HomeMy WebLinkAboutchat13:43:15 From Chambers to Mark McCauley(Direct Message) : Should they hold off on making decision until tomorrow night's special meeting, where they will meet with people against
the pool?
13:44:20 From Mark McCauley to Chambers(Direct Message) : That's a question for Greg.
13:44:58 From Mark McCauley to Chambers(Direct Message) : I think in order to get the independent financial review we have to signal our support.
13:45:26 From Chambers to Mark McCauley(Direct Message) : Ok thank you
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09:00:10 Oh, let's go ahead and. Get started.
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09:00:46 Good morning.
09:00:56 Okay, move this. No, any, anything, record, to have the same. Please.
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09:01:09 Oh, definitely recorded.
09:01:25 Please check in.
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09:01:45 Yeah, alright, maybe at lunch now. It's, it's kind of, today if it's.
09:01:47 Okay, we definitely are reporting on. All right, good morning everyone. I will call this meeting of the Jefferson County Board of Commissioners to order for November twentieth.
09:01:50 As a note Join us on Zoom, but you will not be able to immediately see it upon.
09:01:50 On a AV capture. So we will get it up there after we record today's.
09:02:16 I don't know, any big holiday plans.
09:02:21 Really? Okay, I rearranged my entire house this weekend and could now accommodate 18 people around one table. 18 people. Do you make all the food?
09:02:34 Does other people have to bring the food as well? Friends giving for probably 15 years. And Yeah, it's great.
09:02:42 My daughter was doing a friends giving today actually. She is. She's having friends over in their cooking and are they cooking everything together?
09:02:50 I don't know. I have meetings until late in the night. So I'm not a participant, but. Well, you get to eat some of them.
09:03:06 Oh, I think I'm explicitly forbidden from, except I got no friends, friends, family, family. Yeah.
09:03:08 Okay, it's okay. All right. Well, now that we're all assembled, we'll open this up for for public comment.
09:03:17 We have people in the room if anyone in the room would like to make public comment. We'd love to hear from you, Mr. Santina.
09:03:21 You have 3Â min. The proposed aquatic center could be built for maybe half the cost. That's according to initial assessment of sprung structures.
09:03:30 I was put in touch with them Friday by the end of the day they kind of first look at the entire proposal submitted by Opsis and estimate they could do it for about half the
cost maybe 2 thirds if there's a lot of other stuff loaded in.
09:03:43 Sprung Structures is the world leader in advanced membrane high tension. Buildings they built the space shuttle enclosure Olympic tools and they recently completed the central
Idaho aquatic facility for one third.
09:03:56 The cost of traditional construction. They could get this done in 6 months is what they said. Their products are pre-engineered.
09:04:04 They work with an entire crew of people that are also using disruptive technologies that are just sort of blowing the socks of the traditional, you know, architect design.
09:04:13 Here's our pictures. Here's your brick and mortar. Bring everybody in, design this as you go along.
09:04:17 The products are delivered on a truck. They go up very, very fast. Mclean Sprung, who's their development director, is working on a side by side comparison of this, which I
will share with you.
09:04:29 I've been sharing all of this. With Carrie Height, the city in Richchilders of the Aquatic Coalition since I first was touch with him.
09:04:35 Good morning. The implications are of this are that the city of Fort Townsend, according to work that's been done, could build this pool with the resources in their city limits
without any need to tax the county.
09:04:46 They the aquatic coalition these folks say they could raise 17.2 million if this could be built for half the 37.2, there's not much more of a reach left.
09:04:55 The implications are that it's within reach of the county, just like the technology made the sore product project possible the same thing as possible here.
09:05:02 This needs to be looked at. There's get you protected against price increases because you're ordering the product.
09:05:09 It's not like they show up and they, you know, that's how it works. They also are disruptive of the traditional method of financing public works because they know a lot of municipalities
don't have the money to build pools, they know a lot of municipalities don't have the money to build tools, they lease.
09:05:23 They can eliminate the need for upfront cost. So it changes the entire picture on seeking bond financing.
09:05:28 I this has to be looked at this is enormous it's a game changer I don't know why I could get these numbers in a day, but we don't need to go there.
09:05:37 But these folks need to be invited to come down here and give a presentation. I think Mr. Spong is in Calgary.
09:05:45 They have offices all over the world, but, they're looking at this and I don't know, they're not the only ones that do this.
09:05:52 They're the biggest and the best and the incredibly responsive. And they're interested in this project, they understand how this works, where we are.
09:05:58 So I hope this happens. The other implication are that we learned that the city council meeting from their bond council that a bond of this size or a brand new creature like
a public facilities district is likely going to need the guarantee.
09:06:11 Of an existing government and the city doesn't have the council manic nonvvoted capacity left.
09:06:18 It's going to be the county that may be required to guarantee this to get any kind of decent bond rate for a completely new thing, but no history.
09:06:24 Thank you very much. I hope you forward these suggestions and encourage these folks to get in touch directly with Mclean Sprung of Sprung.
09:06:33 Dot com. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Scarantino. And as a reminder, we usually respond to public comment after we get all the public comment.
09:06:40 So stick around and we'll get back to your comments. Anyone else in the room like to make comment?
09:06:44 Miss Show Walter, let's start with you and then we'll go to Mr. Schumacher.
09:06:49 Hello, I'm Marilyn Show Walter. I live at 1 5 9 6 shine road on property I've owned for 47 years.
09:06:57 I'm here to urge you to hold a public hearing before you vote on the shoreline master program, particularly with respect to GUI gut cultivation.
09:07:09 You may have heard there were 2 very close votes at the Planning Commission this past Wednesday, 4 to 5 and 5, 4.
09:07:17 4 to 5 vote was to require a standard conditional use permit. For all future gooey duck cultivation.
09:07:26 This was the provision that had been in the draft for the past 2 years. More than 2 years. And also had been approved on a preliminary basis by the Department of Ecology and
also was identical to the provisions in Kalam County and Kitsap County, which have been finally approved by the Department of Ecology.
09:07:52 The 5 4 vote. Was on a provision that appeared just a month ago. And it prevailed. It provides for a standard conditional use permit for a quote new GUI duck application.
09:08:12 But for existing shelfish owners who either want to expand on brand new tide lands or convert. Their oysters say to goi duck it only requires a conditional Excuse me, a discretionary.
09:08:29 Use. This by analogy, this would be if. My name and I each wanted to build a building.
09:08:39 That required a conditional use permit. Very similar building. I being a long time owner would only be subject to a discretionary.
09:08:49 Conditional use permit whereas my neighbor would be subject to a Standard, conditional use permit. It's irrational and it's arbitrary and it favors existing shellfishers in
the case.
09:09:05 But it really disfavors citizens. What gets me is I, as a Jefferson County citizen, have greater rights and Kitsap County if a application is across the bay from me.
09:09:18 In say Port Gamble. I've got a right to go to a a public hearing with a decision made by a neutral.
09:09:28 Hearing examiner on the record. That's what this is about There are at least 56 people who signed a letter to the planning commission who would like a voice at a hearing before
you and I will provide you that letter.
09:09:42 Thank you, Anyone else? You got something? No, no, no, okay. All right, Jane, please come up.
09:09:58 Good morning. I'm Jane Armstrong and I live in Port Townsend, Jefferson County and I'm in Port Townsend, Jefferson County, and I live in Port Townsend, Jefferson County, and
I'm a member of the Jacks, the Jeff Co aquatic coalition board.
09:10:12 I'm here to speak. To the need for. And requests for the county to support moving forward.
09:10:19 On addressing the need to make a public pool, an aquatic center available in our county. Our current pool is failing.
09:10:30 There's over 30 years behind a work of Kenny citizens, parties and groups to look at this need and at 60 years.
09:10:38 The clock isn't going to go much longer. And it's a critical need in our community and particularly for the people who can't be in the room this morning.
09:10:47 The people who can't access this building. The people who can't get much beyond where they live, let alone outside this county, the people without the financial needs.
09:10:59 And the people who need to learn to swim starting at very young ages and people who want to stay in their homes all the way through their life.
09:11:08 I can speak personally to what the pool did for me before and after I had a knee replacement. It shortened the time that doctors and surgeons thought I could go into and come
out of that.
09:11:21 And resume. Mobility and be in my home. We don't have all the answers today, but we do know that it's a short clock for this window.
09:11:29 That's next spring to get matching funds and grants. And part of that is to have the confidence.
09:11:35 That the county will allow this process to go forward to continue to find answers to bring together the financing mechanisms to make it happen.
09:11:44 And in a way that puts the least burden on the citizens in our county and our town. The bond for this for 20 million puts 40% of the count the financing costs of the structure
as estimated today.
09:12:00 On the county. The operations is on the city for 400,000 a year and the rest by user fees.
09:12:09 The 10 to $30 estimated I've gone and looked to trying to verify. Is realistic.
09:12:16 On taxable purchases. And we know that people don't make all other taxable purchases in our county.
09:12:22 But for children, for parents, we've been hearing. Strong and urgent needs to get children back into the pool to get adults into the pool.
09:12:32 When the pool came up before COVID and it was looking at a downtime of several years, the elders in our community were in uproar because they knew they would lose quality of
life and length of life.
09:12:44 And we saw that with the pandemic shut down. People when they returned to the pool were not swimming. We're not moving well and some do not return.
09:12:55 For a variety of reasons. So I look forward to the presentation this afternoon. I look forward to the 7 partners and engaging out further in the community and discussions, but
I hope and ask that you continue to support to move this process forward.
09:13:12 Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Armstrong. All right, anyone else in the room like to make public comment this morning?
09:13:19 Sure.
09:13:23 Yes, Steven Schumacher, Port Townsend. So this relating to the accredit center, which was originally a Port Townsend project and was designed to be in poor towns and by poor
towns and people.
09:13:35 But then the funding wasn't available, so it looked to the county for the funding, but it still kind of remains a Port Townsend.
09:13:43 You know, oriented thing to serve poor Townsend and not so much the county that would now be asked to pay for it.
09:13:49 You know, at the athletic center of Show and Tell on Monday, Kerry Height was repeatedly asked why it couldn't be located more centralized in the county and her answers I believe
they she said on the one hand the land was free at Mountain View and you know so it's a big cost savings.
09:14:03 To locate it there and also infrastructure sewers and things wouldn't be available out in the county.
09:14:10 However, I mean, as far as I know, there are a number of excellent central places to put it in the county, Jake Carroll Park, I think close to the sheriff.
09:14:18 Area, I don't know, a number of locations that are already pre-owned just like the Mountain View, one is already.
09:14:24 Also, there will be sewers should be done by mid 2025 and that's pretty realistic guess when the clinic center could best case when the acrylic center could best case be there.
09:14:38 So there really isn't any good reason not to put it in a more central area. The county, You know, Hadlock is being argued as being in the service area of a poor towns and pool.
09:14:49 In other words, people in Hardlock could, you know, it's easy for them to just go to poor towns and to go to the pool if it were built there.
09:14:53 But contrary wise, that also means that poor towns that is in the service area if you located the pool in Hadlock, right?
09:15:00 And frankly, it's a lot easier to get out into the county, even for more towns, and I'd sometimes, basically given all the construction, road repairs, issues.
09:15:10 There's a lot more land there. The land is cheaper. You wouldn't have to deliver demolish the Mountain View pool.
09:15:16 You'd be able, you know, that whole area you could just build on a clean area. It would probably be cheaper in a lot of different ways.
09:15:23 Another factor is where is the new growth going to be and probably it'll be more growth over the next 1020, 30 years out in that area.
09:15:31 And also what about growth for young people, right? I mean.
09:15:36 There's multiple uses for this cool one of the uses is for swimming teams and for things for young kids and the young kids are out there not in poor towns and you know there
may well be therapeutic needs for older people but you know I don't know, there's various ways to envision this.
09:15:53 I mean, you could build this Taj Mahal Center that's going to be all things for all people.
09:15:58 But if you do plant that in poor towns, it would be kind of hard to access it, parking wise and otherwise, okay, but What if you build a less expensive, not Taj Mahal facility
that was out in Hadlock that was more youth oriented, right?
09:16:12 And then you've got the existing Mount View pool, which isn't going anywhere in any case anytime soon, I mean, until it breaks, you know, you could be using that or build a
smaller facility that's more, you know, older, focused or more health care focused in Port Townsend.
09:16:28 There's a lot of things that could be done, you know, and now giving us new information that, Jim's Karantino is presenting.
09:16:33 The affordability is another issue. Port towns can do its own thing in Port Townsend. The county can do its home thing or not.
09:16:40 In the county. Thanks a lot. Thanks, Mr. Schumacher. Any of us?
09:16:43 Yes.
09:16:51 Do speaking of the microphone though. Do speak into the microphone so people can hear it a little bit. Yeah, you sure people to hear me?
09:17:00 Good morning, my name is Gordon King and I live on Bell Street in Port Townsend. I attended the Wednesday evening planning commission S in P update meeting online and was pleasantly
surprised to see the make some changes and vote it through to the Court of County Commissioners.
09:17:15 I attended various planning commission and board of county commission meetings. Over 10 years ago when the current SMP was written, once again I followed work.
09:17:24 On the SNP for an extended period of time being on the update task force 3 years ago and attempting to remotely follow Planning Commission meetings of what happened in them
through the COVID shutdown.
09:17:35 Thankfully, we have persisted and after stops and starts. We now have a draft SMP update coming.
09:17:43 For input and approval by the Board of County Commissioners. I command the Department of Convention, community development for initially coming up with a reasonable draft document
in 2020.
09:17:54 That the task force worked on and allowed GUIDE conversions and expansions without full CUPs.
09:18:01 I was sorry to see the agriculture section butchered in 2021. When Kidsap County Aquaculture SMP language was inserted into the Jefferson County draft approach process which
was so cut and paste in one section initially referred to a Kitsap County ordinance.
09:18:18 I don't assume Kitsap County language was used because they are such an environmental success story. As Kitsap has 3 times the acreage of waters closed for shellfish harvest
compared to chips and county.
09:18:30 And multiple super fun sites. It is clear to me this was done to make it more difficult to farm shellfish and chips in county.
09:18:38 As I think you know, Jepsen County has one of the oldest populations in the Northwest with many people moving to the area as they age.
09:18:45 These people tend to be better off than the average working age population. Already in the area. There are many problems this dichotomy produces, one of which is the increase
in house prices is not matched by an increase in solid wage jobs and income.
09:19:01 Equaculture is now and has been for a century a source of reliable income especially in the rural areas of the county.
09:19:09 It is an efficient environmentally sensitive way. To produce county ground food. We need to continue in to guard Jefferson County's ability to sharm farm shellfish and be a
leader in this industry.
09:19:22 Just add the more restrictive. I would just add that Jefferson County's current draft SMP is more restrictive than Mason County, which only a cry, requires administrative CUPs
for an expansion or conversion.
09:19:39 Shellfish growers are interested in how the update process process proceeds from here. Thank you very much for your time.
09:19:46 Thank you, Mr. King. And sorry, I called you Mr. Ramsay. I was doing a little Gordon Ramsay that Hell's Kitchen.
09:19:51 Do you get that all the time? I'm sorry. You're much nicer. You're much nicer.
09:20:04 You're much nicer. Oh, I apologize. Okay, we'll turn to folks online. Oh, I apologize.
09:20:08 Okay, I will turn to folks online. I think everyone here has made public comment anyone online with us that would like to make public comment. We'd love to hear from you. You
can hit raise hand.
09:20:14 Oh, I see one hand. Okay, and if you're on the phone, you can hit star 9.
09:20:18 And to raise your hand, we'll bring you over and then star 6 to unmute. And Mr. Teersch, if you accept promotion, we can bring you over and hear your public comment.
09:20:33 My name is Trish. You have 3Â min when you get yourself unmuted.
09:20:42 Good morning commissioners. Good morning commissioners. A couple of comments about the pool proposal. First I have a question for you.
09:20:52 It's on your agenda as for discussion, but will there be a decision made today by the commissioners?
09:20:59 And if so, will you be allowing public comment at that time? That'd be nice.
09:21:04 But if no decision today, just discussion, OK, great. Thanks. The the discussion about the placement of this facility, I think should should not be closed off yet.
09:21:15 Because I agree that that placing it in the new UGA, not the not Port Townsend, but where all the growth is going to be in the county in the future, most of it, makes a lot
of sense because Well, it just makes a lot of sense.
09:21:29 Where could it be placed? A long time ago, there was a proposal that was quite reasonable to put the pool.
09:21:35 Down near the community center. Not necessarily in HJ Carroll Park, but there is a county park right across the street.
09:21:43 It's got plenty of land. It's that park has been closed, unused for a long time because the county can't afford to run it.
09:21:51 The county could contribute a portion of that land because i think it's what 1314 acres contribute a portion of that land as a sort of in-kind contribution to this project.
09:22:00 Yes, there's no sewer there right now. Obviously you need a sewer for a pool, but if you've just prioritized the construction of the sewer to run a line up to that area as is
one of the earlier portions of that sources, a new sewer system.
09:22:18 That, that could address that concern. And take care of it. Also would encourage growth along that, that, you know, roadie drive corridor.
09:22:27 So. Again, that discussion should not be closed off. Keep it open and keep considering it because you know a rush to judgment just because there might be grant funds not available.
09:22:39 A couple of years. That seems unwise. So that's my comment on that.
09:22:46 The other point about is the funding of any ballot measure. That's gonna happen. If this pool is gonna be in Port Townsend.
09:22:56 90% of the users are gonna be from Port Townsend. That's what history shows in terms of pool usage statistics.
09:23:03 So if that's the case, the county shouldn't be paying half the cost of the election.
09:23:08 4,000 should be paying at least half the cost. I'm sorry, should be paying 90% of the cost.
09:23:13 And you know the county can and can contribute maybe the remaining 10%. But there, you know, there's no rational reason why the county should be paying for, for Port Townsend's
election.
09:23:26 You know, who, benefits? You know, in terms of who's going to vote for or against such a ballot proposition, just consider the fact that you've got you know pools that exist
in California.
09:23:40 Okay, George, those people sure are not going to support a tax to support a port townsend pool.
09:23:49 So I suspect. That the 10,000 people in Port Townsend May, may carry the day, but, then again, more than half the county is not going to get any benefit from from this pool
if it's placed in Port Townsend.
09:24:06 So. We shall see how the how the election goes if you choose to go that way. Thanks.
09:24:11 Thank you, Mr. Chair. Anyone else online with us today? That would like to make public comment.
09:24:18 We'd love to hear from you.
09:24:23 Alright, well, I don't see any anyone else will keep public common open for the next few minutes and Carolyn, keep an eye out of this.
09:24:32 I'm sure our responses will probably go past 9 30 is when we normally close public comment so We will, turn to responses.
09:24:39 Anyone wanna? If the toes in the water. I'm happy too. I'm in the D.
09:24:44 P. I can type in the deep end later. Right, right. I'm not gonna, I'm gonna wade into the lazy river right now and say that a lot of the comments that we've heard today Most
of them I agree with.
09:24:58 And I spent most of the weekend reading comments. As we've said, I've said a million times is, you know, our work doesn't end at the end of the week.
09:25:07 We spend our weekends reading all the public common and there's been a lot about this issue. And I actually made a little.
09:25:13 I like to make diagrams and cut cut out pieces of paper and compare property sizes. So I've looked at other alternative locations around the county and I have you know some
options so but This this is a this is the most diverse set of input I've as a commissioner have seen so far And I really appreciate that.
09:25:45 And I'm hearing that from a lot of people. So. I'm, but I'm not, I'm gonna wait and hear the presentation this afternoon because there are a lot of questions I have for Kerry
and have a list of specific questions and look forward to hearing it and that I'm interested in the information that Jim, Jim's Scarantino presented this morning.
09:26:05 I've wondered is there Less expensive options out there and sounds like there are but you know I don't know if they'll work here so I feel like there's a lot of conversation
in a work yet to do on the aquatic center front.
09:26:18 On the SMP and I appreciate the planning commission had came back to us and said we really want to do this work and dig into this and bring a recommendation back.
09:26:31 So I look forward to that presentation from staff as well. And I also appreciate both pieces of input we got this morning.
09:26:37 So. Again, complex issues. I'll be interested to hear what the Planning Commission is bringing us.
09:26:45 Do we know when that is? Well, they they did make a recommendation on the 15 so I think it'll probably be next week or maybe the first the fourth okay Big day.
09:27:00 Yeah. So much of what you said, I was just like, why, right on. Yeah. So yeah, I appreciate you being here and bringing clear points to the conversation.
09:27:14 Let's see. Also look forward to digging into the SNP recommendation from the Planning Commission.
09:27:22 It sounds like the robust public process is happening as it's supposed to with healthy disagreement and dialogue.
09:27:30 So thank you both for being here and it's it's a really important. Plan. I would I think we all take it very seriously and so we'll commit a lot of time to digging into that
when it comes before us.
09:27:45 As for the Aquatic Center, I believe, and all the other comments were about the Aquatic Center.
09:27:52 Obviously, we will talk a lot more about it this afternoon. And also receiving just lots and lots of public comment on it and look forward to digging in.
09:28:05 I of course have been the county's rep on it. For many years actually, not just this iteration.
09:28:14 I would say it's not been a Port Townsend project. It has had county wide partners for many years and Yeah, it will say we did.
09:28:25 Look, Lopez Island is. Considering a similar structure to the one you mentioned, Mr. They have been working for about 10 years trying to get that built.
09:28:39 And they have run into a lot of challenges. Certainly can't say whether it's the same company or not.
09:28:45 But the part of the issue with those kinds of structures is that it is all what's called an auditorium space, pool space.
09:28:55 It's all wet, humid air. You cannot have other things. Added onto it, even changing rooms.
09:29:05 It's very challenging to build much else into it because it is the the air is is wet and moist.
09:29:12 So you do get higher costs when you want to have things like. The child care room or a party room or those things that actually help you produce more.
09:29:23 Of more revenue for covering more of the operating costs. So, do know that it's something that has been discussed and we've been watching Lopez's process and they have it's
been challenging for them to make a performer work on it as well.
09:29:39 So lots more to talk about. On the Aquatic Center, I could reply to a hundred things, but we'll be doing it later today too, so I won't repeat myself and hope that folks can
join for that conversation this afternoon.
09:29:54 Okay. Well, I will say to Mr. Tears, right now there's no action planned about the Aquatic Center this afternoon, but if we do take any action, I will make a public comment
before that to make sure that we, are fully informed.
09:30:11 You know, I agree with a lot what we've heard today too. Mr. Scarantina's new option is interesting.
09:30:18 It's good to hear the guys are considered that technology. I think new options are always, It's good to just understand what you're building to explore other options.
09:30:28 So I appreciate you bringing another option forward that we can consider. I tend to. Kind of agree with Mr. Schumacher.
09:30:38 I like your shirt too. But I mean, to me it comes down to the. Subsidy, you know, I mean, I think no one's mentioned that this morning, but the fact that Port Townsend subsidized
and will continue to subsidize this pool is something that makes it more challenging to put in Chemicum or the try area anyway.
09:30:59 But it also really to me means that it's a port towns and pool and I think that the prime service area of Port Townsend Okay, every house we get a new aquatic center in Port
Townsend is going to be if not an actual increase of value it has a substantial amenity that is a benefit and I I've heard from a lot of constituents A lot of people want the pool.
09:31:23 A lot of people, you know, down in Brandon and not just Kate George and, and California, but also Port Ludlow, which has a couple of pools, really don't think that they should
be, you know, pay pay an equal share for a pool that primarily benefits a service area that is Port Townsend.
09:31:40 If we were like most counties and Our biggest city was in the geographic center of the region. It would be a different, different, St, you know, really, but I, I struggle with
the PF.
09:31:54 The funding mechanism is the thing I struggle with the most and But I think there's good reasons. Why replacing the aging pool and I want a new pool and I think even if we whatever
the decision we make in the next couple weeks, I hope that it's part of the path to a pool.
09:32:11 That's I mean, that's my goal. I think that we really. It's the kind of Keystone that we need to make sure that we're a vibrant community going in.
09:32:20 Into the second half of this century. So. I'm excited about that. I appreciate the comments on the SNP as well, a shoreline master program and you know a lot of time has gone
into this you know I was on the task force with Mr. King you know for 2 years before the changes were made.
09:32:39 So we're talking 4 years of history. I look forward to seeing the recommendations from the Planning Commission.
09:32:44 I have not dug into that meeting yet. I'm pretty familiar with the The changes and. You know, often the case is if everyone's a little bit unhappy, that's the compromise that
might be best for the absolute public benefit.
09:32:58 But I have not seen the reports yet, so I appreciate the input. Show Walter, you know, meeting with you and the other residents of the Shine was very educational as well.
09:33:08 So it's, you know, that's the sticking point. I think I don't even know what the recommendation was on the.
09:33:15 The high watermarks, the setbacks was the other issue that I think there was challenge, challenge by at the at the planning commission.
09:33:21 So. Whether or not we'll have a hearing will depend on the recommendation we get. And I guess, how, how we go there, but there will be more comment opportunities as we process
that probably on the fourth of December it sounds like.
09:33:33 So really do appreciate the robust comments today. It's really helpful. As we go through our work to to have the barometer of the public with us.
09:33:44 So I appreciate it. Can I just add that I'm also super appreciative of the work that the Marine Resources Committee did on the shoreline master program updating process and
it was Not an easy conversation there either.
09:33:56 So I think that. That means they were good good meaningful conversations that contributed to this planning commission recommendation.
09:34:07 Great. Okay. 9 34.
09:34:13 So I will. Close public comments and thank you. You guys don't wanna stay with us all day?
09:34:33 Okay, thank you. So we will take a look at the consent agenda. Any thoughts, questions, concerns about items on the consent agenda?
09:34:45 I will just say I'm excited to see the items 3 and 4. It's just more of the process with DNR to.
09:34:52 Move Quimper East and Quimper West out of lease arrangements with DNR into the ownership of the county and this is.
09:35:01 I think we're mentioned that the 2 lease agreements from WSU. The documents or documents that have tracked changes in them.
09:35:14 And so when, you approve the consent agenda, we're going to accept those changes so that they don't appear in the document that you approve.
09:35:21 We have those. Okay. Great. And I think often people kind of leave their tracks on track changes on and we can always turn that off and we get them as well, right?
09:35:33 We should have accepted them. Yeah, I think I'm it uploaded them in the contract review and then they migrated over to the agenda directly.
09:35:40 Yeah. And maybe if someone doesn't have review changes on it, you won't see it and then someone else comes and they do have review changes on and then all of a sudden, it's
easy to miss.
09:35:50 And on another thing on item 12, the letter to DNR. I sent the draft letter to Carolyn just with.
09:35:58 Commissioner Franz's name, but I thought that the address block would get inserted in that letter.
09:36:08 You know, I want a letter. So yeah, I just, I didn't include the address block.
09:36:14 I'd like that update to that letter. let's just see doctor house.
09:36:27 You know, continued funding for that. It's a really unique, alternative to detention for our youth, which I'm really proud that we have and a lot of other counties look longingly
at the model that we use.
09:36:43 So. I'm happy to see that get refunded. Number 13 is Daryl Gillette losing Daryl Gillette from the Board of Equalization.
09:36:53 That's gonna. Impact all of us. I have a feeling. A lot of institutional knowledge.
09:36:59 He was a huge asset for the county and We're gonna have to. We might have to dig in.
09:37:04 That's the alternative. If there's not enough people seated to the board of equalization is that it comes to the Board of County Commissioners.
09:37:12 So we have 2 those that is a forum and we have an add-out for the 2 vacancies we have.
09:37:17 We have a vacancy for an alternate and a position number. And I have heard that we might be past VOA measures that are interested in.
09:37:27 Great. Awesome. We did have 2 applicants the last time we had a vacancy. So there was interest.
09:37:32 Fingers crossed. We did have 2 applicants the last time we had a vacancy. So there was interest. Fingers crossed.
09:37:36 It's definitely a real, there's a lot of teeth in that in that role. I was pleased to see both Cheryl Lowe and Tom Earlyman getting appointed to conservation future.
09:37:43 Let's do that first. I'm happy to move. To approve the consent agenda for. November twentieth 2023.
09:37:53 I'll second. Okay, I've got a little comment or 2 myself and then we'll get to it.
09:37:59 If anyone else has any additional comment, I don't have any issues or anything, but. I always like to lament how little we get for indigent defense.
09:38:08 I mean, as we put a million dollars in and we get $30,000, it is truly an unfunded mandate and one, you know, the mandate we take seriously and we want to make sure that that
everyone is gets legal defense, but it is, it's less than 3%.
