HomeMy WebLinkAboutchat09:07:10 From Heidi Eisenhour, Jefferson County to Hosts and panelists : for those people on line - we are dealing with some tech issues. Stand by.
09:07:29 From Greg Brotherton to Hosts and panelists : on the laptop make sure the owl is the speaker and microphone
09:07:36 From Greg Brotherton to Hosts and panelists : in zoom
09:18:10 From Chambers to Mark McCauley(Direct Message) : Do you want to sit where Greg sits? Because of the mic issue
09:26:44 From Chambers to Greg Brotherton(Direct Message) : Julia raised her hand, but I think Heidi closed public comment
09:31:57 From Mark McCauley to Chambers(Direct Message) : Was public comment closed?
10:10:41 From Chambers to Hosts and panelists : PFD Discussion: 12/4/23 at 2:30 p.m.
10:10:50 From Greg Brotherton to Chambers(Direct Message) : copy
10:26:17 From Chambers to Mark McCauley(Direct Message) : Kees Kolff will need a microphone to call the BOH meeting to order
10:28:09 From Chambers to Greg Brotherton(Direct Message) : Reminder BOH will need to call their meeting to order after you open the Hearing
10:33:14 From Chambers to Greg Brotherton(Direct Message) : Can you bring over new BOH members in the attendee list if you see them?
10:36:49 From Chambers to Apple Martine, Jefferson County Public Health, WA(Direct Message) : Hi Apple - do you see others in the attendee list that should be brought over? Thank
you - Carolyn
10:38:35 From Chambers to Heidi Eisenhour, Jefferson County(Direct Message) : No written hearing testimony received
10:38:49 From Chambers to Greg Brotherton(Direct Message) : No written hearing testimony received.
10:39:43 From Chambers to Glenn Gilbert(Direct Message) : Hi Glenn - can you tell me who is on BOH that is present today?
10:43:19 From Ken Hugoniot to Hosts and panelists : No comments
10:45:05 From Apple Martine, Jefferson County Public Health, WA to Chambers(Direct Message) : No I believe we are all here unless Alisa Hasbrouck is there..
10:45:51 From Chambers to Apple Martine, Jefferson County Public Health, WA(Direct Message) : Ok, she's a panelist now :)
10:46:32 From Chambers to Apple Martine, Jefferson County Public Health, WA(Direct Message) : Can you also please tell me which BOH members are in the audience/Panelists? I asked
Glenn, but he didn't get back to me yet
10:49:09 From Glenn Gilbert to Chambers(Direct Message) : Commissioners, Libby Wennstrom, Amanda Grace, Kees Kolff
10:50:04 From Chambers to Apple Martine, Jefferson County Public Health, WA(Direct Message) : never mind!
10:51:23 From Apple Martine, Jefferson County Public Health, WA to Chambers(Direct Message) : Libby Wenstrom - City Council rep; Kees Kolff, BOH Chair and Hospital rep; Amanda
Grace, Other Community Stakeholder rep; and the 3 commissioners.
11:09:37 From Chambers to Greg Brotherton(Direct Message) : Will you be available to finalize HFB agenda today, or should I ask Amy?
11:09:55 From Greg Brotherton to Chambers(Direct Message) : Did you send a draft?
11:10:02 From Greg Brotherton to Chambers(Direct Message) : I can.
09:04:00 I'm gonna start recording on the zoom.
09:04:01 Okay. Hey, Heidi, I see we have. In the room, would you mind sharing?
09:04:07 It's kinda hard to chair remotely if there's, if there's hybrid. I think you did the agenda.
09:04:11 Yeah, I just we're not hearing you. We're only hearing you through Carolyn's computer, so.
09:05:08 All seems locked up again. Oh no, there it is.
09:05:14 Carolyn's computer is present.
09:05:18 Dear.
09:05:40 Can you hear?
09:05:43 Yeah, can you hear that? Don't worry, we can be I'm patient. You know, thanks to the people in the room for their patience and online as well.
09:06:01 Thank you.
09:06:23 Can you put in a chat? We're having tech issues.
09:06:28 Greg.
09:06:28 Right.
09:06:31 Right, mute Heidi.
09:06:33 Okay.
09:06:41 Okay, Craig, can you hear me?
09:06:44 I can hear you.
09:06:45 Okay. Can't hear you now.
09:06:49 Yeah. I can hear you.
09:06:51 I've moved things to the laptop and made that the post Now and I'm gonna record on this laptop.
09:07:01 And I put the owl into that.
09:07:04 Okay.
09:07:06 Right, I probably I need to hear you though.
09:07:10 Yeah, so what's the? You should on your
09:07:19 Yeah.
09:07:26 We had an upgrade, on Wednesday for all. Computers on this.
09:07:53 Okay, change the settings. Can I, can I hear you, Craig?
09:07:56 I don't know, can you hear me now? Alright.
09:07:58 Yes. Alright, so. I have to record and it says any permission from the host which is myself so I'm trying to figure that out.
09:08:08 Okay. Okay. Okay. And then once I get that, I want to make sure I report since AVS not working.
09:08:16 Okay.
09:08:19 Okay. Yeah, we're. Don't have full control, but we'll try that.
09:08:32 Yeah.
09:08:35 Okay.
09:08:39 Okay. It'll be easier to make sure that in person one.
09:08:46 Okay, I believe.
09:08:52 Looks like it's recording. My side, it says recording.
09:08:57 Okay.
09:08:55 We're recording on 2 computers, hopefully. So thank you. Proceed.
09:09:00 Alright. Heidi, do you mind?
09:09:04 You know, I will call this November. 27 of the meeting. And, and, and, the, the, the, the, commission is to order.
09:09:12 Happy day after alone. Rest and we're gonna start as we always do with public products.
09:09:26 So there are 2 folks in the room with us today. Is there anyone? Imagine, and yes, everybody, okay.
09:09:35 Don't let in the front. Yeah. Come up to the microphone and you have 3Â min. Right on.
09:09:47 Hi, Lithium in Port Thompson. I. And it's the intercom.
09:10:00 I'm about to war in Gaza and after the meeting that contacted so Right. It's that would be a chance that's, that, and so he told it, you know, there would be a good chance that
would be possible.
09:10:25 So I'm here. And again, too. To ask you to.
09:10:33 To respond to the call from Palestinians in And that's, I know, but it's, they are off alone.
09:10:44 I'm a, a majority of Americans wanted to peace fire. If you have a large majority, well, they're not sure.
09:10:54 So we ask you then again that you join us and call. Old push. To urgently, Thank you, I think that's a, like, the cessation of all this, and, And I should ask, you know, You
know, it's like 2,005 2,006 5 or 0.
09:11:23 Let's check the chef. And I also Thank you. Thank you. Yeah.
09:11:42 So I've been living in 4,000 for 23 years and before that I live for 16 years in Israel and this and all coincidence I'm from originally from home.
09:11:51 This is me and it's all from the same town and it's not, It should be a very uncontroversial statement for anybody to sign on anybody.
09:12:20 Slight interest in I'm certainly endorsed that I think that our letter to senators has gone a little bit farther than is basically what's Henry just read.
09:12:31 That there is a long those lines. And it wouldn't be too much, I would ask you to endorse that too.
09:12:38 And then we will probably be having to give you a copy of that. So basically, I think the minimum would be that you could jointly sign the statement that Greg also said that
we need to, That would be the minimum, but if you could do more in order to make sure that.
09:13:02 This is. Listed as one of the companies that or one of the government entities that does not. Indoors.
09:13:14 I mean, the direction that our current administration is taking, And it's a democratic administration, but most of democratic basis is against what's happening and it's coming
for the, administration, but most of the democratic basis is against what is 7 and it's calling for the C.
09:13:33 5. Family. Corbyn, is 4, 58% of. So I or both.
09:13:42 If you could sign either or both.
09:13:47 Okay. Thank you for bearing me down. It's, an important issue that has not been, to this commission.
09:13:57 It's whether it's, would require the county to guarantee it's 20 million dollars a day.
09:14:02 There is an answer to that question. From May, 1920 22. Cool. If BFD is more volatile.
09:14:14 Based on the economy and requires a source to backstop again many given years when enough money is not raised.
09:14:21 Again on July 5, 2023. Cool. Sales tax is very, that's not, yeah, you would be funded.
09:14:30 And would need to be certain there is a backstop in place in case of a per se. This assumption that the county would guarantee the debt that we actually spent into the program
that's being used currently.
09:14:44 I have to show this viability. It uses SKI. Heightset on November thirteenth, It is a general obligation bond.
09:14:52 Right. If the sales tax, would be It's the only way in general. It's a property tax rate or.
09:15:04 Sound government, which said both paid for credit. Which is backed up by property tech, 11 possibility behind the barn.
09:15:15 For County Commission. Whether to create the update. It might want to answer the question, but it would be willing to backside.
09:15:25 Yeah, the brand new create creature, no history, no, nothing. It's gonna get a lousy bond rate.
09:15:32 For revenue bar, you know, that would be a high, So with County Commission, Okay, and there's another consequence of that is, 20 million dollars.
09:15:46 Oh, your own one. Question I want to bring to you and it's not been pretty simple.
09:15:53 You have an answer. Let me see. I think you very much. Yeah, once again.
09:16:04 Yeah.
09:16:01 Hey, Heidi, can I interrupt for 1Â s? I'm just, the audio is pretty garbled here.
09:16:09 I assume that we're using just the owl camera as the audio right now. Is that correct?
09:16:14 That's true.
09:16:15 So there's no way to get the AV capture into that with our current setup, right?
09:16:20 So just. I guess. I don't know, proximity to the owl camera is all that's important actually right now.
09:16:28 I think we can hear Heidi and Kate pretty well. But, for the public, I don't know, maybe.
09:16:34 If it's accessible to move just a little bit closer for the public comment, I think it would.
09:16:39 Yeah, I'd be better.
09:16:41 Yeah, thank you. We have one person online. I'll bring them over. And we still have one.
09:16:50 Okay.
09:16:52 So let's do Stephen first and then. For online desk. Sorry,
09:17:09 Yeah, hi. Oh look, I came up with something really interesting in my reading last night.
09:17:16 I just wanted to share with you all. Basically I came across Well, for, keep up filters, you know, they're really effective for, so people does kind of assume that they would
also do a good job to reduce risks of COVID.
09:17:32 But, you know, nobody really knew for sure. And, you know. Procedures, and Journal just published this, this study about it and as they say, Introduction, providing such filters
in public utilities, prompts a significant financial investment. Plus requires clear evidence.
09:17:49 So that they They kind of like took kindergarten, some of which had the filters others didn't and the, and they want to see how the, filters were. And so, you know, were they
very effective?
09:18:04 Were they slightly effective or did they have like no effect as the masks? Not have in similar type studies.
09:18:10 So anyway. There result for the following, they had a huge effect, but the huge impact was the opposite of what I was expecting.
09:18:19 And happened was that it literally doubled the amount of COVID. There are 186, cases.
09:18:31 And, 95, 372 and the people once. So it's like, you know, how can this be?
09:18:37 I mean, like, who knows, you know, I mean, there's a lot of possibilities.
09:18:38 But this is a perfect example of something that we just assume would work. And yet it doesn't, you don't really know until you actually get the testing.
09:18:49 You know the masks, you have randomized controlled studies that show that they really didn't have any effect.
09:18:54 You wouldn't expect that, but that was what the evidence showed. And I always assert that, you know, our health department.
09:19:00 Officer despite this clear evidence about all that is still you know, randomized, files shouldn't be looked at or shouldn't be ruling.
09:19:10 It would be unethical to have them and so as a result. We've got, yeah, I visited, there a couple of times he was getting a friend and.
09:19:18 And also in their routine wellness exam and all the employees. We're forced to have masks.
09:19:24 I don't know if that's still policy or not, but I was asking them, they were saying that was because they were short staffed and.
09:19:32 If anybody got over that could knock out the entire department so they wanted to be extra careful but If they're not effective, you know, they might as well be wearing, you
know, breaking for the cold rays or rabbit splits or something and there's reverse effects of these things.
09:19:46 The mass. But anyway, I know one word to say, but I'm running out of time.
09:19:53 The mass largely redirect the air direction. The first healthcare thing in which, office, was sitting right in front of me.
09:20:02 And I just see right through the back of the mask toward the back side of the front of, you know, the masks.
09:20:10 And so as she's breathing, she says prayers just being redirected towards me. It's not, doing what we're hoping.
09:20:17 Anyway, thank you very much. And, And. Here's the, Thank you.
09:20:30 Okay.
09:20:38 Rich, you'll need to unmute and you'll have 3Â min.
09:20:44 Can you hear me? This is Rich Render from Port Hadlock.
09:20:49 Yeah, I, okay, I appreciate your time and I'd also like to comment on the Gaza war.
09:20:56 I'm deeply distressed by the horror that is being perpetuated there and I would also respectfully urge you to sign the solidarity statement for peace and justice in Israel and
Palestine.
09:21:11 This is not the world we need to leave for our children and grandchildren and, I certainly appreciate your time looking at this issue.
09:21:22 Thank you.
09:20:47 Yeah. Thank you. Okay. So you can use the raise line button at the bottom of your Zoom screen.
09:21:34 We wouldn't have.
09:21:38 Why have any line lines and they've got those comments?
09:21:43 Not seeing any I will close public comments and You'll share the ship back to my seat. May, great.
09:22:04 Thank you. I get good.
09:22:06 Great. And I don't know, Heidi, did you move the camera a little closer to them?
09:22:13 Now you guys are a little garbled. I don't know. Are you still close to the camera?
09:22:16 Okay.
