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14:31:48 Alright, I'm running late.
14:31:56 Hello, I'm sorry for the late start. We're in the Halo effect there.
14:32:04 I will call this, I believe we have I will call this meeting. I'm the housing fund board to order.
14:32:15 And we have some Jeff with us today. And first off, as we regularly do, we will, open for public comment.
14:32:24 Is there anyone in the public that would like to make a comment today?
14:32:29 Okay. Thank you. Okay. Oh, there was a comment receiving you all got it for the meeting.
14:32:40 I didn't see it.
14:32:43 Can you read that? And somebody did as long. It's from HabTACK for Humanity. You can address it during that.
14:32:55 Well, we're gonna, it's pertinent to the agenda topic I'm a little too fast for me having to restart my computer.
14:32:59 Get up the. Agenda real quick and then invite our friends from the city up to the table and I think we're.
14:33:07 Are we going to see the other 2 who are online? If they. Turn their camera on.
14:33:17 This is, I'm travelling so I will not have my camera on.
14:33:21 Okay, and then maybe you could switch the gallery view so we can get Vicky up there as well.
14:33:26 Yeah, thanks.
14:33:28 I'm here and I just returned from traveling so I'm kind of isolating myself for a few days.
14:33:37 While I get over my sniffles.
14:33:38 Well, thank you for that. Appreciate it. Okay, well, so we'll invite, Emma up to the, and anyone else is gonna be presenting and please do speak into a microphone and I will
give me 1Â s and I' your presentation up.
14:33:56 Awesome. Well, you're doing that. Thanks so much. Sure, brother.
14:34:02 And, I think everyone knows me, but I'm a hole in. I'm the city of Port Townsend's, plenty of community development director.
14:34:09 And so we also have our long range planner, Adrian Smith with us and we also have our project manager for our 2025 periodic conference.
14:34:22 D. Alliance. Right.
14:34:25 And Joe is here today so that he can speak to you all primarily about the work we're going to be doing middle housing.
14:34:34 We did receive the middle housing grants and I believe the county received a, as well. So there's probably going to be a little bit of some, things that the county, you need,
you know, commissioner, if there's county staff online, might, see some intersection or just some similarities and what the city is trying to do to incentivize density.
14:34:55 Climate efficient. You know, communities and, mostly Bill's here to introduce himself and on the project and connect with you all and see.
14:35:06 But he can learn as we start this process. So I will give it a way to. Learn as we start this process.
14:35:16 So I will give it a way to start this process. So I will give it a way to build.
14:35:17 Thanks, Emma. Yes, what I can learn, it will be here a while. Thank you, Bill. Thank you.
14:35:23 It's great to be here and I'm glad you could finish it on your agenda. Thank you very much.
14:35:25 We're in town doing some orientation interviews and so the schedules have got just great for us.
14:35:30 So thank you again very much. Perfect. So I don't know. You've got the presentation up.
14:35:36 So go ahead and advance to the next slide. Okay. Okay. So what I'm gonna do here with this, slide show is just really quickly go over what it is that we're doing, who we are,
and then we can get into a little bit of conversation with folks here and online as well.
14:35:52 But this this is our consulting team. We're working with the city on a number of inter related projects.
14:35:59 And so those of you here from the HFB who will be working with this will will likely see my face as well as Aaron Marcar's face.
14:36:08 In this project and most likely Richelle's face as well. As we're going through this.
14:36:14 So go ahead. Next slide and we'll be working on this for the better part better part of this year and better part of next.
14:36:22 It's a required periodic update that we've comprehensive plan. Sorry. Maybe primary element of work.
14:36:30 Where we're going to be. Working with the city to comply with all the new growth management act requirements and sufficiently complex interweaving of requirements to work with
the community there.
14:36:45 Also, I should say that says phase one on the screen, but that doesn't mean it's the first part of our work.
14:36:50 It just. It's a silly accounting. Thing that our software system imposes upon us. So maybe.
14:36:59 I don't even like the idea of being sequencing because all these things are gonna be happening one on top another considered task one and then next slide, please.
14:37:07 Middle housing is, the second component of our work, which is also funded by a grant from commerce. And for those of you who remember the tactical infill project, of a year
and a half ago or so, this is.
14:37:27 Boy, I have time, anyway, so, this is, really a very timely spin off with that work.
14:37:35 There were many things that we were wanting to do with the fact Glenville project that we couldn't do because they really got into the realm of policy.
14:37:43 Oh, here we are. We're in a policy update cycle. So it gives us an opportunity to tackle some of those things to make sure that our housing, land use, capital facilities, transportation
policies, economic development policies are all aligned.
14:37:54 So we're really excited about that. The third component of the work next slide is the climate change.
14:38:01 And climate action sub element work that we're doing a lot of collaboration with city staff and so that's a policy-level look to make sure that all of the individual elements
policies are playing well together and they're sensitive to the new climate change requirements for climate action requirements that we have to have to observe.
14:38:21 And then the fourth component is actually funded by the climate change train, which, which is an update to the non-motorized transportation plan which we're calling an active
transportation plan because that is the in vogue title.
14:38:34 But we'll be working with the community actually met with the per tab just yesterday to get some insight into the per tab just yesterday, to get some insight into some of the
things they're hoping for out of that project.
14:38:43 So it's really, it's a really nice intersection, of all of these components and planning work that we get to do, for planning walks like me.
14:38:52 It's close to heaven. So go ahead next next slide please. Now SCJ has, you know, fairly significant experience in Port Townsend in the area.
14:39:03 A lot of it has been transportation related, but some of it also policy and housing. So we're really excited to be back.
14:39:09 We have a commitment in this town. Should do right through this process. So next slide, please. And public engagement community engagement is fundamental to the work that we
do really everything every project that I'm involved in has a very high degree of public engagement.
14:39:24 It's the heart and soul of my personal practice. And so we want to make sure that we're doing everything we can to engage.
14:39:31 The groups that we need to engage to inform this process. So that was really a major reason why you wanted to get with you today.
14:39:39 A little bit about. Organizations that HFP is working with and how we can program their. Through this process not only for the middle housing work but also for the policy level
comprehensive plan work as well. Sounds good.
14:39:52 So we'll get into that. Now. Whenever we get into a community, we also like to have a something of a quick fix on some of the things we might see as challenges and some of the
things we might see as opportunities.
14:40:04 So we'll be testing these. Some of the orientation interviews that we've had so far are allowing me to put a finer point on some of these challenges and opportunities, but we'll
continue to evolve.
14:40:15 This as we go through it. But I wanted to point out that the sense that we have of collaborating cooperating partners in the community is actually by high.
14:40:26 And so that's an opportunity. I wanna make sure we take the full advantage over this process and really help propel us into implementation.
14:40:32 So next slide please. So some of the things that we might wanna consider here today just to. Prompt our conversation.
14:40:41 Our questions here on the on the screen. But we really are very interested to make sure that we have an inventory.
14:40:49 Groups and individuals to reach out to. That's part of this process. So we can just kick it off there and see where our conversation goes.
14:40:58 So you don't know how much time you're wanting to devote to this topic. So we didn't have a time, but we've got another 1520Â min at least so we can have maybe we can, quickly
go around and introduce the housing fund board.
14:41:10 Since we have guests that don't know them and so we'll start online and Vicki can you introduce yourself and then we'll come back around for questions.
14:41:20 Sure, I'm Vicky Santeg and you may recognize me My work on the planning commission in Port Townsend as well as here on the housing fund board.
14:41:31 On the housing fund board, I play a role in gathering data and looking at I've been looking extensively at what our understanding of our needs are in the homeless.
14:41:50 System via v what's been projected in the housing. The the hap tool the commerce is haptile so i've been wanna do wanna do some input with regard to that and to the.
14:42:14 Gap analysis. In the housing areas.
14:42:20 Thank you, Vicki.
14:42:22 Okay. Hi, this is Avon Palmer. I think that we've met. I'm on the for Towns and City Council.
14:42:28 And I used to be on the planning commission before city council and I also, way back in the day, helped get Bayside housing started.
14:42:38 I've been involved in the housing space here for about 8 years now. Thanks.
14:42:43 Thanks, Hazel. Kate, are you in the space? You can say hi.
14:42:47 Yes, although I'm gonna be in the chambers in about 5Â s, so I'll hold up.
14:42:51 Okay, you can hold off. And we'll go, we'll go to Julia. Unsheltered and So that's my particular lens.
14:43:04 And I'm on Vicky's data. Great. And I'm a great brother, Jim. It's nice to meet you, Bill, and good to see you guys.
14:43:17 I'm Jefferson County Commissioner for the real rural area outside the city and district 3 and have been on the housing fund board for a couple years now and, we're gonna share
a mic cake.
14:43:25 So maybe. Well, we don't use a microphone. Okay. Okay.
14:43:47 So, you wanna say hi? Yeah. Hi, I've been listening and transcended my way here.
14:43:56 Kate Dean, one of the county commissioners, and so Kate, you want to say hi? Yeah. Hi, I've been listening and transcended my way here.
14:43:59 Yeah, lots to say about it. But I think the matter at hand is to consider these questions.
14:44:06 So maybe if, everyone, I don't know, Aslan, I think the the matter at hand is to consider these questions.
14:44:09 So, maybe if, everyone, I don't know read, I, I can read them off if that would be helpful.
14:44:19 Yeah, she's muted. You're muted.
14:44:25 Well, I got I'll read question one and we can consider it. How involved would you like to be in the development?
14:44:31 Of the plan? And this is the city's middle housing plan specifically. Okay. Great. And we can talk a little bit.
14:44:40 The county does have a middle housing, grant as well. You know, it's what, 50, sixtyk and I think it's very focused on the poor tadlock area in that where we're building sewer
and, Not sure.
14:44:54 I think we maybe a little derailed on getting consultants. Aligned with that. So, you know, I know that we are, you are also our consultants.
14:45:04 I'm not sure if you bill specifically, but, for our plan periodic update. So we will be dealing with SCJ.
14:45:10 Okay, great. So, I opened it to the housing fund board. How involved would you like to be in the development of Port Townsend's middle housing plan?
14:45:23 Yes, Julie. Well, that's that's a good that's a good let's can you define middle housing for the purposes of this grant?
14:45:33 What are we talking about when we're talking? Yeah, we are we are talking generally about infill, but we're looking at variety of housing types.
14:45:39 There might be opportunities for it to be inserted into the more rural landscape. And also in great field sites of what we're looking to do is to develop a larger site and a
more compact form.
