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11:03:01 So, and then the jump playground every time I go to HTTP, I mean, I, as I mentioned a few minutes ago, I have a number of kids in my life and some of them live locally and some
of them very much like to go to the jump playground and that's really become a regional destination for families and kids and And then, project and working with the team out there from
meeting with residents of
11:03:24 the sewer boundary. Phase one sewer boundary and then now seeing the project as it unfolds each step of the way.
11:03:33 I mean, I just have had it really. Fantastic. Look in to some of the progress that public works has been undertaking over the last for years in my role here and I'm super grateful
for your leadership.
11:03:47 Monty and and Eric's too this 6 year transportation plan. I mean every time that comes up and We can click on the projects and see them.
11:03:55 And I was, I driving to port and I drove down Center Valley Road and saw that road improvement project unfolding there.
11:04:02 I mean, it's just. Super grateful for your leadership and that of the entire team. From the road screw to the parks crew to celebrate it's just I feel It's what makes me proud.
11:04:15 Yeah. I'll add a little bit. Love working with county engineer money rinders and the team.
11:04:22 The roads is what we're here about today and they do a great job, 400 miles for a tiny little county.
11:04:28 It's it's a lot to take care of. And we've had a couple proclamations today and talked about the importance of affirming our values, but this.
11:04:37 This good practice is a lot more than that, right? Because this is like without this, we don't get our motor vehicle, tag.
11:04:44 So it's like, it would impact our ability to do our job. If we didn't have it and I just, yeah, yeah, I'm also proud of the department for consistently.
11:04:53 I'm demonstrating good practices as recognized by the state and making sure that we can use those resources to take care of the the roads for Jefferson County.
11:05:02 So thanks Manni and why your team. But we do have a certificate. Can I take a picture?
11:05:09 I know it feels kind of like the name like this. Yeah. Are you on take a picture, panel?
11:05:17 You wanted to share and county administrator? Do we have the background? You're usually already in the back.
11:05:37 Let's hold you across. 1, 2, 3. It's a good photo. Alright, buddy.
11:06:02 Thank you, everyone, for, recognizing, The department. So for getting the certificates and annual things you mentioned and the requirement to get our motor vehicle field tax,
which is about 1.4 million dollars a year.
11:06:20 Got every county gets. These every year. There were 4 that have to do a few things to get their certificates.
11:06:33 Established this year so we appreciate, you know, working with the county road administration board on, on this and the things that go into it.
11:06:45 And as you mentioned, Eric Kuzma, the public works director, engineering services manager. Strong hand in many of the pieces that go into this also working with our brand new,
engineering technician.
11:07:02 Modern ferry puts together a lot of the information so that you know, days learning experience for, going through this.
11:07:11 But, Yeah, it's pretty important. 400 miles a row that's It wash dot has less than 100 miles in our cap, you know.
11:07:20 Accounts. So we're doing about 4 times as many roads as the state highway department is here and and they come in all flavors.
11:07:27 So, without this certificate of good practice, we also wouldn't be doing that project on center road because we wouldn't have been eligible for the.
11:07:36 Rural arterial program rap. Funding which comes from motor vehicle field tax. Rehabilitate the 4 miles of center road which was last paid older century ago.
11:07:50 Have one chip seal in between then and now and that's how Work? The. And they immediately start falling apart and then you bring them back within chip seal.
11:08:04 Then they go downhill and eventually you come back with. Fastball when you can get a grant to afford it that project is a hundred percent funded by rap, no county money going
into that.
11:08:18 So again, without that. About that. We wouldn't be doing that project. So again, thanks to the whole, roads team and public works and for your support of our roads program.
11:08:35 Yeah. Thank you. And for your leadership, I was holding up all the departments because I feel like all the programs you really juggle a lot at public works and juggling is a,
is a skill.
11:08:50 I did. I think I'm scheduled to be back here this afternoon with, to talk about. Looking forward to that conversation as a briefing.
11:09:01 But it is there are a lot of topics that can go from Solid ways to parks, good jump playground, yeah, so.
11:09:16 Lot to keep track of. It's fun. I think I've been the county engineer for about 20 years now and the public works director for about 10.
11:09:26 Kind of fun journey.
11:09:30 Keep up the good work. Everyone looks county. So when will what's the solution with the or at the jump playground?
11:09:39 Someone asked me that. Solutions. It's unfortunate, but the problem is the black. So, and those, they're made of a fiberglass.
11:09:52 They don't really have a way of dissipating. And once again, error, had a strong hand looking for solutions there.
11:10:00 Removing them and sending them back to Colorado where they came from would be really difficult and disruptive to the playground surface.
11:10:10 So. Our, we looked at different colors, which of course then they wouldn't really look like.
11:10:16 Orcas. And, I don't know. Believe it is. Which did bring the temperature down some, but right now the plan is to.
11:10:27 Install large shade tarps over a portion of the playground and over the new phase that successfully got the DAN TONG.
11:10:41 Last week for the phase 2 area. Many playgrounds in hotter climates have these large triangular sales over them.
11:10:49 I saw them in Portugal. You see them in areas where it gets much hotter than here.
11:10:54 And I think that'll have the added benefit of not only. In the orchest from getting too hot, but also making them.
11:11:01 Rest of the playground cooler and perhaps dryer during the rain. So all in all, it's kind of a 2 for or a 3 1st solution rather than just solving the black.
