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09:04:45 And then of course I just would like to say that I hope that there is much more input from the people in the community.
09:04:52 With the pool focus as well. Thank you.
09:04:57 Thank you, Miss. Mr. Trish.
09:05:04 Good morning commissioners. A couple of things I wanted to mention this morning. 1st I wanted to Thank you for your paying attention to the questions are raised about the EV
Chargers.
09:05:16 And see that you're about to put that approve that on your consent agenda this morning. I do appreciate the amount of time and discussion that went into, arriving at the current,
document.
09:05:27 Slight modification to the original. I remain concerned though about a couple of things. One thing in particular, you know, the company that's going to be doing these EV chargers,
EVCS, is a very small company.
09:05:39 And, you know, this morning I googled and confirmed what I already knew that many of these EV charging companies are going out of business.
09:05:50 They're at serious risk of bankruptcy. Their business model at currently is apparently not sustainable according to many analysts.
09:05:58 So. The issue here is that EVCS is going to have an exclusive ten-year contract.
09:06:04 And what is the county's remedy if they go out of business? It's not clear. It's not stated anywhere in the contract as far as I can tell.
09:06:12 And so that remains a concern. So, just. Drawing your attention to it, probably nothing you can do about it, but it it is a risk to the county.
09:06:21 And so there's that. The other thing that caught my attention is your workshop this afternoon.
09:06:28 We're going to be discussing the proposed goals from the Climate Action Committee. Happy Earth Day.
09:06:34 The The, the goals are very nice. Very good. But there is nothing in that document that's actionable.
09:06:44 There are no practicable recommendations for anything toward achieving those goals. So it's kinda like, well, that's nice to have.
09:06:53 So what? It doesn't, I'm not impressed, in other words, I can set a goal, but if I don't have any way to achieve it, it's meaningless.
09:07:03 And so I'm disappointed that the committee could not go into at least some detail about the actual ways of achieving those goals over the next several years or decades.
09:07:17 Aside from that. It's a feel good document. So thanks.
09:07:23 Thank you, Mr.
09:07:26 Hello, so thanks for provide public comment today.
09:07:31 Sound
09:07:38 The last call.
09:07:44 Right. Let's go ahead and respond. Another opportunity again before posing public comments. Anyone compelled?
09:07:54 Sure. I'll go, I'll go first.st Thank you, Miss. You're now, Mr. Tears for the comments.
09:08:00 I think we're all at connectivity fair and I didn't miss the housing talk, but I've worked a lot with all these organizations and we've at various times had almost all of them
on the board at the housing fund board when it was called something else, the JOB at that point and you know the as a county we are challenged in a lot of the solutions for workforce
housing and affordable housing and
09:08:23 we are definitely doing what we can. I think it's, is the highest priority. As, as we move through and look for other.
09:08:33 Funding opportunities part of our legislation legislative goals too is unlock more ways that we can support those rungs of the housing continuum that are more challenging for,
the public sector to address, but I'm with you.
09:08:46 And, Mr. Teersch, I appreciate the continued input on the. The EV Chargers, you know, the 1st step is you need to be most careful as you make that, you know, measure twice,
cut once kind of thing.
09:08:59 And I think it's better. I mean, I just as your, you know, the early termination.
09:09:05 We don't have a lot of options to, terminate it early, you know, as long as they keep maintaining the contract, I think we'll just have to.
09:09:12 Yeah, use them basically and make sure that the, that they stay keep that 90%, you know, up rate that they have contracted with washed out and, Yeah, it's a challenging, you
know, I think at this point I'm ready to move forward, you know, despite it not being perfect, cause I think we are.
09:09:31 You know, being the enemy of the good if we keep going. I don't think we're gonna get too much more out of them.
09:09:35 So, I appreciate the, subject matter expertise from the public. That's always really helpful and, we'll talk about climate goals more.
09:09:45 I take your point, their goals and not a lot of actionable items in there but curious I don't know if Kate has any specifics to add.
09:09:58 Okay. Part of the discussion. On the housing front as you all know I'm the least active commissioner.
09:10:10 And the housing front but I do know that There has been appetite for some county leadership on kind of the coordination piece of housing and I know we've talked about the idea
of creating a housing office or having a housing staff and I still think that's a good idea but talk about that today too.
09:10:32 And then Miss Yarnell mentioned the pool and I think the current. Effort on the pool of the task force is the part of the purpose of that is to get broader community input into
the pool process.
09:10:48 And I think the people that we've appointed the task force and the geographic diversity they represent will do just that.
09:10:52 So some people are frustrated with another task force, but I for one feel like it's the right step.
09:10:59 In this conversation. In terms of the climate goals, I did spend some time last night trying to.
09:11:09 Anticipate or provide ideas of things that we're currently doing that I've been working actively on and around forestry that will contribute.
09:11:18 To the goals that were outlined. So there aren't specific tactics or. Actions in the.
09:11:27 Document, but I think we've got some. Things that we're doing right now that will contribute to those goals.
09:11:33 And we'll talk about that later. I think That's the extent I'm grateful that you know the team dug into the contract and made the refinement in as an EV driver.
09:11:49 I hope that those charges work forever because As I said before, I'm most often frustrated not by the type of charger I confront, but the fact that they don't work.
09:11:58 So yeah, yeah, it was interesting timing last week. I had a tight turnaround trying to get from, meeting in Bellingham.
09:12:11 Back home or I can't remember what meeting I had here, but, like half hour to charge and I was like, okay, I know exactly the charges I'm going to in Bellingham, best chargers.
09:12:23 Only at 30Â min, but that was enough to get me, you know, to the and.
09:12:28 Hold up, EVCS Chargers. Spent 15Â min. Wrestling with one of the chargers.
09:12:36 There's no indication that it was out of order. Would not work. Which did work. But I was extremely frustrated and the timing was a little Yes, this is way too common.
09:12:53 And You know, if it just had an error message on it, it would have saved me. All that time and so little bit frustrating.
09:13:02 Oh yeah. With so many that are out of order. One that I go to in Olympia all the time is just they just it's been taped up for 6 months now.
09:13:13 No longer functional. Oh, yeah, it's frustrating. I will say the plug share, the app does a pretty good job of, tracking when they're down and the users are really helpful,
but it shouldn't be that hard.
09:13:29 Was the one that you in Bellingham that you encountered? Was that on plug share not working?
09:13:34 Alright, just curious. It was not. No, and partly because the one next to it was working.
09:13:40 So, you know, it was functional, but. This is frustrating and fairly having, you know, enough.
09:13:47 Time or charge to get home sufficiently. But I've told you my 2 miles left story, right?
09:13:55 You guys have never run it out? No. We've got towed so many times in that leaf.
09:14:06 Oh, sometimes from just a block away from the house. You guys have never run it out? No, we've got toad so many times in that leaf.
09:14:09 Oh, yeah. Plug it back in. I can charge it, you know, get a towed home and plug it in.
09:14:13 Yeah, Suppose you can do it with a generator, but you need a really long chord even out the regular.
09:14:20 That's like a little life hack is if you want to pull a generator up to a dead one.
09:14:24 25 foot cord with it. I wonder too if that, you know, they call the the range that you're given, I guess, a meter, you know, it's a really estimate based on your previous, 50
miles driven or something.
09:14:40 But they've gotten better too. Sure than that. I don't know. It still seems pretty squishy.
09:14:46 Yeah. Anyway, so I, appreciate all your help, Mr. Teersch, and I actually volunteered you and I, the both school is also negotiating a nice subject with EVCS, or.
09:15:02 Dominic. And, my father happens to be working on that and so, yeah, yeah, he's on the both school board.
09:15:11 So I, I said that if they. You know, struggling to work through that contract.
09:15:17 So we'd be happy to help them. I am, it's a good point about if and when.
09:15:24 If you DCS were to cease to exist, what would happen with that infrastructure and I'm betting that the, funding that they're getting from the state defense outline requirements.
09:15:39 But I of course don't know that for certain. So. That's a good point.
09:15:46 As for, CAC, climate action committee, we will be digging further into, ideas for meeting those calls today.
09:15:57 Cindy and I, for the meeting today. So I know that that is part of our discussion.
09:16:03 And, in terms of the housing. No, we do have a structure, the housing plan board that and it's and it's subcommittees, which we do encourage more folks to get involved with
but currently that is kind of where that level of coordination happens and it has been refined over previous iteration from a few years ago.
09:16:31 But you know, I think we will continue to figure out how to best use, our partners to be strategic.
09:16:39 Both Greg and. Tom that, I did complete the 2, association of county legislative proposals.
09:16:48 So, last week. So those have both been submitted. 3rd advisory committee is excellent.
09:17:00 Yes.
09:17:02 Alright, let's go back to the Zoom room and see if anyone if we have inspired any additional public comments.
09:17:11 Brilliant musings. Oh good, Mister King. Hmm.
09:17:24 Good morning, Gordon. That's going to. Okay.
09:17:29 Okay. I would just like to thank Commissioner Eisenhower. I'm speaking as a chair of the Embassy at the moment.
09:17:39 Thank Commissioner Eisenhower for turning up last week and. Pushing a wheelbarrow around and throwing shells into the lagoon at Discovery.
09:17:52 Yes.
09:17:45 Okay, so if you garden my overalls took 3 or 3 runs through the washer. Okay. Hi, Ben.
09:17:57 Yeah.
09:17:56 That was awesome. Yeah, and those were 150 pound wheelbarrows and I was I'm pressed with myself that I could move those.
09:18:04 So, yeah. Thanks, Gordon.
09:18:10 Hmm.
09:18:05 It was heavy and having a lot of people really was helpful. So and enjoyable. And then I'll add that we interviewed.
09:18:15 4 very capable applicants. For the MRC staff position last week and intending to check references and after the job to one of them.
09:18:28 So I'm not, I know we were checking references so I'm not sure that she's accepted or not but.
09:18:36 Appreciate that. And one last note, all you EV people. Taylor Shawfish actually has a charger.
09:18:44 Outside the retail store at Southeast 1 30 lunch road. Just, the side of the little creek casino.
09:18:53 Yeah.
09:18:52 So if you do get caught, you can come in. You can come and get a ball of chatter and or you can come in and have a chat.
09:18:59 But, we do have a charging station, so. Thank you very much.
09:19:02 Good now. And what? And charging station is it, Gordon?
09:19:10 Hmm.
09:19:06 Well, my if 1 50 is not a electric one though. We must have one for an if 152 because I think that's the cross the way because both our general manager and one of the tailors
has an give 1 50 but the one next to the retail store I know it was put in for a leaf, so whatever.
09:19:28 Yes, yeah, that a free charge, Gordon?
09:19:28 Type of like the leaf takes. So, I don't know, I assume not, but I don't know.
09:19:37 Once. Maybe.
09:19:37 Maybe it is, I don't know. I, I haven't tried. Plugging my gas track into a
09:19:47 Yeah. Okay.
09:19:44 Maybe you provide 10 pounds of oysters and you get like a 30Â min charge. That's level 2.
09:19:57 Oh.
09:19:52 Level 3 with an 8.8 plug scores. Pretty good. So it must, it must be a decent one.
09:20:00 Yeah.
09:20:00 And Gordon, driven by our. Oyster coach location a few times since last week and It I look down there and see the shells at the right tide and I'm just, yeah, that was a really
great, event that you helped organize and I'm happy to move more oyster cell as needed.
09:20:19 And now we just need that other personal commitment from the other 2 commissioners. They can come down one day.
09:20:23 Okay. I've been down there. I've been down there moving cold. So yeah, I'll do it again.
09:20:26 Greg practically, let's see it. Yeah. Yeah.
09:20:32 I've been busy busy busy quarter. Taylor needs to buy some more of those 2 wheelbarrows and just put your logo on the side.
09:20:41 Yeah, I will mention that to them. I we have more of them. I just have to get the sticker and put it on.
09:20:48 So I appreciate it
09:20:48 Yeah, thanks. I am fatally allergic, you know, Gordon.
09:20:53 Sorry, sorry, Kate.
09:20:56 Okay, you have mentioned that quite a few times. You're quite.
09:20:54 I'm fatally allergic to shellfish. Okay. Yeah, so I apologize. It, it is not the best use of my time.
09:21:06 Yeah.
09:21:06 But I'm on Benadryl for 3 days and useless.
09:21:12 Okay, well thanks guys.
09:21:14 Let us know when you know about the MRC coordinator though. That's a big role.
09:21:18 Good luck.
09:21:18 Yep, thank you.
09:21:20 Thank you, Brian. Alright, we're just gonna be chatty today apparently. Awesome. Last call for public comments.
09:21:36 I should have found a picture. I was so muddy. Let in the mud. Oh, people got photos. I don't even know. I was having too much fun.
09:21:46 Nice. Alright, I will close public comments and let's take a look at the concept agenda. I will say 1 1 Question I have not about consent agenda but about public comments is.
09:22:00 You know, more and more it's getting tricky to assume anyone's gender and we do have a protocol of generally calling people by Mr. Nesses.
09:22:15 And I wonder if that's gonna need to be a thing in the past at some point. Yeah.
09:22:19 And just go to 1st names, which I like the formality of. Addressing people by, you know, title, but.
09:22:21 I have been challenged and screwed it up more than once. So citizen last name. Oh, okay.
09:22:31 We do not assume citizenship status. And when people come to make public comment, we should say welcome in.
09:22:43 We should say what? Welcome in. Yeah. Okay, so mostly when you Enter a establishment these days.
09:22:52 I feel like most of the younger generations are that's how they greet you. Okay. Anyway, for whoever is chair next year, you'll get to wrestle with that.
09:23:10 Is there a Gender neutral. I can't think of one. Person blank?
09:23:20 For time management. I just wasn't gonna let you know we have it 9 30 discussion but we were to flow on and the gravity budget modules.
09:23:32 So, maybe we can. We quickly look at the consent agenda. I'll call a couple of things out.
09:23:41 I just, really appreciate the work the public works is doing with the port for the Gardener Beach Road boat ramp, you know, it's kind of seizing opportunity.
09:23:50 They got an RCO grant to redo the boat ramp the port did and we've had constant flooding issues down there.
09:23:55 So public works kind of just has been working with them since the beginning to, you know, get both things taken care of.
09:24:00 So this will kind of raise the road a little bit. It'll be huge for the, the area down there.
09:24:05 Is there a coding part? Fish wildlife owns the parking lot. We have the road that goes through it that is really like part of the boat ramp and then the port owns the just the
boat ramp so it's like 3 different municipalities that kind of have to get involved and they might come back after this is done and ask for us to pay to free it, defray the cost of
the port.
09:24:30 Great to move forward on the electric vehicle charging station. Of course, great to see the sewer moving forward and the Schmidt farm with conservation futures.
09:24:42 Sorry, just lots of good stuff here. And the recompete coalition support letter, you know, hopefully you guys are okay with that, but the 25th is the deadline.
09:24:52 So we're kinda just getting it in under the. Under the deadline, really exciting to have that wrapped up in the application.
09:24:59 And then, of course, I was excited about, Naturally, and of course the. Reappointing show low.
09:25:07 And also, oh yeah, and that's the evidence. It's not a reappointment.
09:25:13 She's new to, Constation features, isn't she? Well, the letter, I think she was there for a partial turn.
09:25:18 A letter kind of indicated that she have been appointed and wants to be reappointed. I think, for a little bit.
09:25:25 I would just add, you know, it's nice to see the Words phase 2 and 3 of the port have block waste water treatment system on our agenda and also that for the benefit of the public
there's been confusion with our agenda seeing things like phase 2 and 3 we're still working on phase one of the port havoc wastewater treatment system.
09:25:53 This is just change the language about that? Yeah, the phases. We're gonna do like a phase A or something.
09:25:58 On to it. So this is Phase 2 and 3 of the phase one part of the project. So.
09:26:05 Schmidt Farm is a really important piece of the quilting headwaters today overall project area.
09:26:11 And if you look at the map, it's right there at the head of the. I don't like number, item number 7.
09:26:18 Because we're claiming Eric Johnson leaving day and Eric has been a really, great leader for me.
09:26:26 As a county commissioner, as a new county commissioner and I've appreciated his calm steady hand on the tiller there at, WASAC.
09:26:36 So that's going to be hard choose to fail. I did bring a map of the 3 parcels, for the Dave Abbey natural area if anyone's curious about that.
09:26:46 But they are all additions to the existing already protected areas. And they're kind of up and down the bay from south to north, but they're small additions to.
09:26:57 To DNR in a current NAP parcels and then. Wdfw parcel at the south end of the Bay.
09:27:05 And yeah, grateful for to Cheryl for stepping back up for that conservation features role. So that's quickly that's.
09:27:13 That's maybe being quick on this. She is, maybe much. Okay. Anyone wanna make motion, please?
09:27:23 I'll move that we, approve and adopt the consent agenda as presented. And I'll second that.
09:27:31 Any further discussion? All those in favor? Consent agenda is approved. Right.
09:27:43 You know, as a panelists. Most enthusiastic agenda requests we had for this one. So many.
09:27:50 For the gravity modules. So I hope this sounds really heavy. Although I think Carolyn saying we need to do the 9 30.
09:28:00 No, trying to get this done before 9 30. But, oh, great. Alright.
09:28:09 And just to let Joe know we're running a little bit. Behind it will be a little later than 9 30. I.
09:28:18 Welcome to Trudy Chepherd and Trevor Stacey Prida, like handed it off to Mark or.
09:28:23 Right, I'll take the lead.
09:28:34 Right. So when I arrived here in 2017.
09:28:41 One of the goal, that was taken by Mr. Morley, the county administrator at the time. Was to improve our presentation on having budget.
09:28:51 And then much like, capital planning, 7 years have gone by. I now want to undertake an effort to improve our budget.
09:29:04 We did some research and found a number of software firms that make software that's specifically designed to Help counties and cities prepare your world class and budget presentations
and.
09:29:19 Questica and gravity were the 2 that we reviewed and the review team was our treasurers Stacey Preda and our finance manager Jimmy Shepard.
09:29:30 And, we've, settled on this one for a number of reasons. It looks like the easiest to implement.
09:29:38 It's, significantly less expensive than the other product. And it will achieve all the objectives that we've, set for ourselves.
09:29:49 Principally it's to present our budget data in a visually attracted way in a very understandable way.
09:29:58 Using charts and graphs. Importing photographs. Just telling the story in a very attractive way. On the screen, you see some examples of the charts that can be made by this
software.
09:30:17 You simply export your bunch of data out of Eunice imported into this. And then there's a budget book.
09:30:25 Building schedule. And you just work your way through it and as you import data it will make the graphics and you can select whether you want pi charge charge bar charts, and,
You know, Judy Sheppard, she's on the call.
09:30:45 I think now that we've got the auditors office, fully staffed. Duty Scott bandwidth to undertake a project of this size and of course it will that will also involve a bulb treasury.
09:30:57 And so. Our pitch today is.
09:31:01 Hopefully to gain your approval, to authorize me to find a letter of intent that we can send a .
09:31:10 We get a discount . Just the discount. And then once that, letter of the 10th is done, that will work on a contract document.
09:31:25 Bring to the board and ask for budget during the second quarter of appropriation cycle. And so. With that, I'd like to turn it over to Stacey and Judy for their comments.
09:31:38 Let me take any questions you might have. Do you wanna go?
09:31:43 Go first.st So, this is actually really exciting and I'm really happy to be working on this.
09:31:53 I'd like our budget to be more forward facing. And our budgets are, you know, just a bunch of numbers.
09:32:01 It doesn't really tell a story. And I believe the good work that County is doing or even the work we want to do and the the capacity we have to do that work.
09:32:12 Would be better presented. And I believe that this is gonna get us there. And the information is stored in Mutus.
09:32:21 All that data is there and one of our challenges with Munis has been to get the get the data out.
09:32:27 It's all there, it's good, but then we're still doing a lot of formatting.
09:32:31 We're still doing a lot of things to present it in a way that is easily understood. So this is what this is going to do for us is that we're going to be the data from Munis
into this program and we're going to be able then to put together a budget that's easy to understand.
09:32:46 The community can understand it. Our county leaders can understand it better. It's not just a bunch of numbers and it will tell a story and that's what I'm excited about.
09:32:57 So I'm happy to work on the project.
09:33:00 Yeah, I have been really excited that we're working on this project. You know, everyone sees these numbers differently.
09:33:11 If you ask Mark. You'll say 456,000 sales tax and he sees exactly what that is.
09:33:17 Most people don't. And they don't have the context of it and they think having the visuals helps.
09:33:23 Bring everyone's collective knowledge of how we're bearing and what the trends are. And how things are going and Makes it makes sense part of the budget book would be also time
things to our strategic plan, which we spend a lot of time doing.
09:33:41 And so You could say, okay, well just use spreadsheets and. I don't know.
09:33:48 A publisher, but it's really clumsy and I'm excited that part of this proposal is to do the monthly reports.
