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09:00:25 I'm set up.
09:00:45 Courthouse, bell.
09:00:48 Is everybody ready to go.
09:00:54 Yeah. Carolyn, yeah.
09:00:57 Alright!
09:01:00 Good morning, everyone. This meeting with the Jefferson County Board of County Commissioners to order.
09:01:05 We did have a slight change in our agenda. We are going to discuss this morning, the July 10.th Change in fire, danger level and burn restrictions from moderate to high. So
we do have.
09:01:20 Still sincere. Here a fire marshal and
09:01:24 For our new ordinance our fire marshal is authorized to make the changes in.
09:01:31 Fire risk declaration with consultation of the fire chiefs, and then to brief us at our next regular meeting, so that we would do this before public comment, in case there was
any interest in discussing this publicly. So I'll pass it up to you, Phil. Good morning.
09:01:46 Excellent. Thank you. Commissioners appreciate you making this concession to let me be here this morning. It was a little bit rush trying to get this in again. This was the
10, th which was Wednesday afternoon, with the fire chiefs and the.
09:01:59 Latest weather, briefing.
09:02:02 That we saw that there was definitely something that needed to happen. The Commissioner Public Lands, declaring a high
09:02:09 Burn restriction for all of Washington State on State lands.
09:02:14 And then shortly thereafter our area, the central lowlands for Dnr. Also escalated follow suit.
09:02:21 So it was a little bit of a preemptive measure. But one of the things that we're striving I'm striving to do this year is to get the message out before the weekend. A lot of
the stuff on Dnr. Comes out on Friday, and it's really hard to get that message out before the weekend.
09:02:36 So hence, you know the the rush. I'm trying to get everything out there on social media. Think we did a pretty decent job. Unfortunately, I had a couple of different versions
of things, and
09:02:46 We had to.
09:02:48 Change up the the declaration a little bit to be a little bit add some clarity for folks as to what exactly will prohibited activities.
09:02:57 That being said, moving forward, the chiefs have been pinging me this weekend. There's been a new weather model that came out on Saturday the call for some some lightning risk.
09:03:08 In our area. So this could be a possibility that we could be amending this again relatively quickly. The goal. Here again is.
09:03:17 We don't want to play this like a yo-yo. I don't want to go up and down to keep changing this weekly, you know.
09:03:21 Wanna make this easy for the public to understand. And
09:03:27 Would like to make as little changes as possible to this. I don't wanna go to a very high would be our next
09:03:35 Level that we would escalate to, and then, you know, a week later, bring it back down to high. We will. We have to. But again try to stick with a little bit of consistency and
a little bit if we start playing with them too much. I fear that folks in the public are are not going to tune in, and they're they're going to. You know.
09:03:52 Not adhere to those standards nearly as much.
09:03:54 So.
09:03:57 Great and for the public benefits. You mind just listing what the high fire danger designation means in terms of what the public can, is now restricted from doing.
09:04:07 Absolutely so so the prohibited items little changes as possible. I don't wanna go to a very high with our next
09:04:19 With escalate to, and then, you know, week later rescues. Oh, Hi! We will! I've got a terrible echo. Is anybody else getting that with a little bit of consistency.
09:04:27 So, Phil, you have your AV capture running. If you go to your browser and find AV pause, the video.
09:04:35 It's okay, Phil. I do it, too.
09:04:42 Awesome, terribly sorry for that. Thank you very much for that. I cannot figure out where it's coming from. Thank you.
09:04:48 All fits.
09:04:50 So that there's a high fire. Hazard does a couple of things. One of the immediate things that does is it bans fireworks, which is kind of a moot point at this point after we're
past the the July 4th holiday.
09:05:02 Other thing that it does is, it prohibits the use of charcoal briquettes.
09:05:09 In areas where, if you were camping, or if you were in the public parks, anything like that, so you could still use them at home.
09:05:17 In a listed and labeled barbecue device. So the idea there that folks, you know that are at home will be a little bit more.
09:05:26 Diligent, and taking care of their unburnes, and letting them go out, extinguishing them correctly, as opposed to being in a campground or in a public park, you know where they're
09:05:38 Dumping, burning ash in a in a garbage can, or something like that. So that's the desire there is is to get people away from doing those high risk activities in public areas
just at home, at your residence.
09:05:51 One of the things that a high declaration of high fire also does. Is it limits targeting.
09:05:56 To ranges no use of targets or incendiary ammunition.
09:06:01 Hunting is still allowed in public air, in open areas. We're hunting is still allowed. But the goal again, there is to try to limit those activities in areas that are unimproved
properties.
09:06:14 We already talked about fireworks and outdoor burning is restriction. This ends recreational burning. So no camp fires at this point. Open brush burning, and things of that
nature have been closed in previous.
09:06:29 Fire, elevations, fire, danger levels.
09:06:33 Thank you. I curtailed my plans for a barbecue at East Beach last night.
09:06:39 What?
09:06:39 Hope.
09:06:39 Appreciate that, Richard. Thank you.
09:06:44 While they were previously cooked we couldn't cook them at East Beach. Oh, my goodness.
09:06:47 It was, okay.
09:06:49 Questions, comments.
09:06:51 No, I mean it's it's dry out there. I've I spent most of the weekend my 2 houses worth of gorgeous gardens right.
09:07:00 My promise to my my now deceased mom is that I will not kill her at least in the 1st year. So I've been watering a lot, and
09:07:08 We.
09:07:09 It's it's like you water and the dirt just kind of fluffs.
09:07:14 And so, you know, to get the water to. Actually, I mean, it's dry.
09:07:18 It's and it feels very dry out there. So this totally made, I actually that when I saw the Dnr declaration before you declared this Phil, I was like, oh, here we go! We're next
so.
09:07:31 I was not surprised, and
09:07:35 And I'm grateful that we're urging caution.
09:07:39 Yeah. I echo that. Thank you. Phil.
09:07:42 I appreciate your analysis as well as the determination and the effort not to yo-yo up and down, but just kind of make you know.
09:07:50 Smooth modifications to the the fire hazard level. You know.
09:07:54 In lock step with our partner agency. So.
09:07:57 Thank you.
09:07:58 Excellent. Thank you very much. So one thing that I will note on here as well if we do. Make it to the next fire. Danger rating of very high the only additional thing that will
be added oh, the only additional prohibition activity that will be added, is that we will restrict charcoal.
09:08:18 From
09:08:20 Using at your residence. So at that point it'll be barbecue grills, and I'm sorry propane fired barbecue grills and wood fired, only reasoning for that again, is because the.
09:08:31 The ability to shut that down with the flip of a switch.
09:08:35 Rather than having to wait for your charcoal to go out.
09:08:40 And having to deal with those burning members.
09:08:42 So.
09:08:42 So when you say wood fired girls, do you mean pellet girls? You don't mean like.
09:08:46 Yeah, right? Okay.
09:08:46 Correct. Correct. I like grills. Yes, thank you for that.
09:08:48 Got the right logs in your cheerful yeah, yeah, no. I've I've seen it done. Guys. One question. So you talked about the potential for lightning does that? I assume that's talk.
You're talking about wildfire risk and prairies and things like that. But does that also come with with more
09:09:08 Moisture.
09:09:09 Is it gonna perhaps lower the.
09:09:12 The danger lack. At the same time.
09:09:14 It could. And it's a it's. It's a developing situation, you know. 7 days is really the perfect weather outlook. Risk of of lightning has gone down now as looking at this morning's
but the chiefs have all been watching this very closely, and been
09:09:32 Having kind of a.
09:09:34 Informal email, we've been going back and forth and discussing different options here. Another thing to consider, too, is that even though we might not be at the highest threat
level here on the Peninsula.
09:09:47 There is a lot that's going on over Nisha Washington, and that was one of the reasons that the.
09:09:51 Public Lands Commissioner.
09:09:54 Set the decoration what they did, because we have so many.
09:09:58 Cruz and efforts that are being put in other areas that would not be available to us.
09:10:02 Should we get into a situation where we would require them all on fires, you know, and
09:10:10 Yakima! Right now.
09:10:11 So, and then Oregon is is quite a has quite a few birds going on right now as well. So should we need that.
09:10:20 Interagency assistance, it might not be available or might be delayed. All of the the aerials and everything are over there already working on fire, so.
09:10:32 So it's not necessarily the worst case scenario. But we wouldn't have any of that backup. Should we get into one of those situations we're trying to limit the
09:10:42 The risk that we would be into one of those situations.
09:10:46 They voted.
09:10:47 We have had a number of brush fires in the county the last few days. Any of them of any concern or or lessons learned at this point.
09:10:56 We did have one. I have not heard any reports that any of them were fireworks related. There were a couple that were human caused. One is a suspected arson.
09:11:07 There is a couple of them that that we've been looking into. But no, nothing at this time, really that definitive to relay.
09:11:15 And all, all seem to resolve fairly quickly.
09:11:19 Yes, correct. Yeah. They were all relatively minor in scale, and was great for us. But again, should they get out of hand? If I thought, you know, we're worried about our
09:11:29 A response that we could
09:11:33 I could lend to that.
09:11:37 Okay, so we asked the public to not participate in arson at this time.
09:11:43 People.
09:11:44 Alright anything else.
09:11:49 I don't believe so. I'm here for any questions. If anybody has any.
09:11:52 Okay? And we do not need to take action. So this is the 1st run with our new ordinance. And
09:12:00 Like you, said Phil. The timing always makes a little bit tricky, but I think we managed it pretty well. So good work.
09:12:07 Thank you very much. I appreciate that.
09:12:10 Yeah, Phil, appreciate your leadership on this. I know it's a a tall ask of you to take this on. In addition to all your building official work. So.
09:12:18 Appreciate you holding a dual role and doing so well at it.
09:12:22 Okay.
09:12:23 Excellent. Thank you very much.
09:12:24 Let's pick around the public comment. And Phil, since there might be some public comments related to this. It'd be great if you have time to stick around and see if there's
any questions or response.
09:12:37 Absolutely. I will do so.
09:12:39 Thank you so much.
09:12:41 Alright. And now back to our regular programming.
09:12:44 So we will
09:12:48 Have public comment this morning available to anybody in the room as well as anybody on Zoom. We asked that you keep your comment to 3Â min to give everybody an equal opportunity
to speak and address any item, and please direct it towards the commissioners.
09:13:03 It is not required, but it's helpful if you state your name and where you live.
09:13:07 And we.
09:13:10 Welcome comments on any issue. So let's start with the zoom room today.
09:13:16 Who in the zoom room would like to provide public comment. Please hit the raise hand button at the bottom of the screen. You will then be prompted to accept a promotion panelist
and have up to 3Â min.
09:13:29 Good morning, Mr. Tears.
09:13:32 Hey? Good morning, Commissioners!
09:13:34 I just wanted to
09:13:37 Thank you.
09:13:38 For having a announcement here about the fire danger level and all that stuff. The beginning of the meeting really important to keep the public informed.
09:13:46 And along those lines it occurs to me that.
09:13:49 Very few people end up visiting ejafr.org.
09:13:56 Not a whole lot of people even know about it.
09:13:57 So getting the word out to the public.
09:14:01 Broadly.
09:14:03 Is, is the key to to keeping for us to keep each other safe.
09:14:08 So then, if you then I looked at the county's homepage.
09:14:12 If you log on to Jefferson County's homepage, there is a whole bunch of real estate at the top.
09:14:17 With a pretty picture.
09:14:19 Conveys no information.
09:14:21 Could we set aside a little bit at the very top of the banner.
09:14:25 Just that maybe that dial, you know the red, green dial.
09:14:30 That shows the current fire danger level. Just put that at the top of the page and link that, of course, with a hyperlink underneath the Graphic, so that it goes to the explanation
of what that danger level means.
09:14:42 At ejafr.org.
09:14:45 Cause. That's cause. There's no other relationship between the 2 agencies between the county.
09:14:49 And the Fire District.
09:14:51 In terms of weblinks.
09:14:52 So that would be my recommendation, suggestion, and request.
09:14:55 Thanks very much.
09:14:58 Thank you.
09:15:00 And we will respond at the end of all public comments.
09:15:03 Good morning, Julia.
09:15:09 Good morning!
09:15:12 I mind, really brief, as I just wanted to.
09:15:16 That. So the shelter Coalition meetings are really valuable, and
09:15:22 There was an issue with having them in person.
09:15:24 But there's an issue with not having them in person. So I have done a middle ground, which is that I'll be streaming meetings at the Recovery Cafe.
09:15:36 And I. So I'm announcing that. So anybody who.
09:15:40 Has trouble, having access.
09:15:41 Can hear this hopefully.
09:15:43 I'll also put up signs here and there. The other thing is is that I need to know if it's literally every other week, or if it's like the 1st and the 3, rd or something of every
month.
09:15:54 Because that.
09:15:56 Because I'm reserving a space a private room at the Recovery. So that's.
09:16:00 A question.
09:16:02 That's it. I hope you all have a great week.
09:16:05 Thanks so much, Julia.
09:16:08 Anyone else unwind on zoom.
09:16:11 Please hit raise hand.
09:16:14 I will!
09:16:16 Come back to you all in a minute.
09:16:19 Who in the room would like to buy public comments.
09:16:22 Maggie Morning.
09:16:30 Good stuff today. Okay, so last night one of the monitors went around with.
09:16:37 Paperwork from Bayside, and it was an roi.
09:16:41 And I asked her if I could look at it, and she wouldn't let go of the paper, and she stood over me.
09:16:48 And I said I would like to take this and look at it. It was a full long page.
09:16:55 And she said no, and she took it away from me, and.
09:17:00 Then this morning.
09:17:03 I asked them, Elizabeth, who's the shelter manager now, if I could look at the paper and everything was in disarray. Papers here, papers here papers here, papers here, and she
couldn't find it, and she found
09:17:17 Another
09:17:20 2 paper thing that was like turned out to be some code of conduct thing. I couldn't find my glasses so I couldn't read it.
09:17:28 But it turns out they're telling people they can't take any.
09:17:34 Of these unsigned, UN.
09:17:37 Cop copy papers out of their shelter to have an advocate. Look at them, and and if you can't read, that's just too bad. You have to sign it, anyway, without the benefit of an
advocate.
09:17:51 And the way the papers were looking.
09:17:57 Or it looks like the people on the list.
09:18:00 We're people who had retaliated against
09:18:04 Consumers there with the violating the Fair Housing Act, and they wanted a release of information so.
09:18:15 If if.
09:18:16 They want to.
09:18:18 I say in in a few months.
09:18:21 File the class action. They want information to be able to retaliate against people, and people are being threatened.
09:18:29 That. They're gonna be kicked out if they don't sign this, and they can't take it to a legal advocate to have a legal advocate. Look at look at it!
09:18:39 And that that, and also one of the rois is the Legion, and people tell me they're afraid of the people there.
09:18:51 Thursday last Thursday.
09:18:54 A guy. Put.
09:18:57 A book on the ground that said something about home remedies, and it was across the street from the Legion.
09:19:07 I picked it up.
09:19:11 Metal measure thing, you know, that's using construction.
09:19:17 Sprung out of it, and he had cut a hole in this thing, and when he came to take it from me, I said, why did you do that? And he said, Oh, I just wanted to have fun with the
shelter, and it turns out he, you know he's in the army. He had a motorcycle, and it turns out that they don't like us up up there, and we're kind of afraid of them.
09:19:41 And one of they are on one of the release of information, and they're very hostile to us. And and so I I just, I think we're.
09:19:53 Being bullied.
09:19:54 So I would like you guys to respond to that.
09:19:58 Thank you, Megan.
09:20:00 Anyone else in the room like public comment.
09:20:04 Rick. I got back to the zoom room.
09:20:11 Bring me over now.
09:20:24 Bring over.
09:20:25 Lori Megan. Excuse me, pick up the name on. Go ahead, Shelley. Good morning.
09:20:30 Good morning. I was hoping I was expecting Mrs. Barringer, from Brennan to speak this morning, and I wanted to follow her, but I don't want to lose out on my opportunity. So
I'm gonna go ahead. I have a couple of things this morning.
09:20:48 I would ask all 3 of the Commissioners. I know you can't all go together, or maybe there's a way you can, or I'm not sure how it works, but I'd like to ask all 3 of you commissioners
to see if you can't arrange a tour of the pleasant harbor resort property. I understand none of you have been there.
09:21:11 And they are struggling to work their way through the.
09:21:17 Permit process, and I think it would be good for you guys to have some idea of what.
09:21:26 They are working on, and it's a fantastic property, and I think it would be really helpful to all of you to do that so I would implore you to make that happen.
09:21:39 Second.
09:21:40 In Brennan. We have, continued to have a problem with our notorious husband, duo
09:21:50 I'm not going to name any names, you know who I'm talking about. They are continuing to case properties in the we hours of the morning.
09:22:02 We continue to call for police help.
09:22:08 One of the things that happened this.
09:22:12 Time was, one of the deputies said, Oh, well, they don't drive a white truck. They drive a black truck.
09:22:20 And if you don't have surveillance footage of showing a face of them in a white truck, there's nothing we can do. Well, that's ridiculous number one. You're not required to
drive the same truck when you're committing criminal activities, and 2 of.
09:22:37 Police deputy should have the ability to, especially with these 2. They know what they look like, and they should have the ability to look at footage and see whether or not
they can recognize these people. There's gonna be somebody get hurt. It's gonna be either one of them or one of us, and neither should be the case. This should be something that should
be able to be handled.
09:23:01 They've had multiple cases in Jefferson County multiple cases in Mason County. They're always booked.
09:23:09 A bail set that they can that they can reach, and they're released. And they're committing crimes immediately. So we need to do something about this because.
09:23:20 A death isn't what anyone any of us want on our hands. Thank you.
09:23:25 Thank you. Shelley.
09:23:28 Good morning, Lori.
09:23:33 Good morning. I had to unmute myself.
09:23:36 Thank you very much, Commissioners, for the opportunity to speak. My name is Lori Mcgann, and I'm the Communications Coordinator at the Port Townsend Paper Company.
09:23:44 And we are a company in town.
09:23:50 That draws a little bit of attention.
09:23:52 Last.
09:23:53 Last week we attended the Atsdr meeting about the Air quality report that was recently released, and I just wanted to make a quick public statement about that, so that our community
has a little bit more information. First, st I'll say that my email address for anyone who wants.
09:24:13 To contact us is communications at Ptc.
09:24:19 Dot com.
09:24:21 The mill in Port Townsend has operated continuously since 1,928, and we are very proud of our commitment to the environment and the community.
09:24:29 Ptc. Is a craft paper mill, producing unbleached pulp.
09:24:34 Craft, paper, and container board, which we shift to our customers to be made into various products.
09:24:38 We use a blend of virgin wood, which is wood chips from salmu, residual.
09:24:44 To create pulp, while the craft, paper, and container board are made from a blend of woods and occitrated boxes. Our paper machines are driven by steam, which is produced an
on-site boilers, and our recovery boiler runs on byproducts from the paper, making process to create steam for those machines, and that reduces the need for consumption of fossil fuels
which reduces our carbon footprint significantly.
09:25:09 While we do burn bark and landscape waste in our biomass boiler.
09:25:14 Most of what the community sees, as smoke coming from our plant is water, vapor, and steam that is released during the paper, making process.
09:25:23 The mail did change processes several years ago to reduce the total sulfur compounds from the digestors. And that's wasn't a topic of significant discussion at the Atsdr meetings
last week.
09:25:38 We also discontinued use of the Mnd digestor, which was a sawdust cooker, taking it completely offline. That resulted in a total removal of that source of emissions, and we
continue to work with ecology to ensure that we're operating in a manner in compliance with the permits that all paper mills in Washington stay operate under at both the State.
09:25:59 And federal levels.
09:26:01 Information about our operating permits can be found at the Department of Ecology's websites. That's open information for anybody who wants to take a look at it.
09:26:10 Atlas holdings acquired us in October of 22, and since that time we've been engaged in catching up on years of deferred maintenance.
09:26:19 To stabilize our processes and increase our reliability, and some of that maintenance has included the Clones, which are essentially air scrubbers to reduce emissions. We've
upgraded our boiler system, and we're continuing maintenance on the Asb ponds.
09:26:35 This is essential work that we have to complete.
09:26:38 Before we can begin looking into alternative sources and methods. I I wanna assure the community that we are very well aware of the problems. We're aware of the smell. That's
the big thing for everyone. But we are working on it. And please feel free to contact me. If anyone has any other questions. Thank you very much for the time.
09:26:58 Thank you. Lori.
09:27:01 Alright, I'm gonna close public comments, and we have a few minutes for response.
09:27:07 Oh, I can start. Thank you, everyone for the comments today. I'll work through them as as we heard them.
09:27:14 Mr. Tears. I think the suggestion to.
09:27:17 Put the fire relative fire danger at that banner seems like a great, a great, a great idea. So we'll follow up on that and if I don't know, Phil is sound reasonable to you,
Phil, to have that posted up there.
09:27:31 Absolutely. So I just wanna call everybody's attention to when you go to the Dcd. So.
09:27:36 You know the web page.
09:27:38 It does. It is in the lower right hand corner. As soon as you click on the fire marks page, it is on a splash page we also have a new resources page which have all of the fire
district listed not just East Jefferson.
09:27:50 But cool seeing Brennan discovery both of the Cloud County Fire districts that are contracted to to do work in the Jefferson County, as well as the State Fire Marshes office
and the Jefferson County sheriff's office. So we do have.
09:28:04 Quick links to all that as well as non emergency phone numbers.
09:28:07 To all those entities.
09:28:09 If we can do it on the main web page, I think that'd be fantastic. I can definitely work with. I guess, Wendy, to make that happen. But yeah, absolutely. We do have it on all
the stuff within Dcd, but not on the main. Jefferson County Web page.
09:28:22 I think that would be a great little addition. I appreciate that.
09:28:25 Fantastic.
09:28:26 That is additional context as well.
09:28:27 And then, Julie, I'm sorry. I thought I responded to your email. But it is every other week the Shelter Coalition and I really appreciate you.
09:28:34 Having that in person to create a hybrid option at the recovery. It's a it's a great feature, and I appreciate you making it more accessible to people.
09:28:42 And so to repeat, it's not the 1st and 3rd weekend, but every other week.
09:28:46 Tuesdays at 11, and all are welcome. It's not a public meeting, but go to the recovery or ask someone for the the link, and we'll we'll get you into the zoom room.
09:28:57 To Maggie. I'm you know.
09:28:59 I'm.
09:29:00 Happy to help with the release of information. It sounds a little sketchy. You have my email address, too. I you know.
09:29:06 I'm gonna step away from Bay side. But you know, send emails. And I'm not sure why they wouldn't let people take a release of information away.
09:29:12 I'll make sure to invite Bob sharing from the Legion to the next shelter coalition. He's always invited, too, but we're trying to really create communication, and you know,
1 1 bad egg that might be a a.
09:29:24 A Legion member, you know, pranking folks at the shelter. If that is, that's what happened as you attest.
09:29:31 Doesn't, doesn't speak to everyone there, too, and I know that a lot of them are. I mean.
09:29:36 They're they're allowing us to continue the shelter. So as an organization, at least they are supportive of continuing the emergency shelter at the American Legion.
09:29:44 But I will follow up on that.
09:29:47 To Shelley.
09:29:48 I did see the note from as Berenger.
09:29:51 You know I kind of would reach out to the sheriff's office. I don't know much about the situation. I was just.
09:29:57 You know
09:29:59 Yeah, I I would defer to the sheriff on management of the deputies. But I will. You reach out, because otherwise we'll all be reaching out. No, no, okay, I'll reach out to get
an update. And regarding Pleasant Harbor I I have been and had a tour of the pleasant harbor property.
09:30:16 With
09:30:18 With Garth and
09:30:20 You know there is a thousand page plus agreement between the the county and and pleasant harbor, and I don't pretend to be an expert in anyone that's having a struggle with
permitting. I will go out and visit their property, and usually I give the cold comfort of.
09:30:38 I'm a planning manager, but let me know what's going on, and would love to learn more about the the development of of the pleasant harbor resort. I think it'll be a real economic
boom to the county, so I am a fan.
09:30:50 Let's see.
09:30:52 Glory. I was at the at Sdr. Meeting as well, and I I appreciate the.
09:30:57 The information you gave today, and I'll.
09:31:00 Add to what you said a little bit, that the exposure investigation that that was reported on, and the conclusions drawn were from.
09:31:09 Several months, 10 week period, I think, in 2,018, before Atlas bought it before the sulfur compounds were, you know.
09:31:16 The processes that were adjusted. I can't speak to.
09:31:19 Everything about the reduction of sulfur compounds that are released into the air. But I will just give the.
09:31:25 Kind of summation of the report quickly, that in 2,018 my interpretation were pretty much that.
09:31:33 You know, if you have a cute, if you have respiratory issues, there are moments of spikes that that can cause acute impacts, but probably not chronic health impacts, and that's
I guess how I would.
09:31:47 Summarize the report. But I I do appreciate that port company, our our largest private employer in Jefferson County, and also seeing the.
09:31:56 In an enclosure of the Mckinley plant and the impacts to everyone, from those directly impacted to the downstream economy to.
09:32:05 The healthcare system that relies on large private in employers. We, you know.
09:32:11 We we appreciate having you there. So.
09:32:15 I think that's that's it.
09:32:17 Sorry with a lot of what Greg said. I'm just add a few things. I, Maggie. I absolutely agree that people should have access to documents they're signing, and I.
09:32:26 So yes.
09:32:28 You're here to ask.
09:32:32 To Shelley are now. I also was took a tour of the pleasant harbor.
09:32:38 Property.
09:32:40 Almost about 4 years ago, so I think for a new tour would be a, you know, a good thing to see what's what's going on down there. But I have been on the property multiple times,
and most recently, about 4 years ago.
09:32:53 Appreciated seeing the extent of the property and.
09:32:56 The old kind of infrastructure that exists there. I.
09:33:00 Didn't really understand why that had been a camp.
09:33:04 And you know, so that that was.
09:33:06 That was kind of fun piece of history to learn.
09:33:12 Let's see, and on the I also have taken a recent tour of the Portons and paper.
09:33:18 Mel and
09:33:20 Understand firsthand the effects of deferred maintenance on the mill, and appreciate atlases, tackling the deferred maintenance and.
09:33:29 Just this morning, as I was driving into town, saw Dtg. Which is.
09:33:34 Large scale,
09:33:37 Recycler in our region that I've worked closely with on recycling.
09:33:40 Fiberglass boat holes, and they are innovators. And I, whatever it said on their truck, I just it's made me smile.
09:33:49 They're really love their people and love the environment. And I'm glad to see them working closely with them. The paper mill and.
09:33:57 Hope that we can.
09:33:59 Do more innovation and recycling in our region in the years to come, and I believe, with people like Fort Townsend and.
09:34:06 Dt. Partnering that that that will happen.
09:34:11 Let's see.
09:34:14 Yeah. And Julia, great work getting those meetings. I just believe in access.
09:34:20 Everyone should have access who wants it to information. And I I appreciate people going the extra mile to make it happen. So.
09:34:28 That's it for me.
09:34:29 Alright, I'll add just a couple of things, and I'm sorry for everyone in the room. We're running a few minutes behind, of course.
09:34:37 As for our website was interesting. I said I was
09:34:41 It had a a scheduled barbecue at East Beach County Park this weekend and
09:34:48 Even, you know, we have been deep in the discussion of burn bands and spire restrictions. Even then I had to. I was. I wanted to remind myself of what the exact rules were.
Mostly. Could I have my camper ban there and be cooking on propane, since I knew that the shark over cats were not allowed. Went to our homepage.
09:35:06 Not no mention of the new fire restrictions.
09:35:09 And then said, Oh, and there was also a you know the water quality swimming.
09:35:17 Restriction place to East Beach, so again went to our page, trying to find that information not available had to go to a college. I ended up going to scene.
09:35:27 By our district done a really good job of getting information on their site. So I went there for the fire. Information went to ecology for the swimming beach information and
thought, okay, our our home page needs to be a little easier to navigate, which we've all known and talked about. So.
09:35:40 Agreed.
09:35:42 Other things quickly. I have toured Peasant harbor also with Garth and it is beautiful property. It's a really special place that
09:35:54 While it be is being developed, also needs to be protected. And that's why we have the 30 conditions for development there that protect a lot of the environmental qualities
there and trying to strike the right balance. Of course.
09:36:08 As for law enforcement, yes, very much issue of the policies of the sheriff. Glad to be carrying that forward. Do just wanna acknowledge how discouraging it is for communities
to feel.
09:36:19 In fear of their safety, of personal property or themselves, and so definitely hear that that frustration.
09:36:29 And quickly on the mill. Thank you, Ms. Mcdan, for joining us, and just to let commissioners know I did ask Dr. Barry to provide a response and briefing for us on her interpretation
of that report. So we'll be getting some some health wasn't time for porting health this week, so
09:36:51 Perhaps next month, or we could request it sooner. My analysis wasn't enough. Actually, I've heard. Conclusion was very similar. Yeah, that was that was astute, but she was
responding.
09:37:03 So look forward to that.
09:37:06 Alright anything else on public comment before we move on.
09:37:09 Alright!
09:37:10 Well, I'm very excited. We have a.
