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09:00:07 So. Thanks. We have
09:00:15 Good morning everyone. We call this meeting the Jackson County Board of Commissioners to order. Well, 8 today.
09:00:24 Thanks for joining us. Someone gonna keep a screen going up the eclipse. Track it virtually too.
09:00:33 Sounds like we won't see much here. My husband's in the in totality just once, for a work business trip.
09:00:39 Oh, nice. That's a nice coincidence. So we have a, A fairly full day today and Just acknowledge.
09:00:56 Thank you. Commissioner Eisenhower for being here. You've had quite a weekend. Yeah, it's not you people here.
09:01:05 What's going on in my own life? Alright, anything else before we jump into public comment?
09:01:15 Nope. Alright. So we welcome from the public both here in person and also online. So we encourage, they want to comment on any item, you know, up to 3Â min for those of you
in the room.
09:01:30 There is a green light that is on until you have 30Â s left and the other light comes on when the red light comes on that is 3Â min please wrap up we ask everyone to please
top up the state your name and this residence so it is not required.
09:01:45 So let's start with folks in the room and then we'll go to folks online.
09:01:50 So who in the room would like to provide public comment? Okay. Maybe numbers today.
09:02:04 Okay, so. Over the past months, I've talked about the dangerously unsanitary conditions in the shelter, and the back.
09:02:21 Shelters in general have a number of. Exemptions health department exemptions and they also have exemptions.
09:02:31 To discriminate against disabled and elderly people due to liability concerns. the fact that we have non functioning showers, a rodent infestation.
09:02:48 And misappropriation of funds. I think it's a conflict of interest to have public officials like Greg Brotherton and Amy Howard on County and City because there's there's no
interest there's a conflict of ethics.
09:03:08 There's no interest and investigating. Misappropriation and, and, and this using the, which, Amy agreed had happened.
09:03:20 Also, I think that people who don't, homeless people who don't want to live in those unsanitary conditions or homeless people who are disabled and discriminated against in housing.
09:03:38 Is there out in public parks? They should not be. Arrested if they're sleeping.
09:03:48 Eating or going to the bathroom. Because there's nowhere to go fun because the shelter is not a functioning filter.
09:04:02 You know, and he was. Inappropriate for habitation to begin with. On living levels. And so what has happened is homeless people are out there.
09:04:15 And they're repeatedly trespassed and There they go to jail, they're fined or whatever.
09:04:22 And, they're told by their public defender to just plead guilty time and again, somebody told me a homeless person this weekend told me in the past 3 years he has been trespassed
30 times and he's told just plead guilty every time.
09:04:40 He hasn't been doing anything illegal. All those times, although I admit I'm sure there's people out there doing the legal stuff, but that will be a small minority of homeless
people who do those things.
09:04:55 So I think we need to go through these cases and exonerate people who were doing nothing but sleeping.
09:05:05 Because the shelter is not an appropriate place. To. I just want to say I think there's been a massive conflict of interest and you guys don't know how to run a shelter and
And, and any hour should not be on the boards.
09:05:29 Will the cap you should not be public. You know, people, Try to give everyone equal opportunity to speak, Yes.
09:05:47 Hi, my name is Shelley Armel. I'm from Bremen. I have 2 issues to address this morning.
09:05:55 First will be my request for a formal acknowledgement that the required sheriff and car being paid for by the pleasant harbor plan resort that's a process and provided to JCSO
will be assigned exclusively to As our needs are grown, it's only logical that it would be located in the general area of the resort.
09:06:13 Explosively, mainly South County. During community meetings, this is also been the expressed opinion of Sheriff and I'm asking for a formalization of this request.
09:06:23 I know that things like this take time and we're just getting started that I wanted to be in the forefront of what we're looking at because we have a tremendous amount of support
in our community for more law enforcement.
09:06:40 Second, help you if you got a chance for us. You all know that I'm a, a proponent of the pool that.
09:06:46 Fixing the call we have, looking at the document that's been put together for this afternoon scheduled meeting.
09:06:53 It doesn't look like as you've said you're looking to get more community input. Instead it looks like a pre written regurgitation of the passport judgments and bad decisions
that have already miserably failed.
09:07:03 It references the previously hidden reports that state the condition of the current goal, but not who will present them.
09:07:10 Can we be assured that'll be WTI and CG engineering? The new task force volunteers need to set their own agenda in curriculum, not before said information from the previous
group wanting a mega church pool that simply can not be sustained by no public funds should be considered for building a new pool facility.
09:07:31 If you continue with this current plan, it will be nothing more than a monumental. Time and money spat.
09:07:36 It also makes you, culpable to your constituents and continues to show that you're listening to a local view that don't want to spend their own money for this pool, but they
want the rest of us too.
09:07:47 There's simply no appetite for more taxes to pay for this bad decision. Do you really want the responsibility to the people who have shown you their support by voting you in
positions that you hold by supporting more task force and more money spent.
09:08:02 Okay. Thank you. Anyone else in the room? Good.
09:08:16 John Holbert from Brennan. 25 year resident of South County. And you may know me from the job that I hold.
09:08:25 On the resort project in Vernon. But it's not why I'm here today.
09:08:30 I'm just I'm not speaking for states but I'm just speaking for myself.
09:08:34 It's been really difficult. The whole time I've lived in Brennan. To get a police presence.
09:08:42 Sheriff's. I mean, we joke about it as yet. Literally, if you call from the sheriff, you call per share.
09:08:54 It's hours if they come at all. Repair taxes, folks. This is just absurd. Now, because of the project that I'm involved in, with what Shelley talked about, we're gonna be paying
again.
09:09:07 Through the project or a pop sheriff's deputy. But there's no designation that he's gonna be down there.
09:09:13 And that's, we feel like we're paying for insurance protection right now. And we don't get it.
09:09:20 So it's a.
09:09:24 It's a little difficult in my position to be able to say I think that this is a good idea.
09:09:29 And yet, I'm required. Okay, so that's really my whole comment. South County is citizens too.
09:09:39 We don't have police protection. We really don't. That's my welcome. Thank you.
09:09:46 Go ahead, sir. Yes.
09:09:52 Then. Thank you.
09:09:58 I'm very well prepared. Thank you.
09:10:04 Hmm. Hello, my name is Will Ferry. I'm the trustee of a family trust property on South Second Street between the Discovery Road in, 19. I have several lots that have been working
very hard for me to improve.
09:10:18 The neighborhood was another mess when I took possession. I've been living on my property with my wife and presently myself since her passenger 3 years ago.
09:10:26 I am not alone seeking to improve my property in the neighborhood, but I and some of my neighbors are being pulled down and held back by a terrible and sizable unpermitted illness
camp on Jefferson County property.
09:10:37 It is at the end of South Second Street in an existing and statutory county road right away. This place is downright scary.
09:10:46 Some of the folks dwell in there. Especially at 3 35 South Seconds live in the normal conditions, some under Tarkson and warmer weather just lay on the ground.
09:10:54 Numerous electric cores are strung through the trees, providing power from the service fall on the county property.
09:10:59 The only county per minute for this address is on an adjoining property and is for a composting toilet for darked over shoulder.
09:11:07 BVD electricity power is located on the county property for all of the shelters, campers, trainers, abandoned vehicles and other neighboring similar and I'm fairly sure none
of this has been permitted or inspected for code compliance, health or safety.
09:11:21 The county has only required public portfolio to be placed at the entrance to the Jacob Miller Trailway.
09:11:26 Human and rodent animal PCs and garbage can be found all over the property or smelled from the road neighborhoods.
09:11:32 Rats thriving the area. I respectfully ask here today that the commissioners and county administrator please come and see individually firsthand.
09:11:41 What is what is on the county property and take action to correct the situation and give our neighborhood a fair shape and equal treatment under the law?
09:11:49 I really appreciate the the situation that was It was done. Between the fire station and the gun flood road.
09:11:59 Clean up at the 1480 South Jacob County, Jacob Miller County road between the fire station and the road.
09:12:07 I observed the county road crews working on this project and cannot imagine the total man hours office and field equipment, logistical support and costs that were dedicated
to this county right of way cleanup crash garbage and event is either.
09:12:20 Thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. Baron.
09:12:24 Right, let's go to folks online. You would like to put that comment, please hit, raise hand button on your screen.
09:12:35 You will need to accept a promotion to panelist. To take that over. He online would like to provide public comments.
09:12:42 Okay.
09:12:58 Good morning commissioners. Can you hear me?
09:13:00 Good morning.
09:13:01 I see heads nodding. Okay, great. Thank you very much.
09:13:05 First, just echo what the person speak who just spoke said. Yeah, thanks a lot to the county for finally cleaning up that mess on Jacob Miller just before the transfer station.
09:13:16 That thing has been a terrible eyesore for years. There's still more to do if you look down the the driveway that leads off into the woods.
09:13:23 It's still pretty grudy but it's a lot of progress from what it's been so thanks.
09:13:31 Yeah.
09:13:28 I have 3 comments for your consent agenda. The first item is item number 2. Actually, I am number one and 2, but this idea of taking the critter lane, which is the short road
that leads to the animal shelter and moving that from county responsibility to presumably the animal shelters responsibility.
09:13:52 Okay.
09:13:53 The have any money to begin with. So I I have some concerns about that. I don't think that's really a smart thing to do because like I say, they're really short of money.
09:14:03 And so that kind of goes along with, you know, item number one, which is taking landfill road out of the county jurisdiction and I guess presumably turning it over to solid
waste.
09:14:15 I'm not sure that solid waste is necessarily qualified to maintain a road like that. I don't know.
09:14:21 It just seems like a strange move. But most importantly, I think is item number 5 on your consent agenda regarding the installation of a set of 4 EV chargers.
09:14:33 In Port Townsend at the community center. I wrote you a long email. A detailed email about my concerns about what's being proposed.
09:14:42 And I hope you, you read it. I know that Mr. Brotherton did. Thank you very much.
09:14:47 This contract, it looks to me like the company that's trying to engage is Trying to offload much old inventory of eight-year-old technology because what's proposed is obsolete.
09:15:00 It's inadequate. It's way too small for what current requirements are and current standards are.
09:15:06 And so I hope that you pull item 5 from the consent agenda specifically and review that with with people who are technically qualified.
09:15:15 To to judge what should be installed for modern level 3 chargers because what's being proposed is a long, long way off from from what's current technology.
09:15:25 And what we will need in the future. Don't get me wrong, very glad to see charging stations going in here, there and everywhere.
09:15:33 We're going to need them. But we need to put in the right kind of charging stations not ones that are based on obsolete connector standards and that are underpowered.
09:15:41 So I'll leave it at that. Thanks very much.
09:15:45 Thank you, Mr. Trish.
09:15:48 Well, so line would like to provide public comment.
09:15:55 I'm guessing, Tracy would like to respond. So, such a services director, Jason, will have you.
09:16:03 Wait and then join us in our responses.
09:16:09 See first, anyone else who would like to provide public comment? Please have the raise hand button at the bottom of your screen.
09:16:18 Maybe we'll go ahead and do some responses and then I'll do one more call out for public.
09:16:26 Yeah. I can go first. Appreciate the public comment as always. I will, I guess I'll start with Maggie.
09:16:37 It is, not the first person to accuse me of conflict of interest for serving in the only cat board, but the attorney general office actually looked at it during our audit and
it is not a conflict of interest, which is specifically Do you get paid at only cap?
09:16:50 Do you get paid at the position of elected and it's required by the the war on private the legislation that Lyndon Johnson started community action programs that you have elected
members on the community action to create to make sure that you have public interest behind the policy direction of.
09:17:13 So it's not a conflict of interest. I know Amy has reached out to the interim ED about the and and you know we're doing everything we can to make sure it works.
09:17:25 I've been told on multiple occasions that there were the showers both showers do work one takes a little while to warm up and that It's all back their mind you.
09:17:42 I'm like, I'm a, I'm like, you, Maggie. And we continue to address this.
09:17:51 I'll have a little bit of an update on the situation, but, we continue to address this.
09:17:57 I'll have a little bit of an update on, the situation, but, I think as we've stated having that shelter there is, a really critical lifeline for those folks and, you know, I
mean, Everyone's always, you know, you can go to other places, people can get trespassed off private property.
09:18:10 At any time and public property, if there is a place like the shelter to go. And, And maybe we're gonna let, like, the, to speak now.
09:18:26 Counterpoint with Wills letter and the the issues there I will come out and see it and it's we know what happens when it's unmanagement campaigns turn into solid waste and environmental
waste, horror shows and I'm glad the one by Jake Miller Road was has been mostly cleaned up and that is, you know, the other place.
09:18:49 I guarantee that the emergency shelter is a more habitable location than the encampment that he's complaining about.
09:18:55 So we'll continue to do everything we can. For all the residents of Jefferson County and.
09:19:02 You know, the goal is still to keep that shelter open until we can. Get the gap funding to build a permanent shelter.
09:19:10 To Shelley and Joan. yeah, I appreciate you coming up and asking.
09:19:20 About that one contract, requirement of. Pleasant harbor pain for law enforcement. I think that is a great thing to give guaranteed.
09:19:27 I can't do it right now, but I, we can start the conversation and I think it makes a lot of sense to me.
09:19:32 We're looking at other options to get sort of dedicated South County law enforcement. I mean we are a small rural county with over 400 miles of roads and it's.
09:19:43 Challenge you know and I live at the end of a road and I know that I get a different service level response than you do if you live in a road and I know that I get a different
service level response than you do if you live in a municipality or an area with more And that's Yeah, it's, it's part of the balance.
09:19:58 We all the decision tree that we all make when we choose where we live, but I do agree that we need more South County law enforcement presence and and we're you know the sheriff's
office had a presentation to make a dedicated South County officer last year.
09:20:12 We're. Looking for how we can make that pencil in the budget even before we get to pleasant Harvard getting built out.
09:20:18 So I'm with you in the desire for a South County law enforcement officer. I mean, a South County law enforcement officer still has to respond to incidents elsewhere.
09:20:28 So it's not just like any of our fire departments that still have and if there is a fire in Discovery Bay you'll have Quill seen in Port Ludlow everything converging and it's
about They are reactive agencies, not proactive agencies in many ways, but I take your point and I agree to the healthier together.
09:20:48 We'll go over the document. The first time the other commissioners have seen that document and is with in the agenda today.
09:20:56 But we're, you know, we're This is a to minimize cost to try to find a path to a public pool.
09:21:02 I know you said you didn't want a public pool. And, many people don't.
09:21:07 Nothing's on the ballot yet, but continuing the research, continuing to ask the tough questions, you know, that's That is our covenant with the people that elect us.
09:21:15 So having those conversations is not something I'm going to shy away from. Dropping confirmation bias of previous assumptions is something that we're We're absolutely trying
to do with this group and the group itself will have a lot of input into how these meetings go.
09:21:35 You know, you need to throw have something to throw the mud at. And so this this plan is a is a great starting point I think and we'll discuss it more at 3 o'clock so I encourage
people to zoom in at 3 o'clock.
09:21:48 To Mr. Cheers comments. I mean we're gonna have to talk about the Humane Society and a more fundamental way because I think that they it is true that they have real funding
issues and I had that concern too I don't know.
09:22:01 I mean, there's not a lot of road and you know. General general practice is to not have county roads that have a gate in front of them that are not accessible to the public.
09:22:11 So I think it makes a lot of sense. But you know, no one really wants to live on county landfill lane anyways or road or wherever it is.
09:22:21 The funding issue that I think Mr. Ters talked about with the humane society. An agreement is coming to the board shortly that will help, the funding situation, but the humane
society.
09:22:38 And covering the cost of utilities.
09:22:40 And they can always, you know, contract with public works to gravel or local contractor. Picking that road out, it is more of a driveway.
09:22:51 Okay, yeah, no, it makes sense. Certainly it's a solid waste one and I'm glad to hear that contract.
09:22:59 And I think it is long past due that we give some financial support to the to Mr. Cheers's comments, other comments, I, you know, I agree with a lot of your, statements.
09:23:11 I think we should, you know, I'm interested to hear what Tracy says, but I'd be happy, you know.
09:23:17 To pull this and have a deeper conversation. I think it is you want to future proof the infrastructure that you put in and you know while Most cars can't take advantage of a
350 kilowatt charger, you know, that it is the future.
09:23:31 And so it, it is a little concerning to see. Technology put into a new place. It's just It will work, but it won't work.
09:23:40 As long as as current technology especially in the level 2 is having something a little faster than 70 kilowatt makes a lot of sense because otherwise Just yeah and also taking
5 cents per kilowatt hour on a charge.
09:23:55 For the county. I don't know. I mean, I guess I guess I think a deeper conversation, cause we're gonna do a bunch of these and I think it's, well, this is an, grand program.
And this is what's available. That, program.
09:24:12 If we go back and say, this isn't adequate, but then let's just not install them at all and if there's not an alternative to put in newer technology.
09:24:19 The county doesn't have the funds to do this on their own. And so. Yeah, shall we hear from Tracy?
09:24:28 Yeah, I think that would that'd be great. I just would love to talk about it more.
09:24:32 I'm not saying no I just wanna understand how we got here. And, can decide whether we want to pull it from consent and have a longer conversation later.
09:24:45 Good morning, Chasey. Thanks for joining us.
09:24:49 Good morning, can you hear me?
09:24:52 Great. So a couple things. Mark has touched on a few of the topics anyway. In regards to 1 1 12 critter lane, that actually road is going to be turned over to central services
is not going to be turned over to you.
09:25:05 To the animal shelter. So central services is now going to maintain that road. And so just know that.
09:25:13 That instead of being in the public works domain which is not a county road because it's closed off by a gate will now be central services which is my department and so we'll
maintain it I'm actually having it re-graded and re-raveled in 2 weeks so we should be good to go.
09:25:29 We'll still be maintaining it just at a different department throughout the county. So to answer that. And then also in regards to the multiple questions that I've just made
aware of this morning on the AV charging station.
09:25:40 Mark did make another comment too, which is true. This is a grant. It's a grant awarded to the county.
09:25:47 We are actually just a host site. So we are paying for any of the infrastructure that's going in.
09:25:53 We aren't paying for any of the electoral infrastructure, any of the charging stations. And we aren't maintaining them.
09:26:03 That's all part of this grant program. And so the county absolutely has the option to say we don't want a charging station.
09:26:10 It might not be the top of the line charging station right now as Okay. Technologies does change and it advances, but it is a charging station nonetheless that's available to
the county through this grant program.
09:26:22 I know there's some other questions in regards to what should be used level 2 level 3.
09:26:29 We have level 2 and level 3 charging stations going in throughout throughout the county. Excuse me in a couple locations.
09:26:36 This contract is same based on whether we put a level 2 or level 3 charger in. This is what it would be.
09:26:46 At this time, I'm not exactly sure if we're putting in the level 2 or level 3.
09:26:52 We're putting in, I think we're putting in the level 2 charger out at the visitor center at the 3 charger at the port towns and community center.
09:26:59 Also, I wanted to address the proposed cable length of 4 meters. That's 13 feet. Typical width of a vehicle is 6 feet wide, so we absolutely have enough pose length to reach
on either side of the vehicle.
09:27:11 And it's a dual charging station so it can reach on each side of so 13 feet is more than sufficient length to go across the vehicle.
09:27:19 And then the easement language in regards to that, that easement language is just to say we're going to do our best to get this easement in timely fashion because they cannot
put.
09:27:28 Their charging stations on property without an easement. So they're just saying, hey, we're saying that you need to come and give us an in a timely fashion.
09:27:38 And if you don't, then basically we're not going to put our charges in. So I'm not too concerned about the easement language.
09:27:43 And, there's a comment, there's no cap on the rate that chargers can use.
09:27:48 That's absolutely true. In any charging station in any state, there's there's not really a cap that's out there and that's thanks to the wonderful public PUD now we all know
that PUDD rates are set through the power companies and that the power companies in our accelerate have to go to the Public Utility Commission for those rates and that's all based on
the infrastructure.
09:28:12 And as we know when we do infrastructure in the grid with windmills, charging stations, solar, so on and so forth, you're building at the infrastructure.
09:28:20 So thus the PVs go to the public utility commission to say We have more infrastructure that we have to build.
09:28:26 We need a rate increase. And oh, by the way, these electric vehicles, solar power, so and so forth.
09:28:32 Are, they're taking that demand for power and sometimes it's very peak. Now I understand people say, yes, solar can sell it back.
09:28:39 That's true. But on these EV charging stations, they do take demand for power and we have to have the grid that that can handle that power.
09:28:48 So, there is no cap on that and they're just like there's no cap except for what the public utility commission puts on your house killowatt hour.
09:29:01 It's the same concept. It's a plug-in, you're plugging something in and you're paying the PD. So that's true.
09:29:08 When we talk about that rate. We're talking about a rate that's being given back to the county not charged in addition to.
09:29:15 So when we're saying we're getting a 5 to 3% 3% rebate that's based on the kilowatt hour that they're actually charging at those stations and they're not charging an additional
5 cents per kilowatt hour to pay to us.
09:29:30 They're giving us 5 cents out of whatever they're total charges. They're not marking it up to give us an additional Okay, so if they're charging a buck.
09:29:38 Per kilowatt hour, we're gonna get 5 cents per kilowatt hour that will go into our fake to be used on what we deemed necessary.
09:29:46 Now something else I want to bring to your attention is that these stations are fully maintained. By the the grant and by the the company that we're signing this contract with
for 10 years.
09:30:00 And we actually, we received correspondence from them to say that they'll maintain it for 20 years as well.
09:30:07 If we wanted to and that's all inclusive of what this charge is being charged at, they will maintain those.
09:30:14 I think that there was a good comment about that. Some of the charging stations, you know, up in DC or wherever are not functioning.
09:30:23 I know myself personally when I have gone to a charging station with electric vehicle that I had, that charging station wasn't working.
09:30:33 And that's something that happens. Anything goes down. We always have maintenance that has to happen. So we just need to make sure that when we sign this contract and if we
have the utility.
09:30:43 Charging station that's down that we just notify and make sure that they can get out the time and fashion.
09:30:48 The nice thing is there will be more than one charging station. So if one's down, we'll have another target station that you should be able to use.
09:30:55 Many times 2 of these charge stations, they remote in to fix them. They don't have to have somebody on site.
09:31:01 And the other thing I wanted to talk about is meter ownership on that meter ownership. What they're saying is they have the right to own the meter if it's allowable.
09:31:13 And they actually can own the account. So what they're saying is they're in charge of paying that meter usage.
09:31:20 To the PV so they have the right to own that account and then if it's applicable they can own the meter that they are allowed to do that as well in this particular case they're
not allowed to own the meet or the PV owns a eater, but they do have the right to own the account.
09:31:35 And then for signage, they're just saying it's with, within reason of reasonability, to put their proposed signage and obviously will make that based on the local ordnance.
