HomeMy WebLinkAboutclosed_caption14:31:54 Here, hello. Hello? Okay, I'll start. I'll start baby capture and zoom here.
14:32:02 Okay, hello Julia. Hello Vicky. Hello Peggy.
14:32:09 Oh, he's actually hoping to catch up with you in person, Greg, and ask you about that.
14:32:15 Car situation, van situation, whatever it is.
14:32:19 Yeah, sorry, I might Wednesdays are tough for me now. I have to go to school in Tacoma at night.
14:32:24 So that's online but I'll give you a call after the meeting and I can talk about what's happened you know I understand the path forward.
14:32:30 Okay, cool.
14:32:33 There's not a lot I can do to accelerate it, but I think, you know, Jefferson Associated Council is the as you can speed it up the most I think.
14:32:43 And we're recording Greg.
14:32:46 Great, well we do have a quorum. So I will call this meeting of the housing fund board to order.
14:32:53 Thanks for being here today. We have no action. I don't think on the agenda we do we should add a public comment so Unless there's any objection, I'll add a public comment after
the call to order.
14:33:07 So. We will get there right now. I don't know. I see.
14:33:12 I don't see any public in the chambers, but anyone online that would like make public comment, you can hit star 9 if you're on the phone or the raise hand button.
14:33:23 Yeah, there's one member of the public in the audience and I'm bringing over Amy Howard now.
14:33:27 Okay, great.
14:33:29 If Barbara Mori wishes to speak, she'll have to hit raise hand.
14:33:35 Hi Barbara.
14:33:35 Okay, one more call for public comments.
14:33:40 And saying that I will close public comment. Alright, well we have a couple discussion items, some good information that's, the 5 year plan and some sort of I think Peggy, you're
the one that brought the sustainable housing document for it.
14:33:55 I hope people had a chance to look through that, but I think we have a time to dig into it, but we'll pass it over to you to tee this up and how would you like the conversation
to go, Peggy?
14:34:04 Oh, okay. Thank you. Starting there.
14:34:08 Hmm.
14:34:08 Well, the, genesis of this was actually going way back to that first, that, that team meeting I held with the group and we talked about the strengths, weaknesses, opportunities,
threats and the, one of the things that folks really focused on was the, perceived, adverse.
14:34:33 Relationship between the environmental and housing that that there was a kind of a . Relationship there and I I have been attending the local 2020 climate action group meetings
and I brought it up and I said Can you guys come up with a set of guidelines for housing that you feel?
14:34:54 Will respect the environmental concerns but also allow housing to be built. And this is what what came of that.
14:35:05 And so I was tasked to share it with other folks as many as possible. To get reaction. Whatever and it's clearly meant not to be prescriptive and not to be you know, black and
white, you gotta do this and you can't do that, but rather here's here's how you can develop and.
14:35:23 In a way that respects the environment. So in particular, you know, we have lots of issues around trees.
14:35:29 And developments cutting down trees. And so that was. I felt that was a good, a good statement.
14:35:38 So anyway, that's what it is. If anyone has comments or. Other people we think we should share it with.
14:35:43 Happy, happy to do that.
14:35:45 Hmm.
14:35:46 Thanks, Peggy. Questions, comments? We'll have a chance to review it.
14:35:52 I do. I'm sorry. I missed out. Oh yeah, I don't need to.
14:35:58 I am right now. It's was attached to Carolyn's, invite.
14:36:01 Deleted it. I do have a comment because future wise is lobbying very heavily to defeat.
14:36:16 A bill that's in the current legislation that has just this issue at its core. Where they say, 80 use in rural counties are.
14:36:31 Indicator sprawl. And there they've been posed to it for 2 years.
14:36:39 It's a very, they're treating it very like a very black and white issue. And I kind of been sending them back and saying, well, this is a lot more complex, you know, back and
saying, well, this is a lot more complex.
14:36:55 You know, it's not an, the desire for sprawl that's pushing people out into the county.
14:36:56 I mean, I mean, the, world's zones. So. And you know, there's a very one size fits all kind of approach to it.
14:37:08 So, so the thought is if you have A to use, then people will move here. No, oh, yes, it's just that 80 user bad because it increases density in rural lands and we're protecting
those rural lands.
