on here in response to some of the public, comments that we've received.
13:31:49 We've the minutes of the language. One of the first ones I do, the, chapter, section 4, and this was the exemption that we talked about that was had increased 300 to $3,000.
13:32:01 So what we did in preparation of potentially. Higher dollar value in our, space is that we Define some exemptions that would not be included within the dollar figure.
13:32:17 And those would be things that we already have established for that would not meet the dollar threshold. So such as a water heater permit, a remove permanent mechanical permit.
13:32:25 Life safety upgrades such as firewall modifications or other. And other permits determined necessary by the.
13:32:33 So I think that pretty much. Mitigates a lot of the issues that we would have.
13:32:39 Unforeseen consequences for increasing that. So I didn't leave it up to the board should they decide that that dollar figure needs to be amended further.
13:32:48 I'm okay with the, with the language they're being proposed here. So the number is still at $3,000 with the language you're comfortable with the 5 or $10,000 numbers that we
list again our caution going too terribly fine with it.
13:33:07 Okay. I'd be more comfortable with the $5,000, and the 10,000, I'd be more, because of the implications, wanna encourage folks to do things that would have a life safety application
or anything, I'd be leery to, to raise that too.
13:33:20 And it was pointed out and seemed reasonable to me too to just take away the dollar figure and just leave it as a definition.
13:33:27 What do you what do you think about that concept? I think there was one. You guys wanna talk about these as we go through them or would you like to hear all the changes first?
13:33:38 Sorry, I just jumped in with questions. I don't have a preference. Let's keep talking about this.
13:33:45 Okay. So we're still talking about. Section 4, exception one, number 14.
13:33:50 Hmm. Yeah, I'm interested in kind of the the practicality of it. You know, if it is.
13:34:02 Helpful to have a dollar figure that makes this. You know, enforceable. In some way, I want to give you the tools that you feel are useful.
13:34:13 But if it is something that's going to be very difficult to kind of prove or achieve.
13:34:20 That it seems cumbersome. And so I think that's the understanding I. I would like to have.
13:34:27 Agreed, I think going much higher than this $3,000 limit. Would be something cumbersome.
13:34:35 Neighboring jurisdictions, not all jurisdictions use a dollar figure for this. For example, Cloud Country is still 7 1,500.
13:34:44 Because I was in here adjusting something in the title 15 I thought that this would be an appropriate opportunity to provide a little bit more with me for flexibility to citizens
for that but again if it's It's gonna prove to cumbersome as you say, and then that could be a possibility.
13:35:02 Well, how often has this been? Utilized. I mean, how often you said, all right, show me the $1,500 worth of receipts.
13:35:11 I never have. So it's more maybe for the property owner to provide for them to give them some idea of what type of minor project.
13:35:21 So, what's minor, right? I mean, that's what it was designed for. That's what I was just trying to modify the definition of minor.
13:35:34 $1,500. You can't do hardly. 3,000, you know, granted not a large dollar amount still for home improvement projects, but doubling.
13:35:44 It's for people reading and it's not really for enforcement. And I just, anyone that's with us here from the staff to have a comment, Josh, like you had something to add.
13:35:53 Just come on up and use the microphones. Everyone can hear you, but we would welcome your input.
13:35:57 Yeah.
13:36:02 As Bill said, we don't run into this. So even though it says here, you know, show us the receipts essentially to claim the exemption.
13:36:08 Generally don't get into that situation probably because as you mentioned during the last discussion last week. While people do minor work.
13:36:16 And that's okay. I think it's best, it's best utilized if we ever got into a situation where We recognize unpermitted work, whether it was to another application or a complaint
or something like that.
13:36:28 Then we can go into the process. That's okay, how minor was this work? I mean, that would, that's where I think the utility is of having a threshold.
13:36:36 If you say, look, you're the receipts for the work, it's minor, it's okay, then you're exactly the building permit for that.
13:36:41 But as we noted, there are some things that, We still should have the permanent, at least some of these other mechanical experiments, the water.
13:36:52 That are like safety issues as the building official mentioned, escalate this number too high, then I think it increases risk.
13:37:00 We have the cheap, we have the civil deputy prosecuting turning for Lenny's. That matters to to talk about it as well, but just from a risk management perspective, so the higher
the threshold, the more likely that people are gonna do work that really should have gotten a building permit.
13:37:14 This is an optional section. We could leave it the way it was. We could change the dollar threshold.
13:37:19 Or we could get rid of it. I mean, if we're gonna talk about Picking out the dollar figure.
13:37:27 I don't want to say that. We should get rid of this section period because without the dollar figure then we get into the debate about what's minor.
13:37:31 And that's some of the reason why we even did the, we're, That one we have gotten to a lot of debates about.
13:37:41 So we wanted clarification and specificity in the rules so that we wouldn't have to discuss it so much with both.
13:37:47 Questions or comments? Reading over it with the eye towards getting rid of it. Like if it makes it simpler to get rid of it.
13:37:57 Does it really make it simpler for you as staff?
13:38:02 As far as code compliance is concerned, I think that it could potentially make it actually simpler because there's no dollar figure that would have to be proven, you know, or
a time period for 12 months or something.
13:38:17 Again, the idea behind this, I do believe that the spirit of this was to provide some flexibility and some of these just homeowners that were doing minor projects.
13:38:27 So. You need any? Well, I mean, they're try by removing the exception entirely.
13:38:34 I think it's what Jostra said. And I think that would. It would presumably, put people in a situation where they were less conscious of whether they should do a permit or I
mean, you know, so I don't know.
13:38:45 I mean, I get that even. That it is something that you can.
13:38:50 That clear up a debate with having a number figure so I get that and also as a guideline to you know homeowners doing doing it themselves this guideline could be helpful.
13:39:05 I appreciate, you know, Bill interest the building officials interest in bringing it up over 1,500 which I think we can all agree is pretty absurd I guess I would still want
to make it, you know, with especially since the like.
13:39:19 It's been explained a little bit more. There's caveats to this exception. I would be more comfortable with $5,000 just because.
13:39:25 You know, you can do. Re doing a couple of boards on your fence can hit $3,000 in you know 15 feet it seems like these days so it just I don't know.
13:39:41 Yeah, skilled people doing projects that are that don't have a life safety. Superficial remodeling, you know.
13:39:52 That the right word.
13:39:57 And like, again, you'd hit, you could hit any dollar threshold pretty easily and wouldn't be hitting the intent, which is to protect.
13:40:05 People from risk associated with. That works. I know I'm not being helpful because I really can see this very clearly from 2 sides that contradict each other.
13:40:21 May I put a new stove in this year with
13:40:25 Could have cost more than $3,000 very easily. Should I have gotten a permit to take out one stove and put a new stove in.
13:40:32 I mean, that's sincerely a question. I've replaced the water heater and needed the per minute.
13:40:45 That's because it was connected to natural gas. That's because it was connected to natural gas.
13:40:46 And so it needed to be inspected. Right, there are a variety of reasons why. Purpose and inspections are required.
13:40:52 And so better to have a building official make that determination than a member of the company.
13:41:03 I'm fine with it and I do agree with increasing it to $5,000. I feel like the the 1,500 3,000 numbers to scale, If this ever got traction.
13:41:16 That would be a lot of work.
13:41:21 And this is of course a backstop for all the other. Language around what is required to get a permit.
13:41:30 Sorry, I know that we're not trying to cover all bases here. You know, this doesn't include.
13:41:36 It doesn't. So I'm just trying to get it. Let's see the intent.
13:41:43 Okay.
13:41:49 Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm not super helpful. I would agree that.
13:41:53 I would rather see the amount of increase. If they're gonna keep it as is. And you know, it's like these things only become necessary when we really need them when there's a
problem. Right.
13:42:06 And then what's the enforcement mechanism? Is it just Phil brandishing a sword? You're established if we have work that you know has has a has completed generated in our, division,
you know, we can go there and have a dollar figure and fall back.
13:42:26 Okay. Well, I just did a little bit of work. And, to do that, a pale and what did you do?
13:42:32 You know, so I think from an enforcement aspect it probably would help us. So I think from an enforcement aspect, it probably would help us.
13:42:39 It was kind of all enough. We're going to either define it on the figure or strike. It would be my preference.
13:42:47 And get them to the board.
13:42:51 . That's the word I was looking for, cosmetic. So in that case.
13:42:57 You know, it's activities that are largely not permitted. Don't require from an in and up itself, right?
13:43:10 And I should, I should also, this is a list of things where it says number 14 is already a list of things versus number 14.
13:43:15 There's already a list of 13 other extensions in the IVC, but for example, 14, there's already a list of 13 other exemptions in the IVC, but for example painting.
13:43:18 Yeah. What you're having about the cosmetic. And they won't be in all the techniques.
13:43:21 So this is an addition to that in addition to those exemptions. And also this one actually puts in.
13:43:30 So there this doesn't mean this is the only thing. I think of it by sort of by the letter of the code.
13:43:35 Installing these few boards here, technically, but require a billing permit because it's such a minor bit of work and we would example for you to get a build.
