HomeMy WebLinkAboutchat14:44:50 From Judy Shepherd to Hosts and panelists : I can't hear so I have to rejoin.
13:32:05 Gregory Brotherton? Gregory dot brother. BREAGER.
13:32:12 We're gonna go back to our desk to do the executive session. Oh, okay. Do you have the link for that?
13:32:19 Okay. All right, good afternoon. We're calling this meeting December eleventh meeting of the Board of County Commissioners back into session.
13:32:28 We're going to go immediately into a 2. Executive sessions will come out after the first brief one.
13:32:38 And we're going in to, with the county administrator, chief civil deputy prosecuting attorney, perhaps the environmental health and water quality manager and environmental health
manager regarding potential litigation, exemption is outlined in the Open Public Meetings Act, RCW, 42.
13:32:54 Dot 30 dot 1 10 parentheses one parentheses I and any discussion potential action will happen when we come out at 1 45 and we'll go back in.
13:33:07 At 1 45 to 2 30 for a similar one with potential potential. Oh no, that's with actual litigation.
13:33:16 First one is potential litigation. Any action will happen open session. I think we're going to go into our offices for the Zoom executive session.
13:33:24 We'll come back here. I encourage you just to leave your computers in your office and come back at one at 1 45 when we're done.
13:33:29 And with that we will go. We'll go in from 1 33 to one, I guess, 48.
13:33:37 15Â min.
13:50:18 All right, I'm coming out of executive session. We're not coming out. We need 5 more minutes.
13:50:25 So we will, extend this, this executive session about potential litigation and tell, 1 55 will be back then.
13:50:38 Yeah, we're extending. We're extending to 1 55 I think I did it.
13:50:47 That's recording. Okay. All good. All right, so we'll be back.
13:56:57 Whenever you're ready for the phone and this computer is 2Â min off
13:57:03 All right, none of our time pieces are exactly diving with each other, but it's somewhere between 155 and 1 57 now coming out of executive session as a reminder we were in there
with the county administrator.
13:57:16 I listed a couple other people but just the county administrator and the chief civil deputy prosecuting attorney were actually there.
13:57:21 And they were coming out with no action taken, no, no discussion. We're going to go back into executive session for a slightly different purpose.
13:57:30 So we're going in from, let's say, 2 o'clock to 2.
13:57:36 2 40. Well, let's try to come out of 2 30. He said he's gonna need more time.
13:57:45 Let's say 2 o'clock to 2 40. And we're going in with, with the county administrator and chief civil deputy prosecuting attorney.
13:57:55 To exemption for regarding actual litigation, excuse me, exemption is outlined in the open public meetings act, RCW, 42 dot 30 dot 1 10 parentheses one parentheses I any discussion
or action among the board will take place when we come back into open session at 240.
13:58:14 This will push our continued deliberation on the big biennial budget to. 40 as well. So.
13:58:19 We'll see you back here then.
13:58:23 Okay.
14:43:04 I know.
14:43:10 Is it?
14:43:15 Friday night. Alright everyone. I'll we're coming out of executive session back into regular session at 2 40 somewhere between 2 40 and 2 44.
14:43:34 No action to be taken. Move straight on. And our busy day to our next item which is the the fallout, the result of our hearing last week on the budget continued deliberation
and potential action regarding adopting, 2,400, and 25, by annual budget.
14:43:56 Did you wanna, I don't know if Judy joining us online. Okay. And is, I mean, we had the presentation last week.
14:44:08 I don't know, Mark, were you planning to do any top line update or? Right.
14:44:15 Yes, just let me, share my video here. And I'm not, I don't plan, to go through the briefing a second time.
14:44:31 And all the materials are here for you commissioners. Same materials as last week. We went.
14:44:39 Through a full presentation on the budget. But I will remind folks that this budget is a record setting budget largely due to The budget for the hadlock sewer and for a very
successful grant year for the road fund.
14:45:00 Which takes us over. 109 million. I don't know. It's I think at least 25 million larger than any other budget we've had.
14:45:10 So absent any questions, I, I guess you're gonna take public comment if there is any.
14:45:18 But unless the board has questions, I would just ask that. That you deliberate and make a motion to approve the resolution adopting the 2024, 2,025 biennial budget and all the
ancillary documents that accompany it. Great.
14:45:36 Thank you, Mark. And I wasn't plan taking public comment. There's no public comment listed.
14:45:41 At a hearing just last week. Judy, did you have anything you wanted to add? I wanna make sure.
14:45:50 I'm here. I can hear now. Yeah, I don't know what was going on.
14:45:51 Julia. Good. Can you hear us as well? Okay, oh good lost your chin there for a second anything
14:45:57 So. Yeah. No, I don't have anything else to add. Just looking forward to getting adopted so we can just keep moving.
14:46:05 So thank you.
14:46:06 Great. Okay, I guess we'll deliberate. We've had a lot of time with this through its various iterations.
14:46:14 Any concerns or pops people wanna share? This is going to go to different direction, I think. So I just want to go in a different direction with the budget market.
14:46:27 On mind, yeah. Okay. We've got time to start over. Can we stay on this agenda topic, please? We've got time to start over. Can we stay on this agenda topic, please?
14:46:37 I There was a moment a couple of months ago where it was crunch time. In the budget writing process and you know the outcome is is really Solid.
14:46:46 It's a good budget. Yep. Yeah, we've made some significant changes to how we do the budget.
14:46:54 In the time that I've been here and I think it's it has benefited from the biennial approach and the getting a lot of input from departments, which we didn't do as of 5 years
ago or so.
14:47:08 Yeah. So I, I think we have a better product as a result. I understand the budget a lot better as a result of it, which I appreciate and great having Judy on board.
14:47:20 To have some more expertise and capacity. So I feel good about moving ahead. Right? We can actually.
14:47:26 Get ahead in our agenda for the first time all day if someone wants to. Make a motion regarding the resolution that's page 2 of the attached agenda request.
14:47:38 Actually, I can't get to it. I got it. I am happy to make a motion that we adopt the 2024.
14:47:48 2025 biennial budget. For the general fund and other funds the 2024 general county road construction program the 2,024 county capital improvement program and the central services.
14:48:02 2,024. Cost allocation plans.
14:48:06 I will second and we can do those all at once. Yes, great. One resolution. All right.
14:48:12 It's been moved and seconded to it up to 2,02425 by annual budget for general fund and other funds, 20 to 24 county road construction program and 24 capital improvement program
and central services 24 cost allocation plans.
14:48:27 In last comments or questions? All in favor indicate by saying aye. Aye. Aye.
14:48:33 Alright, we're done for the year, right? Or shall we? We can just finish the day now.
14:48:36 Well, right. Since Kerry is here, we'll go on. Okay. Oh, we can do calendaring. We're ahead.
14:48:43 So we haven't had a chance to look back for a moment. So let's catch our breath and maybe give.
14:48:48 Some abbreviated highlights of last week.
14:48:54 Anyone wanna start? Sure, I can start.
14:49:01 Monday here with all of you, then Mark and I joined Kerry Height and a couple of others with Department of Commerce to discuss public facilities districts, which I think we
will, talk a little bit about in our discussion about the pool shortly here.
14:49:19 Tuesday, I, let's see. Was in Olympia for, testified with Wossack in front of the house local government committee meeting.
14:49:32 Presenting our non legislative agenda but good conversation. Many of the folks in that community did not know what Sptage was.
14:49:41 So good opportunity to do some Yes, sewers are sexy and my tagline. but that, well, it seems like, you know, this year not having a legislative agenda that there will be an
opportunity for more kind of education like this, you know, and you're not necessarily pushing a particular agenda.
14:50:06 The This room for just kind of good conversation. Somehow Paul Jewell had me present the 2 lawsuits that was brought against the state.
14:50:17 That was my job was to go over the 2 lawsuits, you know, indigent defense and behavioral health.
14:50:22 And so, it was good. I had to study up hard to present that information on Tuesday, but went well and I feel much better informed and can answer lots of questions about those
2 lawsuits now if you have any questions.
14:50:33 Just. Tell you on this on the septage front I would. It was all for reached out.
14:50:39 Brandon. Jamie last week saying that Senator Van der Wegg did was not aware there were any septage capacity issues in rural counties.
14:50:48 So I did reach back to Kevin directly and let him know what I had learned and shared our little phone survey we had done.
14:50:56 Of all the counties and. The So I just want you to know this because you might be communicating with him directly and reinforce.
14:51:03 The need. Okay.
14:51:07 Let's see. Had the, ribbon cutting for the electric bus.
14:51:17 We were all there. Very exciting. That's right. Had a call with, that's right.
14:51:27 Had a call with, Pampatronic and the pool project, had a meeting with our child care team.
14:51:33 We've been working on a couple of couple of grants trying to finalize, and the sounds like the Department of Commerce Grant with the hospital is finally.
14:51:44 Clear of all hurdles. So that's great news, that 1 million dollar pieces in place. Had a meeting with gathering place regarding the, fairgrounds and that is.
14:51:55 Moving along, albeit slowly. Went to the Olympic Housing Trust annual meeting on Wednesday night and they have you know 2 projects going there Dundee Hill project is getting
close and then they're working with the land trust on the Chimicum Commons project.
14:52:13 So nice to see progress there. And the Community Foundation holiday party was lovely as usual. Thursday morning, Missed an EDC meeting because it was on my calendar.
14:52:26 Still struggling with calendar issues. Met with Pablo Cohen who I think we probably all chatted with about the UGA swap.
14:52:34 Chaired the North Olympic Development Council meeting which is our annual meeting. So no presentations but just kind of an overview of the year.
