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08:59:10 Let's operation.
08:59:35 And you know, before it was working, it was the issue when I had pause. It'll just wouldn't, I'll find out on break if it really is.
08:59:43 Okay.
09:00:00 9 o'clock, Okay. My clock and my phone are the same. I'm crazy, but no bell.
09:00:22 Oh, right. Interesting.
09:00:30 Good.
09:00:37 Good morning, everyone. Hope everyone is enjoying beautiful weather. This meeting with Jefferson County Board of Commissioners to order.
09:00:51 Don't think we have anything to announce today before we get started. Pretty standard Monday. Great to be Irish.
09:01:13 Alright, let's jump into public comments. We always welcome comments from the public on any topic or 9 am public comment period.
09:01:23 If you were in the zoom room, you will hit the raise parents button. There would be a short delay.
09:01:29 Except promotion to panelists as you get over. Need to unmute. Everybody will have up to 3Â min to speak.
09:01:34 It is helpful if you state your name and your place of residence. Though it is not required. So let's start in the Zoom room today.
09:01:41 And Zoom, would anyone like to provide public comment? If so, please hit raise hand.
09:01:51 Not seeing any online. Let's go to the room. Maryland.
09:02:02 Commissioner, our last week, thank you, Pose the question. I'm paraphrasing what I think you are wondering is why.
09:02:13 Why is so much coming up now after the planning commission has done its job? And we're here with new issues.
09:02:21 And I think you can point to a number of things, but it really goes back. Probably to 2,014 even before that.
09:02:31 I think there's a fundamental tension. Between the exceptions and exemptions that the shellfish industry wants for itself, which is understandable that they wanted.
09:02:41 And on the other hand, the requirements of the show and Mansion Act and So, you know, you can get a legislative exemption that says.
09:02:53 PDC tubes are not structures. But, 43,000 of them per acre is still in the sand.
09:03:01 You can get a legislative exemption for HPA. But something is still liquefying the sand. And to get to the issue at hand on the 25% expansions and convert and cultivation methods.
09:03:20 You can say as the current code does. You can expand by 25% and we don't want to know about it.
09:03:28 We don't need to know about it. But.
09:03:31 Someone can still be in an estuary. And so the SEPA and shoreline management act is very different.
09:03:40 One, it's site specific. So an estuary is different than a rocky beach or a little cove that's quiet is different than a windy area.
09:03:49 Second, we're dealing with common waters and common marine life. Those are everywhere. And third, and this is where you come in.
09:03:59 Do you know to effects any any proposal in a specific site needs to evaluate Q and through the facts which is holistic it's not just you it's what's everybody that's the same
is true of your ordinance.
09:04:12 You have to decide that your ordinance. Is compliant with SIP. So where did I? Came up in my head because last week I learned of the situation in Taro Bay.
09:04:27 Didn't know about it, but I came across the correspondence in 2,009 when the operator.
09:04:35 And urge the county to adopt. What became the 2,014 SNP and the county answer staff at that time.
09:04:45 We have accommodated nearly all of the aquaculture industry's comments on numerous past versions of the.
09:04:52 Proposed off the culture policies. Well, now the same operator. Built something in 2,014 up and blame.
09:05:01 Didn't work out there. Name down in 2,016 and just put it in to Tarmu Bay.
09:05:09 Waited 7 years, I thought maybe they'd better get county review.
09:05:12 Just the SMP should set up a process for finding out what is the case. Don't try to evaluate the pros and cons of every situation.
09:05:24 Thank you.
09:05:28 Anyone else like for that public comment this morning? Thank you. Okay.
09:05:40 Okay, so the person I wanted to do is. Correct. Great Brotherton on the document, the situation.
09:05:49 The document fees went up last year. By $100 per document And so it's not an issue of funding or shelters.
09:06:00 It's an issue. Contract violations. In terms of sanitation in terms of blocking access to showers to the point where people are going down to Jefferson healthcare with skin
infections and I'm informed by the doctor there that they're not legally required by law to report to the state health department.
09:06:28 So it's really. And also the city noise violations you know from the landlord to on the you know people can't sleep so it's just really not a shelter in any way, shape, or form.
09:06:50 So it's closing in. At the end of March. I will be the first one out on the city hall line.
09:07:00 I spoke to Ben Thomas yesterday. And explain to him even if you open up the shelter again in July, no one's gonna go in because you have not dealt with those contract violations.
09:07:14 That the contractors decided well We'll just, you know, let everything go and Do nothing. So I think I also spoke with, Nathan who is an employee.
09:07:29 In the office of public defender down in Olympia. And, so he's invited me to go down, so I'm going down tomorrow.
09:07:39 And I spoke to the assistant attorney general. So, you know, it's high, high chance if, you know, for harassed by law enforcement that, you guys.
09:07:53 May be called on that and they get a lawsuit. So. I'm asking you please do not harass us.
09:08:02 Emergency services is going to give us cots. For this recamps. And we're still waiting on you guys for the ported parties.
09:08:13 And any waste, just suppose that may be needed at other sites. I don't think we'll need it here because we have the public bathrooms which have large enough garbage cans.
09:08:25 I think we're gonna have about 7 to 9. At each site and we need, help with you know your balance and then putting climate down I can show you several like people who do this
and there's like and they'll bring them in.
09:08:51 Do you wrap up or we can just have you know people volunteer their pickup trucks and running down. So Okay, that's it.
09:08:57 Thank you. Mr. Okay.
09:09:06 Gordon King, no, listen, both undress to Michelle, what is, I mean, just last week about plastics in the environment.
09:09:20 And I agree it's a real problem. Well, She seems to wear synthetic
09:09:29 And it is known that the source of. Micro, plastics in the environment is from people washing their clothes, little lines just shitting.
09:09:41 So. Pvc. Doesn't float so I'm not really sure how the PVC would get from.
09:09:49 People with us in the water would get from people. And then to the, food system, particularly through fellow feeders.
09:09:56 Because it sinks. Probably just, polypropylene, which a lot of people seem to be wearing for their I don't believe in this.
09:10:12 As far as exemptions go. I would, have more sympathy. With the concerns about exemptions that people were also expressing.
09:10:23 Concerns about all the exemptions for private. Residences along the shoreline. And as I've said before, there's a lot of theory about.
09:10:32 Plains about, what goat farming is doing to the environment. Not backed up by science.
09:10:39 But the same cannot be said. For shoreline armoring we know that that is damaging to the environment because it produce reduces beach arose and erosion and you get hardening
of beaches which the creatures is the ability of fire fish to form.
09:10:57 You can call WDFW. Ask the people about that about it as well. Not a little bit runs off, the roads.
09:11:08 Into our waterways and I don't think any of the commissioners or myself. Moved here today I think but we all they're probably, yeah, drawing their vehicles here today.
09:11:23 So we're all gonna be there and I'm guessing that, Right. So anyway, so yeah, and the last question I'd ask is, so yeah, and the last question I'd ask is what is happening now
with hearing on the SMP because it's gone all dark.
09:11:49 And very difficult for us to know what to do. We'll win. Thank you.
09:11:55 And will respond after everyone has provided public comment. Anyone else? Okay. Okay, call it again on the line. Anyone in the Zoom room?
09:12:06 Wish for public comment. Alright.
09:12:19 But another opportunity after we do responses since we're wrapping up a little bit early. So anyone? Mr. Dr.
09:12:28 Appreciate all the public comment. I respond first, Maggie. It's good to see you.
09:12:37 When I talked about document fees, we do see I'm talking about the aggregate number of.
09:12:43 Real estate transactions that happen and so the funds that we had to pay for the shelter. We're literally cut in half.
09:12:51 It's not the only contributing factor, but you can with I can show you the numbers if you want but we have much less but we do have good news in that the shelter is got a reprieve
and all the cap will continue to operate it until the end of April.
09:13:05 So a lot of work is still going on in the background but. We continue to work on it.
09:13:11 We continue to work also with, Ben and the, Jefferson Interface Coalition on other options.
09:13:18 So, you know, Your advocacy is having a positive effect, Maggie. So I, you know, I heard you keep doing it.
09:13:23 Go talk to the attorney general, you know, if Shouldn't be harassed and I've, you know, I've talked with, only cap about the shower situation and apparently they're working.
09:13:34 I mean, I can come down there and take a look at it, but yeah, number 2 is still down.
09:13:42 Yeah. Right, so you know at the level that we can work, we are working as far as we can to keep the shelter open and to make sure that we have shelter for everyone in Jefferson
County.
09:13:50 Okay. And to, Mr. Walter and Mr. King, I appreciate that, you know, The ongoing.
09:14:00 Contributions, I believe the 20 fifth is when we're coming back, right? We're gonna have recommendations.
09:14:09 We'll have recommendations published on Friday. Is that by Friday? By Friday. Actually in our public comments there was a comment from DCD staff saying that Only a discussion
with the prosecuting attorney's office staff and SNP consultants.
09:14:28 We have concluded that additional time is needed for a view rather than choosing a date in April at this juncture.
09:14:34 The plan is to wait a way to working draft of proposed amendments. So it's not next Monday.
09:14:41 And then, and that's in public comment available for everyone on laser. Okay. Through the 20 fifth.
09:14:51 The EDP. Right, and we were going, we were going to get a recommendation, then, but, It contains.
09:15:01 It might never end, Gordon. Okay. In the attendees list. Josh, you might be multitasking, but if you're able to give us an update on timing, it'd be helpful to.
09:15:20 Maybe ready to handle let us know you're able to he's coming over as panelists. Okay, and that was the purpose of his email to us was update and update.
09:15:29 I'm fine. Do you mind? Oh no, please. Yeah, yeah, let's get some real information.
09:15:35 Hi, Josh. Thanks for joining.
09:15:39 You.
09:15:37 Good morning. Yeah, so. As we were intending to. To be able to have the next session with the board be on March 20 fifth.
09:15:51 And just in discussions with the Prosecutive Attorney's Office, they're essentially still doing their review.
09:15:57 And so we don't have a draft from the PAO at this point. And so we're awaiting that draft and working through some details and conversing with ecology about some.
09:16:06 Specifics about the adoption procedure like. And so we'll instead of setting a date and then having to change it, at this point I'm just waiting for that draft to come from
the PAO and once that happens then we'll set a draft and adjust the website accordingly and also send a message to the commissioners with a new date.
09:16:25 Josh Gordon is correct in that we're still accepting testimony written testimony through the 20 fifth.
09:16:31 That's correct. There's been no change to the fact that the hearing is still open. So it'd be probably beyond the 20 fifth really.
09:16:38 I mean we As soon as we set that new date, that'll be the date that the hearing ends essentially.
09:16:43 So, I mean, if again, according us presuming for a moment that The orders is actually adopted on that date and the hearing concludes before that.
09:16:51 So. So yes, the, I mean. The written testimony is still being accepted and of course you're still getting public comments.
09:16:59 At your Monday morning meetings.
09:17:04 Gordon, you look confused. So, the hearing will stay open, until we.
09:17:10 Get that to deliver again. And, I think part of the intent too is to give the public plenty of time with the draft.
09:17:20 That comes before us. So not closing anytime soon. So it's not closing on the 20.
09:17:31 Take action to extend that we can but don't believe well Caroline what do you think? Yeah, well, I'm not legal counsel.
09:17:47 But, the fact that I think the best course of action might be that to have another week just so Go, we'll talk about it in next week's, on the 20 fifth and then.
09:17:55 We're probably not going to talk about it. Oh, Joshua said. I'm sorry.
09:17:59 The review. That's fine. A second screening over here. And Josh's email, I said to that in the clerk of the board, may remove the placeholder time on 3 25 for the SMP.
09:18:15 Yeah, I originally told, Coron, of that same email and that it would be somehow in April.
09:18:20 So that's what I have been selling a couple of people now. So that's what I have been telling a couple of people now.
09:18:22 So I didn't think. So that's what I have been selling a couple of people now.
09:18:24 So I didn't think anything would happen on the 20. Gotcha. So maybe today we could.
09:18:26 To extend it for a week and then in a week's time maybe we'll have a better sense of the.
09:18:32 Date that deliverations are scheduled for. Is the intention there Josh to? Close the hearing before the next draft comes back.
09:18:42 To the BOC or is it to get the draft the updated draft after it's gone through legal review and back through DCD to the public before the hearing ends.
09:18:55 Yeah, so my understanding is that The hearing is simply remained open, so I don't even think you need to do anything today, but I would defer to the PAO on that question, together
with the clerk of the board.
09:19:08 But my understanding is that the hearing just simply stayed open. So The attention was when we're ready with the next.
09:19:16 Iteration that reflects board discussion to date. As well as PAO recommended changes for legal risk purposes.
09:19:25 Then we would post that and my intention was to post that well in advance of the Monday that we would actually have.
09:19:32 The board go into session and consider an adopting ordinance. So for example I'm just looking at the dates.
09:19:40 This is a thought exercise because again, I don't, I'd rather not set a date until we have the information that we have.
09:19:45 But let's just say for a moment. We were looking at the 20Â s of April, then I would be looking to post the draft by the twelfth, Friday the twelfth.
09:19:55 And so that would give up the, you know, the whole. 10 days essentially before the, before the board would go back in a session, then on the day of the 20Â s you would have
public comment that would be considered part of the of the hearing process still and then you just end the hearing and make a decision on that day.
09:20:13 I guess I thought that we had closed oral testimony. No, no, this is a longest hearing.
09:20:27 But I do think there because we wanted to be able to take, oral testimony. Yeah. But I do think that because we wanted to be able to take, oral testimony, day of, but I do think
closing written.
09:20:36 You know, day before something is helpful so that we know we have a chance to read it all.
09:20:40 Getting written testimony. So once the date of the deliberation is set, then we will set a date to close written testimony.
09:20:48 Okay. Likely, yeah. That sounds good. So stay tuned.
09:20:57 To be asked. I guess it will end. I was wrong. That's good.
09:21:06 And, I don't think I really, you know, I appreciate the dedication of all the folks that are really following the SNP and we really do want to get it right, you know.
09:21:16 Do encourage people to, you know. Not start getting personal, you know, let's talk about the policies, not the people, not the businesses as much as possible.
09:21:25 It would be great to just keep, yeah, in the rarefied air of policy purity.
09:21:31 And, that's all it has. Good, thank you. I don't have anything new fresh or new to add so I won't, they'll drag this on.
09:21:40 Alright, I'll just. maybe. Hmm. Can't help but small, detail, Maggie, the, the recording fees did increase a lot last year and it is the state portion of the recording fees,
not the county's portion.
09:21:58 So It went to them and then they gave it back. We get a certain portion and that part did not increase, but the state loves to do that.
09:22:12 I think I'm leaving. It is strange that they went up a lot, but our portion is still decreased just because of the number of transactions has decreased with high interest rates,
largely, alright, I will do one more call for public comment online.
09:22:27 Anyone online would like to, please hit raise hands. This would be the last call. Gonna close it.
09:22:36 Alright, go ahead and close.
09:22:41 Unless we take a look at our consent agenda. Absolutely. And so we're, positive on the, Thank you.
09:23:09 Great news too about the on demand user fee. Go on mobile on the campgrounds.
09:23:13 I remember there was a big like, I don't know, cashbox themes and everything.
09:23:18 And this seems like an easy thing to do. It's how the world works now. So yeah, that's great that we're catching up there.
09:23:24 Yes, we did that transition at the fair ground. Big labor saver. Yeah.
09:23:32 Anything else? I'm happy to move that we approve and adopt the consent agenda as presented. All those in favor, Bye.
09:23:45 Consent agenda is approved. I would say this is the smallest Lawrence number I think I've ever seen.
09:23:54 Although we have such a fine one. Yeah, we get those randomly on Fridays and you should be having the agenda posted by then so Yeah, it depends on when we when published.
09:24:09 Chair, can I walk something on? It doesn't have to be right now, but I have a couple of levels of support for Mason County later, but we also have I didn't get the draft until
late Friday, but I have a letter of support for the hose, the whole tribes.
09:24:28 Earmark ask. I always feel the congressional appropriation ask for a turn line off 101 for their new highland as they're moving their village up closer to 101 and I would love
to be able to get that to them since they're due today by noon.
09:24:45 So if we can take a look at it. Consider it before then. Great. Yeah, should do that now.
09:24:53 It's like we have time before. I can put it on screen. I'm sorry I was able to get.
09:25:02 I will share my screen.
09:25:42 Change the, right? Hmm.
09:25:49 No, this totally makes sense. And we don't feel any conflict in support of multiple asks to be.
09:25:57 I think that, needs to be smaller. Oh, thank you. Okay.
09:26:14 One space. That's the convention. Now, one space. Thank you.
09:26:23 Looks good to me. I'm happy to move that we approve sending this letter in support of the.
09:26:29 Oh, Tribe's request for a aggressionally directed. Community project. I will second but we should probably open it up for comments.
09:26:39 Yeah. And maybe first if you don't mind a couple of questions, do you know if they're working with Lasha on this?
09:26:47 Believe they are working with Watchdog, yes. Yeah, talk to vice chair Lopez and she mentioned communication with them.
09:26:54 I don't know. I mean, they're trying to get, I mean, washed out will be the one to put in the turnline, of course.
09:27:00 Trying to put a C store right there, to be in store gas station and then kind of moving the whole village up there, to be in store gas station and then kind of moving the whole
village up there.
09:27:06 And, so when washed out is in support of it. You know, That I don't know.
09:27:12 I haven't talked about safety. Entering and leaving state highways but. So yeah, stop right now.
09:27:22 Support this over. Okay. Alright, since we have walked this on and are going to take action, we will open it up for public comment.