11:11:15 Okay, we're getting some additional benefits out of that and the counties put in some money and through county capital for that and the counties put in some money and through
county capital for that and then.
11:11:25 It'll be coordinated with this. Grant funded phase 2 projects so that all of these, tarp structures get, installed in a coordinated fashion Eric's been working a lot but In
fact, on that, you know, obviously they take some pretty.
11:11:44 Helpy foundations and polls. There's a lot of tension on those to keep them and they have to be put in the right spot in the playground so there's adequate clearance from the.
11:11:55 Play equipment and things like that. I think the way we have it laid out is that all the polls except for one will be outside the perimeter.
11:12:03 Of the playground and there'll be one. Inside the playground but it was added clearance from the equipment for it, which is that clearance from the equipment for it, which is
that clearance from the equipment for it, which is that clearance is specified in the design, playgrounds, So that area will have to remove the.
11:12:21 The turf surfacing and underlain that to install the foundation that looks into one spot. So kind of complicated, but again, it seems like.
11:12:31 The best overall solution. And.
11:12:37 As usual, at a strong end. Help make that happen. Okay, and then start stay up year round.
11:12:45 That's our plan. You know, eventually they'll have to be replaced. But the tarps themselves are not.
11:12:52 Cost prohibitive it's the installation of the foundations and and everything so we have to replace those.
11:13:02 7 10 years or something that's okay. But, yeah, I think it'll be better as some people in common and it can get fairly hot out there in summer.
11:13:16 Okay. The area where they're. Sitting to watch their kids.
11:13:21 I think we installed some umbrellas at the tables. But so she will be nice.
11:13:29 That's the solution. I'll find out. You have to talk to Eric to. And Matt, we'll probably, to get the schedule for that.
11:13:42 We've been waiting to hear on the Scandinavian grant. We just found out about that.
11:13:48 We talk a little more, we were kind of talking before we came back into session, but talk about getting that last week and what that means and Jefferson Universal Movement Playground
jump.
11:13:59 Volunteers led by a couple of their strongest, people including Sarah Grossman. You know, work with the county, Matt Tyler, and, applying for this, Dan Thompson Grant.
11:14:13 To finish phase 2. Which was cut out of the original project. Because of cost.
11:14:21 Considerations. The area has been prepared. I mean, there's a. Curve and everything but was just planted in grass and in it's the so the grass will be removed.
11:14:33 A slab will be bored with drainage. And, drainage system and then, play equipment will be installed on the.
11:14:43 The phone tiles. Essentially phone tiles there. This area the playground is design for even smaller kids, the youngest kids, I'm not sure they age range, but we're talking like.
11:14:58 3, 4, 5, 6 years old. So it's for that age group. And, of course, the will be installed, but it's a.
11:15:07 I don't know a lot about this. Source, but it's a hundred percent.
11:15:12 No match. That's over 500,000. It's through the state.
11:15:19 But further details, I'll have to let you know, but, the job volunteers did.
11:15:29 And the both of the work applying for that. And, we heard last week that we. That's great.
11:15:37 That's awesome. On that. So congratulations. Yeah.
11:15:44 Congrats. And thanks to Matt for all his work on that. And the quilting skate park too, which she sent an email I had mentioned earlier and they're you know, through the 1st
round, but actually 1st in the region for that grant and Matt did a lot to help them.
11:15:55 Coordinate that grant and refine the grant so you know appreciate parks and rack stepping up to help community groups you know it takes you know it's a mini mini-legged stool
to get these big infrastructure especially outdoor facilities built and, you know, Matt's a great, a great feature to support our community organization.
11:16:12 So. We did get one question that we all got. Not related to playgrounds but The Olympic Discovery Trail.
11:16:24 Asking when. When land acquisition might be again for the. And my understanding is we have all those and a land acquisition to Anderson Lank State Park is completed.
11:16:41 That was my understanding, but I wanted it set out loud. Soul and part time employee who does right of way work for us.
11:16:52 Yes, very good at her job is and going through the excruciating. Ride away certification process with the Washington Department of Transportation who is responsible for.
11:17:12 Modeling our federal transportation funds to us so. You know, the big part of that will be paid for by the state through the recreation conservation office, our CO, but the
match is coming from.
11:17:27 Service transportation block ramp from federal highways. So because of that federal involvement, then we have to have all kinds of.
11:17:36 Like I said, excruciating oversight of, yeah, our process, which in all, which, which, which includes, riding with certification, but the.
11:17:46 The right way has been acquired and then I think we're through the certification process now. The plan is to build that next summer.
11:17:56 5 million dollar project. So, yeah, thanks to Right here. And their predecessor code, we provided and sold the bulk of them right away for that, but also several private.
11:18:15 Property system landowners and the U. Who we traded property for to get. Also, for Great.
11:18:31 Well, I can respond to this. Okay. Test. We started right away acquisition.
11:18:43 4, 3, 4 years ago. But, Right. How's the route going from Anderson Lake State Park down to?
11:18:56 You know, other than the high level study that was done, 4 years ago with
11:19:07 Jefferson Trails coalition that identified some you know potential routing options not a lot of that works been done on that been since I mean it's you know full-time job to
get project project to add or something like.
11:19:27 We weren't. Through the process with the. State Department transportation on the Old Highway 9 section that we have.
11:19:36 So that's from. That's from like, 17, but yeah, the section, Probably the Most challenging.
11:20:02 It's the most challenging, you know, section. Remain. That, but it'll be exciting to get, So huge.