13:43:46 I think that's the sphere of mine. And the idea. And so that's why we're cautioning against 22 high on the Once you get into a certain version, I understand that things cost
more these days, but.
13:43:55 It just elevates the risk. Something happens, let's just say for a moment, and then they say.
13:44:01 Well, the county's eggs. Said that I didn't have to get a permit. And then there was a situation, now we're in a different kind of argument.
13:44:09 In a different. No, I see the rationale behind wanting a dollar figure and Appreciate these caveats that allow us to go.
13:44:18 Higher than 3. I guess I'd say.
13:44:23 I could leave with 5, you know, and I think it's a guideline as much as anything.
13:44:29 And the RCW still says 1,500. Do you right? You're talking about this. This is an optional thing in the building code.
13:44:38 It's an optional addition to those list that Phil just mentioned. Okay. There's no RCW or no dollar figure.
13:44:41 We just noticed that ours was 1,500 just like Clouds and stillings and we just thought oh. Maybe we should pop that up a little bit.
13:44:47 That's really how we got here. There's no dollars. I'll specify. Yeah, this is this is something in addition to.
13:44:57 Gotcha. And. You know, again, I think. We use tools like this when there's an issue, right?
13:45:05 So if somebody spent. More than $5,000 on paint and tile and I don't know where there's maybe a gray area.
13:45:16 That if it's something that's not a safety concern, you probably would not be. Exercising this, but if it were, if there were some trigger for life safety.
13:45:28 You would rely on. Yes, so how many issues can you add regarding the $1,500? We've had none because technically the way this is, someone would come to the building for official
with an idea and some net cost estimate or maybe the receipts and this and that and then we say, oh yeah, that's exact.
13:45:51 But that doesn't happen. People tend to do small projects. And Alright, so it's not really an issue in reality.
13:46:02 I think as still explain if we ever got into a situation in reality. I think as they'll explain if we ever got into a situation where we're reviewing, respecting a property
for another permit and then there's other work, respecting the property for another permit and then this other work, we're viewing, respecting the property for another permit and then
this other work, you know, had been done, but clearly it
13:46:16 hadn't been permitted and we could have a discussion around whether they're someone needs to get a building, built without premise permit or whether it was exempt under whatever
threshold.
13:46:25 No, Barbara, is there anything you'd like to add? You don't have to.
13:46:32 I think you've laid out the issues pretty well. It's, certainly. You know, in the code compliance realm.
13:46:41 We would never go after anybody or cosmetic remodel purposes. That's very low on that.
13:46:49 Totem pole in terms of priorities and code compliance and so you know, I just don't see that happening as a practical matter.
13:46:58 But we do need the tool that there were say, you know, support issues and the house or something like that.
13:47:07 We might need that tool in order to enforce. So it would be helpful. It's hard to argue with people sometimes.
13:47:16 We don't have public. Comments. We have hearing. I mean, I think we've, I think we understand.
13:47:26 Yeah, we've had and we had more public comment over the weekend written. I think we understand the issues and Mr. Cheers has pointed out that it is actually there is $1,500
threshold in RCW.
13:47:40 Yeah, he's often, he steps ahead of us.
13:47:44 So does this just confuse the situation even more if they? Just looking up. Yeah. In some ways, he got it out.
13:47:57 And I think this was just a matter of again, I think this was just a matter of again, I think this was just a matter of again, I think when we were drafting these changes, we're
just thinking, oh, I think this was just a matter of again, I think when we were drafting these changes, I think when we were drafting these changes, we were just thinking, oh, maybe
that $1,500 is not a date.
13:48:06 And maybe threshold in varsity. I would actually as I did last week when I said let's stick to the definition I was able to stick to that.
13:48:11 And again, it hasn't been an issue before, don't, there are other things to state called like in the world shorelines.
13:48:18 There's the whole threshold between when is the substantial development permit or permanent exemption. Yeah, similar to that.
13:48:23 So I think if someone out there and state government has picked the the number, with that. I mean, prerogative.
13:48:31 So again, I think it is. References to groups. 1989.
13:48:42 But that had been, changed, right? I mean.
13:48:50 Okay. Effective one year after July, 9. Yeah.
13:49:04 Sometimes we're trying to. Rewrite out of date.
13:49:18 Unfortunately, I think we started that.
13:49:24 Hmm. Hmm.
13:49:32 Got there with. Good.
13:49:40 So, would be better without this section.
13:49:44 Feels like it to me. Just because This feels really out of date. And.
13:49:53 It's never been an issue. And if an issue arose.
13:49:59 We would have to refer to the RCW, correct? So it feels like it's. Yes, that's extra.
13:50:10 Text and talking and work for everybody.
13:50:14 Thank you. And just to clarify this section already exists in our code. And this whole thing started because we just changed the words.
13:50:26 1,503 times. Trying to be more reasonable. Sorry about that. You never know.
13:50:36 But it might mean whether it be doing by brochure or whether it be doing the code. Keeping some of the extra stuff we put in there to make sure that people understand the dollar
threshold doesn't apply to these other types of premise or really leave that up to you because that is how it is regardless of what it says here.
13:50:50 So. With that said, unless Barbara has a, I think, is saying that because of that RCW, which is outdated.
13:50:58 St a specific dollar figure. We'd recommend just keeping that dollar figure. And it's up to you whether you want to add.
13:51:04 This other language that says in this example that's not a clean corner or the interesting of the way it was.
13:51:10 Those days, I was 18. This RCW was a as recently as 2018, but not that piece of it.
13:51:26 There was that the last time it was amended was to change, to allow for tiny homes in the ABC.
13:51:31 Yeah, and I don't pretend to know what the state billing bill council or other entities were thinking it's probably they have this other list of exemptions that Phil mentioned
like whatever else.
13:51:41 Yeah, so those exemptions that are connected in life safety, maybe they just felt like this other one.
13:51:45 Underutilized it might be it's just there for very modern projects.
13:51:51 I mean, because that then it actually loses like I could see that being utility and somebody calling DCD and saying, when do I need to get get a permit?
13:52:00 And you know, that's one of the things you can say under $5,000. But it seems even less useful at $1,500.
13:52:11 Cause that's like. Goodbye a few cans of paint and that's about it. 2 posts.
13:52:21 I don't have any to get to ask a question very much either. All the questions we got.
13:52:23 I don't get this. You get this question? Not typically, you know, or we'll have somebody call and say, you know, I need to replace 5 of my deck boards.
13:52:31 Yeah, so, it's, it's, it's, but if someone's rebuilding their deck, you know, you know, that's something, look at, from a building home perspective.
13:52:46 And, I'm not sure if there's a question for Barbara or someone else, but does this fall under, the situation where if the state, whichever jurisdiction has a stricter.
13:52:58 Statue that is what becomes the. The, the RCW as a. Disability. That you shall not exceed. And so it says that very clearly.
13:53:12 And because of that we can't. In the email.
13:53:17 Okay.
13:53:28 And again, we apologize for you. Then bring this up. You're gonna. It's like, I snnapped on a groundwash for Nest.
13:53:41 We'll be talking about it right now. Can we just take it out? Number 14 and talk about number 15.
13:53:45 Well, we gotta do something with you when I remove that exception or do you want to, I mean, do we have to reference the dollar figure if it's counter productive?
13:53:58 I think if you don't reference it the . It says you can't see $1,500 right
13:54:12 If you wanted to go with the times, you could say, does not exceed the dollar threshold.
13:54:16 That's stated in RCW, blah, blah, blah. And that way.
13:54:18 They change it then. We're already good. Yeah, it's interesting. They do have a section in the same statues that.
13:54:29 The governing bodies of counties and cities may amend the codes and in rated here as amended and adopted by the state building code council.
13:54:36 As they apply within their respective jurisdictions, but the amendments shall not result in a code that is less than the minimum performance standards and objectives contained
in the state building code except it's provided in subsection 2.
13:54:50 It's just jail. It's the state building code except it's provided in subsection 2. It's just jail. Sprinkler systems.
13:54:54 Well, this
13:54:58 Right. Let's see. Yeah, it is.
13:55:08 19 and 27 is called state building code. And that's where it does. Yeah.
13:55:16 Oh, 6. I don't know. Yeah, and, 27.
13:55:27 I mean, just this is thinking on the platform, but if we did want to change either sleeve, working the way it is.
13:55:33 Or we've been for the way it was. Where it was. Or you could just say minor construction or all strange activities.
13:55:44 Has defined and RC. Okay, I'm just gonna say that one more time. Oh, sorry.
13:55:51 For interconstruction and observation activities. As described at RCW. Whatever that is. And that way.
13:55:56 Just everything else is We don't have to worry about that. We defining what's already there.
13:56:02 You know. Again, thinking about how a little this actually comes up in the play. But then the 1,500 when Yep, it does anyway.
13:56:15 Even if we make it $100,000, it would apply, right? Right.
13:56:23 And it up in case you change that. So adopted by reference instead of explicitly. And it's I doubt it's helpful, right? Anyone?