09:27:33 Would anyone like to provide public comment on the draft letter of support? Soon this is going to, oh, it has all 3 members or a congressional delegation.
09:27:41 For, for, spending, year.
09:27:48 That public comments I'll just do tiers.
09:28:06 Okay, good morning, Commissioners. I'm sorry, I clicked my hand a little bit later.
09:28:12 I was trying to get into the general public comment period not to comment on this particular item. If I could have that opportunity, I appreciate it.
09:28:19 I suppose can wait till next week. Thank you.
09:28:22 You may, why don't you stay put, but we will, let's finish up action on this particular item.
09:28:28 Okay.
09:28:27 So seeing no public comment on this item, I'll call the vote. All those in favor of supporting the, approving the letter support PCI.
09:28:37 Aye. Okay, thanks. All right.
09:28:48 Thank you very much, Chair Dean. I just wanted to comment first of all to thank the county and DCD for holding those sessions.
09:28:58 Regarding short term rentals. I thought it was a very educational and I was pleasantly surprised by the large turnout of people who were interested in the subject.
09:29:10 One issue though that is continuing problem is the inability for people to look up permit information on their own from the DCD website, you know, because of the software.
09:29:23 Conversion problems and so on and so forth. I know the DCD is planning, hoping to have this problem resolved by sometime this summer.
09:29:32 But it really is a hindrance to people such as myself who are trying to find out. What various people are doing on their property in terms of compliance with our rental regulations
and other zoning regulations.
09:29:46 So, you know, the more we can do to expedite that process. The better and that's my request.
09:29:53 So thanks very much.
09:29:55 Thank you. Mr. Trish.
09:29:59 Any response to Mr. Tish? Or I think I agree a hundred percent. Yeah, no, they they were graded in formative meetings and I was on the radio with, Brent Butler, that kind of
debrief them and it sounds like they went really well and we're.
09:30:14 Knowledge went out and a lot of knowledge came back to from this conversation so I think they were a success.
09:30:20 And I agree, I know DCD and Sharon, our consultants are working as quickly as possible to get those.
09:30:28 Information online as they used to be and yeah anything we can do I think we supported them with every ask to try to get that going as quickly as possible.
09:30:38 I'm hoping with new staff and IT that we're able to. To throw additional shoulders into the end of the work.
09:30:43 This is they're an interim solution, or. At 1 point DCD. Okay. I do think, so a couple of take ways for me at the, community meetings last week.
09:31:06 Was that, A couple of people in the room have short term rentals and didn't know they were supposed to.
09:31:15 Yes, the permit. Same at my meeting. And they were, very willing to do so.
09:31:24 Second, and this is, I think, part of what Mr. Chair is getting at was, There's no way to look and see if your neighbors.
09:31:32 Short term rental is permitted or not. And that, you know, that should be public information. It is, you could request it.
09:31:39 But I wonder if given that we don't have that many permitted, 78 at our last.
09:31:45 Account. I wonder if that could be even just. You know, post of as a spreadsheet so that people could say, oh, it does my neighbor have a permit and You know, there are often
some, conditions attached to those permits.
09:32:02 You know, number of people in bedrooms rented out that kind of thing that Might be useful information that might make it a whole lot more work.
09:32:11 But I do think that that could be an interim step where at least I could see. What can result is a lengthy addition to our code compliance officers.
09:32:26 List of things to investigate. I guess I'm not crazy about that idea. I feel like as DCD, you know, gets this under, we get a process, you know, like the process that I like
best was putting it on.
09:32:35 Third party, you know, putting a license number in the Airbnb listing that references your license number and you know as we develop whatever process that or something else.
09:32:44 Proactively reach out to those that aren't permitted and let them know. I don't know.
09:32:51 I just, I feel like it will make, will get, you know, 330 complaints and, and a month.
09:32:58 I don't know. But having a list is a whole lot easier than dealing with 330 public records requests to get the information that is public.
09:33:11 Through the application process and approval process. So, I made a couple notes, I'm getting with Josh from this, see what we can do.
09:33:25 Yeah, or, branch to maybe, you know, I think the. The change in regulation that we're.
09:33:30 Okay, grappling with right now, not even a proposing yet is gonna take a long time. And so if there's a kind of interim step I'm open to considering that.
09:33:43 This is the information I was trying to find at when I was at that, try area. Short term mental meeting.
09:33:51 So if there's 78 permitted. Start, 400 and something I think. We were told 500 and something by a private company who did some research.
09:34:09 But you know, I don't want to state that as fact. When it has not been bedded.
09:34:12 Okay, but that is here. More than 78. Yeah, a whole lot more. Yeah.
09:34:25 Alright.
09:34:30 Okay, Yeah. Hmm. Let's see.
09:34:48 So.
09:34:52 Last Monday, of course, here with you guys. On Tuesday in the afternoon we had the behavioral health of the regular quarterly meeting of the behavioral health advisory committee.
09:35:02 Robust attendance at that. I would say. Jennifer Mitchell. She's doing the the finance piece for that now is doing a great job.
09:35:14 I'm providing kind of updated information. You know, Missing Veronica, but it's great to have a bigger team there.
09:35:26 And apple did a bit of an update on the opioid settlements, but I mean, it was more of a review of everything that we know of what's going to behavior health consortium and
what's coming to behavioral advisory committee.
09:35:46 Just looking at.
09:35:51 Anyway, okay, so let's see and then. Let me think.
09:35:58 We had our. Second geography specific, drainage district focus group. For my concrete drainage district.
09:36:10 Unless one was focused on the. Eastern. Reach.
09:36:19 And again, it was great turnout. A lot of, folks who had come to the previous weeks meeting were there again, but also a number of new landowners.
09:36:28 And I feel like the community engagement around this issue is robust and we're planning to send a postcard mailing to.
09:36:37 All the, landowners in the drainage district just to let them know about this effort, cause we feel like we're just getting a subset.
09:36:45 Of landowners, probably the ones who are most connected to the ad community because those are the email lists that have been used.
09:36:52 To let people know about these focus groups. So. The conservation district is. Because they've got a lot of that, listing that.
09:37:05 Yeah, Joe, Joe Waldrop has been helping to coordinate all of these meetings and.
09:37:09 I'll let them as I've been attending them all. So yeah. Deep experience there.
09:37:14 So anyway, it's been it's been a really good process so far. And I feel like it's something that I'm gonna be focusing on myself in the next month.
09:37:26 To help get that postcard mailing out. American, and some of the other staff at the other end of the hall about helping with that.
09:37:34 So. There are about 400 landowners in the drainage district and I'd say, you know, to date, maybe 50 have participated in these meetings.
09:37:46 So we have a big. Big cohort. Probably is not tuned in to what's going on.
09:37:55 Lake Chamaconus. Yeah, currently. Does anyone track how?
09:37:59 How much water is actually accumulating. I used to pay very close attention to what date it receded because we needed it to receive from the blueberry.
09:38:12 Is it been river by June first of time? But, is there any way of actually knowing if it's getting worse or.
09:38:27 But, is there any way of actually knowing if it's getting worse or well it is getting worse or well it is getting it is worse than it has been in the past because there haven't
been a lot of the Couple of years, largely route thanks to Ryan Short.
09:38:33 But also, I know that the conservation district is out there today doing some drone photos. Of the extent of the.
09:38:42 The lake. So. Hmm.
09:38:49 On Wednesday, most of pretty much the entire day. I spent on the DNR carbon force management work group meeting.
09:39:00 I stepped out for An hour to attend my department of ecology organics. Legislative kind of the implementation work that the Department of Ecology has been doing.
09:39:14 On the organics issue and you know what striking about that is that they've gotten, there was the work group was great in terms of diversity of.
09:39:25 You know. Strengths and also.
09:39:35 Subject matter experts around organics and a lot of folks. With experience and recycling and but I felt like that what we're the kind of point that remains came up, not not
being very articulate today.
09:39:54 Was that it really there is a vast divide between urban and rural issues when it comes to this issue of organics.
09:40:02 Management and It feels like most of the recommendations that came out of this work group are more around urban urban solutions.
09:40:11 So there wasn't a lot of, I feel like that we gained a lot from the process.
09:40:18 Although They get inserted into the process because they were like 3 of us constantly reminding them that these urban issues don't relate to us, but.
09:40:28 And it'll be interesting to see what comes out of this. As a next step. That's interesting because urban areas have.
09:40:36 Some more. Options as I perceive it, the density so that it pays to collect organics and then there are commercial operations viable to be composting those which is why most
of the folks on this work group.
09:40:54 Said that this would work, these recommendations would work in an urban area but not necessarily in rural areas. Cause there is the concentration of population.
09:41:04 And capacity. So, yeah, be nice.
09:41:08 But I wish we could have some, you know, even if it were South Hall. Some way to capture for those who are willing to try to capture more of our organ in the county.
09:41:22 It is a significant portion of our. Carbon emissions. Charring it up and
09:41:38 And, reintegrating that carbon into the soil as, as an additive. But that's still one business, you know, taking the rings.
09:41:45 For that solution. I mean, that's the thing I think that the capacity issue was the thing that kept coming up when you looked at the urban and rural divide on organics management
is.
09:41:57 You know, it's the solutions were either. The, provide the separate box at every house and you know in the urban areas versus the residents each.
09:42:13 Themselves and delivering their organics to a centralized location. Right. So it was making another So, you know, it's just it was the striking thing to me was just the the
gap between the urban and rural solutions.
09:42:33 And I feel like I would have like to maybe the next track for this conversation can be actually a rural track.
09:42:40 One of the world solutions for this issue versus just saying. There's no capacity in rural areas. So.
09:42:51 And, and then I did attend the short term rental discussion at the Tri community center in the evening.
09:43:01 On Wednesday.
09:43:03 Thursday. Mark and I met with Mallory. To talk about her contract.
09:43:11 Or monthly check in, it's going well. We are planning to get some. Benning projects on the books for this year to do some more harvest.
09:43:24 On County on lands and Mallory's got I think 4. On doing force practice applications for so we'll see those.
09:43:32 Any idea of the market for that one? Well, her priority would be to market it locally with her, you know, network of folks who are doing 1 million, locally.
09:43:45 So market it there first and then and then elsewhere after that. Yeah.
09:43:50 And then in the later in the afternoon, Matt with Kara Cardinal about, the straight ER in the next great ER in meeting.
09:44:01 Rep and. The ecosystem coordination board. We're gonna. Our next straight ER in meeting will be.
09:44:09 Alongside the next ecosystem coordination board meeting. And the Pizza Sound partnership.
09:44:16 In. Yeah, we're actually looking to do it. I think the DENNESS RESENTR.
09:44:28 And Friday I was out for an appointment. So. That was last week. Sorry, Thank you.
09:44:42 They're very pretty. Let's see, my last week. On Monday, I think I reported we had a kind of we had reschedule our Friday meeting of the Olympic Consortium Board, the kind of
the executive board for the Olympic workforce development to Monday and that's going well.
09:45:03 It's nice to work with. Different group of electives there. Just kind of. Housekeeping really met with.
09:45:10 Potential candidate for office Tuesday morning. There's lots of those running around right now. And then, late Tuesday morning we had the EDC Finance Committee, which is a great
group.
09:45:23 It's, and you know. Working on well. I'm trying to push him to.
09:45:31 Consider a 32Â h work week because since Carrie left the comms position there We got a approval from the full board to raise the salary for those.
09:45:42 The job that was cut in half to create the the finance position that Kelly then and the bookkeeper essentially and the And I think, 25 to 35 just to be competitive and both
of them are kind of going from 20Â h to more like 35 just to be competitive and both of them are kind of going from 20Â h to more like 32Â HA week that was like well why don't you just
raise it to 30
09:46:00 one dollars and call it a full time 32Â h job. So I just think I'm bringing the 32Â h take time.
09:46:10 Does, does that apply to us as well? Well. I mean, you know, eventually I help.
09:46:18 But no, this is just the 2 positions in EDC that we're talking about. Reframing the positions and it's the same numbers I just I feel like reframing it.
09:46:31 For the part time position so they wanted to rate lower that. That requirement from 40Â h to 32.
09:46:37 And I am the second one. Sounds like you're redefining with that. But the job is, but what the full time job is.
09:46:45 Just, trying to raise Mark's blood pressure. TCC, Tuesday afternoon, I'm still struggling to get the calendar of lights, but I didn't get there this time.
09:46:57 And it was. Yeah, you know, positive, always great to see how it's going around the county and with Optic as well.
09:47:06 Tuesday evening on personal note I went to Help some of the yes campaign on the Kelsey and Levy.
09:47:18 So let's see, school, they're doing it again in April. So there will be another election this year.
09:47:25 Last ditch attempt and I'm supportive as a private citizen. On Wednesday we had our recompete Jefferson meeting.
09:47:34 You know, it's going really well. I think, the Thursday meeting with the job creation subcommittee I had to miss with with the conflict for an emergency shelter meeting.
09:47:44 But I think both of our projects, you know, that are really, local are going forward.
09:47:53 The portfolio expansion as a recommendation to move forward as well as. North West Windboat Centers, training programs are really being considered as part of the package right
now as we're still refining the big problem with Recompete is still We are waiting for data.
09:48:08 To be able to do the barrier and workforce development aspects of the grant. And we won't get that data tell.
09:48:16 April fifth, April tenth, some of the contracts they aren't even still signed. So it's like all these systemic delays are just pushing it down and compressing the time that
we can actually write the grant.
09:48:28 So I think the grant writers, including our own Amanda Christopherson, are getting feeling feeling the pants.
09:48:34 It's, it's Creating stress. Who is doing that work? So there's, you know, Amanda Christopherson is.
09:48:43 There's a contract with West Down's STEM network and they're coming to our Northwood Canal chamber meeting and reaching out to a lot of they've been had a couple of meeting
out and they're coming to our Northwood Canal chamber meeting and reaching out to a lot of they've been had a couple of meeting out with Rod Fleck and Forks and folks out there.
09:48:55 And then NODC has also taken on a small bit of it to do more. Barrier assessment work but it's really West sounds to network in a contract with Peninsula College.
09:49:04 Okay. And we had the orca meeting. I'm still vice chair of Orca and, are doing some bylaw updates and the bylaws really strong actually.
09:49:16 Was good. I liked them. So it won't be a big lift. On Thursday we had the NODC executive board meeting.
09:49:23 I'm I think now officially the vice chair of the NODC for the coming year.
09:49:29 So that's great. They had me. As treasure for a moment and I was like, are you sure?
09:49:38 Not really allowed to manage my own checkbook. But vice chair it is. And then had a meeting with, Laura Gaslin, T, true, or GT.
09:49:50 That's what she calls herself. Because she sits next to another, the Laura, I said to Dini.
09:49:54 So working a lot. With different organizations on what to do. About the closing shelter, the workshop that was going to be planned for.
09:50:02 This week where we're pushing a little bit as you can see from my response to public comment. It's very The game is afoot and only cap has.
09:50:14 Said they're going to extend the you know give one more month the support at the shelter and looking at other agencies and and exploring our emergency encampment ordinance with
face basedbased organizations to see if there might be some, gap that we can fill.
09:50:32 And then I'd love to hear how it went. I know you met with Only Cap last week too.
09:50:36 I'm regarding congressional appropriation. So a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes and had a good meeting with Laura and Pinky.
09:50:43 Then met with the consultant from West Sound STEM network as they were going out there and I connected them with some folks that I had encountered in the Glen Cove exploration
and the port is connecting them with a bunch of the larger employers down there to see what issues they're experiencing and then They're reaching out to specific communities to kind
of engage with the pegs.
09:51:07 We still really the prime age employment gap, those folks that are experiencing that, we call them pegs.
09:51:13 I don't know if it's reductive, but. They're trying really, we still really struggled.
09:51:17 I know. You know, what are they? Do they want? 40Â h jobs?
09:51:21 You know, of course, like anything, they're not a I'm onto this group. You know, they're, a bunch of different people, but trying to get some idea of why folks in that 25 to
54 age group aren't engaged in full time.
09:51:34 Maybe full time is just too many hours. Child care is a huge one. Yeah. Yeah.
09:51:43 And then, Thursday evening I joined the Brent Butler at the quilting community center for the short terminal conversation there.
09:51:50 Really robust conversation. A little lighter attendance I think than maybe some of the other places probably 10 people 8 people but really robust solution-oriented conversation
there too you know some of the short term runners had landlords had no idea that there was a permit process for that.
09:52:10 And then of course talked about some of the challenges of the options, you know, being. You know, just because you make it harder to be a short term.
09:52:19 Landlord or own brand a short term rental doesn't mean it turns into a long term rental and talked about some of the tenant landlord things and how it's really pushed some of
them on and pop landlords out of the business.
09:52:35 I would say we definitely have that, that, flavor of conversation at the try area as well. Yeah, we talked a lot about it at TCC as well.
09:52:51 Yeah. I would say we definitely have that, that, flavor of conversation at the Tri as well.
09:52:54 Yeah, we talked a lot lodging tax comes from Short terminals, but I forget what that's what was the last couple of years.
09:52:58 I tried to find that in the midst of that short term rental meeting and I want to say I remember being told at 1 point that it was like 20 or 25% but I could not find that in
any of the treasures reports.
09:53:09 Nice. For years she was not able to separate them out, but I think she is now. I felt like I felt like too, but then when I looked at the last budget committee, I think she
is now.
09:53:22 I felt like I felt like too, but then I looked at the last budget committee treasures document on LTAG funds.
09:53:23 Oh yeah, we can get the letters. I, I could use a. Hi, break before our 10 o'clock.