11:20:06 And our project will just get to the state part boundary. State parks is supposed to build a trail from that point actually through.
11:20:17 The park. They'll be probably a thick path, but it certainly won't be the 10 foot wide paid trail.
11:20:26 It's pretty exciting to see that. Done. It's gonna be a massive project too.
11:20:34 Find a pretty steep hill. 9. We got it all under 5%, 5% or less, which is the.
11:20:48 Switch backs go look like Seriously, but, yeah, it'd be pretty cool.
11:20:59 See it. Awesome. Thanks for the update, Monty. So what's the big grant?
11:21:10 The raise grant at all. Recently, wasn't it? When we spend what we do capital transportation projects.
11:21:26 You only have to have the board. Yeah, get her on the tip and then from the tip, put it on an annual construction program, which doesn't mean construction.
11:21:39 So that's what you saw in the agenda, but that's those raised grants are you know major federal deal with a lot of
11:21:50 Who's flying? Right, they're the agent, the oversight oversight, you can see for that.
11:22:01 This one. Yeah. So yeah, more to be done there for sure. I want to see this section built in.
11:22:13 That's really exciting. Big Bush right now. So, and you know, we're I'd say nearly completed with the design.
11:22:24 It's, you know, permitting this, for.
11:22:28 It's more complex than it. Sounds like again, I see. Should be building that next summer.
11:22:37 We hope to be building this summer. But Pretty good there and for a variety of reasons. Right, And we still have the staffing.
11:22:51 And we're doing. That project and center road right now we're doing another. Another federal funded project right now which is replacing $700,000 worth of any road signs out
there.
11:23:03 And And then we'll be. Of course, we're building the. But,
11:23:13 You know, and then we'll be rolling into our project to replace 2 fish barriers. Couple 1 million dollars on.
11:23:21 Okay. Layer Creek. Oh, maybe later in summer.
11:23:29 Quite frankly, we can't pay all our bills of all these projects for going at the same time, right?
11:23:32 Like the trail, you know, we don't have the cash flow for it We got a cash flow loan for the sewer project.
11:23:38 Thanks to Mark and Stacey's help. 6 month undertaking. To do just so we can cat, you know, saw these grants are reimbursing, right?
11:23:49 You don't have to pay, right? Contractor. Yeah, you gotta have it. So roads is.
11:23:54 Going to and would have already end up in that same situation if we didn't spread some of these projects out.
11:24:03 So cash and staffing. Or, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, you know.
11:24:10 We may end up having to get some kind of a cash flow loan for our roads program because we have a 5 million dollar bridge project coming up in.
11:24:19 Oh, along with the trail, so I'm trying to. Excuse me, you know. Run above those projects at the same time.
11:24:28 Challenging from Yeah.
11:24:32 Well, thanks for all the extra updates. Hopefully it makes your trip over here a little more work.
11:24:41 And stuff public works does so I'll try not to do that but see having. Have any questions?
11:24:48 As you do. Thanks for recognizing this. Thanks for that. Hey, so it's almost 1130 and that was the last.
11:25:11 For the morning. Do we wanna take a recess until You have anything you wanna add now or? Okay, so I will recess us until 1 30.
13:30:38 All that. New program is reform. So we'd like to report out on that. We thought we'd take a moment to review how the other 2, FEAR, revisions are also performing.
13:30:50 And then would see in the perch language as well. And then we'd also like to. Give you some feedback on our recent customer survey we did.
13:30:59 At the transfer station, which I think was a long way to. Showing maybe isn't performing.
13:31:12 So with that. Okay, Karen, did you have a presentation? It's attached to the, do you have it in a slide deck?
13:31:27 It's in a PDF file is all that we have. I'm glad. But do you have it as a PowerPoint anywhere or is it just it wasn't?
13:31:39 It's a power point there. But it. But the attachment to the agenda was a PDF.
13:31:44 It wasn't a PowerPoint. Can we get into your? He drives on. I can share the Okay.
13:32:00 19 or doing good. Just when it gets put into our packet, it's turned into a PDF with everything else.
13:32:09 So it's not necessarily optimum to.
13:32:13 Okay. You don't have it, Carol. I don't have access to my email here, but I did.
13:32:21 Part of the packet it's online everyone can see it but We're just trying to figure out the Okay.
13:32:34 Good. I'm doing it. Oh, okay, great. So and I should mention also we're going to we've been requested to share the same information with the city council this evening.
13:32:50 And so no need to, I know you folks are a lot more familiar with the program and city council.
13:32:57 No problem. So we increase the, fees both to reduce congestion that we've experienced at the transfer station.
13:33:06 On lines that typically come during the summer season. And also to cover costs. Budget here since.
13:33:18 So we do that through the minimum fee and per time.
13:33:24 And the minimum is used to control customer demand. The per time fees are revenue generated. So they're treated a bit differently than the half of the issue.
13:33:38 The reason we've been really focused on the, minimum fee. Is it right now only 39% of the eligible?
13:33:48 Housing units in these Jefferson County service area. Are apparently subscribe to per se service that places the an additional burden on transfer.
13:34:01 So, so, so, so, so, so, all those that are being service through, municipal solid ways?
13:34:09 Right. Unincorporated jobs. That seems actually pretty good. Did you track the change of that?
13:34:15 I mean, do you have any trend ideas about how that has changed? . For that right now. And we work with, WAS, connections.
