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15:02:43 From Chambers : Executive Session: Potential Litigation. 3:00 to 3:30 p.m.
09:02:23 I mean, somewhere between 15 and 17, we don't know exactly. So. But you know, part of a pair too, so it's like the where the red for and grows a story now.
09:02:34 Yeah.
09:02:36 Okay, I'm here though.
09:02:39 Right. Hello. Just a sec. Where'd my agenda go?
09:02:46 What happened? The agenda disappears. It's hard to get it back. No, that's all right.
09:02:54 I got it. That just, it's a funny, glitch I have. Alright, good morning, everyone.
09:03:02 Call this meeting with Jefferson County Board of Commissioners to order. Many of you heard Commissioner Brother tennis joining us virtually.
09:03:08 And we have. Our usual business this morning, but at 9 30 we will have a hard stop on that to resume our hearing on the shoreline master program.
09:03:21 So we anticipate that taking up much of the morning. See, thank you to, and Greg for covering for me.
09:03:30 I've been out for a couple of weeks. On one and missed one meeting on county business travel and another on personal travel.
09:03:38 So thanks. To both of you for covering. And I think we have a fairly normal schedule the next month or so.
09:03:46 It's there's always a number of Holiday is December, January, February, but I think we're kind of back to normal now.
09:03:51 Miracle. Yeah. All right, so, we will open it up for public comment. Anyone online can hit the raise hand, the bottom of the screen, anyone in the room.
09:04:03 Maybe I'll call on folks in the room first. Ask that you keep your comments to 3Â min.
09:04:09 We will be taking testimony for the Shoreline Master Program. At the 9 30. Is that true?
09:04:17 What do we decide on? Are we taking more? Yeah. Yes.
09:04:22 So. Feel free to allowed to speak to anything you wish and public comments. But if it's specific to the hearing, you might want to wait and have that be part of the record and
the 9 30Â h. You've managed to.
09:04:35 DC director Josh Pier is not present currently here though. Go ahead, Gordon. Will it be 3Â min?
09:04:43 Kate, last time we got. Truncate this. I would, I think we'll have to see what the, how many people show up and we anticipate for public comment, but we have, I mean, we really
left, you know.
09:04:53 2 and a half hours for the remainder of the hearing. So I think that we'll probably have 3Â min.
09:04:59 For the testimony. For the hearing. Alright, to questions about process or public comment? Okay, great.
09:05:10 So as usual it is helpful if you say where you reside, although it is not necessary, as well as your name.
09:05:17 And yeah, so who in the room would like to provide public comment? Go, Miss Show Walter and then Mr. Fritz.
09:05:24 And. Marilyn show all their shining road Commissioner Brotherton, I'm sorry to hear about your goat.
09:05:33 Last week, Commissioner Brothers and you said that you thought we would not be so concerned about.
09:05:40 Guy ducks, were they not visible or the tubes not visible? Point of personal privilege.
09:05:48 When last week when Commissioner Dean was away a college tour, I mentioned that I had just completed a long questionnaire on my for undergraduate years at Harvard.
09:06:00 I actually stayed there for 3 more years for law school. But it prompted me to get out my college thesis.
09:06:08 The title of which in March, 1972 is sulfite mill pollution in Puget Sound, Washington.
09:06:18 A case study of the role of scientific evidence in making public policy relating to natural resources. It was a discussion of the power of the timber industry at the time that
co-opted the regulators into literally giving them licenses to loot.
09:06:39 And guess what? A half a century later. Today, more than half a century. The ITT RAY and AIR Mill, which is in my case study, is still not cleaned up.
09:06:51 So the point I'm making. Is that the wish brother didn't before you were you were born I was cared about and I studied.
09:07:01 Or milk, excuse me, the health of Puget Sound. And before you can say, okay, boomer.
09:07:09 The point is that I have lived long enough and many of my neighbors have lived long enough to see. The damage that can be done if our our officials don't protect our environment.
09:07:23 We have people with marine biology backgrounds. We have our local astronaut who has seen this beautiful.
09:07:31 Earth from space. We do care about the environment and not just the visuals. Although that is an issue.
09:07:40 So, 1972 was. A good year. I wrote my thesis, Commissioner Brotherton.
09:07:46 I think you were born. And the Shoreline Management Act was adopted by the people.
09:07:54 Commissioner Eisenhower, you said a few couple weeks ago that you had never seen 3 commissioners as dedicated to both fisheries and the environment.
09:08:04 The third leg of that stool. Is the people, the public, and our right to weigh in on matters of concern.
09:08:12 Thank you. Thank you.
09:08:20 Yeah.
09:08:30 Thank you, Jen.
09:08:41 Okay. Okay. And this one. Hmm, basically.
09:08:55 We take the microphone. We can hear you. Thank you.
09:09:00 Basically some really bad problems are developing. With the COVID-19 vaccinations. In Europe and they keep have socialized medicine so they keep good records.
09:09:11 They found that people that are vaccinated with the booster have a 20% higher chance of dying.
09:09:19 Than the people that weren't vaccinated. Now this for all causes. Not just COVID-19, but all causes.
09:09:27 And these are the official records that kept in Europe. And, England, sorry, repeat. People that are vaccinated.
09:09:37 Have a 20% higher facility rate for all. Causes. Than people that aren't vaccinated.
09:09:46 Also in England. People are dying from white blood clots. Something nobody's ever seen before. What pathologist?
09:09:56 Believe is that The walls, the arteries. Book I'm inflamed and The protein that normally, forms, scabs and stuff.
09:10:14 And, and, tries to repair these inflamed arteries. And it's that for forms of blood clots so people die.
09:10:23 So there's some real problems. They're being swept under the rug. And RFK, of course.
09:10:31 It being called anti-Baxter. And things of this sort. And I'm for vaccination.
09:10:39 I can remember in grade school. All of us going down to public library and getting them sold. Oh, shot.
09:10:48 And then a few later we got. The saving for your vaccine shot. And that was end of. Polio.
09:11:00 I remember as a child sitting in front of the radio. And listening to the polio offbreak.
09:11:06 Every day they see. 10 new cases in this county. 2 new cases in that county, 5 new county case in this county, and everybody knew somebody that had polio.
09:11:19 And it went away. So shots are very necessary. But. I think it's a big mistake.
09:11:28 To allow the drug companies to do the testing and to. Come up with the statistics. We should have independent.
09:11:38 Go to do the testing so we know what the records actually are. I think they're phony.
09:11:46 Thanks. Thank you, Mr. Fritz.
09:11:50 Anyone else in the room which provide public comments again separate from the testimony on the SM. Go ahead.
09:11:58 Sorry, I've forgotten your name. Thank you. My name is Su Corbett.
09:12:04 I live at 31 church, Elaine Port Leo. One thing that said SQUEUE DECK operations apart from other forms of aquaculture is the harvesting method.
09:12:17 Gui Doc Aquaculture is exempt. From having to get and hydraulic permit approval HBA.
09:12:22 Even though someone wanting to put in a dock or a boat anchor needs to get an HBA.
09:12:28 Guidocarvest involves liquefying acres of tide lands, the aquaculture industry uses research.
09:12:35 The claims tide lands recover within a short amount of time. The research used is extremely flawed. The Van Blair Coon research and Sea Grant study failed to take into account
successive cycles.
09:12:48 And did not take into account large enough plots. Goodacarbus, harm's made veil grass.
09:12:57 I've observed a grey duck operation near my house. Elgrass was abundant in the farming area.
09:13:00 Before the first harvest. After the first harvest. The need to be ill grass has never recovered. Goodac harvesting.
09:13:11 I have photos. One taken in July 2,014 has an abundance of Eil Grass, the one taken July, 2023 as none.
09:13:21 Same exact place. Same month. A picture is worth a thousand words. A standard cup should be required for GUIDAC operations.
09:13:32 Thank you, Miss Corbett.
09:13:36 Alright, go to the online audience. Anyone wish to provide public comments? Please hit raise hands bottom of the screen.
09:13:47 Thank you.
09:13:53 One more call for public comment from the Zoom room. Mr. Teersch.
09:14:00 We'll bring you over.
09:14:10 There it is. Good morning. Mears. Good morning.
09:14:12 Okay.
09:14:27 By the steering committee of the for the port towns and pool project. Each of you commissioners responded, and I would say a little bit defensively to those comments.
09:14:39 And I think your reactions are really kind of based on a misunderstanding or misrepresentation of the real issue here.
09:14:49 Nobody is suggesting that those steering committee meetings, had to be subject to the open public meetings act.
09:14:56 That's, yeah, a question for another day. But, you know, a meeting that is open to the public.
09:15:02 Doesn't mean that it has to be an OPMA public meeting. Just allowing anybody that's interested to show up, hear the discussion, places no additional burden on your staff.
09:15:13 Doesn't cost anybody anything to do that. It's simply allows the community to hear what's going on.
09:15:20 I mean, when you've got a committee that's talking about putting 40, 50 million dollars worth of expenditures.
09:15:27 Up for the public to consider for approval. That that's something that the public needs to hear everything that's said about that.
09:15:33 Not just a few, you know, PowerPoint presentations. We need to hear everything that's been going on to see how we got to where we are.
09:15:41 So, you know, and again, while it's not mandatory, because it's not an OPMA meeting, you know, even providing a Zoom option would be great.
09:15:50 How hard is it for somebody to put their their cell phone into a Zoom room just so anybody that wants to can just dial in and hear what's said without having to travel.
09:15:59 All around the county. You know let me just remind you once again as I do in my signature for a lot of emails that I send you what our state's voters said about public meetings
in public.
09:16:15 Different, you know, 52 years ago, 72% of the people said this. They said the people of this state do not yield their sovereignty to the agencies that serve them.
09:16:24 The people in delegating authority do not give their public servants the right to decide what is good for the people to know and what is not good for them.
09:16:33 To know. The people insist on remaining informed and informing the public's public servant. Servants of their views.
09:16:41 So that they maintain control over the instruments that they have created. So, yeah, the the steering committee isn't subject to OPMA, but that, you know.
09:16:51 Doesn't mean that you shouldn't do the right thing. So, you know. For for the next meeting which I think is happening this this week from what I've heard.
09:16:59 And for any future meetings. You know, just let people know where the meetings are and let them show up and listen.
09:17:06 You don't have to allow them to speak, but you know letting people get more information. Is always better.
09:17:12 Thank you.
09:17:14 Thank you. Mr. Teersch. Anyone else online wish to provide public comments?
09:17:25 Alright. Anyone in the room wish to provide public comments? We're still still in public comment if you'd like to provide comment.
09:17:38 If you'd like to provide comment, you're welcome to. Yes, I would. Okay.
09:17:44 Feel free to come on up. We're gonna.
09:17:50 You have up to 3Â min. Okay, so I think, Ms. Eisenhower was, questioning me.
09:17:58 About.
09:18:02 The Discovery. Health and The real team and whether I thought they were doing a good job and my answer was no because they routinely do not really take care of their clients.
09:18:21 Their clients. Since. The indifference of the real team and Discovery Health. And they avoid.
09:18:31 Asking them for the things they need. Like doing laundry and showering. And because they sense their indifference.
09:18:45 There could be lots of reasons for this. It could be. Understaffed staffing, staffing under funding or just they don't want to follow their contract.
09:18:55 For example, as a shelter right now, we have not had access to showers for about 6 weeks.
09:19:05 I at this point I really think that the state needs to claw back their money. Because you know in their contract I'm sure it says the shelter has to have showers.
09:19:18 Available for people because we have people who have limited mobility and those showers have handholds and they have a seat that goes down and we have not had access to those
since like the middle of January and merit back here is scratching and itching himself.
09:19:41 I had to go to a hotel to get a shower yesterday. I, you know, I, I don't shower in there because there's no hot water in one and the other one is missing some sort of a toggle
or a light bulb and it's like really petty things that these nonprofit contractors or for-profit contractors are not doing that that are in their contracts.
09:20:10 So it's really coming down. To consumer fraud. Is what we're talking about because they're being lied to.
09:20:18 They're being told they're not being told things. And nothing is said. I mean, they, they put.
09:20:26 Propane and twice but they didn't into the tank out there but they did not fix the showers.
09:20:36 So the propane was not the problem. The problem is the showers themselves. So I guess February, 20 eighth great brotherton isn't here, but I would like to be at the state of
the housing.
09:20:55 Thing that he's giving and, there were a number of homeless people that want to go from the warming center.
09:21:02 Ariel is another one of those. People who would like to go to that. Thank you. Thank you.
09:21:10 And Commissioner Brotherton is online. So he can hear you.
09:21:15 Yes. Alright, anyone else wish to provide public comments? Online or in the room here today.
09:21:25 Alright, I'm guessing Greg turned his camera on because he might want to, provide some response.
09:21:32 Go ahead, Greg.
09:21:33 Yeah, I will. Sorry, I couldn't be there today and I'm gonna miss health trial today for Maggie as well.
09:21:39 So I'm sorry about that. Emergencies on the home front. To respond.
09:21:44 1972 was a very good year. Michelle Walter, and I appreciate your concern for our farm animals.
09:21:52 And I, you know.
09:21:55 I don't know, sometimes I put put motivations in people's mouths that aren't there.
09:21:59 So I recognize that that's not your primary motivation. Appreciate the good work. And I don't think we've.
09:22:04 Made any attempt to stifle the public. Contribution to this, are they quite the opposite on the SMP?
09:22:11 I don't wanna get too into the details as well. Jump back into that hearing for the rest of the morning after public comment but I appreciate your as always your well considered
comments and and miss Corbett as well picture does is it worth 1,000 words for sure to Mr. You know, I I value transparency as well.
09:22:36 I don't. Not sure if I was defensive in response, but if every interaction of The public servants are open to the public.
09:22:46 It has a really chilling effect. I found or it can. So while I I haven't been to a steering committee meeting yet.
09:22:54 I'll go to a couple, but if you're if we're If you open up every meeting about a really politically contentious topic up to the public.
09:23:02 You are giving a lot of grist for the mill and often. Hamper your ability to move forward.
09:23:09 So I'm not against transparency and. But I also don't think that every single meeting needs to be.
09:23:17 Open to the public. I guess that's I mean, I think I said it last time and I no decisions are going to be made without public feedback or public involvement, but we're so challenging.
09:23:29 Challenging cart that is very easy to topple. Compared to some other carts that we're carding around.
09:23:38 To Maggie the 20 eighth is a chamber meeting to open it all there's a there's a luncheon that you could.
09:23:46 Pay 4 or anyone can attend for free. I think the housing fund board. Later on the 20 eighth at 2 30.
09:23:53 Is probably a more appropriate venue as that's more about. You know, shelter and transitional housing and permanent support of housing in there.
09:24:08 And we are going to be talking about those issues there. The state of housing is for the chamber of commerce put on by them and more about permitting so it's just it's less
topical I think to your concerns but would love to have you there and.
09:24:21 You know, you can shoot me an email or something if you want to see if we can get, any Comp lunches, I don't even know what the lunch is.
09:24:29 But I'm talking about sewer and, you know, plan, not how we're dealing with the.
09:24:36 Significant shelter issues and I appreciate you raising those issues with the shelter. I was unaware of the shower issues.
09:24:42 Those of course don't. Besmirch the real team out of discovery behavioral health because it's really nothing to do with that.
09:24:50 So And of course, both DVH and Olicapper are nonprofits. They're and.
09:24:56 You know, if you want to talk about things that are going on at the Legion, housing bud fund board meeting at 2 30 on Wednesday is more topical.
09:25:03 Than the luncheon at the chamber.
09:25:06 Real time is the separate issue that I also, follow. Okay, yeah, and we're not gonna be able to do back and forth right now.
09:25:17 And we're, we are on a tight timeline for our hearing as well, not to rush you, Greg, just I'm wanted to be sure.
09:25:22 That's fine. I'm just I didn't I wasn't taking notes on digging a dry hole, but I'll stop there and and and thank you all for your whole comments.
09:25:29 That's, yeah, let's do responses and then see if we have time for one more, public comment.
09:25:37 I feel like it's a little unfair to let public comment come in after, you know, kind of in response to something somebody's been said and, did provide plenty of opportunity
for public comment.
09:25:47 I'm also going to need just a minute bio break in between public comment and our hearing.
09:25:54 Let's see if we have time for that. I don't have a lot to add to what Greg has already said.
09:26:00 I appreciate Sue's picture that she brought. I do agree that a picture is worth a thousand words.
09:26:06 And, I would rather defer to leaving time for someone to make public comment. Okay. I don't have, a lot more to add.
09:26:19 Mr. Walter, I like to point out that I'm the youngest commissioner, so I was not alive in 1972, but bowed down to you for decades of experience doing this work.
09:26:31 And obviously lots more to come on GUI Duck and Shoreline Master Program. Let's see, I, I, Greg is right.
09:26:42 I do believe having every meeting be open to the public would have a chilling effect. I also have real concerns about the practicality of it and the amount of time spent in
trying to find the right room and explain to folks that every meeting doesn't have public comment and the frustration that folks would feel as a result of that and, you know, I think
it makes sense for a lot of work to be done behind closed doors and
09:27:03 then have ample opportunity for information and input from the public as we do in this meeting. We've been talking about it every week for months.
09:27:11 We've had a number of public meetings, so I think there's there's a lot of opportunity for the public and you know and we strive to provide all of the information and material
to the public in that spirit.
09:27:27 So. Let's see, I think Greg is in a much better position being on the only cat board to address the showers issue.
09:27:35 I'm guessing that he will look into that. I do, agree that the Housing Fund Board is a great place for your concerns, Maggie, and we do have public comment.
09:27:44 That is an open meeting, and public comment available, so that's a good place to bring those concerns.
09:27:51 You know we are struggling with a pretty massive shortfall in funding for the shelter it's going to be closing relatively soon and so I think these are timely concerns that
you bring up and will be on the docket for the meeting on the 20 eighth.
09:28:11 Alright, and we have, 2Â min left for one more public comment. So Ms. Ball will bring you over.
09:28:21 And if you could keep your comments relatively short. So we're in good time for hearing at 9 30.
09:28:31 Can you hear me?
09:28:33 Yep, good morning.
09:28:39 Not necessarily.
09:28:35 Thanks. Not public comment went to 9 30.
09:28:44 No body has said ever and I'm aware of that all meetings should be open to you know OPMA.
09:28:52 Rules. That's not what anybody said. That's not what I've said. I know that for sure.
09:28:56 So I find your repeated retorts suggesting that it would be so onerous to have this meeting, these steering committee meetings, this process with this pool open when there is
so much interest I find that to be incredibly dismissive and short-sighted.
09:29:14 Not very often you get such criticism from me, but I think you've earned it.
09:29:18 I think your comments to me 2 weeks ago were incredibly dismissive and I think I deserve better. Frankly.
09:29:28 I think Mr. Teersch is far more eloquent than I could ever be and I appreciate his comments and his diligence.
09:29:35 I really appreciate Miss Maggie and Miss Show Walter for their. Continued involvement in the issues that are important to them and for their ability to express.
09:29:46 Those concerns and fight that good fight. So I appreciate that from them. Thank you.
09:29:53 Thank you. Alright, we're gonna take a minute to get set up for our 9 30 hearing.
09:30:01 I need to run down the hall for sex. I guess if you need to recess. 2Â min or so. Okay, great.
09:30:12 All right. So they're getting set up. I'm gonna run out the hall and be right back.
09:33:00 That too, but I'll just I think we're gonna be here for a while. Yeah, hate to say it.
09:33:06 Alright, so we have a 9 30 hearing. And deliberations on the shoreline master program.
09:33:15 We will be taking additional public comments testimony. So Josh, what's your pleasure today?
09:33:24 Do you have a presentation or shall we dive back into deliberations?
09:33:29 Good morning, Mr. Chair. Members of the board. We have our consultants with us today.
09:33:36 Lisa and Amy. So if they're, they should be here. So. We thought we could go over the staff report and just highlight the changes that were made.
09:33:48 After the last set of deliberations with the board. And that would be a fairly brief exchange unless the board members have questions about any of it.
09:33:57 And then we would continue with. With the hearing that it's actually been open since January, January eighth, I think.
09:34:05 And then at that point, following the comments, we. We're hoping to receive additional direction from the board so that we could proceed with.
09:34:15 The endgame for this particular periodic review. Great. So I say Lisa and Amy are with us.
09:34:24 Could you go go ahead and just introduce yourselves and pull up the. Staff report and get rolling.
09:34:33 Good morning, Lisa Greer with Berk Consulting.
09:34:38 Morning, Lisa.
09:34:40 Amy, sumi with Shannon Wilson.
09:34:44 Thanks for being here.
09:34:47 I'm gonna share my screen with the staff report.
09:35:09 Looks great.
09:35:07 Is that visible enough? Okay, great. Thank you.
09:35:13 So we shared, back what we were hearing from the February fifth meeting in this document.
09:35:23 And it goes in order that it appears in the document in the draft amendments. And so we updated the draft amendments, putting some ideas in motion.
09:35:38 On top of the Planning Commission recommendations. And so this chart just summarizes. Some of those moves for discussion today.
09:35:48 And so the first topic is on definitions. The prosecuting attorney's office asked us to take a closer look at definitions in the SMP versus the unified development code and
identify if there were some areas where we could reconcile.
09:36:06 And so there are some noted in the draft document.
09:36:11 The second item is on the table, 18.25220 that's the use matrix.
09:36:20 And at the February fifth meeting, the board discussed treating GUI Doc Aquaculture expansions like new operations.
09:36:30 So we basically added a description and we can we can talk about that. After we go over these.
09:36:37 Hi.
09:36:49 Agriculture regulations section and the idea is that there would be words trying to match the the use matrix permit types.
09:37:00 In this 1825 4 40
09:37:08 And then one of the main topics we had in February, the fifth was what's the baseline for determining what how you measure expansions.
09:37:20 There's a general section that applies to non GUI. Aquaculture. So there were some proposed amendments.
09:37:27 To go back to some of the intent of the original language. And, the baseline being in 2014 basically when the SMP became effective.
09:37:42 And we, Amy, I don't know if you want to add more here. We can also pull up the language itself.
09:37:49 Good day.
09:37:52 And then in addition to clarifying that, 25% trigger requirement, then we went into the application requirements for GUI DAC.
09:38:02 So one addition above the table was the county may include information contained in the application as conditions of the project.
09:38:14 Another was to allow for recognition of industry, best management practices and identifying those as part of the application material.
09:38:26 And then another application requirement was to describe how the applicant would prevent marine debris accumulation and the proposed language is similar to what Kalam County
would require.
09:38:41 And then finally, another requirement to submit existing permits in effect at the time of applications so that could be US Army Corps of Engineer or other permits that those
would be submitted at the time of the application.
09:39:01 And then there were a couple of public comments. Last week. That we added to the comments and responses here.
09:39:10 One was about shoreline harming and whether the permits required for shoreline armoring and the requirements were as strict as as for other uses like aquaculture.
09:39:23 So what we were pointing out here is, that we have to follow other provisions of the Shoreline Management Act and the rules and the Washington Administrative Code.
09:39:35 And, there's been a lot of work done in those rules over time, regarding armoring and choosing the least.
09:39:46 I guess physical changes and trying to rely more on natural approaches. And so there there was some work on those regulations in this periodic update.
09:39:57 That. That you consider non-structural means of shoreline armoring before structural means.
09:40:05 And there were some changes to. Allow for or require some geotechnical analysis. And regardless of the permit type, the performance standards need to be met.
09:40:20 And then this follow up on the conditional use process for aquaculture and just a reminder of what was in the Washington administrative code as it changed in 2,011 to require
permits for GUI.
09:40:36 Aqua culture and so new needs a conditional use permit and then it's up to the county discretion on conversions.
09:40:47 And. And then based on the board direction, we're moving towards.
09:40:54 Expansion being treated the same as new. So as Josh has mentioned before in sessions the county can decide the
09:41:07 Avenue of conditional use permit and whether it's discretionary or not. But we're following those, new roles.
09:41:16 From 2011. Josh or Amy, anything else to point out?
09:41:24 Nothing for me. The moment.
09:41:27 Stop sharing for a moment.
09:41:29 I would just add one detail. To the first row in the table about definitions and that. As Lisa mentioned.
09:41:38 The prosecuting attorney's office wanted us to take another look at those definitions. It was something that I think hadn't been done.
09:41:45 As part of this periodic review or at least not as much attention had been paid to it since the definitions mostly have been in place for many years.
09:41:53 But we, that process and this latest draft includes a new preamble which Takes out references to the draft 2,000 SMP believe it or not and talks about more in the modern context
of the contemporary context.
09:42:09 And we started the process of maintaining those. SNP definitions that are related to the shoreline management act itself or corresponding whack.
09:42:19 And also identified some places where there's now discrepancies between definitions and the rest of the title 18 unified development code and 1825, which is the Shoreline Master
Program.
09:42:30 I think it I suspect it's just a matter of over time some of our UDC definitions have changed and now they're not the same as the SMP so I also want to mention that this work
isn't complete with the prosecuting attorney's office.
09:42:43 We most likely will have additional changes. Of a technical nature really, some, I know that there's been some.
09:42:50 Definitions identified that we don't really need to. Say them again because they're elsewhere in the code or in the act and so they're superfluous in that in that regard.
09:42:59 So. We were gonna do some additional technical work on that particular section, but we have made progress on it in this.
09:43:04 This latest draft reflects that.
09:43:09 Sounds tedious.
09:43:16 So this point, it's really up to the end the board's pleasure whether you want to discuss any element that we've talked about or whether we want to actually pull up the draft,
look at the table, anything else.
09:43:25 Or whether you wanted to welcome public. Testimony at this point. So. Hi, D. Greg.
09:43:32 Any, leanings?
09:43:33 I like we've been through the draft in the table a number of times. If there's more public testimony that people wanna make, I'd be interested in hearing that.
