HomeMy WebLinkAboutclosed_caption17:37:35 I like it so they can go home. You know, any way.
17:37:42 Good. Let's just be having here. Then, we'd be recorded. Yes.
17:37:54 Like the call to order the, December, twentieth, January third meeting of Jefferson County Plan Commission.
17:37:59 And here is our for. Oh, not give me wait. It's been time. Yeah.
17:38:08 And we'll start with a. Roll call. Rick is here. Matt?
17:38:26 And, and, you know. 3, 3 commissioners told us they wouldn't be here today.
17:38:33 So we're waiting on Kevin. Okay, that's true. Alright, so the You have a Is there any concerns with the agenda?
17:38:45 No, she has approved them. We have a set of minutes to approve. From December twentieth.
17:38:55 Thank you, Cynthia. Is there a second?
17:38:59 Mike, Mike, Joe's second in motion. Any discussion? All approved.
17:39:09 I have to explain. I wasn't. Yes, I wasn't. Okay, we have to, that is a problem, isn't it?
17:39:19 No, you just need a majority of who's here. 3. Yeah. Next again, the is.
17:39:32 Plan, and, updates. Are there any updates? No planning commissioners. Not a new year.
17:39:40 That's an update. I sent out an email to the housing subcommittee today. Chris and Just kinda laying out what I've been working on and setting stage for what we have to do and.
17:39:57 Well, they're going to do here. And promise I would check in with Mike about that. And I think that The other thing is, might be on the agenda.
17:40:07 The outreach subcommittee could use more people. At least one more person because there's 2 of us.
17:40:14 Right? Although did, no, step down.
17:40:21 Sure. I think given upcoming health. He's refused himself from the committee because of the sort of You said, so West and well and I'm probably try to recruit more people for
that committee which I was already.
17:40:45 Planning to do. So they're giving me blood lives. But Yeah, we need more people on that.
17:40:52 Is that outreach when they get add them and they retreat? Thanks guys. Yes, we could.
17:41:02 We could make that part of our retreat business. Talking about the cookie, you know, because maybe you do have our interest.
17:41:07 Yeah, that's the end of this. I did have one. Okay. I sent out a link to an article about the state of Washington looking at regulations to, about rent.
17:41:32 It's not rent control because that's not legal, but they have another term. And I sent it up several days ago to the Planning Commission desk and asked that it be forwarded
and I haven't seen it come through and so I send it through again today and I still don't even know.
17:41:48 It may very well being there. I suspected it. Is that trouble with the plan information desk? Email.
17:41:55 It's been troublesome or so flawed that for talking to try to make it work. So I apologize.
17:42:08 Yeah, they have a public comment for it. For comments, what's on the agenda, bigger comments.
17:42:27 We're talking not on the agenda. I suppose it could be. Or anything. I don't know if anybody has Thomas, Oh, sure.
17:42:37 I guess introduce myself. Awkwardly. My name is Sara Powers. And I think I'm watching some of your meetings on Zoom.
17:42:53 But I'm gonna say hi and and I think I'm watching some of your meetings on Zoom like that.
17:42:59 And any other environmental that you guys get to discuss. And during our process. Okay. There is one person online, but I don't know if they have anything that they'd like to
talk about.
17:43:23 Well, they should know they probably know by now that we're having a, public comment period.
17:43:29 You have a comment online. That's the time.
17:43:36 Hearing none, that will close the public comment period.
17:43:44 Yeah, next time. I have 7 transmitted information and there is none. Bond to item 8 presentation and question answer session on DCD permanent efficiencies.
17:43:57 Mary Galler and George Kerry. Cool. Let's stand up just because I like to stand up.
17:44:08 So I just gonna introduce myself to begin with. I'm Greg Ballard. I am. Have a bachelor's of science from environmental policy analysis and planning from UC Davis.
17:44:21 I graduated in 1,988. I worked 3 years in Riverside, California as a planner.
17:44:28 And I went for 7 years at Click Attack County where I was a snow ship planner in Washington, south of Yakima.
17:44:36 I love it there. And I was 3 years as a senior planner at Yakima County where I got to get introduced to the hearing.
17:44:46 It's pretty fun. Then from, 2,003 to 2,006, I came to Jefferson County.
17:44:53 And I was supposed to spend half my time on mining projects. I was in charge of the Fred Hill.
17:45:01 Project that. Wall, pretty controversial case. I ended up having to do a non project DIS for a MRL.
17:45:11 And they got upheld. I also did about 10 or 11 show life hearings for mostly stairs to the beach.
17:45:43 I also do a lot of the forestry applications here. We have this conversion option harvest plan option that's part of our code here.
17:45:52 Haven't been used very much but I did about 10 of them all I was here. I also lifted the 6 year moratorium when appropriate.
17:46:01 So we had a process for that. I also did a lot of the standalone storm and water applications.
17:46:05 I kind of try to do the mostly the resource stuff because some of the other stuff was you know, I was kind of in that in that.
17:46:13 Mode. Then I went to Calm County for 17 years. As a senior planner. I started commuting that, you know, 2 out, you know, 8Â HA week from.
17:46:24 Port towns in there and I was a senior planner there where I did about 460 applications.
17:46:31 120 were like public hearings before the hearing examiner. I did all types of applications, land division, shorelines, critical areas.
17:46:41 Every type of variants and so I'm pretty to know you with all the code with. With my spare time I did like 4 or 5 ordinances which included a ag in critical areas.
17:46:53 It was a GMA compliance issue. That I got risk. Resolved it was for 60 years and it's pretty interesting.
17:47:02 I also did a, mining, compound and I develop complex plants for the mining and the, zoning.
17:47:14 And so I kind of adopted a lot of Jefferson standards that I used here. In Column County and it worked pretty good.
17:47:19 I also ended up having to pass a stormwater ordinance and then we had never adopted a stormwater ordinance.
17:47:29 And so we are under a compliance issue with ecology. And so I got this stormwater ordinance passed.
17:47:33 It has easier thresholds that they have here. The 2,019 has standard thresholds. And ecology basically said you could have easier thresholds and when I say easier thresholds
like right now if you have 7,000 land disturbing activity.
17:47:51 You trigger a stormwater permit and cloud and you could have 10,000 or 20,000 square feet. Before you have to.
17:47:57 Trigger the permit depending on the size of the parcel. And so basically this county has basically 5 acre zoning, a lot of big parcels.
17:48:07 And a lot of the storm water stuff that was written. In the stormwater manual of Western Washington, the 2,019 was written for like King County areas so it's really strict at
standard and and restrictive and that's a lot of it's for like urban type development.
17:48:25 And this county's mostly 5 acre parcels. 5 acre parcels typically don't need a lot of store water requirements.
17:48:33 One of the things is if you have a hundred feet of native vegetation, you pretty much meet full dispersion.
17:48:39 You don't really have to do anything. And so I did the stormwater ordinance and then I did a, forest conversion audience, which basically I, what they have here and I made it
better there so we could basically do the conversion option harvest plans and lift the moratorium in a more efficient manner.
17:48:59 And, DNR love the process. And it worked really good. And then. As my farewell thing I did a landscaping ordinance which wasn't my strong point.
17:49:12 But it was kind of neat because I copied Pierce counties. I always copy other counties because, you know, why event the wheel and they had the existing and proposed uses and
there is different landscaping requirements based on what the existing and proposed use was.
17:49:31 So I came up with a model of that. And I included that in my package. And so then after 17 years.
17:49:37 Josh, I've known him, Peters, the director for 20 years. He asked me if I wanted to come back and.
17:49:44 It was a hard, hard decision to come back, cause I really love Colin County and I felt like I was making a difference, but.
17:49:52 It seemed like they needed me here and so in June of 2021 I decided to come back. And be the development code administrator.
17:50:02 So horrible title, I'm the charge of permitting. And so permitting who I've done for 33 years.
17:50:08 And so that's what I get to do. And it was like someone wrote a job description exactly what I like to do and I'm living my drink.
17:50:17 And so. I don't know if you guys know, but 2023 was a hard year for DCD.
17:50:23 I'd say we lost about 13. Lanners, which is probably like 70% of the staff.
17:50:29 And so when I started, we had just finished losing 3 people. And so we are down 3 people.
17:50:37 And so it's like, what do you do when you don't have a good staff. Full staff and you basically having all these younger staff just moving a job to job because that's what millennials
will do.
17:50:50 So, I mean, the first thing I did was I was thinking like, do I know anybody who would like to be a planetary.
17:50:56 And so I had the sanitarium at Collum, his name's Andy Gosnell.
17:51:01 He has 5 years of experience being a sanitary in at Plum and he basically said he wanted to be a planner.
17:51:07 So we hired him as an associate planner. And now he's reviewing by septic in my building permits.
17:51:13 He's also doing stormwater and forestry and stuff like that and because we're so awesome I can then come out half time to environmental health because DCD caught up on our building
and our septic permits and we're no longer like when I started we were issuing like 2 building permits a week which is embarrassing because when I was in follow we would issue a building
permit within like 2 or 3 weeks.
17:51:38 And here I was like, how we issue only 2 building permits a week. And they were like, we have a thousand conditions we put all.
17:51:46 I'm like. Why are you conditioning building permits? I hated doing that when I was here.
17:51:51 George does a great job on SDRs. He puts all those requirements. Why are we doing that over again?
17:51:57 And so we stop conditioning building permits. We do a consistency review where we say is consistent with the SDR.
17:52:05 And It's in the developable area and We can just say, do you need any more permits?
17:52:12 You need any more studies? And then you issue the building permit. So now we're issuing like 10 to 15 building permits a week, which doesn't sound a lot, but that's pretty much
got us caught up.
17:52:23 And so people ask me all the time. How many SDRs? You know what my metric is is I had 10 or 15 people complaining to the county commissioners when I had 10 or 15 people complaining
to the county commissioners when I started here and they complain to the county commissioners to the the county administrator to the director, you know, and me.
17:52:45 And now we're getting like one or 2 complaints a week. And so I'm not saying that we're We're out of the woods, but I think we're doing pretty good.
17:52:53 And then I was like. You know, it'd be really nice if I could get like an experience planner to help me out.
17:53:02 And so I thought You know, the mochi. She worked here for 6 years. She was doing land division, she knew how to do everything.
17:53:14 And she went to Click Attack County. As a senior planner for 3 years and then she became the director for 7 years And I knew because I'm friends with her that she wasn't happy
there.
17:53:23 I said, how would you like to be a senior planner at Jefferson County and work remotely?
17:53:30 And, you know, we had it for create a new position, started at the top, but she's basically my senior planner.
17:53:38 And so what she does for me is she It's fixing my land division process anytime there's some complicated thing that I need to figure out and I get disrupted all the time.