13:34:26 I'm getting those numbers there. INNECTIONS. I'm getting those numbers there.
13:34:32 Most of the assessor's office and Identify how many, how many, this could potentially be service.
13:34:33 But we do know that, roughly, 60% of the service area. The waste connections manages the cloud and count was at about 60%.
13:34:41 It's a bit
13:34:46 So here's the big reason that was focused on. More people in the municipal part angels.
13:35:00 I mean it just seems like That's excluding, porting. One can county mandates curbside county wide.
13:35:12 Really?
13:35:20 So here's a good photograph on why we're focused on encouraging people to go to curbside service.
13:35:26 The newer compacter models, waste connections. It's running and service up to a thousand.
13:35:32 Residential customers in one trip. So that's a lot of cars that you don't see that we possibly wouldn't see the transfer.
13:35:44 She's, that because now there's greater pressures that you're gonna come back in. Right.
13:35:48 And when it arrives in our facility, those laws are pre compacted. So if you example on a Monday when we're not open to cell phone customers.
13:35:55 To step up, and you can load 4 trailers and about a total of a hundred tons. To staff on Tuesday when the element of the public takes 6 to load a hundred.
13:36:09 Interesting. When it gets the floor out of a compact and we simply push it into the container off the floor, we want to spend time.
13:36:19 Whereas we were taking the cell phone loads, we can spend up to half an hour in the, Yeah, you too, like, 26 times a week.
13:36:30 Right. Thank you, you mentioned the greenhouse gas. We don't, but, qualitatively, it seems like.
13:36:39 There's a lot of efficiency. There's a lot more efficiency. So, and we did, we worked at the time and action committee in 2022 identified.
13:36:50 Some, a usable metric for us and measuring greenhouse gas emissions. And we simply arrived at fuel gallons consumed by customer type and delivering.
13:37:01 As a really good proxy for greenhouse gas emissions. And so in 2022. The.
13:37:10 Total fuel, get the material to our facility room, 49%. waste, waste connections.
13:37:19 And 51% cell phone customers but in terms of tonnage 68%.
13:37:26 Of that, if you will burn, was brought from, you see a dollar versus 32%. From the cell phone.
13:37:34 So there's a lot of, right. And when we talk about lower in the carbon, for the salvage program, Yeah.
13:37:44 Consider they're only 2% of the total field consumed between the UTC all over the cell phone and the transfer station operation.
13:37:53 We're only burning 2% of that, so we're going to explore the total operation. Emissions, transportation, it's transportation and really that and that just leads you to encouraging.
A bus for your garbage.
13:38:11 Those trucks are already making the route. Yeah. So the more households they can serve, more efficient against.
13:38:21 They're gonna drive by there.
13:38:24 Well, they, they do a 3 mile round trip right now. Between the nearest can and the curb in my house.
13:38:32 It's 3 miles to get my can come back where they pass. So then those rates are governed by the curbside.
13:38:47 Not much. We are and we are absolutely so we're doing that through the minimum fee adjustment. And post everywhere we can pick up.
13:39:00 Do you encourage that? And, and you'll see what we're up against in the customers.
13:39:07 You know, you and I, we gotta work on stuff big road. It shouldn't be 2 miles, but between.
13:39:13 I mean, there's a bunch of us down at, at the bottom end that are getting the Okay, it's got a little gap in the middle.
13:39:20 Yeah, okay. Oh, sorry. So we adjusted the fee. What we were trying to do here, last time we adjusted it was 34.
13:39:34 So it's 9 years between adjustments there. Set it at the slightly less than the regional western Washington average.
13:39:40 Okay. Someone please.
13:39:48 So it had been since 2019 since we adjusted the per time fee we raised it 2 and a half percent.
13:39:57 And that fee is. 99. 26% while the revenue funds all of these programs for the trans frustration, both of those facilities have environmental settings to collect, usable, where
we charge, and then we have Sharp's collection at both of those facilities, the recycling program, which outside of our long haul and disposal contract.
13:40:28 This is the single largest cost area for a, about $620,000 this year. Of the Southwest Education Program, as you know, came back to public university.
13:40:39 Public health. 3 decades or so. We're now in that program with focus on. Food waste prevention, mostly in getting usable food to, running for household hazards with collection
events a year, they're riding between 25,000 $27,000 each.
13:41:01 And then we've got the legacy, groundwater monitoring program at, which is very close to.
13:41:09 Yeah, and improve for. For closing that program. Can I ask about the household hazardous waste?
13:41:17 I mean, that was just last year, I think, that we shut down the medium, medium risk, that has his way facility at the board in 22 and is that so.
13:41:25 Is that been a success? It seems like decentralizing that and taking away the fixed costs of having a site were advantageous last year, but those trends continue.
13:41:38 Numbers on by material type and tracking that against the last full year of this facility operations. Cool. Can I just kind of totally say that I've been completely frustrated
with those?
13:41:50 I've gotten stuck in. Lines of cars that end up being an out like hours long the lines.
13:42:00 So what we're realizing is that at 1st we thought that a workshop there, look like that's the case.
13:42:13 And that's the biggest. And, and we assumed it would be 4,000, transitioning, so we're working with the high school to stage the event there.
13:42:21 Yeah. Makes sense. And it's really, it's that through what it's critical for keeping customer satisfaction.
13:42:32 Dissatisfied with the inventor, but I wasn't here to set mine for an hour to wait because I had my sick mom in the car, you know, but it was just this moment where I was like,
oh.