14:45:48 We might also be introducing a middle housing. And so middle housing type is going to be something that is essentially between the single family home, the single family home,
detached, it's going to be something that is essentially between a single family home detached and a small apartment building.
14:46:04 So we're looking at that type in between those 2. I think duplex 4, small, 8, 80, townhouse, small condo, even garden department, cottage housing.
14:46:14 Kind of unique because Jefferson County is not required to comply with, 1110 which is about middle housing and so but we were able to comply with, 1110, which is about middle
housing.
14:46:31 And so, but we were able to compete with, 1110, which is about middle housing. And so, but we were able to compete for these grants, which is about middle housing. And so, but
we were able to compete for these grants, which is wonderful.
14:46:40 But some of the jurisdictions that are beholden to compete for these grants, which is wonderful.
14:46:42 But some of the jurisdictions that are behold They're not supposed to count. And you're trying to drive towards, you know, the multiplex development.
14:46:48 But we probably have a little bit more freedom to. But we probably have a little bit more freedom to color outside the lines.
14:46:55 Since we're not, you know, trying to confide to hospital one and 10 to the T, but we also can, you know, define like how close do we want to get to that?
14:47:05 What makes sense for small communities? And that's probably one of the reasons why the legislature. Gave small cities like our the pass so that we could come up with our you
know creative strategies.
14:47:14 Okay. Yeah.
14:47:20 Thanks. Sorry, I switched it to a different speaker so I could hear better, but then my mic doesn't work.
14:47:26 Okay.
14:47:27 So, I forgot to mention. I'm also the chair of the infrastructure and development committee.
14:47:33 So I, you know, will have a lot of input on this, but as the housing fund board, you know, I think I'm sure Vicky will speak to kind of the data aspect and the The future planning
and the how we can best use the funds at our disposal to.
14:47:54 How, what we are able to do and how the plan should align is like where I kind of see this best intersection where not making a ton of.
14:48:04 Like policy recommendations as this board.
14:48:07 Yeah, thanks, Hazeln. Vicki, I see your hand up.
14:48:13 Yeah, so you may be aware that the housing fund board is also due to put together a 5 year plan for.
14:48:26 Both homeless services and affordable housing. And since affordable housing is the major structural barrier to solving homelessness. This overlaps with, the middle housing.
14:48:45 Work or the analysis, the gap analysis, however you want to look at it. So I think we'll have a lot to say.
14:48:54 I think we have a different perspective on it than just looking at it as a an infrastructure or you know a housing stock problem because we're really looking at people's needs.
14:49:09 So for example, the main one of the major drivers of homelessness in the state the percentage of elderly people.
14:49:20 In the population. And, so we, wanna understand the needs of that. Those seniors who are being displaced and and at risk of being homeless and what kind of house he needs they
want.
14:49:38 So I think that there's a lot we can add in we're just in the process of structuring our own.
14:49:46 You know, kind of discussions with the public. As well as with the service providers, but. We do have a lot to say.
14:49:57 I think that would be very important with regard to how singles.
14:50:01 Just to add on to that a little bit, the 5 year plan that we're, you know, going to redo this year previously really dealt with.
14:50:11 Homeless housing, you know, the house lists and very affordable housing, but I think that there's been a desire to really kind of look at some of the other continuums and make
make a package that is, you know, potentially part of our call plan, part of the city's comp plan, but to make these things, you know, work in unison and, you know, all agree on the
same goals.
14:50:30 And I, you know, I think we all recognize here that middle housing is a big part of that.
14:50:34 And you know we would like to be involved and not to hold you up is what I would say.
14:50:40 Yeah, I just say, you know, we, this board has a fairly limited purview by, but an ILA that describes the function of this board.
14:50:53 And so, you know, I think there's been a bit of an ILA that describes the function of this board.
14:50:58 And so, you know, there's been a desire and interest and appetite for taking on more.
14:51:00 And in part because of the connectivity of the issues, like. Greg and Vicky just spoke to.
14:51:07 So I think, you know, I'd be curious to hear kind of in what ways we can be helpful to the process.
14:51:16 Yeah, yeah, exactly. You know, we are not a clearing house, we can be helpful to the process.
14:51:26 Yeah, yeah, exactly. You know, we are not a clearing house for all housing issues, even though there's, I think, a real need for that, that a demand for that.
14:51:31 Okay.
14:51:31 But that hasn't been what we have kind of been tasked with. To date. So, you know, trying to find the appropriate kind of tailored just given limitations on staff capacity for
example, that, you know, our input might be more limited maybe than any of us would be eager to participate in but you know I suspect those opportunities will exist.
14:51:50 In other venues too as in many of us portents and residents and just engaged. Citizens as well.
14:51:54 Okay.
14:51:57 Is and did you have your hand up again or was that a remnant from before?
14:52:05 I'll send. Okay, so, you know. Not one answer, but you know, I think there is an interest.
14:52:12 Okay.
14:52:14 We have, oh, sorry, go ahead.
14:52:19 Okay.
14:52:15 No, that if someone else could make it go down. Oh, but I while I'm on, I will say, I, support what Kate just said that's, my perspective as well.
14:52:32 Okay. So what major changes would you like to see an existing policy? Has existing policy worked well to achieve housing goals and we're again talking in 4 towns and right?
14:52:44 I mean I mean, a lot of the changes that for Townsend's making, I'll just say personally, really great, you know, 0 lot lines and being able to make shared walls without, you
know, going condo is a great thing.
14:52:57 Looking at parking requirements, even these other barriers to development. You talked about green field development and I think there's I think that's where.
14:53:07 It's going to happen more, you know, I think there's just a lot of resistance to building middle housing.
14:53:13 As infill with single family housing, you know, here and everywhere probably. You would know better than I, so I don't know.
14:53:21 Other perspectives? Yeah, I'll jump in and I'm looking to see if this would better fit into another.
14:53:29 Of the questions, but you know. In my experience working in economic development in the county for a long time is that the, really the one of the So, we need to attract.
14:53:43 Developers and capital. And so that's not a policy solution, but where that, I'm not sure where that fits in here, but I, that is.
14:53:54 That has been the pinch point. As I've seen it for many years and, you know, I agree that the policy directions that the city has taken, you know, encouraging, if not incentivizing.
14:54:10 Middle housing but just simply getting getting developers looking out here interested really being able to make the case for why this is a good place to invest in housing I
think is.
14:54:24 A challenge that we need to, be thinking about as well. And teaching those developers that are out here now.
14:54:31 You know, they're all custom single family house builders, right? So there's got there's a shift has to happen whether it happens with CLT and cross line of timbers or some
other technology to get it going.
14:54:43 It's that is a real pinpoint. Vicki, sorry, I see you have your hand up.
14:54:48 Yeah, I think one of the challenges we faced is that there is a significant tension between the urgency of some of our housing problems.
14:54:58 And then what you need to invest in long term development. So having a appropriate balance and some guidelines agreed, about where where we should focus limited resources.
14:55:14 So, I think that that's. That's been kind of unclear. The, you know, I know that I've had been involved in discussions about where the focus should be via the.
14:55:25 Okay.
14:55:27 Trying for subsidized housing which is an absolute need versus you know workforce housing and where you put your subsidies.
14:55:39 So I like some clarification on that and I think those discussions we have right now because we're looking at Yeah, there's monies for long term development and like permanent
support of a housing, etc.
14:55:52 But then we face the struggle of having the operating funds for. For you know, existing housing as we're seeing just immediately with, you know, the soon to be shutting down
of the.
14:56:11 I'm emergency shelter. So those those are things that we have to find a balance or or some principles I think to guide the the process of making Resource allocation decisions.
14:56:32 Anyone else? I mean, the second part of that question is existing policy worked well to achieve housing goals.
14:56:40 I mean, I'd say kinda not yet, right? I don't know. I don't know.
14:56:46 Do you have anything to add to that? I would just say that I'm enthusiastic about the virtual permits because we hit and a 2 week span, me now in the first quarter of the year
and we've got 1580 new permit applications.
14:57:00 That's how many we got in 2023. In was, you know, it's pointing us to North.
14:57:09 But we were limited in that project. So. Can we, can we start goal? Can we get more, you know, these having units with this work?
14:57:23 We'll get upgrade the energy code every year as a little sort of Damocles in front of builders.
14:57:26 That would probably get more permits in too, right? You have to go to our 100 next year and all of a sudden we're flooded.
14:57:36 Any other thoughts on that second question? Alright, out of time we should probably move on who should we involved in the who should we involved in the public engagement piece
of this plan are there groups we should engage with or invite to public outreach events?
14:57:52 Hi, the people who want to occupy these things. I mean, I think. Yeah, to some extent communicating with the unsheltered and the sheltered about what works for them and on the
way up that loud.
14:58:08 To Julia's point too, I think the developers that are most interested in this are the developers that are working in kind of very low income housing.
14:58:17 So talking that that you know your habitats and and housing authority and that kind of agency I think those are the builders that I see in that sector more than others.
14:58:28 Yeah, the community land trust. I'll have it plan trust you.
14:58:36 Other thoughts? Big?
14:58:49 Hmm.
14:58:40 Maybe. Some of our lecture employers. Hey, put down paper. Do we have any lenders in the community who are taking this on?
14:58:52 Something of a mission. I mean, crash 3, is that the one? I don't know.
14:58:57 I mean, for that, does a lot of.
14:59:03 Yeah.
14:59:02 Lion, it's a local investment opportunities network. It's a you know, they are getting into that housing element and housing solutions network too.
14:59:11 I think it's worth reaching out to them. Is there, you know, local lenders initially interested in economic development now recognizing like everyone does that the housing crisis
that we're in there they've moved into the housing sector.
14:59:25 I think that's a good idea. Okay, go ahead.
14:59:29 Oh, yeah, I think this could be a 2 way street too, cause like I said, we will have lots of engagement.
14:59:37 Opportunities that we're undertaking as well. At different scale. So letting you know about that and seeing if you're interested to attend some of those.
14:59:50 Might be good. Good. Plug in. Yeah.
14:59:56 Excellent idea, Vicky. You're talking about the having funding board through your community conversations.
15:00:02 Yeah.
15:00:04 We'll have some public outreach about our 5 year plan development as well. So yeah, we can invite.
15:00:09 The the city and to that as well. I'm not sure if the self help program which granted the, Peninsula Housing Authority manages, but if there might be an opportunity there, they
have only done single family residences previously that I know of, but, you know, like, habitat has been able to switch their model to multi-family.
15:00:36 and Okay.
15:00:43 Great. Let's see. And so, yeah, I think Vicky is right though, continue to lean on us and, you know.
15:00:50 Having the channels of communication open are just going to mean more public engagement as we both. You know, soldier on our own paths.
