HomeMy WebLinkAboutchat09:06:16 From Josh Peters to Hosts and panelists : https://www.commerce.wa.gov/serving-communities/growth-management/growth-management-topics/planning-for-middle-housing/
09:45:10 From Chambers : Link from DCD Director: https://www.commerce.wa.gov/serving-communities/growth-management/growth-management-topics/planning-for-middle-housing/
11:17:09 From Chambers to Greg Brotherton(Direct Message) : no hearing testimony received
11:17:22 From Greg Brotherton to Chambers(Direct Message) : copy
11:53:51 From Chambers to Hosts and panelists : December 11, 2023 at 1:30 p.m. is when we have Continued Deliberations and potential action re: 2024/2025 Biennial Budget
09:00:57 Alright, you could go. Alright, good morning everyone. I will call this the December, the fourth meeting of the Board of County Commissioners to order.
09:01:09 A little bit of housekeeping, AB captures still giving us some fits. So we're just on Zoom today if you joined us with Zoom.
09:01:17 That is great. If you're, you're not, well, I guess you're not with us.
09:01:22 We've got a couple of changes to the consent agenda or one more change, but a couple of changes to the consent agenda or one more change, but we will start as we always do with,
public, but we will start as we always do with public comment.
09:01:31 So we don't have anyone in the room today, public comment. So we don't have anyone in the room today, but anyone that's joined us online, you can hit the raise hand button or
star 9 if you're on the phone.
09:01:37 If to share public comment, you can have up to 3Â min for public comment on any topic. Be it on our agenda or not and we would love to hear from you.
09:01:45 So. With that, who is there anyone with us that would like to make public comment today?
09:01:57 No hands raised. Alright, well we will keep public comment open until 9 30 as is our practice. And you can raise your hand at any time and Carol will keep an eye out and bring
you over or if someone of course walks into the chambers in real life.
09:02:10 We can turn to the consent agenda and one of the items, Treasurer Preda asked us to pull, so the, where is it?
09:02:21 Item number 2, the resolution. Oh, no, I think it's 2. Number 2, it's the tax, the county properties surplus.
09:02:32 Certification. So there was not an actual price put on that, so there's there's a question to answer before we do that.
09:02:39 So as soon as we finish with public common and everything, Stacy Prayer will come over and, talk to us about that.
09:02:44 So any other questions or comments on the the consent agenda. Computer's not hanging up any part of this draft.
09:02:55 What was that? Good to see our last contract for ARPA come through, right? You sell one an internal one or 2, but yeah.
09:03:07 Sorry, to see that work moving forward.
09:03:10 Mr. Ramsay, I'm kidding. I mean, Mr. King, would you like to make public comment?
09:03:15 We've had no other public comment this morning, but we'd love to hear from you up here.
09:03:21 If that's what I like. Okay. All right. Yeah.
09:03:28 It seems like the housing fund board recommendations. Are. Good. I mean, I know there was a lot of discussion about these.
09:03:37 Or is there anything I need to review or it's the same thing that we had talked about. We rejiggered 3 awards.
09:03:47 So they were the same amount and then the other one for L 360 adjusted it down a little bit for their budget.
09:03:50 One thing that did come out of that that we'll get to. Later is there was a request for the unallocated.
09:03:58 190 odd $1,000. And so I think we're going to have a special meeting to open up that.
09:04:02 Rfp to try to get the last of those dollars out on the streets. But that will be subsequent work.
09:04:08 So this is just as expected. Okay. And not nearly enough to cover basic operations for a number of the projects listed.
09:04:15 So it's. Worrisome. It is worrisome and the recording fees going down even more.
09:04:21 Really means that especially that the emergency shelter level is. Really under funding for this most critical issue in our community.
09:04:31 That is true.
09:04:33 Any other questions? Good to see this. Great skate park and closing moving forward.
09:04:42 Oyster shell distribution can argue with that.
09:04:48 Well, have the here for conservation futures January second
09:04:54 And a December eighteenth hearing for the fourth quarter budget appropriations.
09:05:00 I will move to approve and adopt the consent agenda for December fourth, 2,023. Minus item number 2.
09:05:08 I will second that. Okay, it's been moved and seconded to approve and adopt the consent agenda minus item number 2 as presented.
09:05:17 All in favor indicate by Saint I. Aye. Aye. All right, I'll look to the, the virtual room and the, the real room and ask again if anyone wants to make public comment, would
love to hear from you.
09:05:29 Keep it open until 9 30 if anyone changes their minds and, I guess, well, yeah, we don't, we actually, we have some heavy heavy stuff on the agenda today, but not a lot of different
agenda items, the commitment letter from middle housing. I don't know.
09:05:49 You want to see if Josh wants to come over? You'll probably address that right now. This grant application.
09:05:52 Oh yeah. Gordon, you wanna make some public comment? Just question. Hood canal oyster company.
09:06:06 Guessing for Olympia oyster. When we did the big spread. I, you can buy, at oyster habitat enhancement.
09:06:25 Discovery. Oyster habitat enhancement. Discovery. So yeah, it must be.
09:06:29 The thing with Mr. Hayes, it's a little bit of scope creep. Good canal oyster did not factor their true costs, including taxes into the scope and payment.
09:06:38 So it's just an adjustment. Alright, we'll turn it to Miss Ball.
09:06:48 Welcome you have 3Â min to make public comment gene
09:06:51 Good morning, commissioners. I sent you an email on Saturday. I'm interested to know if you've had a chance to take a look at that and you know, as like, engage in this whole
discussion.
09:07:09 I am increasingly disturbed by the process. You would have come to find out is that, and please correct me if I'm wrong, as always.
09:07:24 But I think what I understand at this point is that this, what we refer to as a stirring committee.
09:07:30 Is a Hand picked group of people which represent the interests of Port Townsend. To the exclusion of the rest of the county.
09:07:42 And at the point which there was a consideration that the rest of the county would be expected to pass a ballot measure or pay for a tax.
09:07:56 There was no consideration to expand that steering committee group to include the voices of the community which the tax would be imposed on.
09:08:06 And I just, you know, I just cannot square that circle. And to make it worse, There's really no process by which there's any public input.
09:08:21 Or even allowed. I didn't even know that there was going to be a county wide tax proposal until the the middle of September and if I didn't know this How could the rest of the
county know it?
09:08:37 This is just not a reasonable. Process and I just, my god, I'm just speechless.
09:08:47 This whole thing is It just, it's, inconceivable that we could even be considering such a proposal.
09:08:56 Exclude the public. Of a hand picked group of stakeholders and even consider the option to move forward with putting this on a ballot.
09:09:09 You would you have no idea what what the residents, what the voters, what the taxpayers think about this.
09:09:16 You've got 321 respondents. I mean, really? I don't know.
09:09:24 I, you know, I hope you have some enlightening. Uplifting feedback for me this morning.
09:09:31 Really, I honestly do. But otherwise I just I don't get it. I just, I don't get it.
09:09:38 Thank you.
09:09:41 Thank you, Jane. As always, we'll respond to public comments after we hear them all. And anyone else in the room that like to make public comment today?
09:09:49 Mr. Canberra, come on up. Good to see you. Thanks for making the trip. I can't agree from Pulsing.
09:09:56 You pick up speaking the microphones. I can hear you. Thanks. I want to bring something to the commissioner's attention this morning.
09:10:05 As you know, the port is proposing a RV park down at the end of Linked longer at her back, Marina down there.
09:10:14 And the. They are proposing to expand and to change the use of the, the site.
09:10:27 And I believe that it's something that is should be compliant with. County code and also with any kind of shoreline regulations.
09:10:38 And here's why. Wrote some notes down here the application for example does not reflect the intention This is a material expansion, not a repair.
09:10:49 There's never been sewer puck ups for RVs anywhere on the property. The proposed campsites have never been impervious surfaces, only a grassy meadow.
09:11:00 This is a change of historical use. It's always been a multi-use picnic area and parking area.
09:11:07 The state statements in the application are at best misleading by omission and most informed readers would call them eyes.
09:11:16 The rest of the county, including other public agencies, would like to know how to cut in line and fast track a permit process like this one has been.
09:11:23 They are seemingly. I've seen the. I've seen the application.
09:11:28 And I've seen the the proposal and the site map and everything and it's it's a it's a change.
09:11:35 Because they are planning to expand out. And the uplands was there historically has been a.
09:11:42 Residents up there and they are adding in new sewer hookups which is a change of use. So, They are appear to be about to green light.
09:11:54 This project and it's my contention that They should be compliant. Have to comply with, any and all county regulate county code and also the shoreline regulations as well.
09:12:10 So. That's a All right. Thank you, Mr. Canberra. We can stick around for a few minutes.
09:12:19 We'll go, after we hear all the public comments, we'll respond to a public comments.
09:12:22 Anyone else like to make public comment this morning online? You can hit the raise hand button or star 9 if you're on the phone.
09:12:29 Alright. Folks, any response to Miss Ball and Mr. Canberra?
09:12:36 I can come in if you want and. Thank you, Ms. Ball. I, to call you Ms. Ball, Jean.
09:12:47 I, will agree that, that the staring committee did not do enough. That the steering committee did not do enough, outreach in South County. I agree.
09:13:00 And, I was a voice continually saying on the steering committee, I think we need to do more outreach in the county and I did not push that enough.
09:13:06 So I, wish that I had pushed harder on that. And you know, that we did not hire on that.
09:13:16 And, you know, that we did not hire the consultants, although we actually contributed and paying for it but I think that that was a something that I could have done better.
09:13:22 That said, I do think that the process is unfolding as it should. We are now in the public portion of receiving feedback.
09:13:34 So you said there was, receiving feedback. So, you said there was, you learned in mid September that there was going to be a county wide There wasn't.
09:13:43 There was going to be the exploration of a countywide text, which is what we are doing now and we are in the very midst of the public process of that.
09:13:51 And that is unfolding here in the BOCC over a course of many weeks, which is generally how we do these things.
09:13:57 Also how we generally do things is that Most of the work the county does is not done in a public meeting.
09:14:02 It is done in small group meetings where stakeholders are at the table trying to hammer out. A process or a solution.
09:14:11 And then we bring that to the public for response. So it was not secretive. It was, it's just.
09:14:18 Kinda how we work much of the time. And, and the important part is that we bring it to the public for feedback, which has happened.
09:14:29 A number of times in the city and is now happening in the county. The reason why we did not put it on the agenda today, even though we had discussed that we would, was that
there wasn't really any new information.
09:14:42 It felt like we were going to be providing an opportunity without really having any way to respond that we have had the opportunity to.
09:14:48 Respond with the information we have. We continue to get more public comments, which I appreciate. But next week we will be discussing it again.
09:14:58 And there is not a timeline. We are not being driven by. A specific timeline at this point and the steering committee meets this week and are interested in you know talking
about is there a way for right now which you know is entirely unclear because the public process is working.
09:15:20 So I think that's it on the, aquatic center, Mr. Canterbury.
09:15:25 I've not been following the process in the port, so I'm interested to learn more about that.
09:15:32 Generally we try to stay out of the permitting process because people don't like if it gets political, if, elected are putting, excuse me, putting their finger on the scale
of permitting processes.
09:15:44 So I, I don't have a lot to, substantive to respond, but we'll be following with interest as that process unfolds and maybe one of my seatmates knows if there will be a public.
09:15:56 Hearing or any sort of opportunity for the public to add on that.
09:16:02 And that hiding, I don't have any, I don't have any substance. Okay, the permit process.
09:16:12 I haven't I knew of the existence and I'll respond to but I don't really have any more information than Kate at this moment, but we'll follow up.
09:16:15 Yeah. So to Jean, I. Everyone thought I was having a long weekend last weekend, but I spent my time reading.
09:16:26 400 pages of all the steering committee minutes and all the public comments that have been received by all the surveys on the Aquatic Center in Port Townsend.
09:16:36 And I agree that the process has felt. And complete to me. And I think it was 2 weeks ago at our meeting.
09:16:47 It was. Presented that we they would prefer that we take a vote that day on a Public Facilities District, Countywide Public Facilities District to show our.
09:16:56 Confidence or support in that and I was like I'm not ready to vote I have so many more questions and so as I've read through all this material, I I have even more questions.
09:17:09 So I'm sorry I can't. Be clear on support or. You know, I still know I hear, I hear, I hear all the comments about We need a place for kids to learn, save swimming, it's great
for seniors to do.
09:17:24 You know, exercise and aquatic therapy. Be great for me. I just hurt my knee.
09:17:30 I mean, all these things are true. But to commit. The county voters. The county residents for a period of up up to 2 decades.
09:17:42 To a tax. At this point with the information I have, I just don't feel ready to.
09:17:47 To weigh in on that. So. But I'm doing my homework.
09:17:54 And I, I, whenever someone comes with a question about a permit, I go and pull it and look at it.
09:18:00 So I'm gonna do that, Ray, but I don't have information about that. Any updated information to what you have brought today?
09:18:11 Yeah, no, but I'll take a look at that. Yeah. Yeah, and I pretty much the same answer to you, Ray.
09:18:17 I mean, I knew of the idea of the project. I think largely that house contractors for the fiber word that PVD was doing.
09:18:25 So I think there was some municipal wind in the sales, but I don't know of this particular process.
09:18:30 I'll find out and get back to you. We do have, I don't know, Josh is with us if you have any update Josh.
09:18:38 I don't expect you to off the cuff either but you can raise your hand if you want to make an update on this.
09:18:43 Questions specifically. I think we understand. Oh, I see Josh. Gradually turning his camera on. I don't know, Josh, do you wanna, do you wanna give us a little update on this?
09:18:54 What you, what do you know?
09:18:56 Yeah, thank you, Mr. Chair. So as you know.
09:19:03 Greg Ballard is the development code. Administrator, so he's working on this case directly.
09:19:07 I do know we had a had a meeting with Board of Court towns and officials. Oh, I don't know.
09:19:14 Couple months ago, month ago or so just to hear about the project and since then they've submitted an application.
09:19:19 My understanding is, is that Greg has been in contact with the gentleman who made the comment. That's up last week, so.
09:19:25 He's working with the port on the application and I believe that the administrators decided that it fits into the.
09:19:34 Category of a shoreline permit exemption meaning No need for a substantial development permit or a condition use or a variance.
09:19:41 Under the Schrolymaster program, but a short line permanent extension which in our unified denom code is a type one permit process.
09:19:48 I believe that's what they're working on. I'm sure if you're interested, you know, as soon as those decisions are made or additional information is provided, then we can let
you know if you're curious.
09:19:58 Okay. I think we're all we're all curious. Maybe Greg could come back and, Give us an update on this and we'll we'll follow up on that.
09:20:08 Yeah, thank you, Ray. Alright. And to Gene's comments. I think Kate said it very well, you know, this is the process, you know, making the sausage in the public and so that's
what we're doing now.
09:20:23 I think, you know, hindsight being 2,020, we I think we could have all insisted on more geographic representation in this steering committee and both Heidi and I were along
the journey as we we made the decision about how we're going to do.
09:20:38 A representation and I think you know. A large part of it is because we have a pool that is, you know.
09:20:43 A great candidate for replacement. So I think that that maybe we're all guilty of some confirmation bias just of assumptions that, you know, then when tied in with the funding
is has made for Challenging conversations.
09:20:58 I've, I've had several challenging conversations and I think, you know, just the willingness to continue to.
09:21:02 Work through those conversations as how we can get to a pool. You know, it's like planning a tree, right?
09:21:07 When's the best time to plant a tree? 20 years ago? Second best is today. So, you know, let's keep working on it and see if we can find a way that we can.
09:21:15 We can get this really critical. Infrastructure bill, you know, it's like that.
09:21:21 The head-sucker proxy, right? For the kids. Okay. It's 9 21.
09:21:31 I'll make one more call. Anyone else with us that would like to make public comment today, anyone that we haven't heard from, we would love to hear from you.
09:21:38 You can hit. Star 9 or with the raise hand button. Virtual attendees are growing. I see Mr. Cheers.
09:21:47 Bring him over.
09:21:55 Morning, Mr. Tish. You have 3Â min when you get yourself unmuted.
09:22:00 Good morning commissioners. Yeah, one at all. Couple of quick comments.
09:22:07 I'm glad that, Commissioner Eisenhower can go over and just pull a Berman whenever she feels like it.
09:22:14 The rest of us don't really have the luxury. We have to submit records requests and so forth because The permit system is awfully out of date and not yet up and running on the
new software.
09:22:25 So that's something I really would like to see fixed. I asked a question about that. A few weeks ago and Haven't seen any progress reported.
09:22:33 Just a progress report would be nice as to where we stand on that whole effort of getting that. System back up so the rest of the public can actually see what you all can see.
09:22:44 For free so That would that would be very helpful. As far as making the sausage. With respect to this, the port towns and pool project.
09:22:56 We haven't seen the sausage being made and You know, yes, a lot of work does does go on behind the scenes, but mostly that's hopefully staff work.
09:23:07 That's not work involving. Committees that are making large decisions well in advance of their decisions being made public and then put out there for a few choices to be.
09:23:20 Evaluated. The process needs to be iterative. If you look at the Delphi method, okay, for coming up with decisions, it's supposed to be an iterative process.
09:23:32 And that simply hasn't happened except within the small group of the members of committee and that That's just a shame.
09:23:40 You know, it is the intent of Jefferson County. Have all of its meetings be open to the public.
09:23:46 It's stated right there in your open meetings. Recommendations for committees. Now I understand that this steering committee isn't a committee of the county and of course that's
how they get away with not complying with the open public public meetings act.
09:23:59 But that doesn't mean that that committee can't at least allow members of the public to attend their meetings.
09:24:06 But that apparently hasn't happened. In fact, public has been deliberately excluded. From attendance of attendance at those meetings.
09:24:14 And especially from attendance at the at the steering committee board of the executive committee, whatever, whatever that is.
09:24:22 And that's really disappointing. And I think that lack of openness, that lack of exposure.
09:24:27 Is a big part of the problem. There's a lot of distrust when that happens. So, you know, I think maybe you could do better in the future.
09:24:36 Thanks.
09:24:38 Thank you, Mr. Cheers. Anyone else with public comment to share right now? We would love to hear from you.
09:24:44 Come on up, Gordon. Mr. King.
09:24:48 Just the minor issue. Last week when I was trying to check, if there was a meeting.
09:24:57 On Monday, commission this meeting. It's I could get into the county website agendas but not for the current agenda and and same last week on a couple of different computers
that And there's been the same problem in the past that it comes up as a fault.
09:25:15 And it seizes up and so I assume from looking at last week the November the November agendas and minutes that there wasn't a meeting last Monday.
09:25:27 There was a meeting last Monday. So it's the minutes I don't see yet in November.
09:25:35 We have control with AV capture so it doesn't automatically populate immediately after the meeting so they're kind of a week behind.
09:25:40 Yeah so you just where were you trying to? Go to minutes, agendas and minutes.
09:25:50 And then it takes you into the Lays of fish. And then you go to last and didn't go to the 1855 ones.
09:25:58 But I did go to the November December 23 and I am yet to see anything on Last Monday's meeting there.
09:26:09 So and so I don't know how I was made to know I have the last few years I've found.
09:26:16 The Jefferson County website. To be probably you really have to know your way around it. Otherwise it's really not accessible, which is.
09:26:25 Makes it very difficult as I've mentioned in the past about yeah issues so so you know if you guys could fix that that'd be great.