13:42:41 I help make this decision, you know. So.
13:42:47 Being home about the size of the, so there's 3 tiers of. That service like we can get underneath the DES contract, what we use for that service.
13:43:01 And it's based on custom anticipated customer accounts. So The 1st threshold is up to 250 and then it goes 2 50 to 500.
13:43:10 So we're opting for the more expensive normalization fee for the 2 50 to 5. It's 4.
13:43:17 5. And if we have a large enough. Staging her, so we're definitely.
13:43:24 Transition. Meeting the new services again. Again, it's kind of a young program. You know, 5 events behind us, you know.
13:43:34 So. We're now Yeah, as it catches onto it, I'll just. Yeah, we will love it to be close.
13:43:42 I bet. I mean, I bet there will be more, hazardous material captured this way.
13:43:47 And of course you don't have to operate it every week, but you're gonna lose something.
13:43:51 Some service because it's not every single week. And when we were operating this facility, we had once measured or twice measured that we had about, we were gaining about 7,
7% participation rate.
13:44:07 That happens. Not so great, but we want to definitely increase that.
13:44:19 So, We're collecting a similar, amount of household hazards. We work with the 6 facility, but we're doing it in 4 events instead of.
13:44:34 4 weekends a month every month. So instead of being open. 50 days a year, we're open 4 days a year and we're getting about the same amount of material that's been out of the
environment so it's a lot more efficient for us.
13:44:54 Checklets along the road through the line or something. And we are doing it for reduced costs. But there is some, you get the customers who.
13:45:02 They want it tomorrow. Yeah, it's at the next event. But, we are gonna upsize those events so that the lines can be shorter.
13:45:13 The staff. And I should also mention that you'll see in front of me shortly. A little agreement with kids have counting their They broke it round and they anticipate starting
a new.
13:45:33 Moderate versus facility to set up their And so in advance of that, We were revising that in our local agreement whereby there won't be a need for A customer wants to use that
service and Kids to present a need for it.
13:45:49 You know, right now it's kind of a threshold. You have to describe why we can't wait for our next event, that language, we don't, we'll have that option.
13:46:01 About 35, 40Â min from down output accounts. It will pay for it. Will pay for oh, cause they would charge it.
13:46:10 A few. And then Jefferson County just added that same DES fund.
13:46:18 Next slide. And of course, the low income discount program.
13:46:30 It wasn't intentionally upside down. All upside down, isn't it? Yeah.
13:46:36 I wonder. So on the question of whether or not the minimum, Next slide. So between November of 2022 and April 23.
13:46:53 You're running up 39% of the total customers. You were the minimum with customers. I should mention.
13:47:00 Here for an apples down this comparison. Describing these festivals as less than or up to a hundred 20 pounds.
13:47:09 So we took that same data set, after the, in November, 23.
13:47:15 And we, that count by 31%. But isn't, by 8%. It's, it's, it's, you decrease that amount by 31%.
13:47:32 Oh, I'm sorry. No, 2 30. Yes, thank you. But, and you're still measuring, 120 to a hundred because when we did the fee adjustment.
13:47:41 We also double since we double the fee we double the. So for a real comparison, it will measure.
13:47:49 Do you have any sense of how many people are? 240 pounds. Over what we saw last year and didn't measure for that.
13:47:59 Okay. Yes. So is the per time fee working? And I'm sure it answers yes.
13:48:07 It is on the 1st quarter of this year, 5 20% margin. So nice to be working in the black again.
13:48:15 Yeah. So, and not. Again, these all these numbers are a little which, in chair, right?
13:48:26 We need to do is move through a busy season. And then we go back and follow with these numbers, at least 9 months, having gone through this. And how much was the loss last year?
Do you know?
13:48:42 The percentage? It was in the red though. It was in the red for 3 years.
13:48:47 Spending down in this account for 3 years trying to that the fee structures stable as possible. So the real success story is a long time just.
13:49:06 So you can see the participation rate is definitely, you know, it's taking all there, certainly.
13:49:13 Got some interaction with community. As a recently. Wish those numbers, but it, but it's definitely.
13:49:26 The word is out there. L, and also the flyers that we produce for that could be really useful in our response to that.
13:49:39 Right. Complain about that. The adjustment we've handed out that fly and suggest if they qualify.
13:49:49 Be happy. Yeah. It does. I'm sure it makes that conversation a little easier.
13:49:58 Well, that's awesome. I mean, look at the customer account between February and March. Thank you.
13:50:04 It's taking off for sure. Cool. So again, only 6 months of data, but if you see on the next slide, you still forecasted what the angle cost and this might be and actually cost
probably isn't the right descriptor therefore because the minimum fee is used as a revenue generator or to control the customer.
13:50:24 But we would anticipate the difference between. That discount in the normal, run about 30,000 a year.
13:50:30 And do you see that as a problem at all? I mean, the successful program that is, you know, bringing in a little bit less revenues.
13:50:38 So this is, as a big success. You know, this is one element. Of our triple bottom line, terms of social responsible.
13:50:50 So happy to. I've launched this program. I'm really glad that it's. That it's been successful.
13:50:57 It sounds like the city's cost. Sure, Hmm.
13:51:06 So we're at the midterms here so to speak and this is given staff's breed.
13:51:14 Both the low income discount and what the fees are doing for us. Certainly the minimum fee.
13:51:20 Cause it's a little bit of concern and it's not as effective. They're small web customers.
