HomeMy WebLinkAboutclosed_caption09:09:36 January twentieth, 24 annual retreat. Of the Jersey County Plan Commission.
09:09:43 And the, first floor businesses. Roll call and I'll start with Mike. Cynthia Cohen?
09:09:52 Richard. And,
09:10:01 Nobody online. Yeah, And then, I guess. Kicked off. Thank you. Yes.
09:10:13 3 more? First thing I'll do is just, us to the Gardener Community Center.
09:10:20 We have, Exits. The door back here and there's exit out in front you came in.
09:10:27 It's also in through the kitchen. Just so we are aware of that. Bathrooms are in the hall.
09:10:32 And there's an A. Back by the kitchen there in case. You need that. So, which actually happened at the city council recently.
09:10:49 So.
09:10:52 I know, but I'm not really, I don't know. Is alright so that's Okay, so.
09:11:10 I'm going to as I've done in the past talk about the purpose of the retreat for just a few minutes and for those who are here for their first time and those who have been in
a retreat before know well that we wanted to.
09:11:27 Reserve the time each year that we could talk about the Planning Commission as an organization. And think about our organizational.
09:11:38 Methods and processes. It kind of evaluate how we can be. Doing any process improvement. And it gives us the time to look at things like bylaws or other organizational things
outside of the business that we typically do in the regular planning commission.
09:11:54 Meetings. Also, something that has been very valuable for the planning commission is that we set up a joint meeting with Florida County Commissioners.
09:12:04 So this afternoon, looking forward to having. Lunch during the lunch hour month with our commissioners and then we'll have some discussions with them.
09:12:14 You provide you with the opportunity to speak direction to the Board of County Commissioners. Who has appointed each one of you.
09:12:20 And, share with them. The perspective is of the planning commission that they may not otherwise have a chance to hear.
09:12:28 So this is an exciting time. It's informal. It's our Saturday and I appreciate everyone for being here.
09:12:36 Another important thing that we do in this retreat is the our planet conditions for all the volunteered work that you do.
09:12:46 And, time to celebrate. We do through the rest of the year. We've got a lot of things coming up.
09:12:54 In 2024 so you wanna take this time to think about not details about ordinances or specific work but in general how are we going to function efficiently to get that work done?
09:13:10 So that's it in a nutshell. Of what we're doing today. Okay, overall on our agenda, we got.
09:13:18 Of the morning for you and afternoon for you and the board. We have some guests who will be coming to, and, and, to help us in the morning.
09:13:27 Item for tribal participation with the county. That's going to be excited to have them. One will be zooming in and Marla.
09:13:37 Who was at our planning commission meeting the last time will be here again. Share some per experiences with tribes working with local jurisdictions.
09:13:47 I think I'll go through the packet since, we'll be, we wanna.
09:13:52 Begins to take this apart. The top page is our agenda. We want to set that aside. And then.
09:14:04 I've included in our annual report. And, Alright, Thank you.
09:14:18 Then we have in the paper flip. Materials. So training materials that will. Added, in, for our training items.
09:14:32 Some of it is, do you take home? And then we, I provided a. Copy of my PowerPoint slides where I'm introducing the tribal participation part.
09:14:44 I'm going to go kind of quickly so you have this as a reference if you then at the end in the back.
09:14:50 A couple of, spreadsheets. Our brands and activities. These are draft working products that are subject to change.
09:15:01 But, it shows. The tasks for 2024. That or going to be done. To fulfill our grant obligations.
09:15:12 And the second spreadsheet, and we'll get to this more detail later. Is the planning update grant from the Department of Commons for 2024 2025 how how the whole year 2 years
will lay out with the commerce rent.
09:15:27 And, we'll be going into this. These spreadsheets more with the board and commissioners as well or the.
09:15:37 So if you wanna Alright, potential. The annual report. We'll go through that quickly just to see.
09:15:47 You're right. You's not both even there. And referring to this. In our discussions might be helpful.
09:15:58 You like the problem? If you want to go quick, go alone, wanna go far, go together.
09:16:05 I thought that was kind of nice. We have The introduction letter from Richard and Josh. From our presentation chair.
09:16:13 Community development director, just introducing me that we've had quite a great year in 2,023 and some of the highlights that we've done.
09:16:22 And then. The photos that I requested and some who I did not receive photos from. I did some screen captures off of both Plenty of.
09:16:33 Meeting. I apologize for anything that may not be up to far. And thank those who sent in, these wonderful pictures.
09:16:39 And. I wanted to acknowledge too. We've had a couple of resignations in 2023.
09:16:46 Arlene Allen and Lorna Smith and we've filled those positions with Michael Schultz and ours.
09:16:54 Welcome. And then, we have. Our subcommittees. Okay, purpose of them, the chair, members of the committee and the report.
09:17:07 For our housing. Submiti, stock plans, the committee. And our. And then next is.
09:17:16 Pictures of us who have been assisting. In case you. When I refer to who we are.
09:17:25 The next page is the Community Development Planet Commission goals. This is what we have been working with for the past 2 years in 2022 we've worked on kind of the what you
need from us and what we need from you and spelled it out in our tools and I Abreviated them a little bit, made them make more clear, but mostly just to make sure it fit on one page.
09:17:50 So. We could You can refer to this, but it should look pretty familiar. And then.
09:17:59 I have done a meeting summary of all the meetings we did in 2023.
09:18:05 And following the pages. The summary shows that we've met. Out of 24 possible meetings, 2 meetings a month.
09:18:16 I'm trying to fill up possible units in a year and that 17 times. We canceled 7 meetings.
09:18:23 We did a joint workshop with CLCC about this time last year. We've had a couple of special meetings.
09:18:35 A number of sub Canadian meetings I'm sure so I can split that And, we've had 4 public hearings in 2023.
09:18:45 So that's a good amount of work. Yeah, put in attendance record of.
09:18:52 For the meeting attendance and then the following item is training. I sent this, information out about training to you.
09:19:02 And requested any updates that we may not have. Received about when you were last trained. Didn't I had an update from Michael Schultz.
09:19:15 But this shows that we. Need to redo our training every 4 years and some are up for additional training.
09:19:24 Basically that's the. Open Public Meetings Act. And So I have a question about that.
09:19:34 And then, our short course of local plan. So, just to refer back to the paper clipped training items, I put a summary of the short course for local planning.
09:19:47 From the Department of Commerce in your packet that you could refer to the next time. It has the highlights of the short course for local planning.
09:19:53 But, refer to the website that have now, rather than in person trainings, they have an online.
09:20:02 Web training that you can take at your leisure. So we were going to be giving that. Responsibility to the chair to make sure that you got training and then come to us if you
need some assistance at finding training.
09:20:20 So I'm sorry I didn't go back to you. I have had all these trainings multiple times.
09:20:29 So I can go back and look at my. Records and see if I can fill in the last time I had the open government training.
09:20:35 You have my last short horse. But my question is, online but next to my name for the open government training you don't have an original date so you also don't have a next due.
09:20:50 How does how often do we need to take each of those? Each 40 years. Every part of yes.
09:20:56 Yeah, and that's a state environment for any commissions and boards. Yeah, We could go and we go back to that.
09:21:11 So the state has provided a training called open government training and they incorporate a few things into that.
09:21:20 I mean, a number of you have taken that. Course. So it makes it easier to cover some of the basis on the different.
09:21:26 What we both meeting act and experience fairness and those kinds of people. So, you know, something, IS, that GRISTRAL, we just mentioned to me, isn't, as well, okay, the training,
it's important to communicate that you've got the truth, the job.
09:21:39 He needs to know. If you're going online, especially, open public meetings app is, which is the requirement.
09:21:47 When you go online, take a little course that take very long, tell Joel, you finished it and, but you don't know.
09:22:04 They can't take very long. Additionally, I think that over time the system for tracking that has changed.
09:22:09 So I think we have communicated them and it doesn't necessarily transfer. I went through all of the certificates that we had in our file.
09:22:20 And so we updated. This table with everything we could find. So not that you haven't taken the training since we have little records.
09:22:31 And we can start from here and go forward. Thank you for your efforts at that. The next page in our pack, it is general report.
09:22:42 It's just, mentioning this meeting. And it's important to the planet.
09:22:46 And then our calendar known upcoming items, which implies that there may be some surprise things that come along the way, is our 2,024 annual plan cycle as well as the periodic
review.
09:23:00 And so a lot of things are converging on 2024 and then. We may be starting some Can you see amendments on particular topics midstream?
09:23:13 We have will have a 2025 is not a full year for us for a minute. So we're just gonna kind of keep this rolling.
09:23:22 Through an 18 month period. We plan to address the border commissioners today. To request that they approve a resolution that would.
09:23:33 Defer the 2025 annual cycle so we can continue on this This track with the 24 and what needs to be completed in 25 to periodic review.
09:23:48 Any questions about that point?
09:23:52 Okay. And then, of course the other board initiated board. That makes happen.
09:23:59 I, included our 2024 calendar, the Same page wasn't very readable, so I put it in a, in my 17.
09:24:09 We've promising this before and this is gonna be a good guide for seeing our benchmarks.
09:24:16 For this next year and then last is management budget. That we have in place for 1 24. So.
09:24:26 We'll see.
09:24:31 Good night. You, a few things to mention, but let me know. I'm sorry. Yes, I've made a note for me.
09:24:40 For myself to refer to Josh. But I've got 4 things 3, please. I mentioned before before the meeting started, and, Vince, Money, our tier, our new planner.
09:24:55 I'm gonna plan a clean if you do a lot of our ways playing with us. What I did I mentioned that is that Vince is a training architect.
09:25:00 It's like, got something to come with you. Like and Also was the operations manager of the municipal airport, California.
09:25:07 And also has experience in the world of fire districts. Look forward to working with the team and all of you, of course.
09:25:19 So. Good workshop for today for everybody. Were successful. Thanks.
09:25:27 The second is that I think I sent out to the plan commission. I know that I sent to the DCD team about the article and the leader a couple of weeks ago.
09:25:36 It's funny because at the time I reacted and sort of defensive way because there was an inaccuracies there that I pointed out to the paper.
09:25:45 And of course they did publish a correction. This week to those, of course, I think it's funny.
09:25:49 The correction was there and then right above it was a political cartoon poking fun at me I guess.
09:25:57 I thought that was I wrote a letter to the new editor saying 2 shit you know that was pretty I don't even know if she actually did it on purpose or not, but it's still fun.
09:26:04 So, it's a funny part to me is that I never said anything like, Instant permitting and I never said anything like I promise this or promise that.
09:26:14 That's just the headlines that they chose. And so they're making fun of me for their own headlines.
09:26:18 But anyway, not that you know there. I thought it was at least gracious that they both posted the The corrections.
09:26:24 They pulled the article from the web because there were enough inaccuracies. So anyway, I just wanted to just wanna mention that if you think there's some humor in that I suppose
but then of course I got this feedback.
09:26:37 Just want to mention that if you think there's some,'s some humor in that I suppose but then of course I got this feedback like I great article.
09:26:41 I'm like, hey, so the next piece, the third thing is that shoreline master program is still going through the board process.
09:26:46 A lot of discussion, they opened a public hearing. I think what they, correctly, and we got a workshop about issues last week and then this coming Monday.
09:26:59 We're gonna have more discussion. This is gonna be more like deliberations the start of deliberations and they expect to make a decision on an ordinance in mid February, things
February, 12.
09:27:10 So that's still happening. Just so you know, you can also, you know, you can engage in however you wish this observe or say say things or whatever you want to do so the hearing
is actually still open technically.
09:27:22 I don't know if they'll accept. Oh, next deliberations. I might save it for that February 12 day to sort of because it's enough interest of course that takes a long time in
the calendar so that's the record.
09:27:34 Yeah, the records still open, submit a record, great comments or what have you. So that's still, just wanted to let you know that's going on lots of healthy debate about things.
09:27:41 Pretty, pretty familiar topics for you. I'm having heard a lot of things to talk about. So, nothing new there.
09:27:48 In a sense, but there are some new ideas. And then last, this is something that maybe you haven't heard about.
09:27:58 I know I haven't been to planning commission, recently, but you know, got the briefings from the team.
09:28:04 So we are. As part of the overall 2025 periodic update. Restarting something called the Growth Management Steering Committee.
09:28:15 Which is a conversation really between. Between governmental partners. So it most it started in the nineties as a coordination between the county and the city.
09:28:24 Or established in countywide planning policies and then allocating population. As projected through the Office of Financial Management.
09:28:33 Then the port was added and I think, 1999. Through the intergovernmental collaborative group or ICG at the late last year, there was talk about adding the PVD as a voice in
that in that conversation.
09:28:44 So there's a resolution is going to be before the board on Monday just so you know. Are we gonna get the first meeting?
09:28:54 If we can on February 8, which will then be a week before the next ICG meeting. And as a Thursday, it'll be available for in person or hybrid.
09:29:05 If you're curious and so that's happening and the whole purpose of that conversation is to See what OFM has in mind for us in terms of population projection till 2045.
09:29:17 Select which bear low medium or high we're going to plan for and then the next step will be allocate that population to Singapore towns in UGA, for Hadlock, EJ and the rest
of the county.
09:29:29 Also, we anticipate this time, finally in a sense going back to the calendar counterweight planning policies which have not been amended I think since they were adopted in the
ninetys before the first GMA company, which was 1998.
09:29:42 And so we're gonna take a look at those. And we have new requirements. Regarding that in terms of travel participation through house bill 1717 which i think we've introduced
you and will hear more about today we have some visitors from the port camel to talk about travel planning in general in coordination with county planning in particular, but Oh, participation
of tribes specifically on any.