14:37:26 So.
14:37:26 Yeah, Kate's been following this legislation. You wanna add, talk about the legislation itself.
14:37:26 Yeah. Yeah, Yeah, and I'm sorry, I don't have my, my legislative stuff in front of me right now so I don't have the bill number handy maybe you have it off hand Vicky but you
know what was future wise says and I've been testifying on the opposite side of this bill for I think like 3 or 4 sessions.
14:37:49 In different forms, but they, you know, they just basically say if if you allow an A to you, you're allowing twice as much population to live in unincorporated rural lands as
is the assumption in allocations of.
14:38:06 Of residential. So and then you know people who might want to do a double ADU you're tripling the population and also then you know need for services and transportation and
all that goes with that.
14:38:21 So it's It's a, you know, I think a logical, a rational argument on their part, but it it leaves out, you know, a lot of kind of workforce issues and multi-generational and
affordability issues and you know.
14:38:35 So
14:38:36 But again, they are. Supposing that people will move here to live in an ADU. Okay.
14:38:47 Versus, I mean, you know, they would like to see them in.
14:38:53 Yeah.
14:38:49 I can't move here. Otherwise, then they can't move here. Because what they're saying is that and it's also kind of the relief valve for changing density in cities.
14:39:05 So they're very much for pro-density keeping the growth management act intact. And you know, one can understand that because there is.
14:39:16 You know, public perception. For people who are hard up in housing that the Growth Management Act is.
14:39:28 You know, suppressing the housing. You know, so yeah, like I said, I think it's a really complex issue.
14:39:38 And when you take this either or in this my understanding is the county allows a to use anyway so
14:39:51 Okay.
14:39:46 Where the only county that has an affirmative right to an ADU and all rural residential lands. So We definitely don't, we're like, we've been very conscious about not monking
with it too much to make sure that we don't get challenged by someone that does see that as sprawl.
14:40:02 So. I hope it passes. I think something else that's worth noting on this too and Kate, you maybe can.
14:40:07 Elaborate and I heard that the the new state on site septic code makes 80 use so they can be have a subject capacity for a one-bedroom instead of the current code, which is
a 2 bedroom.
14:40:23 Septic and I think that there is opportunity here in Jefferson County we you know we can be be less restrictive then no, we can be more restricted, but we can't be less restricted
than the state, of course.
14:40:40 But right now, we're still more restrictive, I believe, on AD used and the need for septic capacity than the state is.
14:40:46 So that maybe something to consider and you know, make a recommendation to our Board of Health if we want to allow those A to use.
14:40:52 To be treated as one bedroom houses.
14:40:56 Hmm.
14:40:55 So. Just to wrap up, I would, just say that, when we go to do the next RFP, maybe we can just attach them as informational.
14:41:09 To the applicants.
14:41:09 Yeah, we haven't made a lot of comments on your on this paper. Yes, sorry. We got off on 80 use, which is always fascinating.
14:41:14 Yeah, wherever.
14:41:16 I had a couple notes though, Pecky. One about the trees, you know, we're doing, with a lot of stakeholders, our community wildfire protection plan.
14:41:25 And a lot of that has a very different thesis about trees, especially, you know, and hardening houses and making sure that you have 30 feet from any dwelling.
14:41:35 For trees. So I think, and there's also a few other issues that that the international building code whenever we adopt the new international building code, I think it really
has a a predominance towards, fossil free, fuels in the house.
14:41:55 So I think there's opportunity to run this by, you know, BCD and the run it through the community wildfire protection plan.
14:41:59 Draft and get some. You know both justification, you know references to support these you know for the fossil free and also some of the rules that are going to be mandated that
have a lot of these things too in the new building code and just sort of truth it out a little bit so I think it's great I think we should just keep this as a living document and keep
Working on it, that's
14:42:22 Bye.
14:42:24 great. Right with you, I'd be happy to take it to DCD and. Yeah, push it.
14:42:26 Okay, I did give it to Brent Butler, but, if there's enough, I can do it too if you want, or you can do it.
14:42:36 Just send it to whoever. Just let me know.