17:53:50 I say, hey, can you figure out? How to do, the land division checklist. Can you figure out how to do this?
17:53:56 She figures about out for me. And so I'm also having her try to improve the SDR process.
17:54:02 And so right now we're just getting through the SDRs, but we're trying to figure out is there a way we can do a better and more efficiently.
17:54:10 And like one of the things that when we started here was.
17:54:15 I mean, George started doing him. I made a few corrections or things I wanted to see and now he's doing a better SDR product.
17:54:24 We also got the outlaw groups and now not only this he's not really doing SDRs but he's managing the outlaw group to do them but we're basically getting through the SDRs.
17:54:34 But instead of just getting through them, they'd be like, oh, now they have to do a lot consolidation and that process was taking 2 months.
17:54:41 And I was like, Can't we come up with a better way of doing that? And so George came up with a process where It's a lot of consolidation that basically it's similar to the environmental
health the way they do like a covenant, but it describes the existing parcels and the proposed parcels that we have lilacs and now in charge of our land inventions, doing that form
because it's pretty meticulous
17:55:08 work. And she fills that out. She gives it to the treasurer to make sure that the taxes are paid to the assessor, make sure the legals are okay.
17:55:16 I sign it. It gets signed, it gets recorded and it's happening in 2 or 3 weeks now instead of.
17:55:23 Months and so that was a huge improvement. And then we had the situation. I don't wanna get too much into Sdr's because that's George's baby wick, but.
17:55:33 We have one parcel and 1010 lots or something and They want to consolidate it. Well, it's already one parcel.
17:55:40 Why are we consolidating it? So instead of doing that, I was like. To the assessor of like, can't we just put a note that says one parcel per SDR and the legal lot of record
and put the case number and sharing goes sure.
17:55:57 So we started doing that if it's only one parcel. You can do that process and it's really quick.
17:56:03 Okay. And so. Yeah, that's kind of what's happened. We also got a, A planning tech, Emily Hopkins, her Walmart for public works and her dad's works for the PD.
17:56:18 She sharpest attack. She's reviewing all our doing our case intake. She's helping George with Sdr's.
17:56:24 She has a degree in geography. So she's super sharp. And so that's really nice.
17:56:29 We also have I'm in building tech and it's just like things are going really well.
17:56:37 And so. You guys have any questions on this?
17:56:49 So basically like my presentation is pretty simple. I wrote this brochure. I wrote one in 2,000.
17:56:58 3 to 6 and this is just an updated version of it. It just explains to people about forestry.
17:57:07 And the way forestry works is back in the day. Someone would have 20 acres, they clear cut the 20 acre.
17:57:14 I'd sell it to Joel. Joel would say, okay, I'm ready to build a house.
17:57:17 Theedar says, hey. You said your building, you're you're cutting trees. You're subject to, you know, 6 year moratorium, you need to reforest and it was a big problem.
17:57:27 So they created this process where they recorded the national section moratorium on properties. And that worked great.
17:57:34 And then eventually, did our stop doing that. So what happens now is any parcel is over 2 acres in size.
17:57:41 Doesn't matter when it's sold, doesn't matter the taxing program. If you cut more than 2 log trucks with the trees, you need a DNR application.
17:57:51 When you have a DNR application, they say, are you staying in forestry? And if you say yes.
17:57:59 You do it through a class 2 3 or 4 special force practice permit and you get a 6 year moratorium.
17:58:06 We actually have on our website all the different. Forest practice permits. You know, and it's basically a map.
17:58:14 It's a first link on our website. And it shows you if it's a class 2, 3, 4 special or for general.
17:58:21 A for general says, Hey, I'm converting. If you're saying I'm converting, you're just doing a use that's incompatible with growing trees.
17:58:28 A house is incompatible growing with trees. A septic is I'm sorry to interrupt.
17:58:35 I want to inform the chair of the Commissioner Coker just joined us online. Thank you. So basically like, you know, people say, well, I'm not converting, I'm just building a
house.
17:58:45 Well, you're converting because you cannot put. Trees on where the house is growing. And so that's the rule.
17:58:52 And so doing a class for general. Cost you $1,500 and then a lot of times they ask us if we want to do the lead for SIPA.
17:58:59 And if we do see, it's another, you know, $1,100 that takes us. All this time and effort to do it.
17:59:07 And unless we have like. Critical areas that we have to protect. We don't really want to be the lead for CEO.
17:59:15 I mean, if you say, Hey, I'm in forestry. I want to stay in forestry.
17:59:19 It's except for our credit card and coach. It's a way it is statewide. So if somebody is saying I am a big force parcel, I want to cut trees.
17:59:29 I'm gonna keep it in trees. I'm not gonna do any development on this property. We don't apply our streams that backs.
17:59:37 We don't apply our wetland setbacks. We don't apply anything because It's a resource use and that was basically how the state law was written.
17:59:45 That's kind of freaks people out, but if you think about it. You know, that's basically.
17:59:51 They want to keep resource uses going as one of the preferred uses of GMA is. Resource lands you know that's forestry that's add that's mineral lands and so that's one of the
things that a lot of people don't understand.
18:00:07 And so this whole thing idea. 4 streets. Okay, a conversion option harvest plan. Says, hey, I don't want the moratorium, but I would like to keep my options open.
18:00:20 And we say, hey, that'd be great. We've got standards. And so if you do a class for general, I have no requirements.
18:00:28 I have no standard except criticality standards. So I can't tell anybody how to cut the trees.
18:00:33 I can't tell them, oh, anything. I just can say, you know, you have to buy them.
18:00:42 Yeah, you have to comply with my critical areas if you do a class for general and maybe a storm wanted permanent.
18:00:44 If you do a C OHP, I'm going to be like, hey, you can only cut 40% of the trees.
18:00:49 More than 30% of the trees along the edges and lung the roads. You have to keep all sizes and classes of trees.
18:01:00 You can't clear and stump the areas and you end up with a It's a win win for the county.
18:01:05 And so for us not to have been doing those for 15 years it's kind of alarming to me and I eventually want to do them over again because it's right in I think it's 18, you know,
2260, it talks about, you know, 4, to, So it's it's a tool that we don't use and you're thinking why aren't you using that
18:01:29 tool? And that's because nobody's promoting the tool. So when I was here, one day a week, I would be planner of the day and somebody would say, hey, and I'm like, hey, looks
like you got trees on their property.
18:01:43 What are you gonna do with the trees? They're gonna like, how my cuts on the trees.
18:01:46 I'm like, how you gonna cut the trees? I'm gonna do a class more general.
18:01:51 I'd say how would you like to do a COHP. In general, I'd say, how would you like to do a COHP? It's a cheaper process.
18:01:56 You don't pay 1,500 in the DR. You pay a hundred. 100 to DR and the thing I like about COHPs is that I I approve the COHP and then I give it to DNR and DNR implements the COHP
and all our conditions are approval.
18:02:11 So it's a neat process. And so. I shouldn't be excited about force, but I'll try not to live there enough.
18:02:23 Storewater is pretty, I gave you the Colin County. You guys will notice that I like green yellow on red.
18:02:27 Green is good. Yellow is this. These are the thresholds. The first one, this is, County Stormwater.
18:02:37 And then what I did was And I'm horrible jumping around. Then after that I just put the thresholds, the column got adopted.
18:02:43 Which are different than the. The standard thresholds that you'll see in the 2,019 and so these are just for reference they're not really for you to look at too much.
18:02:55 So then if you go to. This table and I'm sorry Alex I'm gonna drive you crazy.
18:03:01 This is basically from like the 2,019 storm water manual. And so basically this form is kind of.
18:03:15 Easy like the first question is. Can you dashboard that one? Yeah, page 11 of your handout.
18:03:22 Yeah, so the first question is, and I'm just gonna go through all the papers. Yeah, more than 35% of pervious.
18:03:30 That's probably gonna be no. Do you have more than 5,000? Of new or hard circus or impervious surface.
18:03:38 And so if you answered yes. Then you have to do minimum requirements one through 9 and that will be the next page that will explain that.
18:03:46 If you say no, they say, are you converting more than 3 quarters of an acre of vegetation to lawn?
18:03:52 Or landscaping or 2.5. Or more of native vegetation to pasture. And if you say no, if you say yes, you go back to.
18:04:02 The big we call an engineered stormwater plan. If you say no, it says you have more than 2,000.
18:04:09 Square feet of impervious surface. The purview surface is anything that doesn't infiltrate the natural rate of infiltration.
18:04:16 So if you basically have a a dirt area that you'd arc on, it's impervious because it's not infiltrating it for the natural rate because you you basically compacted it.
18:04:28 And if you say yes. Mem requirements went through 5. Minimum requirement 2 is to just do construction VMP.
18:04:38 You don't have to do permanent. You just have to do a motion and sediment control.
18:04:40 One through 5 is like, how are you gonna deal with your? You're storm water permanently.
18:04:47 So that's how you do a dry well infiltration trench. A rain garden, a dispersion trench, full dispersion.
18:04:53 And so those are basically things that. It's pretty simple stuff. I love store butter. Can you tell me the box that has a couple of yes, it's going to at the all minimum requirements
apply.
18:05:08 You called an engineered something plan. Yeah, you can call it a large, why you can call it a high on the floor.
18:05:12 It's basically minimum departments. One, you actually have to have engineering cou that explain the. It's basically you have to be an engineer to prepare a plan that explains
like how much stormwater you're gonna generate during a 24Â h.
18:05:37 And so those are, you know, you just hire an engineer. It's easy for us to review those because that and we hand them over to John Fleming.
18:05:44 And he kind of reviews it because he's an engineer and I can't review engineering because I'm an engineer and we go on from there.
18:05:52 So this is pretty much the standard form. The next form is what I wanna talk about is. This is my.
18:06:02 This is my form that I adapted from Collin County, but it's in Jefferson County.
18:06:08 So the first question is, you know, Yeah, more than 2,000 of surface or 7 if you say no you just do construction PMP you don't have to do anything you just have to make sure
that you stabilize the site you don't have erosion and sediment there's like 13 requirements you can just hand them out.
18:06:28 We have a form that you sign. It's really easy. The question. I broke it down and you have more than an acre or less than an acre.
18:06:38 So let's just say you have more than Lakers. So we'll be in this category.
18:06:42 The next question is, does the project have more than 4,500 square feet of new hard surfaces?
18:06:49 And or more than 9,500 amanda survey activity. The one thing I should point out is that You don't count the residential drive play.
18:06:59 And so that's a huge thing. Like if you go to the top of the form. It, it excludes the residential driveway and that's because if you go to the development code, and I think
it's 1830.
18:07:15 Make it oh 60 it's the grading section it says the following activities are exempt from the grading code.