09:33:57 I spent a lot of time doing it, but I think it's worth it. That's the It helps make sense.
09:34:05 So our revenue numbers and so I'd really like to standardize that and have fewer opportunities for spreadsheet.
09:34:13 Formulas to break and things like that. Can I ask you a question on that? Yes. I think your budget presentation is for the monthly budget.
09:34:21 Meeting if people don't go to those meetings they should. I mean last Wednesday of the month right but will this 3rd Wednesday, the month.
09:34:29 Alright, will this make those easier for you to prepare? Will it save you time and preparation of those standardized.
09:34:38 So there's a few time and preparation of those standardized. So they were, as I understand it, there's about there's 4 components of this standardized.
09:34:44 So they were, as I understand it, there's, as I understand it, there's, as I understand it, there's about, there's 4 components of this. One of them is the annual budget book.
09:34:49 Another is sharing information online with and he showed the visual on that. One of them that I asked to have added would be monthly reports.
09:34:55 And so the goal would be we've standardized this and we've got the reports and plus some of that is forecasting and We could, I would also like to see us as a group.
09:35:06 You know. See if we want to improve them basically they've said yes we can do the finance reports and the budget reports.
09:35:15 With the monthly reporting portion of this. I think what it would do is just We upload the data in the format and I'm not manipulating everything to make it work in 6 different
.
09:35:33 And the others. So, I'm sorry if I deviated from. No, that's my question.
09:35:42 Exactly. Learning curve. I noticed easy to implement was like the 1st criteria that you guys listed. It's still a lot of money, but the other ones we looked at were extremely
robust, but they were in the $150,000 range and they do a lot of other things and you can create your budget in their programs and we didn't want to duplicate things we already have
available to us.
09:36:11 So, while the other one looked great and was exciting and we considered it, we also went, let's go back to the core, what are our needs and what programs do we not have.
09:36:23 So I think, you know, there's a lot we could do with a whole lot more time and googling how to do things, but This is a program they do this for a living.
09:36:35 They keep upgrading them. I think the budget book they had last year available has been completely reworked.
09:36:44 It was different this year or so staying up to date on things but really. It's their software, it's their expertise and then their implementation team.
09:36:54 For creating the reports that would hopefully be a lot less time to do each month but also Just standardize it and we know what to expect.
09:37:08 Okay, thank you. Do you have an expectation that, does work well with my question? Gravity.
09:37:15 Yes, right. It's a simple export. You import it into the. It's driving through method.
09:37:28 Basically, when it comes from, we have our bars. There's a lot of formatting to translate it into where it goes.
09:37:36 But Munis is excellent for exporting into a CSV file and it's really just understanding the data.
09:37:44 So we are always creating new revenue and expenditure codes, but making sure that the core financial team that are working between us know.
09:37:56 What it means and also making sure that If we upload and We know where to find it and just make it part of our workflow that when we create a new one.
09:38:10 We know how it's gonna flow up to. The reporting. Sounds like a pretty robust mapping exercise to get the initial reports done and then.
09:38:22 I mean, I before being a commissioner spent a lot of time and my career working with Excel. I'm creating Excel formula.
09:38:30 So whenever Stacey says, I've got to go on and change that. You've got to go in and change all the formulas all the time.
09:38:35 I mean, it this can get around Stacy having to, you know, remember where all those formulas sit and which ones seem to be updated or not.
09:38:43 I think it's a great thing. And it's the cost is. The money saved will be will be effort that Stacey can put into other parts of our operation, right?
09:38:54 So. You know, I think it's if efficiency is really a thing that we're going to get out of this gravity.
09:39:01 Budget module, I think it's a great thing. And awards too.
09:39:06 I'm curious what kind of awards budgets even can win. Finance officers. If you submit your budget document again, there's a excellence in budgeting.
09:39:26 Like no crochet here, right?
09:39:18 Got an expectation if we approve this. Okay. Pressure. Where I came from every single year we got the excellent.
09:39:42 I will say that, I was probably the, bug in Philip Morley's year 7 years ago, Mark saying we really need to make this budget more accessible, understandable.
09:39:56 So also has been an interest of mine for a long time, you know, I say the budget is our most important policy document.
09:40:03 So I'm, yeah, I would be thrilled to have it be something that, you know, something we could easily share with the public.
09:40:12 The work that we do. And we make decisions and, yeah, and Wendy Davis will help.
09:40:20 Okay. Great. It also seems like it'll be really useful for capital projects and capital planning. From the materials that you guys sent out.
09:40:34 In advance this week. So that's important. That too far. Yeah, that would make me very happy.
09:40:43 Got me the right time. I'm like, oh, sexy. I'm not sure if I normally think that.
09:40:49 We have rows of codes and columns of numbers. Well, and I'm impressed that Judy and Stacey are, you know, willing to take on yet another new process after wrestling with the
MEANS implementation for so on.
09:41:08 So. Thank you for being willing to jump in yet again. Thank you. I will add that that was part of what we considered is there's a lot of maintenance with all of the software
we use but currently don't have a software program that does this level of publication and you know, when things aren't connecting or licenses expire or all of that.
09:41:33 So there is the. The work of having that. But I just think it's really exciting to.
09:41:40 Have something that people will be able to hopefully relate to more and have make sense. Yeah. Yeah.
09:41:49 You remember, running when you were running for office for the 1st time, trying to It's better than it was 8 years ago, I should say, but it's still.
09:42:03 Takes, you know, like, yeah, I had my MPA and I just said it, government finance.
09:42:11 I'm happy to make a motion that we delegate authority to the county administrator to sign a letter.
09:42:18 Intent to procure a number of gravity budget modules. I will second. Any further discussion? Do not need to do any additional public comments.
09:42:30 I may be interested in dabbling in this. Yeah, that's communicated. I don't know.
09:42:45 I mean, I'm set up a users, a gravity sales team, business links. I will share them with you, to cities and counties that have used their product.
09:42:52 And get an idea of what our book might look like. One of them 735 pages. I don't believe we're going to produce that much.
09:43:02 So I hope not. Some of them report, employment numbers and demographics and that sort of thing.
09:43:10 So, you know, the commissioners have an interest in including that kind of information in our budget book.
09:43:19 We'll work with the and whoever to get those numbers and stats to put in. Excellent.
09:43:33 Thank you. Thank you.
09:43:24 Alright, any further discussion? All those in favor of the delegation of authority. Thank you, No.
09:43:40 Do you have you have access to Thank you. You could get it if you wanted, but there's user, MEANS, right? We could do access.
09:43:52 Yeah.
09:43:58 Is.
09:43:50 You can be set up as a as a user. I mean, there's and you know, you probably have more just viewing capability and not entry of course but then give you the ability to run reports,
do all that.
09:44:03 So that's what you're interested in. Just reach out to me and we can get it done for you.
09:44:12 Okay.
09:44:09 Okay, You will not mess with that, I promise. Alright. So now. Good morning, Michelle.
09:44:31 Good morning.
09:44:34 Greg, are you gonna pick us off? I'll start off and hand it to Joel.
09:44:39 I mean, just to say that Joel's, managed, we have, I believe one applicant for the district 3 position.
09:44:44 It was, vacated by Mike Nelson who served, really well in that role.
09:44:49 He was a chair when I came on the planning commission. So, Joel and I spent 30Â min with Andrew Schwartz this Wednesday and you know my joke is that well one member we just
need to do a kapcha and that's really as soon as he's human but it's great that we had an actual qualified applicant so Joel I'll hand it off to you.
09:45:08 Yes, I'll just add a little more background that. The appointment to the Planning Commission is made in an open session of the board of an regular agenda.
09:45:17 And community development helps with soliciting. Volunteers for the Planning Commission. So with the And of Mike Nielsen's term in March, we advertise through the month of March
for another district 3 volunteer.
09:45:33 We did receive. One application over. Enthusiastic applicant Andrew Schwartz. And as Commissioner Brotherton mentioned, we've gone through the process of interviewing and are
now bringing forward to The Board of Commissioners our recommendation.
09:45:52 Of Andrew Schwartz or the full board's consideration for district 3 volunteer on the planning commission.
09:46:01 And I'll talk a little bit more about our interview real quickly, you know, Joe prepared for questions.
09:46:08 I think there are the 4 standard questions. Andrew demonstrated as he has in past meetings. He's a real, and he's a on the, I serve on the board at the Northwood Canal Chamber
of Commerce with Andrew and he also throughout our engagements he puts on community meetings down in Brennan and as a result of the emotional intelligence he shows in a lot of really
potentially flat conversations.
09:46:30 I thought he would be a great member of the growth management steering committee so I recruited him as a steering committee member and I'm I'm glad and that he's taken that
to the next level to apply for the funding commission, seat as well.
09:46:43 So I wholeheartedly endorsed him. So either of you have any have any sense of his land use or planning experience?
09:46:51 Does he have any that?
09:46:53 Joel, you want to? Architecture, any.
09:46:55 Yes. Andrew related some of his background. With other communities in.
09:47:02 Looking at. Okay, community identity and how that fits in with some redevelopment proposals that were being done in the community.
09:47:16 In the East Coast.
09:47:12 And being a leader in that process. As well as, current work. That is done with this community.
09:47:21 Not doesn't have a career, I mean business development and business training as well as retail and the arts, but he did, you know, he was part of an organization out in Connecticut,
I think, that that worked on.
09:47:34 Development of a kind of a town center and was a real kind of a land use. You know, one of those complicated capital projects that involved a lot of stakeholders.
09:47:44 So. Yeah, mostly. Not a little land use experience. Especially.
09:47:53 It, my other question is, do we. I have a recollection of. Sometimes seating planning commission members often taking months.
09:48:04 And this seems like this is great that it came up so quick. Do we have a a period of time that we advertise planning commission vacancies for.
09:48:15 We trying to give it a month or do we just you know, set it set a deadline and then.
09:48:23 Or towards that deadline. That's I guess that's my administrative more administrative process question.
09:48:29 The, the guidelines are to advertise for 2 successive. Editions of our paper. Which we did, yeah, we left it open through the rest of the month.
09:48:41 In case we had some other. Interested applicants and that did not occur. We do have a need to fill that role as quickly as we can with the upcoming planning commission's work
and we felt that we had.
09:48:56 And applicant that would do good work. So we wanted to go forward with that.
09:49:00 No, I think Andrew was a great applicant. I just. Always like to stand up for my fellow women and I'm always wanting to see more women appointed to these boards and committees.
09:49:13 But, you know, I have no concern or. Opposition to this appointment. I'm just kinda trying to understand the process and have been asked some questions in the community.
09:49:23 So. Okay. Girl power, I'm always fighting for girl power. I will say I feel like we have, tightened up this process or at least been more clear on our end of things.
09:49:36 It's always had a good handle on the process, but, we've done a better job of.
09:49:41 Kind of, institutionalizing how our office engages in this process. Yeah, yeah. So it's, I think that's part of why it's moved more quickly this time too.
09:49:50 Yeah, I think it's great and I've been part of the process with Joel and a couple of other they can see the district.
09:50:00 Joel and a couple of other vacancy and I've been part of the process with Joel and a couple of other vacancies and district 2 and I really appreciate your leadership on these
appointments, so.
09:50:03 I said there was public comment on this though. Alright, so maybe I will make a motion to appoint Andrew Schwartz to the Open District 3 Planning Commission seat.
09:50:14 I'll second. What's, there's been a motion in the second to apply under shorts, with the, with anyone in the public like to comment on this item only?
09:50:30 Well, again, any public comments? It's motion for appointment.
09:50:37 Good. And then I will close public comment and tell the question. All those in favor, please indicate by saying aye.
09:50:43 Alright, bye. Thanks. Thank you so much, Joel. Thanks to Andrew for throwing his head in.
09:50:50 Good to have a lot of work to do. He was full when I came to him about the steering committee.
09:50:55 We'll make time. Okay. Thank you. We have, about 40Â min before our next agenda item, so maybe we can do some.
09:51:06 Unless I missed anything. Okay. I couldn't tell you or if you were gonna tell me I missed something on the agenda.
09:51:19 Okay. We'll wait till 1030 for that. So should we do some briefing from last week?
09:51:27 You wanna start, I always just feel like we go one, yeah, let's see. My calendar up.
09:51:37 I was with you guys last Monday. We got down early, which enabled me to go to the budgeting meeting for the, recompete as I said earlier.
09:51:46 Almost all is done, but just mailing it off pretty much so everything's working really great. And then I went to the Northwood Canal, Chamber of Commerce board meeting.
09:51:56 Hiring, an executive assistant. And then that was Monday late night. On Tuesday we have the follow-up meeting that Laura Gassen, TATRO had set up with about the shelter with
kind of the community and faith-based advocates and holy cap.
09:52:20 And the big news there that resonates through a couple meetings. Oh, I also had a meeting with the American Legion board Monday evening, a Zoom Meeting and they said we will
contract with the county to continue operations of the shelter.
09:52:37 So we kind of have a decision point whether we want to move forward. I have tentative meetings scheduled with Judy and with Sarah and with Mark to start.
09:52:46 Working out of budget and operations plan and hiring people here fairly quickly for a position that might be under the housing fund board, you know, we're still kind of so having
initial meetings with Sarah.
09:52:59 We have time, of course, because the only cap will maintain the shelter until the end of June. The idea would be then we would take it over.
09:53:07 We've got the contract up in the Philippines. So we'll start negotiating a contract with them.
09:53:14 In the meeting with the follow up meeting on Tuesday. I pretty much laid it out that you know many hands speak light work where we don't have the opportunity to rely on fundraising.
09:53:26 So we're gonna use the, you know, build the program with the 27,000. Reporting if you kick back, we got that we got this year and next year and then come, you know, to the budgeting
of the next year's.
09:53:43 Funds we would have to start with budgeting what the shelter was before we opened it up to other programs.
09:53:51 Basically, so let's build a big coalition. But we do, we will have more money thancomers too, the additional recording fees.
09:54:03 And the legislature. Great. So yeah, starting with that and with the recording fees, but really just that 1 49 fund.
09:54:07 Has a prime use as long as we're operating the shelter. We just, I mean, so I'm asking as well.
09:54:12 That's, we're drawing a line in the sand and say, does the county and I think the city will partner.
09:54:17 That's the reason to have it under the housing fund board want to make sure that we have a an emergency shelter.
09:54:25 Yeah, and do you have a recommendation based on all the caps willingness to continue? I mean, I'm, I say, let's go ahead.
09:54:36 I mean, I'm, I say, let's go ahead. I mean, I'm, I say, let's go ahead. I mean, I'm, I say, let's go ahead.
09:54:38 I mean, I, yeah, with, that, well, only cap will continue until June. And they don't have the capacity to do that.
09:54:42 So I mean, I can see higher on a couple of clerk hires that are their monitors. I reached out to Only Cap to get job descriptions and and salary ranges for the shelter manager
and monitors.
09:54:54 And basically, do we wanna keep, you know, there's a couple go no go opportunities here where we can say that is beyond our capacity.
09:55:02 You know, it's not something that we've. I don't think ever done before so it's there's a lot of learning curve that comes and the other question that you don't have to answer
now, but you should consider is Does the housing fund board seem like the right place for it to be?
09:55:17 We talked about it kind of being under, VOCC. Control and so housing fund board isn't quite that but it's kind of so i mean just are we going in the right direction as we try
to develop this.
09:55:31 I think. Greg knows this because we've, that it will have more conversation that hasn't fun board.
09:55:38 Yeah, this is the path that I was proposing and I feel good about it. I think us being closer to it.
09:55:44 Is important because of the kind of extraordinary nature of this. And, Get and how.
09:55:53 Kind of entrenched and challenging. The operation of the shelter has been and the strong opinions around it, I think.
09:56:04 You know, we are taking a risk and I want us to have some, authority here and not just hand it off to a board.
09:56:13 To say, you know, you decide. I think there's just too many, you know, we are hoping to maintain a status quo.
09:56:20 To keep the shelter functional but yes exactly until we have the new facility but I am afraid of turning it into anything.
09:56:30 Bigger than that. I don't think we have the capacity for and so I've been keeping it close keeping it in a very limited scope.
09:56:43 And one more just note in my early conversations with Sarah from HR. You know, this would be kind of a The 1st position will be the shelter manager that we're, you know, getting
descriptions as a template for and that would be a term limited full staff position probably, but you know that 2 year and tell the other shelter is going.
09:57:01 There's opportunity along the way if you know we have the right person in there to. Create that kind of housing czar, you know.
09:57:10 Sorry, Zarina. Zarina, I think, Zara is gender neutral, isn't it? Maybe not.
09:57:15 Zareen. Oh, you're right. It is. I don't know.
09:57:20 I've always heard. Sorry, Russian history. Okay.
09:57:25 I think that's Thank you. I guess. Yeah, no, Zar or Zarina.
09:57:40 But potentially, and I guess the other question is. Yeah, no, Zar or Zarina. Potentially. And I guess the other question is housing fun board.
09:57:49 Is, and I guess the other question is housing fun board. Is that close enough to this board to be to give that kind of control?
09:57:55 Housing fun board, is that close enough to this board to be to give that kind of control?
09:57:59 Housing fun board is an advisory board to the BOCC, but it does give the city that I hope to get that engaged in as well.
09:58:03 One other thing we're gonna have to do pretty quickly is apply for a conditional use permits, because they have, it's not an allowed use housing in that, in that piece of property,
but, at the the shelter meeting on Tuesday I made it to Tuesday at 11 o'clock by the way in my report so far.
09:58:15 Be a modification. Not, not, okay, not, so they have an existing conditional use permit for emergency use.
09:58:24 We're just sliding in Okay, they're with the Legion. We need a lease. Oh, yes, I did.
09:58:34 I've got fire and health inspection. So 3 things that we need. And I'll apply for cam and if you'd like to attend that, put it on your calendar.
09:58:44 Sounds great. Financial implications of this. Cost right now about $30,000 a month to operate is the $30,000 a month.
09:58:58 That's what the only cat budget has been. We're Staff? Okay, so that's I think rent 1750 a month.
09:59:12 Share of them? Yeah, they pay perhaps a pretty loaded share right now. I mean, I, I doubt we're gonna get the rent to go down.
09:59:21 It might go up, but I think redressing the utility. Distribution is something that I would want to address in that negotiation.
09:59:28 But you know, you know, they have a strong negotiating position, let's say. Given the concerns we've heard about the showers, We're planning to do a kind of assessment of the
facility.
09:59:48 I've heard numerous times from Know the Cap. It takes a little while to get the water hot water going in one of the showers, but there is there is stuff check water and you
know working with coast too that owns the washers and dryer and the kitchen implements and everything and making sure that we can get a smooth hand over so it's pretty much a functional
shelter handed from one agency to another just at the
10:00:07 end of June. Do we know if coastal continue to? Coast had a representative at the Tuesday.
10:00:15 To take it back to the board. I've not heard back from them, but they were interested in continuing that they have real capacity issues, you know, for volunteering.
10:00:23 They were hit part during COVID as well. So, What I think I believe that they. Kind of cease join the meal a day.
10:00:32 I'm not sure. So I was really clear with everyone that the more, the more community support we can get for this.
10:00:40 The less we have to. Yeah. Potentially drained from other good housing projects. In the area, which is just like the only other way I could find out.
10:00:49 Figure out to like make this pencil. I think there is still interest from the faith community in doing the meals.
10:00:58 And so, you know, that could be the kind of thing that now having a dedicated staff person, they could be plugging into the model that Coast had and that the churches are already
really familiar with and we're gonna jump in at the bit to get re-engaged with and I can see it's a lot of work for coast, so maybe we could pull that in again.
10:01:17 Meeting. It's now the emergency shelter coalition meeting. So awesome. Okay.
10:01:27 I think we're, I'm in, you guys are. I would say you guys are housing commissioners, but this seems like a very logical set next step.
10:01:37 One other thing I'll say is that, you know, public health has quite a bit of like solid waste abatement dollars not quite a bit you know 50 75 K left and 2 grants and they'll
continue doing that but this is like a conscious strategy to support the shelter and the corollary of that is that we are not supporting unmanaged encampments, you know, by providing
infrastructure.
10:02:00 For unmanagement in Canvas. We still have our ordinance. The city has their ordinance that if a faith-based organization, a nonprofit, some organization wants to create an encampment.
10:02:10 There are, you know, rules to make them, safe that we can, we can follow, but, we wanna make sure that everyone has a place to go.
10:02:20 And this is all playing out on national front today, right? Now, even if that right is stripped away and we can weaponize and criminalize homelessness, I think this is still
something.
10:02:37 We're a compassionate community. So I, I'm struck by the timing of all this, right?
10:02:42 So that was Tuesday and 11. We had Jefferson Transits. I always have a conflict with the tourism.
10:02:50 Coordinating Committee, Jefferson Transit is there. Did not was not able to send that.