09:31:46 So there's not going to be any sideage out there that doesn't go with our local ordinance.
09:31:50 So I think I've addressed most of the questions. The only thing that we had no control over is the type of charging stations that are put in there because it is a grant.
09:32:00 You have is to say We don't want the grant. Thank you very much. We don't choose to take these charging stations.
09:32:08 And then move forward. So that's kind of the option that I have there.
09:32:13 Thank you, Tracy. How do we wanna handle this item? Yeah, I don't know.
09:32:21 I guess I've got some questions. I don't know. It feels like we need a workshop because it feels like it's gonna be.
09:32:27 I mean.
09:32:31 Yeah.
09:32:29 I mean, you're seeing demand and an increasing issue. As we go forward. I remember working with Chris Goy on these initial brand applications.
09:32:40 And that was some time ago and the technology was different. Even in that timeframe, we were applying for those grants.
09:32:47 So. You know, this is a situation where the technology is, Okay.
09:32:56 Increasing more rapidly than the grant period, you know, and so how do we respond to that or how do we how do we ask that I mean, all of us drive all of us have an electric
vehicle.
09:33:11 I mean, I also Have a 1986 Volvo station wagon that gets towed regularly but I have had situations encountering charging stations.
09:33:22 Like a bank of charging stations and there's like 4 charging stations and one still working and there's 3 cars lined up to use that one to get enough charge to get to the next
charging station.
09:33:33 It would be nice if we thought this through, so we. Try and get ahead of those. Instances where people are gonna be caught in a bind and I think she was referring to the Tracy
was referring to the gateway visitor center being a level 2 charger.
09:33:51 It could take a long time and level 2 to charge enough to get to Chima. I think they all get level 3 was my understanding.
09:34:00 At that there was 4 level 3 and one level 2 at the 4 times and community center is what this contract is, right?
09:34:05 I know, but there was mention of the gateway visitor center as well. Yeah. So it feels like we need to understand and what then.
09:34:13 What the plan is. Are we the applicant again or as EVCS? Are we stuck with EVCS?
09:34:20 Or no, so they are they the applicant? No, I don't know. Did they submit for the grant?
09:34:33 Yeah, someone is trying to give us a hundred bucks. And you want 200 bucks. I would rather have 2 3 50 chargers than for 1 50 charge.
09:34:49 Increase capacity on a fewer number of chargers. So that we know we have better charging capacity. Okay, I suspect that they got a large inventory of what's operating to us
like Mr. Tears suggested might be the case.
09:35:06 We can certainly go back to them and try to negotiate. Different charging units. We'd be happy to do that.
09:35:15 Could it be a matter 2 of the what power is available at these different locations?
09:35:23 Good.
09:35:22 I think you need 3 things. What kind of transformers do they have in the area? Yes, go ahead Tracy.
09:35:32 Okay, can you hear me? No, I met with PDD on the side. The power source is adequate for what's on site and you guys are absolutely 100% right that you can you can kick the can
down the road and you can say well let's look at this but you'll lose your grant and then you're gonna apply for another grant you're gonna be in the same situation 2 years from
09:35:52 now. So I'm just letting you know that a grant is The grant that you have is based on what they're providing you if you want something else you can say I don't want to accept
this grant and move down you can ask like Mr. McCauley said, Mark, you can ask for the $200.
09:36:14 Versus the 100 that they're giving you, but the chance of that happening is slim to none, but you can absolutely ask.
09:36:22 It never hurts to ask, but I don't think you're gonna get it. Before I put, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, your poll does.
09:36:22 I don't think we were. Yeah. I don't think we were saying that we wanted $200 for a hundred dollar grant.
09:36:31 I think we were saying What can we do most effectively with that $100? To get charging capacity to these.
09:36:42 Right.
09:36:42 Well, especially to the remote honey. And there has to be they it's not like the folks working on the front lines of EV charging installation aren't aware of the current technology
and what issues are arising.
09:37:00 Correct.
09:36:57 So I don't think it's a stupid question. And so I only have electric, an electric vehicle, 100% electric vehicle, 100% electric and, putting in infrastructure that doesn't make
sense that is not, is basically not functional like that I that I'm not interested in so a 7 Killowatt Charger at the visitors center, a little bit gateway.
09:37:24 That is useless. And so I think it's, we have that local knowledge. Evcs does not.
09:37:32 And I think we We are saying let's make sure that what we're what we're proposing here is actually functional.
09:37:38 Right. How long would it take to charge at a 7 kilowatt? Charger to get from Gateway to.
09:37:45 70Â h, 70 miles. An hour I think. I mean, the 1 50 to 3 50 is, you know, in many ways less of an issue like often you know you're getting you'd get Almost the same on a 1 50,
but you know as we move forward there's going to be more you know cars that have the bigger background battery packs that can that can charge faster honestly if the 150 is
09:38:09 less of an issue for me than the 7 kilowatt to level 2 charges so it just I guess And so we applied for, I'm still curious, I guess Tracy, this is a question for you.
09:38:20 We applied for this grant with EVCS. Is that? They were already there are they're part of this package already.
09:38:26 Yes. We couldn't do an RFP and say we want a different provider.
09:38:31 That's correct. They worked with us. In that they actually submitted the grant application for us and they.
09:38:39 And it's actually there's 2 different grants that we're talking about. One grant is for the port towns and community center.
09:38:45 One grant is for the one of the federal ones a state grant and one is for the Olympic Peninsula Center they're not both the same grant.
09:38:52 Agency once federal, the one at Port Townsend is federal and then the one at the Olympic is state at a state level.
09:39:00 But just so you know it's pulled and we're supposed to hear back because of funding in a couple weeks whether or not we're actually going to get the Olympic Peninsula Center,
Grant back, but the one at the Port Townsend Community Center is federal and it is a level 3 charger and I was I was trying to read the contract real quick like I said I just got this
this morning within about an
09:39:26 hour this starting. I was trying to read the contract. I think it said that that it would be at a minimum of a hundred 50 not that not would be a hundred 50 kilowatt hour as
far as that charger goes so I've put a couple calls into the Grant Administrator to see if that's what it was for sure.
09:39:45 We can actually get that clarification to make sure but they didn't get back to me in time to be able to answer you today this morning.
09:39:52 Sounds like you need to pull it and we'll bring it back. I mean, we don't want to kick it too far down the road, but you know, maybe the afternoon.
09:39:59 Well, and there might be some questions we can't answer. That quickly, but, so I think we should probably, it'd be nice to just get some expertise in this conversation too you
know could there be a fast charger at I love the gateway.
09:40:16 If there is 3 base there and that's possibility. I think that is something we really want to consider.
09:40:22 I really Like I've gotten stuck in Pulseboat trying to get back and there's there only level 2 chargers there and like you know I mean I would have safety concerns about people
having to sleep overnight there in order to get home like encouraging that.
09:40:37 I don't think that's a great idea. So, I I would like to give some thought and see what kind of flexibility we have.
09:40:45 To put this through a local we can get what we really need. And I would honestly love to have some idea of what they were gonna charge.
09:40:57 I mean, like as Tracy, I mean, they could they could charge whatever even if we said we don't want the 5 cents per kilowatt hour if they put on 50 cents per kilowatt hour, it
becomes.
09:41:05 Yeah, it seems like user to me at that point. It's just so understanding that is if can't, you know, I don't want to turn money down.
09:41:13 I don't want to turn the infrastructure down, but it's, It's a large an excessive rate that people would just pass and look for a different charger.
09:41:23 Unless you've only got, you know, 4 miles left on your battery and you absolutely need it.
09:41:31 Per gallon of gas when you don't have any gas in your tank. You're gonna bad for sure.
09:41:37 Yeah, no, that's true. But. You know, how many free? There's 5, 4 free level 2 chargers around and, I guess.
09:41:47 I don't know, I just, I agree with the utility and infrastructure that we're trying to spread out and we just sure it's reasonable.
09:41:54 So, yeah, the bullet and if we can come back with answers this afternoon, we will. If not, we'll get the expertise that you're talking about.
09:42:02 Contact, contact the company and see if we can trade up somehow. I mean, if we contribute.
09:42:08 Financially to upgrade and chargers. I don't know what options exist.
09:42:14 Okay.
09:42:14 I've left voicemails for the,
09:42:21 Kayan strategies and just to see if they're available to join in on the call.
09:42:28 I haven't been able to get through to them, but if they have some information, they will have to join this afternoon to give you guys the information that you need.
09:42:34 Thank you. We could lean on some of our folks at the kind of action committee too who've been involved in some of these grants.
09:42:41 So, really knowledgeable about, both the grants and, different charging needs.
09:42:48 So, Thank you. Did you finish up your response, Craig? Greg said, on the shelter conditions, we've been hearing a lot about this and I haven't been down to the shelter for I
think about 4 and a half years.
09:43:12 Seems like a field trips in order. I don't know if that's possible or.
09:43:17 I guess. It will be necessary based on the potential plan. I mean I will say that only cap.
09:43:25 Is, so they can continue to operate until the end of June, which is when the contract ends up and then the American Legion indicated after their executive board meeting that
they would be willing to talk to the county about continuing operation.
09:43:41 So if it's a coalition it would be a county-led coalition so it's in a wide open conversation with no particular.
09:43:51 I mean, it's not something that we do operate through shelters, but, if we consider it, we might feel different.
09:44:01 I'm responding to all of I feel like I have no first hand subject matter knowledge to know what.
09:44:07 Julia is talking about so I just feel a little unequipped to. Anyway, so that was my idea.
09:44:15 To just go take a look and get some first hand knowledge of what's happening down there. Yeah.
09:44:24 I think we're on a path for a solution with South County sheriff presence. We talked about it.
09:44:31 In the last budget setting. Process we committed to finding the funds to do that. So recall saying that or the agreeing that we would Yeah.
09:44:44 I do. I remember that as well. Pulled again at the process in July. And so I don't know what, in terms of this contract with Pleasant Harbor.
09:44:56 I'm not aware that we're committed to providing. They're, they're required to pay for, law enforcement.
09:45:06 One of the 31 conditions. True that up with what we're planning with our, you know, mid by name review and.
09:45:19 I don't know if there's a trigger, you know, they have to have a certain amount of development completed before that that obligation kicks in.
09:45:24 To ask about what's in that agreement. Specifically, and we do have competing requirements as we always do.
09:45:35 You know, and we do have competing requirements as we always do. You know, and we do have competing requirements as we always do.
09:45:37 You know, the PA's office is begging for, yeah, we do have competing requirements as we always do.
09:45:38 You know, the PA's office is begging for yet another DPA and I've And I think Monty Ryaners has said that he'd be willing to help fund another VPN.
09:45:44 And we have negotiations coming up with the share of bargaining units and we know those are gonna be spending agreements.
09:45:52 So. And anyway, I heard heard of another potential, funding mechanism that might defray some of those costs.
09:46:01 Not quite right yet, but we're talking about an additional officer or additional prosecuting might be the board.
09:46:09 I'd love to hear about those. So I mean, I think this is a tricky situation because we know the sheriff is an independently elected official.
09:46:18 He has. Say over how his staff is allocated we can fund number of positions. And in this case, we are obligated to pull the development agreement, which we created with.
09:46:35 So it's gonna be a bit of a weird triangulation and I. If John and Shelley were here, I was gonna say.
09:46:40 You know, just be sure that you're talking to the sheriff about this too, because we, only have the levers partially in our control and they're aware of this.
09:46:51 Bring that request to us in the last budget setting process. It was from the sheriff's office. So this is not coming out of that field from us to them.
09:47:00 And the board can always condition an additional deputy on that deputy having a certain patrol area and station. That does kind of get into.
09:47:11 Doing I don't know I understand Kate's point you know we don't we don't allocate then we're gonna start saying well we want 20% doing traffic control or anything I just it's
you know but the relationship that the board has with the other elected share included.
09:47:29 I mean, it's collaborative and I'm sure I mean we could actually have a written document that would Okay, would formalize that arrangement.
09:47:41 And I think Andy and Joe would be happy to sign on to something like that. I think we need that.
09:47:47 Yeah. Let's see, other. Points. The the comments about the, will be talking about that a lot this afternoon, but I think the task force, the goal part of the goal of the task
force is to get at the common received over the last.
09:48:05 6 8 months about a broader coalition being involved in the planning of the Aquatic Center. And much improved transparency.
09:48:17 Yeah. So hopefully that task force will address some of the concerns that Shelley shared. I, to Mister Ferry, I'm wondering if the site that you're talking about I'm imagining
it's on the radar of our code enforcement team that someone's filed a complaint that you file the complaint that you file the complaint.
09:48:43 Okay, so just sometimes takes a while they have over a hundred active cases. And so, you know, it's just.
09:48:52 Requires patience on all of our parts, but once those. Complaints get. Filed.
09:48:58 I know that they work to prioritize. Sites and you know, it looks like it's a 1 that needs to be a priority.
09:49:08 I can hear you so it's a get go back and forth. Yeah, I apologize. Yeah, but I feel free to follow up and.
09:49:19 District. Yeah, yeah, happy to talk with you. I mean, we talked about, we'll talk about the chargers later, but.
09:49:29 I have been frustrated a number of times with broke down charging stations around Western Washington and Northeast Oregon and I hope we can get some, more dependable.
09:49:43 And I think.
09:49:46 Yeah, that's in addition to what Greg said, that's what I had to add. Great.
09:49:53 Yeah, I don't have a whole lot more. These are all things that are kind of in process right now.
09:49:58 That's probably solved or answer. Thank you, Jeffrey. I is not familiar with the encampment that you've brought to our attention today and
09:50:10 Yeah, curious. If we have, you know, public health. On that as well.
09:50:18 It is being an accounting right of way that gives some additional tools for helping with cleanup and such, but the just the capacity of departments is limited to to be able
to do that.
09:50:35 Let's see, anything else to add? I don't think so. You know, we're working on the animal shelter.
09:50:44 Issue a traditional Sunday. Good to hear that central services, taking care of that. Yes, yeah, that's great.
09:50:53 Really, really grateful that Tracy and her team are, helping out by doing the regaining and paving too.
09:50:58 That's the kind of The landlord and paper. We want to be to the animal shelter. We recognize the important work that they do on behalf of the public safety.
09:51:09 Yeah, I don't think I have anything else to add given that we're going to continue to talk about.
09:51:14 Pretty much all of these issues for months to come, I believe. So, I said I would do one more call for public kind of, so, a little bit outside our window, but.
09:51:28 I will honor that. We only do one public. Only one public 100%. In each period.
09:51:41 Anyone else online? Alright, I'll go ahead and close public comments. Okay.
09:51:48 Take a look at consent agenda. We've agreed to pull number 5. We're gonna continue to workshop that a little bit more.
09:51:56 A few of these things already. I mean, if they're taking down the road signs, I would take both the critter lane.
09:52:04 And a county landfill road sign. Thank you. No, there's in this process for that.
09:52:17 Oh yeah. Well, I don't know if we get 3 signs like. I don't have any comments about the specific items on the consent agenda other than the ones we discussed today, Happy to
move to approve the consent agenda for April eighth, 2024 minus item number 5, which you will discuss later today.
09:52:42 I'll second. Any further discussion? All those in favor, please say I. Agenda is approved minus item number 5.
09:52:55 Thanks. So, 1030, we have a hearing. Go ahead and do this letter of support next and then we'll use this for time for Letter support to consider.
09:53:13 The restriction, that needs to be made before you sign this letter if you decide to do so.
09:53:20 The commissioner is one correction that needs to be made before you sign in this letter if you decided to do so.
09:53:22 The years it says, 2,000, and 23 through 2024, I believe it should be 2024, and 2025.
09:53:26 Yeah. Okay. Okay. Thanks for picking us up, Mark.
09:53:34 Chief Black had sent this to me and I. Where is it to Mark to get this on there? Good.
09:53:47 Good. This is a program we all support and appreciative what Yeah. My one of Mike, one of my experiences in the last week is my mom passed away and I had to call.
09:54:07 East Jefferson Fire and Rescue for ellipticist and I was just so grateful. Hey, showed up with smiles on their face and moved from one bed to the other and it was just like,
in, to me if you need cares, let me know, you know, you need that kind of support and it's just in the moments when you're that stressed out.
09:54:23 It's so Such a relief, have that support and this team. Shows up in that way and spades for the community and I would write any letter of support for the CARES team to anyone.
09:54:39 So I wasn't able to do it when he asked. So thank you, Carolyn. And AVL is probably listening for getting this done.
09:54:45 I'm happy to move that we, approve all signing this, letter of support with the date modifications as noted.
09:54:56 I will gleefully second. Okay, any further discussion? Hey, yeah. Alright.
09:55:06 But it'll start its parents.
09:55:09 Okay, should we take a look back at our calendars? Yeah, this will probably be brief.
09:55:20 Mexico. Okay.
09:55:26 I'll go first and you know there was I mentioned a little bit but there was stuff that happened even though I was on vacation all week long.
09:55:35 So it wasn't with you last Monday. And we had the big. Recompete coalition, meeting.
09:55:41 I've got a written update from it, but it sounds like it's moving on and the team is I would say coalescing day by day.
09:55:49 And then, George and maybe David Wayne attended the PLVC meeting for me, to talk about that NPR agreement that I think we received notes about there's some concerns from the
community about the the impending end in 2025 of the NPR agreement there so Alright, I think George has been the planner working most on that as they get ready for negotiate with PLA
about how
09:56:14 that might change. So they attended in my stead on Thursday the fourth. I missed a couple of EDC meetings and then did here as I said from the.
09:56:27 The commander of the American Legion that they would be willing to negotiate. Continuing the lease with the county and asked what agency and that's the one they talked about.
09:56:37 So there's a definitely a coalition that is building that is interested in. Keeping that going, but we should maybe.
09:56:48 Set some time aside, we'll have a meeting. We have a meeting I think this week, that, Laura from, Laura from.
09:56:56 Public health call that I'll facilitate that we can. So if we can just have a kind of a top level conversation about how we might wanna do it.
09:57:04 And if we want to talk about scheduling some visit time, I, I can set that up with Olicap and of course, pathogen is that.
09:57:10 Holy cap as well and to operate this. Without additional mind without that is a, 27 K got operated until the end of June.
09:57:19 And that was my week that I didn't participate in. That sounds pretty effective. I did try and forward things off.
09:57:37 To Mark and Carolyn when they came, they hit my desk and obviously a few things. We're mobilized, which is awesome.
09:57:46 So I cancelled everything last week except for Saturday. I did go and cut the ribbon on the farmers market.
09:57:57 And did the go parade because I thought my mom would be proud of me and wanted me to do that.
09:57:59 Wanted to go to opening day at the, for Dowson Farmers Market and the. Market.
09:58:06 And then I went down and, was ready to help with the firearm safety safe storage event public health hosted at the Grange.
09:58:16 And they were well staffed and didn't need my help but turns out I needed some of the supplies and education they were offering for my.
09:58:26 My brother and so I went through their whole roundabout of folks in the room and that was really great.
09:58:34 There were folks from Seattle or Children's Hospital in Seattle. They funded. And hosted co-hosted this event with public health.
09:58:45 Some wonderful staff from there and then. Veronica showed me how to use the items that I was gonna be obtaining and then I got the items I was gonna be obtaining and then I
talked with ona was there on the call and then John Ebner.
09:59:03 And Bill, we're there. They do the firearms idea education. So it was, it was great to see kind of the 3 60.
09:59:12 Kind of Hi, and all that all the ways that we could potentially get crosswise with firearms in our community.
09:59:21 Well, and, you know, there's a, exit at all, shooting of a 5 year old yesterday in Portangelis.
09:59:34 It's important. They were they were handing out small walk boxes for handguns and triggers trigger locks which seemed really useful to me.
09:59:45 And then cable locks. So that you can. Lock your box to like under your, of your car so no one could steal your, gun anyway it was it was a good I thought it was a really solid
event and Kudos to Barbara Jones.
10:00:01 She did a great job. From being the lead for our team. So that was.
10:00:06 Hi, very light week class, very heavy light week. Let's see. I had a short week.
10:00:21 Tuesday, and a meeting with the PGM partnership on, Growth Management, possible legislation.
10:00:30 Looking at the growth management act. Not a lot to report there, high level ideas still and you know, kind of still trying to figure out the legislature's appetite for.
10:00:41 Looking at grass management and the upcoming. Meeting on Wednesday morning to talk about the, picking up again the work of the food policy group that was created around.
10:00:59 And was the CARES Act funding early on in. So, there's some appetite from folks who are involved in that.
10:01:14 Yes. And trying to think about where that live. Does that live in? I'm an action committee.
10:01:19 Does that live in DEM? If there's funding available, so, something that, bring him back to this group.
10:01:25 Just. If there are funding opportunities. I was remiss in getting any information from you about the recompete meeting.
10:01:37 At the last minute I was like, oh, right, this meeting has been portangelist where, like, so I totally failed.
10:01:45 And, you're said, because I didn't put it on my calendar, but no details.
10:01:49 Yeah, and I can feel like driving around. Los Angeles. Maybe if we have time, Amanda can tell us about it.
10:02:02 And then, had a long interview with, house centers, which has to do some research on.
10:02:13 Department fish and wildlife. I'm just gonna have companies interact with this and I'd like to spend an afternoon with them.
10:02:19 Thursday, Oh. Not a whole lot. I was mostly mostly off on Thursday. Spring break.
10:02:30 So. Nice to have a long weekend away in the sunshine. Burned my lips so badly. I know so much.
10:02:42 You'll see me putting on a, a hundred times. Not used to. It's not seen sat in first 6 months.
10:02:46 So. That was my week. How about you, Mark? Okay.
10:02:55 But I had a short week also spring break. My granddaughter came to visit from Virginia. So it was off on Thursday and Friday and I was with board all day on Monday.
10:03:09 So really 2 days to report on. Okay. And my senior management team meeting. And then at 1030 on Tuesday, risk management committee.
10:03:21 Meeting and then in the afternoon a coordinating meeting. With Josh and Brent. And I'm not sure the boy's aware of it.
10:03:30 Brent's employment status has changed. He's full time employees now. Clark hired. And his hours will shrink over time.
10:03:41 And then on Wednesday, concerns. I met with the sheriff, the CURRENTLY. And, David, 14, to talk about upcoming, negotiations with the FLP, which corrections.
10:03:56 Productive meeting. Gonna be out for most of April. Doing care getting for its mother in New York.
10:04:06 In the meeting that Tracy and I met with. To talk about, collaborating on capital projects. And so.
10:04:18 That was my mute. Shall we look ahead? Sure, I can do it. Let's see.
10:04:29 I'm with you all today for a fairly full day. Tomorrow I am going to the Olympic Peninsula Tourism Summit at Field Arts and Eventall and PA.