09:43:44 Thank you.
09:43:44 Hi, I had one clarifying question. Appreciate the presentation guys and all the The continued work.
09:43:50 Sorry, So the 2,011 update to the whack. Required the conditional use permit. As you know, Michelle Walters and others, I think, pointed out and when the planning commission
first looked at it.
09:44:04 Did you say that it could be? Any. Flavor like Jefferson County Central flavor. Of conditional use permit even for a new GUI DECK expansions or does that have to be a as it
is right now.
09:44:21 Just a cup, like with a hearing.
09:44:24 Yeah, thank you for the. Question Commissioner Brother can the opportunity to clarify This has come up in the past.
09:44:33 Shoreline conditional use permit. Shoreline variants, shoreline substantial development permit and shoreline permit exemption.
09:44:42 Those are all terms that come from the shoreline management act and or the Washington Administrative code that corresponds to that act.
09:44:49 No where in that act am I aware of anything about a discretionary process or standard process or? Or administrative process for the conditional use permit those are all things
that Jefferson County has elected to do within our own development code for any permit not just shoreline permits.
09:45:07 And so that's really reflective of our own choices. So from, I think, ecology's perspective, Schorland conditional use permit is a shoreline condition, conditional use permit,
which means that we make a local decision.
09:45:19 We send it to ecology. They have actually the final decision. They either say, that's great, you're good to go, all the conditions are set, or we're going to modify that and
give additional conditions or.
09:45:30 Amend conditions or what have you, or they actually deny the permit, say. Ecology as a co-administrator of the Shoreline Management Act is not going to issued this permit the
way that the local decision has been made and then there's a whole appeal process that goes from that to through the shoreline hearing sport.
09:45:45 So, I would say that I hope that answer the question, but essentially we are in all the draft since.
09:45:53 Since this process started of this particular periodic review. Said that GUI duck aquaculture.
09:46:00 Whatever the stripe of it is a conditional use permit. It just depends on what kind of process that we use locally.
09:46:10 Okay.
09:46:07 Now, the wax says that conversions is a local determination. So really, other jurisdictions I think have done this may seem county comes to mind, but They've decided I believe
that.
09:46:20 A conversion will not require a conditional use permit under the shoreline master program but some other kind of shoreline permit.
09:46:27 Again, we're not deciding that. That's not what we're doing. None of the options that are on the table for consideration.
09:46:32 Reflect that that decision. Everything's a conditional use permit just depends on what kind. And then the whack is silent on the expansion issue and the last direction we received
from the board as stated in the.
09:46:43 Explain was that expansion would be treated like new.
09:46:47 Yeah, and I'm still supportive of the draft, you know, as presented with, the expansion treated as new.
09:46:54 So I guess that was my only question. I appreciate the continued work and I'm ready for testimony if you guys are.
09:47:01 Yeah, let me just add a couple of comments. Thank you for incorporating some of the changes we talked about a few weeks ago.
09:47:09 Appreciate it and I am eager to hear the public's response to some of the changes that we're presenting here today for the first time.
09:47:20 I still would prefer to, stick with a, Discretionary CUP for, DUCK expansion.
09:47:32 I have. Like I said, feel like, we. Can approach those differently because we have a whole lot of other information that we don't have with new GUI duck production.
09:47:43 So that is something I'm be interested to hear from the public on. And. Yeah, otherwise just really appreciate you.
09:47:54 Taking my sometimes not very coherent thoughts and putting them into really a clear language. So good work, whoever is doing that.
09:48:04 I appreciate it. So it sounds like we are. Going to open it back up and. I can't say again for certain whether this will be the last opportunity.
09:48:17 I think it depends on how many changes we continue to make to this draft. But we could decide that. Go ahead, Josh.
09:48:26 I would just comment on that. Okay. I believe that in consultation with the prosecuting attorneys office if we were to put an ordinance on the table for your consideration together
with a final version.
09:48:40 That we would have a public comment period associated with that. So there would be one more opportunity in on the day that.
09:48:47 Action. Final action is expected. And would that be a continuation of this hearing? Okay, that would be keeping testimony open.
09:48:57 So this is not your last opportunity. But we appreciate hearing from the public. This is hearing testimony, which means we do need to hear your name and place of residence.
09:49:09 And given that we don't have large numbers of people, I think we can do up to 3Â min.
09:49:14 So welcome any input. Let's, for novelty sake, start with the zoom room.
09:49:20 Anyone in the Zoom room like to provide public testimony specifically on the draft shoreline master program? Before us today.
09:49:29 If so, please hit raise hand. You'll have up to 3Â min to comment.
09:49:35 It will bring over Mis Wald. And feel free to hit raise hand at any time. There will be a short delay while you're being brought over you'll need to accept a promotion to panelists
and then unmute.
09:49:48 Then you will have up to 3Â min. Alright, so if we have a color on the line, if you're interested, you'll hit star 9 to raise your hand.
09:49:59 Go ahead, Miss Wald.
09:50:11 Can you hear us, Jan?
09:50:14 Need to unmute.
09:50:21 Okay, you can hear me? Alright, so we're in business. I'm Jan Woold and I live on Shine Road.
09:50:29 And I've been studying and working on natural resource issues in that field for the last 50 plus years.
09:50:36 And that is my main interest and that's why I have been so involved in what's been going on with Puget Sound and Hood Canal in particular.
09:50:48 Puget Sound has been declining. There are many, many threatened and endangered species.
09:50:54 And just as a couple of examples, the Puget Sound Chinook. And Puget Sound Steelhead.
09:51:01 Are in critical condition according to governor's office. Marble Merlets are increasing in number and Oregon in California, which is wonderful.
09:51:10 They're decreasing in Washington and in Hoot Canal they're going down 17% a year.
09:51:16 So what we do here is really important. Those are just some indicators of what's going on.
09:51:23 So what you decide here today is really important in terms of what goes on with Puget Sound in terms of the Jefferson County parts of it.
09:51:32 And then up into straight of one.
09:51:36 You have no information on existing showfish farms in the county except for one. They all have been grandfathered in.
09:51:47 You don't have their permits. You don't know what the permit says. And you have no information on them.
09:51:53 Hopefully you can make a selection to make a change in that. None of them have a hydraulic permit.
09:52:01 If you want to put a boat mooring or a dock or something, you have to have an HPA.
09:52:08 And then Fish and Wildlife take a very serious close look at what's going on in that particular spot.
09:52:13 But you don't have the advantage of that. So it all comes back to basically the county. Taking a look at what goes on in the county.
09:52:23 I would really encourage you to. Give the public an opportunity on all gooey duck farming conversions expansions to have a say in what goes on.
09:52:36 Before a hearing examiner. And then I would also encourage you to really pay attention to keeping the wording in there that if there's somebody's making 25% changes or more.
09:52:48 In their shellfish farm. That that requires a permit. And again, you don't have permits from any showfish form that I'm aware of other than maybe one that's been recent in the
county.
09:52:59 So I would really encourage you to pay attention to that. You're kind of the last check on what goes on here.
09:53:06 Thank you.
09:53:08 Thank you, Ms. Walt. Anyone else online wish to provide public testimony? Today's hearing and the SMP, right?
09:53:17 You'll have another opportunity. This isn't your only chance. Alright, I'll go to the room.
09:53:22 Who would like to provide testimony today? Is he? Good.
09:53:34 Good morning. My name is Ernie Wald. I am a Director of Regulatory Affairs with Taylor Shellfish.
09:53:42 Thank you for allowing me a chance to speak this morning. Taylor shellfish along with dozens of other growers have successfully cultivated private and leased tidlands in Jefferson
County for over a hundred years.
09:53:53 The land is sustainably produced, not only market ready clams, oysters, muscles and gooey duck.
09:53:59 For national and international customers, but shelter seat as well. Jefferson County's rich nutrients.
09:54:05 Have allowed growers to first collect, naturally produce seed. And now supports several hatcheries, nurseries, and flipses which support growers with seeds throughout Puget
Sound.
09:54:15 Shelfish activities have been thoroughly analyzed by the US Fish and Wildlife Service and the National Marine Fisheries Service under the programmatic biological assessment
or PBA.
09:54:26 These conditions outlined under the biological opinion identify specific conditions which address potential impacts from GUIDA grow out and harvest activities.
09:54:37 Neither the PBA nor the PBO conditions were stricken under the Army Corps's Nationwide 48 Permit Vacature.
09:54:44 And in fact, together with the Washington State Sea Grant research and other independent Third party science, these reviews have been repeatedly accepted by decision makers
for GUETA permit applications.
09:54:57 Not only water dependent, but water quality and substrate dependent. Aquaculture is regulated on federal, state, and local levels.
09:55:05 Given considerable time, the Jefferson County Planning Commission spent with the public to review facts and prepare to it.
09:55:12 Prepare draft documents. It is disturbing to see the Jefferson County Board of County Commissioners place additional restrictions on aquaculture.
09:55:21 Without having the science or technical facts to base those restrictions on. The draft is proposed will have direct negative impacts on Jefferson County jobs, the economy, and
the environment.
09:55:35 Creating an environment where only large growers with the staff and resources can who can navigate the permitting landscape.
09:55:44 Ensures a limited opportunity for new or small growers to thrive and contribute to the economy. And the community.
09:55:52 This draft with aquaculture regulations is short-sighted, ill-guided, and factually deficient.
09:55:57 We strongly urge you to either send this back to the Planning Commission or to look to science and case law.
09:56:03 For those regulations based on facts. That meet the SMA goals. Thank you. Thank you.
09:56:12 And what's your place of residence for record? 1 30, Southeast Lynch Road. Sheldon.
09:56:18 Thank you.
09:56:41 Gordon King, 46, 45, Bell Street, Port Townsend. I appreciate, Michaud water.
09:56:50 Bring up the issue of pulp mills. In fact, the shellfish industry since the 1950.
09:56:57 We're sewing the. Open paper industry because of the damage it was doing to the by valve environment.
09:57:09 The the problem with the full CUP including a public hearing Is that it requires many resources from the county and the applicants and the same misinformed criticisms that are
trotted out as facts when in truth they are people's opinions.
09:57:24 We have seen this in the public comments submitted on the SCP to date. Such a such comments as 20% of Washington tide lands are under shelf for shack with culture and that it
is increasing to 30%.
09:57:37 Yet according to a programmatic biological opinion prepared by the National Marine Fisheries Service. There are 125,736 acres of Thailand, some Puget Sound and the Hood Canal
with 9,214 acres being farmed for shellfish agriculture.
09:57:55 This represents 7.3%. Of Thailand's not 20 to 30%. And of that a very small percentage is going back.
09:58:04 And what we do know is that shoreline development. Such as you see in China and many of the many of the lots in China recorder acre and few of them are 5 acres.
09:58:18 And with that we've got deforestation, you've got roads with the accompanied, Tyrer, detritus, break pads and then you've got, if you look at the go down, have look at the shine
tut development, you'll see that there are driveways and boat ramps right down to the high water level.
09:58:38 So I'm confused by their Shine residents claiming their great concern. For the environment. History has shown us that aquaculture does have a concern and science has shown us
that GEDAC are not impactful.
09:58:53 Negatively impactful to the environment.
09:58:57 Make no mistake, the Andy Gurdak farm. Right for comments is about residents not wanting a GUIDE farm in their neighbourhood, not about the environment.
09:59:07 Research does not show that good earth farming is harmful to the environment where there is Whereas the kind of shoreline development that exists in China neighborhood is known
to be harmful.
09:59:18 Thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. King.
09:59:22 Hey, Okay.
09:59:28 Maryland Show Walter, 1,596 shine road. Almost all of what you've heard today both sides is the kind of information that should be put before a hearing examiner.
09:59:42 This is a lot of opinion in 3Â min bits. It's not your job to try to figure out, well, who's right, who's wrong, what's the science?
09:59:52 That's what the process is for. Your job is to pick. The best process for determining this.
10:00:00 And I think it's a hearing examiner process. Because that is where evidence is put in, testimony is under oath.
10:00:07 There is a joining of the issues, which is very difficult in this kind of situation. And the hearing examiner makes decisions on these kinds of things.
10:00:16 On facts and the law is applied to the facts. I do want to talk today a bit about the provision that applies in the new latest draft.
10:00:26 To non goi duck shellfish operations and when they have to come in for a permit or not.
10:00:36 We're talking about the grandfathered permits. It's too much to talk about in 3Â min, which is why I wrote a letter.
10:00:41 These letters are always hurried because you get the. The agenda, you know, on Friday and try to do something over the weekend.
10:00:49 But the point of it is that I don't think that the language that was dropped. Kind of without discussion on when grandfathered farms have to get a permit.
10:01:04 I don't think that language has been replaced. Effectively with with the staff report. You can try to engage it in your discussion.
10:01:17 But the bottom line is that if you pass Oh, the draft as is. It, this will be the case.
10:01:24 There's an unknown number of shellfish operations in Jefferson County. There is an unknown number of acres, but at least one has at least 600 acres.
10:01:34 The grandfather operations can expand by 25%. Without needing a permit. Producing a bigger unknown number.
10:01:42 The current cultivation methods on these farms is unknown. Now, instead of a 25% change, you are going to allow a hundred percent change in the cultivation methods, whatever
they may be in we're talking about fairly significant differences in.
10:01:59 Say oysters sitting on the ground and mechanical harvesting for example. And then finally these differences.
10:02:09 Are now to be determined not a case by case basis as to whether what somebody is doing out there requires a permit, but that's only if they come in and ask.
10:02:20 And even if they do. It's it's case by case. It's not an objective.
10:02:27 So I've laid out really my kind of a discussion draft so that you could see elements of what you might or might kind of a discussion draft so that you could see elements of
what you might or might not include.
10:02:33 In your in your like your next draft thank you Thank you. Yes.
10:02:46 Sue Corp, 31 Churchill Lane, Portugal. So I wanted to comment on expansion.
10:02:54 I think it should be considered new. The reason for that is because, well you may know the operator so you know something.
10:03:01 But the new land could be a different tide level. Which means it could be closer to native ill grass.
10:03:09 Or the forage fish spawning site or you know whatever marine life lives there. So I just think that.
10:03:17 Expansion should be considered. That's my opinion. Thank you.
10:03:21 Thank you. Anyone else online wish to provide testimony today?
10:03:32 Last call for testimony today. This hearing will remain open.
10:03:39 Alright, I'm gonna go ahead and close testimony. No, sorry, sorry. I mean just for today.
10:03:49 So, any responses off the bat? Josh or do you want us to? To get a little bit.
10:03:58 Okay. Let's see where you want to go. Okay. Questions, comments?
10:04:06 How do you, Greg?
10:04:07 I wrote down a couple.
10:04:13 Let's see.
10:04:18 Before we took testimony. Kate, you made a comment that there's a lot of additional process.
10:04:27 For, for proposed expansions and I'm just curious. What is that additional process? The difference between discretionary and standard CUP.
10:04:40 For expansion you particularly singled out the expansion. You said you were still supportive of having expansion be discretionary because You felt like there had already been
a lot of additional process for those acres.
10:04:54 Yes, so I think, since the last time we deliberated when you and Greg said you would want expansions to be treated the same as new GUIEF production, that changes.
10:05:05 Those permits then from discretionary CUP. Yeah, I know what we reckon or what we were agreeing with but and that's but I'm just wondering you're saying there's a lot of additional
there had been, but I'm just wondering, and that's but I'm just wondering, you're saying there's a lot of additional, there had been previous additional process on those areas where
expansion might be considered.
10:05:25 I thought you were talking about historic process, there had been previous additional process on those areas where expansion might be considered. I thought you were talking
about historic process.
10:05:27 No, just that there there's information about the kind of the, growing style, the, you know, you have what's on the ground to look at and say, Hey, you know, style of production
that's being used here.
10:05:41 What do we know about the grow or have they been, you know, cleaning up their debris, they've been good about avoiding ill grass, you know, whatever, like how.
10:05:47 How are they? What does their production look like? And therefore we can extrapolate, you know.
10:05:54 Presumably information about kind of how they would continue to operate and you know all of the same criteria will be looked at in a discretionary CUP.
10:06:06 And it's still looking at cumulative impacts. Just initially by administrator. To make that decision and then ultimately Department of Ecology.
10:06:16 So just avoids the very expensive. I carry an examiner process that is standard CAP.
10:06:22 Triggers. Did I get that right Josh? Yes. Feel free to correct me.
10:06:28 And Josh, could you characterize what in terms of this specific example of Say there's a proposed expansion of an existing GUI duck.
10:06:37 Hey, acreage. What would be the process that would take place, as part of a discretionary review of that?
10:06:46 That permanent application. Okay, so if And I'm sorry if you've reviewed this before, but it'll probably sometimes become feels new, right?
10:07:00 If that were the policy, which was the recommendation of the planning commission. And that were the policy that was put into the S and P then.
10:07:03 When an expansion is proposed, the code administrator would apply. The criteria and it is general criteria admittedly in the in the sense that the decision around whether to
require a capital C conditional use permit process with a hearing examiner or an administrative condition.
10:07:22 Use process. Is universal. It's not just about the Charline Master Program. So there's a set of more general criteria.
10:07:27 And essentially you would look at the existing situation, the scale of the proposed expansion, what's the surrounding area?
10:07:34 Are there some of the things that were pointed out by some of the commenters? Is there something to think about and with respect to the presence of ill grass or anything else?
10:07:43 Essentially you just take into account what the current situation is and then make an administrative decision, a judgment about whether a full blown conditions process is wanted
or not.
10:07:52 That's what our own process does. Again, universally across the board with land use. Decisions that are applicable in the use table as CD.
10:08:01 So just as an example, Commissioner, Eisenhower. You know, if a, if an operation were proposed to be doubled or if there were already concerns in the area or if there were certain
ecological sensitivities in that area relative to another area, that would be some things to consider or Commissioner Dean, the the long-standing nature of a particular operation, what
we do know about that operation and the
10:08:26 operator. Would come into play and if it were you know a modest expansion essentially. Well under for example that 25% expansion that's for all other kinds of aquaculture then
perhaps the administrator would decide that in this particular circumstance that modest expansion warrants an administrative process.
10:08:44 So that's that's what the decision would be. And would there be opportunities within that process for public input or comment or questions or where at what points in that process.
10:08:55 Right, so So a, a capital C. CUP, conditioning is permit process that goes before handings, hearing examinations, a type 3 process in our code.
10:09:05 So there is a notification and then there is a hearing before hearing examiner. So people can submit.
10:09:12 Written comments and also provide oral testimony at the hearing itself. A conditional administrative process is a type 2 process.
10:09:22 So there is notification goes into the paper or record. Neighbors within I believe it's 300 I'm sorry please don't quote me on that but I believe it's 300 feet of the property
boundaries.
10:09:32 Are notified as well. Agencies are notified. There's going to be, undoubtedly a SEPA threshold determination because it's in lands holy or partly covered by water.
10:09:41 So when you factor all then it is a type 2 process that does have a public comment period and so people could provide written comments before the end of that period before they
decision is rendered and then that decision being a shoreline conditional use permit either way.
10:09:57 Whether it's from a hearing exam or decision or the administrator's decision goes to the Department of Ecology, which has the final say on those kinds of permits.
10:10:06 And does the colleges review have a opportunity for that? That is a good question that I'm gonna ask.
10:10:12 Our consultants to confirm. That particular I know that for example when we send our local decision about this SNP legislative process then yes they will have a public comment
period on that decision that ecology makes our decision about the legislative process.
10:10:33 Now every single condition is process is there an additional Public comic grade. I tend to think no because 21 days pops into my head, but if either Amy or Lisa have an answer
like looking at the whack right now, that'd be helpful.
10:10:44 And maybe we might have to get back to you on that question because I think it might take some research.
10:10:48 Unless Lisa, you have it on top of your head.
10:10:49 I do have that section of the whack pulled up and I can share my screen if that would be helpful.
10:10:56 Yes, thank you.
10:11:06 And Amy, feel free to chime in. This is whack 173, 27200.
10:11:13 So it says after local government approval of a conditional use. Or variance permit local government shall submit it.
10:11:21 To the department for approval approval with conditions or denial. The department shall render and transmit to the local government and applicant its final decision.
10:11:31 Within 30 days.
10:11:36 It shall the department shall review the complete file.
10:11:41 And basis determination. And consistency with the policy and provisions of the act. Local government shall provide timely notification of the department's final decision.
10:11:53 I don't see a reference to a hearing. Amy, do you want to add anything on shoreline permits?
10:12:01 Yeah, I don't. I don't know anything more than what the wax says. I don't think that ecology's ever done a hearing on a a conditional use for variance that I've ever been involved
with.
10:12:12 I think they just review the criteria and whether or not the county's assessment of compliance with those criteria and their own assessment.
10:12:19 There is out that it's consistent and then they issue their decision.
10:12:24 Thank you. And that does ring a bell that I got the days wrong. It's 30 days and they review the record so if it were administrative process on our end, then all the written
comments submitted would be part of that record.
10:12:36 If it were hearing, same inner process, then all the the, information, the hearing, Sanders report and any written comment submitted.
10:12:44 Again, the oral part. They may or may not listen to a recording or something like that, but it's all summarized in the in the decision record itself.
10:12:52 And that makes sense too because it would be unwieldy I think for them to have a public comment on every single condition, you some variance considering how many of those there
are around the state.
10:13:01 And there is an appeal process though for those kinds of permits and that's where I think you'd have engagement at a different level.
10:13:07 It's like an administrative judicial process. Before a hearing sport.
10:13:14 Any follow-ups, Not on that line of. Curiosity. Greg.
10:13:25 Yeah, thanks. I guess one question I had was, I'm gonna get her name wrong, but Aaron from Taylor.
10:13:34 I don't know, it seems really frustrated with the draft today. I guess my question around that because I thought they that the shellfish industry was fairly okay.
10:13:44 Expansions as as new And I guess my question is for Josh about Mason County and that's how they do it right I mean we are if we go conditional use with the hearing for New GUI
duck and for expansions of 25%.
10:14:05 That's. In line with Mason County's code. I know they're silent on new, but they just.
10:14:12 Effectively.
10:14:14 Let me parse out a couple of things that are Christian Brotherton. So first of all the 25%
10:14:21 Standard is only about non GUI. Aquaculture. So any expansion of GUI duck aquaculture in our own master program.
10:14:29 I'm just spoke, I'm sorry, yes, yes, yes.
10:14:30 Or something else. So it's the 25%, it's only applicable to just to be clear about that to non-Goo. Dirk Aquaculture.
10:14:37 So back to your initial your other question. So, this is my recollection of How things happened and a lot of things have happened, but the Planning Commission recommendation
is a little different than the last direction we got from the board in that.
10:14:50 Expansions were lumped with conversion rather than lumped with new so actually those comments from the aquaculture industry that you referenced.
10:15:03 That they were not entirely satisfied but willing to live with what happened out of that process was related to the planning commission.
10:15:10 Recommendation on this. There may be other elements of the of the overall proposal but at least in regard to that type of permit process.
10:15:19 That's when there that was in reference to the planning commission's recommendation to lump. Expansion in with with.
10:15:28 The whack is mentions conversion as a local discretion about what type of permit process, not even like the process that we're talking about, terms of discretionary versus full
CUP, but what kind of permit really?
10:15:41 And that's what I was saying that our understanding of the Mason program is that they they've decided that it's not going to be a conditional use permit for for that.
10:15:49 Again, I would just in case our own consultants have confirmation of that or. That's just my understanding of the program based on the way it's explained what I've seen from
their use table.
10:16:00 I don't know, I don't know what they say about expansions. Again, the whack is silent on it, so it doesn't shock me that some other master programs would be more or less silent
on the the word expansion since we're just talking about it ourselves in a sense.
10:16:13 We're trying to deal with that concept. If you have an existing operation and you're expanding it.
10:16:16 Is that different or should it be treated the same as a brand new operation in territory that has not been farmed yet?
10:16:22 So Is that a question?
10:16:28 Yes.
10:16:27 And it I just one more statement in terms of I know Ms. Ewall did indicate that there was concern about the latest draft after I believe it was the March fifth.
10:16:37 March fifth deliberations and indicated I think that there was maybe correspondence coming our way to detail what exactly about that I did place a phone call to Aaron didn't
hear back so I don't actually know more about the specifics I heard what she said here but I'm fuzzy on what the specifics are.
10:16:59 Any more questions, Greg or thoughts?
10:17:04 No, except to ask a little bit what's, I'm away from my computer right now, so I feel a little lost but where are we trying to get this morning I guess is my big question I'd
love like I'll confess I you know, was getting into to read comments.
10:17:22 I have not read Miss Shelter's latest letter or something. So I feel like I'm not.
10:17:25 Absolutely ready to make a final decision. So wondering. How we're planning to proceed.
10:17:31 Yeah, so if I can make 2 comments on that, the first would be about an issue of substance.
10:17:36 So I've also not read Ms. Shall, Walters latest correspondence to the board so I can't comment on what she said.
10:17:44 We did have an exchange. She I last week about a question. On what the meaning was of some of the elements that we were proposing.
10:17:54 So I just wanted to And I attempted to answer that question late Friday. And also admitted that it was late Friday, so I hope I entered it correctly and was waiting to confer
with our consultants to and make sure that I was answering it accurately, but I did want to bring up the The concept of the legal non-conforming uses that are out there, especially
the non gooey duck aquaculture and
10:18:15 what would be the triggers for those operations to have to get a shoreline permit. So going back to that.
10:18:20 And really, Amy of our consultant team has been point out. Point person on trying to parse out the language and make sure that makes sense.
10:18:28 At 1 point we were talking about not just a 25%. Standard for expansion and acreage, but also the types of other activities changing the types of operations.