09:22:15 We're still, we've moved the out camera. I just moved. Oh, yeah.
09:22:19 Okay. Alright, Greg, will you guys wanna start on responses to public comment?
09:22:29 Yeah, That's like, yeah, it's real. I had the privilege and So let's see.
09:22:48 To do a study tour in Israel with Mouse line. And, And with, they're exposed to, you know, decision to make those high levels and develops your events, on both sides.
09:23:12 And he's going to share this for you as well.
09:23:16 Okay, what's that, the, the, the, and like when they post, before the war started.
09:23:32 So I am, I have been deeply impacted and, just doing, just doing a lot of reading, trying to take down a lot of perspectives.
09:23:48 Yes, you know, and politically it's, very difficult. It's a bit of a device of issue and not taking our position. Of work because it feels extremely powerful.
09:24:00 Get the position, . It's interesting when I'm also currently studying doing the finishing a fellowship right now. It's just, moving in, American democracy.
09:24:16 And just last night. Oh, actually, I haven't read the declaration of independence. I've heard a, there's like, I don't, all the things we don't actually learn.
09:24:29 And the original draft of the declaration, independence have a, a stands on denouncing, a, and, took that out.
09:24:40 And it even talked about, enslaved people as men in gold, gold letters, So like actually saying that inside people were mad, therefore deserving of rights.
09:24:53 Clearly allies, yeah, in the. And then reading the, Douglas's address.
09:25:03 It's, Yeah, tell it like it was. Before this, and so I've been very haunted by the.
09:25:21 Just the awareness that sometimes towards, when you're not taking a position, it's absolutely the wrong thing to do.
09:25:29 And also really not wanting to do harm and, be hurtful and such a device is fine and our country is history within my home.
09:25:42 So I will just say that I am deep in thought and study. And, will work around this issue and, Like I said, I'm not to in the position publicly, but take very seriously that.
09:25:56 That, users have a responsibility, to take position. During the full time. So John, Oh, yes,
09:26:17 Let's see, it's like it's easier maybe talking about. Yeah, it's just saying, and I'll be interested to follow the, science, all along and try to acknowledge, but, so to be
considered there.
09:26:51 I do so believe that ask when more properly work and any large trials that do not control. So that they're not very effective because they're Just push back a little bit, one
more hot day, you know, but they can be quite effective.
09:27:15 Let's see, as for the, product center, I would. Sat through the, the meetings that were put in the minutes.
09:27:27 There's certainly. I would not say that if you want to read this proof of anything, you know, other than I'm concerned.
09:27:38 I would not say that if you want to run this proof of anything, you know, other than, concern, that had nothing to do with talking about the insurance and bombs, which, I guess
we're in the.
09:27:48 The obligations. You know, desire is to try to come up with a proposal that 0 interest in. Putting together a different proposition.
09:28:05 There is no reason why anybody would want to. Together plan that is not going to work for. So .
09:28:15 Just probably know that this, this, you know, theory that, bad plans, but forward, simply doesn't make sense.
09:28:26 There is, you know, theory that, bad plans, but forward, simply doesn't make sense.
09:28:27 There's, to, to do that.
09:28:31 That's all I think. Maybe just to, I'm just gonna have to, you know, with.
09:28:39 Perform, for, 35, center, start to see a surplus build.
09:28:49 For the Aquatic Centre, which is, just, how, how, the, finance, any, works, that surplus, I think, could service that backstop and also, that surplus, I think, could serve as
that backstop.
09:29:01 And also, I do. Yeah.
09:29:17 Thanks, Kate.
09:29:15 That's all. Okay. Happy to go.
09:29:21 I did sign on this over there and statements. Because I've found, around this issue and I think I Unfortunately, my life has experience of a lot of personal life.
09:29:40 And when that when I've been, I haven't been researching this early on these issues, but when I do, and I hear about the number of people dying.
09:29:50 On all fronts. I just get over all the and I can, And I don't think that.
09:30:02 It's not fair. Or I would say maybe I would hope that we would live in a world where there is less grief.
09:30:09 Especially your children. And, and, and, I'm all over and I use standpoints that I very much feel.
09:30:21 And solidarity with Yeah, that's that's the place. Signed on,
09:30:41 In terms of NASA. You know, I agree. It's a message one, right?
09:30:54 Well, then it can. A lot of elders in my life, We're asking when there's virus.
09:31:02 So I. I mean, I approach it from that. I've read some, many studies, and then always double down on the source.
09:31:15 But I do, and the people around. What I've learned about the product center proposal, since you started talking about Is there a lot more to learn?
09:31:37 And. I spent much of last week. Trying to approach it from a scientific basis and I Have a, all the comments we've just been receiving and, and added all the ones that we received
since.
09:31:54 Last Wednesday and have a sense of there being a lot more discussion that feeling that there's.
09:32:05 People are haven't really been paying attention. I know they are. And so I think there's a lot.
09:32:15 As a government. Including about B. You check, you can amount down here, all those things.
09:32:25 So, okay. I think that's it from me. I see this when I have that she raised her hand before Pulletcom was closed.
09:32:34 Julia, we close public comments. So.
09:32:38 He raised it before. Yeah, let's give her a chance.
09:32:40 She raised her hand before. Okay. Yeah, okay, sorry. I misunderstood Julia.
09:32:48 Come on over.
09:32:49 Hi. Am I there?
09:32:51 Good morning, yes we can hear you.
09:32:53 Okay, I yeah, sorry I'm late this morning. I just had it was complicated and yes, this is Julia Cochrane and basically I just have a question.
09:33:05 I've been waiting for the. Recommendation of the Housing Fund Board to be on your agenda for the last month or so.
09:33:13 And, I thought it was going to be this morning and it's not and I'm just asking.
09:33:17 When I'm asking one. That's it.
09:33:21 I can take that one. Thank you, Julia. I'll respond to public comments and in response to Julia's question there were a couple changes that we made to the recommendations from
the Housing Fund Board at the request of the Finance Department.
09:33:38 No amounts were changed, but there were 3 different awards. I don't have in front of me right now, which were both from fund 1 48 and 1 49 both from the 50 90 and 53 86 and
2 of those we consolidated so it just comes from one fund for ease of processing the contracts and then also L.
09:34:04 360 had been given full funding under the 1590 to 60%. Pending a budget.
09:34:10 Update an update of their budget to show that they could justify that full funds under the 60% of construction of new new facilities or support of those construction of new
facilities.
09:34:22 And they ended up with the new budget about 30 grand short of that so we were going to at the housing fund board last week which partially due to me being out of town we rescheduled
for a special meeting this week but because of those changes we just wanted to take it back to let you Julia as well as the rest of the housing fund board take another look and make
sure it was okay before the recommendations.
09:34:45 Went on to the consent agenda for the county commissioners. So that's the answer to Julia.
09:34:51 To Hendrik and Rich and I didn't get the third gentleman's name about the solidarity statements.
09:34:58 I'm you know. It's a tragedy and I feel for all of the people.
09:35:06 In that area and I would happily sign the solidarity statements and if both of my seat mates wanted to pass a resolution like the common grounds resolution that the city of
Seattle passed.
09:35:21 I would, seriously consider and probably support doing that, but I wouldn't want to do it without a unanimous vote of the BOCCs.
09:35:29 So. I guess I'd suggest maybe we I don't know. Re visit this. I'll sign in in the intervening week.
09:35:37 The solidary statement and if if we can come to a consensus about support for the people. But the resolution, I would be happy to move that forward.
09:35:49 So we'll bring that up. I'll bring it next week and see. Unless you know if Kate's not interested in that and it's a little bit I don't I don't pretend to be an expert and it's
an incredibly complicated situation and you know.
09:36:03 First do no harm. So I don't want to create.
09:36:08 In a more complications with us. So. I appreciate people advocating for peace and a cease fire and.
09:36:17 Happy to support it as well as I can. Thank you, Mr. Scantier, for raising this additional point.
09:36:27 I think financing and the, you know, who holds who's got the backstop is a important question.
09:36:33 I think the conversations continue. About the the aquatic center the funding mechanisms for x and you know, we're in the thick of it now, so we'll continue to talk about it.
09:36:45 I appreciate the additional point. Mr. Schumacher. You know, I look forward to looking at the study.
09:36:51 It sounds like you. I gave a copy of it for the reading and trying to validate it. Maybe someone can throw it on my desk.
09:36:59 I'm going, into the operating room this week and, please, I beg my doctors, please wear masks when you're operating on me.
09:37:09 Because that's just the standard practice. I don't want germs getting in to my my insides.
09:37:16 I don't want germs getting in to my my insides. So. You know, a study about HPA filters does not talk to the efficacy of masks and I think we've been Yeah.
09:37:26 I don't really need to rehash that. I guess that's it. Any other further response?
09:37:36 No.
09:37:38 Okay, great. Well, thank you everyone for public comment and we will go now to our consent agenda.
09:37:46 Short and sweet, but some important stuff on there. Any questions or concerns?
09:37:53 No, I mean, I think we were reached on this idea of, of these last week, was it?
09:38:00 Yep.
09:38:00 And other 3, that was. Okay, thanks. And I would just say more broadly, I mean, I feel like.
09:38:09 Where. . And, IT, IS, IN, the, PUBLIC, I would be in support of those.
09:38:18 So. Okay. That works. Yeah.
09:38:27 Okay.
09:38:39 Okay.
09:38:43 Okay.
09:38:27 Yep. So you see that, advisory board resignation, appointments, and guess, they're, they're, they're service. We, that, that, they, still pass away. Oh, you know, zoom's fine.
09:38:49 That's the way. And I'm making a second half. So, he was at our last.
09:38:57 Yeah.
09:39:02 That's sorry to hear that about David.
09:39:11 Can you?
09:39:04 They're looking forward to, I know, Outside again.
09:39:18 Okay, it's been moved and seconded to approve and adopt the consent agenda as presented. All in favor indicate by saying aye.
09:39:26 Okay.
09:39:27 All right, that is unanimous all right. Well, we have a short agenda for today.
09:39:36 We have a hearing at 1030. It's 9 39 now. I'm Wondering if we think there's any chance we can get.
09:39:45 The sound system back online and if we take a 20Â min break. Carolyn, do you know?
09:39:53 Oh, I keep on move the microphone. So what I can do is I can take the owl camera setup.
09:40:03 That's on my spare laptop right now and move it back to my recording computer since my recording computer seems to be operational.
09:40:10 And then my recording computer. Has the mics hardwired into it so we use the microphones again.
09:40:17 So if we take it right.
09:40:18 I think it would be worthwhile to take him. 10Â min recess, whatever it takes to if we can get that going, it's pretty hard to decipher.
09:40:26 The nuance of what people are saying with the sound as it is online. So the recording is suffering for it.
09:40:32 Can we come back?
09:40:32 So. Why don't we Yeah, we'll recess on 9 55.
09:40:37 Okay, thank you.
09:40:39 Alright, thanks guys.
09:40:43 Well, I don't know what to pass here.
09:40:47 Hmm.
09:55:32 Alright. Ready to go?
09:55:37 Appears we are. Can you see us?
09:55:40 Okay.
09:55:45 You can see us, right? Okay.
09:55:45 That was a yes. Okay, I'll call this meeting the Board of County Commissioners back into session.
09:55:51 Thanks for, bearing with us as we work on our tech issues. So anything we're dying to get on the agenda today.
09:56:01 We'll probably break after the hearing is my idea, unless there's something that we have to talk about.
09:56:12 Alright. Great.
09:56:09 I don't have. Anything to add? I guess one question. I don't know if this has been answered yet, but.
09:56:22 Is if we are. On track to talk more about the Aquatic Center next week or if we're gonna take more time.
09:56:33 With the city? Yeah, yeah, I mean, either the, you know, steering community is not able to put together a meeting before.
09:56:43 But just curious where you guys are at too, if you want to. Move forward or want more time I'm guessing the steering committee might want more time but we haven't had it opportunity
to discuss that yet.
09:56:58 I think today's meeting is important and that might help set the table for follow on meetings. I'm not sure.
09:57:04 Which meeting is that?
09:57:07 It's a meeting with commerce to talk about the PFD and the independent. Financial review
09:57:15 I'm still happy to talk about this next week. So we'll have the answer.
09:57:21 We'll have the independent financial review. As of today.
09:57:24 I don't think the review is going to be complete for some time. I think today we're discussing that review.
09:57:31 I haven't seen an agenda. I've just seen an invite. Yeah, I mean, what Kerry said was that would take.
09:57:37 2 months for the review? Yeah, I think she was here for 6 weeks. For expedited but that I think we have to do the create the PFT for that to be done.
09:57:48 Oh.
09:57:48 I think it's, from us. Oh, I didn't understand that. Yeah.
09:57:54 I thought to review occurred which validates assumptions that would support the creation of the PF. That's what I thought the review occurred, which validates assumptions that
would support the creation of the people. That's what I thought.
09:58:06 I could be wrong. It's not something with the steering committee has not talked about that yet.
09:58:09 So, last week was the first I had heard of that. Procedural. So we need to get some more information, obviously.
09:57:53 I didn't understand that either. I mean, we can talk a little bit about where we are right now.
09:58:16 Yeah, well today.
09:58:19 I, I can hear you guys better now. So I don't know. I mean.
09:58:23 Okay.
09:58:21 Okay. Well, so what are the what are the issues? That, Greg, you and Heidi, you have with the idea, if If I recall, location is one.
09:58:35 PFD versus, MPD is another. Is there a third or there more than?
09:58:42 2 issues that discuss.
09:58:42 Well, I'm I think those are the big issues. To me, right now we're just considering it PFD.