13:56:35 Yeah, I mean the $1,500, I think we all agree that really helpful number too.
13:56:39 Right. To. So I like the idea of making it. A reference to the RCW.
13:56:50 Is it?
13:56:58 They do reference different groups and divisions. So ours is referencing group.
13:57:15 Oh yeah, group R 3. But not you. So, R 3 is residential. So they'll be like, single family residence.
13:57:26 And you would be like private geologist. Okay. So that was, I do believe the intent of this was for.
13:57:32 You know, not commercial for single family residents, to have a little bit more flexibility and those type of repair projects.
13:57:43 So do we say, do we include the R 3 and you in. Shorten and say minor construction and alteration activities.
13:57:50 To group R 3 and group U occupancies as defined in the
13:57:56 You can, I'm sorry, I don't have that. The rest of the
13:58:07 We, some businesses.
13:58:12 Doesn't have the Yeah, what about taking out you? Oh, we could that would be, was the utility structures.
13:58:24 But it just, yeah. So, we're looking, linking you to this. Oh really?
13:58:35 Number of things like doing that. Intentionally and unnecessarily. Hmm. Like more things to a 1989.
13:58:50 Yeah, that's what we need to. That makes sense. And maybe you mentioned group M because the RCW does reference it.
13:59:03 So, you know, the small businesses that are doing minor repairs are free to do that. Well, I'm guessing, yeah, that would be like displays, things like that, that are, you know,
relatively low in monetary value. Yeah. Literally, this place is 40 years old.
13:59:15 Yeah. Group, and division one.
13:59:18 . 30
13:59:25 Did you find it? Yeah, I see it. I think maybe give us a minute to rework this thing. Yeah, I see it. I think maybe give us a minute to rework this thing here.
13:59:33 Okay. Okay, yeah, let's we'll pause and let you guys do a little speed drafting and move on to ag buildings, exception number 15.
13:59:44 Yeah.
13:59:53 So.
14:00:00 We could, we could get started. We start talking a little bit about it. With this, this session was admitted to, to reference.
14:00:12 Speak to a lot of the concern that we have from the public. So what we've done here is we're amended, again, the definition of back and cultural structure.
14:00:22 You know, that's a little bit different from the state definition. To include things such as temporary wrong structure and.
14:00:31 Read house, which was something that was, you know, a concern over the last time we met.
14:00:38 So one of the things that we have amended. Spoke specifically to the the plumbing. So under B 2.
14:00:50 The building, okay, plug in for water system necessary for livestock or holder cold water water, it does not require a center system.
14:00:58 It exempt agricultural structure shall not contain flooding related to the human recent occupation. Such as, for 6 bathrooms or kitchens.
14:01:07 One of the things that we close, we could also add to this. Would be 6 bathrooms, connected to the center system just for a little bit more clarity than public.
14:01:18 A little bit further to find. That was at the request of public health. To be a little bit more clear as to exactly what type of planning was still.
14:01:27 With these, it's not saying that you can have, You would need a permit for that plumbing infrastructure, you know, or if it was going to be a place of.
14:01:38 That you were gonna make the public 18 is not that you can't do that but you would require a building permit to do that.
14:01:46 Because we need to be evaluated for ingress and egress, you know, potentially accessibility. Rest rooms, all those sorts of things would come into play if there was something
that was going to happen on a normal basis.
14:01:54 You know this is not something that for farm tumors you know we're not trying to pick on the farm tours or have you know any of that have a tourism.
14:02:04 I mean, that's, it, but we do want to make sure that the public. They have a right to do a basic level.
14:02:14 So can I someone brought up in written comments just the idea of a sync. And I know it says here, you know, related to him, use and activations to just seeing bathrooms or kitchens,
but I think.
14:02:26 They've added though connected to a septic system is what they just suggest. Clause was supposed to be about.
14:02:33 Development that requires a And you can see where maybe left off that phrase in second sentence of that one clause and you can add that sentence.
14:02:42 Connected to a septic system to reflect back to the first image. You can still feel watching. You could be exempt from a building permit for an agricultural structure.
14:02:52 If it doesn't require a septic system, however, if your type of sync is the type of thing that's connected to your subject system?
14:02:59 Well, that's that's not what the attention of the agricultural reception was. Therefore, you need a permit.
14:03:04 If you have a basin, a wash basin that's draining into the pasture that's not connected to your subject system.
14:03:08 Well, that's that's different. So I think B 2 needs to be clear about because it's different.
14:03:20 So I think B 2 needs to be clearer though because it's. That there's making a suggestion that they add the clause right after kitchens It explicitly says the building may contain
plumbing for a watering system necessary for livestock or horticultural and watering.
14:03:30 It doesn't talk about a basin for. Rinsing your pots or whatever. But they're excluding making all those they don't have to explain all the uses you could have a sync for what
they're doing as if it's connected to a septic system is when you do All the positive.
14:03:51 . the following additional requirements that exempt agricultural structure shall not contain plumbing related to M use in occupation.
14:04:01 Why don't we just say that instead of the first sentence there.
14:04:07 I don't know. It just. Feels like the extra words make it less clear. To me, in reading it.
14:04:17 Understood. So I think it's part of this is in reference to. One of the asks of the board the first time.
14:04:24 To include the term portal culture in there, cause we just had livestock previously. So I think this was an attempt to try to bring that full circle.
14:04:37 And bring all those definitions in. Because portal culture had been left off. And,
14:04:43 I support your amendments there. I worry a little bit that it opens the door. For the interpretation that you could have a bathroom or a kitchen in an agricultural building
not put that to a setting system.
14:05:00 Right. Which. It is not out of the Cause you still talk about the septic system in the first sentence.
14:05:16 So maybe there's additional, you know, on an attempt to be clear, we are being less clear.
14:05:22 That was just my reading first reading of it.
14:05:39 Cause what you can use it is for horticulture agricultural uses.
14:05:44 You can add, you know, not, it does not require a septic system for human use or whatever.
14:05:52 Personally, I'd be planning that. We have a brochure that goes along with this where we can explain a little bit more.
14:06:00 We can explain a little bit more. Our intent was to be clear with people because some people build things. A little bit more. Our attempt was to be clear with people because
some people build things very innovative and creative things.
14:06:06 But then they say . And then there's sometimes there's a question. Is it really in that building?
14:06:10 You got a bathroom in it and a kitchen and you know so forth So if it's clear enough, you think, just to have that first sentence, we can add other information or when we talk
to people, we can save all the things they can't.
14:06:23 But. Yeah, I mean, I did think that we could. Just narrow it down to the person who wanted to.
14:06:30 We're trying to be helpful in explaining. A little more clearly what we thought was a little more clearly, but if it's not clear, then I think the first sense works.
14:06:42 And we can use the second centers as part of a brochure or something. Okay. My only concern about that is the very limiting.
14:06:54 Use of watering. So even in horticulture there's a initial just washing of produce and the hands.
14:07:09 . I don't know that you could you could say that's not watering. I don't know that you could, you could say that's not watering.
14:07:18 So that could be, lifestyle or horticulture use. Yeah, that was part of my desire to get rid of that first part.
14:07:21 But I think the next part of it does not require a second system is what really comes if you're adding deceptive capacity, it's going to require an apartment.
14:07:31 So, yeah, what you're saying, just, we're livestock or portraculture use instead of the second use of the So that I think that's fine.
14:07:43 Yeah, Yeah. Thanks, Karen, part of the issue.
14:07:55 Repeating the word watering in same. Hmm.
14:08:07 Again, you only, the only other thing, would be different from the copy. Was the the third B 3 if you will the building make attorney need to get a heat source for agricultural
purposes.
14:08:22 What must obtain a wood stone permit or a. So as one of the comments pointed out that this left the door open to Not allowing propane and that was not the intent of this.
14:08:35 So. We're proposing some sort of a change to. The building maintain a huge source.
14:08:43 For our culture purposes, but must obtain a mechanical permit, which would cover. Any type of a human source.
14:08:51 So I'll be able to natural gas propane, whatever you want. That makes sense.
14:09:02 Yeah. Hmm. That's good. And then about 4, you're gonna talk to you, I know you, talked about farm toys and things, you know, intermittent public use is like, what have you defined
public use?
14:09:16 You know, if I Open my greenhouse one day a year. Is that a public use or are you talking more like, let's have a barn dance in here.
14:09:25 Hello, Barbara, do you have any kind of? I don't, but, I mean, I would think it would be something where there was a and, to people that you don't know.
14:09:40 Like a farm tour. Right.
14:09:45 May not be in place used by the public. I go back to the original and session of the agricultural reception.
14:09:54 If you have a building and it's exact from a building, that's because it's going to be used as an agricultural structure.
14:09:58 That's its purpose. If it's to serve the public even in an intermediate, it's really going to be on you.
14:10:06 We want to do that. I don't think it's I don't think the county should be saying that's okay if it's a day or an hour or anything like that because that's what it says here.
14:10:14 I think that's a different use. If you want to have more of an agricultural thing where you're inviting the public in whether it's one day a year or every day.