09:38:24 Yeah, it is. Yeah. And awesome. But improving the quality of.
09:38:30 We'll buy the paper for the, yeah, the lawyers. I don't know. And then great to see public works get that Dailers Creek.
09:38:38 Yeah. 100% funded. So this is a small fee to take away that 15% match. And great that the Dustin continue to honor the HJ Carroll Park caretaker.
09:38:51 I think that's one of the things that we've I believe sacrificed in the budget is kind of making those those roles more robust.
09:38:56 So it makes it all the more important to keep our inner caretakers going.
09:39:02 Okay. Any other comments? All in favor of a approving and adopting the consent agenda as presented with correcting discriminators areas indicate by saying I Aye. Hi.
09:39:16 Any opposed? Alright, that is unanimous.
09:39:22 Ok, so we have our first timed item is a 1030 update from DNR with the the quarterly income.
09:39:32 So should we take a look back and look at our last week and then we might even have time for Anyone like to go first?
09:39:41 Yeah, I'm gonna let Kate go first. If the work you wanted to report on. Sure, I get the ring.
09:39:51 Oh.
09:40:01 Right. Different calendars to look at here. Precertification on certification hearings are canceled. That means nobody.
09:40:10 There weren't any ballot issues, right? That's the first time I've seen that.
09:40:14 Okay, thanks for covering for me anyways. Yeah, that's surprising.
09:40:21 Last week.
09:40:27 It was a busy week. Tuesday and Wednesday. It was in Spokane with the Association of Counties.
09:40:36 Conference the, really most of the the oxygen in the room was taken up by the decision of how to.
09:40:51 Give weight to the participation and, involvement of large counties who have, you know, structured a little bit like the Senate where each county has had Mostly equal representation,
very, very disproportionate to their population and to the dues that they've been paying in.
09:41:12 So, that was, definitely hanging over the whole conference. I would say and, certainly was a put a bit of a poll on things at the legislative steering committee as well.
09:41:25 We had a 3Â h meeting on Tuesday. Just really unable to to reach agreements with the King County in particular.
09:41:35 So as you probably know, those the organization voted to do the Waited, what was the, how did I have the awaited factors?
09:41:52 I voted for that and I thought it didn't. No. I don't know, I had to leave before you find the final ending so they could have come back around.
09:42:00 It went 2Â h over so I think we yeah we'll get you know have to find out how that ended but it ended with basically King County's very unhappy and will be considering pulling
out of the organization in some way.
09:42:13 So big changes ahead at WASAC. Likely. Attended. Oh, did it.
09:42:23 Then did the multi-factor not? I guess, yeah, I don't know. We both had to leave because the meeting when I couldn't go because I was on an airplane.
09:42:30 Yeah, it went so it's supposed to be 2 and a half hours and at what 4 and a half hours or something? You supposed to end at 11.
09:42:38 I had to leave at 12 and I think you left a about that time I was just there for a couple votes after you so I think it did not seem like it was anywhere near.
09:42:46 They were breaking for 15Â min so people check out of their hotel rooms and then coming back for more. Yeah.
09:42:51 Yeah, so. I will, I'm sure we'll be hearing lots more about this.
09:42:59 But some, you know, some good workshops otherwise, like really the networking is the most valuable part of that.
09:43:07 Of that event, had to, hurry to get back to have a celebration of life for a beloved county staff person we lost last month.
09:43:22 Really appreciate working with Central Services on that service. I think it was, it was lovely. So jumped back in.
09:43:33 To Board of Health Thursday afternoon.
09:43:44 Great present. Yeah, yeah, no, no action, no significant action really, but.
09:43:48 Yeah, great presentation on. Disaster kind of. How to engage communities after disasters. And the kind of mental health impacts that the disasters create and how to plan for
those.
09:44:03 I really wish that we invited. Psychological response. Psychological first day. Yeah.
09:44:10 To emergency response. That was the new the new bit for me. I wish Willie had been there. Yeah, to emergency response.
09:44:14 That was the new the new bit for me. I wish Willie had been there. It didn't think to invite him.
09:44:18 I didn't realize the focus was quite so a natural disaster focused. Icg meeting that evening and.
09:44:24 Interesting presentation and discussion with Department of Commerce. A really strong presentation. I learned a lot.
09:44:33 It's compelling and informative and moved. Yeah, I that was great. I'm so glad the first time I saw that I thought we needs to get ICG to see it and I I'm glad that it was interesting
to others, not just to me.
09:44:42 You know, I thought it was great. And obviously good discussion about how we continue to be effective as a group.
09:44:49 The ICG. Kick that can down the road a little bit, but that's okay.
09:44:53 The goodwill is there to keep working together and to use the comp plan city and Kenny's periodic updates to the count plan as a, you know, kind of give us a purpose and kind
of the work plan for ICG is really how it came out for me you know and still with some decisions to be made about what that looks like exactly but yeah I think it was good to see how
inspired the PV and
09:45:17 port commissioner were by it too. Yeah, it's like a great use of that table, you know, to get some real work by it too. Yeah, it's been like a great use of that table, you know,
to get some real work done together.
09:45:26 Yeah, yeah, instead of just Friday it was at an in-person Olympic consortium board and Olympic workforce development council meeting so we often meet separate but trying to
meet together more often and in person.
09:45:39 And some interesting outcomes from that for the first time, Jefferson County is meeting our the goals for reaching job seekers.
09:45:52 And like, so we use a kind of stop light, a green, green yellow red for how we're doing and meeting metrics and across the board it was all green for Jefferson County which
I've never seen in 7 years on that board.
09:46:08 The reason for that might not surprise you is cash incentives. So the state funded cash incentives for job seekers.
09:46:17 And it is getting people to sign up. That is being, expanded. There will be incentive payments of up to $1,000 a month for job seekers for up to 12 months and they can be in
retraining, they can be or just in training and a new job.
09:46:35 And so I think we can continue to see those those high numbers. Yeah, really interesting. To, you know, and was that regionally the same impacts of the cash incentives?
09:46:49 Yes, yeah, but typically get much better performance in. Exactly. Yeah, so this was the first time that Jefferson really jumped up.
09:47:01 Yeah, so it's interesting to see, to see the government dipping in and if they're considered very experimental.
09:47:07 To see you know what are the long-term effects. So there's a lot of data collection and evaluation of the programs.
09:47:15 Yeah. See the.
09:47:23 Olympic workforce is doing a strategic plan right now and they have chosen for our county. I believe we might overlap with.
09:47:30 Kalam on this too, the 3 sectors that will be focused on for our county or health care timber and forestry and maritime and fisheries.
09:47:38 Yeah, yeah, Cindy. From EDC was involved in helping pick those. So they will pick.
09:47:47 Particular jobs within those sectors and really and map out what are the entry points, what are the trading opportunities, what's the advancement, all with the goal of getting
to a A good job is good job initiative is a something being talked about across the state right now where there's a livable wage, there benefits and there's an opportunity for advancement.
09:48:12 So. We're looking forward to seeing that work and. Commissioner Johnson from Cleveland County was saying, you know, just have to be sure to keep this work.
09:48:25 And meshed with the recompete work too. And It seems to be aligning so far, but we gotta keep ensuring that those work in hand and glove.
09:48:36 Yep. And after that did the, Radio show, KPTZ. With Janet Zina from Washington State Fairies.
09:48:47 And, yeah, actually a couple of people said they listened to it. So it's always nice to hear it's wonder, right?
09:48:54 We talked a lot about the, you know, the perfect storm that is Washington state ferries right now.
09:49:00 It was interesting to hear that in, we have 5 new. Hybrid electric, votes that have been funded by the legislature.
09:49:08 They're generally built one at a time. The first one will come online in 2027. Wow, slower than buses.
09:49:16 Yeah, so, a little bit, little bit discouraging. But they have made it more flexible about where they can be built. But they have made it more flexible about where those can
be built.
09:49:28 Yeah, they can be built more flexible about where those can be built. Yeah, they can be built anywhere now so they will go out to bed.
09:49:33 Yeah, they can be built. Yeah, they can be built anywhere now so that we'll go out to bed. They still expect. Oh, good.
09:49:37 Just nationally. And the other. Change is that the state can own the design. So you could take that design and bid it out too.
09:49:48 Other. To other shipbuilders and, you know, just might be a little more consistency instead of kind of getting the the tweaks of different shipbuilders that you know we could
ask for consistent.
09:50:01 Design standards and then hopefully that would help contain the cost a little bit and build docs to accommodate that specific design and so.
09:50:11 Good conversation. And that was, oh, then had a, North Olympic legislative alliance during committee meeting and.
09:50:23 Robust participation there. Sounds like the group is going to take on one main priority, which is a bill that was mentioned in our packets, this data sharing bill.
09:50:38 So, yeah. Yeah. And state agencies requiring state agencies to report in a certain consistent way.
09:50:46 2 eightyios, there was Bill, drafted last year with Chapman was the sponsor on that.
09:50:54 Didn't get a lot of traction last year, but this is a good a good year for advancing that.
09:50:59 And then have a long list of other priorities and. None of them are things that I think we're in really good.
09:51:06 No losing a good position to take a lead on, but would be supporting as so for example if the state hospital association takes on a Medicare.
09:51:18 Supplement for births, OB and rural hospitals, we would support that if we decide to advance the Brennan sewer, Nola could support that.
09:51:30 So there'll be a list of about 6 or 8 things that we are prepared to engage with. As they arise.
09:51:37 So that summary will be coming to me shortly and I'll be sure and get it to you. But there was general agreement on that strategy.
09:51:46 Yeah. And that's it. We paid, we paid our share today. Yes.
09:51:54 They were they were very grateful and I was I was sure to make a point that we are paying half now and we'll be using that, that time and resource.
09:52:06 Good. Yeah. So I got, an update from WASAC. None of the voting options were approved.
09:52:14 So there's no change to the voting system for Wasack. What you think that harbors for membership.
09:52:26 I'm glad I have paid this year. And the another thing that needed to be clarified that came out of that meeting was
09:52:34 If you don't pay what happens. Right, because, the, although they did make changes to the bylaws.
09:52:49 Yeah, if you didn't pay by June thirtieth. Right. Yeah, then you and they haven't paid in full for years.
09:52:52 So that means essentially I think you know, I mean there was commissioners that we're talking about.
09:52:56 Let's keep this conversation going, but
09:52:59 Well, pretty final, I think, at least from King County. And then as people were trying to let King County pay less, that's what I had to leave.
09:53:08 You know, oh, well just make King County pay 25% and then Pierce County and Homish County stood up and said, oh, so you're gonna make us pay more than.
09:53:16 And you know, we don't have that capacity either. Yeah. And, although now, so I think that the budget that passed.
09:53:26 Was the King County paying half? Yeah, half their dues. So, and increasing everybody else's dues.
09:53:38 So. Or it will be in for a bit of a wild ride, the, you know, if King County pulls out that I don't know they didn't pass the budget where King County pays or was that the one
that they had worked out through the week?
09:53:50 Did they pass the one that was worked on during the week that I wasn't really privy to and they tried someone made a motion to adjusted and make King County so King County could
pay less and that's when the conversation started coming up from the other larger counties that, this isn't quite right.
09:54:06 To just say this large count doesn't have to pay, but we still have to pay full free.
09:54:10 Well, and so it sounds like they didn't pass any of those proposals. So it's the original budget.
09:54:14 But I think that's the WASAC board that passes the budget. Membership does the bylaws.
09:54:20 I believe. Do you think it was a recommendation? That they would the budget came back up talking about the budget that had been passed and making changes to it after we didn't
after the WAS Okay, yeah, I think it's still though is in the authority of the WASSE board so they will have to change it if yeah if it's Yeah, either, either with something pulling
out or if the
09:54:45 bylaws are then in disagreement with the, something pulling out or if the bylaws are then in disagreement with the, budget in some way.
09:54:51 I mean, that staff is Wassack I assume it means this would mean less staffing less capacity.
09:54:57 Yeah, yeah, which is terrible time being while they're hiring a new executive director. And you know, it's like I've, I have felt ambivalent about this because I understand
King County's frustration.
09:55:11 You know, why would they want the same voting power or a little bit more? You know they've had 2 2 votes basically whereas county like us has one i get their frustration and
they're floating the whole organization and not getting any of they will, projects, you know, they have less input than we do because we have, you know, a cohort of a lot of rural counties
that we can
09:55:35 find alignment with and sometimes. I also though heard at the WASSAC meeting that a number of the smallest counties would not get a vote without this.
09:55:44 Oh yeah, including us. Less than one. Yeah, less than one vote. So that was that was the big concern I was hearing from lots of tiny counties. So that was that was the big concern
I was hearing from lots of tiny counties.
09:55:57 Did you notice the call hanging over the whole And maybe it's because of my LSC role, you know, just feeling a sense of.
09:56:01 Care for trying to carry this organization, you know, along and not have it fall apart entirely. I mean, I, but I did that was the chatter around the edges for sure though.
09:56:12 I was more focused on. The sessions I was going to. So, all right, well, let, have your week go.
09:56:19 Okay, where you? What else happened on Monday? Anything? Let's see.
09:56:29 Okay, I flew to Spokane on Monday. Okay. So Tuesday morning first thing was the Timber County's caucus.
09:56:39 Which is a large table of some very small counties of Wossack and The 3 main pieces of kind of presentation content there was.
09:56:51 The DNR state forester came and gave kind of an after action on the wildfire season at DNR and you know, said.
09:57:01 That they were still a lot of ignitions across the state. But it wasn't a huge uptick in the volume of acres burned this year.
09:57:12 So, but the conditions like we heard here, things are dryer everywhere and staying dry or longer.
09:57:19 So. It was similar to what we've been hearing here. In the Olympic region. And there was a couple of interesting presentations from.
09:57:30 Counties that have their own forestry programs. King County and Scamania County and I have some Detailed notes about both of those but it was Interesting to learn that there
are quite a number of counties that actually have their own forestry programs probably over the course of the conference.
09:57:47 By the end of the conference I'd heard of about 6, including us. So. There's interest within the Timber County's caucus of forming a counties with forestry programs so we can.
09:58:01 Yeah, it would be a subcommittee. Yeah, share but share knowledge and How did you get a sense for how they were similar or different these other forestry programs?
09:58:12 Well the King County one has been in place I think since the late eighties or early nineties so and this I have notes.
09:58:22 I can't remember it all right now, but it's all parks and I mean basically for parks and sustainable.
09:58:30 Not necessarily parks. Just a lot of it is just open land. So open space, passive recreation and.
09:58:35 Forests. Yeah. And not a lot of conversation about those programs generating revenue for the counties, which is one thing I was listening for.
09:58:46 So. It felt like where we've been kind of piloting our forestry program is along the lines of what other counties are doing and And in my presentation on Wednesday, I got a
sense that other counties are very interested in what we've been doing here.
09:59:03 In terms of doing forest health Bennings and actually generating revenue from some of the forests that we own.
09:59:08 So. And then there was a Northwest Forest Management Plan, a federal, you know, Northwest.
09:59:15 Or as plan update and I have notes from that but I. Did not retain all that information. You guys I think are much better at Well, Kate is better at retaining the details.
09:59:28 Feel like so many things come through my head, then I get like. Lost in the snowstorm sometimes, but really good information and I take tons of notes so I can always go back
to them.
09:59:42 So let's see. Then I immediately went upstairs in the hotel and participated in a community foundation board meeting.
09:59:53 And then Our Behavioral Health Advisory Committee meeting was not gonna have a quorum, so I skipped most of WASAC that day and also participated in behavioral health virtually.
10:00:05 So yeah, so. Yeah, that was. It was a big day of sitting in my hotel room in Spokane.
10:00:14 Is it a long meeting? No, it was. 2Â h, 2Â h.
10:00:22 JCF was 2Â h. Beer health was 2Â h. So.
10:00:29 And then Wednesday. There was no corners bar. But there was a hospitality suite. Okay.
10:00:38 Did find that. It didn't stay too long. I heard the other people stayed. So all hours of the morning.
10:00:44 Not me. Not, not either of you. Jefferson, and contingent. I went to the coastal caucus meeting the next.
10:00:55 Morning and Kate was there as well and just a listen to see what that. Tables like and there was a presentation on funding programs and A lot of it was review for me, but.
10:01:07 I felt like it was a good. Refresher. Then the afternoon on Wednesday myself and Sarah Ogden from DNR gave a presentation on all of the work that we've been doing with DNR over
the last couple of years here in Jefferson County.
10:01:23 Sarah led with kind of all the context setting and so. Then I led with examples of projects that fit into these different programs that DNR has.
10:01:31 So trust and transfer and And then the new 83 million dollar proviso from the last legislative session and the whole encumbered lands issue and replacement lands.
10:01:41 So. We ended up talking about all of the various. DNR County interactions, through the lens of Jefferson counties kind of conversation with them and that the room was by the
end of it.
10:01:55 The room was pretty full and There were a lot of questions at the end. We tried to keep our.
10:01:59 Presentation half the time and then. We have the time for questions and we had people staying beyond. Oh, really? Yeah.
10:02:07 What would turn other questions? How would you characterize? I don't know. There was some counties that had for more counties that had forestry programs or were doing forest
health thinnings on their forests even if they didn't have forestry programs.
10:02:24 So there was some back and forth about that. Ponderay County was one in Northeast Washington. And then Pierce County.
10:02:30 I had a lot of questions about. All the strategies that we've been working on with DNR and how they can get shuffled into that deck and are very interested in kind of.
10:02:42 Firing up before. Forestry program for Pierce County. So those were kind of the 2 biggest kind of side conversations that happened as a result of that, but there were other.
10:02:53 Popcorn questions. And then let's see.
10:02:59 Wednesday and then. I flew back so I couldn't listen to the Glossack dues conversation, but I was very interested in.
10:03:10 What was going on. And drove straight back to the Olympic Peninsula and I think I shared what I at least shared with Kate.
10:03:18 I'm not sure I've shared with you. I felt like I was. Sucking fumes as I coasted down the hill.
10:03:22 On my little electric car. I made it into. A charging station and then got a ride from the charging station to the memorial for Chris and I was glad to make it in time but it
was It was definitely my first real range anxiety that I had.
10:03:41 Yes, I've now had my own experience. Then that afternoon we had the Board of Health meeting as you mentioned and then The ICG meeting in the evening and I also felt like it
was a great conversation and I feel a lot of hope for.
10:03:55 The ability to dig into some work around our comprehensive plan updates together periodic reviews so Excited about that.
10:04:05 Friday I attended a event at Sunfield Farm School. For my God daughters, it was they have a families day every year and Very wonderful, inspiring and Just get, you know.
10:04:21 There's a lot of education going on in our community that often doesn't get counted because we just count the number of kids in public schools and I think it'd be interesting
to figure out how many kids are getting educated in alternative settings.
10:04:32 To know actually how many schools or how many schools are active in Jefferson County and you guys as parents might have a better.
10:04:39 Since then me but Yeah, but they heard it in from school programs. Yeah. Church related schools and I mean, cause Sunfield has larger classes than they've had in the past.
10:04:54 So there's quite a few kids there, so. Then there was the county coordination meeting.
10:05:01 Thanks for covering that. What you guys talk about there? Oh, county coordination. Let's see, do I have notes?
10:05:10 Okay.
10:05:15 What should we talk about accounting coordination? I'll look at the agenda. No, it's just it was really around mostly around roundtable.
10:05:25 We talked about strategic plan implementation. And kind of a need to set kind of a. Process for strategic plan and implementation and and have some kind of maybe a work group
that makes sure that we're tracking our strategic plan as we move forward.
10:05:43 And then there was also an item around just the budget process and where we're at in the budget process that Mark reviewed the budget.
10:05:51 Or some conversation and past meetings about the. Strategic plan implementation being kind of reported out at every county. Coordination meeting.
10:05:59 And some people are like, I'm not as interested in that. Is there a consensus reached? I think I felt like there was more of a consensus to have a separate subcommittee tackle
that and then maybe a short report on a strategic plan implementation at the coordination meetings.
10:06:14 And then, I'm just reporting on coordination and I said we talked about switching to plan implementation, the budget process and the upcoming budget hearing.
10:06:23 And then did a round table and you know as always that's the bulk of the agenda and I feel like people still value that time as Just sharing out and asking each other questions.
10:06:36 I've got a small group that won't be I think 11. Yeah. And then in the afternoon I worked on the letter and the agenda request for the day Bob expansion as we promised Bob Winslow
that we would do on the sixth.
10:06:51 So. That's in our packet today and then.
10:06:56 Oh weekend I was trying to post a derelict boat for DNR, but the tides.
10:07:01 The collotides were in the middle of the night. So I finally got it posted at 8 am this morning or just before like 7 45 this morning.
10:07:10 As the tide was coming in and I It was funny commissioner this morning. I was jumping over logs and climbing over things and I got to actually put a physical tag on it.
10:07:20 Yeah. Yeah, very kind of challenging, but yeah. That's not gonna as we go through our yearly assignment of duties.
10:07:30 That's not going to be one of the duties that we have to. Choose who goes and, tags derelict boats, is it?
10:07:40 Any excuse to hang on a beach in the morning? And you know, anyway, I had to go 3 times to the beach to try and tag this boat.
10:07:48 Work, work, work. Yeah, no, fun, fun, fun. So anyway, I mean, it's It's pretty.
10:07:53 Over the course of the last week, I would say I was getting a lot of input about boats.
10:07:57 There was a boat that sank in Discovery Bay. May probably saw that on Facebook and There been a number threatening and then that one the 83 foot coast guard boat that sank right
near where I was tagging about this morning is still.
10:08:12 The ball's still out there so it's still there under the water and I know DNR is Trying to grapple with it, but.
10:08:20 Super challenging and Just more boats in the bay, so. More potential derelict vessels.
10:08:28 Yeah.
10:08:30 Okay. Let's see. Does that conclude last week? Well, and I spent I literally spent I think 9Â h yesterday reading public comment and researching, you know, digging back into
research and looking at all the public comment.
10:08:46 There was anyway, I felt like I want my Sunday back. But anyway. There I was.
10:08:54 You're good to hear it again today. Yeah, yeah, just the beginning. Hello, my week with you of course on Monday and on Tuesday I met with Mark and Amanda Christophersen, and
on Tuesday, I met with Mark and Amanda Christopherson out of PUDDAY.
10:09:11 And on Tuesday, I met with Mark and Amanda Christopherson out of PWD offices to talk about the Brennan wastewater system.
10:09:12 There was some There was talk about the consolidated water survey that we did with EPH in partnership with them at being a real critical piece to that, but the, you know, getting
consolidated water system going, there's a lot of failing wells due to, you know, baling septics as well as saltwater intrusion.
10:09:31 So That's a kind of a critical piece of developing the infrastructure. They were, and tell me if you think I miss characterizing Mark, but I think they're looking for other
alternatives or looking for options where maybe if we were managing portal or something, which was not something I'd heard before that we could manage the brand wastewater system.
10:09:52 And I think we learned that's not really in the cards, right? You know, I met with Manny after that meeting with Kevin and Dantopertuber.
10:10:02 And, said that his His intent is to have the PUD manage the server and the Port Hadlocks who are too, that the port had a lot.
10:10:12 Yeah, yeah, but I always do the billing and so on and. The staff member that money has that has operational experience. Manny has that, has operational experience.
10:10:23 Manny has that, has operational experience. Manny has that, has operational experience.
10:10:26 Manny has operational experience. Manny said that that kind of experience is useful when you're building a sewer because they can question that kind of experience is useful
when you're building a sewer because they can question things and recommend a sewer because they can question things and recommend things as they move along with construction.
10:10:34 So So I'm scheduling a meeting with Kevin, I think on Wednesday of this week and Manny.
10:10:38 To, to cement that. And that would make things much more possible for the PD. If they could do water and sewer both.
10:10:47 Right. In Brennan. Yeah. That's great.
10:10:50 And they are definitely, I mean, they're interested in helping and they. You know part of ecology is kind of okay commerce and GMA those hurdles are cleared now And the big
thing that we, our takeaways, our action items after that were, you know, talking to Monty and kind of waiting for the FEMA report to come out, which is I think been pushed to January.
10:11:12 That right? Well, their visit is mid December, but Brent asked for delay and I don't know whether the delays been granted.
10:11:18 Okay, so that female work is kind of, you know, just the flood way work and whether that's going to be a what kind of barrier that's going to be.
10:11:25 But we're talking right now and I'll share, we're almost done with the white paper.
10:11:29 It's like the Brendan, you know, ad hoc sewer group has asked for this as well.
10:11:33 And we're just about done with that. Amanda's been doing real humans work there and we'll share it with you guys too.
10:11:39 Probably have a presentation here in a couple of weeks afterward. Well, maybe after the female. Visit happens to bring everyone up to speed, but the game is definitely a flip
down there and skipping ahead to my Friday you know we met with Director Mike Fong from Department of Commerce came out, he toured Mason Street with Habitat and with Atlantis, came
into City Hall and Josh Peters and I were
10:12:05 there representing the county, Emma Bolan and John Morrow. Jamie Machieveski from Habitat and Gary from Bayside was kind of the group.
10:12:16 Plus Dave Pringle who is I think the critical liaison in that kind of like the legislative liaison.
10:12:23 He was there as well as a couple other staffers from commerce. Really good conversation. And, and of course, Rep Tharinger. And that's, you, Vernacular.
10:12:33 Do you, do you guys say that rep? Yeah, okay. I think that's what commerce would always refer to Steve as Rep. I'm gonna adopt it now.
10:12:42 So Rep Chapman reppped their injured. That's what the kids in the nose say. That what you say?
10:12:50 Yeah, well, widely in Olympia. So it was new to me. You know, has always felt like, whoa.
10:12:55 Dirt off my knees. But really good conversation, some of the things that we talked about a lot and kept coming back to were and all the people at that table were really focused
on was how AMI is such a bad metric for commerce's work you know and we talked about our you know the unaffordable but affordability compared to our AMI and our AMI being lower than
Seattle and our affordability
10:13:20 actually being less than Seattle, you know, is that really creates challenges. So. Good conversation, talked a lot about the Brit and sewer 2 and Rep.
10:13:30 There was, you know, had kind of preloaded that he was really interested in that project and so we brought the consolidated water project as well as the sewer up as real critical
infrastructure and I think made a lot of headway but Commerce was really Listen about the AMI issue and I think in like your briefing for our legislative conversation later today.
10:13:56 It seems like. Commerce, I think, DIRE identified. I think you said in that in that kind of briefing that did identify the implementation in commerce as being that maybe where
that actually needs to change more than legislatively.
10:14:13 But okay, so more in the role. I think they are receptive, but you know, hitting, you know.
10:14:15 Both the ledge and the and the administrators. Is good. I don't know. Do we lobby commerce?
10:14:21 No, but, and they would probably want funding to do that work. We need to pull together a work group.
10:14:30 So legislatively it could be asking for proviso to create a work group to come up with better.
10:14:36 Got metrics or standards for. And housing dollar allocation.
10:14:42 I'm sure I'll come back and hit other things as I, as I, that we talked about there.
10:14:47 Can I ask though, is, is the timeline for the FEMA report? Is that what you're calling us though?
10:14:53 Is the timeline for the FEMA report? Is that what you're calling it? Well, it's the customer assistance visit.
10:14:56 Yeah, to kind of figure out rates and all sorts of different things, insurance rates, Would we, I mean, if we're considering a, a legislative ask for the sewer, would, Would
that timing not align or do you think we could still put together a request?
10:15:13 Without that information. What's the timing for the request? If we were going to do some legislatively on Brennan, that would be.
10:15:21 We want to be starting that right away. I don't think it gets in the way.
10:15:27 It just could. Put a I, I don't really, I don't have a good answer.
10:15:35 And it's a supplement. If it's funding tied, it's supplemental this year, right?
10:15:40 But I'll take care of the capital budget committee. So yeah, you know, it's a tiny project for for rep there.
10:15:49 Yeah.
10:15:51 Yeah, I'll try to get some answers and when we get the white paper to you guys in the next couple of weeks, we'll address that issue too.
10:15:58 The barriers are. But I'm not sure how much we can rush that so we might not know the answer.
10:16:04 . And then, would we be looking for like. Funding for design or for outreach or for construction like how I have no longer construction I mean there's a lot of pipes in the
ground that need to be you know updated and added right there's like the NVR itself it's you know a similar membrane bio reactor that we're building an hadlock that's good that has
lots
10:16:31 of capacity but the the piping infrastructure is what needs to be.
10:16:37 . So would that be actually in the supplemental session or what were you looking at the next? For the actual full budget.