09:26:33 But yeah, have a look yourself. I, maybe it's here, but I don't see it.
09:26:38 And when you go through laser fees now, you have to use the ID public and the password public.
09:26:41 And interestingly, if you go into current, it doesn't. Go to that password, but maybe that's So, and, but yeah, so if you go to the public, then you can get into the.
09:26:53 Different minutes and agendas but I didn't see on Friday maybe on the weekend I didn't see where last week's meeting was actually recorded there.
09:27:03 So and I think that one's not been published yet, but you Carolyn, AD capture which is our online streaming service hasn't been working.
09:27:12 So we're using zoom and if you stopped by the commissioner's office, that can tell you how to access it on laser.
09:27:18 But, on top of every agenda, it has the pathway on how to get to the BOCC meeting packets.
09:27:25 A step before that is VOCC zoom file. So we create an MP for the zoom.
09:27:31 So you can see that online too. Right, and the issue for me is, and as you know, the way that a few people know.
09:27:39 To get there then really it's not open to the public. I mean, an issue come down here which You know, we have an issue with that.
09:27:47 And I say about. But yeah, it would be nice. My issue was I couldn't even tell there was a meeting.
09:27:55 I assumed there would be, but then I couldn't see. I thought maybe half the commissioners had COVID or perhaps probably not half.
09:28:02 So on the calendar. Why not even capture? Yeah, I mean that's the quickest way to get there is from our home page. So the agenda is also on the calendar.
09:28:32 Why not even capture? Yeah, I mean that's the quickest way to get there is from our homepage on the there's a sidebar of options and the top one is videos of meetings which
drives me crazy that it doesn't say agendas or public meeting materials or something but actually if you click right on there it goes opens right to the past.
09:29:05 Yeah, but your point is taken. It's, it seems Laurentine, to get in and that's, we want to make it accessible.
09:29:24 So take a few feedback. And I just want to bring it to you. Okay. Thank you, Gordon.
09:29:25 Anyone else with public comment this morning? Hmm. Okay, anyone wanna respond to Mr. Teersch and any additional responses, Mr. King?
09:29:38 Yeah, I have probably been least involved in the software transition at DCD. So not super knowledgeable there in terms of progress or being able to report out the 2 of you have
been tracking that more closely, which I appreciate.
09:29:53 Just kind of a, you know, in the same, previous comments about, the Aquatic Center process.
09:30:00 There were no decisions being made behind closed doors at all. You know, their what the ultimate product was recommendations.
09:30:09 But even throughout that process, the consultants and the steering committee came to public meetings in this very body.
09:30:16 2 or 3 times before this. Current iteration. To talk with you to provide the public.
09:30:26 An opportunity to learn and ask questions. That's in addition to the public meetings that were held and in response to all of those meetings, changes were made to the design,
to the performer.
09:30:38 So there have been touch points for the public to engage. Again, I agree that we should have, when it became clear that the PDF seemed like the most feasible way to do this.
09:30:52 We, should have increased the geographic, representation on that steering committee agreed.
09:30:59 Thank you. Anything else? No, I've been having a lot of conversations about PFDs and MPDs and their potential revenue productions at different sizes and scales in the county
and no way more than I ever thought I would know about these 2 vehicles and still feel like we need to.
09:31:17 Conversation about what the best option is. So one of your emails, counted coup into the agenda. You see that?
09:31:24 Counted. It should have in the agenda like that with. Oh, I was talking to the shore aquatic center guy.
09:31:33 Educating me on the way that MPDs work and it was very interesting and I felt like, wow, this is great information.
09:31:40 I wish. Yeah, anyway, I wish I wish I wish. Yeah, well, it's not done yet.
09:31:47 We're still, and you know, as Commissioner Dane says, these decisions hasn't been made and if our pace is a little slower than some people want and a little faster than other
people want. That's just the way it has to be.
09:32:00 But it should be. Yeah. And I'll say 2 to the integral. I'll say 2 to the integral.
09:32:08 I've fallen. I'm not sure where it is right now, but maybe a workshop.
09:32:11 I've fallen, I'm not sure where it is right now, but maybe a workshop in the in the near term just to figure out where we're going.
09:32:13 I think we have not even got it up to the place like when we implemented it. It was still supposed to be a year away from full implementation when we had, you know, curbside
access to permits and we aren't even into that first.
09:32:20 You know, fully functional page. So I think we're still ways away from it, but I think it is time to maybe bring it into the into the light and get a little update on it in
this body.
09:32:33 Okay. Well, it's after 9 30. I will close public comment and thank you so much and and thank you Gordon too.
09:32:42 I do appreciate like us knowing how to navigate it is different than someone just coming in, you know, if you like, oh, my Facebook page doesn't work.
09:32:50 Well, you need to do this and then this. No, of course we need to make it so it works when you when you walk up to it with no experience.
09:32:56 So thanks. Okay, yeah, good. Thanks. Good to see, Ray. All right.
09:33:03 Well, we're going to go to our one pulled item from the consent agenda and. Please come up to the table folks.
09:33:11 So thank you very much. It's, pretty straightforward, but because, we don't have a policy written and it may not actually even be appropriate.
09:33:25 To have it, it makes sense to, it's a case by case basis. That this tax title property that is a tiny small triangle that is adjacent to the Larry Scott Trail.
09:33:38 The person requesting to purchase it is close to it. So there we go. They own, the 802 to the left.
09:33:52 Okay. So there is a right of way in between and clearly they will plan to ask to vacate that right of way at some point.
09:34:01 I do think they are the logical owner given that the road is open on Reynolds. And there is not, we've.
09:34:10 Consulted with public works and the assessors office with this and there's not a need for county use of this wedge.
09:34:20 So this would allow us to get it back on the tax rules. The question I had, I had.
09:34:27 Gleaned and 80% value or purchase price based on a policy kitsap county had. There's not something in statute.
09:34:40 You could ask for a hundred percent. You could ask for more. They offered a thousand dollars for it.
09:34:48 But I thought that using Kitsaps, 80% to 100% was a reasonable range. And it would be a legislative decision how much, you would want to set as the purchase price.
09:35:07 This doesn't all go to the county. It gets distributed per the levy rates. In that tax area when we do the sale.
09:35:17 So that would be 80% of the 47 25. Yes. Yes, so. And that's your recommendation, right?
09:35:28 Where's the $1,000 that then? Right. That basically the 80%, which I wrote in there is the $3,780 and clearly a hundred percent is 47 25.
09:35:45 Can I ask who paid for the appraisal? So we, it's the County assessors.
09:35:54 Value. It's not an I mean it's the county's normal work. Okay. That's couldn't do anything.
09:36:08 I'm not sure. Yeah, waste of an appraisal. Your appraisal would cost more than the, than the value of the property.
09:36:15 So be basing it on the 80% of the assessed value. Yes. Right. Hmm.
09:36:23 And the point is right now we're not getting anything for it. Just context, I know they've cleaned up a lot of things around there and I know they've cleaned up a lot of things
around there and I walk the trail frequently and it looks a lot nicer.
09:36:46 Yeah, I know they've cleaned up a lot of things around there and I walk the trail frequently and it looks a lot nicer.
09:36:46 Well, and that's how it became tax title. Would be back in 440 wow, Sounds like we might want to consider a policy on this as well. That sounds like we might want to consider
a policy on this as well.
09:37:05 Right. Well, I've actually, I've done this as well. Right. Well, I actually, Kitsak County is looking to rework that because.
09:37:10 I can see where in certain situations. You know, does it pass the straight base test that this is a reasonable price and because they can submit an application to purchase and
we can negotiate these.
09:37:28 Is this a case where we think if other people knew about it and could put an offer on it, they would want to purchase it.
09:37:37 I think in this case, no, but in other cases there might be. So it might be. Different conclusion for what we feel the price should be on a different one because we are holding
it in trust it's for the benefit of the taxing districts.
09:37:54 Yep. Would there Do you have any way of I'm just thinking like, you know, creating more.
09:38:05 Not conforming parcels can be challenging, right? So if that's sold as a separate standalone parcel, then it could check.
09:38:14 Will it be? It's already its own parcel. Right. Yeah, but I just wonder like, Is there any, I guess that has to go through the vacation process with the right away, but like
a boundary line adjustment or something to pull it into that.
09:38:31 Yeah. Well, so if you look, if you scroll down to the setbacks. I mean, it really should be in right now another 20 from the right away.
09:38:41 So that covers there's 0 that meets setbacks. So, and if you you know, create the problem, the health department doesn't give waivers.
09:38:54 Right. So it would not be buildable in any. Under any scenario that we would need to protect.
09:39:05 Community development won't say it's unbuildable till you prove it's unbuildable, but this is reasonable to assume there's not a good use for it.
09:39:17 Yeah, it's interesting. We're just with some regularity given grief about parcels that are not buildable and it's like, yeah, that was like.
09:39:27 I don't know, I wonder is there any sort of like, can, can there be something on the, on the deed or something that says as much just so you're not creating the expectation
that we're we are selling a parcel that has any vested.
09:39:40 Right. Although if I, I would be reluctant to add anything because we don't wanna do all the work to determine every possible use.
09:39:51 That's theoretical. It's really. When you apply do you meet the rules or not and you know we're selling it as is where is and If they decide it doesn't work for them or if the
vacation doesn't go through then.
09:40:13 They own it and they can stop paying taxes on it and we'll take it back. I mean, the thing is, the plot was there before the railroad right away before the trail right away.
09:40:27 And so it used to be a much larger, larger parcel. Do you think the purchasers understand the Oh yeah, constrained nature of the right.
09:40:40 I mean, they just wanna make sure they would just like to have it added on to there. So, The application actually came from, was it Harry?
09:40:51 Yeah, sorry, I don't have his name with me right now. But you know, it's the owners next door and it's really just trying to gain control over it so they own it.
09:41:07 So when people are dumping or things like that, they could maybe extend their fence, you know.
09:41:13 And it seems like it off might come with that little space between 2, right? When they do a vacation or whatever.
09:41:22 Which would come back to you, but. You know, it'll be under the rules of whether the.
09:41:26 Thank you, vacating right away. It's appropriate or not. We haven't done anything on that.
09:41:32 But we did. Consult twice with public works to make sure that Number one, they didn't want it.
09:41:41 And then number 2, I provided them with this agenda request for any comments and they were fine with it.
09:41:48 Okay, got a recommendation of the 80% based on Kitsap counties. Ordnance or resolution.
09:41:57 Other thoughts?
09:41:59 Seems very reasonable and you know anytime we can get to yes in a reasonable way. I'm glad.
09:42:05 Hmm. Welcome a motion if there's no more. I'm happy to make a motion that we Authorize.
09:42:17 The. You can see a resolution. Okay, Oh yeah, we can.
09:42:28 Happy. Happy to make motion and that we approve a resolution in the matter of The finding and determination to declare certain tax title property as surplus and authorized sale
of that property.
09:42:43 For how much? Parcel number 986-70-2702. For 75%, 80% of the assessed value.
09:42:59 The assess value being $4,725. So the 80% of that equals $3,780.
09:43:09 Good. That's a second. Okay, it's been moved and seconded because we didn't have this valuation in the consent agenda.
09:43:19 Okay, it's been moved and seconded because we didn't have this valuation in the consent agenda.
09:43:20 We will open it up for Any other questions or comments here? Talk to anyone with us online that would like to make comment on this particular agenda item.
09:43:27 You can hit raise hand.
09:43:30 Start 9 if you're on the phone
09:43:34 I see no public. Comment. I will close public comment and call the question. All in favor of approving the resolution in the sale amount of this property for $3,780 indicate
by saying aye aye aye aye all right that motion passes thanks michelle not sure i'm not sure if I've met Michelle so yeah so Michelle And she is our foreclosure avoidance deputy.
09:44:00 But also works on, you know, this became tax title because of foreclosure and so this is part of.
09:44:08 The scope of work she she has. Excellent. I think it's at foreclosure deputy on on the agenda.
09:44:14 I like foreclosure. Avoidance deputy is nicer. Yeah. And because it does actually reflect the bulk of the work that that position does. That's great.
09:44:30 Thanks, you guys. Okay. Thank you very much. Thanks for taking time.
09:44:33 Alright, is Mr. Peters with us still? We will move on to the other item that was originally on the consent agenda and I asked for it to be pulled off the commitment letter for
the middle housing grant application.
09:44:46 Just because you know I think we all care about this so I don't have any hard questions or anything for mr.
09:44:52 Peters, but would like to just hear a little bit about the kind of the new middle housing work of commerce and.
09:45:01 And this particular grant, if you if you don't mind, Mr.
09:45:05 No, thank you for the opportunity. I did place a Hi, perlink in the chat. So hopefully you can see it in the public can see it as well and it's just it takes you to the Department
of Commerce webpage dedicated to the middle housing program.
09:45:23 And so if people want more information, that's one avenue. I also included some. Supplementary information in the request, and like an FAQ for the application and so forth.
09:45:35 So middle housing it was on our radar screen before but not on the front part of it. Essentially because House bill, 1110 which passed last session.
09:45:47 Was really more for cities in our state. And less for counties. Although, you could say there were some requirements, I think, for the urban counties in central town.
09:45:59 But for us. We have an unincorporated urban growth area in the Fort Hadlock area.
09:46:05 And the only thing that we could pick out of that bill that we had to do was to ensure that The zoning allowed for 2 accessory dwelling units on each parcel.
09:46:16 Which we have it on our our plan to make that part of a revisitation of the urban regulations next year for the urban growth area.
09:46:26 As our sewer service is anticipated to come online. In mid 2025. So, however, that said, then commerce announced, I should, I should back up one more thing.
09:46:39 We were in consultation with staff at the city of Port Townsend for a possible joint application that would have had to do with middle housing.
09:46:46 So even though we weren't a qualifying entity ourselves, we were going to team up with Port Townsend.
09:46:52 To, basically be on their coat tails on an application, but they were advised that that complicated their application and some of the things we were talking about weren't eligible
activities.
09:47:03 So Port Townsend adjusted their application and they were just going to do their own thing. Then we got word that Department of Commerce opened up a second round of funding
for this middle housing program.
09:47:16 And so I did communicate with the program director. At commerce of this particular program to make sure that we were eligible for we spent any time on an application.
09:47:27 And it turns out that we would be then for our unincorporated. Urban growth area or UGA.
09:47:34 For some planning work. And so, he also clarified, of course, that we were sort of like the The lowest of the low in terms of the priorities because it's for those jurisdictions
that have to comply with a lot of the HB, 1110 requirements.
09:47:48 And then so forth and so on. And then cities, etc, this and that. So we're basically at the lower end of the.
09:47:54 Of the status there. But that said, they had a lot of funds available and those funds weren't used up in the first round which is why they opened the second round so after speaking
with the program director there and I did mention it to by the way the commerce director Mr. Michael Fong when he was here visiting with us a couple weeks ago happened to have the opportunity
to mention it to him, it's directly like, oh yeah, we're applying
09:48:17 for this funding. And he said, great, that's exactly what I should be for. So I don't think he probably doesn't have anything personally to do with the application process,
but I took that as a good good sign anyway that our our application was welcome.
09:48:30 So essentially I see it as fitting in like this. We have a dedicated allotment from the Department of Commerce for the 2025 periodic update that's required under the Growth
Management Act.
09:48:40 And that's, money is to be spent equally in this state fiscal year and the next fiscal year.
09:48:48 And, we also have applied for, as you know, climate planning funding as well, which was also an allotment for Jefferson County.
09:48:56 So essentially we have this pot of money that we're using and if we're successful in getting this relatively small part of money but important.
09:49:02 Then we will. Essentially be able to do this additional work and just means that we can spend the other funds that have been allocated to us through commerce for planning work
on other priorities.
09:49:15 So it fits in really well. And the sense that we want to take a look at our urban regulations anyway, and this is a specific component of that which deals with middle housing,
which is essentially, I put the definition in the agenda request itself, but it's essentially somewhere between single family residential development and you know full scale apartment
buildings and other things so it's kind of that in between we've got your duplexes
09:49:37 and your triplexes and your 5 plexes and 6 plexes and so forth. Townhouses basically the type of housing that our country used to build a lot of and hasn't for a while.
09:49:46 So. That's my intro. Sorry if I was long winded, but if you have any questions, let me know.
09:49:50 No, that's just what I was I was hoping for. Thank you, Josh. Any questions for Josh about this grant or mental housing in particular.
09:49:59 Yeah, and I've been interested in this bill and, followed it. Fairly closely. In part because my husband of course sits in Josh's seat in the city of Seattle and so this is
Pillow talk for us.
09:50:15 I am. I'm a little curious, I guess. Just that, you know, 4.5 million isn't a lot when you think about all of the cities and counties in the state many of whom are subject to
HB 1110.
09:50:32 Much more so than we are. So is there any way of knowing I didn't see anything here on kind of maximum awards and.
09:50:42 So any, any, any, any reason to think, like, is there, is it a small maximum award amount that means that they're going to, you know, they would be issuing 50 of these or kind
of what's besides the fact that the last round didn't get fully funded, which I think had a fairly short.
09:51:00 On ramp to it also and in part because a lot of the jurisdictions are updating their comprehensive plans right now.
09:51:06 It was it was tricky timing to add another. There's some question as to whether. They will have to implement 1110 for the 24 count plan updates but I assume you have some confidence
that, that, even if we're at the kind of bottom of the list that, that there will be enough funds to make it worth your while to invest in this.
09:51:26 Yeah, thank you. For the question, Commissioner Dean. So when I discussed it with the program manager, It was determined that because of our population and specifically the
population of our Port Hadlock, UGA that we be eligible for between 35 and $50,000 for this planning effort.
09:51:45 And so we asked for $50,000. It's possible that we could only get 35. Or 40 or some other number.
09:51:50 It's possible that we could simply not be not be funded at all because of what you just said.
09:51:56 Maybe those entities that just said maybe those entities that just didn't apply in the first round of all of us and be applying.
09:52:00 As in larger numbers. But that said, I was given, I guess, a certain amount of confidence that, we're in line for this funding and it's exactly what it was intended to do but
I guess you never know once you roll the dice it's unlike the other funding that I mentioned that that Periodic update funding and the climate planning funding was essentially allocated
to us and we simply just had to ask for it in
09:52:20 the right way, which by the way will still be coming back to you with those grant agreements. We're working on the periodic update agreement right now and we expect to hear
about the climate planning money.
09:52:30 So that's a little more secure, shall we say. And this one is a little bit more, it's a question of whether there'll be enough funding.
09:52:37 But again, even if we don't get funded, I don't, we'll still try to do some of the things.
09:52:42 We'll just won't have as many resources to do them in this period.
09:52:45 And commerce grants tend to not be too arduous, right? It's not like a federal.
09:52:51 The.
09:52:52 Exactly, they're much easier than even department ecology grants like that shoreline money that we just got recently that there's just a lot of particulars about that.
09:53:02 There are time consuming and so forth. And this funding is, so far anyway, lot easier to maneuver with.
09:53:08 Great. I think it's super exciting, Josh, and especially as the new zoning. Comes online in the port headlock, UGA, that this kind of support could be really helpful for our
Department of Community Development as we grapple with this.
09:53:24 Whole new set of. Allowances in a new UGA. It seems.
09:53:29 I agree with commerce. We're in line for this funding, so I appreciate you guys. Making the effort to.