10:18:42 On a particular facility like what would trigger a permit. We were and then we're starting to get into like really some details laying it all out and what just based on the
conversation and sort of, an acknowledgement, I think about how hard that would be to track every element like that and make decisions around that.
10:19:00 The proposal came up, and I think Amy, proposed this when we were talking about it to connect it to the whack criteria for when an existing shoreline permit requires a revision.
10:19:14 So, so the whack is specific about if you have a shoreline permit for aquaculture and you do.
10:19:21 These types of things. Then you need to revise that shoreline permit because you're now operating outside of the balance of what was originally permitted.
10:19:29 Now as has been pointed out, there are operations in Jerusalem County that did not Get a shoreline permit because our master program at the time Did it require one?
10:19:43 And just can on that specific point a lot most of the operations, correct? Is what I feel like is what I've been hearing.
10:19:48 Yeah, I, I can't answer on that question. I know that. Michelle Walter has submitted multiple.
10:19:55 Public records requests to get the information that we've provided the information but I haven't studied the information so I can't really comment on the results of it, but
we do have those facts and we can bring it back to the board or make a comment on that.
10:20:07 It is safe to say though that there are operations that are happening in Jefferson County that didn't require a share line permit at the time because our own policies didn't
require them to do so.
10:20:17 And the whole debate about what's development with respect to aquaculture has been going on in the state for a long time.
10:20:22 It's not just Jefferson County. So, and that's one of the reasons why that commission was for committee was formed in the late 2 thousands to study specifically the GUI deck
question. And that's why the report came out.
10:20:36 I think it was 2,009 and then the whack was changed in 2,011 and really we're catching up to that now many years later.
10:20:40 So I guess back to the how we're proposing to use that. Black is that. Acknowledging that we're talking about legal non-conforming uses.
10:20:50 So they don't have a shoreline permit. So how can you revise something that they don't have?
10:20:54 Understood, but what we were saying is that If you consider the types of changes to an operation that would require a shoreline permit revision for those operations that have
a permit, we're going to borrow that and apply it to a situation where you have a legal non-conforming use basically by saying, look, you're okay because you didn't need a permanent
at the time and you've been operating under the under what you've been doing
10:21:15 since 2,014 for example without a permit but if you're going to change how you're doing things to such a degree that normally a revision would be required if you had a permit,
then we're going to require you to get a permit.
10:21:27 That's what we're saying in that provision. And Amy, is there anything, am I missing anything and how I describe that?
10:21:34 No, I don't I don't think so. I just also want to maybe point out looking at a colleges shoreline handbook that one of the kind of the example language that they provided in
there.
10:21:47 Let me see if I can. Get to it real quick. Just noted that maintenance harvest, replanting, restocking, or changing the culture technique shall not require a new or a renewed
permit unless otherwise provided in the conditions of approval.
10:22:01 So, and this was a Kidsap County language. And from the other SMPs I looked at as well.
10:22:09 It doesn't seem like changing the method. Was reason enough to trigger a new permit or revise permit unless it met one of these other triggers like it interferes with public
access.
10:22:20 Or it adds fill or structures, those kinds of things became triggers. I think maybe just recognizing that there's a lot of room for people to change methods.
10:22:35 And practices that aren't necessarily automatically some kind of an adverse effect if you're you know to oversimplify perhaps 1Â min you're harvesting and shellfish with your
left hand and you change to your right hand like That's not there's not a whole lot of effect there.
10:22:54 So I think what we're trying to do is again to recognize that these are existing legal non-conforming uses, but that to add a permit requirement to them, you need to kind of
step over some certain thresholds.
10:23:11 Related to Phil or structures or you know something else that interferes with with Sherland use.
10:23:17 Thank you, Amy. And that basically what we're saying here is our recommendation would be to stick as closely as possible to existing whack to the ecology shoreline management
handbook and those kinds of things rather than inventing new things that then we'd have to we'd have to administer in a way that is unique to ourselves.
10:23:35 So that's where we were going with that. And then back to Commissioner Brotherton's question about the process.
10:23:40 Then we outlined it in the staff report and in the agenda request that we've identified a timeline that we're hoping to be able to meet, which is having an ordinance before
you for consideration on March eighteenth.
10:23:54 And that we would endeavor to. To following any direction we receive today, make those changes to the draft.
10:24:03 As well as continue on that technical exploration that I mentioned before. About the the definition section and also complete the legal and risk review from the prosecuting.
10:24:14 Attorney's office. They've essentially requested more time and that's why we built it in all the way to March, the eighteenth.
10:24:20 So we were able to do that. Then we would post earlier in March. The the any changes along with an explanation of those changes and the actual adopting ordnance itself.
10:24:31 And then there would be time for you to review that and time for the public to review that and then there would be that final action which we would encourage you to have.
10:24:40 Public comment also on that final action. So there would be sort of another It could be the final bite of the apple for us at this stage, or not, but that would, but we plan
for it to be.
10:24:53 Because basically I guess depending on what happens right now in terms of your comfort level with. With what's on the page or any other concepts that you want to.
10:25:01 Discuss. Hmm. I similarly to Greg would.
10:25:13 Would love to hear more specifics about concerns from you, Missy Wald. And I know it's, you know, asking for more time and effort.
10:25:23 On your part and that it's, you know, been a cumbersome process.
10:25:27 But you know, I have. Continue to want to, you know, make this work.
10:25:35 For industry. While also protecting the environment, but I, having worked in rural economic development for a long time, I think that we are extraordinary lucky to have the
kind of habitat that we have here that supports this industry.
10:25:51 You know largest farm gate sales in the county come from shellfish i think it is it's just a very important industry that we are lucky to be able to support here and want this
regulation to allow that industry to continue to thrive with appropriate guardrails.
10:26:11 So, Is, feel, doable to, ask you to, outline your kind of specific concerns about the draft here for us to further consider and you know again we the Public hearing is still
open, so we continue to hear.
10:26:32 From all sides on that, but. Is that something you would be willing to produce for us before we continue?
10:26:40 Okay, thank you. What do you think? Heidi, what's in terms of process?
10:26:48 Are you wanting to hear more? Which you know i know kind of slows the role yet again, but, getting this right is really important.
10:26:58 Yeah, if there's new information on new concerns, I want to hear more. I mean, I feel like I've absorbed.
10:27:03 The information and concerns we've been given and This the last kind of. Area of I guess where I felt like I needed more clarity is that the Understanding that impact or scale
of grandfather operations in the county.
10:27:23 And the It feels like. If. Expansion or conversion. A conditional use permit, whatever flavor it is.
10:27:39 For expansion or conversion of a. Legal nonconforming use. Feels even more important to me because those are non are kind of grandfathered uses.
10:27:52 And there hasn't really been. The review of them unless you can tell me there has been review.
10:28:02 These legal non-conforming uses. For impacts. To habitat and. I'm still my first comment I made about this matter.
10:28:13 6, 8 weeks ago was, you know, what's the impact, the, of GUIK operations and I'm still you know, concerned about that.
10:28:23 So. I am your current MRC commissioner and and very familiar with. The health of yogas and forge fish habitat in our County and I think it's important that we don't lose sight
of that.
10:28:38 But I don't know how to translate that most of our What sounds like most of our shellfish operations or aquaculture operations in Jefferson County.
10:28:49 Early non-conforming grandfather uses. And this decision process we're in right now is The potential pathway to have review of those uses in the future.
10:29:02 I don't, I don't know if that's true or not, but it.
10:29:07 Well, so my understanding in that case would be that there would be, you know, if it were discussion.
10:29:16 So long as Josh is sitting in this position, you would, would you be the administrator who would be making the decision or can you also delegate that to someone else?
10:29:25 That I've delegated specific duties in my department to others and the development code administrator is Greg Ballard.
10:29:33 So, you know, for now, Greg would be receiving. The required, information is outlined in the code here, which is substantial.
10:29:45 And would be just, you know, looking at the cumulative impacts of that including and it's required, it says that to be looking at impacts to native yield grass.
10:29:58 So even if though the existing operation. May have been disrupted because, you know, I mean.
10:30:03 There was either not the regulation or we didn't understand the importance of the native ill grass that.
10:30:09 Now, anything, any new use or expanded use now would require that no need to be a grassy present at a time of planting.
10:30:18 So I think for the kind of practical use of of this regulation. We are, you know, we can't do much about the past damages, but we can say any use from here on out.
10:30:30 Complies with her. Yeah, code and the best available science. Informing it. With the current team that we have full confidence in would review with that.
10:30:41 You know, priority. I mean, but we all have just heard that. A lot of changes have come to regulations and not since we last reviewed our SMP.
10:30:54 2010 and 2014 and you know the updates to the state laws.
10:31:04 So I mean, who's to say who's going to be in the in that role? In 20 years.
10:31:09 We're potentially setting the groundwork for future decisions that We will have no, you know. Based on my mom's trajectory with her current cancer, I probably won't be here
in 20 years.
10:31:23 So. You know, what decisions are we making now that can provide? Some certainty. For the future.
10:31:34 Yeah, I mean, I think that's partly why we have layers of, you know, so that whoever sitting in that seat in 20 years might decide that it needs to go to the hearing examiner,
whoever sitting in that seat in 20 years might decide that it needs to go to the hearing examiner.
10:31:47 And in either case, it still goes to ecology for approval. Yes, I feel like the ability to go rogue is limited by.
10:31:53 With the state in this case You have a lot more confidence in anyone than I do. So, sorry.
10:32:06 Josh has his hand up. Okay. Just a couple of comments on. The existing operations.
10:32:13 So I mean, I regret to say I don't have all that information here today about what operations are there.
10:32:20 Currently operating as legal non-conforming uses, but I guess I would also say that.
10:32:25 There are There are layers of legal nonconforming uses in our county, period, not just in aqua culture.
10:32:33 So it would be hard to, hard to measure all the things that don't require a permit when we're just working on the things that do require permit principally.
10:32:42 Now that said, we've had some complaints, we have a you know, a complaint-driven compliance program and we have looked at some existing operations to essentially ensure that
they are operating within their legal bounds.
10:32:57 In fact, I've exchanged information with Miss Ewald about another operation and And to our satisfaction in that case, she was able to provide the information and essentially
corroborate that they're operating within.
10:33:09 Their permitted uses there permitted by other regulatory agencies and that we didn't in that particular case require a shoreline permit because there wasn't 25% expansion.
10:33:19 That's not a good, operation another operation. So I think anyway. In any case, it's yeah, it's a tricky business then to get into as we know from the short term rental discussion,
well, how many short term rentals are there?
10:33:31 You know, that's a whole question and a whole entire compliance. Program that you would have to develop around that.
10:33:35 So. It's sort of legal non-ing uses. It might be, we're kinda like.
10:33:40 Bells are hard to unring. Like when that policy, to a decision was made by our former selves in the past to not require shoreline permits for certain activities.
10:33:51 It's hard to undo that to unring that bell later. And that's why we set up these clear criteria, try to so when when something needs to usually when somebody wants to expand
like a restaurant or something like that, then we have provisioned or even expand.
10:34:04 The size of a footprint of an operation elsewhere upland and we have certain provisions and we and we decide whether a permit is necessary and sometimes bring the whole thing
into compliance.
10:34:13 Under the current rules based on that change of use or expansion. So. There's that. I also want to say that.
10:34:20 There's been some talk about. Okay, another thing is difficult, I guess, for me in my position to parse out is would be this.
10:34:28 Kind of competing perspectives about what the extent of our culture is in our county. For different percentages even even Mr. King said, you know, your percentage is this and
our percentage is that and you know to get in the middle of that debate would be tricky without some more definitive source to tell us.
10:34:45 I know that there's You can measure, for example, aquaculture operations in Jefferson County that are on state owned aquatic land.
10:34:53 You could do that because all of those operations have a lease. And I know that because I work for DNR and I did that, right?
10:34:58 You can also, the question about, but, but then there's a lot of private tidal and so those are private contracts between the private Thailand owners and the industry or they're
doing it themselves to people that own those Thailand.
10:35:09 So that's a whole different thing that we haven't been involved in. If they didn't need a permit from us, right?
10:35:16 There is the aquatic farm registration from Fish and Wildlife. There is a permit for moving the product.
10:35:23 And things like that. There's the Army Corps permit and it's been talked about how the nationwide permit 48 has been challenged in court and, and, and so that's a whole set
of events that have started there and that's well beyond what we have control over or what have you, but.
10:35:37 I know there was a process too. You know, recognize those. Operations with. In the interim before the new nationwide permeates established if it ever does, right?
10:35:49 So there's that whole process. Regarding the HPA. That, my understanding and I work for Fish and Wildlife in the HPA programs.
10:35:55 I know a little bit about this too. So my understanding is that started out as an attorney general opinion, which later became a whack, which basically says, yes, aquaculture
doesn't need an HP and it's a whack.
10:36:05 So there's nothing we can do about that, you know. You need HBO for associated activities if you have a peer associated with that or something else.
10:36:11 Yeah, because it they don't have that same sort of exemption from that hydraulic code.
10:36:16 But again, nothing we can do about that really. I will say that, anyway, so I guess there's a lot of moving parts about the whole thing.
10:36:21 I just want to comment on sort of the difficulty. I've heard some of the comments about whether we would, you know, require certain things from legal non-conforming uses or
we would get in the business of like.
10:36:33 Really determining whether they need a permit or not absent even a proposal coming our way that that makes me nervous and from just a workload standpoint.
10:36:42 Now if it were something that the board really wanted to do. Well, I would talk to the county minister and say, how are you going to fund such an operation because that's an
entirely different thing than just responding to either complaints or to actual applications or proposals.
10:36:54 So it's just a different. And that's something we need to struggle with in a county with 1,808 squared miles.
10:37:01 I know a lot of those are in the national parking forest, but nonetheless we have a lot of territory to cover and we're a fairly small government.
10:37:05 Considering that we have that territory to cover. We both bought a short line. That's right with a lot of shoreline and you know.
10:37:11 Luckily, I mean, a good chunk, a good healthy chunk of that, is doing okay considering how other a relative that I say to other shorelines around Beautiful. Is it perfect?
10:37:22 No, it's not. But Anyway.
10:37:27 Greg, I'm, every time you come on camera, I'm wondering if you have something that you want to add.
10:37:32 I'm just at a place that I can, show you that I'm listening as well as listen.
10:37:36 Okay, great. I wonder, would it be helpful, knowing that we're going to want to, get some more information.
10:37:46 Would it be helpful to go through the, is it 8 points you have here today and just kind of see where we are on each of those?
10:37:51 I think some of them are we're ready to proceed with. There's a couple that there's still some outline questions.
10:37:59 So number one definition sounds like that's ongoing work. Between the department and the prosecuting attorney's office.
10:38:07 So that's gonna be ongoing. Is that right? Yes. Okay.
10:38:12 Number 2, this question of treating go to aquaculture expansion like new GUI duck operations.
10:38:19 Something that I think we're interested in hearing some more. Perhaps if it's okay with you, perhaps.
10:38:24 Lisa or Amy, you could actually pull up that table and I just wanted to point out how we respond to your Okay, your comments because what we heard was the table continues to
be confusing with respect to how you really look at the aquatic.
10:38:37 That's the principal driving force. Aquatic designations. Why? Because Most if not all, doc operations are going to be in the aquatic and and the upland shoreline environment
destination may play a role the way that we can constructed the table in which process you use.
10:38:53 Really, it's you first go to the aquatic and that's what that's what governs.
10:38:56 And so, but we did put a note there in some blank space in the table. That shows or that tried to explain that, you know, not just in a footnote.
10:39:06 Or you have to go to some other place in the in the code but right there in that green where it says aquaculture and it's gonna be it's actually quite hard to read sorry about
that but hopefully you have it in print form where you have it in your own computers but maybe Amy could you read the 65?
10:39:21 Is am I reading that right? Cause the highlight is showing it so it's hard to read but maybe you just read that one note after aquaculture there in the table.
10:39:28 It says, oops, let me see, except for upland fin fish. Most aquaculture use and development takes place water word of ordinary high watermark and the priority aquatic or aquatic
designations.
10:39:45 And yes, this page 65.
10:39:48 Okay, thank you.
10:39:48 Yeah. That's particularly true for a GUI duck, as Josh mentioned, it'd be very hard to do any GUU DAGGO culture in an upland environment.
10:40:00 I think we still have. A you know a permit requirement there just in case maybe there's some sort of an accessory related thing that would be built but the actual aquaculture
activity.
10:40:11 Would always be. Standard conditional use if it's newer expansion in the water.
10:40:15 Yeah, you know, interestingly, I know why we put the except for Upland Fish and SP.
10:40:24 Okay, so never mind. I mean, and that's even we were just trying to say that there is a possibility because there was talk in that industry of possibly doing that as a preference
to.
10:40:33 Having floating off of culture net pens. And it's still, I think not that I can't think of anything that's been proposed in the state except for maybe Hatteries associated with
fish and wildlife.
10:40:45 But. Anyway, so we, so, again, we just, we put that in there as an attempt to try to make the table easier for people to understand.
10:40:53 But of course, I guess I would also say that this is complicated stuff and anyone proposing GUI duck is going to come to our office.
10:41:00 And will be trained up on what it says and will tell them, will explain it to what it says.
10:41:04 So it's not like the type of your average person isn't going to go to this table and be like.
10:41:08 Trying to decipher it without actually engaging with us on if certainly they're gonna apply for a permanent.
10:41:13 Yeah. Thank you. That's helpful.
10:41:16 Can I ask about that, aquatic, conversion? I'm not sure. Did we discuss why is it now a conditional, a full conditional when a type 3 when a budding natural and isn't usually
the priority aquatic lands, it's about the natural.
10:41:31 Might just. Making generalizations.
10:41:33 Hmm.
10:41:34 It's.
10:41:34 That wasn't a new. Feature it was that we were trying to use the table to explain things that are in the text later on pages later.
10:41:46 Gotcha.
10:41:51 That's great.
10:41:52 Yes. Yeah.
10:41:48 So it's still discretionary unless a budding natural. That's correct. So just again to explain the table just.
10:41:54 And.
10:41:56 Any new GUI duck or based on the last board direction, any expansion. Would just be a conditional use permit, capital C.
10:42:04 Period in the aquatic. Conversion would be a capital C and priority aquatic. Or if in the aquatic.
10:42:14 Then it would be discretionary unless the upland shoreline environment designation were natural. And that's That's it.
10:42:22 So.
10:42:28 Alright, so, we generally in agreement we want to Continue taking some testimony on this question of.
10:42:39 Existing or How are you saying yes, Greg, what's your?
10:42:44 I have no objection.
10:42:50 Yeah.
10:42:47 Alright. Sorry, I'm bouncing around between. Too many different documents here. Alright, number 3.
10:42:58 Product shoreline environment regulations sounds like that's fairly. Yeah, that's just a matter of checks to try to match the table to clarify.
10:43:07 It's the attempt there. But generally, I think we like the direction the table is headed just with that question of the expansion is still in play.
10:43:16 Alright, aquaculture general regulations, address baseline date.
10:43:24 This goes back to that question. We're talking about legal non-conforming uses. So the 25% is the acreage criterion.
10:43:31 And then the operation cultivation. Trigger has to do with this other criteria that interference with public use, about placement of structures or add dredger fill and that's
coming from the wag.
10:43:44 And anything else, Amy, that we're missing on that or any question? Well, I think the question is, were you saying that you're still working with the consultants on confirming
that the language proposed is is consistent with the whack or were you hoping for input from the commissioners on that?
10:44:01 Well, I'm apps. The only thing is I have not read initial waters letters, so I can't comment on the content.
10:44:08 I think we were happy with this section the way it is right now, but it could be pointed out.
10:44:11 Could be improved. We'll have to see what public comment But in terms of the policy direction, we were confident that We, this is a workable approach and we, we like the fact
that it's connected to whack and the shoreline handbook and just things that are.
10:44:26 That ecology has essentially said are the types of things that would require a permit revision and we're connecting the fact that you have to get a permit first place to legal
non-conforming uses to those very same criteria.
10:44:39 So we're happy with that. And just so you know, my show, I'll take that correspondence, Scott.
10:44:45 We just received the correspondence this morning, so I don't think any of the 3 of us have read it either.
10:44:49 So it's still in, let's keep this one still in play. And up for consideration.
10:44:54 I look forward to. Reading your letter. preamble to table application requirements. Does that include some of the?
10:45:07 The other numbers here, the 6 7. The discussion that we've had with you at several different sections now deliberation so essentially to just Try to deal with the BNP question
and applications.
10:45:30 To try to deal with. To make sure to ensure prevention of rain debris accumulation. And.
10:45:37 And also to talk about the relationship between existing permits. And so that all of these are just attempts to try to do what you said.
10:45:44 And of course, we're hoping that we hit the mark on what you said, but. There was a lot of discussion, so maybe we missed something or maybe it wasn't exactly what you wanted
and that's what we'd like to know.
10:45:54 Like I said, I appreciate it, but I would love to get more. Feedback from the public on whether we got that right and you know that we have been grappling all along with this
question of how to not create a lot of duplicate effort and so you know, in some ways, for example, including the permits, other permits that have already been received in the application
could seem onerous and yet it also provides a lot of
10:46:23 information that doesn't, you know, can be referenced and doesn't have to be provided separately.
10:46:28 So, you know, just making this practicable is important. And so that's the kind of thing that would be valuable.
10:46:34 Feedback. So I guess, if you would indulge for a moment, that I guess there's 2 different ways we could approach it.
10:46:42 One is that we could. Schedule another deliberation session. And you could solicit at least written feedback.
10:46:52 It'd be hard to get oral feedback on the same day that you're trying to make these decisions, but you could you've asked questions of those who are engaged and if we orders
receive the answers to those questions you've asked.
10:47:03 And We could continue the deliberations. Perhaps even this Monday coming up. After that, I will be gone for a little bit.
10:47:11 I was planning on my first date back from being gone for a little bit is March eighteenth. If if we were to do this additional deliberation session, then I think already I'd
work with Barbara to reschedule even the concept of doing something on March eighteenth.
10:47:26 I think we pushed out at least a week, maybe 2, because again we need time to respond to whatever direction it is we're hearing from you in order to put something out there
that for people to respond to and also make the ordinance go with that.
10:47:37 So the other idea would be, you know, we just We march forward on this particular. Revision again with some technical adjustments in the definition section and we put that out.
10:47:49 In advance of March eighteenth and we developed the ordinance as scheduled and then on that day if there are still lingering concerns, will simply, you simply would postpone
your your action.
10:47:59 You wouldn't take a final election that day. You would give additional direction and we would put another version before you probably 2 weeks from there unless we could, unless
it were simple, then we could put it one week before.
10:48:10 So then we're talking. Maybe the end of March possibly. So. Those are some things for you to think about how you'd like to move forward on it.
10:48:18 ID, Greg, any thoughts? I feel like putting the bed.
10:48:23 Yeah, I mean, I guess I would probably be in favor of letting them move forward, continuing to get good stuff, but plan for that March eighteenth day.
10:48:32 I mean, I don't have a lot of. Huge changes so I would say yeah Keep, keep, what's the saying, keep clam and carry on?
10:48:38 No, keep calm and carry on.
10:48:39 That's right. Hmm. Yeah, I don't.
10:48:46 I don't feel I have any outstanding questions. You know, I think I'm still supportive of the, our approach to expansions, but I'm.
10:48:57 Prepared to be a convinced otherwise? And you know, I just would like to review that the. Only real difference between the planning commission's recommendation and our current.
10:49:09 Approach. I'm GUIDE at least is that expansion treatment, correct? That is the main difference.
10:49:15 There are the other provisions we just talked about say. 5 through 8 here on the table that are what I would I think they're minor changes to that section.
10:49:29 That's my perspective. We might have a different perspective from industry representatives. Yeah. And I would like to hear if there is a different perspective.
10:49:34 What I feel like our secondary items. That we're talking about here. I'm just thinking though, urally, you know, at some point we need to say this is the direction we're headed,
you know, go ahead, finalize the draft, then we, create draft the ordinance and move forward with it.
10:49:55 Do we feel like we're at that point having not received? Specific feedback from industry or do we need one more?
10:50:03 By the the apple to be able to finalize that. I know I would like to receive that first.
10:50:10 And come back together next week and. Kind of finalize our. Our direction. And the only comment I would make presumably about that is that.
10:50:22 The the idea of finalizing the audience on March eighteenth was essentially contingent upon final direction today so we could do that work to put that draft out.
10:50:33 And the first week in March, the middle of the week or the end of the week so that then there'd be sufficient time for review and together with an ordinance.
10:50:41 So if you wanted to have a Continue deliberations next week. To me, that sounds like we we could do that and then we would just push out.
10:50:48 Essentially it would be finalizing it when I get back. So it'd be something like the 20 fifth or maybe the first week in April, depending on the extent of those.
10:50:56 And so, that's a, that's one approach. The other approach would be We march forward on this knowing that you may or may not take final action on March eighteenth.
10:51:06 Based on the fact that there would be an additional solicitation of written comment and even perhaps oral comment on that day.
10:51:15 And then you would make a decision whether. Again, like you could make some fairly simple things that we could change into a final ordinance that you would sign with decisions
on that day, but if it's more complicated, then we have to come back and.
10:51:28 Put some more thought into it and produce another version. And I'm comfortable with Plan B that you just outlined.
10:51:35 Of incorporating the. Changes that we've discussed for the last 6 weeks. And reacting to that.
10:51:45 When we're next together that would also give Interested stakeholders, something. To actually react to instead of all this.
10:51:55 Wobbling down the road that we've been doing. But are you suggesting that that be?
10:52:00 Then on March eighteenth with the ordnance. And if there's a change that. Lightning strikes or whatever we feel like we have to make, we can do it.
10:52:13 Then can't we? We can make an amendment or update. Yes, you could. And just to clarify, so this table.
