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HomeMy WebLinkAboutclosed_caption13:33:35 Alright, I see. Great. We're happy to have Vicki. And, so out of respect for everyone. 13:33:43 Now that we're recording, I will call this meeting of the Housing Fund Board to order. 13:33:50 This is a special meeting so we can only address items that are on the agenda. This is a special meeting. So we can only address items that are on the agenda. 13:33:58 I'll be flipping back and forth today Someone has something to add, please feel free to just interject. 13:34:02 And, first up is public comment period. Do we have anyone in the chambers from the public? 13:34:09 No. 13:34:10 Nope, we have a couple of people on line. Oh, I see A's alone over there. 13:34:16 Let's bring Aslin. And, I'll open it up to anyone online too. 13:34:21 Anyone from the public who would like to make public comment today on items on this agenda. We'd love to hear from you. 13:34:26 You can hit the raise hand button or star 9 if you're on the phone. 13:34:29 I am hearing you twice. You have a few people on line. Oh, I see. 13:34:34 You probably have AV capture going, Julia, maybe. It'll be screening background. 13:34:37 Yeah, I'll open up to anyone online too from, the public who like to make public 13:34:48 You might need to go and cycle between your windows. And if you have AV capture going with the agenda, just you could pause it, you can still leave it open. 13:34:56 Welcome, Vicki, did you have a comment? 13:35:02 Yeah, I wanted to add. short discussion of the 5 year plan to the agenda. 13:35:09 We really can't. 13:35:09 I mean, and your report, excuse me. We can't. 13:35:13 We have, committee reports on the agenda later. So 5 year plan, we could, 13:35:19 No, I don't mean the 5 year plan. I mean the annual report. 13:35:24 We can add that to an agenda, special meeting. 13:35:28 Correct. 13:35:28 Oh, okay. I understood. I thought you said we needed to make note of that. Okay, thank you. 13:35:33 Oh, okay. Great. Yes, Julia. Oh, you're muted. 13:35:39 You're muted still, Julia. 13:35:42 No. 13:35:43 Is it that proposal public? Like shouldn't it be attached to our agenda in the way the public can see it? 13:35:50 The application. 13:35:51 Yeah, the application. 13:35:53 It is a public record and someone could request it. I don't think we necessarily need to put every, application on the agenda. 13:36:02 So I don't know. I mean, we we can discuss about that in a few. 13:36:03 I had a really hard time 13:36:07 Oh, yeah, sorry about that. Carolyn, it emailed it out, but, Yeah. 13:36:13 You did it as an attachment to me. 13:36:17 Okay, we we can take care of that address that offline maybe Okay, I'll make one more call for public comment anyone with us that would like to make public comment. 13:36:27 We'd love to hear from you. 13:36:30 Okay, seeing none, I will close public comment and turn to the first next item on our agenda. Number 3, discussion and potential action regarding review and approving of the 2,024 and allocated housing funds RFP. 13:36:45 So we had 190,000 and change and allocated a little surprise not to see more applications but we did get one app. 13:37:03 You know, we're really trying to get these dollars out there. So, I guess I was looking more like, threshold, virtual questions, but thoughts about the application questions about it. 13:37:14 Initial comments. Yes, Julian. You're muted again. 13:37:22 Sorry, that's cause I'm reactive to something. So I keep coughing. Anyway, my comments are all positive. 13:37:29 I really like the fact that they did the 30% AMI entry, but you can stay until you're 80% AMI. 13:37:35 If other programs operated that way, there'd be less higher poverty. And not automatically disallowing sex offenders and others with criminal paths. 13:37:46 I really like that. And, and I thought, 17 units, which is a potential, 34 people was excellent. 13:37:53 So I'm happy with this. That's my comments. 13:37:57 Great. Thank you, Julia. I like seeing that kind of, step up as well. 13:38:04 I guess I was wondering where of course these monies can be for units of. Up to 60% of AMI and I didn't know if that made it more complex in assessing this. 13:38:17 That was my one concern. Any other? Thoughts about qualifications for these 60% of the 50 $90 that we're dealing with. 13:38:26 I was confused about the administration part, like how it said it can't be more than 10%. 13:38:33 And which I would expect to then mean of the ask. But. 13:38:24 Yes, Yeah, it was the 520,000 or whatever that they were under the 10%. 