10:04:38 That's an all day event. So I'll be missing that. EDC finance may meeting and had to reschedule.
10:04:46 I left one board meeting because it couldn't get a quorum. And then I will skip class to join you at the Growth Management Steering Committee so I can.
10:04:56 Continue to for growth. Yeah, well, I feel like I'm gonna go as an advocate actually.
10:05:08 Chair. Oh. Yeah, yeah, I can share. Okay, apologies.
10:05:13 I, it wasn't on my calendar until late last week and, I scheduled my flight to meeting. So I've got your airplane.
10:05:24 I won't. Okay, oh, I was counting on your vote. Do I get your vote?
10:05:26 Can I get a proxy? And obviously medium growth is not working. But I think I only have one other ally.
10:05:41 But yes, I think. Let's see on Wednesday I am, Headed down to Olympia for an in person orca meeting.
10:05:56 We have a finance committee media at 9 on the road. I'll do, our team Jefferson, our local team Jefferson recompete meeting and then.
10:06:05 After the finance meeting and the regular orca board meeting, we have a, field trip to the Silver Springs compost facility.
10:06:14 I'll be coming back. On Thursday. One of the nice things that's an offshoot of Recompete is just and a partnership.
10:06:26 So Betsy Davis is starting up beyond recompute. How do we keep the the good partnership going?
10:06:30 So we're having a beyond recompete meeting Thursday morning. I'll be meeting with Barb Jones to debrief from the community meetings they've been having kind of the trial preliminary
meetings to meetings in South County.
10:06:41 Getting her feedback on what they've learned so far. And we have a special. Meeting of LTAC to consider some you know the Parks and Rec application as well as talking a little
bit about budgeting and figuring out how we wanna schedule this year.
10:07:01 On Friday, we have our regular recompete meeting and I have a regular meeting with the president.
10:07:09 Jack and McDade as we it's task force going I mean like mark to that or, you know, a couple other people just, as we ramp up based on the, outputs of today's conversation.
10:07:23 And that's my week.
10:07:29 Well, because I cancelled everything last, I actually. I kind of canceled things preemptively.
10:07:35 So now I'm putting things back. On my calendar. So tomorrow I have the.
10:07:44 Both management steering committee meeting and I guess is that it the port for the pavilion building.
10:07:52 Okay. And then Wednesday I have a. My DNR carbon and forest management work group legislative work group that I'm on.
10:08:02 We're kinda halfway through our work and it's for sure. Thursday we have our Jefferson County monthly check in with Mallory and our forestry work.
10:08:17 And then Friday I have the NICO Public Land Steering Committee monthly meeting. Looking farther forward.
10:08:27 I have a conflict on the nineteenth. I'll be sharing the straight. Quarterly meeting.
10:08:41 I could certainly happy to swap with.
10:08:44 I had to cancel last week. So I don't know what. It's also our, isn't that our quarterly, county coordination meeting.
10:09:00 Yeah. I mean, that's from 1130 to 1230. It's only 30Â min on my calendar so that's something funky there.
10:09:10 Yeah, so I'll be missing that too. Yeah, hey, let me make a note to edit that calendar invite, please, to an hour.
10:09:19 That's currently only for 30Â min for all the as you sync here.
10:09:25 So is anyone? I, I can do it. Even if I have to leave county coordination a little bit early, unless you think we should cancel, is that what you're saying, even if I have to
leave county coordination a little bit early, unless you think we should cancel.
10:09:41 Is that what you're saying, KAY? No, I'm just trying to think of who, would be best to leave that meeting.
10:09:42 Have you won't be at the, no, because I'll be at the straight here and okay meeting in Blynn.
10:09:49 Okay. And I also have this stylish behavioral health ESO meeting. Across the street at the casino.
10:09:56 So I'll be running from one side of Bland to the other for 2 meetings on Friday. From 9 until 2.
10:10:04 Okay. I'm happy. I'll just make, I mean, should we reschedule county coordination?
10:10:10 Special meeting anyways. But I mean, that's all the directors. I mean, that kind of coordination at the special meeting, the quarterly meeting with us, we could always kick
back to the next one.
10:10:21 Cause all the other directors, everyone else goes. What's that? 36 71 from the start.
10:10:32 Be there in any event. I mean, that third Friday is always going to have that conflict, at least with Salish.
10:10:43 Well for the nineteenth, could we move it to the 20 sixth? Oh, I won't be here.
10:10:47 I have a conflict on the as well. And it's all directors. I don't feel good about changing everybody's calendar.
10:10:54 I'm happy to be there and just leave a minute early. So, okay. Just put in keep it pretty easy to get over to the radio station.
10:11:04 And I'm sharing that. Let me just update that. Okay.
10:11:19 Okay.
10:11:25 Great. Is that all for you? That's the only conflict in the next couple of weeks that I had.
10:11:33 Okay. For me, right? No, because I have a, I have a, county coordinated response meeting.
10:11:42 6.
10:11:45 And do you want that wealth this week? Friday and then. 26 Kate can take. Bye.
10:12:04 So I am on for the 20 sixth. Kate, you're on for the 26 K.
10:12:11 We'll do it that way. And it goes high to get great. Yeah. Okay, so.
10:12:14 The twelfth is Kate, nineteenth grade, 26 K. Third is hiding. Alright, saved on p drive as always.
10:12:24 My pee drive. Okay. Thanks you guys.
10:12:30 Alright, looking ahead for my week.
10:12:35 Okay.
10:12:40 Yeah. Alright. Tomorrow morning we have the, meeting on our, Oh, I know that's a sad one.
10:12:52 Yeah, yeah. And have a board of health agenda setting meeting. Some agenda setting. Of a leadership council for the Pudgeson Partnership Executive Committee meeting tomorrow
afternoon.
10:13:09 Okay. Early childhood coalition monthly meeting. Climate action committee meeting on my way to the airport. It looks like I can maybe build the joints management sharing committee
via zoom when at the airport getting ready to That's for Kansas for a state board of health meeting.
10:13:32 All day Wednesday. And, Wednesday evening. Thursday. Let's see.
10:13:43 Okay. A municipal research service center, board nominating committee meeting. Give it a gender review with Mark and Carolyn.
10:13:52 And then have a, this meeting that evening. Currently Friday, I only have the radio show.
10:14:00 And with. Serge and Shadowski joining me. Day in the length of a deputy. Oh, nice.
10:14:06 Yeah. Just looking ahead, I do have, I have 4 trips in the next month.
10:14:13 Yeah, so, the next week I go to, semi for 2 nights for the Sea Grant Advisory Board.
10:14:22 And then I guess the next one isn't until, May when I go to DC and then association of counties back to back.
10:14:29 So I will be. Out of the office a lot in the next month.
10:14:33 As you like it. Exhausted. I know we landed last night at like 10 at I can't believe I've been back here in less than 48Â h.
10:14:47 Who planned this? Mark? Oh, I just wanted to say everyone should be at the tax lose breakfast because that's my birthday.
10:14:57 Although it's only county employees where I know, so not everybody. All county employees. Exactly. Okay.
10:15:11 Which day is that? I'll start off. 17. Yeah, I don't know.
10:15:25 Anyway today, all day with the board, then tomorrow. 18 meeting. And then.
10:15:35 Speaking of my wife, she's having a medical procedure on Wednesday, so I'm taking the whole day.
10:15:41 Support her.
10:15:44 Then on Thursday we have the CEO breakfast with Cindy Brooks. I'd look forward to those.
10:15:54 Stacey Prayer, Judy Shepherd, discuss the budgeting software, we've got a couple of demos and we're going to compare and contrast.
10:16:03 Start putting together an RIP for that. Will request permission from the board obviously before we do that because it will have budget implications.
10:16:15 I agree to before. Moving forward on that. And then the forestry meeting with. Now, that should have happened last week.
10:16:27 Issue and, and then we take in Thursday and Friday off and so it'll occur. Thursday at one o'clock.
10:16:36 And then I think we're having a LTAC meeting on the eleventh, 3 30 to 5.
10:16:43 And then in Friday, regular meeting was, an, And then I'm having lunch with, Phil Seir and Brian Tracer.
10:16:56 I talked about the fire marshal program. Yeah. So, you know, on fire. I don't know.
10:17:07 If you can at a tiny restaurant. Yeah. Have a good week. Thanks.
10:17:15 Okay. We don't have anything until 1030. Should we take a little recess and let's, Amanda and perhaps Robin get set up.
10:17:22 And. I'm back at 1030. Sounds good. And anyone else to get there?
10:17:29 Eclipse viewer started. It's, starting to, 28 to start.
10:17:36 1220. That it's very worthwhile to watch. You know, to see what's happening.
10:29:49 Thank you, Charlotte. No more. Alright, Andy, you see, you should call us back into session.
10:29:58 And we have a hearing on the community development platform, CBBG, Contract pulls out.
10:30:11 I'm not sure if I'm, and,'s administrator and Robin. I always want to add.
10:30:19 Hang born, Hangborne. Nice to see you, Lama. I'll hand it up.
10:30:26 Mark, did you want to do any introductions? Asked Amanda to introduce the topic. Welcome. Thank you.
10:30:32 Thank you, Connie. I'm so glad to be here today. I know like this is really great success story for Old Cap and for the entire county showing there.
10:30:43 Commitment to housing for all people here in our county. So this was spending that came from Department of Commerce via head, that was introduced.
10:30:56 In 2020 and every Jewish effort at 500. Originally, so. Okay. Okay, and then the only capital that identified as a sub recipient, but I guess originally the money was used to
provide.
10:31:18 Support funding to people they can remain in their homes pay for their utilities and mortgage, but it wasn't really highly realized in the first year.
10:31:30 So we spend just
10:31:35 11,000 and that first year. 19%. And then in early 2021.
10:31:49 It was identified that you know, there were some.
10:31:57 People. Who were on house and needing to be in a safe space. They had occupied, and, you know, found.
10:32:08 A space at the fairgrounds, But it wasn't ideal. And the county started a very Okay.
10:32:25 And. And new location was found in Castro Brown Village. These funds paid for some of the early engineering and clearing of the site.
10:32:37 And then over the course of 2022 and 2023. Almost nearly a hundred $96,000% managing the size.
10:32:47 And make sure it was safe. And clean and cared for in terms of. Waste and the hygiene facilities that had been provided there.
10:33:00 And they were, you know, fortunate to have a lot of people who are, you know, a lot about what happened there.
10:33:10 And so I'll pass it on to your dog and tell us more about managing day to day and the transition.
10:33:14 You did, I think, really amazing job of keeping people.
10:33:19 Safe and and respected and. And yeah, all right, how's it going? Okay, well, thank you, for allowing me to be here today.
10:33:31 Kind of special day for me today. Having, moved to the new program. But seeing this from the startup where it was just a landing pad.
10:33:44 Literally that's what they call the phase one of those landing path. Fairly undeveloped.
10:33:50 Yeah, obviously I'll need to stop you there. Just some spaces made available for tents and RVs.
10:33:58 And So, hook up, wasn't, wasn't even part of it.
10:34:08 You have fireboxes. So of their minimum. And we quickly learned that in order to keep this space safe.
10:34:17 We needed to have some. Standard operating procedures that were consistent. And that would help us to.
10:34:28 Track whether or not what we're doing was successful. And that's when we brought in monitoring.
10:34:31 And some of the logistics that we laid out like having a pedestrian area and had cars parked separate from RVs and Kent and that sort of thing.
10:34:43 And it worked. And, so I built a team, monitors. And then once we not establish a little bit.
10:34:54 Then we started to build a community. So first we built the team and then we built a community and we started asking the participation of the residents to represent themselves
and let them know there was hope that we were, you know, committed.
10:35:11 To, enhancing, enriching, improving their situation. And it was a slow process.
10:35:20 And it was a lot involved and a lot of people involved. This This could not have been done without the county without.
10:35:28 Without Amanda, without anybody's support. And there was a lot of growing pains but i think there was a lot of fruit. We had people that were very sick and they were able to
stay in their own place.
10:35:47 They called it home to them until, that they left us. In past and in the new, Castle Brown village phase 2, we had so pretty much everything that could happen.
10:36:02 That's a capital town village Hmm. So thank you. I should say that this is a hearing.
10:36:11 This is a requirement for the CDBG funding and we will have an opportunity for public testimony. Go ahead. Yeah.
10:36:20 And I, still opening here.
10:36:25 I would like to give them still the leadership team. I can need to build an opportunity to speak to her experience at Castle Bran village, dependent.
10:36:35 She didn't tell me I was gonna. Okay. Thank you. My name is Debbie Steele and I'm a proud member of the community build leadership team.
10:36:51 And. My first exposure to all of this was the day that we started cleaning up the fairground.
10:37:01 Her first day of work. I remember that. I remember that being your first day, Rob. My husband was making a video.
10:37:10 And I went to help. That was pretty amazing. And, enlightening and heartbreaking.
10:37:22 Enjoyful, you know, all at the same time. And shortly after that, after after everybody moved to.
10:37:32 Phase one. We worked with Caswall Brown on the idea of building. Tiny shelters and we ended up moving to the new life church.
10:37:44 I have to give them lots of 21 tiny shelters on their problem. So it was amazing. And we had sometimes as many as 20.
10:37:54 2 volunteers. When we have groups like AEW, group came out and everybody built together.
10:38:05 And we built the 21 shelters, 10 at the time. And, Art Frank and Dave Merrill transported them over to, and then, and then I think Terry might have helped.
10:38:19 Passport some of them Jacob. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, he was a truck driver. Right.
10:38:29 So we've been involved from the beginning. Then I got involved in invited A in W's, the, the call ground records group, then they came and they planted flowers and we built,
a water station because what we realized is there was no place for people to.
10:38:46 Wash them dishes or you know. Simple, sanitary things. I have to say, one of the things we never deal with really wanted to do was build a back house like we have a past place.
10:39:02 And we were never able to get the funding. Only cap wasn't able to do that. We really feel like we, that's 1 area that we feel, that we were able to do that.
10:39:15 But, it has been such an amazing experience for me personally to be involved with the team of people that all have the same part, the same compassion, the same desire to make
black better for people that the best starting line.
10:39:31 And. So we now have. Just a little plug for community build. We are now building.
10:39:41 Tidy houses on wheels. We're going to the workforce housing model. And we just placed our first one in port hatlock and it's a young couple from the co-OP that bought it for
$33,000.
10:39:55 And it's just the price of the material, all the labor is free. And so, we're kind of moving in in the direction, but I have to say I missed the cat.
10:40:08 Well, I still love seeing the people. I'm also doing a little volunteer, so I get to see some of the people that way.
10:40:16 Anyway, we're all very proud to be a part of it. So I get to see some of the people that way. Anyway, we're all very proud to be a part of it.
10:40:19 And thank be a part of what the county did to make life better for our unhappy. Thanks for your leadership, Debbie.
10:40:28 We really appreciate it. And your enthusiasm. Takes a village. And, and Lednar Glister.
10:40:44 Alright, yes, except for, yeah, tell me if you would like to contribute anything to the conversation today, please accept privilege to the panelists and get Thank you.
10:40:57 Have you join us here? In the zoom room. I was just gonna ask, I mean, does our, do all the heavy lifting in the county?
10:41:07 When I raise, when I raise my hand to move the apple trees from behind the sheriff's office a couple of years ago with my friend Steve.
10:41:14 We were like, who's that a big truck and art raised his hand and he helped us move that orchard down Beaver Valley.
10:41:22 So he's helping me put in the public art down in at the kiosks and all your heavy lifting.
10:41:29 Yeah, and always positive. Willing to help. We have someone. What is his role?
10:41:51 The detective, right? . The Yeah. Well, I'd like to invite Commissioner to share his experience and any, reflection on the Castle Brown village creation.
10:42:07 It's great to see, you know, the band back together again, you know, community build has done so much for, for our community and Robin is the shelter manager.
10:42:16 I mean, I remember when she was when the fairgrounds encampment was going on and we had.
10:42:21 Weekly meetings and some of the real resident. Messages that we had from some of the folks that were camping there was that, you know, we don't need a building, we just need
some agency, we need a place, we need showers, any place we can take dogs, we need a place we can, you know, close up and have possession still and you know so our parameters change
as we were looking for
10:42:47 places. I mean, I talked about the long search that we went through to try to find an appropriate location, you know, insufficient as it was and it keeps getting better and
it keeps getting better.
10:42:56 But it was it was a real lift and I'm really proud of the work that we did, you know, making 50 more spaces for our unhoused in Jefferson County, I think is is a transformational
and not enough, you know, at the same time.
10:43:11 So it's been, it's been a real privilege to be able to meet some new friends who are residents down there and.
10:43:18 And it's just been, you know, it felt like a real success story and it was precipitated by, a real success story and it was precipitated by, you know, the CDBG funds and, we
could not have done it without the additional.
10:43:34 You know, capacity that this and other, you know, I mean, we purchase the property as well with other with ARPA funds.
10:43:37 So it was, sometimes, you know, never let a crisis go to waste. And I, this was a crisis that we did use to improve our capacity.
10:43:46 It's, yeah, onward, but it's been, it's been a real positive experience and I know that it's improved many people's lives.
10:43:55 And continues to, you know, be a landing space. Now we just need to have someone. To transition folks to from Caswell Brown.
10:44:02 I mean that's still that when I look at it that's what I see as the real the next step is you know building more of our capacity for transitional housing and workforce housing.
10:44:14 I'm glad to see community builds starting to address some of those other rungs of the housing continuum, which are so constrained in Jefferson County especially, but everywhere
and we just need to keep keep working on the next step because cause people need to People feel like Kosovo Brown is at home, but it's you know it really is supposed to be a launching
pad to a home and so we need to
10:44:35 contemplate that promise. And as Mr. Ferries brought to us this morning, we still have folks who are living in unsupported encampments and you know, appropriate places for them
to be too.
10:44:56 Getting word out. Sometimes. But Commissioner Dean, if you have any update on the future potential, and it's based to development.
10:45:08 Phase 3. Yeah, open up the hearing as well. Yes, so I will go ahead and, invite anyone from the public who would like to provide a testimony to our hearing today.
10:45:31 We welcome testimony specifically on the topic. We are discussing here today, we'll have up to 3Â min to provide testimony.
10:45:41 It is required that you give your name in place of residence if you wish to specify. So would anyone in the room?
10:45:47 Or in the zoom room, like to provide testimony today. If so, please hit raise hands.
10:45:56 Let me provide testimony.
10:46:03 I don't know.
10:46:07 Alright, see now hands, a little close of the testimony. And yes, it'd be happy to, just report out that, was at Keswow Brown last week, just, Senator Harry Staffer, a regional
staffer to see the progress there and discuss the next phase which is building the new emergency shelter on that site.
10:46:30 And It was great to see see it through Daniel's eyes. I'm not sure if he'd been there before, I believe he hadn't.
10:46:38 And he would just so impressed. See the work that has been done there and to hear from residents a number of folks came out and talked about how valuable.
10:46:49 That location has been for their sense of security and stability in order to you know, be able to work and raised their children and yeah, it's really easy to take for granted.
10:47:05 Oh, what have IA safe and secure home feels like so. we have applied to all 3 of our federal delegation for funding to.
10:47:14 Fill the gap just about a 2.5 million dollar gap to build the emergency shelter and fingers crossed they will say I'm Daniel just reached out to me today and he wants to speak
this afternoon so No priority, in the federal appropriation or in process to get that funding gap built.
10:47:38 So, city was on board with that. It's the number one priority as well. So, be hoping for good news, but we certainly know that Congress does not move quickly.
10:47:48 Although earmarks are, sometimes well, only if Congress passes a budget. So right now there is that.
10:47:57 Yeah. Okay. 23 earmarks were just approved when they passed the budget a couple weeks ago.
10:48:06 Remind me what the total budget for this. Shelter. 8 million? Yeah.
10:48:11 And, so got 5 and a half 9 from, the state and now, Yeah.
10:48:19 Alright, anything else? To spend out there was a lot of ERAP and other rental like eviction prevention funds that were used very robustly but I know that you know prevention
is always cheaper than the cure so that is a gap that is going to develop as ERAP and some of these other programs wind down we're gonna have some real issues trying to maintain people
in the house that they have knowing that
10:48:50 once you slip out of that housed, experience, it's a lot harder to get back there.
10:48:56 But this has been a great. A great pilot project, I would say.
10:49:04 Anything else from anyone? Thank you very much for your time. We have a little time, but it's.
10:49:14 Debbie's husband, Dennis made a great video. If you look online, there's a couple of great videos about, the development of the Coswell Brown Village, but they're well with
the time.
10:49:26 Yeah, we're on. Well, it's funny actually when I I needed a website to use on the federal appropriation requests and Bye far the best website about Kazel Brown was, Okay, thank
you.
10:49:46 Oh, do we, there's something for you to sign up for the close out. It's having you sign up.
10:49:55 Yeah, I close out contracted work.
10:49:57 And administrative official standards. Okay. Which is what's called for. Okay, great.
10:50:07 So no action taken? Holding and securing, I believe was the only option required. It's always good to come back to things and Close the loop.
10:50:19 Yeah, it's a great opportunity. I think that things had programs. So and here feedback if they if the public thinks that the fence should have been differently or it could have
been more effective.
10:50:31 Thank you so much for your time. In 10Â min we have another hearing, rules for the adoption of orments.
10:50:48 But we have 10Â min. So then, Do do we want to talk about the process for the emergency shelter downtown.
10:51:05 Conversation because I think there's some fundamental questions that a, you know, Mark needs to weigh in on as well as us about.
10:51:12 Thank you, Mr. Perry. Capacity and are, you know, do we, do we want, I mean, we've got that 27,000 in the housing fund board.
10:51:23 Budgeting money in the housing fund board for emergency shelter. And this is an appropriate time to, you know.
10:51:31 Bring that in. That needs to be extended by June thirtieth. For the next fiscal year. Right.
10:51:42 So, I mean, That could be, you know, hiring a staff member that's gonna coordinate.
10:51:48 I mean, we like, I think there's a lot of interest in creating the kind of coalition that could.
10:51:53 Keep the shelter going. I think there would be a lot of quick quick learning curve but an important one for us you know you we've heard some complaints about the shelter and
we always known that it's been suboptimal I mean a basement with no windows and the steepness of that ramp I wouldn't want to even take your niece scooter down the ramp that they have
to navigate in wheelchair some of
10:52:17 them but yeah, I mean, do we. I guess does the county want to, you know.
10:52:24 Partner with the city and faith based organizations to run the shelter for a year. 18 months. I mean that's that's the question.
10:52:33 How would we do that? Well, money. I think it would, I think we would have to hire somebody that would be, you know, kind of like Robin's current job with RSVP, coordinating
volunteers, finding out what is going to cost, you know, if we're running at like a you know, 16Â h shelter like they're doing now then you're talking is that 2 monitor
10:52:59 shifts plus volunteers. So you gotta build a plan and a budget first and then. And go through you know and so keep in mind too there's some new funding source coming from the
state to back the recording fees so we will have another funding source.