10:02:56 We'll see in Brennan, empowered teams. You know they, Holly has left the, to go to the poor towns and one and they changed the job requirements to be like the most critical
thing was you live in the area already and have some nexus with kids and they had multiple applications that they thought.
10:03:17 So I think changing the criteria was really important to getting good applicants. Yes, I see it.
10:03:26 Okay, I, I can. Mentioned. Now?
10:03:32 Okay. Wednesday I saw some of you, many of you with the Tax Blues breakfast.
10:03:37 Right. Showed up with my daughter, dragged her all around today. This last week. And then I had the kind of last team, Jefferson Recompete Coordination meeting.
10:03:49 All is going well. And so I missed the budget meeting on Wednesday. But the last one on this for a good time.
10:03:54 And the interview with Andrew Schwartz that we've already talked about. That's Davis from, the.
10:04:03 Good boat school has talked about beyond recompete until we had our 1st beyond recompete meeting.
10:04:09 And then we had a follow up meeting with Bill Dowling from the Olympic Consortium board and he met with a new member there, Molly Propes from the hospital and Cindy Brooks and
I so we're talking about data and they got a new portal so we can actually scrape out to Jefferson County data from the ESD data.
10:04:26 So, there's a new application that OCB signed up for. They've got 4 seats.
10:04:31 So each of the EDCs is gonna get one seat and they get one seat. So I know that's been an ongoing.
10:04:37 Data frustration is being able to scrape local data. So. And will we run into the problem we run into like with the, reporting revenues where if there's not enough.
10:04:48 People reporting in a category that it becomes invisible. I don't know. That's, doing for sure.
10:05:04 But there's a lot of. OCP funds that are going to Jefferson County right now, much higher than our proportion.
10:05:10 We're in the bill like, the We O, internship money you know where they pay basically pay for an employer to have an on the job intern.
10:05:22 So the wouldn't go to school. The British. Yeah. Wooden boat school is getting a lot of those funds to get people straight into jobs.
10:05:30 Outside out of graduation. Okay, well, we're talking recompete. I love that there's already, I'm beyond recompete, like, you know, fairly caught your breath. I'm talking about
the future.
10:05:40 Week with Kevin Dcker the economist from C. Grant and was glad that he was like read in on Recompete and had contributed some data.
10:05:54 Yeah, like, I think we should. Keep in mind what a great resource he is and think about ways to engage him.
10:06:05 Kind of a last minute budget addition was that there's I think 750,000 for to EC team Jefferson in that you know there were sort of some complaints as we're going through the
process.
10:06:18 You know, why don't you guys have project going? Why don't you have this going?
10:06:19 And I think, Cindy and Karen together, realize it was because we don't have capacity to think about what's next because we're just barely keeping up with the good you know.
10:06:30 Business continuation and you know profit making classes that they have so there's some that's dedicated just for South County Karen from the NODC did a lot of work at the last
minute to kind of get a bunch of funds for the tribes.
10:06:44 So basically, 7 tribes were asked how much do you want and whatever they were given was put into the budget.
10:06:54 So we have 8 million dollars for underserved communities. 500 K for the forks to kind of develop their industrial park a little bit.
10:07:02 2 50 to the EDC because there was no organization in the south end that was used for business development and Brennan and, in the south end and then $500,000 basic workforce
development.
10:07:12 And then the tribe has got from, you know, between 502,000,500 K and 2 million dollars depending on what their request was.
10:07:19 And those were just kind of open, you know, they might not know what they needed for, but this is how we can serve our under served communities.
10:07:25 Okay. Yeah. But I look forward to seeing the completed. Yeah.
10:07:34 Do you guys want to see the 10 page narrative? And then have the NODC executive board meeting talked a lot about recompete there.
10:07:49 On Thursday. What I did in the morning, something. Yeah, board health. It's good.
10:07:57 I was sorry I couldn't be here. Oh yeah. Migrating all day so I stay at home and attended virtually and it's the public health awards I was sad I hope the picture was good and
I have to have pictures of the Zoom.
10:08:08 Zoom. I started zoom being and then I was like, I look like indoor.
10:08:14 I was like, flap. I'm, I'm, I've done zoom a few times, but you have to learn the routine.
10:08:19 And this 1. 0 yeah, I don't I don't do it enough to like actually.
10:08:27 You have to go a few times to learn a routine, you know, so next end is a zoom. Mobile.
10:08:37 You know, so next time to learn a routine, you know, so next end is a zoom, a mob. Heidi, I will make you look good.
10:08:40 I'm happy to jump around like a chicken if I need to, but I was like, okay, a little too But you know, eventually you get into it enough that you don't, you're not thinking
about, yeah, what other people are seeing.
10:08:50 I wasn't thinking about. I was thinking about how I was feeling. I was just like, Oh, maybe it's everything else, but I was like, I'm not feeling very zoom.
10:09:00 But horrific right now. It was very fun that I was with Apple. We had a great time.
10:09:11 He has fantastic energy. Oh my gosh, Bailey is a gift. That's why I wanted her to be.
10:09:21 That we did planning for the housing fund board, which is gonna be a big meeting this week.
10:09:25 Agenda playing with Amy Howard and, then I had an only cat meeting. The they're using a company for hiring the executive director You wanna guess how much this company this
head hunter company costs?
10:09:40 250,000. 0 no, not that much. It's 30% of the annual wage.
10:09:48 That's that. You know, 1 1 20 to 1 50. Yeah, so I mean, 40, 50 grand.
10:09:57 Yeah, that's high. But it's say they do the non, I mean, we dickered back and forth, but yeah.
10:10:04 I am not a client. Are you flying? No, I'm involved in other searches that are not costing that much.
10:10:14 I offered other ones that I knew passed last but this you know there's this is what the cap agency's around with their WASCAP suggested to is this agency.
10:10:24 So they, you know, the, the posting went up this weekend, but already the agency was kind of reaching out to potential candidates.
10:10:31 So, you know, there's like a network, I guess, the value that they add. I don't know.
10:10:37 I'm, I will admit a little skeptical. And, but there's good, we've had some great applicants for the director of housing position as well.
10:10:44 So there's a really and finance director too. So I think I've heard all around that I think the Staffing is the Balances change a little.
10:10:55 There's more applicants going for positions than there were, you know, a couple of years ago.
10:11:02 Yeah. Are you getting really good applicants for jobs now? Let's see, Friday I met, oh my second.
10:11:10 Candidate for office, one of the legislative applicants. For coffee to introduce and then I'm walked over and saw Mike McGinn's, keynote address and the following one from Ana.
10:11:21 I can't remember last name at the T laps. I could spend, you know, until 11 o'clock there before I had to come back for county coordination.
10:11:28 You know, it's great. Of course the solutions all end at the city limits, but I'm used to that.
10:11:36 Density. It's just like the port. You know, I mean, easy to talk about that, but it's still that same stronger towns dynamic comes, you know, where, you know.
10:11:45 It's, you can have a smaller carbon footprint in the city and, yet we have a lot of rural areas that we have to, still find solutions for.
10:11:54 So that often feels like it's. Left out a little bit. That's been coming up at the straight year in as well.
10:12:02 Yeah. Reason it's called urban. That's such a bias. But I get email to.
10:12:14 Let's see and then I That was the county coordination. And then I went on KPTZ with Kathy Morgan with the basic question.
10:12:25 So how do you wanna shelter and kind of talked about the idea? And so we've spent half an hour just talking about some of the practical operations stuff.
10:12:35 And then we had their final recompete, meeting and final everything, except this letter I'm signing right now.
10:12:44 And I did go down Friday for the Statesman presentation at the Brennan Community Center. About, it was good.
10:12:53 I think a smaller crowd they've had the last couple of times. I think a lot of the participants you know, our folks that have properties really close that are really impacted
by the development as it goes forward.
10:13:04 I mean, There's quite some. Amenities going on. George was down there, George, Terry from DCD to Fantastic.
10:13:11 I think he was also with T-lab. I missed his talk in the morning. But, he, he did really good representing the county and, you know, there's questions about the settlement and
everything that had happened and, Carolyn's looking anxiously at yet.
10:13:33 And, yes dress cup again. So. I think they're doing it well.
10:13:46 It's a political thing too. I mean, like one statement that I asked a little bit about is like, oh, we were skipping building the large onsite septic and we're just gonna go
straight into a full wastewater treatment plant.
10:13:56 And we're gonna build lots of extra capacity. Anyone in the region needs access to, you know, we have lots of capacity.
10:14:04 I'm like, you know, they'll go right in check with your mouth. You can't, can't cash.
10:14:09 So there's a little bit of salesmanship going on, I guess is the point, but, yeah, they're, working hard and they have a 7 year wind horizon that they hope to get it built out
and the thing I was really excited about is you know they're building a factory to build the houses right so the 1st thing they build they have their plant manager was there at the
meeting and
10:14:27 they're gonna build modular buildings and they said they can build a house every 2 days. So like habitats already reach out about, so when you're done with that, you build 4
plexus for us and I ask them the same question, you know.
10:14:43 Well, you know. You know, that was me offering to see her outside the NPR boundaries.
10:14:49 You know, I mean, they've got a like a plan that they have to go through. They've got to build their internal stuff 1st and then the goal was something else goes there.
10:14:57 I'm not sure what I'm not sure if it's the ice skating rink slash indoor soccer field or one.
10:15:04 They have to build the amenities 1st and they're still doing that. The phasing is kind of change it, but they've got, you know, multiple pools down there.
10:15:10 They're going to be accessible to the folks of Brennan and Gols and as well as the ice skating soccer field inside and medical facilities including surgical facilities.
10:15:20 Yeah, I was like, those are like, you know. Required. Apparently, it's what statesman does though at all their facilities.
10:15:32 They so and supposedly Garth is Moving to Brennan, the chair of Statesman. So, and we've got our conversations going about South County deputy as well.
10:15:45 Of interest in that, especially with the case, you know, that happened last week where they a lot of stolen material from many people found.
10:15:52 I think the conversations are happening faster at the county already than they are there. You know, if you're talking 6 years, 7 years before you're really have built out to
the point, you know.
10:16:04 We're also interested and it was in our budget task last year and will be considered again at the.
10:16:09 Yeah. But really up to the sheriff. Much of a priority that is. A law enforcement officer that's also a security guard and you know how do you Make that match.
10:16:28 Okay. Is that the near week? No, I'm just, I'm just Saturday. I, you know, we had supper club, the men were cooking, so I had to come home and cook pretty quickly, but I did
go and saw the keynote presentation at the yeah, plus Scott and, Rose and, and Judy all talk.
10:16:50 Judy only pride one time, so it's pretty good, very restrained. Yeah, but it's a lovely just walking around. So it's pretty good, very restrained.
10:16:58 Yeah, but it, it's a lovely just walking around There was little prices in my daughter.
10:17:01 I tried to fly out and I didn't even get stopped by the county table, but so Kate, Kate there, yeah, I think I ran by as I was leaving because there was some, you know, team
crisis but It was, it's great, you know, I mean, I need lots of connections and.
10:17:13 I really enjoyed it. I'm so curious how the housing panel went. I was tabling so didn't get to see it but there were 14 people on the panel and, the other introduction.
10:17:25 So was their time for anything else. That's gonna report out. Maybe somebody will be able to go us in.
10:17:34 Okay, I'll see if I can. Let's see. So Monday here with you guys.
10:17:42 2. I'm meeting out at base side. And you know, it turned into with a personal meeting that turned into a good update on what's happening at Big Side.
10:17:55 So. Here I met them being the non housing housing commissioner all the time. That comes up everywhere. Okay.
10:18:02 And then, middle of the day met with Pinky and Amanda Grace. We are the 3 of us are the Board of Health sanitation subcommittee and we are killing it so far.
10:18:15 We, came up with answers for the Board of Health on the RV pumping situation. And you can do it.
10:18:24 Yeah, that was great. I mean, it was it just took getting the right people to have the right conversation.
10:18:30 Usually the case, right? So, and some willingness, you know, So now we're on to the question of how we handle sanitation on small lots and you know we have.
10:18:43 Pinky has confirmed that holding tanks are allowed but they're costly. So we're thinking about expanding the the sanitation subcommittee to have a broader conversation about
small lot development.
10:18:56 Including on along shorelines, but that's kind of the next piece of work for the Board of Health and we're going to bring that back to the Board of Health.
10:19:06 And, next. Update for the Board of Health. We're gonna bring it back to the Board of Health in June and that'll be the next time Pinky is available to be there.
10:19:13 Are you officially the poop commissioner now? If I'm not, I don't know who could be.
10:19:18 I would wrestle you guys. I wouldn't, I, I want a little honorary poo.
10:19:27 And having worked on the sewer. Okay, definitely is a poop. Wayne, just a little bit.
10:19:36 Cause I just, she's, you know, that's her short time right now. So someone's gotta pick up the mantle and bury the bucket.
10:19:41 So here it is, me. Let's see. And then I had a meeting with our Tim and Creek drainage district consultants and Mark and the team there to talk about our next steps which are
getting a survey out to all of the land owners in the drainage district and.
10:20:00 Peak sustainability in the process of drafting that survey as we speak. So and I am working on a postcard and the mailing list for that.
10:20:10 Postcard. We're also gonna send a snail mail postcard to everyone because we don't have emails.
10:20:16 For everyone in the drainage district. Right. Then we had Jefferson Transit Authority board meeting.
10:20:26 Wednesday morning got up and went to the tax lose breakfast which I was there just in the billing hour where I missed the road crew.
10:20:35 Okay, for the previous 3 years I've gotten there early enough for that, but or 2 years, but anyway.
10:20:46 Grateful that the county How's that event, Perk? And I keep hearing it used to be the commissioners that cooked all this food.
10:20:57 And so you'll hear. I remember they were director wasn't catered. Right. So staff on counting employees by per.
10:21:07 The county engineer was supposed to do it.
10:21:10 Sure. Is it the picnic where the commissioners cook the food? That gets thrown out to me a lot when I go to these events.
10:21:22 So I'm really trying to figure out. I wish somebody would let level set the truth and the reality on this.
10:21:30 From the assessor's office. No wait till my perk update for Thursday. So then we all had the budget meeting.
10:21:42 30 on Wednesday and then I had a call with one of my Co, DNR carbon forest management work group members.
10:21:53 There was a really poorly facilitated meeting our last meeting and so we're trying to salvage the effort.
10:21:59 We are salvaging that for, but it's unfortunately we're in that position. Then that was the Chinaman Power Teams coalition meeting and then in the evening the short time community
listening session.
10:22:11 For the port short farm steering committee group. Thursday I had an early morning meeting with a planning commission member then I had the perk meeting I went to this one because
next month is to Molly.
10:22:25 And I have a great team to roll to Miles with me to make the Tamali batter to roll the tamales and then to serve the tamales.
10:22:34 It's going to be a huge effort though. We're making 3 to 400 tamales.
10:22:43 Okay. Okay. You both up for shelter monitor possession. So.
10:22:53 Let's see. And then we had the Board of Health meeting. Oh, no, then.
10:22:59 Then I had a meeting with DNR to the heavy hitters at DNR. Just follow up on the last carbon forest management work group meeting and that was Interesting and I said, it's on
you guys because I missed that meeting.
10:23:11 They missed the last meeting. I said you guys, it's on you guys. You guys gotta pull this.
10:23:16 Ship back on course so their task with that for the next meeting. And I think we're throwing in another meeting.
10:23:23 So. This DNR task force work has become a quarter time job. Then we have the Board of Health meeting.
10:23:33 Then we had the, then we had the short, farm steering committee meeting on Thursday evening.
10:23:41 So it was. I'm sure it's for our meetings too. Back to back. Oh, so I gave you that one.
10:23:46 So then Friday. The last I promise I'll make it through it in the next few minutes.
10:23:53 I, Friday morning I traveled to blend and attended the Sailors Behavioral Health Administrative Services Organization.
10:24:03 Was a great conversation. We talked about Naloxone distribution. I just felt like there were a lot of things where, you know, I realized how commissioners can be helpful to
that group.
10:24:15 So. They've now got these things called Bernie boxes. These purple boxes that can serve as naloxone distribution sites.
10:24:22 Named after a children's television show? Same thing. Did not ask that question because there were so many other important questions to be asked.
10:24:34 And then let's see. Had a. Meeting with the prosecuting attorneys office on the drainage district.
10:24:45 Just there's a number of legal issues. Have come up around. The latent drainage district, which has been fallow.
10:24:54 I love all my farm and field metaphors lately because that's what I spend half my time on.
10:24:59 Is, it's been fellow since 1974. Just reminding people I was 3 year olds 3 years old when the drainage district went.
10:25:08 Dormant and you know it's potentially a really useful tool. As a drainage district or a flood control district or a watershed improvement district for the county and residents
of the district.
10:25:20 But we're just trying to figure out what the legal side bars are. So we've engaged.
10:25:26 Philip and Melissa and Melissa has officially grabbed the football and we are.
10:25:31 Attorney working on this issue with the drainage district team, which is great. So this was the most interesting intersection of meetings I had at the Sailors meeting and then
I got in my car and I did the drainage district meeting.
10:25:45 I drove across the street to. Chair of the Strait and Spring quarterly meeting at the Red Sleater Hall. Yeah.
10:25:52 And so that. Meeting went into the afternoon. It was also a really great meeting that I felt like.
10:25:59 We did not have enough time, which was awesome because it conversations there have become so meaningful for people that.
10:26:06 It's we're talking about making the meetings longer. Because there's usually about 20 stakeholders around the table and we didn't even get to report out this time.
10:26:18 So. And then, CBS meeting there next month, right? Yes, and we're hosting that.
10:26:24 Yeah. And we're looking for an ecosystem, services board. Member.
10:26:34 From local elected. Or is it? Yeah, local elected. So anyone's interested.
10:26:42 I'm not ready to volunteer for another board right now because I just got put on 2 more. It's a good one.
10:26:48 Yeah, I was in many years. Well, I'll consider it then. Then I came back for a meeting with, Mark and the sheriff and, in response to the letter we got from North West telling.
Oh, good. Yeah. Thanks for that.
10:27:07 I reached out to Sheriff Noel and then. Under Sheriff Prince Center came in and said, I got this one.
10:27:10 I have this little something I actually know some stuff about. So. He is taking this for that football and working with North West telling and other ones too, right?
10:27:21 It's not just Northwest T that's impacted by this. In the North West telling us a new owner.
10:27:29 I think they just don't understand all the moving parts and how the contracts work with counties and the state.
10:27:35 So Andy does have his head around that and he's gonna reach out to the North West telling gentleman and Have a conversation and help, you know, help them get their contracts
in order so that they do have contracts with the county and state way less people coming in.
10:27:54 Okay, then on Saturday I attended the dedication of the Marathon Fire Station crew quarters that East Jeffresses fire and rescue just completed out there with the help of the
Marathon Island Foundation and a army of volunteers and it was an awesome event.
10:28:10 She blacked it a stellar job as did all the other folks who've been involved with that project.
10:28:15 So is the theory there that if folks are on site, they can respond work. It is already proven to be true.
10:28:22 Volunteers working on getting the crew quarters up and running or responding to calls while they were there.
10:28:27 So they have things like Good. They have a kitchen, they have a ham radio station, they have decontamination ability out there so they have a lot of functionality at that fire
station now that's really come along in the last 5 years.
10:28:44 Super exciting. And then I did staff the connectivity fare from noon to 2. Along with Mark and Amanda Christopherson and had a million great conversations and I thought I should
go walk around the connectivity fair and I made it down.
10:29:01 One row and back. And I'm like, I gotta go, I have to be at my table.
10:29:06 So I did about an hour of networking and an hour of. Andring county questions and throwing frisbees.
10:29:15 Anyway, and I have confirmed that we do have a another full box of frisbees. Good.
10:29:20 So that was my weekend. I'm back in action folks after losing my mom 3 weeks ago. I had.
10:29:27 Have had moments of complete and utter grief and I still do and but I'm Kicking.
10:29:38 Let's see, jumped back in very quickly. I can take the time you need. No, I know.
10:29:50 And I'm yeah, a little worried about that. But thanks for everything you're doing. Probably the phase of grief I'm in right now.
10:29:58 I need to be this busy. Alright, just a couple of scheduling things. I did want to announce it got left off of our, calendar in the agenda accidentally, but the finance.
10:30:11 Meeting, which is a Really? Meeting that, myself, I'm, say, SAYS, IT, IS, tomorrow morning at 8 30, A.
10:30:23 And there's an open public meeting. Investments of the county. Under. It was my fault.
10:30:31 I'm not good at accepting everything. It's my fault. I'm not good at accepting everything. Okay. It's, you know, totally. I see it.
10:30:38 I'll be there. Like put all the money we can and LGIP and watch the money roll in.
10:30:47 Yes, it is. It was noticed. Couple of things. Just before we jump in.
10:30:55 Sorry, that's Eric. Couple of things. Just before we jump in, sorry, to Eric.