18:07:23 And if you read it, it says a residential driveways exempt. So if you think about it, I could have a thousand foot.
18:07:30 Driveway to my 600 square foot house and that 1,000 foot 10 foot wide it's gonna kick me over the toe and basically I'm doing a large engineer plan even though I have a tiny
house.
18:07:44 And so to avoid that. What we're doing is we have a BMP packet, which is like 5, 11, or 5, 12 that basically says if you have a driveway.
18:07:55 And it's not required, but we're doing it anyway. We're saying if you sheet flow it and you have 5 feet of native vegetation on a crown driveway or 10 feet on the slope driveway
that you meet the 2,019 VMP for driveway dispersion and we don't have to count the driveway.
18:08:13 So then you're just looking at the surf, you know, the structure. And so then a lot a lot of these projects are no longer going to be as big as they are.
18:08:22 And so then we could do a slight project. The slight project is. This sheet is. The soils and it's on our website and it's called Soils for Storm Water.
18:08:36 Green is good. A soils, yellow is be soils. See is.
18:08:42 C-s are like more like clay. These are horrible soils. And so this just tells us, you know, like, you know, if you had these soil, it's probably a wetland.
18:08:57 It's probably, it's so. Smaller play article that you couldn't develop it and it's probably it's got so many issues that the store water requirements get way harder.
18:09:07 And so this is just all I did is I had the GIS take it the soil information we already had on our website.
18:09:15 You know, ABC with D just so be simple. So somebody doing this can just go up to the counter, click on the parcel and see what type of soil it is.
18:09:26 And so if we go to the top of the form. There's some explanation, but. The first thing is very important to me.
18:09:36 I don't care what the thresholds are. You're at a shoreline, a critical area, if you clear like a hundred cubic feet or 100 square feet, you're subject to a stormwater car with
regardless of the threshold.
18:09:48 So that's like the first thing, because if you think about it, you could have a Salmonberry's vet parent stream and I could clear 100 square feet and screw that thing up.
18:09:59 So there is no threshold to PE in a show line or critical area. You're subject to a throwwater permit regardless of the size.
18:10:07 The next thing is You have to give me a site map. The driveway still count and I I have the Dmp's 5 12 and 5 11 with our package.
18:10:17 It says driveways don't count and that's first. 1830060 number 5.
18:10:24 And so that basically says a residential driveways is not subject to upgrading. Oh. This one says storm water determined by DCD and the following preference.
18:10:37 And this is kind of based on the ecology manual. So the first thing is if you can Do you fold this version, which means you have a hundred, or, not to see, 20%.
18:10:51 You know, you're gonna meet the requirements. You don't have to do anything.
18:10:56 All you have to do is disperse the water. You just don't want to have like a fire hydrant shooting at one spot.
18:11:01 You just will have like a dispersion transfer or a swell so that the water will fill out the cheap flow evenly.
18:11:08 So that's pretty cool. These infiltration trenches are good for soils A, B or C.
18:11:19 Maximum length is a hundred. I've worked through this with Don Fleming, our stormwater engineer, all the engineers in the county and the architects, so they all kind of like
this.
18:11:26 Because I, you know, everybody comes, I wanna talk, that's the eighth and inches deep.
18:11:30 And so basically all you would do is you would times the roof area by these factors and it would tell you how much of the dispersion trench so it's very easy.
18:11:40 And you said, well, why do you have crossed out things? Septic people use types.
18:11:49 And so that's just for them to use. If somebody doesn't agree with the, with the, the soil types.
18:11:55 Just show me a soil log, show me a septic site registration. That's way more detailed information than you get on the map.
18:12:02 These naps, this is worst case scenario. If it was CED, I just had to do D just cause I would be safe.
18:12:11 Sure. So they got the map off an aerial survey or something. Basically there's a soil survey on our website that basically has all the soils and they'll describe what each of
the soil types are.
18:12:22 They describe them A, BC, or GI just had a color. It's from the, the soil.
18:12:30 It's, it's the Jefferson County soil survey is from the NRCS or the it's the Jefferson County soil survey is from the NRCS or the conservation districts.
18:12:39 They basically did these aerial maps back over there. And they're not very accurate. They're the best we have.
18:12:49 Bring gardens. Basically, they're pretty easy. And what I like about rain garden is if you think about it.
18:12:58 You get to water, you have.
18:13:02 You pipe it, you have, a gravel area to disperse it. You have a shadow area.
18:13:10 You have bad soil, you scoop up the bad soils, you put A or B soils, which are good sandy gravity, or you could put septic sand.
18:13:18 Basically, it's gonna hold the material. Said is really good because it actually treats store water, better, gravel is more.
18:13:26 Probably better for just holding it. But, route off is considered clean. So you got bird poop besides that any route through front office considered clean.
18:13:38 So it's a lot different. If you had like a a joke yard or something. That's totally different.
18:13:45 That's that's gonna be. Industrial that's gonna be construction, they have oil water separators, you have to have treatment.
18:13:53 We're just talking. And then. These, in cloud, they used to do dry walls all the time.
18:14:04 I'm not a big fan of drywall, King County and stuff. Picture of cover going straight into the ground, you get the volume shoving it down into the ground.
18:14:15 If you have pollution it goes down into the ground. So I basically said I don't want them to be any.
18:14:21 They shouldn't exceed the width of the light. So basically they're just version transient to skate with us options because a lot of people like Cool.
18:14:34 Next slide.
18:14:45 Anybody have any questions on stormwater? I'm just making this stuff up. See, this thing is, this is what they didn't follow.
18:15:00 This is the landscaping ordinance I did that proposed existing uses. We, rated uses as.
18:15:05 Hello, high medium and then we required either a landscape. Strip or a barrier would be a wall and then a vegetated buffer so you could actually reduce the web but still kind
of meet the intent.
18:15:22 If you wanted to have a burn or a wall or something, you basically know those things are going to work.
18:15:26 And so this was kind of cool. And so. We basically used the a commercial industrial.
18:15:36 It's this would be indoor light industrial. This would be highly commercial. So it'd be you'd have bigger buffers Jason rural residential just because you want to make sure
they're compatible.
18:15:47 It makes it easier when you're doing a conditional use if you can basically have some landscaping requirements that are already included.
18:15:54 I think I'm almost done.
18:15:59 This stuff, I think the next page is basically this is the landscape requirements. I just included this section.
18:16:09 It's not that important. But if you go on, vision try and those are kinda cool.
18:16:14 And then if you go, keep going. You can also like average your buffer so if you had a 10 foot strip you could have it 5 and then make it wider in other areas so you could actually
get a tree or something more.
18:16:31 It kind of allows other things. There's stuff about trying to have the 18 inches of protection so you don't have that.
18:16:38 The plan's heated up. This is mostly commercial industrial areas. And let's keep going.
18:16:44 And so then this is, I just want to show you the pictures. This and say. The first one just shows you big trees planted on, I think it's 2025.
18:16:54 It's 20 for that center. And then the next one would be. A barrier and you would have a wall of this one. And so it's a little easier.
18:17:06 You know, need to fight with. And so. We also had street, so if you had like commercial industrial, you have to plant trees every A 10 foot strip and that's just the standard
stuff.
18:17:21 And so, it was pretty cool. This thing is
18:17:27 In, we basically had one acre and 2.4 acre zoning up till 2,009 and then we got challenged by a group and they said you shouldn't have one or 2.
18:17:38 2.4. So what we did is we came up with this little negative conservation district. It's a zone that basically.
18:17:46 It allows in those areas that wanted 2. 2.4 is we actually had this and if you keep going.
18:17:54 It has this infilling option. And if you keep going a little bit more, I think there's a, I blew up the chart.
18:18:02 One page. This page basically says like if you had you could basically like if you had. He's got it up there.
18:18:14 Oops, but thank you. So like If you're less than 4.8, can't do anything if you're 4.8.
18:18:23 You might be able to do the infill development where you basically look at the surrounding development and if it's already been developed in a density of let's say 2.4 you might
be able to do what we did with the GIS program.
18:18:37 If you had 10 or 11, it's, toffle specific, but you can do the infill or you could do the.
18:18:43 The cluster with the cluster developments are a column that she could do, like a 70, 30 split.
18:18:50 So you would have 70% of let's say if you had a 10 acre site. You would have.
18:18:57 Divided by 2.4 gives you the density. You'd get 4, but you would have.
18:19:03 A 7 acre large, you have like 3 acres in which you could put all the development. And so that was.
18:19:10 Kind of cool. Yeah, over 11, you could actually do. Like a cluster development which would be like if you had 20 acres you would do the same thing.
18:19:18 But it was kind of a, it's kind of a nice. Tool that's out there and the other thing that we get in column is like our our 5 district this wouldn't dwell for 5 acres right.
18:19:30 Well, the minimum bot sizes. One acre. So if you had 20 acres. You could do 3 one acres and 17 3 twos and a 14 3 three's and 11.
18:19:43 Your density is what you divide the acreage by so you take 20 divided by 5 you get 4 and then you can decide what size parcels you want.
18:19:50 So it basically like let's just say I'm out in West Valley and I have a 20 acre parcel I got 3 acres of flat area.
18:19:58 I could basically put all my development in like 3 acres of it. And then keep the other 17 for add or.
18:20:04 Or forestry or open space. So it's kind of you still meet the attend. I would say that someone wanting to develop the property would like that because they don't have to build
as many roads, they'll have to extend as much utilities.
18:20:19 And I was, you know, buying a 17 acre, maybe I can make my farm work on 17 acres.
18:20:26 If I got 4 fives. No, we could farm 5. I mean, I came from I worked in Yakima County.
18:20:32 And you know nobody's gonna save 5 acres good. Cool. Bye. I think that's all I have.
18:20:43 Okay. This was something I developed with the conservation district. They do this and Basically, we looked at app and forestry and I mean, Streams of wetlands.
18:20:59 So that was all the areas we were looking at and you had existing agriculture. So this is agriculture that's been going on since 92.
18:21:06 It's in the taxing program. It's horrible. It's like right up to the edge of the street.
18:21:11 So you don't have it, you don't have it right, carrying buffer. And so if this is just saying like you got less than 35 feet above vegetated buffer, you gotta get the moderate.
18:21:21 And so all this was, you asked 6 questions about Streams. And it was like, no, are you?
18:21:27 Post to stranger wetlands. I also included like a You, irrigation ditches and, and ponds just because if they are connected to the stream.
18:21:38 You don't want them to get polluted because then you could basically, you know, impact the stream.
18:21:44 Quality too. It also talks about manure management. So you want to keep your manure at least a hundred feet away from strings or wetlands.
18:21:51 And they can work for the conservation district. They also have heavy use areas, heavy use areas for just like areas of what you put all your cows and your horses or something
during winter time.