10:53:15 It's not certain how much that will be but specifically for. Very low income. Is that in the new fiscal year coming up?
10:53:26 Yeah. And they have completed the. Rule writing around it, but, Are there models that you guys know of of other counties that, you know, does this happen through public health
or I mean many counties have a human services department that our public health takes a lot of that.
10:53:46 Only cap has been kind of doing some of our human services though. So I mean public health I think would be a natural place for a staff member to exist.
10:53:55 I can't imagine us being able to come up with more than. One staff member that would, you know, do the occasional shift and be the manager of, volunteers and monitors.
10:54:04 So then the ILA with the city, commitment to funding and, you know, kind of working out a budget, but we still don't know the timeframe and also do we.
10:54:17 Are we gonna keep it a year round shelter, which has been a real explicit desire and we know the, you know, the.
10:54:23 Political reasons for doing that and I would say that the humane reasons are just as important to continue to offer a place for folks to who have no other place to go.
10:54:38 Once we have the permanent shelter, That's the plan. I mean, they've got a lease for that property.
10:54:45 So it is like likely we won't need the same capacity but you know is there a job that we can build that you know starts as this and then builds in a human services capacity
it's not the same as this and then builds in a human services capacity it's not the same as farm reduction. It's not the same as farm reduction.
10:55:02 I mean, I don't know. I mean, it would be. It would bring. I don't know who the appropriate employee would be.
10:55:07 I think the first question is. Is that how we want to approach this? I mean, I didn't get any.
10:55:13 I haven't had a long conversation with the leadership at the American Legion but I got the impression that the county was the most palatable option as the negotiator of the
lease.
10:55:27 I don't think they would It wouldn't get cheaper for sure, but I'm not sure if it would go up necessarily.
10:55:31 I didn't get that indication that they're. Well, just did go up. So, right now, it's 2,000 a month now plus utilities.
10:55:41 And I think, so if you imagine a similar sort of thing, you could budget it pretty quickly. And we just, we can just take the 30,000 a month that it takes to run it currently
as a.
10:55:50 Baseline and start refining that with whether where we can find efficiencies or where we would lose efficiencies with the county's operation.
10:56:03 Well, I think there's a question of the, you know, stack person, but then also kind of we need a, I think a larger group, the coalition.
10:56:14 Kind of you know mobilizing a lot of knowledge here, that in order to pull this off knowing that we're not going to be able to fund it completely.
10:56:24 Yeah.
10:56:32 I mean, I've got a meeting scheduled not this week, but the following week with many of those folks, Jack and and we can invite Coast to it and some of the folks that have said,
hey, let's keep this going.
10:56:42 And so we can. Within a couple of weeks, I can establish kind of organizations that would want to come under that umbrella, but you know, at that same time.
10:56:52 In parallel, I would imagine we kind of put it to staff to start coming up with an idea of how could we build the capacity to be able to manage a purchase program?
10:57:03 Okay. I could see. I like, generally like the outline you're talking about.
10:57:10 I feel this is a pretty I mean really quickly risky proposition and a list that I'm willing to take and I think the benefits that way the risk.
10:57:24 But I, in many ways, I would like to think about keeping that position within our per view.
10:57:33 And not have it under department where a lot of other influences come and we're gonna have to be nimble.
10:57:39 We're gonna be. Dealing with a number of political forces, you know, even just thinking about, how we approach this with the city.
10:57:49 Because really important and, so I would like to, consider that person being working with directly with us and Mark.
10:57:59 And Judy, you know, I mean, a housing's are could start as a shelters are and build do a houses are because I do, I mean, we don't have any dedicated to that.
10:58:08 So it's a way I'm just trying, I hate that. You're not going to get the best applicant for someone for 2 years.
10:58:14 You know, trying to create a permanent position seems. Worthy and I think having an under our department would be.
10:58:21 Advantageous in a lot of ways is for the reasons you lay out. I mean. Yeah, I don't think we can commit to anything.
10:58:28 Beyond, you know, a fairly limited scope. I do think I'm just watching the tanks.
10:58:35 We need to be out of time for this other hearing. I do think we probably want to discuss with the housing fun board and only kept the idea of pulling $27,000 out of their current
contract for Operations of the shelter and using the state funds that we have only until June thirtieth.
10:59:00 That out. Do you catch that, Caroline? Thank you. It would be interesting to look at the other.
10:59:06 I know that they're over the course of COVID there were counties that were creating housing offices and it would be Interesting to check in with a few of those and see how it's
going and what they're learning from.
10:59:15 You know, the first few years of having such a program. I think was it Grace Harbor and There were they were local they were local to us counties who were Kind of moving that
direction.
10:59:30 It's been a lot. Yeah. Okay. So.
10:59:38 We can revisit this. If we try to learn more, I'll definitely take away the question to ask only cap about the 27 K if we can you know trade like for like to be able to use
utilize that before the into the fiscal year.
10:59:52 Yeah. That'd be great. I don't know that we need to. Change their contract is still coming from the same fund, but we need to be sure that our reporting to the state for the
27 K is under the work of Oh, right.
11:00:08 I'm sorry we are moving into a public hearing on adoption of an ordinance adopting rules for the adoption of ordinances resolutions and motions in Jefferson County.
11:00:16 Who's Mr. Hsucker? Thank you for joining us.
11:00:20 Let's see, is anyone else joining us from your office phone?
11:00:25 No.
11:00:27 Good.
11:00:29 Could, could be Barbara. I don't know. She's or.
11:00:31 Looks like.
11:00:35 But I'm the talking head today.
11:00:37 Okay, great. Well, we will, have Melissa Flander, she's asked to, Let me see something.
11:00:48 Melissa, if you could accept the promotion of, please. And while she's doing that, I will hand it off to you so.
11:00:56 Well, actually, I'm sorry, let me say we, I will open this public hearing, and the word that's adapting roles for the adoption of ordnances resolutions and motions.
11:01:08 We will be taking public testimony on this item. And Get it up to you now, Phil.
11:01:15 Yes.
11:01:13 Okay, can everyone see my screen? Okay, very good. So, This is an ordinance designed to make things more transparent and.
11:01:26 And provide a clear path for adopting ordinances and resolutions. You may remember we had a workshop on this where we talked about it.
11:01:38 The board provided some comments on it we sent it out to the Elects and directors. And it was also discussed at the board of health meeting.
11:01:50 And, and so, There been a number of comments on the graph that we talked about at the workshop and and changes have been made to address those comments.
11:02:03 The footnotes in the document that were that were posted. for the hearing today, I'll tell you about the changes.
11:02:15 And so I hope that was. Fairly clear. And, so Just talk a little bit about the ordinance.
11:02:23 As I said, you know, the purposes. Is really to establish uniform process and to increase transparency.
11:02:31 The section 3 is important because It talks about who can enforce the ordinance. And that's only the Board of County Commissioners, the Board of Health.
11:02:40 And the. County Administrator. Section 4 is just designed to make it clear that this is just a procedural ordinance.
11:02:49 It's not. Designed to create a new substance substantive changes to anything and by a large it adopts the what we've been doing in the past.
11:03:01 Section 5 talks about the types of legislative actions. Ordinance resolution, motion and order. Sort of an order of formality or the ordinance being kind of the most formal
of the possible legislative actions.
11:03:21 Section 6 talks about workshops. And discussion, discussion of proposed drafts. At a workshop.
11:03:32 But just wanted to point out the last sentence there, which which says you shouldn't adopt them at a at a workshop unless there's been a hearing that's just largely or a hearing
notice.
11:03:47 And then, section 7 has rules for adoption of the ordinance. Ordnances one subject only.
11:03:55 We had a question about what that means. It can be a whole change to a code or whatever as long as it's 1 section you'll be able to tell that by how the ordnance is named.
11:04:11 If there's a public hearing. Requirement then you have to also send out a hearing notice.
11:04:17 And, if you look at the, The language that's highlighted in blue there, it's talks about when a public hearing must be held.
11:04:28 One of the comments from the board, I think it was Kate said, is there a list somewhere? And so this incorporates the list that's already in the MRC.
11:04:41 Document on local ordinances. It's probably the best list there is. But just note that the people who are.
11:04:50 Trying to adopt an ordinance or resolution really ought to be familiar with. What that ordinance or resolution requires in terms of a hearing notice.
11:05:00 The list that MRSC has is pretty comprehensive, but I'm not guaranteeing that it covers everything.
11:05:08 And then, yes, go ahead.
11:05:08 In that highlighted blue section, the municipal research and S. It looks like the full name of the MRC has been truncated.
11:05:20 Oh, sorry about that. We can fix that.
11:05:33 That's the catch
11:05:37 And then. The kind of the aqua sentence is.
11:05:42 To deal with the relationship with the planning commission. And when, just to make sure that We're not saying that ideas can't be trotted out in ordinance or resolution form
with the planning commission.
11:05:57 Just making sure that you know before they have a hearing on an ordinance that all the all the requirements are met.
11:06:06 And then, see is a section on codification just saying. That if it's but it's an ordinance of general and permanent nature it really ought to be codified and made part of the
code.
11:06:20 And then there's, D is a section on formatting. I did catch the typo here, this weekend when I looked at this, so that'll get fixed as well.
11:06:32 You know, when we when we're ready to finalize this. And then the numbering system is the numbering system we have already.
11:06:44 And then, you know, what, how to name the ordinance if we're. Deleting language or sections or whatever, how to how to address that.
11:06:55 If it's repeal or replaced, that should be stated in the title. And then what are the enactment clauses that you should have for an ordinance and a resolution that's
11:07:07 From a numeral little little 6 and 7. Definitions ought to be in alphabetical order. You should use only gender neutral terms.
11:07:19 This is a requirement for Oh, 10 is a requirement. If you're An ordinance is going to punish by a fine or imprisonment.
11:07:30 It has to be stated specifically in the ordinance. We've never had a problem with that, but it's a good thing to have this year.
11:07:37 And then, These are the things and. And 11 that or just sort of standard for ordinances that we ought to have in every ordinance.
11:07:50 You know, the whereas clauses, detailed requirements.
11:07:58 You know, where it should be if it's going to be in the Jefferson County code. What is the SIPA compliance that has to be met for that?
11:08:08 For a lot of them, it's there's there's exceptions that apply. I'm almost I would say the vast majority of ordinances we deal with exceptions to SEPA apply.
11:08:20 And then, when is it supposed to become? Effective. counties can have ordnances and resolutions effective.
11:08:30 Immediately upon passage. Cities have little different rules. Than that.
11:08:35 Okay.
11:08:37 And then. The public notice requirements are in E and you know how that should go.
11:08:46 And you know, sort of the deadline for making that happen. What should be in the hearing notice? Is in subsection I.
11:08:56 And then,
11:09:00 Approval by the prosecuting attorney and and submission to the county administrator. Those are just procedural rules.
11:09:09 To make sure that we're not getting in a situation where It's gone through a bunch of process and then you have the county administrator or the prosecuting intern saying, oh
wait, a bunch of that stuff is illegal.
11:09:24 And yes, that has happened. Before. But rarely. And then a section on hearing.
11:09:33 The hearing requirements and following OPMA. Where to codify this ordinance I'm suggesting chapter 2.5 5 which is the administrative.
11:09:47 Title 2 is our administrative part of the code and then. Sipa compliance for this ordinance.
11:09:53 Okay.
11:09:54 It is exempt under the whack and there's, and there's the whack exemption also.
11:10:01 Suggesting that it be effective as of the day it's passed. So that's an, that's a quick run through of the ordinance.
11:10:09 Happy to answer any questions you may have.
11:10:13 Hmm. I noticed that a former attorney for the county provided some comments that seemed Practical.
11:10:22 Did we take those into consideration?
11:10:24 There weren't any comments posted as of Friday. So I have't seen those.
11:10:30 Oh, okay. It, it was David Alber as he just. You know, in this joking way, some comments, but some of them seemed relevant.
11:10:39 I don't.
11:10:40 I guess you'll look at those after. Well, this is the time. Yeah, yeah. So were those not that into the record as testimony?
11:10:52 It was just 3 29.
11:10:52 I don't, I can only tell you I haven't seen them.
11:10:56 Okay.
11:10:57 So, if you, if you would like, you know, what we can do is we can continue this.
11:11:03 Deliberations till next week i can take a look at them and happy to respond to them
11:11:07 Okay. I just forwarded them to you to fill as well so you can see them. That seems like the easiest way for me to share them with you.
11:11:18 Okay.
11:11:20 Or we could squeeze it in this.
11:11:22 Yeah, I can look at them and look at them this afternoon. Okay.
11:11:27 I just wanted you, I wanted your eyes on just so. We should make a part of the hearing record anyway, so can you forward into Carolyn as well?
11:11:35 Okay. Okay. Okay. For this.
11:11:47 To Carolyn and Mark. There they are. Bill, Carolyn and Mark, just forwarded.
11:11:50 The ordnance shall be so this whole ordinance would go would be the entirety of chapter 2.5 5.
11:11:56 Yes, that's correct.
11:11:57 I just wanna make sure I understood.
11:12:00 Yeah, questions, Craig? No other questions? I have one question. So this came up, in Board of Health.
11:12:10 I'm not sure you were there. And if you were listening or not, but.
11:12:15 Dr. Barry was very interested in maintaining the ability to do, what I think we ended up deciding could be a proclamation.
11:12:25 Which does not require hearing is my understanding. Is that correct?
11:12:35 Okay.
11:12:32 So we, so, My understanding is that the Board of Health uses resolutions to basically pass proclamations.
11:12:43 And the comment was that I'm trying to find it here where the change was made. The comment was that The ordinance was too broad requiring legal review and review by the county
administrator for.
11:13:00 Every ordinate or every resolution that the that the Board of Pell passes. And so the, in light of those comments, we just said that where a resolution requires a public hearing.
11:13:14 That it has to be reviewed by the county administrator and the prosecuting attorney's office. So that was to address the concern that the Board of Health had and I did get a
comment back from.
11:13:27 Dr. Barry that that was, that was what they were looking for and she was pleased to see that change.
11:13:33 Okay, great. Thank you.
11:13:38 Great. Any other questions? No. Okay, so I'm thinking I should go ahead and open testimony although I think a lot of people are probably watching Yeah, right now.
11:13:51 Can you even see solar flares on the surface? It's cool. but, we should go ahead and open it since that was the plan, but then maybe leave it open.
11:14:04 And, give you an opportunity to review Mr. Alvarez's comments, Phil.
11:14:10 And. Okay, so you can close the hearing and then 2 deliberations. Well, but if we were to make, changes based on the Stabber's comments, like the ability to open it up again.
11:14:23 Alright, so I will go ahead and open up the testament or excuse me, open up to hearing.
11:14:28 Okay, no testimony. Let's just say, so if there's anyone in the zoom room who would like to provide testimony on this topic only.
11:14:36 Please hit raise hands. You'll have up to 3Â min. Given that this is hearing testimony, it will be required to state your name and your place of residence.
11:14:46 Did anyone like to put our testimony? Ordnance on ordinances.
11:14:55 Not Make another call.
11:15:05 Let's. So I'm going to keep testimony open given that we might, consider some changes to this draft.
11:15:15 And when would we like to revisit this?
11:15:19 Do you turn between now and this afternoon to, take a look at the brief comments received?
11:15:26 Yeah, they weren't they weren't complex. Yeah, but Just thought they might be. Perfect.
11:15:38 Yeah, I guess my preference would be to come back and do this on next Monday so we can give it the the review it's due.
11:15:49 As for instance, David has a couple of comments. Really have to be thought about. And and how they, you know, how they would fit in.
11:15:59 And so my suggestion would be. If. If everybody is okay with where we are right now.
11:16:08 I could take a look at these changes and. Put up a new, version. Clean that version that just has these new Okay, changes related to the comments, the public comments that are
made.
11:16:22 And do that next Monday. I don't think it would take a lot of time.
11:16:26 There's a spot open at 1 30.
11:16:29 Yeah, 1 30 probably is a That's probably my favorite time. So yeah.
11:16:34 We know that. We want to be your favorite time, well. Alright, okay, so, we will leave this hearing open and, thank you very much, Phil.
11:16:48 And to be continued next week. Okay. Okay.
11:16:53 Alright.
11:16:56 Hmm.
11:17:00 I don't think we have anything else on the agenda for. This morning, Bill, we'll see you again at 1 30 today for executive session.
11:17:10 Anything else we want to get to? This morning. I mean, do you wanna, we could talk a little bit more about, like next steps for considering of the accounting leading a coalition
to manage the pool.
11:17:27 And just kind of get questions and I'm happy to take questions. Sorry. I'm at the shelter.
11:17:39 It's American lead and shelter specific. So, yes. Like, happy to go to the prosecutor's office and, you know, kind of reevaluate the contract that, The American region has a
holy cap right now, which wouldn't assume would be the base draft.
11:17:58 You know, I mean, and get perspective from. Our legal counsel. And then I can talk with Mark about where.
11:18:06 Where that person might live and how we're going to pay for that person and what other, you know, those costs.
11:18:13 I mean. Can't use our surplus, $1590. That's gotta be used for construction of for construction new.
11:18:20 We know we have 54,000 to get started and then. 27 this year, fiscal year and 27 for the next fiscal year Yeah, July first.
11:18:39 Yeah. True. We gotta use 27 by the end of June.
11:18:46 That's why we're talking about seeing and forget that. Rebalance some of the grants, pull, spend down, pull some of the other back.
11:18:59 Okay, and, and then they'll be eligible to apply for the other. The next round of recording fee, Jack fill in the state.
11:19:09 Yes. Yeah. Zoom of Lake. Was it 25 million?
11:19:15 I funded for the state and all counties will be applying for it likely. So, you know, I think we can expect a enormous amount.
11:19:23 Maybe enough to get that. SAPPERS. And for the remainder of the 18 months or so, you would anticipate needing it.
11:19:31 So is it so that that was one question they had the timeframe so the anticipated completion of the permanent shelter at Castle Brown.
11:19:41 The earliest. The earliest that we can reasonably expect is, yeah. But that's a big.
11:19:54 You know, maybe. If the rest of that funding comes before the end of this year, basically it's and there's a couple other options other than the congressional directed spending
but But, if, one of those materializes, yes, if not, it'll get more expensive and get pushed.
11:20:10 Right. Yes, and you know, and I think there will be. Some, you know. Considerations there of, you know.
11:20:19 Is there possibility for a line of credit for early cap and you know, and I think we're stepping in so we've kept this experiencing so much transition right now.
11:20:27 So. You know, part of what we're doing is. Helping to back their capacity right now.
11:20:34 Well, it's a good.
11:20:36 Posture to be in with the lack of clarity about the duration that we need. We list, temporary shelter to be functioning.
11:20:49 To have somebody in a role like a housing bleed for the county. And have this be part part of their drive description, but have the job description be broader so that you know,
that timeframe can, be more malleable.
11:21:11 That go to the shelter and we can say that this staff person at least while they are operating the shelter is paid out of that fund.
11:21:19 You know, agreement with the city and you know, or take it to the housing fund board for their consideration as well.
11:21:25 Yeah. I think one, this is a question of it should the having fun board be involved in any other way in part because you know I have a feeling at least you and I both Greg are
going to want to be involved in this.
11:21:41 I know that complicates things, but the HASSING FUMBER is a place where we already set, but.
11:21:47 Yeah, should I think about how we kind of, that. I mean, in the housing fund, supported by the clerk's office.
11:21:55 So, I mean, you know, it's easy to make.
11:21:58 To do that, I mean, yeah, do, you know, more. Agenda setting and everything, kind of bring back our what our consultants sort of was a little bit so.
11:22:08 Or do we wanna divide it up so that we're more than ball and you know, there's.
11:22:15 You take on a certain role and I take on a certain other role. Close size on this.
11:22:24 Oh, totally. I mean a number of us probably have that desire. Well, I'll, you know, I can just kind of truth some of the ideas that we're.
11:22:33 Talking about this week and next week and I mean we have till the end of June to get through this negotiation.
11:22:41 I mean, do you guys prioritize keeping a year round shelter open as kind of the underlying goal.
11:22:49 I mean, that's just a fundamental thing. It's, you know.
11:22:53 I mean, ideally, yes, I think we have to be realistic about budget. And I could do some research and see if we have any idea yet what the competitive funds are looking like
from the state.
11:23:07 Like I said, I believe the legislation was written that it was competitive and not on a formula basis.
11:23:15 But might be good to just get start getting some idea, you know, does it make sense to have maybe shorter if we have budget constraints to have shorter hours during the summer
months?
11:23:25 Yes, probably, but you know these are the kinds of things we have to start. I'm thinking about.
11:23:31 And then how, they get a job posted.
11:23:36 Right, the scope of that. And yeah. I mean, Feels like a long time ago. Would have been the best time.
11:23:47 Well, I mean, you know, if you can have a month of kind of overlap with the existing shelter.
11:23:50 I mean, like there's not a lot of transformation. The space so it's really kind of enough time to recruit and and
11:24:01 Staff, the, you know, the the monitors locations. I'm committed to one.
11:24:06 One night a month. Right. Yeah, yeah, there's a good system. The Place community. Organizing emails too.
11:24:25 So, I mean, I guess my takeaways are just to. Talk about how big of a coalition we can make to help support this efforts.
11:24:30 And kind of come up with a preliminary. Budgets, couple of different options for. Out of staff, Do you want to think about maybe having, having there be a having that coalition
live as a sub the.
11:24:48 Of. Okay. Ad hoc or task force or something of the housing fund board so that we can use that entity when we need to if you Okay, I'm going to be involved in a discussion about
it, but then it can also function outside of, you know, but if we don't have a quorum of the housing fund board that it, that's more than a lot of sense.
11:25:12 Yeah. Yep, I think that makes a lot of sense. Okay.
11:25:24 Yeah. How about having a special meeting at the housing fund board? Well, I think it will probably be necessary occasionally.
11:25:34 Places for. Because the next meeting is towards the end of the month. So I was wondering. You need something.
11:25:47 I know, yeah, these things are gonna just take a little while to have because of the conversations I'll reach to the Legion and make sure I'm understanding.
11:25:55 I have a very brief communication. So, you know, get a little deeper into what they're interested in, willing to do and Okay.
11:26:05 I'll give some update next week to plan on 2 weeks really to get anything. Okay. And, Yeah.
11:26:16 Strip on the coalition and then, you know, maybe float that idea of this. Calling as a subcommittee.
11:26:19 Have fun board. Marcus, start thinking about how the staff or Get folded into our or chart.
11:26:36 Yeah. Plates office is big. Okay. Hmm.