15:00:59 We can do it together. Okay, that's great. I didn't talk really much about our project website that we have one online.
15:01:05 Actually talked to some folks from, HSM this morning. Their survey that's going out the summer.
15:01:15 So we're going to promote. There survey? Great. On our project website, building this conversation with this data, but there may be other opportunities too where we can cross
promote each other's activity and your 5 year plan sounds like a great opportunity for that.
15:01:31 Perfect. Thanks, Bill. Okay. Moving on, are there any housing related events that would help us capture feedback on this plan?
15:01:39 I guess we just talked about that. Community conversations.
15:01:46 You know, I think the home show next year, it just happened in March, but that seems, I know the city is always, there.
15:01:52 That seems like a really good place to capture builders. And
15:01:58 Oh, so I think you wanna, I'm hoping you're having your presence at the upcoming connectivity fair.
15:02:08 Yeah. Nodding heads here. I'll be there at least. Well, you have a great question for first time, which is, you know, for events like that.
15:02:19 What does it really good book? You know, and we're trying to, you know, make sure that the internet set up for success at that connect to be fair.
15:02:28 Is there something that you think is a good book for housing related conversations? How about, hey, do you have any opinions about housing?
15:02:35 No shortage. I think it middle housing is a concept that is not well understood and talking about the advantages of it.
15:02:43 I think it's middle housing as a concept that is not well understood and talking about the advantages of it.
15:02:44 You know, I mean, I think I this is my personal feeling that we are so locked into the American dream of the single family house with the white picket fence as an intergenerational
wealth transfer device that more, you know, advantages of middle housing need to be.
15:03:03 Broadcast and you know championed so you know it's I think you're trying to change minds as you're defining that middle housing to people.
15:03:12 So I'll ask what are some of the advantages of middle housing other than the act that you know 1,000 foot view advantages that we're pretty clear on to what are some of the
other advantages of middle housing.
15:03:23 Well, if homelessness rates relate to the amount of elders in your community. Then that's a clear advantage.
15:03:31 They want less homelessness, give a place for elders to live. They have some autonomy and they have some connection with nature.
15:03:40 And, and a multi generational those things. I mean, you know, I would expect that if you ask the majority of the elders, they don't want to be put in boxes in senior housing.
15:03:52 And you know, I'm 1 of them. And I'm now living in a multi-generational setting in an in a rural setting.
15:04:00 Oh, I call it very well, but I'm from Manhattan. And so, KATE.
15:04:09 Doars area, which I don't know. It seems very rural to me. Program with a silver silver nest.
15:04:19 I think it's cool. And, they're trying to find co housing opportunities for a lot of our seniors who are aging in place and many of them are in you know houses that are beyond
their capacity even to take care of now.
15:04:32 So finding a lever to, again, it's not been super successful yet because It's kind of like, you know, a dating app where you match a potential renty with a landlord that's,
dating app where you match a potential rentee with, with a landlord that's traditionally you know over 55 and they can do they have their own relationship then but there's a
15:04:50 matching algorithm that this silver nest facilitates but just that kind of multi-generational housing, you know.
15:04:57 Allowing seniors to age in place. I mean, that will be one of those advantages that I think is really strong where you could say.
15:05:05 And like right now we, you know, we built a little place for my daughter to live because, you know, we're running to the same thing as, as, as teens grow up that They could
either stay at home or they could leave the community, but it's really challenging to keep our youth in in the area and I think middle housing is another, you know, that's a possible
solution to that
15:05:29 issue too. So. See, Becky, sorry, go ahead.
15:05:34 What? No, I should lower my hand.
15:05:38 Do you think? You know, I see in this group we are drawing the connection a lot between homelessness.
15:05:49 Income largely subsidized. Housing and middle housing. And I think you know We understand the connection there, but I think just like, Clarifying in outreach events, you know,
kind of being able to clarify.
15:06:09 What Again, just kinda what is middle housing. All related, but I think. I think it's a disservice.
15:06:23 If this group is any indication of everybody's mind immediately goes to this is housing for the homeless that is a very different.
15:06:30 Conversation publicly than. You know, talking about workforce housing, say, and I, you know, I don't know that, anyone is excluded from middle housing, but, I just think I see
that this conversation is going in one direction that I don't necessarily think is the Is it inclusive?
15:06:53 All that middle housing means and yeah, and could, if other people have that impression that we are talking about housing the homeless could, yeah, just lead to different conclusions
in the public.
15:07:09 My teams would agree. I really appreciate that distinction. You know, some of the guidance that we're getting from the Department of Commerce, you've probably seen this where
they have Yeah.
15:07:22 The income bands that we need to make sure we accommodate. And then they also match those income bands with certain types of housing and some of those types are little housing
and some are you know quite a bit more intense than middle housing.
15:07:35 To match the income capabilities that people have. So that's I do appreciate that distinction. I think it's probably helpful for us to keep that in mind as we have our conversations.
15:07:50 And not, right? Is it a power? Yeah. Great.
15:08:02 Let's see what factors are most important to this group to help prioritize housing action.
15:08:08 I think we talked a lot about kind of the. Fairly narrow lane that we have here, but obviously we.
15:08:14 You can't get out of how interrelated these different ways are. Absolutely.
15:08:21 Any other response that last? Last question.
15:08:25 Yeah, I wanted to chime in here. I do think that
15:08:33 Recognizing that there are different needs at different levels of income and what the accessibility is. I do think we need to focus on the housing justice and housing inclusivity.
15:08:48 And, you know, the predominant need. For housing and the people that are most harmed by the lack of housing at this point are people with lower incomes.
15:09:03 And I still feel like. There's nobody really that's responsible here. We do have housing providers that are focused mostly on emergency housing.
15:09:19 Permanent supportive housing. And we have Habitat who does this wonderful job around homeownership, but there's a real gap when it comes to.
15:09:29 Subsidize rantals for people who are in the lower income brackets. And this is where I think it's so.
15:09:38 From a systemic view. And understand that, that has any has to be subsidized. It feeds into what Kate was saying about.
15:09:48 The lack of development capacity here, particularly around multifamily. And you know, we just lack.
15:10:00 You know, even nonprofit housing developers. It's a real, it's a real challenge.
15:10:09 Half of the subsidized housing that we now have is due to go offline in the next 20 years.
15:10:19 It reaches the end of its, you know, Tax credits. Period and, so we're facing some real challenges in that area.
15:10:31 So. How seen, inclusivity, housing, justice, housing, equality are all big things for me.
15:10:41 And I don't really feel like. Because you know who's the voice for that those people who are housing precarious most most directly impacted by the housing crisis.
15:10:56 I think it's there isn't anybody that's really organized there. You know, maybe by default we have something to say about it, but it's really a challenge I think.
15:11:11 Yeah, no. Yeah. I mean the people that I served. We hear stories.
15:11:18 I would say every week from somebody who had a place to live last month. And things gentrified, we're trying to rent a lot, household, whatever.
15:11:30 And they're not part of the homeless population. So the homeless population is in no way.
15:11:37 I don't think that it is anywhere, but I know what I see here.
15:11:41 Yeah, and to build on that. This will sound like I'm disagreeing, but I'm early by any means, but.
15:11:51 I mean, I think there's a challenge in that. And people who are eligible for subsidized housing of some sort.
15:12:01 Well, there isn't enough, there aren't enough events or units for them. I would say they actually do at least have organizations that are serving them, but the low income workforce
They have nowhere to go.
15:12:17 There, you know, I mean, there's a few section 8 vouchers, which there's not nearly enough of the working for.
15:12:25 I think are, equally vulnerable and don't have, aren't eligible for services. So that I'm always very interested in workforce affordable housing.
15:12:38 Which is often at 80% AMI, you know, folks who are working and making good money but getting rid of AMI as the pen to justify to quantify affordable housing.
15:12:50 Right.
15:12:51 We talked about that a lot with commerce too. That's it just doesn't work since we have the least second least affordable housing market and lower than, you know, average median
income for the state.
15:13:02 So it's just, you know, the things do not line up in a way that leads to affordable housing.
15:13:06 We are also looking at that, Sandalon's home fund. You know, have you, are you familiar with that?
15:13:12 They have an affordable housing fund that is made possible by an RCW that has one line in it that prevents anyone that doesn't have a land bank from.
15:13:21 Participating in. Putting to the voters a a up to 1% real estate excise tax that could be used for workforce affordable housing would generate, you know, a million and a half
dollars a year in Jefferson County, but so that's a policy we want to change.
15:13:38 At least at the county, but it's just that one. It's easy to change one line and the ICW, right?
15:13:46 I don't ask my, representative and she laughs every time. Okay.
15:13:51 Yeah. So I just wanna chime in here once again. I actually do think we are all talking about low income workforce.
15:14:02 Unfortunately, the definitions for workforce housing and subsidized affordable housing are, you know. Technical and people conflate them and so it you know I think we are talking
about people who are not served.
15:14:24 In fact, we all we also know that for everybody who's eligible for affordable housing only a quarter of those are actually served.
15:14:36 Because that's the resources available. So it's, you know, I think. Clarifying that when we're talking about workforce, it's workforce for all.
15:14:48 It's not workforce for 80% plus. AMI, which is how you know the technical definition goes.
15:14:57 So I think that that's. You know, it's really a challenge and part of that is because We don't want to get into social exclusion.
15:15:08 Which is what a lot of our housing policy has been kind of been grown out of, you know, that social exclusion policies and even and you know when we start talking about well
Oh, you know, a project can only have so many.
15:15:28 Subsidized low income affordable housing units in it. It gets really problematical. Because we know that having integrated income neighborhoods are probably the best.
15:15:43 Approach in the long run. So I think these things that really do need some clarification and sorting out.
15:15:50 Public education around. So I'm also for that social inclusion. Which I think is a huge challenge in terms of dealing with.
15:16:02 You know, our homeless populations as well.
15:16:06 Thanks, Vicki. I think it was agreeing with you. I think we are all in agreement.
15:16:12 Hmm.
15:16:12 So I see Aslin has her hand raised and then is this the last slide? Okay. And then we should probably wrap it up and we can get some less thoughts from the city too if there's
anything that you guys want to ask.
15:16:22 So, go ahead.
15:16:24 Yeah, I just wanted to say that. A pet peeve of mine is being too separatist about how we talk about these things because 40% of people experiencing homelessness are working.
15:16:37 So they're not totally different populations and acting like they are, I think it further stigmatizes the challenges that these groups are facing.
15:16:47 So anyways, that's just my high horse that a lot of people who are experiencing homelessness do work.