14:52:45 They, NODC was applied, was asked to apply. So, you know, 2, 2 step process.
14:52:51 Did a pre-application for a No Noa Costa Resilience Grant. They were invited to to apply.
14:52:58 So that's exciting. Well. Probably do a combination of.
14:53:02 Well, I shouldn't say exactly what they're gonna be looking at there. I think they're still open to number of ideas.
14:53:07 But doing more and more work with the Pacific National Lab. Friday had a healthier together meeting with Mark and Kerry.
14:53:17 We'll talk more about Double booked the radio show. I guess it's better than not having anybody booked but 2 2 parties showed up so I had to send Chris Macklin home unfortunately
yeah but I'll get him back another time.
14:53:35 Well, so, T-lab folks. Yeah, yeah. And then had a, fairgrounds.
14:53:43 Executive committee to talk about some staffing and that was it for my week. Alright, Heidi.
14:53:59 Tuesday, Monday, of course I was with you guys. Tuesday. I Did one of those mornings where you try and be in 2 Zoom Meetings?
14:54:08 So I went to the Board of Natural Resources Meeting while I. Was part of a.
14:54:18 Planning meeting for the DNR carbon and forest work group that I am on. Which that meeting was all day on Wednesday.
14:54:26 I worked a bunch of Tuesday on finalizing the transit general managers review, which I'll be sending out to everybody.
14:54:36 The JTA board. Tomorrow for review before our meeting. Next week. Mark and I had a meeting with our consultants on the Chimican Creek Drainage District.
14:54:49 Project and kind of. The adjustments, the course adjustments we've made relative to the other planning processes that are going on around Chimicum Creek and the short farm and
having those processes inform the drainage district process and have them having them all kind of be.
14:55:08 Synchronized in some sense instead of doing it. Drainage district planning process that is quiet to those other processes going on.
14:55:17 So that's I think been a good adjustment to our plan but we'll see. Or was that on our consent today?
14:55:26 We'll see an adjustment to the contract. For that facilitation. Tuesday evening was the Marine Resources Committee meeting.
14:55:36 Wednesday as I mentioned all day was the most the day was the carbon and work group. Then I had a break so I came down to the.
14:55:44 Ribbon cutting and then I left the carbon work group early to join the JTA Finance Committee meeting.
14:55:51 And then went to the Community Foundation holiday party at the Elks Lodge, which was really fun.
14:56:00 Thursday I had a meeting with I candidate for the 20 fourth LD. One of the rep seats and then.
14:56:10 Had lunch with Mark or annual Singapore Noodle Summit and Those are always good because we talk about County biz but off of zoom.
14:56:21 Then we had a SWAC meeting in the afternoon and then in the evening I had a, Jefferson County cohort of the Peninsula Trails Coalition meeting.
14:56:29 On Friday I was out of the office and I called in for the strategic plan implementation meeting and the one thing I would say about that is those hybrid meetings.
14:56:38 We have to find like the one best recipe we have for hybrid meetings. Because that everyone who was on Zoom at that meeting, we were all.
14:56:46 Messaging couldn't participate. So that did not work as a hybrid meeting. But in certain cases, hybrid meetings work and it's mostly an sound issue. Awesome.
14:56:59 Yeah, I mean, also sometimes if it's a big room with a big table or something, and sound issue. Yeah.
14:57:06 I mean, also sometimes if it's big room with a big table or something. Yeah. I mean, also sometimes if it's a big room with a big table or something, even if it's big room with
a big table or something. Yeah.
14:57:12 I mean, also sometimes if it's big room with a big table or something. And even if you could hear people, if they have mics out, you're online.
14:57:15 If it's a big room with a big table or something, and even if you could hear people, if they have mics out, if you're online, then you can't see any faces or in the county like
better than here today.
14:57:23 Well, not this format of the meeting, but as a group of the group around the city. Oh, sorry, I'm going to the next agenda.
14:57:33 I'm talking about audio quality. Yeah, I'm talking about audio quality. Yeah. I'm talking about audio quality.
14:57:40 Sorry, I'm just joking. All right. I'm just nervous for that. Sorry, I'm just joking.
14:57:44 All right. I'm just nervous. Yeah, no. Alright, great. I'll go real fast.
14:57:47 With you guys, I'm just nervous. Yeah, no. Alright, I'm great. I'll go real fast.
14:57:49 With you guys, of course, I joined the Jefferson County EMS Council on Tuesday.
14:57:52 To make a plea that they join discovery behavioral health. Jefferson Healthcare and Jefferson Public Health in applying for this.
14:58:01 Planning grant for most valuable players for you know difficult to discharge folks and, and also frequent flyers on the emergency services basically, that we know the CARES
program often deals with.
14:58:18 Is the EMS council actually a council? I'm not familiar with it. This is a council. I was my first time at the meeting. So Dr.
14:58:26 Karl, who is the medical director of the EMS practitioners is directed by the MS Council on which he also sits and the other members seem to be all fire chiefs basically.
14:58:36 And they were. Not very receptive to just signing on. That a little bit more information though.
14:58:42 I think the ultimately did or they had a special meeting that I wasn't printed too. So they did not vote then to jump in but.
14:58:48 Did recognize that the that EMS services provides an important role in that continuum of care. Folks that are frequent flyers.
14:58:57 Are difficult to district. So is it a, formal or informal gathering of that oversee EMS?
14:59:12 And they're not the, I mean, JSR search and rescue has a seat on it. There's associate members.
14:59:14 I learned a lot just being there. There's associate members and members. I think the one staff member is probably Dr.
14:59:19 Karl Bob. He also sits and has a vote on the seat and there is also folks on the board that don't have a vote so I really was I did not understand the process very well myself.
14:59:29 Never heard of it. Well, we'll be shining a light on it from now on.
14:59:35 Good to know. I'm, I, I will probably, at that table or the care team or?
14:59:43 Well, Brett Black was there and, you know, Chief McCurry and they have a CARES program in Quilcy now as well was there and then Lori Tinker, from a fleet from Jefferson health
care.
14:59:53 I always say fleet because that's what our zoom name says but was there she was chair Okay.
15:00:03 Yeah. I still, I can't, I can't answer too many questions about the governance structure because it, it was, it was.
15:00:06 Not transparent to me being there. Just the first time. Ruben cutting for the electric bus was great.
15:00:14 Winter party for JCF is great. Kind of tied up the last week of school as well.
15:00:18 We had O 3 A. Mostly going really well. Went to Port Ludlow for the Port Leo Village council meeting talked a lot about the pool there.
15:00:29 Parks and Rec advisory board did not talk about the pool of that meeting at all. But it's talked about other stuff.
15:00:34 Good, really good group we have right now. Sailors Behavioral Health, Administrative Service Organization.
15:00:42 I told you Stephanie Lewis stepped down as of December, the first. So Joanne Crone, who is the clinical director, you probably all spit time within meetings, took over as the
director.
15:00:52 Very smooth, you know, she got the institutional knowledge. Yeah, so that is permanent. I was a little nonplussed.
15:01:04 Second time I've used that word today, at the, process of putting Jolene in there, but very happy with her there because it was just kind of told to us and we had just the chair
and kids that mental health was pretty much.
15:01:15 Made the choice and it seemed like that was kind of our direct staff member we should all probably have a voice on this but this has happened before words administered by kids
right but the outcome I cannot argue with so Mark, well, you wanna, you wanna give a 1Â min, anything you wanna highlight from last week before we jump into the conversation in front
of us.
15:01:38 I can cover that pretty quickly. Monday with the board Tuesday of bunch of meetings internally with staff. I met with Philip, Hunts like her to talk about handling conflict
attorneys.
15:01:51 Contract revision meeting with peak sustainability. Probably the highlight of the week where the 2 meetings on Friday the healthier together strategy session with the Steering
committee and then the strategic plan implementation meeting.
15:02:08 Difficult meeting, but a good start and I agree. Heidi that we'll have to.
15:02:13 Come up with a different model. And good attempt, but it failed. At least, yeah, communications were tough for that.
15:02:21 Oh, the hybrid meetings. The folks in the room, you could tell they were having a productive conversation.
15:02:28 But there was half of us were not in the room. And Just more. Yeah, so we'll come up with a different model.
15:02:33 Let's do it on Zoom. That's usually the thing to do if we people are in different areas and the hybrid is not working.
15:02:39 Okay, leave it at that. Great. Thank you, Mark. So next and last on our agenda is a discussion regarding the aquatic facility.
15:02:48 I think will, since I know the time is kind of a factor here, we could take potential action today, but we will add a public comment period if we are inclined to take any action,
you know, after a motion we'll open it up for public comment.
15:03:00 We have some members of the of the team here so I'm not sure we don't have a presentation there was no attachment but yeah please join take a seat Kerry and welcome anyone else
if you guys have insight we'd love would love to hear from you we're really just trying to
15:03:16 Trying to get to a path, I guess, is how I would see it. I don't know, Kate and Mark, you guys have been participants in these meetings with commerce and, and, the steering
committee.
15:03:28 You want to Let us know what happened in these conversations. Sure. Yeah, I know it's kinda hard to figure out where to where to pick up because we haven't really talked about
it for a couple weeks.
15:03:37 Although we've been talking about it with everybody everywhere we go, probably. And then obviously many of us have had much more recent conversations.
15:03:47 We should just dive in kind of the takeaways from our meeting on Friday. Would that be? I'd be a good place to begin. Yeah. Okay, great.
15:03:54 So, many of us in the room were there on Friday as well as some of the other partners.