09:30:12 Consideration of any of that is to kind of get any policy. So this is all happening and you know you can plug in any way you want.
09:30:18 I just wanna make sure that you're aware of what's that. Is there any questions on that?
09:30:21 I'm happy to feel them, otherwise we'll move on.
09:30:27 Hey, hearing none. Hi, jump back in again. Thank you, John. We have a couple of hard stops in our agenda and that is 9 45 will have public comment.
09:30:40 And we should stick to that for the best that we can. In case the public is waiting to zoom in and that comment.
09:30:47 But I'm observing that our training session without Roberts rules and subcommittees is probably not a very meaty subject and probably doesn't need.
09:30:57 45Â min and I would rather allocate additional time to our Review and our discussion of what works well, what's not working well.
09:31:08 And those kinds of things. If you don't mind with that modification. We can continue that.
09:31:17 Discussion after public public comment and eat into our training time a little bit if you'd like.
09:31:22 I think. Getting you the floor. And not presenting to you, but allowing you to. To bring your store on some of these items, it's more valuable than us.
09:31:34 In training session. And then the other hard stop is at 1045. We'll have our.
09:31:40 Cooperation between tribes and county planning and development presentation. One, the, Tribal Historic Preservation Officer, Mr. Is going to be zooming in for her part.
09:31:53 So we're going to stick to that. 1045. At some point I'm sure we'll take a break so we can replenish our coffee and in some of that breakfast.
09:32:01 Yeah. Okay, so I'm going to. The facilitator and take notes, but I encourage you to kinda take this and run this part of our agenda.
09:32:13 And what we want to do is kind of live in our operations and processes and our procedures. I've already got training up here as an item that we could.
09:32:23 We be raise our awareness on and. Be vigilant to provide those opportunities. But I would like to hear.
09:32:33 Some other discussion as well. That we can add as much as we want. I was talking with the Christine on the phone and there was a suggestion that we talked about representation
of the planning commission and diversity.
09:32:51 Of the planning commission and we might have some discussion. Also discussion around, planning the commission work and preparation for these items.
09:33:00 What resources do you bring to the meetings? Do you have a comprehensive plan? You unified general code, buying laws or other things that you bring or that you have at home
for reference material?
09:33:13 Are there things that are going to be helpful for you in doing your work? Hello, Michael. Thank you.
09:33:18 Nice to see you. Mike Fields and join the meeting. Okay. So.
09:33:30 Here's where. I'm gonna step back and I'm sure you've been thinking about a lot of these things last 2 days.
09:33:41 So Mr. Chair. Let me know how I can. Facilitate that I'm going to just take notes on your thoughts of 2023 and process improvements and especially about information in general.
09:33:56 Well, I do have a comment to start off with. And it's a positive one. The, the SMP process.
09:34:04 And he was pretty much exactly how it spoke to work. A good function committee. Will have diverse views.
09:34:14 We'll have disagreements. And respectful discussions and then an outcome. And that's precisely what happened.
09:34:23 And I thought that was a recommendable. I think it was a high point of the year for the planning condition.
09:34:28 And having said that. Did you? What a big thank you to the staff. I just think that a lot of the pain points for the planning commission in terms of support have really been.
09:34:45 That may be a, but you understand me and I just deeply appreciate it. I deeply appreciate it. I deeply appreciate it.
09:34:53 I deeply appreciate yet our getting our packets Friday. And having plenty of time to schedule to review them.
09:35:00 I appreciate. The You guys look more relaxed and less frantic and stress and that helps us.
09:35:13 I very much appreciate. I think George, you may still be doing the, or the minutes.
09:35:18 They're beautiful. I could tell you stories. I mean, we've gotten 20 page minutes before and we've got minutes that don't say anything.
09:35:27 So. Perfect you like you're right on the line as far as I'm concerned so I deeply appreciate that.
09:35:35 I, I have felt so much engagement from, in terms of. The housing stuff particularly, I know you've been a lot of your own self in that in trying to get.
09:35:50 You know, move it, move that call and try to get it across the. Okay, again, the next metaphors to finish line.
09:36:07 Yeah, probably. Go ahead. And good for you because you didn't have to respond.
09:36:08 So I know that this has been a crazy year and I just see such a great improvement. I'm really happy that Chelsea is taken over the stipend thing.
09:36:17 I think that's gonna, I think she's gonna get us there and it's already clearer and I think she's trying to work out some some you know some inconsistencies that happened over
the last year but I think she's gonna be great getting that done so I just have a lot of.
09:36:34 Appreciation just makes it a big difference for me and for us.
09:36:42 Another thoughts? Things that we can improve on. There's something in these meetings that are not working out very well.
09:36:52 Looks like a board game, you know, wrong with rules. You can always improve. Now I see a better scratch, year, a smooth approach, but.
09:37:00 I mean, like you said, Mr. Chair, sure we could refine our I'm sort of adding, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, things that make things,
so quickly, that.
09:37:14 What? There's beauty in the informality of it too and, I mean the results most of the time when unison which is also.
09:37:28 Okay. Feel lucky to be operating in a particularly in today's climate. I guess it's like it's even illegal in Congress to compute someone's integrity.
09:37:45 Like, there's against the rules, you know, standard farewell. So operating the public setting one.
09:37:51 People are respectful. And can disagree.
09:38:00 I definitely feel. Appreciate it for this. The tree here since I definitely. Okay, got it right in the end, the little best of.
09:38:13 I don't know how feasible it is. One of the things that I have done.
09:38:22 With previous board that I've job is that for meetings There's a kind of briefing call that comes from.
09:38:34 That, just quickly hitting the high points of the agenda. You know, that's a lot to ask you all and I'm not expecting it, but I will say that, you know, once you're twice, INSTEAD,
of the meetings and that's really helpful.
09:38:50 To me, context for me is kind of like. Here's here's what the topics that will come up here at any point.
09:39:03 You know, different perspectives that will be heard. And here's really the action that the planning, and that's really apply.
09:39:10 I assume that as I get more experience, more comfortable here that becomes less and less. But I've seen it work well before it is a heavy lesson.
09:39:26 Clarification, are you talking about at the beginning of any given meeting to some more discussion about what to expect in that very meeting.
09:39:30 Just clarification. Are you talking about at the beginning of any given meeting to some more discussion about what to expect in that very meeting or are you talking The latter.
09:39:32 Yeah. So, so, the, maybe the agenda comes out and then a phone call, one everyone with member staff just saying, David, first of all, did you get the agenda? I don't know.
09:39:44 With member staff, just saying, David, first of all, didn't get the agenda. I don't know.
09:39:48 But, by the way, we're good at these 3 topics, but you really should know about this topic.
09:39:53 Here's some other things that, you know, you're kind of the 2 main perspectives or 3 main perspectives. And that you might hear.
09:40:01 And I know it's kind of a fine line She, but I appreciate it when I've talked that up, so maybe it's also.
09:40:12 Literally phone call. Yeah. I think there probably would be something we could do with you. Each, you know, maybe pick some different planning commissioners each time so you're
not just, with one or 2 of us, but.
09:40:27 But, rather than put more of the burden on staff and. And, I think it might be.
09:40:35 Hard for staff to say this is what you're likely to hear because that's not their job and but we can probably speculate more than that.
09:40:44 The other thing that Mike is, is the website. As a place for us to announce what we're gonna do.
09:40:52 Sweet to figure out how to write. Well, I mean, you know, we need somebody to write it if it's fun thing, but.
09:40:58 We have to figure out how to, how to make sure that, Yeah, that's accurate clear in real time.
09:41:10 That like many descriptions might actually help. Okay, and it's left side. What seems like baseball?
09:41:17 Excellent. But, maybe that would help. I don't know. Definitely not.
09:41:25 Yeah, you can help us too. I think you're writing like what? I think I am interested.
09:41:32 If you want to name it, it's like baseball, that probably, I'll make sure for staff.
09:41:41 Could, should join me. You'd be very good. You have time to do that. Outreach is really getting, this in these function.
09:41:53 So I'll consider that, be difficult. Have any one of them, I can just check with a couple of quick points on that.
09:42:04 Is that okay? Yeah, go ahead. So thanks for the idea. In an idealized state, we'd be able to do exactly what you're saying.
09:42:12 I'm reluctant to commit to things that I just know pretty much. That we're not gonna be able to do.
09:42:18 Like even, even calling everybody. They can't when we had a the last thing we're able to be working to have an in person meeting or even that would hoping that phone tree would
work well in that case.
09:42:27 So and I and I think I like these response I mean relying on your fellow commissioners that said though especially if you are in and and Mr. Schultz because you're so new.
09:42:37 And anyone else really, you know that you could call us and try to stop an appointment or just try to catch one of us on the telephone.
09:42:44 And I think more on an ad hoc basis like that. If you had questions like, yeah, what do you think is really going on?
09:42:50 I'd be happy to talk to you when I can. I just, I'm unable to commit the staff to call every commissioner for like a conversation prior to the meeting.
09:42:58 Is probably not feasible. So there's that in terms of the website. I'm Alex Henley has been doing work on the Planning Commission website.
09:43:06 He's also setting up a web page if he hasn't already for the 2,025 cycle and so we're He's he's been able to put some amount of time, not all his time, but some amount of time
towards those efforts.
09:43:15 And so if you notice something again, we're welcome, welcoming your feedback on that, especially as the outreach of community gets going sort of, you know, more formalized way
perhaps.
09:43:25 You're always welcome to engage with us. The website features and we'll try to improve our outreach.
09:43:30 Okay. I just want to acknowledge, Erin, I've been on the plane. Here's in 9 years now, just as of this.
09:43:39 Moment basically. Some people that are longer, some people have been on less long, but there's a lot of you, you know, Mr. Hall and Matt have been on for a very long time.
09:43:48 Kevin was on longer than me. Like there's a lot of years on this planning commission and Yep, I often felt like I don't have the slightest idea what's happening like getting
the context of taking regulations all the way from the beginning all the way through to the end and so the deep end of the pool is I think something you're just gonna feel for a while
and it's one of the reasons
09:44:14 I so deeply appreciate all the time that we have in experience here because you know even Mike's pretty new and how long you, 7 years, 3, 4 years.
09:44:26 So, you know, you're, I'm just guessing I'm not picking on LV, but I'm guessing at least probably just starting to figure out.
09:44:33 The rhythm of the whole thing. Right, it takes a while. Cause there's a lot of different things that we do and you all look a little different.
09:44:40 So it's real. It's not just you. Just, before we take our 9 45 public comment period, which I'm not sure is gonna take the spot off.
09:44:57 Could We received feedback from the Planning Commission about this idea of having your phone tree or. Within your district kind of.
09:45:07 Teaming up and helping each other out. Did you see the material? Are you? Are you thinking what I'm taking? That kind of thing.
09:45:16 We're talking about communication and information sharing. Okay, what do you think about how you share information among yourselves and what I always feel terrified and when
I am, based with the possibility of a fundra because it's you know, something like that time to do that.
09:45:39 There's another issue I need to throw in right away too this. You can have a rolling forum or a meeting without intending to have a meeting.
09:45:47 So we're just talking about. I can't find my agenda, you know, or there's a community meeting happening down at the whatever in district 3 come with me.
09:45:56 And will be representing those kinds of things I don't want, but you're in your mind about.
09:46:04 Conferring and meeting, together and developing a role. Okay. I know that. I, I think, this planning commission so far has been very careful and respectful about that.
09:46:17 Like I've never had to say I feel uncomfortable because I feel like we're having a meeting.
09:46:22 Like I think we are all very conscious of that and I think, you know, I appreciate that about the plan commission that we regulate ourselves.
09:46:33 So that's awesome. I do like I've been texting Kevin to say Are you coming? I've heard from him.
09:46:40 I have a text in Mike and he's like, I'm almost there. Thank you. Yeah, Kevin did ask us to question.
09:46:46 I know, and I knew and sometimes it helps them sometimes. You do. I texted last time and I was passing with my glasses.
09:46:54 At least some of that does happen. It's not a truth. But anybody's welcome to text me about you know finding her, did you get the agenda?
09:47:07 I got the agenda back. Hello, question. You send out emails, I know that's so you can keep a record.
09:47:16 We also send out text. Say, hey, look for your turn in the middle. No, that would.
09:47:23 We don't have that. I guess what we'd end up doing is using our personal phones.
09:47:32 And I mean, I have an account. I mean, I have an account, I guess what we'd end up doing is using our personal phones.
09:47:38 I mean, I have an account, cell phone. I could possibly put that on the list if it's like something like a meeting thing.
09:47:40 Cause I know I've been sending you the emails. It's, no, it's you, I've seen emails, you have not been getting like, is that true?
09:47:46 That's really odd. I'm not sure why you might want to look into your settings. I went through it up to you to suggest that and, I couldn't find anything.
09:48:02 Even after that voicemail, I sent you another email. You can send it. I send them a fresh email and a reply.
09:48:25 I, I don't know. We could chat the email that you're using to get that to me also that you're using to get back to the email that you're using to get that to me. I know that
you're using to get that to me also.
09:48:29 Let's try an experience coming week to make sure that. Let's try an experiments coming week to make sure that's important.
09:48:34 Let's try our experiments coming week to make sure that's important. I'd like to be able to be confident that you're getting a message. Is important. I'd like to be able to
be confident that you're getting a message.
09:48:37 I'm sending your accounting phone, okay instead of a text group and send out announcement. That yeah, the way to figure that is a way, if that is.
09:48:46 That important to move the communication through this channel. Especially on something like, you know, we got some weather and we might change a meeting at the last minute.