10:31:00 Would anyone mind if I jumped out apparently I'm needed, for an 11 to 1130 meeting.
10:31:08 Computers and partnership. I was hoping to not be needed, but I am. Would one of you be willing to chair and I'm sorry to miss the.
10:31:15 The human society discussion that really thrilled to see. The agreements on our agenda.
10:31:21 So is that, if I jumped out, I'm, I'm a dog. The dog's Yeah.
10:31:40 When I cry during that item, it's not about my mom. It's about all the dog.
10:31:45 And the cats. Yeah. And the cats. But here I'm here represent the cat. Okay.
10:31:52 Alright, so we have, Collet, C like from public works as well as Eric Kisma, our deputy director of public works, to discuss.
10:31:59 TRE, you remove all the brave souls. Yeah, the irony of asking for permission to cut trees and vegetation on Earth Day.
10:32:12 Okay. And asking this free hanging board to do that too. Do you have the names of all the trees as we go through this?
10:32:25 But a few little tiny trees. I have gone to the community meetings and this is a great project. So I'm just I have gone to the community meetings and this is a great project.
10:32:37 So I'm just I'm just teasing about 3, I mean being the number one. I'm just, I'm just teasing about 3, I mean, being the number one.
10:32:44 It's gonna like it so much pleasure from cross-section drawings of roads. It's just seems like, oh man, if everything could be laid out so clearly and when you know how it's
gonna work but please.
10:32:50 Yeah, the request. Public works is in the design phase of. The project that the board approved some time ago for improvement of bike and pedestrian facilities.
10:33:03 From the Chilacum Crossroads up to HJ Carroll Park. And most of the work related to that facility it's a multi-use trail separated from the highway by a swale.
10:33:20 Is going to happen in the state right of way. But our current design shows that there may be some minor cut and fill on the bring property, which is the Brooklyn.
10:33:35 Glenn Platt. Let me see.
10:33:43 It's just a scroll down, I think it's PDF. Yeah, so this is actually, superimposed layout of the design.
10:33:55 An aerial photo. Just a regular photo. Showing the travel line, the shoulder, the swale, piping swale.
10:34:08 This would actually be the and a shoulder. On. I'm sorry, a trail shoulder. And that says it's a 2 foot shoulder, but that little line is so narrow.
10:34:24 It was that's why we're here today, right? Well, actually the shoulder will actually be on the state right of way.
10:34:34 What we're here today to talk about are some. Fills that may take place. To the right of the shoulder in the on the lots.
10:34:43 So that's So the shoulder to the road is actually more narrow and then that where there is shoulder now will be turned into a swale.
10:34:57 Is that right? The travel lane with. Reduce, reduce, all, travel, and, travel, and, just, surprisingly, what should have been or seemed to be such a simple project.
10:35:11 Nearly 2 years of trying to shoe or into that. So you're narrowing it not because of speed concerns but just because of the fitting the trail in.
10:35:23 You'll have a secondary benefit of reducing speed. Research the demonstration for road diet before you think.
10:35:34 It's just where the stripe is, but yeah, if you're stuck between 2 really wide lines or not stuck, they're, you're stuck between 2 really wide lines or not stuck, they're, to
drive faster.
10:35:42 If you've got to keep it between lines. Conversation as a commissioner about reducing the width of a state highway.
10:35:50 How's that going with the state? Well, that's part of what took us all this time.
10:35:56 That and then, trail with is should be 10 they've actually bought it up to 11 so we had to get it down to 8 to get it to fit and then it should have a shoulder on both sides.
10:36:08 But we're using the swale on the left side and that cross section satisfy the shoulder requirement for the trail.
10:36:16 The road. So again, shoe warning it in there. So let me go to the.
10:36:25 This was the plot of Brooklyn. On my way. Along here and the plot when it was, approved in 1970, called for a green belt, a 20 foot green belt that I highlighted in yellow here
along that highway right of way.
10:36:49 We couldn't find anything in the files to talk about. Or to explain or justify why that green belt was set up.
10:36:58 There's not a homeowners association. The restrictions on that green belt. Are related to cutting trees and vegetation giving the board of county commissioners the sole right
to approve to give permission for cutting of any vegetation in that green belt.
10:37:21 The green belt extends over each lot. It's not a separate community owned green belt.
10:37:29 It's just 20 feet. On the westerly side of each of those blocks that abut the highway.
10:37:35 So.
10:37:39 The actual restriction is under a section called protective covenants and if you could read this it said no cutting of.
10:37:49 Trees or brush. Area. With that, permission to the board of carry motion. Oh yeah.
10:38:06 Yeah. Power. Okay. Yeah, that.
10:38:15 So, so we're here today because we're anticipating the possible need of doing some minor cutting and filling in that green belt area.
10:38:28 And before we approach the neighboring property owners to start negotiating for acquisition of temporary construction easements from each of those.
10:38:41 We want to make sure that We have the county commissioner's permission if we're successful in negotiating easements to remove.
10:38:52 Whatever vegetation is needed for. The project. There was a question of whether we should negotiate those easements 1st and then come back for information.
10:39:05 The egg thing but well that was my question is what have you talked with the property owners yet so i know we've had community meetings and I know a number of folks showed up
and some were, I, there was that picture with the road that runs internal to this development.
10:39:26 Brooklyn. Yeah, that's. Yeah, and there was some interest and why couldn't you use, and then there was some people who were like, Don't use Fern Way.
10:39:36 And so. I'm a imagining there'll be input about. Folks, encroaching on folks.
10:39:44 What they consider their property because they're not thinking about these. Restrictive covenants, right?
10:39:50 And then I think that some of those lots. Have built into those. Green areas because when you drive down the road there you can see some people are built out right up to the
edge of the property.
10:40:10 Yeah, you even see some fences in this. Area photo. So that's gonna be an interesting.
10:40:20 Are you gonna stick with us for that piece of work, Celeste? Collect, sorry.
10:40:26 Well, we'll have to see about that. No, okay. Yeah, you can kind of see a fence right in.
10:40:36 I'm not sure that's in or out of the 20 foot zone. Couple of things.
10:40:40 We did obviously look at use of Fern Way as the alignment for this. Not motorized trail, our concern was all of the driveways that people will be back out of the driveway.
10:40:55 Right. To that and from the safety point of view. Right now I think the kids do use Furn Way.
10:41:04 But once we have this multimodal trail. I suspect it will get more leaves than that neighborhood.
10:41:14 It's a very logical concern. Yeah, the driveway sent makes complete sense. So. And our use of the property.
10:41:20 Again, these would be temporary construction. So, not a permanent encumbrance on the property.
10:41:30 So, you know, not the same impact to those property owners as a permanent easement would be or any.
10:41:39 Actual improvements to that area. The number of trees. Fairly small.
10:41:49 We don't think it will, you know, significantly impact the visual from the highway into that. Development.
10:41:57 Which you know. Based on the record that we have, I think the intent of that green belt was really more to provide a visual barrier in between the highway and the development
rather than to preserve some you know, that's just based on the fact that the board was given permission.
10:42:20 Allow cutting of the vegetation as opposed to a homeowner's association as opposed to a homeowner's association or Sure.
10:42:30 That's, that's, what, what, IT, IT, IT, IS, IN, THE, CUTTING, we would need to do would be part of the temporary construction.
10:42:37 Activities? Yes. Okay.
10:42:43 I'm happy to make a motion. I'm happy to move that we approve signing the attached permission to remove trees and shrubs from the Brookwood Glenn Bell area to accommodate a
public works project.
10:43:00 Thank you for your clear staff work on this Colette and I'm also happy to second that motion.
10:43:05 Great. A little further discussion. I, if we could just go back to Heidi's question about, outreach to landowners.
10:43:13 Has any of that happen? Just curious your impressions. It's a little premature for us to start approaching regarding acquisition of easement. I don't think, all of the environmental
review has changed in place yet.
10:43:31 So. We're sensitive to, the rules regarding starting negotiations versus having all of the environmental documentation approved.
10:43:39 We have had some outrage of meeting that the the Bay Area community center. I think one person showed up from that but again we were anticipating Starting to approach property
owners and have them say, well, wait a minute.
10:43:59 Don't you need county to meet county commissioner at Google? Yeah, or you get there. So yeah.
10:44:08 It's just nice for us to have that box checked. You know, as we go into negotiations.
10:44:13 So the answer is no, we haven't had direct one on one. Communications with the property owners.
10:44:21 Yeah. This is just one step in the process. And box to check. All right.
10:44:30 Any further discussion? Thank you. I have a motion, please, and to keep by saying I.
10:44:40 Right, we. Probably should wait until 11 for an extra agenda item since we have it marked on here.
10:44:49 So you don't mind 3rd with us another 13Â min. And you've got time for breaking then.
10:44:55 Yes, I will do my briefing last week was a bit of a funny week. My husband had COVID and so I was continuously like, should I be going to this meeting and do I feel sick and
so I was continuously like, should I be going to this meeting and do I feel sick?
10:45:11 I'm testing multiple times a day. Yeah, yeah, we successfully isolated. So here with you on Monday, Monday afternoon, I went up to, See you where I was.
10:45:26 Doing a secret Washington cigarette advisory board meeting. Did meet with dear friend who is the housing director for city of Bellingham.
10:45:36 My takeaway from that conversation is adult family homes. Have landed on that as a real sweet spot. How's that different than a boarding house?
10:45:46 Well, there's a funding mechanism associated with them. So for reference services. Type that is, can be, certain services can be reimbursed, but they have found that to be a
real sweet spot for the right scale for people to get the background services that they need but be in a residential environment.
10:46:11 So, I'll be just digging into that a little bit more. Olympic angels, right?
10:46:19 Yeah, exactly. Okay. So Tuesday all day with Washington Sea Grant.
10:46:29 Interestingly, the president's proposed budget for fiscal year 25 cuts all of their funding for the shellfish programs.
10:46:38 That's 1 of their more active programs. We have referenced many times in our So, and that'd be a real loss.
10:46:49 So we'll be advocating when I'm back in DC. Try to share that that stays in the budget, the president's budget is usually not.
10:46:55 Does that look anything like? Budget. When they when they pass the budget. So.
10:47:02 I'm sorry to miss the transit board meeting, but, needed to be in, C grants that time.
10:47:12 Let's say budget meeting. Important to call out, continued. Drops in sales tax, recording fees.
10:47:22 And we are. Looking at pretty significance. Shortfall in revenues to our budget. So, you want to sales tax?
10:47:36 Yeah, it is declining continues to decline. Right. I don't wanna call out the, 8, 80,000 if we were to continue on this trajectory.
10:47:48 Shortfall for the year. One little nursing that with Stacey listening, but.
10:47:53 So, something to be aware of and keep in mind. Coordinating council. Board of directors meeting.
10:48:05 Couple things to be aware of. I think I mentioned to you that, we plan on expanding the service area of our in the, the mitigation program.
10:48:15 To allow for more mitigation from the. Bonneville Power Line project that they are doing.
10:48:23 So they want to. Mitigate and have to mitigate within. Service area that they are in and so want to expand it so that all the way to Clown County right now that.
10:48:34 Service area ends around, I believe. And this would. Go all the way up and around.
10:48:45 That's good news for us. Mitigation. So, more to come on that probably need some authority to do that from us.
10:48:56 The child care facility project running into some challenges. Mark, you and I should probably meet with the childcare team and Judy to think about how we're gonna manage the
cash flow.
10:49:15 It's hard these reimbursement based projects. Yeah. It's a tricky and with so many players involved.
10:49:24 Thunders and, Piscally responsible agents. So, you know, county applied for some funding.
10:49:30 Hospital applied for something. So it's It's complicated. Be warned, we're gonna have to put our heads together on that.
10:49:41 Thursday morning I've been, volunteering a little bit at Salish Coast with their bike safety class.
10:49:47 I've been volunteering a little bit at Salish coast with their bike safety class. So it's funny. Get to go play with some kids and bikes for an hour.
10:49:53 Once a week Especially when it's beautiful spring days. Board of Health, Yeah, anything to report out on.
10:50:03 We didn't really take action. I heard learned about the County Health rankings. And of course the public health heroes and such a diverse group of folks in the community were
honored for their contributions to public health and you know so fun to see just how.
10:50:19 Many people contribute to. Our communities help in ways that, you know, I forget, like, I love that somebody, somebody nominated.
10:50:29 Schultz, excavation for their work on. the cost share program for septic system.
10:50:37 I've made that connection, but@firstst And solid waste, you know, I mean, the people say, what's public health?
10:50:43 I mean, a lot of things that you don't even imagine. Exactly. Great trip to, to the transfer station on Saturday too.
10:50:53 I'll tell you about that minute. It involves some folly on my part. Let's see, Friday had a, I've been to announced this when Eric was here and it's the regional transportation
planning organization meeting.
10:51:11 We were able at the last minute to get the, Mill road. Design project listed on the, regions state mobility.
10:51:22 Priority list or our local list, and they funds, great mobility projects. Trying to make it a better design than the one that washed out proposed, which we're all a little doing
a little bit about.
10:51:43 So, thanks to PRTPO for letting us do a late addition, see if King did all the work to get that submitted. And County. So that was accepted.
10:51:55 The trouble was I needed to be at PPO to. Present that project which meant I missed the, beginning of the move ahead, 2020 transportation planning conference, which is, I had
to go into the, our quarterly.
10:52:12 County coordination meeting on the roundabout front I just wanna say the roundabout at The co-OP that saver is looking a lot better.
10:52:25 I'm gonna be the one person in the community to say that roundabout is looking better because it was the markings have gone down and it's a lot more easy to navigate.
10:52:33 People will have an easier time navigating that roundabout even though it's. I'm not a compromise one, I think.
10:52:40 I do not find it that difficult, but. Very, more tolerant of them. I don't know.
10:52:47 I'm just trying to be positive. And yes, that better. Yes. My transportation story involves.
10:53:00 Biggest news from the Kenny Cordnation meeting is we have planned for road.
10:53:09 So it sounds like there is interest in kind of status quo staying with our entry. There was not interest from anyone in using cars this time.
10:53:15 Although we did meant, you know, just mentioned we should, we'll keep the car available for, anyone who has mobility Counties.
10:53:26 Email from Rody. So who's gonna coordinate? Cause I coordinated last year with Rody.
10:53:31 Generally we just go in on the sheriff's, entry. I think we had our own entry last year.
10:53:38 We were not, yeah, so maybe I'll fit forward it to. I, I can do it.
10:53:44 I usually check in the free time until I were gonna join the share up again. Okay, I'll forward to that email.
10:53:49 Okay, thank you. And as usual, you know. Kids invited, we'll have the, banner and.
10:53:58 Yeah. There was definitely interest from a number of different factors. You know, we generally don't ask staff to join because that feels like a work application so that people
are welcome to join us if they like.
10:54:10 Saturday, what's the connectivity fair? It's great. Spent a few hours there and, yeah.
10:54:20 Have many great conversations.
10:54:25 Sorry to miss the housing panel. But yeah, no, just really good all around. After the connectivity fair.
10:54:34 What's the transfer station? Entered entered the roundabout near the cop did that hard right turn in the old barbecue at the back of my truck fell out.
10:54:48 The the strap that I and I was in an unfamiliar truck and you know, maybe not paying enough attention, user error for sure.
10:54:59 And so fell out of the truck, smashed, you know, to bits in the road and 2 trucks stopped right behind me, early strong guys.
10:55:11 They picked up that barbecue like, you know, wait, and down. I struggle to get in the check.
10:55:17 They just picked it up and threw it like it was nothing. Picked up all the debris, put it in and I was embarrassed and tumbled and, very impressed that they were, that they
were so cheerful about helping out and it was like done in a flash.
10:55:33 So, there was some good for any picture they can post to that roundabout. I'm glad it was quickly negotiated. Yeah. And I got to the transfer station. I couldn't believe it.
10:55:52 I'm glad it was quickly negotiated. Yeah. And I'm glad it was quickly negotiated. Yeah.
10:55:56 And I got, up in the round about gold. I'm glad it was quickly negotiated. Yeah.
10:55:59 And I got to the transfer station. I couldn't believe it. Saturday afternoon. It was, empty.
10:56:02 There was no, no line. My 1st trip to the transfer station on, Saturday as well.
10:56:06 We had a wine cooler, the transfer station on, Saturday as well. We had a wine cooler and the compressor broke and I can't buy Hmm, went under the garbage.
10:56:13 Yeah, very helpful. Oh, very helpful. Yeah, great team out there right now. Yeah.
10:56:19 Yep, very smooth experience. And very affordable. And a number of heavy things in there and I still was the minimum.
10:56:25 20 bucks. I was prepared to pay a lot more. Well, the weight went up too. We increase the cost.
10:56:34 We also, the amount to 240 pounds. No, I can't remember. I was just prepared to pay 60 bucks.
10:56:47 So that is it for my last week.
10:56:56 So maybe, we're just a few minutes ahead of our 11 o'clock.
10:57:01 Right, I'm sitting in one on a little. Yeah, yeah. Well, Jed and Pam get set up maybe for the presentation.
10:57:10 Okay, and we're gonna take a quick recess until 11 o'clock, Perfect. I'll be back before 1130.
11:00:45 And looking. Nice.
11:00:53 Alright.
11:00:57 I mean, you're ready, Karen? Alright, it is 11 am. The clock tower told us so I'll call this meeting back into session and we'll.
11:01:07 We're here for a long awaited discussion of potential action regarding the operating agreement for the Jefferson County Animal Shelter and related services.
11:01:16 We're joined by, of course, Mark Collie has been doing the work on this from the county side.
11:01:20 Thank you, Mark, as well as Ginger Pree. The fair 90 days in a new executive director of the Jefferson County Humane Society.
11:01:31 Yeah, yeah, looking for housing. It's always, yeah. And of course, Pam Felicity, the board president as well.
11:01:33 So, I don't know, Mark, do you wanna introduce just couple of words? I think, Greg, you said the longer waited, long anticipated and this is something IT happened long ago.
11:01:45 Caring for. For animals that are abandoned or they're found in a while that need care.
11:02:01 And this is a governmental function and the county up until now has, Actually, you charge them to the privilege of using our facility and we're gonna flip the table.
11:02:12 And, we're gonna pay them, to begin with, 50,000. And then January of next year, you'll send us an invoice for the utilities for this year and then we'll reimburse you for that.
11:02:26 And so. So this year the cost will be about 50,000 and then in January of 2025 it'll be around 1630,000 and then there's an escalation clause in the for the annual payment goes
up 3% a year.
11:02:44 And so, Anyway, I'm glad you're here and I'm gonna turn the floor over to you so that you can request the board and let the public know that they don't know already what it
is you do and, Can I ask one question on that preamble mark?
11:02:58 You said that next year it would be 63 but in the Very long. A great. 53 in there.
11:03:09 Increments. And there's utilities. We're gonna get find out what utilities are.
11:03:17 100, and 50 will escalate at 3%. Right, but so on page 3 of 24 of the agreement, it says The county shall provide 50,000 per year and 2024 increasing 3% and every subsequent
year to covered by this agreement.
11:03:33 For clarity, these amounts are 2,02551, 5. 51,500.
11:03:37 But you just said 63. I think that's the utilities added. Okay, so that's estimate with estimated utilities.
11:03:47 I just need to clarify that. Yeah. And, About 12,000. So that's kind of our business. I just thought if anyone was reading that that wasn't clear.
11:04:00 There wasn't a bright line between those 2 numbers. So. Well, we're happy to be here.
11:04:05 We have not said. Tragic photos. So we are not going to pull her strings so you can relax.
11:04:19 Yeah, this, you know, we were here last fall and we're. Happen to the, to developing an agreement that actually you know, some some funding for for our programs.
11:04:31 We Well, you think the agreement before you today will be really beneficial to our important work. For the community and we're very grateful to Mark for his Thank you for asking
some good questions.
11:04:50 So it took a while and then the legal department got hold of it and it took a little longer but We think that in addition to getting so much needed financial support.
11:05:02 You know, the new agreement updates the code references and includes, through management. Language and I think spells out nicely the expectations for.
11:05:14 In both parties. Yeah, and Kuno's to, for his work on this agreement.
11:05:24 So I don't have all that a lot more to say except, we're happy to be welcomed and, I will introduce a little more our new executive director, Jen, Dupri.
11:05:35 As you know, she started in January, she's got a solid background in shelter management and has already made a lot of positive changes.
11:05:44 At the shelter. So we're looking forward to our partnership with with Jefferson County and to providing more and better services for all the folks.
11:05:54 In the county and then I'll try it over to Jen unless there any questions yet but we'll be we're happy to answer anything when we get done with the presentation.
11:06:07 Yeah, so my name is Jen. I'm very happy to be here. I have been with the, May, 75% county since late January of this year.
11:06:17 I previously was at society's 38, for years and had a long history with nonprofits in general but particularly in the animal welfare industry.