10:16:48 Sorry, I'm thinking this feels like planning. 24 and how can you rely on the consolidated water system work and that work too.
10:16:55 So you know. Digging once one possible. I don't know. Probably planning first.
10:17:01 In 24. Yeah. I've been stretching 25. Okay. Thank you.
10:17:09 That's that's me responding to a good sense that. We don't have a workout.
10:17:13 Think about timing. Yeah. Okay. Then let's see.
10:17:21 Most of Tuesday I was commissioner France's wingman basically went down down. I was I was in Spokane like can somebody go down there? Yeah, I was running.
10:17:36 Fish and wildlife down at the, the Clan Beach and Quill. So they were late so I went over to Rock Point and Talk to the PDN with Hillary and and and Peter Bales and then went
to my WDFW appointment and went back for Q 13 there was something on but I didn't know.
10:17:55 I was so grateful you could go. 13, there was something on, but I didn't get for Q 13 there was something on but I didn't know I was so grateful you could go because I was like
well for that would just celebratory announcement of the 671 acres and you know spoke there too as well as I was glad that Peter spoke after Commissioner France.
10:18:12 He has a hard act to follow. Dynamo, but, I think, well, it was like, that's an understood.
10:18:20 75 people there, I think, or something. Yeah, I was about. So I sent it out to the Atlanta Trust email list.
10:18:35 Yeah, I don't. Yep. So, and then I went to the quilt, and Brennan Empowered Teens coalition on Tuesday and didn't go to the BHC, but I'm sorry.
10:18:50 I would I would have done that instead if I don't you really had gorm issue so I'm sorry about that.
10:18:55 Also stop briefly by the housing solutions networks five-year anniversary Finn River before I couldn't really stay for too long.
10:19:04 You know doubled their staff you know they're doing good stuff and Yeah, I think ready to take the next.
10:19:12 We've definitely focused on the city or for multi-family housing.
10:19:17 And that was Tuesday. on Wednesday at a meeting with, Some BHC folks, Jim Naveli and Dounia from Jefferson Healthcare and Lori talking about grant strategies.
10:19:31 Then we had our Jefferson County. General, interview and, Clean clean bill no findings.
10:19:42 It's great. So also included in that was the multiple ethical complaints about me sitting on the only cat board dismissed with essentially and then also there was the accounting
office.
10:19:59 They looked at citizen issues and said no I mean Lots of commissioners sit on lots of nonprofits that they end up giving money to if that wasn't allowed then we'd have to redo
the system basically.
10:20:12 We also, there was a complaint that, our, I think it was 10 or $20,000 to KPTZ for news programming that that was unethical but that was also cleared as just fine.
10:20:24 And in it, yeah. Who was that from? I don't know who made the complaint.
10:20:30 They, so the accounting SAL goes back and reaches that and closes the loop with the citizen complainers.
10:20:40 It's going to go back and reaches that and closes the loop with the citizen complainers.
10:20:44 It was covered in the free press, but I don't know. Yeah, I think the complaint was that we were buying favorable coverage.
10:20:53 Right. And it could have been someone that read the article. I mean, I have no idea who made the complaint.
10:21:00 But they, the office closes the loop with the person via letter and phone. Yep. So they actually shared the letters with us. Okay.
10:21:07 Oh, I'm somehow missed that. That's good. I told them they could make the Only cap one snarky, but they probably didn't.
10:21:15 And then class Wednesday afternoon, Jeff Com was actually canceled and we're doing it in December instead.
10:21:25 Met with, citizen. Including Marilyn Show Walter who is here.
10:21:33 It was a lovely memorial from Stragoy. And yeah, I was at Board of Health, of course, with you and ICG.
10:21:42 Met with city council in mchager on friday morning a couple citizen contacts as well.
10:21:54 Phone calls. And then I missed actually the North Olympic. Recomputes. Coolitions meeting we're going to start meeting every couple weeks just to you know not be caught flat-loaded
kind of like we were last time if we do get the award.
10:22:06 Some of the reports indicate A good chance? I don't know. I mean. We have, I think there were 20 Washington one so if you assume there's gonna be at least one or 2 Washington
ones and Probably one in the sixth district.
10:22:22 So that's sort of how we're looking at these. Are there other 6 district? So that's sort of how we're looking at these.
10:22:28 Are there other? Grace Harbor County put one in, Mason County, put one in.
10:22:32 I think those are the only other 2. And very few were kind of Multi-county, multi-county coalition.
10:22:40 So I think that's a. It's a challenging conversation to yeah to parse that. I thought the ICG meeting was great and I thought Dave Anderson from Commerce was just a fountain.
10:22:54 Education and strategic thinking. I thought it was really, really strong and that is that'll be it's one of the capture that one.
10:23:02 Yeah. Okay, so I would add that's one that for the public to go watch I think I learned a lot and I, that's one that for the public to go watch, I think I learned a lot.
10:23:13 And I think, but Josh and Emma, you know, when I saw him on Friday after they both learned a lot.
10:23:22 And those are the high points of my week. Mark, you think 7Â min? Can you, we've talked about a lot of things that you did already?
10:23:31 Usually.
10:23:33 So Monday with the board on Tuesday the fourteenth, attended that meeting that Greg mentioned about the Brennan wastewater question.
10:23:44 I thought it was a very constructed meeting. And then later that morning met with Wendy Housekeeper.
10:23:50 This was. Prior to making an employment offer. And you can tell that that meeting was successful.
10:23:58 I, I walked in. I couldn't believe she's here already. Yeah, okay. I'm gonna go introduce myself.
10:24:07 So I think she'll be a great addition to the team. And then 2 o'clock that afternoon met with the A team and then had a quick.
10:24:14 Budget call with Judy Shepherd. And then I attended that wonderful event announcing the 671 acres and actually got to meet Miss France.
10:24:28 Didn't expect that, but that was nice. And then on the fifteenth. We did have the audit out brief, a number of comments made by the auditor that will pay attention to recommendations
for how we can tighten up the ship.
10:24:45 And I was really happy to see those citizen complaints put the bed. And then, met with, Ben Bauermeister, Cindy Brooks, John Morrow.
10:24:57 Aaron Berg and Kevin Street, public sector cabinet spent a great deal of time talking about the recompete grant and strategies for how we might tweak that going forward to a
accommodate the the needs and wants of Kalam and whoever else.
10:25:15 And then, So that was a good meeting. And then on the sixteenth. Weekly with Josh Peters.
10:25:26 They are remarkably close to being fully staffed. I'm morale in the department is Very, very strong and the backlog is shrinking.
10:25:37 And I think when you heard, assessor Chapman talk about this being a very good year for new construction, I'm expecting next year to be even better based on how that department
is functioning.
10:25:50 At the moment. And it'll continue to improve. Then the ICG meeting in the evening.
10:25:57 And, Let's see, had coffee with Mallory Weinheimer to talk about the contract for, next year, her current contract expires at the end of December.
10:26:11 I met with Sarah Melonson to talk about organizational health. I think you know that's one of our 6 strategic priorities and I think we have a really good program.
10:26:22 That, when we have the larger meeting to talk about implementation. We'll share.
10:26:28 The steps that we have come up with to help improve or organizational health. And then county coordination meeting even though only 11 members it was a robust conversation and
Heidi already pretty much covered the topics.
10:26:42 And that were on the agenda. So that was it for me. Great. Thank you, Mark.
10:26:51 So we have a scheduled 1030, meeting to get our quarterly update from, DNR.
10:26:58 Yeah, let's do a quick little break. We'll come back at 1030.
10:27:03 So. Good 4Â min.
10:36:00 Okay.
10:36:07 Alright, welcome back. I'll call this 1120 meeting of the BOCC back into session.
10:36:12 Sorry, a little minute. Late getting back. We're joined now by Rosenbaum and not sure anyone else today.
10:36:21 I know there's no jail, right?
10:36:22 Yeah, Jill's in Europe right now, so.
10:36:26 Yeah.
10:36:25 Good for her. Alright, well we're here for the quarterly. Dnr, County Income Report and, the Appreciate the the documents in the packet and we'll turn it over to you, Drew.
10:36:41 How are you doing?
10:36:41 Great. So second and third quarters have both been really good to Jefferson. As I reported last time, 1.5 million in second quarter.
10:36:53 And then 1.8 million and third quarter. I wasn't sure that Taylor, when Taylor Downhill sorts was gonna pay out, but that came in.
10:37:03 In third quarter, so that helped us finish out really well. And so yeah, 1.8 million looking at a total.
10:37:14 So far of 4.3 million, so that's really good. And then fourth quarter projected and it just, well, 445,000.
10:37:26 Is what I'm still hoping to get. About Jupiter extended. Tough logging, cable logging right now.
10:37:37 They're The purchases are having trouble finding cable loggers. So they had to extend a year and that's that's some really difficult yarding up there.
10:37:49 So I was hoping to see that pay off in fourth quarter. With initial deposit paying off after the first of the year, but it looks like that's gonna be on hold till.
10:38:01 Probably late spring, early summer now. And then Pennywise. I thought it was moving for a while.
10:38:10 We got 300,000 third quarter. From them. Hoping to get another just short of 400 but that We still got a month to go, but that hasn't come through yet, so.
10:38:21 My prediction for 2024 under contract ending the year was 300,000 but that potentially could go up to 5 between 4 and 500,000.
10:38:36 So then just, just don't seem to be moving right now with a few of them.
10:38:43 Standard 21 is just still moving kind of slow and steady, which is typical for, for thinning so and then last Crocker sorts has been.
10:38:55 Through SEPA through the board and is on track to sell in December. Appraised value 1,389,000.
10:39:08 Should do better than that should do quite a bit better than that. We're still our November auction.
10:39:16 We only had one sale. But real strong bidding, we got 5 bidders and I think it went almost 50% over bed.
10:39:23 So.
10:39:23 Wow, is that something you're seeing elsewhere as well?
10:39:24 Good. Yeah, we're doing fairly well still even even out in the Clearwater Block where you know we've sold the last of our T 3 research sales last in.
10:39:35 I guess October still getting good bids. Still, you know. 3 plus bidders per sale, so I'm pretty pleased with what I'm seeing.
10:39:46 The market is trending downward right now. Which isn't too unusual for this time of year, but.
10:39:54 But we're still doing well. I'm still getting a lot of competition, so I'm feeling pretty good about things.
10:40:01 And then last Crocker, of course, selling in December, it won't deliver till 2024.
10:40:07 And what was the amount, the estimated amount for that? I can't, the numbers are so small.
10:40:13 A 1 million.
10:40:16 Okay.
10:40:13 Yeah, 1,389,000 is the appraised value and it's a hundred percent Jefferson so just you know, this minus the 25% is just over a million.
10:40:28 And I, again, I would expect to get much more than that.
10:40:34 And we've been getting input about that one, but.
10:40:39 Right. Have you guys all been getting? I mean, comments about last cracker sorts. Yeah, I think we've been pretty firm about, sorry.
10:40:49 Meet the metrics of the. I think we've been pretty firm about, sorry, this meets the metrics of the yeah, the metrics of the, yeah, additions that we, we laid out for DNR. Yeah,
I just wanted to say that again out loud. Yeah.
10:40:59 For folks watching or reviewing this later Is that the only sale for 24?
10:41:02 So I have not put in anything. This is our fiscal 24. So that's all you'll see until July and I haven't put in the 25 sales yet.
10:41:14 Gotcha.
10:41:15 We're still a little bit fluid on that one. So, 24 ends are. Sustainable harvest decade.
10:41:21 So and then we're going to start over fresh in 25 so we just haven't gotten there yet There's at least one sale I think.
10:41:31 There's one sale on there for for Jefferson that's County Woods. So. Well, I'll know more next time.
10:41:39 At the next quarterly when we finish up. 24.
10:41:44 Sounds good. And I think, Stacy Prade, our treasurer, had a question or a. We brought her over.
10:41:52 Stacey, anything that you'd like to add?
10:41:52 I just had a question about One of the recent distributions, I think it was DNR interest, but.
10:42:00 It has an agreement number that I wasn't lining up, but again, I can't really see it because the numbers are so small but There's 17,000.
10:42:11 400 or 500 or so and the agreement ended in 602
10:42:16 Is it is it on this page here? Can I I can zoom in.
10:42:22 Oh, gotcha.
10:42:23 Account number.
10:42:19 I'm not seeing it there is my my question. I just have that we received money. In November.
10:42:29 And I think this one was rung up as DNR interest. I was just curious if Drew could explain that.
10:42:35 A little bit.
10:42:36 Yeah, I'm pulling up my spreadsheet. That number rings a bell.
10:42:50 I've got an 18,000 that came in on 1117.
10:42:56 That was, yeah, that's eighteen-five and that's some ending in 6 6 2.
10:43:03 Yep.
10:43:03 But then the other one. Was a tax code 3 24 and the agreement ends in 602
10:43:16 Yeah.
10:43:12 And that was for 17,000. I will look that up. There, that's. Kind of odd.
10:43:21 So there's, big price for.
10:43:32 Okay.
10:43:28 So I don't track, I haven't been tracking the direct sales. On this sheet because they're so few and far between and they're usually just a few $1,000.
10:43:38 I will look that number up and see because I should have gotten a Should have gotten a report on that.
10:43:46 So I will look it up and get back to you.
10:43:47 Okay, thanks.
10:43:48 Good have been the Mountain Jupiter payout. There's like a
10:43:54 With border 17 1 9.
10:43:52 I don't think so. Hello.
10:43:58 That list is wired, but.
10:44:04 Mount Jupiter paid out. Well, 1,617.
10:44:13 And that was on 11 9.
10:44:18 So I'm not sure. I'm gonna have to dig into that.
10:44:21 Okay, thanks. I guess too if you could just send me the original because once I see it scanned, cause I don't get it directly, I can't really read it very well.
10:44:32 Okay, yes, I'll do that.
10:44:34 Thank you.
10:44:35 Yep, and I'll just start doing that every month. I'll get a just a copy of the actual spreadsheet and excel networks that should work better.
10:44:47 Yep.
10:44:45 That's fantastic. Thanks, Drew.
10:44:48 Anytime Stacy gets another Excel spreadsheet. It's good.
10:44:52 Oh.
10:44:58 Maybe while, we have a number of pertinent folks in one place, just to follow up on Greg's question about 2024 so it looks like right now anticipated revenue would be about
1.6 million is that right the 1.3 from Last crocker and I realized to the 25% obviously taken off the top of that and then the 300,000 on previous already under contract sales.
10:45:24 Is that? Is that accurate, Drew? Are you saying you think there will be additional revenues?
10:45:29 There'll be, there's, we, I'm sure we have another sale on the, on the books for, 2,025, our fiscal 25.
10:45:43 Right.
10:45:38 I don't think you'll see the income from that one in calendar 24. So I think we're probably close to.
10:45:47 Well, I'm showing 1.3 4. For 24 but I think it'll since Penny didn't pay out.
10:45:57 Well, I still have. I still have income for center 21. And Jupiter will have another payment.
10:46:07 At least one more payment coming. I'm thinking it'll with over bid, I think it'll be closer to 1.6.
10:46:16 Okay. And did we. Did we budge it for lower revenues? For these timber dollars, Mark.
10:46:28 Given that, you know, we're gonna see a pretty significant decrease in timber revenues in 24 did we budget accordingly.
10:46:38 Good budget. Hmm. I could look the number up, Kate. I'm sorry, had you do this last week too?
10:46:46 I don't remember the numbers. But I do know that. We were over budget this year.
10:46:52 So.
10:46:57 By the way, we don't need to take up Drew's time with that, but yeah.
10:47:02 It's such volatile revenue. Are we done?
10:47:04 If I could just remind everyone. That. The distribution will be based on the levees in the year that it's distributed.
10:47:16 Thank you. Drew, did we finish the timber school that you guys have been providing or is there, can we expect any more of the presentations?
10:47:27 Okay, great.
10:47:24 Yeah. Nope, those were the 4, but if you have further questions or want. Something else.
10:47:34 We haven't covered let me know and we'll get that put together.
10:47:37 Okay, well I really appreciate the effort you guys put into this 4 classes. They were really educational for me.
10:47:44 Yeah, for sure.
10:47:43 Yeah, they they were really good. It was a it was a really good idea and I think hopefully it helped.
10:47:52 Absolutely. Okay. Yeah, we've only budgeted. 372.
10:48:00 So I think we've accounted for a reduction. Okay.
10:48:05 So I think, you know, year to date with the total of what was distributed this year of 4.3.
10:48:15 The general fund amount was 633,000 plus 3,000 so It could be low, but we'll see.
10:48:24 Right, not just a general fund. Yeah, there's road fund and all sorts of things.
10:48:30 Okay, any other questions for Drew? No. All right. Well, thank you so much, Drew.
10:48:38 I hope you have a great holiday week and We'll see you next quarter.
10:48:43 Alrighty, thanks.
10:48:44 Alright, thanks. Take care.
10:48:46 You too.
10:48:50 Okay, well we're moving through our agenda. This morning. Next up with no set time is to talk about the contract we pulled from consent agenda last week with our, brawn consulting
group and I see Sarah's here.
10:49:05 So come on up and take a seat by the microphone, Sara and. I guess. I don't know, you wanna I don't know.
10:49:16 We are we all know we're here to talk about really it's just this contract in lieu of our changing strategic direction and we just wanted to have a little bit more conversation.
10:49:25 So why don't we let you kind of walk us through this contract and what your vision is for HR and you know the work with us consulting.
10:49:35 Yes, good morning. So just to summarize this contract, Bob Braun has provided, support.
10:49:48 Advice. Actual work and labor relations. Contracts, investigations, special projects to the county for a number of years.
10:50:01 And his work has been instrumental in in how contracts have been administered in Jefferson County during this time.
10:50:14 And he so he has a lot of history. And as well, there is a desire for a change and I understand that in the way that the county completes its collective bargaining and what
happens at the table.
10:50:29 So in the last year. Mark and I have sat at the table and then the lead, negotiate negotiators with our labor unions.
10:50:40 And during this time, Bob Ron has been kind of in the background if we have questions about. Steps taken, language.
10:50:51 Etc. And so his current contract ends at the end of this year. The contract on the table.
10:50:59 Before you would be to extend that another 18 months. Knowing that in the future the the county would like to change direction a bit and find other providers of this type of.
10:51:17 Work to the county. And that's the proposal we have before you. It. It is one that can be ended at any time.
10:51:29 I think it's a important time right now to have this in the background as. We're currently negotiating 2 contracts with another one to begin soon and next year will be negotiating
our, uniformed employees.
10:51:49 Thank you, Sarah. Questions, comments? I would just say that, you know, I checked in with Sarah offline about this last week and I understand then is the need and the desire
for some continuity in terms of a resource.
10:52:05 It's like having a A phone a friend in negotiations for our team taking this role on it's new to Sarah and Mark taking this roll on.
10:52:15 So this is our resource for them to provide some continuity and some support as they go through the next negotiation.
10:52:22 So it makes sense to me.
10:52:25 Yeah, I think you all know I've had, I've had concerns and wanted to go a different direction and.
10:52:31 You know, I, I feel like we've built some goodwill with staff this year through the most recent negotiations and I worry a little bit about kind of sending a mixed message and
effort some concern from a staff member about.
10:52:44 You know updating this contract so I still have those concerns but I also You know, need to have faith in our staff to.
10:52:54 Do what they need in order to be able to fulfill time sensitive functions. So I don't wanna.
10:53:02 To throw a wrench in the works. Unnecessarily but really want staff to know that we are still committed to continuing down this path of of reform in our collective bargaining.
10:53:15 Yeah, I agree with that and I think we've made, you know, great inroads into that this year, you know, and I think My and talking with folks a little bit about this.
10:53:25 My perception is that kind of having that, you know, the the professional hired gun, be the face of the county and the negotiations was the biggest part of the.
10:53:35 Tension, that I think we've ameliorated pretty effectively this year. So I, yeah, I'm supportive of this contract just.
10:53:45 Supporting the plan of staff basically, you know, moving forward, but I do take your point that No.
10:53:56 We need to make sure that the the goals and values that we the BOCC expects on the on the bargaining table make it to the bargaining table and I feel like we've gotten there
with with this arrangement.
10:54:11 I wonder too if if we could kind of commit to once this round of collective bargaining is done in 2,024 if at that point we then start preparing.
10:54:23 For a new RFP. If the contract is, you know, can be terminated before the 18 months.
10:54:33 Yes, I can commit to that. I think that we are moving toward this direction, of collaboration.
10:54:40 With our employees in the bargaining process. And that's the I think primarily that is what we're, where we are, what we're doing now and where we're headed.
10:54:54 And yeah, I'm happy to commit to that change. I just want to say I'm I just wanna express gratitude for you Sarah and Mark for going this direction and doing it with such grace
and care for our team.
10:55:09 I think it's super. Shows a sign of compassionate leadership and I'm really grateful.
10:55:17 For your leadership on moving this direction. I think it's a big shift for the county. I mean, having lived here for so long, I mean, I've heard for years about kind of the
good old boys club of the county and Concerns from residents of the county, you know, the county doesn't reflect their citizenry of Jeffrey, whatever.
10:55:44 It's all, it's all the scuttlebutt, right? But I feel like I totally agree with Kate.
10:55:46 We took We made the intention of moving in a different direction and I feel like this is part of that move.
10:55:51 When you turn a ship, it takes a while for the ship to turn. And to get on a new course and I feel like this is part of that turn.
10:56:02 And we're mid channel, right, right. Right. So that's why, you know, but I'm in the midst of that super grateful that you guys are at that wheel.
10:56:07 Navigating that and and just wanna. Not pass this moment without saying that. Well, thank you.
10:56:15 It's, you know, it's all about respect. Nice. Thank you. So if you're gonna consider proving this, I would ask that you approve it striking paragraph 15 dot 15, which is a ratification
class.
10:56:28 Since we're, if you adopt us today, we do not need a ratification. And so, if you approve it today, I would ask that you approve it.
10:56:37 Subject to striking that and then we would renumber every subsequent paragraph. Okay. And well said.
10:56:48 Highly, you know, I think. Honoring the progress that you guys have made in this path is really important.
10:56:55 That's why I'm supporting it. So. Any other conversation? Questions?
10:57:03 I'm happy to make a motion to approve. Labour relations and human resources consulting service and the amount of 50,000 between the county administrator and Braun consulting
groups, striking paragraph 15 dot 15.
10:57:20 The ratification clause and renumbering all the paragraphs following that one. I'll second.
10:57:29 Okay, it has been moved and seconded to approve the professional services agreement with Bob Braun consulting, striking paragraph 1515.
10:57:36 All in favor indicate by saying aye. Bye. Aye. You opposed? Okay, that is unanimous.
10:57:45 Thank you guys so much for taking the extra time to walk us through this. Thank you.
10:57:49 Okay, so, we've got a big briefing. This afternoon, led updates and a workshop on.
10:57:58 Some big work happening up at the hospital. So I guess let's take a look at haloring calendaring for the short Thanksgiving week first and and see if there's any other topics
that that need address in.
10:58:12 And I'd love to get out of here before noon to, for lunch if possible.
10:58:17 If a noon meeting you need to be. Okay. I'm sure we can do that. It's just that we have calendaring is all we have did before and then, unless there's some other burning problem.
Okay, folks need to talk about.
10:58:25 Yep. I'm happy to go first and it's gonna be quick. I'm here with you all today.
10:58:32 And I did notice I have mentioned this earlier that the audit. The election. Pre-campacing board meeting was canceled so that must mean Does anyone know?
10:58:46 Is there no challenge balance this time? I don't know, I'll follow up with Quinn at lunch.
10:58:51 So, and then let's see, so tomorrow I have. A very light day I'm having lunch with.
10:58:57 Al Karen's our solid waste manager just to. Talk to him about a number of solid waste issues and I would also say.
10:59:04 In the spirit of gratitude since we're in Thanksgiving weekend or week, I would say I'm super grateful for Al.
10:59:11 He's been leading on a number of fronts and. They've all been heavy lifts lately.
10:59:17 And so. Just wanted to have lunch with them and catch up and here, here where things are at.
10:59:24 So doing that tomorrow. And then in the evening I'm going down to the Aquatic Center community event and Brennan.
10:59:30 To hear from the community. About what their thoughts are on the Aquatic Center. I'm having lunch with Councilmember McCaige, I mean coffee with councilmember McKager tomorrow.
10:59:45 And then I think I think I'm just getting my haircut. And so then.
10:59:49 I have a lot more work to do at my house for Thanksgiving. And then I'm going to be, I think I'm KPTZ this week, but maybe we should review the calendar at some point, but we
can we can take a look at that.
11:00:03 I will be on there with Superintendent Mock talking about the upcoming Showing him school levy and other issues going on at.
11:00:09 Chimcombe School District. When is the levy gonna be on the ballot? February.
11:00:16 Levi, capital. Yup. Something will be need to be aware of and maybe ask for a briefing from Hunsucker on too as we as things move on to ballots just how how we are able to talk
about them and support them or not.
11:00:34 Yeah, right. I need a refresher on that if we as we move forward. Great. Okay, light week and You reviewed your Thanksgiving plans already.
11:00:45 You've got, 18 people over to your house for not a required update. Not a required update, but not Stacy Brothers.
11:00:55 I invited her, but she's going to stay home while you guys, you. Oh yeah, just hunkers down and work.
11:00:58 Yeah, yeah, just hunkers down and work. Yeah. I just hunkers down and work. Yeah. I don't think she's gonna leave the property.
11:01:03 Yeah. I don't think she's going to leave the property. She's going to leave the property. She's shopping yesterday. So she could just, yeah, yeah. She could just, yeah, yeah.
11:01:08 She let's see. call over the lunch hour. I think it's there actually a Wasack meeting?
11:01:17 I can't imagine. They don't usually have one after. I don't know. And it's on the calendar but I'm guessing that might not.
11:01:26 Carolyn, sorry. Today, I believe there's no WASEC meeting. There usually isn't one right after the conference.
11:01:37 But, well, I can't attend because I have another. Another meeting. Anyway, so somehow got ripped into leading a federal leadership task force meeting tomorrow for the Puget
Sound Partnership.
11:01:53 So head of regional EPA. Noah, others. Coordinating, some of the, large scale salmon and habitat restoration projects in the Northwest.
11:02:06 I think it's a quarterly meeting or annual meeting, something like that. So that planning meeting today then share that meeting tomorrow.
11:02:16 There's EDC Finance Committee meeting tomorrow morning. On Wednesday, be planning with Paul Jewel, he and I are presenting to the House local government committee.
11:02:26 In a couple of weeks, their committee days, so talking about, you know, presenting how the needs of county isn't, how we will be working with that committee in the upcoming
session.
11:02:39 Have a meeting with Mark. And Amanda and Judy on Wednesday to discuss the, how we want to work with overhead charges on some of the work that Amanda is doing.
11:02:49 So that might be something that comes back to us to discuss as well. This is something that comes back to us to discuss as well.
11:03:00 That's something that comes back to us to discuss as well. This is working on a multi like the child care. Exactly.
11:03:03 Yeah, that's what's really driving. Yeah, exactly. That's driving this conversation.
11:03:07 But I, you know, I think it is a policy question too, which we've talked a little bit about here, but I, you know, I think it is a policy question too, which we've talked a
little bit about here, which is, position be generating additional revenue, covering the cost of the position, you know.
11:03:12 And not sure if we have a childcare center team meeting on Wednesday or not before the holiday, but then obviously off.
11:03:21 The rest of the week after that. You're going to the housing fund board meeting on Wednesday? That is not on my calendar.
11:03:30 Okay, we do. Yeah, like I can work at lunch. I'm sorry. We do.
11:03:39 Yeah, like I can work there at lunch. I'm sorry. I've been. Okay. What time is that meeting?
11:03:41 From 2 30 to 4 30 Wednesday. Okay, and I will be on a plane so unable to attend myself.
11:03:48 Okay. Okay, Judy will be attending. So we're. At that meeting.
11:03:54 There's some modifications to the recommendations you'll notice that we haven't gotten the recommendations here you know It was delayed a couple of weeks to talk about with
Judy about.
11:04:06 The changes that she would she would like so I made some adjustments to some of our funds so whenever possible without changing the award amounts if it could just be paid from
1 48 or just from 1 49. So I just kind of consolidated them as much as possible.
11:04:26 So only one of them. Page out from both 1 48 and 1 49. And then we got a subsequent.
11:04:30 Budget from Owl 3 60 about how much of their budget could be used for a new projects to qualify under that 60% and it was not quite as much as the total.