13:38:43 Yeah. Okay. 13:38:44 But I noticed that too. And did you do a like a Yeah, I don't know. 13:38:50 Yeah, I just wasn't sure if that was if that was Right based on what we put in the RFP and that 10% being then that what they have in for administration is larger than 10% of their ask. 13:39:05 That was my question or comment basically. But otherwise, yeah, I agree that. You know, it's a good program that we've already funded. 13:39:12 So yeah. 13:39:13 Yeah, supportive of the program for sure. Yes, Peggy. 13:39:17 I think the 10% relates to the. Entire program. That the admin can't be more than 10% of the program budget. 13:39:27 So, and I. Think. 13:39:29 I got that in position too that was 520 or whatever it was. And I think it is still qualified under that, you know, operations and administration under the, same use that we've. 13:39:42 Since it's, I mean, this is like a one time, availability of these funds for this project, right? 13:39:48 Right. I was a little surprised and maybe one of you can help me understand. The, like why If they are indeed adding new units, why are they applying for operations? 13:40:04 At the subsidy. Instead of the, you know, for capital dollars, is that because that's funded, they already have funding for the, capital project. 13:40:15 He's on. 13:40:15 I would guess that would be the case. 13:40:17 Already funded the capital project. 13:40:19 Okay, great. But it still qualifies as new units by our definition. Okay, thank you. 13:40:26 Yep. Other other thoughts, Peggy, Vicki? 13:40:31 No, I think I mentioned maybe they should do training for others and how to do budgets. 13:40:40 Yeah, no, I look good. Vicky, anything? 13:40:43 Yeah, I think it's a important move. Because I think one of the things that is impacting our long wait times to Long wait times, length of time and homelessness, etc, is this chronically homeless population which needs to. 13:41:08 Be put into some kind of permanent housing and this looks like the right place for a lot of that population. 13:41:16 So it could have. A major. Positive effect on me. On the system. 13:41:26 Great. Thank you, Vicki. Amy, anything you wanted to add? 13:41:36 I'm again surprised to see just one application here. Frustrated and disappointed to see just one application here. 13:41:45 But I have 0 qualms about funding the one application we have in front of us. As long as those technical questions are answered. 13:41:51 Yeah. 13:41:54 Which were, I mean, I don't have to re ask them because you all just did. 13:41:59 Then. I think we're good to go. 13:42:06 Not well said, just said, Greg. Yeah. 13:42:02 Yeah, no, well said. Kate, did you want to add anything? No, no, no, it's You captured the way I'm feeling the positive on we? 13:42:19 I don't know what I, but yeah. 13:42:21 Kate, anything that? 13:42:22 Nope. 13:42:24 Okay, well I think the ask was for $95,489. And if someone is. 13:42:33 So moved. I would I would welcome a motion. 13:42:35 I'm so moved. I would like to move. This is Julia. 13:42:42 Okay. 13:42:38 Alright, so I'm sorry, Julia, for clarification, you move approval of, of this, of this RFP from Bayside. 13:42:46 Yes, I, yes. 13:42:49 And it's a recommendation, correct? Hmm. 13:42:51 Yes, thank you. And is in second. 13:42:54 And it's just the peas. The RFP is the request for proposals. This is just the proposal. 13:42:59 Fair enough. Just the P, yes. 13:43:01 Just to pay. 13:43:04 Okay. It's been moved and seconded to recommend into the BOC that we fully fund this proposal. 13:43:12 In response to our supplementary RFP. Any further comments or questions? 13:43:21 Hey, LIN, seconded. 13:43:18 To clarify, did Amy second? I missed that. Aceland. Thank you. 13:43:25 Okay. 13:43:24 I just complain. I didn't second anything. 13:43:27 Okay. 13:43:28 Okay, and oh, we heard a rumor that we might lose one of you guys in future housing phone board meetings or are you still our representatives? 13:43:38 Sorry, this is out of order right now. 13:43:41 Yes. 13:43:39 There's nothing to do with this. But, no, this is, this is the plan. 13:43:45 Time being. 13:43:47 Can we all say, We all play. 13:43:45 Excellent. Okay. Alright, we want, Yeah, all in favor indicate by saying aye. 13:43:52 Okay. 13:43:53 Hi. 13:43:54 Sorry, okay. We'll get that motion, that, recommendation on to the consent agenda that in a week or 2 with the Board account commissioners and we'll move on to the next agenda item which is discussion and potential acts. 13:44:13 Action regarding the 2024 January meeting schedule. This is about a 9 30 a. 13:44:20 M. Workshop that Vicky has set up with. That on the performance standards and performance review, we can go into it more. 13:44:32 We don't necessarily need an action of this whole board. I'll just kinda lay out the way I'm looking at it right now as the the chair or Amy as the vice chair either was could call a special meeting and I think this is really done in case not that we have to get everyone there and need to achieve a quorum on the 20 sixth, but because of this opportunity to get this presentation, we want to 13:44:53 make sure everyone had the opportunity to join. So the plan would be calling a special meeting from 9 30 with the agenda being just listen to the presentation ask questions And if. 13:45:06 People chose not to or could not attend, then we would just can't and we didn't achieve a for and we cancel the special meeting and the workshop would continue a pace with just, you know, 3 or less of us. 13:45:17 So, did I get that right, Vicki? Do you want to add anything? 