14:10:22 Then get a perfect for it. Then you also worry about that but that's the reason why we have those.
14:10:27 And most farm tours I've been on, you're gonna actually go in. Some people still poke their nose in.
14:10:33 I also, you know, practically speaking, I don't think it's an issue. Do you stroll through someone's screenhouse?
14:10:39 I'm just saying, I don't think. We necessarily wanna say. Much about that.
14:10:45 Hmm. Other thoughts or questions on that? No, that makes sense. That rationale makes sense.
14:10:53 Yeah, I'm not, and I'm not too worried about it. Yeah. Hello, Don't let the public drive your tractor.
14:11:01 I do have a recreational vehicle that is a farm vehicle. I mean, it's that's what we use it for all the time.
14:11:08 I mean, so. And we store it in that building. So thank you for saying that because we got a comment about that.
14:11:16 So. The main purpose here again was. If you want a structure to house vehicles, like regular.
14:11:25 Geraldine, call those garages. If you have an agricultural structure. They can have exempt vehicles in there, those vehicles that qualify as, and that can go to, yeah, though
it's not license.
14:11:38 I mean, it's not license. And so yeah, that was the basic differentiation. And And I believe where the with the differentiation that can't, that is that.
14:11:47 So a vehicle that's used on the road can have a farm exemption. So that would classify as a private vehicle necessarily.
14:11:56 So that's where we're coming from on that. You know, any vehicles, you know, will really be to be stored our agricultural exam otherwise it would be a.
14:12:09 You know we're not trying to take away from ATVs or tractors, a truck that is licenses upon vehicle.
14:12:16 Well, I think you should just. Closet differently. So just like as an example, this building still not be used for the storage of private automobiles or trucks that are which
are not licensed as farm equipment for other vehicles.
14:12:31 Which are used for, you know, such as tractors or You know, I don't know you get around recreational vehicle.
14:12:40 I mean, I can get it some aren't farm vehicles, but many are. You know, we have a UTV, would carry hay around in, right?
14:12:46 So it is. It's not a license vehicle because we don't take it on the road, but the trucks or the automobiles that are used on the roads can't be licensed.
14:12:53 They need to be licensed as foreign vehicles, but. Oh, carve out a caveat for tractors.
14:12:58 In other . It's horrible little with Dear Track. I don't think you might bring that up in public session.
14:13:10 Okay. Well, I mean, I've seen a lot of arms use those little electric trucks for our small tracks for, yeah, our small tracks.
14:13:20 Yeah, that's, I mean, I think the way it's constructed, Oh, those trucks are these or other vehicles that are not licenses firm equipment.
14:13:32 So if you are licenses for any of those things, Then you're fine. But most tractors and, gaiters and, and, and, like, like, said about you don't get license because you only
use them on the farm so you don't take them on the road so you don't need to get them on the farm so you don't take them on the road so you don't need to get them
14:13:47 right. And so saying where does, where does that? Or something, right? We're, a little further up under, correct, yeah, right, more, a little further up under, a, one, it also
says that, a little further up under, correct, yeah, right, more, more, a little further up under, one, it also says that, need to structure design and constructed the house farm. So
I think that goes in the same.
14:14:06 Bing's form, you know, at what point do we call It's attractive tool. There's an example.
14:14:09 I mean, it's not. I don't think the spirit of this any. We was to limit that is the limit.
14:14:16 We don't want people using these as, you know, having vehicle collections. Right. Thanks to Clover, we're not like going on the phone, looking looking looking, looking, for
when we get into debates with people about, hey, I built this structure, I want to build this structure, I want to build this structure.
14:14:32 And it's an, it's exactly because of your agricultural exemption. What kind of say, well, is it really though?
14:14:40 Right. Look at what's being used for as a whole. And it really, it's being used for a garage or studio or something else.
14:14:48 That just doesn't apologize for this. I think we understand that. You know, it's the turn of phrase there is vague to me as well as, you know, some members of the public.
14:14:59 And I really just think restructuring that sentence would.
14:15:04 Make it much clear.
14:15:07 You know the
14:15:10 Yeah. Which are not licensed as farm equipment or used in the operations of the farm. Yeah, I'd be fine with that.
14:15:25 Vehicles. That are used in the operation of a farm that are not licensed. Can't we just say private vehicles and take out all of the automobiles trucks recreational vehicles
and other vacant?
14:15:36 Just say Right. Because people use like storage of our views and trucks like any people do that either commercially or but they're not licensed.
14:15:48 Okay, can't it just be simplified to say? The building shall not be used for the storage of private vehicles, which are not licensed as farm equipment.
14:15:57 That just seems. You don't have to license. Oh, yeah, I mean. Which are not licensed as farm equipment.
14:16:05 Licenses, prime equipment, the tractor. Primarily used for.
14:16:16 It just feels like there's extra words clogging it up and creating confusion. That's all.
14:16:21 I'm sorry.
14:16:35 So, when I offer something based on what you're saying. The building shall not be used for the storage.
14:16:44 Vehicles that are not licensed or used as. Yeah. I could look at that.
14:16:54 Good. Thank you. I love that brain over there.
14:17:04 Okay. Thank you.
14:17:11 Plains, at all this. Little red wagon. That's my little red wagon. Mike, Molly, and skiing travel. Yeah. Is it license?
14:17:27 No, but you can't take it on the road. I did take it across the street the other day.
14:17:35 You're right. You take out the clause about the building official having a that was going last. Let me take that out now.
14:17:45 Okay, because It was causing trouble. The building code. It all, yeah, yeah, okay. That's it. We're done.
14:17:59 Yeah. So I just don't want I want to give you the tools that you don't have to have this, debate.
14:18:04 So I understand the reason that it went in and support the reason that it went in and support that intention.
14:18:08 Well, in general, I think the work that you did here. Really much better reflect some type of agriculture we have and provides for a few different types of agriculture.
14:18:18 Which is what we have here. And, so thank you for your willingness. And actually really like the greenhouse.
14:18:28 Oh, thank you. Yeah, thanks for your work on this. I know it's sometimes painful, right?
14:18:35 Writing by editing by committee. Farm focus commissioners, micromanaging the language.
14:18:45 Hey, other thoughts? I think we're still fine with the commercial fire safety inspection program and, if the IBC is ever adopted, but, Yeah, I don't know.
14:19:04 What do you, do we just go straight to 24 and 25? Pretty good after Friday actually.
14:19:10 Was that the Washington Association of Fire Marshals Convention in Lake Chland. And I got a little.
14:19:17 Insider information and the stability of council is going into a special session to engage. And. And we're just, to adopt.
14:19:30 This is significant changes of the 2021 fire code. Just the particle. And actually implemented in that another 20.
14:19:40 In preparation for potentially skipping the 21. Gotcha. So, that was still getting, you know, all of the essential life safety things that were identified.
14:19:53 And get the state to adopt those and kind of an interesting way, which makes this all the more important that we do it this way and that we adopt by lack.
14:20:01 So that way, no matter what they do, where is the most current that we can be. Barbara, if you get in the meeting, you can share your screen.
14:20:10 I don't know if you've got text. Yeah, I'm trying to I'm trying to get that.
14:20:20 Well, thanks for that insight. And yeah, I'm happy to adopt by reference. I think that's the right way to do with this.
14:20:27 Other questions? I think Barbara's furiously scribbling our the The first, the, for, for, for, for, section, 14, over there.
14:20:37 Marketing to send this to you.
14:20:42 Should I just send this copy to you?
14:20:49 Yeah.
14:21:27 Good one.
14:21:33 There's an updated, language.
14:21:47 Josh, I'm guessing this is more Josh question question. But, Interesting of all the.
14:21:57 Some of the egg uses we're talking about here. And thinking about the agricultural zoning. Does.
14:22:07 Do we check for alignment with the use table? You know, there's certain things that are allowed in egg zoning.
14:22:14 There's
14:22:15 Is it, can we assume that it's consistent with uses? Like I know that I buildings are talked about in land use, I believe, and is that?
14:22:25 I kept getting confused at the game, cause I spent more time with the on the land use side of egg than with per day.
14:22:36 So going back in time a little bit here, Sarah, 2,005, the GMA was invented to include accessory uses to agriculture.
14:22:44 Link, agriturism. And also the farmover housing revisions. We took advantage of that because we were in the middle of a cycle talking about adding and, the, the state had adopted.
14:22:55 And then we also opened up. An opportunity for anyone who wanted to be considered ag to be, for, and anyone is a big statement, but anyone with sort of parcels that made sense
for that.
14:23:08 To be considered as a group rather than both an individual site-specific content amendments or rezone applications.
14:23:16 And I memory this is all based on memory, but I feel like it scores of properties for a zone at that time.
14:23:22 And so those properties can take advantage of the accessory uses to agricultural revisions. They have the protections actually.
14:23:30 In a sense, from neighboring parcels. Complaining about agricultural activities in some ways because there there's that sort of warning clauses that go a lot with.
14:23:39 Who's that? I'm being next to the property that's on. This barn issue or agricultural structure issue I don't think it is associated strictly with zoning.