18:22:03 She just beat that area up. So you want to keep that away from your streams of weapons. And so what was cool about this was I'm writing this for this.
18:22:11 We have a public workshop in the conservation since the first thing we do when we have a farmers we fill out a form like this.
18:22:20 So I'm like, what to be cool? I put that in my ordinance in that I could just pass off this more but say, hey, if you don't meet these 6 requirements, you're either going to
do a farm plan.
18:22:30 With the conservation or you need to get there. And the green one is basically not it's optional.
18:22:37 They just tell people this is that this is the Cadillac. You don't have to get there, but this is where we would like you to get.
18:22:44 Yes, so that's all I got. Thank you. Any questions?
18:22:52 That's nice. Thanks. I have a zillion questions, but I don't wanna take up a whole bunch of time.
18:23:03 Kinds of ideas with clustering and Low impact, for a while, still figuring out. Exactly what to do.
18:23:12 Yeah, Taking time for it. You know, you have 5 acre owning and clustering is probably not gonna help a lot.
18:23:27 In columns sometimes they give you a density. Lotus density like in the RCC 3. You can get down to 1 point per 2.4.
18:23:35 I'm not sure why they do that or why it's allowed. It's just you're allowed to do anything and tell you.
18:23:41 You get challenged in the NC district. Was passed in 2,010 and you know we were challenged by a future wise or something like that we came up with that code.
18:23:51 And it didn't get challenged and so it could be an option. Well, we're working on some stuff that's a little bit tangent to a little bit new and definitely uniquely Jefferson.
18:24:04 Well, it's basically I think what you're talking about is different. Uses where, you know, a dwelling is a kitchen bathroom and living area.
18:24:10 We don't have all 3 components. You're not that. So I mean, that happens before and that they don't have all 3 components.
18:24:18 They're not a dwelling. So basically. That's a zoning issue and then we could do that through that process.
18:24:27 That's kind of stuff that we're just figuring out exactly what we can do and what we should do.
18:24:28 But you know, really trying to. Put some policy to what people have been asking about for. About a decade now.
18:24:37 Well, and you know, like.
18:24:40 I don't wanna say hit count, but. Diff camps are very popular. Apollo County and they drive it crazy and all these people wanting to camp on their property.
18:24:51 And just provide like a porta potty. Is something that I'm sure it's happening in the county.
18:24:58 But it's a use that. You know, I think our environmental health wants you to have a bathroom facility right now.
18:25:06 And so that's gonna discourage those uses. But it'd be like, pad doors box if you start.
18:25:13 Allowing people to basically have primitive camping. And, then everybody's gonna say, well, I'm just gonna love it.
18:25:21 Lease out some of my area or have people there and the neighbors don't seem to like it. So it's something that I don't even like that she didn't get.
18:25:35 It's if you read about a line everybody has them and you see what there's hundreds and.
18:25:38 Kevin. It looks like it. Go ahead and comment.
18:25:43 Yeah, I was just curious, if that rural neighborhood conservation district in the dwelling unit count for Klein.
18:25:52 Did they have A to use? So was it like An ADU and a dwelling would be considered 2 and that's 2.4 scenario or were you allowed an ADU inside of that?
18:26:04 Dwelling.
18:26:04 Yeah, we didn't count 80 use as part of the dwelling unit account. And so you were allowed in column, 80 user a little bit stricter.
18:26:16 It's, at the size of the main house up to 1250 where we just allow the 2 1,250 square foot structures.
18:26:24 They both could, you know, why one is the main, the one CEDU is kind of.
18:26:28 Okay, I think any way of promoting. Housing and you know like I think if you could have 2 1,250 square foot that probably more chance if they're going to be affordable, but
if in cloud, but you have to have like 2,500 square foot house before you can get a 12 and 50.
18:26:49 And then people would have to build bigger houses.
18:26:52 Okay.
18:26:51 Thank you.
18:26:55 Any other questions?
18:27:00 George, are you up now? Yes, sir. Thank you, Mr. Chair. My name is George Carey.
18:27:07 I am an assistant planner with DCD and I'm also the lead planner on our site development review or SDR.
18:27:15 Programs and I'm really happy to be here to speak to you tonight. I appreciate your time and attention.
18:27:23 Thank you. And it pleases the chair. I would like to keep this pretty organic. In other words, I'm really interested in hearing your thoughts and responding to your questions.
18:27:31 So please do not hesitate, feel free to interrupt me. Josh Peterson, I have been very excited and working hard on preparing to report kind of a status report on this overall.
18:27:41 Project and we submitted that to the county administrator and it just now gone on to the board. I've been informed that I will have an opportunity to kind of make a version
of the report I'm making to you tonight next Monday to the border county commissioners.
18:27:55 So I appreciate this opportunity to prepare a little bit. So thank you for that. So I will be reading from this report a little bit.
18:28:03 I will be pausing frequently to elaborate on a few of these points and I will be pausing frequently to elaborate on a few of these points and I encourage you to interrupt me
at any time, please.
18:28:14 About right now. If you refresh or I'll begin with a little background on the project in general and site development review or SDR.
18:28:21 In conjunction with the expiration of a year long development moratorium. Jefferson County adopted an ordinance on October third of 2,022.
18:28:28 Which established a new site development review or SDR program that includes a legal lot of record or LLO bar determination.
18:28:37 An SDR is a type one permit in our unified development code. And a prerequisite to apply for development permits such as septic or building permit.
18:28:47 For a variety of reasons, a substantial queue of SDR applications formed within weeks. That is remained challenging ever since for applicants in DCD staff alike.
18:28:58 So following a series of events in late 2022 and the first half of 23, including a planned transition from one permit database to another.
18:29:09 Significant staff turnover at DCD and a departmental reorganization. Jefferson County contracted with the Atwell Group, an outside consulting plan firm on August, the 20 eighth
of 2,023.
18:29:23 For development review services that would supplement DCDs in house capacity. The initial emphasis of the Atwell scope of work has been exclusively on the SDR application backlog.
18:29:36 So there's a little bit of background. And that's where the SDR program, which is the overall.
18:29:42 County program and then the SDR project is represented by this now 4 month old September October November, December of 2,023 relationship with this outside consulting firm.
18:29:56 That's the SDR project. That relationship with the contractor. And then the overall SDR program.
18:30:03 Would be these 2 animals that I'll be referring to. Are there any questions about that?
18:30:10 Background of the site development review. The SDRs are required before you do any land disturbing activity or you do any.
18:30:21 The individual or anything so you can't do anything on your property until STR is done.
18:30:26 So it's a big backlog. You have people who. Is this developable? I wanna do a septic.
18:30:34 I wanna do this. They have to do an SDR. And it's a new process.
18:30:39 So moving on to sort of our current status and where we are. So based on what has been accomplished to date and what we anticipate being an account being accomplished in the
coming months.
18:30:49 The current estimate for eliminating the SDR backlog is the end of the first quarter of this year.
18:30:56 And. I'm very optimistic that we will arrive at the elimination of the SDR backlog that I will more clearly define in a moment before the end of the first quarter.
18:31:08 In this context, a working definition of eliminate the SDR backlog could be that that is a state in which a consistent review timeline can be maintained for future applicants.
18:31:23 I think that's important to note. There are various way points in this project. That could qualify as eliminating the SDR backlog.
18:31:33 It's important to Josh and I that we really defined that. What does that mean? Would we make that claim that, Hey, we're out of that that dark forest and that would be.
18:31:43 Consistent review timeline can be maintained for future applicants. And frankly, we're about there because DCD and at will, well, we are currently reviewing SDRs that were applied
for in October and November of this year.
18:31:59 Greatly shrinking what has been up until very recently anywhere from a 4 to 6 month review timeline. Can't take what a welcome change that is and how delighted I am to share
that information.
18:32:14 You see. I can see your delight. Now, process improvement, something I'm also really excited to speak to.
18:32:24 And so now I'm going to list out some measures that. We at DCD has or intends to put into place to help prevent future SDR.
18:32:32 Are. Backlogs and to improve our review process. Efficiency and create greater transparency.
18:32:42 Some of those measures that we have either already or intend to will be the institution of a formal implementation policy that establishes a streamlined standard operating procedure
for staff reviews of SDRs including that legal lot of record determination.
18:33:00 Greg, I'd like to encourage you to chime in on any of these. Specific bullet points that I'm offering.
18:33:07 Partial over the counter review at time of application submission. So we're thinking there that we have an opportunity having overcome the backlog to do a more real time assessment
right there at time of application submission to determine the proposed development.
18:33:28 And that brings us to another improvement. Measure, which was considering, can we have various types of SDR?
18:33:35 Based on the level of review. The existing development and proposed development, for example, is this a purely speculative SDR or do we have a really fully fleshed out development
proposal here and then that could dictate the level of scrutiny that the SDR.
18:33:57 Could consist of. In other words, I'm trying to speak to the unique nature of this project and these SDRs in that no 2 parcels are the same.
18:34:08 And so we're trying to think about ways to overcome that challenge. While satisfying our
18:34:17 Coded needs and reducing the burdens to applicants. Is central to what we're doing.
18:34:25 We have grown our DCD review capacity by more staff people and as we improve our systems of doing this.
18:34:36 Further to that we haven't, we have increased and maintained our institutional knowledge and experience.
18:34:41 This is no longer a brand new animal that we're trying to wrangle and we're grateful for that.
18:34:48 Yes, please. To the point you were just making about the potential for different products. Have you flush that out yet.
18:34:59 Okay. So if I was gonna make about the potential for different products, have you flush that out yet?
18:35:03 Okay. So if I was gonna, if I was going to buy a 10 acre park, have you flush that out yet?
18:35:08 Okay, so if I was gonna, if I, if I was gonna buy a 10 acre park parcel generally know what I might be able to do on that property before I plunk down my down payment.
18:35:16 Could I, is there a product for me where I can walk in in a pretty short time frame and get something on paper that is documented and We as a county are accountable to that
would tell me.
18:35:30 The basics. I don't have a plan. I don't know. I'm more thinking what can I do on this property not can I do this.
18:35:36 Understood and I appreciate the question. It allows me to address a couple of points. Yes, one idea we have is that As of right now, the site development review consists of
3 components, really.
18:35:50 It is a buildability analysis, a legal lot of record determination, which is a notice to title. And in a potential development envelope.
18:36:00 Right now, an applicant cannot access those ala carte. So that's one thing that we're feeling pretty excited about.
18:36:10 It would create more flexibility for us to do exactly that. Instead of just having a one size fits all approach, it's proving.
18:36:19 To be more challenging and. Perhaps most importantly, providing less value to the applicant. Which is very important to us.
18:36:28 And it's been something that from the project standpoint, the relationship with the Atwell group that we have been really focused on is growing the value of the documents themselves
while making it easier to attain those documents.