09:37:13 Next item on our agenda is recognition of outstanding public service for Bob Wheeler and Montreal. So I don't.
09:37:25 And I'm definitely I'm definitely gonna.
09:37:35 I like your fiscal analysis of this one.
09:37:42 Yes, so.
09:37:45 If you.
09:37:47 Comments, and then
09:37:50 The board.
09:37:52 We certainly make some.
09:37:55 We have.
09:37:57 A proclamation, as you said, to recognize your service.
09:38:03 Significant wastewater treatment. Plant constructed.
09:38:06 And the board of the signing letter, and then we have it frame for you.
09:38:11 So once we get the sign version, I'll replace this
09:38:16 The screen version.
09:38:18 Here.
09:38:20 So
09:38:21 Why are we here?
09:38:24 Well.
09:38:25 Bob even asked you, retiring again. I don't know.
09:38:32 So
09:38:37 I don't know if there'll ever be an end of a career for Bob. Maybe the end of a public works career that includes some significant accomplishments. I mean, Bob, you were the
utilities director for the City of Boulder.
09:38:49 1980, s.
09:38:51 That's a.
09:38:52 Very large city. You were the public Works director for the city, 4,000 for over a decade, and.
09:38:58 Many accomplishments there, including.
09:39:02 Getting the current wastewater treatment facility constructed in city for Townsend. Dave Peterson.
09:39:10 You went on to become a.
09:39:13 President of the Company's public outreach and strategy Development Triangle Associates.
09:39:18 Which
09:39:20 Does.
09:39:21 Large national projects and Federal clients, as well as local projects, like working here on.
09:39:29 Are.
09:39:30 Our own sewer project is a consultant.
09:39:34 You're.
09:39:35 Involvement with the poor Cadillac sewer nearly 20 years.
09:39:41 In 2,006, 2,007.
09:39:44 My predecessor, Frank Gifford, who's here in the room today, encourage Bob to join a team to work on the sewer facility plan for Port Hadlock and.
09:39:54 You ran all the public meetings for.
09:39:57 Keep. That process lasted a year and a half to develop that plan. And you're the one who was running all those public meetings.
09:40:05 I know sometimes planning doesn't sound.
09:40:07 Exciting, but no plan, no sewer.
09:40:11 And that was a major step for the county back in that timeframe.
09:40:16 Then there was.
09:40:18 Weren't completed, including property acquisition in the intervening years. But of course the recession started in 2,008 sets back a little bit. But around 2,017.
09:40:29 Some of our citizens.
09:40:31 Came to us wanting to really jump, start the Sewer project again. We had a relatively new Commissioner Kd. Who's also made that a priority.
09:40:41 So we started running public meetings again, and guess who was running Bob Whaler out there in Port Hadlock and Fire Jim Fire Series.
09:40:55 And
09:40:57 In 2020 we were letting some funding
09:41:01 Again, thanks to kings work, and
09:41:04 Representatives Barringer.
09:41:05 Design funding, and but at the time we had no project management staff to this project, which would be a very large project if it.
09:41:13 Continue to receive funding.
09:41:18 You know I at that time point I reached out to Bob, not asking him to work for us. You still employ.
09:41:26 Running a company. But I said, Do you have any ideas about how.
09:41:30 Might find someone or some people or a team to to start working on this project. Right? It's not.
09:41:37 It's not a bridge, or there might be a couple of adjacent property owners. This is a project that touches.
09:41:44 Dozens and dozens of people, and has, you know, tons of stakeholders. And it's just going to take a lot of personal interaction with people.
09:41:53 And I couldn't do it all myself and be a public works director, county engineer.
09:41:58 So I thought, well, I'll talk to Bob. Maybe he has some ideas of.
09:42:03 Bob said, Well, let me think about it a little bit. About a week later he came to me and said.
09:42:08 How about I help for a while.
09:42:11 I said this.
09:42:11 That would be great, fantastic. To believe this would.
09:42:15 That you would. You would volunteer to do that. I mean, they know you're getting ready to retire from your career.
09:42:22 Mark said, Well, I you know I can help for a while.
09:42:25 It is.
09:42:26 For a while. It's turned into 4 years of.
09:42:30 Nearly full time work, I mean. In theory, Bob was hired under what we call clerk fire status. We're supposed to work.
09:42:37 Less than 70Â HA month.
09:42:40 Don't tell our human resources. Wait! She's in the room. Can only get paid. Yeah.
09:42:50 I know, Bob put in a lot of extra time on this project.
09:42:54 So you know, what did Bob do on the project?
09:42:58 Well, he's met with virtually every property owner in the phase one area, and more than once.
09:43:05 Hundreds and hundreds of phone calls, emails.
09:43:09 He managed our design consultant team.
09:43:13 He managed the permitting process and our cultural resources outreach to the.
09:43:20 Indigenous, indigenous nations we've been complemented on. His work has been complemented as one of the best.
09:43:28 Processes like ecology has ever seen. For some of that work.
09:43:33 The drives. He worked on the request for proposals for our equipment that goes into our treatment plant. That was a major project.
09:43:45 We're done finding.
09:43:46 And he's worked on the sewer ordinance, which we're gonna talk about this afternoon.
09:43:52 Okay, I'm just about every facet of that project.
09:43:56 I also think one of the biggest contributions.
09:43:59 Bob made. The project was just.
09:44:02 Through his networking and connections. We've built a Seward team now that started with Bob.
09:44:08 At a key moment. In this project Bob brought Daveson onto our team. Dave was the city of Port Townsend, engineer who just retired and wastewater treatment expert.
09:44:20 And you brought Dave in to work with us on some really key issues, and then.
09:44:24 I think through that.
09:44:27 Our team.
09:44:29 Grew. And it's a homegrown team. Every member of our team is from this community.
09:44:34 We include Samantha, Harper.
09:44:36 Whereas years of experience on.
09:44:40 City projects and Pv projects.
09:44:43 John Black. 15 years of experience as a water treatment engineer.
09:44:49 Who was already living in our community ray decades of experience working at the wastewater treatment plant as their senior operator and vice president of Operations.
09:44:59 And we'll add.
09:45:01 A stoic who came to our team again. A connection through Bob.
09:45:06 Well, that has been.
09:45:07 Really key in all of the easements and property acquisitions we've needed.
09:45:13 So without this team we wouldn't be doing sewer. And you can trace this whole team back to what we started with with Bob.
09:45:21 This county is really fortunate to.
09:45:25 To have these people.
09:45:32 Working for us.
09:45:35 So excuse me closing remarks.
09:45:39 Bond. You've been the faces of Port adoles. They work for 4 years. I don't know how you feel about being the faces who are.
09:45:52 You know, in a position like mine. It can be it can be lonely, and having a positive person like.
09:46:06 Has been huge.
09:46:13 In closing. I'd just like to thank you for being part of our public works. Family.
09:46:18 And say, we'll miss you and.
09:46:20 And happy retirement. Bob.
09:46:32 Oh, gee! She wants to.
09:46:41 Brad. Well, anyone you guys certainly could say something, and then should maybe open it up to the floor first.st for others like I found the box.
09:47:02 Who would like to go next.
09:47:03 Clear up!
09:47:05 Well, should we give out the last one? I I think.
09:47:12 Kim. Thanks for being here. Anyone, Sam.
09:47:16 Yeah, let's just say.
09:47:18 Although I didn't work with you.
09:47:20 Directly.
09:47:23 Hasn't sent a course or.
09:47:29 Perfect, and then stories of how we ported folks, and how you are out on the ground shaking hands.
09:47:37 Along that.
09:47:38 You know, the development really huge whenever we have one.
09:47:45 Employee.
09:47:46 Provide that little spark of.
09:47:48 Positivity.
09:47:50 And enjoyment.
09:47:52 And intelligence is the excellent work that you do.
09:48:03 I got some, please. So, Bob, I don't know if you recall that.
09:48:07 Facilitation work you did for.
09:48:10 Yeah, I did 43, or whatever it was.
09:48:13 They like.
09:48:14 Can't recall what you were facilitating, that it was development of a budget, or maybe emerging together and.
09:48:22 I had. I've never seen you before, and I thought, Wow, this is me.
09:48:26 Great job.
09:48:27 Somebody handles a crowd.
09:48:29 Like a maestro.
09:48:31 Just walk us through.
09:48:34 The process. And then, later, when I learned that you were joining the account.
09:48:40 We're in good shape.
09:48:41 So be.
09:48:42 Good evening.
09:48:44 Thanks a lot.
09:48:49 Sam, Frank, Anyone.
09:48:53 Well, I'm in denial. It's actually you might be right.
09:49:00 I am so happy. I I've known the name of Bob Whale for time, because I had to read about it a lot today. But it's so nice. Actually, the person.
09:49:11 We're all better because we appreciate it.
09:49:23 Everyone else gonna choose to stay quiet.
09:49:29 I can. I can go, Bob. It's it's rare that subject matter. Experts have.
09:49:35 The emotional intelligence that you brought to every project I've seen you with, but I mean you're you're the kind of leader I aspire to be so. I really appreciate it, you know.
Keep trying to get the sewer named after Kate, but you might. You'd be a good one, too, so I don't know. You guys, it's sort of up in the air. We gotta come up with a name, though.
I I.
09:49:52 And you know, I think back to that game of.
09:49:56 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon, and I think about all the people.
09:50:00 Safely going to the bathroom in Port Hadlocks for decades to come, and how close they really are to you, and how much, how much credit you can take for that for that safe sanitary
sewer. So yeah, I mean money.
09:50:12 When it captured the the high points. I think you know we we wouldn't be here without you, and really appreciate the.
09:50:20 Just yeah, doing a job with a smile. I can't imagine anyone else being as successful in the outreach to a you know, a really diverse.
09:50:29 Population with not an easy conversation again and again. And I I just really appreciate all you've done for the county, and.
09:50:34 I've.
09:50:36 I've never had a conversation with you where I didn't end up.
09:50:39 I didn't walk away feeling optimistic and better informed. So I appreciate your time with us.
09:50:45 Thanks, Rick.
09:50:49 Go ahead, Heidi.
09:50:50 I'm such a blubber.
09:50:54 So I've known Bob and his wife Kim over
09:50:58 More than a decade of the best white elephant parties in the community. And then, when I was elected, one of the 1st phone calls I got was from Bob, and he said, we're gonna
have to meet with your neighbors.
09:51:11 And I said, I'm happy to meet with whoever with you, Bob.
09:51:15 And Bob and I did a whole series of meetings with landowners out in the phase, one sewer boundary and.
09:51:22 Some, some of them multiple meetings, and I called you this morning, and there you'll see that you missed a call from me because.
09:51:29 Are.
09:51:29 Probably most.
09:51:31 Talked about landowner showed up on my property on Saturday.
09:51:36 With a donation to my campaign, and the kindest words about you and the project.
09:51:41 And how excited he is to hook up his property and potentially his other property.
09:51:47 To the sewer, and he was he just
09:51:52 Kind of glowed, and I remember where we started with them.
09:51:57 And I attribute the positive nature of that relationship and kind of.
09:52:02 Bringing them onto the project the way that we did together. Early as.
09:52:07 You know, a testament of your leadership.
09:52:10 And being able to explain the.
09:52:13 Technical details of the project. Well, I sat there and poured more cups of coffee.
09:52:18 But.
09:52:19 You know it was that experience. Very early in my tenure as a commissioner.
09:52:25 That kind of.
09:52:26 People ask me, how's it going as I'm approaching reelection or running for reelection and.
09:52:32 I'm like, I really.
09:52:35 Love the job. There are parts of it that are really hard.
09:52:38 But they're parts of it are really good. And when I think when I visualize, they're really good.
09:52:45 Hmm.
09:52:48 Thanks. Heidi.
09:52:57 That's it.
09:53:01 I just wanna say, Bob, you have been a mentor to me whether you wanted to be or not.
09:53:07 Thank you for that.
09:53:10 You know, early on in this.
09:53:12 Phase of the the sewer project, and I were kind of the.
09:53:16 The face of the project with with the public and
09:53:19 Yeah, it was going, okay.
09:53:21 It was okay. There was still a lot of grumbling, and speaks like an engineer, and I'm a politician, and.
09:53:29 You know it. It really changed when you came on board, Bob. That's the tone changed. And I think you're you're just exceptionally good.
09:53:37 At doing that. You you bring a professionalism like, Greg said, with with emotional intelligence. You translate engineer, speak into a way that people can understand.
09:53:49 With empathy and communicate so well. And those are just exceptional skills. And you know that I assume.
09:53:57 Are kind of a super power of yours, but also honed through decades of doing this work, and.
09:54:02 So thank you for modeling that so well for me.
09:54:06 Learned an enormous amount from.
09:54:07 Working with you, and seeing how, how you can change the dynamics of a room.
09:54:12 By the way, that you pulled that space and present yourself
09:54:18 Yeah. So just have to acknowledge, too, that
09:54:21 You've also been incredible inspiration of how you approach your family and your community service and outside of work as well. And you have been willing to engage.
09:54:32 All sorts of difficult challenging conversations.
09:54:37 With me about family and and it's I, you know.
09:54:42 We? We've we've been through some stuff together at this point, and
09:54:45 So thank you for bringing all of yourself to to your work and your colleagues, and seeing all of them here. It's very clear that
09:54:53 You impact them in a a huge way.
09:54:58 Alright. So we let Bob say a few words.
09:55:06 Well.
09:55:09 From my standpoint. I can't tell you how honored I've been to be able to work on this project, and.
09:55:16 It's such a game changer.
09:55:18 I keep telling people, you know.
09:55:22 Habitat, but.
09:55:23 17 acres.
09:55:25 Within the sewer area.
09:55:27 Right now they could build 3 homes on that property, and they're gonna do 150 homes or units.
09:55:33 On that property. That's a game changer for the entire community. The entire Jefferson County.
09:55:40 They're not only gonna go do their traditional lower income.
09:55:43 But they're gonna do sort of that moderate features and firefighters and police and service folks, too.
09:55:52 And that is such a driver. It's been a driver for me, and I think for everybody that this is going to be such a.
09:55:59 Such a game changer.
09:56:00 And if they ever figure out Qfc. Who they are, you know I think there's great chance for some expansion there, and better parking. You know a lot of amenities that could come
from that. So.
09:56:12 To me. There's no doubts about what the merits of this project are.
09:56:17 And it was really held up because we didn't have that funding that was really necessary.
09:56:22 We're at 35 million dollars plus right now, in terms of the money that we are getting.
09:56:27 That's a game changer, and we can thank our State legislature and Steve in particular.
09:56:32 And Kate for all the work that that you do.
09:56:37 But then.
09:56:38 You know, Heidi and I was like.
09:56:40 The road show going out, and we had such fun going on out talking with each individual. There was a lot of skeptics, and there was a lot of folks that were pretty excited about
it, but.
09:56:50 We work through those. And you know, we continued, some of those a lot of those meetings not as much with me or me with you, but.
09:56:58 You were both been working on this, and.
09:57:01 What I really want to emphasize is this is a team effort.
09:57:05 I was 1 1 lucky individual to be involved in this great great project, but.
09:57:11 You have such a great team that you have here.
09:57:14 All the way from in the past when Frank was here. But cause he was in the early stages of it, and I think he was the one that talked to money about saying, Hey, you gotta talk
to Wheeler. So Frank, desert some credit for that.
09:57:29 You have Sam, which is.
09:57:30 I mean, we are under construction. This thing is happening because Sam has really been able to move that part of this project. I need to talk to you about where the stick is
on my property.
09:57:43 And Sam's just a phenomenal person, and she's a phenomenal.
09:57:47 Project manager on this project, and then John Black.
09:57:51 Is quiet. He's not great in front of the crowd. But, oh, my gosh! He just had this technical knowledge and skill, and.
09:57:58 Promise to him. That's really excellent. And then Greg to the team, really a a phenomenal thing.
09:58:07 Our county administrator has certainly been key in this, and providing a lot of support.
09:58:12 Collect.
09:58:14 Who's back here is just a phenomenal person. Chris is in the way back there.
09:58:18 And she deals with me on a more day to day basis. Have a few other things to say about it, anyway. And I'm probably forgetting other people, Chelsea, the whole public work staff.
I really want to access this guy over here because.
09:58:35 Not only is he a phenomenal engineer, he really is, I mean, I marvel it. The stuff I mean. I'm an engineer, and I go. Oh, my gosh, I don't! This guy really knows all of that
stuff. He's.
09:58:47 One of the more intelligent people that I come across, and
09:58:51 He had the wisdom to see that. You know it's public works. Director, I cannot do this project on my own. I need some help. So he asked for that. You guys were supportive of
that.
09:59:02 And and he has real wisdom in terms.
09:59:06 How to put things together, how to move forward real. And I think you have an asset over there. That's a real key person in the organization.
09:59:15 Anyway, he does.
09:59:17 I know I'm gonna forget some people. I wanna mention the PA's office. Philip and Barbara when she was here act and involvement from them, and.
09:59:28 Then.
09:59:28 You 3.
09:59:30 Phenomenal leadership on this, and it wouldn't be happening if it wasn't for you all taking roles that.
09:59:37 Are super crucial in making this thing happen. So.
09:59:39 To me.
09:59:41 I was one of many that made this thing happen. And it's under construction. It's happening.
09:59:47 And everybody. I've been talking to.
09:59:51 More and more people are falling up and say, Hey, I wanna so that whole concern we had at the beginning is, Oh, my gosh, you know, and we're offering some pretty good incentives.
But people are really out there and excited. So
10:00:07 It's been an honor to be able to work on this. I really appreciate all the support I've gotten.
10:00:11 And.
10:00:13 Through ups and downs on this whole project. But it's been a great experience, and and I'm glad I've been able to do my little tiny part in trying to help get us here. So, thanks
to everybody that.
10:00:24 Has been involved in this, and if I forgot anybody, I apologize. But.
10:00:28 Look at that. He finishes on the bell. We do have a 10 o'clock hearing, so I would love a a motion to approve the letter of recognition.
10:00:46 I will second any further discussion.
10:00:49 This props. I I want a golf lesson from you now, though, Bob.
10:00:54 I'll see you over the Eggnog bowl. I'll see all those in favor, please say, aye.
10:01:02 Hey!
10:01:04 So we should try and get that. The copy signed that you have.
10:01:08 Quickly, Monty, so we can get that. We have a letter here because I'm in the Senate right now.
10:01:14 Alright! I'll make a copy of it real quick.
10:01:22 Okay, grace.
10:01:24 Yes. Yeah.
10:01:24 Thanks everyone for coming. Thanks so much.
10:01:30 Probably do the important things like, Where are we doing.
10:02:05 There you go!
10:02:15 Thank you.
10:02:17 Way across the bottom. Yeah.
10:02:30 Nothing that could just not accept our phone calls.
10:02:46 They'll be calling us if you need them.
10:02:51 James is here to backup his very detailed letter.
10:02:59 Alright, we ready to roll off.
10:03:02 Okay, thanks for your patience. Everyone. We have a scheduled.
10:03:04 10 o'clock, hearing on the proposed.
10:03:06 2024 second quarter budget appropriations and extensions for various county departments.
10:03:15 It's that. Carolyn. Yeah.
10:03:19 So I will open this hearing.
10:03:24 After we get a briefing from Staff, we will.
10:03:27 Take public testimony and encourage the public to weigh in on the specifically on the
10:03:34 Appropriations and extensions outlined here today.
10:03:38 You'll have up to 3Â min to provide your testimony. But 1st we will start with a report from.
10:03:45 Judy Shepard, our finance manager. Good morning, Judy.
10:03:48 Morning, everybody.
10:03:49 So I I opted to do this.
10:03:52 By video, because it's really short.
10:03:56 Which is, is lots of times to see.
10:03:59 So
10:04:01 I'm sure we'll have more later. But let's I'm gonna go ahead and share my screen.
10:04:14 Okay. I did the wrong screen. Sorry.
10:04:17 Got your calendar, though.
10:04:19 I know right.
10:04:19 Very detailed. Yeah.
10:04:21 Alright!
10:04:26 There we go!
10:04:28 Alright. So we are in second quarter budget appropriations, and these appropriations are just as needed. If you'll remember 1st quarter appropriations.
10:04:39 We did a lot of budget items that were not known at the time. We accepted the budget, and so therefore the 1st quarter. That's the tone of that second quarter.
10:04:49 Things are too early to tell what's really gonna happen, what's going on. But there are certain things we know we need to correct. And so that's what this is about. So there's
very few of them. So without further explanation, and jump right into them.
10:05:04 Just. This is our summary, which is in your packet.
10:05:08 And we can come back to the summary. But let's go ahead and jump into the actual appropriations themselves.
10:05:15 So the 1st one up is for prosecuting attorney, and I noticed that James is in the room.
10:05:22 So, James, if you want to speak to either one of these, you're welcome to the the 1st one is for the carpal case management software. This was started in 2023, and we appropriated
it in 2023. However, it's
10:05:42 Wasn't completed, and so, therefore, an additional needed for the 2024 budget.
10:05:46 You know. Okay.
10:05:49 Oh, you're.
10:05:50 It'll pick you up.
10:05:53 Just making sure the audio is working.
10:05:55 And
10:05:56 Is it a good time for James to weigh in? Yeah, so just the carpel this was approved last year to really upgrade and bring us into the 21st century in terms of case management,
organization.
10:06:13 The way this launch is taking place is sort of analogous to the way this was adopted.
10:06:19 It's not overnight. All at once. It's been an ongoing process, and they've been invoicing us different dollar amounts as we've gone along. So.
10:06:30 What that meant was that that money that we got during that appropriation was not entirely expended.
10:06:38 Within.
10:06:39 Whatever it is, the next 90 days or so and so.
10:06:43 We still have an outstanding balance, but I don't believe that this is going beyond, which was initially provided to us last year. So this is just to kind of cover that ongoing.
10:06:54 Cost, but I think it's still within what was originally appropriate.
10:07:00 What kind of next one up is the
10:07:06 So.
10:07:07 What they're. This is also prosecuting attorney. And what this is combining multiple positions that are vacant.
10:07:14 And have not been able to fill the qualified applicant.
10:07:18 And using those.
10:07:19 Some of those funds to.
10:07:22 Take care of a need in the civil.
10:07:36 To read on the zoom screen.
10:07:38 Okay.
10:07:41 Let's do the plus or.
10:07:45 Yeah, I was doing the wrong thing. Sorry?
10:07:51 And there's no witness for the defendant. Better.
10:07:56 Oops!
10:07:55 Now we can, now we can. Now we can read the numbers.
10:07:59 Okay.
10:08:00 Alright. So I had a lot of people help me with this request. I have not a spreadsheet guys. So this is not where I I live and make my home. So I want to thank everyone who helped
me. You know who you are.
10:08:18 We.
10:08:19 Have been looking for ways to boost.
10:08:22 Essentially the capacity. On the civil side of the house. I have 2 attorneys over there.
10:08:28 And there is no slack.
10:08:30 They are at capacity.
10:08:33 And.
10:08:35 Their workload is beyond what 2 of them can handle. Right now, for example, there's an individual.
10:08:42 Who I communicate with every 3 to 6 months.
10:08:45 This has been going on for about 2 and a half years at least. Now, regarding.
10:08:50 A
10:08:52 Code enforcement issue.
10:08:56 Iron Day.
10:08:58 And we have not been able to take action on it like we've been able to take any action on coke enforcement in a while we.
10:09:06 Spent a lot of our time working on the sewer ordinance.
10:09:11 Phil is not here today because Phil is full time working on the shoreline master program. And it just occurred to me today as I was walking into work that.
10:09:21 Well, assuming we get this up and running, and we get the development that we hope that we want.
10:09:27 Dcd is gonna need a lot more support.
10:09:29 From our office and approving, permitting, and getting all that going and getting hopefully the kind of development that we want to have.
10:09:37 Out, and the port had a lot higher.
10:09:39 Area.
10:09:41 And Ecd right now is already one of our biggest clients.
10:09:44 So we had.
10:09:47 Requested initially a paralegal position.
10:09:50 And we were hoping to get a really high speed paralegal.
10:09:53 To come in here and help us out.
10:09:55 And this position's been open since.
10:09:59 January.
10:10:00 And we just haven't been able to.
10:10:04 Find anyone with the requisite legal experience to come in and really provide the type of support that we're looking for.
10:10:11 As it so happens, there were a number of personnel changes that happened.
10:10:17 Last year. Within the prosecutors office were some more senior people, who are at the higher end of the pay spectrum.
10:10:25 Matriculated out and got replaced by people who were not as high.
10:10:30 On the pay spectrum.
10:10:31 And this.
10:10:34 Some budget. Slack.
10:10:35 So looking at that, combined with the.
10:10:39 Vacant.
10:10:40 Paralegal Position.
10:10:44 Actually, I think, more than covers the cost.
10:10:46 Of.
10:10:49 A new Dpa. My! I know the county does not take these requests lightly.
10:10:56 Growing new employees.
10:10:58 I know there's a lot of added expense there.
10:11:01 So I really wanted to see what I could do to make this absolutely as budget neutral as possible. And I think it's actually going to be slightly budget.
10:11:12 From, where.
10:11:14 I was at.
10:11:15 And so.
10:11:17 My hope is that the.
10:11:19 County will approve of this.
10:11:22 I think it will expand our capabilities.
10:11:24 I think it will provide a little bit of slack in that department, so I don't have 2 attorneys who are just at 100 all the time, because I know.
10:11:33 It is tiring for them.
10:11:37 Us.
10:11:39 Phil is the only.
10:11:40 Employee I've ever had in my entire life where I actually try to tell him I don't even bother anymore, because I know it's just he's gonna do what he's gonna do. He's fantastic
for what he does, but I don't like that.
10:11:54 We're in a position where we have to ask this guy to put in 60, 70Â HA week. So I really.
10:12:01 Hopefully, we can get this position and create a little bit of slack and.
10:12:06 Really expand the capability. So we can get back on things.
10:12:09 Like
10:12:11 Code enforcement stuff because.
10:12:13 I think sometimes from the county point of view from the higher end, it's kind of like it's a little bit of a footnote to the things that we do.
10:12:22 But you know I hear from members in the community as I'm sure you do as well it. It's kind of a big deal to a lot of the people out there.
10:12:31 And and I sympathize with that.
10:12:33 And.
10:12:33 You know, when we get things like shoreline master program that here it comes. And and now it needs to be proof right away. It's a drop, everything type of situation, and all
the other things that we've been working on, whether we're helping Dcd. Or public works, or any of our many clients work on something that all just hits the brakes, and we gotta work
on this.
10:12:57 And those types of things are gonna happen that's in the nature of the work. But.
10:13:02 What my hope is that we can at least have a little bit capacity that way when something like that happened.
10:13:08 Other things don't grow to a halt.
10:13:11 And so I think the county.
10:13:13 Would benefit from this.
10:13:16 So if you have any questions, I'd be happy to answer yeah, and thinking,
10:13:23 I don't know if you're able to stick around, but maybe Judy could finish, because I.
10:13:27 Be interesting to see if there's any testimony regarding this that'd be good to have you around for any response to, and then we could also. Or if you want to join by zoom,
if you have other stuff, you could be also see if the public has any response before we dig in.
10:13:50 Great thanks, James. Thank you.
10:13:53 Alright, edits.
10:13:53 Okay, so thank you for that. James and Kate.
10:13:56 We'll go ahead and move on.
10:13:59 Get through.
10:14:01 This.
10:14:07 Okay. The next one is for Superior Court.
10:14:12 This one is where there was
10:14:15 They have in their budget. A transfer from 131 that is now going to.
10:14:21 The Therapeutic Court department. So, therefore, that was misrepresented in the budget. So we had to remove that.
10:14:28 And then there was the work that
10:14:34 Commissioner Rimpson is doing for child children and youth justice. So we had to.
10:14:40 Bring the revenue in, so that we can expense that out.
10:14:44 So that is work that is actually completed at the end of June. So this is getting this.
10:14:49 The budget up to where it needs to be, for those transactions.
10:14:56 And then.
10:14:58 Moving on.
10:14:59 Noxious weed control.
10:15:02 This is a. This could have been done just as a budget transfer, but it was included in the appropriation to move from Fort Warden State Parks to Washington. State Parks.
10:15:12 And then the purchase for the vehicle. Was approved.
10:15:20 In 2023. It was ordered in 23, but wasn't delivered in 2024. So therefore crossed the line in the fiscal year. So we had to put the budget back in.
10:15:31 For 2024 because we don't carry budget from one year to the next to be able to
10:15:39 Correct the expenditure for that and that capital expenditure line.
10:15:44 So that's that one for noxious weed.
10:15:50 And then we have a number of.
10:15:54 Transactions here for public works, solid ways. So increasing the Department of Ecology, grant.
10:16:02 The yard debris
10:16:04 Fees coming in. I'm sure all of us are aware about fees being that were raised, so that was due, I believe, to accommodate that.
10:16:13 And then the salaries and wages is to handle.
10:16:17 The teamsters that contract that was negotiated.
10:16:22 From what I understand. And let's see.
10:16:26 Let's go down to.
10:16:30 Can I ask.
10:16:30 Professional.
10:16:32 Recite.
10:16:32 Question, on that.
10:16:33 I'm sorry.