14:23:49 So in other words, you could have an agricultural exact parcel and a rural residential parcel, 10 acres, whatever it is.
14:23:57 But that's the problem. But like, the, tourism, does that conflict with the public being able to access certain buildings?
14:24:04 It would in the sense that you were having If you were inviting a public onto your property for Aquatourism for access.
14:24:12 Activities and agriculture and you're inviting them into structures that had received a billing permit.
14:24:20 We're a life safety review then. I could be an issue. Yeah, you'd be taking on risk doing that.
14:24:25 So that's an issue. There are other title, 18. Issues that come to play here like.
14:24:31 Just because you're accepted from a building permit doesn't mean you don't have to think about anything in terms of where you place an agricultural structure.
14:24:39 There's an example. I certainly don't want to say which farm because Not necessary here, but at least an example where There were, you know, someone bought a place, it had a
bunch of buildings all over it.
14:24:51 And the claim was that all of them should be actuously exempt. I think in the end it turned out to some of them more or so more.
14:24:58 But there were some buildings. Regardless of that status that we're too close to a stream and we're in a So I just want to clear that just because you don't need to get a permit
for a barn or something like that or an agricultural storage shed doesn't mean you should just put it anywhere and you have another process for that's in a different title so that's
part gonna be part of our
14:25:19 brochure. People understand that. Might be in the, is your view if there's a question or whether you're too close to a feature like that.
14:25:25 A critical area because it ended up that we had to do some rectification there so to deal with the impacts conservation districts updated and helped out quite a bit in that
regard because they I was a formal farm plan that was stuck kind of above.
14:25:39 Plan worked out with them then. And, involves some planting in some other areas that can't, environment, but I guess I'll set some of those impact.
14:25:48 The placement of those examples. So that right for the accessory use of the public to come on the That right does not include the ability of the public to enter any building.
14:26:02 The property owner would still be responsible for not allowing public access to the non-permative structure. Does that make sure that we're not?
14:26:09 Putting, yeah, having conflicting code. I guess I know we kind of talked about it before with this internet use idea or temporary outdoor use or whatever.
14:26:20 Guess I would say that. So the farm tour issue pushing that to the side for a moment and go back to just your business concept.
14:26:26 So you have. Accessory activities to agriculture or acronym. And it's part of our code and you have and you're doing what that says.
14:26:36 Think it's in your best interest to make sure that those places that you're having people come to in general.
14:26:40 To see something or to participate in an activity or to purchase. Articles or whatever that those spaces are essentially commercial spaces, you know, at a certain scale.
14:26:53 And we'll probably be moving into. To make sure that those were permitted. Appropriately for those uses.
14:26:59 So that's if you're, round model for that activity, right? Every Saturday you have to stand open or whatever people are going to go through the session.
14:27:09 Now if it's like the one time a year, I mean, I think that's a people's own risk.
14:27:12 I just, what I was saying before is that I don't know if we want to be moderating that risk for people.
14:27:16 By saying you can't and can't do certain things based on how long someone's gonna be in a structure.
14:27:22 It'd be more like, between that farm and the public, whether you want people walking through your exact building or not.
14:27:29 Thank you. For the Supreme Court right now. I've got a hypothetical job. All right.
14:27:42 We have some text up there for exception 14.
14:27:45 So that would replaces the other one. So yeah, so the difference here would be, we just replace the whole section that we currently have, which had all those words.
14:27:58 And the 1,500 bucks with reference to the RCW that was pointed out by Mr. But we're proposing to keep these other modifiers there so that people understand.
14:28:10 Yeah. We're proposing to keep these other modifiers there so then people understand the limitations of that.
14:28:14 Alright, we've got a 2 30 scheduled. I think we've made it through stuff since we have made some fundamental changes that the inclined to allow a quick public comment.
14:28:28 . Billing, Contain, Pluming for System, PA, except for
14:28:36 Okay, watering system actually watering goes back into the system. And then quota. Use.
14:28:45 For a wiring system.
14:28:48 Replaced by use.
14:28:51 Yeah.
14:28:55 And then, I mean, we could put watering in front of system just to, that's where I think.
14:29:01 In order to get the word water in there.
14:29:09 And then we've shown up useful storage of vehicles that are not. License or and I would actually take out that watering.
14:29:19 It's done where the cursor is now. It's just plumbing necessary for livestock or horticulture.
14:29:22 That does not require something, right?
14:29:23 Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yep, and I like the vehicle.
14:29:38 You guys gonna look at that? Number 5. Yeah.
14:29:45 Thank you. Okay, Kate seems to be. Still thinking? It can hear people saying that they're 15 hot rods or somehow used as farm equipment.
14:30:00 I was thinking like, you know, something actually used to operate a farm. But it's, it's, it's something actually used to operate a farm.
14:30:09 But it's, it's still their hairs. I mean, we're trying to enable the building official that.
14:30:11 Not have debates and I think it's I think it's quite enough but is it clear enough for you Phil?
14:30:22 It was much clearer to me, so I appreciate that extra time. Okay. Well, if folks are ready, I would, I would take a motion and then because we have made some substantial changes,
but open it up for, changes, but open it up for a public.
14:30:48 . You know, it's close to written as well. But I mean, we still process public comment. This wouldn't be hearing testimony.
14:30:53 You'd Okay. I believe so. I mean, Okay. I move that we, we adopt an ordnance amending Jefferson County code, Title 15.
14:31:06 As presented today. There's a minute today.
14:31:14 I'm happy to second that, but are we are we not? Adopting audio. Is it it's all one ordinance?
14:31:28 Thank you. Let me draw my motion. And move it.
14:31:39 To adapt the now.
14:31:44 That doesn't have the language. The ordnance is on page 3 of the agenda request.
14:31:55 Was the way of private ordinance adopting the 20? Should we make some, some, we amend the?
14:32:00 We amended this ordinance to that includes all of this code. I know that the
14:32:08 We didn't remember bits, all the titles, but we amended the title 15 and we didn't do that.
14:32:17 We amended it's unordnance. We've amended just now. Yeah, I just wonder are we adopting the versions of the international building codes or did we amend some of that language?
14:32:32 Okay. Yeah, Correct. And that we have got an ordinance.
14:32:42 We approve an or events adapting the 2021 versions of the international building codes and adopting new exceptions, amending the definition of agriculture building.
14:32:51 In. 15 adopting a commercial fire inspection program. Amending the enabling code of the fire marshal and amending, 2 and 15 of the Jefferson County code.
14:33:02 As a I'm happy to second that. Okay. It's been moved in seconded to.
14:33:08 Adop the ordinance as amended today because we did just change it. I will open up public comment like 3 public comment.
14:33:17 I can raise your physical hand or raise your virtual hand.
14:33:20 Let's bring Mr. Cheer Shover.
14:33:28 Okay. Welcome, Mr. Trish. We welcome your public comment.
14:33:34 Thank you commissioners for your thoughtful deliberations and for considering the comments that have been made to date.
14:33:42 And to staff for making the the changes to the to the recommended. Policy. I have just 3 quick, really quick reactions.
14:33:52 The business about where you're enumerating the things like water heaters and so forth. Where it says, and other things.
14:34:00 Well, that leaves the public in a state of uncertainty. It's like, what are the things?
14:34:06 Well, now I've got to go back to the rest of the building code. It just seems problematic.
14:34:09 If you're gonna list some. You need to list them all or don't list any. Just go back to the regular code because that way you're doing it by reference to your own regulations.
14:34:19 But that's just the way I read it. The RCW thing, you might want to ask your lobbyists in Olympia to get that HRCW changed because that's the only way to make that happen since
you're now adopting it by reference.
14:34:31 We paid the lobbyists, let's use them. And the last thing is on the fire code amendment.
14:34:37 On fire safety inspection thing it says that the that fees are going to be set But you haven't adopted any fees yet.
14:34:44 So now you're gonna have to go through a separate process of adopting fees. Just to let you know.
14:34:49 Thanks very much for the time.
14:34:51 Thank you, Mr. Keshe. Thanks for your contributions. This ball? Thank you.
14:35:03 For thoughtful deliberations and productive edits. I appreciate your willingness to. LICENSE and productive edits.
14:35:09 I appreciate your willingness to. Thank you. You don't have to, but you can't.
14:35:15 Okay, so. Thank you for that. This is, complicated or alongloading parts.
14:35:23 Okay, so, thank you for that. This is, complicated. There are a lot of moving parts.
14:35:25 Skeleton County has a route to agriculture. A little disappointed that, efforts were not made to reach out to the agricultural community because I think you can receive a great
deal of.
14:35:32 Insightful comments. That's a couple of us regular, you know, gallery types. Who happened that's, you know, grow whatever.
14:35:42 I really appreciate most of your edits. I think you hit the notes I was trying to hit with my comments.
14:35:51 I still remain confused by this one here, which, suggests that, the building. Should be free standing and located at least 10 feet from the narrow structure unless attached
to another agricultural building.
14:36:07 I don't know if you really got what I was trying to say in my email, but that to me sounds like.