15:03:59 And. We, let's see, I will not still carry center.
15:04:08 I'll let her talk about the current pool analysis, which it's nice to have that well underway, not not yet completed, but we discussed that.
15:04:18 Then we discussed kind of what we were hearing in the community, what kind of pathways we saw in terms of moving forward.
15:04:25 I had to leave on time actually. I didn't leave early for the record, but conversation kept going.
15:04:32 So I'll be curious to hear what, what others say. But, I think we, you know, we, have potentially a path forward to present to you today.
15:04:43 But maybe first hand it over to Mark and Carrie to talk about what you thought about Friday's meeting and Kerry maybe could discuss the current pool.
15:04:57 That's what I got from Friday's meeting. Let's build the tension a little. Yeah, what I got from Friday's meeting.
15:05:06 Yeah, what I got from, Friday's meeting, was a sense of determination on the part of the steering committee. And a sense of determination on the part of the steering committee.
15:05:10 And a sense of confidence that the proposal that has been laid out is optimal. From a location point of view, from a financing point of view.
15:05:15 And that. Taking a concrete step. And that might be the formation of the PFT by the board by resolution.
15:05:25 Would signal to the community that that that we're serious and
15:05:31 And that we really would like the voters to weigh in. Cause this really is a voter decision. And, I think that would also lend credence to the capital campaign that's underway
to raise private money to help finance the facility.
15:05:50 And so that's what I got out of Friday's meeting.
15:05:53 Yeah, that I would like to take a few minutes to talk about. One thing the city has done is commissioned a study of the current pool because there's been a lot of conversation
in the community about why don't you just rebuild the current pool?
15:06:08 What's wrong with current pool? And so We contracted with DCW, which is a cost management firm and construction management firm.
15:06:15 And We don't have the full. Complete report, but that we have a partial report of a total amount.
15:06:21 We don't have a lifecycle cost yet because that tends to be a good comparison as well over the life of a 50 year facility.
15:06:28 So we're waiting for a cost analysis of the current versus new life cycle costs. But in, in the portion that we did receive from DCW.
15:06:40 It's a Total of about 21 million dollars that would take with very high risk because it's an old pool and we don't know what's underneath the pool.
15:06:49 There was no destructive testing no testing to test the soils or moisture damage or anything like that underneath what's visible to the eye.
15:07:01 So what's visible to the eye is what that can that construction estimate is. Is that making it, I mean that's not adding a lazy river, is that? Well it's a one tank pool.
15:07:13 It is making it bigger. There is a little bit of a footprint that we're making it bigger.
15:07:18 There is a little bit of a footprint that we can pound some cement out and make the pool bigger to make it a competitive pool, but it's a one tank pool.
15:07:22 And it is. Very complicated process, doable, complicated. High risk. And what I heard from the steering committee after I presented this on Friday was that people are just not
it's not really that competitive after I presented this on Friday was that people are just not, it's not really that competitive for any state grants that people are just not, it's
not really that competitive for any state grants.
15:07:40 It's not competitive for any state grants. It's not competitive for any state grants. It's not competitive for, I think Mark made the point that is it something we wanted to
bond, anything like that, an old, an older pool to renovate it, it might be just really difficult to put together that type of money to do something with an old bull.
15:07:53 And there wasn't really that much interest in putting that much money into mobile. And not knowing what other costs would arise.
15:07:59 The risk being that the cost could go up and pay us. Yeah, in addition, it was a 2020.
15:08:08 $2023 and so if you went to build in 2,025 you'd have to escalate that cost up 2 years.
15:08:16 The same is with our other pool, right? Exactly. Well, the other pool have the estimate of the other pool is already
15:08:25 So, in thinking about ways that we could move forward, we, you know, definitely recognize the reluctance that both of you have shared and that we're getting a lot of feedback
on in public comment.
15:08:39 And you know that that It isn't, it isn't, there's no easy route to saying, oh, well, let's just think about doing this in headlock or.
15:08:49 You know, that that's a lot of work, a lot of process, a lot of money.
15:08:55 And so sexually Dianne McDade has been very helpful in this process who said, what if we thought about starting a new with creating and appointing a PFD board they would not
have authority would not be nothing would be on the ballot would not be nothing would be on the ballot.
15:09:13 They would not have authority, would not be, nothing would be on the ballot and that is required to be 7 5 or 7.
15:09:16 5 or 7. Non-elected with geographic representation from the city and the county to to kind of look at the work that's been done.
15:09:30 Maybe make recommendations on next steps. Kind of turn it back to. Another process and we actually do the selection of PFD members so we could select 5 to 7 people who are informed,
you know.
15:09:46 You have experience and different, you know, different aspects of analysis on this. Turn it back to them and, and let them decide if they either see a path forward, have recommendations.
15:09:59 Wish to put it on the ballot. And if they wish to put it on the ballots, would that come back to us for approval or they can they they are authorized just to put it on the balance.
15:10:10 They are, yeah. I mean, I think they, you know, the big question, well, you know, how would that get funded?
15:10:17 To put it on the ballot. I think, you know, there's a number of questions around who would staff that board.
15:10:24 You know, probably want. Some oversight and transparency as a. You know, since it was formed by the county and then if they wanted to do any work, you know, for example, next
steps to even look at.
15:10:37 Hadlock would probably be things like a market study and no, historically, I think we have to acknowledge we have never talked about funding.
15:10:44 An aquatic center in the county. It's not like we have any resources. To even, you know, that we've ever considered putting towards that.
15:10:53 So, the, but again, you know, these are the kinds of things that, unappointed group could be considering and take it off of kind of the political train tracks that it's on right
now.
15:11:09 So, but that would be under a PFD so that would still be a county wide PFD.
15:11:16 So the funding mechanism would. It would still affect. All the voters in district 3 and all the voters in district 2 and all the people I've been talking to for the last 3 weeks.
15:11:25 But yeah, I mean, would it? I'm not sure how affecting them. I mean, they could be a public process.
15:11:36 From all parts of the county.
15:11:42 Yeah.
15:11:46 Sorry. Increasingly less excited. About a PFT. Can you expand on your restaurant?
15:12:00 Here, so I started to hear I started to hear the same talking points over and over again and I realized I was being the target of.
15:12:07 Pro pool and anti pool campaigns. So then I just started asking people who I feel like are.
15:12:13 Rational and reasonable and you know probably not wedded to 1 one side or the other and I probably had 300 conversations.
15:12:24 In the last 3 weeks. And I really, feel really strongly that the pool.
15:12:33 The geographic design. Quinper Peninsula puts the pool at the end of an island on an island on an island.
15:12:41 It makes it really hard to get here. And a lot of people have been saying, well, I don't want to drive to Squim.
15:12:46 It's a half an hour. Well. You know, parts of Chimicum are a half an hour from town.
15:12:51 So the same argument. That people are making against the pool. People are making for the pool and it's just I've gotten increasingly confused.
15:13:00 About a path forward and I've also you know I'm curious about the metropolitan practice parks district and if that could potentially fly.
15:13:12 And I know I'm, I know I'm not part of these conversations and I'm not on the steering committee.
15:13:15 And I'm just one vote of 3 of us, but I. I just have to be honest, I'm, I've, gotten more,
15:13:25 Questions? And I'm not, you know, it's, and I was getting skeptical of the questions I was getting, so I was looking for different sources and I feel like.
15:13:37 Yeah. I'm not super excited about the . Yeah . Well, or any location.
15:13:48 Taxing district 3 for a pool, 45Â min away Well, I mean, I think what are the assumptions that I feel like as an assumption and maybe putting a card in front of the horse a
little bit is that they making a PFD with a one choice is does not mean that that PFD is going to choose that one choice.
15:14:09 No, right? So to me, like we're going to consider a PFD, I guess I'd want.
15:14:13 At least in the works, you know. Looking at a mid-county option. I mean, I think if, you know, yeah, the For the reasons from Port Townsend, I didn't really.
15:14:25 Are you against that when you're going through the process? Cause it makes a lot of sense, you know.
15:14:30 But it also. I mean, Treasurer Prade is, our budget hearing that I dug into about where our sales tax revenue comes from.
15:14:41 It's not 5 to one. I did I did the math and double check with her and. Basically, 3 to one, our sales tax comes from outside of Port Townsend.
15:14:48 So, 74% of our sales tax over the last 5 years. 2,018 to 2,022 comes from districts 2 and 3 and 26% comes from district one.
15:14:59 And I mean, if you look at a map of Like he said, you know, it's.
15:15:03 That's not in the middle of the population. That's in the middle of a dense part of the population, but it's still in the middle of that.
15:15:09 It's in the middle of a third of the population. So I can see supporting a pool in Port Townsend.
15:15:16 But maybe calling it a Port Townsend pool. I mean, I guess that's the definition.
15:15:22 I can also see giving a PFT. Options that we've paid for the work to get done to explore.
15:15:28 What does that look like? You know, at that, you know, between the library and Mason Street.
15:15:34 I mean, that would be a great aspirational place to, you know, regardless of the market studies to build.
15:15:39 10 and you know you're gonna make you want families to move to the try area you know put a pool next to a library next to a school and that's just a That's a great combination.
15:15:50 So I mean, you could do market studies that show it, you know, there's not the same density around there, but also do a market study to show that.
15:15:58 Most of the people that come to the poor towns and pool are pretty close to it and maybe those people come to a pool they have to drop.
15:16:05 I don't know. I would be okay with a PFT with plan that you've outlined.
15:16:12 As long as we had kind of representative geographic. Representation like would you on all the other boards?