11:04:43 We just put the whole 1 86 but it was more like. 1 50 or 1 40 or something like that so less from the 60% would be coming out so that's the critical work and then in committee
updates.
11:04:52 And, I mean, if it's not on my calendar, presumably it's not on other people's calendar, which worries me right before the holiday.
11:04:58 Do we know if we have a quorum? I don't know. It's on my calendar, but it's weird.
11:05:03 Twice on my calendar. So I just added it myself. Okay. But we'll get that out today. But we'll get that out today.
11:05:12 I've been, How party. I am. I have a conflicting meeting, but that's more important.
11:05:19 Completing the agenda. So we'll get that out today. Okay, I just worry. End of day before holiday, day before holiday that other folks don't have it.
11:05:29 It's probably we might have a core. Yeah, we'll figure that out. So we have to.
11:05:38 Okay. So that's your week, Kate? Okay, my week. Let's see, today is the never ending day is after this.
11:05:49 So. Run down for a 4 30 to 6 30 Northwood canal chamber meeting. As well as the, annual.
11:05:56 In the annual meeting. It's also we'll have Will O'donnell from the PD coming to talk about the the state of the PV fiber project.
11:06:07 I've heard great things about the Brennan one too, supposedly they're gonna start turning people on here soon.
11:06:13 The canal communication one down in Britain. So. Get that update and then I'll be joining Bob Winslow at the Filson Fire Department for more talk about the 671 acres.
11:06:25 That's all today. So 4 30 to 6 30 and then 7 o'clock. Backing it in. You're not gonna have a full week these 2 days.
11:06:34 Actually tomorrow is very light. Actually tomorrow is very light. Though I was also planning to go to the Brennan cool editorial meeting so I don't know could we notice that
That's tomorrow at 6 p.
11:06:47 M. At the Brendan Community Center from 6 to 8. Do you have to do a hybrid?
11:06:54 No, as long as you're in person. You don't think we'll just, just an in person.
11:07:00 Yeah. So yeah, both Heidi, I will be there just so we can both actually respond to questions.
11:07:07 It would be great. We're yeah, community generated pool. We can work on that once too. Yeah, it's probably really basic agenda.
11:07:20 We don't have any items that other items.
11:07:22 And then I'm getting on a. Playing early. Early morning on the 20Â s and.
11:07:30 Taking just one of my nuclear family to for a daddy daughter Thanksgiving and I will be back on Tuesday.
11:07:39 In time for the transit authority budget meeting, I will be remote just Monday morning for the hearing and any other critical stuff in the morning.
11:07:52 So probably on the morning of the 27. I don't know. I won't be with us.
11:07:58 We'll be with you for the afternoon of the 20 seventh. Okay. We could have a small agenda though.
11:08:03 Yeah. Any, there is a executive session item. I'd like to add for next Monday so if if there's room in the morning it'd be great.
11:08:14 So I'd like to have Greg there. What's their exemption? I will have to look it up.
11:08:21 Okay. Yeah. I think our hearing is at 1030. We'll work out.
11:08:26 We'll work out the agenda by tomorrow. So. Okay. Oh.
11:08:33 The thirtieth. I haven't the, MRC understanding AI is this, Thursday as well.
11:08:39 I thought of you. Yeah, no, I think I signed up for it. So I'll probably do that from.
11:08:44 Man, they do it on Thanksgiving. Oh no, that's the following week. I'm going to Yeah, I need to go somewhere. Yeah, I should go somewhere.
11:08:56 We signed up for the account. Alaska credit card. Yeah, you flew just last week. What are you talking about?
11:09:05 But, yeah. Gonna borrow a dog from the Humane Society for a day. Some of the things you can do there, take it out for the beach.
11:09:15 Going to a luau, probably not humane meat, but one of my daughter's requests.
11:09:21 Yeah, that's fun. Yeah, looking forward to it. Okay.
11:09:27 Wait, there was one other thing that we just now need to talk about. Oh, well, maybe the KPTZ schedule real quick.
11:09:34 Bring that up.
11:09:39 Who were you planning this Friday with? Oh, you're right. Okay. Because I was thinking, who's going to be around the day after Thanksgiving?
11:09:50 And I knew that superintendent mock, cause I checked with them. And so, there's just a lot going on there and I went to that, PTA sponsored volunteer fair for kids to Do there
volunteer hours and I thought this would be a good thing for the community to know.
11:10:07 You know, so then No campaign and can't say pass the levy. You can just talk about.
11:10:14 Yeah. So he's got the same. Needs. Because it's already on the ballot.
11:10:21 Once that's officially on the ballot, right, that's one. I think. Is it for February isn't it?
11:10:34 Yeah, I don't know. And you know, like, can you as an individual commissioner speak in favor of something but not the BOCC?
11:10:40 Like I just need a refresher. It's been a while. Oh yeah, I need a refresh.
11:10:45 Fresh not the first question Excel is going slow, but I'm bringing up the calendar here.
11:10:56 Any other? Agenda topics that folks need to Add this morning. Oh, I'm still trying to bring up the KPTC schedule.
11:11:09 We can look at that while we're. Slowly waiting for Excel.
11:11:20 Hmm. But the BHS, so meeting until 11 on the eighth, but I could. No, I'm sorry.
11:11:29 I have it. Oh, you need, yes. Yes, figure out who to invite. Not too worried about it.
11:11:38 Alright, how's it going with KPG? Are you guys still having fun doing this? I am.
11:11:45 I think it's great. But I'm not sure. But the impact is it's hard for me to do that.
11:11:54 Or like request from the community as to what they would like updates on. I mean, should we be doing a pool segment, aquatic center segment?
11:12:03 That'd be a great. Great opportunity for my cage. Match segment that I haven't done yet.
11:12:07 Cage Match Community and Government Exchange. Okay, I don't think I totally get it, but it's just, you know, fighting on the radio.
11:12:17 Are you doing on the radio? Hot takes counter counter, counterveiling hot tics. Well, the other week coming up.
11:12:24 I have December first. Got some scheduled for that. I do not. So, is the, Plan is not to consider a vote whether to put this on the ballot today.
11:12:36 Correct. Okay. That's true. I mean, and when I when we're doing the agenda, they just want to do a briefing though.
11:12:43 I think we could add. I mean, you could have that conversation. I mean, I I'm not sure how much more information we need.
11:12:51 Every minute right now. So I, I don't know. I don't know what we'd be asked to vote on today.
11:12:57 Having a conversation about putting on what strategy. Yeah, I mean, I think it's topical.
11:13:03 I don't know. I'm open either way.
11:13:09 Still struggling with this. Okay. Seems like if we were gonna vote to whether to put it on the ballot, we might want to publish that on one agenda.
11:13:16 Yeah. So Heidi over Thanksgiving is gonna and maybe the PTA president. Only 2 people.
11:13:30 What song are you gonna do? He just suggested a song. It's. Okay.
11:13:39 I don't know. I have to find out. Okay. So I am December first and I don't have a guest yet.
11:13:58 Kate is December eighth. So I am December first and I don't have a guest yet. Kate is December eighth.
11:14:06 I had, Amanda Christopherson last week and kind of like just having a staff member without like a specific thing to talk about was actually pretty great to just talk about the
job and the path and that people's role in the county.
11:14:18 I enjoyed that. I think on December first it'd be great to do it. Gotic Center.
11:14:25 Who should I invite for the cage match then?
11:14:35 Dane Armstrong and Jim's guarantee now. I mean, it would be the countervailing to Jim's guarantee now.
11:14:47 We would have enough. John Morrow, John Morrow. Hello, Kerry.
11:14:55 Alright, I'll think on it. That's good. It would be a great cage match.
11:14:59 Yeah. For sure. He wanted to be constructed though, of course. I don't really want just chaos.
11:15:05 Yeah, you know, it's a little crossing the desk that the, deal, kind of want that, but that's not really very constructive goal.
11:15:16 And it would be nice if it was like vetted information being shared, which of course is
11:15:23 You're not, that's the information. That what kind of cage match is this? High standards.
11:15:33 Yeah, all right. I'll think on that, but it would it would be good to have a aquatic center maybe we could yeah I mean, Kara, would be the logical person.
11:15:41 But it's
11:15:44 Yeah, I almost think like a community member both in favor of the plan on the table and not. I don't know.
11:15:52 Rich Childers. Yeah. Yeah, Jack, right, Jefferson, and, and also on the Y.M.C.A. board, leader for that.
11:16:09 I don't know. All right, I'll think on it. It's intriguing.
11:16:11 Chris Macklin, I've got the fifteenth as well and then Christmas Eve. On the 20Â s is Kate.
11:16:19 Yeah, and, Jeff Chapman. What do you guys talk about? Texas. Not is that Christmas Eve?
11:16:30 Hmm. You find under the, alright, I'm. Obviously slow and developing who I'm bringing.
11:16:41 I did the seventeenth.
11:16:46 Amanda.
11:16:49 This is, this I'll share, I'm gonna share a personal anecdote, but.
11:16:53 And I think I might share this with Kate when we're getting coffee, but. We're going to Kuai, my daughter and I, and usually my wife plans all the, trips like down to the detail,
not quite as much as Carolyn.
11:17:05 I've seen Caroline's itinerary for Hawaii and it's like, we don't need the minute by minute plan either, but lots of good stuff on there.
11:17:12 Yeah, no, that's good. That's very lots of very defined options, but. My daughter is afraid of traveling with me.
11:17:19 So she's building her first itinerary ever. Yeah. Yeah, great. I'm travelling. Yeah.
11:17:26 Well, I think afraid that we're just, what are we going to do all day long? That's not going to plan anything.
11:17:28 Sit around and talk about AI. Sit around and talk about AI. Well, she doesn't know this, but she, she's not doing great on her at home reading.
11:17:36 So we're gonna be reading much into about nothing as. As a pair by that. Yes, well, it's also reflected in how I plan for the radio apparently.
11:17:46 I was like, oh, should I invite? Feels like it would be good to do a humane society one soon.
11:17:54 They don't have a director still today. You're gonna set up. Okay, I'm like, Jim, and other things I'm curious about.
11:18:10 Well, you're gonna have to wait to the new year because yeah, that's fine. You can bring Smiley with the, on the 20 fourth.
11:18:16 You got, only 2 people with you right now. It's like to fill up the studio.
11:18:18 Oh, it's okay. Okay.
11:18:21 Alright, well. Kate's better plan than me. You rescheduled Chris Macklin just when we were sitting here didn't? Yeah, just emailed him.
11:18:31 Yeah. Sounds good. All right. Well.
11:18:36 Where we're trying to get out early any other things we're gonna have to take this afternoon.
11:18:43 I know I love, I mean, I've got a half an hour drive to Brenton for my 4 30 meeting.
11:18:49 I'm usually late, so it's okay, but. Be great to get out of here.
11:18:54 The ledge update at 3 30. I don't know. We'll see how it goes.
11:18:57 It's they know to expect me late. And oh, and we did, I believe other elected and department doctors were invited to that, Caroline.
11:19:10 Is that correct? Oh, good. Good. Yes, it could be a longer conversation.
11:19:15 If we were invited to that, Carolyn, is that correct? Oh, good. Good. Yeah, so it could be a longer conversation. You can just leave it to me and Hey, watch out.
11:19:19 I just played in gigs over here. I think anything is too like controversial or anything. Do we really want to drill down on a couple of things?
11:19:25 You know, it's not everybody saying it's not the session for anything ambitious. So, right.
11:19:29 Gold star issue this session. The provision or proviso. And, I, I, I, I heard a lot of proviso this last week too, so I had, I.
11:19:51 I mean, it sounds like an Italian word, which might be pronounced that way. Yes, you know, Mark.
11:19:54 Is that for a visa or is that? Proviso is what I might have.
11:20:02 You was saying it was more sophisticated people, Greg. We're that's what we'll talk about in my time on community connections.
11:20:10 So are we about to recess? Yeah, is there anything else? Could I ask for board approval for, the Greg and I to collaborate on a message to go to our employees prior to Thanksgiving.
11:20:22 That'd be okay. Yeah, yep. Alright, we'll work over the lunch hour.
11:20:26 Yeah, sir. We can jump into it any time. Okay, great. Well, with, nothing else going on and some meetings that over the new an hour, I will recess until 1 30 this afternoon.
11:20:38 Have a good productive lunch.
13:30:34 And not a decision.
13:30:41 Let me see.
13:30:45 Okay, good afternoon, everyone. I see it's 1 30 now, so I'll call this Board of County Commissioners meeting back into session.
13:30:53 It's great to have a full house interested in. I'm, let's see, which agenda item is it?
13:30:58 Probably the next one about the Aquatic Center. So we're going to have a briefing today and as I said before we started.
13:31:04 We don't have any action on the agenda in front of us, but. Since so many people are here and interested, we'll try to accommodate people that want to give public input as well
after the conclusion of the briefing and questions.
13:31:18 So. I don't know if anyone has any preamble, but, no, I'm just gonna close the window a little bit.
13:31:28 Got lots of people in here. Down jackets. Yeah. Okay, so, Carrie, thank you so much for being here as well as John and Linda and other members of the team.
13:31:42 So we'll turn it over to you and Great. Thank you. Good afternoon county commissioners. My name is Kerry Heights and I work for the city of Port Townsend.
13:31:51 I'm the Parks and Recreation Strategy Director. You were provided a briefing on this project healthier together, which really is to rebuild the pool in town about a month ago.
13:32:02 And so what I would like to do is bring you up to date with some recent revisions of the facility and also talk about the public facilities just district.
13:32:12 Mark Greeno, one of our bond councils on the phone, I believe, with us today to answer any questions about the PFD that you might have.
13:32:19 So with that, go ahead. We have, we had a few council meetings over the past few weeks that, talked, we talked to council a lot about some additional revisions to the facility.
13:32:34 Because they were concerned about it being more of a suburban area but they wanted an entrance from the street but also from the parking lot so that it accommodates ADA and
also accommodates people driving in from Jefferson County.
13:32:48 We looked at the entrance, we looked at putting a window along Blaine Street, so it's not just a wall facade.
13:32:54 They voted to support public showers and it's and I put the numbers in there it's additionally 100,000 to construct and 50,000 to operate and then they reduce the parking lot
by maybe about 5 spots, 10 spots.
13:33:08 And so it's not significant, but you'll see the renditions of it. Go ahead.
13:33:13 Here's the original plan where we had one big parking lot in front and there was some concerns about, oh, that's just an incredible, huge parking lot.
13:33:24 It's bigger than the actual facility itself. And, so our architect, rolled up his sleeves and he designed it to the contours of the land.
13:33:33 There's like 3 tables on the land and so he's made a couple parking zones and a building.
13:33:38 Go ahead and I'll show you what that looks like. There it is right there. So you can see parking lot parking lot 2 and parking lot one are broken up with civic space outside
and then the middle table that's on the Mountain View site hosts the actual pool and facility.
13:33:55 You can see the the orange the dark darker orange spot where it says entry court, that's what you'll see revised a little bit when we move it out the entrance out to the plain
with one vestibule from the parking lot and from Blaine.
13:34:10 Okay, go ahead. There's the entrance where you see the arrows going in where people enter into the parking lot.
13:34:19 There's a big bike rack out. They enter in from blame, but there's also an entry from the parking lot to support AD parking.
13:34:29 Go ahead. So the steering committee's recommendation and let me remind you the steering committee is made up of the county and of the city and of the school district and the
port.
13:34:41 And a Jefferson Aquatic Coalition and the Y.M.C.A. and the Hospital Commission or the Hospital CEO, excuse me.
13:34:49 And they've been meeting for about a year and we came up with this recommendation the group did that they wanted like to propose a public facility district at 5 and a half percent
which is the current rates right now for a 30 year bond.
13:35:05 It's 2 tenths of 1% sales tax for every $10 somebody spends they would spend 2 cents more and the county wide performers are in your packet.
13:35:16 I also have a slide to talk to talk about that today. And the projected cost per person is 10 to $30 a year.
13:35:21 The other thing I didn't put on the slide I wanted to mention is that the sales tax right now we have some tourism reports out of the state that are reporting that 20 to 25%
of our sales taxes from tourism.
13:35:36 Okay, go ahead. Here's the performance, a little small to read, but you can read it from top to bottom, from left to right.
13:35:44 It's one through 5 years, 6 or 1516 through 26 and 27 through 30.
13:35:50 And you can see that at the end of 30 years, there's about 14 million dollars of surplus in the bank for operations and replacement parts for a pool.
13:36:00 Okay, go ahead. So the public facilities just, the steering committee is recommending that it be countywide because our service delivery area shows the service delivery area
shows, that it be countywide because our service delivery area shows, the Y.M.C.A. reports and from 2,014 that it be county wide because our service delivery area shows the Y.M.C.A.
reports and from 2,014 the report show that 40%
13:36:20 of the pool users are for Manitoba or amount of the city of Port Townsend. They voted, proposing that the board of commissioners, that's actually incorrect.
13:36:32 It's not the board of commissioners don't vote to put it on the ballot. Vota commissioners vote to create the PFD and the PFD board then that's seated by the county commission
votes on the ballot language.
13:36:46 The governing board is appointed by the Board of Commissioners. There has to be an independent review and there has to be an independent financial review from the state before
the board of commissioners votes to create the PFD.
13:36:59 And so that's why we're not asking for action today because we really do need to figure to finalize that independent financial review with a performer.
13:37:09 And public facilities just are municipal corporations with independent taxing a 3. And that's what we're proposing that pay for some of the pool.
13:37:17 The other piece of the pool. Finances is 17 million dollars of a private philanthropy within the city.
13:37:26 So 20 million to bond and 17 million through grants. And state and federal appropriations in Jefferson Aquatic Coalition leading a charge on private philanthropy.
13:37:38 Okay, next. Here's the operational cost summary. I think that's something that we need to pay attention to as well.
13:37:48 The expenses to operate this pool, there is a complete operational plan in your packet. It's 1.2 7 million in the revenue that is projected is point 8 4 million with a subsidy
of 0 point 4 3.
13:38:02 I think it's important to note that the city of Port Townsend is currently subsidizing the pool at $400,000 a year and will continue to do so and so that's a pretty big lift
by Port Townsend taxpayers to subsidize the operations of the pool, but it makes it that this pool is able to operate with a $30,000 subsidy, which can be taken out of the operations
and replacement fund that
13:38:24 collects over time over the 30 year time. Okay, next.
13:38:31 This is what I just said, the $30,000 per year. It still considers the city's $400,000 subsidy.
13:38:40 There's a market analysis in your, in your packet. There's some questions about that market analysis, but the projections that are made by Ballard and Associates were vetted
by Wendy Bart from the Y just to make sure she's comparing them to the squim MPa numbers from the Y.
13:38:59 Okay. And then, it should be noted that if, showers are supported, the additional $50,000 per year will be needed to operate those showers.
13:39:08 Okay, next. So the next steps, are that we, go through an independent financial review and I spoke to the state today that is at the cost of $15,000.
13:39:21 And it takes a month or 2 to do it expedited 3 months on a slow route, which is really, doesn't fit with our timeline to try to get a ballot measure on the ballot in April.
13:39:32 And so we'll probably do the expedited method. The Board of County Commissioners adopts a resolution to form the PFD.
13:39:41 The BOCC appoints people to the PFD and the PFD. Adopts a ballot language for sales tax by February, twentieth for an April special election.
13:39:51 This is a pretty tight timeline. So we just need to make sure we line things up and we hit our targets on those.
13:39:57 And so I just wanted to mention that. I wonder if it would be worthwhile to point out why the April deadline.
13:40:04 I think that's a great thank you. We have picked the April special election so that there is some evidence of community support in order to leverage.
13:40:15 Thank you. We have picked the April special election so that there is, some evidence of community support in order to leverage grants in June for about 10 million dollars from
the nonprofit Y.M.C.A.
13:40:20 And so if she goes, Wendy Bark can apply for those grants in June without a public vote, but they're just not that competitive when they don't show some community support and
leverage for that.
13:40:30 Are those annual grants or they're biannual? For every 2 years.
13:40:35 Next. So with that, I'd like to answer any questions and we can have some discussion and Mark, Greeno who's on the phone is also, can also answer.
13:40:46 We brought Mark over. Oh, great. Okay. I'll give you a chance, Mark, before we ask questions.
13:40:51 If there's anything that you'd like to add, I'd love to hear from you.
13:40:54 No, I think the the presentation is quite comprehensive. In your packets, you'll see the, Pro Forma, which I think is also shows a lot of work has been created.
13:41:08 So I expect that the if this were to be turned in to be blessed by a financial feasibility review, that's something that the Department of Commerce could, perform quite, quite
thoroughly and responsibly in the timeframe indicated.
13:41:20 But I'm available for any types of questions that you have on this. We've been working on this for quite a while.
13:41:25 Thanks. Okay. You mentioning packets. What packets are you referring to?
13:41:33 This our online packet had the pro format and our agenda. Our agenda, you mean the agenda? I don't see the documents that people are.
13:41:42 Same.
13:41:42 What's what was the border county commissioners provided with the full on that full on study that we.
13:41:50 Alright.
13:41:47 I don't think we got to fall on study now. Just PowerPoint. Yep. Just the PowerPoint.
13:41:54 The PowerPoint you just went through. It might be in your packet from a month ago, but I'll email it. Okay, okay.
13:41:59 If that's where it is, I can find it. I just, yeah, it is in that one.
13:42:04 It's where it is. I can find it. I just, yeah, it is in that one.
13:42:05 Okay. Full report. Okay. The platform is not in there, but I can email it.
13:42:08 Okay, the form is not in there, but I can email it separately to me. Okay. The platform is not in there, but I can email it separately.
13:42:11 My apologies.
13:42:13 And. Can we clarify whether we are trying to get to, the action, the first action step today of, Is that approving the PFD?
13:42:26 Is that the? You're not going to approve the PFD today because we need an independent financial review.
13:42:31 But what would be really helpful is to have a vote of support for the steering committee's recommendations.
13:42:40 Okay, so we'll deliberate and talk amongst ourselves for a bit and then we will deliberate and talk amongst ourselves for a bit and then we will deliberate and talk amongst
ourselves for a bit and then we will open up for public comment to ourselves for a bit and then we will open up for public comment just before we take any final action today on or even
a recommendation today or even a recommendation.
13:42:50 I don't, you wanna kick it off, Kate? You've been kind of a representative on this on the steering committee.
13:42:56 You've been kind of a representative on this on the steering committee? Yes, I have and was involved in previous iterations of this process as well, even before sitting in this
chair.
13:43:03 That I've been sitting in this chair for 7 years, so we know that this represents decades of work.
13:43:12 I mean, you know, there's been so many questions brought to us and we're not going to cover all of them today.
13:43:20 But I think my overwhelming feeling about this project is that is that this community has lost a lot of resources for families.
13:43:34 It has lost a lot of families as there result of not having a lot of resources for families and I say that knowing a number of families who have left this community because
they feel like the lack of services.
13:43:45 Demonstrates a lack of support for and care for families. And so I am deeply concerned that we, if we continue not to invest, which is actually divesting in the the services
and infrastructure we have that that that trend will continue.
13:44:07 You know, in, many ways I, think an MPD would be a better mechanism for this facility.
13:44:15 Metropolitan Park District, which is one of the other tools that, Metropolitan Park District, which is one of the other tools that local governments have to finance, projects
like this But, it didn't seem feasible.
13:44:25 I mean, the impact to taxpayers by making it a property tax was going to be hundreds of dollars per residence.
13:44:32 Of course, depending on the value of the property. And concentrated among fewer people. And we know that the cost of housing is already a massive burden that gets passed on
to renters.
13:44:47 I mean, both sales tax and property texts are regressive. We understand that. Concentrating it among fewer people.
13:44:54 That it that is extremely challenging and and hits people, you know, they both both text. Configurations hit people but that felt like a heavier lift and a bigger and more detrimental
impact to me than a public facilities district to me than a public facilities district which is spread across a public facilities district which is spread across a wider number of people.
13:45:24 But again, is it that comes in at 10 to $30 per person per year? That seems much more reasonable, a wider number of people.
13:45:29 But again, is it that comes in at 10 to $30 per person per year. But again, is it that comes in at 10 to $30 per person per year?
13:45:35 That seems much more reasonable to me than hundreds of dollars being, you know, either just given to a smaller number of homeowners or passed on to renters.
13:45:37 And that's where I landed on agreeing to the PFD as the appropriate model.
13:45:40 More, more folks paying in a smaller amount. And the reason why this makes sense to me, even on a countywide scale, is because this is a regional facility.
13:45:52 There are many, many facilities that we all pay into that are not in our hamlet that are in a centralized location.
13:46:02 You know, we can talk about hospitals. We can talk about community colleges. These are things that we all pay for as taxpayers, but only make sense, only operate at scale on
a regional scope.
13:46:14 And so, you know, I just think we need to think about this regionally. This is not abstract to me, by the way.
13:46:22 I was a mother in quill scene with a small child and drove all over the place to teach him how to swim.
13:46:30 I sometimes came to Port Townsend, sometimes went to Bainbridge, because the pool was better in Vainbridge, went to swim, full of better and squim.
13:46:40 So, you know, I have lived this, but You know, I wasn't just coming to the pool.
13:46:51 Because we live regional lives. Okay. So yeah, I mean, I just think this is how infrastructure gets built.
13:47:00 This is how our country has always built infrastructure gets built. This is how our country has always built infrastructure.
13:47:04 It is how every single public facility that you use, this is how our country has always built infrastructure. It is how every single public facility that you use, it is how
every single public facility that you use, not necessarily a PFD, but taxpayers sharing the cost of building infrastructure, but taxpayers sharing the cost of building infrastructure.
13:47:14 This is nothing new. I mean, the fact that this is sharing the cost of building infrastructure. This is nothing new.
13:47:18 This is, I mean, the fact that this the lack of investment in the community that we have not even considered this kind of.
13:47:22 Effort before as The problem. We haven't done that investment. This is how it's done.
13:47:30 These facilities are built all over the country all the time. This is not like something radical and crazy. So I am in support of this.
13:47:40 I have been for a long time. I think we have done our best to try to get the cost down.
13:47:47 I think 10 to $30 per person per year is a very small amount to pay for massive improvement of facilities.
13:47:55 Available to all in our community. I talked about families because I raised my kids here who of course will be long gone by the time this is built, but it has benefits for so
many people from mobility impaired for the elderly.
13:48:12 There's just a ton of benefit for, I think, a really pretty small investment and just like I don't go to the community college.
13:48:24 And just like I don't go to the community college. And just like I don't go to the community college, I'm happy to pay for the community college.
13:48:27 That's the kind of world I want to live in. So I am in favor of supporting the steering committee recommendations.
13:48:31 Thank you, Kate. And more questions than statements. Because I've been involved in this pretty deeply on the steering committee.
13:48:42 I have fewer questions. So yeah, I'm not gonna get, you know, pretty deeply on the steering committee, I have fewer questions.
13:48:47 So yeah, I'm not gonna get on my soapbox. I'm just gonna say one thing that strikes me is that the proponents of this effort have committed to raising 17 million dollars.
13:48:53 I've been part of a number of massive capital campaigns. Those are nothing to sneeze at.
13:48:58 That's a huge effort. So I'm curious about that plan to raise the 17 million. You've mentioned multiple sources of funding, but.
13:49:05 I would like to see more some some flesh on those bones. Which we can speak to if you're.
13:49:14 If you want us to today. And then, you know, I understand that this is a massive capital investment for the community, but 2 tenths of 1% is twice as much as we invest in housing
or behavioral health in our community.
13:49:27 Currently, of sales tax. So it's, you know, is.
13:49:32 We have to make our choices. So that's striking to me. We get one tenth of 1% for homelessness and affordable housing and we give one tenth of 1% for mental health services
in our community.
13:49:46 Those are state. Authorized. I've heard a lot of input, most of the input I've gotten because I represent district 2 is about a district 2 location somewhere in the middle of
the county the HJ Carroll Park and I spent 3Â h last night on The map view or the county map viewer and identified a number of parcels now that I know that this is about 2 and a half
acres of the Mountain View
13:50:12 campus. That are both publicly and privately owned in the phase one sewer boundary. So I've heard a lot of people saying, we can't sewer it, we can't, we don't have the infrastructure.
13:50:23 I don't I don't buy that. That's not nothing. No, but I mean, I'm just saying that the arguments that have been coming at me pro for and against the pool, a number of them.
13:50:35 Don't hold a lot of water for me. So I'm trying to get to the bottom of like having a basis of information.
13:50:41 We have't had a chance to read all the comments we've received, so I'm not going to vote for any.