11:26:46 Alright. Can I ask the calendar question, please? What time is that? Transit board on the sixteenth.
11:26:59 Is that 1 30 or 2 30 this starts. It's on my calendar and both time frames. That 1 30 or 2 30 this starts.
11:27:04 It's on my calendar and both time friends. But I think I might miss that board meeting.
11:27:13 Or, cigarettes, or meeting. I think it's, I'm just wondering if it's a late.
11:27:23 That always had a lot of trouble for some reason. Make those external. I guess we'd like to go.
11:27:30 Okay, I can look at their website. Yeah. Okay, I'll just do that. Okay, sorry.
11:27:42 Sorry, that is off track.
11:27:43 Anything else you want to get to this morning? Yeah, 1 30. Okay. Okay.
11:27:54 It's it's hard to change the, isn't it? Oh, I see. I was just drag it to.
11:28:11 Oh, do we have a little bit of darkness? It's a little, a little debris, isn't it?
11:28:18 Feels like a little different as usual. Cloudy up there. Yeah, it should still be a little less light.
11:28:26 Every call when we first got here, we all ran out that into the building. Yeah, there's little crescent shaped shadows.
11:28:38 Yeah, that was really cool.
11:28:40 Yeah, I got my husband getting bust to some really great place to watch it. Yeah.
11:28:49 Okay.
11:28:52 Anything else? We wanna rest until lunch? Yes, okay. We'll recess until one in 30.
13:29:12 And maybe whatever you are. Okay.
13:29:19 Alright, everybody ready? Okay. I'm gonna call us back into session.
13:29:24 Although we are going right into executive session with the county administrator, chiefs of the deputy prosecuting attorney, the of community development director, civil deputy
prosecuting attorney, and deputy prosecuting attorney regarding potential litigation.
13:29:41 Exemption is outlined in the Open Public Meetings Act, RCW, 42, dot 30, dot 100, and 10, Prencies 1, 30 to 2 15.
13:29:52 Doing Thank you. They don't have to, we're gonna share the link, right?
13:30:01 Yeah.
14:17:47 Okay. You join.
14:17:59 Yeah. Suggest like 15 more minutes. Oh, Yeah. Oh, and, the, the, We will at some point.
14:18:19 It's on my desk. Alright, I can go get it. Start the recording. Okay.
14:18:36 Alright, we are coming back from an executive session and we are going to consider taking action. Nice to pull this up on the screen if possible.
14:18:50 You still have Phil. Okay. Mark, are you so, Didn't tell them to come over.
14:19:07 Is that last day scanned? You're in good company. We're all a little peek in here today.
14:19:21 Sorry about with us folks. Okay. Or Grace Shelon was still, yeah. Yeah, Phil, can you hear me?
14:19:32 Yeah, Yeah.
14:19:49 Okay. Can you hear you? We need that. You too, right?
14:20:04 You can just forward. Okay.
14:20:09 You guys are talking in this meeting. Sorry, everyone bear with us for just a minute. I found the copies.
14:20:19 Thank you. On the screen. I don't know. Yeah.
14:20:32 Hmm. Yeah, I, I can. Oops, no, there's no file attacks.
14:20:44 Okay, I'll try to click on and then.
14:20:51 Recording and progress in progress.
14:21:03 And, so. It's Get on my computer and forward. There he is. Okay.
14:21:19 There. Okay.
14:21:29 Hey, Philip, would you mind sharing the resolution on your screen, please?
14:21:35 Pardon?
14:21:38 Yes, thank you. Alright, so we've come out of executive session and, are going to consider an ordinance.
14:21:52 Which would establish a moratorium on acceptance and processing of applications for what we shorthand call short term rentals.
14:21:59 As many people know the county has been considering changing regulations we held the number of public meetings on the topic of short-term rentals and in anticipation of a number
of potential new applications coming in or vesting a number of short term rentals before we have an opportunity to really thoughtfully create a new framework for regulating them there
is an interest in enacting a moratorium to give us all time to develop
14:22:28 those thoughtful regulations. Anyone would care to anything? Oh, just that, you know, doesn't mean this moratorium would not mean that the work stops planning commissioners
meeting on May first I think and will be considering the output of those 3 community meetings and starting to draft, you know, potential solutions or changes to our code.
14:22:52 So it just is making sure that if we apply a new regulatory framework to short term, we're applying it to all the short term.
14:22:58 Let's see, it makes a lot of sense. Yeah, we believe we have over 500.
14:23:05 Different units in the county that are advertised and, rented out a short term.
14:23:11 And, 70 some of those are permitted. So we know we have a large pool of them that are unpermitted currently and be nice to get our arms around this and consider the impacts
to especially to affordable and workforce housing in our in our county.
14:23:27 And I would just add that we recently did a bunch of community outreach and health community meetings and a number of smaller parts, all our communities in the county and heard
a lot of questions and thoughts about shorter mentals and that input from the community really underscored the need for us to take the time to have clear.
14:23:49 A clear plan and regulations around this opportunity in the community because It was clear how unclear it was to folks coming into those meetings.
14:24:00 Yeah, and that there are impacts to them that we need to be considering. Yeah, I'm happy to make a motion that we approve an ordinance related to development regulations for
short term riddles declaring an emergency and establishing a moratorium on acceptance and processing of applications for hospitality establishment permits for transient residences or
transient guest houses per Jefferson County code, 18 dot 2 0 dot 2 1 0 for
14:24:26 this is 3. I'm happy to second that. Alright, maybe we should scroll through.
14:24:36 Public an opportunity, because we will open this up for public comments. You can also drag and drop it into the chat box.
14:24:47 I think, yeah, catch that, Phil.
14:24:56 Thank you.
14:24:53 You want to, Should we scroll down where the meat of it is?
14:24:59 Sure, yeah, and then Carolyn was saying you could also drop it into the chat box. If the public would like to be able to take a closer look at it.
14:25:08 Okay.
14:25:11 Okay, you just copy paste the text. And attendees access chat. Yes, I made it so that the panelists can drag and drop it for everyone to see it.
14:25:22 They just can't apply. And so we will provide an opportunity for public comment here in a minute, but also, and quick to me if I'm wrong, Philippe, Joshua, we are required to
hold a public hearing on this ordinance as well within 6 months.
14:25:38 60 day.
14:25:39 Yes. So this is certainly the only opportunity to provide.
14:25:46 Alright, would anyone like to provide public comments on this? Ordnance only.
14:25:58 Can I add one more little bit of information? Please do. Just that. Nothing will change really, you know, basically this is Keeping things as they are so if someone has is operating
a short term rental, there's you know big environmental issues or something, you know, no septic, what have you, those are still, high priority.
14:26:18 Complaints and just complaining if someone is operating a Airbnb without a permit is will still be a low, low priority code enforcement really that with no code to point it
to will not be prioritized.
14:26:37 Yeah. That's what I tried to do.
14:26:39 Right, I will. Not another call for public comment. Would anyone like to provide public comment? And the moratorium on short term rental applications that we are considering
today.
14:26:56 Alright, hearing none, I will close public comment before we take a vote. Josh or Philip, is there anything you'd like to add?
14:27:05 I don't have anything. Thank you, Krishna.
14:27:08 Only just to reiterate that we have a planning commissioner getting scheduled by May first in which, Chief Strategy officer, Brent, will report on the results of the 3 community.
14:27:18 IN. Yeah, and essentially they'll start the conversation about the variety of things to consider and whether we want to change our code at all.
14:27:26 And then that package will come before the board for a final decision. Okay, thank you. Looks like we weren't able to get that into the chat, but we will make a copy of this
available.
14:27:42 To the public soon on the county's home web page. I mentioned, with the press release as well.
14:27:48 Alright. So all those in favor, I think, the title in front of me. Sorry, Phil, you've been sharing one more time.
14:27:59 Okay, great. All those in favor of the motion on the table to approve the ordinance as referenced earlier, please indicate by saying hi.
14:28:09 Aye. Thank you. It's a legal team and DCD who did some hard work on this.
14:28:17 This weekend. And, you know, generally some questions. Coming up. There's something broken about it.
14:28:25 We can fix it too. Yeah, yeah, the press release I mentioned. Yeah.
14:28:35 Alright.
14:28:38 Sorry, we were a little bit late, but, just think this is. Easier and less controversial than less topic.
14:28:47 So welcome to Samantha Harper, our waste water project manager, and wants to manage our public work structure.
14:28:54 We've talked about. Hadlock, sewer, plan and structure program. Now with commercial businesses as well.
14:29:02 Yes. So before we jump right into the. The voucher program. We're gonna talk a little bit about the status.
14:29:10 Oh, thank you and good afternoon to everybody. Thank you for having us. And we are looking forward to and I guess the purpose of what we're hoping to get out of it once we get
to the way back.
14:29:26 We just wanna know kind of we're in the right direction with our about your program or if there's more information after you see the materials and ask questions that there's
more information that you would want from us and things of that nature because as you know we are a very fast living train.
14:29:45 And so we want to make what we do want to make sure we're working within the promising things that we cannot deliver there because that's never did anybody.
14:29:54 So, so the SETS update, there's great news. We have started construction of the treatment plant itself.
14:30:01 We're about a month in or so. The hands. And ICI is the contractor interwest construction in.
14:30:10 And ICI is the contractor and we're doing for foundations for buildings and EQ tank and things of that nature.
14:30:18 Is what they've been working on this last month. The collection system, we will have our pre-construction meeting tomorrow actually, is what they've been working on this last
month.
14:30:29 The collection system, we will have our pre-construction meeting. The collection system, we will have our pre-construction meeting tomorrow actually.
14:30:32 And I'm seeing construction was awarded that contract and meeting tomorrow actually and I'm seeing construction was awarded that contract and it will start we're going to start.
14:30:36 And I'm seeing construction was awarded that contract and it will start. And I'm seeing construction was awarded that contract and it will start we're going to start April 20Â Si
just heard late breaking news from about hour ago that's about the when we're going to start that contract and it will start we're gonna start April 20Â Si just heard late breaking
news from about hour ago that's about when
14:30:48 we're going to start construction for that project. And so that's basically all the selection lines within either the state or, county rights of way.
14:30:51 We do have a few public easements of way. We do have a few public easements of the collection line will go in, but it'll be the main line that feeds, that the collection line
will go in, it'll be the main line that feeds, it'll be the main line that feeds, sewage from the properties to the treatment And then what we're talking about today a lot will be the
14:30:58 on site and the actual properties and how how we're going to do each of these little mini property.
14:31:06 They're basically many projects. For each of the properties and I don't know if everybody has their packet and if everybody at home can.
14:31:17 Is there any way I can share? Is the map one? Is that it's okay. It's the map one if it's okay.
14:31:26 If you're on the agenda, right? So the agenda for folks. Who might be viewing online is, on our website.
14:31:33 And top left button on the toolbar BOCC agenda. And then you can scroll down to our.
14:31:41 2 15 time bar. Okay. Thank you.
14:31:55 So the mini projects within a project, we're gonna go over this in general first. The area that is on the for orientation first, the vacant properties, like if they looked very
white in this picture, but they're a grayish color.
14:32:13 We took off the red because they're really made them pop the green properties and we're still refining our what we're calling stage one top days.
14:32:22 They are our highest water users and are required to connect. Properties that are in the green there and we're hoping to bid those the end of this month for we're designing
them as we speak currently.
14:32:37 The properties in the light blue are. Mostly commercial properties as well along that essence corner, and the more the darker pink is the wooden boat school.
14:32:52 The tan color and the corner on the north side of the corner is being our mobile home. And the next stage is the lighter paint, which is mostly the businesses they're along
long term road and logman that are kind of by the treatment plant there.
14:33:09 And then the blue color is the neighborhood of Curtis. Matheson, area.
14:33:16 So we, we decided to break out the, project into smaller pieces, mostly, so that we have the staff resources to handle each of these smaller projects together.
14:33:27 And then we also wanted to be able to have. Maybe smaller contractors bid on these smaller pieces of project as well.
14:33:37 To have local contractors, if we can break them into smaller chunks. It's also, true, it's, helpful for us to have space out the design.
14:33:47 And construction with the construction of the treatment plant and collection starting with the construction of the treatment plant and collection starting.
14:33:51 It's a large load on our resources, our in house resources as well. I saw you rename the phases to stages too.
14:34:01 On the word batch and then get on. So the collection lines there are shown in red and so that for just to kind of backtrack from the collection lines there are shown in red
and so that for just to kind of backtrack from what's in construction we'll be doing are those red lines.
14:34:17 You'll see it on the mason up there by number one. Which is the habitat for humanity property and then down by Cedar Avenue and you can see the red going down to wooden bowl
and then all the way down.
14:34:29 Jim's for the last stop on Elkens is the jail and the sheriff's. Is the.
14:34:37 Mason Street project number one. It doesn't look like it's shaded anything.
14:34:45 Yeah. Okay.
14:34:50 Have you embraced my done beetle name yet? I always wanted to. Bye an animal that our sewer system.
14:35:07 Yes, yes, it's like the in plot task. So we're working and we're working on the animal.
14:35:10 So I guess you can write in questions for animals. But, so, I, so then the properties and the staging and where we're at currently.
14:35:19 The real challenge when we were looking at the design of how to connect each of these properties. The part where we were the most stuck in the very beginning was how to connect
the existing home or properties electrical panel and to have it provide power for the grinder pop every panel is different where they're located is different if they have the capacity.
14:35:46 And so what we've decided while we spoke internally was to have the the property owner and provide the power that we need to what we're calling a disconnect or a box that the
contractor that we hire for each of the properties within the grinder pump that they would have a known location to connect to.
14:36:07 With that, the power obviously is one of the main components of making the grain of pump work. We came up with the idea of having a voucher program.
14:36:16 And we, have our team have done work on what would it cost for, just the standard connection in an electrical panel and we came up with the $2,500 as a maximum that people could.
14:36:32 Provide the receipts and we have an application and, look at all the material. We have an application process that they can submit and then we would reimburse up to $2,500.
14:36:43 It takes out for us the guest work having a bunch of engineers and Just try it. We would be designing channels for a very long time and we just didn't have.
14:36:53 That kind of capability or time for that matter and then we're hoping it gives the property under flexibility.
14:37:00 To maybe if they wanted to do upgrades or just. Julian work in their own panel. We thought that was a better.
14:37:08 Use of everybody's time. How much dedicated? Oh, 2 40, yeah. Regardless of the.
14:37:18 And whether it's on home versus. Okay. I believe when it goes up to I can't remember if it's the 2 pumps of the 4 pumps.
14:37:29 If a home didn't have room in their panel, then they would need to. They could still use 2,500 but it would just it might be a larger spend add another.
14:37:41 Yeah I have multiple panelists at my house. And So that's why it kind of we came up with this idea.
14:37:56 Each one will be unique as you say. They already are, but, so just an extra complexity.
14:38:03 So that's an average based on what you think of the cost would be for a fairly standard. Upper date panel with room.
14:38:13 Correct. And that's kind of how the Voucher program came or the ID I came to be.
14:38:19 And so we're hoping as I stated before just to see if this is. If we're moving in the right direction and that this is something that is.
14:38:32 Seems like you're moving in the right direction to me. It makes a lot of sense.
14:38:34 I like that there's a hard line. It's a grinder pop that this is ours.
14:38:37 That's yours. It will help you. Yeah. And it's, Is it $300,000 set aside for this and that then it's first come first or so based on the stages.
14:38:49 Correct. And it's not included in the packet, but with, Okay. We do provide also details of the disconnect that we want and either is mounted on the structure or mounted on
a post system, remote from your building itself.
14:39:10 And so then we have the 2 options for who will eventually be the onsite. Contractor that you're going to see one of these 2 things and it will always be into you will always
connect into the box.
14:39:22 So just to kind of keep out that guesswork. And would you guys with this voucher program have some, I mean, I imagine there's only a few local electricians that are really gonna
have some, I mean, I imagine there's only a few local electricians that are really gonna have capacity to take on this kind of projections that are really gonna have capacity to take
on this kind of projects where we help to have capacity to take on this kind of projects where we
14:39:38 help refer people to the electricians or is that something that We're kind of leaving all that to the property owner.
14:39:44 And, how they want to handle that part. Okay.
14:39:48 So in terms of the just thinking about.
14:39:53 Kind of how, I like you said in that. Packet the, you know, we want to incentivize the largest water users first because they will.
14:40:03 Be adding the most capacity to the system, which is valuable to the functioning of the system. But how like basically through which stages would you anticipate that 300,000
stretching for the vouchers?
14:40:19 Is that expected to cover everyone in correct these stages? And so I did a broad rush of 135 properties would be connected.
14:40:27 Yeah. 250 and then I did some rounding because that's not exactly $300. Yeah.
14:40:35 At the time I did a and I was round at it. Yeah. So yes, that would include everybody we had grant money to connect would be eligible for Yes, within the space one core area
boundaries. The big phase launch.
14:40:51 Yeah. I think that should do that. Yes, you know, some of the properties have like, look at the VNR mobile.
14:41:05 You know, some of the properties have like, you look at the VNR mobile. There's 75 mobile homes on there, but We're not putting 75 grinder pumps there that there's a standalone
project that Samantha's indicated where likely they'll have gravity lines put in that all lead to a common.
14:41:20 Pump station so that pump stations where the power will be needed but not at 75 mobile homes in there.
14:41:29 So there's way more than a hundred 35. Businesses and residences in this area, but it's more like how many grinder.
14:41:44 Stations are we talking about here.
14:41:45 You know the credit for department, the same thing, all those departments, train to a common point right now.
14:41:55 Where they have a pump currently that pops out to their grain fields and so instead we'll have a brighter.
14:42:03 Station at that location that comes out of the collection system and sold off the or in the B. There is a right now.
14:42:19 So, about here. I guess since I have a microphone on my hand, it's mentioned a couple of things.
14:42:31 I mean, the ordinance is close and it's with the prosecuting attorney's staff office for review but I mean what plays into this probably in your minds is Yeah, who's required
to connect, who can connect optionally.
14:42:47 And we didn't quite get that information on here but required to connect certainly is. Properties in green.
14:42:57 I'm not sure if it dips down into the properties in blue. It probably doesn't get much below that.
14:43:05 So the stages. Lower on that list would be. Folks who want to connect but may not be mandated to connect.
14:43:14 But the about your programs would apply to them as long as we have money available and that's the thing like Math has done a great job.
14:43:24 We've been getting, you know, reasonable kids on this project and everything, but, And currently we as indicated on the third column there, we believe we have a source form.
14:43:36 Funding for these connections, but you know, things cost more than we think than that. To impact these properties on within those later stages here.
14:43:47 I would just like also point out how unique it is for county to even be doing this work. I mean, typically we'd be building a wastewater treatment plan, collection system, which
we are, and that would be, required for certain.
14:44:03 Properties to connect to the sewer and that. Entirely at the property owners cost. But plan here with the money that we all worked hard to get for this project is that the ecology
money and the EPA money, which came through, office and, centered Murray's office.
14:44:24 Can actually be used to connect, you know, few on site connection work for these properties and.
14:44:34 In another key point is because the grinder. To the street infrastructure will actually be owned by the county and maintained by the county.
14:44:46 That makes it part of it makes it public property. So, we're able to use these public phones on that work.
14:44:55 Again, these programs, EPA, andology are motivated to get people systems and use these. And it's supported for us.
14:45:07 To get it flow and go on to that treatment plants as possible and make it operate and operate as it was designed.
14:45:16 It's not gonna run very well off one home. So we have this, everything has to come together pretty fast.
14:45:22 It's really complicated. I think these stages are actually the most complicated part of this whole project. You know, dealing with.
14:45:31 100 projects, now each property is a project. And, It's just a lot of work on top of all the work they're doing to manage the waste water treatment plan and collection system.
14:45:44 But that's What's going on here? And, the electrical work though is a bridge too far for us to take on and, it's not just familiar with, a similar kind of bash program from
when she did projects downtown in Port Townsend when she worked with the city and helping that.
14:46:06 Businesses cut over to the new underground power system from the overhead.
14:46:14 To ask the similarities that perhaps. The source of the money is the Thank you. Chairs County administrator dedicated to this project.
14:46:31 There's roughly a million and a half. Dollars, for, in this project, some much, which is being used for our our internal cost to manage these projects but out of that we can
set aside.
14:46:46 380 some $1,000 for this. Docker program to assess the proposal. Then somebody.
14:46:55 QC we'll get about you. Yeah. How about the calendar? Tracy, you have to.
14:47:07 Rinder Pump installation there or do the electrical work to facilitate that. Thank you. Will be installed by the county as part of this project.
14:47:21 Okay, but there's work to be done. Connection. Okay. Yeah, Well, you know, we, our staff is 3 people.
14:47:35 And, They've been spending an awful lot of time out there talking to various property owners, including facility staff.
14:47:44 I don't know about Tracy. She hasn't been here that long, but they were talking to other members of this little staff at 1 point.
14:47:53 You know, it's. It's gonna be interesting. Yeah, this project has been full speed.
14:48:04 Yeah, which took quite a while to get on board here. We had the initial 20 million. Commerce that had to be under contract by the end of this year.
14:48:14 So do that. It was 6 months to spare here. But we haven't had.
14:48:25 I mean, there's work here for twice as many people today working on this project. And, I think we got a draw team, but you know, some things just.
14:48:37 Are only gonna get addressed when they Finally.
14:48:44 They have to be addressed. Let me know because for now at that point. It's just.
14:48:54 We're keeping the, press down to the floor on this thing with the staff.
14:49:01 There's a lot of things that have to come together in the next year and a half. Fire treatment plant.
14:49:07 All these problems, connected, or enough above the make the treatment platform. Okay. Can I ask a question about some of the other slides like I saw?
14:49:17 I noticed the commercial, you know, you've got that breakdown of businesses basically and you know.
14:49:24 I guess is it only restaurants and things with high strength waste that would require a reist trap that is on the business side of the line?
14:49:32 The high strength waste is a little bit of a different animal. But, and the grease trap and, jump in or somebody else too.
14:49:41 But the grease interceptor, as I'm learning. Okay, one outside the grease trap is inside.
14:49:49 And they're mostly what where they're being installed is mostly in the restaurants. And they're mostly what where they're being installed is mostly in the restaurants and QFC
type. Gotcha.
14:49:56 And they're mostly what where they're being installed is mostly in the restaurants and QFC type places. Okay.
14:49:59 I think there's about 11 of them in our first screens. Is that also for other highway?
14:50:05 Hi, what's it called? Hypower waist, little high strength, it will be in the ordnance and I'm trying to remember what some of the test.
14:50:16 In the area where I think there are some at 900 and we're still kind of talking a little bit about high strength choice internally.
14:50:27 Kitchen is where the grease interceptors. Gotcha, whether it's medium, low or high strength, ways you still gotta get the, out there.