09:53:36 Go for it and look forward to seeing how we are gonna. Use it to make the UGA and headlock really effective for housing in the future.
09:53:46 I think we're willing to sign the commitment letter, Josh. That's the impression I'm getting.
09:53:52 But I appreciate you taking a little time to dig into a deeper with us. And any other questions or? I'll tell my husband not to apply for all of it. Oh, right.
09:53:59 Yeah, yeah. Thank you.
09:53:58 Yeah, so Seattle didn't already get there, get there chunk.
09:54:05 Good.
09:54:04 I don't think so. They're having a hard time being being able to comply with it given where they are, you know, halfway through.
09:54:13 Yes.
09:54:11 Their account plan update. So that's interesting. Yeah, challenging. So there is a letter prepared that we need to approve that I will sign, but, I will move to approve the
letter to the Department of Commerce authorizing Department of Community Development to request grant funding.
09:54:34 For the middle housing grant. Okay. I will. I believe second that.
09:54:38 Alright, it's been moved and seconded to sign a commitment letter applying for the middle housing grant.
09:54:44 All in favor indicate by saying aye. Do we need public comment? Aye. No, this is on there.
09:54:49 We didn't change it. Any opposed? Okay, that's unanimous. Now it was on the consent agenda originally.
09:54:56 We gave it a little bit more. Oxygen just kind of talk through it Appreciate that, Greg.
09:55:00 Yeah.
09:55:01 Thank you. Yes, thank you very much, Josh, for taking the time.
09:55:04 Thank you.
09:55:06 Okay, well we have a hearing at 1115 and we have a little bit of breathing room to do some.
09:55:13 Briefing and calendaring, is there anything else that folks would like to add to the agenda?
09:55:20 Burning items. Briefing and calendaring something. Yeah, absolutely. Okay.
09:55:31 Who wants to lead us off looking back?
09:55:31 You can do that. Alright, please.
09:55:37 1Â min.
09:55:42 Hmm, like many of you having. Lot of conversations about the aquatic center sprinkled throughout last week.
09:55:53 And you know, I'd say there's a. The the steering committee is.
09:55:59 We'll have a you know, challenging. And a set of issues to face. How to proceed forward.
09:56:12 You know, like I've said before, nobody is interested in. Pushing something that is not wanted or in having a project that is not set up for success.
09:56:21 So we take very seriously the concerns and I think the question of how much to. Kind of start over and looking at Port Hadlock is the question that has to be asked.
09:56:35 In response to public comments. So. And you know, the big part of that is how much would the city be at the table if that were part of the conversation or not.
09:56:46 And so then it's, you know, does the county take on that starting over? Long and expensive process.
09:56:53 So lots of conversations and all of those topics with fans, with detractors, with people, you know, curious.
09:57:03 Yes, yeah, and it's it is a little. Well, you know, it's part of our job, right?
09:57:09 We. Have and and again i'm i am not i am not gonna say this we have to do this this is the only way forward it's like no we have to listen and you know the concerns you bring
up in the public brings up are legitimate.
09:57:24 And, I am listening and I think the steering committee is too, but we haven't actually had a chance to talk since a lot of this concern.
09:57:32 First came up, so yeah. When is the next during committee meeting? The eighth. Okay.
09:57:39 Which is what Friday, Thursday, Friday. Yeah, so we're planning to talk about it next week.
09:57:45 Correct.
09:57:50 Let's see, listened in a little bit on the. Piff meeting on Tuesday morning, but had to drop off there.
09:58:00 Did have a couple calls with our current lobbyists who I don't know if you saw in the news they filed for bankruptcy due to a complicated legal challenge.
09:58:18 A co-owner dispute, one owner left the company and, is suing the company.
09:58:26 Exactly, yes, right when we were considering, you know, proposals for ongoing lobbying services. So, it's been all over the newspaper, so I feel comfortable telling you this.
09:58:38 They plan to continue on as normal. And have encouraged us to go ahead and consider them for ongoing services.
09:58:51 And, you know, I think they would just wanna be cautious and do some risk analysis and think about that in contracting if we did decide to move forward but just wanted you to
be aware and that they've been very forthcoming and.
09:59:04 I've been reading about it in the newspaper know that it's mark and I've been talking about I've been talking about it with Phil Hsucker.
09:59:13 It's something that we're aware of and But it's kinda the last suit is not anything about their work or the quality of their work.
09:59:20 Like they didn't do anything on the work front too. It sounds like an administrator owner, you know, ownership issue.
09:59:27 So. And frequently bankruptcy is a defensive measure. And it allows a firm to continue while it gets restructured.
09:59:36 Yeah, and freeze assets while the courts figure out if there will be a dissolution or a payout of some sort. And that's where they are.
09:59:44 They expect that to be completed around the end of the first quarter next year. So it's they don't expect to protracted process, but let's see.
09:59:54 We had our hearing for, Jefferson Transit. And, transits in good shape.
10:00:03 So, be looking at approving their budget at our next meeting later this month. Went to the empowered Teams coalition meeting Tuesday afternoon.
10:00:17 Not a whole lot to report from there. It's a short meeting, like this time of year.
10:00:22 It's a, you know. Folks are not taking on new stuff or bit of a holding pattern.
10:00:28 We were at the budget meeting on Wednesday morning. Obviously be talking more about budgets. Shortly here today.
10:00:37 But still strong sales tax, low recording fee revenue.
10:00:44 So it's been such a strange ride to just have every month just extraordinary, every month, just extraordinary revenues.
10:00:56 Like we'll come to an end, but it's what do you think, every month, just extraordinary revenues.
10:00:59 Like we'll come to an end, but it's what do you think about the different messages we're getting at different budget meetings about the consistency of sales tax?
10:01:02 What are your guys perception? Do you like, like a ride up or I mean, I know that, you know, must come down, but we're hoping that the trajectory we're on continues, right?
10:01:17 And So many jurisdictions aren't in this. Situation. I mean, that's the what I think is really Bizarre and I have to wonder if it's like if you know our kind of strange unique
status of not having big box retail yeah that people really just really shifted to online shopping and that this could be the new norm.
10:01:39 That's how I see it, but I'm very, you know. I don't feel very confident in that test.
10:01:46 Yeah, and it's not, you know, I mean, arguably that's not great for our local economy.
10:01:50 It'd be better if you know we were actually having that other economic economy. It'd be better if, you know, we were actually having that other economic All the retail is, you
know, not necessarily, doesn't necessarily produce a lot of living wage jobs, but.
10:02:04 Yeah. Do you have any? I mean, that's what I would say too is just that through COVID new habits were formed of shopping at home and with destination based.
10:02:13 Sales tax that is the new normal, but it's it doesn't feel very stable. Yeah.
10:02:22 I mean, how often are you in the train of Amazon trucks. Yeah. I mean, how often are you in the train of Amazon trucks?
10:02:24 I know driving over. I mean, how often are you in the train of Amazon trucks? I know driving over snow call me pass.
10:02:25 We were behind. 12. Amazon trucks and a little train. Yeah.
10:02:31 Not an, not a, 18, not a 90 yet, but so they might have been going to, warehouse nearby.
10:02:36 Yeah, but still it was like, I was like. Oh my god, here's a whole stores worth of stuff driving down the road.
10:02:41 Have you seen that on 104 sometimes? Medium-sized trucks. Yeah, yeah, some electric.
10:02:56 It was all they a little electric ones. It was like, look like I was in a cartoon, you know.
10:03:01 In my 1999. Let's see. Had a couple long meetings with, Jefferson Transit and our consultants.
10:03:18 On the climate action plan to scope out that project and it is. I know we can't talk too much about transit here.
10:03:27 We're not quite a quorum, but. Still just say that it's it's interesting to think about you know I keep wanting to use this process to Think about how we change.
10:03:40 People's minds about whether to choose transit or not and you know helping them to make a decision based on their climate impact.
10:03:49 And poor Nicole and staff at Jefferson Transit are like, could we just focus on the things we actually have control over?
10:03:59 And I want to support them in that vision and I'm like, but this is a great opportunity to really point out how making a vision and I'm like, but this is a great opportunity
to really point out how making a one decision and making a habit of it could actually it hopefully it can do both and hopefully I won't drive staff crazy and continually wanting to.
10:04:27 Work on the bigger picture. But we have a good group Cindy Jane is joining us for those conversations and some number of good perspectives.
10:04:38 Let's see, environmental health subcommittee of the State Board of Health at a pre meeting.
10:04:47 That subcommittee, just number of important things coming up. Obviously the hearing for the new state unsite septic code.
10:04:56 There's going to be some new shellfish sanitation regulation coming up. January. I'm still having just my opportunity.
10:05:06 No, I have not read through the new code yet. You process the code and you. Yeah, I walked through it many times with the state board of health and they do have some you know
like point out the specific chain I haven't gone through it with the whole thing with a pen and pencil but I do draw your attention to the changes.
10:05:22 And the why and and even kind of the. Comments being received on it. So it's it's a robust process.
10:05:31 And generally the feedback we're getting is very good. Okay, but people are happy with it.
10:05:35 There's a lot of stakeholder input. From, you know, people in pinky's positions and similar shellfish industry.
10:05:45 It seems like they did a pretty good job of hitting the mark. Yeah. Okay. Hmm.
10:05:54 Housing fund boards. I had to skip out for part of it, but we did pass the recommendations that we approved earlier this morning.
10:06:06 Maybe I let Greg report on anything else that happened there. Child care center.
10:06:16 Continues to go well and also, you know, just be a challenge with cost escalation and, especially some of the road improvements and working with the city and how looks like
they're willing to give maybe a 5 year timeline for doing all of the road improvements.
10:06:36 But there's still a question of who's on the hook for the cost of those.
10:06:41 Everybody's, feeling a little bit like, not my problem, not my problem. So.
10:06:47 Well, that's a Pretty big, issue will have to work out. Still a lot of goodwill and, design process very much, underway and.
10:06:59 Lot of lot of
10:07:03 What's the word? So value engineering happening. Okay. So already had to.
10:07:13 You know, already had to. You know, yes. Yeah. Metal roof gone.
10:07:14 At 3 tab, you know, making those cost saving decisions. So they really add up. Hmm, right.
10:07:22 Yeah. Had a good, touch base with Junior, different health care on a number of topics.
10:07:33 Let's see. Try and I agree here a little bit. Anything we need to know there on health care.
10:07:43 I no I don't think so it was there's some some kind of behind the scenes stuff that Getting worked out with Childcare Center and you know.
10:07:54 Nothing, I think for the benefit of this group at this time. Youth age bands from our old chip at this time. Youth age band, from our old chip met.
10:08:07 Yep, yep. And you know, that was the, the theme there was really trying to eliminate youth suicide.
10:08:14 And there's actually been a lot of suicidal ideation and activation at the high school recently in Port Townsend.
10:08:24 So there's concern about the you know, just that, and there is. Those tend to happen in kind of clumps and so seeing that increase is concerning in our health centers are, you
know, trying to respond appropriately.
10:08:43 Had a couple conversations about the shoreline master plan looking forward to those recommendations coming before us. Next week that's I think going to be a Big decision for
us to whether we want to do a hearing and then can expect a lot of input.
10:08:58 I'm sure you guys are having some of these same conversations. Only about the one issue really though.
10:09:06 I haven't heard much about the setbacks. It was holding out. Yeah. Only about the one issue really though. I haven't heard much about the setbacks.
10:09:12 It was holding out. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So I look forward to that. Our alma mater. Yeah. Oh, that's right.
10:09:14 You're both G Yeah, alum. I didn't ever get the sweatshirt with just the white PVC tube on it. Yeah.
10:09:35 I had a fairgrounds meeting on Thursday night and board is very excited that we will be considering an increase in their regular funding.
10:09:43 And. Friday headed to my the last of my fellowships. I think we decided to call it the Saving Democracy Fellowship, really the so much of what we talked about was kind of how
partisanship is making our democracy really dysfunctional and So wrapped up yesterday afternoon and it was great.
10:10:05 I feel very inspired, lots of readings about American exceptionalism and patriotism and good discussions about how that is perceived very differently depending on your place
on the political spectrum and I came out of it feeling very like.
10:10:19 In love with the grand experiment that is American democracy. Feeling very committed to it. Good. In all of its imperfections.
10:10:29 And that you know, people say we suffer from lack of an American narrative, a shared narrative. And I think that's a great narrative to rally around that it's an experiment,
it's imperfect and we keep working to make it better.
10:10:43 Everyone under the roof. Yeah, yeah. So, feel nourished by few days of really digging and doing hard thinking and talking about.
10:10:54 Challenges of this work. So the fellowship is wrapped up. Yeah, all done, sadly.
10:10:59 Yeah, thank you. Hi, do you want to look back? Sure. My exciting week.
10:11:06 Last week. Let's see. So, Last Monday, of course, was with you all and then.
10:11:16 Jump to the pre so re-election certification meeting midday on Monday with our little trio upstairs and And then there were some challenge folks.
10:11:34 So that confusion that I had earlier was that Quinn and Quinn said she actually had sent a wrong calendar invite.
10:11:37 So I was like, well, there's a calendar that they went away. Maybe they're still, maybe there's no talent, but there was a couple dozen.
10:11:46 There, there's no talent, but there was, there was a couple dozen. There, there, there was a couple dozen.
10:11:48 There, there were, number, there was a couple dozen. Okay. There, there were a number, I think they were like, 2425.
10:11:49 So, let's see. So we reviewed those and then, Tuesday morning. We had a pith meeting first thing and learned that.
10:12:01 When you have more PIF applications, you need to make a longer meeting. So we got through the application.
10:12:08 Presentations and then scheduled a second meeting for the fourteenth of December to rank for review the applications.
10:12:16 So in the future. It's good for any funding committee to know that if you have more applicants to consider you need a longer meeting.
10:12:25 Especially if you allow, work to have slides and everything. I mean, they take forever. I would say on the Monty's come forward with a good.
10:12:40 Proposal around sewer, for the next. Good. Is the next 20 years, Mark.
10:12:48 The public works sewer application to the Piff board. Yep. 85,000 per year for for 20 years.
10:12:58 Time period was extended by the legislature, the point 9. So there's the ability for us to.
10:13:04 Collect a little bit to underwrite some of the costs of the sewer project in the future.
10:13:09 So that was one of the pick ups. In the future. So that was one of the pipes.
10:13:17 Is that like the operations? And money did a really good financial analysis. Yeah, I mean, you might want to share that one page with these guys just so they can.
10:13:25 See it, cause it was, I thought it was a really good analysis. Yeah, I was around for that part.
10:13:30 Okay, yeah, there but in the card driver. So anyway, good project. Proposals and.
10:13:39 The meeting in a couple of week or next week will be interesting. Then certified said election and I would just say that the team upstairs in the auditors office, the elections
team is Rock solid, lock tight, you know, the county should all the residents of the county should have full confidence and pride in our team, our elections team here.
10:14:03 They are. Led by Quin Guerrell just doing really solid work. Do you know what the turnout was?
10:14:09 I looked at it but I forget not good at retaining terribly low. 38 30 something percent.
10:14:17 38. And I wouldn't hardly have any candidates. And then the JTAB budget meeting, Jefferson Transit, but budget meeting with you all.
10:14:33 Then the meeting was said. SMP commenters the whole. Round table of folks concerned about the GUI.
10:14:41 Dck rules. And then Wednesday morning I joined the budget meeting. Virtually. And then.
10:14:54 Headed east. Tiwala with a full packet of materials to read and I was like, what are you reading?
10:15:02 Always driving, you know, cause 6Â h drive. I'm like, I started reading out loud to him.
10:15:09 Anyway, at least stop reading out. And then he's like, Oh my God, you read so much.
10:15:14 Did you get ahead of the weather? I got stuck over there. Oh yeah. Well, just the weather. I got stuck over there. Oh yeah. Well, just the past. Oh, right.
10:15:25 Like, had snow and then it and went across and then that night in Walla Walla there was snow on the ground.
10:15:29 So yeah, we squeaked through. Under the wire. Good. And yesterday too because We came at the door.
10:15:37 I trouble both. Both directions. We came out the gorgeous. Yeah, so and it was yesterday morning and Lyle, Washington, it was I woke up and took the dogs outside and there was
4 inches of standing water outside the hotel we were staying in.
10:15:53 Yeah, lots of water. But I would say that I participated in I'm on the show as I mentioned last week that I'm on the shoreline hearing board and we had an upcoming hearing and
I participated in a pre meeting and then I decided.
10:16:08 And I had to let them know that I can't. Participate in this hearing because it's a full 7 day hearing.
10:16:15 And it turns out that are. Calendar for the next couple of weeks got really busy with full like considering the shoreline.
10:16:26 Master program considering the budget. I'm like I can't. It's been all day for 7 days with you all.
10:16:33 So I had to prioritize. And I mean, I'm of course happy to do it, but it was like this moment where I was laying in bed on Thursday night.
10:16:42 I was laying in bed on Thursday night, but it was like this moment where I was laying in bed on Thursday and I was like this moment where I was laying in bed on Thursday night
didn't get any sleep.
10:16:50 I'm like how can I how can I multitasking, but what is the case?
10:16:52 It's a kelp farm. And I wondered if that's what it was. It's a big deal. Yeah.
10:16:59 It's getting a ton of attention. Cause it's gonna be precedent setting. Yeah. Yeah.
10:17:06 Well, I was that I was involved in all the pre work for it. So I've done all the reading and so yeah, it's disappointing, but it's also I don't know how to be in 2 places at
once.
10:17:13 I've decided. But you know, I mean, I would just say, we haven't had a lot of time to talk about it, but.
10:17:21 Reading all these comments about the Aquatic Center, I've actually catalogued them all and I feel like I feel okay with us and I know that our colleagues at the city don't feel
okay with us.
10:17:33 Feeling like we need to take more time but. The same size project, 36 million dollars project took the county how many years?
10:17:41 To get going to sewer. So I mean, I just feel like they are enough issues and enough citizen concerns and support that we Everyone deserves for us to have this conversation.
10:17:54 And I'm still frustrated that they came on the, was it twentieth or 20 first and said, we want your vote.
10:18:00 And I'm like, what? So, I'm trying to get over that frustration now, but.
10:18:04 Really interesting. I don't know if anyone, if anyone hasn't a chance to read all the minutes of the.
10:18:09 That's going too many meetings Right all those and But all the comments people submitted and I'll tell the surveys.
10:18:20 You can patch packet when you're done. I don't think I'm gonna read every Yeah, so anyway, but I didn't appreciate the leaders.
10:18:29 Headline last week. You know, a provocative headline. So let's see that takes and then the weekend so
10:18:51 Good wine and la la la. Good point and you know it was interesting I got there and the headline on the paper was that their fire their fire levy hadn't passed and you know and
then I always pass yeah i know there was actually a funny comic that I Text it to Greg, cause it was something about AI.
10:19:12 And I said, look what the headline was when I arrived. There was a newspaper in the. In the hotel room and I'm like, jeez, a fire levy didn't pass anyway.
10:19:21 But it was interesting they have a relatively new aquatic center. Walla and it's an outdoor aquatic center and it's got Huge these huge slides and all this stuff and it's so
fun and fantastic and so I did you go?
10:19:37 I have not not one is this cold out, but I've been before in the summer and so I wanna look into.
10:19:43 How that one got funded and passed. Will fund like they they will fund outdoor pools as part of their regular programming.