15:16:53 There is a big overlap of the same people needing these services.
15:16:57 Thank you. It's true. Don't even get a start on housing first. We'd never stop.
15:17:02 Okay. So that's the last slide. I will stop and, Bill, I don't know if you guys have any last thoughts or take aways.
15:17:11 Good. I just wanna say thank you and we really appreciate, the time here today and, you know, I think not having like an actual border committee that looks at.
15:17:21 How's beyond like your fund or role on the, you're, almost, singular. Plane to end, this is a singular. That's the old title, I know.
15:17:34 So this is a really good, I think first stopping point first. Start point for us. As we start to design this process, do you have anything else you want to know?
15:17:45 Right. You know, I, I think we'll need to get together and. Consider check in points with the board here.
15:17:58 So that we have a chance for you to vet some of our assumptions and our clarity of terms and so on.
15:18:04 Start getting into that policy conversation. So we're in sync with what you're seeks.
15:18:10 I think that would be a good. Checking opportunity. And then also, looking at some of our.
15:18:18 Policy scenarios as we start looking at different options. I think that would really benefit from maybe a more regional take.
15:18:25 And the perspective you can offer on that too. That sounds good. You're always welcome. Thank you.
15:18:36 Guys. Thank you guys. And also welcome if you have other things you need to do and here's your drive bill whenever you're ready.
15:18:47 Okay.
15:18:49 Okay, let me take a gander at our agenda. So. Approval of minutes is up next.
15:18:58 Carolyn stayed late. It was something that I, there was a holdup in September. I don't, you notice that I add September and October.
15:19:11 And the, you notice that I add September and October. And the hasn't been part of September and October.
15:19:13 I don't, you notice that I add September and October. And the hasn't come forward.
15:19:15 I previously approved the October phone business but I noticed some issues with that so I decided to throw that on as well.
15:19:19 Whole lot of substance. This is a trick question. The difference. Are you going to tell us differences or show us? No, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
15:19:31 So the October, it was just, it's really kind of, I had 80 on our office cover for me for those minutes and some of the terminology.
15:19:36 Yeah.
15:19:39 I had it on our office cover for me for those minutes and some of the terminology is different body of it is fine.
15:19:41 It's just some terminology. Yeah.
15:19:46 Yeah.
15:19:43 Unless someone noticed the differences and when you get a If no one has any problems with the minutes from, we can do it as a slate.
15:19:57 That's alright. Carolyn to do them all today. Yes, you just, I outlined them but not on my current.
15:20:03 Okay.
15:20:05 I don't know. It's September 20 seventh through March sixth.
15:20:10 Yeah, I actually had a couple of small changes.
15:20:14 Good. Dig in.
15:20:17 Okay, on the January third meetings. On the discussion versus the potential special meeting, if you could strike only cap.
15:20:31 In the fourth line. It didn't have, was not an only cap workshop. So I think it will be.
15:20:39 It wasn't, but it was discussed.
15:20:42 It was discussed the older cap would be at the table.
15:20:45 No, they were just hosting the providing a place. It didn't they were not directly involved in the in.
15:21:02 I don't have a problem taking a lot.
15:20:58 Directing or yeah, they were not. Responsible in any way than other than.
15:21:06 Yeah, I don't have a problem taking that off. Okay, Next.
15:21:13 Yeah, and then similarly on the Wednesday, January, 20 fourth, you have. Discussion topics 2022 23 house projects verification and again this is I think the housing performance
measures.
15:21:31 Was the discussion that's described here just for consistency state. And then, in the final one, I have a question about is.
15:21:43 Last month's meeting. Friday, February, 20 eighth. And.
15:21:51 In the discussion on that. Kate. Announced that we were getting some additional monies for the recording fee revenues.
15:22:06 Of 27,000. For 24 and 25. Is and it says that It was there that noted that a competitive grant cycle opened up.
15:22:21 And I was wondering if those were dedicated to us or if it was a competitive thing. So just a clarification on that.
15:22:32 Let's see. I, we are going to, it's not competitive. Well, because we got it.
15:22:39 I think Judy is going to come and speak about those funds later in this meeting. So I think both were competitive actually.
15:22:48 I don't, I think it's, I don't think we got 27,000 for 2025, Carolyn.
15:22:55 No, I know't know. My notes I took in the meeting. There is an upcoming competitive process from Commerce for 25 million dollars that the legislator, allocated for that.
15:23:10 That's the 25 funds. Would be the, competitive round. So just try it out all 2025.
15:23:20 You could, yeah, you could straight that. And then there's nothing to legislate your operating budget.
15:23:28 I need to go back in time, you know, I wanna update this, but no, that's not that.
15:23:34 Okay. I think the rest the rest is fine.
15:23:43 Does that answer your concern, Vicki?
15:23:51 Give me
15:23:46 Yeah, I just was trying to clarify it. So we have an additional 27,000 for 24 is that correct
15:23:58 Okay, great. Thank you.
15:23:56 We'll be talking about it specifically in just a moment. Yeah. I do have a question and when she said January 24.
15:24:03 What part am I changing on the housing performance measures?
15:24:07 Did you hear that question? Vicki, can you go back to January 20 fourth?
15:24:14 I didn't hear the question.
15:24:19 Can you repeat the change on the January 20 fourth?
15:24:25 Minute.
15:24:27 I'm just saying, that maybe we just change it to.
15:24:35 I don't know. I don't have a recommendation. I think Kate's, suggestions and are appropriate.
15:24:44 Mine was just a question. I had an understood it as a competitive grant, so.
15:24:48 I'm sorry, we're trying the previous one January 20 fourth.
15:24:53 How many performances?
15:24:51 Oh, on the January 20 fourth, yeah. I was to substitute housing performance measures for housing project fair projects verification.
15:25:05 Housing performance. Measures. So the second line under discussion topics.
15:25:11 Just a clarification of that.
15:25:11 Yes. Second below under the yes.
15:25:15 Hey, 23 housing projects and verification should be. Stricken and read to read housing performance.
15:25:23 Measures. Okay. I think that was on the Okay, I will change that. I'm sorry, there was so many that this is why we're spending more time on it normal.
15:25:34 Yeah. Yeah.
15:25:39 Okay. With those amendments, I would welcome a motion to approve the slate of minutes as amended if someone is so, so moved.
15:25:51 Move to approve the minutes as amended today from September 20 seventh through March sixth. I'll second it.
15:25:59 Alright, Julia. It's been moved by Kate, seconded by Julia. Any further comments or questions?
15:26:06 All in favor of approving the minutes as amended today. Indicate by saying aye. Bye. If host.
15:26:12 Hi.
15:26:12 Hi.
15:26:16 Alright, that is unanimous.
15:26:18 Okay, back to the agenda. Next up is, a review housing fund board applicant and make a recommendation to the POCC.
15:26:31 As we know, PV West Webster stepped off the board to take a position at Holy Cap. And this, as a universe balancing out, I don't know.
15:26:42 We do have an applicant that, came. After the deadline, but we traditionally have, you know, not, you know, we still need someone in the, in the role.
15:26:54 So we have a membership application before us and I would open it up to the housing fund board for did you have a chance to look at it?
15:27:03 Should we, what should that our process be? It's not really clear. You know it's great to have competition for these things and have multiple applicants but you know we do have
a bird in the hand so I would love to hear people's thoughts.
15:27:18 I always appreciate having a number of applicants to look at and I don't think the county advertise this on our social media platform.
15:27:27 So I would recommend extending the deadline and making more of an effort to do our reach and potentially get additional applicants.
15:27:38 Okay, other thoughts?
15:27:43 I would just say I think Audrey's an excellent candidate. She has experience and she's recently moved to the state.
15:27:54 And one of the aging programs. So since, you know, this might be a very good piece of information.
15:28:04 To bring in. To our work. So yeah.
15:28:11 Okay.
15:28:11 And she's also been. Familiar with the Housing Fund Board as the chair of the.
15:28:22 Qu. Yeah.
15:28:26 Okay, yes, Julian. So she's replacing Peggy. So what's her term?
15:28:36 Peggy just got reappointed. So it would she would, she would fulfill the remainder of the term, which I believe was 3 years.
15:28:44 So, start with you as appointed January. It's a new year 3 year term. So she'd complete the.
15:28:49 But the current.
15:28:53 I don't think I have an opinion. I I have arguing opinions. Or at least 2 on our shoulders.
15:29:08 I don't know if she So she didn't send a second application. You just sent it a second time to be so that we could read the in between stuff that boxes.
15:29:23 Since you said the PDF, you couldn't see the rest of the box. So she redid it, but not.
15:29:26 I mean, I guess I didn't do a side by side, but. You resent it.
15:29:31 So when I could read the whole thing, I was like, well, maybe this is a really good person to have you.
15:29:36 Okay.
15:29:47 Okay.
15:29:47 Hi, sorry. I, I have no issues with Audrey as an applicant.
15:29:56 I think that she's qualified and would be a positive but I also think that I see no harm in trying to extend the window and do a little bit more outreach.
15:30:08 You know. And just see if. See if we could get one more and, you know, maybe even more than one more.
15:30:16 But, and then if we didn't go ahead and, take a vote on this, but I think, yeah, I'm comfortable with holding.
15:30:25 Okay, so we kind of have 2 different tracks. I'm I you know Kind of like Julia, I'm of 2 minds.
15:30:34 I think it's always great to get more applicants. Often we've had. Only one applicant though and we've always Move forward, so.
15:30:42 Yeah, I think I came on as just the only applicant. Yeah. So idea.
15:30:49 I don't know. I think, Audrey, be a strong contributor. She's got lots of experience in the sector.
15:30:54 Experience now, you know, DSHS, I don't think is a conflict or anything.
15:30:59 So, I'm, I guess I'm hard pressed not to say we should make a decision now I feel.
15:31:04 That would be calendaring. That would be breaking with our past practice to extend it. But. If anyone feels strongly enough they wanna make a motion, I guess that will.
15:31:19 Why don't you make it or that amount of chairs? Convention. I could make a motion, but I would, I would.
15:31:28 First give the opportunity to members of the board.
15:31:32 Zizzan, I'm happy to make a motion.
15:31:34 Before.
15:31:36 I move to approve Audrey Morpherd as a member of the housing fund board filling the existing the remainder of the existing 3 year term.
15:31:47 This would be a recommendation to the BSCC, which formally.
15:31:49 Recommendation. Thank you.
15:31:52 Okay. I'll have a little conversation. I'm not sure if we're all in the same place.
15:32:01 I am not opposed to moving forward if, if others feel comfortable. Okay, I'm missing Peggy.