09:58:52 I get that, you know, the steering committee is not interested in an MPD. I mean, I think it's To me it's a much more, as I said before, at portable.
09:58:59 Solution to this. I guess composition of the PFD would be something that I would want to talk about too.
09:59:09 You know, we have lots of countywide organizations and I would If we're going to be equitable about this and apply a tax evenly across the county, yeah, we probably want.
09:59:20 Geographic representation, which is, you know, what might come with a different. Recommendation than we've gotten so far.
09:59:29 So I mean, I guess that's kind of where I am right now. I don't know.
09:59:33 And the Board of County Commissioners appoint the board of the PFD and we're required to have to represent the interest of the city is the it's weird language in the statute
09:59:46 But so they would have a an appointment on that board, but the rest are up to the Yes.
09:59:58 5 to 7, I think. I think 7.
09:59:58 Like I, I could imagine 2 district 3, 2 district 2, 2 district one and a city representative.
10:00:07 So. You know, no one group can.
10:00:11 You know, kind of overrule the others, right? You have because 2 thirds of our population is outside of the city.
10:00:17 So I I think some of the assumptions about
10:00:23 You know, yeah, the location and, and, you know, does the city continue to operate the pool?
10:00:30 Yeah, I mean, I think these are big questions that. Are existential. I don't know.
10:00:37 I don't have an answer right now, but these this is kind of where my mind has been going.
10:00:41 It'll ask a week or so. Heidi, you anything, any updates?
10:00:46 I just would say what I said earlier is that I've been really trying to digest, sorry, other, you know, all the comments and.
10:00:56 I'm less excited about the pool proposal than I was last week. The current proposal. And.
10:01:04 More excited about the potential of a District 2 location for the pool. So I know that throws.
10:01:12 All the what are they what are those sticks called to the wind but You know, I just, and my heart of hearts can't.
10:01:21 Support the current proposal. But I also feel like we're getting new information every day. So it doesn't feel like making a huge capital decision based on evolving information
is a good.
10:01:35 Approach anyway. And. Would like more of a complete picture of what we're being asked.
10:01:42 To support. So I'm. I'm pointing back at you, Greg, saying, well, I guess I'm in Greg's camp and.
10:01:51 That's where I'm at.
10:01:54 Okay.
10:01:54 I mean, I guess timing wise, well, I don't know, I guess Kate first will give you a chance to weigh in.
10:02:01 Yeah, I mean, I think, to, say we want a mid-county location means to start over 100% and that's that's unfortunate because a lot of the work that's been done to date has considered
a lot of the questions I think that are are still outstanding you know and Maybe that needs to be updated.
10:02:28 Can the try area population support? An aquatic center like. 5 or 10 years ago, the answer was no.
10:02:39 Is that different now? And how do you project forward with potential growth? There. But I think that's a hard call, you know, what's the, is there land and the cost of bringing
infrastructure to property?
10:02:52 Would include that, how's that going to work? We still are stuck with 2 totally imperfect funding mechanisms.
10:02:59 You know, PFDs have to either be city boundary exclusively or county boundary exclusively.
10:03:06 And we see the challenges with that and then an MPD. The school districts are saying, please God no, it's going to affect our ability to fund schools.
10:03:18 So I still feel like like we're nowhere closer to or it's just years and years out.
10:03:25 To to start over and you know I'm not saying that's not the best thing to do but I think we know.
10:03:33 Closer to a good solution, much less, you know. Getting support from. From folks who you know, it's way easier to be critical of something than it is to get behind something
when you actually have skin in the game so I'm not sure that we would get a lot more support because I think the All of the challenges would be just as great out in the county.
10:03:58 Which is why good smart people have landed on this as the most feasible plan. So I, know it's imperfect, but I just think, you know, we found all of our parks and recreation
regionally.
10:04:13 There's no dedicated funding source. We found all of our parks and recreation regionally. There's no dedicated funding source.
10:04:22 We pay for the after school program in Brennan with general fund dollars paid for by the whole county. Do we ask just Brandon to pay for that?
10:04:23 No, is it doesn so I am. I still stand behind the the plan as it is and not to say that it's perfect by any means.
10:04:39 Feels like a bit of an impasse. I I mean, we're still having a meeting with commerce.
10:04:48 Today, right? So we'll find out. Mark, what do you think we're going to have?
10:04:53 Has an output of today's meeting that will be helpful?
10:04:58 Like I said, I, I have not seen an agenda, but potentially the timeline and we're kind of information we have to submit.
10:05:06 For them to be able to complete their review. I can report out the minute the meeting is over.
10:05:09 And.
10:05:12 I can share a summary.
10:05:16 That would be great. And I guess I wanna. Ask Kate, you say if it is a mid a mid county location.
10:05:25 Mean starting over does it does it really mean starting over if we have another location that is the same size that's on a future sewer.
10:05:36 Can we in we're aspirationally, you know, the PFD decides they wanna, you know.
10:05:39 In the middle of the county instead of one on one edge of the county is that really starting over aren't most of the design parameters.
10:05:47 Assuming urban level infrastructure. Essentially the same.
10:05:53 Well, but the site site would be different and you know, I mean we've made major changes just to the Mountain View site given the terrain and other services around and access
and you know you name it there's you know it'd be a new design.
10:06:14 The costs would all be totally different. In 5 years, however long it would take to get this.
10:06:20 This work complete. So I don't know what would. What would carry over. I mean, we've certainly learned some things about how to set up a PFD, but.
10:06:32 Yeah, I mean, it would be a different design, different cost estimate. What would take 5 years?
10:06:37 We've only spent a year on this so far. Well, this relied on a lot of work done.
10:06:41 Which we would still have. I mean, we don't even, we don't have the sewer yet. We don't have a location.
10:06:49 We don't have any infrastructure to a location. A city parcel is way better prepared to accept. Infrastructure, major infrastructure than anything.
10:06:59 Out in the county previous, formulated currently currently. We have a timeline for the sewer. And we have some locations that are adequate in size.
10:07:10 Or a facility the size that's being planned at Mountain View. So, but we know the public process to re rezone or, you know, do get get public input that takes all long time.
10:07:22 I mean, it just all this stuff is. Takes a long time. Yeah. And it should.
10:07:34 Alright, well I'm pretty hesitant to make a final decision now. Maybe should we put it on the agenda for next week?
10:07:44 Yeah.
10:07:38 Oh yeah, especially, especially with, new information. Not, not being here and yeah, new information is coming and yeah.
10:07:48 Okay, well we'll process what comes out of the meeting with commerce today and let's make a You know, I guess a workshop or just a deliberations next week.
10:08:02 Okay.
10:08:03 Yeah, maybe, discussion, cause I think it would be good to have the, steering committee have an opportunity to you know come back and see if there are changes.
10:08:17 To consider, you know, a change in timeline or something. I think we should not make a final decision until the steering committee has had an opportunity to.
10:08:25 Meet and talk about the feedback we've received.
10:08:28 No, that sounds reasonable. Okay, so just discussion next week and we'll wait until the steering committee can process this commerce meeting as well.
10:08:36 And
10:08:37 Yeah, and that way too I can take information or questions from this body to the steering committee and be helpful.
10:08:47 Mark was trying to get at today but. Be helpful. Sounds good.
10:08:54 We'll get that.
10:08:50 Okay. Great, thank you. Are there other topics we want to address? We've got of course.
10:08:58 Briefing and calendaring we can get done as well. Should we anything else?
10:09:05 Vernon? Alright, let's who wants to start with a briefing?
10:09:10 Hmm. I'm happy to start. See, I can look back.
10:09:17 Week.
10:09:21 Last week.
10:09:26 They're gonna, mine's gonna be short for last week, but. Okay, so.
10:09:34 Was obvious. Did we do the week before already? Yeah, we did that at last week's meeting.
10:09:40 Okay. So, last week. Was with you guys on Monday of course and then on Tuesday and the morning I had a meeting.
10:09:50 With Mallory regarding her scope of work for future. Worstery work with the county, which Mark is working on with her.
10:10:00 So I felt like it was a good conversation. And we talked about. Some potential for us health thinnings that she's.
10:10:09 Kind of had in the back of her mind to do on county lands. So that'll be in our scope of work and then.
10:10:17 Continued. Collaboration with DNR on our all of our priorities that we gave DNR in June.
10:10:29 And I had lunch with Al just to. Al Karen's to check in on. Solid waste issues and I'm on that Department of Ecology Work Group regarding reducing organics and the.
10:10:44 Waste stream and you know I don't No, if you all are. Up to speed on this, but we did not receive our recycling education grant.
10:10:54 Hmm.
10:10:54 From Department of Ecology, so Al's feeling pretty sore about that, which I totally understand.
10:11:01 And it even is then of course less incentive to do the right thing. Around recycling education and also May color my input in my.
10:11:15 Work group participation because if ecology can't support counties who are trying to do the right thing then I think they've they've moved to.
10:11:24 Emphasizing larger jurisdictions with their funding. Working more in the. King Pierce, how much? So anyway, that's, the scent that, since that Al has.
10:11:38 Okay.
10:11:37 So that was. That was a disheartening conversation over really great tacos. Which makes anything better, right?
10:11:48 And then drove down to Brennan Tuesday evening for one of the. Jim's Garantino organized the Quadic Community Aquatic Center community events.
10:12:01 Drove down with council member Thomas and port commissioner Petronic. It was nice to. Just have some kind of unstructured time with some of our other jurisdiction colleagues
and They were just going because they hadn't been to any of of any meetings about the Aquatic Center.
10:12:23 So we're curious to hear the basic information and It was a good. Unlike what I heard, quilting was like and California.
10:12:31 This was a smaller group and Greg, you can characterize this more because you've been at more of these meetings, but.
10:12:37 Smaller group. More of a back and forth kind of reasoned. Felt reasonable conversation to me.
10:12:44 And good to hear from folks in South County. Not having a sense of a lot of support. Coming from down there.
10:12:53 For the Aquatic Center. Wednesday morning, met with council member McKager. Just to kind of get her sense on the Aquatic Center and.
10:13:06 Her her approach on her vote that she took and It was a good, also a good conversation. I spent much of Wednesday as I mentioned creating my little analysis of all the public
comments we've received, which I have in a Excel spreadsheet if either of you want them.
10:13:25 Been Categorizing them by pro and con or other and then. Where folks live and kind of the main points they're making in their comments.
10:13:35 Happy to share those if anyone wants those.
10:13:37 Hello.
10:13:39 Okay, I will send it your direction. See, and then. Went to Penrover Farm for the monthly brown bag lunch.
10:13:52 We've been doing, which I find. Restorative, just positive and restorative and also good, really good sharing comes out of that.
10:14:01 And then late Wednesday got my haircut and started. I've been moving furniture for the last 6 days, I feel like.
10:14:08 So. Continued that process and and then Friday, well, obviously there's Thanksgiving and did our are wonderful and long standing friends giving with I like it was the core team
this year.
10:14:28 18 of the core team were at the table and Food was delicious and company was better. So.
10:14:34 And then on Friday, midday I did the KPTZ. Radio show and I invited superintendent mock from And then Jeff Jones from the Team Center at Chemicum schools to join me and Just
talk about how things are going at the schools and what's on the horizon and get their sense of.
10:14:56 Kind of the health of schools in Chema and they felt like it was a great conversation. So.
10:15:05 Put it all back.
10:15:02 Then I went back to moving furniture for the rest of the weekend. So that's my. Moved it all back and I was saying earlier but when we were in the in the midst of trying to
get the tuck figured out.
10:15:14 That I moved it all back but now My house feels empty. Like I got rid of some furniture and I'm like, I got my house is too big now.
10:15:23 So anyway, need to get more dogs. My mom, yeah, more dog. My mom said when she bought that house, she, my grandma moved here and then late, let's see, late eighties, mid eighties.
10:15:36 That my mom bought found the house for her and bought it and was gonna be one grandma living in this huge 4 bedroom house and But it was the only house my mom could find at
the time.
10:15:46 And so she bought it and We're always like, it's such a big house. Well, she's like, I had to buy the house I could find.
10:15:54 So anyway. Glad to have it. Happy to have a warm and comfortable home. With enough room for roller skating now.
10:16:04 Hmm.
10:16:06 Nice. It sound like a pretty busy week for a short week.
10:16:09 Yeah, it was good week though. Beautiful weather. Cool. I like cold and crest.
10:16:18 How was your week, okay?
10:16:20 Let's see, good week. I am Tuesday chaired the portion of the Puget Sound Federal Leadership State Advisory Committee, Tribal Management.
10:16:36 Geez, conference, which is the coordinating body for efforts. Amongst tribes, the feds and the state on restoration of Puget Sound has to do with our designation as a national.
10:16:54 Estuary. And, it was. Little stressful, still having a lot of email issues.
10:17:05 Calendar issues and email issues in that case did not receive the agenda or any of my talking points.
10:17:10 Oh, geez, while, you know, sharing this portion of the meeting with all these. Federal agency directors and secretaries and so I I think we really need to get to the bottom
of this email issue.
10:17:25 I had 2 missed 2 important meetings last week as a calendaring or in the last 2 weeks because of calendaring issues.
10:17:34 So we've just got to figure out what's going on. It's not sustainable to keep.
10:17:42 Is it the hour off issue or no? So for some reason I'm not getting NODC meeting invites or email from Kitsap County for workforce development.
10:17:54 And calendar invites or emails, I'm not sure which, and then like, I got nothing for this meeting on Friday.
10:18:00 From state agency. So it's kind of like random places that I'm not receiving things from.