10:19:53 So they they will fund indoor pools if but it's in a much larger competitive. Grant program that funds a number of different types of sites, but it's there's a more direct funding
source for outdoor pools.
10:20:09 Yeah, so I don't know. I mean, that's probably enough. We're not looking forward yet, are we?
10:20:15 Not looking forward yet. Thank you though. Let's see, I was with you guys at least, Monday morning virtually and then,
10:20:27 At the red-eye home and and then was at the piff meeting to present about the Glencoe projects.
10:20:36 Then I met with some housing for fun board members a little bit later. And I was at with you at the transit budget.
10:20:45 Hearing which went well and then the intellectual and developmental disability advisory board meeting. I was there virtually.
10:20:53 I saw Mark there in person on our Carl Hanson who step down from that board after. 23 years of service, 26 years of service.
10:21:04 I think he's that chaplain now at the correctional facility in So that's taking a lot of time going over there every week.
10:21:12 So, you know, just. Not enough time in the day. But that went well and then with you guys for the budget meeting in the morning and then I went and met with the director of
Olympic Angels for a coffee and really impressed with the programming there and some of the challenges to coming from that kind of the elimination of foster care with recent legislation.
10:21:36 It just means folks are in the system, you know, I mean, it's like, it feels just like over steering back and forth, you know, like, oh, maybe separating kids from their parents
isn't isn't the right thing to do.
10:21:47 So If you veer back and never separate them from their parents, then kids don't get into any of the other supportive services and wraparound service they might need if they
are, you know.
10:21:58 You know, need need additional services. So. Really challenging. Then went down with Mark to the PD offices again had a conversation and Monty as well and Sam got a great update
about the sewer.
10:22:12 I learned a lot and and then clarified both the that the county really wants the PDF to operate both the port Hadlock sewer, which there was some confusion about just because
of our staffing upgrades basically and also.
10:22:30 And you know the operator. And you know the operator from Aussie as well came over to the.
10:22:35 So, but I think it's clear now and we're talking about getting an ILA, set and that also clears the way for the conversation about Brendan and the PD is still interested in
talking about.
10:22:49 And that also clears the way for the conversation about Brennan and the PD is still interested in talking about potential operation of that sewer.
10:22:50 Moving forward. And the housing fund board meeting. Only cap, made a public comment, cherished it.
10:23:01 It was I think it allayed a lot of the concerns about from some of the housing fund board members of the quality of the applications this year.
10:23:12 And I also made a special plea for as I mentioned earlier a little bit for some of those unexpected 194,000 or so.
10:23:18 Of the 60% of the $1590 it needs to go for construction or support supporting construction of new units for the outdoor, the new shelter that they've got money, but they're.
10:23:29 Encountering gaps as pricing, you know. Inflation. Interest rates especially. I didn't get, could I just fill up on that?
10:23:41 I didn't get through chairs just long, email right before the housing fund board meeting.
10:23:45 Did she address why they didn't apply? For those funds, the construction funds for new units.
10:23:51 She didn't, no, she did do more back. Stopping about. The difference, the significant difference in the operating costs between, 23 and 24 which was a point of concern for a
lot of the members and kind of talking about the other funding sources that we're ending and things like that.
10:24:09 No. They were not not a lot of why but just this is what we will. So we're talking about opening it up I think just to be equitable to all the organizations.
10:24:23 So we'll have a housing, a special housing fund board meeting and then probably reschedule our regular December 20 seventh one to get.
10:24:27 To basically just open up that same RFP for There were a few changes weren't there.
10:24:34 Did a few clarifying changes. Yeah. So probably do it just to try to get the money out the door, but give everyone a chance to apply.
10:24:48 To get the money out the door but give everyone a chance to apply. Remember that the issue with the vendor for the food services at Tri area was Do you know what's going on
with that coastal?
10:24:58 Yeah, so. The. The congregates. Was, can't remember was it?
10:25:10 I can't remember who the funding organization is through OH 3 area agency on aging. And did a voluntary cancellation of that contract and they're working with a coastal cap
to.
10:25:26 Finish out the existing contract before they do an RFP. And I think they've been successful in setting up.
10:25:33 Stuff in the Portangelos and Squim area, but struggling a little bit to get congregate meals here so I think they're mailing at home meals.
10:25:44 So it's still a bit of a struggle. We have an OSVA meeting this week, but I'll follow up on.
10:25:52 Cause I get questions, the comments from the dry area. And to what? Just concerns about seniors who need nails, you know, and hearing and how important the like having a place
to be and not isolated at home is Yeah, no, I know it's a critical service.
10:26:11 Can they not? They're not split the. I guess not. Cause I think it's.
10:26:20 Yeah, I'll bring you a better update and a couple of weeks removed from an update on that so I'm just.
10:26:30 I'm just speculating. In my interest. Yeah, no, okay. No, I appreciate you amplifying it.
10:26:34 I'll bring more back next week.
10:26:35 We had a Jeffcom meeting on on Thursday, doing really good about staffing app, while the good people.
10:26:44 Trained but you know and also lost you know some people on FMLA and and left for another thing but like 3 to 5 people are just like cycling in so I think morale is pretty good.
10:26:58 Matt still doing a great job and as director. Gonna work on strategic planning early next year. Yeah. Yes, I do.
10:27:10 I mean, gets to play with radios and things. I think that's about what makes them the happiest.
10:27:15 Yes, I think so. I was not able to go see the AI, webinar with MRC because of Jeffcom and I had lunch with the port director, Mr. And then I met with, Laurie Fleming from the
BHC.
10:27:32 They were, they're looking to apply for. Some, $100,000 worth of planning funds and work to make sure that public health as well as Jefferson Health Care, DBH, and hopefully
the the MS Council are all supportive of this grant that's often for people that are either difficult to discharge or the frequent flyers that are you know often calling for services
kind of the same thing the
10:27:58 cares program often helps so trying to address trying to find planning dollars for the BHC because of course the opioid funding that's gonna kick in here soon.
10:28:07 Is really for opioid response and that's not the only thing the behavioral health consortium is worked on historically.
10:28:14 So I'm going to go top with the MS Council this week as well to help just. Consolidate support for that.
10:28:22 Then Friday I gave my input, was unable to participate in the central services hiring kind of planning meeting but I hear it went well as I was course medical procedure and
then.
10:28:42 Mark was kind enough to cover for me at the county connections with Judy. He can talk about what he talked about there and then I had a Still pretty high on propofol.
10:28:54 I, I, I went to the, the recompete meeting and talked a little bit mostly. You know, what happened there?
10:29:06 I might have just volunteered all of our pip funds. What happened there? I might have just volunteered all of our pip funds.
10:29:10 You know, what happened there? I might have just volunteered all of our pip funds. I don't know.
10:29:15 I said, don't make me talk. And then I talked to the whole time. I don't know. I said, don't, don't make me talk.
10:29:21 And then I Keep moving forward. We should know about the recompetes phase one and phase 2 and they're separate processes so we could get phase 2 and not get the planning dollars,
get the plan dollars and not get the phase $2 or the invitation to apply for phase 2.
10:29:35 There's a lot of talk about the constitution of the task force, you know, both ports would like to be official members.
10:29:43 All 3 cities and there was talk about adding Brennan so there's appropriate geographic representation.
10:29:49 I said I've been on a 22 member task force before you know we're going to be doing maybe we should do an executive board structure so we're going to do a little bit of governance
planning.
10:29:57 But I think the idea is that we would love to move forward. Regardless of this just because these projects work well together.
10:30:08 Of course there's still organizations and municipalities that would love to. Bring up new projects and everything.
10:30:15 So it's still very much a live. A live issue. We need to bring more, you know, childcare and human services folks into the group as well because that's quite a bit of the project
is is you know.
10:30:27 Substance for childcare and. Training and navigator navigators. So it continues and I think We probably are gonna need an ILA.
10:30:40 I think, I think I dimly recall. Committing to like some joint meeting I think that, Mike French who's on the, on, gonna talk with them about an ILA and then bring it back here.
10:30:53 So, maybe this month or early next month, we'll, have a joint meeting where we can talk about.
10:30:59 What the partnership should look at like and Is that regardless if we get funded or not? The idea is, to be prepared so we're not caught flat-footed.
10:31:10 I mean, if we don't get any of the funding, we can, that's a decision point.
10:31:14 Do we want to put our own funding to keep going? Like the phase one funding, one of the primary things that we do is hire a recompete coordinator, which really kind of coalesces
all these projects together and any additional changes to the projects and talking about the value of that if we don't have.
10:31:30 You know, the real solidity of the phase $2 is kind of an open question. And when will we know about?
10:31:40 The according to what I heard on Friday, I think, by the end of the year. So this one.
10:31:49 About phase 2. About whether we've been invited to phase 2. They're gonna invite just a very limited group to phase 2.
10:31:54 And again, there are 565 applications for 20 awards. So, but undoubtedly one or 2 from Washington, I think will probably make the cut.
10:32:04 So we'll see. Do you mind going back to Piff? I was wanting to listen into your presentation and I actually missed it. So I'm curious what it is that.
10:32:18 Your application was. Right. So what the application I submitted for and there's you know definitely very clear borders that I submitted for and there's you know definitely
very clear borders that I'm still learning about and there's you know definitely very clear borders that I'm still learning about what infrastructure dollars that I'm still learning
about what infrastructure dollars can be used for but I'm still learning about what what infrastructure dollars can be used for but it was for feasibility and design
10:32:35 of principally bringing the poor towns and sewer into Glencoe both through the housing area that would be there and then into Glencove.
10:32:43 And then, you know, potentially other infrastructure like we have heard some of the folks I've talked about there are really interested in bringing.
10:32:51 3 phase electric to the south end of Glencove and so you know it's on the north end but not the south end or not cost effective is what i've been told i don't know a lot of
the details but you know just kind of potentially storm water.
10:33:08 I mean, there's other but really. Sewer, bring in the sewer into Glencove is what it is.
10:33:13 So design, feasibility, it's got to be specific pieces of infrastructure. And I think I'm a tried.
10:33:20 I think that the meat of the questions and my presentation was just. Clarifying that it was in parallel with our comp plan updates and other other work to to make that possible.
10:33:31 But yeah. And how much was the? My ask was 2 50.
10:33:36 Thank you. Yeah. And there were all all the projects. I mean, I was just listening to him in the car most of them, but they sounded Pretty great project.
10:33:46 Right. And it hasn't really been oversubscribed recently. Has this? No, this round though, there's what 8.
10:33:54 8, 9, available, there's like 1.2 million in requests. So. Our choices will be made.
10:34:02 Hard choices. Yeah. And that's, and talked a lot about Brady with other.
10:34:08 Other funding sources in the chip grant. And the city seems very interested in it so that I know I can see people on the Zoom room more than I could see people in the actual
room, but okay.
10:34:19 Positive reaction from Mayor Faber at least. Okay. Okay, that was my week. Mark, you wanna take a look at last week?
10:34:30 Sure. So on Monday the 20 seventh with the board that on Tuesday the 20 eighth of course the PIP meeting.
10:34:40 90Â min should have gone 2Â h. Then lunch with John Morrow and then in the afternoon the car will handsome farewell.
10:34:49 Quite emotional. I know, Anna and Carl have a 26 year relationship. So that was hard for.
10:34:55 The number of folks in the room. Then on Wednesday budget committee meeting and then the meeting that Greg talked about with Kevin Street.
10:35:07 Say, Sam and Manny, a really good meeting. I think it clarified a lot and got us on the right track.
10:35:16 Then I joined the Jeffcom meeting on Thursday for a short while and then jumped off to meet with Josh and then.
10:35:24 Shifted to budget message and PowerPoint for the 1115 hearing that we have later this morning. And then on Friday, a routine meeting with Apple and then a review with Cliff
more of the central services.
10:35:43 Director candidates where we decided to interview 3. All 3 candidates that were on the slate. 2 recommended one was not, but.
10:35:57 Department staff thought it would be appropriate to interview the third candidate as well. And so we've agreed to do that.
10:36:04 And then of course, KPTZ, which was a a very enjoyable. What is it?
10:36:14 35Â min or so on the radio with Judy talking about our budget process and. So, and so.
10:36:21 And that was good fun. So that was my wheat. Thanks a lot.
10:36:27 Thanks for covering. All right, shall we look to this coming week? I don't have a lot, but everything has at least 2 meetings at one time.
10:36:36 Yeah. I'm happy to be sure to kick off. Go ahead. Here with you today.
10:36:48 Over the lunch hour, I'm going to be putting together a summary where we're at a community wildfire protection planning for Kept be asked for that.
10:36:58 For an update for the Port Lev Voice. So. Trying to let people know that the train's still rolling down the track.
10:37:06 Tomorrow morning I have overlapping. Conflicts, but they're both. Maybe I can, anyway, the first thing is attending the Board of Natural Resources meeting where they will be
closing the DAB expansion.
10:37:23 And, potentially just. Adding comments in favor of. That step forward and we've been getting a lot of good.
10:37:34 Feedback. You're in the TLT too. Yeah. Yeah, it's all day Bob though.
10:37:39 Okay. And I've been, I've been hearing good, you know, feedback from junior taxi districts and about this transactions.
10:37:48 I don't know if you've been. And I went and met with the Kelsey and Fire District a couple weeks ago and I wouldn't.
10:37:55 I would say fairly neutral but not in opposition and understanding that you know. In covered lands aren't gonna provide a lot of revenue anyway.
10:38:06 So this is better. The state force transfer trust is gaining a significant number of acres through this inner grant exchange as part of the trust and transfer.
10:38:13 So. In the future it will be significantly more revenue for our junior taxing district. So I think it's a really great outcome.
10:38:20 This. I do. This round of debaub expansion. And then I plan on spending a big chunk of tomorrow afternoon compiling all of the input.
10:38:32 Great input I've gotten. To complete a draft review for Nicole. Gothier, our transit director.
10:38:39 Got good input from most of the JTA board got some great feedback from staff and then Nicole also submitted a self evaluation.
10:38:47 So, need to. We have all that together, but, we'll bring a draft.
10:38:53 And then near future to the transit board. Then Tuesday afternoon, Mark and I have a meeting with our consultants on the Chimicum Drainage District just to get an update on
they've been doing some outreach planning in.
10:39:07 Coordination with the ports short farm planning process. And also engaging the WSU extension. Director I'm at in the drainage district.
10:39:23 Process. So. Good collaboration there and I was glad we slowed that down a little bit and said, let's make sure that all these efforts are braided together and.
10:39:32 Feel like that was the right call. So. Then later in the evening have the MRC meeting.
10:39:40 Then Wednesday morning kicks off with a very long. Washington DNR Carbon and Forest Management Working Group.
10:39:49 It's my latest DNR work group I'm on and second meeting of that. Series of I think 8 meetings we're having.
10:39:57 As a team with. Where's products industry and to new taxing districts and. Counties.
10:40:07 So, sorry, what was that work group again? It's the it's the Washington DR.
10:40:13 Carbon and forest management work group that came out of the 83 million dollar budget proviso in the last legislative session.
10:40:21 So we will be working together to figure out how. To mobilize that most of that 83 million dollars, right, and supportive.
10:40:29 Carbon and forest management. That's great. Then the holiday season kicks off with the Community Foundation's holiday party.
10:40:39 And you know, late afternoon evening. Oh, remind me when that is. I didn't get that on my account like the invite, but I think it's 4 o'clock.
10:40:48 Yeah. Alright, cause it's the same as the housing trust. Meeting and party. Thank you guys.
10:40:57 And Mark and I are having our official annual Singapore Noodle Summit. Oh nice.
10:41:06 For lunch on Thursday. And then, ack meeting later in the afternoon and they Jefferson County, ODT, Potential Trails Coalition, Cohort Meeting.
10:41:17 Later later that night and then Mark, my question to you is the strategic plan implementation meeting on Friday. Can I attend that in virtually?
10:41:28 Cause I might, might need to be rolling down a road somewhere. Okay. I'll need some help setting up the owl that I know who can help me.
10:41:37 Yeah. Okay. So I think I'll plan on joining that virtually. That'll be there for the whole meeting.
10:41:47 That was the strategic plan implementation. That with our leadership team. Facilitating. Great.
10:41:52 So she'll be on Zoom as well. No, she'll be here. She'll be here physically.
10:41:59 I mean, she lives just down the road. Okay. Friday. Friday the eighth one to 3.
10:42:06 And I'm missing a competing meeting. NICO meeting during that time but Sure they won't miss me.
10:42:15 So that's that, and I, you know, I think. The thing I'm realizing and I just want to say it when I and putting in doing this review process for Nicole, you know, sometimes it's
just really important to lean in and try and get as much input and.
10:42:31 You know, we as a board. A transit board articulated the desire to have you know 360 degree input into that review and I mean, in this situation, it's been really great input.
10:42:44 I mean, I've done a lot of reviews in the past and I just feel really We have a great transit team.
10:42:50 I mean, from the board, staff. So just grateful. Gratitude continues. Gratitude, Alright, busy week, Kate.
10:43:03 Yes, let's see. Looks like they're is a WASAC meeting at lunch today.
10:43:12 I'm not sure that I'll. Be able to attend. I think I have a conflict.
10:43:17 Somebody's listed here as one PMI assume that's not right. I see the 12 Okay, my calendars.
10:43:24 Oh, ours is at the right time. Yeah, our crazy calendar. What's this? So I will.
10:43:34 Oh, I see. I have it at 12 too. Yeah, is anyone plan to attend? On that.
10:43:47 Yeah, I don't know if we can any emails about it. It's still be on holiday.
10:43:51 Right. Yeah.
10:43:58 Mmm, Mark, what are we thinking about the PFD discussion with commerce this afternoon?
10:44:05 Should we should one of us try to attend? I mean it We have a hearing at 1 30 and then the meeting with commerce is 2 31 of us could And we could conceivably be done with the.
10:44:16 Yeah, yeah, search your tip. I don't believe will take more than a half hour. 25Â min.
10:44:23 So maybe we both can make it. What time? 2300, well, I can.
10:44:31 Calendar. Oh, I smelled anymore. Well, I think, yeah, that was, that's zoom.
10:44:42 Or was it, was it actually at 1 30? No, I thought it was it to I'll ask Kerry to send up. Do you have the invite? I do.
10:44:48 Yeah, just it might be the wrong time. I do. Yeah, just it might be the wrong time.
10:44:51 Half the things on my calendar. I do. Yeah, it just it might be the wrong time. Half the things on my calendar.
10:44:54 So I'll ask Kerry to resend. I can forward it to you right now. Okay.
10:44:56 I think it would be an important meeting and if there are questions that you guys have about PFD, so we'll be talking to commerce it sounds like.
10:45:04 It's important. Is it recorded? Or, no, it's just a. It's not an open public meeting.
10:45:15 Not recorded, I don't believe. And who is participating in this? Or some silly, right?
10:45:25 This was the planned meeting. Talk about. The independent financial. Yeah, just like the process process.
10:45:36 I think it has to do with, reviewing the financial analysis confirming that the assumptions are valid and so on.
10:45:45 No, no, MPD doesn't require. No, we're just doing feasibility on this one.
10:45:58 I'm just trying to understand. I mean, it's getting information right now. Yeah, it's a statutory requirement.
10:46:16 And so we need to check that box now in Fifteenth of December. Fifteenth of December? No, I thought it was February, Well, it's because we need a month.