09:48:55 That's important to get that out. We don't want anyone driving all the way somewhere in the snow and then moved it to a to a virtual only.
09:49:04 There was a period of time that we had that somebody had a calendar item set up with all of our emails so I would get a calendar reminder that and this has been a And then,
and then at some point it got abandoned and nobody could fix it and finally went away.
09:49:25 So there is a note on that. I know your IT, IT, pros, you understand this aspect.
09:49:32 So after that. Outlook disaster of last year. Our calendars went away, our group calendars even in our apartment and then we received work from IT that we were on our own in
that.
09:49:46 So Chelsea been trying to set up calendar for us to manage them and we're still like, we still don't have the planning team counter that needs to have.
09:49:50 So I can't really promise anything around calendar plus. We're down to IT staff. So we're now down to 2, by the way, 2 IT staff.
09:50:00 So that's, there was 4, Sarah, Mackay, and, work for the county for 30 years.
09:50:05 She went up to payroll, which we really need to that person. And then someone else, our network administrator just left.
09:50:10 So now we're down to people and we've been cautioned to even temper our expectations, never mind other people's expectations.
09:50:19 So just FYI only IT front. The good news is though we have a central services director now who's starting in February, so that's great news.
09:50:25 And so things are gonna start turning around there, but. Central services deals with IT. Facilities and fleet like our vehicles and such.
09:50:35 We have a new sleep marriage. That's good news too. So there's good news about it.
09:50:39 Joe, one of the things I was concerned about is trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist.
09:50:45 So aside from Mike. Is it anybody had trouble getting information through the email system? Is currently in use?
09:50:55 Not recently. Not recently. But that, no, you know, Mike, you've gotten stuff, okay?
09:51:00 You've, you've, for a while, but now,'s okay. Yeah, it'll be shake his head.
09:51:06 So. I think maybe we're doing okay. Exactly. Also, we made an update to the process of finding the agenda package.
09:51:19 Go to the web PC web page. You don't have to sort through the laser fish filing structure.
09:51:27 Alex is putting it into. Yes, next meeting or a folder that says this is your meeting packet.
09:51:34 So get it directly. Thanks for that. Just a quick note, we are into our planning, public comment, for you, like George in the case, there's nobody.
09:51:47 Waiting to make public comment. I have an update on Thank you. Yes. Texted me and says he's on his way and needed to know where it was. Totally, right? My, doesn't work. She
did.
09:52:12 Yeah. This email doesn't work. She did. Yeah.
10:05:21 I think we can probably go back and continue our workshop. Yeah.
10:05:28 Okay, I'll start with just a quick reach out to where we left off. So we're talking about our operational agreement ideas.
10:05:37 We're talking about training and the need to keep that up to date and asking the chair to assist.
10:05:44 With that. Keeping the news out there or keeping track of who's got. We're doing some things good.
10:05:55 Our deliberations and the outcome for SMP was a good example. That's how you.
10:06:02 Create a record look at the record and deliberate and and make a recommendation based on. Like that.
10:06:13 Communication, briefing to the board meeting, maybe a text group. Or announcements using the website or advantage for communication.
10:06:21 The calendar. Right. Is there anything else we want to talk about is communication or process improvement?
10:06:29 For next year. Let's review. Keep it up. Okay.
10:06:35 So I wanted to touch on This is a discussion about the representation and the diversity of our planning. We try to have a diverse planning.
10:06:48 Lot of times it's who's going to apply and that's been difficult at times. You know, getting interested people.
10:06:57 There are. Members of the planning commission who want to represent specific issues. I would say Chris's example would be you represent agriculture because that's your business
and, others like Kevin represents the designers and builders.
10:07:17 And each of us has our own skill set and experiences. So I would. Just I'm gonna claim the discussion and then let you take it away.
10:07:27 We want to have diversity. That's a primary goal. So that we can adequately represent our public.
10:07:34 We need experience as well. The caution would be. Are you only interested in one thing?
10:07:42 And your checking out on the rest of the planning? I would encourage us if we have centers of experience and expertise.
10:07:51 That we participate in all of them. Or that comes before us and not only when you have pop up when your issue comes up.
10:07:58 So that's kind of the balancing. Composition, diversity, and input. Thanks. Go ahead.
10:08:07 A question about diversity in the sets. I noticed in like district 3, which I think works out well as.
10:08:13 Or Chris, Richard myself, you do kind of represent a broad section of that. Southern portion of the county.
10:08:22 I can't speak to the others because I really don't know. You know, what their communities they live at.
10:08:29 But also you talk about. You know, contractors. And like Chris. What kind of things do you guys think about reference diversity.
10:08:45 What do you look at when you see these applications? For the Planning Commission representative. Let us know what you're looking for.
10:08:54 We're limited in one respect of how the appointment process occurs. We have an interview process where we have some standard questions.
10:09:05 To get to know how a person thinks about the their political role in being fair and equitable. Being able to process information.
10:09:17 No, just basic things. Making recommendations on policy. And then it's up to the board account commissioners and typically it's that district that's the commissioner that represents
that district that's that'd be the to.
10:09:32 Next. The biggest. Part of the decision to all 3 commissioners.
10:09:42 So it's out of our hands our goal as planners is to provide with the board much like what you do.
10:09:46 With the full set of information that helps them make the decision. So, I don't have that answer.
10:09:59 Well, it doesn't. If you go back to take a look at the broader picture, which I did ask.
10:10:01 Yes, I did say what? You That would look at the county commissioners. Water. Have you had dialogue with them and I know it might be difficult or.
10:10:14 The new individuals running your department. But you've been around a long time. Joe, what if you've seen from the county commissioners what they're looking for.
10:10:24 Go before you answer that. Yeah, but what I've heard and told story is what I think about it.
10:10:43 It's really more a problem. Recruitment and who actually applies because so often they only get one applicant like the the times when they get to choose between 2 people or
3.
10:10:57 Rare. Usually it's they're just so thrilled that somebody applied. So, you know, we can play a role in that both in terms of communicating to.
10:11:08 People we know the value of being on a learning condition and and how that service, you know, adds to the public conversation.
10:11:20 And, you know, making sure people know, I try to tell people when I can, that I'm on the planning commission.
10:11:26 Most people have no idea what I thought. They don't know whether they're talking about the city or the county.
10:11:30 So any opportunity to sort of flush out that understanding in the simplest terms. I think it's super helpful.
10:11:37 I'm really glad Arn's here. You know, you represent and look how much younger than in all of us you are and you are up here somebody who I think you're having a family, yeah,
your family or you have family.
10:11:51 Where for us to have. Somebody sort of looking at the world from that. The one comment I would need is that this particular commission is District days, that's what it is.
10:12:05 So it's 3 representative from each commissioner district where fortunate that have the diversity of expertise and interests. On this body right now.
10:12:16 And I think the commissioners do take into account. The skills and interest that each applicant brings to the table.
10:12:20 There was a choice. In Orange case, with another applicant, they had the, the lavishes and riches there to actually decide the 2 people, but.
10:12:29 That's the way this community is set up. So in a sense, I think, I think if I heard correctly, Chris, when you spoke with Joel, there was this idea like.
10:12:36 What about reserving spot for particular interest like agriculture? I think we're just in a sense. The way it's set up is just you're going to be fortunate and that is something
that probably the board you'll hear this afternoon they take into account.
10:12:48 When they're considering membership. There are other committees that are specifically set up with representation. Like for example, the Marine Resources Committee, I do believe
that there are district representatives, but there's also like aquaculture industry, I believe there's an environmental interest and so forth.
10:13:06 And so they have specific and even exert issue members representing other governments and so forth. That's just the way that body is.
10:13:13 Pretty sure most planning commissions are going to be set up more of a geography based system. Okay.
10:13:19 I just think that since we have a lot of We have really diverse industry or businesses in this economy, but I think it's.
10:13:30 Just coming from the agricultural perspective that it's. We can feed ourselves, right? We get food security.
10:13:38 We could. Bridge goes down. Discounting can eat. And I think it's important to preserve.
10:13:45 That, you know, just in our thoughts.
10:13:51 Development, I think we can be more creative about when you look at the surrounding county, ability to sustain themselves.
10:14:06 It's an issue that becomes more important. And I guess I'm just speaking for my granddaughter and great grandfather.
10:14:17 Brendan Valley and watched their land. Just take it. Cut off his cows from the bar.
10:14:32 You know, it's just, it's important to feed people. That's fine. And it's important to have open spaces.
10:14:39 And You know, like most of the farms do a lot more things besides just raised food. We've had a lot of students from evergreen college coming camp on the farm and projects and
there's just It's just a a good part of the diversity of our county.
10:14:59 Something to think about. Taking back to around 2,000 42,005 right around then We had an effort through the Planning Commission to adopt.
10:15:11 New regulations that enabled more enabled opportunities that were, termed accessory activities to agriculture.
10:15:21 Like for example, just farm stands or echo tourism and those kinds of things. Plus. We did a program where we wanted to see who out there.
10:15:30 Oh, property zones something else, mostly rural residential who wanted their property. Oh zoned agriculture instead to take advantage of those particular regulations for example.
10:15:40 That was all because the GMA was just amended. And when we did that, we hired a person who was a farmer.
10:15:46 And she organized essentially a network. It was really through the department, so it was both informal and formal in the sense, but she was.
10:15:56 Giving out information to this whole group of interested parties receiving information telling us what she heard on the Not on the street but in the field if you will and that
worked really well.
10:16:07 I guess what I'm saying is I encourage you to think about it from that perspective, whether it's formal, like you have a subcommittee of the clinic commission that then tries
to engage a particular community like agriculture or maybe the housing issue.
10:16:19 You have your own housing subcommittee and then you engage a specific group of persons. And try to do outreach on that topic or it's more of the whole committee when we have
meetings that are around those topics, then we collectively do make an effort to engage those communities and get them to come to meetings.
10:16:38 So I would encourage you to think of it that way. But when they do, Put it all in.
10:16:48 And it's gonna stay there. But. It's just, it's part and it's a problem in this county too, I suppose, because only, well, 17% of the land is privately home.
10:17:02 Alright, so we don't have a lot of land. To work with. But you know, not just live perspective, it's important.
10:17:11 People. Lifestyles. The other thing comes to mind is you notice in the packet there's a 2 pager.
10:17:20 From the American Planning Association. American Institute of certified planners. Publication, the practicing planter thing.
10:17:30 So, I'm only bring that up because I'm aware that through the American Planning and and I imagine other planning related organizations, food security or is it's an entire field,
and a lot of it has to do with, you know, folks that live in urban places too that, you know, they can sort of, a food desert, they're not able to get access to good body food instead.
10:17:52 There's like. Their version of our version in the corner store, but their version of the corner star, which is different kinds of products and things that are.
10:17:59 Aren't healthy things. Anyway, as a whole subset, Google it, get into it. But that's, that's another topic that if we don't have enough.
10:18:08 Information in our component that we could add this cycle. We could add some language, some policy language to talks about, and things like that.
10:18:16 So that's another avenue that this planet can sort of take. Before with because it intersects other things intersects like an our development intersects our public health department
and others. It's not just a one entity issue.
10:18:34 It also and the health department and others. It's just a one entity. Farms is No, it's a good way too.
10:18:41 Okay.
10:18:45 So in our discussions about. Representation of diversity. We're talking about some.
10:18:54 Critical needs to represent what's going on at Jefferson County. The aspects of characteristics one being agriculture.
10:19:02 Is there anything that Because if you wanted to propose or an idea you want to pass on to the board.
10:19:10 This afternoon I'll bring this up. I'll keep track of what we talk about. Ask the board to talk to board about.
10:19:16 Less than what they seek in representation when since they're the ones doing the appointments. Is there anything else we want to add to this?
10:19:27 All the board or at least 2 of the BSCC members about this but one of the things I really appreciate about the construction of this board is even when we have members who represented
in history.
10:19:41 You know, LV isn't here as a, an official representative of this company.
10:19:48 He's a, he's a community member, same with Chris. Here's an official representative for farm.
10:19:57 She's a community member who has an understanding of an aspect, an important aspect. So to me that's very important that we sometimes I think in bigger places you see a lot
of people who are on each other's boards and then it becomes sort of a.
10:20:13 A, it's that term, echo chamber. Right, we're all officials of some organization representing and so, you know, some part of my time, my work time I go to this board and this
board in this board in this board. And I, I really think it's important that we have community members on planning.
10:20:35 Cause that, from my point of view, she is representative of a community not of. Other boards and other organizations.
10:20:42 Industries, yes. But not. So that's a really important to me and I've spoken to at least 2 of the, I have a couple of thoughts on this really briefly.
10:20:56 First of all, that it's really not. Or 30 until she use the composition and commission.
10:21:03 It's also. Not our diverse by ourselves other than Right in the word and what we can do is to verify our lines.
10:21:14 By trying to imagine. Another perspective. You know, we did that a lot. You know, some trying to imagine multiple.
10:21:21 Kind of perspectives at once. I think there's democratic. You're the small team inputs or a diversal that's inverse outcome.
10:21:33 You don't. Yeah, So our per view is. If we're lucky to. Bad language to comprehensive plans, direct our work.
10:21:48 And then, like, you pass that to, you know, back to work. Recommendations on how We're lucky pass that to Just try to make them a reality and then and then if that doesn't work,
we'll try again.
10:22:03 And then to try again. And try again until we get to the next conference plan. So. Oh, I just encourage everybody look at democratic outcomes, whether or not we've achieved
played out too.
10:22:19 And if not. Is it possible that some places do a little bit more than or imagine? Before. Sometimes the people that threaten us the most of the ones get most potential.