18:36:46 And it's a to balance the act, but one that has been rewarding. To attempt for sure and we're feeling good about it.
18:36:53 So further to your question, yes, we might have the opportunity to speak with you. What are you proposing?
18:37:00 How can we meet? What are your needs and how can we meet those? You may not need a potential development envelope.
18:37:06 So let's not provide one. Let's not charge you for it. It sounds like in this scenario, for example, you might only need a critical areas assessment.
18:37:14 Is there a glaring problem on this parcel that is going to prevent me from doing what I would like to do.
18:37:19 Yes or anything. Or anything at all. What's the red flags here that I would like to be aware of before I purchase this.
18:37:27 That's a great example of something we might call a speculative and so we're thinking about it in tiers almost and maybe a 3 tier where with the most not tier.
18:37:39 No Ti PR. Thank you. That's for the previous process. As we think about like the highest level of scrutiny, the most thorough in depth.
18:37:55 Analysis that we can possibly undertake and then working down from there to where we aren't. Unnecessarily.
18:38:05 Over reviewing something that might create A log jam? Well, I just know that we have a long, long history of holding people up at decision point.
18:38:19 And one decision point is, If I'm about to invest in a piece of property. I may not know exactly what I want to do.
18:38:28 I made some general ideas, but I need to know whether this is the right property that I could do anything.
18:38:32 Can I do a set of things? Oh, I can't do a set. I can do nothing on this property or I could do just a few things.
18:38:39 Okay, got it. I'm not gonna move forward on this property. I'm going to go to a different property.
18:38:44 That's a decision point that I need to be able to access pretty quickly and then if I do decide to make decisions based on whatever that process is, that needs to be an accountable
process so that when I go back 4 years later I buy the property based on whatever experience I've had and I go I then go and submit a plan that fits what I was told the sort of possibilities
are and person B or C says, I
18:39:14 don't know who told you that. What are you doing here? There's no way you can do that on our company.
18:39:19 These I've these stories I've been hearing 4 decades and it's heartbreaking because those those important decisions when somebody's trying to be responsible about making the
right choice in moving forward or not on property needs some accountability and needs quick information.
18:39:38 And I think you've hit upon. Exactly what the SDR was originally conceived. And interestingly, it's had the opposite effect and no longer I think we're gonna get to this really
effective spot where we are providing that service.
18:40:01 The reason that we've struggled there is that lengthy review time. We're not much help to you if we can't get you that information until 6 or 8 months from now.
18:40:11 Well, and if I don't have a plan, I'm not coming to you at the play and I'm coming to you with a piece of property.
18:40:16 I just need to know. Am I even pointing in the right direction and you said to me, well, you can't.
18:40:21 Get you can't go through SDR review until you have plans for us. Well, I don't even know if I'm invite this property yet.
18:40:29 Well, the The spec one is like, hey, is this buildable, Those ones low priority. We're not doing those right now.
18:40:41 We're doing people if you have a house or a septic permit, we're prioritizing those.
18:40:44 So if you came in there and ask me, is this property buildable your last on my line? Because I want him to build.
18:40:51 I want him to build. I want someone to move into a house. That's, you know, I'm gonna disappoint people with this SDR process.
18:40:57 So I'm gonna disappoint people that at least you know, they don't have plans, they're kind of looking loose, you know, you can't make everybody happy, but.
18:41:06 You know, the next thing is a limited SDR. And to me, a limited SDR is.
18:41:11 I already have a house. I want a garage. You know, I know what I'm doing.
18:41:17 We're just gonna review it for it's a consistency review. Does it comply with your codes?
18:41:22 You know, it doesn't need a LOAR because you already have a house. You already have a septic.
18:41:27 It's not required. A full SDR is a spad. In my opinion and as bad when I was here is you could take it to the bank who was good for 5 years.
18:41:38 You know what it SDR is best year for? Absolutely nothing. You, you wanna only vest share this county?
18:41:46 A building permit or a land application. So I can issue a view at SDR that says these are the rules.
18:41:51 Tomorrow you guys pass new regulations and all of a sudden the SCR is worth the paper. It's written on the fourth, the first, that even though leave a lot of record that's on
the note to title is not worth anything.
18:42:06 The legal out of record is basically our attempt to try to get Lots that predate, let's say, 1969 to try to get into compliance with the zoning.
18:42:16 The 5 acre zone. And so that's the way I see that one is basically is the legal out of record.
18:42:24 90% of it is mostly, is the legal out of record, 90% of it is, mostly what we spend our time doing is saying you got 2 lots that don't equal 5 acres.
18:42:31 They were created before 69. We're going to make you combine them. So it's been a lot of paying for people because they start with 2 parcels.
18:42:39 They end with one parcel because we're trying to get the 5 acre zone. And that was a choice that everybody made.
18:42:46 And we're not going exactly away from how you guys are trying to get more houses and more density.
18:42:53 You're, he's combining lots. Every time because it's basically it doesn't meet the underlying zoning district.
18:43:02 You own 2 adjacent parcels. They're created for 1969. My question was different.
18:43:06 So if I go through the FDR process. That first step of determining whether this parcel is a legal lot of record and the note goes to title.
18:43:16 You said none of that process is held over but I don't think that you mean that. It's got a hand up.
18:43:26 Thank you. So One of the things it's going to come up very quickly and has already come up several times is how the relatives are needing to have some kind of buyer security.
18:43:36 And I'm all for, you know, getting more building permits out there and all the rest of that.
18:43:40 But as I, as I've always read this SDR, it's no different than a feasibility on any parcel to understand that water, sewer, and access are all available for, certainly you gotta
check your critical areas and all the rest.
18:43:57 I'm curious if, when we get to that point where You say by the end of this first quarter Are we able to let at well be phased out?
18:44:08 Everything's handled in-house and can we get to that point where we used to be in a cam.
18:44:14 I would sit down, we'd go through critical areas and all the other issues in 15 or 20Â min and would know with reasonable certainty that something was the buildable.
18:44:27 Are we going to get back to that point?
18:44:28 The thing I'd like to say about cams and pre apps or they're not binding.
18:44:35 The SDR is not binding. I don't like to do anything that's not binding.
18:44:39 So everything I do wants to be binding right on the cam it says what we tell you is not binding.
18:44:46 If you do a preact with me, you know what it says? It's not fighting. You know what I don't like to do?
18:44:52 I don't like to tell you something that isn't true. If I send you an email, it's biting.
18:44:57 If we go through our pre app or a or an SDR and I say there's a 75 foot stream buffer for that type 5 stream and if you don't submit a building permit and you guys change the
critical area code and make it a hundred for buffer, you don't have to require a hundred foot buffer because you don't get vested under the SDR.
18:45:18 So it's basically. That drives me crazy. The first 4 sentences of his SDRs is none of this is binding any all of this can change.
18:45:28 And I'm like, I only want to read it after those first 4. Notifications.
18:45:30 Yeah, I mean. Yeah, and one of the first things in this whole process that has been a bit, troublesome is saying.
18:45:39 You know, that build ability doesn't mean you can build. And I get it even my clients get it when say a realtor says Kevin this person's looking at a partial land let's take
a look at it the old days I'd set up that cam and we review the process and yeah we qualify it you know as of today we identified these critical areas with that there were no critical
areas you're in this
18:46:02 zone you've got you know plenty of land available for septic you've got PUD water and powering or whatever the criteria are that all of the record all of the required elements
of being able to build are there.
18:46:16 Then you can tell the clients, hey, as of right now, this is a build a lot that could be built on, you know, through these provisions and nothing was found to keep it from happening.
18:46:25 And so then they can move forward with the sale of the property and the realtors are happy the buyers are happy.
18:46:31 Or they're told, hey. This one isn't gonna meet necessary, land area for a 2 bedroom septic and therefore it's just not gonna work.
18:46:39 Soils are bad, whatever. You're on a cliff. I'm just curious if we're gonna get back to that point where understanding, you know, It's interesting.
18:46:51 I've had people come in to DCD and they say, Kevin, I ask him, hey, if I follow all the rules, can I build?
18:46:56 And the answer is I don't know, maybe. I get the whole idea that you guys aren't gonna, you know, sign off on something because you know we all know that codes change.
18:47:06 But even at a given point, it would be nice to know. That within a reasonable amount of time.
18:47:14 And I don't know if that's after this first quarter will be there or we're never going to get there again.
18:47:19 So buyers coming to our community are going to be told, hey, this This seller hasn't applied for an SDR yet.
18:47:28 In the best case scenario, I'm telling anybody who's selling property, apply for your SDR.
18:47:33 Get it in there, get it done, the LR, so that when you sell it, you've got that assurances already.
18:47:37 It's just most people aren't quite there getting ahead of that ball. And I'm wondering if they're still away.
18:47:43 To get to DCD and say, hey, I've got PUD. Water, there's an existing well with a log.
18:47:51 So, you know, all of the other things or whatever the situation is, gets close to that answer that yes, everything shows up as a go for your building application.
18:48:04 Yeah, go ahead. So, how do we get the SVR process changed to where it is finding forward?
18:48:11 Excellent. Like, like this bad ones. That's something that. That's what you want, Kevin, right?
18:48:20 That's what I want. I want you to give me the geotechn. I want you to give me the web report.
18:48:24 I want to say take this to the bank. You gave me with a spad and I did spads.
18:48:30 You'd give me This is where I square I want to put my development in here. Here's the webinar port. Here's the shoreline.
18:48:36 Here's the forestry. You give me all that stuff and I vested you for 5 years.
18:48:41 It was awesome process. I love that process. We were doing that during the SNP because people wanted best under that and you could take that to the bank.
18:48:49 I like that process just because they gave me information. What I tell people is if you give me detailed information, I give you detailed responses.
18:48:58 If you give me a vague question, I give you a vague response. And so My thing is, Kevin wants to have a, I'm not doing cams or pre apps now because I don't have the staff to
do it.
18:49:09 You know what I have you do? I have you called David Johnson. He's my best planner.
18:49:14 He's been here for 20 years. He goes straight to David. David will either answer call you up, they'll give you an email.
18:49:22 He'll schedule a with him or me and you get the best people on this because we'd want to give you guys assurance since we want to tell you that we're going to give you the best
people who know this stuff.
18:49:36 To be able to tell you whether it's buildable or not. And so I don't do anything except try to make people happy and to meet with people and to basically try to to get the process
so it's smooth and so I meet with people 3 or 4 times a week just to try to get you know, so how do we change process to get it corresponding for our excellent time?
18:49:57 Or why in the in the SDR process will not set up that way? Does anybody know? I think it's just that Washington state loss is the only thing that vest you is a building permit
or a.
18:50:11 Or a, that division. And so it would be. I'm not sure like the binding site plan like when I do a land division you say invest you for 5 years.