14:42:36 I'm happy to do it. I would say like Phil's this year, the building official to look at, you know, in reference to the new codes that are coming out sometime, you know, probably
not in June.
14:42:43 Okay, that's great. Yeah, we want it to be. Kind of fit.
14:42:50 Right. And of course we have city city and County too. So this kind of I'm not sure if the same recommendations would apply in both places, right?
14:43:03 Maybe we could in here make in the city, you know. Build middle housing? I don't know.
14:43:08 Make a future wise friendly. Recommendation. Yes, Kate.
14:43:13 Just wanna make sure Carolyn saw that A's in the attendee room. And also.
14:43:18 Okay.
14:43:21 You know, there's if. If our purview is largely affordable housing in this group, I think.
14:43:28 Just about every funding source and I would look to many of you in the room. Requires, the Washington state, energy and forgetting the name of the new standard for any publicly
funded affordable housing.
14:43:44 Thanks. Yeah, that doesn't address trees, but yeah, it does.
14:43:53 Yeah, so I think a lot of, a lot of that work is, represented.
14:43:58 Well, represented in requirements linked to funding sources. I mean, I appreciate having this. I mean, I think that I think that More of the challenge we will run into is is
Kind of classic, an embiism, right?
14:44:19 Like it's great to put down on paper that you know what we all want to see in these projects but if so often the environmental rules are kind of weaponized when a project is
proposed in a certain area on that site-specific analysis or case by case basis.
14:44:34 So, You know, I almost wish there was some way we could like. You know, if these criteria are met, then will neighbors agree to, you know, not protest and fast track these projects,
but I know that that's silly UN-American talk.
14:44:53 Yeah.
14:44:53 Some sort of neighborhood coming. I like that idea. I think I think that's a great idea to you know go talk to your neighbors first and yeah I like it.
14:45:03 So, I will send a comment back. Because I think we in. Coupled to density is smaller units.
14:45:15 And smaller units are the most energy efficient way to go. And it has some other environmental benefits as well So, you know, in terms of embedded energy.
14:45:29 Yes, smaller is better, yes, for all kinds of reasons. So simple lifestyles, etc.
14:45:38 And I think that's an important thing. I don't know if this is an appropriate time to mention that community build is very close to completing its first.
14:45:55 Tiny house on wheels. That is permitted by the state, Illinois. So it can be place where.
14:46:03 Excellent.
14:46:05 I think it's gonna be placed out in the county. It's gonna sell for 38,000.
14:46:12 Which is a huge win. And they're setting up production to, develop one per year.
14:46:23 I mean one per month. So, One per month, so they'll have it'll be the same model over and over again, but, it's significant.
14:46:35 That is.
14:46:36 That's great news, sustainable and transportable.
14:46:41 Yeah. Okay, so they'll be
14:46:42 Yeah, thanks. Go ahead, Amy.
14:46:48 Okay, thank you. Thank you for the comments.
14:46:52 Alright, and we'll just keep Keep you know punching at the sustainable housing document. I love Kate's idea about making it some sort of contract you could, you know.
14:47:02 Head off objections at the past by saying you know these are the goals and he's skeptical of it's a utility.
14:47:09 Wishful thinking.
14:47:11 Okay.
14:47:09 All right, well, you know, you got a truck. Yeah. One neighbor at a time, some, some, some neighborhoods would appreciate it.
14:47:16 One neighbor at a time.
14:47:16 I don't know. Yep. Great. Okay, if there's nothing else on sustainable housing in general, we will go on to the, the work that.
14:47:29 Vicky and Aslin have been doing the housing project verification. Vicky, you wanna, you wanna tee this up?
14:47:37 Sure. So this I put together a, table that is what I call the housing stock inventory.
14:47:53 From that's the best available. So it increased it includes a lot more information than we previously had noted, but it has been doubled checked against.
14:48:05 State and federal databases. And from that, we've been able to kind of tell how fast our development is going.
14:48:17 So I've compiled that into sort of a verbal narrative. Which I can speak to here.
14:48:28 I would say that as regards to that housing stock inventory table, it was not meant to go in the in the annual report.