13:50:46 Motion today because I haven't had the opportunity this is all going very fast too fast in my opinion And, I haven't had an opportunity to hear from everybody and I've said
a number of times as a commissioner that's my number one priority.
13:51:02 To hear what folks have to say. And I, last night I spent a 3Â h, another 3Â h making a little table for myself of all the people who were pro and why and Con and why and I
so I'm a little bit more I need to like dig into the weeds a little bit.
13:51:21 So it's it's not something I'm ready to vote on today. And I haven't been on a committee.
13:51:24 With you all. Some people in something got under my car last night. Why haven't you been at these meetings?
13:51:32 There's been all these public meetings and they were scheduled. When the commissioner has had other meetings and it's not city meetings that we haven't been at.
13:51:41 So if there are people in the room here who are organizing meetings. That's not because we don't want to be there and hear what's being said.
13:51:47 Because have you looked at our calendars? They're crazy and all 3 of the first meetings were scheduled when we had standing important meetings.
13:51:54 So we just can't make Everything work for everybody all at the same time.
13:52:01 I am really glad to hear that the public showers got shuffled into the deck in the last iteration.
13:52:07 That was something I said it the first time I heard about this project is. I spent my life on the the western coast of the United States.
13:52:14 On a commercial fishing boat with my family. And every time we pulled into port, we'd look for the public shower or the, I mean, the port has them, so we wouldn't have to come
to your pool, but, you know, if people are here in their RVs or they're here camping in the summer, having amenities for folks that aren't just pool users is really important to
13:52:34 me and having public showers is important. So I'm glad that we've moved in that direction.
13:52:40 See I had my little list.
13:52:43 Yeah, I have a lot of questions about the 17 million dollars. Well, I think it's a good time to ask it.
13:52:50 This is that's what we're here for. So why don't you take a moment and dig into that.
13:52:53 So how long are you anticipating that it will take to raise 17 million dollars? Well, if, when April comes and goes for an election, it takes about a year to design a facility.
13:53:04 Actually, we don't have a design. We have schematics, right? So it takes about a year and between now and that year, complete year, 24 to 25 is the 70 million dollar window.
13:53:15 So that would be raised from Jefferson Aquatic Coalition, it would also be raised. Hopefully we'll here in June or July if the Y is successful in that.
13:53:27 It's 2 different 5 million dollar grants from the state that that is driving the timeline. Yeah. For that.
13:53:38 And then there's also, some efforts that the city can do to go after some state and federal appropriations.
13:53:45 And then there's also, some efforts that the city can do to go after some state and federal appropriations.
13:53:46 Are you going in for that a new RCO grant the facilities grant. Yes, point 20, we are gonna go for that for the skip park lights. Okay. The one with no match.
13:53:53 Yeah.
13:53:55 That answer your question, Heidi. Yeah, I mean, I could talk about a capital campaign for hours, but I'm not going to.
13:54:01 Waste everybody's time. Can I also provide a clarification? I have talked to Wendy at the why and the steering committee is recommending that the why I operate the facility
and she is recommending that the why I operate the facility and she has budgeted some numbers to provide the facility and she has budgeted some numbers to provide swim lessons for quilts
and, to come and Brendan as well as Port
13:54:21 Townsend for kids. She has not contacted the school districts yet, so we don't know if they're interested at all.
13:54:27 But she did did figure it out in part of her budget. And so it's been said to me that we looked at locations outside of Port Townsend in the very beginning.
13:54:36 I don't remember reviewing those. We looked at. Okay.
13:54:45 I think that's the end of my questions. Well, I appreciate the project. You know, I think that the pool is something that we should invest in.
13:54:55 I think it could be a real keystone for our community. I'm, I mean, I've heard a lot.
13:55:03 From my constituency as well. You know, I've heard some people that are really invested in the infrastructure that the pool would represent.
13:55:10 And I've heard from 10 times that many that feel that it isn't equitable that everyone gets taxed the same for an amenity in Port Townsend.
13:55:21 I have to say I agree with them. I think that it is the PFD and I think, you know, at our first meeting I said, I don't think that's gonna fly down south where, you know, and
as I said this morning, if we were at County with a different geography where Port Townsend was in the center of the county, it would be a really different calculation than what I
13:55:41 consider. Putting a . Sales tax on folks in Brennan or the West End.
13:55:49 I have heard someone suggest quits. Clearwater would be a great location for a pool. But, you know, that didn't, I don't think they were entirely serious.
13:55:56 So I mean, I believe that. The closer you are to the pool, the more the pool increases the value of your place.
13:56:05 I think an MPD as Kate, you know, referenced earlier, I know it's a more challenging lift to get to that 60% but it's it gives a direct benefit to the property values of the
houses in Port Townsend.
13:56:19 That 40% number that you said, 40% of the clients are come from outside of Port Townsend.
13:56:26 I'd be curious. Seeing a more granular examination, I mean, I I don't think that means that, you know, people from Port Ludlow who have a pool or Calapoint who have a pool or
Cape George who have a pool are coming out so I want to find a way to get to a pool, but I'm really, I mean, I'm
13:56:53 I'm not in favor of the PFD as the as the funding mechanism. I mean the the design, I'm not in favor of the PFD as the funding mechanism.
13:56:58 I mean, the design, we had another alternatives pushed forward, suggested at public comment this morning that are I'm much less substantial kind of infrastructure and I think
if we want to build the kind of facility that's going to last for decades that where you're on the right path design-wise, you know, from my, you know, Limited knowledge of this, but
I'm supportive of a collaborative.
13:57:18 Design, that sort of process seems like the right path, but the funding mechanism. I just I feel like the the prime service area is Port Townsend and they should take the first
bite of the app.
13:57:33 That's kind of where I am right now. Any other thoughts before we take public comment?
13:57:40 Questions or Kerry or John? Linda, anyone else from the team that wants to make a comment?
13:57:47 We'd love to hear from you. I'll just, remind you that, I know that when you and I talked, we talked about, you know, port towns lifting a heavier lift than the rest of the
county and I think that Port Townsend is with that $400,000.
13:58:03 Subsidy for operations of the facility. That's that equates to at least 4 million dollars, 5 million dollars of construction costs.
13:58:10 And that's the payment that would be due every year. For 5 million dollars. And so that I just wanted to remind you that.
13:58:19 I think that represents some taxes from Port Townsend. Yeah, I think that's true. I think it also reaffies the idea that it is a Port Townsend pool.
13:58:29 I mean, to me, but I do, I do hear you and I know that's real.
13:58:33 And I, that's why I don't take very seriously the idea of, you know, putting it.
13:58:39 Chemical Park, that's another suggestion. It will be a great location for a pool. We're gonna have more density there.
13:58:46 We don't have budget capacity built in to. To take over that subsidy. So I, acknowledged that the best place for it right now is Port Townsend, but also recognize that it's
support towns and pool.
13:58:56 Right, right
13:58:56 Yeah, it's interesting. I've not dug this up for a while, but a couple iterations ago.
13:59:03 There was a market analysis done that showed pretty clearly you need to be in a population center for these facilities to pencil.
13:59:12 There needs to be enough. Action people coming in, neighborhoods density in order to support a facility like this.
13:59:21 At that time, the county was deemed, you know, inappropriate for operationally covering the cost of a facility like this and I, I can't believe that has changed.
13:59:37 And, you know, there have been a number of large retailers who over the years have talked about moving into the Tri area region and have deemed it also, you know, just simply
not enough commercial activity to warrant.
13:59:51 So I, you know, while I get that it makes sense to think about a more central location.
13:59:56 I think getting that performer to work would be even trickier. And you know, these are, these are, we are working on best available information, but this is tools that the private
sector uses as well to determine where they're going to make investments.
14:00:09 And I think we have to take very seriously that. This is the hub of our county currently. Is that gonna change with the sewer?
14:00:19 Maybe there will be another hub, which is great. Obviously, I'm committed to that, but I wasn't suggesting.
14:00:25 I mean, I don't, I don't take it. I don't think I think you're right.
14:00:29 The performer would be much more challenging. It does belong here and I think that it also to your point earlier, I think it a pool, a new pool would be a public benefit for
all around the county.
14:00:40 It wouldn't only benefit poor towns and I hope I am not saying that. I'm just saying that.
14:00:45 It primarily, you know, I mean that if that same population that is required to make a pencil is also the primary beneficiary of the infrastructure.
14:00:54 Which is why people in the city pay city taxes and county taxes too. I mean, you know, there are more services you pay for them in the city.
14:01:01 But I mean, this is a, this is how regional services work. And for Townsend is the second most expensive place to own a house in the entire state.
14:01:11 I mean, Port Townsend is. Expensive to live in and has an incredibly tight real estate market because it's incredibly desirable to live in creating new services adds to both
of those things and adds to expense and it also adds to the desirability of living in this city.
14:01:28 Putting a pool in Port Townsend adds I would say 0 property values in Brennan. I mean, you know, some people you could go to a pool.
14:01:37 It would be closer to drive to the Bambert Island pool or you know a wash. So Yeah, I don't I'm not sure the connection between property value increases.
14:01:48 I think the value is in. It's in health, it's a safety, it's in.
14:01:58 Other things not typically, I mean, MPD is, yes, you can make that more rational connection to property values, but.
14:02:06 Yeah. That's it. I, I don't think that PFD is pretend to.
14:02:11 Increased property values. No, I'm saying the pool would increase at least the buff on it, the amenities and for a community the property.
14:02:21 Would be a buff on the property values in port towns and it wouldn't be a buff on the property values and Brennan.
14:02:27 So I think it just looking it through an equitable lens. I feel like it helps the people of Port Townsend more than it helps people to Brennan or the West End certainly or even
even Jennifer.
14:02:36 Though there will be people that come from all over the county, you know. Smaller proportions from other areas.
14:02:44 So talk to Heidi. She's joking. all public comments to you, and now on.
14:02:57 So I guess just to. Get feedback from the public today. Should we focus on the the question that's for us, which is the PFD, less than design of the place.
14:03:09 I mean, we've chosen location. I think we're or do you want, do you want it all?
14:03:15 Very interested in whether there's still a conversation about location. Alright. I mean, that's That's the principal.
14:03:26 Batch of input I've gotten. Probably a couple of 100 pieces of input. Without putting in the dry area.
14:03:35 So I haven't. Well, can you tease that out? What would I mean to you what would that look like?
14:03:40 I don't know, that's why I'm still digesting. I mean, you've seen how much info we got in the last 24Â h and I haven't had a chance because I've been sitting here with you guys.
14:03:48 You know, I do really feel I need to digest the input that I've received and I'm sorry if I'm slow and I did stay up.
14:03:59 I did read all day yesterday, but You know, I, I have to think.
14:04:08 We're still talking about this, right? That's why you guys are all here.
14:04:15 Absolutely. I do have one more question, clarifying question. Some of the comments that I've heard have talked about, like the capacity to staff a larger facility.
14:04:26 And I am wondering if you can speak to your experiences with that. We know that the Y is offering fewer services that amount of view than they did pre pandemic.
14:04:33 There's a lot I mean we're we have the same challenge in childcare and healthcare and a lot of other industries.
14:04:39 And what's, yeah, can you talk a little bit about that? I'll address it.
14:04:51 Wendy has. Has hoped that this is the post pandemic levels of staffing and that it's gonna plateau and pick up a little bit.
14:05:00 She's seeing more high school kids interested in jobs these days and so that's helpful. It's been mostly high school kids.
14:05:08 It's their first jobs that they come. They do daycare or they do childcare lifeguarding or something.
14:05:14 And so she's seen that tick up a little bit over the past 6 months. And so she's hopeful that she'll get back to that pre-pandemic level of service.
14:05:20 And that's their goal, the wise goal at Mountain View. Okay. And oh, one other thing that was been raised a couple of times is reconstruction costs. And can you speak to that?
14:05:33 I don't I don't know if you guys were doing a little bit more study on that?
14:05:36 Yeah, it's been an iterative process. We started with a pretty large facility and we narrowed it down just to an aquatic facility only.
14:05:44 There's been some interest in the community of the sprung.com, the the sprung facilities which are membranes, their fabric membranes.
14:05:56 Looking at those this afternoon. I talked to a person this morning from strong.com and they're actually have 25 year life lines and so you'd have to replace it a couple of times
over the course of the 50 year facility that we're building.
14:06:08 So I've also talked to another agency out of Oregon that can did a detailed analysis between a custom you know, stick build a stick and border built facility to a membrane facility
and it's about the same cost because you have more costs to replace the membrane a couple times within the life of the facility.
14:06:31 And so it's not the benefit of a sprung.com is that the building time is expedited, but not necessarily the cost.
14:06:38 It just depends on, you know, if you decide to build a bricks and mortar for family changing rooms and binary locker rooms and staffing and and lifeguards and parking lots and
I mean you have a lot that goes into that facility.
14:06:50 It's just a roof membrane that goes a shell that goes over the pool. You can make the shell go over the internal construction as well and the locker rooms but it still doesn't
save that much money and so the actual design that we're looking at is designed by an aquatics company and also an architect that designs pools.
14:07:15 And so we're confident that it's a good design and solid design. Good. Sorry to jump in.
14:07:22 Maybe one thing if you're thinking about cost, the other thing worth considering. Maybe one thing we, if you're thinking about cost, the other thing worth considering, I think
I said that last time we were considering I think I said that last time we were here was the current facility you know the grace of those who operated.
14:07:33 I think I said that last time we were here was the current facility, the grace of those who operated at the Y and the current facility, you know, the grace of those who operated
at the Y and the facilities team at the city and the grace of those who operated at the Y and the facilities team at the Y and the facilities team at the city and the users who use
it gently, and the facilities team at the city and the users who use it
14:07:38 gently. And the users who use it gently at the city and the users who use it gently.
14:07:42 We've been able to get 60 something years of life out of it, about 60 actually, which is great, but I think you know the path forward is about 60 actually which is great but
I think you know the the path forward is if you choose to give the voters a chance to weigh in on this is great, but I think, you know, the path forward is, if you choose to give the
voters a chance to weigh
14:07:53 in on this is if you choose to give the voters a chance to weigh in on this is the current life of the facility which is it's probably past its life and it's on life support
those who I hear giggles from those who probably use it and are very aware of that so you know I don't this is not meant to instill fear we're gonna keep on trying to operate it as
it is for as long as
14:08:18 we We just had to authorize a hundred $1,000 to patch the roof for the third time and after that we can't actually patch it anymore. It actually comes down.
14:08:22 So it will be, really a decision on whether we have a pool or not in the region.
14:08:24 No, thank you for that clarification. I guess I have one more question about the public showers.
14:08:29 I think it's great to consider that amenity. I mean, 50,000 operations seems like a lot.
14:08:34 You're talking about separate freestanding showers, right? We'll see you building the same sort of thing. You can buy the prefab shower units.
14:08:44 Is that what you're talking about? No, it's built if you want to pull it up again.
14:08:49 It's built, it's designed right now on the back of the facility. So they're free, the people can use them without going through the facility.
14:08:55 And they're freestanding so I know that the why is not interested in operations of showers because they've had some difficulty over the years.
14:09:03 But it would probably be behoove us to find a nonprofit inside. In our inside Port Townsend or Jefferson County that would operate them.
14:09:14 Okay. The showers are on the bottom right hand side. Right there, right? Mark, to the right, right there.
14:09:24 There's 3 that are. External right to the parking lot in the sidewalk. So if I may in response to advocates who are saying that they don't want there to be any sort of background
check or need for ID in order to use those facilities and the Y.M.C.A. for its.
14:09:41 You know, security insurance purposes needs to have that level of risk management. So it, poor people use the showers inside the facility.
14:09:51 Which they have been doing for years at Mountain View, but it does require showing identification. And, you know, so in their operating model that's that's That's how they operate
and advocates are really pushing for these amenities and with no with no need for identification.
14:10:12 So it is a very different, it's adding on an entirely different purpose than what the Y, yeah, then the services that the Y, yeah, then the services that the Y provides.
14:10:20 That's the why. Yeah, then the services that the Y provides. That's the why. Yeah, then the services that the Y provides.
14:10:24 That's the why. Yeah, then the services that the Y provides. That's the why it's separate.
14:10:27 Great. Thank you. Alright, other questions? I'd love to hear from them.
14:10:37 All right, so can I see again a high hands on how many people? All right. I think we've got, oh yeah, online too if you can.
14:10:45 I think we're gonna have to do 1 min just to give. I think we're gonna have to do 1, min just to give everyone an opportunity.
14:10:51 Yep. I think we're gonna have to do 1, min just to give everyone an opportunity.
14:10:54 Yeah, and we can start with members of the steering committee that would like to make public comment and can I see a sign online too?
14:10:59 Can you raise your hand if you're in? Oh, we have 3 already. Okay. Great.
14:11:05 Well, we'll just do 1Â min and give everyone time and, Great. So, let's begin.
14:11:11 Good afternoon. I'm Dr. Linda Rosenberry, superintendent of the port times and school district.
14:11:17 The school district has offered their land for low lease for this project because we believe it's an equity issue.
14:11:24 So if you look at throughout Jefferson County, the most kids experiencing poverty are in the Port Townsend School District and so locating this pool near them near public transportation
right next to a bus stop will provide those opportunities for our young people who are right now many are struggling more than ever with suicidal allegations, substance abuse, and if
they had a place like this aquatic center to go to build community to build skill and
14:11:49 to feel valued by their county, it would make a huge difference. My concern is that our current pool will fail soon and we will have to bus our students to Port Angels or Squim
to learn how to swim and we will lose more and more families.
14:12:05 And so our enrollment going down and we will have less services for students in port towns and school districts and across the county.
14:12:10 If Jefferson County is not a place that invests in its young people. Thank you very much. Thank you so much.
14:12:17 All right, any other steering committee members that would like to make comment? John, do you want to say anything?
14:12:23 Gotcha, me. I don't think I need to say much. I mean, I've been I've been really lucky for this iteration of the process for the time that I've been here.
14:12:33 And I don't take it lightly for this iteration of the process for the time that I've been here.
14:12:36 And I don't take it lightly that it's a pretty big ask of the whole county to think about a regional facility.
14:12:37 I will say, you know, I probably said this a lot of times because I've come up to speed with the history of this project because we've tried to do it for decades and it right
kind of gets down to the wire and then it falls apart and I guess we're hoping that because the partners, which is an extraordinary, you know, group of agencies and committed people.
14:12:57 We've gotten this far. It would be a real shame for it to fall apart and partly because, you know, look, I'm also a dad and I also care about kids in our region.
14:13:06 But also I do feel like the amenities in Port Townsend are on the decline for families and young people.
14:13:13 And that has me greatly concerned about this future of this of this community. So, I guess just thinking forward, we have an opportunity now that's not very, it's fast to Commissioner
Eisenhower's point to maximize the external subsidy for this and our partners really requires a quick quick action and I guess it's the city's hope that The efforts we put to this,
the $400,000 worth
14:13:36 of subsidy that we put in every year plus a little extra for facilities. And actually, if I could speak to finding somebody of Kerry Heights caliber in the state to actually
leave this initiative.
14:13:46 This is not your first rodeo. You've built pools. You've operated parks, parks departments and other cities much larger than ours.
14:13:55 You know, that actually also was a pretty significant, subsidy. If you want to use that word from the city over the course of 3 years to lead that project at about half a million
dollars, all up.
14:14:06 So, you know, we, we've kind of put our money where our mouth is in terms of how much we want to contribute based on how big we think the impact is regionally.
14:14:13 We stand by that and we hope we can continue to work in partnership to see it through. Thank you, Mr. Mark.
14:14:19 All right, do we? Yes. Bill, come on up. Hmm.
14:14:23 Thank you, Katie, for your thoughts on regionalism. Oh, you know, I vote for every school.
14:14:29 I don't have kids in this town. The superintendent address the need for young services.
14:14:36 There is not a community, I can think of it, is. Who's demographic needs a pool more than this town?
14:14:43 There's no better exercise in aquatic exercise. People my age and you know I've been I've been a swimmer that's where forever.
14:14:51 And the other thing I'm just gonna say it if you want to build this. Out the shower facility.
14:14:58 You need to talk to Aaron Berg at the port first. Thank you. Yes. Yeah, it's a terrible podium there.
14:15:06 Whoever comes up to speak, you wear, say, tripping. Who else would like to come out in the room?
14:15:11 Oh, please.
14:15:14 Hmm. Bye. I just wanted to say that. Really needs to be thought of regionally and that there's a current pool in Port Townsend and I wouldn't say not only because of the state
of it, but it does not boost my property value.
14:15:32 So it's kind of a false equivalent that we're building some spa and we're going to like the people in Port Townsend are gonna have this great bump to their real estate value.
14:15:42 But I think that I think that the momentum. Of all of all of Betty everybody coming together rather than it's not going to work because we're not going to use it.
14:15:56 And I guarantee you if Jefferson County is on board with older people if they break a hip and there is therapy that's available at the pool.
14:16:07 People from outside of Port Townsend will come. I was living in on Bainbridge and there was so much negativity about building a new pool back in the day.
14:16:14 Everybody thought the old pool was just fine. And there is so much community, community that you can't even imagine that happens when you have a pool where people can gather
and it's not.
14:16:25 Oh, you're from Kelsey and you can't come. It's our Port Townsend pool.
14:16:29 That's all I'm saying. Come together, come together.
14:16:40 1Â h to save $2527,000,000 and change this entire conversation. Contact Mclean Sprung.
14:16:48 Get a zoom call with him, address all your concerns to him. They are building state of the yard pools that they're designed to last decades around this country.
14:17:00 The membrane does be replaced but not the rest of the building. And the cost of the membrane replacement, ask him about it.
14:17:06 I contacted him about the humidity concerns. There's 0. There's it. How can you justify going forward and not contacting the world leader in alternative technology that is being
used by communities around this country so that they can afford a pool.
14:17:19 A strong structure that slashes cost by 50% and the financing costs could conceivably be shouldered by a PFT.
14:17:29 The city limits that would change everything. Contact Mclean Sprung get a Zoom call from him before you decide anything.
14:17:37 How else could you justify this to the voters that you're going forward on this and you haven't considered.
14:17:42 A cheaper alternative being used by other communities around the country. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, sure in the back.
14:17:49 Come on up.
14:17:55 You have people queued up. Oh yeah, let's see. Can I see who else would be?
14:18:02 We'll go with you next and then. Fine, for I live in the county. I drive about 15Â min to get to the pool.
14:18:10 I have been coming to it for 3 3 times a week for 26 years. It has gotten me through 3 hip surgeries.
14:18:17 And I know of many of my friends that come to the aerobics class. They live in the county.
14:18:25 They live in Cape George. They live in Chimicum. They live in Maristan. And even, some have come from quilting.
14:18:32 So I know that for kids it's very important. But it's also important for the seniors.
14:18:39 And I know of at least 2 in our current group. They come because it cures their depression. And helps with their social issues.
14:18:49 Thank you. Thank you so much. Alright, sir. And then you can get them first.
14:18:56 It is well thought of here. So your district 3. You have people that are gonna take a 3Â h drive to come here.
14:19:05 That doesn't make sense. 3Â h to come to a swimming pool. When they're driving by squ that has the same pole already.
14:19:12 So that doesn't work. Those that live over by squ are gonna go to squ. Versus drive all the way around.
14:19:20 It again. Doesn't buy off that it's beneficial to them. 2, and I don't mean insulting to all parties in this room.
14:19:28 But we're old enough. We remember this here's wish book. And if I sat my child down.
14:19:33 With that Sears Wish book. And said, what do you want? I'm gonna have a long list.
14:19:39 That picture is not a swimming pool. That's a big complex. That's a lot of money.
14:19:47 The complaint here is we need another pool. Then stick to the pool. Stay focused. Somebody here or more.
14:19:57 Has lost the focus. And has lost the picture. On getting a pool. Asking too much.
14:20:05 Thank you, sir. And you and then you're going to be next and insert in the in the blue and then gave after the gentleman in the book.
14:20:13 Having raised 4 children. Teaching every one of them to swim at the Y, which is a for-profit organization.
14:20:21 So we're going to pay somebody $400,000 a year.
14:20:25 To run a taxpayer-funded building. There are hundreds of children in this county that will never.
14:20:32 Benefit from that taxpayer funded building. They're too far away. Their parents work 2 and 3 jobs.
14:20:39 They don't have the money for it. They can't pay the fees to get in. To think that it's gonna benefit the elderly.
14:20:46 And it's just a little tax. I paid for the ladies groceries in front of me at the start today.
14:20:54 Because she told the cashier to stop. At a certain number. And the pile of food that was food.
14:21:04 Was going to get left behind. That means she's not gonna eat.
14:21:10 Pulls are a good thing. They're great for the kids. It needs to be a pool, not a complex.
14:21:17 The people here cannot afford it. Some of them can't afford it. Not $30. Cause they can't pay for their food already.
14:21:26 You need to think about it. Modesty is good. Thank you. Alright, yes, and then sir in the shambra followed by G and then we'll go to the white shirt.
14:21:36 Yeah, we're gonna do it in person that will go online. Good afternoon. I'm Diane McDade and Hadi. I want to introduce myself to you.
14:21:43 I'm working on the project to raise the money and I'd be happy to brief you on it and give you more details.
14:21:47 Just for clarity, the Jack organization set a goal of raising 3 million. We may have to up that, but we, when we talk about the 17 million, we're anticipating that those state
grants would be in the neighborhood of 10 to 11.
14:22:03 And that we might get some federal help too. I will say that fundraising is going to be hampered with out any certain day at all about what we're actually going to build or
what you know what's going to happen and I would encourage everybody to keep this on track now as a viable idea that final decision doesn't need to be made now but it'd be super terrific
to see that we can keep
14:22:22 moving ahead with this feasibility study. So that we get some independent review of all the finances, which I'm sure everybody's interested to see.
14:22:31 And then other ideas are talked about, yes, but I'm hesitant to see things just slow down now because we are gaining a great deal of momentum.
14:22:38 I don't want to go into all the details, but we have raised already a considerable sum of money.
14:22:42 When the original pool was built, the Kawanis Club contributed the funds. I think there's lots of people who want to help out the taxpayer.
14:22:51 The way it's structured. All the text patients in the county will only pay 40% of this entire construction cost.
14:22:57 The rest will come from the other tax, the other sales tax paid by tourists and from donations by individuals and by the feds in the state.
14:23:05 So, 40% is pretty darn good deal for a project like this. Thank you. Thank you, Diane. We'd love to hear you back.
14:23:11 I'm sure we'd love to all hear more of the information on the fundraising. That's great information.
14:23:18 All right, yes, sir in the in the loop.
14:23:22 I think you're not even there to the point where you should be looking at this. You, I don't think you've done your research, your homework.
14:23:30 You can't tell me right now how many different people it's non duplicated use the pool each week.
14:23:35 Those figures are out. I don't think you've done the homework of how often do the people use the pool.
14:23:40 By their specific days when pool traffic is heavy, which the individual aging groupings, what are the hourly breakdowns of the usage, basically getting a profile of who you're
aiming at and it's not there.
14:23:54 We don't even know how the research was conducted. Was it, daily log, questionnaire, interview, whatever?
14:24:00 So before you start jumping on, we got to do this. Know who the hell you're serving.
14:24:05 And that's not from what I've seen. And I just got involved in this thing. It's not there yet.
14:24:11 So. Go step by step, don't jump. And I keep on hearing the word community. But you keep on talking about.
14:24:19 The county. Well, which one is it? Because I'm hearing both your saying community, which you're doing a broad spans and you're looking at more of community as or talented and
either it's poor towns and or it's the whole county but then you better have enough people to back it up.
14:24:36 Thank you, sir.
14:24:40 Thank you, Game Family Living. I'm in support of this project from any of the reasons that have already been stated.
14:24:47 I do live here in Port Townsend. I have young children. They don't know how to swim because we don't make it to port towns in our, Los Angeles or Squim frequently enough to
support that yet.
14:24:58 I hope. To either do that or, that we get a new pool here. As to the size of this proposed facility as I understand It's important to have a cooler pool for exercise including
the high schools and including the out of town high schools that would be able to compete here and then a warmer pool for children and just people who like a warmer pool for exercise.
14:25:22 I believe this does. Not include a like therapy level. Pool or a lot of other amenities that are desired but that have been left off this plan in respect to trying to keep it
right sized for the project.
14:25:38 Lastly, I was in Portangelis. Last weekend for a birthday party and they were probably 12 families from Port Townsend there.
14:25:48 We were half the people in the facility. Thank you. Thank you. All right.
14:25:52 And sharing the way. And then who else in the room is one? Okay, you're next.
14:25:56 Hmm.