10:16:34 Yeah. I. Why is the salaries and wages and benefits a 1-time appropriation? I was confused.
10:16:41 And I thought on that there was a pencil arrow. I was interpreting.
10:16:46 Right. Well, it's it's.
10:16:49 I think they were just appropriating enough to get through to the end of the year.
10:16:52 And then when we do the new ones because it's gonna raise again in 2025.
10:16:57 And so I think this was just to give it enough to get through to the end of the year.
10:17:03 Okay. Thank you. Edgar.
10:17:03 I think that's how that was the thought process. I think that Kathy had on that.
10:17:07 And during the mid-monthial review.
10:17:10 This year's increase. Okay.
10:17:17 And then
10:17:19 The increase in yardways, fees, professional services for recycling, and then equipment, outlay.
10:17:27 Due to larger equipment, purchases of handle, handler, and excavator that were both needed.
10:17:39 Alright, and then whoops.
10:17:41 Too far.
10:17:43 Oh, this is for fun. 5, 1 ER. And R. In some discussions that it happened.
10:17:49 In addition to this.
10:17:52 Found out that the Pine Creek Corey wasn't expected to receive that revenue for the sale, the Penny Creek Corey until 2025. So it was important to remove that budget line for
the sale.
10:18:05 So we'll be then entered for the 25.
10:18:09 Mid biennium budget and review.
10:18:14 And that's it.
10:18:16 That's the short list. So if we want to go back here and I'll just present the summary.
10:18:24 The one thing about I did. You know the the annual? So this was for for the.
10:18:31 Prosecuting attorney was 6 months ongoing. It's 160,000 80,000 again will get us through the end of the year.
10:18:40 Yeah.
10:18:41 Hey!
10:18:41 Thank you.
10:18:43 Any questions.
10:18:43 For Judy.
10:18:47 I'm happy to make a motion. Oh, wait! Sorry!
10:18:53 Alright, we typically do testimony. First, st any comments, Mark, before I put it up.
10:19:18 I don't. Okay.
10:19:22 Alright. So open up public testimony. Is there anyone in the room or online who would like to provide testimony on the.
10:19:30 Appropriations and extensions.
10:19:33 Discussed here today.
10:19:35 Yeah. The zoom room. Please raise hands. We will bring you over.
10:19:39 Meetings, except for those.
10:19:42 For the emergency.
10:19:44 And then Maggie.
10:19:52 Whenever you're ready, Mr.
10:19:56 Sorry you have to understand. There's pause while people are being.
10:19:59 Promoted to panelists where I can't hear what you're saying. So.
10:20:03 Now I.
10:20:03 Right? Yes.
10:20:04 Oh, I heard your invitation. Thank you for the record. Tom County Resident.
10:20:10 I.
10:20:11 Am concerned, and remain concerned about the fact that the county is continuing to purchase vehicles that are not electric.
10:20:19 There's, you know. Yes, I understand. This was originally appropriated in 20.
10:20:24 And I'm fairly certain that I objected at that time.
10:20:27 To the fact that it was stated. It's just a vehicle, a pickup.
10:20:31 Well.
10:20:33 I'm I'm absolutely certain.
10:20:35 That at that time I said it should be an Ev.
10:20:37 4 F. 150 would be fine if 150 costs $15,000 more from the State Department.
10:20:45 From from their their pool of ofable vehicles.
10:20:49 Not a big deal certainly would save that amount of money in terms of ongoing maintenance and fuel costs over the life of the vehicle.
10:20:57 And yet here we are.
10:20:58 Purchasing yet another internal combustion engine truck.
10:21:01 In violation of state policies.
10:21:03 Toward moving to an all electric fleet.
10:21:06 I don't understand why this is being allowed.
10:21:09 Yes, I guess the vehicle is there now, and all we're doing is the paperwork to pay for it.
10:21:13 On on the budget.
10:21:14 But it doesn't make me any happier, knowing that.
10:21:19 You know, Jefferson County's gotta clean up its act when it comes to Evs.
10:21:22 You've just simply got to get on board.
10:21:24 And and that's all there is to it, and.
10:21:28 I remain, you know, disappointed.
10:21:30 That you're not taking stronger actions in this respect.
10:21:33 I would like to see something from the County Commissioners.
10:21:36 An edict.
10:21:38 To direct the fleet manager.
10:21:41 To absolutely do everything possible, so that no longer do we purchase internal combustion engine vehicles unless there is no possible alternative available.
10:21:52 Thank you, Mr.
10:21:55 Maggie.
10:21:51 So thank you very much.
10:21:57 This is about budget. Right? Yes. And we're just taking testimony on these items we've discussed here today.
10:22:05 Yeah.
10:22:06 Only the appropriations that we have mentioned here today.
10:22:11 This change, these specific changes to the budget that are outlined here, and that were just discussed.
10:22:15 Oh, okay, so it couldn't be like a general.
10:22:18 Sorry. No, it's really just about money changes. Yeah. Sorry.
10:22:26 Alright. Anyone else. Switched by public comments.
10:22:30 Is hit, raise hands.
10:22:34 Okay, I'm going to close the.
10:22:39 Public testimony. Portion of this hearing.
10:22:42 And deliberation.
10:22:44 Yeah, I'd love to respond to Mr. Tears's comment. I think I'm well trained enough now that I I had the same thought as I was looking through the appropriations, and and really
the the same discontent. And you know, and also the recognition that this truck has already been ordered. And it's kind of too late. But.
10:22:59 You know, later in the day we're gonna look at our internal climate summit goals where we brag about buying electric vehicles, though I believe we bought one. So I you know,
I think it is about to the point that we should have a workshop with Josh and Fleet, and figure out, how can we change the system? Because.
10:23:16 It just it doesn't like our our budget processes.
10:23:21 Be be cheap on the 1st initial purchase, and.
10:23:24 Yeah, we need to. We need to work on the whole system. I think so. And.
10:23:28 To Mr.
10:23:31 Kennedy, you know.
10:23:34 I appreciate the amount of detail just, and I don't think there would be any objection, no matter what. But.
10:23:41 The the Dpa. Office that you know the the Civil office does so much for.
10:23:46 All of the county. I don't know how we would operate without the ones without Mr. Hunt, and you know a deeper bench makes.
10:23:57 Increases the entire county's capacity. So this is I. I appreciate that you made it revenue neutral, or maybe even negative, as you say, and
10:24:04 But the the service and being able to develop that bench is, is critical to not just Dcd operations, but the county as a whole. I appreciate.
10:24:13 Can you believe we did operate without a civil Dpa for years? Oh, my goodness, I don't know how we did it!
10:24:21 Right, I mean. There was quite a significant delay after Alber has left.
10:24:28 It was.
10:24:29 I did. Our 1st year's here in New York.
10:24:31 Before. Well, before hunting came out between Albruis.
10:24:35 Yeah, 2017. Right? Before I did.
10:24:38 Yeah, but it it was. It was a wild West, right? And there hadn't been anyone previous. Yeah.
10:24:48 I could comment on the electric car.
10:24:50 Sorry I closed the testimony.
10:24:53 And we do have a packed agenda today. So we're gonna try and stay on schedule. So I'll just say I agree on the electric vehicle front. I would love to see.
10:25:02 Every vehicle we buy be an electric vehicle, but you know I know that different departments have different reasons for.
10:25:09 Why they make the choices they do so. I think a workshop is a great idea.
10:25:13 And I know we have a new fleet manager, so a relatively new fleet manager. So I think that would be a great conversation for us all to have.
10:25:22 And then.
10:25:24 To James. Yeah, I'm short into the stick right now with a project that the Dpa's office is helping me with. That's taking a really long time.
10:25:33 And I know why and not. You know I'm not holding against anybody, but it's.
10:25:38 Getting.
10:25:39 Frustratingly,
10:25:43 Challenging for the project that we're trying to do as a county.
10:25:45 To have the delay in this project. So I maybe it's maybe that was by design. But it's I get it. And I and you know.
10:25:57 Mr. Hensur's.
10:26:00 Obviously putting in way more hours than anyone should be expected to, and.
10:26:05 We all rely on him.
10:26:09 A 1,000%. So I think this is a really good move on your part.
10:26:15 Basically ditto to what my fellow commissioners have said also frustrated that we still don't have a ev policy. And you know it's partly been. We have a new fleet manager, turnover,
and some resistance to, and there's you know how much we kind of.
10:26:31 Push staff to make change is something of a political decision. It's not easy. And you know, but agreed, it's it's time. So Mark, really encourage you to.
10:26:42 Advance that effort. As we Commissioner Dean, as she yeah contemplates her departure to get an ev policy in place. Yeah, right?
10:27:07 And agreed on the need for more bench. That are.
10:27:13 Civil.
10:27:15 Dpas. I also have a you know list of 6 things that I need from Mr. Hensuter, and I'm very careful about how I parse them out slowly, and
10:27:25 So I don't know how he stays on top of everything that he does.
10:27:29 So would would be glad to have somebody else to pass. I haven't started Melissa yet. Just giving us some time. But yes, yeah, so clearly important role. I don't have concerns
about any of these always nice to see. You know, our departments continue to bring in grant funding for new.
10:27:48 Work like the children and family work in Superior Court. So thank you, Commissioner, for
10:27:54 Doing that important work.
10:27:56 I'm happy. Don't make a motion now. Can I make a motion? Now I'm happy to make a motion that we approve. The second quarter, 2024 budget appropriations, extensions from various
county departments.
10:28:12 Good any further, and I don't know if you need a resolution, though.
10:28:17 Matter, of.
10:28:19 Friendly amendment. Happy to move that we prove a resolution in the matter of second quarter. 2024 budget appropriations, extensions for various county departments.
10:28:30 Yeah, any further discussion.
10:28:33 All those in favor say, Aye.
10:28:35 Hi.
10:28:37 Thank you. Judy's approved thanks.
10:28:41 So, commissioners, I just wanna say, thank you so much, for your support is entirely my goal. To take that support and then get right back to you.
10:28:52 Alright, thanks, James for being here.
10:28:56 We have a 1030 discussion workshop on the results of our internal climate summit. Maybe while folks are getting set up in the room here.
10:29:07 I need a 2Â min. Break
10:29:11 We are. Just so. Folks know we are not using the microphones. We're just on the owl, which means you can kinda stay put. But please, project.
10:29:19 In speaking, so it has to make it all the way to here. But I need to run to the rest of.
10:32:08 Try to try to get a zoom connection here. The Internet's horrible here. I can't get one, either, do you? You, if you take.
10:32:17 The line for Mark. If you can give up in for a little bit.
10:32:20 Because he took mine.
10:32:28 A couple more going backwards. My dial up mode. I'm going.
10:32:35 I will.
10:32:36 Yeah, we've lost data capture. But we're on.
10:32:40 Bringing us back from a quick recess.
10:32:43 We're gonna have a workshop on the internal climate summit, and, thanks to number of.
10:32:49 Directors and staff for being here today. I was really sorry to not be there, but 100 and some page reports, and how I was there? Apple? Do need a minute. Just have a minute.
10:33:05 Having some connections.
10:33:08 Progress.
10:33:10 You wanna leave the audio as well.
10:33:20 I assume Apple's gonna be leading this conversation. We're gonna do it together. And then people project well enough. We've got all the folks that we're sort of.
10:33:29 Part of creating this this summit, and I'll I'll kick it off. Josh, and I will.
10:33:35 Kind of do an introduction, and you all have the.
10:33:45 I'll just say, as a participant in the summit. It was really wonderful.
10:33:50 To hear how everyone was acknowledging all the climate work they are doing, and how the.
10:33:57 Purpose of the summit was really to understand how to be.
10:34:00 Better collaborated across departments so that we can really
10:34:05 Make the rubber meet the road on some of the climate goals that we have as a county. And so I was really inspired by the summit, and the day spent in the room with our colleagues
and.
10:34:17 Appreciate the leadership of this group, and putting the summit together and.
10:34:20 Allocating the resources to it that we're.
10:34:25 Given for that day, and I hope for.
10:34:27 The rest of.
10:34:29 Time.
10:34:31 That we work together.
10:34:33 I'll kick off by just letting you all know sort of what our plan is for the next half. I think we may have an hour, but we don't, we don't. I don't know that we need all that.
We'll just kind of go until we don't need to go anywhere.
10:34:46 So.
10:34:48 This summit happened at the beginning of May. So it's been a while, and thank you, Heidi, for.
10:34:53 Kind of assessment we've had like a month and a half at least 2 months actually to.
10:34:58 To really distill what that experience was like. And I really like everyone to know the public that.
10:35:04 Having a summit of local departments across our county government is, I think, pretty rare.
10:35:11 I do go to summits in my, in my field, in public health, in other other venues, but.
10:35:17 I have it. In the 5 years I've been here, sat around with colleagues and really worked really cross departmentally on a topic.
10:35:25 And the word that comes to mind for me, which is a word we use in public health is crosscutting capabilities, and I really feel like.
10:35:32 Climate as a topic, whether we're talking.
10:35:35 Change, climate change, resilience, climate impacts on health climate impacts on land.
10:35:42 It's so cross cutting that it affects.
10:35:44 It affects everyone.
10:35:47 And especially everyone doing services and.
10:35:51 And contribute to the well-being of.
10:35:54 You know our citizens so.
10:35:57 This cross, cutting capability.
10:36:00 Or this prosecuting scenario, which is climate impacts, is something that we're all working on. And it really was.
10:36:07 Informally.
10:36:09 Sort of leaning against the hallway door in our office, and I.
10:36:13 Talking about.
10:36:14 The Copland, which is coming up for review next year.
10:36:19 And then him asking me, What are you all doing in the climate space? I'm sure you're working on some some issues with them.
10:36:26 And I said, Boy, let me count the ways. I'm not even sure I could say it on 2 hands and
10:36:31 We should really sit down and kind of compare notes, because.
10:36:35 Josh has a big.
10:36:38 Requirement coming up that takes a great deal of bandwidth to work on different parts of it.
10:36:45 There's some new legal requirements to the Comp. Plan with regard to.
10:36:50 A climate sort of layering within the entire plan.
10:36:55 Which he'll speak to more eloquently than I can.
10:36:57 But where that crosses with health is really pretty. When we were in conversation, and we had worked on things like this in the past regarding the community health assessment.
10:37:08 But I think this was an opportunity where?
10:37:11 His department was looking for some input and some information.
10:37:16 And we have some who are working with them, and our.
10:37:21 Scope of work in.
10:37:22 Public health.
10:37:24 Somewhat small. Financially right now.
10:37:26 So we have some foundation services money that got dedicated to climate.
10:37:31 Resilience, Work.
10:37:33 Just as recently as last year. It's not a whole heck of a lot, but it is something that has allowed us to designate.
10:37:40 And a current employee to to dedicate half her time to this type of work.
10:37:44 And we'll talk more about what public health does in the kind of space a little later. But.
10:37:48 I really thought that the summit was a way to to know our colleagues better, so I'll let Charlotte not so many more, but English, and we were able to have public works.
10:38:03 You.
10:38:04 Health.
10:38:05 Dcd.
10:38:07 The others office.
10:38:11 We invited many more, and just based on schedules. Not everybody could come, so we were.
10:38:17 I'm excited to hear from DM. And they did provide us some notes, but they were able to be present in person.
10:38:25 I think Central Services would be a really important.
10:38:29 You know, identity within the group, because they've got a lot of touch points with things.
10:38:36 And they weren't able to be present for that particular summit.
10:38:38 The other thing I'd like to say with regard to that is.
10:38:42 We in essence, when we were talking about doing this really in a phased approach. And this is really just.
10:38:52 Baby steps phase one of trying to understand our own home in terms of what's going on.
10:38:57 And.
10:38:58 I mean, we may have a vision where it expands and takes into phase 2, and incorporates other entities. We don't know.
10:39:06 The summit really was
10:39:09 Conceived by us, but then think he was able to think of a really necessary point, which is, when you have a summit, and you're talking about ideas.
10:39:17 What do you do with them? How do you distill it? How do you share it with others? So we want to share it with the Ccu to help.
10:39:25 Public, etc.
10:39:26 And so we were able to spend some of our contract money. On hiring, consulting.
10:39:34 This is really their.
10:39:36 Their value, so they were very helpful, facilitating, and distilling.
10:39:40 Asking the right questions and get us to kind of.
10:39:43 Bring forward all of the information that we're doing, and then.
10:39:49 Trying to figure out a little bit about what we might.
10:39:51 Conceiva as next steps.
10:39:54 No one department right now is only this discussion today is about this is more about reflection and giving you all some facts about what is going on in the county.
10:40:05 In terms of the departmental.
10:40:07 Approaches to using.
10:40:08 Funds to do ton of work.
10:40:11 And next steps are a bit unknown. Right now one of the ground rules for the summit was being okay with non closure. I know it's hard for all of us, because we're all very
10:40:22 You know, goal oriented and tactical. But we have to sit in that uncomfortability of 1st generating ideas and talking about what we're doing, and.
10:40:32 Then cross linking with other people in other departments to find where those synergies can happen.
10:40:37 Ongoing.
10:40:39 Where we can be sure not to be redundant. Also, where we can go for grant money that don't. We don't compete with one another. And those sorts of issues.
10:40:49 And my reflection on having been there.
10:40:52 Is just the collective sense that we have.
10:40:56 Sort of a shared vision of being really resilient people. In the space of this topic. We've got a lot of flexibility and a lot of interest, tons of passion, and some serious.
10:41:09 So.
10:41:10 Subject matter, expertise.
10:41:11 But we also have low bandwidth.
10:41:15 Every other thing that our departments require of us.
10:41:18 So that's where the costing concept sort of comes like.
10:41:22 How do we build this.
10:41:23 In a way that's effective and successful and meaningful.
10:41:28 And also doesn't sort of tap us so.
10:41:33 And that in a collective way we can make it work on behalf of the county.
10:41:38 And not not drain us too much. I'll stop there and.
10:41:42 Josh, just say a little bit about his come into business.
10:41:48 Josh. Peters, community development director. Good morning.
10:41:52 Not too much to add to what Apple said, and then, after I finish with a couple extra thoughts.
10:41:58 Large Ets, and then go into the summer. Report itself.
10:42:02 And then picking on it, and Apple and I are here to answer any questions or take off in any direction. You want. One of the important things is.
10:42:09 What do we do from here next question? So.
10:42:12 The. As as Apple said, there's lots of things going on, including our 25 comprehensive plan update that we're in the middle of.
10:42:21 And I had mentioned that. You know we're we have this new requirement under House Bill 1181 that passed a couple sessions ago, and the State Legislature, and it amends the Growth
Management Act.
10:42:32 For the 1st time in this regard to mandate a resiliency element or sub element.
10:42:39 There had been talked for years about some kind of climate, adaptation, mitigation, change.
10:42:44 Element.
10:42:44 And.
10:42:45 Eventually the Legislature did take action in that regard.
10:42:49 There are some.
10:42:51 Various requirements as part of that obligation, together with other things, as part of the 25, update.
10:42:56 And there was some funding that were became available, and Jefferson County was allocated. Funding.
10:43:00 Last year, based on our size.
10:43:03 And.
10:43:03 The types of requirements that we have relative to some other jurisdictions.
10:43:07 And so that presented an opportunity, of course, and.
10:43:11 The interesting thing about it is that.
10:43:14 As, as Apple mentioned, public health had some funds that they had to spend. By the end of June.
10:43:19 And we weren't really gonna start our project until July first.st So kind of lined up perfectly and just in one of those coincidences of the universe. Perhaps.
10:43:28 Cascadia. Consulting is a subconsultant to.
10:43:31 The main consultant that we hire to help us with the 25 update. That's Perk consultants. The main.
10:43:37 And Cascadia is one of their subconsultants. So it really does dove quite nicely.
10:43:41 The staff aren't exactly the same from that organization, but they have conferred is my understanding. And so.
10:43:47 The results of this report is essentially like.
10:43:49 A building block that we would have had to have done anyway, in some form or another. So.
10:43:53 I looked at it as just perfect synergy in that regard.
10:43:56 Just.
10:43:57 For the project that my department's responsible for, but also as a way to integrate.
10:44:02 The happenings of other departments and collect that information referred to. It's also a way just for us in terms of the overall summit is obviously not just about.
10:44:11 This comprehensive plan effort which we look at as a resiliency element to.
10:44:15 To be his own stand on Standalone in our comp plan, but also to.
10:44:19 Pull from all the other elements. Transportation, land use, natural resources.
10:44:23 As sort of an overarching theme, which I think is an exciting prospect.
10:44:27 But also just to see what we're doing as an organization, in the 1st place, in terms of our own departments, and how we run things as an agency where we can look at places where
we could be using less energy, for example, or.
10:44:39 Being more mindful about the resources that we use as one of the larger organizations.
10:44:44 And agencies in the county.
10:44:47 Anyway. So it happened. It happened in May. It was a couple days, and luckily we have this report we excellent. I got by the by, the consultant.
10:44:56 And we got lots of ideas. And it's a challenge always to take just.
10:45:00 Ideas floating in the ether and just pull them into something cohesive. And that's what I was. Gonna talk about.
10:45:09 Shit.
10:45:12 Yeah, I have to say. I looked at the list on the pages 37 to 44 of the Pdf. And it's all the.
10:45:18 All the ideas we had, and I was like, Oh, my God!
10:45:23 So many great ideas.
10:45:26 So little time and money. Yeah, yeah, I will make one quick.
10:45:34 Worth it to say that, as Josh says.
10:45:38 Seeing if it's what sticks to the wall in terms of having this big discussion. These were tallied from post-it notes. We did lots of exercises together. We did sort of compounding
to try to get us to move between different staff people and get lots of opinions and.
10:45:55 And information.
10:45:57 So that we could have it in this report. I will say that.
10:46:01 It does deserve. Some refining.
10:46:05 Because it's really just a.
10:46:06 Yeah. It's just a capture.
10:46:09 And the the planning effort will need to be in some accuracy and some fact checking.
10:46:15 And we may agree in some sort of coordinated way to do that together ongoing, which we'll talk about, for now I'm gonna let Laura sort of.
10:46:23 Do us a summarizing. The report is that.
10:46:27 Beautiful on that.
10:46:29 Great.
10:46:30 So this was 2Â h on each, or 3Â h on each day, so it was a very fast paced event.
10:46:38 And we we're looking, not just at ideas, but what is currently going on.
10:46:46 In each county, department.
10:46:50 Because there is climate work going on in many different.
10:46:56 Departments throughout the county.
10:46:58 And we don't always know what's going on. So sometimes there ends up being redundant between departments, because we don't realize it's already happened.
10:47:07 So the key things here is that.
10:47:11 We're really trying to better understand the current climate related projects.
10:47:17 And initiatives happening in Jefferson County.
10:47:19 And then we were looking to identify opportunities for cross departmental work.
10:47:25 And then start to build a foundation.
10:47:28 Or the climate, resiliency.
10:47:30 Element for the comprehensive plan.
10:47:35 We looked some at where there might be gaps as well.
10:47:39 Go ahead!
10:47:44 So this is just kind of the details of what we did that we met for.
10:47:48 2 days down at the Wsu classroom.
10:47:53 And had folks from many different departments. We did some.
10:47:57 Basic background, on.
10:48:01 Climate works in Jefferson County, through the Cac. And the history of it.
10:48:05 And then the current climate.
10:48:08 Concerns.
10:48:09 And projections for our county.
10:48:12 And then we started looking.
10:48:15 At how the departments each department is responding and adaptation.
10:48:21 And how that mitigation is gonna work in the short and long term.
10:48:27 And then the plans, policies, and other projects.
10:48:30 That we're currently work on.
10:48:32 So we're gonna go into most of this in the results.
10:48:37 Some more days, 2 where we followed up on all that. But let's go ahead and dive into the results. That's what we're all interested in.
10:48:45 We started with a swap analysis, looking at the strengths, weaknesses, and friends.
10:48:54 And this was a fair amount of time, and was really
10:49:00 Very informative.
10:49:02 Section.
10:49:11 You look at each title here, and then the number after that.
10:49:15 That's how many different comments.
10:49:18 Were related to that particular topic.
10:49:22 And this is the synthesis of all of these.
10:49:25 So.
10:49:27 Our number one is that there's a strong commitment.
10:49:31 2 of.
10:49:32 Climate, and a high awareness of climate change.
10:49:35 Amongst the staff.
10:49:36 And so that is, that's a really good starting point. A lot of places are still working on like.
10:49:41 Awareness and understanding.
10:49:44 There's a lot of interest and some partnerships collaboration going on. And there's a lot of community engagement.
10:49:51 Through the Cac and other groups.
10:49:57 The county leadership.
10:49:59 Is working on resiliency building.
10:50:02 And that is a lot of those things.
10:50:05 Okay, transitioning the fleet to Evs.
10:50:08 Updating switch management plans to address sea level rise.
10:50:13 And other resilience building efforts. But those are some of the big ones that.
10:50:19 There's a strong focus on environmental stewardship.
10:50:22 And the natural environment. Here.
10:50:26 This is things like Tammy's work with flood planes.
10:50:31 And
10:50:33 Small farms.
10:50:37 There is some funding.
10:50:38 To do the work, but it's also limited.
10:50:41 And then.
10:50:44 A focus on equity and justice and tribal.
10:50:47 So those are what we saw as the big.
10:50:52 Then we start looking at our weaknesses and challenges.
10:50:56 And our biggest one was capacity and coordination.
10:50:59 Everybody else has other work that they're also working on, and it's a lot coordinated across accounting and across all the departments.
10:51:11 There are economic challenges.
10:51:13 And then looking at our planning adaptation and help.
10:51:19 Centric, approach.
10:51:22 We're really needing to.
10:51:24 Coherently high climate.
10:51:27 Into all of these, into our health responses, into our planning.
10:51:32 And our adaptations, counting.
10:51:36 We could use more inner department.
10:51:39 Collaboration, communication.
10:51:42 And so this was a start on that, but definitely something that all of us were wanting to do more.
10:51:49 And then looking at grant prioritization, there's a lot.
10:51:54 Grant opportunities out there right now that are climate related.
10:51:58 And.
10:52:00 One of the challenges is having the capacity.
10:52:04 To make those applications happen, and certainly some are in process, and some have been happening. That's fantastic.
10:52:11 But there's so many more opportunities out there.
10:52:15 And we could bring in some important funding.
10:52:19 And then just having a clear framework on integrating climate into county activities.
10:52:27 And then coordinating on climate responses.
10:52:31 Can I ask a question on that one.
10:52:33 Have.
10:52:34 I know that.
10:52:36 DM. Is in the process of updating the Hazard mitigation plan, like right now, have there been any conversations.
10:52:44 In terms of coordinating around.
10:52:47 Climate hazards they may be, may have shuffled into that mitigation plan.
10:52:50 Yes, we've been talking about it. I don't know how much is happening. I know that the has a challenge with capacity. Right? I know the Climate Action Committee has provided
a lot of good input into that process.
10:53:12 Next we'll look at threads.
10:53:22 This was the long list I was referring to. Oh, no, this is one of them. Yeah.
10:53:27 A lot along this.
10:53:29 Yes, a lot of these are things that are already happening just.
10:53:32 Really great.
10:53:37 Or they go.
10:53:39 Yeah, just.
10:53:42 Sorry to focus online for a minute.
10:53:46 Yeah.
10:53:47 Alright!
10:53:49 So.
10:53:52 Are the key themes.
10:53:57 Attitudes about climate change.
10:54:01 Not so much resistance as inertia and.
10:54:05 A desire of how much.
10:54:08 Funding and work.
10:54:10 We're ready to dedicate to this.
10:54:12 Given everything else that we also need to balance.
10:54:16 Capacity and time constraints is another big one.
10:54:20 Again. That's the.
10:54:21 What's the level of funding and time and effort.
10:54:25 That we need to do now versus later.
10:54:31 Prioritization of these issues and resource constraints.
10:54:35 Again. So many of these.
10:54:37 Weaknesses are. What's the balance that.
10:54:40 The county's gonna choose for.
10:54:42 Do we address things now, or do we leave them to deal with later.
10:54:50 Politicization of climate response.
10:54:52 There's a little bit.
10:54:54 But.
10:54:55 A lot. There's a lot less than there used to be. And one of the key things right now is just.
10:55:00 Having.
10:55:02 Communication and discussion.
10:55:04 Because looking at the data.
10:55:06 There's been a huge shift in awareness of climate.
10:55:12 Change in the last 10 years, and also of.
10:55:15 The desire.
10:55:16 From.
10:55:17 Folks across the board.
10:55:19 To start addressing it.
10:55:23 Impact on the local economy and ecosystems.
10:55:26 That's a big one. If we think back to the heat wave and the shellfish die off.
10:55:31 As just one example of how.
10:55:34 Climate can have a huge impact on their local economy.
10:55:38 Paralysis and inaction.
10:55:41 This is a huge thing that goes across.
10:55:44 Every.
10:55:45 Aspect of our county.
10:55:47 And.
10:55:50 It's easy to look at and be like I don't know. Let's wait and see, and figure out what we need to do.
10:55:56 But.
10:55:57 Looking at the data and the work that's been started.
10:56:01 As we can support those projects.
10:56:04 And fill in those gaps. I think that's gonna make a big difference.
10:56:08 Transparency, communication and coordination.