15:16:21 And staffing part. I mean, you guys were on each on 25 plus boards. And we see how limited.
15:16:25 I mean, Carolyn juggles, so many boards. You know, we don't have staff for a major campaign effort on a.
15:16:31 Major new public facility. It can be like the piff board. You know, it can't be like the any of the board.
15:16:40 I mean, there are very few of our boards. I mean, behavioral health has a luxury of Anna.
15:16:45 She spends a lot of her time. On that board. But it has to be a board that has capacity if it's going to be a new board.
15:16:52 It has to have some staff. I don't know. Looking at what election we're going to be on like hearing about the primary or the general.
15:17:02 That might not be advantageous for this current round of funding, but it seems like it would be a challenge even if we agreed right now. Everything's good.
15:17:11 Let's go to get an April election would be daunting, right? So. There's an independent financial study that needs to be done before it would make any decisions and that was
one part of the conversation that needs to be done before.
15:17:34 We would make any decisions and that was one part of the conversation that we had at the steering committee meaning that it's just really tight to make that April deadline.
15:17:36 And so we were looking at the November election and doing some retroactivity of the wide grants that they're eligible for. Great.
15:17:42 And I guess I'm. How much does this strategy, should this strategy be predicated on the strategies of other junior taxing districts or other, you know, yeah, that they're saying,
well, you know, we don't want, I mean, that's really the rationale against the MVD, right?
15:17:58 Is because there's a lot of asks for property taxes and there's only so much capacity and property tax for the poor.
15:18:03 Folks are saying no no thank you and they're just seeing the impacts of the East Jefferson fire levy so I mean I can I hear why an MPD in the city is not great.
15:18:12 What about a Well, in county too. Sh income is also gonna be going out. Yeah. I can't remember which second.
15:18:23 There would also definitely prefer not to a property text. Yeah, there would also definitely prefer me not to a property text. Right. And, you know, Gilson already said no.
15:18:35 Yes. In the vote. And so we said, okay, let's roll up our sleeves and we'll remodel our library ourselves and we did, you know, I mean it's What if it fails?
15:18:43 And then, yeah, that's and certainly there's no interest in putting something forward that is gonna fail and you know, what do you think what would be the impact that would
be your guess about an April special election for Kenny WITH, what would be your guess about an April special election for Kenny WITH?
15:19:00 I think similar to prop one. Yeah, so others are more optimistic, but you know, I said that's the feeling I am getting.
15:19:07 It does feel the same way, doesn't it? Like the real. It's an easy thing to.
15:19:12 Not one. Yeah. Well, and it's, it's, and it's, as I've said, I'm a number of, not me, me who doesn't want a pool, you know, it's but it's I'm listening to a lot of people in
the overwhelming I have a and my spreadsheet and I'm happy to share with anybody but every comment I get
15:19:32 I cat catalog it. And where the comments are coming from, where the people live and you know, who's pro and who's calling and what their major points are and I have if I think
300 comments now. And ADL, please.
15:19:51 Come on, you can walk in and throw out if you're gonna crawl in. I don't know.
15:19:57 She's slowly inching along the way. You're like, you see me and I'm, yeah, it's like lava. She's slowly inching along the way.
15:20:06 You see me that I'm, yeah, it's like lava. If you see me that I'm, yeah, it's like lava.
15:20:11 You know, there are a number of folks commenting. Con opposed who you know, are opposed to the idea at all.
15:20:20 But I'm getting a lot of comments that They don't, they want to pool. They just don't think this is the right configuration.
15:20:25 And so that is where you had to get off to a PFD to. Try to troubleshoot and look at the same information that we looked at and you know, I mean, I've always said we came up
with what we thought was the the feasible option, not that it is the, you know, easy sell or, 100% best option.
15:20:47 It's the best of the options that we have currently. And so giving it to another group of people to look at some of that same information, get more information if we need it.
15:20:56 I mean, I, I would. I would really want a market study down on headlock to see if it was, you know, with progressions for growth and, you know.
15:21:06 If that demonstrated that it could be a viable site, you know, then we have to think. Great to, about our, you know, if we were willing to kind of invest in a recreation facility
of that sort.
15:21:19 With the risk of course that the city would not be interested, although in this, you know, would the city still be, it would still be part of the PFD.
15:21:27 I mean, this is the challenge, right? Like. So giving another group of people an opportunity to look at that information and have a public process, without the steering committee
who's done some work to date, but you know, there's some some distrust in government, surprise surprise.
15:21:49 Well, I mean, something else like how much of the cost was destruction of the current facility. I mean like demo is a significant.
15:21:57 It's not it's not significant compared to 37 million is a couple 100,000 to demo the pool and the new pool will have to be dug but that soil can go to fill the old pool.
15:22:09 Okay, so you don't don't have to dispose of it and if nothing happened so they would just cost a couple of grand a couple of 100 grand clean up.
15:22:19 And that's probably what the city would do. Likely when the pool closes or if it closes, we're just holding it together.
15:22:27 That's, it closes, we're, just holding it together. That's, we would close it.
15:22:33 We would probably long range
15:22:33 And since some other strange community partners have come, can we hear from them? And then, yeah, you know, that sounds great.
15:22:44 Maybe we can, come up to the table just so you speak on the microphone.
15:22:46 Okay. Thanks for being here, Rich. Thank you. This for the record, I kind of wore or wear 2 hats in this process.
15:22:56 Number one, I was the president of the Aquatics Coalition. So coming from that angle, but I'm also on the board of the Y.
15:23:03 And I think one of the misfortune. Campaign things that we have out there is whenever we're talking about this, we're talking about a pool.
15:23:13 But really what we in the steering committee, you know, voted to have this be a why. And that's kind of been lost in all the rhetoric that Really what we're building is a why
in a pool is a component of it, but there's all this other countywide service that comes with.
15:23:31 Why and it was really enticing to think about that the why was looking at bringing 10 to 12 million dollars to the table.
15:23:42 And this project. We kicked this down the road and Kerry did say we could go retroactive.
15:23:47 Honestly, that's not very realistic. This is a competitive grant and if we apply for that grant, the Y does.
15:23:57 It says, well, we're hoping we're going to get something on the ballot. That, application is going to be shoved aside because they're just looking for reasons to narrow down
that pool.
15:24:08 Or a pool of applicants. So it's just kind of unfortunate maybe on our side of it, the steering committee, that we didn't.
15:24:17 Put this out there from the very beginning that this is a community why that we're building that happens to have a pool.
15:24:24 It's not just a pool. Or just an aquatic center. And I'm sure you're all aware of all the different programs that the Y does do for countywide and no kids get turned away from.
15:24:37 Camp if they can't afford it. Anything like that. So anyway, that's just I understand and I appreciate all your comments and I know this is kind of a been somewhat of a headache
you're getting a lot of input both pro and con but I wish I don't think we'd see as many signs in the county saying.
15:24:57 Know why tax if people actually knew that return to build a Y here. So thank you. Thanks, Rich.
15:25:06 John or Diane, anything you want to add? Yeah.
15:25:13 So John Noak, I'm one of the school board directors and. That's the primary perspective that I want to kind of talk to you about is the school perspective.
15:25:23 So. The first point is I think a pool is really important. I think you guys all agree with that, but I just want to say that and I also believe that the current pool has a very
short lifespan and is costing the city more and more money and it's not gonna last much longer.
15:25:40 So. I'm really fearful that we kick the can so far down the road and the pool fails and then our community is stuck without a pool which.
15:25:48 Is an important thing for kids in our community and that's kind of my one of my hats is.
15:25:53 Or kind of protecting kids in our community. And then, Greg, you alluded to this, but the PFD is definitely preferable funding wise from a school point of view because of the
competition of an NPD and property taxes and people are just only willing to vote for that.
15:26:11 So many times and you know they just voted for an increased DMS levy there's a you know other things come chimicum has a bond potentially coming port towns and has a bond in
the future.
15:26:22 And I think, you know, too many property taxes and people are going to start saying no. And also the PFD just felt.
15:26:30 Less impactful to people. I mean, 10 to $40 a year per person. You know, I know that's a lot for some people to afford, but it's it feels less to me than the amount that was
projected for a property tax.
15:26:45 So that's those are the reasons. That some of the reasons that I think the steering committee felt strongly about a PFD and I I'm sympathetic to people in South County because
I do understand that.
15:26:57 They would have to travel a long way to that pool but there's also probably a number of people in port towns and that would pay that tax and also never used, ized the pool.
15:27:07 Anyway, thanks for listening. Thank you, John. Diane, anything you want to add to the conversation?
15:27:14 Okay. Thank you for the opportunity. I was able to attend the steering committee meeting last week and so it was really helpful to learn about what's happening with the current
proposal to renovate the cost of that.
15:27:29 So I guess I'm just as a citizen looking toward the future and thinking about what are the viable options that we have.
15:27:36 And it's struck, it strikes me that this is truly a regional. Gee, that word countywide kind of asset.
15:27:46 And so. I think there's good faith proposals that have been made by others who weren't on the steering committee and would like to look at other locations and to me I think
those things should be looked at and there's been so much work done to date.
15:28:02 I would hate to see momentum stop and stall at this juncture when maybe in fact there is an opportunity to contrast and compare or get data.
15:28:11 And have that looked at without, you know, so much emotion around it, but just look at the facts and say, well, what are the different places this could happen?
15:28:19 I do feel that ultimately, even if it stalls out now, people are going to come back and say, well, we need to have a pool somewhere in this county.
15:28:28 So listening to this. The problems with the current pool, I mean, it's truly. Shocking frankly what what we're dealing with.