10:46:23 It'll take 4 to 6 weeks to do the financial. Yeah, so and that has to be done before.
10:46:29 It's, it's, it's like 4 to 6 weeks to do the financial. Yeah.
10:46:36 So, and that has to be made before. Yeah, I mean, I think in the minutes from the.
10:46:38 Like working back from the filing deadline. Yeah. Here it is, filing deadline for November, February, 2024 election.
10:46:49 But that's, we're not talking. We're looking for April, aren't we? Yeah, okay.
10:46:56 Okay. Good. Tomorrow I'm in Olympia all day with association of counties. It's the legislature has their committee days this week.
10:47:13 To Paul and I are meeting with the local government committee of the House representatives. To talk about our.
10:47:21 Priorities. We have to be very careful how we talk about not talking about a legislative agenda, but we did have that 2 pager that was approved, you know.
10:47:30 So mostly kind of education and some of the challenges. Funding County Government. See, very excited for Wednesdays.
10:47:42 Electric bus ribbon cutting ceremony. Noon at Hayes Place encourage folks to come down if they're interested.
10:47:49 Of our regular child care center meeting on Wednesday and then trying to do some combination of the Olympic Housing Trust and Jefferson Community Foundation, holiday parties.
10:48:02 Tuesday, excuse me, Thursday morning, meet with a land owner interested in the, UGA swap.
10:48:11 Have a fairgrounds meeting to talk about staffing there and then the North Olympic Development Council annual meeting is Thursday afternoon.
10:48:21 It's a little out of sequence. We usually meet on the fourth Thursday, which is of course Thanksgiving.
10:48:28 So it's back to the first week in December for the annual meeting. Friday, Mark is our healthier together strategy session.
10:48:38 What time is that at? I don't believe my calendar. I have it at 10. Though we used to meet at 8 or 9 but I know that it was just a doodle pull.
10:48:54 Okay. Thanks. I will be there, which unfortunately means missing a municipal research service center meeting.
10:49:00 I don't know how those got scheduled at the same time. My bad. And Friday.
10:49:08 Oh, this is and doing the radio show having Chris Macklin on to talk about recreation programs.
10:49:16 So I've been reading up on. I'm I imagine I've forced you guys to read the Atlantic article at some point in the past about how Iceland invested heavily in youth recreation
and substance.
10:49:29 Yeah. Just so, yeah, yeah, super valuable. So I love that article and it's limited. Yeah, yeah, super valuable.
10:49:40 So love that article and it's maybe a little dated at this point, but, some real gems in that that I'll be pulling out to talk with Chris about too.
10:49:45 Cool. Yeah, sounds like a good week. Yeah, not too heavy. Alright, for me, let's see.
10:49:53 Tomorrow the big thing is going to support the ask to the Jefferson County. EMS Council tomorrow evening.
10:50:01 And then on Wednesday meeting with some residents, couple meetings and then I look forward to the, electric bus ribbon cutting out at Hayes Place at noon.
10:50:13 Too bad. I'll try to go to one or both of the winter parties that evening.
10:50:18 I also have my penultimate class. I've got a prep for, but I'm doing a much Tuesday.
10:50:24 I might bring the presentation back. My research is on AI in the public sector. You get a presentation on it.
10:50:32 Then my real conflicts start the next day where on Thursday morning I both have the Board of Health onboarding at the same time as the OH 3 a cog meeting and since I'm required
at the Cog meeting for chair.
10:50:47 Probably missed the first onboarding meeting with Board of Health. And then that afternoon I also have the Parks and Rec advisory board 3 o'clock which often conflicts with
the PLVC presentation that I do.
10:51:01 So. I'll probably do that quick PLVC presentation and then catch the Parks and Recadvisory Board virtually that I drive back.
10:51:10 On Friday we have our first, Sailish Behavioral Health Administrative Service Organization.
10:51:17 Without the director Lewis. Leaves left yesterday. Yesterday was your last day. Yeah, so Joel and Crown has been appointed her successor.
10:51:28 She was the clinical director. She was the clinical director and have been there a long time. So, you know, there's not a lot of.
10:51:35 You know, Stephanie was a great administrator. She's gone over to Kitsap County, but, oh, is she the new, environmental health director?
10:51:43 Yeah, I think, well, something like that. I think. Or administrator. Yeah.
10:51:51 We talked about it before and I said yes without really knowing the answer. That sounds like you. And that those are the high points of my week.
10:52:01 Mark, what do you have coming up? Well, today with the board and then just added the 2 30 PFT discussion with commerce.
10:52:12 And confirming with Kerry that.
10:52:15 Regarding, and never mind. And that has to do with the meeting on Friday. So tomorrow, senior management team meeting and then a risk management committee.
10:52:28 And then I'm meeting with, Phil Sucker to talk about rule 42 it has to do with the appointment of conflict attorneys.
10:52:36 Which has been handled by the courts in the past and rule 42 says that can no longer happen so that's a function that we're gonna have to take on in our office.
10:52:50 So Phil and I are going to talk about that transition and setting up protocols.
10:52:57 And then. As Heidi mentioned, we're going to meet to talk about contract with peak sustainability.
10:53:06 I think we're getting to the end of the dollar amount, which I think was 10,000 to begin with and that works gotta continue.
10:53:14 So. It will probably bring a contract amendment to the board as a result of that. Meeting Then Wednesday and gratefully nothing at all on my calendar.
10:53:27 Thursday weekly with Josh Peters. And then the annual. Singapore Noodle Summit that I you mentioned and then Friday healthier together strategy session and then the strategic
plan implementation meeting in the afternoon.
10:53:46 Alright. Sounds like a good week. So we're all gonna be here next week. You're not doing your SMP hearing.
10:53:54 You're gonna your short line here and you're gonna be with us. No, I felt bad.
10:53:59 I felt so bad. Yeah, I know you've been doing a lot of work to get ready for that too.
10:54:06 How are we shaping up for? The, our Monday meetings. This month. We're planning to just take off the 20 fifth.
10:54:20 Gonna meet the eighteenth.
10:54:21 Well, there's big things on the agenda both Mondays because Caroline be. In my planning for the S and P hearings.
10:54:30 And the list of things that were on the agenda for, for the, So. I mean, we can't be in the office on actually Christmas Day.
10:54:49 We could often it goes to Tuesday, but usually our process is just, Yeah, that we cancel that last meeting.
10:54:56 Don't have a meeting and then the following Monday is the first so the office will be closed so we'll do our normal our first meeting on Tuesday the second.
10:55:04 Okay. So we'll do our normal our first meeting on Tuesday the second. Okay. So we're just taking off the 20 fifthfifth.
10:55:12 Okay. Twenty-fifth. Oh, cause it would be, yeah, 26 because it was a holiday.
10:55:16 Yeah, okay. Okay. Yes, I think we can improve taking Christmas off. And there will not be a budget meeting on the 20 seventh.
10:55:29 Right. Gotcha. Okay. But there probably will be KPTC radio.
10:55:43 20Â s or 20 ninth. I mean, I have the 20Â s let's say.
10:55:54 Would you like to, The last name in December or the first week or 2 of January. How can we kind of talk about it a little bit, but we don't actually take any action until.
10:56:10 January. Oh yeah. Schedule.
10:56:17 We're gonna be here on the Good reminder to start thinking about if there are things we wanna shift.
10:56:28 Yeah. If you know certain things you can make votes to approve changes in December and then you can make versions to approve changes in December and then you can, in January.
10:56:35 Okay, maybe we should put it on the agenda for the eighteenth and send it out so we can take a look at it.
10:56:39 So we don't have anyone slated here for the.
10:56:43 20 ninth. We add a state, but I can always do it remotely.
10:56:52 One day 9 December. And
10:57:03 Hmm, I'll be around.
10:57:08 Happy to do it. Yeah. You're gonna, are you gonna be out of town as well, Hendy?
10:57:14 I don't know yet. I don't wanna, I don't wanna schedule anything that week. Okay, so we'll put it on page. Yeah, I'm just trying to get lots of time.
10:57:26 And December eighth, we have Kate's kind of I'll be doing Well, Mark did it for me this last week, but.
10:57:31 We have Kate this week. And then Greg and then Kate is what's on the schedule right now.
10:57:38 If I do the 20 ninth. If you do the 20 ninth. I can do the 20 ninth. We could also skip one.
10:57:47 You know, holidays, I think that would be acceptable. Well, that's what Jim says more music, but.
10:57:53 I'll work with Jim and figure it out. It always be remote too. Okay.
10:58:00 And then, I'll take, the fifth of January.
10:58:05 Hmm.
10:58:14 We wanna look in the couple weeks. 12. Yeah, I mean, I don't feel in my, my calendar.
10:58:25 19 is, meaning wildfire protection plan. So maybe, We put that one on Kate.
10:58:29 12 bit of coordinate response. I can't do that one. Coordinated county response? Oh, okay.
10:58:42 I could do the 12. Okay. Nice to do an MLK. Yeah.
10:58:52 I can do the nineteenth. Alright.
10:59:03 In January. Saturday January twentieth we do have that all day planning commission meeting or not we're just we're there for the second part but Hmm.
10:59:24 And then, 26 when Canada coordination I guess we'll put a lot of different chair that's doing county coordination.
10:59:37 Anything about who's sharing next year.
10:59:42 I think I should not. Thank you should not. Yeah. So it's my, rotation right but yeah, I mean.
10:59:55 I'm running for election potentially. Yeah. So as long as you're comfortable with doing both at the same time. It's fine. I don't know.
11:00:08 I mean, You guys, have you had to run for reelection in the chair?
11:00:25 From the. Yeah, I think I think it's not a big deal and if it is there 2 votes that would say, yeah, a big deal.
11:00:34 Yeah. We have the authority to change that pretty quickly and easily. So I'm, fine with it.
11:00:44 Okay.
11:00:45 Alright, if you are. Yeah, I guess so. I mean, I do everything I'm told around here.
11:00:55 Yeah, that's, yeah, always volunteering. That's good. No more Wasack committees though.
11:00:59 Or DNR committee. That's my joy. We're making great progress on the forest front. It's hard to make words. We're making great progress on the forest front.
11:01:12 All the stakeholders. It's been really good. We're making great progress on the forest front. All. All the stakeholders.
11:01:15 It's been really good. I don't think it's time to pull out of those.
11:01:17 Oh, I'm not, I'm not suggesting point. I just wanna make sure that you don't over commit to the point that you lose your joy.
11:01:25 All right, we've got 15Â min till our hearing. Do we wanna talk about? Oh, we can minutes.
11:01:34 Yeah, we can take a 5Â min recess. If I don't have one before 1115.
11:01:38 Yeah, now let me have one in the middle of the hearing. Let's take a recess for 5Â min and then maybe we can think about any questions.
11:01:45 And then maybe we can. Let's take a recess for 5Â min and then maybe we can.
11:01:51 Let's take a recess for 5Â min and then maybe we can, think about any questions we have that we want you know, using our full faith and credit.
11:01:53 I think that's a big question. What is what is our backing of that mean? Is there any other priorities where we would need our good credit in the next 20 years.
11:02:06 I mean, that's been a big question that I've had is. No, are there competing needs on the horizon and we haven't had that conversation.
11:02:15 Well, yeah, that takes priority. So if you have bondholders and you know you have a debt outstanding, you gotta pay that before you pay anything.
11:02:26 But it's considered. We're gonna come back. We're gonna talk about that a little bit.
11:02:27 We're gonna recess till 7 after.
11:08:23 Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
11:08:27 Okay. Nice. Alright, let me know you ready. Oh yeah, but we have we have a few other things.
11:08:41 So yeah, we can probably stop sharing and I'll call us back into session. We have a few minutes.
11:08:46 Little few more than 5Â min before we. Right for that, so maybe any other questions we were kind of started as I was recessing us talking about other questions we'd like ask
with the commerce about the PFT.
11:09:01 So. One was what are the. Financial implications and I think, and Mark said, it's probably, yeah, debt first.
11:09:12 So, I mean, we would be on the hook for it as the county ultimately is the, is that's the question.
11:09:17 Well, is it considered that? Because it is using our full faith and credit considered debt for a PFD.
11:09:28 That's a question. Yeah, we're the backstop for the PFD. I mean, the board.
11:09:32 Now if it was a city PFT, we wouldn't be on the hook for that.
11:09:37 That would be the full faith and credit of the city. But if the commissioners establish a PFD then then we're the guarantor of the debt.
11:09:48 Okay. Yeah, yeah, that's the and only the county wide gonna be. So what's the revenue potential from the city PFT versus accounting.
11:10:05 So what's the revenue potential from a city PFT versus a county BFD. I think Mark provided that information.
11:10:07 We did the math. Incidentally, here's our county treasurer. So if you were to look at sales tax generated by the city.
11:10:20 Based on what you shared this morning, you know, the one tenth for that particular. I forget what function it was, but it was like.
11:10:28 For every dollar the city. Collects and sales tax, we collect like 5.
11:10:35 So their ability to service. Yeah, their ability to service a dead of that size. They couldn't they couldn't do it.
11:10:44 You're saying in with sales tax the Cause we get a piece of the city sales tax as well.
11:10:52 What's the number of sales? So criminal justice, You would probably say, Yeah, sorry. Sorry to put you on the spot while you walked in the room.
11:11:10 So criminal justice. Is point 1% and sales in the city and sales in the county but the city keeps theirs and the county keeps there.
11:11:22 So it's an easy way to look at it versus the. Regular and optional where we get a portion of what the city.
11:11:27 Portion is. Yes. Hmm. Interesting.
11:11:37 Okay. And the county wide PFT would include the cities also. So we would have all 6, not just our 5.
11:11:47 Yeah, we only have one city. Right. But all 6, the 5 to one ratio. Oh, county. County.
11:11:56 County to city. But it's, yeah, it's, it's just a strange, result when you think often I mean we've got destination-based sales tax and a different we were talking this morning
about the different landscape that sales taxes even from a few years ago.
11:12:11 But to hear that it's, You know, that means in districts 2 and 3, there's 5 times as much sales tax collected as in. Right.
11:12:23 So when you look at everything that requires a sales tax construction is a huge one. And full county and road improvements.
11:12:35 Those all pay sales tax. I mean, there's a lot of area. Yeah, and the sewers going to generate a fair amount.
11:12:44 And even the a lot of construction in the city limits are probably. Purchasing in the county. At the you know, lumber yard.
11:12:53 Okay, yeah, if it's delivered, it would go to the city. Because it's where so if you have the work done at your house and it's brought there then it would be the work done at
your house and it's brought there then it would be the cities.
11:13:05 Versus if you go to the lumber yard in Hadlock, then it would go to the county. Interesting.
11:13:15 Okay. So it's interesting on that the MPD information that you shared, Mark last week. You know, the difference.
11:13:23 Stipulations and I guess the RCW or whatever that. Without a vote, you can issue a debt of a maximum of a quarter of 1%.
11:13:33 And just all these variables seem really important in this conversation and we're getting them like on the sly, you know, I just feel like it, we should, we need a full financial
analysis, not just of the PFD, but of the NPD options as well because what we're hearing in the county just feel like we should we need a full financial analysis not just of the PFD
but of the NPD options as well because
11:13:52 what A lot of support from district one. A lot, a lack of support almost completely from district 3.
11:13:59 And a mixed bag from District 2. And so I feel like we might need to consider a not a full county vote to actually get a school funded.
11:14:10 We might, I mean, I'm actually honestly motivated. We need a pool for the community, but what's the most?
11:14:17 Plausible path forward and the committee and reading all the minutes of all the steering committee meetings, you know, has landed on the PFD county wide, but it might not be
the most plausible to pass on a full vote of the county.
11:14:30 So I'm just curious like what are other options and maybe the Steering committee has really dived into all of these comparisons, but I didn't see that.
11:14:40 In the minutes. So I don't know what was considered by the steering committee and I would not make a I would not vote or make a recommendation on a pass forward without knowing
what the implications of the decision that we're going to make is going to be for the county for decades to come.
11:15:00 Yeah, we could certainly. Talk about how the all of the other options were ruled out this was considered the least bad of the few options that we had.
11:15:10 MPD largely being that it puts a much greater burden on a smaller. Number of people. And, directly conflicts with the school's ability to raise much needed funds for them and
the ability or the desire to not affect the schools.
11:15:28 Success in getting the funds they need. So pretty significant reason. Like, yeah, I get it.
11:15:33 But I mean, whether a full county DFD will pass at this point. The jury is out for me on that.
11:15:43 Sure. All right, guys. Well, we can continue the conversation, but we do have a scheduled hearing at 1115.
11:15:46 I see Peter with your hand up. We don't have any any opportunity right now for public comments so we will have hearing testimony in a moment so we're not going to bring you
over right now Mr. And order.
11:15:59 I'm sorry? That the newspaper newspaper? So, but we are here right now for the Jefferson County, 2,02425 biannual budget hearing.
11:16:11 I will, open this public hearing officially. If you join this meeting via the phone or the internet in which to provide hearing testimony, please stay on the line.
11:16:21 You'll be provided an opportunity to speak during public testimony. Thank you for being here. Before we open for public testimony, we will listen to our staff presentation.
11:16:28 Kenny Administrator, Mark McCauley, and finance manager, manager G Shepherd, are present to give this a presentation on this topic.
11:16:36 So we'll turn it over to Mark and and hear hear the presentation before we open for testimony. Thank you, Commissioners.
11:16:43 And I might add that our County Treasurer, Stacey Praders at the table as well.
11:16:47 Because half of the budget involves revenue. The other half involves expenditures. So I'm happy to transition from the dicey topic of the aquatic center to what I might call
the best budget I've seen since I got here.
11:17:04 At the county in 2017 for a variety of reasons. So I have about 24 slides or so.
11:17:14 When we get to the number heavy slides, I'm gonna hand the microphone to Judy.
11:17:19 Shepherd, our finance manager. But until then I will, do the talking.
11:17:27 So here's how we're going to handle this today. They'll be the budget presentation and then, Commissioner Brotherton will.
11:17:34 Invite the public to testify on the 2425 biennial budget and then. The board will have an opportunity to discuss what was presented today and if, if they.
11:17:48 Would like to make changes to the budget. They, will give staff direction in that regard. In any case, we'll be back before you on Monday the eleventh, asking you to adopt the
budget.
11:18:02 Along with some other documents and cost application plan and so on. So just for the public's benefit, I just wanted to briefly describe the budget process.
11:18:20 I know that when Judy and I were with Taylor at KPTZ, he was very interested in the process and the degree of public participation.
11:18:31 He was disappointed when we reported that there's very little participation on the part of the public and I don't know why that is maybe it's a boring topic or they have a lot
of faith in the county.
11:18:42 And can trust us to put together budgets. That's what I like to believe. So anyway, the process that we've gone, through this year, it's, a very transparent process.
11:18:55 We give the public a lot of opportunity to give the public a lot of opportunity to weigh in on the budget.
11:19:03 It begins with the public a lot of opportunity to weigh in on the budget. It begins with the publication of a resolution by the board laying out.
11:19:05 Budget objectives and procedures for the formulation of the budget. That is followed by the auditors budget call and that occurred on August first Then the departments and elected
officials have just over a month to put their budgets together and submit them to the auditor.