10:56:12 We don't always know what the other departments are doing. That's part of what the summit was about, and what an interest in having.
10:56:20 Regular.
10:56:21 Meetings between departments about the climate work that's going.
10:56:26 And then some things are not.
10:56:28 Take too lately. But migration, this is a place where.
10:56:32 People want to come to, to get out of extreme smoke to some extent.
10:56:38 But definitely Keith is a big one. It's much more mild here than I was surprised. This is the last one on the list.
10:56:46 It's something I think, about a lot.
10:56:49 Especially around Dcds work.
10:56:52 Can I ask a clarifying question? So in this swat analysis, this was.
10:56:57 Taking the input from the participants in the summit right.
10:57:01 And then, and were they like.
10:57:04 I mean from my perspective, resistance to change is a really big barrier like.
10:57:10 That's a real challenge that you know, we as policymakers face even within our.
10:57:15 Departments, much less with the public, and so like.
10:57:17 Do you feel like.
10:57:18 That was
10:57:20 Yep.
10:57:22 Participation. This was voluntary. So people who are generally interested about this topic.
10:57:27 Like.
10:57:27 Do you feel like there was an attempt to kind of depict all.
10:57:33 Attitudes kind of within the the county? Or does this represent really like the just, the perspectives of folks? There.
10:57:41 Say the latter. Okay, in this, in this space. Okay? And I like. And maybe there's a lot of different layers to this. Ontario is great. There's opportunistic. There's strategic
that you know.
10:57:51 But it it is
10:57:53 I think, as we dig into these barriers, I have to recognize that.
10:57:57 There are forces, stronger forces that I think we.
10:58:00 In in the context that we're all dealing with that are
10:58:05 Maybe.
10:58:07 Not fully represented here, or you know it's.
10:58:10 Probably a lot more enthusiasm than resistance in that in the group at the summit, and that might not be the reality of the political framework that we operated.
10:58:20 But can I ask one more clarifying question on that? So the politicization I was curious to this is internal politicization we're talking about in between county departments
as analyzed by? Or is it the community.
10:58:39 Yeah.
10:58:41 Yeah, that was my sense.
10:58:43 Thank you.
10:58:45 So once we finish the Swot analysis, which was much more opinion based, you know, an observation base. We started looking at.
10:58:53 What was actually happening.
10:58:56 And we broke these down into different groups.
10:58:59 And we looked at what's mandated and what was voluntary, and we had a big mix of both.
10:59:12 And so you can look at these lists. But one of the biggest ones is the county comprehensive plan update, including the new resiliency that's not mandated.
10:59:25 Okay, this whole list is mandated. Okay, I thought the mandated ones were supposed to be in bold, so.
10:59:32 No, so this list is all mandated.
10:59:35 Got it.
10:59:36 And then you get further down in their listing. Of all I see, I see.
10:59:42 And so, yeah, there's quite a few mandated ones.
10:59:47 I don't know if you wanna go over these.
10:59:50 But they run out of time. If we do. Yeah, there's a lot of time. I really encourage.
10:59:57 You to take a closer look at them. They are important, and you probably know about most of them, but having a reminder that all of these are happening is is really good.
11:00:08 And then there are quite a few voluntary, and these are all.
11:00:13 Would you go back.
11:00:16 These are all different voluntary ones.
11:00:19 Activities that are happening.
11:00:20 And that.
11:00:22 Is huge. From planning for sea level rise.
11:00:26 To.
11:00:28 Doing
11:00:29 Working with the time of preparedness. Planc.
11:00:34 To heat and smoke respons.
11:00:40 2 quick points. If I could just intervene for a second. What is very specific to that last point about sea level rise right now it's in the voluntary category, and we didn't
see the little rise for East County.
11:00:50 That has some information gaps that we'd like to follow up on if funding permits.
11:00:55 But I did get word that.
11:00:58 Department of ecology is going through a rulemaking process to add requirements.
11:01:03 Or local jurisdictions updating their shoreline master programs. The next to incorporate sea level rise planning.
11:01:09 So.
11:01:10 That one might switch to the mandatory list at some point, and some of those aren't.
11:01:15 Totally.
11:01:17 Broken out right like the the energy efficiency. Ibc codes are mandatory. But see pastors totally voluntary, right? So there's just some.
11:01:25 Like nuance. Still, it needs to get added, and the others just going back on the theme of what Commissioner Dean asked about.
11:01:32 This isn't intended to be the end. All be all in terms of. We collected all this information, and then we vetted it and synthesized it.
11:01:40 Have to go with.
11:01:41 With massive effort.
11:01:42 For accuracy in mind. It was really captured. Conversation.
11:01:46 At this summit, and it was their perspective.
11:01:50 I think, as Apple mentioned before, there's some Qaqc. To do in that respect, but also just taking the information.
11:01:56 As a building block and moving forward like, for example.
11:01:59 Seeing that we have the same consultant, we prepared the information, and, working on our comprehensive plan.
11:02:05 Certainly will take the inventory of ideas here, plus.
11:02:07 Inventory of efforts that have already been conducted, that perhaps were done.
11:02:11 You know, through a different lens like the North Olympic preparedness plan and things like that for the work of the Cac. And other regards or other studies that have conducted.
11:02:21 And.
11:02:22 And look at those as foundational blocks from which we would make our.
11:02:26 Resiliency element of our content. So there is additional work to be done. But it is important not to say that this.
11:02:32 Necessarily reflects.
11:02:34 Actually, what's happening versus what?
11:02:35 What the perceptions of those folks working in the sphere in one or another.
11:02:39 But also I guess I would have to say that sometimes it's difficult to PIN down actually, what's happening, too, because they're a little bit disagreement among.
11:02:46 Scientists among policy makers.
11:02:48 About what we're dealing with, but I guess it's accurate to say that we're dealing with something, no matter how you how you believe it's.
11:02:54 It started, or.
11:02:55 What we could do to mitigate that there still is the actual planning to adapt.
11:02:59 To what's happening in that settings.
11:03:01 Where we can all find some level of agreement. I didn't see the Cwpp in in this list. Okay, great.
11:03:12 Who knows? It's involuntary. Cw isn't required.
11:03:22 I would have you know that mitigation is our shortest section.
11:03:26 Especially the mandated.
11:03:29 Mitigation.
11:03:31 There's not much going on that's mandated in terms of mitigation and.
11:03:36 We are doing meditation activities that are voluntary.
11:03:43 But.
11:03:43 We're doing a lot more in adaptation right now.
11:03:46 And so that is something worth keeping in mind.
11:03:52 Mandated ones are definitely doing some great work, and so are all of the voluntary ones.
11:03:58 And of course it wouldn't be comprehensive. Necessarily, it's not everyone that's at the table.
11:04:03 That's there's probably more to it.
11:04:13 So these are both voluntary and mandatory, or unidentified, so maybe they have a facet.
11:04:18 Mandatory, and then a section that is taken beyond that voluntary or they were not identified clearly.
11:04:34 Now.
11:04:35 A large section. Here is possible future mitigation activities.
11:04:40 And there's some really interesting ones.
11:04:43 That
11:04:44 Might have some.
11:04:48 Might end up being quite useful. So I think this is a great list that got distilled down.
11:04:55 Covering everything from capacity, which we all.
11:04:58 No wonder about it to secret and research and development.
11:05:14 Adaptation.
11:05:16 There are quite a few mandative activities, especially health related and emergency preparedness related.
11:05:24 Tracking infectious diseases is a big one. We're looking at.
11:05:29 Or have a wastewater treatment system.
11:05:32 And press and dance.
11:05:35 The incident management team is.
11:05:39 Discussing climate and working, and quite a bit.
11:05:45 Looking at flip plans.
11:05:47 Continuity of Operations Plan.
11:05:50 Over replace was.
11:05:54 And then there is a lot of voluntary adaptation. How is how is in prep mandated.
11:06:02 How's that? A mandate.
11:06:04 Just curious.
11:06:05 I am not sure. Does anyone.
11:06:09 Okay.
11:06:12 Make you tight to funding.
11:06:14 Statement.
11:06:18 Again they weren't able to be present, so we had some notes from them, and we tried to.
11:06:22 Pause. It.
11:06:24 And their information is appropriate. Spaces.
11:06:29 We would want to get check for accuracy with.
11:06:32 Sure.
11:06:35 Much of the adaptation activity that we have on here is public health related.
11:06:41 We have strong representation of public health. And so this was.
11:06:44 This is clear, and something that we were able to discuss.
11:06:49 And.
11:06:50 A lot of this has.
11:06:52 Made possible by the foundational.
11:06:55 Ones that have been provided.
11:06:58 In both.
11:06:59 Climate and health and emergency, preparedness.
11:07:04 And so that's allowed us to.
11:07:07 Have dinner and pooling spaces.
11:07:11 Extreme weather, sheltering all sorts.
11:07:25 I feel really proud and impressed with all of these.
11:07:29 This voluntary adaptation work for Jefferson.
11:07:36 Do we get a report from a clean air and cooling locations as to the use.
11:07:42 Do we kind of track how they're being used.
11:07:46 The.
11:07:48 Staffing is one of the challenges.
11:07:50 And some of them.
11:07:52 We tend to get our hottest temperatures in Vernon.
11:07:57 The pooling and and cleaner center at the community. Centers are usually staffed by one person. Sometimes that is.
11:08:05 Even a volunteer.
11:08:07 And so.
11:08:08 Asking them.
11:08:12 That's accurate. Numbers.
11:08:13 Can be challenging.
11:08:15 But a lot of the relationship building that specifically has done with the folks running these shelters, even if it is one person and or a volunteer.
11:08:24 That's the essence of where the information can come from is through those strengthened relationships. And we're very.
11:08:31 Appreciative of our connections with both community center to run them down there.
11:08:40 We're also trying to make some connections on the West End to place a couple of air sensors and be sure that we can monitor them.
11:08:47 Clearly to dot the map with more monitoring.
11:08:50 So we get a more accurate picture, and then.
11:08:55 Eventually bring out some of the equipment that we're able to purchase and give to locations.
11:09:01 Where air scrubbers and air conditioners can be used. You know, Ppe can be delivered.
11:09:06 And we have provided.
11:09:09 Portable airplaneers.
11:09:10 Working with dh and air conditioning units, big.
11:09:14 Global air conditioning units hooked up to the windows. So.
11:09:18 Because of that Vernon community center has air cleaning, has air conditioning.
11:09:24 We helped make it, the air conditioning better for the closing community center.
11:09:29 And.
11:09:30 Provided.
11:09:32 And for many of our different.
11:09:35 Locations. We've provided those.
11:09:36 I just feel like it's been in my time as a Commissioner that we've really been talking about these cleaning because of the smoke events we've had, and then the heat we had.
11:09:45 And so it's just would be curious to see if it's catching on, you know, if more people are using it over time.
11:09:51 And one of the things that we don't know is that many of these places are somewhere that's going to be open, and people are going to be going to already.
11:10:00 One of the places we recommend the most is the Jefferson County Library as a newer county building, with relatively with some of the better.
11:10:15 So.
11:10:17 Are people coming there for the books, or for the for it to pull off or.
11:10:24 We're also looking to encourage and sort of mentor.
11:10:28 Community centers, too.
11:10:32 Perhaps.
11:10:34 Tape deem up on some rant they have that are just in time various.
11:10:40 Entities can ask for and then utilize.
11:10:43 To pay Staff to stay for longer open hours into the night, since.
11:10:48 Summer days are long and it's hot very late. We haven't had as many.
11:10:53 Locations. Take DM, up on that. We're trying to figure out a more streamlined way from the finance end to make it.
11:11:00 Like low barrier, because that can be problematic for certain issues that don't have finance folks on on their staff and volunteers. So we're we're trying to work on that sort
of a mentoring concept to help some of the folks out in these centers.
11:11:16 Whatever locations be able to access those Grant funds. Not a lot of.
11:11:21 Then there's a list of possible feature adaptation activities.
11:11:44 Right there. You got it.
11:11:50 And some of these.
11:11:52 Different levels of what it would take to implement. But.
11:11:59 Synthesis of other ideas. A beaver analog dam, like trying to make a beaver like dam. Okay?
11:12:06 And I think one that we already do and continue to do is lead by example.
11:12:13 Not just for our residents here, but.
11:12:16 There's.
11:12:17 Strong momentum here in our county.
11:12:20 To be a model for other counties.
11:12:26 And good dental coverage.
11:12:27 Be joke.
11:12:31 I miss it. Fever, joke.
11:12:38 Building resiliency, remember so cringy jokes.
11:12:44 I'm gonna be resilient at least 4 years.
11:12:48 This is looking at our collaboration opportunities. And this was just a brainstorming session.
11:12:55 On what we thought might help all of these programs. And.
11:13:00 Projects move along.
11:13:02 There's a lot of interest in.
11:13:05 Both coordinating to different levels.
11:13:10 Having someone who's already working within a department help make quarterly meetings.
11:13:16 Have them to possibly having a climate, resilience, or sustainability, position.
11:13:22 Public.
11:13:23 That was a huge. I heard it all over the room in multiple ways.
11:13:29 So that there was a central.
11:13:31 Hub.
11:13:32 Yeah, yeah.
11:13:34 And whether that is as.
11:13:36 Many people spoke of when a climate, resilient office with a director position eventually.
11:13:42 But something moving in that direction.
11:13:45 That would help us.
11:13:47 Pull all together.
11:13:51 Another key thing was.
11:13:54 Grants, Partnership.
11:13:56 Working with the auditor's office.
11:13:58 So that the different departments could team up with the auditor's office.
11:14:02 To help
11:14:04 Apply for and hopefully get some.
11:14:08 Grants funding for many of these different.
11:14:10 Packages.
11:14:14 And then there's a strong interest in having at least quarterly meetings.
11:14:19 To continue to collaborate.
11:14:22 Gonna let oh, and one that there was a lot of interest in was
11:14:28 County gatherings, whether it's barbecues or something else, a little informal, because.
11:14:33 Something that we realised is that with Covid.
11:14:36 And so many new staff.
11:14:38 That.
11:14:39 A lot of folks don't know each other.
11:14:42 And that just knowing.
11:14:44 Each other across departments being able to be like, I have a question about this. I'm gonna reach out.
11:14:50 And know that. Know that you can.
11:14:53 Talk to more of these ones.
11:14:56 But we're not supposed to burn things.
11:15:00 Yeah, yeah, not just because of the burn band. But that's the.
11:15:09 Drill over our biotcharchar flank count. And then you're gonna have salad, doesn't Bill Mckibbon right? I mean, he said, like we have to stop anything.
11:15:25 So we've covered most of the like. The big meat of the.
11:15:30 Well not to be.
11:15:32 And now you got me hungry.
11:15:36 And we only have 15Â min. Just yeah, just a little bit left.
11:15:40 So we did something called a pool. Ev, where.
11:15:44 There was a question put up.
11:15:46 And we were prompted to share something.
11:15:49 And this was.
11:15:51 I'm 1 word about what you most love about Jefferson County. That was pretty great.
11:15:56 Water and community weather really showed up.
11:16:03 People, love housing.
11:16:06 Feels like that's from a different word cloud.
11:16:11 15 house.
11:16:14 So.
11:16:16 Then we looked at what we thought the biggest climate challenge.
11:16:21 Was a Jefferson County.
11:16:24 How do you see climate change affecting a particular department?
11:16:29 And ability to do your work.
11:16:32 That's a key one.
11:16:36 Of the E's and C's to be smaller. I don't know. That's that's messing with my eyes. Yeah.
11:16:42 Is.
11:16:46 Hmm.
11:16:51 I can.
11:16:54 Since when I'm looking at how you see climate change affecting your department and the ability to do your work long term.
11:17:01 And so.
11:17:02 Some of these are more clear than others. One health is a concept.
11:17:07 Human health is tied to.
11:17:10 Agricultural health is tied to a health.
11:17:14 With that spread of.
11:17:15 Diseases, with food security with many things there.
11:17:21 But you can explore this more.
11:17:24 Later.
11:17:25 And let's look at the last word Cloud, and the last.
11:17:29 Page.
11:17:31 So for this word it was.
11:17:33 Please share one attribute of what you envision for a climate. Jefferson County.
11:17:41 Was really great.
11:17:45 Trees, regenerative diversification, funding, local food.
11:17:50 Collaboration.
11:17:51 Resourceful.
11:17:55 I thought it was funny that local and food like that cause it's local and food. We're priorities. But.
11:18:03 Is it, young people? That's 2 different things.
11:18:06 They're different colors. 2 in the bottom left.
11:18:12 And then we looked at what stood out to you today is something the county is doing well on.
11:18:18 And these were all short answers.
11:18:21 And.
11:18:23 There was a lot of.
11:18:25 Folks really happy about having.
11:18:28 Seen everything that's going on in the different departments that's already happened in the climate.
11:18:35 Scones.
11:18:36 Pinky stones, jam and cream were big, and also a lot of curiosity and collaboration. Yeah.
11:18:46 You didn't bring any today. Sorry if you could make one thing happen to support Jefferson County's action on climate change, what that would. What would that be?
11:19:01 And public engagement.
11:19:04 Staff Position.
11:19:06 Continuing to engage.
11:19:09 Committing to collaborating, bring more committing to hiring coordinator.
11:19:19 Increase sustainable forestry. Is there a meaning to the different shades? Is it more people? Okay.
11:19:30 Right.
11:19:31 So that is the.
11:19:34 Summary of the Jefferson County Climate Summit.
11:19:38 If you have any questions, as you look through it later.
11:19:42 Feel free to contact any of us who might be best to answer this.
11:19:46 I'd love to hear from Pinky, and on that, too.
11:19:51 I am prepared because.
11:19:53 I got to know that happening so, but I would say that.
11:19:57 For me the biggest learning was, as was reiterated by others.
11:20:01 The opportunity to get together.
11:20:03 And talk about this. I would imagine that much like this we would have.
11:20:08 Quarterly meetings on various other.
11:20:11 Especially as they are moving forward with the county implementation plan. I think that might be a great strategy. All the departments together.
11:20:29 What I what I really brought back from that is just the overwhelming amount of talent.
11:20:39 That we have the Jefferson County both.
11:20:42 Internally here in the county, and then externally.
11:20:46 The people that work on it. Action Committee.
11:20:49 And others, and just the
11:20:52 The lottery, and I think the enthusiasm that people have.
11:20:57 For carrying this this very inspirational.
11:21:00 To be there, and I would just I would love to have that.
11:21:04 Replicated.
11:21:07 How to keep some momentum from it. I think it's not too small point either.
11:21:14 As many of us in leadership think about workforce development, because we've got to consider that, too.
11:21:20 These sorts of scenarios are ways that help lift up staff so they can speak about things that they have expertise on in a way, that's really across the county.
11:21:30 That helps with longevity and job satisfaction, and even succession planning.
11:21:36 And I think it's super fine.
11:21:38 Can't speak for Josh, and I think that something of this nature, whatever the topic may be about.
11:21:48 While there may not be specific directives from this iteration of the report.
11:21:54 It does.
11:21:56 Really helps substantiate, solidify, why we did it, that it involves us to continue to kind of.
11:22:03 You know, chip away at it, and not just sort of give it lip service and hope to get to it eventually, when.
11:22:10 Such when all the other work is done, and we only have 8Â min because we did with closed session at 1130. But like. I think it would be helpful if we talked about next steps.
And.
11:22:25 I. I would propose that one of those needs to be that we set out a plan for finishing our.
11:22:31 Climate Action Committee goals. I think we're now the only partner that has not submitted.
11:22:38 So.
11:22:40 I know that's kind of dumping a little bit of an external thing, and I'm not saying that's the responsibility of those of you sitting here. But I kind of want to hold us to
a process for advancing this work and having those goals be part of this given. The yeah, we have this great data now coming out of the summit, and.
11:22:56 So.
11:22:59 You know, I think the the I what I really heard loud from this.
11:23:05 Is the desire to continue more coordinated effort? Some.
11:23:10 Given that I don't think a position of coordinator position is realistic.
11:23:16 Anytime soon, in part because we would have housing folks coming to us and saying we've been asking for a housing coordinator for 10 years, and we don't have that yet. And isn't
that a bit of a priority? But I I do wonder if we could identify some sort of coordination?
11:23:30 There's some different names tossed around in here of a green team or
11:23:35 Coordinating Committee.
11:23:37 That's.
11:23:38 You know, I think, is a great idea, but I'm always to.
11:23:43 Ask departments to do more, you know, and.
11:23:46 So.
11:23:47 Curious kind of what if there's any consensus around? What a realistic.
11:23:53 Framework is.
11:23:54 To.
11:23:56 You know, be bringing these issues to the fore. And and you know, really holding all of us, I think more accountable, too. It's just so easy to not have.
11:24:04 This work get completed, my.
11:24:06 You know I'll take on us for.
11:24:08 Climate Action Committee is not being completed like I just haven't.
11:24:12 Push them across the finish line, because there's always other important work to do. I'll just speak briefly about it, and we'll join in. But I think there's consensus among
those of us who are here presenting today.
11:24:24 And I don't know.
11:24:25 How are you?
11:24:28 That at least the most tactical thing we can confirm.
11:24:32 Going forward for now.
11:24:34 Is that we are committed to, and we've only just recently talked about it.
11:24:40 Making sure that a quarterly meetup happens, whatever we call it, or.
11:24:45 Whatever her name is, I don't know.
11:24:48 But we for at least.
11:24:50 For now, and I think Wsu has.
11:24:52 Quite a bit of.
11:24:54 Work in the climate space and and may join in. We just haven't had that discussion yet, but.
11:24:59 Trying to facilitate and schedule and get an agenda together.
11:25:04 Or quarterly meetings for those same folks who came to the summit, and then some who couldn't come or.
11:25:11 Designs for each department.
11:25:14 On into the future is something, for now I think among us.
11:25:18 We can share the burden.
11:25:21 Well enough to at least pull the meeting together on a regular basis.
11:25:27 Any other thoughts on.
11:25:29 And I'm happy to support that, too, and participate in.
11:25:33 Well, and I wonder if it's it's you know, creating a forumal committee? And that would.
11:25:41 I mean, quarterly initially. Yeah. And like, I don't. Would that be helpful if we, you know, asked each department to designate at least one person to attend a quarterly meeting,
a commissioner would serve.
11:25:54 On it. The I could see the the.
11:25:58 Climate committee action goals being one of the tasks of that group.
11:26:06 And the question is always staffing, and I guess apple question for you like, does, would your fphing potentially support staffing committee like that's pretty tied up.
11:26:20 This work, and she's.
11:26:20 Good.
11:26:22 Pretty full plate. She's really made it robust. It's not a lot of money.
11:26:27 It doesn't mean that that funding out at Hs that category. Someday I I just have no.
11:26:37 So I'd be hesitant to offer.
11:26:39 For her time to that. If they could make some sense.
11:26:43 I think.
11:26:44 We we should, we should think about, especially if it's an official committee.
11:26:51 Specifically left. This open ended to see where the board wanted to go. But that's an ask essentially, I think we could put together and come up with a list of things to consider
or options working with with the County Administrators office.
11:27:06 You know, one of those one of the ground rules that we tried to lay for the.
11:27:10 Where the summit was.
11:27:13 You know. Speak your mind.
11:27:15 Feel to freely participate. We don't want you to be relying on just your county department heads or division heads to do all the talking.
11:27:23 And and so we wanted that we wanted to make sure that people understood that you did need. From wherever you are, in the organization. You don't have to be the director to do
so.
11:27:32 May want to see what people were doing, what they were thinking, what they would like to see happening.
11:27:35 But of course, as you saw, there was a recognition that some coordination would be very beneficial. But I think people did also recognize that just appointing like a director
or a coordinator who didn't solve all the problems because.
11:27:46 No one person can do it all. It's really just.
11:27:48 Trying to herd the cats in many ways, and just make sure holding people, making sure you're on.
11:27:53 But also synthesizing things, integrating efforts for efficiency, and so forth.
11:27:57 So I think there's just that finding that right balance. And I totally understand what you're saying like, if we had a climate. So I get that.
11:28:05 Also, though, it's some kind of centralized coordination, just.
11:28:10 Just looking to help with Dcd. Or some other department.
11:28:14 We'd be challenging, I think, just based on the dynamics. So it seems a little central function up for something. There's a certain coordinated capability. I think perhaps in
a Wc. We just have to talk a little bit more about how that would all work out, but in terms of their general role about not being sort of seen as a regulator. Something like that.
11:28:33 Or an education, spirit.
11:28:36 And it could also be a nice tie in. We're just. We're talking about the county agency, but.
11:28:40 Once you start talking about us, then quickly, you're like, well, what about transit? They're kind of like again.
11:28:45 Out of account.
11:28:46 See, it's a minute.
11:28:47 And other partners.
11:28:49 Start. The conversation starts to broaden, I think. Well, position for that conversation.
11:28:54 Although the caves a lot of that role.
11:28:56 But.
11:28:59 It's like we're gonna end up cutting this short. I'm curious if Mark has any input or.
11:29:07 I'm I'm guiding us a little bit in one direction, but happy to be I I think it sounds like good next steps. I mean, I love reading through the report and and agree with the
conclusion. So I think it's yeah. Coordination is what we need. Is it county? I mean good volunteer mark as well. I don't know. I mean, you know, the County Administrators office is
a place, too, that could convene. But I'm curious.
11:29:27 What you think, Matt.
11:29:29 Yeah.
11:29:31 Potentially.
11:29:32 Identify resources for the effort.
11:29:36 But I just like to see something happen.
11:29:40 In the short term. Out of this, just to get the momentum cause. I felt like it was a lot of good energy coming out of.
11:29:46 2 days we spent together, and I don't want it to.
11:29:49 See. See if I'll follow September as our next get, together with the folks that either came to the summit before, or some delegate from.
11:29:59 Each department, and maybe having total representation.
11:30:03 Recently delegates. That's also something more formal would be having a more full representation as opposed to just the.
11:30:10 Folks who are interested.
11:30:13 A bit of a parallel effort, but again going back to the 2025.
11:30:17 I'll get an update and the House Bill 81 requirements.
11:30:21 Does give us something with a timeframe. So some ways that can be a conduit to this energy.
11:30:28 It's a parallel African county agency. But really, we do need the input to make a full.
11:30:32 Inventory and reflection and our resiliency element that we're crafting.
11:30:36 And so.
11:30:38 That could be like. The way we move forward within the next essentially calendar year.
11:30:42 And then hopefully, by that time we'll have.
11:30:45 Answer some other questions, to talk about something.
11:30:50 And, Josh, are you the lead for that element right now?
11:30:53 Yeah, I mean, my department is no. But I mean, is there a staff person? Yeah, associate manager for the climate planning work? But we have. It's a team effort. Yeah. George
is involved. He's the liaison to the community wellness project, for example, that's doing similar work and integrating.
11:31:10 Collecting ideas for us to synthesize. And then Joel Peterson, of course, as the project manager for the 25 update, so.
11:31:17 At least us and then others.
11:31:19 Right? So I see 2 potential next steps.
11:31:23 One is that.
11:31:26 I would suggest. Mark and I work together with some subset of you all to try to.
11:31:31 Draft a
11:31:34 Concept for a coordination committee named to be determined.
11:31:40 What what that.
11:31:41 Would look like, and how you know.
11:31:44 Frequency of meeting how to fund it. All that.
11:31:47 And then
11:31:49 Selfishly. I would love if if we could also.
11:31:53 Kind of create a plan for the finishing the near term climate goals for the Climate Action Committee.
11:32:01 And I wonder.
11:32:03 Ethel, how would you feel about? Maybe Laura and I.
11:32:06 Taking, a.
11:32:07 Bad.
11:32:08 Swipe at that with the some of the work that was collected in the report. And then marks some other work. And you know, just.
11:32:16 Could I? Could I work a little bit with Laura to like, synthesize and pull some of that information in. Okay? And and then it will. It will require other departments. And you
know, if you came in, we're talking about an Ev. Policy, you know, with fleets. And there's other other things that aren't represented here, but
11:32:36 Market. I could work on that stuff, but.
11:32:38 There's a lot that we could cut and paste out of here that is.
11:32:41 Great. Good. Yeah.
11:32:43 Let me! Help.
11:32:45 Do those sound like good.
11:32:47 Great.
11:32:53 Okay, thank you. Mr. Thanks. You guys so much.
11:33:01 Jefferson County. We're working hard to suck more. Your carbon.
11:33:13 We also have a consent agenda, and we don't have to get online for the exact and start a few minutes late. I think we go back to real quick and look at consent. Agenda.
11:33:27 Oh, no, great, you know that opens, come through and.
11:33:32 Yeah, that is one we do need to talk about for just a sec, which is we need to designate a.
11:33:40 Signer, for these settlements, and.
11:33:44 So this question of you know, hunters most involved with them. So you know, he.
11:33:51 He could sign it could continue to come through consent like this, and then we all get to lay eyes on it. Or we could authorize Mark to sign them. Is my, I like them still coming
through here. Okay, so yeah, okay.
11:34:10 Great. Thank you. That was not necessarily decision point, but related to this consent.
11:34:20 Another 1 million and a quarter for the concomy, just to.
11:34:27 But yeah, lots of good stuff on here.