11:06:25 So, as we mentioned, there's been a lot of groundwork that's been laid for me as I came into this role and there's been a lot of time and patience involved with working through
this contract and putting the agreement that was being proposed today.
11:06:39 So my goal here today is really to talk to you guys a little bit more about what we do at the shelter, services that we do provide for the events and what the financial support
that is outlined in this contract will enable us to do more of.
11:06:53 So I've prepared a very quick presentation. So I'll find any questions that you guys may have.
11:06:58 As I said, there's no pictures or anything. It's really more of a statistic based or so you guys have a really good idea of what it is that we're looking to do and how you're
going to be supporting us with you choose from the forward disagreement.
11:07:09 So that's jump right in. Thank you. So our vision, we, just confer, division, and mission statement, with shelter.
11:07:23 So, HSGCWA, and visions a future in which all the Canadian animals receive compassionate care and appropriate housing.
11:07:28 And we are a mission to improve the lives of companion animals and people through community engagement and education. Ownership and providing high quality public services that
support animal welfare.
11:07:41 So let's look a little bit about what those services are. So these are a few of the ways that we currently serve the residents of our enemy.
11:07:50 One of the biggest ones is spay and, surgery. So this is based on native from 2021 through 2023.
11:07:57 So the annual average number of surgery that we perform per year is about 655. And out though was roughly 75% served people in time residents of our community Thank you guys
weren't aware, the current running calls, at a spay, adding credit, and refunding is anywhere from 800 to $1,000 for a dollar.
11:08:19 Our surgeries not only include the actual surgery itself, but we also microchip and vaccinate and we can take prevention and parasite prevention and all that is for a significantly
lower cost.
11:08:33 As someone is participated in that super grateful before I was commissioner. Got my new puppy. Anyway, and he's a joy, so big part of that joy, getting him taken care of properly
in the initial months of his life.
11:08:48 Yes, by you guys. We also administer roughly 827 vaccines per year, as well as, inserting microships, which really helps with reuniting that for their owners when they do need
them lost.
11:09:03 We issue roughly 900 licenses per year to resident animals particularly for dolls it's not required Right now.
11:09:12 We also, about 360 adoptions or rehoming for a year. The majority of those are adoptions to individual pet owners with rehoming sometimes we will transfer angles out to other.
11:09:28 Organizations that are very quick or have more services or, support in order to maybe and I don't need that those individual answers.
11:09:33 And then we also do what we call in the life services. So, individual owners can, across, euthanasia, if they're peers, at the end of life, and work by the, and we typically
do about 64 of those per year, which is something that a lot of people want to talk about.
11:09:49 Is a sad thing, but it's something that's very necessary. The cost of free nation varies greatly.
11:09:58 The cost of people need to very greatly at local veterans as well, but it's much more expensive than what we offer to the general public, especially in times when they are breathing.
11:10:05 So even though we provide all the services and it's wonderful that we're able to do that, there's still a greater need in our community.
11:10:14 So a few pieces of that are the visible capacity of our current facility. So a few pieces of that are the visible capacity of our current facility.
11:10:20 We see about 650 animals. With that there are still typically 10 to 15 dogs on our week list wanting to come in to be refunded at any given time.
11:10:30 We try to cycle through those as quickly as we can, but length of stays up. Partially because of the, so there is no isolation or quarantine area and our facility, really for
cats or dogs, but particularly for cats, infection.
11:10:50 GI infections, which they makes the week of save for the zoom longer, which means we can get, you, we're in most through our doors.
11:10:55 So that way this continues to grow. Overpopulation is still something that we are battling, especially in the far borders of our county where they are underfunded and are under
served and they're really lacking outreach and those standard services that are just foxes out also the population continues to build and build.
11:11:12 So those are the 3 key areas where we really need more support and able to reach out to the community to help solve these issues.
11:11:20 So. Your support, this contact would enable us to do many things, but to summarize that. Additional, line housing with isolation, areas.
11:11:33 So we are the beginning stages of researching this, but we are looking to put roughly a 400 square foot, prefabricated modular building on the site, the current facility that
we have to be dedicated to housing only dogs, which increases small, but it's an increase in our physical capacity.
11:11:52 So we currently have 10 indoor a, which doesn't sound like a lot, it's just to increase, which doesn't sound like a lot, it's just to increase, but that's 2 more dogs that are
coming off of a week goes to regularly as we.
11:12:10 And then what's the capacity for cats. I mean the number of cats you can house in that.
11:12:13 Modular. It varies. For a week in house currently in that modular, we would have to also get additional kennels.
11:12:26 Contacts. How many do you traditionally have in the shelter like you said I think there was 10 dogs or 10 or 12 dogs.
11:12:37 No, there's just a lot now. There's just a dog patch, but usually the.
11:12:41 See if we house about 40 pounds right now. And there's no separate area to house them. I'm just behind our front desk sometimes.
11:12:58 Space for cats and better space for cats. That's what I'm hearing. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it goes in line with our.
11:13:08 Community outreach would also be supported by this contract. So West Jefferson County, as I mentioned earlier, is very underserved underfunded when it comes to not only spay
and uter services, but just general but services in general.
11:13:20 So we would be able to travel out to those areas. The, information get on what exactly that looks like, but we do have plans and the works to be able to travel out there ideally,
but we do have plans and works to be able to travel out there ideally, at least once a month at the very beginning just to be able to travel out there ideally at least once a month
at the very beginning just to start vaccine and
11:13:34 microchip planet so we can cut down on the number of animals that are spreading disease and also the number of animals that are just being lost because they wondered all and
they can't be reunited with their owner because there's no way to trace them back.
11:13:45 So we would like to be able to go out there and do spam and group plants as well as vaccine and microchip clinics for the far corners of our county.
11:13:52 So the Schwer is not going to be able to be moved. We would be looking@firstst
11:14:18 The far western area, but certainly the entire along with community outreach, we have a program on once last litter.
11:14:31 And basically the way that works is if someone has a, email dog or cat, you'll continue to set up after Twitter, generally, because they can't afford to stay a nuder, then we
will spade off and we will take the last layer that they have and give them stay under, microchip vaccinated and for adoption.
11:14:47 So we would like to highlight that program a little bit more and if we have more money to support it and we can get this down a little bit faster but down on the overpopulation.
11:14:54 And lastly, proactive owner week home name. So. What we're looking to do and it might sound a little odd at first, st but we're trying to have fewer animals come into the shelter.
11:15:06 All of a sudden show all the experience that I have at other shelters show that if you were, So we're looking to increase support for our lost and bound the animals.
11:15:16 We currently do a lot on social media. We don't have a lot of ways for anyone to look for these animals.
11:15:22 There's bullets and boards. There's a couple of lost or found, pages on Facebook, but they're not really fully utilized.
11:15:28 So this would allow us to, increase the support for self rehoming, which is another thing sort of up and coming in the animal welfare industry by giving the community members
resources of here's where you can go.
11:15:39 These are embedded websites and there's that in ways for you to start the process of self renewing your animal that you can't care for anymore.
11:15:47 Instead of just being stuck on our week list for once on end. It would also allow us to purchase software, it would improve communication with volunteers and community members
to do more, public education outreach as well.
11:16:01 And that is it for the. Well, I have some questions. One of the slides I think you showed said.
11:16:15 Like there's 360 dogs adopted kind of on average per year and 650 dogs come in.
11:16:22 So I'm just wondering what happens to that other 300. So 360 animals total is not.
11:16:30 Okay. And we have about 650 animals total that come through our doors. Okay. So the majority of them are adopted or sometimes transferred to other organizations and any of them
are reunited as well.
11:16:42 So when it comes to the outcome of that we do, you can, adequately support in our software.
11:16:52 Because of that. But our, lifesaving rates is Pretty impressive. We're at about a 95% life saving rate.
11:17:04 Walk out with a live outcome. Whether that be adopting to any live outcome.
11:17:15 Whether that be adopting to a new phone, transferring somewhere else or being returned to their owner.
11:17:18 How many what percentage do you think are returned to the owner? Because I would assume that would be the majority.
11:17:20 You know, I'm trying to think about I just ring a lot of statistics on Friday. This presentation.
11:17:24 I don't know exactly, but I would say at least a solid 30% or so, which It's good, but, compared to a lot of other, organizations because we don't have a lot of, microchipping
going on.
11:17:37 We don't have a lot of that support that I just talked about. That number could definitely be increased if we had more support for the community to be reunited with their.
11:17:45 Gotcha. I love the program too, you know, self homing, you know, an animal that you can't care for anymore.
11:17:52 That seems great. You know, anytime you can shorten that chain, it's really good for the animal too. I know.
11:17:57 I guess I'm curious. In your mission and vision, you talked about companion animals and that was, I mean, I think I understand it, but I'm wondering if you can just.
11:18:06 Drill into that and vis the mission of the main society specifically because there's you know when you talk about lost animals and you know there's lots of feral animals too
you know like bunnies and had luck I don't know but do you talk about the nexus with companion animals and what those are.
11:18:27 Don't have appropriate housing or space to do any other species. It could also be containing animals like rabbits, livestock and guardian animals, pocket pets, users, reptiles,
that sort of thing.
11:18:39 So all of those are companion animals, but we are only set up right now. Sir, cats and dogs.
11:18:46 We also have a barcat program that goes into that. So even our who can't be housed indoors for various reasons.
11:18:55 They still fall under the companion, category. And that's really just a term that is used in animal welfare.
11:19:02 It's not specific to a particular species. Okay. Okay, other questions?
11:19:09 No, I mean, how much does the spay and neutral cost? You're not low income at the That's the Humane Society versus the 8 or $900.
11:19:17 So due to Washington, well not just Washington National, but Washington State wall, we're not able to perform surgeries and she fall under the low income status.
11:19:26 Oh, gotcha. Okay. What does that like under 100% of AMI or what's the special?
11:19:36 That's 80%. I have to go back and check. We are.
11:19:43 Yeah, roughly 75. 0, the others are just people that you have to do it as an animal that comes in.
11:19:52 Other owner or who are stories that we need for adoption. So that's what makes up the others 25%.
11:19:59 Isn't a neuter much less invasive than a than a spade? Do they cost about the same?
11:20:07 Yeah, for my own education. Any other questions? Wow, I appreciate Mark. I know this has been a long time coming.
11:20:17 You know, we definitely, it's great to be. How this investment in our, society can pay dividends.
11:20:21 Downstream as well. And you know, of course that we just decommissioned your public road, right?
11:20:30 Yeah, but don't worry. We're still gonna take here. Benefit to having the humane society operating and operating as effectively as possible.
11:20:45 And one of that is their partnership with our JCSO, Animal Enforcement Officer, and that's that's quite a bit of work.
11:20:54 And I was wondering if you can care the 24 7 drop offs and I wonder if you could characterize it all that that.
11:20:58 How much that line of business brings to you. In terms of the number of animals. The animal enforcement officer at JCSO.
11:21:11 I mean, how, how often do you see that? We don't see Eric that often, I would say on average, you know, really didn't have a long time of year to there's a cycle that goes with
that, especially with kittens, I don't just breaking up now.
11:21:25 But I would say on average, you probably see. 3 to 4 dogs a month, I'm in.
11:21:33 Fewer cats come from animal control. Yeah.
11:21:40 Okay. I feel like you already answered this, but you're a cat person or a dog person.
11:21:52 I have a cat, but I'm actually gonna split 50 50. My dog passed away a few years ago.
11:21:55 In position to adopt another dog. Yeah. Bam. One of each at the moment.
11:22:03 I mean, I have both too, but you know, they've always have a favorite kid, don't you?
11:22:08 Yeah, I honestly don't. I like them equally. I mean, I like both dogs and cats too, but I always thought I was a dog person.
11:22:17 I recently discovered, though I have both, you know, livestock dogs and you know inside dogs and I am a cat person.
11:22:22 Much better at training a cat than a dog dogs and inside dogs and I am a cat person. Yeah.
11:22:25 Much better at training a cat than a dog. Yeah, no, I mean, repetition and everything.
11:22:31 Yeah, no, it's, and I'm also really bad at training dogs. And I might just have lower standards for training.
11:22:37 I'm definitely personally a dog person, but. Adore cats as well and realized recently that I have quite a few cat people in my family.
11:22:48 And this came up because we were having a conversation and I learned about Oh, and I'm like, you paid how much to have a cadial though.
11:23:04 I have an indoor outdoor cat person. I have an indoor outdoor cat person. Yeah, I'm like, but I was like, fancy patio So I think, you know.
11:23:06 It's important to have love for both. And all the other critters that are out there. We have a parrot at our house.
11:23:14 Yeah.
11:23:15 Paying an annual for generations, right? But I'm happy to make a motion that we approve an operating agreement for the Jefferson County Animal Shelter and related services.
11:23:32 Alright, I'll second it today. One more question. Attention that I've encountered with the Humane Society years past is the need and the requirement to license dogs when so
few dogs are licensed and I'm just wondering if you can you know in the rural area and folks feel like you know.
11:23:49 I feel like it's an additional burden. So make the case for me why folks that are out in rural Jefferson County should be licensing their dogs.
11:23:59 Well, for one, the unification, especially if the dog is not microchipped and often times that support relation, we see is if they're not licensed, they're also not microchips.
11:24:11 So if your dog wanders off, if someone drives by and they think it's a street, you know what's right outside your property line and they pick it up and bring it to us.
11:24:16 That's how we get you back in touch with. We have regular got license so we can make contact and keep it all out in the shelter.
11:24:23 Thank you, Jen. It's a great reason. Yeah, that's a great reason. Okay.
11:24:30 I don't think we needed public comments in front of this. It was well posted before, so I will call the question.
11:24:35 Just making sure that it wasn't listed. All in favor of the motion on the floor indicate by saying aye.
11:24:39 Aye. Alright, we have a new agreement. Thank you so much. Yeah, great to meet you, Jen. Nice to see you again, Pam.
11:24:46 And, happy to be supporting that the Human Society as we should. Yeah, and work. You missed a great presentation.
11:24:58 Okay, when we're looking for housing, are you looking for the in Port Townsend and the ideally?
11:25:06 Go back. Okay. Thank you so much. Okay.
11:25:17 Yeah. So let me get back. We did approve the operator agreement. Yes, we did.
11:25:32 Thank you. After the hard questions. Okay. Alright, Go on.
11:25:45 Nice work, Mark. I know you've been working on this for a while. So, he's got so much he's juggling.
11:25:58 Mark, do you want to do some briefing from last week? Sure.
11:26:12 Alright, well on Monday the 15th of of course, of the, day and then. Commissioner Brotherton had a Zoom Meeting with.
11:26:25 Strategize the first, st aquatic center task force meeting. It was a great meeting.
11:26:30 I thought. And then on Tuesday. Some of this is already been talking about. We have the chimney coming creek, the drainage district, meeting, with our consultant and with other
important folks.
11:26:50 Good talk about a path forward.
11:26:54 And then at 2 o'clock, 18 meeting.
11:26:57 With Aaron and John, Kevin Street's been traveling a lot, so he's been missing these, eighteen, ings on a regular basis.
11:27:06 And then. And then I met with staff from the Central Services Department to talk about reorganization.
11:27:13 And Fancy's departure.
11:27:17 Then on Wednesday we had our initial text blues breakfast, which I thought was outstanding. Nice social And then at 8 30 we met with the fraternal order of police and support
services staff to begin negotiations and my sense is that We were going to conclude and agreement with them pretty quickly.
11:27:45 And they did not have a lot on their list and we presented the wage. Offered to them and Got a pretty good reception based on reading the room.
11:27:57 Okay.
11:28:03 Pretty empty day. This agenda for D with Kate and afternoon. On Friday. And we met with the gravity software people.
11:28:13 Have to go over the final terms of their offer and then I switched to a meeting with, Veronica Shaw, Apple Martine and, Philippine Sucker to talk about the draft.
11:28:27 Policy regarding signage. That's remains a very touchy issue. And then, another meeting on the drainage district and that was, like you said, with Melissa Plyman.
11:28:44 And so, to begin. Look for answers to the legal questions that have been posed. Then the the quarterly county coordination.
11:28:59 Then the, inf, infounded vehicle discussion with the share. Into the end of writing.
11:29:08 Okay. And then we saw you at the connectivity fair on Saturday. I made it through the whole room because I don't know everyone.
11:29:22 It was astounding how many people I knew. Yeah, and just the like. Yeah, it's supposed to be for the public to come and learn, but like everybody the participants.
11:29:43 Yeah. And then of course everybody, you know, with 6 different hats. Yeah. And then of course everybody, you know, it's 6 different hats.
11:29:51 Like, everybody, you know, it's 6 different hats. Like, we all sat at different tables throughout the day.
11:29:53 It's for me the most significant thing was, I, grab a couple of volunteer pamphlets.
11:30:00 Okay, for ECO, and nice, Americorps seniors. There's a lot of great work.
11:30:15 It's why Jane works at, he's a driver. He gets a real, good, helping people that otherwise wouldn't have.
11:30:28 And you have so many great cars you could ask.
11:30:33 Thanks. Alright, shall we look ahead? Sounds good. Go first.st
11:30:43 I mean, I can go 1st just to shake things up for you. I feel like you always get, oh, you go ahead.
11:30:48 I am here with you guys today and then. Burying in ages off to a rap show in Seattle afterwards.
11:30:58 Or, you can if you want. You're a Kenny Mason fan. But, you know, there's few opportunities before they don't even let me drive in places.
11:31:08 So I can see that we can. Tomorrow, I guess a question if ID is planning to go to the, To me wildfire preparedness plans final advisory group meeting meeting and less planning
on it. Okay, and I won't.
11:31:25 I'd hate to make a forum issue. It's like, I did let take a look through it.
11:31:30 I have no notes, so I don't have a lot to add. So I will not go to that, then I will go to the EEC finance committee meeting and then the South County.
11:31:40 Harm reduction meeting at one. Then I'll be meeting with Mark and Judy and Sarah at 3 30 to kind of, you know, get people going on the shelter plan development.
11:31:52 On Wednesday I will be joining many dignitaries I'm sure some of you for the point Hudson ribbon cutting and we get to ride on a boat.
11:32:08 So if you do a little like I gotta I gotta leave straight out. Yeah, leave a car down at point Hudson.
11:32:15 We can just arrange a little carpool. So one of us can leave a car at the boat yard.
11:32:19 One can leave a car at the Point Hudson and so we can zip back for the 2 30.
11:32:24 I've told Aaron. Yeah. So all 3. Are gonna be on the Yeah, I mean, not talking about, you know, just port business.
11:32:32 That's fine. We can talk about port business, right? I'll stand the, you stand the stern, you go, you, drive the boat safe.
11:32:39 Yes. Just getting. And then I do have an important housing fund board meeting and then office.
11:32:52 Where we basically I mean and you guys no one said no to put in the staff member kind of with the housing fund board is that sound okay I guess right now but it seems a little
a fun board I mean, it's like BHAC has a staff member too.
11:33:09 I mean, often we don't have capacity to do even things like arrange for all of the. Awardees to come back and give, you know, schedule them out to the year so we can have a
presentation back.
11:33:22 Cause the fund in the anyway. That makes sense for now. Right. Yeah, because it's the entity we have that has the right folks at the table.
11:33:33 Right. But there's not a relationship between that person and someone to evaluate performance. Do performance appraisals.
11:33:42 Yeah, I know I'm trying to think of how to describe that. Relationship because ultimately they answer to us.
11:33:51 The Housing Fundboard is only advisory. I know. I'm having the 1st conversation in depth conversation with Sarah and Judy tomorrow.
11:34:01 So hopefully we'll get more out if you guys are, in depth conversation with Sarah and Judy tomorrow. So hopefully we'll get more out if you guys are.
11:34:08 But, you know, talk on that with and then I missed the last Jeffcom meeting.
11:34:11 So look forward to Jeff come on Thursday and then we have our monthly NODC meeting and then I have on Friday just the My weekly pool meeting with Dianne McDade getting ready.
11:34:21 It looks like the 30.th from 4 to 6 will be our 1st meeting. For the healthier together task force the following week.
11:34:29 So getting going trying to schedule that was challenging to get it scheduled. I think some of the folks have kinda normal work week jobs too, so it'll probably be evening or
weekend thing.
11:34:40 So we shot out some regular meeting dates and are already windy housekeepers working with me and doing great at keeping everyone informed and getting information out to folks.
11:34:50 And so look forward to digging into that. Now that's my week. Okay, so my week ahead.
11:34:58 Feel like staying here with you today is forgone conclusion. So tomorrow I have the in the morning the Final advisory group meeting for the community wildfire prevention protection
plan, but.
11:35:11 You know, I know that there's, it'll be interesting to hear what comes out of that.
11:35:14 There's more to come on that. Right, the city still got their own. Well, I think, but it makes sense.
11:35:21 I mean, they. At their scale. I have to do a more detailed plan perhaps for. But they're still nested within ours, right?