15:28:37 So soon we will be without a pool and it seems like it's just good prudent planning for us to consider the various options.
15:28:44 And so I only made that proposal about creating a PFD because it struck me that that would be the group that would be able to authorize the ballot and authorize construction
and that that has to be a really great group of citizens who are committed.
15:29:02 To the long-term running of a major new facility in the county. I mean, that the law that gives us in Washington state the opportunity to do that, you know, this is for the
life of the whole project.
15:29:12 We have to have this PFD. And so finding. Really great citizens who are committed to. Public administration of a new facility, have background in finance, have background in
construction, background and recreation, finding those individuals and getting them to work on this strikes me as maybe a next step.
15:29:30 It's just an idea. I mean, if it's premature, it won't happen, but it sounds like that's the only way we're going to get a new pool built if it, it remains a county wide.
15:29:43 Plan so that was where that idea came from and i appreciate how much time and attention all 3 of you have given this.
15:29:50 And so thanks for your service on this. Thanks, Dan. We should say Diane is with the Jefferson Aquatic Coalition.
15:29:58 Sorry, I should have identified myself. I'm a member of the board of the Aquatic Coalition.
15:30:04 Thank you.
15:30:09 Okay, well, are we gonna, are we opening up for public comment? Are we just at the onset?
15:30:16 I said if we're really contemplating action, Okay, this is another situation. Are we contemplating action today?
15:30:23 As our action proposed? There is, I mean there is a an idea that has come. And I said, but at the outset of this conversation that we could have potential action.
15:30:35 It is a a regular meeting and that if we did we would add public comment.
15:30:41 But we don't have to rush it. I think not. I mean, Rich said talks about the importance of meeting this.
15:30:50 Deadline and is it Is that when the grant deadline is? My understanding was. May. Right, so that's just.
15:31:02 Incomprehensible that we get a PFD that then gets that then decides to put something on the ballot and we also have to pay, you know.
15:31:11 I mean, it's not a general election. I don't even know what that is, but it's not $110,000.
15:31:15 It's more like you don't have to do any of the training costs or anything. It's like, 10,000 or 20,000, right?
15:31:20 Yeah.
15:31:22 And I think, you know, the
15:31:26 What we're asking you to consider today is not like. Creating a PFD. It is like.
15:31:33 You know, asking staff to move forward with. You know, with that concept and, you know, lot more information together.
15:31:42 A resolution, you know, there's there's stuff that we're not. Prepared to move in that direction today, certainly.
15:31:51 It's more of that's more the concept. Confused again if we're being asked to take action or what?
15:31:59 And what that? Yes, I'm asking. I'm asking if we want to take action and that action is do we want to move a PFT down the line?
15:32:03 Do we want to consider a countywide 50? With a different scope than was originally presented. You know, we're talking about
15:32:11 I mean, because even I think it was unrealistic to have one planned. I mean, I, you know, correct before the horse argument at the end that that We've done a lot of work for
this one plan, but, if you haven't put up PFT that's geographically representative, I don't think, I think they would want.
15:32:27 You got that representation on the board. I mean. Yeah, they're having hasn't been geographic representation yet except for at these meetings.
15:32:36 I think that is true. It was definitely Port Townsend Senator Steering Committee and that's to our discredit.
15:32:43 I mean, that's we. I'll let that walk down the road like that and then surprise at the conclusion that we reached, right?
15:32:51 If you guys wanna do it, I'm not, I'm sorry, I'm just not.
15:32:56 I'm not there. Other options are we could ask the city to do a PFD, send it back and say maybe a smaller PFD in the city and we can support it in other ways.
15:33:09 That's not, excuse me, that's not an option. The the RCW is only allow for PFTs in the county for recreational facilities.
15:33:18 Oh, so you could do citywide PFD for recreational facilities.
15:33:28 Oh, well, I mean, too, we don't have to make a decision on this today.
15:33:32 I think this is, you know, the first time you guys are hearing about it and it's something, you know, we could digest and.
15:33:39 You know, look into.
15:33:42 I'm not sure. We've read the statute a number of times. I'm not sure if there's a lot more to kind of understand, but I know that I would want to phone up on the.
15:33:52 Authorities that a PFD would have and you know, before we were to formally create anything.
15:33:59 For our point. And the independent financial report happens after we form the PFT. It happens before the PFT is formed.
15:34:10 And that costs how much money? So I can't even promise you. Oh, we, we don't have to wait until that comes back to form the PFT.
15:34:20 Doing. I believe you do, but they are not. A regulatory firm, the Department of Commerce, they just give you the report so that you have the information.
15:34:32 They don't say you can inform it or you can't form it. I thought we Okay.
15:34:40 And I mean, I think. 2 things can happen concurrently like, finding folks who are interested in serving, having having some sort of process for identifying who's eligible can
be happening at the same time that the financial review is and the something that I think we learned.
15:34:55 Or at least became more clear to me in our meeting with commerce and discussions afterward is that it's not like we are handing them.
15:35:02 A proposal for this facility instead of saying this PFD wants to bond for 20 million dollars. Is it, is this financially feasible?
15:35:11 For this this jurisdiction to to bond 20 million dollars it's it's you have to say what you're bonding for You have to.
15:35:22 Identify it as a recreational facility. So building a Y, but we don't have to say where we're building the line.
15:35:28 No, we don't. It's a financial mechanism, not a place face. Specific mechanism.
15:35:38 I mean, that's our biggest delay right now getting that it will inform. You know, bond rating and all that stuff.
15:35:47 I mean, getting a lot more information. That's just information, but. But it's due diligence, you know.
15:35:55 Well, you are sitting between us. Yeah. Thank you. You haven't expressed much opinion, Greg.
15:36:11 You know, I'm
15:36:14 One thing I'm not skeptical, skeptical about, skeptical about is that a vote in April would fail.
15:36:20 Positively. I do, John, characterized my perception correctly that I think an aquatic facility, a why would be it's something that we should have as a community.
15:36:34 I obviously have real location, real location issues and, and you know. You know, I hear it and I feel it living where I do, you know, I mean accessibility of services is a
real issue in South County and say nothing of the West End.
15:36:53 I would be willing to, I mean, we've invested a hundred $1,000 so far, right?
15:36:58 And I think doing the independent financial review is Solid due diligence. I mean, I don't know how those are good for a couple of years, right?
15:37:08 They look at the previous, sales tax record and that you're gonna bond against.
15:37:14 And so, yeah, but I think you're saying if we were to, you know, come up with a viable plan to put on a ballot measure would that report have some shelf life?
15:37:23 Yes, it would. Okay. 2 or 3 years.
15:37:27 Right, you know, I built a pool just just before COVID for half the cost with 3 tanks that right so I mean things are getting a lot more expensive right now timing is not great
We run out of our COVID, you know, slush fund to be able to juice it.
15:37:46 It's gonna be tough, but I guess I'd be willing to do the independent financial review.
15:37:51 And continue the conversation of. Yeah for this county wide amenity. What would a PFD look like?
15:38:00 I think that would be our work. You know. And I feel like it. Throws the baby out with the bathwater a little because you know I know a lot of work has been done by these people
here and a lot of other people too to come up with.
15:38:13 The plan as it is and there's these other variables that are really important, you know, the school districts property and the cities supplement of the existing services.
15:38:25 And that's, you know, why, kind of we let it go, right? But,
15:38:29 I don't know. I'd be willing to do to keep investigating the PFT and start the finance independent financial.
15:38:35 I guess is where I am. I think that where we've got some cost to the point that that's a small, you know, we're pot committed to that, but we're not pocket.
15:38:43 35 million.
15:38:47 Well, I think, I think we have to ask ourselves too, if not this, then what?
15:38:52 Do we? Just let it drop altogether. I mean, if the VFD, what will we do with PFD?
15:39:01 I've got this. You know, if we decided not to move forward with, with a PFT, what, you know, what does that mean or just not taking any additional action on an aquatic center?
15:39:14 At all. And Yeah, I think that's. Something we have to ask ourselves is the, and I know you've been very sensitive to public comment, do you hear people saying that I want any
pool or that they want an aquatic center just not this plan?
15:39:28 I can give you my spreadsheet. This they're all in there if they want to pull they want to pull somewhere else they want to pull in Port Townsend.
15:39:35 Their kids need a pool. I mean, I've kept all those comments. But I guess I'm asking, so is your position that if we weren't to take this action, what would you propose?
15:39:46 I feel like the information that we've gotten so far is kind of been all over the place and timelines have changed and I heard Greg say in that first meeting about this that
he was not for a PFD, was an MPD, so I went reading about NPDs and then the last week I went reading about PFDs and so I just feel like we need to know what we're being
15:40:04 asked. To support. And I also feel like I've. Heard input not from Jim Scarantino.
15:40:11 Sorry, Jim, if you're listening, but from other folks saying that this is an conservative estimate.
15:40:16 The amount, 37 million, that could be much more than that. And so I'm concerned about that.
15:40:22 How much are we actually talking about? So I just have a lot of like Practical concerns. I feel like and I guess I'm in a political position but I'm trying to be like a Think
of it like.
15:40:37 Campaign, right? How do we get this train on the track in the right way? That can serve the community in the best way.
15:40:45 And. Every time I get answers, I get more questions.
15:40:53 Big ticket. I don't think we're going to be able to get the answer. Absolutely.
15:40:56 There's certainly. Risk involved. I think we We understand. The risk better if we go down the road of financial review.
15:41:02 But. I, I can talk a little. That was already happening for some reason. So.
15:41:07 I can talk a little bit about the design. And the costing of the design, it was done by office architecture.