18:50:24 If it could be more similar to that type of process but you know to me the whole idea is if You know, you just wanna give people certainty and.
18:50:36 I don't like to spend he spends a lot of time on these these SDRs and legal lots of record and if they're not accurate and if they talk about bebops and dead that you know what
I do I have Andy fix the money when he gets the development permit and so you've spent all this time on this SDR.
18:50:53 And it's done by this out of town consultant firm that doesn't know our code that well.
18:50:59 And we have to basically fix it when you bring in the building or the septic permit. And then people go, why want you to mend this the SDR and I'm like George is busy we don't
have time to fix the SDR.
18:51:09 We'll fix it up with the building in that septic. But somebody who's been waiting 6 months for an STR, you know what they want?
18:51:15 They want a good SDR. They want to reflect all the reports. And so it's kind of this You know, like I constantly tell a George, I want a more detailed SDR.
18:51:25 I want you to PIN it down. I, you know, his, his template has all the requirements and his template gets better after each STR and it's basically you know we have led way you
can't develop the plane you have to meet that buyout you have to you know elevation we have a more detailed so every every time we do and we make them better and so that's kind of what
we did when
18:51:47 we were doing consistency review but now we We do it with the SDR and then with the building permit I don't have to enter a thousand conditions because George has already done
that for me with his STR.
18:52:01 So I like the SDR. You know what I do at Palm County? I had to look at a road approach.
18:52:05 Isn't it a well? It does. Hey, I want to do a site registration. I have to look at it again.
18:52:11 Hey, you want a building, I had to look at again. You know how many times I touched one parcel?
18:52:14 It was, it was horrible with the STR. The one good thing is once you're in the development area, you've got it.
18:52:22 You don't have to think about it a lot more.
18:52:27 Basically, you've already looked at all the issues and if you're within the, oh, I totally agree with that.
18:52:33 I mean, I just wish there was a way that there was, so that you that it did get people with some kind of reassurance and I don't know how, I mean, when was, do you, does anybody
know when the last bad was actually ever issue?
18:52:47 2,016. So there, so there's, none that are, and everything is now lapsed.
18:52:57 We have a 2020 that we just issued with those took a long time. Okay, yeah, cause that was what it, they've all lapsed.
18:53:02 I thought we wrote spans out of the code.
18:53:05 We did in 2,016. I'm just saying I just recently saw one that was That's it and they submitted and we finally finished it and so it's at 2020 and they're in place the problem
with spans, they go on and on and on, then at 5 years becomes 15 years.
18:53:23 And you know what I also like? I don't like the binding advanced determination because you don't know binding advance to termination is.
18:53:34 Yeah.
18:53:31 It's not binding so let's not put it in in the in the title because we had binding advance and terminations in 94.
18:53:37 And that they're like, our credit player is changed. You're subject to the current requirements.
18:53:43 This doesn't best you for anything just because it says it's binding and it's not binding.
18:53:47 And so we're like, just, you know, it's like a horrible name. So never put that one of those accountability problems, right?
18:53:55 You know, it's like I can report a short plot. I can put the buffers on there and the second that the regs change.
18:54:15 I say after 5 years I'm applying the new, standards.
18:54:18 And I'm less concerned about the surety or guarantee. Then I am about the speed at which we can get these to people to understand that, you know, they have all of the available
resources and zoning and code.
18:54:33 To build on this property, you know, basically today. And then, you know, letting people know, you know, in the fine print, if you don't do it for 6 months or a year and code
changes in that time, then you know, bets are off but being able to get a quick return realtors, you know.
18:54:50 30 days. Gotta know in 30 days if it's something that I can build on because all of the proper infrastructure and zoning is there.
18:54:59 And And if you guys, what I'm curious about again, when we get to the end of this first quarter, are we gonna be there?
18:55:05 Can I submit an SDR and get some kind of complete understanding of it within 3 weeks. You know, for is kicking me those realtors buying.
18:55:15 Property out if an SDR isn't already complete. Some cases, hopefully it already is.
18:55:20 Fund, you know, I would say that George has done a great job on the SDRs.
18:55:27 We have these consistency reviews. We have SDR checklists. We have it so you can almost like go through it and go through the legal lot of record or go through all the requirements
and it's getting a lot easier because he said such a good job of owning the SDRs and putting all the requirements so that we can come up with that boy or plate language that will help
anybody wants to buy a property
18:55:51 though that have. You know, if If you're the. If you're in a wetland, you know.
18:56:00 It says you have a 300 foot buffer that we say, hey, but if you give us a web and report, depending on the the, and might go down to 75 feet.
18:56:12 So it's like you tell people the worst case analysis and say if you tell people the worst case analysis and say if you want more detailed information, and say if you want more
detailed information, give it to us and we'll give you a more detailed.
18:56:18 Yeah, and folks know, you know, hey, if it's in a Gologically sensitive area, I need a geologist report and the rest.
18:56:24 But again, back to my question. Is the county gonna be able to get to a point where we aren't paying outside consultants.
18:56:31 You know, at well is no longer needed because we're processing them. And can we get that process?
18:56:37 To be done in a couple weeks versus. Couple of months. I'm just I'm asking is that that's my goal.
18:56:45 I'm curious if that's our goal.
18:56:46 Oh, what we're gonna do is I'm trying to cut George out of the SDR process and if you submit a like a garage with your house, it goes straight to Andy.
18:56:58 We don't even mess with George and that though. So that's one of those limited SDRs, cause every time I get to George and that, well, it costs me money.
18:57:06 Whereas if I do Andy, he's basically on staff and he's already reviewing the stormwater that this and eventually I want to get to be where if you give me a building permit and
an SDR.
18:57:17 We review both at the same time. Is it so much easier to review something if I have I know where the houses I know where the driveway is. I know this.
18:57:27 I'm not just giving you this big square. So and I've told George I want to review both at the same time so in you know next quarter when we're done.
18:57:35 I'm going to be reviewing both at the same time. It's gonna you're gonna get a SDR in the building permit review concurrently.
18:57:42 He's gonna give you, we're gonna get a spec one where if you say is a buildable, we're gonna tell you the requirements.
18:57:48 Within that 3 weeks that you need, it's not that hard to do.
18:57:52 If we can get it within that 3 weeks, because no, no client I have is gonna submit an SDR with a building permit.
18:58:00 I mean, that's that's full design, engineering, all the reports, everything done and then have them come in and say the SDR isn't going to work for you.
18:58:08 That, I just, I mean, unless it's obviously a part to Atlanta, can be built on.
18:58:14 So.
18:58:15 Right, but if you see, if you gave me a building permit and the SDR. You can take that to the bank.
18:58:23 That's defendable because you can best with your building permit. Whatever I tell you is not going to change.
18:58:29 Right.
18:58:30 So that's the only advantage to that. No, I mean, once the building permits, so basically if you give me a building in the septic, I mean the SDR, your best.
18:58:47 And so whatever I tell you is we don't have to put in the septic, I mean the SDR, your best.
18:58:49 And so whatever I tell you is, we don't have to
18:58:50 Right, it's and that's further down the road than a lot of the initial projects where people are looking at land and a lot of the initial projects where people are looking at
land and looking at a building.
18:58:58 They're not going to Do all of the design documents. Prior to getting an SDR response.
18:59:07 Or some kind of response that Hey, looks like this is buildable. Just gotta check these boxes. Make sure you got these reports and then bring me in the building plans. Okay,
that's great.
18:59:17 That's thousands of dollars down the road. From when they're initially looking at the property and thinking about building and want to know about, hey, is it buildable?
18:59:25 And that's where the SDR comes in. But of course, buildable doesn't mean you can build on it.
18:59:29 Right. And I would envision that when we're out of the hole, we could start having.
18:59:35 A camera meeting where we actually maybe fill out an SDR or basically tell you those requirements. At that stage.
18:59:45 And the, I'm not gonna guarantee you, Right there at the sitting, but at least we'll be able to say we can get that out of the, you know, within your 3.
18:59:54 I'll let, let it go with this and I think you guys are doing a great bang up job.
19:00:00 You're speeding things up. You know, I'm impressed. I'm just also thinking long term.
19:00:05 Let's get to that goal and see if we can get there. But you guys are doing a great job and I appreciate it.
19:00:08 Thanks.
19:00:11 Any other comment your questions?
19:00:16 Well, thank you for the presentation. That's really a very Useful. And, I guess we'll move on.
19:00:26 You, you, yeah, that I think we have plenty of time you're going through this. Yeah.
19:00:36 Thank you. So I'm going to do in our agenda item number 9. 2025.
19:00:45 Is to update you on. The comprehensive plan update grants that we're working with. Item A and public participation item B.
19:00:56 And then, finish up talking about our. Planning commission retreat and the joint workshop with the Horde County Commissioners.
19:01:05 So. I was just sitting here thinking he might be helpful. Just to.
19:01:12 Kind of. As we're switching gears between our unified development code. And back to comprehensive planning.
19:01:22 I just wanted to mention I went through today, every. Meeting that we had in 2023 and was making some summaries for our Planning Commission community development report, which
will get into more detail in a minute.
19:01:39 We had about 5 public hearings. I think there must have been a 6 one. Well that was late 2022.
19:01:46 We had a hearing on Miles Sandy. Gravel. Which then merged together with the 2023 cycle.
19:01:53 But, we had 5 hearings. We addressed the 2023 comprehensive plan amendment cycle. With 3 red zones.
19:02:03 And worked extensively on the housing items. As a suggested amendment from the planning commission.
19:02:11 We went through Shoreline Master Program, Periods Review. Through the planning commission was still getting finished stuff.
19:02:20 And also I almost forgot that we had worked on a temporary housing ordinance for people experiencing homelessness.
19:02:29 And, so that was, that was a lot of great work. And so I thought might be helpful if.
19:02:37 And as I'm reporting comments about 4Â h. Thinking about writing the cover letter for our annual.
19:02:50 With that work that you've done in mind. And they, my goal in asking that question. Is to, bring forward to the Board of County Commissioners.
19:03:03 Some of the inspired work that you did on the planning commission. And. So we can bring forward some of that.
19:03:14 Excitement. To our cover letter to the the annual report.
19:03:20 Would you be willing to share some thoughts? About 2023 and retrospect. Good much easier after renewing your summary.
19:03:32 Okay, Okay. And, so I'll, provide that summary and, some of the stats that might be relevant.
19:03:44 I counted the number of meetings we held we would met 17 times. We cancelled 7 meetings. And we had 2 special meetings.
19:03:54 During that time. A lot of joint workshop with the board. You also met directly with the city's planning mission.
19:04:05 On the temporary office. Ordinance. So I'll summarize those and get them back out to you.