14:26:01 Yeah, when we moved here, 35 years ago, my wife was, Copy editor for the leader.
14:26:08 And at that time, the city council would always say Call in the experts from CH 2 M. Okay.
14:26:22 And I guess that that's That's the thing that I'm seeing right now. The picture that you had on there.
14:26:29 Doesn't have anything to do with. The actual place that you can see. where, where the pool is now.
14:26:39 Because the hill goes right up. Behind it. Okay, and this is the This is a this is an architectural.
14:26:52 Design that was made by somebody in the Midwest or something. It's like, it's like that pool is out in the middle of Oklahoma.
14:27:02 It's not in Port Townsend. Okay, that's the that's the first thing the second thing is wrap it up.
14:27:11 Yeah, that's submitted. Okay, that's it. Okay, that's the first thing. The second thing is wrap it up.
14:27:15 Sorry, that's submitted. Okay, that's it. Okay. Thank you very much.
14:27:16 And sorry. That sounds for everyone. That's the minute. So when you hear that lovely sound, if you could just kind of wrap it up and finish your thought.
14:27:20 I don't want to cut people off. Welcome. I'm a part of the summer team.
14:27:25 And I wanted to stress the need for a pool. Because when this one breaks down, we will not have a place to compete nor have practice and personally the swim team has brought
me from a place of being completely not okay to a person who goes out and does things, you know?
14:27:46 It's a great way to exercise and all the people on this swim team. Love it so much and I was at the pool this morning practicing and there's not enough space anymore.
14:27:58 I was sharing a lane with like 6 other people and when you know we have to lap swim and we're all swimming different paces it doesn't work.
14:28:06 And we need to have a pool that has a deep end so we can dive and it needs to be the temperature we swim in because swimming in a hot pool is not It's not good, you know, we
can't go the speed we're supposed to go when it's hot.
14:28:22 So we need a pool. Thank you so much. Hi, I'm also part of this room team and This is a big.
14:28:37 Stressor in my life because we definitely need a new pool. Somehow our team, it makes it to state.
14:28:44 I mean, every year that I've been in high school, we've made it to state, even though the pool that we have currently is not.
14:28:50 The yardage that we should be swimming in and so we have to work extra hard and as a lifeguard there I also see there's so many people who use it and there is quite frankly,
not enough space.
14:29:03 Just everyone's very kind about sharing everything, but it's a very small pool when you actually go into it and it's very old and the way that we call it down is with a hose
and like it's not it needs to be there needs to be a new pool.
14:29:20 So. Thank you so much. Anyone else in the room? Jane, please.
14:29:27 Jane Armstrong this morning I spoke to the need but the people in the room have spoken to it much better.
14:29:33 This pool was designed. On the site where it is into that hillside and there are other drawings that will show how it was built to accommodate here and with the input from the
community.
14:29:45 And I'd like to just start the comparison on the funding side. We found through the Jefferson Land Trust through our housing initiatives to the initiatives to save land down
around Brennan and and Quill seeing that we're having to layer the funding.
14:30:00 There are grants that there's private funds that we're finding common interests. Sometimes it's the Navy, sometimes there's other groups.
14:30:08 And that's really what's making this work this time as we have 7 partners who are together after over a year.
14:30:12 We have those groups reaching out to identify the sources and the timing of when those grants become available. And to where less than 40% or 40% of the total costs taxpayer
paid.
14:30:24 And then dispersed among where the tax is collected and who's paying it in the county. So I don't know how much finer you can get than that.
14:30:32 Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Armstrong.
14:30:37 I'd like to respond to the gentleman who asked who's looked at who's going to use this pool.
14:30:41 The Y.M.C.A, 2,014, did a very careful study. A very thorough market survey of the entire community.
14:30:50 It was a statistically accurate sample. Of all community areas. They called 800 or 5 people.
14:30:58 3 of those people currently use the Mountain View pool.
14:31:04 Over 30% of the 800 people said they would. Often use a new pool. So looking backwards at who's using the map, you pool is not going to give you all.
14:31:14 Accurate data who would use a new pool. And many people in the community who don't use a blue pool because too short.
14:31:20 They don't like the locker rooms. They don't like the chlorine system. You name it.
14:31:27 If you build a pool which addresses the community needs, the community will come and use it. Thank you.
14:31:37 I'm sorry. Give it a kick on the way out. Yeah, they got big legs. Anyone else in the room like to make comments?
14:31:43 Yes, please come on up. I've been on several iterations for I've been here for over 40 years to try and get it.
14:31:53 It's not just for the kids, it's not just for the old folks. It's for everybody.
14:31:58 This is what we had between 7 and 9 today alone. Just 7 and 9. People are using this.
14:32:06 Facility. And as it all said, if we have a newer facility that will have more people will get more people.
14:32:10 Thank you. Anyone else in the room like to make comment today?
14:32:16 All right, well, let's turn online. If anyone changes their mind, we'll come back to the room and let's bring.
14:32:22 How would I mean 0 3 0? Star 6, So to the person on the phone ending in 0 3 0 if you hit star 6 you can unmute once you get yourself unmuted well we'll give you a minute to
share your thoughts.
14:32:44 Good afternoon. I have 2 2 questions or 4 points. First of all, the question of subsidy for city of Port Townsend is going to be subsidizing by $400,000 a year.
14:32:58 Well, behalf of the people in the county who will never have access to the pool because it's simply not practical for them to use it.
14:33:05 That the half of the 30,000 people in the county who are going to be paying that that tax that's going to be another 3 to $400,000 of subsidy to the pool.
14:33:15 From the county, not from the city. So let's, let's do apples and apples.
14:33:20 Second question or point is, are you sure about the process by which this, this public facility district is going to be formed just by a resolution of the county commissioners
without any public vote without any public process creating a new governmental entity with taxation authority.
14:33:37 That just seems, out of bounds. So, I don't think that's gonna be legal, but I hope, I hope it's not.
14:33:45 Thank you.
14:33:46 Thank you. And we'll respond to that question after we finish public comment. We can address any questions that come up.
14:33:52 Okay. You bring in 1 6 5 over? Alright, in phone number any in 1 6 5 you have 1Â min to share your thoughts.
14:34:04 This is Marcia Kelvin in Quill scene and Greg, I just want to take the opportunity to say I agree with your position on this.
14:34:11 Okay.
14:34:11 So that's wonderful. You know we we are I'm 45Â min from Port Townsend here.
14:34:19 Brennan is like an hour. I don't even talk about the West End. I don't know if there's any way to exclude them.
14:34:23 I'll always go to bed for kids. I think having a great any pool is a great idea, but it should be as people keep saying a regional item centrally located.
14:34:35 That is not Port Townsend. That is Hadlock. And if we're looking at a six-year lifespan, that is where the growth is going to be happening.
14:34:41 The average age and hadlock try area is like 15 years younger than Port Townsend. And I know older folks, it's expensive for anybody to drive, at least they can do it, working
parents with kids, they're not going to be able to make that drive even if they could afford it, which in today's environment is really questionable.
14:34:58 So I'd advocate, slow it down. Let's do this, you know, so take the time to do something that's gonna last for a long time for decades, and I don't think it should be Port Tal.
Thank you very much.
14:35:11 Thank you, Ms. Calvin. All right, let's bring John Noak over. Okay, John, you should be able to speak there when you unmute yourself and you unmute yourself and you have a minute.
14:35:21 Hi, everyone. Just a couple of points real quickly. As a member of the steering committee, I just want to say that I'm really impressed with the work of that group and of the
consultants and I think it's been a very thoughtful process and I know a lot of questions that have come up in the room today have been reviewed by that group and have been looked into
and you know I believe our
14:35:46 recommendation represents the best, you know, the best pass possible plan to move forward. Also in terms of the PFD versus the MPD, just want to make you aware that as a school
board member.
14:36:01 We are concerned about using an MPD for funding the the pool because of the impacts on potential school funding that might be subsequent to this to the pool funding.
14:36:14 So just be aware of that and take that into consideration as you make your decision. Thank you.
14:36:20 Thank you, Mr. All right, let's unmute Mister Cook. And get yourself unmuted.
14:36:27 You have 1Â min to share your thoughts.
14:36:37 Mr. Cook, it looks like you're unmuted, but we can't hear you.
14:36:50 Mr. Kirk, we can come back to you if you're having other problems, but it looks like you're unmuted, but.
14:36:54 I cannot hear anything.
14:37:01 Hey, taking his hand down. No, put his hand back on. Okay. I'm just giving the play by play.
14:37:09 You guys can't see them. So everyone to be in the loop. Alright, well, we still can't hear you, Mr. Cook.
14:37:16 Well, I'm gonna go and see if there's anyone else in the room and we'll come back to you and try to give you another chance.
14:37:19 Anyone else in the room? Yes, please come up.
14:37:25 Hello, thank you. This reminds me a lot about crop one where This county lost funding for low income housing.
14:37:37 By a 70 to 30% vote. We have a room full of I realize this, but. Instead of wasting time and money.
14:37:49 Why don't we try to bring more people onto a plan that more people are agreeable to?
14:37:56 Like maybe Central County. Thank you. Thank you very much.
14:38:03 We're going to go back to Mr. Cook. You can always try to call in on the telephone as well, much cook and we can unmute you that way.
14:38:12 Can you? Okay. Yeah.
14:38:20 Okay. Alright, anyone else online that would like to make a public comment? We'd love to hear from you.
14:38:27 See, Wendy Bart there too. You want to see if Wendy wants to come over and say anything?
14:38:34 Hmm.
14:38:37 Okay, well, Mister Cook, I'm gonna, I'm gonna give you one more chance to try to get the, tech sorted out.
14:38:47 No, that's in. Okay. I see Wendy has come over and Wendy, I don't know.
14:38:53 If you have anything you'd like to add, I want to give you a chance as part of the steering committee and great to hear the Wise interested in being the.
14:39:01 In running this this. Future pool.
14:39:04 Yeah, thanks and I apologize as flying in from Houston today. So, just made it back, made it back home.
14:39:14 So a couple of things I We want to clarify the why is that nonprofit organization so that is one comment that I come up that I want to clarify.
14:39:25 I will echo what John Noak and other people on the steering committee have said. We've really, we have really tried to explore all of the options.
14:39:36 In terms of Where's the best location to site? The county pool, a pool that would serve the county.
14:39:43 Where, you know, what, are the right amenities? I think. It's important to note that actually the more amenities the facility has, the more you can decrease the subsidy.
14:40:02 Do you have any?
14:39:55 Related to operations of the facility. And so I think those are those are a couple of things that are really important to note and The other thing and talking about the PFD
versus the MPD, I just think.
14:40:23 Or treasurer Preda.
14:40:11 It is important to note that, you know, 20% of the sales tax generated in the county comes from tourists and so it's a great thing that actually tourists would be helping to
establish an amazing amenity for people throughout Jefferson County.
14:40:30 Hmm. She went not heard the first part of what was saying. Wendy or Stacey, can you just raise your hand to indicate that you're able to hear us?
14:40:39 We want to make sure that we're still, oh, yeah, Stacey's raised her hand.
14:40:43 Thank you very much. Sorry about the. Okay, great. Sorry.
14:40:49 Or switch. So, I'm gonna share my screen briefly here. Okay, so, I'm gonna share my screen briefly here, commissioners.
14:40:59 So, Mr. Teersch, had a question about legality of creating a PFT.
14:41:05 And so there's the RCW, 36 100 1 0. If you look at number 2.
14:41:12 The PFD is created upon adoption of a resolution providing for the creation of such a district by the county legislative authority in which the proposed district is located.
14:41:22 I think that's pretty clear that you have the authority by resolution to create the PFT. Which does not give us texting authority until we go to the voters.
14:41:33 My understanding is the PFT board, then that you appoint to the PFD board and PFD board adopts a bell language.
14:41:43 I mean, so I mean the city has operational control over the pool kind of through Y.M.C.A.
14:41:58 I guess but you know it's their facility right now but Are they gonna be interested? Are you gonna be interested in continuing to subsidize it when you're giving it to an external
organization that could decide they don't they don't want the pool operate anymore or they want to raise taxes again.
14:42:15 Right the steering committee recommended that the Y operated the Y has taken it to their board and they've accepted and the city certainly can continue the subsidy with the
pool in just like we're doing.
14:42:28 Right now with the Y. The PFD would have an operational agreement with the Y. But would it be the PFD or the city that gets to designate the Y?
14:42:36 The PFD would have to designate the way, but the steering committee as a whole everybody that's on the steering committee is recommending that the Y operate it.
14:42:44 Okay. Yeah. And, one thing to consider too would be the composition of the PFT.
14:42:51 We would want to make sure that we have representation from a number of different groups. So it's not county dominated.
14:42:56 And that's outlined in Statute as well. The PFD can and actually Mark, you can correct me if I'm wrong on this.
14:43:04 I know you're still online, but my understanding is the PFD can be 5 or 7 seats within a county.
14:43:09 Good to choose.
14:43:10 The composition of the County PFD board.
14:43:13 Oh, Mark, we can't hear you. I don't know. Maybe it is something on our, you want to check our speaker, make sure we're still on our, do you want to check our speaker?
14:43:23 That all looks off. Oh, there it goes. Try again, Mark.
14:43:29 Now the composition, is that better?
14:43:31 No. He's not muted.
14:43:38 Okay. Can you say testing testing, Mark?
14:43:43 Test, can you hear me now?
14:43:45 Yeah. Okay.
14:43:47 Oh, the composition of the PFD board is determined by the County Board of County commissioners.
14:43:54 But the statute provides for the the establishment of a inner local agreement. And so the parties that are have an interest in the facility could certainly enter into an inter
local agreement that determines the rights and obligations of each of the entities.
14:44:12 I don't I don't think that the city could tell the Board of County Commissioners whom to appoint to the board.
14:44:21 But.
14:44:23 It's possible that the county could agree and this is I'm not speaking on behalf of the county this would your legal counsel would need to to weigh on on this as to, you know,
how, how the county charters the PFT.
14:44:38 But once the, once the PFD is created, it's a separate entity, but it's the County Board of County Commissioners that appoint the directors.
14:44:46 Thank you. And we can maybe go back to you, Wendy. I think it was probably a problem on our end.
14:44:53 Do you want to try unmuting and and finish your thoughts?
14:44:57 Sure, I'm not sure if you heard anything that I said or maybe I was just talking to myself.
14:45:01 Okay. Yeah.
14:45:06 Just a couple of things. I want to echo what John Noak said just I think although I hear Heidi that this feels very.
14:45:15 The steering committee really has spent a lot of time thinking about what's the right location, what is.
14:45:24 I mean, goodness listening to Dr. Rosenberry too, the property, we have no property costs at all.
14:45:31 Staying at the Mountain View location and I do know that people are traveling all over the place to get their kids to swimming pools.
14:46:14 And at the end of the day, this really becomes a vote to the people. So I just am really hoping that we can take this next step and focus on something that really is becomes
a legacy for our community.
14:46:43 So I really appreciate everyone's thoughtfulness. I just think we are at a point that is so critical.
14:46:51 To moving forward for the kids and families and seniors in our community.
14:46:56 Thank you, Wendy. Oh, I had one other question earlier before you joined us, I think, about the staffing challenges that are that a new pool might encounter.
14:47:08 I'm wondering if you have any. Thoughts on that looking a couple of years down the line.
14:47:12 Yeah, one thing that I will share is that the aquatic staffing shortage is not a poor Townsend issue, it's not a Puget Sound issue, not just a state issue.
14:47:26 It's a nationwide issue. All of my colleagues that wise all across the country are experiencing the exact same thing and I really do believe it's a now issue.
14:47:38 We went through a period of time where high school students just they've been through a lot and really have kind of lost that workforce and we are seeing more and more people
coming back that we have more and more high school guards and it's The great first job for kids, but we've got lifeguards, they teach swimming lessons and I see it as a now issue not
a forever issue and I also don't think that's a
14:48:03 reason not to move forward like this is such a critical piece of infrastructure for our community. So, but I'm, firmly believe it's a now issue, not a forever issue.
14:48:16 And like I said, we're seeing more and more high school students and more and more people. Kind of reentering the workforce, but it's actually also not just an aquatics issue,
it's a I think every every sector is experiencing work for shortages as you mentioned this wealth.
14:48:34 So.
14:48:35 Great. Thank you. I also wanted to, one other thing that I don't think you mentioned explicitly today, but I appreciate that the decision has been made about the cost, right?
14:48:44 It's a hundred $10,000 roughly to run a special election with just a single item on it.
14:48:50 And I think the proposal is Right now, splitting it between the city and the county for that. And I Appreciate that, you know.
14:49:05 And thank you for bringing that up. I, and I guess my kind of question around that and sort of the, you know, and I guess my kind of question around that and sort of the, you
know, the tension that exists on the dais right now about this.
14:49:11 I think everyone's kind of question around that and sort of the, you know, the tension that exists on the dais right now about this.
14:49:13 I think everyone's in support of a pool. It's the funding mechanism that is more contentious among my CBS and I.
14:49:18 Are there other ways to show support that would support these these grant opportunities this spring? I mean even a PFD if we decided on that on the normal ballot, you know,
would cost a hundred $1,000 less.
14:49:32 So I'm wondering, are there other ways we can demonstrate support to qualify for these grants that are coming up imminently.
14:49:39 Most certainly. I mean, I think that any letters of collaboration will be helpful from all of the partners.
14:49:45 And I know that I talked to Commissioner Dean and I think that, you guys have already talked to your lobbyists, I think, to start looking for some money in the federal level.
14:49:59 And we have some connections at the state level and so any kind of supportive letters is helpful.
14:50:01 Going forward.
14:50:02 Can I chime in on that too? So with, with the, grants that are available through the Department of Commerce for nonprofit organization.
14:50:12 They really do look at what percent of funds are already committed toward the project and it it makes a difference in terms of the ranks of the project because they want to
have confidence in the projects ability to proceed.
14:50:27 So it matters. In terms of ranking with though and those are competitive grant funds. The But, when they see significant amount of funds raised toward the over, cost of the
project, it just makes the grant request score very high.
14:50:45 So it does matter. For those, commerce grants and I do believe it would be upwards.
14:50:53 It could be more than 11 million dollars toward the cost of this project. So it's meaningful. Even when you're talking about a hundred $1,000 investment to put this on the ballot,
the return in terms of being able to secure those grants is amazing.
14:51:10 Yes.
14:51:08 If it passes, probably not a great. You probably don't put it on the grant application if it doesn't pass, right?
14:51:15 Okay.
14:51:17 Okay. Okay. Other thoughts? No, I just wanna say that.
14:51:25 I'm sorry I'm still absorbing and Greg just told everyone to email me so I have more. But we.
14:51:34 Came here today understanding that this was a briefing on this issue. Not a decision point. That was my understanding coming in the door.
14:51:40 So I was not prepared to make a decision. I was prepared to listen and that's what I've done and I'm going to read all the rest of the comments that we've received in the last
24Â h.
14:51:51 And I'm happy to chat with folks. I have a few meetings already scheduled on this issue in the next few days, but.
14:51:55 You know, it's a lot to it. Commit folks in our county for the next 30 years, even though it's 10, it's, you know, people say 2 lattees, it's like, well.
14:52:06 You know, it's, it's a commitment, right? And we're in tearing into a committed relationship and we should be thoughtful.
14:52:13 And have all the information before we make a big decision. So it's not about not supporting kids.
14:52:20 I drive kids around too. They're not mine. They're my god children, but I drive them around a lot because they live in Chemicum and they Go to sailing camp and you know, I mean,
I'm I understand the challenges of living in this county.
14:52:31 And and also the benefits. So we're all together on this. We're just learning and Working our way through all the issues.
14:52:42 Okay. Yeah, for the Monday the 4? Everything's the fourth. The next step on our part is to get that independent financial analysis and that takes about a month or 2 so that
it's going to be January. Okay. So that it's going to be January. Okay. So we have a little time. And have some time to read.
14:53:08 You know Go ahead. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Just also to note, I mean, it's maybe not all the information because information is coming in still, but you can you can go to the
city website to find at least some of the information because information is coming in still, but, you, you can go to the city website to find at least some degree of depth and information's
coming in still, but, you, you can go to the city website to find at least some degree of
14:53:26 depth And some of those are first drafts and insert expletive first drafts, you know, and I think that's evolved over time.
14:53:31 So that's why this was a really tight presentation on the most recent layout and kind of funding mechanism.
14:53:38 But, you know, there's quite a lot of history about the MPD, the Metropolitan Parks District, the impact, different designs, and quite a broad amount of community input that
went into the steering committee and their recommendations.
14:53:50 So for those who might want to, you know, increase their reading on the weekend, you can go and check that out too.
14:53:57 Appreciate that. And let me, if we send it back to the city and said, hey, we think an NPD would be more appropriate, you know, strategically to heck.
14:54:07 What what would happen? Well, that would the could the timeline still be the same? What it like if we were gonna try to go down that path, what would it look like?
14:54:15 Yeah, we would, likely call the steering committee together and have all the bring trust at the table to figure that out and roll up our sleeves and try to figure that out.
14:54:24 And follow a question before you, John, and is the independent financial study support both of those? It's only required for a PFD.
14:54:35 It's not required for an empty. And how would only be using it, what would happen, but I think it's worth using about the careful balance of a number of things that come together
to right now.
14:54:44 You know, one partner brings land and that's not the city. That's the school district because they own the Mountain View campus land.
14:54:52 So one group brings $400,000 of current subsidy, not future but current subsidy for the operations in the pool and that's the city.
14:55:02 You know, one group brings the potential for significant grand funding in the Y.M.C.A. And then a number of groups, I'll say also including the school district have their own
capital needs which are probably I mean, in the worst regressive state in the nation, tax wise, only satiated with property tax.
14:55:20 So I think I can only muse that if that became the preferred direction from the county, it would have a pretty significant negative impact on those who we've been really trying
to phase in time some of the collective lift on our community in a way that didn't, you know, block out partners or, or frankly put the community at large and more debt.
14:55:42 So I think that's, it's been a careful balance to get here and so I imagine it would be like Kerry says kind of back to the drawing board a little bit with the steering committee
to kind of work that balance out again.
14:55:51 Just my amusing.
14:55:55 Okay, and the last thoughts? Nope, I think I've been clear in my position. Okay.
14:56:02 Great. Well, you know, it's great to have people in the in the chambers.
14:56:08 I'm sorry it's such a divisive issue but I think that there's a lot of energy to make our community better.
14:56:13 I think that's the ultimate goal. So I hope we can keep that in mind as we as we, you know, model through this together.
14:56:19 So I really appreciate everyone's time and, perspectives. So, oh, let's read that out loud into the record.
14:56:29 And I think that might have been our problem. And I think that might have been our problem even with her the whole time.
14:56:33 And I think that might have been our problem even with herb the whole time. Yeah, so sorry.
14:56:34 Sorry, Mr. Cook, if we couldn't hear other people. Let's just read that out loud.
14:56:43 Let me say. Oh, he was just reiterating that the Y.M.C.A. is a 5 or one c 3 nonprofit corporation and contributions are fully tax deductible.
14:56:56 Well, the Y.M.C.A. is an offer. Or profit. They are absolutely never going to do anything where they lose money.
14:57:04 This is why they now refuse to every time. To run a free shower program. Because it has cost a month.
14:57:13 Okay, so thank you. Yeah, we're done with college now. We don't want to get into it back and forth.
14:57:18 But thank you everyone for being here. We'll get moments to clear. We're going to talk about interesting stuff in the next agenda item.
14:57:24 We're going to talk about it. We'll get moments to clear. We're going to talk about interesting stuff for the next agenda item.
14:57:29 You don't have to leave. It's interesting stuff for the next agenda item. You don't have to leave.
14:57:32 It's interesting stuff for the next agenda item. You don't have to leave. No one ever stays.
14:57:40 Oh, gotcha. Okay. Well, maybe we'll see Dan and Brennan.
14:57:45 I think, Scarantino, who's here right now. You talk to him in the vest, the gray vest there on the way out.
14:57:54 He's here right now. You're talking him in the, the gray vest there on the way out.
14:57:58 I think he writes for the free press. Just a community number.
14:58:51 Let's see if, why don't we just recess for 5Â min and we'll get we'll get cleared out.
15:05:46 Just riff without.
15:05:51 We can do all right. I will call us back into session. Sorry, we just had a logistical clearing of the room, but we're back here and we're joined with the very patient public
works staff, our county engineer, Bonnie Reinders and our solid waste manager, Al Cairns.
15:06:11 Talk about Public Works request for the an MOU with Waste Connections for municipal solid waste hauling for a specific project.
15:06:18 Yeah, for the hospital. Demolition, which large project and so I'll do most of this but I've just teased it up.
15:06:25 Nothing's been finalized here or anything, but we're We're in a process of.
15:06:30 Negotiating a possible agreement and we wanted to bring you up to speed on that and it's always good to just be able to talk to the board about solid waste issues anyway.
15:06:42 We're not talking about a fee here. But we're talking about collecting some revenue for waste that leaves the county so it feels like something the board should be looped in
on.
15:06:58 And then if we have time, we might also talk about another little item that Al had as well about, an old resolution the board had about.
15:07:08 Granting certain community projects, a waiver from, from solid waste fees, but it's not really a waiver because still someone else in the county and other fund has to pay those
fees.
15:07:20 It's it's because solid waste is enterprise fund. But, If we have time and you have interest, we can also briefly touch on that topic.
15:07:29 But Al, will talk about this hospital demolition project and, possible. Agreement with.
15:07:38 Waste connections on that project. Great. I wonder we just talk logistics for a minute, cause we, I mean, there isn't a rush on the legislative agenda, but we should if we're
if we want to do more spend more time with these guys.
15:07:52 We could. We could push that agenda item off, but we should let the other. Directors and electives know who might be planning to attend.
15:08:01 How long do you think, Al? Yeah, it seems like a 5Â min. I feel like we're okay. Okay. I think we're good. Okay.
15:08:12 I think we're good. Okay. I think we're good. Okay. I think we're good. Okay. Thank you. Okay.
15:08:29 Gonna get you out of here We had kind of talked, about what we are calling a regional direct fee.
15:08:32 And that fee would, would allow waste haulers to move waste outside of Jefferson County and bypass the transfer station for certain select and unique projects that would overwhelm
the capacity of the transfer station.
15:08:49 That fee wasn't ripe enough. That discussion had, you know, really carried on as far as it needed to to resolve or to get or to gain swax approval of that or not approval but
they're their understanding of it even and their opinion about that in favor of it.
15:09:09 The hospital project of course has and the impetus of that discussion was this pending hospital project with an estimated 600 tons of material.
15:09:20 Within like 2 weeks. Really? On a trust? 30 roll offs a day.
15:09:28 Wow. Right, yes. No, that's, that's precisely what we said. Yeah, Scott snacks.
15:09:52 So, so one of the considerations is that, You know the county and by the county I mean all of our customers on a per transaction basis have invested heavily.
15:09:59 In the infrastructure to serve the whole of the county in that facility. So where an entity moves a large amount of materials around that facility and goes direct to either
an intermodal facility saying Shahalis or written or directly to landfill.
15:10:16 The county is still serving as a fallback. For them should that direct route fail them. Right. And so there's value in that.
15:10:26 We're sort of a, an insurance policy for them. We're there for them. We can we can mobilize additional crew, additional equipment, which we which we have done in this case in
anticipation of the hospital project.
15:10:38 We've rented a large excavator. The problem for us right now is that we don't have staff to run the equipment.
15:10:47 And so this is a real necessity to move it along. We're, you know. We don't like losing revenue.
15:10:55 We're an enterprise fund. We, you know, actively solicit more materials to our facility. So, so it's, you know, it's only out of an extreme necessity in this condition that
we'd like that material to go around the facility.
15:11:11 Waste Connections understands the value. That built infrastructure that's in place for them. I mean, 99.9% of all their material comes to us is generated in Jefferson County.
15:11:24 So the understand the investment value there. And so they have suggested. This rate to pay the county for the privilege of bypassing the facility.
15:11:37 So we set that at 10% of the current pre-tax per ton rate. So that's what's been proposed and early draft of this MOU.
15:11:50 Has been approved by them. Philip Hunsucker recommended additional revisions, additions to it.
15:11:57 We've made them and we've sent we forward those revisions to them this morning the person there at waste connections who needs to review it is out of the country for the next
week so this wouldn't, be on the agenda for the 20 seventh.
15:12:13 It would probably be for the first Monday in December. We know that there's burn into our branding.
15:12:22 On the fourth, assuming a positive review by way's connection. Correct. Okay. Any questions on this matter?