15:32:12 Now.
15:32:12 So I would like to have somebody else. Yeah, no, I agree.
15:32:20 Okay, any other questions, comments? Ready? Okay. I will call the question that all in favor of the motion.
15:32:32 Moving that we recommend to the BOCC appointment of Audrey Morford for the housing fund board indicate by saying aye.
15:32:40 I.
15:32:40 Hi.
15:32:39 Bye. Bye. You post. Alright.
15:32:44 That motion passes. So, yeah, exciting. Good to have a, probably a full board.
15:32:55 Yeah.
15:32:51 I doubt the BOCC, which is, you know, Got a quorum here. Okay, great. Well, thank you for that.
15:32:59 Thank you, Audrey, for your volunteering for service.
15:33:06 Will she on this? I don't, I didn't see. We were able to attend today. Gotcha.
15:33:12 The okay update regarding the American Legion shelter and I think we should probably start, like Judy over please.
15:33:24 Okay. She's, yes, she can give us some of that, information about the, the funding, after this.
15:33:45 There.
15:33:37 Yes, we can do that. It's on our new business. Hello, Judy. We're, to talk about the American Legion shelter update and I was hoping that as a, data for that you could talk
about the new funding source and what that looks like and how sustainable it is.
15:34:02 So it's it came from the Department of Commerce and it was direct replacement of some of the recording fees that we've experienced.
15:34:12 A huge drop in and that is where a lot of the money comes from. Or the homeless fund. And so therefore, it's not a lot.
15:34:23 It's, 27,000 and change per 2024 that has to be spent by June thirtieth because that's the end of the fiscal year for the state.
15:34:32 And then another 27,000 and change for 2025. That would have to be spent by the end of June, 25.
15:34:40 And so it's broken up into 2 chunks, but it could be all used in the same year, right?
15:34:47 As far as the calendar year. So I did get notice from commerce. It has not been we have not submitted anything for reimbursement.
15:34:56 In the budget for 1 49, we had included that, under homeless services and it was under Olicap.
15:35:06 Because they were running the winter shelter at the time and we didn't know about. I mean, when we are putting the budget together in the fall last year.
15:35:13 I don't think we knew anything about closure and about American Legion stepping out at that point or anything like that.
15:35:20 So right now that's where sitting in the budget.
15:35:25 So the, like we awarded for the American Legion shelter in our normal RFP process. What a hundred 5.
15:35:33 135,000.
15:35:35 135 and then this would be on top of that was kind of how the budget had been built.
15:35:42 Correct.
15:35:46 Right.
15:35:44 Adding up to 1 60 or whatever. Okay.
15:35:49 Was there any?
15:35:50 39 72.
15:35:53 Was there anything in the, grant language from Department of Commerce that specified that that should go to only cap but does that link to the CDBG or anything or is that just
where you put it?
15:36:06 That is where I put it. I think, there is some reporting requirements. And I think probably that's where we were leaning because of all the cap aware of knowing how to do those
are reporting requirements possibly.
15:36:20 I don't know. I think we just put it there as, and it, you know, it's appropriate.
15:36:27 So if you don't want it there, we can move it somewhere else. I did check the contract today.
15:36:31 And I don't see any language in the contract that says it has to be. An only cat type.
15:36:39 But what am I trying? Organization. Or it can be but it but it's specific for homeless.
15:36:46 So it can go for affordable housing. Okay.
15:36:46 Gotcha. Did you have your hand up, Julia? Yeah, there's so many questions.
15:36:58 My cameras can be.
15:36:57 So, is unwilling. To extend the shelter past April thirtieth. We're talking about the months of May and June.
15:37:09 Is this by the end of June at the beginning of June? I understand. Contractors up with the American Legion.
15:37:21 I, we've gotta say open to the end of June.
15:37:25 And let it coalition happen of organization because otherwise it's spinning too quickly. At least in my world for this.
15:37:34 Okay, I think that's Very pertinent to the conversation. Maybe we should, you know, lay the groundwork for those that don't have the benefit of being in the workshop and the
other shelter meetings.
15:37:45 So let's get back to that point if we can and just, you know, kind of talk about the money that we have.
15:37:50 So it's we have 4 24 and 2520 fiscal year 24 and 2520 fiscal year 24 and 2520 fiscal year 24 ending in June and then fiscal year 24 and 2520 fiscal year 24 ending in June and
then fiscal year 25 starting in June and then fiscal year 25 starting in June or the beginning of June and then fiscal year 25 starting in June or the beginning of July another 20
15:38:02 Correct
15:38:00 7 K for each one of those basically. For shelter or homeless. Thank you. I just clarify then that the 25 funds could start being expanded July first.
15:38:11 I'm sorry, what was that?
15:38:12 Okay, this year, 25 funds can they start to be spent July first of But not sooner.
15:38:19 Correct. Yeah. Right. It doesn't it's for the so it's for July first 2024 through June 30 at 2025 the fiscal year.
15:38:30 Thank you. Okay. Thank you.
15:38:35 So, you know, at this point I think operations not only for the shelter, but also for Caswall Browner, you know, not fully covered.
15:38:48 So, I think it's important to, you know, check in with Only Cap to see where, you know, best.
15:38:57 To direct those ones or if there's some way we could just Say it's for for emergency shelter operations which have both I know that they have some time that they want to use
to get out of the shelter.
15:39:15 Because they have to remove things and you know, restored probably to certain certain conditions, but, Yeah, I would support, you know, using this money to bolster operations
for emergency and transition.
15:39:35 In a recap. I do have a small request to make proposals that I've notified. Half of which falls in this year and half which falls in this next year.
15:39:51 So, I don't know when that appropriate time to raise that. Would be.
15:39:59 Why don't you outline it right now, Vicki, and we'll see if we should push it to later in the conversation.
15:40:05 Okay, yeah, so my our proposal is this is coming out of the data and needs assessment committee. We are going to have a series of 6 conversations around data and existing services
to identify.
15:40:22 Needs, gap needs and this is going to be mainly focused. With the service providers, these are going to be small 10 to 12 people.
15:40:34 But we also want to include people who have lived experience. And we think a small stipend would be worth, offering people in this regard.
15:40:46 So we're asking for, stipends of a hundred 50 per month.
15:40:55 To compensate people, to probably 2 of these each month. So that would be $1,800 total. This is right.
15:41:10 Yeah, $1,800 total. So 900 this in the fiscal year, 24 and.
15:41:16 900 and fiscal a year 25
15:41:26 Yeah, any initial thoughts and we can kinda come back to, I mean, we've got this new influx of cash.
15:41:33 So it's. Yeah, that's This is something that you Sarah is doing. With this is how we expanded our board to, or immigrants.
15:41:46 Yeah, so I support this. I guess my first question would be is it an allowable use of the phones?
15:41:55 And then I do think we really, we have a crisis with the shelter closing that we need to solve for first.
15:42:04 And it could have a financial I do, I do think. That.
15:42:15 I think I'll request and it's funding. Or, that we ask Judy to pull those funds out of being under a specific, organization just because that those funds.
15:42:30 So I think, it's probably best that I go through a process with the, the board first, but I think the, shelter conversation really has to be paramount.
15:42:43 Okay, there was one other question I thought Judy was going to investigate on that request too about whether it was an allowed use.
15:42:50 Did you get a chance to check into that at all, Judy?
15:42:51 I wasn't aware of that. I'm sorry. Maybe I missed that. So I would have to look into that.
15:42:58 And is the expectation for.
15:42:57 Okay, I know the 10% are. Eligible for 10% of all of these operating monies are eligible for kind of overhead activities and I don't know whether it falls into that or not.
15:43:12 So this would be stipends for. Engagement participation.
15:43:18 So the question I do have is this for homeless or is this affordable housing?
15:43:24 This would be for homeless. We're looking at homeless population. So. No.
15:43:30 People experiencing homelessness. Yeah.
15:43:29 Well, Right. Okay, so I would have to clarify that. Also the thing to keep in mind, our revenue.
15:43:40 As at the end of March or as of today. We're at 18% for the year. So our revenues for recording is now.
15:43:52 Oh yeah.
15:43:51 I was just talking to Brenda the auditor today and she says they were 14 documents yesterday they used to report you know, 60 to 70 documents.
15:43:59 And so I think we. Have to really. Just know that even though we budgeted for 244,000 in revenue.
15:44:10 I'm just not this is only the third month not sure that we're gonna be able to meet that.
15:44:16 Okay.
15:44:16 So therefore you'd be using fun balance of course to cover your obligation.
15:44:21 Well, and the state has allocated funds for this. Upcoming as well. So there is another.
15:44:30 Source that no, the 25 million, distributed 2 counties to Vexcel for a recording piece.
15:44:38 Hopefully.
15:44:38 So is that in the form of a grant or is it a?
15:44:41 Yeah, they'll have a competitive branch program. Through Department of Commerce, you know, it just passed a month ago or whatever.
15:44:51 Okay.
15:44:51 So I don't think, or system, writing for it. Yeah, but we'll, keep an ear out for that.
15:44:55 Okay.
15:44:57 Go ahead, Julie. I have a question about the American Legion, the contract. So the contract is between Legion and Coast and Olicap and not any government entity?
15:45:11 Correct. So, only cap has. Is backing down, it's going away. I have no idea what Coast is doing.
15:45:20 I hope somebody does.
15:45:24 It just seems like is there a way that. The county city can say to the American Legion. You were allowing this use for this space till the end of June and we want you to continue
to do that.
15:45:37 Yeah, I mean, yeah, we can get a little update. Maybe I'll back up a little bit for the benefit of people that we've had lots of lots of meetings with providers and with Olicap
and we had a workshop on Monday at 3 o'clock that people are welcome to go back and watch too that was pretty.
15:45:54 Oh, I think the so only cap has you know said they will remain open till the end of April their contract goes through June.
15:46:04 I can't speak for the American Legion. I have reached out to the commander and I have not heard back yet, but I only reached out 2 days ago.
15:46:10 So, you know, these things take a little bit of time. They've I think that relationships are pretty afraid between only cap and the American legion so I do not think that they
the legion is really interested in extending only cap doesn't have financial capacity.
15:46:28 Right. At these meetings it came up that there could be any coalition that continues to operate the shelter since other alternatives for keeping the shelter open or a shelter
open include, you know, renovating that mobile home from the PUD that's a Coswell Brown that's pretty problematic and would be much more expensive.
15:46:47 Or supported encampments and those are pretty much the 2 options that are on on the table to both you know take make a place for those 9 folks that at the end of the legions,
in the American Legions shelter being operated by Holy Cap, do not have a place yet.