11:19:25 This year that was September fifth
11:19:28 Then, Normy Riddle and, and Judy. Make the preliminary budget available. On September, the 20 ninth and then we follow that up with budget presentations to the board by elected
officials and department directors and this year those occurred on October fourth and fifth.
11:19:48 Following that, there was a county administrator, finance manager, COCC budget workshop. Where staff recommended additions to the general fund budget and to some selected other
funds.
11:20:05 So that today what we're presenting to the board is no surprise to them and it enhances the probability that we'll get a favorable vote when.
11:20:16 We come back to you on the eleventh. As a result of that workshop, we then published the recommended budget and then of course today's budget hearing and then next week adoption
of the budget.
11:20:30 So referring back to the biennial budget objectives and procedures resolution, 30 dash 23. This is a summary of the main points that were in that resolution.
11:20:43 That operating transfers to other funds unless otherwise approved by the board would remain at 2023 levels.
11:20:51 And on salary and benefit increases in budgets would be limited to 1.5%. And really that's sort of a cautionary measure.
11:21:02 You know, the economy, whether you think it's in great shape or not, there's a lot of debate on that subject, but I went to the conference board this morning.
11:21:11 And leading economic indicators are in negative mode and the global economy is slowing. China is.
11:21:20 Having serious difficulties with their real estate sector and growth in the US is projected to be at point 8% after maybe some negative GDP growth in the first 2 quarters.
11:21:34 And so this, I think, was prudent guidance to our department directors and elected officials. It also includes ratified bargaining agreements and Our hope was that we would
have 4 of those.
11:21:46 In fact, we only had one and that was UFC WI did report out though that Sheriff's admin did approve their collective bargaining agreement and we'll have that to you shortly
for approval.
11:22:01 And we have to sit back down with Public Works Teamsters because they, they did not vote to.
11:22:08 Except the agreement that was before them. So, will be in supplemental budget appropriation mode on those agreements and we have not yet sat down with.
11:22:18 Public works or I'm sorry with central services Teamsters and we hope to do that soon.
11:22:26 Then of course the standard language about FTE additions that budgets must be balanced and the recommended reserves must be maintained.
11:22:38 So just some considerations as the budget was put together. We continue to see strong projected general fund revenues.
11:22:47 And as we head into 2024, we're going to have a very healthy general fund cash balance.
11:22:55 I think I'm predicting about 8.5 million.
11:23:00 But there's pent-up demand and departments and the board saw that in the budget requests from department directors and during the workshop that we had on November second.
11:23:10 And, the board, I think wisely, and agreed to meet some of those demands and I'll cover that in the slide that's upcoming.
11:23:21 Now inflation, if you go to the Seattle CPI. Web page you add up the numbers from the last 3 years, 21.5%.
11:23:34 That's a stunning number considering that in the previous 3 years it was less than. 4% for 3 years.
11:23:43 So this is making life difficult, not just for us, but for businesses and for all governments that rely on.
11:23:51 Tax revenues. We also, because of the strong revenues, even in spite of the inflation and to help us be more competitive and so on.
11:24:07 We see significant increases in employee compensation in this budget.
11:24:13 And as we get into the new year and we consummate additional collective bargaining agreements, you'll see.
11:24:21 Supplemental appropriations to handle these increases. So we're assuming some risk, but I believe the risk is an acceptable level.
11:24:32 So here are the numbers. This is all funds and it's stunning that we cross the 100 million dollar threshold and we and we did not we did not just meet it we blew right past
it and credit goes to 2 funds in particular the road fund and credit goes to, 2 funds in particular, the road fund and, the super fund.
11:25:05 And that's just tremendous news And I think 16 of it is road fund. And Judy will have the details later in this presentation.
11:25:12 But then you can see. That we taper off somewhat in 2025 unless of course during 2,024 we obtain additional grant revenues because those numbers are subject to change based
on.
11:25:24 Events that will occur subsequent to this briefing.
11:25:29 Little more detail. And general fund is inching towards 30 million. I think when I got here we were at 20.
11:25:36 And so in. 6 and a half years we've seen substantial growth in our general fund. But you can see the estimated fund balance.
11:25:48 There you go. 7.6 6. With large unreserved.
11:25:57 And this is my favorite chart. This is the one that. Indicates where we're headed. Your first column is where I think we will end up.
11:26:08 2023 and then of course the. 2 budget years and then beyond that. 2627 and 28.
11:26:17 Of particular note is how healthy the ending fund balance numbers are. In my time here, we've seen and unreserved fund balances in the year 5 of the 5 year projection window
as low as 300,000.
11:26:35 And so. If projections hold, we're going to have a very good 5 year period ahead of us.
11:26:44 So just stressing. I think that we've insulated ourselves somewhat against. An economic downturn and that refers back to the risk.
11:26:57 I mean, I, oh, sorry. My bad.
11:27:06 And I might remind the board that there is some general fund money that's currently in the sewer fund providing liquidity for that project. Providing liquidity for that project.
11:27:19 I think you know that our treasurer, providing liquidity for that project. I think you know that our treasurer is securing a line of credit for the sewer construction project
that hopefully will be in place in another month or 2.
11:27:26 At which time that 1 million can return. And that provides additional cushion for the general fund. Or it could be used for capital.
11:27:37 I know, a new facility for the county would be. Something, that we would all like to see.
11:27:46 Alright. So.
11:27:52 Couple of challenges and opportunities. Padlock sewer project fully funded and under construction. And of course the one tenth 1% affordable housing sales tax the housing fund
board I think is doing a really good job of distributing those monies for the purposes they were.
11:28:10 Imposed bullet 3 is really exciting for me, Department of Community Development. Is fully staffed and is reducing permit wait times to reasonable levels.
11:28:23 I just have to say that is probably my biggest. Point of relief in this entire presentation. Just because, my phone 6 months, 8 months ago was ringing off the hook.
11:28:36 With you know people with their permanent wait times and I'm just super I just wanna Put a PIN in that bullet point.
11:28:44 And just I completely agree with you, Mark.
11:28:48 Well, I think we have the board to think as well because you approved all the contracts and and you approved a $300,000 boost to the transfer to community development for next
year so credit goes all around.
11:29:04 And Josh and the entire team over there for all that work. Yeah, and I might add that morale in that office is the best I've seen.
11:29:11 You really should pop in unannounced and just walk around and you can sense the change. It's Really encouraging.
11:29:22 And then continued inter governmental cooperation, super important as we, all the jurisdictions begin their long-range comp plan and other plan updates.
11:29:35 Capital project and property management. We're in the process. Oops, we're in the process of hiring a central services director.
11:29:46 At least one of them has substantial capital project management experience. And so I'm hoping in this two-year period funded by this budget that we'll see significant progress
there.
11:29:59 Of course chronic road fund funding shortages. That's a problem that continues. I know that this budget doesn't increase the amount of funding.
11:30:09 Road fund, but depending on how 2024 looks, we could reduce it another 50,000 in 2025.
11:30:21 They you know as we shift the transition to electric vehicles. Motor vehicle fuel tax is going to become a bigger problem.
11:30:31 For public works.
11:30:34 As, Less fuel is sold and I I don't know Kate whether there's legislation on the horizon to somehow make owners of electric vehicles 3 of which are sitting right in front of
me.
11:30:49 Contribute to the to the road fund or not. We pay quite a bit into the road fund actually with much higher tab fees.
11:30:57 Oh my god, renew my tabs. I was like, wow. Why didn't you tell me? No, Sara. I bet I know.
11:31:08 About $300. $300. $300. $300. Yeah.
11:31:12 So depending how many miles you travel it, you know. About $300. $300. Yeah.
11:31:14 So depending how many miles you travel, it, you know, monthly did the math for me. Well, it was 3 75.
11:31:17 Yeah, 4 of us. And that goes, does that go into the motor vehicle fuel tax fund? Okay, excellent. Thank you.
11:31:23 I did not know that. Monty did the math for me and said I was paying about twice as much because I don't drive a lot.
11:31:28 Hmm. But there is legislation which would, you know, charge for, profiles.
11:31:38 Yeah. But that experiment didn't really work very well, did it? What were the outputs of that?
11:31:40 I mean, that experiment didn't really work very well, did it? What were the outputs of that?
11:31:42 I mean, like they had some meters on cars. Yeah, yeah, no, it's more resistance to because of privacy concerns is the you know where I've been yeah that's the real red block
final thing that I'm keeping is that bit of privacy.
11:32:01 Okay, sorry. Okay, so, you know, counties every every time we do a budget, we talk about the 1% property tax limitation and how it doesn't keep up with inflation, but 21.5.
11:32:21 Percent compared to 3% increase. And property taxes. And it's just stunning that we have that disconnect.
11:32:29 And then of course I mentioned the conference board and the uncertain economic outlook. I always have to keep our finger on that pulse.
11:32:39 So at the November second workshop with the board. And staff recommended some enhancements and the board was open to those.
11:32:51 And these are the enhancements that were approved by the board and that are in the budget. I need to.
11:32:57 Make you aware of 2 enhancements that were not in this chart. One was or fund 1 47 and we talked about it during the workshop and I probably should have added it to the chart
but I did not.
11:33:11 Was 67,000 in fund 1 47 title 3. For the sheriff's emergency vehicle so that is in the budget not on this chart And then the board recently approves new code language.
11:33:29 For the fire marshal to establish a commercial fire inspection program and it also authorized the fire marshal to impose fees.
11:33:37 So Phil Seir. At my request. Put together a staffing plan to staff. The farm marshal office using revenues that would be generated from that inspection program.
11:33:53 And so we have put placeholders in the budget. To create that capability. And that would be salaries benefits and the cost of the vehicle and that sort of thing.
11:34:08 It would at least be revenue neutral. Now we have to negotiate with each Jefferson fire in the city of Port Townsend to conduct fire inspections inside city limits.
11:34:18 But there are developments on that front that make that likely. And so, when we come to you next week, if you approve the budget, you will be setting up the fire marshal office
to create and fund that program.
11:34:33 And Phil Cesir is working with Barbara Ehrlichman to bring up the proposal to you.
11:34:39 So. Marcus, is the, I see the partial fairgrounds, agreement add is that Is that the total ad for next year or is that?
11:34:56 Well, there's already 11. In the budget. So 39 gets it to. 50.
11:35:02 And so this is for 2024 and it'll it'll be in the 2025 also.
11:35:08 But we've talked about increasing that to a hundred. Huh? Oh, excuse me. Thank you.
11:35:17 That's, that's my mistake. Thank you. That's that's my mistake.
11:35:22 But not reflected here but in the. Okay, thank you very much. Okay, I mentioned improved compensation.
11:35:29 Here's some highlights about that and this just a reminder this is UFCW only and that we're these parameters, pretty much our opening salvo when we sit down with bargaining
units, 12% pay raise over the next 3 years.
11:35:45 Increasing steps from 2 and a half to 3%. Transitioning to the personal time off. And then some other selected enhancements.
11:35:57 Increased time off carryover from year to year, a more liberal bereavement lead policy. And merit step increases and then we've added tiers for longevity.
11:36:10 In the case of USCW, I think after 25 years there was no longevity increase and so we fixed that.
11:36:17 So anyway, I'm very proud of what we did with UFCW and hope.
11:36:22 To extend these benefits to other employees. As we continue to negotiate.
11:36:28 And just remind, I've been getting some push back criticism for. My ivory tower and cause she This is does these do not extend to our elected officials.
11:36:41 So 4 of the 7 people sitting in the room are not part of these, improved compensation and benefits.
11:36:46 Pictures and I'm just saying that out loud because people have been actually miss. Representing my benefits.
11:36:56 Thank you for clarifying. Okay, all right, so here some budget policies the resolution that I mentioned previously that I mentioned previously that we and we looked at the resolution
that I mentioned previously that we and we looked at the parameters that were in that resolution that I mentioned previously that we and we looked at the parameters that were in that
resolution.
11:37:20 And then of course prop one and then, 41 19 setting minimum reserves. For each fund.
11:37:28 Alright, I mentioned a transition to numbers and. There it is. Alright, take her away, Judy.
11:37:36 Alright, good morning. Okay, so, before we, the first area we talk about are the treasures revenues.
11:37:47 These revenues are received into the general fund and these are our budgeted revenues and we have a Mark, Stacey and I get together every year and we go through the history,
we talk about every single one to get a feel for where we think they're going, how they're doing, what's not performing, what is performing.
11:38:10 And so we've taken quite a bit of care in this. And as you've seen in our past budgets, our revenue numbers are not too far off.
11:38:18 So we're feeling very fortunate in that as well. So we're at 24 million for budgeted revenues for 2,024 and then 24.5 million roughly for 2025.
11:38:31 And so, that's what we expect for revenues coming into the general fund. Look at that investment income.
11:38:39 Treasurer's revenue is really that overperforming built now is that that's not oh well this year it was 2.6 2.7 we budgeted 600 and you know I'm just like standing oh yeah so
it should flatten and the goal of the beds would be that it goes down in a second quarter or probably next year or mid year.
11:39:07 Well, let's wait as long as we can. You know, of course it's the debt.
11:39:12 Interest in come 2 sides of the same coin. Right. Yeah, that's yeah, we're not holding much that with So our coin is mostly one sided.
11:39:22 Okay, next slide.
11:39:26 And this is the revenues from the individual departments within the general fund. Most of, in fact, all our elected officials, their departments are in this fund.
11:39:39 And so we're looking at 3 million a lot of this is has to do with grants that each of these funds receive and also some of what they get from other areas as well.
11:39:53 So, and fees. And fees, yes, of course, fees. Absolutely. Okay.
11:40:08 Hmm. Well, what's going on? Okay, so. Oh yeah, yeah, that's the last of it.
11:40:09 Oh, the last of it is here. So, this talks about, well, this is expenditures.
11:40:18 This talks about, well, this is expenditures. I'm sorry. There we go. We can stop here.
11:40:20 Okay. So these are the expenditures for 20. So these are the expenditures for 2,024 and 2,025 for the general fund.
11:40:27 25 for the general fund. We're right around, 20 million. Not a lot of difference between 24 and 25.
11:40:32 And the main reason for that is we really don't know, what 25 is gonna do, right? At this point.
11:40:41 And so, funds did a great job of holding to that 1.5 increase so we were able to and in some areas reduced it.
11:40:55 You know, every the instruction from the board was well taken in and well administered.
11:41:03 And this is the rest of it, non departmental. And non-departmental has a lot of those expenditures that impact the entire county, entire impact the entire general fund.
11:41:15 You know, our different things like jazz, you know, our defense attorney. Indigent defense close to what, 950,000 and then of course our, what, 950,000 and then of course our
liability insurance property insurance property insurance and then on behalf of the general fund and then of course our liability insurance property insurance and then on behalf of
the general fund on
11:41:37 departmental pays for facilities and then on behalf of the general fund on departmental pays for facilities and IT support.
11:41:39 Some big ticket items there. And we start. I mean, that's that's ultimately neutral, right?
11:41:45 The departments pay back for the facilities and the IT. Well, facilities is a neutral department. So they are not they cannot build more, receive more than what the work they
do, right?
11:41:57 And so, but we did have some increases in there. So, you know, software agreements, I mean, there's just there were a lot of different things that increase that budget.
11:42:07 Yeah, and we pay the state auditor out of this and professional services. There's probably 25 line items.
11:42:13 It's pretty robust, as you can see, is 6 million. Yeah. And then, operating transfers, you go back.
11:42:23 That's okay. Operating transfers. These are the transfers out to other funds, from the general fund. And the process for this is they have to request that.
11:42:36 It was, from the general fund. And the process for this is they have to request that.
11:42:40 It was, they were to remain static from 2023 to 2024 and then there were additional requests that the process for this is they have to request that.
11:42:49 It was they were to remain static from 2023 to 2024 and then As you might have seen in the ad slide was cooperative extension, asked for an additional transfer.
11:42:52 Let's see, development went from 450,000 to 750,000 to 750,000 to 750,000.
11:43:05 Development went from 450,000 to 750,000. Parks and wrecks increased a 150, public health remains static, which was in roads is kind of based on Piff and other things that they
get.
11:43:13 So actually transfers look really good. Yeah, holding the line. Okay. This is the revenue and expenditures for other funds and other funds.
11:43:28 So the fund numbers from 104 to, one. 1 81 87 right around in there are what we call special revenue funds and they must receive 20% of their revenue outside of the county government
to stay a special revenue fund.
11:43:45 And so when you see revenues here, they're getting revenue from other sources. That's going to be from grants.
11:43:51 It's going to be from other interagency agreements. It can be fees. All of that.
11:43:59 So if you'll go ahead and take it down the next slide where we get to the totals.
11:44:04 Okay, so I know Mark mentioned County Roads is at 17 million. And then, you know, they had a lot of projects they're doing in 2024.
11:44:17 So you can see the difference between 24 and 25. And then if you go down to solid waste, solid waste is the funds for a one through 4 or 5 with a try.
11:44:29 A sewer at fund 405. And that is where you see that 19 million. Close to 20.
11:44:35 Right. And then a drop off in 2,025 because you have quite a bit of instruction construction in 24.
11:44:41 So, so you're looking at 74 million for other revenue funds and for revenue coming in and then 80 million going out for expenditures.
11:44:52 And quite a bit less in 25. Mainly that a lot of that has to do with the fact they just really don't know what's gonna happen in some of these funds.
11:45:01 So, We do a biennium, amendment in. Oh, it's the end of 24 or the last quarter of 24 that will set our numbers a little.
11:45:13 Stronger probably for 2025. Okay. Okay, staffing.
11:45:21 So let's talk about staffing for a minute. Our staffing has changed a little bit over the last few years.
11:45:28 And there's been a lot of talk about the recession time of 2,008, right?
11:45:33 I'd have to say that we're probably hitting getting close to hitting those 2,008, getting back to the 2,008 staffing.
11:45:42 One thing that we have to remember and looking at this, these are budgeted staffing staffed positions.
11:45:48 Right now we're averaging about 20 positions less in actuals. So, so and as you see when you pull up the website there's a lot of positions out there that are still open at
the county.
11:46:02 But we do have some increases here. A lot of these are going from, increases to part-time or Kirk hires exactly.
11:46:14 Prosecuting attorney, we approved a paralegal position for the or let's not the civic, the civil prosecuting attorneys.
11:46:25 Help their therapeutic courts is a new fund that was created this last year and they're still waiting to hire some people for that.
11:46:34 So that's why we're still at 1.3 8 and even though we only just have one person in it.
11:46:39 So you talk about emergency management why are we I mean I know that Are we not replacing the person?
11:46:45 Just left? Like losing a job? 1.6 positions. DM, safety and security.
11:46:52 Oh, that throws me every time with that name. So that's a.
11:47:01 I'm not sure, you know, I might need to look into that. I don't think that's due to the person that they've lost.
11:47:07 I think it has something to do with his clerk hires. Because I did review it with him. I did go over it with him.
11:47:14 In fact, I think I have the grant funding for positions that? Yeah, I think that was and it was gonna bump back up in 2025 if I remember but we don't we don't report this in
for 2025 so he has 2 FTE and I think he has 4.
11:47:29 2025. So he has 2 FTE and I think he has 4 clerk higher positions and they depending on what's on the work schedule, and I think he has 4 clerk higher positions and they depending
on what's on the work schedule, and they depending on what's on the work schedule, the number of hours, it's like hires work very.
11:47:37 Yeah. Okay, if we can go to the.