09:53:39 And, if you're walking down, the hall, would you mind, asking somebody to make coffee? Sure.
09:53:44 I forgot to ask before it came down. I'm asking somebody to make coffee. Sure. I forgot to ask before it came down. It was out. Sorry.
09:53:48 I can finish my week if you wanna take a quick break. 7Â min. Okay, I won't hit pause on this.
09:53:54 I'll run and come back. Yeah, sorry, that was a big part of the conversation at TCC on Tuesday too.
09:54:03 I'm pointing out some towns down in California that Put a ban on short term, and it ended up really depressing the economic activity and creating no more long-term rentals.
09:54:13 So, you know, as came out in a conversation at, in, on Thursday, it's, it's really a nuanced issue and there's not.
09:54:19 A side that is right or wrong. There was a few people online from, or at least one who made a comment from Calum County that talked about the process that Portangelist went
through and was really kind of appreciative of the conversation as a short term rental owner, you know, and and someone who really recognized.
09:54:38 The impact, you know, some of the other things were like putting a limit on how many short term rentals in a particular area or saying this area is just a short-term rental
area.
09:54:47 So there's lots of interesting potentials but I love the idea of putting it on the platforms themselves to to enforce it that seems like a Yeah, a real.
09:55:00 Non-staffed way to actually enforce it as, as we move forward. But how would that get it the differences between the different?
09:55:07 Geographies and the different short terminal opportunities if the platforms were developed some way to I guess. I can.
09:55:14 Develop a smart way to manage it. They just put the license number. In the listing. Yeah, and if we would need to pass an ordinance that requires.
09:55:26 Platforms to only list. That had that show, that they have a permit. We have somebody at the Cape George meeting who has a short term rental in Seattle and she said you couldn't
do anything until you submitted.
09:55:42 The 10 different permits that the city of Seattle requires for a short term rental. All of those had to be submitted the Airbnb before it would be listed.
09:55:51 That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. So do we do that as an interim step or, you know, wait to kind of complete our whole.
09:56:01 You know, strategy and. Regulation. I feel like, no, I, you know, there's a lot of process to go through and conversations to have.
09:56:11 So I probably, it seems like that's a good. I got my eye on that in the horizon, but I wouldn't.
09:56:16 Thank you. And then, and you want to get out, Friday went on KPTZ with Brent Butler at 1230 for County Connections and talked about the debrief and Brent had a lot more reflections
that he shared as well.
09:56:30 And I think the process went really well. So you can always check that out online. And that were those are the high points of my week.
09:56:39 Great, Can we? She said it's all right. Yeah, we're gonna recess until 10 o'clock when we have our briefing Good.
09:56:56 I'm hoping to be done this morning by 1130 possible. Are you out this afternoon or no?
09:57:04 Okay.
10:02:19 Okay. Thank you. Hmm.
10:02:31 We're coming back from a quick recess and. Av captures like streaming is not working, although telling those to be on zoom.
10:02:43 That's not. Technical problems there. So, it's very exciting. I played for the first time in 4 years.
10:02:56 For being joined in person by DNR for our quarterly update. So welcome to, and nice to meet in person, Bill Wells.
10:03:05 So, shall I pass it off to the 2 of you? Thank you for inviting us here.
10:03:11 As you said, with this being my first, coordinating meeting with Jackson County.
10:03:20 Important that we be in person, based base base and and then. Okay, so that's I know I introduced myself briefly.
10:03:34 Through Zoom the last time, so I'll keep it short, but. Dowells, new, I'm a big, manager, I've been with DNR.
10:03:42 21 years, all of that, you know, a big region. So I'm familiar with.
10:03:50 The state lands issues of course that we have and they participate in fire as well. And so Trying to get back up to speed with that.
10:04:01 The decade plus since I was active. As region manager, by responsibility. So just making sure that that work.
10:04:10 Prepared for the summer. With that, I don't have anything else to share, but I can answer any questions about myself or.
10:04:19 My role if we happen.
10:04:23 I don't think so. No, just glad you're here. It's nice to, you know, shake hands and meet you in person.
10:04:29 So I appreciate you taking the time. Thank you. With that, I'll turn over to Jordan to present Okay, so this meeting is close out from calendar 23.
10:04:43 And we're almost done with. For scoring 24. We'll be back.
10:04:50 So what, is that what you want? Yeah, this spreads.
10:04:57 So we had a good year, you know, 23, lot, lot of sales finished up.
10:05:03 Ended up closing out the year at 4.3 million. So our typical 10 year average is about 1.5 1.7.
10:05:15 So we did real well. Data downhill paid finished up, which was a huge. Huge one.
10:05:25 Went really well and actually I think that out a little bit higher than we thought. Jupiter was supposed to close out this last fall, but It was slow harvest up there so There
again they extended but I believe they almost paid the sale off so the only thing hanging out there right now is your initial deposit which should come in.
10:05:49 Probably late fall is my guess. I think they're actually active right now. So it should probably finish up maybe by mid-summer, close out, then your ID will come back.
10:06:02 $3,700. So. Center 1, 21 thing closes out this fall and it's just like the typical pinning.
10:06:11 It's just. Chatting along with a person, you know, pretty reliable, So usually about 10 to 20,000 a month every month.
10:06:21 So it's. Getting close to being done. Both rehab finished up and paid out.
10:06:26 Hey, your valleys finished and paid out. And any wise. I can't have expected it.
10:06:35 The expiration isn't for a little bit longer. Yeah, well this year, but I kind of expected that one to finish up in 23 but They still got another 600,000 to go.
10:06:46 And under contract so but it will finish this. We had sold, but. Took back.
10:06:56 Lotscrocker so that one won't be showing up. And then they can go into that.
10:07:08 Why did you take it back? What's happening? Okay, so you're waiting to the end of the Is there a plan to appeal that?
10:07:14 Don't know. Yeah, I don't have anything to share other than DNR did.
10:07:22 Pull back the force back to send. But it's still under litigation. Okay. So still under contract then for this year is about 711,000.
10:07:36 And that's what I expect for this year. So we're gonna drop quite a bit under average.
10:07:42 So, and then for I'm not sure if it's actually gonna sell in 24.
10:07:49 Or maybe, early winter, 25 is our valadjusted sale. And so that one.
10:07:56 It's at about 3 million feet as well as projected that right now and What I'm expecting is that one will be the income for 25.
10:08:07 Typically, since it sells this winter. It'll have a chance to operate. It'll certainly build rows and probably start operating in someone point by and then finish out the balance
in 26.
10:08:36 I worked with them all a long time, so we wanna they wanna pick. Yeah, I like it.
10:09:02 To give you a story on, Don't, don't, and, to be, well, I think that's my favorite.
10:09:13 That's a pretty good one. They're almost pretty good. Sitting that is a good one too.
10:09:18 We digress. So that's what we're looking at, of course, next quarter.
10:09:24 Meeting I'll have all of the 24 predictions and you'll be now to 25.
10:09:32 Sounds. That's where we're at. It's still your.
10:09:39 But there is an estimate for 24 in here currently, right? Probably need to pay out. But that's pretty solid.
10:09:53 And any any guesses on 25 that No, that one's kind of stuff. If.
10:10:02 Depending on Alan Justin. And, you know, market. And all that, at 3 million feet, I'm hoping to get around a million dollars.
10:10:13 Between 800 and a million. And again, I'm thinking it'll probably just throwing a guess out, I'd say, 50, 50.
10:10:24 And, 2526. But that's another one. And 3 million feet.
10:10:32 Depending on the purchaser and the harvester. It could all go into one side too.
10:10:38 And you know, lately it just kind of depends on which company gets them. You know. Murphy tends to hang on to him a little bit longer, approach them slower.
10:10:47 If back of our gets in there, it's gonna be cut in a week. They just, they don't sit. They like to go right now.
10:10:54 So, and inner for SPI, they can, they'll usually spread it out a little more.
10:11:01 But it just depends on the market. We're slipping a little bit. We had a Last month we had.
10:11:09 2 sales in Clearwater or in Coast District and one in Straits and Straits always gets the high price.
10:11:16 We had one in the Clearwater Block that sold for 370,000, which is a great price for the clear water.
10:11:25 And the one in Port Angela sold for just over 300. That just that happens. Wow, so.
10:11:32 You know, and of course, it, you know, it's Type of Wood market, all that.
10:11:36 But. How's the market going? I mean, it is slipping. It's starting to go down.
10:11:41 It's been going down. It's been going down for a while, but we're doing down.
10:11:46 It's been going down for a while, but we're doing well. We've been selling everything, we're getting good 2 to 3 bits for sale, generally.
10:11:50 And so we've been kinda holding in there and hanging right in, but last month showed a little bit of slippage.
10:11:58 We're starting to. Hmm. Whether that will say or not. You know, the trend has been downward and it's been a long time.
10:12:07 I mean, it's like a 7 year cycle. Typically, but we've been doing really well for several years now.
10:12:14 So was that 800 to a million? Is that the county you share? Or total? Man.
10:12:22 Yeah, yeah, 25% less than that. That's So be a little under that.
10:12:27 Okay.
10:12:31 The last time I saw you was out at the shore thing tour. We did few weeks back. That was great.
10:12:39 Was glad to see that. County. Prevails on that one because I know the commissioners out there are working really hard to
10:12:49 Find another solution for that timber sale and then it made sense to me when I saw how steep it was.
10:12:54 I was like, oh my god, it's that, you know, I looked at Brian Turner and I was like, you hard would harvest that and was felt really steep to me, but he explained how it would
be done.
10:13:07 Yeah, so I think that the 150 is shakers that that we freed up for Calum County, we're attributed to.
10:13:20 Not the block on Mount Walker, but something up not to pass. So do you guys have any idea what the plan is with that block now?
10:13:30 Not pass. So there was, at least one unit of a plan sale that was in that block.
10:13:39 We haven't made a determination as to, you know, the order in which that would be harvested, since it was not part of the 2,000 acres.
10:13:50 And this can be considered part of our. Active management. Okay. We'll put that back in your plan.
10:13:59 But really wanna thank all of you for your willingness to work. With Palm County and the Commissioner.
10:14:07 On finding, you know, the best acres for the peninsula and that sure thing. Members of the associated areas it is.
10:14:15 A really good spot for I think the intent of that 2,008. No, it's that eastern end of like, when you when you're driving on 1 1.
10:14:30 Turn your blender, turn your eyes up when you get near nearing like southern and you'll see these just deep.
10:14:39 Coming straight down and I was like, whoa. Yeah. So it's it is I think a good outcome.
10:14:44 I don't know. That's great. We have our assessor Jeff Shetman here.
10:14:50 Jeff, anything you wanna? Add and will need a mic if you do. Alright, Yeah. Yeah, I was curious about.
10:15:06 Our tab, you know, our September tax revenue that some more or less than checking distance, rely really heavily on the tab.
10:15:16 And it can be 60 70% of the 5 that we'll see the each player water school revenue can come from that and it we were being conservative with tab and all sudden the last year
was just huge.
10:15:32 And so they, you know, there was access tab that schools didn't take get, but you know, all the regular districts did get.
10:15:38 But now when you predicting forward, we could predict at the high level and then what you're always worried about is all sudden drop off.
10:15:45 And that you know and then the schools won't get their full task. So do you know, how do you feel?
10:15:52 You feel like, where the timber taxi, which is also on private land, you think that it'll be fairly consistently.
10:15:58 Good going forward. So you get that off our Lance too. So. My guess on the reason it's high, we're cut, we're cutting hard in the Clearwater Block, which would be the bulk of
that.
10:16:12 And but rain is also cutting hard. But they're slowing down quickly. They How are you?
10:16:21 I don't remember what David told me their cut was, but. Yes, like below 30 million for the West End this year.
10:16:28 Which is way down. And so my guess is you'll see a decrease in that from our lands.
10:16:37 We got the T 3 study which was 70 million feet. And so that's all harvesting now.
10:16:45 Rock just sold out of price. This summer. So Mike's got quite a bit cutting in the block.
10:16:52 So from our side it'll be We pray sold over 2 years. We price sold 80 90 million feet out there.
10:17:02 But Brainier probably went way over that. So I'm thinking it's gonna go down.
10:17:07 Okay. It'll come down because of the private side fruit growers isn't doing a lot.
10:17:14 Green crow sold out of there newly owns their lands now So you're gonna see that come down.
10:17:23 It'll it's primary and you're going it's gonna slow. Okay, so thank you.
10:17:29 We'll probably stay pretty consistent from here on out. But the other, Okay, yeah, that's helpful.
10:17:36 And my other question to do with the cultural resources and analysis that we have to be doing and say lands a lot now.
10:17:43 Does that affect timber harvesting at all? Is that, you know, I know a lot of them and I do a lot of recreation and I'm getting shut down or post until call for resource analysis
can be done to make sure that there are any ball and something else.
10:18:00 Is that how does that affect the in our camera? So when we put up the sale, we were a special.
10:18:04 Concerns report. And if anything shows up on that report, we gotta bring in an archaeologist. And we've actually.
10:18:12 We have, I guess. One archaeologist per 2 regions. We share them and they've been trying to build that up in division, cause they all come out of.
10:18:23 And so they see. Anything that comes up, then you gotta get them on site. But also the timber sales layout people.
10:18:33 All are trying to see the same links or anything that's suspicious. So if they come across, what could be an old trail or railroad grade or anything like that.
10:18:43 Then they'll call back in and get an archaeologist schedule. And so it basically just comes down.
10:18:51 To whether we can get an archaeologist out there and then the magnitude of what they find. And then they have to write it up.
10:18:58 And then we'll also coordinate with local tribes. Yeah, cause we'll know if there's a tribal hit out there, but we won't know what it is.
10:19:06 So then we have to coordinate with the tribe and bring them out. Now look at where, you know, this is the boundaries of what we're doing.
10:19:13 And they'll tell us yes or no. Okay, you can go ahead and. And if there's something found in old Homestead, old dump site.
10:19:21 You know, from a homestead, then we'll do things to protect those. And those are kind of custom built, you know, depending on what you find.
10:19:28 And they can slow us down and they might add a couple of weeks to the layout but that's You, usually it's just You know, and there's railroad grades all over out, you know,
especially in the West End, but if the grades been converted to a truck road then you know it's not a concern.
10:19:46 So, but if there is a great, then we'll have to look at it and see, you know, what the vintage was and what's left.
10:19:52 And and then figure out how to protect it. If it's needed. It may be just avoid it.
10:19:58 Don't put equipment on it. Don't tear it up. Right, maybe that's simple, but then like if you find a remnants of a little cabin, we might put a ring of lead trees around it
to protect it.
10:20:09 Just so really it's just the time that it takes to get an archaeologist out there and get the you know, get a written up and then each district has archaeological.
10:20:20 Tax, they're not archaeologists by trade, but they go to training to learn to recognize things.
10:20:26 Oh, write up the reports and that kind of stuff. So. Okay, I'm just, you know, we're dealing with it with the or plan that they're doing for recreation.
10:20:35 Yeah, and Justin's involved in that. And yeah, we're looking at we've been held up by the RCO on some projects.
10:20:42 So we're, well, how's that going to affect as you get out of lower elevation?
10:20:48 And it so anything that we get capital funding for we have to do Well, Capital or our CEO, we have to do an archaeological assessment.
10:20:55 Before we move in. So we've got one archaeologist that just handles that. Recreation, you know, CRT division.
10:21:05 So. And they have that's all they do with zoom direct sites and natural areas and that kind of stuff.
10:21:10 Okay, so yeah, it's everywhere even. We got capital funding for extra solar culture this year and anything that's gonna be that funding is gonna touch if we're gonna do anything.
10:21:25 That digs in the soil, we have to have an archaeological suspect. And sometimes that's just as simple as a looking at mouse.
10:21:32 And pulling reports and saying, no, there's there's never been any activity out here. And then you double check that the tribe, cause some of their stuff is online.
10:21:43 They They just don't want anybody touching things, so which makes sense. And so you touch in base with the try and talk to our geologist and if there's no findings they just
said it's clear go ahead.
10:21:54 But it's, you know, and we're not used to that silver culture. Every other program is used to it.
10:22:04 So we're PC team, we're clear because we're not going into the soil.
10:22:05 But. If you're gonna plant trees, you gotta have a look down. So, okay, thank you very much.
10:22:11 Yeah, I know it's a little bit off topic, but it's a big deal and right now because of the governor's order.
10:22:17 Yeah, yeah, we'll look at that for everything. Okay, thank you. Yeah. Thanks.
10:22:26 Did you wanna respond, Bill? Yeah, I'll just add that. It's not unusual for people in general not to realize the full extent.
10:22:36 Of the policies and procedures that in our personnel. Take into consideration, to lay out. timber harvest and so.
10:22:49 Audra, you made it sound like it's just part of the process. That's because it's been so well integrated into.
10:22:55 Just what we have to do to manage our lives. And so. If there's ever a need, or desire for us to do additional presentations on and the steps towards harvest.
10:23:09 You know, if it happens to be. No culture resources or roads or so.
10:23:19 Fair plants I used to I used to do the FPA review for DNR on our plants in the nineties.
10:23:25 So, you know, I remember that was that was a step too. We were a step in the process.
10:23:31 And so if there's ever a desire to care more on that, please just let us know when we can.
10:23:36 Make sure we provide. For accounting for One question I had was.
10:23:43 There's a parcel that was, it's not, it's in Clown County, it's, called South Osset.
10:23:49 You guys familiar with it and it's it's a legacy trust land transfer. Proposal.
10:23:55 It's been kind of in the works for. 30 years maybe. And when we did the Trustland Transfer Revitalization process a couple of years ago.