15:47:07 There's more there's 16 I think or so people that are there. 7 of them have a place lined up to go.
15:47:12 And we don't know what the wait list is. I mean, that's something that nobody is like actually talking about is or did they just shut the doors and said, okay, we're going to
find new places for these people.
15:47:24 We're not taking anybody new in. Oh, you can still people, I think, still operating as an emergency shelter so anyone can show up and use it while it's being operated.
15:47:33 Yeah, just Yeah, the 9 people surprises me because we see so much more.
15:47:39 So I'm wondering what that barrier is. Happening, you know, imminently when we dealt with the RFP and because we kind of knew it was on the horizon as it's, you know.
15:47:56 Getting close, we are looking for other alternatives and so You know, whether it's, I mean, my question for the American Legion that I haven't had the opportunity to ask, is
there any agency that you would allow to operate the shelter month to month until we can get a new one built that we're trying to build.
15:48:14 And the new shelter, we still need to get additional funds. Commissioner Dean's been very instrumental in working with Holy Cap to get aggressionally directed spending, request
in.
15:48:25 So, and I, you know, it's It's appealing to me. Hopefully it gets funded, but even if it does or one of the other funding avenues that they are are pursuing.
15:48:35 You know, in parallel. It's still a year to 18 months out. So we, you know, we have, we talked on Monday too about the short-term problem, which is what to do in the summer
and we've had that problem before because for many years this is shelter is not operated year round.
15:48:54 But the more critical to me question and problem is what do we do when the weather gets an. Coming again. So right. That's true.
15:49:02 I just thinking this 27,000 needs to be spent by the end of June. Let's spend it.
15:49:07 It does seem like seeing if only cap could operate until the end of their. A contract with the American Legion.
15:49:16 We've got an additional 27,000 that we could put through. I think that Julia is an excellent suggestion and it would give us more time to plan an alternative or plan a response
to what we know is going to have, you know, a non plan that will have real repercussions for the on housed and for the, you know, for the people, for the municipalities as well.
15:49:37 So, other, thoughts on, that idea of. I guess. I'm not sure I had a phrase with it, but recommending that.
15:49:47 Requesting that only cap operate the shelter for the month of June as well and right.
15:49:59 May well. Oh, May and June, 2 months. But that one. That, 25 money can't be used for anything prior to July one, right?
15:50:10 1,000 may not be enough but Has anyone seen the accounting or books for the grant that the money we gave them?
15:50:20 2 operators.
15:50:26 I mean, that to me is a bottom line is that there we gave them, I mean, you mentioned, 135,000 which was What?
15:50:35 Just 60% of their ask or something. So they were projecting it to cost more than, than we granted them.
15:50:45 So this, you know, There's some question as to whether they were. Operating with, those funds in mind.
15:50:53 So I think there's still some, some, some, some, some, communication, may be, about, IT, and, Peggy kept saying that literally they asked for twice as much this year, and they
did last year without showing any justification for it.
15:51:07 So. I think somewhere there's due diligence that somebody actually looks at their books. That's some type of audit.
15:51:14 And I don't know what level I'm talking, you know, I'm sitting here in a government thing and I don't know enough to I don't want to use words that are triggering something.
15:51:25 And I don't know enough to, I don't want to use words that are triggering something scary. Right.
15:51:27 But I do think that somebody needs to be looking at what reality is, where the money is, how much they've left, and does this 27,000 help and if it helps, if it can, if it can
hire one of their monitors.
15:51:39 And we could supply the other monitor. I always save my hook if I cook, which is probably isn't appropriate, but that we can supply the other monitor either through volunteers
or maybe, and other groups step up to pay for another monitor.
15:51:56 Bye. I'm not sure if we can. Take the 27,000 and ask for 2 months, but one month is a pretty reasonable ask.
15:52:04 And you know, to your question about the finances. Yeah, you know, it didn't, look great and they've revised that estimate and at the Wednesday before meeting said that they
could operate right now at a cost of about $33,000 per month.
15:52:20 Vicky has her hand up. I do also think we should talk to Judy about, you know.
15:52:24 And we don't need to do it today but think about you know is there additional fund balance and this is this is a emergency situation.
15:52:31 And at least get us to that July first date when both the 27,000. Comes into play the lease ends potentially a new coalition is taking over and the competitive grant program
gets at least rolled out to some degree.
15:52:48 Yeah, what are the challenges I've had in this whole discussion is that People have known this was coming a long time so that there was had to be some transition.
15:53:01 Especially with the people who are relying on the shelter right now. And I believe there's been some attrition.
15:53:09 I've understood that. They both lost monitors and they're limiting the number of people there and anyway that went when we had the community meeting they said it was down to
like 10 to 12 people that they had as a know that they were still looking for.
15:53:27 Possible placements. So I guess if I had an ask in this, I would wanna make sure that they're getting, you know, the appropriate case management services.
15:53:39 Try to move them to. You know, looking for other possible placements. So it, you know, because there is gonna be an extended period of time between the shelter closing and the
new emergency.
15:53:55 Shelter opening and and although we do need those beds, I think, you know, this is a transition period and we should focus in on not only on just providing the The space.
15:54:10 But the appropriate services that would actually move them towards the long-term goals of having some housing stability and not being out in the streets.
15:54:20 So that's my. My kind of ask is if we could make sure that we're that these people are getting the kind of case management.
15:54:32 Services and access to other stuff that
15:54:36 Is important to. Developing housing stability.
15:54:43 Yeah. Okay. Other thoughts?
15:54:49 Love to hear from Acelyn. Thinking about it.
15:54:59 Don and Emma and I had a conversation. About this, but we haven't.
15:55:05 That was about a week ago. And so I mean, yeah, we're obviously motivated to find a solution.
15:55:19 And, but you know, it gets funny when you're starting to talk about. $30,000 for you know, 10 to 15 people and you're like, cool, that's $2,000 a person and we brought them
in apartment.
15:55:39 So, Yeah, I agree with just the idea of, you know, trying to use this money that's available.
15:55:48 And trying to buy some time to see if someone else could continue operating in some capacity. In the same space, with to get really to I would say that like I think that's not
that's only tenable potentially through the summer.
15:56:08 Like we need to find something by next winter, but if we have a path forward. Then maybe the Legion will.
15:56:13 Be more willing to work with us on that.
15:56:17 I mean, I am open to ideas about what to do in the winter. I don't know.
15:56:22 Any other? Solutions that I've heard put on the table for what to do to fill that gap through the winner.
15:56:31 Well, we did discuss, one of the options. That has been brought up to your point, Aslin was, was getting hotel rooms for folks, but then we run into the same problem, which
I don't know if you were not being explicit to be, politically correct or, or just didn't bring up, you know, in the very real challenge that if we don't
15:56:54 have an emergency shelter, then we are likely to see, unsanctioned encampments on public land, which isn't a great set up for anyone, you know, that is it is not good for the
books who are living in those encampments and it's not great for, our jurisdictions.
15:57:14 Who, you know, we have a public that generally doesn't like to see, dispersed camping or encampments on public land.
15:57:27 Right.
15:57:19 So. That we have considered that idea, of like, it's cheaper to just find a bed and, you know, I'm sorry for that, but it doesn't then solve that, that other issue.
15:57:34 Right.
15:57:34 Oh, I see. Emergency filter issue. Yeah, that's correct. And no, I mean, I talk about that all the time.
15:57:41 Okay.
15:57:42 I've been like that the forefront of no this isn't an option because this is what that means.
15:57:47 Good.
15:57:48 Come on. So I I have been wondering if we could maybe.
15:57:57 Work with some faith communities on.
15:58:02 On an encampment kind of plan that locates them, in faith communities. Because that is something that's, you know, allowed already, right?
15:58:14 Good, they have a.
15:58:19 And. But yeah, no, I mean, I don't have a lot of. Ideas beyond that.
15:58:27 There's not a lot of
15:58:31 Spaces. There's not a lot of spaces that work.
15:58:40 Yeah.
15:58:39 Thanks, Julia. So, you know, as part of, Jefferson and Faith action coalition, what we see, especially after the pandemic, is at the churches are super stressed.
15:58:54 They've all lost somewhere around 30% of their membership including QUF, which is the largest.
15:59:01 And so That thanks unless really to take on projects because they don't have the volunteers And, the only church I know that in near port towns and that has a major amount of
land.
15:59:19 Well, I guess there's 2, cause there's also the Lutheran Church is,
15:59:26 I can't remember what's called. I'm sorry. You went out of Hastings?
15:59:32 Yeah. New life. Sorry. I kept thinking.
15:59:37 Life church, which had neighborhood push back when they tried to do something really small and simple. And it was one person, but they were powerful enough to stop that.
15:59:48 And I don't quite understand the dynamic there, but I know that's what happened.
15:59:55 So I, as far as base goes, the space that I'm staring at and I would love somebody who's more sophisticated than me to help with this is the thing that's attached to Kicksat
Bank that used to be Kips that.
16:00:09 Because they have not been able to find a commercial. Am I allowed to say this? Okay, they've not been able to find a commercial, tenant.
16:00:17 Because the parking lot that you see would go to Kitsap Bank, that nice parking lot and a nice door on that building.
16:00:25 Neither of those are available to that building to be used by the inhabitants of that building.
16:00:29 You know, renters or buyers or whatever they are. And, so the door that would be used is in a back alley.
16:00:37 And there is a dirt parking lot on the far side as far as a shelter or the winter welcoming center, that's fine.
16:00:45 We don't want the big fancy door facing a bank. That would be a bad idea. So.
16:00:51 I, you know, yes. Do you know how much they were asking for that? I'm into approaching the manager and saying this is the need you want to donate to us till we figure out who
we are and have a funding source and then let's say this is the need you want to donate to us till we figure out who we are and have a funding source and then let's negotiate something
else because you could
16:01:08 write it off on your taxes and I'm sure kids have paid as taxes. And this is the commercial building across the parking lot from the new Kids.
16:01:21 So that's. One of my focus is it does not have as far as I know showers.
16:01:29 It has an employee kitchen. Which, would a welcoming center. It could be our needs really wonderfully.
16:01:35 But it overnight shelter. I don't know what the requirements are as far as showers and stuff goes.
16:01:40 I mean, it could beat our needs really wonderfully. But it overnight shelter, I don't know what the requirements are as far as showers and We can make an agreement with Mountain
View to be open some hours when the Y isn't.
16:01:46 And provide monitors and have those showers literally opening, but he needs a shower rather than just people who are child safe.