14:50:38 And it's still not there's probably not going to be about your program for that. That's going to be an additional cost on those businesses.
14:50:43 That's oils in Greece. Great. Well, I don't know if you're looking for action.
14:50:53 About whether the voucher program is on the right track. I'll give you mine. It seems like it's a very appropriate use of resources.
14:50:59 Seems like it would be good for. You get the word out there sooner than later about this because there's gonna become a traffic down at the.
14:51:09 Electrician.
14:51:15 Well, will there need to be a RFP to select electricians or could that structure be Hires whoever they would like and if it's a single family residence they believe they have
part in there they wanted to do their own work.
14:51:31 And it looks like. From the application form, you know, they have to be licensed electrician.
14:51:39 They. Meet specification, the, the We have, sorry, Yeah, I don't think any commercial places said they're going to do it themselves.
14:52:05 But we have had that question asked for. I would think that we'd want to be very careful and have, training skilled eyes on those panels before.
14:52:14 Connecting something in our system to them is that in the other, we will have electrician component just connecting the control panels and things of that nature.
14:52:24 So, we have, we don't have that in there currently, but we can.
14:52:31 We will have, I guess, we will already have the expertise. Yeah, when there's a place where you have to.
14:52:38 Show that the installation needs specifications. But I think the panel itself that we'd want to show.
14:52:47 Oh, I'll share that. It'll be. Well, it says red on the form.
14:52:56 So, you know, all like, to work regular. Presumably if you
14:53:08 Yeah, 2 40 service with a 30 am circuit. That you've done that work and it's.
14:53:14 Then it's been installed properly, you know, but. I guess anything's possible, but you know, part of the contract on our end will be will include the license.
14:53:26 Electrical sub contractors. To the and install the control panel. And then connect that to the. Customers for power.
14:53:40 So what about a where there's a pre existing. 30 am with 2 40 installed How do we make sure it meets all these?
14:53:54 Specifications or do we even? I mean, you know, it. There won't be jumps for or hoops for that person to jump through because they've already got the service to that specification.
14:54:08 That's not assigned that power from there panel to the location when they need it. So they're gonna have to maybe run some con do it.
14:54:22 One in the location needed. Us to connect to them. We don't want to be inside their house.
14:54:34 They basically have to get their panel in their house to a location outside their house. Or they're going to go.
14:54:45 And that's gonna require an electrician to do that work. As we get further down the line when we're attaching to collection systems, is the piping from the house to the grinder
pump that's on the homeowner's side or property owner side of the property are we gonna do that plumbing work or that pipe work or they get it to the grinder pump?
14:55:07 Their existing building. Okay, so they already have a, that leads to a septic. Tank.
14:55:16 Okay. And so we'll be tying into that line outside of their building and diverting that flow over to a grinder. Gotcha.
14:55:26 Bye. You know, that's the trick, right? I mean, you can.
14:55:31 Just shut off their septic system and then put in their grinder bump. You know, put in their grinder pump and have everything ready to go and then cut the flow over.
14:55:41 Yeah, now, there's something, you know, a couple of hours and make sure it's ready to.
14:55:49 So that's some of the probably 100 separate projects is finding where we put the grinder pump that's gonna work optimally with the location of the existing.
14:55:58 But the best, commissioner, the best picture on schematic drawings. Even if your panel had, you the part where we shovel little homeowner electrical panel and then the conduit
coming out of the structure across to the control panel that would have to be installed by the property owner and the control panel, that would have to be installed by the property
owner and the control panel.
14:56:29 It's a little misleading, but there would be what we're calling a disconnect box.
14:56:32 That would go on the same in this case, it's a remote setup, so not mounted to the building, you would have a disconnect there that the contractor for the onsite work would
connect to.
14:56:46 So yes. So that, that portion of the work would be.
14:56:54 Now, new connections in the future, all of this work will be done by the property, building grains, like your call, lying to the street, all that's done.
14:57:06 At the cost and with. The developer choose this. And then the county, still has an even though to get to that, you're above the main teams in the future.
14:57:20 Yes, you need to. But a sewer system where one hasn't existed before and so that's part of dealing with this cutting over all these buildings that already have See this new
system and this is what I guess.
14:57:37 Complicated and You know, the pressurized system was selected. For cost savings and and there is cost savings because it's shallow and it's able to be routed.
14:57:54 More easily along the edges of roads without worrying about the . The gravity sewage required We don't have to be digging so deep and all that saves money, but the complexity
is these grinder pumps and again in the electrical system.
14:58:09 The trade off. Right. So And you have that pump cost sunk in the P stations on the gravity system, but you won't be dealing with each person's.
14:58:19 Well, I don't want to switch over as we install this too. So, that to get people to want to switch over as we install this too.
14:58:30 So, doing great work. I guess, you know, you asked the question about what action. Are looking for.
14:58:33 That'd be a question. And Again, this was intended to be a briefing and the action would be either.
14:58:44 You know, it sounds good to us, which isn't, you know, really, Do anything but or.
14:58:51 Come back to us with a different plan, you know, could be an action, but. Having never.
14:58:58 Done something like a voucher program before in my public works career. I don't know what and it can predict what kind of questions you might have and what kind of action might
be required is accounting.
14:59:11 Establish a program by resolution or is it good to just nod and let public works publish? You know a pamphlet that says here's the program.
14:59:27 We'll do it. But if the board felt that we needed something more. Official.
14:59:35 And also do that. But
14:59:42 Yeah, and I mean, in theory, Sucker would be laying in on this too. You know, go ahead and get things. I mean, that could be another direction.
14:59:54 I mean, if you want us to.
14:59:59 You know, that this with the prosecuting attorney's office, we could do that as well.
15:00:06 I think it'd probably be a good idea to get eyes on it just to ensure that we're, not running a follow-up gifting.
15:00:13 I like the your explanation for why it isn't, it makes a lot of sense. Yeah.
15:00:24 Can you Well, when you say you're doing the work of twice the number of people that have on staff any quarter, we can cut legitimately.
15:00:39 Alright, anything else? This is really important project. Thank you guys. Thank you very much.
15:00:51 Thank you.
15:00:55 It's, I, I saw, there's also a decent document to read it. Oh yeah.
15:01:04 What do I do right now for the next 10Â min? And street side they were taken down the old hanger.
15:01:13 They're like, oh. What are they doing? Thank you. Have a great day.
15:01:19 Thanks so much.
15:01:21 Alright, You know.
15:01:29 We're going to do the work for the county. Oh, I got it. All right.
15:01:46 The last thing I mentioned today is a workshop, in the consideration possible selection of candidates for healthier together, aquatic centers to pass the force.
15:01:49 As well as the test first formation and methodology. So who would like to kick this off?
15:01:56 Well, I think, I did not do this agenda request, but I've been working with, Diane and Mark and Carrie and Shelley from the city on the draft of the document.
15:02:08 And I'll talk a little bit about how we got here and just kind of. Hopefully you got everyone had a chance to review the applications.
15:02:15 So I think the Oh, well, you can even bring invite Kerry over. I'm not sure if she'll have anything that she has to say, but, she's welcome to.
15:02:24 Raise your hand. Please, Kerry, if you have any contributions you'd like to make.
15:02:27 So, I mean, just looking through all the applications, I just, I'm. I never cease to be amazed at the, skill sets and qualifications that we have in Jefferson County.
15:02:40 So we were blessed with many fantastic applications. Our goal today is to take a look through the kind of the meeting, document that we have, which is really intended to kind
of set the table for the task force but not absolutely be a prescription for them.
15:02:59 So, kind of the first meeting would be a ratification by the, by the task force itself on on the process.
15:03:08 A couple decision points are who's going to facilitate these meetings and we've kind of set it up right now so there'd be a a commissioner or at each meeting or if not a commissioner
then probably Diane or Mark would facilitate so the idea would be that we would just facilitate them as the commissioners but not really contribute to the content but just Yeah, facilitating
process.
15:03:33 And then our action today is if we feel ready to assign members, to the task force.
15:03:41 We had 2 recommended members from Jefferson, Qatar Coalition and who live outside of Port Townsend.
15:03:50 We live outside of Port Townsend both in district 2 I believe. Cape George colony and Port Hadlock.
15:03:56 And then we have, you know, for just 3 was, you know, the work came first. So let's, really actively campaign to get some applications, but we did.
15:04:06 So let's really actively campaign to get some applications, but we did have 2 very qualified applicants, but we did have, 2, very qualified applicants.
15:04:13 So I'm, ready to move forward on district 3, but, district 2 and district one there's some hard choices to make so I guess I'm wondering if you guys are I've processed that
if you want to have how you want to proceed with this are.
15:04:23 Our basic, guidelines where that each commissioner was going to make the assignments, recommendations from their, district.
15:04:32 So I guess the question for you guys is are you You feel prepared to do that? Yeah, yeah, I mean, I think the, you know, discussion is helpful because, you know, it'd be nice
to cover a lot of different, bases and, you know, yeah, yeah, see having there be, you know, changing my, I have most applicants in my, which helps.
15:04:55 But you know, changing that if we had a number of people with. Expertise in one area.
15:05:03 But I would also see if Diane was out there from Jack. I don't know if She was witnessing the Eclipse today.
15:05:10 Well, I know a lot about one of their applicants less about the other, but. We can.
15:05:24 So I noticed that one of their proposed applicants did not submit. An application to us. I don't know which is not a required.
15:05:35 So, but I made sure that she sent them in so we could remove the one that did submit the not have to submit.
15:05:44 I think they'll still have this to share on the board that probably have to fill out an application form like our normal boards and committees application form but the condition
of the So, should we just.
15:05:55 Consider, you know, Jack and then district 3 district one. Does that sound like a reasonable way to go?
15:06:04 And,
15:06:06 D. Oh no, just the names of the 2. I've got him. You've got it.
15:06:17 Yeah, oops, no. There we go. You have right there? Residents of district 2 making my job a little bit easier.
15:06:34 And Mary Rothschild. Right, yeah. I know Craig is a lifeguard at Mountain View is one of the at one of the meetings that we went to Dan in Brennan, I think.
15:06:44 Seems like a great. Yeah, great advocate. I don't know, Mary, but
15:06:50 We gave them the freedom to do that so I'm sure that she was All right, well, I'll go on to.
15:06:57 Do we want to do them as a slate when we're Okay, yes, so we will make one motion at the end and we'll take public comment before we make a vote.
15:07:08 From district 3, L, at the Port Ludlow village council meeting that I was at and, asking for people to be.
15:07:16 To consider applying. Dan passed on to Adele Govert the the option and she who has been, I think we're all familiar with Adele.
15:07:25 She's a mover and a shaker in the political world and she's been I've known her as someone who really has been working hard to get an elevator access for the Port Ludlow Beach
Club pool and you know has the ears of legislators as well as a lot of experience.
15:07:41 And, a lot of social services. Service, social service. And then Lynn Hofty, was connected by Adele who reached out to Lynn and she's, I believe, you guys have the applications
as well, but along, career and scholarship and then a swim instructor is still a swim instructor in Port Ludlow and lives in Quilstein and both of
15:08:11 them are to have fantastic qualifications. I know a Dell personally. I look forward to meeting Lynn.
15:08:17 And getting to know her, but I'm, happy to, move forward those 2 members to be part of the task force.
15:08:25 Okay, well I had 3 applicants from district 2 so I had some considering to do. And, I am going to recommend that we appoint.
15:08:38 Jim, who was in the room with us here today and I would I would just like to underscore how much work Jim is already put into this project.
15:08:50 Outside of the interest or the political side of this, but just literally digging in and doing the work and finding out about different pool vendors and.
15:08:59 Putting a lot of his time and resources into doing the research. So I'm super grateful for what you've been doing, Jim and look forward to your participation on task force.
15:09:08 And then, the second person that I will be appointing from district 2 is Celeste Sean.
15:09:15 Is that, is a dollar a Taylor? Okay, And she is. A super astute facilitator and I think will be a asset to the task force in terms of that and kind of.
15:09:34 Hurting the cats and getting people moving in a direction together. She's also. Has been a competitive swimmer.
15:09:42 And she lives in Chimicon, so a little bit of geographic diversity. She is also the executive director of the Olympic community of health.
15:09:52 So very tuned in to health issues on the Olympic Peninsula. And, anyway, so.
15:09:58 Those are my 2 recommendations and I appreciate, also the application of Chris Hansen. Who was involved with the until early on.
15:10:11 Thank you, Press, for your interest. It was a very hard choice for me, but felt like I feel like Jim and Celeste are gonna represent.
15:10:20 My district really well. Great. Well, I had a really hard decision with many qualified applicants all bringing very different.
15:10:34 All of them valuable, equally valuable. Oh, I think ultimately the 2 that I have landed on, although I'm very open to feedback given some of the other folks that we're looking
at today.
15:10:48 But I, kind of wire because, yeah, yeah. Yes, engineering.
15:11:00 So I think. Yeah, very, very valuable. I would, like to put his name forward.
15:11:06 The other is Nancy Spencer, just because of her decades of experience in operations, aquatic centers.
15:11:17 Although it does sound like we have a number of folks on board who have, bring some of that experience.
15:11:22 I'm not sure it's the same. Depth. So, You know, there we have, for example, you got a couple of attorneys put their names forward, actually, so typically 3 8 20 is by district.
15:11:39 You know, so if we feel like we already have a really strong. Representation of aquatic center operations and and would benefit from, for example, Steve Gross who It was the
pretending that works for the Ministry Research Service Center, you know, understands.
15:11:56 Yeah, public funding. Yeah, yeah, although that's kind of outside the scope of this. But very interested in good governance.
15:12:07 I mean, he would contribute a lot. You're talking, your job is very tough. I don't say any of these would be.
15:12:12 Dallas ballot members, but I, you know, I think. Nancy, would be great.
15:12:19 Okay, great. So then I, those are the 2 that I choose to put forward. I mean, Jim is an attorney.
15:12:23 So we've got. And I miss the first thing.
15:12:30 And it's just, you know, huge thanks to the many people from District One from all districts to put their name forward, but.
15:12:44 So it's really, it's really gratifying that. Step forward to help us try to truth this out.
15:12:52 Yeah, I do think it's worth following up when we do choose. So with folks and just really checking their availability.
15:12:59 We had discussed, do we wanna have there be alternate? I think consistency of this group is really important.
15:13:11 I've just not been enough minutes, but that is really meeting people who are going to be around.
15:13:13 The next 2 months. It can commit to this fairly aggressive time. And you see that even from our idea of the task force originally being 2 months long to this now we're talking
about.
15:13:24 Meeting every other week or so 2Â h every other week for 8 meetings is what we're talking about.
15:13:34 Also, more like 4 months. Okay. More than every other week seems. Pretty unrealistic.
15:13:47 So, do we wanna consider the slate and then look at the document? You wanna look at the document so we can get all the public comments as we, cause I don't think we need to
make a motion about that but I think Yeah, no, that's a good idea.
15:14:00 Let's talk about the. I share my screen so we can walk through it.
15:14:06 Yes, that'd be great.
15:14:13 Okay. Okay. Okay. And you know, I think it's been unclear kind of who is the task force.
15:14:27 Making recommendations to and for and I think we did clarify that was BOCC to city council and Send the staring.
15:14:37 But we're ultimately gonna take our own action as the VOCC. We're not gonna choose to whether to put it on the ballot.
15:14:47 Form a PSP is one choice that we have. But we wouldn't form a PFV, not intending to take it to the ballot.
15:14:56 Yes.
15:14:59 And so that's why you see a heavy involvement. Yep.
15:15:07 So, you know. Some in person mostly zoom is what we talked about. I think we would, it doesn't.
15:15:20 We don't have to follow OPMA, but we're going to have every meeting open so we can have Zoom Meetings that you know we open a lot of attendees the same way that we do here.
15:15:28 Public comment will be primarily written as the idea and the rationale behind that was just so the task force members can consider public input, but don't take the very precious
time they have to.
15:15:42 Process it right then at the meetings. You know getting together and talking about norms you know figuring out how they're gonna make decisions recognizing It seems like, can
I just say under that first one where it says.
15:15:59 They don't know each other. Everyone should admit a brief bio. It just seems like we can give everyone each other's applications.
15:16:06 Cause that And application information instead of making them do more work. I agree. Yeah. Think that makes sense.
15:16:15 And
15:16:16 Sorry, I'm just trying to.
15:16:19 Okay, I'm sorry, but you guys, point 2 at large. We haven't appointed any. Yeah.
15:16:26 We'll do it as a slate, but we just wanted to kind of talk through this so when we collect public comment they can also, tell us what's wrong with this.
15:16:32 Okay. So
15:16:37 You know, first one in person. So the, another concept is, are we okay with, POC members present or staff members facilitating the conversation.
15:16:51 You know, each, meeting will have a more formal agenda created before it as well. And so you know, I think the group.
15:16:59 The task force itself can certainly weigh in on the agenda and contribute to that agenda. I mean, we're not trying to.
15:17:08 You know, feed information and get if we want, we want really considered. Analysis of the information we have and information we don't have.
15:17:18 So I think keeping the agenda is fairly flexible, but you know. Maybe that means. You know, an internal chair.
15:17:26 I don't know. I guess this is I'm asking as much as. Well, I think, I mean, they're gonna know their work better than.
15:17:32 Any outsider right so having someone internal to the group. Organizing, you know, what the next questions are that the task force needs answered seems to make sense to me.
15:17:44 Right. Yeah, but I mean, I do think that. Given some of the.
15:17:54 Strong.
15:17:59 Resistance to that. I do think there needs to be a process that keeps things. Constructive and moving and.
15:18:08 And that having a facilitator is probably going to be important to keep it on that track.
15:18:13 It's gonna be some strong voices and others in that group that are not as comfortable speaking up and.
15:18:20 And keeps it moving forward. Too caught in one person's opinion, for, or you know. I didn't know we were considering something other than a facilitator.
15:18:32 For this. I'm trying to think about. I guess how a task force member says, oh, we need, I want, I want to make sure we consider this.
15:18:47 Is that something that they would then? Connect with. Carolyn about and Carolyn meets with the I mean who's ultimately responsible for each agenda is a really important thing
and it's it's sort of Hackney, I think to have.
15:19:01 Oh, since I'm at the first meeting, I'm responsible for the agenda. Kate's at the second meeting.
15:19:05 She's responsible for the agenda. So having a consistent voice that is responsible for the agenda is something that we haven't fully considered yet.
15:19:12 And I just. Doesn't have to be decided today. Is. Okay.
15:19:25 I am very interested in the outcome of this task force, but I am, I don't feel a need to be involved in the outcome of this task force, but I am, I don't feel a need to be involved
and I won't speak for you you know, Greg in your role on the steering committee if you were to be kind of our consistent presence here and and facilitating.
15:19:45 I would fully support that. I would be happy to do that. I mean, I don't wanna make every one of these a special meetings.
15:19:51 So like if meeting 2 stays like it is and we can get offices to be there for that one. I set up the agenda and you would facilitate and share essentially.
15:20:00 Yeah, I mean if Or you do it for consistency. I've been involved in a lot of these right on the steering committee.
15:20:10 Almost to date. So, I just think it might complicate things more to have.
15:20:18 Different facilitators? Yes, yeah. And I don't know. You know, like the third one we're talking about, a tour of the, you pool and that would be a logical one to have as a special
meeting so we could all participate in that.
15:20:38 I've done it. But I don't know what, Yeah, to turn the name out.
15:20:54 I just think we've been any of this. I'll be participating in every meeting if that's what you're asking.
15:21:02 I just think if we need a strong facility, I would suggest we need a really strong facilitator for this.
15:21:08 And if it's not gonna be Greg, then who's it going to be? Well, we don't want it's hard to really facilitate and engage, I think.
15:21:21 I'd be happy to do it and go to all the meetings. That's no problem. Those could just be special meetings. Yeah.
15:21:33 One meeting that I'm listed to be the lead on and I think we could just list that one meeting that I'm listed to be the lead on and I'm I think we could just list that one right?
Notice.
15:21:42 Notice them as a PSC special meeting. That's fine. That was one of my big questions.
15:21:49 And then other than this, I think the content of the meetings, really is kind of best.
15:21:55 Gone over at that first meeting with the task force and. See if there's other options.
15:22:01 Other. Technologies or consultants that we want to bring in. We don't have a lot of money for another, you know, hiring another consultant, but if there's other presentations
we want, I think we can arrange that.
15:22:13 Getting the companies that did that. The variety of the non view assessments and everything. Right. That was online, but.
15:22:27 So let me help with maps and I'm familiar with 2 sites in Adlock. I don't know what the third one is.
15:22:36 Just feel like there's some data pieces that need to be. Hmm. I mean, you know all that. I mean, I know, I know too.
15:22:47 Oh, it looks like Kerry, go ahead.
15:22:49 Do you have a comment?
15:22:52 Yeah.
15:22:50 Can you guys hear me okay? I was just gonna say, you know, Greg, if you facilitate the meetings, I certainly can do all the behind the scenes work and invite people to the meetings
and gather materials and have them ready to go for the meetings.
15:23:04 And so you don't have to feel like you're on that on your own.
15:23:06 Okay, thank you, Kerry. That's very generous. I will definitely take you up on this.
15:23:10 Okay.
15:23:11 Right. No one ever asked me to do that background stuff because it just doesn't happen that. Okay.
15:23:19 And I know that, you know, Diane, the president of Jack plans to be there and she's been a great help already and we'll continue to help.
15:23:27 You know, so I think all in the benefit of to the benefit of the task force to be able to do the work, be able to ask the questions they want with freedom and, and have pretty
open conversations.
15:23:37 Okay. Yeah.
15:23:41 Okay, so just to be clear, I'm sorry, I was, to that. There was no motion on the table.
15:23:49 And you had picked, 2 for each district. You didn't finalize that? We're gonna make that one motion for all this late.
15:23:54 We just wanted to talk through the document before we took public comment. Thank you.
15:24:02 Chat mark. It's gone now, but it's in the agenda request. Whenever I couldn't, it would skip to the next page so I couldn't see the second half of it when I had the text.
15:24:13 Okay, well I, am happy to make a motion that we. Create the healthier together task force and and seat the members from district 3, Adele Govert.
15:24:33 And Lynn Hove from the Jefferson Aquatic Coalition. Pray Henry and Mary Rothschild from District 2.
15:24:43 So let's show in Thaler and Jim Scarantino from District One, Nancy Speser and Todd McGuire.
15:24:53 I'm happy to second that motion. Alright. You're gonna open this up for public comments.
15:24:59 Welcome people to comments only on the motion on the table. So we will start, in the room here.
15:25:10 Would anyone like to provide public comments? Alright, so go to the Zoom room. Anyone? Zoom like for that public comment.
15:25:20 And so,'ll bring you over. 3Â min. Are you on? Okay.