11:47:44 One thing I did wanna mention too, oh, we had an additional. Hr position under county administrator.
11:47:52 And then, auditor, we increased payroll staff. There as well. One thing that we are dealing with at the county is the PF, the FMLA and the PFML.
11:48:07 Is being used quite a bit. Okay. And not that it shouldn't be used. Okay.
11:48:13 I'm not saying that, but what that does is it impacts this in such a way that we end up having to hire people.
11:48:20 To be able to do their jobs because their jobs have to be remain open and available for them to come back.
11:48:26 And so the work still has to get done in a lot of our critical functions. And so that has presented some challenges.
11:48:34 So we might see some fluctuation in FTE due to that.
11:48:38 Okay. Other funds? Just a Pretty much the main one is going to be DCD, community development.
11:48:48 The main reorganization that was done this last year with managers over every department and then the fire marshal department set up with additional in there as well.
11:49:01 Did you have anything you wanted to comment about that? Not really. And then, try area sewer ramping up to actually build the super.
11:49:10 I think Manny's now got like 4 folks there.
11:49:15 Some part timers and a couple of full 3 full time folks I think.
11:49:21 So it looks like a rather robust. 328 employees, right? But I mean if you keep in mind we're still right around 20 less than that for our actual so
11:49:37 Alright.
11:49:40 So, I don't anticipate that the board will have changes for next Monday, but, you have to deliberate, I guess, a little bit and take public comment and so.
11:49:53 If there are changes you'd like to see, we'll make notes and bring them back to you.
11:49:57 Thank you guys so much. And we've, of course, this is not the first time it's been across our desk as you know exactly nothing too new here but any clarifying questions before
we open for testimony.
11:50:08 No, all right. As your elected officials, we want to hear your testimony on this issue of your testimony.
11:50:13 Will it help inform our deliberations and decisions. I'll now open the hearing to listen to your public testimony.
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11:50:42 We did not receive any written hearing testimony. So I'll ask the participants with us. Would anyone like to give testimony for our public hearing about the 2425 biennial budget?
11:50:55 And we will continue to deliberate so we'll leave is the idea that to leave the hearing open until the eleventh or just close the hearing and make our thank you, I think you
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11:51:09 So I don't, I don't see a need to extend that. This is just funny when there's no.
11:51:15 Right. Just like the big small decisions in front of us. I'll call again if anyone is with us virtually that would like to make public testimony.
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11:51:34 And, and, and, Alright, I'll make one final call. Does anyone wish to give public testimony to the 2425 budget by a Neil presentation.
11:51:48 Okay, speak now or forever hold their peace. Yeah. Stay here. Okay.
11:51:57 All right, well, thank you everyone. Hearing no testimony. This public hearing is now closed.
11:52:05 We are going to deliberate. I guess any deliberations now we can briefly deliver. We'll make our final decision on this.
11:52:15 I think this is I'm a broken record but you know I do think. This question of kind of long range planning for another county facility at some point.
11:52:25 Like that's gonna have to hit our budgeting and planning process. And so, doesn't need to be now, obviously, but.
11:52:33 You know, thinking about how, you know, how we work towards squirrelling away some capital for that or, what priority?
11:52:45 You bringing in some planning assistance for that. I just don't want to lose sight of that as we have more and more employees, you know, we're leasing more space, like we have.
11:52:56 A lot of challenges in this building. I'm not proposing that I know what we're planning for.
11:53:02 But I do want to keep that on the horizon, cause I think that's gonna be a big need for the county and coming years.
11:53:12 And again, what time, when's the best to plan time to plant a tree, right? Yeah.
11:53:18 So on that note, it's the best of the time to fly on the tree, right? Yeah.
11:53:20 So on that note, it's like that would be a question for your P How does our future ability to bond for a public facility?
11:53:25 How would it be impacted by the formation of a PFD? For the Aquatic Center.
11:53:30 I mean, does it hamstring our ability? To do other capital projects over the next 20 years and if so, how?
11:53:38 I would like to know specifics, not just conjecture that I'm getting. Dozens of comments about every day now.
11:53:46 Respond to that. Thank goodness Stacy is here. So they're really, really 2 questions when we talk about a new facility.
11:53:56 One is that capacity and Stacey is the expert on that. I think we have just enormous amounts of capacity.
11:54:04 Because there's some formula that determines how much we can borrow. The second part of that is what could we afford to repay?
11:54:12 And I, if I recall correctly, we had that service payments of. What a quarter 1 million on capital or on Castle Hill.
11:54:23 And, and that sort of handicapped the capital fund for a long time from 2,001, I think, until 2021 And so if you Think about that a quarter 1 million
11:54:39 Pretty much absorbed what was available in our capital fund. If we were to build a new county facility, it would be tens of millions, probably 2030, 35 million depending on
what we wanted to put in the building and that service on that would be.
11:54:55 A million and a half a year or more and So aspirationally, yeah, a new county building.
11:55:04 I'd love to come to work in one. But. And we afford it would be the question.
11:55:11 Anything to add? As the expert. Oh, I think of you. Yes.
11:55:25 So, really the big question is what we want to use as the funding source and that is always what plays into how much the debt will cost and definitely having some of that debt.
11:55:33 Mature and paid off. Is a big deal. We've definitely always had more debt capacity.
11:55:43 Yes, then. I would think a lot of other places. I also think it's been ally prudent and wise for us but you know would we be going for a general obligation debt structure or
limited is it based on sales tax?
11:56:03 Is it based on property taxes? How strong is the economy? How strong is our local, you know, citizenry and, you know, the properties and ability to pay back.
11:56:16 It all comes together and even when you get a bond rating it wants to know. What's the education level in your community development department do they have their certifications,
how, how well built are the homes in our our jurisdiction.
11:56:35 There's a lot that goes into that. So there's not a silver bullet for if we do this then we will get this rating or this rate for borrowing.
11:56:51 But yes, we have the capacity. It's also
11:56:56 You know, I'll just put the plug personally. I'm really glad that we've been putting more.
11:57:03 Focus on staffing wages that We have always really. Appreciated, but I think financially putting the money toward that shows it and I also think you're just, it's always gonna
lag, we do our best.
11:57:24 So yeah, the other will be. Depends when you go out for it on what we would end up needing to pay for a rate and you know certainly now it's higher than it would have been if
it been for 10 years after the Great Recession.
11:57:42 But, yeah, we have capacity. We also on the Great Recession. But, yeah, we have capacity.
11:57:50 We also on the, cash fund balance, you want to keep at least a 60 day. Amount of cash which our 15% is a little bit shy of that.
11:57:59 But that plays into the state auditors. Kind of report card on how well we're doing financially.
11:58:05 What would 60 days be? When you say a little shy. I think it's like, 18%.
11:58:12 Okay. So we increase that. Do the calc on that. I'm sure I'm off.
11:58:21 We're spending a lot right now because of the sewer. Yeah. Well, and even if like, you know, and I'm not proposing like we need a 30 million dollar new building but it'd be
interesting maybe we come at it from the other direction which is how much debt could we serve if that's 9 million dollars, what's our greatest need?
11:58:39 Is it to upgrade the jail? Is it for more office space? As long as they're showers.
11:58:50 And it's in district 2. The middle of the calendar and where should we be investing as a question so I just think.
11:59:01 And where should we be investing? It's a question. And where should we be investing as a question? So I just think.
11:59:07 And that is a good question because our county There's another locations clearly because like the sheriff's office and things like that.
11:59:11 Hmm. Sorry, got another rabbit hole. But one of the other things that I noticed in the in the budget conversation is that we've talked about 0 emission vehicles, but really
There isn't a path as we budget department by department going through it.
11:59:28 So we might want to think. Systemically about that change as well but i mean Noxious weed, vehicle purchase.
11:59:38 Yeah. We have the conversation about that. I mean, yeah, and the assessor and I mean, lots of different department said, yeah, that's fine.
11:59:47 But if you're trying to hold cost down to 1.5, you're not looking at, you know, life of the vehicle costs and everything.
11:59:54 So we just maybe are. Maybe it's a calculation with our new central services director about how ERNR works and looking for a way that makes it pencil in a way that it doesn't
normally.
12:00:05 Yeah, I think what we're gonna probably need is a board resolution. Yeah.
12:00:13 Affirm, right, right. I will see. Totally. That backs it up with the dollars.
12:00:18 I mean, that's what's gonna have to do and and I think the case can be made for the costs being, you know.
12:00:23 Neutral even advantageous but it's not Not at purchase point, so it's hard to put that in the departments.
12:00:29 Yeah, and part of the onboarding for, Josh Montgomery, our new fleet manager, is gonna be this conversation. Okay.
12:00:36 And I can get him an interview with each of you.
12:00:40 Okay, great. Any other further will more chance to talk about this next week? But, Judy looks like, do you have something that, okay, I can see the wheels turning and, okay.
12:00:58 He knows you stopped talking. So next week we will finish this conversation, deliver a little more and deliver a little more and 1 30 is when we're scheduled to, finish this
conversation, deliver a little more, and 1 30 is when we're scheduled to, a little more and 1 30 is when we're scheduled to hopefully adopt this budget as presented so Yeah, next week
there'll be a simple agenda request and
12:01:13 I can attach the presentation a second time. Great. Okay. Anything else before we reset for lunch?
12:01:27 All right. Well, thank you for all the work that went into this. I know this has been a 6 month process, you know, working with all the departments and I've heard.
12:01:34 Great things about how collaborative you have been, Judy, and getting people ready for this a lot of first time directors kind of jumping into this for the first time.
12:01:45 So really appreciate the tutelage that you brought throughout this process. Okay, great. Well, this, this hearing is closed and we will recess until 1 30.
13:32:19 All right, I'll call this meeting of the Board of County Commissioners back into session. We're joined by Eric Kuzma and Monty Reinders for our transportation improvement plan
hearing but we're still waiting for Commissioner Dean who is in transit right now.
13:32:36 So maybe we'll just kind of slow roll getting the presentation going. And I'll get the hearing.
13:32:43 We have a quorum. Statement, yeah. I guess we're gonna start saying that more and more. Right.
13:32:51 Okay, sure. Well, let's get it going. we'll open this public hearing regarding the 6 year transportation improvement plan.
13:32:59 This public hearing is now open. If you join this meeting via the phone, it was to provide hearing testimony, please stay on the line.
13:33:04 You'll be provided an opportunity to speak during public testimony. The same goes for folks joining us online.
13:33:11 And thank you for being here before we open for public testimony. We'll listen to the staff presentation.
13:33:15 Assistant Public Works Director Eric Kuzma is present to give us a presentation on the topic.
13:33:20 And joined by the Public Works Director, Monty Ryaners. So. Perfect timing and we'll pass it over to Eric for your presentation on the tip.
13:33:31 Right, so we're here to present the 2429 6 year transportation improvement program. This year we did not one but 2 briefings with you guys previously so today's just the hearing
to see if we have any public comments we've Notice this, this is available on our website.
13:33:52 And there's a paper copy and public works and also here at the courthouse. So I checked at the.
13:33:58 There was no comments. Happy to run through anything you guys want to see, but you've seen.
13:34:08 Not too much of a presentation today unless. Okay, like more of one. No, we've seen all the information that we have again in the packet and on the screen.
13:34:19 The one big change really was the raise grant added in there, right? Is that the most substantial change?
13:34:25 To raise that. Oh, right. Yeah, both are in there. Yeah.
13:34:28 Okay, any other questions or comments from Kate or Heidi? I feel like we're up to speed.
13:34:36 I'll just say, thank you. Okay. I'm sorry. I like back 15 months ago and then had to buy home and back again.
13:34:47 I, like back 15 months ago and then had to buy home and back again. So I got my phone at home.
13:34:49 So. Got some exercise. I'm really glad we're doing this today because I missed the last presentation on this.
13:34:57 So, I'd say no surprises. Looks great. Really like the map format.
13:35:05 I'm curious if we did we get any testimony.
13:35:11 One of the I think one of the things we do. Well, I mean, just so we don't, we're not done in 5Â min.
13:35:17 Why don't you just, Give us a super high level overview, Eric, of kind of.
13:35:22 You know, I know you've talked, you don't have to go into projects or anything, but kind of the.
13:35:27 The idea behind the 6 year tip and you know, how to give us a Some jazz hands for a few minutes.
13:35:34 Yeah, well, I mean, one thing to note, I, I don't think you guys saw this previously, but you know, every other year, I think we're gonna start doing this every year.
13:35:41 We pull the board. To have you guys prioritize our criteria and interestingly enough as a mathematical exercise grant availability stayed at the top which Thank you.
13:35:52 We couldn't do without those funds. Yeah. But in second place, we had a 6 weights high, you know, averaging out, you know, so that was the natural break point, to prioritize
those criteria.
13:36:06 So that's interesting. To prioritize those criteria. So that's interesting.
13:36:12 To prioritize those criteria. So that's interesting. Exactly point 8, huh? Point 8.
13:36:17 Well, yeah, I think so. So it just, yes. So that's interesting part.
13:36:18 And then, and then otherwise, yeah, to kind of recap next year, potentially we have a pretty busy construction year, but that.
13:36:25 We'll see. You know, cause we're still, there's a lot of balls up in the air.
13:36:27 So one project for sure is the road departure or HSIP project. I was safety improvement project that's going to replace some 5 600 signs in the county and reflectors and whatnot.
13:36:40 So then we bit out this year. And get built next year. The overlay project 4.2 4 so miles center.
13:36:51 I know a lot of people are very excited about that one. So I've got those plans on my desk right now.
13:36:55 I've got those plans on my desk right now. We're looking to go out to add on that early next year.
13:36:57 Great. Olympic discovery trail potentially, which would be great, but we're still, there's a few more loose ends to tie up on that one.
13:37:05 So how many of us and Nailers Creek projects we have the 2 we swap the funding on that from a WDF.
13:37:13 Fisher, removal funds to the protect funds which federalized the project. But we were able to increase the project funding and and and eliminate match.
13:37:21 So that was a a win win. And then we also, I mean, there's the forever quil scene project out there.
13:37:35 And gonna happen this year though, right? Oh, that's still waiting on the right away issues.
13:37:38 It's been number one for years. It's been number one for years, it's been number one for years, it's been number one for years, it's been number one for years, it's been number
one for years, it's ported by Piff. It's been number one for years, it's ported by Piff. Yeah.
13:37:55 But you got until the end of 20 Yeah, but heavily grant funded with. You know, very limited amount of matches.
13:38:01 Mark and I were talking about earlier. That's great. And can you talk a little bit about the road fund cliff in the chart that's that's always there.
13:38:08 It's always a scary chart to look at. The cliff remains and as you guys know we we manage that and you know revenues to timber revenues are always going down and we're You know,
we do what we have to do to keep it in chat.
13:38:24 So. Sounds like, Hmm. Add some commentary on this topic. Hmm.
13:38:38 I you know, when Eric says we manage this so that we don't, fall off the cliff.
13:38:46 He's not kidding. I mean, we've done conscious things to, you see that our, fund balances remain roughly steady at 4 million but To do that, we essentially cut our chip seal
program in half from what we were doing.
13:39:03 Earlier in this graph. When it was going down back in the 2,01011 12 era which is right when the federal timber.
13:39:13 Revenue cuts of over a million dollars a year hit us. And, since then, you know, more and more money has gone to.
13:39:23 Regular operations and now to the point where virtually none goes to capital projects. So. Back in the 20 years ago maybe road maintenance consumed 60% 65% of our regular operating
non grant revenues.
13:39:45 Now it consumes 90. Percent of those revenues and that's doing half the chip ceiling that we were doing back then.
13:39:53 We're also our road crew is smaller by a couple of positions than it was back in those days so those are those are things we've had to do and continue to do, but we're running
out of.
13:40:06 Tricks to do that. I mean, we can have no chip seal program, but because that does consume a large portion of the funds.
13:40:16 Given that you're you're using the most expensive products oil. On the market and rock.
13:40:24 Has tripled in price over that time frame. This year Iraq came from Aberdeen. We used to get it down the road at the Canal Bridge, but it's not made there anymore.
13:40:37 Prior a few years before this year it was coming from. You know west of Lake Crescent from the Broken Brock pit out there.
13:40:46 I mean, great that we still have these contractors. Willing to supply these chip materials, but they're coming from further and further away, which means the trucking with the
fuel costs has gone way up.
13:40:56 So, Do we have to get back in the market sometime? I mean, we used to make our own shit.
13:41:04 Well, yeah, that's that it's pretty expensive to get back into that game. The overheads really high and managing pits that way to crush and wash and all that stuff.
13:41:11 It's just the cost of business has gone up, you know, so road striping, which is something we contract out to the private sector.
13:41:19 $350,000 a year. For our roads just to put paint down that lasts a year.
13:41:29 We buy the paint off the state contract to get the best deal and make sure it's not marked up.
13:41:35 It's just. Practically half the entire cost is just the paint and the costs on that have gone way up.
13:41:42 But the other side the contractor costs have gone up as well but owning a paint truck. And staying proficient that it's used to use something for maybe a week or 2 a year doesn't
really make a lot of sense unless you can partner with counties around you.
13:42:02 Which we have at times over the years. Might be time to.
13:42:07 Revitalize those conversations with GitHub and Wash dot still does the striping for us on the West End, which is nice.
13:42:17 But, you know, even if, you know, we Do some more inter local work there.
13:42:24 It's not going to be a miracle like. Huge dollar saver might be a little cheaper but not vastly cheaper so just, yeah, the cost of business has gone up and, Again, most of our
operating revenues, which is what we drive from property tax and motor vehicle fuel tax now goes into maintenance and operations and Pavement preservation, chip ceiling, and very little
into the rest of
13:42:53 our operation, but you know, when I say operations, I'm talking in insurance. Administrative, you know, all these kinds of costs that are unavoidable.
13:43:06 They really add up, so. That's where we're at there. I, you know, just some fun facts while I'm at it, you know, like, mentioned the, the sign replacement project that's federally
funded to safety grants about $700,000, 500 signs.
13:43:27 Tells you what so all these we get very frequent requests for sign sign sign signs more speed limit signs more crosswalks more of this more that well It's over a thousand dollars
a sign that's supported in and then you have to maintain it.
13:43:44 Striping like I mentioned, 350 grand a year. I mean crosswalk markings.
13:43:48 That's easily 10 grand for a crosswalk for the materials. So these, are not cheap.
13:43:56 That's why we,
13:43:58 You know, we're conservative when it comes to installing new infrastructure that you have to maintain forever.
13:44:07 So just to be aware that, these costs really do, add up. I mean, that 4 miles of paving on center road will be close to 2 million dollars.
13:44:18 Again, entirely grant funded. We're lucky that way, but. Owning and operating the transportation public transportation system is a expensive undertaking.
13:44:31 It's important, but you know, really, some big costs come with that. So anything else you wanted to I add Eric.
13:44:42 Any other question? So. I'm just curious. I see the Ducka Bush project on here, which is, you know, somewhat a WDFW project, someone to watch that project.
13:45:00 Obviously we have pieces of it with county roads impacted, but do we generally include a state project like that on our tip?
13:45:11 Well, there's several components of that project that are on county road. So therefore, that's on the tip. Okay.
13:45:15 And the whole project cost gets included in that, even though. Only the parts of the budget that run, through the county's budget that run, through the county's budget get included
in the actual county budget get included in the actual county budget get included in the actual county budget get included in the actual county budget or tip we.