10:18:07 And, you know, IT has been able to look through the filters and various, you know, blockers that they have and it's not showing up there showing stuff is delivered but never
received, you know, no sign of it in my searches.
10:18:21 And so it's. I just feel like, you know. With it's increasing and the kind of like severity of the importance of things that I'm screwing up, you know, and it's harder to justify
3 months after the fact.
10:18:37 Why this is still happening. So. Mark, I just need need your help in figuring out what the next steps are because it's yeah.
10:18:46 You know, for example, we had a in person. Meeting of the Olympic Consortium Board, which is the board that oversees all the millions and millions of dollars for workforce development
in 3 county region.
10:19:01 You know, I had nothing. On my calendar about it. And so luckily, like at the last minute, I had to drive to Los Angeles so you could have a quorum.
10:19:08 Like, and it's just, you know, and they were. 30 people participating in this meeting.
10:19:16 Unfortunately, only 3 voting members of the quorum is harder to achieve, but the whole workforce development council was there.
10:19:20 Screw this stuff up. So are you saying that IT is seeing the emails in the system? Yeah.
10:19:31 They're not getting to you some but others. I mean, the calendar invites we don't understand where they go some just you know we all think we all lost a number of duplicates
with times right that I can at least like at least I'd rather 2 on my calendar with the wrong time I can figure that out but getting nothing yeah it's I wonder what I am a gun exactly
I know
10:19:52 but otherwise the, that management conference meeting went. Well, it's you know that the tribes are not happy with the work of the state and the federal agencies.
10:20:10 Just feel like they're not doing enough. But we do have this shared document, the Pudates on Action Agenda, which, you know, outlines the work we're supposed to do.
10:20:19 So this is the best progress we're ever going to make, given the amount of funding we're getting from the feds.
10:20:24 But it's, of course, it's also not going as far. If you saw the report that the fish.
10:20:30 Passage barrier removal projects are costing twice as much as they anticipated. You know, hundreds of millions of dollars that the state allocated for that are only going to
go half as far as they were, which means they will not meet the deadline for the federal injunction and it's that's kind of a mess and then I think too what is good is that the both
the feds and the state really seem to be understanding
10:20:53 that they continue to, you know, have regulatory barriers that are very hard for the conservation community to address.
10:21:01 So for example, FEMA has a new. A new requirement that any project. Any infrastructure project that's going to potentially affect.
10:21:13 The functioning of a flood plain. Gets put into a higher category of regulation. Which makes sense when it's a housing development or a factory or something, but does that make
sense when it's a fish passage barrier removal project?
10:21:30 Yeah.
10:21:30 Like it doesn't actually distinguish whether there's benefit versus right, you know, harm and so still.
10:21:36 But there is, it's just great to hear all the all the agencies saying what are the barriers we're putting up, how are we making this more expensive and take longer?
10:21:48 Let's see. Wednesday had a prep meeting. Paul Jewel and I are going to be testifying to the House local government committee down in Olympia next week.
10:21:59 So he and I had a prep meeting for that. On Wednesday. And then had a meeting with Mark and Shooty and Amanda about the administrative overhead charges.
10:22:11 In this case for the childcare center. And we keep saying, do we need a policy about how that's going to be charged?
10:22:19 And it seems like we just. Realize each time that every grant is going to be a little bit different.
10:22:23 Getting, you know, in terms of what can be taken for overhead, right, the percentage is very anyway.
10:22:30 Yeah, yeah, so we came to Amanda had a good strong proposal for covering her time for the 2 grants that she's managing for this project and it came out to be a very reasonable.
10:22:45 Yeah, very, very small amount, which is, yeah, very, very small amount, which is great because there's potentially a funding gap for that project.
10:22:49 So I was glad it didn't come in super high. Had a nice weekend whenever to.
10:22:57 Portangelis to go ice skating on Friday, which is no Saturday, which is one of my favorite things in the world to do and just love that they've been able to make that rink work.
10:23:07 It's a nice. Little addition to the peninsula winter Christmas season. So kudos to the city and the business associations that have been able to pull that off.
10:23:22 Were there a lot of people there ice skating? It was pretty packed. We went right when it opened hoping hoping to get there ahead of the crowds.
10:23:30 I think it fills up more in the afternoon. And evening. So it's hard having grown up in places where ice skating is taken very seriously.
10:23:39 It's a little hard to come to the Northwest where people don't skate a lot.
10:23:46 And so there's a lot of, you feel like you take your life into your hands a little bit by being in these small ranks with people and kids with the little push toys that, you
know, they can mute and kids with the little push toys that, you know, they can be terrors.
10:24:00 Do you have your own skates? I don't. I did for a long time. I, they rent skate.
10:24:01 They do. Very serious about ice skating and high school and Skated at the same rink with Peggy Fleming, she probably horrified if she knew I was saying this in open session,
but she was she was she did spends and flips my mom and I was like when I was a kid she took me a couple of times and she could still.
10:24:18 Do spins and stuff, but I think now she'd be horrified if I suggested taking her ice skating.
10:24:24 Yeah, it does. It feels a little riskier every year, but yeah, I was a pretty serious skater.
10:24:29 Too and so I'm trying trying to keep it not lose that skill. Yeah that's fun.
10:24:36 Yep.
10:24:35 Great. Alright, mine will take less time. Let's see. I was with you guys on Monday, then Tuesday most of the day I greatly filled out a FIF application for the Glencoe infrastructure.
10:24:53 And then, I also joined, Heidi and we noticed that meeting down in Brennan.
10:25:01 And that was the first one I'd been to too. Most of the other ones have occurred during me other meetings.
10:25:05 So I've I've not been to any other of the I think Kate's term editorial meeting was, is absolutely accurate, but it was a Good conversation.
10:25:16 Happy to go. Yeah, I don't have a lot more. I mean, it was.
10:25:22 It was polite, but you know, there wasn't a lot of. Diverse opinions in the group.
10:25:30 And then, because my absence and some a couple others we had to reschedule the housing fun board, we had to reschedule the housing and some a couple others we had to reschedule
the housing fun board, talk about what's going on with the recommendations and public comment but We scheduled that this for this week.
10:25:46 And. Then we, my daughter and I lit out for the airport. 4 in the morning and we've been in Kuai ever since.
10:25:57 But a great trip, fabulous trip. So, I'll tell you all about it, but we don't have to go into all my highlights on public section, but it's been great and flying back late tonight,
so I'll be at that piff meeting at tomorrow.
10:26:11 There's your answer. Hmm.
10:26:12 Off of red eyes. Don't expect the greatest. Amount of coherence from me, you know, never my strong suit, but it's from me, you know, never my strong suit, but it will be even
less tomorrow morning.
10:26:23 I also got a warning. I also got a warning that my car was out of battery. I also got a warning that my car was out of battery so I've also got a warning that my car was out
of battery so I'm like I might be dancing the doing the range anxiety dance all the way home.
10:26:32 Okay.
10:26:32 Right, you just have to get the charging station in federal way. Should don't leave sensory mode on when you're at the leave your car for a week at the airport.
10:26:41 Okay.
10:26:40 That's what I learned. It went from. Like a hundred 20 miles down to 30 miles.
10:26:44 Oh, jeez.
10:26:51 Yeah.
10:26:46 Yeah. The tank of cast would still be there. It's true. I always pros and cons so other than that, everything's going great.
10:26:59 And I'll really quickly look at this coming week. I'm doing the pip.
10:27:00 Hey Greg. I'm just curious, did you attend those other aquatic center forum? No.
10:27:07 No, no, most of them like one was during ICG. One was when I was out of town.
10:27:14 So I haven't been able to that was the first one I had attended as well.
10:27:15 Okay, okay, we're just hearing rumors of them, okay.
10:27:18 Yeah, no, Kate had been to the one in Brandon, or And then I'm just turned, recounts over the cow point and try everyone.
10:27:27 Okay.
10:27:27 Okay. So tomorrow, let's see with you today. I'll be at the.
10:27:36 Here for Jefferson Transit tomorrow and then I think I have a intellectual and developmental disability advisory board meeting.
10:27:46 And, of course I'll be at that at the Piff meeting probably on the phone and tell us my turn to talk.
10:27:56 And then on Wednesday. I have the budget meeting with you all and then oh and I've got another I think I'm talking to housing fund board meeting via zoom on Tuesday.
10:28:06 Meeting with the director of Olympic angels on Wednesday have a sewer operation meeting with Mark and PD.
10:28:17 And we have the housing fund board meeting. On Thursday I got, Jeff Calm got rescheduled to the last Thursday so I won't be able to do the Am I understanding AI?
10:28:33 Webinar but I've been doing a lot of that in my graduate studies actually, I've been reading a lot about it and, You get to reach, A little group of people were gonna start
our own little AI club in the county and see if we can't come up with policy for the county as well as explore challenges and opportunities.
10:28:58 And then hopefully on Friday. Well, I'm getting my, you know, little medical stuff done and trying to participate in the first meeting of the central services.
10:29:13 And then I have a North Olympic recompete. Update meeting Friday afternoon and that's my next week.
10:29:22 I don't know.
10:29:22 Will you be able to participate in the Central Services Director, Firing?
10:29:31 Okay.
10:29:27 I'll certainly be able to participate in the hiring. This is like a preparatory meeting. And so I told Sarah proceed even if I can't but my time I'll only know the time that
I'm going in for just I can't even hide it.
10:29:40 Calling off could be on Friday, but I don't know the time until Thursday. So I might be.
10:29:43 Well, I had one recently. It's pretty, it's easy, Greg.
10:29:48 Oh no, I'm old, old hat for me, you know, it's like the standard thing.
10:29:54 They're not eating for a day before that's the standard thing if they're not eating for a day before that's the challenge for me.
10:29:55 Right. I guess I one thing I forgot to report out is that last week I been working on the transit general manager, annual review process and I got 5 of the 7 JTAB members to
submit, give me their input.
10:30:13 If you're hearing this and you're out there and you haven't. Send it my way and.
10:30:15 Right now I'm in the process of getting input from a number of the staff at at transit just towards that.
10:30:22 Intention we had of doing a more of a 3 60 review so there's still time to get me your your feedback if you haven't yet.
10:30:32 Excellent. All right, well, I guess it is time to. Oops. Start our hearing. So we should probably do that.
10:30:44 Let me.
10:30:44 Just a reminder after you start the hearing the Board of Health will need to call their special name to order as well. And you need to bring Phil Punsucker over?
10:30:53 I'm bringing everyone over right now.
10:30:56 Cases here.
10:30:53 Good. So do we, which board of We have people doing this hybrid as well. Okay. Great.
10:31:00 Maybe Heidi, would you mind sharing through this again? It's hard to share the hybrid meeting.
10:31:05 Yeah, I need to open the.
10:31:07 Oh, I, I've got the hearing.
10:31:12 Are you?
10:31:12 I'll start it and I'll pass it over just for manipulating it. So, we should probably call the board of health to order first.
10:31:21 Sure. You want me to do that? Hold on. Let's make sure so Amanda Grace needs to come over.
10:31:28 Glenn Gilbert, Apple Martine. They'll have to accept the promotion to panelists, which I'm not seeing happen.
10:31:35 And am I correct that other than the BOCC on the board of health only? City counselor, votes on this particular in this hearing.
10:31:50 Yeah, should be. City and county case. Do you have a quorum of the board health and attendance?
10:31:57 Do I have a what? A quorum of the Board of Health in attendance. Do I have a what? A quorum of the Board of Health? I don't know.
10:32:03 I'm trying to see who's there. Do I have a what? A quorum of the Board of Health? I don't know.
10:32:06 I'm trying to see who'
10:32:06 We reform with Amanda and the 3 of us in case.
10:32:09 Correct.
10:32:10 Yeah, so we good for a quorum.
10:32:13 I am here folks. I'm gonna keep my screen off. I'm under the weather and in my bed.
10:32:19 So.
10:32:21 I do, just. So it is only the city and county electeds that vote on changes to fee ordinance.
10:32:33 And it doesn't look like we have anyone here from the city or we. Concerned about that or?
10:32:38 We saw a quorum of those voting members 3 of the 4.
10:32:44 This is a new, we haven't done this yet, this is part of the new legislation for the changes to the Board of Health.
10:32:51 So it's a so is it possible to have the hearing and then make the decision at a later time.
10:32:56 When the when Libby is here representing the city.
10:33:01 Oh.
10:33:04 Where's that not kosher? Okay, I think the hope is to be able to adopt.
10:33:12 We're on kind of a track within the county of trying to get these ordinances.
10:33:20 Okay. Oh, great. Thank you.
10:33:16 Let, Libby said she's trying to join our meeting right now.
10:33:24 Wasn't maybe what we could do is just go ahead and get started since we do have quorum and So I will call to order this meeting of the Board of Health.
10:33:33 And since we do have a quarter quorum.
10:33:38 Great. And is there. Just one hearing script that we have to go through. Sorry, this is kind of I'm trying to turn your code.
10:33:44 Yeah. So I'll try to explain. The hearing for the BOCC is to address the 5 different department fee changes and that includes the county clerk public health our border.
10:33:58 Department of Public Health, Public Records, the Sheriff, the Auditor, but the since the since the Board of Health will be signing off on this too we had to do a joint special
meeting so the Board of Health has a signature page on your ordinance and resolution for just environmental health.
10:34:17 After the hearing is opened and you take testimony and you have staff presentations, the environmental health portion should be addressed first.
10:34:26 The Board of Health will review that, make any decisions jointly with the BOCC and then they're going to be adjourning their meeting or their special meeting.
10:34:33 Okay, that makes sense. So just one hearing and I've got the script handy so I'll read it but then to navigate the hybrid I'll pass it over to Heidi.