10:22:32 Hanging up. We did pay a lot of attention to as well. People without homes because we were forced to but state.
10:22:40 But how long do we do that? You know, can we push? The same spirit. Okay.
10:22:52 To achieve those outcomes.
10:22:57 Okay, I'll summarize your room. You know, it's a good point.
10:23:02 We see diversity. Mentioning district 3. We seek representation for our community. In an aspects of the county not solely issue advocacy.
10:23:16 That's, to and achieve as actually democratic review and outcomes.
10:23:25 Sound good and we'll share this with the board and ask what today what's that perspective as the pointers?
10:23:32 What did that? 20Â min away from our Tribal presentation. I expect Mario to appear through the door any moment now and I'll introduce her when she relies.
10:23:47 I wanted to ask a question though. Thinking about the primary function of the planning condition. If you were to have a one sentence very short elevator speech, what would how
would you describe?
10:24:01 The primary function. Functions. And then I'm gonna take that into What, work pref preparation do we do before our meetings and how do we reach out to the ideas about.
10:24:17 Doing those. I got I got a one sense. Yeah, they were all the black conditions integrate, and use into long term land use planning process.
10:24:28 That's good.
10:24:31 What he said.
10:24:38 You. Matt, I already have, yeah, since the last couple months, I've been including the minutes the agenda.
10:24:54 And a short summary of the agenda like you were mentioning. To the, Google, in the quote, community is about 350 people. It's alright.
10:25:05 So every twice a month they get a little L that has the agenda attached. And what in the agenda might be a to somebody in Wow, that's great.
10:25:17 Can you, kind of discuss that some more so maybe that's a best practice we could pick up among the other.
10:25:22 Or look like you're in the, there's something, what were you, you talked when you, you, CC here, right?
10:25:30 Good. We don't really have much to present when it's mostly about. Creating procedures. I don't think you know what you do.
10:25:43 Well, I'll tell you that what I do is what I just said. And the I can see the thought process about this is why it's done the way it is.
10:25:52 There was a couple choices But we have a community web page. Well, we have a a community center that has a webpage.
10:26:02 And we had a booth group that's not within community center. So the choices were to, one choice was to post the minutes on the community standard webpage and I discussed that
with a webmaster and that was fine.
10:26:20 But the problem is that people don't go to the, to their webpage to work. So I didn't do that.
10:26:24 The other choice was to directly contact the. And the ideal way to do that would be to have.
10:26:35 Somebody probably DCD. Join the Google group and hold on. And that's wonderful at first blush.
10:26:48 But doesn't work because then the the UC, gets all the crap. She goes, I'll go with me.
10:26:57 So I decided not to do it that way. Instead, just start doing it on my own. The downside of that is when I get tired of it, it's gonna probably go away.
10:27:06 But, worry about that when I get tired. So that's kind of the whole process and how it's got set up.
10:27:13 And then, and then as far as the, my comments about, I tried very hard not to, If it's something about SMP.
10:27:22 I might say that we're going to discuss it for line master plan. This is about how control lines are regulated.
10:27:29 And somebody might be interested. Something like that. Our community views.
10:27:37 Yeah, if you wanna take that idea and run with it in your own. District that community centers or web pages.
10:27:46 Let's encourage that. This was part of Brent's process as well. Brent had a meeting.
10:27:51 Actually, about outreach. And he invited people in COL, which is almost nobody interested.
10:28:01 And he bought people in Bryn where he lives and he got more interest there. Yeah, and one of the things that came out of that was exactly this kind of a thing where you go to
the local groups.
10:28:12 And he had people there who have a mobile group from Brendan. And I don't think any ever happened, but happened with it.
10:28:19 I don't know. Rachel probably know more about you. Probably talk about that next cycle of outreach.
10:28:25 He's having. So, so, actually, Joe, has started, but it's kinda having trouble, on the ground.
10:28:35 It takes as most ideas. It takes interested party life. Matt, the driving force in housing. It detects somebody who's willing to do the heavy lifting as a word.
10:28:49 Yeah, and Brent's outreach and district 3. Initially promptly because I understand it.
10:28:55 So. Emerging issues with. Plane development and such and.
10:29:02 The responses that he received from people, what is the planning commission? What that can do. So, address, quickly address that would.
10:29:14 If I'm just looking at the time and thinking. Got a few things to say about. Roberts rules a couple things about subcommittees.
10:29:23 But I wanted to go from the community views into. What you do to prepare as far as. Did you look in the record?
10:29:33 Information gathering and analysis to make your recommendations. Is there a way to facilitate that? As far as being prepared.
10:29:45 Before you arrive to Planning Commission meetings so that you have. You know, viewpoints and discussion points to share with everyone.
10:29:54 To take us to the next step. Where the kind of sometimes as staff we look out among you and think they did read the packet or something or they never got the agenda.
10:30:09 You know, that's really frustrating. Is there, Does anyone want to discuss how they repair?
10:30:15 That might be helpful to others.
10:30:19 I think the department in the past has created this problem. Of us not being prepared. What I do like that is often.
10:30:31 We did not get information until the last minute regarding. The meeting. We have kind of a concept from the previous meeting both made on the agenda for the next meeting.
10:30:43 But often they get the agenda. In the appropriate manner to find what we could prepare. And I think all of us over the period of time.
10:30:54 We have reviewed. The call plan. You know, and things of the topic that we might.
10:31:03 Wanna research ourselves. Recently, your team, and I think Cynthia said this earlier, has done a remarkable job.
10:31:14 What we've experienced is that's against speak for anybody else. To get us information in advance to be prepared so that we can read if we want to research, we want to make
notes, we can bring those items up meeting.
10:31:26 So. Let's see what how this works now in my view of how you prepare to get us prepared.
10:31:35 In an advance. But I think it's critical that we don't get information. You know, at least a week in advance, it's difficult for us to prepare.
10:31:46 So they works for her to just stop. And do stuff. I don't work. Okay, I'm retired so I can sit and read and research.
10:31:57 It's easy for me. Chris works a lot of hours. And so it's not easy for Chris to do that.
10:32:04 So the sooner we get the information about. What's gonna go on the meeting what we should be doing is very critical.
10:32:14 To getting you guys what you need. Okay, is it, at times I put out emails with it?
10:32:20 Look at this RCW, check out this chapter to call the plan. And, is that where you're coming from too?
10:32:32 Yes, directed, tasks. And so I think we were talking to a staff. That we need to be more directed.
10:32:38 To help you know what to focus on yes and so you might see more of that.
10:32:48 And I would add to that, the way that's helpful is if I get a really dense email from you, I'm gonna, I'm gonna review it.
10:32:57 I'm gonna like, I get it in the middle of the day and I see that you've emailed and I skim it but if it's got you know 6 topics on it and then I'd skim it.
10:33:15 But if it's got, you know, 6 topics on it and then I go that back to try and find it.
10:33:21 But if it's got, you know, 6 topics on it and then I go that back to try and find it, it can be specific topic and it's easier to find again when I'm like, okay, Joel, you know
us about that.
10:33:26 I need to go back and find it and it's not buried in. So they task, this is your task for the next meeting.
10:33:30 Read this and I guess even just not at any class or fine but just the subject helps. So that we can find it again because you know we all get 1 million emails.
10:33:41 For the record, Kevin joined the workshop. And again, I wanna emphasize, thank you. You and your team putting this out more properly for us.
10:33:54 And since we've been since I've been on this commission, I've not had that.
10:33:58 So thank you for that. Our Friday's finally enough. I guess. So how about the next step in the planning commissions?
10:34:12 Primary functions. They can find Do you have a technique and when you're going through information you say, this is something I'm in the basement decision finding number one.
10:34:25 So that you kinda know what the record looks like or what you were basing the decision on. Is that part of your process or?
10:34:32 We. I work that direction. I don't wanna throw out.
10:34:37 Question in front of what Arn was gonna add. This might be a good segue to that, which is it's helpful for me at least, again, being new.
10:34:45 Each topic is kind of strained in terms of here. Here are the options or here's the action.
10:34:51 That the planning commission is being called on to consider. I know it's helpful during some of the SNP stuff.
10:34:59 Install the material. Few different options and what they wouldn't buy. No, be like that but just calling that app too like here's we're still in kind of the Identifying idea
generation stage, but just call that.
10:35:18 And you have to, but. Here are some things to think about. We'd like the planning commission to.
10:35:25 Think about what other what's missing here or what. What is the task?
10:35:43 Delay. I, to sort of follow on and comment. I agree that last time it was really helpful when we were stuck.
10:35:55 And we have said, you know, we took a vote and we're like, reach agreement. It really helped the discussion next time.
10:36:04 For me to have them come up with some possibilities as long as everybody remembers the planning commission can recommend anything they want.
10:36:14 As long as everybody remembers, cause that's important to me that we. Don't look at those options as the only options.
10:36:21 But I did find that very helpful for them to do a little work to say, you know, option ABC or whatever.
10:36:29 I thought that didn't help move it along, even though we didn't end up, I didn't end up the green.
10:36:34 I still, I still thought it helped the discussion.
10:36:41 Thank you for the to the ship then I'm just looking at the clock we have about 10Â min.
10:36:48 The
10:36:51 Training session barn Roberts rules and working in subcommittees. My thinking. Third with you is that.
10:37:00 We decided last year, our day in 2,021, I remember which retreat that subcommitted is a good way to continue to work.
10:37:09 That's planning commissioners wanted work forward on top and but DCD doesn't have time.
10:37:13 We were kind of getting you the the, permission and encouragement to form a sub-. So we have our housing outreach.
10:37:27 I think that is a helpful way to keep. Work going forward. Though from our perspective it's kind of becoming a black hole sometimes.
10:37:39 And, I think Grant gave a presentation. February, 2022 at our retreat in Brandon.
10:37:48 That for subcommittees give us minutes of your meetings or Where? What you're meeting and talking about so that we can do our reporting as well.
10:38:00 Is that something that is on your minds with the subcommittee chairs? Keeping track of minutes. And be back to It hasn't been on my radar.
10:38:17 For stock plans, but we've also pretty much wrapped stock plans. That's a very public process too.
10:38:25 That's a very public process too that's they didn't have noticed and it was also in conjunction with the city and noticed and it was also in conjunction with the city or towns.
10:38:30 The city partners did a great job. Exactly. 1Â s. It's all now that we come to see the inclusion on that.
10:38:47 Although I'm sure it's some, or something slightly different. Show the board account commission accepted.
10:38:57 This will become documentation for the full planning commission at the time of the sub-c to bring us forward, a recommendation to the pool, as well.
10:39:10 And that's what I know that's done there. If they're kinda something, yeah, I've got, yeah.
10:39:13 Because you are mostly just in the early time and waiting for. Yeah. Gotcha. And these, I've made it some documentation for a sub community on a regular basis.
10:39:26 I can, I can, very vertical. And I wouldn't want to load that.
10:39:30 On the subcomm. Is there a way that they can provide a minimum amount of information? Is there a but is this there a one or 2 sentence thing that was upgraded to generate was
satisfied your needs?
10:39:44 Yes, in that, I think. Open public meetings act and makes a distinction that some communities don't have to have recordings.
10:39:54 And the full level of documentation, but So I guess the. It would help to define what we need and what you may need bringing forward.
10:40:10 I think, as you'll see in the annual report, our subcommittees have a purpose statement.
10:40:16 We want to be sure that is up to date. If your committee, committee wants to expand something or change the purpose statement, that'll be something we all wanna know about.
10:40:27 And then the short summaries of, yeah, we, met 3 times and, we're working on these issues.
10:40:35 Or we think we might be bringing. A motion to the Planning Commission to do backs lazy.
10:40:42 That's kind of the level of information. Yeah. And who was there maybe? Do you have any there?
10:40:51 Just a date and I can't think of the reason I would use that. That's mine.
10:40:59 That's how I think I would use it. And how it could be helped to the full planning commission to see the summary of.
10:41:06 This is what we did to get here. Or maybe your findings that you develop that you want to. See if the rest, that'll get followed to work, but on, on meeting by being basis,
the one sentence.
10:41:21 And we've got second. We've got second. We discussed this. Yes.
10:41:25 And, we, we always want to watch the purpose. Of the subcommittee and I guess all of these retreats have focused on alignment.
10:41:36 Our work plan in order to get a commissioners. Charge to us and the state requirements so that we're needing those and aligning our efforts to get.
10:41:48 That kind of leverage. That's me all I wanted to. Mentioned about that and it doesn't involve all of you, you know.
10:41:56 Maybe quickly for leaving subcommunities. That's been asking for help on outreach for quite a while.
10:42:03 Look into your arms. See if you have time. To provide input and participate on that. That right, man.
10:42:11 Yeah, Matt, what's your view on the minutes of documentation? As a chair,
10:42:22 Well.
10:42:28 I just feel so frustrated, you know. Cause I put in just a lot, a lot of hours.
10:42:37 And, And I, I feel like I have to wait a lot for, engagement. And, And so that then analyze what more do I have to do.
10:42:51 It just seems really, I'm just trying to play cool and be a team player and understand the department's had a lot of trouble.
10:43:01 And and I've been trying to give everything I've got, you know, like my life depends on it.
10:43:07 Cause a lot of people don't depend on it. And,
10:43:14 And that's that's just top here. So, I mean, I'll do whatever I want.
10:43:19 You ask me for 2, 300 pages worth of notes. I give to you, you know, copied out of the GMA and copied off.
10:43:26 Anything, you know, like. Like, you know, you want citations, you know, yeah, but I didn't anybody got really 30 pages and said, it's just what we're gonna do.