10:24:05 I was on that work group for DNR and you know, it came south of that came up again.
10:24:11 And the maca tribe did express interest in that site and i just don't know what the status of that site is do you guys know So I don't know the file outcome, I think our division
is still working through that.
10:24:28 Both in my car and the boy you tribes have expressed interest in it. And so obviously we're looking for a way to.
10:24:37 Manage that land. That. You know, really is in line with our travel partners. So I don't know the solution today, but I do know it's a active topic right now.
10:24:56 So it could come back up through the Trustland transfer list in the future maybe. Correct. That was.
10:24:57 What we are trying to do but we didn't have time to do travel consultation. We're running that process in a compressed way.
10:25:03 So. I just didn't want to lose track of that site. So just curious. Yes, it's a site that's valuable to multiple stakeholders and tribes. Yeah.
10:25:19 And the DNR. Trying to find the right way to manage that site is. It's amazing. Some of these places are like half my life, more than half my life, you know.
10:25:32 But I know you guys have been around a long time too. Yeah, going back to the all of the steps that, have to occur.
10:25:36 Largely before a sale, right? You have to say all pretty much all happen before sale. I will say, you know, I learned that from Drew and, you know, it was really in learning
that that I think I felt motivated for us to be more strategic in.
10:25:55 Our, approach to conservation. So then, you know, there's more predictability. So you don't put on that work into a sale to then have us respond to our constituents by saying,
oh, you know, concerned about the sale.
10:26:09 So, we have heard it and adjusted accordingly. And I know it's still imperfect.
10:26:14 Process but I just want you to know that we did take, we do take that very seriously.
10:26:20 I appreciate that. I really do. Would feel bad if I didn't share this sentiment.
10:26:28 I tried to share this every time I'm talking to the pop up and when you, review and post September harvesting.
10:26:34 And people are expressing happy with all the stand is and how great that site is, etc. I would agree and I would say that's because of being our management, right?
10:26:47 Those sites exist because of how we manage our. Our forestland and so sometimes there is a perception.
10:26:56 That those lands exist. Despite this, our management. Or that there's.
10:27:05 A thought that we're not. Producing that type of site anymore and I can tell you that's just not the case.
10:27:13 We're not. Laughter, You know, we're not. Private clearance, right?
10:27:22 I mean, and That's really saying something because even private industry in Washington is following. Some of the most stringent poorest practice rules that we have in the United
States.
10:27:36 And then in our management with the CP is above and beyond that. And so, those lands do exist because of the great work that.
10:27:46 That Drew and all his staff and staff before him and the staff after him. People don't realize that.
10:27:57 We do, on all these. We have wildlife biologists on staff that are looking please. Or stream typing hundreds of streams on every sale.
10:28:09 It's, very quite complex. Even just something simple as, a lead tree strategy, it's overlooked, but the amount of time it takes.
10:28:19 To decide where and how We're on the landscape what we're protecting. By leaving those trees.
10:28:28 It takes a lot of work by our build. So. Appreciate appreciate the education that you guys bring us as well really like the classes that you guys brought to us really really
did and Yeah, I feel I learned a lot.
10:28:42 Kind of is there more and more leave tree theft? This is something that I keep hearing about and I'm wondering is there what is DNR do about that?
10:28:52 Unfortunately, yes, it does occur. Yes, I started seeing that. Probably 13 years ago and stand some of the first stands that were laid out with the ACP and had leaf trees.
10:29:05 And we had then the second stand, the brief product was growing up. You know, was 30, 40 feet tall and people were whooping up old roads and dropping sickle leaf trees, where
I was working and renewing those.
10:29:22 Obviously when we find a site like that, if it's active. We work with our law enforcement.
10:29:30 Cameras to do, and we have been successful in finding, how, that in certain cases.
10:29:41 But unfortunately it does occur. I think last time you're here, Drew, you're saying we spend an increase in dumping and I need to put up more gates and any status update on
mischief and
10:29:58 So we're, yeah, we see a lot of dumping. We're also starting to see or have been seeing.
10:30:05 Dumped on us. We just took out a Oh, I think we spend about $6,000 getting a class A off our property.
10:30:14 We have no idea how they wedged it in where they did. We had to actually disassemble it on site to get it out of there.
10:30:23 No toe company could get it out. And so it's still there. You know, it's as good as it's ever been.
10:30:30 The upside is we have a new officer starting or he started. So he's in.
10:30:36 20 eighth or something, I think you started. But he's in Olympia for a couple of weeks of training.
10:30:42 And then he's gotta come out here and get trained on the ground and you know right along for a couple of weeks.
10:30:50 By mid, he should be on his own and helping to patrol. And the nice, so that gives us 2 and a half or 2 in a quarter.
10:30:58 Cause we share one with, South Puget and Teresa. So that gives us the ability to.
10:31:06 Go out and have them work together. We won't send our officers out at night alone. So this gives them an opportunity to really vary their shift days, nights.
10:31:17 We, we always have somebody on weekends, but now they can mix it up. And get out at night when everybody knows where I'll quit at 5 o'clock and then so you can go out in the
evening but they'll be able to do that now and put emphasis on certain areas and So between with theft, dumping.
10:31:37 And the RV thing and and even just motor vehicles in general. And you can see that, you know, all over the counties too.
10:31:47 It's not unique in our land, but it's boats too. Don't forget the code.
10:31:56 You know, DNR does have a Derek Bethler movie program. I'm sorry.
10:32:05 Do you have, do you have any trouble with folks? Camping long term living, I've got good wreck staff and they're pretty good at monitoring that.
10:32:16 Berry campground on the way to Forks is you know it's in your lives right on so that one's a typical one that gets hit.
10:32:24 Lyer River, we now have If not, year round at 9 months. Post there.
10:32:33 I mean, so he keeps things under control there. It used to be. A pretty wild campground.
10:32:36 You know, through the winter when you shoot people around. Discover pass. So you need all the campgrounds or any bar facilities. So you need, you know, all the campgrounds or
any bar facilities room.
10:32:56 So, but we do, you know, And we've seen a huge increase. Just in use and this is a result of COVID.
10:33:01 Everybody wants to, you know, including me and just, yeah. So we've seen a huge increase almost year round in the campgrounds.
10:33:12 If you're not out there early, more mid morning, midweek like Wednesday to get a campsite, you're not getting one in the summer time.
10:33:23 And then and because of that and just the new fad of over landing. Disperse camping you know they're on every landing every new point but they've got manners When COVID first,
yeah, we closed down for a while and we opened back up.
10:33:39 And the overlander crowd started coming in. And I asked or dispersed. And I asked the staff, you know, how's it going?
10:33:48 And the response was the Patagonia Pro is gone. Okay, what's that mean? Said it's a mess.
10:34:00 That they'd come out the camp to throw everything on the ground and they leave. And after about a year.
10:34:02 I asked him again, is it still that way? How's it going? He said, no, everybody's back to behaving and keeping things clean and you know they're not cutting things.
10:34:10 I know they bring their own firewood or they use propane for you know fireplaces and the manners are back and I see that quite a bit and Just going out fishing during the week
in the West and you see that the campgrounds are still fairly full.
10:34:28 Which again is on the highway is always got it's at least a half capacity all winter long.
10:34:37 So a lot of people are taking advantage and getting outside. So a lot of people are taking advantage of getting outside.
10:34:42 So a lot of people are taking advantage of getting outside and they're not letting the weather bother. So a lot of people are taking advantage of getting outside and they're
not letting the weather.
10:34:47 So a lot of people are taking advantage of getting outside and they're not letting the weather bother them. So that's great.
10:34:49 As long as, you know, and I mean, I've been able through the backlog I hired 2 more permanent people.
10:34:50 And then we had enough money that I could keep 2 seasonals. You know, there's seasonal firefighters and I can put them in timber sales and in wreck and keep them employed till
the next fire season comes on.
10:35:03 So I got 2 of them in recreation and sold. I've got more, I probably doubled my staff.
10:35:10 But the workload is also easily double, but. It's good though, we're seeing a lot of use a lot of people, the trail heads are usually full.
10:35:21 Stripe the peak, you know, we got. It was Washington trails volunteered and built several miles a new trail around the mountain and that's heavily utilized now.
10:35:33 And So Jeff, you know, when they're coming closer to the mics, are you afraid to bring your session in one of the DNR request items were the pilot project for recreational shooting.
10:35:48 And we didn't think it would make it through, but it did. It made it through and got in the final and one of the sites is the need for Martian.
10:35:55 The other one says in Jefferson, or, yeah, so, so then the question was, well, since the did get through, how will you select where that pilot project should be for the recreational
area.
10:36:11 So we're thinking that, 80. Just out of town. I like you, I just didn't believe it would come through.
10:36:32 And although recreation support in. You know, yeah, it's fantastic. I mean that's how we got the backlog maintenance funding through the groups that you just nonprofits are
really stepping up and helping.
10:36:50 Yeah, we thought they tied to CCA funding like we did. Trust land transfer and, community forest, they type that all the CCA.
10:36:59 So all the people vote November, but they didn't. I just started looking to see what I can find.
10:37:08 I have a half hour at the end of the day last week and thought I'm going to see what I can find.
10:37:14 I have a half hour at the end of the day last week and thought I'm going to start building a project and start looking around because I have to have it in.
10:37:15 I mean, the ideal place is for. Before but because there's not nobody's gonna complain about it nobody has an issue I got lots of old bits out there I didn't need to rehab for
that.
10:37:27 But nobody's gonna use it. So it's gotta be up here on the north side. But I gotta have access.
10:37:33 I gotta have what people can get to it. So I'm looking at places that have, East, that'll let that happen or direct access from the highway or county mode.
10:37:45 So I just started looking and it's gonna be another couple of months before I actually I'm gonna I'll bring it into a couple of sites and then If you see, you know, start seeing
what's gonna happen and.
10:37:59 The recreation ADM, Andrew Martin. Is Jess, she's my equivalent in division.
10:38:06 She's just starting to look at that and kind of pull on everything together and getting laid out to us.
10:38:12 So yeah, I'm surprised it was they didn't do it in Mason County because they had all that.
10:38:17 Yeah, well, yeah, and they're gonna do it. That goes. Yeah. And they're gonna do that.
10:38:23 Go to Shelton with really one in there. But they did. They picked out any column. I was kind of surprised.
10:38:28 That they did but you know we moving from fork to support Angela and I am in a happy shooter and I started looking around for places to go and you can't find them.
10:38:40 Not, not anything that's safe that doesn't bother people. It's kinda hard to find those places and I don't wanna be in the crowd.
10:38:48 I found a few pits on forest service. Between Mount Zion and Mount And I thought, who's gonna, that's an hour, half drive from my house.
10:38:57 And I went up there to check them and there was 10 people that gave us backshots. They were camped for the day and they're coming over from Bremerton and Kitsat County. Yeah,
it's also nonstop.
10:39:11 Yeah, it's also nonstop. For the day and they're coming over from Brenterton and Kitsat County. Yeah, it's also nonstop.
10:39:16 Yeah, it's also non-stop. Like fishing out it's not bad but if you're on horseshoe lake or Targo Lake constant shooting, you know, TARGU is not as bad as it used to.
10:39:26 Oh, that seems like it too fire a little bit, but it's and a lot of it's kids that county coming over here because they've got a lot of areas shut down.
10:39:35 So. It's I mean I can kinda see why they want that route but it did surprise me when they picked our region.
10:39:42 Yeah, and Andrew, I talked to Andrew and she said that they hadn't defined the process yet.
10:39:50 But yeah, yeah. So I'm looking right now trying to narrow in some places and at the same time waiting for the you know, give us directions.
10:39:59 So close to your house. Yeah, this is a hot button issue and Jefferson. We would get a lot of visits.
10:40:12 So if we can stay in touch on that, would be good. I think we would get a lot of this, hot button issue in Jefferson. I guess we would get a lot of visits.
10:40:20 So if we can stay in touch on Yeah, yeah, that's what's management hearing. So it has a lot of.
10:40:24 Political baggage that might be easier in Less resistance. Cool, so more to come as soon as I get direction and kinda start narrowing in.
10:40:44 I'll let you know. Can I ask you one other random question? So, biotech for silver culture has been, allowed.
10:40:54 I'm just, you know, with the new substitute send it bill. I'm wondering if talking to any of the bidders on the property on the different Cuts if you've heard anything positive
basically what's your impression about this new development.
10:41:09 So we're talking well not us so much but, is talking about another plants in, And it's, it's near.
10:41:20 Herman's yard, right? They're trying to do it. Yeah.
10:41:23 So it would produce, I think it's supposed to produce fuel, but then. The residue is biotech.
10:41:30 Yeah. And so, And they, they were the one that was trying to get it done in Kell Falls.
10:41:38 She got all that egg land there to use it. So we're just You know, I've been to just one meeting with them.
10:41:45 And it was just kind of a kick off. Okay. The US Department of A was had a representative there.
10:41:51 And he's actually really excited about it. He thinks it's a good deal. They've got some funding to start with they're trying to get more funding.
10:42:00 But I think it's. You know, there's actually a lot of uses for that.
10:42:08 You know, once you start to hear what they can do with it. So I'm really hoping that's gonna succeed because At least for now I've got an endless supply.
10:42:17 The files on the land have an expiration data. A couple of years, then they can't really use them.
10:42:23 But for now I got piles everywhere. We just, we just don't have the money or the time.
10:42:28 To burn like we used to plus it's kind of a headache public wise. Yeah, that's the biggest complaint I get about logging on on the regular is the slash files.
10:42:40 And I heard, I mean, I think it was Brian Turner that told me that Becker where I was looking at getting a mobile kill.
10:42:45 I'm wondering about doing it on site and whether you've, in, engaged or heard from any of the really wants to do that, but the call, regulations.
10:42:52 Are such that that would have to, it's a $20,000 license. And every time you pick it up and move it to a new site, it's another considered another site and you gotta license
it again.
10:43:04 But with the new law, you could just dig a ditch and call it a flame cap kill. I mean, that like you don't need the technology now so you can do you don't have the same smoke
and I'm just curious like it seems like a real low cost appropriate technology to turn those slash piles into non smoky biotech files.
10:43:24 And that hasn't really caught on too much yet. Yeah, it's brand new. Yeah.
10:43:27 Yeah, this is all, you know, for for Joe and I, you know, a couple of foresters, right?
10:43:34 It's a lot of learning that we're doing. I can't say that the commissioner is.
10:43:37 Pretty interested in biotech and how Dean can support the process. And so. I'm sure there's more to come on.
10:43:45 On the users or supply, etc. Okay. Yeah, cool. It's it's a great new technology and it makes a lot of sense for us.
10:43:54 We've been We've worked with Hermans for years. And so their supply and co-janted at the port towns, the, the, the, orangelist, McKinley, know, You know, one, you know, one
month they need lots, the next month they don't.
10:44:11 So he's still continuing and we have contracts. But it's so hit and mess, it's hot.
10:44:18 It would have. If I don't get to put old, then we'll have good supply and steady supply.
10:44:25 So. But it's to me it's when when all the way around. Okay, thanks.
10:44:31 Would biotech produced And in our land or from DNR. Would be applied then to those same forest lands or would it be a product that would be in other markets.
10:44:45 As I read the bill, it could be either you could just be integrated into the land and just, you know.
10:44:49 Keep half for quarter to half the carbon there or you could you know if it was someone else going in they could take it and and sell for different application.
10:44:58 I've never seen it in the garden stores, but I've heard that you can buy big bags of it.
10:45:04 And you better bring a fat wallet together. It's expensive. Especially yeah, activated stuff.
10:45:09 Yeah. And it but it's supposedly lasts in soil long time. It's just like a long term little Yeah, I use it all the time.
10:45:19 Everyone come down and then make some biocharters. Never invites us. Alright, anything else?
10:45:41 Well, thank you so much for being here. Really great to meet you, Bill, and look forward to working with you for a long time to come.
10:45:48 Yeah, thank you. The time and look forward to seeing you again next quarter if not before. Beautiful day for a drive on the peninsula.
10:45:56 Yeah. I mean, I'm not complaining about the beautiful day, but driving east does have its problems in the morning.
10:46:13 Yeah, it's beautiful to the point of the invisibility.
10:46:27 Let's. So you can feel like you get a little bit rushed during your briefing. Oh, no, I covered it.
10:46:40 So Mark and I will do our only thing and then we want to train. Okay. That's okay.
10:46:54 You know nothing else this morning. I think Heidi was saying early lunch day. It'd be great.
10:46:59 Okay. Yes. Alright, I will go over my. Last week.
10:47:07 I'm just so glad it's over. It was a bear.
10:47:15 Let's see. Tuesday, just. Yeah, pretty much short term rentals all day all night.
10:47:25 That Brent and I had a great conversation. I just can't say enough good things about this consultant that Granicus works with.
10:47:32 You know, if at some point we decide to work with the consultant on this regulation, I hope we're able to work with them.
10:47:40 Bit process and all, but, the, the, the pleasure of talking with for a couple of hours a year or 2 ago, Jeffrey Goodman.
10:47:50 He's based out of New Orleans, but he's done these ordinances all over the country and he's just a wealth of information.
10:47:56 Every single thing we have considered he has you know, wealth of information. Every single thing we have considered, he has, you know, yes, a wealth of information.
10:48:06 Every single thing we have considered, he has, you know, and that the pros and cons and, so we, have to keep our conversation to an hour with them, but could have talked all
day.
10:48:10 Let's see. Really enjoyed the short term rental discussion. I'd say there are 20 or 25 people.
10:48:17 Keep charge. Yeah. I'd say there were 20 at the try area too. Nice. Good.