15:12:31 Seems like lean thinking to me. I don't know. What's the? Sorry about my comment earlier, but what's Is it the old building that will be in those?
15:12:49 That's what I was wondering. Yeah. Yeah, but the rest of the Rest of the, would come to us.
15:12:56 It's difficult. Ways to manage in terms of packing it and trying to get to your target axle weights because it's a lot of fluff.
15:13:04 So it takes a lot more time with the equipment to pack it in there. Yeah, CND is a real problem.
15:13:11 That's why we're, we're currently accepting most of our CND on the temporary wall because it can stay doesn't need to be containerized.
15:13:19 By the end of the day, it can stay on the wall. And then when we have staff available.
15:13:24 We, some staff will spend all 8Â h just packing that material that's been left on the temporary wall.
15:13:31 And of course we don't approve this for some reason. That just slows down the line and and impacts a already really constrained staffing capacity.
15:13:42 Yes.
15:13:45 Yeah, so flow control is, usually adopted by ordinance. It, when a county wants to preserve and protect their asset, their, their huge capital investment in a transfer station.
15:14:04 They adopt flow control advances, which disallows any waste dollar. To move material out of the county to bypass those facilities.
15:14:11 So you're just protecting your customers investment in that in that facility. We were, we've been waiting until we have.
15:14:23 Until we're confident in the cost estimate of a new transfer station to start that conversation with the board about a flow control ordinance, you know, and we're when we're
talking about an investment of 10 million dollars or more, then that commerce, it makes more sense to protect that investment.
15:14:40 But we, you know, we do wanna have that conversation about the adoption of a flow control ordinance.
15:14:46 So they could just right now they could just drive it out of town and we get nothing. They could.
15:14:55 I'm glad that they approached you guys though. Is that they did that seems like a really strong relationship.
15:14:57 We have a very good relationship with our waste haulers here. Yes. So, and we maintain that.
15:15:02 So we've, we've always, looked at flow control as being something that you can affect without an ordinance by virtue of your fee, keeping your fee reasonable, your service is
really good.
15:15:14 Your hours of operation really good for our waste haulers we allow them into the facility off hours regularly.
15:15:21 To conduct their business so we do everything we can to be just a really good partner.
15:15:28 That's true. And, and with, you know, the nearest other facilities being South of Bremerton and east of Portangelis, that helps too.
15:15:36 So where are they gonna drive it straight to the trains that are? Trucks go to and just put it straight on the trains to the click attack?
15:15:46 Probably to the Shahalis intermodal facility. Yeah, because click attack. It's one round trip per driver.
15:15:53 So it's just out of reach. If you can do, you can't really gain efficiencies until you can do 2 turnarounds in a day.
15:15:59 So it has to go in a modal facility. So truck to rail. Only drawback here is that we could be getting more revenue if it was all going through tipping fees, but that's the logistical
problem of clogging up the.
15:16:14 Transfer station. Yep. Yeah, 54% over capacity, we feel it. Yeah, so then you throw staffing issues into it.
15:16:28 Hate to lose it. Totally. I mean, you're coming back with this, but I'm.
15:16:36 Super supportive of this. When are you have it finally negotiated, but I guess we're looking for.
15:16:49 You're preliminary. If you're for preliminary approval. Yeah. Yeah. That's it.
15:17:02 Make it so. Alright. And then did you have time to discuss? So we it's been since 2,008 since we've had a request for a waiver from the tipping fee.
15:17:19 It's been since 2,008 since we've had a request for a waiver from the tipping we used to, we used to field a lot of these requests.
15:17:22 They were typically associated with, Earth Day cleanup events, community cleanup events, beach cleanups.
15:17:27 So it's been the first in a long time. This is from a couple in the cool scene area who have been doing, marine litter collection for quite some time.
15:17:38 And they've asked for a, waver and his money pointed out that it's a bit of a misnomer.
15:17:44 What we're requesting and we hope to have this agenda item for you for next Monday. Is.
15:17:52 Is a is for the board to agree to reimburse the enterprise fund for the cost of. Of their disposal.
15:18:03 And so again, there's As an enterprise fund, nobody's actually waved from the fee.
15:18:09 We're just made whole again through another fund. And, again, it's been so long.
15:18:16 I can't recall what fun the board had previously agreed to reimburse. Let me guess. I think yours.
15:18:25 How much are we talking here? For this we estimate between 540 and 720.
15:18:32 Dollars. Yeah. That's why when this issue used to come up all the time, the board actually did a resolution to control it.
15:18:52 And made it be, you know, go through the board because otherwise it gets. To be out of control because it does you can set precedent it really has to be who decides what a community
of benefit and event is some or staff person in public works, no.
15:19:11 So, and a lot of time in the past, those requests would come from the community. Through board member, to public works.
15:19:21 So really. In 95 this resolution was created to try to put a process around that recognizing that solid waste is an enterprise fund.
15:19:33 We can't just decide some people don't have to pay. Because they're doing good work.
15:19:37 I know. So then concurrently, would that be something that we would put in the budget, assuming that we have 3 to 5 of these every year?
15:19:44 Well, that's a great question. What it says here is that when the board approves a waiver, it will then decide.
15:19:54 The fun that we'll make. Solid waste hole. Well, not really. Cause a bunch of fun, you could take it from the road fund, but it's a.
15:20:09 You could take it from the road fund, but it's a restricted fund and then the auditor would ping you for that.
15:20:12 The obvious fund is a general fund, non departmental probably. Or no it'd be operating transfer I would think.
15:20:21 And rather than having to do a supplemental to react to these things, it would be prudent to like Heidi is suggesting to have a budget item.
15:20:30 Based on anticipated volume. Sometimes we get requests for waivers of, event related fees. You get them through the commissioners.
15:20:43 Sometimes we get requests for waivers of, event related fees. You get them through the commissioners. Event related fees.
15:20:49 You get them through the commissioners. You get them through the commissioners. You get them through the commissioners.
15:20:51 Yeah, I think it's a temporary food permit for an event. 50% discounted. Right.
15:20:57 And all waiver of the right. So this is more costly than the food. I know we approve them.
15:21:06 Well, I've asked Apple to come to the board asking to revoke. I've asked Apple to come to the board asking to revoke the requirement that those come to the board because they're
so few and far between and they're such a small dollar amount.
15:21:16 $1. It's a waste of administrative time to bring it to the board. This, however, if the word gets out, I'm sure you might see an increase.
15:21:26 I guess it's good the room cleared out in volume. Hmm. I mean, this is.
15:21:31 Why we wanted to take this opportunity to bring it up because. You know, you do it once, no big deal, but you know, this can have far reaching effects and it's I mean I've heard
these kinds of requests which we've Just kinda headed off over the years for.
15:21:48 You know, noxious weed disposal, you know, not having to pay for the fee because it's save worse but you know, and so Yeah, it can be problematic and maybe maybe the board.
15:22:04 Doesn't want to go down this or we need to rethink this resolution from the nineties you know i think to include the resolution please in the in the agenda request so we can
review it I think because that's the critical thing right and whether that controlling resolution is appropriate to prevent, you know, everyone that's got something that, well, the
community sure would benefit if I took this thing and didn't put it on
15:22:25 the side of my. Curb. So yeah, Okay. Yeah, I am.
15:22:36 I guess, I mean, would also like to see the, I guess I have it here, I can open it up, but I'm curious kind of how to ensure that, that there's public benefit associated with
this, right?
15:22:48 I mean, does it have to be in a public right of way or publicly on property or you know.
15:22:53 Shoreline. And then too, you know, do we wanna link it to say a nonprofit, you know, something that's been kind of has some, some. Vetting.
15:23:05 But I'm curious, would so would it be the, the whole tipping fee that would be.
15:23:14 Need to be reimbursed then or would it be some marginal? I mean, given that there are fixed costs to public works that are not changed by having a volunteer effort to come through.
15:23:26 Yeah, for staff it takes a little bit of effort to work with the requester to figure out the estimated volume or weight of the materials.
15:23:36 And we've got some pretty good metrics and going back into the way back files. We found how we determined, you know, estimated volumes and costs associated with that.
15:23:46 And that's how we came up with that range of cost between 540 and 720 for, for this.
15:23:53 This is fairly unique to most of the. Fact all of the previous requests were single day events. This request is for an ongoing.
15:24:02 Collection of the materials and so we had to kind of rethink how we could make that happen.
15:24:08 We're proposing that that an account be set up with with our finance department and we would have to monitor that account so we would have a not to exceed limit in other words
in there a balance would be established in the account and then we would monitor it.
15:24:26 We would also have to issue the letter. To the requester. Each time they said that they were going to bring material to us and and so we would issue another letter that they
hand to the scale attended.
15:24:40 And then our finance division would have to monitor that account. And make sure that, you know, as we got close to that final, not to exceed amount, we notified them and let
them know.
15:24:50 You only have half a pickup truck left on this account. And then of course because they've been doing it for many years, the open question then is well, is this a Perennial
request to the board to re-establish this account.
15:25:03 So it does open up a lot of kind of philosophical. Noodling over this. I mean there is a lot of public benefit from folks doing this kind of stuff too, you know, so I mean,
I like the attachment, the kind of the policy document that's attached to the resolution kind of lays it out.
15:25:19 And if we had a a set amount that we put in the fund each year and this was how much we could do you know reimburse solid waste before you know in this calendar year.
15:25:30 Let me, cause I can imagine, you know, the folks to clean up after fireworks every year, you know, they always pay for that.
15:25:36 Those that are supposed. Yeah. So, I mean, there's a lot of different areas where it could be.
15:25:42 Applied and I see you know it makes it says individuals or organizations can apply for you know and again the current resolution or a policy attachment.
15:25:51 That's, you know, that seems reasonable up and up to a reasonable limit. So I don't know.
15:26:00 With, I mean, ideally having it not be really burdened some administratively, like, I think it's worth.
15:26:06 You know, trying to figure out if there's a way to streamline it. It sounds like a fair amount of work that if that can be less effort.
15:26:12 I am like a punch card. It's a lot of work and there's a lot of public benefit from it and it's a great way to establish really good working relationships with our customers
too.
15:26:24 So it's worth the effort. So long as we don't make it to administratively burdened.
15:26:33 So we like we have like solid waste affirmment, you know, environment of public health and everything, some of those funds that are for just this purpose, right?
15:26:38 If we really, I won't name the other funds that I would recommend. And this is this is not limited to solid waste.
15:26:51 It's. 90 95 documents. No, it's Only ordinances, fees associated.
15:26:58 So it could be any, it could be environmental. Hmm. Seems like something that we would. Wanna really think about policy implications of.
15:27:14 Yeah, so you know, I guess another, I mean, that's why we thought we bring this up.
15:27:20 This is kind of a late breaking issue here, but sounds like maybe this needs a little bit more time potentially and I don't know that this request is an emergency.
15:27:31 We could, yeah, we could certainly. Push this back. And say that the county needs to review its current policy on this and where the money is coming from and things like that
before we can.
15:27:45 You know, evaluate a specific request like this. I mean, you can.
15:27:52 Clean up the beach anytime. It doesn't have to be next week, right? So, so maybe it kind of feels like maybe that's something we need to.
15:28:00 And I need to talk to the county administrator as well about. Ia little bit more reasonable.
15:28:08 Just like these, the permutations expand pretty exponentially when you start considering it. This is a broad resolution that applies to any fee charged by any department.
15:28:18 For which a waiver might be requested. Is there any reason to delay this application? I don't want to discourage it.
15:28:33 Well, just because we like might want to take a look at the policy. Right. For future uses, but like.
15:28:39 I don't see, cause I mean this resolution is still current, right? It has not been rescinded.
15:28:46 I mean, this resolution is still current, right? It has not been rescinded. So I would be fine with continuing with this one, knowing that we are going to be looking at it.
15:28:52 For future use. I would too and maybe considering setting a threshold in the future so that we can budget.
15:28:58 An amount that we don't anticipate going above. Yeah, I mean essentially the county is saying We're willing to put in.
15:29:07 X amount of dollars a year for clean, you know, community clean up events and once you hit that threshold, then that's it for that year, you know, which would be Fine, I mean
the county used to do small grants and things.
15:29:24 So yeah, that could be the case. Just to be clear, I think You guys are looking at a resolution about fee waivers.
15:29:32 We have a Resolution specific to solid waste key waivers. It's nothing different. Oh, it isn't. Is it the same 10, okay.
15:29:44 Enterprise, 74 dash 95. Okay, so we're all talking about the same one then.
15:29:51 Okay, shocking blast. Gotcha. Yeah, I guess I don't have an objection to considering this request, which is in front of us.
15:29:57 Okay. There's no threshold in there. It's like, 750, say.
15:30:09 Sure. But I think the, as we go forward and look at this policy and maybe kind of dig into the resolution, maybe we want to demarcate between different.
15:30:15 Funds, you know, I mean different. And again, we're just looking for Kind of the go ahead, we can, we'll bring this through a consent agenda, you know, next week or whatever
for your.
15:30:30 Approval if that if you. Want us to put this on the agenda. $750. Feels like it. Okay. It's yeah. And let Mark decide where to pull that from.
15:30:43 And, Yeah, cause I mean we want to encourage this kind of community. Mindedness, you know, I think we totally want to be careful to not have there be abuses of it and you know,
people don't want to make it too easy for people to be really irresponsible with litter either.
15:31:00 Was that the garlic both that washed up on Discovery Bay? No. Because there was a big clean up effort associated with that.
15:31:09 No, we don't wanna get into that. Okay, great. So, okay. Make it so.
15:31:18 Great. Thank you. Thanks you guys. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks you guys. All right. Good to see you guys. Thanks for coming out and work for me.
15:31:36 Okay. I would love to. Al, could, could you recommend a thumbs up or a thumbs down on the new iteration of the, yeah, the producer responsibility the new producer responsibility
bill or is that too long a conversation?
15:31:54 Okay, great. That's all I needed to produce a responsibility bill or is that too long a conversation? Okay, great.
15:31:58 That's all I needed. Yeah, push it back. Producers. Absolutely.
15:32:06 Okay, that's some of the fairies are wrapped in a Coca-cola, images now that, oh, your bottle is a hundred percent recy Yeah, I was wanted to, someone had ripped down one of
those.
15:32:15 Civic leader. Okay, thanks. Thank you. Thanks,
15:32:27 Okay. I was on that very the first day. Did they wrap the whole fairy now? And all the inside, all the stairwells, all the walls are all Coca-cola and you have all the inside
all the stairwells all the walls are all Coca-cola and you know plastic bottles everywhere.
15:32:44 Yeah And then like, oh, Ferries are just one. Or one of the, yeah, doors should be 2 fresh ads or something. Right.
15:32:57 Wouldn't be a lot of my middle school, you know, sugary drinks, diabetes billboard.
15:32:59 That's for revenue purposes. Yeah, okay. We are on to our legislative update. We're joined by some of our of our esteemed colleagues.
15:33:12 Thanks for being here. You wanna see this off? Sure, yeah. So, we have a number of, legislative efforts that the board engages with and as we start to narrow down to some priorities
we also wanted to give our departments an opportunity to weigh in on what their legislative priorities were so that we could all be.
15:33:33 Gonna pull in in the same direction and you know it's it's early days but I know that many of you have had your professional associations developing their agendas so thought
it'd be great to hear from you and see if.
15:33:45 There are things that you want support on from either the commissioners or the assuming, yep.
15:33:58 Yeah, I think it's probably too late for Nola per se at the North Public Legislative Alliance.
15:34:00 We do a shared legislative agenda with some other jurisdictions. Jefferson and Cleveland County, We also have a kind of a unique opportunity and that the legislative steering
committee with the Association of Counties did not adopt a legislative agenda and typically the representative who's been me for a number of years is discouraged from taking strong
positions on a lot of other bills if they are not in agreement with.
15:34:23 The legislative steering committee and I doubt that any of you are bringing forward things that there would not be agreement on but we might choose to take positions that didn't
agree with legislative steering committee and we are allowed to do that this year because we don't have a agenda that we have to be really loyal to.
15:34:43 So I was bummed that. A legislative steering committee did not couldn't agree and yet it does provide a little more latitude so My anybody who's online wanna come over like
apples there.
15:34:57 And I just don't know if any other department directors. Okay. Oh, there's Apple's hand.
15:35:04 So I thought maybe we could hear from our colleagues and then, you know, maybe discuss. I have a list of things that we have.
15:35:14 Tossed around the last month or so that we might be interested in. I don't feel like we need to decide on an agenda that we stick to, but I think it's good to have us kind of
prepared and aware of each other's efforts.
15:35:28 And we might decide on a couple of key priorities. So we'll prioritize hearing from our colleagues here so we can start in the room and we'll prioritize hearing from our colleagues
here so we can start in the room and go online.
15:35:38 Anyone that would like to kind of talk about. What they what they see in the upcoming legislative session.
15:35:42 Just wanna do it on the microphone, so I don't know. Quinn, wanna you wanna go for you?
15:35:48 Can you wanna come take a seat?
15:35:52 So what up to you, Brandon? Let It's my broccoli because I have to leave before and I didn't know how long this was gonna be, but she can totally attest to.
15:36:19 I know, the auditor's office, we have a recording bill that's just and I think that they have some support with that.
15:36:21 Just, you know, some language and to help streamline a few things. So the, main 2 that I think the auditors have been looking at or the, The house bill 1 2 4 one addressing
harassment of election officials and that's when Quinn can totally talk about and then there's the simplifying voter change of address.
15:36:43 So those are the 2 that that we're here for. Do you know that bill number? I don't.
15:36:51 Okay. I can meet that. Okay. Yeah, I'm not sure what the bill number is for simplified voter change of address.
15:36:58 So we as a small county, we struggle in the sense that. Our elections team has grown from 2 to 3.
15:37:09 So think about it whether you're King County or Jefferson County your legal requirements are all the same.
15:37:12 So anything to simplify the work that we do and streamline it is going to be more beneficial for those smaller counties.
15:37:18 So I think anything along those lines that we're in favor of. But as far as the house bill, 1241.
15:37:26 I personally have had a death threat as an elections official. So this speaks near and dear to my heart.
15:37:36 You know, we had to have a tough decision if this is a position that I wanted to stay in because of that threat.
15:37:39 I had to have it with. Brenda as my boss and with my family. So. Anything that we can do to protect elections officials, we're here to work hard and here, you know, to do this,
you know, for our county for the voters of our county and for the state of Washington.
15:37:57 You know, all 39 counties are very, you know, passionate and producing. You know. Fair and impartial elections and we're just here to do our job more hard and this we didn't
sign up for these threats and I was threatened in 2,022 and there was already legislation that had changed prior to that and still.
15:38:21 Essentially nothing really happened to that individual that threatened me and It was very clear that they had threatened me. It was over in an email and there's been lots of
red flags.
15:38:33 Kind of posted everywhere that we need to be aware that they're anticipating. In person and.
15:38:41 Would you say electronic threats? So whether it's, you know, via social media or email that coming next year that we might see an uptick in that.
15:38:52 So anything that you guys can do to help protect us would be. Do you know what kind of protections does 1241 give more like penalties to those that engage in harassing. Yeah,
they're larger.
15:39:10 Makes it the one that happened in 2021. It's hard because there's a few that have.
15:39:13 I've gone through recently that we've been seeing and I think there was one last year that didn't go through.
15:39:19 So. They all kind of end up mumbling together in our brains. But like I said, anything that can better protect us is.
15:39:27 More beneficial. So I haven't looked at house build well. 1241 but do you know what kinds of things are proposed in it or?
15:39:39 I don't know, my real question is what would you propose that maybe is not in the bill?
15:39:45 I'd have to probably really think about what direction I would, you know, want it to go.
15:39:53 Nice. I'll say Waco just drafted up a priority into a draft letter for this meeting and I can send it to you and have all of these that will be.
15:40:05 Okay. I'm in looking at the summary of 1241 increases the penalty. Thank you.
15:40:20 Harassment to a class C felony and allows election workers who are harassed to apply for the address confidentiality program.
15:40:26 Yeah, because of it, but 2 main call out in the bill. And the kind of minor, the recording bill doesn't need a lot of advocacy or is that, I mean, is that the kind of thing
that's just kind of clerical corrections that I mean is that the kind of thing that's just kind of clerical corrections that's just kind of clerical corrections that everyone's
15:40:48 on. Okay. And I do think that they have some support. Vicky Dalton, the Spoken County auditor was putting it together and, I think she has some support there that, I think they
think it will just.
15:40:53 There's like, yeah, they should go. Okay. Thank you. Good.
15:40:59 Any other questions? Appreciate you sharing the priorities and yeah. I, we're not the only person that has been threatened.
15:41:11 In the county, unfortunately. So it's, it's a real thing now and It's just so unacceptable that we do need some teeth in there.
15:41:18 I'll say the Grant County Assesser. Open a VOE deal and white powder in a got sick has been in yeah and now ancestors office if you're gonna have canned the in their offices.
15:41:37 You guys have some in your office? If it was something. Oh my goodness. We have not been in our office. If you need it. I got some I'll give you. So that way both of us have
it.
15:42:00 3 counties were held up. 3 counties at least that we know of that had letters with white powder in them.
15:42:04 So. Once again, the threat is real elections are experiencing threats. And, and, actually, yes, IS and departments are as well.
15:42:14 And actually they did evacuate Pierce County and King County, I think, during. So yeah.
15:42:23 Alright, well, easy to get plan now. Thank you guys. Alright, Jeff, you're standing up.
15:42:31 Come on up.
15:42:35 Oh, Welcome back, Stacey. Yeah, like relaxed. We got an email from Amanda.
15:42:49 She couldn't be here. She and she thinks that HB 12 all 5 the better alignment of there is.
15:42:57 Of duties in the dependency is going to go through this year. So she would like to see that.
15:43:02 This is County Clerk Seek Legislation better aligning dependency case announcements with the dependency process.
15:43:08 By directing the state to perform the publication of notice. For uncontacted parents of dependency and parental rights termination matters.
15:43:19 In all courts. Yeah, basically want the state to pay for notifications rather than it be kind of partly county state.
15:43:28 And, and this would actually make things cleaner and it would also take some of the cost burden off the counties.
15:43:36 And apparently the AG's office already does it for like half the counties in the state. Yeah, because and they recognize it's silly to have somebody otherwise largely outside
of the system doing it so they've taken it on so this would just formalize so interesting either that relationship or the payment.
15:43:52 I'm not sure which. The one that the assessors have is a high quality statewide aerial imaging program.
15:43:59 We're hoping it gets funded. There isn't a bill, but there's no line item in the governor's budget yet.
15:44:05 Will we get it in 2024? Well, we hope so, but very much at the very least we won't want it for the 2025.
15:44:16 Oregon already has a statewide imaging program. We have a kind of a consortium of several counties that have gone in with the tribes and with the colleges.
15:44:28 To have a modest one done where we get high quality, 6 inch and 12 inch imagery every year.
15:44:38 But the problem now is that we pay 6,000 a year to be part of that. The costs are gonna go dramatically up.
15:44:45 Starting in 2024 if we stay in that and that I mean like 4 to 5 times as much.
15:44:52 Assuming we could keep doing that and what a statewide program would do would be replace this as well as provided for all the states, all the counties in the state.
15:45:04 But even if It gets funded. It'll be a couple of years before it goes into where we'll actually get the the imagery and the product.
15:45:13 So we still need to bridge over the next couple of years and Mark and I are working on trying to be able to do that.
15:45:20 But, but this will eventually, the idea is this will eventually replace it. What is the cost?
15:45:27 The state? Well, it's going to be like it's not cheap. To be statewide, it'll be like, 28 million per biennium.
15:45:34 And if you want the mountains, it's gonna be 36 million. I have six.
15:45:42 Now this off the satellite images basically like super refined. No, it's even better than it's like 6 inch playing flight aerial but it's also like super refined.
15:45:53 I know it's even better than it's like 6 inch playing flight aerial but it's also oblique.
15:45:56 It's like 6 inch, playing flight aerial, but it's also obliques.
15:45:57 So you get, it's not just ortho photo straight down. It's also obliques.
15:45:59 For assessors, the advantage to obliques is that we can do if we can get to where we do desktop assessments where we can use.
15:46:08 The oblique imagery. To re-value property. We can cut the cost to the county of personnel.
15:46:17 I don't know, you know, I mean, basically it'd be through attrition. We wouldn't maybe hire a couple of people down the line.
15:46:21 Several years from now. But, but also we get a higher, higher, higher, vat quality appraisals by doing it that way.
15:46:34 And you could see the benefit of having high high high quality bleak imagery. It's like having street view, but for everything.
15:46:41 Jeff, what currently what's the, interval of like how often or is the photographic record updated every 2 years, like how often are is the photographic record updated every
2 years?
15:46:56 Is that the company that's licensed to WATACH to the state agency. So they're not gonna continue.
15:47:04 We wouldn't still have access to some of the historic streaming data. In other words, it's licensed for us to use.
15:47:10 If the contract goes away, then we lose a license to use some of what we're already using.
15:47:16 Okay. And there's other there's some added things that DNR for example can do high quality analysis, stereoscopic.
15:47:29 Analysis because of the consortium. In other words, we're paying for those flights. They can use those flights for their analysis.
15:47:38 If we, if this contract goes away, then DNR would not be able to do some of the work they do now.
15:47:43 So we're hoping that that eventually gets funded. It's, it's a, it's our priority item.
15:47:50 Is getting that funded. Preferably in 2024. So the 24 is a supplemental year so you're requesting it for one year and you're requesting it for one year and then you'll go back
for a supplemental year.
15:48:02 So you're requesting it for one year and then you'll go back for a Yeah, it would be ongoing.
15:48:05 Okay, you're right. It would be one year. Okay. And then ongoing from then on.
15:48:12 So it'd be biennium after that. So it'd be for half a by any minute, but by end after that.
15:48:16 Jeff, can you like if this happened and it kept getting renewed and everything would it would you Like every 6 years you do use these photos instead of just algorithms to calculate
value or does this mean that you would be doing each property each year?
15:48:31 That's good. Well, right now we're on a 6 year revaluation cycle where the appraisers are inspecting properties once every 6 years.
15:48:38 We're trying to get to where and some counties are doing them and we do desktop appraisals where they can do that work instead of driving.
15:48:46 Out there and having to look at the property, they could do it from the aerials. They're gonna do it.
15:48:51 So you'd still be on a 6 year cycle. You would just instead of having all the you know vehicles going all over the county we would be doing it in the office.
15:49:00 Good they're really bad about getting electric vehicles in the accessory office. Lower the carbon footprint.
15:49:06 Yeah. Now the national trade, the I WAY, all over the carbon footprint. Yeah. Now the national trade, the I WAY, over the carbon footprint.
15:49:11 Yeah, now the national trade, the I double our national trade associated, already allows for that for fee appraisers for private prison. The state doesn't.
15:49:19 So we'd have to have a state law change that would say we could use that instead. But we've had one step that way and we just haven't had fully.
15:49:24 Progressed to that point yet that we can do desktop appraisal. Right now the law costs for physical inspection.
15:49:30 And it doesn't, you know, that includes vacant land. So in some counties like in Clark County, in some counties like in Clark County they hire a helicopter to fly the vacant
land.
15:49:41 So in some counties like in Clark County they hire a helicopter to fly the vacant land so they can say they did a physical inspection.
15:49:43 Obviously, why do you have to do that if you can do it from aerials? Are your privacy concerns?
15:49:51 There were privacy concerns. Yeah. We've been showing folks that are considered particularly it was mainly an urban issue, you know, rural issue not so much.
15:50:01 You know, you also have tree covers and if there's a lot of tree cover you may not be able to see what's in the trees.
15:50:06 But the privacy concerns mainly come in urban areas that with obliques that you might be able to look in windows.
15:50:13 And the aerials don't really allow you to do that. I mean, if you if you look at these obliques, you can't really look and windows.
15:50:21 In theory, the time will come when maybe you could. So there is private concerns that at some point that this is going too far.
15:50:29 But then again, there's also drone, you know, development of drones. So this is still better than drones.
15:50:35 Yes. I think it's just bad. It's, you know, the assessor is the one waiting to charge on these maps all the time, but.
15:50:44 A lot of other departments in the county use that, you know, cup of works, environmental health, development I mean when You and I were back here in 2,000 they had maps with
yellow orange red and you know once they got the lineup of parcel maps and the aerials.
15:51:03 You could discern a lot more that you couldn't from the ground. And this would replace that.
15:51:23 So it's, you know, it sounds like a lot of money. Some of that money is already being spent.
15:51:26 Right.