13:51:27 And so at the 4 month mark, when we're looking at the data, we. Decided.
13:51:35 Instead of wondering why it wasn't working so well, Next slide, please.
13:51:42 So we spent 6 days out there. Between March 12th and March 23rd and then spoke with 91 customers.
13:51:52 Not a huge sample size, but it was had it built for it's certainly added in terms of how much step and we can afford to land in the project.
13:52:01 Statistically significant, right? Over 30. Yeah. So on the left is the actual form that we needed.
13:52:10 Paper, pretty old school. If you could still get it. And so what we're actually finding out what the split was.
13:52:20 And our customers how many of that were minimum wage customers how many were residential business. Where the trip was generated from, what neighborhood they lived in.
13:52:28 Whether or not they knew about the and if there was interest in the. What their attitude was, and at one price point, in other words, wherever the minimum, see minimum fee need
to be set for them to make a different choice about coming small load Florida up for her service instead and then we gave them an opportunity to comment on whatever.
13:53:01 So the customer distribution was interesting. We knew we were getting a lot of port towns and customers, but we didn't know that they were gonna be the largest.
13:53:10 It's a bit of a surprise given that they have mandatory. Municipal, and, and, and then, and So, import hadlock.
13:53:31 Those are the big 3 there. You see in the upper left hand corner, they're split in the 9 customers total.
13:53:42 We were a bit surprised to see that high a customer count coming from. Account. It is we don't have the, control agreement with my own county we reported these numbers to their
and the customer comments clearly show us why they're here.
13:54:01 It's cheaper and we've got for a. So that's why we have people cell phone with their curbside.
13:54:14 LEVE. One of them reported that, The minimum fee was way too hot.
13:54:28 It was outrageously high. And then we need to be set at $100 before they stop ringing.
13:54:36 So there's a bit of cognitive dissonance there. And in the survey, yeah, and not just, accounts and customers.
13:54:48 I'm not sure what to do with that information in terms of policy crafting. Except that just keep monitoring listening.
13:54:55 Maybe double the minimum if they've got a you know roll around card supposed to be from a service that's supposed to be curbside.
13:55:07 Okay. So we're still running. Now I should say the caveat here. We were surveying the customers between the scale and the tipping floor as they were waiting for us to clear
the floor.
13:55:23 So the survey couldn't be any more thorough than it was because we had about 6 to 10Â min to any customer service.
13:55:31 And so we, Again, pretty good. Identify how much. It's gone. So when we, when we, when we figured it out, we figured it out 41% of the total customer from the 91 customers.
13:55:50 Yeah. That number is consistent with larger.
13:55:59 About what we expected is this split between business and residential. Lot of businesses are already, you know, have subscription service or even larger.
13:56:13 53% of the customers were aware of curbside service. So, question about advertising for, we need to do a lot better.
13:56:26 And so we'll be filling in whatever gaps are there. And so we'll be filling in whatever gaps are there with and advertise in that.
13:56:32 32% of the customers wouldn't. Would she? Per side services cost less than $30 a month.
13:56:43 But it to them that way that cost less than $30. That's based on like That's it.
13:56:51 What we consider like a mid-level service for, 60 gallon roll card plus 3 bins for recycling and 5 weekly schedules.
13:57:00 20 just shy of $29. So. So we set that as. Further question, give them a reference point.
13:57:10 32% of them said they that they've used that service. You, I mean, that seems like a a disconnect as well.
13:57:20 Do you know why? As they're paying, you know, $50 to dump off their garbage or whatever.
13:57:29 Okay. So, 34% of the customers said that the minimum wage is too high. That's good.
13:57:38 And then we were. Pretty direct. One of the, to be, we've, we've, we've, we, need, to, need, to, be
13:57:48 And that is the average. That we got from those responses. So a couple of bucks and one of the The customer promise that we'll see.
13:58:04 Echo that as well.
13:58:07 And we grouped them and there were 3 themes, if you will, in the comments that really share themselves this is the 1st of them you can see there the 3rd comment there on why
they're coming from.
13:58:26 I did appreciate the candor, the long customer. And, and the more, I don't, you know, figure out when curbside service happens.
13:58:35 But then really, and these are taking, from my customers. But the last one there I think is most indicative of why we're seeing a lot of.
13:58:49 You know, the, cows and residents coming in. We have a lot of retired people with dispose.
13:58:57 And so even though they're already paying for the service, they prefer the trip to the transfer station as an excuse to get out of.
13:59:05 So it's become. We don't have a bowling alley. We don't have a skating rink.
13:59:13 All we got is the transfer station. Push him the echo. They're they're looking for new drivers.
13:59:18 It's brain cleaning. You give you a good sense of satisfaction. Oh yeah. Interesting.
13:59:25 I love these large loads from a real spring. The, the G bad customers are jam up.
13:59:34 And they still are.
13:59:39 So on the, where a lot of people say it was just right. We had enough people say it's awful.
13:59:49 I'm awful. You're not. And one said that it should be free because it's a human right.
14:00:00 I looked in the 1948 universal declaration of human rights, all 30 sections, So it's not like, mmm, the business.
14:00:13 Can't believe the action.
14:00:21 Yeah. I hear that 4th went a lot. Too. You know, and we're heard that when we're having the conversations as well.
14:00:29 It's always, the people that are gonna do that are gonna do it regardless and 1% of the population does that because it's a license choice.
14:00:40 Yeah We could offer for 37 days. Would still be dumping.