15:41:16 Obviously, I mean, that was the, yes, yes. Jim, coverage has a 30 year history of building buildings just like this.
15:41:24 He took the footprint of that building and flipped it around because there's 3 tables at Mountain View and he made it fit on a table.
15:41:32 So that there would be no retainage needed. He also did some redesign of some of the interior finishes of the building to bring that cost down.
15:41:42 So it was originally costed out at about 44 million and he brought it down to 37 million.
15:41:48 So is. $25. What did you say? $2025 in $2,026.
14:53:52 Just quickly go through yours
15:41:57 Yeah. So that's, I mean, you're gonna, you probably hear skeptics in the community that don't don't really want to pull or might be skeptical of them information, but please
just reach out and ask us the questions because we did go
15:43:05 If we didn't know that there was some support from the commission, Hi folks, we we lost we're having some bad internet issues here so we lost you a little bit but I think we
are back.
15:43:16 Or I guess the action on what we should consider today is do we want to authorize? So consider today is do we want to authorize? Are we paying for the independent financial
review?
15:43:27 Do you know what? That out? No, I think we should. That's very much up for question still.
15:43:30 Yup. Who's paying for this? 15 K independent financial review. Well, RCW, 36, point, 0, 0, 2, 5, says the PFT or the local government proposing to form the PFD or the local
government proposing to form the PFD has to pay for them.
15:43:46 Independent financial review, but Carrie. We're just discussing an Iowa where we could split the cost with the city.
15:44:00 Yeah, I reach out with the department to the Department of Commerce to ask about that particular, stipulation in the RCW and they said the city could pay half of it.
15:44:05 As long as you have an ILA and an agreement that you were going to share the cost and the county still took the lead.
15:44:11 Maybe the action we're considering is bringing us an ILA next week. Is that timely? And that's just the cost of the bonding cost, so the 22.
15:44:21 That is the cost of the independent financial review. But the financial review is for the bonding. Yes, the cost of the independent financial review. But the financial review
is for the bonding. Yes.
15:44:36 The independent financial review is required before you form a PFD before you issue any indebtedness as a PFD.
15:44:39 And before you develop a facility as a PFD. So there are 3 things calling for the financial review, all of which are under consideration here.
15:44:50 I mean, so I think, you know, there's, I don't know that it's formal action, but it can be.
15:44:55 Are we interested in learning more about this pathway and then having. You know, staff or the steering committee work on this next step.
15:45:09 More than like, and I don't even know that we have to take a vote on it, but it's more just is this a direction that we see as potential path forward to explore.
15:45:19 I didn't, I still want to know if there's any viability in the Metropolitan Park District.
15:45:26 There's no political appetite for Metropolitan Heart District. I mentioned it and you know, yeah, but it's not my decision and I think.
15:45:34 Well, maybe it is. I don't have my decision. And I think, well, maybe it is.
15:45:39 I don't have anything. Well, maybe it is. I don't have any because it was mine.
15:45:41 I don't think we have the authority and I don't think there's that political will as John was very clear about.
15:45:46 I think that is a There was also some discussion at the steering committee about a metropolitan park district.
15:45:53 We compared and contrasted a lot with the PFI. I have the table right here. Yeah, yeah.
15:46:00 And then we also took some questions to an open house and to a community survey and about 90% of the people came back and said they would prefer PFD rather than NPD.
15:46:09 Because I think the tolerance was there for sales tax more than property tax. Yeah, I think I have that survey right here.
15:46:15 Yeah, there it is.
15:46:20 Yeah, I mean, everyone prefers a sales tax too. Property tax. I mean more information is good.
15:46:28 I can't say that at the end of it I'm going to be super excited about. You know, bonding for 22 million but It would be good to know if it's even viable.
15:46:37 Okay. I love to get a motion on it and then we can. Have some brief public comment.
15:46:44 We have to be done by 4 30, of course. But. No, it's a Good fire marshal a fee for this one. Hot work, hot work.
15:46:59 I, I will, move to authorize, staff to. Bring forward more information about the.
15:47:07 Formation of a PFD and also work with the city to create an ILA to move ahead with the independent financial review.
15:47:16 1Â s. And to authorize staff to work with the city on an ILA for the payment of the independent financial review.
15:47:38 Okay. So with that, before we take action, we will open it up to the public, both with us and at home.
15:47:46 Look at the hands fly up. 3 go on. Let's let's Bring them all over.
15:47:52 We'll start with Gene. And then we'll go to Mr. Cheers and then we'll go to Shelley.
15:47:58 And let's see, oh yeah, and so if you're on the phone, you can hit star 9 to raise your hand and star 6 when we give you the opportunity to talk.
15:48:09 So please keep it brief, you know, and try to keep it with that your public comment directed to the motion on the floor, which is specifically to investigate a countywide PFD
for countywide amenities and to to explore with the city about splitting the cost of an independent financial review.
15:48:32 And to be clear that so that's a appointed board. Pointed by the PFT would be appointed by County Commissioners with Geographic representation from around the county to.
15:48:44 Consider options for a regional aquatic center. Okay, so. Oh, why?
15:48:56 All right, Jane, you're up. Let's hear your thoughts. And if people can keep it to 2Â min, we'll try to allow people 3Â min, but Please keep it brief just so we can give everyone
opportunity to talk.
15:49:04 Good afternoon.
15:49:05 Hello, this is Dave. Oops.
15:49:08 G, Gene first and then yeah Jane you'll be after Shelley.
15:49:14 Yes, we can hear you.
15:49:13 Can you hear me? Okay, just a little bit of feedback. There were, I was receiving numerous complaints that people were having difficulty logging in.
15:49:22 They were they were unable to log in to the meeting. So you might get some more comments about that.
15:49:28 So, you know, I said this a thousand times and I'll probably say it a thousand more.
15:49:34 The problem with this proposal is not that we don't see value in a pool for therapeutic educational training or social activity.
15:49:42 It seems pretty obvious. The lack of community outreach really turns me off from the process these, you know, Private meetings where there was no geographical representation,
only Foster's distrust in the process.
15:49:58 I think you'd be better served to form a citizens advisory committee if you want public feedback. A PFD is unnecessary and it has teeth.
15:50:07 NPD is a more surgical tool for the purpose. I know you got your problems with the MBD, but look it, here's the deal.
15:50:16 We're talking about a region of service which does not of access for most of the county residents and therefore I think you need to get over this NPD impediment that you've
got.
15:50:30 A PFD is is not going to do what we need done. Especially if it's going to be in Port Townsend and I agree we need to consider other options.
15:50:40 It may not be feasible. We don't know the answer to that. Because we don't know the answer to that.
15:50:46 So, you know, if we are considering an MPD for the purposes of taxing the users and excluding those who are already served or are outside of any conceivable service area.
15:51:00 You may find that that's gonna be the better mechanism. We keep searching for a way to force feed the county on an expense the county is objecting to in this MPD consider this
excuse me PFD consideration is just another attempt at force feeding us this proposal that is half baked.
15:51:25 Port towns and can't afford this pool and they want the county to pay for it. For them.
15:51:31 Let's be honest about it. If poor Townsend could afford it, they would not need to be taking money from the rest of the county.
15:51:38 For this facility. Black Point will soon have a pool of their own. Cape George has a pool.
15:51:44 Calapoint has a pull, port Ludlow has pulls. You're trying to tell me that those are service areas and a PFD would serve them well.
15:51:53 I disagree completely. If you haven't read the information on what happened in Camus, if I'm saying that correctly, They had the same proposal with the same construction company
and they lost that ballot measure by 90% and there was an elected official who ran unopposed and lost in a write-in campaign.
15:52:19 Thank you, Jane.
15:52:16 If that doesn't tell you what you need to know, I'm not sure what will. Please don't do this.
15:52:23 Okay. Next up is Mr. Teersch.
15:52:28 Hello, good afternoon. Once again, commissioners. This, novel notion of creating a PFT, but without saying, well, we're going to also get some money, but just create a PFD to
study the issue.
15:52:42 Is interesting. The financial analysis that would be required to say, well, the PFD is viable as long as it's not going to spend any money.
15:52:52 That would be a pretty simple analysis as long as there's a little source of funding for the staff.
15:52:56 But here's the rub. As soon as a PFD is actually created, it's an independent.
15:53:03 Government agency and it has within its powers Councilmatic bonding authority. And that's based on the assessed value of the properties in the county.
15:53:14 A PFD could issue 45 million dollars worth of debt without any vote of the people without anybody including you being able to say no.
15:53:24 And guess what? We're all on the hook for paying back that debt. So nice try, but not a good idea.
15:53:32 If you're gonna do a PFD. Really go for the whole thing, put it all out there and say, look, this PFD is gonna have to have bonding authority, approved by the voters.
15:53:44 Of x tens of millions of dollars. And you know, let's just be straightforward, you know, upfront about, about what's gonna happen here.
15:53:53 Cause trying to sneak something in the back door like that is, is just. It's sneaky.
15:54:00 It's not, not a wise way to go. The other thing I did want to mention is that there's all this talk about, well, you can just look at the minutes of the of the aquatic coalition
and of the steering committee.
15:54:12 Guess what? You can't. Those are on Google. Yes, you can find them, but guess what?
15:54:17 Also, you need a password. You can't get into the folder. Because you need to have a secret password.
15:54:23 That you have to beg and plead for, I guess. Well, I put in a public records request, so we'll see what comes back from that.
15:54:31 But the fact that the minutes are even the minutes are hidden from public view. That's really, really disappointing.