10:34:42 For the BOCC. So welcome everyone to this public hearing regarding the 2,02324 public fee changes for the county auditor the county sheriff the public records act administrator
the county clerk and the department of public health and environmental health is public hearing is now open if you have joined this meeting via the phone, which to provide hearing testimony,
please stand a line.
10:35:02 You will be provided an opportunity to speak during public testimony or on Zoom. Thanks for being here. Before we open for public testimony, we'll listen to a staff presentation,
Chief Civil Deputy Prosecuting Attorney, Philip Hunsocker and staff.
10:35:20 Well, I'm pinch hitting today for. Barbara Ehrlichman who's been the person in our office who's run point on this.
10:35:27 And can everybody see the presentation? Okay, and it
10:35:38 It's not.
10:35:36 Looks like it's not running on. There, there we go. That better?
10:35:14 Are present to give a presentation on this topic. So we'll turn it over to Mr. It didn't change.
10:35:43 Alright, so
10:35:48 If you're trying to turn the slideshow on, it didn't.
10:35:50 It's weird.
10:35:51 Didn't take.
10:35:54 Let me, let me re-share.
10:35:56 Yeah, there's a little symbol.
10:35:59 Yeah, I know.
10:36:02 Oh, and we're joined by, Cancellor, Winston. That's great.
10:36:07 Correct.
10:36:06 Yeah, that's better.
10:36:05 That better? Okay. Yeah, sometimes it doesn't cooperate.
10:36:15 Alright, so.
10:36:18 We've been. Working on basically a system of changing over from. The fee, appendix and our ordnances to a system of resolutions for each department and what we've got today
are 5 ordinances and resolutions proposing fee changes or in some cases just adopting them for the county audit or the county sure.
10:36:49 Public records act administrator superior court clerk the Department of Health, including the environmental public health division.
10:37:00 And the reason we're doing this is because of the changeover. When we adopted chapter 3.8 0 of the code which is the mechanism for the change in system.
10:37:17 And this is the heart of. Of that in terms of process that we're gonna be following today.
10:37:26 It's JCC 3.8 0 point 0 2 0 and basically what it says is any new fee schedule.
10:37:33 Is going to be adopted. By Resolution of the Board of County Commissioners. Or by or or by the board of health.
10:37:43 If it's within the jurisdiction of the board of health and for the for the public health.
10:37:51 Putting EPH. Latter part applies.
10:37:58 So there's a 2 step process for making this happen first. The. The Board of County Commissioners or the Board of Health must adopt an ordinance that eliminates the existing
fees in the And then there's adoption of a resolution.
10:38:17 That establishes the new piece schedule. That's required by chapter 3.8 0 of our code.
10:38:25 And it has to be done in the sequence. So. As I said, we're here today for, ordinances and resolutions for the auditor, the sheriff.
10:38:36 The public records administrator county court and public health including environmental public health
10:38:42 Philip, so Carolyn just said that we were going to do the environmental public health first, but what I just heard you say is we couldn't.
10:38:50 So which is it? Okay.
10:38:51 No, no, we can do that first. So I'll, I'll just skip in the slide show down to there's no problem.
10:38:57 Okay.
10:38:57 Okay, okay. I was I informed them that they'll they might have to hear all the presentations and then but when decision come time comes that should be addressed first.
10:39:05 Okay. Is what they were briefed on.
10:39:06 Yeah, that's fine too. So I'll just go through the presentation and add then. There'll be slides where, everyone can, can weigh in it probably won't take a long time.
10:39:18 This by this way by the way this slide show is basically the same slides show that you saw when when you approved the hearing notice there are a couple of additions only.
10:39:30 So, The first is the, are the fees, the additional fees for the auditor.
10:39:37 Many of the fees that are charged by the auditor are. And the RCWs and I put up here from the from the resolution.
10:39:51 The the new fees that are being proposed. And I'll ask our auditor to weigh in if she wants to on this.
10:40:01 Slide.
10:40:04 Here she comes. Now or after the fact. Are we? You said now Philip or?
10:40:11 Yeah, I think this is part of the presentation. So we're gonna do the presentation.
10:40:17 Yeah.
10:40:13 Yeah, and Brendan. Brenda's joining us. Okay, so. Can you hear me?
10:40:23 So, out of the code, these, all those are not new fees. So like the basic first page fee for the Mylar was 25 it's still 25.
10:40:35 Each additional page was $5 for surveys. We added the term. Maps to it. So it could be for all maps that are 18 by 24 such as plots and boundary line adjustments and.
10:40:44 Condos kind of path so it's just for consistency that every map coming in will charge the basic fee plus the $5 each additional page.
10:40:56 There used to be a fee a dollar fee for each additional owner. We've removed that it was hard to charge that.
10:41:03 We didn't know if owners meant you know 2 different lots, you know, if it's a line down that's the lots that'd be 2 different owners or if there was 2 names on there, if they
were spouse or partners.
10:41:15 So that was a confusing fee and I think lots of others are trying to. They don't charge for it, so we just wanted it out of our code.
10:41:25 The basic, so copy fees. For the basic fee for the first page was $5 in the in the previous code it's still $5 but what we are actually charging for each additional page was
$1 it used to be $3 so that's the assessors office is the one that provides those because they have the copier that can do the 18 by 24.
10:41:47 So when I spoke with them, that's what we are charging. So we wanted to encode what we were actually charging.
10:41:53 And then the record of monuments, used to say basic fee $2. Well, a monument is 2 pages.
10:42:00 And just for consistency again in our fee schedule. When you get a copy of a document, it is a dollar a page.
10:42:10 So we just wanted it to be the same as all other documents. The basic fees of dollar per page.
10:42:15 The monument is usually 2 pages double-sided. So you'd be charged $2.
10:42:18 It used to say $2 we wanted a dollar for each page which is the same fee. And that's it for the changes for the auditor.
10:42:25 Questions from the board?
10:42:29 Makes perfect sense. Thank you.
10:42:31 Okay, so. That's so now we're looking at the the sheriff's fees.
10:42:38 And, there aren't any changes to these fees. They're just the same as what they are in the, in the P.
10:42:46 I don't know if Sheriff Knowles there wants to say something.
10:42:53 Oh, okay.
10:42:51 Jen Morris with us. Do you want to say anything? No, there was no changes. So, okay.
10:42:57 Unless there are questions that I answer, but.
10:43:01 Okay, questions from the board.
10:43:03 Nope.
10:43:05 All right, Public Records Act. Here are The changes, there are no changes. from what is in the appendix.
10:43:15 And is Ken there? Just Ken wanna weigh in?
10:43:19 He's online. And is there anything you want to add? Hey chatted, Oh, no comments from Ken.
10:43:25 No contact.
10:43:30 Alright, questions from the board.
10:43:34 No questions.
10:43:35 Okay, so, now we have the clerk's fees and almost all the clerk's fees are authorized by.
10:43:44 RCW or court rule. The resolution adopts. The existing fees and I've just put a list of the types of fees.
10:43:54 That are in the resolution. It's actually a pretty long list. But it's, but it's part of the resolution, the actual resolution.
10:44:07 If you go to the end of, of the agenda request, it's at the end of the agenda request.
10:44:11 And I'll just ask Amanda if she wants to say anything about this.
10:44:16 No, there's 14 pages of fees and none of them are changing. Hmm. She's coming to the microphone.
10:44:29 As indicated, most of our fees are set by statute and there's 14 pages of them and none of them are changing.
10:44:36 So appreciate the clarity. Of just having it attached to the resolution. The, fees that are going away in the ordinance are actually included in the comprehensive list.
10:44:47 So except for the electronic management assessment fee, which we don't charge. Great. Thank you, Amanda.
10:44:55 Thank you.
10:44:55 Questions from the board?
10:44:58 Nope.
10:45:00 Okay.
10:45:03 So here are the public health fees or as a summary of the public health fees. And, There's a there's a couple of wrinkles we had to add some provisions to chapter 8 because
there was some substantive language in some of these.
10:45:23 Appendixes and in some of the appendix language so Okay, that's the only wrinkle.
10:45:30 Pardon me and I think Pinky do you wanna Do you want to talk about this and particularly the the increase proposed?
10:45:40 Sure. So we're asking for a, 6.1 increase and I think there's a table in the packet that describes why we're asking for the increase.
10:45:57 So there's been since January of 2,020 and 19% increase in the wages. We made a conscious decision after COVID not to increase any of the public health fees.
10:46:09 And so the 6.1. Is just what is covering the cost in wages. And that's pretty much it.
10:46:21 So.
10:46:22 Think he was at 6.1 or 6.0 1.
10:46:25 Sorry, 6.0 one. Thank you, Greg. Sorry.
10:46:30 Yeah, I noticed that point on one. I was like, alright, but.
10:46:33 Yeah.
10:46:36 It's dastardly decimal.
10:46:37 I'm looking at it from the corner of my eye and I keep seeing the one.
10:46:43 Alright, any questions from the board?
10:46:47 Is that just a one time increase?
10:46:51 For this yes.
10:46:52 Okay.
10:46:54 But it stays. It's, you know, increasing the fee.
10:46:58 Right.
10:46:59 Right, and the idea was we'll have an annual look at these. Every year as part of the budgeting process.
10:47:07 We should probably ask if any point of health. Members have any questions as well.
10:47:15 Not seeing any hands in the room.
10:47:22 Any. Not seeing any hands online.
10:47:28 I think it makes sense. This is Amanda Grace. I'll just wait in and say that just to keep pace with inflation, it makes sense.
10:47:35 No questions.
10:47:37 That is the end of the presentation.
10:47:42 Great. So now we're going to, as I understand, we're going to open the hearing for both.
10:47:48 For any of Any testimony about any of these fees. So I will. I'll read as your elected officials, we want to hear your testimony on this issue.
10:47:59 Your testimony will help inform our deliberations and decisions. And now open the hearing to listen to your public testimony.
10:48:05 If you join the meeting via the Zoom link, please click on the raise hand button located at the bottom of your screen to raise hand, you'll be brought over as a panelist and
asked to unmute and share your video if you wish.
10:48:14 There can be a short delay when transitioning to a panelist. If column by phone hit star 9 to raise your hand and then star 6 to unmute.
10:48:21 You need to identify yourself and where you live if as this is a hearing and if listening to the live stream you must mute playback so as not to create feedback when called
upon please address your comments to the board and not to the public.
10:48:35 So he's person will have 3Â min to give testimony. So. Testimony is now open.
10:48:41 Is there anyone that would like to give testimony on any of these fee increases?
10:48:44 Nobody in the room with us physically. There's a caller and again 1 7 4 to raise their hand to be star 9.
10:48:53 I also want to know for the record there was no hearing testimony received on this matter for any of the departments.
10:49:01 Not seeing any hands go up.
10:49:04 One more time if anyone would like to make testimony at this public hearing. You can hit star 9 if you're on the phone.
10:49:12 Raise hand button if you're online.
10:49:16 Okay, thank you everyone hearing no testimony this public hearing is now closed and we'll turn it over I guess to Commissioner Colf to begin Board of Health deliberations first.
10:49:28 Is that what we said?
10:49:32 Sure, thank you, Greg. So, First of all, let's just open the floor for any comments from.
10:49:40 From the people on the board of health who would like to comment.
10:49:47 Not seeing any hands in the room.
10:49:51 Not online. Great. Well, I think, Amanda, Grace covered. What most people feel very adequately in a very short testimony.
10:50:00 Thank you. So is there what would be the next order of business? I don't have the printed.
10:50:08 Agenda in front of me. The commissioners will deliver it. Oh, I'm sorry. I was just letting out the commissioners and the board health will deliberate and then both will take
their own action on this and then after the action is taken on a resolution and ordinance separate motions please then the board health will adjourn their meeting.
10:50:26 Alright.
10:50:26 And Carolyn, should we do the ordinance first? Cause it doesn't that impact how. Yeah, so the BCC should do it first on the ordinance that's changing the process and then so
why don't we do BOCC.
10:50:41 First, I'm getting back to my agenda here.
10:50:43 I'm double check. Board of Health is on the ordinance too or you they just on the resolution.
10:50:48 Says that dropped it jointly by the board of planning commissioners on the board of public health. On the ordinance regarding the environmental public health fees.
10:51:00 Hello.
10:50:57 Yeah, both there's a signature page for border health on there. For unordered.
10:51:01 So you could do the board of health ordinance and resolution. And then close, close out the Board of Health and then do the other ones.
10:51:11 Okay, let's do that so we can excuse our Okay.
10:51:14 And if you have all the language in front of you, Craig, perhaps you could you could take over running this meeting at this point since I don't have all of the exact language
with me right here.
10:51:26 Yeah, let me get to the portal. Yeah.
10:51:25 Hmm. It'll make, I'm happy to make the motion and we're doing this behalf of the Board of Health first, it sounds like.
10:51:32 Yep.
10:51:33 Sounds like that's the recommendation. Okay, on behalf of the Board of Health, I move to approve an ordnance relating to the Jefferson County Environmental Public Health fees
and fee schedules.
10:51:42 Repealing Ordinance, 1012, 1522, adopting a new section, 8.0 2 dot 010 of the Jefferson County code amending section 8.6 5.0 9 0 of the Jefferson County code and deleting sections
one dash 0 1 0 one dash 0 2 0 and one dash 0 4 0 from appendix V schedules.
10:52:10 Okay.
10:52:09 I'm glad I didn't try to make that motion. Thank you very much. It's been moved.
10:52:14 Is there a second?
10:52:15 Oh, sorry.
10:52:17 Alright.