13:45:19 Very good. I encourage people to attend because, understanding the performance measurement system will, help not only with the 5 year plan that we're supposed to do this next year so we can talk about solidly about what benchmarks we have and what. 13:45:42 Performance goals, but also it will help with our comp plan planning because these numbers. Be in to the projections that commerce. 13:45:54 Sent us about the number of units needed all the way up the line. So I think that it's really could be very helpful for people that understand how this is done and an encouragement for people who are in the service provider agencies as well to start using these numbers in a in a constructive way, you know, that support their emissions and help them accomplish what they want to do. 13:46:27 Great. Thanks, Vicki. Juliet. And then Peggy? 13:46:32 Oh, you're muted, Julia. 13:46:34 We're starting at 9 30 as usual. 13:46:40 Oh, okay. I thought Greg said 9, so I'm just. 13:46:38 It's at 9 30. Yes, that's how it's set. Yeah, so it is. 13:46:43 Is it? 13:46:48 Well, that's a good question because as I understand it from Carol and that there's some maybe some requirements to broadcast this. 13:47:02 Okay. 13:46:59 And I was not quite sure. That was new to me. In addition to a special meeting being called by either the chair or the vice chair there may be some 13:47:12 I don't know. Anyway, so on. 13:47:13 So I, I was gonna say, yeah, I was gonna say if this is, you can do a joint special meeting that way. 13:47:20 If you don't have a quorum of housing fund board members, those that are present can still attend the workshop. 13:47:25 So we'll do a joint special meeting, but I just didn't know who the other entity was and I would need their zoom information so I can put that on the agenda if there is that information. 13:47:36 We and Caroline, I don't think it's going to be a meeting of only cap. 13:47:42 It's at the only cap facility, but it's not going to have a forum of the board or anything. 13:47:44 Right. 13:47:44 So I think it wouldn't be a joint special meeting, but we can probably use there. I mean, the they have hybrid capability from that conference room. 13:47:57 So it's easy to broadcast. I don't think we need to even rely on you to clerk it or something. 13:48:02 I can just 13:48:01 Yeah, I just wanted to publish the information if there was any and we can talk about that offline, but because this was a special meeting and it sound like, Vicki wanted to bring it up, I added it as an agenda item, but I can work with the chair and vice chair on hammering out the details of that agenda. 13:48:17 Okay, sounds great. 13:48:18 I will not be available to attend that meeting, Greg. 13:48:22 Sometimes I actually have to work. 13:48:21 Okay. Yeah, fair enough. Fair enough. Peggy. 13:48:29 Is, I'm just curious, does this conflict with the point in time count date? 13:48:36 I believe point in time is, and that is we do that on our agenda item coming up to talk about. 13:48:43 But yeah. 13:48:43 I actually haven't heard, I think it's on the 20 fifth though. Isn't it that Thursday? 13:48:47 And then we get to do it. 13:48:48 When I was 25 and 26, but you know, Only Cap would know more, but. 13:48:55 I'm just worried with conflict maybe there some of us would will be out counting. 13:49:01 So my experience at the point in time count for the winter welcoming center is that it's actually like a week long because it were so rural and spread out. 13:49:11 So I don't think 2 h out of any day is for news. 13:49:16 Impact any of us. 13:49:16 Okay, I just wanna make sure that we're not. You know, getting in the way. 13:49:21 I agree that it's really valuable to participate in the point in time count. There's lots of different ways to do it. 13:49:27 I've gone out with. Eckles or a navigator before that's a great way to to help and I also agree with Julia. 