15:54:37 You can do better than that. Steering committee, please. Thanks.
15:54:43 Thank you, Mr. Chair. Yes, and now, good to have you.
15:54:46 Hi, I'm Shelley Ornell. I just did a quick count just unofficially before I got on this meeting and just on Facebook There are 13 threads.
15:55:00 And 875 comments that I was able to find in less than 10Â min. The majority of those comments are against this pool project.
15:55:11 We've already spent a bunch of money and that money could have been better spent. Port Townsend has pet projects that fail all the time.
15:55:21 And this is just going to be another one of them. And in my opinion, I agree we need a pool, but we need one pool.
15:55:29 We don't need 3. We don't need a lazy river. We don't need pickle ball cards, courts.
15:55:35 All of that stuff is just extraneous. If we need a pool, we have a pool, but we don't need all the rest of the stuff and it would cost a whole lot less money.
15:55:44 Be a whole lot more palatable to people. So. So I agree with the 2 previous callers that I think it's it's time to shut it down.
15:55:55 Why spend more money when you're seeing so much opposition? And it's not opposition to a pool.
15:56:00 It's opposition to this pie in the sky. Project. That's basically what I have to say today.
15:56:07 Thank you, Shelley. All right, we'll turn over to Jane Armstrong.
15:56:14 Thank you, Jane Armstrong. I would like to thank you and encourage you to.
15:56:22 Continue the due diligence process to look at this with the financial feasibility. And the fact that the PFD follows that, the formation.
15:56:33 That talking to people to see who might provide a Okay. A respected and qualified. Broad interest in community benefits and looking at how this might go forward or not or what
questions remain to be answered.
15:56:52 Including location and design. I think it's part of. What this process does that projects like this don't start with all the answers and they become more informed as people
input into them.
15:57:07 And a lot of work. Has been provided. It's. Been a lot of funding and a lot of resource.
15:57:19 Because people see the critical need for having this kind of benefit. And opportunity within our county. Thank you.
15:57:28 Thank you, Jane. Anyone else online with us that would like to make public comment? We would love to hear from you.
15:57:35 You can hit the raise hand button or star 9 if you're on the phone.
15:57:42 Anyone else in the room want to make any additional comment? I just have a 2Â s thing. Thank you.
15:57:47 Microphone. John, I just want to thank you all. I know this is politically a really challenging issue to be working on and idea I appreciate all the research that you've done
and I know it's not going to be an easy decision for you guys.
15:58:06 And I just appreciate the work that you're doing and hopefully at some point in some fashion will have a cool in this community that's going to continue to work for the next
50 years plus hopefully.
15:58:18 Thanks, John. I'll make one more call to the virtual attendees. If you'd like to make a comment, we'd love to hear from you.
15:58:27 Can hit raise hand or star 9 if you're on the phone.
15:58:31 Okay. With that, I will close public comments and we have a motion on the floor anymore. Conversation.
15:58:41 If I could just clarify that unless Mr. Teers wants to point me elsewhere. The authority without a vote is only for places with population over 1.5 million it does not apply
to this PFD or to any PFD we could ever dream of forming in Jefferson County.
15:59:00 Also, I just went on the city's website and got into all the minutes without any password.
15:59:06 That's the only reason I could read them. Yeah, so it is right on the city's healthier together website and I'm not sure about people not being able to get into the meeting
because obviously a lot of people were able to get in.
15:59:15 So I wonder if that had to do with the momentarily, but I don't think they would have prevented people from getting in.
15:59:22 Okay. Right. And so a PFD would have the authority to put anything on the ballot and that's that's where their authority for funding.
15:59:37 Would be. If they could afford it. Yeah, yeah, because they have to have the budget to be able to pay for the but the Yeah, I mean, again, like, you know, we're not forming
a PFD today.
15:59:51 You're about trying to answer more of these questions. About trying to answer more of these questions while the financial feasibility goes through.
15:59:58 So, yeah. Yeah, but I mean it took a lot of finding to get to this place even know what how much money would we be needing?
16:00:08 What are the other funding sources? So. I know. Are you coming around to, the financial review?
16:00:17 I'm sorry. You think we should just Stop and, Okay. Okay. Every time I woke up in the middle of night last night, I had to think about this and I.
16:00:28 But maybe there will be some new information today that makes me feel I'm not gonna vote for it.
16:00:33 So you guys come out for it though, you don't need me? Yeah, I know. Is your position then that?
16:00:40 Yeah. Back to Kate's earlier point. What other funding mechanisms are there? Could we raise the money private?
16:00:48 I mean, I still have like fundamental basic questions and I know this is just a study of the financial feesability of a PFD at a 20 million dollars level but I'm not that far
down the road on feeling like it's the right thing.
16:00:59 Yeah, I don't I don't have to support it. You don't have to, but it'd be nice to get you.
16:01:07 In the information that you need, but I'm not sure where you would trust that coming from. Well, if I I've found it so far.
16:01:13 I mean, I've been buried in information as you know, we had 700 pages of homework for Schrodinger program this morning.
16:01:19 So. In addition to all this. I mean, It's I have enough information right now, but I just don't.
16:01:25 I'm not feeling supportive of it, so I don't feel like I have to. If we were just voting on everything right now, you would say no pool.
16:01:33 No, I would say I'm not convinced that a PFD is the only our best path forward.
16:01:40 I agree with you on that. Okay. I'm not sure a county wide. Vote of anything is what is the mechanism that we need to fund to fool with.
16:01:53 In Port Townsend. Yeah. Yeah, Yeah, Tom, you can email me the, whatever information you have that.
16:02:09 That I miss spoke to.
16:02:16 Stands wrong. It's alright. I'm sorry. It's where I'm at, but it's where I'm at.
16:02:24 Any last thoughts? No, I mean, you know, I have. Said all along, I think that this is the, you know, this path that we're on, I think is the the best.
16:02:40 Path forward that a number of. Concerned, smart people have been able to come up with, with absolutely 0 incentive to come up with a plan that wouldn't work.
16:02:55 Despite the allegations thrown around. And so, you know, I would really hate to just throw the process away at this point because a lot of good work has been done and I hear
a lot of people saying, this point because a lot of good work has been done and I hear a lot of people saying we do want an aquatic center here.
16:03:11 Just need to find the right way to do it. So I'm interested in keeping that momentum going.
16:03:16 And not going back to square one. And I think just, you know, gathering more information.
16:03:23 We're being told this isn't quite the right plan, so. Just just keep trying to get some more information and doing our due diligence.
16:03:33 Alright, if we were voting on the whole thing today, probably would be with Heidi, but I don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
16:03:40 I wanna. I getll get to the phone. You guys to keep the baby alive. Alright, all in favor of the motion on the floor.
16:03:49 All right, all in favor of the motion on the floor indicates by saying aye. Aye. Aye.
16:03:50 All opposed. One. Alright, that's 2, 2 non consensus votes today. It's kind of a record for us.
16:04:01 It's a tough stuff that we're dealing with, but Okay, well thank you everyone, you know, more to be continued.
16:04:05 We'll see if what that ILA with the city looks like about. Conducting this independent financial review.
16:04:13 Commerce, I think commerce ends up facilitating a contract with someone else. Basically, right?
16:04:18 And then, you know, more on PFD as a possible funding mechanism and what that PFT can look like.
16:04:26 I mean, we could form a PFT and they're like, we don't want to pull, we want to, you know, great, better fields that they take care of Park and all the other ball fields in
town.
16:04:33 So. Yeah, there's no there is no absolute destination that we're getting to but You know, nice to swim there.
16:04:42 Thank you. Thank you so much, Kerry. Thanks for sticking with us. So, okay, that sounds great.
16:04:53 Okay. Well, we are at 4. We have not done calendaring. I think we don't have anything else specific on our agenda.
16:05:01 Maybe we'll take a Right, we don't need a recess. We'll be done in a moment.
16:05:09 Okay, well, let's bring him over. Mr. Trish, we'll give you a chance to talk.
16:05:14 Not sure. Hopefully we're coming through loud and clear.
16:05:24 Commissioner, Deagan asked for a citation. But, bonded debt capacity RCW 36 100 6 0.
16:05:36 You ask me a question. I'm willing to answer if you give me the opportunity. Thank you.
16:05:38 Alright, thank you, Mr. Chair. Have it open. Alright. Hmm.
16:05:45 Okay, so any conflicts on calendars coming up or you want to spend just a moment or 2.
16:05:53 Looking for? This week I have a couple of complex. Tomorrow. I'm participating in the Central Service Director interviews and I will be missing as a result of that I'll be missing
the Jefferson County Human Services meeting which is.
16:06:11 And I think the only person out 3 of the 3 of us, the only one who could attend is Kate, Greg and I are both in those central service director interviews.
16:06:19 So I don't know if you're available from 10 to 1130 tomorrow. And then on.
16:06:30 Thursday. We have a public infrastructure fund special meeting at 2 30 and that. Conference.
16:06:43 I already asked you. Do you? You're in the mental health. You'll be great. Okay, great.
16:06:47 That was it. All right, any conflicts for you, Kate, that you need help with?
16:06:55 You going to that early childhood coalition monthly meeting? Keep showing up. Let me see, I've not gotten that far.
16:07:05 We should all start with the Callum counties invitation today that is kind of an ongoing invitation to join them at their meetings with washed on.
16:07:11 Right? Which might want to schedule that. Do we have transit tomorrow afternoon? No. The nineteenth.
16:07:22 This transit. So, Manning.
16:07:26 Calendar does not. Mean anything. I'm not going to make it to the childhood.
16:07:35 Yeah.