10:52:15 Second. And remember this is just I think just Libby and the BOC actually get to vote on us.
10:52:25 Okay.
10:52:23 No, okay, then I'm, ing. Sorry guys, I'm out of it.
10:52:27 Huh. The heck. All right, so, I'll, is there, it's been moved and seconded.
10:52:36 Is there a discussion by those who are able to vote at this point?
10:52:39 You're right, Amanda said it right.
10:52:41 Yeah.
10:52:41 Yeah, and I think too just pointing out the making this more accessible, easy for the public to find the fee schedule, moving it out of the code is really helpful and having
it be be a free standing more easily fixable document is really has value to the public as well.
10:52:58 Great.
10:52:58 I would totally agree and heck of that anytime you can make something sort of easier to adjust and easier to locate it just makes everything cleaner.
10:53:09 Great. Any other comments? Heidi, Greg. Alright, so there's been discussion.
10:53:16 It's been the motion was seconded. So all in favor, please signify by saying aye.
10:53:21 Hi.
10:53:21 Hi.
10:53:21 Aye, aye. Right, looks like it's unanimous, so the motion has passed.
10:53:28 Alright. And then I think in case you can adjourn the Board of Health and
10:53:33 The resolution.
10:53:33 All right, you want to vote on the resolution?
10:53:35 Oh, I'm sorry. Sorry.
10:53:38 Getting there. All right, does somebody have the wording? Would would somebody like to move? By wording the resolution in your motion.
10:53:48 I'm not fine. It's way down. Yeah. At the bottom of the document.
10:53:55 All in one. But at the end.
10:54:02 Hmm. Okay, I think I've found it. Maybe.
10:54:08 You're doing better than me. So.
10:54:10 Okay. I found it. I found it. So.
10:54:17 Okay.
10:54:15 Page 22. A resolution I am happy to move to approve a resolution adopting a fee schedule.
10:54:25 For the Department of Public Health, Environmental Health Division. A second. Alright, it's been moved and seconded.
10:54:34 Is there any discussion?
10:54:37 I think we've had adequate discussion about this topic. So all in favor, please signify by saying I.
10:54:45 And
10:54:46 Okay.
10:54:45 Hi. Any opposed? All right, we'll consider it unanimous. And is that all the business that we need to do so that the BOCC can do their thing.
10:55:00 All right, so. At this point, I'll adjourn the meeting of the Board of Health and thank you for all those who attended.
10:55:09 Thank you.
10:55:09 Thank you.
10:55:10 Thank you, everybody.
10:55:09 Thanks everyone for coming at an hot time.
10:55:13 Veronica, do you have?
10:55:14 Yeah, I just wanted to say thank you to, Barbara Erlichman and, also Phil.
10:55:23 Sucker and Pinky as well. They just made this process. Just a nice process, smooth process.
10:55:30 So just thank you to them. And thank you, commissioners.
10:55:35 Thank you.
10:55:36 Bye.
10:55:37 Good morning.
10:55:34 That's great. Alright, find the board of health thanks for being here. I mean, you're welcome to stick around and make
10:55:41 Yeah.
10:55:45 Okay. Now we'll let, anyone that's leaving process and then we'll, We've got a bunch of ordinances and and and resolutions to move through.
10:55:58 So go from the top to the bottom.
10:55:58 Okay. Yeah, you also have the same. Ordnance. And resolution the Board of Health just approved.
10:56:06 Yeah.
10:56:06 Yeah.
10:56:10 Yep.
10:56:08 Should we start with that one? Okay, I move again. This time on behalf of the Board of County Commissioners to approve an ordinance relating to Jefferson County environmental
public health fees and fee schedules, repealing Ordnance 1012, 1522, adopting a new section, 8.0 2 dot 0 1 0 of the Jefferson County code amending section 8.6 5 dot 0 9 0 of the
10:56:35 Jefferson County code and deleting sections one dash 0 1 0 one dash 0 2 0 and one dash 0 4 0 from Appendix F schedules.
10:56:45 I'm happy to second that.
10:56:55 Aye.
10:56:47 The motion's been moved and seconded. Any further conversation? Seeing none all in favor indicate by saying aye That's unanimous.
10:56:59 Alright.
10:57:00 I am happy to do the. Yeah, you got a much shorter title. I should have that one.
10:57:09 Okay. I just was able to find it though. Let's see. So I'm happy to move.
10:57:16 To approve a resolution adopting a fee schedule for the Department of Public Health, Environmental Health Division.
10:57:22 No second.
10:57:23 Alright, it's been moved in second. All in favor of the motion on the floor? I indicate by saying aye.
10:57:28 Hi, bye.
10:57:29 Can you post? That is unanimous.
10:57:34 Thank you.
10:57:37 Have a great week.
10:57:35 Oh, thanks, Pinki. Thanks all.
10:57:36 Thank you. You too.
10:57:42 Okay. You guys want to keep tag team at?
10:57:46 Do we? Need to go in a specific order. I kept hearing things references to specific orders.
10:57:55 Hmm. Oh, okay. So just go down the list. We can start with sheriff.
10:58:03 I'll move to approve an ordnance. I'll move to approve an ordinance relating to sheriff's fees and chapter 3.7 0 Jefferson County code and fees for alarm system registration
and chapter 3.7 0 Jefferson County code and fees for alarm system registration and renewal in chapter 8.8 0 Jefferson County code and fees for alarm system registration and renewal
in chapter 8.8 0 Jefferson County code and fees for alarm system registration and renewal in chapter 8.8 0 Jefferson County code
10:58:14 and appendix fee schedules repealing section 7 safety fees for alarm registration and renewal in appendix fee schedules and amending Jefferson County code 3.7 0 dot 0 1 0 and
Jefferson County code 8.8 0 point 0 3 0.
10:58:28 I'll second.
10:58:30 All right, the ordinance has been moved and seconded. All in favor indicate by saying aye. Hi.
10:58:35 Hi.
10:58:37 The posts. All right. I'll see you.
10:58:39 I am happy to move that we approve a resolution adopting a fee schedule for the Jefferson for the county sheriff.
10:58:48 I'll second.
10:58:50 All right, been moved and seconded to approve the resolution. Indicate by any all in favor indicate by saying aye.
10:58:56 Hi.
10:58:56 Hi. Also unanimous.
10:59:03 Okay, I have, well, this one shorter though. I am happy to move to approve an ordinance relating to Jefferson County auditor fees and fee schedules.
10:59:14 Repealing and replacing ordinance. Number 11 dash 1 0 0 8 dash 12 and repealing section 6.
10:59:22 Of Appendix fee schedules.
10:59:25 I'll second.
10:59:26 All right, have a motion on the floor. Seconded. All in favor indicate by saying aye.
10:59:31 Hi.
10:59:31 Hi. New post. I'll see you unanimous.
10:59:36 I move to approve a resolution adopting a fee schedule for the county auditor. I'll second.
10:59:43 Then moved and seconded to approve the resolution on the floor. All in favor indicate by saying aye.
10:59:48 Hi.
10:59:49 Okay. Alright. Any opposed? That's also unanimous.
10:59:55 Okay, I feel like Kate continues to need a break, so I am happy to move to approve an ordinance relating to county clerk's fees and chapter 3 dot 42 JCC and Jefferson County
Appendix fee schedules repealing section 9.
11:00:13 Clerk's fees and appendix fee schedules and repealing JCC 3. Dot 42 dot 0 9 0 and 3 dot 42 dot 1 0 0.
11:00:25 Oh, second.
11:00:31 Hi.
11:00:26 All right, all in favor of the motion on the floor, indicate by saying aye. Hi, Also unanimous.
11:00:36 I'll move to approve a resolution adopting a fee schedule for the county clerk.
11:00:42 I'll second.
11:00:43 All right, we have a resolution that's been moved and seconded. All in favor indicate by saying aye.
11:00:49 Hi. I'm
11:00:49 Hi. All right, that's both. Also unanimous. Alright, go ahead.
11:00:56 I am happy to move that we approve an ordinance relating to Jefferson County fees and fee schedules under the Public Records Act pursuant to 42 dot 56 dot 0 7 0 and 42 dot 56
dot 1 2 0 and repealing section 8 of Appendix fee schedules.
11:01:17 A second.
11:01:19 All right, we have an ordinance. And moved in second. All in favor indicate by saying aye.
11:01:24 Hi.
11:01:24 Hi, near post. Also unanimous.
11:01:29 Move to approve a resolution adopting a fee schedule for the public records request pursuant to RCW.
11:01:37 42. Dot 56 dot 0 7 0 and 42 dot 56 dot 1 2 0.
11:01:43 I'll second.
11:01:45 Okay, all in flavor of the motion on the floor indicate by saying aye
11:01:49 Hi. Hi.
11:01:51 Any opposed?
11:01:56 Does that take us through?
11:01:58 I think it does. It looks like.
11:01:59 Excellent. Well, the hearing already been closed. So thanks to all to, Barbara.
11:02:11 She's doing well and Philip thanks for for helping us shepherd this through and to all the different staff members.
11:02:16 This is, as Kate said, you know, the goal is to make it, our county work more transparently and smoother.
11:02:23 And I think this is a good step. So appreciate everyone's work.
11:02:29 Thank you, Commissioners.
11:02:28 Thank you, everyone. Thanks for being here.
11:02:31 Alright.
11:02:36 Thanks, Phillip.
11:02:34 Wish I could be there with you.
11:02:38 You're welcome.
11:02:40 Okay. And, did you have something else to say, Phil?
11:02:45 No, I'm just waiting to be demoted.
11:02:47 Okay. And motion progress.
11:02:47 Okay. Please excuse me. All right. Great, well, we didn't quite finish calendaring.
11:03:00 Okay.
11:02:59 Do we want, I guess, I think I've finished. Kate, how do you want to take a look at your Upcoming week.
11:03:05 Sure, I can do that.
11:03:09 The
11:03:14 Okay, so obviously. Here with you today. And then at 1230 I'll do the pre.
11:03:25 Certification meeting with the auditors office pre-campacing board certification. Upstairs. And then tomorrow morning we have a public infrastructure fund meeting.
11:03:38 And a number of funding proposals to consider. Then I'm in the middle of the day.
11:03:47 I have. I might have a community. Hanging chads on my calendar. And then at one o'clock tomorrow I have the election certification.
11:04:03 With the auditors office again upstairs. And then in the afternoon we have a Jefferson Transit Authority Board public hearing on the budget.
11:04:12 At 1 30 And then I have a meeting with a constituent regarding the shoreline master program update process.
11:04:22 I have 4 and that's tomorrow and then the following morning Wednesday we have a budget meeting. Are you good to take minutes at that?
11:04:34 Then it's the great. Perk petite big potato lunch at noon on Wednesday. And.
11:04:43 And then I am taking Thursday and Friday off. And leave in the county for a minute. Minute.
11:04:50 Good for you. Go into Walla Walla with Ike to deliver all the. New artwork to the Foundry.
11:04:56 Okay.
11:04:56 Cool. All right, Kate, how does your week look?
11:05:01 Yeah, so I might listen in on the Piff meeting tomorrow morning, to hear your proposal, Greg.
11:05:09 And then we'll be joining you at the Transit Authority Board public hearing. And then have a Port Townsend Empower Teams coalition meeting in the afternoon, Wednesday morning,
budget meeting, then meeting with the transit authority to start scoping the climate action plan, which will be working on.
11:05:30 And in the afternoon, the special housing fund board meeting is, do we really anticipate that being too hours long?
11:05:39 I mean the action won't be 2Â h long. We haven't had. Committee updates there's like that some of the committees have have quite a bit of backlog updates.
11:05:52 So I hope it won't be that long, but it could be. But if you need to leave, we'll be done with action, soon.
11:05:57 Okay.
11:05:58 Okay. Yeah, and unfortunately conflicts with our child care meeting too. So, Might have to tag team a little bit on that.
11:06:09 What time would you need to get it out?
11:06:11 Well, it's at the same time, so I guess. Well, I'll see if Amanda is planning to attend that.
11:06:20 It's a pretty important conversation. Do we have any sense, Caroline, of Quorum at the Housing Fund Board?
11:06:29 No, I haven't been told either way. I think we would have had less of quorum last week.
11:06:37 That's what we had to move it to this week.
11:06:38 I heard that, unable to make it this week. So we're We're dancing on it.
11:06:41 Okay, I just that my childcare meeting is really important too. Yeah. Try and make sure we have some county representation there.
11:06:52 Is there.
11:06:53 Hey, just, I mean, we can, well, we'll be down with the action. Quickly with the housing fund board.
11:06:59 So if we need to adjourn. You know, we can be done within an hour.
11:07:05 I can commit to that.
11:07:05 Well, that's the same hour that the child care meeting is something I mean I'm free tomorrow or was this Wednesday afternoon Wednesday afternoon is there something I I mean
I'm not it up to speed on.
11:07:17 Either issue necessarily, but happy to. Jump in if it could be useful. To either. Thank you.
11:07:27 I'm not sure how the housing fund board works with. I don't know if it's any commissioner can be there.
11:07:36 Right. Okay.
11:07:33 Not sure if we've had that question before, so we could maybe Carolyn could consider that and you know offline you guys can figure that and you know offline you guys can figure
out and if If it's not a big deal, highly could fill in for you.
11:07:44 I mean, we're just discussing. The recommendations I responded to in public comments, so it's not like there's a lot of.
11:07:49 Yeah.
11:07:50 Homework needed.
11:07:52 Yeah, yeah. Also Kate, do you have comments you can provide before the meeting and I can share it with the rest of the group?
11:07:59 Yeah, but it's, I mean, you know, this is really just trying to, make some changes to conform with how finance or finance team is interpreting.