14:36:12 All things being equal, I can have building that must be 10 feet from another building. To another agricultural building and then that exempts this 10 foot buffer.
14:36:25 And then that exempts this 10 foot buffer. I think that's a little, for a building and then that exempts this 10 foot buffer and I think that's a little sleepy.
14:36:27 So I don't There could be some clarifying, and words to that. I don't know any suggestions, but you know, you guys can kinda figure that out.
14:36:35 What else? Oh, I like Mr. Teers suggestion about the inclusion or exclusion of the various.
14:36:42 Issues called out that may require permits and there could be some language for that you know specify that you know other activities were to require permits or some such.
14:36:54 You know, similar language. But thank you. Thank you. Thanks very much.
14:37:04 And any. Thoughts, I mean. I mean, I think regarding the 10 feet, it's a fire safety thing and it is exactly as Miss Ball described, right?
14:37:16 If it's exactly as Miss Ball described, right? If it's to add buildings attached together.
14:37:19 And I can think of multiple examples where I've seen. Okay, so another agricultural building. So it protects that exception when otherwise it will be.
14:37:30 And the 10 feet is a fire safety thing. But did you understand what I mean? It sounds like that exempts the temple.
14:37:37 If you attach it to another building that you are something. Yeah, it does. Yeah. We wouldn't be able to check that.
14:37:47 There's no reason to be out there. So that's uninforce. You need to check that there's no permit.
14:37:56 Okay. And the one other note that we had about the, explicitly listing, the exemptions.
14:38:11 I mean, couple to call out the most common ones. Yeah, you want 7 people out of hunt.
14:38:14 Through our code. So I trust that the ones that are called out or the ones that come up most often is questionable.
14:38:23 And Yeah. Or the people might not. Assume. Well, are we ready to?
14:38:40 Any other accounts? Okay. Oh yes, perfect. This is just the technical thing on the effective date.
14:38:49 Given the fact that So I've used your 3Â min, Barbara. The 2021 international building code may not be adopted and actually the way we have written it.
14:39:03 You were getting the, we use the whatever code is currently being has been adopted by the building council we could just change the effective date to say.
14:39:19 That this ordinance becomes effective upon the date of adoption. Instead of having a staggered.
14:39:28 Adoption date. So, okay. Good point. Cause again, like, I think, we'll, we're losing to use that there's a potential in the state won't adopt the 2021 code.
14:39:40 So we don't want that. 2021 code so we don't want that to be a barrier.
14:39:42 So so our ordinance the title an ordinance adopting the 2021 versions of the international billing code.
14:39:48 Should probably change that. That's what Kate was. Slowing down to reflect on and I was wanting to go there with her, but I was listening over here.
14:39:57 So I think the adoption of the 2021 Cosec was supposed to be July first and then I got the lead to the 2021 Cosec was supposed to be July first and then I got the lead to October
20 ninth and now large.
14:40:11 It's supposed to be July first and then I got the lead to, October 20 ninth and now large.
14:40:14 And, 24. So, and that's the 2021 code cycle. So I think that's what I was referencing here is that that would be the next innovation of these.
14:40:17 But so that we don't have to come back every 3 years, that's why we're doing it by reference.
14:40:21 So I think the reference of the 2021 is to. Again, for that, effective date and everything is why the 2021 codes are included in this.
14:40:31 Okay. Okay, so. Will the 2021. International building code.
14:40:47 We never, yes. We don't. I think that's what partners. Yeah.
14:40:51 We could just say an ordinance amending. What is it? Next version of the international building code?
14:40:59 Right, something like that. And we can take out the drivers. Alright, so we've got And then there wasn't one other place that we would need to.
14:41:11 Which is section 7. Section 7.
14:41:19 We need to just say this audience becomes. Effective on the data adoption.
14:41:27 Of the international building codes. No, no, the 2021 whatever it's never adopted.
14:41:33 No, because, the way the ordnance is written. Generically adopt whatever code the state building council has adopted.
14:41:44 Okay. And so right now we're using the 2018. Can you adopt this? Will still be using the 2018 because that's with the council.
14:41:58 Right. And that makes sense that would be effective and immediately, especially because of the fire provisions and we are aware that we need to come back. Thank you.
14:42:08 I was going to ask you to address that too. Yeah, we're already working. Okay, great.
14:42:18 Well, step, and sometimes it takes a couple of steps to get us up. Okay, great. Well, step, and sometimes it takes a couple of steps to get us. Right.
14:42:21 So it's moved in second, but now we have amendment. Friendly amendments. You consider that a friendly amendment?
14:42:24 To. Okay.
14:42:28 Alright, and you do too? All in favor indicate by saying aye. Alright, thanks for all your wine guys.
14:42:39 Yeah. Alright, great. Well, thanks for, taking long road with us sometimes. Yeah, thank you.
14:43:05 Yeah, thanks for great public input. No, Okay. And the question is really fast. We're getting, let's say 3 or 5 with the executive session.
14:43:48 Okay. Great. Alright, so plan commissioners. Take it away, Joel.
14:43:55 Good to see you. Good to be here. Thank you. And, I'm going to, our next agenda item for planning commission appointments and I know that we're sure on time this afternoon item
for planning commission appointments and I know that we're short on time this afternoon so I'm gonna make it brief.
14:44:08 I would like to at some point Wax on the. Inauguration of our planet commission and the purpose it serves for the public and let the public know that we need them too generally
on the first and third Wednesdays of each month at the Triarei Community Center from 5 30 to 7 30.
14:44:26 So, please join us. And planning mission serves an important role for the company as our liaison with our community.
14:44:35 And with community development and bringing recommendations to the Board of County Commissioners. So. This item is to fill 2 vacant seats on the Planning Commission.
14:44:47 There's a vacancy in the District One and in District 2. And, and the way that I love at work is that they have taken positions, an appointment to those seats.
14:44:57 It's made by the board account. And that appointee. Fills the remaining portion of that seat.
14:45:05 And what is typical is if an incumbent is interested in remaining in that seat. That they be considered when their turn is up.
14:45:16 Along with other. Applicants, we had to open it up. So we have 3 different 3 commissioners per district and they're on a revolving.
14:45:27 Have planning to. Opening and opening several times. Each year. There would be a So what we do is we have interviews of those who are interested in participating or volunteering
for planning commission.
14:45:46 And we include the Gotti Commissioner of that particular district and we we meet our applicants and that being done for these 2.
14:45:58 The district one there's a remaining vacancy is from. This point too, March of 2024.
14:46:08 So there's just a little bit of time left there and then. That. Will be reappointed.
14:46:17 At that point, district 2, the. Seat is as The term is till 2026. So there'd be a 4 year.
14:46:28 Appointment after filling the rest of that vacant seat. So, today we are. Bringing forward the name of a single app computer district too, Mike Schultz.
14:46:43 And then for district one, we had 3 applicants. One withdrew, but we have 2 remaining applicants.
14:46:53 Aren't, and Amy Hyen. So through the interview process, we got to know everyone a little better and At this point then the board would.
14:47:02 We have reviewed their applications and had a discussion. And possible appointment to those 2 vacancies. So with that background and with hopefully an opportunity in the future
to go into more detail about the planning commission and with our upcoming company as a plan, the root provisions.
14:47:24 I'll be back talking about that. And I'll be back to the chair. Maybe we can finish quick and you can wax on more right now.
14:47:31 So you guys both participated in these interviews. I don't think we got them. I don't think I got the applications.
14:47:45 They were sent to you via, in Caroline. Okay. Typically the commissioner from the district makes a recommendation.
14:47:50 Okay. Typically the commissioner from the district makes a recommendation. And prepared to do that. Since I have only one applicant in district too and have a more straightforward
process.
14:47:55 I'll just comment and then I can make a motion. Please. So, Mister Schultz expressed his interest in the last round when we reappointed Lorna Smith to this.
14:48:06 Position but as we know she subsequently resigned her seat because of conflicts with the Washington Department of fish and wildlife commissioner seat that she holds.
14:48:14 So at the time though, when we received Mike Schultz application, he had great professional background and experience, you know, experience and.
14:48:23 So it was a, and it was like exciting and like, okay, when the next vacancy comes up, you know, so we didn't know it would be so soon that he did in fact submit his application
again.
14:48:33 And Joel and I interviewed him and he seemed like he would be a wonderful addition to the planning commission.
14:48:40 So I'm happy to make a motion that we appoint. Like Schultz to the unexpected.
14:48:48 Term the current and expired term for the district 2 planning commission seat which runs through March seventeenth 2026 Okay, it's been moved and seconded to appoint myself
to the vacant.
14:49:02 The remaining term for the. District 2 planning commissioner, all in favor indicate by state aye.
14:49:11 Alright, and I did really look his the application looks great great relevant experience. I love neighborhood, neighborhood contributors to planning process.
14:49:22 I love neighborhood, neighborhood contributors to planning processes as well. So good stuff. I love neighborhood, great, relevant experience.
14:49:33 I love neighborhood, neighborhood contributors to planning processes. Well, so good stuff. Okay, Kate.