14:00:51 And then we got a lot of business. Or business advice.
14:00:59 Yeah, meaning that they'll be a curbside service. The minimum wage, and that's what the early one dead said too.
14:01:08 If it was over, it was more expensive than curbside service. I definitely get. There was a broad range of responses on how much would it need to be adjusted.
14:01:20 There were There's 1 in 75 and one at. Yeah, 100. So we pulled those outliers. Can you get a real list?
14:01:29 They were flipping responses. So we didn't. Include them getting at that. I mean, the last one there shows, you know, not all the suggestions have a lot of.
14:01:40 Business acumen behind them, right? Yeah, that was puzzling. I didn't drill down.
14:01:52 Where I thought maybe I'm
14:01:56 Interesting.
14:01:59 I mean, so you're not coming with the recommendation today. This is only. A 6 month snapshot.
14:02:12 We really need to get through a busy season and make sense of. A broader range of numbers here that we get.
14:02:19 And then we'll come back in the fall. And discuss it further on what we're doing there.
14:02:25 Now. Not included in this is that we have seen a 3 year training in our degree of both the the perp, the pounds per transaction, but, but it's definitely going the right way.
14:02:39 And the transaction counts are drop them off.
14:02:43 So we've got 2 trend lines going in the right directions. As far as municipal salad waste.
14:02:51 We're going in the right direction. Just not as forceful as you.
14:02:56 Do you have any hunches for tune up to the program? Not yet. We need more that.
14:03:04 We need to get through businesses. Because everything changes. We basically got 2 seasons on a month. And we really need to go through the May, the summer season to see.
14:03:17 What did what the effect of these fees are. Bear in mind like over the last 6 weeks I've gotten 3 phone calls.
14:03:27 Very angry people about the new minimum fee for yard. It's been. And they're just finding an app.
14:03:36 So these are books that don't spend the whole year here. And they're coming back in that outreach.
14:03:44 Yeah, you know, we did this. That's 40, minimum and kids that now is $42.
14:03:54 That's a game fee and it's not attached to a So that's the privilege.
14:04:03 Cover around 10% of the Linux is minimum fees that they want to drive down drive it down. And they're dead in there, but it's a pretty bl
14:04:19 They just had a couple of things. First, st I just. Bye, for when he said we did surveys.
14:04:27 That's a euphemism for bounded. 91 surveys. Yeah. Which I think, you know, takes a lot per person to go out there and talk to people about all.
14:04:38 While they're waiting in line. Yeah. So I think, you know, that, really speaks to Al's, dedication to his role.
14:04:47 Solid base program. Yeah, we wanna keep. Encouraging these curbside program. I think the one slides pretty indicative of why, you know, what, And like Al said on the days where
we only have the commercial holler there, 2 employees on days with cell phone customers, 5 6 employees.
14:05:10 So cell phone. Costs a lot more to manage. And, you know, future fee revisions may reflect that there could be a different per tonne cost.
14:05:23 For example, Right now it's the same $167. That can change. There's a way further.
14:05:34 Yeah. It's work in progress. It's a business. People, some people might get that.
14:05:45 It's not supported by taxes. Lot of transfer stations are private businesses, not run by the government.
14:05:53 So I mean, we're run the same way. It's all fee based. Yeah, that's he's covering a lot of programs.
14:05:59 You know, like the length household had, it's waste program, most of that, stuff, which again, are save is a lot of money.
14:06:06 Somebody compared to the fixed facility we need to have at the port. Recycling cost near it's about $20 to that you know, it goes to support that recycling program because there
is no direct fee for recycling right now.
14:06:25 So, anyway, great work now. Update that's what this was as a briefing because that's what we committed to when we.
14:06:34 Yeah. Good the new fee resolution. So. Well, keep it posted.
14:06:41 I also, I like the idea. I'll sit in there evaluating the weight of every, garbage load that comes through, reminds me of the old, carnies that could like measure out the quarters
and nickels in their hand and like there you go $5 and just so I I do on I can't wait for some contest where you're out there guessing the weight of
14:07:01 each load as it goes by, but I'll come. Yeah, right. We're gonna save money on scale.
14:07:11 I'll just gonna stand there all day. What kind of feedback are you guys getting about the?
14:07:16 Change in Monday's being commercial and the rest are getting still getting pushed back on that or. We haven't heard that lately.
14:07:26 I think it was in one or 2 that the, on the survey was wanted to bring that back.
14:07:31 But when we explain the efficiency of that and the gains, we're kind of getting benefit to that from the other customers.
14:07:39 Most people are agreeing with that. It makes sense. The tricky part is that So, is not simple.
14:07:51 There's a lot of permutation. So there's no elevator speech. You know, and so trying to explain a complicated.
14:07:56 You know, hyper regulated business. To customers on the fly you know in 2Â min while It's hard to do.
14:08:07 We're getting better at it. But We'll see as well as business. And if I was as business savvy as you hope I would be, the 1st thing I do is cut recycling.
14:08:19 What a huge drag on the bottom. That usually gets the conversation. We're cycling is a human right now.
14:08:30 Although what was the article you just sent me from the Washington Post? It just said recycling to Joe.
14:08:38 It should just. You heard me say that too. You taught me that, Al, you're free, you want me to say in public yet, but it's down cycling.
14:08:46 It's taking a toxic. Waste product and making it into a blob of Yeah, don't buy things that are packaged in one.