15:25:31 Go ahead, Mr. Teersch, followed by Ms. You know.
15:25:35 Okay, great. Good afternoon, commissioners. I I have some Well, some comments I guess about this this task force and the way it's organized and the way it's gonna operate
15:25:52 Not clear who the chair of the committee is going to be and if you're going to follow Roberts rules even kind of sort of you got to have a chair so I guess that's the very first
thing organization is you gotta figure that one out.
15:26:05 But probably one of the most important things to me is, Open Public Meetings Act.
15:26:11 And in this document that you were considering, it says that, well, it's kind of sort of BOPMA, but not really.
15:26:20 Well, I'm sorry, there is no sort of. First of all, according to the motion that was just made and being considered, the task force is a creation of the county.
15:26:29 Now, county policy requires that all of its committees be subject to OPMA. Period. Sorry, that's.
15:26:35 You Simple. You want to, support for that is given by the fact that your VOCC decision whether or not to create or form a PFD is going to be predicated on the work product of
the task force.
15:26:51 Therefore, the task force is not purely advisory. It's a mandatory prerequisite for your further action.
15:26:59 And therefore, it is subject to all PMA. So, you know, instead of just saying online OPMA training is offered to task force members.
15:27:09 No, it's required. OPMA training is offered to task force members. No, it's required.
15:27:12 OPMA requires that all members of the task force take the online trainings. For the OPMA.
15:27:17 And, Just one last concern. You were talking about the members introducing themselves to each other.
15:27:24 Might want to be cautious about that if a person were to put in a public records request that says for example show me the applications for all the people.
15:27:32 That request would be denied because the Public Records Act protects applications. Even for volunteers from disclosure. So before you go sending around all those bios with people.
15:27:43 Maybe you shouldn't. Just a word of caution on that. Other than that, the length of time that this, that this task force is going to meet is certainly stretched out quite a
bit. I see.
15:27:56 It looks to me like it's just an awful lot of duplication of work that was already done by the steering committee.
15:28:02 Not clear what additional added value there's going to be because my understanding was the task force was to basically.
15:28:11 Not rehash all the stuff that had gone on before. That's in the report. That's what, you know, half 1 million dollars was spent getting there.
15:28:20 So why repeat that? Why stretch it out? Not clear to me, but I'll leave that up to the task force to decide.
15:28:27 Anyway, thanks for the opportunity to comment.
15:28:30 Thank you, Mr. Kish. And it's here now.
15:28:36 Good afternoon. I just would like to clear up what seems to be a misunderstanding on my position this morning.
15:28:43 On the pull project. I just want to be perfectly clear. I am not against a pool in Port Townsend.
15:28:50 Actually, I am for a pool in Port Townsend. I am just not for the mega church per pool that is up for a 50 million dollar budget.
15:29:00 So I am all about seeing the health benefits and all of the good things that a pool brings to our community.
15:29:10 I think, I mean, if I get what I really wanted, we'd fix the Mountain View pool and then in the future we'd add a pool in the county.
15:29:20 I think that's the best option, but I think it needs to start out being public funding. It's doing this, not taxpayer funding.
15:29:28 There is too much emphasis put on new taxes and we just can't take anymore. And I agree with, Tom, I think these all need to be public meetings.
15:29:43 And what I don't see in the document. Is the request. To get a large amount of people to tell you what they want, even if it's just a poll of what these people want.
15:29:55 Looking for is people that are saying yes we want A pool. You're not looking for people who say, we can't afford this.
15:30:05 We want something different. So there has to be some component of asking people a large amount of the community, what do you want from this pool task force?
15:30:17 Thank you.
15:30:19 Thank you, Miss. You know? Okay. Okay.
15:30:33 My own call.
15:30:38 Alright, any responses?
15:30:45 Well, I think Mr. Sh is right that we probably should have asked for bios. And Oh, PMA, I mean, actually just.
15:30:54 Requiring the OPMA training is no not a big deal it's not that long so video do you have Zoom Meetings if it didn't free exist?
15:31:07 That's the, I mean, I guess. Afraid for OPMA that we are required to have a hybrid option which adds a lot of So given the nature of this committee, I thought it was going to
be OPMA, but after full months I've looked at it, I believe he, and correct me if I'm wrong, Mark, I believe he was saying it didn't need to be
15:31:23 okay, but that would follow it pretty closely. So I mean, In regards to that, we were gonna have a zoom link for everyone publicize that.
15:31:33 If you weren't gonna hold a public comment period, that's what a written comments would come in.
15:31:39 And then it would be approved. Yeah, I mean. I don't know. I don't know.
15:31:47 I would talk that they'll have to hear about it more. IT and the opinion was 2 commissioners attend one of these.
15:31:59 It's covered by okay. Otherwise, no. But it has gone through a number of different permeations.
15:32:06 Is, is that when it was formed by the commissioners? I mean, that is true that if looking at today, previous version is.
15:32:15 That's what I provided to Philip. But nothing on those document says that it is. Created by action of this board.
15:32:23 And that if that does, so, okay, cause we talked about was it, was it a task force reporting to the steering committee previously like I just wonder if we made that opinion
based on .
15:32:38 And you, are you required to consider their recommendations.
15:32:41 And I said, I'm not sure you're required to, but you certainly will. Hmm.
15:32:49 Yeah, and then he came back saying it did not, We should still have a chair probably, even if they're not facilitating just if someone can make the recommendations.
15:33:00 I mean, going. For small boards, reasonable But I think these are the kind of governance things that we can bring up.
15:33:06 At that first meeting too with the Salesforce. I guess I have you in mind for that when I was, calling you a facilitator.
15:33:14 Oh.
15:33:16 I don't think that would that be appropriate. Mean I can I can still facilitate it I mean you can have you don't have to have I'm in many meetings where I'm the chair and then
someone else a staff member facilitates left one board for example.
15:33:29 So.
15:33:32 We'll get this that ironed out, I don't think, and even Opium A, the only concern about OPM is I don't want to be forced into hybrid meetings just because it adds a lot of.
15:33:43 Cumbersome it's really it's tough to have a good hybrid meeting and if you're doing it at night can't do it here so if you have an in person, that's the requirement.
15:33:54 Secondary. Yeah. That will make things harder. Yeah.
15:33:58 Well, we don't need to. Figure that out today. That's not that's not the motion that's on the floor.
15:34:05 It's true but take it under consideration. Yeah.
15:34:10 Alright, anything else we're about? I'm just that you know the We're not voting on the.
15:34:17 Work plan either that will also be kind of worked on the first meeting with with the group. We'll do some dual polls and And.
15:34:26 Yeah, work out the flow with them as well. So if people feel it's redundant to go through those original.
15:34:35 Reports I think it's really important. Background for any decision or recommendation is made.
15:34:41 So I guess I take issue with that a little bit, but I know a lot of the members have already done that research, so it will be not a heavy lift.
15:34:50 It feels like it's important for people to all have a common. Set of information though, you know, instead of.
15:34:58 Yeah, if we rely on what people have read over the last 6 to 8 months, you know, it feels like having.
15:35:05 The same information presented, the group. I agree. That makes sense to me.
15:35:14 Alright. Okay, all those in favor of the slate of candidates as listed by commissioner, to be appointed to the Both your together task force, please say aye.
15:35:26 Alright, good. That is approved unanimously. And, Should someone decide that they're not available for the longer term, or the more detailed kind of work plan?
15:35:39 We might need to reconsider, but. Sounds good. Alright. Thanks guys.
15:35:46 Thanks for the app tickets to. Really appreciate it. Definitely.
15:35:50 Alright. Notice all that we have on our agenda. Is there anything else you wanna? Did we do you know Tracy got any information about the EV charges?
15:36:01 That I don't.
15:36:06 See.
15:36:21 Hmm. Greg, I worry a little bit what you're doing. And, Hopefully not.
15:36:32 Over. No, no, not over, but you know, we have a full time staff now, who's great.
15:36:40 So, you know, without Glen Cobe being part of this late of projects, I have much less work to do.
15:36:43 I just throw in ideas and I think, finally enough, slash show and dollar is kind of joined that group and it looks like the Olympic community of health will be the convener
for a lot of the barrier removal aspects of the recompute project.
15:36:57 So, you know, that's definitely many, many hands make. Slightly lighter work. That's great.
15:37:13 I don't really have anything else. I mean, do we wanna
15:37:24 I mean, we just talked a little bit. I mean, we know the kind of info we'll get.
15:37:30 We'll either get. Take it or leave it. Or I mean, there's other ways to like, you know, Mr. Cheers sent along, legislation that Portangelis passed that that externally from
any contract caps.
15:37:46 The amount of, big that a private electric vehicle charger could add. So there's, you know, work we can do with the city and the county to say, right?
15:38:01 You can only add so much on to the price of electricity, 20% over the cost of electricity, 20% over the cost of the electricity or what have you.
15:38:05 But that could be separate work from the contract.
15:38:08 The chargers, you know, if they say no. That I would, I guess I would say, all right, well, we'll take them.
15:38:18 I mean, That feels a little bit like a waste to me to take. Hmm. What are they?
15:38:27 What's the 7 kilowatt? I mean, it's just, I have been frustrated a number of times with slow chargers and, you know.
15:38:37 Oh, I'm gonna have to spend 4Â h here to get. 30, 30 to 35 miles.
15:38:47 You know? Yeah, I mean, I, I think uptown, where I can't remember the breakdown, but there gonna be someone up town.
15:38:53 I think that's fine. Like that is an area where people will spend. Yeah, down town, whatever, there's an economic development benefit, people, racketing time.
15:39:08 Yeah. But not the visitor side. Yeah. Level 2 charges there is just useless. Yeah.
15:39:09 And 7 kilowatts is kind of useless for. I don't want, we don't allow people to park over night. Is there center center?
15:39:24 So, Yeah, I think. I think we've identified that as a point of negotiation.
15:39:30 We really like to get, resolved and changed. And adding on 5 cents per kilowatt.
15:39:37 I don't know, I mean. Revenue is good, but you know. Hi, I've also gone and had sticker shock, at some places where it's, you know, just it seems, and you know.
15:39:49 What's the highest you've seen at least like 1550? Yeah, it's the, the increase. I don't know.
15:40:02 I feel like I sound more than that in Portland. I'm charged there once at this. Fast charging station.
15:40:12 Yeah, by far most or more than the base caught and we have a low base cost kilowatt hour anyway.
15:40:13 But yeah, I think they've heard of them being upwards of 70 cents, that was in the sixties.
15:40:22 I'm sure, 65 or something. And I do have the app for that EDCS.
15:40:28 And I can't say it or something. And I do have the app for that EVCS.
15:40:29 And I can't say that been my favorite characters, but I've used them a number of times.
15:40:31 Okay. All the ones going to be EVCS though, right? That's the idea.
15:40:37 Yeah, that's part of this. The grants. I mean, I guess just talking about which chargers where, you know, I don't know how much the flexibility we have, so.
15:40:49 Kick it for a week. Well, I think the more guidance we can give to Tracy on this.
15:40:55 We really want to see a test larger at the visitor centers there. No, it's just critical.
15:41:03 Yeah. That's my main concern.
15:41:11 Do we need the revenue? I don't know. I'm more concerned about getting more people.
15:41:18 Any of these that I am about the county earning revenue from them. I think there's other benefits to people parking at them.
15:41:26 So, I would be fine for going counties revenue. And I mean, we don't have to change the contract to forego the revenue.
15:41:32 It was written in there that we could take less. Not required, right? Yeah, I'm fine with that.
15:41:40 Okay.
15:41:46 Nothing else from me. I'm sorry, I'm really tired today. I'm still, yeah, hour earlier.
15:41:55 Are we gonna have a workshop on this? And whatever new information we have. We'll bring your workshop and then if you choose to proceed with this, make a motion following the
discussion or decide to
15:42:10 In the I think we're asking if Tracy can negotiate. that point about the visitor center that .
15:42:20 Okay. Recall she said they went through the funding for the visitors. So this is for the and community center only.
15:42:29 Is that the, what was federal? So this is just for the port downs of the person. Okay, that's right. And that's on how I had read it too.
15:42:37 Okay.
15:42:39 Let's see, so. I mean, for for a level 3, even if they're 1 50.
15:42:46 I mean, I think it's, you know. Like, 68 versus 72 kilowatts per hour.
15:42:55 In between on 1 50 and 3 50. Yeah, I'm not as concerned about that even though it does feel like, you know.
15:43:01 We're installing last year's technology. Yeah, yeah, I'm not, I guess, cause my can't take advantage of the 3 50 anyway or not with any.
15:43:13 Real increase in speed. So I'm fine with that. I did notice in the federal regulation that Mr. Chair sent it is required to use to have a CCS charger, it is required to use
to have a CCS charger, in the federal regulation that Mr. Chair sent, it is required to use to have a CCS charger, which you're saying is obsolete, but it's all my car takes. I know
you can get adapter. Yeah.
15:43:30 So I'm It sounds like that is still a they're going to be adapters all around.
15:43:39 So I'm fine with the CCS.
15:43:47 It doesn't seem like it needs to be a workshop just to quit checking. I mean, maybe you're seeing like it needs to be a workshop just to quit checking in. I mean, maybe I guess
call or show.
15:44:00 Yeah, putting it on So we talked. 1030. Okay.
15:44:15 Just one level 2.
15:44:21 Old leaf drivers like me. Okay, thanks. But I don't think that needs to slow down this question of, oh no, you said it's, we don't have that.
15:44:36 Contract before us anyway. For the business. This is just the visitor center. Are we fine with this one as this?
15:44:46 Thank you. I mean, a week's not gonna make a difference, is it? Or? I don't know.
15:44:53 I mean, is that we're not asking for any changes on this one. I mean, the, the, biggest concern we had was the gateway visitor.
15:44:59 Setting on the table and I didn't understand that earlier. So this is just Port Townsend.
15:45:02 Give me any, I'm fine with it. I mean, I guess maybe the question is, can we increase the power on that 7.6 kilowatts.
15:45:15 I don't know. I feel like I would love to have a little bit more understanding about. What flexibility we do have with, you know, EVCS.
15:45:24 Going forward, you know, cause we're gonna these conversations are gonna keep happening. We have 5 of these are on county.
15:45:31 Right. Well, if we can establish a pattern, we should do it now. It feels like this is the time to do it.
15:45:38 So we want to bridge trail. I mean, it would be lovely if EVCS could come and chat with for a little bit just to cut.
15:45:45 Is that unpleasant? Are you? We'll ask that question as well. Well, let's see.
15:45:53 Let's see what answers we can get. If they agreed to Dr. Kibel, what if what was it?
15:46:03 Some point 6 to some higher number or make battle level 3 also.
15:46:08 Well, I don't know, I'm not familiar with the, the more universal.
15:46:14 Charging type that Mr. Trish mentioned and. It is the Tesla. It is the Tesla.
15:46:19 Okay, I wondered. I mean, is it worth asking? So they're building those charging stations now that are not Tesla.
15:46:29 Branded Chargers. I, I guess I, I don't know. I don't know the standards as well as Mr. Cheers seems to.
15:46:39 So I can't speak to that. Okay. You know, you either go to a Tesla charger.
15:46:47 That has that. Hello, that's that's a level 2. You got an email from I mean, but I can, I've got just a snap one thing and I use at home, I use the CCS.
15:47:13 That's not like. Obsolete just outdated. Well, I'm saying I go to I've been to dozens and dozens of public chargers and never seen.
15:47:24 That's the Tesla Charger at a non-testal station. So I, I don't think it's absolutely the vast majority of charges or CCS and Shadmel if they're not Tesla branded but and so
I'm totally supportive of.
15:47:40 Trying to step to that and seeing that technology change. But, and just not saying that we're there yet.
15:47:45 Looking at the, Portlandalis legislation too, they expect to change that. Chargers in 5 years.
15:47:52 So, I mean, in this. Here as well. You know, getting them in. Does not mean that we are tied to them forever.
15:47:56 It means that those are the ones that are in right now. And that's those are spots that will be EV chargers.
15:48:03 Presumably going forward as well so I think. But I really tightened too. I mean, this is.
15:48:09 Advantageous to EVC as they're doing this for revenue. So do they. That's.
15:48:18 I mean, I'm gonna see if we have a, I saw 10 years mentioned. We're required to keep to have them in that.
15:48:29 Service role for 10 years. Optional 10 year extension.
15:48:36 What if they upgrade?
15:48:39 Equipment.
15:48:44 Yeah.
15:48:47 A lot of unmaintained. I know. Hmm.
15:49:01 Hmm.
15:49:05 Yeah, I guess that would be a question for them too. What is the, how do they respond to, Yeah, it's indicated that they have an individual with joining now.
15:49:21 That option should be. S the link to this individual and see if they want to talk. Let's do it.
15:49:30 Nice. Real time. Remember that member of the Kalala experience. A lot of us drive electric vehicles out there.
15:49:44 And there was one charger that was working. Hmm. That was the luck of the draw in there.
15:49:50 Well, and so fork says the big new bank of Tesla chargers, but and apparently they have They now have a doctor on one of those.
15:50:03 That will work for CCS. I didn't see it. I wasn't well marked or anything.
15:50:07 So I, that up. Yeah, way too many hours. So. And still only was trying to get enough to get to Walmart in Los Angeles with the 150.
15:50:23 How long does it? Oh, you can only take advantage of the 1 50. Yeah, most cam in the 84 is can't take for 3 50.
15:50:31 I think you're like a well and you never like you don't even there's still a lot of variables that you know.
15:50:38 I don't know, can you always use 3 50 or do you check out it? Bigger the bigger one, right?
15:50:50 Well, but how much is, how much, what's the Tesla? There's 1 50 and there's 300 fifty's and the 3 fiftys do seem faster but the 1 50 is fine too.
15:50:56 Square is a 1 50 charge or in the force I think is the 3 50. And it's, it makes a difference, but, you know, yeah, cause like, you know, when you're in the apps, like people
are definitely reporting what they're.
15:51:09 You get a How much? And what I always forget is that the. The amount and there's the speed.
15:51:20 And that it's, a Most cars aren't getting the full. That was kilowatt benefit.
15:51:28 Alright, she's calling the individual. So.
15:51:35 Hmm. You don't think that, leave us any? I don't know if we're supposed to share it anymore.
15:51:54 Yes, Thank you.
15:52:02 Everyone was just waiting to see if that. Oh, there's a, should I just ask a question?
15:52:09 Well, the first meeting be next week. We'll do, we'll do some, Let's see what works for the members.
15:52:17 So I was thinking just to find out. Oh, gotcha. Yeah, yeah. Sorry.
15:52:21 Are you going somewhere fun next week, Jim? Will be able to happen next week. I think it's probably good and you know we'll make accommodations for anyone that has to want to
be at first.
15:52:37 Thank you. Okay.
15:52:50 Let's give you guys soon. At 10 under 4 o'clock.
15:52:56 We'll see. That happens. You guys are more a geek, black baby, charging.
15:53:04 I tend to get frustrated. Hmm. What does your Tesla have? 2 45.
15:53:15 We don't have the same range of the same year, don't we? I think so.
15:53:21 I mean, my, you know. It's I seldom get 2 40 it has to be really warm.
15:53:27 And actually going 55 miles an hour only to get that Downhill are fine. Downhill.
15:53:39 Like I remember going to Spokane and coming back. It's much better coming back.
15:53:43 Hmm, I put mine on that hilltop mode. Just. For the battery. That.
15:53:51 I think on the both each one of those little Squares is like, it's 3 kilowatts.
15:53:57 Hmm. I've read somewhere. I was looking through this last night. Still that, Yeah, I've been very happy with mine.
15:54:08 Catherine's head is the longest. She's, Okay. Yeah, I mean, for the price point.
15:54:17 Yeah.
15:54:21 If you need to go.
15:54:25 Are you meeting outside or? I have a meeting with an attorney or. But it's only about 2Â min away and I told him I'd be late.
15:54:38 We have I'll be here at 9 for a meeting with Mark.
15:54:46 And then, Okay, you'll be in person. Me too.
15:54:56 Hmm.
15:55:01 It's still probably watching. Okay, might be best to line up somebody. If they're willing to talk, it'd be great to talk to them just still like kind of I don't think we have
any hard lines just we're really interested in Okay.
15:55:32 I mean, bad charter label is why you got rid of yours, right? And, yeah, I like to road trip.
15:55:40 That was. Would have been cheaper to take my. Wow. And yeah, and there was and there was broken chargers.
15:55:49 And it was expensive. Well, in the. The Electricify America Chargers were so affordable at first and I think that has largely fallen off right.
15:56:17 I'm sorry. I'm gonna pay. My old one had a lifestyle. Oh wow.
15:56:27 Yeah, they don't do that anymore. Okay, that's cool.
15:56:30 Yeah, I guess I don't do a lot of road trips. We've got long distances.
15:56:44 I think the train instead. And, the, the, the, went to a climate thing and they took a train instead of a plane to have a smaller footprint and then did the research and they
were on diesel trains the whole way and they use more carbon on the train and they would have on the plane.
15:57:03 Who is this diesel? Amtrak, I guess. I don't know. Electric.
15:57:11 Oh really? I don't know. Yeah, I think that was mostly freight because it's so slow.
15:57:18 It's really efficient for slow. For weight. Yeah, you don't lose capacity or you don't use Okay, and we gotta wait for the free train a lot.
15:57:31 Yeah. You see that John Oliver on the super trains that are like stuck places where like they end up.
15:57:38 Blocking intersections for hours at a time in these little towns. Where is that? And they all, you know, all over.
15:57:48 These little towns and these trains because they're making trains longer and longer to make them more efficient, right?
15:57:53 And also potentially more dangerous. Yeah, freight trains. So some of these free trains just go for miles and miles and then, you know, have 2 people working on and they're
trying, you know, they're having labor issues and everything.
15:58:05 And so you find efficiency if you can just. Move to much stuff with the same staff. Hmm. Yeah, I know Europe is going more and more to, barging.
15:58:17 Yeah. Because it's the most efficient. Then sleeping the best. My all the decisions now.
15:58:33 Like I do the chair. Oh my god.
15:58:41 Hmm. We are here in the morning. Okay, I don't either just be done and let no one way or the other if we're done.
15:58:55 I do.
15:59:02 Westenston, got one of the, Yeah, on the Gates and a half 1 million.
15:59:15 I don't know whether it's gonna succeed and Tracy's working it. We don't wanna be says for 10Â min and make them right back.
15:59:27 Hello the day there. Where's your banjo? I like to have a little update. Good news.
15:59:39 The, so I inquired about the, recording fees. Back film. So Curtis, you know, Stackers just kind of moved in the housing role.
15:59:53 So you may already be aware of the one time appropriations to backfill this funding that were included in the operating budget.