10:48:24 Yeah, I'm really glad that We reached, you know, that's as many people as I've seen in the public meeting in a while.
10:48:30 Yeah. So obviously an issue at 1 point I asked a question of like, you know, if you had to say the burning reason you came today.
10:48:40 I give them 3 options and this is certainly not, you know, scientific data, but it was interesting.
10:48:48 So the 3 options where is it's because you think of short term rentals as a valuable source of income and an expensive place to live.
10:48:58 So, people get a mortgage, keep their houses. Did you come because you're really concerned about impacts to neighborhoods?
10:49:03 And or did you come because you're concerned about housing availability for locals and the work force and definitely the 12 people said concerned about housing availability.
10:49:12 8 said concerns about, in fact, and 3 said, the structure metals are a valuable source of income.
10:49:18 So, not scientific, but I'm not surprising. See, so I do wanna go back and listen to.
10:49:29 The KPTZ. I'm curious how Brent synthesized all 3 if they were similar or sounds like they're similar or sounds like they're similar.
10:49:39 It's the Bob Dylan Shelter from the Storm, which is then used by Airbnb in many.
10:49:42 So. After the Tuesday night meeting had to drive to the counter for the state Board of Health meeting on Wednesday which was at the SW.
10:49:55 Travel. That we're actually at the casino and resorts, but. I will say it was fascinating hearing about their, what they call their wellness center.
10:50:08 So they have pretty extensive medical facilities and then also, one specifically for, addiction, similar to Healing Center, Jamestown model there's after, but, It is just incredible
the level of care that they give to folks in any of their clinics.
10:50:25 They. They offer childcare in all of their clinics. They, for example, if they give a referral to another office, they will.
10:50:35 They can coordinate it like schedule it right then and literally have somebody to walk you from one clinic to the other systems.
10:50:47 Yes, and they say that a lot of people like if they don't have somebody with them, they just won't go to the next thing.
10:50:51 And so they have a super high touch. Model that keeps people healthier and they're having really good outcomes from their, addiction, and they're having really good outcomes
from their, addiction, treatment center, addiction treatment center, you know, just meeting every single need, like, You know, the dental clinic is within the addiction center because
they know that there's
10:51:10 a huge stigma for people who have been using drugs with impacts to their teeth and, you know, it's just a million ways that people can go off the rails of treatment or even
a good health maintenance and they.
10:51:22 All about like Keeping people on track and doing it in in a like a community network. It's nobody's ever alone doing this work.
10:51:31 You have to save doctor for years and years and you know, they're talking about the importance of relationships and, tribal communities.
10:51:41 And so it's really inspiring to see it in action. So I felt very moved by.
10:51:48 By that. Let's see. Had a report out on our newborn screenings.
10:51:57 Interesting to see of the like, 84,000 babies born in the state last year. You know, 80, 80 or 90, we're born in Jefferson County.
10:52:08 And none of ours had any of the new board screening. We'll, they do at Berkeley.
10:52:15 Didn't have anything pop up. Oh, they say the screen. Just know. Pretty amazing that the state supports.
10:52:27 Testing every single kid for 32 conditions. These are all conditions that if detected early can be treated.
10:52:33 Wow, cool. Yeah, yeah, but 217215 of the 217 were within treatment.
10:52:41 Within 2 days of. Getting the, announcement. So that's great. Yeah, interesting. All kinds of things just out of curiosity. Thank you.
10:53:00 Strange like and it's fairly simple to supplement with that enzyme, but without it, you body can't build protein or, you know, process protein.
10:53:07 It's blood screening that there you're doing. Yeah. We're process protein. It's blood screening that there you're doing.
10:53:14 Yeah, one drop, 32 conditions and we'll be considering it 6 more in the next 2 years at the Board of Health.
10:53:18 They decide which ones and we have we have turned down certain screenings because they Even if they're really rare, we tend to do them.
10:53:24 We tend to approve them, but if they, if early detection and treatment doesn't really affect them, you know, if it's something that's gonna show up, not going to show up until
they're 5 and it will easily be caught in.
10:53:36 A certain circumstance and we won't say that every kid in the state should be tested for it. So it's the criteria that It's always a hard process though to take a vote on.
10:53:47 Cause you know there's a family somewhere that, you know, they didn't let you and I, it's been devastating.
10:53:53 Yeah, so we got our annual annual report on that. And then we are in the process of writing our state health report, which is.
10:54:03 Not a great name, but it's a report that the board gives to the governor every 2 years to inform the next biennium.
10:54:11 And it's prioritizing, public health issues for the governors coming 2 years.
10:54:19 So we had a panel there. I was proud to have Dr. Parker from Jefferson Healthcare.
10:54:26 So we had a panel there. I was proud to have Dr. Parker from Jefferson Healthcare.
10:54:27 The panel, talking literally maternal health care. That's great panel there. And then a number of Good.
10:54:40 Other business items, of of less import. So after long day of that, back to Port Townsend for starting the Pudates on Partnership Leadership Council meeting.
10:54:50 Dinner that night is funny to see colleagues that I'm used to seeing in other places in my hometown.
10:54:59 Nice. That dinner Wednesday night in town and then all day Thursday at port for our leadership council meeting.
10:55:08 You still had to drive to that. Yes, to get home. Yeah, although I did go home and get my bike.
10:55:17 Let's see. Had a, report out from the Maritime Washington National Heritage Area. That's it. Is that going? It's going well.
10:55:28 Yeah, they just finished. One of the things that they'll be service they'll be providing as a grant.
10:55:33 Program. So this year they'll put out $250,000. To mostly nonprofits, but tribes.
10:55:41 To do. You know, might be to put on events or to do interpretive work or, you know, they tend to be kind of less than $10,000 grants.
10:55:50 So it's not a huge amount, but to help, you know, small organizations who are interested in.
10:55:54 Let me go from the American center. I'm sure only in part, that is getting that new visitor center from that.
10:56:06 I'm sure only in part, but that is a. Okay. I'm sure only in part, but that is, a. I'm sure only in part, but that is, a breakthrough, a national park model, right?
10:56:10 Yeah, this visitor home. There's still still actually based out of Seattle out of the Washington trust for start preservation, but this is the maritime.
10:56:20 Washington House. Okay.
10:56:26 Let's see. That was an idea when I was still there, but.
10:56:34 Yeah, yeah, And, talked quite a bit about the, Yeah, status of that.
10:56:45 Federal government and much of so much funding for salmon recovery comes from defense. The 24 budget was largely very positive or 7 recovery if you did sound in general.
10:57:02 Most funding levels stayed about the same as they had been previously. The president apparently is released to proposed budget for school year 25.
10:57:11 And that is. Looking, promising, but of course it's, you know, Congress will have their way with it and, house the house is still.
10:57:22 Kind of threatening, pretty massive cuts. So we'll see how that plays out in the process.
10:57:31 Hello. Fairgrounds meeting that night was 3 14Â h days in a row. A bit much.
10:57:41 So figure out this meeting. Ordered a new mower. Very exciting. You know, first time in one time.
10:57:54 Really great to have enough income to be able to manage mowing there more efficiently. It's been.
10:58:01 Together small mower with duct tape. I went to the ocean play there on Sunday. Yeah. I went to the ocean play there on Sunday. It was great. Yeah.
10:58:12 It's nice that the fairgrounds. I went to the ocean play there on Sunday. It was great.
10:58:17 Yeah, it's nice that the fairgrounds donated space, right? Yeah, that was great. I love that.
10:58:20 It's, you know, the community spirit was losing out of the fairground. Yeah, yeah.
10:58:23 I went on Thursday night after the meeting. Yeah, yeah, very sweet. Play. Credible to see these 5 year olds.
10:58:37 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, very sweet. Credible to see this 5 year olds learning. And then Friday, spent most of the day working on our, earmark requests.
10:59:01 So both of those are coming along really well. In fact, I think our mail road one which Kudos to Steve King, City of Pret and he did almost all of the work, even though our
name is on it.
10:59:11 So great team effort there, but Steve really did the heavy lifting and that one. Kilmer's portal is closing today at noon and that one, Kilmer's portal is closing today at noon
and I just get a text from.
10:59:21 His staff are saying, oh, the deadline, extension is going to be announced shortly. It's done.
10:59:29 It had to be done. So, that one is going in looks great. 1.8 million.
10:59:38 And that's in addition to watchdots 1 million dollars. For that project and then. The only cat project is, also going really well, met with, Kathy and Peggy and they, they have
a contractor from Opera.
11:00:02 Yeah, he's great. So, and it's funny because Kathy and I started working with Ops of, and I started working with Ops of Vl and Farmworker Housing like.
11:00:09 Cause Kathy and I started working with Ops of R and, Housing like 15 years ago together. A different project. So it's fun.
11:00:11 We're finally like. Nice. You gonna be able to do something together. So Charlie and I are just running with it and, you know, with a lot of transition happening.
11:00:19 I think it's good timing that they have a contractor and Jefferson County to help going to back them up.
11:00:23 So. I think we have a pretty good shot at that one. There's.
11:00:29 The we're gonna apply for probably more like 2.5 million because federal. Project, you're putting federal money into it is getting increased costs, the buy America, provision
alone will.
11:00:43 Probably be a significant increase. We learned this with the child care center. There's some lessons learned there which is helpful.
11:00:49 But we have a good shot at getting it funded. And we have, meeting tomorrow with.
11:01:04 Staff from all 3 congressional offices. First half hour with the Mill Road project team, second half, of that hour with, only Cap team to let them know about the 2 projects.
11:01:18 So yeah, that's it. Okay, together, really well so far. Yeah. What's the timeline for decisions on that?
11:01:29 So. You know, due dates are in the next couple of weeks. It's funny.
11:01:38 Murray hasn't even opened hers. Kilmers is closing, where he hasn't opened hers.
11:01:42 So. We're hoping to get them in by April first because our lobbyists in DC is done, 20 ninth.
11:01:50 So we want her help in getting them in. And. Then each office has their own selection process and it's a little bit different.
11:01:58 The house, so Kilmer can select 15 projects. To advance. It's different in the Senate, a little bit opaque.
11:02:08 They haven't the House and Senate haven't decided how much they're going to allocate from each of the committee budgets.
11:02:16 So I think there's a ton of uncertainty. So it's some point this summer, early summer, they should choose the projects that they want to get funded and you know in functional
Congress would be making less decisions.
11:02:31 Before the end of the fiscal year on September thirtieth. Okay, that hasn't happened in a long time.
11:02:37 So, you know, the, so it's fluid timeline. Yeah, basically you're 24, just get funded a couple of weeks ago.
11:02:45 We're playing for 25. Right. So, when it, yeah, that decision will get made, but still question of whether it gets appropriated in the budget and then if they indeed pass a
budget to.
11:02:56 Keep the government open. It's a lot of steps that have to happen. Gotcha. So, Is applying for another.
11:03:06 A grants that, you know, in case the timing doesn't work out. There's another potential funding source too.
11:03:14 There's more? That I think that was oh, County Cornation meeting on Friday.
11:03:25 We, introduced the, climate goals, just to give people a heads up, but that was coming and Mark and I just need to get together and figure out how we want it.
11:03:38 Tackle that process. You had a draft resolution. Us to look at, which will be talking about here too to kind of formalize that work.
11:03:49 Tracy did seem, willing to help. I'd say interested and willing and of course has taken on a lot but she has done some climate planning in her previous role.
11:04:00 So. Curious about the, you know, the planning is one part, but it's like the implementation and the tracking.
11:04:08 Is that part of the planning process? I wouldn't say I wouldn't say because we're not really coming up with a plan like the climate action committee comes up with the plan right
but the to plan what we're gonna, for our goals.
11:04:23 Yeah. One support report to the board. So nothing. Secures progress like sunshine.
11:04:34 And it's tricky because you know a lot of departments feel like This is an extra ask, you know, we're trying to just keep up and you're asking us to do more and so I tried to
present to that Friday as we want your buy in creating fulls that you think are achievable and that you're interested in pursuing.
11:04:53 Not that it's coming from us, but that it's coming from you. So hopefully that would.
11:04:58 Generate that by end that more people will be motivated to report out on progress.
11:05:06 And, Barbara Ehrlichman presented the ordinance on ordinances, which we'll be talking about later today.
11:05:13 And yeah, just kind of a heads up for all the department heads. That was it for me. How much longer do we get Barbara?
11:05:23 I'm feeling nervous. The fifteenth of March. Yeah. Last week was the fifteenth of March.
11:05:36 Oh, that's exciting. Wow, I haven't heard. Okay, I feel nervous. She's been great to have on the team.
11:05:51 Have you listening, Barbara? You're not on the list. Phillip will tell you. I'm nervous about Philip.
11:05:54 We need to keep. Yeah. All right, Mark. Alright, well I'm gonna take considerably less time than you Kate.
11:06:02 Interesting that on your Facebook page you were encouraging people with an interest in local government to apply but what you just went through is probably scaring. 3 or 4 PM.
11:06:33 On Friday. Okay. Monday the eleventh with you of course, then 2 items on Tuesday at 12. My regular meeting with Brent.
11:06:48 Just a reminder that his employment contract, comes to an end on 31 March.
11:06:57 And he's gonna transition to court higher at that time. Is he still doing very important work for the county?
11:07:01 And then at 2 o'clock, the A team was actually the public sector cabinet meeting where Cindy Brooks gave her.
11:07:10 So my annual report to that. For the public sector cabinet.
11:07:16 Then on Wednesday, thirteenth, my weekly with Josh, then in the afternoon, North Olympic Peninsula City Manager County Administrator catch up.
11:07:27 On the fourteenth.
11:07:31 At a meeting with Carolyn and Punsucker to talk about the ordinance for adopting.
11:07:42 Out to lunch, it was sort of an appreciation lunch for all of its great work. And then met with Mallory and, on 4 screen.
11:07:51 And then I mentioned that we're looking at software programs for budget presentation and So we had our hour long.
11:08:00 Demonstration with a company called Gravity. With Spacey Preda and Judy Shepherd.
11:08:08 So. These products are very impressive. I'm very excited about potential here and at some point will have a presentation.
11:08:17 To you 3 so that you can see what we're talking about.
11:08:21 And then a gender review didn't really happen. We emailed that, and she said, fine.
11:08:32 And then on the fifteenth, Kate already mentioned coordination meeting and then in the afternoon. Philippines sucker and And, Sir, and, and Apple Martine, we all meant to talk
about signage.
11:08:48 Hmm. Because I, I think we have an issue with some signage that some people find.
11:08:55 Offensive. And so we're talking about some First Amendment issues here and so Phil, I think is gonna try to develop a policy that for instance the needle on this topic.
11:09:10 County signage? County workplace. And, yeah, it's pretty, dicey topic.
11:09:23 We're gonna take a run at solving it. And that that was my Should you a quick look ahead.
11:09:30 Sure.
11:09:36 Let's see. Today I am a few of course and then I have the Northwood Canal Chamber of Commerce.
11:09:45 I'm still debating it. Do you think we're gonna be done in time? I gotta like take, I'm borrowing the L camera to get us online to see if that works for them.
11:09:53 So I gotta get down to, seen like by 4 15 to set up so I might, might. Oh, I was thinking, but you're not going to the class.
11:10:01 I'm not, you know, that the term ended so I don't have class. Spring break.
11:10:07 I just get to do my normal. So fine with having, trying to get out early today.
11:10:14 Yeah, I'm still, okay, well, if we can do that, then I'll, let's say with you guys for the afternoon too.
11:10:29 And then tomorrow. Maybe with someone out in for Ludlow in the morning and then, Quilstein, Brandon, and Power Teams coalition in the afternoon.
11:10:39 We're losing Holly Gum to the Port Townsend Empower Teams coalition. Yeah, sad to hear that but I guess it's you know Not in that loss, but feels like a loss for South County.
11:10:53 It's been great. On Wednesday, we do have the budget meeting, right? Yeah, just Wendy is helping to that now and I'll probably skip the team Jefferson to go to that.
11:11:04 With Team Jefferson, or we can be group. Then we have a meeting that, Laura GT has been, working with me on to talk about the Legion again with a lot of the advocates and still
looking for solutions.
11:11:18 Let's see, and then I don't believe that I'm doing any of the, certification of the election.
11:11:27 I think it showed up on all our schedules, but I had the team. The job creation committee of recompete on Thursday and I'll be with you guys for the Board of Health and we have
a regular only cat meeting Thursday evening.
11:11:39 And then on Friday. Behavioral health consortium meeting to talk about a new grant opportunity.
11:11:51 And then our weekly, check in for recompete that task force wide. I believe we're gonna be finalizing the selection of our job creation projects, the infrastructure projects.
11:12:02 Is the goal of that meeting? And I've got a law I want to write too. I was, been looking a lot at San Juan County.
11:12:11 I told you that, the, you know, the Sandine County's home fund. Have you guys heard about this?
11:12:15 There the only county in the state that. Has a home fund which is something that you could have.
11:12:25 The entire, county vote on. To take up to 1% of the value of re. So every house that sold or a property that sold.
11:12:36 Up to 1%. With some disbursement on the seller and the buyer and then it goes into.
11:12:43 A fund to be used for workforce housing. I just feel like Mason Street projects in Evans Street.
11:12:49 We have a lot of we have projects that you could say, yeah, that could be used for that.
11:12:53 But it's predicated on a previous RCW that says you have to take an advantage of putting refunds into conservation projects.