11:08:10 The rules on the project so I'm totally happy to support that You know the need for their those who are audited to be, to be comfortable with the recommendations.
11:08:23 That meeting just in case. 2 30. Sign me on the board and committees list. And we show that Greg and Kate are there.
11:08:34 Appointed people for that board. I'd have to look into if we can have ID. Okay, that'd be great if you're able just I don't want them.
11:08:48 I haven't held on my calendar so if I get the high sign from anyone else I'm being there.
11:08:49 Great. Thank you.
11:08:50 Cool. And if we have a quorum, we can just. Excuse cake too, you know, so.
11:08:54 Great, thank you. Let's see. I have a, legislative priorities discussion with the pew at some partnership on Thursday morning.
11:09:04 A Jefferson Community Foundation does a different childcare convening. Of various childcare projects across the county.
11:09:15 The youth age band continues to meet from our previous chip process. Thursday midday. Then the second scoping meeting for the Jefferson Transit Climate Action Committee scoping
meeting and then a fairgrounds meeting on Thursday evening.
11:09:32 And I do wanna. Leg to come back to a discussion on the fairgrounds. Today if we have time Friday I am taking off for the last of my, the fellowship that I've been doing on
American democracy and some begun Friday although taking some calls and meetings from the road.
11:09:55 On my way to Sankedia where I'll be deep in. Academic discussions all weekend long.
11:10:02 Sounds fun. Yeah.
11:10:08 Okay.
11:10:05 I still have a couple 100 pages to read. Yeah, Craigging is like, I cause it.
11:10:14 Alright, Actually, can we take a brief break and then we'll go to Mark. I we haven't heard Mark's calendar or briefing and then we can also discuss that one of the topic but
I'm kind of desperate for a quick little break.
11:10:26 Can we reset? Yeah, reset for 5Â min. We'll be back at 1115.
11:15:35 I just went in the men's bathroom for the first time. Oh, it's bigger. The sink in the women's bathroom was broken. Thank you.
11:15:45 Yes.
11:15:46 So I just had to rinse the soap off my hands. I think the women's bathroom was broken. Thank you.
11:15:54 So, you know, I just had to rinse the soap off my hands
11:15:54 Okay. You guys don't have a lounge? I always assume that the women's room is so much more spacious than the men's room, you know?
11:16:00 It is way smaller. You have 2 stalls. We have 2 plus the urinal. Yes.
11:16:13 Yeah. Okay.
11:16:08 We should have something equal. I mean, I'm all about already. Nursing couch too. Well, fainting counts could be used for that.
11:16:22 Yes.
11:16:24 Hmm.
11:16:22 Yeah. All right, well, everyone's back. Call us back into session and we'll pass it over to Mark.
11:16:31 Sorry, I didn't, I neglected to ask you how your last week was, Mark, but why don't you take us through last week and this coming week as well?
11:16:37 Okay, well it won't take long. It was a short week and Monday was the board meeting of course.
11:16:43 Tuesday, Sarah, Melissa and I traveled out to the sheriff's office to hopefully wrap up negotiations with our smallest bargaining unit, Sheriff's Ad Men, which only has currently
2 members.
11:16:57 But we've had twice as many meetings with that group as we did with UFCW. And then back to the courthouse to meet with Judy Shepherd to talk about budget changes.
11:17:09 One of which Kate might mention when we talked about the fairgrounds in a few minutes. And then I met with Willie Bennett to talk about the hazard mitigation plan that the port
is anxious to have completed because it needs to be a complete product.
11:17:25 Prior to them submitting their brief grant for the armoring the waterfront. So that's pretty important task on Willie's desk.
11:17:36 And then on Wednesday met with Josh Peters who over DCD matters and then met with Kate and Amanda Christopherson and Judy Shepherd.
11:17:46 To talk about admin charges for grants, a good meeting. I think it led to a good outcome.
11:17:54 Continuing on for this week, a short board meeting today. Once we adjourn this afternoon, I will.
11:18:02 Begin work on the PowerPoint, the budget message for Mondays budget hearing on December fourth. And that'll take me through to Thursday doing that work.
11:18:13 Tomorrow pip meeting. 809,000 up for grabs. We I think we have 5 proposals totaling what a million 2 or so.
11:18:25 So that'll be a fun meeting. How much do you have to distribute? 809,000.
11:18:29 And then I'm going to have lunch with Mr. Morrow, city manager for Port Townsend.
11:18:35 And then a short attendance at a 18 meeting and then. Anna Mchenry is asked me to attend.
11:18:45 Accessible communities. Committee meeting because Carl Hanson, I guess after what, 27 years or so is, hanging it up and No longer gonna serve in that capacity, so we need to
appropriately recognize his service.
11:19:03 Then on Wednesday, budget committee to look at the continuing good news on the budget front at least for now.
11:19:11 And then a meeting with. Monty. Commissioner Brotherton and, Kevin Street.
11:19:20 From PV to talk about consumer operations. And then the child care meeting in the afternoon. I hope to attend that, but may not.
11:19:28 Then on Thursday, Jeff come admin board meeting. I'll attend that for. Sometime and then I'm gonna jump off to meet with.
11:19:37 Josh Peters and then. Might attend the integrate placeholder meeting. To hear about intergo process and progress.
11:19:50 And I know I have to schedule the workshop with the board on, and we'll do that later in December.
11:19:57 And then, we're gonna do applicant review for the central services director position on Friday.
11:20:06 How many applicants do we have? I think we're looking at 2. Okay, so the same number.
11:20:11 Cliff Moore and Proffman. That down to the 2 that are really most qualified.
11:20:18 And then the sewer is that for the had luck store? Or Brandon? There. Brennan and Headlock. Okay.
11:20:26 Just to cement an understanding about what we're looking for from the PFT. And Monty will be in that meeting.
11:20:34 Okay. Yeah, and I think I think we're like this. We just need to. Conduct this meeting and, submit that and then potentially, draft an agreement with PD.
11:20:47 Okay. Soment that into a legislatively approved arrangement. Local or something along those lines.
11:21:00 And you just said PFD. Sorry. You just said the PFT. Operating sewers.
11:21:09 Okay. So that's not through the . Okay. I'm just
11:21:17 Just check in.
11:21:14 Yeah. All right, you want to take us? Oh yeah, this week. Great.
11:21:24 Okay, so we want to talk a little bit about the fairgrounds agreements.
11:21:28 Yep, so, hopefully tomorrow evening, the programs will be approved some suggested edits to the agreement that the county has with them to bring back to us and to Han Zucker
for consideration.
11:21:47 The edits that Mr. Hunsucker recommended require a lot of, a lot more work on the part of the fairgrounds.
11:21:56 Largely some of the kind of liability concerns that he brought up. Which we've heard about. You know, that, for example, needing to comply with the public records act, but not
OPMA.
11:22:14 There's a lot of, review of contracts at the county will be requiring. So a lot of back and forth shepherding documents and the fairgrounds board.
11:22:28 Really, really feels like requiring that much additional work. Yeah, is reason to ask for the county to be supporting the fair grounds to a larger degree.
11:22:42 And so we did some research into how other counties handle their, their fairgrounds. You know, there's a statute that governs how the responsibility that counties have to provide
a facility for fair or for county fairs.
11:22:59 And, so the fair board is requesting that the county pay for one FTE or about $100,000 per year.
11:23:11 Salary and benefits for an FTE. I don't know if we want to get that specific and how those funds are spent, but in order to do the work that is required to maintain that facility.
11:23:24 Paying for one FTE seems like, I agree, a reasonable request and much less than many counties pay to support their fairgrounds.
11:23:32 We are outliers. And in the amount that we have supported it to date, you know, we have been paying $10.
11:23:42 Plus a small escalator for many years. We agreed to 50,000 this year, which we haven't paid yet because we have not completed.
11:23:49 The operating agreement. So we're motivated to get that done by the end of the year. But looking at other counties even, counties of similar size to ours, they often have.
11:24:02 You know, 2 or 3 staff working on the fairgrounds. And, you know, hard to say if that's entirely if it's full-time or not, but tend to have a lot greater investment, you know,
expecting the fairgrounds to be able to do any capital improvements with a kind of halftime staff person is crazy.
11:24:25 You know, it's that's it's kind of all they can do to just keep their head above water for operations, much less.
11:24:29 Capital projects there so in the past the fairgrounds manager has only been a half time position no, so, there's There been a number of different, it's taken a number of different
forms.
11:24:44 There's been a lot of, there's been more volunteer. Effort in the past, you know, which, which was great, but then led to kind of an insider club forming that, you know, then
the county didn't feel they had access to, you know, we're really moving towards a more professional model of, you know, really being a community.
11:25:04 Resource which requires a different type of management that so this one FTE that would be proposed that the county supports would be would they be mostly administrative focus
or?
11:25:18 Yeah, so I think there's some question as to whether, you know, we kind of beef up.
11:25:20 So Brian Carey is the current manager doing a great job. Do we kind of beef up his position into more of an executive director or keep him, I think he's still 32Â HA week, which
a lot more during fair season and summer, less this time of year, or keep him where he is and bring in more admin support for him.
11:25:40 You know, I think that fair grants would. Need the flexibility to to decide on that kind of staffing and you know there are other revenue sources but it's it's tricky to make
that place pencil you know it's a big facility a very old facility.
11:25:57 It's, you know, it's seen a lot more. Use currently. It's the board is doing a good job of making it more accessible to a wider variety of community-based programs.
11:26:08 Right. Yeah, but that's it's taking a lot more management. So, I think being in line with some of our other rural counties and supporting it to the tune of $100,000 is something.
11:26:17 I would love to see. Us be able to do in years moving forward. Mark and I talked about it.
11:26:23 I think we want to. Consider, you know, in the contract that we can't promise this every year that, you know, that it is subject to.
11:26:34 Yeah, availability accounting funds but Yeah, so I don't know that we need to approve that here, but would ask for your support and including that in a budget.
11:26:43 Be highlighted on Monday. And then, are there, so one FTE that we would cover, is there a proposal for other capacity at the fairgrounds or no.
11:26:58 So I think maybe it would be in the form of like, at the fairgrounds or no. So I think maybe it would be in the form of like, say, raising that to $100,000, which could be for
staffing, but also, you know, the Department of Agriculture does some grants. They're competitive.
11:27:08 It's always a very uncertain amount that tend to be for capital projects. But you know, if those changed and we're funding more administration, then maybe we'd want to put county
money into some sort of capital project.
11:27:36 Instead, I just, for example, like, I think the flexibility would be good, but with the understanding that, getting, more, So I'm still, look, I saw the same question I had.
11:27:37 So. Understand an increase in the county commitment to it is there. Is it still just one FTE working at the fairgrounds?
11:27:42 It might be 2, like, would be equivalent of 1.5. So would there be maintenance capacity at the fairground?
11:27:52 I'm sorry, and there is maintenance. I'm sorry, there are ideas. So there's probably 2, 2 FTEs right now.
11:27:57 So there's about a half time FTE. A half time maintenance person.
11:28:04 Currently at the fairgrounds. I was just trying to understand what this capacity would be allocated for and what it would be in addition to.
11:28:09 I think they need the flexibility to decide. On a regular basis what what the need is partly dependent on other grant funds available.
11:28:18 They did get funding to build a new horse arena. I just got that sizable grant from the WSDA, which is great, but didn't get one for more bathroom repairs.
11:28:30 Oh, good news, bad news. And how is the, just because we don't talk about this very often, I have questions, but.
11:28:36 There I know. Gathering places out there and are there other leases that have been put in place?
11:28:44 A number under negotiation. So, the pump track could be one. There's a recording studio that's interested in leasing some space and doing some leaseholder improvements.
11:28:59 Gathering place still in process. Those are the long-term leases and the way we have the agreement written right now is that the county will prove any long-term leases.
11:29:12 The fairgrounds can do events in short term things. Yeah, and the cell tower is still. Yep.
11:29:18 So, yeah, just taking what 3 years. But we've got some designs now and seems to be moving closer.
11:29:29 Yeah.
11:29:27 Cool. Yeah. Well, I mean, I would be supportive of. Expanded support for the program.
11:29:35 So I don't know if we wanna. Vote on it or
11:29:37 Hello to see the proposal, but, yeah, I'm generally supportive as well. I think it's a you know, Keystone, it's how we, you know, share support from all over the county, even
if something's in a specific place, right?
11:29:50 Yes, and we are required by statute to do this as well. So I think it's partly our obligation.
11:29:59 Sounds good.
11:29:58 Right. Hopefully have the draft. I think you remember that operating agreement just agreement.
11:30:10 To share with you next week as well. And then you see it in the budget. That Mark's preparing.
11:30:16 Great. Thank you.
11:30:25 Okay.
11:30:16 Sounds great. Alright, can I ask I guess both of you I've never been to a Piff meeting before I don't really know what these presentations are supposed to be.
11:30:31 Hmm.
11:30:27 I'm not gonna have a presentation like a slide deck or anything. What are these? I just, I only learned about the meeting looking at the, you know, AV capture this weekend and
saying it was scheduled for Tuesday.
11:30:39 So what, what is the normal presentation? Format.
11:30:43 Well, they vary, Greg. Some people have PowerPoint slides. Some people use. Text language.
11:30:55 Some people just deliver an oral presentation with no supporting material. Your Your concept, I don't think there there was material in it that would lend itself to a PowerPoint.
11:31:09 Unless you wanted to crystallize. The main points and to maybe a 3 slide presentation. Maybe you could have chat GP, take a shot at creating a PowerPoint.
11:31:21 Yeah. Okay.