19:04:13 And then what I'm looking for is feedback on kind of where are the highlights. And more importantly, or in additionally I should say.
19:04:24 We're going to be talking to the Board of County Commissioners about planning commission priorities. Work plan priorities and such.
19:04:35 So. It you could send to me. You were and highlights of 2023 that we can incorporate into this.
19:04:44 Document. As well as any outstanding priorities that we have not already talked about. And I'll review what we talked about in December.
19:04:54 Refresh your memories. But,
19:05:00 That would be important. So, just some. Run down on our comprehensive planning grants. We're currently working with commerce, starting commerce on our planning update grant.
19:05:15 That we got through commerce. We were making some changes to scheduling and scope of work to fit in with 2 other grants that we have a achieved middle housing grant and the
climate resilience of.
19:05:30 Our commerce planning grant as I discussed with you before. Is $300,000 over 2 years. And the rules of this grant or that we have to spend.
19:05:42 $175,000 each year that can't carry anything over. So the trick is to balance our.
19:05:51 Scope of work or workload so that we can effectively spend that money and then have, reinstatement of another $175, $175,000 brand for fiscal year 2,025.
19:06:05 And remember that. Year, 2024. We are in now. It started.
19:06:14 July first of 2023. So what we have to spend. Of the boards we have to spend on this commerce mining grant.
19:06:25 Is our 2024 annual amendment cycle. So we're about to embark on that. Again.
19:06:31 And.
19:06:36 We were going to be bringing forward date. Housing suggested amendment from 2023 And. This is, we're coming this January, our deadline is March first for.
19:06:51 Accepting applications for site specific and suggested. So let's keep that in mind. How this works out for them.
19:07:01 Just a year, 2024 in our amendment site. So this is the time to talk about suggested amendments.
19:07:11 We have this middle housing grant. We got $50,000. And the scope of the middle housing grant is to look in particular at the urban growth area.
19:07:21 For Hadlock, Iiredale, urban growth area. And to review our code standards. And to make any amendments that Can you go, lower barriers to housing?
19:07:35 As we have the sewer coming online. And. Make sure that we're kind of.
19:07:43 Making the wisest use of the land there with the densities we can achieve with the sewage.
19:07:49 So. Also it's middle housing grants. So we're looking at housing that is, more dense than accessory dwelling units.
19:08:02 But less dense than multi-story apartment complex. We're looking at townhomes, multiplexes, and developments like that and how that fits into the urban growth area with.
19:08:14 Waste water facility. One of the projects that is our flagship, I suppose you call it, is the 17 acre property that for humanity.
19:08:26 Is planning to develop. So that'll be about 200. Units. Portable housing.
19:08:33 So, He's the kinds of things we'll be considering with this middle-. So identified.
19:08:38 Any barriers and what we can do to make the best use of that. Then with the climate resiliency grant.
19:08:46 We were awarded $300,000. How are we gonna spend $300,000 in But the way this rules go is that we can carry this over.
19:09:00 And it may not even, to probably even extend it through the end of 2025. Whereas the other grants expired.
19:09:10 July 30 first or July thirtieth of 2025 that's our due date for the top client comprehensive plan periodic company.
19:09:18 So we've got. I was trying to think of an analogy for you tonight, but we've got 3 different grants.
19:09:25 We've got 3 different grant rules or ways to work with these brands. And we want to be able to organize our work plan so that we can be efficiently spending on these grants
and not lead a lot of money on the table.
19:09:42 So that's what I'm working on now. Some of the first out items that we're looking at with the planning update grant.
19:09:51 Is a public participation and tribal outreach strategy. So, that's item B on our agenda.
19:09:59 And I move to that now. Oh, yes, that's the question. First, it's, it's.
19:10:06 Since one of the topics and then you in the new comp plan. It addresses pound resiliency.
19:10:14 In this money be used, it is part of the process for the update. You can't plan and be good. Yes.
19:10:20 So we have some money budgeted from the planning update grant or kind of doing a gap analysis.
19:10:27 Or identifying infrastructure or sensitive areas. But we have. This other grant that can fill in more for more extensive climate resiliency element in the comprehensive plan.
19:10:40 I'm glad you asked that. So I was going to mention some other things too that that climate resiliency and fund.
19:10:48 We just learned that. That money can be used to partially fund a coordinated water system plan update.
19:10:56 Okay, we've got a coordinated water system plan. That is planning among all the water purveyors in the county.
19:11:02 And how their service areas. Fit in with our land zoning and densities. And what future water service needs.
19:11:13 Entail. So it's related enough to climate resiliency that we can use some money for that.
19:11:22 And perhaps, some other items. Okay. So we're getting created and be spreading.
19:11:34 These grant funds are round too. Comprehensive plan and then some of these functional plans that are attached to Seems like it'd be.
19:11:45 Useful to look at the grant language. You know, for us to be able to see it. People like sending that on with killer stuff.
19:11:54 Okay, yeah, if you wanted to look at. The details of the grants. I mean, it's pretty it's pretty interesting that you know, so it seems like we're or 3D. You're at least having
available. Yeah.
19:12:07 The partner commerce website that I mentioned in December. Is where all of this resides. You know, the same grant fair, but well they have the Department of Commerce administers
the middle housing grants.
19:12:21 The, line of resiliency grants and the planning update grants. So the requirements are there.
19:12:29 And So I can. Probably best served viewed by giving you. Links to those individual pages. Great.
19:12:40 But yeah. I mean, we could find them, but it's nice to be sure. Okay, also they have some you know additional resources like they have a model ordinance for middle housing that
we're going to review as part of our little housing and, There's tribal resources there.
19:13:01 Developing policies for tribal outreach and And, so that'll be part of. What we're using these brands for which level.
19:13:14 Can I ask a question about that? Yes. And in the past,
19:13:21 In the past, there's been like we've been instructed to. Really respect the government to government negotiation process and maybe not engage on them.
19:13:32 And we have a representative. Oh, and here, and you know, so. In the past, In the past I would be less likely to write somebody.
19:13:45 Because you would Assume. Oh, well, this. It's disrespectful to, lower than the government.
19:13:53 Fish, are, in the way. And is that still in case or is that opening up now as there's a.
19:14:00 Desire for more collaboration, consultation ongoing. I mean, I notice. There's language in the new.
19:14:08 And, the new companies are plan like with new TMA language. Really emphasizes early it off in consultation.
19:14:15 So that that legislation is house bill 1717 And that, sets up some particular requirements for us to meet with, is geared towards, tribal seated lands or, or other types of.
19:14:36 Okay. Allotted land that the tribe owns. We have tribes that are all around us. You know, those, Sailish tribes and tribes with usual and custom.
19:14:48 Nothing in fishing areas. And so Let's see, how do I, I'm trying to diagram this answer out a little bit.
19:14:56 So, First off, tribal entities are not the general public. And so we treat and approach, tribal entities as the software nation.
19:15:08 And so we have that government to government level of interacting. However,
19:15:16 Tribes and planning offices are encouraged to work together. And Marla is a great example of that where she is set up.
19:15:25 Periodic meetings with us and we just share information planner to planner, P to be meetings.
19:15:35 And, and that's encouraged. We We've reached Josh and I recently spoke with the Tribal representative who works for Department of Congress.
19:15:42 It was a tribal member herself. And, she's there to help guide jurisdictions through this process.
19:15:48 And back to the House Bill legislation, 1717. It says it's it sets up kind of an opt in arrangements for tribes to opt in for participation with our comprehensive plan development.
19:16:02 And it also requires the county to reach out. And so it's been this two-way connection.
19:16:08 To gauge the level of involvement. I'm still trying to figure out. The details between.
19:16:16 The particular tribes that commerce says this legislation. Pertains to and the tribes that are not in Jefferson count, that, changed our supply.
19:16:29 We're not in Jefferson County. But they're our most active tribes and involvement in our comprehensive planning and well regulations.
19:16:37 So we'll be working with all the tribes. It's the formation of KA, the lower L.
19:16:43 Oh. Thank you. So, This will be part of our outreach strategy. So item B here, public participation plan.
19:16:57 We're incorporating not only public participation, patient plan, how we're going to set up.
19:17:03 Meetings and outreach and different ways to communicate with our public. We have a special group of people who were developing strategy for 2 and that is how we comply with
house bill, 1717.
19:17:19 How do we build these bridges stronger? Bridges with tribal entities. And and have some policies in our comprehensive plan that we're gonna iron this out and figure out how
we're gonna interact.
19:17:32 And so there will be a lot of travel involvement in our outreach program. Which would expose the outreach sub to that as well.
19:17:45 Okay.
19:17:48 It's the chair and this committee, would it be helpful if? Marlet shared. Perspective. Her planning office and you care.
19:18:01 Oh, I used to raise my head because I am a planner. Well, I see, Joel's language very well.
19:18:16 But your question is very good and I feel like staff for tribes generally do a lot of labor and the interaction with other staff and other agencies.
19:18:29 And so a lot of that communication and collaboration happens at the base level and then when there's like decision points, and bigger decisions that.
19:18:36 That shouldn't be making, but it's a tribal leadership kind of position to make. And that's, like, government is a really good opportunity to have that collaboration with.
19:18:45 The higher than with the leadership decision makers. So we'll get to a certain point and then we will take it.
19:18:55 Other the same point. Like, Joel, came to, what, the, and, and, the, mental, resource, relay, and he talked to.
19:19:06 This is what the proposal is and do you have any questions? And then we are able to make a decision and submit a letter.
19:19:14 To find a commission that went to the commissioners based on what are concerned. So that letter was signed by them, but as well as staff, labor.
19:19:21 Okay, yeah, that's what I'm going to do. I want to have you. Yeah, I'm learning as I go.
19:19:33 Yeah, so it's this interaction is very good. I appreciate that and who we can continue doing that.
19:19:41 And I still mentioned those literally meetings with the DCD was really important. Helpful because sometimes we have set meetings with.
19:19:52 A harvest of those, you know, shells and they've got, the road that's. But it's got, so, and underneath.
19:20:03 So it's a, sort, of, so, to, come, your, room, it's a private project until you bring your contact with the company and say, hey, how can we help this person address these issues
so we can get this funded and moving forward.
19:20:13 So these connections are really important and we keep doing that. Thank you. And I want to stress that we're jumping right into, you know, banks are going fast.
19:20:29 We are going to be talking to the workout commissioners on next Monday on eighth. And out laying out, how we proposed to.
19:20:39 Restart the joint growth management steering committee which is the city, the county. It's included the the port.
19:20:48 And has had a representative Padla in the past. This is the committee that looks at county light planning policies.
19:20:58 And we reverted the category planning policies in the company as a plan that got a high level planning framework.
19:21:06 And husband 1772. Requires us to involve. Tribal involvement in these countywide planning policies.