16:07:36 Yeah, I have a conflicting meeting.
16:07:46 No, I don't think I have. Prtpo. Have outstanding conflict with that on Friday morning.
16:07:56 You could see if Monte is planning to attend. From 10 to 12. Kind of coordination. On the fifteenth.
16:08:05 Yes. I, have, I'm free then. Okay, I think that it's one of those where we.
16:08:14 The person only the person has the ability to both and so maybe I'll see a person, only the person has the ability to. Oh, and so maybe I'll see.
16:08:24 And, the, oh, okay. Let me see if he, I was, to attend, but he often doesn't because he's.
16:08:27 Busy and it's a long meeting. But. What was I, I neglected to save the document.
16:08:35 I have to go for KPTZ when they was looking on. The fifteenth. No, I'm not at the fifteenth And my next one is on the 20 ninth.
16:08:50 That must be me the 15. Mine was the one after Christmas. I plan. I'll go back and listen to the meeting last week.
16:08:58 You put it on the, the schedule. Hey and I didn't save the schedule after I made this changes.
16:09:04 I'm on for the 20 ninth I'll plan on it being me. I think I'm sure it is. I'll probably do it.
16:09:13 I can do it. I can do it. I got county coordination. So people get tired of me, though that'd be 3 weeks in a row.
16:09:21 Yeah, no way they want to just make it you. Calendar right now. Okay.
16:09:26 Hmm. Well, how do you do? Do you want to talk highlights of the calendar or just I guess conflict is all I asked for.
16:09:35 Let's see.
16:09:38 So tomorrow the And the governor's riparian roundtable meeting is that. Jamestown.
16:09:49 So doing that then, calendar or agenda setting for Board of Health meeting. At noon.
16:09:58 And I have. Peters on Partnership Leadership Council planning meeting. And then the climate action committee tomorrow afternoon.
16:10:10 Wednesday another conversation about PFDs so Mark and I are still trying to gather some more information on that.
16:10:18 The, how it affects our, capability, all of that. We did not get much information from the state.
16:10:27 And so meeting with bond council on Wednesday morning to learn more. It would also be interesting to know how sales tax measures affect.
16:10:35 Property tax measures when they're in the same cycles. Psychologically. In terms of voters.
16:10:46 Sales tax measures competing with. School bonds or you know, like, you know, how do measures compete with each other?
16:10:56 I mean, people know people, started the me on bonds and. Levies have that information I just haven't heard hmm there's been a study or Yeah, I don't know if bond council would.
16:11:11 I don't think they're necessarily. Ballot initiatives experts but Yeah, can ask around.
16:11:24 Meeting with a couple of constituents on Wednesday, then our child care team. And for your guards meeting also on the wrong day.
16:11:39 Friday morning number of conflicting meetings, but probably be attending the state board of health environmental health committee meeting.
16:11:49 Are you talking about this week or next week? This week. Oh.
16:11:54 Then meeting with, Monty and Eric to talk about state route, 19 and 20 corridor.
16:11:59 And that's it. Great. See, I don't.
16:12:06 Have a lot of conflicts. I'm also on the hiring panel for the Central Service Director. Depending on how late it goes, I might miss the quilting powered teams coalition.
16:12:16 And I've got Orca and the North Olympic. Peninsula Recompete Coalition helping with which I am the vice chair of now I think I mentioned yeah yeah.
16:12:28 Kind of working out some governments governance practices with my French and Lauren Lester that And then we're having that meeting on Friday, the whole group.
16:12:38 I have only cap on Wednesday. It's not a conflict this time, but as we come to.
16:12:43 Looking at. Boards and committees the. Time that the only cap meetings are already a hard conflict with my graduate program so I might look at training that for something.
16:12:57 It's been a great. Learning experience and has very varied amounts of responsibility, but it might be.
16:13:04 It might be productive to have a new voice on that board. I'm making a list of things I need to cycle out of too.
16:13:12 Jeff Calm on Thursday at 2 only 2 different times on Thursday at 2 only 2 different times on my calendar.
16:13:16 Doctors appointment, I will be covering the mental health field response team. Pretty sure I'm on KPTZ.
16:13:22 I'm sure I wrote my guest down. I just didn't save it so I'll find that out.
16:13:27 And then county coordination on Friday as well.
16:13:33 Mark, how's your calendar look? Any conflicts or high points? Well, just rifle through everything they have on their, tomorrow.
16:13:44 Fully occupied with. Director interviews. One of our candidates, has withdrawn.
16:13:52 One of the 2 or one of the 3. One of the, I was trying to be artful.
16:14:02 I forget one of the women, had a death in the family and had had to withdraw. So we're gonna drive on with the 2 others.
16:14:12 Wednesday. Huddling with Sarah on the Public Works Teamsters contract. We need to sort of work game because we're gonna meet with the bargaining unit later in the week because
you know they I'm turned down.
16:14:27 It turned down the contract. And then there's the meeting on the PFT feasibility with.
16:14:33 The bond council. That the cities retained. And then, monthly coordinating meeting with Brent Butler and, Josh Peters and.
16:14:45 A really great job by Brent on the Caswall Brown package. Favorable decision.
16:14:54 Then on Thursday. Ceo breakfast with Cindy Brooks with EDC then Jeffcom 9 1 one per meeting.
16:15:07 And then a special Piff board meeting in the afternoon. And then on Friday. And meet with Josh, then county coordination meeting, then we probably ought to get together on a
agenda for that.
16:15:23 And then, labor negotiations with Public Works Teamsters in the afternoon. Yeah.
16:15:31 Seems like strategic planning we should talk about again. We talked about implementation. I don't know.
16:15:37 With the Canada coordination meeting. How figuring that out. I don't know if you have more progress.
16:15:46 Strategic planning implementation. We, it had been suggested that we touch on that at county coordination meetings.
16:15:53 Also that it could take too much time. That's not the place to work out an implementation. No, no, but certainly that can be an item.
16:16:00 That we can report on.
16:16:03 Cool. All right. Reminder to Carolyn, you invite Phil sincere for that item that we told from the consent agenda. Anything else?
16:16:18 We should take? I mean, we're gonna get out of here. 15Â min. Yes.
16:16:23 Because Keaton, how do you both start on the housing fund board? I mean, Craig and Kate, you said, and Kate, you said hate and hide it. Yeah. One of the 2 or Jack.
16:16:36 3. I said, I said it wrong to correct me. So that's okay. Yeah, on the board and January third was going to be 3.
16:16:43 Craig and Kate. I said, I said it wrong too, correct? So that's okay.
16:16:45 Yeah, spare you date Not just 2, but 3 member seats are expiring. So that changes things. Yeah. Peggy.
16:16:53 And, Yeah, it must be Julie because Julian because there's no one else.
16:16:59 Put an add out and so the housing phone board needs to meet and recommend. And then So the January third meeting could be the meeting 2.
16:17:09 Housing so they get, There's so there may be more So just saying, stand by.
16:17:18 No, thanks for catching that. Okay.
16:17:25 Okay. Anything else for the good of the order?
16:17:32 Well, I should just let you all know that the The what we thought was 670 acres that we were getting of the 2,000 acres is now been.
16:17:42 We're out 9, 950 acres. Wow. There's a I got a press release from DNR today and I'm trying to figure out where they are and how they got added but I haven't gotten an answer
on that so.
16:17:56 Something, and something called
16:18:01 Notch peek. So I don't, I don't know where they are. Interesting.
16:18:10 So in addition to the expansions to the day, bay, which we've heard about. There were an additional 200 acre, 250 acres.
16:18:19 Scrolling down, yeah, notch pass, Mount Walker. 280 acres, the other approximately 280 acres to be protected are near Mount Walker and Notch Pass.
16:18:29 I just like to match pass actually. Oh yeah. Jason to existing long term conservation areas. Apparently.
16:18:37 Okay, so
16:18:45 Okay. Thanks for that. Anything else?
16:19:03 I think so. So, We're gonna meet next week but not, not on Christmas. Not on Christmas.
16:19:14 Next week are we doing our board reshuffle? We can first talk about it, but I think we do that.
16:19:18 We officially do it in the new year. Okay. Talk about it or through. It was on today's agenda. So if you had any that you want to call out.
16:19:29 But you. Yeah, call out any today that they would probably like to move or like to grab. I just, I mentioned, I've felt like having so many of the funding boards has been a
lot of work, which has been fine.
16:19:48 But if I'm going to be chair next year. And also running for reelection. If I decide to do that, I feel like.
16:19:53 Having someone else take. One of the funding boards So I was thinking maybe LTAC and TCC and probably not to Kate because she's going to be so busy but Alright, I'm in school.
16:20:08 Okay, well, whoever, but those 2 go together well because they you know, subject matter and then funding.
16:20:17 No, I'm happy to take it. So those were 2 that I was. Kind of thinking about.
16:20:24 That's as far as I've gone and thinking. Yeah, no, I have I have capacity.
16:20:30 It's probably a matter of conflicting. You know, finding times that work. You know, if you want your own holy cap, like, how.
16:20:41 But you, those times work for you, TCC, you've done them before. I've done them before.
16:20:49 There's another conflict like with, I mean, there's always something with empowered teams, but there's another So I think it's good.
16:20:55 There's a brooch. I don't wanna get rid of overcap. It might be best for overcap.
16:20:58 It might be best for overcap. It might be best for overcap if I share it with someone else.
16:21:00 Hmm. Okay.
16:21:03 Alright, well more about that next week. And with that we will adjourn. See you guys next Monday.
13:51:55 From Chambers to Everyone:
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