13:45:30 Sometimes we'll put the entire project cost on the left column just to put the project in context. But for example, the Federal Lands Access Program project slap out on the
upper ho.
13:45:41 I mean, that was over 20 million dollars worth of work. Generally in our TIP we were showing maybe $50,000.
13:45:48 I mean we would say this is a 20 million dollar project. Or in the case of the DACA Bush, 126 million dollars project, but we have.
13:45:55 $6,500 actually shown in the budget because that's that's the part that the county is.
13:46:04 Contributing to the project that runs through our our books and that would generally just be staff coordination in this case.
13:46:12 I mean, they haven't asked for any match or us to do anything, but they are. Raising and shifting duck a bush road for several 100 feet to match the new bridge and highway alignment
and building.
13:46:27 Access to a small parking area there for river access and stuff. Right in there doing a box covered on Sherwood, which county road as well.
13:46:41 Again, we're not paying for that, but, we have. We don't send him a bill every time we talk to him and when we throw the county short.
13:46:50 That little road just on the water side of? No, it's if you go up to a bush it's the first left with fire station station used to be there was there's a Pierce Creek runs under
his appears under it right there.
13:47:05 So that's part of their project as well. Over it. Well, because it is, I mean, that whole neighborhood.
13:47:16 Ends up underwater at kicking tides and floods from the ducka bush. I mean, short of raising the entire neighborhood 5 feet that's always going to happen so we can't really
raise the road.
13:47:32 Because it's so everyone's driveway comes into it and everything so the road is a dam and the road would work as a dam and oh yeah, so you have to kind of leave it there, but
still make the opening bigger, which will help.
13:47:44 A little crazy. Is the flooding anticipated to change at all with the opening up the natural flow of the estuary.
13:47:53 Our understanding is it would likely. Have a positive impact on the situation there, but maybe not.
13:48:02 A huge impact, but just giving the river more. You know, a wider area to access.
13:48:11 The hood canal would reduce the amount of backwatering that might happen but I mean Let's face it, see levels of foot higher than it was when people started building this.
13:48:22 Infrastructure around here like downtown port towns and That's gonna keep happening. So, We've already seen.
13:48:32 Examples of that of course when I met with you the other day, commissioner, brother, 10 way brought up the example of the show I just saw about Bangkok Thailand city of 14 million
they expected to be underwater and 70 years and they they were showing.
13:48:48 Images on the clip I watched about. You know, outline areas from Bangkok that I mean, it's ocean to the horizon and that was all inhabited farmland in the ninetys.
13:49:01 And now it just looks like the ocean. There's, you know, power poles sticking up out of the water a mile offshore and stuff like that.
13:49:10 But you know, sea level rises. Is inevitable. So I'm gonna continue to face these challenges in our floodplain communities, but the Bridge project at the DACA Bush.
13:49:22 Should only. You know, mitigate and help. At least.
13:49:29 It's a actually I actually haven't heard a lot of conversations about that project and haven't heard.
13:49:33 Discussion of blood impact. So, you know, when these rivers get channelized, like the big quill scene and others, they start tending to.
13:49:44 Elevate because sediments are dropping out in this channel and they have nowhere to go.
13:49:49 So. Often the ground is lower outside of the channel. And so if you can get the river back into those areas, it'll have an immediate impact.
13:49:58 You know, lowering the river channel a little bit.
13:50:03 One other question, do we anticipate being able to take advantage of the federal fund exchange program?
13:50:11 The next year too. Maybe. It remains to be seen what DOT will do. They, initialized it for one year this previous round, which wasn't tremendously helpful because either people
already had their funds obligated or they weren't prepared to do it, something to that effect.
13:50:29 So, I mean, one year's worth of funds really isn't enough to do a project with.
13:50:34 So I'm not sure. Right. I've heard that they've or I've seen that they've re.
13:50:39 Authorize the program, but it's for one year, I believe. So again, I don't know.
13:50:44 Who's going to necessarily take advantage of it. We're planning on transit used it most recently.
13:50:50 Well, city and transit and actually all 3 of us really did because we used it for a bridge load rewriting for 100,000 or so.
13:50:55 And then. Transit, 400 something to buy half of that bus or so and then the city is using it as well.
13:51:03 So, we're looking at tapping 3, 3 and a half years worth for the ODT.
13:51:08 But I don't know that, you know, it'd be great to consider the fund exchange.
13:51:11 But if they're only gonna do it for one year, I don't know what that, I mean, if one year is, you know, basically swapped for state funds and we still have to tap fed funds
for the other 2 years, what's the point?
13:51:20 Now we got to manage some state funds and Fed funds versus just doing the Fed funds. And this is the surface transportation block grant program.
13:51:32 The legislature last year approved a one-year program where you could swap out some of those funds and only the.
13:51:39 19 smallest counties or something are authorized to do this swap out some of those funds with washed out for state funds so that you didn't federalize small projects.
13:51:51 And Wasx planning to be pushing for an extension of that this year and potentially an expansion, but I was planning to be pushing for an extension of that this year and potentially
an expansion.
13:51:58 But I was just wondering if we had any eligible. Projects that could be a good kind of projects and conceptually it makes fantastic sense and it has worked in other states it's
just until they do it from more than a year and then give you plenty of, need time in advance to plan for it.
13:52:13 Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. In my opinion. Do you think it's worth continuing to lobby for extending that?
13:52:24 Doesn't make any sense to use federal funds for small projects, which I would say is anything under a million dollars and yet we're forced to.
13:52:32 I mean, we get $400,000 a year. And you know the federal requirements Okay. Escalating and making it more difficult to do.
13:52:45 Projects and you know if you can spread those costs through you know very large projects. One thing but County city projects it just It just doesn't.
13:52:56 It just doesn't make any sense. So many other states have successfully managed this for some reason Washington seems to be resisting it, I guess because it represents change
but in Oregon I talked to the person down here to manage the program.
13:53:13 They're like, yeah, I get an email. From some rural county that says they want to buy a new snow plow and I send them a check, you know, and they were doing it for 90 cents
on the dollar, you know, but you wouldn't believe some of the things we have to go through to spend federal funds.
13:53:31 It's just it's just really really hard and we'll be facing that on the sewer project, of course, but so far we're spending state funds, which are just infinitely easier to utilize.
13:53:44 Yeah, we still pay prevailing wage, you know, all these things, but It just doesn't come with.
13:53:50 The overhead of the federal funds and So anyway, it'd be a great, great, great thing to continue to support and lobby for, but they've got a.
13:54:01 Make it useful to us in one year didn't really know. It was kind of, it was a pilot last year.
13:54:12 It was kind of, it was a pilot last year. And keep in mind when money says federal fund.
13:54:15 I mean, there's a federal fund. I mean, there's a federal fund. I mean, it was kind of, it was a pilot last year. And keeping my money says federal fund, and FHWA funds.
13:54:19 We're and specifically STBG or STP. Those are used interchangeably. Yes.
13:54:30 It's interesting. Cause there's other funds we use like safe routes to school that can be.
13:54:34 Fed or state and someone at DOT makes that determination. They get funds in X amount of this and y amount of that.
13:54:42 And then they just decide whether a particular jurisdiction is gonna get. What what color funds they might might get and we don't have a lot of say in the matter so you're always
waiting for the funding letter to see whether it's state or fed funds.
13:54:57 Yeah. And I might have that opposite. They have their, it's the same group that does the, Ped bike program in the Save for Outs to School program.
13:55:06 One is strictly state and the other one can be either or I might have them. Exchanged. Some people have viewed the counties.
13:55:13 Yeah, to do this fund exchange as a way to get out of doing. You know good things that federal regulations require and that's Not yet at all because those funds still if they're
exchanged and the state puts them on a large highway project.
13:55:35 You're still going to end up with those funds. Tied to all those requirements for apprenticeship programs and small business and and disadvantage businesses and all those things.
13:55:49 It's just it's consolidated onto the larger project instead of you know, having to have all these requirements on on these little projects, you know, out in forks or places,
you know, where it just doesn't, it just doesn't make sense.
13:56:04 So, It's not that the counties disagree with the requirements of the federal funds is just how they're implemented and it would be a lot more efficient to consolidate those
federal funds on larger projects.
13:56:17 And the folks are available to do the work that's tapped to the or tied to those requirements because we don't have those contractors here.
13:56:25 Right. And it's not like even if it were all state dollars like Washington Lex for regulation.
13:56:34 Like Washington lacks for regulation. We still have to pay state prevailing wage rates and things like that, you know.
13:56:40 Any questions, Heidi? No. Okay. A lot of exciting projects on this.
13:56:47 Okay, well if there's no more questions as your elected officials we want to hear your testimony on this issue your testimony will help inform our deliberations and decisions.
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13:57:30 Each person will have up to 3Â min. Do we have anyone with us in the Zoom room who is in providing testimony on this resolution concerning our six-year transportation improvement
plan.
13:57:44 I'll call again for public testimony on our 6 year transportation improvement program.
13:57:54 I'm gonna call one last time, anyone that would like to provide testimony to our six-year transportation improvement plan.
13:58:01 This is your last chance this time. Can it raise hand or star 9 if you're on the phone?
13:58:08 All right, seen no testimony or anyone interested we will close this public hearing and we will begin deliberations and make a decision on the resolution in front of us.
13:58:21 We have a resolution on page 2 of the agenda request.
13:58:27 For the deliberation people need. No, and I. Yeah, but we don't have anything else on our agenda.
13:58:41 But no. Great. Well, we don't have anything else on our agenda. 2 30 meeting.
13:58:43 But. Yeah, no, great work. Really appreciate how much that goes into, you know, weighing multiple benefits.
13:58:50 These projects and being really explicit and of course happy to see so many trail, multimodal, you know, head bike.
13:59:02 It was always, it was like the feel good projects. And as usual, there's a lot of them on there.
13:59:06 Yeah. Okay, all right, well I'd welcome a motion on the resolution. Someone so inclined.
13:59:14 I'm happy to move that we approve a resolution in the matter of the adoption of the 2024 to 29 6 year transportation improvement program.
13:59:22 Second. Okay, it's been moved and approved to approve the resolution the matter of the adoption of the 24 to 29 6 year transportation improvement program.
13:59:31 All in favor indicate by saying aye. Hi. All right, some decisions are easy to make. Thank you guys.
13:59:39 Thank you. Always a pleasure. Try to never do a roundabout like a new one down here.
13:59:47 Are they gonna do put more, more paint on, on the ground? Thank you. Next year when the weather.
14:00:00 Okay. So lines are like this. It doesn't, yeah, there's a traffic coming. Yeah.
14:00:05 Oh, really? You see that in, you know, until you're right. It is invisible.
14:00:08 Yeah, very low profile. Yeah. But you don't think they'll do any more work on it till next year because the even the, Crosswalks are not very obvious either.
14:00:19 They did a bunch of work in the last couple days. Through this morning there was a lot of soil and you know, there's no splinter island coming on.
14:00:35 There's one painted so I don't know if it's still there's no splinter island coming on.
14:00:37 There's one painted so I don't know if it's still gonna be one but Oh, suddenly there's a roundabout.
14:00:40 Is the, the merger, verge along the bank gonna be reopened or is that?
14:00:48 Oh, that'll be a trail. Yes, it's just a trail. I think that's a good.
14:00:53 And that was somewhat more developed this morning. Okay, good. Well, where others were up and. There's an executor out there right now. Yeah. Oh yeah.
14:01:03 That's working on it. They're just raising the. Round about uptown.
14:01:12 Yeah, yeah. Maybe they thought if they didn't make it very visible, there would be less controversy. There would be less controversy.
14:01:16 It wouldn't work in impossible, there would be less controversy. Maybe they thought if they didn't make it very visible, there would be less controversy.
14:01:18 Social media. Speaking around about so next year, he is still pursuing the 2 on 104.
14:01:27 Additional fish passage so we have no same conversations about. You know, traffic delays and whatnot and then detour in the center road while we're doing a overlay project.
14:01:41 I wonder how they all line up at the event calendar for 2024. Well, it. Paradise Bay road just continued fatalities there.
14:01:58 It's yeah, that's the case for slowing. OT.
14:02:07 Has recently done some improvements that are shine road and one of 4. We've seen that cross-atching, the road, make up a vegetation back.
14:02:15 And they're gonna put it on a metered, flashing sign up or advanced traffic approach sign, you know, so when there's somebody coming.
14:02:21 So I appreciate them doing that. We collectively, we'll see, talking to leaving it up afterwards.
14:02:30 Cool. That's the view. Oh yeah. Yeah, they're very interested.
14:02:39 And very appreciative the work that we've gotten done. So was there something else? Actually, there wasn't anything else really because realignment is not going to happen and
until nothing else is going to happen to after those other roundabouts are in pretty much.
14:02:52 Okay, well, always a pleasure, gentlemen. Thank you for coming out for preparing this for making it so easy to get through.
14:03:00 Okay, well we're trying to get out of here by 2 30 with a few minutes to spare anything else on the agenda Yeah.
14:03:11 I heard we were trying to get so Mark and Kate both attend this commerce meeting. Regarding.
14:03:20 Any other questions that came to people over the over the break We did okay. We thought today was gonna be jam packed.
14:03:27 Yeah, totally shifted a few things. We've got busier meetings in December than we normally do still, I think.
14:03:35 Yeah, nice. Well. Nice to have the budget behind us, but we still one more step. One more step.
14:03:41 Yeah. Hmm. I guess for, you know, start thinking about boards and committees and everything and we'll try to, as we said, talk about on the eighteenth I think it is.
14:03:54 18, is that right? Okay. Thank you to be a standing item.
14:04:05 Yeah, something I'm concerned about is I have, I always have a bunch of conflicts on Fridays from 10 to 12 like there's a bunch of regularly scheduled meetings and I have to
choose which I don't like one of which is the Peninsula Regional Transportation Planning Organization, which often gets the shaft, which I don't.
14:04:25 Yeah, like you're up here. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So if I don't know, I don't know, do we all have conflicts on Fridays from 10 to 12 because you know county coordination one that's
always there.
14:04:35 That's the chair that's at 1130. Okay. I, I usually, I occasionally have, but that's usually the Second Friday, so third Friday is pretty clean for me.
14:04:50 I always have parks and rack and PLVC are in conflict every time. So, and that was the last, this year I asked for relief on Parks and Rec because of the Swack meeting.
14:05:03 Hmm. It's a standing conflict with Swack. Well, maybe I'll trade your PR TPO for Parks and Rec.
14:05:10 Right like that. So let's think about conflicts especially. I've got. I've had a conflict with Only Cap too.
14:05:20 I keep trying to get them shift their meetings, but my school is at the same every Wednesday evening as is only cap.
14:05:27 So I've missed the last couple, but I will be. Able to go to the December meeting with the winter break quickly.
14:05:32 I think I would be good in jettisoning a few committees next year. I think it would be smart for me to do so.
14:05:42 I think it would be smart for me to do so. Yes, you're going to be sharing and running.
14:05:44 Yeah.
14:05:48 Okay, we'll think about that. What fits and we'll. You can start working on it.
14:05:55 I think I got someone on to apply for that district 3. Piff board. Oh good.
14:06:01 Oh great. I mean, I think we, what's that? For board equalization. That's great.
14:06:11 And those are like some of the last couple. I noticed that the district one Piff representative wasn't there.
14:06:16 Do we know if he's wants to continue serving? We came to the last meeting. Okay. It's a meeting before, but I had heard previous to that, he'd also missed a number of movies
meetings, so I don't.
14:06:30 Would be worth checking in.
14:06:35 Well, nothing wrong with ending early. Anything else for the good of the order?
14:06:41 Oh. Hmm.
14:06:46 Yeah.
14:06:50 No, I got I had one question for Kate. I keep getting these meetings on my calendar. I thought I could just send my meetings over to you.
14:07:03 If you wouldn't notice. I probably would just show up. What am I doing here? Is that the, early childhood cold too?
14:07:10 Early childhood coalition monthly meeting, the PECC meeting. I know those just showed up on mine and I don't know where they came from.
14:07:18 Is it like a hundred 40 people invited or something? It's a massive list. So. I was equally surprised even though, you know, obviously it's an issue I'm working on.
14:07:30 And like it isn't part of the larger Washington communities for children coalition. Non-profit I think right to those they do number Human Services.
14:07:45 Oh, 287 attendees. So, it's a few. Alright, so I can just skip it and they won't notice.
14:07:52 Obviously an important issue and a very impressive list of invitees but I'm just not sure with the What's driving it?
14:08:02 I can ask in my. No, it's find out. Yeah. I can, I'll ask.
14:08:10 It's the following week. Yeah, I was equally confused by that. Okay. Okay.
14:08:18 Anything else we need to talk about? I mean, if we wanna look past the next week, I have a conflict on the fourteenth.
14:08:27 In the afternoon. At the mental health field response team and then I also have the special piff board board meeting.
14:08:34 I'm probably shouldn't do the piss board. I feel like you should do the pissboard.
14:08:39 That's why. Can somebody do the. What time is that? 2 30 to 3 45.
14:08:46 I can do that. Great. Yeah.
14:08:56 And then, this will be county coordination that week. And. Kate, you are doing TPO, you have a conflict even this month.
14:09:08 Hmm, I'm the fifteenth. I do have a conflict. Yeah. It's very frustrating.
14:09:18 Well, I do have county coordination this month that I want next month, so. And that one, there's an authority of voting authority that has to get granted.
14:09:28 There's an authority, a voting authority that has to get granted. And oh, so someone else can't just fall on it.
14:09:32 Yeah, Monty is the alternate, but he's too busy, you know, to sit through that.
14:09:34 And,
14:09:37 Mark, can we talk a little bit about the Central Services Director interviews? True. We have held the whole day of the twelfth.
14:09:45 The 2 panel we have 2 panels is that right? It's changing, based on availability of the applicant.
14:09:55 So I haven't told the 12 because that was another. David, looks like one of the Americans can't make it that day.
14:09:58 So now we're looking at the twentieth. So I'm guessing the Okay, yeah, I've got a Get with Sarah when we're done here after the 2 30 call that.
14:10:10 Talk about nailing down a different date. Should we hold the twentieth then for now, Carolyn? I've got it open.
14:10:26 19 for the twentieth. Yeah, I think what's best is maybe ask that applicants. So the nineteenth, we have a transit board meeting. 1 30.
14:10:32 One of the candidates already So with us or somewhere else, which makes me nervous. So I can't do the nineteenth in the afternoon.
14:10:40 Also, we have to look at room availability. We need to full meeting rooms. So, that's my challenge as well.
14:10:46 Okay, okay. And it looked like a lot of the people you're at wanting to be on the hiring team couldn't make the twelfth work either.
14:10:55 So. Well, we're gonna have whatever date we choose. Some people are not going to be available, but yeah, try to make the best of it.
14:11:04 Quite, you know, and for candidate number 3, you know, if we say, want to interview on the twelfth and they're like, wow, I can't make that.
14:11:14 Indicates how badly they wanted their guys. Okay. Great. Anything else, folks?
14:11:23 Nope. I don't think so. Well, with that we are adjourned.
09:06:16 From Josh Peters To All Panelists:
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09:45:10 From Chambers To Everyone:
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11:53:51 From Chambers To All Panelists:
December 11, 2023 at 1:30 p.m. is when we have Continued Deliberations and potential action re: 2024/2025 Biennial Budget