11:34:31 I was grateful for people stepping up and stepping off the advisory boards, because that means that they're stepping off. They.
11:34:37 We're with us for some time doing the work. Yeah, I'm I'm sorry to lose Gary, and and that is an elected elected position. But we appoint. We appoint the interim
11:34:47 Commissioner, but he's done a really great job, so sorry to lose, and if he's got any ideas for.
11:34:52 He does, he does. I haven't. Actually, I've been miss my promised phone call with him. But he he did recommend someone there was. He had an opponent in the last election.
11:35:05 Thanks, Heidi, for the Egyptian Olympic cousin. Trust me up. I was working on that project 10 years ago. Still on, I'd say, item 6 is the, you know, the implementation of the
strategic plan, and I feel like.
11:35:22 Mark and I have been flying them closest to that project, and.
11:35:26 Feel like having Barry done helping us keep that train on the track is gonna be a necessary.
11:35:31 Ingredient, because, you know, we're all spread in 50 million ways. So having some focus is, gonna be good.
11:35:37 Similar to.
11:35:38 We just approved doing that with a wildfire plan. Yep.
11:35:41 Would be nice if the.
11:35:43 Time at work. Maybe could get.
11:35:45 You know it is. It's 1 of the.
11:35:47 Yeah, actions. In the strategic plan.
11:35:53 Alright! Anyone feel moved, I will move a approve, and adopt the consent. Agenda, as presented.
11:36:02 I'll second any further discussion.
11:36:04 And then some finger, please say aye, I'm it is proved.
11:36:10 Alright, a little bit behind. We are going into a closed session with the county administrator and human Resources director.
11:36:17 To discuss that portion of a meeting during which governing body is planning or adopting the strategy or position to be taken by the governing body.
11:36:26 During the course of any collective bargaining, professional negotiations, or grievance, or mediation proceedings, or reviewing the proposals made in the negotiations or proceedings
while in progress.
11:36:37 Exemption as outlined in the open sector 42, 3,140. For this is full parentheses fee.
11:36:45 I think we'll need a full 30Â min, or should we go to noon and then see if we need more time.
11:36:51 Okay.
11:36:51 So we're gonna go in front 1136 until noon.
12:04:47 Seen. We had to kick him out.
12:04:54 Excuse me, closed session, and we are not taking any action, and we are going to recess for lunch, so we'll be back at 1 30.
12:05:02 Great.
13:31:13 I guess we're looking at the no, the
13:31:17 Changing case loads.
13:31:20 I guess we're late. Sorry about that.
13:31:30 All right. We are.
13:31:32 Coming back into session and.
13:31:35 We have our best attorney, James Kobe, with us here to talk about proposed case load standards for image defense attorneys.
13:31:43 I handed it off to Mark or James. I wrote up the agenda request that children suckers suggestion. There's a waffle.
13:31:53 I guess on the 23.rd
13:31:55 Yes, it's gonna be a topic of discussion. And James and.
13:32:00 We're hoping to have a discussion with the Board about.
13:32:04 With the tenor of our comments on a day or 2, like just to come in.
13:32:11 And so
13:32:14 Talk, and I kind of cooperate on trying to estimate the financial impact of.
13:32:19 The new case load standards which are going to be phased in 3 phases.
13:32:24 But they dropped gradually, but the end up, dropping precipitously in the 3rd year to 150 felonies, 47.
13:32:32 And from 300 misdemeanor cases down to like 120. So.
13:32:37 The upshot is.
13:32:39 If.
13:32:40 Each attorney can do fewer cases. What do you need.
13:32:46 The new ones the same that you're paying the old ones.
13:32:50 So wait. Can I ask a clarifying question? You just said they're gonna drop the case load.
13:32:55 Around 150 to 46.
13:33:01 But how many cases do we have a year in Jefferson County?
13:33:04 I think right now it's about 150 pre covid. It was 2 50.
13:33:11 It dropped, and now we're.
13:33:14 Kind of rebounding. Again, the problem is.
13:33:17 Is, we've basically done the equivalent shutdown or outpatient primary care clinics. And we'd love to open the emergency room.
13:33:26 So instead of being able to get a hold of people who are in the system with mental health issues like that, when maybe they're.
13:33:39 Caught with drugs while trespassing, or something like that.
13:33:43 Now.
13:33:44 There's not much we can do for those folks until they get so bad.
13:33:49 That they've committed essentially a violent felony or some kind of more serious property. Right? We're now triaging, instead of being able to take more preventative advantage.
13:34:01 You're saying we're now doing that, or you're saying so. The felonies that we're getting now by and large are more serious in nature than the ones before, so there may be fewer,
but they'd require more hours to work.
13:34:15 And.
13:34:16 And I think the cases are weighted.
13:34:20 They've not so much on the prosecution side because we don't have caseload, but it is.
13:34:25 It.
13:34:26 It tracks in that.
13:34:28 We're dealing with more serious offenses on average. Now.
13:34:32 So that even the drop in felonies.
13:34:35 Hasn't really resulted in a drop of work, because many of those before were.
13:34:41 Simple possessions which were not things, that.
13:34:45 A lot of brain power or time to prosecute.
13:34:48 Essentially did you have? It wasn't drugs. But you're arguing right now against reducing the Caseload right? Because it sounds like you say, each case takes longer as as you
describe it, but.
13:34:59 So I'm just saying that's on the prosecution side of the house, and.
13:35:04 And and that's sort of been an impact. Now, these case load standards were 1st implemented.
13:35:11 I think, in 2010, 20 or 20, and.
13:35:19 It.
13:35:20 They were a pretty novel thing back then, and I remember they this was right at the time I 1st became an attorney.
13:35:28 And I was talking many defense attorneys at the time, who thought.
13:35:31 Even the ones as they're currently set now, were ridiculous and unnecessary, and.
13:35:37 And kept way too low, and these were experience, defense, attorney.
13:35:41 You know. The thing is is that the Bar Association requires that every attorney be competent. What they do, what that means is going to be different for different attorneys.
13:35:51 Seasoned defense. Attorneys with decades under their belt is going to be more competent.
13:35:56 More quickly on, on more serious and complicated cases than a new attorney. They're already, in other words, from taking on cases they can't handle.
13:36:07 Without putting a number to it.
13:36:12 Okay, yeah, that aggravated murder. That's.
13:36:19 And.
13:36:17 I'm sorry.
13:36:21 Okay.
13:36:21 James, you want to talk a little bit about the experience.
13:36:24 Because they cause that kind of goes to what you're talking about, too.
13:36:29 I don't have notes on that, Phil.
13:36:32 So, so I'll just. I'll just talk about it. There's.
13:36:34 Separate experience requirements for certain types of felonies, so.
13:36:38 You have to have a certain level of experience.
13:36:42 In order to be given those cases.
13:36:44 So, if.
13:36:46 If you're.
13:36:47 Right out of law school. You're brand new, even if you were a lawyer doing civil stuff for a long time.
13:36:53 You wouldn't meet those standards.
13:36:55 So that's going to impact the number or the or the.
13:37:00 The difficulty in getting enough.
13:37:02 People to to do this.
13:37:06 So. But then you choose not to process here, I'll get there in a second. So so just to kind of give an example. A a newly minted attorney can take on Mr. Peters and Christmas
demeanors, and I think also see felonies.
13:37:23 But in order to take a b felony, I think you have to have had at least 2 seat felony trials to take on a felon, we would have to have at least 2 BF. Trials.
13:37:32 So.
13:37:33 Right.
13:37:33 It.
13:37:35 And that can take a while getting up there, because the more serious.
13:37:39 The felony.
13:37:42 The more kind of spaced out. Those trials tend to be and so just getting someone with that experience, it can take a while.
13:37:50 And if there's someone who and who's in private practice, they're usually gonna have to find someone else to take them on and be a second chair.
13:37:59 I know. Jc, they do, you know, in house develop their own attorney. So when the trial goes, they'll bring those people on. So they get that experience. But.
13:38:08 What what this is gonna require is gonna.
13:38:11 Pretty well beyond the capacity that Jac. Currently is able to provide.
13:38:17 And but you know, just finding.
13:38:20 Qualified attorneys who want to work in rural communities. So we have.
13:38:26 Issues, finding conflicts.
13:38:29 You have to reach far wide. Yeah, we have a list of 75 attorneys, and most of them, almost all of them, are saying, no, and we get to like the end of the list. We finally find
one that begrudgingly will do it.
13:38:40 But they said, other counties have the same. The tight rope that I have here today.
13:38:44 Is.
13:38:45 To try to express.
13:38:48 The seriousness and the gravity.
13:38:51 Of what is being proposed here.
13:38:54 Without sounding like some little hyperbolic alright. So well. The thing is that one was by my counterpart across the water. This was meant to be an editorial times. They never
publish it.
13:39:10 I liked his metaphor about when your wells, running the rope on the bucket that seemed like a very happy, and then the other one was written by our neighbor to the south, the
head of public. So that way I want at least a little bit of a perspective from both sides for you, and I also included this material here an article from the June.
13:39:34 Bar, news.
13:39:36 Which talked about just.
13:39:37 These are the vacancy rates.
13:39:40 As of.
13:39:42 December of last year, funded.
13:39:46 Vacancy, rate.
13:39:48 So.
13:39:49 When it comes down to, is.
13:39:51 The attorneys that we would need.
13:39:53 Don't exist, they straight don't exist. Okay. When I graduated from law school in 12, I had 300 people in my graduated class.
13:40:02 Because the legal field took a huge hit in a great recession, deserved or not. But the thing is is that a lot of law schools pairs down their enrollment, either intentionally
or because it just got fewer applicants. So now my law school graduates, 200 people a year.
13:40:21 The average age of a member of the Washington State Bar Association is somewhere around, I think, 55 years old. Okay, so they're just south of the average age of Jefferson County.
A lot of them are.
13:40:35 You know, within a decade and a half or so of retirement.
13:40:39 And.
13:40:40 We have a looming crisis here, and.
13:40:45 The concern is is that even if we have a magical pot of cash that's unlimited.
13:40:52 That's not gonna solve the problem I have spoken to.
13:40:56 The.
13:40:57 Prosecuting attorneys at the Benton County and Yakima County.
13:41:01 And they both.
13:41:04 Are currently.
13:41:05 Triaging.
13:41:06 Based on defense attorney availability.
13:41:10 So I liked this article here for the Graphic. I didn't really like the content, because the person that they interviewed the defense says, well, I see no change in the number
of cases being filed. Well, she would, if she's a defense attorney.
13:41:23 What she's not in a position to see is the number of cases being referred. So if a prosecutor's office gets referred 100 cases and files a hundred cases. Okay, we're filing
100% of the cases.
13:41:35 If the referrals go up.
13:41:37 And now we're being referred 1,000 cases. But we're still charging 100 cases. It's gonna look the same to the defense attorneys. They're still getting 100 cases. But now, instead
of charging 100%, we're charging 10. Right? That's the problem. And.
13:41:53 So I know those counties are already in a position where they're not charging cases. Now.
13:41:59 To turn over to what Carolyn just said. It's getting harder to get people to come here.
13:42:06 And the.
13:42:08 State Supreme Court just threw us a massive current fall with a case called.
13:42:15 Right now.
13:42:17 We.
13:42:18 Use remote appearances for defendants in custody, because our jails, located in Port Hadlock.
13:42:25 We'll transport them up here for things.
13:42:28 Like, if there's going to be a test testimonial motion, a trial, a guilty plea, things where they need to be present, things where they need to sign paperwork, but an average
court appearance usually is.
13:42:42 Okay, you're here today. What are we doing next?
13:42:45 I was continuing it for another day setting a trial date. Are we setting a motion date? What do we do? They're basically just setting the next date to do something right.
13:42:54 They're usually pretty quick appearances, not very complicated.
13:42:58 And and those happen remotely.
13:43:01 So.
13:43:03 Luty.
13:43:05 Basically.
13:43:07 I I mean, there's there's debate about it, cause it's a brand new decision. But the the general consensus at the moment is is they need to be. Everyone needs to be in the port.
13:43:17 Okay, so that's gonna play. Place a string on our jail.
13:43:19 With.
13:43:21 Already is short correction. But that's not even the main problem that we have as a.
13:43:26 Affects caseload.
13:43:29 Carolyn's able to get people from Seattle elsewhere to take these cases because they can jump on Zoom.
13:43:35 Well, what do you do when you have an attorney in Seattle who's on Zoom and their defendants sitting right here? They can't communicate right when the defense attorney was on
Zoom and the defendant was on zoom because they were in jail. We can create a breakout room.
13:43:52 And then they can confer with each other.
13:43:54 But if Carolyn's going to be in the position of asking attorneys to take cases in Port Townsend, and oh, by the way, you have to drive up here every day.
13:44:04 Her job's gonna get a hell of a lot.
13:44:06 Right and I. And that's going to really compound the situation here.
13:44:12 And my frustration with these.
13:44:15 Caseload proposals just to kind of back up a little bit. This came from. I believe it was an Aba nationwide study. This is nothing to do with the State of Washington.
13:44:24 Okay.
13:44:27 The Washington State Bar Association's Committee on Public Defense.
13:44:32 So it would be a great idea if we implemented it.
13:44:36 And so.
13:44:36 They recommended it to the State Supreme Court.
13:44:40 In the States of record is the final rulemaking authority on core.
13:44:45 But they have their comment period.
13:44:48 Going on now, just as any other agency there, before they adopt.
13:44:54 And I think it's very imperative that this is visiting all hands on deck.
13:45:00 That we stop this because.
13:45:03 The consequences for this are so obvious.
13:45:06 That it's gonna break the back of the system.
13:45:09 That we're only gonna be able to.
13:45:12 File.
13:45:13 A handful of charges going forward. We're gonna have to triage what we think is going to save.
13:45:20 So, for example, you have ui.
13:45:23 And you have vehicular homicide.
13:45:27 Du is what you do before you kill somebody.
13:45:29 Behavioral homicides which you do after your kids.
13:45:33 We like to prosecute duis because we'd much rather prosecute that than have dead people because we weren't able to prosecute the Dui. So now, when we're severely limited, why
do we do? It's not like we're not gonna prosecute the person who kills someone while they were frog.
13:45:48 In, driving.
13:45:48 So we're gonna have to look at other things. We're gonna have to pair back on.
13:45:54 You know, I know a lot of counties don't charge driving a license in the 3rd degree anymore.
13:46:01 I have made as a policy choice.
13:46:03 To continue to charge that because I use it as a way to give people.
13:46:09 An attorney at no expense, who could help them navigate the system and get their license back? And then, once they do, I dismiss the case.
13:46:17 It's not about punishment. It's about providing a public service to help people get back on the right track.
13:46:25 Those are things that are gonna have to go.
13:46:28 You know.
13:46:30 In a way that we help people there. That's gonna go.
13:46:33 And so.
13:46:34 I. I have to conclude that the forces.
13:46:37 That are.
13:46:39 Pushing, this.
13:46:40 Have the very cynicism, I suspect, of wanting to break the system.
13:46:46 Exactly as great base pointed out in his letter. I can come to no other conclusion.
13:46:53 The legislature is the one who should be controlling this policy. They're the ones who write the laws.
13:47:01 They have not been successful in pushing through.
13:47:04 Rapid and radical changes. So it's going to be circumvented by going through the State Supreme Court who's going to, in my opinion.
13:47:13 Grossly overstep their policy.
13:47:16 Building ability and shutdown as we know it. So now we're only triaging the most serious cases.
13:47:25 So what do you think's gonna happen? Then?
13:47:28 So, and so took my stuff.
13:47:29 And I can't do anything about it because they won't prosecute. How many times is that person gonna take your stuff before you take a baseball bat to them, because you know what
if they can't prosecute that guy, then they can't prosecute me either.
13:47:43 We're gonna come full circle back to vigilantism, and I know.
13:47:49 I could probably have my crack hat on, but.
13:47:52 I'm serious. This is, this is.
13:47:56 I'm not the only one who thinks this. Okay.
13:47:59 And we're going to go right back to where we started before we had a criminal justice system. When we decided, Hey, you know what? Maybe we ought to have a criminal justice
system. People aren't taking the law in their own hands all the time.
13:48:11 We're not going to enter this beautiful world called Liberty, where the criminal justice system just doesn't do anything. No, it's going to go back to the people, and they're
gonna handle it the way they see fit. And the way they see fit has, historically speaking, not always been what we call today for justice.
13:48:28 So, okay, so we have to decide what kind of what, how strong a position to take. Is that what I'm asking the county to do today is I'm asking the county to.
13:48:42 Publish a comment.
13:48:44 To the State Supreme Court.
13:48:46 With respect to this rule, adjustment.
13:48:49 And ask them.
13:48:52 Strongly to not do this.
13:48:55 For any and all reasons that have been stated. It's the cost. Keep in mind.
13:49:00 I don't necessarily like to think of public as an unfunded mandate, because because the right to a defense attorney is constitutional right, that is, that is a vested constitutional
right or the 6th Amendment. So it's not like, it's something that the legislature came up willy-nilly. Hey? Do this? We have to do it? Okay.
13:49:20 But they could pay for it, they should pay for it.
13:49:24 And out of the budget that what? Close to a million dollars they cover 30,000 right? It's negligible. 3% right.
13:49:33 So.
13:49:35 The costs are going to what roughly double mark.
13:49:41 More than double more than double. Because I also think what's gonna happen is.
13:49:45 Is, you're gonna have simply the law of supply and demand.
13:49:49 Once defense attorneys become in such short supply, they're gonna be able to name their price. Who's gonna win and lose that contest? Jefferson County or King right?
13:50:00 That the people with the money are gonna get it, and because they're kept so low.
13:50:04 On their case. Load standards. Once County can show off that money. They're gonna have any room left in their caseload for Jefferson County, Nope.
13:50:13 So.
13:50:13 It's gonna have a disproportionate impact against rural counties.
13:50:19 I think it's gonna severely inhibit my ability to keep the county safe.
13:50:24 And I think it's gonna have a very detrimental impact.
13:50:30 So I I.
13:50:33 I support this, and we should talk about process kind of how we draft that. Who's gonna draft it? And you know we'll have an opportunity to review it again. But you know, I
think, that.
13:50:42 Being kind of politically astute to who this is going to and what are.
13:50:47 Most salient talking points are to the audience, you know, I think, really emphasizing the kind of fair access to justice that you know.
13:50:55 We we, as we struggle more and more to get qualified. You know, it's hard to maintain the quality of the defense that we're providing.
13:51:07 You know the kind of avoiding some of the hot button.
13:51:11 Issues that you see in some of the other letters is is probably makes it a more compelling case. Especially coming from a rural.
13:51:22 Convey the seriousness and the gravity of this without sounding too crazy, right? And like the preventative attempt to to use the system to intervene earlier on, like, I think
those are compelling arguments for.
13:51:36 The justices.
13:51:40 To something, justice.
13:51:43 And it seems like.
13:51:44 If.
13:51:45 The numbers hold.
13:51:46 We have about 150 cases a year, and.
13:51:49 This takes it down to like about a 50 case load.
13:51:53 That would have to be, we'd have to triple our. And I don't necessarily anticipate that number holding, and and I also wanted to just sort of dispel for a moment.
13:52:05 You know the notion of mass incarceration, which I think is probably pushing this. So I I took the liberty to pull some numbers here.
13:52:14 And Washington has the 10, th lowest incarceration Cape in the country. We're tied with Hawaii.
13:52:21 We're slightly above Scotland and Malta for international comparisons. And we have a lower incarceration rate than Australia and New Zealand.
13:52:31 We reformed our sentencing laws 20 years ago, so that we would have a Doc population that was much more focused on the people who were committing violent felonies.
13:52:42 Versus non violent offenders.
13:52:45 That.
13:52:46 Policy change that occurred 20 years ago worked such that approximately.
13:52:51 80% of Doc inmates were there on longer term, serious.
13:52:57 20% shorter term related nonviolent.
13:53:01 Right. We already performed our loss, we already performed, and.
13:53:08 We're now to the point where we're closing large correction center in slated to be closed.
13:53:16 Due to falling demand.
13:53:18 And so.
13:53:20 You know that isn't to say that the way our sentencing laws are perfect and don't need to be tweaked or adjusted over time and and things like that they absolutely do. I have
my own problems with them.
13:53:33 But to say we need to reform them further.
13:53:37 I think is wrong.
13:53:40 And this is really, in my opinion, a backdoor way to do that.
13:53:46 There's 39 counties right?
13:53:48 I'm sure they're gonna hear from a lot of them. I mean, how many.
13:53:52 What percentage is gas. Maybe this is not if you don't want to answer, that's fine. But I mean.
13:53:56 How many be? How many counties are? Gonna support this? What kind of what kind of counties would support it, I mean, is Jack. Support him of this, you know. I'm just wondering,
I think, if we're coming up with the strategy understanding who who we're speaking and counterpoint to is, you know I don't. Wanna I don't wanna speak for for Jack. Yeah, I will just
say in private conversations I've had with defense attorneys.
13:54:20 I think there's a lot of skepticism about this about really the need for this. And really, what is this driving.
13:54:28 I don't.
13:54:31 I don't know a single prosecuting attorney who thinks this is a good idea. So you know, from all counties, and I don't know are they gonna hear from all prosecuting attorney
offices? Probably.
13:54:42 And the thing is, is.
13:54:43 This is also really gonna hurt the way counties and cities work together. Right now they're going to be fiercely battling each other.
13:54:52 For appointed cases.
13:54:55 Which is going to pose a whole other problem that I haven't even begun to.
13:55:02 So are you proposing us a draft comment, or what's your? So at the moment, what I'm asking is the the county take a position to oppose this rule, and agree to send.
13:55:15 A letter.
13:55:17 Or comment.
13:55:19 Against its recommendation.
13:55:22 I plan on sending one independently from my office.
13:55:25 Because I think it would be best.
13:55:28 That that they don't just hear from me. I think that there's just some angry prosecutor who's against us.
13:55:33 I think it's important that they hear from other civil leaders.
13:55:38 Who have.
13:55:39 Work with budgets.
13:55:41 And have broader considerations, who might be a little more neutral on issues of criminal justice than I might be perceived to be.
13:55:49 So.
13:55:50 And I am happy to assist on drafting or working on drafting.
13:55:57 I don't know who the point person would be on that. Who would be mark.
13:56:03 But trying to.
13:56:05 Convey that because it's there are so many problems here, you know. Money's just one.
13:56:12 That. I I think it's important that they hear from as many voices and perspectives as possible. Is there a timeframe for comments? There is. I don't remember off the top my
head when it closes. I think it's October, but it just opened. I don't want to wait.
13:56:31 That doesn't mean we need to get a letter out tomorrow. But I did want to bring this to your attention.
13:56:37 As soon as possible.
13:56:40 Yeah.
13:56:42 I'm happy to do a draft.
13:56:45 For consideration, too. I've been hearing a lot about this. At course.
13:56:49 Right if anyone else is inclined.
13:56:52 So.
13:56:57 I don't know if I'm promising that before.
13:57:04 I can.
13:57:05 Try for next week.
13:57:07 Well, in the next couple of weeks, I mean, I we have time. And let's get it right. You're gonna try for next week. Are you gonna take a shot at drafting this? Or, yeah, okay.
13:57:16 With, some.
13:57:17 Numbers from you. Maybe.
13:57:19 You baby!
13:57:21 Got it right here if you want to see him.
13:57:22 Yeah, okay.
13:57:26 Great Right.
13:57:27 Hmm, thanks, guys. I think over your time. You know I.
13:57:30 I really don't like to be. The person who runs around the sky is falling.
13:57:35 And so I.
13:57:38 You know. I I just hope that you know I've been able to pay this without coming off too ridiculous. I do have a lot of gender firms here.
13:57:47 And I I really try to not bring things to your table and stick it right in front of you unless it's really important. And so I just thank you for your time, and thank you for
listening.
13:58:00 Yeah, it's appropriate in this case. Because.
13:58:04 2027, and beyond are indigent. Program could cost us.
13:58:09 As much as 1.5 million more than it costs today.
13:58:13 So it's a budget. So that's like 8, and that probably the approach we should take is like, not the prosecutors office, but as the budget.
13:58:25 Yeah, yeah. But I do think, too, again, just being.
13:58:28 If we're in a unique position.
13:58:31 To say that we, you know.
13:58:35 Do a lot of diversion here. You know, we we invest heavily in our therapeutic courts, and you know, just like we're not.
13:58:43 You know, a lot of counties will have very similar language that I think will be less compelling to that audience, and I think we could present to? Yeah.
13:58:51 Slightly different view. That would be helpful. What I tell people, especially with respect to therapeutic look. This is my community right.
13:58:59 We're in an isolated place.
13:59:01 These people.
13:59:03 They live here. Most of them aren't going anywhere, and frankly, most of them are in.
13:59:07 The next generation that we.
13:59:09 To be fully functioning members of our community and.
13:59:14 That's what I'm all about.
13:59:16 To the extent.
13:59:17 There's people there, we can turn them around.
13:59:27 That is, hands down. The best moment and the most.
13:59:30 The best part of my work, not sending someone.
13:59:33 To prison for 20 years, but seeing someone who came from nothing.
13:59:37 Nothing.
13:59:38 Living in a tent, maybe surrounded by beer bottles. Coming out. They got a home. They got a job.
13:59:44 You know, they've talked to their kids or their parents. They've spoken to. That's the best part. And that's really what you know. I try to do what I keep.
13:59:55 Yeah, I'd love to see a copy of yours when you.
13:59:59 Okay, thank you. It'd be helpful. Twice in a day.
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14:00:12 Thank you so much.
14:00:14 Thank you. Look at that right on time.
14:00:18 We have workshop utility code. Mono! I think I saw Monty out in the hallway.
14:00:29 At least some months we're ready for him. Yeah, thanks.
14:00:33 And Philip, I'll bring him over. Is he? Gonna stay for this, Philip.
14:00:41 Listen! I'm not in the presentation.
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14:00:43 I had a little had a little input into it. So if you guys need me.
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14:05:06 And we're just using the.
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14:05:28 Yeah.
14:05:30 We're here today to do the first.st
14:05:33 Real workshop on the.
14:05:36 Or have live wastewater system ordinance and Samantha Harper and Project manager will be.
14:05:41 Doing the bulk of the presentation with input from myself and Bob Wheeler.
14:05:46 Recently retired.
14:05:50 Very yeah. So retired, I can tell how retired you are. Yeah.
14:05:57 There's a.
14:05:58 Lot of material to cover and.
14:06:02 I think our intent is to have more than one workshop, so we'll see how far we can get.
14:06:08 Get an hour and a half, or we can keep going if you want, but if we don't make it.
14:06:13 You know everything. We can come back for another one, and our man might be talking about. Do several workshops.
14:06:21 With the Board in this ordinance, and then maybe a special meeting in the Union.
14:06:27 Summarize some of the high points of the ordinance, and then, hearing.
14:06:31 In the fall.
14:06:35 Prosecuting attorneys, probably listening in work on this with us, which is great. It's very.
14:06:43 Detail oriented, which I appreciate.
14:06:48 And
14:06:50 The intent today is to go through.
14:06:52 Section 13. 4 and 13. 5.
14:06:55 Which are 13 or 4, is about connection.
14:07:00 Who is required to connect, and when.
14:07:03 And you know 5 is about the fees that go along with being connected to the sewer. This course is.
14:07:15 I think we love your questions as we go.
14:07:20 And.
14:07:21 That.
14:07:23 I'll turn it over to Samantha.
14:07:26 We're just doing little time. Check heidi and I have to be somewhere at 4. We'd have to have any calendaring yet. So.
14:07:35 We wanna try and wrap this up at 2 30? Would that give us enough time.
14:07:39 3, 33, 30. We'll see how far we get. I think it's better to go through.
14:07:45 Whatever pace.
14:07:47 Feels natural rather than trying to rush to some artificial deadline to, you know, we can always come back and.
14:07:54 Talking about 13 0, 5, if we only get through 13 0, 4, something like that. So but yeah, whenever you guys get your app.
14:08:07 Okay, so we'll just jump in and.
14:08:11 Or Wheeler.
14:08:14 Okay. So we're gonna start with a little bit of background of where we're at now and then this connection stage map which we'll be referring to as we move forward in the presentation
today.
14:08:26 So currently, we are under construction.
14:08:32 The treatment plant, which is in the gray area.
14:08:36 Here, all of this gray area we are under construction, with ici.
14:08:40 And we are installing collection system, and the exciting news about collection is we are.
14:08:47 Wrapping up area one which is Elkins.
14:08:50 Along here, Elkins, Com.
14:08:53 Lopen, Morrissey, Faith Church, and we're moving into Area 2. We are coming soon to Masonic Hall, Mathison Street, and down to wooden boat.
14:09:03 And Kimley Center as of Wednesday. We're gonna start welding for that next area.
14:09:09 For the collection system. So that's really exciting.
14:09:13 News, I'm seeing is doing well tracking with the schedule, and the next part phase 4 stage one, which are all the green properties shown on this map. We are opening bids for
that on Wednesday at 2 o'clock in here, so we'll know it's another big piece of the puzzle. Hopefully, we can use those estimates. We have great estimates now, but kind of refine how
far down that list.
14:09:34 We're gonna be able to get with our funding that we have currently so.