10:52:20 Has changes that are actually reflected in the latest draft, which was posted on February sixteenth. So it has been available for some time and Those who are fully engaged,
I think, have access that and know to go to the SNP project.
10:52:33 Page to get all the latest. The staff report was supposed to, think last Thursday, so not not quite as much time.
10:52:40 But the actual changes were there and have been there. And so if we were to go in this plan B, Commissioner Eisenhower, then it would be.
10:52:47 We wouldn't make very many more changes to this. There could be an improvement that the consultants I discussed based on some discussion today, but really would be all the.
10:52:56 Policy issues would be reflected already as they are. With the caveat that the legal review needs to be complete and there could be some changes that the prosecuting attorneys
office proposes and I have a discussion with them and And then with the consultants and we put those in there mostly around the definition section, there could be something else.
10:53:16 If I want to limit. Their review, but we would certainly explain that when we posted the next version and did an agenda request for March eighteenth.
10:53:24 That makes sense to me, that approach. What do you think, Greg?
10:53:29 I tend to agree. I mean, I think we can add a parentheses D or subtract a parentheses D, you know, even from that final ordinance.
10:53:36 I think. Yeah, I don't think we're gonna have substantial changes moving forward, so I'd be confident with the plan that Josh outlines to move forward.
10:53:49 Alright, I will go along with the majority. And you know, but, at some point if the the changes that we.
10:54:03 You know, suggest, our substantive you know, to some degree that we might need to. I guess would that change the process?
10:54:14 We would still be. It feels like we're in the process and this is the right next step in the process.
10:54:21 So people are. Reacting to a final draft.
10:54:25 I feel like there's still some big outstanding questions that the 2 issues the one that, Michelle Walter brought up and then also that industry's reaction to some of today.
Yeah.
10:54:40 So But you know, which is I can't say yet. If I feel like that will result in substantive change, but.
10:54:48 You know, mean so we might not finalize on the eighteenth. And that's okay.
10:54:53 Alright, feel.
10:54:55 Yep, you know, if it takes longer, you know, that's okay. But, Great to have a goal.
10:55:03 Alright, you wanna know that, March eighteenth from 10 am to noon has been reserved for this item.
10:55:09 Okay. Your last date with us Gordon. And we welcome written comments anytime between now and then.
10:55:19 Alright, you feel good Josh about next steps. Okay, thank you. Josh, thank you, Amy.
10:55:28 Thank you, Lisa. I know you've been at this for a long time. Really appreciate the iterative process.
10:55:34 Okay, we will see you on the eighteenth.
10:55:36 Thank you.
10:55:41 Hi, I know that I'm going to need a bio break, but we probably should look at the consent agenda.
10:55:50 Carolyn, you didn't ping me for any time sensitive items. There is. That's why.
10:55:57 Okay, great. Yeah, the consent agenda and 2 letters of support. So. Let's take a look first at the consent agenda.
10:56:10 Yeah.
10:56:07 Anyone have anything they want to call out? I am, very disturbed to see Peggy Webster resigning from the housing fund board, Greg.
10:56:17 Tell me, it's tell me it didn't so.
10:56:18 I can I can tell you why there is a reason I'm sad too but she's doing it because she has a conflict of interest now because she has taken a job with housing at only cap.
10:56:34 On board, but, you know, there's a lot of turnover going on in the housing department, especially of all the cab and I think her skill set is really well suited to helping them
with this transitional period.
10:56:45 So. Happy ultimately, but we do have to find a new member.
10:56:48 But I don't know. Yeah, and keep her on speed dial. I hope she can still be a resource.
10:56:54 Such a wealth of information. Okay.
10:56:54 Oh yes, I'm sure she will. And she's still connected with, you know, the Mason Street project and several other big projects, going around.
10:57:03 So, in Peninsula Housing Authority, she's still on that board. So she's still got her fingers in in the pie.
10:57:08 Hmm. I'm still not taking the news well. What else? There was a typo in the letter, the GMA letter to tribes.
10:57:23 Just in this, in addition, one of the last paragraphs, third to the last paragraph in addition to this letter from the Deaf. S.
10:57:30 And any board of commissioner. The, Thank you. Eagleize Eisenhower? Yeah, some days.
10:57:38 Yeah.
10:57:39 Okay. You know, and this, Craig wants to wait and sign that letter. I'm sure we've do it.
10:57:45 Got a question.
10:57:49 Can you have my signature, digitally? Can you apply it digitally?
10:57:54 Okay, I'll play digitally and then have Kate and Hyde sign after. Okay, sounds good.
10:57:57 Yeah.
10:58:05 Happy to see a bunch of grant agreements here. Funding coming in to do good work. Yep, but I didn't have any others.
10:58:14 Yeah.
10:58:11 Yeah. Periodic update. Yeah, excited to see that go, it'll take what? 5 6 years, is that our pace right now?
10:58:24 Sorry, that's a bad joke.
10:58:29 Yeah.
10:58:22 It's terrible, Greg. Okay. May it go more on schedule than the SMP? Is that what you're suggesting?
10:58:33 Yeah, I'm hoping I'm hoping that's really what I was doing.
10:58:37 Yeah.
10:58:39 Greg, all right, Josh does not look amused.
10:58:46 Sorry, Josh.
10:58:47 Oh, forget the SNP approved, they can get to work on the comp plan review. So.
10:58:52 Yeah.
10:58:54 Alright, I'm having a move that we approve the consent agenda for. February, 20 sixth, 2024.
10:59:03 I'll second.
10:59:10 Alright.
10:59:04 Any further discussion? All those in favor please say aye. Aye. Hi, okay, consent agenda is approved.
10:59:15 What, if, well, I think we're gonna do some briefing too. So we have a pretty packed agenda.
10:59:19 Hello. Hey. That all done?
10:59:22 Could we? Take care. Couple minute bio break. Recess.
10:59:27 Yep, 5Â min.
11:08:31 I have a How about? She's got a very cute picture of her husband on her phone. That's why I just said that.
11:08:44 Have a very cute husband. Yes. Alright, coming back from recess. Greg, I'm impressed.
11:08:54 You're holding up well and able to track. Admirably well back outside though. Yes.
11:09:00 Yes. Thanks.
11:09:02 Yeah, do you wanna jump into your, skate park letter support?
11:09:07 Yeah, I quickly drafted it basically. Heard back from the skate park folk just that they would welcome.
11:09:15 Anything they could do to get in the good graces and fiscal sponsorship of the Y.M.C.A.
11:09:19 So. I drafted this and I'm open to any modifications but I'd like to get it out you know today or tomorrow.
11:09:26 Okay.
11:09:30 Any, any questions, thoughts, concerns? No, I think it's great.
11:09:37 I mean, it's Yeah, looks good, Greg.
11:09:39 Cool.
11:09:40 Yeah, looks good. I think if I heard we, 9 of 3. Different local projects applying for this RCO grants.
11:09:51 Oh really?
11:09:51 Yeah. Maybe 4. So we have.
11:10:00 Okay.
11:09:56 This one, the, Little League. Jefferson County Little League, which is at the, you know, they well play all around.
11:10:10 Hello.
11:10:05 I think the city is applying for the park. New park at the golf course. And I'm not sure if the skate park is going to be applying too.
11:10:14 So it's going to be a competitive round. For all these competing local projects. Just unfortunate, but they are, I think they're on a biennial cycle.
11:10:24 So it's. You know, couple of years in between but Just an
11:10:28 It's great to open it up to, you know, nonprofits and other entities that are working on our outdoor facilities.
11:10:35 So. Yeah, good luck to all of them. I, you know, I'm. Hope they all get funded.
11:10:40 Right, yeah, but I mean, I think we do know geographic. Representation is important too, so.
11:10:53 Bye.
11:10:50 Alright. And happy to make a motion to. Approve that we send this letter to the Olympic Peninsula Y MCA Board of Directors.
11:11:04 1Â s.
11:11:03 I will say, okay, moved in seconded. Any further discussion? All those in favor please say aye.
11:11:11 Hi. Hi. Good. And then we have another letter of support.
11:11:20 Mark, you gonna. This one up? Sure, Jamie.
11:11:25 I don't know how to pronounce her last name. Executive Director for Habitat for Humanity of East Jefferson County reached out and asked for letter of support she provided the
template.
11:11:42 So it's there for your consideration. I would say that. If you decide to approve the letter and sign it, we should probably correct the first word.
11:11:55 After dear Jamie to say, we are writing.
11:11:59 Hmm. Since all 3 of you are asked to sign it. And then the final, wherever it's singular, we should make it portal.
11:12:10 Okay. So was did she drop this letter or?
11:12:14 Yeah. I noticed that when I was going through formatting it and I missed the first one. Was there others?
11:12:26 Well, it's the final paragraph. Maybe I would I would just change the dear Jamie too.
11:12:32 Too if we're making some edits. Good.
11:12:37 Okay, no, I'm happy to. Move that we approve sending this letter to habitat for humanity of East Jefferson County in support of 3 million dollars and federal appropriations
for the Mason Street neighborhood housing development in Port Hadlock.
11:12:57 Second.
11:12:55 And, yeah. Okay. With the suggested amendments that we just discussed.
11:13:05 Currently, I mean, there's Scriveners errors, really?
11:13:08 Alright. It's been moved and seconded. This is, I don't know, maybe not discussion so much, but.
11:13:17 I guess just a good reminder that we should be thinking about, if we're going to be doing any appropriations requests as well.
11:13:25 So, and, you know, trying to be strategic and what those are and how many were supporting and prioritizing.
11:13:33 But the first, I can't well just opened up. For the 25 fiscal year.
11:13:38 So. We should give some thought to any at the top of your list Ted Well, I mean, I wish we were a little further along with the Aquatic Center.
11:13:49 So I think that is an obvious. One, but. Not sure that we're there yet, so.
11:13:59 We all know we need a pool. Let me just say that we really need a pool. Senator Cantwell, help us build a pool.
11:14:09 Then they, multiply it by 10.
11:14:07 Great to call it something. Right.
11:14:13 You know, one possible, request. Only cap got 4.4 million dollars for the the new shelter.
11:14:28 Hmm.
11:14:22 Some of the initial designs might have been. Optimistic right now they're dealing with a roughly 2 million dollar funding gap to complete that.
11:14:35 Assuming they have to build a septic system that we don't get the sewer there.
11:14:39 Cool.
11:14:40 Which would you know it's a matter of 500 K or something but still a significant gap so that would be one as well, especially, but it'll develop in the next month as we have
conversations about.
11:14:51 Kind of what our shelter paradigm is going forward in in Jefferson County.
11:14:57 And I know we have a motion on the table. We're steering, steering a little bit of far, but, the.
11:15:07 But their priorities were for. The appropriations and they said, probably told you this last week or a couple weeks ago they said anything having to do with.
11:15:17 Opioids, opioid addiction, fentanyl. I think we could make the case for that with the shelter.
11:15:24 Absolutely.
11:15:23 So it's a permanent part of housing in particular. So, let's, yeah, let's keep in touch on that.
11:15:28 Yeah. The the makes sense.
11:15:31 Okay, back. Okay, back to the motion on the table. All those in favor of approval of the letter as a amended, please say aye.
11:15:40 Hi.
11:15:40 Hi. Good. Motion carries. Alright, so.
11:15:49 I think I have a noon. Does anyone else have any time considerations we should be aware of?
11:15:57 I think I might have a noon too.
11:15:59 Planning to have a Okay, yeah, me too. So we're gonna wrap up a little bit before maybe by 1145, but can we do a half hour of?
11:16:10 Briefing another business because this afternoon is packed. Yeah. Okay. Anyone wanna start with briefing?
11:16:21 Greg, do you want to start? Cause you're with us right now. Are we going to lose you later?
11:16:30 You're muted, Greg.
11:16:30 Yes, I can start. You're not gonna lose me. I might be. listening more than.
11:16:36 Visually participating, but I hopefully I'll wrap up after the lunch hour. And be with you fully.
11:16:41 Let's see. So looking last week, and probably put some classes on so I can see my calendar, sorry.
11:16:51 Nice getting to see your forest.
11:16:56 Yeah.
11:16:53 Yeah, right. 5 feet deep in a hole. Let's see.
11:16:59 Sorry.
11:17:03 Okay, so last week
11:17:09 Why is the 20 first? Yeah.
11:17:14 So of course Monday was a holiday, President's Day. I did have a North Hood Canal Chamber of Commerce meeting.
11:17:23 Looks like we're gonna be trying to. Really create a more robust executive director down there at the Northwood Canal chamber.
11:17:35 Hmm.
11:17:32 You know, it's often many small nonprofits run into this issue of volunteer capacity and I think we're running up against that even with our newly rejiggered chamber I guess
a year in now.
11:17:44 So more and more news coming on that Tuesday was with you guys. And then, well, I guess not Kate, but, with Heidi and Mark and Carolyn.
11:17:56 And then we had the authority board meeting, Jefferson Transit. And I was a little late for that because I joined an independent financial feasibility review with Mark.
11:18:08 We had talked about this is for the Aquatic Center. We talked about it before. When just Mark and I had met with Sue the consultant.
11:18:16 This one was with the city and It was it was much more helpful in explaining what's going on.
11:18:26 And the the changes, I don't know. I don't have my notes in front of me, but it's an interesting process.
11:18:36 You know, she was really kind of quizzing all of us on. What are intentions were and if this, you know, kind of
11:18:42 I'm not I'm not quite sure how to how to capture it. She's really kind of doing this review.
11:18:51 With the first plan that was presented and wants to also capture possible other changes from, you know, this task force and looking at another location.
11:19:01 As well. I don't know. Mark, can you, can you help?
11:19:06 Yeah, out here. So her draft report. I received that on Friday and I shared it with each of you commissioners this morning.
11:19:20 And I think you'll see commissioners when you read the report that it's rather wide ranging.
11:19:27 It delves into, All kinds of financial risk. Associated with establishing a PFD.
11:19:35 That it becomes an independent entity that is not beholden to any plan previous to its formation necessarily. A memorandum of agreement.
11:19:47 By all the parties interested in an aquatic center. I probably should be entered into before PFD is created to commit the agencies to behaviors subsequent.
11:19:59 To the Pf's creation and in addition the appointing authority which is our board of county commissioners should thoroughly vet anybody that they appoint to that board to ensure
that.
11:20:13 They don't veer too far afield. From what you envision when the FDA is created.
11:20:19 It also talks about how the PFT functions without a revenue source.
11:20:26 And that another. Independent review by commerce has to be conducted prior to going out for, for debt.
11:20:36 And that I would venture to say is a far more vigorous report than the one being done now.
11:20:45 She does delve into alternate locations and alternate construction methods and. I didn't.
11:20:53 Really see. An obvious conclusion to her report where she says, yeah, this is feasible. I would like to confer with each of you individually once you read the report to get
your impressions.
11:21:08 And if you have comments or concerns that you would like Susan Mustleman to consider. Before she publishes the final report, and I certainly would like to hear what those comments
or suggestions would be.
11:21:19 Did I help it all, Greg?
11:21:21 Yeah, no, that's very helpful. I look forward to reading it and you know. 2 things I guess I'll jump on a little bit.
11:21:28 One, she really stressed kind of the general review nature of this. Report when we were with them with her last week.
11:21:35 And also she really stressed how important it was to have a funding mechanism in place that it's going to take, you know, $200,000 or something to to get it to the next phase
more.
11:21:46 Hmm.
11:21:46 Yeah, yeah, at least $200,000. So funding is definitely critical as we. Go through our next kind of.
11:21:53 Planning planning phase. Sorry, your bud's falling out. Yeah, no, but that's helpful and glad you shared with that and I look forward to talking more about it transit too, you
know.
11:22:08 Yeah.
11:22:06 I. I was just gonna ask, are we still, tasks with recruiting? Members for a task force that was mentioned a while ago.
11:22:19 Yes.
11:22:19 Okay. Okay, we can discuss that later then maybe. Because
11:22:23 Yep, I think we should. I mean the task force, yeah really if we It would the embarrassing thing at the meeting was a you know a lot of questions about the task force.
11:22:36 I was like I don't know what this task force is and we convened it. So you know it's a lot of lot of planning ahead.
11:22:44 How about that?
11:22:46 Transit was good, you know, nice to have. 25 million in cash on hand. I missed the budget meeting because I was at the, Jefferson County.
11:22:58 Recompete coordination meeting and that. Cool, and within a coalition is I think working pretty well.
11:23:09 Yeah, nothing. We're meeting in March fifth is our first in person meeting at this point.
11:23:16 I'm kind of more in a support role. So I have been doing a little bit of tribal outreach for that too.
11:23:20 Also later in on Wednesday the 20 first I Karen, Fel and I met with, vice council chair Maria Lopez from the whole tribe who we all met when we were out there and they were
they hosted our community connection meeting out there.
11:23:36 They got a lot of exciting projects going on. One is, you know, they're moving to the highlands basically, which is a massive And a massive lift.
11:23:44 They're looking at a C store, a convenience store right now. So we talked a little bit about that and still looking for a way for some of the barrier.
11:23:51 Very removal and workforce development. Programs can help them but Karen and I are continuing to meet with her, also connected her with, Will events because they are doing as
came out of our community.
11:24:05 Meeting. They're doing a lot of Tsunami preparation, resilience planning and I asked Willie if he was.
11:24:14 Able to maybe plan a trip out there to help them with the tabletop exercise and he expressed interest in it and a lot of their volunteers are really interested and deepening
the relationships and adding more support out on the West End.
11:24:26 So That is in the works. See
11:24:33 More recompete meetings, Jeffcom meeting. We're Getting fully staffed up at Jeffcom.
11:24:42 It's going well. We're also. It's getting more expensive, surprisingly enough.
11:24:51 The new incentives to to attract Employees is working and we're still mostly paying overtime for other folks, but it's on it's it seems like it's on the right path
11:25:06 Did not do that, did not do that. Recompete recompete. Recompete.
11:25:12 Recompete. 6 pre compete meetings last week. That was that was a lot of it and then met with
11:25:14 Yeah. No, Did you get more points, more points on our and committee matrix for that?
11:25:22 Right. What do I have to get a positive result to count? I don't know.
11:25:27 No, no, it's the quantity of time you it's yeah, that's a 3 or 4.
11:25:29 Okay. Yeah. It feels like a little bit, but and then a lot of work with, you know, only cap as well and just kind of dealing with the transitional.
11:25:43 Upheaval that's happening there. So that was my last week.
11:25:33 How's that? How's that going, Greg?
11:25:50 Okay.
11:25:49 Yeah. I would say Massey? I'm not, I don't know. I mean, there's a lot of, lot of transition still.
11:26:02 I'm, you know, right now I'm talking about Howing and community centers, but you know we're also dealing with early childhood education.
11:26:10 I think I reported this out, but like Tammy, Tammy Linster who is our interim director is directed that ECS program for decades, but now with the legislators.
11:26:21 I think it was legislature that initiated, universal pre-K. It's causing a huge problem for Head Start and early Head Start.
11:26:31 Because you know there's with head start because I remember from being a head start parent There's a lot of parental duties, you know, it's a little it's not as much but partially
about training the the parent as well and partially about training the parent as well and involving the parent in that educational matrix and the discipline and all that.
11:26:52 And you don't have that at, free preschool at a school. So they're losing.
11:26:57 Teachers and students. At a significant rate. So it it might. You know, this kind of good legislative fix to get.
11:27:05 Universal pre K might doom head start and the existing. Pre-K systems that are there. So it's a struggle all over right now.
11:27:16 How about the issue we heard about this morning of the. Issues at the shelter. How do we?
11:27:23 I'm working to schedule a meeting with Kathy and Tammy. To really get I'm hoping before the housing fund board meeting this week but I, I, it's the first I'd heard about the
showers.
11:27:38 So I, I don't have an easy answer for that, but. I've heard there is a plan to cope with, you know, the March 30 first impending into the contract and there's a couple different
variations of that plan.
11:27:53 I'll have a I've got to get a enough information to give a more. Complete report on that next week.
11:28:02 Okay, great. Well, and I Hmm, trying to think what's the best. Point of entry on this the So I was pleased to hear that we received $27,000 this year and next year, of state
funds to compensate for the declining.
11:28:27 Oh great.
11:28:25 Recording fees? Is this is that something that we have already? Allocated or, Judy Shepard filled me in that we had been awarded those funds.
11:28:43 It's the first I've heard of it.
11:28:38 Is that that's not something that the housing fund board has already. You familiar with that Mark?
11:28:49 Actually, no. I think it would just join the rest of the revenue and that'd be fun 1 48 I would think yeah so it would just be additional money available for whatever the housing
fund board would want to dedicate it to.
11:29:05 I don't know if it has side bars on it. Yeah, so I wonder could we maybe have S.
11:29:13 Yeah.
11:29:10 Judy to come to the housing fund board meeting on Wednesday at present on that. That's some new funding that as for 24.
11:29:18 I mean, that's like 10% of what we lost, but you know, hey, you know, every bit helps.
11:29:22 Yeah, a little bit of something and there's anyway there's some legislation asking the.
11:29:30 Legislature to provide more backfill for these. Lost funds in particular. So that's. Good news.
11:29:37 Yeah. Sorry to interrupt.
11:29:35 Excellent. Good news. Nope, no, that was the end of my.
11:29:42 That was the end of my week. Do you want me to go into next week or do you want to do all count background first?
11:29:47 Let's do looking back unless you need to, you know, sign off and
11:29:53 I'm good. I'm gonna try off my camera, but I'm listening.
11:29:55 Okay, I'm happy to. Look at last week. Obviously I was here with you all on Tuesday.
11:30:05 For the morning. And then I had a wonderful lunch with Mark. You took me out for lunch because I've been down in the dumps, so.
11:30:16 It was a down in the Ds Heidi lunch, which was very sweet. And then we busted on Ellie to get.
11:30:24 She's Mark's wife is a fantastic cook. I always like to see what she's cooking anyway.
11:30:30 Okay, and then we had the Jefferson Transit Authority. Board meeting in the afternoon.
11:30:36 Super. I feel just.
11:30:40 I feel warm and fuzzy about transit. I feel like they're all doing such a great job and we finalized Nicole's review at that meeting and it just I just wanna say it outlet again,
she's doing such a stellar job and.
11:30:54 Super appreciated, of Nicole Gothier. Our transit director. And then let's see, Wednesday we had our budget meeting in the morning.
11:31:07 And then in the afternoon late afternoon, early evening, we had our first. Working meeting of the short farm work group at WSU, which was great.
11:31:19 Felt like there was a ton of great questions answered and I've been tasked with putting together a little backgrounder on the drainage district.
11:31:28 For the work group. So I'm, we're currently working on that. They just wanna know more about kind of the history of it and how many landowners reside in the.
11:31:38 B of the historic district and I know that previous county administrator Philip Morley had done some scenarios that as to how much revenue could be generated.
11:31:49 From the drainage district. So anyway, I look forward to putting that together for the team. And that drainage district is the reason I'm at that table.
11:31:57 So. Fully within my, duties. And then I came in and.
11:32:06 Did the pre certification for the, school, all the school levies? We were not able to find, the adequate number of votes to Pass the quill scene.
11:32:19 School levy. So it's good. You were looking too. No, but people kept asking me.
11:32:25 I hope you guys can find the votes. And I'm like, no, I don't think we're way out. So we didn't.
11:32:29 We found 3. We, Approved 3 and rejected, I think, 14 of the 17 that were in question.
11:32:36 So. And then, in the afternoon, early evening, I went to the Department of Community Development backlog bash at Discovery Brewing with the team.
11:32:49 And it was fun to see them all having a little fun and. I think they fully enjoyed being appreciated.
11:32:56 And it was fun to be there. So grateful for the team that's coming together. DCD and for Josh's leadership.
11:33:05 And then on Friday. Oh, I missed you. I must do very good. I missed you.
11:33:05 I went to that as well. Heidi. I thought it was great. Sorry, I sorry to interrupt, but yeah, no.
11:33:12 Yeah, I came, I came a little late, but you know, we're doing the tag tink, but.
11:33:11 We were in a car. Yeah. Yeah.
11:33:15 Yeah, there's a lot of, Spreedy core was, manifesto.
11:33:20 It was great.
11:33:20 Yeah, I had a number of great conversations with the team. And then on Friday I did the KPTV County Connections radio show with our friends from the trails from Peninsula Trails
Coalition.
11:33:35 Merrily Mount joined me for that show and it was a great Feel like it was one of my best yet in terms of the conversation that we had and Taylor that our host at the radio station
had a bunch of questions as well.
11:33:45 So really good conversation about the trail and kind of the bigger picture and the whole PJs on the Pacific effort and then.
11:33:54 We kind of went down into the micro and to the local and all the improvements that are happening along the Larry Scott Trail.
11:34:01 There's a Bicycle fix fix it, fix it, station that's just been installed at Trailhead Park.
11:34:07 Anyway, so a lot of things to be excited about on our trails. And.
11:34:13 Then I came rushed back to the courthouse. For certifying of the election that we pre certified the day before and ended my week.
11:34:23 Last week's work there.
11:34:27 Alright, I'm gonna report back a couple of weeks since I was basically gone for 2 weeks. Reported a little bit from DC about that.
11:34:39 That trip and conference one. Bit of news we're gonna be losing our lobbyists in DC.
11:34:46 Crystal is going to be leaving the firm and not the firm itself but right yeah but it changes the value proposition of that contract so something we mark you and I after legislative
session should probably.
11:35:00 Be talking about they don't have another lobbyist, in DC that is interested in working with municipalities.
11:35:09 So might be renegotiating. Contracts. Yeah. Okay.
11:35:16 But had a good meeting with our lobbyists last meeting, a little bittersweet because I worked with Crystal for 6 or 7 years and she's just a wealth of knowledge. Shoot, where
are you going?