11:13:08 By January of 2,003. And since It's just I think if they're the only one that's on this home fund because that so if you just take out that one line that says you have to have
done this other thing because I mean we're not the only county that has an affordable housing crisis but that's I mean they you know they get 1.5 million dollars a year to put into
workforce housing projects and it just feels
11:13:39 like I mean, I don't know. That would be a lot just to make that one change, right?
11:13:47 Topics ready for WASAC by the middle of May. That's one we could bring forward for consideration. Pretty easy.
11:13:56 That's a technical fix. That's a technical fix. That's a technical fix. That's a technical fix. That's a technical fix.
11:14:04 That's a technical fix. The idea of the to change the date from 2,003 to some future date. We just remove the condition that you have to have.
11:14:08 I mean, we have conservation futures and other ways that we. I think decoupling conservation from that would be good.
11:14:21 No, it makes a lot of sense. Cause if County is in that situation. Features doesn't have to be introduced both at one, right?
11:14:30 Just take out one line from the RCW and it would just give every I mean you still have to take it to the vote of the people but it's still it's only getting folks that are buying
houses or something.
11:14:44 Getting ready for and that's it for my upcoming. I have a check in with Dwayne Emmons from DNR tomorrow about the legislative session outcome.
11:15:04 If that's, let's say, let me talk about that. And then we have our third, Jim, I'm drainage district.
11:15:10 Focus group meeting tomorrow evening. Budget committee Wednesday morning. Chemical empowered teams coalition Wednesday afternoon.
11:15:22 I mean, Good evening. And then on Thursday afternoon I have an overlapping conflict with the Timber County's caucus and the Board of Health meeting, but.
11:15:39 My plan will be just to attend as much timber counties as I can until I need to bump out for.
11:15:42 And I've already let Paul know that. Jaw. It's not the heaviest agenda court of health this month.
11:15:50 We'd wanna check in for him, but, okay. And then Friday afternoon, I'm gonna do my continue drive around with Brent Butler to look at potential middle housing parcels of land
and the phase one sewer boundary.
11:16:10 And It was a great exercise. We started last week and I said we gotta do more of this friend.
11:16:18 We need to bring a map that has the personal numbers on it. So. This time we're gonna do that.
11:16:22 More more detailed review, but I was like He's like, I didn't know there were so many opportunities.
11:16:27 I said you didn't ask me to drive around before. So yeah. Thanks for doing that. Yeah.
11:16:35 So that's mine this week coming week. See tomorrow I'll be working on. Earmarks most of the day.
11:16:49 I'm gonna association having this bylaws committee meetings, keep WASACH, full, committee.
11:16:58 We'll see. Yeah, yeah. Wednesday budget meeting with all of you. And your Mark's earmarks, earmarks.
11:17:14 But child care. Team meeting.
11:17:18 Wednesday then Thursday. Ermarks. The presidential primary peace certification meetings, And, with the gender review, per usual, Mark, sorry to say.
11:17:37 Friday I'll have, Wendy little, I'm sorry, Wendy Barton, a little on the radio to talk about the childcare project.
11:17:47 Meeting with the junior from injection healthcare. Monthly check in, and then certifying the presidential primary Friday afternoon.
11:17:59 That's it for me. How about you, Mark? So today with you, obviously, and then tomorrow, senior management, team meeting at 9.
11:18:12 And then, for situational awareness. I will listen in on that meeting, David, just for You know, of course, 18 meeting weekly.
11:18:24 IT was Wednesday budget committee. And then my weekly with Josh Peters. And then.
11:18:32 We have this thing called the, Dcampment enforcement committee, which It was just made aware of and we're gonna have quite a few people invited to this.
11:18:45 Has to do with folks camping on. County property. I don't know if you're aware.
11:18:50 I think a year ago or so we had a 10 pitch over here on the side of the courthouse and that stimulated a very quick policy adoption.
11:19:01 So based on what we've been hearing about the shelter closing and what we can anticipate happening, we just wanna have our ducks along that.
11:19:09 Okay. Would be. Possible to have someone present representing the fairgrounds, which is.
11:19:18 What is that? Too far removed. I mean, Yeah, I don't know how that lies.
11:19:34 County owned properties that's managed by someone else. I think at this meeting we're going to be making some pretty raw sausage.
11:19:43 And so I think Maybe subsequently we could involve them or we could share the results of the conversation with them. Okay, keep me in that loop. Sure.
11:19:57 And if you could just keep that in mind that that's a. You know, something we wanna be mindful of now.
11:20:05 Alright, on Thursday. Got in touch with that. To black.
11:20:15 He took us hiring Brian Chicer pretty well. I don't know. You've heard. No, I didn't hear that.
11:20:21 But the fire marshal is, that's, yeah, I think he was going to retire anyway.
11:20:27 So I don't think they were gonna retire anyways, so I don't think they were gonna. Well, that's it.
11:20:36 He was retiring and the new stable to work for us. That's great. We're thrilled about that.
11:20:37 Kate, I don't know if you don't have time for a general view on Thursday, but it's on the schedule and we'll try to make it happen.
11:20:46 We'll, we'll figure it out. Yeah. And then on Friday morning. Coordination meeting with, you know, Josh Peters. That's it.
11:20:58 Trying trying to arrange negotiations with central services but We're having trouble nailing that down, but we will begin negotiations with the 3 sheriff units.
11:21:10 That's it.
11:21:13 Alright, should we take a look at the, leverage of security. I mean, we had sent the same letters essentially last year and they didn't get it.
11:21:29 But yeah, I heard from the director down there, and you know they're Pretty cut in dried.
11:21:44 Excuse me. Again, it's congressional appropriation applications. So. Just to work on their grid resiliency project, I think it's.
11:21:53 Sign and engineering of a middle Myers middle-mile substation at Dreston Creek and Lilywap You know, it's It goes up to up to, so they do support Jefferson County.
11:22:06 It seems pretty. Yeah kind of a no brainer as long as we're not worried about supporting too many requests and but I would I don't think we need to take public comment on this
we had the 2 identical letters up there.
11:22:20 For. The only. I guess edit.
11:22:27 I might suggest is it doesn't really talk about just how rural. The residents are that this would serve the Jefferson County residents.
11:22:38 That's our most. But I guess can't say that. Residents. I don't know if it really matters.
11:22:47 I mean, apparently there's many fewer outages and EAST Jefferson County then in West Eperson County, not's presently anybody.
11:22:58 Cowan County. The rab that goes up. The west side of the pencil apparently is much more prone to disruption.
11:23:06 Yeah. It feels like one on one is pretty, our setting one on one is pretty darn vulnerable too.
11:23:16 I mean, we remember, you know, I still remember my phone conversation with, I'm already down in Brandon when, you know, 80 year old Pretty critical infrastructure.
11:23:29 I'm not, you know, this is going to be one of many letters. I'm not sure if this is going to be one of as many letters.
11:23:36 Add in that detail is worth it, but I'm happy to do it. I mean, it, it is a important nuance for sure. But I'm happy to do it.
11:23:46 I mean, it is it is a important nuance for sure. I'm happy to do it. I mean, it is it is a important nuance for sure.
11:23:51 Well, they always think if they refine it over the break if you want or we could we could take a moment to to look through it right now.
11:23:55 I can see just maybe having a even an opening sentence or something that just catch the eye of like, you know, these are.
11:24:02 This is a part of East Jefferson County. The word doc here.
11:24:09 Make it stand that a little bit more. How are you guys to finish this?
11:24:20 And again, these neither of these are for Kilmers. So you don't even have to, this is not for today, right?
11:24:31 We've got, yeah, last week's. Yeah, we can't realize that first.
11:24:32 Do you want to work on it at lunch? We can work it out lunch and then bring put a little nuance and maybe even that particular story.
11:24:41 Okay, so they actually read it. That emotion. Yeah. So it's like, what's going to stand out? Right.
11:24:56 I, I will do that over lunch and bring back a revised copy.
11:24:59 Alright, otherwise we ready to I recess finish. Great. Alright.
13:29:56 That it's finest. Yeah
13:30:09 Good afternoon. We are coming back into session after a nice long lunch. That. So this afternoon, just have a couple of things on our agenda and we're hoping to wrap up a little
bit early.
13:30:26 We're going to be discussing uniform roles for the adoption of ordinances resolutions and motions.
13:30:34 I'm gonna hand it over to you, Mark, or check the, background. Well, I think I'll turn it over to our chief civil deputy prosecuting attorney, Carolyn and I met with Philip
to discuss this and I think we all agree that this is part of our much.
13:30:52 As a county instituting. Procedures that make us more efficient, consistent and transparent. And so. If the board eventually adopts this, it will.
13:31:08 Everyone will know what to expect when. So this is an improved continuous improvement process. Looks like we have Barbara today instead of Phillips.
13:31:20 Welcome, Barbara.
13:31:19 Yeah, thank you. Philip is preparing for a hearing this afternoon. So he asked me to sort of pinch it here for him.
13:31:29 So I am happy to go through this line by line if you'd like, but, Otherwise, I can just say that it.
13:31:38 Is an ordinance that establishes basic requirements for ordinances, motions and resolutions. And it's only enforceable by the county administrator and the board.
13:31:51 So it's really just providing an internal, set of policies for us to follow.
13:31:59 When we're adopting ordinances and resolutions and motions. It looks like Philip turned on his sound.
13:32:09 Philip, are you wanting to participate?
13:32:11 I'm here. I'm you're doing great. I'm happy to participating if needed.
13:32:16 Okay, great. All right, so the idea is that this isn't really enforceable against us.
13:32:25 It's just a set of procedures that we're going to be using. So, you know, section.
13:32:34 4 D does talk about notice also, which is a A great thing to standardize in our procedures because, you know, number one, You know, that's the first call I get whenever something
has to go to the board is, okay, what has to be the notice and you know if we have the notice requirements set out in the code it'll help.
13:33:01 All staff to know exactly what they need to put into that notice and it's important because it There are legal requirements that if they're missed, then the notice could be
found to be invalid.
13:33:16 And then. Talks about approval by the prosecuting attorney. And as you know, this is a standard.
13:33:24 Provision that you know, all ordinances and resolutions are required for, to have approval as formed by our office.
13:33:33 And that is really, you know, I've heard it explained a number of ways. This is.
13:33:39 A phrase approval as to form is used all over the state. It basically I remember one person saying, well, it means it's not blatantly illegal.
13:33:50 Yeah. And let's hope it's not. But it's in a form sufficient to enforce the ordinance.
13:33:59 It's not a guarantee that it's perfect to enforce the ordinance. It's not a guarantee that it's perfect, but it it does attempt to look at.
13:34:06 Local state and federal law. In order to ensure that the ordinances we're passing are. Legally sound.
13:34:19 And. Let's see. And there's a rule requiring submission to the county administrator and we already have this rule.
13:34:28 This just sort of provides it in writing.
13:34:37 So, and then just the requirement to do a public meeting. For the ordinance or the resolution if a meetings required for the resolution.
13:34:48 And that's basically it. Happy to answer any questions or. Go into one particular. Part of it in further detail if you'd like.
13:35:03 Okay.
13:35:01 I can be the new girl again still. So I am. Newest. So when I read through this, I was like, I was surprised.
13:35:13 I'm like, don't we already have? An ordinance like this that you know the rules of the game because it seems like this is a lot of what I see happening every week or, you know,
when, issues arise.
13:35:26 So. Can I know more about like the What inspired this? And. And.
13:35:37 Okay, go ahead.
13:35:35 Well, I Yeah, I guess the first thing is when I first got here, I was surprised there wasn't something like this because I, you know, every jurisdiction I've worked in, there's
always been an ordinance like this in existence.
13:35:52 And I think what inspired it is that there's, there is a lot of chaos that happens behind the scenes because we don't have these rules because people don't know what they are.
13:36:03 And so our hope is that If we lay them out in ordinance form. We can get through these processes in a, in a more efficient way and.
13:36:15 Staff will know what to do. It won't be a, you know, a secret. And I've had elected officials say to me, I have no idea how to write an ordinance.
13:36:26 I don't know what it is. You know, so I think there's some fear around drafting ordnances and resolutions, even though a lot of.
13:36:36 A lot of folks in the county do it. And, you know, certainly we do it as well, but.
13:36:43 It's just good to have the rules laid out. So. So people can use them.
13:36:48 Yeah, no, it makes sense to me. I just. Was looking for a little more in the back story.
13:36:54 I'm like, I'm surprised we don't already have an ordinance on ordnances.
13:36:55 Okay.
13:36:58 A lot of this seems like our common practice. So I think it is, but it's good to codify that practice.
13:37:06 So, you know, I think it is, but it's good to codify that in practice. So I think it is, but it's good to codify the best practices that we've already established.
13:37:08 Yeah, I
13:37:09 One question I have, Barbara is, You make reference in the ordinance in a couple of places to when a hearing is required.
13:37:18 Right.
13:37:18 But does it does it include? I didn't go over it with So when, when a hearing is required, does it say anywhere specifically where a hearing is required or is that?
13:37:32 Too large for the scope of this document.
13:37:38 So, I mean, one thing you should know is whenever you adopt an ordinance of public hearings required. So That's under 36 32 1 20 sub 7 which is your basic county commissioner
powers and authorities.
13:37:55 And so
13:37:58 Anytime you adopt an ordinance, you need to do a public hearing. A resolution is not it's not specified you don't have to do a public hearing You may want to, like for example,
when we.
13:38:09 Okay.
13:38:13 We're looking at those, all those fee schedules last year. You had talked about perhaps it would be a good idea to hold a hearing on some of these fees that are a little more
controversial.
13:38:23 So. That's.
13:38:26 I'll just add one thing for resolute for some resolution. It's required. In an RCW or our Jepsen County code provision.
13:38:33 Right.
13:38:35 So. It's relatively rare, but sometimes it is required for resolution.
13:38:41 When you drop the budget, you adopt a resolution. Yeah, I know that is a question that has come up many times over the years and I don't know if it would be hard to hear.
13:38:56 Yeah, I know that is a question that has come up many times over the years and I don't know if it would be you know, it's easy with an ordinance.
13:38:59 We always hold a hearing, although I'm not sure it explicitly says that in the ordinance that we're discussing today.
13:39:19 Yeah.
13:39:08 Sort of might have to get more explicit about when a hearing is required. You said that adopting this or this may not require Okay.
13:39:19 Well, what I, I think what I also said was It would kind of be bad form if we're saying in the ordinance that we should have a public hearing and we're not having a public caring
for this ordinance.
13:39:31 Right.
13:39:33 So I think it's I think it is wise to have a public hearing get public comment on it.
13:39:39 We We talked about it in county coordination meeting. Barbara did a nice job presenting it there as well.
13:39:46 Oh, I think it's also wise to seek. Comments from the departments. We've already received some comments.
13:39:54 From DCD and that you know may suggest some changes but We want to get it out there so we could start talking about it and I think you know for all the reasons that that Barber
said.
13:40:10 Yeah, and between now and, approval of the public hearing notice on the 20 fifth and this changes at all, you'll be able to see it.
13:40:19 At the same time you approve the public care. Okay, we'll go back to my question though, which is can we be more explicit in it about when a hearing is required.
13:40:32 Yes, we could put it a section that. So specifically, I guess basically what we just said is that whatever you have in ordnance, you have to have a public hearing.
13:40:44 Okay.
13:40:44 And then. With resolutions, we could figure out which ones in the county code. When a resolution is, a public hearing.
13:40:57 And I don't know if, you know, MRC or something has a list of those citations for the state statutes.
13:41:06 I know they do for ordnances. I just don't know that they do for resolutions, but we could check with them on that too.
13:41:14 I get it would be nice to have a laundry list so it would just be easy to say okay that one's on the list we have to have a public hearing right so
13:41:24 I do know it's been a major source of confusion for department directors and yes, us too. But then it's, I mean, if that RCW changes.
13:41:35 Our list changes. Well, it could say, you know, and other, you know. Okay, I think there are some generalities and then, you know, it's not exclusive to the list, but, you know.
13:41:49 Reference to there there could be other. Okay.
13:41:51 We could. We could just say what's there now, including but not limited to or something like that and put the list.
13:41:56 Okay. Yeah, sounds good. Hello. Any other questions, comments?
13:42:11 Yeah.
13:42:09 This one just seems like 2 dimensional chess. Should be a relate. Great.
13:42:15 It's nice to get something simple when you deal with so many complex matters all the time, right?
13:42:20 Yeah.
13:42:20 So.
13:42:21 Right? I think it's one dimensional chest, but you know.
13:42:26 Oh.
13:42:24 Yeah. Okay.
13:42:24 That's checkers, I think. It's checkers.
13:42:31 Okay, well great work and we look forward to. What do we, didn't go through the next steps or should we talk about that?
13:42:47 Right.
13:42:42 So, health is gonna be reviewing this on Thursday. Yeah, support. And we have set this on the agenda plan for a consent agenda for the hearing notice.
13:42:58 It'll be publicized March 20 seventh and April third and the hearing April eighth at 11 am.
13:43:03 Okay.
13:43:04 And for the hearing note, we could just use this version and be okay because you can change it. As needed.
13:43:16 Okay.
13:43:12 So I think it's more important to get it up for a hearing. Then to get it perfect before we get it up, but we'll still try to.
13:43:20 You know, get input from the departments, more input from the departments this week.
13:43:26 Yeah, we can publish the agenda as late as Friday.
13:43:31 Right.
13:43:32 I'm just a little stuck on section 7. Yeah, items. D and. G, I'm trying to understand why we have 2 separate sections, both D and G, when it seems like.
13:43:50 They're subsets of each other's information.
13:43:56 The first one is notice rules.
13:43:56 So D is on public notice. Basically, giving you the requirements of what has to go into the public notice that we publish in the newspaper.