14:48:40 It, but it is, it does provide a base for us so that we can track over the years.
14:48:47 Where we're going. And it also be used for planning purposes. Some of these numbers are significant because they figure into the How?
14:49:06 The action plan projections, also known as the HAP tool. But, I think it's worth reviewing these significant.
14:49:17 Pieces here is like in the past 4 years we've more than doubled the number of emergency and transitional bads.
14:49:26 So we're up to 2 57. We got started this this past year.
14:49:34 Actually, yes, in 2023, I'm adding more permanent supportive housing. And not just permanent support of housing targeted to special population.
14:49:48 And I'll speak to that in a second.
14:49:50 Let's hold on, what's like, do you have a question or account you want to get in here?
14:49:53 Yeah. So first of all, I just wanna say this is Vicki's work, not mine.
14:50:02 Just fine.
14:49:59 And then thank you, Vicki. I mean that in a positive way. I still want to take credit for what you've been doing.
14:50:06 And so I, I am still happy to lay it out pretty. I've started doing that but I wanted us to one of my big questions was the big table, the projects table.
14:50:22 No. Sorry.
14:50:22 I was not planning to put that into the. Okay, great. So that's what I wanted to definitely clarify.
14:50:27 And then so far, so I mean, there's tons of good information. So right now, everything that's in the Word document is going into the layout.
14:50:36 And so I just wanted, as we're talking about this, if there's anything in any of these bullet points that people want different into the pretty one, say that right now because
I will make those changes and put it right in.
14:50:49 Great. And we're also, I think we're looking at the Excel spreadsheet right the second, aren't we?
14:50:58 Oh, okay. Okay, sorry. I'm in the wrong place. Thank you.
14:51:02 Okay, thank you.
14:50:54 I'm actually speaking from the, Word document. S. Which included a company table.
14:51:02 Okay. Cool.
14:51:05 And but right now I'm just speaking full of points in the data summary. Yeah, I would like to see something in the emerging.
14:51:17 Trends or whatever emerging issues section that we really focus on. The lack of funding sources for operating funds for existing units.
14:51:32 Dove House, the Legion, Caswell, you know, all of these, all the transitional.
14:51:40 With the drying up of the real estate market. We don't have a funding source and we've gotta get the state or someone to, really, Think of a better solution that's that's not.
14:52:00 Right.
14:51:56 Dependent on the vagaries of the real estate market. You know, we need a constant consistent source for operating funds for existing units.
14:52:06 Yeah, I did note the rapid expansion of the housing has not been matched by an increase in operational funding, but you said it in greater detail.
14:52:19 This is just information that came out of the data and needs the assessment committee. I did not try to be comprehensive to everybody's and I really think we should check in
with the the, what's it called?
14:52:42 CEAB, I've sorry. Co, coordinated entry, provide some input as well.
14:52:52 Yeah.
14:52:48 I meet with them, Monday. Well, that would be perfect. Asking.
14:52:59 So maybe you can share this with them and then they can see. I think one of the things I just want to say about permanent support of housing, almost all the development, the
plan development is going into permanent support of housing.
14:53:10 And I think this is really significant because one we need. And these people are gonna be placed, but a lot of these people that will be placed will be people who are in the
emergency system now and have been there.
14:53:27 A long, long time. Right. And with that shift. We should see a drop.
14:53:36 And you know the number of days per person. And you know the length of time and stay, which is one of the key metrics.
14:53:46 And the length of time and stay. Has is really a underlying factor. In the high projections for.
14:53:58 For. Emergency buds, which is over 750 if you take the medium.
14:54:10 And also for other things as well. So it could really if we could reduce our emergency. I will be the first to admit though that one of the, you know, the key factor is a lack
of affordable housing.
14:54:24 Not emergency housing, it's the lack of affordable housing. So, you know, I think that would it be more sensible?
14:54:35 To put your resources to the permanent support of. So that you don't have to put as much resource to emergency because people can move out.
14:54:44 And move on and then there's space here for others to come in. So that Yeah.
14:54:48 We'll find out, right? Okay, Kate said her hand up for a second. Let's do you have a question or a comment?