11:35:29 She's going to go to a smaller firm. Yeah. Strategies 3 60 is in a lawsuit and they've had some big filed for bankruptcy and oh wow.
11:35:39 Which they're expecting to be able to pull out of, but. You know, losing a good employee because of some of that uncertainty.
11:35:49 And all of this is public. So I'm not sharing anything that is not widely known.
11:35:55 Let's see. You know. Do you see the mess? It's really sad to see people so discouraged.
11:36:05 You know, just the uncertainty around that having a budget is maddening, that anxiety around the election.
11:36:13 And really both sides of the aisle very concerned about the integrity of elections. So it was interesting time to be there.
11:36:24 And you know, just feels like it just gets less and less functional. And it's frustrating because, you know, obviously some good work has been done and we know that there's
a lot of money being put to good use in communities like ours.
11:36:40 And big projects and but it's like all the other good work happens at the local level and it's just frustrating to see they can't get a budget passed and you know meet it with
our delegation and they just feel like they can't really get anything done.
11:36:54 And I know that agencies feel that way too, but. Spend a lot of time with USDA world development.
11:37:02 Kind of focused on some of their workshops and also the our state director Helen Johnson who was a commissioner over an island county for many years was there so it was great
to have.
11:37:10 Kind of somebody to help translate. You know, so for example, rail development had a, listening session or a session on rural housing.
11:37:20 And the funding that they have available for rural housing, which you think would be great. And but you know.
11:37:25 It works in states that aren't growth management states. You know, we can't take advantage.
11:37:29 They really want to build multifamily housing. In rural areas and it's like, yep, we're not allowed.
11:37:36 Outside of Port Hedlock, obviously, but so some frustrating discussions like that. But you know, of course you get that diversity.
11:37:44 When you have 3,000 counties represented. But, you know, good, meetings with our delegation.
11:37:54 Again, people feeling frustrated, just not able to get much done. Encouraging us to apply for appropriations.
11:38:04 There's some, as a proposal that, in the House that we're Republicans would get twice as much money for appropriations than Democratic.
11:38:16 Representatives which has been done in the past apparently earmarks used to be that way that No, the the amount.
11:38:24 That so some Okay. Historically, a party in the majority in the House has had more money for earmarks to give their districts.
11:38:38 And when earmarks were reintroduced a few years ago, Democrats didn't do that.
11:38:43 Everybody got the same amount. And, so it's a little frustrating with their potentially rolling that back.
11:38:49 So might be less money available from our representative. Because of the side of the aisle he sits on. Senate is not likely to do that to adopt that.
11:39:00 So might be a better source. So, so the request from Senator Cantwell is timely and we should.
11:39:06 Lean in. Okay. Yeah, although I mean, you know, they haven't funded the 24 budget yet.
11:39:13 For the 25 budgets. We're 5 months into it. Yeah, so it's a little.
11:39:19 You know, I mean, it's just the level of that dysfunction.
11:39:26 Came back from DC immediately went to Olympia and you know, chaired the legislative steering committee.
11:39:37 By now, anything I have to report on what? 10 days later, is that right? It's been a week or 2 weeks.
11:39:46 I'm so confused. Is that anyway, probably pretty dated, but. Couple things, Greg, I wanted you to be aware there is a, there's a local option.
11:39:57 Tax bill proposal. On short term rentals to pay for affordable housing, which is still alive. It's been it's an exact session today.
11:40:09 So that's another. You know I think we've had something similar in mind but actually having the authority to assess a certain fee tax on short term rentals would be great.
11:40:21 Fabulous.
11:40:23 Yeah. And I think as we heard the producer responsibility act is dead, the bottle bill is dead.
11:40:31 The bill that would allow for attach detached 80 years in rural areas is dead the environmental justice review and SEPA is dead the 1% removing the 1% cap on property tax is
dead, rank choice voting is dead, so lots of dead bills.
11:40:51 Do you know about 61 21? Senate bill 61 21
11:40:53 Let me. Which one is that?
11:40:58 So, Flynn Cap Kill and biotech bill. Sorry, personal.
11:41:01 Bye, sorry I have not tracked the biotech. I know I got it, alert from Jill Silver that Com were still needed.
11:41:11 You probably got that too, Greg.
11:41:11 I've thrown in multiple comments. Yep. No, I'm supportive. I think it'd be great.
11:41:19 As of last week, and again, I haven't ground truth all of these since the, swaps in.
11:41:28 UGAs is still alive. The Well, and urban interface. Community wildfire prevention planning process.
11:41:39 Yeah, that had passed the Senate. It's expected to pass this year. It may have again.
11:41:45 Yes. The Lammered Bill, which would allow commercial space to go from 5,000 square feet to 10,000 square feet in lammers.
11:41:59 Passing, which is a little bit unusual, only challenges it has to be more than 10 miles from a UGA.
11:42:06 So it would allow businesses to expand in Brennan and not Shannon come now. Yeah, right.
11:42:13 Brennan and Kelsey, but not, Shoot. Yeah, I know. Let me get that amended to make it 8 miles.
11:42:24 Okay. What's that? Well, let me. Gotcha.
11:42:32 Good to know. There is a bill that is creating a state pool of funds which could be used as matching funds local governments could apply to the state to use to access these
funds to get federal funds.
11:42:48 So for projects that are. You know, local government might not have the ability to come up with required match.
11:42:55 So that's exciting to see the state recognize their role in that. The bill which would allow.
11:43:02 The point oh 9 are pip funds to be used for nonprofit owned affordable workforce housing is still alive.
11:43:11 So Number of good bills alive. Number of good bills dead, of course. And septage capacity study was moving forward last I heard.
11:43:21 In the budget, supplemental budget and press land transfer for 8 million and in CS forest land, encumbered lands.
11:43:30 Funding was up in the air. It was a 25 million, but it might come that number might come down significantly is the last thing I heard.
11:43:39 Okay. The school based health clinic for Blue Heron is in the house budget. Alright, so trying to you know just make sure all these good projects end up in both budgets.
11:43:51 So I go back to Olympia. Wednesday, Thursday of this week, last time for this legislative session.
11:43:59 Because it ends next week. Yes. An exciting die is the first. So that's coming to an end.
11:44:10 Tended board of health meetings Wednesday, sorry, Thursday the fifteenth. You guys already talked about last week, but I'm just trying to see if there's anything I missed.
11:44:20 Peer TPO, It's a meeting that I have. Move my schedule around to be able to attend more and I think out of guilt I ended up deciding up for 2 subcommittees because I missed
so many meetings on that last year.
11:44:35 Their legislative efforts, and also, pretty strong lobbying effort to try to get the state to fund those that, yeah, they're still at like, 2013 funding levels, you know, they
get something like, I don't know, $60,000 or something for a coordinator just not enough and the complexity has increased so much so.
11:44:55 I'm engaging more with PRTPO, which I think is a, important place for us to be being present.
11:45:03 We had the County Coordination Meeting on Friday the sixteenth. Not a lot to report there except one decision was made, which was to use the quarterly meeting where all 3 commissioners
are there.
11:45:19 To have a update on strategic plan. That'll be our organized check in. So is that first one in April?
11:45:29 Yes. So that's agreeable with you. That was the appetite of that group was to use one, meeting every quarter to.
11:45:38 Create some accountability in that plan. Yeah, I know Mark was working on a tool for tracking as well.
11:45:44 So, Tuesday guiltily not with you all, but Just so great to see my teenage daughter totally light up at the idea of going to Boston University.
11:45:58 Just to get in. but so sorry to be away. Thanks, Greg, for covering.
11:46:04 Did attend the budget meeting on Wednesday morning. Nothing too exciting. I guess beginning of the year, you know, it's not not a lot.
11:46:14 First last meeting we had felt like a bigger agenda than this. Recent one. You know, single data point.
11:46:19 Significant though was, the 4% in January, the 12 and a half percent in December, cause we don't have a payroll in January.
11:46:32 So the percentage targets I think are going to be more accurate. Yeah, that thirteenth month is always.
11:46:39 Confusing? Yes. Tend to the hotel coordinating council board of directors meeting something of note is that The Coronating Council has an in-loo fee mitigation program, so it's
primarily Navy dollars that are used to offset impacts from projects.
11:47:01 That they have. Right now it's basically the southern half of Jefferson, of East Jefferson County that is in the service area for that.
11:47:10 And Luffy program. And the Council is recommending that we expand that to include all of Eastern Jefferson County and over into Clam County so far that tribes and Callum County
have expressed interest and support in that.
11:47:27 The primary reason to expand the service area is that. The, BPA is doing significant work in, replacing lines or upgrading lines that are coming all the way up from Olympia
around to Portangelis.
11:47:45 And so they're gonna have to do a lot of mitigation because a lot of that's on shoreline.
11:47:49 And so it will generate credits for conservation work. So, I am, I have expressed our Jefferson County general support assuming that, but I'm glad to see head shaking.
11:48:04 Yeah, okay, great. So, that would probably come before us as some sort of formal action or I'm guessing the coordinating council would probably come before us as, some sort
of formal action or I'm guessing the coordinating council would want all of.
11:48:12 The commissioners from the 3 counties. And the 2 tribes to be weighing in on that.
11:48:19 Sorry, I know I'm going a little bit over here.
11:48:24 And.
11:48:29 Did attend that very local elected officials convening. So just trying to stay present in those statewide conversations.
11:48:37 You know, legislature is trying to support ferries in every way they can. The hold ups are really around workforce and lack of.
11:48:46 Boats, the capital investments that weren't made that we're experiencing now. So but good that fairy communities are communicating more closely, tried to make it back in time
for the James Town Tribal Library.
11:49:01 Opening and wasn't able to just just get in too late on said a Friday night. And by the time I got here on Saturday, it was too late.
11:49:10 So. That was my couple weeks. Mark, you wanna? Sure, I can do you quick.
11:49:16 So the nineteenth was holiday President's Day and then Tuesday the twentieth with the board most of the day and then we had the independent financial feasibility review call.
11:49:28 With Angie Hong and Susan Mustleman. Diane McDade, Kerry High, Greg Brotherton and myself.
11:49:36 Very useful conversation. Then on Wednesday the 20 fifth at budget committee in the morning and then I met with Wendy Davis to go over.
11:49:47 And the strategic plan the items that she's responsible for. Then at one o'clock, had a quick.
11:49:54 Pre demo discussion with Kestica. And Judy Sheppard and Stacey Predo, I think I've shared with the board that our budget presentation is not real user friendly and so this is
a firm that has software and so we've scheduled a full-blown demo of the product that they have.
11:50:16 And my former county, Clark County has contracted with Kestica. Do we have an inter local purchasing agreement with Clark County?
11:50:25 So any of the event that this. Product is, checks all the boxes for the capabilities that we're looking for.
11:50:32 And then we might have a workshop with the board to familiarize you with the product. And maybe seek your approval to approve budget to require it and implement it.
11:50:43 So. A fair amount of work yet to do there. And then in the afternoon, I met with Josh Peters on the strategic plan.
11:50:53 He has probably 8 or 10 different items. That he's responsible for. I just need to get them in the spreadsheet and have him do a review.
11:51:03 Then on Thursday, and Jeff, come have been bored in the morning. Meet with Brent Butler at 1 30 to go over his projects.
11:51:14 And then of course the DCD backlog bash. That was a whole lot of fun.
11:51:19 I spent about 40Â min there and said, well, they need to be able to party on their own.
11:51:25 Without us there. So anyway, I was really happy to facilitate that. I think they were. Super upbeat morally, I think is off the chart positive.
11:51:36 Then on Friday, I met with Josh Peters and Phil Cecilia to go over the fire inspection program.
11:51:44 Just wanna say thanks to the board for approving a second FTE there well.
11:51:50 Not a not a second FTE, but an FTE to augment Phil Casir in his fire marshal role.
11:51:58 We have a lead on a really amazing employee that's kind of make that program just awesome. I believe.
11:52:07 And then. Towards the end of the day, I'm I met with sharing. Who's our contract manager for Entergov.
11:52:18 And Scott Carpenter and we met with. Christina at Tyler to discuss migrating. Intergov to the cloud.
11:52:27 And a wide variety of other issues and. Hopefully, we were purchasing 4Â h of technical consulting help and we're going to have a follow-on meeting with technical talent at
Tyler.
11:52:42 To hash out questions that we have about migrating to the cloud. So that was my week. Busy.
11:52:50 Yes, okay, thank you. So, I think a number of us have things at noon.
11:52:59 Wouldn't mind being able to. Jump on my bike and get home. Take those in front of my lunch.
11:53:05 Anything else we need to do before we? Take a quick break. All right.
11:53:11 So we are going to recess until 1131 30. Sorry, 1 30 and we have a busy afternoon too.
11:53:20 So. See you all at 1 30.
13:32:06 Great. Welcome, everyone. We'll come back into session this afternoon. And, I said we have a pretty packed agenda so I have to be timekeeper here but I'm very pleased to be
joined.
13:32:19 By our the chair of the climate action committee, Case Culf and the vice chair, Cindy Jane and also Cindy Brats with the Forest Working Group.
13:32:28 And we're going to be going over a couple of recommendations that the Climate Action Committee has passed and is recommending to the Board of County Commissioners to adopt.
13:32:38 So hand it off to you case. Great. Thank you very much. Appreciate being here.
13:32:43 And we apologize that you may not have gotten the recommendations in writing. Which, we had hoped, you would get.
13:32:52 So some of this may be new, but we'll go through it very quickly. Hopefully we can answer many of your questions but then in the future probably have more discussion.
13:33:05 About what we're recommending. So, what we're presenting today is really the culmination of 5 years of work, including that of many volunteers, not just the Climate Action Committee.
13:33:18 And I'll start with a very brief summary and then I'll turn it over to Cindy Jane, the vice chair who will explain more.
13:33:26 Of the rationale and the science behind what you're going to hear. So just as a reminder, in in 2,008 the city in the county jointly adopted a goal to reduce greenhouse gas
emissions by 80% below the 1990 levels.
13:33:44 By 2050. This was probably the most ambitious goal of any city and county in the state.
13:33:51 So we're we were glad to be on the cutting edge. And we set that goal using a 2,005 baseline inventory for backcasting all the way to 1,990.
13:34:04 And then in 2020 the climate action committee approved an updated inventory of 2,018 emissions. In 2021.
13:34:15 Approved a new summary of the top opportunities to reduce those admissions. And in 2022. Approved the 2,001 to 2,016 forest and tree.
13:34:30 Greenhouse gas inventory. Which included both emissions and carbon sequestration. So this is sort of a new twist to what we're presenting today.
13:34:43 Next slide, please. Based on the latest inventory data plus new climate science and policies. The Climate Action Committee has 2 new recommended goals.
13:34:54 For you and the city council. We have them regarding emissions and for you one regarding county carbon sequestration.
13:35:06 The new emissions goals are that by 2030. Emissions will be reduced to 58.7%.
13:35:14 Below the 2018 levels. And we'll explain why that weird number very shortly. And then by twenty-fifty, the emissions would be reduced to 95% below the 2,018 levels.
13:35:34 Those are the emissions goals. The new carbon sequestration goals for Jefferson County. Excluding the Olympic National Park and wilderness areas.
13:35:46 Are that by 2030 There will be 20% increase in sequestration above. The 2,011 to 2,016 baseline.
13:35:58 Which was determined to be 1.6 million metric tons of CEO 2 per year. And the 20% increase would increase that to 2.
13:36:09 1 million metric tons of CO 2. Sequestered per year. And then by 2,050, an additional 20% increase.
13:36:19 Up to a total of 2.3 million metric tons of CO 2 per year. And Cindy will now explain.
13:36:29 Both the rationale and some of the science behind it. As well as the origin of that very strange number, 58.7%.
13:36:39 Send it.
13:36:45 Stindy. Okay. Good.
13:36:45 Great. Yep. Thank you very much for that case. Yep.
13:36:51 Can you hear me now? And yeah, just, FYI. So I, sent an email to the board account commissioner and city council last week with the specific letters recommending these 2 goals
so you all should have that in your emails and again I do want to also reiterate the cases thanks to all the CC members and other volunteers who did all the modeling analysis and writing
in the various reports that brought us
13:37:16 to this point. So talking a little bit about that proposed admissions goal, which we sort of call sector based emissions, transportation, commercial, industrial.
13:37:27 First, the good news is that we've made great progress toward that existing goal as you've all heard previously.
13:37:34 However, we know that globally we're not on track to keep warming below the one and a half degrees C that the IPCC recommends.
13:37:48 Okay.
13:37:47 So the CC looked into what would be an appropriate goal and with our, Ickley membership, they kindly calculated for us what would be our fair share.
13:37:59 And so what this does is for wealthy nation says, right, wealthy nations really should be doing a higher percentage and for us that ended up with this weird, 58.7% from our
new baseline of 2018 levels.
13:38:14 It also, modeled what they, the high impact activities, which is based on our 2018 inventory.
13:38:23 And not surprisingly came up with the same top ones that we came up with when in our 2020 greenhouse gas community emissions reductions opportunities report, which were electric
vehicle, adoption, reducing vehicle miles traveled, increasing commercial and residential building energy efficiency and electrification.
13:38:44 And there has been some good progress on those areas since they were identified.
13:38:50 Then we looked into what would be a good twenty-fifty goal in line with IPCCs recommendation.
13:38:57 Their recommendation is to be net 0 by 2,050. However, we know from our, portion tree inventory that we actually already meet that target because our forests are actually sequestering
many times more than the fossil fuel emissions.
13:39:14 In our 2,018 inventory, but that doesn't mean that we get a pass on reducing emissions.
13:39:19 You know, we recognize that in general, just because we have such wonderful force or accounting doesn't really mean that we should slack off on reducing our emissions as well.
13:39:28 So we looked at the Washington state goal, which they set for 95% reduction of emissions by 2050 and thought that would be a good base for us.
13:39:38 And that's how we came up with the 95% reduction of emissions by 2,050 and this by the sector-based emissions.
13:39:47 So this table shows the various levels and puts them both in terms of the 28, levels and puts them both in terms of the 2018, new goals as well as the in terms of the 2018 new
goals as well as the 1990 level so you can see this is where we were the 1990 level so you can see this is where we were in 1990 level so you can see this is where we were in 1990 we
made
13:40:10 some nice reduction from there the 1990 we made some nice reduction from there the 20 the new 2030 goal 58.7 would set a goal for 2030 of a about 14,000 by 2050.
13:40:21 So these are the goals we're proposing. 58.7 and 95% by 2050.
13:40:32 Okay.
13:40:27 And if we look compared to 1990 levels, you know, we had set the goal for 80% below 1,990 levels by 2,050 originally.
13:40:35 So we're proposing upping that to 97%. And again, in line with the current policy and science recommendations.
13:40:45 So now we're going to switch over to the carbon sequestration side of things. And I thought I'd add at least one pretty picture to this presentation.
13:40:54 I know a lot of other boring text. So this is from the top of Colonel Bob Peak in the southwest corner of the county looking in Northeast.
13:41:05 So we're looking primarily at Justin County, a wonderful course across, across that, spectrum.
13:41:11 So we know that we have some of the best force in the country for carbon sequestration. From our report and we know that a portion trees are really a much bigger factor in our
overall greenhouse gas impact.
13:41:25 Compared to our direct fossil fuel emissions. We also learn from the forest Harvard, that emissions from forest harvest is, and it to be 69% of total human-caused emissions
in Justin County, as you can see from this next slide.
13:41:42 So Cindy brought some of our forest working group realized it'd be helpful to see all the human cause emissions relative to each other.
13:41:48 So this shows both the sector based emissions and our 2018 inventory which is transportation industrial residential commercial a little bit of solid waste and this agriculture
which only includes livestock.
13:42:02 And then added to that or the emissions from harvest and we're not looking at the sequestration aspects of the forest but just the missions from from harvest and that's by ownership
so this is the small public private lands commercial industrial harvest . S.
13:42:18 4 Service in this 2011 and 2016 timeframe had not a whole lot of harvest going on so that was quite small and then this is the DNR harvest.
13:42:30 So you can see if you add all those forest harvest missions compared to our transportation residential that they're actually the bigger chunk at about 69% if you add them all
together.
13:42:41 Cindy, can you explain this a little more? And, it looks like Greg has a question too, but, so.
13:42:51 It is are the emissions from the actual carbon that is released when cutting a tree that There's literally carbon released into the atmosphere and I mean obviously some trucking
some saws, that kind of thing but what all does that capture this 68%.
13:43:11 Yep, yeah, good question. From that, the, the, tree, inventory from, with the, learn tool that we used.
13:43:22 What's captured essentially when the force a harvest, there is a certain percentage that ends up in wood products long term and the the formulas we use there which is based
on USDA protocols and then it was developed by a number of organizations in partnership with ICLA.
13:43:42 For us, it ended up about 20% or so of what was of the what was cut ends up.
13:43:49 In long term in harvested wood product and the rest ends up emitted to the atmosphere in various forms and it's everything.
13:43:59 It does not actually include the transportation of the logging trucks, but it does include, it's essentially the amount of carbon that's removed from the forest.
13:44:08 That is not end up in wood product. So that ends up in slash piles that then decompose.
13:44:16 You know, the variety of waste along the lines in short-term, short-term paper products that then end up, being emitted in a shorter term.
13:44:26 So, and kind of all those together add up to the forest heart, the harvest, emissions.
13:44:31 So is that the. The net, does that already include the 20% reduction?
13:44:36 It does. Yeah, that's and that the net of that. Yep. And we also took off.
13:44:42 In some cases, there was some reforestation of harvested areas, so we also removed that from the forest harvest.
13:44:50 Number. So, and if you, yeah, if you go back to that. That report.
13:44:57 That was approved in 2022 that kind of list out all the details of where those numbers came from.
13:45:03 It looks like, Greg Brotherton also has a question.
13:45:06 Great, thanks. Yeah, good.
13:45:08 Yeah, you know along those lines and I can it just this is a bit of a staggering pie chart I have to say so I guess I have to I have to go dig in that as well and I can, I've
got other questions about the 2, but maybe I can, I can.
13:45:24 Bring them back as you're done. I'm just One. Solutions you see to this pie chart, which is, I mean, I always thought transportation was a huge.
13:45:35 Huge part of it. This is not the proportion I was expecting at all. So I'll dig into that forest report as well.
13:45:44 You know, at similar questions, Kate. You can continue.
13:45:43 Okay. Sure. And I will say we will talk about some through this presentation and we'll talk about some of the recommendations.
13:45:53 You can impact that. Cindy, do you wanna jump in.
13:45:58 Oh, greetings, Greg, Heidi and Kate. I'll mention just Greg to help you get your head around us a little bit.
13:46:05 I was thinking about today. We've looked at this. The combination of The forest report and the sector-based emissions.
13:46:19 Separately, then when we put them all together, we looked at emissions total, but there's also this, you know, 13 times of the total sector based.
13:46:30 Emissions are the forest removals. And this doesn't show the removals, but the interesting thing I was looking at today is 69% of the removals occur on federal land.
13:46:41 The Olympic National Park and Wilderness. We're 69% of the emissions. Occur on, you know, what you see, not federal land.
13:46:51 It's so curious. Anyway, I'd love to have that.
13:46:55 You know, if I if I might recommend we could spend a lot of time discussing this, but I think I'd like to recommend that Cindy go through.
13:47:04 The rest of the recommendations because we're really focusing on increase sequestration and and we can touch on that later.
13:47:13 Thanks. Good idea. Great. Okay, so now, you know, so This is the first time we've had a baseline for How much of person trees are sequestering, and carbon.
13:47:27 So with that new baseline, we now have a recommendation. To set a new goal, just like we have done with the missions now that we have a baseline.
13:47:34 Let's look at goals to improve things over time. And looking at Washington state emissions just as a way to to model this.
13:47:43 We're actually already sequestering about 3.6% of the statewide greenhouse gas emissions.
13:47:50 And take the harvest piece out of the equation right now, but just looking over all at emissions, fossil fuel emissions in Washington state.
13:48:00 We're, ing in our 4, 3.6% and this proposed 2030 goal would add in additional point 3% reduction in the Washington state emissions.
13:48:10 So we really have a significant opportunity here to impact things statewide. And then the twenty-fifty goal would increase that by a point 6%.
13:48:20 So overall, the goal we're recommending would provide a total of 4.2% reduction in Washington's state overall greenhouse gas emissions.
13:48:31 So as you looked at ways to model this and the memo that, was sent to you all on, last week.
13:48:39 Summarizes a wide range of research on this and we won't go into that detail but one of the things we looked at was using our own data.
13:48:48 And in in the data from that forest inventory we saw that US 4 service land in Jackson County sequestered about 5 metric tons of CO 2 per acre in the latest time frame analyzed,
2 11 to 2016 and this is higher than any other ownership areas.
13:49:08 It was higher than DNR, higher than commercial industrial, small public private. So we said, well, what if that same rate of sequestration that they were achieving was applied
to these other areas, which is about 450,000 acres.
13:49:22 We didn't apply it to the UGAs because obviously they're a bit of a different beast and we didn't apply it to the National Park.
13:49:30 Because that obviously that area is already so question quite a bit, a large amount of, carbon and is pretty well protected.
13:49:38 So if we just held all that other stuff constant and applied it to these other areas, including county owned, I should say that would result in a 76% increase in carbon sequestration.
13:49:51 Say by 2050, excluding the national park. So, and where the goal we're proposing is 40%.
13:49:58 So. Yes, significantly less than, but that just one way of looking at what might be the possibility of, of carbon sequestration levels across the whole county.
13:50:08 And how would you convince the commercial and industrial landowners to
13:50:16 Yeah.
13:50:14 Grab an or in row with us. I mean, that's right. I mean, that seems
13:50:23 I get it. I get it. Yeah, I saw it. But just.
13:50:19 Well, again, it's not just It's also DNR. Walk up.