14:49:34 I had a much harder decision to make, very complicated by 3 excellent, and a kind of staggered.
14:49:35 Interview process that had 2 different decision points so that was Challenging, Joe was very helpful and having talked through kind of, you know, what are the different ways
we might consider this.
14:49:53 Quite that we're trying to meet with these appointments. And so after quite a bit of.
14:50:02 So searching, I'm going to recommend that we appoint Arn Strumming to the district one position.
14:50:10 And, I'll say that I think what I find, what I think he brings to the planning commission is the perspective of somebody who is trying to get established in this community,
a professional who would like to set up a life here and is trying to get established in this community, a professional who would like to set up a light here and finding it challenging
to find housing.
14:50:33 And to navigate, the kind of realities of, affordability here. He has a strong policy background and, I have.
14:50:45 I have seen his policy mind at work. I think he doesn't good job at balancing interests.
14:50:52 Taking it a lot of data and being able to analyze it and come to reasonable solutions so I am very grateful that we have 3 starting applicants.
14:51:02 I would really encourage the other applicants to consider getting a involved in other committees. And, for, positions in the future.
14:51:14 It's great to see that he's a renter as well. Exactly, yes. Yeah.
14:51:18 Yeah. Okay. Well, give me a second. So I, will make a motion to appoint our streaming to the expired term of the district one seat.
14:51:32 Until March. Seventeenth, 2024. I'll second that. Okay, it's been moved and seconded to approve our unstroming to the District one planning commission.
14:51:44 See it all in favor, by saying I. Aye. Aye. All right.
14:51:50 Great. That we have such strong applicants and I look forward to their work with the Planning Commission.
14:51:56 You can wax off for another couple of minutes if you want. I look forward to their work with the Planning Commission.
14:52:00 You can wax off for another couple of minutes if you want. Well, I just, this for some additional background.
14:52:03 I think was the mid twenties. Acting 26 was the federal planning enabling act. And this is an exciting time in development of Chicago and our areas on the eastern seaboard.
14:52:14 Working in through planning. Questions the Supreme Court was facing a lot of planning questions. So there was kind of this basic planning an English act that was established.
14:52:25 And picked up by states. Washington picked it up. In the sixtys or early seventies.
14:52:32 Washington State planning and able to act. That sets up our planning condition. Concept and it goes back to the fourteenth amendment where a constitution also and providing
opportunities to be heard and to be involved in decisions affecting people's lives and live in goods.
14:52:50 And, so. Bringing it to the present. We bring to our planning commission. Items that have to do with growth management act or our Jackson County code in Title 18 specifically
for development regulations.
14:53:05 And. Things come up like our. Periodic review of our comprehensive plan. And so our planning commission really is our communities.
14:53:18 Opportunity to be involved in this in this process of planning our communities and going forward with new. Yeah, regulations and so I would encourage people to get involved
and participate and know who their planning commissioners are and talk to them.
14:53:35 As well as I encouraging planning commissioners to be a part of your community enough to hear the voice and bring it to through recommendations to the Board of County Commission
to make your jobs as effective as they can be.
14:53:51 And, and hearing good recommendations and even voice. That's the exciting part. It is, you know, it's great.
14:54:01 Yeah, it brings the pull. Yeah, public together. What's the, what are the big, what's the big work on the, on, we've got the periodic update of the comprehensive plan.
14:54:09 Does that, when does the planning commission start to engage with that? We'll be talking about our work planning through that in January.
14:54:16 We wanted to do a join meeting with the Vatican, and, Board, the County Commissioners.
14:54:20 I think you're drove on today, right? What's coming up? You know, as far as meeting state regulations and new things.
14:54:29 For to consider for our copying plan. We will be coming to you soon. On the finishing up the 2023 comprehensive plan annual amendment cycle.
14:54:39 We have a hearing at the planning commission on November first. With the docket for this year. We have 3 rezone proposals and suggested amendments to our .
14:54:52 Excellent. The shoreline master programs coming soon. Is already through Just add on a note about the We picked out a day.
14:55:04 Yes, January, 20 eighth and we're gonna come back with a second agenda item just 2. Be formal about it and make sure it's scheduled out there.
14:55:14 And it is a Saturday. So we make sure doing our clinic mission and treat business in the morning and then having the board visit.
14:55:22 And then we'll talk a lot more about all kinds of things, including the 2025 area update.
14:55:28 So your question, at the last meeting. The eighteenth, the kind of mission deliberated on the proposal so the last proposal that was the subject of the October fourth hearing
was dated September 20 and the consultants and DCD staff work together to.
14:55:50 To react. And both to the comments that we had heard up to date and some additional research into some history.
14:55:56 Around a particular issue. And came up with some. Some modifications to that September. Twentieth proposal, which would that discussed at length, the meeting that longer than
the usual 2Â h.
14:56:09 . For a moment there I thought we were gonna have to have a special meeting on October 20 fifth Hi, in order to reach a conclusion, but it turns out that they essentially with
a lot of party discussion ended up just accepting the staff proposed amendments to the September twentieth version.
14:56:29 We're now working on that version. We expect the end of this week to issue the agenda for the next.
14:56:33 Glenn. And then for the next letting commission meeting, which is the number first. And that a general packet will be.
14:56:38 Well, the, the complete Charlotte National Program that's currently proposed, and then we also got a request to have a clean version.
14:56:49 If you like, line in line up version of our correct master program, in a clean version. With all the accessory information and so that the planning commissioner will take their
final action they expect.
14:56:57 That's part of the member first meeting and in theory it should be fairly a formality and essentially gonna get their recommendation letter ready for the board and take this
final action unless something else comes up.
14:57:10 And again, we wanted to make sure they saw the whole package together, for the board, and take this final action, unless something else comes up.
14:57:14 Again, we wanted to make sure they have saw the whole package So it'll be coming to you sometime shortly after that.
14:57:18 Mid November to late November. I don't expect to come in with a. And then you'll have a workshop with you.
14:57:23 And we'll have to consult they come talk all about. Going back to 2021. And see whether you want to then.
14:57:34 Except the Planning Commission slash staff, staff version, the planning agency, as as a whole, which you could simply do and then we send it on to ecology.
14:57:43 That ecology actually is going to hold their own public comment period. Under the standard review process and then they'll have the ultimate action, to accept our program.
14:57:53 We're not, we're give us something else to say. We believe that we've.
14:57:56 Done process. It's something that it's consistent. It's something that it's consistent.
14:58:03 That a college will approve just based on the comments that they gave us. But that's it. That's another step in the process.
14:58:06 So then your decision point will be, do you want to hold a public hearing? Just ratify it as. Okay, great. Well, thanks for the update.
14:58:15 Thanks for the work on getting the new members and yeah, I really, appreciate all work.
14:58:20 Okay, great. Thanks a lot guys. Feels like something we want to have a public hearing. Doesn't it?
14:58:33 Well, yeah, if you want changes traditionally, you have a hearing if you're just, you know, they've had multiple hearing up to, so yeah, so we'll see how.
14:58:38 Thanks, Joel. Thanks, Josh. Alright, we are Judy in the house.
14:58:58 Alright, gonna return to, our consent agenda that we approved this morning. Hello, Judy.
14:59:04 Hi there.
14:59:04 To get any, dirt on the dirt.
14:59:11 Oh, that just, that was off the
14:59:08 You've been thinking about that all day, huh? Okay, so. And the question of what are the additional projects projected for the additional materials that were needed for the
additional materials and The response here was road chip.
14:59:44 Hmm. Okay.
14:59:30 Rose chip sealed, 28.56 road miles in 2023 compared to 14 miles in 2,022 and then road wits were also wider than anticipated.
14:59:52 1,460 yards of aggregate, which was valued at 96,000, was purchased in 2023 and stock piled for Brennan for the 2,024 chip seal program.
15:00:03 Great.
15:00:03 So that was, that helped as far as additional materials. And yes, there were increases in cost in oil emissions.
15:00:13 I said that wrong. Oil. Emotions. And vehicle fuel costs.
15:00:21 So we all know vehicle fuel costs, right? Okay. And then, the procurement process for materials, cause I, you know, public works has this down and you know they they're very
on top of all this and but just to mention that and to address that.
15:00:44 And, but just to, very on top of all this. And, but just to, to mention that and to address that, peel is purchased off the state And then road materials are either purchased
off state contract or put out for bid.
15:00:49 So it could be one of the other. Public Works usually does the administrative work letting the contracts in collaboration with the ER in our, manager.
15:01:01 So they work together on that. And probably what happened this year, the scope of work for 2023, the, miles of roadway chip seal was changed after 2 year budget was submitted
and then a 2023 I was not updated in the amendment with the projected projects possibly.
15:01:21 But since we have both Matt Stewart is no longer with us and neither is Lou, Johnson, then it's kind of hard to know exactly what happened with the budget.
15:01:32 In the budget amendment process. So at that time. So, We just can't, we won't really know.
15:01:39 So going forward, the whole phase, the new ER manager will continue to work closely with public works and determining what inventory levels are needed for the road needs.