10:43:37 Are we clear that what we are asking for just you know that you met and that yeah and I understand I'm like totally happy to help do anything you want to do always set that
voiced on that and just I'm just, that we could devote some time and stuff.
10:43:57 It's expressing. You all know how I feel about that. So I don't need that.
10:44:00 That's why I say, maybe I, the way I'm interpreting this, for thinking about it is Is more, perhaps we should build in more.
10:44:09 Reporting out or briefing or encouraging more. Room discussion around what the sub committees may have already explored.
10:44:17 Like in other words. A sub-committing meeting just by the way we set it up is not an open, doesn't require minutes per second but This one, that's why we set it up that way
so that the stuff community just can need and discuss and work on stuff.
10:44:29 That's more like maybe we should build into our planning commission agendas. This report out so that you can feel like, okay, you're as a subcommittee member, you're reporting
out to the full group what you've been talking about and then you're soliciting specific feedback or you're making a recommendation to follow this path or something like that.
10:44:47 Maybe that would encourage that engagement. Right. I mean, for anybody who doesn't know the housing, have been looking at a parallel path, kind of an alternative to what we
were looking at last year.
10:44:57 And it's not clear if it's better or not, but it's something that we were working on.
10:45:01 Over email and once it's finalized since we've read it's kind of done for us to be sent out to everything but not everybody knows and really that's our meeting.
10:45:11 And we sent it, but we're talking about how to keep those for. Discussing what we said.
10:45:17 It is in the black hole right now. So, but it's not official yet. Yeah. Well, why?
10:45:25 And I really think that what you produced and then you know Chris and our responses and then you know Chris and our responses and flushing that a little bit I would bet that
in my opinion that's what's ready back to the planning commission.
10:45:36 Cause it's a, it's a good bite. Yeah, yeah, and some of the research I've been finding, I sent you a couple of fores of data from the government and from universities, you know,
for Australia to North America on.
10:45:56 Have some of the approach we're looking at communicatively. Effects not only in good ways the environment but the people who live.
10:46:06 That way, the fastest being a couple of this. And it'd be good to make sure we're also still staying on task with what.
10:46:14 You were just saying if if we're shifting a little bit on some of our process, make sure that everybody understands the Keep going.
10:46:23 Yeah, even some of the, one of the 2 of the comments I had about, hey, really need public health ch in some of this, or maybe we don't, it'd be good to find out, you know, DCD
said, hey, you know, let's get to one of the meetings.
10:46:36 At public health, make sure, you know, they're on board, for whatever reason.
10:46:48 Yeah, we're at a time. I'm sorry. We're at a time. I'm sorry. We can pick this up.
10:46:51 Okay. In our closing remarks. Okay, so that's helpful. Let's do address the other item.
10:47:00 On our training session, rather, from a border for small groups, they're just 2 points I wanted to make and I put these training pieces in your.
10:47:08 Packet so you can refer to that later. But first, as we, as these often say as we often.
10:47:16 Do in small groups, keep it simple and informal. You don't always need to go through the formal process of motion and second, but we're talking about.
10:47:27 Let me see the meeting agenda, for example. Looks good, you know, by acclamation. So I was, I was encouraging Richard to.
10:47:36 Dispense of some of the formalities, a little bit of stuff. The second item is. When you do have a motion, be very clear and had us read it back.
10:47:49 The secretary for the chair read it back so that we don't have any Sue, we're very clear about that.
10:47:56 And that's something we can improve upon generally. We do well. I mean, our meetings run well.
10:48:00 Perry does a tremendous job keeping this on task and keeping our discussions focused. We, out these materials.
10:48:08 Thought they were pretty good representations of. Tips or small groups. There's probably many other things out there in terms of parliamentary procedure, but if you after reading
through the materials, if you have any questions or you want to talk about that again and then the next meeting.
10:48:26 Hey, we want to adopt this aspect or not that aspect. Just let us know, but really it's just me to think about.
10:48:31 It's a big time to get us off back on time that are against it. Okay, I'd like to introduce, going to help present information about its title participation with the local jurisdictions
planning and development process.
10:48:48 We have a spot for you right here. Good. Yeah, Okay, so, Marla was at our last planet commission meeting and, and I'll introduce Marlon was at our last planet commission meeting
and I'll introduce Marla again as the environmental planners for the And we also have misty eyes, tribal, historic, Hello.
10:49:22 And, okay, Stand by. So the way we're gonna do this, power is I'm gonna run through a quick PowerPoint to introduce some of the issues we have.
10:49:36 In Jefferson County that we might recognize, and be addressing in the future. And then Barlow is going to go over to greater detail upon participation.
10:49:46 And then, this is going to lead us in the discussion. Okay. Okay. Lead us in the discussion about, land activation and what those are and, and what it's all about and how we
could have one ourselves.
10:50:04 Okay.
10:50:09 If our A. I'm not, so I'll start out with. My PowerPoint.
10:50:17 Just gonna provide a little background to set the stage for the next coming. It's I'm sorry.
10:50:37 Okay, so the the PACE mission feedback to to us is that you wanted training on driver participation since coming out with the new legislation and in GMA.
10:50:49 And then, you'd also ask for, septic system training or issues.
10:50:56 That's coming, Randy, Marks, from the Barton Cup is going to address you on March eighth the first meeting in March.
10:51:04 You know, the whole thing, what restrictions there are. Okay, good. So first. First, So here's the history and then hopefully end with a little bit about the plant mission role
to T our other 2 speakers.
10:51:22 And I'm gonna point to George from slide to dancing. Okay, next slide. Yeah. Okay, these are the tribal entities that, community development reaches out to when we have projects.
10:51:43 Not always everyone, depending on the location, the nature of the project. But, we address the Kunal, in the nation, whole tribe.
10:51:50 The call tried, what do you, lower, Do. The kernel, nation and whole tribe.
10:52:02 Have reservation. The other tribes, we keep in contact with they have, Next slide. And the peak part is where it comes into Jefferson County.
10:52:20 We're gonna focus on this. And, in. Our subject slides and then come back to this issue.
10:52:27 So put history from 1851. If you recognize this painting, it's kind of iconic.
10:52:34 This is Mathes Destiny. And this was the idea that Westward expansion is our right to, in fact, our religious responsibility and as far as they took that.
10:52:49 So the first. Of, several, historic.
10:52:57 Apps from our federal government. I'm missing a lot of just zeroing on the on the Hi, is the Indian Appropriations Act at 1851 there will be several Indian Appropriations Act
following this 1851.
10:53:14 You'll notice I've got some names off on the side that just kind of float along with the slides.
10:53:19 These are our presidential. Our presidents of the United States to give you some historical perspective of where these actually coming from.
10:53:31 What was going on in 1861 to 1865? The American Civil War and that's also the tenure of our president.
10:53:42 Excellent. So the. Treaties and geographic areas of the tribes in Jefferson County.
10:53:52 Address our treaty of medicine creek that's in yellow here And is this highlighting enough?
10:54:02 Yes. The, is in yellow, but I'm not really sure. Yet someone can tell me whether that's part of the Treaty Medicine Creek, 1854.
10:54:11 And then you notice, you can 55 or all these other trees. Point no point tree. That's in the green here.
10:54:21 Treat me a day at the gym. That's it. Training put all rigor. That's this color.
10:54:30 Is the large red area. Next slide. Okay. How's that?
10:54:41 Okay, so then the, the, the, We no longer recognize. Indians as independent as independent nations by third government.
10:54:54 Each It is treated as individual and legally designated as wards as a better This was the period of assimilation.
10:55:02 When. Trying to convert the culture Indian cultures to an American European cultures. So we've got Andrew Johnson and this is Grant.
10:55:14 Along this.
10:55:19 And if I Sometimes I don't know, but this I'm copying out of references when they say India's rather Native Americans.
10:55:30 So this the references I used may have a certain. Time factor of a language and I apologize if I'm not out today.
10:55:40 Next, we'll see if it's an appropriation app, 1885.
10:55:43 Our president Chester Arthur. I was president then. This back is the map. The Indian territory, Oklahoma area.
10:55:54 So, this. Procreation Act allowed Indian tribes to individual and to sell on the unoccupied lands they claimed to be their own.
10:56:03 So, it took lands. Out from the offices of the federal government. As a trustee and a lot of individual sales.
10:56:19 This is when Oklahoma boomers were entering Indian territory. They were saying, oh, these are unassigned lens.
10:56:23 We're going to go out and clean them. But I used to live in Oklahoma, so I was aware of some of the history with the next slide please with the Oklahoma land rush.
10:56:34 And, we'll get into some more of that. So the DOS Act of, 1,987 also called the general allotment app.
10:56:43 It regulated land rights on travel territories. Allowed the tribes option to sell the lands that remain.
10:56:49 After the Yeah, you see this poster. And in my in the West, we have all these states.
10:56:59 Washington is there. Look at all this. We have all these states. Washington is there.
10:57:00 Look at all this acreage. It's up for grabs.
10:57:02 Or the Look at all these dangers and you're getting irrigatable. Was the thought of the time.
10:57:14 So the combination of them, this is a quote from, It's She did well in a book, The culmination of American attempts to destroy tribes and their governments had to Open Indian
lands to settle it by non-Indians and to development by railroads.
10:57:34 Yeah, Grover Cleveland here coming out to Lincoln. So this this era of our country, we were doing Westburg expansion with the railroads and railroads had a big lobby.
10:57:43 And they were, And that's part of the Western group. So we go back to the Kunal Indian Reservation.
10:57:51 This is a quote from. Hey. Superior Court case, State Superior Court case between, well, in the, portions of reservation and travel lands allotted to individual Indians by the
mid 19 eighties 30% of the reservations alive the land had been transferred to non-Idian ownership Next one.
10:58:14 So, put all in the nation, it was, reservation, that treated this. And this was under.
10:58:26 Cleveland. So between 1905 and 1834 most of the last you know reservation were allotted in trust status by United States, 2 individual.
10:58:37 Okay, so it's starting to pass out of. The potential for passcode.
10:58:45 Along with 99. So Grover Cleveland, keep open, not all these.
10:58:53 No, they're done. Or assigned lands to the Homestead. And this is an actual picture of a land brush.
10:59:04 This is probably the Oklahoma. Boomers. There's a term also for those who's prepped out ahead of the home.
10:59:12 That, they were running ahead of the boomers. Next slide. So then come along with Franklin Roosevelt.
10:59:19 This is where there's a shift in our. There's any in reorganization.
10:59:29 Act back to 34 or a wheeler. So this was what they called the Indian New Deal.
10:59:32 With this gentleman here Yeah, Jim, It's behind here. Was working with the bureau of India.
10:59:43 There's, So there are going to reverse the traditional goal of popular simulation. Of Native American society and provide the tribes.
10:59:54 We. Okay, restored management of their assets, the land and all rights, give them sound economic foundation.
11:00:03 It's didn't turn out as expected. Some of it. Or week, on this criticism.
11:00:14 It didn't really do what we wanted to do next. So I looked at the county agreements with tribes, bring me back home here.
11:00:23 So we talked about how we got to this point and we're gonna look at, in specifically in a moment.
11:00:27 We have a resolution number 1 34 92. So, 1992. Through a lot of work between, an all Indian nation, Jefferson County and Mason County.
11:00:38 Recognize that there are these private landing buildings within the reservation. How are we going to manage them.
11:00:47 They're paying taxes to the county. They want development permits, they get them from the tribe or they hit them from the county.
11:00:53 And, This, Set up the inter local agreement to the steady. That issue. So looking in this area, in Jefferson County.
11:01:10 We've got in the paint is you are say trustee and all alienation. So the bureau, We have some blue spots here.
11:01:23 Privately held Okay. So, just a quick explanation about the types of land ownership.
11:01:33 We will exclude seated glass and seated lands for those. Large areas that I outlined in the state of Washington with these treaties at least.
11:01:42 Areas that are no longer under travel control were seated to the United States of America through treaty. And are no longer in that.
11:01:51 Under travel. So today there's 2 major types of Native American land. It's trust land.
11:01:58 Where there's federal government holds legal title, the beneficial interest for the tribe. These are known as allotments.
11:02:05 Or fee land purchased by trials. Where the pride will acquire a little time either by the.
11:02:13 With a prolination or by individuals. This is the, with the, land within tribal lands. This would be Jefferson County tax parcels owned by.
11:02:26 But, try it first. And so that's kind of where. Our issues.
11:02:36 So this is, Hey, Data, for the. And look at this as kind of the green background and you'll see a lot of.
11:02:47 Variability here. But the green background is, in all Indian nation. In its entirety.
11:02:54 And these light shaded ones are, you're a big Indian of their administered allotments.
11:02:59 The darker ones you see here are none. You know, all idiot nation beat parcels. There are some pink things which are US forest service control allowance but you'll see there's
quite a checkerboard that a US forest service control allowance but you'll see there's quite a checkerboard that occurs through the history of that the resignation spot.
11:03:18 When they were allowed to. S.
11:03:29 Also, the whole tribe receives something similar. The whole, Oh, the red parcels all the way up.
11:03:38 And these down here. The travel for the reservation battery is And, that's the, the U.S.A. trustee.
11:03:51 Okay, in reservation.
11:03:55 There are some parcels there within U.S.A. Trustee.
11:04:01 Those are help and trust by a nation. So here I'm gonna intersect a little bit with our county Zoom.
11:04:08 This is the home reservation. We see a lot of, 10. Acre and 20 acre and some forest parcels.
11:04:18 That intersect in overlay. With some of the tribal ownership. Next slide.
11:04:25 There is a policy of the to trust where you can there's a process for taking these the ownership and getting them back into the tribal trust.
11:04:39 There's some there's a lot of background there and how that's done. So Let's say I tried once to remove some of the checkerboarding.