11:35:32 In the afternoon tomorrow, I'm meeting with Anna Mchenry and 2.
11:35:38 Start planning a retreat for the. Opioid funding. So we're gonna pull together the Behavior Health Advisory Committee to Have a special meeting retreat to talk about the opioid
funding and how we wanna address that use that in the community.
11:35:56 Hmm. And then I have the Community Foundation board meeting in the afternoon. And the personal, I'll just tell you, keep saying this personal meeting every Tuesday.
11:36:09 So we're doing, Weekly, practices celebrations for my mom for 7 weeks.
11:36:15 She passed. So every Tuesday when I can make it, every Tuesday we're doing it and it's sometimes hard to schedule but anyway it's usually in the afternoon after the last meeting.
11:36:27 Wednesday morning, I am tentatively attending the straight, in coffee funding round coffee. Which is the funding roundtable of straight ERN members talking about funding opportunities
and potential collaboration opportunities within the strait.
11:36:45 Local integrating organization. I have a meeting with a forest advocate so after that And then I have to take my lawnmower to Henry Hardware because it totally failed the other
day when I was mowing.
11:37:01 So anyway, Of course. They do. You mean the wrinkle place? For Townsend.
11:37:14 They fix lawn mowers? Yeah, my mom's been taking it. They're taking.
11:37:16 Places that takes long hours to get. I know, but my mom's been taking it to Henry and the guy anyway.
11:37:23 And since the Hannah shop shut down where she got her alone anyway, I'm sorry sure.
11:37:27 There's an advertisement for Honda Lamar repair. There's also.
11:37:32 Oh, hi, returning. Papas. Papas? Yeah.
11:37:42 And then Olympic equipment rental also does one more repair. This is now public service moment where we're talking about all the longer repair opportunities in the community,
but I, fixing it yourself.
11:37:56 And went missing in the yard. And then the handle fell off. Oh, wow. Well, I was knowing on a steep hill and I fell down.
11:38:06 It was a dramatic moment anyway. It did shut off, but that's because that piece fell out.
11:38:16 And I was thinking it was an intervention from my mom. Anyway, nice saving you. Now we're talking about.
11:38:28 So, let's see. Where was I? One more. Okay.
11:38:31 And then I will join you for the Point Hudson Breakwater reopening party, which I'm super excited about.
11:38:37 I've been watching that project for I feel like is it been a decade? And then we have a community.
11:38:46 Foundation impact event at the Maritime Center after that. There's Thursday, I'm gonna attend the parks and rack advisory board tour.
11:38:54 And duck out to put the realtors association meeting in Port Ludlow. And then.
11:39:03 No, Thursday, Parks and Rec advisory board from 9 to 2. Then the Real Eers Association meeting is that 30.
11:39:20 Through the part. Okay, so then in the evening. I'm gonna attend the team center reception they're having because they've done a lot of work on the team center but at the same
school And then I am officially.
11:39:41 I guess meeting with my campaign team. I have a fantastic name. But anyway, so that's happening.
11:39:47 Just the season on Thursday evening. And then on Friday. Hi.
11:39:56 Okay. Okay, this is, yeah, I have a conflict, but it's gonna be okay.
11:40:02 Okay. Friday I have, The substance use disorder summit. Sailors A. So event at the John Wayne Marina, which I would like to attend, but it conflicts with the county coordinated
response meeting from 12 to 1 30 here in the chambers.
11:40:17 Anyone available Friday from 12 to 1 30? The radio show. I have a 1 o'clock meeting, but.
11:40:26 It's in person? Yeah, right here.
11:40:34 Completely cleaned day but let me think on it a little. Okay. What is it? The meaning? County coordinate response.
11:40:47 It's like, Dub house and Port Townsend police department and. You know, the service providers that.
11:40:51 Kind of the 1st responders on. Family issues. 1230 to 1 30.
11:41:03 12 to 1 30. The Zoom. They don't usually have Zoom going. But they would all be in the room and Greg could just zoom in.
11:41:11 It might be nice to talk with them about the shelter. Yeah, no, I got it on my calendar.
11:41:15 I'll go one way or the other. An hour. And Saturday morning I'm attending the Estraps and Fire and Rescue Pancake breakfast at the Chimican Fire Hall, cause that just sounds
fun.
11:41:33 And then I have a personal event in the afternoon and then. That's it. That's it.
11:41:40 Right, go next. Tomorrow I have the finance committee meeting. Like safety class at Salush Coast.
11:41:53 Good to get kids writing safely from a young age. And then, the regional transportation, funding work group, that we're looking at.
11:42:04 The funding for, PRTPO has been the same since like, I don't know, 90 something, you know, it's like they allocated a certain amount.
11:42:16 To administer, I guess that's not true because it did change from the washed out running it to local.
11:42:22 Anyway, it's been the same amount for many years and you know, it's just not going very far these days.
11:42:26 So looking for other potential funding sources or structures. The climate action committee at the, on the wrong time zone in my calendar.
11:42:42 Hours back of my day. And new conflicts the pretends and empower teams change their meeting time to align with the kind of action community.
11:42:57 So that's gonna be a problem ongoing. See Wednesday will attend the porch.
11:43:04 Chitty ribbon cutting. With a couple of other conflicts, it's been a little bit tight, but so wanna go celebrate them.
11:43:14 Thursday. And check here. Meeting.
11:43:22 Followed by a gender review with Mark and then a fairgrounds meeting that evening. Friday meeting with our lobbyists, if anyone has anything they want to discuss.
11:43:33 Let me know. I'll be passing on the items that we shared with WASAC. The priorities for next year.
11:43:40 She's definitely interested in if there are capital projects we want to consider for the next legislative session we should be thinking about it now.
11:43:47 So, could consider the middle road project. There's a lot of agreement and the, the work has been done on that.
11:43:56 Potentially, yeah. Yeah. So, we need the chat per center. This for next legislative session.
11:44:06 So we've got certainly have time. That wouldn't be till January, but you know, sooner you can start getting this.
11:44:10 Lined up the better. Then doing the radio show. We're gonna have, my sister.
11:44:17 Oh, nice. Bye bye. You know what's on? You're gonna play out too? I don't.
11:44:23 Yeah, now the tune is back. I get to decide that. Tasman and SAn, but that's played by the beginning.
11:44:31 What is it called? Waiting around to die to a sad song about trauma, but it's beautiful.
11:44:34 It's a good one. And my favorite sounds. Okay, waiting around to die. Yeah, thanks, Greg.
11:44:45 You know, one with a little bit more up, then I have a, annual, walk and talk, monthly walk and talk with, Junior, from, ion healthcare and then, check in for the, leadership,
leadership, council, and preparation for a meeting next month.
11:45:07 And Saturday I'll be speaking at the launch party for the beacon, the new.
11:45:18 And that's pretty much my weight. How about you, Mark? Alright.
11:45:25 Well, today of course with the board at at noon I'm I'm actually having a reference check call with someone from wass interested in proffman I want to hire them to find a
11:45:45 Tomorrow, I'll join finance committee for a short while, but At 9 o'clock we have our final.
11:45:53 Cross your fingers, hold our final advisory group meeting for the Community Wildlife Protection Plan. Sorted out all the details.
11:46:03 The city raised at the last minute. Then the meeting with Josh and Brent at 11, I guess rent this back from New York.
11:46:13 To about 18 meeting and then the meeting my graduate reference. Other topics. You got a lot of memory of Brent.
11:46:26 No, on my calendar it says that's administrative professional. We need to think about that. And then, I'll be attending with, Great water.
11:46:47 And then, say, kind of clocked back on admin board. I'll be in on that for.
11:46:52 Okay, probably an hour and then I've got a jump to the negotiation is what over and said both services finally.
11:47:01 I'm assuming you know the difference between a bow and a stern. It weren't starving.
11:47:09 And then Kate, we have a general review on the calendar, but we don't have a meeting on the 29.th Okay.
11:47:14 So you're going to do an advance look at that. That's not all next week. Sounds like a lifetime away, but.
11:47:25 And Friday, I'm on the road south to Depo Bay. Let's. Alright.
11:47:35 Anything else we want to try to get to this morning?
11:47:41 Bring my mom back to life. Come on. You guys got the power, don't you?
11:47:47 Alright, that's a big enough thing we should put it on the agenda for I think it would require.
11:47:55 At the community.
11:48:01 We, since we don't have an opportunity to talk any other time. We want to pick out, Thursday, look at calendars and see.
11:48:16 Anyone have availability to do a lunch with our staff on Thursday? This Thursday? Yeah. For me?
11:48:22 Unfortunately, that's when I'm on the parks. That's what I'm on the Parks tour and that's the time that I'm at the realtors as well.
11:48:30 So I'm already double booked that day. Okay. I can do Thursday. I could do, you know, Wednesday before the point Hudson ribbon cutting too.
11:48:41 I can do that. Got something going at 11 or something. I'm sure we could be down there by 1230.
11:48:48 We do Wednesday. What about you, Mark? On Wednesday? Yeah.
11:48:56 We have to be at the both side, 1230.
11:49:03 We did an early lunch. My favorite time to eat anyway. Where do you wanna go, Caroline?
11:49:12 Yeah, everybody gonna be around. Make it go out or bring stuff in.
11:49:22 Yes, like. Bring in. Me and Wednesday, rain Thursday. God.
11:49:33 Friday people are pretty jacked up to all morning, right? You had already conflicts and you're gonna be at the, SUD, It's time.
11:49:42 Okay, I'll be back. And then, we had veterans, but maybe we can move them.
11:49:52 I'm looking to that. They're another one person.
11:50:01 Okay, so we'll wait and hear from you, Caroline. Sounds like you know we're gonna we've concrete that I think you're moving veterans maybe an hour earlier or something you know
Okay.
11:50:13 And. Carolyn, what do you think there'd be a preferred going out versus bringing food in?
11:50:22 Oh, we'd like to take that for we've done that. No, you need to outside.
11:50:28 I don't want to speak for everyone, but I think it just kind of seems. That's kinda, Okay, see it looks at this point it's not supposed to be raining.
11:50:36 And Wednesday midday will not be warm either but we'll have this room reserved because we need bloodheaders.
11:50:45 So we had to move it indoors. Okay, great. So plan on that. Lunch 11 o'clock in Wednesday.
11:50:56 Let me know what I can do logistically.
11:50:58 Sounds good. Yeah, likewise, happy to help. Yeah, you got nothing before that. So I could always pick it up.
11:51:08 Dctary limitations. I wanna throw my diet out so much. Greg, are you still?
11:51:21 Being careful about the meat that you eat. Fairly careful, but not I can always eat vegetarian options.
11:51:26 So we don't have to, Yeah, no, it's fine. Fine anywhere.
11:51:33 Zoom, zoom crash. Did zoom crash for anyone else? Okay. About 4 times, but a re-establish connection.
11:51:47 Alright, on Wi-Fi.
11:51:53 Alright, anything else? That's recess until 1 30. That's good. But does it need to be like we say actress?
11:52:09 They don't need to. That's just a. We're a perfectly fine gender neutral word.
13:30:04 Everybody ready?
13:30:09 Okay.
13:30:13 Let's, we'll call us back into session this afternoon and. Let's jump right into a continuation of the conversation.
13:30:25 Thank you. Cindy Jane and case help for coming back to join us. The new conversations about our, the goals for emissions and sequestration that we are considering that this
kind of action committee has recommended to us.
13:30:43 So shall I hand it off to you, Cindy?
13:30:47 Yes, in this case, do you want to say a few intro words?
13:30:53 No, I think I'll let you do this, Cindy, because you've done all the planning on this and since I'm still under the influence of recent surgery, I can't be held accountable
for anything I says.
13:31:06 Okay.
13:31:07 So I think I think you're you're better off doing it.
13:31:11 Thanks.
13:31:06 Oh! Good to see you, case. See you upgrade.
13:31:10 Okay. Yeah. Great. All right.
13:31:17 Yes, thanks for the opportunity to continue this discussion on the climate action committee recommended goals today. As you know, Case Golf is the chair of the CAC, but right
because he's recovering right now.
13:31:28 I will be speaking and we may have another member of the CC chorus working group and chiming in as well.
13:31:37 So, in case, realize that today is the perfect day to be presenting to you on this topic.
13:31:42 Since it's birthday, so happy Earth Day to all.
13:31:47 Happy Earth Day to you guys.
13:31:49 Thanks. And so then just as a refresher, I won't go through all the slides from last time.
13:31:56 But we presented to you back in February on the CAC recommendations regarding both the new emissions goals and also sequestration.
13:32:05 Goals and agreed to continue the discussion. Today we're going to focus primarily on the proposed carbon sequestration goal.
13:32:12 I think that was the one that generated a little bit more, comments and questions last time. And then at the end, I do have the emissions goal that we could touch on at the
end.
13:32:24 So the proposed sequestration goal is that, you know, we currently obviously don't have any carbon.
13:32:30 Sequestration goals in the county. We do have an emissions one. So this proposal is that we create a new carbon sequencing goal for the county excluding the National Park and
all this areas and that goal will be a 20% increase in carbon sequestration from the 2,011, 2,016 baseline that was established in the greenhouse gas portion tree inventory that the
CC, approved previously.
13:32:59 And that an additional 20% increase by 2050 for a total of a 40% increase in carbon sequestration.
13:33:06 From that earlier, 2011 16, baseline. By 2050.
13:33:12 Okay. Sorry. Cindy, were you, did you want to share any, slides with us?
13:33:25 Okay. Okay. Yeah.
13:33:23 Oh, you are not seeing my slides, I'm sorry. Are you hearing me? Okay, okay, I'm sorry. I have.
13:33:35 Let's try that again. How about that? Right.
13:33:39 Yes, great.
13:33:42 Thanks. Thank you. Okay. Let me just get my, Okay, alright, so that.
13:33:50 Hmm.
13:33:50 Yep, so I think this is all that we were, that I talked through.
13:33:57 So, yeah, so here, yeah, so here's the proposed goals, 20% increase. From the 2,011 baseline and then 40% by 2050.
13:34:11 Thank you.
13:34:09 So you can see all that, right? Yep. Okay. So now I'll cover a few different papers and modeling we did to come up with that.
13:34:19 Proposed goal. So the 1st one was looking at a paper from Oregon. It came out of their global warming.
13:34:28 Natural and working lands proposal from 2021 and that that reference this paper potential greenhouse gas reductions from that natural climate solutions in Oregon.
13:34:39 And it looked at. Change changes from deferred timber harvesting repairing reforestation and replanting after wildfires and in in modeling those improvements it found the paper
we had to do some calculations because that paper was based on non forest activities as well.
13:35:04 So we modeled it to just focus on the force based activities and saw that they got about 20% emissions reduction by 2035.
13:35:13 From this variety of different forestry changes in the management of forestry And then by 2050, an additional 30 to 40% reduction, in emissions or increase in sequestration.
13:35:28 So that sort of that 20% that we're proposing by 2030 and 40% by 2050.
13:35:35 Goes along with what they were seeing in Oregon as the potential, emissions, greenhouse gas, sequestration from natural climate solutions.
13:35:47 That was that.
13:35:47 Do you know how they, defined the deferred.
13:35:51 You know, I was just looking that up because I was, to remember and it's, you know, in general, I think in the literature it looks like it's changing from a 40 to and in the
literature it looks, like it's changing from a 40 to and, 70 or 80 year cycle, but it was not specifically to a 42 and 70 or 80 year cycle, but it was not specifically defined that
I saw in that
13:36:11 paper.
13:36:11 It's interesting. I'm a member of a, DNR work group right now.
13:36:17 It's the carbon and forest management work group. So this is very germane to the work that we're doing together.
13:36:22 It's a very diverse work group. And Point of contention, obviously, but. Yeah, it would be interesting to.
13:36:35 Wonder how I can bring this work to that group. Anyway, I'll think on that.
13:36:41 Yeah, great. And, then, And sorry, I think I missed a comment that So you should have in the memo you all have in your packet.
13:36:54 Reference to the proposal from the CC and this includes it includes all the references, that I'm mentioning here.
13:37:02 So.
13:37:02 Right.
13:37:06 So then another, another reference, 12 and that recommendation memo, is from this leveraging the potential nature to meet net 0 greenhouse gas emissions in Washington state.
13:37:20 So they modeled the extended timber harvest as well and actually did a county by county across all of Washington.
13:37:29 And they saw extending timber harvest and again they were referring to previous they didn't define the extended timber harvest but referred to previous references on that that
by they can get a 3 to 6% in carbon sequestration from that baseline, you know, taking their data and applying it to our baseline.
13:37:51 By 2050 If we applied that, that's across the whole county if we applied that only to the areas outside of the National Park, which obviously are all ready, well managed.
13:38:03 That got to 7 to 13% increase in carbon sequestration. And that was just looking at extended September harvest if you added avoided conversion and right pairing reforestation
it increased it.
13:38:16 17% or so. But the thing that was interesting about this paper is it did limit the amount of extended harvest rotation to 40% of all.
13:38:27 Private lens and 32% of state lands so obviously increasing those numbers applying it to a higher percentage of the land would increase those numbers.
13:38:40 And then we looked at just using the data we have from the forest and tree greenhouse gas inventory.
13:38:49 You know part of that paper looked at the per acre amount of carbon sequestration by ownership type it was figure 12 of that report and it shows that the forest service had
the highest per acre amount of carbon removal at 5.
13:39:05 Metric times the CO 2 per acre in that 2011 is 16 time frame and so that's this figure which is you know net CO 2 removal by ownership per acre and you can see here's the US
4 service at 5.0 and then a range of other per acre sequestration.
13:39:27 For the different ownership.
13:39:29 Hey Cindy, I just heard.
13:39:34 So much information comes through this brain, but I just heard that Somebody was at a. Workshop with the poorest service.
13:39:44 And I'm hoping that when somebody else here was at the same workshop or heard about this, but they're talking about.
13:39:52 Gonna redo it re, invigorating thinning on the national forest. Have you heard that?
13:39:59 No, I have not, but I've not been, yeah. Go on.
13:40:02 That would affect the, you know, US Forest Service number here.
13:40:08 Alright, right. And there was, you know, I will say it's interesting all 3 time frames, that we looked at, because remember we looked at, you know, 2,001 to 2,006 6 to 11 and
11 to 16 and the poor service was sort of the winner in all those in all time frames and this was the latest one, the 2011 to 2016 was the highest but it wasn't a
13:40:35 huge variation across those 3 different timeframes. It was, fairly high across all of them.
13:40:42 So, it is, you know, one thing that's interesting. It's 93% forested.
13:40:46 So that obviously helps it. And so it is interesting. Yeah, we were surprised when we 1st did that report that the National Park and Wilderness were not, but then you realize
it's 78% forested because it's got things like glaciers and lakes and beaches to that to, limited somewhat.
13:41:04 But so anyways, That good.
13:41:03 Hello. I had a question and this is for the last couple of slides and I know I've probably asked this before but I just wanna make sure I understand the terms because there's
a you know often they don't quite mean the same thing.
13:41:15 And I would, I think sequestered means removed from the atmosphere in this slide title talks about that too.
13:41:20 So you're not talking about storage, but when I think about the US USF for service at the most efficient removal by ownership per acre.
13:41:32 I feel like is that missing a variable like per year because
13:41:37 Oh yes, yes, it is per year, sorry. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I thought we had it is.
13:41:45 Per year. I thought we had the Yeah.
13:41:46 Okay, so that's the forest services trees and that's probably because of I mean that's not aggregated.
13:41:58 Oh wait that is per acre so the USF has per acre.
13:42:00 Removes more carbon per year.
13:42:05 They've been harvesting very little generally. Put often sequestration slows down as a tree gets more mature too.
13:42:12 So I guess that's why I was making sure that the time like so every year that forest sequesters only the carbon that it adds to the tree, right?
13:42:20 I mean, it's diminishing returns in any forest. And
13:42:27 It is Matt.
13:42:23 Yeah, and this, so this is, so it is, it includes. Yeah, yeah, that includes the right the CO 2 the trees are absorbing and sequestering as well as the the emissions related
to harvest, you know, from that carbon being removed and that does include the carbon being stored or also takes into account the carbon being stored long term and harvested wood products.
13:42:49 It also includes, you know, fires, insect damage. Switching, reforestation and, and loss of, conversion to, from forest to other types of land.
13:43:01 All of that is included, included in these net, this net removal.
13:43:06 We're not looking at net carbon removal. We're looking at annual carbon removal as a goal.
13:43:14 Is that right?
13:43:15 I'm sorry, yes. Net annual is what is what we're looking at as a goal.
13:43:22 So similar to what was done in this report, which is all, yeah.
13:43:26 Okay, I'm just do you have that net annual? Carbon sequestration numbers that looks like this chart, but that how much New carbon is sequestered.
13:43:36 I mean You know, I think the timber industry would probably say replant and stand is going to sequester more carbon than an older stand on a annualized.