14:54:54 Well, I mean, that it's a good conversation. I hate to interrupt it, especially because what I have to interrupt with is a little bit petty, but I will just say that it's really
great to have this data in a visual form and you know, some good news, more units, some bad news, the days in homelessness.
14:55:14 Just one, little edit, which I think is when you put out a call for is, The, the data is cited as DOC and just in the, in the state world, that's Department of Corrections.
14:55:29 And we don't want to cite that commerce as COM if you want to use the 3 states 3 line.
14:55:33 Okay.
14:55:38 Okay.
14:55:35 It might be good to just call out Department of Commerce and not have it look like we are that mostly tied to the state prison system.
14:55:40 Okay, thanks Kate. It's a good note.
14:55:48 Yes.
14:55:44 Yeah, we can start counting those beds. It details a lot of the. The individual accomplishments of the service housing providers.
14:56:00 So, And.
14:56:05 Anyway, so I think we have good news and we have some. And I think we have some answers about what we need to.
14:56:16 Address. Yeah.
14:56:18 I think it's great and I think to your point too Vicky I would love to track.
14:56:22 Just as you say, what is the impact of these as these new permanent supportive housing units come up?
14:56:30 What is the impact? Is there direct? Causation, correlation to the, to the length of stay in the emergency shelter.
14:56:38 So I'd love to. Emphasize that as we move forward and and measure it.
14:56:41 So one of the things that is driving our core numbers, I think, is I don't I don't not think that length of stay.
14:56:55 Is actually as bad as it says because only about half of the actual people in. Emergency shelters are still being showing up in.
14:57:11 The the metrics. They are being entered, but there's been, there's a lot of work to do to put all those data that goes through this system of HMIS and gets verified.
14:57:28 And the right project. So right now, for example, in the numbers I have in this report, none of Bay Science data shows up.
14:57:39 And actually, none of, does either. So what we're looking at is the really the shelter population of the, really the shelter population, the congregate smelter population has
heavily impacted.
14:57:59 What the numbers and, it was like, based on the 16 people in. No, there's more than that, but it's about. The population is an emergency and transitional. Okay.
14:58:15 So this is one of the things that I hope we get. The population is an emergency and transitional.
14:58:22 Okay, so this is one of the things that I hope we get some more clarification on when we have our workshop which has been Postponed for 2 weeks.
14:58:29 And if we have to address that today, I think Carolyn raised the issue that we may have to approve it again.
14:58:33 If we want more.
14:58:33 We don't we don't have to approve it. I'll just I'll just you know we'll send a note out and see who's able to go and I can call a special meeting, you know, that week.
14:58:43 So.
14:58:43 Yeah, that's what I meant. I mean, the share advice here would have to call a special meeting.
14:59:01 So, what, when it's a postpone too? So, the new meeting is on the second Friday at 9 30 and I am looking for a place to hold it because only cap is not available that.
14:59:06 So people have. A place where we can see a reasonable number of people. Maybe 10 to 15. So this is when.
14:59:18 Be available online too. It is the second Friday, February ninth. So it will be February ninth. Yes.
14:59:29 9 30. I don't know. It's, allowed, but I can offer QUEUE.
14:59:41 I can try anyway. We have.
14:59:43 Don't offer it until you figure out how it's allowed.
14:59:44 Yeah. I was just gonna say I think we could probably do it at the fort.
14:59:51 Okay, and we need, yeah, possible. A zoom hybrid meeting Can we do that? Yeah.
15:00:01 Yeah.
15:00:03 Excellent.
15:00:03 I can also provide the link and then I'll have to provide the technical. Step on there, but maybe I can work with you, Aslin on that securing that.
15:00:11 Yep.
15:00:12 Thank you.
15:00:16 Yeah.
15:00:16 It is.
15:00:13 And I think that is something that is allowed to offer.
15:00:18 Well, I just didn't know a secular body like this compete in a religious institution. That was sort of why I said I.
15:00:25 Oh.
15:00:27 Appropriate because of separation church and state, right?
15:00:30 Okay.
15:00:30 Gotcha. Yeah. Well, let's just do it at the forward. Then we don't have to even consider that question right now.
15:00:33 Okay.