19:21:15 And so it's something new for us. We're kind of feeling our way through. That.
19:21:21 We need to get started on this right away. And so we're starting to jump into these big questions and and moving forward.
19:21:28 So that's to say, I went you to feel that sense of excitement and urgency as well.
19:21:34 When they request the things from. And, So, that's a little bit about our public participation plan and outreach that we're working on down.
19:21:47 This plan is due the end of February before our grant. And so, working pretty. Fast and hard on it.
19:21:56 Any questions? Before we go into our planning commission.
19:22:04 I just, last meeting we're gonna talk about master plan resort. Okay, but we didn't get 200 that counting, put that on next to Chandler.
19:22:17 I wasn't that for last meeting, so I. And looking at the minutes I thought that had been done.
19:22:24 Yes, I think you're speaking to the measured equivalent, the residential unit or ME, report out that I was hoping to give and yes, I'll be happy to provide that on the seventeenth
and I mean, you know, you did or any, you report out that I was hoping to give.
19:22:39 And yes, sir, I'll be happy Thank you. Thanks. So as far as our, planning keeps you retreat on January twentieth.
19:22:45 And they joined the OCC. Workshop I wanted to. Circle back to our December sixth meeting.
19:22:56 Where we discuss planning commission training topics. And I have the results of that. We, we get some clip charts and so I've got the flip charts here.
19:23:19 You know, like, tuition training topics. What we had written down was understand state laws with regard to regard to septic and water service requirements.
19:23:28 That may be difficult for us to find sanitarium. On a Saturday. So I just wanted to bring up that might be challenging to.
19:23:37 Careful our training, but we could still work on that. This is still a The other 3 were incorporating health officials into policy and planning process, which is to be part
of our comprehensive planning process, which is to be part of our comprehensive planning.
19:23:52 And that's a good note there. To be part of our comprehensive planning process, which is to be part of our comprehensive planning.
19:23:57 And that's good. Good note there. On the functional plans attached to the comprehensive plan. We could do that.
19:24:04 That's our capital facilities planning, our recreation plans, transportation plans. There are a number of these that are individually updated and are attached as a functional
plan to the countries.
19:24:12 We could go into. That for our training also. And then the last was Tribal History and Consultation.
19:24:18 And so I've got notes that I've worked on. Last couple of years, but they're not complete.
19:24:26 High level, information or request some input from. Specialists. So, those were.
19:24:39 We've got, from 9 to new. To do our planning commission retreat.
19:24:47 So we were going to talk about Any updates to our bylaws? Is there, I don't see anything that we need to that is that urgent and we leave that off.
19:24:56 Or should we have some time to talk about bylaws? Did you? In my opinion, our violins are beautiful finally and you know that was my issue for a long time.
19:25:10 So we did several different updates over several years that really address a lot of the issues and I'm very happy with the bylaws now as far as I'm aware we don't have anything
we need to address.
19:25:24 Okay, I won't reserve time for that, then, but we can certainly talk about any questions about those.
19:25:29 The other one is operational business. I'm reading off of the agenda for tonight. Operational business or things like that we had some great conversations.
19:25:39 In 2022 about. Your need for better information from staff so you're prepared to make.
19:25:47 Prepared to make decisions getting your agenda on time, things like that. Those are kind of the things we want to operationalize and how we function.
19:25:53 That's the group. So. I haven't.
19:25:59 I don't have any specific. Item right now for that. Like last year I played a short video about.
19:26:07 Someone talking about the care and feeding of the planning commission. And next expectations between the 2. We could go into that some more.
19:26:18 Or not. Okay, your processes, I think, improved substantially over the last year. I don't think that's an issue any longer.
19:26:28 Yeah. I think that Alex has had a lot of positive impact, right? And George, we're not, we're not getting information we need.
19:26:41 So I don't think this is a But about something you mentioned before, the sanitation. Things that we feel like we are missing or we're not.
19:26:53 We're not, informed enough to be able to. Figure out what we're.
19:27:01 What we can't do, you know, what we can incentivize when it comes to some of our housing thing, you know, I think that.
19:27:09 The time is so short. That really most of that research should be done about 20. I mean like whatever we have to find.
19:27:18 I've been, I've been trying to read, I've just been reading and stuff with the reference to the slideshow.
19:27:22 Basically every time I think about something else, there's another lot of And it's I don't really expect to get to the end, but I'm just trying to figure out the extent.
19:27:31 To which the extent of what I don't know.
19:27:35 And also, identify those opportunities like when GMA says. Innovation well What does that mean to us?
19:27:43 You know, what is there that's not written in the lawn? Yeah. That's also, so maybe we could discuss, but we have another some professionals with a lot of.
19:27:53 Personal experience with like different aspects of requirements and I've taken a bite at that in the housing.
19:28:04 You, yeah, maybe we just got together what we have the number of bell connections that's possible and what is the whack that makes us not have that.
19:28:15 Makes us have a redundant septic system if we're doing something. Experimental. I can what are the limits on when you get to the what are the different thresholds and what are
the applications for our world centers to, you know, not just the road residents, but also Lammers.
19:28:33 And what are the kinds of, you know, have the portable housing incentives that are coming down at the UGA.
19:28:42 You know, what are the different opportunities that
19:28:46 Or maybe they're just not quite bring them into focus and maybe you know debate a little bit you know there and try to make some progress and something.
19:28:55 Before we think proposals. A month and a half later. Regents mentioned a new staff person who was a sanitation.
19:29:04 Person. And, and, well, there you are. I'm saying, yeah, yeah, but I do think we need more help, at least I do.
19:29:27 And there are some professionals here to deal with stuff all the time. Wanna like dig it up but I really want like look at like Eddie was he did all set this site registration
to follow for 5 years.
19:29:42 So he knows. Their requirements and now it's serving our requirements. So You'd be a really good person since.
19:29:50 I do understand what you're asking for and I acknowledge it and say yes, prepare something, but we only have a minute left and there's more than what you're asking for and I
acknowledge it and say yes, prepare something, but we only have a minute left and there's more I've wanted to go.
19:30:01 Yeah, yeah, I just wanted to say, hey, maybe we don't see this. Yeah, I just wanted to say that, we may have to talk to you when it's over, but, I just wanted to say that before
the comprehensive plan, yeah, I just wanted to say that, we may have to talk to you when it's over, but, I just wanted to say that before the comprehensive plan, the big conference
of, last time, I invited staff, we had 2, we
19:30:28 had a staff member from environmental health come and did they did a panel with us and that it was just kind of a QA.
19:30:35 They did a tiny presentation, but mostly they were just there to ask questions and that was hugely helpful and I would love to do that again with whoever are the right people.
19:30:44 Okay. And then.
19:30:50 So. I guess this is part of your thinking about the year and review, but what messages? Do you want to bring forward to the Ford County Commissioners?
19:31:02 So I'll be facilitating. From one o'clock to 4 o'clock, you've got their ear and we'll be talking.
19:31:11 Are there talking points with questions? That you have or want to be part of that discussion. Please send them to me.
19:31:19 Please send them to me. As well as your photos. I've only got one photo. I'm trying to write this annual report.
19:31:27 Are we supposed to send you a photo? Please. So have you emailed us to tell them? Because we talked about it in our December sixth meeting.
19:31:45 And then an email also following up saying please send them. By the end of the week, right? We have January 17 planning commission meeting.
19:31:51 Oh yeah, we're gonna do a little follow up. It's kind of a bring it all together for the Planning Commission to retreat on the twentieth.
19:31:59 So also on the seventeenth. We've got some items that Brent's gonna bring forward.
19:32:08 Some flood hazard prevention work and possibly short-term mental work. And beginning the discussion on UGA planning.
19:32:18 So it's going to be a busy meeting. We won't have a lot of time like tonight to Think about it.
19:32:27 I'm asking for is I need some input. So I could put together this manual report. And so what we've got is your messaging to VOCC or what facilitating questions do you wanna?
19:32:39 Entertain, engage them in. You're in review or highlights that you want to. Going forward that the planning commission has done.
19:32:49 That he wanted to share with the board. You know, you've done terrific work and on some big items.
19:32:55 Let me know in your words what that means to you. I can put them in this report. And then your subcommittee reports.
19:33:04 We've got average subcommittee in the. Plan sub. Doing tremendous work. It's not plan, so committee is, is, had a number of really
19:33:20 Meetings that stretch forward to some great implementation. So I'd like to capture some of that. Again, this is weird as the chair of that.
19:33:29 And.
19:33:32 Yeah, those are the, and those are the 4 things that I really need.
19:33:39 Let me talk. You were asking, you had mentioned that video. I didn't love that video that we saw last year.
19:33:51 No, it wasn't the kind of planning commission we are. So it't the kind of planning commission we are.
19:33:55 So it's, and it was about 25 years old and it was about 25 years old and it was back east.
19:33:57 There was a lot of other that was like. It just didn't feel as relevant. I agree. I actually liked it.
19:34:04 I thought it was a good, it described a baseline for what's black and measures both. Except it was a trying to plan commission or not.
19:34:12 We don't do any site specific work. So anyway, I thought I was confusing if I were a brand new conditioner and I was seeing it and it was, you know, I just thought it wasn't,
we did have a lot of good response to the ethics questions.
19:34:29 Kinda brings forward what they've experienced. Or ethics issues over the last year. That's Fun board that you're thinking about ethics.
19:34:37 That'd be great. And then, you know, Anything else that? It's going to help you in.
19:34:46 Exploring the these issues and bringing forward good recommendations. There is a time when I thought we should be talking about Roberts rules and and motions and kind of they're
up some of the clutter with our motion so a friendly amendment and all those things sometimes you don't have to.
19:35:04 Bothered with those and there might be a way to clean up our. Okay. Meeting discourse. And make it easier on everybody.
19:35:16 Or there might be some things that we have to do, make sure we get it in the record. Otherwise it could cost.
19:35:23 From the PEOPLE or something like that. So. Those are other types of training that we can do.
19:35:32 Hey, I'm not sure whether to call on you or Richard. I'm not sure whether they call on you or Richard. Okay, so I would like to finish.
19:35:46 So I would like to finish. The other thing is I really think this short term rental thing is going to be a big deal.
19:35:48 And I would love to have some time to talk to the commissioners about that. I know it's not in front of them.
19:35:53 It's not even in front of us. But, I know there's, there's an idea that we're gonna move something quickly and I think that really good solid conversation early on in that process
would be really.
19:36:03 Helpful. Would you like to add that to the, yeah, Okay, that's helpful and I appreciate.
19:36:16 Your thoughts on that. So I really appreciate how much work you did on the helping stuff. I know that's the stuff that we're gonna be doing next year on that, it really wouldn't
have happened without you.