13:50:26 But a big chunk of it was commercial and industrial and in one of your previous slides. So I just feel like It's a little bit.
13:50:31 But the harvest, yeah, yeah.
13:50:35 Unrealistic.
13:50:37 Yeah, well, yeah, let's go through. I appreciate the comment, but, yeah, we'll go through the rest and then, hope we have some time for discussion.
13:50:45 So.
13:50:45 Says the commissioner who gets to talk to them the most.
13:50:49 Right. So the, proposed goal just to reiterate what, KAY showed before is, a 20% increase by 2,030 and then an additional 20% for a total 40% increase by 2,050 of the carbon
sequestration overall the net the net sequestration in our portion trees.
13:51:11 So just to look a little bit at what's happening in other Washington. And Washington state counties. King County does have a forest carbon program that you may have heard of
that offers carbon credits.
13:51:23 What the county's climate action plan has just a general goal to enhance carbon sequestration. They didn't, and storage, they didn't define that number, but they do have a goal
to enhance it and then Pierce County's greenhouse gas plan calls for increasing the use of carbon sequestration best management practices.
13:51:43 We haven't seen any examples of county setting carbon sequestration numerical goals, specific goals. So you all have an opportunity to continue as leaders in this area.
13:51:55 And of course there's much already happening in Justin County. Thanks to all the great work that you've all been doing, including the County Sustainable Forestry Program, the
work you're all doing with DNR to add areas to their carbon sequestration program and also the city of Port Thames and was recently awarded a US 4 Service Grant to create an urban forestry
plan as well as some tree
13:52:19 planting, some funding for additional trees planted in the castle hill, neighborhood. So some great work underway.
13:52:26 And yeah, so in terms of what are the opportunities to increase carbon sequestration across the county. So in the original greenhouse gas inventory, for and treaties, there's
a whole section on suggested next steps.
13:52:40 And also some specific for the county and some specific for the city as well. And those include continuing to work with DNR on trust line transfers and reconvance.
13:52:49 Supporting improved forest management on private lands, which could be done through education policies. Financial incentives, there's a nonprofit called First Carbon Works that's
offers landowners small landowners carbon credits so kinda letting folks know more about some opportunities to get some funding for doing the right sort of forest management and of
course continuing to fund the for the county's forestry program including carbon
13:53:20 management. Other opportunities are working with state and federal representatives. And carbon policies, as I know you all do already.
13:53:28 Again, instead of icing planning of trees and maybe looking at the county tree ordinance and how it might also be, modified over time to encourage, more retaining, standing
trees.
13:53:42 And of course, increasing carbon sequestration in our trees has a variety of co benefits as well.
13:53:49 As I'm sure you're well aware, including stormwater management, water quality and conservation, temperature mitigation for heat dialing effects, public health benefits, benefits
through biodiversity and wildlife as well as employment for non-timber forest products and also tourism.
13:54:08 So thank you for your attention and some of the great questions. I'll turn it back over to you all for discussion.
13:54:16 I think I'll stop sharing.
13:54:18 Nice. And Kate Chedwick has joined us also, a long-term member of the Climate Action Committee.
13:54:27 Thanks for being here, Kate.
13:54:29 Alright. Greg, hi, Danny. Anything you wanna dig into? No, I sorry I interrupted as we were going so.
13:54:39 Okay. I mean, it's interesting to. It would be interesting to talk about which specific policy dials might.
13:54:48 Enable us getting closer to our our goals, right? And where we might be able to apply. Effective loving and those.
13:54:58 Dials.
13:55:02 Greg.
13:55:04 Yeah, no, really, really interesting conversation. I gotta really, I want to dive into that pie chart more.
13:55:11 So I'll definitely dig into that. You know, I always point out that the biggest change that we've made that really made us achieve our 1,990 goals I think or 2,008 goals was
going to a public PD and you know systemic changes can make bigger changes than Then, individual activities.
13:55:30 So. I guess I've talked about it already today. But the.
13:55:35 The, flame cap pill. Bill in. It's in the Senate right now, substitute Senate Bill 61 21 that would allow.
13:55:48 Still culture to do, a bio char basically on site at, a forestry of its, which would take those slash piles and you know.
13:55:58 Potentially sequester or store at least. 25 to 50% of the carbon that's in those in those slash piles and reintegrated into the into the soil seemed like the systemic things
that we can do.
13:56:12 Plain more trees, that's great. I think we can get into an endless conversation when we start saying.
13:56:17 Harvest less. Okay, so let's say we need a hundred she supply what a year Where are we gonna get that plywood?
13:56:23 Are we getting? Ship it in from Canada or the southern United States? Is that how we're going to achieve our carbon goals is to Transport wood from farther are we gonna stop
building with wood?
13:56:36 I guess I'm I feel that there's a lot of pressure that is. Coming from a myriad of sources and I guess I keep looking for systemic winds i'm also curious we're talking a lot
about shellfish at the bosc right now and i've Read a couple of studies about, the carbon sequestration in shellfish.
13:57:01 They're doing studies in China right now about aquaculture. Is that something that we should incentivize?
13:57:08 You know, farmed shellfish to sequester carbon if it's as effective as sequestering and eucalyptus.
13:57:14 I think is what I read today over the weekend. So I guess I'm still not quite sure what the The 2 recommendations are plant more trees.
13:57:27 I think that's great. Harvest less is a bit too You know, much of a just a shotgun approach that I feel is.
13:57:37 Difficult to implement and potentially marginal and it's in its impacts, you know, if we're still using the same amount of wood that we would use regardless of our impacts.
13:57:49 And we're not measuring the carbon impacts of that wood that we're importing into the area.
13:57:55 Should we be harvesting less? I guess that's a question that is, you know, we've been, we've.
13:58:00 Dealt with a lot and I'll ask it again.
13:58:01 Yeah, I'd like to address that if I could. We're not recommending harvesting less.
13:58:09 What we're suggesting, first of all, remember that large pie chart. The forests currently sequester.
13:58:18 13 times the emissions that are produced by that pie chart. So the forests are already doing a tremendous amount of the heavy lifting for us.
13:58:32 And what we're suggesting is that We believe that if we were to look specifically at different opportunities. And we haven't listed them all.
13:58:43 We haven't really studied them all. That we could actually increase the amount of sequestration. Without necessarily reducing the amount of forest that's harvested.
13:58:54 There are different ways to harvest. You mentioned biotech. There are different ways to deal with the slash.
13:59:02 And so what we're recommending is that We start by setting a goal and then try to figure out how we can do that.
13:59:08 And this is what we did with the climate action committee back in. 2,008. You know, we looked at the inventory.
13:59:16 We said we got to do something about our emissions and then we spent a couple of years developing a long list of I think there were 90 different opportunities for how we could
reduce our emissions.
13:59:31 And then we went through this very specific process of saying, Okay, which of these is the low hanging fruit?
13:59:38 How much staff time would it take? How much would it cost? What's the lead time? And then we established a whole list of priorities.
13:59:45 And so that's what I would hope that we could do with this situation is the same kind of detailed work to include the right stakeholders to help us figure out.
13:59:56 How can we do what we think we really need to do in order to address the climate catastrophe.
14:00:04 Thanks, Casey. I guess if I could jump in, I do, I just say also that.
14:00:08 Yeah, I think it's a matter. It's not a matter of stopping harvesting, but looking at best management practices and I know there was a presentation that I received I saw at
a carbon friendly forestry that showed that if you extended the harvest rotation from 40 years to 70 years you could actually generate more wood products and and sequester more carbon
at the same time and and The challenge of course is the finances of that and
14:00:39 that's no small challenge but I do think with All that's happening around climate change now, there is the potential of there being a lot of external money for promoting that
right lots of carbon credits of various forms so I think establishing you know a good strong goal can then set us up well for getting additional funding to help you know manage that
in a way.
14:01:05 You know, protects the, timber products, you generated as well as improves carbon sequestration.
14:01:12 I mean, I think that sounds great, but every time that we talk, we go into a longer rotation cycle too, we then hear, oh, well these trees are, you know, legacy forests.
14:01:23 You can't harvest them now, they they store so much carbon. So it's like, you know, it's a
14:01:29 I don't know. It's it's just frustrating and then you know of course you You don't harvest like let's say we got everyone to stop harvesting for a little bit and then the saw
mills that can manage the larger wood that comes from a, you know, 70 year rotation are all shut down and then you don't have the infrastructure to even process the wood.
14:01:46 Well, that's good because you should let it stay. Even though it's sequestering much less wood than it is on a, you know, 50 year cycle or carbon on a 600, and 50 year cycle.
14:01:57 Yeah.
14:01:57 According to other studies, I mean, I see other studies that say, you know, quicker, sequesters more.
14:02:02 Trees will sequester more carbon in their first 20 years. So a quicker turnaround. I've seen the presentation you talk about and I've seen the exact opposite as well and I am
not a biologist by for sure but I guess I just 50 year rotation, 70 year rotation, is that this what the climate action committee?
14:02:26 No
14:02:23 Should be focusing on? I don't know. I mean, I think that there's other like, have you guys supported the biochair bill?
14:02:30 No, I don't.
14:02:30 Cause I feel like that's one of the things that can change the system. As we go forward and and make the system work more efficiently, I'm in the.
14:02:40 Yeah, I don't think we're recommending that the climate action committee should focus on this.
14:02:46 I think what we're saying is that the climate action committee should focus on this. I think what we're saying is that there may be an opportunity here.
14:02:50 To do something that would help. Us and the rest of the state and the rest of the world if we just looked at what the possibilities were.
14:02:59 And we did that with a group. Well beyond the climate action committee. When we first made the list of opportunities and I would assume, In fact, there are people.
14:03:14 Some of whom are sitting behind me and some of whom are watching, who I think would be willing to roll up their sleeves and say, let's study this and let's ask the questions
the tough Let's look at the tough questions that you're asking because absolutely we've got to include all of the stakeholders.
14:03:32 Let's go to Cindy Brats and then we're we're getting keeping past time on this agenda items, then we should talk about kind of next steps and how we want to continue this conversation.
14:03:41 Go ahead, Cindy.
14:03:42 Next steps, that's perfect because I, my understanding is we're going to talk about goals today.
14:03:56 And has been looking at alternatives and Heidi's been involved talking to DNR. There's so many things going on.
14:04:07 So I and I just wanted to mention that we've had some discussion about possibly selling carbon offsets.
14:04:13 As well, there's the whole legacy forest versus plantations, that debate. But I'll just leave it at that right now that hopefully there's enough next steps on the table that
can be discussed by whichever party in the future.
14:04:31 And I think our goals are pretty sound.
14:04:34 Hmm. Great. So obviously lots more discussion to be had.
14:04:39 So, Do we want to maybe take some time? More time with the, the forestry reports and and then come back to this and a few weeks.
14:04:56 Sounds good.
14:04:53 Does that sound good? Yeah. Okay. Well, thank you.
14:05:00 Cindy and Case and Cindy and Kate. And to be continued, but obviously a provocative topic of interest to the board.
14:05:13 Really?
14:05:11 So really appreciate it. We look forward to helping you in any way we can in the near future when you want some more help.
14:05:18 Yes, thank you for your time today.
14:05:17 Okay. Thanks, you guys.
14:05:24 All right, I'm going to roll right into, our workshop and the public health work plan.
14:05:32 Public health director.
14:05:34 Okay. That's all of it. Okay. I'm gonna stay in.
14:05:47 It's in anywhere. We're good.
14:05:53 Cases also at the Board of Health of course. So many hats.
14:06:04 Okay, I need to enter the meeting so I can share my screen. Are there any other staff members online then?
14:06:11 Not today. Thank you.
14:06:14 Hmm.
14:06:19 No, just gonna use the direct link. Okay.
14:06:34 Recording in progress.
14:06:49 Let me.
14:06:59 I see you'll be using. There I am. Yep, thanks.
14:07:09 You're able to connect. I am, yeah. Thank you. Here my screen and then get into presentation.
14:07:28 Looks good, just takes a minute. Hi everybody, nice to see you. Hi, Greg, at home.
14:07:36 Thanks for having me today. I'm Apple Martine. I'm the director of Jefferson County Public Health.
14:07:41 And we are doing, 2024 work plans for this year. We, have done them in years past.
14:07:47 This is my second time to do this. So thanks for having me. I'm here alone today, but.
14:07:53 Everything in this presentation is on behalf of and contributed by. Our staff, namely our management team, which now comprises 8 folks.
14:08:03 So I apologize that you didn't have this in advance. I was out last week and it didn't get in in time.
14:08:10 But I'll just go ahead and get started.
14:08:14 So I wanted to take a snapshot of what I proposed in our focus for 2023 and put it up there in the smaller box.
14:08:24 So what we've been doing in 2,023 I was using in 2,023.
14:08:31 So what we've been doing in 2,023, I was using the concept of emergency to emergence.
14:08:33 And I think I think we've done quite well on that. So emergency was the COVID-19 pandemic that we were in for such a very long time together.
14:08:41 And also independently public health was facing you know quite a lot in terms of response. And we wanted last year to really come back to our out of crisis mode and really hit
the reset button.
14:08:58 And we spent a lot of time trying to re-establish a steady state in 2023. And we were right there with. I know you were.
14:09:07 And so I appreciate you saying that Heidi because it is absolutely true. Oftentimes public health feels like they or the brunt of a lot of the pandemic.
14:09:16 We did work very hard in it, but it was felt by everybody and it has had long-lasting effects on everyone as well in terms of the work we did and the experience we had collectively.
14:09:25 The steady state, you know, was mostly. Achievable. We really have a hard time saying no to things because there's so much to be done and there was so much to get back to.
14:09:34 So we tried as best as we could collectively at public health to maintain a steady state and sort of bring all our existing programs back up online, enhance them in some ways,
but not do anything too monumental last year as we tried to get back to our our work as it used to be.
14:09:51 Of course we have. Influences of COVID and all the new norms for sure. So this year where we're going in 2,024.
14:10:00 I'm looking at it as the director in more of an increasing capabilities enhancing collaboration. So.
14:10:07 None of those things would surprise you. I think increasing capabilities in public health. Is like any field that is taking what they've learned from the pandemic and enhancing
through innovation through systems work through lean thinking through different staffing algorithms, having deeper benches to mount during complicated times like an emergency, etc.
14:10:31 So increasing capabilities pretty obvious. We have new staff and we have new software and we have new innovations coming online with various projects that were involved in that
have existed so we're enhancing those and new ones that are coming online that we have to learn new skills and technologies around in order to execute properly.
14:10:49 And enhancing collaborations, public health has always been a department focused on community partners and collaborations. We really couldn't do any of our work.
14:10:59 As well for the public if we didn't have those collaborations with the community partners and within the county.
14:11:04 So I just, you can read these yourself, but I sort of layered my response to that. Increasing capabilities, enhancing collaborations by talking about it from directly the staff
level.
14:11:18 So we have 50 plus staff. In our department now. We want all our positions filled and we really have maintained that pretty well over the last at least 9 months.
14:11:30 You know, things were rocky during the pandemic in terms of recruitment and retention for lots of reasons that you're aware of.
14:11:34 I think we've leveled out, which I know our HR department and we especially are very happy about.
14:11:41 That means our teams are full. We just had 2 positions open recently. The only 2 we've had in a while.
14:11:48 We're offering. We're doing a reference checks right now, so that went over really well. That was in environmental health.
14:11:57 So I think we've been as filled up in terms of our positions as we could ever hope to be and I'm really happy about that.
14:12:01 I don't know what the what the trend is toward, but I will just take it as it is because we're happy to have that.
14:12:09 We're enhancing training opportunities for all our staff. We're doing some workforce development to help.
14:12:15 Kind of gives some different elements of employee wellness and opportunity to sort of grow people's experience and also their understanding.
14:12:28 Of different ways that we can engage in our work more deeply. So that might be de-escalation techniques that might be mental health first aid for all types of people your clients
your customers your cell or your family etc.
14:12:43 And workplace wellness, which is a bridge to what I was just saying, more emphasis on actual opportunities for that to occur in our department now that we spend more time together
in person.
14:12:54 And we're bringing people back into the fold to do work together. The management level. So as I said earlier, there's 8 of us.
14:13:03 It's a full management team and we've really gelled nicely there's a lot of work we do together to help one another we meet every week we have a lot of projects that overlap
we help each other understand processes we clarify and Enhance processes where there's been, you know, murkiness in the past.
14:13:23 There a lot of the people in the management team are fairly new within the last 4 to 5 years or even in the last year.
14:13:30 And I think that's been something that. Is really valuable to the strength and resilience of our whole department.
14:13:36 So the leadership development, we're actually going to engage. With some work first development money for the management team to have the opportunity to have a consultant come
and work specifically with us.
14:13:48 As a group and also individually for a professional leadership development. We're all gaining budget fluency. Thank you.
14:13:55 We have a finance manager now in place now over 6 months, which was lacking the position was not filled for about 5 years, which was lacking, the position was not filled for
about 5 years, so that's really taken a a new sort of new energy in our admin and finance division to help all of the projects that that they oversee in terms of the finance elements.
14:14:15 So We have appreciated that. And then we're doing a lot of cross-pollination across projects, which I think has been a theme for me.
14:14:23 These last 2 years is really to integrate our. Community and family health with our environmental health work and everything else in between a little bit more synergistically.
14:14:36 So we're really gaining value from one another and helping each other out and learning cross training and learning from one another.
14:14:41 At the county level, oh sorry, the client and customer level. Obviously we're trying to make our services as accessible as possible so we're doing that in the digital space
we're doing that in the printed space.
14:14:52 We're doing that by actually going to where people live and bringing them services. So we're looking very closely at South County and trying to offer different and valuable
access to vaccines for instance.
14:15:04 So with pop-up clinics and mobile mobile availability, we're also extending some of our mobile outreach sort of our syringe exchange program and our harm reduction services
into South County more with more of a presence there, which we're.
14:15:21 We're glad to be able to do that to have more of our staff spend more time in South County and Mid County as well.
14:15:27 At the county level, we're obviously highly engaged in strategic planning with the whole county and we have our own to do as well.
14:15:34 And we're also working at the nexus of many people across county departments who are invested in climate change work.
14:15:43 So more to come on that. At a regional level, these are some ways that we work closely with our partners in Kitsap and also in clown through care coordination.
14:15:52 Our coordinated emergency response and a lot of rural equity work that spans many disciplines. Okay, that a region.
14:16:02 Sorry, would that include Jefferson health care as well? In the regional component? Yeah, just like where they is kind of.
14:16:08 I'm going collaboration with Jefferson Healthcare. We have many facets in which we're collaborating with them.
14:16:15 Fairly clinical, of course. That can be at the nexus of school-based health centers that can be at the nexus of community health assessment work and that kind of thing.
14:16:25 So yes. They're not exempted there. I mean, they're not they they can be on this list, but this is a short and a bridged list.
14:16:35 No pun intended. That may look like me. That's just a, that's just I do have shoes on and I do not wear a braid but just for fun.
14:16:45 I wanted to talk about the ballast the act that we do. I wanted to talk about the Bowsy Act that we do, so not just me specifically, but our whole department.
14:16:52 We've had staff numbers increase pretty significantly. Since the pandemic. And so space for our growth, we've outgrown our space and this is not news to anyone at this table.
14:17:03 But it is something that we really have to look critically at as we continue to diversify our services and add more staff, BCV new funding.
14:17:12 We're bit capped in terms of where we can expand to physically. So that's on our minds for sure.
14:17:21 We've had enormous budget growth due to foundational public health services funding, which as you all know.
14:17:26 Is funding that's a crosswind and all the jurisdiction levels and it's being construed in many different ways.
14:17:33 But first and foremost, the majority of that funding is just really to help bring foundational services that are expected out of any public health department kind of up to.
14:17:45 Of ground ground, you know, level one, first floor. We've been, we've had a lot of underfunding over many, many, many decades and financial public health funds are coming through
now from the state legislature and it's helping sort of bring us up to a level where we can build capacity and and really think about giving innovation and bench support to individual
and bench support to individual programs in ways that we were just
14:18:13 not able to in the past, to individual programs in ways that we were just not able to in the past.
14:18:17 But we still do remain. In need of general fund support within the county with 4 other important services that we provide.
14:18:25 So I just want to make sure that balance is understood by you all. It is certainly something that that I feel on a regular basis.
14:18:33 Our services and outreach, are expanding directly into communities, which I kind of mentioned on the other slide.
14:18:39 And that means being physically present not just electronically or through zoom not just through meetings and sort of leadership oriented discussions, but it means literally
bringing supplies, services, and knowledge and support to people directly where they are living.
14:19:00 And there are several ways that we're doing that, which I. Probably won't go into today, but you will be hearing about those at the Board of Health as well.
14:19:07 That's synergized here in this particular bullet point with centering and building public trust. So that's the balancing act we do as we grow and make more services and try
to be in the community more.
14:19:19 We have some.
14:19:23 You know, some need to rebuild trust too from the time of the pandemic. There's always been the need for governmental services to have a way to really speak to people that doesn't
feel like it's encroaching that does feel person-centered, strength-based and aware of the situation people are are in and faced with and to build that trust so that being in their
community and by being there.
14:19:49 They'll come to rely on the services that we're able to provide, which they deserve.
14:19:56 Collaborating with community partners, of course, is central to us. I said that earlier and that doesn't change.
14:20:02 We're continuing to proliferate our connections not only with Justin health care but you know we have connections with Olicap and all the different services we use that help.
14:20:13 Sort of tap into the whole health of a person and we're part of that so we do a lot of work.
14:20:19 With our community partners and couldn't do a lot of the service provisions we do without them. But managing our financial and personnel bandwidth in order to do that more and
more is something of a balancing act and we need to be clear on how much we can take on.
14:20:35 How much we can support other entities with funding that we may be able to pass out into the community rather than doing.
14:20:42 The work directly ourselves, etc.
14:20:47 And then lastly, wanted to make sure that everybody knows here that Hey, behavioral health has actually become so so central to so many parts of what public health does.
14:20:59 Whether it's your septic system. And what's going on in the home and What access is in terms of managing your waste systems to whether you're being and seen in the school based
health center and meeting with one of the mental health counselors at your school.
14:21:16 So behavioral health. Really is being highlighted as spanning the spectrum of all the different things that public health is capable of doing.
14:21:24 And That's a priority of ours. However, we balance it with centering our own organizational and staff.
14:21:32 Behavioral health as well. And I will be the first to just. Say it in this room anyway today that that focus internally is really the only way to put some oxygen in the mask
on ourselves before we're really more capable of giving that support.
14:21:50 And knowledge outwardly to the community. So I just wanted to make sure that was clear.
14:21:56 This is a deep dive and you'll you'll have access to this. I will send this.
14:22:02 Presentation over to Carolyn. Pronto. These are particular goals for the year for each of our teams and divisions and tried to keep it short but I'm not going to read them now.
14:22:16 And we've got our administrative team and the things that they're looking at, our fiscal team as well.
14:22:24 I'll just pause here for a minute. A lot of emphasis on staff well-being and policy clarifications.
14:22:31 Onboarding and offboarding procedures, working on preparedness response for emergencies that crosses all aspects of our department.
14:22:43 In fiscal, we're really trying to shore up a lot of clarity in different ways, SOPs, making those, working in Munis more and some modules that we haven't quite gotten to yet
that need to be fleshed out.
14:22:53 I think all of this is really fine-tuned work that will make us as a department. Run much more smoothly.
14:23:01 In the next slide, we've got our 2 main larger divisions to the community health division and then the environmental health division.
14:23:09 Most of you are aware of some of these things, but For the sake of acronyms, I'll just.
14:23:15 Just make you aware that we are. Expanding community health programs not only in our school-based health centers so we're working on building a school based health center at
Blue Heron which is the only middle school that doesn't have a school based health center yet.
14:23:31 So this will be our fourth. It's a lot of work and kudos to the folks at public health and with the school.
14:23:37 District who are working on that. And then the next check mark is for harm reduction services and syringe services programs.
14:23:46 So we're expanding our mobile unit more, more fully into South County, which has been. A wonderful dream come true for folks who are in that program years and years ago who
always wish that we could deliver some of our supplies that help people stay safe.
14:24:01 And, use clean needles and, reduce risk of harm from from accessing drugs in South County as well so that it's more equally distributed across the county.
14:24:12 I would say that Community health is also engaged in our burgeoning climate work and that's not really pointed to very detailed in this particular slide but more on that to
come we really try to think about climate with regard to its impacts on human health, behavioral health, and then obviously the lived environment and the natural environment as well.
14:24:36 In environmental health, we're working on with foundational public health services money, developing a compassionate compliance program and I'd like to acknowledge that Pinky,
I think, has come up with that term and that is to hire.
14:24:50 We were a pilot project essentially for the state to hire a a behavioral health mental health counselor. Who will be on staff with us contracted on staff with us to work and
engage with folks that are having difficulty with compliance.
14:25:05 So it's a sort of diversion program so that folks who are struggling with code violations and there is a lot more going on in the family generationally or otherwise that keeps
that cycle.
14:25:18 Repeating itself that we're able to sort of divert and stop that cycle from just being punitive, but try to find other ways to help individuals and families move through the
process to some sort of resolution.
14:25:31 That's super excited. Yeah, it's very, very unique and I think as soon as we're able to really dig in and.
14:25:38 Get some of that happening and it's a pilot project. Again, we will be looked at by other places around the state.
14:25:44 Integral obviously comes up. That's EPL. We've had a good workshop on that recently and in January with our project manager Cherie and there's a lot going on in that sphere
and that continues.
14:25:59 And then revising on subseptic code. Do you mind a question from Greg at this point?
14:26:05 Sure.
14:26:06 Just a comment really. Thanks. really exciting about the I don't know.
14:26:13 Navigator compliance is what it sounds like to me. I just want I'm with Heidi.