15:51:28 The other item, that's our request, the other thing you might see is. You know, we talk about whether property tax is regressive or not.
15:51:38 I mean, you've heard me mentioned before that the We got we're throwing kind of a curve on our senior citizen exemption is that we thought it would have a bigger impact in Jefferson
County than it did because the office of financial management redid the median income by county figures and actually lowered ours.
15:51:59 The senior city extension is based on a percent. Of the median income. So what we were forecasted going into this was over 70,000 year as being the median income for a household
in Jefferson County.
15:52:13 And then when they came out with their final figures and May, that dropped down to about 62,000.
15:52:18 So it dropped about 10,000. It was interesting when we were going into the session last. Last January.
15:52:26 We thought our median income was about 20,000 higher than clown. By the time it got done, when they redid the figures, Klow was like 10,000 higher than Jefferson.
15:52:38 Really? And the worst but with gadgets, and they complained about that. They their income just well from what they thought they were going to get it dropped like $30,000 with
no real explanation from.
15:52:52 $30,000 with no real explanation from OFM on why that was done. It dropped like $30,000 with no real explanation from OFM on why that was done.
15:53:07 Well, what that meant for us is what happened over the years, the senior citizen, what to qualify an exemption year income had to be under like it's been 40,000 for since 2015
before that it was like 35,000.
15:53:10 But it would every 5 years. Well, when they changed it back about 8 years ago to be by, Bye, beating income by county, we didn't really get re-qualified.
15:53:23 So it's been quite a while since we've been moved out of that 40, bracket as being, well, in all these years that you've had the cost of living going up.
15:53:30 And CPI and social security increases, we are still a 40,000 income. So also you have all these.
15:53:37 Seniors making more and more money and everybody else too. But they're going up proportionately because of the SSI, you know, the Social Security increases.
15:53:47 But they were still held before. So we're pulling people off the exemption program because now there are income from Social Security putting them over the limit.
15:53:56 And so what the state did is they there were 2 different bills. One said, okay, we won't count the 2023.
15:54:04 Social Security increase for one year, we won't count that so until so we get the rest of this program straightened out.
15:54:13 So for we had a holiday on social security increases for one year. And then, but they also did redo the, the, the senior citizen program, raising to 70,000 or 70% limit of median
income, but then we didn't get bumped up.
15:54:32 We got bumped to 45,000. That was it. Well, what's going to happen is, okay, we added all these seniors onto the program.
15:54:38 With that one year holiday and then 2024 that holiday goes away so in 2,024 will be counting their 2,023 cost of living increase their 2,023 cost of living increase their 2,023
cost of living increase their 2024 cost of living increase.
15:54:51 And we're still in the same boat. We're kind of in before is that we did really up the limit.
15:54:55 So, I hope that something happens this next year to fix that problem. Otherwise, we're going to wind up pulling senior citizens off the program.
15:55:07 That we don't advocate for exactly right now, right? I mean, it's other than just like, but it was not using AMI as the, yeah, I was kind of like, get this built this last year
to get this bill out the door.
15:55:21 We'll fix it next year. But, yeah, that could, that could be a problem.
15:55:28 The other thing we're talking about, of course, as a homestead exemption and the idea with a homestead exemption.
15:55:33 And again, this goes in there is property tax regressive is that you would give of an exemption on residential primary places of residence.
15:55:44 Of around $350,000 off the value. So if we value you at 500,000 You're gonna pay taxes for this for the state school levy based on you know, 150,000.
15:55:59 Instead of 350. I said 500,000. Okay. Is that connected to the existing Homestead?
15:56:04 Exception. No, you can you can't be kicked out for non non-payment of property taxes.
15:56:10 Yeah, what that's different. Yes, the senior sister and disabled, that's different. But here, no, no, I mean, it's there's no In other words, everyone would qualify who applies,
who has a place of residence, it doesn't matter your income, it doesn't matter who you are, you know, it's just you would apply and then you get it on
15:56:34 your principal place of residence. What that does, it causes a shift because the state schools are still going to get the same amount of money.
15:56:40 So what happens is commercial picks up the difference, vacant land picks up the difference. So they would actually end up the levy rate would go up a little bit and they'd wind
up paying that amount of money because the your principal place of residence you're getting that break.
15:56:55 And second homes. Empty homes. Would would pay would not get the break. Right.
15:57:00 I mean, it is a way of kind of saying if you actually living there. Right, and you know, you go with that fair to commercial.
15:57:06 Well, the the thing is in commercial you have people work there and they're all getting it right and the owner of the business is going to get it on their on their residence
so you know it kind of even that plus it's the state school levy which is statewide so the shift isn't to commercial so much in our county is shifts to commercial the i 5 corridor There's
the highest value.
15:57:32 So they wind up paying. More and residential property owners would pay less. So if there are, you know, the mechanics of that are still trying to be figured out, it is indeed
the intent as bill is indeed to address regressivity.
15:57:48 And it the wealth tax was going to help. Cover that, yeah, but it's hard to say what will happen.
15:57:57 But that should move forward. Maybe pass maybe not, but it'll be worked out in 2024 and maybe if it doesn't pass 2024 something will come out of 2,025 something will come out
of 2,025 like 18 states already have a homestead exemption something similar so we should be able to get something .
15:58:15 Bill for that already There was a bill on it, but it didn't. I think it was a maybe it was a Noah frame, but I was one of the ones that.
15:58:23 But the legislators have shifted around and so it didn't go anywhere. So are there Bill Stacy that you are issues that you're tracking?
15:58:37 There are some that the treasurers are working on independently that aren't Waco priority bills.
15:58:46 One of them would be asking to change. The threshold from when property taxes are doing fully cheer so it's $50 if you if your tax bill is $50 or less then you have to pay the
full tax amount for the full year in April.
15:59:05 And the proposal is to up that to a hundred $50. The amount hasn't changed in decades and decades when I look at This is not scientific, but when I look at a lot of the ones
that pay in 2 batches, a lot of forestry.
15:59:25 They've got a lot of parcels that, you know, they might be sending in payments for.
15:59:29 30 parcels and a bunch of them are split in 2 because it's $60 and they're doing 2 of 30.
15:59:38 There is concern for people in, you know, mobile homes or other things but I don't know.
15:59:48 You know, the idea is that we're processing payments less for a lot of these smaller ones or if people have multiple parcels.
15:59:56 We're getting it up front. So it's kind of to reduce workload and also just, update that a bit.
16:00:05 And then the other one.
16:00:11 I don't know. The other one I won't go into because it's not. I don't wanna ask you to get behind it.
16:00:22 And then on deck, I've brought this up before. I don't know that it's gonna go anywhere this year, but the other was.
16:00:30 We have a maximum of $50 as an investment fee for the districts and our funds that we invest. Per investment maturity and when we book it.
16:00:47 So it's been $50 since 70 let's see 71 or I have the numbers.
16:00:57 31. 1971. That's when I was born. Yeah.
16:01:02 So, you know, well, rates were in the you know. 2 to 15 basis points. Didn't really make a difference, but The larger counties don't care about this because they run a pool.
16:01:19 They determine how much it costs to run the pool and then people just pay the fee it costs to run it.
16:01:25 We do not have a formal pool. And we're dictated by that statute that it's $50 per investment per time we book it and so we do have it just would not really help the treasurer's
office, but it would help the general fund to address a lot of the work we do.
16:01:50 Which it's a big deal managing that and allocating each. Month and and managing their ends and outs of the LGIP.
16:02:00 Is there a proposed fix or is there? The the proposed fix was also a hundred $50 yeah would be the max so I didn't make this really clear the fee is 5% or up to the $50 right
now so it would still be a capped at a hundred $50 but it would be 5%.
16:02:30 Is there a bill for that one? There's not. That's something that the treasurers are putting forward.
16:02:37 So for Washington Association of County Officials. We vote on priority bills in it was the end of September.
16:02:47 And so I think this is something that is, there They're shopping for people to. Sponsor them.
16:02:55 So, those are 2 that I feel. Make business sense and are not too onerous.
16:03:02 For everyone. Some of the other ones I'm not real charged about so we'll see how they go and how much traction they get.
16:03:13 And so Kate, how in the past have you collaborated or coordinated with like Waco? And legislative priority says Wasat coordinate with big?
16:03:23 Okay. Yeah, but I'm often surprised that like the Waco seldom pulls in commissioners like to testify on a bill like I you know and it's because there's you know very qualified.
16:03:35 Assessors and treasurers to testify to but it just seems like a stronger case to have you know the whole county family saying like This is taking positions, but they seldom
do.
16:03:50 Yeah, I thought there was in part of the process where Waco and Wasack would decide where they wanted to hop on each other's bills, but that tends to be outside of my.
16:04:02 Hands on approach. So I don't know. I think also it just is my sense is things are always going so fast and furious that you're just really jumping up and testifying when they
say.
16:04:16 4Â h beforehand, please be there and so it's really a scramble. I' we have the same thing from Waco that you mentioned in WASAC is we've had it where King County will.
16:04:29 Promote a progressive bill that's good for King County. And Waco will not support it.
16:04:37 Waco takes a different position because you know you keep there's what works in King County with their staffing and then there's what can work elsewhere.
16:04:46 Yeah. That doesn't happen often but every now and then King County will really push a bill that they see is very good for King County.
16:04:53 That we're going, we can't administer this without, you know, more money to do it.
16:05:01 As wait, because the subsidiary of Wasack? I should know this now. Are you having the same issues where the larger counties are bulking a membership or anything like that?
16:05:12 We've been talking about that, but. Jeff shared. What's going on with WASAC.
16:05:22 And so I pulled up the information for Waco. So WASAC is only commissioners and County administrators and that area and then Waco is all of the affiliates.
16:05:34 And so treasurer auditor, assessor. Coroner prosecuting attorney, sheriff. What else?
16:05:41 Did I miss anything? Okay. And so we do have our fee schedules. But in Waco the cap for King County is 25% of all of it where I think there was 50% for Lossack and.
16:06:04 So I was very intrigued by it to see if we would have the same issues, but we do have the same no proxy for voting.
16:06:14 And But we do have an electronic voting means. So when we do have our annual conference and choose to have.
16:06:24 Electronic voting if someone wasn't there they could vote. You know, in the time frame, but.
16:06:30 No, we are sensitive to that and we try to make sure they, see the value, but I mean, I think it might have been.
16:06:40 I don't know, 7 or so years ago I was hearing quite a bit like prosecuting attorneys.
16:06:47 We're saying they shouldn't, you know, didn't really care for Waco and so we keep trying to show, you know, being on the executive board really trying to show the value of it
and.
16:06:57 I absolutely see the value in it that if we didn't have that organization, we really would be at you know.
16:07:07 It would just be Wasack and it decides everything and we wouldn't have the. The expertise in our areas.
16:07:15 Represented just because there's too much to do. Okay. I think a lot depends on the personality of the elected officials in King County.
16:07:25 King County has their own lobbyists. So what happens when and the assessor for King County has been very good about understanding the situation.
16:07:34 So he does not like it when Waco testifies against the bill. He's pushing. Because they're paying, 25%.
16:07:45 But he understand we usually try to find come to terms with it that you make it a King County only bill or in most cases it's not something we're opposing, come to terms with
it that make it a King County only bill or in most cases it's not something we're opposing we' supported.
16:07:56 We're not gonna come out one way or the other. That gives King County the green light to go ahead and push it with their lobbyists.
16:08:01 So it's worked out so far. But again, there is some.
16:08:09 One question I would have for you, is as you're going through this, are there any things that we can provide information for or support on them where we you know overlap so
you know just I appreciate being invited to attend and discuss this in session with all 3 of you and my colleagues and having it a little bit more front loaded than, hey, this is happening
today.
16:08:43 Although the during session it seems like that does happen where I say oh I just heard about this bill at LSC can you give me your perspective on it and I hope you're okay with
that.
16:08:55 Yeah. Oh, things change quickly and yeah, it's the same for us and so you know we do what we can and yeah it's the same for us and so you know we do what we can and you don't
get anything if you don't ask.
16:09:05 Yes. Great. Alright, well, yep, go ahead, Jeff. Well, the items that Kate provided here, or they're provided here, or they're provided here.
16:09:18 You know, they're already, items in here that we would have any issue with. And, some compliment what we're trying to do, you know, like, to see there, talk about, meeting income
and that, Good.
16:09:33 Concerned that the MI does not reflect true cost of living on the Olympic Peninsula.
16:09:38 You know, I mean, I agree with that. So some of these, some of these I would support even if.
16:09:44 Yeah, the Assess Association because it's not in their. Ball, or would not, they wouldn't oppose it.
16:09:52 Yeah. I mean, I wonder about the next steps for us, you know, if we kind of refined this list down, you know, if we kind of refined this list down into a, you know, a page or
2.
16:10:00 After we process this from our colleagues. And then redistribute it out to get feedback again. I mean, is that what do you have a path that in mind? I don't.
16:10:13 I mean, I think we should decide how, you know, how much of an agenda we want to have or if we want to, you know.
16:10:18 Like let the wake of ones kind of be the priorities of our colleagues and then they come to us if they want.
16:10:25 It's interesting we haven't even talked about with softphone though. So she raised her head earlier?
16:10:35 Yeah, I think both Josh. Yeah. Why don't we just continue getting input and we'll come back to what to do with it after that.
16:10:42 Hello, Apple.
16:10:45 Thank you.
16:10:49 Where is
16:10:43 Hey everybody, nice to see you. I would be there, but run in between lots of meetings. So, In here, the others go, this is relatively new for that for me.
16:10:55 I don't know that I was able to come last year. So and I'm really getting a legislative one going on here for myself as a as a leader.
16:11:04 And Wisafo as you mentioned the Washington State local public health officials organization really does help us.
16:11:13 Navigate, set, and focus on priorities legislatively. So, I'm just gonna share with you a quick list of items that I think are mainly policy shifts.
16:11:26 That we're interested in watching monitoring and prioritizing. Some of them are not being prioritized right now, so I'll skip those, but.
16:11:35 What I don't have is bill numbers, so I'm realizing that I'm coming up short here.
16:11:39 I apologize. I was not able to cram that in. Ahead of this meeting. But I think it's good to just get a lay of the land of the things that are being prioritized by Wasafo and
therefore, local health departments.
16:11:52 So I'll start with one that you're pretty familiar with and we've talked about it for health last week.
16:11:58 Hi, priority, yes, is, septic capacity assessment. And this is a carry over from the 2023 session, but it wasn't funded.
16:12:08 So that's obviously something we're going to be looking at quite closely and hoping that will get.
16:12:15 That will get passed. It looks like that Wasafel has asked the governor and the legislature to include a $250,000.
16:12:27 Amount to conduct a one time study supporting the
16:12:31 Apple that has been included in the governor's budget.
16:12:33 Good. Okay, so this is what I'm looking at. You're right, that was discussed last Thursday.
16:12:42 In any case, along with that as a major priority is also on the state board of health school rule budget proposal, which, Fisher being shared at our board health last week and
we've talked about it.
16:12:55 In the past, but we're looking at how several local health jurisdictions have already started to do, school environmental health programs.
16:13:07 And the rules need to be updated. So we're focusing on, you know, the administration of sort of science driven uniform guidance and standards for how these programs get started
and then youized in the schools and in the counties.
16:13:23 And the proviso has. Kate, help me with this. This proviso was enacted in 20 has it been closed since 2017.
16:13:36 2,009. Even further back.
16:13:37 Yes, thank you. So we're opening that back up in order to. To look at those rules and get them updated.
16:13:50 In other aspects, I wanted to prioritize or share prioritization. There's some policy change we're looking at with regard to child fatality.
16:13:58 Review modernization.
16:14:02 And that has to do with RCW, 70.0 5.1 7. And they're proposing some language change and updating some of the contents so that it's more.
16:14:14 In alignment with, sort of the shifting landscape of what child vitality are actually encompassing things like overdose and suicide.
16:14:26 So these are really important changes that are we're looking at getting made in order to have that system be modernized so that it encompasses and tracks data that's more relevant
to deaths that are occurring now.
16:14:40 Can I ask you a question about that, Apple?
16:14:40 Okay. Go ahead, I'll do my best.
16:14:43 I mean, it's really, I guess it prompts in me other data that doesn't seem to be collected.
16:14:49 Very much about maternity and, you know, not fatalities, infant mortality as well as, you know, maternal mortality.
16:14:59 And I'm just wondering if there's ever. Are there any efforts to try to get more data about the?
16:15:05 That part of the health care system.
16:15:11 Oh, good.
16:15:08 There is and that's another priority in this listing from a cell phone. Is access, which is something that is critically and chronically difficult for us to get access to.
16:15:21 Larger scale data statewide and that particular priority is called
16:15:29 Segregation. The segregation of data is that the same.
16:15:33 Okay. It's data access, increasing local health jurisdictions access to statewide health related data and it's not being prioritized right now in this particular iteration,
but it is a common conception that we should have access to this, but it's gets very complicated in terms of how data is shared with regard to the child fatality review modernization.
16:15:58 It seems like they're wanting to add language from other rules in the law. It says that DOH.
16:16:07 Has things they can do in order to help. Modernize the system and share data, but it's not.
16:16:14 It's not exactly the case. It's really, available at the federal and private levels.
16:16:21 And so we're trying to change the language so that DOH, Department of Health, that the statewide level has more access so that we can then glean and contribute more information.
16:16:29 That's helpful.
16:16:32 And so like I've talked to Barb Jones about this and the challenges in getting data where even getting our own data, it's like a, you know, a bureaucrat, a series of bureaucratic
hurdles to get our own data back.
16:16:47 Anonymized. I'm not sure what they or maybe just because we submit it, but is that what we're talking about here.
16:16:52 That is in part yes. I don't know so specifically about the child death review or the child fatality review modernization that exactly pinpoints that.
16:17:04 But I do know that in data access arena. Even getting, data sharing agreements with the State Department of Health are very cumbersome, very lengthy and take a long time to
get approved.
16:17:18 You all have seen those DSAs come through for signature multiple times and we really are. You know, we are modernizing our entire public health communication vehicle in terms
of how people can access what it is that we're learning about the data.
16:17:33 On various issues and having it be so cumbersome on the back end in order to find, not only aggregate data, but raw data to sort of work with under the auspices of the new sort
of.
16:17:47 Approach we have and the staff required for epidemiology. And, of all of our assessments is it's It's a lot of work.
16:17:55 I think it could be streamlined. I think the more the more entities that are accessing data, the more complicated it gets in terms of permissions and access.
16:18:06 About hospitals, without health departments and added for an item, right? So hopefully. At least in this case, with regard to child fatality.
16:18:17 There will be some clarity with. Adding new or adjusting the current language. In the policy or in the RCW.
16:18:27 Otherwise. There is a priority around. Vaccine definition updates to include the RSV.
16:18:37 Vaccine Nurse. So that's included. We're broadening, to broaden the statutory language of the word vaccine to ensure coverage for this RSV vaccine.
16:18:52 It isn't currently and so that's cutting off some of the priority. Funding to purchase and allocate this RSV vaccine out to the public and the high priority populations that
really need it.
16:19:05 And that's needing to happen yesterday. As you well know, this is, this is on the landscape currently in this, in this season and, changing.
16:19:18 Some of that. Definition to broaden it. Will help us disseminate that vaccine more more broadly.
16:19:27 The issue really is that the RSV, I'm sorry, I've used the wrong word, the RSV, it's not prepared from kill or attenuated living microorganisms.
16:19:41 So it falls outside this current statutory definition of what a vaccine is and that's what they're going to be working on us.
16:19:48 Changing the the definition to include it.
16:19:52 Otherwise, let's see. Another priority is, in the realm of syphilis treatment, as you probably are aware.
16:20:02 We're trying to do a little more. Promotion and advertising around. Detecting syphilis and then also, creating networks that help provide treatment to those who need it.
16:20:16 In this case, One of the priorities is. To allow medical assistance. With telehealth access to a supervising clinician provide this I in injection intramuscular injection for
the syphilis.
16:20:33 Treatment in the field. And that's not been allowed in the past. So they want to make sure that MAs can provide this shot to folks outside the, environment.
16:20:45 And that way disseminating it to folks who are really in need who are more disenfranchised or.
16:20:51 Living outside or just sort of the wide state of folks who might be experiencing higher, higher rates of syphilis can have access to it.
16:21:01 Okay.
16:21:00 So can I just ask a question, process question here? This is a lot of priorities and I'm you you called this agenda item is your interest in getting all the priorities and then
refining the list, getting that, that down to a county, legislative agenda.
16:21:19 I'm trying to figure out. What the end goal is. Well, I think, I think, you know, various or associations will have their exhaustive priorities, which, you know, is way more
than we could take on for our efforts.
16:21:37 So, I think getting to, you know, to our priorities based on what we think are the most pressing needs affecting Jefferson County is is probably the end goal.
16:21:49 It is helpful to hear the association's prayers to situational awareness. Okay, I'm aware we're gonna run out of time because the courthouse closes.
16:21:58 Yeah, we've got 9Â min.
16:22:05 Yeah, I think. I have one more about standing orders for, you know, health officers and all so another one about micro enterprise home kitchens.
16:22:17 But that exhausts the list that is current priority list and it's not so, would not say this is an exhaustive priorities list.
16:22:27 It's the truncated version and it's already long. So, you know, I'm learning about this process, of the how the county wants to approach legislative issues.
16:22:54 So, I'm open to whatever you all decide in terms of what the end Thank you.
16:22:54 Yeah, this is the first step and you know, maybe it means that public health ask commissioners to come and testify for something more.
16:22:57 You know that Heidi will be there for the septic one already. So some of these will end up on our priority list.
16:23:02 I think too. So I think it's really, really helpful. Okay. Josh, I'm sorry we did not leave you a lot of time, but do you want to go into some planning priorities for this legislative
session?
16:23:15 Session.
16:23:19 Sure, thank you. Do you think it might be worth it if you want to talk about community planning more broadly that we schedule some more time in the not too distant future so
that we can talk about.
16:23:32 Getting ready for the session. I fully admit that I have not had a lot of time to think about the session.
16:23:38 And I actually need to think about the last session or 2 first because there are things that were passed in the last couple sessions that.
16:23:47 We need to start thinking about implementing and I know you got a an education on that. Last week when we had the presentation from the managing director of Growth Management
Services at the ICG meeting.
16:23:57 So that said though, I did, I did put in the chat here. If you're interested, that's a it takes you right to the PDF of the Washington chapter of the American Planning Association
and the Legislative Committee.
16:24:10 Priorities for the 2024 session if you're interested because it is a fairly broad spectrum of planning related things.
16:24:18 I did also attend, virtually a part of the meeting that some of you attended last week, accounting leaders conference.
16:24:26 Just the part that the, the annual business meeting of the Washington State Association of County and Regional Planning Directors of which I'm now a member.
16:24:36 So. That was interesting. We met with a couple legislators and talked about some pretty specific things, including Lammered legislation that I know that this particular agenda
request had a blurb about that's limited areas of more intensive rural development.
16:24:50 So that's a very quick opening spiel. If you have any specific questions you want to do in the last 5Â min, happy to talk about that or again we can plan on talking more broadly
and more completely.
16:25:06 Questions? I'm zooming through the document. I, you know, the equity lens for GMA goals is something that seems like it really dovetails with rural affairs and you know situations
I mean obviously that's where I you know coming from a rural county see a lot of the equity issues of course we don't have some of the other equity issues that other planning departments
probably have to deal with but Do you have any
16:25:30 sense of? What they're talking, with the planning associations talking about when they say equity issues.
16:25:02 Good question. I have a feeling that it's related to. Let that's already passed and it might be considered again in terms of requirements when we do our 10 year periodic update,
which we're on the hook for for the for mid 2025.
16:25:59 But I think you're right, Commissioner Brotherton, that in general there's the equity lens.
16:26:05 Closely associated with the environmental justice lens and so forth. And we have perhaps a different set of interests, in addition to those, but more more acutely aware of just
differences in.
16:26:21 Income levels and standards of living for different members of our community as you've talked about today at length and and many other times.
16:26:30 So. I do think that it's a lens with which we should take another look at our complaint for next time and also just survey the tools that we have.
16:26:38 To try to with at least within the growth arrangement and community planning framework to employ to try to solve various problems.
16:26:46 Of course, you're You're the board is looking at a lot of different set of tools for a lot of broader set of problems, but just from the community planning lens, which in and
of itself is pretty comprehensive.
16:26:55 I hence the name comprehensive plan. We have some things we can do, but we don't have as many tools for example as incorporated areas to in terms of some of the other housing
related issues and solutions but now that we have the UGA and CORE HADLA coming online that does give us another lens and as I mentioned to you, I believe I mentioned last week that
we are Coming soon with
16:27:17 another small grant for middle housing that we want to incorporated as part of our re exploration of our urban regulations as part of the port.
16:27:26 And so that's a, you know, another. Avenue at least make sure that our codes for when that sewer comes online and in 2,020.
16:27:34 5 as scheduled that we're set up for success for different kinds of housing to try to meet the various needs that we have.
16:27:41 I will say, Greg, I think the one of the key issues driving this priority is displacement, gentrification and displacement, which, you know.
16:27:52 Well, our people absolutely suffer by any different. Yes, exactly. Yeah. Interesting. Okay.
16:27:59 Yeah, I was looking at common numbers. You know that like hilltop is like 95% white now.
16:28:06 It's like a huge, it's like one of the most gentrified neighborhoods in the country. Wow.
16:28:11 Yeah, because it was it was affordable compared to Seattle. So you had displacement and then those people got pushed elsewhere.
16:28:20 So you had displacement and then those people got pushed elsewhere. There were displacement. Downstream. And then those people get pushed elsewhere. There a displacement. Yeah.
Downstream. Kick the dog.
16:28:22 Geez. Great. Well, we are about out of time. We have to end at 4 30.
16:28:26 I don't know. Kate, do you want to kind of think about how we can take this and, and, you know, obviously this is gonna be a continuing conversation.
16:28:35 And what's the next step? Yeah, and we didn't get to the kind of stuff that falls more into our purview too, you know, some of these I think we could certainly adopt but you
know things like do we wanna really try and define a ask for Brennan or not. Where's my list?
16:28:50 The Wrap Act, the producer responsibility recycling. I think that's a big one that's going to need support from counties like ours.
16:28:59 So it would be nice to have a conversation about some of those topics too, but we, you know, like I said, I don't think there's a big rush.
16:29:07 I don't think we're going to be leading any important initiatives, but we the Britain one in particular, I think that's probably our most specific ask, otherwise we would be
supporting other efforts.
16:29:18 So. We should think about if we want to. To do a brand and ask. Okay.
16:29:24 Great. Yeah, more on that soon. Okay, well, I guess we'll give everyone a minute back in their day and, thank you.
16:29:36 Thanks a lot for, having the conversation with us and we'll be in touch about how we can work together.
16:29:42 Thanks, Apple. Thanks, Josh.
16:29:45 Okay, well with that we are out of time today. So I think come up with anything burning.
10:35:17 From Greg Brotherton To All Panelists:
drew, we're running a minute or two late.
13:43:15 From Chambers To Mark McCauley(Privately):
Should they hold off on making decision until tomorrow night's special meeting, where they will meet with people against the pool?
13:44:20 From Mark McCauley To Chambers(Privately):
That's a question for Greg.
13:44:58 From Mark McCauley To Chambers(Privately):
I think in order to get the independent financial review we have to signal our support.
13:45:26 From Chambers To Mark McCauley(Privately):
Ok thank you
14:38:49 From Chambers To Herb Cook and All Panelists:
Hi Herb, you can write your comment here
14:43:38 From Wendy Bart To Chambers(Privately):
I can hear him.
14:43:41 From Keith Bosley To All Panelists:
WE can hear him
14:43:44 From Stacie Prada, Treasurer To All Panelists:
I can hear him
14:44:59 From Chambers To Everyone:
Thank you for joining the meeting. If you wish to provide public comments to the Commissioners, you can do so by emailing: jeffbocc@co.jefferson.wa.us
14:49:43 From Herb Cook To All Panelists:
To reiterate something Wendy Bart said: Olymnpic Peninsula YMCA is a 501(c)(3) Nonprofit. Contributions to the Y are welcome and fully tax deductible.
15:33:36 From Chambers To Everyone:
For County employees in the attendee list, please raise your hand if you wish to provide comments on the Legislative Update, and I will bring you over as a panelist. Thank you - Carolyn
16:23:17 From Josh Peters, DCD To All Panelists:
https://apawa.memberclicks.net/assets/docs/2024/Legislative_Committee/APA-WA%202024%20Legislative%20Priorities%20Approved.pdf