11:31:20 Yeah, I could probably bring a visual or 2 just to show the specific infrastructure that we're talking about.
11:31:29 Yeah, that would be helpful. And then if you have an aerial of what what Glencoe looks like currently where that infrastructure might nest.
11:31:39 Yep.
11:31:39 You know, you know, physically in in the area.
11:31:46 Sounds good. Okay.
11:31:47 And then I did share. You know, the concerns that Aaron had about complying with RCW on.
11:31:55 You know, linking a design to specific infrastructure. So if you if you check that box, I think you'll you'll do fine.
11:32:03 We'll do. Okay. Thanks. Anything else?
11:32:10 Well, I saw that we had boards and committees on our agenda.
11:32:14 Thank you.
11:32:17 Clicked. I opened it and it looks. Like things are getting significantly. I mean, I don't know why.
11:32:24 Started. Digging into this as a project a while ago, but I feel like. I think it's ADL, the staff person managing boards and committees now?
11:32:34 Wendy has taken it over. She's doing a great job of organizing all the boards and committees and she's in charge of that list that you see.
11:32:40 Organizing all the boards and committees and she's in charge of that list that you see.
11:32:44 So if there's any changes, please let me know and we can let her know. Okay. So it seems like there are a very, there are far fewer vacancies on this list than the last version
I saw.
11:32:53 Which is good news.
11:32:55 Excellent.
11:32:59 Looks like that district 4 weed bar C is still open, Greg, if you're hankering for it.
11:33:03 Just trying to get my wife is more involved in ag than me to do it, but, I might still have to, sign up.
11:33:14 I'm obviously dragging my heels.
11:33:15 Okay.
11:33:14 Hmm. And then PIF needs the district 3 person still. As well.
11:33:20 I saw that just, yeah. I do have a person. I think would be great for that. So.
11:33:31 Do we know swack or MRC? Okay, those needs are swack looks like it needs an alternate.
11:33:39 But alternate to which. Oh, I don't know. And, so, MMRC to up.
11:33:47 Such a big board, but yeah, no, I don't know what to are. Okay, that doesn't mean they generally.
11:33:54 Try to fill those first, right?
11:33:58 Same with Swat.
11:33:58 And I don't know. That left one board is. It can't be someone who's Hello, law enforcement or firefighter professional.
11:34:08 So it's it's almost impossible. Phil, I think that one.
11:34:12 Is there any way that is that us? Statutorily required board.
11:34:21 Okay.
11:34:20 Is there any way to review? We review, you know, can we change that board or which one?
11:34:27 Yes.
11:34:28 They're gonna ask, Kristen. I mean, we need it because we've got, you know.
11:34:34 9 retired firefighters and law enforcement professionals from that old left one. In that left one group.
11:34:42 So it is required. But I mean, we have a quorum, you know, with, we have one city council member and me and a retired firefighter and a retired law enforcement officer on it.
11:34:52 So we're fully functional. The. The. The citizen can't be associated and it's just it so rarely and when it does there's so little work that it's pretty hard to.
11:35:04 Motivate anyone to take that seat I think.
11:35:08 And how are things with the board of equalization? We have an interested party. Great.
11:35:16 I just got that email over the weekend. I haven't looked at it yet. And they have questions.
11:35:22 And then behavioral health has one vacancy. What seat is that? Excuse me.
11:35:31 Trying to figure out what seat that is.
11:35:36 It might be good if there's a vacancy where it says vacancy district or. See, So we know what the vacancy is.
11:35:48 Because it just has one vacancy, but we have no idea. And if we're expected to review and help fill these seats, it would be helpful to know what we're trying to fill.
11:36:12 Yeah.
11:36:07 Well, it looks a lot better than it did the last time we looked at it. So. Kudos to all the staff and committees that are filling their positions.
11:36:17 I appreciate that.
11:36:21 Another, you know, I feel like it's ridiculous how often I talk about how many committees each of us is on and I talk about how many committees each of us is on and I'm tired
of talking about it and I'm like, is there any way to consolidate any of these committees, but it doesn't.
11:36:33 I'm looking at it now saying maybe I'm not to even think that would be.
11:36:40 Yeah, so many of these are statutory, but. Are there others that are?
11:36:49 We have more control over.
11:36:55 Yeah.
11:36:54 One thing I was gonna ask you earlier, cause you mentioned the climate action. So I remember in my first year as a commissioner, we reviewed climate action goals for the county.
11:37:06 How do we review those or see how we're doing against those? We just do it on every 4 year basis or.
11:37:14 It's We're trying to do them every 2 years. And I think, you know, I think COVID just made it harder to do those.
11:37:24 So, and then the COVID action committee took on the forest and trees report and did some other work so, and then the climate action committee took on the forest and trees report
and did some other work.
11:37:33 So, and then the climate action committee took on the forest and trees report and did some other work.
11:37:34 So little bit behind and it always takes like a year for some of the jurisdictions to get their goals.
11:37:35 And so little bit behind and it always takes like a year for some of the jurisdictions to get their goals.
11:37:39 And so it there ends up being a lag period. And I'm not sure if we've.
11:37:41 Talked about. They do track them though, like we're supposed to report. You know, so we create goals and then supposed to report after 2 years.
11:37:50 So maybe that's coming up in 24. Cause I came up when Carolyn and I were talking about recycled paper.
11:37:56 Maybe like 6 months ago. I remember when we had to reorder paper and I said, well, the reason that I advocated for that because is it would contribute to our.
11:38:03 Climate action goals for the commissioner's office and her point was it's hundreds of dollars more and I'm like well it's in my mind worth it you know and I'm just wondering
how we try and and still.
11:38:18 Something as symbols, recycled paper in more offices than just the time dinky little commissioner's office.
11:38:26 And I don't know what efforts there are. Writ large. On the other climate action goals, cause that was just one that I.
11:38:33 Jumped up and down about. But yeah, yeah, no, we should we should revisit it and we have a meeting.
11:38:41 Next week, I think, or first week of December. So would be good. Cause I've seen fleet fleet goals and yeah, we've got a bunch.
11:38:54 So, we have 2 years to implement and report on. So be interesting to look and see. Where as I'm learning now it's How long it can take to get a bus for transit.
11:39:03 You know, an electrical bus for transit and when could we actually estimate that you know where fleet would be some percentage electric and How would that track to our goals
and yeah, I'm just so.
11:39:16 Kind of curious how we track that stuff. So. Look forward to the next conversation. I've been here for 7 years.
11:39:27 One.
11:39:22 And do we still just have the one electric vehicle? Oh no, do we? They got the electric lift.
11:39:32 You know, lift went from generator and diesel generator to. Electric on one of the vehicles.
11:39:42 Hmm. But yes, slow going. Yeah.
11:39:45 I mean, that is a conversation though. I mean, we as we're going through the budget presentations too, you know, we heard.
11:39:51 I mean, you know, with with a tight budget increases it it's hard to make it pencil.
11:39:58 We've got to find a different way to incentivize it or require and I think I mean it's It's difficult for a department to make that leave.
11:40:04 I mean, I know that the Noxious Sweetboard, you know, had the opportunity and considered an electric vehicle, but it was cost prohibitive.
11:40:12 For their budget. Yeah. It's hard to when it's, you know, the life cycle cost is probably.
11:40:20 Comparable or even lower. But it's hard to front load that, you know, you don't see the savings.
11:40:28 Till further down their own. Would be interesting to know if any other jurisdiction have made better progress towards their goals.
11:40:34 You know. Found ways to, I don't know. There are grants out there. I don't know what what we could do to.
11:40:42 Speed it up.
11:40:42 Maybe if we just rejigger our depreciation and how we I don't know, I mean we can look at the system too and see, you know, if the lifecycle cost is cheaper, we can.
11:40:54 I don't know, try to find ways to backload that I guess
11:41:00 And we've been saying for a long time we need a policy whereby departments consider. 0 emissions via close first and I think we started down that road with Chris, lost momentum
there and then lost our fleet manager too.
11:41:16 Well, we have a new fleet manager joining us mid December. And, He will hear. Very early on.
11:41:25 I think I've already told him this that, we, need to renew our effort. And Amanda Christopherson has taken up the.
11:41:39 Okay.
11:41:36 The car charging grant the the ones that Chris started. Correct. And we're broadening that.
11:41:45 We've added additional chargers. But some, grants were submitted, correct? Oh, yes.
11:41:52 Yeah. But then there was added additional chargers. But some, grants were submitted, correct? Oh, yes. Yeah. But then there was added opportunity.
11:42:00 And, and Amanda's in, in touch with the granting with the firm that's working with the the firm that's working with the grinding ages.
11:42:05 So we go from 2 to 6. That's great. Yeah. I was worried about that.
11:42:10 Yeah.
11:42:07 Yeah, I saw her at the charger in Portland. And she said the same thing. Yeah.
11:42:15 She was going to Cape Flattery and I was going to forks. And we saw each other on the way back.
11:42:17 Oh wow.
11:42:26 That's funny.
11:42:19 Same place. Is that the Walmart? Okay, okay. I always just get sandwiches at sunny farms and we have our lunch date and the wall, you know, in the parking lot.
11:42:34 Yeah.
11:42:34 They're fast. Hmm.
11:42:37 Cool. Okay. Anything else for the good of the order? We're gonna have a busy week, busy Monday next week, you know, with our budget hearing in the morning and it looks like
2 30.
11:42:48 We're going to talk about the aquatic center. Is the tentative plan?
11:42:53 Right. I wanna have talk about legislative update, Kate. On our list.
11:42:57 Oh, thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Any.
11:43:02 Oh, I'm sorry I wasn't prepared for that today. I didn't see it on the agenda.
11:43:07 So they're hiding under boards and commissions. I think sorry. No worries.
11:43:08 Yeah. I don't wanna go kayak up the, Violua River anyways.
11:43:14 Right, yes. I think the good of the order is surfing. That's after. Great question, Brother.
11:43:18 Yeah. Booky boarding is about as risky as I get, but we were on the North shore and seeing some of those folks on that crazy.
11:43:28 When a North Shore it is just astounding. It is violent. Okay.
11:43:32 Wow. Yeah, maybe, maybe not the best time to take up surfing, Greg. Okay.
11:43:36 Yeah. Okay. Anything else for the good of the order?
11:43:43 I don't think so.
11:43:45 Alright, well. Thanks all good to see you guys. So is always a delight and with that we are adjourned.
11:43:54 We'll see you on.
11:43:53 Even more, even more delight when you're in tropical paradise.
11:43:57 Yeah, when I can walk out back to the tropics. Yeah, alright. We're hearing.
09:07:10 From Heidi Eisenhour, Jefferson County To All Panelists:
for those people on line - we are dealing with some tech issues. Stand by.
09:07:29 From Greg Brotherton To All Panelists:
on the laptop make sure the owl is the speaker and microphone
09:07:36 From Greg Brotherton To All Panelists:
in zoom
09:18:10 From Chambers To Mark McCauley(Privately):
Do you want to sit where Greg sits? Because of the mic issue
09:26:44 From Chambers To Greg Brotherton(Privately):
Julia raised her hand, but I think Heidi closed public comment
09:31:57 From Mark McCauley To Chambers(Privately):
Was public comment closed?
10:10:41 From Chambers To All Panelists:
PFD Discussion: 12/4/23 at 2:30 p.m.
10:10:50 From Greg Brotherton To Chambers(Privately):
copy
10:26:17 From Chambers To Mark McCauley(Privately):
Kees Kolff will need a microphone to call the BOH meeting to order
10:28:09 From Chambers To Greg Brotherton(Privately):
Reminder BOH will need to call their meeting to order after you open the Hearing
10:33:14 From Chambers To Greg Brotherton(Privately):
Can you bring over new BOH members in the attendee list if you see them?
10:36:49 From Chambers To Apple Martine, Jefferson County Public Health, WA(Privately):
Hi Apple - do you see others in the attendee list that should be brought over? Thank you - Carolyn
10:38:35 From Chambers To Heidi Eisenhour, Jefferson County(Privately):
No written hearing testimony received
10:38:49 From Chambers To Greg Brotherton(Privately):
No written hearing testimony received.
10:39:43 From Chambers To Glenn Gilbert(Privately):
Hi Glenn - can you tell me who is on BOH that is present today?
10:43:19 From Ken Hugoniot To All Panelists:
No comments
10:45:05 From Apple Martine, Jefferson County Public Health, WA To Chambers(Privately):
No I believe we are all here unless Alisa Hasbrouck is there..
10:45:51 From Chambers To Apple Martine, Jefferson County Public Health, WA(Privately):
Ok, she's a panelist now :)
10:46:32 From Chambers To Apple Martine, Jefferson County Public Health, WA(Privately):
Can you also please tell me which BOH members are in the audience/Panelists? I asked Glenn, but he didn't get back to me yet
10:49:09 From Glenn Gilbert To Chambers(Privately):
Commissioners, Libby Wennstrom, Amanda Grace, Kees Kolff
10:50:04 From Chambers To Apple Martine, Jefferson County Public Health, WA(Privately):
never mind!
10:51:23 From Apple Martine, Jefferson County Public Health, WA To Chambers(Privately):
Libby Wenstrom - City Council rep; Kees Kolff, BOH Chair and Hospital rep; Amanda Grace, Other Community Stakeholder rep; and the 3 commissioners.
11:09:37 From Chambers To Greg Brotherton(Privately):
Will you be available to finalize HFB agenda today, or should I ask Amy?
11:09:55 From Greg Brotherton To Chambers(Privately):
Did you send a draft?
11:10:02 From Greg Brotherton To Chambers(Privately):
I can.