11:04:50 They have a process and putting in fact. Let's see. And then I'm gonna take a quick P tour to another topic is.
11:04:58 What the county does as far as ensuring that we're not damaging cultural resources, cultural historic.
11:05:05 So, the National Desert Preservation Act in 1966 was federal legislation that set up. These, protections and controls.
11:05:14 Does anyone know who this is? Yes, a true Texas treasure. John I knew Georgia would have it.
11:05:26 So is that the state historic preservation hypothesis or Shippo's, that would be within our department.
11:05:32 We'll start presentation. It puts, it's going to provide this national register of historic places and then a section 1 6 process section 106.
11:05:43 Is from the National Stort Preservation Act. It's process of consultation. As the tribes, for resources.
11:05:51 And then of course our governor, he updated the previous supporters quarter. It's now executive order 2102, the archaeological resources.
11:05:59 And so we have an inadvertent, archaeological discovery. Tong, this is what we call inadvertent discovery plan.
11:06:05 Yeah, so it comes from state legislation, our. Wax about archeology and then regulations about how you handle human events.
11:06:14 So we get this, in our discovery plan to people who are digging in particular areas in Canada.
11:06:19 To get their heads up. There could be. That artifacts or cultural resources. And our discovery plan provides process, phone numbers, contact days for.
11:06:30 Okay, the sort of presentation contacts. State historic preservation officer, Tribal Historic Pressonation Officers.
11:06:39 The Jet Share. So, so now we're gonna be looking at health bill, 1717, 2022.
11:06:47 When we're talking about travel participation, we as planning commission need to understand the historical context so we can properly coordinate the trust.
11:06:57 That could be whether their reservation or UNA, right? The context that they are in. We need to understand which tribes, There is some questions still.
11:07:09 Oh, what's our listed tribes responsible? Per H. 17. And, people.
11:07:18 Better evolve tribes in our country wide planning policy collaboration. Just talking about as we pick off the Growth Management Steering Committee.
11:07:27 And look at our category.
11:07:31 So, last is our recommendations. To the board is what the commission does. So we might.
11:07:38 In our greater awareness that we're developing. Look at which tribes and try to interests are involved in your planning commissioner representations.
11:07:46 Our tried to interest as part of the record and that your decisions are based on. That's it.
11:07:55 So, we will move next to
11:08:03 Okay. With your Right.
11:08:19 I 3, I have a presentation with a little different topic. From that, so my name is Martha Powers. I'm gonna, on that. So my name's Martha Powers.
11:08:30 I'm an environmental planner for, a little over 2 years now. And, my background, I, I got my degree in urban and regional planning from Eastern Washington University.
11:08:42 We back in 2,001. I've got 20 years of land use experience working with public agencies all across the state and for city school can university place, Yakima County, and the
city of Paulsville.
11:08:55 And, I've been really having a strong learning her with my career change moving to the.
11:09:01 To the tribe. So I've enjoyed. My transition and, the work I do here is really fantastic and it's some seed not much planning you can have to, try us.
11:09:12 So. What Joel promised was that might,
11:09:19 Kids are county is going through their 2024 comprehensive plan update right now. They've been they started last year and they're due to adopt it by December of 2024.
11:09:28 And so we've been working with them as, of coordinating in a coordinating fashion, with Okay, the, TRIED and so, so far they scheduled, every other week to meet with them, talk
about. Public.
11:09:48 Comment period coming up or they've got a planning commissioner workshop or if they've got an open house or or anything that's that we want.
11:09:56 Fire knowledge of or discussion before can so we can be kind of prime with comments or that they can receive comments that we have issues that we have with what they're doing.
11:10:06 So they can try to address that before it gets to the public level. So to help alleviate any any, I guess upfront issues that they might have by the tribes.
11:10:17 So we've been talking to the county every other week for a year and we're gonna continue doing that as we go through the process.
11:10:25 The agenda is very flexible. It's either based on the work that they're doing or questions that we have.
11:10:34 If we're, and part of my job is to be new county permits. And if I can't find the information I need to be able to review the current.
11:10:40 We bring it to that group. We're like, Hey, it said that there was a weapon report associated with this project, but we don't see it online, how can I get to it?
11:10:53 And so they will send it to us and we'll, the information we need. So it's also a good.
11:10:55 For needing measure to make sure that we kind of get the information we need as we move through permanent processes and also for long, So that's been very helpful.
11:11:04 And things that I have done with the county is that I attend every public meeting they have that we needed to.
11:11:11 I'm in the plan, try to treat your eyes, that's a lot can be correlated with.
11:11:19 So I go to public meetings or houses, I go to the attendees, and I go to some of their Border County Commission meetings.
11:11:26 Depending on the topic. I also am the county's point of contact if they want to.
11:11:32 And by the time to do, government to government meeting, then they'll coordinate with me and I'll make it happen.
11:11:39 So I'm coordinating another government to government meeting with the, yes, the county just sent out.
11:11:47 So that we can talk about the issues that, we see with the EAS and get that kind of covered before the close.
11:11:55 And, and part of my job is to provide those written comments to the current staff so that they know where the tribe stands on certain projects.
11:12:05 And even though we have stated our issues, certain things, they still continue to move forward. So it just gives both parties a lot of.
11:12:15 Background, documentation of states on this issue was discussed. What was stated and kind of just the background to it.
11:12:24 Yes. Well, could you explain what a government to government meeting is. You know, consultation versus some other kind of.
11:12:31 Interaction between treasure sure it's kind of a formal request to talk to the tribe without a specific issue.
11:12:39 And generally a government to government meeting is a leadership level. People who made the decisions. About the topic that's being covered.
11:12:48 So, our travel council will include any leaders like the natural resources director. She's the primary decision maker on that.
11:12:57 And then, it has to be someone from the other agency that is also the decision-maker.
11:13:05 So, Yeah, department of ecologies, main person or county commissioners would be talking at the government to government meeting and then they'll bring their staff so that The
topic can be covered in both.
11:13:21 And generally, is consultation meetings or staff. So generally, staff is the one that writes the recommendations and kind of discusses and talks about the topic to the travel
council so they know what topic it is.
11:13:32 But it's usually vetted through the staff level first. That's the step, both agencies.
11:13:38 Generally. Did that answer your question? Thank you for paying that up. So that's kind of how I think working with Kitsap County.
11:13:50 It seems to work pretty well. It's a lot more, communication than I've had with, Jefferson County so far, but it would be great to like get some more communication going so
that we can attention to your processes and you're kinda like planning policies and getting a working together.
11:14:04 So. Good to hear all of those things. I can go to the next slide or change topics to travel 3, right?
11:14:12 So I know Joe covered like the history of it. But there's talking a moment for that. Please, We'll probably talk, Thank you.
11:14:26 And speaking of directions, please feel free to ask me any questions anytime. Happy. I want to be here to answer your questions, not just to kind of, on things that you're not
interested in.
11:14:35 So keep it, keep it relevant. So yeah, what is Indian Treaty? You know, Joel talked about like the development of them, but I just wanted to like describe that they're the supreme
law of the land.
11:14:49 They were authorized by the federal law of the land. They were authorized by the federal government before Washington was a state.
11:14:54 34 years back before Washington was a. They were authorized by the federal government before Washington was a state.
11:14:58 34 years back before Washington was a state where these laws enshr only Congress can modify them.
11:15:00 Enter the quick question. I don't know if you go to Out of Joel's presentation, but do you know how many federally recognized?
11:15:08 Is it 20 another? And one of the topics I want to talk about is the culvert conjunction.
11:15:21 I don't know if you're aware of that or not, but it was a case where the federal government joined the tribes to.
11:15:31 I don't know if you're aware of that or not, but it was a case where the federal government joins the tribes to, aware of that or not, but it was a case where the federal government
joined the tribes to make sure the federal government joins the tribes to, make sure the state fixed its federal facility or at state facilities federally recognized tribal tribes are
involved in the 13.
11:15:48 31. Okay. Yes, so 21 tribes. So that's a pretty high number of family recognized.
11:15:58 That's a 31 because I was thinking there are a couple of that are out of Washington state that actually interest within the state. I was at 31 because I was thinking there are
a couple of tribes that are out of Washington state that actually interest within the state.
11:16:09 Yes Okay, what's the usual and a custom areas. Sorry, excellent question. Used to that.
11:16:18 So here is straight from the tree language, point of point trading of 1855. Article 4 states the right of taking fish at usual in the custom ground sensations is further secured
to said Indians.
11:16:30 So that's something that.
11:16:35 Allow the chiefs who were signing this to agree to see their lands because they knew that the fish were the most important thing to their people and they were guaranteed fish
at all their usual, So that was a key piece in a treaty.
11:16:53 And we'll talk about it in the next slide.
11:16:56 So it's called the fishing clause and, again, in exchange for the land that tried to guaranteed a red off resolution fishing.
11:17:05 That essentially is identical and almost every single, tribal treaty that was signed. And, and this, this just.
11:17:12 Clarified that the fish were as necessary to the Indians as the atmosphere. They need to breathe. They need to eat.
11:17:19 There was just very important to them. And, in, 2021 there was this.
11:17:25 The beginning of the Colbert injunction where 21 tribes joined and they filed the complaint stating that. Fish habitat was being impacted by fish passage warriors and state
facilities.
11:17:37 And so, not only were the tribes trying to like you know, the guarantee of fish. It was important, but does that guarantee a fish, implicitly?
11:17:49 Describe the protection of habitat. Yes, just for clarity for audio. You said 2021 and I see 2,001.
11:18:00 And 2,001. 21 Indian. Yeah, they're joined. So thank you.
11:18:05 Yeah. Good. So This is also so, tides can take fish out of the water that is kind of stated very clearly in their tree and also protection of habitat so that they can continue
continue to take fish out of water.
11:18:22 So it's a joint kind of It's become more of a law case. Legal basis for tribal treaty rights where it's been approved by
11:18:34 Case law that they can take their fish and they need to protect the habitat. So next slide. I asked what was their reason of the other 8.
11:18:43 Treaty, try to Washington, join. That, that's a good question. I know that this is a really, really long running case.
11:18:53 We're in 2024 right now and they initially put that complaint and then 200. And, one.
11:18:58 And so it took. 6 years to get the court to agree that the statements to refrain from like building these barriers.
11:19:06 But I think a lot of the other, if you look, there's a map next slide.
11:19:12 This shows the area and I think the eastern Washington tribes felt less affected by this specific case and we had the Northwest Indian Fishery Commission is the organization
that kind of organized the 21 tribes and their legal.
11:19:29 Case. So we they had someone specific to help them and maybe the Eastern Washington tribes did not have as much.
11:19:38 So like I said, this is every little on pace and kind of built on a cell. It protected the, both decision and.
11:19:48 I want this book just for how to ask it around, natural resources director, bought a book for all staff.
11:19:54 Both both, 7 or 4. Okay. That's right. This is the fifth year anniversary of that.
11:20:00 Yes.
11:20:03 So both decision, guaranteed Indians fish, 50% of all fish that are hardest to bowl.
11:20:11 Was given to the tribes. And then this case is kind of pushing into that habitat protection piece of it.
11:20:18 So it went on to appeal and more appeals and it kept getting upheld and finding made it to the Supreme Court of United States and 2018.
11:20:26 Where it was a firm by equally divided court so it's a decision already been kind of
11:20:33 Agreed to and it goes to the pool. The second part and they're split, then the decision that was brought to them is the one that stays.
11:20:41 And Justice Kennedy is the one who, abstained and took no decision. In the case at all.
11:20:47 So, yeah. And so here, this is kind of the cross of a big part of my job right now is to work with watchdog and go out on site visits for, their barriers and kind of work with
watchdog and go out on site visits for culverts, their barriers and kind of work with them to define kind of the type of stream and the type of, fish passes bury
11:21:06 their And they're done on his twenty-thirty, so it's coming up. Okay, next slide.
11:21:10 Another case, you know, chronology, but it started in 2,000 to talk about litigation requests, 13 years of district.
11:21:17 Cord, LICATION, I'd use the fetus, 18 years of interment, 10 years, from, of, a, combination accounting, so we've got only 6 years left.
11:21:26 So here's an epitome this and it does this is the blue is the Una or not.
11:21:34 It's the that Covert and Junction area case law area. Yeah. So that this is, you know, most of the tribes are kind of in this area and the, of them are out.
11:21:46 Like I'm sure they're watching and they're trying to kind of replicate that. But, as you can guess, like the red squares, they're watching and they're trying to kind of definitely
take that.
11:21:53 But, as you can guess, like the red squares are the ones that are like a hundred percent fish passage barriers.
11:21:55 Orange ones are like partial barriers so those can be anywhere from like they have a 30% or 60% fish passage.
11:22:04 So those can be anywhere from like they have a 30% or 60% this passage barrier kind of threshold and then this one doesn't show the ones that have been completed.
11:22:12 And they have been completing some, but the projects are pretty big and they're getting. Kind of pretty unwieldy in.
11:22:17 And you're probably gonna have a lot of construction impacts. Yes. So next slide. So this focused on, and county, but you can't see the lines, for, unless you have your links,
so, like, I'm here, but here.
11:22:35 So this is all of, you know, County, get some phones, some other accounts in there too.
11:22:40 But this is, you can see the, they've been doing some correction so they're making some progress.
11:22:45 And I think the next slide. Yes, this is the wash dots work plan. This is how they're showing the tribes that they're gonna actually achieve.
11:22:53 The 2030 deadline. So for some, Jefferson, Helen, I just, you know, the annual account.