13:44:09 And then G is the actual hearing itself. Which we can. Of course, expand on, you know.
13:44:24 Okay. Okay.
13:44:20 Given the Kate's comments earlier. It might make it might seem like something different once we try to.
13:44:32 That's it.
13:44:31 Try to put in, you know. What is required to have a public hearing? So.
13:44:37 Yeah, that makes sense to me.
13:44:42 Alright.
13:44:46 Well, anything else? Thanks. Yeah. Sounds good.
13:44:54 It'll have all the requirements that are in the in the. Part D. Right Mark.
13:44:57 Hmm. Is this a trick? Is this your last like official big project with the county? Okay.
13:45:10 I was like, I was like, this is an interesting one.
13:45:06 No, I have several more. That you'll be seeing soon. Yeah. Yes.
13:45:16 Okay.
13:45:16 No, this is actually mostly done by Philip. I just sort of edited some of it, so.
13:45:23 Thanks you guys.
13:45:25 Yeah, thank you.
13:45:27 You're welcome. Thanks.
13:45:29 Bye. Nice.
13:45:36 Let me have 2 pm everything. Let's see, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, to, stuff that, and, and, and, mentioned.
13:45:48 Save a little bit of time.
13:45:57 I didn't make huge changes. She was add something involved at the beginning. I don't know, I'll show you what I did.
13:46:09 I took out one of the paragraphs that was long and less applicable. They talk about, so they're both the same.
13:46:18 They talk about Kind of the the issues that we were addressing in the third paragraph here. So I took out a paragraph following that and replaced it with this paragraph.
13:46:34 Okay.
13:46:50 Nice.
13:47:18 What do you think about moving that up near the top? Again, I think it adds to the currently one.
13:47:27 I mean, so that was the only thing. So I mean, they talk specifically in detail about that power outage, which was the inciting incident for this conversations.
13:47:34 But I understand you. I mean, I'd be open to something else. To make it a little more personal in the beginning.
13:47:42 That's okay. I just say it might get lost. Or not read by anyone, but. Yeah, you know, further down it is.
13:47:51 If everything else is the same leading up to that point. Well, I can, I mean, I could, I'm okay, you know, the board of commissioners heard.
13:48:00 Existential, I mean, we could put it right in the first paragraph.
13:48:07 You know, is the context kind of builds. You could say, you know, the, the VSC of Jackson County.
13:48:14 Has heard existential concern, you know, that paragraph and then.
13:48:21 And then maybe put the currently paragraph and then.
13:48:28 Trying to reorganize rejigger a little bit. Yeah, so I didn't feel very inspired.
13:48:33 So I'm open to reorganize. And move it up after the BOCC of Jefferson County Washington has heard.
13:48:54 You need a space though. Okay. And then.
13:48:59 Maybe you move the currently there's a 30 pounds that you know the specific situation. After that.
13:49:10 First paragraph. And then. We would like to express our support.
13:50:15 How's that Kate? Does that get it what you were? Yeah, thank you. Let's take one more read through.
13:50:24 That is, you know.
13:50:39 That's good.
13:50:44 Okay, and both letters are the same, so I'll just copy this into the other one, send it off to ADL if we, prove it but Wendy, okay.
13:50:54 Next week, she's at training. She left 1130.
13:51:01 Alright. I believe we had a motion on the table. Previously to me. That we send these 2, amended letters of support or Mason PD one to support their congressional appropriations
request.
13:51:18 Mason PD one to support their congressional appropriations request. I'll second. Any further discussion?
13:51:22 Should we open it up? No. Alright, thanks for doing this, Craig. All those in favor, please say, I.
13:51:34 Okay.
13:51:43 Alright, Check what do you think? We could do some longer looking further ahead, Calendar.
13:51:57 I know I have a number of things piling up the first few days of May. Great is it April first year out?
13:52:10 Yes. I can be here in the morning if there's critical stuff, but I'll be out of town kind of on vacation.
13:52:15 So, only as much as that. Oh, yeah. Only as much as that. Oh, yeah. They prefer Sape of Fools Day.
13:52:22 Yeah And you've got that. Carolyn. Yeah, April first.
13:52:32 Greg is out unless there's this business. That's on the morning to planner. And Wendy's in it right now, but.
13:52:41 Okay, that's fine. So are we saying?
13:52:46 What's are we asking for anything? Wasn't a small agenda or just maybe a no important, action to be taken that day or if it is, IN, IT, in the morning with great enjoyed. Okay.
Currently we have a 1 30 workshop regarding the.
13:53:03 Restriction model. And the only other thing is the help update and the proclamation for National Public Health.
13:53:10 So that's currently on the agenda. And I can follow up with any workshop and just watch it after the fact.
13:53:17 You're fine with those happening in your absence. Okay. First week of May. Couple things going on.
13:53:29 Okay. Let's see. The fourth graders, what are you talking about? The, sorry, I'm, maybe, sorry.
13:53:44 Yeah. So that's the fifth Monday. Oh, nice. Yeah.
13:53:50 That's exciting. Sorry, it's towards the end of that week. Few conflicts I have.
13:53:59 So I don't know if you've heard the, public health is called together a handful of folks from the county to try and do some.
13:54:09 Planning around climate issues just clarifying who's doing what and what are the priorities for grants and who's staffing them.
13:54:19 So that's both May second and third from 9 to noon. I have existing conflicts plus the.
13:54:28 Fourth graders are hoping to come back. So, the, fourth graders are hoping to come back. Plus the, fourth graders are hoping to come back. So I'm sorry.
13:54:35 I was didn't let her off. Possible election as well. Yes, there's definitely an election.
13:54:40 Yes, yeah. And one of my conflicts actually is certification.
13:54:50 Well, the April election.
13:54:55 So. Especially given that I am not going to be in this seat next year. I wonder if it makes more sense for all of you to be involved in that.
13:55:11 I wonder if it makes more sense for all of you to be involved in that climate summit instead of me.
13:55:12 Yeah, I'm flexible. I haven't oh 3 a council of governments meeting on the second for an hour.
13:55:21 And I don't have to attend the sales advisory board meeting. So I only have that currently that's a hard conflict on the second third.
13:55:31 Okay. Yeah, I mean, I could, I've got the PLVC board meeting, which is, you know, it's okay for me to miss one of those.
13:55:43 And I've got the PDC. So describe what it is again, Kate, sorry. It's a summit on climate.
13:55:54 But it's hosted by. Tcd and public health are co hosting it, but only for County.
13:56:02 Not community facing. This is internal, you know, who's doing what. How should that be organized?
13:56:10 You know, there's a lot of work going on with very little coordination. Right.
13:56:16 And this might be good with all of the things we're talking about this morning. The climate goals for the county.
13:56:24 Actually made a point of capturing all of that for inclusion. Okay. And so you've been our commissioner mostly focused on climate things.
13:56:33 Yeah. So, are you, are you trying to segue that? Got other conflicts as well, so this might be an opportunity to start to segue that.
13:56:44 Yeah, yeah. Long term planning with the county. Yeah, so this might be an opportunity to start to sway that. Yeah, yeah. Long term planning with the county.
13:57:06 Yeah, so I'm just curious if either of you think you want to kind of move in that role and are available and interested in that.
13:57:12 Some of it maybe could be divided up and it So I mean it might make sense. Okay, I could take the election, certification.
13:57:15 9 to noon on the second and the third.
13:57:29 And the fourth graders here on Friday? Yes. Still working on timing, but. Good morning, good day.
13:57:39 Okay, and we're just doing a repeat of what we did last year for ease. Didn't we call a special meeting for them?
13:57:49 Do you want it to be here too? It's nice to have another. Adults in the room.
13:58:02 That teacher said that was successful. At 10 o'clock on the second EDC on the second set from 9 to 11 time.
13:58:20 I would take that for you. I mean, maybe I can just. I don't know. I can we can as we get closer if there's important work, you know, EDC.
13:58:36 I'm I'm not I don't make a quorum or anything so I I could support here on the O 3 A.
13:58:38 Okay, That's 10. Let's put it in. Just 10 to 11. Yeah, I'm sure I could do that for you.
13:58:53 Let's say we have friends today.
13:58:57 Okay. Any other conflicts? Welcome in vacation.
13:59:09 Well, I mean, I can go through my week. Oh, sorry. I haven't looked forward to heavily.
13:59:17 We do have Brent here. Oh yeah
13:59:22 I mean, you know, for a long ongoing context, there's just. My big. Potential you need to take a little time but I don't know what it's gonna be.
13:59:35 Cause of the mamasita. So.
13:59:39 Can't really predict that though. Yeah.
13:59:46 Oh, gee, as things have shown up again, Yes.
13:59:54 It was an appointment for. 7 45 in the morning and squim. One Alright, welcome, right?
14:00:18 Then I get a briefing on the, of program. So let me get back to my agenda here.
14:00:23 And, and, implementation grants. So, hand it up to you. Thank you. Thank you, Chair Dean.
14:00:31 Members of board. I'm glad to be here today. To look at the ways, creative ways that we might be able to implement, some of the projects that were,
14:00:43 By the board at the end of the year. And I think these were fourth quarter, 2023 project.
14:00:52 When I say fourth quarter, 2020, 30. We were able to successfully move forward with.
14:01:01 What is our commercial property as clean energy and resiliency. Program and also stop. And so I wanted to, welcome, we do have, case cloth, moves the chair of the climate action
committee, he will be able to speak about.
14:01:24 We need the collaboration that is taking shape and we do have a brief presentation. I don't have to come before the board before we apply but what we always felt that's the
grant.
14:01:44 And I don't normally don't have to come before the board before we apply, but we always felt that it's good practice just to Good.
14:01:50 Sorry.
14:01:53 So, in this slide. We wanted to look at, well, what is this grant opportunity?
14:02:02 The who, what, And then, how the, the, could potentially be used to implement, 2 programs adopted by the board.
14:02:15 And then we'll close with the brief discussion.
14:02:20 So, so really important to understand of this grant is really only for cities and counties. And so, Jefferson County, could apply.
14:02:31 Now what? Now the priority of objectives and this comes from the actual web page created to develop the the grant and provide information to cities.
14:02:46 And parents that might be interested. It's primarily to advance energy strategy, equity and policy goals. And, extra that delivery of funds to local governments.
14:03:00 And it's important to note that it is for capacity biggest building for smaller cities and counties not eligible for direct.
14:03:12 And we are by most standards a fairly small county.
14:03:20 The grant is due, April first and, the Department of Commerce will review between those grants between the second and the, it's a competitive grant.
14:03:31 And then, the, the, oh, see, the Department of Commons will notify a successful applicants, April, 19.
14:03:41 With their earliest potential star. May 20 first and so and the projects must be completed. And in 18 months one important thing I didn't include here but it is included in
the agenda request is that There is no match required.
14:04:02 Makes sense.
14:04:05 So what we have here, and I wanted to. Invite case if you wanted chime in at any time the more than welcome to.
14:04:17 This was a sort of a collaborative project. We looked at, the climate and economic justice.
14:04:25 Reading tool collaboratively, the Climate Action Committee. Supported by a lower tucker in environmental public health.
14:04:32 And Sydney Jane serves as the vice chair. Right, and Judy Server, come and that person from the city.
14:04:43 Thank you. And so what we realized is that there are areas in our county that enable us to apply.
14:04:52 And one of the critical things is that you have to show more than one burdened community within the county.
14:05:00 And so what we're looking at now is a screening tool that they have established. That shows that a lot of the district 3, but not all of it is within, this area that would qualify.
14:05:17 Next slide.
14:05:19 I'm sorry, Brett, are you saying? Oh, you're still talking. Okay.
14:05:24 It's not just the West End. It's not just the West End. And then, where and also, 9, 8, 26 8 is, disadvantaged.
14:05:33 More than one burden and social economics was identified. And they identify those are 5 areas critically identified in that tool.
14:05:44 96 percentile. Expected population loss from, natural hazards. 68% off.
14:05:53 90 fifth percent time for average annual energy costs divided by household income. 90% off at heart disease. And then, finally, The percentiles is transportation barriers.
14:06:10 Cost and time. And so, so that was another area within the county that did, meet that.
14:06:19 Specific. Next slide. And so now in the agenda we talked about, what is commercial property and assess clean energy?
14:06:33 I think it's really important. One of the reasons we captured this barn is that it is on wanted our main thoroughfares that people see It is and it could have been a historic
function.
14:06:47 But. It's workmanship is unparalleled. It's what we produce today.
14:06:53 This is a type of structure that would qualify for the CPU. And so our goal and I think the board's goal in adopting this was to enable those property owners to have opportunities
to finance.
14:07:10 Repairs and, Next slide. And so, well, what is he paint? Just a quick refresher.
14:07:16 It's a. It's an acronym for commercial property. It says clean energy and reserve.
14:07:23 Is it required? No, it is a voluntary statewide program. And what are the standards? The standards are outlined in our RCW.
14:07:33 And on what are the types of projects, you know, listed, energy, water, electrification improvements, eliminate fossil fuels fuels.
14:07:44 Combustion, renewable energy, electric vehicle charging, which are all right in line with the climate action.
14:07:55 And then there are some other ones that are more related to resilience like, sesame, decisive hardening, fire detection, suppression.
14:08:06 Well, that one arguably might also fall within button change. And then flood readiness, well, and that one arguably could fall within climate change because of the increases
of precipitation.
14:08:17 And the sea level rise, analysis that, before the board. And then, stormwater management also could fall within.
14:08:26 And so, see pacer is uniquely a unique program that has such a large number.
14:08:36 Of connections. To the program, that is being advanced, the climate action to me.
14:08:45 And I want to pause here and, give, in case of opportunity to talk about some of the things that he would benefit this.
14:09:01 Good afternoon for the record. Page call from here, although I am the chair of the climate action committee.
14:09:08 I'm not speaking. On behalf of them because they have not vetted this particular application or this project.
14:09:16 But, obviously, and friend said, this really ties in with many of the climate action goals that we enlisted.
14:09:25 Years ago. And, so we've made that seat. Reach which hasn't been mentioned yet.
14:09:33 But then this new grant opportunity really sort of built tail together to really make this C page sort of.
14:09:42 Much more accessible to people than this community and we'll explain that link truck. Thank you. So, I'm gonna move on to the next slide.
14:09:56 And one of the areas that we also did look at, we haven't heard that is going to be appropriate if the stock plans that was approved if in fact C pacer could be used to engineer
some of the plans consistent with what a good audit would expect.
14:10:16 We're not sure. Right to, the grant provider, the Department of Commerce, and they're not going to respond to any questions until next week.
14:10:27 We won't know the answer, whether or not we could advance the stock plans. But clearly, it is an alignment with the So if we could piggyback that.
14:10:40 Would recommend that. And then next slide.
14:10:46 And so the grant opportunity really has. 3 specific areas of focus. And consultants develop energy efficiency and conservation plan on strategies.
14:11:00 Public education program to build public awareness, which is really what, the community of the, the CNC is doing already.
14:11:10 They're doing a lot of the public education. You might, if you wanted China on that, Sure.
14:11:20 Yeah, well, you folks are well aware of the, the goals that we've been.
14:11:26 Promoting the recent new calls in terms of, of mitigation and, forest, management.
14:11:35 And a lot of the public education is also happening through local 2020 So that again, although the C and C is really interested in flies your body.
14:11:45 We have some, very strong links with, local, 20. And collaborate quite a bit with them and.
14:11:54 Okay.
14:11:57 So we're hard to follow that. A lot of the community members don't know about the programs that we have or the requirements that we have.
14:12:06 The outrage for the short term. Lot of people don't know that we have a requirement for, or that we have programs that help with finances.
14:12:20 And so this is an opportunity to see to advance that and it's significant enough that we do have a historic asset that's listed on, the state of the Department of Archaeology
and the Startup Preservation List of buildings threatened.
14:12:38 And so this is an opportunity even for the city of Seattle. As we, the, the, the, it's within the city.
14:12:49 And so, and the city is supported of this. Yeah, city of port town.
14:13:03 And so, so what we're looking at is, identify, buildings, commercial properties that could benefit from.
14:13:14 This type of audit and if I recall correctly. The largest contribution to greenhouse gases is the transportation sector.
14:13:24 Followed by the station accepted buildings. And so, and I, it's buildings, believe in my last letter, report, that the report, it's about 44% of the contribution in greenhouse
gases.
14:13:38 So we would be in effect helping. Compost and goals that the DAC have set out to reduce the contribution of greenhouse gases from not only the transportation sector but for
building
14:13:58 That junction would wasn't getting any questions. So we have to specify which of those 3 areas we're applying.
14:14:10 First 2 of them were listed we felt that we could do those adequately without this particular grant.
14:14:18 The opportunity we have is basically to find a way to get some train auditors Who can actually audit the commercial buildings because that's the first step in terms of their
being able to apply for pace or some other, or reach, to basically, get some funding to actually do the improvements.
14:14:44 And we've talked to several different, energy auditors. Who have said the commercial building auditing is very different from residential.
14:14:54 You actually have different levels of training. It's a completely different certification process. And there are actually none in Jefferson County.
14:15:05 Of which we are aware. And, And again, the grants that we're looking at here for the total state, I believe was, I wanna say 2 million dollars.
14:15:19 And so our thought was perhaps for a community our size requesting a hundred $1,000 might make sense. 10% of that goes to administrative overhead and then the remainder could
be contracted out to some entity some group today that had had some preliminary conversations with Jenny Scarborough and the P and D.
14:16:02 And would be very open somehow partner. They have been looking at the past and hiring or getting someone to be able to do energy audits for them.