15:59:59 Provided last year. And that was increased to 34 million in the supplemental. Cameras has indicated that they intend to increase existing contracts using this funding, so it
won't be competitive.
16:00:12 We can pass on. To the 27 with this additional funding. So your county should automatically get an allocation.
16:00:19 There was an additional 21 million dollars provided for counties and cities to maintain current service levels. Numbers has indicated this this will also be allocated to existing
contracts.
16:00:30 Probably CHG. And. Right. They're getting ready to long on right now.
16:00:40 Okay.
16:00:43 It's fine. I'm early and Lori.
16:00:50 And They're gonna log on and do an Okay. Okay. Yeah, so Charles Boss first here.
16:01:14 Yes, I accept promotion to There he goes.
16:01:19 Hi, Charles. Thanks so much for joining us. We're just gonna wait for least one other person to join.
16:01:27 There we are. Hi.
16:01:27 Okay, who's the other person? Who's gonna join us, Okay. Yeah, we've been emailing.
16:01:33 Okay, I think Lori Mackay might be. Thank you.
16:01:40 Yeah.
16:01:39 Yeah. She's a, okay, sorry, Laura's over as well.
16:01:49 Here's Laurie.
16:01:50 Thanks for joining. We'll do, we'll do introductions when everybody gets here. Thanks for the last minute.
16:01:57 Jumping in.
16:01:58 Sure.
16:02:02 Let's see. Alright.
16:02:13 Great, so it looks like everyone is here. Hello, Charles and Laura. I'm Kate and one of the commissioners that chair of the board joined by Commissioner Greg Brotherton here
today and they are both.
16:02:27 Ev drivers and big fans and very interested in the contracts that we're looking at and didn't, we're, wanting some more information.
16:02:36 So, sounds like Tracy pulled you and thinking you might be able to, help us understand the some of the terms of the contract we're looking at here, but I'd love to have you
introduce yourselves and I better understand the roles that you're in.
16:02:50 Go ahead, Lori.
16:02:51 Okay, thanks Charlie. My name is Lori McKay. I am a principal at a consulting firm called Science Strategies and we have been working as an aggregator.
16:03:04 Working with EVCS and other. Providers. To pursue grants and we pursue this particular grant the zebra.
16:03:13 2 23 grant with EVCS. And a, a nonprofit out out of Oregon called fourth mobility and also energy northwest, out of eastern Washington.
16:03:27 I don't wanna complicate things, but. Yeah. And I come from a public service background, 2025 years, 14 years at King County and 10 years at the city of Kirkland and I will
stop there and pass it off to Charlie.
16:03:43 Hi, Charlie Blotsford. I'm also, I consult for, EV Charging Solutions, EVCS.
16:03:51 And we did work with both fourth mobility and energy northwest. On multiple contract and grant awards.
16:04:01 One of the grant awards was with Energy Northwest. Or that that was this one right stay run yeah so state route 20 West had 3 sites in it of which The Jefferson County site
was one of them.
16:04:19 The next site up is Anacortis and then over to Cedar Woolly.
16:04:25 That's those 3 sites. And that contract, State Route 20 West. State route 20 east goes all the way to Idaho.
16:04:32 And that's another 7 site. So those 2 contracts. Under Energy North West go all.
16:04:41 436 miles of state route 20 And Washdot is the. The contract grantor.
16:04:49 And they are really excited to have all of state route 20 because it's a northern corridor it's not very well populated with Chargers.
16:05:00 Anyway, so that's that's kind of the background and The Jefferson County site is the anchor on the west side of of those 2.
16:05:11 Or you know those 2 contracts.
16:05:14 And that's specifically the, portent's a community center one, correct?
16:05:19 Correct. Yeah. Yeah, we're also on a previous contract previous year contract. We're also building a site in Port Townsend, city of Port Townsend.
16:05:31 As the as the site host.
16:05:34 Great. Okay. So should begin to the questions we have. Yeah, so I can really glad that you guys were flexible enough to join us and we're really excited about this as well.
16:05:48 So it's, I hope don't take this as, you know, dimming excitement or anything.
16:05:50 Oh, no worries.
16:05:50 Okay. We're curious about, flexibility. You know, it's been pointed out that, I mean, I'll just, I'll rattle off a couple of the, I guess, concerns we've heard from the public
that I think we share.
16:06:07 Yep.
16:06:01 You know, one is reliability of, charging stations. It's a real, really annoying if you go to one and you have one functional station.
16:06:11 So curious, there's no guarantee and the in the contract what's like the downtime or what is the response process?
16:06:20 And so one question would be You know, how does that work? And also it's pretty silent on how much.
16:06:27 Evcs is going to charge and we're curious about, you know, you know, we want to maintain make this, piece of public infrastructure, not, you know, a profit center.
16:06:42 And, you know, we might not even take any profit, share revenue sharing for the county added that same desire.
16:06:45 So curious about the possibility of you know, what is the max that is there, is the contract flexible enough to have a maximum over the price of the power and then we were also
concerned about, you know, the 150 kilowatt charges versus the, you know, the current standard of 350 and even more the level 2 charger at 7 kilowatts, which is, you know, pretty slow
for
16:07:08 most even current vehicles to get. Sufficient charge. So just wondering, you know, is there any possibility for 2 3 fifties instead of, you know, one or 4 1 fiftys or anything
like that.
16:07:22 So.
16:07:25 Okay.
16:07:22 Let, let me take a whack at that. So As far as the. Uptime.
16:07:32 Goes. The wash dot contract has a 97% up time. We're. Working with them to define, well, what's that mean?
16:08:00 Okay.
16:07:42 But basically, 97% of time is one of those. Figures of merit that if you have 97% up time That's a lot better than some of the currently performing charging stations which are
60 50.
16:08:05 You know, and you'll see a lot of comments online, especially some of the And I probably shouldn't name names, but some of the other chargers out there that just especially
level 2 charges just are not performing well.
16:08:21 US DOT has
16:08:24 Issued a hundred 40 million dollars worth of grants to states the states haven't figured out how to.
16:08:32 Fund it yet or you know do anything with it yet but it's called a fix it contract or fix it money.
16:08:39 To fix all of those chargers out there. None of the EVCS chargers are on that list.
16:08:48 Just about everybody else's chargers are on that list, but none from EVCS.
16:08:52 So from a red reliability perspective. Really the thing that you should pay attention to. Is the requirement for a 97% up time from wash dot.
16:09:04 Okay.
16:09:03 That's in the contract with Washgot that we could get a copy of.
16:09:07 The contract actually the contract is between Energy Northwest and Washdot. And then our contract is is with energy.
16:09:16 Northwest and we've had this is not new. We also had the, 2022 contract.
16:09:23 Which we work both with fourth and energy northwest. I'm the previous year contract and We're still building charter.
16:09:33 We've built a lot of chargers, upgraded chargers and we're still finalizing that particular contract.
16:09:39 It you know, takes a while sometimes to build. Charging stations. We work with the utilities.
16:09:46 Puget Sound Energy a lot. Jefferson County PUD. So of that's that part.
16:09:55 As far as 350 kilowatt charges goes, we've, we've been stalled A 350 kilowatt charger at St. Peters.
16:10:05 We have plans to put one in it. Bainbridge Island and one at Mount Vernon, but I have to tell you that nobody really needs A 350 kilowatt charger for light duty.
16:10:19 And in fact, Yep. It's hard for me to imagine. Needing a 350 kilowatt charger ever.
16:10:29 For anything. I sit on several essay committees. I'm a member of . 32 71 which is megawatt charging standard So if you need to charge.
16:10:43 A semi like a 18 wheeler electric vehicle, 350 kilowatts isn't enough.
16:10:51 So you need megawatts for that. I'm also on the J. 3,400 committee.
16:10:58 Which is the next. The Tesla standard. And so I know all about that. So, 3 50 is kind of one of those.
16:11:07 If you've heard the term tweener.
16:11:10 It just doesn't fit very well. But a hundred 50 kilowatt. Is a great power level and in fact that's what the wash dot contract calls for.
16:11:23 We'll probably actually be installing 180 kilowatt charges not one fifties At least that's what I've heard.
16:11:30 That's what thanks.
16:11:30 Do you think the standards going to Jack's soon? I mean that's you know what we've heard as well.
16:11:36 I don't know. I mean, sorry. That's 1 of the
16:11:37 So how that works is. The J 3,400 committee issued The TIR, the technical information report in December.
16:11:48 The next step is to issue the recommended practices, which is RP. And we'll probably be doing that.
16:11:57 I'm guessing maybe in. June or July? And then what happens after that is, is it goes out to comment, people ruminate.
16:12:07 And maybe we'll ballot J. 3,400. Maybe by September, October. That's that's what people are looking at.
16:12:18 Once that's finalized and successfully balloted, the charter manufacturers will now have a standard that they can lock down their designs and start finalizing designs for chargers.
16:12:32 Manufacture those chargers and then market those chargers. That process typically takes one to 2 years.
16:12:39 But because of all the Hoopla and and I'm a great supporter by the way of why people have been doing this or why they want to go to to J.
16:12:51 3,400. I think. You may see chargers available. Bye mid, 2,025.
16:12:59 So basically a year from now. And that's what I hope. And If that's the case, then EVCS is philosophy.
16:13:09 Is to use native chargers. And minimize the use of adapters. So if you've and.
16:13:18 Just because you've got a new standard. Doesn't mean that all the old stuff is obsolete.
16:13:24 I mean, you've got a whole bunch of Nissan leaf drivers out there and Chevy Bolt drivers out there and they're gonna get You know, jump down your throat if you say, oh, well,
we don't need any of that stuff any longer.
16:13:38 Hmm.
16:13:41 Well, they'll jump down our roads. So, The the idea is to still maintain.
16:13:44 Some what's called Chatmoe connectors for the Nissan Leaf Drivers, some CCS one.
16:13:53 Connectors for the Chevy Bolt drivers and you know they'll basically keep the legacy drivers happy.
16:14:01 Without needing to have an adapter and then the bulk of The chargers probably going in in the future.
16:14:07 By like mid 25. With the J. 3,400 connectors so it's It's a transition period and that's what that's kind of the takeaway that you have to look at it from.
16:14:20 If we were to get the or fast chargers at our community center. You know, before that time before the J.
16:14:33 3,400 are. Standard or widely available. Would we just them be out of luck and not have that?
16:14:43 We would just have the CCS.
16:14:43 My guess is that That's about the timing that we're going to be doing this. It just takes time to put in charging stations right now.
16:14:55 Once we get site host agreements in place and then yours is a great example of the process of getting a site host agreement in place.
16:15:02 You get site host agreement in place, then you do site assessments, figure out. You know, lock down.
16:15:08 The design of the site. And that takes a while. Then you go. Work with the and maybe do some permitting, work with the utility, they have to do their design.
16:15:20 By the time all that happens. That's 6 months, 8 months. From now. So.
16:15:27 Actual construction probably won't happen until For any of the projects I'm guessing I mean, it's possible that we could get into some construction by the end of the year, but
but not real likely.
16:15:40 And then the last thing that we would need to do. Would be to set the chargers. On site, you do everything first.
16:15:48 Hmm.
16:15:48 And then you set the chargers. And by that time, We'll have had a lot of contact with the charger manufacturers saying, OK.
16:16:00 Okay.
16:15:58 Are you ready? Are you ready with the J. 3,400 connectors? Because that's what everybody wants to use.
16:16:05 It makes it much easier to maintain up time because As you may know, that Tesla Chargers?
16:16:13 Those that standard is robust. Those charters work. That's why all of the OEMs except for Stalantis through the Final holdup.
16:16:23 Everybody else is. Adopted death. That idea.
16:16:29 So that's what that's all about. There's also. You're asking about.
16:16:36 Pricing and and what we do with TV drivers we pretty much have One price that we that we charge EV drivers.
16:16:46 Some of the other people out there have a price during the day for you know when when the grid You know, basically a time of use rate and congestion rates and and other rates.
16:17:02 Evcs, I don't think has done much of that. They just have one rate.
16:17:06 And so, and that's. That's whether it's California or Oregon or Washington. It's it's kind of the same thing.
16:17:15 So we don't really differentiate that way. And it's a little bit easier for the EV drivers kind of to get that into their.
16:17:25 What does that mean? What is the rate?
16:17:23 Heads. Yes. Well, we compete from a competitive perspective. DC fast charging is Far and away the most expensive way that you can possibly think of.
16:17:40 To charge your car. Other than, I don't know, maybe a few. Were to go out and rent a diesel gensat or something.
16:17:48 But the cheapest way. And what we compete against is home charging. Far and away the cheapest, simplest, You know, you drive your car into your garage at night.
16:18:00 You go to bed in the morning your your car's charged and it's cheap That's what we compete against.
16:18:07 And so there's a great. Downward pressure. On us to make sure that we, you know, we don't.
16:18:16 Inflate our prices or do anything that way. So that's from the perspective of what you were asking as far as rates go, that's kind of our.
16:18:25 Our philosophy and and how we Sure, we would love to charge. $2 or $10 a kilowatt hour.
16:18:41 Okay.
16:18:34 But nobody would come to EVCS as charging stations if they did that. I think that's most of the questions there's there's probably some others that I missed and Laurie has her
hand up.
16:18:49 Great, but do we get to find out what the rate is?
16:18:52 Yeah, oh yeah, the standard rate is. That I remember seeing and and I'm not involved on that side of things too much but I think it's like 49 cents a kilowatt hour.
16:19:03 Others out there like 44 cents a kilowatt hour. Now that's the Dandered if you drive up rate.
16:19:11 But a lot of people don't do that. If you drive a lot, EVCS has a subscription rate.
16:19:18 And they've got 3 different subscription rates depending on how much you drive. So if you drive a whole lot than it pays to get.
16:19:26 Basically, in all you can eat rate. And then if you don't drive quite as much, then there's a different rate that you can.
16:19:34 Anyway, so subscription. Seems to work really well for drivers who drive a lot. So I don't know, hopefully.
16:19:44 Oh, and that's for DC fast charging. I think Level 2 charging is 29 cents a kilowatt hour.
16:19:51 It's a little less.
16:19:52 Okay. And even though we have a pretty low, public utility, our, the rates. And just train her number.
16:20:05 It's 12 cents a kilowatt hour or something. It's still the same like, you know, we've relatively low energy cost, but your rate stays the same regardless.
16:20:13 Hello, energy costs. What happens? And I don't remember Jefferson County PD being having this problem, but some utilities do.
16:20:23 Especially the IOUs, they charge demand charges. And so just because you have. A low electricity cost.
16:20:31 You can experience high demand charges. And so I think EVCS is. Bulk Expense.
16:20:44 This summer in the thirties. 30 cents per kilowatt hour for what they pay for electricity. If you take taxes.
16:20:49 No.
16:20:51 Electricity, demand charges. Across all of the states that's that's what it ends and EVCS is only in Oregon Washington and California.
16:21:02 Yeah, we don't have, demand charges here. Okay.
16:21:09 Hmm.
16:21:06 Yeah, I think PSE does and we've got 10 or 12. Sights under PSE.
16:21:15 Yeah. Yeah, sorry.
16:21:22 It's okay. I just, you know, I just wanted to stress what Charlie said.
16:21:27 About the charging stations and you know as and the timeline of the next standard protocols You know, as we go down this road, assuming we have a side host agreement with carry
on, by the time we get to installation.
16:21:47 You know, the EVCS strategy like Charlie said is to to comply with and and meet the next standard and they're working with Charlie's working with wash dot and washed out will
be on EV Cs's case but also EVCS is really conscientious about those legacy drivers and I will say last October when I was maybe it was 2 octopus when I was up at
16:22:13 the chamber site in port towns and when they sort of did a ribbon cutting for the city's site that will be installed there.
16:22:33 Yeah.
16:22:24 They did a an expo ed expo and the number of Nissan leaves that drove into that parking lot the number of links that are driving around Jefferson County, you really want to
make sure that you're not leaving people behind and that's, that's, a really critical, piece that EVCS is super conscientious of as we move forward.
16:22:47 I've been a proponent. Of leaf drivers. I have a soft spot in my heart.
16:22:53 I was one of the Primary architects for the West Coast Electric Highway back in the 2,010 timeframe.
16:22:59 And I was with Errovironment and an air environment had a large contract with Nissan.
16:23:05 And it was. It was heartening because Nissan was the the first. They were the ones that that really started this whole thing.
16:23:16 Well, I unless you count General Motors back in the 1990, s and I was with the environment back then when we developed the EV one for General Motors.
16:23:26 Yeah.
16:23:25 So. I've been around this for what a while, but. But all the way from 2,011 and 12 when we first started installing these chargers in Oregon and Washington, it was a Nissan
Leaf Drivers.
16:23:41 That really made this this whole community work. And so I've since that time I've. I've been really, I kind of grip my teeth when I hear people say, oh well, nobody needs these
Chatamo chargers anymore.
16:23:58 It's like.
16:23:59 You've got 2 users. The 3 commissioners, we have 2 leaves, 3 bolts and one Tesla.
16:24:10 Well, you know what I'm talking about.
16:24:07 So, still our 2,015, leave for sure. Yeah, my daughter too. Yeah. One, one question I had.
16:24:17 And we do have to wrap up at 4 30 when our court has closes. We have to adjourn by then.
16:24:20 Sure.
16:24:22 The, the 7.6 kilowatt, level. That just, so slow.
16:24:25 Oh, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I can talk to that. So, Well, sure, but not really.
16:24:39 Yeah.
16:24:33 So level 2. The stat industry standard is a 32 app charger. And which is 32 apps at 2 40 volts is 7.7 kilowatts.
16:24:45 It requires a 40 app breaker. That's industry standard. Sure you could put in. Of an 80 amp.
16:24:57 Level 2 charger for Tesla vehicles. But you have to ask yourself why you would do that.
16:25:03 When the whole point of a charging site is for DC fast charging. Wait, a lot of Yeah, EVIGO and ELECTRAPI America.
16:25:12 Those guys don't even put level 2 chargers at sites. We put them in. Basically for plug in hybrid drivers.
16:25:22 We have also a 1 20 volt outlet. In case somebody pulls up in a in a wheelchair.
16:25:29 Hmm. Bye.
16:25:31 Or email.
16:25:30 For an electric scooter. So or bike so the the idea is that that our sites at the.
16:25:38 Charging solution sites, it's to. Be a 1 stop. Shop for all. Everything electric and not have to use an adapter.
16:25:49 Now, you're gonna have to use adapters in some occasions. It's just you really want to minimize the use of adapters.
16:25:58 But anyway, that's a separate discussion from the level 2. I really think, you know, a 32 amp level 2 is fine and it's You know, if you have it.
16:26:11 And somebody's charging level 2 that just gives them a little bit more time to go shopping.
16:26:17 But I mean, so, you know, we're on the end of a peninsula on the end of a peninsula.
16:26:22 Like we are, this is a place with both a lot of tourism and people who use Port Townsend as a, destination for Aaron's, but often have a long way to drive.
16:26:33 Yeah.
16:26:35 If we had room in the panel for that, Okay. Circuit could we increase the speed of that level 2?
16:26:45 Sure or or You know. They make 50 amp breakers so it's a 40 amp level 2 that would probably get up to like 9.6 kilowatts you could do that and I could see what If PVCS has something
like that.
16:27:10 Okay.
16:27:05 Available. Is it really doesn't add much to the to the to the switch gear.
16:27:14 Whether it's a 40 amp breaker or 50 amp breaker to go from But again, that's just kinda.
16:27:22 You know, the other thing that you look at is when a technician goes out to a site, he's used to seeing all these level two's that are the same power level and the same manufacturer
and all of that too.
16:27:33 Yeah.
16:27:33 So I, I can ask, operations, they, how they want to do that.
16:27:42 My tendency would be to just You know, leave it at the 32 app. 7, 7.7 kilowatt charger.
16:27:53 Yeah, I just found it very, I'll confess I didn't know when I first got my bolt that it took the CCS charger.
16:28:04 Yeah.
16:28:08 Yeah.
16:28:04 So I was just using level 2 charges and, and like would just spend hours and hours at those 7, o'clock chargers and it like.
16:28:13 Oh, it's it's it's
16:28:12 You know I mean I realized that was user error and of course technology changing but Okay.
16:28:17 It's even worse if you're trying to charge over night at home. And all you've got is a 1 20 volt plug.
16:28:23 Oh yeah, I've been there.
16:28:27 Right.
16:28:23 Plenty of Nissan leaf drivers who tried to do that. And then they finally bit the bullet and they got a level 2 charger and they were fine because they You know, only drive
30 or 40 miles a day.
16:28:39 Right, anything? Super helpful. You know, I'm not sure if it's important to get it done today.
16:28:45 We've got our other commissioner that we can go over these answers with next Monday. Is there, I mean, is it going to impact it if we wait a week, but you've answered all my
questions.
16:28:54 You know, I think that it is in the commission's best interest to do this right not fast.
16:29:04 So, Charlie and I will get some written responses to Tracy and by all means, I mean, I think that if it's It seems to me like the most comfortable thing to do is to get your
questions answered and I'm come back next week.
16:29:21 Yeah, a week is fine. That's not a problem.
16:29:25 Yeah, and I don't think we need to reschedule you guys, right? Do you?
16:29:34 Yeah, yeah, we don't. Don't need it. So yes, you obviously have, loyal fans here.
16:29:40 Yeah.
16:29:41 Yeah, we're really excited. We're just, you know, it's the first one that's come across our desk.
16:29:47 So we just wanna make sure that we set we get off on the right foot is really what we're trying to do.
16:29:51 It's, as Laurie said, it's, it's always good to do it right as opposed to fast.
16:29:57 Alright.
16:29:57 Yeah, and there are great models for really. Robust rural charging infrastructure that I've seen and I have.
16:30:05 Tried and been many many places in EVO, and it's a lot of places where it's not working well.
16:30:11 Yep. Exactly.
16:30:11 And so we want to get it right. This community. Yeah. Alright, thank you so much.
16:30:18 Thanks.
16:30:20 I just wanted to tell Lori and Charles, thank you so much for joining us this afternoon. And taking your time because I know it was the last minute and frantic.
16:30:30 Thank you.
16:30:29 I'm like, please, please can you sign on and answer some questions? So I just wanted to tell you thank you for being so responsive and helping us out here in the county.
16:30:38 No worries.
16:30:38 Thank you.
16:30:38 You're welcome. We're excited to work with all of you.
16:30:41 Yep.
16:30:42 Great to meet you. Thanks so much.
16:30:45 Bye.
16:30:45 Thanks. Bye.
16:30:46 Bye. I just learned a lot. Alright, so maybe we can just see that on consent again next week. Great.
16:30:58 Thank you. Okay, anything else for the good of the order? If not, then we are adjourned.
16:31:05 Good week, everyone. Alright, have a good week. Yeah.
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