11:23:01 So they have under construction, they'll have. 14 projects under construction. I think beginning. Zoom or ongoing right now.
11:23:09 So, 14 now, they're initiating some very designs at 0. Are in the hopper for now, but they're gonna initiate it more by, 2025.
11:23:22 And so that'll be that'll be it for Jefferson County for. The passage barriers for Washington.
11:23:30 But, as you can see, they've got. Lots everywhere, but this is just for section count.
11:23:38 And next slide.
11:23:40 Your 6 year transportation improvement program does include a number of dish passage barriers too. A lot of them are from, travel unlimited. From the sponsor for a lot of these
projects.
11:23:51 And so, I think Then we're at the year at Eats. Over various projects on our 6 year TE.
11:24:00 So that's great and it's it'll be good if you can coordinate sometimes the state facilities and like downstream or upstream.
11:24:10 Jefferson County. Folver so we can really open up that string more kind of collectively rather than just the state being able to do their keys and that other people doing, you
know, something that happens to them.
11:24:21 Coordination being really good. And I know that, we've been able to work with some private landowners too to like fornate was a with a COVID that's like you know 50 feet away
like okay this project doesn't work unless we do this over 2 so there's a lot of coordination that's happening and it's good to see.
11:24:39 Jackson County have these on our plans. So that's great. Next slide. Here's an example.
11:24:47 I don't know if you get over to the K, too often, but, if you're driving on highlight 3.
11:24:55 Towards for, there's this huge, huge project that, they're just wrapping up.
11:25:04 Yeah. Can you tell me so that's 3? What's the big gray line going?
11:25:19 Yeah, so it's too little. And part of this project actually Move all over the on and off rants because they saw that they were in the way of these other trips that were coming
in.
11:25:33 And so the best way to deal with that was to just totally. Avenue on conference. So the kind of expanded the project and it turned into a big thing.
11:25:43 They worked with the SIPPLE, pretty heavily on that. And I think another, the next slide has a little bit more.
11:25:51 So this is Chico Creek and there's some pictures of you can't even see like the pole room slowly, sedimented.
11:26:01 It was buried in vegetation. This was an outlet. It was the forward. This looks like a great in street.
11:26:07 And so now you, that you have like. Actual stream bed and you have some large, to breed, the rib wards, interacting with water and you have the general slope and it's going
to be.
11:26:22 So planting and you can see that it moves a little bit and there's plenty of space underneath the structure for.
11:26:28 Hi water, flooding for any debris that's gonna come get pushed through and get stuck.
11:26:35 So that's Chico Creek and I think I have one more example. The next slide.
11:26:41 Over in Jefferson County. So this one is, I don't know if many of you are held up by that construction.
11:26:49 But, I got to visit all 3 of these sites. And. You know, sometimes you go out there and the stream looks really bad.
11:26:56 Like it's just like a total ravine and it's got blackberries and it's not functioning very well.
11:27:02 You know, it's got blackberries and it's not functioning very well. But, you know, making these improvements will make a big difference to creating more half chess.
11:27:14 Has been long enough yet to see if these COVID, They're ready. We need to move faster.
11:27:27 Yeah. Yeah, after a small fish bearing stream goes through my farm and I know for years that fries can't count them.
11:27:40 And it's just really interesting. But it seems to be flawed now the I'm not getting fish up there so is there I don't know if it's the tribe or who who does the Stream on a
really life to start up.
11:27:55 String line project because it is a small stream and I'll see. 20 pounds sounds when they look good.
11:28:06 Yeah, it sounds like a very productive stream. I don't know. Are you interested in working on that over the barrier or you just wanna well it's it does go over the road there
is a like that's why I'm wondering who I talk to find out what's the road name.
11:28:24 What it goes under 101 right? Well seen right but I think it actually goes to the school grounds.
11:28:30 Okay. And, I'm ask because like, oh, is it, or is it a wash time?
11:28:44 I don't want to wash Right, but it does. I'm just amazed. Yeah, you know, it is really amazing what the fish.
11:28:52 Travel through and how far they can get. They're amazing. Just a quick comment about, You know, huge project and then there's maybe a medium cost project.
11:29:07 There's some that are a lot a lot more minor I guess like you have your old undersized cover like I'm singing an upper whole road for example is a county facility.
11:29:16 Yeah, there's been numerous Celber replacements there. And often they just use what's called box culvert, which is basically like a bridge, but think of like a concrete box
essentially, but it's got double.
11:29:27 Double powers if you will in the sense that it's not only providing an opening up this passage to the watershed, but also.
11:29:36 For training purposes, it usually, decreases the, probability of some kind of wash out on a road like that.
11:29:43 So there's also. Yeah, so decreased blood problems or drainage issues sometimes these improvements can connect.
11:29:55 So adjacent wetlands or drainage areas that have been disconnected through development over time.
11:29:58 And so when you can connect those, then you're adding fish out the top. You're also adding like water capacity.
11:30:04 So there's less. Manage issues. Sometimes if the cooler, it's like big enough, you can do, their habitat migration so animals can go under the road versus over the road and
it can be a better safety factor for cars and for the animals in those cases.
11:30:19 Yeah, there's a lot of people benefits. The fish passage, very removals, not just the fish.
11:30:26 So thank you for finding that out. Yeah. Oh, interesting topic.
11:30:35 If Marley, you pointed out how much work there is to do. It's an interesting topic.
11:30:38 Marley, you've pointed out how much work there is to do statewide in 6 years. Yeah.
11:30:41 And I was wondering. What doesn't get done. What's the level of liability?
11:30:46 Washington State has thinking of the Washington Supreme Court taking to task the legislature for not actively funding education. Our public infrastructure funds were swept.
11:31:00 That's some point to fund education. If Washington doesn't get this big job done, are we, or is it specified what the liability is? It's not that specified.
11:31:17 There's been many discussions with the tribal leaders about. Next steps, many, many, travel leaders expect that Washington will not be able to meet their goal and watch that
is admin that they will be able to meet their goal.
11:31:28 So I guess we'll So we'll be preparing for the lettuce and wash that's gonna be hitting like we're gonna get this done.
11:31:37 Does it does it count if it's designed and they start the construction at the beginning of 2030.
11:31:43 Do they have like the rest of the year? To fix it. The interesting thing is that when you have simple projects or projects that are a moderate complexity.
11:31:50 The thing that takes the most time is the design. So you can spend 2 to 3 years on the design of the project and you can get constructed in one fish window.
11:31:58 You can get it done in like 4 months. So, if they haven't designed, I guess I showed you the design, they're gonna have many of them designed by the end of 2027.
11:32:07 So that means if everything works right, the construction season could. Working in favor for they need multiple construction seasons like Chico Creek, give me more challenging.
11:32:17 I didn't answer your question. I don't know if there's an answer to it.
11:32:19 So, something we're looking at. Yes, the race is on right now. Our fish ladder systems playing any role in fish barrier or mitigation.
11:32:30 Fish ladders. Many are being replaced and removed because a lot of fish waters in place now are old or they didn't.
11:32:42 Quite follow all of the fish life cycles and fish needs at the time so they could have only been designed for so I think that if we have the opportunity to remove them, we will
do that during process of updating a forward barrier.
11:33:02 Benefit to fish population monitoring, for example. You know, work with the solution at hands, then that's something that we're always open to.
11:33:34 Can't meet all those standards only so far. You guys know that. Yes. Because might be a question for staff that you put it out 8 or 6 projects on accounting, It'd be great if
it was brought in with the state efforts.
11:33:48 Have those conversations started happening or Who would it be at the county? And then with washed off presumably to try to do those things in conjunction.
11:34:01 So not. I have multiple construction. That's happening. We're opening up the stretch of screen that doesn't actually do anything.
11:34:10 If there's a different COVID, away. Jefferson County at 1 point had a principal transportation. That was neat.
11:34:18 But there is, you know, public works is responsible for the 6 year transportation improvement program. And I think that it's been just a team effort to try to try to get ahead
of that and do the best of things as I think as Marlon pointed out it's really a court case, the state of Washington, so that's why washed out, but counties recognize that they either
could be brought in later legally
11:34:41 or just that it's the right thing to do to get ahead of it anyway. So oftentimes there's multiple benefits that I mentioned.
11:34:47 Where there's a sponsor like Toronto Limited that works with public work. So I guess in terms of, I think that I think our county being a relatively small county in terms of
the actual size of the government.
11:34:55 The population is doing the best they can and accessing different funding sources to take care of these projects. We have a huge geography though, you know, 1,880 square miles.
11:35:05 Of course, that, that's a lot of national force, but. There's a, you know, fair amount of roadmap that we're supposed to put forward.
11:35:10 So it's a challenge. If we're doing the best we can, I would say just speaking as a sister in department now with of course.
11:35:17 So it would be the accounting engineer to be your contact if you have any questions about that. I will say that.
11:35:20 With the coordination piece. I think also we're doing the best we can. I think there's a new staff at Washdot, which needy will improve the situation a bit.
11:35:29 We also have that additional regional transportation planning organization, PRTPO, which is a good vehicle for discussions with tribes, sports, other cities, counties, etc,
I guess I would say that just an example of the lack of coordination even within Flashdot would be coordination between that project on 104 and that just happened recently together
with what's happening what will be happening in terms of a potential roundabout
11:35:59 at the bridge and some other things and I think what Monty Reinders the county engineers will need is that when he asked Walter, did you?
11:36:05 Did you all think about ordaining these 2 projects at the same time? To see if maybe, you know, just get some efficiency there and the engineer, the wash that said there's another
project down the road and it was there all project so I'm just saying it's not always the county's issue perhaps with the coordination.
11:36:23 Sometimes, you know, lots of things are happening at once. I know that washout is scrambling to do all this.
11:36:27 I know that when I work for Fishing Wildlife, we had monthly meetings about Hey, how can fishish wildlife help wash.by giving out the hydraulic project, for HPAs as quickly
as possible to north so they could get all the environmental urban so they could get all the environmental, in place to perceive these projects expeditiously.
11:36:44 And now it's also a challenge. And, in place to proceed with these projects expeditiously.
11:36:46 And now it's also, challenging, because every one of these projects, not always, land ownership and all that design problem, but getting all the permits.
11:36:50 Including federal permits to do the thing that they're, required to do. So, Also, related it was fish passage and that involved.
11:37:05 It's a good question. I don't know if there was a passage barrier project in the center that would be on the same list only because it's not accessing a watershed.
11:37:11 That was more of a hydraulic connection between Oak Bay and Killis at Harvard. Also though a great fish project.
11:37:18 So yes, but that was also sponsored by an outside room. The same. I remember. Yeah, North, Olympics.
11:37:31 That's basic. I don't even remember. Yeah, North, Olympics, that's it.
11:37:32 But the project was so complicated that Washington essentially took it over. I just did it so complicated that Washington essentially took it over and just did it.
11:37:35 It's a save around 1 60. Every year they do the account of the prior. That's increased like a hundred times.
11:38:02 So this is Leland before and after. My last point here actually is just to talk about the habitat of the stream.
11:38:10 I know what fish need so you can see that.
11:38:15 The the oversized you can see that the water is backing up and kind of creating this kind of piece.
11:38:22 It has a small amount of area to go through so the velocity through the coal birds too fast for the fish to come up.
11:38:28 And, the only good thing is that you've got a lot of vegetation. Kind of reaching over and creating some shades, cooling.
11:38:36 And you can see some connectivity, some habitat, but fish to rest in, but they just can't get through, doesn't work for them.
11:38:43 So what this does One, you can see even though the project's relatively new, like they just finished it a couple months ago, is a really old design.
11:39:00 So they just finished it a couple of months ago, it's a really old design. So the's definitely new, like they just finished it a couple months ago is a really old design. So
the design actually has stream going pretty straight underneath the bridge.
11:39:16 What you want to see is a lot more meand and they have a kind of angled in different ways so that they'll let some of the sediment if the water's moving too fast.
11:39:22 Okay, cool's on the back side so the fish will have a place to like rest and jump over the next obstacle.
11:39:27 And it'll be really cool because the water's moving slow and it's shaded and it's tenuous and this also helps with water quality, the water gets a lot more cleaner, slows down,
all the faster and they can drop out and you have these cobbling beds that are really good for fish spawning.
11:39:46 So that's basically kind of It ties directly into your critical areas, or, and that types of habitat fish need.
11:39:57 And so those are kind of tribal fishing treaty rights that I'll be looking at, a, a, a, a, a, for, for, for, the, types of habitat, fish need.
11:40:05 And so those are kind of tribal fishing treaty rights that I'll be looking at while I'm looking at your critical area ordnance and looking at control and ordnance to make sure
that we are preserving or enhancing those habitats for the fish and opportunity.
11:40:13 Because they will come back. Days, months later and the next run will be even better. If remember that when fish come up.
11:40:21 They have basically you can correct me if I'm wrong here. They have about 3 years or they leave the stream they're in the ocean to come back.
11:40:31 So the fish that spawns as soon as the COVID is open, you won't see it come back for like 3 more years.
11:40:36 So the fish that are coming up are a different set of fish that were born in different area. So it's kind of hard to like track exactly how well the stream is doing.
11:40:48 So it's kind of hard to like track exactly how well the stream is doing, but we know that as soon as you open it up and there's no other downstream barriers.
11:40:49 It's. So this is a really good project and I hope. To help coordinate if they need help coordinating projects to get rid of this passage barriers or any other fish restoration
projects that the county wants to take on.
11:41:04 That real quick question. You said that's an older design so I know there's a long period between design and yeah money and, but is there room for that to start to meander a
little bit or not?
11:41:16 Hey, it might, but it's hard to get a stream of, going straight and I guess somebody's, largely debris might help kind of make it more stimulus.