14:09:39 The the map here is very colorful, but it also helps to lay out. We broke the Co. There's about 130.
14:09:49 5 connections on this map here, and we broke them out into smaller bite. Size projects for 2 reasons, one, just their own staffing resources.
14:09:59 And the second one is, we also want to encourage local.
14:10:04 2 bid on our projects. So those are some of the reasons. The green are mostly our high water users, and that's why they were prioritized. First.st
14:10:13 It's important that we get flow to the treatment plants. We have talked to Ici about the schedule and tracking on having sewage come to the treatment plant late. May so
14:10:30 Tomorrow's meeting won't change. Weeks ago we are tracking on that schedule. So it's really important. We get started and we're getting ready to go.
14:10:40 Stage 2 will be our next one that we are bidding, which is the light blue.
14:10:44 And we are hoping to bid at the middle of September of this year of 24. So we're just gonna keep taking them off the list until we have no more money to go. So that's so. The
importance of this map is one just to see kind of the layout of the area, how we're breaking up the projects and why.
14:11:03 And and then how we kind of prioritize, how we're moving forward with connections.
14:11:10 Can I ask a question? Oh, please, sunset Meadows is not connecting right? Because they they have a large onsite. Is that accurate on site septic. We're going through the there's
not really a prioritization on there except for Stage one, but they are lower down because they have a new system now, and we wanted to make sure. We connect everybody who has.
14:11:35 Collection system before we got to sunset, but I know that they're interested, and he seems interested in doing it, even though he has gone to the cost of putting in 70 tank
lead field systems.
14:11:49 I think he's he's seeing that you could keep that property. I'd also mentioned the org type of colors.
14:12:01 Blocks up there. There's a lot of bigger parcels there. They're vacant. So they don't. We're gonna have a size, you know. Set to go
14:12:11 Tap off the main lines. But we're not basically serving them. And so it looks like a lot of area. And it is. But.
14:12:16 Those are areas where there's not units. And I think what's of interest in this whole boundary area.
14:12:21 The only ones so far that are saying we don't want to connect, or those yellows.
14:12:27 Not really.
14:12:28 3 of them.
14:12:30 4, 5, and can be the next number.
14:12:33 21, which is next to that blue one, is the Henry's, and.
14:12:38 They use a lot of water, but they don't have any sewer system, their needs they have to system. So that's in a way this marked but.
14:12:45 And the only other one is that L shaped one.
14:12:49 Opportunity cum road. And that's just a storage unit. They do not have any septic build system right now. So.
14:12:56 Basically, there's 3 properties that have not said, wanna be part. Where's the one over to me? I can't. I don't see yellow. Oh, the L shape. I see it, I see it.
14:13:13 Hardware. The Henry Hardware is that one there? So here's Henry's hardware here, and then they have their nursery there, so they use water a lot, but it only it doesn't go to
super.
14:13:24 Those other 2 big ones are storage Gina storage parcels, as well.
14:13:30 But again, there's going to be side outs for future. But.
14:13:35 Yeah, we're not gonna be putting grinder pumps and electrical controls on baked and parcels. That would be the developers.
14:13:43 Responsibility. When we get there we'll just cover the code. Obviously.
14:13:48 Obviously, of course, the large one up in the upper left is the habit, and they're already.
14:13:55 Working with an engineering firm to lay out their.
14:13:58 Follow their utilities or roads, including the sewer, and we've had some.
14:14:03 But they're not going to be in stage one, because they're not ready.
14:14:07 And so both of the Mobile home parks.
14:14:11 They're a little different color we're doing some additional engineering on those units.
14:14:18 The the
14:14:22 The owner of that is very interested in having us connect so.
14:14:26 Worth assuming that they are gonna come on in, which is about 75 units.
14:14:31 And the owner of this properties, and I've been saying yes and then no, most recently. Yes, if you want to connect. So we're looking at how it might be best to serve.
14:14:42 These 2Â min, and maybe that we're gonna go with a gravity, and these could suit putting these gravity sewers down to a grinder pump system down at one location which would
save money trying to get electricity into each one of the grinder pumps is difficult.
14:14:58 Doable, but difficult and expensive. So that's maybe how we're gonna handle these. Put some gravity down to a grinder. And then just another note stage 3 and 4, the orange properties
and the pink properties we still have more outreach to do in those neighborhoods for the.
14:15:16 Especially for the single family residence to see who wants to connect or not. So.
14:15:21 Those don't do not have a yellow
14:15:25 On them, because we still need to do a little bit more outreach for those. So we just.
14:15:28 Assumed the people we knew would want to connect if they weren't, and then.
14:15:33 I need to ground truth.
14:15:36 With the flow. We're mostly.
14:15:38 I mean, vast majority of flow comes from green parcels. So that's the important part.
14:15:47 To get those connected.
14:15:49 So how does the potential change with the Qfc store and had luck.
14:15:56 Maybe changing ownership.
14:15:58 I've talked to the owner of the property. Ron. Is that? How's that going to affect you any.
14:16:05 Said.
14:16:06 The names.
14:16:08 May stay as Qfc. But you know that money is going to be coming from Cns, and we're still aggression. So he's thinking, I think before. It was a little bit more uncertain because
anytime anybody contacted Qsc.
14:16:23 They wouldn't answer, because they're the fact that this sounds like it's pretty settled at this point in time. It's gonna actually help him get kind of confirmation.
14:16:33 Obviously, that store is gonna be required. So right?
14:16:42 So just this is a.
14:16:46 Copy of our table of contents.
14:16:49 Once you kind of went through this, we're focusing on the area that's highlighted, which is 13 and 13.
14:16:55 And then with 13 0, 5 is the appendix section that actually has the dollar amount to it.
14:17:06 Okay? And then we're gonna go into a little bit more of an overview of how we even got to this point. Our 1st ordinance.
14:17:13 Was knitted together from other agencies. County. There's a little bit from the city of Fort Town. I think we got some of the some codes from shoreline, so we did it together,
our package or and heavy lifting by Bob Dealer and Barbara from the public.
14:17:31 Rescue attorney's office.
14:17:33 Putting together, and then we really made our own by meeting with customers or property owners with nonprofit organizations. We had a lot of coordination with the Pud, especially
the low income program, and how the billing and delinquencies would work. And then also with Ecd and environmental health. There's.
14:17:52 Excuse me, quite a few meetings to go over that with all 3 of those entities, and then a huge support from the prosecuting office.
14:18:03 And so with that, our zoom ordinance has become very unique and very personalized to our area. And again, we're going into 13 0 5. We're gonna talk a little bit more about public
process after what we think to do after this meeting. As we move forward with the presentation rather than now.
14:18:27 So our 1st connection, 13.
14:18:31 We are. Gonna go into our. We have the phase one area up there, and it's on our map to which is up here on our poster board. It's the core area that we are starting with.
14:18:44 And then also with the extension beyond the phase one, we're allowing other funding 4 through L. Ids, which is a local improvement district. We also have Lake comer agreements
for extensions a developer can extend on their own. We do talk about other funding resources. If the county so chooses to pursue more funding.
14:19:08 We talked about capacity and feasibility. So if the plant has the capacity, when you need to connect.
14:19:14 We do have some ordinances for very specific cases for connections outside the urban growth area, and those are collaboration between public health the public Works Director,
and also the Dcd director.
14:19:35 So there's it's it's not really a waiver process. But it's a very specific case that we outline in 13.
14:19:42 I saw that I just.
14:19:43 And then mobile home, part mobile homes are not required to connect by State law. However, within our.
14:19:52 Or area boundary. We do have both of them that are very interested in connecting.
14:19:57 Technically, it's multiple parts required to.
14:20:02 Yes, from our.
14:20:05 The whole park.
14:20:07 Owners and.
14:20:09 And 13, 4 also goes into the application and the permitting process, when somebody would want to come in to connect.
14:20:18 And then we talk about sewer system. We'll go through this next slide. We'll show a diagram of who owns it operates and maintains it, and to kind of go over what a connection
is, and what people could expect on their properties, and with the granting of the ownership and the connection. We are also asking for Eas on properties, their public easement, so
that.
14:20:42 We as a county and we're working with on a.
14:20:48 Operation maintenance agreement that we can go on with these to do maintenance, did I? Did. I read that the even the electrical boxes that they, the owner, has to put in, would
become property of the county or operator.
14:21:02 After the fact.
14:21:04 Am I jumping ahead? Oh, no, it's perfect, that's perfect question. So this is a diagram for residents or a nonresidential.
14:21:12 Yeah, a commercial or multifamily in some respects. So.
14:21:21 There it is!
14:21:27 The lousies.
14:21:28 So the electrical panel is within the structure itself, and that will stay the responsibility of the property owner. And the electrical disconnect is what we had talked about
during the voucher program, so the county would provide the electrical disconnect box the owner would install from their panel to the disconnect.
14:21:50 And then.
14:21:53 They would be able to apply for the voucher program that we have outlined of up to $2,500.
14:22:00 And then this would stay in the ownership of the property owner. We would not be part of the county when I read Number 4 on page 36, and installed by the property owner for
connection to the.
14:22:12 Pahua.
14:22:14 Sewer system shall become the property of the county upon final inspection. So.
14:22:19 Okay.
14:22:21 Which page was, that's number sub number 4 on page 36, page 36. 0, well, it's page 34 of the actual Doc.
14:22:38 Equipment purchase, and install by the property owner for connection to the fuga.
14:22:42 Sewer system identified in the code shall become the property of the county. Upon final inspection, approval of the installation by the director.
14:22:51 So if you look at.
14:22:53 13 4, 1, 10, 0 property owners maintain the fine components.
14:23:01 The electrical panel and the electric service to and including the disconnect box.
14:23:06 And the electric service from the disconnect box to the grinder pump control, so they would own.
14:23:12 Everything on that building and the wire going on over to our control.
14:23:17 Trying to bump control.
14:23:20 But they would own that.
14:23:22 It doesn't, I mean, and then it says that the property owner would hold or would.
14:23:29 It says the stuff listed in 1 10 becomes.
14:23:33 The counties after installation. Oh, just one, right? Okay, thank you. That that explains this. Okay.
14:23:43 But I can tell you, yeah, about yeah, no, I'm no, it's that's pro. I'm glad there was an answer. So the other components of the system here. Are from the disconnect to the grinder
pump panel.
14:24:01 And then this is the grinder pump system.
14:24:04 And there will be a side sewer or.
14:24:10 Service line to a service box here, and this is all still on private property.
14:24:16 And then, after this will be a right. Now, Seton is the contract to install in the collection system they are putting in.
14:24:27 They're putting in the low pressure sewer system here, and then a Val. They're putting in the service line to the property line with the Val.
14:24:36 So the next contract will connect the bell. So that's what you'll see, and all of that from the grinder pump control panel.
14:24:44 The grinder pop itself, and all of this would be operated and maintained by the maintained by the county.
14:24:50 For the building. Drain portion of this.
14:24:53 And the cleanout itself would all be owned by the or maintained by the property owner.
14:25:00 Even though our incentives are.
14:25:02 Made that connection.
14:25:04 Out of the building, sewer over to and put in that piping over to the grinder phone.
14:25:10 And make the connection away from their septic tank.
14:25:14 Envision going up to the left. There.
14:25:17 And then we'll decommission the subject tank itself.
14:25:20 Worried about standards that are.
14:25:25 And Heidi. You'd asked it the last time we met. What are the incentives? And we have some slides.
14:25:32 I think there's gonna be some challenging properties.
14:25:36 Because of location of septic or.
14:25:38 Yeah, I've been looking around my neighborhood.
14:25:42 Each each property.
14:25:44 Is it.
14:25:46 Is a project in and of itself, and that is.
14:25:51 A lot of work for a 3 person team, but.
14:25:56 As Samath mentioned, we have 1st phase going out to bid.
14:26:00 That will tell us a lot.
14:26:02 Costs and things like that.
14:26:04 Values.
14:26:06 I have one more comment on question on 13.
14:26:09 Oh yes!
14:26:12 If you're if you're done.
14:26:16 And I I think I interpreted Table 4. I don't know if you had quite a slide on that.
14:26:22 And it took me a little while to understand, and I'm wondering if maybe the.
14:26:26 Final column on the right should be shaded a little different shade of gray. I didn't read that. I was.
14:26:31 Going over to that final column on the right to see if the connection was required. I believe independent columns could be a little bit of time to figure out. Oh, if this and
this, then this.
14:26:56 That goes from the kitchen area to the Greece interceptor, and then into the Granger pump, which is maintained by the property owner. So other than that the components are very
similar.
14:27:08 Surprising lack of interceptors right now in the community, which is surprising. Given that they're on something can do to septic systems. So.
14:27:19 That's another.
14:27:20 Major piece of work for everyone. As we go through these connections.
14:27:24 I don't know why I expected to grease interceptor to be inside or something get pumped as well, or is that something pull out and dumped.
14:27:42 Yeah.
14:27:43 It's another issue. As funny was saying that we're gonna have to have some further discussions.
14:27:49 And then other fun discussions to our building and grease interceptor hiring the same.
14:27:56 Ideally they would be separate, as the kitchen would come straight to every center and then go out, and then.
14:28:03 The building sewers black water. Directly they are separated they grease is much easier to address, including potentially at our transfer and the grease trap and.
14:28:20 My imagination could run with that one. Yeah.
14:28:24 Pull up that on there, are we? Can we go? I have another question question about table 4. Okay.
14:28:40 There's.
14:28:41 So this one is just simply put that if you would like to develop to urban level zoning within the uga area, you must be in the Ua. And you must connect to sewer.
14:28:52 And then the big parts that we're gonna get into is doing having people do their homework to make sure they know where the existing sewers.
14:29:01 Collection ends the size of the line. I need to install.
14:29:05 And a lot of us will be in Chapter 4. And then our engineer designer, technical manual as we develop that.
14:29:12 What the cost will be, and then, of course, at the sewer, facility is adequate to handle.
14:29:17 Their connection. And then, now we're gonna go to the table for this good one. So.
14:29:31 I get. Oh.
14:29:32 Pronunciation.
14:29:34 So we expect this to take some time to go through line by line.
14:29:41 This is the neat.
14:29:43 Of the ordinance when it comes to connections, and there's no.
14:29:47 Need to rush through this table.
14:29:53 But hopefully summarizes the connection.
14:29:58 Policies!
14:29:59 It's.
14:30:01 For some reason I didn't real see this, but
14:30:05 It looks like.
14:30:07 The columns are well aligned with headings above them. There. It's better in the actual.
14:30:14 Ordinance, but we can work on them.
14:30:17 The formatting of that a little bit better, and I already heard of.
14:30:21 Suggestion to shape the last column, maybe a different color, something like that. But.
14:30:27 The alignment is is a little better in the actual yeah.
14:30:31 Ordinance. But yeah, we need to do some center.
14:30:34 Justification stuff. Here.
14:30:38 But anyway,
14:30:38 So we're gonna start with the definitions of adequate available and nearby that will really help with running through the table here. So adequate is a.
14:30:48 Is about the properties existing system. Is really what the definition is about, that they that the property has an adequate inspection is not billing. Existing flows and proposed
flows result from the building remodel or changes of use do not trigger the need to modify the system, so it's really around what they currently have on site.
14:31:12 So in that case.
14:31:15 If there's an adequate.
14:31:18 Existing single family, residence or duplex.
14:31:21 With adequate onsite sewage system. They're not required to connect.
14:31:25 Correct.
14:31:26 And that's why we wanted to define adequate. Because.
14:31:30 You know, a lot of ordinances would just say flat out, if there's a sewer within 200 feet of your.
14:31:37 Property.
14:31:39 When a sewer comes within 200 feet of your property, you have to connect.
14:31:43 You could have.
14:31:44 Built your house yesterday with the septic system.
14:31:47 Too bad!
14:31:49 Hopefully.
14:31:50 Open, our.
14:31:51 Proposed draft ordinances, trying to.
14:31:57 Recognize that there are single family residences and duplexes that have.
14:32:02 Perfectly perfectly good septic systems. They have no desire to.
14:32:07 To.
14:32:09 Immediately change their use and their property, and increase their density or anything, and that we.
14:32:15 Don't feel it's appropriate to.
14:32:18 People in that situation to connect to. And this is a draft or this, and this is.
14:32:25 And what we're here to talk about with you. But.
14:32:29 That's what this this would say.
14:32:34 Go ahead!
14:32:35 And so further down at the bottom, where we get into non residential properties. It's the Eru.
14:32:41 Once we get above. One eru is when they're required to connect in.
14:32:46 Yeah, okay.
14:32:47 So this is the top couple lines we're talking about here.
14:32:51 That is at.
14:32:55 Current Densities.
14:32:56 Not.
14:32:58 Like there's new developments at a increased density.
14:33:07 Yeah, if you're not doing anything with your property.
14:33:11 And you just want to live like you've always lived in your single family residence.
14:33:16 And sewer goes down the street right in front of your house.
14:33:19 You're not required to connect.
14:33:21 If you wanna.
14:33:23 Take advantage of.
14:33:25 You know.
14:33:26 Urban, zoning.
14:33:28 Take your one acre.
14:33:30 Property, and.
14:33:31 Add 3 more houses to it. No, yeah, you're gonna have to connect. But
14:33:36 Here, just.
14:33:38 Content.
14:33:40 With your septic system, and your septic system is adequate.
14:33:43 You don't want to do anything with your property, you can.
14:33:47 Remain on your septic system.
14:33:49 Until such time as you.
14:33:52 Want to do something.
14:33:54 Every.
14:33:55 Life.
14:33:57 At another house on the property, or.
14:34:00 Anyu, or.
14:34:03 Significant remodel that would trigger a septic system.
14:34:07 Improvement issues to increase the size of your septic system, while at that time you would have to.
14:34:13 You know. Next, you know.
14:34:15 We're trying to get around that issue of.
14:34:18 Just because sewers.
14:34:21 In the street in front of your house doesn't necessarily mean you have to connect.
14:34:25 That was it.
14:34:26 Conscious choice.
14:34:28 To at least start with that as a starting point.
14:34:31 You know.
14:34:32 Down.
14:34:33 Because of the incentives we're offering. It seems like most people want to connect
14:34:39 Aye.
14:34:44 In the early stages, too, especially the folks in the northern area.
14:34:51 A lot we're saying now, we don't want to connect and incentives.
14:34:55 We'll see how far we can give it the incentives here. We don't have the money, we don't think, be able to do incentives throughout the whole area. So.
14:35:04 Anybody up here that would be paying for this on their own, as it's set up right now we get some more Grant funds in the future and that type of thing. But we did hear.
14:35:12 We've heard some people up here saying, Hey, I'm interested in it. I get connected. But that's because the incentive exists.
14:35:18 And that's where we're focused down here. So if they had to pay for it on their own, we probably would not hear as much from the single family homes up here, and originally
we did here.
14:35:28 From a lot of people saying.
14:35:29 I don't want to be part of the sewer system. Don't force this on at this point in time. So that's really what I'm not trying to.
14:35:37 You know, if if it was.
14:35:39 You know, with in 200 feet you had to connect as soon as you started coming in off our existing system all sudden. This would just go the whole thing, and everybody have to
connect, and some places are doing that. But that's not what our intent is to see that happen.
14:35:54 But as it's written right now, then, the ordinance, the phase, 2 area you're talking about.
14:36:01 Is not available currently, but as soon as we start.
14:36:05 Pushing into that phase, then all of that area is available, even if it's available.
14:36:12 Technically from a.
14:36:14 Code standpoint. But again, there's that's why there's this other column that says.
14:36:18 Nearby. Hmm.
14:36:20 So again.
14:36:22 For.
14:36:24 Residential Property.
14:36:26 You're not being required to connect unless the sewer line is.
14:36:32 Adjacent to your property.
14:36:34 Like, if you want to build a new home.
14:36:38 You're not gonna be able to put it on a septic system. You're gonna have to connect to sewer. If there's a sewer line in the street.
14:36:44 Right.
14:36:44 If you're.
14:36:46 Business, the commercial property which it doesn't exist really up in the north area.
14:36:51 You would be required to run the sewer up to 200 feet to get to your property before
14:37:01 Allowance might be made to do that on a on a septic system. But again.
14:37:08 You can't do anything that's considered urban.
14:37:12 Concept.
14:37:14 If if you want to do something Urban is not nearby, you're gonna have to run sewer.
14:37:20 That property.
14:37:21 But.
14:37:23 Again the intent here, I mean, we can go through this line by line and look at each example. They do. But.
14:37:34 We're not requiring existing.
14:37:36 Homes or adequate septic systems to connect unless they want to.
14:37:41 We're not requiring new homes to connect unless the sewer is.
14:37:45 Right there.
14:37:47 And we're not requiring businesses unless they're using over one year of water. But they want to connect. But I mean, we have businesses out there. Many of them use less water
than.
14:38:01 The barbershop uses 300 gallons of water.
14:38:04 Wow about her day. It's so.
14:38:09 Why would they be required to connect.
14:38:12 Didn't want to now, because of the incentives we're offering. We understand there's some interest from.
14:38:18 Property owners like that. But Karen's better than this works right.
14:38:23 So. 1 1 question I've heard from folks is.
14:38:27 Who have larger lots.
14:38:29 That they could potentially be.
14:38:31 Developed into 2 home sites in the future, with one home on them.
14:38:36 Is
14:38:38 Are you? Are we supporting 2.
14:38:41 Putting into.
14:38:43 Stubs. I mean, we can't guess exactly what every property owner wants to do with their property in the future, but.
14:38:52 Okay.
14:38:53 I think you've done.
14:38:54 A lot of that. You can speak to that. So that's a good question.
14:39:00 What one of the reasons besides having.
14:39:03 And calling for locates.
14:39:05 Having the survey or mark where the steps are on the plan. It's just for that when people see them, and they're.
14:39:10 Is they're not written in stone so that they can see where we had it on the plan. And then a lot of not a lot. A fair amount of people have called us, and asked if they can.
14:39:19 Switching gears there and then. Maybe they do have plans. We're happy to put them in now.
14:39:25 It. We want a stub for every property that's available, and if there's 2.
14:39:29 It's just easy to do that now.
14:39:31 It's also possible to hot tap the live.
14:39:36 Just like it is with water.
14:39:39 Or.
14:39:40 Whatever we, in fact, brought in that T the other day show you how that can work so.
14:39:47 There's.
14:39:48 We're trying to put in as many steps as we think, but there's.
14:39:52 Always an opportunity to add stuff later. There's also an opportunity for people to.
14:39:59 Potentially. Serve 2 homes off one grinder phone.
14:40:02 Or a home and an edu or 2 80? That's another question. I thought, Yeah, it it makes
14:40:10 And I get well before we go to that point. And if John or Greg or myself, anybody can help anybody if you see us in the neighborhood.
14:40:19 Always stop us. We're happy to look at anybody's connection and make adjustments.
14:40:27 We can.
14:40:28 Just make sure you move on to your problem.
14:40:32 So we're always happy to do that.
14:40:35 And about if you want. If you're thinking of subdividing, I mean.
14:40:40 I'm using land use terms. And hopefully, I'm using right if you think of subdividing property and you want to use one stuff. But you're gonna sell a portion. It's always good
just to have 2.
14:40:51 If it is for an Edu, it makes sense. You can go into an existing stuff with.
14:40:57 Your single family residence, but.
14:40:59 It kind of depends on what you want to do.
14:41:02 The big queue, but cool. Somebody's interested.
14:41:06 Can I ask kind of about.
14:41:09 I kind of go that at table formatting question, I guess. Have you? Did you consider when I look at this system nearby? It's pretty much all. Yes, in that column.
14:41:19 And a question I hear sometimes is.
14:41:20 Is it possible? Right? And I guess, is it? You know.
14:41:24 Is the connection required? Yes or no. That's 1 column. Do you consider a column is a connection possible, and it would pretty much be just know if it wasn't nearby, I guess.
But is that.
14:41:36 Well, connection is always.
14:41:40 Possible.
14:41:41 But for a cost.
14:41:44 Oh, I mean, can people in the phase 2 area say, I'll I'll pay for the line if you bring it up here.
14:41:52 That's covered in the in the ordinance, I mean.
14:41:55 We're not gonna be running sewer lines in phase. 2.
14:42:00 Funding for that. But there is a property owner developer wanted to extend sewer.
14:42:06 For 3 blocks up into the phase. 2 area.
14:42:10 They can.
14:42:11 And that would be a fair number of requests on that. Would that unlock the urban growth area if the shoe was connected.
14:42:19 Like throughout there.
14:42:21 Technically, it unlocks the zone. We make it available to that area if they connect to the facility plan is, which is what's represented by these different residential areas.
That's on this map.
14:42:45 1, 2.
14:42:48 Alcohol, and I guess residential area 3. And so these are identified. And now the 21 super facility plan and then the core area is the urban zoning is showing the urban zoning,
and then everything outside the core is showing the transitional zoning. That's correct.
14:43:09 So.
14:43:10 I mean.
14:43:12 Josh Peters made a good point the other day. Actually, the entire uga is currently.
14:43:17 Right now today. But there's a.
14:43:20 Transitional rural overlay on top of it, right? Because there's no sewer available, and as sooner.
14:43:28 Becomes available, then.
14:43:29 You know that.
14:43:31 Peels away peels away right so
14:43:36 You know.
14:43:41 It is always possible to run sewer within the urban growth area.
14:43:45 New neighborhoods. If.
14:43:47 Someone has the money to do it.
14:43:50 What this would say is, if someone 5 blocks up the road decides to run sewer to their property, to.
14:43:56 So they can build.
14:43:59 A dozen homes on on a piece of.
14:44:01 2 acre property, or whatever the zoning is. That's great.
14:44:05 Will everyone, those 5 blocks, be required now to hook into sewer? Not according to this ordinance, they could.
14:44:13 They're not forced to, just because up that street, past their house.
14:44:17 If they do decide.
14:44:20 Then they're.
14:44:21 Going to be into some late summer.
14:44:24 Fees to pay back the cost that the developer put in.
14:44:28 You know this, which is how it works everywhere.
14:44:32 You name it.
14:44:33 A.
14:44:34 So that's what's.
14:44:37 Outlined here, so that.
14:44:40 That directly relates to a section in here on page 29, where.
14:44:45 It's.
14:44:46 13, dot, o 4, dot, o, 3 o.
14:44:49 Like sewer system, extension.
14:44:52 One b. An application by a person so.
14:44:56 For the following types of application, the director will provide applicant with an initial assessment of the viability of the application.
14:45:03 For sewer, extension.
14:45:04 An application by a person apply to apply, to connect to the.
14:45:08 Sewer system by providing their own funding for extension of the sewer system and conveyance system in any capacity increases.
14:45:16 And the treatment system or conveyance system necessary as a result of expansion.
14:45:20 This is for areas outside of the phase, one boundary.
14:45:24 Correct.
14:45:25 And so is this, is this.
14:45:27 Typically, I mean, you wouldn't have to read it literally. I mean, if, for example, our current project wasn't going to get every corner of the phase, one area. Then it would
apply someone.
14:45:40 Within phase, one.
14:45:43 We've made it to.
14:45:45 Almost every property within what the sewer facility, plan.
14:45:50 The core area. Not every corner of it, though. We haven't got a.
14:45:55 Wrote.
14:45:56 Which is.
14:45:57 Technically within the.
14:45:58 Or area.
14:45:59 But it was.
14:46:03 It was.
14:46:04 Pretty major effort to get over there for.
14:46:08 At this point.
14:46:10 But I'm sorry, did you? I mean, no, that was yeah.
14:46:13 I just wanted to, maybe give a live example, because this call came in just the other day. So there's a parcel here.
14:46:19 It's pretty big.
14:46:21 Right now. It's rural overlaying, probably one house on that, you know.
14:46:29 Those 2 would just be set. They can build system.
14:46:31 We got a call. I think this parcels for sale, and I think this is a great example of what we might find after we get this up and going, or even people asking. Now.
14:46:41 This person was saying, Hey, could I get? I can extend up this way to 3rd over here to this parcel, get Seward to that particular area. And then I can build a units or whatever
it's going to be with the emergency.
14:46:55 And I think from that person's standpoint it's thinking the cost for me to run that 1,000 feet up here putting grinder pumps is going to be a lot cheaper than living in.
14:47:06 Subject tank Leachville system for one house.
14:47:10 And I only have one house instead of potentially 8 houses. So I think we're gonna see that so sooner to become available to this residential area number one.
14:47:20 But.
14:47:20 It's not necessarily nearby. So all these.
14:47:24 Single family. Residential units are not gonna have that sewer nearby them.
14:47:28 Because it's just gonna extend in this area. The areas right in this area would then be affected by the table.
14:47:35 They both Sam and 4.1 that Sam and been referring to. And then any development that happened along with that line is, including getting late summer agreement if they want to
do anything. But if you're just single family resident, interested in there, you're happy.
14:47:50 You don't have to do anything.
14:47:51 You wanted to expand.
14:47:53 Do more. Then you're gonna have to.
14:47:55 Start, connecting.
14:47:57 So to me. That's a live example of what we're starting to see already.
14:48:03 Another consideration could be, that upon.
14:48:05 You know, sale or transfer title that we require. Hook up, then, so just.
14:48:15 Grab ordinance. We started with something that.