15:00:35 Right. Well, I don't have a preference. It might be nice if we had tables and stuff like that and kind of a workshop.
15:00:44 Yeah. How much and technology I think.
15:00:51 Sounds good. Okay.
15:00:52 Cool.
15:00:52 So how shall we decide? Should we get back to Carolyn on offers? I'll work with Aslin and the chair on getting that agenda out and meeting location.
15:01:05 Thank you.
15:01:06 Great. Looking forward to it. I'm, I'm gonna definitely try to be there.
15:01:10 You too.
15:01:09 Do we still have time to get back to you on the narrative part because I have to admit. Freeze through it way too fast.
15:01:17 Okay, yeah, sure.
15:01:21 I'm
15:01:21 Yeah, I don't have no yet, but I've all looked through it again. And I think taking it to the coordinated entry advisory board tomorrow whenever that's meeting as well is really
critical.
15:01:32 Okay, so I just want to end by saying that Peggy and I reviewed the large.
15:01:43 Spreadsheet with housing inventory stock. And, we decided in future we will separate out the senior affordable housing from just the subsidized affordable housing.
15:02:00 So people have a clearer picture what's really available. And seniors and the other thing is, you know, the planning numbers are what people I know.
15:02:18 I mean, people have different opinions on it. What I'm, I put in was kind of what I took people's intent.
15:02:24 As the basis and of course those fluctuated according to the funding sources, they range from it's a dream to they're under construction.
15:02:36 So, and you just gotta be aware of that. And there is a thing to know. You know, planning and we're, we're talking about adding some.
15:02:46 Some more data, some more columns or to. You know, give us a better picture because that'll be important as we go into our five-year plan.
15:02:57 So it does, but it does feel like it's a pretty solid base to start from or 5.
15:03:06 Great. Now it looks really good. I appreciate all the work.
15:03:11 Yeah.
15:03:10 Howard and Hastings is not. That's Phoenix edition. So yeah.
15:03:16 I see Kate has her hand up. Do you have something to add Kate?
15:03:22 Okay.
15:03:24 She turned off a camera and you're muted Kate. Oh, there you go.
15:03:25 Oh, sorry, I got dropped for a second there. This spreadsheet is helpful and one.
15:03:34 I'm mostly telling you all this so that it's not only living in my head and something I want to track.
15:03:42 We are considering and I think that the city did this. This year, but sometimes when we have big tasks on the plate of community development.
15:03:54 We will not allow not take on zoning changes. Which are annual amendments to our comprehensive plans and I want to be sure that we're not inadvertently.
15:04:07 Blocking any land use changes that any of these projects need. So just. Like I said, be great if other folks could kind of be thinking about this too and maybe even add a column
to like think about if there are land use changes needed, when would that be for these projects to move forward?
15:04:26 So. Thank you for letting me unload that.
15:04:27 Hmm. Well, and K.
15:04:29 As an example, Woodley Place had applied for a site specific. Zoning change to allow the permanent support of housing.
15:04:37 That one was denied because already this well. Did I and already the scope of work with, you know, going through the UGA and everything and turning that on will unlock that
zoning.
15:04:50 Already so it doesn't mean that It can't happen, but those site specific projects are what Kate's talking about.
15:04:57 If you like, you need to go through a rezone that might I think the city for 24 and the county is talking about doing it for 25 but not for 24 but the site specific applications
for the county have to be end by March first.
15:05:09 So they do.
15:05:09 And just to make you feel better, Kate, the habitat Mace Street project, the county has gone bent over backwards to work with the architects and engineers.
15:05:23 To deal with this code possibility. So. They've been tremendous.
15:05:29 Oh, good. And one of the options that I brought up with our planning director is, you know, we could take on.
15:05:37 Oh, only agree to take on any site specific rezones that are for affordable housing projects. So that that is a possibility.
15:05:51 Okay, thanks for that Kate. Let's see, so. We've kind of I think been talking both the project verification and the annual report data.
15:06:03 Anything else people want to talk about? I guess we'll talk about we are the 5 year plan board, but maybe we can go.
15:06:10 Can we talk a little bit about? The Timeline for the 5 year. Plan and what What are we as all as I know that, and Vicky have really been leading this, but what should we be
doing?