13:49:36 I don't think that this, opportunity would conflict. It might complete with a few ways to participate in the point in time count, but I do encourage people to do that. 13:49:45 So. And if someone if it does conflict with the way that you're going to participate in in the point in time count then Just don't go. 13:49:53 You just don't. Yeah. Real quick, I was reviewing the emails because I had a draft, date for that, special meeting on January, 20 sixth and the regular meeting for Housing Fund Board on 20 fourth. 13:50:06 Is that correct? 13:50:07 Correct. 13:50:08 Okay, so January 20 sixth. Would be there. 13:50:10 We'll still have a regular meeting and we can, you know, we'll certainly add the agenda item that Vicky mentioned before that's kind of the main the main work at this point. 13:50:19 Okay, thank you. 13:50:22 Good time. 13:50:22 Okay, Greg, I will, forward you a more detailed. Outline of what I provided to commerce that was agreed to but they basically I wrote a 2 sentence. 13:50:43 Okay. 13:50:38 Summary of what the meeting would be about for the publication. My concern is people have asked if they could watch attend, etc. 13:50:52 And if we could get it out sooner rather than later would be good so Oh, I didn't wanna preempt the meeting notice of the county. 13:51:04 But, people want to have it on their calendars, I think. 13:51:09 Yeah, go ahead and copy Carolyn and Amy and myself on that and we'll get it up and get it up quickly and I'll reach out to over the cap and see if we're gonna use, you know, their, zoom link or, you know, work out the, the virtual option and it has a public meeting. 13:51:26 We have to make sure that it's available to the public. So. Hope we'll get it. 13:51:30 We can get it listed if not this week, early next week, I'm sure. 13:51:35 Thank you. 13:51:35 Okay, Aslan, did you, did you have something in? 13:51:37 Yeah. I was just, how long do we think this one is? 13:51:43 This meeting is set up to be 2 and a half hours with a break. 13:51:49 Okay, so it goes to. 13:51:52 Noon. 13:51:52 Yeah, great. 13:51:56 And then when My all of my, recurring calendars. And with the year. When is our what time is our regular meeting again? 13:52:06 30 to 4 30 on the 20 fourth. 13:52:07 Okay. Okay. 13:52:10 30 is our regular meeting schedule. We can send out a new. Yearly calendar invite I'm sure 13:52:22 Fourth. 13:52:20 We do what Wednesday did you just say? Fourth. 13:52:24 Fourth. Yeah, that's right. Sorry, there was a little static on my end, I think. 13:52:31 Yeah. 13:52:34 You'll be setting up. 13:52:30 Hello, static in my brain, I think, but I need to. Cause I cannot, I still cannot be in 2 places at once. 13:52:39 Hello. 13:52:46 Okay. 13:52:38 Yeah, our calendar invites weren't working before. I think they are now, cause I did send an email out and people, got notification, I think. 13:52:49 I didn't get your calendar. I got an email that had the information in it, but it did not give me a calendar invite or populate my. 13:52:56 Oh weird yeah I sent both shoot 13:52:58 And that doesn't populate my work calendar, so. 13:52:58 Yeah. Exactly, yeah, that's my main thing. 13:53:07 Let me see. 13:53:03 Did anyone else get the calendar invite? I did. So, in network did, but maybe outside. 13:53:11 Peggy, did you get a calendar invite? I believe I did. I sent both the counter invite and email because I wasn't sure what was gonna work. 13:53:19 Yeah, thanks for doing that. 13:53:20 I I will try again. I'll send one out for the year. So hopefully we'll get it. 13:53:25 Thanks, Carol. And let us know if you don't get it as well. Yes, Julia. 13:53:29 Okay. 13:53:29 Did you just say our next regular meetings on the fourth? Cause the fourth is a Sunday. 13:53:33 20. 13:53:33 24. 13:53:33 20 fourth. 13:53:35 I'm sorry. I'll get that. 13:53:38 You probably just heard me say the fourth Wednesday. 13:53:41 So January fourth. 13:53:44 Bye. 13:53:44 24. Do you? Yeah, Jared for this. January 20 fourth. 13:53:46 Right? Not on my calendar for some reason. Okay. 13:53:52 You should have a calendar invite from, from, Qing on as well. 13:53:55 Okay. 13:53:57 Okay, any other? Questions so we will we will set up that meeting but you know really no obligation to be there just it sounds like a good opportunity so if people want to join We have we're going to facilitate that. 13:54:12 And next up, you know, brief committee updates and the point in time counts. Is, I know I've done point of time with, I think, Aslin and Julia and Peggy before or other people going to participating in the point in time count? 13:54:28 What is anyone not this here? 13:54:32 Okay. There hasn't been. 13:54:37 I am. 13:54:29 Has there been any notice from? I mean, last year they started preparing in December and I'm a little worried that that it's gonna go, oh dear. 13:54:46 I am. 13:54:40 Well, I will reach out. I'm just wondering, you know, who's interested and I, it's on my calendar to, to enter interface with them, I'll make sure that, you know, that everyone knows about it, but Julia and Peggy I see are at least interested in participate. 