14:26:16 I wanna hear more. Is that, is that program matured? That would be great. Sounds exciting.
14:26:20 Absolutely. The Board of Health will likely be the best place for that to really get fleshed out as it.
14:26:27 Really becomes live. The contracting process is already underway and we've we've got a behavioral health counsellor who's kinda Ready, ready to go.
14:26:38 We're working on some policies because that needs to precede the actual engagement and then that person is also part of their contract is to help train the environmental health
staff.
14:26:47 Who technically don't have that background in their education. That's more seems to be on the clinic side of our house is that experience working with people who are struggling
with behavioral health issues.
14:26:58 And so there's quite a few trainings that that individual will be providing the environmental health staff specifically for these reasons.
14:27:05 But we will let you know. Just so you know, we only have about 5Â min. Okay. This is a dense slide.
14:27:11 I'm not going to read all these water quality and natural resources. Are quite busy. A lot of it has to do with things that they typically do and are continuing to do with regard
to monitoring bodies of water obviously shelfish biotoxins.
14:27:29 I don't know in water quality there's I don't think everything on there is something that you likely are fairly familiar with, just continuation of a lot of the work that takes
endless amount of time to do sampling and analysis and monitoring and then obviously letting the public know when there's a problem that we need to be conscientious and safe around.
14:27:48 In natural resources, Tammy is always, always busy. Working on shelling out grant money to make sure that those are used throughout all of Jefferson County.
14:28:00 She's just finished a funding cycle for conservation futures and has 3 new grant agreements which are exciting and she's working on those.
14:28:07 She's doing work in the dosi wallets river flood plain and has 3 active projects there.
14:28:14 There's no end of things that Tammy's involved in and busy with with regard to helping really invest in and help protect the natural steward of lands and busy with with regard
to helping, really invest in and help protect the natural, natural steward of lands.
14:28:28 And I'll we just got notification that the closure of the. 100 and 20 acres in the quimper wildlife corridor is imminent of that transaction being finalized so Yeah, from DNR.
14:28:38 So that's super exciting. And the work since 2,009. That's a long time.
14:28:44 Yeah, way to go. I would just say that here with Anna's work and human services, she's like by and large responsible for behavioral health work as with the one tenth of 1%.
14:28:56 Treatment sales tax that helps, dull out funds to local organizations and and folks who are working to fill in the gaps of the behavioral health system.
14:29:07 She also is in charge of accessibility and people with intellectual and developmental disabilities. So she again is going through a another iteration of the accessible communities
advisory committee grants that get doled out every few years.
14:29:23 So she's, she's busy. She's also really developing this new school to work program for every Jefferson County school and she's hiring a first employee to join her in her division.
14:29:37 This will be, we will recruit and fill up position for a new transition specialist that's coming up to help make sure that we're abiding by the law and following all the requests
to make sure that school award programs are available to all children with disabilities in in the county and across the state.
14:29:54 And in our community health improvements, so the Chaw Chip group, they've hired. Epidemiologist which was on the list for last year so we've done that and we're really glad
to have Alyssa and Valencia in our midst.
14:30:09 And they're engaged right now in focus surveys and community meetings coming up. To understand social deterrence of health and social justice concerns, especially relative to
South County and then this concept will be moving around the entire county.
14:30:22 So we'll head out to the West End additionally. More to come on that and she is continuing her COVID resiliency work.
14:30:31 Stuff that actually work that came out of the last chip but then had some relevance through COVID and has persisted and those 2 aspects are the youth age band which is really
focused on youth mental health and suicide prevention they're doing all kinds of things really incredible stuff we're even having another say firearm storage event this time in Chimicum
last time in quill scene as a as a touch point for preventing youth suicide or
14:30:58 harm by firearms but also just to give citizens access to safe supplies to keep their firearms safe in their home.
14:31:07 And otherwise, the Immunizations work group continues on and they're doing a lot of vaccine equity work.
14:31:12 So access to vaccine across equitable lens and then collaboration across the school districts. And I'll just end with.
14:31:22 Collage of places where we were in the county last year that we will continue to be.
14:31:27 In iteratively this year. So we have Board of Health, Public Health Heroes Awards that are up there in the far right.
14:31:34 At the very top you can see our practitioner, Melinda Bower, and Karen Obermeyer with WIC, really helping flush out our South County clinic, which is down on Highway 100, and
one behind the post office.
14:31:47 You can see Veronica Shaw having a good time at Pride where we often have a really great booth and lots of prizes and engagement and people picking up lots of great supplies
that we have on offer.
14:32:02 You can also see Ocean Mason who's there in the very middle. Passing out home reduction supplies at the nest which they do often And then below that, you can see a little person
that Cyprus.
14:32:16 She's, she was visiting us for bring your child to work day last April and we're gonna do that again.
14:32:21 She's talking to Emma about sewers. Down below we had a summit on. On wildfire smoke and how to protect ourselves from that and what coordination we need to do to help those
who are more vulnerable.
14:32:37 You can see a little bit over to the right. There's Laura Tucker talking with a group of folks at the Food Summit, which we'll have again.
14:32:45 Further to the right is us at the All County Picnic passing out the great supplies and providing some games for kids and just making a lot of connections in the community and
then right there in the middle you can see a large group of folks that was at the Kolsene community center when we had the safe firearm.
14:33:05 Event down there in quote scene and that's our our photograph with our friends from Seattle Children's who came out to help us.
14:33:11 Support having the event and brought us for free all of the hundreds of trigger locks and lockboxes that we were able to pass out.
14:33:19 And that opportunity will come again on April sixth in Chimican. And that's it. Great.
14:33:29 Yeah, thank you, Apple. Craig, your hand is up. Is that, Lingering hand or do you have a question or comment?
14:33:40 No, great presentation. That was a lingering hand, but I'll take advantage to thank Apple and all the software.
14:33:47 All the good work that transitions to from school to work is really exciting with Anna and that I think I believe Apple is funded entirely from external sources as well, right?
14:33:57 Okay. Mostly, yes.
14:33:57 Not entirely, but mostly. Yeah, yeah.
14:34:01 Yeah, good stuff.
14:34:03 Thank you. It is really hard to put it all in. 15Â min, but yeah, and I think we're lucky that we get to hear more about public health than we do many departments because of
the Board of Health.
14:34:17 And so it's I feel like we fly a little closer to you than we do other departments. So I know it's a lot to cover but.
14:34:20 Yeah, I don't feel unaware of the work that public health. We really appreciate the integration of your thinking and your camaraderie around the things that matter to us and
just even keeping you know a beat with us or keeping your finger on the pulse with, I mean, it is really hard to encapsulate as many things as we do do for a very small health department.
14:34:41 And I, we pride ourselves on that and we also you know, work, we want to work more and more and more to help communicate all of those things to the people who need to know and
you guys do a good job of tracking with us.
14:34:54 I appreciate that.
14:34:57 Alright, well thank you so much. And we're not going very far field because we have Donna Frost home here.
14:35:08 Talk about big and little quilts, comprehensive flood management plan. And let's see, is Josh joining us on line?
14:35:18 Okay. I thought that image did look like you. I know you don't wear your That your husband does.
14:35:28 It's like a matchup with you, I'll tell him you said. So, I'm telling you.
14:35:35 You's like a joint avatar. So there's no shoes and I'm not gonna go over there with that.
14:35:41 How are you? You know, yeah, that's how it feels.
14:35:48 It's a stance. Sorry. Just, Donna, if you wanna, are you just?
14:35:54 Well, you'll, you'll come join us, right? The table? And, are you doing the presentation or is Josh?
14:36:02 I. Okay, great.
14:36:08 Hi.
14:36:13 Alright. We enjoyed reading the. Reports last night so I'm excited to hear more. Let me just get this open.
14:36:28 So we are. Conducting and hearing and celebrations considering adoption of a resolution which is the comprehensive flood hazard management plan for the big and little, seen
rivers.
14:36:43 I think I'll go ahead and open up the hearing. So who may get a handed off for information?
14:36:49 Is that? You start this off Donna or Josh? I can start this off unless Josh wants to say something.
14:36:57 And if you don't mind pulling the microphone, it's hard for folks at home to hear.
14:37:11 Okay.
14:37:01 I'll jump in Chair Dean just for just for a brief moment just to introduce the topic in general, Josh Peters community development director, associate planner Donna Frost, will
will be given the presentation and answering all the questions that she can about the plan.
14:37:15 Essentially, we received Grant funding from the Department of College to work on this flip plan plan for the big a little quilting rivers and and part of the requirement is
to have a public hearing before we adopt the plan.
14:37:26 So that's essentially what Donna is going to talk about. I hand it right off to Donna.
14:37:30 Yeah, and I guess I'm planning on keeping this brief. In case there is somebody who wants to make comments but yes this is one of this plan was one of the 3 grants that we got
a couple of years ago and was needed to be completed by June thirtieth.
14:37:48 By that day, the Department of Ecology had approved the plan and this plan had been prepared by a number of County staff.
14:37:59 Local, state, federal entity agencies, local organizations, tribes who are very much involved. And so it was a group effort to put this plan together and all meetings were.
14:38:14 The public was welcome to comment as was, there was 2 meetings in which the public could provide comments the first one was on the direction that we were going with the plan.
14:38:25 It was presented and we were able to take comments. And then the second one was. Feedback once the plan had been drafted.
14:38:32 So we are at the point now where this plan, which takes into consideration the existing conditions on a number for a number of factors, natural environment, demographics, infrastructure,
that type of thing was assessed.
14:38:47 And then We had a consultant on board who then helped us work out some management strategies. So there's 25 in this report, 25 management strategies.
14:39:01 There even though this is a planning grant, it is the work that's in here, the 25 recommendations can be done by others.
14:39:14 It doesn't have to be Department of Community Development Work. In fact, 2 of the priority ones.
14:39:18 Our restoration efforts, you know, along the big quill, which Quid Canal Salmon Enhancement Group is taking the lead for.
14:39:24 So it's just work in these 2 drainage basins and the focus of The recommendations is those areas that are within the FEMA flood plane.
14:39:38 So we are looking at the areas. Even though the plan and takes a look at all the natural conditions that affect the lower reaches of the stream, which is what this report addresses
the areas that are within county jurisdiction.
14:39:54 It also takes into account, you know, the dynamics that are happening upgraded on the forest land.
14:40:00 But all the recommendations have pertained to FEMA floodplain, which is within county jurisdiction. And I guess the final thing I'll say before we see if we have any comments
is that
14:40:17 The plan also shows you know how to evaluate these. Some of these are very easy and cost-effective to do.
14:40:27 Others take longer time, may have more costs and this plan does not. Does not in any way require us to expand future funds.
14:40:40 This is just us. Footstep if we want to go for more grant funding. If it's in this approved document, we can go for it.
14:40:47 And so there's a matrix in there that helps with the decision-making process for how to prioritize depending on the type of funding and the amount of funding.
14:40:56 And so any questions on that? No, before we open it up for, testimony.
14:41:04 Heidi, Greg, anything? No, no questions from me.
14:41:09 I had one question. Thanks for this, Don. I really like Kate really enjoyed reading through it. What I was just It was on page 34.
14:41:22 Can't find my nose now. 25% of the people living in this area were living in you know, an RV or a boat or something.
14:41:33 I mean, it was like, I couldn't tell if that was a department of. Health, stat or a census stat.
14:41:41 I mean, it's not to to bulk on the whole report or anything. It just I found a sad.
14:41:46 Right. Yeah, and so, IS part of the demographics analysis and the demographics which, if I'm remembering correctly is based on census information.
14:42:02 That polygon that's used. For the census information and the demographics didn't.
14:42:09 Quite match up with our study area. So it's a little off, but it is the closest that we could come to making statements about the demographics in this area.
14:42:25 Gotcha. Yeah, that's fine. It was a comment as much as anything. So it, there's no question really there.
14:42:26 Okay. Okay. Okay.
14:42:32 You know, The one the one is Small issue I had it said, you know. Well, I guess there were there were people like you had 2 or 3 people at different meetings from the public,
you know, it just it was it was mostly a professional.
14:42:48 Group of stakeholders that that help you write them. Correct.
14:42:52 Correct. Yes, correct. This there were members of the general public quilting like or maybe a local business owner, but nobody.
14:43:03 Volunteered to participate on a regular basis, but there was opportunities for those who were so inclined to provide comments at every meeting that was held.
14:43:14 Great. And I mean, many of the strategies that are outlined here are already kind of underway or have been underway sometimes for 30 years, right?
14:43:23 So there's no, not a lot of big mysteries here. The one other, I guess, a mission that I was curious about was the the Raise Grant at the Jamestown Scalom and They see.
14:43:35 Okay, now same enhancement got for the big quilting bridge. I was wondering, did I, did I miss mention of that?
14:43:43 Pretty substantial project that's going to impact this.
14:43:45 Okay, so if that project was discussed in general terms as one of the recommended strategies and there is a figure in there that does show Moon Valley in the lower one mile
projects.
14:44:00 Yeah.
14:44:02 And so it is in there and it is also in the report is one of the highly recommended of the 25 they picked 5 or 6 well the team with department of ecology picked 5 or 6 and both
of those hood canal salmon enhancement group projects are the high, are on the highly recommended list.
14:44:22 Great. Thank you.
14:44:25 In the opportunities that did exist for public input, it sounds like you didn't have a lot of kind of ongoing participation, but did you feel like you got some meaningful input
in those public meetings?
14:44:40 We, yes, we. We did. The And.
14:44:49 And everything was considered. I guess I would say one of the things. Would be there, you know, there's limits, you know, some of it has to do with acquisition of properties,
which maybe beyond what this report could do.
14:45:04 And this report also focuses on non-structural, so you won't be seeing things like hard armoring in there.
14:45:11 So those types of things came in but they might not necessarily be reflected. This document. Does that make sense?
14:45:21 So yes, it was all everything that came in was considered.
14:45:26 But it may not necessarily, it may have been beyond what this. Could be recommended in this report. Alright, well I think it will open up the hearing for.
14:45:41 Testimony. So if there are any members of the public, they would need to be online. There's nobody here in the room with us who would like to provide public testimony.
14:45:51 The resolution and the plan that was in our agenda packet today. Please hit raise hand. You have up to 3Â min.
14:46:00 You need to state your name and place a residence. And limit your comments to the resolution and the plan attached.
14:46:10 So anyone from the public that would like to provide testimony today.
14:46:19 There are no Okay, last call.
14:46:26 Alright. Maybe I'll just call out a couple of things that stood out to me. I will close public testimony for this hearing.
14:46:39 And Move back into deliberation. I was kind of shocked. It was at the the little quill scene bridge that looked like it was just like a few timbers sacked on top of one another.
14:46:55 That's it was a little shocking, it's slated for replacement. So, shouldn't be too surprised, but, that that I was.
14:47:04 Yeah, struck by that. I did have one. In the recommendations at the end of the report.
14:47:16 I just had a little. A little knowing how kind of triggering acquisition can be for some members of the public.
14:47:26 You know, there's some distrust around land grabs from public institutions and such.
14:47:31 I was I was glad to see you did call out the willing landowner part that I part of me had wished that in the kind of title of that recommendation that willing landowner had
been like in the title, just because it's it calls that acquisition and, you know, while we know that that has to be willing landowners.
14:47:53 It's it worries me a little bit that in a plan that it's. Something easy for folks to jump on and get very concerned about.
14:48:03 And. I'd also cut my eye what Greg called out the 25% folks living in temporary structures.
14:48:10 Although when you see the half of the population household income is $50,000 or less, you know, that, that jobs somehow, how challenging it would be at that income level to
have more.
14:48:24 A more permanent and likely expensive home. So. You know, these things, close and we know that, and we know that.
14:48:35 It's often low income folks who live in these areas at higher risk and are vulnerable. So also drive some of the importance of doing.
14:48:42 This planning work as well as implementing the recommendations. So. And I can just add to that is that.
14:48:50 These grants when they were giving being given out that the as we applied for it we had to make We had to demonstrate that there were some limitations in certain ways, whether,
you know, it could be English speaking, it could be income, it could be health, but it, you know, we were able to get these grants because there was you know, a need for it, you know,
in basically.
14:49:18 This area. So the state maps reflect. That this area could benefit from the information. One area that I both got focused on was the.
14:49:35 He'll drive community. And I noticed that the. Implementation considerations, you know, there's there's It's a planning process for that community.
14:49:47 And I'm sorry if I didn't find it later in the document, but is there like a proposed action plan to actually implement whatever comes out of the planning process because that
seems like a really sensitive part of this whole project.
14:50:02 So the plan is recommending that there be some sort of planning effort, but it and it is one of the highly recommended recommendations in the report, but it it acknowledges
that It has to be willing participation from the Hidden Dale community.
14:50:24 But I agree with you that is an area where they're in the flood. Flood, so they're more at risk and So does that answer?
14:50:38 Yeah, I was just in reading and I was just trying to imagine. Of what any findings of a study might find.
14:50:46 I mean, how much would something like that cost to? You know, ameliorate those. Risks right and so the starting point could potentially be something that's very cost effective
you know trying to arrange a meeting with the residents and seeing how open they are to.
14:51:09 Having that type of discussion. I mean, having a planning level discussion for the properties that are in the flood way.
14:51:19 Well, I remember from the comments is that they were, you know, they were concerned a little bit that, you know.
14:51:27 That this document could put in some way perchlude future development. And I made it very clear this is just a long-term planning document.
14:51:36 This isn't regulation. Right. And so. But there, you know, there are some people who are still looking to build in the flood way there.
14:51:49 So it would be, I think, a good conversation to have.
14:51:57 Assuming we have, you know, staff and the funds and all that. For some reason that stuck out for me.
14:52:03 I was like, wow. Yeah, well, when they're in the flood way, it jumps out.
14:52:09 And can you remind me where that area is? That is along the upper reaches of the big quill scene river.
14:52:17 It's just below the forest or the forest federal land, the forest service and where our jurisdiction starts.
14:52:26 So it's like right there at that line. So basically the upper limits of the big quilting river in Jefferson County.
14:52:29 If you look at page 66 of the document, there's a map on Ariel.
14:52:36 It's very aptly named because you wouldn't notice it, but if you go down this really steep hill.
14:52:40 Cut out the right of highway one to one as you're going south, you know, just, you know, just before Walker, I guess.
14:52:47 Hmm.
14:52:46 Not Walker. It's, you know, a whole little block and you know, the whole that road getting up there if there is a flood it's like The evacuation of those houses would be a challenge,
you know, much less, you know, keeping them safe in a in a high water events.
14:53:02 It's a lovely neighborhood as well. Though so it's it is it's challenging. You need help reaching out to them if we do get funding for that ed.
14:53:09 I know some folks down there, so happy to. To help the Azone.
14:53:13 Well, that would be good. Interesting.
14:53:20 So I'm looking where's the hatchery. In comparison. Just about. It's on the.
14:53:25 Oh. Cool things. Thank you.
14:53:31 On that page 66, it's also in the lower left corner. So. Is it Mark?
14:53:37 Huh, it is. It's another one that's Yeah. Okay. Thanks.
14:53:49 Well, I would. Entertain a motion to. To adopt the resolution that was attached to.
14:54:00 I'm happy to make a motion that we adopt a resolution in the manner of the big quill scene and little quilting resolution in the manner of the big quil scene and little Kilcene,
in the manner of the big quil scene and little Kilcin rivers comprehensive flood hazard management plan repealing and replacing resolution number 58.
14:54:16 Okay.
14:54:17 Thank you. And so approval of this resolution adopts the plan is that
14:54:27 Sufficient this it taking this section? Yes, abduction by resolution. Yes. All right.
14:54:33 Any further discussion? All those in favor of approval of the resolution, please say aye. Aye.
14:54:40 Hi, alright, passes unanimously. Thank you very much, Donna. Okay, thank you. Right.
14:54:48 And Josh. I learned a great deal. Sometimes I feel like, you know, the learning curve in this job slows after 8 years.
14:54:57 I'm just like, I actually was. A lot of new material last night. I appreciated it.
14:55:05 Alright. Look at that we are ahead of schedule. Should we take a quick break?
14:55:20 Cause we're gonna be an executive session for a while. Alright, 5Â min break depending on what clock you're looking at.
14:55:25 So recess until 3 o'clock. Yep.
14:55:27 Hey, Kate to allow myself facilitation. I'll probably just hop back into the exact. You don't need me.
14:55:32 Coming back in. So I'll be there 3.
15:02:05 Okay.
15:02:10 What's that? Can you guys, can you guys hold off for a second?
15:02:19 We're coming back into session, but we are going right into executive session with the county administrator, chief civil deputy prosecuting attorney.
15:02:25 Regarding potential litigation, exemption as outlined in the open public meetings act, RCW, 42 dot 30 dot 1 10 parentheses one parentheses I we will be going in for 30Â min
from 3 o'clock until 3 30.
15:33:17 Yeah. Alright, we are coming back from executive session. We are not taking any action. We'll give Greg brother to a minute to come back over.
15:33:39 Alright.
15:33:42 What else do we want to try and get through today? We haven't done any calendaring yet.
15:33:49 No action. Nope. Oh, hold on. And we also have board and committee vacancies.
15:34:01 Okay, what else do you wanna cover?
15:34:05 Anything? Maybe some future agenda planning. I think there's few. Items I wanna get scheduled.
15:34:14 KPTZ to just check on that because I just did the last 2 so I don't have any more on my calendar I don't think but I don't really Really?
15:34:19 We went all the way up to April. Oh, we did. Okay. Well, then I probably do.
15:34:22 I think it's Kate for the next 2 weeks and then I'm on the eighth.
15:34:27 Yeah.
15:34:28 I'm Blip Bringing, Samantha Harper and Monty as my plan.
15:34:32 We're wondering both. Stocks, sewer update on the eighth.
15:34:35 Yes.
15:34:38 And do we want to talk anymore about congressional appropriations or whether we need, I mean, I don't know what the timeline is on that.
15:34:45 Approached it a little bit earlier in your update Kate. Is that something? So what's the term on that?
15:34:54 Oh, that's yours.
15:34:51 Hold on. So there's only one Friday before the eighth. Okay, yeah, first that's this week.
15:35:00 Yeah. I don't know. I wouldn't say there's a big rush on those.
15:35:07 We should decide if maybe if we have time or want to give some thought, you know, I think.
15:35:12 The aquatic center is a. Outstanding question too if we feel like that's gonna be anywhere close enough to.
15:35:19 Be able to consider a request.
15:35:23 Gotcha. How much the max, limit for these requests? It's like 3 million, isn't it?
15:35:29 Yeah, yeah, sometimes you can request a little more like 5, but they might give you less. And it varies a little bit each year in each office will give a different amount.
15:35:44 So house incentive each have different amounts and then each year it has a different amount. So, and each each each office opens a separate portal and each request different
information.
15:35:56 It's a pain. So, but that's, let's see, I think, our lobbyists in DC is gonna stay on.
15:36:11 Sure.
15:36:05 Through the appropriation process so we should use her She's there. So is that true? And maybe it's like March fifteenth or something like she was hoping those were gonna unroll
more quickly.
15:36:19 So. Yeah, let's, Try and get to that if we have time today.
15:36:29 Okay. Anyone have any? Calendar conflicts. On things of note.
15:36:39 Okay.
15:36:41 I don't have any I only have one conflict this week and I think I can manage that it's an overlapping thing.
15:36:50 So, Do you want, let's see.
15:36:58 Tomorrow I have 2 meetings in the late afternoon, early evening. Versus the community foundation board meetings.
15:37:06 So I can't really voice that one off and then second second one is the So our outreach meeting and I can't really voice that one off.
15:37:13 So I think I'm just gonna go to the beginning of the JCF meeting and. And then attend the full, so our outreach meeting.
15:37:20 So I think I'll be fine this week. I,
15:37:24 I'm trying not to attend much as you know. And. Cut a couple things Wednesday afternoon, but they're both.
15:37:34 Heidi specific so I don't
15:37:41 For management working group and then to make a drainage district community meeting. So that's Nothing like and voice off.
15:37:49 Sorry guys.
15:37:53 Hmm.
15:37:54 Do we want to go through our week then? I mean, He is halfway through it, I think.
15:38:00 Or are you all the way correct?
15:38:00 Yeah. Oh yeah, you want to know everything. Let's see. Well.
15:38:05 So tomorrow I told you then Wednesday, yep, carbon, forest, or climate and forest. Management work group scenarios working session.
15:38:18 In the afternoon and then a Chimcom drainage district community outreach meeting in the evening.
15:38:23 At WSU. On Wednesday that's Wednesday and then. Thursday I'm gonna attend a I think we all were invited to this so maybe we need to talk about this the like Sutherland tour
with Commissioner Franz.
15:38:37 I was planning on attending that. It's great. I will be it. Let's say sharing committee so I can't attend anywhere.
15:38:45 Okay.
15:38:46 When is that?
15:38:47 Thursday at 11.
15:38:50 Go for it, you can represent.
15:38:52 Hey. And then Friday I have a Sailors ASO meeting but That's That's it this week.
15:39:02 Okay.
15:39:05 Okay. I can go, let's see. Tomorrow's EDC finance meeting was cancelled due to conflicts and Rescheduled for today at the lunch hour and I missed it because I was still dealing
with stuff.
15:39:20 Yeah, so that's it. Team Jefferson. We compete on Wednesday and then I'm as previously discussed.
15:39:28 Hello, with the habitat and, and, and, from the city and a couple others. I think Liz Koker maybe.
15:39:39 I'm doing a chamber luncheon at the Oaks Club. Wednesday the 20 eighth. Presenting there for 10Â min got some Good data from both public works and DCD to kind of talk about
Hadlock, UGA, and basic comp plan updates.
15:39:59 That's kinda what I'm filling my 10Â min with. We have, you know, a housing fund board meeting.