14:48:20 We thought that the situation, but if the Board has.
14:48:24 Other ideas.
14:48:26 Found, How.
14:48:27 That's why we're here, workshop and everything.
14:48:36 Is there an overlay and a layer list from the Gis. This the whole urban growth area. I only find the.
14:48:42 Phase ones, area.
14:48:46 If you go to the county's gis.
14:48:49 Gauge right now.
14:48:51 Urban, zoning the zoning.
14:48:54 You can click on either urban or the transitional rural zone. Urban growth area. Not just phase one.
14:49:03 And we're working with Kevin Hitchcock to kind to show these scenarios. So we're hoping that our next one we can click on the property and have it be urban. Know what it looks
like for everything else. So we're.
14:49:16 For me. It's a very visual to take this table and look to realise in real time. So we are working on that.
14:49:26 He's been great.
14:49:28 We had mentioned him earlier. So thank you, Kevin.
14:49:31 I know. We're talking about going through this line by line. But I'm.
14:49:37 Really interested in general and kind of thinking long term about the consequence of having that patchwork of.
14:49:44 Existing septics.
14:49:46 And sewer and and I don't have a.
14:49:50 Position on this, but, you know, are there advantages.
14:49:54 Well, really, are there disadvantages to having that? So, you know, do you end up with.
14:49:58 Kind of losing sight of where septic systems are. Do you have incompatibility with septic systems? Now, next to.
14:50:05 Denser development, that.
14:50:07 You know there was an assumption that it would be, you know, next to another.
14:50:12 The septic field, or, you know, just a lot more kind of ground to be processing the effluent from a septic system.
14:50:22 You know, just.
14:50:22 Trying to think through our is our goal, to be eliminating as many.
14:50:29 Septic systems as possible in the.
14:50:32 Urban growth area.
14:50:33 And if so, you know, for example, that I was a little surprised by the Edu that require a new edu to hook up to.
14:50:47 Here.
14:50:49 Well, that would say, you know, and that may be.
14:50:52 In case it doesn't actually exist in the real world, Mr. Dean, because I don't know.
14:50:57 I guess we'd have to ask talk more to the Health Department, and I don't know that you could build an existing without it. Triggering a septic system, upgrade.
14:51:06 As soon as you trigger a septic system, upgrade with a.
14:51:10 Remodel.
14:51:12 That expands the number of bedrooms you have. Then.
14:51:17 You are gonna be required to connect to sewer. If it's.
14:51:20 Nearby, which in this case would be adjacent to one of your property lines.
14:51:24 But.
14:51:28 We could.
14:51:29 Certainly.
14:51:31 Modify this ordinance you mentioned the case of at time sale. That's a.
14:51:37 A typical.
14:51:40 Point which many ordinances then require.
14:51:44 It's actually gonna be made if the consumer is nearby.
14:51:52 So grateful. You know these are.
14:51:55 These are good questions.
14:51:59 Yeah, cause we wouldn't.
14:52:01 So could we look at the Edu ones? About halfway down the list. Here. This is the 2.
14:52:08 It's both adequate.
14:52:10 On-site and non-adequate.
14:52:12 Non adequate makes sense that the connection would be required. But.
14:52:16 For a.
14:52:17 New Edu.
14:52:20 So this would be if a residence.
14:52:23 Did, did not, decided not to hook up.
14:52:26 And they decided to build an Edu. They would not be required to connect.
14:52:32 If their septic system is adequate, handles.
14:52:37 Which seems unlikely to me if they overbuilt their septic system.
14:52:45 We can.
14:52:47 And happy spirit.
14:52:55 But we can.
14:52:59 Change, that.
14:53:01 I I don't know just like I.
14:53:02 That's why I'm trying to think through what are the consequences of having patchwork.
14:53:07 Do we want to incentivize that? Is there no.
14:53:11 Downside to that. It's just simply a patchwork, and people will sign on when it is.
14:53:16 You know, economically feasible or advantageous to them.
14:53:22 I, I.
14:53:23 I mean, I guess that's a good summary of what this ordinance, you know. It did.
14:53:30 Sure, if.
14:53:32 It tries to live and let live.
14:53:35 Events people want, but if it's advantageous to the property owner, then.
14:53:40 It requires. The right people make that decision more or less.
14:53:47 Themselves.
14:53:50 Of course, I mean, you know, obviously, yeah.
14:53:54 Again. A change of use that triggers a.
14:53:58 Septic system, upgrade or or.
14:54:01 A desire to.
14:54:02 Do anything that would require.
14:54:05 The Urban Zoning Annual.
14:54:07 Urban. You've got to connect and see what
14:54:11 It is a.
14:54:14 Double signs. There, you want to push.
14:54:18 The sewer.
14:54:20 And and density.
14:54:24 Quickly!
14:54:26 You know. And so yeah, not just a patchwork of systems and sewer, but also development types. And there's some, you know, in the planning world. There's benefits to having,
there be consistency, and you know.
14:54:38 Can provide level of service more easily. You know, there's there's downstream effects of that of having patchwork of densities. But you know it's not unlike what we have.
14:54:48 With existing non conforming land uses. You know we have multifamily.
14:54:56 Me make it work. But we wanna keep try to be more. The hand of God are ones that.
14:55:06 Are not going to get any sense, so the cost is going to be on them.
14:55:10 Of your residential, you know you might have to pay a late commercial put in that line in front of.
14:55:15 So I think because of what we've heard from those residents that workers are at.
14:55:22 A lot not being interested again. I'm gonna say, there are 2 that have said they're interested. But.
14:55:28 I think where we went to is not.
14:55:32 For single family residence. It's requiring them to have to pay undue.
14:55:37 Amount of money to to hook in, because they're putting in.
14:55:41 Something that.
14:55:42 Probably isn't too feasible size of most of those lots.
14:55:50 Today.
14:55:51 And then most likely.
14:55:54 I think we're dying that very few spots up there that could go ahead and.
14:55:59 Do this? Put in an apu.
14:56:02 So it may be.
14:56:09 You know, number of cases that we have.
14:56:14 Pretty minimal in that type of service.
14:56:18 Greg,
14:56:19 Which were other things going back to something you said, you know. 3rd column every.
14:56:25 But.
14:56:26 Yes, if the answer to every single one of those I guess.
14:56:31 That's because.
14:56:33 Biomission by means.
14:56:36 Case. It's the Ops. Right, you know. If it's you're not, you're not required, because it's not nearby.
14:56:45 And you know, maybe we can.
14:56:47 Say that.
14:56:48 In the notes below, or something, but.
14:56:51 This this, in fact, the table? Is it.
14:56:54 Titled where you're required to connect the table where you're not required.
14:56:58 Hmm.
14:57:00 Well, it's not true. It's just that. Essentially. If Su, if if sewer.
14:57:07 The way this is written. If Sewer is not nearby, then you're.
14:57:11 Obviously not required to connect, because.
14:57:15 But I guess what I was getting to with that question, though, is.
14:57:19 Can this table serve the function of all these questions that you guys are Fielding now about, hey? We want? We want the sewer. Can we connect is a different question. And I
mean, maybe deserves to answer that. So you know.
14:57:31 I think Bob just has. But the table does it, and maybe we can talk. No, it does. You guys.
14:57:42 He was.
14:57:44 Be able to help us with this table, and maybe you.
14:57:47 Bringing him on now he's willing to, if he has any comments at this point, just.
14:57:55 I'll I'll try to, may not. I don't want to put him on the spot.
14:58:02 If you were coming in interested in the property within the early growth area.
14:58:07 Maybe more.
14:58:08 Choosing a yes or no, and it leads you into different.
14:58:12 Trees or Decision Trees.
14:58:16 More than just the table. So we have thought about other options as well.
14:58:22 In fact.
14:58:23 Thank you.
14:58:23 Can you guys hear me? Okay.
14:58:25 Yeah. Yes.
14:58:26 So
14:58:29 All these things we're talking about are really important policy considerations.
14:58:35 That you ought to be thinking about, even as going in.
14:58:40 And so, but I.
14:58:42 So for for me. The way to think about it is.
14:58:46 There's.
14:58:47 You have to think about it in terms of phases. Right? This first, st the phase that we're talking about now.
14:58:53 Is getting the sore system up and running in what's called phase one and phase.
14:59:06 And and that phase relates to a phase that's in the financing plan.
14:59:06 That's related to the Comp plan.
14:59:09 And we amended that in 2,021.
14:59:12 But.
14:59:14 The turning off that switch.
14:59:17 Or that layer that Moni was talking about earlier.
14:59:23 Is really important.
14:59:23 And the key is.
14:59:25 Having this.
14:59:26 Having the sewer go into a phase.
14:59:29 That's listed in the in the financing plan.
14:59:34 And so.
14:59:35 We can talk a lot about.
14:59:37 You know.
14:59:39 Those kind of policy decisions that Kate was raising. They're all good decisions.
14:59:43 But you wanna make sure that the sewer goes in.
14:59:47 And so you got to be careful.
14:59:49 And this is what.
14:59:51 This table was partly designed to do was.
14:59:57 Was, make it clear that.
15:00:00 We're gonna have the sewer going in, but it doesn't necessarily mean.
15:00:06 That.
15:00:07 You're going to be able to hook up to it just because it's in that. In that phase, one area.
15:00:13 And so this is partly a bridge.
15:00:15 To make sure the sewer goes in.
15:00:18 And that we're not doing something.
15:00:21 That.
15:00:22 Constitutes a development regulation, that is, that might be subject to appeal.
15:00:27 So let's get this in.
15:00:30 Let's deal with what we can do with turning off that.
15:00:35 That overlay.
15:00:37 That's in place to comply with.
15:00:40 The the Growth Management Board decisions that made us put it there.
15:00:45 And then we're gonna quickly have a follow on. But Dcd is already working on this.
15:00:51 Tweaks, to.
15:00:53 Title, 18.
15:00:56 That are related to this.
15:00:59 And we can make.
15:01:00 Once.
15:01:00 This.
15:01:02 Ordinance gets passed.
15:01:04 Then we can make other changes to this Ord.
15:01:08 Along with the changes that we're looking at.
15:01:11 Or or title. 18, related to the sewer.
15:01:14 And that's coming on real fast that's coming on in the.
15:01:19 And the Comp plan.
15:01:21 Update cycle.
15:01:23 That's going to be going to be start talking about in the fall.
15:01:27 So get this done.
15:01:30 Tweak it.
15:01:31 And and so it's important, I think, to make that point.
15:01:35 That's not to say that we couldn't somehow improve this table.
15:01:39 And we should look at that.
15:01:41 But we want to make sure that we're dealing with 2 separate things as we're putting this ordinance in one.
15:01:48 The effect that it has on turning off that.
15:01:54 Turning off that.
15:01:55 Temporary overlay. That's been there for 15 years.
15:02:00 And 2.
15:02:01 The reality of sewerability, right.
15:02:05 And and and those issues the practical reality of it. We want to be able to address that because.
15:02:11 There might be some properties where it's just not very practical that are in that phase. One area.
15:02:17 To put in to put in the sewer.
15:02:21 That has nothing to do with.
15:02:24 You know? Should we make people.
15:02:27 A hookup when there's a change in ownership which is a could be a policy choice. We make.
15:02:31 As well.
15:02:33 But I think it's important to keep all that in mind.
15:02:37 Does that make sense.
15:02:39 Yeah, I hear you.
15:02:43 And and that's the drum I've been beating for 2 years.
15:02:45 So.
15:02:47 Aye.
15:02:46 That's the drum I've been hearing.
15:02:48 I I so I hope that I'm getting.
15:02:49 But boom, boom.
15:02:50 I hope that I'm getting better at presenting it, because, you know, this is about my 20th time.
15:02:56 Doing it.
15:02:59 Yeah.
15:03:02 Hey? I noticed. There's not a definition for existing development.
15:03:09 Just curious, like.
15:03:11 So under. So we're available the 1st line that's would that be.
15:03:17 Non residential.
15:03:20 Hello!
15:03:24 Are you asking me? Are you asking the.
15:03:27 The.
15:03:26 I don't know. Samantha.
15:03:29 The the real people who are doing the work.
15:03:30 There is a definition of development.
15:03:35 Means any new remodeled or improved structure that requires a new wastewater system, or the expansion of existing wastewater treatment.
15:03:43 Yeah, so that.
15:03:43 Developed.
15:03:44 That definition is there for a different purpose than what we're talking about now? It's just.
15:03:50 It has.
15:03:51 Places and throughout the throughout the whole ordinance.
15:03:55 Where.
15:03:56 That term is used. It's not just for this.
15:04:02 You know certain.
15:04:04 Things.
15:04:05 Are are triggered by that in the arts. I don't have a list of them now.
15:04:09 But it's not just this.
15:04:12 I've just had a hard time understanding the difference between those 1st 2 under sewer available existing development and then existing single family residents or duplex. If
you had an existing single family residence.
15:04:23 Presumably that would be your category development, even though.
15:04:27 Yeah.
15:04:28 So as as used in this ordinance.
15:04:31 The term available right.
15:04:34 Is a term of art.
15:04:35 And it's related to that language in Jcc. 0, 6, 0 4, a.
15:04:41 That's the switch language.
15:04:45 Okay.
15:04:46 And and that word is used in.
15:04:50 In that section in title 18.
15:04:52 So it's specifically.
15:04:55 Related to the switch.
15:04:57 Turning on.
15:04:59 Does turning off.
15:05:01 The over.
15:05:02 Yeah.
15:05:02 It doesn't have.
15:05:03 Anything to do with.
15:05:05 You know how close this, how close the sewer is to your house.
15:05:13 Right.
15:05:13 For these purposes.
15:05:15 So that's so. I'm trying to separate those 2 concepts right?
15:05:19 Is the switch off, which is when you go back to that slide. A few minutes ago about.
15:05:23 This, you know.
15:05:25 Hook up to the sewer. Well, that's more about, you know. Is it available? What does it cost, I mean? Is it.
15:05:31 Nearby. What does it cost.
15:05:32 And so we're trying to kind of.
15:05:37 What we're trying to do here is parse the 2 ideas.
15:05:41 The zoning concept.
15:05:43 And then how close are you? Does it make it feasible?
15:05:46 And.
15:05:47 And there's some things we've been we've been talking about, you know.
15:05:52 Separately among staff about how to kind of improve these issues.
15:05:58 When we do the when we do.
15:06:01 Title 18, as it relates to the sewer.
15:06:05 But I want to make sure my goal.
15:06:08 Talking about this is just to make sure.
15:06:11 We don't do anything that's gonna hold up the whole sewer because we did something that's.
15:06:18 Essentially a development regulation.
15:06:20 Yeah.
15:06:22 So, Commissioner Dean, I see what you're saying. The existing development.
15:06:26 Adequate sewage system, no.
15:06:29 And then we go on and.
15:06:32 Kind of restate that specifically related to residential ads.
15:06:36 Multifamily, we don't for non residential, commercial.
15:06:41 We probably should.
15:06:43 So you probably take off that 1st row and then add a row under non residential.
15:06:50 If you don't have.
15:06:52 Adequate on site, sewage.
15:06:55 So I get what you're saying. There.
15:06:59 Sometimes I'll just have this broad existing development. Yeah, somebody could say they fall under that. Exactly. So I would see just.
15:07:08 I think we.
15:07:11 Actually covered it everywhere, except for under residential.
15:07:15 Same way of saying sort of everything. Commercial.
15:07:19 And so we just need to add a room there and delete that one.
15:07:25 Our er use always per month.
15:07:28 I don't know. I have always per day, but.
15:07:33 Based on the beauty bills. Right? Residential unit is best.
15:07:39 Based on the usage of.
15:07:42 Water in this case per month, and we chose 4,000. Okay.
15:07:48 What a normal or an average possible would use. Okay.
15:07:53 And your bill as a non residential. It could change every month, because maybe one month here below 4,000, you just pay the $80 above, and you pay that.
15:08:05 2.5 cents something else over 4,000. So it's it is.
15:08:09 With the Pv. A monthly type of thing they're looking at, maybe going month and years. But right.
15:08:15 They read it this month, and then the next month, you know.
15:08:22 Is there a way to require? So go back to this point of sale. Idea. Is there a way to
15:08:29 Require the point of sale. But if there's a transfer of title between, you know family or some other transfer.
15:08:37 You know. Just think like.
15:08:39 And if there's an actual sale, then some of the speculative value will be built into that, whereas, you know, if somebody is inheriting or.
15:08:49 Just trying to cut out. How do we minimize the impacts to low-income folks who would have the hardest time with.
15:08:56 The.
15:08:57 Need to.
15:08:59 Hook up at a later date is that.
15:09:03 You know what I mean. Language.
15:09:05 The the language I think we could put in there. It's just.
15:09:08 I'm gonna speak to myself. I guess, off the practical part of making sure it's in the process.
15:09:14 When we know that there is a sale.
15:09:16 That.
15:09:18 You you earlier. You asked these opening questions about good, bad, and help. A lot of this will come down to how we communicate between departments. How good our mapping is
in our as building, and I think.
15:09:32 Anything is possible we have to be able to communicate, because sometimes.
15:09:36 Maybe planning won't be notified when something happens. So how do we make sure we capture those things? And we're not chasing our tail.
15:09:44 Go trying to figure them out later, so I don't think it's.
15:09:47 Not possible. It's just more of. I would just go to the practical side of how we actually get done.
15:09:55 Yeah, I think, Kyle and.
15:09:57 There. Charles Parks has that.
15:10:00 In their code about point of sale. I just don't know how you.
15:10:05 Enforce that essentially, unless you put a notice to title and all the people that are connected, or something that comes up in a tile search, and says must connect the sewer,
Sam, or something like that, or.
15:10:19 Some other process.
15:10:21 Even change of use. I thought I brought up. Unless you're coming in for a tenant, you're doing something very different than the existing nonresidential or commercial use where
you would need to kind of trigger a permit. Just some of those things are just hard to track unless you're dragging by, and you happen to stumble upon it so.
15:10:41 The language.
15:10:43 Putting that in paper, and it's always.
15:10:46 When you actually have to enforce it.
15:10:49 How we actually do that.
15:10:51 Hmm.
15:10:54 And you know, we're not gonna answer all these questions today. Right? Just good to be.
15:10:59 Saying them out loud, and starting to think about different implications.
15:11:05 Seems like there might be a desire to explore. I mean.
15:11:11 What you're saying is.
15:11:12 This.
15:11:13 Issue of.
15:11:14 Patchwork, and just do one a policy that drives more connections essentially quicker, which I can understand. And and a lot of sewerages are written that way. It.
15:11:28 Let me explore that.
15:11:31 And that was the problem with the Belfair. Right was too much, too much choice.
15:11:35 Odd.
15:11:36 I wasn't. There was there was.
15:11:43 It was. Basically, everyone had to connect within 200 feet.
15:11:47 But then the realities of that.
15:11:50 Came home to roost. Once they got their sewer up and running, and they.
15:11:55 Back down from that, and went to the.
15:11:58 Code, that.
15:12:03 Viewer connection, requirements.
15:12:06 Main problem they have in Belfair was.
15:12:09 They borrowed a lot of money to build that sewer. They didn't have enough connections, so.
15:12:15 They had this conundrum of.
15:12:17 You know.
15:12:19 Needing more money to operate sewer at the same time as faced with people wanting to connect to it.
15:12:25 Right
15:12:27 That was a.
15:12:29 Big challenge.
15:12:31 Jefferson County.
15:12:32 Didn't move ahead with the.
15:12:36 That required any borrowing.
15:12:38 To go.
15:12:39 This point.
15:12:41 We have a small loan on this.
15:12:44 Construction project going to be covered by the public infrastructure fund.
15:12:50 For the next 20 years.
15:12:52 This county was.
15:12:53 Led the charge to get that.
15:12:55 Legislation of.
15:12:58 Extended for this.
15:13:00 Very reason, but it's like a 1 point.
15:13:08 Of.
15:13:11 Welfare bar at about 15 million dollars.
15:13:15 On bonds well and.
15:13:20 And anyone from Mason County. I'm just. This is what I remember from that.
15:13:27 They're about 800,000 a year, and they owed it.
15:13:30 And then, yeah, not.
15:13:33 The user base to cover that.
15:13:37 Right off the bat. So.
15:13:40 Pretty complicated.
15:13:43 I mean, I guess I I asked the question, cause I'm.
15:13:45 I'm inclined to tend towards the kind of verbiage you guys have in the chart right now. That is a little bit more permissive. Maybe in these situations, you know the Edu.
15:13:55 With an adequate septic system.
15:13:56 If there are any new AV like what I mean. 3 cases. But it's still.
15:14:02 Creates the perception of.
15:14:04 You know more the Karen from the stick, and working with incentives like I do like that approach.
15:14:08 But I just wanna make sure that we don't penny wise and pound foolish, you know. And in that bit of similar situation where we.
15:14:15 Have to subsidize more than the subsidy we're already talking about, or what have you? Because we have insufficient hookup so.
15:14:23 What about you, Heidi? You're the one who lives there like.
15:14:27 Like? Who knows?
15:14:28 What do you think of.
15:14:31 Patchwork would be like of.
15:14:33 Uses and development types. And like, you know, it's Portlock. It's funky that's like logical areas.
15:14:41 If I'm.
15:14:43 Thinking.
15:14:44 2030, 50 years down the road. There's logical areas for commercial like a long road.
15:14:51 But there's also logical areas to just encourage residential development.
15:14:58 But this is more kind of like. How how much.
15:15:04 How many exemptions do we give to the need to hook up.
15:15:07 Which would result in.
15:15:10 Then, you know, probably a.
15:15:12 That patchwork of.
15:15:15 Large lots, largely undeveloped, still on septic family.
15:15:21 Like.
15:15:23 Do you think that matters.
15:15:24 I don't really.
15:15:26 I don't think.
15:15:29 Some of the large lots.
15:15:33 These lots.
15:15:34 In red.
15:15:35 Well, this is the Mason Street, but these ones.
15:15:38 You know.
15:15:39 I don't think trying to.
15:15:42 Pre-guess. What's going to happen with those in the future should.
15:15:45 Director, or change our.
15:15:47 The path forward with residential development around them.
15:15:51 I think you're and must not be asking the question right?
15:15:55 1 1 thing I would.
15:15:57 Say, I guess that went into our thinking was how the community out there is largely built out already.
15:16:03 I mean. Bob gave the example of this larger lot that is undeveloped, and we've been getting questions about it. Could they.
15:16:11 Big homes may be on it with sewer, and how could they get sewer there? But.
15:16:17 Many, many of the lots already have homes, and they're.
15:16:21 Smaller lots of records. So it's unlikely that we're gonna see massive amounts of.
15:16:27 Redevelopment occurring very out there. If we were talking about a sewer ordinance that was going to apply to.
15:16:40 An area that's largely undeveloped would look a lot different.
15:16:44 It would.
15:16:46 Connect, to sewer.
15:16:50 Septic systems.
15:16:51 No, they're gone.
15:16:54 And and maybe that's.
15:16:56 I guess. Kind of again shaded our.
15:17:00 I'm thinking, as we develop this.
15:17:07 Are you? Are you getting at trying to be more prescriptive at the large vacant lots, or.
15:17:12 It's really like the Edu. She was looking at New Edu's on A, on a residential lot with existing adequate septic. Do we compel them to right.
15:17:35 Amount of septic needed on that property.
15:17:39 Well, that would trigger it regardless. So if you built a house and you had a 4 bedroom septic, build a 2 bedroom house. Could you then put an adu? I mean right now 2 bedrooms,
for you know. Use, though.
15:18:02 Why can't they hook up 3 to 5.
15:18:04 Our base I mean.
15:18:06 And we're saying no to that.
15:18:09 Yeah.
15:18:09 Yeah.
15:18:12 Yeah.
15:18:14 Yeah, I think the question is just how many.
15:18:17 Do do we want to.
15:18:19 To.
15:18:21 Maximize. The connection required the Yeses and the far right column to encourage.
15:18:27 Density.
15:18:30 To encourage.
15:18:31 God.
15:18:32 Some consistency.
15:18:34 You know, development type,
15:18:38 Is it easier than to provide services? You know, knowing that there's.
15:18:43 Like level of service on roads, you know, just there.
15:18:47 There's a number of.
15:18:50 Planning.
15:18:52 Theories that.
15:18:54 Would tend towards. Yes, like. Get as much.
15:18:59 Encourage, infill.
15:19:02 And there's only a few no's on that list.
15:19:06 And I actually, I mean, I really don't have an opinion. I think I think it'd be interesting to talk to Brent or Josh. You know, people have been doing planning for a long time
to see what they're.
15:19:17 Philosophy is. Philip has his hand that he has for a while. Oh, sorry.
15:19:22 None.
15:19:21 Sorry, Philip. I was ignoring you.
15:19:23 Hutton.
15:19:24 No, no, worries I you're having a good discussion. I just I could.
15:19:28 I could wait until you were ready to hear from me.
15:19:32 Bless you!
15:19:32 So
15:19:34 You know.
15:19:35 I was just gonna say that you could. What I was saying earlier would not prevent you from.
15:19:42 Doing the kind of stuff you're talking about. Now.
15:19:44 In this ordinance. If you want to.
15:19:47 But I think.
15:19:49 You. You have to think about the you have to weigh the.
15:19:53 You know the policy versus the economics versus.
15:19:58 You know, are because.
15:19:59 Financing, wise.
15:20:01 Having more people.
15:20:03 Hook up is a good thing, and I think there's going to be a slide coming up.
15:20:07 Maybe we'll get to it today. So I I'd like to get to it. But.
15:20:12 That talks about the financing, and how important hookups and flow is.
15:20:16 You know, to financing.
15:20:18 So I you know.
15:20:22 And that that point is really important to the point that Kate was making. I think as well. You know.
15:20:30 And then, you know, are you gonna how many people are you gonna make? And more likely to.
15:20:35 You know, challenge this.
15:20:36 I don't know.
15:20:38 Not sure you should let that drive you, but.
15:20:40 But then, you know, for future phases, you could also be thinking about.
15:20:47 Maybe you want to have different requirements for future phases.
15:20:50 I think we have a pretty good handle on, and folks from public works can tell me if I'm wrong about this on.
15:20:57 Who we'd expect to hook up in this phase.
15:21:00 Based on lots of discussions that.
15:21:03 That have been had about that.
15:21:06 But you know, if you wanted to go into the you know the next phase.
15:21:11 And that's in that financing plan.
15:21:14 Maybe it's going to take making everybody hook up to make the economics work. I don't know.
15:21:20 So.
15:21:22 You know, but I think those are all good things to think about. We just gotta be careful here about.
15:21:30 What we're doing, just to make sure this goes in.
15:21:33 Is it.
15:21:33 So that that's all I was gonna say.
15:21:35 We add to that? It's an extension.
15:21:38 Was done through a local improvement process.
15:21:43 Either by petition or driven by the county like you wanted this whole neighborhood or something. Then that's a mandatory requirement right there, essentially, through that avenue.
15:21:55 Because if you're paying.
15:21:57 The lid assessment that.
15:22:02 Point is there? If you're not gonna be required to connect as part of that, as like a subset of this whole discussion.
15:22:08 When we start talking about extensions. But that's not the only way.
15:22:14 It could be the county getting them.
15:22:17 Right.
15:22:18 Another brand. It could be a developer extending line.
15:22:26 And these contingencies are discussed.
15:22:28 And handled in this ordinance. It's just.
15:22:30 Again, this cable.
15:22:31 Tell you who has to connect when those lines go by properties who doesn't.
15:22:36 On!
15:22:39 We only have about 10Â min left. Again. We don't have to solve any of this today.
15:22:47 Do you wanna move on to another night I was gonna ask if you wanted to jump in. We are.
15:22:53 A little bit less than halfway, currently. And we're gonna get into what Philip was talking about.
15:23:00 Or do we want to talk about.
15:23:01 We're gonna talk about the next meeting, so that we don't jump in and have to leave it half done.
15:23:08 Guys.
15:23:10 Schedule, another workshop.
15:23:12 2 weeks from now, or whenever everyone's schedule works out to cover 13 0. 5. And what.
15:23:18 Portion, cause I don't think, yeah.
15:23:24 And we don't meet in 2 weeks, so it'd be either one week or 3 weeks, so we could.
15:23:34 So I have a few questions left in 3 0. 4.
15:23:40 It might be easy. I don't know. I went through last night pages so.
15:23:46 So for the, is it okay to go on with those? So 13 0, 4. 0, so we're connection required for connection. How are we gonna.
15:23:56 Deal with that in this current.
15:23:59 Project, of.
15:24:00 These initial phase, one hookups are we all gonna have to.
15:24:04 Do
15:24:06 The permit process, are you? I know you've mentioned it before, but yes, so cause people have been asking me that, too. Yes, what do we have to do as county.
15:24:22 There's money available.
15:24:24 We are doing the connection. So.
15:24:27 We are preparing a packet the big way we are preparing a packet of what the electrical needs are for each property what you can and cannot put down your toilet once you have
the connection. So an onm packet, and then also an application.
15:24:43 What? And then the application for the voucher program. What we're trying to work on for the application is to make sure that it.
15:24:51 I guess I'm gonna speak for myself now, when you, when the property owner fills it out, then it will also be what we submit to the pod to start your account for. So you're not
refilling something out for the purd as well. And we talked about issuing a permit.