16:01:56 That's the best Good job. I like the way you're thinking. We're, we're not gonna be able to fix that today though.
16:02:02 I do wanna stay kind of what to do with this 27 K real quick because we have a few other agenda items that we wanna get to but Kiki did you have a comment?
16:02:10 Oh, I was just gonna say we did fund a shower program. Build and I don't know when it's gonna be put into use through.
16:02:20 Base side and maybe maybe it could be built sooner and use for a shower for this facility, the KIDSAP facility.
16:02:30 So there's maybe another. Contribution we could leverage.
16:02:34 Yeah, and they are on city utilities. So we're not dealing with the barriers of Castle Brown.
16:02:41 But I, yeah, I, say that we go back to, we say, this is a contract and you are government in action and the government is saying we don't want you to back out.
16:02:52 Do the only cap or to the They you you operate until you run out of money and we will try to find more money to keep you there till the end of June.
16:03:06 Okay. I would take that as a motion if you want to make that a motion. I mean, we can't compel them to do anything, right?
16:03:17 We can't compel the to do anything. Just asking you. To spend out your money, the money that you have left and this 27,000 that we have to give to this idea.
16:03:33 To stay open till June. Well, this is gonna be a CCC stance or through June.
16:03:41 Would make it legal. That our fund balances currently on 1 48 and 49. I think it would just be one.
16:04:00 4.
16:03:57 Yeah. Yeah, give me a second. I had it right here. Okay.
16:04:06 Well, you're doing that. I think the, motion would be to recommend if there is indeed enough funding in the fund balance that there was recommendation to BSC to offer to fund
2 more months of operation of the shelter to the end of June to only cap.
16:04:25 And, they're turning money back. So I'm including that money in.
16:04:32 Well, they haven't built for the shelter that I'm aware of for January, February or March.
16:04:39 So I don't know how they're giving you money back. Is that what you said?
16:04:47 Oh.
16:04:43 That's what Kathy mortgages. She did say that. They wouldn't fully bill it out, I think is what they meant.
16:04:51 I think it was just a term of art to talk about not fully. And they have under here.
16:04:54 Right, okay. So the The fund balance is a hundred $12,311.
16:05:02 That's a lot. That doesn't, right? 30,000 a month. That definitely does it.
16:05:08 Yeah.
16:05:08 Well, you don't want to run your phone. Yeah.
16:05:12 But if we're talking, you know. 36,000 max that seems.
16:05:20 That's fine. That fund balance includes the unspent or unclaimed, you know, 135 and we just heard from Judy how we are You can remember where we.
16:05:34 We need money back. Well, yeah, what if someone doesn't spend the money? They have to give it back.
16:05:42 That money doesn't count. That was for money. Right.
16:05:49 And but this this money is money that we're projecting getting into our and and our projections have been much higher than reality so far we're at 18% when we should be Okay,
25 or?
16:06:02 30%.
16:06:02 30%. So even the like our fund balance is in danger without making any more than what we've already promised. Oh, sorry. Okay, I understood.
16:06:16 So that is. So of that 112,000 that is already over appropriated or obligated.
16:06:25 Designed to be spent out through the year, so it's obligated, I would say.
16:06:33 It is. So, completely complicated.
16:06:43 But we, we could throw, we could ask them to keep, you know, spending it down and I mean, we can make the request to.
16:06:54 You're not talking. $36,000 is nothing. In fundraising in this community. I mean.
16:07:00 I mean, but your kids to kick the can a month. That's what he is. Nice.
16:07:09 It's not a sustainable. If we could fund. What does only cap, what's the only cap and the legion need to keep?
16:07:19 The shelter going until the end of June, which gives us a few more months to figure out what's going to replace that.
16:07:26 Yes. Which could potentially still be an extension of. A contract at the Legion.
16:07:33 Ideally. You know, we, when we were trying to relocate the fairgrounds, encampments, looking into doing an encampment, which eventually became Kaswell Brown, luckily, but, you
know, it was going to be extremely expensive to do a supported encampment under our own ordinance on our own you know, the more we can do at the shelter.
16:07:58 It's going to be our cheapest option even at a high, monthly cost. And
16:08:03 So let me just say this, the thing we have to, if I can, the thing we have to remember is fully have still has some bill for January, February, and March.
16:08:12 Which if they bill will use up all our fund.
16:08:18 So there's really not. Money available. You know, going forward except for maybe that 27,000 because it's a reversible grant.
16:08:28 Yeah, but maybe if they've been using other funds to run the shelter if indeed they, you know, we're not aware that they have been funded through the housing fund board where
they're gonna miss communication at some point, you know, maybe now having access to those funds would be enough to carry it through June.
16:08:48 And I think that's just gonna be a lot of negotiation with, like, happened.
16:08:52 The American Legion to figure that out.
16:08:55 Does the county have a good negotiator? I have faith in. I don't know right so far it's been me.
16:09:08 Yeah, yeah, because I think that's to some extent what it takes. I mean, what What I've heard of his conversations with my friend.
16:09:20 I've been really interested. I don't want to talk. I know that. Yeah.
16:09:30 Well, so we've got a little bit of time left and I think we still got. In a second, it failed for lack of a second.
16:09:39 I think we should refine it a little bit more. So I don't know, you want, you wanna take a stab at emotion? I mean, I don't know that is, a motion. I mean, I think this is.
16:09:51 Well, what to do with But I mean, what we're. That's reimbursable right now is trying to get all they kept to use it and that's where it's sitting in the budget right now.
16:09:59 So I think it's fine where it is right now. It's a matter of if only caps says no, they're not willing, then we need to pull that out.
16:10:07 But I spoke with Michelle and I spoke with Michelle, only cat she wasn't aware they had even funding for the shelter this year.
16:10:15 So she said she will get on it and she will build for January, February. So they do intend and as soon as March is ready, she said she would build for March. But that's the
only conversation I had.
16:10:26 I'm just . Coming So just to say they thought that they were operating through April without this funding.
16:10:33 So maybe this is enough to carry it over through June. I don't know. It was especially with the extra 27,000.
16:10:38 Vicky, did you have something to add?
16:10:40 Yeah, I'm just wondering if a more general.
16:10:46 Proposal here might work better just same. Something to the order that the 27,000 be allocated for emergency OP service operations for housing those people who are currently
in the
16:11:04 In the emergency shelter. That way I think it you know if there's a better solution that comes up or if there's something that has to be adjusted we don't have to reallocate.
16:11:18 We just say that this is intended for emergency service operations.
16:11:23 That. But. Yeah, for those.
16:11:22 So we can stay right now in the same bucket that you already put it. Or get moved. Yeah, I think that's, you want to.
16:11:35 Okay, I move that the 27,000 be allocated for emergency service operations. For those impacted by the impending emergency shelter closure.
16:11:49 That's a recommendation to the BOCC.
16:11:54 Okay, do I hear a second? Okay, any further conversation?
16:12:01 Judy, this works for your purposes.
16:12:06 Thank you.
16:12:08 I'm sorry.
16:12:12 Yes.
16:12:10 That work for your purposes. We'd have the flexibility to move it with the authority of the having fun boarded recommendation.
16:12:21 Okay. Seeing no more comments all in favor. Oh, sure, we we can open it up for public, and then we'll open it up for public comments since the motion was not on the agenda.
16:12:33 Thank you, John.
16:12:34 No, I, I anticipated your call for.
16:12:37 Oh, gotcha. Okay. I'll ask the public that's with us. Virtually you can hit the raise hand button or star 9 if you would like to make a comment on this motion that we're considering.
16:12:48 Is there any code? All in favor of the motion on the floor indicate by saying aye. Bye.
16:13:00 Aye.
16:13:01 Bye. Okay, that motion passes. Thank you, Judy, for that context. Good conversation.
16:13:09 Back to the agenda now. Okay, we should maybe, we're gonna move habitat before any committee updates.
16:13:19 So we'll look at the Habitat for Humanity request to extend contract. We got a letter kind of justifying this and I see, Jamie, is in the zoom room so we can invite her over
if she wants to take a moment to speak to this request.
16:13:37 Habitat for humanity did send us a public comment on this. Vicky says you're then able to open it.
16:13:42 Was everyone else able to see it? Okay.
16:13:48 Well, I see is this. Is this why you're talking about the actual letter from that? Oh, okay. Then I do have it.
16:13:57 Okay.
16:13:59 Thank you.
16:13:59 You wanna just, quickly, reiterate the request and the rationale behind it.
16:14:07 Would you like me to date it? Is that what you're asking?
16:14:10 Yeah, that'd be great just for the record.
16:14:12 Thank you. For having me, I'm Jamie, my Chevsky executive director of Habitat for Humanity of East Jefferson County.
16:14:25 For the last 3 years, 3 cycles, you have funded the Habitat for Humanity Critical Home Repair Program, which focuses on critical repairs, particularly in in Brennan but generally
outside of the city of Port Towns and and provides repairs including things like replacing roofs, developing water systems.
16:14:44 Septic systems in conjunction with the county frequently, other things that keep people in their homes and keep them from becoming homeless.
16:14:52 We have, recently we have each of those 3 years had to ask you to, extend our contract and carry money into the coming year.
16:15:04 We have really worked at getting a handle on doing more of those projects and we now are fully staffed in that critical repair program.
16:15:15 So as a result, we do have about $50,000 currently approved to move forward on and we think we are able to use that about 30,000 I believe that it was coming over from last
year and then the 70.
16:15:27 That you would all already recommended approval of for this calendar year and to use all of that. By the end of December, my team believes that we can do that and I'm coming
just to ask you if that can be done.
16:15:43 We did try to ask for that. Finally time that we thought was okay and we asked in December I believe it was December nineteenth but it turned out that that was too late.
16:16:01 Okay.
16:15:56 Previously, we had thought that that was enough time to ask for that. Asking for an extension is an appropriate thing to do if it's necessary to use all the funds.
16:16:13 Thanks, Jamie.
16:16:13 If you have questions, I'm happy to answer them.
16:16:16 Any questions or for Jamie? Comments. I mean, I really, we can express her on we at this for a little bit.
16:16:28 So the thing I'm a little concerned about is where the 30,000 is coming from because what I show last year.
16:16:35 Is you were budgeted for 60,000. You use up to, you have 11,416 in budget left over from last year.
16:16:46 So I'm not clear where the 30,000 is coming from.
16:16:49 Oh. Was there, did you include what was, also brought forward from 2022 into 2023.
16:17:00 Problem.
16:16:59 So this is the challenge. Jefferson County budget does not roll forward from year to year. And so.
16:17:06 But we had asked for it to come forward.