15:06:24 And, when should we do it?
15:06:29 I think we should make a Hey. Goal to finish before we get into the next RFD cycle.
15:06:39 So we don't have an overlap too much. I mean, we can do the finishing details, maybe in parallel, but let's try to do.
15:06:51 Whatever work it is before we get to October, say for sure because it could lead you to possibly set some priorities.
15:07:01 May RP. Maybe.
15:07:03 We're still talking about doing 22 and 23. Both years this year, right?
15:07:10 Yes, and so this is our fourth year. And. 24 is our fifth year.
15:07:18 And so if we say, well, you should be. You should be shooting for those in the 5 year plan.
15:07:31 We should know they should be able to try to put that out.
15:07:40 Hmm.
15:07:39 Yeah, do the kind of the work for changing the 5 year plan this year? Is that what you're saying?
15:07:46 Priorities because yeah, we got the big one next year. And I saw you unmuted. Do you have something to add?
15:07:51 Yeah, I just, I. Agree that this now is when we have to start the new plan.
15:08:02 And so I think we need to, Perhaps use our community conversations committee to. Pull together.
15:08:13 Some sessions on what that what we want that to look like. Over and we would wanna get those set up kind of in the next 3 months.
15:08:26 Yeah. I think that sounds great. And yeah, getting feedback. Earlier this is the perfect time to be back so I agree.
15:08:33 Early. Yeah, exactly.
15:08:36 That down for that. Okay, so that's kind of our work plan really for the next couple months is getting getting going on this, you know, getting the data of course for 2223 and.
15:08:48 And provoking more. Exotic looks from Amy. Did you have a different thought, Amy?
15:08:56 Okay. No, I was just finished chasing the thought of, the community conversations and having those folks and how do we really, really indicate to people that this is.
15:09:08 Their plan. Cause we aren't doing that work. We can collate the plan, but. There's been some.
15:09:17 Concernation in the past about following it because it's. You can. It's not, it's the communities plan.
15:09:26 Well, I think to Aslin's point, maybe the community conversations committee can come up with a framework that we're going to use to get that feedback, feedback and make sure
that it's.
15:09:36 You know, upfront so that the plan does resonate with people. As their
15:09:39 That's been done in the past where the community has been, you know, coalesced around that and really given lots of feedback, you know, coalesced around that and really given
lots of feedback, you know, committees of 25 people, you know, committees of 25 people, etc.
15:09:50 But then after that breaks up.
15:09:53 And it goes out to each of its individual agencies. How do we continue? Not check in on a more regular basis.
15:10:02 More community competitions, that's how.
15:10:03 Okay. Yeah, Our strategic action plan, strategic plan for the county this year has some metrics that we figured out that, you know, we're kind of already in the normal work,
you know, in the same way that we collect this data for our annual 5 year plan building building those metrics that are our partner stakeholders can also.
15:10:25 Are already generating to to achieve goals that we've agreed upon is I guess the. Framework I'd be partial to.
15:10:34 And agencies working together with one goal in mind is always the biggest goal.
15:10:39 Yeah.
15:10:41 That was what the looks were about. It wasn't necessarily. It's just my face, man.
15:10:47 I have very little control over it.
15:10:47 Well, I'm glad you spoke up, you know, or that your face made you speak up.
15:10:52 So thanks.
15:10:55 Alright, anything else on, annual report right now? I guess next meeting, will, I'll spend a little time.
15:11:02 I'll reach out to each of you and kind of figure out. A more refined agenda for the February meeting on, how we can.
15:11:10 Break this down and and we'll we'll have a community conversations committee before the next meeting as well.
15:11:16 Okay, yeah, so as I say so I I added from our conversation that you're just putting some emphasis on that lack of sources for operating funds for existing units and the need
for a solutions that is not tied to the real estate market.
15:11:33 And that we want to track the impact of permanent support of housing on emergency needs and length of stay, right?
15:11:41 So I added those 2 points from the discussion, other than that I am putting the contents of this document into the fancy layout.
15:11:49 And so I will I may have to shrink a few things to do that so we'll have that to look at but just keep in mind that layout layout gets real annoying if we make big changes.