15:01:54 Okay.
15:01:52 Great. Thank you so much, Judy. Questions? Perfect.
15:02:00 I answer all the questions that we're we said and we're also probably in our brain. So.
15:02:03 It was just, you know, it felt important to unpack it a little bit for me. It sounds bad.
15:02:10 Thank you for coming back with that. Thanks for digging it.
15:02:12 Absolutely, I'm happy to drive. And I always learned something in the process as you guys asked these questions as well.
15:02:19 So thank you.
15:02:23 Okay. Alright, thank you.
15:02:21 Okay, we'll let you get back to your day. Thanks again. Magic. Alright, why don't we take a quick little break and we'll recess and tell 305 and come back and we're gonna go
into executive session at that point.
15:08:17 I know it's time for my next call. Alright, I'll call us back into session and we're going to go into.
15:08:31 Exactly. A session to review the performance of a public employee, no discussion of salaries. Wages and other conditions in employment to be generally applied within the county
and no final action on the hiring.
15:08:40 Setting the salary of an individual employee or class of employees or discharging or disciplining disciplining an employee.
15:08:48 Exemption is outlined in the open public meetings act, RCW, 42 dot 30. Dot 1 10 parentheses one prints in G will be joined by our human resources director and potentially the
county administrator later in the executive session.
15:09:01 So we're going in at 309 for Let's say, 3 45 I think so.
15:09:12 36Â min.
15:46:29 Okay. Good. All right. I don't have my agenda.
15:46:38 We are going to need to extend where, in executive session with the human resources director.
15:46:46 And as a reminder, we are in under RCW, under the exemptions is outlined in the Open Public Meetings Act, RCW, 42 dot 30, dot 1 10, parentheses one, parentheses, G to evaluate
the qualifications of an application.
15:47:00 No discussion, I'm sorry, to review the performance of a public employee and a discussion of salaries, wages, other conditions of employment to be generally applied within the
county.
15:47:09 No final action on the hiring. Setting the salary of an individual employee or class of employees or discharging or disciplining an employee.
15:47:17 We're going for 15Â min. Going back in at 3 47 coming out at 402.
15:47:28 Guys, be speaking to the microphone in your time.
16:04:01 I have that thing again.
16:04:06 Coming out of like. I'm, I'm in my glasses, Haiti. Okay.
16:04:15 Alright, we, we're coming back into regular session, but we need to extend for a few more minutes.
16:04:22 We're coming back into regular session, but we need to extend for a few more minutes. We're gonna send for 6 more minutes until, Reminder, we're in, executive session under
RCW, 42 dot 30 that 1, 10 parentheses one, parentheses G, to review the performance of public employee.
16:04:36 We are joined by the Human Resources Director. We'll come out at 3 1410.
16:04:43 Usually.
16:11:36 Yeah.
16:11:42 Yeah, the rest of the building as much. Yeah, I know. Yeah.
16:11:54 We lost their son. We're happy for. Yeah, for the next.
16:12:04 Yeah. Alright. We are coming out of, executive session. No action to be taken.
16:12:16 I think we had one other action we were going to consider. Okay.
16:12:29 Okay. That's right.
16:12:36 Taking care of the planning commission vacant today.
16:12:42 And, and, conservation futures committee. Well we just created a gap in the conservation future.
16:13:01 Oh, we are still looking for. O 3 A, I want to carry Hayden's down aging Jefferson County representatives.
16:13:23 No, not by district. Yeah, conservation features, we've got 3 open positions now.
16:13:35 Those are by districts, right? We have we just lost the.
16:13:39 The camera. Equity and food security, I think.
16:13:47 So have one left one option for someone who is not long enforcement or firefighter community. I think, Thank you.
16:13:59 Are you on? I'm, I had to zoom in a little to make it legible when I'm on Chrome right now.
16:14:03 No, I think that tipboard seems to reappoint. Or maybe it is vacant. I don't know.
16:14:11 District 3. Yeah. And
16:14:18 Bye. I mean, in general, I would just say that. And we're doing a good job.
16:14:26 Did they have a full form and not just
16:14:29 Are you on there now?
16:14:37 I am eligible for district 4.
16:14:42 I don't mind. Okay, I got the 10
16:14:54 Okay, we have to start looking for conservation features members. We have 5. Do they want us to?
16:15:03 I don't think so.
16:15:06 And. Oh, so that. One of those was reappointed. So I think we have 4 openings.
16:15:16 Just one, Okay. Alright. Yeah, well, I guess that doesn't include the.
16:15:28 On the Hmm.
16:15:37 I don't know. But Down, And where was she? Well, the, what are the challenges with Amy's position too?
16:15:51 She lives in district one, but she's building a house in district 2 so she's going to be leaving.
16:15:56 She's going to be leaving. You know the airport. Okay. Not on the coast.
16:16:01 No. So that was also part of my decision. That it wouldn't she wouldn't keep the seat or you can see and you can finish out the term.
16:16:12 But it just felt like, somebody in the district. Yeah.
16:16:14 Alright, well, some just 3 positions to fill.
16:16:20 We're cut out for you, Bing.
16:16:24 And solid waste advisory committee 1 2 and 3. And do we know there? I know it says, find the consistency and find out.
16:16:41 And they have alternates too, but I think it's usually. I mean, staff advertisers, but I don't know how much recruitment there is.
16:16:51 I can type it out.
16:16:59 Okay.
16:17:17 Okay, so.
16:17:26 Yeah. Yeah.
16:17:50 I would like to dig into this more. Can we bring the proclamation back and next month or in Monday?
16:17:57 Yeah. Yeah, the the. You know, today was cause getting that flag lowered. You're talking about.
16:18:10 Maybe. Having a
16:18:18 Celebration of life Thursday evening with Thursday afternoonish we could do a special meeting And just do the proclamation.
16:18:29 Oh, okay. Sarah is gonna look at us a day to schedule it, but we're talking about maybe Thursday afternoon. IS a day to schedule it, but we're talking about maybe Thursday afternoon.
She said there's Friday.
16:18:43 She's gone for the or have you been pulled into that Mark? The timing for that. You know, so, the, of day is that?
16:18:54 Okay, I'm going to WSU for interviews for one of their positions. We're talking, I don't know.
16:19:05 Thursday at 4 maybe or Friday morning. Not sure. Just it goes the same Friday after. Okay, we can talk that we can always pull the discussion.
16:19:16 May I announce it? Tomorrow. Yeah, well, we'll schedule it offline. You and I and all of.
16:19:22 What's that? Oh, Friday afternoon. Got a few things in the wine, but you can move them around.
16:19:32 Thursday afternoon. Thursday afternoon. So what time are you done with interviews? Yeah.
16:19:48 That's our classes. Oh, on Thursday. Wednesday and Thursday this week. Did you join virtually?
16:19:55 So, 4 to 4 30. Probably. I mean, I don't know what the gym is for that training yet.
16:20:02 But it's
16:20:07 For reading, take them in superior court. I think we could have a pretty sizeable number of attendees.
16:20:20 What about Monday? In the meeting. People around. I think there was some, doing it fairly soon.
16:20:30 Just, you know, while people are, yeah, I can.
16:20:36 Okay, Jeff calm but after that 1111, you know, and have it go. Yeah, I can be accent.
16:20:49 I mean, I mean Monday, but you don't have a lot scheduled, right? Are people willing to come in on Monday?
16:21:02 Okay. Yeah. Alright, let's look at Monday. That's what we said.
16:21:10 We're gonna keep the flag at half masked on Monday. So, Yeah.
16:21:19 Okay. Alright, well I will work with Carolyn and get it scheduled. This is.
16:21:29 Okay, anything else folks wanna talk about in the next 9Â min?
16:21:38 They won't know until Friday, they'll have a trial.
16:21:44 Okay, still do it here and do it sequentially. What about the? Hello, Jim at the community center.
16:21:53 Hmm.
16:21:57 Weather forecast. Outside crappy. Alright, well, we' to figure that out.
16:22:13 Hmm. Alright outside too projecting. Yeah, absolutely love camp both sides. Let's do that.
16:22:31 That sounds wonderful. Yeah
16:22:37 Okay, yeah, That would be worthwhile.
16:22:43 Okay, anything else for the good of the order? We'll just have to figure out the.
16:22:49 You know, how to manage the. Time off and you know, it's hard for some folks can't be away from their office.
16:22:59 Second.
16:23:07 And obviously the further we are from offices, the harder that is. The scout cabin is also beautiful.
16:23:17 Discovery Road. Yeah.
16:23:23 . Okay, we'll work out something. I guess it would be most convenient probably to do it in the court if there's no trial We can do the.
16:23:35 Now it's been 24Â h ahead of time. So, scheduled by the end, right?
16:23:39 Okay.
16:23:43 Alright, anything else for the good of the order? Hmm. Alright, as a reminder we don't have a meeting, a regular meeting next Monday.
16:23:54 It's like we'll have a short. Special. Meeting to celebrate our friend this way.
16:24:02 Okay, we are adjourned. Thanks, team.