15:25:09 That everybody gets and signs that they understand what the conditions are, basically what you should not be putting out in toilet and what you're responsible for, so there
probably won't be individual permits for everybody. It'll be a general type of permit is what we're thinking.
15:25:25 Correct me to do that just so that.
15:25:27 We.
15:25:28 I love this to make us feel more comfortable, that you understand what you can and cannot do with your sewer, and then what you are responsible for. So we envision, it being
a little.
15:25:38 Great reminder when we go and meet with everybody individually.
15:25:43 As well as some sort of package. If you become eligible to connect to our.
15:25:49 Okay.
15:25:50 A sewer permit run through public works, correct, and then we are also. And this is important.
15:25:56 We talk to environmental health when you're septic is decommissioned, we're doing a mass spreadsheet, and we will submit.
15:26:04 The permits that have been decommissioned to help charge off of.
15:26:09 I guess we'll drop off of your.
15:26:13 Yeah, I think you're on them. And then also, another great incentive for this one, because paperwork doesn't get highlighted enough. We also are recording the ease. So we have
an easement will also be in the packet. I miss that part, and we will record it, and the recording fees will be part of this project, as well.
15:26:35 So. So this the phase one, they really.
15:26:39 Paperwork wise and physical, wise, and get a great deal as we do most of it for them. But then it also helps us work the kinks out of what, how we need to continue this as we
go as well. Right? It's like a pilot. Exactly. I hope that does that kind of answer the question.
15:26:55 I was studying afterwards. I was letting you know. I can put this on the calendar for 1 30 on the twenty-second, and you can do paperwork by Thursday or Friday.
15:27:04 But does 1 30 work.
15:27:09 Which ends, I mean, you could actually use the same resubmit, the same. Yeah. Bob's Bob's g1. 0, nice.
15:27:21 Which river.
15:27:23 Outside, of.
15:27:24 My son is perfect.
15:27:26 Nice.
15:27:26 Sorry you're not gonna keep me for that.
15:27:32 Ready for a new question.
15:27:34 So under 13 0, 4 dot, o, 5 0. The exception to sewer connection, requirement.
15:27:41 I looked for under one B.
15:27:46 On page 31.
15:27:48 I looked for a definition of extenuating circumstances. I'm just wondering what we imagine this.
15:27:56 Exemption, or whatever we're calling it.
15:27:59 When when does? When.
15:28:02 Was there something that was imagine like Bob thought.
15:28:04 Oh, I remember once someone's, you know, cat. I don't know whatever.
15:28:10 I think you know, it's typical.
15:28:15 I mean, often I talk about this a lot so.
15:28:20 Something like this is pretty typical.
15:28:22 Ability, ordinances.
15:28:24 I would envision. Someone's on the other side of a canyon.
15:28:28 Creek, or Weatherman.
15:28:30 And.
15:28:32 It just.
15:28:33 Doesn't make sense to go.
15:28:37 Forced them to run sewer all the way over there, for, like a cross jimic, one house or something, just because they happen to be in the sewer area.
15:28:47 That is, that would be an extenuating circumstance. Not I. Don't wanna connect to see where that's not extenuated circumstance, but.
15:28:55 There's a geographical feature.
15:29:01 That.
15:29:03 Accept.
15:29:05 Nonsense. It has to be something that they didn't create themselves. So they didn't.
15:29:10 I think, like you know, and not speak to the city of, but save 4,000 right.
15:29:19 There are people.
15:29:20 On something in Port Townsend.
15:29:23 Here and there.
15:29:24 Pretty, rare.
15:29:27 On the other hand, Borsend isn't allowing Kathy's trails to developing systems, and you have to extend sewer in. There's.
15:29:35 There's a few.
15:29:39 Areas that were just too far, that.
15:29:42 We're allowed to develop.
15:29:44 They're not.
15:29:46 The next person comes in be the one who finally has to run Seward.
15:29:50 This is terrible!
15:29:51 I mean, it's kind of a case by case basis. And that's where.
15:29:57 Some discretion is allowed.
15:30:02 I would say the other circumstances. So in one a so 1,304 0 5 0 1 a.
15:30:12 It's exactly what Monty said.
15:30:17 From experience of granting waivers or not. Actually, consistency is important when you are doing anything.
15:30:23 To do with codes or people's properties.
15:30:28 Spelling out what we would.
15:30:31 Even entertain as an idea of.
15:30:34 Waving a requirement. That's what I would call this process.
15:30:38 Or providing an exemption is really important to document.
15:30:42 And having something that we can point to whether your decision is wrong or right, but having something that you document.
15:30:49 So.
15:30:51 You are correct, Commissioner. I've had other exciting circumstances could be.
15:30:56 A little loose, I could see, adding certain circumstance, you know, and I was just like, Oh, red flag!
15:31:14 Some.
15:31:16 Someone when it just doesn't make sense to.
15:31:22 Hi hi.
15:31:19 Looks like Philip unmuted to give feedback.
15:31:23 I thought you were asking. I thought I heard my name. It's like, Okay.
15:31:27 If if now.
15:31:29 I'll be. I'll be quiet.
15:31:33 And there was full of comments. Oh, thank you. Okay, I can stop with my questions. Alright.
15:31:41 Yeah, that's yeah. Thank you. And I insisted, we put public comment. So
15:31:46 We have an opportunity for the public to weigh in. Again, we are not making any decisions.
15:31:53 This is just.
15:31:54 Early discussions to highlight some of the concepts we're thinking about for the new sewer code.
15:32:01 So if anyone in Zoom would like to provide comment, please raise hands. We'll bring you over.
15:32:06 And there is a caller on the line.
15:32:09 Collar on the line. If you would like to provide any comments, you'll hit Star 9 to raise your hand, and then.
15:32:16 You have to hit Star 6 to unmute.
15:32:20 Good afternoon, Mr.
15:32:23 Oh, good afternoon!
15:32:25 Commissioners Again.
15:32:27 I have 2 questions or comments, I guess, about this.
15:32:30 Nice.
15:32:32 Thorough. Well thought out. Ordinance looks like.
15:32:35 Of course, lots of exception cases to consider.
15:32:38 One of the things in the table of who must and.
15:32:41 Who's going to be required to connect, and who.
15:32:44 Who isn't.
15:32:46 It occurs to me that.
15:32:47 Possibly you could require.
15:32:49 On sale of the property. Also.
15:32:52 Cause. The the point of the sewer is to get rid of the septic systems because they're causing problems over time.
15:32:59 And, of course, financially to hook up as many people as possible.
15:33:02 So if you built in a requirement to hook up.
15:33:06 Assuming that the property is within reach of the sewer system and all those other you know.
15:33:11 Prerequisites.
15:33:12 So if you were to force it to be installed or connected to the sewer on sale, that would add something to the purchase price of the home. Of course.
15:33:20 But it would be a good way to gradually over time. Just get people off of septic.
15:33:27 Without penalizing homeowners who have a functioning septic system.
15:33:31 So suggestion. There.
15:33:34 The other question I have is on this voucher system.
15:33:37 That's being proposed. That strikes me that it might run afoul of the gift of public funds mandate, or.
15:33:47 Omission, requirement, state constitution.
15:33:50 That you can't just give money to people from the county.
15:33:53 And that's kind of what it sounds like.
15:33:56 So I I would ask Mr. Hanser to take a really close look at that aspect of it. That's all. Thanks very much.
15:34:04 Thank you, Mr.
15:34:03 Yeah, I've already. I've already been asked to take a look at that, and.
15:34:08 I'm not worried about it. I'll just say that I'll be given a formal opinion. But I I don't think it's going to be a problem from gift funds, perspective.
15:34:17 Thank you.
15:34:18 Anyone else wish to provide public comment.
15:34:22 The zoom room.
15:34:23 Hit, raise hand or star 9. If you're on the phone.
15:34:27 Alright, hearing none. I think we are gonna wrap up this workshop for today. Oh, yeah. Sorry. I got a suggestion from Staff Dean Wheeler, sanitary sewer.
15:34:39 Oh!
15:34:46 Name it after somebody from Portland. Guy Rudolph.
15:34:55 I was reading back through my notes from planning commission days was all over them.
15:35:03 Proper.
15:35:06 Oh, yeah.
15:35:08 So she's very alive.
15:35:14 Alright. Thank you, and sounds like we will continue where we left off a week from today.
15:35:26 Thanks, Eric.
15:35:25 Hi! Everybody!
15:35:28 Alright, bye.
15:35:29 Thank God!
15:35:31 Alright, so let me
15:35:36 High points, of of.
15:35:39 Briefing and calendaring.
15:35:47 I'm just looking for conflict.
15:35:53 On Monday with you guys, and we had the additional meeting of the healthier task force and went very well. I'll talk more about our trip to Idaho over the weekend, though.
15:36:02 And then on Tuesday the continuing shelter's and everything's going well, fair was there.
15:36:12 Had tourism coordinating committee afternoon, and
15:36:19 You know, everything's getting ready for their marketing push.
15:36:23 On Wednesday I had the Orca meeting in the morning. Nothing particularly notable.
15:36:30 Current bands are starting, as we've seen. And then I went to the A. Atsdr meeting down at the Marine Park Building.
15:36:37 And I think I already gave my analysis. That, you know, is.
15:36:41 Kind of what they were saying, too, and it was. It was a good meeting.
15:36:46 Interesting. How? Yeah, it's basically the sulfur compounds that were the issues. You know, the very that.
15:36:53 Sometimes smell, like.
15:36:53 You know. Rotten eggs or other, you know.
15:36:56 Moldy grass, and different. Usually most of the smells come from sulfur compounds, but it was also not at all tied to.
15:37:06 An admissions test. It was only exposure. So they had 8 8 places. They were studying exposures that were based on complaints that they had received, and then they did that places
with the highest exposures where they did, took their readings basically over 10 weeks in 2,018.
15:37:27 Then I.
15:37:28 We've been.
15:37:30 Work with Ola to keep getting access to some of our Grant funds that are through HUD. They have some very challenging bureaucracies, and we're still trying to.
15:37:39 Get a new sign or assign since
15:37:42 Our Ed left.
15:37:44 So months.
15:37:46 Then, after the Povc meeting.
15:37:48 They're looking for new board members. Give them an update.
15:37:54 I went to the Owdc. Meeting zoom presentations.
15:38:00 Perfect Workforce Development Council Workforce development. I at 1st I thought I was on that board. I'm kind of ex officio. I'm on the Olympic Consortium Board, which is kind
of that 3 county group that.
15:38:15 The Cleo. Yes.
15:38:17 Oh, okay, yeah, lots of acronyms. i i i find myself playing catch up on that, too, with the alphabet soup.
15:38:24 Met with the Housing Fund Board members talk about 5 Year Plan and.
15:38:29 Our numbers. One of the reasons our numbers are pretty bad from the length of stay in the emergency shelter. So people are counted again and again and again. Which is they're
aware of. Josh Peters also sent me something that commerce is starting to look at redefining area medium income. So I'm gonna participate in that process as well.
15:38:50 It's related.
15:38:52 On Friday I went and had coffee with the new only cap housing director. She's been here the last couple of Mondays. She's plans to come every Monday has coffee. That was her.
She has coffee with Maggie every every Monday morning, and then is coming here as as her schedule permit, so I'll introduce you. That's not.
15:39:12 And then we had our. You know we have every 2 week Lt. Meetings. We had a presentation from.
15:39:19 One of the fundies.
15:39:21 The Emerald Towns, Ford.
15:39:24 Surefest. And then we also went over Ltec process, which is.
15:39:29 He was very closely us. I know that you made presentations to their group before I talked to Randy Johnson and.
15:39:35 The big difference is, they give a nice.
15:39:38 Prosecutors office gives a nice eligibility analysis on all the applications that I would say. That's the coolest thing, and they always try to give.
15:39:47 2 rfps per year, so the main one, and then a supplementary one for emergencies. They get about a million a year. Yup.
15:39:55 Then I was on Kpz with Gary talking about the shelter that went very well. We played out to Marie by townsvent.
15:40:05 And then.
15:40:07 When I picked the vehicle that public works generously. Let me use to come back Saturday morning, 6 30 am. To pick everyone up, to drive to the airport.
15:40:15 And then we went to Boise, where we tested
15:40:18 The sprung pool. This Idaho central aquatic facility.
15:40:22 Which is a private facility.
15:40:25 We're gonna meeting tonight to talk about this. And also we went to a fairly new why, at the.
15:40:32 Meridian, and you know there's like 5 cities in the Treasure Valley. I wasn't really familiar with the area and still need to look at the geography a little bit, but it's growing
incredibly fast as we went to the meridian. Different tax base. And I mean, you could just see sub development. So just kind of look. What they look like is cheaply built. Giant houses,
with no yards in little subdivisions, and just.
15:40:55 Thousands of them around when they built that in 2,018 they failed the bond to build the pool. They built the aquatic center, and an elementary school, and a library all in
with different partners, and the Hospital Saint Luke's also partners. So there's a clinic in it.
15:41:09 They failed on the bond to build the pool. Then they they passed it.
15:41:12 They were looking at 5,000.
15:41:16 A 5,000 membership base, 5,000 person membership base. They're up to 15,000 so far with the incredibly quick growing a lot of families, lot of seniors, and a lot of families.
15:41:25 We were there Sunday morning. It was pretty full, he said, super dead, cause it's Sunday morning, and.
15:41:31 Huge, latter-day State Church. Latter Day Saints population says it's just. It's pretty full. Oh, yeah, it was pretty full quiet by their standards. Yes, but they they
15:41:42 They have lots of innovative little programming rooms, lots of additional amenities. They built another weight room after they've done it, too.
15:41:51 They like the central locker room. They're moving more and more are moving to locker rooms that have private changing rooms that are just kind of.
15:42:00 Fluid, for whatever the perception is, cause there's the private Idaho had
15:42:06 You have to use the locker room of the sex that you are assigned upon birth.
15:42:12 They have this, their participants in this thing. They don't let any adults in there when the kids are in the locker rooms, either.
15:42:19 But yeah, the Y.M.C.A. Costs about 5 million to run a year, and they make net revenue about.
15:42:27 Records a million dollars like 750,000 on top of that.
15:42:31 And because of the other amenities, aquatic facilities just cost the most. Every program requires, you know, an instructor who's a lifeguard and an instructor. So it's doubly.
15:42:41 Their minimum wage is the Federal minimum wage. They pay their life cards. It can be 16 to be a lifeguard.
15:42:47 They had a lot of life there at the Idaho one. It's swim at your own risk. No, they have one life that comes out every 20Â min and takes a lap around.
15:42:54 But they're not like very different. But the biggest takeaway is that
15:43:02 Programming guides design, and that, you know, you could see at the Idaho. The central one is done by a private group of.
15:43:09 Families and investors really for competition. So they use the Merthyr pools.
15:43:13 And they're they're lovely. Both of the newer facilities do a lot better than.
15:43:19 Mountain view does on.
15:43:23 Built like clarity, kind of the feel of being in the pool, and also just it doesn't smell at all like chlorine and ease with the with the good, the.
15:43:31 Big ass fans, or the other chloride.
15:43:36 Air handling, you know they they just come and settle over the watermines, and so they gotta get those out of there somewhere.
15:43:43 Sorry I could talk for hours on it, but it was a good trip. Everything went successful.
15:43:47 And got back Sunday night.
15:43:50 Jumped into packets here with you today. After this I go start the Northwood meeting, where we're gonna interview a few.
15:43:59 Potential employees for the newly listed positions that the visitor information centers. Then we'll have the.
15:44:05 8 healthier together. Taskforce meeting. Tonight we have a rep from Martha Pools giving a presentation and also.
15:44:12 One of the folks from the central facility that we just visited giving a a talk.
15:44:18 Tomorrow. I have Ddc. Finance Committee meeting Jefferson Board meeting with a public hearing, and then our 1st will. Scene Brennan Empowered Teams Coalition meeting with our
new director down there, Mackenzie. I met her at one of
15:44:33 Can't remember what event advisory committee last week. Okay, great. But there was something you and I were at down at Wilson. I met her at.
15:44:43 Wednesday, I'll actually be at my 1st budget meeting for quite some time I've been looking forward to that, and I will have lunch with John Morrow, and then we have an Executive
Board meeting of Nodc.
15:44:56 Thursday I had the Board of Health meeting with you folks.
15:45:00 Then I have an only cat meeting in the evening. I think after that I'll be able.
15:45:04 Announced the the name of our new Ed, but they have accepted the position and are starting August first.st
15:45:11 Right.
15:45:13 Then on Friday I have the Olympic Consortium board, or is it called Cleo and then I guess I'm going on kpt again. I think you guys both have conflicts. That's okay. And then
after that, I'm planning to go backpacking with friend, and we'll be gone.
15:45:34 Till Saturday night.
15:45:35 That's my week.
15:45:36 At a very high level.
15:45:37 Okay.
15:45:39 Last week.
15:45:42 Let's see. Tuesday I had coffee with Chief Black.
15:45:45 In the morning, and.
15:45:46 Just kind of reviewing.
15:45:49 Easy into the wildfire season here, and
15:45:53 He's grateful for the good collaborative partnership between.
15:45:58 The county in East Jefferson wanted to convey that to all about the separate.
15:46:02 I went to the retired public employees picnic at Hj. Carroll Park. I was invited by a retired public employee, and that was fun.
15:46:12 To see.
15:46:14 Public employees relaxing because you're the old Commissioner.
15:46:18 Yeah, right? I'm the closest to retirement. Anyway, that was fun. A nice group. And then in the afternoon we had the Behavioral Health Advisory Committee meeting.
15:46:27 Always good attendance at those.
15:46:30 Talking about.
15:46:31 Debriefing the
15:46:34 Opioid summits, and then talking about kind of planning for future.
15:46:38 Opioid Funding granting out, and we formed a subcommittee.
15:46:44 For granting opioid funds, and it's.
15:46:48 Patrick.
15:46:50 From Nammy. Yeah, and David Fortino and me.
15:46:52 Oh, that's fair. So it's a good mix, I think.
15:46:57 Let's see.
15:47:00 Wednesday. I spent much of the day in the Dnr Carbon forest management work group.
15:47:08 After attending the short.
15:47:09 Just briefly, the short farm.
15:47:13 Work group presentation to the Port Commission in the morning. That was.
15:47:17 Good. I mean, I feel like what I heard there is. There's just a lot of work ahead. The work group identified a lot of work ahead. So.
15:47:25 But they have some ideas for how to.
15:47:28 Get. Get that train on the track.
15:47:33 And you know, one thing that came out of that is just that I realized, you know, that the port kind of designed this process with the Wsu.
15:47:41 Team kind of start Ww. Master's group.
15:47:45 Planning group, facilitating the work group.
15:47:48 But I love Martin Mills. He showed up, and he's like.
15:47:51 But who's going to know where all the water, the water, you know, lines run and what's gonna happen when winter comes, and it kind of made. It made the work realize they really
had 2 missions planned for the future, and also plan for the near future of Roger and Sandy not being on the farm and making sure the point at port has coverage there, so.
15:48:12 After the Dnr meeting I went to the 24th Legislative District Forum with all 5 candidates. That was good and interesting cause. I had only met 2 of them so.
15:48:26 And then I attended the Grange meeting in advance of.
15:48:31 In advance of which I get to Sunday.
15:48:34 And then on Thursday there was the Peninsula's Jefferson Land Trust.
15:48:38 Kind of.
15:48:41 Coffee clash at Fen River, and it was a great presentation by Dcv. On how.
15:48:48 Active transportation can be part of the Comp plan periodic review.
15:48:53 And how stakeholder groups like Peninsula coalition can get involved in advocating for.
15:49:00 Trails as part of the process, and I was George and Joel, and they did a great job.
15:49:07 And then in a nutshell, how can they advocate like come to planning? Well, I mean, they they just out yeah planning commission. And they just outline kind of where, where, in
the plan, there's element, different elements of the plan.
15:49:21 Where active transportation can be included.
15:49:24 And so just to review those elements. And then they did. George and Joel did a really great job of pulling out the existing language that's in the plan, and saying, Start with
this. And how can we refine this to make it more welcoming to regional trails.
15:49:42 Then Mark and I had our meeting with Mallory and Katrina, and they reviewed their strategic plan. And they'll be coming, I think. Is it? Next week.
15:49:51 To our BCC. Meeting Mallory and Katrina to present the Jefferson County Sustainable Forestry Strategic Plan.
15:50:01 Did we already do that? We already did that. Okay? Sorry.
15:50:05 Yeah.
15:50:06 Okay, so.
15:50:08 I guess we just talked about next steps. There.
15:50:12 Okay. Good. Point.
15:50:13 Friday morning.
15:50:16 I had. We had our 1st round of trust land transfer proposals to review as our workgroup.
15:50:24 And.
15:50:26 Did I already mention this to you guys? Somehow.
15:50:29 There it was!
15:50:30 It was really interesting, because there was a huge proposal that we had 3. Nope, I haven't mentioned it.
15:50:38 We have 3 entities up.
15:50:41 Present their projects, and 2 of them were, you know.
15:50:45 Manageable couple 100 acres, 100 acres.
15:50:49 But one was like a 10,000 acre, a 900 acre project, and 3.
15:50:55 Components.
15:50:56 And we have 30 million dollars to grant out. The legislature has 30 million dollars to grant out in the capital budget, and then explain the infrastructure and transfer.
15:51:04 And so we're all just like took all the the zoom room. It was like.
15:51:10 Wow! That's a lot. And I'm like, Can't Commissioner friends, or can't the Commissioner public lands come up with another way to.
15:51:17 Deal with the Yakima nations wanting their lands back.
15:51:20 You know, it feels like a bigger issue than a trustline transfer proposal. But they're they're just.
15:51:25 Taking every opportunity they can they can find to make their
15:51:29 Desires, known.
15:51:31 And then the afternoon we had our encumbered Lands Work group meeting
15:51:37 Which.
15:51:39 If you'll remember.
15:51:41 And the 2022 legislative session.
15:51:43 Kevin Van Band.
15:51:46 Inserted a proviso that granted.
15:51:48 5 million dollars to Jefferson and Clown, and 5 million dollars to specifician wagon counties.
15:51:55 For.
15:51:57 A setting. Impacts from encumbered lands.
15:52:00 Encumbered by federally, listed out in marblets.
15:52:04 Dnr. Has since gone and done an analysis of how many acres there are of lands in each of those counties.
15:52:11 And under their most.
15:52:13 Conservative analysis. Jefferson has.
15:52:17 73 acres and Clown has thousands. And so we're you know. I'm I said. Maybe this is my last meeting, you know, and they're like. No, no, cause, you know I've been hell. I've
been helping kind of.
15:52:29 Shape the meetings and.
15:52:32 So
15:52:35 Dwayne's from Dnr. And Paul Jewell have a proposal. And so we're we're holding. We're holding the troop together and moving forward to the next meeting. But.
15:52:43 I may not have to go to those meetings much longer, because I don't think we're gonna get very much of that 5 million dollars.
15:52:51 So.
15:52:52 That was last week, and then Sunday.
15:52:55 We made a thousand pancakes at Interdependence Day at the Gym Grange.
15:53:01 And about 300 people came through, so that was great.
15:53:04 Okay.
15:53:06 Here with you today, leaving soon to go join Brent for a bicycle tour of the.
15:53:12 Phase, one sewer area, and to look at workforce and affordable housing and.
15:53:18 Talk about the history of we're luck.
15:53:24 Tomorrow morning I have a community foundation call at lunch. I'm reviewing trust land transfer application.
15:53:33 Our applications with Mallory, who's presenting them on Thursday to the workgroup.
15:53:37 We have a Jta Board special meeting.
15:53:42 Yep.
15:53:45 And I may attend the production alliances. Event at the Palindrome.
15:53:50 For a little bit at 5.
15:53:52 Budget meeting on Wednesday morning.
15:53:55 Port hack I went, I would hope to be at the ports, or a bit opening. Love those.
15:54:00 I am going to miss the chimichum powered teams coalition this month.
15:54:08 I'm gonna go to the Perk meeting on Thursday.
15:54:11 Morning.
15:54:12 And then try.
15:54:14 Thursday afternoon. We're reviewing.
15:54:15 Like, I said. The next round of larger batch of transfer.
15:54:20 Proposals, and I will be missing the Board of Health because of that.
15:54:26 And then.
15:54:26 That's it for the week.
15:54:29 Then I'm roofing.
15:54:31 2 sheds. This weekend.
15:54:33 To hear about the land out on the West End. Everybody's already up in arms that's gonna kill all the mills like. No, they actually practice.
15:54:49 I know.
15:54:50 Yeah. Big news.
15:54:51 I was wondering if that I was waiting for that to be the news. Yeah, and they're very trail friendly. They actually reached out to the trail Coalition.
15:55:03 I'm sorry I have to go in a minute.
15:55:09 Any conflicts. No, Mark, I'll need to connect with you on a few fairgrounds. Things. Just for your awareness.
15:55:19 Henderson Kilmar will be here on Wednesday to look at Brown, and for the funding proposal, congressionally directed. He's advancing so.
15:55:30 Is it Viola or Viola? Viola and I will meet tomorrow, and then she'll join us for that tour. But
15:55:38 Otherwise no conflicts, and I don't think anything too pertinent that Mark and I won't be.
15:55:43 Handling, and I'm sorry I have to run. Can I hand off to one of you schedule? If I have a 4 o'clock.
15:55:53 Time sensitive we can adjourn with when we're ready. We got you. We got this, thanks.
15:56:01 Okay, my last last week and board meeting.
15:56:07 Teamsters, central services, negotiations on Tuesday meeting at 2, and we have some area.
15:56:14 Recurring meetings of the years.
15:56:18 The 10.th
15:56:19 Had a meeting to talk about Tracy Coleman's employment status.
15:56:25 Does that mean.
15:56:26 Well, she she was.
15:56:28 Complaining.
15:56:29 I think she was given by someone regarding her.
15:56:34 Last paycheck. Okay? And.
15:56:36 So they met with.
15:56:38 The auditor was.
15:56:41 Hr. Director and the Finance Manager.
15:56:44 And.
15:56:45 We talked about it, and I drafted an email to her.
15:56:51 Given her our total bird on the subject, that.
15:56:55 We, we have ways of doing things that we.
15:56:59 We've used those methods for a long time. Your employment contracts.
15:57:04 And so and hopefully that.
15:57:07 Ends the discussion about her kitchen.
15:57:11 And then following that my monthly meeting with Shepherd.
15:57:15 And then the meeting was for Cutler.
15:57:17 And then zoom call within North Olympic Peninsula City manager, county administrator, catch up networking.
15:57:27 The 11th CEO breakfast was in Brooks.
15:57:32 The meeting with.
15:57:34 Jim Mitchell and.
15:57:37 Veronica Shawn. I talk about.
15:57:42 Dpl intergo.
15:57:44 The cost of the the program and invoices, and how to allocate the cost of it.
15:57:50 That software. And so more work associated with that topic coming up.
15:57:55 Then the forestry meeting that Heidi mentioned Gender Review. Kate.
15:58:02 This week, and.
15:58:04 Course today, all day in this room.
15:58:09 The risk pool has, and an appraiser on site tomorrow. Looking about.
15:58:13 30 of our facilities or appraisal purposes.
15:58:18 And that those appraisals will figure into our next properties. Assessment for insurance.
15:58:24 Senior management meeting at 9, 18 meetings at 2.
15:58:30 Then Budget committee meetings on Wednesday.
15:58:34 Meeting with Judy Shepard and 2 CD. Staff to talk about their budget.
15:58:42 Matter on Thursday.
15:58:46 Biweekly meeting with my T for T.
15:58:53 Washington County Administrators Association, called.
15:58:57 And agenda review.
15:58:59 And so that.
15:59:04 Chair.
15:59:08 So if there's nothing else.
15:59:11 We want to decide some big, juicy thing. What, gates? What do you wanna bring up? Just one thing. And, Mark, I didn't run it by you real first.st there is a upcoming Clerk Conference
in when natashi this fall in October.
15:59:25 And like, like we did a couple of years ago, I wanted to shut down the office.
15:59:30 That Thursday, and then Friday, that day for.
15:59:33 Us to attend Academy class with.
15:59:35 So just wanted to put that in your ear on. Let us know when we need to answer the phones.
15:59:42 Yeah, we did this a couple years ago. It's a good team building experience last time it was 11 more, because Simon but
15:59:49 Anyways.
15:59:51 Request, nice.
15:59:55 That's so. If there's nothing else, I'll adjourn this.
15:59:58 July 15, th meeting on the Jefferson County Board of Commissioners.
16:00:03 Alright! Rush off to get on my bicycle.
11:08:39 From Chambers to Hosts and panelists:
HR Director Sarah will be in-person for the Closed Session, so disregard the zoom link Adiel provided earlier.
11:13:10 From Kate Dean, Jefferson County Commissioner to Chambers(Direct Message):
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14:00:14 From Philip Hunsucker-Chief Civil DPA (he/his) to Chambers(Direct Message):
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14:54:10 From Chambers to Hosts and panelists:
I'm going to grab my water bottle. Kate has co-host controls if needed
15:27:49 From Chambers to Hosts and panelists:
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