13:55:00 Right. 13:54:56 Well, I will be at the winner welcoming center like I am every year. During this. And I'm sure. 13:55:03 I try to stop Julia from participating. I dare you. 13:55:06 Yeah. 13:55:11 Okay, so I will make sure to get out information about what's what are the planning. Procedures for for the the point in time count this year next couple days And, other committee updates brief. 13:55:27 I mean, we'll. We'll dig back in. Committee conversations has no updates. 13:55:34 Kinda just spun down the year. Any other committee updates? 13:55:41 The data needs assessment committee. 13:55:46 I had a meeting in December. We followed through on, preparing for the January, the 20 sixth and getting everybody agreement that it was a good idea. 13:55:59 And, The thing we also. Put down our latest notes. And consolidated them and have issued our input for. 13:56:15 The 5. The annual report for the 5 year plan. And, the only piece of data that we're kind of missing right now or the overall HMIS numbers. 13:56:29 And. The actual request for where was our annual report went out to only cap we were informed today. 13:56:42 So, this kind of fits with getting in, the 5 year plan. I said if there was any. 13:56:52 Any difference in not being able to issue it in the near future, I would let only cat know so they can kind of circular report back to commerce, but. 13:57:04 So essentially commerce is asked to only cap. Where's that? Where's the annual report? 13:57:11 So. 13:57:17 So I sent sent the, our report. Input to both Greg and Aslan, just confirming. Guys got it. 13:57:28 Okay. 13:57:26 Yep. Then. 13:57:28 Okay. Can you support that email from commerce? 13:57:34 I didn't get an email from commerce. I got it from, and I will forward that to you. 13:57:41 Yes. 13:57:41 Great. Thank you. 13:57:41 Cool. Alright. Thank you, Vicki. Thanks for bird dog and that. 13:57:49 Are people responsive getting the data back to you or agencies? I saw some. 13:57:53 Yeah. We yes, we have a complete, inventory, that was reviewed by everybody. 13:58:06 Would be good to discuss where we're gonna locate that. I assume somewhere on our housing one board biases. 13:58:15 But I would, maybe I will under separate email, email that to, Carolyn so that she can input it onto the file system. 13:58:27 So we have a record of what that housing stock inventory looked like. I think the piece that's changing and that I remarked in the, my report is that We have to have some cognizance that things are expiring in for some of the subsidized affordable housing. 13:58:54 And I know piggy's brought up specific projects, but to be aware of that because we need to attend to that as well as to. 13:59:07 And so we've been terms of the number of subsidized affordable housing units. We're basically treading water right now with the with expiring units and then trying to add. 13:59:21 Some on so they'll only cap or added 36 units were basically about the same level we were 4 years ago. 13:59:31 That's waiting. 13:59:31 So it's important to keep that in mind. I think. 13:59:36 Yeah. And is there, I mean, when Peggy brought this up before, I think we've kind of banned it about whether there was. 13:59:43 You know, an opportunity for advocacy to keep those units in, as affordable housing, you know. 13:59:50 Cause often it's, you know, a venture capital company is gonna buy the apartment and, Yeah, that's that's a fear in my head on all these. 13:59:59 In some. I was just gonna say the 2 I am aware of. One is garden court and the housing authority is the, general partner. 14:00:11 And I suspect we will buy out the limited partner and maintain ownership and rehab. So. I'm not worried about Garden Court. 13:59:58 But. Hello. Yeah, go ahead, 14:00:21 Kearney Street Apartments. Yeah, I'm worried about that. Because somebody will have to come in. 14:00:29 And basically, because it's got USDA. A money in it and it makes it very complicated. 14:00:37 And, go through a lot of work to, retain those units. So. And I don't know who that is that would come in and take those over. 14:00:48 So what entity is. 14:00:51 Thanks for that nuance, Peggy. And I see you, Julie. I'm just. 14:00:55 I'm wondering if there's a, you know, a role for some of the, $1590 or something and keeping those in. 14:01:04 Yeah, I don't know. Using 14:01:06 You need a lot more than that. 14:01:07 Not, you know, to, the carrot, a piece of the carrot. 14:01:13 Yes, Julia. 14:01:15 So couldn't the city county us? Find a staff member and say, can you figure this out? 14:01:26 You actually, you need a, housing provider. Who is willing to go the route so the housing authority there's a there's actually a similar situation the expo apartments in forks and they're going through this process and it's very long and painful but they they're getting funding grant funding out of the state. 