11:41:28 I'm largely debris, might help kind of make it once in US. Covid hit this project.
11:41:31 So it was designed COVID hit by time they got to it. It was an older design and so her wash.it was built as designs and we're going to see if it functions as design and that's
just kind of if this project made it onto the monitoring.
11:41:47 Project list because it was all design and they can see these, they know that this't work as well as other designs.
11:41:50 So it's on the longer train list. Okay, I can take some of your projects after. Okay.
11:42:05 Okay, can you hear me?
11:42:08 Yeah, yes.
11:42:10 Great, great. All right, I'm gonna introduce myself. My name is Misty Ives and first and foremost I'm a tribal member of the Port Gamble Scalom Tribe.
11:42:21 I hold few hats here. My day work Monday through Friday is a tribal historic presentation officer and that is a formal position.
11:42:33 That the trial
11:42:37 Yeah. Yeah, take off your video. You're sound is.
11:42:49 Can you hear me now?
11:42:51 Yeah, much better.
11:42:53 Okay, so. Just, quick rundown of who I am. I remember first and foremost my day-to-day job Monday through Friday is a tribal historic preservation officer and that is an appointed
officer of the tribe.
11:43:09 I work on a daily basis. Their departments, specifically natural resources where Mark is located. In the cultural.
11:43:20 And I Okay. That's what I'm.
11:43:29 Of duties. I do.
11:43:31 Yeah, is there anything you can do at your end?
11:43:39 Yeah. I was. The building looks recognizable for. With you, celebrating Jefferson Lamp was.
11:43:56 Exactly now I think I've lost your Yeah. What's this? Kind of a point. We're using this facility.
11:44:11 Not the black. I'm not sure if it's on her end, but we can always invite her back another time.
11:44:18 It's on her end, but we can always invite her back another time if that would work yet.
11:44:19 And it's unfortunate. Cut off here. That a stable connection. Okay.
11:44:33 That's a whole another piece. We, and we started, we hinted at it, but there's that cultural resources, entirely different subset of this topic.
11:44:41 We're still trying. Marla, yeah, would it be possible for, us to get your slide deck?
11:44:49 Cause you had some great stuff in there that I wanted to dig deeper into. Yeah, he's got it okay.
11:44:56 He's dragged on over and That's what I'll do and I'll get it out.
11:45:01 That's the question while we're waiting. So the project got one of 4 that he spoke up, Josh.
11:45:09 Is that considered as salmon? Screen that goes through there or was that just some highway construction that needed?
11:45:20 During. You know, I'm not intimately familiar with that one. All the details I do believe it was a fish.
11:45:28 There were signage to that. But what about a Beaver Valley road and oak Bay road. Was that a similar one also?
11:45:37 Eva, yes. But that's not part of the state highway. It is. Also, it's called paper valley road because it used to be a county road same thing.
11:45:54 So those are those are that lost. Yeah, that's SR. 19 at that.
11:46:05 Yeah, she says that she would love to meet and talk with you at another time. Yeah, she says that she would love to meet and talk with you at another time.
11:46:20 Great. If you're really curious, you could go on. There's a slide from our other presentation that show all of this. Yeah, she said us that she would love to meet and talk with
you at another time.
11:46:49 If you're really curious, you could go on Not the case. That, yeah, yes, you guys have had projects done and, you're, all, all, lost, yeah, yes, you guys have had projects done
and, you're, all, all lost off list for getting projects done for sure. Yeah.
11:46:56 But, the project is in Jefferson County. So that's one that I. So that's one that I, saw the final review on the project is in Jefferson County.
11:47:06 So that's one that I, saw the final review on. Yeah. Yeah, and I've been through a lot of other stuff.
11:47:12 Describing this accurately just because I've only been back with Jackson County since 2022 that we have had periodic interactions with, well, I think we try to quarterly with
Marla and confidence.
11:47:26 So we try to keep in touch. We do try to also send out project level notices to.
11:47:32 To the tribe that model works for and other tribes that have expressed interest. Definitely the James Dallas call and express interest.
11:47:40 Yeah, I would say that every drive is different. In terms of just their interests and they're also level of interest in interacting with us on a project by project basis versus
more of a policy basis.
11:47:52 And sometimes it's just the bigger projects when we start talking about Pleasant Harbor, which I know that this blank commission probably knows more about it than I do in terms
of all that planning process but wasn't just the point, no point treated council tribes.
11:48:07 It was also Skakolamish track was interested in that project. So I guess I would say that we have we have engaged with tracks on this and now that we have 1717 the bill that
was referenced.
11:48:15 We're gonna be entering into a new phase of engagement. It's not as if we had an engage before, but now there's some more, there's some formalized procedures now in terms of
engagement.
11:48:25 So in terms of my understanding is that general planning things, comprehensive plan and so forth that it tribes were to We will certainly indicate to everybody all the interested
parties including tribes that we're engaging in this process.
11:48:39 And have tried for to then say, we express an interest. In your planning process then we'll engage in that and there's some very specific things and including some help from
Department of Commerce in that in Joe and I had, meetings with the Tribal Play program, and department of CARMUS, Bridget Race.
11:48:59 We've actually asked her or she's expressed interest in coming up to visit with us in person.
11:49:02 So we want to, you know, do our best. Do make sure that we're following that that law to the team and then beyond is our objectives and then with respect to the countywide planning
policy specifically the way the bill is written at least the way it looks to be written is that it's the tracks.
11:49:19 That have reservation lands or seated lands in our county. But even that said, I think we have no issues with Letting everybody know interested stakeholders including other
tracks that have expressed interest such as poor Camus call on tribe in terms of consistent interest in our planning activities that we're doing these other things and I mentioned before
I'm on that before you got here that You know, we're getting this growth man
11:49:42 posterior to you back up and running. The first meeting is gonna be February eighth. But at least that's what we're planning for.
11:49:46 So Thursday evening, starting at 5 o'clock I think or maybe 5 30. And we're just gonna start that conversation around.
11:49:52 Things like. Population estimates, projections, planet allocation, and then we're eventually going to Probably reopened the government policies as well.
11:50:03 So. We'd like to have some, at least from my perspective, I'd like to have.
11:50:07 A policy or 2 or however many that talk about relationship between Jefferson County planning and the interest in try.
11:50:16 So you said a sense that I didn't get all of you said and possibly also opening up. Oh, I think I meant that.
11:50:30 So that's a possibility that we would touch them for the first time since the 19 nineties.
11:50:34 One question. I think. Anyone who's heard about what happened with the forested areas around.
11:50:43 Is really excited about that and people here in Jefferson County look here's what I believe the tribe was heavily involved in that right?
11:50:53 For the, and the negotiation with the timber companies to create the giant. I mean, I think that Anybody here who knows about that thinks that Billy Jefferson Janet is a lot
to learn.
11:51:05 Or if we could be select. Because it's pretty remarkable and I think about it every time I drop through.
11:51:13 Thank you. Is there anything that, I mean, I'm not sure if everybody knows what I'm talking about, but.
11:51:18 I don't know the whole process. Could I ask you to explain quickly what happened? Oh, maybe you know better than I do.
11:51:27 I know my the planning director, she's been working on this for like 10 years and I know the hope resources is getting ready to like.
11:51:36 Become an all land owner in Kidsat County and they were trying to get rid of their. The rest of their tree farm, but at the same time they have this huge kind of all super fun
site on the Bay for all their logging and billing to place all the berry dogs and the sawdust added a huge amount of toxics and another chemicals to the water and the shoreline.
11:51:59 And so the tribe and the Department of Apology and both resources and a number of other entities kind of work together to figure out, you know, what needed to be done, who was
gonna pay for it, how long it was gonna take.
11:52:13 And so at the end, the tribes been working with book resources and Department of Apology on frustration of the shoreline in the bank and that's been pretty controversial because
It's impossible to get rid of all the toxins because they go so deep in soil.
11:52:30 And so if you take all of that out, you know, you have this huge project. And so they decided to remove.
11:52:36 8 feet 5 to 8 feet of the soil replay and put a cap on and replace it with new soil.
11:52:45 That's clean. That will be deep enough for, shell beds and harvest areas. I don't know to occur and for eel grass is one of their frustration things and so they planted some
veal grass and some of it is come back, well, some of it is not, to to do that.
11:53:01 And then the tribe will end up with, some pieces of land, but they own on the shoreline and the rest of it will still belong to.
11:53:09 The for example the town just being developed by Rainier, which is some subsidiary of resources. And then the fourth, there's a lot of local fundraising to buy the trees because
the land was given, local fundraising to buy the trees because the land was given, but the trees were not. Local fundraising to buy the trees, because the land was given, but the trees
were not.
11:53:29 Go resources and sk to be one more cut to all the trees before they left. And so a lot of it has been purchased and then there's, you know, ongoing local issues with the reason
and some other things adjacent to this practice still offland own back of resources.
11:53:43 But I'm going, did I cover that? That's really quick. Thank you. I mean, it's remarkable.
11:53:50 It's a remarkable alternative events and a lot of May I ask where is this exactly? Executive or Gamble?
11:53:59 You're talking about, can't, when you turn about different branches, you gotta drive all of them.
11:54:01 It's a large area. So, Marlowe was physically and specifically focusing in on Fort Campbell Bay and the old site and the restoration of that site but my understanding of the.
11:54:09 Project that's one super important element of it and another element I think Matt is getting at more is and I'm not sure what the involvement of the tribe versus accounting,
but I know the county worked with.
11:54:20 Ring in the air, which actually, Rainier is the master company. Both resources would be no sub city area of that but Anyway, so Rainier both hope for your sources essentially
in There's like a master plan that involves that poor cable community and there was an exchange and horse trading if you will from a planning perspective that resulted in that old tree
farm.
11:54:42 A lot of that Treaty Farm. Having a succession plan if you're not like a pora succession but not in this in the same way you can think of silver culture but more like That instead
of being a privately owned commercial timber operation in perpetuity that a good chunk of that, if not all of it, I'm not sure, but it's slowly being transitioned over to a different
11:55:00 ownership pattern. So there was that a final forest activity cuts, but eventually it'll be as community trail system.
11:55:08 And eventually it'll grow back and be more like a natural forest rather than a tree phone. And this is a lot of Right around that area all around that.
11:55:19 Bridge. I'm gonna guess 800 acres or something like that. Several sections. It just so I'm clear and I may miss this.
11:55:33 I'm sorry. Who exactly is responsible for putting the toxics in the ground originally? Okay. We'll play that.
11:55:44 Stuff. Yeah, and there's, you know, a lot of travel stories that I know a little bit about, but yeah, there's a lot of history, what going on.
11:55:53 I just wanna say thank you Marla and Misty for coming out on Saturday to help us understand.
11:56:04 Tribal interest. And we look forward to meeting this time. We're gonna be grabbing your lunch if you're welcome to sleep.
11:56:18 We're gonna bring for lunch since the VOC is coming after lunch. We're going to break the line since the VOC is coming after once.
11:56:27 It's coming, yeah, but we want to have a mixer. They're invited to lunch.
11:56:31 But we want to have a mixer they're invited to lunch. Yeah, but we want to have a mixer. They're invited to lunch.
11:56:35 But I mean, yeah, but we want to have a mixer. They're invited to lunch. We're talking about some.
11:56:37 A little bit is, I can say that, for this, you wanna go quickly. And the roles, to me, most of the is to move on activities more quickly.
11:56:48 Come up with ideas, develop things to a point where they can be considered by a larger group. Cause something generally move faster.
11:56:56 And my view on on the housing and actually there's more than just healthy, the map, drive there some time ago as as broadly as housing projects and that's quite discourage.
11:57:10 SOUTH. It's about that but I was surprised to hear that because from my perspective.
11:57:14 In the context of government, It's gone a long ways. To this day.
11:57:21 And a subcommittee has started from nothing. And now has something that's. To the soft community members almost almost good.
11:57:33 I looked at the graph that was really and that, for example, administrating point.
11:57:37 What is it important for the company to come to the both plan condition. And perhaps. I don't know.
11:57:46 I guess we did when the chair is comfortable. But subcommittee, the planning commission. But there's, there's no rule about that.
11:57:55 It's, it's, it's whenever it's, whenever it's your, it's, it's fine.
11:57:57 They double chair the PC chair it's time in the, so that's what I would say.
11:58:05 Thank you. Yeah, I just wanted to give the members a chance to add or 2 sense of. Yeah, I just wanted to give the members a chance to add or 2 cents for forwarding it.
11:58:19 You know, so not to rush it, you know, moving quickly, but also. Not to, you said you were the skirt because from my point of view, your tenacity had really paid off.
11:58:29 In the glacial. You know, timeframe. Yeah, don't take my frustration.
11:58:40 I mean, that's part of like, if you're an athlete and you're doing, playing a hard game, you're like, it's great.
11:58:42 You know, they don't take it the wrong way. And that's why I was like, yeah, I don't even think I should speak great.
11:58:48 But at the same time, You know, it's, Yeah, yeah, that's good.
11:58:55 You just have to think that like. I gave that one document to me more than one day I would say 3 days full-time job.
11:59:04 Develop that piece. So it's just part of the S maybe where the frustration comes from. But that's okay.
11:59:14 And thanks for the. Any other closing comments or observations or ideas? So we're going to close this planning commission meeting and then we'll reopen it with the board.
11:59:26 So we have actually 2 separate meetings today. In the intervening hour or lunch. We're going to bring food out from the kitchen.
11:59:35 Maybe rearrange some chairs and greet our for transmissions. During that time and we'll convene both meetings at one o'clock. Yeah, but one o'clock.