14:16:15 That has been put on the back burner. This point. And so how the partnership on the collaboration would work, we're not sure yet.
14:16:23 But there are some outside entities with whom people have contracted people like habitat for humanity and others.
14:16:31 That do have trained auditors that come in whether they're just for residential or commercial, Oh, we don't know.
14:16:43 We've also spoken with, Emma. Golden city and with their facilities manager i think his name is like a pod and so they were aware of our interest in this and they're standing
by to see if there is some way that it makes sense to collaborate.
14:17:04 But they would not be the main entity applying for the
14:17:12 Can you help me understand the Nexus with? In that number 3, see, it's right in, but, where do stop plans fit in with that?
14:17:24 So, with stock plans, one of the areas that we, have a need for.
14:17:31 If you can go back.
14:17:35 Is that, before that preliminary step of plan review. There is a requirement we've looked at.
14:17:44 The actual. Layouts. And we base the approval. On the But there's a question as to whether or not some of the plans were in engineering.
14:17:59 If they cannot, the prescriptive pathway. They will be. And so we saw to find out if there is a way.
14:18:09 That we could have. Plans that are audited. Engineering and audited to meet the higher standards. And pay for it through the fund because when we approach the board we only
receive funding for, the plan review, which was 8,000.
14:18:30 I think it was 8 or 10,000, some we ultimately need to. We did not include inspection.
14:18:38 What I have here is that, We shared with you what it would cost. If we covered the inspections.
14:18:45 And it would be for every if Each of those plans were done once. It was 7,000. And so the board did not, you were supposed to not approve funding for that.
14:18:57 So the applicants are still required to cover the inspections. But what we saw was that there seems to be some challenges that the architects or I should say the designers are
having some of the engineered plans.
14:19:16 And so we wanted to see if there was a way to shoulder that up if there if that is in fact a barrier.
14:19:19 And specifically for, the engineering. Be specifically for the energy efficiency or is there? The energy code.
14:19:35 If you might recall the fire provisions that were to be adopted in the new round of building codes.
14:19:42 Or sort of. Removed it was a legislation that there was a lot of concern. There was initially a lawsuit filed about what we call the wildland urban inner space.
14:19:57 And so where we are now is that the only difficulty that a lot of people building will have is the energy side.
14:20:04 And so that's what we were hoping. And they may say no, but I just wanted to share that.
14:20:10 I did ask the question. It's hard to say what their response is.
14:20:19 But this is a just a year long. You gotta spend it out in a year if we get the grand, right?
14:20:25 18 months? 18 months?
14:20:28 I mean, even for the commercial, like the, inspections, you would be kind of a CAC reaching out.
14:20:35 Hey, if you think you might possibly want to take advantage of the CAC reaching out. Hey, if you think you might possibly want to take advantage of the sea pace for loans then
let's get your energy audit in and get you past the first step.
14:20:45 Yeah, and I would point out that that does help because one of the things that is required is submission.
14:20:53 Signed by someone certified. That the proposed improvement. Is energy efficient compared to what was previously developed.
14:21:02 And so it would meet that need would feed right into that. So can I ask, I mean, I read in the agenda request.
14:21:12 That you are proposing or in the analysis. You were talking about. Conversations with Pearson walking counties and their struggles to secure capacity to promote the program.
14:21:26 And further than using the grant to retain an intern, wouldn't that be more? Back to the list of the 3 items.
14:21:35 Wouldn't that be more the second item? Education, public education. Yeah, public education. That's a good question.
14:21:48 And so when we discuss this, when I say we, when I say we, climate action committee in myself, they really felt that they have the wherewithal to do the public outreach.
14:21:56 Okay. Okay, so that wasn't clear in the agenda request and that's all we had coming in today.
14:22:05 Yeah, and I might have we have a few new members to the climate action committee. We're delighted to have, I think, 10 or 11 applicants to the climate action committee.
14:22:13 I've been delighted to have, I think, 10 or 11 applicants, you 3 sponsors.
14:22:13 And some of them are very interested specifically in the outreach. We're delighted to have, I think, 10 or 11 applicants, 3, and some of them are very interested specifically
in the outreach.
14:22:22 So, we're thinking of forming some kind of what's it called a sub committee or a working group and certainly in conjunction with local 2020 so we think we have the resources
and the skills to do the public education, but we don't have the resources and our skills or the money.
14:22:39 To get energy audience done. And And then said thank you because I originally thought we would apply for the public outreach too. Well, that's and that's what it said and our
materials for the meeting today.
14:22:53 So I just. Thank you. Do you think that?
14:22:57 Is this kind of an automatic? It's a competitive grant with other cities and counties throughout the state, right?
14:23:03 I guess I'm just concerned. The stock plans, you know, with the inspections at least, there's tangential connection.
14:23:10 I'm just wondering if we should just focus on one thing. I, I'm supportive of flying for the grant but I'm wondering if you think it's going to If the shotgun approach is going
to reduce our competitive advantage in in the applications.
14:23:24 Yeah, I might add that doing the energy audience themselves could be fairly expensive, just paying for company. All the energy auditors.
14:23:36 However, if I understand it. Throwing in a couple of stock plans. If that's the cost.
14:23:46 Yeah, there's $7,100 pretty small compared to the I mean if we had $90,000 assuming we apply for 100 K, we have $90,000 to throw in a couple of stop plans along the way.
14:23:58 Seems to me would be a small part of that overall. Well, I appreciate kind of the scanning on the situation.
14:24:09 I mean, I don't think you're asking for any action from us or anything unless we had a big problem with this but it seems like a reasonable course for me.
14:24:16 Are you looking for a direction? If we are successful, we'll be coming back to you for approval.
14:24:30 Of the agreement. Thanks. I'm happy to see this. desire for the CAC to engage with this work and.
14:24:44 I trust the many good folks who, you know, put their minds to this already. So.
14:24:51 So, and encourage moving forward. Sounds good. Okay, so are you down to one brace?
14:25:01 That's impossible. I know you are fast. That's so amazing. No, right.
14:25:23 So we were gonna continue looking for this week.
14:25:28 This week, did we do this week already? Oh, I was doing further ahead. Yeah, we did this week because I talked about my contact on Thursday.
14:25:44 I'll still have a conflict.
14:25:51 I mean, looking a little further ahead when I'm on vacation. There's an EDC meeting.
14:25:58 You know recompete meetings I wouldn't It's a big recompete meeting and Yeah, and really don't have many conflicts that first week.
14:26:07 Okay, if you do, I'm around the first second, third. Go on the fourth and the fifth.
14:26:15 Not put in my calendar.
14:26:20 Okay.
14:26:23 I don't see any conflicts. For a few weeks. Let's see.
14:26:30 I think I'm gonna skip Jeffcom next week. I have a chance to. Join a Jefferson search and rescue as they go do some helicopter training up a hurricane rid.
14:26:39 So join them for that. That's cool. I don't I don't think I'm qualified to get in the helicopter.
14:26:49 I have. I think I've just asked Kara for someone else to share this straight here in meeting though, so I think it'll be fine.
14:27:00 But if Anyone has interest to attend the straight. Meeting on April nineteenth, I cannot attend it because I have 3 conflicts.
14:27:09 Actually, you guys have a conflict too. It's the
14:27:14 County coordination, okay.
14:27:19 We have multiple complex on the nineteenth. Yeah, your TPO meeting, 10 to 12.
14:27:29 I.
14:27:33 I don't want the consortium board. 10 to 12.
14:27:41 I think what I asked Kara was if Lindsey from the city of Portangelist share that meeting and she was going to check.
14:27:53 I'm reflected. Hmm. One thing would be helpful. Maybe to talk about and we won't have the data in front of us necessarily, but.
14:28:09 Curious about our travel budget and and anticipated. Plans or travel and Getting a hard push to go to DC for Puget Sunday on the Hill and the partnership did not put in their
budget. Funding.
14:28:30 Actually, they do, don't they? Sometimes it's been, we've paid for me to go once, partially on that trip.
14:28:34 Well, if it helps, I'll skip, too. But You have to go to WASAC in November.
14:28:46 Oh yeah, in Florida. No. And. Spokan.
14:28:54 Oh, the current leaders come from right now. I usually go to that too. I thought I was thinking of Nico.
14:28:58 Sorry. Right, where is it this year? Close. No, no, WASACH, not NICO.
14:29:06 Actually, it'll be on the West side. It did always go back and forth. But I feel like, is it?
14:29:14 Really? Yeah, yeah. It works for funny, but it's cheaper to have conferences over on the side.
14:29:22 That it's cheaper to have conferences over on Lisa. And I used to do that as well, but it's cheaper to have conferences over on ESA and they used to do that as well.
14:29:26 But it's, it Gotcha. I'll refer. I always get a lot out of it.
14:29:34 So I would plan to go to WASAG. I would plan to go to WASA. Not the NICO.
14:29:36 Sorry. Any other? I know you're gonna have a complicated year. Occasional mileage when I remember turn it in but no I don't have any.
14:29:52 Unless I click in on legislative stuff but I don't have any crystal wall about that right now. Anyway, able to see where we're at.
14:29:55 Mark or Carolyn, do you have any idea where we are? It's around 11,000 and you share that budget with office staff.
14:30:07 Training is a separate line. We have money for that. I'm sending Wendy to professional development for the first time. Okay.
14:30:17 She's going in June and, yeah, It's going to be going, for her.
14:30:17 Fourth year. So. But that's not for training budget, so it is separate. In a way.
14:30:24 Those big ones. Okay, so we might be able to swing it in our budget. We got close last year.
14:30:38 Be my last, Okay. Okay. And it's, Be in May, it is a really high, high touch event.
14:31:04 I mean, it is where we meet with every member of the Washington delegation and the most impactful.
14:31:09 Trip that I do and the chair of the leadership patch is not able to go. So, desire for, I think it's good to have local government be represented in those conversation.
14:31:27 Sounds like we can swing it. We're plan on KPTZ to the NMA.
14:31:34 So we don't actually do that. Yeah, although that many thirds everything is that week. I'm supposed to do May third and that's I think that's right.
14:31:44 I'm supposed to do May third and that's I think that's right when the fourth graders are here. Oh yeah.
14:31:47 Oh no, sorry. That's fine. That's right when the fourth graders are here. Oh yeah. Oh no, I'm sorry.
14:31:51 That's fine. Oh, it's funny. Ask getting a friend, but, to talk about Sharjay Mentals.
14:31:58 Oh, okay. May third. Well, I can do it because I don't have to do the climate summits over at noon.
14:32:06 Right. Switch the tenth and the 5 10?
14:32:15 Great. So I'll take that one instead. Thank you.
14:32:21 There I go. Find somebody. I can't believe you scooped my story.
14:32:27 There might be more developments, Hmm, sure.
14:32:37 Thank you. And so if I do go to DC, oh shit, I'll be gone for a good chunk of time then.
14:32:51 Middle of May, cause it's. Thank you to Sunday at the hill and then immediately after the legislative steering committee retreat.
14:32:59 That week 5 10 maybe is not a good day for you.
14:33:15 Okay.
14:33:20 Carolyn, would you been put on the agenda planner that I might be gone May thirteenth?
14:33:24 I'm just thinking if we're doing any SNP or major stuff. And you might be traveling that day to I guess you don't have to be in already parade.
14:33:36 Oh, is that? 1818. I could be back.
14:33:42 My retreat at Alder Brook is done on the seventeenth. Yeah, we should start thinking about the 33.
14:33:46 Yeah, I think we should do like a theme or, you know, do something fun. Make it more engaging.
14:34:04 I'll be writing in my campaign regalia. Oh, right. Yeah. And I have the phone.
14:34:14 Do you want me to drive you in the prey for reelection? I'm like, okay.
14:34:24 Maybe I will dress as a B though. Is there a theme? Do we know the theme already? Not yet.
14:34:35 I don't know it. The county third theme is dinosaurs. Dinotastic.
14:34:41 Okay. Yeah, I don't know if the fair committee decides that locally or if, it comes from the state.
14:34:49 August. Yeah. Is that? It's a second or third weekend.
14:34:55 Toward a lavender, The seventeenth. That's sixteenth century. The last year high tide in Good 5.
14:35:11 No enchanted, Boris, like, no, that might be this. For that's full May sixteenth and 1920 24. That's well, May sixteenth and nineteenth, 2024. Right. Tides and good vibes.
14:35:28 Wow. Thank you. I'll be up to our knees or our ankles.
14:35:38 Hmm.
14:35:42 Hello.
14:35:48 Anything else?
14:35:57 No, I'm, I'm never say that. I always worry that there's something August ninth to the eleventh is the county fair.
14:36:06 Oh, thank you. It's, I know it's, there's good second or third weekend.
14:36:08 Second.
14:36:11 Can I show you this RCW? Did I wanna change? Love nothing more.
14:36:21 And.
14:36:27 82 46 75 question.
14:36:37 Where's the? It's B. 5. One half of 1%.
14:36:42 Hmm.
14:36:47 What excise that? Oh.
14:36:56 That's the. That's conservation futures. No, that's the land bank. I mean, for them, it's because this has to be a previous, like if you go to the, previous.
14:37:09 We get ours from property tax, but this is acquisition and maintenance of conservation areas with a reed.
14:37:16 So they have to implement this one by 2,003. Yeah. And, Exercise this. Yeah. I don't know that for sure.
14:37:28 I know they're the only county that exercises the following one probably because this but
14:37:37 I don't know why the I mean, it's probably one of those laws that was made for.
14:37:43 Kind of a specific thing like that initial broadband one you know that was you have to have a PV that is just the kit.
14:37:53 That totally makes sense. But it seems like this would be just like, and then, I mean, it's just any county that votes it in, right?
14:38:04 So it's not like, it's not like you can just, this would be something great for what Los Angeles would take.
14:38:10 Yeah, I mean, it is still potentially a hard time getting support. Cause it's a new tax.
14:38:17 A lot of commissioners who just oppose any. They probably have some place to live those, Right.
14:38:30 Yeah, and you know, and it's like. Even if it's the. You know, a local option, not a requirement.
14:38:46 You know, the percent cap. It's always been, you know, should legislative 30 decide to exercise this.
14:38:51 So We'll see, but happy to take it. Yeah. I got nothing else. It could be your swan phone.
14:39:09 Yeah. Oh yes. Although I'd be gone by the time it was actually hurt. So you know, make potentially 38 million dollars.
14:39:36 But I've been down there for
14:39:40 Trust land transfer. No, I went to Olympia, Peter Bales and lobby for press land transfer.
14:39:55 Yeah, when I, that was when I said, oh yeah, I'll do the timber careers caucus and then thank It's like judging gymnastics.
14:40:00 Okay. Mark, you didn't weigh in on the travel budget. Situation. Do you have any?
14:40:10 We've got like, 92. So. Good. And certainly if that appears to be inadequate, we can do a, Okay.
14:40:21 Let's have the different lines. So there's you can kind of bring it up a little, but not a whole lot.
14:40:27 Okay, there's so you can kind of bring it up a little, but not a whole lot.
14:40:30 Okay, there's no registration fees for this one luckily
14:40:33 I do know that you're going through the county mode. I mean, your, motor pool budget.
14:40:41 Oh, really? Pretty rapid. With the miles? Yeah. Well, I mean, it's funny because I don't always forget about it. Submit mine.
14:40:58 Sounds good. But it might hit our department more directly, right? Is that less? They're charging us.
14:41:13 Aren't they turning us a rental rate around the same? Yeah. So we're paying for capital replacement.
14:41:24 Oh, but is there a preferred? I mean, I've assumed it was better. Cost-wise to use the bolts.
14:41:36 But it sounds like we, it hits our budget then and from. Many jurisdictions say that if there's a county vehicle available, you're required to use it.
14:41:51 But if you take your own, it's for personal convenience. And that if you take your own, it's for personal convenience. Okay.
14:41:58 And some counties won't reimburse you and why this Okay. Let's say you needed to go to Olympia and following that you were.
14:42:03 Okay.
14:42:08 You'd have to be a case by case basis, but. I can get a per mile, right?
14:42:14 Compared to the IRS rate. Let you know what it is. I say keep these in the bowl.
14:42:27 Okay. Well, I've been glad Tracy's been using the bull too. Good, yeah.
14:42:38 I'm happy for it to get used.
14:42:39 Yes, I usually would have to drive down, drive back to my house. Yeah, that's a nice problem too.
14:42:53 Very privileged. I mean, I might wanna run and ride in the bowl and then run and get in the convertible, you know, I've been doing laps in the parade the last few years.
14:43:07 It's trouble you can do that.
14:43:24 Alright, anything else for the good of the order? No. Yeah, you can get out of here early.
14:43:30 Actually, go make a birthday cake. My birthday. Rennies on the 190, fun.
14:43:35 Yeah. A couple days before Greg. Happy birthday, Greg. Happy birthday, Greg. Are you doing anything special?
14:43:41 I'm going to an overcap meeting These things are really simple. Yeah, right. Don't know. I'm doing lots of good things.
14:43:53 I'm actually going to Niko case, this Saturday, when I'm doing it. No, I'm doing lots of good things.
14:43:55 I'm actually going to Nico case, this Saturday, when I'm down at Capitol Theatre, Olympia.
14:43:57 Niko We came up with the same time we did really contemporary. So. You know, has concerts.
14:44:08 Yeah. Dance savage. It's fun. Very small shows in college.
14:44:20 Yeah, super fun. Now we're just old and reminiscing. $250.
14:44:36 And anyone buy thing tickets? Nice. Okay. Yeah.
14:44:52 No, we can take, summer vacation. Elsewhere. Right, we are changed.
14:45:03 Thank you everyone.
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