13:43:47 Evaluation.
13:43:48 Yeah, we just analyzed it by ownership, so we don't, yeah, yeah, we don't have it or a specific stand, but it's for it's looking at basically looking at satellite images and
looking at how, you know, the how much was forest is no longer for us vice versa and then using the age, the average age of the forest to look at what their, you know.
13:44:11 average sequestration rates are. And then taking the DNR timber data as well. To, to calculate the harvest of wood product that, you know, that's where we got the harvest data
from.
13:44:23 So.
13:44:23 There's gotta be an algorithm that does take that same information and says your annual sequestration rate was this or, you know, is this now, right?
13:44:33 For trees of this H class.
13:44:34 Yes, that is there's we did have. In the original report It has the.
13:44:42 Factors, emissions and sequestration factors. So you can see, in that, you know, it has kind of the averages at least.
13:44:54 For. For stands of course, but it is it does very per age group. There's 3 different age groups that are used in that analysis, from that
13:45:09 Thanks, Andy. It looks like Case has something to add.
13:45:11 Yeah, I think what what Greg is getting at Cindy is whether or not We have similar. Numbers calculations and all for our goal compared to what we're seeing here.
13:45:26 So that we're sure that we're talking about. Net CO 2 sequestered per year.
13:45:37 Per acre. And
13:45:36 Yeah. Not, not per acre. You know, the goal is we're looking at the total CO 2 sequestration across Jefferson County minus the national park.
13:45:49 The per the per year amount of sequestration. We're not, you know, this was just a way to take a look and compare, look at how it compares over different ownership, but overall
we're just looking at
13:46:02 But knowing what the overall acreage is, it could always be converted. 2 per acre.
13:46:06 That's right. It could be, yes.
13:46:08 So that this chart then becomes something that we can compare to what we're talking about. Is that what you're suggesting, Greg?
13:46:17 Yes, thank you.
13:46:20 Yeah, let's go on and see if the it addresses your question as we move on, I think.
13:46:27 Yeah. So. So, so what we're trying to do is because we're using this data to kind of get at how does that compare to the goal.
13:46:37 So let me just go through that and maybe that will help adjust that. So as I said, here you can see.
13:46:45 Us 4 service is that 5.0. Metric tons of CO 2, per acre per year and commercial area and these other other areas were all less.
13:46:58 The variety of areas were less than that. And so we said, okay, well, what if. Hypothetical, you know, modeling here.
13:47:08 What if we applied that same USFS per acre rate to the other. Areas obviously not the city, Port Townsend, not the urban growth areas, but the other areas of the county, including
DNR, commercial industrial, small public private, which is fairly significant in our county and county owned areas, which is so a total of 450,000 or so acres of the county and we held
everything else
13:47:36 constant. If you did that, you would end up with a 76% increase in the carbon sequestration per year.
13:47:44 And again, our goal is for, the proposed, 40% increase by 2050. So this is you know, this is a higher end than what we're proposing, but this was just another way to look at
it.
13:47:55 I think that kind of gets at what you're saying, Greg, how how to really.
13:47:58 Oh, it doesn't quite track in my mind that I might be fuzzy on it, but.
13:48:03 You're talking about net carbon reduction in the previous slide and here you're talking about annualized Carbon sequestration.
13:48:11 So if you take that negative 5 number. That's a cumulative of all the storage and everything that's been sequestered, right?
13:48:18 So that number doesn't seem to, we can't, you can't just apply this number to an annualized basis.
13:48:23 And have a
13:48:23 Sorry, but the These are annualized. Yeah, I'm sorry for not having that in this, but this is all annualized here.
13:48:31 So. So.
13:48:31 I thought you said it was the NET.
13:48:31 Yeah, don't get. No, but Greg, don't get confused with NET versus annual.
13:48:38 Right.
13:48:38 Net is simply is simply the difference between input and output. And whether it's annual net or whether it's a lifetime net or 10 year net.
13:48:51 The net just tells you that it does take into consideration all of the factors. Regarding storage and what have you.
13:49:01 Right.
13:49:01 It's basically all of those factors which end up with a net. That in this particular situation is calculated per acre per year.
13:49:17 Okay.
13:49:11 Yeah, I'm sorry. The report actually had the per year in there. We had added it in and just got lost off the slide, but yeah, everything is per year.
13:49:22 Okay, thank you.
13:49:21 We're only talking per year. So. Yep, good. So, so again, 76% if you applied that USFS per acre rate to these other areas.
13:49:32 So just another way to look at range of possibilities. Another way to model it is like, okay, well, if we wanted 20% increase.
13:49:42 How many acres would need to switch from commercial industrial? Let's take commercial industrial land since that in the model had the lowest per acre sequestration amount.
13:49:54 We switch from that type that style and management to the US for service, style that was, that we modeled in the report in that time period.
13:50:05 And that if 54,000 acres were swapped that would meet the 20% increase in carbon sequestration by 2030.
13:50:15 And this is, there's a new, bit, but I was just looking at other ways.
13:50:19 Yeah, I try to help folks get their head around what these increases with me. Now that's no small thing, right?
13:50:26 I mean, 54,000 acres is not a small number, but that and I should say this is only looking at that change.
13:50:33 It's not looking at other opportunities. In commercial ends, not looking at extending harvest rotation in the D in our land and the small public private land.
13:50:43 There's other other ways to increase carbon sequestration. But if you just looked at that. You know, that one particular aspect that's what it would take to get to the 20% goal
by 2030.
13:50:57 Okay. So then other opportunities and these are being more, qualitative and not quantitative, but the portion tree inventory report had already suggested the next steps, including
as you all been doing, working with DNR to do trust line transfers or reconvene, supporting forest management on small public private lands through education and there are some programs
I mentioned last time this forest cover works offers carbon credit payments for small
13:51:27 landowners. And funding the county forestry management to include carbon. Management, continue to do that as you have been.
13:51:36 And other opportunities include working with state and federal representatives on carbon policies instead of rising planting of trees and looking at expanding the tree ordnance
to other areas.
13:51:49 Retaining standing trees when possible.
13:51:52 Hey, Sindy, do you have any data on the? Ability of tree canopy.
13:52:00 Programs like City of Port Townsend will be looking at. Yeah, this the your last 2 book prints here address it a little bit, but do we have any sense of kind of how much sequestration
we could expect from say a citywide or countywide program that was either incentivizing or requiring increasing the tree canopy.
13:52:23 Yes, it's a good question. I don't, yeah, we have looked at. The city of Port Townsend where it is and I think in terms of tree canopy and there's some data in the report that
could be modeled to look at increasing it.
13:52:42 But I will say like the city of Port Townsend overall. It's a fairly small amount.
13:52:47 The carbon sequestration in the city is fairly small compared to the county as a whole given how many acres we have of forest.
13:52:55 So, just in terms of the areas for the, for the UGAs, those areas are relatively small in terms of card and sequestration.
13:53:04 But if you look at the county as a whole and included outside the Ug's. That's an interesting question, but I think that's where sort of the same thing.
13:53:14 The, like we're looking at those other opportunities for reforestation. In other areas could cause some improvements, but no, I don't have any specific models of that.
13:53:26 Okay, is there such, you know, multiple benefits to that? You know, cooling, obviously.
13:53:30 Yup.
13:53:36 Yeah.
13:53:34 But I agree with small returns, but. It's interesting to try and threw up, you know, forest health versus carbon sequestration because things like our county forestry program
where we Say at the Trailhead Park.
13:53:53 Cut down, cut down a lot of trees basically then toothpicks, right? To allow the trees to grow to a healthy, the other trees that were left to grow to a healthy stature.
13:54:07 And sequester carbon and suppressed carbon, but how do you, How do you quantify that shift?
13:54:12 I guess you have to. You know, in the management activity, some management activities are. Intrinsically more.
13:54:22 Carbon sequestering kind of activities and others are the opposite. And so how do we measure or provide credit.
13:54:34 In something like this, method you're trying to come up with. For those transitionary periods where There may be management activities happening because we're trying to get
to a healthy forest.
13:54:48 Right. Right. Yeah, no, I agree. It's fairly complex and modeling.
13:54:52 Yeah.
13:54:54 I think is yeah, not straightforward. No.
13:54:56 And that logic we also would apply if the US Force Service and I didn't remember it was carefired and who mentioned that she had been in a forum with The US Forest Service if.
13:55:06 If the Forest Service is going to do, you know, thinning for the purpose of healthier forests.
13:55:13 That's a huge number in your report, right? So how do we do we? Avoid, you know, how do, how do we deal with those management activities that period of time where that management
is happening in those growing.
13:55:30 Right.
13:55:35 Yep.
13:55:30 Therefore, holding more carbon for the future. I don't. It's complicated. Okay.
13:55:36 Right. And I'm, I, although I haven't looked at the data. Specifically, I think that there are thinning for forest health practices that do not reduce the amount of carbon question.
13:55:49 I've seen plenty of forests that are where there are far too many stems per acre.
13:55:58 And. Yeah.
13:55:54 And the trees are all sort of dying standing. They're all gasping for. For sun and so just because they're recommending thinning Don't assume that that's gonna throw off the
carbon sequestration.
13:56:09 Right.
13:56:10 Right, yeah. Yeah, and I'm sure, yeah, Mallory could probably speak to that more intelligently than I can about the range of different forest management techniques and the different
impacts of those.
13:56:24 But I think, yeah, so I think, then moving on, obviously, you know, something you all are well aware and have been, you know, guarding against for quite a long time is the conversion
of forest line and non forest and obviously you that's key here as well as you were looking at how do we increase carbon sequestration but certainly you we want to make sure we don't
go backwards by, you
13:56:47 know, having more conversion to non forest. One, you know, also we didn't model this in the reports, but obviously there's opportunities for increasing sequestration and agriculture
as well until, a wide range of opportunities and then also opportunities and you know replanting reforestation and repairing areas, title areas and post fire of course.
13:57:12 Still nothing on aquaculture.
13:57:16 Operation.
13:57:12 And then. Yeah, It is. Yeah, no, it's interesting. I think that's certainly, evolving and data on what those opportunities are.
13:57:30 Okay.
13:57:25 I think, could use for the research and that's happening. And then as was talking about obviously lots of co-benefits of these, everything from stormwater to water quality,
temperature mitigation.
13:57:39 Yeah, I think this came up when looking at tree canopy and improvements in treaty canopy, public health benefits, biodiversity and potential employment, you know, from non timber
forest products and tourism, opportunities.
13:57:54 So, yeah, okay, so that was it on the carbon sequestration. I was gonna go on to just a reminder on the missions goal, but any.
13:58:02 Yeah, do you wanna speak more? Let me do this. Let me just say reminder here's what the emissions goal that was talked about last time we talked about you know 58.7 rather odd
number by 59% below 2018 levels by 2030 and then 95% the dog 2018 again i didn't go back and cover that here.
13:58:28 There's various things I didn't want to just repeat a lot of the slides from last time but happy to bring up those slides for, for, if there any questions on that.
13:58:35 But I think that is the last I have, so I will turn it back to you all for discussion.
13:58:42 Okay. I'm yeah, just how can we that's like the 2,030 number is pretty bold for emissions you know as we talked about the way we're able to hit our goals last time was through
a systemic change and I guess I'm wondering what are the changes that we can do to try to hit that 59% below emissions by 2030.
13:59:07 Yeah, and so I guess the, you know, the top opportunities when, the CC modeled, you know, top opportunities for reducing emissions, electric peoples were, you know, sort of
the number one identified and just in general transportation obviously is a huge, huge chunk.
13:59:25 So anything we can do to get people into electric vehicles or even better at, you know, add their cars onto transit, biking, walking.
13:59:34 That's the biggest opportunity we have, there. And these again were derived from the IPCC goals, recommendations, to limit temperatures to 1.5 degrees C.
13:59:48 So, yeah, it certainly is aggressive. But actually the need is critical in terms of, limiting temperatures.
13:59:57 Do you know have any numbers on how many cars, single occupancy vehicles we'd have to either replace with electric or take off the road to.
14:00:05 I guess make a difference? That's a good question.
14:00:10 The other report. And look at that one for a while. We do have that in that one for a while.
14:00:17 We do have that in that, yeah, the report we modeled that one for a while. We do have that in that, yeah, the report, we model the switch, to electric vehicles that did quantify
how much we could, reduce emissions by that.
14:00:25 Yeah, I'm trying to find that.
14:00:29 Transportation is like half of our carbon load, is that right? More than half?
14:00:33 Yeah, yeah. That's right. Yeah, so we.
14:00:38 Let's see, the EV promotion had the ability to reduce by about 10%. The by 2,030 in EB promotion, but I'd have to go back and look at what the how many cars that was taking
off the road.
14:01:00 Yeah.
14:01:03 Yeah.
14:00:58 That's. That's not gonna cut it, Cindy. I, you know, we got 50% more emissions we have to cut.
14:01:07 If that's what the electric vehicles can do. So what else can we do to? Achieve. The goal.
14:01:12 Yeah, so it was 23% of gas vehicles being displaced by EVs by twenty-thirty.
14:01:19 That that was modeled and yeah it was and that ended up with a 10%. Right. Reduction.
14:01:31 Yeah, there was a variety of other things, you know, transit related things added some. Complete streets and you know home weatherization but yeah it was it was not it was tough
to get those numbers and Ickley did some modeling as well and it is tough to achieve this.
14:01:50 Yeah.
14:01:48 So I think another. Another part of the question that I hear from Greg. Is if we set 58.7 below 2018.
14:01:59 A certain amount of that can be accomplished with electric vehicles. Where are we now? Compared to the 2018 levels.
14:02:09 And what additional What additional emissions reductions are required. Because 58.7 is the total that we have to be below 2018.
14:02:24 So what is the baseline from which we are starting today?
14:02:28 Yeah, I don't have that number, but I will say, you know, we formed the EV working group, the CCV working group based on that report and we should be breaking ground any day
now on the new fast chargers at the chamber.
14:02:45 We have the the EV car share in town. So there has been a variety of things and there's actually a wide number I'm trying to remember the numbers but we've got
14:02:55 Or maybe 4 other sets of fast chargers that will be installed in the county. Yeah.
14:03:00 Right, but, but, but Cindy, that's regardless of how quickly we get those in.
14:03:06 Yep.
14:03:06 There's still the question of where are we now? Compared to 2,018 levels. So that we know how much.
14:03:14 Yeah, we can.
14:03:17 More of a percentage decrease we need from now to 2030.
14:03:22 Yeah, we we can the CEC can you know choose to. Pull those numbers and look at the current stuff.
14:03:31 There, in time.
14:03:29 I guess I'll go back case to what you were saying last time we were presenting. This goal is based not on necessarily what we think is achievable, but what is needed based on
IPCC, right?
14:03:42 No, I, yeah, anyway. Yep, I agree.
14:03:46 Through the sense of, you know, some of the, programs that the community is doing incentivizing heat pumps.
14:03:55 You know, that's another one that seems like a achievable. Orca's doing big work with the heat pumps.
14:04:02 There's a wood stove bounty in Jefferson County that just kind of sanded into Jefferson County and where we are taking advantage of it more per capita than any other county,
but anyone with an older, non-certified works, or in stove, can get a heat pump installed and it's loo up to like, $2,500, I think, but pretty much takes out and pays
14:04:20 you a bounty for the old one and pays for the new one. Does a lot of weatherization projects as well.
14:04:26 Not sure what the PV is doing on that front. But
14:04:31 And they did a big blow income heat pump program. So yeah, he pumps, they that was also modeled.
14:04:37 Again, it did end up relatively small. But it is an opportunity and you're right, I think we could do more to promote that work of program that's relatively new that applies
to Jefferson County.
14:04:49 That's relatively new that that applies to Jefferson County. So that's yeah, that's super exciting.
14:04:51 And of course, yeah, that's super exciting. And of course, given our electricity is so clean, you know, that, yeah, that's super exciting.
14:04:56 And of course, given our, to see you so clean, you know, that, yeah, that So, but yeah, I guess.
14:04:58 Good.
14:04:57 Be great to, it'd be great to promote like 10 activities like take out and then the leader and you're the top 10 things you can do.
14:05:05 To help offset our emissions. Right. And I mean, I know it's.
14:05:12 Yep. Yeah.
14:05:12 You know, but it's important to keep educating the public.
14:05:19 Yeah, I think we're trying to form a CC outreach group. Yeah, we did when you presented the modeling, on the reduction modeling to the public, you know, we did have, some information
and, some articles, I think, in the newspapers too, based on that, that sort of identified, said what the top opportunities are.
14:05:41 But I agree the more we can do to educate and do outreach to keep that in front of folks, the better will be moving forward.
14:05:48 I mean, it seems like hybrid work is an opportunity to achieve some of these goals too if we incentivize hybrid work, you know, if you can cut out 2 out of 5.
14:05:59 Commutes you're going to reduce emissions just kind of de facto and I guess I would love to see some strong recommendations for action that we can take to achieve these lofty
goals.
14:06:12 And as Heidi says, I'd love to know where we are now, you know, how far along the way are we as it took case.
14:06:20 Okay.
14:06:29 Okay.
14:06:22 So could I ask a question as to how long we have today to deal with this topic and what the goals are for the session or is it merely to I is it to make any decisions or is
it primarily to identify missing gaps in information that will help make the decision.
14:06:43 Next things at 3. We, 2 30. So 2 30. And, we could choose to adopt new goals today.
14:06:55 We're not. So. I'm Cindy Brasson line up. Oh, okay.
14:07:04 She's in the 4.
14:07:02 Cindy Brx is in the, is with us too. So. Feel free to raise your hands if you'd like to join the conversation.
14:07:12 I mean, if you're looking for us to, ratify these goals. I will, I don't have a problem with the goals.
14:07:20 I still don't understand how we could possibly achieve them. So I do, I have a little hesitation, I guess, and you know.
14:07:27 Wishing for those things to happen by 2030 so I would love to have actionable items and understand where we are on that journey.
14:07:34 But it doesn't have to happen before. We approve, I don't think. I don't know.
14:07:39 Hey, this is kind of your baby. Well, yeah, I think it's, something about a political question.
14:07:46 We want to adapt, and things that you know that we know are not necessarily achievable. Or do you want to scale them back to goals, or do you want to scale them back to both,
or do you want to scale them back to goals that we do think are achievable or is it better to, you know, kind of aim a high?
14:08:01 You know, 58.7 sounds like a lot, but if you think about trying to reduce. That I know this is wait and so it doesn't work but if you think about like by 10% in H back transportation,
commercial buildings.
14:08:17 Consumer goods at food, you know, like there are both institutional and individual choices that, you know, if you kind of think about the many ways that you could have a a goal
that, you know, cumulatively, and get to 58.7. But it's.
14:08:39 You know, there are a number of things that we have purview over. I mean, that's not necessarily true.
14:08:50 Good night.
14:08:49 You know, the states, the state school for not let me finish this case. The state school for not let me finish this case.
14:08:58 The state has the new, clean building code for public buildings that, you know, I think right now we are not required to But you know, maybe we choose to anyway.
14:09:11 So, and being able to articulate kind of what the rationale behind the goals we adopt is something I want to be able to achieve.
14:09:21 But you know, they can still be ambitious. Go ahead Case.
14:09:28 Yeah, It I I think one thing that's really important to remember. Is that during the last couple of years, There has been evidence for an increasing need.
14:09:43 To address the climate crisis. And in fact, That evidence is increasing not in a linear faster.
14:09:54 It's increasing. Asymptotically. Meaning that every year the need to do something is increasing more than it was the year before.
14:10:06 And at the same time, I've also been surprised that when people really begin to see the the extent of the crisis that we're facing.
14:10:18 New opportunities that we haven't thought of yet. Or that we haven't been able to. Find funding for yet.
14:10:27 Come up. And so I would, I would. Suggest that this is a goal of what the best scientists currently looking at this issue.
14:10:39 Say we really have to attain. And then let that be an incentive for the community. To continue to educate itself and for us all to work together.
14:10:53 To find the ways to reach that goal. On a personal basis. I think the goal is still less than what we're going to need.
14:11:03 And so I think this is a relatively modest goal. Given the nature of the crisis that we face.
14:11:11 On this planet.
14:11:15 So do you welcome?
14:11:17 Hi there, case I echo what cases. Wholeheartedly. I have just a couple of thoughts.
14:11:26 On how it may go with the Sector-based emissions. If and Kate, I think you said something along the lines of, and I guess I'm a big proponent of changing.
14:11:37 Energy codes for it's possible to do it to prohibit construction of new fossil fuel facilities like no No new propane used for heating or cooking in buildings.
14:11:48 That would be just so helpful. And I know Cindy started talking, talking about charging infrastructure for EVs.
14:11:57 That's actually in it's a huge kind of been a huge impediment in people's minds to buying a new EV.