14:08:53 That's pretty easy. About as much as we can of that facility and I know this is segue is from the Monday pleasure I mean Ideally, a facility would have a commercial lane and
a self hauling because we really shouldn't see our commercial hall or analyzed through long lines, waiting waiting, waiting, and Monday's allow them to move, you know.
14:09:20 Some of their traffic into that Monday, but they're not having to wait also allows us to maintain equipment and facilities and things, but.
14:09:30 We're by a excavator for So you can cost. After having rented one for the last 6 months to handle, and, and, and, and, and, that we can.
14:09:43 Keep that separate from the floor. We're doing that outdoors. Which, opens up more floor space.
14:09:50 But I mean, that's just an example of squeezing every last.
14:09:55 Else we can get out of that facility the way it's laid out and everything, to, handle our, customer.
14:10:05 Load which is why we're you know. Planning for the future. That process got stalled a little bit because we went through a real staffing prices late in 23 or early in 24 and
Al and others, everything they could do to just keep that facility open this winter.
14:10:28 But we've been, some new staff. So, Should have a little more time to get back on the discussion about what we need to the future for managing solid ways.
14:10:37 In Darkson County. Okay. And the commercial customers are happy with Monday? With that, solution.
14:10:47 Oh yeah, waste connections is delayed as much as they can, move their accounts with residential, So they're gaining a lot more.
14:10:58 They haven't a virtual, for them. For us, I mean, we're saving a lot of money too, We can augment, you know put in inspections and service comes them out helps us out.
14:11:16 So, which translates into fewer. You know delays in the service if equipment goes down we're getting caught up What was last year?
14:11:27 But About this point last year, very long list of deferred maintenance. Better than halfway through that list now.
14:11:37 So making improvements, there may or may not see as you know, these hidden benefits to us not accepting.
14:11:49 It's and you know when you're running a better than 55% over capacity. You gotta have room to service the facility.
14:11:59 Other facilities like so. Amish County will close midweek. For several hours, just for staff to get caught up, it was a lot more reasonable considering how much better maintenance.
14:12:11 Small capital improvements we needed to make to do that. Bye. Really has an integral back. Made so much game.
14:12:24 That's great. Yeah, and of course, Extended the hours of operation on Tuesday. So we've gained back better than half of service hours that we want.
14:12:36 You think that's a Right. That one. I don't know how to get that across. Not that much days are the new Monday's.
14:12:47 And you should. Particularly for retired customers. Okay, 4 other days. My parents, I mean, you're gonna have to 1st remind them what day it is.
14:12:57 Yeah, we know that. We're good. Sorry, you're probably gonna get. Hey for that.
14:13:05 We're still working on cameras for the line. Right. Yeah, we're doing. Nice.
14:13:11 Carefully it'll suck up all your bandwidth and stop the credit card process.
14:13:18 There Yeah, You know, China, Manny mentioned also, the. Process.
14:13:33 You did. I don't know if you need to. Late last week. We discussed next steps.
14:13:38 We had originally thought that we would be a combined, workshop that will also have the task force there and then kind of working that through logistics through.
14:13:51 What we decided to do is to do a briefing with the board workshops. On the information that will then present to the task force and that it would be better cleaner to keep the
task more separate phone.
14:14:07 Are you pulling all the commissioners off the task force there? No, no, we'll still retain the words represent.
14:14:17 And she's on the task force because right now she's on swag. So I don't know if we do we talk about Did I give up the task force?
14:14:30 For a certain duration. But will, I don't mind if I. I'm on slack. I know that.
14:14:48 Yeah, she is on slack current. So we'll arm wrestle about it. You don't have to get.
14:14:50 Decide which one you like better or anything. Yes. Okay.
14:14:58 I'm not gonna give it to the new person. So we hope to bring that information on the site selection process that we've done.
14:15:08 In-house and then we do that. Probably sometime in June. To the board, followed next week with the task force.
14:15:18 Yeah. Taking a very deliberate process. That's a 14 year facility. Measure twice.
14:15:27 Great. Got twice major ones. You're measured by so you cut once. Yeah.
14:15:43 I'm glad the low income discount is working out. I'm glad that's an A minus.
14:15:48 But. Good idea, Commissioner. Alright, alright. Thank you for having us.
14:15:54 Thank you, See you next time. And I'll bring the presentation.
14:16:06 Hey, well. That was the single item on our agenda this afternoon. Other than additional discussion items. Do we have any additional discussion items?
14:16:20 Yeah, I think so. Lots, lots of stuff going on, you know, and go dive into my office and take care of stuff.
14:16:29 So no, I'm happy to. Any additional discussion items from staff? I got word that Kate would love to go the Dr.
14:16:37 House tour. So, Craig, it's between you and her and I know she can go.
14:16:44 Yeah, capital planning. Solid waste facility. I do like that. But no, it's, I don't know.
14:16:56 Make the decision now. I'm just making a That slack back. Hey, well.
14:17:09 We got that test taken care of. Mark, anything else from you? Well, this is very early adjourn.
14:17:18 You're very efficient as a chair. Actually, 17. Okay. 2 17.
14:17:27 Well, that clock up there on the wall is wrong then. My computer also says 2 17 we will adjourn this meeting of the May 13th meeting of the Jefferson County Board of Commissioners.
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Answer to question about short-term rental project: That process is separate from the Comprehensive Plan Annual Amendment Cycle, which concludes in December. We're hoping to move quicker
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