16:17:08 I understand that, but it was never appropriated. Okay, so it there was not a roll forward amount from year to year to year that I'm aware of.
16:17:20 And so That's how our government operates. It's not rolled forward. And so.
16:17:27 Hmm.
16:17:28 One showing is the 60,000 in last year and 48,000 was spent so you have roughly 11,000 left.
16:17:36 In 2023. Okay.
16:17:38 So let me ask the amount that did, the, BOCC approved. Bringing forward from 2022.
16:17:50 I assume that that amount was spent first in 2,023 and that that was part of the 48,000 that was spent in 2,023 that that's where i'm confused or we're confused we we understood
that that money was approved to come forward from, 2,022 and that that was the first part and so that there would be 30,000 left on the 2,023 approval
16:18:16 of 60,000 once that, 2022 money had been tapped.
16:18:22 So.
16:18:26 Nice. I suppose we'd have to look at resolutions and make sure the board approved it moving forward or the minutes.
16:18:33 I'm not sure how this works if it's the minutes from the housing fund board or the VOCC.
16:18:41 Resolution. Okay.
16:18:39 Yes. Extending the contact. So, Caroline, do you have any insight? No, but I it's what's happening is that both of them are correct the in 2,023 the first part of 223 funds
were used to pay 2,022 a mask because the contract was extended and I think marker collie had done that contract.
16:19:06 This is being the first year that I would have done at the amendment and I question. Doing that because of the funds not being used in the previous 2 years fully.
16:19:16 And so I, It was supposed to come on your agenda last month and it didn't make it on there.
16:19:21 I forgot, but it should be something we talked about because. It's very important. So it's obviously called kind of.
16:19:30 The cascade seems to be causing, you know, multiple, ative problems in our finances. So well, and even if the BSC approved it, if we didn't do.
16:19:42 Alright. That is correct.
16:19:41 An that wouldn't have carried over. And because of unspent funds, I think we had the conversation appropriation might not be needed because historically they have not been using
all their funds.
16:19:53 Each year. And so again, like last year, they're granted 60,000, they didn't even use all of that or, you know.
16:20:00 They had more, they used, 48,000, you know what I mean? They wasn't.
16:20:04 And I'm not explaining it. It's just they're not using the full amount anyways.
16:20:10 So I think that's why that part of the corporation wasn't done at the time. Well, and now we have the added problem that we might not have.
16:20:25 Right.
16:20:16 Revenue as we anticipated and even awarded. These are 50 $90. Yeah, so we don't have that same fund balance issue.
16:20:30 So, so the challenge too is based on the RFP. That has been completely allocated and so the only RP amount not allocated is 9,600 and.
16:20:44 $40, I believe.
16:20:47 So.
16:20:48 You, there, Judy. What?
16:20:53 I'm sorry.
16:20:53 Anyway, Greg and I both have physical looks on our face. We're not sure what you're, referring to.
16:21:00 So the awards that we're done for 2024. When I say allocated, they've been all.
16:21:09 That budget for that RP has been spread. To all of those awards. That were done in 1 48.
16:21:18 And so there's about $9,600 left in the RFP amount. That has not been appropriated.
16:21:37 Okay.
16:21:26 And we left a hundred $1,000 on the table. That's, because we added, we had a special, an additional RFP to try to spend those down and it was still only we had a special an
additional RFP to try to spend those down and it was still only we had one applicant so don't spend that full.
16:21:40 The full allocation.
16:21:40 So maybe that's why you're puzzled. Let me take. I have it pulled up here.
16:21:47 But.
16:21:47 We 7 70 and we allocated 400 first and has subsequent.
16:21:56 Okay, there were 787,000 originally. And based on all the agreements and that's what I did is I went through every single agreement that was done.
16:22:06 And that's why, and I came up with a balance of. $9,640.
16:22:15 Okay.
16:22:17 How, that's 787,000.
16:22:22 So.
16:22:22 And that's all the agreement. So if there were one done later. Or something like that, it would be in there.
16:22:31 Was another one done with Bayside that looks like it's in the minutes from, I'm looking at the November 20 ninth minutes.
16:22:39 So Bayside is currently at a hundred 1,000.
16:22:43 Pour their tiny homes. They have multiple projects.
16:22:50 And I can share my screen if you want to look at it.
16:22:54 I don't know if you want to go that deep.
16:22:57 No, no, I think, well, we don't have enough time really to, dive, d, dive that deep into it.
16:23:01 Alright.
16:23:04 I guess just to.
16:23:08 Alright, so. How much was left over and like 16 from last year from. Habitats, 1111.
16:23:20 Hello.
16:23:21 That's the request that's before us right now. And there's still a question about the previous year as well that we approved rolling over that who knows how it got.
16:23:31 Processed. I mean.
16:23:32 I believe we have a contract, an amendment that was signed up, pulled that forward, but I don't have it in front of me.
16:23:39 And the RFP does indicate that it says specifically carryover of unspent funds into the next program.
16:23:50 Your upon request is permissible with HFB approval. That's why we asked. That's why what we were going on and we understood that.
16:23:57 2,022 funds were the first funds spent. When we did it in 2023 and that left 30,000 that's how we got to that number and said that's what was remained unspent of the 2,023 allocation.
16:24:11 But in light of, I know, Carol is going to be going on vacation. I would be happy to, I'm here part of the day on Friday, but I might be able to look, squeeze this in tomorrow.
16:24:22 I could do, an analysis at the contracts and how much was awarded if it was extended, how much was left over from the years and we're talking about from.
16:24:35 Just 22 to 23 or we talked about 21 to 22. I mean how far back do we need to go?
16:24:41 So look at that. Or I'll go back and look at all. I maybe I'll just.
16:24:47 Go back 3 years.
16:24:51 Okay.
16:24:49 Carolyn's in maybe 2021. I, and I think we don't necessarily need it.
16:24:55 Okay.
16:24:54 Tomorrow or the next day. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, Jamie, but you guys are still You have funds to move forward right now.
16:24:59 That's correct. That's correct.
16:25:01 So if we, this analysis done and get all the information so we can really make it inform, have an informed conversation at our Nest regular meeting that would be okay.
16:25:10 It is, it's fine. I think what I would just say is we do expect to run out of the 70,000 this year that that would be.
16:25:19 We now that we are funded with we have a staff person doing that and we have $50,000 on the books right now that we expect to have completed by June thirtieth.
16:25:30 We just are, it, it's a different, a different rate now.
16:25:35 And we will of course honor any contract that we sign as Jefferson County and and so we'll we'll dig through this and get it straightened out and you know.
16:25:42 I appreciate you pointing out that we make explicit mention in the RFP and maybe that's something we're gonna have to take out in the future if this problem is, you know, is,
skating of course, but we'll get it worked out and come back and let you know what it looks like before the next housing fund board meeting so we can all.
16:26:01 Thank you. Appreciate it.
16:25:59 Sit around the table and talk. Okay. Yes, Julia. So I don't know whether this plays into it or not.
16:26:12 I was gonna say given this, but I've gotten lost. But I do think that given the fact that the shelter may close at the end of April.
16:26:23 And we don't meet till the very end of the month. I am suggesting that we meet midnight.
16:26:31 Hmm. And I don't know that necessarily has to be a special meeting. Maybe this little Solving the shelter problem is not.
16:26:46 Within the purview of the housing fund board per se. And that's, you know, this is part of the challenge with this issue.
16:26:55 Is that it isn't, doesn't fall under anybody's, purview explicitly.
16:27:01 So, You know, I suspect you're going to be involved in these conversations regardless, Julia, as a service provider.
16:27:11 But I I guess I don't. I'm just not sure that. This group is gonna be.
16:27:19 In part because it is more cumbersome, you know, to have to have public meetings. Like I think there's gonna be a lot going on.
16:27:27 Before this group can meet again and outside of the party of this group. We have dedicated all the money that we can.
16:27:34 $27,000 to this problem already. That's really the what happens with the gap and the, and stuff like that.
16:27:44 That it's at a meeting. I can actually speak at unlike the 3Â min accounting for BOCC.
16:27:56 We have a meeting scheduled still in the middle of April. So I would say let's take it up in those meetings.
16:28:03 Okay. So let's just go with the regular meeting and. And we'll give a big update and you know maybe you can Help update from that from the meetings that are going on on the
side as well.
16:28:15 So we'll put in that agenda item as well. Okay. I think so. Yes.
16:28:20 Alright, I'm afraid we don't have time for any other updates unless there's something really pressing that someone would like to bring up.
16:28:27 Anything for the good of the order?
16:28:28 Can I just, share a minute on what we're doing? Our plans are on the data and investment.
16:28:38 Okay.
16:28:39 We decided to double the number of meetings we have a month by adding in a series of discussions that will be early housing service providers in discussion with those of us.
16:28:52 On the housing fund board and that will be targeted by population. So we're going to be looking at the population's needs.
16:28:59 In June or in April. Will be starting with seniors and youth. And then we'll roll down to families and women.
16:29:07 There's some overlap and all of these, but we're gonna be looking at the needs of the population understanding that, you know, to find the appropriate housing.
16:29:17 Response. It's really important. So, I think that this is all information that we're collecting and the discussions.
16:29:26 For, the 5 year plan. Which should be do the new rules should be due in October so just wanted to let people know that that was happening.
16:29:39 I think it'll be a great. Place for people to discuss some of these things in a proactive positive way.
16:29:47 That's great. Thank you, Vicki. And is the Community Conversation Committee going to meet between?
16:29:59 Yeah, I wouldn't, Peggy left it so. Okay. Alright, we need to get the owl to be able to pan vertically.
16:30:10 Okay. Well, we are out of time and the court house closes so I appreciate everyone good conversation today some thorny issues that we're wrestling with and I appreciate you
all for wrestling with them.
16:30:20 With me. So thank you. And we are adjourned. Thanks.
15:18:27 From Aislinn Palmer, City of PT to Hosts and panelists:
The app wonât let me lower my hand, Carolyn please help âºï¸
15:21:11 From Aislinn Palmer, City of PT to Hosts and panelists:
Nevermind I figured it out!
15:30:18 From HFB meeting to Aislinn Palmer, City of PT(Direct Message):
Sorry, I had a word document open over this chat box lol.. I had lowered it though probably at the same time you were trying :)
16:08:35 From Aislinn Palmer, City of PT to Hosts and panelists:
I have to step away briefly
16:26:24 From HFB meeting to Judy Shepherd(Direct Message):
2022 was the first year they didn't spend all funds
16:28:09 From Judy Shepherd to HFB meeting(Direct Message):
ok. I will review. I'm signing off now.