14:01:49 To be able to do it, but. Some entity has to take it on and, and, you know, kind of go the route and Go for the funding and deal with that current owner, etc. 14:02:00 So. It's more about finding a provider who's willing to step up to do it. That's 14:02:09 When we had a young housing trust. 14:02:09 And the role of the staff person to approach all the local providers and say are you interested? 14:02:16 Like 3 h. But 14:02:18 I could do that. 14:02:22 Okay. 14:02:17 I mean, we'd have to take these 15, you know, I, we don't have that capacity built in right now. 14:02:28 So, I mean, it's possible, but I think as Peggy says, you know, it's we still really 14:02:32 You know that we should talk to Duff House. It's across the street from them. 14:02:36 Hmm. 14:02:41 Yeah. 14:02:37 Hmm. Hmm. Let, let me talk to you. Maybe, maybe. 14:02:50 Yeah. 14:02:46 Cool. Yeah, now there's a People looking for a path. Okay, well we can't dig into it too much, but any other, I guess there's, I think, all all the active committees other than that. 14:03:00 Alright, anyone that I missed on committee updates? Okay. 14:03:09 Yes. 14:03:05 No, but if we're doing next steps and closing. I'll use that general broad umbrella to, to talk about the. 14:03:16 Opportunity. I think the comp plan city and county count plans will provide where you know we are required to come to concurrence between the 2 jurisdictions on how many units of housing we plan to add at different AMI levels. 14:03:32 And so I think we should consider if there's a role for the housing fund board to be. 14:03:38 You know, kind of participating in that discussion and it would be nice if it was in alignment with, with our 5 year plan as well. 14:03:48 So just something to be thinking about. Ahead of ahead of the curve as our planning directors and staff start working on that. 14:03:58 Let's, try and be sure that we're all communicating on that and coming up with the same numbers. 14:04:05 Yeah. 14:04:05 Which is why the planning staff is being invited to the January 20 sixth meeting because of that tie and why our base numbers looking at our base numbers are different than what commerce originally started with. 14:04:27 So this is important linkage, hopefully that we can all get on the same page. Around how that HMS I data feeds into their projections and. 14:04:42 So yeah, they're invited and they're eager to come and they're asking questions about performance measures as well. 14:04:53 Great, thanks. And I mean, I think we're still gonna struggle that the, you know, AMI is not the right tool for actually talking about affordability. 14:05:06 And, you know, commerce keeps getting that feedback, but I think we have to keep pounding on that. 14:05:12 Yep. Go ahead, Peggy. 14:05:14 I'll just add that, I've been working with habitat on the Mason Street project and another, source of information. 14:05:26 Assuming habitat is willing to share is that. They have hired a professional market study firm. And paying some considerable money. 14:05:37 To have a complete market study done. And housing needs and demographics and housing needs and all of that. 14:05:46 So. And this is a firm that's Does this is a business? So that could be another source of information. 14:05:59 East Jefferson County. 14:05:56 Specifically for Port Hadlock or for the whole Jefferson County. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 14:06:00 Excellent. 14:06:02 The city also approved in our legislative agenda last night to see, addressing the AMI issue as something we are going to. 14:06:12 Press on. 14:06:14 Yeah, I think. 14:06:14 Right. So I'm curious, are you pressing the state or HUD? 14:06:20 Both. 14:06:23 Okay. 14:06:21 Oh, both. Okay. Oh good luck. 14:06:25 Yeah. You know, you keep putting 14:06:27 Never never got anywhere by just being compliant, Peggy. 14:06:33 Cool. Okay, thanks for that, Kate. Any other next steps? 14:06:41 Okay, well, thank you guys for making time for this. I'm glad we open it up and we can we can help move the woodily place on so happy for that. 14:06:51 And with that, good to see everyone. Happy New Year and we are. 14:06:55 So are we going to say what happens to the rest of the money it's left over? Does that just get put into the pot for next year? 14:07:01 Just roll though for next year. Yep. 14:07:03 Okay, fine. I'm fine with it. 14:07:08 Okay. 14:07:07 Okay, well, would that we are adjourned. We'll see you guys on the twenty- fourth, maybe the 20 fifth, maybe the 20 sixth. 14:07:14 Okay. 14:07:14 Just making up days now. Just.