14:12:05 And the amount of charging infrastructure that's in construction now is just so enormous much more than last year.
14:12:13 14 car manufacturers have standardized now on the Tesla supercharger connection. And they've reached an agreement with Tesla to use super chargers.
14:12:26 2 of those manufacturers are now have vehicles that are capable of using the T Tesla supercharging infrastructure.
14:12:35 That's a huge deal. So all of this is just coalescing to really accelerate. EV adoption, I think, over the next few years.
14:12:44 It's kind of, you know, us early adopters are driving EVs. Then it has kind of stalled I hear over the past year or so but I think this charging infrastructure is a huge deal.
14:12:56 Just my 50 cents.
14:12:58 Bye.
14:12:58 So I think I've been in care this week that, almost one for cars now being sold in the US are EVs.
14:13:06 So it we are making real progress.
14:13:09 I guess I'll just chime in that. Yeah, I think it's a great point.
14:13:12 That's been made by others here that, right. Obviously the state and federal, there's a lot of funding, there's a lot of opportunities and to me these aggressive goals they
do line up with the best science, the current best available science and, IPCC recommendations.
14:13:34 So also set us up well to go after those funding opportunities, right? And in fact, this has been a little while, but, they had a big push for this a few years ago of having
cities and counties set these goals.
14:13:45 A consistent with the 1.5 degrees C IPCC report and they had a big race to 0 city.
14:13:53 To get folks to adopt those goals and then move forward. So I think there may be more opportunities for funding.
14:14:01 If we've got goals that are consistent with that, and yes, I just said, and I think more and more opportunities will be arising as we move forward.
14:14:10 This. So is it better to I mean. You know, what I said earlier about having the top 10 things an individual can do.
14:14:21 Maybe it's the top 5 things that we can do with local elected to. Improve the charging infrastructure, ensure micro transit to get people out of their cars.
14:14:32 I mean, We need to figure out solutions, not just at the individual level, but what are the best things?
14:14:39 And then promote those best solutions. Our local policy makers out to other elected officials. In the state through maybe WASSAC or the WASSAT conference or I mean we need to
figure out We need like a campaign plan.
14:14:55 Yeah.
14:14:53 This is my campaign planning brain. Not I'm actually not thinking about political campaigns, but conservation campaigns in the past.
14:15:02 Like, how do we get that? How do we turn the right dials and get the right message out to folks?
14:15:08 About what those dials are actions are that will make those. Significant enough changes happen, cause I know that at transit, where all 3 of us sit on the transit board.
14:15:19 Right.
14:15:19 And we look at ridership numbers and it's always like how can we get more people on the bus you know it's And they hate it when I say this when I say it's free.
14:15:29 It's fair free, you know, and. That's a really good price. I don't know.
14:15:35 Well, and so you've seen you've seen some memos and there's another one coming your way actually from the climate action committee.
14:15:43 We also have this vehicle. Miles traveled the reduction group, right? And so you've seen some recommendations.
14:15:49 I think you were CC down these, but for downtown Port Townsend, you managed parking program and how, you know, that would be an opportunity to encourage folks to leave the cars
at home and take transit.
14:16:03 So we are. Sending you periodically, you know, other ideas on policies, you know, help supporting policies that can help reduce that vehicle miles travel piece as well.
14:16:19 Sure.
14:16:12 Cindy, can I just say? Do you know how many documents we get sent every week? We each have 5 to 1,500 pages of reading a week.
14:16:22 And so if people can be really helpful and communicate in other ways. And I know it's not just the Jefferson County Board of Commissioners.
14:16:32 If you're talking about local elected being your audience, it's like, how do we really get the most important actions, if you're talking about local elected being your audience.
It's like, how do we really get the most important actions mobilized?
14:16:46 It's not by sending another 100 page memo or even 10 page memo. Or even.
14:16:47 Yeah, but hi, excuse me, Heidi. We're not, we're not asking the BOCC today.
14:16:53 To come up with an action plan to get here. We're asking you to sort of say to the community through adopting this.
14:17:02 We have a crisis. This is what we have to do. Now let's all work together to see how we can get there.
14:17:09 Because all of these ideas that we've mentioned today have are being bantered around. Unfortunately, I missed the T-lab thing on Friday because I was still in the hospital.
14:17:19 But and I'm I'm waiting to hear what it was like. I'm So, you know, there are people who want to do more and will Get them harnessed through, you know, whether it's local, 2,000,
and 20, the climate action committee.
14:17:36 So your goal though sitting in your chairs I think is to help us basically. Frame the context. Here's the crisis.
14:17:44 This is what we know we have to do. We're going to support you in whatever way we can.
14:17:51 As county commissioners. To show that we're doing the right things for the future.
14:17:58 I have a proposal. Okay. I I think that we are all in agreement. About that about the importance of this topic and the desire to.
14:18:10 Set ambitious goals for ourselves and for our communities. And I do think we have a kind of a unique opportunity and being a rural community that wants to do this.
14:18:22 We know that a lot of the solutions are very urban based. That come to us kind of you know from the think tanks and and it's it's there just some challenges in rural areas you
know moving away from cars moving away from propane moving away from wood stoves you know these are all things that are way harder in rural communities and I wonder if if we might throw
this back to the climate action committee and
14:18:47 say, will you help us come up with a rural roadmap? What are you know, and that could be not really identifying, you know, a number of actions with.
14:18:57 With some ambitious goals attached to it, you know, be specific about the number of number percentage of cars that we'd like to see as EV in the future, given the infrastructure
that we're investing in identify the number of wood stoves removed.
14:19:12 What steps produce it? See you too, you know, and then be able to kind of calculate from there and come up with a realistic goal based on the actions that we think we have the
ability to achieve.
14:19:27 And, you know, again, be ambitious not saying like this is what we can do.
14:19:31 So we should limit ourselves to that, but no, like push the envelope a little bit. And I think, I think other communities would love to see more options and some data around.
14:19:41 Things in rural communities that I don't know, I think that could be a really valuable output and that we could then kind of agree to and in that we could then kind of agree
to and in that in that roadmap you can say we know we need to reduce.
14:19:56 By 58.7% in order to stay at the one and a half degrees. Temperature increase.
14:20:03 That's really ambitious. We, you know, feel like these are our most important actions that we could be pointing towards.
14:20:11 Yeah, that makes a lot of sense to me. You know, I mean, if it's, I'm not sure if there's an important timing thing, but I like the plan that is what you're talking about, right?
14:20:30 Okay.
14:20:30 Well, yeah, if. You know, when we set the 1st goals for this county in this city.
14:20:38 We set the goals first.st Based upon what we knew, what we projected. Had to happen by the year 2050.
14:20:48 And I would urge you to set the goal first.st Because how we get there is a constantly moving target.
14:20:57 Because of the things that we mentioned in terms of increasing opportunities, things we learn. Mistakes we make, successes we have.
14:21:07 And so to spend the next year or 2. It takes a lot of work. To get to very specific numbers.
14:21:15 There are so many variables. So to spend another year or 2 coming up with ways that we can reach this goal.
14:21:24 I think. We're missing an opportunity. And my That somebody coffee that within the next 3 years there's going to be a new set of goals coming out from IC, ICLEI because this
goal is not ambitious enough.
14:21:43 I mean, we're not keeping the planet to 1.5 degrees. We've already got there.
14:21:49 We're now talking about 2 degrees. And, so I, I think we need to just admit.
14:21:56 That we're in deep trouble unless we set a goal ambitiously. I agree. Let's ask the CAC and whatever group we can put together working groups to come with as many specifics
as we can.
14:22:11 But a lot of that work has already been done. But not to the point of trying to figure out what it can contribute to a 58.7%.
14:22:21 You know, reduction. So I think to do it that way would be to put the cart.
14:22:27 Before the horse.
14:22:30 Yeah.
14:22:30 I'm sick. I agree with case. I would be. I think both are possible, but I mean, you gotta have one fixed variable, right?
14:22:37 One fixed diet thing or you're never gonna be able to make an equation, right? So I'd be okay with this.
14:22:44 I have a couple of clarifying questions. One, this is the total emissions goal. This isn't broken down by sectors, right?
14:22:49 Or do you call it a sector based emissions goal? Cause it incorporates all the sectors.
14:22:54 The reason I know the terminology got a little tricky here because our original inventory was what we called sector base.
14:23:02 It did not include forests. So what we mean by here is excluding the force. We've sort of said, let's just treat the, the emissions within the county as emissions only and then
the sequestration as a separate piece.
14:23:17 Gotcha. I get it harder. Fine, we can play advanced. I guess what are the sequestration goals that you're looking for a recommendation on those 2 right for a.
14:23:27 Yeah. Yeah. And that's the. Should be in your memo.
14:23:34 Yeah, that 20% by 2030 and 40% by 2050 from that 2011 to 2016 baseline.
14:23:41 Cindy, did you have a comment on the, cart and horse? Okay.
14:23:47 Yeah. Yeah, I guess I, I agree, with what case is saying, I think we need to be driven by what's required.
14:23:58 On this Earth Day for our planet Earth and, and all the creatures on it. But, I also would say let's look back and, you know, when this goal, the original goal, 80% reduction
by 2050 was set back in 2,008 by the commissioners the county commissioners and city council at the time and there was not identified, you know, the specifics as to how to get
14:24:24 there. And interestingly enough, when we did 2018, now granted there were some pretty major changes that can't necessarily be replicated, but we were on track to meet that goal
and that was due to it was due to the change in electricity was also due a 50% reduction by Port Townsend paper company to remember that's another big variable when we look at emissions
in the county.
14:24:45 So those 2 changes along with some other ones were, you know, sufficient for getting us where we wanted to be by 2,020 for that goal.
14:24:54 So I think I think it's yeah, as we say, it's constantly changing. There's more and more opportunities.
14:25:01 I think this says, yes, we are in line with IPCC and what they're recommending.
14:25:05 And we're going to, you know, continue working, to track what the top opportunities are and how we can move forward on.
14:25:14 Oh, sorry. I'll take it down.
14:25:12 This is your hand up again or is that a hold up? Okay. That's okay. Well, I have no problem supporting ambitious goals.
14:25:22 I just get a little mired in the weeds, but that's a lot of where I said lately.
14:25:28 It's a map idea though. It's not one or the other. I don't think.
14:25:32 Yeah, so I mean, could we say yes, let's move forward with these goals and we just wanna see some more narrative to support them, support the rationale and and a rationale can
be we need to be more bold.
14:25:44 We don't know what changes in you know, technology will exist. We don't know if the Nature Conservancy will buy the 30,000 acres in on the West End that are for sale right now
and then suddenly we're, you know, half way towards the goal that you mentioned Cindy like.
14:26:00 Exactly. Yep.
14:26:03 Just talking to them about doing that. Yeah, I imagine Rainier is. I'm sure.
14:26:08 We're in here trying to sell it, right? Yeah. And I think too, you know, something we haven't talked about today, but just the 2 DNR programs that, you know, we're heavily invested
in now thanks to Heidi is good work, you know, like I'm curious how far that gets us in.
14:26:25 The sequestration goals and you know just like kind of gathering more and more of that data. And demonstrating how a small rural government can move the needle on this and it
would be really valuable.
14:26:39 2% so far. 2%? That's so far this, right? We got, we got a thousand acres out of, a hundred 1,000 acres.
14:26:45 Right.
14:26:48 Wait, wait. We got 7, 700 out of 2,000. Or 54,000.
14:26:54 Right, right.
14:26:54 And the land trust just bought 800 acres with money and is continuing to raise money to buy more land.
14:27:01 Yeah, no, you're right, Greg. And, and this is switching from commercial industrial style management to USFS.
14:27:10 It's not from D and R. So that's even, I did look at those numbers, but it was switching from D to the USFS.
14:27:18 And so that is a smaller change in the per acre rate. So it is a little bit smaller.
14:27:28 Yep. Yep.
14:27:22 But still commercial harvest, the US for service rate is still commercially harvesting. One say very little.
14:27:28 Well, well I How are you? I appreciate He's admission. That we do sometimes tend to get stuck in the weeds.
14:27:39 And I would suggest that we might. Be getting there a little more because we're Yeah, what we're really looking for is some big.
14:27:47 Some big goal that we can get to and then let's work together to get there.
14:27:54 I'm happy. A move that we approve the sequestration and emissions goals as presented here by the Climate Action Committee.
14:28:03 I'm happy to second that motion. Alright, been moved and seconded and. And. You're going to open this up for public comments.
14:28:12 So if anyone in Zoom room would like to provide public comment, please hit raise hand. Only on this topic.
14:28:20 Go ahead.
14:28:22 I'll break the. The silence. I 1st like to say I thank you wholeheartedly for, listening and making the motion.
14:28:36 And one thing I think that it just isn't happening enough is getting the public information out there. So that'll be one of the suggestions I have and I'm sure I'll be still
active helping the CAC push this forward but.
14:28:51 Gosh, it's and I agree with Greg that systemic changes are a huge thing, but getting the public to do the right thing, just make the right choices can be done, but we've got
to get more information out there more just asks.
14:29:07 And it can happen on the county level, I think.
14:29:11 Thank you, Cindy. Anyone else like to provide public comments? And so please hit raise hand.
14:29:22 Alright, see you now, close public comment. Any further discussion? Yeah, call the question. All those in favor of adopting the goals as presented today for with emissions and
sequestration, please say aye.
14:29:35 Bye. A motion carries. Thank you all for all of your efforts and, I know we actually just created more work for CAC.
14:29:48 Which I will commit to helping out with so anything else before we go to our 2 30 item.
14:29:59 Yeah.
14:29:57 Thank you very much. I appreciate your time in the comments. And yeah, I think the next steps you're talking about are all things we're already working on and I think it's a
great idea to plan.
14:30:07 For us to come back to views you see you know and present some of those in a way that's easier to take in versus the individual memo.
14:30:17 So I think that's a great next step if case agrees.
14:30:20 Yeah, thank you very much. Very important topic and we appreciate all of the support and I speak for myself, my family, my kids, and future generations.
14:30:33 Right on. Thank you so much.
14:30:35 Thanks guys. Thank you all.
14:30:36 Happy birthday.
14:30:39 Okay, you too.
14:30:39 Yeah.
14:30:42 Bye.
14:30:44 Alright, let me have a discussion with. So comes up there, and, not to be Johnson and Johnson.
14:30:59 Okay. Good now.
14:31:10 Good afternoon, Philip. Thanks for joining us. We are ready for you whenever you're ready. I kinda feel like this is my fault because I kept forwarding Jonathan and Johnson's
stuff to fill up.
14:31:22 We're on it, right? He probably gets 3 of those. Oh, you're, we can't hear you. We can't hear you.
14:31:31 I think your headset is enough.
14:31:33 Okay, good. That's bad. And I thought it might not be, but I'm like, how do I know?
14:31:30 Don't worry, Commissioner Eisenhower, you were not alone. Yes.
14:31:39 I'm just gonna do it.
14:31:50 Yeah.
14:31:41 So, I'll just. I think the gender request says everything you need to know. I'll just tee it up by saying this is I think the 4.th
14:31:53 Big opioid settlement that we've, been involved in since we started with this litigation back in 2017.
14:32:05 This, one is a little bit different because it's a 1 time payment. And it's, it's around a quarter 1 million dollars that'll be paid in June if all the Litigating local governments
and non-itigating governments sign up.
14:32:23 It's also different in that even if all the non-itigating local governments sign up we will get something close to that number.
14:32:35 But, important to say that for all 3 previous settlements, all the nonitigating local governments in Washington did sign up.
14:32:45 So we have a process now that we have established. In our agreement with the state to split the opioid proceeds in these settlements, 50 50.
14:32:59 That's in the one Washington, agreement, the process required that we go through regional authority.
14:33:08 For distribution of these funds. That was a, a requirement of the, of the 1st settlement.
14:33:16 And so that, you know, the money actually goes to Salish and then gets distributed out by Sailors.
14:33:25 I think the way that Sailors decided to do it. By vote of their board was to send the money back to the individual counties.
14:33:34 Hmm.
14:33:36 There is a 10% administrative hold back for the, for the regional. Entity that It puts the money, some recording, that accepts the money and some recording requirements under
the.
14:33:53 Under the settlement documents basically to make sure that The settlement funds are actually spent for opioid abatement.
14:34:02 There is a very large number of things that qualify for opioid abatement under the settlement documents.
14:34:12 And you might wonder, well, if it's that big a deal, so many things qualify.
14:34:21 Why is it all that important in the 1st place and the reason is that A lot of the lawyers that were involved in in the national litigation we're also involved in the tobacco
litigation several years ago.
14:34:33 And the end result of the tobacco litigation was that a lot of money Spent money that was supposed to go for tobacco abatement on other stuff.
14:34:45 And so the folks that were litigation. The national cases. Wanted to make sure that didn't happen.
14:34:56 So that's why there's a large list but All the entire list. Qualifies for opioid abatement.
14:35:03 So That's sort of my Ti up of it. The, what's required is we have to submit something to . The settlement administrator for this settlement by May 11th and So.
14:35:21 The county administrator's office already has what has to be signed. I believe I sent it along with the agenda request.
14:35:29 But if not, I can get it. 2, I assume it will be Kate that gets executed by the board to sign it since that's what we asked for.
14:35:41 And we'll get that. We'll get that sent in right away. I'm happy to answer any questions that you have about this.
14:35:50 Hey, to the public's benefit. I'll say that, right now, estimate that it would be a 1 time.
14:35:56 And then of around 230,000 minimum of 230,000.
14:36:01 Right.
14:36:04 Questions, comments? I mean, pretty easy to say yes. There's not a lot of incentive to to fight this.
14:36:12 I don't think, you know, it's do you want the or not? I guess I'm wondering.
14:36:16 Heidi, I mean, not really pertinent today, but you've been having conversations. I know we, you know, we split the 1st 2 and the next one, I think one the BHAC as well.
14:36:27 Are there any other needs that you've been having these conversations about? For us to have only have that.
14:36:35 Conversation was it this week I just briefed you on it this morning. Amongst our, behavioral health, the retreat.
14:36:43 Okay. I think that that's the table, the right table, law enforcement and and that's the one thing I'm I guess I feel I've just heard that there's an interest and I think it
qualifies under Appendix A of that one Washington, And I'm fully briefed on that Mark and I had a meeting with the prosecuting attorney and.
14:37:01 Yeah, an apple. For those conversations, they are happening.
14:37:08 And it's setting out I've never served on the behavioral health, but I'm this is my opportunity to be not very informed.
14:37:17 But yeah, I guess I would just say the same thing like are we being really strategic and how we think about these?
14:37:26 Especially one time you think like, is there capital or housing? Need the need to refer to the one Washington MOU and make sure that they're allowed expenses and we're doing
all that all those things.
14:37:39 Cool. Because I mean, I think the question is, do we assume that it's going to the BHC for regular distribution or do we want to think differently about, you know, especially
one night one time.
14:37:51 Yeah. Is there a need that . And, You know, is there a 1 time need? And there's other ways to.
14:38:03 Skin the cat too, yeah, it could be that this therapeutic quartz in the VHC need more of a budget than it's getting and could this kind of offset that to make sure that the
words don't go down and kind of be a transition?
14:38:18 Noise about therapeutic courts needing more funding. So that's very front of front burner right now.
14:38:25 Well, I'm happy to move that we approve the Johnson and Johnson settlement as presented. The Jefferson County.
14:38:32 I will second. Been moved in seconded any further discussion?
14:38:40 I just say just because it's never exactly clear who is representing housing and so many meetings. How things are that.
14:38:51 I would hope that would be part of the conversation too in terms of assessing need.
14:38:59 Alright, all those in favor of, approval of the settlement, please. Great. Thank you, Philip.
14:39:11 Welcome.
14:39:10 No, Nice you save yourself from 3 times however many emails. Okay.
14:39:16 Oh no, there'll be more. We get them from our lawyers too, you know. Nice.
14:39:25 Alright, well I'll see you guys in a little while.
14:39:22 Yeah, and you pass us on us. Alright. Yeah, we'll come over right away though.
14:39:30 Okay, very good. Bye everybody.
14:39:33 Bye. Bye. All right. So, we are going to be going into executive session.
14:39:41 This is a, and open public meetings act. Discuss with legal counsel potential litigation. You don't have my full script here.
14:39:54 That's section to RCW. 42 dot 30 dot 1 10 parentheses one parentheses I.
14:40:03 We are going in at 2 40 and we will be in until 3 10.
14:40:08 And I should say our human resources. Manager, is that right? Says that's your title, director.
14:40:18 Thank you, Kelly, Administrator and, Chief of Deputy Prescotting Attorney will be joining us in executive session.
15:10:17 This is my rant.
15:10:23 Alright, we're coming out of executive session and will not be taking any action. So we have gotten through all the items on our agenda.
15:10:31 So anything else anyone would like to cover today?
14:30:18 From Mark McCauley to Chambers(Direct Message):
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