15:12:03 So if you have any big changes, I need to know that sooner than later.
15:11:16 Yes, Sounds good. Thanks so much.
15:12:10 Thanks.
15:12:11 Okay.
15:12:11 You know, I would make a general comment that
15:12:17 I think we're the only people that really reduce the plan. I mean they they track whether we send it in.
15:12:28 Right.
15:12:25 We know that because they've already noticed by us. But no. What I think we want to do is.
15:12:33 Tried to start to write annual reports that we actually use or can Communicate what's happening.
15:12:45 The our efforts to meet the homeless crisis here and. You know, that's what I would shoot for in terms of.
15:12:57 What the overall objective of the plan of the reports should be even. And it would be helpful if the annual.
15:13:07 The 5 year plan and Okay, object, measurable, objectives. Not just the kinda make things better.
15:13:19 And that's one of the, that will cover in this workshop in a couple of weeks.
15:13:24 Yeah.
15:13:24 Mixings better in these increments.
15:13:24 Bye. Yes.
15:13:27 Right.
15:13:28 And this is how we know they're better. Okay.
15:13:33 Excellent. Okay, on the committee updates.
15:13:39 I think we might have lost Kate again. I know she had to leave early of course to go. Hang out with young adults, so she might have had to leave or she's having to.
15:13:51 Bandwidth issues. But I, you know, I good conversation on to any, update from the data and needs assessment.
15:13:58 Committee other than what we've already heard.
15:14:08 Nope. Nope.
15:14:09 Nope. Okay. Yep. Okay.
15:14:10 Oh yeah, this is the work. Thanks Picky again.
15:14:14 And community conversations, sorry, you know, time flows like a river. Sometimes it goes pretty fast. So we haven't met, but I will say the the other thing that we're gonna
talk about in community conversations and I think that what Angel and added today is really pertinent and timely.
15:14:31 The conversation about recompete and those other potential housing options are moving forward quickly right now looking at a Probably a virtual kind of town hall where we might
have a few questions and and that's starting to get refined as the different pathways get laid out.
15:14:49 So meeting with the port and the city tomorrow and and we'll have a lot to report about. The possibilities there in in Glencove.
15:15:01 But not quite yet. So we will have a community conversations committee this, month. Coordinated tree advisory board, anything, I guess you guys are meeting tomorrow.
15:15:12 Okay. We're meeting next, Monday. I think it is Monday. So.
15:15:18 Okay, funding opportunities committee is just peggy and we have not not been meeting so
15:15:24 We found that.
15:15:25 Yeah. Yeah, you know. We needed more operations, you know, so. I think we all are kind of cognizant of the
15:15:34 My, yeah, my dream of the, of a federal 200, and 2 project maybe.
15:15:40 Trying to, had a buddy, in Baltimore who just got in a word.
15:15:46 And so I called him up to ask him what the secret handshake was, you know, how do you get it?
15:15:49 And, so he gave me some good advice and in terms of how to structure a project. So I'm trying to figure out how we might be able to put something together here.
15:15:58 This would be for elderly low-income housing and here's the there's the real sweet spot.
15:16:05 It comes with the vouchers. You get capital and vouchers. So.
15:16:09 Love it. Yeah, we, yeah.
15:16:12 Peggy stage whisper on that one that was good.
15:16:15 Yeah.
15:16:20 All right, well, we'll keep looking at that and appreciate you, new any other new business we haven't discussed?
15:16:34 Okay. Any Closing remarks? Well, of course, meet next month. I think it's 5 year plan time as we've talked about mostly today.
15:16:45 Thanks, you know, Vicki and, for really doing the wine share of the work on this and we'll all contribute.
15:16:51 Remember, we give those big comments to A's Len sooner rather than later. We just had some giant comments on the community wildfire protection plan on the last day and it's
like I don't know it's hard to process at that point.
15:17:06 So Okay. Great, well, let's give everybody an hour back in their day.
15:17:15 So if I, is there anything else for the good of the order?
15:17:18 Nope.
15:17:20 Okay, Julia, I will call you in a few minutes when I'm back on the road and this meeting of the housing fund board is adjourned.