15:40:05 Of course, we have to look for a new housing fund board, member. Have school of course.
15:40:15 Friday we have a recompete weekly meeting and then I'm meeting with some of the folks from Northwood Canal Chamber to talk about.
15:40:22 A scheme they have to see if it might bear some fruit. On Saturday, I'll be joining Tammy and I bet.
15:40:30 Barb Jones and maybe Brent Butler down and Brennan at the Brandon Community Center for the Dosi Wallops River Collaborative Meeting.
15:40:40 I'm from 9 to 9 to 11 on Saturday and those are the high points of my my week.
15:40:46 No conflicts that need record. Resolution.
15:40:50 Is there do you not have a conflict of the healthier together and the housing fund board.
15:40:59 I mean, I don't have a healthier together invite.
15:41:07 Okay.
15:41:04 Well, in about 2Â s. Yeah, It's I think it I need to make sure that,
15:41:14 And invites Greg. Right, Greg, it should be there Wednesday at 2 o'clock.
15:41:21 Okay, I can. I can do that. How long are these meetings usually?
15:41:26 I'll be there for sure.
15:41:30 It's like.
15:41:30 Well.
15:41:36 I'm sorry, you cut out, Kate, it's like an hour or like 2Â h.
15:41:40 Hour and a half.
15:41:44 I see it now.
15:41:48 I don't know. I'll bit of a conflict. Maybe I'll miss the beginning of the housing fund board meeting.
15:41:55 I don't know. Kind of seems like it's a probably an ongoing conflict if that's when they happen.
15:42:00 They're not regularly scheduled or weren't. No, they're ad hoc. Yeah. I think now that we have the draft of.
15:42:06 Okay.
15:42:11 Susan Musselman's report that might be a topic.
15:42:15 That will just
15:42:15 Yeah, well, I'll prioritize that. There's There's nothing explicit on our agenda for the housing fund board meeting, but.
15:42:26 I do feel like it's an important one to be at. So. I'll work.
15:42:28 Yeah, and I
15:42:30 Yeah, go ahead Mark.
15:42:31 I imagine that the question regarding who you are gonna nominate for the task force. We have 6 nominations that need to occur.
15:42:42 So that question will likely come up on Wednesday. Where are we in identifying? Nominees for that party.
15:42:50 Well, and I think there's a question there too. Is that something we want to just run with or have the steering committee weigh in on.
15:42:58 You mean nominate to to the steering committee and have them validate or approve my nomination. Members or you know.
15:43:09 We talked about, commissioner selecting 2 from each district, but is, you know, do we wanna do that separate from the steering committee or have the steering committee be a
part of that process.
15:43:19 That I don't know.
15:43:20 I mean, that's one of the questions Susan asked the other day. So this task force advises the steering committee advises at this point the BOC.
15:43:31 That's right, yeah. So the task force feeds the steering committee, which feeds us.
15:43:37 Accurate.
15:43:39 I don't know or does the steering committee the task force who makes recommendations to our site. Yeah, I mean, it's really, it's a.
15:43:51 Complicated because if the city is not engaged with the county site then you know, the steering committee changes altogether.
15:44:05 Right, and if the, you know. Maybe it's a different school district. You know, I mean, so the task forces work.
15:44:12 Does seem separate from the steering committees since the Steering Committee really, you know, I mean, did some due diligence with with Opsis and everything offices, right?
15:44:25 On location. But they were, I mean. Obviously, we know about that process. We're going down a different deliberately down a different road.
15:44:34 So where the steering committee is in. In relativity to relative to the task force is important and still a little.
15:44:43 Squishy to me.
15:44:45 I mean, I will say the steering committee supported the idea of the task force. So I assume that there is any intent to not be in, you know.
15:44:56 Working together.
15:44:57 And that's what Kerry and Diane said at the meeting with Susan as well. They said, no, we're in it, you know, I mean.
15:45:06 Yeah, no, they.
15:45:10 Yeah.
15:45:07 Gonna be in it regardless. Yeah, so I guess I'm. Maybe this, I don't know.
15:45:18 Well, maybe we can think. I don't think we're going to get recommendations before Wednesday.
15:45:22 I will attend the whole meeting, but maybe if each of us can think a little bit about. Some candidates in our respective districts that might be appropriate.
15:45:32 And maybe we can just briefly talk about those criteria of those candidates that would be important. I mean, I think we want people that are.
15:45:38 Looking for solutions, not just, you know. Doomstairs to the idea, but we don't want people that are, you know.
15:45:47 Pollyann isn't just we're going to go for anything too. We want critical analysis Are there particular skill sets?
15:45:55 You know, I mean, we've had. A lot of feedback from.
15:45:58 Builders of commercial facilities. I mean, do we want to get that or do we want to get values of our respect to parts of the county i mean what what are important to criteria
to you and these
15:46:13 Geographic representatives.
15:46:16 Hmm. I think. I think knowledge of the building industries would be valuable. And I can imagine a number of conversations on a.
15:46:27 Facility task force where that would be a useful bucket of skills to have at the table.
15:46:38 I think knowledge of our demographics, somebody, I mean, I don't know who that would be, but.
15:46:43 You know, knowledge of the population. Kind of how it's dispersed throughout the county would be.
15:46:50 An important quality. For somebody and somebody serving on the task force to have. I think pool users would be valuable.
15:47:01 I worry a little bit. I do think that the building industry It's, you know, people who build aquatic centers, it's a pretty darn specific building type that I'm you know I worry
a little bit about having a lot of input that is not entirely relevant.
15:47:24 Hmm.
15:47:22 An editorial. Just, you know, that we could be informing decisions without the specific expertise that is, unique to that building.
15:47:36 Yeah.
15:47:44 Task Force, it's Task Force.
15:47:41 What's the actual name of that? I guess. Aquatic Facility Task Force.
15:47:49 Yeah, the steering committee is healthier together steering committee. And then, yeah, maybe Aquatic Center Task Force.
15:47:57 Hmm.
15:48:05 Okay, yeah, well, maybe if you guys could talk about it in the meeting on Wednesday and bring back some.
15:48:10 Any more refined criteria? I think we're all the same page of wanting people who are open minded, solutionary and and want to see an Aquatics that are get built.
15:48:20 Don't have really strong opinions about where and what type and you know. Willing to be open minded and look at some options.
15:48:28 Without too much bias. And hopefully, you know, hopefully bring some skills and. You know, public finance or aquatics programming or construction.
15:48:46 Soliciting nominations or people interested or would you go? Originally. But we could do another.
15:48:59 You know, we could have an application process. Yeah, or maybe just announce that if folks are interested, they could.
15:49:09 And express interest. Okay. So following the meeting, I'll get with Wendy, we can craft some kind of.
15:49:19 So we have a little application form like a. I don't know if we wanna.
15:49:21 Same volunteer application for and we use for planning commission and everything else
15:49:28 Which is a need.
15:49:27 It's the county task force, right? At its core.
15:49:31 Yeah. Yeah. Is it or is it steering committees? Well, 6 of the 8 members are county.
15:49:39 Right. Well, the 2 would be in district one.
15:49:44 Yeah, city as well too, cities in the county.
15:49:46 Well, I know, but split loyalties, right? I don't know.
15:49:53 As long as Yeah, solution oriented. I don't really. I think having different loyalties is a good place as long as you can have honest conversations going in.
15:50:02 I like this just giving Greg all my difficult committee.
15:50:06 Yeah, right. You're gonna take over the cap though, right? Hmm.
15:50:08 Okay. Oh. I would, I don't think you will give it up.
15:50:14 No, I wouldn't get without. I love him.
15:50:19 Okay, sorry we didn't let you get through your week, Greg.
15:50:24 You didn't? I think you did.
15:50:26 Okay. Go through mine quickly. Got a meeting at the end of our meeting today.
15:50:35 So I'll have to be done before 4 30. My meetings at 4 30. So. Let's drop up right on time.
15:50:41 A meeting tomorrow morning with the computer sound partnership, and then a meeting with.
15:50:49 Transit and the climate action plan. So you're doing strategic planning at the Municipal Research Service Center.
15:50:58 So I'm gonna. Me with the consultant on that. Then I have a fairgrounds executive committee meeting tomorrow afternoon.
15:51:06 Wednesday. Meeting with someone from jumping mouse and then. Meeting with the consultant team on the shorts farm from the I will probably take the.
15:51:23 Housing Fund Board meeting on the road while I'm driving to Olympia. For legislative steering committee on Wednesday night and all day Thursday, like not seeing the agenda for
that yet.
15:51:39 Back on Thursday evening. We have radio show on Friday. I think that's the only thing on my calendar currently.
15:51:46 Friday. So busy week.
15:51:52 Yeah, how about you, Mark? Okay, short report. Venturing out of county towards the end of the week.
15:52:01 And So today with. The board tomorrow. Meeting with Civic Plus to begin the discussion about our website.
15:52:11 Redesign.
15:52:14 And then 18 meeting at 2 o'clock. On Wednesday. Healthier together and our committee. At 2 o'clock and then the chimicum drainage district community meeting and at the WC classroom
in Hadlock.
15:52:30 And then, really nothing on Thursday morning. Kate, I'd like to arrange agenda review with you in the morning if at all possible.
15:52:40 I'm in Olympia sharing LSC all day. Okay, maybe an email check in. Yeah.
15:52:46 Cause I hope to be gone. From noon on and I'll be gone Friday and Monday as well.
15:52:51 I'm going to Orlando to see my granddaughter play volleyball. And so the short week for me.
15:52:58 Alright. Hmm. Okay. Should look at boards and committees.
15:53:12 Sure, yeah, it was on our agenda.
15:53:19 I think we have a new planning commission vacancy. Mike Nielsen just tendered his resignation, unfortunately, but.
15:53:26 I appreciate his turn, multiple, multiple terms of service. Hmm.
15:53:33 Yeah, he was the chair when I came on and he was he was a he was a great chair too.
15:53:39 He's still on Portland, just district luckily, but yeah, it's a big loss.
15:53:44 So going down the list of vacancies, I wonder if I can be this Salish behavioral health advisory board member and the county commissioner.
15:53:53 Okay.
15:53:54 Habriel health. Anyway. I don't know, anything that committee requirements to do either of you.
15:54:00 It's the advisory committee to them. They do a lot of the policy work. They review the RFPs as well.
15:54:07 You the policy board doesn't usually refuse RFP, so all the applicants go through them.
15:54:12 Which one?
15:54:12 It's a great group. We've often been, Not really represented, but.
15:54:18 You know, we've had people like from juvenile services. Serving that role as well off BHAC.
15:54:28 But this is
15:54:28 Wait, what are you talking? It's the Salish rep to be at JC as well.
15:54:34 What's the vacancy is? Sounded like you were talking about the behavioral health rep to Sailish from what you were just saying.
15:54:40 Oh yeah, I was backwards, sorry.
15:54:42 Yeah, okay. Okay.
15:54:46 I thought Joleen was going to the meetings.
15:54:51 Sometimes when she's like subject matter expert on something, but I can check with her. Hmm.
15:54:59 Yeah, I would check with her and see. Sorry I misunderstood, but I bet she would come up with someone who could be the Passing me on a backup.
15:55:11 I'll follow up with her.
15:55:14 Hmm. Then the next one is conservation futures, citizen for district 3.
15:55:23 Do you, Gregg?
15:55:30 Yeah.
15:55:25 Yeah, I'll, they usually we don't fill this one. Tammy does a pretty good job of outreach but I'll keep an eye out too and you know a community meeting see if I can get someone
maybe some small forest landowner, someone that's, very focused on.
15:55:41 And there's a bunch on the various housing fund board committees. I don't know what the process is for.
15:55:48 Billing those. Like, it's long because Peggy was serving on a lot of those.
15:55:56 So, it's something to talk about during the positive fun board meeting. Okay. So the one.
15:55:59 Yeah. Alright, okay, go ahead.
15:56:01 Hmm. The one vacancy that's up to date with pay use resignation. There's just one, probably.
15:56:11 Yeah.
15:56:13 Big shoes to fill.
15:56:14 And I think we're going to. There's a real desire to, bifurcate the coordinated entry advisory board from the housing fund board, like those.
15:56:25 They are a little bit independent. Our housing plan required us create one, but not that we administer it and So it's all the different agencies getting together to work on.
15:56:36 You know, to coordinate their coordinated entry basically in HMIS. So that one could probably be removed soon, but we need to have the conversation.
15:56:45 Housing Fund board first.
15:56:46 Well, I should have a conversation because I have talks with Philippines, about that. And he doesn't believe, his leadership branch off yet.
15:56:50 Oh.
15:56:54 Okay.
15:56:54 There should be an agency. That board. So I might have to be even more formalized.
15:56:59 So that's something he's looking at you.
15:57:02 Oh, well yeah, that's news to me. I'm not gonna argue with Phil.
15:57:07 Intellectual developmental disabilities advisory board looks like we have 2 vacancies. I can talk to Anna about that.
15:57:15 See what our needs are.
15:57:26 What else? Le off, we've talked about that before.
15:57:36 Hello.
15:57:31 Yeah, I had I had a fish on that one, but they slipped off the hook. That's, that's a really tough one.
15:57:41 That's the left one, you know, the retired firefighters and law enforcement officers and City in the county.
15:57:47 Just need to make decisions on this board occasionally on, healthcare payout benefits. But both the, and I serve on that with, with 2.
15:57:59 Retired long, you know, 2 recipients of the of the program a law law enforcement and a firefighter and that 4 person group with the support of Sarah and Kristen.
15:58:10 I think does. Great. So it doesn't feel like a huge gap. The at large position is required not to be.
15:58:20 We've had other volunteers from the impacted population and it has to be someone that doesn't have anything to do with.
15:58:25 Law enforcement or firefighters or at least who would benefit from the left one, the older retirement plan.
15:58:31 Hmm. I see.
15:58:31 Potential plan. So it's not a priority and pretty challenging to fill.
15:58:37 Okay. And we still have our, we have 2 on the MRC off follow up with Monica and or whoever it is I follow up with now.
15:58:52 Yeah.
15:58:53 But find out what those vacancies are, which vacancies those are. And then the weed board, Greg hasn't tendered his application yet, but.
15:59:03 Keep trying with my neighbors. Maybe we can get our solid waste manager to do it.
15:59:10 I got it too.
15:59:09 I doubt it. And then the last one on here is Olympic area and aging. Says and rep.
15:59:20 I should not I guess I'm not even on that anymore. But I feel like they, I thought they found someone there.
15:59:28 I don't know. I guess I follow up on that. Unexpired until 3 1 24.
15:59:38 Oh wow. So it'd have to be, they'd have to. Yeah, we have pointed at the end of March.
15:59:44 It's not.
15:59:47 I would say overall though we're doing pretty good. This looks pretty good except for I don't know the housing fund board has a lot of red on it, but.
15:59:54 That's one person in a decision last week, so you know, give us a little time.
15:59:59 Okay, give you some slack.
16:00:03 Hey, going back to the task force for a minute just to like spitball a totally crazy idea.
16:00:11 What do you think about looking at our planning commission?
16:00:13 For Task Force members. Is that a strange thing? Am I creating a big problem right now?
16:00:19 We don't wanna quorum.
16:00:22 No, but 3 of them. It's like, you know, one of each representatives was familiar with the comp plan and familiar with their area and planning in general.
16:00:32 I don't know. Spit.
16:00:35 They, I don't think there's anything that would stop them from. There's not a lot of planning stuffing.
16:00:42 Well, I guess if it's. Greater than just aquatic. Whole needs a sewer so there's not many options, but I realize this is a larger.
16:00:49 But the task force is full focus, so. I just feel like planning might not be the
16:00:56 Focus for.
16:01:00 For the task force just cause. There's only 2 places with sewer.
16:01:08 Well, I mean, I know they're not doing land use planning, but it's the kind of, I guess, What prompted the idea was that these folks are folks that have been in these roles
for quite a while and are thinking about.
16:01:20 Thinking and thinking in terms of short-term and long-term and looking. Yeah, just longer horizons than most folks are thinking.
16:01:31 So I don't know. Just an idea.
16:01:32 That's a good thought. Yeah, we could certainly reach out to them. Along with.
16:01:39 The public.
16:01:43 Alright.
16:01:47 So, iations requests.
16:01:55 I mean the aquatic center makes complete sense to me. I just don't know how we.
16:01:59 Get there from here, right? Quickly. Yeah. Yeah, and you know, I think we have a plan, but it is being, you know, kind of put on hold for a little bit.
16:02:15 So is it. You know, disingenuous to. Suggest even though it shouldn't matter where it is.
16:02:20 The the benefit to the community is much the same. I did have the city make up a one pager that I did take around.
16:02:30 Tc. So that. Delegation, many of whom have heard about the project already. You know, had some idea and it was not specific to location.
16:02:43 So maybe that's another question for the steering committee. Do you want to move that forward?
16:02:48 Yep.
16:02:52 Would only cap.
16:02:52 And what would be the ask, right? I mean, are we asking for design funds or a hundred percent design or what are we talking about?
16:03:01 Yeah, yeah, I think any, you know, pre development costs design, you know, there's plenty of need engineering.
16:03:11 And the preparations are not. It's not like a grants where you're quite as like, depending on which committee it goes through in congress like the childcare center that is a
very strenuous application process because it goes through rural developments application.
16:03:28 But many are not. I guess the EPA one for the sewers been fairly. Precise and demanding.
16:03:39 Other than those 2 programs, I think a lot of the preparations are looser. And Yeah.
16:03:49 Very well could go through. USDA.
16:03:59 Trying to think if we talked about any about if HUD is an option. For the Aquatic Center too.
16:04:06 Go to that committee.
16:04:06 Hmm.
16:04:09 Going back to, I think, it's
16:04:13 Possible that we could combine with the city and ask, you know, kind of. Redoing the chip request that didn't make it, you know, that is, about touring that, finishing it, you
know, lowering the costs and filling the gap and kind of just Working that Nexus down on Mill Road, basically.
16:04:35 Okay.
16:04:36 We could even tie it in with the the roundabout that's you know going on. I mean, it, you know, dig once idea basically a dig once project whereas as long as we're down here
building around about it at Discovery Road.
16:04:51 When I was essentially all the way to. Jacob Miller of some sort, right, as what they're talking about right now.
16:04:57 That we look at the infrastructure, get the infrastructure. Under that new roundabout.
16:05:08 So would that be better? Sponsored by the. County or city versus only cap like in terms of who the applicant might be.
16:05:23 I don't know what the strategy should be. I would turn to you.
16:05:29 Well, I think it partly depends on the scope too. If we proposed it in the city. Gave us a letter of support and only kept it as well.
16:05:41 Would, would that? Strengthening our our chances. Yeah, yeah, I think required to submit letters to support.
16:05:51 Yeah, it sounds. Complex to do the, sewing and all of that.
16:06:00 Like I wonder if we. Some ways be better off just doing it for the shelter and you know those are that's part of development costs for the shelter.
16:06:07 The infrastructure. If there
16:06:09 I'm happy to do that. I think the city would still be supportive as well. They're just as motivated as the county is to, you know, get that thing built.
16:06:17 So.
16:06:17 Yeah. And I don't know if the city is pursuing this, but the water line, city water line in the Olympic Discovery Tail placement.
16:06:28 I mean that's a potential area for capital dollars. But they already have a bunch from the legislature that they're Sitting on for then what?
16:06:37 I thought they got a bunch.
16:06:39 For the water line. But I don't know about ODT. You know, the idea of how locating.
16:06:48 I thought it was for that. I don't know. I don't know. Do you know Greg?
16:06:52 That rings a bell, but I'd have to corroborate it. I'm not sure.
16:06:57 That's, but I think you're right, Kate.
16:06:57 Okay. I mean, I would check with them on that. And I mean, I'm sure there's.
16:07:02 Funds needed to do trail miles. Yeah, I think we've been getting the breaks from public works, on projects generally, but do we know if that's easing up?
16:07:16 And he, I haven't checked. I haven't come to them with a specific idea or thought lately, so I don't know.
16:07:24 Okay, I need to meet. I mean, the money doesn't come instantly, right? Yeah.
16:07:28 Yeah.
16:07:29 My impression is they're still pretty jam-packed with. Existing work, but.
16:07:34 Hmm. Okay. But maybe they're working on something that needs capital dollars to build trail. I don't know.
16:07:42 I would just ask.
16:07:44 I mean, they backed off the. The sidewalk, right? Cedar Avenue or the sidewalks over by HR.
16:07:53 Isn't that a project they put in a piff and then pulled back? I don't because they had other funding.
16:07:58 Yeah.
16:07:58 I never mind. Yeah, talking to public works talking to the city as well, right? Make sure that we can align as much as possible.
16:08:04 Yep. And then the port, I don't know what the port. West Westward boat Expansion.
16:08:13 I don't know what they're. Doing there but I know that there's trail. Mixed in with that, right?
16:08:21 Oh, the water. Yeah.
16:08:24 Another area for potential capital dollars needed.
16:08:27 I know the Westward Boatyard expansion includes a new trailhead for the park for the trail. Okay.
16:08:35 Yeah. But I don't know if they have all the money secured for that is what I was saying.
16:08:40 This is.
16:08:41 Well, you know, right now recompete 9.4 is kind of tentatively slated.
16:08:46 That's their project cost as far as their best estimates right now. And you know, the Chocking and gamesmanship continues with recompete and then even if we Get it across the
finished line.
16:09:02 That's just the application. So there's no guarantee That's the boatyard expansion is funded and I I think it's a great project so you know.
16:09:09 I just don't know if it times out where we know if they've gotten the funding to recompete or if it's.
16:09:16 But you know, they're doing the work on that one for sure.
16:09:24 Okay, so, steering committee, we'll talk about aquatic center possibility.
16:09:32 I'll talk to Monty about trail or other public works needs. I don't think it didn't sound like they were ready to start working on the highway.
16:09:46 19 and 20 road improvements by the airport yet. It's got the like, hold off on that.
16:09:53 And.
16:10:00 How should we proceed with the only cap? Is that something? Do you have a board meeting anytime soon, Greg?
16:10:07 A couple weeks. I'm trying to set up a meeting with, Tammy and Kathy this week.
16:10:12 And you know, they sort of generally were like, hey, would you ask? You know, reppped their injury.
16:10:19 I'm like, I'm not even quite sure what the ask is. So I'll refine that a little bit and and have something by next week that we can really dig into and compare.
16:10:27 Okay, yeah, and see what that. Might look like and who the natural. Sponsor applicant should be
16:10:38 Okay. Alright. Anything else for the good of the order?
16:10:49 I don't think so. My head swimming right now. I know it's hard at the end of.
16:10:54 These days to think straight.
16:10:59 Okay.
16:11:02 Well.
16:11:09 Another minute, make sure you're not forgetting anything.
16:11:16 The next meeting will be doing the paper official paper. Record bid only. Oh, oh yeah. Okay, hearing notice, right?
16:11:26 No, that will be the actual bid opening. Next week? Yeah, for the bit, for the county paper.
16:11:32 Okay.
16:11:36 Hmm. I don't have anything.
16:11:42 I'm good.
16:11:44 Okay. Great.
16:11:49 How's how are things wrapping up at the house, Greg?
16:11:54 They're, they're wrapped up. You know, it's like I gotta go after this, take treats to the, Sole surviving goat and you know plans are And, are being made for finding a new
soulmate for, for Clementine who's By yourself now, we're trying to avoid the where the red fern grows scenario at this point.
16:12:16 Yeah, they're such social creatures. So are you looking for an adult goat?
16:12:19 Super. Would take an adult goat. Yeah, I'm not looking for milk or meat or anything just a couple.
16:12:29 I mean, it would be great to find like 8 month old goats where she could be the. I mean it would be great to find like 8 month old goats where she could be the matriarch.
16:12:35 She's not a great to find like 8 month old goats where she could be the matriarch.
16:12:37 She's not a very domineering goat, but it'd be great to give her a chance since he was been with her mother her whole life.
16:12:38 You know, be the matriarch in a little group.
16:12:43 Do you know anyone? Mid-sized goats or goats that they don't need. I mean, it's like, yeah, it's really about companionship more than anything else.
16:12:51 And we've also. That all this fencing in the fields, you know, so it was a real kind of existential question.
16:12:57 Do we do we get more goat? But that that question has been answered as a. Was pretty sure it would be answered.
16:13:03 Do you have a preference on breeds?
16:13:06 No, not too much. No. I mean, yeah, they're all good, you know.
16:13:14 These are, La Manchas, not the crazy Launches, but the launches with ears of some sort.
16:13:20 But,
16:13:20 Maybe checking with Rachel and Scott. Mystery Bay and see if they have any. Any goats needy rehoming.
16:13:27 Maybe, I mean, we've been through this before and I think Mystery Bay and lots of the other places that really nurture a strong bloodline, you know, sell them for quite a bit
of money because they, they're demonstrated producers, right?
16:13:40 So, we're really.
16:13:39 But they like John Bella with his turkeys. I mean, an entergies is roosters.
16:13:51 Yeah.
16:13:45 People you know when you when you are known user of a certain breed, people come if they've got so they might hear of a goat needing a home or I don't know I'm just I'm just
getting creative.
16:13:58 Yeah, no, get creative. Take it all offers are on the table. But, you know, dealt with.
16:14:07 A couple of the local, you know, breeders before and we'll talk to them as well, but looking for kind of a rescue goat really for companionship.
16:14:16 Yeah, yeah. Goats are gonna start showing up on the steps of the courthouse.
16:14:22 Right, just the tie for commissioner brother in. Yeah, that'd be great.
16:14:27 Yeah.
16:14:25 Andrews too probably. Hmm.
16:14:31 Yeah. Yeah, it's doing alright, but I appreciate it.
16:14:35 Okay. Alright, well, thank you everyone. Busy day. We got a lot done.
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